From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Mark Shreeve - Redshift Really-From: sto@i... > Really-From: 'Whitton, Edward EJ' > > Has anyone heard this CD yet. I have and thoroughly recommend it to fans > of TD 'Pink Years' > > Mark has used the facilities available at the Synth Museum and sounds > like he has re-discovered all TD's favourite patches (yes loads of > mellotron) and techniques (hats off to the man, what a technician!). > > Sounds a lot like bits of Phaedra, Sorcerer, Rubycon etc Is this new? I bought two of his yesterday - Collide, which is a recording of his live performance at the EMMA festival of 1994. Not a lot of new material (tracks from Crash Ahead, Assassin and Nocturne) but the tracks are at least in different arrangements - excellent CD although apparently a 1000 copy limited edition! Would probably appeal to 80's TD fans. The other CD (which I didn't get time to listen to as yet) was Powerhouse which is an 'incidental' music CD - i.e. the ones which TV and advertising companies use to select background music - tracks in full, 59 second and 29 second versions. There is some new material on this one (OK I listened to part of one track in the shop!) Alan -- Alan Stocker Department of Engineering, Leicester University, LE1 7RH, U.K. Tel: +44-116-252-2520 (work). From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 9, 1997 10:49 am Subject: Live album? Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> This has probably been discussed at some point already...but I am lacking some info as to the background details regarding many TD albums. Question : Has TD ever released any live albums? If so, which are they? With LIVE album I mean an official, legitimate release by TD that was recorded from playing in front of an audience, not a studio. Obviously 'Ricochet', 'Pergamon' and 'Livemiles' are either mostly studio or heavily overdubbed. From what I read here, I assume the same to be true of 'Logos', correct? So that would leave only 'Encore' and '220V' as possible candidates of actually being live albums. And since recent TD is mostly preprogrammed MIDI, even '220V' could be considered being mostly a studio effort (other than guitars and a small amount of live synth work). So what about 'Encore'? Compared to the 'unofficial' live recordings of that time, it sounds like this one actually wasn't messed with and could be the only true live album in 30 years of TD... Any insights? -- Hilmar Kraft hkraft@c... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9 Re: Live album? Plumer, Scott Thu 1/9/1997 3 KB 17 Re: Live album? sean Thu 1/9/1997 3 KB 29 Re: Live album? PSPZ04A@p... Fri 1/10/1997 2 KB 33 Re: Live album? sean Fri 1/10/1997 2 KB 35 Re: Live album? Hermes Guzman Fri 1/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 9, 1997 6:02 pm Subject: td live Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> > > >Question : Has TD ever released any live albums? If so, which are they? >With LIVE album I mean an official, legitimate release by TD that was >recorded from playing in front of an audience, not a studio. >...... Hi, you forgot 'Poland' in your list. But also here I am not shure to what extend they did some studio rework - at least some remix. Actually the only album which is pure in a sense that it was played on tape just like that without any additional refurbishing is Electronic Meditation. This was a session tape. If you want 'real' live, stick to the boots. If you listen to Live Improvised (Reims Cathedral '74), you might realise that for an official live release some refurbishing was necessary. I love that boot, but it is obvious at some points that they (Froese, Franke, Baumann) lost track and were not reallly playing *together*, but everybody on his own. Considering the boots of the Tangram-Logos phase, I'm wondering why they did not released them as they were! They are perfect, and they really *play* on keyboards and don't run only sequencers or midi files (I witnessed it several times). Comparing these bootlegs to 'Logos', I don't assume that Logos is somehow processed. Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 9, 1997 6:18 pm Subject: Re: Green Desert - Original Cover Really-From: Ian@i... (Ian Armstrong) > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >Now I've got the UK Castle/Essential remastered version correct. So, >the cover is the inside of a hot air balloon. > >GREEN DESERT -- separate issue of IN THE BEGINNING -sides 11,12- > Cover: Circular photograph, rock outcroppings in orange/yellow desert > 1LP [1986] Jive-DE- ???... [1986] Rel.-??- 88561-8072-1 > [19??] Rel.-??- EMC 8072 > 1CD [1986] Jive-DE- C TANG 1 [1986] Rel.-??- 88561-8072-2 > [1986] Rel.-??- EMCD 8072 [19??] Rel.-??- TRCD 8072 >GREEN DESERT-remaster -- remastering of GREEN DESERT > Cover: The inside of a hot air balloon, looking up; colorful. > 1CD [1996] Essential-UK- ESMCD349 [1996] Sequel-US- 1036-2 > My LP (JIVE - HOP226 (P)1986 (C)1989) has a white cover with a single peach coloured square (1.5' in size) next to the words 'Tangerine Dream' (grey) 'Green Desert' (black). According to the back it is the '84 remix of the original '73 recording. -- Ian Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14 Re: Green Desert - Original Cover Dave Lane Thu 1/9/1997 2 KB 22 Re: Green Desert - Original Cover TWeibre361@a... Thu 1/9/1997 2 KB 93 Re: Green Desert - Original Cover PNaunton@a... Mon 1/13/1997 3 KB 222 Re: Green Desert - Original Cover sean Fri 1/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 9, 1997 11:27 am Subject: Re: DREAM ROOTS is import-only, right? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > People, > Before I go and send 50 bucks to RPM, I thought it might be a good > idea to make sure: this isn't coming out in the USA in the near future > is it? Also, is $50.00 a decent price??? I'm sorta low on money, but > I don't want it to slip by and go out-of-print like TANGENTS did before > I get one. > Apparently cduniverse is asking $40.93. They are now on back order. Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38 Re: DREAM ROOTS is import-only, right? paula@J... Fri 1/10/1997 2 KB 50 Re: DREAM ROOTS is import-only, right? Claude Roy Fri 1/10/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 9, 1997 8:27 am Subject: Re: SV: Edgar caught SMILING??? Really-From: Mark Filipak Doing some system cleanup and ran across the post below. A much earlier picture of Edgar smiling is on the last inside page of the insert that comes with the Relativity, 1992 reissue of 'Tyger'. It shows Paul, Edgar, Chris, and (foreground) Jocelyn. The picture must be from the February '87 sessions of course. Is this the earliest picture of Edgar smiling? tadream@c... wrote: > > Really-From: Johan.O.Edberg@t... > > Från: tadream > Till: tadream > Angående: Edgar caught SMILING??? > Datum: den 8 november 1996 7:45 > > Really-From: PhilPDX@a... > > Did I miss this? No one, that I recall, has commented on the picture > inside Goblin's Club showing Edgar actually SMILING! It has often been > commented on this list before that Edgar is notorious for NEVER smiling > in any of his photos. In the inside photo, he and Linda have big grins > on their faces. > I'm surprised he allowed the photo to run - must be mellowing in his > later years! :-) > > Phil D. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > 'Edgar actually SMILING!' ?? > > I'd rather call that a grin. > > - Joha Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12 Re: SV: Edgar caught SMILING??? feldon@n... Thu 1/9/1997 2 KB 16 Re: SV: Edgar caught SMILING??? Francisco Salgado C. Thu 1/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 9, 1997 1:10 pm Subject: RE: Stuermer Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I thought I saw him with Gabriel at one of Peter's concerts at the civic >in Santa Cruz, but it may not have actually been a tour. You see, Peter >loves Santa Cruz and will often show up there and do an improptu show He did play with Full Colons, I mean Phil Collins on all of his tours. What some people will do for money. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39 Re: Stuermer paula@J... Fri 1/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 9, 1997 1:06 pm Subject: Rolling Stone Readers' Poll Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I just got the Readers' Poll issue in the mail, the one with Alice Coo- I mean Marilyn Manson on the cover. They have a category for electronic music in their poll, and guess who finished first? Nope. It was someone named 'Tricky.' TD didn't even make it at all. When next year's poll comes around, I say we all flood RS with votes for TD in every category! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 9, 1997 1:21 pm Subject: RE: Live album? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Question : Has TD ever released any live albums? If so, which are they? >Obviously 'Ricochet', 'Pergamon' and 'Livemiles' are either mostly studio >or heavily overdubbed. From what I read here, I assume the same to be true >of 'Logos', correct? So that would leave only 'Encore' and '220V' as I have a tape of the show that Logos is from, and although it's edited, it does sound essentially the same, so Logos would be a true live album. Ditto with Encore. I have a tape of the Santa Monica show which it sounds remarkably like. Plus, the quality is pretty bad for an official release, so I doubt it was doctored much. Livemiles, despite what's been said on the list, sounds like a pretty faithful reproduction of the Berlin '87 show. Edited, of course. Don't know about Albuquerque, though. I wonder if they released Encore as an undoctored live album and didn't like the results, and so decided to alter future live albums. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 9, 1997 9:33 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #799 Really-From: ashok prema RE: Brendan Headings comments on mine: Here I think I know what you mean, and I agree with it. But you seem to contradict yourself a little. You cannot deliver factual criticism when you're talking about music. Actually, when I said 'factually', I merely meant that we don't know for fact, what Jeromes input really is - and in fact if the heavy drumming patterns etc - 'the new TD style' in fact derives from Jerome - or is merely Edgars exploration into another direction - lets not therefore lay any blame - if there be any - at Jeromes door for the direction TD has taken in the past few years - for all we know, he may be pining to put out another retro style album, but Edgar has vetoed it as having been done before! (in any instance Mark Shreeve has beat them to it with his Red Shift album - 'Rubycon part 2' it truly sounds like!! - marvellous stuff - and he's got the original Moog Modular chugging away to replicate the sounds! ) To paraphrase another digest contributor (or should I say critic)...............................................I'm COOL!!!! and finally - A question re the 'Network' tape - how many copies have been produced of this item ?? how many are sactually sold ? Reason I ask -- is it viable to do a cd next time??? Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15 Re: tadream-digest V15 #799 Francisco Salgado C. Thu 1/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 9, 1997 2:29 pm Subject: Re[2]: tadream-digest V15 #780 Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: Brendan Heading >>I read the 'award list' by GK Naughton with dismay. This was downright >>rude. >No, no :) (IMHO!!!) You've missed the point a little. It was supposed to be a >humourous stab at folks on the list, and at TD and some other people. Hell, I >was mentioned in it myself. It's not something ye take personally. I must say >I found it pretty funny - cheers for that! Y'know, I keep hearing about this list, but I've never seen it (I somehow got unsubscribed over XMas). Could someone repost it, or simply send me a copy privately. Thanks, B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 9, 1997 3:16 pm Subject: Re: SV: Edgar caught SMILING??? Really-From: feldon@n... >Relativity, 1992 reissue of 'Tyger'. The picture must be from the >February '87 sessions of course. Is this the earliest picture of Edgar >smiling? (snip...) > No one, that I recall, has commented on the picture >inside Goblin's Club showing Edgar actually SMILING! It has often been >> commented on this list before that Edgar is notorious for NEVER smiling >> in any of his photos.. Actually, the earliest smile I've seen of Edgar's is on the Three Phase videos during the credits where they are playing the Tangents version of Logos. This very old/blurry/shaky footage of him smiling may have been taken as early as '77 but I think it's from the '82 Logos concert. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 9, 1997 10:19 pm Subject: edgar smiling Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Actually, the earliest smile I've seen of Edgar's is on the Three Phase >videos during the credits where they are playing the Tangents version of >Logos. This very old/blurry/shaky footage of him smiling may have been taken >as early as '77 but I think it's from the '82 Logos concert. > >Morgan > > Hi, the booklet of the Virgin Box 70-80 contains a photo showing a young smiling Edgar with a Salvador Dali statue. According to Edgar's haircut and dressing, it must be a photo of the 60s, probably during his time with Dali. I don't really understand why everybody thinks it is *Edgar* never smiling. There seem to be much more smiling Edgar photos than Chris Franke smiling. armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30 Re: edgar smiling PSPZ04A@p... Fri 1/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 9, 1997 3:29 pm Subject: Re: Green Desert - Original Cover Really-From: dalane@b... (Dave Lane) Mark Filipak > Can anyone direct me to a > picture of the original cover for Green Desert (a web page perhaps) or > can anyone merely describe the original cover. http://ftp.uwp.edu/pub/music/pictures/t/tangerine.dream/grdesert.gif --Dave From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 9, 1997 5:53 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #799 Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: ashok prema > > Actually, when I said 'factually', I merely meant that we don't know for > fact, what Jeromes input really is - and in fact if the heavy drumming > patterns etc - 'the new TD style' in fact derives from Jerome - or is merely > Edgars exploration into another direction - lets not therefore lay any Well, I understand the term 'exploration' as walking into new territories. Nobody explore a high-way full of cars. And ( always in my honest opinion) TD nowadays are driving on jammed musical highway. Regards -- Francisco Salgado, La Coruņa, Espaņa mailto:fsalgado@c... http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fsalgado From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 9, 1997 5:40 pm Subject: Re: SV: Edgar caught SMILING??? Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > Doing some system cleanup and ran across the post below. A much earlier > picture of Edgar smiling is on the last inside page of the insert that > comes with the Relativity, 1992 reissue of 'Tyger'. It shows Paul, > Edgar, Chris, and (foreground) Jocelyn. The picture must be from the > February '87 sessions of course. Is this the earliest picture of Edgar > smiling? > The Keep bootleg shows Edgar and Michel Mann walking and both with a very big smile. (Edgar's teeth are seen). And that is a 1982-83 photo. Regards -- Francisco Salgado, La Coruņa, Espaņa mailto:fsalgado@c... http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fsalgado From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 8, 1997 8:45 am Subject: Re: Live album? Really-From: sean > Question : Has TD ever released any live albums? If so, which are they? Of the 'official' TD live albums...I'd say that just about all of them have either been reworked or at least re-sequenced. I presume this to be true of Encore and Logos...and perhaps even Poland, based on the track lists of concert bootlegs from these tours. In addition, whenever they switch record companies, they often don't have publishing rights for songs done for previous labels. As for 220 Volt - as you point out - since most of the music is pre-programmed before the shows, it's hard to tell if what you hear is live or Memorex. The tracks were certainly put in a different order. The one thing I missed though, was when - during the Toronto show - Jerome inserted a sample of Daffy Duck saying 'this stuff works great!' during Purple Haze. Is this on the 'Dreaming on Danforth' bootleg? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: I found MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label Really-From: Steven Feldman I stumbled across a mint copy of MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label for $7.99 yesterday. Now I *finally* have a copy of this, rather than a tape recording of the album, which is all I had before. Now, if I can track down AGES . . . A question: did MACULA TRANSFER ever get released on Virgin? I forgot. Also, what labels was AGES on? Finally, did the Edgar Froese solo album named SOLO 1974-1979 ever get a CD release? And what about ELECTRONIC DREAMS? The recorded-backwards version of 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale' is rather good. -- Steven Feldman & Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 95 Re: I found MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label PhilPDX@a... Mon 1/13/1997 2 KB 144 Re: I found MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label Plumer, Scott Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 158 Re: I found MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label Mark Filipak Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB 196 Re: I found MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label Plumer, Scott Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 4:00 am Subject: Bowie! Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, During an extended and often exhilarating interview on Tuesday night/Wednesday morning David Bowie (Ziggy Stardust et al...) talked about the joys of being fifty years old. At one point he was discussing many of the musicians/artists who have influenced him over his long career and good 'ole Edgar Froese was mentioned as being a major influence around the 'Heroes' phase whilst he was collaborating with Brian Eno in Berlin in the late seventies. He also cited the Kraftwerk boys as being a major influence. It was a fantastic interview and Mr. Bowie was very 'upbeat' and positive, almost jolly you could say. Anyone else see this or where you all tucked up in bed? Just thought you might like to know... Cheers David Tranquility Bass Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40 Bowie! paula@J... Fri 1/10/1997 2 KB 230 Re: Bowie! Whitton, Edward EJ Thu 1/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 8, 1997 8:33 am Subject: Re: orb remix TD Really-From: sean > PS - The translation of 'middle of February,' by the way, is actually 'March.' > Except for you folk in Canada, of course. For you, it means 'July.' ;) Ha. Ha ha ha. :-) Thank goodness for RPM Records! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR (IN CANADA) http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 76 Re: orb remix TD R.A.Seed Sun 1/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 3:42 am Subject: bowie Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Hi all, > >During an extended and often exhilarating interview on Tuesday >night/Wednesday morning David Bowie (Ziggy Stardust et al...) talked about >the joys of being fifty years old. At one point he was discussing many of >the musicians/artists who have influenced him over his long career and good >'ole Edgar Froese was mentioned as being a major influence around the >...... > > It is mentioned in the Tangents booklet that at that time Edgar and Bowie met quite often in Berlin to discuss a possible collaboration, but in the end they somehow 'dispersed' and Bowie worked with Eno. Am I right, or is my memory wrong? Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 9, 1997 9:02 pm Subject: Re: Green Desert - Original Cover Really-From: TWeibre361@a... just to add another level of confusion to this: i have the relativity cassette with a circular picture outlined in black with a very clear photo of two mesas...the title appears in stencil script... my .02....tom w np: drc disc 5 ( very interesting) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 9, 1997 5:29 am Subject: RE: TD CD-I under Win 95 Really-From: Jim Moore >FYI, regarding the Italian CD-ROM/CD-i interactive--before anyone pays big bucks >for it, note that it doesn't appear to work under Windows 95, only Win 3.1 >(unless someone can think of a workaround short of me reinstalling Win 3.1). >I've tried it on several PCs with Win 95 installed and it refuses to access any >of the data files, only recognizing it as an audio CD. Any ideas, anyone? I've only run it under Win95 with no problems. I just ran Tadream.exe from the CD-Drive and it does the rest. I DID already have Quicktime installed, however. Same with that Shadows of the Empire that came out last year... - jim From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 2:14 am Subject: 'Pink' Years Really-From: Jim Moore Are these the 'Pink' years because there was a Pink Floyd influence in the early years? Doesn't help for an explanation of the 'Blue' years, though... - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 143 Re: 'Pink' Years Plumer, Scott Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 155 Re: 'Pink' Years sean Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 12:07 am Subject: Re: Pink and Blue Really-From: Paul Edwards > Hi all, > I know this is going to be a silly question and that every TD fan > should know it, but what does 'Pink and Blue' mean? Does it mean old and new? > Please forgive me for asking such a question:)...... It's a means of referencing the years after and before Walter/Wendy Carlos had the operation... Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27 Re: Pink and Blue Mark Filipak Fri 1/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 2:12 am Subject: RE: January FAQ Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >3) TYRANNY OF BEAUTY CD-I >webpage...), two videos ('Three Bikes in the Sky' and 'Stratosfear 95') and Just a nitpick: the two videos are 'Melrose' and 'Stratosfear '95'. - jimbo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 69 Re: January FAQ Hermes Guzman Sun 1/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 12:24 am Subject: Re: Pink and Blue Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Paul Edwards > > > Hi all, > > I know this is going to be a silly question and that every TD fan > > should know it, but what does 'Pink and Blue' mean? Does it mean old and new? > > Please forgive me for asking such a question:)...... > > It's a means of referencing the years after and before Walter/Wendy Carlos > had the operation... > > Paul Gawd. I'm always so impressed with the awsome level of knowledge engendered in this mailing list. It's like having a library in your bathroom. Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 12:34 am Subject: Really-From: Ahren Alexander Reed unsubscribe tholin@c... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 229 Armin Theissen Thu 1/16/1997 3 KB 443 Armin Theissen Sat 1/25/1997 2 KB 478 Armin Theissen Mon 1/27/1997 3 KB 486 Re: Marcel Engels Mon 1/27/1997 2 KB 620 Armin Theissen Tue 2/4/1997 2 KB 658 FINDLAY B.J. BSC.ENG. Thu 2/6/1997 2 KB 718 Eduardo Nava D.C. (525) 230-2 Sat 2/8/1997 2 KB 779 Maxwell A. Croy Tue 2/11/1997 2 KB 787 Re: Gabe Yedid Tue 2/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: Live album? Really-From: PSPZ04A@p... -- [ From: Peter Isaacson * EMC.Ver #2.5.1 ] -- > though, was when - during the Toronto show - Jerome inserted a sample of Daffy > Duck saying 'this stuff works great!' during Purple Haze. I believe it was Sylvester the Cat, not Daffy 'I've always wanted to try to ship a box of helium balloons that floated every so slightly. Do you think that Fed Ex would pay *me* to ship that box?' - Steve Gere -- A Semi-Random .sig.quote Pete PENFOLD_of_Terra@p... http://pages.prodigy.com/penfold/penfold1.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33 Re: Live album? sean Fri 1/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: edgar smiling Really-From: PSPZ04A@p... -- [ From: Peter Isaacson * EMC.Ver #2.5.1 ] -- > I don't really understand why everybody thinks it is *Edgar* never smiling. > There seem to be much more smiling Edgar photos than Chris Franke smiling. Edgar is a really nice affable guy. He was quite approachable at the S.I For some reason unbeknownst to us, Edgar for some reason rarely smiles for his picture. SubGenius Chant Larry Curly Larry Curly Curly Curly Larry Larry Larry Moe Larry Moe Moe Moe Larry Larry -- A Semi-Random .sig.quote Pete PENFOLD_of_Terra@p... http://pages.prodigy.com/penfold/penfold1.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 2:56 am Subject: oasis, TOB CDI Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) Thanks Edgar and Jerome & TD homepage crew!!! My copy of 'Oasis' finally arrived today from camera one and I feel very fortunate to have been able to get one of the 50 signed copies! It really pays to check that newsticker! I examined it closely before placing it in the sacred shrine :-) and it appears to be exactly the same release (even the stickers are the same) as those that have been appearing on record stores shelves around the country for the past month. I look forward to watching it. For those of you who ordered from camera one, what they might not have told you is that these shipped 4th class! and may takes 'weeks' to arrive. yuppp that's what they told me when I called (and requested 2nd day delivery!) TOB CDI A clarification is in order also, the other day I stated that I was having trouble getting any info from minette music about the TOB CDI. Dave called me the next day and said he was processing my order then so it appears they still have copies of the CDI. He says it also includes the magazine although they are shipped under separate cover. thanks also to those of you who kept touting the quality of klemania. AFter buying that celestine crap I was ready to write CF off! (I already have PCH and TLC) I chanced upon it in a used rack for $6.99 and decided to give it a whirl only because of the good things I heard about it. Wo/Man am I glad I did! This is fantastic stuff, perhaps, maybe, possibly a 4AS! Subject: Re: Review of Goblins Club tadream mailing list was saying: > From the same Issue of Future Music: >It's so sad--so very, very sad. Tangerine Dream were once a world-class [...] >sounds, off-the-peg samples and attitude free drum loops. It's sure to >go down a storm in the brain-dead acid-addled knob-fondling retro-rock >enclaves of California. But hey, the rest of the world just doesn't >care anymore, and hasn't for at least ten years now. In a word, avoid. I think this guy's just jealous that he was so busy twiddling his own knob that he missed his chance to try acid and so never saw the light! wooooooWEEEEEEEEAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII! hmmmmm, blue you say? don't like the taste of that flashback! lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 42 Re: oasis, TOB CDI Mark Filipak Fri 1/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 3:17 am Subject: d:sorcerer Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) D:sorcerer 3as this will have to be another short and quick review or I'll be sleeping on the sofa tonight... I know some of you will want to strangle me with edgar's guitar strings for giving this and shy people the same rating. sorcerer the film was great and the music blended superbly with it; this opportunity was perhaps second in importance behind peel's 'discovery' td's phaedra for the development of the band. nevertheless, there are a number of tracks which--taken apart from the visual context--fail to engage me as a listener. perhaps it is just me. nevertheless, there are some fantastic individual tracks on this album but not enough to make it a 4as. there, now i've said it and i'm off to bed. good night dreamers! lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 8, 1997 4:16 pm Subject: Re: Live album? Really-From: sean > > though, was when - during the Toronto show - Jerome inserted a sample > of Daffy > > Duck saying 'this stuff works great!' during Purple Haze. > > I believe it was Sylvester the Cat, not Daffy Ah, thank you! I remember it being one of the Warner Bros. cartoon characters. :-) Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 3:11 am Subject: D:shy people Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) D:shy people 3AS (but a high 3as!) Hasn't anyone else D:listed this release? I've been listening to this cd for weeks and have been meaning to do a D:review but I just have not had the time. I know it is late already (ok, whip me with a patch cord!) but I just had to say something about this great soundtrack. Although I had not heard SP for about 4-5 years, I always remembered it fondly and so I jumped at the chance to buy it when I was in London. I remember the movie as not too bad--much better than near dark! but still a B+ film. It seems like we all have our favorite soundtracks and SP is among mine. without belaboring this review, I find it very similar in style and quality with heartbreakers, another one of my fav TD s'trax (and this coming from a guy whose favorite track is cloudburst flight!) I even (gasp) love the vocals; perhaps this is because of the wonderful voices of diamond ross ad jacquie virgil. I think they work especially well since the lyrics were written by TD members and performed with/under the dirction of TD and not by some other cheesy artist or group. In fact, I'd have to say that the vocal tracks on this album are probably among TD's very best tracks with vocals; they're even better than Tyger (although this is comparing apples and oranges). it took me a long time to decide whether this should be a 4AS or a 3as and I'm not sure what made me grade it lower in the end.... anyway, just wanted to get this in before I forget. besides, someone had to say it! lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 3:21 am Subject: Re: Live album? Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! >> though, was when - during the Toronto show - Jerome inserted a sample >of Daffy >> Duck saying 'this stuff works great!' during Purple Haze. > >I believe it was Sylvester the Cat, not Daffy Don't forget Bugs Bunny saying; 'And now, on with the show!' And, no, neither of those samples made it onto _Dreaming on Danforth Ave._. That disc only contained the first half of the concert, minus the opening. However, they may show up yet... goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 3:22 am Subject: Re: 'Glue Sounds' on TD CD-I 'Catwalk' Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetinga all! >Really-From: Steven Feldman > 'Glue sounds'? Wha . . .? Care to elucidate? Read the January FAQ... goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 3:33 am Subject: Re: Phaedra: Tangents.... Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! >>I was listening to the version of Phaedra on Tangents the >>other night and was wondering if anyone has any info on it. >>Like, is there a full length version of it? >>Why is it so different from the first Phaedra?, Etc..... > >The version from Tangents got an airplay in Germany (no not 'Schwingungen') >and the moderator said that it was so different because the original master >tapes were lost. So Edgar had to record it completely new. Two points: 1) If the master tapes were lost, then where did the _original master tape_ used to SBM _Phaedra_ in '94 come from, and, 2) The version in question on _Tangents_ is from the Dallas '88 concert, as has been reported in various interviews and other articles. Such as the 'Schwingungen' program from 2/23/89, where it was first premiered. Maybe the other DJ was...confused? ; ) goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 81 Re: Phaedra: Tangents.... Hermes Guzman Sun 1/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 5:06 am Subject: Re: DREAM ROOTS is import-only, right? Really-From: paula@J... Speaking of T-Dream 'incidental music', does anyone know if the incidental tracks they did for the film 'Risky Business' are available on the soundtrack LP?? If not, then perhaps on another disc of theirs somewhere?? /**********************************************************/ /* Paula */ /* paula@j... */ /* */ /* Sent from The Jungle Online */ /**********************************************************/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 5:08 am Subject: RE: Stuermer Really-From: paula@J... I believe that Darryl Stuermer plays on Jean Luc Ponty's CD 'A Taste For Passion' also... Great disc if you haven't heard it... /**********************************************************/ /* Paula */ /* paula@j... */ /* */ /* Sent from The Jungle Online */ /**********************************************************/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 5:13 am Subject: Bowie! Really-From: paula@J... The 'Electronic Dreams' LP is available on CD, on Relativity if I'm not mistaken. /**********************************************************/ /* Paula */ /* paula@j... */ /* */ /* Sent from The Jungle Online */ /**********************************************************/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 7:02 am Subject: How To Unsubscribe Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Ahren Alexander Reed > > unsubscribe tholin@c... Hi, To unsubscribe from the Tadream list send the following two lines unubscribe tadream tholin@c... unubscribe tadream-digest tholin@c... in the body of a message, and send it to majordomo@c... Sending both lines will get you off both the tadream and tadream-digest lists -- don't know which you are on. Hope this helps you. Sorry to see you go. Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 7:13 am Subject: Re: oasis, TOB CDI Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) > > Thanks Edgar and Jerome & TD homepage crew!!! > > My copy of 'Oasis' finally arrived today from camera one and I feel > very fortunate to have been able to get one of the 50 signed copies! Congratulations Lars. Glad you got it. Let me know how it is, that is if you take it out of the shrine and put it in a VCR! :-) Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: *Klaus Schulze concert CANCELLED* Really-From: Peter Ravn Sorry for the non-TD content ;-) The Klaus Schulze concert in Babelsberg planned for 20 Jan 1997 is cancelled due to technical reasons. Information obtained from KDM and the Klaus Schulze home page. Kind regards, Peter Ravn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 68 Re: *Klaus Schulze concert CANCELLED* Matt Williams Sun 1/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 10:01 am Subject: Ping to Georg Veltmann Really-From: Mark Filipak (Placed on list in attempt to reach Georg) Georg, I've tried twice to reach you directly at Georg.Veltmann@F... Here's a typical error message I get back ----------------- The original message was received at Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:07:10 -0800 from kudo20 [165.227.52.9] ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: fernuni-hagen.de: host not found) ----- Original message follows ----- (et cetera -- normal routing stuff) ------------------ I don't know what's going on here. Sorry, I can't reach you. Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 2:35 pm Subject: Re[2]: Pink and Blue Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >> It's a means of referencing the years after and before Walter/Wendy Carlos >> had the operation... >> >> Paul >Gawd. I'm always so impressed with the awsome level of knowledge >engendered in this mailing list. It's like having a library in your >bathroom. >Mark Heh heh. 'Engendered.' Heh heh heh. -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 2:53 pm Subject: Celestine Prophecy was <> Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-01-07 16:08:02 EST, you write: << Can anyone recommend the Celestine Prophecy as that is available. Happy New Year to All Gerry. >> I can recommend it, with reservations. There are some borderline, painful, new-agey songs on this one, too. Fortunately I have delete programming on my CD player. But, on the whole, I'd say that it's a masterwork of style and composition. Carries the concept quite effectively, if you're into that type of thing; The Celestine Prophecy, that is. Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 2:53 pm Subject: D:-_-_-_-_-Sorcerer-_-_-_-_- Really-From: PNaunton@a... 08-Jan-1997 This is the first OST done by these guys I bought, and I found in totally by accident in 1978. Tangerine Dream 'Sorcerer' - Soundtrack Published - 1977 Purchased - 1978 Format - LP Label - MCA Catalog - MCL 1646 Personnel - Froese, Franke, Baumann I never saw the movie until last December when I caught it over the Satellite Network. It amazed me how well it has remained current. Or maybe it just looks like an art cinema piece now. It's photographed in a very gritty, earthy manner. Although the music is somewhat spacey in its concept and execution, it connects at a gut level to the photography and action and story line. Friedkin definitely knew what he wanted and what he was doing when the got TD on board for this venture. Not to get into too much of a negative note, but this 'gut level' feel is one of the major losses in the TD music of today. On to other things. As I was browsing through the record bins I came across this blue-gray picture of this major publicity picture of the gigantic truck crossing the gorge on this rope bridge, and at such a crazy angle that I wondered, as I had before, why the hell it didn't just tip over and fall into the river below. As I thought about this I glanced above the picture and saw 'Tangerine Dream'. I didn't know that they had done the music for this film. With mounting curiosity, I turned the record jacket over and saw this ghostly photo of Froese, Franke, and Baumann on the rear. It was dramatically side lit, and made them look like 'Gods Of Heavy Metal' (quotes are mine) It's really a very stunning picture of the three of them. I immediately snatched this one up. I was not disappointed when I placed it on the turntable when I got home. From the album liner notes by Friedkin, it appears that Edgar and company composed and performed the whole soundtrack from only hearing the story from Friedkin and reading the script, which in itself is astounding to me. The music takes me back a ways, upon listening to it again now. It has been several years since I have put this on the old analog turntable. Ahhh, the crisp sound of those pops and clicks, and the dull rumble of the warped disk as the needle skates in toward the music laden grooves. And there is that comfortable feeling of being able to read the liner notes WITHOUT A MAGNIFYING GLASS. THIS MUSIC IS GREAT STUFF. I was very impressed with the way the music stood alone. I was taken by it. I don't know if this has been reproduced on the CD artwork, since I never looked at or bought a CD version of this, but there is a prose/poem without credit written under the track descriptions on the LP sleeve; 'In the bottomless silence. Without warning A curtain slowly ascends revealing A midnight dawn. A whisper of chill wind And white sun eclipsed by pale yellow moon. Rumor of distant thunder trembles along the edge of a galaxy Cascading down infinite corridors of burning mirrors reflecting and rereflecting momentous oceans of stampeding wild horses. Glass shatters, shrieks and spins away becoming clusters of starfall that scatter from hidden places. Pulsating. Relentless like a recurring nightmare. Centaurs throb within the blood crossing arteries of storming cavalries that crash though the top of your head Recycle and recur Again and again Reminding of white suns eclipsing oceans of stars shrieking through the midnight dawn. Never ending. Without warning.' Is this really as bad as I think it is? Who wrote this drivel? Somebody on drugs? And what the devil is it doing on this album jacket? It seems to have nothing to do with the music or the story. Was there some extra white space on the LP sleeve which needed to be filled?? No wait. Don't tell me. If, by any stretch of the imagination, this was done by anybody associated with Tangerine Dream, my opinion of these guys may suffer irreparable damage. If it was written by the above; best stick to music gentlemen. Words are not your forte. Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: TD Live Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...> >>Question : Has TD ever released any live albums? If so, which are they? >>With LIVE album I mean an official, legitimate release by TD that was >>recorded from playing in front of an audience, not a studio. >>Obviously 'Ricochet', 'Pergamon' and 'Livemiles' are either mostly studio >>or heavily overdubbed. The first part of Pergamon, in fact all of it except the guitar solo part, are almost exactly as played live. (At least if the boots of the show I have are anything to go by) If you listen closly, you will hear a *ping* sound at about the 30 second mark on the official release. This sound also occurrs on the bootlegs. >>Bob<< Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10913 TD Live Robert Forman Sun 2/8/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 11, 1997 1:19 am Subject: Sorcerer Really-From: Armin Theissen > I never saw the movie until last December when I caught it over the >Satellite Network. It amazed me how well it has remained current. Or maybe >it just looks like an art cinema piece now. It's photographed in a very > You know that the movie 'Sorcerer' is just a remake of the french classic 'Wages of Fear' (don't know the french original title)? I've seen Sorcerer, but long ago and my memory fades, but I've seen the french one again recently - its from the 50s - and this movie is really great, and, keeping in mind that it was made in the 50s, very brutal for its time. It is said that 'Wages of Fear' is way better than 'Sorcerer'. I cannot compare that now, but I think 'Wages of Fear' is hard to beat! > With mounting curiosity, I turned the record jacket over and saw this >ghostly photo of Froese, Franke, and Baumann on the rear. It was >dramatically side lit, and made them look like 'Gods Of Heavy Metal' (quotes >are mine) It's really a very stunning picture of the three of them. I > Yes, James Hatfield of Metallica reminds me at Froese on these pics (there are more pics in that style, for instance in the Virgin 70-80 box). Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 54 Re: Sorcerer Vincent Goudreault Fri 1/10/1997 3 KB 79 Re: Sorcerer Jim Moore Sun 1/12/1997 2 KB 82 Re: Sorcerer Marcel Engels Sun 1/12/1997 3 KB 83 Re: Sorcerer Vic Rek Sun 1/12/1997 2 KB 84 Re: Sorcerer Mark Filipak Sun 1/12/1997 3 KB 8569 Sorcerer Lawry Simm Mon 11/10/1997 2 KB 28923 Sorcerer rubyconist@y... Wed 9/5/2001 2 KB 28924 Re: Sorcerer Synthhtnys@a... Wed 9/5/2001 2 KB 28927 Re: Sorcerer Michael A Jean Wed 9/5/2001 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 6:11 pm Subject: Re: DREAM ROOTS is import-only, right? Really-From: Claude Roy At 00:06 97-01-10 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: paula@J... > > >Speaking of T-Dream 'incidental music', does anyone know if the >incidental tracks they did for the film 'Risky Business' are available >on the soundtrack LP?? If not, then perhaps on another disc of theirs >somewhere?? >/**********************************************************/ /* Paula */ /* paula@j... */ /* */ /* Sent from The Jungle Online */ /**********************************************************/ > > Hi paula Yes they are. The soundtrack music of TD is on it with a couple of songs from other artists. TD music on this soundtrack come from their Force Majeur studio album and from Tangram I think (not sure for the last one, it's been a while that I listen to it. They're a couple of track specially made from the film like Love on a Real train... ____________________________________ Claude Roy e-mail: Longueuil 'Beach' P.Q. Canada ____________________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 6:27 pm Subject: D: Next week Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Stratosfear Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 538 D: Next week Plumer, Scott Thu 1/30/1997 2 KB 700 D: Next week Plumer, Scott Fri 2/7/1997 2 KB 1870 D: Next week Plumer, Scott Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB 2020 D: Next week Plumer, Scott Fri 3/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 6:42 pm Subject: D:Sorcerer Really-From: Vic Rek Brief opinion on Sorcerer. In my top three list of favorite TD soundtracks, if not my favorite. The music fits the movie perfectly. A strong 4AS. I just watched the movie for probably the nineteenth time last night and I never get tired of it. It is an excellent movie. If you haven't seen it, rent the video. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 58 Re: D:Sorcerer Thomas B Fri 1/10/1997 2 KB 61 Re: D:Sorcerer Thomas B Fri 1/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 6:49 pm Subject: FROESE LPS Really-From: Michael A Jean AGES was released on Virgin... I've never seen Electronic Dreams on CD... I never noticed 'Epsilon..' being backwards, what are you talking about? :) Mike J Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 96 Re: FROESE LPS PhilPDX@a... Mon 1/13/1997 2 KB 100 Re: FROESE LPS Mark Filipak Mon 1/13/1997 3 KB 101 Re: FROESE LPS Hermes Guzman Mon 1/13/1997 2 KB 103 Re: FROESE LPS Hermes Guzman Mon 1/13/1997 3 KB 104 Re: FROESE LPS Marcel Engels Mon 1/13/1997 3 KB 177 Re: FROESE LPS PhilPDX@a... Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB 193 Re: FROESE LPS Vincent Goudreault Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 6:52 pm Subject: Re: Sorcerer Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jan 10, 6:19pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Sorcerer > Really-From: Armin Theissen > (...) > > You know that the movie 'Sorcerer' is just a remake of the french > classic 'Wages of Fear' (don't know the french original title)? I've The original french title was 'Le Salaire de la Peur', wich exactly translates to 'The Wages of Fear'. > seen Sorcerer, but long ago and my memory fades, but I've seen > the french one again recently - its from the 50s - and this movie > is really great, and, keeping in mind that it was made in the 50s, > very brutal for its time. It is said that 'Wages of Fear' is way > better than 'Sorcerer'. I cannot compare that now, but I think > 'Wages of Fear' is hard to beat! Perhaps, but the music in 'Sorcerer'... (...) > > Armin > C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 7:00 pm Subject: Sheperd's Bush CD Really-From: feldon@n... Sheperd's Bush has good music on it, but I'm not sure if it's $20 well spent especially since it's a studio recording. (And I know it's probably a little crazy, the technology exists to burn CDs on the fly, doesn't it? I mean, with TD's budget, they could have rented 500 or more CDR burners. Then I would have paid $50 for all three CDs of the concert... Please emphasize things like the fact that Sheperd's Bush CD is only 13 minutes long (especially when 'Yin Yang' recycles so many samples and drum seq's from Dream Mixes UK-2)... Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 333 Sheperd's Bush CD feldon@n... Wed 1/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: CELESTINE PROPHECY: only 1 good track! :( Really-From: Steven Feldman >Celestine Prophecy was <> >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:53:42 -0500 (EST) >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > >In a message dated 97-01-07 16:08:02 EST, you write: > ><< Can anyone recommend the Celestine Prophecy as that is available. > >[. . .] on the whole, I'd say that it's a masterwork of style and >composition. Carries the concept quite effectively, if you're into >that type of thing; The Celestine Prophecy, that is. Yes, it *is* well-produced and blends together well as a unit, but so do George Michael and Michael Bolton albums. :( ;) Despite the nice aural craftsmanship, THE CELESTINE PROPHECY is mostly pabulum of a very watery consistency. (Amusing double metaphor, that. Hee hee.) If not for the great 'Confrontation,' which is sorta like KLEMANIA meets Enigma's 'The Age of Innocence,' this CD is pukesville: worse by far than the more cloying stuff on PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY. My advice: if you find THE CELESTINE PROPHECY in a used bin a few years from now for, say, $4.00, buy it for the one track. By the way, I *am* into some New Age music *and* New Age philosophies--but that doesn't excuse smarmy drivel like this Franke CD. -- Steven Feldman & Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 66 Re: CELESTINE PROPHECY: only 1 good track! :( Matt Williams Sun 1/12/1997 4 KB 70 Re: CELESTINE PROPHECY: only 1 good track! :( John Battema Sun 1/12/1997 3 KB 80 Re: CELESTINE PROPHECY: only 1 good track! :( Jim Moore Sun 1/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: ToB CD-I & DREAM ROOTS from Minette Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: oasis, TOB CDI >Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:56:56 -0500 (EST) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) > >TOB CDI >A clarification is in order also, the other day I stated that I was >having trouble getting any info from minette music about the TOB CDI. >Dave called me the next day and said he was processing my order then >so it appears they still have copies of the CDI. He says it also >includes the magazine although they are shipped under separate cover. He called me back the other day, too. He said that he had only three copies of the TYRANNY OF BEAUTY CD-I left, but that he would be re-ordering. Just the same, though, he didn't know if and when he would be told that there were no more left from his contact in Europe (or was it Italy?). Also, he said that he was accepting orders for DREAM ROOTS at $45.00 until (I think he said) January 31st, after which the set will be priced at $55.00. (He hasn't received any copies from the UK yet. That's why he's accepting orders rather than taking/filling them.) Just though that some of you folks would like to know. :) -- Steven Feldman & From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 7:29 pm Subject: Re: D:Sorcerer Really-From: 'Thomas B' Dreamers >Subject: D:Sorcerer >Really-From: Vic Rek >Brief opinion on Sorcerer. >In my top three list of favorite TD soundtracks, if not my favorite. >The music fits the movie perfectly. [snip] And it was great when they performed parts of it to the Sorcerer film footage for the Music in the Movies Mill Valley Film Festival benefit at the Warfield Theatre years ago, too. --Thomas B. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Where on the Web is the tadream FAQ??? Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: 'Glue Sounds' on TD CD-I 'Catwalk' >Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:22:56 -0500 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >>Really-From: Steven Feldman > >> 'Glue sounds'? Wha . . .? Care to elucidate? > >Read the January FAQ... Anyone care to tell me the URL for the tadream archives and FAQ sites. I tried a search via Metacrawler and couldn't locate it/ them. -- Steven Feldman & Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 67 Re: Where on the Web is the tadream FAQ??? Hermes Guzman Sun 1/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Good Vocal Tracks on SHY PEOPLE! Really-From: Steven Feldman >D:shy people >Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:11:07 -0500 (EST) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) > >D:shy people 3AS (but a high 3as!) > >[. . .] I jumped at the chance to buy it when I was in London. [. . .] I would have, too, considering that the UK release has a different cover! (A boat rather than a montage of people, right?) >I find it very similar in style and quality with heartbreakers [. . .] I never thought of it that way, but now that you mention it, that comparison does indeed have merit--even though the quieter parts of SHY PEOPLE are more like MIRACLE MILE than HEARTBREAKERS. Hmmm, and and vocal version of the title track to SHY PEOPLE is also somewhat in the MIRACLE MILE style. >[. . .] (and this coming from a guy whose favorite track is cloudburst >flight!) [. . .] Mine is 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' (same album)! :) :) :) >[. . .] I even (gasp) love the vocals [. . .] In fact, I'd have to >say that the vocal tracks on this album are probably among TD's very >best tracks with vocals [. . .] True. In fact, I think 'The Harbor,' which has a *male* vocal track, is the best of the three--insofar as it kicks ass--somewhat like the Chris Franke track off the '70-'80 box set, 'Chimes and Chains.' Perhaps I should be embarrassed, but the *instrumental* version of the title track almost brings a tear to my eye in its beauty insofar as it is similar to the beauty of 'Yellowstone Park' (off the LE PARC album). Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Emdreams, CNI News, Contact ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Forum, _PEER_ Perspectives, ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ the Nausicaa list, Tadream, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ & Hong Kong Film Connection ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: sfeldman@v... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 7:28 pm Subject: Re: D:Sorcerer Really-From: 'Thomas B' Dreamers >Subject: D:Sorcerer >Really-From: Vic Rek >Brief opinion on Sorcerer. >In my top three list of favorite TD soundtracks, if not my favorite. >The music fits the movie perfectly. [snip] And it was great when they performed parts of it to the Sorcerer film footage for the Music in the Movies Mill Valley Film Festival benefit at the Warfield Theatre years ago, too. --Thomas B. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 8:10 pm Subject: Where on the Web is the tadream FAQ??? -Reply Really-From: florin epure > Anyone care to tell me the URL for the tadream archives and >FAQ sites. I tried a search via Metacrawler and couldn't locate it/ >them. Tadream archives URL is http://ftp.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/tadream/ Florin. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Backwards 'Maroubra Bay' on EPSILON Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: FROESE LPS >Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:49:24 -0600 (CST) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Michael A Jean > >I've never seen Electronic Dreams on CD... > >I never noticed 'Epsilon..' being backwards, what are you talking >about? :) Whoops, my mistake: it's *'Maroubra Bay'* that's backwards. It's not a joke. Go play the version on EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE, then play the same track from ELECTRONIC DREAMS: the track was recorded backwards! By this, I mean to say that the first sound on the original LP is the last sound on the compilation record--and the last sound on the original LP is the first sound on the compilation record. And if that weren't enough--*both* versions sound good! I suspect that's how or why the mistake was made!!! -- Steven Feldman & From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 8:07 pm Subject: Info on Sorcerer Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Here is some extra info on Sorcerer. Mark, you can skip this. Sorcerer is the first Soundtrack for an american movie. In 1975 TD had met Friedkin in Munchen with the premiere of The Exorcist. In March and April 1976 TD finished a 90 minutes tape, which would be used in the movie. The way in which the music is added with the movie is a very interesting one and has never done before or after this experiment. They placed very big speakers in the jungle and at the same time of shooting a scene they played the music. Today, of course, they add the music later. For me the music is very interesting. Not as good as the regular albums by that time but still better then what they now. High 3AS (by the way, if anyone has this 90 min. tape? I would be very interested!) Marcel Engels fsp@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 65 Re: Info on Sorcerer Vic Rek Sun 1/12/1997 2 KB 74 Re: Info on Sorcerer Mark Filipak Sun 1/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 11:11 pm Subject: Re: Info on Sorcerer Really-From: Vic Rek > Really from: Marcel Engels' >They placed very big speakers in the jungle and at the >same time of shooting a scene they played the music. >Today, of course, they add the music later. 'They' (I assume) are the film crew. This is interesting to me and the first time I've heard this. Where was this documented? >(by the way, if anyone has this 90 min. tape? > I would be very interested!) Me too. Vic > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: CELESTINE PROPHECY: only 1 good track! :( Really-From: Matt Williams >Really-From: Steven Feldman >>Celestine Prophecy was <> >>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >>Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:53:42 -0500 (EST) >>Really-From: PNaunton@a... >> >>In a message dated 97-01-07 16:08:02 EST, you write: >> >><< Can anyone recommend the Celestine Prophecy as that is available. >> >>[. . .] on the whole, I'd say that it's a masterwork of style and >>composition. Carries the concept quite effectively, if you're into >>that type of thing; The Celestine Prophecy, that is. > Yes, it *is* well-produced and blends together well as a unit, >but so do George Michael and Michael Bolton albums. :( ;) > Despite the nice aural craftsmanship, THE CELESTINE PROPHECY >is mostly pabulum of a very watery consistency. (Amusing double >metaphor, that. Hee hee.) If not for the great 'Confrontation,' >which is sorta like KLEMANIA meets Enigma's 'The Age of Innocence,' >this CD is pukesville: worse by far than the more cloying stuff on >PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY. > My advice: if you find THE CELESTINE PROPHECY in a used bin >a few years from now for, say, $4.00, buy it for the one track. > By the way, I *am* into some New Age music *and* New Age >philosophies--but that doesn't excuse smarmy drivel like this >Franke CD. > -- Steven Feldman & > Don't listen to him!! The Celestine Prophecy is a truely beautiful album which ranks as one of Frankes best!...I recently brought the book 'The Celestine Prophecy' and found it an enjoyable read....I would say 'The Celestine Prophecy' is further proof that C.Franke is willing to make albums that don't sound like his previous album and I like that. Matt..... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 11, 1997 12:23 am Subject: Re: Where on the Web is the tadream FAQ??? Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Anyone care to tell me the URL for the tadream archives and >FAQ sites. I tried a search via Metacrawler and couldn't locate it/ >them. The TaDream list FAQ is located at: http://ftp.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/tadream/ However, I was referring to the new monthly FAQ that was (and will be every month) posted to this list on Monday. If you didn't see it, and/or you didn't save it, I would be happy to send it to you (personally, not the list!) again. goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: *Klaus Schulze concert CANCELLED* Really-From: Matt Williams >Really-From: Peter Ravn >Sorry for the non-TD content ;-) >The Klaus Schulze concert in Babelsberg planned for 20 Jan 1997 is > cancelled due to technical reasons. >Information obtained from KDM and the Klaus Schulze home page. >Kind regards, >Peter Ravn Well at least no one will be wasting any money on Schulze tickets.....sorry I still have sour grapes after the 'Derby Event' last year ;). Matt...... ------------- Matt Williams ------------- * matt@s... * * * * irc nicks: draft or jos * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 11, 1997 1:28 am Subject: RE: January FAQ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! >>3) TYRANNY OF BEAUTY CD-I >>webpage...), two videos ('Three Bikes in the Sky' and 'Stratosfear 95') and > >Just a nitpick: the two videos are 'Melrose' and 'Stratosfear '95'. Uhhh...hmmmmm...oops. #@^%*!! They said the Actifed would help to clear my head! You're correct, it is 'Melrose'. For some unknown reason I was thinking about the _Three Phase_ video when I typed that! Next time I'll let my wife proofread my stuff when I'm sick! Humble apologies, and I'll correct it on the FAQ. Thanks! goozer (who is feeling _much_ better now! 8 P From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 11, 1997 3:51 am Subject: RE: CELESTINE PROPHECY: only 1 good track! :( Really-From: John Battema Hi there Steve Feldman said: { Yes, it *is* well-produced and blends together well as a unit, but so do George Michael and Michael Bolton albums. :( ;) Despite the nice aural craftsmanship, THE CELESTINE PROPHECY is mostly pabulum of a very watery consistency. (Amusing double metaphor, that. Hee hee.) If not for the great 'Confrontation,' which is sorta like KLEMANIA meets Enigma's 'The Age of Innocence,' this CD is pukesville: worse by far than the more cloying stuff on PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY. My advice: if you find THE CELESTINE PROPHECY in a used bin a few years from now for, say, $4.00, buy it for the one track. By the way, I *am* into some New Age music *and* New Age philosophies--but that doesn't excuse smarmy drivel like this Franke CD. } I personally thought The Celestine Prophecy is quite an excellent work; even prompted me to go out and pick up a few of CF's other CDs I'd been overlooking for some time. I guess 'smarmy drivel' is my sort of thing. Apparently a copy of the Shepard's Bush CD arrived at my house today, but the UPS man wouldn't leave it, so I'll have to wait 'til Monday to actually get it. Slight off-topic: I'd reccomend the new Vangelis album Oceanic to TD fans. There's some sequence-style stuff that pops up on the middle songs that could make TD green with envy (IMHO). Adios, jpb -- Steven Feldman & From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 11, 1997 4:41 am Subject: Electronic Dreams Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: paula@J... > > The 'Electronic Dreams' LP is available on CD, on Relativity if I'm not > mistaken. > /**********************************************************/ > /* Paula */ > /* paula@j... */ > /* */ > /* Sent from The Jungle Online */ > /**********************************************************/ Hi Paula, I don't mean to be a doubter, but I keep hearing about this album and I'm beginning to believe it doesn't exist. I have never seen it, it is not listed in Dave Datta's discography or in Klaus' boot list (not that it should be). What do I have on it? ELECTRONIC DREAMS ?- ???... [??:??] ... <<---track numbers, titles, times ?LP [1975] Brain-DE- 0040 18 all from hearsay. Does anyone actually have this album? If so, what's on it? Information please, so we can all know and all live in the light and be of the light and be one in the knowledge of the Light and ... oh dash it all. np: Mahavishnu/McLaughlin - 'The Inner Mounting Flame' good ole sh*t. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 78 Re: Electronic Dreams John Battema Sun 1/12/1997 2 KB 110 Re: Electronic Dreams rch@g... Mon 1/13/1997 2 KB 115 Re: Electronic Dreams PENFOLD Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB 9803 Electronic Dreams Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Mon 1/5/1998 4 KB 9805 Re: Electronic Dreams Vincent Goudreault Mon 1/5/1998 3 KB 9840 Re: Electronic Dreams Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Wed 1/7/1998 4 KB 9807 Re: Electronic Dreams TWeibre361 Mon 1/5/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 11, 1997 5:04 am Subject: CDs at cost Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi fellow dreamers, I have 14 CDs on reserve at a used record store until 6AM GMT Sunday. Here is a list. in USA to Int. (all tax & shipping is included) ------ ------ 1- $12.25 $13.75 'Zentrum fur Elektronische Musik' Pete Namlook 2- $10.10 $11.60 'The Way Out Is The Way In' Audio Active and Laraaji 3- $12.25 $13.75 'Drive Inn' Schulze/Bloss 4- $11.18 $12.68 'City Raga' Popol Vuh 5- $15.48 $16.98 'Concert Program' 2CD Penguin Cafe Orchestra 6- $5.80 $7.30 'In The Beginning' Hawkwind (early comp?) 7- $9.03 $10.53 'Earthwalk' Max Lasser's Ark 8- $7.95 $9.45 'Tycho Brahe' Lightwave (including Paul Haslinger) 9- $7.95 $9.45 'Grand Eagle' Ed Van Fleet 10- $7.95 $9.45 'Oceans' Ed Van Fleet 11- $7.95 $9.45 'Moonlight Reflections' Dancing Fantasy 12- $7.95 $9.45 'Day Dream' Dancing Fantasy (I failed to note the price of these next two, but they are comparable) 13- 'New Music for Films, Vol 1' Chris Franke 14- 'Miramar Ten' Miramar Sampler Includes Oriental Haze [3:53] from Rockoon Special plus Jan Hammer, Rich Burmer, Paul Speer, John Serrie,... (nobody obnoxious, no cheese) If you want any of these contact me off-list. The prices above will put them in a box, through the post, and into your hands. Why would I bother? More on my motives later. I will open all these (most are already open but some are still in shrinkwrap), and play them to make sure they are okay. They all look great but you never know. Cheers, Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 11, 1997 6:19 am Subject: Orb-TD & Kraftwerk is back!! (In/ Off Topic) Really-From: carmarti@i... (Carlos Alberto Martinez Salas) Hi! Talking about The Orb meets Tangerine Dream, I visited Siren Discs site, and in its very useful and nice Future Releases section (http://sirencd.com/tfuture.htm) found this: < Dream Sequence (2 CD) CD $12.99 146 minutes of Trance from the Orb, Loop Guru, Timeshard & more. Double cd flipcase package. Release Date: 13-Jan-97 > Sounds familiar? BUT... why in the Orb's pages doesn't say a word about this (remixing TD)? AND... I've read somewhere in the net a VERY interesting thing: (my beloved) Kraftwerk is back with a (yet untitled) single from the equal untitled album. Source: CDEurope and a couple of postings in usenet. I thought it would be a rumour, but CDEurope even has it on listings. It would be very interesting what Kraftwerk has to offer in these 90s... Hasta la vista! Carlos A. Martinez Monterrey, Mexico home (at nights)......... carmarti@i... work (Tue-Sat)............. cmartine@e... oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 11, 1997 5:56 am Subject: Re: Info on Sorcerer Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > Here is some extra info on Sorcerer. > Mark, you can skip this. > > Sorcerer is the first Soundtrack for an american > movie. > In 1975 TD had met Friedkin in Munchen with > the premiere of The Exorcist. > In March and April 1976 TD finished a 90 minutes > tape, which would be used in the movie. > The way in which the music is added with the movie > is a very interesting one and has never done before > or after this experiment. > They placed very big speakers in the jungle and at the > same time of shooting a scene they played the music. > Today, of course, they add the music later. > > For me the music is very interesting. Not as good as the > regular albums by that time but still better then what they > now. High 3AS > > (by the way, if anyone has this 90 min. tape? > I would be very interested!) > > Marcel Engels > fsp@p... Why can I skip it. I wanna play too. Good info as always. Now I know the month (April) that the tape was finished (I won't ask your source, Marcel). This puts 'Sorcerer' before 'Ricochet,' it puts it before 'Epsilon In Malasian Pale' as well -- my discography is based on performance date, not release date. Based on the release of the movie and the notes from Friedkin, I figured late summer of 75, but April ... is what it is. Thanks. I would love to get my hands of this tape as well !!!!!!!!! Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 11, 1997 5:47 am Subject: Re: Two boots Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! >Really-From: Paul Edwards > >1. Re 'Patrolling Space Borders' -- what content is on this disc, from what >era does it come, and what is the sound quality like? > >2. What was the name of that Logos-really-live disc that was mentioned here >some months ago, and again, what's the sound quality like on it? Two quick answers: 1) _Patrolling..._ is from the CHOM-FM broadcast of the Montreal '77 show. It contains 73:20 of the concert; some of the pieces are full sets, others just the highlight. The sound quality is good, but I have heard better. And for those of you who have heard the 'original' tapes from this broadcast; yes, the annoying DJ comments are still present! 2) The name of this particular item is _Logotypes_. It is a CD-R of a studiotape from the rehearsals for the '82 UK Tour. It contains the entire first set and about 2/3 of the second set. The sound quality is good, although the sourcetape had a little flutter in the the first set and some unfortunate edits in the second set. goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 98 Re: Two boots PhilPDX@a... Mon 1/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 10, 1997 2:28 pm Subject: Re: orb remix TD Really-From: 'R.A.Seed' > THE ORB/TANGERINE DREAM Collaboration! > > Mid of February 'Towards the evening Star' will be released as a 8 minute Club > Mix and a 4 minutes Radio Edit. The whole Studio Session was done in London by > The Orb. This is the first time TD has given anybody a Multitrack Master to > work > from. Both versions will be released through Castle Communications in Europe > and > the U.S. OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now this sounds real intresting! cant wait to get my little grubby hands on this little gem :) Rob From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush Encore (tadream-digest V15 #795) Really-From: spride@c... (Simon Pride) In-Reply-To: <199701050802.CAA19936@c...> > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 04:46:32 -0800 > Subject: Shepherds Bush Encore > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > I was doing a search for something else and ran across this from just > after the concert. > > On Fri Nov 29 21:16:26 1996, Craig R. J. Cordrey wrote (in part): > > - -snip- > > > And of course, the encore. Well, who would have thought > > they would all turned up just to appear in the last > > half-hour? Great to see all the old enemies(?) together > > again. > > - -snip- > > > Anyway, just like to say 'Thanks' to the New Dream (as > > their now called), and here's to another twenty-five years. > > - -snip- > > I remember that when I saw this post from Craig, I hoped someone would > add the details. I don't recall it coming up again. > > What 'old enemies(?) together again?' And what do you mean 'New Dream > (as their now called)?' Have I been sleeping and does everybody > (anybody?) know what Craig is talking about? > > > (confused) > > Mark It was a joke posted before the concert to wind-up (I suspect) those like me who didn't bother going to the concert on the grounds that it wasn't 'real TD'. The idea was that we'd miss Franke and Baumann appearing there, etc. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 11, 1997 2:44 pm Subject: RE: Electronic Dreams Really-From: John Battema Hi there; Paula wasn't sure whether Electronic Dreams exists or not. I've seen it twice now on LP at a record convention that comes through town every six months or so. I picked up Froese's Solo 74-79 from the same convention, but never bothered picking up ED. adios jpb From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 11, 1997 7:24 pm Subject: RE: Sorcerer Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: Vic Rek >I just watched the movie for probably the nineteenth time last night and I >never get tired of it. It is an excellent movie. If you haven't seen it, >rent the video. I just have one question about this movie (It's in my top ten list as well): Does man we see at the first of the movie (the assassin) show up in town because (a) he is running away from the last job he undertook or (b) to kill the German (which he does)? - jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 11, 1997 7:33 pm Subject: RE: CELESTINE PROPHECY: only 1 good track! :( Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: Matt Williams > Don't listen to him!! > The Celestine Prophecy is a truely beautiful album which ranks as one of >Frankes best!...I recently brought the book 'The Celestine Prophecy' and >found it an enjoyable read... Careful, Matt! You're not helping the argument; After getting the album, I picked up the book out of curiousity and found it to be one of the worst pieces of literature I've ever read. I really couldn't make it through the first couple of chapters... While I enjoy much of the album, I'm really disappointed to find Franke so entranced with the book; there are certainly better means of inspirations out there. - jimbo *---------------------------------------------------------------------------* *'...I'll step out of these wet clothes, | jimbo@v... * * and into a dry martini...' | James Frederick Moore * * -- Bugs Bunny (as Groucho Marx) | *---------------------------------------------------------------------------* From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 11, 1997 7:15 pm Subject: RE: Phaedra: Tangents.... Really-From: Jim Moore Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > 2) The version in >question on _Tangents_ is from the Dallas '88 concert, as has been reported >in various interviews and other articles. Such as the 'Schwingungen' >program from 2/23/89, where it was first premiered. Maybe the other DJ >was...confused? ; ) YES! Dallas! I was there! Hoo hoo! (Sorry, a shining moment in my life and I had to plug it!) - jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 11, 1997 5:07 pm Subject: Re: Sorcerer Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' I got the info on The Sorcerer and a lot of more info from a book called: Elektronische Musik-Tage Berlin 1988 (Electronic Music-Days Berlin 1988) which has a large and very detailed history of the band. As well as a short discrographie and bootleg-session. With Voices in the Dunes you only get info on the release-nrs. With this book they tell you how a record was done and when and why etc. It has a lot of b/w pictures of Froese, Franke, Baumann, The Ones, TD with Hoenig, Joliffe+Kruger, Schmoelling, Haslinger, Wadephul. The list goes from 1968 till 1988. Lots of treasures inside, such as the text of Lady Greengrass from the Ones/Froese 1967. It is probably out of print, but I give you the nrs of the book: ISBN 3 - 925410 - 16 - 3 It's 124 pages thick and I will not copy it! Marcel Engels fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 11, 1997 5:41 pm Subject: RE: Sorcerer Really-From: Vic Rek At 11:24 AM 1/11/97 -0800, you wrote: >Really-From: Jim Moore > >I just have one question about this movie (It's in my top ten list as >well): Does man we see at the first of the movie (the assassin) show >up in town because (a) he is running away from the last job he >undertook or (b) to kill the German (which he does)? > I'd say both so he could get the man's airline ticket and also finish off his scotch and grab a spare pack of cigarettes... Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 11, 1997 5:54 pm Subject: Re: Sorcerer Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > I got the info on The Sorcerer and a lot of > more info from a book called: > Elektronische Musik-Tage Berlin 1988 > > (Electronic Music-Days Berlin 1988) > > which has a large and very detailed history of the band. > As well as a short discrographie and bootleg-session. > With Voices in the Dunes you only get info on the > release-nrs. With this book they tell you how a record > was done and when and why etc. > > It has a lot of b/w pictures of Froese, Franke, Baumann, > The Ones, TD with Hoenig, Joliffe+Kruger, Schmoelling, > Haslinger, Wadephul. The list goes from 1968 till 1988. > Lots of treasures inside, such as the text of Lady Greengrass > from the Ones/Froese 1967. > > It is probably out of print, but I give you the nrs of the book: > > ISBN 3 - 925410 - 16 - 3 > > It's 124 pages thick and I will not copy it! > > Marcel Engels > fsp@p... Hi Marcel, What language is 'Elektronische Musik-Tage Berlin 1988' printed in? (I would assume, German, but it doesn't hurt to ask.) How much of the 124 pages are devoted to TD? Who wrote it? Thanks, Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 11, 1997 6:59 pm Subject: Re: Elektr. Musik... Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Yep, it's in German. For me it's not difficult to translate, cause it's my neighbour-country and I had it on school. About 70 pages are devoted to TD. The first 50 pages or so are info on synthesizers (very interesting) from Telharmonium till masterkeyboard. Very nice pics of Moog Modular, Arp synths, EMS synthies etc. It's written by Lutz Manthe (don't know him). Some example of whats inside: Did you know that Cloudburst Flight was used as the background-music with an Italian weather-forecast show? Or that when the Poland-Concert just started the power went down and it took a few hours to get started again? Considering it was freezing cold (10 december) this wasn't a pleasure for the people who went to see the show. (I really wanted to be there too!). Bye! Marcel Engels fsp@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 86 Re: Elektr. Musik... Pixel Mon 1/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 12:20 pm Subject: Re: Elektr. Musik... Really-From: Pixel > Did you know that Cloudburst Flight was used as > the background-music with an Italian weather-forecast show? At our national television there are a few TD-minded guy too which caused lots of TD-background music for programmes especially in the 80s. For example Choronzon was the title music of the leading political show called Panorama which had a great role against the communists with some famous scandals like having an interview with Dubcek in '87. GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 2:55 am Subject: Re: d:risky business Really-From: David Datta In article <5b9hn9$qac$1@n...> you wrote: : Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) : Track 6 - 0:11 (?) This track would be called 'Catching the Egg', it is in the movie when he is catching the crystal egg that Guido's girl throws from the truck. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 88 Re: d:risky business Hermes Guzman Mon 1/13/1997 3 KB 102 Re: d:risky business Hermes Guzman Mon 1/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 1:00 am Subject: Re: d:risky business Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! Sorry I'm a month late on this, Lars. >Hermes, do you know if there is enough material in the sound kit for this? Not really. The additional material from the soundkit, not including the Franke interview, comes to only 11:21. And only four of the eight tracks are completley new. They are all, however, taken directly from the film cut of the music as provided to the studio by TD. The tracks are listed only as Track1 ~ Track 8; I've included times as well as known titles: Track 1 - 1:21 No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) Track 2 - 1:46 Lana Track 3 - 3:04 Guido the Killer Pimp Track 4 - 0:30 (Porche Plunge I) Track 5 - 0:24 (Porche Plunge II) Track 6 - 0:11 (?) Track 7 - 0:57 Sobornost extract Track 8 - 3:08 Love on a Real Train So if you add just the 2:02 of unreleased tracks to the 17:49 found on the CD, you only have 19:51 of total music. And the only 'real' track of those is the 'Sobornost' extract. The other three are little more than sound effects. And, yes, that is yet _another_ version of 'Love...'! I think I'll collect all 11 versions and put 'em on a...well...never mind! ; ) goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 11, 1997 10:42 pm Subject: FAQ- TD: Live or Memorex... Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! >Question : Has TD ever released any live albums? If so, which are they? >With LIVE album I mean an official, legitimate release by TD that was >recorded from playing in front of an audience, not a studio. and... >The first part of Pergamon, in fact all of it except the guitar solo part, are >almost exactly as played live. (At least if the boots of the show I have are >anything to go by) If you listen closly, you will hear a *ping* sound at about >the 30 second mark on the official release. This sound also occurrs on the >bootlegs. I posted the following as a mini-FAQ back in March, at the end of my first huge diatribe on the list! ; ) I'll just make a few minor additions. ; ) And, there is a special surprise at the end of this missive; miss it at your peril! ===TD LIVE FAQ=== Is it live, or is it Memorex? ALL TD concerts have had at least a little studio work done to them, ranging from simple master fades to complete resequencing; some are in fact entirely a studio creation! In order of appearance: _RICOCHET_- The live album _Ricochet_ was created by editing and mixing together Edgar's hotel studio piano solo at the beginning of 'Ricochet pt. 2' with either 40 hrs. of material from various venues from the '75 Europe Tour, or from the Coventry, Croydon and Reims shows specifically (it depends on which of the various promotional statements and interviews given at the time that you hear or read.) In any event, the drums that are present on the recording are a studio creation added as an embellishment during the editing stage. Unless the _specific_ shows mentioned above featured them (I haven't heard 2 of the three...) as _taped_ accompaniment (you can hear the drums _fade_ in and out of 'Ricochet pt. 1), this seems very unlikely. Which then brings up the point that Christoph really _didn't_ put his drums away after _Atem_... _ENCORE_- The first North American tour from TD in 1977 provided fans with another wonderful live album, with the added bonus that this time it really was live! Only very minor studio work was performed on this (really just edits and fades), as evidenced by several of the fantapes from the tour (specifically the Santa Monica and DC dates.) Although the recording seems rough (which to my ears just reinforces the point), this remains the closest thing to a perfect representation of what a TD concert had to offer. _PERGAMON_ (A.K.A. _QUICHOTTE_)- While there is basically no difference between the two shows performed that day (at least as far as I have been able to determine among all my various fantapes/LP's/CD's of the shows), they remain unique among the shows from '80. This show was performed excclusively for the E. Berlin audience (and, of course, whoever was listening on the radio), despite what some have said about hearing it in '80, '81 or wherever. The first set (Evening TT: 37:27) opens with white/pink noise generators and sfx (4:30), and then segues into what was essentially an edited preview of _Tangram_ (11:20), which had yet to be released, and then moves into a long sequencer-oriented piece (21:37), similar to (but _not_ the same as) the second half of the second set ('Quichotte pt.2'). The afternoon version of this set was originally issued as _Staatsgrenze West_, with part of the wonderful encore track to tease us. The second set provided the raw material for _Quichotte_/_Pergamon_. Part of the contract for TD's performance in E. Berlin was to have it broadcast by State-run Radio and TV stations, with the stipulations that the album release be different from the broadcast, and not available on a western label for 6 years. So what you hear on _Quichotte_ is not really the set as performed at all; Pt. 1 is essentially the same, with the odd difference here and there. The 'Maelstrom' link segment between the two parts is exactly the same. Pt. 2, however, is a studio creation based on ideas of the last halves of Set 1 and Set 2, with the basic sequencer stucture and guitar solo being entirely a studio creation. For the re-release as _Pergamon_, the band simply added a (very) little more to the end of Pt. 2. There is also a 12 min. encore that is the highlight of the whole show, IMVHO. Unfortunately, it hasn't appeared on any bootleg in its full length...yet. ; ) _LOGOS_- This gets the first runner-up award in the 'Released As Performed' catagory! _Logos_ is essentialy comprised of the second set from the '82 UK Tour, plus one of the encores, 'Dominion'. Why I say _essentially_ is due to the fact that the first 6:45 is an ever-so-slight remix of the first 6:45 of the actual first set opening, which is in place of the actual second set opener, 'Mojave Plan - Canyon Part' (and before _anyone_ asks: no, not the _Tangents_ version; the second half of the _White Eagle_ version!) and a short linking piece (the terrorists' 'Harbor Entry' music from the film The Soldier.) This was probably done so that the entire release would be comprised of new material only, while retaining most of the integrity of the second set. As it happens, they could have released set one and achieved the same result by merely replacing 'Choronzon' with an equivalent segment from set two; there are an additional 23 minutes from this set that have never been _officially_ released! The boot CD-R _Logotypes_ does contain this material, though. _POLAND_- This gets the second runner-up award in the 'Released As Performed' (only because _Logos_ came out first!) This CD (make sure you get the Relativity 2 CD set!) is _this close_ to being a truly accurate representation of the '83 Poland Tour, and the Warsaw Concert specifically. The changes in the material from the show to the disc were done for two reasons: sound quality limitations of vinyl meant reducing the lenghth of some of the segments, and the power kept going out during the concert! About 8 minutes was edited from 'Poland' alone! However, the essence of the concert remains on the official release, as the edited material was just extensions of the themes and some of the bridge material. _LIVEMILES_- More like _Studiomiles_! I know what the liner notes say. I know what the Official Homepage says. But I also know that what my own ears are telling me is quite a different thing! Having been present at the Alberquerque concert, and in possesion of a fantape of said show, I can unequivocately state with absolute accuracy that _not_one_single_bit_ of 'Livemiles: Alberquerque' was performed at that concert! It has _got_ to be a studio session! Either that or the soundcheck was _really_ something! If you have the _Sonambulistic Imagery_ boot, then you essentially know the entire tour program, including the Alberquerque show. The only real differences were in the guitar solos. Although for some dates, 'Dominion' replaced 'Bois de Boulogne' As for 'Livemiles: Berlin', it, too, is not what it seems. This was a special concert contracted by the City of Berlin for the 750th anniversary celebration, which holds the performance rights to this concert. The concert was performed on Aug. 1, '87, and eventually broadcast on Oct. 22 that same year, after some _slight_ studio work was done to it. In order to release it for _Livemiles_, however, the band had to completely reperform the material chosen for the CD, due to the contract with the city. The opening track, 'Sunnyvale', is pretty faithful to the concert version, with just some minor voiceing changes. Ditto the second track, 'Caspian Sea'. However, the last track, 'Dolphin Dance', is a totally different version of what was performed. The version as played in the concert was the same version as the '86 UK/US Tours. This entire concert can be found on the boots _Antarktis_/_20th Century Serenades_ in absolutely great quality. _220 VOLT LIVE_- This disc captures the essence of the '92 Tour quite well. In the original press releases for _220_, it was stated that there would be _78_ minutes of never before released music on the disc. Indeed, there were eleven new tracks, approximately 78 minutes of new music, performed on the tour, minus all the bridges and links, of course. But by the time it was finally released, it lost two tracks and over 5 minutes! Nine of the eleven new tracks are present, the exceptions being 'Opening' [4:32] (the opening of the set 1) and 'Story of the Brave' [3:40] (the opening of set 2). Those tracks are replaced by 'Treasure of Innocence' [3:41], a studio track. Since the disc clocks in at 72:42, you can do the math and come to a reasonable hypothesis to explain the _how_ of the difference, but not the _why_. As of this writing, I still don't know. The individual tracks are basically as performed (only the guitar and sax parts varied slightly from show to show, but not by much!), but the order of the songs was changed. And of course that necessitated new bridge music for the resequences. There is a rumoured boot of the entire Ventura show, called _Electric Rockoon_, but it seems not to have been released yet. ===END=== And now for a contest! There are _technically_ two more concerts that can be listed above, and indeed may be in a future update. Only the current lack of the complete material kept me from including them (after all, I shouldn't write about things I don't posess!); this will be corrected, however. Guess which two they are... HINT: Although seperated by over 15 years, they have link in the songs performed. To win, be the first person to name both the concerts _AND_ the song. Also, please list your favorite live release. The winner will receive a very interesting and rare prize! Deadline for entries is Saturday, January 18. If there is no winner, I probably should have given a better hint. Certain members of this list are excluded from winning (you know who you are!) to make it challenging. No purchase necessary. All rebates to dealer. See store for details. E Pluribus Unum. 8 P goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 256 Re: FAQ- TD: Live or Memorex... Francisco Salgado C. Fri 1/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 7:11 am Subject: TD and Olympics Really-From: Steve Quinney I watched the opening ceremonies of the olympics in Atlanta this last past summer and noticed that they played at least 2 different CD tracks that were repeated at least 3 times while the atheletes were entering the stadium. I asked a guy in a local record store if there was a compilation of the Atlanta music but he didn't know of any.He did recall an olympic album made for another olympics '84 or '86 maybe where they had recorded an original piece. Does anyone know if this is true and if so was it any good ?It was supposedly released on vynal at the time. Does anyone know where it could be found? Steve Quinney Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 128 Re: TD and Olympics sean Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 9:03 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #802 Really-From: AslanFan1@a... Having been present at the AlbUquerque concert, and in possesion of a fantape of said show, I can unequivocately state with absolute accuracy that _not_one_single_bit_ of 'Livemiles: Alberquerque' was performed at that concert! It has _got_ to be a studio session! Hear Hear! I was there, and the disc ain't what was played. I'd appreciate any help in finding a recording of what was actually played, as it was all time fave performance. I once asked Paul haslinger about it and he kind of muttered something about legal tie ups. The spanish intro never happened, either! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: RE. Rolling Stone Reader's Poll Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (peter stoeferle) >From Tadream Mailing List #800: >>> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>> They have a category for electronic music in their poll, and guess who finished first? Nope. It was someone named 'Tricky.' TD didn't even make it at all. Hi Dreamers, glad to hear that they had an electronic music section in their poll at all. The German issue of 'Rolling Stone' not even had such a category. Perhaps the editors of the magazine think, 'electronic' music does not exist in Germany. If you read the magazine carefully, you will see that they probably do not take 'electronic' bands like TD for serious because they have *totally* ignored this kind of music for years in articles and concert reviews. It is simply tooooooo far away from goooood old Rock'n'Roll... In the poll, there is only *one* person to be found who is worth being mentioned here: In the 'best musician/national' category, on rank 7, you will find Holger Czukay. Who....?!? Ah, remember the band Can. Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 125 Re: RE. Rolling Stone Reader's Poll TWeibre361@a... Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 133 Re: RE. Rolling Stone Reader's Poll Plumer, Scott Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB 135 Re: RE. Rolling Stone Reader's Poll Plumer, Scott Tue 1/14/1997 4 KB 141 Re: RE. Rolling Stone Reader's Poll Plumer, Scott Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 153 Re: RE. Rolling Stone Reader's Poll sean Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 2:23 pm Subject: Re: Green Desert - Original Cover Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-01-08 13:35:26 EST, you write: << Really-From: TheTycho@a... In a message dated 97-01-08 04:22:50 EST, you write: << But the original cover was still different. I've tried to find a picture of this cover but have failed. Can anyone direct me to a picture of the original cover for Green Desert (a web page perhaps) or can anyone merely describe the original cover. Thanks, Mark >> Mark, My Version of Green Desert has the inside of a hot air balloon on the front cover, and on the back is 4 pictures of a, er....green desert. Lots of cactus and mountains in the back. Have no idea if this helps :-) ESMCD349, Justin. >> OK, I'll join in. I have the, I think, original LP 'Relativity' 88561-8072-1 and the CD 'Relativity Theory' A Division Of Relativity Records TRCD 8072. These both have a round picture on the front with green lettering, goldish/beige sand, blue/gray sky, and brown/black rocks, and black background beyond the round edges of the picture. The CD looks the same except the picture is smaller, looks sharper, and Tangerine Dream is printed in Red instead of green and the typeface for Green Desert is different from the Tangerine Dream typeface, where on the LP the typefaces are the same( although the album title is written in lower case versions for the most part.) The back of the LP has an overhead view of a sand ridge, or something that looks like it. This picture is absent from the CD. What really pisses me off, though, is that neither of these recordings have _any_ information on them about TD other than the track titles and the copyright date. Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 2:23 pm Subject: Re: Good Buys Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-01-08 07:41:24 EST, you write: << Haydn, String Quartets on Naxos, a fine Hungarian label J.S.Bach, Cantatas, also on Naxos Bruckner, Symphony #4, Berlin Philharmonic/Von Karajan (digitally remastered) on Deutsche Grammophon Strauss, Complete Chamber Music, on ARTS/PILZ (Germany) Several hard to find 'new age' albums more towards the progressive all in pristine condition. For those not familiar with Daryl Stuermer, he is a wizzard guitarist -- very, very smooth -- who, in addition to session work with just about everybody, has toured with Genesis, Peter Gabriel, and YES. I have tried for years to find a second copy of this, his only solo album, for a friend. I know the people in the store know what they're doing because in the regular stacks, they don't just throw everything into 'new age.' They actually have a progressive section and an experimental section in addition to the usual types and subtypes of modern and ancient derivation. Why they are selling this stuff for $4 is a mystery. I'm going back to the bins tomorrow (actually, later today). If anyone has something in particular they'd like me to look for, they should send me a shopping list (off-list, please). Try to be as specific as possible. Ciao, Mark >> I agree, the Naxos label does seem to be very good; good performances and well recorded. I don't have the titles listed specifically, but I do have some others, and I was quite surprised of the quality at the budget price. As for Karajan and Bruckner; Karajan couldn't do Bruckner justice if his life depended on it. Of course Karajan is dead, so it doesn't matter now anyway. If you want to hear a good performance of The Bruckner Fourth listen to the Virgin Classic VC 7 91206-2 on CD - The French Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Marek Janowski, who I'd never heard before until I picked this one up. This interpretation is just beautiful. Makes Karajan sound like a bull in a china shop in comparison. Obligatory TD material -_-_-_-_- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 99 Re: Good Buys PhilPDX@a... Mon 1/13/1997 2 KB 120 Re: Good Buys PNaunton@a... Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 4:08 pm Subject: Re: I found MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-01-09 15:19:15 EST, you write: << Really-From: Steven Feldman I stumbled across a mint copy of MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label for $7.99 yesterday. >> WHERE? DO YOU MEAN ON CD???!!!!! I gotta get one!! Catalog number? Phil D. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 4:08 pm Subject: Re: FROESE LPS Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-01-10 14:00:32 EST, you write: << Really-From: Michael A Jean AGES was released on Virgin... >> No way! Catalog number, PLEASE? :-) Phil D. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 4:08 pm Subject: Re: CELESTINE PROPHECY - more than one good track :-) Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-01-10 18:13:30 EST, you write: << Don't listen to him!! The Celestine Prophecy is a truely beautiful album which ranks as one of Frankes best!...I recently brought the book 'The Celestine Prophecy' and found it an enjoyable read....I would say 'The Celestine Prophecy' is further proof that C.Franke is willing to make albums that don't sound like his previous album and I like that. Matt..... >> I second that it's a good album. The first opinion gave itself away by saying PCH is bad, too. This is an easy comparison. If you liked PCH, I'd be very surprised if you don't like Celestine Prophecy. Very new age, but very well done. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 4:08 pm Subject: Re: Two boots Really-From: PhilPDX@a... Logotypes is the Logos-like boot. I thought the sound quality was quite good. Parts are almost exactly like Logos, but then it goes off on different 'Tangents.' :-) Phil D. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 4:08 pm Subject: Re: Good Buys Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-01-08 10:02:11 EST, you write: << Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-01-08 07:41:24 EST, you write: << For those not familiar with Daryl Stuermer, he is a wizzard guitarist -- very, very smooth -- who, in addition to session work with just about everybody, has toured with Genesis, Peter Gabriel, and YES. I have tried for years to find a second copy of this, his only solo album, for a friend. >> stuermer NEVER toured with gabriel and to my knowledge never toured with yes either; he may have done some session work though...also, he still plays with his old band from milwaukee, sweetbottom...if anyone is interested i have some tapes...tom w >> Whoever is right or wrong about this, seems you could have been more polite in in how you pointed it out. If it even needed pointing out at all - not all that important who he toured with, the point was that he likes the guy and was recommending the disc. Phil D. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 4:32 pm Subject: Re: FROESE LPS Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PhilPDX@a... > > In a message dated 97-01-10 14:00:32 EST, you write: > > << Really-From: Michael A Jean > > AGES was released on Virgin... >> > > No way! Catalog number, PLEASE? :-) > > Phil D. Michael's got you this time Phil. AGES [??? 77] - EF 1- Metropolis [11:00] 2- Era Of The Slaves [8:05] 3- Tropic Of Capricorn [21:06] 4- Nights Of Automatic Women [9:00] 5- Icarus [9:07] 6- Childrens Deeper Study [4:21] 7- Ode To Granny A. [4:39] 8- Pizzaro And Atahuallpa [7:30] 9- Golgatha And The Circle Closes [8:30] 2LP [1976,1977,1978] Virgin-??- VD 2507 1MC [19??] Virgin-??- ???... Released by Virgin as VD 2507, for 3 years in a row starting in 76. Mark