From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 12:54 pm Subject: Re: Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready) On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:20:31 GMT, Maxwell wrote: >Hey Dream boys and girls of course (if there are any), >So what's the average age of people subscribed to this list and where >are most of you from? Well, I know that this profile thing happened in the not-too-distant past ... but I also know that there's a lot of 'new' folks on the list these days... Anyway, in brief: I'm 26, live in Sacramento, CA, pay the bills by having more patience with computers & technology than most folks. Occasionally I think I'd like to get a nice synth and make music, but always realize that I don't have the time or dedication to be any good at it. -Steve sbm@p... Sacramento, CA Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 858 Re: Saa Sekuliĉ/Sasha Sekulich Thu 2/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 6:44 am Subject: Logos 88 Really-From: feldon@n... I have unbelievably limited MIDI resources and have a $100 keyboard than can handle 2 tracks of MIDI. With that aside, I am still in the process of trying to duplicate as much of Logos Blue Part 88 as possible. Anyone who is interested in the MIDI file, please let me know by private e-mail (feldon@n...). Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 7:45 am Subject: Froese and Dali Really-From: Jeroen Geerts ** High Priority ** Yesterday a Dutch Newspaper had a small article about our beloved ones. In the article Edgar stated that he 'moved in' a little while at Dali's place. Does anyone know about this. I wondered if Dali might have influenced Froese in his musical developement ? If anyone is interested in the article I can translate it. Ciao Jeroen Geerts Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 804 Re: Froese and Dali feldon@n... Wed 2/12/1997 2 KB 808 Re: Froese and Dali Plumer, Scott Wed 2/12/1997 2 KB 840 Re: Froese and Dali Phillip R. Naunton Thu 2/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 10:17 am Subject: Re: Froese and Dali Really-From: feldon@n... At 08:45 AM 2/12/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: Jeroen Geerts > >** High Priority ** You sure? >Yesterday a Dutch Newspaper had a small article >about our beloved ones. In the article Edgar stated >that he 'moved in' a little while at Dali's place. All accounts I've heard said that he spent about 6 months learning from Dali. >Does anyone know about this. >I wondered if Dali might have influenced Froese in his >musical developement ? There's no question in my mind that Dali had a LOT to do with TD's impressions. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 11:01 am Subject: Re: Bands in TD Tradition Revised Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >If you are interested in TD-related/influenced material please feel free to >check out some of our 'MIND-FLUX' stuff. >We try to combine our early mid 70's influences like TD, Schulze, Kraftwerk (to >name but a few) with hypnotic beat structures. >Maybe some of you like it. For more information have a look at >http://www.snafu.de/~borism/mindflux/index.html Indeed, as someone who owns the Mind~Flux album 'Trancefloor' (and I am not related to this band in any way) I can HIGHLY recommend their music to TD fans. I discovered this gem when it got some local airplay in 1995 and it has been one of my favourite albums of that year. Full of analog synths, loads of Franke-like sequencers and a very modern trance-like beat. This album is a very good example of how the ideas of early TD experiments can be brought forward into the nineties, without arriving at boring techno music. If you are familiar with SYNCO and/or Lambert, you already have an idea of the general sound used also by this band. Add a touch of 'Dream Mixes' - type of hypnotic beat and you get close to what Mind-Flux is doing. Definititely an album in the 'Berlin School' tradition of electronic music! BTW, I ordered my copy of 'Trancefloor' through www.cdeurope.com, so it is available as import in the US. To Thomas: Thanks for this wonderful album. It was a nice suprise to see your posting and that you are here on the tadream list. Good to see that you have more releases out now, and that you put some sound samples on the Web. I will make sure to check out your newer releases. Hilmar PS: Thomas, you should check your emailer: it is sending some large binary blurb after every one of your mails, which is annoying. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 11:38 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #832 Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:12:31 -0800 >Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons >Really-From: Mark Filipak >> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >- -snip- >> ... In other words, some folks are content to live in the past, and for them >> is classic rock radio, with its never-ending doses of ... that annoying >> Peter Frampton song whose title escapes me at the moment (wait! >> They're ALL annoying!). >Hey Scott. I still like 'Frampton Comes Alive'...-- Leasure Suit Mark... Oooh Baby I love your way Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 815 Re: tadream-digest V15 #832 Michael A Jean Wed 2/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 12:09 pm Subject: The Orb Really-From: John Wilson Well, I've only heard Toxygene once, and I thought it was The Orb getting on with what they do best... I don't really like Jarre's music anyway (it always seems overblown and adolescent to me). I _am_ looking forward to hearing ``Towards the evening star'' and The Orb's new album (``Orblivion') whenever they appear. On a related note, I have been listening to the Orb's live album from a few years back (``Orb Live/Bro Evil'') and I am convinced I can hear TD samples in there. I'd have to listen agaihn (carefully!) to tell you where they were, but I am pretty sure there was the harmonica from ``3am...'' on ``Little Fluffy Clouds'' and then a sequencer pattern from Rubycon or Stratosfear making an entrance in another track. Anyone else got this one? John W. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 1:16 pm Subject: RE: Froese and Dali Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Yesterday a Dutch Newspaper had a small article >about our beloved ones. In the article Edgar stated >that he 'moved in' a little while at Dali's place. I've also read that early incarnations of TD played at Dali's 'art happenings,' which were sort of like performance art without an audience. >Does anyone know about this. >I wondered if Dali might have influenced Froese in his >musical developement ? Most definitely. Dali abandoned the conventional tools of art, Froese & Co. abandoned the conventional tools of music. >If anyone is interested in the article I can translate it. Please do. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 2:11 pm Subject: Really-From: 'Eduardo Nava. 91(84) 16-80-20. Saltillo. Mexico.' unsubscribe tadream enava@m... unsubscribe tadream-digest enava@m... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 2:19 pm Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) >Really-From: Tony Marshall >At 02:02 10/02/97 -0600, you wrote: >>It picked up Tubular Bells (which seems to be a classic), >>Incantations, and Crisis. Tubular Bells is really good, >>but my favorite of the 3 has to be Incantations. It was >>originally released as a 2lp set with 4 songs. To compare it >>to a TD piece, I would have to say Force Majeure. It >>is not as raw or 'in-your-face' as FM, but there are electric >>guitars and some good drumming in there. The only vocals >>are some choral arrangements - which add a really nice touch. >Well, just to throw a spanner in the works, my favourite TD album is Force >Majeure, and just about my least favourite Oldfield one is Incantations! 4 >almost identical tracks = monotony, made worse by the fact that the >composition itself isn't too hot.. I agree that the studio version of Incantations drags on a bit but I really like the live version (shortened to 2 tracks/sides) on the album Exposed. In fact, if I were forced to choose between the two, I would only listen to the live version. And as long as we're talking about monotony, this is how I describe the first three tracks of Klaus Schulze's Audentity. Boring with a capital B. They probably could've been condensed down to one ~20 minute track. But then he gives us the fourth track, 'Sebastian Im Traum', which I find absolutely brilliant. What a strange contrast. >>Just wanted to see if anyone out there agrees with my >>assessment or has anything to add for those who are in >>search of other TD like bands/artists. If there are any >>fans of Oldfield's, I would be interested in finding out >>about some of his other CD's. He's got a pile of them out. >Everyone raves about Songs of Distant Earth, but it's not one of his >classics IMHO (very Enigma/Deep Forest, which probably explains its >popularity with newcomers to Oldfield). You must pick up Tubular Bells 2 - >VERY reminiscent of the original.. Hergest Ridge has the same feel as the >original TB, but is not quite as good (though the second half of the second >track is brilliant). For something rather weird, but good, try Amarok. >Fantastic recording quality - one to show off that hi-fi! My turn to 'throw a spanner in the works.' 8) I've been listening to Oldfield since shortly after Tubular Bells was released. I even had a quadrophonic 8-track copy of it at one time. (Sheesh, I guess I'm dating myself here!) You are correct that Songs of Distant Earth has a definite Enigma/Deep Forest feel to it but, having listened to both Enigma and Deep Forest albums, I get bored with them easily while I continue to enjoy SoDE. And for the record, I do enjoy Amarok and, if asked to categorize it, I would place it in the same general grouping as Schmoelling's White Out (another fave of mine.) I'm so glad Oldfield got out from under the thumb of Virgin records. The 'pop' stuff he put out during the latter period of his contract with Virgin was largely forgettable, IMHO. TBII was a breath of fresh air without simply being a rehash of the original. I have heard that he has a new album out now called Voyager, although it does not appear to be distributed here in the US. Do you have any info on it? Regards, Erik Sanborn esanborn@B... >Tony Marshall |#include Cheltenham, England |Mode.Gordon Giltrap.Ashra.Jarre.Pet Shop Boys.Oasis >tonym@z...|Kraftwerk.Pink Floyd.Penguin Cafe.Trance/Goa stuff > >----------------------|--------------------------------------------------- >My Mystery Tune Page http://www.personal.u-net.com/~zigzag Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 856 Re: Mike Oldfield Saa Sekuliĉ/Sasha Sekulich Thu 2/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 2:23 pm Subject: d:3OCH;TOTT;Tyger & TOB Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) ****warning, long post***** (but it's all TD!) Where has the d:list been since Tangram? I though we were all going to have some knock-down drag outs about TOTT and Tyger. C'mon guys and gals have at it! Here are my entries: d: 3 O'Clock High 1AS The main reason this cd gets such a crappy AS rating is that so little of the cd is by TD anyway (tracks 1-5 & 11-20) and the rest is certainly not like Risky Business where the other tracks are by top rank rock bands/individuals. It can't even by rated by the track. Of the 15 tracks by td (of 22 tracks total), tracks 1-4 are between :25 and :55 seconds each--little more than bridge music if not interesting bridge music; track 5 is a double looped segment from Love on a Real Train. Tracks 11-20 range between :40 and 2:10 --short even by the seattle years standard track length! (Of course TD isn't to blame for this but Varese Saraband, at least that is what I assume; but then again if it weren't for VS I wouldn't have this great [and that it is] bridge music to look forward too! Thank God I have a programmable cd player otherwise I never could have reviewed this album.) For what it's worth, I recently found a used vinyl copy of this release (I had never seen one previously). As for the movie itself, well, it is another B-grade flick about a standing up to the school bully that really isn't worth anymore space on this digest. If you haven't seen it, it's something to watch once. The Highlight of this release is the guitar(?) on track 12 'buying paper like it's going out of style' and track 16 'You'll never believe it' both of which--should they have been developed into real pieces for a TD release of this album would be considered true TD classics. And of course the LOART redux on tracks 5 & 15. ------------------------------------------------ D:TOTT 4AS This release has gotten some bad PR on the list in the past year. Yet I find that the more I listen to it the more I like it. At first I was rather disappointed--owing largely to the disappointing first track 'pictures at an exhibition' as I was never a fan of Mussorgsky; Impressionist music about impressionist paintings, yuk!!!!!!!!! I was also off put somewhat by liner text which says it was excerpted from 'The coachman's tales' 1993 by edgar froese. Has anyone read this book? Is it really this bad? Look, Edgar no offense intended, I'm sorry but your literary abilities come no where close to your musical talents; this is, well, pretty transparent stuff--but that is totally IMOHO. When one reads the liner text and listens to Pictures at an exhibition, with the horse and carriage noises, etc. one gets the idea that this is to be a 'concept' album or a soundtrack to this book. Well, thankfully, that idea seems to have been nixed after track one. Track two is where the real TOTT begins (as a rule I skip track one completely). by the track: P@A... 1as nothing more to say! except please don't do it again! Firetongues, aka 'a tribute to segovia' 5as this is some really excellent guitar work by Zlatko why-aren't-you-still- in-TD-or-were-your-guitar-skills-too-much-competition-for-edgar-and-jerome Perica. This is in fact a classic track from the 'new TD' and one of my favs. OK before you all burn me for liking this stuff, let me just say tooooo bad! I love it! I also love the virgin years too! In fact I like just about all of TD. this is definitely the best track on the album and one of the best from the seattle years! Galley Slave's Horizon 3as with its relentless beat invoking the roman galley master's rhythmic pounding, mixed with zlatko's great guitar this is another really good piece. Unfortunately this drops off after the first 2 minutes and doesn't pick up until after the 5 minute mark and albeit significanly mutated; still, ZP's guitar saves the day. With all this talk about edgar and other guitarists, some of you true guitar connoisseurs will probably upbraid me about my appreciation of ZP but I have to say that I judge 'good' guitar by its emotive effects; that is, how it engages me. If it succeeds in engaging me then I say it's good guitar; if not, it gets the 'pollice verso' (thumbs down). I absolutely agree with Edgar that the guitar is a most emotive instrument. Death of a Nightingale 3as this is a slow, dreamy piece with linda spa sax. it isn't too bad but doesn't do a whole lot for me. it sounds a little rockoon-220VL-ish. Twilight Brigade 3as Again, it starts a little rockoon-220VL-ish. I can see why some of you melrose/seattle-years detractors don't like this cd. still I think there is some good guitar work here. I see this as the companion piece to DOAN except that ZP gets to carry the piece with his albeit sparing guitar whereas in DOAN Linda's sax 'carried' the piece. With 9:45 I expect a lot but things don't begin to happen until about 5:50 into the track--this is when it gets good; sadly, however, it is not enough to really save this piece from 'mediocrity with sequins' In the end I have real mixed feelings, some of this track is definitely 4as but much of it is just 3as. Jungle journey 3as a decent track but definitely saved by the guitars! this time it is EF and JF in the lead and zp on rhythm. still not enough development for me and a little too repeititititious Midwinter night 3as She's back! I must say that I do think Linda does a good job on the sax but it all starts to sound the same after a while.... still, all in all, not a bad track. I guess this is the requisite 'love song' of the melrose & seattle years (some of you will, of course, say 'the requisite Kenny g tune tott 4as the title track; the 3rd longest on the cd so I should be able to expect something more, right? well, only partly so. it starts ok, we get ZP's guitar and the promise of a great track but then around 5:00, we shift in sax gear. At least it is only a segue to the vocal part which I really do like and which is a great 'closer' for this album. cd-5 bonus track: story of the brave 3as I have mixed feelings about this. I know some of you really love it but it doesn't seem to grab me in the way that the other tracks do. ------------------------------------------------ D: Tyger 4AS This cd really got me re-interested in history, literature and art. When I put it on, I was totally floored. I didn't know what to think, I mean, the cover said this was TD! But then I realized it wasn't so bad, in fact, it was kind of good. I started to listen to the lyrics figuring I could understand something about Edgar & co. by understanding what they selected and how they presented it. I got some books on William Blake and read up on him. I really liked some of his stuff (although some was really out there). I discovered he was a self-styled mystic and 'prophet' (of course what the history books don't say is that he is but a late one in a very long tradition of christian mystics). He is really quite an interesting person and worth reading about; this sheds much more light on the imagery and symbolism in his work, like what he means by 'the lion and the wolf shall cease'. If you haven't read anymore of his work beside what is on the tyger liner notes, go to your local library and get some! Eventually, I'd have to say that this release may have one of a number of things that sent me along my current direction in life (seeking a ph.d in art history). when reviewing tyger, it is somewhat hard to separate the music from the words. That is, the music is, on one hand, really only background for the Jocelyn Smith's reading of the poetry. In that way, the music is to a large degree unremarkable (what I mean, is take away the lyrics and just listen to the music). On the other hand, there are those purely instrumental sections (the last half of london and all of AOTH) which are, I believe, impressions of blake's poetry and so very much in that vein. the lyrics really take center stage when they appear. But since we are ranking TD here and not WB that is confusing the matter. My rating is based on the cohesiveness of the final product: TD's choice of lyrics, the music supporting them, the instrumental sections and Jocelyn's recitation/reading/performance/singing of them. A question, is this the album where the harpsichord sample makes its first appearance in td? or at least first significant appearance? reviewing this album alongside TOTT and TOB was a real trip, you can really here the difference in sound quality, development etc..... as much as I like this album, I must admit that it is one that does not receive a lot of airplay on my stereo. perhaps I should rethink that decision. tyger 4as I love this track although, I think more for the lyrics than the music. london 4as this is a really great track, in both lyrics and the end instrumental section. the lyrics of this track are cut together, if memory serves me correctly, from at least 4 different poems and heavily edited to boot. I love the liminal or frame-breaking reference to the external reader: 'children of a future age / reading this indignant page / know that, in a former time, / love sweet love was thought a crime' it just reaches out of the text/cd and grabs the listener. after this is the extended bridge and then the cut from 'america.' 'The Fly' is my all-time favorite blake poem and makes a great quote for all of us: 'Am not I / A fly like thee? / Or art not thou / A man like me?' the closing music section contains some good guitar work and is quite good as a piece by itself. alchemy of the heart 3as the only really pure music track on the album (not counting the cd bonus tracks). my feelings are mixed about it. clearly it is an impression of blake and so ranges, like london, over quite a bit of material but does so not always coherently. Paul's piano makes a fine ending smile 4as another great mix of blake and td; this is real ambivalent poem but I don't think TD's music captures that aspect/sense of the words (although the music is quite good); for example, look at the first stanza: a smile of love and deceit and a smile where these two smiles meet--one must be male and one female (given the misogynist tone of the literature and culture of this period, I would guess that deceit refers to the female) and when they meet (a kiss, love, embrace), one comes in love and the other in deceit. finally my question to you all is this: to which smile is blake referring in the last 6 lines? birth?, death? or ??? anyone care to speculate? bonus tracks: 21st century common man part 1 3as not much to say, it really doesn't (IMOHO) go with the tone and feel of the album; but, taken by itself, really is a good track. I'm not sure whether the division of this track into 2 parts was accidental or whether it was intended to be one track (as DRC would suggest). Part 2 sounds distinctly different from part I as if it really were intended to be a separate track (and the guitar work here is really appreciated) did jerome have something to do with these tracks? or am I think of the canyon dreams bonus? vigour 3as Like 21st century common man, this track really doesn't seem to have anything to do with the concept of 'tyger' and/or william blake. it really stands alone as a separate piece. It is not bad but nothing spectacular. Still I'm glad they released these tracks rather than locking them up in some lawyer's vault in london. (since I don't have the original of this, I used that on DRC where one can really hear an amazing difference in engineering/production qualities) These bonus tracks sound so different I want to think they are from some 'lost' / never executed td album that was in the works soon after Tyger's conclusion (soon enough to appear on the cds) ------------------------------------------------ D: TOB 3AS Well, this is the release that sees the replacement of ZP with Gerald Gradwool and Mark Hornby. Why have just one guitarist when two can do the same thing with less competition for top booking? Would someone please give us the inside story on ZP's departure? there has been a lot of speculation on this list but what do we really know? is it 'artistic differences' (eg: a cat fight) or something else? Parts of this album seem like they have such great potential and other parts really sound great but why then does it seem so unremarkable to me after it has stopped playing? Some TD tracks and albums just live on forever in my mind--even after the 'real' music has stopped: but not so with TOB. In many ways for me it is 'that cd with stratosfear 95 on it' Like I mentioned before, this is the 'mountain peaks above the clouds' phenomenon: great bits shining through some mediocrity Catwalk 3as at 7:21 this should be more developed but alas. it is not. The best part starts with the tension change at 3:30 and with the entry of GG's acoustic guitar. This is when this track gets good. I must say that I do like GG and MH but I wish they had more 'presence' it seems like they are in someway subordinate to master jerome. This track comes close to having the potential to be a 4as but never comes close to being a 4as (does that make sense?) BWD 3as This starts out with promise and is one of the better tracks on the album; at 3:50 it starts to remind me of firetongues but can't really come close to it. Still, I love the guitar. eventually it settles in to a repeititititititious pattern and I get bored. LBITPOA 3as The title is a little off-putting; I don't know why but it just is. The sax is well the sax until the guitars come in after 2:00 and again after 4:00 (OK, I confess, I'm a guitar man but I also think the sax is great, I just don't think it is being used to its full potential here) LIAFP 2as reminds me of a tott recycle; some sax work and some decent guitar work; not much to say except that it is umm, uh, well, it is Stratosfear 95 5as undoubtedly the best track on the cd! And, in my mind, even better than the original (silence you hecklers!). Jerome, please redo cloudburst flight and Quichotte part 2! I love this track and it is definitely one of if not the best seattle years' track! BICT 3as not much to say, some good guitar but not enough HOF 2as nothing special imoho TOB 3as this starts as another ho-hum filler piece but then at 3:00 this great guitar shoots through the haze and rips open the clouds. suddenly I'm awake, wow where did this come from? please don't stop! 4:30 damn! you stopped largo 2as a cover of handel; damn; after P@A... on TOTT, I hoped I would never see another 'classical' tune redo but here it is. damn. oh well. at least here if fills in that requisite 'love song' closer; still it just doesn't tweek those tear glands the way ghazal and dreamtime do ... cd-5 bonus track: quasar 4as. this is, in my mind, a gem of a little track and it is too bad this promo single cd is so hard to find. Quasar is, in my mind one of the top tracks on the album. that's it, sorry for the long post! lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 814 Re: d:3OCH;TOTT;Tyger & TOB Brian_Kirby@p... Wed 2/12/1997 3 KB 820 Re: d:3OCH;TOTT;Tyger & TOB feldon@n... Wed 2/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 2:28 pm Subject: Re: Edgar's birthplace Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >This thread surfaced a couple weeks ago, but I finally got some >clarification on it. Ed was born in a town called Tilsit, East Prussia. >When the Soviet Union defeated the Germans in east Europe in WWII, they >took over a wedge-shaped hunk of land on the southern border of >Lithuania, between Poland and Lithuania, and called it part of Russia. >It's still technically a part of Russia, and ethnic Russians are the >dominant group there, but it's part of an ongoing dispute between >Lithuania and Russia. The current name of Tilsit is Sovetsk, or at least >it was in 1993. This information comes courtesy of one of my student >assistants, who is a Lithuanian national. Not wanting to beat a dead horse but... Is (or was) this wedge-shaped hunk of land referred to as Staliningrad Oblast (not Stalingrad)? I seem to recall seeing that name on an old map and wondering why this chunk of what appeared to be Russia was not attached to the rest of the country. Just curious. Erik Sanborn esanborn@B... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 4:06 pm Subject: RE: pushing the hot buttons Really-From: dalane@b... (Dave Lane) 'Plumer, Scott' wrote: > >I must offer a dissenting opinion. In the time I have been on the list, > >I can't help but think that TD has one of the most remarkably fickle fan > >bases anywhere, BECAUSE they keep experimenting. > > Well, we've covered this before, but I sincerely believe that the people > who moan for the old days are the same folks who still wear leisure > suits and disco pants. If wanting TD to be a band that didn't simply play back midi files while a hired Eddie Van Halen clone makes arena-rock squealy guitar noises, then count me in as one of those people who 'moan for the old days', but I have never worn a leisure suit or disco pants and I don't think that anyone else who listened to TD back then did either. Last time I checked the 70's part of the TD discography, there was nothing remotely resembling disco in it. As for the 90's, I can't say for certain, because after the very disappointing Lily On The Beach, I gave up buying TD albums unheard, and have since only picked up 200 Volt, Tangents and Book Of Dreams. > In other words, some folks are content to live in > the past, and for them is classic rock radio, with its never-ending > doses of Stairway to Heaven, Freebird and that annoying Peter Frampton > song whose title escapes me at the moment (wait! They're ALL annoying!). Baloney. I'd bet that 99% of the people who listen to '70-'88 TD don't like any of the above crap. I know I don't. I'm also not content to swallow trite instrumental pop just because it has the TD brand name on it. There's too much other good stuff out there. --Dave Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 857 Re: pushing the hot buttons Saa Sekuliĉ/Sasha Sekulich Thu 2/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 5:12 pm Subject: Re: d:3OCH;TOTT;Tyger & TOB Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) >D:TOTT 4AS >P@A... 1as >Firetongues, aka 'a tribute to segovia' 5as >Galley Slave's Horizon 3as >Death of a Nightingale 3as >Twilight Brigade 3as >Jungle journey 3as >Midwinter night 3as >tott 4as >story of the brave 3as Lars, I'm afraid you've got some explaining to do. According to your final ranking, Turn of the Tides gets a full 4AS. However, upon averaging your individual song scores, I returned a result of 3.11111111, which barely makes the 3+ register. So I'm a tad confused. Was it something about the packaging that gave it that extra bump (although you did mention that you weren't particularly fond of Edgar's 'book' excerpt)? Perhaps a picture of Linda clouded your rational thought processes? Maybe those sax songs touched you more than you'd care to admit? Or were you simply grading on a curve? With tongue in cheek, B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 5:15 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #832 Really-From: Michael A Jean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 6:06 pm Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: dalane@b... (Dave Lane) > > If wanting TD to be a band that didn't simply play back midi > files while a hired Eddie Van Halen clone makes arena-rock > squealy guitar noises, then count me in as one of those people > who 'moan for the old days', but I have never worn a leisure suit > or disco pants and I don't think that anyone else who listened to > TD back then did either. Last time I checked the 70's part of the TD > discography, there was nothing remotely resembling disco in it. As > for the 90's, I can't say for certain, because after the very > disappointing Lily On The Beach, I gave up buying TD albums unheard, > and have since only picked up 200 Volt, Tangents and Book Of Dreams. Dave, my man, I totally agree with you. I stopped buying new TD after Optical Race. Did buy 220 Volt/Three Phase, but other than that, I dislike new TD. Someone mentioned that he likes Stratosfear '95 better then the original, man what is he thinking of. > > In other words, some folks are content to live in > > the past, and for them is classic rock radio, with its never-ending > > doses of Stairway to Heaven, Freebird and that annoying Peter Frampton > > song whose title escapes me at the moment (wait! They're ALL annoying!). > > Baloney. I'd bet that 99% of the people who listen to '70-'88 TD don't > like any of the above crap. I know I don't. I'm also not content > to swallow trite instrumental pop just because it has the TD brand > name on it. There's too much other good stuff out there. Pure nonsense about Classic rock radio, I don't possess any of that music. As mentioned before in the list, try something from the up 'n' coming bands (mindflux, FSOL, Waveshape, FSP (i have to promote myself)). You'll find some gems there! Marcel Engels fsp@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 819 Re: pushing the hot buttons again feldon@n... Wed 2/12/1997 2 KB 828 Re: pushing the hot buttons again Gabe Yedid Thu 2/13/1997 4 KB 839 Re: pushing the hot buttons again Phillip R. Naunton Thu 2/13/1997 3 KB 841 Re: pushing the hot buttons again Craig R. J. Cordrey Thu 2/13/1997 5 KB 842 Re: pushing the hot buttons again Marcel Engels Thu 2/13/1997 2 KB 844 Re: pushing the hot buttons again Gabe Yedid Thu 2/13/1997 3 KB 850 Re: pushing the hot buttons again TWeibre361@a... Thu 2/13/1997 2 KB 852 Re: pushing the hot buttons again feldon@n... Thu 2/13/1997 2 KB 926 Re: pushing the hot buttons again PNaunton@a... Sun 2/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 6:17 pm Subject: Re: Pete Isaacson, 32. Born Southfield, Michigan (Kervorkian Country) Parental Units had sense enough to locate to Left Coast ~23 mi SE of LA in Hacienda Heights. I work Graveyard shift making Gallium Arsenide Solar Cells while studying Art at a local college and preparing a entry Portfolio for Art Center, Pasadena so I can hack Product Design. I got bitten by the TD bug in Spring/Summer of '81 Green Desert:TD's great 'lost' album. A haiku. Wow. Oh Wow. GD. Edgar guitar, Chris drum. Just turn down the lights. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 6:28 pm Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield Really-From: Dave Manning <106546.1474@c...> Voyager is Mikes attempt at Celtic rock ... sort of Clannad ... its nice and clever but really doesn't strike me as another great.... Songs from... is great, it can be played quietly while I'm working and is gentle, comforting and a good theme thoughout then play it loud the tracks really stand out ... lots of emotion ... its one of my favs others The lamb _ Genesis Secret World Live - P Gabriel Strange Angels - L Anderson Suzanne Vega - 1st album TB II Voice Vangelis Nude - Camel The Wall From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 8:11 pm Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: feldon@n... >Dave, my man, I totally agree with you. I stopped buying new TD after >Optical >Race. Did buy 220 Volt/Three Phase, but other than that, I dislike new TD. >Someone mentioned that he likes Stratosfear '95 better then the original, >man what is he thinking of. Me neither... >Marcel Engels >fsp@p... > Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 8:11 pm Subject: Re: d:3OCH;TOTT;Tyger & TOB Really-From: feldon@n... At 09:23 AM 2/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) > > >****warning, long post***** >(but it's all TD!) > >Where has the d:list been since Tangram? I though we were all going to have >some knock-down drag outs about TOTT and Tyger. C'mon guys and gals have at it! > >Here are my entries: (snip!) >D: Tyger 4AS > >This cd really got me re-interested in history, literature and art. When I >put it on, I was totally floored. I didn't know what to think, I mean, the >cover said this was TD! But then I realized it wasn't so bad, in fact, it >tyger 4as >I love this track although, I think more for the lyrics than the music. I am surprised that you didn't mention Tyger (jungle mystery song) from Dream Roots Collection. After listening to it, I realized that Tyger 87 just doesn't marry Jocelyn to the music, but the new Jungle Mystery version is great. I have dropped Tyger from 4as to 3as and put the alt. Tyger at 5as. My only complaint about it is they really over-do the chorus effect at the end with somewhere in the order of 4 or 5 overdubs of Jocelyn on top of eachother... >Tyranny of Beauty: >cd-5 bonus track: >quasar 4as. >this is, in my mind, a gem of a little track and it is too bad this promo >single cd is so hard to find. Quasar is, in my mind one of the top tracks >on the album. Where on earth can you get this? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 8:11 pm Subject: RE: pushing the hot buttons Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:06 AM 2/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: dalane@b... (Dave Lane) > > >'Plumer, Scott' wrote: > >> >I must offer a dissenting opinion. In the time I have been on the list, >> >I can't help but think that TD has one of the most remarkably fickle fan >> >bases anywhere, BECAUSE they keep experimenting. >> >> Well, we've covered this before, but I sincerely believe that the people >> who moan for the old days are the same folks who still wear leisure >> suits and disco pants. Frankly... (ego/superego kicks and shuts my sarcasm up---after all, I was 6 years old when Logos came out) >If wanting TD to be a band that didn't simply play back midi >files while a hired Eddie Van Halen clone makes arena-rock >squealy guitar noises, then count me in as one of those people >who 'moan for the old days', (a red Applause light is flashing on my screen...) >but I have never worn a leisure suit >or disco pants and I don't think that anyone else who listened to >TD back then did either. Last time I checked the 70's part of the TD >discography, there was nothing remotely resembling disco in it. As >for the 90's, I can't say for certain, because after the very >disappointing Lily On The Beach, Disappointing is a mild word to describe it. >I gave up buying TD albums unheard, >and have since only picked up 200 Volt, Tangents and Book Of Dreams. In my very humble opinion, the melrose years were a total disappointment. I have heard better MOD and MIDI files. I do appreciate 220 Volt, TOTT, Tangents (more than some people do!) and Book of Dreams (for making Electronic Meditation listenable among other things...) And yes, I agree with you that there's a big difference between dragging a Moog on stage and making it up as you go along as opposed to pressing play on the computer and if Edgar is in the mood, he plays on top of it. One of the things about Logos, Stratosphear, Encore, and Force Majeure (my four favorite CDs) is that there was that element that, hey, the audience will know if were not being serious and if we want to deviate from what we're playing on an inspiration, they can. Yeah, it leads to occasional playback mess-ups (most noticably around 43 1/2 min on Logos when the low vocal sound loop keeps playing for too long), but so what... I have listened to some of the songs mentioned, Beatles Freebird, etc. and I only say that listening to them only makes me want more late 70's early 80's (except White Eagle!) TD... (BTW> My entire collection of CDs is 35 TD CDs and the X-Files theme CD...) Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 3:56 am Subject: Still more smut... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >As far as I can remember, the Ginger Lynn tape was called 'Ginger's >Greatest' or something like that, but the other one is beyond recall. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wow! Isn't this a Klaus Schultze disc? Aw naw! Please tell me Klaus isn't making blue movies! That's a horrible thought! >It's been years since I saw them and somehow the TD tracks are the >only thing I can remember from the movies :) As for countries and >dates, I'd guess they were made in the US sometime in mid-80s; after >all, 'Risky Business' was released in 1983. I don't have this album - too much none TD and most of those tracks featured turn up on Tangram anyway - but isn't one of the titles something like 'Get off the babysitter...'. Now that's a cool title. I remember going to a Moog synthesiser demo years ago where the demonstrator played a composition entitled 'Richard, don't lock me out' or 'Don't shut the door on me dick...'. Funny the sort of things that stick in your head isn't it? Anyway, Ginger Lynn is still going strong too : churning out more dodgy material than Edgar Froese these days. Cheers David P.S. Here's some profile information : 35 next month, software development engineer with Caterpillar, electronic musician for fifteen years. Into TD for fourteen years. Still trying to be a groovy dude despite expanding waistline and receding hairline. Is it possible? np: 'Enigma' 'Le Roi est Mort...Vive Le Roi!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 3:56 am Subject: Wannabees Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, (again) >I agree with this as well guys. I have all 4 john dyson disk, quiet >point, glen lyod jones, air sculpture, and quiet point? Isn't paul ward >in quiet point, because I think I remember something about that. Or >maybe he is quiet point. It's all happening electronic music for sure. Paul Ward and Niel Thompson were 'Quiet Point' although they split some years ago. Paul has released two solo albums, 'For a Knave' and 'The Fear of Make Believe' which are on the Surreal-to-Real label. Check out http://www.netlink.co.uk/~surreal for sound bytes and more information. Niel did re-appear on 'Fear' with a writing credit for 'silly kind of secret'. Paul's music is very much Prog Rock in the Camel/Steve Hacket vein. Paul is a nice bloke who also works as a journalist. Scott, did you manage to get a copy of our disc? Cheers David From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TYGER with Vigour & TYRANNY of B with Quasar Really-From: Steven Feldman How do, all, Does anyone here have any leads on where I could procure copies of the TYGER Relativity CD (the one with 'Vigour' on it) and the TYRANNY OF BEAUTY [UK] AMP CD (the one with 'Quasar' on it)? Used from someone on this list or new from some mail-order or website would both be okay, as long as the CD(s) is/are in VG+ cond. or better. Also, lemme sneak in a non-TD request for a CD called FROM HERE TO ETERNITY . . . AND BACK AGAIN by Giorgio Moroder. Any of these around? Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 10:34 pm Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again -Reply Really-From: florin epure >Dave, my man, I totally agree with you. I stopped buying new TD after >Optical >Race. Did buy 220 Volt/Three Phase, but other than that, I dislike new TD. >Someone mentioned that he likes Stratosfear '95 better then the original, >man what is he thinking of. Sorry, I have to add myself to the list of people who don't like Stratosphear'95 - the rhytm is accelerated from the original version and Jerome's drums destroys all the original Stratosphear'76 feeling. It's a bad piece. Florin. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 6:55 am Subject: Re: Bands In the Tangerine Dream Tradition Really-From: Jeff Kortsch > I like them also. For anyone in the U.S., you can order through Windspell > 1-800-597-WIND. Try to find their first, Sigma, it's also very good. I was a > little disappointed in their latest, Wellenformen. But it seems I read that > the material was actually recorded prior to Sigma (making it their first) but > I might be wrong about that. Wellenformen I believe is Waveshape's first CD. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 6:04 am Subject: D: Turn Of The Tides Really-From: Boneheads1@a... I read the story and I want to dream. I want to take a journey. The contradictions and absurdities enable the letting go like African and American Indian stories I have read. I am swallowed by the thunderstorm, entranced by the orchestra and carried away by the carriage horses. By the time the energy picks up I am already seeing visions, dancing the native dance. The overture inflames my chariot, launching me into the album. Galley Slave's Horizon belongs on the wall of a museum. It is a movie. The propelling energy of Firetongues is replaced with the swelling of ocean waves, the sky, the bubbling phosphors swirling around each oar, overlaid with a pathetic scene of human struggle and agony, the weariness of the slaves, the resignation of toil, the sunset, the night, the dawn. After all this we witness the sacrifice of the beautiful key to our dreams performed without malice, just respect. Next comes the inquisition, the separation of soul and animal. This is deeply introspective and full of determination. The defense is outnumbered and outflanked. The process infuses and lightens. As the savage journey begins we launch into darkness with relentless focus. The resistance and the impetus grow. I attack frantic scenery and leave a swirling wake. I rest, overlooking a meadow on a dark, clear night. Somehow everything knows that this is a magical time of peace and renewal. The past and future have been released. I have arrived in a busy place, a civilized place, yet these images seem to reveal only part of the reality. There is an air of celebration. With a swirl of self-inversion these images slip away. The ancients call. Tim From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 5:41 am Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > Race. Did buy 220 Volt/Three Phase, but other than that, I dislike new TD. > Someone mentioned that he likes Stratosfear '95 better then the original, > man what is he thinking of. I think every version of 'Stratosfear' that they did after the original is superior to it. True, I wish that Strato '95 had been longer and contained more of the original's structure, but the original 'Stratosfear'? Pfah, one of the most blandly repetitive, uninspired pieces in the entire TD canon. Whatever Lars was thinking of, well, I guess I was thinking something similar. And I don't mind saying that you came off as being pretty snobbish there, Marcel. > > Baloney. I'd bet that 99% of the people who listen to '70-'88 TD don't > > like any of the above crap. I know I don't. I'm also not content > > to swallow trite instrumental pop just because it has the TD brand > > name on it. There's too much other good stuff out there. > > Pure nonsense about Classic rock radio, I don't possess any of that music. Neither do I. That doesn't stop me from liking whatever TD I like, be it _Rubycon_ or _Melrose_. If *I* think it has something musically redeeming about it, then I will have no trouble saying 'I LIKE IT' no matter where or when it's from. And even trite instrumental pop runs a certain gamut. (I know this because I play a lot of it on a regular basis.) > As mentioned before in the list, try something from the up 'n' coming > bands (mindflux, FSOL, Waveshape, FSP (i have to promote myself)). > You'll find some gems there! This may be true...but it doesn't mean some of us can't also like recent TD. As always, there's just no accounting for taste, is there? > Marcel Engels Gabe ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Yedid email: gabe@c... Dept. of Biology, McGill University bleo@m... Montreal, Quebec, Canada gyedid@p... 'Understanding is a three-edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth.' --Capt. John J. Sheridan, 'Babylon 5' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 9:49 am Subject: TD tour Europe: more tour dates announced! Really-From: Matheu Swartjes Latest information on the Europe tour (info from http://www.netstore.de/tadream). Seems they like a tight schedule! Wed, 04/09/97 Vienna TBA Thu, 04/10/97 Leipzig/Dresden TBA Fri, 04/11/97 Bonn Beethovenhalle Sat, 04/12/97 München Circus Krone Sun, 04/13/97 Nürnberg/Erlangen Stadthalle Erlangen Tue, 04/15/97 Hamburg Musikhalle Wed, 04/16/97 Berlin Hochschule der Kuenste (HdK) Thu, 04/17/97 Hannover Music Hall Fri, 04/18/97 Neu-Isenburg Hugenottenhalle Sat, 04/19/97 Brussels TBA Sun, 04/20/97 Amsterdam TBA Tue, 04/22/97 Budapest TBA Wed, 04/23/97 Zabrze (Poland) TBA Thu, 04/24/97 Prague TBA Fri, 04/25/97 Linz TBA Sat, 04/26/97 Ljubljana (Slovenia) TBA Mon, 04/28/97 Italy TBA Tue, 04/29/97 Italy TBA Wed, 04/30/97 Italy TBA Thu, 05/01/97 Zürich TBA Fri, 05/02/97 Geneva/Genf TBA Sat, 05/03/97 Lyon TBA Mon, 05/05/97 Paris TBA Tue, 05/06/97 Bordeaux TBA Wed, 05/07/97 San Sebastian(Spain) TBA Thu, 05/08/97 Madrid TBA Sat, 05/31/97 Athen TBA Sun, 06/01/97 Thessaloniki TBA TBA = to be announced The tour will be continued!!! So watch out for updates or changes often, cause all dates (except for Germany) are tentative. The list was last updated on Wed, 02/12/97 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 1:09 pm Subject: Really-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=E5l_Westermark?= unsubscribe tadream paal@i... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 1:14 pm Subject: Re: tott & S95 (quasar in particlar) Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) >------------------------------------------------------- >>Really-From: feldon@n... >>>Tyranny of Beauty: >>>cd-5 bonus track: >>>quasar 4as. >[...] >>Where on earth can you get this? > > I do think it is available on the UK >version of the TOB full-length cd, am I right about this anyone?? > >Lars Quasar is indeed available on the UK version of ToB... Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: The Tadream People... Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... I have a request for one of those translations of introductions by MCs. I have a tape from, I think, 1981, which has a long introduction in German to a live version of Kiev Mission. With my half-baked German I understand most of it, viz: '...der ersten, grossten ???, Tangerine Dream, und wichtig ist vielleicht fuer die Leute, die nicht so in unserem Electronik Reich bewandert sind zu wissen, dass die Tangerine Dream Leute ihre Keyboards, ihre Tastatueren als ???, als ??? benutzen, und da eine unglaubiche ??? entwickelt haben.' So German speakers: do tell. What are Tangerine Dream the first, biggest example of, what do 'the Tangerine Dream people' use their keyboards as, and what is the unbelieveable thing they've developed as a result? And how the $!*$ would you render this into English? Something along the lines of 'Those people who are not knowledgable about electronic music should note that...', I expect. Glynn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 1:23 pm Subject: Re: tott & S95 Really-From: feldon@n... >Still I think overall TOTT is a 4as (albeit a low 4as). BTW I do love >the artwork! > >lars (who sticks with the 4as for TOTT) I have a question... and maybe I am rattling the dog's chain, but isn't a 5 point scoring system almost useless for a musical group so wide in spectrum as TD? I'd rather use percentages or even grades with plus and minus (Peter Baumann Repeat gets an F- for example...) Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:35 pm Subject: Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... > > >I have a request for one of those translations of introductions by >MCs. I have a tape from, I think, 1981, which has a long >introduction in German to a live version of Kiev Mission. With my >half-baked German I understand most of it, viz: '...der ersten, >grossten ???, Tangerine Dream, und wichtig ist vielleicht fuer die >Leute, die nicht so in unserem Electronik Reich bewandert sind zu >wissen, dass die Tangerine Dream Leute ihre Keyboards, ihre >Tastatueren als ???, als ??? benutzen, und da eine unglaubiche ??? >entwickelt haben.' > >So German speakers: do tell. What are Tangerine Dream the first, >biggest example of, what do 'the Tangerine Dream people' use their >keyboards as, and what is the unbelieveable thing they've developed >as a result? And how the $!*$ would you render this into English? >Something along the lines of 'Those people who are not knowledgable >about electronic music should note that...', I expect. > >Glynn > Hi, the guy who gave this introduction back in 1981 was Eberhard Schoener, a (E-) musician himself (later he changed to do some very cheesy TV soundtracks). He organized one or two concerts in Munich Circus Crone as 'Rock and Classic'. Though I've seen it only once and, a few months later, a complition on TV (did not had a VCR at those times), and I had a tape audio copy (don't have it anymore, damnit!), I rememember vaguely some of the missing text from the above: ''...Tangerine Dream, und wichtig ist vielleicht fuer die Leute, die nicht so in unserem Electronik Reich bewandert sind zu wissen, dass die Tangerine Dream Leute ihre Keyboards, ihre Tastatueren als COMPUTERZENTRALEN or KOMMANDOZENTRALEN FUER IHRE SYNTHESIZER benutzen, und da eine unglaubiche FERTIGKEIT entwickelt haben.'' Translated something like ''...TD, and maybe important to know for those people who are not very familiar with our electronics world is that TD use their keyboards as command centers or computerconsoles to control their synthesizers, and they developed an incredible skill in doing that.'' (poor english...) I remember on that concert a (don't know which) orchestra playing Honegger, a Violinist playing something I can't remember, The Sparks, Robert Miles (??, 'Music was my first love'), some female black singer (Joan Armatrading?), and TD playing Kiev Mission (finally you saw who was speaking the text) and Mojave Plan with orchestra. There was a session in the end of all bands/orchestra, Edgar and Chris playing for hand on a PPG keyboard. Thats all what my memory can tell. Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:41 pm Subject: Really-From: Armin Theissen > >I have a question... and maybe I am rattling the dog's chain, but isn't a 5 >point scoring system almost useless for a musical group so wide in spectrum >as TD? I'd rather use percentages or even grades with plus and minus (Peter >Baumann Repeat gets an F- for example...) > >Morgan > > sorry for that, I 'invented' this 5 point system. What I had in mind with 5 points instead of 10 is that I actually did not wanted to give numbers, but some adjectives 5 : excellent 4 : almost perfect 3 : acceptable 2 : not so good, but o.k. 1 : lousy I made a survey, and to evaluate the survey with a computer, I had to give numbers again. So these numbers should get a *meaning*, and on a 10 scale the difference of one point would have been washed out again. go and see on http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen/tarank.html armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 1:43 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #830 Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-02-11 21:57:29 EST, you write: << You must pick up Tubular Bells 2 - VERY reminiscent of the original.. >> while you're at it, pick up a copy of the 'tubular bells reconstructed' ep, with re-mixes by the orb and others...very interesting and dramatic reconstitutions.... on a separate note, anyone looking for the 'rumpelstilchen (sp?)' video can find it at alcazar music 800-541-9904...happy viewing, tom w np: patrolling space borders From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 3:59 pm Subject: If you like synthesizer and space music : read this ! Really-From: 'Snelders, Eric' VERY IMPORTANT NEWS for PEOPLE THAT LIKE SYNTHESIZER AND SPACE MUSIC ! LAST ANNOUNCEMENT ! On SATURDAY MARCH 1, 1997 the 4th alfa centauri electronic music festival will be held in THEATRE 3-in-1 HUIZEN the NETHERLANDS with concerts of AIR SCULPTURE, VIDNA OBMANA, MIND OVER MATTER, RON BOOTS&FRIENDS, ELEKTRONISCHE MASCHINE, FRIENDS of alfa-centauri and lots of DEMO's: Modular arp moog demo/concert (play it yourself !), digital sampling, lots of equipment, books, magazines, and of course a CD/cassette/record market with famous/less famous artists, presentations of interestgroups and fanclubs like EMMA, KLEM, HCC, Schwingungen Club, etc. etc, continuous video program, trade exchange, etc. Meet hundreds of fans of synthesizer and space music, amateur and professional musicians from different west-european countries ! ADVANCE TICKET BOOKINGS PERIOD IS ABOUT TO CLOSE ! TICKETS cost f 22,50 (advance bookings until 15th of february) TICKETS at box office f 27,50 theatre opens at 12.00 am, and closes just around midnight don't miss this 12 hour (!) event reserve your tickets by sending cash or eurocheque to STICHTING ALFA-CENTAURI PO BOX 1131 NL-1271 BC HUIZEN the NETHERLANDS or Email Eric.Snelders@d..., or phone (+31) (0) 35-5265635 / 5267679 (after 20.00 hours) We send you ROUTE and HOTEL information on request ! See you at the 4th ALFA CENTAURI ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL on MARCH 1 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 3:22 pm Subject: Really-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=E5l_Westermark?= unsubscribe tadream paal@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: 'Phillip R. Naunton' <74427.3125@C...> >Dave, my man, I totally agree with you. I stopped buying new TD after >Optical >Race. Did buy 220 Volt/Three Phase, but other than that, I dislike new TD. >Someone mentioned that he likes Stratosfear '95 better then the original, >man what is he thinking of. Me neither... >Marcel Engels >fsp@p... > Morgan feldon@n... -------------------------------------------------------- Do we have to keep harping on this theme? I've been on this list for a couple of years and this theme comes up fairly frequently. 'Why I hate TD today.' or ' 'Lily On The Beach' is actually composed by Yanni.' or maybe 'Edgar hasn't done anything worthwhile since 'Electronic Meditation'.'; its all so pointless. If you don't like the band, find something else to obsess about. I'm as much for constructive criticism as anybody else, but I think that if there is not 40% PMA (Positive Mental Attitude) about TD, then it doesn't belong on a thread. I'm also disappointed that there aren't 39 albums like 'Force Majeure' or 'Logos', but there aren't, and that is it. Get over it! There are hundreds of artists who have done only one notable thing. Dozens` haven't done any. Nominations, anybody? John Tesh? Yanni? Klaus Schulze (Now Playing!)? Kitaro? Jarre? Phil N. P.S. Also on the List-equette subject: Can we dispense with the 'Me, too!' and/or 'Me, neither.' posts. They serve no other function but to waste bandwidth. IMO, if you don't have a significant element of discussion to add to the fray then it can be illiminated. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Froese and Dali Really-From: 'Phillip R. Naunton' <74427.3125@C...> Morgan quotes and responds----- >>Does anyone know about this. >>I wondered if Dali might have influenced Froese in his >>musical developement ? > >There's no question in my mind that Dali had a LOT to do with TD's impressions. > >Morgan<< Last night I was in a bookstore looking at some reproductions of a Tarot deck designed by Salvadore Dali, a really beautiful creation BTW, and I thought to myself, 'Maybe Edgar needs a refresher course.' All in fun of course. 8-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 11:37 pm Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: 'Phillip R. Naunton' <74427.3125@C...> > > Do we have to keep harping on this theme? I've been on this list for > a couple of years and this theme comes up fairly frequently. 'Why I hate TD > today.' or ' 'Lily On The Beach' is actually composed by Yanni.' or maybe > 'Edgar hasn't done anything worthwhile since 'Electronic Meditation'.'; Well, to be fair to everyone else, we haven't all been on the list for same length of time, and so repetition is bound to happen. We need to remember that this is an ever growing forum on an increasingly popular medium, and there may be a danger that this sort of (apparent) attitude could make us seem pompous and drive people with valid comments away for fear of incurring our wrath. Now before Phil (or anyone else) writes back to counter these points, I'm not saying that that was what Phil intended (at least I assume it wasn't). And in many ways I agree with the parts of his comments I snipped out - constructive criticism has to be to the fore and we need to constantly police ourselves to prevent the potential fall into oblivion. And in general we seem to do a pretty good job, with the occassional prompt from Mr. Datta. > I'm also disappointed that there aren't 39 albums like 'Force Majeure' > or 'Logos', but there aren't, and that is it. Get over it! There are hundreds > of artists who have done only one notable thing. Dozens` haven't done any. > Nominations, anybody? John Tesh? Yanni? Klaus Schulze (Now Playing!)? > Kitaro? Jarre? I think that's where this thread originated, wasn't it? Alternatives to TD for disillusioned fans? And I won't take you to task over your nominations, 'cos that would no doubt lead to another long and protracted thread of 'X is better than Y and sounds more like TD than Z'. > P.S. Also on the List-equette subject: Can we dispense with the 'Me, too!' > and/or 'Me, neither.' posts. They serve no other function but to waste > bandwidth. IMO, if you don't have a significant element of discussion to add to > the fray then it can be illiminated. I agree! (Ehm, oops). Phil, I don't want to sound offensive, but did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. This doesn't sound like the usual sort of post from your quarter, or am I confusing you with some of the other Phil's on the list? And finally (sorry this is rambling on) if anyone is looking for The Keep (unofficial release) and can't find it, I might be able to help them out. A local shop has (or had last week) a single copy. E-mail me personally. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 5:54 pm Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > I think every version of 'Stratosfear' that they did after the original > is superior to it. True, I wish that Strato '95 had been > longer and contained more of the original's structure, but the original > 'Stratosfear'? Pfah, one of the most blandly repetitive, > uninspired pieces in the entire TD canon. Whatever Lars was thinking of, > well, I guess I was thinking something similar. How would you feel if Edgar tangenized Encore pt. 3 or so? And make it a pop-track. This is how Stratos'95 sounds to me. I'm sorry. But everyone should follow his own musical tastes of course, no offense. Marcel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 844 Re: pushing the hot buttons again Gabe Yedid Thu 2/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 5:58 pm Subject: ToB-CD Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' By the way: My ToB CD (with Quasar track) says Stratosfear 94 and not Stratosfear 95. Marcel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1038 TD T-Shirts from S.Bush concert. Doreen Williams Wed 2/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 7:30 pm Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > How would you feel if Edgar tangenized Encore pt. 3 or so? And make > it a pop-track. This is how Stratos'95 sounds to me. I'm sorry. I would probably love it! What (I think) Lars and I were getting at was that the original 'Stratosfear' is (IMO, maybe not his) a pretty bland, colourless piece, as is most of _Encore_, IMO. (I *LOVED* the Monolight remixes on _Tangents_, I wish TD would do those live, with the piano solo). And they took it and injected some intensity and energy into it. Yes, they used guitars and drums, but that was what made the difference here. The '86 tour version also has interesting new synth lines and drums. This is not to say I like *every* Tangentization with no questions asked, mind you. But when they get it spot on, boy do they get it. > But everyone should follow his own musical tastes of course, no offense. Amen. > Marcel Gabe Gabe ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Yedid email: gabe@c... Dept. of Biology, McGill University bleo@m... Montreal, Quebec, Canada gyedid@p... 'Understanding is a three-edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth.' --Capt. John J. Sheridan, 'Babylon 5' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 7:40 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #833 Really-From: Harri Ikonen > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > >As far as I can remember, the Ginger Lynn tape was called 'Ginger's > >Greatest' or something like that, but the other one is beyond recall. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Wow! Isn't this a Klaus Schultze disc? Aw naw! Please tell me Klaus isn't > making blue movies! That's a horrible thought! No, he's not. I meant to say that I cannot recall the title of the other movie, but unfortunately picked a wrong expression for that purpose. My apologies for the confusion. > >'Risky Business' was released in 1983. > > I don't have this album - too much none TD and most of those tracks > featured turn up on Tangram anyway - but isn't one of the titles something > like 'Get off the babysitter...'. Now that's a cool title. I remember going > to a Moog synthesiser demo years ago where the demonstrator played a > composition entitled 'Richard, don't lock me out' or 'Don't shut the door > on me dick...'. Funny the sort of things that stick in your head isn't it? Sorry to nitpick, but the tracks are actually from 'Exit' and 'Force Majeure' 'No Future (Get Off the Babysitter)' - 'Exit' 'Guido the Killer Pimp' - 'Cloudburst Flight' 'Lana' - 'Force Majeure' > Anyway, Ginger Lynn is still going strong too : churning out more dodgy > material than Edgar Froese these days. She's indeed active, but in mainstream films. She left the x-rated business in late 1980s. -- Harri Ikonen hikonen@m... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 7:49 pm Subject: Re: Orb (was Re: Mike Oldfield) Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > > > i would agree that, if one compares it to the original, it doesnt stand > up...but thats not the point, imo...the orb does remixing and > 'reconstruction' and, i think hes good at that...is this one of his better > releases? definately not, imo...but it wasnt meant, i dont think, to compete > in any way with the original...(btw, the fila brazilia remix is the The general attitude seemed to be not only was it not a good reinterpretation of Jarre, it wasn't even a particularly good techno album, that other artists could have done much better in doing something INTERESTING, never mind satying faithful to the original. so, why does Paterson need a multi-track master then? He doesn't do remixes in the mid-80s sense of the word, does he? (read: something like Tangentization). > highlight)...the same will hold true of the td remix...if this list starts > off by comparing it to the original its sunk before it comes out...if > however, we look at it as an artistic re-interpretation of the original and > hold it up to the light on its own, it may survive...as to my music > addiction: lets just say i have a good supplier... > > tom w > > np: headz a disc 1 - (a mo'wax compilation; why should td stop with the > orb?...can u guys imagine a scanner remix? or an aphex twin remix?) We can IMAGINE. As to what these folks would want to remix out of all of TD's canon, well...3 votes for NOT the more recent stuff. Gabe who didn't insert a sig this time From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 7:45 pm Subject: RE: pushing the hot buttons Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 10 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: sean > > > > I must offer a dissenting opinion. In the time I have been on the list, > > I can't help but think that TD has one of the most remarkably fickle fan > > bases anywhere, BECAUSE they keep experimenting. > > > True....but we still buy the albums anyway, don't we? I mean, because Yes, but do we buy them just because it's TD? This is one of the hardest accusations to fight off from disgruntled ex-fans--'the name sells records' one. It irks the hell out of me every time I see it, but very hard to defend other than 'Well, I listen to TD because they change so much and I like that!' > they DO change their sound on a regular basis, you never know when it'll > be something great. What I meant was I don't know about any band whose 'fans' can give albums X, Y, Z effusive praise with fanatic fervour and rip into albums A, B, C, and then the band itself) with a venom usually reserved for true societal scum. There is something else I have to say on this, but I have neither the time, energy, nor desire to begin, and then defend my opinions in, what could be the biggest flame war the list has ever seen. > > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 851 Buying it for the name? sean Thu 2/13/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TRACKLIST: 1992 USA tour (October-November) Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Tracklist: OCTOBER-NOVEMBER 1992 USA TOUR Set one 1) Waterborne 2) Touchwood 3) Rolling Down Cahuenga 4) Blue Bridge 5) Oriental Haze 6) Graffiti Street 7) Melrose 8) Two Bunch Palms 9) 220 Volt 10) Homeless Set two 11) Story of the Brave 12) Sundance Kid 13) Girls on Broadway 14) Love on a Real Train 15) Back Street Hero 16) Body Corporate 17) Rockoon Encores 18) One Night in Medina 19) Hamlet 20) Dreamtime 21) Purple Haze --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ - ------------------------------ Known extant fan recordings (dates in European format, i.e. day.month.year): 04.10.92 Toronto Music Hall 05.10.92 Montreal Wilfred Peltier Theatre 08.10.92 Boston Berklee Performance Center 09.10.92 New York Beacon Theater 10.10.92 Upper Darby (Philadelphia) Tower Theater 13.10.92 Washington D.C. Lisner Auditorium 14.10.92 Columbus Palace Theater 15.10.92 Baltimore Johns Hopkins University/Shriver Hall 16.10.92 Cleveland Front Row Theater 17.10.92 Chicago Old Vic Theater 20.10.92 Detroit Fox Theater 28.10.92 San Juan/Capistrano Coach House 30.10.92 Los Angeles Wiltern Theater 01.11.92 Ventura Theater --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ - ------------------------------ Cheers, John Burek and Mark Schaffer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 875 Re: TRACKLIST: 1992 USA tour (October-November) John Burek Fri 2/14/1997 4 KB 878 Re: TRACKLIST: 1992 USA tour (October-November) m.schaffer@i... Fri 2/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...> Hello folks, Well, about a month and half ago I posted a message to the list asking whether anyone was terribly interested in tour tracklists. I got a few replies to the affirmative, so thus began a rather arduous process (still far from complete) of compiling these things from existing tour tapes. Fellow list member Mark Schaffer and I have undertaken to catalog tracklists from TD's 1980 tour shows up to the present day, in conjunction with the column we write for Voyager magazine on concert tapes. It's turned out to be a well-more difficult task than anticipated--although most tours contained mostly the same tracklists for each show within the tour, there are often slight variations that make sweeping statements about an entire tour difficult. However, scanning through many hours of tapes is bringing us nearer to consensus on many of the patterns of the tours. As we settle each tracklist to the best of our ability, we'll post the results to the list under the subject header 'TRACKLIST: 19XX tour'. As time (and our ears' endurance) permit, expect to see discrete tracklists for the following TD tours and one-off shows: 1) Oct-Nov 1980 Europe tour 2) Jan-Feb 1981 Europe mini-tour 3) Berlin Reichstag August 1981 (one-off show) 4) Oct-Nov 1981 UK tour 5) December 1981 Munich Circus Krone (one-off show) 6) Feb-March 1982 Australia mini-tour 7) Oct-Nov 1982 Europe tour 8) June 1983 Frankfurt 'Fassbinder Memorial Concert' (one-off show) 9) June 1983 Japan mini-tour 10) Nov 1983 Dresden (one-off show) 11) Dec 1983 Warsaw (two 'one-off' shows) 12) June 1984 Athens (one-off show) 13) March 1986 UK tour 14) May-June 1986 USA tour 15) August 1987 Berlin Reichstag (one-off show) 16) August-Sept 1988 USA tour 17) Feb 1990 Berlin 'Brandenburger' concert (one-off show) 18) Oct-Nov 1990 UK tour 19) Oct-Nov 1992 USA tour 20) July 1995 LA S.I.R. Theater (one-off show) 21) November 1996 London Shepherds Bush (one-off show) Not all at once, of course. :) Pre-1980 (including the East Berlin 'Pergamon' shows in January 1980), there were no discrete tracklists to detect--shows were mainly improvised. If anyone has heard recordings that contradict of could augment our research, we want to hear from you! We'll start (in a separate message) with the 1992 USA tour (easy, since all the tapes we've heard are exactly the same). Enjoy! Disputes/questions/discussion encouraged.... --John and Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 855 Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message Vincent Goudreault Thu 2/13/1997 3 KB 860 Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message sean Thu 2/13/1997 2 KB 877 Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural answer m.schaffer@i... Fri 2/14/1997 3 KB 907 Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message Mark Filipak Sat 2/15/1997 17 KB 908 Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message Mark Filipak Sat 2/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:33 pm Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-02-13 11:05:55 EST, you write: << Dozens` haven't done any >> Klaus Schulze (Now Playing!)? whoa there good buddy...lets not start a ks hasnt done anything decent thread.... if you don't have a significant element of discussion to add to the fray then it can be illiminated. do u mean eliminated or illuminated? tom w np: (horrors) u2 : the propaganda melon remixes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:32 pm Subject: Buying it for the name? Really-From: sean > Yes, but do we buy them just because it's TD? Well, that might well be *part* of it. However, I have not purchased the most recent albums by the Cure, R.E.M., The Cranberries, Soundgarden and several others even though I had previously liked these groups. With TD, it's different. My affiliation with them goes back farther. And part of me likes the fact that they aren't all that well known. They're like a pot of gold that I horde to myself. I don't have to hear a new TD single that I dislike played on the radio 10 times a day, until I resent the whole album that it comes from. Because the band is so prolific, and because they continue to attempt different styles of work, it's harder to just write them off as it is a band that only puts out an album every two or three years. You don't have time to forget about them. Just as you've given an album enough time to really decide if you like it or not - bang - there's another one. I don't think this is a bad thing! It's just how I've viewed the TD situation since I became an ardent fan in the mid 80s. It's rather like a slot machine...they give you a prize every so often just to keep you pulling the lever. I've probably made a barbed comment or two here in regards to the band, but as someone who also works in the creative realm, I have nothing but respect for the body of work that they've produced, the fervour with which they continue to compose, and their overall integrity. I think we would all do well to remember that they're just human beings doing what they love, and letting us in on it. A fan shouldn't expect them to serve as their own personal musicians. The old stuff is still there if that's all you like. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:50 pm Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: feldon@n... >I would probably love it! What (I think) Lars and I were getting at was that >the original 'Stratosfear' is (IMO, maybe not his) a pretty bland, >colourless piece, as is most of _Encore_, IMO. (I *LOVED* the Monolight remixes >on _Tangents_, I wish TD would do those live, with the piano solo). And >they took it and injected some intensity and energy into it. Yes, they used >guitars and drums, but that was what made the difference here. The '86 tour >version also has interesting new synth lines and drums. On to a b**t topic: Did TD play any more of Logos during the 1988 concert than the Blue part? It seems that 88 was a return to history. Did they play anything else besides Logos and Phaedra (or was that in 86?) Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:56 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream Evolution Really-From: feldon@n... >There is something else I have to say on this, but I have neither the >time, energy, nor desire to begin, and then defend my opinions in, what >could be the biggest flame war the list has ever seen. > > >> Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR When I listen to Tangerine Dream, whatever the year, I wonder: Are the tracks between 1976 and 1982 so different and (and I'm going out on a limb here) more to many tastes than 1983-1989 tracks for any particular reason other than evolution? Maybe Tangerine Dream wanted to make CDs like Goblin's Club and Melrose all along but didn't have the equipment to MIDIfy everything. Ok, that was definately a stretch... But really, Force Majeure and Cyclone are as close to 70's pop-rock as TD ever got back then (I haven't heard Tangram, so couldn't tell you about that). And now, listening to Goblin's Club, when I am on a 5-10 minute drive, what do I play? The first 4 minutes of track 1 and the first 3 minutes of track 2 and wonder... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 869 Re: Tangerine Dream Evolution Rich Maggio Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 871 Re: Tangerine Dream Evolution Mark Filipak Fri 2/14/1997 3 KB 923 Re: Tangerine Dream Evolution TheSmitter@a... Sun 2/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:59 pm Subject: Moog Question Really-From: feldon@n... I know that this list probably isn't the right place for this question, but I know someone who bought a full size Moog keyboard (we're talking 8 feet across and over 100 lbs) used in 1986 for $750. He is a friend of mine (met him last year) and he doesn't know what to do with it because it sort of got damaged, a couple of keys are missing now and it doesn't work. Is there any place in the US that does repairs on such keyboards? Maybe he should just sell it. TD might pay $10,000 for it, I would if I had it and had TO! This Moog is fully MIDIfied and had a place for a floppy drive. Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1037 The Moog Cookbook Doreen Williams Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 9:14 pm Subject: Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > Enjoy! Disputes/questions/discussion encouraged.... Well, this may be nit-picking, but I object to the Canadian venues to be included in an overall 'USA tour' label, as the May-June 1986 (#14), August-Sept 1988 (#16) and Oct-Nov 1992 (#19) tours are currently listed. I would recommend 'North American' tour. For the record, this is how the venues of those tours were labelled (i.e.: North American tour) on the promo tee-shirts that were sold at said shows. Us Canadians are still proud of our identity, though we share many values with our good friends south of the border. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet and, for the sake of those who asked the question: 39 (will be 40 in 4 days), master degree in Aerospace Engineering, single and completely bald (including eyelashes, eyebrows, etc.), born in Montreal and still living/working in that area. Only musical instrument mastered: CD player ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 860 Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message sean Thu 2/13/1997 2 KB 877 Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural answer m.schaffer@i... Fri 2/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:32 am Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuliĉ/Sasha Sekulich) On Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:19:16 -0500, you wrote: >I'm so glad Oldfield got out from under the thumb of Virgin records. The 'pop' >stuff he put out during the latter period of his contract with Virgin was >largely forgettable, IMHO. TBII was a breath of fresh air without simply >being a rehash of the original. I have heard that he has a new album out now >called Voyager, although it does not appear to be distributed here in the US. >Do you have any info on it? It's been released for at least 3-4 months, and if you can get it here (Serbia) you should be able to get in anywhere :) Anyway, it isn't like SoTD or TBII, not to mention Amarok. It's just a 'collection' of folk/folk influenced songs. There really isn't anything catchy or memorable. JAA (Just Another Album). I'd rather listen Heaven's Open/Earth Moving (and I do :) than this one. Nonetheless, it belongs into something called A Must Have. :) It's really nothing special, but it isn't bad. *********************************************************************** Sasa Sekulic, Student at the Faculty of Physics, University of Belgrade --------------------------------------------------------------------- mrsasha@b... ******************* mrsasha@a... *********************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:32 am Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuliĉ/Sasha Sekulich) On Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:06:30 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: dalane@b... (Dave Lane) >> In other words, some folks are content to live in >> the past, and for them is classic rock radio, with its never-ending >> doses of Stairway to Heaven, Freebird and that annoying Peter Frampton >> song whose title escapes me at the moment (wait! They're ALL annoying!). >Baloney. I'd bet that 99% of the people who listen to '70-'88 TD don't >like any of the above crap. I know I don't. I'm also not content >to swallow trite instrumental pop just because it has the TD brand >name on it. There's too much other good stuff out there. Hey! Why crap? I do love Stairway to Heaven once in a while. Every year or so... :) But really, I like rock, metal, blues, jazz, even pop sometimes :) And electronic/experimental music, of course. *********************************************************************** Sasa Sekulic, Student at the Faculty of Physics, University of Belgrade --------------------------------------------------------------------- mrsasha@b... ******************* mrsasha@a... *********************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:32 am Subject: Re: Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuliĉ/Sasha Sekulich) >On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:20:31 GMT, Maxwell wrote: > >>Hey Dream boys and girls of course (if there are any), >>So what's the average age of people subscribed to this list and where=20 >>are most of you from? Sasa Sekulic, 20, student at the Faculty of Physics, Belgrade. Have been living in Croatia first 15 years, and in Serbia afterwards. A fan for exactly 21 day :)) Not than I haven't heard of them before, but I haven't actually listened to them but I knew I'd like 'em (being listening to Mike Oldfield, Vangelis JMJ, Enya, Yello, Pink Floyd etc.). Currently in possession of: Atem :) and Destination Berlin :))) Anybody younger? :) *********************************************************************** Sasa Sekulic, Student at the Faculty of Physics, University of Belgrade --------------------------------------------------------------------- mrsasha@b... ******************* mrsasha@a... *********************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 10:08 pm Subject: New comer Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > Sasa Sekulic, 20, student at the Faculty of Physics, Belgrade. Have been > living in Croatia first 15 years, and in Serbia afterwards. A fan for exactly > 21 day :)) Not than I haven't heard of them before, but I haven't actually > listened to them but I knew I'd like 'em (being listening to Mike Oldfield, > Vangelis JMJ, Enya, Yello, Pink Floyd etc.). > Fan for only 21 days? It would be most interesting to follow your evolution, how your preferences shift as you discover albums, how you freshly approach each TD work with a 'new ear' (as opposed to us old timers). Please keep us up to date in your discovery of TD music, what you pick up on the first listen, and how your appreciation changes (or not) on the second, third, etc. audition. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 9:59 pm Subject: Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message Really-From: sean > Well, this may be nit-picking, but I object to the Canadian venues to be > included in an overall 'USA tour' label, as the May-June 1986 (#14), Bravo! > Us Canadians are still proud of our identity Even when we aren't sure what that identity is... > though we share many values with our good friends south of the border. Think of us as a 'kinder, gentler' America. Fewer guns, more spruce trees. We stab you in the back rather than kick you in the gonads. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hello folks, Here goes another tracklist. This one was easy--it's on TD's homepage--but actually, there are a couple of slight clarifications Mark and I made to more accurately reflect what was actually played.....enjoy! --John Burek and Mark Schaffer ________________________________________________________________________________\ _ _ TRACKLIST: London Shepherds Bush Empire 30.11.96 First set 1) Opening atmospheres 2) Barbakane (excerpt) 3) Sundance Kid 4) Hyperborea 5) Warsaw in the Sun 6) Exit 7) Stratosfear 1995 8) Dolphin Dance 9) Melrose 10) Streethawk 11) The Blue Bridge 12) Oriental Haze Second set 13) Piano solos (Edgar and Linda--an excerpt from Ricochet Part Two and some Mozart) 14) Nomad (unreleased track) 15) 220 Volt 16) Dreamtime 17) Catwalk (with lengthy new intro) 18) Firetongues 19) Girls on Broadway 20) Rising Haul in Silence 21) Lamb With Radar Eyes 22) Touchwood (Forest Mix) 23) Towards the Evening Star Encores 24) Hamlet 25) Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal 26) Eleanor Rigby --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ - --------------------------------------- Known fan recordings: 30.11.96 London Shepherd's Bush Empire (several versions) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 862 TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 John Burek Thu 2/13/1997 3 KB 1036 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Doreen Williams Wed 2/19/1997 4 KB 1040 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 m.schaffer@i... Wed 2/19/1997 3 KB 1062 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Matt Williams Thu 2/20/1997 3 KB 870 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 feldon@n... Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 874 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Craig R. J. Cordrey Fri 2/14/1997 3 KB 884 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 John Burek Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hello folks, Here goes another tracklist. This one was easy--it's on TD's homepage--but actually, there are a couple of slight clarifications Mark and I made to more accurately reflect what was actually played.....enjoy! --John Burek and Mark Schaffer ________________________________________________________________________________\ _ _ TRACKLIST: London Shepherds Bush Empire 30.11.96 First set 1) Opening atmospheres 2) Barbakane (excerpt) 3) Sundance Kid 4) Hyperborea 5) Warsaw in the Sun 6) Exit 7) Stratosfear 1995 8) Dolphin Dance 9) Melrose 10) Streethawk 11) The Blue Bridge 12) Oriental Haze Second set 13) Piano solos (Edgar and Linda--an excerpt from Ricochet Part Two and some Mozart) 14) Nomad (unreleased track) 15) 220 Volt 16) Dreamtime 17) Catwalk (with lengthy new intro) 18) Firetongues 19) Girls on Broadway 20) Rising Haul in Silence 21) Lamb With Radar Eyes 22) Touchwood (Forest Mix) 23) Towards the Evening Star Encores 24) Hamlet 25) Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal 26) Eleanor Rigby --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ - --------------------------------------- Known fan recordings: 30.11.96 London Shepherd's Bush Empire (several versions) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1036 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Doreen Williams Wed 2/19/1997 4 KB 1040 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 m.schaffer@i... Wed 2/19/1997 3 KB 1062 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Matt Williams Thu 2/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Something Controversial(sp) Really-From: Matt Williams Hi People, I have been on this least for well over a year now and I don't know if it is me but this list doesn't seem to be as good as it was when I first came onto it,I used to contribute to the discussions and enjoy reading the mails but now when I go into my mail folder and see loads of TD mail I just delete most of it just by reading the subjects. Does anyone else feel the same or is it just me who has changed....maybe I should give the space music list a try for a while! Matt.......... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 11:52 pm Subject: The Official A PRODUCE web page is here! Really-From: Jill Bryant Hello synth musicians and Emusic fans, the official A PRODUCE page is on the net (and has been for some time)! A PRODUCE web page URL: http://pages.prodigy.com/APRODUCE/APRODUCE.htm It is part of the Timeless Sequences Electronic Music web page: http://pages.prodigy.com/TimelessSequencesEM Everyone tell me what you think. I aim to please any listener of this genre! Synthly & Cosmically, Jill Bryant From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: More TD tour dates Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (peter stoeferle) TD's Home Page issued the following tour dates: >>> Tangerine Dream European Tour 1997 Starting at April 9th, Tangerine Dream will open Tickets are available the European Tour 1997 with the following from: concerts: Moderne Welt GmbH Wed, 04/09/97 Vienna TBA Marienbaderstr. 6/1, Thu, 04/10/97 Leipzig/Dresden TBA D-70372 Stuttgart Fri, 04/11/97 Bonn Beethovenhalle Tel.: +49.711.9547474 Fax: +49.711.9547470 Sat, 04/12/97 München Circus Krone Sun, 04/13/97 Nürnberg/Erlangen Stadthalle Erlangen Tue, 04/15/97 Hamburg Musikhalle Wed, 04/16/97 Berlin Hochschule der Kuenste (HdK) Thu, 04/17/97 Hannover Music Hall Fri, 04/18/97 Neu-Isenburg Hugenottenhalle Sat, 04/19/97 Brussels TBA Sun, 04/20/97 Amsterdam TBA Tue, 04/22/97 Budapest TBA Wed, 04/23/97 Zabrze (Poland) TBA Thu, 04/24/97 Prague TBA Fri, 04/25/97 Linz TBA Sat, 04/26/97 Ljubljana TBA (Slovenia) Mon, 04/28/97 Italy TBA Tue, 04/29/97 Italy TBA Wed, 04/30/97 Italy TBA Thu, 05/01/97 Zürich TBA Fri, 05/02/97 Geneva/Genf TBA Sat, 05/03/97 Lyon TBA Mon, 05/05/97 Paris TBA Tue, 05/06/97 Bordeaux TBA Wed, 05/07/97 San TBA Sebastian(Spain) Thu, 05/08/97 Madrid TBA Sat, 05/31/97 Athen TBA Sun, 06/01/97 Thessaloniki TBA TBA = to be announced The tour will be continued!!! So watch out for updates or changes often, cause all dates (except for Germany) are tentative. The list was last updated on Wed, 02/12/97. >>> End quote Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1039 Re: More TD tour dates Doreen Williams Wed 2/19/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 6:59 am Subject: Sorry! Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, Sorry. I goofed. Sudden rush of sh*t to the brain, I'm afraid... Surreal-to-Reals URL is, in fact, http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/surreal/ Apologies for the mistake. Cheers David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37821 Re: Sorry! John Vertical omegatransfinito Tue 12/17/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 2:32 am Subject: Re: unsubscribe Really-From: korg@s... (bill dorrans) >unsubscribe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15463 unsubscribe MikeVal777@a... Fri 3/26/1999 1 KB 16418 unsubscribe jon ward Fri 5/14/1999 2 KB 16516 unsubscribe jon ward Tue 5/18/1999 1 KB 17896 unsubscribe Carl Maestre Sat 9/18/1999 1 KB 27851 unsubscribe E Neal Frost Mon 7/23/2001 2 KB 29136 unsubscribe Rimas Lazutka Tue 9/18/2001 2 KB 31856 unsubscribe fozziebear Fri 2/1/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Really-From: 'Patricio Vela' unsubscribe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:21 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream Evolution Really-From: Rich Maggio > and Cyclone are as close to 70's pop-rock as TD ever got back then (I > haven't heard Tangram, so couldn't tell you about that). And now, listening You haven't heard Tangram! You are deprived! You must get/listen to it. I think it is one of their best. I believe most folks on this list would agree. I think of Tangram and a TD staple. If you want to pick it up now, you are in luck because they just re-released it as an SBM with the original red cover. Rich Maggio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 5:32 am Subject: Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Really-From: feldon@n... At 05:35 PM 2/13/97 EST, you wrote: >Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> > > Sheperd's Bush... >--------------------------------------- >Known fan recordings: > >30.11.96 London Shepherd's Bush Empire (several versions) Hmm... I am curious if the additions to Catwalk are of redeeming value among some other songs played. Is it worth the disc? I've got every TD with few exceptions. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 5:51 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream Evolution Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Rich Maggio > > > and Cyclone are as close to 70's pop-rock as TD ever got back then > > (I haven't heard Tangram, so couldn't tell you about that). And now, > > listening > > You haven't heard Tangram! You are deprived! You must get/listen to > it. I think it is one of their best. I believe most folks on this > list would agree. I think of Tangram and a TD staple. If you want > to pick it up now, you are in luck because they just re-released it > as an SBM with the original red cover. > > Rich Maggio And if I may add, from A/B listenings of the old 'Tangram' CD and the new one, the difference is _dramatic_. Get it -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:07 pm Subject: RE: pushing the hot buttons Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > There is something else I have to say on this, but I have neither the > time, energy, nor desire to begin, and then defend my opinions in, what > could be the biggest flame war the list has ever seen. > > Gabe > C'mon Gabe, you can't make a comment like this and then leave us hanging! 'the biggest flame war this list has ever seen' sounds like a great thread to me. (Well, that and the blurb from one of those deep-voiced-over cheap straight-to-video films 8-)). --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 991 Re: pushing the hot buttons Plumer, Scott Tue 2/18/1997 3 KB 1001 Re: pushing the hot buttons TWeibre361@a... Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:11 pm Subject: Re: Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuli /Sasha Sekulich) > > Currently in possession of: Atem :) and Destination Berlin :))) > I think most on the list would suggest that you couldn't have picked a more extreme two albums to start with. As Gabe said, it'll be interesting to see which of these (IMHO) two separate camps you end preferring. > Anybody younger? :) > I think there's a couple, but not many. Most of seem to be spread in the late-20s-to-late-30s range (I think). --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 920 Re: Gabe Yedid Sat 2/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:12 pm Subject: Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: feldon@n... > Hmm... I am curious if the additions to Catwalk are of redeeming value among > some other songs played. Is it worth the disc? I've got every TD with few > exceptions. I think this is just a fan tape, not a CD. Or has this now appeared on CD somewhere? (It's only a matter of time). --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: RE: TRACKLIST: 1992 USA tour (October-November) Really-From: Peter Ravn Dear John Burek and Mark Schaffer A tremendous job you are going to do. But nevertheless I think you forgot the Seattle 25.10.92 show. Maybe more, but that were that I remember right now. Best regards, Peter Ravn ---------- Fra: 'tadream@c...'@LOCAL Til: 'tadream@c...'@LOCAL Emne: TRACKLIST: 1992 USA tour (October-November) Dato: 13. February 1997 20:44 Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Tracklist: OCTOBER-NOVEMBER 1992 USA TOUR Set one 1) Waterborne 2) Touchwood 3) Rolling Down Cahuenga 4) Blue Bridge 5) Oriental Haze 6) Graffiti Street 7) Melrose 8) Two Bunch Palms 9) 220 Volt 10) Homeless Set two 11) Story of the Brave 12) Sundance Kid 13) Girls on Broadway 14) Love on a Real Train 15) Back Street Hero 16) Body Corporate 17) Rockoon Encores 18) One Night in Medina 19) Hamlet 20) Dreamtime 21) Purple Haze ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- ------------------------------ Known extant fan recordings (dates in European format, i.e. day.month.year): 04.10.92 Toronto Music Hall 05.10.92 Montreal Wilfred Peltier Theatre 08.10.92 Boston Berklee Performance Center 09.10.92 New York Beacon Theater 10.10.92 Upper Darby (Philadelphia) Tower Theater 13.10.92 Washington D.C. Lisner Auditorium 14.10.92 Columbus Palace Theater 15.10.92 Baltimore Johns Hopkins University/Shriver Hall 16.10.92 Cleveland Front Row Theater 17.10.92 Chicago Old Vic Theater 20.10.92 Detroit Fox Theater 28.10.92 San Juan/Capistrano Coach House 30.10.92 Los Angeles Wiltern Theater 01.11.92 Ventura Theater ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- ------------------------------ Cheers, John Burek and Mark Schaffer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 878 Re: TRACKLIST: 1992 USA tour (October-November) m.schaffer@i... Fri 2/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 5:13 pm Subject: Really-From: ashok prema From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:40:20 +0200 (EET) Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #833 Really-From: Harri Ikonen > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > >As far as I can remember, the Ginger Lynn tape was called 'Ginger's > >Greatest' or something like that, but the other one is beyond recall. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Wow! Isn't this a Klaus Schultze disc? Aw naw! Please tell me Klaus isn't > making blue movies! That's a horrible thought! >No, he's not. I meant to say that I cannot recall the title of the other >movie, but unfortunately picked a wrong expression for that purpose. My >apologies for the confusion. Am I missing something ?? Shultzes 'Body Love' was as Blue as blue movies go - and very nice it was too!! .........time for another cold shower!! Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 11:45 am Subject: Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural answer Really-From: m.schaffer@i... > > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > Well, this may be nit-picking, but I object to the Canadian venues to be > included in an overall 'USA tour' label, as the May-June 1986 (#14), > August-Sept 1988 (#16) and Oct-Nov 1992 (#19) tours are currently listed. > I would recommend 'North American' tour. For the record, this is how the > venues of those tours were labelled (i.e.: North American tour) on the promo > tee-shirts that were sold at said shows. > > Us Canadians are still proud of our identity, though we share many > values with our good friends south of the border. > > > C.B. Vincent Goudreault > online since early 93, TD fan since 77 > first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet > That's the danger of leaving an American in charge of things, eh, John? :) Apologies to all Canadians on the list. Rest assured that all future North American tours will be labelled as such. Mark Schaffer -- =============================================================================== Mark Schaffer 'Fourth gentleman required to share large Department Of Mathematics Hampstead gentleman.' Imperial College (Monty Python's Flying Circus) LONDON SW7 2BZ Tel 0171 - 589 5111 x58619 =============================================================================== From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 11:49 am Subject: Re: TRACKLIST: 1992 USA tour (October-November) Really-From: m.schaffer@i... Dear Peter, > > Really-From: Peter Ravn > > A tremendous job you are going to do. Thank you! > > But nevertheless I think you forgot the Seattle 25.10.92 show. > Maybe more, but that were that I remember right now. > > Best regards, > Peter Ravn > ---------- > Known extant fan recordings (dates in European format, i.e. > day.month.year): > > 04.10.92 Toronto Music Hall > 05.10.92 Montreal Wilfred Peltier Theatre > 08.10.92 Boston Berklee Performance Center > 09.10.92 New York Beacon Theater > 10.10.92 Upper Darby (Philadelphia) Tower Theater > 13.10.92 Washington D.C. Lisner Auditorium > 14.10.92 Columbus Palace Theater > 15.10.92 Baltimore Johns Hopkins University/Shriver Hall > 16.10.92 Cleveland Front Row Theater > 17.10.92 Chicago Old Vic Theater > 20.10.92 Detroit Fox Theater > 28.10.92 San Juan/Capistrano Coach House > 30.10.92 Los Angeles Wiltern Theater > 01.11.92 Ventura Theater > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is there a fan recording of this concert? Please send details to either myself or John (I asked John to list _all_ tour venues and specify which of those had extant fan tapes, but I don't think he got my message in time.) Thanks for your input, Mark Schaffer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 12:33 pm Subject: various comments Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) >Really-From: feldon@n... [...] >But really, Force Majeure and Cyclone are as close to 70's pop-rock as TD ever >got back then [...] Please illuminate me! I used to listen to lots of 70s-80s pop rock during the 70s and 80s and always felt that FM (which I was playing throughout the 80s) was as far from mainstream pop-rock as one could get! I don't mean this negatively/sarcastically/caustically and would appreciate an explanation. lars ----------------------------------------------------- >Really-From: sean >> Us Canadians are still proud of our identity >Even when we aren't sure what that identity is... >Think of us as a 'kinder, gentler' America. Fewer guns, more spruce trees ... sorry I couldn't resist; BTW I do love Canada and have visited every province! Lars (who really owes Sean a few beers now!) ****Obligatory TD content for TLM [The List Master]:**** In answer to last week's query: I'm 35, married, a student in art history living near Boston; I've been a hard-core fan of TD since around '81 or so. First exposure was Theif and first albums were Ricochet and Sorcerer. I love 76-86 TD best but still like ALL of their stuff. ps: a addition to my Haslinger comments of late: My parakeet 'Fang' :> gives Future Perfect two 'claws' up (he really loves it!) but World Without Rules gets one 'claw' up; my parrot :> could care less though--which is also how she feels about TD in general :-( It is strange (maybe I'm starting some really eccentric thread here but so what!) but I've noticed that parakeets (at least the two that I've had) really seem to like music and especially EM; my previous parakeet loved 'Transfer Station Blue' and could 'sing' almost all of it from memory (eg: when the stereo was off). Fang also likes a variety of TD, but seems to prefer those CDs which tend to get higher 'AS' scores on the list. How do I know? If he isn't interested, he'll just sit there quietly or do something else; if he really likes the music, he participates (that's just natural flock behavior for gregarious birds!); the more he 'sings' and talks and the louder he is, the more I know he likes it. When he goes non-stop through a whole cd, I know he's just given it a 5AS! Has anyone else noticed varying/qualitative responses to TD amongst the non-human animal kingdom? lars (who expects to get flamed by the 'ultra-serious' members of this list) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 882 Re: various comments feldon@n... Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 885 Re: various comments Brian_Kirby@p... Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 896 Re: various comments slawlor Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 890 Re: various comments Marcel Engels Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 897 Re: various comments slawlor Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 902 Re: various comments Vic Rek Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 925 Re: various comments PNaunton@a... Sun 2/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 12:47 pm Subject: Really-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pċl_Westermark?= unsubscribe tadream Pċl Westermark -------------------------------------------------- Pċl Westermark: paal@i..., tel +49-18-101342 -------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 912 Armin Theissen Sat 2/15/1997 3 KB 933 Re: Craig R. J. Cordrey Sun 2/16/1997 3 KB 951 Armin Theissen Mon 2/17/1997 2 KB 983 Jan Kerp Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB 1014 Ciro A. Rodriguez Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB 1041 Ciro A. Rodriguez Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB 1045 Chris Curran Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB 1048 Re: Brian_Kirby@p... Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB 1054 Re: Mark Filipak Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 1:47 pm Subject: Re: Something Controversial(sp) Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Feb 13, 3:17pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Something Controversial(sp) > Really-From: Matt Williams (...) > > I have been on this least for well over a year now and I don't know if it is > me but this list doesn't seem to be as good as it was when I first came onto > it,I used to contribute to the discussions and enjoy reading the mails but now > when I go into my mail folder and see loads of TD mail I just delete most of > it just by reading the subjects. > (...) Matt, perhaps what you are experiencing is only that what we hinted to a few days ago, when someone asked about our ages, backgrounds, etc. The list goes through cycles, as new comers ask questions that were addressed 12 or 24 months ago, so what you see are those topics coming around for another pass. I use to be quite active on this list, 3 years ago. Since then, I have become one of the old timers, essentially listening in and sometimes putting in a comment or answering a question asked by a fellow 'tadreamer'. Remember that this list is what YOU make out of it. Surely the discussion heats up after a new release, or during tour time. Perhaps you would like to bring in another view of the Tangerine Dream experience? You may want to ask 'what is the most unusual place you ever heard TD music', or describe 'the most unlikely person that is a TD fan' (to me that would be a country & western fan !), or tell us how many people (and how you perform that task) you introduced to TD music. The possibility are endless. Regards C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 964 Re: Something Controversial(sp) Plumer, Scott Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 2:59 pm Subject: Re: various comments Really-From: feldon@n... At 07:33 AM 2/14/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) > > >>Really-From: feldon@n... >[...] >>But really, Force Majeure and Cyclone are as close to 70's pop-rock as TD >ever >got back then >[...] > >Please illuminate me! I used to listen to lots of 70s-80s pop rock during >the 70s and 80s and always felt that FM (which I was playing throughout the >80s) was as far from mainstream pop-rock as one could get! I don't mean >this negatively/sarcastically/caustically and would appreciate an explanation. I don't know why I wrote that the WAY I did. Force Majeure is not pop. I'm referring to about 4 minutes of the title song. Cyclone, on the other hand... Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 9:46 am Subject: The TD Roots Collection and.... Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Just to go on record, although we have discussed this several times over the years: The range of ages of TD's music lovers is probably 9 to 95 and, professionally, we probably range from brick-layers to university professors. Men are likely to outnumber women 10:1, probably because of differences in listening styles. For whatever it's worth, I am exactly the same age as Edgar Froese (actually a month younger) and have been listening to TD since 1971. I am a medical psychologist. -------- but enough of this... I am surprised that nobody is discussing: 1) The TD Roots Collection 2) Supernatural Fairy Tales - The Progressive Rock Era The latter is a compilation by Archie Patterson (of Eurock fame) and David McLees. If you are interested in getting a feel for how our listening ears (actually brains) have evolved over the years (listeners of my age, that is), this collection of 50+ tracks is NOT to be missed. For those of you who will fork out the heavy cash, ENJOY! You won't be quite the same afterwards. :-) Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 894 Re: The TD Roots Collection and.... Vic Rek Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 963 Re: The TD Roots Collection and.... Plumer, Scott Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Message text written by tadream mailing list >>Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' >> Really-From: feldon@n... >> Hmm... I am curious if the additions to Catwalk are of redeeming value among >> some other songs played. Is it worth the disc? I've got every TD with few >> exceptions. >>I think this is just a fan tape, not a CD. Or has this now >>appeared on CD somewhere? (It's only a matter of time). Hello, At the moment it's just a fan tape. However, if TD actually releases this London 1996 concert video as they mentioned they would back in December, I would think there'd be a good chance the Catwalk material would be on there. The additions at the start of the song are really no big deal, just about a minute of keyboard noodling. The guitar work within the song, though, was 'heavier' than in the ToB version. --John Burek From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 3:57 pm Subject: Re: various comments Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) >Has anyone else noticed varying/qualitative responses to TD amongst the >non-human animal kingdom? I've noticed that our cat reacts similarly to just about every TD album: she stares vacantly into space, occasionally begs for food, and eventually goes back to sleep. Ultra-seriously, B. Kirby PS - I did discover a hairball by the stereo the last time I played 'Rockoon,' however. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 896 Re: various comments slawlor Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates wanted? Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Vincent G.: You're absolutely right--not only **should** I have referred to the 1986, 1988, and 1992 tours as North American tours (TD played plenty of Canadian dates on those tours, for sure), but I called the 1992 tour a 'USA tour' and ***then*** said there were extant fan recordings from Toronto and Montreal! Sorry 'bout that--chalk that one up to boneheaded Yankee Americentrism. :-) Peter R.: Thanks for the kind words. Initially, we started out just listing the extant fan recordings (incidentially, I don't know of a **fan** recording of Seattle 1992, though Three Phase/220 Volt Live is an official one), but if list members would find a FULL listing of each tour's dates useful, we could certainly provide that and indicate which ones we know fantapes exist for. (In doing so, we would have to give much credit to 'Voices in the Dunes' and its creators for info on concerts that no fantape exists for.) John Burek Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 893 Re: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates want Vic Rek Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 895 Re: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates want Sean Montgomery Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 921 Canada apologia/more complete tour dates wanted? Klaus Beschorner Sat 2/15/1997 3 KB 939 Complete tour lists? m.schaffer@i... Mon 2/17/1997 4 KB 990 Re: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates want Plumer, Scott Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 11:12 pm Subject: Short : No TD - Funny? Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Armin, Did you know your Microsoft Word spell-checked name is Armenia Thinness? No, I'm not making fun of your name. It's just one of those things I occassionally do when bored and yours came out quite funny I thought. My god, am I sad or what? No offense intended. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:33 pm Subject: pets & TD (was Re: various comments) At 07:33 97·02·14 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) >Has anyone else noticed varying/qualitative responses to TD amongst the >non-human animal kingdom? My cat Zocchi does have *some* preference to the music I play. Although she likes to be in my vicinity wherever at home I happen to be, and puts up with my occasional mutchering and two nephews (ages 2 &4). And as you might know, cats can be indifferent and inscrutable. She definitely doesn't like Einstürzende Neubauten. She always leaves my room when I play it. Life is complex. It has real and imaginary parts. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 10:43 pm Subject: my .profile Really-From: anunes@m... In answer to Maxwell Croy, my name is Antonio Nunes, age 38 (39 next month), electronic engineer and unix system administrator, Portuguese living in Madeira Island. My first exposure to TD was in the early 80's with excerpts of Logos and Hyperborea on the radio. First complete album was Tangram, borrowed from a friend. First TD album bought: Force Majeure (vinyl). These 4 albums are still my favorites, though I have now almost 60 TD CD's. Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:49 pm Subject: Re: various comments Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > I've noticed that our cat reacts similarly to just about every TD album: she > stares vacantly into space, occasionally begs for food, and eventually goes back > to sleep. My cat always feels uneasy when I play old TD and especially Kitaro (I think because of the high and strange frequencies of the analog synths.) She always walks to the speaker to see where the sound is coming from and then runs away. > PS - I did discover a hairball by the stereo the last time I played 'Rockoon,' > however. Not suprisingly (this is the last time I mention that I don't like new TD, really!) Marcel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 897 Re: various comments slawlor Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 11:47 pm Subject: spelling my name Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > >Armin, > >Did you know your Microsoft Word spell-checked name is >Armenia Thinness? > >No, I'm not making fun of your name. It's just one of those >things I occassionally do when bored and yours came out >quite funny I thought. > >My god, am I sad or what? > >No offense intended. > > Hi, I just checked and YOU'RE WRONG! If I write 'Armin Theissen' and do the Microsoft Word spell check, I get 'Armenia theism'. However, if I do this common mistake almost any british/irish/american does, namely mis-spelling my second name to 'Thiessen' (notice the order of 'i' and 'e'), then the result is as yours ('Thinnes'). No offense taken for checking spelling, but for your initial mis-spell!!!! (just joking) Armin Theissen, 'e' first! I just checked that Microsoft Word is makein a 'theism' out of 'Theissen'. cheers Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Amsterdam concert Really-From: voorn@m... (Michel Voorn) Hello All, Where can I find more information about the Amsterdam concert on 20 april ? Greetings Michel -- ************************************************** * Internet/E-mail: voorn@m... * * Homepage : http://www.xs4all.nl/~voorn * * BBS (MIVO) : +31 79 3318427 * ************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 5:46 pm Subject: Re: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates wanted? Really-From: Vic Rek At 11:10 AM 2/14/97 EST, you wrote: >Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >Vincent G.: > >You're absolutely right--not only **should** I have referred to the 1986, 1988, >and 1992 tours as North American tours (TD played plenty of Canadian dates on >those tours, for sure), but I called the 1992 tour a 'USA tour' and ***then*** >said there were extant fan recordings from Toronto and Montreal! Sorry 'bout >that--chalk that one up to boneheaded Yankee Americentrism. :-) > Enough of these apologies and self-criticism already!!! Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 895 Re: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates want Sean Montgomery Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 5:46 pm Subject: Re: The TD Roots Collection and.... Really-From: Vic Rek At 09:46 AM 2/14/97, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >I am surprised that nobody is discussing: > > 1) The TD Roots Collection > 2) Supernatural Fairy Tales - The Progressive Rock Era > >The latter is a compilation by Archie Patterson (of Eurock fame) and David >McLees. If you are interested in getting a feel for how our listening ears >(actually brains) have evolved over the years (listeners of my age, that >is), this collection of 50+ tracks is NOT to be missed. > Just a note for you K. Schulze collectors. On Supernatural Fairy Tales there is an unreleased track by Klaus Schulze from 1970 as well as Ash Ra Tempel. I think Eurock is selling them for $60 postage paid in the US. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 7:23 am Subject: Re: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates wanted? Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >said there were extant fan recordings from Toronto and Montreal! Sorry 'bout > >that--chalk that one up to boneheaded Yankee Americentrism. :-) > > > Enough of these apologies and self-criticism already!!! Yeah....y'all are sounding *like* Canadians! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'I used to be indecisive, but now I just don't know' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 6:26 pm Subject: Re: various comments Really-From: slawlor If I wanted to make my cat more psychotic than she already is, which might almost be impossible, I could blare Alpha Centaury, (I think that's the correct spelling), or KS Erlitche'. I know from experience that my cat doesn't like Velvet Underground or too much John Zorn. scott K. Lawlor http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 6:28 pm Subject: Re: various comments Really-From: slawlor By the way, how many disk does Tangerine Dream have out as of now. I thought it was around 50 or so. thanks for the information. scott K. Lawlor http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor From: tadream@c... 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Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 900 Re: can you post this Sean Montgomery Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 901 Re: can you post this Vincent Goudreault Fri 2/14/1997 3 KB 904 Re: can you post this Michael Richard Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 911 Re: can you post this Jeff Kortsch Sat 2/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 7:06 pm Subject: Re: can you post this Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... thank you >Subject: =A1=A1MAKE MONEY!! -easy and legal >From: DOLLAR Looks like we got another spammer, Dave. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:26 am Subject: Re: can you post this Really-From: Sean Montgomery No, you can't. Take your make-money-quick twaddle somewhere else! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'I used to be indecisive, but now I just don't know' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 7:42 pm Subject: Re: can you post this Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Can anyone with the required internet/system admin knowledge verify if this idiot's e-mail address ('From: DOLLAR ') is legit so that we can spam them in return? For the record, if any of us believe that pyramic can work, look at it this way: if you were to _start_ your own pyramid instead of joining someone else's, you would still have to do all the mailing, addressing, etc, *WITHOUT* having to pay out some dude. Of course, in that case, _anyone_ you try to recruit may reach the same conclusion, and thus will not join *your* pyramid. Conclusion: it cannot work. Only idiot would contribute. Only bastards will spam us with such postings. I guess this is another one that must be filtered out, right Mr. Datta? C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 7:53 pm Subject: Re: various comments Really-From: Vic Rek At 01:26 PM 2/14/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: slawlor > >If I wanted to make my cat more psychotic than she already is, which >might almost be impossible, I could blare Alpha Centaury, (I think that's >the correct spelling), or KS Erlitche'. I know from experience that my >cat doesn't like Velvet Underground or too much John Zorn. > Scott, What in the hell is this post supposed to be about? By the way, you spelled BOTH albums incorrectly. Go look them up! Vic > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 3:56 am Subject: Help me, Spock... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, Last time on StarTrek:Deep Space Nine hikonen@m...(Harri Ikonen) wrote : >>>As far as I can remember, the Ginger Lynn tape was called 'Ginger's >>>Greatest' or something like that, but the other one is beyond recall. >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Wow! Isn't this a Klaus Schultze disc? Aw naw! Please tell me Klaus isn't >> making blue movies! That's a horrible thought! > >No, he's not. I meant to say that I cannot recall the title of the other >movie, but unfortunately picked a wrong expression for that purpose. My >apologies for the confusion. Hey! I thought this was a pretty good joke! ;) The thought of Klaus on stage is bad enough : the thought of Klaus in his birthday suit makes me wanna gag! ;) >> >'Risky Business' was released in 1983. >> >> I don't have this album - too much none TD and most of those tracks >> featured turn up on Tangram anyway - but isn't one of the titles something >> like 'Get off the babysitter...'. Now that's a cool title. I remember going >> to a Moog synthesiser demo years ago where the demonstrator played a >> composition entitled 'Richard, don't lock me out' or 'Don't shut the door >> on me dick...'. Funny the sort of things that stick in your head isn't it? > >Sorry to nitpick, but the tracks are actually from 'Exit' and 'Force Majeure' > >'No Future (Get Off the Babysitter)' - 'Exit' >'Guido the Killer Pimp' - 'Cloudburst Flight' >'Lana' - 'Force Majeure' Yep! Ya's right but...the most memorable bit of the film has to be the openning sequence from 'Tangram'. I would get in a blue movie with Klaus if I could only write one sequence as brilliant as that! Was the sublime 'Love on a Real Train' released on any disc other than 220v Live. I played that section of video over and over again until the ferrite rubbed off the tape. (Of course, Rebecca De Mornay had something to do with it as well...) That tiny section of music with it's sampled choirs and simple repeating theme are s..o.. special. The only other piece of TD movie music that comes close is from 'The Keep' (Logos) where the troopers are bouncing down the stairs towards...whatever. Why is this so good? On the face of it, this tune just does not match the visuals at all but it works so well. Much puzzlement. An inspired choice from Edgar, Micheal Mann or just good luck? >> Anyway, Ginger Lynn is still going strong too : churning out more dodgy >> material than Edgar Froese these days. >She's indeed active, but in mainstream films. She left the x-rated business >in late 1980s. Probably a good thing. That other stalwart of the X movie business, Tracy Lords, jumped ship not so long ago too. What is the world coming to? Cheers David np : Nervana : Nevermind (Disco Mix) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 9:08 pm Subject: Re: can you post this Really-From: Michael Richard Hi! >Subject: ĦĦMAKE MONEY!! -easy and legal >From: DOLLAR >Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 01:25:40 +0100 >Message-ID: <33010DFB.72F8@m...> Maybe i'm the only one, but i really HATE to see such message in such mailling list. I think you're not on the right place to post your message. See ya! :) Michael (: (\__/) (..) _) Michael Richard - michael_richard@i... /\/\ ( BBS La Jungle : (819) 533-3520 (m__m)_) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 9:07 pm Subject: Spherical Harmonics Really-From: Vic Rek Spherical Harmonics Information. Details: Spherical Harmonics One - UK Mirage Sound CDV 103, Detroit USA 9/88?, rel. 1994 Spherical Harmonics Part 2 - Italy? Magnificent Music Corp., CD-R, rel. 1995? Spherical Harmonics Part 2 nicely compliments the pressed CD bootleg release of Spherical Harmonics One. The music quality is excellent on both! The is Tangerine Dream Live in 1988. This release is a limited edition CD-R by the 'The Magnificent Music Corporation of Italy', whoever they are. Rumours have it that originally 70 copies were to be made, but I now hear that there are about 100-120 copies floating around. The CD-R has the title and some basic information printed on the disc. Part One comes with a color front cover insert (some copies) and Part 2 comes with a color insert. There are no rear inserts on any of these that I know of. There are great releases to have for the music. If you are into artwork also, then these are lacking a bit in that respect, especially on Part 2. Vic P.S. I welcome any corrections or additional information from you die hard collectors. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 919 Re: Spherical Harmonics rch@g... Sat 2/15/1997 3 KB 924 Re: Spherical Harmonics Vic Rek Sun 2/16/1997 2 KB 2730 Spherical Harmonics Maxwell A. Croy Thu 4/17/1997 2 KB 2732 Re: Spherical Harmonics feldon@n... Thu 4/17/1997 3 KB 2743 Re: Spherical Harmonics Plumer, Scott Thu 4/17/1997 2 KB 2791 Re: Spherical Harmonics Hermes Guzman Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 33933 Spherical Harmonics Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Thu 5/16/2002 2 KB 34039 Re: Spherical Harmonics chris towers Sat 5/18/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: This List Made Me Learn How to Use a Computer! Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Something Controversial(sp) >Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 15:17:22 GMT >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Matt Williams > >[. . .] I don't know if it is me but this list doesn't seem to be as >good as it was when I first came onto it [. . .] but now when I go into >my mail folder and see loads of TD mail I just delete most of it just >by reading the subjects. I know exactly what you mean, and I concur. Three things that make me blow a posting off entirely are: 1.) Album of the month (or week, or whatever it is) 2.) Anything to do with Klaus Schulze (sorry) 3.) Tech-intensive extended discussions of emusic hardware I've been a TD fan since 1981 and on this list for about seven years--in fact, it's because of this list that I made myself learn how to use a computer!!! Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 2:54 am Subject: Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...> -snip- > Fellow list member Mark Schaffer and I have undertaken to catalog > tracklists from TD's 1980 tour shows up to the present day, in > conjunction with the column we write for Voyager magazine on concert > tapes. It's turned out to be a well-more difficult task than > anticipated--although most tours contained mostly the same tracklists > for each show within the tour, there are often slight variations that > make sweeping statements about an entire tour difficult. However, > scanning through many hours of tapes is bringing us nearer to consensus > on many of the patterns of the tours. As we settle each tracklist to > the best of our ability, we'll post the results to the list under the > subject header 'TRACKLIST: 19XX tour'. -snip- Hello. I hope the attachment helps you. As you can see, I'm doing my own research -- not down to the level of detail you are, but perhaps we can help each other. Regards -- Mark ======================== Quick Chronology ======================== Notes ----- This chronology is in the order of performance. Commercial albums are listed by session dates not release dates. All venues were studio sessions unless indicated otherwise. Only major releases are listed here. Derivatives, compilations, and the like are not listed here but are in the full discography. ---- 66 ---- LADY GREENGRASS/LOVE OF MINE ---- 69 ---- ==== The Pink Years Edgar Froese/Klaus Schulze/Conrad Schnitzler [Nov 69] ELECTRONIC MEDITATION ---- 70 ---- Edgar Froese/Christoph Franke/Steve Shroyder ---- 71 ---- [Jan 71] ALPHA CENTAURI Edgar Froese/Christoph Franke/Peter Baumann Frankfurt University, Frankfurt [19 Jun 71] International Music Forum, Ossiacher Lake, Austria [25 Jun-5 Jul 71] ---- 72 ---- [May 72] ZEIT WDR-Sendesaal 'Klangwald,' Cologne [25 Nov 72] Radio 'Klangkollage,' Berlin [?? ??? 72] unknown concert 1972/73 [?? ??? 72] ---- 73 ---- [Jan 73] ATEM Les Ponts de Ce, ???... [20 May 73] [??? 73] GREEN DESERT (just EF/CF) ==== The Virgin Years (from the record company, Virgin Records) RIAS-Musikfestival, Deutschlandhalle, Berlin [29 Nov 73] [Dec 73] PHAEDRA ---- 74 ---- [Mar 74] AQUA [Jun 74] OVERTURE TO OEDIPUS TYRANNUS Chichester Festival, Chichester [29 Aug 74] Nationalgalerie, Berlin [13 Oct 74] British Tour 74 City Hall, Sheffield [29 Oct 74] Town Hall, Birmingham [30 Oct 74] Stadium, Liverpool [2 Nov 74] Kelvin Hall, Glasgow [20 Nov 74] St.Georges Hall, Bradford [26 Nov 74] City Hall, Sheffield [29 Nov 74] Rheims Cathedral, Rheims [13 Dec 74] ---- 75 ---- [Jan 75] RUBYCON Australian Tour 75 (Michael Hoenig fills in for Peter) Dallas Brooks Hall, Melbourne [13 Mar 75] Festival Theatre, Adelaide [25 Mar 75] Royal Albert Hall, London [2 Apr 75] [Apr 75] SORCERER -OST- [Jul 75] EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE Orange Festival, Orange, France [16 Aug 75] French & British Tour [Autumn 75] RICOCHET Rheims Opera, Rheims [23 Sep 75] Coventry Cathedral, Coventry [4 Oct 75] Colston Hall, Bristol [5 Oct 75] Town Hall, Birmingham [12 Oct 75] Liverpool Cathedral, Liverpool [16 Oct 75] Apollo, Glasgow [17 Oct 75] Minster, York [20 Oct 75] Olympia, London [22 Oct 75] Fairfield Hall, Croydon [23 Oct 75] ---- 76 ---- France-Benelux Tour 76 Palais des Sports, Paris [23 Jan 76] Hippodrome, Paris [26 Jan 76] Uni-Auditorium, Brussels [9 Feb 76] RAI-Congresscentrum, Amsterdam [11 Feb 76] British Tour 76 Free Trade Hall, Manchester [5 Jun 76] Royal Albert Hall, London [7 Jun 76] The Dome, Brighton [10 Jun 76] Berlin Philharmonie, Berlin [27 Jun 76] [Aug 76] STRATOSFEAR European Tour 76 Stadthalle, Hannover [10 Oct 76] Philipshalle, Dussledorf [21 Oct 76] Cirkus-Krone-Bau, Munich [27 Oct 76] Odeon, Edinburgh [3 Nov 76] Usher Hall, Nottingham [8 Nov 76] Guild Hall, Portsmouth [9 Nov 76] Leeds University, Leeds [13 Nov 76] Fairfield Hall, Croydon [14 Nov 76] Free Trade Centre, Manchester [15 Nov 76] Palais des Sports, Paris [22 Nov 76] Ancienne Belgique, Brussels [26 Nov 76] Centre Culturel, Toulouse [28 Nov 76] ---- 77 ---- First North American Tour 77 [Mar-Apr 77] ENCORE LIVE Riverside Theater, Milwaukee [29 Mar 77] Ford Auditorium, Detroit [31 Mar 77] Convention Center Music Hall, Cleveland [2 Apr 77] Lisner Auditorium, Washington DC [4 Apr 77] Avery Fisher Hall, New York City [5 Apr 77] Convocation Hall, Toronto [?? Apr 77] Place des Arts, Montreal [10 Apr 77] Hilton Convention Center, Quebec City [11 Apr 77] Paramount Theater, Seattle [21 Apr 77] Civic Auditorium, Santa Monica [25 Apr 77] Second North American Tour 77 Greek Theater, Los Angeles [12 Jul 77] ? -second venue- ? Edgar suffers equestrian accident - cuts tour off. [Nov 77] AGES Edgar Froese/Christoph Franke/Klaus Krieger/Steve Jolliffe ---- 78 ---- [??? 78] CYCLONE Laserium Tour Eissporthalle, Berlin [19 Feb 78] Audimax, Hamburg [24 Feb 78] Philipshalle, Dusseldorf [25 Feb 78] Palais de la Beaujoire, Nantes [1 Mar 78] Nuebo Pabelon, Barcelona [13 Mar 78] City Hall, Newcastle [23 Mar 78] Apollo, Glasgow [24 Mar 78] Apollo, Manchester [25 Mar 78] Empire, Liverpool [26 Mar 78] Hammersmith Odeon, London [28 Mar 78] Edgar Froese/Christoph Franke/Klaus Krieger [Sep? 78] FORCE MAJEURE ---- 79 ---- Edgar Froese/Christoph Franke/Johannes Schmoelling ---- 80 ---- Palast Der Republik, E.Berlin [31 Jan 80] QUICHOTTE [??? 80] TANGRAM [Summer 80] THIEF -OST- World Tour 80 Cirque Royal, Brussels [13 Oct 80] Philipshalle, Dusseldorf [15 Oct 80] CCH, Hamburg [16 Oct 80] Centre Sportif, Luxembourg [17 Oct 80] unknown place (Italy/Spain ??) [20 Oct 80] Palasport, Bologna [23 Oct 80] National Stadium, Dublin [1 Nov 80] City Hall, Newcastle [2 Nov 80] Guildhall, Preston [5 Nov 80] Assembly Rooms, Derby [6 Nov 80] Odeon, Birmingham [7 Nov 80] Apollo, Manchester [8 Nov 80] Victoria Apollo, London [9 Nov 80] (10 Nov 80 ?) New Theatre, Oxford [12 Nov 80] Royal Court, Liverpool [15 Nov 80] Old Waldorf, San Francisco [20 Nov 80] Civic Auditorium, Santa Monica [22 Nov 80] ---- 81 ---- European Tour 81 Eurogress, Aachen [21 Jan 81] Eilenriedehalle, Hannover [24 Jan 81] ICC, Berlin [26 Jan 81] Alte Oper, Frankfurt [30 Jan 81] Bataclan, Paris [2 Feb 81] Palasport, Rome [6 Feb 81] Palasport Pianelli, Cantu [7 Feb 81] Apollo, Firenze [8 Feb 81] Palasport, Cucciago [?? Feb 81] [Jul 81] EXIT Free Concert for Nuclear Disarmament and World Peace, Platz der Republik, Berlin [29 Aug 81] British Tour 81 New Theatre, Oxford [15 Oct 81] Guildhall, Portsmouth [16 Oct 81] Hammersmith Odeon, London [20 Oct 81] City Hall, Sheffield [22 Oct 81] City Hall, Manchester [24 Oct 81] City Hall, Newcastle [25 Oct 81] Usher Hall, Edinburgh [26 Oct 81] Apollo, Glasgow [27 Oct 81] Guildhall, Preston [28 Oct 81] Royal Court, Liverpool [29 Oct 81] Gemeindezentrum Lukaskirche, Gelsenkirchen [11 Nov 81] 'Klassik Rock Nacht' Cirkus-Krone-Bau, Munich [9 Dec 81] ---- 82 ---- [Jan 82] WHITE EAGLE Australian Tour 82 Festival Theatre, Sydney [22 Feb 82] Dallas Brooks Hall, Melbourne [1 Mar 82] European Tour 82 Kurhalle Oberlaa, Wien [17 Oct 82] Sportcsarnok, Budapest [19 Oct 82] Alte Oper, Frankfurt [27 Oct 82] Apollo, Glasgow [29 Oct 82] Assembly Rooms, Derby [30 Oct 82] Fairfield Hall, Croydon [31 Oct 82] Apollo, Manchester [1 Nov 82] Colston Hall, Bristol [2 Nov 82] Apollo, Oxford [3 Nov 82] City Hall, Sheffield [4 Nov 82] Town Hall, Birmingham [5 Nov 82] Dominion Theatre, London [6 Nov 82] LOGOS LIVE Uni-Auditorium, Brussles [8 Nov 82] Rosengarten, Mannheim [10 Nov 82] Philipshalle, Dusseldorf [11 Nov 82] Cirkus-Krone-Bau, Munich [12 Nov 82] ICC, Berlin [15 Nov 82] Sportcsarnok, Budapest [19 Nov 82] [??? 82] DIE MELODIE AUS DEM GLEICHNAMIGEN TATORT -OST- [??? 82] THE KEEP -OST- * THE COMPLETE WORKS OF THE KEEP -OST- ---- 83 ---- [May 83] PINNACLES Fassbinder Memorial Concert, Alte Oper, Frankfort [11 Jun 83] Japanese Tour 83 Kohseinenkin Hall, Tokyo [23 Jun 83] Nakano Sun Plaza Hall, Tokyo [25 Jun 83] Festival Hall, Osaka [28 Jun 83] [??? 83] WAVELENGTH -OST- [Aug 83] HYPERBOREA [??? 83] RISKY BUSINESS -OST- ==== The Blue Years Hygienemuseum, Dresden [26 Nov 83] Torwar Ice Stadium, Warsaw [10 Dec 83] POLAND ---- 84 ---- [??? 84] FIRESTARTER -OST- [??? 84] FLASHPOINT -OST- [??? 84] HEARTBREAKERS -OST- [??? 84] THE PARK IS MINE -OST- [??? 84] STREET HAWK -OST- ---- 85 ---- [Feb 85] LE PARC Edgar Froese/Christoph Franke/Paul Haslinger [??? 85] LEGEND -OST- [??? 85] SHY PEOPLE -OST- ---- 86 ---- European Tour 86 DeMontford Hall, Leicester [9 Mar 86] City Hall, Sheffield [10 Mar 86] City Hall, Newcastle [11 Mar 86] Edinburgh Playhouse, Edinburgh [12 Mar 86] Guildhall, Preston [13 Mar 86] Apollo, Manchester [14 Mar 86] Fairfield Hall, Croydon [16 Mar 86] Odeon, Birmingham [17 Mar 86] Victoria Hall, Hanley [18 Mar 86] Royal Court, Liverpool [19 Mar 86] Conference Centre, Harrogate [21 Mar 86] Royal Centre, Nottingham [22 Mar 86] The Ritz, Lincoln [23 Mar 86] The Dome, Brighton [24 Mar 86] Apollo, Oxford [26 Mar 86] Hammersmith Odeon, London [27 Mar 86] WDR-Sendesaal, Cologne [29 Mar 86] Olympia, Paris [31 Mar 86] [Apr 86] UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT North American Tour 86 EXPO'86, Vancouver [30 May 86] Paramount Theater, Seattle [31 May 86] Arlene Schnitzler (Theater?), Portland [1 Jun 86] Warfield Theater, San Francisco [3 Jun 86] Universal City Amphitheater, Los Angeles [5 Jun 86] Irvine Meadows Amphitheater, Laguna Hills [6 Jun 86] Kiva Auditorium, Albuquerque [8 Jun 86] Paramount Theater, Denver [11 Jun 86] Bonner Springs Amphitheater, Kansas City [13 Jun 86] Riviera Theater, Chicago [15 Jun 86] Oriental Theater, Milwaukee [17 Jun 86] Place des Arts, Montreal [19 Jun 86] National Arts Center, Ottawa [20 Jun 86] Massey Hall, Toronto [21 Jun 86] Meadowbrook Music Festival, Rochester [23 Jun 86] Convention Center Music Hall, Cleveland [24 Jun 86] Tower Theater, Philadelphia [25 Jun 86] Orpheum Theater, Boston [26 Jun 86] Performing Arts Center, Providence [27 Jun 86] Beacon Theater, New York City [28 Jun 86] Warner Theater, Washington [29 Jun 86] Mill Valley Film Festival, Warfield Theater, San Francisco [15 Nov 86] ---- 87 ---- [Feb 87] TYGER [??? 87] DEADLY CARE -OST- Reichstag, Berlin [1 Aug 87] Platz der Republik, Berlin [8 Aug 87] LIVEMILES [??? 87] NEAR DARK -OST- [??? 87] THREE O'CLOCK HIGH -OST- [Nov 87] THE CANYON DREAMS -OST- * CANYON DREAMS -OST- Edgar Froese/Paul Haslinger ---- 88 ---- ==== The Melrose Years (from Melrose Av, Private Music's street in LA) [May 88] OPTICAL RACE North American Tour 88 Poplar Creek Music Theater, Hoffman Estates, Illinois [25 Aug 88] Riverside Theater, Milwaukee [26 Aug 88] Ohio Theater, Columbus [29 Aug 88] Nautica Stage, Cleveland [30 Aug 88] Pine Knob Music Theater, Detroit [31 Aug 88] Massey Hall, Toronto [1 Sep 88] La Ronde, Montreal [2 Sep 88] Agora Theater, Quebec [3 Sep 88] Somerville Theater, Boston [6 Sep 88] Radio City Music Hall, New York City [7 Sep 88] Kennedy Center, Washington [8 Sep 88] Palace Theater, New Haven [9 Sep 88] Tower Theater, Philadelphia [10 Sep 88] Van Wezel Auditorium, Sarasota [14 Sep 88] Cameo Theater, Miami [15 Sep 88] Saenger Theater, New Orleans [17 Sep 88] Starplex Amphitheater, Dallas [18 Sep 88] California Auditorium, San Diego [21 Sep 88] Wiltern Theater, Los Angeles [22 Sep 88] Berkeley Community Center, Berkeley [24 Sep 88] Paramount Theater, Seattle [27 Sep 88] Queen Elizabeth Theater, Vancouver [28 Sep 88] [??? 88] DEAD SOLID PERFECT -OST- [??? 88] MIRACLE MILE -OST- ---- 89 ---- [Aug 89] LILY ON THE BEACH [??? 89] CATCH ME... IF YOU CAN -OST- [??? 89] DESTINATION BERLIN -OST- Edgar Froese/Paul Haslinger/Jerome Froese ---- 90 ---- 'Brand'n'Burger Concert', Werner-Seelenbinder-Halle, E.Berlin [20 Feb 90] [Jul 90] MELROSE British Tour 90 Assembly Hall, Worthing [25 Oct 90] Hammersmith Odeon, London [26 Oct 90] Hammersmith Odeon, London [27 Oct 90] Apollo, Manchester [28 Oct 90] Royal Centre, Nottingham [29 Oct 90] City Hall, Sheffield [30 Oct 90] Edinburgh Playhouse, Edinburgh [31 Oct 90] St.Georges Hall, Bradford [2 Nov 90] Civic Hall, Wolverhampton [3 Nov 90] Apollo, Oxford [4 Nov 90] Colston Hall, Bristol [6 Nov 90] ANTARKTIS [??? 90] L'AFFAIRE WALLRAFF (THE MAN INSIDE) -OST- ---- 91 ---- [??? 91] ONE NIGHT IN MEDINA/I JUST WANT TO RULE MY OWN LIFE WITHOUT YOU ---- 92 ---- [??? 92] HIGHWAY TO HELL -OST- ==== The Seattle Years (from Miramar Productions' location, Seattle) Edgar Froese/Jerome Froese [??? 92] ROCKOON [??? 92] QUINOA [??? 92] TYGER-CD double bonus remix/additions Edgar Froese/Jerome Froese/Zlatko Perica/Linda Spa North American Tour 92 [Oct 92] 220 VOLT LIVE Music Hall, Toronto [4 Oct 92] Place des Arts, Montreal [5 Oct 92] Berklee Performance Center, Boston [8 Oct 92] Beacon Theater, New York City [9 Oct 92] Upper Derby Tower Theater, Philadelphia [10 Oct 92] Lisner Auditorium, Washington [13 Oct 92] Palace Theater, Columbus [14 Oct 92] Shriver Hall, Baltimore [15 Oct 92] Front Row Theater, Cleveland [16 Oct 92] Vic Theater, Chicago [17 Oct 92] Fox Theater, Detroit [20 Oct 92] ???, Seattle [25 Oct 92] THREE PHASE -OST- San Juan Capistrano Coach House [28 Oct 92] Wiltern Theater, Los Angeles [30 Oct 92] Ventura Theater, Ventura [1 Nov 92] ---- 93 ---- [??? 93] DREAMTIME ---- 94 ---- [??? 94] TURN OF THE TIDES [??? 94] STORY OF THE BRAVE [Sep 94] TYRANNY OF BEAUTY (just EF/JF) ---- 95 ---- [Apr 95] THE DREAM MIXES (just EF/JF) S.I.R. Theater, Los Angeles [12 Jul 95] ==== The Castle? Years (from the record company, Castle Productions) ---- 96 ---- [??? 96] ZONING -OST- (just EF/JF) [??? 96] OASIS -OST- [Jul 96] GOBLINS' CLUB (just EF/JF) Shepherds Bush Empire, London [30 Nov 1996] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 4:00 am Subject: Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message Really-From: Mark Filipak -snip- > --------------------------------------------------------------- > ======================== > Quick Chronology > ======================== Sorry fellow listees. I didn't intend my previous post to go to the list. Please excuse the bandwidth consumption. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 6:42 am Subject: (no subject) Really-From: Mark Filipak who ambient who tadream who space-music Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2263 (no subject) Greg Heil Thu 4/3/1997 2 KB 2270 Re: (no subject) Grant Middleton Thu 4/3/1997 2 KB 3683 (no subject) Olivier Rech Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB 3684 Dream Mixes RealAudio Sean Montgomery Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB 3686 More TD RealAudio Sean Montgomery Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB 11209 (no subject) Nick.Adams@C... Fri 2/20/1998 2 KB 11210 (no subject) Nick.Adams@C... Fri 2/20/1998 2 KB 11216 (no subject) Nick.Adams@C... Fri 2/20/1998 5 KB 11975 (no subject) Geir Eilertsen Fri 3/13/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 6:45 am Subject: Who? Really-From: Mark Filipak Sorry folks. I goofed. Meant those requests to go to the majordomo servers of course. Please pardon the interruption. Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 2:10 pm Subject: Re: can you post this Really-From: Jeff Kortsch tadream mailing list wrote: > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Subject: ĦĦMAKE MONEY!! -easy and legal > From: DOLLAR > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 01:25:40 +0100 > Message-ID: <33010DFB.72F8@m...> > > Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life. > It probably took five minutes to receive! This kind of spamming only sucks up bandwidth and clogs mailboxs. Why don't you post this at dontcare@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 8:26 pm Subject: Really-From: Armin Theissen > >If I wanted to make my cat more psychotic than she already is, which >might almost be impossible, I could blare Alpha Centaury, (I think that's >the correct spelling), or KS Erlitche'. I know from experience that my >cat doesn't like Velvet Underground or too much John Zorn. > > >scott K. Lawlor >http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor > > Not Alpha Centaury, but Alpha Centauri, genitive singluar of 'Centaurus' (latin, though 'alpha' is greek). Armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Mark's Tourlist Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...> >>Subject: Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message >>Really-From: Mark Filipak >>Old Waldorf, San Francisco [20 Nov 80]<< Actually, this show was at the Warfield.(My all-time favorite concert) Also, there were two shows in L.A. at the Wiltern during the '88 tour. >>Bob<< From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Kirby's Cat Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...> >>I've noticed that our cat reacts similarly to just about every TD album: she >>stares vacantly into space, occasionally begs for food, and eventually goes back >>to sleep. That's funny. There's a number of people here in San Francisco who act this way. You don't suppose they're TD fans do you? >>Bob<< From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 2:32 pm Subject: A few Videos for Sale Really-From: Vic Rek I've got a few original VHS NTSC format Tangerine Dream related videos for sale: 1. Oasis (all orig. TD music) new $20 2. Red Heat (TD strk) new $15 3. The Soldier (TD strk) used $9 4. Vision Quest (some TD in strk) new $10 5. The Gate (strk by M. Hoenig) new $9 6. The Blob (strk by M. Hoenig) new $10 7. Sorcerer (TD strk) new $18 E-mail me privately if interested. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 4:14 pm Subject: new cassette available Really-From: slawlor Hi there. I wanted to let you know about the release of my first full length cassette 'Little Moments.' This recording features a variety of tracks from the quiet and serene passages in 'Immortal Love', to the dance oriented rhythms in 'Eve of Morning' and Limitless Visibility.' To learn more about this new and exciting release, visit the following page: http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor/music/index.html. There you will find a song list and sound samples of some of the material on the cassette. To purchase this tape, leave me electronic mail inquiring about the details.  scott K. Lawlor http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 4:35 pm Subject: The Dream Roots Really-From: 'Michael W. Daniels' Here and there I've seen mention of a 5-disc set, The Dream Roots Collection that was supposed to be released last year. Was it? What is it? Mike Daniels From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 4:12 pm Subject: general ?s Really-From: kwb10@l... (Kenneth W. Beal) I am new to this list and have a couple of inquiries and comments. First...about myself. I'm currently working on my bachelors degree at california state university, fresno (in California), studying Education of the Deaf. I'm 46 years old...been at TD fan since 1986. I find that whatever direction TD goes there is always something to like about the music. Granted there are some selections that are not quite up to snuff, but then, everything can't be a '10', just as every person isn't a '10'. I mean, I enjoy listening to whatever era of TD music suits my fancy at any given time. I even (now don't banish me from the list for this) like disco (my age is showing). Anyway, just wanted to say hello Oh, almost forgot, are there any places on the internet that are good for buying and selling used electronic music CDs? Talk to ya all later. ken kwb10@l... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 5:58 pm Subject: Re: Spherical Harmonics Really-From: rch@g... At 16:07 14/02/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Vic Rek > > >Spherical Harmonics Information. > >Details: >Spherical Harmonics One - UK Mirage Sound CDV 103, Detroit USA 9/88?, rel. 1994 >Spherical Harmonics Part 2 - Italy? Magnificent Music Corp., CD-R, rel. 1995? > >Spherical Harmonics Part 2 nicely compliments the pressed CD bootleg release >of Spherical Harmonics One. > >The music quality is excellent on both! The is Tangerine Dream Live in 1988. > >This release is a limited edition CD-R by the 'The Magnificent Music >Corporation of Italy', whoever they are. > >Rumours have it that originally 70 copies were to be made, but I now hear >that there are about 100-120 copies floating around. The CD-R has the title >and some basic information printed on the disc. > >Part One comes with a color front cover insert (some copies) and Part 2 >comes with a color insert. There are no rear inserts on any of these that I >know of. > >There are great releases to have for the music. If you are into artwork >also, then these are lacking a bit in that respect, especially on Part 2. > >Vic > >P.S. I welcome any corrections or additional information from you die hard >collectors. > Sorry to correct you, Vic SH 1 has complete cover and inlay artwork! Some copies also have a small sticker on the front saying TD live 1988... Richard From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 7:56 pm Subject: Re: Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > > Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuli /Sasha Sekulich) > > > > Currently in possession of: Atem :) and Destination Berlin :))) > > > I think most on the list would suggest that you couldn't > have picked a more extreme two albums to start with. As > Gabe said, it'll be interesting to see which of these > (IMHO) two separate camps you end preferring. er, when did I say this? While it's true my first 2 TD albums were _Phaedra_ and _Rockoon_, I didn't suggest anything about the preferences...what camps do you mean? It usually seems to be either 'old TD' or 'all TD'. I don't know anybody who likes ONLY new TD. > Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates wanted? Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >but if list members would find a FULL listing of each tour's dates >useful, we could certainly provide that and indicate which ones we know >fantapes exist for. (In doing so, we would have to give much credit >to 'Voices in the Dunes' and its creators for info on concerts that no >fantape exists for.) Well, give credit to whom credit is due, but why not extend their (our ;-) work.. To make it a real reference list for us tape collectors, I'd like it to be in the format of kdm's 'The Works'. A list of all venues of a tour, and where a fantape is known he adds a (fantape exists, 112 min). Because, of course, we're also interested in those missing encores, aren't we ? The tracklist for the Berlin '87 show was announced during the radio broadcast, do you have it ? Thinking of it : 'official' radio broadcasts should be mentioned as well. -klaus- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 939 Complete tour lists? m.schaffer@i... Mon 2/17/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 10:32 pm Subject: Concert tape trade At 14:42 97·02·13 EST, you wrote: >Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...> >20) July 1995 LA S.I.R. Theater (one-off show) While cleaning my room I uncovered this heretofore thought lost 'gem' It's the edited master (the master, a 100 minute used at the venue. It was recorded over by a young nephew) which means I edited out some intro material (a false start by announcer) and some pluggery that bridged the encore. The volume the venue used was set too loud and it was only after listening to the tape did I discover that some idiot sound tech forgot to turn off a drum machine used as background music! This only lasts ~3-5 minutes into the performance. The sound quality is not the best/greatest and it's in monaural. The material is pretty much stuff from _Dream_Mixes_. Other things to note. Edgar's station is centre stage, apparently the first time since TD started performing. The guitarist was temporary and was being tried out by TD. He had a thick German accent and looked like a pierced, tattooed, long haired, version of a young Terry Gilliam. IMHO, I thought he was pretty good. The positive side is you get to hear our Tadream ML's very own Bob Forman yelling for Edgar to play guitar at the end. I'd be willing to trade a tape copy of this show for a tape copy of one of the following shows: 14) May-June 1986 USA tour LA - Universal Ampitheatre (did anybody else here but me, get the Tour Jacket?(mine's NFS, sorry) Or would like to sell me their _Le_Parc_ umbrella?) 16) August-Sept 1988 USA tour LA - Wiltern Theatre >19) Oct-Nov 1992 USA tour San Juan Capistrano - Coach House LA - Wiltern Theatre Any takers? Please contact off-list tnx 'The world of music is something on its own. It's absolutely dust-free, clear, and clean. Music is one of the most neutral things on earth. It symbolizes the 'highest frequency' of all art forms in its abstract, neutral manner.' - Edgar Froese /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 12:05 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream Evolution Really-From: TheSmitter@a... All right, are the SBM recordings really that much better??? I was hoping to avoid rebuying these TD cds but as it so happens, Tangram is my favorite (right above Force Majeure). Was it worth the extra money to you? I'm not so sure I would be able to tell the difference between the SBM and my Virgin copy. Larry << You haven't heard Tangram! You are deprived! You must get/listen to it. I think it is one of their best. I believe most folks on this list would agree. I think of Tangram and a TD staple. If you want to pick it up now, you are in luck because they just re-released it as an SBM with the original red cover. >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 4:58 am Subject: Re: Spherical Harmonics Really-From: Vic Rek >>P.S. I welcome any corrections or additional information from you die hard >>collectors. >> >Sorry to correct you, Vic > >SH 1 has complete cover and inlay artwork! >Some copies also have a small sticker on the front saying TD live 1988... > >Richard > Please describe the inlay artwork. Also please note! When we talk about bootleg releases you have to be aware that a title can be released in various configurations (i.e. no cover, no inlay, different covers, different color disc, etc.), so in this case you have identified a variant release of Spherical Harmonics One. Thanks for the additional information. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 7:22 am Subject: Re: various comments Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-02-14 13:30:26 EST, you write: << If I wanted to make my cat more psychotic than she already is, ........... scott K. Lawlor >> Strange! My daughter's cat never pays any attention, no matter what music is playing, or how loud. But, even during the most God-awful deafening racket emerging from the Hi-Fi, if someone should open the refrigerator in the next room, he's right there, drooling. He must have an excellent auditory filtration system. Phil N. P.S. -- TD content? Less than zero! Sorry! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 7:22 am Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-02-13 11:42:49 EST, you write: << Phil, I don't want to sound offensive, but did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. This doesn't sound like the usual sort of post from your quarter, or am I confusing you with some of the other Phil's on the list? >> Sorry, everyone, for my peevishness. I was thrown off AOL and Compuserve in no uncertain terms for trying to change my billing proceedures. And it took almost a week plus hours and hours of waiting on hold on the telepone, just to get through to customer service to put things 'right'. Oh, woe is me! My life is a living Hell. One of the many Phils on the list - Phil N. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 927 Re: pushing the hot buttons again PNaunton@a... Sun 2/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 7:22 am Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-02-13 15:36:02 EST, you write: << < Dozens` haven't done any >> Klaus Schulze (Now Playing!)? whoa there good buddy...lets not start a ks hasnt done anything decent thread.... ------------------------------------------------------------- No! I was talking about universal appeal. Which is not the same as 'good'. Music which appeals to a major quadrant. Something for everybody. KS's work is better than decent, IMO, or I wouldn't have a copy or two of everything he's ever done. --------------------------------------------------------------- >> if you don't have a significant element of discussion to add to the fray then it can be illiminated. > do u mean eliminated or illuminated? >> ----------------------------------- Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 7:21 am Subject: Re: Brain Catalog Number System Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-02-07 03:08:16 EST, Mark writes: << Hello all. Just a little off-topic so I'll be brief. My recollection is that Brain's original issues had olive green labels and '60 xxx' catalog numbers while the reissues had colorful labels and '0060 xxx' catalog numbers. >> I'm ignorant of these types of specifics, and I only have a few Brain LP recordings (mostly Klaus Schulze) and a few of these have no similarities in numbering to your examples. They might be bootlegs, I suppose. Schulze's Cyborg - 2/1078 Schulze's Moondawn - 1088 (0649) Schulze's Irrlicht - 1077 The rest more or less conform to your descriptions. Phil N. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 930 Re: Brain Catalog Number System Mark Filipak Sun 2/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 8:03 am Subject: 'Tangram' new release on Caroline Really-From: Mark Filipak Two days ago, 'Tangram' hit the shelves from Caroline (CAROL 1805-2). It has the same insert as the new Virgin SBM (TAND 11) but the funky purple backpaper similar to the Griffin release. And it has a sticker claiming that it is the digital master. I would assume that TAND 11 will not be available in the US now that the Caroline issue is out. -- Mark PS: I found this new Caroline issue at CD World for #10.47 and CD Universe for $10.42, both with web pages and both are mail order. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 8:25 am Subject: Re: Brain Catalog Number System Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-02-07 03:08:16 EST, Mark writes: > > << > Hello all. Just a little off-topic so I'll be brief. My recollection > is that Brain's original issues had olive green labels and '60 xxx' > catalog numbers while the reissues had colorful labels and '0060 xxx' > catalog numbers. >> > > I'm ignorant of these types of specifics, and I only have a > few Brain LP recordings (mostly Klaus Schulze) and a few of these have > no similarities in numbering to your examples. They might be bootlegs, > I suppose. > Schulze's Cyborg - 2/1078 > Schulze's Moondawn - 1088 (0649) > Schulze's Irrlicht - 1077 Phil. Yours are using Brain's original numbering system. It was then changed to 60.xxx numbers (80.xxx for double albums) and finally to 0060.xxx numbers (0080.xxx for doubles). Apparently reissues were not distingushed, so my recollection was wrong. As a note of interest, RCA reissues did not have the 'eyeballs on pedistals' on each side of the album name that distinguished the original issues. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 5:06 pm Subject: Animal Instincts Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Has anyone else noticed varying/qualitative responses to TD amongst the >non-human animal kingdom? Our cat, Baggins, used to get up and walk out if we put TD on. It didn't matter what era, flavour, style...whatever: off he would go. Sometimes, he would go to his litter tray. He was also fond of ambling into the studio, padding across the master keyboard and reprogramming _all_ of the modules as he went by stepping on the program buttons... **** Important University program on BBC2 called 'open saturday' which is playing the most gorgeous piece of TD inspired music. It's very close to 'Love on a Real Train'. Is this TD? Anyone care to have a listen next time this program airs and put me out of my misery... **** Normal programming will now resume... Our three Dalmatians generally snooze through TD. But that's probably because they're fat, lazy and thick and would probably sleep through the arrival of the four horsemen of the apocalypse. Cheers David From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 5:58 pm Subject: Names in general Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: Armin Theissen > > I just checked and YOU'RE WRONG! > > If I write 'Armin Theissen' and do the Microsoft Word spell check, > I get 'Armenia theism'. However, if I do this common mistake almost > any british/irish/american does, namely mis-spelling my second name > to 'Thiessen' (notice the order of 'i' and 'e'), then the result > is as yours ('Thinnes'). > Oops. Sorry. On the subject of names, has anyone else noticed that there seems to be very few 'normal' names on this list. Now before anyone takes exception to that, I include myself in that list. Of course, since this is a very cosmopolitan list perhaps some of those I consider unusual are actually common in particular countries. But what a collection we have, just from Britain and North America : Cordrey, Yedid, Goudreault (although I obviously see the French influence there), Filipak, Maggio (Italian?) and the others I haven't mentioned. Lars seems to have the only 'common' name I know of (Jones), but then again, maybe it's not very common in America? Is there some connection between unusual names, intellect and TD music? Or am I just off the edge again? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1006 Re: Names in general Brian_Kirby@p... Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 6:15 pm Subject: Re: Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > As > > Gabe said, it'll be interesting to see which of these > > (IMHO) two separate camps you end preferring. > > er, when did I say this? While it's true my first 2 TD albums were > _Phaedra_ and _Rockoon_, I didn't suggest anything about the > preferences...what camps do you mean? It usually seems to be either 'old > TD' or 'all TD'. I don't know anybody who likes ONLY new TD. Sorry if it wasn't you Gabe. Someone posted before me to say they'd be interested to see how this new 'fan's tastes would develop/change as he listened to more albums. That's what I meant about camps. Will he plump for preferring the OLD stuff or the NEW stuff. I think there are a few people on the list who prefer the post-Franke stuff (or certainly late-Franke). --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 1:30 pm Subject: 'Types' of listees Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > > > As > > > Gabe said, it'll be interesting to see which of these > > > (IMHO) two separate camps you end preferring. > > > > er, when did I say this? While it's true my first 2 TD albums were > > _Phaedra_ and _Rockoon_, I didn't suggest anything about the > > preferences...what camps do you mean? It usually seems to be either > > 'old TD' or 'all TD'. I don't know anybody who likes ONLY new TD. > > Sorry if it wasn't you Gabe. Someone posted before me to > say they'd be interested to see how this new 'fan's tastes > would develop/change as he listened to more albums. That's > what I meant about camps. Will he plump for preferring the > OLD stuff or the NEW stuff. I think there are a few people > on the list who prefer the post-Franke stuff (or certainly > late-Franke). Gabe hit it right on the head, as he so often does. This list seems to be divided into two 'camps'. One camp I shall call the 'analogue' fans, for obvious reasons. The other camp I shall call the 'pragmatic' fans. I count myself among the 'pragmatic' fans. I like all TD. I don't prefer any particular period. I'm thankful that whatever my mood, there seems to be a TD album to match. I'm not wildly enthusiastic about _every_ album, there are some I'm lukewarm about, but I can't group them into any particular period because they are spread out in time across all incarnations of the band. What's confusing the issue, IMHO, is that some 'analogue' fans continue to insist that the division I describe is untrue; that the real division is between 'OLD' stuff and 'NEW' stuff. I don't see it that way, I never saw it that way, I see no profit in seeing it that way, and I wish certain 'analogue' fans would just accept the fact that their view of the situation is not accurate. To quote Gabe, 'I don't know anybody who likes ONLY new TD'. I realize this is getting to be a meta-arguement and will now bow out leaving this, my $2/100, behind. Regards -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 2:23 am Subject: Ash Ra Tempel/Feb 11th,97 in Osaka Japan Really-From: kawahara@g... (HERETIC) Hi, I had experienced the concert of Ash Ra Tempel in Osaka,Japan on Feb 11th. Yes,Ash Ra Tempel,not Ash Ra. the member and the song list are the following; member: Manuel Gottsching(g,key) Harald Grosskopf(ds) Lutz Ulbrich(g,key) Steve Baldes(key) songs list; 1.Echo Waves (Inventions For Electric Guitar '74) 2.Twelve Samples (Walkn' the Desert '89) 3.Six Voices (Walkn' the Desert '89) 4.Code Blue (Belle Alliance '80) ---unknown--- 5.Four Guitars (Walkn' the Desert '89) 6.Sunrain (New Age of Earth '76) 7. ---unknown--- 8.:encore Oasis (Correlations '79) 9.:encore2 ---unknown--- They played over two and half hours!!! the sound was splended. I'll review the article about this concert for EXPOSE'(U.S.A) Meanwhile,does someone know about Steve Baldes ? Dream On, Hiro Kawahara of HERETIC HERETIC HOME PAGE Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 989 Re: Ash Ra Tempel/Feb 11th,97 in Osaka Japan TWeibre361@a... Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 3:31 am Subject: sbm releases Really-From: AslanFan1@a... Whoa! Tangram released SBM version???? Please, for the sake of clarification, was this released in the US, the UK, or what? Since this list is made up of members around the world, it would be helpful to state which country the releases mentioned originated from. In response to the question regarding Dream Roots, I heard that it was cancelled from release in the US but in the UK, it is readily available. I got a copy from RPM Records, and the fifth disc of all new material contains a couple of gems. What is the release projection for the CD only of OASIS in the US? Anyone? Also, I have the Man Inside soundtrack and the Vinyl single that includes Dolphin Smile. How rare are these two items? I like them both very much. I will state, despite going against the grain, that I have really enjoyed a lot of the music from the 'Jerome' years. Especially Melrose, 220 Volts, Turn of the Tides and Dream Mixes. Sorry. It's not the same stuff as the Schmoelling era, but why would it be? It's still unlike anything else being produced, and frankly, I think some of it's pretty cool. There. I said it. (For those who love to bash Jerome, consider the early recordings of Edgar. Then think about the contribution Jerome's made. I enjoy his guitar work. I can't stand listening to Atem, Alpha Centauri or Electronic Meditation!) Let us remember that if you don't like something, that doesn't mean it sucks. You are making a statement about YOUR preferences, not the quality of the music being produced. While I don't care for some of the new stuff (At Darwin's Motel gives me a rash), I liked some of the 'older classics' just as little (Rising Runner, No Man's Land, Tiergarten, etc.) Does anyone else see the importance of distinguishing between a reaction to someone's music and a definitive statement about how good it is? Just wondering . . . [BIO] I'm 29, live in Colorado, do marketing/advertising for a living and listen to TD for fun. Took my dad to the 1986 Albuquerque concert. He was the oldest man there . . . and he loved it! By the way, that was not the music from LIVEMILES. Sorry this was so long. . . I was due for a little commentary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 941 Re: sbm releases PNaunton@a... Mon 2/17/1997 2 KB 1015 Re: sbm releases Mark Filipak Wed 2/19/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 4:00 am Subject: D: - - - - 'Turn Of The Tides' - - - - Really-From: PNaunton@a... 10-Feb-1997 Tangerine Dream 'Turn Of The Tides' Published - 1994 Purchased - 1994 Format - CD Label - Miramar Catalog - MPCD 2806 Personnel - Froese, Froese, Perica, Spa When I bought this CD in '94 I couldn't wait to get it on the player. When I did, though, I sat back to listen to what I hoped was a rebirth of the golden days of yesteryear, and the title seemed to prophesied just what I was hoping for. First the sound of thunder and then the sound of a horse and carriage. Then the strains of Modest Mussorgsky's 'Pictures At An Exhibition', as orchestrated by Maurice Ravel, emerged from my sound system and I leaped out of my chair with a flurry of profanity to find out who had switched the disc or the music or left the classical radio station on. But it was the right disc, and it was playing, and the music was coming through the speakers correctly. 'What's going on here.' I said. My tenuous grasp on reality was becoming less and less firm, and I thought the room was starting to spin. By this time the opening track was reaching its end and I began to notice the 'thunderstorm' and the 'horse and carriage' sound effects, as well as the trite chorded ending which made it sound like a Sunday Morning Mass Processional Hymn reaching a conclusion. I noticed that I was starting to mumble profanities again. Then followed the jangle of electronic notes and I was whiplashed back to my expected reality. I'm lucky I didn't get permanently injured from the abrupt change in direction. Aside from that initial surprise, I like this album. Admittedly it is alot of new age\pop\rock combo, but there is something intriguing about the concept of this collection. It is tied together with the mystique of Edgar's darkish tonalities, and that contrasts with the fluidity Spa's and Perica's musicianship. It all works and comes together in a CD which I find more satisfying than 'Goblins' Club'. I suppose this is because there is a common theme which, although loose in my opinion, is more of a binder enclosing the different selections. 'GC' is just too scattered to maintain any continuity from one tune to the next. Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 3:53 pm Subject: D: Turn of the Tides Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' *** Standard Disclaimer : All My Own Opinion *** This was the first TD CD I bought after joining the list. The first one that I had warning was going to be released and sostarted searching for it immediately. And soon found it. I think this has a definite shift from the other Seattle Years stuff. It's more pop-y, rocky, whatever. Jungle Journey and Turn of the Tides are outrageous pop tunes, the latter reminding me of one of my old Wham! albums from the early 80's. Having said that, for some reason I liked this album when I first got it. Liked it for a long time, in fact. Only in the last month or so (after listening to other things, including Goblin's Club) I have come to not enjoy it as much, for some reason. Maybe because I always felt it was better than Tyranny of Beauty and now it's not as good as the new album. So, this one gets a 3AS, although as time passes, even this score is pushing it. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 957 Re: D: Turn of the Tides Dennis Nigbur Mon 2/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 1:41 pm Subject: Complete tour lists? Really-From: m.schaffer@i... > > Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) > > Well, give credit to whom credit is due, but why not extend their > (our ;-) work.. To make it a real reference list for us tape collectors, > I'd like it to be in the format of kdm's 'The Works'. A list of all > venues of a tour, and where a fantape is known he adds a (fantape exists, > 112 min). John and I did discuss this. There are pros and cons. Pros: Completeness, of course - with a full list, you'd be able to check what was potentially available - even if there's currently no extant tape available. Plus, I'm sure some people would be interested in this information anyway! Cons: From an accuracy point of view, we can only truly substantiate those tapes we know of, and it is a tape-cataloguing exercise, after all. (Personally, I'm with the pros on this one.) > Because, of course, we're also interested in those missing > encores, aren't we ? Not 'arf! Ask John, he knows all about missing encores :) > > The tracklist for the Berlin '87 show was announced during the radio > broadcast, do you have it ? Yes, but much to our chagrin (well, mine at least) it wasn't complete. However, a fuller version should be on its way soon! > Thinking of it : 'official' radio broadcasts > should be mentioned as well. Should they? I think we should stick to one endeavour at a time! Otherwise the remit could extent to television, written media.......we'd go mad. (Well, madder than we already are, anyway) Mark -- =============================================================================== Mark Schaffer 'Fourth gentleman required to share large Department Of Mathematics Hampstead gentleman.' Imperial College (Monty Python's Flying Circus) LONDON SW7 2BZ Tel 0171 - 589 5111 x58619 =============================================================================== From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 2:01 pm Subject: Mark's trade/sell list Really-From: Mark Filipak To request my trade/sell list, mailto:filipak@k... IDM, electonica, ambient, prog, more... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 942 Re: Mark's trade/sell list Kenneth W. Beal Mon 2/17/1997 2 KB 944 Re: Mark's trade/sell list Mark Filipak Mon 2/17/1997 8 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 2:45 pm Subject: Re: sbm releases Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-02-16 22:32:43 EST, you write: << Does anyone else see the importance of distinguishing between a reaction to someone's music and a definitive statement about how good it is? Just wondering . . . >> Uh, nope. Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 2:19 pm Subject: Re: Mark's trade/sell list Really-From: kwb10@l... (Kenneth W. Beal) >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >To request my trade/sell list, mailto:filipak@k... >IDM, electonica, ambient, prog, more... I request your list. thanx ken kwb10@l... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 10:14 pm Subject: Is there any need for this? Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Really-From: kwb10@l... (Kenneth W. Beal) >I even (now don't banish me from the list for this) like >disco (my age is showing). Ladies and Gents : are we kind and generous enough to admit this disco fan to our happy throng? Or do we have to draw the line somewhere? ;) Cheers David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 945 Re: Is there any need for this? Mark Filipak Mon 2/17/1997 2 KB 946 Re: Is there any need for this? Mark Filipak Mon 2/17/1997 2 KB 948 Re: Is there any need for this? Vincent Goudreault Mon 2/17/1997 3 KB 960 Re: Is there any need for this? Plumer, Scott Mon 2/17/1997 3 KB 962 Re: Is there any need for this? Sean Montgomery Mon 2/17/1997 2 KB 967 Re: Is there any need for this? Gabe Yedid Tue 2/18/1997 3 KB 972 Re: Is there any need for this? Sean Montgomery Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB 996 Re: Is there any need for this? TWeibre361@a... Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB 997 Re: Is there any need for this? Capel Martyn Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 3:42 pm Subject: Re: Mark's trade/sell list tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: kwb10@l... (Kenneth W. Beal) > > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > > >To request my trade/sell list, mailto:filipak@k... > >IDM, electonica, ambient, prog, more... > > I request your list. > > thanx > > ken > > kwb10@l... My trade/sell list Mark Filipak 333 Cobalt Way Suite 107 Sunnyvale CA 94086 USA I prefer to trade and welcome your trade list. Prices are for people who gotta have it and have no trade list or have nothing I want. __Shipping_to_addresses_in_North_America__ US/Canada/Mexico - shipping is by first class post (approx 4 days) CDs to US/Canada/Mexico - shipping is included LPs to US/Canada/Mexico - shipping is included __Shipping_to_addresses_outside_North_America__ Outside North America - shipping is by air freight (approx 1 week) CDs outside North America (without the jewelcase) - shipping is included (disc and paper separately bagged and mailed in heavy cardboard mailer) CDs outside North America (with the jewelcase) - add $1.50 per album (disc internally and externally padded - heavy cardboard mailer) LPs outside North America - add $2 per album __Optional_Insurance__ Add 10 percent to price (after any discount) for all destinations __Discounts__ (Quantities reduce shipping cost) 1 CD - no discount 2-4 CDs - take $.50 off the cost of each CD (including the 1st one) 5+ CDs - take $.75 off the cost of each CD (including the 1st one) LPs - sorry, no discount __Payment__ US funds only. No credit cards. US checks and international money orders are okay but require 2 weeks. Checks drawn against non-US banks will _not_ be accepted. If sending cash (US currency only), hide well and registered letter is recommended but I cannot be responsible for it under any circumstances. 'nuf business - on with the show _idm_ $15 1-CD The Sabres of Paradise 'Versus Chemical Bros, Depth Charge, LFO, Nightmare on Wax: Recut scenes from the Haunted Dancehall' 8 tracks [1995] Sony/Warp (Japan), SRCS 7674 Japanese release includes 2 bonus tracks not found on UK version. $9 1-CD System7 'power of seven' [1996] Hypnotic, CLP 9809-2 $6 1-CD5 Chemical Brothers (for Chem Bros completists) 'Life Is Sweet' [1995] Virgin, ASW6162PRCD (radio promo) Three radio edits from 'Exit Planet Dust' TT: 10:11 _electronica/dub_ $8 1-CD Mouse On Mars 'vulvaland' [1994] too pure, 9 43015-2 Hear here: http://american.recordings.com/audio.shtml#too_pure _ethnic-ambient_ $9 1-CD Khan & Taschner 'Black Marble & Sweet Fire' [1995] Hearts Of Space, HS11061-2 Review: http://www.hos.com/hs11061/index.html _ambient/dark-ambient/spacemusic_ $10 1-CD Robert Fripp '1999 Soundscapes-Live in Argentina' [1994] Discipline, DGM 9402 2 See: http://192.41.14.72/possible/sig2.html (different cover!) $10 1-CD Lustmord *** Reserved 'til Monday, Feb 24. *** 'Heresy' [1990] Soleilmoon, SOL-9-CD See: http://www.soleilmoon.com/catalog/sol.html _progressive/symphonic_rock_ $30 1-LP SFF (Schicke, Fuhrs, Frohling) 'Ticket to Everywhere' [1979] Brain (Germany), 0060.173 Legendary German sythesizer band's third, and last album. disk: mint (no pops, no sizzle, no scratches, _dead_quiet_) cover: very good (slight balding at corners, no frays) $15 1-LP SFF (Schicke, Fuhrs, Frohling) 'Symphonic Pictures' [1976] Brain (Germany), 60.010 Their first album. disk: good (Green label; 3/8' round tear in label where the store cretins stuck price sticker, some pops, some sizzle, no scratches) cover: mint $9 1-CD Paul Haslinger 'Future Primitive' [1994] Wildcat, WLD-9211 $9 1-CD Friedmann Witecka 'Voyager in Expanse' [1986] Sanyo Electric (Japan), inak 860 CD Mastered by DADC, Austria. Digital Master, Reference Edition Recordings from Jan 1979 to Jan 1983, 14 tracks. TT: 51:35 $8 1-CD TONTO's Expanding Head Band 'TONTO Rides Again' [1996] Viceroy Vintage, VIN6036-2 The Original New Timbral Orchestra (TONTO) CD reissue of 'Zero Time' [1974] plus 7 bonus tracks. _classical_indian_ $18 2-CD Ravi Shankar 'Concert for Peace, Royal Albert Hall' [1995] Moment, MRCD 1013 with Zakir Hussain (tabla) and Partho Sarathy (sarod) (Oops, I bought a second copy by mistake) Note: count as 1 CD for shipping and discounting $6 1-CD Various street musicians 'Festival Music of Kerala' [1994] JVC (Japan), VICG-5350-2 _new age_ $8 1-CD Tomita 'Snowflakes are Dancing' [1982] RCA Red Seal, RCD14587 $8 1-CD Sequentia Ensemble for Medieval Music 'Ancient Music for a Modern Age' [1993] RCA Red, 09026-61868-2 13 tracks of medieval choral music, TT: 60:14 $6 1-CD Paul Winter Consort 'Icarus' [1984] Living Music, LD-0004 Band: Paul Winter, David Darling, Paul McCandless, Ralph Towner, Herb Bushler, Collin Walcott (guest: Paul Stookey) $4 1-CD Kitaro 'Asia' (digital master) [1984] Geffen, 24087-2 $4 1-CD Uakti 'I Ching' [1993] Point Music, D 102341 $4 1-CD Night Ark 'Moments' [1987] RCA, 3028-2-N These last 4 CDs are on hold until Saturday Feb 22nd. If the current buyer reneges, then each will be sold to the next person in line. I'm accepting requests now, so get in line if you want one of these. $4 1-CD Eric Tingstad, Nancy Rumbel, & David Lanz 'Woodlands' [1987] Narada Lotus, ND-61016 ocarina, english horn, oboe, piano, percusion, unspecfied synth, unspecified sequencer $4 1-CD Spencer Brewer (with ensemble) 'Portraits' [1987] Narada Lotus, ND-61017 piano, DX-7, Emulator II, cello, guitar, oboe, english horn, violin,, lyricon, clarinet, recorder, percussion, tabla, flute $4 1-CD Spencer Brewer (with ensemble) 'Shadow Dancer' [1984] Sona Gaia, CD-144 piano, DX-7, unspecified Moog, Roland string synth, unspecified Oberheim, gong, bells, guitar, saxophone, harmonica, cello, lyricon $4 1-CD Gabriel Lee 'Impressions' [1984] Narada Lotus, ND-61005 guitar (produced by Don Slepian) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 3:54 pm Subject: Re: Is there any need for this? Really-From: Mark Filipak Or was that 'Sister Moonshine'? ... Hmm, I think it was. Guess I was thinking of Governor Moonbeam. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 3:53 pm Subject: Re: Is there any need for this? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > Hi all, > > >Really-From: kwb10@l... (Kenneth W. Beal) > >I even (now don't banish me from the list for this) like > >disco (my age is showing). > > Ladies and Gents : are we kind and generous enough to admit this disco > fan to our happy throng? Or do we have to draw the line somewhere? ;) > > Cheers > David I'd say, if he can whistle the beginning of 'Sister Moonbeam' (just before the car horn) then we let him go. Otherwise he won't be 'stayin alive, stayin alive.' -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 11:04 pm Subject: Fuzz Box Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, Re : Really-From: Boneheads1@a... >>>intensely electrified. I remember an interview where Chris Franke was >>> >>>telling how on this album he took a polyphonic synth (I think it was >>>8-voice) >>>and put a separate fuzz box on each voice and people were wondering how >>>Edgar >>got his guitar to sound so big not knowing it was actually Chris' synth. I tried this at the weekend with my s950 sampler and three fuzz boxes each wired to one of the individual outputs. All I got was a complete blast of noise even with gentle distortion. It didn't sound like a 'guitar' at all. Just a bloody mess... ;) Any ideas? Cheers David np : neural network 'modernite'...any offers accepted i.e it's not my 'cup of tiffin'. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 4:07 pm Subject: Re: Is there any need for this? Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Feb 17, 3:14pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Is there any need for this? > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > > Hi all, > > >Really-From: kwb10@l... (Kenneth W. Beal) > >I even (now don't banish me from the list for this) like > >disco (my age is showing). > > Ladies and Gents : are we kind and generous enough to admit this disco fan > to our happy throng? Or do we have to draw the line somewhere? ;) > > Cheers > David > I say he should be quatered, impaled and burned at the stake for such heresy. But I am one of the merciful; let's hear from the nasty ones among us ;-) The inquisitor, C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 5:02 pm Subject: D:-[]-[]-'Tyger'-[]-[]- Really-From: PNaunton@a... 17-Feb-1997 Tangerine Dream 'Tyger' Published - 1987 Purchased - 1987 Format - LP Label - Caroline Catalog - CAROL 1341 Personnel - Froese, Franke, Haslinger (w/ Jocelyn Smith) I am not favorably disposed to this recording. It impresses me as pseudo-intellectual posturing. One of the things I like about Tangerine Dream is how their music stands well on its own terms. It owes very little allegiance, if any, to anything or anyone else. 'Tyger', though, seems to be either a tribute to or a enhancement of the William Blake poems. The result, for me is a weakening of both. Don't get me wrong, there is some excellent artistry here, and I appreciate that, but the work as a whole is not very satisfying. Naturally my favorite track off this LP is 'Alchemy Of The Heart'. (No Vocals!!) In fact this cut is on my homemade cassette recording of 'TD Prime Cuts'. That final rhythm break and culminating theme structure brings tears to my eyes, every time that I hear it. Haslinger is a genius. On a different subject; after 'Tyger' there are six more weeks of album discussions. What then? Are we starting over again, or moving on to solos or boots? Or are we concluding? Just curious about the state of feelings on the subject. Have a good. . . . Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 4:59 pm Subject: Re: Mark's trade/sell list - SPAM Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > My trade/sell list Sooorrreeeeyyy. I knew I was going to miss changing the 'Mail to' from 'tadream' to -whoever- sooner or later. I'll try not to let it happen again. 'I'll have your spam, I love it.' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 12:19 am Subject: Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On a different subject; after 'Tyger' there are six more weeks of album discussions. What then? Are we starting over again, or moving on to solos or boots? Or are we concluding? Just curious about the state of feelings on the subject. Have a good. . . . Phil N. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< switching to the solos would be a good idea. Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 6:26 pm Subject: What's Next? Really-From: Vic Rek > On a different subject; after 'Tyger' there are six more weeks of >album discussions. What then? Are we starting over again, or moving on to >solos or boots? Or are we concluding? Just curious about the state of >feelings on the subject. > I would suggest solo, but we would have to identify who would we cover and how much? I think these releases should take priority over any bootlegs. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 958 Re: What's Next? Plumer, Scott Mon 2/17/1997 2 KB 987 Re: What's Next? Vic Rek Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB 1017 Re: What's Next? PNaunton@a... Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 7:09 pm Subject: help / SBMs Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) Help, Can someone please tell me what Tangerine SBMs are currently available? I know Tangram is and I have Hyperborea and Theif and Encore as SBMS but what else? What about Force Majeure, Logos, Cyclone, Ricochet, Rubycon, Pergamon etc..... please let me know as soon as possible it is sort of an emergency. If you know you have one of the above as an SBM, it would be greatly greatly appreciated if you could e-mail me and let me know, thanks. Or an 'official' SBM list posted to tadream would be nice, anyone willing? thanks, lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 955 Re: help / SBMs Claude Roy Mon 2/17/1997 3 KB 956 Re: help / SBMs Mark Filipak Mon 2/17/1997 3 KB 961 Re: help / SBMs bill dorrans Mon 2/17/1997 2 KB 974 Re: help / SBMs STEPHEN M OTT Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB 1011 Re: help / SBMs jeffrey@i... Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 7:31 pm Subject: D: This week Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' My e-mail was down last week so I wasn't able to post it then. This week: Tyger. Should elicit some interesting commentary. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1429 D: This week Plumer, Scott Tue 3/4/1997 2 KB 1636 D: This week Plumer, Scott Mon 3/10/1997 2 KB 2167 D: This week Plumer, Scott Mon 3/31/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 9:07 pm Subject: Re: help / SBMs Really-From: Claude Roy Hi lars, At 14:09 97-02-17 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) > > >Help, > >Can someone please tell me what Tangerine SBMs are currently available? I >know Tangram is and I have Hyperborea and Theif and Encore as SBMS but what >else? What about Force Majeure, Logos, Cyclone, Ricochet, Rubycon, Pergamon >etc..... please let me know as soon as possible it is sort of an emergency. > They are all available here in Canada. Well for once, we seem to be lucky about something!! >If you know you have one of the above as an SBM, it would be greatly greatly >appreciated if you could e-mail me and let me know, thanks. > >Or an 'official' SBM list posted to tadream would be nice, anyone willing? > >thanks, > >lars > > ____________________________________ Claude Roy, Longueuil P.Q. Canada e-mail: http://pages.infinit.net/ozzz/gci/gcimain.htm ____________________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 8:58 pm Subject: Re: help / SBMs Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) > > Help, > > Can someone please tell me what Tangerine SBMs are currently available? > I know Tangram is and I have Hyperborea and Theif and Encore as SBMS > but what else? What about Force Majeure, Logos, Cyclone, Ricochet, > Rubycon, Pergamon etc..... please let me know as soon as possible it is > sort of an emergency. > > If you know you have one of the above as an SBM, it would be greatly > greatly appreciated if you could e-mail me and let me know, thanks. > > Or an 'official' SBM list posted to tadream would be nice, anyone > willing? > > thanks, > > lars Here's the digital masters according to my list (SBM I think is used just by Virgin to designate their digital masters) Electronic Meditation - Essential and Sequel releases Alpha Centauri - Essential and Sequel releases Ziet - Essential and Sequel releases Phaedra - Virgin TAND 5 Rubycon - Virgin (1995 release, but I don't know the catalog number) Encore Live - Virgin 7243 8 39443 2 3 Force Majeure - Virgin TAND 10 Pergamon - Essential and Sequel releases Tangram - Virgin TAND 11 and (new) Caroline CAROL 1805-2 Thief - Virgin TAND 12 Exit - Virgin TAND 13 White Eagle - Virgin 7243 8 39444 2 2 and Virgin TAND 2 Logos Live - Virgin 7243 8 39445 2 1 and Virgin TAND 3 Hyperborea - Virgin 7243 8 39446 2 0 and Virgin TAND 4 Poland (excerpts, 1CD) - Essential and Sequel releases Tyger (not original track 1) - Essential and Sequel releases Canyon Dreams and beyond were probably always digital Hope this helps. Anyone else with more info, please join in. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 1:55 am Subject: Re: D: Turn of the Tides Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 08:53:21 GB-EIRE tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > >*** Standard Disclaimer : All My Own Opinion *** > >I think this has a definite shift from the other Seattle >Years stuff. It's more pop-y, rocky, whatever. Jungle >Journey and Turn of the Tides are outrageous pop tunes, the >latter reminding me of one of my old Wham! albums from the >early 80's. Personally, Turn of the Tides (the individual song) didn't strike me as particularly inspired; I don't have the first idea about what people see in it. I think the album would have been well concluded after Midwinter Night, but there you go...apart from that, I agree with that TOTT was a pleasant exception from the other Seattle years stuff. Most of all, the album has an individual structure, as opposed to Tyranny of Beauty, which could easily keep the shuffle mode on your CD player busy... >Having said that, for some reason I liked this album when I >first got it. Liked it for a long time, in fact. Only in >the last month or so (after listening to other things, >including Goblin's Club) I have come to not enjoy it as >much, for some reason. Maybe because I always felt it was >better than Tyranny of Beauty and now it's not as good as >the new album. Again, I agree. Goblin's Club is definitely my favourite among the works they've had published after Livemiles. Tyranny of Beauty is a bit of a nondescript album; I like it better than Rockoon, but TOTT, 220 Volts and Goblin's Club grip me more. >So, this one gets a 3AS, although as time passes, even this >score is pushing it. I'd gladly give the 3AS. It sums up the album. Maybe it is pushed, appearing right between Rockoon and Tyranny of Beauty. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 9:18 pm Subject: RE: What's Next? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I would suggest solo, but we would have to identify who would we cover and >how much? I think these releases should take priority over any bootlegs. Whatever we do, I'm not doing it! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 2:38 am Subject: Albums From Extreme Ends Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Sat, 15 Feb 1997 14:56:41 -0500 (EST) tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > >On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > >> Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' >> >> >> > Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuli /Sasha Sekulich) >> > >> > Currently in possession of: Atem :) and Destination Berlin :))) >> > >> I think most on the list would suggest that you couldn't >> have picked a more extreme two albums to start with. As >> Gabe said, it'll be interesting to see which of these >> (IMHO) two separate camps you end preferring. > >er, when did I say this? While it's true my first 2 TD albums were >_Phaedra_ and _Rockoon_, I didn't suggest anything about the >preferences...what camps do you mean? It usually seems to be either 'old >TD' or 'all TD'. I don't know anybody who likes ONLY new TD. > > >> Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer > >Gabe Welcome to the club...well, my first albums were Cyclone and Lily on the Beach, and I still got hooked on TD; actually, I think that both of them aren't as bad as most people seem to think they are. It might be sentimental value, but I really like the eerie, destructive atmosphere of Cyclone (the title tells it all), as opposed to the light-hearted, optimistic rhapsody of Lily on the Beach. I wonder if anyone in the world agrees with that... Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 10:01 pm Subject: Re: Is there any need for this? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> >Really-From: kwb10@l... (Kenneth W. Beal) >> >I even (now don't banish me from the list for this) like >> >disco (my age is showing). > >> Ladies and Gents : are we kind and generous enough to admit this disco >> fan to our happy throng? Or do we have to draw the line somewhere? ;) >I'd say, if he can whistle the beginning of 'Sister Moonbeam' (just >before the car horn) then we let him go. Otherwise he won't be 'stayin >alive, stayin alive.' -- Mark Nope. Disco killed Progressive Rock, so he, as a disco fan, must be killed. I have contacts in Fresno that are on their way to his home now to kill him. He'll be dead by sunset unless he can tell me the winner and the score of the last Fresno State - Cal State Fresno game. :-) Seriously, though, I've always found it odd that TD never showed any disco influences during that era. Even Pink Floyd, the band that killed disco, showed some influence of it, but TD never did. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 962 Re: Is there any need for this? Sean Montgomery Mon 2/17/1997 2 KB 967 Re: Is there any need for this? Gabe Yedid Tue 2/18/1997 3 KB 972 Re: Is there any need for this? Sean Montgomery Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 10:55 pm Subject: Re: help / SBMs Really-From: korg@s... (bill dorrans) >get me outta here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 11:52 am Subject: Re: Is there any need for this? Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Seriously, though, I've always found it odd that TD never showed any > disco influences during that era. Even Pink Floyd, the band that killed > disco, showed some influence of it, but TD never did. Well, I always thought that parts of Rubicon resembled Donna Summer's 'Hot Stuff'. Of course, there's Network 23, but that was after disco had been planted in the earth (for a while, anyway). Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'I used to be indecisive, but now I just don't know' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 12:34 am Subject: RE: The TD Roots Collection and.... Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > The range of ages of TD's music lovers is probably 9 to 95 and, Make that 4 to 95. My 4-year-old loves them, even though he pronounces it 'Tangera Dream.' We listened to Thief on the way to and from sled-riding today and I saw him bobbing his head repeatedly to Dr. Destructo. > 2) Supernatural Fairy Tales - The Progressive Rock Era What's to discuss? There's no TD on it. It does have Golden Earring, though. Why, I have no idea. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 12:55 am Subject: RE: Something Controversial(sp) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > I have been on this least for well over a year now and I don't know if it >is >me but this list doesn't seem to be as good as it was when I first came >onto >it,I used to contribute to the discussions and enjoy reading the mails but >now >when I go into my mail folder and see loads of TD mail I just delete most A list is only as good as it's members. Perhaps you should contribute something. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 2:16 am Subject: Important Question ! Really-From: Jan Kerp Hi Folks... Does anyone of you kwow wether Klaus Beschorner can be trusted or not? (I wanna buy some CDs from him ;-) Greetings Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 966 Re: Important Question ! feldon@n... Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB 984 Re: Important Question ! Vic Rek Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB 998 Re: Important Question ! TWeibre361@a... Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 3:42 am Subject: Re: Important Question ! Really-From: feldon@n... At 03:16 AM 2/18/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: Jan Kerp > > >Hi Folks... > >Does anyone of you kwow wether Klaus Beschorner can be trusted or not? >(I wanna buy some CDs from him ;-) Yes. I asked him for the REAL recordings of Logos concert, sent him the money and after 2 weeks, I received them. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 3:53 am Subject: Re: Is there any need for this? Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Nope. Disco killed Progressive Rock, so he, as a disco fan, must be > killed. I have contacts in Fresno that are on their way to his home now > to kill him. He'll be dead by sunset unless he can tell me the winner > and the score of the last Fresno State - Cal State Fresno game. :-) Feeling a mite merciless today, are we Scott? > Seriously, though, I've always found it odd that TD never showed any > disco influences during that era. Even Pink Floyd, the band that killed > disco, showed some influence of it, but TD never did. There is the second section of 'Force majeure', Edgar's 'Detroit Snackbar Dreamer', and, a couple of years late, 'Choronzon' and 'Network 23'. > Scott > Gabe ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Yedid email: gabe@c... Dept. of Biology, McGill University bleo@m... Montreal, Quebec, Canada gyedid@p... 'Understanding is a three-edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth.' --Capt. John J. Sheridan, 'Babylon 5' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:00 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #835 Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' Hello, I am 18 and I guess you could say I am a new TD fan, especially when compared to what seems to be the average age on this mailing-list. I have been purchasing every TD CD I have been able to get my hands on (with the restriction of finances occasionally) since about 6 months ago. The first album I heard was Cyclone and I loved it. (my favorite part is on the third song when the flute sound comes in and sort of lifts the whole song up to another level) I just recently got Atem and Ricochet and love both. I heard Electronic Meditation at a Silver Platters record store and didn't really like it. I was then afraid to purchase Alpha Centauri but I did and loved it. I'm just letting anyone who cares know what its like to be a new fan...it seems as though a few of you were interested in that sort of thing. Dreamin', Maxwell (Up In The Sky) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:26 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #836 Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' Hey guys, I went to Tower Records over the weekend and I saw a new version of Tangram. I have one with a blue cover and the new one has a red cover. What's the difference? Maxwell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 971 Re: tadream-digest V15 #836 Sean Montgomery Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:42 am Subject: We are unique......damnit!! Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' Salutations, About the name commonality in light of an intellectual TD listener thread. Well, my name is Maxwell which is not common but not altogether rare either. I have never met anyone with the name Maxwell, although I have met a few 'just Max's'. I believe that we are all very unique in that we enjoy the abnormal (that is....abnormal to the rest of this damn world) sounds/music of what has got to be one of the greatest bands of all time. Why? Because they went beyond the acceptable boundaries of 'popular music'. They (TD) stuck with what they believed in and that is one of the many reasons I love listening to their work/art...you name it. I enjoy the individualistic flair that infuses me whenever I listen to TD. I especially enjoy when people in my dorm building drop by occasionally and say 'what the hell are you listening to', I love it when they have this look of confusion on their face as to something they will never understand. In conclusion, we are as I said unique, and we share a fairly simple love for a band that has seen us through both good and bad times. Yes Yes...even though I have only been a fan for about 6 months to a year I have had great epiphany's while listening to TD and they have helped through some of the bad days. We are all awsome, I love everyone one of you in that spaced-out T-dream way.... The reason that our names are uncommon is so that we have a first line of defense against the generic top 10 radio listeners who see music as nothing more then a background enjoyment. Forever dreamin', Maxwell A. Croy From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:34 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #836 Really-From: Sean Montgomery > I went to Tower Records over the weekend and I saw a new version of > Tangram. I have one with a blue cover and the new one has a red cover. > What's the difference? The colour. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'I used to be indecisive, but now I just don't know' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:50 am Subject: Re: Is there any need for this? Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Nope. Disco killed Progressive Rock You jest, i assume? Musical movements remain alive as long as they continue to entertain their audiences. Obviously, we live in a flavour of the month culture, but if enough people were still into the sounds of Yes and King Crimson, then we'd have more of that than Prodigy and Underworld...or Spice Girls, for that matter. Everyone is always free to thumb their nose at trends and stay with the bands they like. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'I used to be indecisive, but now I just don't know' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Babylon 5 Really-From: jan.willem@s... (Jan Willem Walraven Borst) Hello! Is the new Babylon 5 CD #2 already released in Holland? Made by Christopher Franke Greetings, Jan Willem --- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1002 Re: Babylon 5 Marcel Engels Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB 5186 Babylon 5 Michael A Jean Thu 6/19/1997 2 KB 5240 Babylon 5 David J. Hughes Sat 6/21/1997 3 KB 5244 Re: Babylon 5 Dennis Nigbur Sat 6/21/1997 3 KB 15572 Babylon 5 J. Lee Jolley Sat 4/10/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 2:35 am Subject: Re: help / SBMs Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) Hey, maybe my head's up my own butt, but what is an SBM ? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 3:40 pm Subject: spelling Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Here's the digital masters according to my list (SBM I think is used >just by Virgin to designate their digital masters) > >Electronic Meditation - Essential and Sequel releases >Alpha Centauri - Essential and Sequel releases >Ziet - Essential and Sequel releases >[...] >Hope this helps. Anyone else with more info, please join in. -- Mark > It is spelled 'ZEIT' and not 'ZIET', just the same old story as with 'Thiessen' (wrong) and 'Theissen' (right) ;) Armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 978 Re: spelling Craig R. J. Cordrey Tue 2/18/1997 3 KB 980 Re: spelling Levente.Toth Tue 2/18/1997 3 KB 981 spelling Armin Theissen Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB 985 Re: spelling Vic Rek Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 3:44 pm Subject: disco Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Nope. Disco killed Progressive Rock, so he, as a disco fan, must be >killed. I have contacts in Fresno that are on their way to his home now >to kill him. He'll be dead by sunset unless he can tell me the winner >and the score of the last Fresno State - Cal State Fresno game. :-) > >Seriously, though, I've always found it odd that TD never showed any >disco influences during that era. Even Pink Floyd, the band that killed >disco, showed some influence of it, but TD never did. > >Scott > My attitude is to give *any* kind of music a listen and pick the things out of it which I like. This may well contain disco, techno, bavarian brass bands,.... disco influence? Hm: Network 23 (appears in a discotheque in this infamous Tatort 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' in different pitch - in the movie, not the soundtrack). Midnight in Thula? Well, wouldn't call it disco, but listen to the bassline. Armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 3:47 pm Subject: tangram cover Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Hey guys, >I went to Tower Records over the weekend and I saw a new version of >Tangram. I have one with a blue cover and the new one has a red cover. >What's the difference? >Maxwell > The red cover is the original artwork as it appeard on Vinyl back in 1980. The vinyl inside sleeve showed two photographs of a giant Tangram logo (seemed to be put together from seven Tangram mirrors) in a winter landscape and a forest, in some corner a tiny photograph of Jerome. Armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 3:54 pm Subject: Re: spelling Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: Armin Theissen > > > It is spelled 'ZEIT' and not 'ZIET', just the same old story as with > 'Thiessen' (wrong) and 'Theissen' (right) > > ;) > > Armin Well, if you damn foreigners would follow basic English rules, we'd all know how to spell correctly. Remember - 'I before E except after C'. 8-))))))))) --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:03 pm Subject: Re: New Fan Albums Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' > > > Hello, > The first album I heard was Cyclone and I loved it. [snip] > I just recently got Atem and Ricochet and love both. > I heard Electronic Meditation at a Silver Platters record store and > didn't really like it. I was then afraid to purchase Alpha Centauri > but I did and loved it. > I'm just letting anyone who cares know what its like to be a new > fan...it seems as though a few of you were interested in that sort of > thing. Have you made a conscious decision to buy TD'searlier material, or are these just the titles you've been able to find? For new fans like this, would anyone agree that buying albums in progressive chronoligal order would help make the transition between old and new? I know we've seen a couple of examples just recently of people buying old and new together and still liking them, but I can't help but think that someone who has a lot of the early stuff would have a heart-attack if they then bought Rockoon or Tyrrany of Beauty. If the albums were bought in some order, the gentler evolution might be easier to stand (and understand). Or am I talking b******s again? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 9:17 am Subject: Re: spelling Really-From: 'Levente.Toth' > > > > Armin > Well, if you damn foreigners would follow basic English > rules, we'd all know how to spell correctly. Remember - 'I > before E except after C'. > > 8-))))))))) > > --------------------------------------------- > Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer > GEC-Marconi S3I > Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) > > E-mail : cordrey@m... > cordrey@m... > --------------------------------------------- hehehehe, well, English is full of so many logical rules about spelling and prononciation....I can't contain myself. Sorry, this just had to come out.... Levente -- **************************************************************** * Levente Toth (levi@c...) - Centre for Intelligent * * Systems, University of Plymouth, Drake Circus, Plymouth * * Devon,England WEB: www.cis.plym.ac.uk/cis/levi/home.html * * Tel: 44-1752-233514, 233516 / Fax: 44-1752-232583 * **************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:22 pm Subject: spelling Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) >>>>>>>>>>> > > It is spelled 'ZEIT' and not 'ZIET', just the same old story as with > 'Thiessen' (wrong) and 'Theissen' (right) > Well, if you damn foreigners would follow basic English rules, we'd all know how to spell correctly. Remember - 'I before E except after C'. >>>>>>>>>>>> the combination 'ei' is pronounced like the english 'i'. the combination 'ie' is like a long 'e' (like in 'tea' - why the hell do you have the 'a' in 'tea'???) Right now, they introduced new rules in german orthography which is a complete mess in my opinion. Instead of 'Spaghetti', you have to write 'Spagetti' now (without 'h'), which would make an italian pronounce it like 'spadjetti'... enough on that topic armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 10:14 am Subject: Re: Important Question! Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >Really-From: Jan Kerp >Does anyone of you kwow wether Klaus Beschorner can be trusted or not? >(I wanna buy some CDs from him ;-) Jan, I guess you only subscribed recently to this list, so you couldn't know...but what you ask there is like asking if anyone of us knows whether Bill Clinton is president of the USA, or if Tangerine Dream ever recorded any electronic music... :-) Without Klaus, there would be quite a number of people here on the list looking at more empty space on their TD shelves...In other words, do not worry, you can definitely count on Klaus! Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 5:30 pm Subject: Really-From: ashok prema From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 03:16:07 +0100 Subject: Important Question ! Really-From: Jan Kerp Hi Folks... Does anyone of you kwow wether Klaus Beschorner can be trusted or not? (I wanna buy some CDs from him ;-) Klaus is a genuine TD lover - and is as straight as they come!...........er......just don't get on the wrong side of him or his baseball bat may come visiting!!! Ha! HA! Really though - a good 'un! Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1014 Ciro A. Rodriguez Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB 1041 Ciro A. Rodriguez Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB 1045 Chris Curran Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB 1048 Re: Brian_Kirby@p... Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB 1054 Re: Mark Filipak Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB 1100 Re: Mark Filipak Fri 2/21/1997 3 KB 1126 paula@J... Fri 2/21/1997 2 KB 1339 Martin R. Mckee Fri 2/28/1997 2 KB 1446 Armin Theissen Wed 3/5/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 1:00 pm Subject: Re: Important Question ! Really-From: Vic Rek >Hi Folks... > >Does anyone of you kwow wether Klaus Beschorner can be trusted or not? >(I wanna buy some CDs from him ;-) > >Greetings >Jan > Is the Pope Catholic or did you come from the Pink Floyd discussion group? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 1:00 pm Subject: Re: spelling Really-From: Vic Rek > >It is spelled 'ZEIT' and not 'ZIET', just the same old story as with >'Thiessen' (wrong) and 'Theissen' (right) > >Armin > Hey Armin, Since I've seen your last name up for discussion so many times, why don't you make it as simple as mine? Change it to Tysen. Vic Rek From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 1:06 pm Subject: d:what's next, a suggestion Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) > On a different subject; after 'Tyger' there are six more weeks of >album discussions. What then? Are we starting over again, or moving on to >solos or boots? >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>I would suggest solo, but we would have to identify who would we cover and >>how much? I think these releases should take priority over any bootlegs. >Whatever we do, I'm not doing it! I agree, I think solos should be next; I volunteer to take scott's job (which is just compiling and listing the D:album of the week, right?). I know a few people object to the D:list but I say: 'let them hit the delete key' I've found it very educational and have enjoyed reading other people's posts tremendously! The real question to be solved is in what order and who. 2 weeks ago we saw the 'TD has more members than Spinal Tap' thread so we can't do them all nor can we do them all alphabetically. Obviously, we need a consensus on the included artists and criteria, EG: Klaus Schulze could be included but really should be discussed on 'space music' since this is tadream and not a KS list. In order to make the discussion as widely inclusive as possible and not to get sidetracked by endless weeks of D:'x' which no one has or cares to own, I think that we should set some basic threshold for inclusion (such as 5 or 10 people on the list must actually have the cd/album/tape). I realize that a review of some 'obscure' works might actually be quite good and the discussion might broaden people's interest in that artist/work. So what I propose is this: We cover ONLY a select FEW of the artists from scott's spinal tap list and do so alphabetically (most guests/studio musicians should be deleted). For those 'major' artists, such as edgar, we discuss one solo album per week--alphabetically; for other 'minor' artists, such as conny schnitzler, we cover *all* of his work within one week, ie: we have a d:schnitzler week where we can comment about any and all of his works that week... Like the D:list, we should restrict this to legit releases. Here is Scott's 'spinal tap' list and my suggestions for a new D:solo list. What do y'all think? If I don't have complete discographies please let me know! Thanks! (ps: sorry about the abbrev. but I'm trying to save some bandwidth!) Akhbar, Al -- delete -- Baumann, Peter -- include: major artist (RR, R76, SITN, THN) Bruehne, Joachim -- delete -- Dennebourg, Udo -- delete -- Franke, Chris -- include: major artist (B5 I & II, CP, K, NMFF1, tLC, PCH, R, RM, US) Fricke, Florian -- delete (or does he really have something out??????) Froese, Edgar -- include: major artist (Ages, Aqua, EIMP, K1985, P, S) Froese, Jerome -- delete, no solo ventures Gradwool, Gerald -- delete -- Grumbcow, Jochen von -- delete -- Hapshash, Lanse -- delete -- Haslinger, Paul -- include: major artist (FP, WWR, CV???) (no Lightwave or???) Herkenberg, Kurt -- delete -- Hoenig, Michael -- include: minor artist Hombach, Volker -- delete -- Hornby, Mark -- delete -- Johnson, Sven -- delete -- Joliffe, Steve -- include: minor artist Krieger, Klaus -- delete (no solo works ???????) Leuwen, Steve -- delete -- Luecke, Johannes -- delete -- Paulyck, Roland -- delete -- Perica, Zlatko -- delete (no solo works???) Prince, Charly -- delete -- Schmoelling, Johannes -- include: major artist (SNS, WR, ZoT, ????) Schnitzler, Conrad -- include: minor artist Schroyder, Steve -- delete (no solo works ??????) Schulze, Klaus -- include but only as a 'minor' artist Smith, Jocelyn -- delete -- Spa, Linda -- delete (no solo works????) Torry, Clare -- delete Turner, Nik -- delete -- Vallbracht, Christian -- delete -- Wadephul, Ralf -- delete Wheeler, Paul -- delete -- (I know this list wasn't 'complete' but I can remember anyone else 'important who was left off) That would give us about 30 weeks of D:solo discussion for 9 artists and still, I think, keep it mainstream enough for everyone but wide enough for some new experiences. Suggestions and changes would be welcome (like: should we just have a D:Baumann week?) The alphabetical list would be: Baumann (major), Franke (major), Froese (major), Hasliner (major), Hoenig (minor), Jolliffe (minor), Schmoelling (major), Schniztler (minor), Schulze (minor). thanks! lars ------------------------------------------- >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' [...] >Seriously, though, I've always found it odd that TD never showed any >disco influences during that era... Yes, but now we have Jerome's 'drum machine' and his dance/club mixes which are the bastard children of disco (but this is not necessarily meant as a negative criticism, just an observation...) lars --------------------------------------------------- >Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) >Hey, maybe my head's up my own butt, but what is an SBM ? > sorry, it means 'super bit mastered' (?) someone with more 'techno-how' can explain the details. the point is that these reissues are 'supposed' to have better sound quality than the originals--although this list has seen some debate on that point ... and yet others consider it music biz ploy by which to part TD's hardcore fans and their hard-earned money! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 993 Re: d:what's next, a suggestion Dr. Alan Stocker Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB 995 Re: d:what's next, a suggestion Vic Rek Tue 2/18/1997 4 KB 1009 Re: d:what's next, a suggestion Plumer, Scott Tue 2/18/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 1:00 pm Subject: RE: What's Next? Really-From: Vic Rek At 04:18 PM 2/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >>I would suggest solo, but we would have to identify who would we cover and >>how much? I think these releases should take priority over any bootlegs. > >Whatever we do, I'm not doing it! > >Scott > Are you asking for a volunteer? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 8:17 pm Subject: d: what is next Really-From: Armin Theissen Hi, I think we should start the solo discussions with Edgar Froese, since he is most important for TD, and the TD list is best suited to discuss his work. Then Chris, Paul, Johannes and Peter, again because of importance. We better leave Klaus Schulze out. This would be too much. There is an excellent collection of reviews on the unofficial Schulze page. Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 1:40 pm Subject: Re: Ash Ra Tempel/Feb 11th,97 in Osaka Japan Really-From: TWeibre361@a... did u happen to tape this show? thanks....tom w From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 1:45 am Subject: RE: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates wanted? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Well, give credit to whom credit is due, but why not extend their >(our ;-) work.. To make it a real reference list for us tape collectors, >I'd like it to be in the format of kdm's 'The Works'. A list of all >venues of a tour, and where a fantape is known he adds a (fantape exists, >112 min). Because, of course, we're also interested in those missing >encores, aren't we ? >The tracklist for the Berlin '87 show was announced during the radio >broadcast, do you have it ? Thinking of it : 'official' radio broadcasts >should be mentioned as well. I'm already working on it. I'm up to 35 pages so far. . . Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 1:04 am Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Forgive me, but I'm catching up on 160+ messages... >Hey! Why crap? I do love Stairway to Heaven once in a while. Every year or >so... :) >But really, I like rock, metal, blues, jazz, even pop sometimes :) And >electronic/experimental music, of course. Well, it's not that the song itself is bad, it's more a comment on the American 'Classic Rock' radio format. The problem is that they tend to play the same big songs from the same big groups. I once requested Pink Floyd's 'Fearless' and they played 'One of These Days' instead. (They're from the same album, so there's no excuses) Last weekend, during their 'all-request weekend' (hah!) I asked for Gentle Giant's 'Advent of Panurge' and the response I received was 'Huh? I don't think we have that.' Then the DJ hung up on me. TD Content: I seem to be one of the few on the list that likes REALLY divergent musics. My current listening lineup includes heavy doses of Phish, Grateful Dead, STP, Marillion, Gentle Giant, various jazz and of course, TD. I also seem to be one of the few that DOESN'T listen to much other e-music. I'm pretty weird, huh? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1001 Re: pushing the hot buttons TWeibre361@a... Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 1:15 am Subject: TD preferences (Was: pushing the hot butt again) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> How would you feel if Edgar tangenized Encore pt. 3 or so? And make >> it a pop-track. This is how Stratos'95 sounds to me. I'm sorry. >I would probably love it! What (I think) Lars and I were getting at was >that >the original 'Stratosfear' is (IMO, maybe not his) a pretty bland, >colourless piece, as is most of _Encore_, IMO. (I *LOVED* the Monolight >remixes I think I see a theory in the making here. I think what each of us likes about TD is shaped by the direction we came from when we discovered them. I came from the psychedelic/progressive direction, originally listening to Pink Floyd and Genesis in large doses. I gravitate towards the Baumann and early Schmoelling eras. I dare say that Gabe may have come more from a techno/ambient direction, and thus is more inclined toward Haslinger and after. Am I right? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1046 Re: TD preferences (Was: pushing the hot butt aga Gabe Yedid Wed 2/19/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 2:14 pm Subject: Re: d:what's next, a suggestion Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) >Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) > > >Schroyder, Steve -- delete (no solo works ??????) He has several works on CD under a group name - the name of which completely elludes me (I might be 33 years old - but my memory is that of a man three times my age). I am not strongly suggesting that he be included just mentioning this info. Alan PS I've seen his band play live, own one CD and still can't remember... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 2:26 pm Subject: BONUS: Conrad Schnitzler Reviews Really-From: Vic Rek During the autumn of '96 I was reviewing my Conrad Schnitzler collection and I thought I'd share a synopsis of these reviews with the readers on this list. These reviews are also meant to be entertaining as well as being informative. For those of you who don't know who Conrad (or Konrad) Schnitzler is, he was a member of Tangerine Dream on Electronic Meditation along with Klaus Schulze. Both went solo and have prolific careers. There is a book on Conrad listed at the end of these reviews if you're still interested... CONRAD SCHNITZLER REVIEWS 1. Blue Glow (The Cassette-Concert Series No. 1) - 1972-1979, rel. 1994 on CD France Artgallery AG 003 CD 50 00003 15 titles: titles 1-10 rel. on cassette as 'T2' and 11-15 as 'T4'. Various exotic and bizarre sounds, samples, and sound experiments. Tracks average around 4-5 min. each and have strange titles like: 'Wandereing of an Inert Gas', 'Dotted Lasso Whirling Simulations', etc. 2. Charred Machinery (The Cassette-Concert Series No. 2) - 1971/80, rel. 1995 on CD France Artgallery AGCD11 50 000119 272 022 3 tracks: tracks 1-2 from 'T1' cassette 1971, track 3 'T6' cassette 1980. Three tracks over 20 minutes each. The first track is a dark and very distant soundscape with strange sounds appearing and disappering slowly. The second track again contains distant space sounds along with the last track which again has slow pulsing sounds and reminds me of some pre-ambient stuff. Stangely enough, some of this music actually reminds me of some experiments by Pink Floyd performed on 'Ummagumma'. 3. Electronegativity (The Cassette-Concert Series No. 3) - 1977/80, rel. 1995 on CD France Artgallery AGCD 12 50 000126 272 023 Tracks 1-2 1977 on 'T3' and tracks 3-8 1980 on 'T6' side B. The first two tracks are interesting; icy futuristic sci-fi sounds. Some parts are pulsating and you feel you're in a whirlwind while other parts are slow and repetitive with slight changes. The last six tracks are those short tracks that indulge in sound experiments and doodlings. 4. Con 3 - 1981, Germany Sky 061, LP only 9 titles in German. Beat-oriented music with German vocals and a lot of percussion throughout. The record starts with some kind of slow-paced electronic polka, then transforms into various styles to include Indian, Asian, German sounding reggae and ends up sounding almost like '80's dance music. There is a strange song on side two where they sing about Cola (Coke). 5. Conrad & Sohn - 1981, Private release GS 1001, 500 copies, LP only No titles or tracks mentioned on LP or cover. Side 1 is by Gregor Schnitzler and Side 2 is by Conrad. Side 1 starts off with beat-oriented pulsating sounds. There are distorted/unrecognizable vocals in German/English and in general sounds '80ish New Wave' with metallic sounding synths. Side 2 starts off dark and brooding with German vocals and transforms into distortion and then to some form of melodic tunes. This side is actually a potpourri of strange tunes. Good sequencer parts towards the end but then digresses to 'Blue Glow' type sound experiments. 6. Conal - 1981, Norway Uniton 002, LP only Only 2 titles (1 per side) titled: N1 and N2. Spacy distant electronics with distorted sounds fading in and out at different frequencies and with many 'drawn-out' sounds. I guess Conrad is experimenting with the range of his synth knobs? When I listen to this I find myself in some kind of sci-fi movie in the aftermath of a nuclear holocaust. This music probably would be termed isolationist. 7. Control (The Cassette-Concert Series No. 4) - 1980-1981, rel. 1995 on CD France Artgallery AG 013 CD 50 000133 25 titles: titles 1-12 from 'Control' LP and 13-25 from 'T5' cassettes. Doodling sounds, dweebs, distractions, and distortions. Many short pieces ranging from 0:49 to 4:26. Very strange titles such as 'Gently Distorted Music Box in a Frying Pan' and 'Atonal Honking Horn Interlude with Revolving Light' basically sum it all up! You've finally been initiated to this album when you listen to track 25 'Buckled Wheel' and think that you actually understand this 'stuff'. 8. Convex (The Cassette-Concert Series No. 5) - 1982, rel. 1995 on CD France Artgallery AG 014 CD 50 000140 15 tracks: tracks 1-8 from 'Convex' LP and 9-15 from 'T7' cassette side A. Various electronic songs with interesting sounds and textures. Some are longer and hypnotic while other ones have unique electronic sounds that entertain and intrigue. This release also has unusual titles such as 'Fire Crackers in Slow Motion', 'Dripping Globules with Echoing Greasy Rings', and 'Processed Melting Jew's Harp'. 9. Micon In Italia - 1986, Italy Auf Dem Nil DMM 003 R, LP Only 17 short tracks composed with Michael Otto. Another chapter of experimental music. This release uses classical instruments (violin & bassoon) plus synths to create strange short tunes ranging from neo-classical/contemporary sound experiments and sound plays to personal indulgences and a 'Circus' tune. Some sounds remind me of Frank Zappa's music. 10. Constellations - 1987, France Badland Bad No. 005, CD Only 2 long tracks. Again we have a bizarre one. This one starts with dark brooding atmospherics and continues with sustained sounds (organ), sampled sounds, strange voices, beeps, blips, and blurbs. The second track has piano and harp sounds. Both tracks contain some irritating noises. 11. Tolling Toggle - Germany Funfundvierzig 57, 1991/92, CD only 18 short tracks played with Jorg Thomasius. This could be a soundtrack to a factory. There are many electronic factory sounds (machining, assembly, cutting, pounding, etc.) on these tracks. Some classical instruments are mixed with the background 'medium industry' sounds. I heard some steam and construction sounds in the distance. Weird. 12. Tonart Eins - Germany, private pressing, 1992, CD only Collaboration between Lars Stroschen, Conrad, and Jorg Thomasius 12 short to medium length tracks composed individually. This music is very bizarre electronic avant garde. Some tracks are so quiet that you think there is no music at all, while others feature strange distant chirping, buzzing, clanging, and percussive sounds. Some tracks feature some phaser sounds while others have an onslaught of various sounds. Very avant garde, dark, introverted music. 13. Ballet Statique - 1978, rel. 1992 on CD France Spalax 14223, Prod. by P. Baumann 5 medium length tracks orig. on 'Con' LP with 5 bonus tracks. Very electronic metallic cascading sounds. Track 2 (title track) sounds like from Baumann's 'Romance '76'. There are various rhythms (from driving to hypnotic) underlying high frequency effects fading in and out. The music is repetitive on most tracks, but nonetheless, interesting. 14. Clock Face - Germany Musical Tragedies EFA 11376, 1991/92, CD only 15 short tracks played with Jorg Thomasius. Again we have some more gears and bolts to deal with. This is dark eerie music with strange sound effects flashing in and out. Some tracks experiment with some crazy percussion with out-of-beat 'rhythms'. Some tracks have strange voices on them. Difficult music to listen to. 15. Tonart Zwei - Germany, private pressing, 1993, CD only Collaboration between Lars Stroschen, Conrad, and Jorg Thomasius 16 short tracks recorded Oct. 25, 1992 with no overdubs or electronics. This music is classified as musique concrete. No electronics are used on this recording. There are just sounds created using various household items, such a pots, bottles, vacuum, whatever. There are sawing, scribbling, banging, tapping, farting, squirting, whistling, etc. sounds. The spitting/blowing into an empty bottle about sums up this effort. 16. Con Brio - France Spalax 14274, 1993, CD Only 20 various length tracks grouped into 3 'movements'. This is a sample of the type of compositions featured in some Cassette Concerts. Many classical instruments and drums are used. Some parts are classical sound experiments that lack a musical identity while others feature heavy use of the piano and sound like contemporary classical/jazz improvisations. The liner notes contain a nice history of the Cassette Concert. 17. Con Repetizione - France Artgallery 50 00004 AG 004 CD, 1994, CD Only Two long tracks. First track is all 29 minutes piano. This track consists of repetitive piano music that is driving, rhythmic, and unrelenting. Sounds like two non-stop 'dueling' pianos. The second track is 30 minutes of driving electronics with repetitive hypnotic sounds. This track builds to an unrelenting fast tempo of pleasant electronics which don't quit. Other releases: 1. Kluster: Klopfzeichen - US Hypnotic CLP 9724-2, 1996, CD reissue of rare 1971 LP Kluster is Conrad, Dieter Moebius, and Hans-Joachim Roedelius This recording was sponsored by a church and features spoken religious themes in German over background music. The music is dark and minimal and could probably be called early industrial. When there is no voice the music becomes more loosely structured experimental deep space Krautrock. There are two long tracks and a bonus third from a concert in 1980, quite interesting. 2. Kluster: Zwei Osterai - US Hypnotic No review available - Don’t have this one yet. 3. V.A. - Tangerine Ambience: A Tribute to Tangerine Dream US Hypnotic CLP 9723-2, 1996, CD There is an excerpt of Conrad's 'Solar Cells' on this tribute album. The entire 'Solar Cells' track is available on the 'Electronegativity' CD. 4. V.A. - Syntonic Waves Sampler Vol. 4 'Electronic-Sampler' - Germany Woodberry Music 6-079307 1993, CD, 500 copies One track (#13) on sampler: Isotop (4:04) unreleased! A short dark ambient electronic track with tinkering sounds in the background that blends well with the other contemporary electronic tracks on this 'Electronic-Sampler'. Book: 1. CON-SEQUENCE: The Conrad Schnitzler Biography & Discography Rolf Sonnenmann/Peter Stöferle, 1994, 1st edition Reviews by Victor Rek, 1996-97. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1000 Re: BONUS: Conrad Schnitzler Reviews TWeibre361@a... Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 3:40 pm Subject: Re: d:what's next, a suggestion Really-From: Vic Rek >That would give us about 30 weeks of D:solo discussion for 9 artists and >still, I think, keep it mainstream enough for everyone but wide enough for >some new experiences. Suggestions and changes would be welcome (like: >should we just have a D:Baumann week?) The alphabetical list would be: >Baumann (major), Franke (major), Froese (major), Hasliner (major), Hoenig >(minor), Jolliffe (minor), Schmoelling (major), Schniztler (minor), Schulze >(minor). I think this will work (even though I see more than 30 weeks possibly). Other opinions: 1. Hoenig, Jolliffe, Schnitzler (see my reviews), and Schulze should be left out. Members on this list should feel free to post their own reviews on these (and any other related) artists at their leisure. 2. The remaining artists should be reviewed in alphabetical/chronological order: Peter Baumann (4 weeks): Romance 76 Baumann/Koek ? Few probably have this. Trans Harmonic Nights Repeat Repeat Strangers in the Night Phase by Phase ? No - avoid compilations Christoph Franke (13 + weeks) Pacific Coast Highway McBain ? The London Concert Universal Soldier New Music for Films: Vol. 1 Klemania Raven Enchanting Nature Babylon 5 Night of the Running Man The Celestine Prophecy Tenchi The Movie Perry Rhodan - Pax Terra Babylon 5 II others coming soon... Edgar Froese (8 weeks) Aqua Epsilon in Malaysian Pale Macula Transfer Ages Stuntman Kamikaze 1989 Pinnacles Beyond the Storm Paul Haslinger (2 weeks) Lightwave: Tycho Brache ? I'd pass on this Lightwave: Mundus Subterraneus ? I'd pass on this Future Primitive World Without Rules Johannes Schmoelling (4 weeks) Wuivend Riet Zoo of Tranquillity White Out Der Zaubergeiger Settembrini ? Songs No Words 3. I also think Steve Schroyder (AKA Star Sounds Orchestra) would be interesting to review, but probably should be left out. That's it, Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:10 pm Subject: Re: Is there any need for this? Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-02-17 17:04:18 EST, you write: << Seriously, though, I've always found it odd that TD never showed any disco influences during that era. Even Pink Floyd, the band that killed disco, showed some influence of it, but TD never did. >> care to explain your reasoning? especially the comments about floyd.... tom w np: kodo - ibuki From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:39 pm Subject: Re: Is there any need for this? Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) You wrote: > >Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > > >In a message dated 97-02-17 17:04:18 EST, you write: > ><< Seriously, though, I've always found it odd that TD never showed any > disco influences during that era. Even Pink Floyd, the band that killed > disco, showed some influence of it, but TD never did. > >> I always thought that in Force Majeure they showed off some disco sounds from the era of disco. In the title track after the spacey intro, there's this drumming that sounds a lot like disco to me. I can picture Travolta doing a jig in this part. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:44 pm Subject: Re: Important Question ! Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-02-17 21:19:30 EST, you write: << Does anyone of you kwow wether Klaus Beschorner can be trusted or not? (I wanna buy some CDs from him ;-) >> send him a money order....if u dont get ur goods, u get a refund....easy tom w np: muslimgauze - intifaxa From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:57 pm Subject: Re: monthly flavour (was:Is there any need for this?) Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-02-17 23:58:57 EST, you write: << Obviously, we live in a flavour of the month culture, but if enough people were still into the sounds of Yes and King Crimson, then we'd have more of that than Prodigy and Underworld...or Spice Girls, for that matter. >> whats the relationship here? are u saying that if more people listened to crimso and yes, thered be less listening to prodigy and underworld? why cant people listen to all four? why must one type of music be at the expense of another type? and whats wrong with a culture that spotlights a certain 'flavour' monthly? how else would u get exposure to other things? tom w np: muslimgauze - intifaxa (flavour: deep listening) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1003 Re: monthly flavour (was:Is there any need for th sean Tue 2/18/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 5:23 pm Subject: Re: BONUS: Conrad Schnitzler Reviews Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-02-18 09:31:53 EST, you write: << Reviews by Victor Rek, 1996-97. >> excellent...thank you very much.... tom w From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 5:19 pm Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-02-18 09:17:33 EST, you write: << TD Content: I seem to be one of the few on the list that likes REALLY divergent musics. My current listening lineup includes heavy doses of Phish, Grateful Dead, STP, Marillion, Gentle Giant, various jazz and of course, TD. I also seem to be one of the few that DOESN'T listen to much other e-music. I'm pretty weird, huh? >> no, u should be commended for listening to what YOU like.... tom w np: muslimgauze - intifaxa From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 5:29 pm Subject: Re: Babylon 5 Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: jan.willem@s... (Jan Willem Walraven Borst) > > > Hello! > > Is the new Babylon 5 CD #2 already released in Holland? > Made by Christopher Franke > > > Greetings, > Jan Willem > --- Yes, just go to the Cue Homepages. They will have it. Which is at: http://mcs.nl/cue/cue.html Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 7:17 pm Subject: Re: monthly flavour (was:Is there any need for this?) Really-From: sean > whats the relationship here? are u saying that if more people listened to > crimso and yes, thered be less listening to prodigy and underworld? No, that's not really what I meant at all. There's room for all kinds of music in the world. What I'm saying is that musical trends live or die my the quality of the product they produce. This was all in response to the suggestion that disco 'killed' progressive rock. Progressive rock still exists for those who still like it, but it is no longer as strong as it once was because it ran out of steam as an hotbed of innovation. > and whats wrong with a culture that spotlights a certain 'flavour' >monthly? how else would u get exposure to other things? True, but then spotlighting just one and playing it to death (i.e. Bush, Pearl Jam) excludes other styles that could be getting airplay. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'I used to be indecisive, but now I just don't know' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TD 'n' Disco Really-From: Steven Feldman I don't see what the problem is. I've always liked Eurodisco, and this 'high energy' ain't bad, either. And TD's done their share. As already mentioned by others, EXIT has its tracks, then there's 'Dr. Destructo' from THIEF, the next to last track on LE PARC, stuff on HEARTBREAKERS, etc. And let's not forget 'Jungle Journey' off TURN OF THE TIDES, fer crissakes. And . . . Anyone who sees absolutely no disco influence on THE DREAM MIXES is in *denial*! ;) :) . . . *especially* the dream mixes! And there's also 'Quasar' off TYRANNY OF BEAUTY. And the beat goes on. . . . ;) Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Emdreams, CNI News, Contact ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Forum, _PEER_ Perspectives, ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ the Nausicaa list, Tadream, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ & Hong Kong Film Connection ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: sfeldman@w... ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 8:45 pm Subject: Re[2]: Kirby's Cat - 0% TD Content Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...> >>I've noticed that our cat reacts similarly to just about every TD album: she >>stares vacantly into space, occasionally begs for food, and eventually goes back >>to sleep. >That's funny. There's a number of people here in San Francisco who act this >way. You don't suppose they're TD fans do you? Or maybe our cat's just from San Fran. -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 8:47 pm Subject: Re: Names in general Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' >Is there some connection between unusual names, intellect >and TD music? I sure as hell hope not, or I'm in trouble. -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 3:46 am Subject: td 'n' disco Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see what the problem is. I've always liked Eurodisco, and this 'high energy' ain't bad, either. And TD's done their share. As already mentioned by others, EXIT has its tracks, then there's 'Dr. Destructo' from THIEF, the next to last track on LE PARC, stuff on HEARTBREAKERS, etc. And let's not forget 'Jungle Journey' off TURN OF THE TIDES, fer crissakes. And . . . Anyone who sees absolutely no disco influence on THE DREAM MIXES is in *denial*! ;) :) . . . *especially* the dream mixes! And there's also 'Quasar' off TYRANNY OF BEAUTY. And the beat goes on. . . . ;) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the TD 'n' disco non-connection was referring to 70s - early 80s disco (Bee Gees and Saturday Night fever, Donna Summer, what else? I remember I grew up at this time, and I listened to it all as a kid, but suddenly there were Pink Floyd, and then TD) Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 9:13 pm Subject: sbm mea culpa Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) 'super bit master' ... it's probably a good thing I'm not on the bounce version to read all those flames. once I sent it, I realized my mind and fingers weren't working together; I thought I might as well this in and try to save :-| it is 'super bit mapping'; mea culpa back to the techknowcrats...... lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 9:49 pm Subject: RE: d:what's next, a suggestion Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I know a few people object to the D:list but I say: 'let them hit the >delete >key' I've found it very educational and have enjoyed reading other >people's >posts tremendously! Me too. Someone complained about the lack of interesting content, but I think the D: list is a way to INCREASE the interesting content! I don't read all the posts, but it is interesting to read other's impressions. >Grumbcow, Jochen von -- delete -- No von Grumbcow?!?!?! Heresy! >Baumann (major), Franke (major), Froese (major), Hasliner (major), Hoenig >(minor), Jolliffe (minor), Schmoelling (major), Schniztler (minor), Schulze >(minor). Looks good, but I'd dump Hoenig, Joliffe, Schnitzler and Schulze. You could argue for the last three, but Hoenig? He played live with them for a month! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 9:48 pm Subject: TD disco influence Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>Seriously, though, I've always found it odd that TD never showed any >>disco influences during that era... >Yes, but now we have Jerome's 'drum machine' and his dance/club mixes which >are the bastard children of disco (but this is not necessarily meant as a >negative criticism, just an observation...) That may be an influence of disco. What I had in mind was (With Pink Floyd, anyway) that some disco beats sneaked into to some of their songs on The Wall, and I found it odd that TD never had any disco influences on, say, Cyclone or Force Majeure. Unless TD was an influence on disco. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 8:10 pm Subject: Re: help / SBMs Really-From: jeffrey@i... >Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) >Hey, maybe my head's up my own butt, but what is an SBM ? A digital recording system created by Sony and a great marketing tool used by Virgin records to get people to buy the same CD twice. Jeff From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 10:31 pm Subject: Re: Is there any need for this? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> Nope. Disco killed Progressive Rock >You jest, i assume? Musical movements remain alive as long as they >continue to entertain their audiences. Obviously, we live in a flavour of >the month culture, but if enough people were still into the sounds of Yes >and King Crimson, then we'd have more of that than Prodigy and >Underworld...or Spice Girls, for that matter. Everyone is always free to >thumb their nose at trends and stay with the bands they like. Hey, I like Prodigy, he looks like a friend of mine. :-) Disco killed prog mainly in Europe, where it WAS the flavor of the month for much of the '70s. Bands like Banco and Museo Rosenbach in Italy, Triumvirate in Germany and Ange in France ruled the continent until disco became the flavor. Ditto in the US. Then, most prog bands all but died around 1980. Some went on, but they were a shadow of their former selves. Yes lost Chris Squire and Jon Anderson (akin to TD losing Ed), ELP broke up, and King Crimson brok up as well. All three were eventually resurrected, but '80s King Crimson, good as they were, were not the same band as the '70s KC. Their sound changed entirely. Yes in the '80s was purely a money-making venture. Genesis survived, but became a pop outift. (A darn good one, I might add) ELP became Emerson, Lake and POWELL, and later '3' (Emerson, Palmer and Robert Berry) then later became ELP again when they needed the green. Gentle Giant broke up, Camel broke up, Van der Graaf Generator broke up. Most of the Euro-prog bands died altogether. (Ange, I believe, is still going strong, and Camel has since re-formed). Problem was, progressive rock was GOOD, and disco was not. And quality is the key to staying power. Most all '70s prog bands have been re-issued on CD, but it seems liek the only place disco is turning up on CD is on the collection they hawk on the TV. There is the resurgence of disco as a novelty (by the people who weren't old enough to remember it, ironically) but there is also a resurgence of interest in prog, as people realize that good music is indeed timeless, and clamor for something uplifing in a sea half-arsed grunge pop that we're currently innundated with. Then the Wall came out and disco, and the 1970s, died. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1013 Re: Is there any need for this? sean Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 11:38 pm Subject: Re: Is there any need for this? Really-From: sean The bottom line on all of this, I think, is that TD has endured because they are not strictly a prog rock group, a new age group, or an electronica outfit. They defy easy categorization, and keep things interesting rather than get trapped having to repeat a successful formula over and over - like a painter in a mall slapping off oils of Misty Mountains and Hawaiian Sunsets. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'I used to be indecisive, but now I just don't know' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 11:53 pm Subject: Really-From: 'Ciro A. Rodriguez' unsubscibe tadream subscribe tadream-digest ***************************************************************************** Ciro A. Rodriguez Engineering Research Center for Graduate Research Associate Net Shape Manufacturing e-mail: The Ohio State University rodriguez.44@p... 1971 Neil Ave. #339 Ph. (614) 688-3461 Columbus, OH 43210 Fax 292-7219 ***************************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 8:12 pm Subject: Re: sbm releases Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: AslanFan1@a... > > Whoa! Tangram released SBM version???? Hello. Yes 'Tangram' on SBM. I got the Virgin TAND 11 about a month ago. But as I announced on the tadream list a couple of days ago, now that a Caroline release of the digitally remastered 'Tangram' has come out, TAND 11 will probably no longer be available. The Caroline release is CAROL 1805-2 and should be just as good. And to anticipate your next question, yes, the new one is worth the money -- 'Tangram' never sounded so good. -snip- > Also, I have the Man Inside soundtrack To die for (and hear in heaven). If you ever see another copy, don't say 'oh, I already have that'. Buy it and sell it to me, please. BTW, since I've never seen 'The Man Inside' perhaps you could answer a question. What do I look for, 'The Man Inside' or 'L'affaire Wallraff'? -snip- > I will state, despite going against the grain, that I have really > enjoyed a lot of the music from the 'Jerome' years. Especially Melrose, > 220 Volts, Turn of the Tides and Dream Mixes. Sorry. It's not the same > stuff as the Schmoelling era, but why would it be? It's still unlike > anything else being produced, and frankly, I think some of it's pretty > cool. There. I said it. I will say it also. > (For those who love to bash Jerome, consider the early recordings of > Edgar. Then think about the contribution Jerome's made. I enjoy his > guitar work. I can't stand listening to Atem, Alpha Centauri or > Electronic Meditation!) And I like some of his drumming, especially on Rockoon. I think Jerome would make a fine addition to just about any band. But you should really give the old mellotron band a chance. I didn't like any of the albums before Ricochet for a long time but now I llke everything. Cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 8:41 pm Subject: RE: The TD Roots Collection and... Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 02:05 AM 2/18/97 -0600, you wrote: >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 19:34:00 -0500 >Subject: RE: The TD Roots Collection and.... > >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >> 2) Supernatural Fairy Tales - The Progressive Rock Era >What's to discuss? There's no TD on it. It does have Golden Earring, >though. Why, I have no idea. > >Scott Sorry to bother y'all. I guess I thought that putting TD in historical perspective had some instructional value. The readership of this list seems to have changed, since when originally conceived, discussions not only about TD, but also TD ex-members, and TD musical perspectives were intermixed ad lib. Perhaps some LIKE the fact that TD's CDs are still placed in the NEW AGE section of American record stores. I, for one, think that the moniker NEW AGE is meaningless, and TD is Progressive Rock. Archie Patterson, the compiler of 'Supernatural Fairy Tales,' may have had a similar thought when he elected to put together the collection. He is a premier seller of European Electronic Music (another category that is preferable to New Age). So, other than 'Searching' recorded ca. 1970 by Klaus Schulze ('previously unissued'), 'Der Vierte Kuss' recorded by Ash Ra Tempel also ca. 1970 (and also hitherto 'unissued'), brief comments by Klaus Schulze and Manuel Gottsching, superior instruction, and a immensely valuable overview of the evolution of the kind of music we profess to like, indeed there is little of interest in this collection. I thought connecting dots makes sense and enhances one's appreciation of music. But this is just my opinion (to paraphrase Dennis Miller, an American comedian). Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1023 Re: The TD Roots Collection and... Mark Filipak Wed 2/19/1997 3 KB 1029 Re: The TD Roots Collection and... Plumer, Scott Wed 2/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 5:05 am Subject: Re: What's Next? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-02-17 13:28:48 EST, you write: << Are we starting over again, or moving on to >solos or boots? Or are we concluding? Just curious about the state of >feelings on the subject. > I would suggest solo, but we would have to identify who would we cover and how much? I think these releases should take priority over any bootlegs. Vic >> I would agree, but probably for self centered purposes. I have a Grand Total of 1 (one) boot, and I would happily part with it, but for the fact that it _is_ the only one I have. Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 5:04 am Subject: Solos (was ) Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-02-17 12:21:47 EST, it was written, On a different subject; after 'Tyger' there are six more weeks of album discussions. What then? Are we starting over again, or moving on to solos or boots? Or are we concluding? Just curious about the state of feelings on the subject. Phil N. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< switching to the solos would be a good idea. Armin >> Froese (Edgar) first? Who has a complete list? I don't think I do. Aqua Beyond The Storm (Electronic Dreams) reissue with the backwards track Epsilon In Malaysian Pale Pinnacles Stuntman More? Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 7:23 am Subject: 'World Without Rules' Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi gang. Found someone on another list selling 'WWR' for $8. Britton James Email him directly. (I done my bit for society.) -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 8:42 am Subject: Analog vs. Digital TD Really-From: feldon@n... Someone mentioned that maybe the true categories that separate the two camps of Tangerine Dream fans from pre and post 1983 was the analog vs. digital question. A couple people stated that this is proposterous, but I for one have been thinking about this one. My first TD exposure was Miracle Mile, my first 2 tapes were TOTT and Rockoon. Then someone let me borrow Electronic Meditation. Out of ignorance, I made a vow that I wouldn't buy and pre 1986 TD, assuming that most of early TD was this 'random'. But I came into some money and bought Phaedra. After that, I got pretty much all of them except Pink years. I think the fact that the 74-82 albums are analogue is important. My major qualm about post '82 TD is the break from slow developing compositions. The TD 'pattern' which was virtually unbroken before 83 is the 'keep it going for at least 4 measures before you change anything'. If you listen to TD of pre '83, they play a pattern for 4 measures, then add an extra note to the rhythm, shift the analogue bass loop, add drum, toss in electric guitar, or something, but whatever they do, they don't drastically change the sound before repeating the PRESENT sound at least 4 measures. This is contrast with Goblin's Club which sometimes changes the whole theme drastically from measure to measure. Eek! Maybe I'm being oversimplified; and maybe I'm talking over people's heads. I'm no music theory student, but I do think it is cool that TD has the guts to change from 2:4 to 3:4 to 4:4 time over a 12 measure stretch(like when they play a rhythm note early and then go with it like nothing's wrong, thus skipping over 1/4th of a measure)... Morgan feldon@n... ************************************ * Under the opinion that Tangerine * * Ambience is actually a decent CD * * and, dare I say it, I like their * * 'updated' version of Phaedra bet-* * ter than Tangents. * ************************************ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1022 Re: Analog vs. Digital TD Mark Filipak Wed 2/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 11:18 pm Subject: TD in Hamburg Really-From: 'K.E' Hello Dreamers Will any of you be at the concert in Hamburg 15/4? What about meeting somewhere before the concert like we did in London? Anyone from Denmark reading this? We will arrange a bus transport from Herning, and if you`re interested in joining us - please contact me! Kindly Kent Eskildsen Been dreaming since Stratosfear 1976... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1059 Re: TD in Hamburg stephan bischoff Thu 2/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 9:09 am Subject: Re: Analog vs. Digital TD Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: feldon@n... -snip- > ... Then someone let me borrow Electronic > Meditation. Out of ignorance, I made a vow that I wouldn't buy and pre > 1986 TD, assuming that most of early TD was this 'random'. But I came > into some money and bought Phaedra. After that, I got pretty much all > of them except Pink years. ... Oh wow Morgan. If you like 'Phaedra', you should really give 'Alpha Centauri', 'Zeit' ('i' before 'e' except in German), and 'Atem' a listen. I was prejudiced against 'pink' just like you until I heard them -- pure space and not the random crashing of 'EM'. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 9:26 am Subject: Re: The TD Roots Collection and... Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > At 02:05 AM 2/18/97 -0600, you wrote: > > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > >Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 19:34:00 -0500 > >Subject: RE: The TD Roots Collection and.... > > > >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > > > > > >> 2) Supernatural Fairy Tales - The Progressive Rock Era > >What's to discuss? There's no TD on it. It does have Golden Earring, > >though. Why, I have no idea. > > > >Scott > > Sorry to bother y'all. I guess I thought that putting TD in historical > perspective had some instructional value. The readership of this list > seems to have changed, since when originally conceived, discussions not > only about TD, but also TD ex-members, and TD musical perspectives were > intermixed ad lib. Naw, I wouldn't think it has changed. Sometimes a body can have a bad hair day though. Don't let it phase you. This list could use a good historian with a broad perspective. And I agree with you that TD is not and never has been 'new age'. I detested it when the band got stuck in there with Kitaro and David Arkenstone. Persist! It's your list too -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 12:11 pm Subject: what's next cont'd Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) sorry, I hit the short-cut send key in eudora before I finished the alpha list but you get the idea; so what's best? alpha or chrono. send in your votes. and what about the TD postscript? or should we wait until after the solos so that we can add the next 2-3-4 cds??/videos Also, does anyone else (Vic?) want to do the D:list? I volunteered just to keep the D:list going but if someone else really wants to get in and do this, that is perfectly fine with me (my feelings won't be hurt at all) .... lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1026 Re: what's next cont'd Vic Rek Wed 2/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 12:06 pm Subject: Re: D:what's next Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) >Subject: Re: d:what's next, a suggestion >Really-From: Vic Rek [...] >Other opinions: >1. Hoenig, Jolliffe, Schnitzler (see my reviews), and Schulze should be left >out. Members on this list should feel free to post their own reviews on >these (and any other related) artists at their leisure. ---agreed; does anyone object? >2. The remaining artists should be reviewed in alphabetical/chronological order: ---I agree with the alphabetical treatment of the artists (sorry Armin); what about the chronological v. alphabetical treatment of the individual works? Why did the D:list end up going by alpha and not chrono (green desert?)? How do other people feel about this? I think that we should delete all compilations (just like we didn't treat Tangents etc on the D:list), mention of the compilations could be made in reference to any of the works under dicussion; Edgar's BTS is, of course, the equivalent to tangents in this regard. This however raises an interesting point. I think we should add a TD D:list postscript covering the new material since the D:list and adding in the unreleased disc from tangents (anyone could discuss tangents in general that week). The problem is of course, that we are told that some new releases are on the way (ha! perhaps just another line from Berlin--there are still no official release dates). A TD postscript could run something like this: Dream Roots Collection, Disc 5 Goblin's Club Oasis (never mind the cd, it is on video and thus on cassette) Rumpelstiltskin (since it was overlooked? on the D:list) Shepherd's Bush (or should we save this for a discussion of the singles??) Tangents, Disc 5 > Peter Baumann (4 weeks): > Romance 76 > [Baumann/Koek ? Few probably have this. --delete??--] > Trans Harmonic Nights > Repeat Repeat > Strangers in the Night > [Phase by Phase ? No - avoid compilations --delete--] or alphabetical: RR, R76, SITN, THN > Christoph Franke (13 + weeks) > Pacific Coast Highway > McBain ? > The London Concert > Universal Soldier > New Music for Films: Vol. 1 > Klemania > Raven > [Enchanting Nature -- compilation???, delete --] > Babylon 5 > Night of the Running Man > The Celestine Prophecy > Tenchi The Movie > Perry Rhodan - Pax Terra > Babylon 5 II > others coming soon... --delete, unless a close release date is set-- or alphabetical: B5I, B5II, CP, Klem, tLC, McB, NOTRM, Rav, NMFFI, PR-PT, Tenchi, US > Edgar Froese (8 weeks) > Aqua > Epsilon in Malaysian Pale --(the Electronic Dreams backwards track should be treated here with EIMP) > Macula Transfer > Ages > Stuntman > Kamikaze 1989 > Pinnacles > Beyond the Storm --new material only?? or alpha: Ages, Aqua, BTS, > Paul Haslinger (2 weeks) > Lightwave: Tycho Brache ? I'd pass on this --delete-- > Lightwave: Mundus Subterraneus ? I'd pass on this --delete-- > Future Primitive > World Without Rules > Johannes Schmoelling (4 weeks) > Wuivend Riet > Zoo of Tranquillity > White Out > Der Zaubergeiger Settembrini ? --??-- > Songs No Words >3. I also think Steve Schroyder (AKA Star Sounds Orchestra) would be >interesting to review, but probably should be left out. --agreed > >That's it, >Vic thanks for the additions/complete(?) list Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1033 Re: D:what's next Plumer, Scott Wed 2/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 1:16 pm Subject: Re: what's next cont'd Really-From: Vic Rek At 07:11 AM 2/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) > >so what's best? alpha or chrono. send in your >votes. 1. Like I mentioned earlier. I favor artists by alphabetical order because it keeps it simple and nobody will argue over who is more important. 2. Chronological order is very important to me for the releases since you get to address the evolution of the solo artists career in some kind of logical order. Other points: a. The readers of this list get to learn the actual release order, or if there are any questions at least have them cleared up (remember Firestarter and Flashpoint?). b. If new releases come out (TD included), we pick a week, maybe after we are finished discussing one artist, and spend a few weeks catching up on the new releases keeping in mind that we must allow some time for the fans to aquire the music. Also a new release will 'blend' in nicely if we are discussing releases in chronological order. > >and what about the TD postscript? or should we wait until after the solos >so that we can add the next 2-3-4 cds??/videos Addressed in 2b above. > >Also, does anyone else (Vic?) want to do the D:list? I volunteered just to >keep the D:list going but if someone else really wants to get in and do >this, that is perfectly fine with me (my feelings won't be hurt at all) .... > I'm willing to help, so if you'd like (and the readers), I can take on this effort. Half the job is already complete? So I guess the discussion week runs from Saturday through Friday, with a post to the group each Friday? The call is your Lars? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 1:41 pm Subject: For sale Really-From: 'Jonathan Block' I know some of you have bought CDs from me before, but an unfortunate crash deleted some addresses, so I have to post this to the list. I have a couple of TD's for sale. First-class postage is included, but unfortunately, U.S. readers only. Live! Improvised (2 CDs; $50.00) Danger Live ($25.00) Respond to jonathan.block@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18042 For sale Glenn Reinicke Fri 9/24/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 1:47 pm Subject: The Prog box Really-From: 'Jonathan Block' Andrew J. Rozsa wrote: >>So, other than 'Searching' recorded ca. 1970 by Klaus Schulze ('previously unissued'), 'Der Vierte Kuss' recorded by Ash Ra Tempel also ca. 1970 (and also hitherto 'unissued'), brief comments by Klaus Schulze and Manuel Gottsching, superior instruction, and a immensely valuable overview of the evolution of the kind of music we profess to like, indeed there is little of interest in this collection.<<< FYI. Altho listed as such, 'Searching' is not previously unreleased, but is actually 'The Real McCoy' from disc 10 of the Historic Edition Jonathan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1162 Re: The Prog box Jonathan Block Sat 2/22/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 1:26 pm Subject: Re: The TD Roots Collection and... Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >historian with a broad perspective. And I agree with you that TD is not >and never has been 'new age'. I detested it when the band got stuck in >there with Kitaro and David Arkenstone. Persist! It's your list too -- I've always thought that it depends how you define 'new age.' After something becomes popular and makes money, it's bound to lose some of its original integrity. Grunge was good when it was only Nirvana and Pearl Jam, but then a bunch of half-arsed no-talents started playing and it went all to hell. Ditto with new age. There used to be a radio show on college station WUJC in Cleveland called 'Atmospheres' and the main DJ for the show, Kenyon Mao (love that name!) said that 'yuppie muzak' was the direct antithesis of true new age music and thought. True new age, he said, is 'the child of progressive rock. Anything is possible, any instrument, or non-instrument, any musical or rhythmical pattern.' Artists who make musical wallpaper or easy listening on a synth and call it 'new age' should be filed under 'easy listening' or in the garbage can. Tangerine Dream, he said, took the electronic experimentation of Stockhausen and his ilk and turned it real music, and thus a 'new age' of music was born. I ahve a rather lengthy article about new age from a local entertainement rag about 12 years ago. If I get bored this weekend, I'll key it in and post it. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 1:32 pm Subject: Re: Is there any need for this? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' ><< Seriously, though, I've always found it odd that TD never showed any > disco influences during that era. Even Pink Floyd, the band that killed > disco, showed some influence of it, but TD never did. >care to explain your reasoning? especially the comments about floyd.... Re: disco influences, Another Brick pt2 has a distinctive disco beat, especially in the end piece, after the kid's choir; Run Like Hell also has a disco beat, and Roger Waters used to introduce it in concert as a disco number. Re: Killing disco, that's purely my opinion. When I reviewed The Wall for my school newspaper in 1979, my review read simply 'The epitaph for the '70s.' Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 1:11 pm Subject: Time signatures (Was: Analog vs. Digital TD) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Maybe I'm being oversimplified; and maybe I'm talking over people's heads. >I'm no music theory student, but I do think it is cool that TD has the guts >to change from 2:4 to 3:4 to 4:4 time over a 12 measure stretch(like when >they play a rhythm note early and then go with it like nothing's wrong, >thus >skipping over 1/4th of a measure)... I've been meaning to ask this, and the above reminded me. I've read that many prog bands in the '70s used really unusual time signatures, like 9/8 or even 21/15. Most rock songs are in 4/4 or 2/4. Did TD ever use any really unusual times? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #839 Really-From: craigs@p... (Craig Shipley) >From the digest; > > Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) > > >Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) > > > > > >Schroyder, Steve -- delete (no solo works ??????) > > He has several works on CD under a group name - the name of which completely > elludes me (I might be 33 years old - but my memory is that of a man > three times my age). I am not strongly suggesting that he be included just > mentioning this info. > > Alan > > PS I've seen his band play live, own one CD and still can't remember... > Well, Alan, let me bring my mid-1950's era memory on-line. Schroyder has about 5 CD's available at last count (there is supposed to be a live recording out that I would like to snag, but haven't seen advertised anywhere). There were two or three under the name STAR SOUNDS ORCHESTRA (my, how New Age-y!) which is Schroyder on synths and Jens Zygar on gongs and percussion. The titles are 'Planets' 'Kosmonphon' (sp?) and 'Phantastche Phanonome', with 'PP' being the best of the three. Two solo works (although one has Zygar on it); INSIDE THE GREAT PYRAMID and STARS, SOUNDS AND COLOURS (may not have the title exactly right). Then there was a 'best of' his band, Augenstern. I think that he should be included, as he appeared on at least two recorded TD works, which is more than you can say for Hoenig (are there even any boots with him on it?) As for the Baumann/Koek release (which I do have a vinyl copy of), wasn't that 'officially' declared (by Herr Baumann himself) to be another artists' work? (It sure sounds like Baumann to these ears!!) -- -mm------ ---mmm----- Craig Shipley ----mmmm---- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1035 Re: tadream-digest V15 #839 Craig R. J. Cordrey Wed 2/19/1997 3 KB 1044 Re: tadream-digest V15 #839 Vic Rek Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 3:36 pm Subject: Re: D:what's next Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >works? Why did the D:list end up going by alpha and not chrono (green >desert?)? How do other people feel about this? I think, if I remember correctly, that we decided to do it alphabetically because of GD and Pergamon, but also there was a consensus that many folks didn't have the early albums, and might lose interest after five or more weeks discussing albums they didn't own. It was kinda funny, we started with 220 Volt and the next one was Alpha, I believe, so there was really a lot of variation. >Dream Roots Collection, Disc 5 >Goblin's Club >Oasis (never mind the cd, it is on video and thus on cassette) >Rumpelstiltskin (since it was overlooked? on the D:list) >Shepherd's Bush (or should we save this for a discussion of the singles??) >Tangents, Disc 5 I'll add these to the end of the current D: list if no one objects. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 3:44 pm Subject: D: The list update Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Here's what remains of the list, with those other five items added: Tyranny of Beauty: Feb 24 Underwater Sunlight: Mar 3 Wavelength: Mar 10 White Eagle: Mar 17 Zeit: Mar 24 Zoning: Mar 31 Dream Roots Collection, Disc 5: Apr 7 Goblin's Club: Apr 14 Oasis: Apr 21 Rumpelstiltskin: Apr 28 Shepherd's Bush: May 5 Tangents, Disc 5: May 12 If someone objects to having any of those items on the list, let me know and I'll take them off. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 11:05 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #839 Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: craigs@p... (Craig Shipley) > > Schroyder has about 5 CD's available at last count (there is supposed to be a > live recording out that I would like to snag, but haven't seen advertised > anywhere). There were two or three under the name STAR SOUNDS ORCHESTRA (my, > how New Age-y!) which is Schroyder on synths and Jens Zygar on gongs and > percussion. The titles are 'Planets' 'Kosmonphon' (sp?) and 'Phantastche > Phanonome', with 'PP' being the best of the three. Star Sound Orchestra released a 2CD 'live' set in 1995 (or 1996) called Inter-Planetary Ambience (if memory serves). I quickly snapped it up from a small shop in Aberdeen (stocked in their ambient section) and haven't seen it anywhere else. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Really-From: Doreen Williams Hmmmm maybe I am wrong but I am pretty sure that TD played a little of 'Love On A real Train' at the S.Bush gig.....it wasn't the whole track but I am sure a little was played somewhere. >Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >Hello folks, >Here goes another tracklist. This one was easy--it's on TD's homepage--but >actually, there are a couple of slight clarifications Mark and I made to more >accurately reflect what was actually played.....enjoy! >--John Burek and Mark Schaffer >____________________________________________________________________________ >_____ >_ >TRACKLIST: London Shepherds Bush Empire 30.11.96 >First set >1) Opening atmospheres >2) Barbakane (excerpt) >3) Sundance Kid >4) Hyperborea >5) Warsaw in the Sun >6) Exit >7) Stratosfear 1995 >8) Dolphin Dance >9) Melrose >10) Streethawk >11) The Blue Bridge >12) Oriental Haze >Second set >13) Piano solos (Edgar and Linda--an excerpt from Ricochet Part Two and some >Mozart) >14) Nomad (unreleased track) >15) 220 Volt >16) Dreamtime >17) Catwalk (with lengthy new intro) >18) Firetongues >19) Girls on Broadway >20) Rising Haul in Silence >21) Lamb With Radar Eyes >22) Touchwood (Forest Mix) >23) Towards the Evening Star >Encores >24) Hamlet >25) Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal >26) Eleanor Rigby >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >----- >--------------------------------------- >Known fan recordings: >30.11.96 London Shepherd's Bush Empire (several versions) ------------- Matt Williams ------------- * matt@s... * * * * irc nicks: draft or jos * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1040 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 m.schaffer@i... Wed 2/19/1997 3 KB 1062 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Matt Williams Thu 2/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: The Moog Cookbook Really-From: Doreen Williams Any Moog lovers out there who might be tempted to buy the album 'The Moog Cookbook'.........I would highly recommend that you keep your money firmly in your pocket,I recently got it for a friend as a present,I had heard a bit of it so I kew what to expect,I only brought it him as a joke but it really is a lot poorer than I even had expected......if you don't know it is just versions of well known rock songs like Soundgardens 'BlackholeSun or 'Feels Like Teen Sprit' by Nirvania played purely on moogs.....it is obviously done as a joke but I am sure some people woould buy it without realising what they are letting themselves in for!. Matt..... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: TD T-Shirts from S.Bush concert. Really-From: Doreen Williams Hi Everyone, I am pretty annoyed at the moment,I brought one T-Shirt from the Shepherd Bush gig in November and I have hardly worn it about three times I think...my mother has washed it on a very low heat(the lowest a t-shirt can be cleaned) and already the black print is starting to fade away......When I brought the shirt at the gig I was a little concerned that the quality looked a little suspect but I expected it to last longer then just over two months.....has anyone else noticed the same problem with the shirts...mine is a white one if you havn't guessed......and does anyone know where I can still get one,I think I need one that I won't wear but keep as a souvenier. Also(and I am sorry that everything is a moan in this mail) was anyone else annoyed with the cover to the S.Bush CD.....I mean it's pretty dumb to make a cover to a CD out of cardboard....my CD already has little scratches on it from rubbing against the cover....in the end I decided to tape it and put the CD away so it will never be touched again.....I doubt it is possible to get the CD from anywhere now is it?????. Anyway if anyone is reading this who deals with TD merchandise for the gigs just use your common sense and don't make the covers to CDs out of cardboard,it only ruins the CD and don't sell us bad quality t-shirts....I recently saw the british band Skunk Anansie live and I brought a long sleeve t-shirt for 5 pounds and I have worn it double the TD length and it still looks new and hasn't gone out of shape unlike my TD t-shirt(I even brought the Skunk Anansie one from one of those dodgy guys who sell outside the gig....now that is a bargin ;). Matt.... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: More TD tour dates Really-From: Doreen Williams Any chance that they might play in England again on this tour or have us brits had our live TD experience for another few years????. Matt....... >TD's Home Page issued the following tour dates: >>>> >Tangerine Dream European Tour 1997 > Starting at April 9th, Tangerine Dream will open >Tickets are available the European Tour 1997 with the following >from: concerts: >Moderne Welt GmbH Wed, 04/09/97 Vienna TBA >Marienbaderstr. 6/1, Thu, 04/10/97 Leipzig/Dresden TBA >D-70372 Stuttgart Fri, 04/11/97 Bonn Beethovenhalle >Tel.: +49.711.9547474 >Fax: +49.711.9547470 Sat, 04/12/97 Mnchen Circus Krone > Sun, 04/13/97 Nrnberg/Erlangen Stadthalle > Erlangen > Tue, 04/15/97 Hamburg Musikhalle > Wed, 04/16/97 Berlin Hochschule der > Kuenste (HdK) > Thu, 04/17/97 Hannover Music Hall > Fri, 04/18/97 Neu-Isenburg Hugenottenhalle > Sat, 04/19/97 Brussels TBA > Sun, 04/20/97 Amsterdam TBA > Tue, 04/22/97 Budapest TBA > Wed, 04/23/97 Zabrze (Poland) TBA > Thu, 04/24/97 Prague TBA > Fri, 04/25/97 Linz TBA > Sat, 04/26/97 Ljubljana TBA > (Slovenia) > Mon, 04/28/97 Italy TBA > Tue, 04/29/97 Italy TBA > Wed, 04/30/97 Italy TBA > Thu, 05/01/97 Zrich TBA > Fri, 05/02/97 Geneva/Genf TBA > Sat, 05/03/97 Lyon TBA > Mon, 05/05/97 Paris TBA > Tue, 05/06/97 Bordeaux TBA > Wed, 05/07/97 San TBA > Sebastian(Spain) > Thu, 05/08/97 Madrid TBA > Sat, 05/31/97 Athen TBA > Sun, 06/01/97 Thessaloniki TBA > TBA = to be announced >The tour will be continued!!! So watch out for updates or changes often, >cause all dates (except for Germany) are tentative. The list was last >updated on Wed, 02/12/97. >>>> End quote ------------- Matt Williams ------------- * matt@s... * * * * irc nicks: draft or jos * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 4:33 pm Subject: Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Really-From: m.schaffer@i... > > Really-From: Doreen Williams > > > > > Hmmmm maybe I am wrong but I am pretty sure that TD played a little of 'Love > On A real Train' at the S.Bush gig.....it wasn't the whole track but I am > sure a little was played somewhere. > Hmmmmm, I don't think so. I was waiting all evening for them to play LOART, and remember being particularly disappointed when they didn't. Don't suppose you remember whereabouts in the show you heard this? 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(614) 688-3461 Columbus, OH 43210 Fax 292-7219 ***************************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 11:34 pm Subject: td tour Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) >>>>>>>> Really-From: Doreen Williams Any chance that they might play in England again on this tour or have us brits had our live TD experience for another few years????. Matt....... >>>>>>>>>>>> It is a *European* Tour, Matt.... ;) Armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1058 Re: td tour Matt Williams Wed 2/19/1997 3 KB 1066 Re: td tour Mark Filipak Thu 2/20/1997 3 KB 1486 td tour Michal Balcerzak Thu 3/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TD: It's a Disco Thang! ;) Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: td 'n' disco >Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:46:52 GMT >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > >I think the TD 'n' disco non-connection was referring to >70s - early 80s disco (Bee Gees and Saturday Night fever, Donna >Summer, what else? I remember I grew up at this time, and I listened >to it all as a kid, but suddenly there were Pink Floyd, and then TD) The Bee Gees' SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER, from 1976, more or less defined American disco, whereas 1977-1979 Donna Summer did much to define Eurodisco. 1975-1976 Donna Summer was not too distinctive one way or the other, despite such hits as 'Love to Love You Baby' and a pretty good cover version of Barry Manilow's 'Could It Be Magic' (hey, Barry Manilow mentioned on the TD list: is that an all-time low?). What is this nonsense about Pink Floyd and TD coming after disco??? I hope you are referring to when *you* turned on to these to bands and not some sort of perceived objective chronology! ;) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1057 Re: TD: It's a Disco Thang! ;) Mark Filipak Wed 2/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 7:04 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #839 Really-From: Vic Rek >Well, Alan, let me bring my mid-1950's era memory on-line. > >Schroyder has about 5 CD's available at last count (there is supposed to be a >live recording out that I would like to snag, but haven't seen advertised >anywhere). He also has 3 cassette only releases. Also, you mean: Inter-Planetary Ambience (Live in London) - Germany I.T.P. AEOS 001CD, 2 CD, 1995 - Tower Records can get it for a small fee: $38 > >As for the Baumann/Koek release (which I do have a vinyl copy of), wasn't that >'officially' declared (by Herr Baumann himself) to be another artists' work? >(It sure sounds like Baumann to these ears!!) Interesting - Can anybody elaborate on this? I also think there is a bootleg LP release of this with a white label? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 7:17 pm Subject: Really-From: 'Chris Curran' unsubscribe tadream digest From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 7:13 pm Subject: Re: TD preferences (Was: pushing the hot butt again) Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >> How would you feel if Edgar tangenized Encore pt. 3 or so? And make > >> it a pop-track. This is how Stratos'95 sounds to me. I'm sorry. > > >I would probably love it! What (I think) Lars and I were getting at was > >that > >the original 'Stratosfear' is (IMO, maybe not his) a pretty bland, > >colourless piece, as is most of _Encore_, IMO. (I *LOVED* the Monolight > >remixes > > I think I see a theory in the making here. I think what each of us likes > about TD is shaped by the direction we came from when we discovered > them. I came from the psychedelic/progressive direction, originally > listening to Pink Floyd and Genesis in large doses. I gravitate towards > the Baumann and early Schmoelling eras. I dare say that Gabe may have > come more from a techno/ambient direction, and thus is more inclined > toward Haslinger and after. Am I right? > > Scott Um, not quite Scott. :) If anything, I only really discovered techno/ambient AFTER first getting into mid-70s TD when I started college in 1992. Prior to that, my musical background (in both preferences and training) was strongly classical. I had recently gotten into minimalism, and was only just beginning to consider other 20th Century stuff to be of any worth. So obviously, at the time, _Phaedra_ struck me as an almost seamless blending of all these elements. Rather than get to know TD chronologically, I decided to do it from the ends in. So after getting _Rockoon_ as the followup to _Phaedra_ (about 6 months elapsed in between purchases !), it was basically a 'this is where they were, this is where they are, now how did they get there?' thing. Had I chosen to get all the albums in chronological order, I probably would not have arrived at my current understanding of the band and its music. Gabe ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Yedid email: gabe@c... Dept. of Biology, McGill University bleo@m... Montreal, Quebec, Canada gyedid@p... 'Understanding is a three-edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth.' --Capt. John J. Sheridan, 'Babylon 5' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 8:00 pm Subject: Highway to Hell Really-From: HMller1095@a... Hi everybody, the Internet Movie Database lists the movie 'Highway form Hell' as having a TD soundtrack, and this was mentioned once or twice here in the list. My question is: Has anybody actually seen this film, or do we all rely on one source of information only? Any help is welcome. Hans-Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1073 Re: Highway to Hell James Williams Thu 2/20/1997 3 KB 13925 Highway to Hell TangerineC Sun 5/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 8:23 pm Subject: Re: Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: 'Chris Curran' >unsubscribe tadream digest Do none of you read the #@%!&* FAQ that is sent to you when you first join the list? The unsubscribe info is in the first #$%^@)!( paragraph! Losing my patience just a #%^@$^&@!!! little bit, B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 9:06 pm Subject: Two mystery tracks Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Well, mysteries to me, anyway. There are two tracks on the '70 - 80' collection that don't appear to have been released elsewhere: Baryll Blue and Haunted Heights. Whoa, make that three! There's also Chimes and Chains. What's the story? Dvoyy (oops! Mistyped my name!) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 8:52 pm Subject: Two mystery tracks -Reply Really-From: florin epure >Well, mysteries to me, anyway. There are two tracks on the '70 - 80' >collection that don't appear to have been released elsewhere >From Dave Datta discography: TD 70-80 (4LP) compilation ------------------------------------ Disc 3 contains 3 unreleased tracks: -Barryl Blue 7:20 (Froese solo) -Chimes & Chains 4:45 (Franke solo) -Haunted Heights 6:10 (Baumann solo) These tracks appeared integrally on 'Sol et Luna' (Mystery Tracks 2) Also on 70/90 but they are a little shorter. Florin. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 9:20 pm Subject: Re: TD T-Shirts from S.Bush concert. Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Doreen Williams -snip- > Also(and I am sorry that everything is a moan in this mail) was anyone > else annoyed with the cover to the S.Bush CD.....I mean it's pretty > dumb to make a cover to a CD out of cardboard....my CD already has > little scratches on it from rubbing against the cover....in the end I > decided to tape it and put the CD away so it will never be touched > again..... I bought a double CD jewelbox and combined it with 'GC' into a sorta double albumette. > ...I doubt it is possible to get the CD from anywhere now is > it?????. I believe Pastel Blue http://www.demon.co.uk/pastel right there in your fair country has some Shepherd's Bush CDs. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1068 Re: TD T-Shirts from S.Bush concert. Craig R. J. Cordrey Thu 2/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 9:45 pm Subject: D: Why are we doing this? Really-From: Mark Filipak (Subj was Re: D:what's next) Lars wrote: -snip- > I think that we should delete all compilations (just like we didn't > treat Tangents etc on the D:list), mention of the compilations could > be made in reference to any of the works under dicussion; Edgar's BTS > is, of course, the equivalent to tangents in this regard. -snip- Am I the only person who disagrees with this? I have never bought comps for any band except as an intro to a band I didn't know, and even then I would recycle the comp when I got the albums. So I don't have _any_ TD comps. Now I find out that even 'BofD' is not really a comp -- it has new mixes/new performances. What is new? How is it 'new'? What treatments were done? It occurs to me that this is exactly the type of discussion we should be having, not throttling. I know 'Tangents' has been extensively discussed but _only_ in the context of people who already have it. Was I asleep (dreaming perchance)? I didn't get much out of those discussions except that there are 'blue' parts and 'future' parts and 'canyon' parts of songs -- I don't have a clue what these _parts_ are and was looking forward to a more complete discussion of them. I get the sense that we could spend a week on each disc in 'Tangents' and you guys want to skip it entirely. I don't get it. What are we having these discussions for? The previous D: have been nice but most everybody already had the albums so the reviews were basically one way. But real analysis of 'Tangents' 'DRC' 'BofD' would be informative. Just my $2/100. Feel free to ignore it as I'm sure you will. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: The Four Non-LP Tracks on the '70-'80 Box Set Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Two mystery tracks >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:06:00 -0500 >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >Well, mysteries to me, anyway. There are two tracks on the '70 - 80' >collection that don't appear to have been released elsewhere: Baryll >Blue and Haunted Heights. Whoa, make that three! There's also Chimes and >Chains. What's the story? Yessiree bob: the '70-'80 box set has these three non-LP solo cuts as well as a single version of 'Monolight.' 'Baryll Blue' is obviously an outtake from Froese's AGES, 'Haunted Heights' is probably from Baumann's ROMANCE '76 sessions, and 'Chimes and Chains' . . . what *did* Chris do this for, anywho? For the box set *specifically*?!? Dunno. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1055 Re: The Four Non-LP Tracks on the '70-'80 Box Set Jim Moore Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 9:52 pm Subject: Re: Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... > > >Really-From: 'Chris Curran' > > >unsubscribe tadream digest > > Do none of you read the #@%!&* FAQ that is sent to you when you first > join the list? The unsubscribe info is in the first #$%^@)!( > paragraph! > > Losing my patience just a #%^@$^&@!!! little bit, > B. Kirby Who are you posting this to Brian? 'They' are gone and 'We' don't want to see this. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 1:47 am Subject: RE: The Four Non-LP Tracks on the '70-'80 Box Set Really-From: Jim Moore No, none of these songs appear in other solo releases. - jimbo > Really-From: Steven Feldman > Yessiree bob: the '70-'80 box set has these three non-LP solo cuts > as well as a single version of 'Monolight.' 'Baryll Blue' is obviously > an outtake from Froese's AGES, 'Haunted Heights' is probably from > aumann's ROMANCE '76 sessions, and 'Chimes and Chains' . . . what *did* > Chris do this for, anywho? For the box set *specifically*?!? Dunno. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Shortened Tracks on MYSTERY TRACKS 1 & 2 :( Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Two mystery tracks -Reply >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:52:47 -0500 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: florin epure > >-Barryl Blue 7:20 (Froese solo) >-Chimes & Chains 4:45 (Franke solo) >-Haunted Heights 6:10 (Baumann solo) > >These tracks appeared integrally on 'Sol et Luna' (Mystery Tracks 2) >Also on 70/90 but they are a little shorter. Why are they shorter on 70/90? I have a tape of this and always wondered why they are shorter. Also, the extended version of 'Dr. Destructo' on MYSTERY TRACKS 1 is shorter than the version that is on the actual extended 12-inch vinyl record (which I have). -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 10:31 pm Subject: Re: TD: It's a Disco Thang! ;) Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > -snip- > The Bee Gees' SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER, from 1976, more or less > defined American disco, whereas 1977-1979 Donna Summer did much to > define Eurodisco. 1975-1976 Donna Summer was not too distinctive one > way or the other, despite such hits as 'Love to Love You Baby' and a > pretty good cover version of Barry Manilow's 'Could It Be Magic' (hey, > Barry Manilow mentioned on the TD list: is that an all-time low?). -snip- Actually Steven, disco (short for discoteque) started in France in the late 60s/early 70s -- a time period during which we were preoccupied with 'saving' South East Asia. Saying Donna Summer did much to define Eurodisco (invented term?) is awfully American-centric. -- Mark (way off topic with this one). From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: td tour Really-From: Matt Williams >Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) >>>>>>>>> >Really-From: Matthew Williams > Any chance that they might play in England again on this tour or have us >brits had our live TD experience for another few years????. > Matt....... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >It is a *European* Tour, Matt.... ;) I thought Britain was meant to be a part of Europe these days!. Matt... >Armin >Armin Theissen >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... >College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen >Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 >Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 ------------- Matt Williams ------------- * matt@s... * * * * irc nicks: draft or jos * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 12:06 am Subject: Re: TD in Hamburg Really-From: stephan bischoff At 00:18 19.02.97 +0100, 'K.E' wrote: >Will any of you be at the concert in Hamburg 15/4? What about meeting >somewhere before the concert like we did in London? I Got my cards in january, if hell doesn't freeze over I'll be there. I thought of a meeting before, too. Anybody knows a pub (or in german: lokal / kneipe) near the Musikhalle? 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(tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Many TD Compilations Are Fair Game for Discussion Really-From: Steven Feldman First, here is a list of all the TD-related compilations that do not have and/or never did have any new material--remixed or otherwise: 85 DREAM SEQUENCE (3-Record Set) [Virgin] 87 THE COLLECTION (2-Record Set) [Castle Communications] 89 THE BEST OF TANGERINE DREAM (2-Record Set) [later re-packaged as...] 91 FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK--TANGERINE DREAM--1973-88 (1-CD rehash of above) 92 DREAM MUSIC (Silva Screen sndtrck compilation: DSP, TPiM, Deadly C.) 95 DREAM MUSIC 2 (Silva Screen sndtrck comp; 4 TD tracks by other bands) 96 ATMOSPHERICS [similar to FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK compilation] What remains, then, are the TD compilations that once had or have always had new material--and the TD solo compilations, all of which, except for Froese's ELECTRONIC DREAMS and SOLO 1974-1979, have some sort of all-new material somewhere or other. Here are the two Froese solos with something different but not precisely 'new': EDGAR FROESE (1967-present; founder/leader of TD) solos: 75 ELECTRONIC DREAMS (comp; M. Bay is recorded backwards) 79 SOLO 1974-1979 (compilation featuring superior remixes of many cuts) What follows is a compilation-by-compilation commentary on what is different about particular TD compilations and why anyone here should give a rat's ass: TD COMPILATIONS: 80 TANGERINE DREAM '70-'80 (4-Record Set; 4 non-LP tracks) [Virgin] An AGES (Froese solo) outtake, a Baumann non-LP solo track, a Franke solo track, and a 45 rpm track ('Monolight'). 86 IN THE BEGINNING (6-Record Set) (first pressing of GREEN DESERT) In 1986, this set had one all-new record--since GREEN DESERT first appeared as the 6th record of this set: not on its own. 92 THE PRIVATE MUSIC OF TANGERINE DREAM (2 previously-unreleased tracks) 'Roaring of the Bliss' and 'Beavertown' appear only here. 94 TANGENTS (5-CD Set) (almost entirely remixed; 1 all-new CD) Some tracks, like 'Phaedra,' 'Pergamon,' and 'Logos' are so drastically altered that they might as well be new much in the way that 'Stratosfear '96' is 'new' . . . and then there's that 5th CD. 95 THE DREAM MIXES ([Miramar] 6 remixes & 4 all-new tracks) These 'remixes' are pretty much new songs rather than remixes, and then four of the tracks are brand-new. 95 BOOK OF DREAMS ([Essential Records] 2 CDs; all are Virgin remixes) Like the case with THE DREAM MIXES, some tracks here are more like different songs than TANGENTS-esque reworkings. 96 [UK:] THE DREAM MIXES (UK vers. of the 1995 release; has a 2nd disk) Two remixes of THE DREAM MIXES tracks, and then two tracks that appear nowhere else: 'Iowa' and 'Sojus.' 97 THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD Set, with one all-new CD) Dunno. Haven't heard this yet--but one CD is all-new. CHRISTOPH(ER) FRANKE (1971-1989) solos: 9? NEW MUSIC FOR FILMS, VOL. 1 (sndtrck comp; all previously unreleased) Nothing here appears on any other Franke solo. 9? ENCHANTING NATURE (PCH remixed, w/ 4 new tracks)[The Nature Company] Four new tracks. EDGAR FROESE (1967-present; founder/leader of TD) solos: 75 ELECTRONIC DREAMS (comp; M. Bay is recorded backwards!) One track is backwards--and is still good on its own merits! Does this qualify as a 'new song'? That is debatable, but what is not debatable is that the two versions of 'Maroubra Bay' must be assessed separately. 79 SOLO 1974-1979 (compilation featuring superior remixes of many cuts) Two tracks here are not so much remixes as new songs, but I forget which they are. Also, since (IMHO) MACULA TRANSFER and AGES are fairly weak efforts, some of the remixes are a big improvement, especially in the case of the remix of 'OS 452' (from MACULA TRANSFER). 95 BEYOND THE STORM (2-CDs; 1/2 is remixes of previously-released stuff) Half is mostly TANGENTS-ized stuff, with the exception of one track which is totally overhauled (I think it is 'Upland'). The other half is totally new. Since the two CDs have the same running time, it's sort of a drag that all the remixes weren't on one CD, with the new stuff on the other. But hey, that's what CD-Rs are for, right? ;) Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1063 Re: Many TD Compilations Are Fair Game for Discus Vic Rek Thu 2/20/1997 2 KB 1087 Re: Many TD Compilations Are Fair Game for Discus Marcel Engels Thu 2/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Okay, so I meant Giorgio Moroder, not Donna Summer. Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: TD: It's a Disco Thang! ;) >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:31:25 -0800 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >Actually Steven, disco (short for discoteque) started in France in the >late 60s/early 70s -- a time period during which we were preoccupied >with 'saving' South East Asia. [. . . ] Yes, but there is a difference between discos as places in the 60s/70s--and disco as a type of music played in discos in the late 70s-to-early-80s. >[. . .] Saying Donna Summer did much to define Eurodisco (invented >term?) is awfully American-centric. Well *somebody* invented it, I suppose, but it wasn't *me*. Apply the same rationale, though, and one could construe that the techno-esque term 'jungle' is a racist comment cloaked in hip ergot. At any rate, when I said Donna Summer, I really meant--of course--Giorgio Moroder. Three key sources are responsible for Eurodisco: 1.) Giorgio Moroder 2.) Kraftwerk 3.) Cerrone Did I forget anyone? (There's also Simon Sousson, Bob Esty, Tom Moulton, Harvey Fuqua, Patrick Cowley, and a certain Musicland (Moroder's studio) protege by the name of Sylvester LeVay . . . who did about half of the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH soundtrack (there's your obligatory TD reference, hee hee!). -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Really-From: Matt Williams >Really-From: m.schaffer@i... >> >> Really-From: Matthew Williams >> >> >> >> >> Hmmmm maybe I am wrong but I am pretty sure that TD played a little of >> 'Love >> On A real Train' at the S.Bush gig.....it wasn't the whole track but I am >> sure a little was played somewhere. >> >Hmmmmm, I don't think so. I was waiting all evening for them to play >LOART, and remember being particularly disappointed when they didn't. >Don't suppose you remember whereabouts in the show you heard this? >Mark Schaffer LOART is my favorite track and I remember thinking how disapointing it was that it was only played briefly.......I'll have to look through the tracklist again but I am sure it was played very briefly in the first section on the concert. Matt..... ------------- Matt Williams ------------- * matt@s... * * * * irc nicks: draft or jos * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 1:48 am Subject: Re: Many TD Compilations Are Fair Game for Discussion Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: Steven Feldman > What follows is a compilation-by-compilation commentary on what is >different about particular TD compilations and why anyone here should >give a rat's ass: > Thanks for the information about the compilations. Off the top of my head I can think of two other compilations: The Story of Tangerine Dream - Jive 2 CD 1992 Tangerine Dream - Holland Disky label 1996? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 3:08 am Subject: TD CD Overdose! Really-From: Rich Maggio Fellow TD listees, Having kept notes on various reviews of soundtracks, the new box set, etc., I decided to plunge in and make some purchases. I was recently in a lull because I have all of the Virgin stuff (my favorite period) and I was becoming disappointed that there wasn't much other TD stuff to discover. I have all of the 'Jerome years' stuff as well. Boy was I wrong that there wasn't much left to discover! New purchases: Wavelength - Fantastic Sorcerer - first impression - it's ok. I need to listen to it more. Green Desert - Great Flashpoint - Great The Dream Roots Collection - OK - I already have all of the released stuff. Cyclone - Surprisingly good. Thief (on its way from mail order) Firestarter - Great Miracle Mile - Great Pinnacles (Edgar Froese) - Fantastic! The London Concert (Chris Fanke) - Fantastic! I'm glad they re-released it. Tangram (already had it, but I had to check out the new SBM version, especially since it was only $10) Cyclone was a surprise to me with all of the controversy around this CD. It isn't one of their best, but certainly not their worst. The 2nd track is lame, but the rest of the CD is good. Lyrics and all. Wavelength is my favorite of the bunch. My only complaint is that most of the tracks are too short. Many of them could have been developed further into really awesome tracks. This is proven out by the track that shows up in an extended version on CD 5 of Tangents (I forget the track name). Anyway, just thought I would share my over indulgence. If anyone is interested in a detailed impression of any of the CDs listed, let me know. Rich Maggio NP: The London Concert - Christoper Franke (this CD kicks!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 3:25 am Subject: Mail Order CD Shops Really-From: Rich Maggio This message isn't really TD related. I am passing this information along to all of you only because I think a lot of us make use of internet 'mail order' to get imports and such. I have had a very bad and a very good experience. If you are not interested, please delete this message now. For those of you still reading, here's my story: I placed an order with 2 different companies that have web pages that you can place orders from. The companies are CD Europe and CD Connection. CD Europe is the place I had the bad experience with. I placed the order toward the end of November. I placed an order for 4 CDs - Pinnacles, Epsilon in Malaysian Pale, Thief, and Sorcerer. My first disappointment was that they couldn't get the Froese CDs. I got over that. The problem is that I still haven't received the 2 CDs they could get. They held up my order because they accidentally shipped my Thief CD to someone else. Because they are so disorganized, they only figured this out after I sent 4 emails asking about my order and my calling them. Their prices are very high compared to other places and they have had MANY system problems where the server was down or presented bogus information on the 'order status' page. In short, I will never place another order with them. BTW - they have already applied charges to my credit card even though they haven't sent me the complete order. On the other hand, I placed an order with CD connection for 6 CDs, including the Dream Roots Collection. These folks are efficient. I had my CDs at my door 10 days later. Now, this isn't because they had them all in stock in their warehouse - they had to order the import items. When you place an order of $100 or more, you are not charged shipping AND they ship the order 2nd day UPS! You can't beat their prices either. I paid as much for Dream Roots as I did for Tangents when it was on sale at my local CD shop. The average CD price is $11. You can't beat it. No hassles, no gimmicks, just great efficient service with prices you just can't beat. So, in short, if any of you are considering placing an order for CDs over the internet, I HIGHLY recommend CD Connection. I hope some of you will benefit from my experience. Rich Maggio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1067 Re: Mail Order CD Shops Mark Filipak Thu 2/20/1997 2 KB 1123 Re: Mail Order CD Shops PNaunton@a... Fri 2/21/1997 2 KB 1163 Re: Mail Order CD Shops Rich Maggio Sat 2/22/1997 2 KB 1173 Re: Mail Order CD Shops PhilPDX@a... Sun 2/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 3:11 am Subject: Re: td tour Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Matt Williams > > >Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > > > > >Really-From: Matthew Williams > > > > > > Any chance that they might play in England again on this tour or > > > have us brits had our live TD experience for another few years????. > > > > It is a *European* Tour, Matt.... ;) > > I thought Britain was meant to be a part of Europe these days!. Settle down folks. Look at the schedule. There's a hole in May big enough to drive a world tour through. Or did you think they were going to use that time to take a vacation? It's we NAs that are going begging -- NA: North Americans (Canada too -- Mexico too would be nice, eh Carlos?), or Not Available, or Not Applicable, or Not Actually, or ... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 5:58 am Subject: Re: Mail Order CD Shops Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Rich Maggio > > This message isn't really TD related. I am passing this information > along > to all of you only because I think a lot of us make use of > internet 'mail order' to get imports and such. I have had a very > bad and a very good experience. If you are not interested, please > delete this message now. > > For those of you still reading, here's my story: -snip- And an informative and well written story it is. This is the kind of information you'd tell a friend. Thanks for being a friend -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 3:55 pm Subject: Re: TD T-Shirts from S.Bush concert. Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: Doreen Williams > > I am pretty annoyed at the moment,I brought one T-Shirt from the Shepherd > Bush gig in November and I have hardly worn it about three times I think...my > mother has washed it on a very low heat(the lowest a t-shirt can be cleaned) > and already the black print is starting to fade away...... I've got the black with white print, and there doesn't seem to be a problem with it. I haven't worn it that much, maybe half-a-dozen times. > Also(and I am sorry that everything is a moan in this mail) was anyone else > annoyed with the cover to the S.Bush CD.....I mean it's pretty dumb to make a > cover to a CD out of cardboard....my CD already has little scratches on it > from rubbing against the cover....in the end I decided to tape it and put the > CD away so it will never be touched again.....I doubt it is possible to get > the CD from anywhere now is it?????. CD Services in Dundee did have this in their last catalogue. Don't know if they'll still have it. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 4:11 pm Subject: britain / 70-80 extra tracks Really-From: Armin Theissen > > I thought Britain was meant to be a part of Europe these days!. > > Matt... > Since I live in something like 'Britain' (problematic for me to say, since I live in Northern Ireland), I realize that Britains refer to the continent as 'Europe', and Britain as a country apart from that. They don't want to mess that much with the French, Spainiards, Italian, or - which would be the worst - Germans. As always, they want to be something special.... (all this with lots of ;) ) Now TD related: The Froese extra track on 70-80 is to my knowledge *not* on Aqua, but really an extra, previously unreleased track. I can't speak for the Baumann track since I don't know Romance 76. The extra tracks fulfilled the same purpose as the extra CDs in Tangents and Dream Roots: Make people buy it. I just discovered TD at that time, and the 70-80 collection was a good introduction to TD for me, especially since there was no tangentizing (except for monolight), not even the pink years. armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: Time Signatures Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... >I've been meaning to ask this, and the above reminded me. I've read that >many prog bands in the '70s used really unusual time signatures, like >9/8 or even 21/15. Most rock songs are in 4/4 or 2/4. Did TD ever use >any really unusual times? > >Scott The beginning of Tangram Set 1 has 7 beats to a bar and Atlas Eyes has 5. There's also a brief section at the beginning of Birdwacher's Dream with 7 to a bar. Then of course there are all those sequencer passages from the 70s, particularly the Rubycon era, where the time signature jumps all over the place. It would be interesting to try and put bar lines across some of this stuff... The great thing about TD's use of unusual time signatures is it doesn't jump out at you - it's just used tastefully where it's appropriate. Contrast with, for example, Rush, whose music often screams 'LOOK HOW CLEVER WE ARE, EVERYBODY, WE'RE PLAYING IN 5/4 TIME!' Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1079 Re: Time Signatures Plumer, Scott Thu 2/20/1997 2 KB 1083 Re: Time Signatures Gabe Yedid Thu 2/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 1:20 am Subject: Evolution and change. Really-From: kman@m... The desire of fans to have a favorite artist maintain a style is universal. It occurs in all fields with art, literature and music most obvious. I find the many views of the long career of TD interesting, but feel the wish for them to return to a past style is unrealistic. When an artist of any longevity changes styles there often arise conflicting 'camps', dedicated to one style or another. Case in point is the furor surrounding Bob Dylan's swith from folk to electric. TD have always been linked with innovation in music technology. The nature of their music has always been intimately related to available hardware and software. For example, much of their 'classic' mid '70s output would not sound the way it does without the music being composed for use of the 16 step sequencer. The familiar repeating melody, bass, and rhythm lines could only be composed at that time with the available tools.The fact that Edgar and associates have continually discarded old tools and techniques for newer ones shows that they weren't satisfied with resting in a comfortable niche, but were ever exploring and striving for newer sounds and styles. As the years have passed and newer synth , sampling, composing, computing tools have evolved, the music has likewise changed. Remember the group was at the forefront in the development of instruments like the PPG wave synth, Atari music software, and other instruments, but would have languished in a dead end if they hadn't embraced change. My point is that each person may choose the sounds and styles they prefer, but give the group the artistic license to 'follow their muse' and explore their creative directions whatever way they lead. All of the groups 'phases' have had good, average, mediocre content. Most enjoy specific output from all past stages. If they were confined to a limited style and philosophy fans would get bored or start becoming like followers of those 'reunion' groups, just hoping to hear 'golden oldies' from the past. .As long as their is exploration there is always hope for the novel and unexpected. I've been a long time fan, but enjoy going from one era to another as the mood strikes.I met the group backstage during the '88 tour. and have a sentimental fondness for that incarnation. I think Haslinger added a vital element of melodic structure and color to the mix. I like the mix of analog and digital synth textures on works such as Underwater Sunlight, Optical Race, Live Miles. The last five years or so have a more refined textural sheen, but still hold many pleasant moments.220 Volt is a fine example of the desire to integrate a more 'edgey' sound into a live performance. Of the older material I'm fond of the Poland concert, showcasing the power of the PPG. Phaedra and Rubycon are fine examples of that mid '70s exploratory philosophy, using the available Moog/Melotron/ and similar instrumentation to follow early ambient 'spacey' directions. In fact there is usually some redeeming feature in each work to renew interest for future releases, though obviously not all productions are equally consistent. With age comes maturation, change of interest, desire to explore different paths. Whether fans appreciate the final outcome of each effort remains to be seen. The group at least has the artistic right to continue to be creative. Even if specific productions fail to meet the expectations of followers there is always a vast inventory from the past and the hope that the future will lead to more pleasing results. Arnold K. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1074 Re: Evolution and change. Mark Filipak Thu 2/20/1997 6 KB 1082 Re: Evolution and change. Craig R. J. Cordrey Thu 2/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 11:57 am Subject: (Not TD) Jarre UK Tour Really-From: James Williams Has Anyone Heard anything about the impending UK tour by JMJarre? I believe One of the Venues is NINEX In Manchester on 5 June Jim. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 11:54 am Subject: Re: Highway to Hell Really-From: James Williams tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: HMller1095@a... > > Hi everybody, > the Internet Movie Database lists the movie 'Highway form Hell' as having a > TD soundtrack, and this was mentioned once or twice here in the list. > > My question is: Has anybody actually seen this film, or do we all rely on one > source of information only? Any help is welcome. > > Hans-Peter I Have It. Very Strange Film Starring Patrick Bergen(sp?) About a bloke who goes to hell to try and rescue his girlfriend Worth watching, though it only has one track by TD. The name escapes me but it is off the Miracle Mile OST Jim. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 12:38 pm Subject: Re: Evolution and change. Really-From: Mark Filipak Thank you for composing and posting this Arnold. You expressed my feelings much better than I can. Each of us has a favorite band. The amazing part is, they are all TD! Regards -- Mark tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: kman@m... > > The desire of fans to have a favorite artist maintain a style is > universal. It occurs in all fields with art, literature and music most > obvious. I find the many views of the long career of TD interesting, > but feel the wish for them to return to a past style is unrealistic. > When an artist of any longevity changes styles there often arise > conflicting 'camps', dedicated to one style or another. Case in > point is the furor surrounding Bob Dylan's swith from folk to > electric. > TD have always been linked with innovation in music technology. The > nature of their music has always been intimately related to available > hardware and software. For example, much of their 'classic' mid '70s > output would not sound the way it does without the music being > composed for use of the 16 step sequencer. The familiar repeating > melody, bass, and rhythm lines could only be composed at that time > with the available tools.The fact that Edgar and associates have > continually discarded old tools and techniques for newer ones shows > that they weren't satisfied with resting in a comfortable niche, but > were ever exploring and striving for newer sounds and styles. > As the years have passed and newer synth , sampling, composing, > computing tools have evolved, the music has likewise changed. > Remember the group was at the forefront in the development of > instruments like the PPG wave synth, Atari music software, and other > instruments, but would have languished in a dead end if they hadn't > embraced change. > My point is that each person may choose the sounds and styles they > prefer, but give the group the artistic license to 'follow their > muse' and explore their creative directions whatever way they lead. > All of the groups 'phases' have had good, average, mediocre content. > Most enjoy specific output from all past stages. If they were > confined to a limited style and philosophy fans would get bored or > start becoming like followers of those 'reunion' groups, just hoping > to hear 'golden oldies' from the past. > .As long as their is exploration there is > always hope for the novel and unexpected. > I've been a long time fan, but enjoy going from one era to another > as the mood strikes.I met the group backstage during the '88 tour. > and have a sentimental fondness for that incarnation. I think > Haslinger added a vital element of melodic structure and color to the > mix. I like the mix of analog and digital synth textures on works > such as Underwater Sunlight, Optical Race, Live Miles. The last five > years or so have a more refined textural sheen, but still hold many > pleasant moments.220 Volt is a fine example of the desire to > integrate a more 'edgey' sound into a live performance. Of the older > material I'm fond of the Poland concert, showcasing the power of the > PPG. Phaedra and Rubycon are fine examples of that mid '70s > exploratory philosophy, using the available Moog/Melotron/ and > similar instrumentation to follow early ambient 'spacey' directions. > In fact there is usually some redeeming feature in each work to renew > interest for future releases, though obviously not all productions > are equally consistent. > With age comes maturation, change of interest, desire to explore > different paths. Whether fans appreciate the final outcome of each > effort remains to be seen. The group at least has the artistic right > to continue to be creative. Even if specific productions fail to meet > the expectations of followers there is always a vast inventory from > the past and the hope that the future will lead to more pleasing > results. > > Arnold K. > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 1:30 pm Subject: D: Tyger Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Do you all realize we've had ONE message about Tyger so far this week? I thought it would really rouse some strong opinions! Well, here's mine, anyway: I'm a fan of the Haslinger era. As a matter of fact, Underwater Sunlight is one of my favorites of all time. I like the music from Tyger a lot, but, frankly, the vocals ruin it. They're a lot easier to listen to than Cyclone, though! I far prefer the live versions they did on the '88 tour, since they had no vocals. I read somewhere that Ed was upset that people derided Tyger, saying that most people didn't understand it. What's to understand? It's just poetry read to music. (Actually, it sounds like they did the music and added the vox later, since they don't seem to correlate at all.) Am I missing something? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1076 Re: D: Tyger Paul Nagle Thu 2/20/1997 2 KB 1081 Re: D: Tyger Armin Theissen Thu 2/20/1997 4 KB 1084 Re: D: Tyger Roger Smith Thu 2/20/1997 3 KB 1086 D: Tyger Brian_Kirby@p... Thu 2/20/1997 5 KB 1088 Re: D: Tyger Plumer, Scott Thu 2/20/1997 2 KB 1092 Re: D: Tyger feldon@n... Thu 2/20/1997 2 KB 1099 D: Tyger PENFOLD Thu 2/20/1997 3 KB 1124 Re: D: Tyger Jens Kilian Fri 2/21/1997 3 KB 1138 Re: D: Tyger anunes@m... Fri 2/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 9:34 pm Subject: Re: D: Tyger Really-From: Paul Nagle On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:30:00 -0500, you wrote: >is one of my favorites of all time. I like the music from Tyger a lot, >but, frankly, the vocals ruin it. They're a lot easier to listen to than Oddly enough I like Tyger a lot. The vocals work for me. Unusual as I tend to avoid vocals like the plague.... >Cyclone, though! I far prefer the live versions they did on the '88 >tour, since they had no vocals. Agreed.... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 27/01/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 2:45 pm Subject: Re[2]: Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: Mark Filipak >> Do none of you read the #@%!&* FAQ that is sent to you when you first >> join the list? The unsubscribe info is in the first #$%^@)!( >> paragraph! >> >> Losing my patience just a #%^@$^&@!!! little bit, >> B. Kirby >Who are you posting this to Brian? 'They' are gone and 'We' don't want >to see this. -- Mark Actually, I was posting it to the list. The proper unsubscribe protocol is to send your request to the majordomo address and have it done automatically, instead of relying on Dave reading a message sent to the list and doing it manually. And it would appear that you do in fact need to see it, since you evidently didn't know it either. In any case, don't you find a message sent to the list critizing a criticism to be just as guilty of bandwidth-wasting as the original? -B. Kirby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1144 Re: Brian_Kirby@p... Fri 2/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re:Okay, so I meant Sylvester LeVay, not Tangerine Dream Really-From: Jerry Kindall > Did I forget anyone? (There's also Simon Sousson, Bob Esty, >Tom Moulton, Harvey Fuqua, Patrick Cowley, and a certain Musicland >(Moroder's studio) protege by the name of Sylvester LeVay . . . who >did about half of the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH soundtrack (there's your >obligatory TD reference, hee hee!). Anyone know anything more about LeVay? I remember thinking that the Airwolf theme sounded at least a little like Tangerine Dream. Has the guy got any albums which TD fans might enjoy? -- Jerry Kindall Manual Labor Technical Writing; Internet & WWW Consulting Author of the Web Motion Encyclopedia The comprehensive animation and video reference for Web designers Coming Summer '97 from Waite Group Press From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 1:19 pm Subject: Re: Time Signatures Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >The great thing about TD's use of unusual time signatures is it doesn't >jump out at you - it's just used tastefully where it's appropriate. >Contrast with, for example, Rush, whose music often screams 'LOOK HOW >CLEVER WE ARE, EVERYBODY, WE'RE PLAYING IN 5/4 TIME!' I remember hearing Neil Peart on the radio saying that in the '70s, Rush would be writing a song and say at some point 'we have to change the time on this somewhere' and come up with a goofy time and write music based on that. How do you spell 'pretentious'? RUSH! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 8:37 pm Subject: D : Tyger Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' *** Standard Disclaimer : All My Own Opinion *** I have the Relativity CD release of this album, with the three additional tracks compared against the original LP. I bought the original LP when it came out, so have very mixed feelings about this version, as you will see. Tyger (3AS) - This version is not as good as the original, which I think appears on Dream Roots Collection. I don't like the extra drum effects and subtle changes to this, since it seems to detract from the vocals. This track also suffers (in the original too) in being the most 'song'-like of the 4 original tracks. London (4AS) - I like the way in the first half of the track the vocals change from quiet, almost monotone to louder expressive speech, then into 'song' and back again. This, to my ears, sounds like changes in pace but I think the underlying music remains steady. Of course, there's then that slightly dodgy bridge before the 'real' instrumental section starts. Guitars and drums, not too disimilar to the style in Underwater Sunlight. Probably explaisn why I like it so much. Alchemy of the Heart (5AS) - This gets top marks not just because it has no vocals (obviously I like the vocals in the other tracks too) but because it is a great piece of music. The drums used in the first part of the track are so prominent and thudding and exciting, and yet seem so different from the prominent and thudding and irritating drums apparent in recent efforts (ToTT, ToB, 220VL, GC to a lesser extent). That's not necessarly a negative comment on Jerome or Edgar, just an opinion on which I prefer. Throughout this track, there is great work, culminating in the superb piano solo. Smile (3AS) - Despite the promising intro, this one just doesn't seem to go anywhere. The vocals seem more restricted than elsewhere and it all seems too short. Tyger (the 'real' album) gets a 4AS. However, things start to go downhill when the additional tracks are considered. They seem so out of step with the original tracks it seems inappropriate to consider them on the same album. They sound more like Froese, Franke, Schmoelling out-takes from Le Parc than F, F, Haslinger items. 21st Century Common Man (Part 1) (3AS) - isn't this from that awful Streethawk series. Sure sounds similar, anyway. 21st Century Common Man (Part 2) (2AS) - Oh no, wait a minute. This is the Streethawk thing. Vigour (2AS) - Oh dear. This is a post-Franke piece, isn't it? It has that blasted harpsichord on it. Sounds like Rockoon-ish stuff. Tyger (Relativity CD Version) only gets a 3AS (and a 3- if such a score were allowed). --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 8:54 pm Subject: Re: D: Tyger Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Do you all realize we've had ONE message about Tyger so far this week? I >thought it would really rouse some strong opinions! Well, here's mine, >anyway: > >I'm a fan of the Haslinger era. As a matter of fact, Underwater Sunlight >is one of my favorites of all time. I like the music from Tyger a lot, >but, frankly, the vocals ruin it. They're a lot easier to listen to than >Cyclone, though! I far prefer the live versions they did on the '88 >tour, since they had no vocals. > >I read somewhere that Ed was upset that people derided Tyger, saying >that most people didn't understand it. What's to understand? It's just >poetry read to music. (Actually, it sounds like they did the music and >added the vox later, since they don't seem to correlate at all.) Am I >missing something? > >Scott > I completely disagree - matter of taste, partly, but I think you can't take the vocals away in 'Tyger' and 'London'. This one single D:Tyger posting: was that mine? I can't remember whether I posted it or not. Armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 10:33 pm Subject: Re: Evolution and change. Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Arnold, I've read your post a few times now, looking for something to disagree with or to which I can expand, but there's nothing. Heck, you even like the Haslinger era too (snap)! A very interesting post. ----------------- C'mon Gabe, there's been a couple of pre-cursors to 'the big one'! Let it rip!!! --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 4:09 pm Subject: Re: Time Signatures Really-From: Gabe Yedid On 20 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... > > The beginning of Tangram Set 1 has 7 beats to a bar and Atlas Eyes has 5. A unique 'relic' of the Haslinger era was Paul's ability to suddenly--but seamlessly--shift between what sounds like a 2/4 feel and 6/8 feel. (e.g. 'Marakesh', 'Desert Drive', 'Civilized Illusions') > There's also a brief section at the beginning of Birdwacher's Dream with > 7 to a bar. Then of course there are all those sequencer passages from > the 70s, particularly the Rubycon era, where the time signature jumps > all over the place. It would be interesting to try and put bar lines > across some of this stuff... > > Glynn > I would tend to think that a lot of (if not all of) _Alpha Centauri_ and _Zeit_ are completely non-metric. Gabe ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Yedid email: gabe@c... Dept. of Biology, McGill University bleo@m... Montreal, Quebec, Canada gyedid@p... 'Understanding is a three-edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth.' --Capt. John J. Sheridan, 'Babylon 5' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: D: Tyger Really-From: 'Roger Smith' I'm also a fan of the Haslinger period, and agree with Scott that Underwater Sunlight is a favorite. But I can't agree that the vocals on the album Tyger ruin the music. When I first heard Jocelyn Smith's voice, chills went down my spine. I had read Thomas Blake's works as a young student of literature and was transported by his poetry to other places in the imagination. His social comments are timeless; his imagery can be beautiful and brutal. What's to understand? To feature Blake's visions carried by the music of Froese, Franke, and Haslinger. The experience created an indelible scorching of my consciousness the first time I heard Smith's dramatic vocals underscored by these musicians. Each time I listen to 'Tyger' and 'London' I 'Smile.' Tyger, in my opinion, shouldn't be compared with Cyclone, or even Rumpelskiltskin. But each of these compositions with vocals characterize what I like about TD -- the urge to experiment with combinations of sounds and rhythms that evoke and invite changes of consciousness. Roger From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: D:Tyger--was it TD's original idea? Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hi folks, No, I'm not making this up: I was in a shop in New York City about a year ago, and, while browsing, over the PA system (which was playing some sort of 'light music' station when I walked in) I heard something that sure got my attention: it was either a blatant imitation of, or TD's possible inspiration for, the 'Tyger' album. Basically, imagine the track 'Tyger', but done with a different melody, symphonic backing instead of electronics, and with a different female singer. I listened to it, hoping to hear announced who had performed this, but the station just segued into different music; I must have missed when the radio announcer mentioned who actually performed/composed this. Anyhow, I wonder, does this scenario sound familiar to anyone? Another artist poetically reciting the words to Blake's 'Tyger' to music? My impression was that this might have been recorded in the 1950s, I don't recall why, but I've never been able to track down who recorded this (though admittedly I haven't tried to hard). But it would be very interesting to locate this music, if it indeed preceded TD's 'Tyger.' --John Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1141 Re: D:Tyger--was it TD's original idea? Dennis Nigbur Fri 2/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 5:45 pm Subject: D: Tyger Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... Tyger has the unique distinction in my collection of being the first new TD release I ever bought. Funnily enough, I wrote a review of it to my friend who introduced me to the band after listening to it a couple times. Eleven years later, my opinion hasn't changed all that much, although my reasoning is a lot clearer. Here goes... Tyger (Relativity Version w/20th Century Common Man Pts 1 & 2) - 4AS Although this album manages to hit the mark for me on every instrumental track, the vocal pieces are much more hit and miss. I'm not sure whether this is due to the singer, or the vocal direction she was given. The majority of the time she sounds as if she hasn't decided if she's singing a song or reciting poetry. Thus, most of the words sound lifeless or stilted to my ear. But reflecting on other vocal 'works' that TD have done ('Dreamtime' [bleah] for instance), this may have been an artistic choice made by the band. In either case, it drags down just about every song it appears in. But let's take it track by track... Tyger (2AS) - Or, William Blake writes a pop song. Verse, chorus, verse, repeat chorus and fade. Would A-ha's 'Take on Me' sound like this if it were slowed down? London (3AS) - Now here's a tale of two songs. The first half is more Blake to the beat...and again very spotty. But then 'The Fly' finishes..and the song changes. It floats around a little, then it builds up a little, and then Edgar comes in with a guitar solo that simply takes the whole piece to another level. You sort of forget the first 6 minutes even existed. In fact, I would skip over the whole first section just to hear the last half. Alchemy of the Heart (5AS) - The centerpiece of the album, and this is the reason it gets a 4 instead of a 3. From the beginning fade-in, through the heightened musical tension as more and more instruments are added, to the rhythmic, frantic center, to the slow washes of the denouement, to the extended serenity of the piano coda, there isn't a bum note in this entire song. A masterpiece. Smile (4AS) - This is the only vocal arrangement that works on the album for me. Maybe it's because the understated vocals are a nice counterpoint to the speedier music, or maybe because the vocalization seems to suit the subject more, but everything just seems to click on this one. 20th Century Common Man Pts 1 & 2 (3AS) - Two nice instrumentals, with the second featuring another good guitar solo from Edgar. Pales in comparison to Alchemy, but quite pleasant nonetheless. The Caroline rerelease, however, only gets a 2AS. The added beat to Tyger is completely incongrous, the fade-in to Alchemy is shortened, but we get a bonus song. Whoopee. They should have left well enough alone. And in what was probably a move to cut some costs, all of the color photos from the original release are changed to black and white. Totally unnecessary. Of course, I bought it anyway. In general though, the original version stands up to the added weight of being bought so early on in my collecting career. -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 5:41 pm Subject: Re: Many TD Compilations Are Fair Game for Discussion Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > What follows is a compilation-by-compilation commentary on what is > different about particular TD compilations and why anyone here should > give a rat's ass: > > TD COMPILATIONS: > > 80 TANGERINE DREAM '70-'80 (4-Record Set; 4 non-LP tracks) [Virgin] > > An AGES (Froese solo) outtake, a Baumann non-LP solo track, a > Franke solo track, and a 45 rpm track ('Monolight'). Froese solo track is *not* an Ages-track. All three solo tracks are great, especially Franke's one (very rhytmic). > 79 SOLO 1974-1979 (compilation featuring superior remixes of many cuts) > > Two tracks here are not so much remixes as new songs, but I forget > which they are. Also, since (IMHO) MACULA TRANSFER and AGES are fairly > weak efforts, some of the remixes are a big improvement, especially in > the case of the remix of 'OS 452' (from MACULA TRANSFER). Macula Transfer and Ages are (IMHO) his absolute best solo albums. Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 6:16 pm Subject: Re: D: Tyger Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Sunlight is a favorite. But I can't agree that the vocals on the album >Tyger ruin the music. Now that I think about it more, what bothers me about the vocals is that she _sings_ them, not just recites them. I think I would have liked it better had she merely recited the poems. It would have been more like Kiew Mission. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 6:39 pm Subject: Tangents and Book of Dreams Really-From: feldon@n... At 01:45 PM 2/19/97 -0800, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak (snip---Let's not include compilations in the ratings system...) >Am I the only person who disagrees with this? I have never bought comps >for any band except as an intro to a band I didn't know, and even then I >would recycle the comp when I got the albums. So I don't have _any_ TD >comps. Now I find out that even 'BofD' is not really a comp -- it has >new mixes/new performances. What is new? How is it 'new'? What >treatments were done? It occurs to me that this is exactly the type of >discussion we should be having, not throttling. > >I know 'Tangents' has been extensively discussed but _only_ in the >context of people who already have it. Was I asleep (dreaming >perchance)? I didn't get much out of those discussions except that >there are 'blue' parts and 'future' parts and 'canyon' parts of songs -- >I don't have a clue what these _parts_ are and was looking forward to a >more complete discussion of them. I agree completely with you about Tangents and Book of Dreams. Nobody really said anything when I mentioned it, but I want to do a webpage which specifically spells out the differences between each of the songs on these 10 CDs worth of music (yes, 10) in comparison with their original releases. The reason there are blue parts and velvet parts is that some releases like Logos are one 45 minute long piece and then an encore... well, how can you fairly put that on a comp? Edgar broke Logos into four 5-8 minute segments and gave them nicknames like blue part which is from 19:50 to 24:50 on the original CD, red part, velvet part, etc.) He did the same with Tangram, Encore, Livemiles, etc. I guess you should know Mark, there isn't a single song on Tangents or Book of Dreams that is copied directly from the original release. First, major noise reduction and cleanup has been done in most cases. Secondly, a few songs have been redone from scratch, most notably a segment of Phaedra and blue part of Logos (on Tangents). Plus there are lots of synth and guitar additions to most of the songs, some helpful (most notably the piano solo in Monolight during the Encore 1977 USA concert has grown by 3 minutes) and some annoying (boy's choir added on top of a few of Tangents' songs). If you are not ready to plop down $55 for each of these 5 disc collections (disc 5 from both packages are previously unreleased material!), you can get Book of Dreams which is a subset of Dream Roots, it is 2 discs and is sort of the 'best of' Dream Roots. There is nothing like this for Tangents. I went ahead and purchased both Tangents and Dream Roots. By the way, you're asking 'why 2 boxed sets?' Well, Tangents is material from 1973 to 1983. Dream Roots is material from 1970-1973 and 1983-1987. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 6:45 pm Subject: Love on a Real Train Really-From: feldon@n... Am I the only one who thinks that 30 seconds of Love on a Real Train was played twice during last week's 48 hours during their 'planned wedding' segment? Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 7:09 pm Subject: Re: Tyger Really-From: feldon@n... I have two major points to say about Tyger: I admit that I often skip over the vocal tracks when I'm listening. And I sometimes fast forward to index 9:00 on London. My favorite track is Alchemy... If they wanted Tyger to be vocal, why didn't they go all the way and place the Jungle version of Tyger on the disc instead of the more mainstream version they put? I think the Jungle mix is far superior (like 4AS vs. 2AS). Morgan feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2401 Re: Tyger Gary Davis Mon 4/7/1997 3 KB 2412 Re: Tyger Mark Edmonds Mon 4/7/1997 2 KB 5984 Re: Tyger feldon@p... Fri 7/18/1997 3 KB 5986 Re: Tyger TangerineC@a... Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB 5987 Re: Tyger feldon@p... Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB 5988 Re: Tyger TangerineC@a... Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB 5990 Re: Tyger feldon@p... Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB 15826 Tyger Shadow Mon 4/19/1999 1 KB 15841 Re: Tyger Steven Le Vine Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 7:11 pm Subject: Re: D: Tyger Really-From: feldon@n... At 02:34 PM 2/20/97 GMT, you wrote: >Really-From: Paul Nagle > > >>Cyclone, though! I far prefer the live versions they did on the '88 >>tour, since they had no vocals. >Agreed.... B**t? please respond by private e-mail. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 7:36 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #840 Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' Hey guys and gals if there are any, (are there?) i just purchased Sorceror, Zeit, and Underwater Sunlight. Sorceror is amazing. The sound seems a little thin but the overall mood i got from listening to it was a really creepy one. Thats a good thing though. i love getting scared. My favorite track was the second one, i think it was called the search. Pure phantasmal bliss, loved it. Zeit is pretty creepy too, although it is more ambient/spacey type music. I really liked it though, it seems to relax me quite a bit. i'll look forward to listening to it a lot, i'm glad its so long too. :-) Underwater Sunlight is a peaceful album. At least that was my first impression. i like it just as much as the others though. i suppose while i enjoy TD's newer stuff, their older material captivates me more. i would be happy to be a part of both clubs....heh heh Dreamin', Maxwell (Up In The Sky) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1104 Re: tadream-digest V15 #840 Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 2/21/1997 4 KB 1105 Re: tadream-digest V15 #840 Rich Maggio Fri 2/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 9:01 pm Subject: COMA VIRUS Really-From: Michael A Jean I finally tracked down a copy of the Coma Virus 'Hidden' CD. However, Now I have a question...I seem to remember reading that a track from the CD appears on a SIDE EFFECTS sampler. The title escapes me at the moment, but none of the CD track titles sounded familiar. So, is there a unique song available only on the sampler, or is my memory just faulty? Mike Jean, Chicago Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1109 Re: COMA VIRUS dbrewer@a... Fri 2/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 9:15 pm Subject: TD T-Shirts from S.Bush concert and others Really-From: ' teiwaz barana' As long as we're registering complaints about TD T-shirts purchased at shows, I'd like to add that the black Rockoon shirt I bought was printed off-center to the right if from the point of view of the wearer. Of course, it went thread bare in a few washings in cold water--but at least it still smells like the iron-on portion was made with toxic chemicals as it did when it was brand new. ;-) --teiwaz --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1125 Re: TD T-Shirts from S.Bush concert and others Plumer, Scott Fri 2/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TANGENT-izing: Sickening Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Tangents and Book of Dreams >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:39:36 -0600 >Really-From: feldon@n... > >[. . .] Book of Dreams which is a subset of Dream Roots, it is 2 discs >and is sort of the 'best of' Dream Roots. [. . .] You mean I already spent $s on BOOK OF DREAMS, which is actually 2/5 (two-fifths) of DREAM ROOTS? That really blows. That's twice in two years (the last time being the US and UK versions of DREAM MIXES. :( :( >[. . .] There is nothing like this for Tangents. Not commercially, but there was a US promo that was indeed a TANGENTS Greatest Hits sorta deal. I have a copy. >Well, Tangents is material from 1973 to 1983. >Dream Roots is material from 1970-1973 and 1983-1987. I know; pretty sickening, isn't it? And remember, boys and girls, Crazy Eddie is the one responsible, while all the while, he doesn't like Silva Screen releasing stuff like THE PARK IS MINE because he can't TANGENT-ize it. More power to Silva Screen, I say!!! ;) :) You know, if Ed spent half the time on regular TD releases that he does milking 'new' songs out of old material on his box set scams, maybe we'd have more than two really good TD efforts in five years!!! -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1107 Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening Gabe Yedid Fri 2/21/1997 3 KB 1110 Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening Mark Filipak Fri 2/21/1997 3 KB 1115 Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening feldon@n... Fri 2/21/1997 3 KB 1118 Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening feldon@n... Fri 2/21/1997 2 KB 1143 Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening Mark Filipak Fri 2/21/1997 3 KB 1172 Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening TWeibre361@a... Sun 2/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 9:25 pm Subject: Not: Re: TD: It's a Disco Thang! ;) Really-From: PENFOLD At 12:49 97·02·19 EST, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman >>Subject: td 'n' disco >>Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:46:52 GMT >>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >>Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > The Bee Gees' SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER, from 1976, more or less defined >American disco, whereas 1977-1979 Donna Summer did much to define >Eurodisco. > What is this nonsense about Pink Floyd and TD coming after disco??? TD *did* do 'dance mixes'. And Devo did 'elevator/muzak mixes' Grinning and..... Ducking and Running for Cover! /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Various TD-related Whoppers from the WWW Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, On the web the other day, I came across some odd items. On a Sonic Images page , there was mention of PERRY RHODAN: 'PAX TERRA'. Has this actually been released? Is it hard to get? Is it *worth* getting? On the page, , there is a listing named 'Christopher Franke with Tangerine Dream - Feature Film Credits.' There were two items there I've never heard about before: IDENTIFICATION OF A WOMAN directed and produced by Michelangelo Antonioni SINGLE MAN directed and produced by Bobby Roth On the page, we get the following paragraph: | News also reaches us that Virgin Records are considering issuing CD | versions of the Edgar Froese 'Ages' and 'Macular [sic] Transfer' dating | from 1978 [sic] and 1982 [sic] respectively. The original soundtrack | version of 'The Keep' has been put back and is now scheduled for late | 1996/early 1997. Well, they mistook 1976 for 1978, and 1978 for 1982, so I have a feeling this info is not too reliable to begin with! ;) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1108 Re: Various TD-related Whoppers from the WWW Mark Filipak Fri 2/21/1997 10 KB 1112 Re: Various TD-related Whoppers from the WWW Mark Filipak Fri 2/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 9:25 pm Subject: D: Tyger Vocals! Interesting departure. methinks Paul was more freehanded. The application of music to poetry is nothing new (i.e. 'CATS' being brought to form through TS Elliott's poetry) but it *is* an artistic challenge. Blake himself, an artist. Would have appreciated the musical adaption of his written muse. Unfortunately this isn't one of my more-played CD's. And Arminİ Rates!..... 3! 'The world of music is something on its own. It's absolutely dust-free, clear, and clean. Music is one of the most neutral things on earth. It symbolizes the 'highest frequency' of all art forms in its abstract, neutral manner.' - Edgar Froese /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 10:34 pm Subject: Re: Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... > > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >> Do none of you read the #@%!&* FAQ that is sent to you when you > >> first join the list? The unsubscribe info is in the first #$%^@)!( > >> paragraph! > >> > >> Losing my patience just a #%^@$^&@!!! little bit, > >> B. Kirby > > > Who are you posting this to Brian? 'They' are gone and 'We' don't > > want to see this. -- Mark > > Actually, I was posting it to the list. The proper unsubscribe > protocol is to send your request to the majordomo address and have it > done automatically, instead of relying on Dave reading a message sent > to the list and doing it manually. And it would appear that you do in > fact need to see it, since you evidently didn't know it either. > > In any case, don't you find a message sent to the list critizing a > criticism to be just as guilty of bandwidth-wasting as the original? > > -B. Kirby Hi Brian. I appreciate your frustration and I share it. I have helped many people to unsub -- you can just ask Dave. The unsub help that I have accidentally posted to the list from time to time results from the way Dave has the header processing set up. I've asked him to consider processing the headers a different way but he has a system set up and doesn't want to change it. Regards -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1126 paula@J... Fri 2/21/1997 2 KB 1339 Martin R. Mckee Fri 2/28/1997 2 KB 1446 Armin Theissen Wed 3/5/1997 4 KB 1936 Armin Theissen Tue 3/18/1997 2 KB 1959 ashok prema Wed 3/19/1997 3 KB 1962 Re: Mark Filipak Wed 3/19/1997 3 KB 2225 feldon@n... Tue 4/1/1997 2 KB 2228 Re: Greg Tue 4/1/1997 3 KB 2397 - Sun 4/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 12:15 am Subject: cd release questions Really-From: slawlor I'm sure these have been asked before, if not illuded to, but I have some questions about two tangerine recordings that I want to get on cd. I was looking on cd connection, and I saw zeit, I guess it was reissued by castle communications, and when I looked at the song list, I only saw two titles. I remember this being a double album and having 4 songs. and I don't think the castle reissue of poland is the same as the double album I used to have either. My question is, are these still available on cd the way that I remember? Thanks for the information. scott K. Lawlor http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1103 Re: cd release questions Mark Filipak Fri 2/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Complete tour lists? Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >Cons: From an accuracy point of view, we can only truly substantiate >those tapes we know of, and it is a tape-cataloguing exercise, after all. Sure, but John has a pretty complete collection, and he knows that he can trust my list as well. >> Thinking of it : 'official' radio broadcasts should be mentioned as well. >Should they? > >I think we should stick to one endeavour at a time! Otherwise the remit >could extent to television, written media.......we'd go mad. I was only thinking about real concert broadcasts. There's only a few, like one per tour. The little media bits can be left till later. -klaus- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1131 Re: Complete tour lists? m.schaffer@i... Fri 2/21/1997 3 KB 1183 Re: Complete tour lists? John Burek Sun 2/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 1:00 am Subject: Re: cd release questions Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: slawlor > > I'm sure these have been asked before, if not illuded to, but I have > some questions about two tangerine recordings that I want to get on cd. > I was looking on cd connection, and I saw zeit, I guess it was reissued > by castle communications, and when I looked at the song list, I only > saw two titles. I remember this being a double album and having 4 > songs. and I don't think the castle reissue of poland is the same as > the double album I used to have either. My question is, are these > still available on cd the way that I remember? Thanks for the > information. > > scott K. Lawlor > http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor Hi Scott. I have the Castle release of 'Zeit' and it is complete. CD Connection can be a good source for CDs and for misinformation. :-) Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 8:03 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #840 Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 02:03 AM 2/20/97 -0600, you wrote: >> >> 2) Supernatural Fairy Tales - The Progressive Rock Era >> >What's to discuss? There's no TD on it. It does have Golden Earring, >> >though. Why, I have no idea. >> > >> >Scott >> >> Sorry to bother y'all. I guess I thought that putting TD in historical >> perspective had some instructional value. The readership of this list >> seems to have changed, since when originally conceived, discussions not >> only about TD, but also TD ex-members, and TD musical perspectives were >> intermixed ad lib. > >Naw, I wouldn't think it has changed. Sometimes a body can have a bad >hair day though. Don't let it phase you. This list could use a good >historian with a broad perspective. And I agree with you that TD is not >and never has been 'new age'. I detested it when the band got stuck in >there with Kitaro and David Arkenstone. Persist! It's your list too -- >Mark Hey, as long as there are SOME of us you like to connect dots, we are doing fine. Thanks for the kind words. >Really-From: 'Jonathan Block' > >Andrew J. Rozsa wrote: > >>>So, other than 'Searching' recorded ca. 1970 by Klaus Schulze ('previously >unissued'), 'Der Vierte Kuss' recorded by Ash Ra Tempel also ca. 1970 (and >also hitherto 'unissued'), brief comments by Klaus Schulze and Manuel >Gottsching, superior instruction, and a immensely valuable overview of the >evolution of the kind of music we profess to like, indeed there is little >of interest in this collection.<<< > >FYI. Altho listed as such, 'Searching' is not previously unreleased, but is >actually 'The Real McCoy' from disc 10 of the Historic Edition > >Jonathan See? I am learning something every day. I listen to so much music that I can hardly keep track of what I heard when and where. Clearly you have a fine ear for Klaus. Now, I will also listen to the stuff a bit differently. Also have a chat with Archie about the 'previously unreleased' tag. :-) I guess I am not a true TD or Schulze fan, since I like to put 10 CDs in the changer in the car, mix them up so I don't know which is which, then try to guess what I am listening to. Never have trouble identifying TD, no matter how much Andy Pickford or Radio Massacre International I have mixed into the 'soup.' But that's about it. The rest of MY listening is purely for total and unadulterated enjoyment. Nice chatting with you. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 1:55 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #840 Really-From: Rich Maggio > Underwater Sunlight is a peaceful album. At least that was my first > impression. i like it just as much as the others though. Peaceful? I never thought of this CD that way, but now that I think about it, you are right. It is peaceful, but yet has a strong and driving beat. A bit of a paradox. I guess the slow tempo is what gives it that 'peaceful' sense. I don't own any TD previous to Atem. I've heard some of it, but it doesn't really 'trip my trigger'. I think I might give it another try since one's tastes do evolve over time. I started out with the 'Jerome years' and worked my way back. Tangents was what brought me to fully appreciate the Virgin years stuff. It is only recently that I began to appreciate Phaedra. That CD sat on my shelf for years collecting dust. I HATED it. Now, I think it's great stuff! If you don't have it yet, you should check it out. Anyway, enough of my rambling.... BTW - this CD is among one of my favorites of TD's. Rich Maggio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 8:26 pm Subject: Subject: Mail Order CD Shops Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >Subject: Mail Order CD Shops > >Really-From: Rich Maggio [.......] >CD Europe is the place I had the bad experience with. I placed the >order toward the end of November. I placed an order for 4 CDs - >Pinnacles, Epsilon in Malaysian Pale, Thief, and Sorcerer. My first [.......] >my calling them. Their prices are very high compared to other places >and they have had MANY system problems where the server was down or >presented bogus information on the 'order status' page. In short, >I will never place another order with them. BTW - they have already >applied charges to my credit card even though they haven't sent me >the complete order. [........] Unfortunately, at least for us Americans, there are few alternatives as far as truly non-mainstream music is concerned. Once your collection of 'legit' TD is completed (like mine is), there are almost no sources for 'live' music (I like the Pink Floyd fans' usage of RoIO, Recordings of Indetermined Origin). CDE has and has had many RoIOs, some of them superb, albeit, as you point out, you have to wait for months to get your order and you pay through the teeth for them. I would LOVE to have someone straighten me out on this! Andrew P.S. While I expect to spend at least a half-a-kilobucks with Ranjit this year, getting money orders or waiting for checks to clear can be a pain sometimes. About the best thing about his arrangement is that it prevents impulse buying. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 2:52 am Subject: Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > > I know; pretty sickening, isn't it? And remember, boys and girls, > Crazy Eddie is the one responsible, while all the while, he doesn't > like Silva Screen releasing stuff like THE PARK IS MINE because he > can't TANGENT-ize it. More power to Silva Screen, I say!!! ;) :) If he did, I think it would be a big help; some of what Silva Screen has released barely qualifies as boot quality--and there are some better-sounding TD boots than _TPIM_ out there. > You know, if Ed spent half the time on regular TD releases that > he does milking 'new' songs out of old material on his box set scams, > maybe we'd have more than two really good TD efforts in five years!!! This is hard to argue with. Also, a lot of the kinds of sounds used on _Tangents_ seem to have been 'reserved' for that extra something special. I do have some trouble thinking of any recent TD pieces that used, say, the sounds of the Monolight remixes, for example. > -- Steven Feldman and > Gabe ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Yedid email: gabe@c... Dept. of Biology, McGill University bleo@m... Montreal, Quebec, Canada gyedid@p... 'Understanding is a three-edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth.' --Capt. John J. Sheridan, 'Babylon 5' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 3:00 am Subject: Re: Various TD-related Whoppers from the WWW Hi Steve. Check out the attached list. -- Mark PS: Georg Veltmann will be contributing to this also. tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Folks, > On the web the other day, I came across some odd items. > On a Sonic Images page , > there was mention of PERRY RHODAN: 'PAX TERRA'. Has this actually been > released? Is it hard to get? Is it *worth* getting? > On the page, , there > is a listing named 'Christopher Franke with Tangerine Dream - Feature > Film Credits.' There were two items there I've never heard about before: > > IDENTIFICATION OF A WOMAN > directed and produced by Michelangelo Antonioni > > SINGLE MAN > directed and produced by Bobby Roth > > On the page, we get > the following paragraph: > > | News also reaches us that Virgin Records are considering issuing CD > | versions of the Edgar Froese 'Ages' and 'Macular [sic] Transfer' dating > | from 1978 [sic] and 1982 [sic] respectively. The original soundtrack > | version of 'The Keep' has been put back and is now scheduled for late > | 1996/early 1997. > > Well, they mistook 1976 for 1978, and 1978 for 1982, so I have a > feeling this info is not too reliable to begin with! ;) > > -- Steven Feldman and > 'We decided to stop our work in this field for a while, because within ten years we did over about 64 soundtracks, mainly for American movies. And so, you can imagine, doing an average of six soundtracks each year, it costs a lot of energy, and as a composer, you put all your talent into sountracks, and there was not much time left for our studio records. And so we said, OK, we got to stop there, and move back into live activity, and studio albums and so on, you know, and that's what we did.' ================================================================= Films And Videos To Which Tangerine Dream Has Contributed ================================================================= -key- NAME_OF_PRODUCTION [premiere_date] - band_lineup producer/director, production_company/distribution_company Notes ----- This chronology is in the order of commercial release of the film. If producer and director is the same person, only one is listed. If production company and distribution company is one company, only one is listed. All text bounded by parentheses '(' ')' are comments and can appear anywhere. SORCERER [29 Jun 77] - EF/CF/PB William Friedkin, Universal/Paramount THIEF [25 Mar 81] - EF/CF/JS Jerry Bruckheimer+Ronnie Caan/Michael Mann, United Artists/MGM STRANGE BEHAVIOR [1981] - EF/CF/JS? Anthony Ginnane+John Barnett/Michael Laughlin, Hemdale Films WAVELENGTH [Aug 82] - EF/CF/JS James Rosenfield/Mike Gray, New World Pictures DAS MADCHEN AUF DER TREPPE ('The Girl on the Steps') episode of 'Tatort' [?? ??? 83] - EF/CF/JS? ???.../???..., WDR-TV MIRIAM episode of 'Tatort' [1983] - EF/CF/JS? WDR-TV/Peter Adam, WDR-TV THE KEEP [Dec 83] - EF/CF/JS Gene Kirkwood+Howard Koch/Michael Mann, Paramount RISKY BUSINESS [27 Jul 83] - EF/CF/JS Jon Avnet/Paul Brickman, Warner Bros STREET HAWK theme [4 Jan 84] - EF/CF/JS Bob Waltersdorf/Virgil Vogel, ABC-TV FIRESTARTER [9 May 84] - EF/CF/JS Dino De Laurentis+Frank Capra Jr/Mark Lester, Universal FLASHPOINT [5 Sep 84] - EF/CF/JS Skip Short/William Tannen, Tri-Star/HBO LEGEND [?? Apr 86] - EF/CF/JS Arnon Milchan/Ridley Scott, Universal/20th Century Fox THE PARK IS MINE [3 Jan 86] - EF/CF/JS HBO/Steven Hillard Stern, Astral Films/HBO DEADLY CARE [12 Mar 87] - EF/?? ???.../David Anspaugh, Universal/ABC-TV IDENTIFICATION OF A WOMAN [??? 87] - EF/CF/?? Michelangelo Antonioni, ???.../???... NEAR DARK [Oct 87] - EF/CF/?? Ed Feldmann/Kathryn Bigelow, De Laurentis Ent. Group/F-M Entertaiment THREE O'CLOCK HIGH [Oct 87] - EF/?? David Vogel/Phil Joanou, Universal CANYON DREAMS [Oct 87] - EF/?? Jan Nickman+Gary Warriner/-, Camera One/Miramar SHY PEOPLE [Dec 87] - EF/CF/?? Menahem Golan+Yoram Globus/Andrei Konchalovsky, Golan-Globus/Cannon Films DEAD SOLID PERFECT [1988] - EF/PH Bill Badalato/Bobby Roth, David Merrick/HBO RED NIGHTS [1987] - EF/?? Ron Wolotzsky/Izhak Hanooka, Trans World MIRACLE MILE [26 May 89] - EF/PH John Daly+Derek Gibson/Steve de Jarnatt, Tri-Star/Hemdale Films CATCH ME IF YOU CAN [Oct 89] - EF/?? Jonathan Krane+Don Shain/Stephen Sommers, MCEG/Virgin Home Ent. DESTINATION BERLIN [10 Dec 89] - EF/CF/PH Andreas Schnoor/Ernst Heiniger+Stefan Lukschy, Circle Vision THE MAN INSIDE [1991] - EF/?? Bobby Roth, ???.../???... HIGHWAY TO HELL [1992] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... THREE PHASE [1993] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... (Concert video, Seattle '92) OASIS [1996] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... ZONING [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/?? Angelika Hacker/Ulrich Krenkler, Scala Z Filmproduktion SINGLE MAN [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/?? Bobby Roth, ???.../???... HEARTBREAKERS [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/?? Lee Muhl+Harry Cooper+Josef Frank/Bobby Roth, ???.../???... TRUE NORTH [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... FORBIDDEN [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/?? Mark Forstater/Anthony Page, ???.../???... CODENAME: THE SOLDIER [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/?? Boyce Harman/James Glickenhaus, ???.../???... STRANGE BEHAVIOUR [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... CRAZY FOR YOU [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... THE EXORCIST [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... BURNING POINT BROOKLIN [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... BODY BODY [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... DAS VERBOTENE SPIEL ('The Taboo Game') [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... DEAD KIDS [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... EIN FUER ALLEMAL ('One For All') [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... FORBIDDEN [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... THE FURY [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... (?) FUTURE WAR 198X [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... GERADEUS BIS ZUM MORGEN ('Straight Ahead Until Morning') [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... HEISSER SCHNEE ('Hot Snow') [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... MECHANIC THUNDER [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... (?) NIGHTMARE CITY [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... NINJA [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... VISION QUEST [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/?? Jon Peters/Harold Becker, ???.../???... (Tangerine Dream music is in the movie but not on the OST album) OEDIPUS TYRANIUS [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... (Recorded June 1974, not released. Source of Overture track on 'V') RED HEAT [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... SPASMS [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... VAMPIRA [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... VEGETABLE PEOPLE [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... RUMPELSTILTSKIN [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... RAINBOW DRIVE [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? ???.../???..., ???.../???... (Bobby Roth was involved in this cable movie -- source: Brian Kirby ) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 3:22 am Subject: Re: COMA VIRUS Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Michael A Jean > > I finally tracked down a copy of the Coma Virus 'Hidden' CD. However, Now > I have a question...I seem to remember reading that a track from the CD > appears on a SIDE EFFECTS sampler. The title escapes me at the moment, > but none of the CD track titles sounded familiar. So, is there a unique > song available only on the sampler, or is my memory just faulty? > I seem to recall reading (in Horizon) that the sampler's track was not one of the _Hidden_ tracks. So yes, there is a song available only on the sampler. I am looking forward to checking CV out! Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 3:26 am Subject: Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman -snip- > I know; pretty sickening, isn't it? And remember, boys and girls, > Crazy Eddie is the one responsible, while all the while, he doesn't > like Silva Screen releasing stuff like THE PARK IS MINE because he > can't TANGENT-ize it. More power to Silva Screen, I say!!! ;) :) 'TPiM' has very serious problems and you know it Steve. I could easily live without it. Why do you say 'Tangents' is sickening? If you don't like it, you don't like it. You don't have to push everybody's face in it do you? It's good, accurate descriptions of what's on 'Tangents' and 'DRC' that we need to have a 'D: Tangents' and a 'D: Dream Roots'. Hell, maybe they should be considered entirely new albums. My two cents. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 3:34 am Subject: Shroyder/StarSound Really-From: Ken Alexander > Star Sound Orchestra released a 2CD 'live' set in 1995 (or > 1996) called Inter-Planetary Ambience (if memory serves). I > quickly snapped it up from a small shop in Aberdeen Can you (or someone else who has it) describe what this one is like? Thanks. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1114 Shroyder/StarSound Vic Rek Fri 2/21/1997 2 KB 1153 Re: Shroyder/StarSound Ken Alexander Sat 2/22/1997 2 KB 1164 Re: Shroyder/StarSound Ken Alexander Sat 2/22/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 3:28 am Subject: Re: Various TD-related Whoppers from the WWW Really-From: Mark Filipak I'm sorry about posting an attachment to the list. It was a mistake. I meant it to go to Steve privately. Please excuse the post. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 4:08 am Subject: D:Tyger Really-From: Vic Rek I give Tyger 3AS. My favorite song is 'Smile' and that's all I'll talk about for this album. I think the vocals on this CD are great and a nice change for TD to incorporate them. I disagree that the vocals ruin the album. There's something very soothing and seductive in hearing a beautiful female voice backed by TD. Now Tyger CD release info (not complete): 87 US Caroline CAROL CD 1341 - 6 tracks, 6 indeces Silver disc with design and logo cover 87 UK Jive CHIP 47 - 6 tracks, 5 indeces Silver disc with logo cover 92 US Relativity 88561-1055-2 - 7 tracks, extra 'Vigour' Black disc with Tiger cover (remastered?) 96 US Sequel 1048-2 - 6 tracks Yellow disc with Tiger cover (remastered from orig. tapes) All covers have slight variations from each other. Now as it relates to 'Smile'. Caroline 6:12 (great) Jive 6:12 (great) Relativity 5:54 (what happened here? - Poorest of the versions) Sequel 6:11 (the best!) That's it for this unconventional 'review'. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1119 Re: D:Tyger feldon@n... Fri 2/21/1997 2 KB 1121 Re: D:Tyger Mark Filipak Fri 2/21/1997 2 KB 1137 Re: D:Tyger dbrewer@a... Fri 2/21/1997 3 KB 1130 Re: D:Tyger slawlor Fri 2/21/1997 2 KB 1139 Re: D:Tyger Dennis Nigbur Fri 2/21/1997 3 KB 1147 Re: D:Tyger Mark Filipak Fri 2/21/1997 6 KB 1152 D:Tyger Mark Jones Sat 2/22/1997 4 KB 1180 London Glitch (was Re: D:Tyger) dbrewer@a... Sun 2/23/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 4:23 am Subject: Shroyder/StarSound Really-From: Vic Rek >Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 22:34:49 -0500 (EST) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Sender: tadream@c... >To: tadream@c... >Errors-To: tadream-request@c... >Subject: Shroyder/StarSound > >Really-From: Ken Alexander > > >> Star Sound Orchestra released a 2CD 'live' set in 1995 (or >> 1996) called Inter-Planetary Ambience (if memory serves). I >> quickly snapped it up from a small shop in Aberdeen > >Can you (or someone else who has it) describe what this one is like? Thanks. > Great stuff. Very similar to 'Planets' if you have it. It is a live album, so there are tracks from various releases that you can identify, but better. Very deep ambient music - I highly recommend this. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 4:47 am Subject: Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening Really-From: feldon@n... At 05:13 PM 2/20/97 EST, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >>[. . .] Book of Dreams which is a subset of Dream Roots, it is 2 discs >>and is sort of the 'best of' Dream Roots. [. . .] > > You mean I already spent $s on BOOK OF DREAMS, which is actually >2/5 (two-fifths) of DREAM ROOTS? That really blows. That's twice in two >years (the last time being the US and UK versions of DREAM MIXES. :( :( Actually, I would have rather gotten Book of Dreams instead of Dream Roots, it has what I wanted from Dream Roots. Maybe we could trade (for a little $)... And yes, I got burned on Dream Mixes US and UK too! >>[. . .] There is nothing like this for Tangents. > > Not commercially, but there was a US promo that was indeed a >TANGENTS Greatest Hits sorta deal. I have a copy. Damn! if you don't mind me asking you to sit down and write out the tracklist, if it's not too much trouble. > You know, if Ed spent half the time on regular TD releases that >he does milking 'new' songs out of old material on his box set scams, >maybe we'd have more than two really good TD efforts in five years!!! Hey! I wouldn't say that! I think that *some* of the changes are for the better. For starters, I love the new version of Logos Blue Part (I know that doesn't justify $55 but the unreleased stuff and some other stuff does). In fact, I dropped a hint a couple of messages ago expressing interest in 1988 concert tour b**ts. Hope someone caught it. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 4:55 am Subject: Phaedra Really-From: feldon@n... I guess it's pretty strange, but here's the order I started with TD: Miracle Mile Turn of the Tides Electronic Meditation after hearing this, I vowed not to buy any TD before 1983! Rockoon Phaedra in hindsight, it's funny how I was able to switch from Jerome years to Phaedra and really like it even on the first listen. Morgan feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1127 Re: Phaedra Plumer, Scott Fri 2/21/1997 2 KB 1128 Re: Phaedra Vincent Goudreault Fri 2/21/1997 3 KB 18392 Phaedra Christian Villazón Fri 10/15/1999 3 KB 18405 Re: Phaedra Greg Fri 10/15/1999 3 KB 22596 Phaedra Todd Tornow Tue 5/23/2000 2 KB 22610 Re: Phaedra Yensen, Stephen Wed 5/24/2000 3 KB 22636 Re: Phaedra Joe Shoults Thu 5/25/2000 2 KB 22611 Re: Phaedra Synthhtnys@a... Wed 5/24/2000 2 KB 22616 Re: Phaedra Feldon Feldon Wed 5/24/2000 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 5:04 am Subject: Soundtrack Info Update Really-From: feldon@n... >CANYON DREAMS [Oct 87] - EF/?? > Jan Nickman+Gary Warriner/-, Camera One/Miramar Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Paul Haslinger except track 8 (Colorado Dawn) composed and played by Jerome Froese. >ZONING [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/?? > Angelika Hacker/Ulrich Krenkler, Scala Z Filmproduktion Chris Franke left TD in 1987. This CD was recorded in 1995, released February 1996. Edgar Froese produced all the songs and Jerome also played on the first and last track. Morgan Marks feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1120 Re: Soundtrack Info Update Mark Filipak Fri 2/21/1997 3 KB 1122 Re: Soundtrack Info Update Mark Filipak Fri 2/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 5:07 am Subject: Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening Really-From: feldon@n... At 07:26 PM 2/20/97 -0800, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >Why do you say 'Tangents' is sickening? If you don't like it, you don't >like it. You don't have to push everybody's face in it do you? > >It's good, accurate descriptions of what's on 'Tangents' and 'DRC' that >we need to have a 'D: Tangents' and a 'D: Dream Roots'. > >Hell, maybe they should be considered entirely new albums. My two >cents. -- Mark Once again (broken record mode), I would like to do a webpage with lots of opinions and detailed comparisons of Tangents & Dream Roots. Morgan feldon@n... http://www.neosoft.com/~feldon/terramorph/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 5:10 am Subject: Re: D:Tyger Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:08 PM 2/20/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Vic Rek > >92 US Relativity 88561-1055-2 - 7 tracks, extra 'Vigour' > Black disc with Tiger cover (remastered?) > Am I the only one who could swear that the Relativity release sounds like it was played over an AM radio and rerecorded with a little voice tape recorder. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 5:22 am Subject: Re: Soundtrack Info Update Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: feldon@n... > > >CANYON DREAMS [Oct 87] - EF/?? > > Jan Nickman+Gary Warriner/-, Camera One/Miramar > > Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Paul Haslinger except track 8 (Colorado > Dawn) composed and played by Jerome Froese. Thanks for this -- I have 'CD' now but forgot to update. > >ZONING [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/?? > > Angelika Hacker/Ulrich Krenkler, Scala Z Filmproduktion > > Chris Franke left TD in 1987. This CD was recorded in 1995, released > February 1996. Edgar Froese produced all the songs and Jerome also > played on the first and last track. Actually, as this is the movie, not the CD, I'm looking for the 'original' soundtrack lineup and date of release which I believe did include Chris. > Morgan Marks > feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 5:35 am Subject: Re: D:Tyger Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: feldon@n... > > At 11:08 PM 2/20/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Really-From: Vic Rek > > > >92 US Relativity 88561-1055-2 - 7 tracks, extra 'Vigour' > > Black disc with Tiger cover (remastered?) > > > > Am I the only one who could swear that the Relativity release sounds > like it was played over an AM radio and rerecorded with a little voice > tape recorder. Mine sounds just fine -- rich, full, robust. Check the writing around the center hole mine says: '88561-1055-2 (V)' and 'MASTERED BY NIMBUS' What does your say? -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1137 Re: D:Tyger dbrewer@a... Fri 2/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 7:41 am Subject: Re: Soundtrack Info Update Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: feldon@n... > > > > >ZONING [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/?? > > > Angelika Hacker/Ulrich Krenkler, Scala Z Filmproduktion > > > > Chris Franke left TD in 1987. This CD was recorded in 1995, released > > February 1996. Edgar Froese produced all the songs and Jerome also > > played on the first and last track. > > Actually, as this is the movie, not the CD, I'm looking for the > 'original' soundtrack lineup and date of release which I believe did > include Chris. Well, duh. I was thinking of 'The Keep'. Never mind. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 7:55 am Subject: Re: Mail Order CD Shops Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-02-19 22:34:07 EST, you write: << I HIGHLY recommend CD Connection. I hope some of you will benefit from my experience. Rich Maggio >> I've had problems with CD Europe, too, but nothing like yours. Gads! BTW, how about a web-address for CD Connection. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 9:09 am Subject: Re: D: Tyger Really-From: Jens Kilian > Now that I think about it more, what bothers me about the vocals is that > she _sings_ them, not just recites them. I think I would have liked it > better had she merely recited the poems. It would have been more like > Kiew Mission. At least 'Tyger' and 'London' are meant to be sung. After all, they're from '*Songs* of Experience'. (I'm not sure if 'Little Fly' is also in there.) Blake himself used to sing his poems[1]. Greetings, Jens. [1] Source: Peter Ackroyd(sp?), 'Blake'. -- Internet: Jens_Kilian@b... Phone: +49-7031-14-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) MausNet: [currently offline] Fax: +49-7031-14-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 1:07 pm Subject: RE: TD T-Shirts from S.Bush concert and others Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >As long as we're registering complaints about TD T-shirts purchased at >shows, My '88 tour shirt is still growing strong. I haven't worn it in a while, though, it being winter and all. My '86 tour shirt has been ressurected as a night shirt for my four-year-old son (Cool! Tangera Dream!) Depends on who makes 'em, I guess. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 12:56 pm Subject: Really-From: paula@J... unsubscribe tadream digest /**********************************************************/ /* Paula */ /* paula@j... */ /* */ /* Sent from The Jungle Online */ /**********************************************************/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 1:32 pm Subject: RE: Phaedra Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I guess it's pretty strange, but here's the order I started with TD: >Phaedra > in hindsight, it's funny how I was able to switch from Jerome years to >Phaedra and really like it even on the first listen. Phaedra's about the earliest I can listen to for pleasure, too, but what I like about it is how it can be modern as well as a relic of the distant past. After all, they did an excerpt from it for the '88 tour (a part I really like to crank while driving). Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 2:23 pm Subject: Re: Phaedra Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Feb 20, 10:55pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Phaedra > Really-From: feldon@n... > > > I guess it's pretty strange, but here's the order I started with TD: > > Miracle Mile > Turn of the Tides > Electronic Meditation > after hearing this, I vowed not to buy any TD before 1983! How did you single out 1983? Since Electronic Meditation was released waaaay back in 1970, what made you believe that the band didn't produce anthing worthy between 1971 and 1983? > Rockoon > Phaedra > in hindsight, it's funny how I was able to switch from Jerome years to > Phaedra and really like it even on the first listen. > > Morgan > feldon@n... > >-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 2:38 pm Subject: TD as elevator music Really-From: PhilPDX@a... At my workplace, they usually play this AWFUL vocal jazz, really cheesy and frenetic. They used to play nice new age and electronic music - I actually used to hear Jean Michel Jarre and Jonn Serrie once in awhile. For one week awhile back, they switched back to this format. I actually heard Elf June and the Midnight Patrol in our elevators - I thought it was so cool. Alas, it was only for a week. But it was fun. Phil D. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1142 Re: TD as elevator music Plumer, Scott Fri 2/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 2:43 pm Subject: Re: D:Tyger Really-From: slawlor Hi there. The only two songs I like on this cd are Tyger and Alchemy of the Heart. Oh yeah, I like the instrumental section of London. And those three tracks after Smile don't fit either in terms of the content or musical style of the rest of the cd. I'm not sure which one I have, but Alchemy of the Heart, on my copy anyway, doesn't even fade in like on the original album. And I don't like the extra drums on the title track either. So out of all my t dream disks, which isn't that many, I only listen to this one for these two songs, and not very much either Maybe I'll give it 1 to 1.5 AS or something like that. If the original album version was on disk, I'd buy it, which would mean that I'd have better versions of the two songs that I liked. Well, that's it for now I guess. scott K. Lawlor http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 2:51 pm Subject: Re: Complete tour lists? Really-From: m.schaffer@i... > > Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) > > Sure, but John has a pretty complete collection, and he knows that he > can trust my list as well. Right, but that doesn't alter the fact that there are some tapes that _nobody_ has (AFAWK), because they were never recorded. John's point (paraphrased) was that while certain gigs remain unavailable, we can never fully ascertain that _precisely_ the same pattern was followed during a given tour; but we agreed in the end that, for practical purposes, we would assume such. Remember, I agreed with you! I was just playing Devil's Advocate (and also putting John's side of the argument.) > > I was only thinking about real concert broadcasts. There's only a few, > like one per tour. The little media bits can be left till later. Personally, I'd rather leave this out - while we stick with concerts only, our remit remains clear. We're not listing every single live and recorded performance ever - that was never the original plan. The point was to provide a record of what was played at each concert, and to that end, listing radio broadcasts doesn't add to the project. Thanks for the interest, though. Mark Schaffer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 2:51 pm Subject: I`m Back!!!! Really-From: James Williams Finally!! After about 4 months of constant Mail problems I can now send and receive external mail (seemingly) without any problems 8) Because of this problem I have missed any discussion that took place regarding the London Concert (Which was Great BTW). I find this very disappointing. The T-shirt Page is still there and i think can now be accessed without any problems on: http://www.java.cms.livjm.ac.uk/cmsjwil1/tadream.html If any one wishes to mail me direct use the following address from now on: cmsjwil1@l... Not any of the other addresses you may have. Phil D... Sorry for not getting in touch. I got Sonabulistic Imagery, Thanks I like it a lot. Matt W.... Hi. Get in touch and we`ll do some swaps. Scott P... Hi dude. Still up for producing an official List T-Shirt? All the Very best to all List Members Jim. --------------------------------------------- James Williams BSc (hons) Computer Studies Liverpool John Moores University School Of Computing And Mathematical Sciences England cmsjwil1@l... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 10:29 pm Subject: Is he trying to tell us something? Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi Gang, Found thison the space-music digest. Is this guy looking for a fight or what? >There is a Tangerine Dream list, but I personallly found it pretty low on >content. For subscription instructions, just search the web for one of the >Tangerine Dream web sites, which should tell you what you need to know. Actually, I think it's actually Ash Prema under an alias! Cheers David Only kidding, Ash! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 10:30 pm Subject: Time signatures Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >The great thing about TD's use of unusual time signatures is it doesn't >jump out at you - it's just used tastefully where it's appropriate. >Contrast with, for example, Rush, whose music often screams 'LOOK HOW >CLEVER WE ARE, EVERYBODY, WE'RE PLAYING IN 5/4 TIME!' I would agree with this, sort off. Rush are very good but I've become bored with it. I still listen to them but I prefer TD. In fact, I don't know of a single TD album I have that I've become mindlessly bored with the exception of a compilation album that I gave away anyway! The 'worst' Rush signature I found was 17/18 (I think) on the intro to 'Time Stand Still'. Sounds good but getting the timing right! Forget it! Cheers David From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 10:30 pm Subject: Offensive! Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi All, >Since I live in something like 'Britain' (problematic for me to say, >since I live in Northern Ireland), I realize that Britains refer to the >continent as 'Europe', and Britain as a country apart from that. >They don't want to mess that much with the French, Spainiards, >Italian, or - which would be the worst - Germans. >As always, they want to be something special.... > >(all this with lots of ;) ) Errr, but even with lots of ;) emoticons after this silly statment, I find this offensive. I'm sure that everyone on the list would be happier if you kept your childish remarks to yourself and refrained from perpertuating threads like the rather tedious 'names' issue. If this bites, tough! Somehow, I don't see your mindless comments going down too well on the Shankhill Road, matey! David From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: New release??? 'The Brick'??? Really-From: craigs@p... (Craig Shipley) Searching the Web to flesh out my Hawkwind collection, I can across a pending Tangerine Dream release titled 'The Brick'. US Domestic release, forty bucks, no indication of how many disks, no further info....Called the place to inquire about it, he has no idea what is onnit, but will e-mail me with details. Anybody know anything about this??? (OK, it was at www.rpmrecords.com andthe have one copy of Book Of Dreams left) And for you Andy Pickford fans, act now if you want a copy of his live CD! Supposedly only 500 copies to be pressed (according to CUE Records homepage...) Got mine on order.... :-) Also, would Paul Nagle contact me via private e-mail. I've heard your music and would like to buy a couple of discs, but having a hard time finding it. Thanks! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs@p... ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1159 Re: New release??? 'The Brick'??? Paul Nagle Sat 2/22/1997 2 KB 1187 Re: New release??? 'The Brick'??? Hermes Guzman Sun 2/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 6:05 pm Subject: Re: D:Tyger Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Mark Filipak > > > Quoted From: feldon@n... > > > > Am I the only one who could swear that the Relativity release sounds > > like it was played over an AM radio and rerecorded with a little voice > > tape recorder. > > Mine sounds just fine -- rich, full, robust. Check the writing around > the center hole mine says: > > '88561-1055-2 (V)' and 'MASTERED BY NIMBUS' > I think I went through this with you as well, Mark! I think you are one of the very few folks that got a Relativity copy that was pressed on a day when it was *not* dusty in the factory! :-) Seriously, though, you must be a little more tolerant about sound quality than alot of people. My copy (which is numbered the same) has some little flaws peppered throughout; like the dropout during the guitar solo in London (that specific point was edited out of the DRC version of the track), the intro to Alchemy clearly sounds like it was punched in in the middle of the recording, and the hiss and pops in parts of Alchemy (especially the beautiful piano part, played by Paul, right?). Granted, the recording is more than listenable, but I would have figured they were doing full digital recordings by this time. (but what do I know??) I'm considering getting the Sequel reissue just to hear the differences. BTW, with the trend that some artists put hidden tracks on their CDs, I was wondering - was Tyger the first CD that had a hidden track on it? (21CCM P2) Or maybe Poland, w/ Rare Bird embedded in Tangent? Just curious... (and things like the tape loop at the end of Sgt. Pepper don't count) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 12:10 am Subject: Re: Re: D: Tyger Really-From: anunes@m... Armin Theissen wrote: >This one single D:Tyger posting: was that mine? I can't remember whether I >posted it or not. No, you didn't. Before your message there are D:Tyger posts from Lars Jones, Phil N. and Scott Plumer. So, the world is waiting for yours! Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 11:41 pm Subject: Re: D:Tyger Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:08:26 -0500 (EST) tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Vic Rek > > >I give Tyger 3AS. >My favorite song is 'Smile' and that's all I'll talk about for this album. >I think the vocals on this CD are great and a nice change for TD to >incorporate them. I disagree that the vocals ruin the album. There's >something very soothing and seductive in hearing a beautiful female voice >backed by TD. > Sorry to disagree, but I cannot see what you like about the Smile. I find Tyger quite nice, and I certainly like Alchemy of the Heart, but my definite favourite on that album is London. The various poems used in it are skilfully arranged, and merge beautifully into the instrumental section which I think is the smoothest piece of music the Froese/Franke/Haslinger era has brought forth, alongside with Livemiles. I think the whole Tyger album is much underrated. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 12:51 am Subject: D: Tyger / 'offensive' Really-From: Armin Theissen So I've written this and forgot to post it. Here it is: D: Tyger...I waited long for this one. I like Tyger very much. Though I also like the tracks '20th century common man', I think they don't add anything to the overall feel of the album. For me, the album 'Tyger' is closed with 'Smile'. Tyger: I'm not much a fan of this song, but the vocals are definitely necessary. It is a pure song, and the music without the vocals as can be heard on several boots and/or fantapes is nothing. London: My favourite on Tyger. I feel not only poetry, but some kind of a vernisage, I imagine to be inside a huge conrete and steel building like the art museum in Bonn, and accidentially Tangerine Dream is playing in one corner and Jocyline%$* is reading Blake. The music is supporting the reading very well, it stays modestly in the background to let Jocyl%$* play the first part, but is right because of that very interesting since the single sounds (harpsichord-like sound and percussion, aah, ooh) seem much more isolated and exposed as in a 'usual' TD piece where there is so much that your attention is distraced. (Hey Edgar, Jermoe, Linda, you might want to visit these Bonn museums when you are visiting Bonn for a concert on April 11th. You may also walk into the museum for german history and see 'Electronic Meditation' exposed in the 60s/70s section!!! And if you're ready for a good blues session on the Thursday evening before the concert, go to the Jazz Galery on Oxford Strasse! If you bring your guitars, we might do a set, and Linda: our sax player recently left and the session always needs a sax!). Alchemy of the Heart: Here the music takes off as it didn't, couldn't and shouldn't in London because of the Lyrics. Smile: A perfect end of the album: classical Franke sequencer which finally reminds you 'this is TD', no much evolution in the track, vocals and music melt quite a lot - a wonderful piece to bring this masterpiece to an end. The rest: As already mentioned, I like 20thCCM, but it does not add anything to the Tyger concept, nor does 'Vigour' which I find very boring. No further comments. Armin PS: since it caused such a heavy reaction ('offensive!'), give me a chance here to a) apologize for misunderstandings (I was in a mood for writing a lot and posting immediately, and irony does not work on the internet, even with ;) 's) and b) defend: what I posted is what some people (britains) *tell me* after a few pints of beer with a lot of these ;) . Looks to me to be a common kind of joke between british and continental Europeans. So much to childish. c) tell you: I love to be in Britain and/or Ireland - otherwise I wouldn't have moved to here. Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1145 D: Tyger / 'offensive' paula@J... Fri 2/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 11:55 pm Subject: Re: D:Tyger--was it TD's original idea? Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On 20 Feb 97 12:07:19 EST tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> > > >Hi folks, > >No, I'm not making this up: I was in a shop in New York City about a year ago, >and, while browsing, over the PA system (which was playing some sort of 'light >music' station when I walked in) I heard something that sure got my attention: >it was either a blatant imitation of, or TD's possible inspiration for, the >'Tyger' album. > >Basically, imagine the track 'Tyger', but done with a different melody, >symphonic backing instead of electronics, and with a different female singer. I >listened to it, hoping to hear announced who had performed this, but the station >just segued into different music; I must have missed when the radio announcer >mentioned who actually performed/composed this. > >Anyhow, I wonder, does this scenario sound familiar to anyone? Another artist >poetically reciting the words to Blake's 'Tyger' to music? My impression was >that this might have been recorded in the 1950s, I don't recall why, but I've >never been able to track down who recorded this (though admittedly I haven't >tried to hard). But it would be very interesting to locate this music, if it >indeed preceded TD's 'Tyger.' > >--John I remember hearing a punk version of Tyger (must have been at some point in the 80s). As far as I can recall, the female singer cited only the chorus and was not bothered at all about the stanzas. It was rather poor compared with the TD version anyway, so I decided not to worry too much about who it was by, and when it was recorded. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 6:12 pm Subject: RE: TD as elevator music Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >At my workplace, they usually play this AWFUL vocal jazz, really cheesy and >frenetic. They used to play nice new age and electronic music - I actually I think there's an OSHA regulation against that; workplace hazard and all. :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 8:54 pm Subject: Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: feldon@n... > > At 07:26 PM 2/20/97 -0800, you wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > > > Why do you say 'Tangents' is sickening? If you don't like it, you > > don't like it. You don't have to push everybody's face in it do you? > > > > It's good, accurate descriptions of what's on 'Tangents' and 'DRC' > > that we need to have a 'D: Tangents' and a 'D: Dream Roots'. > > > > Hell, maybe they should be considered entirely new albums. My two > > cents. -- Mark > > Once again (broken record mode), I would like to do a webpage with lots > of opinions and detailed comparisons of Tangents & Dream Roots. Morgan (don't be rude) ... A web page done by you would be nice, assuming it happens, but it doesn't substitute for discussion on this list. Regards -- Mark > > Morgan > feldon@n... > http://www.neosoft.com/~feldon/terramorph/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 9:30 pm Subject: Re[2]: Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: Mark Filipak >Hi Brian. I appreciate your frustration and I share it. I have helped >many people to unsub -- you can just ask Dave. The unsub help that I >have accidentally posted to the list from time to time results from the >way Dave has the header processing set up. I've asked him to consider >processing the headers a different way but he has a system set up and >doesn't want to change it. Regards -- Mark Heh heh. {Sheepish look}. Uh, well it looks like I lost my cool for nothing. Hey, how 'bout those Bulls? -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 10:53 pm Subject: D: Tyger / 'offensive' Really-From: paula@J... unsubscribe tadream paula@j... /**********************************************************/ /* Paula */ /* paula@j... */ /* */ /* Sent from The Jungle Online */ /**********************************************************/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . . Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Various TD-related Whoppers from the WWW >Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:00:00 -0800 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > Films And Videos To Which Tangerine Dream Has Contributed >================================================================= > >-key- >NAME_OF_PRODUCTION [premiere_date] - band_lineup > producer/director, production_company/distribution_company > >HIGHWAY TO HELL [1992] - EF/?? There is only a track from MIRACLE MILE. I saw the part of the film where it occurs. >ZONING [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/?? So, Chris 'n' Ed recorded it, but Ed edited Chris' part out??? >SINGLE MAN [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/?? > Bobby Roth, ???.../???... First time I've heard of this one. >CRAZY FOR YOU [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? This was the working title for VISION QUEST a long time ago. >THE EXORCIST [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? Wrong. It was--all join in, now--Mike Oldfield. >THE FURY [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? Wrong. My two cents. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1181 Re: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . . Piotr Trzcionkowski Sun 2/23/1997 2 KB 1197 Re: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . . Plumer, Scott Mon 2/24/1997 2 KB 1216 Re: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . . Mark Filipak Mon 2/24/1997 2 KB 1218 Re: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . . Ken Alexander Tue 2/25/1997 2 KB 1237 Re: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . . Mark Filipak Tue 2/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 11:08 pm Subject: Re: D:Tyger Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: dbrewer@a... > > > Quoted From: Mark Filipak > > > > > Quoted From: feldon@n... > > > > > > Am I the only one who could swear that the Relativity release > > > sounds like it was played over an AM radio and rerecorded with a > > > little voice tape recorder. > > > > Mine sounds just fine -- rich, full, robust. Check the writing > > around the center hole mine says: > > > > '88561-1055-2 (V)' and 'MASTERED BY NIMBUS' > > > I think I went through this with you as well, Mark! I think you are one > of the very few folks that got a Relativity copy that was pressed on a > day when it was *not* dusty in the factory! :-) Seriously, though, you > must be a little more tolerant about sound quality than alot of people. > My copy (which is numbered the same) has some little flaws peppered > throughout; like the dropout during the guitar solo in London (that > specific point was edited out of the DRC version of the track), the > intro to Alchemy clearly sounds like it was punched in in the middle of > the recording, and the hiss and pops in parts of Alchemy (especially > the beautiful piano part, played by Paul, right?). Granted, the > recording is more than listenable, but I would have figured they were > doing full digital recordings by this time. (but what do I know??) I'm > considering getting the Sequel reissue just to hear the differences. > BTW, with the trend that some artists put hidden tracks on their CDs, I > was wondering - was Tyger the first CD that had a hidden track on it? > (21CCM P2) Or maybe Poland, w/ Rare Bird embedded in Tangent? Just > curious... (and things like the tape loop at the end of Sgt. Pepper > don't count) Dave! Has I dawned on you that you may have something wrong with your CD? Just for you and dispite your patronizing, I listened to the guitar solo of London 09:54 - 10:30 -- 1st part of guitar solo 11:06 - 11:46 -- 2nd part of guitar solo 12:29 - 13:19 -- 3rd part of guitar solo The only thing I heard that might at all be considered unusual is a 5 second change of 'lead' from guitar to keyboard and back to guitar at 10:12. Is this the 'dropout' you refer to? Was it bridged over (quite effectively I might add) on the mastering I have? Yes we have been through this before, but every time it comes up, it gets stooopid. This time, can you give me a time mark at which your 'dropout' occurs or are you going to continue to insist it exists and I'm just not hearing it? I agree about the intro to 'Alchemy' but I don't agree about hiss and pops. I think you just have a bad CD from a bad production run. My understanding is that making CDs is somewhat like making vinyl records. Anyone, please correct me if I err. There are mothers and stampers. Mothers are positive and are used to make stampers (which are negative) which are in turn used to make discs. After a certain number of discs, a new stamper is made from the current mother. And after a certain number of stampers are made from 'her', the mother is retired. When there are no more mothers, the production run is finished and the album is now out of production until and unless a decision is made to make new mothers. But if an active decision is made _not_ to make new mothers, then the album is out print. All this is why I'm interested in things like the fact that Virgin CDV 2097 (ie, 'Cyclone') appears to have had at least 5 production runs: 1985, 1990, 1994, 1995, and 1996. I would assume that for each of these, new mothers were made from the master mix tape. If one cannot distinguish between the various production runs, then this info is fairly useless, but it does show continued demand for the album. I would imagine that sometimes an entire production run may be flawed by a bad mother or set of mothers and/or a bad run of the production master tape -- you know -- a production engineer accidentally hits a mute stitch or something and either doesn't notice or doesn't give a s__t. 'What do I know?' you rhetorically ask. I don't know Dave but it would help if you remembered that everyone on this list is fairly intellegent and highly motivated to both appreciate and understand TD. Regards -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1152 D:Tyger Mark Jones Sat 2/22/1997 4 KB 1180 London Glitch (was Re: D:Tyger) dbrewer@a... Sun 2/23/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re Sickening TANGENT-izing Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Ducking for Cover' >Subject: Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening >Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:26:02 -0800 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >> Crazy Eddie is the one responsible, while all the while, he doesn't >> like Silva Screen releasing stuff like THE PARK IS MINE because he >> can't TANGENT-ize it. More power to Silva Screen, I say!!! ;) :) > >'TPiM' has very serious problems and you know it Steve. I could easily >live without it. Your choice. THE PARK IS MINE is one of my all-time fave TD albums. The fact that the sound is about on par with that of SORCERER doesn't mean it's not great. Note how the sound on LEGEND and GOBLINS' CLUB is about as good as TD sound has ever gotten, yet neither of these albums are in the 'Top Ten,' so to speak. >Why do you say 'Tangents' is sickening? If you don't like it, you don't >like it. You don't have to push everybody's face in it do you? It's Virgin (and Castle and Sequel) that is pushing everyone's face in it. I'm tired of the fact that there are upteen 'greatest hits' packages for TD--none of which I would recommend to anyone wishing to try the band out for the first time. The fact that all of them are transparent marketing ploys merely to sell product for one particular publisher is what sickens me. A true greatest hits sorta thing would include the tracks that count unaltered, in their original form, and from whatever label and/or publisher the music originates from. Folks used to joke about K-Tel Records, but at least those guys issued collections with original sources from scads and scads of different sources. (For a long time, K-Tel's BEST OF BOWIE was better than any collection Bowie's then-label RCA had on the shelves.) >Hell, maybe they should be considered entirely new albums. [. . .] They are. That's much of the problem. Paying $40+ for one new CD is annoying enough, but to have a sampler that is not a sampler because is it a remix fest rather than a real sampler is obnoxious. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1155 Re: Re Sickening TANGENT-izing feldon@n... Sat 2/22/1997 4 KB 1165 Re: Re Sickening TANGENT-izing Rich Maggio Sat 2/22/1997 3 KB 1260 Re: Re Sickening TANGENT-izing Robert Forman Wed 2/26/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 9:28 pm Subject: London Concert Really-From: Michael A Jean Perhaps what you thought was LOART was some of the 220 Volt music.... Regarding the Sheperd's Bush CD: There were a few problems with the packing, but each of my copies seem to play fine. One had a long streak of glue across it, and several had small scratches around the edges. I think the problem has more to do with the manufacturer than cardboard packaging in general... Mike J Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8557 Re: London Concert Paul Nagle Mon 11/10/1997 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 1:39 am Subject: tangerine dream vs. the orb??? Really-From: ' Thomas B' Any truth to the rumor that the orb and Tangerine Dream may play some combined dates in the US during the month of May. --spearman --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1151 Re: tangerine dream vs. the orb??? sean Sat 2/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 3:13 am Subject: Re: tangerine dream vs. the orb??? Really-From: sean > Any truth to the rumor that the orb and Tangerine Dream may play some combined > dates in the US during the month of May. Now THAT's a tasty rumour. Where did you hear this? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'I used to be indecisive, but now I just don't know' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 3:36 am Subject: D:Tyger Really-From: Mark Jones For any interested parties, here are my opinions and experiences with 'Tyger,' followed by a question of no matter... I picked up 'Tyger' in the summer of 1989, and after playing it once, thought very seriously about trying to return it for credit. Thankfully I never did. I didn't hate it entirely, but I didn't like 'Tyger' the way I did Tangram. I relished the new sound and thought the orchestration was superb. I wasn't quite so fond of Jocelyn Smith, who I thought took Blake's hope and despair and melodramatized them to the point of self-mockery, nor with the excerpts in 'London,' which at the time seemed just spliced together without any continuity at all. In fact, what bothered me most was that this album, unlike the seamless others, seemed to hang out at odd angles, the ultra-modern technology clashing with an 18th century poet. It wasn't until I sat down some years later, thinking that I didn't want to listen to Tangram (again) but didn't know what the hell else to listen to, that the album finally took hold of my imagination and showed me some incredibly fantastic images: a vast snowscape illuminated by the dying rays of the setting sun in some arctic plane; the interweaving of chains of amino acids to form the archetype of bride and groom of the subconscious mind; the tyger's exothermic roar heard across two centuries, shaking the bones and shattering the glass towers of commerce; and at the brilliant altar of otherwhere, the marriage of heaven and hell, matter and magic, flies and angels, neither one dissolving into each other but formed from the same 'stuff' that made snow and light. I sat in the ear-ringing darkness following the bittersweet refrain of 'Smile' and thought, Wow. How did THAT happen? How could this terribly overwrought, uncomfortably spliced thing do THAT? I still wasn't comfortable with the singing, but less so than before. It's all fingers and hands, I guess. The lesson for me was that my immediate likes, dislikes, and critical opinions are usually too definite to be trusted. As with anything of quality, Tangerine Dream requires time, patience, and an active imagination to fully appreciate. A little knowledge of music helps too. I do have one question that's always nagged at me. It's not terribly important but if someone has some insight or an answer I'd like to hear it. In the excerpt of London, where Mr. Blake goes wandering thro' each chartr'd street, Ms. Smith makes what I think is a mistake of pronounciation. My professors always pronounced 'Thames' as 'temz,' but in the TD track, it's pronounced to rhyme with James. Which is correct? Is this a period thing, or is there a slight faux-pas here? Thanks for letting me to post. Responses may be sent to: mjones@j... -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 3:37 am Subject: Re: Shroyder/StarSound Really-From: Ken Alexander [Star Sounds Orchestra's 2CD live _Interplanetary Ambience_ is] > Great stuff. Very similar to 'Planets' if you have it. It is a live album, > so there are tracks from various releases that you can identify, but better. > Very deep ambient music - I highly recommend this. I don't have 'Planets', so I'm not sure what style it would be. Hmmm. Can you express it in terms of TD or Schulze? If it were a TD or Schulze album, in which year would it have been made? Which album would the tracks fit on without arousing suspicion? :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 4:30 am Subject: D: Tangent (was: Re: Re Sickening TANGENT-izing) Really-From: Mark Filipak tan-gent --n 3. A sudden digression or change of course; go off on a tangent. [Lat. 'tangens' pr.part. of 'tangere', to touch] Many artists recapitulate or reinterpret earlier works later in their lives. Apparently, this is what Edgar has done with both 'Tangents' and 'Dream Roots Collection'. I say 'apparently' because I don't have either of these box sets -- I shall explain why this is. Steve Feldman's opinion is presented below. Many established people on this list share his opinion. It so happens that I don't usually buy 'best of' compilations because I don't see any point in it. If I have the originals (bla bla bla). More to the point, most comps don't hang together any better than '21st Century Common Man Part I' sounds right following 'Smile' (to recap a recent discussion of the album 'Tyger'). I don't usually buy comps precisely because the music is the same as the originals. That's why I mistakenly chose not to buy 'Tangents' in the first place and it's because I have now discovered that 'Tangents' is not a comp that I'm considering acquiring it at this late date. Steve, if I have it correct, you don't like 'Tangents' _because_ the tracks are different from the originals. That's fine, don't buy it. If you already have it, sell it to me. I think Steve and those who hold his views on 'Tangents' are missing the point entirely. What I wish they'd do is stop whining about it. > Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Ducking for Cover' > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > Why do you say 'Tangents' is sickening? If you don't like it, you > > don't like it. You don't have to push everybody's face in it do you? > > It's Virgin (and Castle and Sequel) that is pushing everyone's > face in it. I'm tired of the fact that there are upteen 'greatest > hits' packages for TD--none of which I would recommend to anyone > wishing to try the band out for the first time. The fact that all of > them are transparent marketing ploys merely to sell product for one > particular publisher is what sickens me. A true greatest hits sorta > thing would include the tracks that count unaltered, in their original > form, and from whatever label and/or publisher the music originates > from. Folks used to joke about K-Tel Records, but at least those guys > issued collections with original sources from scads and scads of > different sources. (For a long time, K-Tel's BEST OF BOWIE was better > than any collection Bowie's then-label RCA had on the shelves.) > > >Hell, maybe they should be considered entirely new albums. [. . .] > > They are. That's much of the problem. Paying $40+ for one new > CD is annoying enough, but to have a sampler that is not a sampler > because is it a remix fest rather than a real sampler is obnoxious. > > -- Steven Feldman and > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 6:04 am Subject: Re: Re Sickening TANGENT-izing Really-From: feldon@n... At 06:01 PM 2/21/97 EST, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Ducking for Cover' > > >>Why do you say 'Tangents' is sickening? If you don't like it, you don't >>like it. You don't have to push everybody's face in it do you? > > It's Virgin (and Castle and Sequel) that is pushing everyone's face >in it. Are you sure that Virgin, Castle, or Sequel were even involved in the production of Tangents? >I'm tired of the fact that there are upteen 'greatest hits' >packages for TD--none of which I would recommend to anyone wishing to >try the band out for the first time. The fact that all of them are >transparent marketing ploys merely to sell product for one particular >publisher is what sickens me. A true greatest hits sorta thing would >include the tracks that count unaltered, in their original form, and >from whatever label and/or publisher the music originates from. I totally disagree with you. I doubt that Virgin is making tons of money. Edgar did Tangents because he wanted to, not because he's hard up for cash. If he were broke, he would have done much less work on Tangents than he did. Why release a compilation where the songs are the same as the original releases? Tangents was released for Tangerine Dream fans, not people being introduced to TD. Edgar has stated that he wanted there to be something new about Tangents that would interest fans. >>Hell, maybe they should be considered entirely new albums. [. . .] > > They are. That's much of the problem. Paying $40+ for one new >CD is annoying enough, but to have a sampler that is not a sampler >because is it a remix fest rather than a real sampler is obnoxious. I see no point in real samplers. What's the point in buying a sampler if I've already got all the songs on other discs? The only reason I would spend money to buy a 'sampler' CD is if it contains alternate or modified versions of the original song. I'll buy three copies of Phaedra if they all sound different and show different angles on the same basic theme, but i won't buy 3 copies of the same disc! Morgan Marks feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 7:07 am Subject: Re: (orb) tangerine dream vs. the orb??? Really-From: andy@p... (Andrew Nourse) At 05:39 PM 2/21/97 -0800, Thomas B wrote: >Any truth to the rumor that the orb and Tangerine Dream may play some combined >dates in the US during the month of May. I HOPE SO!!! The Tie-Dyed Side of the Force From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 9:43 am Subject: FT/FS: 'Future Primitive' Really-From: Mark Filipak For trade(perferred) or sale: Paul Haslinger, 'Future Primitive' [1994] Wildcat, WLD-9211 $7 plus $2 shipping. mailto:filipak@k...?subject=Future_Primative From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 10:44 am Subject: Logos CD vs. Logos b**t - LONG POST! Really-From: feldon@n... I have just spent the past 4 hours comparing the Logos CD with tapes of the actual concert. Here's what I discovered. Note that where there is an actual time, it is a correspondance to the CD. When there is a relative time or a duration (like 5:30 long), that means it's extra music on the tapes. time description --------- ----------- 0:00-5:23 identical to CD 2 minutes bridge music 6:30 long Logos-Orange* My favorite unreleased segment! 2 minutes bridge music 4:00 long Logos-Equis** 1 minute bridge music 4:20 long Logos-Reflect* 5:40 long Logos-Stone* 3 minutes bridge music 4:40 long Logos-Storm* *:** long Replaying of an earlier TD song I believe *:** long Mojave Plan from White Eagle (played in its entirety) 5:23-33:30 identical to CD (45 seconds clipped at the front) It's shocking that the CD skips over almost an hour of concert, isn't it? 33:31-38:00 Several patterns have been selectively removed for the CD version. From listening to the tape, it must have taken HOURS to do the amount of editing they did here. 38:01-45:00 no identifiable differences (slightly re-equalized drum) *Indicates a name I made up for a section which I've digitized from the tape and sped up to normal speed (the tape is horribly slowed down for some reason). Each of the sound files I recorded from the tapes are between 23 and 34 megs and recorded at 44k, 16bit, mono. **Indicates a name I made up for a section that I just couldn't part with hard disk space for... Encores ------- #1 you'll have to forgive me. I don't own every TD, so this may or may not be a previous release... They practiced it for about half an hour BEFORE the concert during soundcheck. #2 a White Eagle song if memory serves... #3 Dominion (now that I listen to this, it's obvious to me that Edgar must have redone it from scratch on the Tangents boxed set) Morgan feldon@n... P.S. Still, if you look at it, Logos is the closest TD will ever get to a completely unmodified 'Live' album. It also shows what they can accomplish when put on the hot seat... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1170 Re: Logos CD vs. Logos b**t - LONG POST! slawlor Sat 2/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 4:04 pm Subject: Re: New release??? 'The Brick'??? Really-From: Paul Nagle On Fri, 21 Feb 97 9:15:14 PST, you wrote: >Also, would Paul Nagle contact me via private e-mail. I've heard your >music and would like to buy a couple of discs, but having a hard time >finding it. Thanks! Gosh - fame at last! 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 11:17 am Subject: attention Hans-Peter Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> We interrupt this program for a test of the Emergency Tang-cast System... weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee *************************************************************************** ********** Hello Hans-Peter, I've gone and forgotten you E-mail address, could you please send it to me at this address? Thanks! Lars *************************************************************************** *********** This has been a test of the Emergency Tang-cast System, had this been a 'real' emergency you would have been instructed to follow the appropriate hypertext link. We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 11:17 am Subject: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, timewind Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers: We were talking about the UK version of TOB that has the bonus track 'Quasar' (the AMP and TDI releases); I've also learned that this is the case with TOTT and the bonus track 'Story of the Brave' which is also available on the UK cd (TDI release)-- whereas us poor souls in the US (& Canada and Mexico too??) have to shell out for the CD5 in order to get the bonus tracks (do those on The Continent also have to shell out for the singles too?) I've seen the TOTT CD5 in at least two editions and think it is marginally available but with Quasar, only those lucky enough to have found one of the few copies of the TOB promo CD5 have it. I suppose that what is our loss (in north america) on one hand will also be our gain as these singles slowly creep up in price (I have already seen some of them advertised as low as $5 and as high as $25 and $50--admittedly a LITTLE TOO HIGH). Am I right in assuming that these singles weren't released in the UK because of the full-length cds? Can anyone confirm? Were the Dreamtime and Rockoon singles released in the UK or just US/NA??? Does anyone know the sizes of the releases of the miramar singles?? Even though these aren't the most popular albums, is there anyone in north america who is interested in acquiring the 'full-length' UK versions of these CDs (TOTT & TOB)--with the bonus tracks?? For that matter, does anyone want any of the legit releases that are difficult to buy in the states but widely available in the UK, like Shy People--which I think is one of their best soundtracks--or dead solid perfect or the various covers of any release or ..... If so, please E-mail me privately at 105411.3107@c... I remember some vague mention a while ago about some Private Music compilation with the td track 'oranges don't dream' that is unavailable elsewhere.... is this for real? if so, does anyone know anything about it? (like title, catalog number, date, price, availability, etc) or does anyone have an extra copy? I recently got the miramar video that was 'free' (for $5 s&h) for buying the miramar 10 cd compilation It's actually not bad at all but not nearly as good as true north which I really like alot. But watching this made me wonder about the videos TD has released or been 'married' to (NOT films, but things like canyon dreams, oasis, the dance mix videos--whenever it comes out!--true north and ..... what else??) does anyone have a complete list of their music videos that could be posted to the list?? are they all from the 'seattle years'? or are some from the 'melrose Years' also? or? also which is the laser disc type that has the separate music track? has anyone heard anything yet about Oasis on laser disc or on CD???? Thanks to the person (Tom W was it you?) who posted the number for alcazar music in reply to my _Rumpelstiltskin_ query.... I ordered the video and a voice-over cassette (the one with what's her name reading) sadly they were out of CDs and especially CDs/tapes of the TD-music only version. Now if I could just find the TD music-only version of Rumpelstiltskin, I would be happy-- Any suggestions dreamers? (well, OK, my happiness depends on finding the man inside and quinoa too but that would probably be pushing it...) finally I was under the impression that KS' 'Timewind' was not available... and then, lo and behold, I walk into Tower (or was it HMV?) in harvard square looking for td sbms and what do I find but 'timewind'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unfortunately it WAS the only copy they had. I love this album/cd this is, for me, one of KS's greatest works (along with mirage). I also bought trancefer since some of you spoke highly about it but, sadly, was not impressed (I didn't dislike it but it isn't moondawn or timewind or X or Live either....). Lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1167 Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, ti David Datta Sat 2/22/1997 2 KB 1177 Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, ti TWeibre361@a... Sun 2/23/1997 2 KB 1178 Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, ti TWeibre361@a... Sun 2/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 12:57 pm Subject: RE: The Prog box Really-From: John Battema Hi there; I have the Supernatural Fairytales box as well, and I'd have to agree about having little TD-style content (although the Seventh Wave track on disc 5 has some nice synth work). However, there's another recent box put out by Cleopatra called Space Box which has a bit more of the Krautrock. There's two Cluster tracks (well, one Cluster and one Kluster), a Conrad Schnitzler track (joy!), and a Brain track not from their Access and Amplify CD. It's a 3-CD set, and I picked it up for less than $30. I don't always keep up with my mail, so if this is old news, sorry (oops). adios john b ---------- From: tadream mailing list[SMTP:tadream@c...] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 1997 8:47 AM To: tadream@c... Subject: The Prog box Really-From: 'Jonathan Block' Andrew J. Rozsa wrote: >>So, other than 'Searching' recorded ca. 1970 by Klaus Schulze ('previously unissued'), 'Der Vierte Kuss' recorded by Ash Ra Tempel also ca. 1970 (and also hitherto 'unissued'), brief comments by Klaus Schulze and Manuel Gottsching, superior instruction, and a immensely valuable overview of the evolution of the kind of music we profess to like, indeed there is little of interest in this collection.<<< FYI. Altho listed as such, 'Searching' is not previously unreleased, but is actually 'The Real McCoy' from disc 10 of the Historic Edition Jonathan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 6:41 am Subject: Re: Mail Order CD Shops Really-From: Rich Maggio The URL for CD Connection is http://www.cdconnection.com Enjoy! Rich Maggio tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-02-19 22:34:07 EST, you write: > > << I HIGHLY recommend CD Connection. > > I hope some of you will benefit from my experience. > > Rich Maggio > >> > > I've had problems with CD Europe, too, but nothing like yours. > Gads! > BTW, how about a web-address for CD Connection. > > Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 1:09 pm Subject: RE: Shroyder/StarSound Really-From: John Battema HI there; The Star Sounds Orchestra live discs sound -- to me -- like older analog Orb sans the percussion, with more drones. It's pretty good, but not a heavy-rotation disc (set). jpb { ---------- From: tadream mailing list[SMTP:tadream@c...] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 1997 5:34 PM To: tadream@c... Subject: Shroyder/StarSound Really-From: Ken Alexander > Star Sound Orchestra released a 2CD 'live' set in 1995 (or > 1996) called Inter-Planetary Ambience (if memory serves). I > quickly snapped it up from a small shop in Aberdeen Can you (or someone else who has it) describe what this one is like? Thanks. } From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 6:57 am Subject: Re: Re Sickening TANGENT-izing Really-From: Rich Maggio > in it. I'm tired of the fact that there are upteen 'greatest hits' > packages for TD--none of which I would recommend to anyone wishing to > try the band out for the first time. The fact that all of them are > transparent marketing ploys merely to sell product for one particular > publisher is what sickens me. A true greatest hits sorta thing would Maybe I'm an exception, but Tangents is what expanded my TD horizons. My first exposure to TD were the Private years - Optical Race was my first exposure, Rockoon my first purchase. I tried older TD by buying Phaedra, but I hated it - I wasn't 'ready' for it. I bought Tangents after purchasing White Eagle and Logos. After hearing material from Rubycon, Stratosfear, and Tangram, I was ready to brave the waters. I was pleasantly surprised. If it wasn't for the exposure that I received by Tangents, I'm not sure I would have plunked down hard earned $$$ on earlier TD. Especially after having been 'burned' by Phaedra. Older TD can be overbearing at first. Tangents (IMHO) does a very good job of taking this material more 'accessible' to newer listeners. Now that I have all of the CDs featured on Tangents, I still listen to it. I think it is a nice mix. It isn't a substitute for the original CDs, but I think it is a good collection. I don't feel I wasted my money on it at all. BTW - Phaedra is amongst my favorite TD CDs now. Rich Maggio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Another odd time signature Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... Another piece with a funny time signature has just occured to me. 'Grind', from Sorcerer, has a sequencer that counts in 3s whilst all the keyboards over the top count in 4s. Result: a constant moving in and out of phase a la the 'phase music' of Steve Reich et al. Glynn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 5:26 pm Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, timewind Really-From: David Datta : Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> : I remember some vague mention a while ago about some Private Music : compilation with the td track 'oranges don't dream' that is unavailable : elsewhere.... is this for real? if so, does anyone know anything about : it? (like title, catalog number, date, price, availability, etc) or does : anyone have an extra copy? Oranges Don't Dance is the title of the single and it contains the following tracks (all are the album versions) 3:13 Optical Race 3:43 Paradise Cove 3:24 All of a Dither 8:17 Marakesh 5:44 Melrose From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 7:07 pm Subject: D: Tyger Really-From: Boneheads1@a... The matching of William Blake's poetry and Tangerine Dream's music is synergistic. They both have powerful qualities of simplicity, they are concise and use repetition, variation and rhythm to poignant effect. I totally agree that the Tyger album is the first four tracks. The additional material added on the CD versions is an afterthought and stands alone and apart from the original album. I wish people could still get introduced to Tyger without the 'bonus tracks', which can afterwards be appreciated as that. The song Tyger is one of those strong melodies (like Stuntman) that just seems to stay with me. It has always been one of my favorite poems. The rolling synchronization of London supports the vocals without intrusion. The instrumental bridge in the middle is clear enough to walk across. The instrumental section at the end takes this simple foundation and blossoms. Alchemy Of The Heart carries a climax beyond physical limitations. It is one of the unique TD instrumentals. It's hard to imagine any other band doing the song 'Smile'. It's as if the music is bursting from within the poem. --pause, deep breath, start bonus tracks-- 21st Century Common Man could be straight off of the White Eagle 45. Vigour could be from Lily On The Beach. The Relativity version of the song Tyger has an interesting rhythm part, but the original is the one ingrained in my memory. Still, I would like to hear the Relativity version remastered. I'll listen to Tyger anytime. When I first got a CD player and looked at converting my albums to CD, Tyger was one of the first ones got. I don't know where it came from, but I'm glad that TD is willing to find such fertile collaboration. Tim Scallon From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 1:26 pm Subject: Re: I'm Back!!!! Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 02:08 AM 2/22/97 -0600, you wrote: >Really-From: James Williams [...] >The T-shirt Page is still there and i think can now be accessed without >any problems on: > > http://www.java.cms.livjm.ac.uk/cmsjwil1/tadream.html Hello, James, Last time I looked in on y'all there was consensus that an unofficial official fans' TD T-shirt was going to be created and we would, eventually, have access to purchasing them. While I am not willing to repeat my foolishness with Jean Michel Jarre's 'fan' club (ended up costing me about US$ 80 for a darned T-shirt), I, and am certain MANY others would love to be able to sport our main music interest. My last looksee at the T-shirt page revealed designs which, without fail, would have ALL been acceptable to me. Some were truly outstanding. So what's the status quo? Dare we hope? Andrew (Posted and e-mailed) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 7:25 pm Subject: Re: Logos CD vs. Logos b**t - LONG POST! Really-From: slawlor Hi there. How can I get a copy of this logos tape of the show? Leave me mail and maybe we can come up with a trade or something. scott K. Lawlor http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 8:07 pm Subject: Oasis soundtrack Really-From: Gary Struhlik Does anyone know, if the 'Oasis' soundtrack will be released on CD or is there only a limited editon on video tape ? /==============================================================\ |My new eMail address is gary.struhlik@b... | |Please use this eMail address only !!! | |Meine neue eMail Adresse lautet gary.struhlik@b... | |Bitte benutzen Sie nur diese eMail Adresse !!! | \==============================================================/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 2:25 am Subject: Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-02-20 17:21:59 EST, you write: << You know, if Ed spent half the time on regular TD releases that he does milking 'new' songs out of old material on his box set scams, maybe we'd have more than two really good TD efforts in five years!!! >> best comment ive read on this list in a while....kudos... tom w np: tdream - washington, dc - 4APR77 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 6:53 am Subject: Re: Mail Order CD Shops Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-02-19 22:34:07 EST, you write: << So, in short, if any of you are considering placing an order for CDs over the internet, I HIGHLY recommend CD Connection. I hope some of you will benefit from my experience. Rich Maggio >> What is their web page address? Thanks. Phil D. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 6:53 am Subject: Re: TD before 1983 (was Phaedra) Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-02-21 09:31:07 EST, you write: << > after hearing this, I vowed not to buy any TD before 1983! How did you single out 1983? Since Electronic Meditation was released waaaay back in 1970, what made you believe that the band didn't produce anthing worthy between 1971 and 1983? >> I second that. I hope you aren't serious. TD's best, IMHO, was released between 1973 and 1985, the very best being 1979-1983. (Force Majeure, Tangram, Thief, Exit, White Eagle, Logos, Hyperborea - awesome, all 4 and 5AS's, mostly 5's.) Phil D. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1175 Re: TD before 1983 (was Phaedra) feldon@n... Sun 2/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 7:22 am Subject: Re: TD before 1983 (was Phaedra) Really-From: feldon@n... At 01:53 AM 2/23/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: PhilPDX@a... > > >In a message dated 97-02-21 09:31:07 EST, you write: > ><< > after hearing this, I vowed not to buy any TD before 1983! > > > How did you single out 1983? Since Electronic Meditation was released >waaaay > back in 1970, what made you believe that the band didn't produce anthing > worthy between 1971 and 1983? Well, that was the the thing, I didn't know. I had no clue. I assumed that TD had TWO phases and Electronic Meditation was from the first phase. Little did I know that TD has had at least SIX MAJOR PHASES... So when I bought Phaedra, all was right in the world again and I immediately started snapping up stuff like Force Majeure and Logos. >I hope you aren't serious. TD's best, IMHO, was released between 1973 and >1985, the very best being 1979-1983. (Force Majeure, Tangram, Thief, Exit, >White Eagle, Logos, Hyperborea - awesome, all 4 and 5AS's, mostly 5's.) Indeed, my favorite TDCDs are Logos, Phaedra, and Force Majeure. Tangram, Thief and Hyperborea are on my purchase list. Honestly, even though TD played lots of White Eagle during the Logos concert (the concert was 2 hrs), I am still not all that impressed with it. The last track on the disc is the only thing I really like on it. The first track is about a 3AS- with me. Anyone want to respond in private about the relative merits of Exit and Hyperborea? Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 3:05 pm Subject: 70/90 and Sol Et Luna Really-From: TheSmitter@a... Hi, Are the b**ts 70/90 and Sol Et Luna worth pusuing? I heard 70/90 is a collection of rare and unreleased tracks. What period does this cover? If too great a period, does it flow well? Thanks for the info, Larry Smith From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 6:17 pm Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, timewind Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-02-22 06:25:01 EST, you write: << Thanks to the person (Tom W was it you?) who posted the number for alcazar music in reply to my _Rumpelstiltskin_ query.. >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 6:19 pm Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, timewind Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-02-22 06:25:01 EST, you write: << Thanks to the person (Tom W was it you?) who posted the number for alcazar music in reply to my _Rumpelstiltskin_ query.. >> glad to help...regrds, tom w From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 7:15 pm Subject: D: Tyranny Of Beauty Really-From: Boneheads1@a... Tyranny Of Beauty is meant to be played loud. It has more of an 'electronic' groove than Turn Of The Tides. The synthesizers provide more layers and are more orchestrated with the guitar & sax. Zlatko is gone, and so are his tremendous 'rock-jazz fusion' stylings. The new guitars are perhaps less mainstream, and more treated and blended with the music. I guess you could say it is more in the old Tangerine Dream tradition. The drums are definitely leaning toward the Dream Mixes vein. There are all types of drums, percussion, tuned percussive sequences, etc. that layer and syncopate with more layers of thematic melody phrases and a wide variety of interesting sounds. Dynamically this is an intense album. The album title suggests an inspired, possessed, even disturbed quality (like Stratosfear). Artistically it seems to address the will to pursue beauty over the sacrifice and resistance thereby incurred. As such it is a brilliant expression. I think the album is a varied set of musical impressions coming from a band in transition. The pieces are well balanced with each other, although the titles and associated imagery may be very different. Stratosfear 1995 and Largo are perhaps the exceptions. These two pieces structure the set. There is a lot of music on this album. Really listening to it can be a draining, enriching experience. Tim Scallon From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 8:35 pm Subject: London Glitch (was Re: D:Tyger) Really-From: dbrewer@a... To quote my old high school drama teacher, 'Open mouth, insert foot and chew vigorously!' I apologize for my conjecture, Mark. Of course you know your CD's better than I do. It was pretty stupid of me to make assumptions about you and your disc. (rather juvenile as well!) > Quoted From: Mark Filipak > > Dave! Has I dawned on you that you may have something wrong with your > CD? Just for you and dispite your patronizing, I listened to the guitar > solo of London > > 09:54 - 10:30 -- 1st part of guitar solo > 11:06 - 11:46 -- 2nd part of guitar solo > 12:29 - 13:19 -- 3rd part of guitar solo > > The only thing I heard that might at all be considered unusual is a 5 > second change of 'lead' from guitar to keyboard and back to guitar at > 10:12. Is this the 'dropout' you refer to? Was it bridged over (quite > effectively I might add) on the mastering I have? Okay, here we go. Here's how my disc behaves: 11:06 -- Guitar solo starts (I personally don't consider the stuff right before to really be part of the solo, but whatever) 11:31 -- the glitch occurs 11:49 -- the solo stops. etc... When I think about it, it seems like the glitch could be in the master, not the disc, since it sounds like a quick, high pitched squeak. The only times I've heard a sound like that was whenever I don't do a clean punch-out and back in between songs when I record a collection of songs onto tape. So it at least *sounds* like a glitch on an analog master. > > Yes we have been through this before, but every time it comes up, it > gets stooopid. This time, can you give me a time mark at which your > 'dropout' occurs or are you going to continue to insist it exists and > I'm just not hearing it? > Everytime was just once before... Anyway, I just forgot about it for a while until someone else mentioned something about it. > I agree about the intro to 'Alchemy' but I don't agree about hiss and > pops. I think you just have a bad CD from a bad production run. > That is a most reasonable explanation, Mark. I also appreciate the info on the process of pressing CD's. Believe it or not, in my ignorance I always thought that unless different master tapes were used, any two copies of a CD were virtually identical. I see now that is not the case! So, not all copies of Tyger have this damn glitch on London. This leads to the biggest head scratcher to me -- why did Edgar edit out that specific spot on the DRC version of the track? I would assume he'd get the best quality master possible for the box set, and obviously there is a better master out there (assuming the glitch is on the master) than the one used for my copy... Now we need to put this puppy to bed (quoting the same teacher), except for the DRC version question (and don't anybody tell me that it is not like that on their copy, or I'll scream! ;-) ). And if anything like this comes up again, I'll make damn sure I don't step on any toes before I hit 'Send'. The last thing I want to do is piss off anyone from this list. I value the opportunity to correspond with other fans of the best band on the face of the Earth. I really consider you all good friends of mine. Humbly, Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 8:26 pm Subject: Re: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . . Really-From: Piotr Trzcionkowski > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >ZONING [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/?? > > So, Chris 'n' Ed recorded it, but Ed edited Chris' part out??? dir. Ulrich Krenkler as informs ZEFIV publication. -- Piotr Trzcionkowski tel. +48 (0-32) 1-284-907 http://www.cto.us.edu.pl/~trzcionk From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 9:56 pm Subject: Zoning (was: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . .) Really-From: Mark Filipak Per 'Robert Schmenger' Edgar recorded and entirely new soundtrack for the video that came out in 94. The feature film that played in Germany in 87 had an entirely different soundtrack and much supperior to that on the 94 video. Ask Robert for the details as I don't feel I can post his private mail to me. Regards -- Mark tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Piotr Trzcionkowski > > > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > >ZONING [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/?? > > > > So, Chris 'n' Ed recorded it, but Ed edited Chris' part out??? > > dir. Ulrich Krenkler > > as informs ZEFIV publication. > > -- > Piotr Trzcionkowski > tel. +48 (0-32) 1-284-907 > http://www.cto.us.edu.pl/~trzcionk From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Complete tour lists? Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >>Really-From: m.schaffer@i... >>> Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >>> >>> Sure, but John has a pretty complete collection, and he knows that he >>> can trust my list as well. >>Right, but that doesn't alter the fact that there are some tapes that >>_nobody_ has (AFAWK), because they were never recorded. John's point >>(paraphrased) was that while certain gigs remain unavailable, we can >>never fully ascertain that _precisely_ the same pattern was followed >>during a given tour; but we agreed in the end that, for practical >>purposes, we would assume such. >>Remember, I agreed with you! I was just playing Devil's Advocate (and >>also putting John's side of the argument.) Actually, folks, I think what we finally agreed to list was pretty much what Klaus has been suggesting all along: not only tracklists for each tour/one-off show, but a list of known dates for each tour, along with fantape availability, indicating source (audience or radio) and longest known runtime. Of course, to try and list EVERY tape and radio appearance (i.e. interviews, etc.) is a job for another day (or year, one might say). Anyhow, the revised 1992 tracklist that should go up in the next day or two should reflect the full scope of the project. >>Personally, I'd rather leave this out - while we stick with concerts >>only, our remit remains clear. We're not listing every single live >>and recorded performance ever - that was never the original plan. The >>point was to provide a record of what was played at each concert, and >>to that end, listing radio broadcasts doesn't add to the project. >>Thanks for the interest, though. Well, I think a recording of every KNOWN radio broadcast of TD live music exists in fan hands, so we'd be listing this data for each tour, anyway, when we detail each tour's shows (differentiating, as mentioned, between audience and radio recordings) so I suppose the point here is moot, no? Cheers, John From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 9:56 pm Subject: Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening -Reply Really-From: florin epure >> I know; pretty sickening, isn't it? And remember, boys and girls, >> Crazy Eddie is the one responsible, while all the while, he doesn't >> like Silva Screen releasing stuff like THE PARK IS MINE because he >> can't TANGENT-ize it. More power to Silva Screen, I say!!! ;) :) I think Silva Screen has done an excellent job actually giving us the possibility to hear the master tapes for TPiM, Deadly Care and others. In my opinion TPiM is one of TD's best soundtracks.Each of these releases have some good tracks - o.k. not all tracks are excellent but I really like them as an overall release. >released barely qualifies as boot quality--and there are some >better-sounding TD boots than _TPIM_ out there. Yes but you don' have any boots with TPiM and Deadly Care... We would have never heard them if it weren't for Slva Sreen. (Hopefully they'll do some more...) And about tangentizing:O.K. you can 'tangentize' it, but don't mix some new sounds on the original sound of a track - either 1.re-record it with all these new amazing instruments or 2.give us the original release - but don't mix them, please. And also in case 1, please re-record the whole track not only a 2-3-4 min excerpt or put a part on one cd and another part on another cd. Florin. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 10:04 pm Subject: Re: cd release questions -Reply Really-From: florin epure > I was looking on cd connection, and I saw zeit, I guess it was >reissued >Hi Scott. I have the Castle release of 'Zeit' and it is complete. CD >Connection can be a good source for CDs and for misinformation. :-) >Mark Actually there is I think 1 min - 1 min 30 maybe missing from track 1 & 3 (original double CD Zeit has 76 min total) - the new one has around 74 min (I don't have the exact run-time of the castle release but it is just a little shorter than the original) - tracks 2 & 4 are integral. Florin. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 11:09 pm Subject: The Brick explained Really-From: Michael A Jean The Brick is scheduled for OFFICIAL release on the 25th of February. It is already in a few stores in the Chicago area, but don't get too excited. It is a Mirimar release that combines all five Grammy Nominated TD albums at one low price ($35-$40 US): CAnyon Dreams, Rockoon, 220 Volt, Turn of the Tides, and Tyranny of Beauty. The only thing that might be of interest is that it includes on offer for a free poster inside. I don't know what kind of poster it is, because I didn't buy it! Mike Jean, Chicago From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 10:34 pm Subject: Re: New release??? 'The Brick'??? Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! The only info I have about 'The Brick' is that it is a multi-CD package from Miramar. Whadda ya wanna bet it just the Seattle albums repackaged? goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 10:34 pm Subject: FEBRUARY FAQ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! Sorry about the delay, and about the size of this post. I'm in the middle of a very bad personal situation, so my attention has been and will continue to be elsewhere. This is the first time in quite a while that I've been able to just sit down and 'play'. Also, due to the lateness of this FAQ, the contest section will not be included. I'll resume it next month, so get those brain cells ready! As I mentioned in the first monthly FAQ, I would include all previously answered FAQ's from that month into the main Monthly FAQ list, with any corrections or updates incorporated. So forgive the repitition of some of this as well. ===FEBRUARY FAQ=== ===TD LIVE FAQ=== Is it live, or is it Memorex? ALL TD concerts have had at least a little studio work done to them, ranging from simple master fades to complete resequencing; some are in fact entirely a studio creation! In order of appearance: _RICOCHET_- The live album _Ricochet_ was created by editing and mixing together Edgar's hotel studio piano solo at the beginning of 'Ricochet pt. 2' with either 40 hrs. of material from various venues from the '75 Europe Tour, or from the Coventry, Croydon and Reims shows specifically (it depends on which of the various promotional statements and interviews given at the time that you hear or read.) In any event, the drums that are present on the recording are a studio creation added as an embellishment during the editing stage. It is also possible that the _specific_ shows mentioned above featured them (I haven't heard 2 of the three...) as _taped_ accompaniment (you can hear the drums _fade_ in and out of 'Ricochet pt. 1.) Which then brings up the point that Christoph really _didn't_ put his drums away after _Atem_... _ENCORE_- The first North American tour from TD in 1977 provided fans with another wonderful live album, with the added bonus that this time most of it really was live! Only very minor studio work was performed on the sequences from the shows (really just edits and fades), as evidenced by several of the fantapes from the tour (specifically the Santa Monica and DC dates.) However, the band also decided to use the 'Overture' track from the _Oedipus Tyrannus_ production, as well as some rehearsal material, to flesh out the album. Although the recording seems rough (which to my ears just reinforces the point), this remains the closest thing to a perfect representation of what a '70's TD concert had to offer. _PERGAMON_ (A.K.A. _QUICHOTTE_)- While there is basically no difference between the two shows performed that day (at least as far as I have been able to determine among all my various fantapes/LP's/CD's of the shows), they remain unique among the shows from '80. This show was performed excclusively for the E. Berlin audience (and, of course, whoever was listening on the radio), despite what some have said about hearing it in '80, '81 or wherever. The first set (Evening TT: 37:27) opens with white/pink noise generators and sfx (4:30), and then segues into what was essentially an edited preview of _Tangram_ (11:20), which had yet to be released, and then moves into a long sequencer-oriented piece (21:37), similar to (but _not_ the same as) the second half of the second set ('Quichotte pt.2'). The afternoon version of this set was originally issued as _Staatsgrenze West_, with part of the wonderful encore track to tease us. The second set provided the raw material for _Quichotte_/_Pergamon_. Part of the contract for TD's performance in E. Berlin was to have it broadcast by State-run Radio and TV stations, with the stipulations that the album release be different from the broadcast, and not available on a western label for 6 years. So what you hear on _Quichotte_ is not really the set as performed at all; Pt. 1 is essentially the same, with the odd difference here and there. The 'Maelstrom' link segment between the two parts is exactly the same. Pt. 2, however, is a studio creation based on ideas of the last halves of Set 1 and Set 2, with the basic sequencer stucture and guitar solo being entirely a studio creation. For the re-release as _Pergamon_, the band simply added a (very) little more to the end of Pt. 2. There is also a 12 min. encore that is the highlight of the whole show, IMVHO. Unfortunately, it hasn't appeared on any bootleg in its full length...yet. ; ) _LOGOS_- This gets the award in the 'Released As Performed' catagory! _Logos_ is essentialy comprised of the second set from the '82 UK Tour, plus one of the encores, 'Dominion'. Why I say _essentially_ is due to the fact that the first 6:45 is an ever-so-slight remix of the first 6:45 of the actual first set opening, which is in place of the actual second set opener, 'Mojave Plan - Canyon Part' (and before _anyone_ asks: no, not the _Tangents_ version; the second half of the _White Eagle_ version!) and a short linking piece (the terrorists' 'Harbor Entry' music from the film The Soldier.) This was done so that the entire release would be comprised of new material only, while retaining most of the integrity of the second set. As it happens, they could have released set one and achieved the same result by merely replacing 'Choronzon' with an equivalent segment from set two; there are an additional 23 minutes from this set that have never been _officially_ released! The boot CD-R _Logotypes_ does contain this material, though. _POLAND_- This gets the second runner-up award in the 'Released As Performed' (only because _Encore_ came out first!) This CD (make sure you get the Relativity 2 CD set!) is _this close_ to being a truly accurate representation of the '83 Poland Tour, and the Warsaw Concert specifically. The changes in the material from the show to the disc were done for two reasons: sound quality limitations of vinyl meant reducing the lenghth of some of the segments, and the power kept going out during the concert! About 8 minutes was edited from 'Poland' alone! However, the essence of the concert remains on the official release, as the edited material was just extensions of the themes and some of the bridge material. _LIVEMILES_- More like _Studiomiles_! I know what the liner notes say. I know what the Official Homepage says. But I also know that what my own ears are telling me is quite a different thing! Having been present at the Alberquerque concert, and in possesion of a fantape of said show, I can unequivocally state with absolute accuracy that _not_one_single_bit_ of 'Livemiles: Alberquerque' was performed at that concert! It has _got_ to be a studio session! Either that or the soundcheck was _really_ something! If you have the _Sonambulistic Imagery_ boot, then you essentially know the entire tour program, including the Alberquerque show. The only real differences were in the guitar solos. Although for some dates, 'Dominion' replaced 'Bois de Boulogne' As for 'Livemiles: Berlin', it, too, is not what it seems. This was a special concert contracted by the City of Berlin for the 750th anniversary celebration, which holds the performance rights to this concert. The concert was performed on Aug. 1, '87, and eventually broadcast on Oct. 22 that same year, after some _slight_ studio work was done to it. In order to release it for _Livemiles_, however, the band had to completely reperform the material chosen for the CD, due to the contract with the city. The opening track, 'Sunnyvale', is pretty faithful to the concert version, with just some minor voiceing changes. Ditto the second track, 'Caspian Sea'. However, the last track, 'Dolphin Dance', is a totally different version of what was performed. The version as played in the concert was the same version as the '86 UK/US Tours. This entire concert can be found on the boots _Antarktis_/_20th Century Serenades_ in absolutely great quality. _220 VOLT LIVE_- This disc captures the essence of the '92 Tour quite well. In the original press releases for _220_, it was stated that there would be _78_ minutes of never before released music on the disc. Indeed, there were eleven new tracks, approximately 78 minutes of new music, performed on the tour, minus all the bridges and links, of course. But by the time it was finally released, it lost two tracks and over 5 minutes! Nine of the eleven new tracks are present, the exceptions being 'Opening' [4:32] (the opening of the set 1) and 'Story of the Brave' [3:40] (the opening of set 2). Those tracks are replaced by 'Treasure of Innocence' [3:41], a studio track. Since the disc clocks in at 72:42, you can do the math and come to a reasonable hypothesis to explain the _how_ of the difference, but not the _why_. As of this writing, I still don't know. The individual tracks are basically as performed (only the guitar and sax parts varied slightly from show to show, but not by much!), but the order of the songs was changed. And of course that necessitated new bridge music for the resequences. There is a rumoured boot of the entire Ventura show, called _Electric Rockoon_, but it seems not to have been released yet. ===END LIVE FAQ=== ===RISKY BUSINESS=== Much has been made over the relatively small amount of music for what was essentially a B-grade summer teen-flick. Add to this the fact that out of 30 minutes of TD music in the film, less than 10 minutes of _totally original_ music appear both on screen and on disc. The rest of the material are merely extracts from _Force Majure_, _Tangram_ (not included on any release), the song 'Sobornost' ('Replacing the Furniture') and _Exit_, with new intros or instrument tracks. And yet, 'Love On A Real Train' has become somewhat of a signature song for TD, as well as a fan favorite. In fact, this song has a number of unique distinctions: there are _4_ different official versions (including the film version); it has been remade in new versions for at least 3 other films (see below); and it has been performed live on at least _4_ different tours! Below is a chart which lists all of the music material from _Risky Business_ that has been released to date. All track times are taken from the original sources; in the case of the analog sources, a stopwatch was used. The asterisks denote different versions of the same track; all versions were played in A-B comparative sequence as well as simultaneous sequence to determine any differences beyond simple fades. This should help to clear up some of the confusion caused by erroneous information (hopefully just simple typos!) in 'Voices In The Dunes': Track Times:RBAK USLP UKCD DS T Song Title: The Dream Is Always The Same ---- *2:29 3:45 3:42 3:28 No Future (Get Off The Babysitter) *1:21 1:56 2:00 ---- ---- Guido The Killer Pimp *3:04 4:20 4:21 ---- ---- Lana *1:46 3:53 3:54 ---- ---- Love On A Real Train (Risky Business) *3:08 *2:21 3:59 3:58 *5:10 Porche Plunge I :30 ---- ---- ---- ---- Porche Plunge II :24 ---- ---- ---- ---- Cathing The Egg :11 ---- ---- ---- ---- Replacing the Furniture :57 ---- ---- ---- ---- If it is not asterisked, then it is not a different version. The differences in running times are due to differing mastering procedures between the US and UK. There is also no difference in sound quality, contrary to what you may have heard. In the case of the song 'The Dream Is Always The Same', the _Tangents_ version simply fades the last 17 seconds off of the song, it has not been otherwise altered. The differences in the RBAK versions of 'No Future', 'Guido...' and 'Lana' with the official versions is that the new intros to these old tracks have been removed or drastically shortened. There was also a 7' release of 'Love On A Real Train', but it is the same as the US LP version. ++And now for the 'Risky Mixes'! ; ) The following are alternate takes of 'Love On A Real Train' that the band has done for the indicated films: 'Go To The Head Of The Class'-3 O'Clock High [3:12] 'Bonding By Candlelight'-3 O'Clock High (Simply half of the above track) [1:35] 'Running Out Of Time'-Miracle Mile (a very nice take on the song) [3:31] 'Taking The Test'-Catch Me If You Can (A truly _remixed_ version!) [1:30] There are others, to be sure, but they have not appeared on any release to date. ++Live, baby, live! ; ) Once again, 'Love On A Real Train' has been part of four different concert programs, as follows; '83 Polish Tour, '87 Berlin 750th Anniversary Concert, '90 UK Tour, and '92 North American Tour. It may also have been featured in the one-off Mill Valley Film Festival concert of Nov. 15, 1986, I am awaiting a tape of the show to confirm this. The track times are: 'Poland' ('Love On A Polish Train' remix) [8:40] from _Poland_ (Before anyone gets in a huff, the hi-hat and synth-flute rhytym tracks are identical, as well as the synth-horn melody; do your own cross fade to prove it! Fade in at 2:49 and fade out at 11:29) 'Love On A Real Train' ('Berlin Reichstag Station') [2:42] from _Antarktis_ 'Love On A Real Train' ('Bristol Station') [2:49] from _In Den Garten Pharoas_ 'Love On A Real Train' ('Seattle Station') [2:42] from _Three Phase_ And I'm sure more to come! ++Imitation being the sincerest form of theft! ; ) Special mention needs to be given to Global Communication for their brilliant version of 'LOART' on the equally brilliant CD _76:14_. GC's version is comprised of two consecutive tracks: 8 07 and 5 23. This disc is out of print in the US, and extremely hard to find anywhere else! But it is very highly recommended! ===END RISKY BUSINESS FAQ=== ===THIEF=== Here's some background info on the differences between the US and UK/Int. versions of _Thief_. The song 'Confrontation' on the US LP version was composed and performed by Craig Safan, a hollywood session musician/composer. Believe it or not, Michael Mann played additional guitar on this track! The reason for the commision of this track was that during final editing, Mr. Mann wanted a new sequence underneath the ending instead of what TD had already composed. Of course, he asked them to provide one, but they were on tour in Italy and could not get into a studio in time. So Mr. Safan was brought in to do the track. BTW, for trying to copy TD's sound, he did a pretty good job of imitating Pink Floyd! Play 'Comfortably numb' and you'll understand... Also, the acoustic drum track on 'Beach Theme', as well as its editing (the original, film version is 'Beach Scene'), was done at the request of the record company (WEA), in order to produce a 'hit' single! As of this writing, I have still been unable to discover the musicians' name who performed the drum track. As for the different releases, just another example of 'Stupid Record Company Tricks'! The US label, Elektra (WEA), and the film studio, United Artists, wanted to keep 'Confrontation' on the soundtrack album. TD managed to get Virgin to substitute the full, original version of 'Beach Scene' in its place for the international release. Why 'Beach Theme' remained, however, is a complete mystery. And finally, the promo 12' issued by WEA features an extended version of 'Dr. Destructo' (4:20), and an edit of 'Diamond Diary' (4:17). The extension of 'Dr. Destucto' was achieved by merely looping the last 1/3 of the track once, and allowing the fade out to continue for an additional 20 seconds, where only the rhytym (percussion) track is heard. This track also appears on the boot _Mystery Tracks_, unfortunately, the extra fade is itself faded out. ===END THIEF FAQ=== ===END FAQ=== From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 10:49 pm Subject: Re: Zeit (was: CD release questions-Reply) Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! >Actually there is I think 1 min - 1 min 30 maybe missing from track 1 & >3 (original double CD Zeit has 76 min total) - the new one has around >74 min (I don't have the exact run-time of the castle release but it is >just a little shorter than the original) - tracks 2 & 4 are integral. Incorrect. Both the Relativity 2CD set and the Castle remaster contain the full music program. I am listening to the Castle version as I type this (ahhhhhhhhh..........) Here are the track times for both: 'Birth of Liquid Plejades'- (R) 19:57 (C) 19:54 'Nebulous Dawn'- (R) 17:56 (C) 17:56 'Origin of Supernatural Probabilities'- (R) 19:37 (C) 19:35 'Zeit'- (R) 17:01 (C) 16:58 The small timing differences are due to the different mastering procedures used by the respective labels. No music material is missing. goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 11:58 pm Subject: digest back numbers Really-From: rch@g... Can anyone let me know how to get hold of the FAQ for this list please? Also, is there any place where digest back numbers can retrieved from? Thanks Richard From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 4:36 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #843 Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:17:52 -0500 >Subject: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, timewind > >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >dreamers: > >We were talking about the UK version of TOB that has the bonus track >'Quasar' (the AMP and TDI releases); I've also learned that this is the >case with TOTT and the bonus track 'Story of the Brave' which is also >available on the UK cd (TDI release)-- whereas us poor souls in the US (& >Canada and Mexico too??) have to shell out for the CD5 in order to get the >bonus tracks (do those on The Continent also have to shell out for the >singles too?) > > I've seen the TOTT CD5 in at least two editions and think it is marginally >available but with Quasar, only those lucky enough to have found one of >the few copies of the TOB promo CD5 have it. > >I suppose that what is our loss (in north america) on one hand will also be >our gain as these singles slowly creep up in price (I have already seen >some of them advertised as low as $5 and as high as $25 and $50--admittedly >a LITTLE TOO HIGH). Am I right in assuming that these singles weren't >released in the UK because of the full-length cds? Can anyone confirm? >Were the Dreamtime and Rockoon singles released in the UK or just US/NA??? >Does anyone know the sizes of the releases of the miramar singles?? The CD singles from the albums were released by Miramar only in the U.S. I believe it was a distributor who shifted some of the production run to specialized outlets in Europe. Most singles were btween 1,000 to 2,000 copies. The promotional only CD single was probably about 500. >Even though these aren't the most popular albums, is there anyone in north >america who is interested in acquiring the 'full-length' UK versions of >these CDs (TOTT & TOB)--with the bonus tracks?? For that matter, does >anyone want any of the legit releases that are difficult to buy in the >states but widely available in the UK, like Shy People--which I think is >one of their best soundtracks--or dead solid perfect or the various covers >of any release or ..... >If so, please E-mail me privately at 105411.3107@c... > >I remember some vague mention a while ago about some Private Music >compilation with the td track 'oranges don't dream' that is unavailable >elsewhere.... is this for real? if so, does anyone know anything about >it? (like title, catalog number, date, price, availability, etc) or does >anyone have an extra copy? Oranges don't Dance was a Private Music Europe promo CD sampler with nothing special on it. >I recently got the miramar video that was 'free' (for $5 s&h) for buying >the miramar 10 cd compilation It's actually not bad at all but not nearly >as good as true north which I really like alot. But watching this made me >wonder about the videos TD has released or been 'married' to (NOT films, >but things like canyon dreams, oasis, the dance mix videos--whenever it >comes out!--true north and ..... what else??) does anyone have a complete >list of their music videos that could be posted to the list?? are they all >from the 'seattle years'? or are some from the 'melrose Years' also? or? >also which is the laser disc type that has the separate music track? has >anyone heard anything yet about Oasis on laser disc or on CD???? Oasis is coming on laserdisc. The release date has not been set yet. I expect the release to be distributed by Image Entertainment. CHEERS...Matt Hargreaves From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 10:31 am Subject: 70-80 box set -- 6 (SIX) unreleased tracks! Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers, We've recently heard discussion of the 70-80 box set and that there were 3 previously unreleased tracks in this release (BB,C&C, HH) plus the re-release of the 45rpm single 'monolight' . While this is true, however, I think there are 2 other important releases unavailable elsewhere on the 70-80 set that this discussion has neglected to mention... These 2 tracks are (on the same side as monolight, ifi'm not mistaken) the remixes from Encore (the first three tracks only but not coldwater canyon). I'm in london now and obviously don't have my 70-80 set with me so I can't verify this but I recently looked at them (sadly I have not listened to them in at least 12 years since I have no turntable) and the label does say something like 'remixed by Edgar Froese' since both tracks (about 20 minutes combined total time) are contained on one side of one album disc, they are substantially shorter than the encore releases. I would like to hear how these sound--which is part of the reason I want to get 70-80 transfered to a CDR. Can anyone with this set in hand please verify these tracks and times and PLEASE give a brief review/discussion of them??? I don't think these 2 tracks appear on any bootleg/pirate release either .... (what is on the 70/90 release???) I think these tracks are the first time Edgar remixed/re-engineered/tangentized any TD material and so are quite important from that perspective as well as being works that should stand in their own right. lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 10:31 am Subject: tangents & promo disc Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >> Not commercially, but there was a US promo that was indeed a >>TANGENTS Greatest Hits sorta deal. I have a copy. >Damn! if you don't mind me asking you to sit down and write out the >tracklist, if it's not too much trouble. While I can't fill your request (since regrettably I don't have it with me), I can vouch that this is indeed a great promo release/ best of tangents and worth having. the trouble is that it will cost you around $50!!!!!! to get it (plus postage!) if you want it, try: www.vinylvendors.com or espiritmailorder (whose URL I don't have with me...) they might be at www.espirit_mailorder.com ... or something like that --can anyone list their URL for those who wish to find this promo please? Both places had copies in stock in january when I order a copy from each place. vinylvendors (in LA) was a little slow (about 3-4 weeks to receive) but it did arrive and I have no complaints with them. my espirit order was sent very very promptly (considering it had to come from the UK to the US) and reached me in about 10days or less! I know it is big bucks for one disc, but if you HAVE to own anything like this, you must have this!!!!!! >Subject: D: Tangent (was: Re: Re Sickening TANGENT-izing) >Really-From: Mark Filipak [...] >I think Steve and those who hold his views on 'Tangents' are missing >the point entirely. What I wish they'd do is stop whining about it. weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee PERSONAL FOUL! fifteen yard penalty What you call 'whining' is one of the things this list is about; People have different views on a subject tangents and all are equally valid and all have a right to be expressed here. I think the point being made by steve and others (that EF and the record cos are wasting time and energy reselling repackaged and remixed stuff to their loyal fans as a purely commerical ploy to wrench more $$ from our empty pockets) is a totally valid point; beyond that, whether we personally like or dislike any td release is also a totally valid point, not whining (I know many dreamers hate tangents because the original stuff was altered, hacked up into little bits and often doesn't sound like the originals). I also agree that there is at least one other side to tangents, which is that the remixes are works in their right and thus do have artistic merit. could it be that both points are valid? Perhaps that is where Edgar stands, Knowing compilation releases are inevitable at least he is putting some effort into giving people something new and different. true they don't have to buy or keep it, but I'd rather have tangents as it is than a 4 disk best of td set with the original recordings -- hell, I can do that on tape for $5! lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1199 Re: tangents & promo disc Vic Rek Mon 2/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 10:31 am Subject: d: solo list Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> With regard to the D:solo list, a few comments.: 1) Vic has convinced me that an alpha artist list and a chrono release order would be best--so if there are no objections, let's do it the way vic suggested but let's make sure Schroyder/SSO is included with a one week discussion since several people have mentioned them and I would love to hear what they have to say 2) at the moment, my net access is somewhat (unexpectedly) limited so it might be better if Vic takes on th d:solo list responsibility (presuming you are still willing, Vic) 3) I don't think that Froese's 'electronic dreams' should be discussed separately since what's important is the reversed track from EIMP (marouba bay) which could be covered in the week we discuss EIMP. I agree with Steve F that marouba bay should be treated as a work in its own right but I don't think ED should be treated in a week by itself. I think the point is to reduce redundancies in our d:list discussion (remember steve you don't read the d:list stuff anyway! :-). I don't object to adding EF's 'solo 74-79' for the remixes if others don't; in the same way BTS should be included and its remixes discussed as well as new tracks. As far as the debated solo works (eg baumann/koek, enchanting nature...) let's include them if there is some interest in doing so, otherwise let's delete them. Things like 'enchanting nature' (with only 4 new tracks added to a PCH remix) could be combined with PCH in the dicussion for 1 week, how do other people feel about this??? lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1198 Re: d: solo list Vic Rek Mon 2/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 10:31 am Subject: d:list/what's next/more suggestions Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers, Well, our 'what's next' discussion has really opened up a can of worms.... this is really good I think... I think the D:solo list is pretty much hammered out So let's go ahead and blow the td d:list addendum discussion WIDE OPEN. Here are my next suggestions for debate: 1. Let's make this d:list addendum into a short d:list part 2 and, since we really haven't addressed the issue of the singles and odd-ball releases (I did include the SB cd in my suggested addendum), let's also talk about them at this time. I know this seems problematic but I have made some suggestions for this below that addresses this issue succintly... 2. we should add some of the compilations (in alpha order) mentioned by Steve F. et al (that is, those with new tracks and/or new remixes) to the TD addendum list by scott (sorry scott, all of this means rearranging the dates). I think 'just cause' has been shown that we should discuss the comps that contain a significant quantity of new material and/or substantial remixing. I would clarify this by saying that we spend only 1 week on each release-- but not 5 weeks on tangents[/drc] as Mark F suggested (as you can see Mark, I'm NOT ignoring you! :-) we should be open to the desires of everyone on this list, not just a 'majority' of the most vocal). it's time we admitted Tangents and DRC deserve to be considered as novel releases in their own right and included them in the D:list discussion 3. The one point we should still debate, then, is whether we want this TD addendum to follow the TD D:list (as scott and I have suggested) or whether it should follow the D:solo list or part of it (as Vic has suggested). Since this addendum is going to be quite lengthy, it will push the d:solo discussion back about 10-12 weeks. I think some people are itching to get to the solo works and I would be willing to yield to those folks if others also agree (I hope I don't sound dictatorial here--I think we should do whatever you all want!). I know others are itching to get to the boots too but I think we should address all of the legitimate releases first. Considering the new TD releases in the pipeline, this would support placing the d:list addendum at the end of the d:solo discussions so that they too could be included. Of course there will always be more TD releases in the pipeline (en shah allah/ in boca lupo/god willing...!!!!) and so always the potential for d:list addenda. Please glance over my suggestions below and send in your votes; we still have several weeks to reach a consensus on this issue. Taking the pertinent parts of Steve F's list (see also my comments at the end) and combining with the previous d:list addendum and my suggestions for the singles and other things, we have would currently have a D:list addendum that looks like this: D:LIST ADDENDUM, part I: the remaining releases WEEK 1) '70-'80 box set (4 non-LP tracks **+ remixes!**) (using the 'numbers first' format which placed 220VL first on the D:list) primarily the 6-7 otherwise unreleased tracks but any aspect is open to debate WEEK 2) Dream Roots Collection: (primarily Disc 5; but any aspect of the DRC is open for discussion) WEEK 3) Goblin's Club WEEK 4) Oasis (who knows, by the time this comes up, it might be finally be out on cd!) WEEK 5) Rumpelstiltskin WEEK 6) Tangents (Primarily Disc 5, but any aspect of tangents would be open for discussion) WEEK 7) Three Phase -- true, some of this stuff is on 220 VL and elsewhere but there are other things which aren't, like the new Phaedra version (sorry I don't have 3-phase with me so I can't cross check it all with 220VL) I really think we should add this one to the list and treat it as a release in its own right. why there hasn't been a cd boot of this i'll never know... WEEK 8) Other compiliations/etc 'OPEN WEEK' discussion This week would be used for discussing compilations not previously discussed and those which don't present new material but worthy in their own right because of editing or track selection (but not remixings or those which include new releases such Private Music of TD--see below) or whatever; this would include things like 'Dream Sequence', etc. D:LIST ADDENDUM, part II: the Singles This is the part of the D:list where we could address the singles and the other 'odd ball'/bonus track releases such as 'Roaring of the Bliss' and 'Beavertown' not available on standard releases already discussed on the d:list. Since I don't have web access at the moment and don't have a discography on my computer (combined with my severe memory loss:-) this 'unique' singles list is not complete so maybe someone could fill it in for me. I don't think we need to spend a week on EACH single and think that they can be lumped together by era as I have done. What I think (again all of this is IMOHO) is that we should address only those 'unique' tracks not available elsewhere/not on the regular releases. Additionally, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE A VOLUNTEER EACH WEEK TO LIST ALL OF THE SINGLES FROM THAT PARTICULAR ERA whether objects of dicussion or not; it wouldn't have to be a major discography if you didn't feel like it but just a comprehensive list would be nice. Again there are a lot of us who don't have/have no access to/can't find/can't afford 'Voices in the Dunes' and are relying on the expertise of you 'old timers' to help us out here. I think this is what the list is all about, sharing our experiences and knowledge so that ALL might profit from it. Again, this list is not complete (but you get the idea) as to those unique releases we should dicuss so any advice would be appreciated; we should discuss them in chronological order but I have not listed them that way, only as they came to my mind so please feel free to correct me! WEEK 9) The Singles etc. Part I: the Ones, the Pink and the Virgin years (NB, if this gets toooo long, we may have to split out the Virgin years separately) Lady Green Grass/Love of Mine Ultima Thule Monolight Ozillator Planet Concert Tatort/Das Madchen auf der Treppe WEEK 10) The Singles etc. Part II: the Blue Years A Time for Heroes LA Streethawk EP Dolphin Dance/Smile Poland Rare Bird/Warsaw in the Sun (this is debatable) Dr Destructo (date?) Alexander Square EP version WEEK 11) The Singles etc. Part III: the Melrose Years Oranges Don't Dance ? The Private Music of Tangerine Dream (Roaring of the Bliss & Beavertown) House of the Rising Sun One Night in Medina I Just Want to Live My Own Life .... WEEK 12) The Singles etc. Part IV:The Seattle Years to the Present Dreamtime CD5 Rockoon CD5 TOB/Quasar (I know this was on UK release but elsewhere? it is unavailable) TOTT/Story of the Brave (ditto the above) Shepherd's Bush CD5 Like I said, I know there is a lot more but memory fails me! >other comments: >BOOK OF DREAMS ([Essential Records] 2 CDs; all are Virgin remixes) --I don't have this with me in london, are the remixes by Edgar or are they by Virgin??? I think they're by edgar, right? if they are by edgar, then we should think about including them, if not by edgar, then we should not include them. >IN THE BEGINNING (6-Record Set) (first pressing of GREEN DESERT) > In 1986, this set had one all-new record--since GREEN DESERT first >appeared as the 6th record of this set: not on its own. --no need to discuss this since this point was made by me and others during D:GD week >95 THE DREAM MIXES ([Miramar] 6 remixes & 4 all-new tracks) >These 'remixes' are pretty much new songs rather than remixes, >and then four of the tracks are brand-new. >96 [UK:] THE DREAM MIXES (UK vers. of the 1995 release; has a 2nd disk) >Like the case with THE DREAM MIXES, some tracks here are more like different songs >than TANGENTS-esque reworkings. Two remixes of THE DREAM MIXES tracks, and then >two tracks that appear nowhere else: 'Iowa' and 'Sojus.' --no need to discuss since these two releases were treated during their own D:list week; ciao, lars np: you don't want to know and I don't want to admit it... but it ain't td From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 12:43 pm Subject: TRACKLIST: NA tour 1992 Really-From: m.schaffer@i... Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, another track listing, and yes, I know we've had this one before, but this time we're not going to include Canada in the US (are we, John?) plus the concert list is (AFAWK) complete. John Burek and Mark Schaffer ----------------------------------------------- 1992 North American tour (Rockoon) Set one 1) Waterborne 2) Touchwood 3) Rolling Down Cahuenga 4) Blue Bridge 5) Oriental Haze 6) Graffiti Street 7) Melrose 8) Two Bunch Palms 9) 220 Volt 10) Homeless Set two 11) Story of the Brave 12) Sundance Kid 13) Girls on Broadway 14) Love on a Real Train 15) Back Street Hero 16) Body Corporate 17) Rockoon Encores 18) One Night in Medina 19) Hamlet, leading into..... 20) Dreamtime 21) Purple Haze NOTES: 1) Only approximately the first half of 'Waterborne' was played live; after the first two minutes, the song diverged into a guitar melody not on the official release. 11) Only approximately the first half of the CD-single version of 'Story of the Brave' was played live; after the first several minutes, the song gave way to 'Sundance Kid.' Tour Summary Fan Date Venue tape? Type(s) LKR 04.10.92 Toronto Music Hall Yes AU 61 min. 05.10.92 Montreal Wilfred Peltier Yes AU 120 min. 06.10.92 Quebec Le Grand Theatre No -- -- 07.10.92 New Britain 'The Sting' No -- -- 08.10.92 Boston Berklee Yes AU 120 min. Performance Center 09.10.92 New York City Beacon Theater Yes AU 110 min. 10.10.92 Philadelphia/Upper Darby Yes AU 120 min. Tower Theater 13.10.92 Washington D.C. Yes AU 120 min. Lisner Auditorium 14.10.92 Columbus Palace Theater Yes AU 120 min. 15.10.92 Baltimore Johns Hopkins Yes AU, 124 min. Shriver Hall FV 110 min. 16.10.92 Highland Hgts./Cleveland Yes AU 120 min. Front Row 17.10.92 Chicago Old Vic Theater Yes AU 120 min. 18.10.92 Minneapolis Orpheum No -- -- 20.10.92 Detroit Fox Theater Yes AU, 132 min. FV 13 min. 22.10.92 Denver Paramount Theater No -- -- 24.10.92 Portland Intermediate Theater No -- -- 25.10.92 Seattle Paramount Theater No -- -- 27.10.92 San Francisco Warfield Theater No -- -- 28.10.92 San Juan-Capistrano Yes AU 120 min. Coach House 29.10.92 Scottsdale Mall Amphitheater No -- -- 30.10.92 Los Angeles Wiltern Theater Yes FV 115 min. 01.11.92 Ventura Ventura Theater Yes AU 120 min. AU = audience audio recording; FV = fan video recording; LKR = longest known running time From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 1:37 pm Subject: RE: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . . Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > Films And Videos To Which Tangerine Dream Has Contributed >================================================================= I had a few qustions about this list. I looked in the Internet Movie Database (http://us.imdb.com) and found that 'Single Man' was a silent film from 1929! Was there a re-release of this with a modern soundtrack or is it a different film? Same thing wih 'Forbidden' but it was from 1919. I also looked in Leonard Maltin's Film Guide and found that 'Vampira' was from 1974. Does this really have a TD soundtrack? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 2:19 pm Subject: Re: d: solo list Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >2) at the moment, my net access is somewhat (unexpectedly) limited so it >might be better if Vic takes on th d:solo list responsibility (presuming >you are still willing, Vic) > OK, I can post the discussion list. We'll also include one week on Steve Schroyder, but if we do this, we should allow 1 week for the other 'SCH..' guys, that is: 1. Conrad Schnitzler 2. Steve Schroyder 3. Klaus Schulze (Schmoelling is already included) I know some may disagree with this, but we will allow a 1 week 'free for all' discussion on each of these artists. Could be interesting? > Now about the addendum discussions that Lars mentioned. I can go along with weeks 1-8, that is: 1. '70-'80 2. Dream Roots Collection 3. Goblins's Club (even though this was reviewed extensively when it came out) 4. Other Compilations/sampler free for all 5. Rumpelstiltskin 6. Tangents 7. Three Phase Video (I'm not sure about this) 8. Oasis (made this last so people can get the video or wait for the CD) About the singles, I have mixed opinions on this. I feel we should wait on this until after the solo releases have been discussed. It would be great to get more input on this. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 2:19 pm Subject: Re: tangents & promo disc Really-From: Vic Rek > Not commercially, but there was a US promo that was indeed a >TANGENTS Greatest Hits sorta deal. I have a copy. > By the way, it comes in two colors. The majority (as I hear) are printed in white, but some discs are printed in green. Somebody said that the green might be a pirate, but I doubt it. Anybody else know anything about this release? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 3:28 pm Subject: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_ Really-From: PNaunton@a... 17-Feb-1997 Tangerine Dream 'Tyranny Of Beauty' Published - 1995 Purchased - 1995 Format - CD Label - Miramar Catalog - 09006-23046-2 Personnel - Froese, Froese, Spa, Gradwool, Hornby Don't ask me why, but when I began to think about this recording, a very old, possibly ancient, New Yorker cartoon popped into my head. There is a picture of a man sitting at a table in a restaurant, and he is eating a boiled egg out of its shell. Next to him is the waiter who has obviously just asked if everything was acceptable. The patron has turned to the waiter and says, 'The egg? Oh, parts of it are delicious.' To me this is the epitome of 'Tyranny Of Beauty' - - parts of it are 'delicious', but it seems ridiculous to say that because is should fall together more effortlessly. Instead it appears more of a collection of bits and pieces which never fit together properly. There seems to be a core of an idea, a theme, an image, perhaps. It's almost as if the thought of continuity was important at the beginning, but was abruptly tossed aside when it obviously was not going anywhere. Then 'ToB' turned into just a collection of tunes, many of them having no relation to the others at all. 'Stratosfear 1995'? 'Largo'?(A funeral march for Kenny G?),but I digress. On the opening of 'Catwalk', after the introduction of chorus-like voices and shortly before the tune really gets going, there is a strange sound; a heavily distorted jangle of noise which sweeps back and forth between the speakers momentarily, before vanishing as suddenly as it emerged. It sounds like a mistake, but I really don't think so. It doesn't fit in the mix, in my opinion. It shows up later in the track, too. Aside from this aberration, I like this tune. Track two, three, and four are nothing special, in my opinion, having similarities to alot of 'New Age' material I've heard in the supermarket. (It's actually alot better than this stuff, but lends itself to the comparison.) 'LBitPoA' has a better rendition on 'Dream Mixes'. 'Stratosfear 1995' is a pretty good cover, but, taken on its own terms, it does not have the endearing qualities of the original. I like it, I suppose, because it takes me back a ways. 'Bride In Cold Tears' - - I may be sorely mistaken, but this seems like a preview of 'Dream Mixes'. There are alot of DJ type interjections in this tune; a smattering of freely spewed samples to spice up the mix. This seems to be a Jeromeo signature. None-the-less, there is something I like about this tune. Skip 'Haze Of Fame'. Skip 'Tyranny Of Beauty'. Skip 'Largo'. These last three impress me as being too indulgent, too morbid, too boring. They just sit there like puddles. They don't start anywhere, don't develop, don't go anywhere. So, three (GOOD TRACKS) out of nine isn't bad. Definitely not memorable, though. Phil Naunton P.S. Lisa Gerrard, from Dead Can Dance, on her solo album, 'The Mirror Pool', does a much better job on 'Largo'. Give it a listen if you can find it. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1205 Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_ Marcel Engels Mon 2/24/1997 2 KB 1207 Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_ Gabe Yedid Mon 2/24/1997 3 KB 1210 Kiew Mission question slawlor Mon 2/24/1997 2 KB 1211 Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_ Dennis Nigbur Mon 2/24/1997 3 KB 1220 Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_ Hermes Guzman Tue 2/25/1997 2 KB 1233 Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_ Mark Filipak Tue 2/25/1997 5 KB 1250 Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_ Anthony G. Francis, Jr. Tue 2/25/1997 4 KB 1272 Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_ PNaunton@a... Wed 2/26/1997 2 KB 1286 Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_ Dennis Nigbur Thu 2/27/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TANGENTS Promo CD Particulars Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Anal-retentive-at-large' o There is no front insert. o Sheet in back of jewel case is white with grey (pseudo-silver lettering. There is a vague computerized design like on the LILY ON THE BEACH cover. o Disc is whitish light-gray and the lettering (and everything else) is silver, i.e. clear. The information on the actual disc reads: + - - - - - - - - + | TANGERINE DREAM | DPRO-14221 + - - - - - - - - + Virgin Compact Disc Digital Audio 1. White Eagle 4:14 2. Cloudburst Flight 7:13 3. Hyperborea 8:37 4. Force Majeure 5:31 5. Dominion 4:49 6. Cinnamon Road 4:14 7. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares 7:05 8. Ricochet 7:17 9. Phaedra 4:51 10. Monolight (Yellow Part) 7:15 All songs from 'Tangents:1973-1983' box set available on Virgin Compact Discs. 39804 All songs published by EMI Virgin Music, Inc. (ASCAP) For Promotional Use Only - Not For Sale Compilation p & c 1994 Virgin Records America, Inc. On the side, the case reads: DPRO-14221 Tangerine Dream Sampler Virgin Records America, Inc. The back of the jewel case reads: + - - -- - - + | DPRO-14221 | + - - -- - - + Tangerine Dream 1. White Eagle 4:14 2. Cloudburst Flight 7:13 3. Hyperborea 8:37 4. Force Majeure 5:31 5. Dominion 4:49 6. Cinnamon Road 4:14 7. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares 7:05 8. Ricochet 7:17 9. Phaedra 4:51 10. Monolight (Yellow Part) 7:15 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Letter to Miramar re 'GREATEST HITS' Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, To show that my 'whining' about TANGENTS knows no bounds, here is a copy of a letter I'm firing off to Miramar later today. ;) -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx Miramar 200 Second Avenue West Seattle, WA 98119 Dear xxxxxxxx The last time I wrote you, it was to register my dissatisfaction with the 5-CD set TANGENTS, which I felt was little more that a remix package with a bonus disc of all-new material disguised as a greatest hits set--which not only shortchanged newcomers who wished to sample the band's prior glories but gypped the faithful by forcing them to pay for 5 CDs just to hear the one bonus disc. This time, I'm here to crab about the 2-CD BOOK OF DREAMS and its augmented incarnation, the DREAM ROOTS Collection, but like last time, I'm offering a solution that would be mutually beneficial. Please indulge me while I demonstrate how run-away remix projects have resulted in mass confusion and frustration. THE DREAM MIXES (arguably the best TD release in the last 7 years) at first appeared to be a fortuitous side-effect of the remixing marathon required for Tangents, but then the Froese solo BEYOND THE STORM presented us with another CD's-worth of remixes, and a previously-unreleased soundtrack called ZONING was issued with Chris Franke's contributions removed (the most drastic 'remix' of all?), and Miramar's own THE DREAM MIXES was re- released (in the UK, anyways) with a second CD containing . . . remixes of remixes!?! Continuing the absurdity, another 2-CD remix set, BOOK OF DREAMS, was followed by another 5-CD set called the DREAM ROOTS Collection, which duplicated the 2-CD set while luring the buyer in with another bonus CD of all-new material. Honestly, if I see one more TD collection with the word 'dream' in it, I'll scream! Hasn't it occurred to anyone that no one's released a TD package called GREATEST HITS yet? Would that Miramar was the outfit to do it. Complicating matters is the unfortunate fact that the proliferation of Tangerine Dream compilation packages that feature material only from the label pressing them ultimately does everyone a disservice, selling the band short by giving the false impression that the selected material is representative of their (quality) work as a whole. What I would really like to see is Miramar--who has yet to issue their own obligatory TD collection--issuing a 3-CD set of TD's shorter, punchier tunes (from soundtracks, 45s, and CD-singles, as well as the regular albums issued by Virgin, MCA, Varese Sarabande, Jive, Relativity, Private Music, Silva Screen, Miramar, Sequel, etc., ad nauseum). Such seeming magnanimity would accomplish two things: 1) it would make people think quite rightly that Miramar is the first of TD's labels not to parade their crass self-interest with a company- bound hits package, and 2) it would sell better than all previous collections by virtue of its having the greatest variety, the greatest amount of tracks, and all the key recordings that would compel even the most skittish buyer to buy the collection--thus justifying the resultant reduction in royalties caused by issuing material owned by competitors. The popular tracks from the soundtracks alone would do the trick--and you could include both studio versions of 'Love on a Real Train (Risky Business)' (the first pressing of the LP has a much different version than later pressings or the CD) along with the live version on the THREE PHASE video if you wanted to! And since you'd be using material under license from other companies, you might as well add in the 'Ultima Thule' 45 single--and the *real* dream roots: the 'Lady Greengrass' b/w 'Love of Mine' 45 single by Edgar's pre-TD band the Ones. I am appending to this message a suggested track listing for the sort of compilation album I am talking about. Granted, the selection is subjective, but I'm reasonably sure that many of the choices are universal, given that the purpose of the collection would be to show TD in the best possible light to the greatest number of people, i.e. with the well-known, catchy material laden with latent pop appeal (stopping short of tacky tunes like 'Optical Race' and MELROSE's 'Cool at Heart,' though, one would hope). In keeping with representing the entirety of TD+s career, it would be nice if you included in an accompanying booklet photos of the jacket artwork from every TD release to date (including the 45, 12', and CD-5 selections featured, as well as alternate jackets like the British versions of EXIT, NEAR DARK, and SHY PEOPLE). Listing the compilation's tracks beneath their corresponding jacket images would be even better-- and listing all the tracks beneath each corresponding jacket image with the compilation+s tracks highlighted in boldface would be better still. This would serve not only to impress the casual buyer (who would think he is getting a bargain with a spiffy booklet and such a large selection from so immense a body of work), but to hook the jaded TD collector (who would love to have the booklet for quick reference and the CDs to gain new TD converts), as well! Notice how Virgin has included pictures of the jacket art from their TD album library inside their Super-Bit- Mapping TD releases, and how Chris Franke did the same with his PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY solo album. I'll cut the gab, now, and jot down the suggested track listing. Give it a thought. Yours truly, Steven Feldman Wide-Appeal TD Tunes? 1966 Lady Greengrass (A-side of the German 45 by the Ones) 2:41 1966 Love of Mine (B-side of the German 45 by the Ones) 3:03 1972 Ultima Thule, Part 1 (A-side of the 45) 3:27 1972 Ultima Thule, Part 2 (B-side of the 45) 4:17 1974 Movements of a Visionary (PHAEDRA) 7:54 1977 Betrayal (Sorcerer Theme) (SORCERER) 3:41 1979 Cloudburst Flight (FORCE MAJEURE) 7:21 1980 Beach Theme (THIEF soundtrack) 3:44 1981 Kiew Mission (EXIT) 9:18 1982 White Eagle (WHITE EAGLE) 4:30 1983 Daydream (German 45 [A-side]; TATORT German TV show sndtrck) 4:40 Moorland (German 45 [B-side]; TATORT German TV show sndtrck) 3:50 Cinnamon Road (HYPERBOREA) 3:54 Rare Bird (UK 12', the sepaparate end of 'Tangent' on POLAND) 3:55 Mojave End Title (WAVELENGTH soundtrack) 4:11 Love on a Real Train (RISKY BUSINESS sndtrck; rare version) 2:15 Love on a Real Train (RISKY BUSINESS sndtrck; common version) 3:58 1984 Charley the Kid (FIRESTARTER soundtrack) 3:51 Love Theme (THE PARK IS MINE soundtrack) 3:32 Going West (FLASHPOINT soundtrack) 4:10 1985 Gaudi Park (LE PARC) 5:10 Desire (HEARTBREAKERS) 5:38 1986 Dolphin Dance (UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT) 5:05 1987 Canyon Carver (CANYON DREAMS soundtrack) 4:17 Bus Station (NEAR DARK soundtrack) 4:15 Mae's Transformation (NEAR DARK soundtrack) 4:20 Shy People [instrumental version] (SHY PEOPLE soundtrack) 5:04 1988 Mothers of Rain (OPTICAL RACE) 5:13 Sun Gate (OPTICAL RACE) 4:44 1989 Crystal Curfew (LILY ON THE BEACH) 4:57 People in the News (MIRACLE MILE soundtrack) 5:10 1990 Dolls in the Shadow (MELROSE) 5:10 1991 Correlation of Lies (THE MAN INSIDE soundtrack) 3:45 News and Morality (THE MAN INSIDE soundtrack) 4:45 1992 Touchwood (ROCKOON) 4:34 Rockoon--Special Radio Edit (CD-5 [from ROCKOON]) 4:16 1993 Hamlet (220 VOLT LIVE) 8:30 Love on a Real Train (Risky Business) (from THREE PHASE vid) 3:17 1994 Twilight Brigade (TURN OF THE TIDES) 9:45 Story of the Brave (CD-5 [from TURN OF THE TIDES]) 5:17 The Conspiracy (ZONING soundtrack) 5:54 1995 Catwalk (TYRANNY OF BEAUTY) 7:21 Rough Embrace (THE DREAM MIXES) 5:30 1996 Towards the Evening Star (GOBLINS' CLUB) 6:16 TOTAL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 205 minutes and 35 seconds Divide 205:35 by 3 (for three CDs), and you get 68:11+--roughly three 68-minute CDs. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1204 Re: Letter to Miramar re 'GREATEST HITS' TWeibre361@a... Mon 2/24/1997 2 KB 1209 Re: Letter to Miramar re 'GREATEST HITS' slawlor Mon 2/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, tim Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, timewind >Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:17:52 -0500 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >We were talking about the UK version of TOB that has the bonus track >'Quasar' (the AMP and TDI releases); I've also learned that this is the >case with TOTT and the bonus track 'Story of the Brave' which is also >available on the UK cd (TDI release) [. . .] Oh hell; I just paid for an Austrian import of TotT with 'Story of the Brave.' Ah, well. > I've seen the TOTT CD5 in at least two editions and think it is >marginally available [. . .] Wha...? This is the first I've heard of this. >Does anyone know the sizes of the releases of the miramar singles?? They're all regular CD size (if that's what you're asking). >Now if I could just find the TD music-only version of Rumpelstiltskin, I >would be happy-- [. . .] Do you mean to say that there's a version of RUMPELSTILTSKIN that doesn't have the Kathleen Turner narration *at all*? -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1206 Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, ti Vincent Goudreault Mon 2/24/1997 3 KB 1226 Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, ti Plumer, Scott Tue 2/25/1997 2 KB 1228 Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, ti Vincent Goudreault Tue 2/25/1997 3 KB 1273 Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, ti PNaunton@a... Wed 2/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 6:25 pm Subject: Re: Letter to Miramar re 'GREATEST HITS' Really-From: TWeibre361@a... hey...why dont u put all those tracks down on tape, burn a cd, and sell it to us? just a thought, tom w np: the grid - rollercoaster Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1209 Re: Letter to Miramar re 'GREATEST HITS' slawlor Mon 2/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 6:20 pm Subject: Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > 'Stratosfear 1995' is a pretty good cover, but, taken on its own > terms, it does not have the endearing qualities of the original. I like it, I > suppose, because it takes me back a ways. I can't understand that everyone is talking about Stratosfear 1995, my copy of Tyranny of Beauty really says Stratosfear 1994. Does somebody else also have this 1994 version? Marcel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1207 Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_ Gabe Yedid Mon 2/24/1997 3 KB 1210 Kiew Mission question slawlor Mon 2/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 7:00 pm Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, tim Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Feb 24, 12:43pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, tim > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > >Subject: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, timewind > >Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:17:52 -0500 > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > (...) > > >Now if I could just find the TD music-only version of Rumpelstiltskin, I > >would be happy-- [. . .] > > Do you mean to say that there's a version of RUMPELSTILTSKIN that > doesn't have the Kathleen Turner narration *at all*? > > -- Steven Feldman >-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list The Rumpelstiltskin CD features all the tracks twice: once with and once without the narration. I guess TD learned a things or two since 'Tyger'... ;-) C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 7:05 pm Subject: Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > > 'Stratosfear 1995' is a pretty good cover, but, taken on its > own > > terms, it does not have the endearing qualities of the original. I like > it, I > > suppose, because it takes me back a ways. > > I can't understand that everyone is talking about Stratosfear 1995, my copy > of Tyranny of Beauty really says Stratosfear 1994. Does somebody else > also have this 1994 version? > > Marcel I recall Edgar saying in an interview that what eventually appeared on _ToB_ as Strato '95 was originally done for _Tangents_, but Virgin was not at all happy with it and sent it back to them, prompting Edgar to do the much more subtle remix of the original that eventually appeared on _Tangents_. They kept the souped-up version around and got the idea of putting it on what was, at the time, the forthcoming new album. Gabe ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Yedid email: gabe@c... Dept. of Biology, McGill University bleo@m... Montreal, Quebec, Canada gyedid@p... 'Understanding is a three-edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth.' --Capt. John J. Sheridan, 'Babylon 5' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1210 Kiew Mission question slawlor Mon 2/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Letter to Miramar re 'GREATEST HITS' Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Letter to Miramar re 'GREATEST HITS' >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:25:49 -0500 (EST) >Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > >hey...why dont u put all those tracks down on tape, burn a cd, and sell >it to us? > >just a thought, Another thought: if someone made such a pirate CD on their own, it would embarrass the sh*t out of Virgin, Jive, Sequel et al when it outsold their own (legit) releases by a margin of 10 to 1. ;) ;) ;) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1215 Re: Letter to Miramar re 'GREATEST HITS' David Datta Mon 2/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 8:37 pm Subject: Re: Letter to Miramar re 'GREATEST HITS' Really-From: slawlor > Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > > > hey...why dont u put all those tracks down on tape, burn a cd, and sell it to > us? > > just a thought, > I like that idea, particularly since I'm not very familiar with a lot of their soundtrack work, I think I had three of their soundtracks, wavelength, firestarter, and heartbreakers, and I don't like the post 88 material enough to go out and buy all those albums, and those singles would be cool to hear anyway. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 8:40 pm Subject: Kiew Mission question Really-From: slawlor Hi there. Does anyone know what kind of keyboard tangerine dream is using for the melody of the last part of kiew mission? I think they use a similar kind of keyboard in song of the whale 1 and 2, but the sound is more qiry instead of moog sounding like in the former track. Thanks for the information. scott K. Lawlor http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 2:26 am Subject: Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:28:32 -0500 (EST) tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > (...) > > Skip 'Haze Of Fame'. > > Skip 'Tyranny Of Beauty'. > > Skip 'Largo'. > > These last three impress me as being too indulgent, too morbid, too >boring. They just sit there like puddles. They don't start anywhere, don't >develop, don't go anywhere. Funny to (somewhat unexpectedly) find someone who shares my impression. In my view, ToB is a moderately good effort to start off with until the new Stratosfear Mix (called Stratosfear 1994, 1995, or whatever) fiercely interrups the superordinate idea to the album. 'Bride in Cold Tears' is definitely a Jerome piece, and not even a bad one. But even at that point, the album seems to have had its day, and the last three tracks appear to be huge massive cornerstones of Nothing. I still could not make sense of them, but if anyone can enlighten me, I'll be glad to listen... Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: How Could Chris Have Contributed to ZONING?!? Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . . >Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 21:26:22 +0100 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Piotr Trzcionkowski > >> >Really-From: Mark Filipak >> >> >ZONING [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/?? >> >> So, Chris 'n' Ed recorded it, but Ed edited Chris' part out??? It occurred to me that it's odd that Chris should have had anything to do with ZONING in the first place since it was supposedly originally recorded in 1994, whereas Chris left TD in 1989. Besides, ZONING (now, at least) sounds an awful lot like the new stuff on Ed's BEYOND THE STORM solo. Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 10:50 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream filmography Really-From: 'Harri Ikonen' Hi everyone, Here's a bit more complete list of movies featuring music by Tangerine Dream. I went through three different databases and the information here should be fairly accurate. However, please note that some of the film below contain only individual tracks -- for instance, in 'Spasms' only the closing track 'Serpent's Theme' was performed by TD. Also, please note that video albums such as 'Canyon Dreams' and 'True North' are not listed. TANGERINE DREAM FILMOGRAPHY 'Sorcerer', aka 'Wages of Fear' (1977) 121 min. W: Georges Arnaud & Walon Green / D: William Friedkin Universal Pictures / Paramount 'Kneuss' (1978) D: Gaudenz Meili 'Take It to the Limit' (1979) 'Thief', aka 'Violent Streets' (1981) 126 min. W: Frank Hohimer & Michael Mann / D: Michael Mann United Artists 'Strange Behaviour', aka 'Dead Kids' (1981) 98 min. W: Bill Condon & Michael Laughlin / D: Michael Laughlin 'The Soldier', aka 'Codename: The Soldier' (1982) 96 min. W & D: James Glickenhaus 'Identificazione di Una Donna', aka 'Indentification of a Woman' (1982) 130 min. W: Michelangelo Antonioni, Gerard Brach & Tonino Guerra / D: Michelangelo Antonioni 'Wavelength' (1983) 87 min. W & D: Mike Gray New World Pictures 'Risky Business' (1983) 96 min. W & D: Paul Brickman Geffen Pictures / Warner Bros. 'The Keep' (1983) 96 min. W: Michael Mann & F. Paul Wilson / D: Michael Mann 'Spasms', aka 'Death Bite' (1983) 87 min. W: Don Enright, William Fruet, Michael Maryk & Brent Monahan / D: William Fruet 'Heartbreakers' (1984) 98 min. W & D: Bobby Roth Jethro Film Productions / Orion 'Flashpoint' (1984) 94 min. W: Michael Butler, George La Fountaine & Dennis Shryack / D: William Tannen TriStar / HBO / Silver Screen Partners 'Firestarter' (1984) 115 min. W: Stephen King & Stanley Mann / D: Mark L. Lester Universal Pictures 'Vision Quest', aka 'Crazy for You' (1985) 105 min. W: Terry Davis & Darryl Ponicsan / D: Harold Becker Warner Bros. 'Red Heat', aka 'Rote Hitze' (1985) W: Robert Collector & Gary Drucker / D: Robert Collector 'Legend' (1985, US version) 89 min. W: William Hjortsberg / D: Ridley Scott Universal Pictures / 20th Century Fox 'Forbidden' (1985) 116 min. W: Leonard Gross / D: Anthony Page 'The Park is Mine' (1986) 102 min. W: Lyle Gorch & Steven Peters / D: Steven Hilliard Stern International Cinema Corporation / Ramble Film Productions 'Zoning' (1986) D: Ulrich Krenkler 'Tonight's the Night', aka 'The Game of Love' (1987) 100 min. W: Sue Grafton & Steve Humphrey / D: Bobby Roth 'Three O'Clock High' (1987) 101 min. W: Richard Christian Matheson & Thomas E. Szollosi / D: Phil Joanou Universal Pictures 'Shy People' (1987) 118 min. W: Gerard Brach, Marjorie David & Andrei Konchalovsky / D: Andrei Konchalovsky Cannon Group 'Near Dark' (1987) 95 min. W: Kathryn Bigelow & Eric Red / D: Kathryn Bigelow F/M Entertainment 'Deadly Care' (1987) D: David Anspaugh Universal Television 'Miracle Mile' (1988) 87 min. W & D: Steve de Jarnatt Hemdale 'Dead Solid Perfect' (1988) 95 min. W: Dan Jenkins / D: Bobby Roth HBO 'Red Nights' (1988) 'Catch Me If You Can' (1989) W & D: Stephen Sommers Management Company Entertainment Group 'Destination Berlin' (1989) W & D: Ernst A. Heiniger & Stefan Lukschy Circle Vision 'City of Shadows', aka 'City of Night' (1989) 'Rainbow Drive' (1990) 100 min. W: Bennett Cohen, Bill Phillips & Roderick Thorp / D: Bobby Roth 'The Man Inside', aka 'L'Affair Wallraff' (1990) 93 min. W: Bobby Roth & Guenter Wallraff / D: Bobby Roth FPC Productions / New Line Cinema / The Man Inside 'Highway to Hell' (1992) 93 min. W: Brian Helgeland / D: Ate de Jong 'The Switch' (1993) 92 min. W: T.S. Cook & Ron Schultz / D: Bobby Roth 'Memphis PD: War on the Streets' (1996) W & D: Vince DiPersio & Bill Guttentag Half Court Pictures / HBO 'Single Man' (UNKNOWN) D: Bobby Roth -- Harri Ikonen hikonen@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1262 Re: Tangerine Dream filmography PNaunton@a... Wed 2/26/1997 2 KB 1307 Re: Tangerine Dream filmography Harri Ikonen Thu 2/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Flamebait: Is RUBYCON REVISITED Similar to TANGENTS? ;) Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening -Reply >Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 16:56:39 -0500 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: florin epure > >I think Silva Screen has done an excellent job actually giving us the >possibility to hear the master tapes for TPiM, Deadly Care and others. >In my opinion TPiM is one of TD's best soundtracks. [. . .] It's nice to hear someone other than myself say such things. :) >[. . .] Each of these releases have some good tracks - o.k. not all >tracks are excellent but I really like them as an overall release. I think this applies especially to DEAD SOLID PERFECT. I realize that, in structure, it's as threadbare as THREE O'CLOCK HIGH, yet as a unit, it's great stuff. Ford Thaxton's decision to link the tracks up close together really paid off for *this* TD fan. >We would have never heard them if it weren't for Slva Sreen. >(Hopefully they'll do some more...) I hope they get to the Bobby Roth flix RAINBOW DRIVE and SINGLE MAN . . . and STREETHAWK. ;) >And about tangentizing:O.K. you can 'tangentize' it, but >don't mix some new sounds on the original sound of a track - either >1.re-record it with all these new amazing instruments or >2.give us the original release - >but don't mix them, please. Ah! This homes in somewhat on what irks me so about all this remixing shenanigans. My fave parts of TANGENTS are the tracks that are indeed complete overhauls of the originals, such as 'Phaedra.' This explains why 'Upland' is one of my fave tracks on BEYOND THE STORM. As for 'mixing them,' as Florin says, isn't that pretty much the case with the odious RUBYCON REVISITED boot? X-o ;) ;) :) >And also in case 1, please re-record the whole track not only a 2-3-4 >min excerpt or put a part on one cd and another part on another cd. !!! :) >Florin. Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1240 Re: Flamebait: Is RUBYCON REVISITED Similar to TA Erik Sanborn Tue 2/25/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 11:17 pm Subject: Re: Letter to Miramar re 'GREATEST HITS' Really-From: David Datta : Really-From: Steven Feldman : Another thought: if someone made such a pirate CD on their own, it : would embarrass the sh*t out of Virgin, Jive, Sequel et al when it : outsold their own (legit) releases by a margin of 10 to 1. ;) ;) ;) Do you REALLY think it would? I don't. It would take an awful lot of really, really die-hard collectors to out-sell something pushed by the massive machine that is the legit music industry. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 11:10 pm Subject: Re: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . . Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman -snip- > >THE EXORCIST [?? ??? ??] - EF/?? > > Wrong. It was--all join in, now--Mike Oldfield. -snip- Rumor has it that some TD music was used. This has persisted for quite some time and is found on many lists -- which is where I got it from. I don't have 'The Exorcist' video. It would be a real service to mankind if someone who has it would confirm/deny the truth of this persistent rumor. Regards -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 11:41 pm Subject: Time signatures/Destination Berlin/12'Das Maedchen.... Really-From: ' teiwaz barana' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: 20 Feb 97 9:14 Subject: Re: Time Signatures Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... >The great thing about TD's use of unusual time signatures is it doesn't jump out at you - it's just used tastefully where it's appropriate. Contrast with, for example, Rush, whose music often screams 'LOOK HOW CLEVER WE ARE, EVERYBODY, WE'RE PLAYING IN 5/4 TIME!'< Which RUSH songs do this?--please give an example. --teiwaz ObTD: just got a taped copy of the 'Tangentized' Monolight 'single' from the vinyl and a taped copy of Flock and Speed from the Das Maedchen auf der Treppe 30cm. Anyone know why the record sleeve says 45RPM and the label inside is a Virgin records label that says 33rpm? I own the 7' single version of DMadT. Oh yeah, is anyone in the US looking for a copy of Destination Berlin on CD? I saw a new one yesterday for $15 I could grab it and send it out for $20. Someone said they were having trouble finding this. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 1:37 am Subject: Re: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . . Really-From: Ken Alexander > some time and is found on many lists -- which is where I got it from. I > don't have 'The Exorcist' video. It would be a real service to mankind > if someone who has it would confirm/deny the truth of this persistent > rumor. Regards -- Mark TD is not credited on the Exorcist. Isn't William Friedkin (the director of both Sorcerer and Exorcist) quoted in the Sorcerer notes saying 'had I known about TD when I made the Exorcist, I would have used them for it as well!' ? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 12:59 am Subject: Re: FEBRUARY FAQ/_Logotypes_ track listing Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Hello, Feldon--greetings all! >I know you probably don't have much time to read e-mails, but i thought I'd >ask something. Is there a more detailed time index analysis of the Logos >concert and the Logos CD? >... >I got tapes of the concert which aren't bad, the usual excessive bass, >weakened midtones... how good is this Logotypes CDR as far as quality? I was >actually thinking of burning my own CD with the 24 minutes of unreleased >stuff broken up into 4 tracks and Logos Blue part '86... >... >P.S. One more question, honest, this is the last one! I noticed that the >beginning of Part 2 sounds different than the CD release, is this just a >part of Set 2 that was edited out in the studio? My taped version of the >concert, it is very chopped up, like the tape recorder was stopped and >started a couple times so it's hard to tell how it was edited. I hope you don't mind me posting this to list as well, Feldon. I've been asked by others as well for this info, so I'd just like to do this in one swell foop! ; ) ===LOGOTYPES TRACK LISTING=== The boot _Logotypes_ is a very limited edition CD-R (approx. 20) of a soundboard tape from the Polygon Studio rehearsals for the UK '82 tour. It contains the entire 1st set, and 30 min. of the 2nd set (minus the first 5 min. and the last 10 min.) The sound quality is for the most part very good for a boot, and although the 2nd set has some unfortunate edits (unavoidable due to the flaws in the source tape), this is not a big problem, as this is the set found on _Logos_. The track times and titles are as follows: 'Infernal Device' 3:08 'Hijack' 3:22 (also from The Soldier) 'Rush of Joy' 5:10 'Mirage' 2:37 'Desert Run' 3:58 'Renewed Purpose' 4:18 (also from The Keep) 'Dreamscape' 6:13 'Choronzon' 8:08 'Tangent' 3:28 'Mojave Plan' 4:48 (edit [due to tape problems] of 'Desert Part') 'Harbor Entry' 2:28 (also from The Sodier) 'Last Hope' 6:54 (AKA Logos Velvet [also from the Soldier]) 'The Keep: Dark Atmosphere' 1:50 (AKA Logos Red) 'The Keep: Black Light' 4:08 (AKA Logos Red) 'The Keep: Release' 5:18 (AKA Logos Blue [also from The Keep]) 'Descent Into Madness' 4:36 (also from The Keep) And as an added treat (it was my birthday this weekend, so I'm feeling generous!), here are the liner notes that accompanied this disc: TANGERINE DREAM LOGOTYPES - POLYGON STUDIO BERLIN 1982 Whenever fans are asked to list their favorite TD albums, Logos - Live at The Dominion is very often at or near the top. Coming at the end of 1982, Logos represents both an end and a beginning; an end to the mostly improvised performances which made every show a unique experience, and the beginning of the tightly sequenced, rhythymically dynamic and melodically structured direction that has continued to the present. It was also a representation of the very prolific output from the band during this time. Between 1970 and 1979, TD released 12 albums; between 1980 and 1982 they released 6! This was also the beginning of their reign in Hollywood: no fewer than 9 soundtracks were composed during this period; including Strange Behaviour, Thief, The Soldier, Tatort and The Keep. That kind of output continued throughout the 80's. Logos reflects all of these elements and more within its' continuously shifting patterns. This is not to say that the music was (is) uninspired; quite to the contrary, the newfound direction was a logical and necessary step in the evolution of TD's sound. The inspirational muse of the band merely moved from improvisation to composititon. Themes and structures were now developed rather than 'discovered'. But within the compositions, there remains a rich and varied texture of sound, which can and does reward the listener with a new experience upon every play. This is the essence of a true artist. This is the essence of Tangerine Dream. This disc was taken from a soundboard cassette of the rehearsals for the 1982 fall tour. The first track contains over 20 minutes of material not available elswhere. The second track begins midway through 'Mojave Plan', and ends after the second theme from 'Logos Part B', here called 'Descent Into Madness'. All track titles are my 'impressions' of the theme except where a real title exists. All flaws in the material are present on the cassette; hiss, flutter ('Renewed Purpose'), dropouts (the first 5 minutes of 'Mojave Plan' were unusable) and edits ('The Keep'). The remaining 10 minutes of the second set were edited due to space limitations. - Goozer Yes, I am familiar with the author! ; ) And as mentioned in the February FAQ (on sale now!): ...the first 6:45 (of the _Logos_ CD) is an ever-so-slight remix of the first 6:45 of the actual first set opening, which is in place of the actual second set opener, 'Mojave Plan - Canyon Part' (and before _anyone_ asks: no, not the _Tangents_ version; the second half of the _White Eagle_ version!) and a short linking piece (the terrorists' 'Harbor Entry' music from the film The Soldier.) goozer P.S: This was the prize won by Florin for entering and answering the JAN. FAQ Contest! Who knows what YOU could win... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 1:13 am Subject: Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! >I can't understand that everyone is talking about Stratosfear 1995, my copy >of Tyranny of Beauty really says Stratosfear 1994. Does somebody else >also have this 1994 version? > >Marcel Uh...double check it to make sure. I have the original Miramar release and the TDI re-issue and they both list it as 'Stratosfear '95'. goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 7:04 am Subject: Chris Franke on IRC! Really-From: Elana who? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:08:26 -0500 From: Gary Davis To: artshop@a... Subject: New Members and Events Hello Friends: The Artist Shop is extremely pleased to welcome our newest member, former Tangerine Dreamer, Christopher Franke. Christopher brings with him his new label, Sonic Images, and it's sister label, Earthtone Records. Included on his roster are such artists as Shadowfax, Mark Shreeve, Solar System, Marcomé, Ah-Kin, Echoes of Incas and more. Between these two labels Franke covers a lot of stylistic territory including techno, ambient, new age, acid jazz, world music, folk alternative and more. And, of course, there's Franke's own work including the soundtracks to the popular Babylon 5 seriesYou'll find all of this at . ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad@a... SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 7:20 am Subject: Franke on IRC - WRONG! (+ apologies) Really-From: Elana who? Someone hand me a crowbar... I now gotta pry my foot out from behind my teeth. Hoof-in-mouth dizeaze city! :-P Talk about wishful thinking...! :( I saw Chris' name... I saw IRC in the next (edited-out for Tadream) paragraph, jumped to conclusions and happily hit the ceiling. Obviously knocked my own brains out in the process. My apologies to everyone here... our Chris guy is NOT going to be on IRC... but it would be nice if he ever did! The artistshop folks routinely sponsor IRC sessions with cool artists... maybe we can talk them into getting Chris to spend some net-time with us fans. Ya never know... :) -Elana Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1521 Jarre Newsgroup Matt Williams Fri 3/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 8:03 am Subject: FS: 'Beyond the Storm' Really-From: Mark Filipak Hello all. Ben Londa is not on TaDream so I'm posting this for him. For Sale: Edgar Froese 'Beyond the Storm' UK version -- 2CD. Price: $18 includes shipping within the US. Contact: mailto:londab@s... I just bought this album. About 10% is 'new age' though good new age and about 90% is just plain good. Parts of 'Macula Transfer' and 'Ages' are found hereon (updated ala 'Tangents'). 28 tracks, 15 of which are previously unreleased. Go get it! -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 4:00 pm Subject: RE: kiew mission Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Really-From: slawlor > > >Hi there. Does anyone know what kind of keyboard tangerine dream is >using for the melody of the last part of kiew mission? I think they use >a similar kind of keyboard in song of the whale 1 and 2, but the sound is >more qiry instead of moog sounding like in the former track. Thanks for >the information. > > >scott K. Lawlor >http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor > > As far as I remember from the Circus Crone TV appearance it was one of the PPG keyboards. I don't know which one, but I guess the PPG waves of that time would do it. Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 7:14 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #845 Really-From: ashok prema I note some conversing regards the 'Logos' concert ie Dominion 1982. I seem to recall that TD fitted TWO concerts in the same evening with something like a 45 minute gap for the audience changeover. Am I right or is my memory playing tricks?? Incidentally, any musicians or even fans out there interested in aquiring a piece of TD history in the form of a Sequential Drumtrax drum machine from TD's Berlin , please mail me in private. Ash aprema@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1291 Re: tadream-digest V15 #845 Michael A Jean Thu 2/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 1:04 pm Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, tim Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >The Rumpelstiltskin CD features all the tracks twice: once with and once >without >the narration. I guess TD learned a things or two since 'Tyger'... ;-) The cassette, which I borrowed from the library, has the music & narration repeated on both sides. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Get a good laugh :-) Really-From: Peter Ravn Dear TDreamers If you want a good laugh then point your browser at: http://www.netstore.de/~jvfields/theartof.htm Regards Peter Ravn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1238 Re: Get a good laugh :-) Mark Filipak Tue 2/25/1997 2 KB 1244 Re: Get a good laugh :-) sean Tue 2/25/1997 2 KB 1248 Re: Get a good laugh :-) Vincent Goudreault Tue 2/25/1997 3 KB 1251 Re: Get a good laugh :-) sean Tue 2/25/1997 2 KB 1515 Get a good laugh :-) Klaus Beschorner Thu 3/6/1997 2 KB 1570 Re: Get a good laugh :-) PhilPDX@a... Sat 3/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 1:43 pm Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, tim Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Feb 25, 8:04am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, tim > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > > >The Rumpelstiltskin CD features all the tracks twice: once with and once > >without > >the narration. I guess TD learned a things or two since 'Tyger'... ;-) > > The cassette, which I borrowed from the library, has the music & > narration repeated on both sides. > > Scott >-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list Now, why on earth would a tape have the exact same thing on both sides? Me think it is faulty. Anyone have insight on this SNAFU? C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Video Dream* Really-From: Peter Ravn Dear TDreamers I just searched in CDNOW (http://www.cdnow.com) for TD CD's. There is listed a video release: Video Dream* IMAGE LR-3737A FUTURE RELEASE: May, 21, 1997. I guess that this means that the Video Dream Mixes is postponed 3 months :-( Peter Ravn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: BEYOND THE STORM US & UK: a Difference? Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: FS: 'Beyond the Storm' >Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:03:33 -0800 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >For Sale: Edgar Froese 'Beyond the Storm' UK version -- 2CD. What's the difference between the US and UK versions, if any? Is BtS on the TDI International label in the UK? >I just bought this album. About 10% is 'new age' though good new age >and about 90% is just plain good. Parts of 'Macula Transfer' and 'Ages' >are found hereon (updated ala 'Tangents'). 28 tracks, 15 of which are >previously unreleased. Go get it! -- Mark Don't forget that two of the tracks are actually remixes of tracks found on the KAMIKAZE 1989 soundtrack. I think Edgar changed the titles because he's been quoted as saying that he hasn't re-issued KAMIKAZE 1989 or somesuch (and therefore wouldn't want to blow his cover with what actually is on BEYOND THE STORM). -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1239 Re: BEYOND THE STORM US & UK: a Difference? Mark Filipak Tue 2/25/1997 4 KB 1242 Re: BEYOND THE STORM US & UK: a Difference? Ken Alexander Tue 2/25/1997 2 KB 1289 Re: BEYOND THE STORM US & UK: a Difference? Dave Lane Thu 2/27/1997 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: 'GREATEST HITS' Would Outsell Legit TD Compilations Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Letter to Miramar re 'GREATEST HITS' >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:17:32 -0600 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: David Datta > >: Really-From: Steven Feldman > >: Another thought: if someone made such a pirate CD on their own, it >: would embarrass the sh*t out of Virgin, Jive, Sequel et al when it >: outsold their own (legit) releases by a margin of 10 to 1. ;) ;) ;) > >Do you REALLY think it would? I don't. It would take an awful lot of >really, really die-hard collectors to out-sell something pushed by the >massive machine that is the legit music industry. Let me clarify: a pirate (as opposed to a boot) is something that infiltrates and is sold in legit record outlets and/or chains. Granted, these outlets and/or chains do not constitute 'the legit music industry' per se insofar as legit PR departments and legit distributors would be out of the loop, but still . . . Put such a package as I suggest on the racks in the Tower, HMV, and Sam Goody's of the land, and I'm pretty confident that my prediction would prove itself. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1254 Re: 'GREATEST HITS' Would Outsell Legit TD Compil David Datta Wed 2/26/1997 2 KB 1255 Re: 'GREATEST HITS' Would Outsell Legit TD Compil feldon@n... Wed 2/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 2:55 pm Subject: Re:'Tyranny Of Beauty'1994/1995 Really-From: 'K.E' tadream mailing list wrote: > I can't understand that everyone is talking about Stratosfear 1995, my > copy of Tyranny of Beauty really says Stratosfear 1994. Does somebody > else also have this 1994 version? > Marcel > Uh...double check it to make sure. I have the original Miramar release > and the TDI re-issue and they both list it as 'Stratosfear '95'. > goozer Hm...My copy of ToB is from Virgin/Germany and lists this track as 'Stratosfear 1994'! Well, the sleve notes says it was recorded july-sept 1994, so I think I`ll stick to this year... Kent - Danmark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 11:22 am Subject: Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_ Really-From: Mark Filipak Last 3 songs: 'Haze of Fame' - The somber opening represents the realization that fame has it's price -- in alienated feelings and objectification -- reenforced by Edgar's mornful guitar. This all coexists with Linda's stylish sax to underline the contradictions that fame brings: obtaining one's goals sometimes leads to loss of the more fundimental vital things we all take for granted until they're lost. The song ends with a plaintive cry as our catwalker is caught in a life of boredom and manipulation. 'Tyranny of Beauty' - Our heroine finds the inner strength to change her life and regain her former simple happiness. The rising sequence represents her growing determination to wean herself away from her addiction to fame and the transient pleasures it brings. As the beat comes on, she has decided to thrust all the shabby grandeur away. Her determination grows and grows with each bar -- she has learned, she understands the tyranny of beauty. The strings represent her attainment of a higher ethic. 'Largo' - Our catwalker has reached the peace that maturity and wisdom brings. She now lives her life in simple harmony, secure in her loves and life, having genuine relationships instead of 'useful' relationships. The mellow sax conveys this wisdom in a stately song of quiet triumph and peace. Anyone who believes any of the above should go back to 'The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway'. Everyone else, enjoy the music and leave Edgar's navel alone. -- Mark (it's just music ferchrissake, not high art) tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:28:32 -0500 (EST) tadream mailing list > wrote: > >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > > > (...) > > > > Skip 'Haze Of Fame'. > > > > Skip 'Tyranny Of Beauty'. > > > > Skip 'Largo'. > > > > These last three impress me as being too indulgent, too > > morbid, too boring. They just sit there like puddles. They don't > > start anywhere, don't develop, don't go anywhere. > > Funny to (somewhat unexpectedly) find someone who shares my > impression. In my view, ToB is a moderately good effort to start off > with until the new Stratosfear Mix (called Stratosfear 1994, 1995, or > whatever) fiercely interrups the superordinate idea to the album. > 'Bride in Cold Tears' is definitely a Jerome piece, and not even a bad > one. But even at that point, the album seems to have had its day, and > the last three tracks appear to be huge massive cornerstones of > Nothing. I still could not make sense of them, but if anyone can > enlighten me, I'll be glad to listen... > > Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 3:34 pm Subject: Re: Christopher Franke & The Artist Shop Really-From: Gary Davis At 02:04 AM 2/25/97 -0600, Elana who? wrote: > >I saw Chris' name... I saw IRC in the next (edited-out for Tadream) >paragraph, jumped to conclusions and happily hit the ceiling. Obviously >knocked my own brains out in the process. > >My apologies to everyone here... our Chris guy is NOT going to be on >IRC... but it would be nice if he ever did! > >The artistshop folks routinely sponsor IRC sessions with cool artists... >maybe we can talk them into getting Chris to spend some net-time with us >fans. Ya never know... :) > First, my extra special thanks to Elana who was so kind as to forward my message about Christopher Franke joining The Artist Shop. As an old Tangerine Dream fan, I couldn't be happier to have him with us. Actually, I'm doubly pleased as I must confess that lately I've become a bit of a Babylon 5 junkie and I love Franke's scores for that show. And as he's now part of The Artist Shop, you'll now find the Tangerine Dream and Edgar Froese titles in our Text Catalog. As for Elana's comment about talking us into doing an IRC with Chris, I can promise you that that is already in the back of my mind. (Actually, I almost hit my own head on the ceiling when I saw Elana's header thinking someone had beat me to the punch!) I can't make any promises that he'll do it as I've not approached him on the subject yet. But I do promise you that I WILL ask. Of course my own mailing list will be the first to know about it. But I will definitely post it to Tadream, too, if Elana doesn't beat me to it :-) (I suspect, though, that if Elena hit her head on the ceiling for a false alarm, the real thing will knock her out which will give me just enough time to beat her to the punch. LOL) BTW, I will give you a sneak preview of something in the works. Fans of TD and Chris might also be familiar with an electronic label called Waveform. They will be the next label to join The Artist Shop. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad@a... SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: D: _Tangram_ Really-From: Marshall Wood _Tangram_ (1980) Rating: 5 AS I found it very difficult to review this one. I can't point to any standout passages or anything, because I love every turn the music takes. The melodies are great, the percussion holds my interest, the sound effects add to the atmosphere nicely, and the use of acoustic & electric guitar really add warmth to the album. _Tangram_ was Schmoelling's first studio work with TD, and the music reflects that perfectly. The sequencer runs are still prevalent, as they were in the Baumann days, the guitar is still there (there's not much guitar in later Schmoelling-era albums), and it's all beautifully complemented by Schmoelling's great knack for melody. Froese provides the emotional warmth (at least, that is who I attribute it to based on his solo works of the time) that slipped away by the time of _Le Parc_, IMO. _Tangram_ achieves a great balance. The quintessential Tangerine Dream album, IMO. And this is CD that I would use to introduce people to the band, especially part one. No collection is complete without this one. Easily a 5 AS. MWood From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: D: _Turn of the Tides_ Really-From: Marshall Wood _Turn of the Tides_ (1992) Rating: 2 AS First off, let me say that the 'Turn of the Tides' story in the CD booklet should be thrown out. It seems like nothing more than a bad attempt at somehow tying the song titles together. The liner notes indicate that this an an excerpt from something called 'The Coachman's Tales' by Edgar Froese. I assume that whatever 'The Coachman's Tales' is, it has never come to light? Thank the Lord. The rest of the liner notes are good, though - with detailed track information and credits. As a long-time Emerson Lake and Palmer fan, the brief excerpt from 'Pictures at an Exhibition' doesn't bother me at all. Doesn't excite me either, though. The acoustic and electric guitar work on 'Firetongues' is very nice - if only the ubiquitous harpsichord sound wasn't used... I love the ominous beginning of 'Galley Slave's Horizon.' Great heavy percussion, and a fiery lead guitar. But after about the 3:00 mark, things go downhill. The backing vox of Jayney Klimek and Julie Ocean just don't feel necessary, and the entire middle section is kind of a letdown after that powerful start. And there is just enough of our friend the harpsichord patch scattered about to let you know that this is indeed TD. The closing 2-3 minutes feature re-capture my attention with some brief acoustic guitar, and then a straight- forward electric guitar solo. Nice ending to cap it off. Why don't the liner notes credit Linda Spa on this track? Are we just hearing sampled sax around 2:30-3:00? 'Death of a Nightingale' sounds like John Tesh and Kenny G broke into TD's Eastgate Studios late one night and swapped a tape of one of their compositions for what was undoubtably a killer TD track! Those b*st*rds! This track is six minutes too long. 'Twilight Brigade' has kind of a light techno opening, and then Zlatko slides in with some graceful guitar work. But, don't worry, there is plenty of harpsichord sample here for everybody! But aside from some interesting feedback guitar around 1:50 that recalls the seagull sounds in the middle of Pink Floyd's 'Echoes', there isn't much more here to get the blood pumping. Zlatko repeats his opening guitar work around the 5 minute mark, but then the graceful stuff takes a turn toward a harder edged solo, which seems misplaced. 'Jungle Journey' - nice rhythm guitar enters at 1:30. That's all that piqued my interest. 'Midwinter Night' another big-time yawner. John and Kenny must've been at it again. With tunes like this, TD _belongs_ in the new age bins. 'Turn of the Tides' is another schizoid track. It just seems like a bunch of loose ends stitched together. Anyway, whatever keyboard it is that pops in around 1:37, I like it. The rhythm guitar flows along nicely, and the percussion is decent. The lead synth at around 2:34 somehow recalls Schmoelling. Another fiery burst of electric guitar courtesy of Zlatko, and a stepped up percussion line energize the next two minutes or so. Then things slow down dramatically, and the backing vocals of Klimek & Ocean enter again, and the rest of the track is 'TD does Enya.' It pains me to give this CD only 2 AS, really. I thought I liked it more than that, but I guess not. MWood From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 11:28 am Subject: Re: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . . Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Ken Alexander > > > some time and is found on many lists -- which is where I got it from. > > I don't have 'The Exorcist' video. It would be a real service to > > mankind if someone who has it would confirm/deny the truth of this > > persistent rumor. Regards -- Mark > > TD is not credited on the Exorcist. > > Isn't William Friedkin (the director of both Sorcerer and Exorcist) > quoted in the Sorcerer notes saying 'had I known about TD when I made > the Exorcist, I would have used them for it as well!' ? Oh yes, now that you mention it... (slam!) Case Closed. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 3:50 pm Subject: Re: Get a good laugh :-) Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Peter Ravn > > Dear TDreamers > > If you want a good laugh then point your browser at: > > http://www.netstore.de/~jvfields/theartof.htm > > Regards > Peter Ravn Who said Edgar never smiles? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 4:00 pm Subject: Re: BEYOND THE STORM US & UK: a Difference? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Subject: FS: 'Beyond the Storm' > >Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:03:33 -0800 > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > >For Sale: Edgar Froese 'Beyond the Storm' UK version -- 2CD. > > What's the difference between the US and UK versions, if any? > Is BtS on the TDI International label in the UK? > > >I just bought this album. About 10% is 'new age' though good new age > >and about 90% is just plain good. Parts of 'Macula Transfer' and 'Ages' > >are found hereon (updated ala 'Tangents'). 28 tracks, 15 of which are > >previously unreleased. Go get it! -- Mark > > Don't forget that two of the tracks are actually remixes of tracks > found on the KAMIKAZE 1989 soundtrack. I think Edgar changed the titles > because he's been quoted as saying that he hasn't re-issued KAMIKAZE > 1989 or somesuch (and therefore wouldn't want to blow his cover with > what actually is on BEYOND THE STORM). > > -- Steven Feldman and > Someone with the US version will have to reply, but I've read somewhere that it's only 1CD -- can't remember where though and I may be wrong. As an aid, here's my track listing off the UK version: BEYOND THE STORM [??? ??] - EF 1- Heatwave City [5:37] 2- Dome of Yellow Turtles [5:12] 3- One Fine Day in Siberia [5:08] 4- Magic Lantern [5:05] 5- Walkabout [7:12] 6- Genesta in the Afternoon Glow [3:41] 7- Moonlight on a Crawler Lane [4:03] 8- Scarlet Score for Mescalero [4:55] 9- Upland [4:15] 10- Santa Elena Marisal [7:40] 11- Macula Transfer [3:22] 12- Drunken Mozart [9:35] 13- Descent Like a Hawk [5:11] 14- Carneol [4:47] 15- The Light Cone [4:36] 16- Detroit Snackbar Dreamer [6:37] 17- Epsilon in Malaysian Pale [5:30] 18- Tierra Del Fuego [4:23] 19- Bobcats in the Sun [5:30] 20- Metropolis [5:43] 21- Year of the Falcon [5:44] 22- Juniper Mascara [4:27] 23- Shores of Guam [5:07] 24- Pinnacles [8:01] 25- Stuntman [4:15] 26- Days of Camouflage [6:09] 27- Tropic of Capricorn [5:11] 28- Vault of the Heavens [5:07] Note: These are actual running times as read from a CD player. Cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 3:42 pm Subject: Re: Flamebait: Is RUBYCON REVISITED Similar to TANGENTS? ;) Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) >Really-From: Steven Feldman >>And about tangentizing:O.K. you can 'tangentize' it, but >>don't mix some new sounds on the original sound of a track - either >>1.re-record it with all these new amazing instruments or >>2.give us the original release - >>but don't mix them, please. > Ah! This homes in somewhat on what irks me so about all this >remixing shenanigans. My fave parts of TANGENTS are the tracks that >are indeed complete overhauls of the originals, such as 'Phaedra.' >This explains why 'Upland' is one of my fave tracks on BEYOND THE >STORM. While I generally enjoy the completely overhauled tracks that appear on TANGENTS, including Phaedra, I also enjoy most of the remixed versions of the originals. Granted, both types are quite different than the originals but I enjoy TANGENTS on the whole as a standalone product. However, you've homed in on what irks me about BEYOND THE STORM: Upland. Upland was my favorite track from AQUA. The version that appears on BtS is *nothing* like the original except for several seconds at the beginning. Kind of like space-music-meets-dance-remix. Gackk. It just doesn't work for me, either as a remix variation of the original or as a standalone new track. I've tried to get used to it but I still cringe a bit when I listen to it. For me, it is a low-point of the album, an unsuccessful experiment. On the other hand, I do like BtS as a whole album. I think it showcases Edgar's core talent as master of the melody. And if I had to pick a favorite track, the answer would be easy: Magic Lantern. For fans of Edgar's guitar playing, this track is worth the price of the whole album! My $0.02 worth... -Erik Sanborn esanborn@B... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 4:59 pm Subject: TD midi files Really-From: Sylvain Naud Hi all, Someone known if TD midi files are avalaible on the net ? Thanks for your reply Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1574 Re: TD midi files Philip Meyer Sat 3/8/1997 2 KB 1580 Re: TD midi files feldon@n... Sat 3/8/1997 2 KB 1586 Re: TD midi files Mark Filipak Sun 3/9/1997 2 KB 1587 Re: TD midi files Mark Filipak Sun 3/9/1997 3 KB 1589 Re: TD midi files Pixel Sun 3/9/1997 2 KB 1593 Re: TD midi files Mark Filipak Sun 3/9/1997 3 KB 1596 Re: TD midi files Marcel Engels Sun 3/9/1997 3 KB 1605 Re: TD midi files Pixel Mon 3/10/1997 2 KB 1607 Re: TD midi files Mark Filipak Mon 3/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 5:22 pm Subject: Re: BEYOND THE STORM US & UK: a Difference? Really-From: Ken Alexander > Someone with the US version will have to reply, but I've read somewhere > that it's only 1CD -- can't remember where though and I may be wrong. You're wrong. The US is a 2CD, and the track times are as you mention, plus or minus a couple seconds. (Perhaps a CD player difference.) Note that the back of the US version has an error: it lists the time of 'Drunken Mozart' as 3:25, but it is actually 9:33 on my player (close enough to the 9:35 that you list). From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 5:29 pm Subject: sch guys--what about kk?/Rumple. w/o K. Turner Really-From: ' teiwaz barana' If you're going to include 1. Conrad Schnitzler 2. Steve Schroyder 3. Klaus Schulze Why not include Klaus Krieger--isn't he the drummer on FM--one of the more popular albums from the virgin years? and I have a copy of Rumplestiltskin w/ and w/o K. Turner narration. I could tape it if someone wants a copy. Sure would like to trade for a copy of the Music in the Movies show. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1246 Re: sch guys--what about kk?/Rumple. w/o K. Turne feldon@n... Tue 2/25/1997 2 KB 1253 Re: sch guys--what about kk?/Rumple. w/o K. Turne Marcel Engels Tue 2/25/1997 2 KB 1266 Re: sch guys--what about kk?/Rumple. w/o K. Turne Dennis Nigbur Wed 2/26/1997 3 KB 1267 Re: sch guys--what about kk?/Rumple. w/o K. Turne feldon@n... Wed 2/26/1997 3 KB 1278 Poor Klaus K... dbrewer@a... Thu 2/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 6:31 pm Subject: Re: Get a good laugh :-) Really-From: sean That Jerome - what a wacky guy. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'I used to be indecisive, but now I just don't know' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 6:03 pm Subject: Re: London Glitch (was Re: D:Tyger) Really-From: Mark Filipak Note: Everybody who owns CDs should read this (public service announcement). tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: dbrewer@a... -snip- > > Quoted From: Mark Filipak > > I listened to the guitar solo of London > > > > 09:54 - 10:30 -- 1st part of guitar solo > > 11:06 - 11:46 -- 2nd part of guitar solo > > 12:29 - 13:19 -- 3rd part of guitar solo > > > > The only thing I heard that might at all be considered unusual is a 5 > > second change of 'lead' from guitar to keyboard and back to guitar at > > 10:12. Is this the 'dropout' you refer to? Was it bridged over > > (quite effectively I might add) on the mastering I have? > > Okay, here we go. Here's how my disc behaves: > > 11:06 -- Guitar solo starts (I personally don't consider the stuff > right before to really be part of the solo, but whatever) > 11:31 -- the glitch occurs > 11:49 -- the solo stops. > etc... I have a very old copy of Tyger. It definitely does _not_ have this 'glitch'. > When I think about it, it seems like the glitch could be in the master, > not the disc, since it sounds like a quick, high pitched squeak. The > only times I've heard a sound like that was whenever I don't do a clean > punch-out and back in between songs when I record a collection of songs > onto tape. So it at least *sounds* like a glitch on an analog master. -snip- > > I agree about the intro to 'Alchemy' but I don't agree about hiss and > > pops. I think you just have a bad CD from a bad production run. > > > That is a most reasonable explanation, Mark. I also appreciate the info > on the process of pressing CD's. Believe it or not, in my ignorance I > always thought that unless different master tapes were used, any two > copies of a CD were virtually identical. I see now that is not the > case! *** I have several CDs that weren't prep'd properly -- they had white streaks and 'cloudiness' about them. After 10 years or so, they don't play anymore -- too many errors for the error correction to 'fix' on the fly. The cloudiness is aluminum oxide, the aluminum equivalent of rust. CDs are supposed to be made in clean rooms, but some are not so clean and the aluminum plating (sputtered actually, I think) gets contaminated. Gradually, the contamination 'eats' the aluminum. Now I don't buy a CD that looks that way. Another handy tip: the CD ROM in my computer doesn't have any built in error correction. It relies on software to do it. When I play an audio CD there is no software running to make the corrections, so every flaw is heard. I've actually heard CDs going bad over the period of just a couple of years. When the CD gets so bad that my CD ROM can't track, I make a CDR of it. CDRs and 'Audiophile' CDs (Moble Fidelity, etc.) are dark yellowish-green because they are made of gold instead of aluminum. Gold is much more stable. Whereas the regular aluminum CDs are estimated to have a maximum lifespan of 20 years, the gold ones are guaranteed for 100 years. There are a couple of interesting (or sad) aspects of this. First, maybe we should have kept all those LPs afterall. Second, long after Edgar's CDs have all turned to aluminum oxide dust, CDR bootlegs will still be good as new giving anthropologists in the 22nd century a listen to our music -- pirates as keepers of the culture! :-) > So, not all copies of Tyger have this damn glitch on London. This leads > to the biggest head scratcher to me -- why did Edgar edit out that > specific spot on the DRC version of the track? I would assume he'd get > the best quality master possible for the box set, and obviously there > is a better master out there (assuming the glitch is on the master) > than the one used for my copy... Perhaps someone ruined the master after my CD was made and before yours or DRC were done. People make mistakes -- a momentary hit on a record button... shit happens. It's sad. You'd think that with all the technology available _anything_ can be fixed -- it's just a matter of time and work, but not everybody is willing to put the effort out. Give me your address and I'll make a cassette of my Tyger and send it to you. If you indeed hear the difference (in what you _don't_ hear actually) then perhaps a CDR is in order, eh? > Now we need to put this puppy to bed (quoting the same teacher), except > for the DRC version question (and don't anybody tell me that it is not > like that on their copy, or I'll scream! ;-) ). -snip- > Humbly, > Dave Brewer Sorry to be the bearer of bad news about our precious CDs, but I don't think there will be anything left to pass on to our kids, or to listen to in our old age. Ah well, maybe o(+> will survive to be reissued in the next technology but I don't think TD will -- not popular music you know. -- Mark (I feel like having a drink right now. How 'bout you? Damn, I don't have any country music. Guess I'll have to cry sober.) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 7:25 pm Subject: Re: sch guys--what about kk?/Rumple. w/o K. Turner Really-From: feldon@n... At 09:29 AM 2/25/97 -0800, you wrote: >Really-From: ' teiwaz barana' >Why not include Klaus Krieger--isn't he the drummer on FM--one of the more >popular albums from the virgin years? Yeah, but let's not talk about how out of sync his drumming on Force Majeure is. Don't get me wrong, every single bit of drumming on Force Majeure is great, but it's not in sync with the song. I'm surprised Edgar didn't move the drumbeats around on the Tangents versions... Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 7:31 pm Subject: Sch... (and other?) Guys Really-From: Vic Rek At 09:29 AM 2/25/97 -0800, you wrote: >Really-From: ' teiwaz barana' > >If you're going to include > >1. Conrad Schnitzler >2. Steve Schroyder >3. Klaus Schulze > >Why not include Klaus Krieger--isn't he the drummer on FM--one of the more >popular albums from the virgin years? > Sure we can include Klaus (which is the right last name spelling?) Kr??ger for a week. I guess we'd be reviewing 'The Collection' a CD compilation from his two albums or the two albums themselves. Does anybody have his single??? We are almost back to the complete list of artists that had major/minor contributions. Anybody want to vote on including a week for Steve Jolliffe and a week for Michael Hoenig to round it off since these guys have solo albums? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 7:28 pm Subject: Re: Get a good laugh :-) Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Feb 25, 1:31pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Get a good laugh :-) > Really-From: sean > > > > > That Jerome - what a wacky guy. > > > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > 'I used to be indecisive, > but now I just don't know' > > >-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list For the benefit of those who, like me, are disallowed access to the web... -- what is in there anyway? -- (the world wonders) C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1251 Re: Get a good laugh :-) sean Tue 2/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Some Data About TDI International Releases Really-From: Steven Feldman Howdy All, I just received a copy of the version of TURN OF THE TIDES with 'Story of the Brave' on it, and was surprised to find that it is from 1996! In fact, while the catalog number for the UK edition of THE DREAM MIXES is TD1001CD, the number for what I have is TD1003CD, which, in turn, implies that the number for the UK TYRANNY OF BEAUTY the one with 'Quasar') would be TD1002CD. To make a long story short, what I have is a UK CD, even though the person who sold it to me thought it was an Austrian pressing (all UK 'TDI International' CDs are pressed in Austria [as far as I've been able to figure], as are many UK CDs, it seems). To make a short story long, here's some of the distinguishing characteristics of the version of TURN OF THE TIDES that has 'Story of the Brave' tacked onto it: o A round white sticker on the jewel case reads 'PICTURE DISC EDITION LIMITE'E' o The top right of the paper insert reads 'INCLUDES BONUS-TRACK STORY OF THE BRAVE' o Insert is sone sheet folded in half (not a stapled booklet) o Disc say it's 'Made in Austria', has the number 'TD1003CD', and says 'c 1996 TDI Music' Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 8:02 pm Subject: Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_ Really-From: centaur@c... (Anthony G. Francis, Jr.) > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > 17-Feb-1997 > Tangerine Dream > 'Tyranny Of Beauty' > > On the opening of 'Catwalk', after the introduction of chorus-like > voices and shortly before the tune really gets going, there is a strange > sound; a heavily distorted jangle of noise which sweeps back and forth > between the speakers momentarily, before vanishing as suddenly as it emerged. > It sounds like a mistake, but I really don't think so. It doesn't fit in > the mix, in my opinion. It shows up later in the track, too. Aside from > this aberration, I like this tune. I actually like that swishing noise; I think it adds to the imagery of the piece. 'Catwalk' to me tells a story, and I can bend the image in many ways to make tell different stories. With the exception of 'S95' and 'BICT', the rest of the album doesn't have the same kind of power. > 'Stratosfear 1995' is a pretty good cover, but, taken on its own > terms, it does not have the endearing qualities of the original. I like it, I > suppose, because it takes me back a ways. My favorite TD track. Having played both the original and the '95 version over and over again, I think the new version is best viewed as a different song using the same theme... the opening is particularly powerful to me. > 'Bride In Cold Tears' - - I may be sorely mistaken, but this seems > like a preview of 'Dream Mixes'. There are alot of DJ type interjections in > this tune; a smattering of freely spewed samples to spice up the mix. This > seems to be a Jeromeo signature. None-the-less, there is something I like > about this tune. This also tells a story; the interjections and samples keep it moving, make it flexible... > So, three (GOOD TRACKS) out of nine isn't bad. Definitely not > memorable, though. > > Phil Naunton I agree with that ... one good and two really standout tracks, and then six remaining 'OK' pieces... but for me the good tracks are so good that it's one of my favorite TD albums. -Anthony -- Anthony G. Francis, Jr. | cen.taur \'sen-.to.(*)r\ n AI/Cognitive Science Group | [ME, fr. L Centaurus, fr. Gk Kentauros] College of Computing | 1: one of a race fabled to be half man Georgia Institute of Technology | and half horse and to dwell in the Atlanta, Georgia 30332-0280 | mountains of Thessaly. Phone: (404) 894-5612 | 2: nickname for this AI grad student Net: centaur@c... - http://www.cc.gatech.edu/ai/students/centaur/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 8:15 pm Subject: Re: Get a good laugh :-) Really-From: sean > For the benefit of those who, like me, are disallowed access to the web... > -- what is in there anyway? -- The text reads: Edgar & Jerome after listening to a 1 hour lecture from a jurassic guy about: 'Why 'Zeit' is the best TD album!!' This is accompanied with animated .gif images of the pair, with a morphing effect that twists their faces into cheesy smiles. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'For dark is the suede that mows like the harvest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 9:29 pm Subject: Re: Kiew Mission question (2) Really-From: rob essers > >Really-From: slawlor > > >Hi there. Does anyone know what kind of keyboard tangerine dream is >using for the melody of the last part of kiew mission? I think they use >a similar kind of keyboard in song of the whale 1 and 2, but the sound is >more qiry instead of moog sounding like in the former track. Thanks for >the information. > > >scott K. Lawlor >http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor > > The sounds came from The PPG wave 2.2 and the Waveterm . I think they had a prerelease, the year the PPG wave 2.2 came out was 1982. These sounds of the last part of kiew mission are the scanning of a wavetable. For me EXIT is THE album were TD have a perfect sound. A milestone in electronic music. Rob Essers - robessers@i... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 10:16 pm Subject: Re: sch guys--what about kk?/Rumple. w/o K. Turner Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Yeah, but let's not talk about how out of sync his drumming on Force Majeure > is. Don't get me wrong, every single bit of drumming on Force Majeure is > great, but it's not in sync with the song. I'm surprised Edgar didn't move > the drumbeats around on the Tangents versions... Do you know why all those old records, especially FM are such classics. Because they are *not* in sync. Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 12:54 am Subject: Re: 'GREATEST HITS' Would Outsell Legit TD Compilations Really-From: David Datta In article <5ev0ed$a55$1@n...> you wrote: : Really-From: Steven Feldman : Let me clarify: a pirate (as opposed to a boot) is something that : infiltrates and is sold in legit record outlets and/or chains. Granted, : these outlets and/or chains do not constitute 'the legit music industry' : per se insofar as legit PR departments and legit distributors would be : out of the loop, but still . . . Never happen. The distribution channels in the music industry are waaay too centralized to allow a pirate to be distributed in the way you are proposing. I would say at least 90% of the music stores in the USA purchase only from one of 10 major distributors. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 2:12 am Subject: Re: 'GREATEST HITS' Would Outsell Legit TD Compilations Really-From: feldon@n... At 06:54 PM 2/25/97 -0600, you wrote: >Really-From: David Datta > > >Never happen. The distribution channels in the music industry are waaay >too centralized to allow a pirate to be distributed in the way you are >proposing. I would say at least 90% of the music stores in the USA >purchase only from one of 10 major distributors. Great, now we know who's mail departments to mysteriously *add* boxes of CDs to... Just 10 companies? Awesome, let's form a task force of people to each sneak into these distributors and do a little switching... Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 3:02 am Subject: Checkpoint Charley Really-From: Vic Rek Does anybody have this movie? 'Checkpoint Charley' - with Edgar Froese as an actor?? This is german. Froese plays a minor part and can be seen from time to time. Music by Kraan. Unknown year of recording. No TD music. Can anyone provide additional information? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1271 Re: Checkpoint Charley PNaunton@a... Wed 2/26/1997 2 KB 1282 Re: Checkpoint Charley Rainer Rutka Thu 2/27/1997 3 KB 1277 Re: Checkpoint Charley Vic Rek Thu 2/27/1997 2 KB 1315 Re: Checkpoint Charley PNaunton@a... Fri 2/28/1997 2 KB 1317 Re: Checkpoint Charley PNaunton@a... Fri 2/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 3:14 am Subject: Plus ca change...(HUGE POST-MISS IT AT YOUR PERIL!) Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Sincere apologies to those who have seen some of this before, and to those who will see it again, I'm sure... To those of you who find it sport to play 'slag the band' for their current work...IT IS THE NATURE OF PROGRESSIVE MUSIC TO PROGRESS! HENCE THE NAME! Not all of the possible...er...'tangents' may be in your particular taste. But that is entirely beside the point! EVERYONE has an opinion, and has the right to express it. BUT...'It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.' Opinions stated as fact, especially generalities based on 'feelings', are arrogant and ultimately self-defeating. Music is one of the most sublimely subjective experiences in life. You either 'get it', or you don't. To catagorically state that 'this or that sucks', without the modifier 'in my opinion' only reveals the speakers' arrogance, IMHO. ; ) As an artist myself, I do try to create images (and more recently, sounds) that I consider to be worthy to be experienced. BUT...ultimately, the decision to what I do is mine alone, irregardless of what others may think. Creating _in and of itself_ is the reward. Accolades and mammon are nice, but ultimately false rewards. As Edgar so aptly put it; '...the usual judgements made from the critics' perspective are valueless...(the fans') expectations or wishes never had any influence on the compositions. Or could you imagine, that the contents of a diary correspond to the quality of paper it is written on?' This is not to shut off discourse about which album or what era or style is your favorite or most 'creative', but it should help everyone realize that it doesn't matter whether you like it or not; if it's not to your liking, then take it back and move on. I personally will not waste time arguing with anyone who states 'this sucks', it only gives the other person a platform upon which to spout off; and with very few exceptions, no one's mind is changed. The shocking level of ignorance displayed recently regarding TD's so-called lack of creativity, or that Edgar or Jerome simply can't cut it, is truly sad. YOU ARE NOT EDGAR OR JEROME, THERFORE, YOU ARE IN NO POSITION TO SPEAK FOR THE BANDS' OUTPUT _OUTSIDE_ OF YOUR OWN SUBJECTIVE OPINION!!! Critics with far more...er...'wit and wisdom' have been writing the bands' epitaph for years! They are just as wrong! Face it, people; TD _IS_ Edgars' band, always has been, always will be. True, it is a collaborative effort with other musicians' within the group, _while_ they're in the group, but the constant and the vision is Edgar. And I'm sure eventually the torch will be passed and Jerome will carry on with _his_ vision for TD. The fact is, Edgar will continue to create according to his vision for as long as he can; whether you like it or not makes NO difference! If you wish to engage in 'mental masturbation', showing how 'clever' you are in trashing whatever doesn't fit into your world view, be my guest. As for myself, I am a fan of the ENTIRE output of the band, from _Electronic Meditation_ through _Oasis_, and I can easily see the developmental and creative thread that ties them all together. I eagerly await the next direction, whatever it may be, that the band...Edgar...takes! Speaking of 'tangents'... IT IS THE ARTISTS' PRIVILEDGE TO DO AS HE OR SHE WISHES WITH THEIR WORK! As an artist, I completely concur with Edgar's decision to remix/rerecord the material. No piece of work is perfect, or truly finished, from an artists' standpoint. These are not epistles from God we're talking about here! They are simply expressions of the experienced subjective reality of Edgar and Co. As such, they are open to interpretation on all levels by everyone who encounters them. INCLUDING THE CREATORS! If Edgar chooses to reinterpret these works, that is his right; in some cases, it is his responsibility to do so. _Tangents_, _Book of Dreams_, _Dream Roots_ and, BTW, _Solo: 74-79_, are all examples of an artist who continually strives to offer new ideas and fresh direction, even when revisiting what has come before. I don't know about the rest of you, but collections and compilations are usually the last items of an artists' oevure that I buy, if at all (see below). The overwhelming majority are assembled by the label without bothering to ask the artist, often haphazardly put together with no sense of continuity (or history, for that matter...) and always lacking that 'one favorite song'. The fact that Edgar, and now Christoph, were asked to assemble these items alone is a major miracle. He didn't want to do it at all when originally asked by Virgin (and later Castle). Had Edgar ultimately turned Virgin down when asked to do _Tangents_, we would've been given another _Dream Sequence_; they were going to do a compilation with or without him. The constant bitching about _Tangents_ really makes me boil! Did I miss something, or is this just too simple...THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL STILL EXISTS!! It's not as if by releasing _Tangents_ or _Dream Roots_ the other albums disappeared! If you hadn't bothered to read the liners or various interviews given at the time, then allow me to relay the following: precisely _because_ the originals were still available, Edgar decided to rework the material, to not only offer new insight and in some cases new life to the originals, but also to offer something back to the fans! You may not like what was done to your precious songs; fine, then, take it back and put on your well worn copies. I'm sorry, but I feel that in some cases the revisions transcend the originals completely. Sure, some don't _seem_ to work, but then again, I'm not the composer so I'm in no position to judge the ultimate decision as to what was done. I merely have to accept it or not. The above holds true for _BoD_ and _DR_ as well. You know, I don't seem to recall ANYONE yelling about _Solo: 74-79_ when it was released. In fact, I've never encountered a negative reaction to it at all. Curious. After all, 12 years before the 'what the hell is Edgar doing' crowd spewed forth their diatribes, Edgar had essentially given us 'Tangents Beyond the Storm'! And nobody blinked!! Maybe some of you don't have this particular LP, so you weren't aware of this tendancy of his. And let's not forget the 'Monolight' single! This only reinforces my belief that some are more prone to prove their ignorance rather than proof their 'facts'! TO those who would suggest that TD has to balance what they wish to create with what the fans want to hear,...no, they do NOT have to balance anything! We are all individuals, and as such, we all experience life in a fashon unique to us. This most emphatically concerns the subjective nature of any art-form. It is ENTIRELY up to the artist to interpret his/her reality through his/her subjective filters and create his/her offering! It is ENTIRELY up to you as an individual to accept or reject what is offered! There are, to be sure, base considerations to be addressed, but really only as concerns marketing (i.e: what label is going to release this offering to the public...if any!) You cannot, however, create art based upon focus groups and marketing! That's called advertising, which is something that I do for a living. Now to the deeper mystery. True Art is not merely a pretty picture or a pretty melody. True Art is far more sublime...and subversive. It should not only represent, it should stimulate, inspire...and even provoke (not for it's own sake, though). To try to imply that an artist should be concerned with 'brand equity', or to compare art to an auto is superficial nonsense! To look at any artwork as mere product reduces the soul immesurably. Perhaps no better example to this is MIchelangelo. He was a sculptor by trade, and created the most beautiful statuary and reliefs known to man. He was also an architect (later in life), and gave us St. Peters in Rome. He was at last a painter, and though he felt that his talent here was secondary, he gave us the Sistine Chapel Ceiling, perhaps the most transcendant painting ever done. It was also _not_ what his patron expected. Had he listened to Pope Julius, his 'public', the result would have been diametrically different. Instead, he listened to another Voice, and changed forever the face of art. This is not to compare TD to Michelangelo, of course, but to support the ideal that they both aspire to. The expectations are all your own, and will ultimately be satisfied by nothing. And now for_another_history lesson... Some have argued that TD is not the exclusive creation of Edgar Froese, and question the ethics of unilaterally altering the original songs, allegedly 'diminishing' the contributions of the other members. Tangerine Dream was founded by Edgar Froese in 1967. This was two years before Klaus Schulze, four years before Christoph Franke, five years before Peter Baumann, thirteen years before Johannes Schmoelling, nineteen years before Paul Haslinger and twenty-three years before Jerome Froese became _members_of_his_band_. Without Edgar THERE IS NO TANGERINE DREAM! This is not to diminish or minimize the talents or contributions of the above list; as I said in my original post '...it is a collaborative effort with other musicians' within the group, _while_ they're in the group, but the constant and the vision is Edgar.' His decision to rework the band's earlier material is ENTIRELY within his purview! Unless you are privy to information as to who played what synth/sequence, your assertion as regards the ethics and unfairness of Edgar's decisions on the remixed/additional performance material is ludicrous! Since with these tracks, most (in some cases all) of the original song remains, just who's contributions are being minimized? As for the re-performances, again, your argument is flawed. Yes, the song is a new version, and yes, in some cases it has been completely transformed! BUT IN ESSENCE IT IS STILL THE SAME SONG! All that is intangible about any of these songs REMAIN in the new versions! They are merely hidden facets on the same gem, newly revealed. And since these new versions are still recognizable as to their source, again, unless you know who played/composed which section, your statement is wrong. And, no, the various contributors to the original tracks do not have to be consulted in any way as regards their reuse. VERY simply put: what was CREATED by the band, stays WITH the band, to be used BY the band, no matter _WHO_ is in the band. Once you leave ANY collaborative situation that remains an ongoing concern, with EXTREMELY few exceptions (mostly regarding royalties) your input is over! They chose to leave, or were asked to, so why do you think they should have ANY say as to what happens with the GROUPS' efforts? Allow me to elaborate... 1) Live versions of older material, and the lack of whining. I've been to three different shows ('86, '88 and '92), and have spoken to a great number of fans regarding these and other years' shows I (we) have on tape. NOT ONCE have I heard anything REMOTELY like what I've heard regarding the remixes!! And yet, some of the mixes are actually the live versions of these 'sacred classics'! Folks, let me tell you, Edgar (and Chris and Johannes for that matter) sure didn't ask Peter if they could change Stratosfear, Betrayal, Phaedra, Cloudburst Fight, etc..., when they reworked them for the various tours AFTER Peter left! Nor did Edgar, Chris or Paul ask Johannes the 'question', and so on down the list. And you know what? The audiences (including some of you, I hope) LOVED THEM!!! Either that, or the persons responsible for making the fantape(s) added the loud cheering during these pieces! And don't try and say that it's different for 'live' performance versus 'studio' performance. That's a spurious position at best, as a moment's careful thought regarding the nature of this genre, and the general nature of composition will reveal. 2) Chris' own 'Tangents' tendancies. Does anyone on the 'let's bash Edgar' commitee recall the title of Christoph's first post TD release? More to the point, do you remember where_it came from? I'll give you a hint...it wasn't solely original to Chris! It was 'Vermillion Sands', a track from the Europe leg of the '86 Tour. But it was..._altered_! And it was done WITHOUT EDGAR'S OR PAUL'S INPUT! Hmmmmmmmm. And how about his 'Requiem for the Line' from _Babylon 5_, or should I say, 'In Julie's Eyes', which was...er..._borrowed_ from the _Miracle Mile _ soundtrack (and may I add, his name appears nowhere on that CD!) And let's not forget the remix of 'Dolphin Dance' on 'The London Concert', or the excerpts from 'Betrayal' and 'Cloudburst Fight'! Granted, these are only a small number comparatively, but 'a little leaven leavens the whole'. If it is wrong for Edgar to do it, it is JUST as wrong for Chris to do it. Although from what many of you say, Christoph can do no wrong. Hmmmmmmmmm. And please, DO NOT infer from the above that I think any ill of Christoph. No criticism was implied, READ CAREFULLY! 3) Michelangelo's understudies. Back to the Renaissance. Every great artist had in his employ numerous understudies to assist with their work in some fashion. Some of these understudies went on to become masters in their own right (look 'em up, I won't say who!) Michelangelo had hired five men to assist him to paint the Sistine ceiling, and they all worked with him for a time. However, they were all...er..._let go_, and Michelangelo completely erased what they had done and started anew. In it's execution, they were part of a collaborative effort, yet the 'founder' completely recast their 'contributions'. Is the ceiling any less for this fact? I hardly think so. Sure, the assistants' weren't the equal of Michelangelo, but they were talented in their own right. Yet their vision didn't agree with Micelangelo's vision, and it is his vision that mattered. The same holds for TD and Edgar. It is his vision, and no matter who comes and goes, his vision will be served. Moving right along... The confusion about what material can appear on which label compilation is easy to resolve. Virgin owns the publishing rights to the '74-'83 (Virgin Years) material; Castle owns the rights to the '70-'73 (Pink Years) and '84-'87 (Blue Years) material; Windham Hill now owns the rights to the '88-'90 (Melrose Years) material; and Miramar owns the rights to the '92-'95 (Seattle Years) material. The various soundtracks are owned by the respective studios and licensed out to whatever label cares to negotiate for them. Each of the above labels makes a tidy sum off sales of their respective albums, and has no need to license any portion out to others. They have no desire to help their _competitors_ make money, thank you very much! While individual tracks can and do end up on off label, multi-artist collections, you won't find Private issuing a collection with any Castle material, or Miramar doing the 'Virgin/Seattle Years', etc. The sdtk. exceptions on 'Tangents' notwithstanding, as they were licensed from the studios. So unless Edgar starts buying back the rights, we won't be seeing 'Tatort' beside 'Ultima Thule' or 'Dolphin Dance' on the same CD... unless it's a boot (which, by the way, is one reason they exist!) As some of you may recall, thats why the forever rumored compilation video has never surfaced, and why a video of the '90 Europe tour was cancelled: too many companies wanted too much for the publishing rights to the material. Furthermore, TD doesn't need the money! In fact, royalties for compilations are lower than real albums, even though TD's sell _extremely_ well for this genre! Don't forget, they are still consultants with a number of synth manufacturers, so there's not much equipment they actually have to buy. Plus, if Edgar _were_ hard up for cash, he'd just swallow hard and do more sdtk. work! And while I'm at it, just how large a fan base do you suppose TD has? Their largest selling album to date, Dream Mixes, has yet to go Gold (500,000). Their average _major label_ release sells between 75,000 and 125,000 on average! The majority of these purchases are to casual collectors and fickle fans, who wouldn't know 'Ultima Thule' from a hole in the ground. Most fans don't bother with compilations. This list, to which it can be safely assumed that we are all die-hard fans, has slighly less than 400 members. Most of us lurk, and out of the 50 or so 'usual suspects' who regularly post, it seems that a sizeable minority _don't_ purchase everything that's out there. So where do you even get the faintest clue that your 'UberCollection' would outsell _any_ TD release even 1.5/1? Face it, just because you've met a few other people who can all _talk_ as loud in this small little room, with the same desire to own everything out there that you have, doesn't mean that there are teeming masses to do the same! Go to any music retailer, hang out for a while, and get a clue. I know that once again, I'm coming on strong. But such is the depth and breadth of feeling inspired in me by music in general, and this band in particular. Get over it, people; your favorite era/lineup is history, please don't soil it with your angst-ridden diatribes. You only serve to polarize opinion, hardly a worthwhile effort considering it tends to draw attention away from the nature of music...or (most) art. At least that's my VHO. I could be wrong. goozer P.S: For those who don't speak French, the subject header reads 'The more that things change, the more that they remain the same.' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 10:23 am Subject: thanks Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves >Subject: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, timewind [...] Matt, Thanks for the response and MUCH appreciated information about the miramar singles and oasis LD. BTW can I put in a humble request for a re-issue of 'Voices'??! cheers (or as my 19 m/o son says 'shearz') lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 11174 thanks Michael A Jean Tue 2/17/1998 2 KB 11766 thanks Lars R. Jones Sat 3/7/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Mill Valley LoaRT Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...> >>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) 'Love On A Real Train' has been part of four different concert programs, as follows; '83 Polish Tour, '87 Berlin 750th Anniversary Concert, '90 UK Tour, and '92 North American Tour. It may also have been featured in the one-off Mill Valley Film Festival concert of Nov. 15, 1986, I am awaiting a tape of the show to confirm this.<< I attended the Mill Valley Film Festival show and can tell you for SURE that Love on a Real Train was played. The scenes from the movie were projected overhead during the performance. Way Cool!!! It is my strongest memory of the event. Also played was 'Diamond Diary'. Can't remember the rest, but I think some stuff from Legend was also played. TD played for approximately 40 minutes. Although there were several excellent live acts including a rocking band featuring Stuart Copeland, Stanly Clarke, and Adrian Belew, by my estimation, and also by all other accounts of the event, TD stole the show. The band was Froese, Franke, Haslinger in absolutely top form. I asked in the TDIFC question and answer section why the band doesn't perform some of their soundtrack material in concert with the corresponding scenes from the movie projected overhead. It is very powerful this way. The answer was that the band would love to be able to do this, but there is a problem with 'rights'. If a tape of this show exists, and you get a tape of it, I would appreciate it if you would e-mail me privately so that we can arrange a trade. :-) >>Bob<< From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Re Sickening TANGENT-izing Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...> >>Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Ducking for Cover' I'm tired of the fact that there are upteen 'greatest hits' packages for TD--none of which I would recommend to anyone wishing to try the band out for the first time. The fact that all of them are transparent marketing ploys merely to sell product for one particular publisher is what sickens me. A true greatest hits sorta thing would include the tracks that count unaltered, in their original form....Paying $40+ for one new CD is annoying enough, but to have a sampler that is not a sampler because is it a remix fest rather than a real sampler is obnoxious. -- Steven Feldman and << Personally, I have had no problem with Tangents and Dream Roots. I have no interest in 'samplers' but I do have an interest in new interpretations by the artist. I also disagree with the 'Marketing Ploy' characterization of these releases. Personally, I go along with the idea that it was a genuine effort by Edgar to give fans their moneys worth. I feel I got my mine. The real problem that I have is the fact that there are literally hours of material that was performed live by TD that has never been released. And, performed live, some of the older released material is different and sometimes 'better'. I would very much prefer that if TD is mining the vaults that some old concerts be released. I have noted that a number of TD fans on this list are also King Crimson fans, and I would say that what Robert Fripp is doing with with Crimson's older material is EXACTLY what I would wish to see from TD. For those who are not Crimson fans, King Crimson is also a band with many 'eras' dating back to 1968. A 4 CD set of the bands material from one era has already been released. A 4 CD set from another era will be released shortly. A concert which was particularly memorable is in preparation for release later this year. Robert Fripp has requested that fans who possess fan tapes which they think are particularly worthy should send them to his company for copying and return, no questions asked. He will consider this material for release if worthy to his ears. (This even though he has a very strong ethic against fan taping) Fans of King Crimson, of which I am one, are blessed. But I can't help but wish for Edgar to take on a similar project. >>Bob<< From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 11:45 am Subject: New Day (was: Sickening TANGENT-izing) Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...> -snip- > The real problem that I have is ... -snip- Bob. I'd like to elaborate on a point Goozer made so elequently and that deserves repeating but perhaps from another perspective. Edgar has made a point of stating a number of times, both in speech and in print, that he does not listen to his critics or his fans. He considers his self-imposed isolation an integral part of his creative ethic. That's the way it is. There's nothing we can do about it. ** Please Read On ** Personally I'd love to see a chat period each week during which we could submit questions and ideas directly to the Froese family, but that just isn't going to happen. There is a place for these messages at the tadream web site, and though I know it's not very satisfying to be held at arm's length, that's the only channel provided by the Froese family and Tadream Productions. When we submit a post to this list, we should all think about what we write and how it will affect the list. ** The Most Important Thing ** To me, the most important thing is this: is the post I'm about to make a call to action? -- Does it contain something people can do something about? A request for a track list, or a review, or a memory are examples of things that fellow listees can act on. But a statement about what Edgar should do is not something that anyone on this list can do anything about. Lacking any realistic 'action' statement, such a post sounds like simple complaining. And I'm sure that like the rest of us, you don't like to be around people who complain a lot. Such ineffective complaining is damaging this list and driving away new members -- people who come here to get questions answered, to share TD experiences, to be part of the only thing around that passes for a TD international fan club. Please, everyone, be considerate to your fellow list members and think before you post. In the long run we will all be happier and get more accomplished. Thanks for the bandwidth -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 1:21 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream filmography Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-02-24 23:52:55 EST, you write: << Hi everyone, Here's a bit more complete list of movies featuring music by Tangerine Dream. >> Great research. I hope you don't mind if I copy it to my TD (personal) discography file. There is some information here which I have never come across before. Thanks again. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 2:37 pm Subject: D: Tyranny of Beauty Really-From: PhilPDX@a... I'm trying to figure out why I like this disc so much. 4AS, the only Jerome-era TD that I rate above a 3AS. I think it's because the disc has great 'anchor' songs at the beginning, middle and end. Catwalk is the very best TD effort in the last several years, IMO. I just really like the energy of this song. And Stratosfear 1995 is a powerful reworking of the original, though I still love the original, of course. They really each stand on their own merits. And Largo is a beautiful piece, though it is a little flat sounding without a real orchestra. In between there are some nice gems, too. I really like the first 5 tracks a lot. Though it has a new age feel, Blonde in the Park of Attractions is really a great number. The disc does drop off for me a lot after SF1995 - too much of the signature Jerome-era style for me, with the guitars so overly prevalent as in other recent efforts. Again this is all IMO. Phil D. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 9:35 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #846 Really-From: ashok prema > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:14:09 -0500 >Subject: Plus ca change...(HUGE POST-MISS IT AT YOUR PERIL!) > >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >Sincere apologies to those who have seen some of this before, and to those >who will see it again, I'm sure... > >To those of you who find it sport to play 'slag the band' for their current >work...IT IS THE NATURE OF PROGRESSIVE MUSIC TO PROGRESS! HENCE THE NAME!........................... > again, I'm coming on strong. But such is the depth and>breadth of feeling inspired in me by music in general, and this band in>particular. Get over it, people; your favorite era/lineup is history,>please don't soil it with your angst-ridden diatribes. You only serve to >polariz opinion, hardly a worthwhile effort considering it tends to draw >attention away from the nature of music...or (most) art. At least that's my >VHO. I could be wrong. > >goozer > AAHHHHHHH - a man after my own heart!!! Thanks for repeating to the n'th degree my sentiments! Ash > >------------------------------ > >End of tadream-digest V15 #846 >****************************** > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 11:43 pm Subject: A Call to Arms Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' This is a call to arms to those people who do not agree with the following post : > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > To me, the most important thing is this: is the post I'm about to make a > call to action? -- Does it contain something people can do something > about? A request for a track list, or a review, or a memory are > examples of things that fellow listees can act on. But a statement > about what Edgar should do is not something that anyone on this list can > do anything about. Lacking any realistic 'action' statement, such a > post sounds like simple complaining. And I'm sure that like the rest of > us, you don't like to be around people who complain a lot. A Track List - statement of fact Review - opinion Memory - personal experience It appears that what Mark is advocating is a Question and Answer list, where you either ask a question or post an answer. No debate. No discussion. Very little opinion. Very little experience. There appears to be a high level of intolerance on this list, especially just lately. I attribute this to two main factors : 1) Lack of ability to express ourselves adequately. I know that I am often the worst for writing down what I really want to say. Sometimes I can't even think of how to say it, let alone write it. The result is some 'make-do' words which perhaps don't quite meet the exact intention. And I'm one of the lucky ones. The list is discussed (usually) in my native language. It never ceases to amaze me how lucid and well-spoken (well-written?) some of the non-native English speaking members can be. This 'language' barrier (either through writing or native country) can lead to apparent hostility, complaint or 'whinging' when really all that was being offered was OPINION. 2) The list seems to have surged with new members over the last six months or so, resulting in more people either falling into the above categories or being annoyed by those who do. There seems also to be a less tolerant attitude to those who ask 'frequently asked questions'. Comments along the lines of 'Read the FAQ', 'Read Voices ...', and even 'We've discussed this before (years ago)' have appeared in the recent past. The intolerance of others' ideas and opinions seems to be quickly equated with complaining and moaning, almost purely because those opinions don't match their own. > Such ineffective complaining is damaging this list and driving away new > members -- people who come here to get questions answered, to share TD > experiences, to be part of the only thing around that passes for a TD > international fan club. Changing the list to be a Question and Answer session would drive me away from the list! This is a discussion forum (I think - isn't it?) and whilst everyone gains from the exchange of facts, we also gain insight and valuable alternative slants on TD-related items through the (relatively) unmoderated discussions. We need opinions, and discussion, and eventually that WILL give rise to dreams (no pun intended), desires and wishes for the future. Am I not allowed to state that I LIKE Underwater Sunlight more than Encore? That I WISH they would do more in the early-eighties style than the early-nineties? That I ACCEPT that they are artists who do what they want, and therefore I either buy it or leave? > > Please, everyone, be considerate to your fellow list members and think > before you post. In the long run we will all be happier and get more > accomplished. I have given careful consideration to whether I should write this or not. But in the long run, I would not be happier comparing the times of Track X on Album Y on Z label relase with the times of Track X on Album Y on W label release. Do I really care if there's a millisecond drop-out on channel A of song B on album C released by record company D compared with that on record company E? No, I DON'T. But I accept it as valid discussion on this forum. And if the general consensus is that that is what the list should be about, then maybe it'll be a poorer place! > Thanks for the bandwidth -- Mark Ditto. ALL MY OWN OPINION, of course. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1269 Re: A Call to Arms gerryfox Wed 2/26/1997 4 KB 1280 Re: A Call to Arms Mark Filipak Thu 2/27/1997 9 KB 1293 Re: A Call to Arms PNaunton@a... Thu 2/27/1997 2 KB 1320 Re: A Call to Arms PNaunton@a... Fri 2/28/1997 4 KB 1329 Re: A Call to Arms (FYI:minimal TD content) Steve McCready Fri 2/28/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 11:58 pm Subject: Re: sch guys--what about kk?/Rumple. w/o K. Turner Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:16:47 +0100 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > >> Yeah, but let's not talk about how out of sync his drumming on Force >Majeure >> is. Don't get me wrong, every single bit of drumming on Force Majeure is >> great, but it's not in sync with the song. I'm surprised Edgar didn't >move >> the drumbeats around on the Tangents versions... > >Do you know why all those old records, especially FM are such classics. >Because they are *not* in sync. > >Marcel FM in particular introduces the drums as an instrument in their own right into TD's music. The drums don't just maintain the beat and give one or two fancy ba-dom-bom interjections (as is the case, unfortunately, even in other TD recordings after Krieger and, ultimately, TD's long-time rhythm section, Chris Franke, had taken their leave). They add substantial counterpoints to the melody and harmony of the music. They are not even _supposed_ to be in sync. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 8:04 pm Subject: Re: sch guys--what about kk?/Rumple. w/o K. Turner Really-From: feldon@n... At 06:58 PM 2/26/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > >FM in particular introduces the drums as an instrument in their own right >into TD's music. The drums don't just maintain the beat and give one or >two fancy ba-dom-bom interjections (as is the case, unfortunately, even >in other TD recordings after Krieger and, ultimately, TD's long-time >rhythm section, Chris Franke, had taken their leave). They add >substantial counterpoints to the melody and harmony of the music. They >are not even _supposed_ to be in sync. I hope people aren't misunderstanding what I was saying. I can't imagine Force Majeure without drums. If only one TD disc could have drums, Force Majeure is where they belong... I absolutely love the drums on FM. But honestly, isn't there anyone out in the audience who would agree that it soulds like Klaus has fallen behind and is 'catching' up with Edgar and Chris at times? Morgan feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1278 Poor Klaus K... dbrewer@a... Thu 2/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 8:00 pm Subject: Sch... (and other?) Guys II Really-From: ' teiwaz barana' Dreamers Really-From: Vic Rek > Sure we can include Klaus (which is the right last name spelling?) Kr??ger< [snip] >We are almost back to the complete list of artists that had major/minor contributions. Anybody want to vote on including a week for Steve Jolliffe and a week for Michael Hoenig to round it off since these guys have solo albums? < sp-Krieger would most likely be correct. Hoenig, yes. Jolliffe, no. HA! Gee, maybe we should include those that didn't make it to releases--anyone for Nik Turner? Don't know if a week would be sufficient to cover him except perhaps in this TD context. ;-) BTW, I heard that at one time Hawkwind performed some TD material in concert is this true? any idea what material? or was this drug-induced thinking given Nik Turner's short-lived TD presence? --teiwaz --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 10:50 pm Subject: Re: A Call to Arms Really-From: 'gerryfox' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: A Call to Arms I am one of the newer members to the list and have been 'listening' with interest to this new discussion on the merits of various contibutions to the list. I have found all discussions interesting although not agreeing with all of them. No matter what the topic, I have found it to be, in the main, well thought out and in many cases extremely knowledgable in terms of music and the fine detail of the works of TD. A level which would leave me embarassed and I have been following the band from 1973. I for one would not like to see the list fall into a question and answer session. I value the opinions, and the emotions raised in fellow members by the music under discussion. After all what is it that music does for us but affect our emotions. It is good to know that when a piece of music, or art, affects you in a certain way others are sharing that emotion. There have been some very eloquent reviews posted on the list since i've been on it especially on the D: list. As for the 'technical' input eg which track appears where and how often, I for one want to see that continue. Although not a rabid completist - no offense meant - I find these topics interesting as they can prompt me to go and revisit a recording not heard for years. I'm starting to like Tyger for goodness sake ! There is nothing wrong - as Craig said - in wishing for more of a certain style or less of another. That is what helps stimulate discussion and as I wrote above, at quite a high level. I take the digest version of the Kraftwerk list and if that is representative of the rest of it - it doesn't hold a candle to this. The TD list is fine the way it is. I disagree with Mark's final comments. I don't think the list is there to get things done - it's a forum for all fans to air their views and in that respect I disagree with part of Goozer's posting. What he said is perfectly true -what we have is what we have, because Egdar and co have made it that way. But we can still discuss it. I'm guilty of just lurking a lot but I'll throw my two bob's worth in now and again. Thanx for listening Gerry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 11:27 pm Subject: Re: Flamebait: Is RUBYCON......... Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-02-25 11:37:33 EST, you write: << I do like BtS as a whole album. I think it showcases Edgar's core talent as master of the melody. And if I had to pick a favorite track, the answer would be easy: Magic Lantern. For fans of Edgar's guitar playing, this track is worth the price of the whole album! My $0.02 worth... -Erik Sanborn esanborn@B... >> I may be considered a hard ass for saying this, but what the hell! Tracks one through four on 'BtS' are the only ones I listen to. The rest is just so much pap. OK, so maybe I like 'Drunken Mozart' a bit to but that is it! Well, 'The Light Cone' isn't really too bad. *? You know, Edgar probably needs more conflict in his life. He does much better work when the is some competition going on. He gets much too complacent when there is no one else trying to steer the boat. He, he, hee. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 11:26 pm Subject: Re: Checkpoint Charley Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-02-25 22:54:09 EST, Vic writes: << 'Checkpoint Charley' - with Edgar Froese as an actor?? This is german. Froese plays a minor part and can be seen from time to time. Music by Kraan. Unknown year of recording. No TD music. >> Is he smiling? Phil Naunton P.S. I used to like Kraan. Are they or their music still around? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1282 Re: Checkpoint Charley Rainer Rutka Thu 2/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 11:29 pm Subject: Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-02-25 10:49:58 EST, you write: << Everyone else, enjoy the music and leave Edgar's navel alone. -- Mark (it's just music ferchrissake, not high art) >> But, Mark, is it REALLY music. Certainly TD has aspired to high art, and, in several cases I can think of, Made It. 'ToB', 'HoF', & 'L' doesn't aspire to music. They are simply masturbation. The previous, in my, maybe/maybe not, humble opinion, of course. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 11:26 pm Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, tim Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-02-25 08:48:58 EST, you write: << Now, why on earth would a tape have the exact same thing on both sides? Me think it is faulty. Anyone have insight on this SNAFU? C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 >> They do this with lots of kids tapes. They do it because no matter how the kid puts the cassette in the player it plays the right side. My daughter has lots of these, and when she didn't know how to read she was still able to be somewhat independent in what she was doing. It's also cheaper than putting different things on each side, and if it's too long, avoids the problem of having the kid not know how to get back to the beginning. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 11:26 pm Subject: Re: New Day (was: Sickening .......) Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-02-26 07:04:38 EST, Mark writes: << a statement about what Edgar should do is not something that anyone on this list can do anything about. Lacking any realistic 'action' statement, such a post sounds like simple complaining. And I'm sure that like the rest of us, you don't like to be around people who complain a lot. Such ineffective complaining is damaging this list and driving away new members -- people who come here to get questions answered, to share TD experiences, to be part of the only thing around that passes for a TD international fan club. Please, everyone, be considerate to your fellow list members and think before you post. In the long run we will all be happier and get more accomplished. Thanks for the bandwidth -- Mark >> I wholeheartedly disagree. This is akin to everyone commenting on how wonderful the Emperor's New Clothes are. It makes no sense. Everyone has bad days. Everyone makes mistakes. The mistakes and bad days are deserving of discussion in order to get a fuller understanding of the whole of Tangerine Dream. To do otherwise is a mockery of free thought and open speach, not to mention an insult to members of this list. True, a while ago I posted the same kind of comments as Mark has done here, but I have had time to rethink it, thanks to some thoughtful posts by others on this list. Were not talking about The Holy Grail here. God is not going to strike us down if we say that we don't care for 'XYZ?'. I am not posting to Edgar, and have never had the intention of doing so. I am communicating with other people who I respect more than anybody else, in regards to music appreciation: this lists members!! They have much more knowledge and experience with the music of Tangerine Dream than anybody else in the whole world. Maybe more than Edgar's. Well, I doubt that. I have learned more about TD in the last year and a half than I ever thought I needed to know. Every scrap has been pure gold. If I can't say I don't like some random tune by so-and-so here, where can I say it? If I can't say that I haven't liked anything TD did between the years 19XX and 19XZ here, where else can I say it. Where else can a group of extremely competant, knowledgeable, and thoroughly versed people tell me how wrong I really am? Maybe how right I am? This has all really happened. The interesting thing is, that it has all been worth it. Thank you ALL, for your contributions to this list, even you annoying little bastards. Keep up the good work!! Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 12:48 am Subject: Tangerine Dream and Poetry? Really-From: Nigel Merrick Hi All, This is my first post to this list so I hope it comes through okay. It's good to see that there are still so many TD fans out there (I've been into this great band since my late teens, about 18 years I guess). Anyway, I was discussing with a friend the other week the subject of music and the images it conjures up, and took the chance to play her 'Goblins' Club', which she liked. However, there is one piece on that album in particular which brings to my mind a very vivid scene. I asked her if she saw anything, and she did but it was different to me of course. But, it was so vivid that I decided to put it into words... So, here it is. Poetry inspired by 'Elf June and the Midnight Patrol'... Biting cold, boots snap on hardened frost Smoke rising, fighting through chill night air Soldier squints, aching memory recalled Of loved ones lost or far away Marching to the ice-locked beat Red Square, white and glowing Stepping out the slow release Guarding the real killers in the citadel Burnt-out ash flutters to the boot-marked snow Soldier pauses on the corner alone Breath solid in thin air, Soldier makes his turn To return upon the road he's made in the night But his path is blocked by a sight unseen >From the mist Elf June appears before him To lay a hand upon his troubled brow The snow is gone, the cold nothing but a memory A moment only, but the heart is warmed The soul is fuelled and the spark rekindled Truth is truth, lies always lies and Stone walls and wire, human spirit not contain Elf June recedes, her work now is done Soldier sighs, resumes his step to the steppes In the east, dawn reaches her fingers to the clouds And ice falls from the Kremlin walls. Just thought I'd share this with you folks. All the very best to everyone, wherever you are. Nigel Merrick St George, Bermuda nmerrick@i... http://www.inet-images.com/nigandliz/ 'Art is Frozen Zen' - R.H. Blyth Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1295 Re: Tangerine Dream and Poetry? Dave Lane Thu 2/27/1997 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 11:53 pm Subject: Logotypes Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all. To answer in brief the many private inquries: in my haste to post my missive regarding _Logotypes_, I left out one little piece pf critical info... I AM NOT THE ONE WHO 'PRESSED' THIS DISC, NOR AM I THE SOURCE FOR THE TAPE!! I just provided the inlay and booklet art and design. And apparantly, not everyone got this with their discs. Or maybe, someone is providing...er...an additional production run, perhaps? Sorry for the confusion. goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7147 Logotypes Hermes Guzman Thu 9/18/1997 2 KB 7613 Logotypes Hilmar Kraft Thu 10/9/1997 3 KB 11823 Logotypes Armin Theissen Mon 3/9/1998 3 KB 20615 Re: Logotypes Antonio Nunes Sat 1/29/2000 2 KB 33991 Logotypes Morgan Feldon Fri 5/17/2002 3 KB 33993 Re: Logotypes Dennis Nigbur Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 1:15 am Subject: Re: Checkpoint Charley Really-From: Vic Rek At 06:26 PM 2/26/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... ><< 'Checkpoint Charley' - with Edgar Froese as an actor?? > This is german. Froese plays a minor part and can be seen from time to time. > > Music by Kraan. Unknown year of recording. No TD music. > > Is he smiling? I have never seen the video, so I can't tell you. But he may have been smiling if he was one of the people crossing Checkpoint Charley in the right direction? > >Phil Naunton > > P.S. I used to like Kraan. Are they or their music still around? > I don't know their music but I have come across some of their releases on CD. What do they sound like? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 2:00 am Subject: Poor Klaus K... Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: feldon@n... > > I hope people aren't misunderstanding what I was saying. I can't imagine > Force Majeure without drums. If only one TD disc could have drums, Force > Majeure is where they belong... I absolutely love the drums on FM. But > honestly, isn't there anyone out in the audience who would agree that it > soulds like Klaus has fallen behind and is 'catching' up with Edgar and > Chris at times? > Most human musicians have a more 'floating' sense of time keeping than a computer does... Okay, they can't keep time perfectly to 20 decimal places, myself included. I really noticed how 'floating' my drumming is a couple of weeks back when my band recorded a demo of a song. I tried playing with a click track, but ended up fighting it all the way! I never had that kind of trouble playing keyboard, but I guess it's because I don't have to get all of my limbs into it like with drums. So I said, 'screw the click!', and it still turned out rather well without it. So now, I admire Klaus even more, keeping the beat as tight as he did playing with those infernal sequencers! And I've always liked the combo of acoustic drums and electronic instruments on FM and Cyclone. Way to go, Klaus! (I wish he had played on the '92 NA tour like they were originally planning...) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 2:26 am Subject: What is this list about? (was Re: New Day) Really-From: datta@c... (David Datta) I would like to take this moment to say something about this list and some of the reasons it was created. I have never directly said what I hoped would happen on the list before but I think that I should after reading recent postings and (somewhat upset) reactions. This list was created to provide a place for people to discuss Tangerine Dream. It was not created to be a question/answer forum. It was not created to be a voice-box of the band or any record label. The list was created 100% without even attempting to contact Tadream Productions or any other 'official' group. The only 'editorial' rule of the list is that discussions must be linked in some way to the members or music of Tangerine Dream. Discussions are allowed to go off-topic for a time, if they stray too far for too long, I have had to step in and re-direct things a bit. While I don't have the time to read everything that flows through the list, or even to read things every day, I have been reading the list since it was started. I have to say that I am quite pleased with how this list has been running, and the general high caliber of the list membership. If I were to do as suggested and make this list into a question/answer forum, a place for posting information only, it would be implimenting an editorial policy that I have no intention of ever imposing on this list, or any other discussion list I run. The purpose of this list is to provide a forum for discussion, not a totalitarian information exchange. List members have a wide variety of reasons for joining and different expectations of what they should get from this list. Gear-hounds want technical analysis: Was that a PPG sound on blah?; Data-hounds want release details of the nit-pickiest degree: What are the catalog numbers for all the releases of blah?; Opinion seekers want to hear what everyone else thinks about different things: Hey, I really like this, should I buy blah next? I am sure that there are many other reasons. To try and twist the list to be the exclusive forum for a particular type of list member is to try and segment an already pretty small population. It is also important to remember that these are not mutually exclusive interests. This is a relatively low-bandwidth list with a relatively high signal to noise ratio, I think it is not a good idea to mess with something that is working. If this were an extremely high-bandwidth list, it might warrant splitting up, but the fact is, it really isn't working that badly. } Really-From: Mark Filipak } Such ineffective complaining is damaging this list and driving away new } members -- people who come here to get questions answered, to share TD } experiences, to be part of the only thing around that passes for a TD } international fan club. Mark, you assert that 'non-call-to-action' posts about things like I hate tangents, etc. is 'ineffective complaining.' I think you are missing one of the things that is most important in a group discussion. One of the things that I think many list members get from participating in this forum is a better understanding of the other list members. Part of understanding others in involves listening and discussing opinions. If a member makes a statement about how good/bad a process/album/style of composing is, that tells the rest of the group something about the member. If you disagree with what someone says about a style, you may disagree with a later review. Ineffective complaining is a very effective tool for getting to know someone. } Thanks for the bandwidth -- Mark You're welcome. -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1281 Re: What is this list about? (was Re: New Day) Mark Filipak Thu 2/27/1997 4 KB 1318 Re: What is this list about? (was Re: New Day) PNaunton@a... Fri 2/28/1997 2 KB 1352 Re: What is this list about? (was Re: New Day) PhilPDX@a... Sat 3/1/1997 2 KB 1353 Re: What is this list about? (was Re: New Day) PhilPDX@a... Sat 3/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 4:16 am Subject: Re: A Call to Arms Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > This is a call to arms to those people who do not agree > with the following post : > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > To me, the most important thing is this: is the post I'm about to > > make a call to action? -- Does it contain something people can do > > something about? A request for a track list, or a review, or a > > memory are examples of things that fellow listees can act on. But > > a statement about what Edgar should do is not something that anyone > > on this list can do anything about. Lacking any realistic 'action' > > statement, such a post sounds like simple complaining. And I'm > > sure that like the rest of us, you don't like to be around people > > who complain a lot. > > A Track List - statement of fact > Review - opinion > Memory - personal experience > > It appears that what Mark is advocating is a Question and > Answer list, where you either ask a question or post an > answer. No debate. No discussion. Very little opinion. Very > little experience. I'm sorry I didn't list 'debate' in my not-very-comprehensive list. Debate is not only welcome, it is essential. But if the only way to resolve the debate is to convince Edgar of such-and-such, then it is not debate, it's just bitching. > There appears to be a high level of intolerance on this > list, especially just lately. I attribute this to two main > factors : > 1) Lack of ability to express ourselves adequately. I know > that I am often the worst for writing down what I really > want to say. Sometimes I can't even think of how to say it, > let alone write it. The result is some 'make-do' words > which perhaps don't quite meet the exact intention. And I'm > one of the lucky ones. The list is discussed (usually) in > my native language. It never ceases to amaze me how lucid > and well-spoken (well-written?) some of the non-native > English speaking members can be. This 'language' barrier > (either through writing or native country) can lead to > apparent hostility, complaint or 'whinging' when really all > that was being offered was OPINION. > > 2) The list seems to have surged with new members over the > last six months or so, resulting in more people either > falling into the above categories or being annoyed by those > who do. There seems also to be a less tolerant attitude to > those who ask 'frequently asked questions'. Comments along > the lines of 'Read the FAQ', 'Read Voices ...', and even > 'We've discussed this before (years ago)' have appeared in > the recent past. > > The intolerance of others' ideas and opinions seems to be > quickly equated with complaining and moaning, almost purely > because those opinions don't match their own. This is why I posted my opinion that people should use good judgement -- to think before they post. The simple question that should be asked: 'Why am I posting this?' 'What do I expect to happen as a result of posting this?' When someone posts their opinion, it's to promote debate. No-one, myself included, has objected to that. But when someone posts a rant deriding Edgar and his current output of music, what is the point? > > Such ineffective complaining is damaging this list and driving away > > new members -- people who come here to get questions answered, to > > share TD experiences, to be part of the only thing around that > > passes for a TD international fan club. > > Changing the list to be a Question and Answer session would > drive me away from the list! This is a discussion forum (I > think - isn't it?) and whilst everyone gains from the > exchange of facts, we also gain insight and valuable > alternative slants on TD-related items through the > (relatively) unmoderated discussions. Yes it is and should be a discussion forum. I hope that's clear. I'm sorry if I gave you any impression that the list should not promote discussion. But too much on this list does fall into the category of 'ineffective complaining'. Granted that there is a fine line between an opinion and a complaint. I think that line is crossed when an opinion becomes a condemnation or when it becomes advice to Edgar and I'm sick and tired of reading such stuff. I can and do use the delete key, but the reason I care is that this sort of stuff _is_ having a effect on the list in general. I have continued to correspond with several people who have left this list. One of them is a leading e-music musician/producer/label owner. If I told you who it is your hair would stand on end. He thinks this list 'extremely anal' to use his very words. Another person with whom I correspond is a performer and promoter. He thinks this list is a 'bitch club'. Believe me, these are the very type of people we need on the TaDream List and all this incessent complaining and advice to Edgar is driving them away. I belong to other music lists in related genres. I find none of this petty sniping on them. > We need opinions, and discussion, and eventually that WILL > give rise to dreams (no pun intended), desires and wishes > for the future. Am I not allowed to state that I LIKE > Underwater Sunlight more than Encore? That I WISH they > would do more in the early-eighties style than the > early-nineties? That I ACCEPT that they are artists who do > what they want, and therefore I either buy it or leave? I draw the line at accusations that Edgar did 'Tangents' because he is greedy, as has been asserted. I draw the line when a simple statement that a person doesn't like a particular album degenerates into a general rant about how so-and-so is 'ruining' the band. > > Please, everyone, be considerate to your fellow list members and > > think before you post. In the long run we will all be happier and > > get more accomplished. > > I have given careful consideration to whether I should > write this or not. But in the long run, I would not be > happier comparing the times of Track X on Album Y on Z > label relase with the times of Track X on Album Y on W > label release. Some people do care about these things. > Do I really care if there's a millisecond drop-out on > channel A of song B on album C released by record company D > compared with that on record company E? > > No, I DON'T. But I accept it as valid discussion on this > forum. Thank you for acknowledging that these are indeed valid concerns of some list members. > And if the general consensus is that that is what the list > should be about, then maybe it'll be a poorer place! That's part of what the list is about, but obviously it is not all that the list is about or should be about. I just hope that in the future people will think more about what they post and about what their motives are and what effect they have. > > Thanks for the bandwidth -- Mark > Ditto. > > ALL MY OWN OPINION, of course. > > --------------------------------------------- > Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer > GEC-Marconi S3I > Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) > > E-mail : cordrey@m... > cordrey@m... > --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 5:59 am Subject: Re: What is this list about? (was Re: New Day) Really-From: Mark Filipak > datta@c... (David Datta) wrote: > > I would like to take this moment to say something about this list and > some of the reasons it was created. I have never directly said what I > hoped would happen on the list before but I think that I should after > reading recent postings and (somewhat upset) reactions. > > This list was created to provide a place for people to discuss > Tangerine Dream. It was not created to be a question/answer forum. Thank you for your post Dave. And though I know you are not implying it, just for the record, I did _not_ say that the TaDream list should be a 'Question and Answer list' -- those were Craig's words, not mine. That aside, I welcomed Goozer's long posting 'Plus ca change...(HUGE POST-MISS IT AT YOUR PERIL!)' which I was hoping would finally end the 'Sickening TANGENT-izing' thread. But Goozer's post was followed just 7 hours later by Robert Forman's post to that thread in which he lauded Robert Fripp and derided Edgar. Well, I guess I just snapped. With 'New Day (was: Sickening TANGENT-izing)' I tried to present a positive way to give criticism that has worked elsewhere -- specifically the 'action expected' approach where one only critisizes when a remedy can be put into action -- criticism of Edgar's monitary motives or artistic principles being clearly out of bounds as there is no way to 'actualize' or 'make real' or 'fix' the thing or person being critisized -- as Goozer pointed out, we are not going to effect Edgar one way or the other. Well, my post apparently hit some hot bottons and it blew up. I don't take back a word of it and I recommend rereading Goozer's post and mine. But to make it simple, and putting all principles and methods aside, I guess what is essental and what I ask that everybody who is bashing the band and Edgar please stop. No more 'Sickening' threads, please. Regards -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 8:54 am Subject: Re: Checkpoint Charley Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > > In a message dated 97-02-25 22:54:09 EST, Vic writes: > > << 'Checkpoint Charley' - with Edgar Froese as an actor?? > This is german. Froese plays a minor part and can be seen from time to time. > > Music by Kraan. Unknown year of recording. No TD music. > >> > > Is he smiling? > > Phil Naunton > > P.S. I used to like Kraan. Are they or their music still around? YES ! You can get most of the CDs in Germnay. The most famous are 'Flyday', 'Live (DoCD)', 'Wiederhoern', 'Let it out' and many more. If interested, write to rainer@i... for more infos. Mit den besten Gruessen vom Bodensee ! Rainer Rutka --------------------------------------------------------------------- K+R Informationssysteme Konstanz E-Mail : rainer@i... Klimas und Rutka GbR CIS : 100065,2273 Griesseggstrasse 27 D Internet: www.k-r.de (i.A.) Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 D-78462 Konstanz Fax : +49 (0)7531 29879 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'Zentrum fuer objektorientierte Softwareentwicklung und -design' Spezialisten fuer : SMALLTALK, UNIX und Windows/NT - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 4:55 pm Subject: D : Tyrrany of Beauty Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' *** Standard Disclaimer Applies - All My Own Opinion *** I'm trying very hard in this post to restrict myself to the types of comments that all members of the list are going to unoffended by (ahem!). I didn't listen to this album much when it first came out. I wasn't too keen on it, and I think that was the general consensus of the vocal few at the time. My feelings toward the album haven't changed much, although they are perhaps now more easily identified. Catwalk (3AS) - This is a reasonable track, although there are some 'problems' with it (sorry, bits I don't like). The opening choral effect seems unnecessary and the 'Spanish Guitar' solo starts well but seems to quickly run out of steam. I think the track as a whole suffers in my mind since I much prefer the version on Dream Mixes. Listening to this again, it sounds much flatter, weaker. Birdwatcher's Dream (2AS) - I like the opening to this, the first minute or so until the drums start up. I find the beat a little too 'challenging' for me. And then there's a little break, another drum beat section with guitar, a change of drum and guitar again ... Yeah, there's too much chopping and changing in this one. There must be about seven different 'songs' here, all cut and crammed into one track. Which is really unfortuneate because parts of these small tracks are quite good. Little Blond ... (4AS) - I like this one just as much as the DM version. The two versions, I feel, are quite different with this one being much slower and 'relaxing'(?). Yeah, I know there are some pretty big guitars in there in places, but I find the overall effect peaceful and charming. There's still this 'multi-song' happening - more chopped bits that a Scottish butcher's dust-bin. But fr some reason (and this is where my eloquence lets me down) it seems more flowing than other attempts - has more continuity between sections. Living in a ... (3AS) - Quite an uneventful opening, and nothing really strikes me until the guitar solo some way into the track. After that, the sax seems quite interesting too (!). One of TD's occassional 'nice' tracks which moves me neither way. Is this possibly a ToTT out-take? Some of the guitar and drum work sounds very similar to ToTT style. Perhaps written then and recorded later? Stratosfear (1995) (3AS) - The opening to this is great, but the crashing drums and then way-too-loud guitar starts to spoil it. I find it difficult to consider objectively. I always have to compare it to the original and I think it does fall short. It's too fast and some of the subtle effects of the orginal seem to be lost in the rush. Still, the original was a truly great track so this one had a lot to live up to. Bride in Cold Tears (4AS) - This now sounds out of place on ToB. It seems so natural on DM, even without much remixing. It's still a good track, of course, but it desn't seem to fit into the style of the rest of the album (although now I seem to have said that for two tracks so maybe the album has not specific style?). Haze of Fame (1AS) - I'm sorry, but there's something about this track that irritates the heck out of me. Whether its the sax, the repeated guitar toward the end or just the general jumble of percussion and background 'effects', I don't know. Ugh. Tyranny of Beauty (2AS) - Again, this does little for me. I find the guitars too harsh and the whole background too busy and cluttered. Why can't they go back to nice layered Largo (1AS) - Classical music in general does very little for me. (Now I know I'm covering thousands of composers and hundreds of years of work, but I'm comfortable with the generalisation, even if some of you aren't). And this does nothing for me, both musically (i.e I don't like the tune) or instrumentally (i.e. the 'strings' and the sax gets on my wick). Can I give this a 0 mark? So, what does that give me as a total ... 2.55AS. I have no qualms knocking this down to a 2AS because : a) they cheated by picking a classic track which was still pretty good after they tinkered with it b) some of it is really dire and not enough of it (any of it?) is really good c) I'm in a bad mood because of the recent postings. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1287 Re: D : Tyrrany of Beauty Craig R. J. Cordrey Thu 2/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 11:00 am Subject: Would you support a 70's TD today ? Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' Rehi Tadream, I've just recently acquired a new e-mail account. Hello to all Tadream members who know me and to those who don't. I was thinking about TD this morning as I'm sitting listening to one of my all-time faves: Encore. Great album, start to finish, IMO. What I was wondering, though, was; If a band appeared tomorrow who produced a '70s sound like Baumann era TD or Timewind era Klaus Schulze, would there be a big market for it ? Would it be as popular as the first time round, would it sink without trace, or would it, in fact, be /more/ popular ? I would personally be delighted by such a band. What about the other list members ? It seems obvious to me that TD will NEVER be that great again. Grant, hereafter known as :- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1285 Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ? Dennis Nigbur Thu 2/27/1997 4 KB 1290 Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ? Grant Middleton Thu 2/27/1997 3 KB 1297 Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ? sean Thu 2/27/1997 3 KB 1296 Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ? Marcel Engels Thu 2/27/1997 2 KB 1299 Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ? feldon@n... Thu 2/27/1997 2 KB 1301 Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ? Dennis Nigbur Thu 2/27/1997 3 KB 1319 Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ? PNaunton@a... Fri 2/28/1997 3 KB 1330 Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ? Steve McCready Fri 2/28/1997 3 KB 1351 Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ? PhilPDX@a... Sat 3/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 4:26 pm Subject: Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ? Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:00:00 +0000 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > >Rehi Tadream, > >I've just recently acquired a new e-mail account. Hello >to all Tadream members who know me and to those who >don't. > >I was thinking about TD this morning as I'm sitting listening >to one of my all-time faves: Encore. Great album, start to >finish, IMO. > >What I was wondering, though, was; If a band appeared tomorrow >who produced a '70s sound like Baumann era TD or Timewind era >Klaus Schulze, would there be a big market for it ? Would it be >as popular as the first time round, would it sink without trace, >or would it, in fact, be /more/ popular ? > >I would personally be delighted by such a band. What about the >other list members ? > >It seems obvious to me that TD will NEVER be that great again. > >Grant, hereafter known as :- > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > _.^~~~~~\ > Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... > \______/ > /\ /\ >---------------------------------------------------------------------- I think the statement that TD will 'never be that great again' is somewhat invalid. The thing is, if they had decided to go on in their 70s style forever, they would be anything but great, they would just be a fairly poor copy of themselves. I love the 70s and early 80s TD, but I'd find it quite inappropriate to have exactly the same stuff again now. A new group trying to imitate 70s TD would be a group trying to imitate 70s TD, and no more than that. If that group managed to find a distinctive own style that might be somewhat reminiscent of 70s TD, things would be different. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 5:03 pm Subject: Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 03:22:00 -0800 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > >Anyone who believes any of the above should go back to 'The Lamb Lies >Down On Broadway'. Everyone else, enjoy the music and leave Edgar's >navel alone. -- Mark (it's just music ferchrissake, not high art) > Yes Mark, it's exactly what you say: It's music. And music undoubtedly is more than a tool or a lump of food. Whenever an artist creates something, he is implying the notion of a superordinate idea that keeps the work together as a whole; he may want to make an explicit statement; or the situation, his mood, and various other contextual aspects inspire him to create his work in precisely that way and no other. Normally, it seems to be a mixture of both. It is quite obvious from TD history and from various statements by Edgar himself that their music was always trying to adopt the way in which Dali created his surreal paintings and change the form of output from oil on canvas to music. Therefore what TD produce is obviously _music_, but saying that it's _just_ music means treating the whole medium of music, and TD music in particular, unjustly. Jean Michel Jarre once said that the principal task of the musician is to inspire his listener, to evoke moods, feelings, and images in him. This goes just as well for TD music. It has always been more than an accumulation of sounds and notes; it is music with some sort of content. What differentiates us from music-consuming dummies nodding their head to any uninspired random collection of notes, saying 'that's nice' and forgetting about it, then, is that we actually try to make sense of the music, not just in terms of musical structure, running times, instruments and the like, but also in terms of what that music actually tells us personally, what implications it has for our own life. I'd be surprised if TD didn't want their audience to actually _think_ about their music. The thing about ToB is that the first few pieces on the album definitely seem to go into one direction, whereas 'Stratosfear 1994' and the subsequent pieces IMO seem to diffuse into any direction possible (and I don't seem to be the only person on the list who has that impression). My question was not what images precisely they might have tried to evoke, and it certainly was not a criticism in the tradition of 'Why did they do THAT?'. You could rather read it as a curious 'WHY did they do that?'. If the TD mailing list is not the place to discuss interpretations of a particular TD album, then what is?? Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 6:58 pm Subject: Re: D : Tyrrany of Beauty Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > Tyranny of Beauty (2AS) - Again, this does little for me. I > find the guitars too harsh and the whole background too > busy and cluttered. Why can't they go back to nice layered The following line was missed out of my original post : '... oops Caught myself just in time there, I think.' Is this the dreaded 'first character a dor - ignore rest of line' bug/feature with Major-Domo again? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 1:43 pm Subject: Klaus Schulze IS Sequenced! Really-From: Vic Rek Well I just got in my German copy of Klaus Schulze - Are You Sequenced? This is a double CD that I put off for a while until I found it at a 'bargain' price of $36. I don't know why they differentiate (many retailers) which country is was released from. Are there any diferences? Listening to it for the first time last night just brought chills down my spine and pure pleasure to my senses! Don't have time for a lengthy review, but I just want to say once again that this guy is THE MASTER of electronics. The second disc is a techno/ambient excursion with the help of some big named friends (Namlook to name one) that shows that he can create awesome music in any decade, but you can still tell it is KS because of his mastery of 'true electronic emotion'. Don't deny yourself this experience. Note: CDS in Scotland mailed me a multi-page review of various FAX label releases. This is a very nice guide to this label (which is great) and its music. Klaus is of course on the Dark Side of the Moog (I-V) series. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1316 Re: Klaus Schulze IS Sequenced! PNaunton@a... Fri 2/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 12:41 pm Subject: Re: BEYOND THE STORM US & UK: a Difference? Mark Filipak wrote: >> Really-From: Steven Feldman >> What's the difference between the US and UK versions, if any? >> Is BtS on the TDI International label in the UK? >Someone with the US version will have to reply, but I've read somewhere >that it's only 1CD -- can't remember where though and I may be wrong. I'll bet someone saw it in its single-width jewel case and assumed it was only one CD. Does anyone out there have both BOOK OF DREAMS and THE DREAM ROOTS box? Is the former a true subset of the latter, or are there any differences in the tracks they have in common? NP: Tony Williams Lifetime - The Collection --Dave Attachment PIC32439.PCX Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1k Download Attachment PIC26335.PCX Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1k Download From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 2:03 pm Subject: Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ? Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > The thing is, if they had decided to go on in their 70s style > forever, they would be anything but great, they would just be a fairly > poor copy of themselves. I disagree. Your statement seems to imply (at least to me, I could be wrong) that the 70s style had been exhausted. I personally think that the 'ultimate' 70's style analogue album has still to be made, Rubycon notwithstanding. BTW, I think their current sound is 'anything but great'. Many bands are still doing roughly the same thing as they were doing in the 70s (and even the 60s !) and are coming out with fresh-sounding stuff. Aerosmith are one example which springs to mind. > A new > group trying to imitate 70s TD would be a group trying to imitate 70s TD, > and no more than that. I think it's possible to have the 'spirit' of the 70s sound, but still create new textures and music. For instance, Rubycon is quite different from Encore and Stratosfear is quite different from Cyclone. There is still a vast area of unexplored music within the boundaries set by TD et al. I want to hear some of the results of that exploration ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1297 Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ? sean Thu 2/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 2:50 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #845 Really-From: Michael A Jean MISC responses: STEVE: SUre your plan sounds nice, but why write a letter to Mirimar about releases from other record companies? TANGENTS was on Virgin, and DRC was on SEQUEL. Do you really expect record companies to be trading material. ZONING: Chris Franke's music was never EDITED OUT of Zoning! The 1980s version of a film called Zoning DID contain CF music, but the S/T was never released (it contained alot of Vermilion Sands kind of stuff). The latest ZONING movie is completely unrelated to the first one. They just both happen to have TD music. Stratosfear 94/95: The AMP version of TOB has '94, the rest have '95...I think '94 is just a typo...or maybe it was originally called that when it was created for TANGENTS. DESTINATION BERLIN: I have seen it around here for 7.99 US PS: Sorry if my responses are delayed but I haven't been around much ... Mike J From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: What is this list about? Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...> >> But Goozer's post was followed just 7 hours later by Robert Forman's post to that thread in which he lauded Robert Fripp and derided Edgar. Well, I guess I just snapped.<< Point 1: Some of us are not on this list interactively. I, for one, get the list in digest mode. Some of my posts may appear to be 'dated' by the time I get the opportunity to e-mail my remarks. I'm sorry if this is the case, but unless I only lurk on this list, it is my only option. Point 2: Perhaps you were sensitive to the issue, and my posting using the 'sickening TANGENT-izing' thread made my reason for posting the message I sent unclear. Yes, I was lauding Robert Fripp. No I was not deriding Edgar. As a Tangerine Dream fan, one who posses a number of bootlegs and fan tapes, I WISH Edgar would go through the TD archives and release some of the material which has been performed live but has never been officially released. Fripp is doing that with KC, and in a way that I, as a fan, would love to see TD take on. I wish/hope that Froese will do the same. But I have no expectations in that regard. Froese will do what he wants when he wants, and I have no information as to his desire to take on such a project, what the legal roadblocks might be, etc. AS A FAN, with knowledge of the virtual mountain of music (some of it I know to be great) out there, I wish for official release. It is my opinion that the music was meant to be heard, and it's a shame that only those of us with access to the internet/bootlegs/fan tapes are able to hear it. I'm not so sure that Edgar does not agree, and that the TDI label the band has created will be used for just such a project. I HOPE so. Finally: It's not my desire to tell Edgar or the band what it is they 'should' do. I'm on this list and sometimes I communicate my TD opinions and wishes to other fans. They are opinions and wishes, not demands. Sorry if you see things otherwise. >>Bob<< Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1308 Re: What is this list about? Mark Filipak Fri 2/28/1997 7 KB 1313 Re: What is this list about? Rich Maggio Fri 2/28/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 3:06 pm Subject: Re: A Call to Arms Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-02-26 17:58:56 EST, Gerry wrote: << I for one would not like to see the list fall into a question and answer session. I value the opinions, and the emotions raised in fellow members by the music under discussion. >> Well said, sir. And welcome out of lurk. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 3:45 pm Subject: Streethawk (was Re: Flamebait: Is RUBYCON REVISITED Similar to TANGENTS? ;) At 17:58 97·02·24 EST, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > I hope they get to the Bobby Roth flix RAINBOW DRIVE and SINGLE >MAN . . . and STREETHAWK. ;) When I worked in a video store back in '86 we had in stock a tape of _Streethawk_. This tape is just the first episode (the pilot) sans commercials put onto video. One reason why this show bombed is that it was essentially _Knight_Rider_ with a motorcycle instead of a car. We are also treated to a pre 'Murphy Brown' Joe Regalbuto(sp?) playing the techie/geek who designed/built the bike. And this I believe marks the first TV appearance of Robert Beltran (who had a small part as the lead character's murdered partner) who can now be seen as Cmdr. Chakotay on ST: Voyager. Christopher Lloyd also has a part in the pilot as the bad guy who drives a pretty tricked out truck. 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 2:49 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream and Poetry? Atem is pink Poland is blue The Virgin Years have Indeterminate hue (sorry) --Dave Attachment PIC27435.PCX Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1k Download Attachment PIC10988.PCX Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1k Download From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 6:14 pm Subject: Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ? Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > What I was wondering, though, was; If a band appeared tomorrow > who produced a '70s sound like Baumann era TD or Timewind era > Klaus Schulze, would there be a big market for it ? Would it be > as popular as the first time round, would it sink without trace, > or would it, in fact, be /more/ popular ? Absolutely. Look at AirSculpture, Radio Massacre International and Mark Shreeve. They all gone back analogue and have great success with it! Great music can also be conceived with digital equipment though. > It seems obvious to me that TD will NEVER be that great again. That is your own opinion of course, but mine also (have to be carefull with what I say) Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 6:08 pm Subject: Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ? Really-From: sean > I disagree. Your statement seems to imply (at least to me, I could be > wrong) that the 70s style had been exhausted. I personally think that > the 'ultimate' 70's style analogue album has still to be made, > Rubycon notwithstanding. But it won't be made by Tangerine Dream. TD is a band that has always been driven by new technology, new sounds, and the mindset and tastes of its various members as they change over time. It is not their job to be your court musicians. I've said this before. They are artists, doing what they themselves want to do, and trying new things as the old things become boring to them. If analogue is all that you want, then stick to the 70s era. TD has moved on, having said what they wanted to say in that medium. If they were still doing the same thing now that they were in 1976, I never would have started listening to them. If - like Aerosmith - every song they did sounds just like the last one, I would have *stopped* listening to them. I'm no great fan of Turn of the Tides and Tyranny of Beauty, but Dream Mixes and elements of Goblin's Club show that the band continues to experiment and that there's more great music ahead. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'I used to be indecisive, but now I just don't know' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Poor Klaus K... Really-From: dundoc@e... (Dunedin Dept. of Conservation) unsubscribe me >Really-From: dbrewer@a... > > >> Quoted From: feldon@n... >> >> I hope people aren't misunderstanding what I was saying. I can't imagine >> Force Majeure without drums. If only one TD disc could have drums, Force >> Majeure is where they belong... I absolutely love the drums on FM. But >> honestly, isn't there anyone out in the audience who would agree that it >> soulds like Klaus has fallen behind and is 'catching' up with Edgar and >> Chris at times? >> >Most human musicians have a more 'floating' sense of time keeping than a >computer does... Okay, they can't keep time perfectly to 20 decimal places, >myself included. I really noticed how 'floating' my drumming is a couple >of weeks back when my band recorded a demo of a song. I tried playing with >a click track, but ended up fighting it all the way! I never had that >kind of trouble playing keyboard, but I guess it's because I don't have >to get all of my limbs into it like with drums. So I said, 'screw the >click!', and it still turned out rather well without it. >So now, I admire Klaus even more, keeping the beat as tight as he did >playing with those infernal sequencers! And I've always liked the combo of >acoustic drums and electronic instruments on FM and Cyclone. Way to go, >Klaus! (I wish he had played on the '92 NA tour like they were originally >planning...) > > Dave Brewer > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 7:54 pm Subject: Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ? Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:00 AM 2/27/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > >What I was wondering, though, was; If a band appeared tomorrow >who produced a '70s sound like Baumann era TD or Timewind era >Klaus Schulze, would there be a big market for it ? Would it be >as popular as the first time round, would it sink without trace, >or would it, in fact, be /more/ popular ? > >I would personally be delighted by such a band. What about the >other list members ? I would personally buy 20 copies of each CD. Morgan feldon@n... P.S. Maybe I'm blurring your post, but I think that Baumann and Smoelling eras are one category and all this post 1983 stuff is another category... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 7:57 pm Subject: Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_ Really-From: feldon@n... At 12:03 PM 2/27/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur >Jean Michel >Jarre once said that the principal task of the musician is to inspire his >listener, to evoke moods, feelings, and images in him. This goes just as >well for TD music. Edgar has clearly stated that TD has no interest in doing this. Morgan feldon@n...