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Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 12:54
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Subject: Re:
Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready)
On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:20:31 GMT, Maxwell wrote:
>Hey Dream boys and girls of course (if there are any),
>So what's the average age of people subscribed to this list and where
>are most of you from?
Well, I know that this profile thing happened in the not-too-distant
past ... but I also know that there's a lot of 'new' folks on the list
these days...
Anyway, in brief: I'm 26, live in Sacramento, CA, pay the bills by
having more patience with computers & technology than most folks.
Occasionally I think I'd like to get a nice synth and make music, but
always realize that I don't have the time or dedication to be any good
at it.
-Steve
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Subject: Logos 88
Really-From: feldon@n...
I have unbelievably limited MIDI resources and have a $100 keyboard than can
handle 2 tracks of MIDI. With that aside, I am still in the process of
trying to duplicate as much of Logos Blue Part 88 as possible. Anyone who is
interested in the MIDI file, please let me know by private e-mail
(feldon@n...).
Morgan
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Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 7:45
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Subject: Froese and Dali
Really-From: Jeroen Geerts
** High Priority **
Yesterday a Dutch Newspaper had a small article
about our beloved ones. In the article Edgar stated
that he 'moved in' a little while at Dali's place.
Does anyone know about this.
I wondered if Dali might have influenced Froese in his
musical developement ?
If anyone is interested in the article I can translate it.
Ciao
Jeroen Geerts
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Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 10:17
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Subject: Re: Froese and Dali
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 08:45 AM 2/12/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: Jeroen Geerts
>
>** High Priority **
You sure?
>Yesterday a Dutch Newspaper had a small article
>about our beloved ones. In the article Edgar stated
>that he 'moved in' a little while at Dali's place.
All accounts I've heard said that he spent about 6 months learning from Dali.
>Does anyone know about this.
>I wondered if Dali might have influenced Froese in his
>musical developement ?
There's no question in my mind that Dali had a LOT to do with TD's impressions.
Morgan
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Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 11:01
am
Subject: Re: Bands in TD Tradition Revised
Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
>If you are interested in TD-related/influenced material please feel free
to
>check out some of our 'MIND-FLUX' stuff.
>We try to combine our early mid 70's influences like TD, Schulze,
Kraftwerk (to
>name but a few) with hypnotic beat structures.
>Maybe some of you like it. For more information have a look at
>http://www.snafu.de/~borism/mindflux/index.html
Indeed, as someone who owns the Mind~Flux album 'Trancefloor' (and I am not
related to this band in any way) I can HIGHLY recommend their music to TD
fans. I discovered this gem when it got some local airplay in 1995 and it
has been one of my favourite albums of that year. Full of analog synths,
loads of Franke-like sequencers and a very modern trance-like beat. This
album is a very good example of how the ideas of early TD experiments can
be brought forward into the nineties, without arriving at boring techno
music.
If you are familiar with SYNCO and/or Lambert, you already have an idea of
the general sound used also by this band. Add a touch of 'Dream Mixes' -
type of hypnotic beat and you get close to what Mind-Flux is doing.
Definititely an album in the 'Berlin School' tradition of electronic music!
BTW, I ordered my copy of 'Trancefloor' through www.cdeurope.com, so it is
available as import in the US.
To Thomas: Thanks for this wonderful album. It was a nice suprise to see
your posting and that you are here on the tadream list. Good to see that
you have more releases out now, and that you put some sound samples on the
Web. I will make sure to check out your newer releases.
Hilmar
PS: Thomas, you should check your emailer: it is sending some large binary
blurb after every one of your mails, which is annoying.
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Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 11:38
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Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #832
Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones)
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:12:31 -0800
>Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
>> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>- -snip-
>> ... In other words, some folks are content to live in the past, and for
them >> is classic rock radio, with its never-ending doses of ... that annoying
>> Peter Frampton song whose title escapes me at the moment (wait!
>> They're ALL annoying!).
>Hey Scott. I still like 'Frampton Comes Alive'...-- Leasure Suit Mark...
Oooh Baby I love your way
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Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 12:09
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Subject: The Orb
Really-From: John Wilson
Well, I've only heard Toxygene once, and I thought it was The Orb getting
on with what they do best... I don't really like Jarre's music anyway (it
always seems overblown and adolescent to me). I _am_ looking forward to
hearing ``Towards the evening star'' and The Orb's new album
(``Orblivion') whenever they appear.
On a related note, I have been listening to the Orb's live album from a
few years back (``Orb Live/Bro Evil'') and I am convinced I can hear TD
samples in there. I'd have to listen agaihn (carefully!) to tell you where
they were, but I am pretty sure there was the harmonica from ``3am...''
on ``Little Fluffy Clouds'' and then a sequencer pattern from Rubycon or
Stratosfear making an entrance in another track. Anyone else got this one?
John W.
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Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 1:16
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Subject: RE: Froese and Dali
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>Yesterday a Dutch Newspaper had a small article
>about our beloved ones. In the article Edgar stated
>that he 'moved in' a little while at Dali's place.
I've also read that early incarnations of TD played at Dali's 'art
happenings,' which were sort of like performance art without an
audience.
>Does anyone know about this.
>I wondered if Dali might have influenced Froese in his
>musical developement ?
Most definitely. Dali abandoned the conventional tools of art, Froese &
Co. abandoned the conventional tools of music.
>If anyone is interested in the article I can translate it.
Please do.
Scott
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Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 2:11
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Subject:
Really-From: 'Eduardo Nava. 91(84) 16-80-20. Saltillo. Mexico.'
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Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 2:19
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Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield
Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn)
>Really-From: Tony Marshall
>At 02:02 10/02/97 -0600, you wrote:
>>It picked up Tubular Bells (which seems to be a classic),
>>Incantations, and Crisis. Tubular Bells is really good,
>>but my favorite of the 3 has to be Incantations. It was
>>originally released as a 2lp set with 4 songs. To compare it
>>to a TD piece, I would have to say Force Majeure. It
>>is not as raw or 'in-your-face' as FM, but there are electric
>>guitars and some good drumming in there. The only vocals
>>are some choral arrangements - which add a really nice touch.
>Well, just to throw a spanner in the works, my favourite TD album is Force
>Majeure, and just about my least favourite Oldfield one is Incantations! 4
>almost identical tracks = monotony, made worse by the fact that the
>composition itself isn't too hot..
I agree that the studio version of Incantations drags on a bit but I really
like the live version (shortened to 2 tracks/sides) on the album Exposed. In
fact, if I were forced to choose between the two, I would only listen to the
live version.
And as long as we're talking about monotony, this is how I describe the first
three tracks of Klaus Schulze's Audentity. Boring with a capital B. They
probably could've been condensed down to one ~20 minute track. But then
he gives us the fourth track, 'Sebastian Im Traum', which I find absolutely
brilliant. What a strange contrast.
>>Just wanted to see if anyone out there agrees with my
>>assessment or has anything to add for those who are in
>>search of other TD like bands/artists. If there are any
>>fans of Oldfield's, I would be interested in finding out
>>about some of his other CD's. He's got a pile of them out.
>Everyone raves about Songs of Distant Earth, but it's not one of his
>classics IMHO (very Enigma/Deep Forest, which probably explains its
>popularity with newcomers to Oldfield). You must pick up Tubular Bells 2 -
>VERY reminiscent of the original.. Hergest Ridge has the same feel as the
>original TB, but is not quite as good (though the second half of the second
>track is brilliant). For something rather weird, but good, try Amarok.
>Fantastic recording quality - one to show off that hi-fi!
My turn to 'throw a spanner in the works.' 8)
I've been listening to Oldfield since shortly after Tubular Bells was
released. I even had a quadrophonic 8-track copy of it at one time. (Sheesh,
I guess I'm dating myself here!) You are correct that Songs of Distant Earth
has a definite Enigma/Deep Forest feel to it but, having listened to both
Enigma and Deep Forest albums, I get bored with them easily while I continue
to enjoy SoDE. And for the record, I do enjoy Amarok and, if asked to
categorize it, I would place it in the same general grouping as Schmoelling's
White Out (another fave of mine.)
I'm so glad Oldfield got out from under the thumb of Virgin records. The 'pop'
stuff he put out during the latter period of his contract with Virgin was
largely forgettable, IMHO. TBII was a breath of fresh air without simply
being a rehash of the original. I have heard that he has a new album out now
called Voyager, although it does not appear to be distributed here in the US.
Do you have any info on it?
Regards,
Erik Sanborn
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Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 2:23
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Subject: d:3OCH;TOTT;Tyger & TOB
Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones)
****warning, long post*****
(but it's all TD!)
Where has the d:list been since Tangram? I though we were all going to have
some knock-down drag outs about TOTT and Tyger. C'mon guys and gals have at it!
Here are my entries:
d: 3 O'Clock High 1AS
The main reason this cd gets such a crappy AS rating is that so little of
the cd is by TD anyway (tracks 1-5 & 11-20) and the rest is certainly not
like Risky Business where the other tracks are by top rank rock
bands/individuals. It can't even by rated by the track. Of the 15 tracks
by td (of 22 tracks total), tracks 1-4 are between :25 and :55 seconds
each--little more than bridge music if not interesting bridge music; track 5
is a double looped segment from Love on a Real Train. Tracks 11-20 range
between :40 and 2:10 --short even by the seattle years standard track
length! (Of course TD isn't to blame for this but Varese Saraband, at least
that is what I assume; but then again if it weren't for VS I wouldn't have
this great [and that it is] bridge music to look forward too! Thank God I
have a programmable cd player otherwise I never could have reviewed this
album.) For what it's worth, I recently found a used vinyl copy of this
release (I had never seen one previously).
As for the movie itself, well, it is another B-grade flick about a standing
up to the school bully that really isn't worth anymore space on this digest.
If you haven't seen it, it's something to watch once.
The Highlight of this release is the guitar(?) on track 12 'buying paper
like it's going out of style' and track 16 'You'll never believe it' both
of which--should they have been developed into real pieces for a TD release
of this album would be considered true TD classics. And of course the LOART
redux on tracks 5 & 15.
------------------------------------------------
D:TOTT 4AS
This release has gotten some bad PR on the list in the past year. Yet I
find that the more I listen to it the more I like it. At first I was rather
disappointed--owing largely to the disappointing first track 'pictures at an
exhibition' as I was never a fan of Mussorgsky; Impressionist music about
impressionist paintings, yuk!!!!!!!!! I was also off put somewhat by liner
text which says it was excerpted from 'The coachman's tales' 1993 by edgar
froese. Has anyone read this book? Is it really this bad? Look, Edgar no
offense intended, I'm sorry but your literary abilities come no where close
to your musical talents; this is, well, pretty transparent stuff--but that
is totally IMOHO.
When one reads the liner text and listens to Pictures at an exhibition, with
the horse and carriage noises, etc. one gets the idea that this is to be a
'concept' album or a soundtrack to this book. Well, thankfully, that idea
seems to have been nixed after track one. Track two is where the real TOTT
begins (as a rule I skip track one completely).
by the track:
P@A... 1as
nothing more to say! except please don't do it again!
Firetongues, aka 'a tribute to segovia' 5as
this is some really excellent guitar work by Zlatko why-aren't-you-still-
in-TD-or-were-your-guitar-skills-too-much-competition-for-edgar-and-jerome
Perica. This is in fact a classic track from the 'new TD' and one of my
favs. OK before you all burn me for liking this stuff, let me just say
tooooo bad! I love it! I also love the virgin years too! In fact I like
just about all of TD.
this is definitely the best track on the album and one of the best from the
seattle years!
Galley Slave's Horizon 3as
with its relentless beat invoking the roman galley master's rhythmic
pounding, mixed with zlatko's great guitar this is another really good
piece. Unfortunately this drops off after the first 2 minutes and doesn't
pick up until after the 5 minute mark and albeit significanly mutated;
still, ZP's guitar saves the day. With all this talk about edgar and other
guitarists, some of you true guitar connoisseurs will probably upbraid me
about my appreciation of ZP but I have to say that I judge 'good' guitar by
its emotive effects; that is, how it engages me. If it succeeds in engaging
me then I say it's good guitar; if not, it gets the 'pollice verso' (thumbs
down). I absolutely agree with Edgar that the guitar is a most emotive
instrument.
Death of a Nightingale 3as
this is a slow, dreamy piece with linda spa sax. it isn't too bad but
doesn't do a whole lot for me. it sounds a little rockoon-220VL-ish.
Twilight Brigade 3as
Again, it starts a little rockoon-220VL-ish. I can see why some of you
melrose/seattle-years detractors don't like this cd. still I think there is
some good guitar work here. I see this as the companion piece to DOAN
except that ZP gets to carry the piece with his albeit sparing guitar
whereas in DOAN Linda's sax 'carried' the piece. With 9:45 I expect a lot
but things don't begin to happen until about 5:50 into the track--this is
when it gets good; sadly, however, it is not enough to really save this
piece from 'mediocrity with sequins' In the end I have real mixed feelings,
some of this track is definitely 4as but much of it is just 3as.
Jungle journey 3as
a decent track but definitely saved by the guitars! this time it is EF and
JF in the lead and zp on rhythm. still not enough development for me and a
little too repeititititious
Midwinter night 3as
She's back! I must say that I do think Linda does a good job on the sax but
it all starts to sound the same after a while.... still, all in all, not a
bad track. I guess this is the requisite 'love song' of the melrose &
seattle years (some of you will, of course, say 'the requisite Kenny g tune
tott 4as
the title track; the 3rd longest on the cd so I should be able to expect
something more, right? well, only partly so. it starts ok, we get ZP's
guitar and the promise of a great track but then around 5:00, we shift in
sax gear. At least it is only a segue to the vocal part which I really do
like and which is a great 'closer' for this album.
cd-5 bonus track:
story of the brave 3as
I have mixed feelings about this. I know some of you really love it but it
doesn't seem to grab me in the way that the other tracks do.
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D: Tyger 4AS
This cd really got me re-interested in history, literature and art. When I
put it on, I was totally floored. I didn't know what to think, I mean, the
cover said this was TD! But then I realized it wasn't so bad, in fact, it
was kind of good. I started to listen to the lyrics figuring I could
understand something about Edgar & co. by understanding what they selected
and how they presented it. I got some books on William Blake and read up on
him. I really liked some of his stuff (although some was really out there).
I discovered he was a self-styled mystic and 'prophet' (of course what the
history books don't say is that he is but a late one in a very long
tradition of christian mystics). He is really quite an interesting person
and worth reading about; this sheds much more light on the imagery and
symbolism in his work, like what he means by 'the lion and the wolf shall
cease'. If you haven't read anymore of his work beside what is on the tyger
liner notes, go to your local library and get some! Eventually, I'd have to
say that this release may have one of a number of things that sent me along
my current direction in life (seeking a ph.d in art history).
when reviewing tyger, it is somewhat hard to separate the music from the
words. That is, the music is, on one hand, really only background for the
Jocelyn Smith's reading of the poetry. In that way, the music is to a large
degree unremarkable (what I mean, is take away the lyrics and just listen to
the music). On the other hand, there are those purely instrumental sections
(the last half of london and all of AOTH) which are, I believe, impressions
of blake's poetry and so very much in that vein. the lyrics really take
center stage when they appear. But since we are ranking TD here and not WB
that is confusing the matter. My rating is based on the cohesiveness of the
final product: TD's choice of lyrics, the music supporting them, the
instrumental sections and Jocelyn's recitation/reading/performance/singing
of them. A question, is this the album where the harpsichord sample makes
its first appearance in td? or at least first significant appearance?
reviewing this album alongside TOTT and TOB was a real trip, you can really
here the difference in sound quality, development etc..... as much as I
like this album, I must admit that it is one that does not receive a lot of
airplay on my stereo. perhaps I should rethink that decision.
tyger 4as
I love this track although, I think more for the lyrics than the music.
london 4as
this is a really great track, in both lyrics and the end instrumental section.
the lyrics of this track are cut together, if memory serves me correctly,
from at least 4 different poems and heavily edited to boot. I love the
liminal or frame-breaking reference to the external reader: 'children of a
future age / reading this indignant page / know that, in a former time, /
love sweet love was thought a crime' it just reaches out of the text/cd and
grabs the listener. after this is the extended bridge and then the cut from
'america.' 'The Fly' is my all-time favorite blake poem and makes a great
quote for all of us: 'Am not I / A fly like thee? / Or art not thou / A man
like me?' the closing music section contains some good guitar work and is
quite good as a piece by itself.
alchemy of the heart 3as
the only really pure music track on the album (not counting the cd bonus
tracks). my feelings are mixed about it. clearly it is an impression of
blake and so ranges, like london, over quite a bit of material but does so
not always coherently. Paul's piano makes a fine ending
smile 4as
another great mix of blake and td; this is real ambivalent poem but I don't
think TD's music captures that aspect/sense of the words (although the music
is quite good); for example, look at the first stanza: a smile of love and
deceit and a smile where these two smiles meet--one must be male and one
female (given the misogynist tone of the literature and culture of this
period, I would guess that deceit refers to the female) and when they meet
(a kiss, love, embrace), one comes in love and the other in deceit. finally
my question to you all is this: to which smile is blake referring in the
last 6 lines? birth?, death? or ??? anyone care to speculate?
bonus tracks:
21st century common man part 1 3as
not much to say, it really doesn't (IMOHO) go with the tone and feel of the
album; but, taken by itself, really is a good track. I'm not sure whether
the division of this track into 2 parts was accidental or whether it was
intended to be one track (as DRC would suggest). Part 2 sounds distinctly
different from part I as if it really were intended to be a separate track
(and the guitar work here is really appreciated) did jerome have something
to do with these tracks? or am I think of the canyon dreams bonus?
vigour 3as
Like 21st century common man, this track really doesn't seem to have
anything to do with the concept of 'tyger' and/or william blake. it really
stands alone as a separate piece. It is not bad but nothing spectacular.
Still I'm glad they released these tracks rather than locking them up in
some lawyer's vault in london. (since I don't have the original of this, I
used that on DRC where one can really hear an amazing difference in
engineering/production qualities)
These bonus tracks sound so different I want to think they are from some
'lost' / never executed td album that was in the works soon after Tyger's
conclusion (soon enough to appear on the cds)
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D: TOB 3AS
Well, this is the release that sees the replacement of ZP with Gerald
Gradwool and Mark Hornby. Why have just one guitarist when two can do the
same thing with less competition for top booking? Would someone please give
us the inside story on ZP's departure? there has been a lot of speculation
on this list but what do we really know? is it 'artistic differences' (eg:
a cat fight) or something else? Parts of this album seem like they have
such great potential and other parts really sound great but why then does it
seem so unremarkable to me after it has stopped playing? Some TD tracks and
albums just live on forever in my mind--even after the 'real' music has
stopped: but not so with TOB. In many ways for me it is 'that cd with
stratosfear 95 on it' Like I mentioned before, this is the 'mountain peaks
above the clouds' phenomenon: great bits shining through some mediocrity
Catwalk 3as
at 7:21 this should be more developed but alas. it is not. The best part
starts with the tension change at 3:30 and with the entry of GG's acoustic
guitar. This is when this track gets good. I must say that I do like GG
and MH but I wish they had more 'presence' it seems like they are in someway
subordinate to master jerome. This track comes close to having the
potential to be a 4as but never comes close to being a 4as (does that make
sense?)
BWD 3as
This starts out with promise and is one of the better tracks on the album;
at 3:50 it starts to remind me of firetongues but can't really come close to
it. Still, I love the guitar. eventually it settles in to a
repeititititititious
pattern and I get bored.
LBITPOA 3as
The title is a little off-putting; I don't know why but it just is. The sax
is well the sax until the guitars come in after 2:00 and again after 4:00
(OK, I confess, I'm a guitar man but I also think the sax is great, I just
don't think it is being used to its full potential here)
LIAFP 2as
reminds me of a tott recycle; some sax work and some decent guitar work; not
much to say except that it is umm, uh, well, it is
Stratosfear 95 5as
undoubtedly the best track on the cd! And, in my mind, even better than the
original (silence you hecklers!). Jerome, please redo cloudburst flight and
Quichotte part 2! I love this track and it is definitely one of if not the
best seattle years' track!
BICT 3as
not much to say, some good guitar but not enough
HOF 2as
nothing special imoho
TOB 3as
this starts as another ho-hum filler piece but then at 3:00 this great
guitar shoots through the haze and rips open the clouds. suddenly I'm
awake, wow where did this come from? please don't stop! 4:30 damn! you stopped
largo 2as
a cover of handel; damn; after P@A... on TOTT, I hoped I would never see
another 'classical' tune redo but here it is. damn. oh well. at least here
if fills in that requisite 'love song' closer; still it just doesn't tweek
those tear glands the way ghazal and dreamtime do ...
cd-5 bonus track:
quasar 4as.
this is, in my mind, a gem of a little track and it is too bad this promo
single cd is so hard to find. Quasar is, in my mind one of the top tracks
on the album.
that's it, sorry for the long post!
lars
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Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 2:28
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Subject: Re: Edgar's birthplace
Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn)
>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>This thread surfaced a couple weeks ago, but I finally got some
>clarification on it. Ed was born in a town called Tilsit, East Prussia.
>When the Soviet Union defeated the Germans in east Europe in WWII, they
>took over a wedge-shaped hunk of land on the southern border of
>Lithuania, between Poland and Lithuania, and called it part of Russia.
>It's still technically a part of Russia, and ethnic Russians are the
>dominant group there, but it's part of an ongoing dispute between
>Lithuania and Russia. The current name of Tilsit is Sovetsk, or at least
>it was in 1993. This information comes courtesy of one of my student
>assistants, who is a Lithuanian national.
Not wanting to beat a dead horse but...
Is (or was) this wedge-shaped hunk of land referred to as Staliningrad Oblast
(not Stalingrad)? I seem to recall seeing that name on an old map and
wondering why this chunk of what appeared to be Russia was not attached to
the rest of the country.
Just curious.
Erik Sanborn
esanborn@B...
From:
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Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 4:06
pm
Subject: RE: pushing the hot buttons
Really-From: dalane@b... (Dave Lane)
'Plumer, Scott' wrote:
> >I must offer a dissenting opinion. In the time I have been on the list,
> >I can't help but think that TD has one of the most remarkably fickle fan
> >bases anywhere, BECAUSE they keep experimenting.
>
> Well, we've covered this before, but I sincerely believe that the people
> who moan for the old days are the same folks who still wear leisure
> suits and disco pants.
If wanting TD to be a band that didn't simply play back midi
files while a hired Eddie Van Halen clone makes arena-rock
squealy guitar noises, then count me in as one of those people
who 'moan for the old days', but I have never worn a leisure suit
or disco pants and I don't think that anyone else who listened to
TD back then did either. Last time I checked the 70's part of the TD
discography, there was nothing remotely resembling disco in it. As
for the 90's, I can't say for certain, because after the very
disappointing Lily On The Beach, I gave up buying TD albums unheard,
and have since only picked up 200 Volt, Tangents and Book Of Dreams.
> In other words, some folks are content to live in
> the past, and for them is classic rock radio, with its never-ending
> doses of Stairway to Heaven, Freebird and that annoying Peter Frampton
> song whose title escapes me at the moment (wait! They're ALL annoying!).
Baloney. I'd bet that 99% of the people who listen to '70-'88 TD don't
like any of the above crap. I know I don't. I'm also not content
to swallow trite instrumental pop just because it has the TD brand
name on it. There's too much other good stuff out there.
--Dave
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Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 5:12
pm
Subject: Re: d:3OCH;TOTT;Tyger & TOB
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones)
>D:TOTT 4AS
>P@A... 1as
>Firetongues, aka 'a tribute to segovia' 5as
>Galley Slave's Horizon 3as
>Death of a Nightingale 3as
>Twilight Brigade 3as
>Jungle journey 3as
>Midwinter night 3as
>tott 4as
>story of the brave 3as
Lars, I'm afraid you've got some explaining to do. According to your final
ranking, Turn of the Tides gets a full 4AS. However, upon averaging your
individual song scores, I returned a result of 3.11111111, which barely makes
the 3+ register. So I'm a tad confused. Was it something about the packaging
that gave it that extra bump (although you did mention that you weren't
particularly fond of Edgar's 'book' excerpt)? Perhaps a picture of Linda
clouded your rational thought processes? Maybe those sax songs touched you more
than you'd care to admit? Or were you simply grading on a curve?
With tongue in cheek,
B. Kirby
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 5:15
pm
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #832
Really-From: Michael A Jean
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 6:06
pm
Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again
Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> Really-From: dalane@b... (Dave Lane)
>
> If wanting TD to be a band that didn't simply play back midi
> files while a hired Eddie Van Halen clone makes arena-rock
> squealy guitar noises, then count me in as one of those people
> who 'moan for the old days', but I have never worn a leisure suit
> or disco pants and I don't think that anyone else who listened to
> TD back then did either. Last time I checked the 70's part of the TD
> discography, there was nothing remotely resembling disco in it. As
> for the 90's, I can't say for certain, because after the very
> disappointing Lily On The Beach, I gave up buying TD albums unheard,
> and have since only picked up 200 Volt, Tangents and Book Of Dreams.
Dave, my man, I totally agree with you. I stopped buying new TD after
Optical
Race. Did buy 220 Volt/Three Phase, but other than that, I dislike new TD.
Someone mentioned that he likes Stratosfear '95 better then the original,
man what is he thinking of.
> > In other words, some folks are content to live in
> > the past, and for them is classic rock radio, with its never-ending
> > doses of Stairway to Heaven, Freebird and that annoying Peter Frampton
> > song whose title escapes me at the moment (wait! They're ALL
annoying!).
>
> Baloney. I'd bet that 99% of the people who listen to '70-'88 TD don't
> like any of the above crap. I know I don't. I'm also not content
> to swallow trite instrumental pop just because it has the TD brand
> name on it. There's too much other good stuff out there.
Pure nonsense about Classic rock radio, I don't possess any of that music.
As mentioned before in the list, try something from the up 'n' coming
bands (mindflux, FSOL, Waveshape, FSP (i have to promote myself)).
You'll find some gems there!
Marcel Engels
fsp@p...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 6:17
pm
Subject: Re:
Pete Isaacson, 32. Born Southfield, Michigan (Kervorkian Country) Parental
Units had sense enough to locate to Left Coast ~23 mi SE of LA in Hacienda
Heights.
I work Graveyard shift making Gallium Arsenide Solar Cells while studying
Art at a local college and preparing a entry Portfolio for Art Center,
Pasadena so I can hack Product Design.
I got bitten by the TD bug in Spring/Summer of '81
Green Desert:TD's great 'lost' album. A haiku.
Wow. Oh Wow. GD.
Edgar guitar, Chris drum.
Just turn down the lights.
/^\
| pete
| penfold@a...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 6:28
pm
Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield
Really-From: Dave Manning <106546.1474@c...>
Voyager is Mikes attempt at Celtic rock ... sort of Clannad ... its nice
and clever but really doesn't strike me as another great.... Songs from...
is great, it can be played quietly while I'm working and is gentle,
comforting and a good theme thoughout then play it loud the tracks really
stand out ... lots of emotion ... its one of my favs
others
The lamb _ Genesis
Secret World Live - P Gabriel
Strange Angels - L Anderson
Suzanne Vega - 1st album
TB II
Voice Vangelis
Nude - Camel
The Wall
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 8:11
pm
Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again
Really-From: feldon@n...
>Dave, my man, I totally agree with you. I stopped buying new TD after
>Optical
>Race. Did buy 220 Volt/Three Phase, but other than that, I dislike new TD.
>Someone mentioned that he likes Stratosfear '95 better then the original,
>man what is he thinking of.
Me neither...
>Marcel Engels
>fsp@p...
>
Morgan
feldon@n...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 8:11
pm
Subject: Re: d:3OCH;TOTT;Tyger & TOB
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 09:23 AM 2/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones)
>
>
>****warning, long post*****
>(but it's all TD!)
>
>Where has the d:list been since Tangram? I though we were all going to have
>some knock-down drag outs about TOTT and Tyger. C'mon guys and gals have
at it!
>
>Here are my entries:
(snip!)
>D: Tyger 4AS
>
>This cd really got me re-interested in history, literature and art. When I
>put it on, I was totally floored. I didn't know what to think, I mean, the
>cover said this was TD! But then I realized it wasn't so bad, in fact, it
>tyger 4as
>I love this track although, I think more for the lyrics than the music.
I am surprised that you didn't mention Tyger (jungle mystery song) from
Dream Roots Collection. After listening to it, I realized that Tyger 87 just
doesn't marry Jocelyn to the music, but the new Jungle Mystery version is
great. I have dropped Tyger from 4as to 3as and put the alt. Tyger at 5as.
My only complaint about it is they really over-do the chorus effect at the
end with somewhere in the order of 4 or 5 overdubs of Jocelyn on top of
eachother...
>Tyranny of Beauty:
>cd-5 bonus track:
>quasar 4as.
>this is, in my mind, a gem of a little track and it is too bad this promo
>single cd is so hard to find. Quasar is, in my mind one of the top tracks
>on the album.
Where on earth can you get this?
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 8:11
pm
Subject: RE: pushing the hot buttons
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 11:06 AM 2/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: dalane@b... (Dave Lane)
>
>
>'Plumer, Scott' wrote:
>
>> >I must offer a dissenting opinion. In the time I have been on the list,
>> >I can't help but think that TD has one of the most remarkably fickle fan
>> >bases anywhere, BECAUSE they keep experimenting.
>>
>> Well, we've covered this before, but I sincerely believe that the people
>> who moan for the old days are the same folks who still wear leisure
>> suits and disco pants.
Frankly... (ego/superego kicks and shuts my sarcasm up---after all, I was 6
years old when Logos came out)
>If wanting TD to be a band that didn't simply play back midi
>files while a hired Eddie Van Halen clone makes arena-rock
>squealy guitar noises, then count me in as one of those people
>who 'moan for the old days',
(a red Applause light is flashing on my screen...)
>but I have never worn a leisure suit
>or disco pants and I don't think that anyone else who listened to
>TD back then did either. Last time I checked the 70's part of the TD
>discography, there was nothing remotely resembling disco in it. As
>for the 90's, I can't say for certain, because after the very
>disappointing Lily On The Beach,
Disappointing is a mild word to describe it.
>I gave up buying TD albums unheard,
>and have since only picked up 200 Volt, Tangents and Book Of Dreams.
In my very humble opinion, the melrose years were a total disappointment.
I have heard better MOD and MIDI files. I do appreciate 220 Volt, TOTT, Tangents
(more than some people do!) and Book of Dreams (for making Electronic
Meditation listenable among other things...)
And yes, I agree with you that there's a big difference between dragging a
Moog on stage and making it up as you go along as opposed to pressing play
on the computer and if Edgar is in the mood, he plays on top of it. One of
the things about Logos, Stratosphear, Encore, and Force Majeure (my four
favorite CDs) is that there was that element that, hey, the audience will
know if were not being serious and if we want to deviate from what we're
playing on an inspiration, they can. Yeah, it leads to occasional playback
mess-ups (most noticably around 43 1/2 min on Logos when the low vocal sound
loop keeps playing for too long), but so what...
I have listened to some of the songs mentioned, Beatles Freebird, etc. and I
only say that listening to them only makes me want more late 70's early 80's
(except White Eagle!) TD... (BTW> My entire collection of CDs is 35 TD CDs
and the X-Files theme CD...)
Morgan
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 3:56
am
Subject: Still more smut...
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi all,
>As far as I can remember, the Ginger Lynn tape was called 'Ginger's
>Greatest' or something like that, but the other one is beyond recall.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wow! Isn't this a Klaus Schultze disc? Aw naw! Please tell me Klaus isn't
making blue movies! That's a horrible thought!
>It's been years since I saw them and somehow the TD tracks are the
>only thing I can remember from the movies :) As for countries and
>dates, I'd guess they were made in the US sometime in mid-80s; after
>all, 'Risky Business' was released in 1983.
I don't have this album - too much none TD and most of those tracks
featured turn up on Tangram anyway - but isn't one of the titles something
like 'Get off the babysitter...'. Now that's a cool title. I remember going
to a Moog synthesiser demo years ago where the demonstrator played a
composition entitled 'Richard, don't lock me out' or 'Don't shut the door
on me dick...'. Funny the sort of things that stick in your head isn't it?
Anyway, Ginger Lynn is still going strong too : churning out more dodgy
material than Edgar Froese these days.
Cheers
David
P.S. Here's some profile information : 35 next month, software development
engineer with Caterpillar, electronic musician for fifteen years. Into TD
for fourteen years. Still trying to be a groovy dude despite expanding
waistline and receding hairline. Is it possible?
np: 'Enigma' 'Le Roi est Mort...Vive Le Roi!'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 3:56
am
Subject: Wannabees
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi all, (again)
>I agree with this as well guys. I have all 4 john dyson disk, quiet
>point, glen lyod jones, air sculpture, and quiet point? Isn't paul ward
>in quiet point, because I think I remember something about that. Or
>maybe he is quiet point. It's all happening electronic music for sure.
Paul Ward and Niel Thompson were 'Quiet Point' although they split some
years ago. Paul has released two solo albums, 'For a Knave' and 'The Fear
of Make Believe' which are on the Surreal-to-Real label. Check out
http://www.netlink.co.uk/~surreal
for sound bytes and more information. Niel did re-appear on 'Fear' with a
writing credit for 'silly kind of secret'. Paul's music is very much Prog
Rock in the Camel/Steve Hacket vein. Paul is a nice bloke who also works as
a journalist.
Scott, did you manage to get a copy of our disc?
Cheers
David
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tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: TYGER with Vigour & TYRANNY of B with Quasar
Really-From: Steven Feldman
How do, all,
Does anyone here have any leads on where I could procure copies of
the TYGER Relativity CD (the one with 'Vigour' on it) and the TYRANNY OF
BEAUTY [UK] AMP CD (the one with 'Quasar' on it)? Used from someone on
this list or new from some mail-order or website would both be okay, as
long as the CD(s) is/are in VG+ cond. or better.
Also, lemme sneak in a non-TD request for a CD called FROM HERE TO
ETERNITY . . . AND BACK AGAIN by Giorgio Moroder. Any of these around?
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty.
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984.
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From:
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Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 10:34
pm
Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again -Reply
Really-From: florin epure
>Dave, my man, I totally agree with you. I stopped buying new TD after
>Optical
>Race. Did buy 220 Volt/Three Phase, but other than that, I dislike new
TD.
>Someone mentioned that he likes Stratosfear '95 better then the
original,
>man what is he thinking of.
Sorry, I have to add myself to the list of people who don't like
Stratosphear'95 - the rhytm is accelerated from the original version and
Jerome's drums destroys all the original Stratosphear'76 feeling.
It's a bad piece.
Florin.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 6:55
am
Subject: Re: Bands In the Tangerine Dream Tradition
Really-From: Jeff Kortsch
> I like them also. For anyone in the U.S., you can order through Windspell
> 1-800-597-WIND. Try to find their first, Sigma, it's also very good. I was a
> little disappointed in their latest, Wellenformen. But it seems I read that
> the material was actually recorded prior to Sigma (making it their first) but
> I might be wrong about that.
Wellenformen I believe is Waveshape's first CD.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 6:04
am
Subject: D: Turn Of The Tides
Really-From: Boneheads1@a...
I read the story and I want to dream. I want to take a journey. The
contradictions and absurdities enable the letting go like African and
American Indian stories I have read.
I am swallowed by the thunderstorm, entranced by the orchestra and carried
away by the carriage horses. By the time the energy picks up I am already
seeing visions, dancing the native dance. The overture inflames my chariot,
launching me into the album.
Galley Slave's Horizon belongs on the wall of a museum. It is a movie. The
propelling energy of Firetongues is replaced with the swelling of ocean
waves, the sky, the bubbling phosphors swirling around each oar, overlaid
with a pathetic scene of human struggle and agony, the weariness of the
slaves, the resignation of toil, the sunset, the night, the dawn.
After all this we witness the sacrifice of the beautiful key to our dreams
performed without malice, just respect.
Next comes the inquisition, the separation of soul and animal. This is
deeply introspective and full of determination. The defense is outnumbered
and outflanked. The process infuses and lightens.
As the savage journey begins we launch into darkness with relentless focus.
The resistance and the impetus grow. I attack frantic scenery and leave a
swirling wake.
I rest, overlooking a meadow on a dark, clear night. Somehow everything
knows that this is a magical time of peace and renewal. The past and future
have been released.
I have arrived in a busy place, a civilized place, yet these images seem to
reveal only part of the reality. There is an air of celebration. With a
swirl of self-inversion these images slip away. The ancients call.
Tim
From:
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Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 5:41
am
Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again
Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
> Race. Did buy 220 Volt/Three Phase, but other than that, I dislike new TD.
> Someone mentioned that he likes Stratosfear '95 better then the original,
> man what is he thinking of.
I think every version of 'Stratosfear' that they did after the original
is superior to it. True, I wish that Strato '95 had been
longer and contained more of the original's structure, but the original
'Stratosfear'? Pfah, one of the most blandly repetitive,
uninspired pieces in the entire TD canon. Whatever Lars was thinking of,
well, I guess I was thinking something similar.
And I don't mind saying that you came off as being pretty snobbish there,
Marcel.
> > Baloney. I'd bet that 99% of the people who listen to '70-'88 TD don't
> > like any of the above crap. I know I don't. I'm also not content
> > to swallow trite instrumental pop just because it has the TD brand
> > name on it. There's too much other good stuff out there.
>
> Pure nonsense about Classic rock radio, I don't possess any of that music.
Neither do I. That doesn't stop me from liking whatever TD I like, be it
_Rubycon_ or _Melrose_. If *I* think it has something musically
redeeming about it, then I will have no trouble saying 'I LIKE IT' no
matter where or when it's from. And even trite instrumental pop runs a
certain gamut. (I know this because I play a lot of it on a regular basis.)
> As mentioned before in the list, try something from the up 'n' coming
> bands (mindflux, FSOL, Waveshape, FSP (i have to promote myself)).
> You'll find some gems there!
This may be true...but it doesn't mean some of us can't also like recent TD.
As always, there's just no accounting for taste, is there?
> Marcel Engels
Gabe
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From:
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Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 9:49
am
Subject: TD tour Europe: more tour dates announced!
Really-From: Matheu Swartjes
Latest information on the Europe tour (info from
http://www.netstore.de/tadream).
Seems they like a tight schedule!
Wed, 04/09/97 Vienna TBA
Thu, 04/10/97 Leipzig/Dresden TBA
Fri, 04/11/97 Bonn Beethovenhalle
Sat, 04/12/97 München Circus Krone
Sun, 04/13/97 Nürnberg/Erlangen Stadthalle Erlangen
Tue, 04/15/97 Hamburg Musikhalle
Wed, 04/16/97 Berlin Hochschule der Kuenste (HdK)
Thu, 04/17/97 Hannover Music Hall
Fri, 04/18/97 Neu-Isenburg Hugenottenhalle
Sat, 04/19/97 Brussels TBA
Sun, 04/20/97 Amsterdam TBA
Tue, 04/22/97 Budapest TBA
Wed, 04/23/97 Zabrze (Poland) TBA
Thu, 04/24/97 Prague TBA
Fri, 04/25/97 Linz TBA
Sat, 04/26/97 Ljubljana (Slovenia) TBA
Mon, 04/28/97 Italy TBA
Tue, 04/29/97 Italy TBA
Wed, 04/30/97 Italy TBA
Thu, 05/01/97 Zürich TBA
Fri, 05/02/97 Geneva/Genf TBA
Sat, 05/03/97 Lyon TBA
Mon, 05/05/97 Paris TBA
Tue, 05/06/97 Bordeaux TBA
Wed, 05/07/97 San Sebastian(Spain) TBA
Thu, 05/08/97 Madrid TBA
Sat, 05/31/97 Athen TBA
Sun, 06/01/97 Thessaloniki TBA
TBA = to be announced
The tour will be continued!!! So watch out for updates or
changes often, cause all dates (except for Germany) are tentative.
The list was last updated on Wed, 02/12/97
From:
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Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 1:09
pm
Subject:
Really-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=E5l_Westermark?=
unsubscribe tadream paal@i...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 1:14
pm
Subject: Re: tott & S95 (quasar in particlar)
Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker)
>-------------------------------------------------------
>>Really-From: feldon@n...
>>>Tyranny of Beauty:
>>>cd-5 bonus track:
>>>quasar 4as.
>[...]
>>Where on earth can you get this?
>
> I do think it is available on the UK
>version of the TOB full-length cd, am I right about this anyone??
>
>Lars
Quasar is indeed available on the UK version of ToB...
Alan
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: (Date Unavailable)
Subject: The Tadream People...
Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i...
I have a request for one of those translations of introductions by
MCs. I have a tape from, I think, 1981, which has a long
introduction in German to a live version of Kiev Mission. With my
half-baked German I understand most of it, viz: '...der ersten,
grossten ???, Tangerine Dream, und wichtig ist vielleicht fuer die
Leute, die nicht so in unserem Electronik Reich bewandert sind zu
wissen, dass die Tangerine Dream Leute ihre Keyboards, ihre
Tastatueren als ???, als ??? benutzen, und da eine unglaubiche ???
entwickelt haben.'
So German speakers: do tell. What are Tangerine Dream the first,
biggest example of, what do 'the Tangerine Dream people' use their
keyboards as, and what is the unbelieveable thing they've developed
as a result? And how the $!*$ would you render this into English?
Something along the lines of 'Those people who are not knowledgable
about electronic music should note that...', I expect.
Glynn
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 1:23
pm
Subject: Re: tott & S95
Really-From: feldon@n...
>Still I think overall TOTT is a 4as (albeit a low 4as). BTW I do love
>the artwork!
>
>lars (who sticks with the 4as for TOTT)
I have a question... and maybe I am rattling the dog's chain, but isn't a 5
point scoring system almost useless for a musical group so wide in spectrum
as TD? I'd rather use percentages or even grades with plus and minus (Peter
Baumann Repeat gets an F- for example...)
Morgan
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:35
pm
Subject:
Really-From: Armin Theissen
>
>Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i...
>
>
>I have a request for one of those translations of introductions by
>MCs. I have a tape from, I think, 1981, which has a long
>introduction in German to a live version of Kiev Mission. With my
>half-baked German I understand most of it, viz: '...der ersten,
>grossten ???, Tangerine Dream, und wichtig ist vielleicht fuer die
>Leute, die nicht so in unserem Electronik Reich bewandert sind zu
>wissen, dass die Tangerine Dream Leute ihre Keyboards, ihre
>Tastatueren als ???, als ??? benutzen, und da eine unglaubiche ???
>entwickelt haben.'
>
>So German speakers: do tell. What are Tangerine Dream the first,
>biggest example of, what do 'the Tangerine Dream people' use their
>keyboards as, and what is the unbelieveable thing they've developed
>as a result? And how the $!*$ would you render this into English?
>Something along the lines of 'Those people who are not knowledgable
>about electronic music should note that...', I expect.
>
>Glynn
>
Hi,
the guy who gave this introduction back in 1981 was Eberhard
Schoener, a (E-) musician himself (later he changed to do some
very cheesy TV soundtracks). He organized one or two concerts
in Munich Circus Crone as 'Rock and Classic'. Though I've seen it
only once and, a few months later, a complition on TV (did not had
a VCR at those times), and I had a tape audio copy (don't have it
anymore, damnit!), I rememember vaguely some of the missing text
from the above:
''...Tangerine Dream, und wichtig ist vielleicht fuer die
Leute, die nicht so in unserem Electronik Reich bewandert sind zu
wissen, dass die Tangerine Dream Leute ihre Keyboards, ihre
Tastatueren als COMPUTERZENTRALEN or KOMMANDOZENTRALEN FUER IHRE
SYNTHESIZER benutzen, und da eine unglaubiche FERTIGKEIT
entwickelt haben.''
Translated something like
''...TD, and maybe important to know for those people who are not
very familiar with our electronics world is that TD use their keyboards
as command centers or computerconsoles to control their synthesizers,
and they developed an incredible skill in doing that.''
(poor english...)
I remember on that concert a (don't know which) orchestra playing
Honegger, a Violinist playing something I can't remember, The Sparks,
Robert Miles (??, 'Music was my first love'), some female black
singer (Joan Armatrading?), and TD playing Kiev Mission (finally you
saw who was speaking the text) and Mojave Plan with orchestra.
There was a session in the end of all bands/orchestra, Edgar and Chris
playing for hand on a PPG keyboard.
Thats all what my memory can tell.
Armin
From:
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Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:41
pm
Subject:
Really-From: Armin Theissen
>
>I have a question... and maybe I am rattling the dog's chain, but isn't a 5
>point scoring system almost useless for a musical group so wide in spectrum
>as TD? I'd rather use percentages or even grades with plus and minus (Peter
>Baumann Repeat gets an F- for example...)
>
>Morgan
>
>
sorry for that, I 'invented' this 5 point system.
What I had in mind with 5 points instead of 10 is that I actually did
not wanted to give numbers, but some adjectives
5 : excellent
4 : almost perfect
3 : acceptable
2 : not so good, but o.k.
1 : lousy
I made a survey, and to evaluate the survey with a computer, I had
to give numbers again. So these numbers should get a *meaning*, and
on a 10 scale the difference of one point would have been washed out
again.
go and see on http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen/tarank.html
armin
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Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 1:43
pm
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #830
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-02-11 21:57:29 EST, you write:
<< You must pick up Tubular Bells 2 -
VERY reminiscent of the original.. >>
while you're at it, pick up a copy of the 'tubular bells reconstructed' ep,
with re-mixes by the orb and others...very interesting and dramatic
reconstitutions....
on a separate note, anyone looking for the 'rumpelstilchen (sp?)' video can
find it at alcazar music 800-541-9904...happy viewing,
tom w
np: patrolling space borders
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Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 3:59
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Subject: If you like synthesizer and space music : read this !
Really-From: 'Snelders, Eric'
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Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 3:22
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Subject:
Really-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=E5l_Westermark?=
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again
Really-From: 'Phillip R. Naunton' <74427.3125@C...>
>Dave, my man, I totally agree with you. I stopped buying new TD after
>Optical
>Race. Did buy 220 Volt/Three Phase, but other than that, I dislike new TD.
>Someone mentioned that he likes Stratosfear '95 better then the original,
>man what is he thinking of.
Me neither...
>Marcel Engels
>fsp@p...
>
Morgan
feldon@n...
--------------------------------------------------------
Do we have to keep harping on this theme? I've been on this list for
a couple of years and this theme comes up fairly frequently. 'Why I hate TD
today.' or ' 'Lily On The Beach' is actually composed by Yanni.' or maybe
'Edgar hasn't done anything worthwhile since 'Electronic Meditation'.'; its all
so pointless. If you don't like the band, find something else to obsess about.
I'm as much for constructive criticism as anybody else, but I think that if
there is not 40% PMA (Positive Mental Attitude) about TD, then it doesn't belong
on a thread.
I'm also disappointed that there aren't 39 albums like 'Force Majeure'
or 'Logos', but there aren't, and that is it. Get over it! There are hundreds
of artists who have done only one notable thing. Dozens` haven't done any.
Nominations, anybody? John Tesh? Yanni? Klaus Schulze (Now Playing!)?
Kitaro? Jarre?
Phil N.
P.S. Also on the List-equette subject: Can we dispense with the 'Me, too!'
and/or 'Me, neither.' posts. They serve no other function but to waste
bandwidth. IMO, if you don't have a significant element of discussion to add to
the fray then it can be illiminated.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Re: Froese and Dali
Really-From: 'Phillip R. Naunton' <74427.3125@C...>
Morgan quotes and responds-----
>>Does anyone know about this.
>>I wondered if Dali might have influenced Froese in his
>>musical developement ?
>
>There's no question in my mind that Dali had a LOT to do with TD's impressions.
>
>Morgan<<
Last night I was in a bookstore looking at some reproductions of a
Tarot deck designed by Salvadore Dali, a really beautiful creation BTW, and I
thought to myself, 'Maybe Edgar needs a refresher course.' All in fun of
course. 8-)
From:
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Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 11:37
pm
Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> Really-From: 'Phillip R. Naunton' <74427.3125@C...>
>
> Do we have to keep harping on this theme? I've been on this list
for
> a couple of years and this theme comes up fairly frequently. 'Why I hate TD
> today.' or ' 'Lily On The Beach' is actually composed by Yanni.' or maybe
> 'Edgar hasn't done anything worthwhile since 'Electronic Meditation'.';
Well, to be fair to everyone else, we haven't all been on
the list for same length of time, and so repetition is
bound to happen. We need to remember that this is an ever
growing forum on an increasingly popular medium, and there
may be a danger that this sort of (apparent) attitude could
make us seem pompous and drive people with valid comments
away for fear of incurring our wrath.
Now before Phil (or anyone else) writes back to counter
these points, I'm not saying that that was what Phil
intended (at least I assume it wasn't). And in many ways I
agree with the parts of his comments I snipped out -
constructive criticism has to be to the fore and we need to
constantly police ourselves to prevent the potential fall
into oblivion. And in general we seem to do a pretty good
job, with the occassional prompt from Mr. Datta.
> I'm also disappointed that there aren't 39 albums like 'Force
Majeure'
> or 'Logos', but there aren't, and that is it. Get over it! There are
hundreds
> of artists who have done only one notable thing. Dozens` haven't done any.
> Nominations, anybody? John Tesh? Yanni? Klaus Schulze (Now Playing!)?
> Kitaro? Jarre?
I think that's where this thread originated, wasn't it?
Alternatives to TD for disillusioned fans? And I won't take
you to task over your nominations, 'cos that would no doubt
lead to another long and protracted thread of 'X is better
than Y and sounds more like TD than Z'.
> P.S. Also on the List-equette subject: Can we dispense with the 'Me, too!'
> and/or 'Me, neither.' posts. They serve no other function but to waste
> bandwidth. IMO, if you don't have a significant element of discussion to add
to
> the fray then it can be illiminated.
I agree!
(Ehm, oops).
Phil, I don't want to sound offensive, but did you get up
on the wrong side of the bed this morning. This doesn't
sound like the usual sort of post from your quarter, or am
I confusing you with some of the other Phil's on the list?
And finally (sorry this is rambling on) if anyone is looking
for The Keep (unofficial release) and can't find it, I
might be able to help them out. A local shop has (or had
last week) a single copy. E-mail me personally.
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi S3I
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
cordrey@m...
---------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 5:54
pm
Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again
Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
> I think every version of 'Stratosfear' that they did after the original
> is superior to it. True, I wish that Strato '95 had been
> longer and contained more of the original's structure, but the original
> 'Stratosfear'? Pfah, one of the most blandly repetitive,
> uninspired pieces in the entire TD canon. Whatever Lars was thinking of,
> well, I guess I was thinking something similar.
How would you feel if Edgar tangenized Encore pt. 3 or so? And make
it a pop-track. This is how Stratos'95 sounds to me. I'm sorry.
But everyone should follow his own musical tastes of course, no offense.
Marcel
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Subject: ToB-CD
Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
By the way: My ToB CD (with Quasar track) says Stratosfear 94 and
not Stratosfear 95.
Marcel
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Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 7:30
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Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again
Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
> How would you feel if Edgar tangenized Encore pt. 3 or so? And make
> it a pop-track. This is how Stratos'95 sounds to me. I'm sorry.
I would probably love it! What (I think) Lars and I were getting at was that
the original 'Stratosfear' is (IMO, maybe not his) a pretty bland,
colourless piece, as is most of _Encore_, IMO. (I *LOVED* the Monolight remixes
on _Tangents_, I wish TD would do those live, with the piano solo). And
they took it and injected some intensity and energy into it. Yes, they used
guitars and drums, but that was what made the difference here. The '86 tour
version also has interesting new synth lines and drums.
This is not to say I like *every* Tangentization with no questions asked,
mind you. But when they get it spot on, boy do they get it.
> But everyone should follow his own musical tastes of course, no offense.
Amen.
> Marcel
Gabe
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Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 7:40
pm
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #833
Really-From: Harri Ikonen
> Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
>
> >As far as I can remember, the Ginger Lynn tape was called 'Ginger's
> >Greatest' or something like that, but the other one is beyond recall.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Wow! Isn't this a Klaus Schultze disc? Aw naw! Please tell me Klaus isn't
> making blue movies! That's a horrible thought!
No, he's not. I meant to say that I cannot recall the title of the other
movie, but unfortunately picked a wrong expression for that purpose. My
apologies for the confusion.
> >'Risky Business' was released in 1983.
>
> I don't have this album - too much none TD and most of those tracks
> featured turn up on Tangram anyway - but isn't one of the titles something
> like 'Get off the babysitter...'. Now that's a cool title. I remember going
> to a Moog synthesiser demo years ago where the demonstrator played a
> composition entitled 'Richard, don't lock me out' or 'Don't shut the door
> on me dick...'. Funny the sort of things that stick in your head isn't it?
Sorry to nitpick, but the tracks are actually from 'Exit' and 'Force Majeure'
'No Future (Get Off the Babysitter)' - 'Exit'
'Guido the Killer Pimp' - 'Cloudburst Flight'
'Lana' - 'Force Majeure'
> Anyway, Ginger Lynn is still going strong too : churning out more dodgy
> material than Edgar Froese these days.
She's indeed active, but in mainstream films. She left the x-rated business
in late 1980s.
--
Harri Ikonen
hikonen@m...
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Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 7:49
pm
Subject: Re: Orb (was Re: Mike Oldfield)
Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
>
>
> i would agree that, if one compares it to the original, it doesnt stand
> up...but thats not the point, imo...the orb does remixing and
> 'reconstruction' and, i think hes good at that...is this one of his better
> releases? definately not, imo...but it wasnt meant, i dont think, to compete
> in any way with the original...(btw, the fila brazilia remix is the
The general attitude seemed to be not only was it not a good
reinterpretation of Jarre, it wasn't even a particularly good techno
album, that other artists could have done much better in doing something
INTERESTING, never mind satying faithful to the original.
so, why does Paterson need a multi-track master then? He doesn't do
remixes in the mid-80s sense of the word, does he? (read: something like
Tangentization).
> highlight)...the same will hold true of the td remix...if this list starts
> off by comparing it to the original its sunk before it comes out...if
> however, we look at it as an artistic re-interpretation of the original and
> hold it up to the light on its own, it may survive...as to my music
> addiction: lets just say i have a good supplier...
>
> tom w
>
> np: headz a disc 1 - (a mo'wax compilation; why should td stop with the
> orb?...can u guys imagine a scanner remix? or an aphex twin remix?)
We can IMAGINE. As to what these folks would want to remix out of all of
TD's canon, well...3 votes for NOT the more recent stuff.
Gabe
who didn't insert a sig this time
From:
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Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 7:45
pm
Subject: RE: pushing the hot buttons
Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Mon, 10 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: sean
>
>
> > I must offer a dissenting opinion. In the time I have been on the list,
> > I can't help but think that TD has one of the most remarkably fickle fan
> > bases anywhere, BECAUSE they keep experimenting.
>
>
> True....but we still buy the albums anyway, don't we? I mean, because
Yes, but do we buy them just because it's TD? This is one of the hardest
accusations to fight off from disgruntled ex-fans--'the name sells records'
one. It irks the hell out of me every time I see it, but very hard to defend
other than 'Well, I listen to TD because they change so much and I like that!'
> they DO change their sound on a regular basis, you never know when it'll
> be something great.
What I meant was I don't know about any band whose 'fans' can give albums
X, Y, Z effusive praise with fanatic fervour and rip into albums A, B,
C, and then the band itself) with a venom usually reserved for true societal
scum.
There is something else I have to say on this, but I have neither the
time, energy, nor desire to begin, and then defend my opinions in, what
could be the biggest flame war the list has ever seen.
>
> Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: TRACKLIST: 1992 USA tour (October-November)
Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...>
Tracklist: OCTOBER-NOVEMBER 1992 USA TOUR
Set one
1) Waterborne
2) Touchwood
3) Rolling Down Cahuenga
4) Blue Bridge
5) Oriental Haze
6) Graffiti Street
7) Melrose
8) Two Bunch Palms
9) 220 Volt
10) Homeless
Set two
11) Story of the Brave
12) Sundance Kid
13) Girls on Broadway
14) Love on a Real Train
15) Back Street Hero
16) Body Corporate
17) Rockoon
Encores
18) One Night in Medina
19) Hamlet
20) Dreamtime
21) Purple Haze
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Known extant fan recordings (dates in European format, i.e. day.month.year):
04.10.92 Toronto Music Hall
05.10.92 Montreal Wilfred Peltier Theatre
08.10.92 Boston Berklee Performance Center
09.10.92 New York Beacon Theater
10.10.92 Upper Darby (Philadelphia) Tower Theater
13.10.92 Washington D.C. Lisner Auditorium
14.10.92 Columbus Palace Theater
15.10.92 Baltimore Johns Hopkins University/Shriver Hall
16.10.92 Cleveland Front Row Theater
17.10.92 Chicago Old Vic Theater
20.10.92 Detroit Fox Theater
28.10.92 San Juan/Capistrano Coach House
30.10.92 Los Angeles Wiltern Theater
01.11.92 Ventura Theater
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Cheers,
John Burek and Mark Schaffer
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From:
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message
Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...>
Hello folks,
Well, about a month and half ago I posted a message to the list asking whether
anyone was terribly interested in tour tracklists. I got a few replies to the
affirmative, so thus began a rather arduous process (still far from complete) of
compiling these things from existing tour tapes.
Fellow list member Mark Schaffer and I have undertaken to catalog tracklists
from TD's 1980 tour shows up to the present day, in conjunction with the column
we write for Voyager magazine on concert tapes. It's turned out to be a
well-more difficult task than anticipated--although most tours contained mostly
the same tracklists for each show within the tour, there are often slight
variations that make sweeping statements about an entire tour difficult.
However, scanning through many hours of tapes is bringing us nearer to consensus
on many of the patterns of the tours. As we settle each tracklist to the best of
our ability, we'll post the results to the list under the subject header
'TRACKLIST: 19XX tour'.
As time (and our ears' endurance) permit, expect to see discrete tracklists for
the following TD tours and one-off shows:
1) Oct-Nov 1980 Europe tour
2) Jan-Feb 1981 Europe mini-tour
3) Berlin Reichstag August 1981 (one-off show)
4) Oct-Nov 1981 UK tour
5) December 1981 Munich Circus Krone (one-off show)
6) Feb-March 1982 Australia mini-tour
7) Oct-Nov 1982 Europe tour
8) June 1983 Frankfurt 'Fassbinder Memorial Concert' (one-off show)
9) June 1983 Japan mini-tour
10) Nov 1983 Dresden (one-off show)
11) Dec 1983 Warsaw (two 'one-off' shows)
12) June 1984 Athens (one-off show)
13) March 1986 UK tour
14) May-June 1986 USA tour
15) August 1987 Berlin Reichstag (one-off show)
16) August-Sept 1988 USA tour
17) Feb 1990 Berlin 'Brandenburger' concert (one-off show)
18) Oct-Nov 1990 UK tour
19) Oct-Nov 1992 USA tour
20) July 1995 LA S.I.R. Theater (one-off show)
21) November 1996 London Shepherds Bush (one-off show)
Not all at once, of course. :)
Pre-1980 (including the East Berlin 'Pergamon' shows in January 1980), there
were no discrete tracklists to detect--shows were mainly improvised.
If anyone has heard recordings that contradict of could augment our research, we
want to hear from you!
We'll start (in a separate message) with the 1992 USA tour (easy, since all the
tapes we've heard are exactly the same).
Enjoy! Disputes/questions/discussion encouraged....
--John and Mark
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From:
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Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:33
pm
Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-02-13 11:05:55 EST, you write:
<< Dozens` haven't done any >>
Klaus Schulze (Now Playing!)?
whoa there good buddy...lets not start a ks hasnt done anything decent
thread....
if you don't have a significant element of discussion to add to
the fray then it can be illiminated.
do u mean eliminated or illuminated?
tom w
np: (horrors) u2 : the propaganda melon remixes
From:
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Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:32
pm
Subject: Buying it for the name?
Really-From: sean
> Yes, but do we buy them just because it's TD?
Well, that might well be *part* of it. However, I have not purchased the
most recent albums by the Cure, R.E.M., The Cranberries, Soundgarden and
several others even though I had previously liked these groups. With TD,
it's different. My affiliation with them goes back farther. And part
of me likes the fact that they aren't all that well known. They're like a
pot of gold that I horde to myself. I don't have to hear a new TD single
that I dislike played on the radio 10 times a day, until I resent the
whole album that it comes from.
Because the band is so prolific, and because they continue to attempt
different styles of work, it's harder to just write them off as it is a
band that only puts out an album every two or three years. You don't have
time to forget about them. Just as you've given an album enough time to
really decide if you like it or not - bang - there's another one. I don't
think this is a bad thing! It's just how I've viewed the TD situation
since I became an ardent fan in the mid 80s. It's rather like a slot
machine...they give you a prize every so often just to keep you pulling
the lever.
I've probably made a barbed comment or two here in regards to the band,
but as someone who also works in the creative realm, I have nothing but
respect for the body of work that they've produced, the fervour with which
they continue to compose, and their overall integrity. I think we would
all do well to remember that they're just human beings doing what they
love, and letting us in on it. A fan shouldn't expect them to serve as
their own personal musicians. The old stuff is still there if that's all
you like.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'Humour is truth, only faster'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:50
pm
Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again
Really-From: feldon@n...
>I would probably love it! What (I think) Lars and I were getting at was that
>the original 'Stratosfear' is (IMO, maybe not his) a pretty bland,
>colourless piece, as is most of _Encore_, IMO. (I *LOVED* the Monolight remixes
>on _Tangents_, I wish TD would do those live, with the piano solo). And
>they took it and injected some intensity and energy into it. Yes, they used
>guitars and drums, but that was what made the difference here. The '86 tour
>version also has interesting new synth lines and drums.
On to a b**t topic:
Did TD play any more of Logos during the 1988 concert than the Blue part? It
seems that 88 was a return to history. Did they play anything else besides
Logos and Phaedra (or was that in 86?)
Morgan
From:
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Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:56
pm
Subject: Tangerine Dream Evolution
Really-From: feldon@n...
>There is something else I have to say on this, but I have neither the
>time, energy, nor desire to begin, and then defend my opinions in, what
>could be the biggest flame war the list has ever seen.
> >
>> Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
When I listen to Tangerine Dream, whatever the year, I wonder:
Are the tracks between 1976 and 1982 so different and (and I'm going out on
a limb here) more to many tastes than 1983-1989 tracks for any particular
reason other than evolution? Maybe Tangerine Dream wanted to make CDs like
Goblin's Club and Melrose all along but didn't have the equipment to MIDIfy
everything. Ok, that was definately a stretch... But really, Force Majeure
and Cyclone are as close to 70's pop-rock as TD ever got back then (I
haven't heard Tangram, so couldn't tell you about that). And now, listening
to Goblin's Club, when I am on a 5-10 minute drive, what do I play? The
first 4 minutes of track 1 and the first 3 minutes of track 2 and wonder...
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Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:59
pm
Subject: Moog Question
Really-From: feldon@n...
I know that this list probably isn't the right place for this question, but
I know someone who bought a full size Moog keyboard (we're talking 8 feet
across and over 100 lbs) used in 1986 for $750. He is a friend of mine (met
him last year) and he doesn't know what to do with it because it sort of got
damaged, a couple of keys are missing now and it doesn't work.
Is there any place in the US that does repairs on such keyboards? Maybe he
should just sell it. TD might pay $10,000 for it, I would if I had it and
had TO!
This Moog is fully MIDIfied and had a place for a floppy drive.
Morgan
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Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 9:14
pm
Subject: Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message
Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
> Enjoy! Disputes/questions/discussion encouraged....
Well, this may be nit-picking, but I object to the Canadian venues to be
included in an overall 'USA tour' label, as the May-June 1986 (#14),
August-Sept 1988 (#16) and Oct-Nov 1992 (#19) tours are currently listed.
I would recommend 'North American' tour. For the record, this is how the
venues of those tours were labelled (i.e.: North American tour) on the promo
tee-shirts that were sold at said shows.
Us Canadians are still proud of our identity, though we share many
values with our good friends south of the border.
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
and, for the sake of those who asked the question: 39 (will be 40 in 4 days),
master degree in Aerospace Engineering, single and completely bald (including
eyelashes, eyebrows, etc.), born in Montreal and still living/working in that
area. Only musical instrument mastered: CD player ;-)
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From:
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Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:32
am
Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield
Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuliĉ/Sasha Sekulich)
On Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:19:16 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm so glad Oldfield got out from under the thumb of Virgin records. The 'pop'
>stuff he put out during the latter period of his contract with Virgin was
>largely forgettable, IMHO. TBII was a breath of fresh air without simply
>being a rehash of the original. I have heard that he has a new album out now
>called Voyager, although it does not appear to be distributed here in the US.
>Do you have any info on it?
It's been released for at least 3-4 months, and if you can get it here
(Serbia) you should be able to get in anywhere :)
Anyway, it isn't like SoTD or TBII, not to mention Amarok. It's just a
'collection' of folk/folk influenced songs. There really isn't anything catchy
or memorable. JAA (Just Another Album). I'd rather listen Heaven's Open/Earth
Moving (and I do :) than this one.
Nonetheless, it belongs into something called A Must Have. :)
It's really nothing special, but it isn't bad.
***********************************************************************
Sasa Sekulic, Student at the Faculty of Physics, University of Belgrade
---------------------------------------------------------------------
mrsasha@b... ******************* mrsasha@a...
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From:
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Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:32
am
Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons
Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuliĉ/Sasha Sekulich)
On Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:06:30 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: dalane@b... (Dave Lane)
>> In other words, some folks are content to live in
>> the past, and for them is classic rock radio, with its never-ending
>> doses of Stairway to Heaven, Freebird and that annoying Peter Frampton
>> song whose title escapes me at the moment (wait! They're ALL annoying!).
>Baloney. I'd bet that 99% of the people who listen to '70-'88 TD don't
>like any of the above crap. I know I don't. I'm also not content
>to swallow trite instrumental pop just because it has the TD brand
>name on it. There's too much other good stuff out there.
Hey! Why crap? I do love Stairway to Heaven once in a while. Every year or
so... :)
But really, I like rock, metal, blues, jazz, even pop sometimes :) And
electronic/experimental music, of course.
***********************************************************************
Sasa Sekulic, Student at the Faculty of Physics, University of Belgrade
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:32
am
Subject: Re:
Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuliĉ/Sasha Sekulich)
>On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:20:31 GMT, Maxwell wrote:
>
>>Hey Dream boys and girls of course (if there are any),
>>So what's the average age of people subscribed to this list and where=20
>>are most of you from?
Sasa Sekulic, 20, student at the Faculty of Physics, Belgrade. Have been
living in Croatia first 15 years, and in Serbia afterwards. A fan for exactly
21 day :)) Not than I haven't heard of them before, but I haven't actually
listened to them but I knew I'd like 'em (being listening to Mike Oldfield,
Vangelis JMJ, Enya, Yello, Pink Floyd etc.).
Currently in possession of: Atem :) and Destination Berlin :)))
Anybody younger? :)
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Sasa Sekulic, Student at the Faculty of Physics, University of Belgrade
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 10:08
pm
Subject: New comer
Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
>
> Sasa Sekulic, 20, student at the Faculty of Physics, Belgrade. Have been
> living in Croatia first 15 years, and in Serbia afterwards. A fan for exactly
> 21 day :)) Not than I haven't heard of them before, but I haven't actually
> listened to them but I knew I'd like 'em (being listening to Mike Oldfield,
> Vangelis JMJ, Enya, Yello, Pink Floyd etc.).
>
Fan for only 21 days? It would be most interesting to follow your evolution,
how your preferences shift as you discover albums, how you freshly approach
each TD work with a 'new ear' (as opposed to us old timers).
Please keep us up to date in your discovery of TD music, what you pick up on
the first listen, and how your appreciation changes (or not) on the second,
third, etc. audition.
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 9:59
pm
Subject: Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message
Really-From: sean
> Well, this may be nit-picking, but I object to the Canadian venues to be
> included in an overall 'USA tour' label, as the May-June 1986 (#14),
Bravo!
> Us Canadians are still proud of our identity
Even when we aren't sure what that identity is...
> though we share many values with our good friends south of the border.
Think of us as a 'kinder, gentler' America. Fewer guns, more spruce
trees. We stab you in the back rather than kick you in the gonads.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'Humour is truth, only faster'
From:
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96
Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...>
Hello folks,
Here goes another tracklist. This one was easy--it's on TD's homepage--but
actually, there are a couple of slight clarifications Mark and I made to more
accurately reflect what was actually played.....enjoy!
--John Burek and Mark Schaffer
________________________________________________________________________________\
_
_
TRACKLIST: London Shepherds Bush Empire 30.11.96
First set
1) Opening atmospheres
2) Barbakane (excerpt)
3) Sundance Kid
4) Hyperborea
5) Warsaw in the Sun
6) Exit
7) Stratosfear 1995
8) Dolphin Dance
9) Melrose
10) Streethawk
11) The Blue Bridge
12) Oriental Haze
Second set
13) Piano solos (Edgar and Linda--an excerpt from Ricochet Part Two and some
Mozart)
14) Nomad (unreleased track)
15) 220 Volt
16) Dreamtime
17) Catwalk (with lengthy new intro)
18) Firetongues
19) Girls on Broadway
20) Rising Haul in Silence
21) Lamb With Radar Eyes
22) Touchwood (Forest Mix)
23) Towards the Evening Star
Encores
24) Hamlet
25) Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal
26) Eleanor Rigby
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
-
---------------------------------------
Known fan recordings:
30.11.96 London Shepherd's Bush Empire (several versions)
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96
Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...>
Hello folks,
Here goes another tracklist. This one was easy--it's on TD's homepage--but
actually, there are a couple of slight clarifications Mark and I made to more
accurately reflect what was actually played.....enjoy!
--John Burek and Mark Schaffer
________________________________________________________________________________\
_
_
TRACKLIST: London Shepherds Bush Empire 30.11.96
First set
1) Opening atmospheres
2) Barbakane (excerpt)
3) Sundance Kid
4) Hyperborea
5) Warsaw in the Sun
6) Exit
7) Stratosfear 1995
8) Dolphin Dance
9) Melrose
10) Streethawk
11) The Blue Bridge
12) Oriental Haze
Second set
13) Piano solos (Edgar and Linda--an excerpt from Ricochet Part Two and some
Mozart)
14) Nomad (unreleased track)
15) 220 Volt
16) Dreamtime
17) Catwalk (with lengthy new intro)
18) Firetongues
19) Girls on Broadway
20) Rising Haul in Silence
21) Lamb With Radar Eyes
22) Touchwood (Forest Mix)
23) Towards the Evening Star
Encores
24) Hamlet
25) Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal
26) Eleanor Rigby
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
-
---------------------------------------
Known fan recordings:
30.11.96 London Shepherd's Bush Empire (several versions)
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59
am
Subject: Something Controversial(sp)
Really-From: Matt Williams
Hi People,
I have been on this least for well over a year now and I don't know if it is
me but this list doesn't seem to be as good as it was when I first came onto
it,I used to contribute to the discussions and enjoy reading the mails but now
when I go into my mail folder and see loads of TD mail I just delete most of
it just by reading the subjects.
Does anyone else feel the same or is it just me who has changed....maybe I
should give the space music list a try for a while!
Matt..........
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Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 11:52
pm
Subject: The Official A PRODUCE web page is here!
Really-From: Jill Bryant
Hello synth musicians and Emusic fans, the official A PRODUCE page is on
the net (and has been for some time)!
A PRODUCE web page URL:
http://pages.prodigy.com/APRODUCE/APRODUCE.htm
It is part of the Timeless Sequences Electronic Music web page:
http://pages.prodigy.com/TimelessSequencesEM
Everyone tell me what you think. I aim to please any listener of this
genre!
Synthly & Cosmically,
Jill Bryant
From:
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59
pm
Subject: More TD tour dates
Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (peter stoeferle)
TD's Home Page issued the following tour dates:
>>>
Tangerine Dream European Tour 1997
Starting at April 9th, Tangerine Dream will open
Tickets are available the European Tour 1997 with the following
from: concerts:
Moderne Welt GmbH Wed, 04/09/97 Vienna TBA
Marienbaderstr. 6/1, Thu, 04/10/97 Leipzig/Dresden TBA
D-70372 Stuttgart Fri, 04/11/97 Bonn Beethovenhalle
Tel.: +49.711.9547474
Fax: +49.711.9547470 Sat, 04/12/97 München Circus Krone
Sun, 04/13/97 Nürnberg/Erlangen Stadthalle
Erlangen
Tue, 04/15/97 Hamburg Musikhalle
Wed, 04/16/97 Berlin Hochschule der
Kuenste (HdK)
Thu, 04/17/97 Hannover Music Hall
Fri, 04/18/97 Neu-Isenburg Hugenottenhalle
Sat, 04/19/97 Brussels TBA
Sun, 04/20/97 Amsterdam TBA
Tue, 04/22/97 Budapest TBA
Wed, 04/23/97 Zabrze (Poland) TBA
Thu, 04/24/97 Prague TBA
Fri, 04/25/97 Linz TBA
Sat, 04/26/97 Ljubljana TBA
(Slovenia)
Mon, 04/28/97 Italy TBA
Tue, 04/29/97 Italy TBA
Wed, 04/30/97 Italy TBA
Thu, 05/01/97 Zürich TBA
Fri, 05/02/97 Geneva/Genf TBA
Sat, 05/03/97 Lyon TBA
Mon, 05/05/97 Paris TBA
Tue, 05/06/97 Bordeaux TBA
Wed, 05/07/97 San TBA
Sebastian(Spain)
Thu, 05/08/97 Madrid TBA
Sat, 05/31/97 Athen TBA
Sun, 06/01/97 Thessaloniki TBA
TBA = to be announced
The tour will be continued!!! So watch out for updates or changes often,
cause all dates (except for Germany) are tentative. The list was last
updated on Wed, 02/12/97.
>>> End quote
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Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 6:59
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Subject: Sorry!
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi all,
Sorry. I goofed. Sudden rush of sh*t to the brain, I'm afraid...
Surreal-to-Reals URL is, in fact,
http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/surreal/
Apologies for the mistake.
Cheers
David
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Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 2:32
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Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:21
am
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream Evolution
Really-From: Rich Maggio
> and Cyclone are as close to 70's pop-rock as TD ever got back then (I
> haven't heard Tangram, so couldn't tell you about that). And now, listening
You haven't heard Tangram! You are deprived! You must get/listen to
it. I think it is one of their best. I believe most folks on this list
would
agree. I think of Tangram and a TD staple. If you want to pick it up
now,
you are in luck because they just re-released it as an SBM with the
original
red cover.
Rich Maggio
From:
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Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 5:32
am
Subject: Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 05:35 PM 2/13/97 EST, you wrote:
>Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...>
>
>
Sheperd's Bush...
>---------------------------------------
>Known fan recordings:
>
>30.11.96 London Shepherd's Bush Empire (several versions)
Hmm... I am curious if the additions to Catwalk are of redeeming value among
some other songs played. Is it worth the disc? I've got every TD with few
exceptions.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 5:51
am
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream Evolution
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Rich Maggio
>
> > and Cyclone are as close to 70's pop-rock as TD ever got back then
> > (I haven't heard Tangram, so couldn't tell you about that). And now,
> > listening
>
> You haven't heard Tangram! You are deprived! You must get/listen to
> it. I think it is one of their best. I believe most folks on this
> list would agree. I think of Tangram and a TD staple. If you want
> to pick it up now, you are in luck because they just re-released it
> as an SBM with the original red cover.
>
> Rich Maggio
And if I may add, from A/B listenings of the old 'Tangram' CD and the
new one, the difference is _dramatic_. Get it -- Mark
From:
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Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:07
pm
Subject: RE: pushing the hot buttons
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> There is something else I have to say on this, but I have neither the
> time, energy, nor desire to begin, and then defend my opinions in, what
> could be the biggest flame war the list has ever seen.
>
> Gabe
>
C'mon Gabe, you can't make a comment like this and then
leave us hanging! 'the biggest flame war this list has ever
seen' sounds like a great thread to me. (Well, that and the
blurb from one of those deep-voiced-over cheap
straight-to-video films 8-)).
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi S3I
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
cordrey@m...
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Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:11
pm
Subject: Re:
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuli /Sasha Sekulich)
>
> Currently in possession of: Atem :) and Destination Berlin :)))
>
I think most on the list would suggest that you couldn't
have picked a more extreme two albums to start with. As
Gabe said, it'll be interesting to see which of these
(IMHO) two separate camps you end preferring.
> Anybody younger? :)
>
I think there's a couple, but not many. Most of seem to be
spread in the late-20s-to-late-30s range (I think).
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi S3I
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
cordrey@m...
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Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:12
pm
Subject: Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> Really-From: feldon@n...
> Hmm... I am curious if the additions to Catwalk are of redeeming value among
> some other songs played. Is it worth the disc? I've got every TD with few
> exceptions.
I think this is just a fan tape, not a CD. Or has this now
appeared on CD somewhere? (It's only a matter of time).
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi S3I
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
cordrey@m...
---------------------------------------------
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59
pm
Subject: RE: TRACKLIST: 1992 USA tour (October-November)
Really-From: Peter Ravn
Dear John Burek and Mark Schaffer
A tremendous job you are going to do.
But nevertheless I think you forgot the Seattle 25.10.92 show.
Maybe more, but that were that I remember right now.
Best regards,
Peter Ravn
----------
Fra: 'tadream@c...'@LOCAL
Til: 'tadream@c...'@LOCAL
Emne: TRACKLIST: 1992 USA tour (October-November)
Dato: 13. February 1997 20:44
Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...>
Tracklist: OCTOBER-NOVEMBER 1992 USA TOUR
Set one
1) Waterborne
2) Touchwood
3) Rolling Down Cahuenga
4) Blue Bridge
5) Oriental Haze
6) Graffiti Street
7) Melrose
8) Two Bunch Palms
9) 220 Volt
10) Homeless
Set two
11) Story of the Brave
12) Sundance Kid
13) Girls on Broadway
14) Love on a Real Train
15) Back Street Hero
16) Body Corporate
17) Rockoon
Encores
18) One Night in Medina
19) Hamlet
20) Dreamtime
21) Purple Haze
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------
------------------------------
Known extant fan recordings (dates in European format, i.e.
day.month.year):
04.10.92 Toronto Music Hall
05.10.92 Montreal Wilfred Peltier Theatre
08.10.92 Boston Berklee Performance Center
09.10.92 New York Beacon Theater
10.10.92 Upper Darby (Philadelphia) Tower Theater
13.10.92 Washington D.C. Lisner Auditorium
14.10.92 Columbus Palace Theater
15.10.92 Baltimore Johns Hopkins University/Shriver Hall
16.10.92 Cleveland Front Row Theater
17.10.92 Chicago Old Vic Theater
20.10.92 Detroit Fox Theater
28.10.92 San Juan/Capistrano Coach House
30.10.92 Los Angeles Wiltern Theater
01.11.92 Ventura Theater
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------
------------------------------
Cheers,
John Burek and Mark Schaffer
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Subject:
Really-From: ashok prema
From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:40:20 +0200 (EET)
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #833
Really-From: Harri Ikonen
> Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
>
> >As far as I can remember, the Ginger Lynn tape was called 'Ginger's
> >Greatest' or something like that, but the other one is beyond recall.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Wow! Isn't this a Klaus Schultze disc? Aw naw! Please tell me Klaus isn't
> making blue movies! That's a horrible thought!
>No, he's not. I meant to say that I cannot recall the title of the other
>movie, but unfortunately picked a wrong expression for that purpose. My
>apologies for the confusion.
Am I missing something ?? Shultzes 'Body Love' was as Blue as blue movies
go - and very nice it was too!! .........time for another cold shower!!
Ash
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 11:45
am
Subject: Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural answer
Really-From: m.schaffer@i...
>
> Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
>
> Well, this may be nit-picking, but I object to the Canadian venues to be
> included in an overall 'USA tour' label, as the May-June 1986 (#14),
> August-Sept 1988 (#16) and Oct-Nov 1992 (#19) tours are currently listed.
> I would recommend 'North American' tour. For the record, this is how the
> venues of those tours were labelled (i.e.: North American tour) on the promo
> tee-shirts that were sold at said shows.
>
> Us Canadians are still proud of our identity, though we share many
> values with our good friends south of the border.
>
>
> C.B. Vincent Goudreault
> online since early 93, TD fan since 77
> first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
>
That's the danger of leaving an American in charge of things, eh, John? :)
Apologies to all Canadians on the list.
Rest assured that all future North American tours will be labelled as such.
Mark Schaffer
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 11:49
am
Subject: Re: TRACKLIST: 1992 USA tour (October-November)
Really-From: m.schaffer@i...
Dear Peter,
>
> Really-From: Peter Ravn
>
> A tremendous job you are going to do.
Thank you!
>
> But nevertheless I think you forgot the Seattle 25.10.92 show.
> Maybe more, but that were that I remember right now.
>
> Best regards,
> Peter Ravn
> ----------
> Known extant fan recordings (dates in European format, i.e.
> day.month.year):
>
> 04.10.92 Toronto Music Hall
> 05.10.92 Montreal Wilfred Peltier Theatre
> 08.10.92 Boston Berklee Performance Center
> 09.10.92 New York Beacon Theater
> 10.10.92 Upper Darby (Philadelphia) Tower Theater
> 13.10.92 Washington D.C. Lisner Auditorium
> 14.10.92 Columbus Palace Theater
> 15.10.92 Baltimore Johns Hopkins University/Shriver Hall
> 16.10.92 Cleveland Front Row Theater
> 17.10.92 Chicago Old Vic Theater
> 20.10.92 Detroit Fox Theater
> 28.10.92 San Juan/Capistrano Coach House
> 30.10.92 Los Angeles Wiltern Theater
> 01.11.92 Ventura Theater
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Is there a fan recording of this concert? Please send details to either
myself or John (I asked John to list _all_ tour venues and specify which
of those had extant fan tapes, but I don't think he got my message in time.)
Thanks for your input,
Mark Schaffer
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 12:33
pm
Subject: various comments
Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones)
>Really-From: feldon@n...
[...]
>But really, Force Majeure and Cyclone are as close to 70's pop-rock as TD
ever >got back then
[...]
Please illuminate me! I used to listen to lots of 70s-80s pop rock during
the 70s and 80s and always felt that FM (which I was playing throughout the
80s) was as far from mainstream pop-rock as one could get! I don't mean
this negatively/sarcastically/caustically and would appreciate an explanation.
lars
-----------------------------------------------------
>Really-From: sean
>> Us Canadians are still proud of our identity
>Even when we aren't sure what that identity is...
>Think of us as a 'kinder, gentler' America. Fewer guns, more spruce trees ...
sorry I couldn't resist; BTW I do love Canada and have visited every province!
Lars (who really owes Sean a few beers now!)
****Obligatory TD content for TLM [The List Master]:****
In answer to last week's query: I'm 35, married, a student in art history
living near Boston; I've been a hard-core fan of TD since around '81 or so.
First exposure was Theif and first albums were Ricochet and Sorcerer. I
love 76-86 TD best but still like ALL of their stuff.
ps: a addition to my Haslinger comments of late:
My parakeet 'Fang' :> gives Future Perfect two 'claws' up (he really loves
it!) but World Without Rules gets one 'claw' up; my parrot :> could care
less though--which is also how she feels about TD in general :-( It is
strange (maybe I'm starting some really eccentric thread here but so what!)
but I've noticed that parakeets (at least the two that I've had) really seem
to like music and especially EM; my previous parakeet loved 'Transfer
Station Blue' and could 'sing' almost all of it from memory (eg: when the
stereo was off). Fang also likes a variety of TD, but seems to prefer those
CDs which tend to get higher 'AS' scores on the list. How do I know? If he
isn't interested, he'll just sit there quietly or do something else; if he
really likes the music, he participates (that's just natural flock behavior
for gregarious birds!); the more he 'sings' and talks and the louder he is,
the more I know he likes it. When he goes non-stop through a whole cd, I
know he's just given it a 5AS!
Has anyone else noticed varying/qualitative responses to TD amongst the
non-human animal kingdom?
lars
(who expects to get flamed by the 'ultra-serious' members of this list)
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Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 12:47
pm
Subject:
Really-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pċl_Westermark?=
unsubscribe tadream Pċl Westermark
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 1:47
pm
Subject: Re: Something Controversial(sp)
Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
On Feb 13, 3:17pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Something Controversial(sp)
> Really-From: Matt Williams
(...)
>
> I have been on this least for well over a year now and I don't know if it is
> me but this list doesn't seem to be as good as it was when I first came onto
> it,I used to contribute to the discussions and enjoy reading the mails but
now
> when I go into my mail folder and see loads of TD mail I just delete most of
> it just by reading the subjects.
>
(...)
Matt,
perhaps what you are experiencing is only that what we hinted to a few days
ago,
when someone asked about our ages, backgrounds, etc. The list goes through
cycles, as new comers ask questions that were addressed 12 or 24 months ago,
so what you see are those topics coming around for another pass.
I use to be quite active on this list, 3 years ago. Since then, I have become
one of the old timers, essentially listening in and sometimes putting in
a comment or answering a question asked by a fellow 'tadreamer'. Remember
that this list is what YOU make out of it. Surely the discussion heats up
after a new release, or during tour time. Perhaps you would like to bring in
another view of the Tangerine Dream experience? You may want to ask 'what is
the most unusual place you ever heard TD music', or describe 'the most unlikely
person that is a TD fan' (to me that would be a country & western fan !),
or tell us how many people (and how you perform that task) you introduced to
TD music. The possibility are endless.
Regards
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 2:59
pm
Subject: Re: various comments
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 07:33 AM 2/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones)
>
>
>>Really-From: feldon@n...
>[...]
>>But really, Force Majeure and Cyclone are as close to 70's pop-rock as TD
>ever >got back then
>[...]
>
>Please illuminate me! I used to listen to lots of 70s-80s pop rock during
>the 70s and 80s and always felt that FM (which I was playing throughout the
>80s) was as far from mainstream pop-rock as one could get! I don't mean
>this negatively/sarcastically/caustically and would appreciate an explanation.
I don't know why I wrote that the WAY I did. Force Majeure is not pop. I'm
referring to about 4 minutes of the title song. Cyclone, on the other hand...
Morgan
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 9:46
am
Subject: The TD Roots Collection and....
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
Just to go on record, although we have discussed this several times over
the years:
The range of ages of TD's music lovers is probably 9 to 95 and,
professionally, we probably range from brick-layers to university
professors. Men are likely to outnumber women 10:1, probably because of
differences in listening styles.
For whatever it's worth, I am exactly the same age as Edgar Froese
(actually a month younger) and have been listening to TD since 1971. I am a
medical psychologist.
--------
but enough of this...
I am surprised that nobody is discussing:
1) The TD Roots Collection
2) Supernatural Fairy Tales - The Progressive Rock Era
The latter is a compilation by Archie Patterson (of Eurock fame) and David
McLees. If you are interested in getting a feel for how our listening ears
(actually brains) have evolved over the years (listeners of my age, that
is), this collection of 50+ tracks is NOT to be missed.
For those of you who will fork out the heavy cash, ENJOY! You won't be
quite the same afterwards. :-)
Andrew
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96
Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...>
Message text written by tadream mailing list
>>Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>> Really-From: feldon@n...
>> Hmm... I am curious if the additions to Catwalk are of redeeming value among
>> some other songs played. Is it worth the disc? I've got every TD with few
>> exceptions.
>>I think this is just a fan tape, not a CD. Or has this now
>>appeared on CD somewhere? (It's only a matter of time).
Hello,
At the moment it's just a fan tape. However, if TD actually releases this London
1996 concert video as they mentioned they would back in December, I would think
there'd be a good chance the Catwalk material would be on there.
The additions at the start of the song are really no big deal, just about a
minute of keyboard noodling. The guitar work within the song, though, was
'heavier' than in the ToB version.
--John Burek
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 3:57
pm
Subject: Re: various comments
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones)
>Has anyone else noticed varying/qualitative responses to TD amongst the
>non-human animal kingdom?
I've noticed that our cat reacts similarly to just about every TD album: she
stares vacantly into space, occasionally begs for food, and eventually goes back
to sleep.
Ultra-seriously,
B. Kirby
PS - I did discover a hairball by the stereo the last time I played 'Rockoon,'
however.
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tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates wanted?
Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...>
Vincent G.:
You're absolutely right--not only **should** I have referred to the 1986, 1988,
and 1992 tours as North American tours (TD played plenty of Canadian dates on
those tours, for sure), but I called the 1992 tour a 'USA tour' and ***then***
said there were extant fan recordings from Toronto and Montreal! Sorry 'bout
that--chalk that one up to boneheaded Yankee Americentrism. :-)
Peter R.:
Thanks for the kind words. Initially, we started out just listing the extant fan
recordings (incidentially, I don't know of a **fan** recording of Seattle 1992,
though Three Phase/220 Volt Live is an official one), but if list members would
find a FULL listing of each tour's dates useful, we could certainly provide that
and indicate which ones we know fantapes exist for. (In doing so, we would have
to give much credit to 'Voices in the Dunes' and its creators for info on
concerts that no fantape exists for.)
John Burek
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 11:12
pm
Subject: Short : No TD - Funny?
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
Armin,
Did you know your Microsoft Word spell-checked name is
Armenia Thinness?
No, I'm not making fun of your name. It's just one of those
things I occassionally do when bored and yours came out
quite funny I thought.
My god, am I sad or what?
No offense intended.
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi S3I
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
cordrey@m...
---------------------------------------------
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:33
pm
Subject: pets & TD (was Re: various comments)
At 07:33 97·02·14 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones)
>Has anyone else noticed varying/qualitative responses to TD amongst the
>non-human animal kingdom?
My cat Zocchi does have *some* preference to the music I play.
Although she likes to be in my vicinity wherever at home I happen to be,
and puts up with my occasional mutchering and two nephews (ages 2 &4). And
as you might know, cats can be indifferent and inscrutable.
She definitely doesn't like Einstürzende Neubauten. She always
leaves my room when I play it.
Life is complex. It has real and imaginary parts.
/^\
| pete
| penfold@a...
|
|
|
YA .semi.random.sig.quote
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 10:43
pm
Subject: my .profile
Really-From: anunes@m...
In answer to Maxwell Croy, my name is Antonio Nunes, age 38 (39 next month),
electronic engineer and unix system administrator, Portuguese living in
Madeira Island. My first exposure to TD was in the early 80's with excerpts
of Logos and Hyperborea on the radio. First complete album was Tangram,
borrowed from a friend. First TD album bought: Force Majeure (vinyl). These 4
albums are still my favorites, though I have now almost 60 TD CD's.
Antonio Nunes
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:49
pm
Subject: Re: various comments
Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> I've noticed that our cat reacts similarly to just about every TD album:
she
> stares vacantly into space, occasionally begs for food, and eventually
goes back
> to sleep.
My cat always feels uneasy when I play old TD and especially Kitaro
(I think because of the high and strange frequencies of the analog synths.)
She always walks to the speaker to see where the sound is coming from and
then runs away.
> PS - I did discover a hairball by the stereo the last time I played
'Rockoon,'
> however.
Not suprisingly (this is the last time I mention that I don't like new TD,
really!)
Marcel
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 11:47
pm
Subject: spelling my name
Really-From: Armin Theissen
>
>Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>
>
>Armin,
>
>Did you know your Microsoft Word spell-checked name is
>Armenia Thinness?
>
>No, I'm not making fun of your name. It's just one of those
>things I occassionally do when bored and yours came out
>quite funny I thought.
>
>My god, am I sad or what?
>
>No offense intended.
>
>
Hi,
I just checked and YOU'RE WRONG!
If I write 'Armin Theissen' and do the Microsoft Word spell check,
I get 'Armenia theism'. However, if I do this common mistake almost
any british/irish/american does, namely mis-spelling my second name
to 'Thiessen' (notice the order of 'i' and 'e'), then the result
is as yours ('Thinnes').
No offense taken for checking spelling, but for your initial mis-spell!!!!
(just joking)
Armin Theissen, 'e' first!
I just checked that Microsoft Word is makein a 'theism' out of 'Theissen'.
cheers
Armin
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59
pm
Subject: Amsterdam concert
Really-From: voorn@m... (Michel Voorn)
Hello All,
Where can I find more information about the Amsterdam concert on 20 april ?
Greetings
Michel
--
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* Internet/E-mail: voorn@m... *
* Homepage : http://www.xs4all.nl/~voorn *
* BBS (MIVO) : +31 79 3318427 *
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 5:46
pm
Subject: Re: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates wanted?
Really-From: Vic Rek
At 11:10 AM 2/14/97 EST, you wrote:
>Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...>
>Vincent G.:
>
>You're absolutely right--not only **should** I have referred to the 1986, 1988,
>and 1992 tours as North American tours (TD played plenty of Canadian dates on
>those tours, for sure), but I called the 1992 tour a 'USA tour' and ***then***
>said there were extant fan recordings from Toronto and Montreal! Sorry 'bout
>that--chalk that one up to boneheaded Yankee Americentrism. :-)
>
Enough of these apologies and self-criticism already!!!
Vic
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 5:46
pm
Subject: Re: The TD Roots Collection and....
Really-From: Vic Rek
At 09:46 AM 2/14/97, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>I am surprised that nobody is discussing:
>
> 1) The TD Roots Collection
> 2) Supernatural Fairy Tales - The Progressive Rock Era
>
>The latter is a compilation by Archie Patterson (of Eurock fame) and David
>McLees. If you are interested in getting a feel for how our listening ears
>(actually brains) have evolved over the years (listeners of my age, that
>is), this collection of 50+ tracks is NOT to be missed.
>
Just a note for you K. Schulze collectors. On Supernatural Fairy Tales
there is an unreleased track by Klaus Schulze from 1970 as well as Ash Ra
Tempel.
I think Eurock is selling them for $60 postage paid in the US.
Vic
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 7:23
am
Subject: Re: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates wanted?
Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> >said there were extant fan recordings from Toronto and Montreal! Sorry 'bout
> >that--chalk that one up to boneheaded Yankee Americentrism. :-)
> >
> Enough of these apologies and self-criticism already!!!
Yeah....y'all are sounding *like* Canadians!
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'I used to be indecisive,
but now I just don't know'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 6:26
pm
Subject: Re: various comments
Really-From: slawlor
If I wanted to make my cat more psychotic than she already is, which
might almost be impossible, I could blare Alpha Centaury, (I think that's
the correct spelling), or KS Erlitche'. I know from experience that my
cat doesn't like Velvet Underground or too much John Zorn.
scott K. Lawlor
http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 6:28
pm
Subject: Re: various comments
Really-From: slawlor
By the way, how many disk does Tangerine Dream have out as of now. I
thought it was around 50 or so. thanks for the information.
scott K. Lawlor
http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 6:44
pm
Subject: can you post this
thank you
Subject: ĦĦMAKE MONEY!! -easy and legal
From: DOLLAR
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 01:25:40 +0100
Message-ID: <33010DFB.72F8@m...>
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#4,....$50.00 in your pocket!
Now these 50 new people will make 250 postings each with your
name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500.
They make 250 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000
postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash!
Finally, 5,000 people make 250 postings each with your name at
#1 and you get a return of $60,000 before your name drops off
the list. And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 250
postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000.
From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list,
you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again.
The end result depends on you. You must follow through
and repost this article everywhere you can think of.
The more postings you make, the more cash ends up in
your mailbox. It's too easy and too cheap to pass up!!!
So thats it. Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh? But believe me, it
works. There are millions of people surfing the net every day, all
day, all over the world. And 100,000 new people get on the net
every day. You know that, you've seen the stories in the paper.
So, my friend, read and follow the simple instructions and play
fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to it. Print this out
right now so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep
an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is
playing fairly. You know where your name should be.
If you're really not sure or still think this can't be
for real, then don't do it. But please print this article and pass
it along to someone you know who really needs the bucks, and see
what happens.
REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T
NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE BUCKS!
GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL
WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH!
*** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages
with your name in the list and not sending the bucks to the people
already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this
and only got about $150 (and that's after two months). Then he sent
the 5 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had
over $10,000!
TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!! :o) !!!!!!!!!!
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 7:06
pm
Subject: Re: can you post this
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
thank you
>Subject: =A1=A1MAKE MONEY!! -easy and legal
>From: DOLLAR
Looks like we got another spammer, Dave.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:26
am
Subject: Re: can you post this
Really-From: Sean Montgomery
No, you can't. Take your make-money-quick twaddle somewhere else!
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'I used to be indecisive,
but now I just don't know'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 7:42
pm
Subject: Re: can you post this
Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
Can anyone with the required internet/system admin knowledge verify if this
idiot's e-mail address ('From: DOLLAR ') is legit so that
we can spam them in return?
For the record, if any of us believe that pyramic can work, look at it this
way: if you were to _start_ your own pyramid instead of joining someone
else's, you would still have to do all the mailing, addressing, etc,
*WITHOUT* having to pay out some dude. Of course, in that case, _anyone_
you try to recruit may reach the same conclusion, and thus will not join
*your* pyramid. Conclusion: it cannot work. Only idiot would contribute.
Only bastards will spam us with such postings.
I guess this is another one that must be filtered out, right Mr. Datta?
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 7:53
pm
Subject: Re: various comments
Really-From: Vic Rek
At 01:26 PM 2/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: slawlor
>
>If I wanted to make my cat more psychotic than she already is, which
>might almost be impossible, I could blare Alpha Centaury, (I think that's
>the correct spelling), or KS Erlitche'. I know from experience that my
>cat doesn't like Velvet Underground or too much John Zorn.
>
Scott,
What in the hell is this post supposed to be about?
By the way, you spelled BOTH albums incorrectly. Go look them up!
Vic
>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 3:56
am
Subject: Help me, Spock...
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi all,
Last time on StarTrek:Deep Space Nine hikonen@m...(Harri Ikonen) wrote :
>>>As far as I can remember, the Ginger Lynn tape was called 'Ginger's
>>>Greatest' or something like that, but the other one is beyond recall.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Wow! Isn't this a Klaus Schultze disc? Aw naw! Please tell me Klaus isn't
>> making blue movies! That's a horrible thought!
>
>No, he's not. I meant to say that I cannot recall the title of the other
>movie, but unfortunately picked a wrong expression for that purpose. My
>apologies for the confusion.
Hey! I thought this was a pretty good joke! ;) The thought of Klaus on
stage is bad enough : the thought of Klaus in his birthday suit makes me
wanna gag! ;)
>> >'Risky Business' was released in 1983.
>>
>> I don't have this album - too much none TD and most of those tracks
>> featured turn up on Tangram anyway - but isn't one of the titles something
>> like 'Get off the babysitter...'. Now that's a cool title. I remember going
>> to a Moog synthesiser demo years ago where the demonstrator played a
>> composition entitled 'Richard, don't lock me out' or 'Don't shut the door
>> on me dick...'. Funny the sort of things that stick in your head isn't it?
>
>Sorry to nitpick, but the tracks are actually from 'Exit' and 'Force Majeure'
>
>'No Future (Get Off the Babysitter)' - 'Exit'
>'Guido the Killer Pimp' - 'Cloudburst Flight'
>'Lana' - 'Force Majeure'
Yep! Ya's right but...the most memorable bit of the film has to be the
openning sequence from 'Tangram'. I would get in a blue movie with Klaus if
I could only write one sequence as brilliant as that! Was the sublime 'Love
on a Real Train' released on any disc other than 220v Live. I played that
section of video over and over again until the ferrite rubbed off the tape.
(Of course, Rebecca De Mornay had something to do with it as well...) That
tiny section of music with it's sampled choirs and simple repeating theme
are s..o.. special. The only other piece of TD movie music that comes close
is from 'The Keep' (Logos) where the troopers are bouncing down the stairs
towards...whatever. Why is this so good? On the face of it, this tune just
does not match the visuals at all but it works so well. Much puzzlement. An
inspired choice from Edgar, Micheal Mann or just good luck?
>> Anyway, Ginger Lynn is still going strong too : churning out more dodgy
>> material than Edgar Froese these days.
>She's indeed active, but in mainstream films. She left the x-rated business
>in late 1980s.
Probably a good thing. That other stalwart of the X movie business, Tracy
Lords, jumped ship not so long ago too. What is the world coming to?
Cheers
David
np : Nervana : Nevermind (Disco Mix)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 9:08
pm
Subject: Re: can you post this
Really-From: Michael Richard
Hi!
>Subject: ĦĦMAKE MONEY!! -easy and legal
>From: DOLLAR
>Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 01:25:40 +0100
>Message-ID: <33010DFB.72F8@m...>
Maybe i'm the only one, but i really HATE to see such message in such
mailling list. I think you're not on the right place to post your message.
See ya!
:) Michael (:
(\__/)
(..) _) Michael Richard - michael_richard@i...
/\/\ ( BBS La Jungle : (819) 533-3520
(m__m)_)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 9:07
pm
Subject: Spherical Harmonics
Really-From: Vic Rek
Spherical Harmonics Information.
Details:
Spherical Harmonics One - UK Mirage Sound CDV 103, Detroit USA 9/88?, rel. 1994
Spherical Harmonics Part 2 - Italy? Magnificent Music Corp., CD-R, rel. 1995?
Spherical Harmonics Part 2 nicely compliments the pressed CD bootleg release
of Spherical Harmonics One.
The music quality is excellent on both! The is Tangerine Dream Live in 1988.
This release is a limited edition CD-R by the 'The Magnificent Music
Corporation of Italy', whoever they are.
Rumours have it that originally 70 copies were to be made, but I now hear
that there are about 100-120 copies floating around. The CD-R has the title
and some basic information printed on the disc.
Part One comes with a color front cover insert (some copies) and Part 2
comes with a color insert. There are no rear inserts on any of these that I
know of.
There are great releases to have for the music. If you are into artwork
also, then these are lacking a bit in that respect, especially on Part 2.
Vic
P.S. I welcome any corrections or additional information from you die hard
collectors.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: This List Made Me Learn How to Use a Computer!
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: Something Controversial(sp)
>Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 15:17:22 GMT
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Matt Williams
>
>[. . .] I don't know if it is me but this list doesn't seem to be as
>good as it was when I first came onto it [. . .] but now when I go into
>my mail folder and see loads of TD mail I just delete most of it just
>by reading the subjects.
I know exactly what you mean, and I concur. Three things that make
me blow a posting off entirely are:
1.) Album of the month (or week, or whatever it is)
2.) Anything to do with Klaus Schulze (sorry)
3.) Tech-intensive extended discussions of emusic hardware
I've been a TD fan since 1981 and on this list for about seven
years--in fact, it's because of this list that I made myself learn how
to use a computer!!!
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty.
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984.
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 2:54
am
Subject: Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...>
-snip-
> Fellow list member Mark Schaffer and I have undertaken to catalog
> tracklists from TD's 1980 tour shows up to the present day, in
> conjunction with the column we write for Voyager magazine on concert
> tapes. It's turned out to be a well-more difficult task than
> anticipated--although most tours contained mostly the same tracklists
> for each show within the tour, there are often slight variations that
> make sweeping statements about an entire tour difficult. However,
> scanning through many hours of tapes is bringing us nearer to consensus
> on many of the patterns of the tours. As we settle each tracklist to
> the best of our ability, we'll post the results to the list under the
> subject header 'TRACKLIST: 19XX tour'.
-snip-
Hello. I hope the attachment helps you. As you can see, I'm doing my
own research -- not down to the level of detail you are, but perhaps we
can help each other. Regards -- Mark
========================
Quick Chronology
========================
Notes
-----
This chronology is in the order of performance.
Commercial albums are listed by session dates not release dates.
All venues were studio sessions unless indicated otherwise.
Only major releases are listed here. Derivatives, compilations, and the
like are not listed here but are in the full discography.
---- 66 ----
LADY GREENGRASS/LOVE OF MINE
---- 69 ----
==== The Pink Years
Edgar Froese/Klaus Schulze/Conrad Schnitzler
[Nov 69] ELECTRONIC MEDITATION
---- 70 ----
Edgar Froese/Christoph Franke/Steve Shroyder
---- 71 ----
[Jan 71] ALPHA CENTAURI
Edgar Froese/Christoph Franke/Peter Baumann
Frankfurt University, Frankfurt [19 Jun 71]
International Music Forum, Ossiacher Lake, Austria [25 Jun-5 Jul 71]
---- 72 ----
[May 72] ZEIT
WDR-Sendesaal 'Klangwald,' Cologne [25 Nov 72]
Radio 'Klangkollage,' Berlin [?? ??? 72]
unknown concert 1972/73 [?? ??? 72]
---- 73 ----
[Jan 73] ATEM
Les Ponts de Ce, ???... [20 May 73]
[??? 73] GREEN DESERT (just EF/CF)
==== The Virgin Years (from the record company, Virgin Records)
RIAS-Musikfestival, Deutschlandhalle, Berlin [29 Nov 73]
[Dec 73] PHAEDRA
---- 74 ----
[Mar 74] AQUA
[Jun 74] OVERTURE TO OEDIPUS TYRANNUS
Chichester Festival, Chichester [29 Aug 74]
Nationalgalerie, Berlin [13 Oct 74]
British Tour 74
City Hall, Sheffield [29 Oct 74]
Town Hall, Birmingham [30 Oct 74]
Stadium, Liverpool [2 Nov 74]
Kelvin Hall, Glasgow [20 Nov 74]
St.Georges Hall, Bradford [26 Nov 74]
City Hall, Sheffield [29 Nov 74]
Rheims Cathedral, Rheims [13 Dec 74]
---- 75 ----
[Jan 75] RUBYCON
Australian Tour 75 (Michael Hoenig fills in for Peter)
Dallas Brooks Hall, Melbourne [13 Mar 75]
Festival Theatre, Adelaide [25 Mar 75]
Royal Albert Hall, London [2 Apr 75]
[Apr 75] SORCERER -OST-
[Jul 75] EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE
Orange Festival, Orange, France [16 Aug 75]
French & British Tour [Autumn 75] RICOCHET
Rheims Opera, Rheims [23 Sep 75]
Coventry Cathedral, Coventry [4 Oct 75]
Colston Hall, Bristol [5 Oct 75]
Town Hall, Birmingham [12 Oct 75]
Liverpool Cathedral, Liverpool [16 Oct 75]
Apollo, Glasgow [17 Oct 75]
Minster, York [20 Oct 75]
Olympia, London [22 Oct 75]
Fairfield Hall, Croydon [23 Oct 75]
---- 76 ----
France-Benelux Tour 76
Palais des Sports, Paris [23 Jan 76]
Hippodrome, Paris [26 Jan 76]
Uni-Auditorium, Brussels [9 Feb 76]
RAI-Congresscentrum, Amsterdam [11 Feb 76]
British Tour 76
Free Trade Hall, Manchester [5 Jun 76]
Royal Albert Hall, London [7 Jun 76]
The Dome, Brighton [10 Jun 76]
Berlin Philharmonie, Berlin [27 Jun 76]
[Aug 76] STRATOSFEAR
European Tour 76
Stadthalle, Hannover [10 Oct 76]
Philipshalle, Dussledorf [21 Oct 76]
Cirkus-Krone-Bau, Munich [27 Oct 76]
Odeon, Edinburgh [3 Nov 76]
Usher Hall, Nottingham [8 Nov 76]
Guild Hall, Portsmouth [9 Nov 76]
Leeds University, Leeds [13 Nov 76]
Fairfield Hall, Croydon [14 Nov 76]
Free Trade Centre, Manchester [15 Nov 76]
Palais des Sports, Paris [22 Nov 76]
Ancienne Belgique, Brussels [26 Nov 76]
Centre Culturel, Toulouse [28 Nov 76]
---- 77 ----
First North American Tour 77 [Mar-Apr 77] ENCORE LIVE
Riverside Theater, Milwaukee [29 Mar 77]
Ford Auditorium, Detroit [31 Mar 77]
Convention Center Music Hall, Cleveland [2 Apr 77]
Lisner Auditorium, Washington DC [4 Apr 77]
Avery Fisher Hall, New York City [5 Apr 77]
Convocation Hall, Toronto [?? Apr 77]
Place des Arts, Montreal [10 Apr 77]
Hilton Convention Center, Quebec City [11 Apr 77]
Paramount Theater, Seattle [21 Apr 77]
Civic Auditorium, Santa Monica [25 Apr 77]
Second North American Tour 77
Greek Theater, Los Angeles [12 Jul 77]
? -second venue- ?
Edgar suffers equestrian accident - cuts tour off.
[Nov 77] AGES
Edgar Froese/Christoph Franke/Klaus Krieger/Steve Jolliffe
---- 78 ----
[??? 78] CYCLONE
Laserium Tour
Eissporthalle, Berlin [19 Feb 78]
Audimax, Hamburg [24 Feb 78]
Philipshalle, Dusseldorf [25 Feb 78]
Palais de la Beaujoire, Nantes [1 Mar 78]
Nuebo Pabelon, Barcelona [13 Mar 78]
City Hall, Newcastle [23 Mar 78]
Apollo, Glasgow [24 Mar 78]
Apollo, Manchester [25 Mar 78]
Empire, Liverpool [26 Mar 78]
Hammersmith Odeon, London [28 Mar 78]
Edgar Froese/Christoph Franke/Klaus Krieger
[Sep? 78] FORCE MAJEURE
---- 79 ----
Edgar Froese/Christoph Franke/Johannes Schmoelling
---- 80 ----
Palast Der Republik, E.Berlin [31 Jan 80] QUICHOTTE
[??? 80] TANGRAM
[Summer 80] THIEF -OST-
World Tour 80
Cirque Royal, Brussels [13 Oct 80]
Philipshalle, Dusseldorf [15 Oct 80]
CCH, Hamburg [16 Oct 80]
Centre Sportif, Luxembourg [17 Oct 80]
unknown place (Italy/Spain ??) [20 Oct 80]
Palasport, Bologna [23 Oct 80]
National Stadium, Dublin [1 Nov 80]
City Hall, Newcastle [2 Nov 80]
Guildhall, Preston [5 Nov 80]
Assembly Rooms, Derby [6 Nov 80]
Odeon, Birmingham [7 Nov 80]
Apollo, Manchester [8 Nov 80]
Victoria Apollo, London [9 Nov 80] (10 Nov 80 ?)
New Theatre, Oxford [12 Nov 80]
Royal Court, Liverpool [15 Nov 80]
Old Waldorf, San Francisco [20 Nov 80]
Civic Auditorium, Santa Monica [22 Nov 80]
---- 81 ----
European Tour 81
Eurogress, Aachen [21 Jan 81]
Eilenriedehalle, Hannover [24 Jan 81]
ICC, Berlin [26 Jan 81]
Alte Oper, Frankfurt [30 Jan 81]
Bataclan, Paris [2 Feb 81]
Palasport, Rome [6 Feb 81]
Palasport Pianelli, Cantu [7 Feb 81]
Apollo, Firenze [8 Feb 81]
Palasport, Cucciago [?? Feb 81]
[Jul 81] EXIT
Free Concert for Nuclear Disarmament and World Peace,
Platz der Republik, Berlin [29 Aug 81]
British Tour 81
New Theatre, Oxford [15 Oct 81]
Guildhall, Portsmouth [16 Oct 81]
Hammersmith Odeon, London [20 Oct 81]
City Hall, Sheffield [22 Oct 81]
City Hall, Manchester [24 Oct 81]
City Hall, Newcastle [25 Oct 81]
Usher Hall, Edinburgh [26 Oct 81]
Apollo, Glasgow [27 Oct 81]
Guildhall, Preston [28 Oct 81]
Royal Court, Liverpool [29 Oct 81]
Gemeindezentrum Lukaskirche, Gelsenkirchen [11 Nov 81]
'Klassik Rock Nacht' Cirkus-Krone-Bau, Munich [9 Dec 81]
---- 82 ----
[Jan 82] WHITE EAGLE
Australian Tour 82
Festival Theatre, Sydney [22 Feb 82]
Dallas Brooks Hall, Melbourne [1 Mar 82]
European Tour 82
Kurhalle Oberlaa, Wien [17 Oct 82]
Sportcsarnok, Budapest [19 Oct 82]
Alte Oper, Frankfurt [27 Oct 82]
Apollo, Glasgow [29 Oct 82]
Assembly Rooms, Derby [30 Oct 82]
Fairfield Hall, Croydon [31 Oct 82]
Apollo, Manchester [1 Nov 82]
Colston Hall, Bristol [2 Nov 82]
Apollo, Oxford [3 Nov 82]
City Hall, Sheffield [4 Nov 82]
Town Hall, Birmingham [5 Nov 82]
Dominion Theatre, London [6 Nov 82] LOGOS LIVE
Uni-Auditorium, Brussles [8 Nov 82]
Rosengarten, Mannheim [10 Nov 82]
Philipshalle, Dusseldorf [11 Nov 82]
Cirkus-Krone-Bau, Munich [12 Nov 82]
ICC, Berlin [15 Nov 82]
Sportcsarnok, Budapest [19 Nov 82]
[??? 82] DIE MELODIE AUS DEM GLEICHNAMIGEN TATORT -OST-
[??? 82] THE KEEP -OST- * THE COMPLETE WORKS OF THE KEEP -OST-
---- 83 ----
[May 83] PINNACLES
Fassbinder Memorial Concert, Alte Oper, Frankfort [11 Jun 83]
Japanese Tour 83
Kohseinenkin Hall, Tokyo [23 Jun 83]
Nakano Sun Plaza Hall, Tokyo [25 Jun 83]
Festival Hall, Osaka [28 Jun 83]
[??? 83] WAVELENGTH -OST-
[Aug 83] HYPERBOREA
[??? 83] RISKY BUSINESS -OST-
==== The Blue Years
Hygienemuseum, Dresden [26 Nov 83]
Torwar Ice Stadium, Warsaw [10 Dec 83] POLAND
---- 84 ----
[??? 84] FIRESTARTER -OST-
[??? 84] FLASHPOINT -OST-
[??? 84] HEARTBREAKERS -OST-
[??? 84] THE PARK IS MINE -OST-
[??? 84] STREET HAWK -OST-
---- 85 ----
[Feb 85] LE PARC
Edgar Froese/Christoph Franke/Paul Haslinger
[??? 85] LEGEND -OST-
[??? 85] SHY PEOPLE -OST-
---- 86 ----
European Tour 86
DeMontford Hall, Leicester [9 Mar 86]
City Hall, Sheffield [10 Mar 86]
City Hall, Newcastle [11 Mar 86]
Edinburgh Playhouse, Edinburgh [12 Mar 86]
Guildhall, Preston [13 Mar 86]
Apollo, Manchester [14 Mar 86]
Fairfield Hall, Croydon [16 Mar 86]
Odeon, Birmingham [17 Mar 86]
Victoria Hall, Hanley [18 Mar 86]
Royal Court, Liverpool [19 Mar 86]
Conference Centre, Harrogate [21 Mar 86]
Royal Centre, Nottingham [22 Mar 86]
The Ritz, Lincoln [23 Mar 86]
The Dome, Brighton [24 Mar 86]
Apollo, Oxford [26 Mar 86]
Hammersmith Odeon, London [27 Mar 86]
WDR-Sendesaal, Cologne [29 Mar 86]
Olympia, Paris [31 Mar 86]
[Apr 86] UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT
North American Tour 86
EXPO'86, Vancouver [30 May 86]
Paramount Theater, Seattle [31 May 86]
Arlene Schnitzler (Theater?), Portland [1 Jun 86]
Warfield Theater, San Francisco [3 Jun 86]
Universal City Amphitheater, Los Angeles [5 Jun 86]
Irvine Meadows Amphitheater, Laguna Hills [6 Jun 86]
Kiva Auditorium, Albuquerque [8 Jun 86]
Paramount Theater, Denver [11 Jun 86]
Bonner Springs Amphitheater, Kansas City [13 Jun 86]
Riviera Theater, Chicago [15 Jun 86]
Oriental Theater, Milwaukee [17 Jun 86]
Place des Arts, Montreal [19 Jun 86]
National Arts Center, Ottawa [20 Jun 86]
Massey Hall, Toronto [21 Jun 86]
Meadowbrook Music Festival, Rochester [23 Jun 86]
Convention Center Music Hall, Cleveland [24 Jun 86]
Tower Theater, Philadelphia [25 Jun 86]
Orpheum Theater, Boston [26 Jun 86]
Performing Arts Center, Providence [27 Jun 86]
Beacon Theater, New York City [28 Jun 86]
Warner Theater, Washington [29 Jun 86]
Mill Valley Film Festival, Warfield Theater, San Francisco [15 Nov 86]
---- 87 ----
[Feb 87] TYGER
[??? 87] DEADLY CARE -OST-
Reichstag, Berlin [1 Aug 87]
Platz der Republik, Berlin [8 Aug 87] LIVEMILES
[??? 87] NEAR DARK -OST-
[??? 87] THREE O'CLOCK HIGH -OST-
[Nov 87] THE CANYON DREAMS -OST- * CANYON DREAMS -OST-
Edgar Froese/Paul Haslinger
---- 88 ----
==== The Melrose Years (from Melrose Av, Private Music's street in LA)
[May 88] OPTICAL RACE
North American Tour 88
Poplar Creek Music Theater, Hoffman Estates, Illinois [25 Aug 88]
Riverside Theater, Milwaukee [26 Aug 88]
Ohio Theater, Columbus [29 Aug 88]
Nautica Stage, Cleveland [30 Aug 88]
Pine Knob Music Theater, Detroit [31 Aug 88]
Massey Hall, Toronto [1 Sep 88]
La Ronde, Montreal [2 Sep 88]
Agora Theater, Quebec [3 Sep 88]
Somerville Theater, Boston [6 Sep 88]
Radio City Music Hall, New York City [7 Sep 88]
Kennedy Center, Washington [8 Sep 88]
Palace Theater, New Haven [9 Sep 88]
Tower Theater, Philadelphia [10 Sep 88]
Van Wezel Auditorium, Sarasota [14 Sep 88]
Cameo Theater, Miami [15 Sep 88]
Saenger Theater, New Orleans [17 Sep 88]
Starplex Amphitheater, Dallas [18 Sep 88]
California Auditorium, San Diego [21 Sep 88]
Wiltern Theater, Los Angeles [22 Sep 88]
Berkeley Community Center, Berkeley [24 Sep 88]
Paramount Theater, Seattle [27 Sep 88]
Queen Elizabeth Theater, Vancouver [28 Sep 88]
[??? 88] DEAD SOLID PERFECT -OST-
[??? 88] MIRACLE MILE -OST-
---- 89 ----
[Aug 89] LILY ON THE BEACH
[??? 89] CATCH ME... IF YOU CAN -OST-
[??? 89] DESTINATION BERLIN -OST-
Edgar Froese/Paul Haslinger/Jerome Froese
---- 90 ----
'Brand'n'Burger Concert',
Werner-Seelenbinder-Halle, E.Berlin [20 Feb 90]
[Jul 90] MELROSE
British Tour 90
Assembly Hall, Worthing [25 Oct 90]
Hammersmith Odeon, London [26 Oct 90]
Hammersmith Odeon, London [27 Oct 90]
Apollo, Manchester [28 Oct 90]
Royal Centre, Nottingham [29 Oct 90]
City Hall, Sheffield [30 Oct 90]
Edinburgh Playhouse, Edinburgh [31 Oct 90]
St.Georges Hall, Bradford [2 Nov 90]
Civic Hall, Wolverhampton [3 Nov 90]
Apollo, Oxford [4 Nov 90]
Colston Hall, Bristol [6 Nov 90] ANTARKTIS
[??? 90] L'AFFAIRE WALLRAFF (THE MAN INSIDE) -OST-
---- 91 ----
[??? 91]
ONE NIGHT IN MEDINA/I JUST WANT TO RULE MY OWN LIFE WITHOUT YOU
---- 92 ----
[??? 92] HIGHWAY TO HELL -OST-
==== The Seattle Years (from Miramar Productions' location, Seattle)
Edgar Froese/Jerome Froese
[??? 92] ROCKOON
[??? 92] QUINOA
[??? 92] TYGER-CD double bonus remix/additions
Edgar Froese/Jerome Froese/Zlatko Perica/Linda Spa
North American Tour 92 [Oct 92] 220 VOLT LIVE
Music Hall, Toronto [4 Oct 92]
Place des Arts, Montreal [5 Oct 92]
Berklee Performance Center, Boston [8 Oct 92]
Beacon Theater, New York City [9 Oct 92]
Upper Derby Tower Theater, Philadelphia [10 Oct 92]
Lisner Auditorium, Washington [13 Oct 92]
Palace Theater, Columbus [14 Oct 92]
Shriver Hall, Baltimore [15 Oct 92]
Front Row Theater, Cleveland [16 Oct 92]
Vic Theater, Chicago [17 Oct 92]
Fox Theater, Detroit [20 Oct 92]
???, Seattle [25 Oct 92] THREE PHASE -OST-
San Juan Capistrano Coach House [28 Oct 92]
Wiltern Theater, Los Angeles [30 Oct 92]
Ventura Theater, Ventura [1 Nov 92]
---- 93 ----
[??? 93] DREAMTIME
---- 94 ----
[??? 94] TURN OF THE TIDES
[??? 94] STORY OF THE BRAVE
[Sep 94] TYRANNY OF BEAUTY (just EF/JF)
---- 95 ----
[Apr 95] THE DREAM MIXES (just EF/JF)
S.I.R. Theater, Los Angeles [12 Jul 95]
==== The Castle? Years (from the record company, Castle Productions)
---- 96 ----
[??? 96] ZONING -OST- (just EF/JF)
[??? 96] OASIS -OST-
[Jul 96] GOBLINS' CLUB (just EF/JF)
Shepherds Bush Empire, London [30 Nov 1996]
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 4:00
am
Subject: Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message
Really-From: Mark Filipak
-snip-
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> ========================
> Quick Chronology
> ========================
Sorry fellow listees. I didn't intend my previous post to go to the
list. Please excuse the bandwidth consumption. -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 6:42
am
Subject: (no subject)
Really-From: Mark Filipak
who ambient
who tadream
who space-music
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 6:45
am
Subject: Who?
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Sorry folks. I goofed. Meant those requests to go to the majordomo
servers of course. Please pardon the interruption. Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 2:10
pm
Subject: Re: can you post this
Really-From: Jeff Kortsch
tadream mailing list wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject: ĦĦMAKE MONEY!! -easy and legal
> From: DOLLAR
> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 01:25:40 +0100
> Message-ID: <33010DFB.72F8@m...>
>
> Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life.
>
It probably took five minutes to receive!
This kind of spamming only sucks up bandwidth and clogs mailboxs.
Why don't you post this at dontcare@n...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 8:26
pm
Subject:
Really-From: Armin Theissen
>
>If I wanted to make my cat more psychotic than she already is, which
>might almost be impossible, I could blare Alpha Centaury, (I think that's
>the correct spelling), or KS Erlitche'. I know from experience that my
>cat doesn't like Velvet Underground or too much John Zorn.
>
>
>scott K. Lawlor
>http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor
>
>
Not Alpha Centaury, but Alpha Centauri, genitive singluar of 'Centaurus'
(latin, though 'alpha' is greek).
Armin
Armin Theissen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Armagh Observatory email: ath@s...
College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen
Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928
Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Re: Mark's Tourlist
Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...>
>>Subject: Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message
>>Really-From: Mark Filipak
>>Old Waldorf, San Francisco [20 Nov 80]<<
Actually, this show was at the Warfield.(My all-time favorite concert)
Also, there were two shows in L.A. at the Wiltern during the '88 tour.
>>Bob<<
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Re: Kirby's Cat
Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...>
>>I've noticed that our cat reacts similarly to just about every TD album: she
>>stares vacantly into space, occasionally begs for food, and eventually goes
back
>>to sleep.
That's funny. There's a number of people here in San Francisco who act this way.
You don't suppose they're TD fans do you?
>>Bob<<
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 2:32
pm
Subject: A few Videos for Sale
Really-From: Vic Rek
I've got a few original VHS NTSC format Tangerine Dream related videos for sale:
1. Oasis (all orig. TD music) new $20
2. Red Heat (TD strk) new $15
3. The Soldier (TD strk) used $9
4. Vision Quest (some TD in strk) new $10
5. The Gate (strk by M. Hoenig) new $9
6. The Blob (strk by M. Hoenig) new $10
7. Sorcerer (TD strk) new $18
E-mail me privately if interested.
Vic
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 4:14
pm
Subject: new cassette available
Really-From: slawlor
Hi there. I wanted to let you know about the release of my first
full length cassette 'Little Moments.'
This recording features a variety of tracks from the quiet and
serene passages in 'Immortal Love', to the dance oriented rhythms
in 'Eve of Morning' and Limitless Visibility.'
To learn more about this
new and exciting release, visit the following page:
http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor/music/index.html. There you will
find a song list and sound samples of some of the material on the
cassette. To purchase this tape, leave me electronic mail
inquiring about the details.
scott K. Lawlor
http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 4:35
pm
Subject: The Dream Roots
Really-From: 'Michael W. Daniels'
Here and there I've seen mention of a 5-disc set, The Dream Roots
Collection that was supposed to be released last year. Was it? What is it?
Mike Daniels
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 4:12
pm
Subject: general ?s
Really-From: kwb10@l... (Kenneth W. Beal)
I am new to this list and have a couple of inquiries and comments.
First...about myself. I'm currently working on my bachelors degree at
california state university, fresno (in California), studying Education of
the Deaf. I'm 46 years old...been at TD fan since 1986.
I find that whatever direction TD goes there is always something to like
about the music. Granted there are some selections that are not quite up to
snuff, but then, everything can't be a '10', just as every person isn't a
'10'. I mean, I enjoy listening to whatever era of TD music suits my fancy
at any given time. I even (now don't banish me from the list for this) like
disco (my age is showing).
Anyway, just wanted to say hello
Oh, almost forgot, are there any places on the internet that are good for
buying and selling used electronic music CDs?
Talk to ya all later.
ken
kwb10@l...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 5:58
pm
Subject: Re: Spherical Harmonics
Really-From: rch@g...
At 16:07 14/02/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>
>Spherical Harmonics Information.
>
>Details:
>Spherical Harmonics One - UK Mirage Sound CDV 103, Detroit USA 9/88?, rel. 1994
>Spherical Harmonics Part 2 - Italy? Magnificent Music Corp., CD-R, rel. 1995?
>
>Spherical Harmonics Part 2 nicely compliments the pressed CD bootleg release
>of Spherical Harmonics One.
>
>The music quality is excellent on both! The is Tangerine Dream Live in 1988.
>
>This release is a limited edition CD-R by the 'The Magnificent Music
>Corporation of Italy', whoever they are.
>
>Rumours have it that originally 70 copies were to be made, but I now hear
>that there are about 100-120 copies floating around. The CD-R has the title
>and some basic information printed on the disc.
>
>Part One comes with a color front cover insert (some copies) and Part 2
>comes with a color insert. There are no rear inserts on any of these that I
>know of.
>
>There are great releases to have for the music. If you are into artwork
>also, then these are lacking a bit in that respect, especially on Part 2.
>
>Vic
>
>P.S. I welcome any corrections or additional information from you die hard
>collectors.
>
Sorry to correct you, Vic
SH 1 has complete cover and inlay artwork!
Some copies also have a small sticker on the front saying TD live 1988...
Richard
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 7:56
pm
Subject: Re:
Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>
>
> > Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuli /Sasha Sekulich)
> >
> > Currently in possession of: Atem :) and Destination Berlin :)))
> >
> I think most on the list would suggest that you couldn't
> have picked a more extreme two albums to start with. As
> Gabe said, it'll be interesting to see which of these
> (IMHO) two separate camps you end preferring.
er, when did I say this? While it's true my first 2 TD albums were
_Phaedra_ and _Rockoon_, I didn't suggest anything about the
preferences...what camps do you mean? It usually seems to be either 'old
TD' or 'all TD'. I don't know anybody who likes ONLY new TD.
> Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
Gabe
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59
pm
Subject: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates wanted?
Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner)
>but if list members would find a FULL listing of each tour's dates
>useful, we could certainly provide that and indicate which ones we know
>fantapes exist for. (In doing so, we would have to give much credit
>to 'Voices in the Dunes' and its creators for info on concerts that no
>fantape exists for.)
Well, give credit to whom credit is due, but why not extend their
(our ;-) work.. To make it a real reference list for us tape collectors,
I'd like it to be in the format of kdm's 'The Works'. A list of all
venues of a tour, and where a fantape is known he adds a (fantape exists,
112 min). Because, of course, we're also interested in those missing
encores, aren't we ?
The tracklist for the Berlin '87 show was announced during the radio
broadcast, do you have it ? Thinking of it : 'official' radio broadcasts
should be mentioned as well.
-klaus-
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 15, 1997 10:32
pm
Subject: Concert tape trade
At 14:42 97·02·13 EST, you wrote:
>Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...>
>20) July 1995 LA S.I.R. Theater (one-off show)
While cleaning my room I uncovered this heretofore thought lost
'gem' It's the edited master (the master, a 100 minute used at the venue.
It was recorded over by a young nephew) which means I edited out some intro
material (a false start by announcer) and some pluggery that bridged the
encore. The volume the venue used was set too loud and it was only after
listening to the tape did I discover that some idiot sound tech forgot to
turn off a drum machine used as background music! This only lasts ~3-5
minutes into the performance. The sound quality is not the best/greatest
and it's in monaural. The material is pretty much stuff from _Dream_Mixes_.
Other things to note. Edgar's station is centre stage, apparently
the first time since TD started performing. The guitarist was temporary and
was being tried out by TD. He had a thick German accent and looked like a
pierced, tattooed, long haired, version of a young Terry Gilliam. IMHO, I
thought he was pretty good.
The positive side is you get to hear our Tadream ML's very own Bob
Forman yelling for Edgar to play guitar at the end.
I'd be willing to trade a tape copy of this show for a tape copy of
one of the following shows:
14) May-June 1986 USA tour
LA - Universal Ampitheatre (did anybody else here but me, get the
Tour Jacket?(mine's NFS, sorry) Or would like to sell me their _Le_Parc_
umbrella?)
16) August-Sept 1988 USA tour
LA - Wiltern Theatre
>19) Oct-Nov 1992 USA tour
San Juan Capistrano - Coach House
LA - Wiltern Theatre
Any takers?
Please contact off-list
tnx
'The world of music is something on its own. It's absolutely dust-free, clear,
and clean. Music is one of the most neutral things on earth. It symbolizes
the 'highest frequency' of all art forms in its abstract, neutral
manner.' - Edgar Froese
/^\
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 12:05
am
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream Evolution
Really-From: TheSmitter@a...
All right, are the SBM recordings really that much better??? I was hoping to
avoid rebuying these TD cds but as it so happens, Tangram is my favorite
(right above Force Majeure). Was it worth the extra money to you? I'm not so
sure I would be able to tell the difference between the SBM and my Virgin
copy.
Larry
<< You haven't heard Tangram! You are deprived! You must get/listen to
it. I think it is one of their best. I believe most folks on this list
would
agree. I think of Tangram and a TD staple. If you want to pick it up
now,
you are in luck because they just re-released it as an SBM with the
original
red cover.
>>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 4:58
am
Subject: Re: Spherical Harmonics
Really-From: Vic Rek
>>P.S. I welcome any corrections or additional information from you die hard
>>collectors.
>>
>Sorry to correct you, Vic
>
>SH 1 has complete cover and inlay artwork!
>Some copies also have a small sticker on the front saying TD live 1988...
>
>Richard
>
Please describe the inlay artwork.
Also please note! When we talk about bootleg releases you have to be aware
that a title can be released in various configurations (i.e. no cover, no
inlay, different covers, different color disc, etc.), so in this case you
have identified a variant release of Spherical Harmonics One. Thanks for
the additional information.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 7:22
am
Subject: Re: various comments
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-02-14 13:30:26 EST, you write:
<< If I wanted to make my cat more psychotic than she already is, ...........
scott K. Lawlor >>
Strange! My daughter's cat never pays any attention, no matter
what music is playing, or how loud. But, even during the most God-awful
deafening racket emerging from the Hi-Fi, if someone should open the
refrigerator in the next room, he's right there, drooling. He must have an
excellent auditory filtration system.
Phil N.
P.S. -- TD content? Less than zero! Sorry!
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 7:22
am
Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-02-13 11:42:49 EST, you write:
<<
Phil, I don't want to sound offensive, but did you get up
on the wrong side of the bed this morning. This doesn't
sound like the usual sort of post from your quarter, or am
I confusing you with some of the other Phil's on the list?
>>
Sorry, everyone, for my peevishness. I was thrown off AOL and
Compuserve in no uncertain terms for trying to change my billing proceedures.
And it took almost a week plus hours and hours of waiting on hold on the
telepone, just to get through to customer service to put things 'right'. Oh,
woe is me! My life is a living Hell.
One of the many Phils on the list - Phil N.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 7:22
am
Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-02-13 15:36:02 EST, you write:
<< < Dozens` haven't done any >>
Klaus Schulze (Now Playing!)?
whoa there good buddy...lets not start a ks hasnt done anything decent
thread....
-------------------------------------------------------------
No! I was talking about universal appeal. Which is not the same as 'good'.
Music which appeals to a major quadrant. Something for everybody.
KS's work is better than decent, IMO, or I wouldn't have a copy or two of
everything he's ever done.
---------------------------------------------------------------
>> if you don't have a significant element of discussion to add to
the fray then it can be illiminated.
>
do u mean eliminated or illuminated?
>>
-----------------------------------
Phil N.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 7:21
am
Subject: Re: Brain Catalog Number System
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-02-07 03:08:16 EST, Mark writes:
<<
Hello all. Just a little off-topic so I'll be brief. My recollection
is that Brain's original issues had olive green labels and '60 xxx'
catalog numbers while the reissues had colorful labels and '0060 xxx'
catalog numbers. >>
I'm ignorant of these types of specifics, and I only have a few
Brain LP recordings (mostly Klaus Schulze) and a few of these have no
similarities in numbering to your examples. They might be bootlegs, I
suppose.
Schulze's Cyborg - 2/1078
Schulze's Moondawn - 1088 (0649)
Schulze's Irrlicht - 1077
The rest more or less conform to your descriptions.
Phil N.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 8:03
am
Subject: 'Tangram' new release on Caroline
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Two days ago, 'Tangram' hit the shelves from Caroline (CAROL 1805-2).
It has the same insert as the new Virgin SBM (TAND 11) but the funky
purple backpaper similar to the Griffin release. And it has a sticker
claiming that it is the digital master. I would assume that TAND 11
will not be available in the US now that the Caroline issue is out. --
Mark
PS: I found this new Caroline issue at CD World for #10.47 and CD
Universe for $10.42, both with web pages and both are mail order.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 8:25
am
Subject: Re: Brain Catalog Number System
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: PNaunton@a...
>
> In a message dated 97-02-07 03:08:16 EST, Mark writes:
>
> <<
> Hello all. Just a little off-topic so I'll be brief. My recollection
> is that Brain's original issues had olive green labels and '60 xxx'
> catalog numbers while the reissues had colorful labels and '0060 xxx'
> catalog numbers. >>
>
> I'm ignorant of these types of specifics, and I only have a
> few Brain LP recordings (mostly Klaus Schulze) and a few of these have
> no similarities in numbering to your examples. They might be bootlegs,
> I suppose.
> Schulze's Cyborg - 2/1078
> Schulze's Moondawn - 1088 (0649)
> Schulze's Irrlicht - 1077
Phil. Yours are using Brain's original numbering system. It was then
changed to 60.xxx numbers (80.xxx for double albums) and finally to
0060.xxx numbers (0080.xxx for doubles). Apparently reissues were not
distingushed, so my recollection was wrong. As a note of interest, RCA
reissues did not have the 'eyeballs on pedistals' on each side of the
album name that distinguished the original issues.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 5:06
pm
Subject: Animal Instincts
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi all,
>Has anyone else noticed varying/qualitative responses to TD amongst the
>non-human animal kingdom?
Our cat, Baggins, used to get up and walk out if we put TD on. It didn't
matter what era, flavour, style...whatever: off he would go. Sometimes, he
would go to his litter tray. He was also fond of ambling into the studio,
padding across the master keyboard and reprogramming _all_ of the modules
as he went by stepping on the program buttons...
**** Important
University program on BBC2 called 'open saturday' which is playing the most
gorgeous piece of TD inspired music. It's very close to 'Love on a Real
Train'. Is this TD? Anyone care to have a listen next time this program
airs and put me out of my misery...
****
Normal programming will now resume...
Our three Dalmatians generally snooze through TD. But that's probably
because they're fat, lazy and thick and would probably sleep through the
arrival of the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
Cheers
David
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 5:58
pm
Subject: Names in general
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> Really-From: Armin Theissen
>
> I just checked and YOU'RE WRONG!
>
> If I write 'Armin Theissen' and do the Microsoft Word spell check,
> I get 'Armenia theism'. However, if I do this common mistake almost
> any british/irish/american does, namely mis-spelling my second name
> to 'Thiessen' (notice the order of 'i' and 'e'), then the result
> is as yours ('Thinnes').
>
Oops. Sorry.
On the subject of names, has anyone else noticed that there
seems to be very few 'normal' names on this list. Now
before anyone takes exception to that, I include myself in
that list. Of course, since this is a very cosmopolitan
list perhaps some of those I consider unusual are actually
common in particular countries.
But what a collection we have, just from Britain and North
America : Cordrey, Yedid, Goudreault (although I obviously
see the French influence there), Filipak, Maggio (Italian?)
and the others I haven't mentioned.
Lars seems to have the only 'common' name I know of
(Jones), but then again, maybe it's not very common in
America?
Is there some connection between unusual names, intellect
and TD music?
Or am I just off the edge again?
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi S3I
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
cordrey@m...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 6:15
pm
Subject: Re:
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
> > As
> > Gabe said, it'll be interesting to see which of these
> > (IMHO) two separate camps you end preferring.
>
> er, when did I say this? While it's true my first 2 TD albums were
> _Phaedra_ and _Rockoon_, I didn't suggest anything about the
> preferences...what camps do you mean? It usually seems to be either 'old
> TD' or 'all TD'. I don't know anybody who likes ONLY new TD.
Sorry if it wasn't you Gabe. Someone posted before me to
say they'd be interested to see how this new 'fan's tastes
would develop/change as he listened to more albums. That's
what I meant about camps. Will he plump for preferring the
OLD stuff or the NEW stuff. I think there are a few people
on the list who prefer the post-Franke stuff (or certainly
late-Franke).
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi S3I
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
cordrey@m...
---------------------------------------------
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 1:30
pm
Subject: 'Types' of listees
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>
> > Really-From: Gabe Yedid
> >
> > > As
> > > Gabe said, it'll be interesting to see which of these
> > > (IMHO) two separate camps you end preferring.
> >
> > er, when did I say this? While it's true my first 2 TD albums were
> > _Phaedra_ and _Rockoon_, I didn't suggest anything about the
> > preferences...what camps do you mean? It usually seems to be either
> > 'old TD' or 'all TD'. I don't know anybody who likes ONLY new TD.
>
> Sorry if it wasn't you Gabe. Someone posted before me to
> say they'd be interested to see how this new 'fan's tastes
> would develop/change as he listened to more albums. That's
> what I meant about camps. Will he plump for preferring the
> OLD stuff or the NEW stuff. I think there are a few people
> on the list who prefer the post-Franke stuff (or certainly
> late-Franke).
Gabe hit it right on the head, as he so often does. This list seems to
be divided into two 'camps'. One camp I shall call the 'analogue' fans,
for obvious reasons. The other camp I shall call the 'pragmatic' fans.
I count myself among the 'pragmatic' fans. I like all TD. I don't
prefer any particular period. I'm thankful that whatever my mood, there
seems to be a TD album to match. I'm not wildly enthusiastic about
_every_ album, there are some I'm lukewarm about, but I can't group them
into any particular period because they are spread out in time across
all incarnations of the band.
What's confusing the issue, IMHO, is that some 'analogue' fans continue
to insist that the division I describe is untrue; that the real division
is between 'OLD' stuff and 'NEW' stuff. I don't see it that way, I
never saw it that way, I see no profit in seeing it that way, and I wish
certain 'analogue' fans would just accept the fact that their view of
the situation is not accurate. To quote Gabe, 'I don't know anybody who
likes ONLY new TD'. I realize this is getting to be a meta-arguement
and will now bow out leaving this, my $2/100, behind. Regards -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 2:23
am
Subject: Ash Ra Tempel/Feb 11th,97 in Osaka Japan
Really-From: kawahara@g... (HERETIC)
Hi,
I had experienced the concert of Ash Ra Tempel in Osaka,Japan on Feb 11th.
Yes,Ash Ra Tempel,not Ash Ra.
the member and the song list are the following;
member:
Manuel Gottsching(g,key)
Harald Grosskopf(ds)
Lutz Ulbrich(g,key)
Steve Baldes(key)
songs list;
1.Echo Waves (Inventions For Electric Guitar '74)
2.Twelve Samples (Walkn' the Desert '89)
3.Six Voices (Walkn' the Desert '89)
4.Code Blue (Belle Alliance '80) ---unknown---
5.Four Guitars (Walkn' the Desert '89)
6.Sunrain (New Age of Earth '76)
7. ---unknown---
8.:encore Oasis (Correlations '79)
9.:encore2 ---unknown---
They played over two and half hours!!!
the sound was splended.
I'll review the article about this concert for EXPOSE'(U.S.A)
Meanwhile,does someone know about Steve Baldes ?
Dream On,
Hiro Kawahara of HERETIC
HERETIC HOME PAGE
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Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 3:31
am
Subject: sbm releases
Really-From: AslanFan1@a...
Whoa! Tangram released SBM version???? Please, for the sake of clarification,
was this released in the US, the UK, or what? Since this list is made up of
members around the world, it would be helpful to state which country the
releases mentioned originated from.
In response to the question regarding Dream Roots, I heard that it was
cancelled from release in the US but in the UK, it is readily available. I
got a copy from RPM Records, and the fifth disc of all new material contains
a couple of gems.
What is the release projection for the CD only of OASIS in the US? Anyone?
Also, I have the Man Inside soundtrack and the Vinyl single that includes
Dolphin Smile. How rare are these two items? I like them both very much.
I will state, despite going against the grain, that I have really enjoyed a
lot of the music from the 'Jerome' years. Especially Melrose, 220 Volts, Turn
of the Tides and Dream Mixes. Sorry. It's not the same stuff as the
Schmoelling era, but why would it be? It's still unlike anything else being
produced, and frankly, I think some of it's pretty cool. There. I said it.
(For those who love to bash Jerome, consider the early recordings of Edgar.
Then think about the contribution Jerome's made. I enjoy his guitar work. I
can't stand listening to Atem, Alpha Centauri or Electronic Meditation!)
Let us remember that if you don't like something, that doesn't mean it sucks.
You are making a statement about YOUR preferences, not the quality of the
music being produced. While I don't care for some of the new stuff (At
Darwin's Motel gives me a rash), I liked some of the 'older classics' just as
little (Rising Runner, No Man's Land, Tiergarten, etc.)
Does anyone else see the importance of distinguishing between a reaction to
someone's music and a definitive statement about how good it is? Just
wondering . . .
[BIO]
I'm 29, live in Colorado, do marketing/advertising for a living and listen to
TD for fun. Took my dad to the 1986 Albuquerque concert. He was the oldest
man there . . . and he loved it! By the way, that was not the music from
LIVEMILES.
Sorry this was so long. . . I was due for a little commentary.
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Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 4:00
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Subject: D: - - - - 'Turn Of The Tides' - - - -
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
10-Feb-1997
Tangerine Dream
'Turn Of The Tides'
Published - 1994
Purchased - 1994
Format - CD
Label - Miramar
Catalog - MPCD 2806
Personnel - Froese, Froese, Perica, Spa
When I bought this CD in '94 I couldn't wait to get it on the
player. When I did, though, I sat back to listen to what I hoped was a
rebirth of the golden days of yesteryear, and the title seemed to prophesied
just what I was hoping for. First the sound of thunder and then the sound of
a horse and carriage. Then the strains of Modest Mussorgsky's 'Pictures At
An Exhibition', as orchestrated by Maurice Ravel, emerged from my sound
system and I leaped out of my chair with a flurry of profanity to find out
who had switched the disc or the music or left the classical radio station
on. But it was the right disc, and it was playing, and the music was coming
through the speakers correctly. 'What's going on here.' I said. My tenuous
grasp on reality was becoming less and less firm, and I thought the room was
starting to spin. By this time the opening track was reaching its end and I
began to notice the 'thunderstorm' and the 'horse and carriage' sound
effects, as well as the trite chorded ending which made it sound like a
Sunday Morning Mass Processional Hymn reaching a conclusion. I noticed that
I was starting to mumble profanities again. Then followed the jangle of
electronic notes and I was whiplashed back to my expected reality. I'm lucky
I didn't get permanently injured from the abrupt change in direction.
Aside from that initial surprise, I like this album. Admittedly it
is alot of new age\pop\rock combo, but there is something intriguing about
the concept of this collection. It is tied together with the mystique of
Edgar's darkish tonalities, and that contrasts with the fluidity Spa's and
Perica's musicianship. It all works and comes together in a CD which I find
more satisfying than 'Goblins' Club'. I suppose this is because there is a
common theme which, although loose in my opinion, is more of a binder
enclosing the different selections. 'GC' is just too scattered to maintain
any continuity from one tune to the next.
Phil N.
From:
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Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 3:53
pm
Subject: D: Turn of the Tides
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
*** Standard Disclaimer : All My Own Opinion ***
This was the first TD CD I bought after joining the list.
The first one that I had warning was going to be released
and sostarted searching for it immediately. And soon found
it.
I think this has a definite shift from the other Seattle
Years stuff. It's more pop-y, rocky, whatever. Jungle
Journey and Turn of the Tides are outrageous pop tunes, the
latter reminding me of one of my old Wham! albums from the
early 80's.
Having said that, for some reason I liked this album when I
first got it. Liked it for a long time, in fact. Only in
the last month or so (after listening to other things,
including Goblin's Club) I have come to not enjoy it as
much, for some reason. Maybe because I always felt it was
better than Tyranny of Beauty and now it's not as good as
the new album.
So, this one gets a 3AS, although as time passes, even this
score is pushing it.
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi S3I
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
cordrey@m...
---------------------------------------------
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From:
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Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 1:41
pm
Subject: Complete tour lists?
Really-From: m.schaffer@i...
>
> Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner)
>
> Well, give credit to whom credit is due, but why not extend their
> (our ;-) work.. To make it a real reference list for us tape collectors,
> I'd like it to be in the format of kdm's 'The Works'. A list of all
> venues of a tour, and where a fantape is known he adds a (fantape exists,
> 112 min).
John and I did discuss this. There are pros and cons.
Pros: Completeness, of course - with a full list, you'd be able to check
what was potentially available - even if there's currently no extant tape
available. Plus, I'm sure some people would be interested in this
information anyway!
Cons: From an accuracy point of view, we can only truly substantiate those
tapes we know of, and it is a tape-cataloguing exercise, after all.
(Personally, I'm with the pros on this one.)
> Because, of course, we're also interested in those missing
> encores, aren't we ?
Not 'arf! Ask John, he knows all about missing encores :)
>
> The tracklist for the Berlin '87 show was announced during the radio
> broadcast, do you have it ?
Yes, but much to our chagrin (well, mine at least) it wasn't complete.
However, a fuller version should be on its way soon!
> Thinking of it : 'official' radio broadcasts
> should be mentioned as well.
Should they?
I think we should stick to one endeavour at a time! Otherwise the remit
could extent to television, written media.......we'd go mad.
(Well, madder than we already are, anyway)
Mark
--
===============================================================================
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Department Of Mathematics Hampstead gentleman.'
Imperial College (Monty Python's Flying Circus)
LONDON SW7 2BZ
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From:
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Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 2:01
pm
Subject: Mark's trade/sell list
Really-From: Mark Filipak
To request my trade/sell list, mailto:filipak@k...
IDM, electonica, ambient, prog, more...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 2:45
pm
Subject: Re: sbm releases
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-02-16 22:32:43 EST, you write:
<< Does anyone else see the importance of distinguishing between a reaction
to
someone's music and a definitive statement about how good it is? Just
wondering . . .
>>
Uh, nope.
Phil N.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 2:19
pm
Subject: Re: Mark's trade/sell list
Really-From: kwb10@l... (Kenneth W. Beal)
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
>
>To request my trade/sell list, mailto:filipak@k...
>IDM, electonica, ambient, prog, more...
I request your list.
thanx
ken
kwb10@l...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 10:14
pm
Subject: Is there any need for this?
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi all,
>Really-From: kwb10@l... (Kenneth W. Beal)
>I even (now don't banish me from the list for this) like
>disco (my age is showing).
Ladies and Gents : are we kind and generous enough to admit this disco fan
to our happy throng? Or do we have to draw the line somewhere? ;)
Cheers
David
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 3:42
pm
Subject: Re: Mark's trade/sell list
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: kwb10@l... (Kenneth W. Beal)
>
> >Really-From: Mark Filipak
> >
> >
> >To request my trade/sell list, mailto:filipak@k...
> >IDM, electonica, ambient, prog, more...
>
> I request your list.
>
> thanx
>
> ken
>
> kwb10@l...
My trade/sell list
Mark Filipak
333 Cobalt Way
Suite 107
Sunnyvale CA
94086
USA
I prefer to trade and welcome your trade list. Prices are for people
who gotta have it and have no trade list or have nothing I want.
__Shipping_to_addresses_in_North_America__
US/Canada/Mexico - shipping is by first class post (approx 4 days)
CDs to US/Canada/Mexico - shipping is included
LPs to US/Canada/Mexico - shipping is included
__Shipping_to_addresses_outside_North_America__
Outside North America - shipping is by air freight (approx 1 week)
CDs outside North America (without the jewelcase) - shipping is included
(disc and paper separately bagged and mailed in heavy cardboard mailer)
CDs outside North America (with the jewelcase) - add $1.50 per album
(disc internally and externally padded - heavy cardboard mailer)
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__Optional_Insurance__
Add 10 percent to price (after any discount) for all destinations
__Discounts__
(Quantities reduce shipping cost)
1 CD - no discount
2-4 CDs - take $.50 off the cost of each CD (including the 1st one)
5+ CDs - take $.75 off the cost of each CD (including the 1st one)
LPs - sorry, no discount
__Payment__
US funds only. No credit cards.
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Checks drawn against non-US banks will _not_ be accepted.
If sending cash (US currency only), hide well and registered letter is
recommended but I cannot be responsible for it under any circumstances.
'nuf business - on with the show
_idm_
$15 1-CD The Sabres of Paradise
'Versus Chemical Bros, Depth Charge, LFO, Nightmare on Wax:
Recut scenes from the Haunted Dancehall' 8 tracks
[1995] Sony/Warp (Japan), SRCS 7674
Japanese release includes 2 bonus tracks not found on UK version.
$9 1-CD System7
'power of seven' [1996] Hypnotic, CLP 9809-2
$6 1-CD5 Chemical Brothers (for Chem Bros completists)
'Life Is Sweet' [1995] Virgin, ASW6162PRCD (radio promo)
Three radio edits from 'Exit Planet Dust' TT: 10:11
_electronica/dub_
$8 1-CD Mouse On Mars
'vulvaland' [1994] too pure, 9 43015-2
Hear here: http://american.recordings.com/audio.shtml#too_pure
_ethnic-ambient_
$9 1-CD Khan & Taschner
'Black Marble & Sweet Fire' [1995] Hearts Of Space, HS11061-2
Review: http://www.hos.com/hs11061/index.html
_ambient/dark-ambient/spacemusic_
$10 1-CD Robert Fripp
'1999 Soundscapes-Live in Argentina' [1994] Discipline, DGM 9402 2
See: http://192.41.14.72/possible/sig2.html (different cover!)
$10 1-CD Lustmord *** Reserved 'til Monday, Feb 24. ***
'Heresy' [1990] Soleilmoon, SOL-9-CD
See: http://www.soleilmoon.com/catalog/sol.html
_progressive/symphonic_rock_
$30 1-LP SFF (Schicke, Fuhrs, Frohling)
'Ticket to Everywhere' [1979] Brain (Germany), 0060.173
Legendary German sythesizer band's third, and last album.
disk: mint (no pops, no sizzle, no scratches, _dead_quiet_)
cover: very good (slight balding at corners, no frays)
$15 1-LP SFF (Schicke, Fuhrs, Frohling)
'Symphonic Pictures' [1976] Brain (Germany), 60.010
Their first album.
disk: good (Green label; 3/8' round tear in label where the store
cretins stuck price sticker, some pops, some sizzle, no scratches)
cover: mint
$9 1-CD Paul Haslinger
'Future Primitive' [1994] Wildcat, WLD-9211
$9 1-CD Friedmann Witecka
'Voyager in Expanse' [1986] Sanyo Electric (Japan), inak 860 CD
Mastered by DADC, Austria. Digital Master, Reference Edition
Recordings from Jan 1979 to Jan 1983, 14 tracks. TT: 51:35
$8 1-CD TONTO's Expanding Head Band
'TONTO Rides Again' [1996] Viceroy Vintage, VIN6036-2
The Original New Timbral Orchestra (TONTO) CD reissue of
'Zero Time' [1974] plus 7 bonus tracks.
_classical_indian_
$18 2-CD Ravi Shankar
'Concert for Peace, Royal Albert Hall' [1995] Moment, MRCD 1013
with Zakir Hussain (tabla) and Partho Sarathy (sarod)
(Oops, I bought a second copy by mistake)
Note: count as 1 CD for shipping and discounting
$6 1-CD Various street musicians
'Festival Music of Kerala' [1994] JVC (Japan), VICG-5350-2
_new age_
$8 1-CD Tomita
'Snowflakes are Dancing' [1982] RCA Red Seal, RCD14587
$8 1-CD Sequentia Ensemble for Medieval Music
'Ancient Music for a Modern Age' [1993] RCA Red, 09026-61868-2
13 tracks of medieval choral music, TT: 60:14
$6 1-CD Paul Winter Consort
'Icarus' [1984] Living Music, LD-0004
Band: Paul Winter, David Darling, Paul McCandless, Ralph Towner,
Herb Bushler, Collin Walcott (guest: Paul Stookey)
$4 1-CD Kitaro
'Asia' (digital master) [1984] Geffen, 24087-2
$4 1-CD Uakti
'I Ching' [1993] Point Music, D 102341
$4 1-CD Night Ark
'Moments' [1987] RCA, 3028-2-N
These last 4 CDs are on hold until Saturday Feb 22nd. If the current
buyer reneges, then each will be sold to the next person in line. I'm
accepting requests now, so get in line if you want one of these.
$4 1-CD Eric Tingstad, Nancy Rumbel, & David Lanz
'Woodlands' [1987] Narada Lotus, ND-61016
ocarina, english horn, oboe, piano, percusion, unspecfied
synth, unspecified sequencer
$4 1-CD Spencer Brewer (with ensemble)
'Portraits' [1987] Narada Lotus, ND-61017
piano, DX-7, Emulator II, cello, guitar, oboe, english horn,
violin,, lyricon, clarinet, recorder, percussion, tabla, flute
$4 1-CD Spencer Brewer (with ensemble)
'Shadow Dancer' [1984] Sona Gaia, CD-144
piano, DX-7, unspecified Moog, Roland string synth,
unspecified Oberheim, gong, bells, guitar, saxophone,
harmonica, cello, lyricon
$4 1-CD Gabriel Lee
'Impressions' [1984] Narada Lotus, ND-61005
guitar (produced by Don Slepian)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 3:54
pm
Subject: Re: Is there any need for this?
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Or was that 'Sister Moonshine'? ... Hmm, I think it was. Guess I was
thinking of Governor Moonbeam. -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 3:53
pm
Subject: Re: Is there any need for this?
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
>
> Hi all,
>
> >Really-From: kwb10@l... (Kenneth W. Beal)
> >I even (now don't banish me from the list for this) like
> >disco (my age is showing).
>
> Ladies and Gents : are we kind and generous enough to admit this disco
> fan to our happy throng? Or do we have to draw the line somewhere? ;)
>
> Cheers
> David
I'd say, if he can whistle the beginning of 'Sister Moonbeam' (just
before the car horn) then we let him go. Otherwise he won't be 'stayin
alive, stayin alive.' -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 11:04
pm
Subject: Fuzz Box
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi all,
Re : Really-From: Boneheads1@a...
>>>intensely electrified. I remember an interview where Chris Franke was
>>>
>>>telling how on this album he took a polyphonic synth (I think it was
>>>8-voice)
>>>and put a separate fuzz box on each voice and people were wondering how
>>>Edgar
>>got his guitar to sound so big not knowing it was actually Chris' synth.
I tried this at the weekend with my s950 sampler and three fuzz boxes each
wired to one of the individual outputs. All I got was a complete blast of
noise even with gentle distortion. It didn't sound like a 'guitar' at all.
Just a bloody mess... ;)
Any ideas?
Cheers
David
np : neural network 'modernite'...any offers accepted i.e it's not my 'cup
of tiffin'.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 4:07
pm
Subject: Re: Is there any need for this?
Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
On Feb 17, 3:14pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Is there any need for this?
> Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> >Really-From: kwb10@l... (Kenneth W. Beal)
> >I even (now don't banish me from the list for this) like
> >disco (my age is showing).
>
> Ladies and Gents : are we kind and generous enough to admit this disco fan
> to our happy throng? Or do we have to draw the line somewhere? ;)
>
> Cheers
> David
>
I say he should be quatered, impaled and burned at the stake for such heresy.
But I am one of the merciful; let's hear from the nasty ones among us ;-)
The inquisitor,
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
From:
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Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 5:02
pm
Subject: D:-[]-[]-'Tyger'-[]-[]-
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
17-Feb-1997
Tangerine Dream
'Tyger'
Published - 1987
Purchased - 1987
Format - LP
Label - Caroline
Catalog - CAROL 1341
Personnel - Froese, Franke, Haslinger (w/ Jocelyn Smith)
I am not favorably disposed to this recording. It impresses me as
pseudo-intellectual posturing.
One of the things I like about Tangerine Dream is how their music
stands well on its own terms. It owes very little allegiance, if any, to
anything or anyone else. 'Tyger', though, seems to be either a tribute to or
a enhancement of the William Blake poems. The result, for me is a weakening
of both. Don't get me wrong, there is some excellent artistry here, and I
appreciate that, but the work as a whole is not very satisfying.
Naturally my favorite track off this LP is 'Alchemy Of The Heart'.
(No Vocals!!) In fact this cut is on my homemade cassette recording of 'TD
Prime Cuts'. That final rhythm break and culminating theme structure brings
tears to my eyes, every time that I hear it. Haslinger is a genius.
On a different subject; after 'Tyger' there are six more weeks of
album discussions. What then? Are we starting over again, or moving on to
solos or boots? Or are we concluding? Just curious about the state of
feelings on the subject.
Have a good. . . .
Phil N.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 4:59
pm
Subject: Re: Mark's trade/sell list - SPAM
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> My trade/sell list
Sooorrreeeeyyy. I knew I was going to miss changing the 'Mail to' from
'tadream' to -whoever- sooner or later. I'll try not to let it happen
again.
'I'll have your spam, I love it.'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 12:19
am
Subject:
Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On a different subject; after 'Tyger' there are six more weeks of
album discussions. What then? Are we starting over again, or moving on to
solos or boots? Or are we concluding? Just curious about the state of
feelings on the subject.
Have a good. . . .
Phil N.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
switching to the solos would be a good idea.
Armin
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 6:26
pm
Subject: What's Next?
Really-From: Vic Rek
> On a different subject; after 'Tyger' there are six more weeks of
>album discussions. What then? Are we starting over again, or moving on to
>solos or boots? Or are we concluding? Just curious about the state of
>feelings on the subject.
>
I would suggest solo, but we would have to identify who would we cover and
how much? I think these releases should take priority over any bootlegs.
Vic
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 7:09
pm
Subject: help / SBMs
Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones)
Help,
Can someone please tell me what Tangerine SBMs are currently available? I
know Tangram is and I have Hyperborea and Theif and Encore as SBMS but what
else? What about Force Majeure, Logos, Cyclone, Ricochet, Rubycon, Pergamon
etc..... please let me know as soon as possible it is sort of an emergency.
If you know you have one of the above as an SBM, it would be greatly greatly
appreciated if you could e-mail me and let me know, thanks.
Or an 'official' SBM list posted to tadream would be nice, anyone willing?
thanks,
lars
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 7:31
pm
Subject: D: This week
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
My e-mail was down last week so I wasn't able to post it then. This
week:
Tyger.
Should elicit some interesting commentary.
Scott
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 9:07
pm
Subject: Re: help / SBMs
Really-From: Claude Roy
Hi lars,
At 14:09 97-02-17 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones)
>
>
>Help,
>
>Can someone please tell me what Tangerine SBMs are currently available? I
>know Tangram is and I have Hyperborea and Theif and Encore as SBMS but what
>else? What about Force Majeure, Logos, Cyclone, Ricochet, Rubycon, Pergamon
>etc..... please let me know as soon as possible it is sort of an emergency.
>
They are all available here in Canada. Well for once, we seem to be lucky about
something!!
>If you know you have one of the above as an SBM, it would be greatly greatly
>appreciated if you could e-mail me and let me know, thanks.
>
>Or an 'official' SBM list posted to tadream would be nice, anyone willing?
>
>thanks,
>
>lars
>
>
____________________________________
Claude Roy,
Longueuil
P.Q. Canada
e-mail:
http://pages.infinit.net/ozzz/gci/gcimain.htm
____________________________________
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 8:58
pm
Subject: Re: help / SBMs
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones)
>
> Help,
>
> Can someone please tell me what Tangerine SBMs are currently available?
> I know Tangram is and I have Hyperborea and Theif and Encore as SBMS
> but what else? What about Force Majeure, Logos, Cyclone, Ricochet,
> Rubycon, Pergamon etc..... please let me know as soon as possible it is
> sort of an emergency.
>
> If you know you have one of the above as an SBM, it would be greatly
> greatly appreciated if you could e-mail me and let me know, thanks.
>
> Or an 'official' SBM list posted to tadream would be nice, anyone
> willing?
>
> thanks,
>
> lars
Here's the digital masters according to my list (SBM I think is used
just by Virgin to designate their digital masters)
Electronic Meditation - Essential and Sequel releases
Alpha Centauri - Essential and Sequel releases
Ziet - Essential and Sequel releases
Phaedra - Virgin TAND 5
Rubycon - Virgin (1995 release, but I don't know the catalog number)
Encore Live - Virgin 7243 8 39443 2 3
Force Majeure - Virgin TAND 10
Pergamon - Essential and Sequel releases
Tangram - Virgin TAND 11 and (new) Caroline CAROL 1805-2
Thief - Virgin TAND 12
Exit - Virgin TAND 13
White Eagle - Virgin 7243 8 39444 2 2 and Virgin TAND 2
Logos Live - Virgin 7243 8 39445 2 1 and Virgin TAND 3
Hyperborea - Virgin 7243 8 39446 2 0 and Virgin TAND 4
Poland (excerpts, 1CD) - Essential and Sequel releases
Tyger (not original track 1) - Essential and Sequel releases
Canyon Dreams and beyond were probably always digital
Hope this helps. Anyone else with more info, please join in. -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 1:55
am
Subject: Re: D: Turn of the Tides
Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 08:53:21 GB-EIRE tadream mailing list
wrote:
>Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>
>
>*** Standard Disclaimer : All My Own Opinion ***
>
>I think this has a definite shift from the other Seattle
>Years stuff. It's more pop-y, rocky, whatever. Jungle
>Journey and Turn of the Tides are outrageous pop tunes, the
>latter reminding me of one of my old Wham! albums from the
>early 80's.
Personally, Turn of the Tides (the individual song) didn't strike me as
particularly inspired; I don't have the first idea about what people see in
it. I think the album would have been well concluded after Midwinter
Night, but there you go...apart from that, I agree with that TOTT was a
pleasant exception from the other Seattle years stuff. Most of all, the
album has an individual structure, as opposed to Tyranny of Beauty,
which could easily keep the shuffle mode on your CD player busy...
>Having said that, for some reason I liked this album when I
>first got it. Liked it for a long time, in fact. Only in
>the last month or so (after listening to other things,
>including Goblin's Club) I have come to not enjoy it as
>much, for some reason. Maybe because I always felt it was
>better than Tyranny of Beauty and now it's not as good as
>the new album.
Again, I agree. Goblin's Club is definitely my favourite among the works
they've had published after Livemiles. Tyranny of Beauty is a bit of a
nondescript album; I like it better than Rockoon, but TOTT, 220 Volts and
Goblin's Club grip me more.
>So, this one gets a 3AS, although as time passes, even this
>score is pushing it.
I'd gladly give the 3AS. It sums up the album. Maybe it is pushed,
appearing right between Rockoon and Tyranny of Beauty.
Dennis
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 9:18
pm
Subject: RE: What's Next?
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>I would suggest solo, but we would have to identify who would we cover and
>how much? I think these releases should take priority over any bootlegs.
Whatever we do, I'm not doing it!
Scott
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 2:38
am
Subject: Albums From Extreme Ends
Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
On Sat, 15 Feb 1997 14:56:41 -0500 (EST) tadream mailing list
wrote:
>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
>
>On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
>
>> Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>>
>>
>> > Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuli /Sasha Sekulich)
>> >
>> > Currently in possession of: Atem :) and Destination Berlin :)))
>> >
>> I think most on the list would suggest that you couldn't
>> have picked a more extreme two albums to start with. As
>> Gabe said, it'll be interesting to see which of these
>> (IMHO) two separate camps you end preferring.
>
>er, when did I say this? While it's true my first 2 TD albums were
>_Phaedra_ and _Rockoon_, I didn't suggest anything about the
>preferences...what camps do you mean? It usually seems to be either
'old
>TD' or 'all TD'. I don't know anybody who likes ONLY new TD.
>
>
>> Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
>
>Gabe
Welcome to the club...well, my first albums were Cyclone and Lily on
the Beach, and I still got hooked on TD; actually, I think that both of them
aren't as bad as most people seem to think they are. It might be
sentimental value, but I really like the eerie, destructive atmosphere of
Cyclone (the title tells it all), as opposed to the light-hearted, optimistic
rhapsody of Lily on the Beach. I wonder if anyone in the world agrees
with that...
Dennis
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 10:01
pm
Subject: Re: Is there any need for this?
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>> >Really-From: kwb10@l... (Kenneth W. Beal)
>> >I even (now don't banish me from the list for this) like
>> >disco (my age is showing).
>
>> Ladies and Gents : are we kind and generous enough to admit this disco
>> fan to our happy throng? Or do we have to draw the line somewhere? ;)
>I'd say, if he can whistle the beginning of 'Sister Moonbeam' (just
>before the car horn) then we let him go. Otherwise he won't be 'stayin
>alive, stayin alive.' -- Mark
Nope. Disco killed Progressive Rock, so he, as a disco fan, must be
killed. I have contacts in Fresno that are on their way to his home now
to kill him. He'll be dead by sunset unless he can tell me the winner
and the score of the last Fresno State - Cal State Fresno game. :-)
Seriously, though, I've always found it odd that TD never showed any
disco influences during that era. Even Pink Floyd, the band that killed
disco, showed some influence of it, but TD never did.
Scott
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 17, 1997 10:55
pm
Subject: Re: help / SBMs
Really-From: korg@s... (bill dorrans)
>get me outta
here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 16, 1997 11:52
am
Subject: Re: Is there any need for this?
Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> Seriously, though, I've always found it odd that TD never showed any
> disco influences during that era. Even Pink Floyd, the band that killed
> disco, showed some influence of it, but TD never did.
Well, I always thought that parts of Rubicon resembled Donna Summer's
'Hot Stuff'. Of course, there's Network 23, but that was after disco had
been planted in the earth (for a while, anyway).
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'I used to be indecisive,
but now I just don't know'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 12:34
am
Subject: RE: The TD Roots Collection and....
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> The range of ages of TD's music lovers is probably 9 to 95 and,
Make that 4 to 95. My 4-year-old loves them, even though he pronounces
it 'Tangera Dream.' We listened to Thief on the way to and from
sled-riding today and I saw him bobbing his head repeatedly to Dr.
Destructo.
> 2) Supernatural Fairy Tales - The Progressive Rock Era
What's to discuss? There's no TD on it. It does have Golden Earring,
though. Why, I have no idea.
Scott
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 12:55
am
Subject: RE: Something Controversial(sp)
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> I have been on this least for well over a year now and I don't know if it
>is
>me but this list doesn't seem to be as good as it was when I first came
>onto
>it,I used to contribute to the discussions and enjoy reading the mails but
>now
>when I go into my mail folder and see loads of TD mail I just delete most
A list is only as good as it's members. Perhaps you should contribute
something.
Scott
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 2:16
am
Subject: Important Question !
Really-From: Jan Kerp
Hi Folks...
Does anyone of you kwow wether Klaus Beschorner can be trusted or not?
(I wanna buy some CDs from him ;-)
Greetings
Jan
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 3:42
am
Subject: Re: Important Question !
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 03:16 AM 2/18/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: Jan Kerp
>
>
>Hi Folks...
>
>Does anyone of you kwow wether Klaus Beschorner can be trusted or not?
>(I wanna buy some CDs from him ;-)
Yes. I asked him for the REAL recordings of Logos concert, sent him the
money and after 2 weeks, I received them.
Morgan
feldon@n...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 3:53
am
Subject: Re: Is there any need for this?
Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> Nope. Disco killed Progressive Rock, so he, as a disco fan, must be
> killed. I have contacts in Fresno that are on their way to his home now
> to kill him. He'll be dead by sunset unless he can tell me the winner
> and the score of the last Fresno State - Cal State Fresno game. :-)
Feeling a mite merciless today, are we Scott?
> Seriously, though, I've always found it odd that TD never showed any
> disco influences during that era. Even Pink Floyd, the band that killed
> disco, showed some influence of it, but TD never did.
There is the second section of 'Force majeure', Edgar's 'Detroit Snackbar
Dreamer', and, a couple of years late, 'Choronzon' and 'Network 23'.
> Scott
>
Gabe
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Gabe Yedid email: gabe@c...
Dept. of Biology, McGill University bleo@m...
Montreal, Quebec, Canada gyedid@p...
'Understanding is a three-edged sword: your side, their side, and the
truth.' --Capt. John J. Sheridan, 'Babylon 5'
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:00
am
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #835
Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy'
Hello,
I am 18 and I guess you could say I am a new TD fan, especially when
compared to what seems to be the average age on this mailing-list.
I have been purchasing every TD CD I have been able to get my hands on
(with the restriction of finances occasionally) since about 6 months
ago. The first album I heard was Cyclone and I loved it. (my favorite
part is on the third song when the flute sound comes in and sort of
lifts the whole song up to another level)
I just recently got Atem and Ricochet and love both.
I heard Electronic Meditation at a Silver Platters record store and
didn't really like it. I was then afraid to purchase Alpha Centauri
but I did and loved it.
I'm just letting anyone who cares know what its like to be a new
fan...it seems as though a few of you were interested in that sort of
thing.
Dreamin',
Maxwell (Up In The Sky)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:26
am
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #836
Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy'
Hey guys,
I went to Tower Records over the weekend and I saw a new version of
Tangram. I have one with a blue cover and the new one has a red cover.
What's the difference?
Maxwell
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:42
am
Subject: We are unique......damnit!!
Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy'
Salutations,
About the name commonality in light of an intellectual TD listener
thread. Well, my name is Maxwell which is not common but not
altogether rare either. I have never met anyone with the name Maxwell,
although I have met a few 'just Max's'.
I believe that we are all very unique in that we enjoy the abnormal
(that is....abnormal to the rest of this damn world) sounds/music of
what has got to be one of the greatest bands of all time. Why? Because
they went beyond the acceptable boundaries of 'popular music'. They
(TD) stuck with what they believed in and that is one of the many
reasons I love listening to their work/art...you name it. I enjoy the
individualistic flair that infuses me whenever I listen to TD. I
especially enjoy when people in my dorm building drop by occasionally
and say 'what the hell are you listening to', I love it when they have
this look of confusion on their face as to something they will never
understand.
In conclusion, we are as I said unique, and we share a fairly simple
love for a band that has seen us through both good and bad times.
Yes Yes...even though I have only been a fan for about 6 months to a
year I have had great epiphany's while listening to TD and they have
helped through some of the bad days.
We are all awsome, I love everyone one of you in that spaced-out
T-dream way....
The reason that our names are uncommon is so that we have a first line
of defense against the generic top 10 radio listeners who see music as
nothing more then a background enjoyment.
Forever dreamin',
Maxwell A. Croy
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:34
am
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #836
Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> I went to Tower Records over the weekend and I saw a new version of
> Tangram. I have one with a blue cover and the new one has a red cover.
> What's the difference?
The colour.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'I used to be indecisive,
but now I just don't know'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:50
am
Subject: Re: Is there any need for this?
Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> Nope. Disco killed Progressive Rock
You jest, i assume? Musical movements remain alive as long as they
continue to entertain their audiences. Obviously, we live in a flavour of
the month culture, but if enough people were still into the sounds of Yes
and King Crimson, then we'd have more of that than Prodigy and
Underworld...or Spice Girls, for that matter. Everyone is always free to
thumb their nose at trends and stay with the bands they like.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'I used to be indecisive,
but now I just don't know'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59
pm
Subject: Babylon 5
Really-From: jan.willem@s... (Jan Willem Walraven Borst)
Hello!
Is the new Babylon 5 CD #2 already released in Holland?
Made by Christopher Franke
Greetings,
Jan Willem
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 2:35
am
Subject: Re: help / SBMs
Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT)
Hey, maybe my head's up my own butt, but what is an SBM ?
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 3:40
pm
Subject: spelling
Really-From: Armin Theissen
>
>Here's the digital masters according to my list (SBM I think is used
>just by Virgin to designate their digital masters)
>
>Electronic Meditation - Essential and Sequel releases
>Alpha Centauri - Essential and Sequel releases
>Ziet - Essential and Sequel releases
>[...]
>Hope this helps. Anyone else with more info, please join in. -- Mark
>
It is spelled 'ZEIT' and not 'ZIET', just the same old story as with
'Thiessen' (wrong) and 'Theissen' (right)
;)
Armin
Armin Theissen
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Armagh Observatory email: ath@s...
College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen
Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928
Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 3:44
pm
Subject: disco
Really-From: Armin Theissen
>
>Nope. Disco killed Progressive Rock, so he, as a disco fan, must be
>killed. I have contacts in Fresno that are on their way to his home now
>to kill him. He'll be dead by sunset unless he can tell me the winner
>and the score of the last Fresno State - Cal State Fresno game. :-)
>
>Seriously, though, I've always found it odd that TD never showed any
>disco influences during that era. Even Pink Floyd, the band that killed
>disco, showed some influence of it, but TD never did.
>
>Scott
>
My attitude is to give *any* kind of music a listen and pick the
things out of it which I like. This may well contain disco, techno,
bavarian brass bands,....
disco influence? Hm: Network 23 (appears in a discotheque in this
infamous Tatort 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' in different pitch -
in the movie, not the soundtrack). Midnight in Thula? Well, wouldn't
call it disco, but listen to the bassline.
Armin
Armin Theissen
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Armagh Observatory email: ath@s...
College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen
Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928
Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 3:47
pm
Subject: tangram cover
Really-From: Armin Theissen
>
>Hey guys,
>I went to Tower Records over the weekend and I saw a new version of
>Tangram. I have one with a blue cover and the new one has a red cover.
>What's the difference?
>Maxwell
>
The red cover is the original artwork as it appeard on Vinyl back
in 1980.
The vinyl inside sleeve showed two photographs of a giant Tangram
logo (seemed to be put together from seven Tangram mirrors) in
a winter landscape and a forest, in some corner a tiny photograph of
Jerome.
Armin
Armin Theissen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Armagh Observatory email: ath@s...
College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen
Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928
Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 3:54
pm
Subject: Re: spelling
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> Really-From: Armin Theissen
>
>
> It is spelled 'ZEIT' and not 'ZIET', just the same old story as with
> 'Thiessen' (wrong) and 'Theissen' (right)
>
> ;)
>
> Armin
Well, if you damn foreigners would follow basic English
rules, we'd all know how to spell correctly. Remember - 'I
before E except after C'.
8-)))))))))
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi S3I
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
cordrey@m...
---------------------------------------------
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:03
pm
Subject: Re: New Fan Albums
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy'
>
>
> Hello,
> The first album I heard was Cyclone and I loved it.
[snip]
> I just recently got Atem and Ricochet and love both.
> I heard Electronic Meditation at a Silver Platters record store and
> didn't really like it. I was then afraid to purchase Alpha Centauri
> but I did and loved it.
> I'm just letting anyone who cares know what its like to be a new
> fan...it seems as though a few of you were interested in that sort of
> thing.
Have you made a conscious decision to buy TD'searlier
material, or are these just the titles you've been able to
find?
For new fans like this, would anyone agree that buying
albums in progressive chronoligal order would help make the
transition between old and new? I know we've seen a couple
of examples just recently of people buying old and new
together and still liking them, but I can't help but think
that someone who has a lot of the early stuff would have a
heart-attack if they then bought Rockoon or Tyrrany of
Beauty. If the albums were bought in some order, the
gentler evolution might be easier to stand (and
understand).
Or am I talking b******s again?
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi S3I
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
cordrey@m...
---------------------------------------------
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 9:17
am
Subject: Re: spelling
Really-From: 'Levente.Toth'
> >
> > Armin
> Well, if you damn foreigners would follow basic English
> rules, we'd all know how to spell correctly. Remember - 'I
> before E except after C'.
>
> 8-)))))))))
>
> ---------------------------------------------
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> GEC-Marconi S3I
> Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
>
> E-mail : cordrey@m...
> cordrey@m...
> ---------------------------------------------
hehehehe,
well, English is full of so many logical rules about spelling and
prononciation....I can't contain myself.
Sorry, this just had to come out....
Levente
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:22
pm
Subject: spelling
Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> It is spelled 'ZEIT' and not 'ZIET', just the same old story as with
> 'Thiessen' (wrong) and 'Theissen' (right)
>
Well, if you damn foreigners would follow basic English
rules, we'd all know how to spell correctly. Remember - 'I
before E except after C'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
the combination 'ei' is pronounced like the english 'i'.
the combination 'ie' is like a long 'e' (like in 'tea' - why the
hell do you have the 'a' in 'tea'???)
Right now, they introduced new rules in german orthography which
is a complete mess in my opinion. Instead of 'Spaghetti', you
have to write 'Spagetti' now (without 'h'), which would make an
italian pronounce it like 'spadjetti'...
enough on that topic
armin
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 10:14
am
Subject: Re: Important Question!
Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
>Really-From: Jan Kerp
>Does anyone of you kwow wether Klaus Beschorner can be trusted or not?
>(I wanna buy some CDs from him ;-)
Jan, I guess you only subscribed recently to this list, so you couldn't
know...but what you ask there is like asking if anyone of us knows whether
Bill Clinton is president of the USA, or if Tangerine Dream ever recorded
any electronic music... :-) Without Klaus, there would be quite a number of
people here on the list looking at more empty space on their TD
shelves...In other words, do not worry, you can definitely count on Klaus!
Hilmar
From:
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 5:30
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Subject:
Really-From: ashok prema
From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 03:16:07 +0100
Subject: Important Question !
Really-From: Jan Kerp
Hi Folks...
Does anyone of you kwow wether Klaus Beschorner can be trusted or not?
(I wanna buy some CDs from him ;-)
Klaus is a genuine TD lover - and is as straight as they
come!...........er......just don't get on the wrong side of him or his
baseball bat may come visiting!!! Ha! HA!
Really though - a good 'un!
Ash
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 1:00
pm
Subject: Re: Important Question !
Really-From: Vic Rek
>Hi Folks...
>
>Does anyone of you kwow wether Klaus Beschorner can be trusted or not?
>(I wanna buy some CDs from him ;-)
>
>Greetings
>Jan
>
Is the Pope Catholic or did you come from the Pink Floyd discussion group?
Vic
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 1:00
pm
Subject: Re: spelling
Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>It is spelled 'ZEIT' and not 'ZIET', just the same old story as with
>'Thiessen' (wrong) and 'Theissen' (right)
>
>Armin
>
Hey Armin,
Since I've seen your last name up for discussion so many times, why don't
you make it as simple as mine? Change it to Tysen.
Vic Rek
From:
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 1:06
pm
Subject: d:what's next, a suggestion
Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones)
> On a different subject; after 'Tyger' there are six more weeks of
>album discussions. What then? Are we starting over again, or moving on to
>solos or boots?
>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>>I would suggest solo, but we would have to identify who would we cover and
>>how much? I think these releases should take priority over any bootlegs.
>Whatever we do, I'm not doing it!
I agree, I think solos should be next; I volunteer to take scott's job
(which is just compiling and listing the D:album of the week, right?).
I know a few people object to the D:list but I say: 'let them hit the delete
key' I've found it very educational and have enjoyed reading other people's
posts tremendously!
The real question to be solved is in what order and who. 2 weeks ago we saw
the 'TD has more members than Spinal Tap' thread so we can't do them all nor
can we do them all alphabetically.
Obviously, we need a consensus on the included artists and criteria, EG:
Klaus Schulze could be included but really should be discussed on 'space
music' since this is tadream and not a KS list. In order to make the
discussion as widely inclusive as possible and not to get sidetracked by
endless weeks of D:'x' which no one has or cares to own, I think that we
should set some basic threshold for inclusion (such as 5 or 10 people on the
list must actually have the cd/album/tape). I realize that a review of some
'obscure' works might actually be quite good and the discussion might
broaden people's interest in that artist/work.
So what I propose is this:
We cover ONLY a select FEW of the artists from scott's spinal tap list and
do so alphabetically (most guests/studio musicians should be deleted). For
those 'major' artists, such as edgar, we discuss one solo album per
week--alphabetically; for other 'minor' artists, such as conny schnitzler,
we cover *all* of his work within one week, ie: we have a d:schnitzler week
where we can comment about any and all of his works that week... Like the
D:list, we should restrict this to legit releases.
Here is Scott's 'spinal tap' list and my suggestions for a new D:solo list.
What do y'all think? If I don't have complete discographies please let me
know! Thanks! (ps: sorry about the abbrev. but I'm trying to save some
bandwidth!)
Akhbar, Al -- delete --
Baumann, Peter -- include: major artist (RR, R76, SITN, THN)
Bruehne, Joachim -- delete --
Dennebourg, Udo -- delete --
Franke, Chris -- include: major artist (B5 I & II, CP, K, NMFF1, tLC, PCH,
R, RM, US)
Fricke, Florian -- delete (or does he really have something out??????)
Froese, Edgar -- include: major artist (Ages, Aqua, EIMP, K1985, P, S)
Froese, Jerome -- delete, no solo ventures
Gradwool, Gerald -- delete --
Grumbcow, Jochen von -- delete --
Hapshash, Lanse -- delete --
Haslinger, Paul -- include: major artist (FP, WWR, CV???) (no Lightwave or???)
Herkenberg, Kurt -- delete --
Hoenig, Michael -- include: minor artist
Hombach, Volker -- delete --
Hornby, Mark -- delete --
Johnson, Sven -- delete --
Joliffe, Steve -- include: minor artist
Krieger, Klaus -- delete (no solo works ???????)
Leuwen, Steve -- delete --
Luecke, Johannes -- delete --
Paulyck, Roland -- delete --
Perica, Zlatko -- delete (no solo works???)
Prince, Charly -- delete --
Schmoelling, Johannes -- include: major artist (SNS, WR, ZoT, ????)
Schnitzler, Conrad -- include: minor artist
Schroyder, Steve -- delete (no solo works ??????)
Schulze, Klaus -- include but only as a 'minor' artist
Smith, Jocelyn -- delete --
Spa, Linda -- delete (no solo works????)
Torry, Clare -- delete
Turner, Nik -- delete --
Vallbracht, Christian -- delete --
Wadephul, Ralf -- delete
Wheeler, Paul -- delete --
(I know this list wasn't 'complete' but I can remember anyone else
'important who was left off)
That would give us about 30 weeks of D:solo discussion for 9 artists and
still, I think, keep it mainstream enough for everyone but wide enough for
some new experiences. Suggestions and changes would be welcome (like:
should we just have a D:Baumann week?) The alphabetical list would be:
Baumann (major), Franke (major), Froese (major), Hasliner (major), Hoenig
(minor), Jolliffe (minor), Schmoelling (major), Schniztler (minor), Schulze
(minor).
thanks!
lars
-------------------------------------------
>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
[...]
>Seriously, though, I've always found it odd that TD never showed any
>disco influences during that era...
Yes, but now we have Jerome's 'drum machine' and his dance/club mixes which
are the bastard children of disco (but this is not necessarily meant as a
negative criticism, just an observation...)
lars
---------------------------------------------------
>Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT)
>Hey, maybe my head's up my own butt, but what is an SBM ?
>
sorry, it means 'super bit mastered' (?) someone with more 'techno-how' can
explain the details. the point is that these reissues are 'supposed' to
have better sound quality than the originals--although this list has seen
some debate on that point ... and yet others consider it music biz ploy by
which to part TD's hardcore fans and their hard-earned money!
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 1:00
pm
Subject: RE: What's Next?
Really-From: Vic Rek
At 04:18 PM 2/17/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
>>I would suggest solo, but we would have to identify who would we cover and
>>how much? I think these releases should take priority over any bootlegs.
>
>Whatever we do, I'm not doing it!
>
>Scott
>
Are you asking for a volunteer?
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 8:17
pm
Subject: d: what is next
Really-From: Armin Theissen
Hi,
I think we should start the solo discussions with Edgar Froese,
since he is most important for TD, and the TD list is best
suited to discuss his work. Then Chris, Paul, Johannes and
Peter, again because of importance.
We better leave Klaus Schulze out. This would be too much. There
is an excellent collection of reviews on the unofficial Schulze
page.
Armin
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 1:40
pm
Subject: Re: Ash Ra Tempel/Feb 11th,97 in Osaka Japan
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
did u happen to tape this show? thanks....tom w
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 1:45
am
Subject: RE: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates wanted?
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>Well, give credit to whom credit is due, but why not extend their
>(our ;-) work.. To make it a real reference list for us tape collectors,
>I'd like it to be in the format of kdm's 'The Works'. A list of all
>venues of a tour, and where a fantape is known he adds a (fantape exists,
>112 min). Because, of course, we're also interested in those missing
>encores, aren't we ?
>The tracklist for the Berlin '87 show was announced during the radio
>broadcast, do you have it ? Thinking of it : 'official' radio broadcasts
>should be mentioned as well.
I'm already working on it. I'm up to 35 pages so far. . .
Scott
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 1:04
am
Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
Forgive me, but I'm catching up on 160+ messages...
>Hey! Why crap? I do love Stairway to Heaven once in a while. Every year or
>so... :)
>But really, I like rock, metal, blues, jazz, even pop sometimes :) And
>electronic/experimental music, of course.
Well, it's not that the song itself is bad, it's more a comment on the
American 'Classic Rock' radio format. The problem is that they tend to
play the same big songs from the same big groups. I once requested Pink
Floyd's 'Fearless' and they played 'One of These Days' instead. (They're
from the same album, so there's no excuses) Last weekend, during their
'all-request weekend' (hah!) I asked for Gentle Giant's 'Advent of
Panurge' and the response I received was 'Huh? I don't think we have
that.' Then the DJ hung up on me.
TD Content: I seem to be one of the few on the list that likes REALLY
divergent musics. My current listening lineup includes heavy doses of
Phish, Grateful Dead, STP, Marillion, Gentle Giant, various jazz and of
course, TD. I also seem to be one of the few that DOESN'T listen to much
other e-music. I'm pretty weird, huh?
Scott
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 1:15
am
Subject: TD preferences (Was: pushing the hot butt again)
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>> How would you feel if Edgar tangenized Encore pt. 3 or so? And make
>> it a pop-track. This is how Stratos'95 sounds to me. I'm sorry.
>I would probably love it! What (I think) Lars and I were getting at was
>that
>the original 'Stratosfear' is (IMO, maybe not his) a pretty bland,
>colourless piece, as is most of _Encore_, IMO. (I *LOVED* the Monolight
>remixes
I think I see a theory in the making here. I think what each of us likes
about TD is shaped by the direction we came from when we discovered
them. I came from the psychedelic/progressive direction, originally
listening to Pink Floyd and Genesis in large doses. I gravitate towards
the Baumann and early Schmoelling eras. I dare say that Gabe may have
come more from a techno/ambient direction, and thus is more inclined
toward Haslinger and after. Am I right?
Scott
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 2:14
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Subject: Re: d:what's next, a suggestion
Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker)
>Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones)
>
>
>Schroyder, Steve -- delete (no solo works ??????)
He has several works on CD under a group name - the name of which completely
elludes me (I might be 33 years old - but my memory is that of a man
three times my age). I am not strongly suggesting that he be included just
mentioning this info.
Alan
PS I've seen his band play live, own one CD and still can't remember...
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 2:26
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Subject: BONUS: Conrad Schnitzler Reviews
Really-From: Vic Rek
During the autumn of '96 I was reviewing my Conrad Schnitzler collection and
I thought I'd share a synopsis of these reviews with the readers on this
list. These reviews are also meant to be entertaining as well as being
informative.
For those of you who don't know who Conrad (or Konrad) Schnitzler is, he was
a member of Tangerine Dream on Electronic Meditation along with Klaus
Schulze. Both went solo and have prolific careers. There is a book on
Conrad listed at the end of these reviews if you're still interested...
CONRAD SCHNITZLER REVIEWS
1. Blue Glow (The Cassette-Concert Series No. 1) - 1972-1979, rel. 1994 on CD
France Artgallery AG 003 CD 50 00003
15 titles: titles 1-10 rel. on cassette as 'T2' and 11-15 as 'T4'.
Various exotic and bizarre sounds, samples, and sound experiments. Tracks
average around 4-5 min. each and have strange titles like: 'Wandereing of
an Inert Gas', 'Dotted Lasso Whirling Simulations', etc.
2. Charred Machinery (The Cassette-Concert Series No. 2) - 1971/80, rel.
1995 on CD
France Artgallery AGCD11 50 000119 272 022
3 tracks: tracks 1-2 from 'T1' cassette 1971, track 3 'T6' cassette 1980.
Three tracks over 20 minutes each. The first track is a dark and very
distant soundscape with strange sounds appearing and disappering slowly.
The second track again contains distant space sounds along with the last
track which again has slow pulsing sounds and reminds me of some pre-ambient
stuff. Stangely enough, some of this music actually reminds me of some
experiments by Pink Floyd performed on 'Ummagumma'.
3. Electronegativity (The Cassette-Concert Series No. 3) - 1977/80, rel.
1995 on CD
France Artgallery AGCD 12 50 000126 272 023
Tracks 1-2 1977 on 'T3' and tracks 3-8 1980 on 'T6' side B.
The first two tracks are interesting; icy futuristic sci-fi sounds. Some
parts are pulsating and you feel you're in a whirlwind while other parts are
slow and repetitive with slight changes. The last six tracks are those
short tracks that indulge in sound experiments and doodlings.
4. Con 3 - 1981, Germany Sky 061, LP only
9 titles in German.
Beat-oriented music with German vocals and a lot of percussion throughout.
The record starts with some kind of slow-paced electronic polka, then
transforms into various styles to include Indian, Asian, German sounding
reggae and ends up sounding almost like '80's dance music. There is a
strange song on side two where they sing about Cola (Coke).
5. Conrad & Sohn - 1981, Private release GS 1001, 500 copies, LP only
No titles or tracks mentioned on LP or cover. Side 1 is by Gregor
Schnitzler and Side 2 is by Conrad.
Side 1 starts off with beat-oriented pulsating sounds. There are
distorted/unrecognizable vocals in German/English and in general sounds
'80ish New Wave' with metallic sounding synths. Side 2 starts off dark and
brooding with German vocals and transforms into distortion and then to some
form of melodic tunes. This side is actually a potpourri of strange tunes.
Good sequencer parts towards the end but then digresses to 'Blue Glow' type
sound experiments.
6. Conal - 1981, Norway Uniton 002, LP only
Only 2 titles (1 per side) titled: N1 and N2.
Spacy distant electronics with distorted sounds fading in and out at
different frequencies and with many 'drawn-out' sounds. I guess Conrad is
experimenting with the range of his synth knobs? When I listen to this I
find myself in some kind of sci-fi movie in the aftermath of a nuclear
holocaust. This music probably would be termed isolationist.
7. Control (The Cassette-Concert Series No. 4) - 1980-1981, rel. 1995 on CD
France Artgallery AG 013 CD 50 000133
25 titles: titles 1-12 from 'Control' LP and 13-25 from 'T5' cassettes.
Doodling sounds, dweebs, distractions, and distortions. Many short pieces
ranging from 0:49 to 4:26. Very strange titles such as 'Gently Distorted
Music Box in a Frying Pan' and 'Atonal Honking Horn Interlude with Revolving
Light' basically sum it all up! You've finally been initiated to this album
when you listen to track 25 'Buckled Wheel' and think that you actually
understand this 'stuff'.
8. Convex (The Cassette-Concert Series No. 5) - 1982, rel. 1995 on CD
France Artgallery AG 014 CD 50 000140
15 tracks: tracks 1-8 from 'Convex' LP and 9-15 from 'T7' cassette side A.
Various electronic songs with interesting sounds and textures. Some are
longer and hypnotic while other ones have unique electronic sounds that
entertain and intrigue. This release also has unusual titles such as 'Fire
Crackers in Slow Motion', 'Dripping Globules with Echoing Greasy Rings', and
'Processed Melting Jew's Harp'.
9. Micon In Italia - 1986, Italy Auf Dem Nil DMM 003 R, LP Only
17 short tracks composed with Michael Otto.
Another chapter of experimental music. This release uses classical
instruments (violin & bassoon) plus synths to create strange short tunes
ranging from neo-classical/contemporary sound experiments and sound plays to
personal indulgences and a 'Circus' tune. Some sounds remind me of Frank
Zappa's music.
10. Constellations - 1987, France Badland Bad No. 005, CD Only
2 long tracks.
Again we have a bizarre one. This one starts with dark brooding
atmospherics and continues with sustained sounds (organ), sampled sounds,
strange voices, beeps, blips, and blurbs. The second track has piano and
harp sounds. Both tracks contain some irritating noises.
11. Tolling Toggle - Germany Funfundvierzig 57, 1991/92, CD only
18 short tracks played with Jorg Thomasius.
This could be a soundtrack to a factory. There are many electronic factory
sounds (machining, assembly, cutting, pounding, etc.) on these tracks. Some
classical instruments are mixed with the background 'medium industry'
sounds. I heard some steam and construction sounds in the distance. Weird.
12. Tonart Eins - Germany, private pressing, 1992, CD only
Collaboration between Lars Stroschen, Conrad, and Jorg Thomasius
12 short to medium length tracks composed individually.
This music is very bizarre electronic avant garde. Some tracks are so
quiet that you think there is no music at all, while others feature strange
distant chirping, buzzing, clanging, and percussive sounds. Some tracks
feature some phaser sounds while others have an onslaught of various sounds.
Very avant garde, dark, introverted music.
13. Ballet Statique - 1978, rel. 1992 on CD France Spalax 14223, Prod. by P.
Baumann
5 medium length tracks orig. on 'Con' LP with 5 bonus tracks.
Very electronic metallic cascading sounds. Track 2 (title track) sounds
like from Baumann's 'Romance '76'. There are various rhythms (from driving
to hypnotic) underlying high frequency effects fading in and out. The music
is repetitive on most tracks, but nonetheless, interesting.
14. Clock Face - Germany Musical Tragedies EFA 11376, 1991/92, CD only
15 short tracks played with Jorg Thomasius.
Again we have some more gears and bolts to deal with. This is dark eerie
music with strange sound effects flashing in and out. Some tracks
experiment with some crazy percussion with out-of-beat 'rhythms'. Some
tracks have strange voices on them. Difficult music to listen to.
15. Tonart Zwei - Germany, private pressing, 1993, CD only
Collaboration between Lars Stroschen, Conrad, and Jorg Thomasius
16 short tracks recorded Oct. 25, 1992 with no overdubs or electronics.
This music is classified as musique concrete. No electronics are used on
this recording. There are just sounds created using various household
items, such a pots, bottles, vacuum, whatever. There are sawing,
scribbling, banging, tapping, farting, squirting, whistling, etc. sounds.
The spitting/blowing into an empty bottle about sums up this effort.
16. Con Brio - France Spalax 14274, 1993, CD Only
20 various length tracks grouped into 3 'movements'.
This is a sample of the type of compositions featured in some Cassette
Concerts. Many classical instruments and drums are used. Some parts are
classical sound experiments that lack a musical identity while others
feature heavy use of the piano and sound like contemporary classical/jazz
improvisations. The liner notes contain a nice history of the Cassette Concert.
17. Con Repetizione - France Artgallery 50 00004 AG 004 CD, 1994, CD Only
Two long tracks.
First track is all 29 minutes piano. This track consists of repetitive
piano music that is driving, rhythmic, and unrelenting. Sounds like two
non-stop 'dueling' pianos. The second track is 30 minutes of driving
electronics with repetitive hypnotic sounds. This track builds to an
unrelenting fast tempo of pleasant electronics which don't quit.
Other releases:
1. Kluster: Klopfzeichen - US Hypnotic CLP 9724-2, 1996, CD reissue of rare
1971 LP
Kluster is Conrad, Dieter Moebius, and Hans-Joachim Roedelius
This recording was sponsored by a church and features spoken religious
themes in German over background music. The music is dark and minimal and
could probably be called early industrial. When there is no voice the music
becomes more loosely structured experimental deep space Krautrock. There
are two long tracks and a bonus third from a concert in 1980, quite interesting.
2. Kluster: Zwei Osterai - US Hypnotic
No review available - Dont have this one yet.
3. V.A. - Tangerine Ambience: A Tribute to Tangerine Dream
US Hypnotic CLP 9723-2, 1996, CD
There is an excerpt of Conrad's 'Solar Cells' on this tribute album. The
entire 'Solar Cells' track is available on the 'Electronegativity' CD.
4. V.A. - Syntonic Waves Sampler Vol. 4 'Electronic-Sampler' - Germany
Woodberry Music 6-079307
1993, CD, 500 copies
One track (#13) on sampler: Isotop (4:04) unreleased!
A short dark ambient electronic track with tinkering sounds in the
background that blends well with the other contemporary electronic tracks on
this 'Electronic-Sampler'.
Book:
1. CON-SEQUENCE: The Conrad Schnitzler Biography & Discography
Rolf Sonnenmann/Peter Stöferle, 1994, 1st edition
Reviews by Victor Rek, 1996-97.
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Subject: Re: d:what's next, a suggestion
Really-From: Vic Rek
>That would give us about 30 weeks of D:solo discussion for 9 artists and
>still, I think, keep it mainstream enough for everyone but wide enough for
>some new experiences. Suggestions and changes would be welcome (like:
>should we just have a D:Baumann week?) The alphabetical list would be:
>Baumann (major), Franke (major), Froese (major), Hasliner (major), Hoenig
>(minor), Jolliffe (minor), Schmoelling (major), Schniztler (minor), Schulze
>(minor).
I think this will work (even though I see more than 30 weeks possibly).
Other opinions:
1. Hoenig, Jolliffe, Schnitzler (see my reviews), and Schulze should be left
out. Members on this list should feel free to post their own reviews on
these (and any other related) artists at their leisure.
2. The remaining artists should be reviewed in alphabetical/chronological order:
Peter Baumann (4 weeks):
Romance 76
Baumann/Koek ? Few probably have this.
Trans Harmonic Nights
Repeat Repeat
Strangers in the Night
Phase by Phase ? No - avoid compilations
Christoph Franke (13 + weeks)
Pacific Coast Highway
McBain ?
The London Concert
Universal Soldier
New Music for Films: Vol. 1
Klemania
Raven
Enchanting Nature
Babylon 5
Night of the Running Man
The Celestine Prophecy
Tenchi The Movie
Perry Rhodan - Pax Terra
Babylon 5 II
others coming soon...
Edgar Froese (8 weeks)
Aqua
Epsilon in Malaysian Pale
Macula Transfer
Ages
Stuntman
Kamikaze 1989
Pinnacles
Beyond the Storm
Paul Haslinger (2 weeks)
Lightwave: Tycho Brache ? I'd pass on this
Lightwave: Mundus Subterraneus ? I'd pass on this
Future Primitive
World Without Rules
Johannes Schmoelling (4 weeks)
Wuivend Riet
Zoo of Tranquillity
White Out
Der Zaubergeiger Settembrini ?
Songs No Words
3. I also think Steve Schroyder (AKA Star Sounds Orchestra) would be
interesting to review, but probably should be left out.
That's it,
Vic
From:
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:10
pm
Subject: Re: Is there any need for this?
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-02-17 17:04:18 EST, you write:
<< Seriously, though, I've always found it odd that TD never showed any
disco influences during that era. Even Pink Floyd, the band that killed
disco, showed some influence of it, but TD never did.
>>
care to explain your reasoning? especially the comments about floyd....
tom w
np: kodo - ibuki
From:
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:39
pm
Subject: Re: Is there any need for this?
Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn)
You wrote:
>
>Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
>
>
>In a message dated 97-02-17 17:04:18 EST, you write:
>
><< Seriously, though, I've always found it odd that TD never showed
any
> disco influences during that era. Even Pink Floyd, the band that
killed
> disco, showed some influence of it, but TD never did.
> >>
I always thought that in Force Majeure they showed off some disco
sounds from the era of disco. In the title track after the spacey
intro, there's this drumming that sounds a lot like disco to me. I can
picture Travolta doing a jig in this part.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:44
pm
Subject: Re: Important Question !
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-02-17 21:19:30 EST, you write:
<< Does anyone of you kwow wether Klaus Beschorner can be trusted or not?
(I wanna buy some CDs from him ;-) >>
send him a money order....if u dont get ur goods, u get a refund....easy
tom w
np: muslimgauze - intifaxa
From:
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 4:57
pm
Subject: Re: monthly flavour (was:Is there any need for this?)
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-02-17 23:58:57 EST, you write:
<< Obviously, we live in a flavour of
the month culture, but if enough people were still into the sounds of Yes
and King Crimson, then we'd have more of that than Prodigy and
Underworld...or Spice Girls, for that matter. >>
whats the relationship here? are u saying that if more people listened to
crimso and yes, thered be less listening to prodigy and underworld? why cant
people listen to all four? why must one type of music be at the expense of
another type? and whats wrong with a culture that spotlights a certain
'flavour' monthly? how else would u get exposure to other things?
tom w
np: muslimgauze - intifaxa (flavour: deep listening)
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 5:23
pm
Subject: Re: BONUS: Conrad Schnitzler Reviews
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-02-18 09:31:53 EST, you write:
<< Reviews by Victor Rek, 1996-97.
>>
excellent...thank you very much....
tom w
From:
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 5:19
pm
Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-02-18 09:17:33 EST, you write:
<< TD Content: I seem to be one of the few on the list that likes REALLY
divergent musics. My current listening lineup includes heavy doses of
Phish, Grateful Dead, STP, Marillion, Gentle Giant, various jazz and of
course, TD. I also seem to be one of the few that DOESN'T listen to much
other e-music. I'm pretty weird, huh?
>>
no, u should be commended for listening to what YOU like....
tom w
np: muslimgauze - intifaxa
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 5:29
pm
Subject: Re: Babylon 5
Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> Really-From: jan.willem@s... (Jan Willem Walraven Borst)
>
>
> Hello!
>
> Is the new Babylon 5 CD #2 already released in Holland?
> Made by Christopher Franke
>
>
> Greetings,
> Jan Willem
> ---
Yes, just go to the Cue Homepages. They will have it.
Which is at:
http://mcs.nl/cue/cue.html
Marcel
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 7:17
pm
Subject: Re: monthly flavour (was:Is there any need for this?)
Really-From: sean
> whats the relationship here? are u saying that if more people listened to
> crimso and yes, thered be less listening to prodigy and underworld?
No, that's not really what I meant at all. There's room for all kinds of
music in the world. What I'm saying is that musical trends live or die my
the quality of the product they produce. This was all in response to the
suggestion that disco 'killed' progressive rock. Progressive rock still
exists for those who still like it, but it is no longer as strong as it
once was because it ran out of steam as an hotbed of innovation.
> and whats wrong with a culture that spotlights a certain 'flavour'
>monthly? how else would u get exposure to other things?
True, but then spotlighting just one and playing it to death (i.e.
Bush, Pearl Jam) excludes other styles that could be getting airplay.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'I used to be indecisive,
but now I just don't know'
From:
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: TD 'n' Disco
Really-From: Steven Feldman
I don't see what the problem is. I've always liked Eurodisco, and
this 'high energy' ain't bad, either. And TD's done their share. As
already mentioned by others, EXIT has its tracks, then there's 'Dr.
Destructo' from THIEF, the next to last track on LE PARC, stuff on
HEARTBREAKERS, etc. And let's not forget 'Jungle Journey' off TURN OF
THE TIDES, fer crissakes. And . . .
Anyone who sees absolutely no disco influence on THE DREAM MIXES
is in *denial*! ;) :) . . . *especially* the dream mixes! And there's
also 'Quasar' off TYRANNY OF BEAUTY. And the beat goes on. . . . ;)
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From:
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 8:45
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Subject: Re[2]: Kirby's Cat - 0% TD Content
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...>
>>I've noticed that our cat reacts similarly to just about every TD album: she
>>stares vacantly into space, occasionally begs for food, and eventually goes
back
>>to sleep.
>That's funny. There's a number of people here in San Francisco who act this
>way. You don't suppose they're TD fans do you?
Or maybe our cat's just from San Fran.
-B. Kirby
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 8:47
pm
Subject: Re: Names in general
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>Is there some connection between unusual names, intellect
>and TD music?
I sure as hell hope not, or I'm in trouble.
-B. Kirby
From:
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 3:46
am
Subject: td 'n' disco
Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I don't see what the problem is. I've always liked Eurodisco, and
this 'high energy' ain't bad, either. And TD's done their share. As
already mentioned by others, EXIT has its tracks, then there's 'Dr.
Destructo' from THIEF, the next to last track on LE PARC, stuff on
HEARTBREAKERS, etc. And let's not forget 'Jungle Journey' off TURN OF
THE TIDES, fer crissakes. And . . .
Anyone who sees absolutely no disco influence on THE DREAM MIXES
is in *denial*! ;) :) . . . *especially* the dream mixes! And there's
also 'Quasar' off TYRANNY OF BEAUTY. And the beat goes on. . . . ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I think the TD 'n' disco non-connection was referring to
70s - early 80s disco (Bee Gees and Saturday Night fever, Donna
Summer, what else? I remember I grew up at this time, and I listened
to it all as a kid, but suddenly there were Pink Floyd, and then TD)
Armin
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 9:13
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Subject: sbm mea culpa
Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones)
'super bit master' ...
it's probably a good thing I'm not on the bounce version to read all those
flames. once I sent it, I realized my mind and fingers weren't working
together; I thought I might as well this in and try to save :-|
it is 'super bit mapping'; mea culpa
back to the techknowcrats......
lars
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 9:49
pm
Subject: RE: d:what's next, a suggestion
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>I know a few people object to the D:list but I say: 'let them hit the
>delete
>key' I've found it very educational and have enjoyed reading other
>people's
>posts tremendously!
Me too. Someone complained about the lack of interesting content, but I
think the D: list is a way to INCREASE the interesting content! I don't
read all the posts, but it is interesting to read other's impressions.
>Grumbcow, Jochen von -- delete --
No von Grumbcow?!?!?! Heresy!
>Baumann (major), Franke (major), Froese (major), Hasliner (major), Hoenig
>(minor), Jolliffe (minor), Schmoelling (major), Schniztler (minor), Schulze
>(minor).
Looks good, but I'd dump Hoenig, Joliffe, Schnitzler and Schulze. You
could argue for the last three, but Hoenig? He played live with them for
a month!
Scott
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 9:48
pm
Subject: TD disco influence
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>>Seriously, though, I've always found it odd that TD never showed any
>>disco influences during that era...
>Yes, but now we have Jerome's 'drum machine' and his dance/club mixes which
>are the bastard children of disco (but this is not necessarily meant as a
>negative criticism, just an observation...)
That may be an influence of disco. What I had in mind was (With Pink
Floyd, anyway) that some disco beats sneaked into to some of their songs
on The Wall, and I found it odd that TD never had any disco influences
on, say, Cyclone or Force Majeure. Unless TD was an influence on disco.
Scott
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 8:10
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Subject: Re: help / SBMs
Really-From: jeffrey@i...
>Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT)
>Hey, maybe my head's up my own butt, but what is an SBM ?
A digital recording system created by Sony and a great marketing tool
used by Virgin records to get people to buy the same CD twice.
Jeff
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 10:31
pm
Subject: Re: Is there any need for this?
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>> Nope. Disco killed Progressive Rock
>You jest, i assume? Musical movements remain alive as long as they
>continue to entertain their audiences. Obviously, we live in a flavour of
>the month culture, but if enough people were still into the sounds of Yes
>and King Crimson, then we'd have more of that than Prodigy and
>Underworld...or Spice Girls, for that matter. Everyone is always free to
>thumb their nose at trends and stay with the bands they like.
Hey, I like Prodigy, he looks like a friend of mine. :-) Disco killed
prog mainly in Europe, where it WAS the flavor of the month for much of
the '70s. Bands like Banco and Museo Rosenbach in Italy, Triumvirate in
Germany and Ange in France ruled the continent until disco became the
flavor. Ditto in the US. Then, most prog bands all but died around 1980.
Some went on, but they were a shadow of their former selves. Yes lost
Chris Squire and Jon Anderson (akin to TD losing Ed), ELP broke up, and
King Crimson brok up as well. All three were eventually resurrected, but
'80s King Crimson, good as they were, were not the same band as the '70s
KC. Their sound changed entirely. Yes in the '80s was purely a
money-making venture. Genesis survived, but became a pop outift. (A darn
good one, I might add) ELP became Emerson, Lake and POWELL, and later
'3' (Emerson, Palmer and Robert Berry) then later became ELP again when
they needed the green. Gentle Giant broke up, Camel broke up, Van der
Graaf Generator broke up. Most of the Euro-prog bands died altogether.
(Ange, I believe, is still going strong, and Camel has since re-formed).
Problem was, progressive rock was GOOD, and disco was not. And quality
is the key to staying power. Most all '70s prog bands have been
re-issued on CD, but it seems liek the only place disco is turning up on
CD is on the collection they hawk on the TV. There is the resurgence of
disco as a novelty (by the people who weren't old enough to remember it,
ironically) but there is also a resurgence of interest in prog, as
people realize that good music is indeed timeless, and clamor for
something uplifing in a sea half-arsed grunge pop that we're currently
innundated with. Then the Wall came out and disco, and the 1970s, died.
Scott
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 11:38
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Subject: Re: Is there any need for this?
Really-From: sean
The bottom line on all of this, I think, is that TD has endured because
they are not strictly a prog rock group, a new age group, or an
electronica outfit. They defy easy categorization, and keep things
interesting rather than get trapped having to repeat a successful formula
over and over - like a painter in a mall slapping off oils of
Misty Mountains and Hawaiian Sunsets.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'I used to be indecisive,
but now I just don't know'
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 11:53
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Subject:
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 8:12
pm
Subject: Re: sbm releases
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: AslanFan1@a...
>
> Whoa! Tangram released SBM version????
Hello. Yes 'Tangram' on SBM. I got the Virgin TAND 11 about a month
ago. But as I announced on the tadream list a couple of days ago, now
that a Caroline release of the digitally remastered 'Tangram' has come
out, TAND 11 will probably no longer be available. The Caroline release
is CAROL 1805-2 and should be just as good. And to anticipate your next
question, yes, the new one is worth the money -- 'Tangram' never sounded
so good.
-snip-
> Also, I have the Man Inside soundtrack
To die for (and hear in heaven). If you ever see another copy, don't
say 'oh, I already have that'. Buy it and sell it to me, please. BTW,
since I've never seen 'The Man Inside' perhaps you could answer a
question. What do I look for, 'The Man Inside' or 'L'affaire Wallraff'?
-snip-
> I will state, despite going against the grain, that I have really
> enjoyed a lot of the music from the 'Jerome' years. Especially Melrose,
> 220 Volts, Turn of the Tides and Dream Mixes. Sorry. It's not the same
> stuff as the Schmoelling era, but why would it be? It's still unlike
> anything else being produced, and frankly, I think some of it's pretty
> cool. There. I said it.
I will say it also.
> (For those who love to bash Jerome, consider the early recordings of
> Edgar. Then think about the contribution Jerome's made. I enjoy his
> guitar work. I can't stand listening to Atem, Alpha Centauri or
> Electronic Meditation!)
And I like some of his drumming, especially on Rockoon. I think Jerome
would make a fine addition to just about any band. But you should
really give the old mellotron band a chance. I didn't like any of the
albums before Ricochet for a long time but now I llke everything.
Cheers -- Mark
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Date: Tue Feb 18, 1997 8:41
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Subject: RE: The TD Roots Collection and...
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 02:05 AM 2/18/97 -0600, you wrote:
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 19:34:00 -0500
>Subject: RE: The TD Roots Collection and....
>
>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
>
>> 2) Supernatural Fairy Tales - The Progressive Rock Era
>What's to discuss? There's no TD on it. It does have Golden Earring,
>though. Why, I have no idea.
>
>Scott
Sorry to bother y'all. I guess I thought that putting TD in historical
perspective had some instructional value. The readership of this list seems
to have changed, since when originally conceived, discussions not only
about TD, but also TD ex-members, and TD musical perspectives were
intermixed ad lib.
Perhaps some LIKE the fact that TD's CDs are still placed in the NEW AGE
section of American record stores. I, for one, think that the moniker NEW
AGE is meaningless, and TD is Progressive Rock. Archie Patterson, the
compiler of 'Supernatural Fairy Tales,' may have had a similar thought when
he elected to put together the collection. He is a premier seller of
European Electronic Music (another category that is preferable to New Age).
So, other than 'Searching' recorded ca. 1970 by Klaus Schulze ('previously
unissued'), 'Der Vierte Kuss' recorded by Ash Ra Tempel also ca. 1970 (and
also hitherto 'unissued'), brief comments by Klaus Schulze and Manuel
Gottsching, superior instruction, and a immensely valuable overview of the
evolution of the kind of music we profess to like, indeed there is little
of interest in this collection.
I thought connecting dots makes sense and enhances one's appreciation of
music. But this is just my opinion (to paraphrase Dennis Miller, an
American comedian).
Andrew
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 5:05
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Subject: Re: What's Next?
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-02-17 13:28:48 EST, you write:
<< Are we starting over again, or moving on to
>solos or boots? Or are we concluding? Just curious about the state of
>feelings on the subject.
>
I would suggest solo, but we would have to identify who would we cover and
how much? I think these releases should take priority over any bootlegs.
Vic
>>
I would agree, but probably for self centered purposes. I have a
Grand Total of 1 (one) boot, and I would happily part with it, but for the
fact that it _is_ the only one I have.
Phil N.
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 5:04
am
Subject: Solos (was )
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-02-17 12:21:47 EST, it was written,
On a different subject; after 'Tyger' there are six more weeks of
album discussions. What then? Are we starting over again, or moving on to
solos or boots? Or are we concluding? Just curious about the state of
feelings on the subject.
Phil N.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
switching to the solos would be a good idea.
Armin
>>
Froese (Edgar) first? Who has a complete list? I don't think I
do.
Aqua
Beyond The Storm
(Electronic Dreams) reissue with the backwards track
Epsilon In Malaysian Pale
Pinnacles
Stuntman
More?
Phil N.
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 7:23
am
Subject: 'World Without Rules'
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Hi gang. Found someone on another list selling 'WWR' for $8.
Britton James
Email him directly.
(I done my bit for society.) -- Mark
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 8:42
am
Subject: Analog vs. Digital TD
Really-From: feldon@n...
Someone mentioned that maybe the true categories that separate the two camps
of Tangerine Dream fans from pre and post 1983 was the analog vs. digital
question.
A couple people stated that this is proposterous, but I for one have been
thinking about this one. My first TD exposure was Miracle Mile, my first 2
tapes were TOTT and Rockoon. Then someone let me borrow Electronic
Meditation. Out of ignorance, I made a vow that I wouldn't buy and pre 1986
TD, assuming that most of early TD was this 'random'. But I came into some
money and bought Phaedra. After that, I got pretty much all of them except
Pink years. I think the fact that the 74-82 albums are analogue is important.
My major qualm about post '82 TD is the break from slow developing
compositions. The TD 'pattern' which was virtually unbroken before 83 is the
'keep it going for at least 4 measures before you change anything'. If you
listen to TD of pre '83, they play a pattern for 4 measures, then add an
extra note to the rhythm, shift the analogue bass loop, add drum, toss in
electric guitar, or something, but whatever they do, they don't drastically
change the sound before repeating the PRESENT sound at least 4 measures.
This is contrast with Goblin's Club which sometimes changes the whole theme
drastically from measure to measure. Eek!
Maybe I'm being oversimplified; and maybe I'm talking over people's heads.
I'm no music theory student, but I do think it is cool that TD has the guts
to change from 2:4 to 3:4 to 4:4 time over a 12 measure stretch(like when
they play a rhythm note early and then go with it like nothing's wrong, thus
skipping over 1/4th of a measure)...
Morgan
feldon@n...
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* Ambience is actually a decent CD *
* and, dare I say it, I like their *
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* ter than Tangents. *
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Subject: TD in Hamburg
Really-From: 'K.E'
Hello Dreamers
Will any of you be at the concert in Hamburg 15/4? What about meeting
somewhere before the concert like we did in London?
Anyone from Denmark reading this? We will arrange a bus transport from
Herning, and if you`re interested in joining us - please contact me!
Kindly
Kent Eskildsen
Been dreaming since Stratosfear 1976...
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 9:09
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Subject: Re: Analog vs. Digital TD
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: feldon@n...
-snip-
> ... Then someone let me borrow Electronic
> Meditation. Out of ignorance, I made a vow that I wouldn't buy and pre
> 1986 TD, assuming that most of early TD was this 'random'. But I came
> into some money and bought Phaedra. After that, I got pretty much all
> of them except Pink years. ...
Oh wow Morgan. If you like 'Phaedra', you should really give 'Alpha
Centauri', 'Zeit' ('i' before 'e' except in German), and 'Atem' a
listen. I was prejudiced against 'pink' just like you until I heard
them -- pure space and not the random crashing of 'EM'. -- Mark
From:
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 9:26
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Subject: Re: The TD Roots Collection and...
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
> At 02:05 AM 2/18/97 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
> >Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 19:34:00 -0500
> >Subject: RE: The TD Roots Collection and....
> >
> >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> >
> >
> >
> >> 2) Supernatural Fairy Tales - The Progressive Rock Era
> >What's to discuss? There's no TD on it. It does have Golden Earring,
> >though. Why, I have no idea.
> >
> >Scott
>
> Sorry to bother y'all. I guess I thought that putting TD in historical
> perspective had some instructional value. The readership of this list
> seems to have changed, since when originally conceived, discussions not
> only about TD, but also TD ex-members, and TD musical perspectives were
> intermixed ad lib.
Naw, I wouldn't think it has changed. Sometimes a body can have a bad
hair day though. Don't let it phase you. This list could use a good
historian with a broad perspective. And I agree with you that TD is not
and never has been 'new age'. I detested it when the band got stuck in
there with Kitaro and David Arkenstone. Persist! It's your list too --
Mark
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 12:11
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Subject: what's next cont'd
Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones)
sorry, I hit the short-cut send key in eudora before I finished the alpha
list but you get the idea; so what's best? alpha or chrono. send in your
votes.
and what about the TD postscript? or should we wait until after the solos
so that we can add the next 2-3-4 cds??/videos
Also, does anyone else (Vic?) want to do the D:list? I volunteered just to
keep the D:list going but if someone else really wants to get in and do
this, that is perfectly fine with me (my feelings won't be hurt at all) ....
lars
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Subject: Re: D:what's next
Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones)
>Subject: Re: d:what's next, a suggestion
>Really-From: Vic Rek
[...]
>Other opinions:
>1. Hoenig, Jolliffe, Schnitzler (see my reviews), and Schulze should be left
>out. Members on this list should feel free to post their own reviews on
>these (and any other related) artists at their leisure.
---agreed; does anyone object?
>2. The remaining artists should be reviewed in alphabetical/chronological
order:
---I agree with the alphabetical treatment of the artists (sorry Armin);
what about the chronological v. alphabetical treatment of the individual
works? Why did the D:list end up going by alpha and not chrono (green
desert?)? How do other people feel about this?
I think that we should delete all compilations (just like we didn't treat
Tangents etc on the D:list), mention of the compilations could be made in
reference to any of the works under dicussion; Edgar's BTS is, of course,
the equivalent to tangents in this regard. This however raises an
interesting point. I think we should add a TD D:list postscript covering
the new material since the D:list and adding in the unreleased disc from
tangents (anyone could discuss tangents in general that week). The problem
is of course, that we are told that some new releases are on the way (ha!
perhaps just another line from Berlin--there are still no official release
dates). A TD postscript could run something like this:
Dream Roots Collection, Disc 5
Goblin's Club
Oasis (never mind the cd, it is on video and thus on cassette)
Rumpelstiltskin (since it was overlooked? on the D:list)
Shepherd's Bush (or should we save this for a discussion of the singles??)
Tangents, Disc 5
> Peter Baumann (4 weeks):
> Romance 76
> [Baumann/Koek ? Few probably have this. --delete??--]
> Trans Harmonic Nights
> Repeat Repeat
> Strangers in the Night
> [Phase by Phase ? No - avoid compilations --delete--]
or alphabetical:
RR, R76, SITN, THN
> Christoph Franke (13 + weeks)
> Pacific Coast Highway
> McBain ?
> The London Concert
> Universal Soldier
> New Music for Films: Vol. 1
> Klemania
> Raven
> [Enchanting Nature -- compilation???, delete --]
> Babylon 5
> Night of the Running Man
> The Celestine Prophecy
> Tenchi The Movie
> Perry Rhodan - Pax Terra
> Babylon 5 II
> others coming soon... --delete, unless a close release date is set--
or alphabetical:
B5I, B5II, CP, Klem, tLC, McB, NOTRM, Rav, NMFFI, PR-PT, Tenchi, US
> Edgar Froese (8 weeks)
> Aqua
> Epsilon in Malaysian Pale
--(the Electronic Dreams backwards track should be treated here with EIMP)
> Macula Transfer
> Ages
> Stuntman
> Kamikaze 1989
> Pinnacles
> Beyond the Storm --new material only??
or alpha:
Ages, Aqua, BTS,
> Paul Haslinger (2 weeks)
> Lightwave: Tycho Brache ? I'd pass on this --delete--
> Lightwave: Mundus Subterraneus ? I'd pass on this --delete--
> Future Primitive
> World Without Rules
> Johannes Schmoelling (4 weeks)
> Wuivend Riet
> Zoo of Tranquillity
> White Out
> Der Zaubergeiger Settembrini ? --??--
> Songs No Words
>3. I also think Steve Schroyder (AKA Star Sounds Orchestra) would be
>interesting to review, but probably should be left out.
--agreed
>
>That's it,
>Vic
thanks for the additions/complete(?) list
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Subject: Re: what's next cont'd
Really-From: Vic Rek
At 07:11 AM 2/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones)
>
>so what's best? alpha or chrono. send in your
>votes.
1. Like I mentioned earlier. I favor artists by alphabetical order because
it keeps it simple and nobody will argue over who is more important.
2. Chronological order is very important to me for the releases since you
get to address the evolution of the solo artists career in some kind of
logical order. Other points:
a. The readers of this list get to learn the actual release order, or if
there are any questions at least have them cleared up (remember Firestarter
and Flashpoint?).
b. If new releases come out (TD included), we pick a week, maybe after we
are finished discussing one artist, and spend a few weeks catching up on the
new releases keeping in mind that we must allow some time for the fans to
aquire the music. Also a new release will 'blend' in nicely if we are
discussing releases in chronological order.
>
>and what about the TD postscript? or should we wait until after the solos
>so that we can add the next 2-3-4 cds??/videos
Addressed in 2b above.
>
>Also, does anyone else (Vic?) want to do the D:list? I volunteered just to
>keep the D:list going but if someone else really wants to get in and do
>this, that is perfectly fine with me (my feelings won't be hurt at all) ....
>
I'm willing to help, so if you'd like (and the readers), I can take on this
effort.
Half the job is already complete? So I guess the discussion week runs from
Saturday through Friday, with a post to the group each Friday?
The call is your Lars?
Vic
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 1:41
pm
Subject: For sale
Really-From: 'Jonathan Block'
I know some of you have bought CDs from me before, but an unfortunate crash
deleted some addresses, so I have to post this to the list. I have a couple
of TD's for sale. First-class postage is included, but unfortunately, U.S.
readers only.
Live! Improvised (2 CDs; $50.00)
Danger Live ($25.00)
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Subject: The Prog box
Really-From: 'Jonathan Block'
Andrew J. Rozsa wrote:
>>So, other than 'Searching' recorded ca. 1970 by Klaus Schulze ('previously
unissued'), 'Der Vierte Kuss' recorded by Ash Ra Tempel also ca. 1970 (and
also hitherto 'unissued'), brief comments by Klaus Schulze and Manuel
Gottsching, superior instruction, and a immensely valuable overview of the
evolution of the kind of music we profess to like, indeed there is little
of interest in this collection.<<<
FYI. Altho listed as such, 'Searching' is not previously unreleased, but is
actually 'The Real McCoy' from disc 10 of the Historic Edition
Jonathan
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 1:26
pm
Subject: Re: The TD Roots Collection and...
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>historian with a broad perspective. And I agree with you that TD is not
>and never has been 'new age'. I detested it when the band got stuck in
>there with Kitaro and David Arkenstone. Persist! It's your list too --
I've always thought that it depends how you define 'new age.' After
something becomes popular and makes money, it's bound to lose some of
its original integrity. Grunge was good when it was only Nirvana and
Pearl Jam, but then a bunch of half-arsed no-talents started playing and
it went all to hell. Ditto with new age. There used to be a radio show
on college station WUJC in Cleveland called 'Atmospheres' and the main
DJ for the show, Kenyon Mao (love that name!) said that 'yuppie muzak'
was the direct antithesis of true new age music and thought. True new
age, he said, is 'the child of progressive rock. Anything is possible,
any instrument, or non-instrument, any musical or rhythmical pattern.'
Artists who make musical wallpaper or easy listening on a synth and call
it 'new age' should be filed under 'easy listening' or in the garbage
can. Tangerine Dream, he said, took the electronic experimentation of
Stockhausen and his ilk and turned it real music, and thus a 'new age'
of music was born.
I ahve a rather lengthy article about new age from a local
entertainement rag about 12 years ago. If I get bored this weekend, I'll
key it in and post it.
Scott
From:
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 1:32
pm
Subject: Re: Is there any need for this?
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
><< Seriously, though, I've always found it odd that TD never showed any
> disco influences during that era. Even Pink Floyd, the band that killed
> disco, showed some influence of it, but TD never did.
>care to explain your reasoning? especially the comments about floyd....
Re: disco influences, Another Brick pt2 has a distinctive disco beat,
especially in the end piece, after the kid's choir; Run Like Hell also
has a disco beat, and Roger Waters used to introduce it in concert as a
disco number.
Re: Killing disco, that's purely my opinion. When I reviewed The Wall
for my school newspaper in 1979, my review read simply 'The epitaph for
the '70s.'
Scott
From:
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 1:11
pm
Subject: Time signatures (Was: Analog vs. Digital TD)
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>Maybe I'm being oversimplified; and maybe I'm talking over people's heads.
>I'm no music theory student, but I do think it is cool that TD has the guts
>to change from 2:4 to 3:4 to 4:4 time over a 12 measure stretch(like when
>they play a rhythm note early and then go with it like nothing's wrong,
>thus
>skipping over 1/4th of a measure)...
I've been meaning to ask this, and the above reminded me. I've read that
many prog bands in the '70s used really unusual time signatures, like
9/8 or even 21/15. Most rock songs are in 4/4 or 2/4. Did TD ever use
any really unusual times?
Scott
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Date: (Date Unavailable)
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #839
Really-From: craigs@p... (Craig Shipley)
>From the digest;
>
> Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker)
>
> >Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones)
> >
> >
> >Schroyder, Steve -- delete (no solo works ??????)
>
> He has several works on CD under a group name - the name of which completely
> elludes me (I might be 33 years old - but my memory is that of a man
> three times my age). I am not strongly suggesting that he be included just
> mentioning this info.
>
> Alan
>
> PS I've seen his band play live, own one CD and still can't remember...
>
Well, Alan, let me bring my mid-1950's era memory on-line.
Schroyder has about 5 CD's available at last count (there is supposed to be a
live recording out that I would like to snag, but haven't seen advertised
anywhere). There were two or three under the name STAR SOUNDS ORCHESTRA (my,
how New Age-y!) which is Schroyder on synths and Jens Zygar on gongs and
percussion. The titles are 'Planets' 'Kosmonphon' (sp?) and 'Phantastche
Phanonome', with 'PP' being the best of the three. Two solo works (although
one has Zygar on it); INSIDE THE GREAT PYRAMID and STARS, SOUNDS AND COLOURS
(may not have the title exactly right). Then there was a 'best of' his band,
Augenstern.
I think that he should be included, as he appeared on at least two recorded
TD works, which is more than you can say for Hoenig (are there even any boots
with him on it?)
As for the Baumann/Koek release (which I do have a vinyl copy of), wasn't that
'officially' declared (by Herr Baumann himself) to be another artists' work?
(It sure sounds like Baumann to these ears!!)
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From:
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 3:36
pm
Subject: Re: D:what's next
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>works? Why did the D:list end up going by alpha and not chrono (green
>desert?)? How do other people feel about this?
I think, if I remember correctly, that we decided to do it
alphabetically because of GD and Pergamon, but also there was a
consensus that many folks didn't have the early albums, and might lose
interest after five or more weeks discussing albums they didn't own. It
was kinda funny, we started with 220 Volt and the next one was Alpha, I
believe, so there was really a lot of variation.
>Dream Roots Collection, Disc 5
>Goblin's Club
>Oasis (never mind the cd, it is on video and thus on cassette)
>Rumpelstiltskin (since it was overlooked? on the D:list)
>Shepherd's Bush (or should we save this for a discussion of the singles??)
>Tangents, Disc 5
I'll add these to the end of the current D: list if no one objects.
Scott
From:
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 3:44
pm
Subject: D: The list update
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
Here's what remains of the list, with those other five items added:
Tyranny of Beauty: Feb 24
Underwater Sunlight: Mar 3
Wavelength: Mar 10
White Eagle: Mar 17
Zeit: Mar 24
Zoning: Mar 31
Dream Roots Collection, Disc 5: Apr 7
Goblin's Club: Apr 14
Oasis: Apr 21
Rumpelstiltskin: Apr 28
Shepherd's Bush: May 5
Tangents, Disc 5: May 12
If someone objects to having any of those items on the list, let me know
and I'll take them off.
Scott
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 11:05
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Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #839
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> Really-From: craigs@p... (Craig Shipley)
>
> Schroyder has about 5 CD's available at last count (there is supposed to be a
> live recording out that I would like to snag, but haven't seen advertised
> anywhere). There were two or three under the name STAR SOUNDS ORCHESTRA (my,
> how New Age-y!) which is Schroyder on synths and Jens Zygar on gongs and
> percussion. The titles are 'Planets' 'Kosmonphon' (sp?) and 'Phantastche
> Phanonome', with 'PP' being the best of the three.
Star Sound Orchestra released a 2CD 'live' set in 1995 (or
1996) called Inter-Planetary Ambience (if memory serves). I
quickly snapped it up from a small shop in Aberdeen
(stocked in their ambient section) and haven't seen it anywhere else.
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59
am
Subject: Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96
Really-From: Doreen Williams
Hmmmm maybe I am wrong but I am pretty sure that TD played a little of 'Love
On A real Train' at the S.Bush gig.....it wasn't the whole track but I am
sure a little was played somewhere.
>Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...>
>Hello folks,
>Here goes another tracklist. This one was easy--it's on TD's homepage--but
>actually, there are a couple of slight clarifications Mark and I made to more
>accurately reflect what was actually played.....enjoy!
>--John Burek and Mark Schaffer
>____________________________________________________________________________
>_____
>_
>TRACKLIST: London Shepherds Bush Empire 30.11.96
>First set
>1) Opening atmospheres
>2) Barbakane (excerpt)
>3) Sundance Kid
>4) Hyperborea
>5) Warsaw in the Sun
>6) Exit
>7) Stratosfear 1995
>8) Dolphin Dance
>9) Melrose
>10) Streethawk
>11) The Blue Bridge
>12) Oriental Haze
>Second set
>13) Piano solos (Edgar and Linda--an excerpt from Ricochet Part Two and some
>Mozart)
>14) Nomad (unreleased track)
>15) 220 Volt
>16) Dreamtime
>17) Catwalk (with lengthy new intro)
>18) Firetongues
>19) Girls on Broadway
>20) Rising Haul in Silence
>21) Lamb With Radar Eyes
>22) Touchwood (Forest Mix)
>23) Towards the Evening Star
>Encores
>24) Hamlet
>25) Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal
>26) Eleanor Rigby
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-----
>---------------------------------------
>Known fan recordings:
>30.11.96 London Shepherd's Bush Empire (several versions)
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tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59
am
Subject: The Moog Cookbook
Really-From: Doreen Williams
Any Moog lovers out there who might be tempted to buy the album 'The Moog
Cookbook'.........I would highly recommend that you keep your money firmly in
your pocket,I recently got it for a friend as a present,I had heard a bit of
it so I kew what to expect,I only brought it him as a joke but it really is a
lot poorer than I even had expected......if you don't know it is just versions
of well known rock songs like Soundgardens 'BlackholeSun or 'Feels Like Teen
Sprit' by Nirvania played purely on moogs.....it is obviously done as a joke
but I am sure some people woould buy it without realising what they are
letting themselves in for!.
Matt.....
From:
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59
am
Subject: TD T-Shirts from S.Bush concert.
Really-From: Doreen Williams
Hi Everyone,
I am pretty annoyed at the moment,I brought one T-Shirt from the Shepherd
Bush gig in November and I have hardly worn it about three times I think...my
mother has washed it on a very low heat(the lowest a t-shirt can be cleaned)
and already the black print is starting to fade away......When I brought the
shirt at the gig I was a little concerned that the quality looked a little
suspect but I expected it to last longer then just over two months.....has
anyone else noticed the same problem with the shirts...mine is a white one if
you havn't guessed......and does anyone know where I can still get one,I think
I need one that I won't wear but keep as a souvenier.
Also(and I am sorry that everything is a moan in this mail) was anyone else
annoyed with the cover to the S.Bush CD.....I mean it's pretty dumb to make a
cover to a CD out of cardboard....my CD already has little scratches on it
from rubbing against the cover....in the end I decided to tape it and put the
CD away so it will never be touched again.....I doubt it is possible to get
the CD from anywhere now is it?????.
Anyway if anyone is reading this who deals with TD merchandise for the gigs
just use your common sense and don't make the covers to CDs out of
cardboard,it only ruins the CD and don't sell us bad quality t-shirts....I
recently saw the british band Skunk Anansie live and I brought a long sleeve
t-shirt for 5 pounds and I have worn it double the TD length and it still
looks new and hasn't gone out of shape unlike my TD t-shirt(I even brought the
Skunk Anansie one from one of those dodgy guys who sell outside the gig....now
that is a bargin ;).
Matt....
From:
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59
am
Subject: Re: More TD tour dates
Really-From: Doreen Williams
Any chance that they might play in England again on this tour or have us
brits had our live TD experience for another few years????.
Matt.......
>TD's Home Page issued the following tour dates:
>>>>
>Tangerine Dream European Tour 1997
> Starting at April 9th, Tangerine Dream will open
>Tickets are available the European Tour 1997 with the following
>from: concerts:
>Moderne Welt GmbH Wed, 04/09/97 Vienna TBA
>Marienbaderstr. 6/1, Thu, 04/10/97 Leipzig/Dresden TBA
>D-70372 Stuttgart Fri, 04/11/97 Bonn Beethovenhalle
>Tel.: +49.711.9547474
>Fax: +49.711.9547470 Sat, 04/12/97 Mnchen Circus Krone
> Sun, 04/13/97 Nrnberg/Erlangen Stadthalle
> Erlangen
> Tue, 04/15/97 Hamburg Musikhalle
> Wed, 04/16/97 Berlin Hochschule der
> Kuenste (HdK)
> Thu, 04/17/97 Hannover Music Hall
> Fri, 04/18/97 Neu-Isenburg Hugenottenhalle
> Sat, 04/19/97 Brussels TBA
> Sun, 04/20/97 Amsterdam TBA
> Tue, 04/22/97 Budapest TBA
> Wed, 04/23/97 Zabrze (Poland) TBA
> Thu, 04/24/97 Prague TBA
> Fri, 04/25/97 Linz TBA
> Sat, 04/26/97 Ljubljana TBA
> (Slovenia)
> Mon, 04/28/97 Italy TBA
> Tue, 04/29/97 Italy TBA
> Wed, 04/30/97 Italy TBA
> Thu, 05/01/97 Zrich TBA
> Fri, 05/02/97 Geneva/Genf TBA
> Sat, 05/03/97 Lyon TBA
> Mon, 05/05/97 Paris TBA
> Tue, 05/06/97 Bordeaux TBA
> Wed, 05/07/97 San TBA
> Sebastian(Spain)
> Thu, 05/08/97 Madrid TBA
> Sat, 05/31/97 Athen TBA
> Sun, 06/01/97 Thessaloniki TBA
> TBA = to be announced
>The tour will be continued!!! So watch out for updates or changes often,
>cause all dates (except for Germany) are tentative. The list was last
>updated on Wed, 02/12/97.
>>>> End quote
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 4:33
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Subject: Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96
Really-From: m.schaffer@i...
>
> Really-From: Doreen Williams
>
>
>
>
> Hmmmm maybe I am wrong but I am pretty sure that TD played a little of 'Love
> On A real Train' at the S.Bush gig.....it wasn't the whole track but I am
> sure a little was played somewhere.
>
Hmmmmm, I don't think so. I was waiting all evening for them to play
LOART, and remember being particularly disappointed when they didn't.
Don't suppose you remember whereabouts in the show you heard this?
Mark Schaffer
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 11:34
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Subject: td tour
Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
>>>>>>>>
Really-From: Doreen Williams
Any chance that they might play in England again on this tour or have us
brits had our live TD experience for another few years????.
Matt.......
>>>>>>>>>>>>
It is a *European* Tour, Matt.... ;)
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: TD: It's a Disco Thang! ;)
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: td 'n' disco
>Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:46:52 GMT
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
>
>I think the TD 'n' disco non-connection was referring to
>70s - early 80s disco (Bee Gees and Saturday Night fever, Donna
>Summer, what else? I remember I grew up at this time, and I listened
>to it all as a kid, but suddenly there were Pink Floyd, and then TD)
The Bee Gees' SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER, from 1976, more or less defined
American disco, whereas 1977-1979 Donna Summer did much to define
Eurodisco. 1975-1976 Donna Summer was not too distinctive one way or
the other, despite such hits as 'Love to Love You Baby' and a pretty
good cover version of Barry Manilow's 'Could It Be Magic' (hey, Barry
Manilow mentioned on the TD list: is that an all-time low?).
What is this nonsense about Pink Floyd and TD coming after disco???
I hope you are referring to when *you* turned on to these to bands and
not some sort of perceived objective chronology! ;)
-- Steven Feldman and
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 7:04
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Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #839
Really-From: Vic Rek
>Well, Alan, let me bring my mid-1950's era memory on-line.
>
>Schroyder has about 5 CD's available at last count (there is supposed to be a
>live recording out that I would like to snag, but haven't seen advertised
>anywhere).
He also has 3 cassette only releases.
Also, you mean:
Inter-Planetary Ambience (Live in London) - Germany I.T.P. AEOS 001CD, 2
CD, 1995 - Tower Records can get it for a small fee: $38
>
>As for the Baumann/Koek release (which I do have a vinyl copy of), wasn't that
>'officially' declared (by Herr Baumann himself) to be another artists' work?
>(It sure sounds like Baumann to these ears!!)
Interesting - Can anybody elaborate on this?
I also think there is a bootleg LP release of this with a white label?
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Really-From: 'Chris Curran'
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Subject: Re: TD preferences (Was: pushing the hot butt again)
Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
> >> How would you feel if Edgar tangenized Encore pt. 3 or so? And make
> >> it a pop-track. This is how Stratos'95 sounds to me. I'm sorry.
>
> >I would probably love it! What (I think) Lars and I were getting at was
> >that
> >the original 'Stratosfear' is (IMO, maybe not his) a pretty bland,
> >colourless piece, as is most of _Encore_, IMO. (I *LOVED* the Monolight
> >remixes
>
> I think I see a theory in the making here. I think what each of us likes
> about TD is shaped by the direction we came from when we discovered
> them. I came from the psychedelic/progressive direction, originally
> listening to Pink Floyd and Genesis in large doses. I gravitate towards
> the Baumann and early Schmoelling eras. I dare say that Gabe may have
> come more from a techno/ambient direction, and thus is more inclined
> toward Haslinger and after. Am I right?
>
> Scott
Um, not quite Scott. :) If anything, I only really discovered
techno/ambient AFTER first getting into mid-70s TD when I started college
in 1992. Prior to that, my musical background (in both preferences and
training) was strongly classical. I had recently gotten into minimalism,
and was only just beginning to consider other 20th Century stuff to be of
any worth. So obviously, at the time, _Phaedra_ struck me as an almost
seamless blending of all these elements. Rather than get to know TD
chronologically, I decided to do it from the ends in. So after getting
_Rockoon_ as the followup to _Phaedra_ (about 6 months elapsed in between
purchases !), it was basically a 'this is where they were, this is where
they are, now how did they get there?' thing. Had I chosen to get all
the albums in chronological order, I probably would not have arrived at
my current understanding of the band and its music.
Gabe
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 8:00
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Subject: Highway to Hell
Really-From: HMller1095@a...
Hi everybody,
the Internet Movie Database lists the movie 'Highway form Hell' as having a
TD soundtrack, and this was mentioned once or twice here in the list.
My question is: Has anybody actually seen this film, or do we all rely on one
source of information only? Any help is welcome.
Hans-Peter
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Subject: Re:
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>Really-From: 'Chris Curran'
>unsubscribe tadream digest
Do none of you read the #@%!&* FAQ that is sent to you when you first join the
list? The unsubscribe info is in the first #$%^@)!( paragraph!
Losing my patience just a #%^@$^&@!!! little bit,
B. Kirby
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 9:06
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Subject: Two mystery tracks
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
Well, mysteries to me, anyway. There are two tracks on the '70 - 80'
collection that don't appear to have been released elsewhere: Baryll
Blue and Haunted Heights. Whoa, make that three! There's also Chimes and
Chains. What's the story?
Dvoyy (oops! Mistyped my name!)
Scott
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Subject: Two mystery tracks -Reply
Really-From: florin epure
>Well, mysteries to me, anyway. There are two tracks on the '70 - 80'
>collection that don't appear to have been released elsewhere
>From Dave Datta discography:
TD 70-80 (4LP) compilation
------------------------------------
Disc 3 contains 3 unreleased tracks:
-Barryl Blue 7:20 (Froese solo)
-Chimes & Chains 4:45 (Franke solo)
-Haunted Heights 6:10 (Baumann solo)
These tracks appeared integrally on 'Sol et Luna' (Mystery Tracks 2)
Also on 70/90 but they are a little shorter.
Florin.
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 9:20
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Subject: Re: TD T-Shirts from S.Bush concert.
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Doreen Williams
-snip-
> Also(and I am sorry that everything is a moan in this mail) was anyone
> else annoyed with the cover to the S.Bush CD.....I mean it's pretty
> dumb to make a cover to a CD out of cardboard....my CD already has
> little scratches on it from rubbing against the cover....in the end I
> decided to tape it and put the CD away so it will never be touched
> again.....
I bought a double CD jewelbox and combined it with 'GC' into a sorta
double albumette.
> ...I doubt it is possible to get the CD from anywhere now is
> it?????.
I believe Pastel Blue http://www.demon.co.uk/pastel right there in your
fair country has some Shepherd's Bush CDs. -- Mark
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 9:45
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Subject: D: Why are we doing this?
Really-From: Mark Filipak
(Subj was Re: D:what's next)
Lars wrote:
-snip-
> I think that we should delete all compilations (just like we didn't
> treat Tangents etc on the D:list), mention of the compilations could
> be made in reference to any of the works under dicussion; Edgar's BTS
> is, of course, the equivalent to tangents in this regard.
-snip-
Am I the only person who disagrees with this? I have never bought comps
for any band except as an intro to a band I didn't know, and even then I
would recycle the comp when I got the albums. So I don't have _any_ TD
comps. Now I find out that even 'BofD' is not really a comp -- it has
new mixes/new performances. What is new? How is it 'new'? What
treatments were done? It occurs to me that this is exactly the type of
discussion we should be having, not throttling.
I know 'Tangents' has been extensively discussed but _only_ in the
context of people who already have it. Was I asleep (dreaming
perchance)? I didn't get much out of those discussions except that
there are 'blue' parts and 'future' parts and 'canyon' parts of songs --
I don't have a clue what these _parts_ are and was looking forward to a
more complete discussion of them.
I get the sense that we could spend a week on each disc in 'Tangents'
and you guys want to skip it entirely. I don't get it. What are we
having these discussions for?
The previous D: have been nice but most everybody already had
the albums so the reviews were basically one way. But real analysis of
'Tangents' 'DRC' 'BofD' would be informative.
Just my $2/100. Feel free to ignore it as I'm sure you will. -- Mark
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: The Four Non-LP Tracks on the '70-'80 Box Set
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: Two mystery tracks
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:06:00 -0500
>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>Well, mysteries to me, anyway. There are two tracks on the '70 - 80'
>collection that don't appear to have been released elsewhere: Baryll
>Blue and Haunted Heights. Whoa, make that three! There's also Chimes and
>Chains. What's the story?
Yessiree bob: the '70-'80 box set has these three non-LP solo cuts
as well as a single version of 'Monolight.' 'Baryll Blue' is obviously
an outtake from Froese's AGES, 'Haunted Heights' is probably from
Baumann's ROMANCE '76 sessions, and 'Chimes and Chains' . . . what *did*
Chris do this for, anywho? For the box set *specifically*?!? Dunno.
-- Steven Feldman and
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Subject: Re:
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>
> >Really-From: 'Chris Curran'
>
> >unsubscribe tadream digest
>
> Do none of you read the #@%!&* FAQ that is sent to you when you first
> join the list? The unsubscribe info is in the first #$%^@)!(
> paragraph!
>
> Losing my patience just a #%^@$^&@!!! little bit,
> B. Kirby
Who are you posting this to Brian? 'They' are gone and 'We' don't want
to see this. -- Mark
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Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 1:47
am
Subject: RE: The Four Non-LP Tracks on the '70-'80 Box Set
Really-From: Jim Moore
No, none of these songs appear in other solo releases.
- jimbo
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
> Yessiree bob: the '70-'80 box set has these three non-LP solo cuts
> as well as a single version of 'Monolight.' 'Baryll Blue' is obviously
> an outtake from Froese's AGES, 'Haunted Heights' is probably from
> aumann's ROMANCE '76 sessions, and 'Chimes and Chains' . . . what *did*
> Chris do this for, anywho? For the box set *specifically*?!? Dunno.
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: Shortened Tracks on MYSTERY TRACKS 1 & 2 :(
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: Two mystery tracks -Reply
>Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:52:47 -0500
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: florin epure
>
>-Barryl Blue 7:20 (Froese solo)
>-Chimes & Chains 4:45 (Franke solo)
>-Haunted Heights 6:10 (Baumann solo)
>
>These tracks appeared integrally on 'Sol et Luna' (Mystery Tracks 2)
>Also on 70/90 but they are a little shorter.
Why are they shorter on 70/90? I have a tape of this and always
wondered why they are shorter.
Also, the extended version of 'Dr. Destructo' on MYSTERY TRACKS
1 is shorter than the version that is on the actual extended 12-inch
vinyl record (which I have).
-- Steven Feldman and
From:
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Date: Wed Feb 19, 1997 10:31
pm
Subject: Re: TD: It's a Disco Thang! ;)
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
-snip-
> The Bee Gees' SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER, from 1976, more or less
> defined American disco, whereas 1977-1979 Donna Summer did much to
> define Eurodisco. 1975-1976 Donna Summer was not too distinctive one
> way or the other, despite such hits as 'Love to Love You Baby' and a
> pretty good cover version of Barry Manilow's 'Could It Be Magic' (hey,
> Barry Manilow mentioned on the TD list: is that an all-time low?).
-snip-
Actually Steven, disco (short for discoteque) started in France in the
late 60s/early 70s -- a time period during which we were preoccupied
with 'saving' South East Asia. Saying Donna Summer did much to define
Eurodisco (invented term?) is awfully American-centric. -- Mark (way off
topic with this one).
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59
am
Subject: Re: td tour
Really-From: Matt Williams
>Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
>>>>>>>>>
>Really-From: Matthew Williams
> Any chance that they might play in England again on this tour or have us
>brits had our live TD experience for another few years????.
> Matt.......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>It is a *European* Tour, Matt.... ;)
I thought Britain was meant to be a part of Europe these days!.
Matt...
>Armin
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Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 12:06
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Subject: Re: TD in Hamburg
Really-From: stephan bischoff
At 00:18 19.02.97 +0100, 'K.E' wrote:
>Will any of you be at the concert in Hamburg 15/4? What about meeting
>somewhere before the concert like we did in London?
I Got my cards in january, if hell doesn't freeze over I'll be there.
I thought of a meeting before, too. Anybody knows a pub (or in german:
lokal / kneipe) near the Musikhalle?
Dream on, Stephan
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: Many TD Compilations Are Fair Game for Discussion
Really-From: Steven Feldman
First, here is a list of all the TD-related compilations that do
not have and/or never did have any new material--remixed or otherwise:
85 DREAM SEQUENCE (3-Record Set) [Virgin]
87 THE COLLECTION (2-Record Set) [Castle Communications]
89 THE BEST OF TANGERINE DREAM (2-Record Set) [later re-packaged as...]
91 FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK--TANGERINE DREAM--1973-88 (1-CD rehash of above)
92 DREAM MUSIC (Silva Screen sndtrck compilation: DSP, TPiM, Deadly C.)
95 DREAM MUSIC 2 (Silva Screen sndtrck comp; 4 TD tracks by other bands)
96 ATMOSPHERICS [similar to FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK compilation]
What remains, then, are the TD compilations that once had or have
always had new material--and the TD solo compilations, all of which,
except for Froese's ELECTRONIC DREAMS and SOLO 1974-1979, have some
sort of all-new material somewhere or other.
Here are the two Froese solos with something different but not
precisely 'new':
EDGAR FROESE (1967-present; founder/leader of TD) solos:
75 ELECTRONIC DREAMS (comp; M. Bay is recorded backwards)
79 SOLO 1974-1979 (compilation featuring superior remixes of many cuts)
What follows is a compilation-by-compilation commentary on what is
different about particular TD compilations and why anyone here should
give a rat's ass:
TD COMPILATIONS:
80 TANGERINE DREAM '70-'80 (4-Record Set; 4 non-LP tracks) [Virgin]
An AGES (Froese solo) outtake, a Baumann non-LP solo track, a
Franke solo track, and a 45 rpm track ('Monolight').
86 IN THE BEGINNING (6-Record Set) (first pressing of GREEN DESERT)
In 1986, this set had one all-new record--since GREEN DESERT first
appeared as the 6th record of this set: not on its own.
92 THE PRIVATE MUSIC OF TANGERINE DREAM (2 previously-unreleased tracks)
'Roaring of the Bliss' and 'Beavertown' appear only here.
94 TANGENTS (5-CD Set) (almost entirely remixed; 1 all-new CD)
Some tracks, like 'Phaedra,' 'Pergamon,' and 'Logos' are so
drastically altered that they might as well be new much in the way
that 'Stratosfear '96' is 'new' . . . and then there's that 5th CD.
95 THE DREAM MIXES ([Miramar] 6 remixes & 4 all-new tracks)
These 'remixes' are pretty much new songs rather than remixes,
and then four of the tracks are brand-new.
95 BOOK OF DREAMS ([Essential Records] 2 CDs; all are Virgin remixes)
Like the case with THE DREAM MIXES, some tracks here are more
like different songs than TANGENTS-esque reworkings.
96 [UK:] THE DREAM MIXES (UK vers. of the 1995 release; has a 2nd disk)
Two remixes of THE DREAM MIXES tracks, and then two tracks that
appear nowhere else: 'Iowa' and 'Sojus.'
97 THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD Set, with one all-new CD)
Dunno. Haven't heard this yet--but one CD is all-new.
CHRISTOPH(ER) FRANKE (1971-1989) solos:
9? NEW MUSIC FOR FILMS, VOL. 1 (sndtrck comp; all previously unreleased)
Nothing here appears on any other Franke solo.
9? ENCHANTING NATURE (PCH remixed, w/ 4 new tracks)[The Nature Company]
Four new tracks.
EDGAR FROESE (1967-present; founder/leader of TD) solos:
75 ELECTRONIC DREAMS (comp; M. Bay is recorded backwards!)
One track is backwards--and is still good on its own merits! Does
this qualify as a 'new song'? That is debatable, but what is not
debatable is that the two versions of 'Maroubra Bay' must be assessed
separately.
79 SOLO 1974-1979 (compilation featuring superior remixes of many cuts)
Two tracks here are not so much remixes as new songs, but I forget
which they are. Also, since (IMHO) MACULA TRANSFER and AGES are fairly
weak efforts, some of the remixes are a big improvement, especially in
the case of the remix of 'OS 452' (from MACULA TRANSFER).
95 BEYOND THE STORM (2-CDs; 1/2 is remixes of previously-released stuff)
Half is mostly TANGENTS-ized stuff, with the exception of one track
which is totally overhauled (I think it is 'Upland'). The other half is
totally new. Since the two CDs have the same running time, it's sort of
a drag that all the remixes weren't on one CD, with the new stuff on the
other. But hey, that's what CD-Rs are for, right? ;)
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Okay, so I meant Giorgio Moroder, not Donna Summer.
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: Re: TD: It's a Disco Thang! ;)
>Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:31:25 -0800
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
>Actually Steven, disco (short for discoteque) started in France in the
>late 60s/early 70s -- a time period during which we were preoccupied
>with 'saving' South East Asia. [. . . ]
Yes, but there is a difference between discos as places in the
60s/70s--and disco as a type of music played in discos in the late
70s-to-early-80s.
>[. . .] Saying Donna Summer did much to define Eurodisco (invented
>term?) is awfully American-centric.
Well *somebody* invented it, I suppose, but it wasn't *me*. Apply
the same rationale, though, and one could construe that the techno-esque
term 'jungle' is a racist comment cloaked in hip ergot. At any rate,
when I said Donna Summer, I really meant--of course--Giorgio Moroder.
Three key sources are responsible for Eurodisco:
1.) Giorgio Moroder
2.) Kraftwerk
3.) Cerrone
Did I forget anyone? (There's also Simon Sousson, Bob Esty,
Tom Moulton, Harvey Fuqua, Patrick Cowley, and a certain Musicland
(Moroder's studio) protege by the name of Sylvester LeVay . . . who
did about half of the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH soundtrack (there's your
obligatory TD reference, hee hee!).
-- Steven Feldman and
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59
am
Subject: Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96
Really-From: Matt Williams
>Really-From: m.schaffer@i...
>>
>> Really-From: Matthew Williams
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hmmmm maybe I am wrong but I am pretty sure that TD played a little of
>> 'Love
>> On A real Train' at the S.Bush gig.....it wasn't the whole track but I am
>> sure a little was played somewhere.
>>
>Hmmmmm, I don't think so. I was waiting all evening for them to play
>LOART, and remember being particularly disappointed when they didn't.
>Don't suppose you remember whereabouts in the show you heard this?
>Mark Schaffer
LOART is my favorite track and I remember thinking how disapointing it was
that it was only played briefly.......I'll have to look through the tracklist
again but I am sure it was played very briefly in the first section on the
concert.
Matt.....
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Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 1:48
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Subject: Re: Many TD Compilations Are Fair Game for Discussion
Really-From: Vic Rek
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
> What follows is a compilation-by-compilation commentary on what is
>different about particular TD compilations and why anyone here should
>give a rat's ass:
>
Thanks for the information about the compilations. Off the top of my head I
can think of two other compilations:
The Story of Tangerine Dream - Jive 2 CD 1992
Tangerine Dream - Holland Disky label 1996?
Vic
From:
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Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 3:08
am
Subject: TD CD Overdose!
Really-From: Rich Maggio
Fellow TD listees,
Having kept notes on various reviews of soundtracks, the new box set,
etc., I decided to plunge in and make some purchases. I was recently
in a lull because I have all of the Virgin stuff (my favorite period)
and I was becoming disappointed that there wasn't much other TD stuff
to discover. I have all of the 'Jerome years' stuff as well.
Boy was I wrong that there wasn't much left to discover!
New purchases:
Wavelength - Fantastic
Sorcerer - first impression - it's ok. I need to listen to it more.
Green Desert - Great
Flashpoint - Great
The Dream Roots Collection - OK - I already have all of the released
stuff.
Cyclone - Surprisingly good.
Thief (on its way from mail order)
Firestarter - Great
Miracle Mile - Great
Pinnacles (Edgar Froese) - Fantastic!
The London Concert (Chris Fanke) - Fantastic! I'm glad they re-released
it.
Tangram (already had it, but I had to check out the new SBM version,
especially since it was only $10)
Cyclone was a surprise to me with all of the
controversy around this CD. It isn't one of their best, but
certainly not their worst. The 2nd track is lame, but the rest
of the CD is good. Lyrics and all.
Wavelength is my favorite of the bunch. My only complaint is that
most of the tracks are too short. Many of them could have been
developed further into really awesome tracks. This is proven out
by the track that shows up in an extended version on CD 5 of
Tangents (I forget the track name).
Anyway, just thought I would share my over indulgence. If anyone is
interested in a detailed impression of any of the CDs listed, let me
know.
Rich Maggio
NP: The London Concert - Christoper Franke (this CD kicks!)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 3:25
am
Subject: Mail Order CD Shops
Really-From: Rich Maggio
This message isn't really TD related. I am passing this information
along
to all of you only because I think a lot of us make use of
internet 'mail order' to get imports and such. I have had a very
bad and a very good experience. If you are not interested, please
delete this message now.
For those of you still reading, here's my story:
I placed an order with 2 different companies that have web pages that
you can place orders from. The companies are CD Europe and
CD Connection.
CD Europe is the place I had the bad experience with. I placed the
order toward the end of November. I placed an order for 4 CDs -
Pinnacles, Epsilon in Malaysian Pale, Thief, and Sorcerer. My first
disappointment was that they couldn't get the Froese CDs. I got
over that. The problem is that I still haven't received the
2 CDs they could get. They held up my order because they accidentally
shipped my Thief CD to someone else. Because they are so disorganized,
they only figured this out after I sent 4 emails asking about my order
and
my calling them. Their prices are very high compared to other places
and they have had MANY system problems where the server was down or
presented bogus information on the 'order status' page. In short,
I will never place another order with them. BTW - they have already
applied charges to my credit card even though they haven't sent me
the complete order.
On the other hand, I placed an order with CD connection for 6 CDs,
including
the Dream Roots Collection. These folks are efficient. I had my CDs at
my door 10 days later. Now, this isn't because they had them all in
stock in their warehouse - they had to order the import items. When you
place an order of $100 or more, you are not charged shipping AND they
ship the order 2nd day UPS! You can't beat their prices either. I paid
as much for Dream Roots as I did for Tangents when it was on sale at my
local CD shop. The average CD price is $11. You can't beat it.
No hassles, no gimmicks, just great efficient service with prices you
just can't beat.
So, in short, if any of you are considering placing an order for CDs
over the internet, I HIGHLY recommend CD Connection.
I hope some of you will benefit from my experience.
Rich Maggio
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 3:11
am
Subject: Re: td tour
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Matt Williams
>
> >Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
> >
> > >Really-From: Matthew Williams
> > >
> > > Any chance that they might play in England again on this tour or
> > > have us brits had our live TD experience for another few years????.
> >
> > It is a *European* Tour, Matt.... ;)
>
> I thought Britain was meant to be a part of Europe these days!.
Settle down folks. Look at the schedule. There's a hole in May big
enough to drive a world tour through. Or did you think they were going
to use that time to take a vacation? It's we NAs that are going begging
-- NA: North Americans (Canada too -- Mexico too would be nice, eh
Carlos?), or Not Available, or Not Applicable, or Not Actually, or ...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 5:58
am
Subject: Re: Mail Order CD Shops
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Rich Maggio
>
> This message isn't really TD related. I am passing this information
> along
> to all of you only because I think a lot of us make use of
> internet 'mail order' to get imports and such. I have had a very
> bad and a very good experience. If you are not interested, please
> delete this message now.
>
> For those of you still reading, here's my story:
-snip-
And an informative and well written story it is. This is the kind of
information you'd tell a friend. Thanks for being a friend -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 3:55
pm
Subject: Re: TD T-Shirts from S.Bush concert.
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> Really-From: Doreen Williams
>
> I am pretty annoyed at the moment,I brought one T-Shirt from the Shepherd
> Bush gig in November and I have hardly worn it about three times I think...my
> mother has washed it on a very low heat(the lowest a t-shirt can be cleaned)
> and already the black print is starting to fade away......
I've got the black with white print, and there doesn't seem
to be a problem with it. I haven't worn it that much, maybe
half-a-dozen times.
> Also(and I am sorry that everything is a moan in this mail) was anyone else
> annoyed with the cover to the S.Bush CD.....I mean it's pretty dumb to make a
> cover to a CD out of cardboard....my CD already has little scratches on it
> from rubbing against the cover....in the end I decided to tape it and put the
> CD away so it will never be touched again.....I doubt it is possible to get
> the CD from anywhere now is it?????.
CD Services in Dundee did have this in their last
catalogue. Don't know if they'll still have it.
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi S3I
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
cordrey@m...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 4:11
pm
Subject: britain / 70-80 extra tracks
Really-From: Armin Theissen
>
> I thought Britain was meant to be a part of Europe these days!.
>
> Matt...
>
Since I live in something like 'Britain' (problematic for me to say,
since I live in Northern Ireland), I realize that Britains refer to the
continent as 'Europe', and Britain as a country apart from that.
They don't want to mess that much with the French, Spainiards,
Italian, or - which would be the worst - Germans.
As always, they want to be something special....
(all this with lots of ;) )
Now TD related: The Froese extra track on 70-80 is to my knowledge
*not* on Aqua, but really an extra, previously unreleased track.
I can't speak for the Baumann track since I don't know Romance 76.
The extra tracks fulfilled the same purpose as the extra CDs in
Tangents and Dream Roots: Make people buy it. I just discovered
TD at that time, and the 70-80 collection was a good introduction
to TD for me, especially since there was no tangentizing (except for
monolight), not even the pink years.
armin
Armin Theissen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Armagh Observatory email: ath@s...
College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen
Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928
Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: (Date Unavailable)
Subject: Re: Time Signatures
Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i...
>I've been meaning to ask this, and the above reminded me. I've read that
>many prog bands in the '70s used really unusual time signatures, like
>9/8 or even 21/15. Most rock songs are in 4/4 or 2/4. Did TD ever use
>any really unusual times?
>
>Scott
The beginning of Tangram Set 1 has 7 beats to a bar and Atlas Eyes has 5.
There's also a brief section at the beginning of Birdwacher's Dream with
7 to a bar. Then of course there are all those sequencer passages from
the 70s, particularly the Rubycon era, where the time signature jumps
all over the place. It would be interesting to try and put bar lines
across some of this stuff...
The great thing about TD's use of unusual time signatures is it doesn't
jump out at you - it's just used tastefully where it's appropriate.
Contrast with, for example, Rush, whose music often screams 'LOOK HOW
CLEVER WE ARE, EVERYBODY, WE'RE PLAYING IN 5/4 TIME!'
Glynn
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 1:20
am
Subject: Evolution and change.
Really-From: kman@m...
The desire of fans to have a favorite artist maintain a style is
universal. It occurs in all fields with art, literature and music most
obvious. I find the many views of the long career of TD interesting,
but feel the wish for them to return to a past style is unrealistic.
When an artist of any longevity changes styles there often arise
conflicting 'camps', dedicated to one style or another. Case in
point is the furor surrounding Bob Dylan's swith from folk to
electric.
TD have always been linked with innovation in music technology. The
nature of their music has always been intimately related to available
hardware and software. For example, much of their 'classic' mid '70s
output would not sound the way it does without the music being
composed for use of the 16 step sequencer. The familiar repeating
melody, bass, and rhythm lines could only be composed at that time
with the available tools.The fact that Edgar and associates have
continually discarded old tools and techniques for newer ones shows
that they weren't satisfied with resting in a comfortable niche, but
were ever exploring and striving for newer sounds and styles.
As the years have passed and newer synth , sampling, composing,
computing tools have evolved, the music has likewise changed.
Remember the group was at the forefront in the development of
instruments like the PPG wave synth, Atari music software, and other
instruments, but would have languished in a dead end if they hadn't
embraced change.
My point is that each person may choose the sounds and styles they
prefer, but give the group the artistic license to 'follow their
muse' and explore their creative directions whatever way they lead.
All of the groups 'phases' have had good, average, mediocre content.
Most enjoy specific output from all past stages. If they were
confined to a limited style and philosophy fans would get bored or
start becoming like followers of those 'reunion' groups, just hoping
to hear 'golden oldies' from the past.
.As long as their is exploration there is
always hope for the novel and unexpected.
I've been a long time fan, but enjoy going from one era to another
as the mood strikes.I met the group backstage during the '88 tour.
and have a sentimental fondness for that incarnation. I think
Haslinger added a vital element of melodic structure and color to the
mix. I like the mix of analog and digital synth textures on works
such as Underwater Sunlight, Optical Race, Live Miles. The last five
years or so have a more refined textural sheen, but still hold many
pleasant moments.220 Volt is a fine example of the desire to
integrate a more 'edgey' sound into a live performance. Of the older
material I'm fond of the Poland concert, showcasing the power of the
PPG. Phaedra and Rubycon are fine examples of that mid '70s
exploratory philosophy, using the available Moog/Melotron/ and
similar instrumentation to follow early ambient 'spacey' directions.
In fact there is usually some redeeming feature in each work to renew
interest for future releases, though obviously not all productions
are equally consistent.
With age comes maturation, change of interest, desire to explore
different paths. Whether fans appreciate the final outcome of each
effort remains to be seen. The group at least has the artistic right
to continue to be creative. Even if specific productions fail to meet
the expectations of followers there is always a vast inventory from
the past and the hope that the future will lead to more pleasing
results.
Arnold K.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 11:57
am
Subject: (Not TD) Jarre UK Tour
Really-From: James Williams
Has Anyone Heard anything about the impending UK tour by JMJarre?
I believe One of the Venues is NINEX In Manchester on 5 June
Jim.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 11:54
am
Subject: Re: Highway to Hell
Really-From: James Williams
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: HMller1095@a...
>
> Hi everybody,
> the Internet Movie Database lists the movie 'Highway form Hell' as having a
> TD soundtrack, and this was mentioned once or twice here in the list.
>
> My question is: Has anybody actually seen this film, or do we all rely on one
> source of information only? Any help is welcome.
>
> Hans-Peter
I Have It.
Very Strange Film Starring Patrick Bergen(sp?)
About a bloke who goes to hell to try and rescue his girlfriend
Worth watching, though it only has one track by TD.
The name escapes me but it is off the Miracle Mile OST
Jim.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 12:38
pm
Subject: Re: Evolution and change.
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Thank you for composing and posting this Arnold. You expressed my
feelings much better than I can. Each of us has a favorite band. The
amazing part is, they are all TD! Regards -- Mark
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: kman@m...
>
> The desire of fans to have a favorite artist maintain a style is
> universal. It occurs in all fields with art, literature and music most
> obvious. I find the many views of the long career of TD interesting,
> but feel the wish for them to return to a past style is unrealistic.
> When an artist of any longevity changes styles there often arise
> conflicting 'camps', dedicated to one style or another. Case in
> point is the furor surrounding Bob Dylan's swith from folk to
> electric.
> TD have always been linked with innovation in music technology. The
> nature of their music has always been intimately related to available
> hardware and software. For example, much of their 'classic' mid '70s
> output would not sound the way it does without the music being
> composed for use of the 16 step sequencer. The familiar repeating
> melody, bass, and rhythm lines could only be composed at that time
> with the available tools.The fact that Edgar and associates have
> continually discarded old tools and techniques for newer ones shows
> that they weren't satisfied with resting in a comfortable niche, but
> were ever exploring and striving for newer sounds and styles.
> As the years have passed and newer synth , sampling, composing,
> computing tools have evolved, the music has likewise changed.
> Remember the group was at the forefront in the development of
> instruments like the PPG wave synth, Atari music software, and other
> instruments, but would have languished in a dead end if they hadn't
> embraced change.
> My point is that each person may choose the sounds and styles they
> prefer, but give the group the artistic license to 'follow their
> muse' and explore their creative directions whatever way they lead.
> All of the groups 'phases' have had good, average, mediocre content.
> Most enjoy specific output from all past stages. If they were
> confined to a limited style and philosophy fans would get bored or
> start becoming like followers of those 'reunion' groups, just hoping
> to hear 'golden oldies' from the past.
> .As long as their is exploration there is
> always hope for the novel and unexpected.
> I've been a long time fan, but enjoy going from one era to another
> as the mood strikes.I met the group backstage during the '88 tour.
> and have a sentimental fondness for that incarnation. I think
> Haslinger added a vital element of melodic structure and color to the
> mix. I like the mix of analog and digital synth textures on works
> such as Underwater Sunlight, Optical Race, Live Miles. The last five
> years or so have a more refined textural sheen, but still hold many
> pleasant moments.220 Volt is a fine example of the desire to
> integrate a more 'edgey' sound into a live performance. Of the older
> material I'm fond of the Poland concert, showcasing the power of the
> PPG. Phaedra and Rubycon are fine examples of that mid '70s
> exploratory philosophy, using the available Moog/Melotron/ and
> similar instrumentation to follow early ambient 'spacey' directions.
> In fact there is usually some redeeming feature in each work to renew
> interest for future releases, though obviously not all productions
> are equally consistent.
> With age comes maturation, change of interest, desire to explore
> different paths. Whether fans appreciate the final outcome of each
> effort remains to be seen. The group at least has the artistic right
> to continue to be creative. Even if specific productions fail to meet
> the expectations of followers there is always a vast inventory from
> the past and the hope that the future will lead to more pleasing
> results.
>
> Arnold K.
>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 1:30
pm
Subject: D: Tyger
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
Do you all realize we've had ONE message about Tyger so far this week? I
thought it would really rouse some strong opinions! Well, here's mine,
anyway:
I'm a fan of the Haslinger era. As a matter of fact, Underwater Sunlight
is one of my favorites of all time. I like the music from Tyger a lot,
but, frankly, the vocals ruin it. They're a lot easier to listen to than
Cyclone, though! I far prefer the live versions they did on the '88
tour, since they had no vocals.
I read somewhere that Ed was upset that people derided Tyger, saying
that most people didn't understand it. What's to understand? It's just
poetry read to music. (Actually, it sounds like they did the music and
added the vox later, since they don't seem to correlate at all.) Am I
missing something?
Scott
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 9:34
pm
Subject: Re: D: Tyger
Really-From: Paul Nagle
On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:30:00 -0500, you wrote:
>is one of my favorites of all time. I like the music from Tyger a lot,
>but, frankly, the vocals ruin it. They're a lot easier to listen to than
Oddly enough I like Tyger a lot. The vocals work for me. Unusual as I
tend to avoid vocals like the plague....
>Cyclone, though! I far prefer the live versions they did on the '88
>tour, since they had no vocals.
Agreed....
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 2:45
pm
Subject: Re[2]:
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
>> Do none of you read the #@%!&* FAQ that is sent to you when you first
>> join the list? The unsubscribe info is in the first #$%^@)!(
>> paragraph!
>>
>> Losing my patience just a #%^@$^&@!!! little bit,
>> B. Kirby
>Who are you posting this to Brian? 'They' are gone and 'We' don't want
>to see this. -- Mark
Actually, I was posting it to the list. The proper unsubscribe protocol is to
send your request to the majordomo address and have it done automatically,
instead of relying on Dave reading a message sent to the list and doing it
manually. And it would appear that you do in fact need to see it, since you
evidently didn't know it either.
In any case, don't you find a message sent to the list critizing a criticism to
be just as guilty of bandwidth-wasting as the original?
-B. Kirby
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Re:Okay, so I meant Sylvester LeVay, not Tangerine Dream
Really-From: Jerry Kindall
> Did I forget anyone? (There's also Simon Sousson, Bob Esty,
>Tom Moulton, Harvey Fuqua, Patrick Cowley, and a certain Musicland
>(Moroder's studio) protege by the name of Sylvester LeVay . . . who
>did about half of the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH soundtrack (there's your
>obligatory TD reference, hee hee!).
Anyone know anything more about LeVay? I remember thinking that the
Airwolf theme sounded at least a little like Tangerine Dream. Has the
guy got any albums which TD fans might enjoy?
--
Jerry Kindall
Manual Labor
Technical Writing; Internet & WWW Consulting
Author of the Web Motion Encyclopedia
The comprehensive animation and video reference for Web designers
Coming Summer '97 from Waite Group Press
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 1:19
pm
Subject: Re: Time Signatures
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>The great thing about TD's use of unusual time signatures is it doesn't
>jump out at you - it's just used tastefully where it's appropriate.
>Contrast with, for example, Rush, whose music often screams 'LOOK HOW
>CLEVER WE ARE, EVERYBODY, WE'RE PLAYING IN 5/4 TIME!'
I remember hearing Neil Peart on the radio saying that in the '70s, Rush
would be writing a song and say at some point 'we have to change the
time on this somewhere' and come up with a goofy time and write music
based on that. How do you spell 'pretentious'? RUSH!
Scott
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 8:37
pm
Subject: D : Tyger
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
*** Standard Disclaimer : All My Own Opinion ***
I have the Relativity CD release of this album, with the
three additional tracks compared against the original LP. I
bought the original LP when it came out, so have very mixed
feelings about this version, as you will see.
Tyger (3AS) - This version is not as good as the original, which
I think appears on Dream Roots Collection. I don't like the
extra drum effects and subtle changes to this, since it
seems to detract from the vocals. This track also suffers
(in the original too) in being the most 'song'-like of the
4 original tracks.
London (4AS) - I like the way in the first half of the track the
vocals change from quiet, almost monotone to louder
expressive speech, then into 'song' and back again.
This, to my ears, sounds like changes in pace but I think
the underlying music remains steady. Of course, there's
then that slightly dodgy bridge before the 'real'
instrumental section starts. Guitars and drums, not too
disimilar to the style in Underwater Sunlight. Probably
explaisn why I like it so much.
Alchemy of the Heart (5AS) - This gets top marks not just
because it has no vocals (obviously I like the vocals in
the other tracks too) but because it is a great piece of
music. The drums used in the first part of the track are so
prominent and thudding and exciting, and yet seem so
different from the prominent and thudding and irritating
drums apparent in recent efforts (ToTT, ToB, 220VL, GC to a
lesser extent). That's not necessarly a negative comment on
Jerome or Edgar, just an opinion on which I prefer.
Throughout this track, there is great work, culminating in
the superb piano solo.
Smile (3AS) - Despite the promising intro, this one just
doesn't seem to go anywhere. The vocals seem more
restricted than elsewhere and it all seems too short.
Tyger (the 'real' album) gets a 4AS.
However, things start to go downhill when the additional
tracks are considered. They seem so out of step with the
original tracks it seems inappropriate to consider them on
the same album. They sound more like Froese, Franke,
Schmoelling out-takes from Le Parc than F, F, Haslinger
items.
21st Century Common Man (Part 1) (3AS) - isn't this from
that awful Streethawk series. Sure sounds similar, anyway.
21st Century Common Man (Part 2) (2AS) - Oh no, wait a
minute. This is the Streethawk thing.
Vigour (2AS) - Oh dear. This is a post-Franke piece, isn't
it? It has that blasted harpsichord on it. Sounds like
Rockoon-ish stuff.
Tyger (Relativity CD Version) only gets a 3AS (and a 3- if
such a score were allowed).
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi S3I
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
cordrey@m...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 8:54
pm
Subject: Re: D: Tyger
Really-From: Armin Theissen
>
>Do you all realize we've had ONE message about Tyger so far this week? I
>thought it would really rouse some strong opinions! Well, here's mine,
>anyway:
>
>I'm a fan of the Haslinger era. As a matter of fact, Underwater Sunlight
>is one of my favorites of all time. I like the music from Tyger a lot,
>but, frankly, the vocals ruin it. They're a lot easier to listen to than
>Cyclone, though! I far prefer the live versions they did on the '88
>tour, since they had no vocals.
>
>I read somewhere that Ed was upset that people derided Tyger, saying
>that most people didn't understand it. What's to understand? It's just
>poetry read to music. (Actually, it sounds like they did the music and
>added the vox later, since they don't seem to correlate at all.) Am I
>missing something?
>
>Scott
>
I completely disagree - matter of taste, partly, but I think you
can't take the vocals away in 'Tyger' and 'London'.
This one single D:Tyger posting: was that mine? I can't remember
whether I posted it or not.
Armin
Armin Theissen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Armagh Observatory email: ath@s...
College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen
Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928
Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 10:33
pm
Subject: Re: Evolution and change.
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
Arnold,
I've read your post a few times now, looking for something
to disagree with or to which I can expand, but there's
nothing. Heck, you even like the Haslinger era too (snap)!
A very interesting post.
-----------------
C'mon Gabe, there's been a couple of pre-cursors to 'the
big one'! Let it rip!!!
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi S3I
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
cordrey@m...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 4:09
pm
Subject: Re: Time Signatures
Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On 20 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i...
>
> The beginning of Tangram Set 1 has 7 beats to a bar and Atlas Eyes has 5.
A unique 'relic' of the Haslinger era was Paul's ability to suddenly--but
seamlessly--shift between what sounds like a 2/4 feel and 6/8 feel. (e.g.
'Marakesh', 'Desert Drive', 'Civilized Illusions')
> There's also a brief section at the beginning of Birdwacher's Dream with
> 7 to a bar. Then of course there are all those sequencer passages from
> the 70s, particularly the Rubycon era, where the time signature jumps
> all over the place. It would be interesting to try and put bar lines
> across some of this stuff...
>
> Glynn
>
I would tend to think that a lot of (if not all of) _Alpha Centauri_ and
_Zeit_ are completely non-metric.
Gabe
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Re: D: Tyger
Really-From: 'Roger Smith'
I'm also a fan of the Haslinger period, and agree with Scott that Underwater
Sunlight is a favorite. But I can't agree that the vocals on the album Tyger
ruin the music.
When I first heard Jocelyn Smith's voice, chills went down my spine. I had read
Thomas Blake's works as a young student of literature and was transported by his
poetry to other places in the imagination. His social comments are timeless;
his imagery can be beautiful and brutal.
What's to understand? To feature Blake's visions carried by the music of
Froese, Franke, and Haslinger. The experience created an indelible scorching of
my consciousness the first time I heard Smith's dramatic vocals underscored by
these musicians. Each time I listen to 'Tyger' and 'London' I 'Smile.'
Tyger, in my opinion, shouldn't be compared with Cyclone, or even
Rumpelskiltskin. But each of these compositions with vocals characterize what I
like about TD -- the urge to experiment with combinations of sounds and rhythms
that evoke and invite changes of consciousness.
Roger
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Re: D:Tyger--was it TD's original idea?
Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...>
Hi folks,
No, I'm not making this up: I was in a shop in New York City about a year ago,
and, while browsing, over the PA system (which was playing some sort of 'light
music' station when I walked in) I heard something that sure got my attention:
it was either a blatant imitation of, or TD's possible inspiration for, the
'Tyger' album.
Basically, imagine the track 'Tyger', but done with a different melody,
symphonic backing instead of electronics, and with a different female singer. I
listened to it, hoping to hear announced who had performed this, but the station
just segued into different music; I must have missed when the radio announcer
mentioned who actually performed/composed this.
Anyhow, I wonder, does this scenario sound familiar to anyone? Another artist
poetically reciting the words to Blake's 'Tyger' to music? My impression was
that this might have been recorded in the 1950s, I don't recall why, but I've
never been able to track down who recorded this (though admittedly I haven't
tried to hard). But it would be very interesting to locate this music, if it
indeed preceded TD's 'Tyger.'
--John
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Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 5:45
pm
Subject: D: Tyger
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
Tyger has the unique distinction in my collection of being the first
new TD release I ever bought. Funnily enough, I wrote a review of
it to my friend who introduced me to the band after listening to it
a couple times. Eleven years later, my opinion hasn't changed all
that much, although my reasoning is a lot clearer. Here goes...
Tyger (Relativity Version w/20th Century Common Man Pts 1 & 2) - 4AS
Although this album manages to hit the mark for me on every
instrumental track, the vocal pieces are much more hit and miss.
I'm not sure whether this is due to the singer, or the vocal
direction she was given. The majority of the time she sounds as if
she hasn't decided if she's singing a song or reciting poetry.
Thus, most of the words sound lifeless or stilted to my ear. But
reflecting on other vocal 'works' that TD have done ('Dreamtime'
[bleah] for instance), this may have been an artistic choice made by
the band. In either case, it drags down just about every song it
appears in. But let's take it track by track...
Tyger (2AS) - Or, William Blake writes a pop song. Verse, chorus,
verse, repeat chorus and fade. Would A-ha's 'Take on Me' sound like
this if it were slowed down?
London (3AS) - Now here's a tale of two songs. The first half is
more Blake to the beat...and again very spotty. But then 'The Fly'
finishes..and the song changes. It floats around a little, then it
builds up a little, and then Edgar comes in with a guitar
solo that simply takes the whole piece to another level. You sort
of forget the first 6 minutes even existed. In fact, I would skip
over the whole first section just to hear the last half.
Alchemy of the Heart (5AS) - The centerpiece of the album, and this
is the reason it gets a 4 instead of a 3. From the beginning
fade-in, through the heightened musical tension as more and more
instruments are added, to the rhythmic, frantic center, to the slow
washes of the denouement, to the extended serenity of the piano
coda, there isn't a bum note in this entire song. A masterpiece.
Smile (4AS) - This is the only vocal arrangement that works on the
album for me. Maybe it's because the understated vocals are a nice
counterpoint to the speedier music, or maybe because the
vocalization seems to suit the subject more, but everything just
seems to click on this one.
20th Century Common Man Pts 1 & 2 (3AS) - Two nice instrumentals,
with the second featuring another good guitar solo from Edgar.
Pales in comparison to Alchemy, but quite pleasant nonetheless.
The Caroline rerelease, however, only gets a 2AS. The added beat to
Tyger is completely incongrous, the fade-in to Alchemy is shortened,
but we get a bonus song. Whoopee. They should have left well
enough alone. And in what was probably a move to cut some costs,
all of the color photos from the original release are changed to
black and white. Totally unnecessary. Of course, I bought it
anyway.
In general though, the original version stands up to the added
weight of being bought so early on in my collecting career.
-B. Kirby
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 5:41
pm
Subject: Re: Many TD Compilations Are Fair Game for Discussion
Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> What follows is a compilation-by-compilation commentary on what is
> different about particular TD compilations and why anyone here should
> give a rat's ass:
>
> TD COMPILATIONS:
>
> 80 TANGERINE DREAM '70-'80 (4-Record Set; 4 non-LP tracks) [Virgin]
>
> An AGES (Froese solo) outtake, a Baumann non-LP solo track, a
> Franke solo track, and a 45 rpm track ('Monolight').
Froese solo track is *not* an Ages-track. All three solo tracks are great,
especially Franke's one (very rhytmic).
> 79 SOLO 1974-1979 (compilation featuring superior remixes of many cuts)
>
> Two tracks here are not so much remixes as new songs, but I forget
> which they are. Also, since (IMHO) MACULA TRANSFER and AGES are fairly
> weak efforts, some of the remixes are a big improvement, especially in
> the case of the remix of 'OS 452' (from MACULA TRANSFER).
Macula Transfer and Ages are (IMHO) his absolute best solo albums.
Marcel
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 6:16
pm
Subject: Re: D: Tyger
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>Sunlight is a favorite. But I can't agree that the vocals on the album
>Tyger ruin the music.
Now that I think about it more, what bothers me about the vocals is that
she _sings_ them, not just recites them. I think I would have liked it
better had she merely recited the poems. It would have been more like
Kiew Mission.
Scott
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 6:39
pm
Subject: Tangents and Book of Dreams
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 01:45 PM 2/19/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
(snip---Let's not include compilations in the ratings system...)
>Am I the only person who disagrees with this? I have never bought comps
>for any band except as an intro to a band I didn't know, and even then I
>would recycle the comp when I got the albums. So I don't have _any_ TD
>comps. Now I find out that even 'BofD' is not really a comp -- it has
>new mixes/new performances. What is new? How is it 'new'? What
>treatments were done? It occurs to me that this is exactly the type of
>discussion we should be having, not throttling.
>
>I know 'Tangents' has been extensively discussed but _only_ in the
>context of people who already have it. Was I asleep (dreaming
>perchance)? I didn't get much out of those discussions except that
>there are 'blue' parts and 'future' parts and 'canyon' parts of songs --
>I don't have a clue what these _parts_ are and was looking forward to a
>more complete discussion of them.
I agree completely with you about Tangents and Book of Dreams. Nobody really
said anything when I mentioned it, but I want to do a webpage which
specifically spells out the differences between each of the songs on these
10 CDs worth of music (yes, 10) in comparison with their original releases.
The reason there are blue parts and velvet parts is that some releases like
Logos are one 45 minute long piece and then an encore... well, how can you
fairly put that on a comp? Edgar broke Logos into four 5-8 minute segments
and gave them nicknames like blue part which is from 19:50 to 24:50 on the
original CD, red part, velvet part, etc.) He did the same with Tangram,
Encore, Livemiles, etc.
I guess you should know Mark, there isn't a single song on Tangents or Book
of Dreams that is copied directly from the original release. First, major
noise reduction and cleanup has been done in most cases. Secondly, a few
songs have been redone from scratch, most notably a segment of Phaedra and
blue part of Logos (on Tangents). Plus there are lots of synth and guitar
additions to most of the songs, some helpful (most notably the piano solo in
Monolight during the Encore 1977 USA concert has grown by 3 minutes) and
some annoying (boy's choir added on top of a few of Tangents' songs).
If you are not ready to plop down $55 for each of these 5 disc collections
(disc 5 from both packages are previously unreleased material!), you can get
Book of Dreams which is a subset of Dream Roots, it is 2 discs and is sort
of the 'best of' Dream Roots. There is nothing like this for Tangents. I
went ahead and purchased both Tangents and Dream Roots.
By the way, you're asking 'why 2 boxed sets?'
Well, Tangents is material from 1973 to 1983.
Dream Roots is material from 1970-1973 and 1983-1987.
Morgan
feldon@n...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 6:45
pm
Subject: Love on a Real Train
Really-From: feldon@n...
Am I the only one who thinks that 30 seconds of Love on a Real Train was
played twice during last week's 48 hours during their 'planned wedding' segment?
Morgan
feldon@n...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 7:09
pm
Subject: Re: Tyger
Really-From: feldon@n...
I have two major points to say about Tyger:
I admit that I often skip over the vocal tracks when I'm listening. And I
sometimes fast forward to index 9:00 on London. My favorite track is Alchemy...
If they wanted Tyger to be vocal, why didn't they go all the way and place
the Jungle version of Tyger on the disc instead of the more mainstream
version they put? I think the Jungle mix is far superior (like 4AS vs. 2AS).
Morgan
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 7:11
pm
Subject: Re: D: Tyger
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 02:34 PM 2/20/97 GMT, you wrote:
>Really-From: Paul Nagle
>
>
>>Cyclone, though! I far prefer the live versions they did on the '88
>>tour, since they had no vocals.
>Agreed....
B**t? please respond by private e-mail.
Morgan
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 7:36
pm
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #840
Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy'
Hey guys and gals if there are any, (are there?)
i just purchased Sorceror, Zeit, and Underwater Sunlight.
Sorceror is amazing. The sound seems a little thin but the overall
mood i got from listening to it was a really creepy one. Thats a good
thing though. i love getting scared. My favorite track was the second
one, i think it was called the search. Pure phantasmal bliss, loved
it.
Zeit is pretty creepy too, although it is more ambient/spacey type
music. I really liked it though, it seems to relax me quite a bit.
i'll look forward to listening to it a lot, i'm glad its so long too.
:-)
Underwater Sunlight is a peaceful album. At least that was my first
impression. i like it just as much as the others though.
i suppose while i enjoy TD's newer stuff, their older material
captivates me more.
i would be happy to be a part of both clubs....heh heh
Dreamin',
Maxwell (Up In The Sky)
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 9:01
pm
Subject: COMA VIRUS
Really-From: Michael A Jean
I finally tracked down a copy of the Coma Virus 'Hidden' CD. However, Now
I have a question...I seem to remember reading that a track from the CD
appears on a SIDE EFFECTS sampler. The title escapes me at the moment,
but none of the CD track titles sounded familiar. So, is there a unique
song available only on the sampler, or is my memory just faulty?
Mike Jean, Chicago
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 9:15
pm
Subject: TD T-Shirts from S.Bush concert and others
Really-From: ' teiwaz barana'
As long as we're registering complaints about TD T-shirts purchased at shows,
I'd like to add that the black Rockoon shirt I bought was printed off-center to
the right if from the point of view of the wearer. Of course, it went thread
bare in a few washings in cold water--but at least it still smells like the
iron-on portion was made with toxic chemicals as it did when it was brand new.
;-)
--teiwaz
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: TANGENT-izing: Sickening
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: Tangents and Book of Dreams
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:39:36 -0600
>Really-From: feldon@n...
>
>[. . .] Book of Dreams which is a subset of Dream Roots, it is 2 discs
>and is sort of the 'best of' Dream Roots. [. . .]
You mean I already spent $s on BOOK OF DREAMS, which is actually
2/5 (two-fifths) of DREAM ROOTS? That really blows. That's twice in two
years (the last time being the US and UK versions of DREAM MIXES. :( :(
>[. . .] There is nothing like this for Tangents.
Not commercially, but there was a US promo that was indeed a
TANGENTS Greatest Hits sorta deal. I have a copy.
>Well, Tangents is material from 1973 to 1983.
>Dream Roots is material from 1970-1973 and 1983-1987.
I know; pretty sickening, isn't it? And remember, boys and girls,
Crazy Eddie is the one responsible, while all the while, he doesn't
like Silva Screen releasing stuff like THE PARK IS MINE because he
can't TANGENT-ize it. More power to Silva Screen, I say!!! ;) :)
You know, if Ed spent half the time on regular TD releases that
he does milking 'new' songs out of old material on his box set scams,
maybe we'd have more than two really good TD efforts in five years!!!
-- Steven Feldman and
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 9:25
pm
Subject: Not: Re: TD: It's a Disco Thang! ;)
Really-From: PENFOLD
At 12:49 97·02·19 EST, you wrote:
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>>Subject: td 'n' disco
>>Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:46:52 GMT
>>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>>Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
> The Bee Gees' SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER, from 1976, more or less defined
>American disco, whereas 1977-1979 Donna Summer did much to define
>Eurodisco.
> What is this nonsense about Pink Floyd and TD coming after disco???
TD *did* do 'dance mixes'. And Devo did 'elevator/muzak mixes'
Grinning
and.....
Ducking and Running for Cover!
/^\
| pete
| penfold@a...
|
|
|
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Various TD-related Whoppers from the WWW
Really-From: Steven Feldman
Folks,
On the web the other day, I came across some odd items.
On a Sonic Images page ,
there was mention of PERRY RHODAN: 'PAX TERRA'. Has this actually been
released? Is it hard to get? Is it *worth* getting?
On the page, , there
is a listing named 'Christopher Franke with Tangerine Dream - Feature
Film Credits.' There were two items there I've never heard about before:
IDENTIFICATION OF A WOMAN
directed and produced by Michelangelo Antonioni
SINGLE MAN
directed and produced by Bobby Roth
On the page, we get
the following paragraph:
| News also reaches us that Virgin Records are considering issuing CD
| versions of the Edgar Froese 'Ages' and 'Macular [sic] Transfer' dating
| from 1978 [sic] and 1982 [sic] respectively. The original soundtrack
| version of 'The Keep' has been put back and is now scheduled for late
| 1996/early 1997.
Well, they mistook 1976 for 1978, and 1978 for 1982, so I have a
feeling this info is not too reliable to begin with! ;)
-- Steven Feldman and
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 9:25
pm
Subject: D: Tyger
Vocals!
Interesting departure.
methinks Paul was more freehanded. The application of music to poetry is
nothing new (i.e. 'CATS' being brought to form through TS Elliott's poetry)
but it *is* an artistic challenge. Blake himself, an artist. Would have
appreciated the musical adaption of his written muse.
Unfortunately this isn't one of my more-played CD's.
And Arminİ Rates!.....
3!
'The world of music is something on its own. It's absolutely dust-free, clear,
and clean. Music is one of the most neutral things on earth. It symbolizes
the 'highest frequency' of all art forms in its abstract, neutral
manner.' - Edgar Froese
/^\
| pete
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 10:34
pm
Subject: Re:
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>
> >Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
> >> Do none of you read the #@%!&* FAQ that is sent to you when you
> >> first join the list? The unsubscribe info is in the first #$%^@)!(
> >> paragraph!
> >>
> >> Losing my patience just a #%^@$^&@!!! little bit,
> >> B. Kirby
>
> > Who are you posting this to Brian? 'They' are gone and 'We' don't
> > want to see this. -- Mark
>
> Actually, I was posting it to the list. The proper unsubscribe
> protocol is to send your request to the majordomo address and have it
> done automatically, instead of relying on Dave reading a message sent
> to the list and doing it manually. And it would appear that you do in
> fact need to see it, since you evidently didn't know it either.
>
> In any case, don't you find a message sent to the list critizing a
> criticism to be just as guilty of bandwidth-wasting as the original?
>
> -B. Kirby
Hi Brian. I appreciate your frustration and I share it. I have helped
many people to unsub -- you can just ask Dave. The unsub help that I
have accidentally posted to the list from time to time results from the
way Dave has the header processing set up. I've asked him to consider
processing the headers a different way but he has a system set up and
doesn't want to change it. Regards -- Mark
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From:
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Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 12:15
am
Subject: cd release questions
Really-From: slawlor
I'm sure these have been asked before, if not illuded to, but I have some
questions about two tangerine recordings that I want to get on cd.
I was looking on cd connection, and I saw zeit, I guess it was reissued
by castle communications, and when I looked at the song list, I only saw
two titles. I remember this being a double album and having 4 songs.
and I don't think the castle reissue of poland is the same as the double
album I used to have either. My question is, are these still available
on cd the way that I remember? Thanks for the information.
scott K. Lawlor
http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59
pm
Subject: Complete tour lists?
Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner)
>Cons: From an accuracy point of view, we can only truly substantiate
>those tapes we know of, and it is a tape-cataloguing exercise, after all.
Sure, but John has a pretty complete collection, and he knows that he
can trust my list as well.
>> Thinking of it : 'official' radio broadcasts should be mentioned as well.
>Should they?
>
>I think we should stick to one endeavour at a time! Otherwise the remit
>could extent to television, written media.......we'd go mad.
I was only thinking about real concert broadcasts. There's only a few,
like one per tour. The little media bits can be left till later.
-klaus-
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 1:00
am
Subject: Re: cd release questions
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: slawlor
>
> I'm sure these have been asked before, if not illuded to, but I have
> some questions about two tangerine recordings that I want to get on cd.
> I was looking on cd connection, and I saw zeit, I guess it was reissued
> by castle communications, and when I looked at the song list, I only
> saw two titles. I remember this being a double album and having 4
> songs. and I don't think the castle reissue of poland is the same as
> the double album I used to have either. My question is, are these
> still available on cd the way that I remember? Thanks for the
> information.
>
> scott K. Lawlor
> http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor
Hi Scott. I have the Castle release of 'Zeit' and it is complete. CD
Connection can be a good source for CDs and for misinformation. :-)
Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 8:03
pm
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #840
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 02:03 AM 2/20/97 -0600, you wrote:
>> >> 2) Supernatural Fairy Tales - The Progressive Rock Era
>> >What's to discuss? There's no TD on it. It does have Golden Earring,
>> >though. Why, I have no idea.
>> >
>> >Scott
>>
>> Sorry to bother y'all. I guess I thought that putting TD in historical
>> perspective had some instructional value. The readership of this list
>> seems to have changed, since when originally conceived, discussions not
>> only about TD, but also TD ex-members, and TD musical perspectives were
>> intermixed ad lib.
>
>Naw, I wouldn't think it has changed. Sometimes a body can have a bad
>hair day though. Don't let it phase you. This list could use a good
>historian with a broad perspective. And I agree with you that TD is not
>and never has been 'new age'. I detested it when the band got stuck in
>there with Kitaro and David Arkenstone. Persist! It's your list too --
>Mark
Hey, as long as there are SOME of us you like to connect dots, we are doing
fine. Thanks for the kind words.
>Really-From: 'Jonathan Block'
>
>Andrew J. Rozsa wrote:
>
>>>So, other than 'Searching' recorded ca. 1970 by Klaus Schulze ('previously
>unissued'), 'Der Vierte Kuss' recorded by Ash Ra Tempel also ca. 1970 (and
>also hitherto 'unissued'), brief comments by Klaus Schulze and Manuel
>Gottsching, superior instruction, and a immensely valuable overview of the
>evolution of the kind of music we profess to like, indeed there is little
>of interest in this collection.<<<
>
>FYI. Altho listed as such, 'Searching' is not previously unreleased, but is
>actually 'The Real McCoy' from disc 10 of the Historic Edition
>
>Jonathan
See? I am learning something every day. I listen to so much music that I
can hardly keep track of what I heard when and where. Clearly you have a
fine ear for Klaus. Now, I will also listen to the stuff a bit differently.
Also have a chat with Archie about the 'previously unreleased' tag. :-)
I guess I am not a true TD or Schulze fan, since I like to put 10 CDs in
the changer in the car, mix them up so I don't know which is which, then
try to guess what I am listening to. Never have trouble identifying TD, no
matter how much Andy Pickford or Radio Massacre International I have mixed
into the 'soup.' But that's about it. The rest of MY listening is purely
for total and unadulterated enjoyment.
Nice chatting with you.
Andrew
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 1:55
am
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #840
Really-From: Rich Maggio
> Underwater Sunlight is a peaceful album. At least that was my first
> impression. i like it just as much as the others though.
Peaceful? I never thought of this CD that way, but now that I
think about it, you are right. It is peaceful, but yet
has a strong and driving beat. A bit of a paradox.
I guess the slow tempo is what gives it that 'peaceful' sense.
I don't own any TD previous to Atem. I've heard some of it,
but it doesn't really 'trip my trigger'. I think I might
give it another try since one's tastes do evolve over time.
I started out with the 'Jerome years' and worked my way
back. Tangents was what brought me to fully appreciate
the Virgin years stuff. It is only recently that I began
to appreciate Phaedra. That CD sat on my shelf for years
collecting dust. I HATED it. Now, I think it's great stuff!
If you don't have it yet, you should check it out.
Anyway, enough of my rambling....
BTW - this CD is among one of my favorites of TD's.
Rich Maggio
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 20, 1997 8:26
pm
Subject: Subject: Mail Order CD Shops
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>Subject: Mail Order CD Shops
>
>Really-From: Rich Maggio
[.......]
>CD Europe is the place I had the bad experience with. I placed the
>order toward the end of November. I placed an order for 4 CDs -
>Pinnacles, Epsilon in Malaysian Pale, Thief, and Sorcerer. My first
[.......]
>my calling them. Their prices are very high compared to other places
>and they have had MANY system problems where the server was down or
>presented bogus information on the 'order status' page. In short,
>I will never place another order with them. BTW - they have already
>applied charges to my credit card even though they haven't sent me
>the complete order.
[........]
Unfortunately, at least for us Americans, there are few alternatives as far
as truly non-mainstream music is concerned. Once your collection of 'legit'
TD is completed (like mine is), there are almost no sources for 'live'
music (I like the Pink Floyd fans' usage of RoIO, Recordings of
Indetermined Origin). CDE has and has had many RoIOs, some of them superb,
albeit, as you point out, you have to wait for months to get your order and
you pay through the teeth for them.
I would LOVE to have someone straighten me out on this!
Andrew
P.S. While I expect to spend at least a half-a-kilobucks with Ranjit this
year, getting money orders or waiting for checks to clear can be a pain
sometimes. About the best thing about his arrangement is that it prevents
impulse buying.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 2:52
am
Subject: Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening
Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>
>
> I know; pretty sickening, isn't it? And remember, boys and girls,
> Crazy Eddie is the one responsible, while all the while, he doesn't
> like Silva Screen releasing stuff like THE PARK IS MINE because he
> can't TANGENT-ize it. More power to Silva Screen, I say!!! ;) :)
If he did, I think it would be a big help; some of what Silva Screen has
released barely qualifies as boot quality--and there are some
better-sounding TD boots than _TPIM_ out there.
> You know, if Ed spent half the time on regular TD releases that
> he does milking 'new' songs out of old material on his box set scams,
> maybe we'd have more than two really good TD efforts in five years!!!
This is hard to argue with. Also, a lot of the kinds of sounds used on
_Tangents_ seem to have been 'reserved' for that extra something special.
I do have some trouble thinking of any recent TD pieces that used, say,
the sounds of the Monolight remixes, for example.
> -- Steven Feldman and
>
Gabe
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 3:00
am
Subject: Re: Various TD-related Whoppers from the WWW
Hi Steve. Check out the attached list. -- Mark
PS: Georg Veltmann will be contributing to this also.
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> Folks,
> On the web the other day, I came across some odd items.
> On a Sonic Images page ,
> there was mention of PERRY RHODAN: 'PAX TERRA'. Has this actually been
> released? Is it hard to get? Is it *worth* getting?
> On the page, , there
> is a listing named 'Christopher Franke with Tangerine Dream - Feature
> Film Credits.' There were two items there I've never heard about before:
>
> IDENTIFICATION OF A WOMAN
> directed and produced by Michelangelo Antonioni
>
> SINGLE MAN
> directed and produced by Bobby Roth
>
> On the page, we get
> the following paragraph:
>
> | News also reaches us that Virgin Records are considering issuing CD
> | versions of the Edgar Froese 'Ages' and 'Macular [sic] Transfer' dating
> | from 1978 [sic] and 1982 [sic] respectively. The original soundtrack
> | version of 'The Keep' has been put back and is now scheduled for late
> | 1996/early 1997.
>
> Well, they mistook 1976 for 1978, and 1978 for 1982, so I have a
> feeling this info is not too reliable to begin with! ;)
>
> -- Steven Feldman and
>
'We decided to stop our work in this field for a while, because within
ten years we did over about 64 soundtracks, mainly for American movies.
And so, you can imagine, doing an average of six soundtracks each year,
it costs a lot of energy, and as a composer, you put all your talent
into sountracks, and there was not much time left for our studio
records. And so we said, OK, we got to stop there, and move back into
live activity, and studio albums and so on, you know, and that's what
we did.'
=================================================================
Films And Videos To Which Tangerine Dream Has Contributed
=================================================================
-key-
NAME_OF_PRODUCTION [premiere_date] - band_lineup
producer/director, production_company/distribution_company
Notes
-----
This chronology is in the order of commercial release of the film.
If producer and director is the same person, only one is listed.
If production company and distribution company is one company, only one
is listed.
All text bounded by parentheses '(' ')' are comments and can appear
anywhere.
SORCERER [29 Jun 77] - EF/CF/PB
William Friedkin, Universal/Paramount
THIEF [25 Mar 81] - EF/CF/JS
Jerry Bruckheimer+Ronnie Caan/Michael Mann, United Artists/MGM
STRANGE BEHAVIOR [1981] - EF/CF/JS?
Anthony Ginnane+John Barnett/Michael Laughlin, Hemdale Films
WAVELENGTH [Aug 82] - EF/CF/JS
James Rosenfield/Mike Gray, New World Pictures
DAS MADCHEN AUF DER TREPPE ('The Girl on the Steps')
episode of 'Tatort' [?? ??? 83] - EF/CF/JS?
???.../???..., WDR-TV
MIRIAM episode of 'Tatort' [1983] - EF/CF/JS?
WDR-TV/Peter Adam, WDR-TV
THE KEEP [Dec 83] - EF/CF/JS
Gene Kirkwood+Howard Koch/Michael Mann, Paramount
RISKY BUSINESS [27 Jul 83] - EF/CF/JS
Jon Avnet/Paul Brickman, Warner Bros
STREET HAWK theme [4 Jan 84] - EF/CF/JS
Bob Waltersdorf/Virgil Vogel, ABC-TV
FIRESTARTER [9 May 84] - EF/CF/JS
Dino De Laurentis+Frank Capra Jr/Mark Lester, Universal
FLASHPOINT [5 Sep 84] - EF/CF/JS
Skip Short/William Tannen, Tri-Star/HBO
LEGEND [?? Apr 86] - EF/CF/JS
Arnon Milchan/Ridley Scott, Universal/20th Century Fox
THE PARK IS MINE [3 Jan 86] - EF/CF/JS
HBO/Steven Hillard Stern, Astral Films/HBO
DEADLY CARE [12 Mar 87] - EF/??
???.../David Anspaugh, Universal/ABC-TV
IDENTIFICATION OF A WOMAN [??? 87] - EF/CF/??
Michelangelo Antonioni, ???.../???...
NEAR DARK [Oct 87] - EF/CF/??
Ed Feldmann/Kathryn Bigelow, De Laurentis Ent. Group/F-M Entertaiment
THREE O'CLOCK HIGH [Oct 87] - EF/??
David Vogel/Phil Joanou, Universal
CANYON DREAMS [Oct 87] - EF/??
Jan Nickman+Gary Warriner/-, Camera One/Miramar
SHY PEOPLE [Dec 87] - EF/CF/??
Menahem Golan+Yoram Globus/Andrei Konchalovsky,
Golan-Globus/Cannon Films
DEAD SOLID PERFECT [1988] - EF/PH
Bill Badalato/Bobby Roth, David Merrick/HBO
RED NIGHTS [1987] - EF/??
Ron Wolotzsky/Izhak Hanooka, Trans World
MIRACLE MILE [26 May 89] - EF/PH
John Daly+Derek Gibson/Steve de Jarnatt, Tri-Star/Hemdale Films
CATCH ME IF YOU CAN [Oct 89] - EF/??
Jonathan Krane+Don Shain/Stephen Sommers, MCEG/Virgin Home Ent.
DESTINATION BERLIN [10 Dec 89] - EF/CF/PH
Andreas Schnoor/Ernst Heiniger+Stefan Lukschy, Circle Vision
THE MAN INSIDE [1991] - EF/??
Bobby Roth, ???.../???...
HIGHWAY TO HELL [1992] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
THREE PHASE [1993] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
(Concert video, Seattle '92)
OASIS [1996] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
ZONING [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/??
Angelika Hacker/Ulrich Krenkler, Scala Z Filmproduktion
SINGLE MAN [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/??
Bobby Roth, ???.../???...
HEARTBREAKERS [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/??
Lee Muhl+Harry Cooper+Josef Frank/Bobby Roth, ???.../???...
TRUE NORTH [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
FORBIDDEN [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/??
Mark Forstater/Anthony Page, ???.../???...
CODENAME: THE SOLDIER [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/??
Boyce Harman/James Glickenhaus, ???.../???...
STRANGE BEHAVIOUR [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
CRAZY FOR YOU [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
THE EXORCIST [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
BURNING POINT BROOKLIN [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
BODY BODY [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
DAS VERBOTENE SPIEL ('The Taboo Game') [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
DEAD KIDS [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
EIN FUER ALLEMAL ('One For All') [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
FORBIDDEN [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
THE FURY [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???... (?)
FUTURE WAR 198X [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
GERADEUS BIS ZUM MORGEN
('Straight Ahead Until Morning') [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
HEISSER SCHNEE ('Hot Snow') [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
MECHANIC THUNDER [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???... (?)
NIGHTMARE CITY [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
NINJA [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
VISION QUEST [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/??
Jon Peters/Harold Becker, ???.../???...
(Tangerine Dream music is in the movie but not on the OST album)
OEDIPUS TYRANIUS [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
(Recorded June 1974, not released. Source of Overture track on 'V')
RED HEAT [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
SPASMS [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
VAMPIRA [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
VEGETABLE PEOPLE [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
RUMPELSTILTSKIN [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
RAINBOW DRIVE [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
???.../???..., ???.../???...
(Bobby Roth was involved in this cable movie -- source: Brian Kirby
)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 3:22
am
Subject: Re: COMA VIRUS
Really-From: dbrewer@a...
> Quoted From: Michael A Jean
>
> I finally tracked down a copy of the Coma Virus 'Hidden' CD. However, Now
> I have a question...I seem to remember reading that a track from the CD
> appears on a SIDE EFFECTS sampler. The title escapes me at the moment,
> but none of the CD track titles sounded familiar. So, is there a unique
> song available only on the sampler, or is my memory just faulty?
>
I seem to recall reading (in Horizon) that the sampler's track was not
one of the _Hidden_ tracks. So yes, there is a song available only on
the sampler. I am looking forward to checking CV out!
Dave Brewer
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 3:26
am
Subject: Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
-snip-
> I know; pretty sickening, isn't it? And remember, boys and girls,
> Crazy Eddie is the one responsible, while all the while, he doesn't
> like Silva Screen releasing stuff like THE PARK IS MINE because he
> can't TANGENT-ize it. More power to Silva Screen, I say!!! ;) :)
'TPiM' has very serious problems and you know it Steve. I could easily
live without it.
Why do you say 'Tangents' is sickening? If you don't like it, you don't
like it. You don't have to push everybody's face in it do you?
It's good, accurate descriptions of what's on 'Tangents' and 'DRC' that
we need to have a 'D: Tangents' and a 'D: Dream Roots'.
Hell, maybe they should be considered entirely new albums. My two
cents. -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 3:34
am
Subject: Shroyder/StarSound
Really-From: Ken Alexander
> Star Sound Orchestra released a 2CD 'live' set in 1995 (or
> 1996) called Inter-Planetary Ambience (if memory serves). I
> quickly snapped it up from a small shop in Aberdeen
Can you (or someone else who has it) describe what this one is like? Thanks.
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Vic Rek
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2/21/1997
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 3:28
am
Subject: Re: Various TD-related Whoppers from the WWW
Really-From: Mark Filipak
I'm sorry about posting an attachment to the list. It was a mistake. I
meant it to go to Steve privately. Please excuse the post. -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 4:08
am
Subject: D:Tyger
Really-From: Vic Rek
I give Tyger 3AS.
My favorite song is 'Smile' and that's all I'll talk about for this album.
I think the vocals on this CD are great and a nice change for TD to
incorporate them. I disagree that the vocals ruin the album. There's
something very soothing and seductive in hearing a beautiful female voice
backed by TD.
Now Tyger CD release info (not complete):
87 US Caroline CAROL CD 1341 - 6 tracks, 6 indeces
Silver disc with design and logo cover
87 UK Jive CHIP 47 - 6 tracks, 5 indeces
Silver disc with logo cover
92 US Relativity 88561-1055-2 - 7 tracks, extra 'Vigour'
Black disc with Tiger cover (remastered?)
96 US Sequel 1048-2 - 6 tracks
Yellow disc with Tiger cover (remastered from orig. tapes)
All covers have slight variations from each other.
Now as it relates to 'Smile'.
Caroline 6:12 (great)
Jive 6:12 (great)
Relativity 5:54 (what happened here? - Poorest of the versions)
Sequel 6:11 (the best!)
That's it for this unconventional 'review'.
Vic
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feldon@n...
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2/21/1997
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slawlor
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2/21/1997
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2/21/1997
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Mark Filipak
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2/21/1997
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Mark Jones
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2/22/1997
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London Glitch (was Re: D:Tyger)
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 4:23
am
Subject: Shroyder/StarSound
Really-From: Vic Rek
>Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 22:34:49 -0500 (EST)
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Sender: tadream@c...
>To: tadream@c...
>Errors-To: tadream-request@c...
>Subject: Shroyder/StarSound
>
>Really-From: Ken Alexander
>
>
>> Star Sound Orchestra released a 2CD 'live' set in 1995 (or
>> 1996) called Inter-Planetary Ambience (if memory serves). I
>> quickly snapped it up from a small shop in Aberdeen
>
>Can you (or someone else who has it) describe what this one is like? Thanks.
>
Great stuff. Very similar to 'Planets' if you have it. It is a live album,
so there are tracks from various releases that you can identify, but better.
Very deep ambient music - I highly recommend this.
Vic
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 4:47
am
Subject: Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 05:13 PM 2/20/97 EST, you wrote:
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>
>>[. . .] Book of Dreams which is a subset of Dream Roots, it is 2 discs
>>and is sort of the 'best of' Dream Roots. [. . .]
>
> You mean I already spent $s on BOOK OF DREAMS, which is actually
>2/5 (two-fifths) of DREAM ROOTS? That really blows. That's twice in two
>years (the last time being the US and UK versions of DREAM MIXES. :( :(
Actually, I would have rather gotten Book of Dreams instead of Dream Roots,
it has what I wanted from Dream Roots. Maybe we could trade (for a little
$)... And yes, I got burned on Dream Mixes US and UK too!
>>[. . .] There is nothing like this for Tangents.
>
> Not commercially, but there was a US promo that was indeed a
>TANGENTS Greatest Hits sorta deal. I have a copy.
Damn! if you don't mind me asking you to sit down and write out the
tracklist, if it's not too much trouble.
> You know, if Ed spent half the time on regular TD releases that
>he does milking 'new' songs out of old material on his box set scams,
>maybe we'd have more than two really good TD efforts in five years!!!
Hey! I wouldn't say that! I think that *some* of the changes are for the
better. For starters, I love the new version of Logos Blue Part (I know that
doesn't justify $55 but the unreleased stuff and some other stuff does). In
fact, I dropped a hint a couple of messages ago expressing interest in 1988
concert tour b**ts. Hope someone caught it.
Morgan
feldon@n...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 4:55
am
Subject: Phaedra
Really-From: feldon@n...
I guess it's pretty strange, but here's the order I started with TD:
Miracle Mile
Turn of the Tides
Electronic Meditation
after hearing this, I vowed not to buy any TD before 1983!
Rockoon
Phaedra
in hindsight, it's funny how I was able to switch from Jerome years to
Phaedra and really like it even on the first listen.
Morgan
feldon@n...
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2/21/1997
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Vincent Goudreault
Fri
2/21/1997
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Phaedra
Christian Villazón
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Greg
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Phaedra
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 5:04
am
Subject: Soundtrack Info Update
Really-From: feldon@n...
>CANYON DREAMS [Oct 87] - EF/??
> Jan Nickman+Gary Warriner/-, Camera One/Miramar
Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Paul Haslinger except track 8 (Colorado Dawn)
composed and played by Jerome Froese.
>ZONING [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/??
> Angelika Hacker/Ulrich Krenkler, Scala Z Filmproduktion
Chris Franke left TD in 1987. This CD was recorded in 1995, released
February 1996. Edgar Froese produced all the songs and Jerome also played on
the first and last track.
Morgan Marks
feldon@n...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 5:07
am
Subject: Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 07:26 PM 2/20/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
>
>Why do you say 'Tangents' is sickening? If you don't like it, you don't
>like it. You don't have to push everybody's face in it do you?
>
>It's good, accurate descriptions of what's on 'Tangents' and 'DRC' that
>we need to have a 'D: Tangents' and a 'D: Dream Roots'.
>
>Hell, maybe they should be considered entirely new albums. My two
>cents. -- Mark
Once again (broken record mode), I would like to do a webpage with lots of
opinions and detailed comparisons of Tangents & Dream Roots.
Morgan
feldon@n...
http://www.neosoft.com/~feldon/terramorph/
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 5:10
am
Subject: Re: D:Tyger
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 11:08 PM 2/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>92 US Relativity 88561-1055-2 - 7 tracks, extra 'Vigour'
> Black disc with Tiger cover (remastered?)
>
Am I the only one who could swear that the Relativity release sounds like it
was played over an AM radio and rerecorded with a little voice tape recorder.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 5:22
am
Subject: Re: Soundtrack Info Update
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: feldon@n...
>
> >CANYON DREAMS [Oct 87] - EF/??
> > Jan Nickman+Gary Warriner/-, Camera One/Miramar
>
> Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Paul Haslinger except track 8 (Colorado
> Dawn) composed and played by Jerome Froese.
Thanks for this -- I have 'CD' now but forgot to update.
> >ZONING [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/??
> > Angelika Hacker/Ulrich Krenkler, Scala Z Filmproduktion
>
> Chris Franke left TD in 1987. This CD was recorded in 1995, released
> February 1996. Edgar Froese produced all the songs and Jerome also
> played on the first and last track.
Actually, as this is the movie, not the CD, I'm looking for the
'original' soundtrack lineup and date of release which I believe did
include Chris.
> Morgan Marks
> feldon@n...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 5:35
am
Subject: Re: D:Tyger
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: feldon@n...
>
> At 11:08 PM 2/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >Really-From: Vic Rek
> >
> >92 US Relativity 88561-1055-2 - 7 tracks, extra 'Vigour'
> > Black disc with Tiger cover (remastered?)
> >
>
> Am I the only one who could swear that the Relativity release sounds
> like it was played over an AM radio and rerecorded with a little voice
> tape recorder.
Mine sounds just fine -- rich, full, robust. Check the writing around
the center hole mine says:
'88561-1055-2 (V)' and 'MASTERED BY NIMBUS'
What does your say? -- Mark
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 7:41
am
Subject: Re: Soundtrack Info Update
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
> > Really-From: feldon@n...
> >
> > >ZONING [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/??
> > > Angelika Hacker/Ulrich Krenkler, Scala Z Filmproduktion
> >
> > Chris Franke left TD in 1987. This CD was recorded in 1995, released
> > February 1996. Edgar Froese produced all the songs and Jerome also
> > played on the first and last track.
>
> Actually, as this is the movie, not the CD, I'm looking for the
> 'original' soundtrack lineup and date of release which I believe did
> include Chris.
Well, duh. I was thinking of 'The Keep'. Never mind. -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 7:55
am
Subject: Re: Mail Order CD Shops
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-02-19 22:34:07 EST, you write:
<< I HIGHLY recommend CD Connection.
I hope some of you will benefit from my experience.
Rich Maggio
>>
I've had problems with CD Europe, too, but nothing like yours.
Gads!
BTW, how about a web-address for CD Connection.
Phil Naunton
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Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 9:09
am
Subject: Re: D: Tyger
Really-From: Jens Kilian
> Now that I think about it more, what bothers me about the vocals is that
> she _sings_ them, not just recites them. I think I would have liked it
> better had she merely recited the poems. It would have been more like
> Kiew Mission.
At least 'Tyger' and 'London' are meant to be sung. After all, they're from
'*Songs* of Experience'. (I'm not sure if 'Little Fly' is also in there.)
Blake himself used to sing his poems[1].
Greetings,
Jens.
[1] Source: Peter Ackroyd(sp?), 'Blake'.
--
Internet: Jens_Kilian@b... Phone: +49-7031-14-7698 (TELNET 778-7698)
MausNet: [currently offline] Fax: +49-7031-14-7351
PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish,
0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake]
From:
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Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 1:07
pm
Subject: RE: TD T-Shirts from S.Bush concert and others
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>As long as we're registering complaints about TD T-shirts purchased at
>shows,
My '88 tour shirt is still growing strong. I haven't worn it in a while,
though, it being winter and all.
My '86 tour shirt has been ressurected as a night shirt for my
four-year-old son (Cool! Tangera Dream!)
Depends on who makes 'em, I guess.
Scott
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Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 1:32
pm
Subject: RE: Phaedra
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>I guess it's pretty strange, but here's the order I started with TD:
>Phaedra
> in hindsight, it's funny how I was able to switch from Jerome years to
>Phaedra and really like it even on the first listen.
Phaedra's about the earliest I can listen to for pleasure, too, but what
I like about it is how it can be modern as well as a relic of the
distant past. After all, they did an excerpt from it for the '88 tour (a
part I really like to crank while driving).
Scott
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Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 2:23
pm
Subject: Re: Phaedra
Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
On Feb 20, 10:55pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Phaedra
> Really-From: feldon@n...
>
>
> I guess it's pretty strange, but here's the order I started with TD:
>
> Miracle Mile
> Turn of the Tides
> Electronic Meditation
> after hearing this, I vowed not to buy any TD before 1983!
How did you single out 1983? Since Electronic Meditation was released waaaay
back in 1970, what made you believe that the band didn't produce anthing
worthy between 1971 and 1983?
> Rockoon
> Phaedra
> in hindsight, it's funny how I was able to switch from Jerome years to
> Phaedra and really like it even on the first listen.
>
> Morgan
> feldon@n...
>
>-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 2:38
pm
Subject: TD as elevator music
Really-From: PhilPDX@a...
At my workplace, they usually play this AWFUL vocal jazz, really cheesy and
frenetic. They used to play nice new age and electronic music - I actually
used to hear Jean Michel Jarre and Jonn Serrie once in awhile.
For one week awhile back, they switched back to this format. I actually
heard Elf June and the Midnight Patrol in our elevators - I thought it was so
cool. Alas, it was only for a week. But it was fun.
Phil D.
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Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 2:43
pm
Subject: Re: D:Tyger
Really-From: slawlor
Hi there. The only two songs I like on this cd are Tyger and Alchemy of
the Heart. Oh yeah, I like the instrumental section of London. And
those three tracks after Smile don't fit either in terms of the content
or musical style of the rest of the cd. I'm not sure which one I have,
but Alchemy of the Heart, on my copy anyway, doesn't even fade in like on
the original album. And I don't like the extra drums on the title track
either. So out of all my t dream disks, which isn't that many, I only
listen to this one for these two songs, and not very much either Maybe
I'll give it 1 to 1.5 AS or something like that. If the original album
version was on disk, I'd buy it, which would mean that I'd have better
versions of the two songs that I liked. Well, that's it for now I guess.
scott K. Lawlor
http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor
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Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 2:51
pm
Subject: Re: Complete tour lists?
Really-From: m.schaffer@i...
>
> Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner)
>
> Sure, but John has a pretty complete collection, and he knows that he
> can trust my list as well.
Right, but that doesn't alter the fact that there are some tapes that
_nobody_ has (AFAWK), because they were never recorded. John's point
(paraphrased) was that while certain gigs remain unavailable, we can
never fully ascertain that _precisely_ the same pattern was followed
during a given tour; but we agreed in the end that, for practical
purposes, we would assume such.
Remember, I agreed with you! I was just playing Devil's Advocate (and
also putting John's side of the argument.)
>
> I was only thinking about real concert broadcasts. There's only a few,
> like one per tour. The little media bits can be left till later.
Personally, I'd rather leave this out - while we stick with concerts
only, our remit remains clear. We're not listing every single live
and recorded performance ever - that was never the original plan. The
point was to provide a record of what was played at each concert, and
to that end, listing radio broadcasts doesn't add to the project.
Thanks for the interest, though.
Mark Schaffer
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Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 2:51
pm
Subject: I`m Back!!!!
Really-From: James Williams
Finally!!
After about 4 months of constant Mail problems I can now send and
receive external mail (seemingly) without any problems 8)
Because of this problem I have missed any discussion that took place
regarding the London Concert (Which was Great BTW). I find this
very disappointing.
The T-shirt Page is still there and i think can now be accessed without
any problems on:
http://www.java.cms.livjm.ac.uk/cmsjwil1/tadream.html
If any one wishes to mail me direct use the following address from now
on:
cmsjwil1@l...
Not any of the other addresses you may have.
Phil D...
Sorry for not getting in touch. I got Sonabulistic Imagery, Thanks
I like it a lot.
Matt W....
Hi. Get in touch and we`ll do some swaps.
Scott P...
Hi dude. Still up for producing an official List T-Shirt?
All the Very best to all List Members
Jim.
---------------------------------------------
James Williams
BSc (hons) Computer Studies
Liverpool John Moores University
School Of Computing And Mathematical Sciences
England
cmsjwil1@l...
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Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 10:29
pm
Subject: Is he trying to tell us something?
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi Gang,
Found thison the space-music digest. Is this guy looking for a fight or what?
>There is a Tangerine Dream list, but I personallly found it pretty low on
>content. For subscription instructions, just search the web for one of the
>Tangerine Dream web sites, which should tell you what you need to know.
Actually, I think it's actually Ash Prema under an alias!
Cheers
David
Only kidding, Ash!
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 10:30
pm
Subject: Time signatures
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi all,
>The great thing about TD's use of unusual time signatures is it doesn't
>jump out at you - it's just used tastefully where it's appropriate.
>Contrast with, for example, Rush, whose music often screams 'LOOK HOW
>CLEVER WE ARE, EVERYBODY, WE'RE PLAYING IN 5/4 TIME!'
I would agree with this, sort off. Rush are very good but I've become bored
with it. I still listen to them but I prefer TD. In fact, I don't know of a
single TD album I have that I've become mindlessly bored with the exception
of a compilation album that I gave away anyway!
The 'worst' Rush signature I found was 17/18 (I think) on the intro to
'Time Stand Still'. Sounds good but getting the timing right! Forget it!
Cheers
David
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tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 10:30
pm
Subject: Offensive!
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi All,
>Since I live in something like 'Britain' (problematic for me to say,
>since I live in Northern Ireland), I realize that Britains refer to the
>continent as 'Europe', and Britain as a country apart from that.
>They don't want to mess that much with the French, Spainiards,
>Italian, or - which would be the worst - Germans.
>As always, they want to be something special....
>
>(all this with lots of ;) )
Errr, but even with lots of ;) emoticons after this silly statment, I find
this offensive. I'm sure that everyone on the list would be happier if you
kept your childish remarks to yourself and refrained from perpertuating
threads like the rather tedious 'names' issue. If this bites, tough!
Somehow, I don't see your mindless comments going down too well on the
Shankhill Road, matey!
David
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Date: (Date Unavailable)
Subject: New release??? 'The Brick'???
Really-From: craigs@p... (Craig Shipley)
Searching the Web to flesh out my Hawkwind collection, I can across
a pending Tangerine Dream release titled 'The Brick'. US Domestic
release, forty bucks, no indication of how many disks, no further
info....Called the place to inquire about it, he has no idea what is
onnit, but will e-mail me with details. Anybody know anything about
this??? (OK, it was at www.rpmrecords.com andthe have one copy of
Book Of Dreams left)
And for you Andy Pickford fans, act now if you want a copy of his
live CD! Supposedly only 500 copies to be pressed (according to CUE
Records homepage...) Got mine on order.... :-)
Also, would Paul Nagle contact me via private e-mail. I've heard your
music and would like to buy a couple of discs, but having a hard time
finding it. Thanks!
--
-m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs@p...
---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems
-----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400
-------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404
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Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 6:05
pm
Subject: Re: D:Tyger
Really-From: dbrewer@a...
> Quoted From: Mark Filipak
>
> > Quoted From: feldon@n...
> >
> > Am I the only one who could swear that the Relativity release sounds
> > like it was played over an AM radio and rerecorded with a little voice
> > tape recorder.
>
> Mine sounds just fine -- rich, full, robust. Check the writing around
> the center hole mine says:
>
> '88561-1055-2 (V)' and 'MASTERED BY NIMBUS'
>
I think I went through this with you as well, Mark! I think you are one
of the very few folks that got a Relativity copy that was pressed on a day
when it was *not* dusty in the factory! :-) Seriously, though, you must
be a little more tolerant about sound quality than alot of people. My
copy (which is numbered the same) has some little flaws peppered
throughout; like the dropout during the guitar solo in London (that
specific point was edited out of the DRC version of the track), the intro
to Alchemy clearly sounds like it was punched in in the middle of the
recording, and the hiss and pops in parts of Alchemy (especially the
beautiful piano part, played by Paul, right?). Granted, the recording is
more than listenable, but I would have figured they were doing full
digital recordings by this time. (but what do I know??) I'm considering
getting the Sequel reissue just to hear the differences.
BTW, with the trend that some artists put hidden tracks on their CDs, I
was wondering - was Tyger the first CD that had a hidden track on it?
(21CCM P2) Or maybe Poland, w/ Rare Bird embedded in Tangent? Just curious...
(and things like the tape loop at the end of Sgt. Pepper don't count)
Dave Brewer
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 12:10
am
Subject: Re: Re: D: Tyger
Really-From: anunes@m...
Armin Theissen wrote:
>This one single D:Tyger posting: was that mine? I can't remember whether I
>posted it or not.
No, you didn't. Before your message there are D:Tyger posts from Lars Jones,
Phil N. and Scott Plumer. So, the world is waiting for yours!
Antonio Nunes
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 11:41
pm
Subject: Re: D:Tyger
Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:08:26 -0500 (EST) tadream mailing list
wrote:
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>
>I give Tyger 3AS.
>My favorite song is 'Smile' and that's all I'll talk about for this album.
>I think the vocals on this CD are great and a nice change for TD to
>incorporate them. I disagree that the vocals ruin the album. There's
>something very soothing and seductive in hearing a beautiful female
voice
>backed by TD.
>
Sorry to disagree, but I cannot see what you like about the Smile. I find
Tyger quite nice, and I certainly like Alchemy of the Heart, but my
definite favourite on that album is London. The various poems used in it
are skilfully arranged, and merge beautifully into the instrumental
section which I think is the smoothest piece of music the
Froese/Franke/Haslinger era has brought forth, alongside with
Livemiles. I think the whole Tyger album is much underrated.
Dennis
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Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 12:51
am
Subject: D: Tyger / 'offensive'
Really-From: Armin Theissen
So I've written this and forgot to post it. Here it is:
D: Tyger...I waited long for this one.
I like Tyger very much. Though I also like the tracks '20th century
common man', I think they don't add anything to the overall feel of
the album. For me, the album 'Tyger' is closed with 'Smile'.
Tyger: I'm not much a fan of this song, but the vocals are definitely
necessary. It is a pure song, and the music without the vocals as
can be heard on several boots and/or fantapes is nothing.
London: My favourite on Tyger. I feel not only poetry, but some kind
of a vernisage, I imagine to be inside a huge conrete and steel
building like the art museum in Bonn, and accidentially Tangerine
Dream is playing in one corner and Jocyline%$* is reading Blake.
The music is supporting the reading very well, it stays modestly in
the background to let Jocyl%$* play the first part, but is right
because of that very interesting since the single sounds
(harpsichord-like sound and percussion, aah, ooh) seem much more
isolated and exposed as in a 'usual' TD piece where there is so much
that your attention is distraced.
(Hey Edgar, Jermoe, Linda, you might want to visit these Bonn museums when
you are visiting Bonn for a concert on April 11th. You may also walk
into the museum for german history and see 'Electronic Meditation'
exposed in the 60s/70s section!!! And if you're ready for a good
blues session on the Thursday evening before the concert, go to
the Jazz Galery on Oxford Strasse! If you bring your guitars,
we might do a set, and Linda: our sax player recently left and the
session always needs a sax!).
Alchemy of the Heart:
Here the music takes off as it didn't, couldn't and shouldn't in
London because of the Lyrics.
Smile:
A perfect end of the album: classical Franke sequencer which finally
reminds you 'this is TD', no much evolution in the track, vocals
and music melt quite a lot - a wonderful piece to bring this masterpiece
to an end.
The rest:
As already mentioned, I like 20thCCM, but it does not add anything to
the Tyger concept, nor does 'Vigour' which I find very boring. No
further comments.
Armin
PS: since it caused such a heavy reaction ('offensive!'), give me
a chance here to
a) apologize for misunderstandings (I was in a mood for writing a
lot and posting immediately, and irony does not work on the internet,
even with ;) 's) and
b) defend: what I posted is what some people (britains) *tell me* after
a few pints of beer with a lot of these ;) . Looks to me to be a common
kind of joke between british and continental Europeans. So much
to childish.
c) tell you: I love to be in Britain and/or Ireland - otherwise
I wouldn't have moved to here.
Armin Theissen
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Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 11:55
pm
Subject: Re: D:Tyger--was it TD's original idea?
Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
On 20 Feb 97 12:07:19 EST tadream mailing list
wrote:
>Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...>
>
>
>Hi folks,
>
>No, I'm not making this up: I was in a shop in New York City about a
year ago,
>and, while browsing, over the PA system (which was playing some sort
of 'light
>music' station when I walked in) I heard something that sure got my
attention:
>it was either a blatant imitation of, or TD's possible inspiration for, the
>'Tyger' album.
>
>Basically, imagine the track 'Tyger', but done with a different melody,
>symphonic backing instead of electronics, and with a different female
singer. I
>listened to it, hoping to hear announced who had performed this, but
the station
>just segued into different music; I must have missed when the radio
announcer
>mentioned who actually performed/composed this.
>
>Anyhow, I wonder, does this scenario sound familiar to anyone?
Another artist
>poetically reciting the words to Blake's 'Tyger' to music? My
impression was
>that this might have been recorded in the 1950s, I don't recall why, but
I've
>never been able to track down who recorded this (though admittedly I
haven't
>tried to hard). But it would be very interesting to locate this music, if it
>indeed preceded TD's 'Tyger.'
>
>--John
I remember hearing a punk version of Tyger (must have been at some
point in the 80s). As far as I can recall, the female singer cited only the
chorus and was not bothered at all about the stanzas. It was rather poor
compared with the TD version anyway, so I decided not to worry too
much about who it was by, and when it was recorded.
Dennis
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 6:12
pm
Subject: RE: TD as elevator music
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>At my workplace, they usually play this AWFUL vocal jazz, really cheesy and
>frenetic. They used to play nice new age and electronic music - I actually
I think there's an OSHA regulation against that; workplace hazard and
all. :-)
Scott
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 8:54
pm
Subject: Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: feldon@n...
>
> At 07:26 PM 2/20/97 -0800, you wrote:
> > Really-From: Mark Filipak
> >
> >
> > Why do you say 'Tangents' is sickening? If you don't like it, you
> > don't like it. You don't have to push everybody's face in it do you?
> >
> > It's good, accurate descriptions of what's on 'Tangents' and 'DRC'
> > that we need to have a 'D: Tangents' and a 'D: Dream Roots'.
> >
> > Hell, maybe they should be considered entirely new albums. My two
> > cents. -- Mark
>
> Once again (broken record mode), I would like to do a webpage with lots
> of opinions and detailed comparisons of Tangents & Dream Roots.
Morgan (don't be rude) ... A web page done by you would be nice,
assuming it happens, but it doesn't substitute for discussion on this
list. Regards -- Mark
>
> Morgan
> feldon@n...
> http://www.neosoft.com/~feldon/terramorph/
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 9:30
pm
Subject: Re[2]:
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
>Hi Brian. I appreciate your frustration and I share it. I have helped
>many people to unsub -- you can just ask Dave. The unsub help that I
>have accidentally posted to the list from time to time results from the
>way Dave has the header processing set up. I've asked him to consider
>processing the headers a different way but he has a system set up and
>doesn't want to change it. Regards -- Mark
Heh heh. {Sheepish look}. Uh, well it looks like I lost my cool for nothing.
Hey, how 'bout those Bulls?
-B. Kirby
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Subject: D: Tyger / 'offensive'
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Subject: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . .
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: Re: Various TD-related Whoppers from the WWW
>Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:00:00 -0800
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
> Films And Videos To Which Tangerine Dream Has Contributed
>=================================================================
>
>-key-
>NAME_OF_PRODUCTION [premiere_date] - band_lineup
> producer/director, production_company/distribution_company
>
>HIGHWAY TO HELL [1992] - EF/??
There is only a track from MIRACLE MILE. I saw the part of the
film where it occurs.
>ZONING [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/??
So, Chris 'n' Ed recorded it, but Ed edited Chris' part out???
>SINGLE MAN [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/??
> Bobby Roth, ???.../???...
First time I've heard of this one.
>CRAZY FOR YOU [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
This was the working title for VISION QUEST a long time ago.
>THE EXORCIST [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
Wrong. It was--all join in, now--Mike Oldfield.
>THE FURY [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
Wrong.
My two cents.
-- Steven Feldman and
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 11:08
pm
Subject: Re: D:Tyger
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: dbrewer@a...
>
> > Quoted From: Mark Filipak
> >
> > > Quoted From: feldon@n...
> > >
> > > Am I the only one who could swear that the Relativity release
> > > sounds like it was played over an AM radio and rerecorded with a
> > > little voice tape recorder.
> >
> > Mine sounds just fine -- rich, full, robust. Check the writing
> > around the center hole mine says:
> >
> > '88561-1055-2 (V)' and 'MASTERED BY NIMBUS'
> >
> I think I went through this with you as well, Mark! I think you are one
> of the very few folks that got a Relativity copy that was pressed on a
> day when it was *not* dusty in the factory! :-) Seriously, though, you
> must be a little more tolerant about sound quality than alot of people.
> My copy (which is numbered the same) has some little flaws peppered
> throughout; like the dropout during the guitar solo in London (that
> specific point was edited out of the DRC version of the track), the
> intro to Alchemy clearly sounds like it was punched in in the middle of
> the recording, and the hiss and pops in parts of Alchemy (especially
> the beautiful piano part, played by Paul, right?). Granted, the
> recording is more than listenable, but I would have figured they were
> doing full digital recordings by this time. (but what do I know??) I'm
> considering getting the Sequel reissue just to hear the differences.
> BTW, with the trend that some artists put hidden tracks on their CDs, I
> was wondering - was Tyger the first CD that had a hidden track on it?
> (21CCM P2) Or maybe Poland, w/ Rare Bird embedded in Tangent? Just
> curious... (and things like the tape loop at the end of Sgt. Pepper
> don't count)
Dave! Has I dawned on you that you may have something wrong with your
CD? Just for you and dispite your patronizing, I listened to the guitar
solo of London
09:54 - 10:30 -- 1st part of guitar solo
11:06 - 11:46 -- 2nd part of guitar solo
12:29 - 13:19 -- 3rd part of guitar solo
The only thing I heard that might at all be considered unusual is a 5
second change of 'lead' from guitar to keyboard and back to guitar at
10:12. Is this the 'dropout' you refer to? Was it bridged over (quite
effectively I might add) on the mastering I have?
Yes we have been through this before, but every time it comes up, it
gets stooopid. This time, can you give me a time mark at which your
'dropout' occurs or are you going to continue to insist it exists and
I'm just not hearing it?
I agree about the intro to 'Alchemy' but I don't agree about hiss and
pops. I think you just have a bad CD from a bad production run.
My understanding is that making CDs is somewhat like making vinyl
records. Anyone, please correct me if I err. There are mothers and
stampers. Mothers are positive and are used to make stampers (which are
negative) which are in turn used to make discs. After a certain number
of discs, a new stamper is made from the current mother. And after a
certain number of stampers are made from 'her', the mother is retired.
When there are no more mothers, the production run is finished and the
album is now out of production until and unless a decision is made to
make new mothers. But if an active decision is made _not_ to make new
mothers, then the album is out print.
All this is why I'm interested in things like the fact that Virgin CDV
2097 (ie, 'Cyclone') appears to have had at least 5 production runs:
1985, 1990, 1994, 1995, and 1996. I would assume that for each of
these, new mothers were made from the master mix tape. If one cannot
distinguish between the various production runs, then this info is
fairly useless, but it does show continued demand for the album.
I would imagine that sometimes an entire production run may be flawed by
a bad mother or set of mothers and/or a bad run of the production master
tape -- you know -- a production engineer accidentally hits a mute
stitch or something and either doesn't notice or doesn't give a s__t.
'What do I know?' you rhetorically ask. I don't know Dave but it would
help if you remembered that everyone on this list is fairly intellegent
and highly motivated to both appreciate and understand TD.
Regards -- Mark
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Re Sickening TANGENT-izing
Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Ducking for Cover'
>Subject: Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening
>Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:26:02 -0800
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
>> Crazy Eddie is the one responsible, while all the while, he doesn't
>> like Silva Screen releasing stuff like THE PARK IS MINE because he
>> can't TANGENT-ize it. More power to Silva Screen, I say!!! ;) :)
>
>'TPiM' has very serious problems and you know it Steve. I could easily
>live without it.
Your choice. THE PARK IS MINE is one of my all-time fave TD albums.
The fact that the sound is about on par with that of SORCERER doesn't
mean it's not great. Note how the sound on LEGEND and GOBLINS' CLUB is
about as good as TD sound has ever gotten, yet neither of these albums
are in the 'Top Ten,' so to speak.
>Why do you say 'Tangents' is sickening? If you don't like it, you don't
>like it. You don't have to push everybody's face in it do you?
It's Virgin (and Castle and Sequel) that is pushing everyone's face
in it. I'm tired of the fact that there are upteen 'greatest hits'
packages for TD--none of which I would recommend to anyone wishing to
try the band out for the first time. The fact that all of them are
transparent marketing ploys merely to sell product for one particular
publisher is what sickens me. A true greatest hits sorta thing would
include the tracks that count unaltered, in their original form, and
from whatever label and/or publisher the music originates from. Folks
used to joke about K-Tel Records, but at least those guys issued
collections with original sources from scads and scads of different
sources. (For a long time, K-Tel's BEST OF BOWIE was better than
any collection Bowie's then-label RCA had on the shelves.)
>Hell, maybe they should be considered entirely new albums. [. . .]
They are. That's much of the problem. Paying $40+ for one new
CD is annoying enough, but to have a sampler that is not a sampler
because is it a remix fest rather than a real sampler is obnoxious.
-- Steven Feldman and
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Feb 21, 1997 9:28
pm
Subject: London Concert
Really-From: Michael A Jean
Perhaps what you thought was LOART was some of the 220 Volt music....
Regarding the Sheperd's Bush CD: There were a few problems with the
packing, but each of my copies seem to play fine. One had a long streak
of glue across it, and several had small scratches around the edges. I
think the problem has more to do with the manufacturer than cardboard
packaging in general...
Mike J
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Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 1:39
am
Subject: tangerine dream vs. the orb???
Really-From: ' Thomas B'
Any truth to the rumor that the orb and Tangerine Dream may play some combined
dates in the US during the month of May.
--spearman
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 3:13
am
Subject: Re: tangerine dream vs. the orb???
Really-From: sean
> Any truth to the rumor that the orb and Tangerine Dream may play some combined
> dates in the US during the month of May.
Now THAT's a tasty rumour. Where did you hear this?
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'I used to be indecisive,
but now I just don't know'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 3:36
am
Subject: D:Tyger
Really-From: Mark Jones
For any interested parties, here are my opinions and experiences with
'Tyger,' followed by a question of no matter...
I picked up 'Tyger' in the summer of 1989, and after playing it once,
thought very seriously about trying to return it for credit. Thankfully I
never did. I didn't hate it entirely, but I didn't like 'Tyger' the way I
did Tangram. I relished the new sound and thought the orchestration was
superb. I wasn't quite so fond of Jocelyn Smith, who I thought took
Blake's hope and despair and melodramatized them to the point of
self-mockery, nor with the excerpts in 'London,' which at the time seemed
just spliced together without any continuity at all. In fact, what
bothered me most was that this album, unlike the seamless others, seemed
to hang out at odd angles, the ultra-modern technology clashing with an
18th century poet.
It wasn't until I sat down some years later, thinking that I didn't want
to listen to Tangram (again) but didn't know what the hell else to listen
to, that the album finally took hold of my imagination and showed me some
incredibly fantastic images: a vast snowscape illuminated by the dying
rays of the setting sun in some arctic plane; the interweaving of chains
of amino acids to form the archetype of bride and groom of the
subconscious mind; the tyger's exothermic roar heard across two centuries,
shaking the bones and shattering the glass towers of commerce; and at the
brilliant altar of otherwhere, the marriage of heaven and hell, matter and
magic, flies and angels, neither one dissolving into each other but formed
from the same 'stuff' that made snow and light.
I sat in the ear-ringing darkness following the bittersweet refrain of
'Smile' and thought, Wow. How did THAT happen? How could this terribly
overwrought, uncomfortably spliced thing do THAT? I still wasn't
comfortable with the singing, but less so than before. It's all fingers
and hands, I guess. The lesson for me was that my immediate likes,
dislikes, and critical opinions are usually too definite to be trusted.
As with anything of quality, Tangerine Dream requires time, patience, and
an active imagination to fully appreciate. A little knowledge of music
helps too.
I do have one question that's always nagged at me. It's not terribly
important but if someone has some insight or an answer I'd like to hear
it. In the excerpt of London, where Mr. Blake goes wandering thro' each
chartr'd street, Ms. Smith makes what I think is a mistake of
pronounciation. My professors always pronounced 'Thames' as 'temz,' but
in the TD track, it's pronounced to rhyme with James. Which is correct?
Is this a period thing, or is there a slight faux-pas here?
Thanks for letting me to post. Responses may be sent to:
mjones@j...
-- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 3:37
am
Subject: Re: Shroyder/StarSound
Really-From: Ken Alexander
[Star Sounds Orchestra's 2CD live _Interplanetary Ambience_ is]
> Great stuff. Very similar to 'Planets' if you have it. It is a live album,
> so there are tracks from various releases that you can identify, but better.
> Very deep ambient music - I highly recommend this.
I don't have 'Planets', so I'm not sure what style it would be. Hmmm.
Can you express it in terms of TD or Schulze? If it were a TD or
Schulze album, in which year would it have been made?
Which album would the tracks fit on without arousing suspicion? :)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 4:30
am
Subject: D: Tangent (was: Re: Re Sickening TANGENT-izing)
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tan-gent --n
3. A sudden digression or change of course; go off on a tangent. [Lat.
'tangens' pr.part. of 'tangere', to touch]
Many artists recapitulate or reinterpret earlier works later in their
lives. Apparently, this is what Edgar has done with both 'Tangents'
and 'Dream Roots Collection'. I say 'apparently' because I don't have
either of these box sets -- I shall explain why this is.
Steve Feldman's opinion is presented below. Many established people on
this list share his opinion. It so happens that I don't usually buy
'best of' compilations because I don't see any point in it. If I have
the originals (bla bla bla). More to the point, most comps don't hang
together any better than '21st Century Common Man Part I' sounds right
following 'Smile' (to recap a recent discussion of the album 'Tyger').
I don't usually buy comps precisely because the music is the same as
the originals. That's why I mistakenly chose not to buy 'Tangents' in
the first place and it's because I have now discovered that 'Tangents'
is not a comp that I'm considering acquiring it at this late date.
Steve, if I have it correct, you don't like 'Tangents' _because_ the
tracks are different from the originals. That's fine, don't buy it.
If you already have it, sell it to me.
I think Steve and those who hold his views on 'Tangents' are missing
the point entirely. What I wish they'd do is stop whining about it.
> Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Ducking for Cover'
>
> > Really-From: Mark Filipak
> >
> > Why do you say 'Tangents' is sickening? If you don't like it, you
> > don't like it. You don't have to push everybody's face in it do you?
>
> It's Virgin (and Castle and Sequel) that is pushing everyone's
> face in it. I'm tired of the fact that there are upteen 'greatest
> hits' packages for TD--none of which I would recommend to anyone
> wishing to try the band out for the first time. The fact that all of
> them are transparent marketing ploys merely to sell product for one
> particular publisher is what sickens me. A true greatest hits sorta
> thing would include the tracks that count unaltered, in their original
> form, and from whatever label and/or publisher the music originates
> from. Folks used to joke about K-Tel Records, but at least those guys
> issued collections with original sources from scads and scads of
> different sources. (For a long time, K-Tel's BEST OF BOWIE was better
> than any collection Bowie's then-label RCA had on the shelves.)
>
> >Hell, maybe they should be considered entirely new albums. [. . .]
>
> They are. That's much of the problem. Paying $40+ for one new
> CD is annoying enough, but to have a sampler that is not a sampler
> because is it a remix fest rather than a real sampler is obnoxious.
>
> -- Steven Feldman and
>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 6:04
am
Subject: Re: Re Sickening TANGENT-izing
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 06:01 PM 2/21/97 EST, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Ducking for Cover'
>
>
>>Why do you say 'Tangents' is sickening? If you don't like it, you don't
>>like it. You don't have to push everybody's face in it do you?
>
> It's Virgin (and Castle and Sequel) that is pushing everyone's face
>in it.
Are you sure that Virgin, Castle, or Sequel were even involved in the
production of Tangents?
>I'm tired of the fact that there are upteen 'greatest hits'
>packages for TD--none of which I would recommend to anyone wishing to
>try the band out for the first time. The fact that all of them are
>transparent marketing ploys merely to sell product for one particular
>publisher is what sickens me. A true greatest hits sorta thing would
>include the tracks that count unaltered, in their original form, and
>from whatever label and/or publisher the music originates from.
I totally disagree with you. I doubt that Virgin is making tons of money.
Edgar did Tangents because he wanted to, not because he's hard up for cash.
If he were broke, he would have done much less work on Tangents than he did.
Why release a compilation where the songs are the same as the original
releases? Tangents was released for Tangerine Dream fans, not people being
introduced to TD. Edgar has stated that he wanted there to be something new
about Tangents that would interest fans.
>>Hell, maybe they should be considered entirely new albums. [. . .]
>
> They are. That's much of the problem. Paying $40+ for one new
>CD is annoying enough, but to have a sampler that is not a sampler
>because is it a remix fest rather than a real sampler is obnoxious.
I see no point in real samplers. What's the point in buying a sampler if
I've already got all the songs on other discs? The only reason I would spend
money to buy a 'sampler' CD is if it contains alternate or modified versions
of the original song. I'll buy three copies of Phaedra if they all sound
different and show different angles on the same basic theme, but i won't buy
3 copies of the same disc!
Morgan Marks
feldon@n...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 7:07
am
Subject: Re: (orb) tangerine dream vs. the orb???
Really-From: andy@p... (Andrew Nourse)
At 05:39 PM 2/21/97 -0800, Thomas B wrote:
>Any truth to the rumor that the orb and Tangerine Dream may play some
combined
>dates in the US during the month of May.
I HOPE SO!!!
The Tie-Dyed Side of the Force
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 9:43
am
Subject: FT/FS: 'Future Primitive'
Really-From: Mark Filipak
For trade(perferred) or sale:
Paul Haslinger, 'Future Primitive' [1994] Wildcat, WLD-9211
$7 plus $2 shipping.
mailto:filipak@k...?subject=Future_Primative
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 10:44
am
Subject: Logos CD vs. Logos b**t - LONG POST!
Really-From: feldon@n...
I have just spent the past 4 hours comparing the Logos CD with tapes of the
actual concert. Here's what I discovered. Note that where there is an actual
time, it is a correspondance to the CD. When there is a relative time or a
duration (like 5:30 long), that means it's extra music on the tapes.
time description
--------- -----------
0:00-5:23 identical to CD
2 minutes bridge music
6:30 long Logos-Orange* My favorite unreleased segment!
2 minutes bridge music
4:00 long Logos-Equis**
1 minute bridge music
4:20 long Logos-Reflect*
5:40 long Logos-Stone*
3 minutes bridge music
4:40 long Logos-Storm*
*:** long Replaying of an earlier TD song I believe
*:** long Mojave Plan from White Eagle (played in its entirety)
5:23-33:30 identical to CD (45 seconds clipped at the front)
It's shocking that the CD skips over almost an hour
of concert, isn't it?
33:31-38:00 Several patterns have been selectively removed for the
CD version. From listening to the tape, it must have
taken HOURS to do the amount of editing they did here.
38:01-45:00 no identifiable differences (slightly re-equalized drum)
*Indicates a name I made up for a section which I've digitized from the tape
and sped up to normal speed (the tape is horribly slowed down for some
reason). Each of the sound files I recorded from the tapes are between 23
and 34 megs and recorded at 44k, 16bit, mono.
**Indicates a name I made up for a section that I just couldn't part with
hard disk space for...
Encores
-------
#1 you'll have to forgive me. I don't own every TD, so this may or may not
be a previous release... They practiced it for about half an hour BEFORE the
concert during soundcheck.
#2 a White Eagle song if memory serves...
#3 Dominion (now that I listen to this, it's obvious to me that Edgar must
have redone it from scratch on the Tangents boxed set)
Morgan
feldon@n...
P.S. Still, if you look at it, Logos is the closest TD will ever get to a
completely unmodified 'Live' album. It also shows what they can accomplish
when put on the hot seat...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 4:04
pm
Subject: Re: New release??? 'The Brick'???
Really-From: Paul Nagle
On Fri, 21 Feb 97 9:15:14 PST, you wrote:
>Also, would Paul Nagle contact me via private e-mail. I've heard your
>music and would like to buy a couple of discs, but having a hard time
>finding it. Thanks!
Gosh - fame at last!
8-)
Paul
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Paul Nagle - paul@s...
www.softroom.demon.co.uk
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 11:17
am
Subject: attention Hans-Peter
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
We interrupt this program for a test of the Emergency Tang-cast System...
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
***************************************************************************
**********
Hello Hans-Peter,
I've gone and forgotten you E-mail address, could you please send it to me
at this address? Thanks!
Lars
***************************************************************************
***********
This has been a test of the Emergency Tang-cast System, had this been a
'real' emergency you would have been instructed to follow the appropriate
hypertext link.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 11:17
am
Subject: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, timewind
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
dreamers:
We were talking about the UK version of TOB that has the bonus track
'Quasar' (the AMP and TDI releases); I've also learned that this is the
case with TOTT and the bonus track 'Story of the Brave' which is also
available on the UK cd (TDI release)-- whereas us poor souls in the US (&
Canada and Mexico too??) have to shell out for the CD5 in order to get the
bonus tracks (do those on The Continent also have to shell out for the
singles too?)
I've seen the TOTT CD5 in at least two editions and think it is marginally
available but with Quasar, only those lucky enough to have found one of
the few copies of the TOB promo CD5 have it.
I suppose that what is our loss (in north america) on one hand will also be
our gain as these singles slowly creep up in price (I have already seen
some of them advertised as low as $5 and as high as $25 and $50--admittedly
a LITTLE TOO HIGH). Am I right in assuming that these singles weren't
released in the UK because of the full-length cds? Can anyone confirm?
Were the Dreamtime and Rockoon singles released in the UK or just US/NA???
Does anyone know the sizes of the releases of the miramar singles??
Even though these aren't the most popular albums, is there anyone in north
america who is interested in acquiring the 'full-length' UK versions of
these CDs (TOTT & TOB)--with the bonus tracks?? For that matter, does
anyone want any of the legit releases that are difficult to buy in the
states but widely available in the UK, like Shy People--which I think is
one of their best soundtracks--or dead solid perfect or the various covers
of any release or .....
If so, please E-mail me privately at 105411.3107@c...
I remember some vague mention a while ago about some Private Music
compilation with the td track 'oranges don't dream' that is unavailable
elsewhere.... is this for real? if so, does anyone know anything about
it? (like title, catalog number, date, price, availability, etc) or does
anyone have an extra copy?
I recently got the miramar video that was 'free' (for $5 s&h) for buying
the miramar 10 cd compilation It's actually not bad at all but not nearly
as good as true north which I really like alot. But watching this made me
wonder about the videos TD has released or been 'married' to (NOT films,
but things like canyon dreams, oasis, the dance mix videos--whenever it
comes out!--true north and ..... what else??) does anyone have a complete
list of their music videos that could be posted to the list?? are they all
from the 'seattle years'? or are some from the 'melrose Years' also? or?
also which is the laser disc type that has the separate music track? has
anyone heard anything yet about Oasis on laser disc or on CD????
Thanks to the person (Tom W was it you?) who posted the number for alcazar
music in reply to my _Rumpelstiltskin_ query.... I ordered the video and a
voice-over cassette (the one with what's her name reading) sadly they were
out of CDs and especially CDs/tapes of the TD-music only version.
Now if I could just find the TD music-only version of Rumpelstiltskin, I
would be happy-- Any suggestions dreamers? (well, OK, my happiness
depends on finding the man inside and quinoa too but that would probably be
pushing it...)
finally I was under the impression that KS' 'Timewind' was not
available... and then, lo and behold, I walk into Tower (or was it HMV?)
in harvard square looking for td sbms and what do I find but
'timewind'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unfortunately it WAS the only copy they
had. I love this album/cd this is, for me, one of KS's greatest works
(along with mirage). I also bought trancefer since some of you spoke
highly about it but, sadly, was not impressed (I didn't dislike it but it
isn't moondawn or timewind or X or Live either....).
Lars
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 12:57
pm
Subject: RE: The Prog box
Really-From: John Battema
Hi there;
I have the Supernatural Fairytales box as well, and I'd have to agree about
having little TD-style content (although the Seventh Wave track on disc 5 has
some nice synth work).
However, there's another recent box put out by Cleopatra called Space Box which
has a bit more of the Krautrock. There's two Cluster tracks (well, one Cluster
and one Kluster), a Conrad Schnitzler track (joy!), and a Brain track not from
their Access and Amplify CD. It's a 3-CD set, and I picked it up for less than
$30.
I don't always keep up with my mail, so if this is old news, sorry (oops).
adios
john b
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From: tadream mailing list[SMTP:tadream@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 1997 8:47 AM
To: tadream@c...
Subject: The Prog box
Really-From: 'Jonathan Block'
Andrew J. Rozsa wrote:
>>So, other than 'Searching' recorded ca. 1970 by Klaus Schulze ('previously
unissued'), 'Der Vierte Kuss' recorded by Ash Ra Tempel also ca. 1970 (and
also hitherto 'unissued'), brief comments by Klaus Schulze and Manuel
Gottsching, superior instruction, and a immensely valuable overview of the
evolution of the kind of music we profess to like, indeed there is little
of interest in this collection.<<<
FYI. Altho listed as such, 'Searching' is not previously unreleased, but is
actually 'The Real McCoy' from disc 10 of the Historic Edition
Jonathan
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 6:41
am
Subject: Re: Mail Order CD Shops
Really-From: Rich Maggio
The URL for CD Connection is http://www.cdconnection.com
Enjoy!
Rich Maggio
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: PNaunton@a...
>
> In a message dated 97-02-19 22:34:07 EST, you write:
>
> << I HIGHLY recommend CD Connection.
>
> I hope some of you will benefit from my experience.
>
> Rich Maggio
> >>
>
> I've had problems with CD Europe, too, but nothing like yours.
> Gads!
> BTW, how about a web-address for CD Connection.
>
> Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 1:09
pm
Subject: RE: Shroyder/StarSound
Really-From: John Battema
HI there;
The Star Sounds Orchestra live discs sound -- to me -- like older analog Orb
sans the percussion, with more drones. It's pretty good, but not a
heavy-rotation disc (set).
jpb
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Sent: Thursday, February 20, 1997 5:34 PM
To: tadream@c...
Subject: Shroyder/StarSound
Really-From: Ken Alexander
> Star Sound Orchestra released a 2CD 'live' set in 1995 (or
> 1996) called Inter-Planetary Ambience (if memory serves). I
> quickly snapped it up from a small shop in Aberdeen
Can you (or someone else who has it) describe what this one is like? Thanks.
}
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 6:57
am
Subject: Re: Re Sickening TANGENT-izing
Really-From: Rich Maggio
> in it. I'm tired of the fact that there are upteen 'greatest hits'
> packages for TD--none of which I would recommend to anyone wishing to
> try the band out for the first time. The fact that all of them are
> transparent marketing ploys merely to sell product for one particular
> publisher is what sickens me. A true greatest hits sorta thing would
Maybe I'm an exception, but Tangents is what expanded my TD horizons.
My first exposure to TD were the Private years - Optical Race was
my first exposure, Rockoon my first purchase.
I tried older TD by buying Phaedra, but I hated it - I wasn't 'ready'
for it. I bought Tangents after purchasing White Eagle and Logos.
After hearing material from Rubycon, Stratosfear, and Tangram, I
was ready to brave the waters. I was pleasantly surprised. If it
wasn't for the exposure that I received by Tangents, I'm not sure
I would have plunked down hard earned $$$ on earlier TD. Especially
after having been 'burned' by Phaedra.
Older TD can be overbearing at first. Tangents (IMHO) does a very
good job of taking this material more 'accessible' to newer listeners.
Now that I have all of the CDs featured on Tangents, I still listen
to it. I think it is a nice mix. It isn't a substitute for
the original CDs, but I think it is a good collection. I don't feel
I wasted my money on it at all.
BTW - Phaedra is amongst my favorite TD CDs now.
Rich Maggio
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: (Date Unavailable)
Subject: Another odd time signature
Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i...
Another piece with a funny time signature has just occured to me.
'Grind', from Sorcerer, has a sequencer that counts in 3s whilst
all the keyboards over the top count in 4s. Result: a constant
moving in and out of phase a la the 'phase music' of Steve Reich et
al.
Glynn
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 5:26
pm
Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, timewind
Really-From: David Datta
: Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
: I remember some vague mention a while ago about some Private Music
: compilation with the td track 'oranges don't dream' that is unavailable
: elsewhere.... is this for real? if so, does anyone know anything about
: it? (like title, catalog number, date, price, availability, etc) or does
: anyone have an extra copy?
Oranges Don't Dance is the title of the single and it contains the following
tracks (all are the album versions)
3:13 Optical Race
3:43 Paradise Cove
3:24 All of a Dither
8:17 Marakesh
5:44 Melrose
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 7:07
pm
Subject: D: Tyger
Really-From: Boneheads1@a...
The matching of William Blake's poetry and Tangerine Dream's music is
synergistic. They both have powerful qualities of simplicity, they are
concise and use repetition, variation and rhythm to poignant effect.
I totally agree that the Tyger album is the first four tracks. The
additional material added on the CD versions is an afterthought and stands
alone and apart from the original album. I wish people could still get
introduced to Tyger without the 'bonus tracks', which can afterwards be
appreciated as that.
The song Tyger is one of those strong melodies (like Stuntman) that just
seems to stay with me. It has always been one of my favorite poems.
The rolling synchronization of London supports the vocals without intrusion.
The instrumental bridge in the middle is clear enough to walk across. The
instrumental section at the end takes this simple foundation and blossoms.
Alchemy Of The Heart carries a climax beyond physical limitations. It is one
of the unique TD instrumentals.
It's hard to imagine any other band doing the song 'Smile'. It's as if the
music is bursting from within the poem.
--pause, deep breath, start bonus tracks--
21st Century Common Man could be straight off of the White Eagle 45. Vigour
could be from Lily On The Beach.
The Relativity version of the song Tyger has an interesting rhythm part, but
the original is the one ingrained in my memory. Still, I would like to hear
the Relativity version remastered.
I'll listen to Tyger anytime. When I first got a CD player and looked at
converting my albums to CD, Tyger was one of the first ones got. I don't
know where it came from, but I'm glad that TD is willing to find such fertile
collaboration.
Tim Scallon
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 1:26
pm
Subject: Re: I'm Back!!!!
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 02:08 AM 2/22/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Really-From: James Williams
[...]
>The T-shirt Page is still there and i think can now be accessed without
>any problems on:
>
> http://www.java.cms.livjm.ac.uk/cmsjwil1/tadream.html
Hello, James,
Last time I looked in on y'all there was consensus that an unofficial
official fans' TD T-shirt was going to be created and we would,
eventually, have access to purchasing them. While I am not willing
to repeat my foolishness with Jean Michel Jarre's 'fan' club (ended
up costing me about US$ 80 for a darned T-shirt), I, and am certain
MANY others would love to be able to sport our main music interest.
My last looksee at the T-shirt page revealed designs which, without fail,
would have ALL been acceptable to me. Some were truly outstanding.
So what's the status quo? Dare we hope?
Andrew
(Posted and e-mailed)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 7:25
pm
Subject: Re: Logos CD vs. Logos b**t - LONG POST!
Really-From: slawlor
Hi there. How can I get a copy of this logos tape of the show? Leave me
mail and maybe we can come up with a trade or something.
scott K. Lawlor
http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Feb 22, 1997 8:07
pm
Subject: Oasis soundtrack
Really-From: Gary Struhlik
Does anyone know, if the 'Oasis' soundtrack will be
released on CD or is there only a limited editon on
video tape ?
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 2:25
am
Subject: Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-02-20 17:21:59 EST, you write:
<< You know, if Ed spent half the time on regular TD releases that
he does milking 'new' songs out of old material on his box set scams,
maybe we'd have more than two really good TD efforts in five years!!!
>>
best comment ive read on this list in a while....kudos...
tom w
np: tdream - washington, dc - 4APR77
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 6:53
am
Subject: Re: Mail Order CD Shops
Really-From: PhilPDX@a...
In a message dated 97-02-19 22:34:07 EST, you write:
<< So, in short, if any of you are considering placing an order for CDs
over the internet, I HIGHLY recommend CD Connection.
I hope some of you will benefit from my experience.
Rich Maggio >>
What is their web page address? Thanks.
Phil D.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 6:53
am
Subject: Re: TD before 1983 (was Phaedra)
Really-From: PhilPDX@a...
In a message dated 97-02-21 09:31:07 EST, you write:
<< > after hearing this, I vowed not to buy any TD before 1983!
How did you single out 1983? Since Electronic Meditation was released
waaaay
back in 1970, what made you believe that the band didn't produce anthing
worthy between 1971 and 1983?
>>
I second that.
I hope you aren't serious. TD's best, IMHO, was released between 1973 and
1985, the very best being 1979-1983. (Force Majeure, Tangram, Thief, Exit,
White Eagle, Logos, Hyperborea - awesome, all 4 and 5AS's, mostly 5's.)
Phil D.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 7:22
am
Subject: Re: TD before 1983 (was Phaedra)
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 01:53 AM 2/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: PhilPDX@a...
>
>
>In a message dated 97-02-21 09:31:07 EST, you write:
>
><< > after hearing this, I vowed not to buy any TD before 1983!
>
>
> How did you single out 1983? Since Electronic Meditation was released
>waaaay
> back in 1970, what made you believe that the band didn't produce anthing
> worthy between 1971 and 1983?
Well, that was the the thing, I didn't know. I had no clue. I assumed that
TD had TWO phases and Electronic Meditation was from the first phase. Little
did I know that TD has had at least SIX MAJOR PHASES... So when I bought
Phaedra, all was right in the world again and I immediately started snapping
up stuff like Force Majeure and Logos.
>I hope you aren't serious. TD's best, IMHO, was released between 1973 and
>1985, the very best being 1979-1983. (Force Majeure, Tangram, Thief, Exit,
>White Eagle, Logos, Hyperborea - awesome, all 4 and 5AS's, mostly 5's.)
Indeed, my favorite TDCDs are Logos, Phaedra, and Force Majeure. Tangram,
Thief and Hyperborea are on my purchase list. Honestly, even though TD
played lots of White Eagle during the Logos concert (the concert was 2 hrs),
I am still not all that impressed with it. The last track on the disc is the
only thing I really like on it. The first track is about a 3AS- with me.
Anyone want to respond in private about the relative merits of Exit and
Hyperborea?
Morgan
feldon@n...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 3:05
pm
Subject: 70/90 and Sol Et Luna
Really-From: TheSmitter@a...
Hi,
Are the b**ts 70/90 and Sol Et Luna worth pusuing? I heard 70/90 is a
collection of rare and unreleased tracks. What period does this cover? If too
great a period, does it flow well?
Thanks for the info,
Larry Smith
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 6:17
pm
Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, timewind
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-02-22 06:25:01 EST, you write:
<< Thanks to the person (Tom W was it you?) who posted the number for alcazar
music in reply to my _Rumpelstiltskin_ query.. >>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 6:19
pm
Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, timewind
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-02-22 06:25:01 EST, you write:
<< Thanks to the person (Tom W was it you?) who posted the number for alcazar
music in reply to my _Rumpelstiltskin_ query.. >>
glad to help...regrds, tom w
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 7:15
pm
Subject: D: Tyranny Of Beauty
Really-From: Boneheads1@a...
Tyranny Of Beauty is meant to be played loud. It has more of an 'electronic'
groove than Turn Of The Tides. The synthesizers provide more layers and are
more orchestrated with the guitar & sax.
Zlatko is gone, and so are his tremendous 'rock-jazz fusion' stylings. The
new guitars are perhaps less mainstream, and more treated and blended with
the music. I guess you could say it is more in the old Tangerine Dream
tradition.
The drums are definitely leaning toward the Dream Mixes vein. There are all
types of drums, percussion, tuned percussive sequences, etc. that layer and
syncopate with more layers of thematic melody phrases and a wide variety of
interesting sounds. Dynamically this is an intense album.
The album title suggests an inspired, possessed, even disturbed quality (like
Stratosfear). Artistically it seems to address the will to pursue beauty
over the sacrifice and resistance thereby incurred. As such it is a
brilliant expression.
I think the album is a varied set of musical impressions coming from a band
in transition. The pieces are well balanced with each other, although the
titles and associated imagery may be very different. Stratosfear 1995 and
Largo are perhaps the exceptions. These two pieces structure the set. There
is a lot of music on this album. Really listening to it can be a draining,
enriching experience.
Tim Scallon
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 8:35
pm
Subject: London Glitch (was Re: D:Tyger)
Really-From: dbrewer@a...
To quote my old high school drama teacher, 'Open mouth, insert foot and
chew vigorously!' I apologize for my conjecture, Mark. Of course you know
your CD's better than I do. It was pretty stupid of me to make
assumptions about you and your disc. (rather juvenile as well!)
> Quoted From: Mark Filipak
>
> Dave! Has I dawned on you that you may have something wrong with your
> CD? Just for you and dispite your patronizing, I listened to the guitar
> solo of London
>
> 09:54 - 10:30 -- 1st part of guitar solo
> 11:06 - 11:46 -- 2nd part of guitar solo
> 12:29 - 13:19 -- 3rd part of guitar solo
>
> The only thing I heard that might at all be considered unusual is a 5
> second change of 'lead' from guitar to keyboard and back to guitar at
> 10:12. Is this the 'dropout' you refer to? Was it bridged over (quite
> effectively I might add) on the mastering I have?
Okay, here we go. Here's how my disc behaves:
11:06 -- Guitar solo starts (I personally don't consider the stuff
right before to really be part of the solo, but whatever)
11:31 -- the glitch occurs
11:49 -- the solo stops.
etc...
When I think about it, it seems like the glitch could be in the master,
not the disc, since it sounds like a quick, high pitched squeak. The only
times I've heard a sound like that was whenever I don't do a clean
punch-out and back in between songs when I record a collection of songs
onto tape. So it at least *sounds* like a glitch on an analog master.
>
> Yes we have been through this before, but every time it comes up, it
> gets stooopid. This time, can you give me a time mark at which your
> 'dropout' occurs or are you going to continue to insist it exists and
> I'm just not hearing it?
>
Everytime was just once before... Anyway, I just forgot about it for a
while until someone else mentioned something about it.
> I agree about the intro to 'Alchemy' but I don't agree about hiss and
> pops. I think you just have a bad CD from a bad production run.
>
That is a most reasonable explanation, Mark. I also appreciate the info
on the process of pressing CD's. Believe it or not, in my ignorance I always
thought that unless different master tapes were used, any two copies of a CD
were virtually identical. I see now that is not the case!
So, not all copies of Tyger have this damn glitch on London. This leads
to the biggest head scratcher to me -- why did Edgar edit out that
specific spot on the DRC version of the track? I would assume he'd get
the best quality master possible for the box set, and obviously there is
a better master out there (assuming the glitch is on the master) than the
one used for my copy...
Now we need to put this puppy to bed (quoting the same teacher), except
for the DRC version question (and don't anybody tell me that it is not like
that on their copy, or I'll scream! ;-) ). And if anything like this comes
up again, I'll make damn sure I don't step on any toes before I hit 'Send'.
The last thing I want to do is piss off anyone from this list. I value
the opportunity to correspond with other fans of the best band on the
face of the Earth. I really consider you all good friends of mine.
Humbly,
Dave Brewer
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 8:26
pm
Subject: Re: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . .
Really-From: Piotr Trzcionkowski
> >Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
> >ZONING [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/??
>
> So, Chris 'n' Ed recorded it, but Ed edited Chris' part out???
dir. Ulrich Krenkler
as informs ZEFIV publication.
--
Piotr Trzcionkowski
tel. +48 (0-32) 1-284-907
http://www.cto.us.edu.pl/~trzcionk
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 9:56
pm
Subject: Zoning (was: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . .)
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Per 'Robert Schmenger' Edgar recorded and entirely
new soundtrack for the video that came out in 94. The feature film that
played in Germany in 87 had an entirely different soundtrack and much
supperior to that on the 94 video. Ask Robert for the details as I
don't feel I can post his private mail to me. Regards -- Mark
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Piotr Trzcionkowski
>
> > >Really-From: Mark Filipak
> >
> > >ZONING [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/??
> >
> > So, Chris 'n' Ed recorded it, but Ed edited Chris' part out???
>
> dir. Ulrich Krenkler
>
> as informs ZEFIV publication.
>
> --
> Piotr Trzcionkowski
> tel. +48 (0-32) 1-284-907
> http://www.cto.us.edu.pl/~trzcionk
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Re: Complete tour lists?
Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...>
>>Really-From: m.schaffer@i...
>>> Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner)
>>>
>>> Sure, but John has a pretty complete collection, and he knows that he
>>> can trust my list as well.
>>Right, but that doesn't alter the fact that there are some tapes that
>>_nobody_ has (AFAWK), because they were never recorded. John's point
>>(paraphrased) was that while certain gigs remain unavailable, we can
>>never fully ascertain that _precisely_ the same pattern was followed
>>during a given tour; but we agreed in the end that, for practical
>>purposes, we would assume such.
>>Remember, I agreed with you! I was just playing Devil's Advocate (and
>>also putting John's side of the argument.)
Actually, folks, I think what we finally agreed to list was pretty much what
Klaus has been suggesting all along: not only tracklists for each tour/one-off
show, but a list of known dates for each tour, along with fantape availability,
indicating source (audience or radio) and longest known runtime.
Of course, to try and list EVERY tape and radio appearance (i.e. interviews,
etc.) is a job for another day (or year, one might say). Anyhow, the revised
1992 tracklist that should go up in the next day or two should reflect the full
scope of the project.
>>Personally, I'd rather leave this out - while we stick with concerts
>>only, our remit remains clear. We're not listing every single live
>>and recorded performance ever - that was never the original plan. The
>>point was to provide a record of what was played at each concert, and
>>to that end, listing radio broadcasts doesn't add to the project.
>>Thanks for the interest, though.
Well, I think a recording of every KNOWN radio broadcast of TD live music exists
in fan hands, so we'd be listing this data for each tour, anyway, when we detail
each tour's shows (differentiating, as mentioned, between audience and radio
recordings) so I suppose the point here is moot, no?
Cheers,
John
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 9:56
pm
Subject: Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening -Reply
Really-From: florin epure
>> I know; pretty sickening, isn't it? And remember, boys and girls,
>> Crazy Eddie is the one responsible, while all the while, he doesn't
>> like Silva Screen releasing stuff like THE PARK IS MINE because
he
>> can't TANGENT-ize it. More power to Silva Screen, I say!!! ;) :)
I think Silva Screen has done an excellent job actually giving us the
possibility to hear the master tapes for TPiM, Deadly Care and others.
In my opinion TPiM is one of TD's best soundtracks.Each of these
releases have some good tracks - o.k. not all tracks are excellent but I
really like them as an overall release.
>released barely qualifies as boot quality--and there are some
>better-sounding TD boots than _TPIM_ out there.
Yes but you don' have any boots with TPiM and Deadly Care...
We would have never heard them if it weren't for Slva Sreen.
(Hopefully they'll do some more...)
And about tangentizing:O.K. you can 'tangentize' it, but
don't mix some new sounds on the original sound of a track - either
1.re-record it with all these new amazing instruments or
2.give us the original release -
but don't mix them, please.
And also in case 1, please re-record the whole track not only a 2-3-4
min excerpt or put a part on one cd and another part on another cd.
Florin.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 10:04
pm
Subject: Re: cd release questions -Reply
Really-From: florin epure
> I was looking on cd connection, and I saw zeit, I guess it was
>reissued
>Hi Scott. I have the Castle release of 'Zeit' and it is complete. CD
>Connection can be a good source for CDs and for misinformation. :-)
>Mark
Actually there is I think 1 min - 1 min 30 maybe missing from track 1 &
3 (original double CD Zeit has 76 min total) - the new one has around
74 min (I don't have the exact run-time of the castle release but it is
just a little shorter than the original) - tracks 2 & 4 are integral.
Florin.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 11:09
pm
Subject: The Brick explained
Really-From: Michael A Jean
The Brick is scheduled for OFFICIAL release on the 25th of February. It
is already in a few stores in the Chicago area, but don't get too excited.
It is a Mirimar release that combines all five Grammy Nominated TD albums
at one low price ($35-$40 US): CAnyon Dreams, Rockoon, 220 Volt, Turn of
the Tides, and Tyranny of Beauty. The only thing that might be of
interest is that it includes on offer for a free poster inside. I don't
know what kind of poster it is, because I didn't buy it!
Mike Jean, Chicago
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 10:34
pm
Subject: Re: New release??? 'The Brick'???
Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Greetings all!
The only info I have about 'The Brick' is that it is a multi-CD package
from Miramar. Whadda ya wanna bet it just the Seattle albums repackaged?
goozer
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 10:34
pm
Subject: FEBRUARY FAQ
Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Greetings all!
Sorry about the delay, and about the size of this post. I'm in the middle
of a very bad personal situation, so my attention has been and will
continue to be elsewhere. This is the first time in quite a while that I've
been able to just sit down and 'play'. Also, due to the lateness of this
FAQ, the contest section will not be included. I'll resume it next month,
so get those brain cells ready!
As I mentioned in the first monthly FAQ, I would include all previously
answered FAQ's from that month into the main Monthly FAQ list, with any
corrections or updates incorporated. So forgive the repitition of some of
this as well.
===FEBRUARY FAQ===
===TD LIVE FAQ===
Is it live, or is it Memorex? ALL TD concerts have had at least a little
studio work done to them, ranging from simple master fades to complete
resequencing; some are in fact entirely a studio creation! In order of
appearance:
_RICOCHET_- The live album _Ricochet_ was created by editing and mixing
together Edgar's hotel studio piano solo at the beginning of 'Ricochet pt.
2' with either 40 hrs. of material from various venues from the '75 Europe
Tour, or from the Coventry, Croydon and Reims shows specifically (it
depends on which of the various promotional statements and interviews given
at the time that you hear or read.) In any event, the drums that are
present on the recording are a studio creation added as an embellishment
during the editing stage. It is also possible that the _specific_ shows
mentioned above featured them (I haven't heard 2 of the three...) as
_taped_ accompaniment (you can hear the drums _fade_ in and out of
'Ricochet pt. 1.) Which then brings up the point that Christoph really
_didn't_ put his drums away after _Atem_...
_ENCORE_- The first North American tour from TD in 1977 provided fans with
another wonderful live album, with the added bonus that this time most of
it really was live! Only very minor studio work was performed on the
sequences from the shows (really just edits and fades), as evidenced by
several of the fantapes from the tour (specifically the Santa Monica and DC
dates.) However, the band also decided to use the 'Overture' track from the
_Oedipus Tyrannus_ production, as well as some rehearsal material, to flesh
out the album. Although the recording seems rough (which to my ears just
reinforces the point), this remains the closest thing to a perfect
representation of what a '70's TD concert had to offer.
_PERGAMON_ (A.K.A. _QUICHOTTE_)- While there is basically no difference
between the two shows performed that day (at least as far as I have been
able to determine among all my various fantapes/LP's/CD's of the shows),
they remain unique among the shows from '80. This show was performed
excclusively for the E. Berlin audience (and, of course, whoever was
listening on the radio), despite what some have said about hearing it in
'80, '81 or wherever. The first set (Evening TT: 37:27) opens with
white/pink noise generators and sfx (4:30), and then segues into what was
essentially an edited preview of _Tangram_ (11:20), which had yet to be
released, and then moves into a long sequencer-oriented piece (21:37),
similar to (but _not_ the same as) the second half of the second set
('Quichotte pt.2'). The afternoon version of this set was originally issued
as _Staatsgrenze West_, with part of the wonderful encore track to tease
us.
The second set provided the raw material for _Quichotte_/_Pergamon_. Part
of the contract for TD's performance in E. Berlin was to have it broadcast
by State-run Radio and TV stations, with the stipulations that the album
release be different from the broadcast, and not available on a western
label for 6 years. So what you hear on _Quichotte_ is not really the set as
performed at all; Pt. 1 is essentially the same, with the odd difference
here and there. The 'Maelstrom' link segment between the two parts is
exactly the same. Pt. 2, however, is a studio creation based on ideas of
the last halves of Set 1 and Set 2, with the basic sequencer stucture and
guitar solo being entirely a studio creation. For the re-release as
_Pergamon_, the band simply added a (very) little more to the end of Pt. 2.
There is also a 12 min. encore that is the highlight of the whole show,
IMVHO. Unfortunately, it hasn't appeared on any bootleg in its full
length...yet. ; )
_LOGOS_- This gets the award in the 'Released As Performed' catagory!
_Logos_ is essentialy comprised of the second set from the '82 UK Tour,
plus one of the encores, 'Dominion'. Why I say _essentially_ is due to the
fact that the first 6:45 is an ever-so-slight remix of the first 6:45 of
the actual first set opening, which is in place of the actual second set
opener, 'Mojave Plan - Canyon Part' (and before _anyone_ asks: no, not the
_Tangents_ version; the second half of the _White Eagle_ version!) and a
short linking piece (the terrorists' 'Harbor Entry' music from the film The
Soldier.) This was done so that the entire release would be comprised of
new material only, while retaining most of the integrity of the second set.
As it happens, they could have released set one and achieved the same
result by merely replacing 'Choronzon' with an equivalent segment from set
two; there are an additional 23 minutes from this set that have never been
_officially_ released! The boot CD-R _Logotypes_ does contain this
material, though.
_POLAND_- This gets the second runner-up award in the 'Released As
Performed' (only because _Encore_ came out first!) This CD (make sure you
get the Relativity 2 CD set!) is _this close_ to being a truly accurate
representation of the '83 Poland Tour, and the Warsaw Concert specifically.
The changes in the material from the show to the disc were done for two
reasons: sound quality limitations of vinyl meant reducing the lenghth of
some of the segments, and the power kept going out during the concert!
About 8 minutes was edited from 'Poland' alone! However, the essence of the
concert remains on the official release, as the edited material was just
extensions of the themes and some of the bridge material.
_LIVEMILES_- More like _Studiomiles_! I know what the liner notes say. I
know what the Official Homepage says. But I also know that what my own ears
are telling me is quite a different thing! Having been present at the
Alberquerque concert, and in possesion of a fantape of said show, I can
unequivocally state with absolute accuracy that _not_one_single_bit_ of
'Livemiles: Alberquerque' was performed at that concert! It has _got_ to be
a studio session! Either that or the soundcheck was _really_ something! If
you have the _Sonambulistic Imagery_ boot, then you essentially know the
entire tour program, including the Alberquerque show. The only real
differences were in the guitar solos. Although for some dates, 'Dominion'
replaced 'Bois de Boulogne'
As for 'Livemiles: Berlin', it, too, is not what it seems. This was a
special concert contracted by the City of Berlin for the 750th anniversary
celebration, which holds the performance rights to this concert. The
concert was performed on Aug. 1, '87, and eventually broadcast on Oct. 22
that same year, after some _slight_ studio work was done to it. In order to
release it for _Livemiles_, however, the band had to completely reperform
the material chosen for the CD, due to the contract with the city. The
opening track, 'Sunnyvale', is pretty faithful to the concert version, with
just some minor voiceing changes. Ditto the second track, 'Caspian Sea'.
However, the last track, 'Dolphin Dance', is a totally different version of
what was performed. The version as played in the concert was the same
version as the '86 UK/US Tours. This entire concert can be found on the
boots _Antarktis_/_20th Century Serenades_ in absolutely great quality.
_220 VOLT LIVE_- This disc captures the essence of the '92 Tour quite well.
In the original press releases for _220_, it was stated that there would be
_78_ minutes of never before released music on the disc. Indeed, there were
eleven new tracks, approximately 78 minutes of new music, performed on the
tour, minus all the bridges and links, of course. But by the time it was
finally released, it lost two tracks and over 5 minutes! Nine of the eleven
new tracks are present, the exceptions being 'Opening' [4:32] (the opening
of the set 1) and 'Story of the Brave' [3:40] (the opening of set 2). Those
tracks are replaced by 'Treasure of Innocence' [3:41], a studio track.
Since the disc clocks in at 72:42, you can do the math and come to a
reasonable hypothesis to explain the _how_ of the difference, but not the
_why_. As of this writing, I still don't know. The individual tracks are
basically as performed (only the guitar and sax parts varied slightly from
show to show, but not by much!), but the order of the songs was changed.
And of course that necessitated new bridge music for the resequences. There
is a rumoured boot of the entire Ventura show, called _Electric Rockoon_,
but it seems not to have been released yet.
===END LIVE FAQ===
===RISKY BUSINESS===
Much has been made over the relatively small amount of music for what was
essentially a B-grade summer teen-flick. Add to this the fact that out of
30 minutes of TD music in the film, less than 10 minutes of _totally
original_ music appear both on screen and on disc. The rest of the material
are merely extracts from _Force Majure_, _Tangram_ (not included on any
release), the song 'Sobornost' ('Replacing the Furniture') and _Exit_, with
new intros or instrument tracks. And yet, 'Love On A Real Train' has become
somewhat of a signature song for TD, as well as a fan favorite. In fact,
this song has a number of unique distinctions: there are _4_ different
official versions (including the film version); it has been remade in new
versions for at least 3 other films (see below); and it has been performed
live on at least _4_ different tours!
Below is a chart which lists all of the music material from _Risky
Business_ that has been released to date. All track times are taken from
the original sources; in the case of the analog sources, a stopwatch was
used. The asterisks denote different versions of the same track; all
versions were played in A-B comparative sequence as well as simultaneous
sequence to determine any differences beyond simple fades. This should help
to clear up some of the confusion caused by erroneous information
(hopefully just simple typos!) in 'Voices In The Dunes':
Track Times:RBAK USLP UKCD DS T
Song Title:
The Dream Is Always The Same ---- *2:29 3:45 3:42 3:28
No Future (Get Off The Babysitter) *1:21 1:56 2:00 ---- ----
Guido The Killer Pimp *3:04 4:20 4:21 ---- ----
Lana *1:46 3:53 3:54 ---- ----
Love On A Real Train (Risky Business) *3:08 *2:21 3:59 3:58 *5:10
Porche Plunge I :30 ---- ---- ---- ----
Porche Plunge II :24 ---- ---- ---- ----
Cathing The Egg :11 ---- ---- ---- ----
Replacing the Furniture :57 ---- ---- ---- ----
If it is not asterisked, then it is not a different version. The
differences in running times are due to differing mastering procedures
between the US and UK. There is also no difference in sound quality,
contrary to what you may have heard. In the case of the song 'The Dream Is
Always The Same', the _Tangents_ version simply fades the last 17 seconds
off of the song, it has not been otherwise altered. The differences in the
RBAK versions of 'No Future', 'Guido...' and 'Lana' with the official
versions is that the new intros to these old tracks have been removed or
drastically shortened. There was also a 7' release of 'Love On A Real
Train', but it is the same as the US LP version.
++And now for the 'Risky Mixes'! ; )
The following are alternate takes of 'Love On A Real Train' that the band
has done for the indicated films:
'Go To The Head Of The Class'-3 O'Clock High [3:12]
'Bonding By Candlelight'-3 O'Clock High (Simply half of the above track) [1:35]
'Running Out Of Time'-Miracle Mile (a very nice take on the song) [3:31]
'Taking The Test'-Catch Me If You Can (A truly _remixed_ version!) [1:30]
There are others, to be sure, but they have not appeared on any release to date.
++Live, baby, live! ; )
Once again, 'Love On A Real Train' has been part of four different concert
programs, as follows; '83 Polish Tour, '87 Berlin 750th Anniversary
Concert, '90 UK Tour, and '92 North American Tour. It may also have been
featured in the one-off Mill Valley Film Festival concert of Nov. 15, 1986,
I am awaiting a tape of the show to confirm this. The track times are:
'Poland' ('Love On A Polish Train' remix) [8:40] from _Poland_
(Before anyone gets in a huff, the hi-hat and synth-flute rhytym tracks are
identical, as well as the synth-horn melody; do your own cross fade to
prove it! Fade in at 2:49 and fade out at 11:29)
'Love On A Real Train' ('Berlin Reichstag Station') [2:42] from _Antarktis_
'Love On A Real Train' ('Bristol Station') [2:49] from _In Den Garten Pharoas_
'Love On A Real Train' ('Seattle Station') [2:42] from _Three Phase_
And I'm sure more to come!
++Imitation being the sincerest form of theft! ; )
Special mention needs to be given to Global Communication for their
brilliant version of 'LOART' on the equally brilliant CD _76:14_. GC's
version is comprised of two consecutive tracks: 8 07 and 5 23. This disc is
out of print in the US, and extremely hard to find anywhere else! But it is
very highly recommended!
===END RISKY BUSINESS FAQ===
===THIEF===
Here's some background info on the differences between the US and UK/Int.
versions of _Thief_.
The song 'Confrontation' on the US LP version was composed and performed by
Craig Safan, a hollywood session musician/composer. Believe it or not,
Michael Mann played additional guitar on this track! The reason for the
commision of this track was that during final editing, Mr. Mann wanted a
new sequence underneath the ending instead of what TD had already composed.
Of course, he asked them to provide one, but they were on tour in Italy and
could not get into a studio in time. So Mr. Safan was brought in to do the
track. BTW, for trying to copy TD's sound, he did a pretty good job of
imitating Pink Floyd! Play 'Comfortably numb' and you'll understand...
Also, the acoustic drum track on 'Beach Theme', as well as its editing (the
original, film version is 'Beach Scene'), was done at the request of the
record company (WEA), in order to produce a 'hit' single! As of this
writing, I have still been unable to discover the musicians' name who
performed the drum track. As for the different releases, just another
example of 'Stupid Record Company Tricks'! The US label, Elektra (WEA), and
the film studio, United Artists, wanted to keep 'Confrontation' on the
soundtrack album. TD managed to get Virgin to substitute the full, original
version of 'Beach Scene' in its place for the international release. Why
'Beach Theme' remained, however, is a complete mystery.
And finally, the promo 12' issued by WEA features an extended version of
'Dr. Destructo' (4:20), and an edit of 'Diamond Diary' (4:17). The
extension of 'Dr. Destucto' was achieved by merely looping the last 1/3 of
the track once, and allowing the fade out to continue for an additional 20
seconds, where only the rhytym (percussion) track is heard. This track also
appears on the boot _Mystery Tracks_, unfortunately, the extra fade is
itself faded out.
===END THIEF FAQ===
===END FAQ===
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 10:49
pm
Subject: Re: Zeit (was: CD release questions-Reply)
Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Greetings all!
>Actually there is I think 1 min - 1 min 30 maybe missing from track 1 &
>3 (original double CD Zeit has 76 min total) - the new one has around
>74 min (I don't have the exact run-time of the castle release but it is
>just a little shorter than the original) - tracks 2 & 4 are integral.
Incorrect. Both the Relativity 2CD set and the Castle remaster contain the
full music program. I am listening to the Castle version as I type this
(ahhhhhhhhh..........) Here are the track times for both:
'Birth of Liquid Plejades'- (R) 19:57 (C) 19:54
'Nebulous Dawn'- (R) 17:56 (C) 17:56
'Origin of Supernatural Probabilities'- (R) 19:37 (C) 19:35
'Zeit'- (R) 17:01 (C) 16:58
The small timing differences are due to the different mastering procedures
used by the respective labels. No music material is missing.
goozer
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Feb 23, 1997 11:58
pm
Subject: digest back numbers
Really-From: rch@g...
Can anyone let me know how to get hold of the FAQ for this list please?
Also, is there any place where digest back numbers can retrieved from?
Thanks
Richard
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 4:36
am
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #843
Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:17:52 -0500
>Subject: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, timewind
>
>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>dreamers:
>
>We were talking about the UK version of TOB that has the bonus track
>'Quasar' (the AMP and TDI releases); I've also learned that this is the
>case with TOTT and the bonus track 'Story of the Brave' which is also
>available on the UK cd (TDI release)-- whereas us poor souls in the US (&
>Canada and Mexico too??) have to shell out for the CD5 in order to get the
>bonus tracks (do those on The Continent also have to shell out for the
>singles too?)
>
> I've seen the TOTT CD5 in at least two editions and think it is marginally
>available but with Quasar, only those lucky enough to have found one of
>the few copies of the TOB promo CD5 have it.
>
>I suppose that what is our loss (in north america) on one hand will also be
>our gain as these singles slowly creep up in price (I have already seen
>some of them advertised as low as $5 and as high as $25 and $50--admittedly
>a LITTLE TOO HIGH). Am I right in assuming that these singles weren't
>released in the UK because of the full-length cds? Can anyone confirm?
>Were the Dreamtime and Rockoon singles released in the UK or just US/NA???
>Does anyone know the sizes of the releases of the miramar singles??
The CD singles from the albums were released by Miramar only in the U.S. I
believe it was a distributor who shifted some of the production run to
specialized outlets in Europe. Most singles were btween 1,000 to 2,000
copies. The promotional only CD single was probably about 500.
>Even though these aren't the most popular albums, is there anyone in north
>america who is interested in acquiring the 'full-length' UK versions of
>these CDs (TOTT & TOB)--with the bonus tracks?? For that matter, does
>anyone want any of the legit releases that are difficult to buy in the
>states but widely available in the UK, like Shy People--which I think is
>one of their best soundtracks--or dead solid perfect or the various covers
>of any release or .....
>If so, please E-mail me privately at 105411.3107@c...
>
>I remember some vague mention a while ago about some Private Music
>compilation with the td track 'oranges don't dream' that is unavailable
>elsewhere.... is this for real? if so, does anyone know anything about
>it? (like title, catalog number, date, price, availability, etc) or does
>anyone have an extra copy?
Oranges don't Dance was a Private Music Europe promo CD sampler with nothing
special on it.
>I recently got the miramar video that was 'free' (for $5 s&h) for buying
>the miramar 10 cd compilation It's actually not bad at all but not nearly
>as good as true north which I really like alot. But watching this made me
>wonder about the videos TD has released or been 'married' to (NOT films,
>but things like canyon dreams, oasis, the dance mix videos--whenever it
>comes out!--true north and ..... what else??) does anyone have a complete
>list of their music videos that could be posted to the list?? are they all
>from the 'seattle years'? or are some from the 'melrose Years' also? or?
>also which is the laser disc type that has the separate music track? has
>anyone heard anything yet about Oasis on laser disc or on CD????
Oasis is coming on laserdisc. The release date has not been set yet. I
expect the release to be distributed by Image Entertainment.
CHEERS...Matt Hargreaves
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 10:31
am
Subject: 70-80 box set -- 6 (SIX) unreleased tracks!
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Dreamers,
We've recently heard discussion of the 70-80 box set and that there were 3
previously unreleased tracks in this release (BB,C&C, HH) plus the
re-release of the 45rpm single 'monolight' . While this is true, however,
I think there are 2 other important releases unavailable elsewhere on the
70-80 set that this discussion has neglected to mention...
These 2 tracks are (on the same side as monolight, ifi'm not mistaken) the
remixes from Encore (the first three tracks only but not coldwater canyon).
I'm in london now and obviously don't have my 70-80 set with me so I
can't verify this but I recently looked at them (sadly I have not listened
to them in at least 12 years since I have no turntable) and the label does
say something like 'remixed by Edgar Froese' since both tracks (about 20
minutes combined total time) are contained on one side of one album disc,
they are substantially shorter than the encore releases.
I would like to hear how these sound--which is part of the reason I want to
get 70-80 transfered to a CDR.
Can anyone with this set in hand please verify these tracks and times and
PLEASE give a brief review/discussion of them??? I don't think these 2
tracks appear on any bootleg/pirate release either .... (what is on the
70/90 release???)
I think these tracks are the first time Edgar
remixed/re-engineered/tangentized any TD material and so are quite
important from that perspective as well as being works that should stand in
their own right.
lars
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 10:31
am
Subject: tangents & promo disc
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>> Not commercially, but there was a US promo that was indeed a
>>TANGENTS Greatest Hits sorta deal. I have a copy.
>Damn! if you don't mind me asking you to sit down and write out the
>tracklist, if it's not too much trouble.
While I can't fill your request (since regrettably I don't have it with
me), I can vouch that this is indeed a great promo release/ best of
tangents and worth having. the trouble is that it will cost you around
$50!!!!!! to get it (plus postage!)
if you want it, try:
www.vinylvendors.com
or espiritmailorder (whose URL I don't have with me...) they might be at
www.espirit_mailorder.com ... or something like that
--can anyone list their URL for those who wish to find this promo please?
Both places had copies in stock in january when I order a copy from each
place. vinylvendors (in LA) was a little slow (about 3-4 weeks to receive)
but it did arrive and I have no complaints with them. my espirit order was
sent very very promptly (considering it had to come from the UK to the US)
and reached me in about 10days or less!
I know it is big bucks for one disc, but if you HAVE to own anything like
this, you must have this!!!!!!
>Subject: D: Tangent (was: Re: Re Sickening TANGENT-izing)
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
[...]
>I think Steve and those who hold his views on 'Tangents' are missing
>the point entirely. What I wish they'd do is stop whining about it.
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
PERSONAL FOUL! fifteen yard penalty
What you call 'whining' is one of the things this list is about; People
have different views on a subject tangents and all are equally valid and
all have a right to be expressed here. I think the point being made by
steve and others (that EF and the record cos are wasting time and energy
reselling repackaged and remixed stuff to their loyal fans as a purely
commerical ploy to wrench more $$ from our empty pockets) is a totally
valid point; beyond that, whether we personally like or dislike any td
release is also a totally valid point, not whining (I know many dreamers
hate tangents because the original stuff was altered, hacked up into little
bits and often doesn't sound like the originals). I also agree that there
is at least one other side to tangents, which is that the remixes are works
in their right and thus do have artistic merit. could it be that both
points are valid? Perhaps that is where Edgar stands, Knowing compilation
releases are inevitable at least he is putting some effort into giving
people something new and different. true they don't have to buy or keep
it, but I'd rather have tangents as it is than a 4 disk best of td set with
the original recordings -- hell, I can do that on tape for $5!
lars
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tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 10:31
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Subject: d: solo list
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
With regard to the D:solo list, a few comments.:
1) Vic has convinced me that an alpha artist list and a chrono release
order would be best--so if there are no objections, let's do it the way vic
suggested but let's make sure Schroyder/SSO is included with a one week
discussion since several people have mentioned them and I would love to
hear what they have to say
2) at the moment, my net access is somewhat (unexpectedly) limited so it
might be better if Vic takes on th d:solo list responsibility (presuming
you are still willing, Vic)
3) I don't think that Froese's 'electronic dreams' should be discussed
separately since what's important is the reversed track from EIMP (marouba
bay) which could be covered in the week we discuss EIMP. I agree with Steve
F that marouba bay should be treated as a work in its own right but I don't
think ED should be treated in a week by itself. I think the point is to
reduce redundancies in our d:list discussion (remember steve you don't read
the d:list stuff anyway! :-). I don't object to adding EF's 'solo 74-79'
for the remixes if others don't; in the same way BTS should be included and
its remixes discussed as well as new tracks. As far as the debated solo
works (eg baumann/koek, enchanting nature...) let's include them if there
is some interest in doing so, otherwise let's delete them. Things like
'enchanting nature' (with only 4 new tracks added to a PCH remix) could be
combined with PCH in the dicussion for 1 week, how do other people feel
about this???
lars
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tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 10:31
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Subject: d:list/what's next/more suggestions
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Dreamers,
Well, our 'what's next' discussion has really opened up a can of worms....
this is really good I think... I think the D:solo list is pretty much
hammered out So let's go ahead and blow the td d:list addendum discussion
WIDE OPEN. Here are my next suggestions for debate:
1. Let's make this d:list addendum into a short d:list part 2 and, since we
really haven't addressed the issue of the singles and odd-ball releases (I
did include the SB cd in my suggested addendum), let's also talk about them
at this time. I know this seems problematic but I have made some
suggestions for this below that addresses this issue succintly...
2. we should add some of the compilations (in alpha order) mentioned by
Steve F. et al (that is, those with new tracks and/or new remixes) to the
TD addendum list by scott (sorry scott, all of this means rearranging the
dates). I think 'just cause' has been shown that we should discuss the
comps that contain a significant quantity of new material and/or
substantial remixing. I would clarify this by saying that we spend only 1
week on each release-- but not 5 weeks on tangents[/drc] as Mark F
suggested (as you can see Mark, I'm NOT ignoring you! :-) we should be open
to the desires of everyone on this list, not just a 'majority' of the most
vocal). it's time we admitted Tangents and DRC deserve to be considered as
novel releases in their own right and included them in the D:list
discussion
3. The one point we should still debate, then, is whether we want this TD
addendum to follow the TD D:list (as scott and I have suggested) or whether
it should follow the D:solo list or part of it (as Vic has suggested).
Since this addendum is going to be quite lengthy, it will push the d:solo
discussion back about 10-12 weeks. I think some people are itching to get
to the solo works and I would be willing to yield to those folks if others
also agree (I hope I don't sound dictatorial here--I think we should do
whatever you all want!). I know others are itching to get to the boots too
but I think we should address all of the legitimate releases first.
Considering the new TD releases in the pipeline, this would support placing
the d:list addendum at the end of the d:solo discussions so that they too
could be included. Of course there will always be more TD releases in the
pipeline (en shah allah/ in boca lupo/god willing...!!!!) and so always the
potential for d:list addenda.
Please glance over my suggestions below and send in your votes; we still
have several weeks to reach a consensus on this issue.
Taking the pertinent parts of Steve F's list (see also my comments at the
end) and combining with the previous d:list addendum and my suggestions for
the singles and other things, we have would currently have a D:list
addendum that looks like this:
D:LIST ADDENDUM, part I: the remaining releases
WEEK 1) '70-'80 box set (4 non-LP tracks **+ remixes!**) (using the
'numbers first' format which placed 220VL first on the D:list) primarily
the 6-7 otherwise unreleased tracks but any aspect is open to debate
WEEK 2) Dream Roots Collection: (primarily Disc 5; but any aspect of the
DRC is open for discussion)
WEEK 3) Goblin's Club
WEEK 4) Oasis (who knows, by the time this comes up, it might be finally be
out on cd!)
WEEK 5) Rumpelstiltskin
WEEK 6) Tangents (Primarily Disc 5, but any aspect of tangents would be
open for discussion)
WEEK 7) Three Phase -- true, some of this stuff is on 220 VL and elsewhere
but there are other things which aren't, like the new Phaedra version
(sorry I don't have 3-phase with me so I can't cross check it all with
220VL) I really think we should add this one to the list and treat it as a
release in its own right. why there hasn't been a cd boot of this i'll
never know...
WEEK 8) Other compiliations/etc 'OPEN WEEK' discussion
This week would be used for discussing compilations not previously
discussed and those which don't present new material but worthy in their
own right because of editing or track selection (but not remixings or those
which include new releases such Private Music of TD--see below) or
whatever; this would include things like 'Dream Sequence', etc.
D:LIST ADDENDUM, part II: the Singles
This is the part of the D:list where we could address the singles and the
other 'odd ball'/bonus track releases such as 'Roaring of the Bliss' and
'Beavertown' not available on standard releases already discussed on the
d:list. Since I don't have web access at the moment and don't have a
discography on my computer (combined with my severe memory loss:-) this
'unique' singles list is not complete so maybe someone could fill it in for
me. I don't think we need to spend a week on EACH single and think that
they can be lumped together by era as I have done. What I think (again all
of this is IMOHO) is that we should address only those 'unique' tracks not
available elsewhere/not on the regular releases. Additionally, MAYBE WE
COULD HAVE A VOLUNTEER EACH WEEK TO LIST ALL OF THE SINGLES FROM THAT
PARTICULAR ERA whether objects of dicussion or not; it wouldn't have to be
a major discography if you didn't feel like it but just a comprehensive
list would be nice. Again there are a lot of us who don't have/have no
access to/can't find/can't afford 'Voices in the Dunes' and are relying on
the expertise of you 'old timers' to help us out here. I think this is
what the list is all about, sharing our experiences and knowledge so that
ALL might profit from it.
Again, this list is not complete (but you get the idea) as to those unique
releases we should dicuss so any advice would be appreciated; we should
discuss them in chronological order but I have not listed them that way,
only as they came to my mind so please feel free to correct me!
WEEK 9) The Singles etc. Part I: the Ones, the Pink and the Virgin years
(NB, if this gets toooo long, we may have to split out the Virgin years
separately)
Lady Green Grass/Love of Mine
Ultima Thule
Monolight
Ozillator Planet Concert
Tatort/Das Madchen auf der Treppe
WEEK 10) The Singles etc. Part II: the Blue Years
A Time for Heroes
LA Streethawk EP
Dolphin Dance/Smile
Poland Rare Bird/Warsaw in the Sun (this is debatable)
Dr Destructo (date?)
Alexander Square EP version
WEEK 11) The Singles etc. Part III: the Melrose Years
Oranges Don't Dance ?
The Private Music of Tangerine Dream (Roaring of the Bliss & Beavertown)
House of the Rising Sun
One Night in Medina
I Just Want to Live My Own Life ....
WEEK 12) The Singles etc. Part IV:The Seattle Years to the Present
Dreamtime CD5
Rockoon CD5
TOB/Quasar (I know this was on UK release but elsewhere? it is unavailable)
TOTT/Story of the Brave (ditto the above)
Shepherd's Bush CD5
Like I said, I know there is a lot more but memory fails me!
>other comments:
>BOOK OF DREAMS ([Essential Records] 2 CDs; all are Virgin remixes)
--I don't have this with me in london, are the remixes by Edgar or are they
by Virgin??? I think they're by edgar, right? if they are by edgar, then
we should think about including them, if not by edgar, then we should not
include them.
>IN THE BEGINNING (6-Record Set) (first pressing of GREEN DESERT)
> In 1986, this set had one all-new record--since GREEN DESERT first
>appeared as the 6th record of this set: not on its own.
--no need to discuss this since this point was made by me and others during
D:GD week
>95 THE DREAM MIXES ([Miramar] 6 remixes & 4 all-new tracks)
>These 'remixes' are pretty much new songs rather than remixes,
>and then four of the tracks are brand-new.
>96 [UK:] THE DREAM MIXES (UK vers. of the 1995 release; has a 2nd disk)
>Like the case with THE DREAM MIXES, some tracks here are more like
different songs >than TANGENTS-esque reworkings. Two remixes of THE DREAM
MIXES tracks, and then >two tracks that appear nowhere else: 'Iowa' and
'Sojus.'
--no need to discuss since these two releases were treated during their own
D:list week;
ciao,
lars
np: you don't want to know and I don't want to admit it... but it ain't td
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 12:43
pm
Subject: TRACKLIST: NA tour 1992
Really-From: m.schaffer@i...
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, another track listing, and yes, I
know we've had this one before, but this time we're not going to include
Canada in the US (are we, John?) plus the concert list is (AFAWK) complete.
John Burek and Mark Schaffer
-----------------------------------------------
1992 North American tour (Rockoon)
Set one
1) Waterborne
2) Touchwood
3) Rolling Down Cahuenga
4) Blue Bridge
5) Oriental Haze
6) Graffiti Street
7) Melrose
8) Two Bunch Palms
9) 220 Volt
10) Homeless
Set two
11) Story of the Brave
12) Sundance Kid
13) Girls on Broadway
14) Love on a Real Train
15) Back Street Hero
16) Body Corporate
17) Rockoon
Encores
18) One Night in Medina
19) Hamlet, leading into.....
20) Dreamtime
21) Purple Haze
NOTES:
1) Only approximately the first half of 'Waterborne' was played live; after
the first two minutes, the song diverged into a guitar melody not on the
official release.
11) Only approximately the first half of the CD-single version of 'Story of
the Brave' was played live; after the first several minutes, the song gave
way to 'Sundance Kid.'
Tour Summary
Fan
Date Venue tape? Type(s) LKR
04.10.92 Toronto Music Hall Yes AU 61 min.
05.10.92 Montreal Wilfred Peltier Yes AU 120 min.
06.10.92 Quebec Le Grand Theatre No -- --
07.10.92 New Britain 'The Sting' No -- --
08.10.92 Boston Berklee Yes AU 120 min.
Performance Center
09.10.92 New York City Beacon Theater Yes AU 110 min.
10.10.92 Philadelphia/Upper Darby Yes AU 120 min.
Tower Theater
13.10.92 Washington D.C. Yes AU 120 min.
Lisner Auditorium
14.10.92 Columbus Palace Theater Yes AU 120 min.
15.10.92 Baltimore Johns Hopkins Yes AU, 124 min.
Shriver Hall FV 110 min.
16.10.92 Highland Hgts./Cleveland Yes AU 120 min.
Front Row
17.10.92 Chicago Old Vic Theater Yes AU 120 min.
18.10.92 Minneapolis Orpheum No -- --
20.10.92 Detroit Fox Theater Yes AU, 132 min.
FV 13 min.
22.10.92 Denver Paramount Theater No -- --
24.10.92 Portland Intermediate Theater No -- --
25.10.92 Seattle Paramount Theater No -- --
27.10.92 San Francisco Warfield Theater No -- --
28.10.92 San Juan-Capistrano Yes AU 120 min.
Coach House
29.10.92 Scottsdale Mall Amphitheater No -- --
30.10.92 Los Angeles Wiltern Theater Yes FV 115 min.
01.11.92 Ventura Ventura Theater Yes AU 120 min.
AU = audience audio recording; FV = fan video recording; LKR = longest known
running time
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 1:37
pm
Subject: RE: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . .
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> Films And Videos To Which Tangerine Dream Has Contributed
>=================================================================
I had a few qustions about this list. I looked in the Internet Movie
Database (http://us.imdb.com) and found that 'Single Man' was a silent
film from 1929! Was there a re-release of this with a modern soundtrack
or is it a different film? Same thing wih 'Forbidden' but it was from
1919.
I also looked in Leonard Maltin's Film Guide and found that 'Vampira'
was from 1974. Does this really have a TD soundtrack?
Scott
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 2:19
pm
Subject: Re: d: solo list
Really-From: Vic Rek
>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>2) at the moment, my net access is somewhat (unexpectedly) limited so it
>might be better if Vic takes on th d:solo list responsibility (presuming
>you are still willing, Vic)
>
OK, I can post the discussion list. We'll also include one week on Steve
Schroyder, but if we do this, we should allow 1 week for the other 'SCH..'
guys, that is:
1. Conrad Schnitzler
2. Steve Schroyder
3. Klaus Schulze
(Schmoelling is already included)
I know some may disagree with this, but we will allow a 1 week 'free for
all' discussion on each of these artists. Could be interesting?
>
Now about the addendum discussions that Lars mentioned.
I can go along with weeks 1-8, that is:
1. '70-'80
2. Dream Roots Collection
3. Goblins's Club (even though this was reviewed extensively when it came out)
4. Other Compilations/sampler free for all
5. Rumpelstiltskin
6. Tangents
7. Three Phase Video (I'm not sure about this)
8. Oasis (made this last so people can get the video or wait for the CD)
About the singles,
I have mixed opinions on this. I feel we should wait on this until after
the solo releases have been discussed. It would be great to get more input
on this.
Vic
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 2:19
pm
Subject: Re: tangents & promo disc
Really-From: Vic Rek
> Not commercially, but there was a US promo that was indeed a
>TANGENTS Greatest Hits sorta deal. I have a copy.
>
By the way, it comes in two colors. The majority (as I hear) are printed in
white, but some discs are printed in green. Somebody said that the green
might be a pirate, but I doubt it. Anybody else know anything about this
release?
Vic
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Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 3:28
pm
Subject: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
17-Feb-1997
Tangerine Dream
'Tyranny Of Beauty'
Published - 1995
Purchased - 1995
Format - CD
Label - Miramar
Catalog - 09006-23046-2
Personnel - Froese, Froese, Spa, Gradwool, Hornby
Don't ask me why, but when I began to think about this recording, a
very old, possibly ancient, New Yorker cartoon popped into my head. There is
a picture of a man sitting at a table in a restaurant, and he is eating a
boiled egg out of its shell. Next to him is the waiter who has obviously just
asked if everything was acceptable. The patron has turned to the waiter and
says, 'The egg? Oh, parts of it are delicious.' To me this is the epitome of
'Tyranny Of Beauty' - - parts of it are 'delicious', but it seems ridiculous
to say that because is should fall together more effortlessly. Instead it
appears more of a collection of bits and pieces which never fit together
properly. There seems to be a core of an idea, a theme, an image, perhaps.
It's almost as if the thought of continuity was important at the beginning,
but was abruptly tossed aside when it obviously was not going anywhere. Then
'ToB' turned into just a collection of tunes, many of them having no relation
to the others at all. 'Stratosfear 1995'? 'Largo'?(A funeral march for
Kenny G?),but I digress.
On the opening of 'Catwalk', after the introduction of chorus-like
voices and shortly before the tune really gets going, there is a strange
sound; a heavily distorted jangle of noise which sweeps back and forth
between the speakers momentarily, before vanishing as suddenly as it emerged.
It sounds like a mistake, but I really don't think so. It doesn't fit in
the mix, in my opinion. It shows up later in the track, too. Aside from
this aberration, I like this tune.
Track two, three, and four are nothing special, in my opinion,
having similarities to alot of 'New Age' material I've heard in the
supermarket. (It's actually alot better than this stuff, but lends itself to
the comparison.) 'LBitPoA' has a better rendition on 'Dream Mixes'.
'Stratosfear 1995' is a pretty good cover, but, taken on its own
terms, it does not have the endearing qualities of the original. I like it, I
suppose, because it takes me back a ways.
'Bride In Cold Tears' - - I may be sorely mistaken, but this seems
like a preview of 'Dream Mixes'. There are alot of DJ type interjections in
this tune; a smattering of freely spewed samples to spice up the mix. This
seems to be a Jeromeo signature. None-the-less, there is something I like
about this tune.
Skip 'Haze Of Fame'.
Skip 'Tyranny Of Beauty'.
Skip 'Largo'.
These last three impress me as being too indulgent, too morbid, too
boring. They just sit there like puddles. They don't start anywhere, don't
develop, don't go anywhere.
So, three (GOOD TRACKS) out of nine isn't bad. Definitely not
memorable, though.
Phil Naunton
P.S. Lisa Gerrard, from Dead Can Dance, on her solo album, 'The Mirror Pool',
does a much better job on 'Largo'. Give it a listen if you can find it.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: TANGENTS Promo CD Particulars
Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Anal-retentive-at-large'
o There is no front insert.
o Sheet in back of jewel case is white with grey (pseudo-silver
lettering. There is a vague computerized design like on the
LILY ON THE BEACH cover.
o Disc is whitish light-gray and the lettering (and everything
else) is silver, i.e. clear.
The information on the actual disc reads:
+ - - - - - - - - +
| TANGERINE DREAM | DPRO-14221
+ - - - - - - - - +
Virgin Compact
Disc
Digital Audio
1. White Eagle 4:14
2. Cloudburst Flight 7:13
3. Hyperborea 8:37
4. Force Majeure 5:31
5. Dominion 4:49
6. Cinnamon Road 4:14
7. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares 7:05
8. Ricochet 7:17
9. Phaedra 4:51
10. Monolight (Yellow Part) 7:15
All songs from 'Tangents:1973-1983' box set available on Virgin
Compact Discs. 39804 All songs published by EMI Virgin Music,
Inc. (ASCAP) For Promotional Use Only - Not For Sale
Compilation p & c 1994 Virgin Records
America, Inc.
On the side, the case reads:
DPRO-14221 Tangerine Dream Sampler Virgin Records America, Inc.
The back of the jewel case reads:
+ - - -- - - +
| DPRO-14221 |
+ - - -- - - +
Tangerine Dream
1. White Eagle 4:14
2. Cloudburst Flight 7:13
3. Hyperborea 8:37
4. Force Majeure 5:31
5. Dominion 4:49
6. Cinnamon Road 4:14
7. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares 7:05
8. Ricochet 7:17
9. Phaedra 4:51
10. Monolight (Yellow Part) 7:15
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Letter to Miramar re 'GREATEST HITS'
Really-From: Steven Feldman
Folks,
To show that my 'whining' about TANGENTS knows no bounds, here is
a copy of a letter I'm firing off to Miramar later today. ;)
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
Miramar
200 Second Avenue West
Seattle, WA 98119
Dear xxxxxxxx
The last time I wrote you, it was to register my dissatisfaction
with the 5-CD set TANGENTS, which I felt was little more that a remix
package with a bonus disc of all-new material disguised as a greatest
hits set--which not only shortchanged newcomers who wished to sample the
band's prior glories but gypped the faithful by forcing them to pay for
5 CDs just to hear the one bonus disc. This time, I'm here to crab
about the 2-CD BOOK OF DREAMS and its augmented incarnation, the DREAM
ROOTS Collection, but like last time, I'm offering a solution that would
be mutually beneficial.
Please indulge me while I demonstrate how run-away remix projects
have resulted in mass confusion and frustration. THE DREAM MIXES
(arguably the best TD release in the last 7 years) at first appeared to
be a fortuitous side-effect of the remixing marathon required for
Tangents, but then the Froese solo BEYOND THE STORM presented us with
another CD's-worth of remixes, and a previously-unreleased soundtrack
called ZONING was issued with Chris Franke's contributions removed (the
most drastic 'remix' of all?), and Miramar's own THE DREAM MIXES was re-
released (in the UK, anyways) with a second CD containing . . . remixes
of remixes!?! Continuing the absurdity, another 2-CD remix set, BOOK OF
DREAMS, was followed by another 5-CD set called the DREAM ROOTS
Collection, which duplicated the 2-CD set while luring the buyer in with
another bonus CD of all-new material. Honestly, if I see one more TD
collection with the word 'dream' in it, I'll scream! Hasn't it occurred
to anyone that no one's released a TD package called GREATEST HITS yet?
Would that Miramar was the outfit to do it.
Complicating matters is the unfortunate fact that the proliferation
of Tangerine Dream compilation packages that feature material only from
the label pressing them ultimately does everyone a disservice, selling
the band short by giving the false impression that the selected material
is representative of their (quality) work as a whole.
What I would really like to see is Miramar--who has yet to issue
their own obligatory TD collection--issuing a 3-CD set of TD's shorter,
punchier tunes (from soundtracks, 45s, and CD-singles, as well as the
regular albums issued by Virgin, MCA, Varese Sarabande, Jive,
Relativity, Private Music, Silva Screen, Miramar, Sequel, etc., ad
nauseum). Such seeming magnanimity would accomplish two things: 1) it
would make people think quite rightly that Miramar is the first
of TD's labels not to parade their crass self-interest with a company-
bound hits package, and 2) it would sell better than all previous
collections by virtue of its having the greatest variety, the greatest
amount of tracks, and all the key recordings that would compel even the
most skittish buyer to buy the collection--thus justifying the resultant
reduction in royalties caused by issuing material owned by competitors.
The popular tracks from the soundtracks alone would do the trick--and you
could include both studio versions of 'Love on a Real Train (Risky
Business)' (the first pressing of the LP has a much different version
than later pressings or the CD) along with the live version on the THREE
PHASE video if you wanted to! And since you'd be using material under
license from other companies, you might as well add in the 'Ultima
Thule' 45 single--and the *real* dream roots: the 'Lady Greengrass' b/w
'Love of Mine' 45 single by Edgar's pre-TD band the Ones.
I am appending to this message a suggested track listing for the
sort of compilation album I am talking about. Granted, the selection is
subjective, but I'm reasonably sure that many of the choices are
universal, given that the purpose of the collection would be to show TD
in the best possible light to the greatest number of people, i.e. with
the well-known, catchy material laden with latent pop appeal (stopping
short of tacky tunes like 'Optical Race' and MELROSE's 'Cool at Heart,'
though, one would hope).
In keeping with representing the entirety of TD+s career, it would
be nice if you included in an accompanying booklet photos of the jacket
artwork from every TD release to date (including the 45, 12', and CD-5
selections featured, as well as alternate jackets like the British
versions of EXIT, NEAR DARK, and SHY PEOPLE). Listing the compilation's
tracks beneath their corresponding jacket images would be even better--
and listing all the tracks beneath each corresponding jacket image with
the compilation+s tracks highlighted in boldface would be better still.
This would serve not only to impress the casual buyer (who would think
he is getting a bargain with a spiffy booklet and such a large selection
from so immense a body of work), but to hook the jaded TD collector (who
would love to have the booklet for quick reference and the CDs to gain
new TD converts), as well! Notice how Virgin has included pictures of
the jacket art from their TD album library inside their Super-Bit-
Mapping TD releases, and how Chris Franke did the same with his PACIFIC
COAST HIGHWAY solo album.
I'll cut the gab, now, and jot down the suggested track listing.
Give it a thought.
Yours truly,
Steven Feldman
Wide-Appeal TD Tunes?
1966 Lady Greengrass (A-side of the German 45 by the Ones) 2:41
1966 Love of Mine (B-side of the German 45 by the Ones) 3:03
1972 Ultima Thule, Part 1 (A-side of the 45) 3:27
1972 Ultima Thule, Part 2 (B-side of the 45) 4:17
1974 Movements of a Visionary (PHAEDRA) 7:54
1977 Betrayal (Sorcerer Theme) (SORCERER) 3:41
1979 Cloudburst Flight (FORCE MAJEURE) 7:21
1980 Beach Theme (THIEF soundtrack) 3:44
1981 Kiew Mission (EXIT) 9:18
1982 White Eagle (WHITE EAGLE) 4:30
1983 Daydream (German 45 [A-side]; TATORT German TV show sndtrck) 4:40
Moorland (German 45 [B-side]; TATORT German TV show sndtrck) 3:50
Cinnamon Road (HYPERBOREA) 3:54
Rare Bird (UK 12', the sepaparate end of 'Tangent' on POLAND) 3:55
Mojave End Title (WAVELENGTH soundtrack) 4:11
Love on a Real Train (RISKY BUSINESS sndtrck; rare version) 2:15
Love on a Real Train (RISKY BUSINESS sndtrck; common version) 3:58
1984 Charley the Kid (FIRESTARTER soundtrack) 3:51
Love Theme (THE PARK IS MINE soundtrack) 3:32
Going West (FLASHPOINT soundtrack) 4:10
1985 Gaudi Park (LE PARC) 5:10
Desire (HEARTBREAKERS) 5:38
1986 Dolphin Dance (UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT) 5:05
1987 Canyon Carver (CANYON DREAMS soundtrack) 4:17
Bus Station (NEAR DARK soundtrack) 4:15
Mae's Transformation (NEAR DARK soundtrack) 4:20
Shy People [instrumental version] (SHY PEOPLE soundtrack) 5:04
1988 Mothers of Rain (OPTICAL RACE) 5:13
Sun Gate (OPTICAL RACE) 4:44
1989 Crystal Curfew (LILY ON THE BEACH) 4:57
People in the News (MIRACLE MILE soundtrack) 5:10
1990 Dolls in the Shadow (MELROSE) 5:10
1991 Correlation of Lies (THE MAN INSIDE soundtrack) 3:45
News and Morality (THE MAN INSIDE soundtrack) 4:45
1992 Touchwood (ROCKOON) 4:34
Rockoon--Special Radio Edit (CD-5 [from ROCKOON]) 4:16
1993 Hamlet (220 VOLT LIVE) 8:30
Love on a Real Train (Risky Business) (from THREE PHASE vid) 3:17
1994 Twilight Brigade (TURN OF THE TIDES) 9:45
Story of the Brave (CD-5 [from TURN OF THE TIDES]) 5:17
The Conspiracy (ZONING soundtrack) 5:54
1995 Catwalk (TYRANNY OF BEAUTY) 7:21
Rough Embrace (THE DREAM MIXES) 5:30
1996 Towards the Evening Star (GOBLINS' CLUB) 6:16
TOTAL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 205 minutes and 35 seconds
Divide 205:35 by 3 (for three CDs), and you get 68:11+--roughly
three 68-minute CDs.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, tim
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, timewind
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:17:52 -0500
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>We were talking about the UK version of TOB that has the bonus track
>'Quasar' (the AMP and TDI releases); I've also learned that this is the
>case with TOTT and the bonus track 'Story of the Brave' which is also
>available on the UK cd (TDI release) [. . .]
Oh hell; I just paid for an Austrian import of TotT with 'Story
of the Brave.' Ah, well.
> I've seen the TOTT CD5 in at least two editions and think it is
>marginally available [. . .]
Wha...? This is the first I've heard of this.
>Does anyone know the sizes of the releases of the miramar singles??
They're all regular CD size (if that's what you're asking).
>Now if I could just find the TD music-only version of Rumpelstiltskin, I
>would be happy-- [. . .]
Do you mean to say that there's a version of RUMPELSTILTSKIN that
doesn't have the Kathleen Turner narration *at all*?
-- Steven Feldman
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 6:25
pm
Subject: Re: Letter to Miramar re 'GREATEST HITS'
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
hey...why dont u put all those tracks down on tape, burn a cd, and sell it to
us?
just a thought,
tom w
np: the grid - rollercoaster
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tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 6:20
pm
Subject: Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_
Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> 'Stratosfear 1995' is a pretty good cover, but, taken on its
own
> terms, it does not have the endearing qualities of the original. I like
it, I
> suppose, because it takes me back a ways.
I can't understand that everyone is talking about Stratosfear 1995, my copy
of Tyranny of Beauty really says Stratosfear 1994. Does somebody else
also have this 1994 version?
Marcel
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 7:00
pm
Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, tim
Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
On Feb 24, 12:43pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, tim
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>
> >Subject: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, timewind
> >Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:17:52 -0500
> >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
> >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
> >
(...)
>
> >Now if I could just find the TD music-only version of Rumpelstiltskin, I
> >would be happy-- [. . .]
>
> Do you mean to say that there's a version of RUMPELSTILTSKIN that
> doesn't have the Kathleen Turner narration *at all*?
>
> -- Steven Feldman
>-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list
The Rumpelstiltskin CD features all the tracks twice: once with and once
without
the narration. I guess TD learned a things or two since 'Tyger'... ;-)
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 7:05
pm
Subject: Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_
Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
>
> > 'Stratosfear 1995' is a pretty good cover, but, taken on its
> own
> > terms, it does not have the endearing qualities of the original. I like
> it, I
> > suppose, because it takes me back a ways.
>
> I can't understand that everyone is talking about Stratosfear 1995, my copy
> of Tyranny of Beauty really says Stratosfear 1994. Does somebody else
> also have this 1994 version?
>
> Marcel
I recall Edgar saying in an interview that what eventually appeared on
_ToB_ as Strato '95 was originally done for _Tangents_, but Virgin was
not at all happy with it and sent it back to them, prompting Edgar to do
the much more subtle remix of the original that eventually appeared on
_Tangents_. They kept the souped-up version around and got the idea of
putting it on what was, at the time, the forthcoming new album.
Gabe
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Re: Letter to Miramar re 'GREATEST HITS'
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: Re: Letter to Miramar re 'GREATEST HITS'
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:25:49 -0500 (EST)
>Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
>
>hey...why dont u put all those tracks down on tape, burn a cd, and sell
>it to us?
>
>just a thought,
Another thought: if someone made such a pirate CD on their own, it
would embarrass the sh*t out of Virgin, Jive, Sequel et al when it
outsold their own (legit) releases by a margin of 10 to 1. ;) ;) ;)
-- Steven Feldman and
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From:
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Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 8:37
pm
Subject: Re: Letter to Miramar re 'GREATEST HITS'
Really-From: slawlor
> Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
>
>
> hey...why dont u put all those tracks down on tape, burn a cd, and sell it to
> us?
>
> just a thought,
>
I like that idea, particularly since I'm not very familiar with a lot of
their soundtrack work, I think I had three of their soundtracks,
wavelength, firestarter, and heartbreakers, and I don't like the post 88
material enough to go out and buy all those albums, and those singles
would be cool to hear anyway.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 8:40
pm
Subject: Kiew Mission question
Really-From: slawlor
Hi there. Does anyone know what kind of keyboard tangerine dream is
using for the melody of the last part of kiew mission? I think they use
a similar kind of keyboard in song of the whale 1 and 2, but the sound is
more qiry instead of moog sounding like in the former track. Thanks for
the information.
scott K. Lawlor
http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 2:26
am
Subject: Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_
Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:28:32 -0500 (EST) tadream mailing list
wrote:
>Really-From: PNaunton@a...
>
> (...)
>
> Skip 'Haze Of Fame'.
>
> Skip 'Tyranny Of Beauty'.
>
> Skip 'Largo'.
>
> These last three impress me as being too indulgent, too morbid,
too
>boring. They just sit there like puddles. They don't start anywhere,
don't
>develop, don't go anywhere.
Funny to (somewhat unexpectedly) find someone who shares my
impression. In my view, ToB is a moderately good effort to start off with
until the new Stratosfear Mix (called Stratosfear 1994, 1995, or
whatever) fiercely interrups the superordinate idea to the album. 'Bride
in Cold Tears' is definitely a Jerome piece, and not even a bad one. But
even at that point, the album seems to have had its day, and the last
three tracks appear to be huge massive cornerstones of Nothing. I still
could not make sense of them, but if anyone can enlighten me, I'll be
glad to listen...
Dennis
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: How Could Chris Have Contributed to ZONING?!?
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: Re: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . .
>Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 21:26:22 +0100
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Piotr Trzcionkowski
>
>> >Really-From: Mark Filipak
>>
>> >ZONING [?? ??? ??] - EF/CF/??
>>
>> So, Chris 'n' Ed recorded it, but Ed edited Chris' part out???
It occurred to me that it's odd that Chris should have had
anything to do with ZONING in the first place since it was supposedly
originally recorded in 1994, whereas Chris left TD in 1989. Besides,
ZONING (now, at least) sounds an awful lot like the new stuff on Ed's
BEYOND THE STORM solo.
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
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Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 10:50
pm
Subject: Tangerine Dream filmography
Really-From: 'Harri Ikonen'
Hi everyone,
Here's a bit more complete list of movies featuring music by Tangerine
Dream. I went through three different databases and the information here
should be fairly accurate. However, please note that some of the film
below contain only individual tracks -- for instance, in 'Spasms' only the
closing track 'Serpent's Theme' was performed by TD. Also, please note
that video albums such as 'Canyon Dreams' and 'True North' are not listed.
TANGERINE DREAM FILMOGRAPHY
'Sorcerer', aka 'Wages of Fear' (1977) 121 min.
W: Georges Arnaud & Walon Green / D: William Friedkin
Universal Pictures / Paramount
'Kneuss' (1978)
D: Gaudenz Meili
'Take It to the Limit' (1979)
'Thief', aka 'Violent Streets' (1981) 126 min.
W: Frank Hohimer & Michael Mann / D: Michael Mann
United Artists
'Strange Behaviour', aka 'Dead Kids' (1981) 98 min.
W: Bill Condon & Michael Laughlin / D: Michael Laughlin
'The Soldier', aka 'Codename: The Soldier' (1982) 96 min.
W & D: James Glickenhaus
'Identificazione di Una Donna', aka 'Indentification of a Woman' (1982) 130
min.
W: Michelangelo Antonioni, Gerard Brach & Tonino Guerra / D: Michelangelo
Antonioni
'Wavelength' (1983) 87 min.
W & D: Mike Gray
New World Pictures
'Risky Business' (1983) 96 min.
W & D: Paul Brickman
Geffen Pictures / Warner Bros.
'The Keep' (1983) 96 min.
W: Michael Mann & F. Paul Wilson / D: Michael Mann
'Spasms', aka 'Death Bite' (1983) 87 min.
W: Don Enright, William Fruet, Michael Maryk & Brent Monahan / D: William
Fruet
'Heartbreakers' (1984) 98 min.
W & D: Bobby Roth
Jethro Film Productions / Orion
'Flashpoint' (1984) 94 min.
W: Michael Butler, George La Fountaine & Dennis Shryack / D: William Tannen
TriStar / HBO / Silver Screen Partners
'Firestarter' (1984) 115 min.
W: Stephen King & Stanley Mann / D: Mark L. Lester
Universal Pictures
'Vision Quest', aka 'Crazy for You' (1985) 105 min.
W: Terry Davis & Darryl Ponicsan / D: Harold Becker
Warner Bros.
'Red Heat', aka 'Rote Hitze' (1985)
W: Robert Collector & Gary Drucker / D: Robert Collector
'Legend' (1985, US version) 89 min.
W: William Hjortsberg / D: Ridley Scott
Universal Pictures / 20th Century Fox
'Forbidden' (1985) 116 min.
W: Leonard Gross / D: Anthony Page
'The Park is Mine' (1986) 102 min.
W: Lyle Gorch & Steven Peters / D: Steven Hilliard Stern
International Cinema Corporation / Ramble Film Productions
'Zoning' (1986)
D: Ulrich Krenkler
'Tonight's the Night', aka 'The Game of Love' (1987) 100 min.
W: Sue Grafton & Steve Humphrey / D: Bobby Roth
'Three O'Clock High' (1987) 101 min.
W: Richard Christian Matheson & Thomas E. Szollosi / D: Phil Joanou
Universal Pictures
'Shy People' (1987) 118 min.
W: Gerard Brach, Marjorie David & Andrei Konchalovsky / D: Andrei
Konchalovsky
Cannon Group
'Near Dark' (1987) 95 min.
W: Kathryn Bigelow & Eric Red / D: Kathryn Bigelow
F/M Entertainment
'Deadly Care' (1987)
D: David Anspaugh
Universal Television
'Miracle Mile' (1988) 87 min.
W & D: Steve de Jarnatt
Hemdale
'Dead Solid Perfect' (1988) 95 min.
W: Dan Jenkins / D: Bobby Roth
HBO
'Red Nights' (1988)
'Catch Me If You Can' (1989)
W & D: Stephen Sommers
Management Company Entertainment Group
'Destination Berlin' (1989)
W & D: Ernst A. Heiniger & Stefan Lukschy
Circle Vision
'City of Shadows', aka 'City of Night' (1989)
'Rainbow Drive' (1990) 100 min.
W: Bennett Cohen, Bill Phillips & Roderick Thorp / D: Bobby Roth
'The Man Inside', aka 'L'Affair Wallraff' (1990) 93 min.
W: Bobby Roth & Guenter Wallraff / D: Bobby Roth
FPC Productions / New Line Cinema / The Man Inside
'Highway to Hell' (1992) 93 min.
W: Brian Helgeland / D: Ate de Jong
'The Switch' (1993) 92 min.
W: T.S. Cook & Ron Schultz / D: Bobby Roth
'Memphis PD: War on the Streets' (1996)
W & D: Vince DiPersio & Bill Guttentag
Half Court Pictures / HBO
'Single Man' (UNKNOWN)
D: Bobby Roth
--
Harri Ikonen
hikonen@m...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Flamebait: Is RUBYCON REVISITED Similar to TANGENTS? ;)
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: Re: TANGENT-izing: Sickening -Reply
>Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 16:56:39 -0500
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: florin epure
>
>I think Silva Screen has done an excellent job actually giving us the
>possibility to hear the master tapes for TPiM, Deadly Care and others.
>In my opinion TPiM is one of TD's best soundtracks. [. . .]
It's nice to hear someone other than myself say such things. :)
>[. . .] Each of these releases have some good tracks - o.k. not all
>tracks are excellent but I really like them as an overall release.
I think this applies especially to DEAD SOLID PERFECT. I realize
that, in structure, it's as threadbare as THREE O'CLOCK HIGH, yet as a
unit, it's great stuff. Ford Thaxton's decision to link the tracks up
close together really paid off for *this* TD fan.
>We would have never heard them if it weren't for Slva Sreen.
>(Hopefully they'll do some more...)
I hope they get to the Bobby Roth flix RAINBOW DRIVE and SINGLE
MAN . . . and STREETHAWK. ;)
>And about tangentizing:O.K. you can 'tangentize' it, but
>don't mix some new sounds on the original sound of a track - either
>1.re-record it with all these new amazing instruments or
>2.give us the original release -
>but don't mix them, please.
Ah! This homes in somewhat on what irks me so about all this
remixing shenanigans. My fave parts of TANGENTS are the tracks that
are indeed complete overhauls of the originals, such as 'Phaedra.'
This explains why 'Upland' is one of my fave tracks on BEYOND THE
STORM.
As for 'mixing them,' as Florin says, isn't that pretty much the
case with the odious RUBYCON REVISITED boot? X-o ;) ;) :)
>And also in case 1, please re-record the whole track not only a 2-3-4
>min excerpt or put a part on one cd and another part on another cd.
!!! :)
>Florin.
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 11:17
pm
Subject: Re: Letter to Miramar re 'GREATEST HITS'
Really-From: David Datta
: Really-From: Steven Feldman
: Another thought: if someone made such a pirate CD on their own, it
: would embarrass the sh*t out of Virgin, Jive, Sequel et al when it
: outsold their own (legit) releases by a margin of 10 to 1. ;) ;) ;)
Do you REALLY think it would? I don't. It would take an awful lot of
really, really die-hard collectors to out-sell something pushed by the
massive machine that is the legit music industry.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 11:10
pm
Subject: Re: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . .
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
-snip-
> >THE EXORCIST [?? ??? ??] - EF/??
>
> Wrong. It was--all join in, now--Mike Oldfield.
-snip-
Rumor has it that some TD music was used. This has persisted for quite
some time and is found on many lists -- which is where I got it from. I
don't have 'The Exorcist' video. It would be a real service to mankind
if someone who has it would confirm/deny the truth of this persistent
rumor. Regards -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Feb 24, 1997 11:41
pm
Subject: Time signatures/Destination Berlin/12'Das Maedchen....
Really-From: ' teiwaz barana'
From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: 20 Feb 97 9:14
Subject: Re: Time Signatures
Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i...
>The great thing about TD's use of unusual time signatures is it doesn't
jump out at you - it's just used tastefully where it's appropriate.
Contrast with, for example, Rush, whose music often screams 'LOOK HOW
CLEVER WE ARE, EVERYBODY, WE'RE PLAYING IN 5/4 TIME!'<
Which RUSH songs do this?--please give an example.
--teiwaz
ObTD: just got a taped copy of the 'Tangentized' Monolight 'single'
from the vinyl and a taped copy of Flock and Speed from the Das
Maedchen auf der Treppe 30cm. Anyone know why the record sleeve
says 45RPM and the label inside is a Virgin records label that says
33rpm? I own the 7' single version of DMadT.
Oh yeah, is anyone in the US looking for a copy of Destination
Berlin on CD? I saw a new one yesterday for $15 I could grab it and
send it out for $20. Someone said they were having trouble finding
this.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 1:37
am
Subject: Re: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . .
Really-From: Ken Alexander
> some time and is found on many lists -- which is where I got it from. I
> don't have 'The Exorcist' video. It would be a real service to mankind
> if someone who has it would confirm/deny the truth of this persistent
> rumor. Regards -- Mark
TD is not credited on the Exorcist.
Isn't William Friedkin (the director of both Sorcerer and Exorcist)
quoted in the Sorcerer notes saying 'had I known about TD when I made
the Exorcist, I would have used them for it as well!' ?
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 12:59
am
Subject: Re: FEBRUARY FAQ/_Logotypes_ track listing
Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Hello, Feldon--greetings all!
>I know you probably don't have much time to read e-mails, but i thought I'd
>ask something. Is there a more detailed time index analysis of the Logos
>concert and the Logos CD?
>...
>I got tapes of the concert which aren't bad, the usual excessive bass,
>weakened midtones... how good is this Logotypes CDR as far as quality? I was
>actually thinking of burning my own CD with the 24 minutes of unreleased
>stuff broken up into 4 tracks and Logos Blue part '86...
>...
>P.S. One more question, honest, this is the last one! I noticed that the
>beginning of Part 2 sounds different than the CD release, is this just a
>part of Set 2 that was edited out in the studio? My taped version of the
>concert, it is very chopped up, like the tape recorder was stopped and
>started a couple times so it's hard to tell how it was edited.
I hope you don't mind me posting this to list as well, Feldon. I've been
asked by others as well for this info, so I'd just like to do this in one
swell foop! ; )
===LOGOTYPES TRACK LISTING===
The boot _Logotypes_ is a very limited edition CD-R (approx. 20) of a
soundboard tape from the Polygon Studio rehearsals for the UK '82 tour. It
contains the entire 1st set, and 30 min. of the 2nd set (minus the first 5
min. and the last 10 min.) The sound quality is for the most part very good
for a boot, and although the 2nd set has some unfortunate edits
(unavoidable due to the flaws in the source tape), this is not a big
problem, as this is the set found on _Logos_.
The track times and titles are as follows:
'Infernal Device' 3:08
'Hijack' 3:22 (also from The Soldier)
'Rush of Joy' 5:10
'Mirage' 2:37
'Desert Run' 3:58
'Renewed Purpose' 4:18 (also from The Keep)
'Dreamscape' 6:13
'Choronzon' 8:08
'Tangent' 3:28
'Mojave Plan' 4:48 (edit [due to tape problems] of 'Desert Part')
'Harbor Entry' 2:28 (also from The Sodier)
'Last Hope' 6:54 (AKA Logos Velvet [also from the Soldier])
'The Keep: Dark Atmosphere' 1:50 (AKA Logos Red)
'The Keep: Black Light' 4:08 (AKA Logos Red)
'The Keep: Release' 5:18 (AKA Logos Blue [also from The Keep])
'Descent Into Madness' 4:36 (also from The Keep)
And as an added treat (it was my birthday this weekend, so I'm feeling
generous!), here are the liner notes that accompanied this disc:
TANGERINE DREAM
LOGOTYPES - POLYGON STUDIO BERLIN 1982
Whenever fans are asked to list their favorite TD albums, Logos - Live at
The Dominion is very often at or near the top. Coming at the end of 1982,
Logos represents both an end and a beginning; an end to the mostly
improvised performances which made every show a unique experience, and the
beginning of the tightly sequenced, rhythymically dynamic and melodically
structured direction that has continued to the present. It was also a
representation of the very prolific output from the band during this time.
Between 1970 and 1979, TD released 12 albums; between 1980 and 1982 they
released 6! This was also the beginning of their reign in Hollywood: no
fewer than 9 soundtracks were composed during this period; including
Strange Behaviour, Thief, The Soldier, Tatort and The Keep. That kind of
output continued throughout the 80's. Logos reflects all of these elements
and more within its' continuously shifting patterns. This is not to say
that the music was (is) uninspired; quite to the contrary, the newfound
direction was a logical and necessary step in the evolution of TD's sound.
The inspirational muse of the band merely moved from improvisation to
composititon. Themes and structures were now developed rather than
'discovered'. But within the compositions, there remains a rich and varied
texture of sound, which can and does reward the listener with a new
experience upon every play. This is the essence of a true artist. This is
the essence of Tangerine Dream.
This disc was taken from a soundboard cassette of the rehearsals for the
1982 fall tour. The first track contains over 20 minutes of material not
available elswhere. The second track begins midway through 'Mojave Plan',
and ends after the second theme from 'Logos Part B', here called 'Descent
Into Madness'. All track titles are my 'impressions' of the theme except
where a real title exists. All flaws in the material are present on the
cassette; hiss, flutter ('Renewed Purpose'), dropouts (the first 5 minutes
of 'Mojave Plan' were unusable) and edits ('The Keep'). The remaining 10
minutes of the second set were edited due to space limitations.
- Goozer
Yes, I am familiar with the author! ; )
And as mentioned in the February FAQ (on sale now!): ...the first 6:45 (of
the _Logos_ CD) is an ever-so-slight remix of the first 6:45 of the actual
first set opening, which is in place of the actual second set opener,
'Mojave Plan - Canyon Part' (and before _anyone_ asks: no, not the
_Tangents_ version; the second half of the _White Eagle_ version!) and a
short linking piece (the terrorists' 'Harbor Entry' music from the film The
Soldier.)
goozer
P.S: This was the prize won by Florin for entering and answering the JAN.
FAQ Contest! Who knows what YOU could win...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 1:13
am
Subject: Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_
Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Greetings all!
>I can't understand that everyone is talking about Stratosfear 1995, my copy
>of Tyranny of Beauty really says Stratosfear 1994. Does somebody else
>also have this 1994 version?
>
>Marcel
Uh...double check it to make sure. I have the original Miramar release and
the TDI re-issue and they both list it as 'Stratosfear '95'.
goozer
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 7:04
am
Subject: Chris Franke on IRC!
Really-From: Elana who?
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:08:26 -0500
From: Gary Davis
To: artshop@a...
Subject: New Members and Events
Hello Friends:
The Artist Shop is extremely pleased to welcome our newest member, former
Tangerine Dreamer, Christopher Franke. Christopher brings with him his new
label, Sonic Images, and it's sister label, Earthtone Records. Included on
his roster are such artists as Shadowfax, Mark Shreeve, Solar System,
Marcomé, Ah-Kin, Echoes of Incas and more. Between these two labels Franke
covers a lot of stylistic territory including techno, ambient, new age, acid
jazz, world music, folk alternative and more. And, of course, there's
Franke's own work including the soundtracks to the popular Babylon 5
seriesYou'll find all of this at .
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Gary Davis
The Artist Shop The Other Road
http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad@a...
SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!!
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 7:20
am
Subject: Franke on IRC - WRONG! (+ apologies)
Really-From: Elana who?
Someone hand me a crowbar... I now gotta pry my foot out from behind my
teeth. Hoof-in-mouth dizeaze city! :-P
Talk about wishful thinking...! :(
I saw Chris' name... I saw IRC in the next (edited-out for Tadream)
paragraph, jumped to conclusions and happily hit the ceiling. Obviously
knocked my own brains out in the process.
My apologies to everyone here... our Chris guy is NOT going to be on
IRC... but it would be nice if he ever did!
The artistshop folks routinely sponsor IRC sessions with cool artists...
maybe we can talk them into getting Chris to spend some net-time with us
fans. Ya never know... :)
-Elana
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 8:03
am
Subject: FS: 'Beyond the Storm'
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Hello all. Ben Londa is not on TaDream so I'm posting this for him.
For Sale: Edgar Froese 'Beyond the Storm' UK version -- 2CD.
Price: $18 includes shipping within the US.
Contact: mailto:londab@s...
I just bought this album. About 10% is 'new age' though good new age
and about 90% is just plain good. Parts of 'Macula Transfer' and 'Ages'
are found hereon (updated ala 'Tangents'). 28 tracks, 15 of which are
previously unreleased. Go get it! -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 4:00
pm
Subject: RE: kiew mission
Really-From: Armin Theissen
>
>Really-From: slawlor
>
>
>Hi there. Does anyone know what kind of keyboard tangerine dream is
>using for the melody of the last part of kiew mission? I think they use
>a similar kind of keyboard in song of the whale 1 and 2, but the sound is
>more qiry instead of moog sounding like in the former track. Thanks for
>the information.
>
>
>scott K. Lawlor
>http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor
>
>
As far as I remember from the Circus Crone TV appearance it was
one of the PPG keyboards. I don't know which one, but I guess the
PPG waves of that time would do it.
Armin Theissen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Armagh Observatory email: ath@s...
College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen
Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928
Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 7:14
pm
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #845
Really-From: ashok prema
I note some conversing regards the 'Logos' concert ie Dominion 1982.
I seem to recall that TD fitted TWO concerts in the same evening with
something like a 45 minute gap for the audience changeover. Am I right or
is my memory playing tricks??
Incidentally, any musicians or even fans out there interested in aquiring a
piece of TD history in the form of a Sequential Drumtrax drum machine from
TD's Berlin , please mail me in private.
Ash
aprema@g...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 1:04
pm
Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, tim
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>The Rumpelstiltskin CD features all the tracks twice: once with and once
>without
>the narration. I guess TD learned a things or two since 'Tyger'... ;-)
The cassette, which I borrowed from the library, has the music &
narration repeated on both sides.
Scott
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59
pm
Subject: Get a good laugh :-)
Really-From: Peter Ravn
Dear TDreamers
If you want a good laugh then point your browser at:
http://www.netstore.de/~jvfields/theartof.htm
Regards
Peter Ravn
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 1:43
pm
Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, tim
Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
On Feb 25, 8:04am, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, tim
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
>
> >The Rumpelstiltskin CD features all the tracks twice: once with and once
> >without
> >the narration. I guess TD learned a things or two since 'Tyger'... ;-)
>
> The cassette, which I borrowed from the library, has the music &
> narration repeated on both sides.
>
> Scott
>-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list
Now, why on earth would a tape have the exact same thing on both sides?
Me think it is faulty. Anyone have insight on this SNAFU?
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59
pm
Subject: Video Dream*
Really-From: Peter Ravn
Dear TDreamers
I just searched in CDNOW (http://www.cdnow.com) for TD CD's.
There is listed a video release:
Video Dream*
IMAGE LR-3737A
FUTURE RELEASE: May, 21, 1997.
I guess that this means that the Video Dream Mixes is postponed 3 months
:-(
Peter Ravn
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: BEYOND THE STORM US & UK: a Difference?
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: FS: 'Beyond the Storm'
>Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:03:33 -0800
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
>For Sale: Edgar Froese 'Beyond the Storm' UK version -- 2CD.
What's the difference between the US and UK versions, if any?
Is BtS on the TDI International label in the UK?
>I just bought this album. About 10% is 'new age' though good new age
>and about 90% is just plain good. Parts of 'Macula Transfer' and 'Ages'
>are found hereon (updated ala 'Tangents'). 28 tracks, 15 of which are
>previously unreleased. Go get it! -- Mark
Don't forget that two of the tracks are actually remixes of tracks
found on the KAMIKAZE 1989 soundtrack. I think Edgar changed the titles
because he's been quoted as saying that he hasn't re-issued KAMIKAZE
1989 or somesuch (and therefore wouldn't want to blow his cover with
what actually is on BEYOND THE STORM).
-- Steven Feldman and
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: 'GREATEST HITS' Would Outsell Legit TD Compilations
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: Re: Letter to Miramar re 'GREATEST HITS'
>Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:17:32 -0600
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: David Datta
>
>: Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>: Another thought: if someone made such a pirate CD on their own, it
>: would embarrass the sh*t out of Virgin, Jive, Sequel et al when it
>: outsold their own (legit) releases by a margin of 10 to 1. ;) ;) ;)
>
>Do you REALLY think it would? I don't. It would take an awful lot of
>really, really die-hard collectors to out-sell something pushed by the
>massive machine that is the legit music industry.
Let me clarify: a pirate (as opposed to a boot) is something that
infiltrates and is sold in legit record outlets and/or chains. Granted,
these outlets and/or chains do not constitute 'the legit music industry'
per se insofar as legit PR departments and legit distributors would be
out of the loop, but still . . .
Put such a package as I suggest on the racks in the Tower, HMV,
and Sam Goody's of the land, and I'm pretty confident that my
prediction would prove itself.
-- Steven Feldman and
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 2:55
pm
Subject: Re:'Tyranny Of Beauty'1994/1995
Really-From: 'K.E'
tadream mailing list wrote:
> I can't understand that everyone is talking about Stratosfear 1995, my
> copy of Tyranny of Beauty really says Stratosfear 1994. Does somebody
> else also have this 1994 version?
> Marcel
> Uh...double check it to make sure. I have the original Miramar release
> and the TDI re-issue and they both list it as 'Stratosfear '95'.
> goozer
Hm...My copy of ToB is from Virgin/Germany and lists this track as
'Stratosfear 1994'!
Well, the sleve notes says it was recorded july-sept 1994, so I think
I`ll stick to this year...
Kent - Danmark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 11:22
am
Subject: Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Last 3 songs:
'Haze of Fame' - The somber opening represents the realization that
fame has it's price -- in alienated feelings and objectification --
reenforced by Edgar's mornful guitar. This all coexists with Linda's
stylish sax to underline the contradictions that fame brings: obtaining
one's goals sometimes leads to loss of the more fundimental vital
things we all take for granted until they're lost. The song ends with
a plaintive cry as our catwalker is caught in a life of boredom and
manipulation.
'Tyranny of Beauty' - Our heroine finds the inner strength to change
her life and regain her former simple happiness. The rising sequence
represents her growing determination to wean herself away from her
addiction to fame and the transient pleasures it brings. As the beat
comes on, she has decided to thrust all the shabby grandeur away. Her
determination grows and grows with each bar -- she has learned, she
understands the tyranny of beauty. The strings represent her
attainment of a higher ethic.
'Largo' - Our catwalker has reached the peace that maturity and wisdom
brings. She now lives her life in simple harmony, secure in her loves
and life, having genuine relationships instead of 'useful'
relationships. The mellow sax conveys this wisdom in a stately song of
quiet triumph and peace.
Anyone who believes any of the above should go back to 'The Lamb Lies
Down On Broadway'. Everyone else, enjoy the music and leave Edgar's
navel alone. -- Mark (it's just music ferchrissake, not high art)
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
>
> On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:28:32 -0500 (EST) tadream mailing list
> wrote:
> >Really-From: PNaunton@a...
> >
> > (...)
> >
> > Skip 'Haze Of Fame'.
> >
> > Skip 'Tyranny Of Beauty'.
> >
> > Skip 'Largo'.
> >
> > These last three impress me as being too indulgent, too
> > morbid, too boring. They just sit there like puddles. They don't
> > start anywhere, don't develop, don't go anywhere.
>
> Funny to (somewhat unexpectedly) find someone who shares my
> impression. In my view, ToB is a moderately good effort to start off
> with until the new Stratosfear Mix (called Stratosfear 1994, 1995, or
> whatever) fiercely interrups the superordinate idea to the album.
> 'Bride in Cold Tears' is definitely a Jerome piece, and not even a bad
> one. But even at that point, the album seems to have had its day, and
> the last three tracks appear to be huge massive cornerstones of
> Nothing. I still could not make sense of them, but if anyone can
> enlighten me, I'll be glad to listen...
>
> Dennis
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 3:34
pm
Subject: Re: Christopher Franke & The Artist Shop
Really-From: Gary Davis
At 02:04 AM 2/25/97 -0600, Elana who? wrote:
>
>I saw Chris' name... I saw IRC in the next (edited-out for Tadream)
>paragraph, jumped to conclusions and happily hit the ceiling. Obviously
>knocked my own brains out in the process.
>
>My apologies to everyone here... our Chris guy is NOT going to be on
>IRC... but it would be nice if he ever did!
>
>The artistshop folks routinely sponsor IRC sessions with cool artists...
>maybe we can talk them into getting Chris to spend some net-time with us
>fans. Ya never know... :)
>
First, my extra special thanks to Elana who was so kind as to forward my
message about Christopher Franke joining The Artist Shop. As an old
Tangerine Dream fan, I couldn't be happier to have him with us. Actually,
I'm doubly pleased as I must confess that lately I've become a bit of a
Babylon 5 junkie and I love Franke's scores for that show. And as he's now
part of The Artist Shop, you'll now find the Tangerine Dream and Edgar
Froese titles in our Text Catalog.
As for Elana's comment about talking us into doing an IRC with Chris, I can
promise you that that is already in the back of my mind. (Actually, I
almost hit my own head on the ceiling when I saw Elana's header thinking
someone had beat me to the punch!) I can't make any promises that he'll do
it as I've not approached him on the subject yet. But I do promise you that
I WILL ask. Of course my own mailing list will be the first to know about
it. But I will definitely post it to Tadream, too, if Elana doesn't beat me
to it :-) (I suspect, though, that if Elena hit her head on the ceiling for
a false alarm, the real thing will knock her out which will give me just
enough time to beat her to the punch. LOL)
BTW, I will give you a sneak preview of something in the works. Fans of TD
and Chris might also be familiar with an electronic label called Waveform.
They will be the next label to join The Artist Shop.
Gary
**************************************************************
Gary Davis
The Artist Shop The Other Road
http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad@a...
SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!!
**************************************************************
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: D: _Tangram_
Really-From: Marshall Wood
_Tangram_ (1980) Rating: 5 AS
I found it very difficult to review this one. I can't point to
any standout passages or anything, because I love every turn the
music takes. The melodies are great, the percussion holds my
interest, the sound effects add to the atmosphere nicely, and
the use of acoustic & electric guitar really add warmth to the
album. _Tangram_ was Schmoelling's first studio work with TD,
and the music reflects that perfectly. The sequencer runs are
still prevalent, as they were in the Baumann days, the guitar
is still there (there's not much guitar in later Schmoelling-era
albums), and it's all beautifully complemented by Schmoelling's
great knack for melody. Froese provides the emotional warmth
(at least, that is who I attribute it to based on his solo works
of the time) that slipped away by the time of _Le Parc_, IMO.
_Tangram_ achieves a great balance.
The quintessential Tangerine Dream album, IMO. And this is CD
that I would use to introduce people to the band, especially
part one. No collection is complete without this one. Easily
a 5 AS.
MWood
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: D: _Turn of the Tides_
Really-From: Marshall Wood
_Turn of the Tides_ (1992) Rating: 2 AS
First off, let me say that the 'Turn of the Tides' story in
the CD booklet should be thrown out. It seems like nothing
more than a bad attempt at somehow tying the song titles
together. The liner notes indicate that this an an excerpt
from something called 'The Coachman's Tales' by Edgar Froese.
I assume that whatever 'The Coachman's Tales' is, it has
never come to light? Thank the Lord. The rest of the liner
notes are good, though - with detailed track information
and credits.
As a long-time Emerson Lake and Palmer fan, the brief excerpt
from 'Pictures at an Exhibition' doesn't bother me at all.
Doesn't excite me either, though.
The acoustic and electric guitar work on 'Firetongues' is very
nice - if only the ubiquitous harpsichord sound wasn't used...
I love the ominous beginning of 'Galley Slave's Horizon.'
Great heavy percussion, and a fiery lead guitar. But after
about the 3:00 mark, things go downhill. The backing vox of
Jayney Klimek and Julie Ocean just don't feel necessary, and
the entire middle section is kind of a letdown after that
powerful start. And there is just enough of our friend the
harpsichord patch scattered about to let you know that this
is indeed TD. The closing 2-3 minutes feature re-capture my
attention with some brief acoustic guitar, and then a straight-
forward electric guitar solo. Nice ending to cap it off. Why
don't the liner notes credit Linda Spa on this track? Are we
just hearing sampled sax around 2:30-3:00?
'Death of a Nightingale' sounds like John Tesh and Kenny G
broke into TD's Eastgate Studios late one night and swapped
a tape of one of their compositions for what was undoubtably
a killer TD track! Those b*st*rds! This track is six
minutes too long.
'Twilight Brigade' has kind of a light techno opening, and
then Zlatko slides in with some graceful guitar work. But,
don't worry, there is plenty of harpsichord sample here for
everybody! But aside from some interesting feedback guitar
around 1:50 that recalls the seagull sounds in the middle
of Pink Floyd's 'Echoes', there isn't much more here to get
the blood pumping. Zlatko repeats his opening guitar work
around the 5 minute mark, but then the graceful stuff takes
a turn toward a harder edged solo, which seems misplaced.
'Jungle Journey' - nice rhythm guitar enters at 1:30. That's
all that piqued my interest.
'Midwinter Night' another big-time yawner. John and Kenny
must've been at it again. With tunes like this, TD _belongs_
in the new age bins.
'Turn of the Tides' is another schizoid track. It just seems
like a bunch of loose ends stitched together. Anyway, whatever
keyboard it is that pops in around 1:37, I like it. The rhythm
guitar flows along nicely, and the percussion is decent. The
lead synth at around 2:34 somehow recalls Schmoelling. Another
fiery burst of electric guitar courtesy of Zlatko, and a
stepped up percussion line energize the next two minutes or
so. Then things slow down dramatically, and the backing vocals
of Klimek & Ocean enter again, and the rest of the track is
'TD does Enya.'
It pains me to give this CD only 2 AS, really. I thought I
liked it more than that, but I guess not.
MWood
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 11:28
am
Subject: Re: Films and Videos to Which Tangerine . . .
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Ken Alexander
>
> > some time and is found on many lists -- which is where I got it from.
> > I don't have 'The Exorcist' video. It would be a real service to
> > mankind if someone who has it would confirm/deny the truth of this
> > persistent rumor. Regards -- Mark
>
> TD is not credited on the Exorcist.
>
> Isn't William Friedkin (the director of both Sorcerer and Exorcist)
> quoted in the Sorcerer notes saying 'had I known about TD when I made
> the Exorcist, I would have used them for it as well!' ?
Oh yes, now that you mention it...
(slam!) Case Closed.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 3:50
pm
Subject: Re: Get a good laugh :-)
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Peter Ravn
>
> Dear TDreamers
>
> If you want a good laugh then point your browser at:
>
> http://www.netstore.de/~jvfields/theartof.htm
>
> Regards
> Peter Ravn
Who said Edgar never smiles?
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 4:00
pm
Subject: Re: BEYOND THE STORM US & UK: a Difference?
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> >Subject: FS: 'Beyond the Storm'
> >Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:03:33 -0800
> >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
> >Really-From: Mark Filipak
> >
> >For Sale: Edgar Froese 'Beyond the Storm' UK version -- 2CD.
>
> What's the difference between the US and UK versions, if any?
> Is BtS on the TDI International label in the UK?
>
> >I just bought this album. About 10% is 'new age' though good new age
> >and about 90% is just plain good. Parts of 'Macula Transfer' and 'Ages'
> >are found hereon (updated ala 'Tangents'). 28 tracks, 15 of which are
> >previously unreleased. Go get it! -- Mark
>
> Don't forget that two of the tracks are actually remixes of tracks
> found on the KAMIKAZE 1989 soundtrack. I think Edgar changed the titles
> because he's been quoted as saying that he hasn't re-issued KAMIKAZE
> 1989 or somesuch (and therefore wouldn't want to blow his cover with
> what actually is on BEYOND THE STORM).
>
> -- Steven Feldman and
>
Someone with the US version will have to reply, but I've read somewhere
that it's only 1CD -- can't remember where though and I may be wrong.
As an aid, here's my track listing off the UK version:
BEYOND THE STORM [??? ??] - EF
1- Heatwave City [5:37] 2- Dome of Yellow Turtles [5:12]
3- One Fine Day in Siberia [5:08] 4- Magic Lantern [5:05]
5- Walkabout [7:12]
6- Genesta in the Afternoon Glow [3:41]
7- Moonlight on a Crawler Lane [4:03]
8- Scarlet Score for Mescalero [4:55]
9- Upland [4:15] 10- Santa Elena Marisal [7:40]
11- Macula Transfer [3:22] 12- Drunken Mozart [9:35]
13- Descent Like a Hawk [5:11] 14- Carneol [4:47]
15- The Light Cone [4:36]
16- Detroit Snackbar Dreamer [6:37]
17- Epsilon in Malaysian Pale [5:30]
18- Tierra Del Fuego [4:23]
19- Bobcats in the Sun [5:30] 20- Metropolis [5:43]
21- Year of the Falcon [5:44] 22- Juniper Mascara [4:27]
23- Shores of Guam [5:07] 24- Pinnacles [8:01]
25- Stuntman [4:15] 26- Days of Camouflage [6:09]
27- Tropic of Capricorn [5:11] 28- Vault of the Heavens [5:07]
Note: These are actual running times as read from a CD player.
Cheers -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 3:42
pm
Subject: Re: Flamebait: Is RUBYCON REVISITED Similar to TANGENTS? ;)
Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn)
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>>And about tangentizing:O.K. you can 'tangentize' it, but
>>don't mix some new sounds on the original sound of a track - either
>>1.re-record it with all these new amazing instruments or
>>2.give us the original release -
>>but don't mix them, please.
> Ah! This homes in somewhat on what irks me so about all this
>remixing shenanigans. My fave parts of TANGENTS are the tracks that
>are indeed complete overhauls of the originals, such as 'Phaedra.'
>This explains why 'Upland' is one of my fave tracks on BEYOND THE
>STORM.
While I generally enjoy the completely overhauled tracks that appear on
TANGENTS, including Phaedra, I also enjoy most of the remixed versions of
the originals. Granted, both types are quite different than the originals
but I enjoy TANGENTS on the whole as a standalone product.
However, you've homed in on what irks me about BEYOND THE STORM: Upland.
Upland was my favorite track from AQUA. The version that appears on BtS is
*nothing* like the original except for several seconds at the beginning.
Kind of like space-music-meets-dance-remix. Gackk. It just doesn't work for
me, either as a remix variation of the original or as a standalone new track.
I've tried to get used to it but I still cringe a bit when I listen to it.
For me, it is a low-point of the album, an unsuccessful experiment.
On the other hand, I do like BtS as a whole album. I think it showcases
Edgar's core talent as master of the melody. And if I had to pick a favorite
track, the answer would be easy: Magic Lantern. For fans of Edgar's guitar
playing, this track is worth the price of the whole album!
My $0.02 worth...
-Erik Sanborn
esanborn@B...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 4:59
pm
Subject: TD midi files
Really-From: Sylvain Naud
Hi all,
Someone known if TD midi files are avalaible on the net ?
Thanks for your reply
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 5:22
pm
Subject: Re: BEYOND THE STORM US & UK: a Difference?
Really-From: Ken Alexander
> Someone with the US version will have to reply, but I've read somewhere
> that it's only 1CD -- can't remember where though and I may be wrong.
You're wrong. The US is a 2CD, and the track times are as you mention,
plus or minus a couple seconds. (Perhaps a CD player difference.)
Note that the back of the US version has an error: it lists the time of
'Drunken Mozart' as 3:25, but it is actually 9:33 on my player
(close enough to the 9:35 that you list).
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 5:29
pm
Subject: sch guys--what about kk?/Rumple. w/o K. Turner
Really-From: ' teiwaz barana'
If you're going to include
1. Conrad Schnitzler
2. Steve Schroyder
3. Klaus Schulze
Why not include Klaus Krieger--isn't he the drummer on FM--one of the more
popular albums from the virgin years?
and I have a copy of Rumplestiltskin w/ and w/o K. Turner narration. I could
tape it if someone wants a copy. Sure would like to trade for a copy of the
Music in the Movies show.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 6:31
pm
Subject: Re: Get a good laugh :-)
Really-From: sean
That Jerome - what a wacky guy.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'I used to be indecisive,
but now I just don't know'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 6:03
pm
Subject: Re: London Glitch (was Re: D:Tyger)
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Note: Everybody who owns CDs should read this (public service
announcement).
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: dbrewer@a...
-snip-
> > Quoted From: Mark Filipak
> > I listened to the guitar solo of London
> >
> > 09:54 - 10:30 -- 1st part of guitar solo
> > 11:06 - 11:46 -- 2nd part of guitar solo
> > 12:29 - 13:19 -- 3rd part of guitar solo
> >
> > The only thing I heard that might at all be considered unusual is a 5
> > second change of 'lead' from guitar to keyboard and back to guitar at
> > 10:12. Is this the 'dropout' you refer to? Was it bridged over
> > (quite effectively I might add) on the mastering I have?
>
> Okay, here we go. Here's how my disc behaves:
>
> 11:06 -- Guitar solo starts (I personally don't consider the stuff
> right before to really be part of the solo, but whatever)
> 11:31 -- the glitch occurs
> 11:49 -- the solo stops.
> etc...
I have a very old copy of Tyger. It definitely does _not_ have this
'glitch'.
> When I think about it, it seems like the glitch could be in the master,
> not the disc, since it sounds like a quick, high pitched squeak. The
> only times I've heard a sound like that was whenever I don't do a clean
> punch-out and back in between songs when I record a collection of songs
> onto tape. So it at least *sounds* like a glitch on an analog master.
-snip-
> > I agree about the intro to 'Alchemy' but I don't agree about hiss and
> > pops. I think you just have a bad CD from a bad production run.
> >
> That is a most reasonable explanation, Mark. I also appreciate the info
> on the process of pressing CD's. Believe it or not, in my ignorance I
> always thought that unless different master tapes were used, any two
> copies of a CD were virtually identical. I see now that is not the
> case!
***
I have several CDs that weren't prep'd properly -- they had white
streaks and 'cloudiness' about them. After 10 years or so, they don't
play anymore -- too many errors for the error correction to 'fix' on the
fly. The cloudiness is aluminum oxide, the aluminum equivalent of
rust. CDs are supposed to be made in clean rooms, but some are not so
clean and the aluminum plating (sputtered actually, I think) gets
contaminated. Gradually, the contamination 'eats' the aluminum. Now I
don't buy a CD that looks that way. Another handy tip: the CD ROM in my
computer doesn't have any built in error correction. It relies on
software to do it. When I play an audio CD there is no software running
to make the corrections, so every flaw is heard. I've actually heard
CDs going bad over the period of just a couple of years. When the CD
gets so bad that my CD ROM can't track, I make a CDR of it. CDRs and
'Audiophile' CDs (Moble Fidelity, etc.) are dark yellowish-green because
they are made of gold instead of aluminum. Gold is much more stable.
Whereas the regular aluminum CDs are estimated to have a maximum
lifespan of 20 years, the gold ones are guaranteed for 100 years. There
are a couple of interesting (or sad) aspects of this. First, maybe we
should have kept all those LPs afterall. Second, long after Edgar's CDs
have all turned to aluminum oxide dust, CDR bootlegs will still be good
as new giving anthropologists in the 22nd century a listen to our music
-- pirates as keepers of the culture! :-)
> So, not all copies of Tyger have this damn glitch on London. This leads
> to the biggest head scratcher to me -- why did Edgar edit out that
> specific spot on the DRC version of the track? I would assume he'd get
> the best quality master possible for the box set, and obviously there
> is a better master out there (assuming the glitch is on the master)
> than the one used for my copy...
Perhaps someone ruined the master after my CD was made and before yours
or DRC were done. People make mistakes -- a momentary hit on a record
button... shit happens. It's sad. You'd think that with all the
technology available _anything_ can be fixed -- it's just a matter of
time and work, but not everybody is willing to put the effort out. Give
me your address and I'll make a cassette of my Tyger and send it to
you. If you indeed hear the difference (in what you _don't_ hear
actually) then perhaps a CDR is in order, eh?
> Now we need to put this puppy to bed (quoting the same teacher), except
> for the DRC version question (and don't anybody tell me that it is not
> like that on their copy, or I'll scream! ;-) ).
-snip-
> Humbly,
> Dave Brewer
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news about our precious CDs, but I don't
think there will be anything left to pass on to our kids, or to listen
to in our old age. Ah well, maybe o(+> will survive to be reissued in
the next technology but I don't think TD will -- not popular music you
know.
-- Mark (I feel like having a drink right now. How 'bout you? Damn, I
don't have any country music. Guess I'll have to cry sober.)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 7:25
pm
Subject: Re: sch guys--what about kk?/Rumple. w/o K. Turner
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 09:29 AM 2/25/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Really-From: ' teiwaz barana'
>Why not include Klaus Krieger--isn't he the drummer on FM--one of the more
>popular albums from the virgin years?
Yeah, but let's not talk about how out of sync his drumming on Force Majeure
is. Don't get me wrong, every single bit of drumming on Force Majeure is
great, but it's not in sync with the song. I'm surprised Edgar didn't move
the drumbeats around on the Tangents versions...
Morgan
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 7:31
pm
Subject: Sch... (and other?) Guys
Really-From: Vic Rek
At 09:29 AM 2/25/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Really-From: ' teiwaz barana'
>
>If you're going to include
>
>1. Conrad Schnitzler
>2. Steve Schroyder
>3. Klaus Schulze
>
>Why not include Klaus Krieger--isn't he the drummer on FM--one of the more
>popular albums from the virgin years?
>
Sure we can include Klaus (which is the right last name spelling?) Kr??ger
for a week. I guess we'd be reviewing 'The Collection' a CD compilation
from his two albums or the two albums themselves. Does anybody have his
single???
We are almost back to the complete list of artists that had major/minor
contributions. Anybody want to vote on including a week for Steve Jolliffe
and a week for Michael Hoenig to round it off since these guys have solo albums?
Vic
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 7:28
pm
Subject: Re: Get a good laugh :-)
Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
On Feb 25, 1:31pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Re: Get a good laugh :-)
> Really-From: sean
>
>
>
>
> That Jerome - what a wacky guy.
>
>
> Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
> http://www.topix.com/~sean
>
> 'I used to be indecisive,
> but now I just don't know'
>
>
>-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list
For the benefit of those who, like me, are disallowed access to the web...
-- what is in there anyway? --
(the world wonders)
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Some Data About TDI International Releases
Really-From: Steven Feldman
Howdy All,
I just received a copy of the version of TURN OF THE TIDES with
'Story of the Brave' on it, and was surprised to find that it is from
1996! In fact, while the catalog number for the UK edition of THE DREAM
MIXES is TD1001CD, the number for what I have is TD1003CD, which,
in turn, implies that the number for the UK TYRANNY OF BEAUTY the one
with 'Quasar') would be TD1002CD. To make a long story short, what I
have is a UK CD, even though the person who sold it to me thought it was
an Austrian pressing (all UK 'TDI International' CDs are pressed in
Austria [as far as I've been able to figure], as are many UK CDs, it
seems).
To make a short story long, here's some of the distinguishing
characteristics of the version of TURN OF THE TIDES that has 'Story of
the Brave' tacked onto it:
o A round white sticker on the jewel case reads 'PICTURE DISC EDITION
LIMITE'E'
o The top right of the paper insert reads 'INCLUDES BONUS-TRACK STORY
OF THE BRAVE'
o Insert is sone sheet folded in half (not a stapled booklet)
o Disc say it's 'Made in Austria', has the number 'TD1003CD', and
says 'c 1996 TDI Music'
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty.
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
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+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 8:02
pm
Subject: Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_
Really-From: centaur@c... (Anthony G. Francis, Jr.)
> Really-From: PNaunton@a...
> 17-Feb-1997
> Tangerine Dream
> 'Tyranny Of Beauty'
>
> On the opening of 'Catwalk', after the introduction of chorus-like
> voices and shortly before the tune really gets going, there is a strange
> sound; a heavily distorted jangle of noise which sweeps back and forth
> between the speakers momentarily, before vanishing as suddenly as it emerged.
> It sounds like a mistake, but I really don't think so. It doesn't fit in
> the mix, in my opinion. It shows up later in the track, too. Aside from
> this aberration, I like this tune.
I actually like that swishing noise; I think it adds to the imagery of
the piece. 'Catwalk' to me tells a story, and I can bend the image in
many ways to make tell different stories. With the exception of 'S95'
and 'BICT', the rest of the album doesn't have the same kind of power.
> 'Stratosfear 1995' is a pretty good cover, but, taken on its own
> terms, it does not have the endearing qualities of the original. I like it, I
> suppose, because it takes me back a ways.
My favorite TD track. Having played both the original and the '95
version over and over again, I think the new version is best viewed as
a different song using the same theme... the opening is particularly
powerful to me.
> 'Bride In Cold Tears' - - I may be sorely mistaken, but this seems
> like a preview of 'Dream Mixes'. There are alot of DJ type interjections in
> this tune; a smattering of freely spewed samples to spice up the mix. This
> seems to be a Jeromeo signature. None-the-less, there is something I like
> about this tune.
This also tells a story; the interjections and samples keep it moving,
make it flexible...
> So, three (GOOD TRACKS) out of nine isn't bad. Definitely not
> memorable, though.
>
> Phil Naunton
I agree with that ... one good and two really standout tracks, and
then six remaining 'OK' pieces... but for me the good tracks are so
good that it's one of my favorite TD albums.
-Anthony
--
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Georgia Institute of Technology | and half horse and to dwell in the
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Phone: (404) 894-5612 | 2: nickname for this AI grad student
Net: centaur@c... - http://www.cc.gatech.edu/ai/students/centaur/
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 8:15
pm
Subject: Re: Get a good laugh :-)
Really-From: sean
> For the benefit of those who, like me, are disallowed access to the web...
> -- what is in there anyway? --
The text reads:
Edgar & Jerome after listening to a 1 hour lecture from a jurassic guy
about: 'Why 'Zeit' is the best TD album!!'
This is accompanied with animated .gif images of the pair, with a morphing
effect that twists their faces into cheesy smiles.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'For dark is the suede
that mows like the harvest'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 9:29
pm
Subject: Re: Kiew Mission question (2)
Really-From: rob essers
>
>Really-From: slawlor
>
>
>Hi there. Does anyone know what kind of keyboard tangerine dream is
>using for the melody of the last part of kiew mission? I think they use
>a similar kind of keyboard in song of the whale 1 and 2, but the sound is
>more qiry instead of moog sounding like in the former track. Thanks for
>the information.
>
>
>scott K. Lawlor
>http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor
>
>
The sounds came from The PPG wave 2.2 and the Waveterm . I think they had
a prerelease, the year the PPG wave 2.2 came out was 1982.
These sounds of the last part of kiew mission are the scanning of a
wavetable.
For me EXIT is THE album were TD have a perfect sound. A milestone in
electronic music.
Rob Essers - robessers@i...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Feb 25, 1997 10:16
pm
Subject: Re: sch guys--what about kk?/Rumple. w/o K. Turner
Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> Yeah, but let's not talk about how out of sync his drumming on Force
Majeure
> is. Don't get me wrong, every single bit of drumming on Force Majeure is
> great, but it's not in sync with the song. I'm surprised Edgar didn't
move
> the drumbeats around on the Tangents versions...
Do you know why all those old records, especially FM are such classics.
Because they are *not* in sync.
Marcel
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 12:54
am
Subject: Re: 'GREATEST HITS' Would Outsell Legit TD Compilations
Really-From: David Datta
In article <5ev0ed$a55$1@n...> you wrote:
: Really-From: Steven Feldman
: Let me clarify: a pirate (as opposed to a boot) is something that
: infiltrates and is sold in legit record outlets and/or chains. Granted,
: these outlets and/or chains do not constitute 'the legit music industry'
: per se insofar as legit PR departments and legit distributors would be
: out of the loop, but still . . .
Never happen. The distribution channels in the music industry are waaay
too centralized to allow a pirate to be distributed in the way you are
proposing. I would say at least 90% of the music stores in the USA
purchase only from one of 10 major distributors.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 2:12
am
Subject: Re: 'GREATEST HITS' Would Outsell Legit TD Compilations
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 06:54 PM 2/25/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Really-From: David Datta
>
>
>Never happen. The distribution channels in the music industry are waaay
>too centralized to allow a pirate to be distributed in the way you are
>proposing. I would say at least 90% of the music stores in the USA
>purchase only from one of 10 major distributors.
Great, now we know who's mail departments to mysteriously *add* boxes of CDs
to... Just 10 companies? Awesome, let's form a task force of people to each
sneak into these distributors and do a little switching...
Morgan
feldon@n...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 3:02
am
Subject: Checkpoint Charley
Really-From: Vic Rek
Does anybody have this movie?
'Checkpoint Charley' - with Edgar Froese as an actor??
This is german. Froese plays a minor part and can be seen from time to time.
Music by Kraan. Unknown year of recording. No TD music.
Can anyone provide additional information?
Vic
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 3:14
am
Subject: Plus ca change...(HUGE POST-MISS IT AT YOUR PERIL!)
Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Sincere apologies to those who have seen some of this before, and to those
who will see it again, I'm sure...
To those of you who find it sport to play 'slag the band' for their current
work...IT IS THE NATURE OF PROGRESSIVE MUSIC TO PROGRESS! HENCE THE NAME!
Not all of the possible...er...'tangents' may be in your particular taste.
But that is entirely beside the point! EVERYONE has an opinion, and has the
right to express it. BUT...'It is better to keep silent and be thought a
fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.' Opinions stated as fact,
especially generalities based on 'feelings', are arrogant and ultimately
self-defeating. Music is one of the most sublimely subjective experiences
in life. You either 'get it', or you don't. To catagorically state that
'this or that sucks', without the modifier 'in my opinion' only reveals the
speakers' arrogance, IMHO. ; ) As an artist myself, I do try to create
images (and more recently, sounds) that I consider to be worthy to be
experienced. BUT...ultimately, the decision to what I do is mine alone,
irregardless of what others may think. Creating _in and of itself_ is the
reward. Accolades and mammon are nice, but ultimately false rewards. As
Edgar so aptly put it; '...the usual judgements made from the critics'
perspective are valueless...(the fans') expectations or wishes never had
any influence on the compositions. Or could you imagine, that the contents
of a diary correspond to the quality of paper it is written on?' This is
not to shut off discourse about which album or what era or style is your
favorite or most 'creative', but it should help everyone realize that it
doesn't matter whether you like it or not; if it's not to your liking, then
take it back and move on. I personally will not waste time arguing with
anyone who states 'this sucks', it only gives the other person a platform
upon which to spout off; and with very few exceptions, no one's mind is
changed. The shocking level of ignorance displayed recently regarding TD's
so-called lack of creativity, or that Edgar or Jerome simply can't cut it,
is truly sad. YOU ARE NOT EDGAR OR JEROME, THERFORE, YOU ARE IN NO POSITION
TO SPEAK FOR THE BANDS' OUTPUT _OUTSIDE_ OF YOUR OWN SUBJECTIVE OPINION!!!
Critics with far more...er...'wit and wisdom' have been writing the bands'
epitaph for years! They are just as wrong! Face it, people; TD _IS_ Edgars'
band, always has been, always will be. True, it is a collaborative effort
with other musicians' within the group, _while_ they're in the group, but
the constant and the vision is Edgar. And I'm sure eventually the torch
will be passed and Jerome will carry on with _his_ vision for TD. The fact
is, Edgar will continue to create according to his vision for as long as he
can; whether you like it or not makes NO difference! If you wish to engage
in 'mental masturbation', showing how 'clever' you are in trashing whatever
doesn't fit into your world view, be my guest. As for myself, I am a fan of
the ENTIRE output of the band, from _Electronic Meditation_ through
_Oasis_, and I can easily see the developmental and creative thread that
ties them all together. I eagerly await the next direction, whatever it may
be, that the band...Edgar...takes!
Speaking of 'tangents'...
IT IS THE ARTISTS' PRIVILEDGE TO DO AS HE OR SHE WISHES WITH THEIR WORK!
As an artist, I completely concur with Edgar's decision to remix/rerecord
the material. No piece of work is perfect, or truly finished, from an
artists' standpoint. These are not epistles from God we're talking about
here! They are simply expressions of the experienced subjective reality of
Edgar and Co. As such, they are open to interpretation on all levels by
everyone who encounters them. INCLUDING THE CREATORS! If Edgar chooses to
reinterpret these works, that is his right; in some cases, it is his
responsibility to do so. _Tangents_, _Book of Dreams_, _Dream Roots_ and,
BTW, _Solo: 74-79_, are all examples of an artist who continually strives
to offer new ideas and fresh direction, even when revisiting what has come
before. I don't know about the rest of you, but collections and
compilations are usually the last items of an artists' oevure that I buy,
if at all (see below). The overwhelming majority are assembled by the label
without bothering to ask the artist, often haphazardly put together with no
sense of continuity (or history, for that matter...) and always lacking
that 'one favorite song'. The fact that Edgar, and now Christoph, were
asked to assemble these items alone is a major miracle. He didn't want to
do it at all when originally asked by Virgin (and later Castle). Had Edgar
ultimately turned Virgin down when asked to do _Tangents_, we would've been
given another _Dream Sequence_; they were going to do a compilation with or
without him. The constant bitching about _Tangents_ really makes me boil!
Did I miss something, or is this just too simple...THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL
STILL EXISTS!! It's not as if by releasing _Tangents_ or _Dream Roots_ the
other albums disappeared! If you hadn't bothered to read the liners or
various interviews given at the time, then allow me to relay the following:
precisely _because_ the originals were still available, Edgar decided to
rework the material, to not only offer new insight and in some cases new
life to the originals, but also to offer something back to the fans! You
may not like what was done to your precious songs; fine, then, take it back
and put on your well worn copies. I'm sorry, but I feel that in some cases
the revisions transcend the originals completely. Sure, some don't _seem_
to work, but then again, I'm not the composer so I'm in no position to
judge the ultimate decision as to what was done. I merely have to accept it
or not. The above holds true for _BoD_ and _DR_ as well. You know, I don't
seem to recall ANYONE yelling about _Solo: 74-79_ when it was released. In
fact, I've never encountered a negative reaction to it at all. Curious.
After all, 12 years before the 'what the hell is Edgar doing' crowd spewed
forth their diatribes, Edgar had essentially given us 'Tangents Beyond the
Storm'! And nobody blinked!! Maybe some of you don't have this particular
LP, so you weren't aware of this tendancy of his. And let's not forget the
'Monolight' single! This only reinforces my belief that some are more prone
to prove their ignorance rather than proof their 'facts'!
TO those who would suggest that TD has to balance what they wish to create
with what the fans want to hear,...no, they do NOT have to balance
anything! We are all individuals, and as such, we all experience life in a
fashon unique to us. This most emphatically concerns the subjective nature
of any art-form. It is ENTIRELY up to the artist to interpret his/her
reality through his/her subjective filters and create his/her offering! It
is ENTIRELY up to you as an individual to accept or reject what is offered!
There are, to be sure, base considerations to be addressed, but really only
as concerns marketing (i.e: what label is going to release this offering to
the public...if any!) You cannot, however, create art based upon focus
groups and marketing! That's called advertising, which is something that I
do for a living.
Now to the deeper mystery. True Art is not merely a pretty picture or a
pretty melody. True Art is far more sublime...and subversive. It should not
only represent, it should stimulate, inspire...and even provoke (not for
it's own sake, though). To try to imply that an artist should be concerned
with 'brand equity', or to compare art to an auto is superficial nonsense!
To look at any artwork as mere product reduces the soul immesurably.
Perhaps no better example to this is MIchelangelo. He was a sculptor by
trade, and created the most beautiful statuary and reliefs known to man. He
was also an architect (later in life), and gave us St. Peters in Rome. He
was at last a painter, and though he felt that his talent here was
secondary, he gave us the Sistine Chapel Ceiling, perhaps the most
transcendant painting ever done. It was also _not_ what his patron
expected. Had he listened to Pope Julius, his 'public', the result would
have been diametrically different. Instead, he listened to another Voice,
and changed forever the face of art. This is not to compare TD to
Michelangelo, of course, but to support the ideal that they both aspire to.
The expectations are all your own, and will ultimately be satisfied by
nothing.
And now for_another_history lesson...
Some have argued that TD is not the exclusive creation of Edgar Froese, and
question the ethics of unilaterally altering the original songs, allegedly
'diminishing' the contributions of the other members.
Tangerine Dream was founded by Edgar Froese in 1967. This was two years
before Klaus Schulze, four years before Christoph Franke, five years before
Peter Baumann, thirteen years before Johannes Schmoelling, nineteen years
before Paul Haslinger and twenty-three years before Jerome Froese became
_members_of_his_band_. Without Edgar THERE IS NO TANGERINE DREAM! This is
not to diminish or minimize the talents or contributions of the above list;
as I said in my original post '...it is a collaborative effort with other
musicians' within the group, _while_ they're in the group, but the constant
and the vision is Edgar.' His decision to rework the band's earlier
material is ENTIRELY within his purview! Unless you are privy to
information as to who played what synth/sequence, your assertion as regards
the ethics and unfairness of Edgar's decisions on the remixed/additional
performance material is ludicrous! Since with these tracks, most (in some
cases all) of the original song remains, just who's contributions are being
minimized? As for the re-performances, again, your argument is flawed. Yes,
the song is a new version, and yes, in some cases it has been completely
transformed! BUT IN ESSENCE IT IS STILL THE SAME SONG! All that is
intangible about any of these songs REMAIN in the new versions! They are
merely hidden facets on the same gem, newly revealed. And since these new
versions are still recognizable as to their source, again, unless you know
who played/composed which section, your statement is wrong. And, no, the
various contributors to the original tracks do not have to be consulted in
any way as regards their reuse. VERY simply put: what was CREATED by the
band, stays WITH the band, to be used BY the band, no matter _WHO_ is in
the band. Once you leave ANY collaborative situation that remains an
ongoing concern, with EXTREMELY few exceptions (mostly regarding royalties)
your input is over! They chose to leave, or were asked to, so why do you
think they should have ANY say as to what happens with the GROUPS' efforts?
Allow me to elaborate...
1) Live versions of older material, and the lack of whining. I've been to
three different shows ('86, '88 and '92), and have spoken to a great number
of fans regarding these and other years' shows I (we) have on tape. NOT
ONCE have I heard anything REMOTELY like what I've heard regarding the
remixes!! And yet, some of the mixes are actually the live versions of
these 'sacred classics'! Folks, let me tell you, Edgar (and Chris and
Johannes for that matter) sure didn't ask Peter if they could change
Stratosfear, Betrayal, Phaedra, Cloudburst Fight, etc..., when they
reworked them for the various tours AFTER Peter left! Nor did Edgar, Chris
or Paul ask Johannes the 'question', and so on down the list. And you know
what? The audiences (including some of you, I hope) LOVED THEM!!! Either
that, or the persons responsible for making the fantape(s) added the loud
cheering during these pieces! And don't try and say that it's different for
'live' performance versus 'studio' performance. That's a spurious position
at best, as a moment's careful thought regarding the nature of this genre,
and the general nature of composition will reveal.
2) Chris' own 'Tangents' tendancies. Does anyone on the 'let's bash Edgar'
commitee recall the title of Christoph's first post TD release? More to the
point, do you remember where_it came from? I'll give you a hint...it wasn't
solely original to Chris! It was 'Vermillion Sands', a track from the
Europe leg of the '86 Tour. But it was..._altered_! And it was done WITHOUT
EDGAR'S OR PAUL'S INPUT! Hmmmmmmmm. And how about his 'Requiem for the
Line' from _Babylon 5_, or should I say, 'In Julie's Eyes', which
was...er..._borrowed_ from the _Miracle Mile _ soundtrack (and may I add,
his name appears nowhere on that CD!) And let's not forget the remix of
'Dolphin Dance' on 'The London Concert', or the excerpts from 'Betrayal'
and 'Cloudburst Fight'! Granted, these are only a small number
comparatively, but 'a little leaven leavens the whole'. If it is wrong for
Edgar to do it, it is JUST as wrong for Chris to do it. Although from what
many of you say, Christoph can do no wrong. Hmmmmmmmmm. And please, DO NOT
infer from the above that I think any ill of Christoph. No criticism was
implied, READ CAREFULLY!
3) Michelangelo's understudies. Back to the Renaissance. Every great artist
had in his employ numerous understudies to assist with their work in some
fashion. Some of these understudies went on to become masters in their own
right (look 'em up, I won't say who!) Michelangelo had hired five men to
assist him to paint the Sistine ceiling, and they all worked with him for a
time. However, they were all...er..._let go_, and Michelangelo completely
erased what they had done and started anew. In it's execution, they were
part of a collaborative effort, yet the 'founder' completely recast their
'contributions'. Is the ceiling any less for this fact? I hardly think so.
Sure, the assistants' weren't the equal of Michelangelo, but they were
talented in their own right. Yet their vision didn't agree with
Micelangelo's vision, and it is his vision that mattered. The same holds
for TD and Edgar. It is his vision, and no matter who comes and goes, his
vision will be served.
Moving right along...
The confusion about what material can appear on which label compilation is
easy to resolve. Virgin owns the publishing rights to the '74-'83 (Virgin
Years) material; Castle owns the rights to the '70-'73 (Pink Years) and
'84-'87 (Blue Years) material; Windham Hill now owns the rights to the
'88-'90 (Melrose Years) material; and Miramar owns the rights to the
'92-'95 (Seattle Years) material. The various soundtracks are owned by the
respective studios and licensed out to whatever label cares to negotiate
for them. Each of the above labels makes a tidy sum off sales of their
respective albums, and has no need to license any portion out to others.
They have no desire to help their _competitors_ make money, thank you very
much! While individual tracks can and do end up on off label, multi-artist
collections, you won't find Private issuing a collection with any Castle
material, or Miramar doing the 'Virgin/Seattle Years', etc. The sdtk.
exceptions on 'Tangents' notwithstanding, as they were licensed from the
studios. So unless Edgar starts buying back the rights, we won't be seeing
'Tatort' beside 'Ultima Thule' or 'Dolphin Dance' on the same CD... unless
it's a boot (which, by the way, is one reason they exist!) As some of you
may recall, thats why the forever rumored compilation video has never
surfaced, and why a video of the '90 Europe tour was cancelled: too many
companies wanted too much for the publishing rights to the material.
Furthermore, TD doesn't need the money! In fact, royalties for compilations
are lower than real albums, even though TD's sell _extremely_ well for this
genre! Don't forget, they are still consultants with a number of synth
manufacturers, so there's not much equipment they actually have to buy.
Plus, if Edgar _were_ hard up for cash, he'd just swallow hard and do more
sdtk. work!
And while I'm at it, just how large a fan base do you suppose TD has? Their
largest selling album to date, Dream Mixes, has yet to go Gold (500,000).
Their average _major label_ release sells between 75,000 and 125,000 on
average! The majority of these purchases are to casual collectors and
fickle fans, who wouldn't know 'Ultima Thule' from a hole in the ground.
Most fans don't bother with compilations. This list, to which it can be
safely assumed that we are all die-hard fans, has slighly less than 400
members. Most of us lurk, and out of the 50 or so 'usual suspects' who
regularly post, it seems that a sizeable minority _don't_ purchase
everything that's out there. So where do you even get the faintest clue
that your 'UberCollection' would outsell _any_ TD release even 1.5/1? Face
it, just because you've met a few other people who can all _talk_ as loud
in this small little room, with the same desire to own everything out there
that you have, doesn't mean that there are teeming masses to do the same!
Go to any music retailer, hang out for a while, and get a clue.
I know that once again, I'm coming on strong. But such is the depth and
breadth of feeling inspired in me by music in general, and this band in
particular. Get over it, people; your favorite era/lineup is history,
please don't soil it with your angst-ridden diatribes. You only serve to
polarize opinion, hardly a worthwhile effort considering it tends to draw
attention away from the nature of music...or (most) art. At least that's my
VHO. I could be wrong.
goozer
P.S: For those who don't speak French, the subject header reads 'The more
that things change, the more that they remain the same.'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 10:23
am
Subject: thanks
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves
>Subject: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, timewind
[...]
Matt,
Thanks for the response and MUCH appreciated information about the miramar
singles and oasis LD.
BTW can I put in a humble request for a re-issue of 'Voices'??!
cheers (or as my 19 m/o son says 'shearz')
lars
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Re: Mill Valley LoaRT
Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...>
>>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
'Love On A Real Train' has been part of four different concert
programs, as follows; '83 Polish Tour, '87 Berlin 750th Anniversary
Concert, '90 UK Tour, and '92 North American Tour. It may also have been
featured in the one-off Mill Valley Film Festival concert of Nov. 15, 1986,
I am awaiting a tape of the show to confirm this.<<
I attended the Mill Valley Film Festival show and can tell you for SURE that
Love on a Real Train was played. The scenes from the movie were projected
overhead during the performance. Way Cool!!! It is my strongest memory of the
event. Also played was 'Diamond Diary'. Can't remember the rest, but I think
some stuff from Legend was also played. TD played for approximately 40 minutes.
Although there were several excellent live acts including a rocking band
featuring Stuart Copeland, Stanly Clarke, and Adrian Belew, by my estimation,
and also by all other accounts of the event, TD stole the show. The band was
Froese, Franke, Haslinger in absolutely top form.
I asked in the TDIFC question and answer section why the band doesn't perform
some of their soundtrack material in concert with the corresponding scenes from
the movie projected overhead. It is very powerful this way. The answer was that
the band would love to be able to do this, but there is a problem with 'rights'.
If a tape of this show exists, and you get a tape of it, I would appreciate it
if you would e-mail me privately so that we can arrange a trade. :-)
>>Bob<<
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Re: Re Sickening TANGENT-izing
Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...>
>>Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Ducking for Cover'
I'm tired of the fact that there are upteen 'greatest hits'
packages for TD--none of which I would recommend to anyone wishing to
try the band out for the first time. The fact that all of them are
transparent marketing ploys merely to sell product for one particular
publisher is what sickens me. A true greatest hits sorta thing would
include the tracks that count unaltered, in their original form....Paying $40+
for one new
CD is annoying enough, but to have a sampler that is not a sampler
because is it a remix fest rather than a real sampler is obnoxious.
-- Steven Feldman and
<<
Personally, I have had no problem with Tangents and Dream Roots. I have no
interest in 'samplers' but I do have an interest in new interpretations by the
artist. I also disagree with the 'Marketing Ploy' characterization of these
releases. Personally, I go along with the idea that it was a genuine effort by
Edgar to give fans their moneys worth. I feel I got my mine.
The real problem that I have is the fact that there are literally hours of
material that was performed live by TD that has never been released. And,
performed live, some of the older released material is different and sometimes
'better'. I would very much prefer that if TD is mining the vaults that some
old concerts be released. I have noted that a number of TD fans on this list are
also King Crimson fans, and I would say that what Robert Fripp is doing with
with Crimson's older material is EXACTLY what I would wish to see from TD. For
those who are not Crimson fans, King Crimson is also a band with many 'eras'
dating back to 1968. A 4 CD set of the bands material from one era has already
been released. A 4 CD set from another era will be released shortly. A concert
which was particularly memorable is in preparation for release later this year.
Robert Fripp has requested that fans who possess fan tapes which they think are
particularly worthy should send them to his company for copying and return, no
questions asked. He will consider this material for release if worthy to his
ears. (This even though he has a very strong ethic against fan taping)
Fans of King Crimson, of which I am one, are blessed. But I can't help but wish
for Edgar to take on a similar project.
>>Bob<<
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 11:45
am
Subject: New Day (was: Sickening TANGENT-izing)
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...>
-snip-
> The real problem that I have is ...
-snip-
Bob. I'd like to elaborate on a point Goozer made so elequently and
that deserves repeating but perhaps from another perspective. Edgar has
made a point of stating a number of times, both in speech and in print,
that he does not listen to his critics or his fans. He considers his
self-imposed isolation an integral part of his creative ethic. That's
the way it is. There's nothing we can do about it.
** Please Read On **
Personally I'd love to see a chat period each week during which we could
submit questions and ideas directly to the Froese family, but that just
isn't going to happen. There is a place for these messages at the
tadream web site, and though I know it's not very satisfying to be held
at arm's length, that's the only channel provided by the Froese family
and Tadream Productions. When we submit a post to this list, we should
all think about what we write and how it will affect the list.
** The Most Important Thing **
To me, the most important thing is this: is the post I'm about to make a
call to action? -- Does it contain something people can do something
about? A request for a track list, or a review, or a memory are
examples of things that fellow listees can act on. But a statement
about what Edgar should do is not something that anyone on this list can
do anything about. Lacking any realistic 'action' statement, such a
post sounds like simple complaining. And I'm sure that like the rest of
us, you don't like to be around people who complain a lot.
Such ineffective complaining is damaging this list and driving away new
members -- people who come here to get questions answered, to share TD
experiences, to be part of the only thing around that passes for a TD
international fan club.
Please, everyone, be considerate to your fellow list members and think
before you post. In the long run we will all be happier and get more
accomplished.
Thanks for the bandwidth -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 1:21
pm
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream filmography
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-02-24 23:52:55 EST, you write:
<< Hi everyone,
Here's a bit more complete list of movies featuring music by Tangerine
Dream. >>
Great research. I hope you don't mind if I copy it to my TD
(personal) discography file. There is some information here which I have
never come across before. Thanks again.
Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 2:37
pm
Subject: D: Tyranny of Beauty
Really-From: PhilPDX@a...
I'm trying to figure out why I like this disc so much. 4AS, the only
Jerome-era TD that I rate above a 3AS.
I think it's because the disc has great 'anchor' songs at the beginning,
middle and end. Catwalk is the very best TD effort in the last several
years, IMO. I just really like the energy of this song. And Stratosfear
1995 is a powerful reworking of the original, though I still love the
original, of course. They really each stand on their own merits. And Largo
is a beautiful piece, though it is a little flat sounding without a real
orchestra. In between there are some nice gems, too. I really like the
first 5 tracks a lot. Though it has a new age feel, Blonde in the Park of
Attractions is really a great number. The disc does drop off for me a lot
after SF1995 - too much of the signature Jerome-era style for me, with the
guitars so overly prevalent as in other recent efforts. Again this is all
IMO.
Phil D.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 9:35
pm
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #846
Really-From: ashok prema
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:14:09 -0500
>Subject: Plus ca change...(HUGE POST-MISS IT AT YOUR PERIL!)
>
>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
>
>Sincere apologies to those who have seen some of this before, and to those
>who will see it again, I'm sure...
>
>To those of you who find it sport to play 'slag the band' for their current
>work...IT IS THE NATURE OF PROGRESSIVE MUSIC TO PROGRESS! HENCE THE
NAME!...........................
>
again, I'm coming on strong. But such is the depth and>breadth of feeling
inspired in me by music in general, and this band in>particular. Get over
it, people; your favorite era/lineup is history,>please don't soil it with
your angst-ridden diatribes. You only serve to
>polariz opinion, hardly a worthwhile effort considering it tends to draw
>attention away from the nature of music...or (most) art. At least that's my
>VHO. I could be wrong.
>
>goozer
>
AAHHHHHHH - a man after my own heart!!! Thanks for repeating to the n'th
degree my sentiments!
Ash
>
>------------------------------
>
>End of tadream-digest V15 #846
>******************************
>
>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 11:43
pm
Subject: A Call to Arms
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
This is a call to arms to those people who do not agree
with the following post :
> Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
> To me, the most important thing is this: is the post I'm about to make a
> call to action? -- Does it contain something people can do something
> about? A request for a track list, or a review, or a memory are
> examples of things that fellow listees can act on. But a statement
> about what Edgar should do is not something that anyone on this list can
> do anything about. Lacking any realistic 'action' statement, such a
> post sounds like simple complaining. And I'm sure that like the rest of
> us, you don't like to be around people who complain a lot.
A Track List - statement of fact
Review - opinion
Memory - personal experience
It appears that what Mark is advocating is a Question and
Answer list, where you either ask a question or post an
answer. No debate. No discussion. Very little opinion. Very
little experience.
There appears to be a high level of intolerance on this
list, especially just lately. I attribute this to two main
factors :
1) Lack of ability to express ourselves adequately. I know
that I am often the worst for writing down what I really
want to say. Sometimes I can't even think of how to say it,
let alone write it. The result is some 'make-do' words
which perhaps don't quite meet the exact intention. And I'm
one of the lucky ones. The list is discussed (usually) in
my native language. It never ceases to amaze me how lucid
and well-spoken (well-written?) some of the non-native
English speaking members can be. This 'language' barrier
(either through writing or native country) can lead to
apparent hostility, complaint or 'whinging' when really all
that was being offered was OPINION.
2) The list seems to have surged with new members over the
last six months or so, resulting in more people either
falling into the above categories or being annoyed by those
who do. There seems also to be a less tolerant attitude to
those who ask 'frequently asked questions'. Comments along
the lines of 'Read the FAQ', 'Read Voices ...', and even
'We've discussed this before (years ago)' have appeared in
the recent past.
The intolerance of others' ideas and opinions seems to be
quickly equated with complaining and moaning, almost purely
because those opinions don't match their own.
> Such ineffective complaining is damaging this list and driving away new
> members -- people who come here to get questions answered, to share TD
> experiences, to be part of the only thing around that passes for a TD
> international fan club.
Changing the list to be a Question and Answer session would
drive me away from the list! This is a discussion forum (I
think - isn't it?) and whilst everyone gains from the
exchange of facts, we also gain insight and valuable
alternative slants on TD-related items through the
(relatively) unmoderated discussions.
We need opinions, and discussion, and eventually that WILL
give rise to dreams (no pun intended), desires and wishes
for the future. Am I not allowed to state that I LIKE
Underwater Sunlight more than Encore? That I WISH they
would do more in the early-eighties style than the
early-nineties? That I ACCEPT that they are artists who do
what they want, and therefore I either buy it or leave?
>
> Please, everyone, be considerate to your fellow list members and think
> before you post. In the long run we will all be happier and get more
> accomplished.
I have given careful consideration to whether I should
write this or not. But in the long run, I would not be
happier comparing the times of Track X on Album Y on Z
label relase with the times of Track X on Album Y on W
label release.
Do I really care if there's a millisecond drop-out on
channel A of song B on album C released by record company D
compared with that on record company E?
No, I DON'T. But I accept it as valid discussion on this
forum.
And if the general consensus is that that is what the list
should be about, then maybe it'll be a poorer place!
> Thanks for the bandwidth -- Mark
Ditto.
ALL MY OWN OPINION, of course.
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi S3I
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
cordrey@m...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 11:58
pm
Subject: Re: sch guys--what about kk?/Rumple. w/o K. Turner
Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:16:47 +0100 tadream mailing list
wrote:
>Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
>
>> Yeah, but let's not talk about how out of sync his drumming on Force
>Majeure
>> is. Don't get me wrong, every single bit of drumming on Force
Majeure is
>> great, but it's not in sync with the song. I'm surprised Edgar didn't
>move
>> the drumbeats around on the Tangents versions...
>
>Do you know why all those old records, especially FM are such
classics.
>Because they are *not* in sync.
>
>Marcel
FM in particular introduces the drums as an instrument in their own right
into TD's music. The drums don't just maintain the beat and give one or
two fancy ba-dom-bom interjections (as is the case, unfortunately, even
in other TD recordings after Krieger and, ultimately, TD's long-time
rhythm section, Chris Franke, had taken their leave). They add
substantial counterpoints to the melody and harmony of the music. They
are not even _supposed_ to be in sync.
Dennis
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 8:04
pm
Subject: Re: sch guys--what about kk?/Rumple. w/o K. Turner
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 06:58 PM 2/26/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
>
>FM in particular introduces the drums as an instrument in their own right
>into TD's music. The drums don't just maintain the beat and give one or
>two fancy ba-dom-bom interjections (as is the case, unfortunately, even
>in other TD recordings after Krieger and, ultimately, TD's long-time
>rhythm section, Chris Franke, had taken their leave). They add
>substantial counterpoints to the melody and harmony of the music. They
>are not even _supposed_ to be in sync.
I hope people aren't misunderstanding what I was saying. I can't imagine
Force Majeure without drums. If only one TD disc could have drums, Force
Majeure is where they belong... I absolutely love the drums on FM. But
honestly, isn't there anyone out in the audience who would agree that it
soulds like Klaus has fallen behind and is 'catching' up with Edgar and
Chris at times?
Morgan
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 8:00
pm
Subject: Sch... (and other?) Guys II
Really-From: ' teiwaz barana'
Dreamers
Really-From: Vic Rek
> Sure we can include Klaus (which is the right last name spelling?)
Kr??ger<
[snip]
>We are almost back to the complete list of artists that had major/minor
contributions. Anybody want to vote on including a week for Steve Jolliffe and
a week for Michael Hoenig to round it off since these guys have solo albums?
<
sp-Krieger would most likely be correct.
Hoenig, yes. Jolliffe, no. HA!
Gee, maybe we should include those that didn't make it to releases--anyone for
Nik Turner? Don't know if a week would be sufficient to cover him except
perhaps in this TD context. ;-)
BTW, I heard that at one time Hawkwind performed some TD material in concert is
this true? any idea what material? or was this drug-induced thinking given
Nik Turner's short-lived TD presence?
--teiwaz
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 10:50
pm
Subject: Re: A Call to Arms
Really-From: 'gerryfox'
----------
> From: tadream mailing list
> To: tadream@c...
> Subject: A Call to Arms
I am one of the newer members to the list and have been 'listening' with
interest to this new discussion on the merits of various contibutions to
the list.
I have found all discussions interesting although not agreeing with all of
them. No matter what the topic, I have found it to be, in the main, well
thought out and in many cases extremely knowledgable in terms of music and
the fine detail of the works of TD. A level which would leave me embarassed
and I have been following the band from 1973.
I for one would not like to see the list fall into a question and answer
session. I value the opinions, and the emotions raised in fellow members
by the music under discussion. After all what is it that music does for us
but affect our emotions. It is good to know that when a piece of music, or
art, affects you in a certain way others are sharing that emotion. There
have been some very eloquent reviews posted on the list since i've been on
it especially on the D: list.
As for the 'technical' input eg which track appears where and how often, I
for one want to see that continue. Although not a rabid completist - no
offense meant - I find these topics interesting as they can prompt me to go
and revisit a recording not heard for years. I'm starting to like Tyger
for goodness sake !
There is nothing wrong - as Craig said - in wishing for more of a certain
style or less of another. That is what helps stimulate discussion and as I
wrote above, at quite a high level. I take the digest version of the
Kraftwerk list and if that is representative of the rest of it - it doesn't
hold a candle to this.
The TD list is fine the way it is. I disagree with Mark's final comments. I
don't think the list is there to get things done - it's a forum for all
fans to air their views and in that respect I disagree with part of
Goozer's posting. What he said is perfectly true -what we have is what we
have, because Egdar and co have made it that way. But we can still discuss
it.
I'm guilty of just lurking a lot but I'll throw my two bob's worth in now
and again.
Thanx for listening
Gerry
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 11:27
pm
Subject: Re: Flamebait: Is RUBYCON.........
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-02-25 11:37:33 EST, you write:
<< I do like BtS as a whole album. I think it showcases
Edgar's core talent as master of the melody. And if I had to pick a favorite
track, the answer would be easy: Magic Lantern. For fans of Edgar's guitar
playing, this track is worth the price of the whole album!
My $0.02 worth...
-Erik Sanborn
esanborn@B...
>>
I may be considered a hard ass for saying this, but what the hell!
Tracks one through four on 'BtS' are the only ones I listen to. The rest is
just so much pap.
OK, so maybe I like 'Drunken Mozart' a bit to but that is it!
Well, 'The Light Cone' isn't really too bad.
*?
You know, Edgar probably needs more conflict in his life. He does
much better work when the is some competition going on. He gets much too
complacent when there is no one else trying to steer the boat. He, he, hee.
Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 11:26
pm
Subject: Re: Checkpoint Charley
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-02-25 22:54:09 EST, Vic writes:
<< 'Checkpoint Charley' - with Edgar Froese as an actor??
This is german. Froese plays a minor part and can be seen from time to time.
Music by Kraan. Unknown year of recording. No TD music.
>>
Is he smiling?
Phil Naunton
P.S. I used to like Kraan. Are they or their music still around?
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 11:29
pm
Subject: Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-02-25 10:49:58 EST, you write:
<< Everyone else, enjoy the music and leave Edgar's
navel alone. -- Mark (it's just music ferchrissake, not high art) >>
But, Mark, is it REALLY music. Certainly TD has aspired to high
art, and, in several cases I can think of, Made It. 'ToB', 'HoF', & 'L'
doesn't aspire to music. They are simply masturbation. The previous, in my,
maybe/maybe not, humble opinion, of course.
Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 11:26
pm
Subject: Re: bonus tracks, videos, oranges don't dream, tim
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-02-25 08:48:58 EST, you write:
<< Now, why on earth would a tape have the exact same thing on both sides?
Me think it is faulty. Anyone have insight on this SNAFU?
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77 >>
They do this with lots of kids tapes. They do it because no matter
how the kid puts the cassette in the player it plays the right side. My
daughter has lots of these, and when she didn't know how to read she was
still able to be somewhat independent in what she was doing. It's also
cheaper than putting different things on each side, and if it's too long,
avoids the problem of having the kid not know how to get back to the
beginning.
Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 11:26
pm
Subject: Re: New Day (was: Sickening .......)
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-02-26 07:04:38 EST, Mark writes:
<< a statement
about what Edgar should do is not something that anyone on this list can
do anything about. Lacking any realistic 'action' statement, such a
post sounds like simple complaining. And I'm sure that like the rest of
us, you don't like to be around people who complain a lot.
Such ineffective complaining is damaging this list and driving away new
members -- people who come here to get questions answered, to share TD
experiences, to be part of the only thing around that passes for a TD
international fan club.
Please, everyone, be considerate to your fellow list members and think
before you post. In the long run we will all be happier and get more
accomplished.
Thanks for the bandwidth -- Mark >>
I wholeheartedly disagree. This is akin to everyone commenting on
how wonderful the Emperor's New Clothes are. It makes no sense. Everyone
has bad days. Everyone makes mistakes. The mistakes and bad days are
deserving of discussion in order to get a fuller understanding of the whole
of Tangerine Dream. To do otherwise is a mockery of free thought and open
speach, not to mention an insult to members of this list.
True, a while ago I posted the same kind of comments as Mark has
done here, but I have had time to rethink it, thanks to some thoughtful posts
by others on this list.
Were not talking about The Holy Grail here. God is not going to
strike us down if we say that we don't care for 'XYZ?'. I am not posting to
Edgar, and have never had the intention of doing so. I am communicating with
other people who I respect more than anybody else, in regards to music
appreciation: this lists members!! They have much more knowledge and
experience with the music of Tangerine Dream than anybody else in the whole
world. Maybe more than Edgar's. Well, I doubt that.
I have learned more about TD in the last year and a half than I
ever thought I needed to know. Every scrap has been pure gold. If I can't
say I don't like some random tune by so-and-so here, where can I say it? If
I can't say that I haven't liked anything TD did between the years 19XX and
19XZ here, where else can I say it. Where else can a group of extremely
competant, knowledgeable, and thoroughly versed people tell me how wrong I
really am? Maybe how right I am?
This has all really happened. The interesting thing is, that it
has all been worth it.
Thank you ALL, for your contributions to this list, even you
annoying little bastards. Keep up the good work!!
Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 12:48
am
Subject: Tangerine Dream and Poetry?
Really-From: Nigel Merrick
Hi All,
This is my first post to this list so I hope it comes through okay. It's
good to see that there are still so many TD fans out there (I've been into
this great band since my late teens, about 18 years I guess).
Anyway, I was discussing with a friend the other week the subject of music
and the images it conjures up, and took the chance to play her 'Goblins'
Club', which she liked. However, there is one piece on that album in
particular which brings to my mind a very vivid scene. I asked her if she
saw anything, and she did but it was different to me of course. But, it was
so vivid that I decided to put it into words...
So, here it is. Poetry inspired by 'Elf June and the Midnight Patrol'...
Biting cold, boots snap on hardened frost
Smoke rising, fighting through chill night air
Soldier squints, aching memory recalled
Of loved ones lost or far away
Marching to the ice-locked beat
Red Square, white and glowing
Stepping out the slow release
Guarding the real killers in the citadel
Burnt-out ash flutters to the boot-marked snow
Soldier pauses on the corner alone
Breath solid in thin air, Soldier makes his turn
To return upon the road he's made in the night
But his path is blocked by a sight unseen
>From the mist Elf June appears before him
To lay a hand upon his troubled brow
The snow is gone, the cold nothing but a memory
A moment only, but the heart is warmed
The soul is fuelled and the spark rekindled
Truth is truth, lies always lies and
Stone walls and wire, human spirit not contain
Elf June recedes, her work now is done
Soldier sighs, resumes his step to the steppes
In the east, dawn reaches her fingers to the clouds
And ice falls from the Kremlin walls.
Just thought I'd share this with you folks. All the very best to everyone,
wherever you are.
Nigel Merrick
St George, Bermuda
nmerrick@i...
http://www.inet-images.com/nigandliz/
'Art is Frozen Zen' - R.H. Blyth
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Feb 26, 1997 11:53
pm
Subject: Logotypes
Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Greetings all.
To answer in brief the many private inquries: in my haste to post my
missive regarding _Logotypes_, I left out one little piece pf critical
info...
I AM NOT THE ONE WHO 'PRESSED' THIS DISC, NOR AM I THE SOURCE FOR THE TAPE!!
I just provided the inlay and booklet art and design. And apparantly, not
everyone got this with their discs. Or maybe, someone is
providing...er...an additional production run, perhaps? Sorry for the
confusion.
goozer
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 1:15
am
Subject: Re: Checkpoint Charley
Really-From: Vic Rek
At 06:26 PM 2/26/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: PNaunton@a...
><< 'Checkpoint Charley' - with Edgar Froese as an actor??
> This is german. Froese plays a minor part and can be seen from time to time.
>
> Music by Kraan. Unknown year of recording. No TD music.
>
> Is he smiling?
I have never seen the video, so I can't tell you. But he may have been
smiling if he was one of the people crossing Checkpoint Charley in the right
direction?
>
>Phil Naunton
>
> P.S. I used to like Kraan. Are they or their music still around?
>
I don't know their music but I have come across some of their releases on CD.
What do they sound like?
Vic
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 2:00
am
Subject: Poor Klaus K...
Really-From: dbrewer@a...
> Quoted From: feldon@n...
>
> I hope people aren't misunderstanding what I was saying. I can't imagine
> Force Majeure without drums. If only one TD disc could have drums, Force
> Majeure is where they belong... I absolutely love the drums on FM. But
> honestly, isn't there anyone out in the audience who would agree that it
> soulds like Klaus has fallen behind and is 'catching' up with Edgar and
> Chris at times?
>
Most human musicians have a more 'floating' sense of time keeping than a
computer does... Okay, they can't keep time perfectly to 20 decimal places,
myself included. I really noticed how 'floating' my drumming is a couple
of weeks back when my band recorded a demo of a song. I tried playing with
a click track, but ended up fighting it all the way! I never had that
kind of trouble playing keyboard, but I guess it's because I don't have
to get all of my limbs into it like with drums. So I said, 'screw the
click!', and it still turned out rather well without it.
So now, I admire Klaus even more, keeping the beat as tight as he did
playing with those infernal sequencers! And I've always liked the combo of
acoustic drums and electronic instruments on FM and Cyclone. Way to go,
Klaus! (I wish he had played on the '92 NA tour like they were originally
planning...)
Dave Brewer
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 2:26
am
Subject: What is this list about? (was Re: New Day)
Really-From: datta@c... (David Datta)
I would like to take this moment to say something about this list and
some of the reasons it was created. I have never directly said what I
hoped would happen on the list before but I think that I should after
reading recent postings and (somewhat upset) reactions.
This list was created to provide a place for people to discuss
Tangerine Dream. It was not created to be a question/answer forum. It
was not created to be a voice-box of the band or any record label. The
list was created 100% without even attempting to contact Tadream
Productions or any other 'official' group.
The only 'editorial' rule of the list is that discussions must be
linked in some way to the members or music of Tangerine Dream.
Discussions are allowed to go off-topic for a time, if they stray too
far for too long, I have had to step in and re-direct things a bit.
While I don't have the time to read everything that flows through the
list, or even to read things every day, I have been reading the list
since it was started. I have to say that I am quite pleased with how
this list has been running, and the general high caliber of the list
membership.
If I were to do as suggested and make this list into a question/answer
forum, a place for posting information only, it would be implimenting
an editorial policy that I have no intention of ever imposing on this
list, or any other discussion list I run. The purpose of this list is
to provide a forum for discussion, not a totalitarian information
exchange.
List members have a wide variety of reasons for joining and different
expectations of what they should get from this list. Gear-hounds want
technical analysis: Was that a PPG sound on blah?; Data-hounds want
release details of the nit-pickiest degree: What are the catalog
numbers for all the releases of blah?; Opinion seekers want to hear
what everyone else thinks about different things: Hey, I really like
this, should I buy blah next? I am sure that there are many other
reasons. To try and twist the list to be the exclusive forum for a
particular type of list member is to try and segment an already pretty
small population. It is also important to remember that these are not
mutually exclusive interests. This is a relatively low-bandwidth list
with a relatively high signal to noise ratio, I think it is not a good
idea to mess with something that is working. If this were an extremely
high-bandwidth list, it might warrant splitting up, but the fact is, it
really isn't working that badly.
} Really-From: Mark Filipak
} Such ineffective complaining is damaging this list and driving away new
} members -- people who come here to get questions answered, to share TD
} experiences, to be part of the only thing around that passes for a TD
} international fan club.
Mark, you assert that 'non-call-to-action' posts about things like I
hate tangents, etc. is 'ineffective complaining.' I think you are
missing one of the things that is most important in a group
discussion. One of the things that I think many list members get from
participating in this forum is a better understanding of the other list
members. Part of understanding others in involves listening and
discussing opinions. If a member makes a statement about how good/bad
a process/album/style of composing is, that tells the rest of the group
something about the member. If you disagree with what someone says
about a style, you may disagree with a later review. Ineffective
complaining is a very effective tool for getting to know someone.
} Thanks for the bandwidth -- Mark
You're welcome.
--
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 4:16
am
Subject: Re: A Call to Arms
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>
> This is a call to arms to those people who do not agree
> with the following post :
>
> > Really-From: Mark Filipak
> >
> > To me, the most important thing is this: is the post I'm about to
> > make a call to action? -- Does it contain something people can do
> > something about? A request for a track list, or a review, or a
> > memory are examples of things that fellow listees can act on. But
> > a statement about what Edgar should do is not something that anyone
> > on this list can do anything about. Lacking any realistic 'action'
> > statement, such a post sounds like simple complaining. And I'm
> > sure that like the rest of us, you don't like to be around people
> > who complain a lot.
>
> A Track List - statement of fact
> Review - opinion
> Memory - personal experience
>
> It appears that what Mark is advocating is a Question and
> Answer list, where you either ask a question or post an
> answer. No debate. No discussion. Very little opinion. Very
> little experience.
I'm sorry I didn't list 'debate' in my not-very-comprehensive list.
Debate is not only welcome, it is essential. But if the only way to
resolve the debate is to convince Edgar of such-and-such, then it is not
debate, it's just bitching.
> There appears to be a high level of intolerance on this
> list, especially just lately. I attribute this to two main
> factors :
> 1) Lack of ability to express ourselves adequately. I know
> that I am often the worst for writing down what I really
> want to say. Sometimes I can't even think of how to say it,
> let alone write it. The result is some 'make-do' words
> which perhaps don't quite meet the exact intention. And I'm
> one of the lucky ones. The list is discussed (usually) in
> my native language. It never ceases to amaze me how lucid
> and well-spoken (well-written?) some of the non-native
> English speaking members can be. This 'language' barrier
> (either through writing or native country) can lead to
> apparent hostility, complaint or 'whinging' when really all
> that was being offered was OPINION.
>
> 2) The list seems to have surged with new members over the
> last six months or so, resulting in more people either
> falling into the above categories or being annoyed by those
> who do. There seems also to be a less tolerant attitude to
> those who ask 'frequently asked questions'. Comments along
> the lines of 'Read the FAQ', 'Read Voices ...', and even
> 'We've discussed this before (years ago)' have appeared in
> the recent past.
>
> The intolerance of others' ideas and opinions seems to be
> quickly equated with complaining and moaning, almost purely
> because those opinions don't match their own.
This is why I posted my opinion that people should use good judgement --
to think before they post. The simple question that should be asked:
'Why am I posting this?' 'What do I expect to happen as a result of
posting this?' When someone posts their opinion, it's to promote
debate. No-one, myself included, has objected to that. But when
someone posts a rant deriding Edgar and his current output of music,
what is the point?
> > Such ineffective complaining is damaging this list and driving away
> > new members -- people who come here to get questions answered, to
> > share TD experiences, to be part of the only thing around that
> > passes for a TD international fan club.
>
> Changing the list to be a Question and Answer session would
> drive me away from the list! This is a discussion forum (I
> think - isn't it?) and whilst everyone gains from the
> exchange of facts, we also gain insight and valuable
> alternative slants on TD-related items through the
> (relatively) unmoderated discussions.
Yes it is and should be a discussion forum. I hope that's clear. I'm
sorry if I gave you any impression that the list should not promote
discussion. But too much on this list does fall into the category of
'ineffective complaining'. Granted that there is a fine line between an
opinion and a complaint. I think that line is crossed when an opinion
becomes a condemnation or when it becomes advice to Edgar and I'm sick
and tired of reading such stuff. I can and do use the delete key, but
the reason I care is that this sort of stuff _is_ having a effect on the
list in general. I have continued to correspond with several people who
have left this list. One of them is a leading e-music
musician/producer/label owner. If I told you who it is your hair would
stand on end. He thinks this list 'extremely anal' to use his very
words. Another person with whom I correspond is a performer and
promoter. He thinks this list is a 'bitch club'. Believe me, these are
the very type of people we need on the TaDream List and all this
incessent complaining and advice to Edgar is driving them away. I
belong to other music lists in related genres. I find none of this
petty sniping on them.
> We need opinions, and discussion, and eventually that WILL
> give rise to dreams (no pun intended), desires and wishes
> for the future. Am I not allowed to state that I LIKE
> Underwater Sunlight more than Encore? That I WISH they
> would do more in the early-eighties style than the
> early-nineties? That I ACCEPT that they are artists who do
> what they want, and therefore I either buy it or leave?
I draw the line at accusations that Edgar did 'Tangents' because he is
greedy, as has been asserted. I draw the line when a simple statement
that a person doesn't like a particular album degenerates into a general
rant about how so-and-so is 'ruining' the band.
> > Please, everyone, be considerate to your fellow list members and
> > think before you post. In the long run we will all be happier and
> > get more accomplished.
>
> I have given careful consideration to whether I should
> write this or not. But in the long run, I would not be
> happier comparing the times of Track X on Album Y on Z
> label relase with the times of Track X on Album Y on W
> label release.
Some people do care about these things.
> Do I really care if there's a millisecond drop-out on
> channel A of song B on album C released by record company D
> compared with that on record company E?
>
> No, I DON'T. But I accept it as valid discussion on this
> forum.
Thank you for acknowledging that these are indeed valid concerns of some
list members.
> And if the general consensus is that that is what the list
> should be about, then maybe it'll be a poorer place!
That's part of what the list is about, but obviously it is not all that
the list is about or should be about. I just hope that in the future
people will think more about what they post and about what their motives
are and what effect they have.
> > Thanks for the bandwidth -- Mark
> Ditto.
>
> ALL MY OWN OPINION, of course.
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
> GEC-Marconi S3I
> Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
>
> E-mail : cordrey@m...
> cordrey@m...
> ---------------------------------------------
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 5:59
am
Subject: Re: What is this list about? (was Re: New Day)
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> datta@c... (David Datta) wrote:
>
> I would like to take this moment to say something about this list and
> some of the reasons it was created. I have never directly said what I
> hoped would happen on the list before but I think that I should after
> reading recent postings and (somewhat upset) reactions.
>
> This list was created to provide a place for people to discuss
> Tangerine Dream. It was not created to be a question/answer forum.
Thank you for your post Dave. And though I know you are not implying
it, just for the record, I did _not_ say that the TaDream list should be
a 'Question and Answer list' -- those were Craig's words, not mine.
That aside, I welcomed Goozer's long posting 'Plus ca change...(HUGE
POST-MISS IT AT YOUR PERIL!)' which I was hoping would finally end the
'Sickening TANGENT-izing' thread. But Goozer's post was followed just 7
hours later by Robert Forman's post to that thread in which he lauded
Robert Fripp and derided Edgar. Well, I guess I just snapped.
With 'New Day (was: Sickening TANGENT-izing)' I tried to present a
positive way to give criticism that has worked elsewhere -- specifically
the 'action expected' approach where one only critisizes when a remedy
can be put into action -- criticism of Edgar's monitary motives or
artistic principles being clearly out of bounds as there is no way to
'actualize' or 'make real' or 'fix' the thing or person being critisized
-- as Goozer pointed out, we are not going to effect Edgar one way or
the other.
Well, my post apparently hit some hot bottons and it blew up. I don't
take back a word of it and I recommend rereading Goozer's post and mine.
But to make it simple, and putting all principles and methods aside, I
guess what is essental and what I ask that everybody who is bashing the
band and Edgar please stop. No more 'Sickening' threads, please.
Regards -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 8:54
am
Subject: Re: Checkpoint Charley
Really-From: Rainer Rutka
On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: PNaunton@a...
>
>
> In a message dated 97-02-25 22:54:09 EST, Vic writes:
>
> << 'Checkpoint Charley' - with Edgar Froese as an actor??
> This is german. Froese plays a minor part and can be seen from time to time.
>
> Music by Kraan. Unknown year of recording. No TD music.
> >>
>
> Is he smiling?
>
> Phil Naunton
>
> P.S. I used to like Kraan. Are they or their music still around?
YES !
You can get most of the CDs in Germnay. The most famous are 'Flyday',
'Live (DoCD)', 'Wiederhoern', 'Let it out' and many more.
If interested, write to rainer@i... for more infos.
Mit den besten Gruessen vom Bodensee !
Rainer Rutka
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 4:55
pm
Subject: D : Tyrrany of Beauty
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
*** Standard Disclaimer Applies - All My Own Opinion ***
I'm trying very hard in this post to restrict myself to the
types of comments that all members of the list are going to
unoffended by (ahem!).
I didn't listen to this album much when it first came out.
I wasn't too keen on it, and I think that was the general
consensus of the vocal few at the time. My feelings toward
the album haven't changed much, although they are perhaps
now more easily identified.
Catwalk (3AS) - This is a reasonable track, although there
are some 'problems' with it (sorry, bits I don't like). The
opening choral effect seems unnecessary and the 'Spanish
Guitar' solo starts well but seems to quickly run out of
steam. I think the track as a whole suffers in my mind
since I much prefer the version on Dream Mixes. Listening
to this again, it sounds much flatter, weaker.
Birdwatcher's Dream (2AS) - I like the opening to this, the first
minute or so until the drums start up. I find the beat a
little too 'challenging' for me. And then there's a little
break, another drum beat section with guitar, a change of
drum and guitar again ... Yeah, there's too much chopping
and changing in this one. There must be about seven
different 'songs' here, all cut and crammed into one track.
Which is really unfortuneate because parts of these small
tracks are quite good.
Little Blond ... (4AS) - I like this one just as much as
the DM version. The two versions, I feel, are quite
different with this one being much slower and
'relaxing'(?). Yeah, I know there are some pretty big
guitars in there in places, but I find the overall effect
peaceful and charming. There's still this 'multi-song'
happening - more chopped bits that a Scottish butcher's
dust-bin. But fr some reason (and this is where my
eloquence lets me down) it seems more flowing than other
attempts - has more continuity between sections.
Living in a ... (3AS) - Quite an uneventful opening, and
nothing really strikes me until the guitar solo some way
into the track. After that, the sax seems quite interesting
too (!). One of TD's occassional 'nice' tracks which
moves me neither way. Is this possibly a ToTT out-take?
Some of the guitar and drum work sounds very similar to
ToTT style. Perhaps written then and recorded later?
Stratosfear (1995) (3AS) - The opening to this is great, but the
crashing drums and then way-too-loud guitar starts to spoil
it. I find it difficult to consider objectively. I always
have to compare it to the original and I think it does fall
short. It's too fast and some of the subtle effects of the
orginal seem to be lost in the rush. Still, the original
was a truly great track so this one had a lot to live up
to.
Bride in Cold Tears (4AS) - This now sounds out of place on ToB.
It seems so natural on DM, even without much remixing. It's
still a good track, of course, but it desn't seem to fit
into the style of the rest of the album (although now I
seem to have said that for two tracks so maybe the album
has not specific style?).
Haze of Fame (1AS) - I'm sorry, but there's something about
this track that irritates the heck out of me. Whether its
the sax, the repeated guitar toward the end or just the
general jumble of percussion and background 'effects', I
don't know. Ugh.
Tyranny of Beauty (2AS) - Again, this does little for me. I
find the guitars too harsh and the whole background too
busy and cluttered. Why can't they go back to nice layered
Largo (1AS) - Classical music in general does very little
for me. (Now I know I'm covering thousands of composers and
hundreds of years of work, but I'm comfortable with the
generalisation, even if some of you aren't). And this does
nothing for me, both musically (i.e I don't like the tune)
or instrumentally (i.e. the 'strings' and the sax gets on
my wick). Can I give this a 0 mark?
So, what does that give me as a total ... 2.55AS. I have no
qualms knocking this down to a 2AS because :
a) they cheated by picking a classic track which was still
pretty good after they tinkered with it
b) some of it is really dire and not enough of it (any of
it?) is really good
c) I'm in a bad mood because of the recent postings.
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi S3I
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
cordrey@m...
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Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 11:00
am
Subject: Would you support a 70's TD today ?
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
Rehi Tadream,
I've just recently acquired a new e-mail account. Hello
to all Tadream members who know me and to those who
don't.
I was thinking about TD this morning as I'm sitting listening
to one of my all-time faves: Encore. Great album, start to
finish, IMO.
What I was wondering, though, was; If a band appeared tomorrow
who produced a '70s sound like Baumann era TD or Timewind era
Klaus Schulze, would there be a big market for it ? Would it be
as popular as the first time round, would it sink without trace,
or would it, in fact, be /more/ popular ?
I would personally be delighted by such a band. What about the
other list members ?
It seems obvious to me that TD will NEVER be that great again.
Grant, hereafter known as :-
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 4:26
pm
Subject: Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ?
Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
On Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:00:00 +0000 tadream mailing list
wrote:
>Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
>
>
>Rehi Tadream,
>
>I've just recently acquired a new e-mail account. Hello
>to all Tadream members who know me and to those who
>don't.
>
>I was thinking about TD this morning as I'm sitting listening
>to one of my all-time faves: Encore. Great album, start to
>finish, IMO.
>
>What I was wondering, though, was; If a band appeared tomorrow
>who produced a '70s sound like Baumann era TD or Timewind era
>Klaus Schulze, would there be a big market for it ? Would it be
>as popular as the first time round, would it sink without trace,
>or would it, in fact, be /more/ popular ?
>
>I would personally be delighted by such a band. What about the
>other list members ?
>
>It seems obvious to me that TD will NEVER be that great again.
>
>Grant, hereafter known as :-
>
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> _.^~~~~~\
> Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d...
> \______/
> /\ /\
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think the statement that TD will 'never be that great again' is somewhat
invalid. The thing is, if they had decided to go on in their 70s style
forever, they would be anything but great, they would just be a fairly
poor copy of themselves. I love the 70s and early 80s TD, but I'd find it
quite inappropriate to have exactly the same stuff again now. A new
group trying to imitate 70s TD would be a group trying to imitate 70s TD,
and no more than that. If that group managed to find a distinctive own
style that might be somewhat reminiscent of 70s TD, things would be
different.
Dennis
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 5:03
pm
Subject: Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_
Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 03:22:00 -0800 tadream mailing list
wrote:
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
>
>
>Anyone who believes any of the above should go back to 'The Lamb
Lies
>Down On Broadway'. Everyone else, enjoy the music and leave
Edgar's
>navel alone. -- Mark (it's just music ferchrissake, not high art)
>
Yes Mark, it's exactly what you say: It's music. And music undoubtedly
is more than a tool or a lump of food. Whenever an artist creates
something, he is implying the notion of a superordinate idea that keeps
the work together as a whole; he may want to make an explicit
statement; or the situation, his mood, and various other contextual
aspects inspire him to create his work in precisely that way and no
other. Normally, it seems to be a mixture of both.
It is quite obvious from TD history and from various statements by
Edgar himself that their music was always trying to adopt the way in
which Dali created his surreal paintings and change the form of output
from oil on canvas to music. Therefore what TD produce is obviously
_music_, but saying that it's _just_ music means treating the whole
medium of music, and TD music in particular, unjustly. Jean Michel
Jarre once said that the principal task of the musician is to inspire his
listener, to evoke moods, feelings, and images in him. This goes just as
well for TD music. It has always been more than an accumulation of
sounds and notes; it is music with some sort of content.
What differentiates us from music-consuming dummies nodding their
head to any uninspired random collection of notes, saying 'that's nice'
and forgetting about it, then, is that we actually try to make sense of the
music, not just in terms of musical structure, running times, instruments
and the like, but also in terms of what that music actually tells us
personally, what implications it has for our own life. I'd be surprised if
TD didn't want their audience to actually _think_ about their music.
The thing about ToB is that the first few pieces on the album definitely
seem to go into one direction, whereas 'Stratosfear 1994' and the
subsequent pieces IMO seem to diffuse into any direction possible (and
I don't seem to be the only person on the list who has that impression).
My question was not what images precisely they might have tried to
evoke, and it certainly was not a criticism in the tradition of 'Why did
they do THAT?'. You could rather read it as a curious 'WHY did they do
that?'.
If the TD mailing list is not the place to discuss interpretations of a
particular TD album, then what is??
Dennis
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 6:58
pm
Subject: Re: D : Tyrrany of Beauty
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>
> Tyranny of Beauty (2AS) - Again, this does little for me. I
> find the guitars too harsh and the whole background too
> busy and cluttered. Why can't they go back to nice layered
The following line was missed out of my original
post : '... oops Caught myself just in time there, I
think.'
Is this the dreaded 'first character a dor - ignore rest of
line' bug/feature with Major-Domo again?
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi S3I
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
cordrey@m...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 1:43
pm
Subject: Klaus Schulze IS Sequenced!
Really-From: Vic Rek
Well I just got in my German copy of Klaus Schulze - Are You Sequenced?
This is a double CD that I put off for a while until I found it at a
'bargain' price of $36. I don't know why they differentiate (many
retailers) which country is was released from. Are there any diferences?
Listening to it for the first time last night just brought chills down my
spine and pure pleasure to my senses! Don't have time for a lengthy review,
but I just want to say once again that this guy is THE MASTER of
electronics. The second disc is a techno/ambient excursion with the help of
some big named friends (Namlook to name one) that shows that he can create
awesome music in any decade, but you can still tell it is KS because of his
mastery of 'true electronic emotion'. Don't deny yourself this experience.
Note: CDS in Scotland mailed me a multi-page review of various FAX label
releases. This is a very nice guide to this label (which is great) and its
music. Klaus is of course on the Dark Side of the Moog (I-V) series.
Vic
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tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 12:41
pm
Subject: Re: BEYOND THE STORM US & UK: a Difference?
Mark Filipak wrote:
>> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>> What's the difference between the US and UK versions, if any?
>> Is BtS on the TDI International label in the UK?
>Someone with the US version will have to reply, but I've read somewhere
>that it's only 1CD -- can't remember where though and I may be wrong.
I'll bet someone saw it in its single-width jewel case and
assumed it was only one CD.
Does anyone out there have both BOOK OF DREAMS and THE DREAM
ROOTS box? Is the former a true subset of the latter, or are
there any differences in the tracks they have in common?
NP: Tony Williams Lifetime - The Collection
--Dave
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 2:03
pm
Subject: Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ?
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
> Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
> The thing is, if they had decided to go on in their 70s style
> forever, they would be anything but great, they would just be a fairly
> poor copy of themselves.
I disagree. Your statement seems to imply (at least to me, I could be
wrong) that the 70s style had been exhausted. I personally think that
the 'ultimate' 70's style analogue album has still to be made,
Rubycon notwithstanding.
BTW, I think their current sound is 'anything but great'.
Many bands are still doing roughly the same thing as they were doing
in the 70s (and even the 60s !) and are coming out with fresh-sounding
stuff. Aerosmith are one example which springs to mind.
> A new
> group trying to imitate 70s TD would be a group trying to imitate 70s TD,
> and no more than that.
I think it's possible to have the 'spirit' of the 70s sound, but still
create new textures and music. For instance, Rubycon is quite different
from Encore and Stratosfear is quite different from Cyclone. There is
still a vast area of unexplored music within the boundaries set by TD
et al. I want to hear some of the results of that exploration !
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tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 2:50
pm
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #845
Really-From: Michael A Jean
MISC responses:
STEVE: SUre your plan sounds nice, but why write a letter to Mirimar
about releases from other record companies? TANGENTS was on Virgin, and
DRC was on SEQUEL. Do you really expect record companies to be trading
material.
ZONING: Chris Franke's music was never EDITED OUT of Zoning! The 1980s
version of a film called Zoning DID contain CF music, but the S/T was
never released (it contained alot of Vermilion Sands kind of stuff). The
latest ZONING movie is completely unrelated to the first one. They just
both happen to have TD music.
Stratosfear 94/95: The AMP version of TOB has '94, the rest have '95...I
think '94 is just a typo...or maybe it was originally called that when it
was created for TANGENTS.
DESTINATION BERLIN: I have seen it around here for 7.99 US
PS: Sorry if my responses are delayed but I haven't been around much ...
Mike J
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Re: What is this list about?
Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...>
>> But Goozer's post was followed just 7 hours later by Robert Forman's post to
that thread in which he lauded Robert Fripp and derided Edgar. Well, I guess I
just snapped.<<
Point 1: Some of us are not on this list interactively. I, for one, get the list
in digest mode. Some of my posts may appear to be 'dated' by the time I get the
opportunity to e-mail my remarks. I'm sorry if this is the case, but unless I
only lurk on this list, it is my only option.
Point 2: Perhaps you were sensitive to the issue, and my posting using the
'sickening TANGENT-izing' thread made my reason for posting the message I sent
unclear. Yes, I was lauding Robert Fripp. No I was not deriding Edgar. As a
Tangerine Dream fan, one who posses a number of bootlegs and fan tapes, I WISH
Edgar would go through the TD archives and release some of the material which
has been performed live but has never been officially released. Fripp is doing
that with KC, and in a way that I, as a fan, would love to see TD take on.
I wish/hope that Froese will do the same. But I have no expectations in that
regard. Froese will do what he wants when he wants, and I have no information as
to his desire to take on such a project, what the legal roadblocks might be,
etc. AS A FAN, with knowledge of the virtual mountain of music (some of it I
know to be great) out there, I wish for official release. It is my opinion that
the music was meant to be heard, and it's a shame that only those of us with
access to the internet/bootlegs/fan tapes are able to hear it. I'm not so sure
that Edgar does not agree, and that the TDI label the band has created will be
used for just such a project. I HOPE so.
Finally: It's not my desire to tell Edgar or the band what it is they 'should'
do. I'm on this list and sometimes I communicate my TD opinions and wishes to
other fans. They are opinions and wishes, not demands. Sorry if you see things
otherwise.
>>Bob<<
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 3:06
pm
Subject: Re: A Call to Arms
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-02-26 17:58:56 EST, Gerry wrote:
<< I for one would not like to see the list fall into a question and answer
session. I value the opinions, and the emotions raised in fellow members
by the music under discussion. >>
Well said, sir. And welcome out of lurk.
Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 3:45
pm
Subject: Streethawk (was Re: Flamebait: Is RUBYCON REVISITED Similar to TANGENTS? ;)
At 17:58 97·02·24 EST, you wrote:
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
> I hope they get to the Bobby Roth flix RAINBOW DRIVE and SINGLE
>MAN . . . and STREETHAWK. ;)
When I worked in a video store back in '86 we had in stock a tape
of _Streethawk_. This tape is just the first episode (the pilot) sans
commercials put onto video.
One reason why this show bombed is that it was essentially
_Knight_Rider_ with a motorcycle instead of a car. We are also treated to a
pre 'Murphy Brown' Joe Regalbuto(sp?) playing the techie/geek who
designed/built the bike. And this I believe marks the first TV appearance
of Robert Beltran (who had a small part as the lead character's murdered
partner) who can now be seen as Cmdr. Chakotay on ST: Voyager. Christopher
Lloyd also has a part in the pilot as the bad guy who drives a pretty
tricked out truck.
'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road.
/^\
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Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 2:49
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Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream and Poetry?
Atem is pink
Poland is blue
The Virgin Years have
Indeterminate hue
(sorry)
--Dave
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Subject: Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ?
Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> What I was wondering, though, was; If a band appeared tomorrow
> who produced a '70s sound like Baumann era TD or Timewind era
> Klaus Schulze, would there be a big market for it ? Would it be
> as popular as the first time round, would it sink without trace,
> or would it, in fact, be /more/ popular ?
Absolutely. Look at AirSculpture, Radio Massacre International and Mark
Shreeve. They all gone back analogue and have great success with it!
Great music can also be conceived with digital equipment though.
> It seems obvious to me that TD will NEVER be that great again.
That is your own opinion of course, but mine also (have to be carefull
with what I say)
Marcel
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Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 6:08
pm
Subject: Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ?
Really-From: sean
> I disagree. Your statement seems to imply (at least to me, I could be
> wrong) that the 70s style had been exhausted. I personally think that
> the 'ultimate' 70's style analogue album has still to be made,
> Rubycon notwithstanding.
But it won't be made by Tangerine Dream. TD is a band that has always
been driven by new technology, new sounds, and the mindset and tastes of
its various members as they change over time. It is not their job to be
your court musicians. I've said this before. They are artists, doing
what they themselves want to do, and trying new things as the old things
become boring to them. If analogue is all that you want, then stick to
the 70s era. TD has moved on, having said what they wanted to say in that
medium.
If they were still doing the same thing now that they were in 1976, I
never would have started listening to them. If - like Aerosmith - every
song they did sounds just like the last one, I would have *stopped*
listening to them.
I'm no great fan of Turn of the Tides and Tyranny of Beauty, but Dream
Mixes and elements of Goblin's Club show that the band continues to
experiment and that there's more great music ahead.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'I used to be indecisive,
but now I just don't know'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59
am
Subject: Re: Poor Klaus K...
Really-From: dundoc@e... (Dunedin Dept. of Conservation)
unsubscribe me
>Really-From: dbrewer@a...
>
>
>> Quoted From: feldon@n...
>>
>> I hope people aren't misunderstanding what I was saying. I can't imagine
>> Force Majeure without drums. If only one TD disc could have drums, Force
>> Majeure is where they belong... I absolutely love the drums on FM. But
>> honestly, isn't there anyone out in the audience who would agree that it
>> soulds like Klaus has fallen behind and is 'catching' up with Edgar and
>> Chris at times?
>>
>Most human musicians have a more 'floating' sense of time keeping than a
>computer does... Okay, they can't keep time perfectly to 20 decimal places,
>myself included. I really noticed how 'floating' my drumming is a couple
>of weeks back when my band recorded a demo of a song. I tried playing with
>a click track, but ended up fighting it all the way! I never had that
>kind of trouble playing keyboard, but I guess it's because I don't have
>to get all of my limbs into it like with drums. So I said, 'screw the
>click!', and it still turned out rather well without it.
>So now, I admire Klaus even more, keeping the beat as tight as he did
>playing with those infernal sequencers! And I've always liked the combo of
>acoustic drums and electronic instruments on FM and Cyclone. Way to go,
>Klaus! (I wish he had played on the '92 NA tour like they were originally
>planning...)
>
> Dave Brewer
>
>
>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 7:54
pm
Subject: Re: Would you support a 70's TD today ?
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 11:00 AM 2/27/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
>
>What I was wondering, though, was; If a band appeared tomorrow
>who produced a '70s sound like Baumann era TD or Timewind era
>Klaus Schulze, would there be a big market for it ? Would it be
>as popular as the first time round, would it sink without trace,
>or would it, in fact, be /more/ popular ?
>
>I would personally be delighted by such a band. What about the
>other list members ?
I would personally buy 20 copies of each CD.
Morgan
feldon@n...
P.S. Maybe I'm blurring your post, but I think that Baumann and Smoelling
eras are one category and all this post 1983 stuff is another category...
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tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Feb 27, 1997 7:57
pm
Subject: Re: D:_-_-_-'Tyranny Of Beauty'-_-_-_
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 12:03 PM 2/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
>Jean Michel
>Jarre once said that the principal task of the musician is to inspire his
>listener, to evoke moods, feelings, and images in him. This goes just as
>well for TD music.
Edgar has clearly stated that TD has no interest in doing this.
Morgan
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