Tadream Frequently Asked Questions Last Changes Sat, July 1 , 1995 This is a file containing answers to questions that have been asked on the Tangerine Dream mailing list (tadream@cs.uwp.edu). If you would like to join the list, please mail to tadream-request@cs.uwp.edu. The comments in this file are the gleaned from various current and past members of the list, as many times, multiple responses have been edited into one - more complete answer. As such exact attribution cannot be given. In particular, I would like to thank Bob Pietkovitch, Alan Michaels, and Nick Rothwell for many of the original responses. Initial text culling by tadream-request@cs.uwp.edu Reworking and clarification compliments of Neil Bowers Some additions and updates made by Klaus Beschorner Topics Covered (* new or update) 1) Lyrics 2) Discography 3) Thief Tracks 4) Videos 5) Pergamon/Quichotte/Staatsgrenze 6) Fan Club Information 7) The band's name origin 8) Origin/Meaning of Album Titles 9) Green Desert 10) Michael Hoenig 11) Ralph Wadephul 12) Chris Franke 13) Johannes Schmoelling 14) E-Music Fan Club (KLEM) 15) Books 16) Movies/live albums <--> Albums 17) What's available on the tadream archive? 18) Fanzines 19) Bootlegs 20) Paul Haslinger * 21) Electronic Resources ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1) Subject: Lyrics The Lyrics to the following tracks or albums alpha.centauri (Alpha Centauri) atem (Atem) cyclone (Cyclone) kiew.mission (Exit) lady.greengrass (a single by THE ONES) london (Tyger) love.of.mine (a single by THE ONES) loved.by.the.sun (Legend) shy.people (Shy People LP) shy.people.movie (Shy People film) smile (Tyger) the.fly (Tyger) tyger (Tyger) are available via anonymous FTP from cs.uwp.edu and E-Mail request from tadream-request@cs.uwp.edu FTP users can find it in the /pub/music/lyrics/t/tangerine.dream directory. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2) Subject: Discography A reasonably complete discography is available via anonymous FTP from cs.uwp.edu and E-Mail request from tadream-request@cs.uwp.edu. FTP users can find it in the pub/music/artist/t/tangerine.dream/discog file on cs.uwp.edu. The pub/music/artist/t/tangerine.dream directory also contains discographies for solo works of current and past band members, and other unrelated discographies. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3) Subject: Thief Tracks The extra track on the Thief LP is by Craig Safan (the same person who did the TV show "Cheers" theme song). It's a standard movie rock song thing w/lyrics. The Virgin LP and CD releases are identical. The Elektra LP version is NOT identical to the Virgin CD release. The Elektra LP version DOES contain the "Confrontation" track written by Craig Safan. The Elektra LP version is MISSING the "Beach Scene" track. You can easily notice the differences between the two LPs on side two: The track dimensions (as you look at the vinyl) are different. The "Confrontation" track is wide compared to the last track on the Virgin version, "Igneous." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 4) Subject: Videos TD have two officially available videos : 1) Canyon Dreams, a combination of Grand Canyon imagery and TD music (in stereo). It contains 6 tracks, each of about 4-5 minutes, total duration is 38 minutes. The band lineup at the time was Frose, Franke & Haslinger. The video is available in VHS PAL, VHS NTSC and LD NTSC formats, and is on Miramar Productions. The soundtrack is now available on CD (Miramar CD ...). It contains re-equalized versions of the tracks from the video, and an additional track composed and played by Jerome Froese. 2) Three Phase - Past, Present, Future has 11 tracks mainly from TDs 1992 US-tour, with some older video footage of the band thrown in. It plays 70 minutes and is available in VHS PAL and VHS NTSC from Miramar Productions. Many videoclips of TD tracks and performances have been produced since as far back as 1975. Most of them were never released, and less than a dozen shown on music channels all over the world. None were made available commercially so far, so they are only traded among fans who recorded them from TV. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 5) Subject: Pergamon/Quichotte/Staatsgrenze The reason that all three recordings sound familiar is that they're different parts (and different mixes) from the same concert. The concert was at the Palast Der Republik in East Berlin, recorded on January 31st, 1980. It was a 4+ hour concert and TD was allowed to play there (as the first band from the west to play since the wall went up) "because we could assure them not to use words in any way." (Interview with Edgar in TDIFC Newsletter #7.*) (Of course, it's fitting that TD played on 19-20 Feb. 1989 in East Berlin nearly a decade later and as one of the first western bands to play a concert since the wall came down.) "Quichotte" was the first official recording of the concert and it was released on Amiga Records, an East German record company. There were two releases of the disc, The first release had a red label and was limited to 1000 copies. The second pressing was with a blue label and had 4000 copies. There were contractual conditions with the recording of the concert and TD couldn't release it on a "western" label for six years. A portion of the concert was broadcasted live over the National Broadcasting System of the GDR. A bootleg of this live broadcast appeared as "Staatzgrenze West." Six years later, Caroline Records (in the US) released "Pergamon - Live at the >>Palast der Republik<< GDR." It was completely re-mixed and re-mastered from the original concert tapes. There are numerous similarities to the bootleg, but it's a different recording due to Edgar and company fooling around in their studio. The two tracks on Pergamon, "Quichotte Part I and Part II," of course, further link the two albums. * TDIFC = Tangerine Dream International Fan Club, details below. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 6) Subject: Fan Club Information The Tangerine Dream International Fan Club at P.O. Box 303340, D-1000 Berlin 30, West Germany is no longer, do not send mail to that address. No replacement for this club has been formed, but there are several groups who publish fanzines that fill the gap that was left by the Fanclub's newsletter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 7) Subject: The band's name origin The name Tangerine Dream is a mystery. One popular myth is that the name Tangerine Dream came from the "Lucy in the Sky" song. Edgar says this is not true, and that it is in fact an acronym, but will not divulge the meaning, or origin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 8) Subject: Origin/Meaning of Album Titles Force Majeure: a French expression meaning irresistible compulsion or coercion; an unforseable course of events excusing from fulfilment of contract. For example, insurance companies will not cover "force majeure" damages, such as natural disasters, tax changes. Hyperborea: from Greek mythology --- a land of sunshine and plenty beyond the north wind, populated by Apollo worshippers. Derives from Hyper, meaning over, beyond or above, and Boreas, the god of the north wind. Phaedra: Greek mythology, she was a mortal, married to Theseus, but she loved his son Hippolytus, who repulsed her advances. She turned Theseus against Hippolytus, who then had his son killed. Melrose: Private Music is now situated on Melrose Avenue in Hollywood. Ricochet: It was the name of a pinball game the band played during the tours. Rybycon: comes from the word "Rubicon" which is defined: Ru.bi.con (n) ('r{u:}-bi-.k{a:}n) Etymology: L i[Rubicon-], i[Rubico], river of northern Italy forming part of the boundary between Cisalpine Gaul and Italy whose crossing by Julius Caesar in 49 B.C. was regarded by the Senate as an act of war n, a bounding or limiting line; esp: one that when crossed commits a person irrevocably Stratosfear: Pun on Stratosphere. Tangram: Chinese puzzle consisting of a square cut into seven pieces which are then combined into various figures. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 9) Subject: Green Desert Why was this album was done without Baumann ? Around the early months of 1973, Peter decided to take a little sojourn to visit Kathmandu in Nepal. While he was away, Froese and Franke worked on some pieces of music that were a little different from TD's music at the time. They nearly had the tracks finished before Baumann returned. I'm not sure if Froese and Franke expected him back. But, since TD was (and is) a "democratic institution," the vote was that Green Desert was to be shelved for the time being. Later in 1986, Froese "found" the tapes, recorded the music and remixed the results into what we know of as "Green Desert." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10) Subject: Michael Hoenig Baumann took a little sojourn to parts unknown during the Australian tour of 1975. That was when Michael Hoenig joined up with TD for about about 2 to 3 months. Not too much later, Baumann left for good. According to Froese, Hoenig was not considered "a member of Tangerine Dream"; but as far as the list is concerned, he was. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 11) Subject: Ralph Wadephul Ralph Wadephul WAS going to be the new member of TD. The Sun Gate track that he originally wrote (and Haslinger and Froese 'helped' with) on Optical Race was a good sign of a bright future. His 1988 tour with TD showed him to a very capable touring musician. I suspect, however, that Froese-Haslinger duo and Wadephul simply didn't mix well. Froese does not talk about these things. TD's a pretty private group (hence, no biographies). So, there's no real, hard evidence. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 12) Subject: Chris Franke Since Cristoph's departure from TD, he's moved to Los Angeles to do soundtrack work. He was (and still is?) a musician/ consultant for WaveFrame USA and their AudioFrame product. Franke has released a first solo album `Pacific Coast Highway', a live album from his 'London Concert' and a film music sampler. Him being a prolific and successfull film music writer, more releases are awaited soon. More about his work can be found in his own subdirectory, and it's about time for a seperate FAQ for him. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 13) Subject: Johannes Schmoelling Since his departure from the band Johannes has produced three albums: Wuivend Riet, The Zoo of Tranquility, and White Out. The Zoo of Tranquility was on the now-defunct Theta label, and is almost impossible to get hold of. Wuivend Riet is Dutch, and means `Wind-blown reeds'. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 14) Subject: E-Music Fan Club (KLEM) The KLEM is a Dutch association of lovers of electronic music. Ten years ago the KLEM started as the merge of fanclubs of Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze. Nowadays they are not so narrow-minded, and pay attention to all kinds of EM. Activities of the KLEM are an annual convention, with about four concerts. They publish a monthly magazine, about 60 pages, containing interviews, reviews of discs, concerts, etc., plus the latest gossip ("I heard Kitaro is planning a concert in 2035..." "Did you know the Hans Brinkers did play piano on the Moontrack album of Klaus Schulze..." that kind of thing, not what the name of Froese's wife is, or that he hates fishing). As a part of the 10th anniversary of KLEM, they decided to make a special CD, containing a number of musicians in Western Europe. Of course, Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze were to be included, as they were the origin of KLEM. Christopher Franke contributed unreleased music, too. KLEM-CD 2 was just released for their 15th anniversary. Among many others it features unreleased material by Klaus Schulze, Johannes Schmoelling and Christopher Franke. At the moment, KLEM itself is being run by Frits Couwenberg, a fanatic with a lot of contacts in the EM-sphere. There are about 800 members, KLEM also has a number of spontaneous local organizations. Stichting KLEM Amstelsingel 7 4105 GZ Culemborg The Netherlands phone: +31-3450-19087 (Dutch spoken info on an answering machine, urgent messages may be left there). costs (in the Netherlands): NLG 24.=3D=3D per 6 fanzines (equals about 1 year). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 15) Subject: Books 1) THE DREAM LIVES ON! The Unofficial Collector's Guide to the Music of TANGERINE DREAM by Alan Vincent Michaels Chronological order discography, history, and track cross reference. At this time, Alan has no plans on printing additional copies. (June 30, 1992) He suggests you write to Matt Heargreaves. Write to: Alan Vincent Michaels 1195 Earls Drive Victor, New York 14564-9518 USA 2) VOICES IN THE DUNES The Tangerine Dream Worldwide Discography By Rolf Sonnemann, Peter Stoeferle, and Matt Hargreaves Alphabetical order discography, history, track cross reference. Available in Trade Paperback and Hardcover. U.S. Price: $30.00 + $4.00 shipping (papercover) Washington residents add 8.2% sales tax. Write to: Mathew D. Hargreaves P.O. Box 66099 Seattle WA 98166-0099 USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 16) Subject: Movies/live albums <--> Albums Encore Stratosfear Livemiles Underwater Sunlight Pergamon Tangram The Keep Logos Risky Business Exit, Tangram Set 1 (beginning), Force Majeure The Soldier Dolphin Dance, Poland (part 5 min. into Tangent track), Poland (last 5 min. section of Horizon), Logos Part I (7-8 min. into track), Exit (intro to Remote Viewing), something else from Poland, and another track which I think was "Astral Voyager" from "Green Desert" Sorceror Ricochet Thief Force majeure Wavelength Exit & modified bits of Tangram ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 17) Subject: What's available on the tadream archive? The tadream ftp archive is at cs.uwp.edu [131.210.1.4] and is organised as follows: In the directory /pub/music/artists/t/tangerine.dream/mail.list: archives/ = (dir) Tadream monthly digests digest/ - (dir) Tadream daily digests (this month) misc/ - (dir) Stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else xwindows/ - (dir) xwindows tadream pictures /pub/music/artists/t/tangerine.dream/pictures Lots of pictures. ../mail.list/misc: 7080.box the band history from the 70/80-box bootlegged.dreams article about bootlegs from "Voices in the Dunes" bootlegged.dreams.update collection of short reviews of new bootlegs exit.pre press preview for "Exit" froese.interview.170294 english translation of an interview on WDR froese.interview.200394 english translation of an interview on FFN keyboard.4.81 article from Keyboard magazine April 1981 optical.pre press preview for "Optical Race" pacific.pre press preview for Chris's "Pacific Coast Highway" park.notes liner notes from "Le Park" rockoon.pre press preview for "Rockoon" tourbook.75 texts from the 1975 tour booklet tourbook.81 texts from the 1981 tour booklet tourbook.82 texts from the 1982 tour booklet -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) Subject: Are there any fanzines that focus on TD ? Besides KLEM, there are several other organizations that publish fanzines about electronic music. The list is alphabetical, and I wrote more about the fanzines I know better, no rating intended. BEYOND THE HORIZON about 4 issues/year in English, about 32 pages in A4 format The publication of the TDNAN (TD North American Network), focussed on TD and former members, informations, interviews, reviews, fan questions answered, fan contacts etc. In scope and appearance close to the old "Tangible Dream". Subscription/Membership in TDNAN is US$ 25.- (USA) or $30 (Canada) or $35.- (elsewhere) for one year. Contact: TDNAN Hotline : (USA) (313) 281-4874 Attn: Mark Ashby 60, Victoria Lane Frostburg, MD 21532 USA CASCADES is the sequel to WAVES (see below), edited by former WAVES- coeditor Torsten Zimmer. About 6 issues/year in German, about 60 pages in A5 format. Electronic music in general, lots of album/concert reviews. Subscription: DM 36.- (Germany) or DM 42.- (Europe) for 6 issues Contact : Udo Pollmann Fuerstenkamp 19 D-48712 Gescher Germany DREAM COLLECTOR about 3-4 issues/year in English, about 16 pages in A5 format. Almost solely dedicated to discographic info about TD and former members, track listing and pictures of collectible releases. Intended as followups/updates to "Voices in the Dunes" Subscription : DM 30.- or US$ 20.- for six (Europe) or four (elsewhere) issues. Contact : Rolf Sonnemann Email: chris_horn@do.maus.de Stettiner Str. 14 Fax : (Germany) (0)209-65633 D-38678 Clausthal-Zellerfeld Germany DREAMS WORD about 2 issues/year in English, about 24 pages in A4 format. Electronic music in general, lots of album/concert reviews, usually a big interview included. Subscription: US$ 12.- (USA) or $16.- (foreign) for 4 issues Contact : Electronic Dreams Email: elana@netcom.com PO Box 42385 Portland, OR 97242 USA TANGENTEN 3-4 issues per year in Danish, about 40 pages in A5 format Contact : Peter Ravn Borgbjergsvej 49, 5. tv. B1 2450 Koebenhavn SV DENMARK VOYAGER about 2-3 issues/year in English, about 55 pages in A5 format. Focussed on TD and former members, some reviews of other electronic music. Reviews and pictures of collector's items, informations, flyer updates between issues. Subscription: UKP (Pound Sterling) 10.- (UK) or UKP 15.- (Europe) for 4 issues, UKP 15.- for three issues elswhere. Single issues UKP 3.- (UK) or UKP 4.- (Europe), not available elsewhere. Contact : Niall Dew Email: niall@nialld.demon.co.uk 40 Melrose Street Great Horton Bradford BD7 3EW England WAVES has been discontinued after issue #22 in June 1994 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) Subject: Bootlegs What is a "bootleg" ? An illegally released LP/CD (and sometimes tape/video). To speak in the words of the bootleg bible, the "Hot Wacks" book : "A destinction had best be made at this point between bootleg, pirate and counterfeit records. A bootleg LP/CD consists of unreleased material recorded at concerts, studio outtakes and radio or TV broadcasts. A pirate album consists of released material without attempting to make the LP/CD look like an original. A counterfeit album is an exact copy of an officially released album." What TD bootlegs are available ? A comprehensive discography that lists and explains the relaeses up to 1990 is available on the music archive ftp.uwp.edu in the file /pub/music/lists/tadream/misc/bootlegged.dreams It is a slightly reworked version of the article in "Voices in the Dunes" A terse list of updates is in the same directory as : bootlegged.dreams.update The discography (see Q.2) also includes most bootlegs until 1992. The fanzines VOYAGER and DREAM COLLECTOR also specialize on listing these releases. What tracks are on the "XXX" bootleg ? The files mentioned above only occasionally contain detailed track listings, especially if it's a live concert and the producers weren't bothered to put titles on the cover. The tadream mailing list or one of the "collectors" fanzines is a good place to ask. Where can I get bootlegs ? Bootlegs are illegal by copyright laws in most countries. Selling them, even owning them is illegal in some countries, too. Although there is only occasional prosecution against producers and very rarely against dealers or collectors, order adresses or order lists will not lie around in the public. A posting on tadream or a small ad in one of the fanzines mentioned above is most likely to yield you the responses you're waiting for. Record Fairs are another good place to try. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) Subject: Paul Haslinger Since his departure from the band Paul has been working together with French duo LIGHTWAVE and collaborated on some tracks released on cassettes and the CD-samplers "Nunc Music" and "Octahedron", and played some live concerts with them. Other rumoured projects of him, like "Blue Room" and a collaboration with Peter Baumann never saw the light of day. He lives in Los Angels now and has just released his first solo CD "Future Primitive" on Wildcat Records in Oct. '94. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 21) Subject: Electronic Resources The Tangerine Dream mailing list (tadream) can be joined by writing an Email to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu with the line "subscribe tadream" in the message body. "help" will return you a more detailed user guide. As mentioned, ftp.uwp.edu is the site of the music archive where all these files about TD can be found. It is quite busy, though, so you might want to look for files on one of these mirror sites : mirrors.aol.com, directories /pub/music www.wit.com, directory /music Two unofficial (though good) TD Web pages: http://onyx.slu.edu/dylan/tdream/tdream.html http://www.public.iastate.edu/~hunter/TD/tngdrm.html Unofficial Klaus Schulze Web page: http://www.eecs.uic.edu/~jstamato/ks/klaus_schulze.html Miramar home page http://www.uspan.com/miramar/miramar.html Haslinger home page ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/ctuel/Haslinger/Haslinger.html Sonic Images home page http://www.sonicimages/com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Tangerine Dream Mailing List and Digest is brought to you via Datta Production and Development, 905 97th Street, Kenosha, WI 53143 USA datta@cs.uwp.edu This digest was brought to you via computer resources courtesy of University of Wisconsin-Parkside and Datta Production and Development. 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