From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 3:49 pm Subject: Re: FROESE LPS Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >Released by Virgin as VD 2507, for 3 years in a row starting in 76. Hate to disappoint you, but _Ages_ was first released in March, 1978. It was briefly reissued in Germany in 1984. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 4:01 pm Subject: Re: d:risky business Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greeting all! >Really-From: David Datta > >: Track 6 - 0:11 (?) > >This track would be called 'Catching the Egg', it is in the movie when >he is catching the crystal egg that Guido's girl throws from the >truck. Thanks! I've only seen the movie straight through _once_, so I just couldn't remember the 'sting' used for that scene. goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 5:03 pm Subject: Re: FROESE LPS Really-From: Mark Filipak Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >> Greetings all! >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >Released by Virgin as VD 2507, for 3 years in a row starting in 76. Hate to disappoint you, but _Ages_ was first released in March, 1978. It was briefly reissued in Germany in 1984. << Oh my, You're absolutely right. Where did I get my bogus information? I wish I had the album to reference to. Does this look better Hermes? AGES [??? 77] - EF 1- Metropolis [11:00] 2- Era Of The Slaves [8:05] 3- Tropic Of Capricorn [21:06] 4- Nights Of Automatic Women [9:00] 5- Icarus [9:07] 6- Childrens Deeper Study [4:21] 7- Ode To Granny A. [4:39] 8- Pizzaro And Atahuallpa [7:30] 9- Golgatha And The Circle Closes [8:30] 2LP [1978] Virgin-??- VD 2507 [1984] Virgin-DE- 25 756 XBT 1MC [19??] Virgin-??- ???... Regards, Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 5:31 pm Subject: Re: FROESE LPS Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > AGES [??? 77] - EF > 1- Metropolis [11:00] 2- Era Of The Slaves [8:05] > 3- Tropic Of Capricorn [21:06] 4- Nights Of Automatic Women [9:00] > 5- Icarus [9:07] 6- Childrens Deeper Study [4:21] > 7- Ode To Granny A. [4:39] 8- Pizzaro And Atahuallpa [7:30] > 9- Golgatha And The Circle Closes [8:30] > 2LP [1978] Virgin-??- VD 2507 > [1984] Virgin-DE- 25 756 XBT > 1MC [19??] Virgin-??- ???... > > > Regards, > > Mark Ages recorded from August to November 1977 released in March 1978. Side 1: A. Metropolis 11:00 B. Era of the Slaves 8:05 Side 2: A. Tropic of Capricorn 21:06 Side 3: A. Nights of Automatic Women 9:00 B. Icarus 9:07 C. Children's deeper study 4:21 Side 4: A. Ode to Granny A 4:39 B. Pizarro and Atahuallpa 7:30 C. Golgotha and the Circle closes8:30 Total time both LPs 83:18 Recorded and mixed in The Amber Studios in Berlin. Mixing engineer Ottmar Bergler Album dedicated to his wife Monique and his son Jerome One version with blue artist name and title and one version with green name and title. Cassette-label: #C 45803/4 (2 C-44s). Nice pics. of Edgar NOT laughing. When you open the 2LP, there is a photograph on the bottom of the picture. Is it Jerome? It probably is. And the picture of the city. Is it Los Angeles? Marcel Engels fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 1:06 am Subject: Shy People Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi All, > True. In fact, I think 'The Harbor,' which has a *male* vocal >track, is the best of the three--insofar as it kicks ass--somewhat >like the Chris Franke track off the '70-'80 box set, 'Chimes and >Chains.' > Perhaps I should be embarrassed, but the *instrumental* version >of the title track almost brings a tear to my eye in its beauty >insofar as it is similar to the beauty of 'Yellowstone Park' (off >the LE PARC album). We saw the film of 'Shy People' last year and it is a remarkably good film and well worth checking out although I suspect it was not put out with the help of the Southern States tourist board. We were wondering where 'Dancing on a white moon' fitted in the film but if you listen carefully to the radio playing in the daughter's bedroom, there is is. The film version of these tracks is slightly different from the album version. (maybe it's just our ropey video) Our favourite track is : Civilised Illusions but 'Dancing on a White Moon' and the 'Shy People (Instrumental)' are also superb. One final quesion : who was the tall dark, shadowy figure stomping through the swamp? Cheers david Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 108 Re: Shy People Jim Moore Mon 1/13/1997 2 KB 9537 Shy People Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Sat 12/20/1997 4 KB 30429 Shy People E Neal Frost Wed 12/5/2001 2 KB 30431 Re: Shy People Michael Jean Wed 12/5/2001 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 5:43 pm Subject: Extra on Froese LPs Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Both Macula Transfer and Ages are absolutely his best solo-projects. It's a sacrilege that there not transferred on CD yet! Is Froese not happy with these recordings or is it those f*ck*ng recording-companies? Luckily I have them both and I've transferred them on CDR anyway. Marcel Engels fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 6:33 pm Subject: CDs at cost extended Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi fellow dreamers, Two are gone, so I now have 12 CDs on reserve at a used record store. Since I've been sick the store has extended my reserved status on these until 6AM GMT Tuesday. If anybody in the San Francisco Bay Area wants to just pick these up, then there will be no shipping of course (deduct $1.50). in USA to Int. <<-- ALL TAX AND SHIPPING IS INCLUDED -- ------ ------ 1- -----sold----- 'Zentrum fur Elektronische Musik' Pete Namlook 2- $10.10 $11.60 'The Way Out Is The Way In' Audio Active and Laraaji 3- $12.25 $13.75 'Drive Inn' Schulze/Bloss 4- $11.18 $12.68 'City Raga' Popol Vuh 5- $15.48 $16.98 'Concert Program' 2CD Penguin Cafe Orchestra 6- -----sold----- 'In The Beginning' Hawkwind (early comp?) 7- $9.03 $10.53 'Earthwalk' Max Lasser's Ark (a favorite of mine) 8- $7.95 $9.45 'Tycho Brahe' Lightwave (including Paul Haslinger) 9- $7.95 $9.45 'Grand Eagle' Ed Van Fleet 10- $7.95 $9.45 'Oceans' Ed Van Fleet 11- $7.95 $9.45 'Moonlight Reflections' Dancing Fantasy 12- $7.95 $9.45 'Day Dream' Dancing Fantasy 13- $7.95 $9.45 'New Music for Films, Vol 1' Chris Franke 14- $7.95 $9.45 'Miramar Ten' Miramar Sampler Includes Oriental Haze [3:53] from Rockoon Special plus Jan Hammer, Rich Burmer, Paul Speer, John Serrie,... (nobody obnoxious, no cheese) If you want any of these contact me off-list. The prices above will put them in a box, through the post, and into your hands. Cheers, Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 9:39 pm Subject: RE: Shy People Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) >One final quesion : who was the tall dark, shadowy figure stomping through >the swamp? That was the husband (to Hershey's character; father to her children) who was often spoken about as though he was dead. That point is kind of blurred when Butrick's character shows up at the end of the movie (and permanently turns off the TV). - jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 9:34 pm Subject: Re: CELESTINE PROPHECY: only 1 good track! :( Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-01-10 14:28:10 EST, you write: << Yes, it *is* well-produced and blends together well as a unit, but so do George Michael and Michael Bolton albums. :( ;) >> Well, perhaps I did make too much of this, Steve, but I think you have gone too far the other way. Admittedly, there is some clearly defined pablum in this release, but I do find some of the compositions quite breathtaking. The variety of style, I also find interesting. Particularly the oriental flavors, which I have a affinity towards, are very well done. I will agree, some of Franke's other releases are more dynamic, but I am impressed with the fact that this is his first 'concept album', and that as a 'concept album' this is quite well done. I am also relieved that Franke is aparently not resting on his laurels as a Babalon 5 composer, but is instead exploring some other avenues of creative composing. Pablum not withstanding. Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 10:20 pm Subject: RE: Electronic Dreams Really-From: rch@g... Electronic Dreams definitely exists as an LP. I have a copy of it: it has a mouse on the cover. But don't waste your time looking for a CD edition, it doesn't exist... :( I'm not sure but I think it's just a collection of previously released Froese tracks Keep dreaming Richard From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 10:33 pm Subject: TD Bonn concert Really-From: Christian von_Toerne Hi, fellow TaDreamers, I'm taking the fact that I bought my concert tickets for the Bonn concert (tour start) on April 11 to make a suggestion to all ppl that will be at this concert, too: What about meeting before the concert starts? I mean, like the meeting before the Shep's Bush concert (I wasn't at the pub, darn!). If there are ppl interested, please let me know, because I happen to live in Bonn, and I could organize a table or a room in a bar or bistro. Any comments? Chris From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Monografie Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) Having to work over the weekend had at least one good side : I just picked up a nice new item at Milano airport : New Age Music and New Sounds - Monografie , Musica Elettronica II A hardcover magazine with CD, inc. Franke, TD, Schulze and many others, a longer article on Chris, and a few nice pictures in the book. Their web site is : www.newsounds.it -klaus- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2240 Monografie Vic Rek Wed 4/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 11:09 pm Subject: ELECTRONIC DREAMS Really-From: Michael A Jean It does exist, I have it. Its not a big item, because it only consists of half of AQUA, and half of EPSILON. Although now I'm informed that one of the songs has been recorded backwards. I'll have to check this out to be sure....Maybe this will start a new craze of playing TD music backwards (HA)! MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 116 Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS PENFOLD Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB 431 ELECTRONIC DREAMS Mark Filipak Sat 1/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 11:02 pm Subject: Olympics Really-From: Michael A Jean What he was probably refering to was 'A Time For Heroes' which was a cd for the 1987 Special Olympics. It came out on lp, cassette, and CD. THe cd has an extended mix of the song. It was just a single, not a whole album of material. ( Meatloaf, performs a vocal version on the other side!...I'm not kidding!). It is probably one of my LEAST favorite TD songs ever... There were releases of music from/for the 96 Olypmics, but none had TD on it. I watched the ceremonies, but I don't remeber what tracks they played...was one LeParc? Mike J Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 118 Re: Olympics Vic Rek Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 119 Re: Olympics Hermes Guzman Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 121 Re: Olympics Traviss Willcox Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB 123 Re: Olympics Christian von_Toerne Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 1:50 am Subject: RE: Electronic Dreams At 22:20 97·01·12 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: rch@g... >Electronic Dreams definitely exists as an LP. I have a copy of it: it has a >mouse on the cover. You fergot to mention that it has a patch cord plug on the end of it's tail. 'The world of music is something on its own. It's absolutely dust-free, clear, and clean. Music is one of the most neutral things on earth. It symbolizes the 'highest frequency' of all art forms in its abstract, neutral manner.' - Edgar Froese /^\ | | Pete | penfold@a... | | From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 1:50 am Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS At 17:09 97·01·12 -0600, you wrote: >Really-From: Michael A Jean >It does exist, I have it. Its not a big item, because it only consists of >half of AQUA, and half of EPSILON. Although now I'm informed that one of >the songs has been recorded backwards. I'll have to check this out to be >sure....Maybe this will start a new craze of playing TD music backwards >(HA)! I got a copy of it too. I never played it though. Now I don't own a record player (that works) any more. STURGEON'S LAW: 99% of Everything is Crud. /^\ | | Pete | penfold@a... | | From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 2:05 am Subject: Edgar's Birthplace Really-From: Vic Rek I was reading the booklet in Dream Roots Collection and in the 'Pink Years' section it hints that Edgar is from Lithuania? Is this true, and if so, which town? Or is the text just mis-leading? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 186 Re: Edgar's Birthplace Hilmar Kraft Wed 1/15/1997 4 KB 190 Re: Edgar's Birthplace Hilmar Kraft Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB 191 Re: Edgar's Birthplace Hilmar Kraft Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 2:16 am Subject: Re: Olympics Really-From: Vic Rek >-quote From: Michael A Jean > >What he was probably refering to was 'A Time For Heroes' which was a cd >for the 1987 Special Olympics. It came out on lp, cassette, and CD. Yes, this is true and there also is a promotional issue of the CD in a cardboard sleeve. Does anybody have this promo issue? I am curious if the actual disc is different from the store issue or is it just the packaging that is different? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 2:07 am Subject: Re: Olympics Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! >Really-From: Vic Rek > >Yes, this is true and there also is a promotional issue of the CD in a >cardboard sleeve. Does anybody have this promo issue? I am curious if the >actual disc is different from the store issue or is it just the packaging >that is different? The promo issue that I have is in a stiff, clear plastic slipcover, with two inserts; the regular insert that came with the store issue, and another with some promotional information on it. The disc contents are exactly the same. goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 4:02 am Subject: Re: Good Buys Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-01-12 09:25:03 EST, you write: << Obligatory TD material -_-_-_-_- >> Which apparently got chopped off during transmission, or more likely I didn't paste it in. The rest to follow. Apologies. Is there any indication that Edgar Froese might release some of the probable heaps of old TD tapes that he no doubt has in archive? There must be thousands of hours of unreleased work after over twenty years of recording. If he doesn't make these available, at least he should transfer it onto a more reliable medium before the tapes are no longer playable. That is assuming they exist at all. Sigh. Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 1:48 pm Subject: RE: Olympics Really-From: Traviss Willcox >There were releases of music from/for the 96 >Olypmics, but none had TD on it. I watched the ceremonies, but I don't >remeber what tracks they played...was one LeParc? >Mike J Don't think there was anything from Le Parc but one that I definetely noticed was 'Warsaw in the Sun' which is from a single extracted from the Poland album. Traviss From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 9:02 am Subject: Dream Roots cheap at HMV in UK! Really-From: 'Marco Cinnirella' Just to let any UK friends know that I saw the Dream Roots Box set for stlg25 Pounds Sterling at the Bond Street HMV shop in Oxford Street, London recently. It was placed in a sale section - and in typical HMV style, the same box set was also in the 'Box Sets' section for stlg33! I don't know whether its at stlg25 at other HMVs in the UK, but stlg25 really is a bit of a bargain, even if you only want the unreleased material on CD5. Marco Cinnirella London, UK uhjt009@r... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 9:09 am Subject: Re: Olympics Really-From: Christian von_Toerne > > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > What he was probably refering to was 'A Time For Heroes' which was a cd > for the 1987 Special Olympics. It came out on lp, cassette, and CD. THe > cd has an extended mix of the song. It was just a single, not > a whole album of material. ( Meatloaf, performs a vocal version on the > other side!...I'm not kidding!). It is probably one of my LEAST favorite > TD songs ever... > > There were releases of music from/for the 96 > Olypmics, but none had TD on it. I watched the ceremonies, but I don't > remeber what tracks they played...was one LeParc? I recall one piece was 'LA StreeHawk' from LeParc. I will check on the other 2 pieces. > > Mike J > > > Chris From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 5:44 pm Subject: bonn concert and meeting Really-From: Armin Theissen >Really-From: Christian von_Toerne > >Hi, fellow TaDreamers, > >I'm taking the fact that I bought my concert tickets for the Bonn >concert (tour start) on April 11 to make a suggestion to all ppl >that will be at this concert, too: What about meeting before the >concert starts? I mean, like the meeting before the Shep's Bush >concert (I wasn't at the pub, darn!). If there are ppl interested, >please let me know, because I happen to live in Bonn, and I could >organize a table or a room in a bar or bistro. > >Any comments? > >Chris > > though I lived in Bonn for 10 years, I don't know too many good places close to the Beethovenhalle in Bonn, except the 'Bazooka', but this is too small and too much people mind the punk audience. The 'Rosa Lu' is unfortunately a bit too far, definetly too far in terms of walking distance... If you have suggestions, Christian, or anybody else, please let me know. I maintain a web page of pubs in Bonn and would like to make this more complete. (http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen/bonn/app.html) cheers Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 1:38 pm Subject: Re: RE. Rolling Stone Reader's Poll Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-01-12 07:23:40 EST, you write: << They have a category for electronic music in their poll, and guess who finished first? Nope. It was someone named 'Tricky.' TD didn't even make it at all. >> tricky is to electronic music what td is to gospel...what a farce.... tom w np: laraaji - flow goes the universe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 1:00 pm Subject: Live FAQ Contest Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! Well...so far only _2_ people have submitted a guess. Hmmm...... goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 3:13 pm Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Really-From: Michael A Jean IT'S TRUE!!! On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Mark Filipak wrote: > << > > Although now I'm informed that one of the songs has been recorded > backwards. I'll have to check this out to be sure....Maybe this will > start a new craze of playing TD music backwards (HA)! > > MJ > >> > > Let us know if this backwards version of 'Maroubra Bay' is for real or > just another cruel 'John is dead' joke. > > > I played it last night, and the story is true. I always thought there was something different about the album, but I guess I never played them back to back before. It is amazing this info has never come out before...(Not even 'Voices...' makes reference to the error. Maybe Edgar doesn't even know about it! Who else knew about this??? How and when was this first discovered? BTW: The album came out in 1976 on Brain records, only on LP. Mike Jean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 176 Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS ajogon@m... Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB 197 Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS sean Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB 179 Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS PNaunton@a... Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB 194 Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS ajogon@m... Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB 195 Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Plumer, Scott Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB 205 Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Mark Filipak Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 2:40 pm Subject: Re: TD and Olympics Really-From: sean > I watched the opening ceremonies of the olympics in Atlanta this last past > summer and noticed that they played at least 2 different CD tracks Those tracks were from Poland (The segment of Barbakane titled 'Warsaw in the Sun'), and Le Parc (L.A. - Streethawk). A Time for Heroes (The Theme of the 1987 Special Olympics, that TD composed) is somewhere between Barbakane and Optical Race in terms of its 'sound'. Anthemic; with electronic horn sounds....and cheesy as Velveeta. In fact, it sounds like it could have been a theme from some early eighties TV action show (like Streethawk? Hee hee!). It was a limited edition, and as such it's quite the collector's item, but I traded mine because I really just didn't care for it much. I'm sure a few hard core collectors on the list still have copies though! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 2:45 pm Subject: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: Mark Filipak ** Long Post ** Hi Dreamers, I've been going through my CDs recently culling out the weak ones, and came across 'The London Concert' and 'Pacific Coast Highway.' No, I'm not going to cut out either, but it does remind me of the fact that I found 'Klemania,' boring and derivative and recycled it to the used-CD place. I'm not a completist and will not hesitate to get rid of a mediocre work by even the most gifted artist. So I spent several hours listening to 'The London Concert' as I worked at my computer. I then ran across an interview with Chris on why he left TD. I replayed 'The London Concert' and would like to share some of my heresies with you for general discussion. Put simply, 'Empire of Light' is a 5 minute string of sound effects. It nicely serves to put the listener into an expectant mood -- which must have been very memorable to the live audience -- but his makes the nature of the material immediately following all the more surprising and perplexing. The next track, 'Purple Waves,' is a simple, repetitious song for half of its 16:36 and comes as a real let down after 'Empire of Light's' ominous and expectant rumblings. After eight grueling minutes, it goes into a extended bridge to nowhere consisting almost exclusively of repeated argepios before returning to a reprise of the initial song for the final four minutes. Along the way, Franke hints at just about every base construction TD has ever used. Unfortunately, these constructions are dropped as quickly as they are picked up without leading to any new structures -- as though we were being taken on a museum tour of ancient implements, quickly going from one diorama to the next. Every time I hear 'Purple Waves' I almost cry for its utter lack of spirit, for it's forlorn, almost powerless feeling, as though all the life had been sucked out of it -- and for missing Edgar's touch. 'Cloudburst Flight' brings back some of that old TD because it harkens to those elements of musical construction that are TD's hallmark. It layers a 16 note fugal progression, rapidly played, over an _abstract_ melody line, to which is added a guitar lead and an underlaying drum base. It's classic TD and about as different from 'Purple Waves' as you can get. It is this classical construction that is Edgars and which Chris can reproduce, as he does here, but cannot duplicate. In 'Black Garden View' Chris returns to his 'song' form. It is a very nice little song -- reminding me a bit of Pat Matheny and Lyle Mays -- but it is just a song, and not a very durable one at that. But in 'Vermilion Sands' Chris shows his strengths to perfection and reminds us again why we love him. It consists of a marvelous, 4 minute long rock'n'roll piece with backbeat percussion and abstract 'oriental' lead that is far too short for my tastes. If you didn't know it before, this composition announces to all that Chris is at heart, a rock'n'roll drummer. It would be interesting to see the music industry's reaction if Chris could put together a whole album of compositions like this one. This track inexplicably ends on a 2 minute, dramatic etude that would have felt right at home on the album 'Poland' but feels just tacked on here -- as though Chris wanted to cover all the bases. 'Mountain Heights' reminds me of a classic TD song of the Melrose years. In fact, it would fit right in on the album 'Melrose' and sound like an integral part, which is pretty surprising when you consider the fact that Chris had left TD three years prior to 'Melrose.' I've always felt that 'Dolphin Dance' was more Chris' tune than Edgar's. Hearing Chris' slightly faster rendition of it on 'The London Concert' has done nothing to dissuade me of that opinion. It's a great rock'n'roll song. I wonder what Edgar's rendition without Chris would sound like. The last track on 'The London Concert' is 'Private Diaries.' More than any other on the album, I think this song is simultaneously a statement of Chris' musical aspirations and limitations. It's a straight ahead, light rock song without vocals, again reminding me quite a bit of Pat Matheny. As nice a song as this is, its lack of development only serves to highlight Chris' inability to build more complex and lasting structures on the wonderfully rich and romantic foundations in which he excells. Listening to 'The London Concert' brings home to me how much Chris and Edgar are missing from each other and how much we are missing because they broke up. That said, I nonetheless think that Virgin-years-TD minus Edgar produces a smaller quantity than does Virgin-years-TD minus Chris. I'm not trying to say that I think that Edgar is the 'better' composer. I'm saying that they can only be obliquely compared, like trying to judge the sizes of two objects across the room from each other -- you can look at one and then the other, but you can't look at both together, at least not any more -- and when the two were together, it was impossible to tell for sure where one ended and the other began. But Edgar's compositions seem to always be unique even when repetitious whereas without Edgar's teutonic structures, Chris' compositions sometimes get formulaic and, too often, a little syrupy. I will keep 'The London Concert' dispite the weaknesses of 'Purple Waves,' 'Black Garden View,' and 'Private Diaries.' To get an idea how great this album, and all other Franke albums, could be in my humble opinion, program your CD player to play 'The London Concert' in this order 1-3-5-6-7 and see what a difference it makes. Then try 2-4-8. My general reaction is that though Edgar has been roundly criticized for going commercial, I think the people who left TD have gone more commercial than Edgar ever has. Also, I think that Tangerine Dream is and always has been Edgar's band and that it continues to retain the essence of the Dream, even today. Any reactions out there? Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 131 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Craig R. J. Cordrey Tue 1/14/1997 4 KB 142 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Gabe Yedid Tue 1/14/1997 5 KB 136 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Mark Filipak Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 145 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Gabe Yedid Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB 156 Schmoelling, TDI, etc sean Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 159 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Mark Filipak Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB 168 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Jim Moore Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB 169 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Mark Filipak Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB 175 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Doreen Williams Wed 1/15/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 4:07 pm Subject: D: Stratosfear AS# 4 Many thanks to the D: thread, I hadn't listened to this one in a while. All of these wonderful and interesting sound forms. And from what? Chris: Moog, Organ, Percussion, Loop Mellotron & Harpsichord Edgar: Mellotron, Moog, 12 & 6 Guitars, Grand Piano, Bass Guitar & Mouth Organ Peter: Moog, Project Electronic Rhythm Computer, Fender E Piano & Mellotron 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | | Pete | penfold@a... | | semi.random.sig.quote Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 138 D: Stratosfear Armin Theissen Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB 149 Re: D: Stratosfear slawlor Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 174 Re: D: Stratosfear PENFOLD Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB 183 Re: D: Stratosfear Paul Nagle Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB 188 Re: D: Stratosfear feldon@n... Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB 223 D: Stratosfear Boneheads1@a... Fri 1/17/1997 2 KB 264 D: Stratosfear Mark Filipak Sat 1/18/1997 2 KB 398 D: Stratosfear Craig R. J. Cordrey Fri 1/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 11:29 pm Subject: Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > My general reaction is that though Edgar has been roundly > criticized for going commercial, I think the people who left TD > have gone more commercial than Edgar ever has. Also, I think > that Tangerine Dream is and always has been Edgar's band and > that it continues to retain the essence of the Dream, even > today. > > Any reactions out there? > > Mark I don't know about 'more commercial' but I would certainly say that the majority are 'just as commercial'. Perhaps in Chris' defence, he has shown quite a range of styles since leaving (extremes perhaps being Klemania and Celestine Prophecy). But I don't think there's any denying that Pacific Coast Highway is one of the most Americanised albums TD or ex-TD have released. Other notable 'commercial' ex-members include Paul Haslinger (whose two albums I really like) and Peter Baumann. I was very shocked when I heard Phase-to-Phase and heard the vocals. Sounded like John Foxx to me! Johannes Schmoelling, IMHO, has stayed closest to his 'experimentation' roots (first 3 albums, anyway), although even he shies away from the long tracks toward the short pop-song. IMHO, of the four ex-members and TD mentioned above, only TD (and possibly Schmoelling) are going anywhere. Franke bounces from one project to another, changing style and reception as required. Baumann, obviously, is out of the music business. Haslinger, IMHO, has produced two albums which are very good, but which are too similar. If he isn't going to disappear from my 'must-buys' list, like Franke has, then his next outing must grow, change, evolve. Any comments on my comments? Reactions to my reaction? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 142 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Gabe Yedid Tue 1/14/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 4:38 pm Subject: D:-_-_-_-_-Stratosfear-_-_-_-_- Really-From: PNaunton@a... 13-Jan-1997 Tangerine Dream 'Stratosfear' Published - 1976 Copyright -1976 Purchased - 1976 Format - LP Label - Virgin International Catalog - VI 2068 Personnel - Froese, Franke, Baumann Is that _little_ _Jerome_ on the inside jacket of this LP? It sure bears a resemblance. The haircut looks similar, too. Very space moody. Maybe more mood than music. It appears to have the personality of an unused soundtrack. The music is obviously Tangerine Dream, but the lead instruments are missing for the most part. When there is a melody, it is very subtle. For some reason it is difficult to come upon any thoughts or feeling about this recording. I'm not particularly connected to this music, either positively or negatively. As it plays now, I wish it would do something other than just sit there, but it doesn't. So, .. .. .. .. .. .. tomorrow I'll listen to it again and see what happens. <------> <------> <------> <------> <------> <------> <------> <------> <------> <------> <------> A new day. And an answer. Volume is the key. 'Stratosfear' works in spades at high volume. It appears that at medium to low volumes, where I was set yesterday, that much of the subtleties and nuances are lost. Today, with the volume at the three o'clock position, there is much more life here, and it doesn't sound so much like mindless noodling. Of course three o'clock doesn't mean ear shattering. On my pre-amp three o'clock is just comfortably loud. With a CD three o'clock would blow the windows out, but this is a low output moving-coil phono cartridge running into a medium gain pre-pre-amp and then into the phono pre-amp, so even with the volume control pinned at '10' it would still not clip the amps. All this makes me wonder what the CD sounds like. Maybe time will tell. This is good, I think I give it one more listen. Oh, yes, I almost forgot - - favorite track - - 'Stratosfear' Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 4:57 pm Subject: RE: RE. Rolling Stone Reader's Poll Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>> They have a category for electronic music in their poll, and guess who finished first? Nope. It was someone named 'Tricky.' TD didn't even make it >German issue of 'Rolling Stone' not even had such a category. Perhaps the >editors of the magazine think, 'electronic' music does not exist in >Germany. If >you read the magazine carefully, you will see that they probably do not >take >'electronic' bands like TD for serious because they have *totally* ignored >this >kind of music for years in articles and concert reviews. It is simply >tooooooo far away from goooood old Rock'n'Roll... Regarding Rolling Stone, I think the reason they ignore it is the same reason they panned Progressive Rock (they're often lumped into the same category). According to the book 'Rocking the Classics,' a new book on Prog Rock, it doesn't have a sort of neo-Marxist, anti-establishment attitude. The author maintains that RS and others think that anyone with talent or formal training in music is automatically part of the hated establishment. Never mind that Prog and E-music has always been far removed from the mainstream, more so than any of the so-called 'alternative' bands that RS drools over now. Those bands are the ones they should _really_ hate, since they're just a facade of anti-establishment-ism covering a corporate money machine. Take REM, for example. (One of my favorite bands, BTW) They once were the kings of alternative rock, now they signed an $80 million record deal with Warner Bros. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 5:01 pm Subject: 'Pacific Coast Highway' going, going, ... Really-From: Mark Filipak Sorry, I'm taking back what I said earlier about 'Pacific Coast Highway.' I am dumping it. Tracks 1,9,10: He left TD to do these? 2/10 Track 2: 'Mountain Heights' is very good, but is on 'The London Concert' Tracks 3&11: I'd rather have the originals from David Arkenstone Track 4: I passed on the original from David Lanz. Track 5: 'Driving Into Blue' 6/10 but not worth keeping the album for. Track 6: I don't want to talk about it, okay? (crying) Track 7: 'Malibu Avenue' isn't bad 5/10 Track 8: 'Cinnamon City Cliff' The most interesting piece 4/10 Track 12: Done much better by Deuter, Kamal, Anugama, ... Send hate mail to: filipak@k... Regards, Mark PS: If anyone wants PCH, it's yours for $4 plus post. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 5:19 pm Subject: Re: RE. Rolling Stone Reader's Poll Really-From: Mark Filipak <<<< Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>> They have a category for electronic music in their poll, and guess who finished first? Nope. It was someone named 'Tricky.' TD didn't even make it > German issue of 'Rolling Stone' not even had such a category. Perhaps > the editors of the magazine think, 'electronic' music does not exist > in Germany. If you read the magazine carefully, you will see that they > probably do not take 'electronic' bands like TD for serious because > they have *totally* ignored this kind of music for years in articles > and concert reviews. It is simply tooooooo far away from goooood old > Rock'n'Roll... Regarding Rolling Stone, I think the reason they ignore it is the same reason they panned Progressive Rock (they're often lumped into the same category). According to the book 'Rocking the Classics,' a new book on Prog Rock, it doesn't have a sort of neo-Marxist, anti-establishment attitude. The author maintains that RS and others think that anyone with talent or formal training in music is automatically part of the hated establishment. Never mind that Prog and E-music has always been far removed from the mainstream, more so than any of the so-called 'alternative' bands that RS drools over now. Those bands are the ones they should _really_ hate, since they're just a facade of anti-establishment-ism covering a corporate money machine. Take REM, for example. (One of my favorite bands, BTW) They once were the kings of alternative rock, now they signed an $80 million record deal with Warner Bros. Scott >>>> Success may not breed contempt but hanging out with those slimy goons at Warner sure will. HOW does one turn off the music machine? Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 5:06 pm Subject: Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: Mark Filipak On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 16:29:13 GB-EIRE 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' wrote: <<<< Johannes Schmoelling, IMHO, has stayed closest to his 'experimentation' roots (first 3 albums, anyway), although even he shies away from the long tracks toward the short pop-song. >>>> I hate to say it, but I have not seen a single album from JS. If I had I would have bought without thinking twice. What label is doing such a poor job promoting him? Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 145 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Gabe Yedid Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB 156 Schmoelling, TDI, etc sean Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 5:46 pm Subject: Easter Island Review Really-From: Vic Rek Maybe I missed a post, but did anyone review or now can review the 12 minute Easter Island track? What period does it resemble, is it live, etc? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 12:02 am Subject: D: Stratosfear Really-From: Armin Theissen Hi, Stratosfear: a favourite! (and 5 my-S) compared to the albums before (Ricochet, Rubycon), TD seem to compose and play with 'economy' - there is so much nice silent space between the notes, which makes the space sound and breathe. And - also in contrast to previous albums - they play some chord progressions. I cannot really decide for a favourite track - maybe I'd say 'The Big Sleep in Search of Hades' with that wonderful bass and harpsichord arrangement, and '3 am.....' (ping ------ blop ------ ping ------blob) ^ ^ ^ | | | \ | / \ | / \ | / lots of beautiful space here! and so many nice sound effects in the background. Really a landscape! And no muddy disgusting 'bridges' = glue sounds out of boring sperical keyboard voices, whose purpose is just to avoid some nice silent space. btw: Stratosfear was the very first TD album I spend money for. Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 149 Re: D: Stratosfear slawlor Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 1:19 am Subject: plejades <-> astronomy Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Really-From: Amatodo@a... > > >I came across a painting in a Dali book called 'Birth of Liquid Desires'. Is >this the inspiration for 'Birth of Liquid Plejades' on Zeit? I'm not >familiar with the term 'plejades'. I don't even know what language it is. > Anyway, I know that Edgar was associated with Dali in the mid 60's. Does >anybody have any information on his relationship with Dali, TD history from >66-68, or what 'plejades' means? > perchance to dream....jeff > Ha, a question for me! This has something to do with astronomy. The 'Plejades' is a star cluster, one of the very very very few you can see with naked eye (right now, in winter time!!!). If you want to look for it, I can tell you how to find (provided you're not living too far in the southern hemisphere). I understand the album 'Zeit', just like the whole trilogy 'Alpha Centauri', 'Zeit', and 'Atem' (to me this is a trilogy) as a description of the evolution of the universe and the origin of life. (think at the sleeve not to alpha cen: this album is dedicated to everybody who feels obliged to space) 'Birth of liquid plejades' has probably something to do with the origin of stars. Imagine a huge gaseous cloud of lightyears size ('Nebulous Dawn'?). Such a cloud will contract because of its own gravity. Under certain circumstances, the cloud developes some denser, clumpsy cores (with some I mean anything between some dozens and some hundreds). These cores can/will become so dense and hot that nuclear reactions are ignited: then you have a star, still imbedded in a dense cloud. I spoke about a lot of cores in this clouds: not just one, but a lot of stars are created more or less at the same time. The strong (ultraviolet) radiation of the hottest and biggest stars (these are those with high masses, up to 10 of the sun) will evaporate and blow away the rest of the dust. What you see then is a star cluster, just like the plejades, with no or just a bit of gas left (photographs of the plejades actually reveal such remnant gas). Why 'liquid plejades'? In some manner, though this is not true physically, the original 'cloud' is like the smeared out, 'liquid' version of the cluster. After all, it is exactly the same material. About the connection to Dali - probably less related to astronomy - I guess it is just very probable that Froese had this Dali title somewhere in his mind. so much for now about astronomy Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 6:01 pm Subject: edgar & dali Really-From: Amatodo@a... I came across a painting in a Dali book called 'Birth of Liquid Desires'. Is this the inspiration for 'Birth of Liquid Plejades' on Zeit? I'm not familiar with the term 'plejades'. I don't even know what language it is. Anyway, I know that Edgar was associated with Dali in the mid 60's. Does anybody have any information on his relationship with Dali, TD history from 66-68, or what 'plejades' means? perchance to dream....jeff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 148 Re: edgar & dali Francisco Salgado C. Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 6:50 pm Subject: Re: RE. Rolling Stone Reader's Poll Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Success may not breed contempt but hanging out with those slimy goons at >Warner sure will. HOW does one turn off the music machine? Easy. Buy indy label stuff. Or failing that, buy used copies. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 153 Re: RE. Rolling Stone Reader's Poll sean Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 6:51 pm Subject: Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > My general reaction is that though Edgar has been roundly > > criticized for going commercial, I think the people who left TD > > have gone more commercial than Edgar ever has. Also, I think > > that Tangerine Dream is and always has been Edgar's band and > > that it continues to retain the essence of the Dream, even > > today. I'd have to disagree in 2 cases: Schmoelling, and TD itself. Current TD *is* still a great deal more accessible than in many previous incarnations, even if it is several cuts above 95% of 'all the other stuff'. I played _Dream Mixes_ to a bunch of my friends in biology last year--most of them didn't even like techno/dance, and it was a pretty big hit! I *don't* think they'd react the same way to _Ricochet_, though. And their tendency to hire Satriani-clone guitarists, with all the stylistic baggage that brings, has brought them a good deal closer to mainstream rock than a lot of (ex-)fans are comfortable with--not that it's winning them airplay, but there is a great deal less difference between TD and Yes than there used to be. Schmoelling is definitely the *least* commercial of any of the TD stable. (Why is it so many people seem to think 'short piece = commercial?') Although I thought 'Songs No Words' was pretty insipid, his post-TD music is probably the most 'personal' of all the TD stable. > > Other notable 'commercial' ex-members include Paul > Haslinger (whose two albums I really like) and Peter > Baumann. I was very shocked when I heard Phase-to-Phase and > heard the vocals. Sounded like John Foxx to me! I've not heard any of Baumann's solo stuff, but most people here seem to think anything he did after _Transharmonic Nights_ was, as the Brits might put it, shite. I guess he moved into what, Human League-style electro-pop? I don't know if I'd label Haslinger 'commercial' just yet, although I feel forced to question his motivations for getting MTV air time. > Johannes Schmoelling, IMHO, has stayed closest to his > 'experimentation' roots (first 3 albums, anyway), although > even he shies away from the long tracks toward the short > pop-song. see my comment above on just what 'commercial' means... > IMHO, of the four ex-members and TD mentioned above, only > TD (and possibly Schmoelling) are going anywhere. Franke > bounces from one project to another, changing style and > reception as required. Baumann, obviously, is out of the > music business. Haslinger, IMHO, has produced two albums > which are very good, but which are too similar. If he isn't I was pretty unprepared for how _World Without Rules_ changed my view of _Future Primitive_! After having gotten used to _WWR_, I must say that _FP_ sounded, well, 'much less mature'--it just doesn't quite have the same 'venom' that _WWR_ does. Although I must agree with John Battema's assessment that Paul seems to have sacrificed a lot of his musical idiosyncracies between those two albums in favour of the more outwardly 'global' sound. (which I'm sure he isn't losing sleep over) > going to disappear from my 'must-buys' list, like Franke > has, then his next outing must grow, change, evolve. As Paul Haslinger, he will probably keep on the global/ethnic path. He has other projects, though, like Coma Virus, where he'll explore different facets of his musical personality (e.g. the 'Lightwave' style). > Any comments on my comments? Reactions to my reaction? > > --------------------------------------------- > Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 7:14 pm Subject: RE: 'Pink' Years Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Are these the 'Pink' years because there was a Pink Floyd influence in >the early years? Doesn't help for an explanation of the 'Blue' years, >though... Jazz? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 155 Re: 'Pink' Years sean Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 6:59 pm Subject: Re: I found MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > I stumbled across a mint copy of MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label > for $7.99 yesterday. >> >WHERE? DO YOU MEAN ON CD???!!!!! I gotta get one!! Catalog number? Brain has never issued CD's. Their parent company, Metronome, re-issued some of their stuff, but to my knowledge, after Brain died, nothing appeared with the Brain label. If people are interested in learning more about the Brain releases (which includes TD, Ed solo, and some other Kraut-rock bands) I can post an article that appeared in Progression magazine a couple years ago about Brain. Pretty interesting article. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 158 Re: I found MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label Mark Filipak Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB 196 Re: I found MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label Plumer, Scott Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 6:56 pm Subject: Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 16:29:13 GB-EIRE 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > wrote: > <<<< > Johannes Schmoelling, IMHO, has stayed closest to his > 'experimentation' roots (first 3 albums, anyway), although > even he shies away from the long tracks toward the short > pop-song. > >>>> > > I hate to say it, but I have not seen a single album from JS. If I had > I would have bought without thinking twice. What label is doing such a > poor job promoting him? Erdenklang (twice, _Wuivend Riet_ and _Songs No Words_), Polydor (_White Out_), and the now-defunct Theta (which _Zoo of Tranquility_ was originally issued on.) I really think his music has NO commercial appeal. The TDI reissue business is probably more like a favour from old friends deal, and only TD fans who like Schmoelling's music will be aware of that (the UK Dream Mixes got almost ZERO exposure here--I found it as an import in what is normally a 2nd hand place). > Mark Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 156 Schmoelling, TDI, etc sean Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 7:13 pm Subject: '88 tour question Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Did Andy Summers open for them on _all_ their '88 tour dates? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 163 Re: '88 tour question Steve Quinney Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 165 Re: '88 tour question TWeibre361@a... Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 173 Re: '88 tour question PENFOLD Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 7:12 pm Subject: Soundtrack question Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I came up with a list of films I know TD did the soundtrack for, but I want to know, are there any more? Here is the list: Dead Solid Perfect Deadly Care Destination Berlin Firestarter Flashpoint Heartbreakers The Keep Legend The Man Inside Near Dark The Park is Mine Risky Business Shy People The Soldier Sorceror Strange Behavior (what was this renamed?) Thief Visionquest Wavelength Zoning What TV shows beside Tatort and Streethawk did they do music for? I remember 'Exit' and 'Pilots of Purple Twilight' appearing on General Hospital back in the '80s. Did they give their permission for this? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 157 Re: Soundtrack question sean Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB 160 Re: Soundtrack question Brian_Kirby@p... Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 199 Re: Soundtrack question Michal Balcerzak Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB 2112 TD and Sax over!! Matt Williams Thu 3/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 7:55 pm Subject: Re: edgar & dali Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Amatodo@a... > > I came across a painting in a Dali book called 'Birth of Liquid Desires'. Is > this the inspiration for 'Birth of Liquid Plejades' on Zeit? I'm not > familiar with the term 'plejades'. I don't even know what language it is. Plejades: a cluster of young stars in it's early phase. regards -- Francisco Salgado, La Coruņa, Espaņa mailto:fsalgado@c... http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fsalgado From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 7:27 pm Subject: Re: D: Stratosfear Really-From: slawlor Hi there. This was my second Tangerine Dream purchase back in 1986, a few weeks after getting Exit. The guy at the record store said that this was a quiet album. He was right about that for sure. I think my favorite tracks are 'The big sleeper in Search of hades' A friend once commented 'That sounds like a jazzed up title for highway to hell. I like the chord progression and the flute improv, and the spacemusic middle is pretty cool too. My next favorite part of this recording is the piano part at the end, though the guitar improv on Encore ads something to it. scott K. Lawlor http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 7:37 pm Subject: Re: About THE KEEP's Rarity Really-From: Michael A Jean I don't doubt your story...I heard several people (some as far away as GREECE) say the same thing... I don't know about you all, but whenever I used to see a new TD album, I would always pick it up on the spot! I remember reading the newspaper that Friday night when the movie opened. I remember seeing TD mentioned in the fine print of the 'AD', but I don't recall ever seeing the 'OST available on 'XXX' records...by-line'. For that reason, I intended to go see the film in the theatre, so I could view the credits. I don't remember seeing that phrase in on screen either. I checked the local record shop, which always stocked TD rarities. I was certain they would have kept the copies, even if they were recalled, and they didn't have them! If this story is true, I just want to know why no one has ever been able to produce a real live copy of the LP!!! I don't doubt that a OST was intended for release ( given the German radio broadcast of some material and the discography from TD themselves, that listed it as being available in 1984). However, all our concerns may be put to rest if TD finally goes ahead and releases it this year (as has been rumored so many times before).... MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 172 Re: About THE KEEP's Rarity PENFOLD Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: 'Vermillion Sands'='Taking the Park, Part Two' Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies >Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 06:45:13 -0800 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >But in 'Vermilion Sands' Chris shows his strengths to >perfection and reminds us again why we love him. It consists >of a marvelous, 4 minute long rock'n'roll piece with backbeat >percussion and abstract 'oriental' lead that is far too short >for my tastes. If you didn't know it before, this composition >announces to all that Chris is at heart, a rock'n'roll >drummer. It would be interesting to see the music industry's >reaction if Chris could put together a whole album of >compositions like this one. This track inexplicably ends on a >2 minute, dramatic etude that would have felt right at home on >the album 'Poland' but feels just tacked on here -- as though >Chris wanted to cover all the bases. 'Vermillion Sands' is awfully similar (almost the same, really) to 'Taking the Park, Part Two,' on the THE PARK IS MINE soundtrack. See for yourself. Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: . DREAMS WORD -- Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 302 Re: 'Vermillion Sands'='Taking the Park, Part Two Hermes Guzman Mon 1/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Three Sources of RISKY BUSINESS Music Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: d:risky business >Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 20:00:44 -0500 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > [Lars R. Jones said:] >>Hermes, do you know if there is enough material in the sound kit for this? > >Not really. The additional material from the soundkit, not including the >Franke interview, comes to only 11:21. And only four of the eight tracks >are completley new. They are all, however, taken directly from the film cut >of the music as provided to the studio by TD. The tracks are listed only as >Track1 ~ Track 8; I've included times as well as known titles: > >Track 1 - 1:21 No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) >Track 2 - 1:46 Lana >Track 3 - 3:04 Guido the Killer Pimp >Track 4 - 0:30 (Porche Plunge I) >Track 5 - 0:24 (Porche Plunge II) >Track 6 - 0:11 (?) >Track 7 - 0:57 Sobornost extract >Track 8 - 3:08 Love on a Real Train > >So if you add just the 2:02 of unreleased tracks to the 17:49 found on the >CD, you only have 19:51 of total music. And the only 'real' track of those >is the 'Sobornost' extract. The other three are little more than sound >effects. And, yes, that is yet _another_ version of 'Love...'! I think I'll >collect all 11 versions and put 'em on a...well...never mind! ; ) And don't forget that either three or four (depending on how nit- picky you want to get) of the TD tracks on the first pressing of the LP are different than the later pressings and all versions of the CD!!! I have two copies of the original LP in case anyone thinks I'm full of baloney. It's in VOICES IN THE DUNES, too. (I was their source of info on this fact, actually.) -- Steven Feldman & From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 7:51 pm Subject: Re: RE. Rolling Stone Reader's Poll Really-From: sean > >Success may not breed contempt but hanging out with those slimy goons at > >Warner sure will. HOW does one turn off the music machine? > > Easy. Buy indy label stuff. Or failing that, buy used copies. Just buy good music! This business of artists ceasing to be of interest once they're popular is so cliched. Of course, most really popular artists ARE bland, but that's not the point. I do, on the other hand, wholeheartedly endorse buying second-hand! CDs are horribly overpriced. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Schmoelling albums: not too smelling ;) Really-From: Steven Feldman >Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies >Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:06:36 -0800 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >I hate to say it, but I have not seen a single album from JS. If I had >I would have bought without thinking twice. What label is doing such a >poor job promoting him? His first and fourth are on the German Erdenklang label. The second was on a now-defunct label, and the third is more-or-less available if you search around for it--yet I think it, too, is out of print. The first one came out in the USA on the now-defunct Lifestyles label, but the others are all German-only, as far as I know. JOHANNES SCHMOELLING (1980-1986) solos: |86 WUIVEND RIET [English: 'Wind-Blown Reeds'] |88 THE ZOO OF TRANQUILLITY (rel on defunct Polydor sub-label Theta; no US r) |90 WHITE OUT (German-only release) |95 SONGS NO WORDS (not released in the US) |96 ZAUBERGEIGER SETTEMBRINI (narr by Martin Burkhardt, music by Johannes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 8:04 pm Subject: RE: 'Pink' Years Really-From: sean > >Are these the 'Pink' years because there was a Pink Floyd influence in > >the early years? Doesn't help for an explanation of the 'Blue' years, > >though... > > Jazz? How about the fact that the Jive/Electro record sticker was blue? Or the fact that the cover art for Poland, Underwater Sunlight and Tyger was predominantly blue? A reference to Blue Oyster Cult? The possibilities are endless! -Sean Montgomery From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 8:08 pm Subject: Schmoelling, TDI, etc Really-From: sean > The UK Dream Mixes got almost ZERO exposure here--I found it as an > import in what is normally a 2nd hand place). Which is a shame! Sojus is an excellent piece, right up there with Virtually Fields in my book. I just hope that when TDI rereleases ZoT, it'll make it's way over too! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 8:18 pm Subject: Re: Soundtrack question Really-From: sean > I came up with a list of films I know TD did the soundtrack for, but I > want to know, are there any more? Plenty! Check out Dave Datta's TD Discography at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/artists/t/tangerine.dream/discog It has a list of some unreleased soundtracks. > I remember 'Exit' and 'Pilots of Purple Twilight' appearing on General > Hospital back in the '80s. Did they give their permission for this? No. Finding unauthorized uses of TD music in soap operas, sports coverage, television current affairs shows and the like could keep a team of lawyers in business...and does! Plus, movie studios may reserve the right to use music composed for one of their movies in the trailer for another. Witness the use of Dead Solid Perfect music in the trailer for 'Intersection'. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 8:46 pm Subject: Re: I found MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label Really-From: Mark Filipak On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:59:00 -0500 'Plumer, Scott' wrote: <<<< > I stumbled across a mint copy of MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain > label for $7.99 yesterday. >> >WHERE? DO YOU MEAN ON CD???!!!!! I gotta get one!! Catalog number? Brain has never issued CD's. Their parent company, Metronome, re-issued some of their stuff, but to my knowledge, after Brain died, nothing appeared with the Brain label. If people are interested in learning more about the Brain releases (which includes TD, Ed solo, and some other Kraut-rock bands) I can post an article that appeared in Progression magazine a couple years ago about Brain. Pretty interesting article. Scott >>>> Sorry Scott, I have seen 'Brain' CDs. I don't know what company was responsible for issuing them, but they had the Brain logo. Klaus Schulze, 'Mediterranean Pads' was one (I'm looking at it as I write this) and I've seen others -- all white albums with the Brain logo on the back in the lower left. Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 8:50 pm Subject: Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: Mark Filipak On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:56:09 -0500 (EST) Gabe Yedid wrote: <<<<<< On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 16:29:13 GB-EIRE 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > wrote: > <<<< > Johannes Schmoelling, IMHO, has stayed closest to his > 'experimentation' roots (first 3 albums, anyway), although > even he shies away from the long tracks toward the short > pop-song. > >>>> > > I hate to say it, but I have not seen a single album from JS. If I had > I would have bought without thinking twice. What label is doing such a > poor job promoting him? Erdenklang (twice, _Wuivend Riet_ and _Songs No Words_), Polydor (_White Out_), and the now-defunct Theta (which _Zoo of Tranquility_ was originally issued on.) I really think his music has NO commercial appeal. The TDI reissue business is probably more like a favour from old friends deal, and only TD fans who like Schmoelling's music will be aware of that (the UK Dream Mixes got almost ZERO exposure here--I found it as an import in what is normally a 2nd hand place). > Mark Gabe >>>>>> Oh wow, I have 'Wuivend Riet'! I've had if for years. I'd forgotten that was JS. That's a wonderful album. (Time to go and find the rest of them.... any help out there?) Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 9:00 pm Subject: Re: Soundtrack question Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >I came up with a list of films I know TD did the soundtrack for, but I >want to know, are there any more? Off the top of my head, here are a couple more: Forbidden - A WWII love story about a jewish woman and a german soldier (I think). Rainbow Drive (cable movie by the guy who did Dead Solid Perfect and Heartbreakers -- Bobby Roth?) Neither has been released. -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 9:19 pm Subject: Froese/dali etc. Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' I wrote a very accurate story about the history of TD, beginning in 1965 and how they met Dali. And it's not yet come up in the mailing list. Come on guys (Majordomo?), are you keeping it away from the list or what?! I will not type it again! Marcel Engels fsp@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2078 Re: Froese/dali etc. Mark Filipak Tue 3/25/1997 2 KB 2080 Re: Froese/dali etc. Marcel Engels Tue 3/25/1997 7 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 9:28 pm Subject: Info on Froese/Dali Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Froese was born in Tilsit in 1944 He studied painting and sculpture for 5 years. He had classical music training , but that quickly changed to rock 'n' roll/popmusic. This was in 1965. The first group ('65) in which Froese played was called The Ones. It was a conventionel rockgroup with gituar, bass, organ, drums and singing. Personel of The Ones: Detlef, Charlie, Edgar, Mick and Wilfried In 1966 their first single was: Lady Greengrass/Love of Mine Labelnr: 148593. In summer 1966 they had to play in Cadaques, Spain. There they met Salvador Dali. They played in his villa. Froese was really impressed by Dali's work. Dali's always said that everything is possible. Froese thought of the idea that everything could be possible in music too. In September 1967 Edgar formed Tangerine Dream with the following people: Edgar Froese - leadgituar Volker Hombach - flute and violin Lanse Hapshash - drums Kurt Herkenberg - bass Charlie Prince - vocals They started improvising with strange sounds (amplifying the violin and then feedback the thing etc). In March 1969 TD changed their personel. Edgar played with a bassplayer from The Netherlands and a drummer from Liverpool/UK. They only made a TV-soundtrack and nothing else. Then came Klaus Schulze and Conrad Schnitzler and the rest is history. (well we don't know half of it, but anyway). Marcel Engels fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 10:37 pm Subject: Re: '88 tour question Really-From: Steve Quinney At 02:13 PM 1/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >Did Andy Summers open for them on _all_ their '88 tour dates? > >Scott > Yes , he opened for TD in Toronto in '88. Steve Quinney From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 6:59 pm Subject: Info on Froese/Dali etc. Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Froese was born in Tilsit. He studied painting and sculpture for 5 years. He had classical training , but that changed to rock 'n' roll/popmusic. This was in 1965. The first group in which Froese played was called The Ones. It was a conventionel rockgroup with gituar, bass, organ, drums and singing. Personel of The Ones: Detlef, Charlie, Edgar, Mick and Wilfried In 1966 their first single was: Lady Greengrass/Love of Mine Labelnr: 148593. In summer 1966 they had to play in Cadaques, Spain. There they met Salvador Dali. They played in his villa. Froese was really impressed by Dali's work. Dali's always said that everything is possible. Froese thought of the idee that everything could be possible in music too. In September 1967 Edgar formed Tangerine Dream with the following people: Edgar Froese - leadgituar Volker Hombach - flute and violin Lanse Hapshash - drums Kurt Herkenberg - bass Charlie Prince - vocals They started with improvising with strange sounds (amplifying the violin and then feddback the thing etc). In March 1969 TD changed their personel. Edgar played with a bassplayer from The Netherlands and a drummer from Liverpool/UK. They only made a TV-soundtrack and nothing else. Then came Klaus Schulze and Conrad Schnitzler and the rest is history. (well we don't know half of it, but anyway). Marcel Engels fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 10:46 pm Subject: Re: '88 tour question Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-01-13 17:39:54 EST, you write: << >Did Andy Summers open for them on _all_ their '88 tour dates? >> yup...he opened in nyc.... tom w From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Some Obscure Soundtracks Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hi Scott, >>I came up with a list of films I know TD did the soundtrack for, but I >>want to know, are there any more? >>Here is the list: >>Dead Solid Perfect >>Deadly Care >>Destination Berlin >>Firestarter >>Flashpoint >>Heartbreakers >>The Keep >>Legend >>The Man Inside >>Near Dark >>The Park is Mine >>Risky Business >>Shy People >>The Soldier >>Sorceror >>Strange Behavior (what was this renamed?) >>Thief >>Visionquest >>Wavelength >>Zoning 'Strange Behavior' was also known by the rather unappealing titles 'Dead Kids' and also as 'Human Experiments.' There are a TON of other TD-soundtracked films, but some were unauthorized uses and many contain only studio music. Here's a few off the top of my head...there are lots, lots more, especially from the early 1970s....and no, I haven't seen any of these except Miracle Mile, Kamikaze and Rainbow Drive. :-) Geradeaus Bis Zum Morgen (1972 german TV) Ein Fuer Alle Mal (1973 German TV) Oedpius Tyrannus (1974)--the stuff from the London stage play, of which there's the track Overture on 'V' Ninja (Japanese? 1978, unauthorized use of stuff from Sorcerer) Future War 198X (Japanese? 1978, unauthorized use of stuff from Phaedra, I think) Something with a german title that translates to 'The Most Dangerous Game' (1979, Edgar solo) Something called 'Kneuss' (1979) Spasms (1981)--allegedly lame horror movie about a killer snake Kamikaze 1989 (1983, if you're counting EF's solo stuff) Forbidden (US made-for-cable, 1985 I think) Red Heat (1986)--allegedly bad women-in-prison movie, I think (no I haven't seen it :) ) Red Nights (1987) The Game of Love (1987) City of Shadows (a.k.a. Nightmare City) (Canadian, 1987) Miracle Mile (1989) Rainbow Drive (1990) The Switch (1992 US TV movie) And don't forget Canyon Dreams and Oasis! >>What TV shows beside Tatort and Streethawk did they do music for? I >>remember 'Exit' and 'Pilots of Purple Twilight' appearing on General >>Hospital back in the '80s. Did they give their permission for this? I doubt permission was given, but I can't say for sure. I know other soap operas used TD, too, just from channel surfing I spotted several occurences of stuff from Thief, for instance. I don't know of any other series they scored. --John From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 12:59 am Subject: >> ULTIMA THULE << Really-From: Mark Filipak Sorry I'm being a little obnoxious here. Anybody know anything about this album? 'Ultima Thule Suite' by Elia David Cmiral 1CD [1991] Classic Hawk/Hawk Records, Stockholm - CLH CD 705 It's urgent. Thanks, Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 4:54 am Subject: RE: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: Mark Filipak >My general reaction is that though Edgar has been roundly >criticized for going commercial, I think the people who left TD >have gone more commercial than Edgar ever has. Well... Not Schmoelling... - jimbo *---------------------------------------------------------------------------* *'...I'll step out of these wet clothes, | jimbo@v... * * and into a dry martini...' | James Frederick Moore * * -- Bugs Bunny (as Groucho Marx) | *---------------------------------------------------------------------------* From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 2:20 am Subject: Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: Mark Filipak On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 20:54:49 -0800 Jim Moore wrote: <<<< >Really-From: Mark Filipak >My general reaction is that though Edgar has been roundly >criticized for going commercial, I think the people who left TD >have gone more commercial than Edgar ever has. Well... Not Schmoelling... - jimbo *---------------------------------------------------------------------------* *'...I'll step out of these wet clothes, | jimbo@v... * * and into a dry martini...' | James Frederick Moore * * -- Bugs Bunny (as Groucho Marx) | *---------------------------------------------------------------------------* >>>> Jim. You are absolutely right. When I wrote that I wasn't thinking about Johannes. The reason? Because I didn't know he had _any_ albums out. How, you might ask, can anyone on this list not know JS has had 4 albums? Because I've only seen one, 'Wuivend Riet' which I bought as soon as I saw it in 1987, and have since forgotten about. There haven't been any other Schmoelling albums in the US. I'm sorry I forgot Johannes Schmoelling. I find 'Wuivend Riet' to be a totally honest, spontaneous, and heartfelt work. It's too bad that almost guarantees commercial oblivion. (Eating my words with relish) Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 3:20 am Subject: Dream Mixes UK hard-to-get Really-From: feldon@n... At 03:08 PM 1/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: sean > >> The UK Dream Mixes got almost ZERO exposure here--I found it as an >> import in what is normally a 2nd hand place). > >Which is a shame! Sojus is an excellent piece, right up there with >Virtually Fields in my book. I had already purchased the US release of Dream Mixes, so it hurt the wallet to have to buy the import. Iowa put me into a coma, but Sojus brought me back. I like the previously unreleased stuff on Dream Mixes disc 1. Yes, I am guilty of cranking up the bass on Dream Mixes disc 2--tracks 1,2. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 3:56 am Subject: Which album?-A question to the german members Really-From: RusterD@a... Hi there! A question to the german members: Wer kann mir sagen, auf welchem Album der Song vom Tatort Mitte der Achtziger ist? Vielleicht auf Exit? Wer sich fuer die Dream Roots-Collection interessiert, ich kenne einen Mail Order Versand, der die Box fuer 80,- verkauft; bei Interesse melden... Greetings Dirk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 181 Re: Which album?-A question to the german members Hilmar Kraft Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 3:54 am Subject: Re: About THE KEEP's Rarity At 13:37 97·01·13 -0600, you wrote: >Really-From: Michael A Jean I remember after 'The Keep' came out in the theatres. I also distinctly remember the LP sitting on the shelves in my local Tower Records (in West Covina, CA).....and then it disappeared. I missed the theatre run but rented the video. I thought the movie was cool, and the music *awesome*. Then I caught the TV airing.....Glaeken lives! (closer to the book's ending) and different ending credits (white letters over footage of cloudy sky and wind noise.) What gives here? The 20th Century version of a Rain Dance.....Washing your car. /^\ | | Pete | penfold@a... | | semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 3:54 am Subject: Re: '88 tour question >Did Andy Summers open for them on _all_ their '88 tour dates? I don't know but Andy did open for TD at the Wiltern in LA. IMHO I thought Andy was awful. BTW: Edgar commented 'Nice to be back.' when they played the Wiltern again for the _Rockoon_ tour. 'Urp!' - Traditional Chtorran post-repast blessing /^\ | | Pete | penfold@a... | | semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 3:54 am Subject: Re: D: Stratosfear At 17:02 97·01·13 GMT, you wrote: >Really-From: Armin Theissen >btw: Stratosfear was the very first TD album I spend money for. After I bought _Exit_, _Stratosfear_ was bought in my 'attack dose' (hmmmm, what *were* they?) (to CD collection) (looking @ cover art/title) ah! (back in front of computer) (That would have been....._Tangram_,_Stratosfear_,_Force_Majeure_&_Rubycon_.....wow! What a start.) that was in Fall of '81.....And I haven't stopped since. It *has/is* been a unique musical voyage of dreams.....Tangerine Dream(s) Bad command or file name. You have 2 wishes left. /^\ | | Pete | penfold@a... | | semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: Doreen Williams >Really-From: PNaunton@a... >In a message dated 97-01-13 10:07:59 EST, you write: ><< I replayed 'The London Concert' and would like to share some of > my heresies with you for general discussion. >> > I think your post is a load of dingo's kidneys. Personally I >wouldn't alter _one_ >_note_ on London Concert, even the studio parts. Prejudices not >withstanding, I think that this CD is a treasure. The term 'weak' does not >apply to any part of it. Much like 'Force Majeure', one of my all time >favorite TD recordings, I could listen to this over and over and over again. > In fact I do. I must have listened to 'London Concert' two hundred times >last year. I never get tired of it. Today is January 13, 1997 and I have >listened to it four times this year already. Now, admittedly, I haven't >disected it in the way you have, and I really never intend to. Instead I >think of the whole recording as a single piece, even if that is truely >unrealistic. OK, so occasionally I play 'Dolphin Dance' by itself once in a >while, but with that one exception I really don't think that any part of >'London Concert can be pulled out without causing the rest to collapse like a >house of cards. Just my opinion. If not humble, at least from the heart. >No malice. >Phil N. I couldn't have said it better myself,thanks you have just saved me the hassle of writing a long mail ;). Matt.... ------------- Matt Williams ------------- * matt@s... * * * * irc nicks: draft or jos * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 1:05 am Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Really-From: ajogon@m... Speaking of backwards, I found this in rec.music.ambient: << From: painpete@a... (PainPete) Newsgroups: rec.music.ambient Subject: Pheadra-esque Disks Date: 12 Jan 1997 14:03:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <19970112140100.JAA21458@l...> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@a... (...) For years I didn't know my cassette of Pheadra was defective--It was all backwards! And it still became one of my favorites. After awhile I noticed it was backwards but assumed it was intentional. It wasn't until I heard another copy that I figured it out (and that took awhile to notice too...I had to verify my suspicions on a 4-track to be sure I didn't just have some different version on import or something). Now I like it equally both ways! It's almost like having a double album! Try that if you want another perspective. It retains pretty much the same feel as the other way but it is a different experience. If you have a 4-track, open reel deck, or a digital editor you can flip-flop it that way. (...) >> Well, I suggest that after the D:Zoning week, we start the discussion of the backward versions of TD albums :-) Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 197 Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS sean Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 2:59 pm Subject: Re: FROESE LPS Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-01-12 11:34:51 EST, you write: << 2LP [1976,1977,1978] Virgin-??- VD 2507 1MC [19??] Virgin-??- ???... Released by Virgin as VD 2507, for 3 years in a row starting in 76. Mark >> LP doesn't help me - I thought someone was saying it was released on CD. Phil D. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 193 Re: FROESE LPS Vincent Goudreault Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 6:01 pm Subject: Re: what is commercial? (was:'The London Concert' - criticismand other heresies Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: feldon@n... > > No, that means using gimmicky dainty instrument sounds and the short 'song' > style as opposed to the old developing orchestration if you will. TD was all > about the composition of the song back in the 70's and early 80's. Now it > seems like it is based on sounding as modern as possible with heavy drum > use. Heck, TD barely touched drums in the 70's and 80's and they did quite > nicely... > > (From a frustrated old-TD lover) > > Morgan I absolutely agree with you. BUT, today you still can make good music also on digital equipment. Only some of the musicians don't bother to program it correctly. But then again, nothing like the old Moog and Mellotron. (and about all of the analog stuff). One thing still wonders me. I have a very simple monphonic synth which I bought 2nd hand from somebody for just a fart. The filter inside is absolutely fantastic. My point is that nowadays they make special DSP-processors to make filters etc. but they still sound like shit. Haven't 'they' learned anything? Marcel Engels fsp@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 204 Re: what is commercial? (was:'The London Concert' feldon@n... Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 6:29 am Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-01-13 10:30:08 EST, you write: << Let us know if this backwards version of 'Maroubra Bay' is for real or > just another cruel 'John is dead' joke. > > > I played it last night, and the story is true. I always thought there was something different about the album, but I guess I never played them back to back before. It is amazing this info has never come out before...(Not even 'Voices...' makes reference to the error. Maybe Edgar doesn't even know about it! Who else knew about this??? How and when was this first discovered? >> Not to be a party pooper, but this has been discussed several times during the last year. I've had this on LP for years and years and I never realized it until I read it here a year ago. It sounds perfectly fine palyed backwards or forward, at least until one is aware of the error. Now, of course, it suddenly sounds wrong. Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 6:19 am Subject: Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-01-13 10:07:59 EST, you write: << I replayed 'The London Concert' and would like to share some of my heresies with you for general discussion. >> I think your post is a load of dingo's kidneys. Personally I wouldn't alter _one_ _note_ on London Concert, even the studio parts. Prejudices not withstanding, I think that this CD is a treasure. The term 'weak' does not apply to any part of it. Much like 'Force Majeure', one of my all time favorite TD recordings, I could listen to this over and over and over again. In fact I do. I must have listened to 'London Concert' two hundred times last year. I never get tired of it. Today is January 13, 1997 and I have listened to it four times this year already. Now, admittedly, I haven't disected it in the way you have, and I really never intend to. Instead I think of the whole recording as a single piece, even if that is truely unrealistic. OK, so occasionally I play 'Dolphin Dance' by itself once in a while, but with that one exception I really don't think that any part of 'London Concert can be pulled out without causing the rest to collapse like a house of cards. Just my opinion. If not humble, at least from the heart. No malice. Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 11:38 am Subject: Re: Which album?-A question to the german members Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> >Hi there! > >A question to the german members: > >Wer kann mir sagen, auf welchem Album der Song vom Tatort >Mitte der Achtziger ist? Vielleicht auf Exit? English summary follows... Dirk...es gab 2 Tatorts mit TD Musik Mitte der Achtziger: 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' und 'Miriam'. Eigentlich ist keiner der Songs auf einem Album drauf, sondern nur damals als 2 Singles erschienen. Allerdings ist 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' eine ueberarbeitete Version von 'White Eagle', und daher kannst Du auf dem Album 'White Eagle' eine sehr aehnlich klingende Version hoeren (die laut allgemeiner und auch meiner Meinung nach sogar besser als die Tatort-Version ist). Die Tatort-Version gibt es auch auf einem 'Schimanski' Sampler auf CD, dort sind insgesamt 3 TD Stuecke drauf ('Das Maedchen...' und 2 Stuecke von 'Miriam') SUMMARY: Dirk wanted to know what album contains the track from the German TATORT series from the mid-eighties. I explained to him that there were 2 mid-eighties TATORTs, that the tracks were only released as singles, but that 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' is actually an updated version of White Eagle (with White Eagle sounding much better anyway) and can be found on the album of the same name. 3 tracks from the 2 TV-singles are available on the 'Schimanski' compilation CD. Hilmar Kraft hkraft@c... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 6:07 pm Subject: tatort Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Hi there! > >A question to the german members: > >Wer kann mir sagen, auf welchem Album der Song vom Tatort >Mitte der Achtziger ist? Vielleicht auf Exit? > >Greetings >Dirk > translation for the non-germans: 'Can anybody tell my on which album to find the Song from the mid-eighies Tatort? Maybe on Exit?' All I can say: You probably don't mean the 'White Eagle' Version 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' (In this Tatort Movie you also find 'Network 23' from Exit played at somewhat lower speed). The other Schimanski-Tatort 'Miriam' contains music you may find on the TD Soundtrack 'Wavelength' in a slightly different version. There have been singles and/or Maxisingles from both Tatort shows. There is also a sampler with music of Schimanski Tatorts, but I don't know whether there is more TD than 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe'. Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 185 tatort Armin Theissen Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB 192 Re: tatort sean Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 4:08 pm Subject: Re: D: Stratosfear Really-From: Paul Nagle On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 08:07:29 -0800, you wrote: >All of these wonderful and interesting sound forms. And from what? >Chris: Moog, Organ, Percussion, Loop Mellotron & Harpsichord >Edgar: Mellotron, Moog, 12 & 6 Guitars, Grand Piano, Bass Guitar & Mouth Organ >Peter: Moog, Project Electronic Rhythm Computer, Fender E Piano & Mellotron Yeah, makes you wonder why each album these days struggles to achieve the range of sounds (or composition) that were present in Stratosfear. Melodies, increible sequencer work, not a drum machine in sight..... Seems that in the old days the gear was really put to work but now it's just a matter of hammering a few notes of the famous electric harpsichord noise and mindlessly whapping some tom toms for a bit.... Oops. Sorry. Don't know what came over me - almost slipped into critic mode there. Back to the true spirit of the group: >'Edgar is very nice' |'So is Chris. I think he may be God really.' >>'That young whipper-snapper Jerome has a silly haircut, doesn't he?' >>>'How dare you insult someone who used to decorate some of the world's best albums!' >'Edgar is very nice, though, isn't he?' >>>'Steady now....' etc. etc. 8-) Paul (the evil one) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 06/01/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Synergy/Metropolitan Suite Really-From: synergy I thought that I might be able to clear up a question about the running order on Metropolitan Suite. When the album was completed in late 1986 LPs and CDs as well as cassette versions were all for sale in most stores. The 'real' running order is the one that appears on the CD. That was the way I intended it. However the head of the Jem/Passport label group, Marty Scott, preferred the more 'classical' Suite to appear after the other tracks. My compromise was to let him run it his way on the LP and I'd run it my way on the CD--with the idea that the CD would probably survive longer. Redstone wasn't on the LP because it was considered a CD bonus track at the time, but it did make it onto the cassette which otherwise matched the LP running order. And that's all there is to it. -Larry Fast http://www.eclipse.net/~synergy >The LP version has the track running order (CD order in parenthesis) >(6)1 -Into The Abyss >(7)2 -Prairie Light >(8)3 -West Side Nights > Metropolitan Suite >(1)4 -North River >(2)5 -Steam & Steel Towers >(3)6 -The City Goes to War >(4)7 -Metropolitan Theme (main theme) >(5)8 -The End Of An Era >_Redstone_ on the CD is track 9 >the Cassette running order is the same as the LP with the addition of >_Redstone_ being the 'bonus' track at the end of side 2 >As for the alteration of the running order, it still puzzles me as a CD >doesn't have 2 sides like an LP. >Hey Elana! Perhaps your contact w/ Larry would explain the mixmastering >of the track running order From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 11:34 pm Subject: tatort Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) >> You probably don't mean the 'White Eagle' Version 'Das Maedchen auf >> der Treppe' (In this Tatort Movie you also find 'Network 23' from >> Exit played at somewhat lower speed). > >This is the version of White Eagle that appears on the Tangents box set, >is it not? Has any of TDs other music from Tatort been released on >CD....except for the 70/90 disk? > > >Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR > almost! The Tangents version of 'White Eagle' is a slightly tangentized version of 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe', which is a heavily 'tangentized' (better 'tatorted') version of White Eagle. Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 11:57 am Subject: Re: Edgar's Birthplace Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> >Vic Rek > >I was reading the booklet in Dream Roots Collection and in the 'Pink Years' >section it hints that Edgar is from Lithuania? Is this true, and if so, >which town? Or is the text just mis-leading? Hmmm...I wondered about this too, I think it must be wrong, though!?!?. A little history-check is in order here. From the information I have read so far, Edgar was born in the city of Tilsit (Marcel posted this info yesterday as well). Now, Tilsit was part of the East Prussian ('Ostpreussen') part of the German Empire, and after World War II was taken by the Soviet Union. It is now called Sovetsk and is still part of Russia to this day. This region of East Prussia had been German for a very long time and the story of millions of German refugees fleeing from that area in the last months of the war is firmly engraved in the heart of many germans. I think the confusion might have been created by the fact that Lithuania ('Litauen' in German) had been in part belonging to 'East Prussia' as well (the original country was divided up between Russia, Austria and Prussia/Germany in 1795) and after a turbululent history of being occupated by the polish, russians and germans as well as having regained independency, was finally annexed (again) by Hitler in 1941. After WWII, this part of East Prussia was also taken over by the Soviet Union, and much later with the formation of sovereign baltic states there, it is now again part of the state of Lithuania (Lietuva). Well, I sure hope I got that correct...it's been a few years since high school history classes...Anyway, I think it is wrong to say that Edgar is from Lithuania...more correct would be to say that he is from Russia...Maybe someone just looked at the map and said: East Prussia...well that is Lithuania now! Or Edgar was born outside of Tilist...in the region that is now Lithuania? Then again I am not too familiar with the history of Lithuania, and maybe Tilist/Sovetsk was in fact in former times part of that country...to my knowledge this is not the case, though. Any history buffs out there??? Hilmar Kraft hkraft@c... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 1:13 pm Subject: Re: what is commercial? (was:'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-01-13 20:59:16 EST, you write: << >My general reaction is that though Edgar has been roundly >criticized for going commercial, I think the people who left TD >have gone more commercial than Edgar ever has. >> i read comments like this all over the place...what exactly does it mean to 'go commercial'? sell more albums? become more accesible? cater to the prevailing musical tastes? advertise more? any guesses? tom w np: everything but the girl vs. drum 'n' bass Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 189 Re: what is commercial? (was:'The London Concert' feldon@n... Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 1:28 pm Subject: Re: D: Stratosfear Really-From: feldon@n... At 09:08 AM 1/14/97 GMT, you wrote: >Really-From: Paul Nagle > >>All of these wonderful and interesting sound forms. And from what? >>Chris: Moog, Organ, Percussion, Loop Mellotron & Harpsichord >>Edgar: Mellotron, Moog, 12 & 6 Guitars, Grand Piano, Bass Guitar & Mouth Organ >>Peter: Moog, Project Electronic Rhythm Computer, Fender E Piano & Mellotron >Yeah, makes you wonder why each album these days struggles to achieve >the range of sounds (or composition) that were present in Stratosfear. >Melodies, increible sequencer work, not a drum machine in sight..... > >Oops. Sorry. Don't know what came over me - almost slipped into critic >mode there. > >Back to the true spirit of the group: >>'Edgar is very nice' >|'So is Chris. I think he may be God really.' >>>'That young whipper-snapper Jerome has a silly haircut, doesn't he?' >>>>'How dare you insult someone who used to decorate some of the world's best albums!' >>'Edgar is very nice, though, isn't he?' >>>>'Steady now....' >etc. >etc. >8-) >Paul (the evil one) I agree with you. If Edgar were to get together with Chris F. or Peter Baumann and burn a CD/album with Mellotron/Moog and no equipment made after 1982 (except for mixing and possibily sequencing), I would pay $100 for it. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 5:17 pm Subject: Re: what is commercial? (was:'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: feldon@n... ><< >My general reaction is that though Edgar has been roundly > >criticized for going commercial, I think the people who left TD > >have gone more commercial than Edgar ever has. > >> > >i read comments like this all over the place...what exactly does it mean to >'go commercial'? sell more albums? become more accesible? cater to the >prevailing musical tastes? advertise more? any guesses? No, that means using gimmicky dainty instrument sounds and the short 'song' style as opposed to the old developing orchestration if you will. TD was all about the composition of the song back in the 70's and early 80's. Now it seems like it is based on sounding as modern as possible with heavy drum use. Heck, TD barely touched drums in the 70's and 80's and they did quite nicely... (From a frustrated old-TD lover) Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 12:18 pm Subject: Re: Edgar's Birthplace Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> Further to my last mail...I just looked at the map and Sovetsk (Tilist) is indeed just a few miles away from the Lithuanian border. I guess he was probably really born outside of Tilsit...in what is now (again) Lithuania... Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 12:18 pm Subject: Re: Edgar's Birthplace Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> Further to my last mail...I just looked at the map and Sovetsk (Tilist) is indeed just a few miles away from the Lithuanian border. I guess he was probably really born outside of Tilsit...in what is now (again) Lithuania... Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 4:08 pm Subject: Re: tatort Really-From: sean > You probably don't mean the 'White Eagle' Version 'Das Maedchen auf > der Treppe' (In this Tatort Movie you also find 'Network 23' from > Exit played at somewhat lower speed). This is the version of White Eagle that appears on the Tangents box set, is it not? Has any of TDs other music from Tatort been released on CD....except for the 70/90 disk? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 4:18 pm Subject: Re: FROESE LPS Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Perhaps this should be part of the FAQ. 'Macula Transfer' and 'Ages' are the two solo Froese albums that were never released on CD. And believe me, this pains me a great deal, especially since I don't have 'Ages' on vinyl. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 6:53 pm Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' ---------- From: tadream@c... To: tadream@c... Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Date: Tuesday, January 14, 1997 1:05PM Really-From: ajogon@m... Speaking of backwards, I found this in rec.music.ambient: << From: painpete@a... (PainPete) Newsgroups: rec.music.ambient Subject: Pheadra-esque Disks Date: 12 Jan 1997 14:03:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <19970112140100.JAA21458@l...> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@a... (...) For years I didn't know my cassette of Pheadra was defective--It was all backwards! And it still became one of my favorites. After awhile I noticed it was backwards but assumed it was intentional. It wasn't until I heard another copy that I figured it out (and that took awhile to notice too...I had to verify my suspicions on a 4-track to be sure I didn't just have some different version on import or something). Now I like it equally both ways! It's almost like having a double album! Try that if you want another perspective. It retains pretty much the same feel as the other way but it is a different experience. If you have a 4-track, open reel deck, or a digital editor you can flip-flop it that way. (...) >> Well, I suggest that after the D:Zoning week, we start the discussion of the backward versions of TD albums :-) Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 6:54 pm Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Well, I suggest that after the D:Zoning week, we start the discussion >of the backward versions of TD albums :-) And we could do it in reverse alphabetical order! :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 3:14 pm Subject: Re: I found MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> I stumbled across a mint copy of MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain >> label for $7.99 yesterday. >> >>WHERE? DO YOU MEAN ON CD???!!!!! I gotta get one!! Catalog number? >>Brain has never issued CD's. Their parent company, Metronome, re-issued >>some of their stuff, but to my knowledge, after Brain died, nothing >>appeared with the Brain label. >I have seen 'Brain' CDs. I don't know what company was responsible for >issuing them, but they had the Brain logo. Klaus Schulze, >'Mediterranean Pads' was one (I'm looking at it as I write this) and >I've seen others -- all white albums with the Brain logo on the back in >the lower left. I stand corrected. I checked with the author of the article I mentioned, and he said Metronome re-issued the Brain catalogue with the Brain logo, but the company was defunct by then. A similar situation occurred with the Grateful Dead's albums Blues for Allah, Wake of the Flood and Steal Your Face. These were issued originally on Grateful Dead records, then re-issued on CD in the '80s. GD records was no more, but the CD's said GD records anyway. Scott P.S. I will definitely post that article from Progression. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 8:00 pm Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Really-From: sean > Well, I suggest that after the D:Zoning week, we start the discussion > of the backward versions of TD albums :-) Perhaps Destination Berlin, Turn of the Tides and Cyclone were all recorded backwards, concealing the true scope of their awesomeness? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 8:05 pm Subject: TD Tickets for the Berlin concert Really-From: Gary Struhlik <101652.2060@c...> Today (January 14) I called the number of 'Moderne Welt', Germany Stuttgart (+49 30 711 9547474) to order tickets for the Berlin concert. The lady said that the ticket ordering for the Berlin show will be delayed, because of some problems and I should try again next week. My local ticket office confirmed that you can order other tickets for the German tour but not for Berlin. There is no chance to get ticket this week. Gary S. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Re: Soundtrack question Really-From: Michal Balcerzak >I came up with a list of films I know TD did the soundtrack for, but I >want to know, are there any more? Once I've heard TD (I think it was from Melrose ?) in very poor brazilian soap opera. But in my opinion TD music was simply stolen. Balcer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 11:22 pm Subject: The Keep Really-From: Kent Eskildsen Hi, there... The Keep was actually on the satelite channel TV Norge last sunday. I was doing something else, so I just had the the TV running without the sound (recognize that situation?), when I suddenly realised that this must be The Keep, which everybody on the list was talking about, so I pumped up the wolume in a flash. I had not seen it before, but I think it was all right. Well, the ending was a little bit 'too much'! The music was - as always in TD soundtracks - in too manu short pieces, but there was a longer piece with choir which sounded interesting - almost classical in nature. Another funny thing; In the beginning of the film there was a small boat crossing some ocean in the sunrise. Many years ago Edgar Froese played a piece called 'Fishermanns Morning' from The Keep in a german radioprogram. I`ve always liked that piece of music very much and wondered what the pictures to this might be - I guess I have seen it now, but this time without the music... Kent Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2488 The Keep AslanFan1@a... Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2491 Re: The Keep Sean Montgomery Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2541 Re: The Keep feldon@n... Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB 2937 Re: The Keep Becki Aquino Tue 4/22/1997 2 KB 8707 The Keep Lawry Simm Fri 11/14/1997 2 KB 8896 Re: The Keep Lawry Simm Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB 8905 Re: The Keep Plumer, Scott Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB 8915 Re: The Keep Michael Fox Thu 11/20/1997 4 KB 9094 Re: The Keep TangerineC@a... Wed 11/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 3:29 pm Subject: Poland photos question Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I was reading the brief history of TD on their web page, and it mentioned that at the Warsaw concer, they played in cold weather, wearing gloves, etc., yet the photos of them on stage that are in the Poland LP show them in short sleeve shirts, Johannes with his sleeves rolled up and looking a little sweaty. Is it safe to say these photos are not from the show? I also wonder because they have differnent clothes on in two pictures. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 221 Re: Poland photos question ToneLab@a... Fri 1/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 2:42 pm Subject: ATTN STEVE FELDMAN Really-From: Michael A Jean If you still have a copy of my initial 'KEEP' comment, will you please forward it to the list. Apparently the followup has generated some interest, and I don't have a copy of the comment I sent to you... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 4:41 pm Subject: Dead Solid Perfect question Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I was looking in the 'Great Rock Discography' today, reading up on our favorite band, and noticed that in the track listing for 'Dead Solid Perfect,' it lists one of the tracks as 'A Whore in One.' Is that correct? I wonder because for Optical Race they list the last track as 'Ghtrezi (long song).' Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 211 Re: Dead Solid Perfect question sean Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 1:43 pm Subject: Re: what is commercial? (was:'The London Concert' - criticismand other heresies Really-From: feldon@n... >> No, that means using gimmicky dainty instrument sounds and the short >'song' >> style as opposed to the old developing orchestration if you will. TD was >all >> about the composition of the song back in the 70's and early 80's. Now it >> seems like it is based on sounding as modern as possible with heavy drum >> use. Heck, TD barely touched drums in the 70's and 80's and they did >quite >> nicely... >> >> (From a frustrated old-TD lover) > >I absolutely agree with you. >BUT, today you still can make good music also on digital equipment. >Only some of the musicians don't bother to program it correctly. >But then again, nothing like the old Moog and Mellotron. (and about >all of the analog stuff). >One thing still wonders me. I have a very simple monphonic synth >which I bought 2nd hand from somebody for just a fart. >The filter inside is absolutely fantastic. My point is that nowadays >they make special DSP-processors to make filters etc. but they >still sound like shit. Haven't 'they' learned anything? > >Marcel Engels >fsp@p... > Not to double back on myself, but I do listen to Dream Mixes, Rockoon, Miracle Mile, 220 Volt, and Turn of the Tides. But I guess what I'm saying is, Edgar, release some of 'dat Froese/Franke music! Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 11:55 pm Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Really-From: Mark Filipak On Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:00:03 -0500 (EST) sean wrote: <<<< > Well, I suggest that after the D:Zoning week, we start the discussion > of the backward versions of TD albums :-) Perhaps Destination Berlin, Turn of the Tides and Cyclone were all recorded backwards, concealing the true scope of their awesomeness? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' >>>> Cyclone recorded backwards so that the words would come out forwards. That'd be quite a trick! Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 2:11 am Subject: RE: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: Mark Filipak >I'm sorry I forgot Johannes Schmoelling. I find 'Wuivend Riet' to be a >totally honest, spontaneous, and heartfelt work. It's too bad that >almost guarantees commercial oblivion. I originally found this album as a cut-out LP in a used record store (it wasn't opened, though) in 1988 (less than two years after it's release I would guess). Shows just how much good music is appreciated... Between popular music and traffic, I'm really beginning to wonder how much longer civilization is going to last... - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 210 Schmoelling in remainders bin - and other heresie sean Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 2:44 pm Subject: Haslinger: 'Tycho Brahe' Really-From: Mark Filipak On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:51:50 -0500 (EST) Gabe Yedid wrote: <<<< > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > My general reaction is that though Edgar has been roundly > > criticized for going commercial, I think the people who left TD > > have gone more commercial than Edgar ever has. Also, I think > > that Tangerine Dream is and always has been Edgar's band and > > that it continues to retain the essence of the Dream, even > > today. -snip- As Paul Haslinger, he will probably keep on the global/ethnic path. He has other projects, though, like Coma Virus, where he'll explore different facets of his musical personality (e.g. the 'Lightwave' style). > Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer Gabe >>>> I bought Lightwave's 'Tycho Brahe' for Marshall Wood and decided that before I send it, I should listen to it and make sure it's okay -- so I did. (Now I wish I could keep it.) What a wonderful album. It blew me away. Now I'm going to be looking for one for me! I'll try to describe it. 'Tycho Brahe' is very spacey; with long ambient synth drones and many intreguing and surprising sounds that rise up in happy clusters from time to time only to die off gradually. Sometimes these sounds are tinkely, sometimes rough, sometimes a violin, sometimes a growl, but always subdued and somehow appropriate; and with lots of what Marcel would call interesting spaces around the music. And music it is -- recognizably so -- but abstract -- just at that very engaging boundary between recognition and random sounds, like some of Eno's ambient series. I worked to this music for several hours and never found any of it either overly demanding or boring. I highly recommend it. And obviously, it is about as non-commercial as it could be. Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 5:45 pm Subject: RE: Schmoelling, TDI, etc Really-From: 'Whitton, Edward EJ' That's odd as I found it in HMV. I didn't think it was an import. I'll check when I get home.... TED ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ted Whitton - Senior Information Systems Office Development Team - Kent Fire Brigade Headquarters Tovil, Maidstone, Kent. ME15 6XB. England E-Mail: ted.whitton@k... Tel: +44 1622 698243 FAX: +44 1622 698240 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 11:13 pm Subject: Re: FROESE LPS - 'Ages' Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Phil, I believe the context here was 'Ages.' I don't think it was ever released as a CD. I would like to find a good quality LP and digitize it, clean it, equalize it, and master it to CDR. Know anybody who'd be up for that and has the LP? Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 213 Re: FROESE LPS - 'Ages' Qar@a... Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB 226 Re: FROESE LPS - 'Ages' PNaunton@a... Thu 1/16/1997 2 KB 2029 Re: FROESE LPS - 'Ages' klaatu@p... Sat 3/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 7:43 pm Subject: Schmoelling in remainders bin - and other heresies Really-From: sean > I originally found this album as a cut-out LP in a used record > store (it wasn't opened, though) That's how I got my copy too! I paid 5 dollars for it ($3.50 American!) I almost felt guilty. I take it that Wuivend Reit was deleted by the record company then? What a shame. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 7:45 pm Subject: Re: Dead Solid Perfect question Really-From: sean > I was looking in the 'Great Rock Discography' today, reading up on our > favorite band, and noticed that in the track listing for 'Dead Solid > Perfect,' it lists one of the tracks as 'A Whore in One.' Is that > correct? It is, sad to say, correct. DSP has some of TDs more embarrasing song titles (My Name is Bad Hair, Golfus Interruptus), names which the band could not possibly have come up with themselves. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 5:15 am Subject: tadream digest Really-From: CPhill3585@a... unsubscribe tadream CPhill3585@a... subscribe tadream-digest CPhill3586@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 3:43 am Subject: Re: FROESE LPS - 'Ages' Really-From: Qar@a... Please please please please take my address off your system. Thanks, Pat From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 7:53 pm Subject: Brain/Ohr article from Progression magazine (long) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' This is an article that was featured in Progression magazine a few months ago. It discusses the history of Brain and Ohr records. It is reprinted here by kind permission of the author. ACROSS THE CHANNEL by Allen Gunnison This installment of 'Across the Channel' will look into the world of progressive rock record labels from Europe. There have been a host of more or less independent labels that have cropped up over the last 25 years with the most intriguing country being West Germany. It spawned some of the most interesting labels. The seventies were a kinder and gentler decade for music in general and progressive rock in particular. The development of AOR (album oriented rock) radio allowed for great diversity of musical styles. AOR evolved from the underground radio of the late sixties. The progressive era began as the psychedelic era died. Top 40 was a dirty word and radio programmers were ready and willing to experiment with a wider variety of music. 'Rolling Stone' magazine had not yet declared progressive rock an inappropriate form of rock music. It usually started on the overnight shift, where DJs were free from time and commercial restraints. Radio stations routinely played extended tracks, since the rush for profit wasn't as poweful as it is today. Moreover, the long running times of the cuts gave the overnight disc jockey's a running shot at the bathroom. It may be difficult to imagine in the grunge plagued world of the mid-1990s, but the original 'alternative rock' was progressive rock. It was alternative to the mainstream which 25 years ago was the three minute Top 40 song. I was part of an early experiment in college radio at Kent State University. WKSU-FM started 'Fresh Air.' It ran seven days a week from 11:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m. The playlist was a pantheon of progressive rock with King Crimson, Genesis and Van Der Graaf Generator the norm and not the exception. '70s rock bands from any genre didn't need hit singles to succeed. Led Zeppelin had only one top ten single ('Whole Lotta Love') and no rock band was more successful than Zeppelin in the '70s or any decade. Many of the major record labels jumped into the deep end head first. They signed all types of artists and success came from some unlikely places. 20 years ago a record label was needed for any band to succeed. The goal of any band was to get signed. The cost of making vinyl records really prohibited bands from developing their own careers. The few independent labels that did exist had a magical quality. The three German labels, Brain, Ohr and Kosmische Musik, were the most visable. They all had some association with Metronome GmbH. Metronome was a full service label based in Hamburg with all types of music from classical to German pop. Metronome has been purchased by an international conglomerate and no longer exists. Brain was the biggest of the three and a direct subsidiary of Metronome. There were more than 100 releases on Brain. The label was not exclusively for progressive bands, but even the more mainstream bands had a bizarre quality to them. Most of the albums were from German artist, but they also released German pressings of bands like Caravan and Greenslade. All the albums featured that unique Brain logo (see figure 1) where the word 'Brain' became the brain on the label. The earlier releases, up to about #1060, the logo was Brain with Metronome just below (see figure 2). Some people think that these albums had better pressings and increased fidelity. It is difficult to say because all the Brain albums featured almost immaculate vinyl. The first release was 'Lonesome Crow' by the Scorpions #1001. I've never seen a Brain copy of this album. It was released on Billingsgate in the States and later reissued on another Metronome label by the mid-seventies. Second was Jane's 'Together' and there are other notable albums from the first 10 releases including the work of Neu, Cluster, Guru Guru and Grobschnitt. The first Grobschnitt #1008 from 1972 was more psych than progressive, but hinted at better things to come. The first 10 releases provide plenty of electronic and psychedelic madness. The next 10 catalog numbers from 1011 to 1020 include some of the rarest on the Brain label. Gash, 'A Young Man's Gash' #1014 was extremely difficult to track down and a lost classic with extraordinary cover art from P.V. Spreckelsen. Os Mundi, '43 Minuten' #1015 is an album that's music almost defies description. Creative Rock 'Gorilla' #1017 is fairly middle of the road rock. The first Thirsty Moon #1021 from 1972 remains one of the great albums from the jazz-rock genre. This seven man operation from Berman could share the stage with any band in Europe. It had just about two of everything -- keyboards, guitars and brothers. The cover art of Gil Funcius defined the whole concept of cover art. As far as I know, this album has not been reissued on CD. Novalis' 'Banished Bridge' #1029 was their first and only one with English language vocals. Curly Curve #1040 was one of those hard to define album's. It was primarily hard rock, but with something extra. Thirsty Moon 'You'll Never Come Back' #1041 was their last great album and the last one with a seven man line-up. Like the first it features great cover art by Gil Funcius. The only Brain release for Satin Whale 'Desert Places' #1049 and displayed their unique sound that mixed a little more rock than jazz. Edgar Froese's first solo project 'Aqua' came out on #1053 while Klaus Schulze's first album on the Brain label was 'Blackdance' #1051. Froese and Schulze were and still are two of the heavy-hitters in the world of synthesizer music that was once called space music. Unfortunately, they got lumped into the world of 'sewage' (new age if you want to be precise). 'Ballerman' #2/1050 was the first of the true classic albums from Grobschnitt. This double LP has one album just for the studio version of 'Solar Music.' The photographs of the band on the cover give a hint to the insanity that was yet to come. Brain release two versions of 'Jumbo' #1076 was the English language album and #1081 was in German. The German pressing had a black cover and was rarely imported. Novalis released their second album as Brain #1070. It was their only album with guitarist Carlos Kargas. They also began the exclusive use of German vocals. Thirsty Moon trimmed its roster to a quartet for 'Blitz.' Unfortunately, they trimmed out most of the talent. This instrumental album is filled with fairly ordinary funky jazz-rock. Brain changed their numbering system after #2/1091 'Brain: History of German Rock.' It was about this time that some of the magic came out of the label the first 90 releases were special. Metronome switched the numbering system to a 60 prefix for single albums and an 80 prefix for double albums followed by a three digit number, e.g., 60.291 or 80.121. The labels on the Brain albums came in different colors. The majority of the LPs featured a green label with the Brain logo. In 1976, they switched to orange. Grobschnitt was a special band and had some of their later albums released with a black label including 'Illegal' and 'Razzia.' Ohr began in Berlin in 1970 as an outlet for the growing psychedelic scene in Germany. The logo was a human ear on a white background with the phrase 'Macht das Auf.' Ohr was reserved for some of Germany's strangest musical pioneers. The first release was Floh De Cologne, 'Fleissbandbabys Beat Show' OMM 556 000. Floh De Cologne made four albums for Ohr and two of them were live. The music is difficult to describe. It was hard rock, but with an added dose of psychedelic insanity that made them nearly unlistenable. Limbus 4 'Mandalas,' OMM 56 001 couldn't even be defined as rock. It's a hodgepodge of assorted western and third world instruments. This four man group from Heidelberg may have indulged a little too heavily on the chemicals of the time. It had great gimmick packaging with a yellow balloon inserted in the middle of the pink cover. It's difficult to find one with the balloon still attached. I have one if anyone is interested. The initial Tangerine Dream album 'Electronic Meditation' was released in 1970 with the catalog number OMM 556 004. This album is the only appearance of the Froese, (C)laus Schulze and Conny Schnitzler trio. Who would have believed that a version of Tangerine Dream would still be active in 1995 with a back catalog of more than 50 albums. The original pressings of 'Alpha Centauri' OMM 556 012, 'Zeit' OMM 556 021 and 'Atem' OMM 556 031 are still highly collectable. There were many other legendary albums from the Ohr label. Ash Ra Tempel OMM 556 013, 'Schwingungen' OMM 556 020 and 'Join In' OMM 556 032. Ash Ra was one of the pioneers in electronic music with Manual Gottsching on the guitar and other devices. The first Klaus Schulze solo album 'Irrlicht' originally appeared on Ohr, OMM 556 022. The album mixes electronic sounds with an orchestra and is subtitled 'A Quadrophonic Symphonie fur Orchester und E-Maschinen.' The session was unusual to say the least. It seems that the orchestra conductor never could quite grasp the concept of the project. In fact, he thought Schulze was nuts. 'Irrlicht' would be the only Schulze complete album on Ohr. One of the most interesting artifacts of the time was the 'Kosmische Musik' sampler OMM 2/556 027. Popul Vuh, Ash Ra Tempel, Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze all contributed to this double LP. Most of the tracks were from earlier albums, but Schulze and Ash Ra Tempel created original work for this album. It's a very attractive package with M.C. Eischer cover art and a booklet that provides information (in German) on the groups and a history of the space music movement. Timothy Leary is mentioned several times and that should provide some clues as to where these guys' heads were at some 25 years ago. Other notable albums from the Ohr label include Embryo 'Opal' OMM 556 003, Guru Guru 'UFO' OMM 556 005 and 'Hinten' and Annexus Quam 'Osmose' OMM 556 007 and 'Beziehungen' OMM 556 028. Kosmische Musik was the smallest of the three labels. It was reserved for the space music crowd and included some of the comic jams that featured most of the top German electronic artists. The Cosmic Jokers, which was a who's who of German electronic musicians, had two albums KM 58 008 and 'Planet Sit In' KM 58 013 Ash Ra Tempel 'Seven Up' was first at KM 58 001. Klaus Schulze's classic space album 'Cyborg' KM 58 005 remains one of the great double albums of all time. It's a sonic powerhouse on all levels. The original has a different cover than the Brain reissue. Wallenstein's 'Cosmic Century' KM 58 006 and 'Stories, Songs & Symphonies KM 58 014 are the only two albums on KM that could be called straight progressive. These are actually their third and fourth albums after 'Mother Universe' and Blitzkreig.' Jurgen Dollase (keyboards) and Harald Grosskopf (drums) led this five piece band. All the KM albums were the sound of the Cosmic Couriers. I'm not quite sure what the Cosmic Couriers were all about, but they had an address -- The International Cosmic Courier Club, Cosmic News, 5 Koln 80, Postfach 850227. I doubt if anyone is still manning the space ship. I tried to complete my list of catalog numbers for this article, but I came up a little short. I know several individuals who claim they have all the numbers, but they would never send me their lists. I'm sure there is a book out there that has this information, unfortunately I don't have it. I know that there were two albums by the British group If on Brain. Light's 'Story of Moses' was a very early Brain number. Walter Wegmuller's 'Tarot' was on Kosmische Musik and Walpurgis had an album on either Ohr or Brain. If anyone can fill in any of the numbers write me at P.O. Box 29361, Cleveland, OH 44129 and 'Progression' will up date the list in the next issue. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 16, 1997 3:31 am Subject: thanks for article Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) >This is an article that was featured in Progression magazine a few >months ago. It discusses the history of Brain and Ohr records. It is >reprinted here by kind permission of the author. Thanks a lot, that was nice to read! Two small remarks for those who can't read german: >The first release was Floh De Cologne, 'Fleissbandbabys Beat Show' OMM Probably it is 'Fliessbandbabys' which would mean 'construction belt babys'. >the phrase 'Macht das Auf.' Ohr was reserved for some of Germany's It is actually ''Macht das [the ear-logo] auf'', so it should mean ''Macht das Ohr auf'', in english: open your ears. I've never seen the original Ohr releases of Alpha Centauri, Zeit, and Atem. The Ohr-Electronic Meditation is exhibited in the museum for the history of the Federal Republic of Germany in Bonn. The Virgin reprints of Electronic Meditation also do have the Ohr logo (at least I've got a copy of these). Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 247 Re: thanks for article PNaunton@a... Fri 1/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 16, 1997 4:43 am Subject: Missing digest... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, Looks like I didn't receive the digest today. Did something go wrong with the server or did it just give up under the weight of posts from Mr. Filipak? Cheers David Tranquility Bass Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 219 Re: Missing digest... David Datta Fri 1/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #805: Stratosfear Really-From: spride@c... (Simon Pride) In-Reply-To: <199701151055.EAA03560@c...> > I agree with you. If Edgar were to get together with Chris F. or Peter > Baumann and burn a CD/album with Mellotron/Moog and no equipment made > after > 1982 (except for mixing and possibily sequencing), I would pay $100 for > it. Can I suggest you hear Mark Shreeve's latest album, 'Red Shift', which is basically FFB-era TD? Und jetzt auf Deutsch: Darf ich dir fragen, das neuen Album Mark Shreeves zu horen (der 'Red Shift' heisst)? Es scheint mir wie klassiche TD.. Es gibt auch noch hier ein andere Gruppe, 'Air Sculpture' genommen, wer spielen ganz im Art von klassiche TD. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 11:35 pm Subject: Re: 'Pacific Coast Highway' going, going, ... (fwd) Really-From: Mark Jones Following are my thoughts on Franke's 'PCH' project: I never considered this album as 'New Age,' whatever that is anymore,which gives it some credit. It didn't immediately sound prepackaged-happy, as many albums do. I enjoyed the California ambience he created by using the guitar, piano, and flute instrumentation for the melodic structures and framing them with the lush electric harmonies and chord washes. A nice job of orchestration. I also liked the abstract-portrait effect, eliminating any concrete narrative and relying wholly on the listener's imagination to create the meaning around the phrases. Coincidentally, the album makes for excellent driving music, which might be what he intended to begin with. I live in the desert, so there's little ocean around, but his music goes down very well while hitting I-10 at rush hour as the sun sets. At the same time, I was kind of disappointed with some of the 'flat' qualities to the album. I'm not talking sonic excitement, but more a sense of variation and difference in approach. The album also has a curiously flat overtone. It's given to the same emotional feel over and over again, just with a different melody line. Usually, good music (for me) works just the opposite: taking similar variations of one theme and creating a variety of emotional effects with them. That's what I've always admired about TD. And some songs were just plain stupid. For example, Purple Waves, which shows promise for the first minute or so, unfortunately descends into a nauseating sea of self-pity (ref the bird-cry and alienated radio voices) ala later era Floyd. Rather unoriginal. However, I like the CD enough to keep it for the occasional moment when it seems like a really good idea to play it. So there's my $.02, and quite a lot of words for it. I'm new to the list and to discussion groups in general, but I'm glad to be here and to see that there are in fact a lot of people who are interested in electronic music to give it some intelligent and critical discussion. If anyone wants to post separate to the list, my email address is below. Thanks for keeping the Net interesting. ********************************** Mark 'Illegitimus non carborundum.' mjones@j... ********************************** >>>> Sorry Mark. It was a little presumptive of me to assume you were just unsure about posting to the whole list, wasn't it? Track 12 of 'Pacific Coast Highway' is titled 'Electric Becomes Eclectic.' By writing about Track 12: 'Done much better by Deuter, Kamal, Anugama, ...' what I mean is, I think Chris' work is derivative. That Chris is ripping off any one of three new age artists that used flute with reverb, better and more originally. I didn't even mention Paul Horn and I should have because everybody have been ripping him off ever since 'Inside' -- where the reverb was real reverberations within the Taj Mahal! -- an absolututely amazing album. But by 1991, such treatments were/are pretty passe -- afterall, how would you react if Chris incorporated whale sounds? -- get my point. That doesn't mean that reverb flute is off limits. It just means either 1, you'd better be damned good (better than Paul Horn -- isn't going to happen), or 2, you'd better combine this trite approach with something original (something, if you are Chris Franke, that only Chris Franke would think of). Do you agree? Regards, Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 16, 1997 12:46 am Subject: Re: Missing digest... Really-From: David Datta In article <5bjkqh$h59$1@n...> you wrote: : Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) : Looks like I didn't receive the digest today. Did something go wrong with : the server or did it just give up under the weight of posts from Mr. : Filipak? There was no digest Wed, cs.uwp.edu was down all night and a digest was not generated. All messages will appear in the next digest. Of course, so will this message. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 16, 1997 12:51 am Subject: There will be no digest this saturday morning. Really-From: David Datta This coming friday night & saturday morning, the campus building this box is in will not have power there will not be a digest generated... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 16, 1997 1:29 am Subject: Re: Poland photos question Really-From: ToneLab@a... In a message dated 97-01-15 13:40:51 EST, you write: << Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I was reading the brief history of TD on their web page, and it mentioned that at the Warsaw concer, they played in cold weather, wearing gloves, etc., yet the photos of them on stage that are in the Poland LP show them in short sleeve shirts, Johannes with his sleeves rolled up and looking a little sweaty. Is it safe to say these photos are not from the show? I also wonder because they have differnent clothes on in two pictures. Scott >> i have a video of the first thirty minutes of the performance (side 1) and it doesn't look like they're very cold ... i must agree with you that it seems like a normal indoor weather thing ... george From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 16, 1997 4:18 am Subject: Re: Green Desert - Original Cover Really-From: sean > > I don't have it in front of right now, but the version of Green Desert > > I have is totally green....it has some cheesy computer 'Tron' like > > graphics on it. I can be more specific now. > GREEN DESERT > 1CD [1986] Jive-DE- C TANG 1 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is the version that I have. The reissue on Jive Electro. My memory served me well. Really cheapo packaging on this one. The cover is a black and green computer generated grid pattern, with the odd pyramid thrown in to add that 'mystery' angle. Text in Copperplate Gothic font. The back is plain green (an emerald green) with just the song titles and a big ass UPC code. The booklet offers the standard band history ('name inspired by the Beatles 'Sargeant Pepper' album'....YAWN!), and a band picture circa 1973. Edgar seems to have a....is that a joint in his hand? Well, he seems to be smoking something, anyway. I seem to recall reading an interview in which Edgar stated he gave up all drugs around 76 or 77. Anyway, there ya go. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 16, 1997 4:26 am Subject: D: Stratosfear Really-From: Boneheads1@a... I seldom listen to Stratosfear. It seems to have captured a mood at a time very well. I had forgotten the similarities between 'The Big Sleep In Search Of Hades' and the end of Encore. Looking at the cover I would call it brilliant. I remember someone telling me of people levitating at the beginning of 3 A.M. At The Border Of The Marsh From Okefenokee. I guess this is Peter Baumann's last studio album with 'em. He provided counterpoint even in silence. This is some of the only TD music I ever heard play on prime time radio. Stratosfear seemed like such a change in direction after Phaedra, Rubycon and even Ricochet. It also came out at the exact same time as Macula Trancefer. If you listen to it over and over it turns into Zeit. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Wuivend Reit Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...> >>I'm sorry I forgot Johannes Schmoelling. I find 'Wuivend Riet' to be a >>totally honest, spontaneous, and heartfelt work. It's too bad that >>almost guarantees commercial oblivion. >I originally found this album as a cut-out LP in a used record >store (it wasn't opened, though) in 1988 (less than two years >after it's release I would guess). Shows just how much good >music is appreciated... Lifestyle, the label that released Wuivend Reit in the U. S., went out of business quickly. I don't know what other albums they released. From their name, and the little bird emblem on the logo, I assume they tried to ride the New Age bandwagon. Actually, I think that Wuivend Reit was fairly well received, particularly the song 'Matjora is Still Alive'. I still hear this tune occasionally on a local (San Francisco) station. The announcer inevitably stumbles over his name and the titles. When it first came out it got regular airplay though. I wouldn't be surprised that album airplay and sales were hurt by Johanneses difficult to pronounce name, along with the difficult to pronounce album title and 'hit' song. One can imagine someone hearing 'Matjora is Still Alive' on the radio and attempting to ask their local record store clerk for that album by....ummmmm.... >>Bob<< Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 232 Re: Wuivend Reit PENFOLD Thu 1/16/1997 3 KB 240 Re: Wuivend Reit DreamQ@a... Fri 1/17/1997 2 KB 241 Re: Wuivend Reit DreamQ@a... Fri 1/17/1997 2 KB 242 Re: Wuivend Reit Jim Moore Fri 1/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 16, 1997 6:00 am Subject: Dream roots Really-From: AslanFan1@a... Just got the box set from RPM records. A few quick thoughts. The 5th disk of new materials blows away the new material on Tangents (except Silver Scale). Two of the tracks are actually quite good, one is alright (although a bit demo-ish sounding) and one's kind of a snoozer. The reworks of the early material (disc1) make the songs listenable for the first time, as for me, the originals before Green Desert were painfully abstract and tedious. It's got an impressive collection of photos, including tag lines stating the year and location of each shot. For the life of me, I can't understand why Dolphin Smile was left off of this set, though. Still, the new material was a pleasant surprise. Let's hope Edgar continues to open the vaults and let the jewels out. . . From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 16, 1997 6:31 am Subject: Re: FROESE LPS - 'Ages' Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-01-14 18:17:50 EST, you write: << I would like to find a good quality LP and digitize it, clean it, equalize it, and master it to CDR. Know anybody who'd be up for that and has the LP? Mark >> I also missed the LP release, but if you can manage the above I would certainly be willing to pay for your time, effort, and materials if you could send a copy my way. Or is that illegal? Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 16, 1997 6:36 am Subject: Jive TANG Mystery Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi gang. Still more early mysteries to clear up -- with the help of you folk who have the old CDs. The five albums below (first five if you consider when 'Green Desert' was performed, not released) came out on CD at about the same time (same year?) from Jive Electro. Sean Montgomery has identified C TANG 1 as the version of 'Green Desert' with a 'Tron' look to it -- very different. Someone else (sorry, I can't remember who -- perhaps it was Sean) said that all of them came out with 'different' covers. Before confusion ensues, there was a 6LP reissue in 86 that had them all on vinyl with different sleeves, but I'm talking CDs here. Also, Dave Datta apparently has an error in his discography because these came from his list and there are two 'C TANG1's and no 'C TANG4'. Sean has confirmed that his 'Green Desert' is C TANG 1, so that means that the 'Electronic Meditation' CD from Jive must have been C TANG 4. Can anyone confirm this. And were they all issued in 86 from the UK? Thanks ELECTRONIC MEDITATION [1986] Jive-UK- CTANG1 ALPHA CENTAURI [19??] Jive-UK?- C TANG 5 ZEIT [19??] Jive-??- C TANG 3 ATEM [19??] Jive-??- C TANG 2 GREEN DESERT [1986] Jive-DE- C TANG 1 (Cover: Black/green grid pattern) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 237 Re: Jive TANG Mystery ajogon@m... Thu 1/16/1997 2 KB 275 Re: Jive TANG Mystery William Forbes Sat 1/18/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 16, 1997 12:21 pm Subject: RE: TD-books? Really-From: 'Whitton, Edward EJ' I know some people think this is not on, but I have always wanted to know more about their personal lives. Their likes and dislikes, other music that influenced them. Their favorite places, food etc. I know many say this is private, I suppose it is, also some say it's trivia, I don't know, I just know I would be interested in it. Call me sad, I don't care :)))) TED ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ted Whitton - Senior Information Systems Officer Development Team - Kent Fire Brigade Headquarters Tovil, Maidstone, Kent. ME15 6XB. England E-Mail: ted.whitton@k... Tel: +44 1622 698243 FAX: +44 1622 698240 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 233 Re: TD-books? sean Thu 1/16/1997 2 KB 234 Re: TD-books? sean Thu 1/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 16, 1997 8:48 pm Subject: Really-From: Armin Theissen > >I know some people think this is not on, but I have always wanted to >know more about their personal lives. Their likes and dislikes, other >music that influenced them. Their favorite places, food etc. I know many >say this is private, I suppose it is, also some say it's trivia, I don't >know, I just know I would be interested in it. > >Call me sad, I don't care :)))) > >TED > This could be very interesting, because I think the surroundings influence the music. If you're interested in the music which influenced them, have a look at the sleeve notes on 'Turn of the Tides'. Though it does not tell you what influences Edgar and what Jerome. Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 443 Armin Theissen Sat 1/25/1997 2 KB 478 Armin Theissen Mon 1/27/1997 3 KB 486 Re: Marcel Engels Mon 1/27/1997 2 KB 620 Armin Theissen Tue 2/4/1997 2 KB 658 FINDLAY B.J. BSC.ENG. Thu 2/6/1997 2 KB 718 Eduardo Nava D.C. (525) 230-2 Sat 2/8/1997 2 KB 779 Maxwell A. Croy Tue 2/11/1997 2 KB 787 Re: Gabe Yedid Tue 2/11/1997 2 KB 797 Re: Rich Maggio Wed 2/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 16, 1997 12:27 pm Subject: RE: Bowie! Really-From: 'Whitton, Edward EJ' Oh bugger! I saw the interview on and off but obviously missed the mention of Edgar..... Never mind :( TED ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ted Whitton - Senior Information Systems Officer Development Team - Kent Fire Brigade Headquarters Tovil, Maidstone, Kent. ME15 6XB. England E-Mail: ted.whitton@k... Tel: +44 1622 698243 FAX: +44 1622 698240 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59 am Subject: Quicktime & Macs (was 'Catwalk' CD-I) Really-From: Neal McAuley This is slightly off topic but I have to address something that's been bothering me since I keep seeing this quote over and over again and it galls me... >I'm not sure if it will run on a Mac, however it runs using >Quicktime. I'm a huge Mac fanatic/supporter/booster/whatever word you want to use here and I need to ask the original framer of this quote one question: Who do you think invented Quicktime... and the answer isn't Bill Gates Thanks for letting me vent ::flames off, Mac bias being put away:::: Neal :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 244 Re: Quicktime & Macs (was 'Catwalk' CD-I) Robert Grabowsky Fri 1/17/1997 3 KB 311 Re: Quicktime & Macs (was 'Catwalk' CD-I) rch@g... Tue 1/21/1997 2 KB 313 Re: Quicktime & Macs (was 'Catwalk' CD-I) PENFOLD Tue 1/21/1997 3 KB 328 Re: Quicktime & Macs (was 'Catwalk' CD-I) feldon@n... Wed 1/22/1997 2 KB 330 Re: Quicktime & Macs (was 'Catwalk' CD-I) Mark Filipak Wed 1/22/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 16, 1997 4:06 pm Subject: Re: Wuivend Reit At 00:39 97·01·16 EST, you wrote: >Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...> >I still hear this tune >occasionally on a local (San Francisco) station. The announcer inevitably >stumbles over his name and the titles KTWV 94.7FM. 'The Wave' used to play a lot of 'new age' stuff. And at one time actually had recorded the Artist announcing their own pieces. 'Matjora Is Still Alive' and 'Walking On Wooden Legs.' got quite a bit of airplay. NATIONAL SECURITY IS THE CHIEF CAUSE OF NATIONAL INSECURITY. /^\ | | Pete | penfold@a... | | semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 16, 1997 5:05 pm Subject: RE: TD-books? Really-From: sean > I know some people think this is not on, but I have always wanted to > know more about their personal lives. Their likes and dislikes, other > music that influenced them. You can check out my homepage; url below. More info than you'd probably ever want to know about me. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 16, 1997 5:07 pm Subject: RE: TD-books? Really-From: sean Oh, DUH!!! I get it...you mean, more about the BAND, not list members! I slappa my forehead. Sorry. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Let's settle this RISKY BUSINESS Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hello you guys, OK, I'll admit, I'm more than a bit confused by all of these RISKY BUSINESS variants. So what do you say--here's a rainy-day activity (well it's raining here in New York, at least)--can we come up with a list of all existing music from Risky Business in one place, with all the track times listed? And indicate which version is different from which? I'll pull together what we know from this recent exchange of info here and my memory, and let's fill in the blanks? Herm, you can add the finished product to your next FAQ to have this stuff settled in stone once and for all. :-) OK, here goes: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stuff from 'Risky Business Audio Movie Kit,' per Hermes >Track 1 - 1:21 No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) <--same or different as CD/2nd pressing and 1st pressing versions? >Track 2 - 1:46 Lana <--is this unique to the kit? >Track 3 - 3:04 Guido the Killer Pimp <---unique to kit >Track 4 - 0:30 (Porsche Plunge I) <---unique to kit >Track 5 - 0:24 (Porsche Plunge II) <---unique to kit >Track 6 - 0:11 (?) <---unique to kit >Track 7 - 0:57 Sobornost extract <---unique to kit >Track 8 - 3:08 Love on a Real Train <--different from CD/2nd LP pressing version -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuff from 'Risky Business' CD and 2nd LP release (I'm going off of memory here, someone fill in the blanks?).... 1--Dream is Always the Same (running time = x) 2--No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) (running time = x) 3-- Guido the Killer Pimp (running time = x) 4-- Love on a Real Train (running time = x) Am I forgetting another track? I think there's 5. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuff from first pressing of 'Risky Business' LP (Steven, can you help? And tell us which are different from CD/2nd LP pressing and other extant versions?) 1--?? 2--?? 3--?? 4--?? more?? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuff from 'Dream Sequence' (Steven, are these different from the first pressing of the LP?) 1--Dream is Always the Same (running time = x) 2--Love on a Real Train (running time = x) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuff from 'Tangents' (is there more than these two RB tracks on Tangents? Is 'Dream is Always the Same' actually on there, I think it is.) 1--Dream is Always the Same (running time = x) 2--Love on a Real Train (running time = x) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Live versions of 'Love on a Real Train': 1--from 'Antarktis' Berlin 1987 (running time = x) <--live, obviously slightly different from all other versions 2--from 'In den Garten...' i.e. 1990 UK tour (running time = x)<---multiple live performances, obviously slightly different from all other versions 3--from the 1992 US tour (running time = x)<---multiple live performances, obviously slightly different from all other versions 4--Any others??? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cover versions of 'Love on a Real Train' 1--from Global Communication's '76:14' (running time = x) 2--from 'Dream Music 2' (running time = x) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hermes, I'm still missing references to at least 1 more version of LOART. What's the other(s)? I'd check my CDs, LPs, tapes, Voices, etc., for most of this stuff but they're not handy at the moment. Anyone wanna contribute to this lunacy? :-) John Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 236 Re: Let's settle this RISKY BUSINESS sean Thu 1/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 16, 1997 6:05 pm Subject: Re: Let's settle this RISKY BUSINESS Really-From: sean > Stuff from 'Risky Business' CD and 2nd LP release (I'm going off of memory here, > someone fill in the blanks?).... > > 1--Dream is Always the Same (running time = x) > 2--No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) (running time = x) > 3-- Guido the Killer Pimp (running time = x) > 4-- Love on a Real Train (running time = x) > Am I forgetting another track? I think there's 5. Lana is the fifth track...a reworked version of the 'guitar' section of Force Majeure. > 4--Any others??? The version of LOART from the 220 Video. > Hermes, I'm still missing references to at least 1 more version of LOART. What's > the other(s)? Well....there are the numerous references to and reworkings of the track that have appeared over the years. A couple off the top of my head: -Running out of Time - from Miracle Mile -Bonding by Candlelight - Three o'Clock High Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 17, 1997 2:09 am Subject: Re: Jive TANG Mystery Really-From: ajogon@m... Hi Mark. I own the Jive release of 'Electronic Meditation', and I confirm it's C TANG 4. The cover shows the same 'Tron' look as in 'Green Desert', but in pink (perhaps to emphasize Pink Floyd influence? :-) ) I own also Jive 'Atem' as well as 'Green Desert', but the only year I can find in 'Atem' booklet is (P) 1973. Again the same pattern on the cover, this time in orange. The 3 CD's were 'made in Austria by DADC'. Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 16, 1997 9:07 pm Subject: Ages--->CDR/Mill Valley Film Festival Benefit date Really-From: 'Thomas B' A few people have asked me privately for the date of the Mill Valley Film Festival Benefit . Thought I'd list it here. 15 November 1986 at the Warfield Theatre San Francisco, CA. Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-01-14 18:17:50 EST, you write: << I would like to find a good quality LP and digitize it, clean it, equalize it, and master it to CDR. Know anybody who'd be up for that and has the LP? I've got a copy of Ages and I'd be up for it except I don't have the computer eqpt to do it--there's this guy in San Diego who can do all the NR stuff and burn the discs, but he wants ~$50 for a two disc set, so who knows. --Thomas B. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 239 Re: Ages--->CDR/Mill Valley Film Festival Benefit Vincent Goudreault Thu 1/16/1997 3 KB 249 Re: Ages--->CDR/Mill Valley Film Festival Benefit Plumer, Scott Fri 1/17/1997 2 KB 251 Invisible Limits - sampled sean Fri 1/17/1997 2 KB 250 Re: Ages--->CDR/Mill Valley Film Festival Benefit Vincent Goudreault Fri 1/17/1997 3 KB 642 Re: Ages--->CDR/Mill Valley Film Festival Benefit Whitton, Edward EJ Wed 2/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 16, 1997 9:40 pm Subject: Re: Ages--->CDR/Mill Valley Film Festival Benefit date Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jan 16, 9:07pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Ages--->CDR/Mill Valley Film Festival Benefit date > Really-From: 'Thomas B' > > > > << I would like to find a good quality LP and digitize > it, clean it, equalize it, and master it to CDR. Know anybody who'd be > up for that and has the LP? > > I've got a copy of Ages and I'd be up for it except I don't have the computer > eqpt to do it--there's this guy in San Diego who can do all the NR stuff and > burn the discs, but he wants ~$50 for a two disc set, so who knows. > > --Thomas B. > Have you spoken to him yet? What about 'bulk' prices, since he would only have to do the noise reduction once if he saves the 'master'? (eiger fans want to know) C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 17, 1997 12:39 am Subject: Re: Wuivend Reit Really-From: DreamQ@a... I no longer wish to stay subscribed to tadream.. Thank you From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 17, 1997 1:12 am Subject: Re: Wuivend Reit Really-From: DreamQ@a... Is there a problem? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 17, 1997 4:36 am Subject: RE: Wuivend Reit Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...> >One can imagine someone hearing 'Matjora is Still >Alive' on the radio and attempting to ask their local record store clerk for >that album by....ummmmm.... I actually heard Scmoelling himself introduce the song in a radio promo when I lived in Dallas... - jimbo *---------------------------------------------------------------------------* *'...I'll step out of these wet clothes, | jimbo@v... * * and into a dry martini...' | James Frederick Moore * * -- Bugs Bunny (as Groucho Marx) | *---------------------------------------------------------------------------* From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Update #1: Settling RISKY BUSINESS Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hello folks, OK, the first updates to the 'unofficial Risky Business Discography'. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stuff from 'Risky Business Audio Movie Kit' >Track 1 - 1:21 No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) <--same or different as CD/2nd pressing and 1st pressing versions? >Track 2 - 1:46 Lana <--is the content unique to the kit or just an edit? >Track 3 - 3:04 Guido the Killer Pimp <---is this unique to kit or just an edit? >Track 4 - 0:30 (Porsche Plunge I) <---unique to kit >Track 5 - 0:24 (Porsche Plunge II) <---unique to kit >Track 6 - 0:11 (?) <---unique to kit >Track 7 - 0:57 Sobornost extract <---unique to kit >Track 8 - 3:08 Love on a Real Train <--different from CD/2nd LP pressing version >Also, a silly promo and interview with Chris Franke (RT = x) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuff from 'Risky Business' CD and 2nd LP release 1--Dream is Always the Same (RT = 3'45') 2--No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) (RT = 2'00') 3--Guido the Killer Pimp (RT = 4'21') 4--Lana (RT = 3'54') 5--Love on a Real Train (RT = 3'59') -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuff from first USA pressing of 'Risky Business' LP (Steven/Hermes, can you tell us which are different from CD/2nd LP pressing and other extant versions? And can you confirm the running times--these are from VITD) 1--Dream is Always the Same (RT = 2'20') 2--No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) (RT = 2'55') 3--Guido the Killer Pimp (RT = 4'17') 4--Lana (RT = 3'52') 5--Love on a Real Train (RT = 2'15') -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuff from 'Dream Sequence' (Are these different from the first pressing of the LP?) 1--Dream is Always the Same (running time = 3'42') 2--Love on a Real Train (running time = 3'58') -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuff from 'Tangents' 1--Dream is Always the Same (RT = 3'28') 2--Love on a Real Train (called 'Risky Business' in this set) (RT = 5'10') <--extended version, unique --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Live versions of 'Love on a Real Train': 1--from 'Antarktis' Berlin 1987 (running time = 2'41') <--live, unique 2--from 'In den Garten...' i.e. 1990 UK tour (running time = 2'49)<---multiple live performances, each slightly different from all other versions 3--from the 1992 US tour (running time = x)<---multiple live performances, each slightly different from all other versions -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Non-TD cover versions of 'Love on a Real Train' 1--from Global Communication's '76:14' (running time = x) 2--from 'Dream Music 2' (running time = 4'28') --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other TD appearances of 'Love on a Real Train' material in a different guise 1--Three O'Clock High: Go to the Head of the Class (RT = 3'03') 2--Three O'Clock High: Bonding by Candlelight (RT = 1'30') 3--Miracle Mile: Running out of Time (RT = 3'30) (nominally, IMHO) 4--Poland: extract from 'Poland' (RT = x) (Hermes?) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 17, 1997 6:19 am Subject: Re: Quicktime & Macs (was 'Catwalk' CD-I) Really-From: Robert Grabowsky tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Neal McAuley > > This is slightly off topic but I have to address something that's been > bothering me since I keep seeing this quote over and over again and it > galls me... > > >I'm not sure if it will run on a Mac, however it runs using > >Quicktime. > > I'm a huge Mac fanatic/supporter/booster/whatever word you want to use > here and I need to ask the original framer of this quote one question: > Who do you think invented Quicktime... and the answer isn't Bill Gates > > Thanks for letting me vent > > ::flames off, Mac bias being put away:::: > > Neal :-) Neal, It was not meant as a put down on Macs and I know Apple invented Quicktime. I just thought there may be a way to run it on a Mac even though it was designed for Windows. Please calm down, Robert From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 17, 1997 8:46 am Subject: Castle/Essential Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi All, Are the catalogue numbers of Castle/Essential releases from the UK prefixed with 'EMS' or 'ESM'? In on-line ordering systems I've seen it both ways and they've been consistently one way or the other. Thanks, Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 246 Re: Castle/Essential Levente.Toth Fri 1/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 17, 1997 9:00 am Subject: Re: Castle/Essential Really-From: 'Levente.Toth' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > Hi All, > > Are the catalogue numbers of Castle/Essential releases from the UK > prefixed with 'EMS' or 'ESM'? In on-line ordering systems I've seen it > both ways and they've been consistently one way or the other. > > Thanks, > > Mark ESM definitely Levente -- **************************************************************** * Levente Toth (levi@c...) - Centre for Intelligent * * Systems, University of Plymouth, Drake Circus, Plymouth * * Devon,England WEB: www.cis.plym.ac.uk/cis/levi/home.html * * Tel: 44-1752-233514, 233516 / Fax: 44-1752-232583 * **************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 17, 1997 1:58 pm Subject: Re: thanks for article Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-01-15 15:33:21 EST, you write: << I've never seen the original Ohr releases of Alpha Centauri, Zeit, and Atem. The Ohr-Electronic Meditation is exhibited in the museum for the history of the Federal Republic of Germany in Bonn. >> I don't have the originals of 'Alpha Centauri' or 'Atem', but I do have the original 'Zeit' on Ohr. Tangerine Dream 'Zeit' Published - ? Copyright - ? Purchased - 1973 Format - LP (double) Label - Ohr Catalog - OMM 2/56021 Personnel - Froese, Franke, Baumann (and a host of others) I've always thought it peculiar that the grooves (or should I say groove, since there is only one) is/are jammed onto the outer edge of the disks, with lots of space unused near the center of the LPs. I believe this was done because there is more distortion at the center of the LP where the groove radius becomes so narrow that the inner groove wall starts going by the stylus faster than the outer groove wall, thus causing audible mistracking. It seems to me that only the most conscientious of recording manufacturers paid any attention to this phenomenon. Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 17, 1997 2:35 pm Subject: 'Jungle Mystery Song' heard here Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi, Anyone who has not heard what I guess is the original of 'Tyger' aka: 'Jungle Mystery Song', there is a small wave of it at http://www.castleus.com/courtyard/astral/albums/s1048.html Enjoy. (They're right, it is different) Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 17, 1997 2:31 pm Subject: Re: Ages--->CDR/Mill Valley Film Festival Benefit date Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> burn the discs, but he wants ~$50 for a two disc set, so who knows. >Have you spoken to him yet? What about 'bulk' prices, since he would only >have >to do the noise reduction once if he saves the 'master'? I saw an ad in the latest Billboard for a company that would make 1000 CD's for about $1600. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 251 Invisible Limits - sampled sean Fri 1/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 17, 1997 3:32 pm Subject: Re: Ages--->CDR/Mill Valley Film Festival Benefit date Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jan 17, 9:31am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Ages--->CDR/Mill Valley Film Festival Benefit date > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > I saw an ad in the latest Billboard for a company that would make 1000 > CD's for about $1600. > > Scott > That many disks would qualify the work as a 'bootleg' and, since in this case it would be the copying of copyrighted material, it is a bit worse than bootlegging, it is piracy. In the case of doing just a few, it is just a way of getting something that is not really out there, in a small enough operation that will not be viewed as piracy for it is a limited release (and done at a cost). Morality wise, it is still a copyright infringment, and avoiding all that would be simple by having the company legitimely release the CD's, as we all know. A few CD-R's, I can live with. 1000, however, would hurt my principles, however elastic they may presently appear, especially that, at $1.60 a copy, it could be seen as a way of making money (i.e. piracy). C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 17, 1997 3:33 pm Subject: Invisible Limits - sampled Really-From: sean For those keeping track of TD samples, check out DJ Shadow's album 'Endtroducing'. The track 'Changelling' makes great use of 'Invisible Limits'. TD even got a credit on the album liner notes. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #807 Really-From: DFO@C... > Re: Update #1: Settling RISKY BUSINESS > Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> > Non-TD cover versions of 'Love on a Real Train' > 1--from Global Communication's '76:14' (running time = x) This is actually two consecutive tracks, named '8 07' and '5 23'. Those are, not coincidentally, also their running times. duane ott dfo@c... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Update #2: RISKY BUSINESS discography Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hello folks, Second update to the 'unofficial Risky Business Discography'. Keep that data coming..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stuff from 'Risky Business Audio Movie Kit' 1-- No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) (RT = 1:21)<--same or different as CD/2nd pressing and 1st pressing versions? 2--Lana (RT = 1'46') <--is the content unique to the kit or just an edit? 3--Guido the Killer Pimp (RT = 3'04') <---is this unique to kit or just an edit? 4--(Porsche Plunge I) (RT = 0'30')<---unique to kit 5--(Porsche Plunge II) (RT = 0'24') <---unique to kit 6--(?) (RT = 0'11') <---unique to kit 7--Sobornost extract (RT = 0'57') <---unique to kit 8--Love on a Real Train (RT = 3'08') <--different from CD/2nd LP pressing version 9--Also, a cheesy promo for the film and interview with Chris Franke (RT = x) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuff from 'Risky Business' CD and 2nd LP release 1--Dream is Always the Same (RT = 3'45') 2--No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) (RT = 2'00') 3--Guido the Killer Pimp (RT = 4'21') 4--Lana (RT = 3'54') 5--Love on a Real Train (RT = 3'59') -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuff from first USA pressing of 'Risky Business' LP (Steven/Hermes, can you tell us which are different from CD/2nd LP pressing and other extant versions? And can you confirm the running times--these are from VITD) 1--Dream is Always the Same (RT = 2'20') 2--No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) (RT = 2'55') 3--Guido the Killer Pimp (RT = 4'17') 4--Lana (RT = 3'52') 5--Love on a Real Train (RT = 2'15') -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuff from 'Dream Sequence' (Are these different from the first pressing of the LP?) 1--Dream is Always the Same (running time = 3'42') 2--Love on a Real Train (running time = 3'58') -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuff from 'Tangents' 1--Dream is Always the Same (RT = 3'28') 2--Love on a Real Train (called 'Risky Business' in this set) (RT = 5'10') <--extended version, unique --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Live versions of 'Love on a Real Train' 1--from 'Antarktis' Berlin 1987 (running time = 2'41') <--live, unique 2--from 'In den Garten...' i.e. 1990 UK tour (running time = 2'49)<---multiple live performances 3--from the 1992 US tour (running time = x)<---multiple live performances -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Non-TD cover versions of 'Love on a Real Train' 1--from Global Communication's '76:14' (running time = 13'30') 2--from 'Dream Music 2,' by Mark Ayers (running time = 4'28') --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other TD appearances of 'Love on a Real Train' material in a different guise 1--Three O'Clock High: Go to the Head of the Class (RT = 3'03') <--unique 2--Three O'Clock High: Bonding by Candlelight (RT = 1'30') <--unique 3--Miracle Mile: Running out of Time (RT = 3'30) (nominally, IMHO) <--unique 4--Poland: extract from 'Poland' (RT = x) (Hermes?) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 17, 1997 6:15 pm Subject: Atem on OHR for sale (record) Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) I have a Atem on the Ohr label for sale in very good condition. If interested make offer at my Email address. Thank You, Martyn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 17, 1997 6:07 pm Subject: 3 TIER DREAM Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' HI EVERYBODY!!! Today is for me a fantastic day! I have just received a copy og this fantastic triple CD bootleg. N.P. fdisk 2: Digital Times, a live TD performance in 1992 (it's not mentioned where this happend). This is an audience recording of amazing quality and TD performance is of 4 or5 AS. Disk 1, from 1976 is not bad ( the current TD improvisation of that period) and is, maybe, the weeker of the three. Disk 3 is called Paris Dreams, and date 1986. It's a very good recording and performance as well. Ths bootleg is a bit expensive, but it's worth every penny. I am sure I will enjoy it a lot more than Goblins (fools) Club ( sorry Edgar, but I think it's time to begin un-dusting those famous tapes of your past performances and risk a 10-20 CD release, as did your college Klaus, I am sure I wold be a great success). Regards Francisco from the paradise. NP, as I told, the Dream live in 1982 ( Tier Dream Nr. 2) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 257 Re: 3 TIER DREAM Vincent Goudreault Fri 1/17/1997 2 KB 258 Re: 3 TIER DREAM Claude Roy Sat 1/18/1997 2 KB 259 Re: 3 TIER DREAM Francisco Salgado C. Sat 1/18/1997 2 KB 260 Re: 3 TIER DREAM feldon@n... Sat 1/18/1997 2 KB 262 Re: 3 TIER DREAM TheSmitter@a... Sat 1/18/1997 3 KB 273 Re: 3 TIER DREAM Francisco Salgado C. Sat 1/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 17, 1997 9:33 pm Subject: Re: FAQ- TD: Live or Memorex... Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Mi amigo invisible Hermes decía: > And now for a contest! There are _technically_ two more concerts that > canbe listed above, and indeed may be in a future update. Only the > current lack of the complete material kept me from including them > (after all, I shouldn't write about things I don't posess!); this will > be corrected, however. Guess which two they are... Well that's interesting.... Obvously one of them is Quinoa ( 1992) Then the second one has to be Sorcerer (1977) being the song ( and this is my guess ) Grind, theme nr. 7 of Sorcerer and stragely played in the last theme of Quinoa ( or at least this is a cousin song of the firt theme). Regards Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 17, 1997 10:16 pm Subject: Re: 3 TIER DREAM Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Francisco, you forgot the most important aspect of any new finds: 'Where did you get it?' so that other people can also feel so lucky... C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 17, 1997 11:27 pm Subject: Re: 3 TIER DREAM Really-From: Claude Roy At 17:16 97-01-17 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > >Francisco, > >you forgot the most important aspect of any new finds: > > 'Where did you get it?' > >so that other people can also feel so lucky... > Vincent, I think you can get it at Midas in UK. I saw this in their catalog that i've receive last fall. It's not cheap!!!! ____________________________________ Claude Roy e-mail: Longueuil 'Beach' P.Q. Canada ____________________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 17, 1997 11:26 pm Subject: Re: 3 TIER DREAM Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > Francisco, > > you forgot the most important aspect of any new finds: > > 'Where did you get it?' Well I saw it at progtron. But I didn't buy it there. I got it from one of this list, but I think that it sould be taht person who has to manifast itself. I am sure that he can send private e-mails to the persons interested. Progtron is at: http://www.webpage.com/~progtron/ And it has a lot of bootlegs. Just search for Tangerine Dream. regards From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 1:14 am Subject: Re: 3 TIER DREAM Really-From: feldon@n... >I am sure I will enjoy it a lot more than Goblins (fools) >Club ( sorry Edgar, but I think it's time to begin un-dusting those >famous tapes of your past performances and risk a 10-20 CD release, as >did your college Klaus, I am sure I wold be a great success). First, I have every intention of getting Tier Dream 2 and 3 ASAP however I have one comment. I too have been somewhat unhappy with recent TD productions. Turn of the Tides was still quite good. Goblins Club is really confusing because it has 8 songs and if you dragged someone off the street and played it, they would think it were a sampler of 8 different artists. However, I can say that there must be hope for old-TD lovers (70's-80's), a good sign is track 8 from time index 1:45-3:15. There is some familiar sounding stuff there... Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: thoughts on_Goblin's Club_ (long-ish) Really-From: gyedid@P... Well, I have *finally* worked up some time to say some things about these 2 albums; nothing very profound, mind you, and probably nothing that others haven't already said. I do think _GC_ is better than _ToB_--but not by much. If the Armin scale were non-integer, then _ToB_ would get about a 2.9 and _GC_ a 3.3, maybe 3.4. I still think the best things that have come out of TD's studio in the '90s are 'Quinoa', _TOTT_, and _Dream Mixes_. 'Towards The Evenning Star', after a month and half, still reminds me more of an Enigma piece than anything else--and it's not just those vocal samples. It's something about those drum loops--groove-oriented, yet very crisp, and almost martial-sounding at times. Is that real Minimoog on those bass notes? Anyway, this is one of the better pieces on the CD--not overlong, doesn't say more than it needs too, but a little predictable in its structure and development. Nice to see the keyboards doing a little more melody work for a change. 'At Darwin's Motel', after its Six Pianos-like intro, changes into what sounds (to me) like a not-too-bad development of Edgar's 'Metropolis'. The Indian(???) vocals sound like they are being sung by a munchkin, though, and are largely VERY out of place. At times, they sound like they *almost* fit in, but the overall effect is that that kind of stuff just doesn't come naturally to them. The ending is effective and mysterious-sounding, but again, a rather odd, seemingly misplaced conclusion with regard to the rest of the piece. Not the first time TD has done it either, I don't know why they do things like that. Without the vocals, the piece would have been a 4AS. Only a 3AS as it is. Having got _World Without Rules_ with _GC_, I think I know know what separates the boys from the men in the global-sounding game. 'On Crane's Passage': 'Jungle Journey' reborn a la Jerome, with a more forward-moving, almost 'tribal' rhythm instead of 'JJ''s trip-hoppish drums. The guitar on this piece sets the tone for the rest of the album--no more show-offy Satriani-like solos, it doesn't try to dominate the piece or 'save' the song--despite its similarity to JJ, this piece stands pretty well on its own, IMO. The intro sequence is almost FSOLish-sounding. If there's one piece that makes me understand why some people say the album lacks 'tension', it's 'Rising Haul...'. Yes, I can sort of agree that it's got a much more laid-back, almost 'bachelor-pad' kind of feel to it, but the central section is interesting, especially where it seems to almost jump out of time. However, my feelings towards the piece as a whole change pretty much with the phases of the moon! One day I can listen to it and be unmoved, the next I'll be thinking, 'that really wasn't so bad, in fact it's pretty good'. What bugs me the most (regularly) is that 'wimpy' countertheme, the one that sounds like 'Lifted Veil'. For me, 'United Goblins' Parade' is like 'Sun Gate' all over again. Edgar does all he can to save this piece...with a guitar solo. I don't get the reason for the 'angelic' instrumental backing, and this has got to be some of the worst drum work I've ever heard in a TD piece--and it's by Edgar! Why is it people say that it's *Jerome* who's got no talent as a drummer??? All this with a guitar solo that harkens back to the days of _Thief_--it reminds me a lot of 'Beach Theme/Scene' and 'Homeless', and is a darn nice piece of work. I find it rather tough to say things about 'Lamb With Radar Eyes', even though I think it is the best piece on the CD. Great sounds, none-too-predictable structure, distinctive Jerome-sounding chordal progression and drums, and quite complex sound layering. But the guitar bit seems a little snuck in there, like the brief solo from '220 Volt'. The last 1.5 minutes remind me a little of the denouement (and general feeling, actually) of 'Little Blonde...'. OK folks, I tried *really* hard to like 'Elf June...'. Really I did. But aside from the nice oboe solo sequence, the piece makes me think of a wordless Charles Aznavour song! YECH! If this is what Linda's being in the band means, I'm not going to be too optimistic for the future...this may be heresy, but I am increasingly of the opinion that the band's salvation lies more and more with Jerome. The first 2.5 minutes of 'Sad Merlin's Sunday' are fantastic. Atmospheric acoustic guitar and synth, similar to the end of 'Santa Elena Marisal', and the additions to the Tangents version of 'Stratosfear'. But wait, what's this? A 70s style Moog sequence, with bell-like tones like on 'Tierra del Fuego'? Hey, no fair Edgar! That's teasin' us!!! Once the sequence drops out, the piece turns into an overlong distillation of ideas from various _BtS_ that doesn't seem to explore far enough in any direction--and why should it almost, for ground already (and more successfully) trodden, that didn't do more than it needed to? This piece ends up lacking the warmth and charm of its influences, and ends up being quite unsatisfying as a whole. I'm on my brother's computer, it is late, and I'm being asked to leave...but I think I've spoken my peace concerning this album. A 3AS, but just!!! Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 271 Re: thoughts on_Goblin's Club_ (long-ish) feldon@n... Sat 1/18/1997 3 KB 293 Re: thoughts on_Goblin's Club_ (long-ish) sean Sun 1/19/1997 5 KB 298 oh what do we make of current TD? (was Re: though Gabe Yedid Sun 1/19/1997 9 KB 297 Re: thoughts on_Goblin's Club_ (long-ish) feldon@n... Sun 1/19/1997 2 KB 300 Re: thoughts on_Goblin's Club_ (long-ish) Gabe Yedid Sun 1/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 6:13 am Subject: Re: 3 TIER DREAM Really-From: TheSmitter@a... Hi Francisco, I also highly recommend 3 Tier Dream On! - a 1986 (or so it says) recording - single disc. In fact, I like this every bit as much as any of the 3 Tier Dream discs. I bought both at Progtron. Buy it, you'll love it!! Larry Smith << HI EVERYBODY!!! Today is for me a fantastic day! I have just received a copy og this fantastic triple CD bootleg. N.P. fdisk 2: Digital Times, a live TD performance in 1992 (it's not mentioned where this happend). This is an audience recording of amazing quality and TD performance is of 4 or5 AS. Disk 1, from 1976 is not bad ( the current TD improvisation of that period) and is, maybe, the weeker of the three. Disk 3 is called Paris Dreams, and date 1986. It's a very good recording and performance as well. Ths bootleg is a bit expensive, but it's worth every penny. I am sure I will enjoy it a lot more than Goblins (fools) Club ( sorry Edgar, but I think it's time to begin un-dusting those famous tapes of your past performances and risk a 10-20 CD release, as did your college Klaus, I am sure I wold be a great success). Regards Francisco from the paradise. NP, as I told, the Dream live in 1982 ( Tier Dream Nr. 2) >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 6:49 am Subject: D:Stratosfear Really-From: Vic Rek Stratosfear: Getting to the point.. A classic! 4AS (almost 5) If you can't relate to it - sorry... You don't have to play it loud or many times to appreciate it... A Pioneer album in its time! Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 8:58 am Subject: D: Stratosfear Really-From: Mark Filipak 'Och, oh. He's playing his horror movie music again!' That's what my girfriend in 78 would say every time I put 'Stratosfear' on -- I dumped her of course :-) My first TD purchase. Why? -- the name of course, and the cover. I had no clue what to expect. I'll leave the descriptions to the others on the list as my tail is still smoldering from my last posted opinions, but I liked the album from the very beginning and still like it -- 4AS. CDEurope lists 'Genre: symphonic' -- I think that pretty much sums it up. Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 398 D: Stratosfear Craig R. J. Cordrey Fri 1/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 11:04 am Subject: 2 letter acronyms for countries Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi. A question for the friends in Europe for use in the TD discography. What should I use for abbreviations for the various countries. Here's what I'm currently using but, for example, Klaus B. suggests 'CH' for Switzerland (?!) For Countries or Regions: AU - Australia JA - Japan BR - Brasil NA - North America CA - Canada NL - Nederland (Netherlands) DE - Deutschland (Germany) NZ - New Zealand ED - Este Deutschland OS - Ostereich (Austria) (East Germany) PO - Poland EU - Europe TA - Taiwan FR - France SZ - Switzerland IL - Isreal UK - United Kingdom IT - Italia (Italy) US - United States I would like to stick with 2 letter acronyms. I thought of using the Internet top level domains, but they don't seem to make too much sense. Any suggestions? Sorry for the slightly off-topic subject. Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 266 Re: 2 letter acronyms for countries Mark Filipak Sat 1/18/1997 2 KB 267 Re: 2 letter acronyms for countries Magnus Danielson Sat 1/18/1997 3 KB 270 Re: 2 letter acronyms for countries Mark Filipak Sat 1/18/1997 3 KB 272 Re: 2 letter acronyms for countries Vic Rek Sat 1/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 11:14 am Subject: Re: 2 letter acronyms for countries Really-From: Mark Filipak I'm ashamed to admit that I wrote: > > ED - Este Deutschland > (East Germany) Well, before I get hammered, this was a fabrication because I don't speak German, I don't live in Europe... what can I say? -- my best guess. Would OD - Ostdeutschland (East Germany) be better? I know it was DDR (in English: GDR) -- don't ask me what DDR is in German: the English equivalent of 'German Democratic Republic' I suppose, but that's as far as I dare go. :-) Thanks, Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 12:33 pm Subject: Re: 2 letter acronyms for countries Really-From: Magnus Danielson > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Hi. A question for the friends in Europe for use in the TD > discography. What should I use for abbreviations for the various > countries. Here's what I'm currently using but, for example, Klaus B. > suggests 'CH' for Switzerland (?!) > > For Countries or Regions: > > AU - Australia JA - Japan > BR - Brasil NA - North America > CA - Canada NL - Nederland (Netherlands) > DE - Deutschland (Germany) NZ - New Zealand > ED - Este Deutschland OS - Ostereich (Austria) > (East Germany) PO - Poland > EU - Europe TA - Taiwan > FR - France SZ - Switzerland > IL - Isreal UK - United Kingdom > IT - Italia (Italy) US - United States > > I would like to stick with 2 letter acronyms. I thought of using the > Internet top level domains, but they don't seem to make too much sense. > Any suggestions? There is an international standard which gives both 2-letter and 3-letter acronyms. It's called ISO-3166. The Internet TLD (Top Level Domains) is based on this standard but where it fails have creative wisdom been used. Changes in the world have however made some of these entries more ambiguos then before... Also, you should not distinct East Germany from West Germany any more... it's just Germany (DE). One page on the subject is: http://www.iana.org/in-notes/iana/assignments/country-codes This is the IANA page so it should hold for TLDs. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 8:10 pm Subject: off topic: country abbreviations Really-From: Armin Theissen >Hi. A question for the friends in Europe for use in the TD >discography. What should I use for abbreviations for the various >countries. Here's what I'm currently using but, for example, Klaus B. >suggests 'CH' for Switzerland (?!) > 'CH' is used for Switzerland. It means 'Civitates Helvetia' (I guess, my last latin lesson was 12 years ago. If I wrote it wrong, all Swiss people might want to kill me...), is latin and means 'citizens of Helvetia', where Helvetia was the name for the region and 'tribes' of todays Switzerland as known during the time of the Roman Empire. > >I'm ashamed to admit that I wrote: >> >> ED - Este Deutschland >> (East Germany) > >Well, before I get hammered, this was a fabrication because I don't >speak German, I don't live in Europe... what can I say? -- my best >guess. > >Would OD - Ostdeutschland > (East Germany) > >be better? I know it was DDR (in English: GDR) -- don't ask me what DDR >is in German: the English equivalent of 'German Democratic Republic' I >suppose, but that's as far as I dare go. :-) > Yes, 'German Democratic Republic' = 'Deutsche Demokratische Republik'. There may be people who love you that you still distinguished East from West Germany - on both sides of the former iron curtain (no further comments). Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 269 Re: off topic: country abbreviations Mark Filipak Sat 1/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 1:40 pm Subject: Re: off topic: country abbreviations Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Armin Theissen -snip- > Yes, 'German Democratic Republic' = 'Deutsche Demokratische Republik'. > There may be people who love you that you still distinguished > East from West Germany - on both sides of the former iron curtain > (no further comments). > > Armin Strictly historic my friend. The only place where it will be used is Quichotte of course. Question is, if Ostberlin is proper for East Berlin, then is Ostdeutschland proper for East Germany? Thanks, Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 2:07 pm Subject: Re: 2 letter acronyms for countries Really-From: Mark Filipak Mark Filipak wrote: > > Thank you for your response. I have specific comments below. What do > you think these abbreviations should be. I'm really confused you know. > For example, Klaus B. thinks I should use international license > designations. But being in California USA, I don't get much of a chance > to see these, but I do remember seeing cars with 'OS' on a round placard > on the rear. I asked and was told it was for Austria. But when I asked > Klaus, he said Austria was AT (from top level domain, I think). > Thank you everyone who have been so helpful Magnus Danielson supplied me with this URL, and everything is there: http://www.iana.org/in-notes/iana/assignments/country-codes So, I'm a happy dog. Thanks. Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 2:21 pm Subject: Re: thoughts on_Goblin's Club_ (long-ish) Really-From: feldon@n... At 12:47 AM 1/18/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: gyedid@P... > > >Well, I have *finally* worked up some time to say some things about these 2 >albums; nothing very profound, mind you, and probably nothing that others >haven't already said. > >I do think _GC_ is better than _ToB_--but not by much. If the Armin scale were >non-integer, then _ToB_ would get about a 2.9 and _GC_ a 3.3, maybe 3.4. I >still think the best things that have come out of TD's studio in the '90s are >'Quinoa', _TOTT_, and _Dream Mixes_. >The first 2.5 minutes of 'Sad Merlin's Sunday' are fantastic. Atmospheric >acoustic guitar and synth, similar to the end of 'Santa Elena Marisal', and the >additions to the Tangents version of 'Stratosfear'. But wait, what's this? A >70s style Moog sequence, with bell-like tones like on 'Tierra del Fuego'? Hey, >no fair Edgar! That's teasin' us!!! Once the sequence drops out, the piece >turns into an overlong distillation of ideas from various _BtS_ that doesn't >seem to explore far enough in any direction--and why should it almost, for >ground already (and more successfully) trodden, that didn't do more than it >needed to? This piece ends up lacking the warmth and charm of its influences, >and ends up being quite unsatisfying as a whole. This is kind of what I was saying in my last message. The first couple minutes are so incredible, acoustic guitar intro and then a lead in to a very 1976-ish TD sound. Then it dies after 2:45 and there's 9 minutes of rambling--let's try to come up with a rhythm before the CD's over--feel. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 4:20 pm Subject: Re: 2 letter acronyms for countries Really-From: Vic Rek > PO - Poland Not right! The European abbreviation for Poland is 'PL'. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 5:16 pm Subject: Re: 3 TIER DREAM Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TheSmitter@a... Hi, Larry > I also highly recommend 3 Tier Dream On! - a 1986 (or so it says) > recording - single disc. In fact, I like this every bit as much as any > of the 3 Tier Dream discs. I bought both at Progtron. Buy it, you'll > love it!! That is interesting, since I thougth 3 Tier Dream on was a reduced one-CD version of the other 2 tier dream. Well, it's another one that has to be got. N.P. ME-RAD the encore, from colected endings....Fantastic !!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 4:55 pm Subject: UPDATE!! Enigma Mailing List , 'Good, Mr. Gary' , Jarre Mailing List 1 , Jarre Mailing List 2 , 'Kunkle, Jonathan' , 'Liparulo, Matt' , 'Martz, Barry' , Orb Mailing List , 'Onofray, Michael (CMU)' , 'Sandor, Ivan' , Stuart Allsopp , Tangerine Dream BBS , Vangelis Mailing List , 'Vidali, Antas' <106265.3303@c...>, 'Weir, Don (Altered)' Really-From: 'Brian M. Frick' I have updated my page once again, and have included a list of great CDs which I have for sale/trade. ALSO, THE NORTH AMERICAN JMJ FANCLUB IS NOW OFFICIALLY ONLINE!!! Please check it out!! Here's what's for sale: 1. Enigma 'Out From the Deep' CD Maxi-single (unopened) $20 2. Deep Forest 'Deep Forest' (550 Music/Epic BK 57840, 11 Tracks) $10 3. Phantom of the Opera '94 Remixes $2 4. Jean Michel Jarre 'Jarremix' (FDM 36155-2, 10 tracks, import) $25 5. Nik Tyndall 'Lagoon' (Hearts of Space HS11018-2) $8 6. Tangerine Dream 'Zeit' (Jive-Electro C TANG 3) $10 7. Tangerine Dream 'Atem' (Jive-Electro C TANG 2) $10 8. Tangerine Dream 'Alpha Centauri' (Jive-Electro C TANG 5) $10 Later! -- Brian Frick *** Check this out!! *** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * THE NORTH AMERICAN JEAN MICHEL JARRE FANCLUB IS NOW AVAILABLE AT: * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ Digital Bubblebath: Saturdays at 8:30pm 91.1 WLFM Appleton, WI, USA http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/dgbbth.html Email: brian.m.frick@l... frickb@l..., frick@b... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 19, 1997 12:58 am Subject: Re: Jive TANG Mystery Really-From: tdinfo@s... (William Forbes) In message <199701161819.MAA16290@c...> tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) writes: > Really-From: ajogon@m... > > > Hi Mark. > > I own the Jive release of 'Electronic Meditation', > and I confirm it's C TANG 4. The cover shows the same > 'Tron' look as in 'Green Desert', but in pink (perhaps > to emphasize Pink Floyd influence? :-) ) > > I own also Jive 'Atem' as well as 'Green Desert', but > the only year I can find in 'Atem' booklet is (P) 1973. > Again the same pattern on the cover, this time in orange. > > The 3 CD's were 'made in Austria by DADC'. > > > Antonio Nunes IIRC when TD signed to Jive in 86, Jive released a box set of LP's called 'In The Beginning'. The CD's were then all released separatley, all with the same 'tron' style cover but in different colours. Relativity released 'Green Desert' shortly after the box set was released, but before Jive released the CD's. It was available here in the UK for a few months before the Jive release. The Relativity release has the round picture of a desert on it. -- Bill Forbes Midas Muisc Birmingham 'At the Forefornt of Electronic Music in the UK' England URL: http://www.demon.co.uk/midas EMAIL: midas@s... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 6:35 pm Subject: soundtracks Really-From: 'gerryfox' I've just had a look at Chris Franke's web site and there is now a complete listing of all the TV and movie soundtracks that he has worked on , solo and with TD. It is at - http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/cfcredits.html Gerry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7817 soundtracks Armin Theissen Fri 10/17/1997 3 KB 32771 soundtracks Owens, James Fri 3/15/2002 3 KB 32772 Re: soundtracks Joe Shoults Fri 3/15/2002 2 KB 32774 Re: soundtracks albenson Sat 3/16/2002 5 KB 32775 Re: soundtracks albenson Sat 3/16/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 12:10 pm Subject: The London Concert Really-From: Tom Coppens Hey guys !!! what's all this 'The London Concert' bashing ! This has to be Franke's finest album ever, showing that he still was/is the sequencer king, just listen to the extended version of 'purple waves' which is one of my all-time favourite sequencer bits. This beats a load of other albums (even a lot of TD albums). An alltime classic. Just had to get that out of my system... :) Tom PS: By the way, almost everything in KLEMANIA was music from the Raven series, even the techno-like bit. I once taped almost every episode of that series and tried to put most of the music pieces on a tape. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 278 Raven bits in Klemania? (was Re: The London Conce Gabe Yedid Sat 1/18/1997 2 KB 29969 Raven bits in Klemania? (was Re: The London Conce rubyconist@y... Tue 11/6/2001 2 KB 29971 Raven bits in Klemania? (was Re: The London Conce goozer@a... Tue 11/6/2001 2 KB 29975 Raven bits in Klemania? (was Re: The London Conce rubyconist@y... Wed 11/7/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 8:06 pm Subject: Raven bits in Klemania? (was Re: The London Concert) Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Tom Coppens > > PS: By the way, almost everything in KLEMANIA was music from the Raven > series, even the techno-like bit. I once taped almost every episode of that > series and tried to put most of the music pieces on a tape. Really? The techno-like bit that makes up the first track on _Klemania_ also appeared in the finale of the first season of Babylon5, at the New Year's Eve party when Garibaldi was shot. Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29969 Raven bits in Klemania? (was Re: The London Conce rubyconist@y... Tue 11/6/2001 2 KB 29971 Raven bits in Klemania? (was Re: The London Conce goozer@a... Tue 11/6/2001 2 KB 29975 Raven bits in Klemania? (was Re: The London Conce rubyconist@y... Wed 11/7/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Help with Direct Net Access Via Telnet Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, I lost my student account and therefore am attempting to find out how to access a far-away account directly via telnet rather than telnetting from another existent account. It's reather messy. I cannot backspace and I must deal with all manner of weird commands I never saw before. Each time I press the enter key, I see a dot (.) at the left reather than any sort of cursor that I'd recognize. To get the computer to respond to my commands,s I must use a control-x combination (which I discovered purely by accident). Can anybody help me out? NOTE: LET THIS NOTE STAND AS A NOTICE THAT i AM NOT IGNIORINIG ANYBODY'S PERSONAL E-MAILS TO ME. IT'S JUST THAT IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO LOOK AT NEW MAIL WITHOUGHT HAVING TO USE THE NEXT COMMAND THIRTY OR SO TIMES TO GET FROM THE FIRST MESSAGE IN MY UNDREAD MAIL NOTEBOOK ALL THE WAY TO THE MOST CURRENT MESSAGE. :( From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: More re Help Via Direct Telnetting Really-From: Steven Feldman Drat! I couldn't get back to inputting text once I was using a command on tihis duffy system. :) :( :( Oanyways, here is my net address and pohone mumber Steven Feldman (617) 232-3876 The system I am trying to telnet to is operating on a VM/ESA system. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 9:46 pm Subject: FAQ Contest Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! There is only 1 hour to go in the contest, and I've only had _4_ entries!? I can't believe the lack of response, especially from our European friends! I know the question is difficult, but it's certainly not impossible! No one has got it _completely_ correct yet (though one of you is 95% there...), so, c'mon people, at least give it a shot! There is a _real_ prize to win here, something I can guarantee that less than 10 people have. goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 331 FAQ Contest Hermes Guzman Wed 1/22/1997 2 KB 345 Re: FAQ Contest Francisco Salgado C. Wed 1/22/1997 4 KB 351 Re: FAQ Contest Vic Rek Wed 1/22/1997 2 KB 354 Re: FAQ Contest Plumer, Scott Wed 1/22/1997 2 KB 355 Re: FAQ Contest Francisco Salgado C. Wed 1/22/1997 2 KB 358 Re: FAQ Contest Vic Rek Thu 1/23/1997 2 KB 360 Re: FAQ Contest feldon@n... Thu 1/23/1997 3 KB 374 Re: FAQ Contest Mark Filipak Thu 1/23/1997 2 KB 530 FAQ Contest Klaus Beschorner Wed 1/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 9:49 pm Subject: FAQ: Risky Business Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! Yes, it's time once again for another FAQ! Please use a monospaced font (such as Courier or Chicago) for display, so you may accurately view the chart. ===RISKY BUSINESS=== Much has been made over the relatively small amount of music for what was essentially a B-grade summer teen-flick. Add to this the fact that less than 10 minutes of totally original music appear both on screen and on disc. The rest of the material are merely extracts from _Force Majure_, _Tangram_ (not included on any release), the song 'Sobornost' and _Exit_, with new intros or instrument tracks. And yet, 'Love On A Real Train' has become somewhat of a signature song for TD, as well as a fan favorite. In fact, this song has a number of unique distinctions: there are _4_ different official versions (including the film version); it has been remade in new versions for at least 3 other films (see below); and it has been performed live on _4_ different tours! Below is a chart which lists all of the music material from _Risky Business_ that has been released to date. All track times are taken from the original sources; in the case of the analog sources, a stopwatch was used. The asterisks denote different versions of the same track; all versions were played in A-B comparative sequence as well as simultaneous sequence to determine any differences beyond simple fades. This should help to clear up some of the confusion caused by erroneous information (hopefully just simple typos!) in 'Voices In The Dunes': Track Times:RBAK US LP UK CD DS T Song Title: The Dream Is Always The Same ---- *2:29 3:45 3:42 3:28 No Future (Get Off The Babysitter) *1:21 1:56 2:00 ---- ---- Guido The Killer Pimp *3:04 4:20 4:21 ---- ---- Lana *1:46 3:53 3:54 ---- ---- Love On A Real Train (Risky Business) *3:08 *2:21 3:59 3:58 *5:10 Porche Plunge I :30 ---- ---- ---- ---- Porche Plunge II :24 ---- ---- ---- ---- Cathing The Egg :11 ---- ---- ---- ---- Sobornost :57 ---- ---- ---- ---- If it is not asterisked, then it is not a new version, although the running times may be slightly different. In the case of the song 'The Dream Is Always The Same', the _Tangents_ version simply fades the last 17 seconds off of the song, it has not been otherwise altered. The differences in the RBAK versions of 'No Future', 'Guido...' and 'Lana' with the official versions is that the new intros to these old tracks have basically been removed. There was also a 7' release of 'Love On A Real Train', but it is the same as the US LP version. ++And now for the 'Risky Mixes'! ; ) The following are alternate takes of 'Love On A Real Train' that the band has done for the indicated films: 'Go To The Head Of The Class'-3 O'Clock High [3:12] 'Bonding By Candlelight'-3 O'Clock High (Simply half of the above track) [1:35] 'Running Out Of Time'-Miracle Mile (a very nice take on the song) [3:31] 'Taking The Test'-Catch Me If You Can (A truly _remixed_ version!) [1:30] There are others, to be sure, but they have not appeared on any release to date. ++Live, baby, live! ; ) Once again, 'Love On A Real Train' has been part of four different concert programs, as follows; '83 Polish Tour, '87 Berlin 750th Anniversary Concert, '90 UK Tour, and '92 North American Tour. The track times are: 'Poland' ('Love On A Polish Train' remix) [8:40] from _Poland_ (Before anyone gets in a huff, the hi-hat and synth-flute rhytym tracks are identical, as well as the synth-horn melody; do your own cross fade to prove it! Fade in at 2:49 and fade out at 11:29) 'Love On A Real Train' ('Berlin Reichstag Station') [2:42] from _Antarktis_ 'Love On A Real Train' ('Bristol Station') [2:49] from _In Den Garten Pharoas_ 'Love On A Real Train' ('Seattle Station') [2:42] from _Three Phase_ And I'm sure more to come! ===END=== Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 308 Re: FAQ: Risky Business TWeibre361@a... Mon 1/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 10:32 pm Subject: 3 Tier Dream Really-From: jeffrey@i... Hi I would love to get a copy of 3 Tier Dream but the thought of spending $80 bucks on three CD's makes me ill and my wallet fall to the floor. So would anybody be interested in trading a tape copy of it for copy of other stuff. And since the boot doesn't fund EF's account, Im sure he wouldn't mind. Jeff From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 18, 1997 10:28 pm Subject: Re: Globlin's CLub Really-From: jeffrey@i... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 97 00:47:34 -0500 Subject: thoughts on_Goblin's Club_ (long-ish) Really-From: gyedid@P... >I do think _GC_ is better than _ToB_--but not by much. I would agree. They both do seem quite similar. The main reason I like about GC better than TOB is almost no sax and more focus on synths sounds. TOB seems to be really guitar focused. >'Towards The Evenning Star', after a month and half, still reminds me more of anEnigma piece than anything else--and it's not just those vocal samples. It's something about those drum loops--groove-oriented, yet very crisp, and almost martial-sounding at times. Is that real Minimoog on those bass notes? Anyway, this is one of the better pieces on the CD--not overlong, doesn't say more than it needs too, but a little predictable in its structure and development. Nice >to see the keyboards doing a little more melody work for a change. Definitely one of the better tracks on the CD. I think your right about the mini because the bass sound is great. The track is really catchy and develops quite nicely but the drum track reminds me of most of the drum tracks used on Depeche Mode Violator CD when Wilder was actually playing drum (so they say). It just seems to distract from the composition which I think is quite good. >'At Darwin's Motel', after its Six Pianos-like intro, changes into what sounds >(to me) like a not-too-bad development of Edgar's 'Metropolis'. The intro is great, I love repeating quick sequences but after the first minute the song just completely changes direction and doesn't ever seem to live up to the first minute. >The Indian(???) >vocals sound like they are being sung by a munchkin, though, and are largely >VERY out of place. At times, they sound like they *almost* fit in, but the >overall effect is that that kind of stuff just doesn't come naturally to them. Agree. Not sure why it is so hip to use 'world vocals' these days but this is clearly a track that it distracts from. >Having got _World Without Rules_ with _GC_, I think I know know what separates >the boys from the men in the global-sounding game. I think the reason why it works for Haslinger and not this track is Haslinger is 100% into the use of throwing sounds all over his track. Where on Darwinds Motel its just used hear and there. I think the world effect needs to be really strong and profound or it just sounds out of place or like an afterthought. >If there's one piece that makes me understand why some people say the album >lacks 'tension', it's 'Rising Haul...'. Yes, I can sort of agree that it's gota much more laid-back, almost 'bachelor-pad' kind of feel to it, but the central section is interesting, especially where it seems to almost jump out of time. However, my feelings towards the piece as a whole change pretty much with the phases of the moon! One day I can listen to it and be unmoved, the next I'll be thinking, 'that really wasn't so bad, in fact it's pretty good'. What bugs me the most (regularly) is that 'wimpy' countertheme, the one that sounds like >'Lifted Veil'. Probably my second favorite track on the CD. One of Jeromes best works. Some really great synth sounds and I love that chorus type section. Its a shame he didn't develop it a little further. >I find it rather tough to say things about 'Lamb With Radar Eyes', even though Ithink it is the best piece on the CD. Great sounds, none-too-predictable structure, distinctive Jerome-sounding chordal progression and drums, and quite complex sound layering. But the guitar bit seems a little snuck in there, like the brief solo from '220 Volt'. The last 1.5 minutes remind me a little of the >denouement (and general feeling, actually) of 'Little Blonde...'. I agree, best track. The first time I didn't think much of it but the second time was a different story. Reminds me alot of the 3 new tracks from Dream Mixes with a little less hectic drum track. Again really great sounds and I believe that the mini shows up again. Elf June- I like this track it seems to follow the Lamb really well. Its really flows well but again the concept should be further developed. Have to admit I like the Haslinger/Frose similar tracks better (i.e 29 Palms and Ghazel. >The first 2.5 minutes of 'Sad Merlin's Sunday' are fantastic. Atmosphericacoustic guitar and synth, similar to the end of 'Santa Elena Marisal', and the additions to the Tangents version of 'Stratosfear'. But wait, what's this? A 70s style Moog sequence, with bell-like tones like on 'Tierra del Fuego'? Hey, no fair Edgar! That's teasin' us!!! Once the sequence drops out, the piece turns into an overlong distillation of ideas from various _BtS_ that doesn't seem to explore far enough in any direction--and why should it almost, for ground already (and more successfully) trodden, that didn't do more than it needed to? This piece ends up lacking the warmth and charm of its influences, >and ends up being quite unsatisfying as a whole. Agree 100%. I thought this was going to be the saving grace of the album. But after the little sequences - its just seems 12 string guitar. 12 string guitar and more guitar. I can help it if I am synth kind of guy. And it just doesn't seem to lead anywhere. Oh well just my thoughts as well. If I had to put it on the AS it would fit perfectly in between a 3 and 4. The one thing that I do really like about the album is there are a lot of great little parts to it. Certain sections are really strong, some great sounds and ideas. But of course time will tell, because it took me about 6 months to really appreciate Dream mixes. Jeff From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Synergy/Larry Fast & Sequential Circuits synths. Really-From: klaatu@p... >> Prophet 5 > >An other legendary model from the US-based Sequential Circuits. 5-note >poliphony and great, powerful, sometimes very dark sound. > Just a reminder here, we know that Larry Fast is the band/artist called Synergy who also recorded/toured with Peter Gabriel. But what most people don't realize is that he founded Sequential Circuits & using his Electrical Engineering background designed the Prophet 5 synth that TD played. Sequential Circuits at one time had a large library of sound samples for sale, most of which were the then new digital samples of vintage analog sounds from Larry's personal collection. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 315 Re: Synergy/Larry Fast & Sequential Circuits synt klaatu@p... Tue 1/21/1997 4 KB 316 Re: Synergy/Larry Fast & Sequential Circuits synt Pixel Tue 1/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 19, 1997 4:21 pm Subject: Network 388 Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, I notice that there's been very little in the way of discussion of the Network 388 compilation tape that a number of people from the digest, myself included, contributed towards. I would have thought that such a tape would be of interest to the majority of the folks on the digest and some kind of review would be valuable both to those just starting out on a musical career and those, like myself, trying to claw their way up the greasy pole that is the music business. Would anyone kindly like to do some kind of appraisal or critique of the tracks on offer? I can't hide my own interests in this enterprise : a good review means improved sales - that's the theory at least - so let's see someone offer an opinion. There are a number of people on the tape whose efforts are worthy of attention. Granted they may not have the equipment or the budget to record their material to the same standard as the Tangs but many of them obviously have a talent and a genuine musical ability that shouldn't be ignored. David Tranquility Bass Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1363 Re: Network 388 jeffrey@i... Sun 3/2/1997 3 KB 1600 Network 388 David J. Hughes Sun 3/9/1997 3 KB 1681 Re: Network 388 jeffrey@i... Tue 3/11/1997 4 KB 1704 Re: Network 388 Erik Sanborn Tue 3/11/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 19, 1997 3:27 pm Subject: A Tangerine Dream DAT tree Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hi A person from the Tape trade comunity ofered me the posibility to do a tape tree for a Tangerine Dream concert. Since I don't have any good seed to begin with , I ask the persons who have a good tape ( such as this famous that ended on Ardem-O bootleg) or any other, including a DAT or minidisk form the Shepherd's bush performance, to contact me. It's possible to do an analog and a digital tree. If this is successfull we could organyze other trees to spread between TD fans those famous live performances. Regards From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 19, 1997 11:38 am Subject: DSP Really-From: LADY OF THE LIZARDS HI GANG, About the dead solid perfect titles; some years ago, I talked to Ford Thaxton and asked him about the titles. He mentioned that he and I think Matt Heargreaves came up with the titles earily one morning, near the end of the project. With most td cds, I usually dont read the titles, I just put it on and press play. Anyway, DSP is a good st, much different than their other '88 works. c ya rr thats 'early one morning' duh , its too early. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 19, 1997 3:29 pm Subject: Risky Business Really-From: jeffrey@i... >===RISKY BUSINESS=== >Much has been made over the relatively small amount of music for what was >essentially a B-grade summer teen-flick. I have to disagree with this statement. I'll admit that it is not story based on morals or values. But it is a classic story. A story which makes fun of probably the two biggest challanges that most teen age boys/men this about while in their senior of highschool - Getting into a good university - Sex (there I said it) The story is great, not that predictable, Cruz is perfect in the role, some of the lines (i.e. What the F???, and Getting chased by Guido the killer pimp...) are timeless. Oh and How can I forget the music is great!-its fits the movie perfectly. While I think music for THeif does more for that movie (i.e. predecessor to Miami Vice) than the music does for Risky Business. There is no denying that people who listen to movie music, remember that Risky Business had that great electronic sounding score. And the music defeinitely gave the movie a certain effect that made it much more than a B movie. And besides - for once some really good US esposure. Jeff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 290 Re: Risky Business lars tangmark Sun 1/19/1997 3 KB 19384 Risky Business Simon Slator Wed 11/24/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 20, 1997 2:59 am Subject: Re: Risky Business Really-From: lars tangmark Jeff wrote: > The story is great, not that predictable, Cruz is perfect in the role, some of the lines (i.e. What the F???, > and Getting chased by Guido the killer pimp...) are timeless. Oh and How can I forget the music is great!-its > fits the movie perfectly. While I think music for THeif does more for that movie (i.e. predecessor to Miami > Vice) than the music does for Risky Business. There is no denying that people who listen to movie music, > remember that Risky Business had that great electronic sounding score. And the music defeinitely gave the > movie a certain effect that made it much more than a B movie. The only scene where I can remember really noticing the TD score, was the scene where they make love on that tube train. I also remember that it was the only memorable scene in the entire movie. But I recall that TD enjoyed a certain revival about the time of the movie. A lot of people bought that 3-lp set (with the ugly artwork), which included two songs from 'risky business'. I would also like to introduce myself: My name is Lars Tangmark. I'm a swedish musician/student of 22. I'm into a lot of elctronic music, especially the early/mid-period TD. I'm looking forward to participate in the discussions on the list. See ya! Lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 19, 1997 6:20 pm Subject: Conrad Schnitzler CD Info Really-From: Vic Rek Conrad Schnitzler CD News: Lars Stroschen of Propeller Island contacted me and said that Serge Leroy closed his 'Artgallery' label which had some of the latest Conrad Schnitzler releases. This has prompted me to compile a list of all Conrad Schnizler CDs that I am aware of. Any input would be greatly appreciated to make this list complete. 1. Blue Glow Artgallery AG 003 CD 50 00003 2. Charred Machinery Artgallery AGCD11 50 000119 272 022 3. Electronegativity Artgallery AGCD 12 50 000126 272 023 4. Control Artgallery AG 013 CD 50 000133 5. Convex Artgallery AG 014 CD 50 000140 6. Constellations Badland Bad No. 005 7. Tolling Toggle Funfundvierzig 57 8. Tonart Eins Germany private pressomg 9. Ballet Statique Spalax 14223, prod. by P. Baumann 10. Clock Face Musical Tragedies EFA 11376 11. Tonart Zwei Germany private pressing 12. Con Brio Spalax 14274 13. Con Repetizione Artgallery 50 00004 AG 004 Samplers with Conrad: 1. Tangerine Ambience 2. Syntonic Waves Sampler Vol. 4 If anybody knows of any others, please let me know so I can compile a final detailed listing. Note: I am not including 'Kluster' or 'T. Dream' here. Thanks, Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 292 Re: Conrad Schnitzler CD Info slawlor Sun 1/19/1997 2 KB 305 Re: Conrad Schnitzler CD Info Vic Rek Mon 1/20/1997 2 KB 324 Re: Conrad Schnitzler CD Info rch@g... Tue 1/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 19, 1997 7:10 pm Subject: Re: Conrad Schnitzler CD Info Really-From: slawlor Hi there. I've heard of conrad schnitzler on this list. Wasn't he the dude who played chello on electronic meditation? What kind of sound does his solo material have? Thanks for the information. scott K. Lawlor http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 19, 1997 7:26 pm Subject: Re: thoughts on_Goblin's Club_ (long-ish) Really-From: sean > I do think _GC_ is better than _ToB_--but not by much. I think GC is a considerable improvement. I tend to judge this kind of thing by asking myself the question: 'would I like to just put this in the player and listen straight through?' In the case of ToB, the answer is a resounding no way. Catwalk is great, as are bits of Bride in Cold Tears, but much of the rest just meanders. Goblin's Club, while still coming off as somewhat disjointed in sections, parcels out its good stuff a bit more evenly. And, yeah, the absence of sax was a big relief for me. > I still think the best things that have come out of TD's studio in the > '90s are 'Quinoa', _TOTT_, and _Dream Mixes_. I'd certainly agree with Quinoa and Dream Mixes. And I'd say what made those albums successful was that they had coherance, a focus...a point. Turn of the Tides had some nice melodies, but seems overcooked and too new-agey to my ears. And the 'Supertramp' section in 'Galley Slave's Horizon' always makes me laugh. In regards to At Darwin's Motel, I agree that the shift from intro to main body is annoying, but I think the vocals are a great addition. As I stated in a much earlier posting, I'm a sucker for this kind of world music stuff, so I admit to being biased. Nonetheless, I prefer it to Enigma's new album....which is marred by too many of Cretu's mawkish lyrics. > Having got _World Without Rules_ with _GC_, I think I know know what separates > the boys from the men in the global-sounding game. True, although I think they're going for different effects. Haslinger is going more for the guts and the groin. He isn't afraid to make his music harsh if necessary. TD, on the other hand, continues its commitment to painting cerebral sonic soundscapes. Rough edges are polished down. There's a place for both, although I would agree that for some time now, that polishing has made for less interesting TD product. > I am increasingly of the opinion that the band's salvation lies more and > more with Jerome. And I agree with you. A while back, I made a (somewhat ill-considered) comment about Edgar needing someone in the band to disagree with him more. I now believe that he already does - Jerome! Consider the difference between 'Beyond the Storm' and 'Dream Mixes'. Edgar is obviously moving towards classical influences more and more (witness cover versions of Pictures at an Exhibition and Largo, along with ubiquitous harpsicord and string sounds), while Jerome is injecting contemporary techno and drum n' bass influences. I suspect much of the disjointed nature of some recent TD pieces is a result of this clash of ideologies. Their albums work best (Quinoa....Dream Mixes) when one or the other holds the stage consistently. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 298 oh what do we make of current TD? (was Re: though Gabe Yedid Sun 1/19/1997 9 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Klaus comes to New York ! Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) not Schulze, but me ;-) and probably for the last time before our lab moves to Arizona in summer. I don't know yet which hotel I'm going to stay in. Somewhere in the vicinity of Orangeburg, NY. I'll be there from Jan 22 to 28, so if any of you fellow fans would like to meet me for a chat and a beer, send me a fax at 914 - 398 8417. see ya, -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 19, 1997 9:37 pm Subject: Influences - - - was - - - Re: Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-01-16 08:53:16 EST, you write: << If you're interested in the music which influenced them, have a look at the sleeve notes on 'Turn of the Tides'. Though it does not tell you what influences Edgar and what Jerome. Armin >> I was interested to these influences at one point, and I tried to match some of these music styles on 'TotT' with TD members, a hopeless task of course. I did theorize, however, that these influences went beyond the scope of Edgar and Jerome and into those of other active, and maybe inactive, group members; like Linda for example. What about Zlatko? Are there any other thoughts; pro or con? Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 19, 1997 9:37 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream And Beliefs Really-From: PNaunton@a... 19-Jan-1997 I was just reading about The Hermetic Order Of The Golden Dawn, a secret occult organization existing between 1888 and 1903, and some connections between them and specific people like William Butler Yeats and, to a lesser degree perhaps, Salvador Dali. I began to wonder about Edgar and his beliefs and their possible influence to his development as an artist. Does anybody know anything? I may be reading into it more than is reasonably appropriate, but there seems to be a strong macrocosmic/microcosmic theme in the early TD recordings, as has been discussed here during the last year or so. Recordings like Zeit, Atem, Alpha Centauri, Rubicon etc. seem to focus on this theme. This theme was also a cornerstone of The Golden Dawn philosophy. Of course is could be complete coincidence, . . . . . . . . . . . .but as we all know there are no coincidences. Just curious. Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 19, 1997 10:43 pm Subject: Re: thoughts on_Goblin's Club_ (long-ish) Really-From: feldon@n... Question (I have a somewhat untrained ear): The Vienna Boys Choir on Elf June... is it one or two samples played in a sequence or is it a solid recording of the chorus played on top of the sequence? (and if the answer is samples, why?) Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 300 Re: thoughts on_Goblin's Club_ (long-ish) Gabe Yedid Sun 1/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 19, 1997 10:52 pm Subject: oh what do we make of current TD? (was Re: thoughts on_Goblin's Club_ (long-ish))--(even longer)! Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: sean > > > > > I do think _GC_ is better than _ToB_--but not by much. > > I think GC is a considerable improvement. I tend to judge this kind of > thing by asking myself the question: 'would I like to just put this in the > player and listen straight through?' In the case of ToB, the answer is a > resounding no way. Catwalk is great, as are bits of Bride in Cold Tears, > but much of the rest just meanders. Goblin's Club, while still coming off > as somewhat disjointed in sections, parcels out its good stuff a bit more > evenly. And, yeah, the absence of sax was a big relief for me. I keep thinking lately that they should have stopped the current style with _TOTT_. I don't know if it really was possible to develop it further, aside from the groove/techno-ish influences Jerome first brought in on parts of _ToB_ ('Little Blonde' and 'Bride In Cold Tears' being the best examples). I sometimes actually wish for a full-out techno phase out of them now! And since they do have 4 guitarists, I'd still love it if they'd cover Metallica's 'Orion'. Is there an e-mail address I can write to where one of the Froeses *might* take this under consideration? > > I still think the best things that have come out of TD's studio in the > > '90s are 'Quinoa', _TOTT_, and _Dream Mixes_. > > I'd certainly agree with Quinoa and Dream Mixes. And I'd say what made > those albums successful was that they had coherance, a focus...a point. > Turn of the Tides had some nice melodies, but seems overcooked and too > new-agey to my ears. And the 'Supertramp' section in 'Galley Slave's > Horizon' always makes me laugh. Well, to its credit, _GC_ continues with the more 'organic' feel that _Dream Mixes_ had in spades; I mean the seamless transition from one melodic/rhythmic idea to another that brought back more than a few memories of the '80s TD. er, which section of 'GSH' would that be? The opening bit with the tympani underneath, or the third section with guitar solo and drum loop? But _TOTT_ still has their best sax piece in 'Death of a Nightingale', and their only really successful foray into the more 'ethnic' side of things ('Firetongues'). > In regards to At Darwin's Motel, I agree that the shift from intro to > main body is annoying, but I think the vocals are a great addition. As I > stated in a much earlier posting, I'm a sucker for this kind of world > music stuff, so I admit to being biased. Nonetheless, I prefer it to > Enigma's new album....which is marred by too many of Cretu's mawkish > lyrics. and it's the same sample yet! ;) > > Having got _World Without Rules_ with _GC_, I think I know know what separates > > the boys from the men in the global-sounding game. > > True, although I think they're going for different effects. Haslinger is > going more for the guts and the groin. He isn't afraid to make his > music harsh if necessary. TD, on the other hand, continues its commitment > to painting cerebral sonic soundscapes. Rough edges are polished down. > There's a place for both, although I would agree that for some time now, > that polishing has made for less interesting TD product. Well, I'm not sure I agree totally here...the MOST world-sounding pieces on _WWR_ are two of its most ambient...I mean 'Dismissal of the Hemisphere' and 'Asian Blue'. It worked really well on 'DoTH', with its almost Lightwave-like opening and soft singing, but I must admit I find 'AB' rather annoying. I have to turn the volume way down for this one or it really sounds like a braying assault to my ears. But you can hear the flip side of what 'world' sounds can do for a piece of music VERY well on 'Monkey Brain Sushi'!!! speaking of singing and _GC_: there is supposed to be a vocalist on 'Rising Haul'. I don't hear any vocal effects on this cut that TD couldn't have done with their gear--where is it? > > I am increasingly of the opinion that the band's salvation lies more and > > more with Jerome. > > And I agree with you. A while back, I made a (somewhat ill-considered) > comment about Edgar needing someone in the band to disagree with him more. > I now believe that he already does - Jerome! Consider the difference > between 'Beyond the Storm' and 'Dream Mixes'. Edgar is obviously moving > towards classical influences more and more (witness cover versions of > Pictures at an Exhibition and Largo, along with ubiquitous harpsicord and > string sounds), while Jerome is injecting contemporary techno and drum n' > bass influences. I suspect much of the disjointed nature of some recent > TD pieces is a result of this clash of ideologies. Their albums work best > (Quinoa....Dream Mixes) when one or the other holds the stage > consistently. I'm not so sure about this...on _GC_ it seemed like the two of them were working very much alone, 'Lamb With Radar Eyes' seemed to me to be the only thing really approaching a collaborative effort. Jerome's musical language is much more strongly chromatic than Edgar's, which...well, not having perfect pitch, I can't name exact progressions, but often seems much more modally oriented, or even strongly pentatonic (it has been in the past--think of the melody of 'Detroit Snackbar Dreamer'). And Jerome is a much more consistent, competent percussionist than his father. Edgar's (attempts) at drumming are admittedly less stereotyped than Jerome's, but come off sounding anywhere from more 'conservative' (in an old-TD-style sense) to downright missing the mark (like on 'United Goblins Parade'). Pity too, because he actually had some pretty decent drum tracks going on _BtS_! And he used to do such great stuff without ANY drums at all! So where this disjointedness comes in, if I must follow my own argument... well...it seems to me that 'Sad Merlin's Sunday' and 'Haze of Fame' were 2 clear cases of trying to be all things to all styles. Contrast this with pieces like 'Tierra del Fuego'--although it would meet the definition of 'commercial' many here seem to hold, it was directed, well-developed, didn't deviate down other directions at all, and didn't say more than it needed to. It expressed a single mood, and did it perfectly. (Could it be Edgar has forgotten what made his old longer pieces so successful?) These newer attempts at long pieces seem to try to do too much with too little, and when they contain multiple ideas, they either aren't linked well or share a lack of relatedness. A piece I often think that does both successfully is 'It Would be Like Samoa'; the closest the new TD has come to pulling this off was, I guess, 'Birdwatcher's Dream'. Back to the point of about what the current TD is doing, it seems like they aren't really *meshing* at all. In fact, I don't know if their ideologies have ever been more oppositely polarized than they are now! As Edgar gets older, the rest of the band gets younger, but they diverge more and more in their approaches. (But maybe that's good...if they ever did try to *really* mix Edgar's more classical leanings with Jerome's more contemporary sound...they might come up with...Robert Miles.) and now that I've kind of lost track of my point... > > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 19, 1997 11:03 pm Subject: 'Iowa' and 'Livemiles pt. 2' Really-From: Gabe Yedid I was recently given a tape of the WDR broadcast of TD's '87 concert in Berlin by my friend Jocelyn. It sure sounds like it would've been a really interesting show to attend; I can't say I love it all the way through, but there are some truly shining moments nonetheless, especially in the first 45 minutes. The version of the second 'movement' of 'Livemiles pt. 2' (as for the 1st movement, I must say I prefer the concert version, much less saccharine) struck me as being particularly interesting in at least one respect. It's slower and less 'industrial' than the album version, and, once it speeds up a little, has a familiar-sounding bass sequence and drum beat. Where did I know that triple-stomp from...then it hit me! Both that running sequence and the 'stomp-stomp-stomp' occur throughout 'Iowa' from UK Dream Mixes disc 2. (Here I must admit to preferring the album version over the concert one). did anyone else notice this? Gabe NP: Messiaen--La Nativite du Seigneur (with Wolfgang Rubsam on organ) (I can play this game, too) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 19, 1997 11:13 pm Subject: Re: thoughts on_Goblin's Club_ (long-ish) Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: feldon@n... > > > Question (I have a somewhat untrained ear): > > The Vienna Boys Choir on Elf June... is it one or two samples played in a > sequence or is it a solid recording of the chorus played on top of the sequence? > > (and if the answer is samples, why?) > > Morgan This is another vocal question I had that i didn't address earlier...in addition to 'Rising Haul', it seems MOST of the vocal effects on _GC_ are nothing the band couldn't do with their gear! I like to think I can tell the difference between an acoustic instrument and a sample (having played in that environment for over 8 years now, never heard physical modelling yet), and on a similar note, I think most of the orchestral stuff on the first B5 soundtrack is samples and/or electronic re-creations as well (hate to have to agree with Ford Thaxton, but...). _Tenchi_ sounds like the real thing, though. Gabe still listening to Messiaen... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 19, 1997 11:16 pm Subject: Re: oh what do we make of current TD? (was Re: thoughts on_Goblin's Club_ (long-ish))--(even longer)! Really-From: sean > er, which section of 'GSH' would that be? The section after the drums go away, and Linda's sax comes in. Tell me this wouldn't sound out of place on 'Crime of the Century'. > (Could it be Edgar has forgotten what made his old longer pieces so > successful?) More likely, its a case of his deliberately not wanting to copy himself. Both for artistic and commerical reasons. I sure wouldn't want to make the same music every day for 30 years. Thus, I suppose he's just trying to find something else. Although doing something like Dream Mixes obviously opens the band to accusations of being copiers rather than innovators, that shouldn't matter. It's not so much the fact that it sounded contemporary and energetic that drew me to DM....it was the fact that it was just well executed. And yet, as was pointed out by someone else here, it still sounded like TD. Now, there's something which has been crossing my mind lately. After spending all of that time working on 'Tangents' and 'Dream Roots', polishing up old tracks and all, will the band rediscover things from their past that worked, and re-explore (as opposed to re-mix) them? Although, this might lead to an Oldfield-like 'Phaedra 2' or something like that...which would probably disappoint everyone... Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 303 Re: oh what do we make of current TD? (was Re: th Gabe Yedid Mon 1/20/1997 4 KB 304 Re: oh what do we make of current TD? (was Re: th Anthony G. Francis, Jr. Mon 1/20/1997 3 KB 310 Re: oh what do we make of current TD? (was Re: th Gabe Yedid Mon 1/20/1997 4 KB 323 Re: oh what do we make of current TD? (was Re: th rch@g... Tue 1/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 19, 1997 11:23 pm Subject: Re: 'Vermillion Sands'='Taking the Park, Part Two' Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! >Really-From: Steven Feldman >>Really-From: Mark Filipak >> >>But in 'Vermilion Sands' Chris shows his strengths to >>perfection and reminds us again why we love him. > > 'Vermillion Sands' is awfully similar (almost the same, >really) to 'Taking the Park, Part Two,' on the THE PARK IS MINE >soundtrack. See for yourself. And while you're at it, if you have access to any of the UK '86 Tour tapes, you can find the original version of this song, complete with Edgar's guitar solo (with Paul on rhytym)! Edgar wasn't too happy with Chris when 'Vermillion Sands' showed up as a solo track on the KLEM CD! goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 20, 1997 3:33 am Subject: Re: oh what do we make of current TD? (was Re: thoughts on_Goblin's Club_ (long-ish))--(even longer)! Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, sean wrote: > > > er, which section of 'GSH' would that be? > > The section after the drums go away, and Linda's sax comes in. Tell me > this wouldn't sound out of place on 'Crime of the Century'. I dunno, I am something less than a rabid Supertramp fan, but I always thought there was a lot of the ghost of Haslinger in that section. And if memory serves, Linda is NOT credited on that track...Edgar's K2000 sample again? > > (Could it be Edgar has forgotten what made his old longer pieces so > > successful?) > > More likely, its a case of his deliberately not wanting to copy himself. > Both for artistic and commerical reasons. I sure wouldn't want to make > the same music every day for 30 years. Thus, I suppose he's just trying > to find something else. Although doing something like Dream Mixes > Now, there's something which has been crossing my mind lately. After > spending all of that time working on 'Tangents' and 'Dream Roots', > polishing up old tracks and all, will the band rediscover things from > their past that worked, and re-explore (as opposed to re-mix) them? > Although, this might lead to an Oldfield-like 'Phaedra 2' or something > like that...which would probably disappoint everyone... if that's true, that marks Edgar--as well as the rest of TD, past and present--as, once again, pretty unique among a lot of EM artists! What with albums like Mark Shreeve's _Red Shift_, Schulze's return to analogue, and Jarre's upcoming album, _Oxygene 7-13_, I'd say EM composers--and the people who praise them for just this kind of thing--are some of the most musically conservative people on Earth! This in a medium that allegedly prides itself on innovation and being different. > obviously opens the band to accusations of being copiers rather than > innovators, that shouldn't matter. It's not so much the fact that it > sounded contemporary and energetic that drew me to DM....it was the fact > that it was just well executed. And yet, as was pointed out by someone > else here, it still sounded like TD. > Right. And not a TD that you would say was trying to copy The Orb or FSOL. _Dream Mixes_ has got to be one of their most distinctive albums around, IMO. It really is their own twist on the techno sound. Maybe not as 'avant-garde' as many consider FSOL to be, but it was unmistakably Dream. > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 304 Re: oh what do we make of current TD? (was Re: th Anthony G. Francis, Jr. Mon 1/20/1997 3 KB 310 Re: oh what do we make of current TD? (was Re: th Gabe Yedid Mon 1/20/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 20, 1997 3:41 am Subject: Re: oh what do we make of current TD? (was Re: thoughts on_Goblin's Club_ (long-ish))--(even longer)! Really-From: centaur@c... (Anthony G. Francis, Jr.) > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > if that's true, that marks Edgar--as well as the rest of TD, past and > present--as, once again, pretty unique among a lot of EM artists! What with > albums like Mark Shreeve's _Red Shift_, Schulze's return to analogue, and > Jarre's upcoming album, _Oxygene 7-13_, I'd say EM composers--and the people > who praise them for just this kind of thing--are some of the most musically > conservative people on Earth! This in a medium that allegedly prides itself on > innovation and being different. > > Gabe Touche. Yet I think at least part of this conservatism comes from a deep conviction that traditional EM is a style that is *far* from being mined out. Sure, I love the new direction of TD, but whenever I hear the old stuff --- especially the really good old stuff, like _Logos_, _Poland_ and _Force Majure_ --- the first thing that pops to mind is 'More --- of the similar, if not the same!' -Anthony -- Anthony G. Francis, Jr. | cen.taur \'sen-.to.(*)r\ n AI/Cognitive Science Group | [ME, fr. L Centaurus, fr. Gk Kentauros] College of Computing | 1: one of a race fabled to be half man Georgia Institute of Technology | and half horse and to dwell in the Atlanta, Georgia 30332-0280 | mountains of Thessaly. Phone: (404) 894-5612 | 2: nickname for this AI grad student Net: centaur@c... - http://www.cc.gatech.edu/ai/students/centaur/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 310 Re: oh what do we make of current TD? (was Re: th Gabe Yedid Mon 1/20/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 20, 1997 8:03 am Subject: Re: Conrad Schnitzler CD Info Really-From: Vic Rek >Hi there. I've heard of conrad schnitzler on this list. Wasn't he the >dude who played chello on electronic meditation? What kind of sound does >his solo material have? Thanks for the information. > Yes, he is the dude from Electronic Meditation (He and Klaus Schulze - not that other Klaus going to New York). I may post some very short reviews of his CDs and some LPs when I get around to it. The music is very experimental, sometimes hard to classify, and sometimes hard to believe it's music. But he has some very interesting works. I would recommend starting out with 'Ballet Statique' and if you can get into that, you'll, well you'll see, I mean hear... Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 20, 1997 10:31 am Subject: 'Music Courier Service' Really-From: Mark Filipak Hello All, I would like to put together a 'Music Courier Service' so list members can transport their precious collectables around the world without having to risk them to the tender mercies of the US Postal (dis-)Service, or OPS (I mean UPS), or Fed(-up) Express, or DUH! (aka: DHL Express), etc. Emphasis will be on reliability, not speed. Anyone interested in participating in any way, either as a 'courier' or as a 'client' please send me private email. If you know of someone who does a lot of traveling that you think might not mind carrying a CD or LP or two once in a while, please ask them and get back to me. If you would just like to be kept updated on this project, email me and I will include you in on any information I compile. I can't see why this wouldn't work, but if you have any comments or suggestions, I will welcome them. Thanks, Mark 'trying to get the most out of networking' Filipak From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 20, 1997 6:24 pm Subject: Jive Releases Really-From: 'Robin A.Seed' Hello Dreamers, The following discs are the early TD releases on the Jive Electro Lable, with the corrosponding Covers and No's. All have the same artwork with diffrent colours. TANGERINE DREAM ELECTRONIC MEDITATION AUSTRIA JIVE CTANG4 Red(ish) Cover TANGERINE DREAM ALPHA CENTAURI AUSTRIA JIVE CTANG5 Purple Cover TANGERINE DREAM ZEIT AUSTRIA JIVE CTANG3 Blue Cover TANGERINE DREAM ATEM AUSTRIA JIVE CTANG2 Orange Cover TANGERINE DREAM GREEN DESERT AUSTRIA JIVE CTANG1 Green Cover They seem to be published by Zomba C1986. Disks are made in Austria, I remember reading that they were no longer in print, and have been re-released by relativity and Castle. Rob Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 314 Re: Jive Releases Mark Filipak Tue 1/21/1997 3 KB 329 Re: Jive Releases feldon@n... Wed 1/22/1997 3 KB 348 Re: Jive Releases Gabe Yedid Wed 1/22/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 20, 1997 6:54 pm Subject: Re: FAQ: Risky Business Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-01-18 17:51:08 EST, you write: << Once again, 'Love On A Real Train' has been part of four different concert programs, as follows; '83 Polish Tour, '87 Berlin 750th Anniversary Concert, '90 UK Tour, and '92 North American Tour. The track times are: >> they also played it in washington dc in 1988...i was there and taped it....tom w From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 20, 1997 9:01 pm Subject: e-mailing the band themselves. Really-From: Gabe Yedid is there an address at which any of the band members can be contacted? I would still love to suggest to them that they cover 'Orion' on their next tour. I'd bet they don't get many requests for covering heavy metal pieces. Jerome might go for it...;) Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 20, 1997 8:55 pm Subject: Re: oh what do we make of current TD? (was Re: thoughts on_Goblin's Club_ (long-ish))--(even longer)! Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: centaur@c... (Anthony G. Francis, Jr.) > > > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > > if that's true, that marks Edgar--as well as the rest of TD, past and > > present--as, once again, pretty unique among a lot of EM artists! What with > > albums like Mark Shreeve's _Red Shift_, Schulze's return to analogue, and > > Jarre's upcoming album, _Oxygene 7-13_, I'd say EM composers--and the people > > who praise them for just this kind of thing--are some of the most musically > > conservative people on Earth! This in a medium that allegedly prides itself on > > innovation and being different. > > > > Gabe > > Touche. Yet I think at least part of this conservatism comes from a > deep conviction that traditional EM is a style that is *far* from > being mined out. Sure, I love the new direction of TD, but whenever I > hear the old stuff --- especially the really good old stuff, like > _Logos_, _Poland_ and _Force Majure_ --- the first thing that pops to > mind is 'More --- of the similar, if not the same!' all right, but don't ask TD for it then. > -Anthony well to continue with this analogy, I guess Edgar Froese is more comfortable with starting lots of little mines here and there, rather than seeing just how deep into one he can dig. While I can sort of appreciate what other artists might feel about this, to take _Red Shift_ as an example...well, OK, I may have to prepare to stick foot in mouth since I haven't heard it, but what has surfaced here suggests that it uses much the same timbres as Rubycon-era TD, and the ideas it explores are not far off that either. It's not 'mining out', it's recycling! This leads to the trap of 'putting out the same thing for 25+ years'--which, whether you like it or not, you CAN'T accuse TD of! While I will admit that analog may have a lot of untapped potential (as might the DX7! ;) ), well, it's just that they seem to be back in demand for precisely what they COULD and HAVE done, not what they CAN do. dubiously looking forward to the new Jarre album, Gabe who has now pretty much given up on sigs. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 20, 1997 11:35 pm Subject: Re: Quicktime & Macs (was 'Catwalk' CD-I) Really-From: rch@g... I'm sorry to disapoint you, Neal but the so called Catwalk CD-I clearly states on the cover 'System requirements: IBM compatible PC..., 2.01 Quicktime for Windows (provided on CD)' Whoever invented Quicktime made a separate version specially for Mr Gates! ;) Richard :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 21, 1997 12:56 am Subject: Is it . . . . . Really-From: PNaunton@a... Tangram this week??? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 21, 1997 2:43 am Subject: Re: Quicktime & Macs (was 'Catwalk' CD-I) At 23:35 97·01·20 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: rch@g... >'System requirements: IBM compatible PC..., 2.01 Quicktime for Windows >(provided on CD)' >Whoever invented Quicktime made a separate version specially for Mr Gates! ;) The first commercial product to utilize Apple's Quicktime & Quicktime VR was Simon & Shuster Interactive for the Star Trek: The Next Generation Interactive Technical Manual.....figures. ST was always a bit ahead of it's time anyways (no pun intended there) they had the first interracial kiss (Kirk & Uhura.....the network was more concerned with the kiss being open-mouthed than interracial (go fig)) Just my $0.02 Some bizarre magenta VCRs below the tent devour the popadum! - randomly generated sentence /^\ | | Pete | penfold@a... | | semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 21, 1997 5:14 am Subject: Re: Jive Releases Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Robin A.Seed' > > Hello Dreamers, > > The following discs are the early TD releases on the Jive Electro > Lable, with the corrosponding Covers and No's. All have the same > artwork with diffrent colours. > > TANGERINE DREAM ELECTRONIC MEDITATION AUSTRIA JIVE CTANG4 > Red(ish) Cover > TANGERINE DREAM ALPHA CENTAURI AUSTRIA JIVE CTANG5 > Purple Cover > TANGERINE DREAM ZEIT AUSTRIA JIVE CTANG3 > Blue Cover > TANGERINE DREAM ATEM AUSTRIA JIVE CTANG2 > Orange Cover > TANGERINE DREAM GREEN DESERT AUSTRIA JIVE CTANG1 > Green Cover > > They seem to be published by Zomba C1986. Disks are made in Austria, I > remember reading that they were no longer in print, and have been > re-released by relativity and Castle. > > Rob Thank you for this Robin. You took care of all of them quite nicely. Still no 'Thief' in the mail. (Patience Mark) See ya Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 21, 1997 11:24 am Subject: RE: Synergy/Larry Fast & Sequential Circuits synths. Really-From: jeffrey@i... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 97 04:19:51 EST Subject: Synergy/Larry Fast & Sequential Circuits synths. Really-From: klaatu@p... >> Prophet 5 > >An other legendary model from the US-based Sequential Circuits. 5-note >poliphony and great, powerful, sometimes very dark sound. > >Just a reminder here, we know that Larry Fast is the band/artist >called Synergy who also recorded/toured with Peter Gabriel. But >what most people don't realize is that he founded Sequential Circuits >& using his Electrical Engineering background designed the Prophet 5 >synth that TD played. Sequential Circuits at one time had a large library >of sound samples for sale, most of which were the then new digital samples of >vintage analog sounds from Larry's personal collection. I dont think he founded Sequential. Dave Smith started sequential in his garage (where every good company should start). Fast provided advice to smith on what features musicians wanted and may have also provided technical advice as well. Fast did some very serious modifications to his synths especially in the area of interfacing synths and computers before midi was introduced. SOme TD related material along the same lines. Baumann commission EMU to creat a massive 16 voice analog synth named the Audity. Bob Moog called it 'the Ultimate Analogue'. They brought it to NAMM and only one person placed an order for it due to its $70,000 asking price. There was maybe 7 built max and one probably sits in Baumann's house. EMU saw the Fairlight at that show and immediately started working on what would become the Emulator on the car ride home from the show. And of all the great US synth co's that built great Analog's only Emu still exists. Farnke was involved in design of the Roland Jupiter 8. And the whole gang was very influential with Wolfgang Palm and the design of his modulars and especially the PPG Wave synths. Jeff From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 21, 1997 11:06 pm Subject: Re: Synergy/Larry Fast & Sequential Circuits synths. Really-From: Pixel > And of all the great US synth co's that built great Analog's only Emu still exists. Moog Music Co. was refounded a half year ago! GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #811 Really-From: DFO@C... > Subject: e-mailing the band themselves. > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > is there an address at which any of the band members can be contacted? The 'guestbook' section of their web page, www.netstore.de/bin/tdgbook . duane ott dfo@c... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 21, 1997 5:25 pm Subject: steve feldman temporarily off the net Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) On Jan 15th, while I was out of town, Steve Feldman left me a phone message stating that he had temporarily lost his 'net and e-mail access. Until he returns to cyberspace, he asked that I inform all of you who might be e-mailing him with various queries, information and trades to contact him by phone 617-232-3876. my apologies for any problems the delay in posting this may have caused for those of you out of the US who might need to contact steve on an urgent basis and don't want to incur international phone charges, I am willing to relay SHORT messages to him (send them to my private e-mail address and I will relay the message to him via phone). lars jones From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 21, 1997 12:58 pm Subject: D: This week Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Sorry I forgot to get this out last week, and yesterday I was off for the holiday: This week: Tangram Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 479 D: This week Plumer, Scott Mon 1/27/1997 2 KB 954 D: This week Plumer, Scott Mon 2/17/1997 2 KB 1429 D: This week Plumer, Scott Tue 3/4/1997 2 KB 1636 D: This week Plumer, Scott Mon 3/10/1997 2 KB 2167 D: This week Plumer, Scott Mon 3/31/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 21, 1997 3:58 pm Subject: Mystery tour dates Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Hello all. While flipping through the 'Voices in the Dunes' tour date list, I was sturck by several dates that were not fully documented or had some oddity about them. I though, if I could compile all the tour dates accurately, that would make an invaluable resource for tape collectors such as myself. So, I humbly ask for assistance from the kind folks on the list. For those who decide to help me, I have some suggestions: First, if you have a tour program or t-shirt that lists dates, consult that. Or, if one of these mystery dates happened in or near your hometown, check back issues of your local newspaper for advertisements, reviews, etc. Reviews are usually indexed, so if your paper is indexed, use that. Naturally, this requires a trip to your local library. Or, if that fails, and you know the venue of the date in question, you could call the venue (assuming it is still standing) and ask them. Thanks a lot for your help. Scott Here are the dates: 1968 Jan. Technische Hofschule, Berlin Creamcheese Club, Dusseldorf Salvador Dali+s place, Port Lligat, Spain Forum Theater, Berlin 1969 Magic Cave Club, Frankfurt (several dates) 1970 Technische Universitat, Berlin Experimenta Messe, Frankfurt Oct: 'Flipper Concert' Kapfenberg, Austria (w/ 12 pinball machines, etc.) Zodiac Club, Berlin Quasimodo, Berlin 1971 June: Weltmusik festival, Ossiach, Austria Univeristaet, Aachen, Germany 1972 Vienna Concert House Palais des Beaux Arts, Brussels Bayreuth: This is mentioned on TD's Web site as a place where they opened for a blues band. TD was pelted with food and garbage and booed off the stage! 1973 July: Lyon, France August: Paris August: La Rochelle, France (band performed in an inflatable tent) August: Roanne, France Gymnasium, Moenchengladbach, Germany 1974 Sept: Munich, Germany June 16: Victoria Palace Theater, London Oct 26: Rainbow Theater, London Nov 6: NE Polytechnic, London Three dates in London so close together? October: Dusseldorf, Germany 1976 Jan 23: Palais du Sport, Paris Jan 26: Hippodrome, Paris 1977 Denver: TD+s Web site mentions Baumann announced he was leaving in Denver near the end of the tour, but no mention is made in Voices of said concert occuring. 1980 October: Madrid & Barcelona, Spain; Porto & Lisbon, Portugal Nov: Warfield Theater, San Francisco 1984 June: Lycabettus Theater, Athens, Greece Was this the only show they did in +84? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 321 Re: Mystery tour dates Vincent Goudreault Tue 1/21/1997 3 KB 1345 Re: Mystery tour dates Mark Filipak Sat 3/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 21, 1997 6:36 pm Subject: Re: Mystery tour dates Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jan 21, 10:58am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Mystery tour dates > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > (...) > > 1972 > Vienna Concert House > Palais des Beaux Arts, Brussels > Bayreuth: This is mentioned on TD's Web site as a place where they > opened for a blues band. TD was pelted with food and garbage and booed > off the stage! > Could this be why Edgar does not smile on the pictures? C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 21, 1997 8:11 pm Subject: Tickets for the Berlin concert on April 16, HdK Really-From: Gary Struhlik <101652.2060@c...> For all german fans the following information: You can order tickets for the Berlin concert on 04/16/97. The concert will begin at 8:00 pm MET. Today I purchased my ticket on a local ticket office in Berlin. Gary S. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 21, 1997 10:13 pm Subject: Re: oh what do we make of current TD? (was Re: thoughts on_Goblin's Club_ (long-ish))--(even longer)! Really-From: rch@g... If I may have a word, I think the main problem with TD is simply that they're not innovative anymore. Innovative ideas I mean, not innovative technology, anyone can ave innovative tech if they can afford it (and TD can). They may be looking for new ideas but IMHO they haven't yet found any (and no amount of money can buy that!) All you have to do is look around (listen around?) to find dozens of lesser known artists with little money but incredible musical potential (as an example I'll just mention the Nightcrawlers who have issued something like 30 albums?!?). Edgar could invest his money in a label to produce other musicians' work (what Baumann did with Private Music)? Richard From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 21, 1997 10:13 pm Subject: Re: Conrad Schnitzler CD Info Really-From: rch@g... >I may post some very short reviews of his CDs and some LPs when I get around >to it. The music is very experimental, sometimes hard to classify, and >sometimes hard to believe it's music. But he has some very interesting >works. I would recommend starting out with 'Ballet Statique' and if you can >get into that, you'll, well you'll see, I mean hear... > You forgot to mention that 'Ballet Statique' was done with the participation of Peter Baumann: a great album in my opinion, should appeal to most TD fans. I'll be looking forward to your reviews! Also any info regarding Kluster will bw appreciated; I believe some albums have been reissued on CD? Cheers Richard From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 21, 1997 11:26 pm Subject: Ages/Macula wanted on tape (was Re: FROESE LPS) Really-From: Tony Marshall >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > >Both Macula Transfer and Ages are absolutely his >best solo-projects. >It's a sacrilege that there not transferred on CD yet! You're telling me. They're the ones I'm missing, and I can't find any LP copies anywhere. Now, if some kind soul in the UK would like to tape me the aforementioned titles, I'm sure we could come to some kind of arrangement! Tony Marshall |#include ----------------------|--------------------------------------------------- My Mystery Tune Page http://www.personal.u-net.com/~zigzag Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 334 Re: Ages/Macula wanted on tape (was Re: FROESE LP Robert Grabowsky Wed 1/22/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 9:32 am Subject: Silvester Anfang Really-From: lars tangmark Are there any Conny Schnitzler specialists out there? I've got a little question here; Is the song 'Silvester Anfang' available on any of the official CZ records/tapes? From what year is it? My bizzare encounter with this song was on Mayhem's mini-LP 'deathcrush' from 1986. It's used as an intro. Lifted straight from Conny's record onto theirs! I cannot imagine that Schnitzler wrote this one exclusively for 'Deathcrush'. Anyone knows something about this particular track or its appearance on 'deathcrush'? Mayhem, by the way, is a norweigan black-metal band. Lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 1:07 am Subject: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question Really-From: feldon@n... I just have one question that I ask skyward: What on earth was Edgar thinking when he faded a newly sequenced soft squishy :45 second intro into the original almost-rock version of Dominion? Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 344 Re: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question Gabe Yedid Wed 1/22/1997 2 KB 350 Re: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question sean Wed 1/22/1997 2 KB 361 Re: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question feldon@n... Thu 1/23/1997 2 KB 367 Re: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question Gabe Yedid Thu 1/23/1997 2 KB 368 Re: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question florin epure Thu 1/23/1997 3 KB 382 Re: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question Gabe Yedid Thu 1/23/1997 4 KB 385 Re: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question feldon@n... Fri 1/24/1997 3 KB 386 Re: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question feldon@n... Fri 1/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 1:04 am Subject: Re: Quicktime & Macs (was 'Catwalk' CD-I) Really-From: feldon@n... >I'm sorry to disapoint you, Neal but the so called Catwalk CD-I clearly >states on the cover >'System requirements: IBM compatible PC..., 2.01 Quicktime for Windows >(provided on CD)' >Whoever invented Quicktime made a separate version specially for Mr Gates! ;) QuickTime was invented by Apple. QuickTime files made on Windows will play on Macintosh with no modification. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 1:27 am Subject: Re: Jive Releases Really-From: feldon@n... Anyone willing to get involved in a thorough look at the two boxed sets Tangents and Dream Roots including song-by-song comparisons with the originally released music? I would have webspace to put up the resulting (even as it is in progress) 'report'. For starters: --------------------------------------------- Tyger (Jungle Mystery) vs. the Relativity '92 release. Pros: Clearer, cleaner recording (IMHO the Relativity '92 CD is very noisy!) Cons: The overdubbing (up to four recordings in some cases) of the vocalist seems very obvious and makes me lose focus on the melody. Notes: The relativity '92 release version of the song could survive without the lyrics, but the music part of the dream roots release is much thinner and complements the lyrics. Dream Roots seems to have more minutes of Tyger represented than any other album. No? ---------------------------------------------- Logos (Blue Part) Pros: A starting-from-scratch version of the song. I frequently listen to the Live version and then play this version (from Tangents) back to back (too bad the CD version of the concert is not indexed like it is on Tangents). Cons: The synth flute sounds that spiral up twice in the middle of the song are really synthetic sounding. Notes: Not only is the version of Logos (Blue Part) located on the Three Phase video edited from this version, but it almost sounds remixed in some places and some sounds samples on the Tangents version seem to be missing on the Three Phase video version. ----------------------------- Journey through a Burning Brain Pros: I can listen to this, I couldn't listen to the original. Cons: (can't really answer this because I've only heard JBB once) ----------------------------- Morgan feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 348 Re: Jive Releases Gabe Yedid Wed 1/22/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 1:31 am Subject: Re: Quicktime & Macs (was 'Catwalk' CD-I) Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: feldon@n... > > >I'm sorry to disapoint you, Neal but the so called Catwalk CD-I clearly > >states on the cover > >'System requirements: IBM compatible PC..., 2.01 Quicktime for Windows > >(provided on CD)' > >Whoever invented Quicktime made a separate version specially for Mr Gates! ;) > > QuickTime was invented by Apple. QuickTime files made on Windows will play > on Macintosh with no modification. > > Morgan Careful here! Though a CD-ROM _may_ be marked as Windows because some installation program only works with Windows (but you may not need an installation program) or because some utility (like QT for Windows) is included, it is also likely that the file system on the disk is not Mac compatible. Nothing beats a try, but I wouldn't buy it from any place that wouldn't let me bring it back. Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 12:34 am Subject: FAQ Contest Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! Well...I don't know why this didn't get sent out on Saturday... The winner is...FLORIN EPURE! 8 ) The correct answer is; Tangerine Dream Live (Berlin Platz der Republic Aug. 29 '81), an official 'bootleg' of 1000 cassette copies distributed by the band to 'the peace movement' and... Shepards Bush (London Nov. 30 '96), either the single, or the webcast, since the encores are the same. The link... 'Force Majure' 7th movement (after the 'Holocaust Train' section), present at the end of the first set on the tape, and in the 'Thief Yang...' encore track! The prize... A rare concert CD-R of his choice! goozer (who still doesn't think it was that hard!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 1:29 am Subject: FAQ Risky Business Really-From: 'teiwaz barana' Subject: Re: FAQ: Risky Business Really-From: TWeibre361@a... << Once again, 'Love On A Real Train' has been part of four different concert programs, as follows; '83 Polish Tour, '87 Berlin 750th Anniversary Concert, '90 UK Tour, and '92 North American Tour. The track times are: >> And they played it 15 November 1986 as part of the Mill Valley Music in the Movies benefit concert. And no, I don't have the setlist or a copy of the show on tape, but I do have a great sounding copy of a friend of mine getting kicked out of the Berkeley 1988 show while taping the opening minutes of TD. The security guard even speaks in Ebonics--'I don' have time for dis right now--come awn oud wif me now--else you be errested'. Except for a couple of glitches, the Andy Summers tape came out great. --Thomas B. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 3:33 am Subject: Sheperd's Bush CD Really-From: feldon@n... I couldn't believe it when I walked into my local record shop, grabbed Tangents ($54) and then as I was sifting through Tangerine Dream stuff, I saw Goblin's Club for $9.99 and Sheperd's Bush for $17.99. Oh well... And yes, they have every TD CD that I know of, plus Chris Franke's stuff, etc... Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 4:42 am Subject: Re: Ages/Macula wanted on tape (was Re: FROESE LPS) Really-From: Robert Grabowsky At 11:26 PM 1/21/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: Tony Marshall > > > >>Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >> >>Both Macula Transfer and Ages are absolutely his >>best solo-projects. >>It's a sacrilege that there not transferred on CD yet! > >You're telling me. They're the ones I'm missing, and I can't find any LP >copies anywhere. Now, if some kind soul in the UK would like to tape me the >aforementioned titles, I'm sure we could come to some kind of arrangement! > >Tony Marshall |#include Cheltenham, England |Mode.Gordon Giltrap.Ashra.Jarre.Pet Shop Boys.Oasis >tonym@z...|Kraftwerk.Pink Floyd.Penguin Cafe.Trance/Goa stuff > >----------------------|--------------------------------------------------- >My Mystery Tune Page http://www.personal.u-net.com/~zigzag > >I have an extra copy of Macula Transfer on Vinyl Excellent condition(NM).Make me an offer of TD bootleg CD or CD copy of The Man Inside. Robert HGHLNDR@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 6:13 am Subject: D: _Tangram_ This album was one I picked up in my 'attack dose' of TD, back in '81 I can find nothing to complain about this one, every note and sound so close to perfection, an album/CD that I can listen to over & over. And the survey says..... 5AS! Cannibals never eat clowns because they taste funny /^\ | | Pete | penfold@a... | | semi.random.sig.quote Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 438 Re: D: _Tangram_ PhilPDX@a... Sat 1/25/1997 2 KB 1235 D: _Tangram_ Marshall Wood Tue 2/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 1:24 pm Subject: House of the Rising Sun Really-From: Vic Rek Last night I was playing various LPs and as I played Mark Shreeve's 'Assassin' the title song struck me as 'House of the Rising Sun' as played on the 'Sound and Effects' CD. Has this been discussed before? Can anybody elaborate on this song and the 'traditional arrangement' and it's roots? Victor Also JARRE LP for sale: As I was digging through my LPs I found a LP compilation by Jarre titled 'The Essential Jarre' released in 1983 in the UK. Does anybody need it? Give me a private e-mail and I can part with it cheaply. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 362 Re: House of the Rising Sun Michael A Jean Thu 1/23/1997 2 KB 450 Re: House of the Rising Sun rch@g... Sun 1/26/1997 2 KB 451 Re: House of the Rising Sun Robert Grabowsky Sun 1/26/1997 2 KB 452 Re: House of the Rising Sun Vic Rek Sun 1/26/1997 2 KB 463 Re: House of the Rising Sun gerryfox Sun 1/26/1997 2 KB 1895 House of the Rising Sun Mark Filipak Sun 3/16/1997 2 KB 1898 Re: House of the Rising Sun Vic Rek Sun 3/16/1997 3 KB 1917 Re: House of the Rising Sun TWeibre361@a... Mon 3/17/1997 2 KB 1926 Re: House of the Rising Sun Mark Filipak Mon 3/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 1:52 pm Subject: Re: concert-taping laughs (was:FAQ Risky Business) Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-01-21 22:30:31 EST, you write: << And they played it 15 November 1986 as part of the Mill Valley Music in the Movies benefit concert. And no, I don't have the setlist or a copy of the show on tape, but I do have a great sounding copy of a friend of mine getting kicked out of the Berkeley 1988 show while taping the opening minutes of TD. The security guard even speaks in Ebonics--'I don' have time for dis right now--come awn oud wif me now--else you be errested'. Except for a couple of glitches, the Andy Summers tape came out great. --Thomas B. >> what a laugh...it reminds me of the time in '78 when i got busted in dc during a supertramp concert...about 30 min. into the show, i was accosted by 3 burly security guys who pulled me out of the row (4th) and dragged me into a back room to discuss penalties with the 'promoter'... lo and behold, the 'promoter' was in the process of raping a clearly intoxicated piece of young male jailbait...needless to say, the tape was running and was later used as evidence in the trial (of the century)...tom w np: muslimgauze - hamas arc Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 341 Re: concert-taping laughs (was:FAQ Risky Business Plumer, Scott Wed 1/22/1997 2 KB 343 Re: concert-taping laughs (was:FAQ Risky Business TWeibre361@a... Wed 1/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 3:05 pm Subject: MACULA TRANSFER Really-From: Michael A Jean While in London during the week after the concert I spotted an LP copy of Macula Transfer toward the back of a shop (Don't remember the name). It was a relatively large shop (for SOHO anyway) toward the North end of the district. Hermes was with me at the time..perhaps he remembers. Don't all rush out at the same time now!!!! Mike J Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13960 MACULA TRANSFER RBrown4856 Wed 5/27/1998 2 KB 13961 Re: MACULA TRANSFER Dan J. Schulte Wed 5/27/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 3:08 pm Subject: correction Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) Having finally caught up on my e-mail, I see that steve feldman has managed to find a way to post things to the list--in spite of what I said yesterday. So I hope that my last post did not confuse things. I've tried to contact steve personally but no luck yet. I hope I haven't totally confused everyone up to this point. apologies to all lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5175 correction Lars R. Jones Thu 6/19/1997 2 KB 21649 correction Joel Mullen Tue 4/4/2000 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 3:46 pm Subject: D:_-_-_-_Tangram_-_-_-_ Really-From: PNaunton@a... 21-Jan-97 I know that some of you are not very fond of anecdotes, but I can't help myself here. Tangerine Dream 'Tangram' Published - 1980 Purchased - 1980 Format - LP Label - Virgin Catalog - v2147 Personnel - Froese, Franke, Schmoelling It was during this time that I was working in several theaters in Chicago, Illinois, USA. My mentor and I were discussing a production that was developing, and the subject of kinetic sculpture came up somehow. He was also the curator of several public art exebitions in Chicago. He mentioned that he had purchased several large sculptures done by Harry Bertoia, who I had never heard of. He went on to explain that Bertoia's work was composed primarily of large thin rods anchored to heavy bases which, when stimulated, would move like fields of wheat in the wind. The rods of course would hit each other during this process and create an almost bell-like random music. He then said he had a recording of Bertoia 'playing' these sculptures in his studio. Cruddy recording, but I did listen to the whole LP. I still have it somewhere. Sometime later 'Tangram' was released, and there in the middle of side two was this 'exact same sound' used as a musical bridge. It snuck up on me, and suddenly I froze, trying to figure out what was going on. It felt like I was displaced in time/space and I couldn't figure out what had triggered the feeling. It took me awhile to put the puzzle pieces together, and realize that two totally independent events were being linked by this sound that I had heard. It was real bizarre; kind of like deja vu all over again. Ever since then I have held a particular place for 'Tangram' in this little corner of 'The Twilight Zone'. Phil N. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 342 Re: D:_-_-_-_Tangram_-_-_-_ sean Wed 1/22/1997 2 KB 346 D:_-_-_-_Tangram_-_-_-_ Marcel Engels Wed 1/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 4:23 pm Subject: Re: concert-taping laughs (was:FAQ Risky Business) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >a back room to discuss penalties with the 'promoter'... lo and behold, the >'promoter' was in the process of raping a clearly intoxicated piece of >young >male jailbait...needless to say, the tape was running and was later used as >evidence in the trial (of the century)...tom w Inquiring minds want to know: did you suffer the same fate? :-D Scott P.S. My concert taping horror story: Pink Floyd, Cleveland 1994: Busted by security on the way in, I showed them my press pass and said I used the tape recorder so I knew what songs they played. I was a reporter for a small-town newspaper at the time, and they bought it, plus gave me a promo packet! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 5:11 pm Subject: Re: D:_-_-_-_Tangram_-_-_-_ Really-From: sean My own Tangram anecdote: My very first job (when I was 16) was in the Meat Department of an A&P. Within said department was a machine for wrapping all the dead animal flesh that ends up on the counter....and the sound 'beat' of that machine was *exactly* like the machine sound in Tangram part one...it was startling. Tangram Part one remains one of my all-time favourite TD pieces. Everything that they do best, they do here. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 4:53 pm Subject: Re: concert-taping laughs (was:FAQ Risky Business) Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-01-22 11:27:59 EST, you write: << Inquiring minds want to know: did you suffer the same fate? :-D Scott P.S. My concert taping horror story: Pink Floyd, Cleveland 1994: Busted by security on the way in, I showed them my press pass and said I used the tape recorder so I knew what songs they played. I was a reporter for a small-town newspaper at the time, and they bought it, plus gave me a promo packet! >> did i suffer which same fate: rape or trial? or both? no i wasnt raped, and no, i didnt go on trial for this one...mike oldfield's management tried to make an example out of me once...the old press pass ruse...believe it or not, i still have a bootleg pass from the old trouser press...works like a charm in a pinch....ps: what was in the promo pack? tom w np: redeye - arizona tracks From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 6:10 pm Subject: Re: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, tadream mailing list was emotionally biased by men of the Second Foundation to say: > Really-From: feldon@n... > > What on earth was Edgar thinking when he faded a newly sequenced soft > squishy :45 second intro into the original almost-rock version of Dominion? > > Morgan Actually I prefer just that new intro bit to the whole rest of the song... Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 350 Re: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question sean Wed 1/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 6:15 pm Subject: Re: FAQ Contest Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > > Greetings all! > > Well...I don't know why this didn't get sent out on Saturday... > > The winner is...FLORIN EPURE! 8 ) ongratulations for Florin, in the first place... > The correct answer is; > Tangerine Dream Live (Berlin Platz der Republic Aug. 29 '81), an official > 'bootleg' of 1000 cassette copies distributed by the band to 'the peace > movement' > > and... > > Shepards Bush (London Nov. 30 '96), either the single, or the webcast, > since the encores are the same. > > The link... > > 'Force Majure' 7th movement (after the 'Holocaust Train' section), present > at the end of the first set on the tape, and in the 'Thief Yang...' encore > track! And, why on earth do I say that ? If Shepher'd Bush CD is to be considered 'live' because It was the London Concert Encore, then with more reasons could it be considered Tangram a live album since It was played around Europe in 1981 tour. (Germany, Luxembourg, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Ireland and England) but nobody say it ? agree ? And considering the webcast event a live album, well ... Broadcasting or webcastinf is not a permanent media, ... or then Patrolling Space borders is another live 'oficial' album since it was recorded from an FM broadcast. As for that limited tape edition of TD at Berlin,... then why not Quinoa ?, performed live at The Cave, Berlin. Anyway I agree this cassette has to be considered an oficial live TD album because It was released live, but, then, it's time to correct Datta's discography, because there isn't any entry for this tape. Maybe the best solution for the contest would be Quinoa and TD at Berlin Platz der Republic Aug. 29 '81, with no song connected those events, but much less than 15 year gap between them. Anyway, I still think ( and this is only a guess) that the original tapes for the Sorcerer score is a mix of themes recorded during concerts around Europe ( maybe taken directly from the soundboard without ambience mics to avoid people noises); and I think it because that CD doesn't say specifically 'recorded at Pepito's studio' but 'Recorded in Europe' regards From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 5:48 pm Subject: D:_-_-_-_Tangram_-_-_-_ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Definitely one of their best albums. Long tracks were you can get involved in. I think this album has a lot of comparissons to classic music. It's all very well structured and the music is sometimes romantic and sometimes agressive. The balance between those two are perfect. I would definitely recommend the album to those who aren't familiair with TD-music or like classical music. This album has the perfect balance between the Baumann-age and the Schmoelling-age, which I both like very, very much. And thank God there are no drums in it. If such an album would come out now, I would pay triple the price of a normal album. Marcel Engels fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 6:40 pm Subject: tangram Really-From: AslanFan1@a... One of my all time favorite electronic recordings. One of TD's best. It's symphonic, addictive, almost Vangelis-like. It stands apart from anything else they recorded and to me, along with Logos, is the best of the Schmoelling era. I've played it a bazillion times and never tired of it. This was the album that hooked me on TD. This is all very subjective, but I just plain love the disc. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 466 tangram Armin Theissen Mon 1/27/1997 3 KB 474 tangram MiqSk8@a... Mon 1/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 6:15 pm Subject: Re: Jive Releases Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: feldon@n... > > Logos (Blue Part) > > Pros: > A starting-from-scratch version of the song. I frequently listen to the Live > version and then play this version (from Tangents) back to back (too bad the > CD version of the concert is not indexed like it is on Tangents). technically the Tangents version is 'live' too, this was the version played on the 1988 tour. I much prefer it to the original. > Cons: > The synth flute sounds that spiral up twice in the middle of the song are > really synthetic sounding. well...they are synth-flutes...they don't HAVE to sound real ;) > Notes: > Not only is the version of Logos (Blue Part) located on the Three Phase > video edited from this version, but it almost sounds remixed in some places > and some sounds samples on the Tangents version seem to be missing on the > Three Phase video version. it is possible that the Tangents version could have been remixed again. Near the end of the track you can hear the female vocals sound that 90s TD uses, but wasn't being used (if it even existed) in the late 80s. > > Morgan > feldon@n... Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 6:53 pm Subject: Michel Huygen's/Neuronium Home Page Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hi everybody Well this is the adress of Huygen/Neuronium web pages http://pegasus.cambrescat.es/oniria/#inicio there you may find info abut discography and other Huygen's proyects. regards Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 353 Re: Michel Huygen's/Neuronium Home Page TWeibre361@a... Wed 1/22/1997 2 KB 365 Re: Michel Huygen's/Neuronium Home Page Francisco Salgado C. Thu 1/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 7:22 pm Subject: Re: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question Really-From: sean > Actually I prefer just that new intro bit to the whole rest of the song... When I first heard Dominion back in 1986 I thought it was great....but by the end of the decade it had come to sound like the theme to some lame 80s TV show. Mind you, 'The Jogger' on Tangents is a far worse offender in this regard. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 7:41 pm Subject: Re: FAQ Contest Really-From: Vic Rek At 07:15 PM 1/22/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > >Maybe the best solution for the contest would be Quinoa and TD at Berlin >Platz der Republic Aug. 29 '81, with no song connected those events, but >much less than 15 year gap between them. > And what about 'Ozillator Planet Concert' from Ossiach Live, why wouldn't that qualify? There is defintely a 15+ year span here. > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 8:08 pm Subject: Trade: WWR <-> Exit (SBM) Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Folks, I have Paul Haslinger, 'World Without Rules'. It's too 'dramatic' for my tastes. I would like to trade it for the SBM remastered version of Tangerine Dream, 'Exit'. Please respond directly for this once in a half-lifetime opportunity. Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 8:43 pm Subject: Re: Michel Huygen's/Neuronium Home Page Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-01-22 13:57:45 EST, you write: << Well this is the adress of Huygen/Neuronium web pages http://pegasus.cambrescat.es/oniria/#inicio >> has anyone else had problems accessing beyond the homepage? thanks...tom w From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 9:08 pm Subject: Re: FAQ Contest Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' While we're at it, isn't Electronic Meditation live in an upstairs apartment in Berlin? And it LiveMiles really live? (That was purely a rhetorical question - no answers please) I could see this becoming a major semantic discussion reall soon. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 2:56 am Subject: Re: FAQ Contest Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Vic Rek > > At 07:15 PM 1/22/97 +0100, you wrote: > >Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > > >Maybe the best solution for the contest would be Quinoa and TD at Berlin > >Platz der Republic Aug. 29 '81, with no song connected those events, but > >much less than 15 year gap between them. > > > And what about 'Ozillator Planet Concert' from Ossiach Live, why wouldn't > that qualify? There is defintely a 15+ year span here. Because we are talking about oficial releases. Is Oszillator an oficial one ? -- Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 22, 1997 11:06 pm Subject: subcribe tadream Really-From: Jeff Kortsch From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 6:08 am Subject: Musical Instruments Really-From: kmj@n... tadream mailing list, WELCOME TO INTERNET'S BEST FULL LINE MUSIC STORE We supply worldwide the SAME musical instruments & accessories that one can purchase from the local importers and music stores, BUT FOR LESS! 100% SATISFACTION GUARANTEED! We stock US$ millions in all instrument types from over 3,000 manufacturers. No minimum orders! For FULL DETAILS, mailto:kmj@n...?subject=INFO'> a BLANK message ONLY. _ _ _ _ / \ -A ll brands & models |\__________|_|_|_(_____________//\ \ -L argest selection |/----//---[ | | ]-----\\-------\\/ / -A ll credit cards [| (L|O|W|E|S|T) |] \_/ -M ost traffic site \\=(P|R|I|C|E|S)=// -O ne-Stop Cyber Shop \\__| | | |____// [_]_[_] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 12:54 pm Subject: Re: FAQ Contest Really-From: Vic Rek >> And what about 'Ozillator Planet Concert' from Ossiach Live, why wouldn't >> that qualify? There is defintely a 15+ year span here. > >Because we are talking about oficial releases. >Is Oszillator an oficial one ? > This is an official release. It was released by BASF in Germany. But yes, there is a bootleg CD out of this 3LP 1971 set. Victor > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 1:00 pm Subject: D:Tangram Really-From: Vic Rek This is a great release even though disliked by some fans I know. I bought it right when it came out and I still never get tired of it. This is what electronic music is all about! I give it 5AS! I was going to say 4AS, but then I put on my Japanese virgin vinyl mint promo pressing and turned up the volume.... Victor Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 390 Re: D:Tangram Steve McCready Fri 1/24/1997 3 KB 396 Re: D:Tangram Craig R. J. Cordrey Fri 1/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 1:27 pm Subject: Re: FAQ Contest Really-From: feldon@n... At 07:15 PM 1/22/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > >tadream mailing list wrote: >> >> Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >> >> Greetings all! >> >> Well...I don't know why this didn't get sent out on Saturday... >> >> The winner is...FLORIN EPURE! 8 ) >If Shepher'd Bush CD is to be considered 'live' because It was the >London Concert Encore, then with more reasons could it be considered >Tangram a live album since It was played around Europe in 1981 tour. >(Germany, Luxembourg, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Ireland and England) >but nobody say it ? agree ? > >As for that limited tape edition of TD at Berlin,... then why not >Quinoa ?, performed live at The Cave, Berlin. I think the point we are trying to make is that, maybe we shouldn't call it live unless it is recorded in front of an calm/screaming/sleepy/happy audience and very little studio doctoring is done afterwards... Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 1:24 pm Subject: Re: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question Really-From: feldon@n... >> What on earth was Edgar thinking when he faded a newly sequenced soft >> squishy :45 second intro into the original almost-rock version of Dominion? >> >> Morgan > > >Actually I prefer just that new intro bit to the whole rest of the song... I should have clarified. The :45 second intro by itself is good, and the song they performed live was good, but he should have re-mastered the whole song not just :45 sec's. It *would* be interesting for him to do it in the dreamy style (no pun!). I mean, converting a almost rockish tune into a dreamy... well, you know what I mean. Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 367 Re: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question Gabe Yedid Thu 1/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 3:00 pm Subject: Re:House of the Rising Sun Really-From: Michael A Jean I haven't heard the Sounds and Effects disc, but it is my understanding that the song on that cd IS Mark Shreeve. (maybe I'm way off!) But believe me, neither the classic version or the TD version sound anything lihe Mark SHreeve! Mike J From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 3:32 pm Subject: Re: Musical Instruments---SPAM Really-From: "Robin A.Seed" At 14:08 23/1/97 +0800, you wrote: >Really-From: kmj@netvigator.com > > >tadream mailing list, > > WELCOME TO INTERNET'S BEST FULL LINE MUSIC STORE > >We supply worldwide the SAME musical instruments & accessories that >one can purchase from the local importers and music stores, BUT FOR >LESS! 100% SATISFACTION GUARANTEED! We stock US$ millions in all >instrument types from over 3,000 manufacturers. No minimum orders! >For FULL DETAILS, mailto:kmj@netvigator.com?subject=INFO"> a BLANK >message ONLY. _ > _ _ _ / \ -A ll brands & models > |\__________|_|_|_(_____________//\ \ -L argest selection > |/----//---[ | | ]-----\\-------\\/ / -A ll credit cards > [| (L|O|W|E|S|T) |] \_/ -M ost traffic site > \\=(P|R|I|C|E|S)=// -O ne-Stop Cyber Shop > \\__| | | |____// > [_]_[_] > Hi all Dreamers, I don't know what you guys think about SPAM e-mail, but it really gets on my nerves........this has been mailed from Hong Kong.......if any of you are interested. There has been a lot of talk here about this, because Netviagtor is run by the HK Telecom (the monopoly of HK's Telephone lines). And they have been breaking all the ISP's moral codes.....by logging in to all the other ISP's and getting the list of users, and spamming us with all sorts of junk mail. I must apologize that there is no TD content....... Robin P.S I have nothing agianst the actual company offering the goods, that is not my grudge. ********************************************************************************* Robin.A.Seed Hong Kong e-mail rseed@asiaonline.net ********************************************************************************* Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 366 Re: Musical Instruments---SPAM Ian M. Hall-Beyer Thu 1/23/1997 3 KB 370 Re: Musical Instruments---SPAM Mark Filipak Thu 1/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 5:14 pm Subject: tape tree potentials Really-From: 'teiwaz barana' Dreamers I've been thinking about starting up a tape tree and am wondering if there's any demand ;-). I have the Rainer Werner Fassbinder Memorial Concert 10 inch Electronic Inspiration (Live '85--really '86) LP and Somnambulistic Imagery (6/6/86 2CD) I'd like to do this to get other rarities, so if you've got something to trade please let me know. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 373 Re: tape tree potentials Mark Filipak Thu 1/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 5:38 pm Subject: Re: Michel Huygen's/Neuronium Home Page Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > > In a message dated 97-01-22 13:57:45 EST, you write: > > << Well this is the adress of Huygen/Neuronium web pages > > http://pegasus.cambrescat.es/oniria/#inicio >> > > has anyone else had problems accessing beyond the homepage? thanks...tom w I had no problems. Please note there is also an english version, just click the british flag regards From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: Re: Musical Instruments---SPAM Really-From: 'Ian M. Hall-Beyer' On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 23:32:31 +0800, tadream mailing list wrote: I received a similar spam from another company a few weeks ago, offering the same type of product... They were out of auston, TX, I think. -Ian ================================================== 'People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history.' -- Vice President Dan Quayle ================================================== Ian Hall-Beyer Tupelo, MS ================================================== www.nerdherd.net DNRC Chairman of Cheesecake DNRC Minister of Mocha ================================================== From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 5:35 pm Subject: Re: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: feldon@n... > > > I should have clarified. The :45 second intro by itself is good, and the > song they performed live was good, but he should have re-mastered the whole > song not just :45 sec's. It *would* be interesting for him to do it in the > dreamy style (no pun!). I mean, converting a almost rockish tune into a > dreamy... well, you know what I mean. > > Morgan Oh but he did! Listen to the two back to back. Besides having a very different soundstage (hope this is the appropriate term here), the Tangents version has at least 3 patches not in the original. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 7:44 pm Subject: Re: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question Really-From: florin epure > Really-From: feldon@n... > > > I should have clarified. The :45 second intro by itself is good, and the > song they performed live was good, but he should have re-mastered the whole > song not just :45 sec's. It *would* be interesting for him to do it in the > dreamy style (no pun!). I mean, converting a almost rockish tune into a > dreamy... well, you know what I mean. > > Morgan >Oh but he did! Listen to the two back to back. Besides having a very >different soundstage (hope this is the appropriate term here), the >Tangents version has at least 3 patches not in the original. >Gabe I have to contradict you Gabe on this one - for me it seems it just mixed 45 sec intro to the original Dominion track - the live background also suggests it. By my opinion I didn't like the 45 sec intro - not that it didn't sound good - but it just does not link to the original '82 sound. And you can see this all around tangents. On the other hand - speaking of 5 cd sets - I liked the re-masters on Dream roots of tracks like Journey through a burning brain,etc I would love to see all first four td cd's - re-arranged with modern technology - (but I don't think this will happen.) I think they would sound just fantastic. Florin. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 382 Re: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question Gabe Yedid Thu 1/23/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 7:54 pm Subject: At Darwin's Motel Really-From: 'Andrew Fisher' The track 'At Darwin's Motel' on Goblins Club contains a sample of a song sung in sanscritt by a female Indian singer. This same song has been sampled to a fuller extent by Michael Cretu on his new Enigma album, 'Le Roi Est Mort, Vive le Roi'. released in November. Does anyone know where this sample originated from, or who is singing it? Is it commercially available? Thanks! Best wishes Andrew Fisher td@a... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 379 Re: At Darwin's Motel sean Thu 1/23/1997 2 KB 9976 At Darwin's Motel Colin Knowles Mon 1/12/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 7:43 pm Subject: Re: Musical Instruments---SPAM Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Robin A.Seed' > > At 14:08 23/1/97 +0800, you wrote: > >Really-From: kmj@n... > > > > > >tadream mailing list, > > > > WELCOME TO INTERNET'S BEST FULL LINE MUSIC STORE > > That first line is enough for me. As soon as I see such ... (delete). From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 8:19 pm Subject: SBM Definitives Really-From: AslanFan1@a... Those of us in the US have not seen a re-release of many of the best TD albums (definitive editions). I am looking for exit, tangram, rubycon an phaedra). I have the old virgin releases of them but want the SBM definitives. Can anyone here direct me? Also, do we have a release date for Oasis on CD? And one last question, any clues on where I could find Johannes' Zoo of Tranquility and White Out on CD? I had White Out at one time and like an absolute idiot, I traded it. Please help! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 378 Re: SBM Definitives Gabe Yedid Thu 1/23/1997 2 KB 436 Re: SBM Definitives Francisco Salgado C. Sat 1/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 7:05 pm Subject: Usenet help... Really-From: 'Brian M. Frick' Does anyone know where I could post a For Sale on Usenet, perhaps in Musical Instruments for sale? I have a FATAR Studio 90+ for sale, but I'm new at this usenet stuff, and don't know where to post a message... Any help is gratefully appreciated!! 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(tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 8:14 pm Subject: Re: tape tree potentials Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'teiwaz barana' > > Dreamers > > I've been thinking about starting up a tape tree and am wondering if there's > any demand ;-). > > I have the Rainer Werner Fassbinder Memorial Concert 10 inch > Electronic Inspiration (Live '85--really '86) LP > and Somnambulistic Imagery (6/6/86 2CD) > > I'd like to do this to get other rarities, so if you've got something to trade > please let me know. > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > --------------------------------------------------------- Hi Teiwaz. What an interesting name! I'm trying to set something up like this and also a reliable 'courier' system so people can swap rarities without having to rely on the mail. If you would like to participate, give me an email. Your email is with 'hotmail'. Does that mean you are also in California? Best.. Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 7:31 pm Subject: Re: FAQ Contest Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Vic Rek > > >> And what about 'Ozillator Planet Concert' from Ossiach Live, why > >> wouldn't that qualify? There is defintely a 15+ year span here. > > > >Because we are talking about oficial releases. > >Is Oszillator an oficial one ? > > > This is an official release. It was released by BASF in Germany. But > yes, there is a bootleg CD out of this 3LP 1971 set. > > Victor > > Vic (and everyone else), Do you have any more details on this 3LP, BASF release that I can put in the discography? Track listing would be very helpful. Thanks, Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: D: _Rubycon_ Really-From: Marshall Wood (Forgive me while I catch up a bit!) _Rubycon_ (1975) Rating: 4 AS I didn't hear _Rubycon_ until after I had heard all the other TD classics of the 70s, and until listening to it multiple times this week in preparation for this review, I wasn't really all that enamoured with it. But after spending time at work and in the car with _Rubycon_, it's certainly moved up in my eyes (ears). I now think that _Rubycon_ deserves its place alongside the 'classic' TD releases. Several people here have suggested that _Rubycon_ makes excellent Halloween music. I only agree to an extent. This CD is full of changes in mood. Both tracks have haunting openings, but ensuing sections (especially in 'Part 1') feature warm mellotron sounds that I find pretty uplifting. Side 2 is similar, with the 'Ominous Mens' Chorus' (someone here coined that term) and VCS3 wind effects providing the suspenseful, spooky music, and constantly changing rhythmic sequences to whisk the listener away to warmer climes. I'll give _Rubycon_ a low 4 on the AS. I think that I may have gone higher had I not heard some of the later TD CDs before ever hearing this one. MWood From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: D: _Stratosfear_ Really-From: Marshall Wood _Stratosfear_ (1976) Rating: 4 AS Not many people seemed to comment on this release, which seems strange. Wasn't this the album that really got TD some notable exposure in the US? Anyway, this is a great album. I disagree completely with the poster who said that not much happens here. (Though I recall saying something similar the first time I heard _Poland_, and after several listenings, I took back those words.) The title track is prime Baumann-era TD. Short melodies zip in from nowhere, and fade out, giving way to others. (I love the melody that comes in around 3:15.) Nice brief guitar bits from Edgar tossed in there as well. 'The Big Sleep in Search of Hades' is more of the same. I can't say that the use of the harmonica at the beginning and end of '3 am at the Border of the Marsh from Okefenokee' does much for me. But the rest of the track is nice, ambient stuff. Finally, 'Invisible Limits,' which is a highlight. And doesn't it sounds like real drums making an appearance around the 3:00 mark? Franke is credited with 'percussion' in the liner notes, after all. More moody guitar work from Froese, and some dreamy piano to bring the whole thing to a close. I love the cover art. Reminds me of the first pictures that were returned from the surface of Venus. The Russian probe that took them (Venera 9) stopped transmitting after returning a few grainy pictures. That was in October of 1975, so the time is about right. Also, the US Viking spacecraft were transmitting data back from the surface of Mars around the time that _Stratosfear_ was recorded. So perhaps some of those photos were the impetus for this cover? Regardless, the unearthly landscape depicted on the cover fits perfectly with the music. My favorite TD artwork. (But where is Jerome?) I'll give this album a solid 4 AS. MWood Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 417 Re: D: _Stratosfear_ Dave Lane Fri 1/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: D: _Sorcerer_ Really-From: Marshall Wood _Sorcerer_ (1977) Rating: 4 AS One of my favorite TD soundtracks. The music is ominous in the extreme, and very suspenseful. 'Main Title' is very eerie, and as times just sounds like industrial noise. Maybe a bit too long at 5:29. 'Search' is a great contrast to the first track. 'Search' is more melodic, and perhaps too short. This is generally the case here - the harser tracks like 'Main Title' & 'Abyss' are long, while the melodic tracks like 'Mountain Road' are relatively brief. I'd prefer the reverse, methinks. 'The Call' and 'Grind' are great, and are instantly recognizable as TD. Multiple synth melodies gliding over insistent sequencer backdrops. Some of the same bits crop up in other pieces, like 'Betrayal.' I really like 'Impressions of Sorcerer,' and I award this track the best-on-the-album honor. The guitar work is typically tasteful, and the keyboard percussion sounds are quite varied, unlike the percussion of TD today. If only this track was longer... I've only seen the movie once, before I bought the soundtrack CD - is this track included in the movie? When? I have to say that I agree with whoever commented on the ghostly photo of Messrs. Baumann, Franke, and Froese. If that photo had been the first exposure of any sort that I had ever had to TD, I might have been too scared to go any further! :) As is usually the case, the soundtrack is far better than the film. But in this case, the movie isn't bad at all. Roy Scheider is excellent in it. Worth checking out, IMO. Certainly better than movies like _Dead Solid Perfect_ and (yawn) _Heartbreakers_. And the music fit the film quite well. Easily a 4 on the Armin Scale. Might even compare with the best of 'em on some days! And for whoever it was that asked about the poem that was included in the LP release: yes, that is there on my CD version (MCA Catalog # MCAD-10842). The positioning of the poem and the comments by producer/director William Friedkin seem to indicate that he wrote the poem. Shrug. MWood Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 445 Re: D: _Sorcerer_ Louis R. Vincze Jr. Sat 1/25/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 9:52 pm Subject: Re: SBM Definitives Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: AslanFan1@a... > > > Also, do we have a release date for Oasis on CD? > > And one last question, any clues on where I could find Johannes' Zoo of > Tranquility and White Out on CD? I had White Out at one time and like an > absolute idiot, I traded it. Please help! _Zoo_ is scheduled to be re-released sometime soon on the TDI label. If you want the originals, well, you'll either have to 1) ply the bargain bins 2) try second hand 3) find somebody who has them and really doesn't like them both are still officially out of print on CD. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 9:15 pm Subject: Re: At Darwin's Motel Really-From: sean > The track 'At Darwin's Motel' on Goblins Club contains a sample of a song > sung in sanscritt by a female Indian singer. > Does anyone know where this sample originated from, or who is singing it? > Is it commercially available? The Enigma album provides the names of a couple of its samples in its liner notes. I assume that one of these is the piece you're looking for, but I don't know about its availability. I suspect that it might well be part of some sample library, thus explaining why TD used the same sound. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 7:46 pm Subject: TD items for sale Really-From: Peter van Dam <106631.3071@c...> Hello TD lovers, I have a saleslist with about 400 electronic, progressive, avant-garde and experimental CDs and LPs for sale. The TD items in this list I listed below with their $, DM, Guilder and Pound prices. Please ask for the complete list. Peter van Dam. Title DD On Label Quali $ DM NL UK Electronic Meditation 70 LP Ohr EX/EX 29 43 49 15 Electronic Meditation 76 LP Virgin EX/EX 11 17 19 6 Electronic Meditation 76 LP Virgin EX/EX 17 25 29 9 Atem 73 LP Ohr EX/EX 17 25 29 9 Atem 73 LP Polydor EX/EX 15 22 25 8 Alpha Centauri/Atem (Quadro) 76 LP2 Orrizonte EX/M- 29 43 49 15 Rubycon 75 LP Virgin 3 4 5 2 Ricochet (Insert) 75 LPJ Virgin EX/EX 35 51 59 18 Force Majeure ( Clear Vinyl ) 79 LP Virgin EX/VG 15 22 25 8 Staatsgrenze West 80 LPB VEB EX/M- 29 43 49 15 Exit 81 LP Virgin 3 4 5 2 Thief 81 LP Virgin 5 8 9 3 Quichotte 81 LP Amiga EX/EX 15 22 25 8 White Eagle 82 LP Virgin 3 4 5 2 Hyperborea 83 LP Virgin 1 5 8 9 3 Firestarter 84 LP MCA EX/EX 9 13 15 5 Warsaw In The Sun Picture Single 84 SGP Jive 23 34 39 12 Warsaw In The Sun 84 SG Jive EX/EX 9 13 15 5 Poland 84 LP2 Tonpress EX/VG 17 25 29 9 Poland 84 LP2 RelativityEX/EX 17 25 29 9 The Canyon Dreams 87 LPB Tangy 23 34 39 12 The Canyon Dreams (blue) 87 LPB Tangy 29 43 49 15 Shy People 88 LP Edelton M/M 11 17 19 6 Bicycle Race ( Multicoloured Red Vinyl ) 91 LPB Crystal PaNew 15 22 25 8 Bicycle Race ( Blue Vinyl ) 91 LPB Crystal PaNew 11 17 19 6 Bicycle Race (Multicoloured Orange Vinyl) 91 LPB Crystal PaNew 17 25 29 9 Mystery Tracks ( Flashpoint + Quinoa ) 92 CDB Phantasmat 21 30 35 11 In den garten pharaos 92 CDB Stratosfea 21 30 35 11 Dreaming on Danforth Avenue Toronto 92 92 CD Blue Moon 21 30 35 11 Antarktis ( Berlin 1987 ) 92 CDB Pinguin 21 30 35 11 Singet,.Den der gesang... pict.disc 93 LPB M/M 11 17 19 6 Sol Et Luna (Myst. Tr. II) Heartbreakers 93 CDB 21 30 35 11 Dreamtime 93 CDM Miramar. L 15 22 25 8 Dreaming Live Melbourne 93 CD 21 30 35 11 Antarktis II - 20th Century Serenades 93 CDB 21 30 35 11 Ratikon Plus Popol Vuh and Brian Eno Live CDB Melbourne 21 30 35 11 Patrolling Space Borders 95 CDB 21 30 35 11 Polish TD fanclub Sampler 1 95 CD 9 13 15 5 Polish TD fanclub Sampler 2 96 CD 9 13 15 5 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 429 Re: TD items for sale Stephan Bischoff Fri 1/24/1997 3 KB 17629 TD items for sale PhilPDX@xxx.xxx Tue 9/7/1999 2 KB 20334 TD items for sale PhilPDX@xxx.xxx Sat 1/15/2000 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 9:55 pm Subject: _World Without Rules_--already out of print? Really-From: Gabe Yedid I got a message about 1 1/2 weeks ago from HMV--they said the Paul Haslinger album I ordered (_WWR_) was no longer available! Of course, by that point, I had already gotten it through other channels (I placed the order in the 1st week of October!), but the fact they said it was 'no longer available' really surprised me! Is this true??? Why did it go out of print so fast, if this is indeed the case? Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 383 Re: _World Without Rules_--already out of print? Mark Filipak Fri 1/24/1997 4 KB 388 Re: _World Without Rules_--already out of print? David Datta Fri 1/24/1997 2 KB 389 Re: _World Without Rules_--already out of print? Mark Filipak Fri 1/24/1997 2 KB 410 Re: _World Without Rules_--already out of print? David Datta Fri 1/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 9:49 pm Subject: Re: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: florin epure > > > > Really-From: feldon@n... > > > > > > I should have clarified. The :45 second intro by itself is good, and the > > song they performed live was good, but he should have re-mastered > the whole > > song not just :45 sec's. It *would* be interesting for him to do it in the > > dreamy style (no pun!). I mean, converting a almost rockish tune into > a > > dreamy... well, you know what I mean. > > > > Morgan > > >Oh but he did! Listen to the two back to back. Besides having a very > >different soundstage (hope this is the appropriate term here), the > >Tangents version has at least 3 patches not in the original. > > >Gabe > > I have to contradict you Gabe on this one - for me it seems it just mixed > 45 sec intro to the original Dominion track - the live background also > suggests it. By my opinion I didn't like the 45 sec intro - not that it didn't > sound good - but it just does not link to the original '82 sound. > And you can see this all around tangents. I didn't say that it wasn't the original track--you can indeed hear the audience cheering right after the new intro--but all the Logos excerpts--'Dominion' included--have been 're-equalized', you can hear the difference: the bass and drums are very low and distant-sounding on the original, whereas on _Tangents_ they are much 'crispier' and up-front. In addition, new sounds have been added in--very subtly on the 'Velvet Part', but on 'Red Part' there is a new brass melody, and the 'ka-konk-konk' bass (don't you just love these incredible descriptions of the sound?), which becomes very 'buzzy' as the original progresses, has been cleaned up. The exception is 'Blue Part' which is a from-scratch re-working of that section. Yes, the new intro may not have much in common with the '82 sound, but 'Dominion' needs all the help it can get :P. > I would love to see all first four td cd's - re-arranged with modern > technology - (but I don't think this will happen.) I think they would sound > just fantastic. Edgar *could* be reading this Florin! > Florin. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 23, 1997 11:28 pm Subject: Re: _World Without Rules_--already out of print? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > I got a message about 1 1/2 weeks ago from HMV--they said the Paul > Haslinger album I ordered (_WWR_) was no longer available! > > Of course, by that point, I had already gotten it through other channels > (I placed the order in the 1st week of October!), but the fact they said > it was 'no longer available' really surprised me! Is this true??? Why > did it go out of print so fast, if this is indeed the case? > > Gabe > Anybody who wants me to get it for them and send it? I will. Better yet, get me one of them Virgin TAND 5, remasters of 'Phaedra' and I'll just trade you. WWR is in cutouts. I guess that means it's out of print, whatever that means. I think out of print means different things to different people, but to me it means they have no plans for further production runs. I don't know how many are in a production run -- low thousands? Personally, I think getting put in the 'New Age' bin is getting to be the kiss of death. It's amusing to see what is happening. Roach is beginning to 'migrate' from the 'New Age' bin to the 'Techno-Ambient' bin. I recently saw Ultramarine on Warner in the techno bin at $25 for a single CD which, I'm sorry to see, means the 'majors' have discovered techno -- it's gone main stream. Disclaimer: I happen to like Ultramarine (I have 3 of their albums), but they are fairly straight British pop, not techno, IMHO. I suspect that in 6 months, anything with samples is going to be called 'techno.' I saw all this happen in the early 80s as the electronic-progressive end of rock'n'roll emptied out and became new age. Just my two cents. Over to the man up in the booth. Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 12:45 am Subject: D: Tangram Really-From: Paul Edwards Tangram was my first ever TD purchase, and, I believe, itr's one of their top four or five albums. I agree with most of the comments here, and would go as far as to say that Tangram Part 1 is *almost* quintessential TD. It's complex, yet accessible, varied, yet nicely repetitive. A solid 4AS, very nearly a five And it also make a great aid for teaching children how to multiply. I used it once in a class that I taught as a student teacher -- one young lad had never understood multiplication properly. He was also a very good young flautist, and I played him the first couple of minutes of Tangram Part 1, you know the bit with the kind of pan flute sound arpeggio. Anyway, the upshot of it is that they kind of overlay, one playing three notes, the other playing four, and they get back 'in phase' after twelve notes (3*4). After having a bit of a listen to Tangram, this young guy (Brian or Bryce or something like that) had no more problems with multiplication, even stuff beyond the standard 12 times tables; he thought of the numbers musically. If anyone's interested, this stuff is tied up theoretically with Howard Gardner's Multiple Intelligence Theory in the book 'Frames of Mind', and to a lesser extent with Sternberg's Triarchic Theory of Intelligence. There's my anecdote for the week ;-) Oh, the other thing is that I would have no hesitation in recommending Tangram to a fan of the 'old' TD, a fan of the 'new' TD, or a non fan of TD. It's about the only TD album that I own that can be recommended in this way (I've found that Logos is too long for some people, Force Majeure scares people, and a lot of people simply don't 'get' Ricochet, in the same way that a lot of people don't 'get' Oldfield's AMAROK). Cheers, Paul -- Paul Edwards * IT Consultant * email: p.edwards@i... Services Delivery, ITS * Phone: +61 3 934 44624 The University of Melbourne * Fax: +61 3 9347 4803 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled -- Plutarch Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 406 D: Tangram Armin Theissen Fri 1/24/1997 3 KB 420 Re: D: Tangram gg Fri 1/24/1997 2 KB 428 D: Tangram Carlos Alberto Martinez Salas Fri 1/24/1997 3 KB 448 D: Tangram Boneheads1@a... Sat 1/25/1997 3 KB 461 Re: D: Tangram PhilPDX@a... Sun 1/26/1997 2 KB 20062 D: Tangram Marcel Engels Thu 12/30/1999 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 12:25 am Subject: Re: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question Really-From: feldon@n... At 02:44 PM 1/23/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: florin epure >> Really-From: feldon@n... >>It *would* be interesting for him to do it in the >> dreamy style (no pun!). I mean, converting a almost rockish tune into >a >> dreamy... well, you know what I mean. > >>Oh but he did! Listen to the two back to back. Besides having a very >>different soundstage (hope this is the appropriate term here), the >>Tangents version has at least 3 patches not in the original. > >>Gabe > >I have to contradict you Gabe on this one - for me it seems it just mixed >45 sec intro to the original Dominion track - the live background also >suggests it. By my opinion I didn't like the 45 sec intro - not that it didn't >sound good - but it just does not link to the original '82 sound. Yeah, if you listen to Logos:Dominion on Tangents, the first :45 secs are a dreamy intro and from what my ears are telling me, he took the live concert footage and just laid a couple of soft sinewave notes on top of it. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 12:45 am Subject: Re: Logos:Dominion on Tangents Question Really-From: feldon@n... At 04:49 PM 1/23/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > >On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > >> Really-From: florin epure >> >> > Really-From: feldon@n... >> > >> I have to contradict you Gabe on this one - for me it seems it just mixed >> 45 sec intro to the original Dominion track - the live background also >> suggests it. By my opinion I didn't like the 45 sec intro - not that it didn't >> sound good - but it just does not link to the original '82 sound. >> And you can see this all around tangents. > >I didn't say that it wasn't the original track--you can indeed hear the >audience cheering right after the new intro--but all the Logos >excerpts--'Dominion' included--have been 're-equalized', (snip...) Sorry for dragging this thread out... Actually, everything on Tangents has been re-equalized to the point that it's noticably better and yes, there's lots of LITTLE add-ons such as bass thickening and sinewaves. The same thing about Dream Roots. My Relativity CD of Tyger makes me think that TD recorded it onto an LP and played it for 2 years straight before putting it on CD. I was just thinking about this thought today: 'The biggest accomplishement in Tangents and Dream Roots may not be the re-done songs, but the cleaning up of songs and preserving them without having had reperform them...' >Yes, the new intro may not have much in common with the '82 sound, but >'Dominion' needs all the help it can get :P. Well... (with a smirk and downward look) Dominion, Central Park, Vigour, and the last track on Turn of the Tides just come out of no-where when TD will has their rock music days... Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 1:05 am Subject: Private Music is no more. Really-From: David Datta Yes folks, it is real. Private Music is no more. Right now, Windham Hill owns the catalog. -Dave Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 393 Re: Private Music is no more. sean Fri 1/24/1997 2 KB 405 Re: Private Music is no more. Vic Rek Fri 1/24/1997 2 KB 412 Re: Private Music is no more. TWeibre361@a... Fri 1/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 2:09 am Subject: Re: _World Without Rules_--already out of print? Really-From: David Datta In article <5c8r0f$eiv$1@n...> you wrote: : Really-From: Gabe Yedid : I got a message about 1 1/2 weeks ago from HMV--they said the Paul : Haslinger album I ordered (_WWR_) was no longer available! The album is most certainly not out of print. Sounds like someone at HMV didn't really want to make a phone call. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 2:34 am Subject: Re: _World Without Rules_--already out of print? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: David Datta > > In article <5c8r0f$eiv$1@n...> you wrote: > : Really-From: Gabe Yedid > : I got a message about 1 1/2 weeks ago from HMV--they said the Paul > : Haslinger album I ordered (_WWR_) was no longer available! > > The album is most certainly not out of print. Sounds like someone at > HMV didn't really want to make a phone call. Dave, I've seen this album in cutouts. To the best of _my_ knowledge, that doesn't happen to albums until they go out of print. What makes you think WWR is current production? Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 10:21 am Subject: Re: D:Tangram Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready) On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:00:57 -0500 (EST), Vic wrote: >This is a great release even though disliked by some fans I know. I bought >it right when it came out and I still never get tired of it. Really? My impression is that it is one of the few 'universally liked' albums, as seems to be the case with 'Ricochet'. >This is what electronic music is all about! One of the last albums with full-side pieces, and definitely one of their best. It's a very 'clean' sounding album, hinting a lot at the sound direction TD was about to take ... and that detracts just enough from it for me to give it a 4AS (but a HIGH 4AS...). Definitely a 'must have' TD album. -Steve sbm@p... Sacramento, CA From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 3:01 am Subject: FAQ Contest: reply Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all. All of the questions and speculations regarding the contest I held have been amusing, if a little puzzling. I honestly expected far more than the _4_ entries that I received! And while I'm here, let me clear up some of the confusion that is evident in some of the posts: 1) Since the content of the FAQ was live albums officially released by TD, I assumed that everyone would naturally understand the _context_ of the question; i.e: only material performed live (or so stated) and officially released qualified. 2) Quinoa is not live; 'live' being defined as a performance in front of an audience. The Cave is the name of TD's Berlin Studio. Yes, they may have performed it 'live' in the studio, but this doesn't count as a performance. 3) The nature of digital information transfer, especially as regards anything connected to the web, can be construed in certain instances as a publication for copyright purposes. The Shepards Bush show was 'published' on the web, made available to a worldwide audience, and is still a file accessable for download. Therefore, the Webcast of the Shepards Bush show, in this context, is an official release. A radio broadcast, however, reaches a narrow regional audience, and is intended for a single broadcast only, with no repeat availablity from the station. This then precludes any of the radio shows mentioned. 4) The individual track, 'Ozillator Planet Concert' was part of a multi-artist compilation, not a full live album release by TD. Therefore, it doesn't meet the criteria for inclusion (see 1) Same for _Electronic Meditation_; it doesn't meet the criteria! And specifically to Francisco: the _best_ solution to _my_ contest is the one given! ; ) Put simply; My contest, my rules! ; ) I hope this ends the debate. Judging from the response, maybe I'll rethink my plan to have a contest at the end of every monthly FAQ. goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 392 Re: FAQ Contest: reply Mark Filipak Fri 1/24/1997 3 KB 394 Re: FAQ Contest: reply Francisco Salgado C. Fri 1/24/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 4:36 am Subject: Re: FAQ Contest: reply Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > > Greetings all. > > All of the questions and speculations regarding the contest I held have > been amusing, if a little puzzling. I honestly expected far more than > the _4_ entries that I received! And while I'm here, let me clear up > some of the confusion that is evident in some of the posts: -snip- > I hope this ends the debate. Judging from the response, maybe I'll > rethink my plan to have a contest at the end of every monthly FAQ. > > goozer Hi Goozer (if seems all the mail to you has been address to Hermes, but you sign 'Goozer' so until further notice, it's Goozer to me), I hope you don't get too bummed out by this. I for one had fun reading the debate and I learned a lot. As far as the contest was concerned, it was 'no contest' for me -- I didn't even understand the question. Why don't you skip the prize angle, simplifiy the questions to more common stuff -- hard but not so f#*kin obscure -- and try again. A few days ago I proposed a 'music courier service' consisting of people who have rare stuff, like original fantapes, boots et cetera ('customers') and people we know and trust who travel a bit on a regular basis, especially to Europe and back ('couriers'). I've had zero response from the people who I thought would be all for it. I've had a handful of responses from list-lurkers. Do you have any idea why no response from the 'core' folk? Cheer up and be happy :-) Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 6:06 am Subject: Re: Private Music is no more. Really-From: sean > Windham Hill owns the catalog. The horror....the horror.... Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 9:22 am Subject: Re: FAQ Contest: reply Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > > Greetings all. > > All of the questions and speculations regarding the contest I held have > been amusing, if a little puzzling. I honestly expected far more than the > _4_ entries that I received! And while I'm here, let me clear up some of > the confusion that is evident in some of the posts: Yes, that was the porpouse of my postings, and, as well, to raise questions and answers. > 1) Since the content of the FAQ was live albums officially released by TD, > I assumed that everyone would naturally understand the _context_ of the > question; i.e: only material performed live (or so stated) and officially > released qualified. That was clear for me. > 2) Quinoa is not live; 'live' being defined as a performance in front of an > audience. The Cave is the name of TD's Berlin Studio. Yes, they may have > performed it 'live' in the studio, but this doesn't count as a performance. well, then I was confused on this point, since 'The cave' I thought it was the meeting place of TD fan club. so my mistake. > on the web, made available to a worldwide audience, and is still a file > accessable for download. Therefore, the Webcast of the Shepards Bush show, > in this context, is an official release. Yes, this may account for an official 'release', except for the questiosn of 'publishing'; I mean, I though it was 'cast' (no right for the listener to copy it on a permanent media, even more, Streamworks doesn't allow to save it to hard disk - please correct me if I am wrong) as opposed to 'publish' > A radio broadcast, however, reaches a narrow regional audience, and is > intended for a single broadcast only, with no repeat availablity from the > station. This then precludes any of the radio shows mentioned. I was mentioning broadcast as similar as webcast. I agree, it's not an official release. > And specifically to Francisco: the _best_ solution to _my_ contest is the > one given! ; ) Put simply; My contest, my rules! ; ) That was clear from the begining, Hermes. I was trying to raise questions and answers only. > I hope this ends the debate. Judging from the response, maybe I'll rethink > my plan to have a contest at the end of every monthly FAQ. I don't know wy you have taken this discussion as negative. regards -- Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 9:46 am Subject: electronic music festival with AIR SCULPTURE, VIDNA OBMANA, BOOTS etc. Really-From: 'Snelders, Eric' On SATURDAY MARCH 1, 1997 the 4th alfa centauri electronic music festival will be held in THEATRE 3-in-1 HUIZEN the NETHERLANDS with concerts of AIR SCULPTURE, VIDNA OBMANA, MIND OVER MATTER, RON BOOTS& FRIENDS, ELEKTRONISCHE MASCHINE, FRIENDS of alfa-centauri and lots of DEMO's: Modular moog demo/concert, digital sampling, lots of equipment, books, magazines, and of course a CD/cassette/record market with famous/less famous artists, presentations of interestgroups and fanclubs video program, trade exchange, etc. TICKETS cost f 22,50 (reservation period ends at 15th of FEBruary) TICKETS at box office f 27,50 theatre opens at 12.00 am, and closes just around midnight don't miss this 12 hour (!) event reserve your tickets by sending cash or eurocheque to STICHTING ALFA-CENTAURI PO BOX 1131 NL-1271 BC HUIZEN the NETHERLANDS or Email Eric.Snelders@d..., or phone (+31) (0) 35-5265635 / 5267679 We send you ROUTE and HOTEL information on request ! See you at the 4th ALFA CENTAURI ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL on MARCH 1 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 4:03 pm Subject: Re: D:Tangram Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready) > > On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:00:57 -0500 (EST), Vic wrote: > > >This is a great release even though disliked by some fans I know. I bought > >it right when it came out and I still never get tired of it. > > Really? My impression is that it is one of the few 'universally liked' > albums, as seems to be the case with 'Ricochet'. > Sorry, Steve, but I'm one of those that doesn't really rate Tangram at all. I haven't been able to particpate in the discussion too much because I sold Tangram about eighteen months ago and haven't bought it again yet (I'll buy the SBM eventually). > >This is what electronic music is all about! > > One of the last albums with full-side pieces, and definitely one of > their best. It's a very 'clean' sounding album, hinting a lot at the > sound direction TD was about to take ... and that detracts just enough > from it for me to give it a 4AS (but a HIGH 4AS...). > > Definitely a 'must have' TD album. > But not necessarily a 'must keep once you have it' album. 8-) --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 4:31 pm Subject: jerome on stratosfear Really-From: Armin Theissen (stratosfear) >for this cover? Regardless, the unearthly landscape depicted on >the cover fits perfectly with the music. My favorite TD artwork. >(But where is Jerome?) > >MWood > > I've got Stratosfear on Vinyl, big cover, foldable. And there is Jerome inside. Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 409 Re: jerome on stratosfear Plumer, Scott Fri 1/24/1997 2 KB 421 Re: jerome on stratosfear Dennis Nigbur Fri 1/24/1997 2 KB 430 Re: jerome on stratosfear Thomas Fanger Sat 1/25/1997 2 KB 442 Re: jerome on stratosfear gerryfox Sat 1/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 4:39 pm Subject: D: Stratosfear Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' *** Standard Disclaimer Applies : All My Own Opinion *** A bit late (I haven't done many of the last few albums) but I thought I'd pass on some thoughts regarding this landmark album. In its own way, this always strikes me as a large step for TD - a move away from the 'rambling', gurgling form of Phaedra, Rubycon and Ricochet toward a more 'musical' form. We seem to be back to recognisable instruments again, from the opening strums of the title track to the surprise appearance of the harmonica in 3am ... In retrospect it's easy to take this as another small step in greatness for TD, but I often wonder at the reaction of the die-hard fans of the day. There's no slow-changing warblings here. It sounds a lot 'crisper' and appears to move with more purpose than previous efforts. I like this album a lot. The title track and Invisible Limits are certainly favourites, and I believe they stand up as some of the best work TD ever produced. A solid 4AS. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 4:51 pm Subject: pink year remixes Really-From: Armin Theissen > >On the other hand - speaking of 5 cd sets - I liked the re-masters on >Dream roots of tracks like Journey through a burning brain,etc > >I would love to see all first four td cd's - re-arranged with modern >technology - (but I don't think this will happen.) I think they would sound >just fantastic. > >Florin. > > matter of taste. I think that the 're-arranged' pink years stuff does not work at all. You cannot speak of rearrangement anyway, since all Froese did was playing some boring chords with some 'spherical' sound while the original was running in the background. And it does not work, musically. This is like eating something salty next to something sweet. It does not mix. I assume that these pink years remixes are just about to make them sell better. Todays listeners are not brave enough to take the effort, or better: to take the *time* to dive into something like Zeit. I mean: *I* could even have done these pink year remixes. It sounds like I put those nice old pink years records on the turntable, and play completely bored on a keyboard. (all of course IMVHO) Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 424 Re: pink year remixes Marcel Engels Fri 1/24/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 11:05 am Subject: Tangram Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> >Oh, the other thing is that I would have no hesitation in recommending >Tangram to a fan of the 'old' TD, a fan of the 'new' TD, or a non fan of >TD. It's about the only TD album that I own that can be recommended in >this way (I've found that Logos is too long for some people, Force Majeure >scares people, and a lot of people simply don't 'get' Ricochet Paul, your are right on!!! A real-life example: I had totally and entirely given up hope that my wife (who is from Central America, thus a totally different cultural background) would ever be able to appreciate TD. Knowing her musical taste (Salsa and Soft Latino-Pop), I already prefer to listen to much of 'my' music over headphones, but on a few occasions, TD was actually on my stereo when she was there...I recall her disgust at Dream Mixes 'What is that techno stuff?' or Ricochet 'Sounds so annoying and monotonous'. But, low and behold, only a few weeks ago on a snowy winter afternoon, I just absolutely *had* to listen to Tangram...loud! And to my amazement, after the last notes of the album faded, she actually asked me: 'So, who was that? Really, that was your Tangerine Dream? Hmm....I guess they don't play that bad (sic)...Actually I liked it, do they have more music that sounds like that?' YES!!! There is hope after all! Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! 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