From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Hey, I Like ZONING More than GOBLINS' CLUB!
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: d:zoning
>Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 04:31:36 -0500
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>d:zzzzzzzzzzoning 3as
>
>Since I have my cd but no insert with me, forgive me for not naming
>names/titles (my pet peeve at the moment is f***ing cds that say: 'see
>booklet for details' [...]
What *sshole came up with that practice, anyways?!?!? :( :( :(
(And notice that that's the deal with most of Virgin's American CDs!)
>[...] I don't have much to say (now ain't that unusual??!) in fact, I
>can't seem to get excited about this cd. It's not really that bad at
>all but it is not something I grab and put on the player on a regular
>basis [...]
An interesting thing on that note: while it has no 'killer tracks,'
like GOBLINS' CLUB does, it doesn't have too many turkeys, either. I
wish I could say that for GOBLINS' CLUB. I think the last track is
particularly unfocussed--like much of TYRANNY OF BEAUTY, actually.
I enjoy playing ZONING all the way through than GOBLINS' CLUB all the
way through.
>On the one hand, I think I hear a wavelength type style here but, on the
>other hand, wavelength sounds so much like schmoelling era TD and this
>seems like the whole schmoelling 'feel' is missing here [...] maybe
>what I am trying to say is that this cd sort of sounds like related to
>wavelength but with franke and schmoelling subtracted out. [...]
I think the main similarity to WAVELENGTH is that ZONING does
indeed act well as a mood piece when taken as a unit. In this respect,
RUMPELSTILTSKIN and DEADLY CARE function rather well . . . moreso, in
fact, than, say, NEAR DARK or SHY PEOPLE.
>[...] oops, sorry I must have 'zzzzzzzzzzoned' out; but what woke me up
>was that last track, it sounds kinda interesting but at the same time,
>really out of place. almost like a seattle years bonus track added on
>to an early style of work...
It's not so much out of place (like the last two tracks on the
HEARTBREAKERS soundtrack ('Thorny Affair' and some other) but a tease
of what could have followed, sort of like 'Silver Scale.'
For the record, I probably play ZONING more often than I play
GOBLINS' CLUB. And I play DESINATION BERLIN more than ZEIT, too. ;)
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 9:37
am
Subject: Re: Dream Mixes Video
Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v...
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Matt Williams
>
> Dream Mixes Video!!
>
> Any news on this yet...is it available in England yet???.....I have had
> 'Oasis' for a few weeks and after finding the music rather dull I don't mind
> it now(as usual TD music that I hate to begin with eventually grows on me :).
>
>
Yes I have recieved a copy of the video I ordered it ages ago.It arrived on
the 1st of April, (ill omen). I
havn't perhaps given it the attention it deserves, but on fisrt impressions I
am a little disappointed. The
music I really like,(allready have the CD) but the video seems to lack
imagination and is out of character
with the music. Fast remixes of TD accompanied by footage filmed out of a car
does not match. Maybe my
impression of the Video will improve with time (I hope so).
Gaza
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 2:50
am
Subject: Any good record shop in Orlando,FL?
Really-From: Alvaro Castillo Martinez /Mat
Could some kind soul tell me the address of a record shop where to find a
good repertoire of e-music?
Thanks in advance.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 2:15
am
Subject: Re: Any good record shop in Orlando,FL?
Really-From: Vic Rek
At 08:50 PM 4/3/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Really-From: Alvaro Castillo Martinez /Mat
>
>
>
>Could some kind soul tell me the address of a record shop where to find a
>good repertoire of e-music?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
Save your money for Disneyland instead. I've been down there through some
records shops, and their idea of EM is stocking 3 TD CDs and maybe a couple
new age clones (similar to Atlanta by the way). So save yourself some time
in the South and have some fun doing other things.
Now if you can prove this wrong, please let me know so I can book my ticket
to the Sunshine State. Raw oysters, Bloody Mary's, TD - at Key West! Yes!
Vic
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 3:05
am
Subject: Re: [Fwd: tadream-digest V15 #874]
Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
Phil,
I have the 2 cd version from Relativity # 88561-8070-2
Disc One Birth of Liquid Plejades 20:00 min
Nebulous Dawn 18:00 min
Disc Two Origin of Supernatural Probabilities 20:12
Zeit 17:43
Hope this Helps
Robert
At 06:12 AM 4/3/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Really-From: PNaunton@a...
>
>
>In a message dated 97-03-31 14:46:49 EST, you write:
>
><< From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 06:00:01 +0000
> Subject: Re: D:\/\/\/\/ 'Zeit' \/\/\/\/
>
> Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
>
> Phil,
> It has 2 discs.How many TD CD's do you have?How long have you been
> collecting TD?
> Robert >>
>
> Robert,
> Everyone else who has responded says it is one disc. Which one do
>you have?
> In answer to your question - - 27 CDs & 33 LPs issues not disks or
>discs. I have been following the boys since 1974.
>
>Phil Naunton
>
>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 5:04
am
Subject: zeit & music
Really-From: LADY OF THE LIZARDS
Well I saw an alpha centauri cd in a shop tonight. I really thought about
picking it up. Then I regained my senses (should have had my wife slap me). I
can't believe the good reviews zeit is getting. to me most of those early 70s
td cds are a waste of our resources. I wonder if the same people who like
those cds are the same ones bashing V's Beaubourg. Beaubourg is music to me,
zeit, em, ac, atem are just noise to me (and annoying too). Oh well, one man's
garbage is anothers treasure (i think thats how the saying goes)
rr
bash away
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 7:34
pm
Subject: hi
Really-From: rocket3@i...
Hello! I wanted to share something very important.
You know each of us only has one life to live.
We need to make decisions now that will determine our future.
The God of heaven sent his only Son to this earth
to let us have a way to be right with God,
have God's help in this life and one day be in heaven
with God. There in heaven is peace, rest, love and joy.
We definitely don't want to go to the other place called hell.
In hell, there is darkness, thirst, torment and weeping and
gnashing of teeth. So how can we enjoy God's blessing now
and be in heaven? Simple, receive Jesus Christ as Savior.
It says that if we will confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus
and believe in our heart that God raised him from the dead
we will be saved. We can simply pray: Heavenly Father,
forgive me of my sins and I now confess Jesus Christ
as the Lord of my life and I believe in my heart
(with everything in me) that you raised Jesus Christ
from the dead. The Word of God (the Bible) says that you
are now saved! You are now a child of God, transferred
from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light!
Jesus is now your Good Shepherd, taking care of you and
helping you!
Thanks for reading and choosing life. Hope to hear from you soon!
please see http://www.flash.net/~rein777
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 6:53
am
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #879
Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy'
> Hey Craig. I'd like to dream about this: A grand reunion album.
> Edgar, Peter, Chris, Johannes and Paul, all together for one big, 3CD
> session. Let us know what the music was like. -- Mark
>
> ------------------------------
Why stop at a 3CD session? 5 or 6 CD's sounds a little more
acceptable. :-P heheh
Maxwell
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 8:04
am
Subject: Re: A bad Dream experience
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
> Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...>
>
> I had this dream! It was a nightmare!! The band played a cover of 'Float On'
by
> the Floaters.
This really made my day, Robert ! Fantastic ! Especially the Johannes
quote.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 9:11
am
Subject: two complaints
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
number one:
look folks I don't mean to be a bitch (no misogynist overtones intended)
but I have to admit that I too get really tired of reading posts that reply
to someone else's post in which they repost the whole damn previous message
(especially when that includes reposting elaborated signatures!!!). Now I
will be the first to admit that I am guilty of posting some really really
long messages. But look, when you are replying to someone else's message,
we only need to read the pertinent parts, not the whole bloody thing all
over again; for christ's sake, edit! And that is especially the case when
the discussion goes on for three or four days; there is not much worse than
re-re-re-re-reading the same bloody re-re-re-re-posted message for a whole
F'ing week. Enough already! Stop the internal spamming! We know what the
context is! Either use 'snip' or '[...]' or nothing --we'll understand.
This would go a long way in reducing the 'noise' factor and length of these
digests. I don't mind long posts or comments about a previous post, in
fact, I want to read EVERYTHING that EVERYONE on this list has to say--but
I really only want to read it once. I hate wading through 4 days' worth of
comments continuously reposted in a 3- to 5-page message just to see what
is new and to find out that all it is is one line that says 'yeah I
agree'... sometimes I can't even find the new comments because they are
buried so deep in the spam! Please note, this is an editorial complaint
only and not one that concerns content/free speech.
number two:
when someone says 'please reply off line/privately' that means to send your
e-mail to the e-mail address listed at the top of the posting! not to the
tadream list itself and especially not with the original message attached
unless it is/might be pertinent to all here! I know sometimes mistakes
happen and I've done it myself but over the past week this has become a
regular (mal)practice.
arrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh! I had to get this off my chest!
lars
(who has been trying really hard not to say this for about three months)
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 9:11
am
Subject: zlatko
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Hey some of you can dump on zlatko all you want; all I know is how I feel
when I hear his guitarwork; after edgar, he is one of very few musicians
that can suck me right into the music and totally and completely absorb me.
(I hope to see him in A'dam!!!) I think you can't rationally say that
zlatko is responsible for the seattle sound (however you may feel about it)
where does he get composition credits (sorry I don't have inserts with me)?
Besides, there has been some really great stuff (5AS+) from this period
and it is probably no surprise that what I like seems to have alot of
guitar and alot of zlatko's guitar on it (Hornsby's and gradwohl's too --
np: little blond ... on endless repeat)! No one ever did post the 'real'
story on zlatko and edgar, come on, out with it if you know--otherwise it
must be rumors; quite lurking and start typing!
All electronic? what the hell is that? I guess electronic guitars don't
count?!!! screw this purist bullshit, I just want music that will reach
right into my 'mens' (I like the latin here cause it really doesn't clearly
distinguish between 'mind' [intellect] and 'soul')--and I don't even care
if I hear a sax, I just want music that is efficacious! I can and do
listen 'firetongues' for hours on end. MORE GUITAR IN TD EDGAR!!!! (even
edgar has talked about what an highly emotional instrument the guitar is)
If you want the other cold, emotionless shit, plug into some kraftwerk,
take a very cold bath and crawl into a sarcophagus!
lars (who is beginning to wonder if he has pms this week)
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 9:12
am
Subject: resend
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
last week I sent this to tadream but it never made it so I am resending the
pertinent section:
dreamers,
I have a question: I stumbled upon an encore/hobo march single today; while
I have known about this, I have no idea what part of encore it is or what
hobo march sounds like. I probably won't ever know since I don't have a
turntable. -- so could somebody please tell me which part of encore the
single side is from and what hobo march is like?
thanks
ps, if anybody is interested in swapping for some nice TD Ohr stuff (any of
them, but *no insert* for the fork in the toaster) drop me a private
line--be aware that it will take a least a week for me to respond.
lars
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 10:04
am
Subject: Re: zlatko
Really-From: Greg Heil
>I think you can't rationally say that
>zlatko is responsible for the seattle sound.....
> ....Besides, there has been some really great stuff (5AS+) from this period
220 Volt and Tyranny of Beauty are my favs.. 5AS+ no doubt.
>(Hornsby's and gradwohl's too --> np: little blond ... on endless >repeat)!
I truly believe 'Tyranny of Beauty' wins hands down over 'Goblins Club'
and a large part of that is because of the hard hitting guitar track
'Stratosfear 1995'
> All electronic? what the hell is that? I guess electronic guitars >don't
count?!!!
Imagine 'Song the Whales Part One' without the electric guitars.. can't?
Me either.
screw this purist bullshit, I just want music that will reach
> right into my 'mens'
Only T-Dream's heavy guitar tracks have really made my blood pump
quicker.. very few total synthesizer trackes have done that.. 'After the
Call' definately did.. and 'Catwalk' was just fine without the guitars
and accomplished this.. but combineing guitars and synthesizers really
makes a great duo--look guys, we are not gonna pay revisit to Zeit with
a happenless variety of airy enviroment sounds (not downing the
album--it was good at the time when improvisation was your only choice
of experimentation with echo machines and studio equip.)
>--and I don't even care
>if I hear a sax
The sax style isn't bad at all, and on the track 'Living in a fountain
pen', it practically blends right in with the start of the electric
guitar.
>Do listen 'firetongues' for hours on end.
Best song on 'Turn of the Tides' in my opinion
Greg...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 5:08
pm
Subject: Re: resend
Really-From: Paul Nagle
** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... :
>turntable. -- so could somebody please tell me which part of encore the
>single side is from and what hobo march is like?
>thanks
The Encore single had the nice phasey tuney bit from Encore side 1 or
2 and Hobo March is actually Ode To Granny A from Edgar's Ages, if
memory serves me right. I've got it somewhere so I can check if you
need to be sure.
paul
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 11:37
am
Subject: Re: two complaints
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
> number one:
> look folks I don't mean to be a bitch (no misogynist overtones intended)
> but I have to admit that I too get really tired of reading posts that reply
> to someone else's post in which they repost the whole damn previous message
> (especially when that includes reposting elaborated signatures!!!). Now I
> will be the first to admit that I am guilty of posting some really really
> long messages. But look, when you are replying to someone else's message,
> we only need to read the pertinent parts, not the whole bloody thing all
> over again; for christ's sake, edit! And that is especially the case when
> the discussion goes on for three or four days; there is not much worse than
> re-re-re-re-reading the same bloody re-re-re-re-posted message for a whole
> F'ing week. Enough already! Stop the internal spamming! We know what the
> context is! Either use 'snip' or '[...]' or nothing --we'll understand.
> This would go a long way in reducing the 'noise' factor and length of these
> digests. I don't mind long posts or comments about a previous post, in
> fact, I want to read EVERYTHING that EVERYONE on this list has to say--but
> I really only want to read it once. I hate wading through 4 days' worth of
> comments continuously reposted in a 3- to 5-page message just to see what
> is new and to find out that all it is is one line that says 'yeah I
> agree'... sometimes I can't even find the new comments because they are
> buried so deep in the spam! Please note, this is an editorial complaint
> only and not one that concerns content/free speech.
>
> number two:
> when someone says 'please reply off line/privately' that means to send your
> e-mail to the e-mail address listed at the top of the posting! not to the
> tadream list itself and especially not with the original message attached
> unless it is/might be pertinent to all here! I know sometimes mistakes
> happen and I've done it myself but over the past week this has become a
> regular (mal)practice.
>
> arrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh! I had to get this off my chest!
>
> lars
> (who has been trying really hard not to say this for about three months)
I agree. :-)
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_.^~~~~~\
Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d...
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PS, I really DO agree with the comments, however there are people
who prefer to have the whole post repeated rather than trawl back
through a thread to understand the posting. Is it really THAT much
hassle to re-read the post, lars ?
Also, this is not 'spamming'. 'Spamming' is telling people who don't
want to know how great it is to be saved by Jesus. Or how to make
$$$s fast.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 11:06
am
Subject: Re: resend
Really-From: John Christian
Said Paul:
>The Encore single had the nice phasey tuney bit from Encore side 1 or
>2 and Hobo March is actually Ode To Granny A from Edgar's Ages, if
>memory serves me right.
Yep, it's right. Side one is not the version off Encore, it's a
sweetened up studio version, which was also on 70-80 (and hence on some
boots methinks).
John
--
John Christian - mail:john@p...
AirSculpture
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 1:27
pm
Subject: Re: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3
Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
----------
> Von: tadream mailing list
> An: tadream@c...
> Betreff: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3
> Datum: Donnerstag, 3. April 1997 15:13
>
> Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
>
> Hi All. If anyone has the Jive, C TANG 3 version of 'Zeit', could you
> pop it into a CD player and write down the actual running times? Thanks
> in advance -- Mark
19:56+17:53+19:34+14:35=71:58
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: (Date Unavailable)
Subject: TD Dream
Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i...
Hello all,
My one TD dream was in 1986, just prior to the British tour. At
that point, we didn't know that Johannes had left, and when the
curtains opened (in the dream), we saw that the band had reverted
to traditional instruments, with Chris on drums, Edgar on guitar
and vocals and Johannes on bass. They got through Rush's 'Temples
of Syrinx' and Motorhead's 'Ace of Spades' before I woke up
sweating. I think this dream is at the root of my utter revulsion
for _Three Phase_ and in particular the cover of 'Purple Haze'.
Back in '86 the idea of TD doing heavy rock numbers was nothing
more than an unbelievably scary nightmare. Little did I know
then that 6 years later...
Glynn
From:
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Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 2:17
pm
Subject: RE : setlist for 11/28/76
Really-From: Bill Lantz
Scott.Plumer@t... wrote:
>Their stuff was primarily improv back then. How could you get a setlist?
>Scott
Much of it sounds structured including a piece with what sounds to be
acoustic guitar. But I guess asking for a true 'setlist' was probably not
the correct phrase - just as Encores contained some of Stratosfear and other
familiar excerpts, I was looking for that kind of response. Perhaps it was
all improv but I doubt it - I just can't place most of it although parts
sound semi-familiar as with the Sorcerer themes I mentioned.
Did the members of Tdream at that time hit the stage with no idea what they
were going to do? I'd be interested to know if that is the case.
Bill
From:
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Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 2:20
pm
Subject: Bootlegs
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
I'm desperatley looking for TD bootlegs on Cd or Lp. I have nothing to trade
but I am interested in buying them. Please e-mail me with your list of titles
you'd like to sell to me at TangerineC@a... Thanks.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 2:26
pm
Subject: Re: setlist for 11/28/76
Really-From: Bill Lantz
At 07:17 AM 4/3/97 -0800, Mark Filipak wrote:
>tadream mailing list wrote:
>>
>> Really-From: Bill Lantz
>>
>> Can anyone supply me with a setlist for November 28, 1976 TD gig in
>> Paris? Also, was this the Pavilion? I recently came across a nice
>> audience tape of this performance and can't place most of the music.
>> Some Sorcerer themes pop up in a few places, notably the encore, but
>> for the most part, this performance escapes me being able to name the
>> pieces.
>>
>> Also, on a side question, who are the two Klauses' that get thanked
>> on Michael Hoenig's Northern Wasteland album? Schulze I assume is one.
>
>Welcome to non-lurk mode. I would assume that the other Klaus is Klaus
>D. Mueller, but it could be Klaus Kinkle for all I really know.
>Regarding the 28 Nov 76 gig, my records indicate that it was at Centre
>Culturel in Toulouse and not in Paris at all. If you have different
>info, please let me know, but I show the Paris show on 22 Nov at Le
>Palais des Sports. Regards -- Mark
Thanks for the info. My tape was labeled 11/28/76 Paris but it's impossible
to tell which would be the right date. The band intro is clipped and the
only talking is by the band (Edgar?) in English. I'll likely change the date
to 11/22/76 to match the location given to me. Out of curiousity, what is
your source for that gig info?
Bill
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Overquoting: Give It a Rest . . . Please!
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Re: two complaints
>Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 12:37:07 +0100
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
>
>> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>>
>> number one:
>> look folks I [...] too get really tired of reading posts that reply
>> to someone else's post in which they repost the whole damn previous
>> message [...]
>
>I agree. :-)
Then why did you quote Lars' entire f**king post?
>PS, I really DO agree with the comments, however there are people
>who prefer to have the whole post repeated rather than trawl back
>through a thread to understand the posting. [...]
Yeah, and some people get their genitals pierced and get huge
Maori-style tattoos that will cost a fortune to remove once they wake
up and/or grow up. So what. Must we cater to the few just to cover
each and every conceivable base?
>Is it really THAT much hassle to re-read the post, lars ?
It can be expensive for some people, depending on what sort of
e-mail account they have. What's more, it's bad netiquette (and this
is coming from someone who sometimes incites flame wars on purpose)
and a waste of bandwidth.
If you are unable to isolate the salient quotes required for a
succinct reply to a given posting, that's *your* problem. I assume
that most people here don't suffer from such an affliction.
I used to be a listowner, and we used to pressure people into
ceasing from overquoting with the threat of termination of their
subscription. The guy who since took over the list has absolutely
no patience for overquoting. It's a pain in the ass and does nothing
more than annoy. Please cease and desist from overquoting. Thank you.
Sorry to come off as such a hot-under-the-collar type, but there
should be no room for discussion on a matter such as this. X-0
-- Steven Feldman and
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 2:31
pm
Subject: Re: My eye-tooth for Reims '74!
Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
Is this the same as Live! Improvised? Ranjit had it listed for ages. I
stalled at the $40 and now that he no longer carries it I *really* want
it! I have this bad habit of waiting too long to buy things. Of course,
as soon as they're no longer available - I want it more than ever.
Larry
>I will give my eye-tooth (or an equivalently valuable commodity) for
>the Reims (Live at Reims, Dec 13, '74) 2-CD album.
>
>I am groveling, here.
>
>Andrew
>
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Re: HI Spam
Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...>
>>There in heaven is peace, rest, love and joy. We definitely don't want to go
to the other place called hell.
In hell, there is darkness, thirst, torment and weeping and gnashing of teeth.<<
Don't you think that if these people are going to send stuff to this list, the
least they could do is tailor it to the list's interest? Something like 'In
heaven Tangerine Dream play all day improvised concerts In Hell you don't
really hear music, but Yanni gives smarmy introductions to songs dedicated to
Linda Evans eternally....'
Does anyone else remember the Saturday Night Live bit with Paul Simon. He's on
an elevator and it's playing a bastardized Muzak version of one of his songs.
Turns out he's died and gone to Hell, to be forever tormented by elevator music
versions of his songs.
Phew, gotta go. I'm feeling kinda thirsty. (Damn, why is it so dark in here?)
;-)
>>Bob<<
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 2:52
pm
Subject: Live CDs
Really-From: Mark Edmonds
Does anyone know of any live CDs from the Exit tour, specifically at the
Assembly Rooms, Derby, UK? I can`t start getting into tapes because I
don`t have a tape recorder.
Thanks,
Mark Edmonds, London.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 3:35
pm
Subject: exit tour CDs (?)
Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
>
>Really-From: Mark Edmonds
>
>
>Does anyone know of any live CDs from the Exit tour, specifically at the
>Assembly Rooms, Derby, UK? I can`t start getting into tapes because I
>don`t have a tape recorder.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark Edmonds, London.
>
what exactly is the 'Exit Tour'?
Close to it might be the CD 'Ratikon' (a-umlaut) - a concert which starts
with 'Mojave Plan', and 'Choronzon' is one of the encores.
Armin Theissen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Armagh Observatory email: ath@s...
College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen
Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928
Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174
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From:
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Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 3:40
pm
Subject: Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-04-03 15:01:14 EST, you write:
<< ><< Kraftwerk did invent
> techno, but I'm not so sure that's an achievement to be proud of.
>and why not, may i ask?
Let me quote from my original post:
> As art, it succeeds, but
> as music, well, if I want to listen to a machine I'll ride my bike.
Scott >>
what your bike has to do with your opinion that being the 'inventor' of
'techno' is an achievement not to be proud of escapes me...is it possible
that ur saying that machines are ok as long as the members of kraftwerk arent
playing them? just curious,
tom w
np: koolfang - jambient
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 4:32
pm
Subject: Re: Overquoting: Give It a Rest . . . Please!
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
> >I agree. :-)
>
> Then why did you quote Lars' entire f**king post?
It was a f***ing joke, Steven. Hence the f***ing smilie.
Jeez.
No sig - saving precious bytes.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: BECOME THE OTHER
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: Dream Mixes Video
>Date: Thu, 3 Apr 97 23:14:18 GMT
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Matt Williams
>
>[...] my most precious Ozric Tentacles cereal box set.......anyone else
>own this deleted set???... [...]
I do. Heck, I even have their 2-CD compilation album AFTERSWISH --
comprised mostly of stuff from the 6-CD cereal box set.
>[...] Opps sorry what have Ozric Tentacles got to do with TD :).
Lots. They are one of the few bands that are TD-esque and yet
add something to the TD sound rather than just recycle it. And
they're like Hawkwind and Gong in many ways, too, plug, plug. ;)
By the way, the only Ozrics CD I don't have is the most recent
one, BECOME THE OTHER. How is it? Unlike STRANGEITUDE, [can't
recall the title], and ARBORESCENCE, BECOME THE OTHER didn't get
released in the US of A.
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty.
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
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+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 4:42
pm
Subject: Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This
><< ><< Kraftwerk did invent
> > techno, but I'm not so sure that's an achievement to be proud of.
> >and why not, may i ask?
> Let me quote from my original post:
> > As art, it succeeds, but
> > as music, well, if I want to listen to a machine I'll ride my bike.
>what your bike has to do with your opinion that being the 'inventor' of
>'techno' is an achievement not to be proud of escapes me...is it possible
>that ur saying that machines are ok as long as the members of kraftwerk arent
>playing them? just curious,
Hey, you wanna step outside? :-)
One of the criticisms of electronic music has always been that it's too cold, too non-human, too mechanical. I've always thought TD transcends this and brings a lot of feeling and depth to their music. When I hear TD, I don't get the feeling it's three guys playing electronic devices so much as it's . . . well, I don't know. I have a friend who listens to nothing but jazz and sneers at e-music, saying it's 'not real music.' Then I ask him if he listens to CD's which of course he does, then I remind him that CD's aren't real music either, just digital dopplegangers of music. (Please no discussions of the physics of acoustics) My opinion: if it sounds like music, it _is_ music. Kraftwerk, from about Autobahn on, doesn't sound like music to me. I think they live up to every stereotype of e-music. It sounds like a machine.
Now if KW's _intends_ to sound like a machine, that's great. I can appreciate that from an artistic point of view. I'm not debating their artistic merit, if that's their intent. I can also artistically appreciate Jackson Pollack's, Marcel Duchamp's or Piet Mondrian's paintings, but I'd far prefer Ingres' Odalisque hanging over my couch, because I find pictures of nude women more pleasing to look at. :-)
And if you want my criticism of techno, anything that is produced solely for adolescents to dance to can't be of much merit. In short, it's garbage.
Understand?
Scott
P.S. If we continue this discussion, I'd prefer it be off-list.
From:
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Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 4:48
pm
Subject: D:Zoning
Really-From: Vic Rek
2AS
I only really listen to the first track: The Conspiracy. I like it alot,
especially the intro part. The last cut 'Missing Link' is also a nice one;
otherwise, the rest is somewhat background music. It is interesting though
how this release found itself onto the Repertoire label.
Vic
From:
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Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 5:03
pm
Subject: KS: The Works
Does anyone have a copy of the Klaus Schulze book _The Works_ you'd be willing to consult for me? I need to check some information. Thanks.
Scott
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 11:14
am
Subject: Re: My eye-tooth for Reims '74!
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
>
>
>Is this the same as Live! Improvised? Ranjit had it listed for ages. I
>stalled at the $40 and now that he no longer carries it I *really* want
>it! I have this bad habit of waiting too long to buy things. Of course,
>as soon as they're no longer available - I want it more than ever.
>
Yup. the same. You and me both.... grrrrr.... just shows you: he who
snoozes, loses.
I think we should have a sugar-daddy who can finance our TD-vice,
so we wouldn't have to hesitate when we see $39.95 next to a
'classic' boot that we know we MUST have. Eventually. :-)
Unfortunately, I am too old and no longer handsome... so I will
just have to pay through the nose and skip lunches for a while.
BTW, if you are patient, ask Ranjit for it.... he will look for it...for
a price, I am sure. :-)
I wonder what happened to Klaus Beschorner and his regular
boots updates. His discography has not been updated since
'94. I miss his reports.
Anyone know?
Andrew
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 5:16
pm
Subject: Re: Dream Experience to Share
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-04-02 04:19:28 EST, you write:
<< Unfortunately, I woke up before I could buy or hear any of
these. Any dream analysts out there want to interpret this
for me?
LET ME RE-ITERATE, THIS WAS A DREAM. FIRST PERSON TO ASK ME
WHERE THEY CAN FIND THESE NEW BOOTS GETS A SLAP!!!
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey >>
Next time take a recorder with you. I don't think there will be
any trouble with copyrights, although Edgar will probably try to stop you if
you try to release this stuff comercially. If you get anything worth
listening to, call me. I would be happy to run off a few copies on the sly.
Phil Naunton -- It is April isn't it? ;-)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 5:16
pm
Subject: Re: (no TD)
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-04-01 18:41:48 EST, you write:
<< If it is the CD
itself that controls the RPM speed, then it is therefore possible to run a
CD at a slower speed, yet 'fit' more audio on a single 'groove' of
information on a CD... the audio would be lower quality.. But hey, my
theory.. you can call me nuts if you want ;)
Greg.. >>
It has been done. It is called Mini-Disc. It's crap.
Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Re: setlist for 11/28/76
Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...>
>>Thanks for the info. My tape was labeled 11/28/76 Paris but it's impossible
>>to tell which would be the right date. The band intro is clipped and the
>>only talking is by the band (Edgar?) in English. I'll likely change the date
>>to 11/22/76 to match the location given to me. Out of curiousity, what is
>>your source for that gig info?
Bill,
If you hear one of the band members talking (Peter Baumann most likely) at the
start of Side B of your tape (around 45 minutes into it, assuming it's a
90-minute tape), then that concert is indeed Paris Palais du Sport 11/22/76.
It's one of the few concert tapes in which you hear one of the band members
speak in the middle of the show.
He mentions that the band would like to play a song based on some French
composer's work, right?
--John
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Re: Exit tour info
Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...>
>>what exactly is the 'Exit Tour'?
The Exit tour was the 1981 UK tour (October-November). The second CD of the
Three-Tier Dream 3 CD set is from that tour (London Hammersmith 1981). It sounds
OK, though not spectacular in quality. It's mostly new music on the themes of
'The Soldier', 'Sobornost,' and the like.
There are also one or two CDRs of the tour floating around out there
('Dreamtime' is one, from Newcastle), but I haven't heard any of them and don't
know where to find a copy.
No recording of any kind (tape or CD) is known to exist of Derby UK 1981, though
there are tapes of Derby 1980 and 1982.
BTW, Armin, could you email me privately with your current mailing address once
again? I promised you something in London I never delivered.....
Cheers
John
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 3:22
am
Subject: Re: zlatko
Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v...
>
> Imagine 'Song the Whales Part One' without the electric guitars.. can't?
> Me either.
>
>
> Only T-Dream's heavy guitar tracks have really made my blood pump
> quicker.. very few total synthesizer trackes have done that.. '
Imagine Logos with guitars (perish the thought)
Gaza
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 6:24
pm
Subject: Dreamz and Mark Filipak
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi All and Mark...
>> Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
>>
>> >I am not a dream analyst, but from the look of things, you are INDEED
>> >obsessed with TD music. I believe this denotes:
>> >- - taste
>> >- - sophistication
>> >- - higher than average IQ
>> >- - extreme charm and savvy with the ladies
>> >- - etc.
>>
>> Err, so how does this account for me and Ash Prema?
>
>Better add 'anal compulsion for musical toys' to the list.
Mark, Oooooo.... that's fightin' talk! Hey boyz, put away them thar'
shootin' irons...someones gonna git hurt!
>I mean, it is a fact that bands break up so much because musicians
>only want to play with themselves, isn't it?
Waaa....He's at it again. Oooo...it makes ma' blood boil...
Nope, nope, I'm not gonna do it...I'm not gonna call him something
mean...Guess he's just pissed because he's lost _another_ arguement!
q:o) ... what a thing to say...
Cheers to all (except MF)
David
T-Bass : Electronic Music
email : dhughes@g...
web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html
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From:
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Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 6:23
pm
Subject: Competition Time!
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi all,
>Really-From: PNaunton@a...
><< P.S. The T-Bass competition still has relatively few entries : about seven
> in total! Humph! Please drop by the web page and make an entry or I really
> will start to believe that the list is getting apathetic...
>
> T-Bass : Electronic Music
> email : dhughes@g...
> web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html
> >>
>
> According to my watch it's April. Contest's over. Sorry I missed
>it.
Phil et al,
The competition isn't over yet. We extended the deadline by another two
weeks to give people a chance to get back from their Easter Break. Plus,
with only seven or eight entries we were sure the digest could do better...
Cheers
David
T-Bass : Electronic Music
email : dhughes@g...
web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 6:26
pm
Subject: Re: Eh? Dreamz...
Really-From: dbrewer@a...
> QuotedFrom: Mark Filipak
>
> I mean, it is a fact that bands break up so much because musicians
> only want to play with themselves, isn't it?
>
hey, Hey, HEY! Don't be spreading rumors about what musicians do in their
spare time! oh...THAT wasn't what you meant, was it? ;-)
I don't think it's so much that they want to play by themselves, it's
just that it gets hard occasionally to deal with the strong egos of the
others in the group. It is nice to be the only one working on music, but
it can get lonely at times.
TD content: there have apparently been many strong egos in the band over
the years...
Dave Brewer
From:
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Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 7:20
pm
Subject: Re: Overquoting: Give It a Rest . . . Please!
Really-From: Michael Fox
Steven and Lars must be PMSing at the same time.
Mike
At 05:32 PM 4/4/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
>
>
>> >I agree. :-)
>>
>> Then why did you quote Lars' entire f**king post?
>
>It was a f***ing joke, Steven. Hence the f***ing smilie.
>
>Jeez.
>
>No sig - saving precious bytes.
>
>
From:
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Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 7:25
pm
Subject: Re: zlatko
Really-From: Michael Fox
Gotta go with Gary on this one. I spent some energy and time finding the
video for 3 phase and was utterly dissapointed! This ain't freekin' Van
Halen! Purple Haze?? Awful!! The trend in guitar to play as many notes as
possible has been so overdone to become cliche'd. Zlatko can go as far as
I'm concerned (and aren't you glad to hear MY opinion). I'd much prefer to
see three geezers surrounded by 6 tons of electronic gear go at it than the
stuff displayed on 3 phase. And, Jerome, lose the haircut.
Mike
At 07:22 PM 4/4/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v...
>
>
>>
>> Imagine 'Song the Whales Part One' without the electric guitars.. can't?
>> Me either.
>>
>>
>> Only T-Dream's heavy guitar tracks have really made my blood pump
>> quicker.. very few total synthesizer trackes have done that.. '
>
>Imagine Logos with guitars (perish the thought)
>Gaza
>
>
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 7:17
pm
Subject: Re: zeit & music
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: LADY OF THE LIZARDS
>
> ... Beaubourg is music to me, zeit, em, ac, atem are just
> noise to me (and annoying too). Oh well, one man's garbage is
> anothers treasure (i think thats how the saying goes)
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't care for elitism but
there's something to be said about appreciating both 'Beaubourg' and
'Zeit', each for what it gives. They just speak in different tongues.
-- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 7:42
pm
Subject: quotes
Really-From: Michael Fox
I'm curious as to why Steven rants about quoting posts and long signatures
and yet this is on most of HIS posts. Just curious...feel free to bash!
Mike
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty.
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984.
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 7:50
pm
Subject: Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-04-04 12:16:08 EST, you write:
<< Understand?
Scott
P.S. If we continue this discussion, I'd prefer it be off-list.
>>
yes...u have made your point clear and succinct...though i do not agree with
it entirely, we can agree to disagree...and that, imo, is what this list, and
others, are for...regards,
tom w
np: UVOII - the sound of heaven
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 8:10
pm
Subject: Re: zlatko
Really-From: dbrewer@a...
> Quoted From: Michael Fox
>
>
> Gotta go with Gary on this one. I spent some energy and time finding the
> video for 3 phase and was utterly dissapointed! This ain't freekin' Van
> Halen! Purple Haze?? Awful!! The trend in guitar to play as many notes as
> possible has been so overdone to become cliche'd. Zlatko can go as far as
I'm for Zlatko's return myself. I do agree that he was too much into the
speedy riffs thing for a while. But I think that by the time TotT came
out, he really refined his playing, making a more meaningful contribution
to the songs and not just noodling at warp factor 9 over the keyboard
parts. I wish I could go to see the Euopean tour! :-(
BTW, I think that SotW 1 & 2 show some of the best uses of guitar in TD's
music. Simply awesome!
Dave Brewer
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Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 8:25
pm
Subject: Re: RE : setlist for 11/28/76
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Bill Lantz
>
> Scott.Plumer@t... wrote:
>
> > Their stuff was primarily improv back then. How could you get a
> > setlist?
>
> >Scott
>
> Much of it sounds structured including a piece with what sounds to be
> acoustic guitar. But I guess asking for a true 'setlist' was probably
> not the correct phrase - just as Encores contained some of Stratosfear
> and other familiar excerpts, I was looking for that kind of response.
> Perhaps it was all improv but I doubt it - I just can't place most of
> it although parts sound semi-familiar as with the Sorcerer themes I
> mentioned.
>
> Did the members of Tdream at that time hit the stage with no idea what
> they were going to do? I'd be interested to know if that is the case.
Come on Bill. You know what improv means, don't you? I've heard quite
of bit of this early stuff now. You get hints of future themes here and
there, but only hints -- a particularly familiar sounding sequence every
now and then only lasting for 10 or 20 seconds, but nothing you could
build a track listing around. -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 8:44
pm
Subject: Re: exit tour CDs (?)
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
>
> >Really-From: Mark Edmonds
> >
> > Does anyone know of any live CDs from the Exit tour, specifically at
> > the Assembly Rooms, Derby, UK? I can`t start getting into tapes
> > because I don`t have a tape recorder.
>
> what exactly is the 'Exit Tour'?
Here's a bit of chronology between 'Exit' and 'White Eagle'. If TD had
an Exit tour, I guess it would have been the 81 UK tour.
[Jul 81] EXIT
Free 'Concert for Nuclear Disarmament and World Peace',
Platz der Republik, Berlin [29 Aug 81] OFFICIAL BOOTLEG TAPE
British Tour 81
New Theatre, Oxford [15 Oct 81]
Guildhall, Portsmouth [16 Oct 81]
The Dome, Brighton [17 Oct 81]
Hammersmith Odeon, London [20 Oct 81]
City Hall, Sheffield [22 Oct 81]
City Hall, Manchester [24 Oct 81]
City Hall, Newcastle [25 Oct 81] SPACE & SPHERES, DREAMTIME
Usher Hall, Edinburgh [26 Oct 81]
Apollo, Glasgow [27 Oct 81]
Guildhall, Preston [28 Oct 81]
Royal Court, Liverpool [29 Oct 81]
Gemeindezentrum Lukaskirche, Gelsenkirchen [11 Nov 81]
'Klassik Rock Nacht' Cirkus-Krone-Bau, Munich [9 Dec 81]
---- 82 ----
[Jan 82] WHITE EAGLE
'Space & Spheres' is an LP and 'Dreamtime' is a CDR.
Hope this helps you dream some more because I think if you want to find
either of these b**ts, you're going to need to do a lot of it. -- Mark
PS: Mark, if you have info on a gig at the Assembly Rooms, Derby in 81,
would you please send it to me off-list. Thanks -- M
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tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 9:31
pm
Subject: Re: Dreamz and Mark Filipak
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes -- not to be confused
with Howard Hughes who also played with himself quite a bit)
>
> Hi All and Mark...
>
> >> Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
> >>
> >> >I am not a dream analyst, but from the look of things, you are
> >> >INDEED obsessed with TD music. I believe this denotes:
> >> >- - taste
> >> >- - sophistication
> >> >- - higher than average IQ
> >> >- - extreme charm and savvy with the ladies
> >> >- - etc.
> >>
> >> Err, so how does this account for me and Ash Prema?
> >
> >Better add 'anal compulsion for musical toys' to the list.
>
-babbling deleted in the interest of bandwidth conservation-
>
> Cheers to all (except MF)
Dave, I've heard your stuff (folks, it's called 'Infection of Time' by
some band named Tranquility Bass that moved to Novaya Zemlya and records
on the Astroturf label I believe) and you definitely are playing with
yourself -- 4AS -- with a few 'stokes' of genius. -- M
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 11:05
pm
Subject: Re: d:zoning
Really-From: Tony Marshall
>
>Really-From: feldon@n...
>
>Zoning. Hmmm... Definately a 2AS.
>
>Of the 13 tracks on the disc, only track 1 and track 13 (intro and ending)
>are of any special quality. Oddly, these are the only tracks listed in
>booklet as having been done by Edgar and Jerome. They should have just
>called this thing: Zoning by Edgar Froese.
>
Yep. Track one is great - the rest are crap.
Tony Marshall |#include
----------------------|---------------------------------------------------
My Mystery Tune Page http://www.zigzag.u-net.com/ - updating it soon!
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 11:20
pm
Subject: Exit Relates to Non-TD Content
Really-From: Greg Heil
Hi Everyone...
Has anyone discovered the signifigance of the album 'Exit'? We all know
about the album's relation to the Cold War, but has anyone looked into
some of the other track titles and their meanings? There is a
particularily interesting story surrounding the idea of 'Remote Viewing'
thus, it being a track in 'Exit', I find that really interesting because
T-Dream knew about something that the United States government only
released the information about 2 years ago. The whole idea of remote
viewing (trained psychics) was to develop and teach people methods of
'seeing' targets or objects on the other side of the Earth with their
minds. The height of this work was during the Cold War and was continued
for about thirty years, and it was assumed the Russians had developed
simmilar projects. I'm assuming the project worked because I still hear
about this, even today via talk radio.
Oh.. and by the way, it was Remote Viewer Courtny Brown of the Farsight
Institute who proclaimed the rectangular, metalic UFO spacecraft was
behind the comet Hale Bopp. ALL TRUE! (I don't believe the UFO though!)
I heard about this via the Art Bell radio talk show..
Remote Viewing is a title, and is claimed much more accurate then
natural pshychic abilities..
Gee.. and Tangerine Dream knew about this 16 years ago.. *sigh*
I could go deeper into this remote viewing thing, but I'll be nice..
P.S. To go into a sleep-like state to remote view, there needs to be
some kind of medatative affect... hmmm... Tangerine Dream makes
meditative space music to Remote View by? Government Contarct? Hee hee..
just joking!
Greg..
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 2:29
am
Subject: Re: Any good record shop in Orlando,FL?
Really-From: Alvaro Castillo Martinez /Mat
> Save your money for Disneyland instead. I've been down there through some
> records shops, and their idea of EM is stocking 3 TD CDs and maybe a couple
> new age clones (similar to Atlanta by the way). So save yourself some time
> in the South and have some fun doing other things.
>
> Now if you can prove this wrong, please let me know so I can book my ticket
> to the Sunshine State. Raw oysters, Bloody Mary's, TD - at Key West! Yes!
>
> Vic
>
I hope you are wrong. I will let you know in 2 weeks.
-Alvaro-
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 2:34
am
Subject: Re: Any good record shop in Orlando,FL?
Really-From: Alvaro Castillo Martinez /Mat
> Hey Alvaro. Do you think there is someone else on this list from
> Orlando? Maybe but I doubt it. How about mail order places on the
> net. Do you want a list of those? -- Mark
>
Thanks for the offer. Please send me a list of good places.
Alvaro.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 2:03
am
Subject: Re: d:zoning
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Tony Marshall
>
> Yep. Track one is great - the rest are crap.
Well thank you Tony for that definitive opinion. But me and Phil Vendy
still like Zoning. -- Mark
PS: See Phil. Though you're no longer with us, things have stayed
pretty much the same. -- M (holding up the standard for fine listening)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 2:21
am
Subject: Re: Zeit times from Relativity # 88561-8070-2
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Robert Grabowsky wrote:
>
> 2 cd version from Relativity # 88561-8070-2
> Label Times Real Times
> Birth of Liquid Plejades 20:00 19:56
> Nebulous Dawn 18:00 17:55
> Origin of Supernatural Probabilities 20:12 19:35
> Zeit 17:43 17:01
>
> Damn... what a difference
That's a wrap. All the CD versions have 'Zeit' (ie, track 4) cut from
between 1 minute to 3 minutes short of what the LP has (as timed from
the LP, not from the label times). The only question left is WHY?
-- Mark (who doesn't have a clue)
PS: Thanks all who participated in this voyage of disc-cover-re.
PPS: Phil, can you tell me please, which LP did you time for me? -- M
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 3:55
am
Subject: A Couple Questions..
Really-From: Greg Heil
Hmmm.. I have not heard much of the album 'Zeit', but is
it really hard to tell if actual 'music' has been trimmed
from each of the tracks found on various editions of the same
album?
I mean, how can a compony really get away with trimming as much
as three to four minutes of music and release it as if it were
final say for that album?
I know how it can take very lengthy amounts of time to fully
understand an album like 'Zeit' and it's really up in the air
and shear luck for fans like us to get our music re-released
in the original, unedited format (I don't mind digital mastering and
static clean-up). The same goes with inserts and album covers..
And one last thing: In the Virgin CD releases of T-Dream, the CD
mastering was done by a group called Chop-Em Out in London.. what comes
to mind when you hear a title like that? Oh pretty please be careful
with those sounds.. yeah..yeah I know it isn't grunge.. no.. please
please.. just be careful.. and patience.. Hey!! don't throw discs
around will ya! This ain't an assembly line kinda deal here eh!
Er.. you are Chopping them Out.. oops!
Er.. sorry
Greg...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 4:55
am
Subject: Re: BECOME THE OTHER
Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
I haven't listened to it much (and I'm fairly new to Ozric Tentacles),
but I found Become the Other to be closer to Strangeitude than the
jazzier Jurrasic Shift and spacier Arborescence. I read where many of the
long time OT fans did not care for it as much, but I like it!
Larry
> By the way, the only Ozrics CD I don't have is the most recent
>one, BECOME THE OTHER. How is it? Unlike STRANGEITUDE, [can't
>recall the title], and ARBORESCENCE, BECOME THE OTHER didn't get
>released in the US of A.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 4:55
am
Subject: Re: strange dreams
Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
I haven't tried to find this one, but I have a handful of Tyndall's
albums on import. It seems like all were fairly difficult to get a hold
of. One source told me he would have to be contacted directly for some of
his material.
Larry
>Speaking of Nik Tyndall, I have been trying to find his EINKLANG album
>for
>over ten years! Does anybody have it?
>
>MJ
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 5:56
am
Subject: Re: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-04-04 07:45:16 EST, you write:
<< 19:56+17:53+19:34+14:35=71:58 >>
Amazing! Why, I wonder. It really seems silly to cut like this
for practically no reason.
Phil Naunton
P.S. Lars, is this response edited enough? ;-)
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 5:56
am
Subject: Re: hi
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-04-04 02:04:24 EST, you write:
<< Thanks for reading and choosing life. Hope to hear from you soon!
>>
DROP DEAD ! ! ! ! !
Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 9:16
am
Subject: orb mandarin cream and other discoveries
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Dreamers
Got the Orb's Mandarin Cream Remix today; but what a totally weird,
life-altering day it was--a day I was exposed to three totally different
degrees of music.
***** (WARNING: OPINION ZONE) *****
First, this morning's mail brought fellow list-member's Paul Nagle's
'Earthshaper' CD (AMP records AMP CD034); (FYI this is a totally
unsolicited mention which in no way benefits me!); This really is a good
cd and I thoroughly enjoy it, especially the track 'Retribution' which is
fantastic! Someone else mentioned this cd positively this week too;
perhaps the best way to describe it is as Paul told me, 'influenced by TD
at its best.' Like Network 388, It is hard for me to compare it to TD but
you feel the influence and know it is there yet Paul's work stands on its
own. We should support our list member musicians more by at least sharing
some reviews of their stuff for the benefit of others (that being said, now
I'm obligated to try T-Bass' and Ash's music too!). I want to say more
about this CD after it has had some time to settle into my head but, as you
will see, my head is well... read on....
>From there I went and picked up the Orb's Mandarin Cream remix of 'Towards
the Evening Star.' I had never listened to the Orb before but their stuff
has been plastered all around the 'big' record stores here and hearing them
mentioned on this list occasionally I thought this would be something new
and 'risque'--maybe something from the 'club scene' with which I have been
so sadly out of touch.
You know, we don't really grow older, we just grow more out of touch.....
and it's a tendency we really have to fight so we DON'T GET OLD! I was
hoping this orb remix would be something really sort of out there on the
fringe.... something new to experience and to grow from.
The Orb remix (When! Recordings WENX 1022) is a 14:49 minute (total)
2-track cd single with the Orb remix (8:30) followed by the original TD
track (6:17). It comes in a gate-fold cardboard pack & no jewel case . I
also picked up the 12' vinyl for this, it is a clear-vinyl disc with
greenish-gold glitter. I'd have to say that I was a little disappointed in
the Orb remix, partly cause it was pretty wimpy in its own right (no where
even close to the 'real' thing baby--and I don't just mean the TD track);
it really didn't touch me at all. I'm not saying it's real bad, it just
didn't do anything for me except make me want to yank it out of the cd
player! I defintely won't be buying any other Orb stuff though). It felt
cold and blah-- but I suppose I felt this way partly because of what else I
'discovered' on the way home.
The remix starts with this really insipid REM-esque voice over 'And now,
once again, it's time to play `Ascendence!' For those of you at home who
haven't watched before here's how we play: a group of people sit in a
circle, each in turn says a word until a complete sentence is formed. Are
you ready panel? Let's demonstrate!' and then the music starts with a few
interspersed words in some foreign languages (maybe japanese is one?).....
then around the 5 minute mark we hear the same insipid REM-esque voice over
once again.... then the music just drones on until the last 30-45 seconds
when we get this Shulze-like time-wind sample (the blowing wind stuff...)
(later note: in fairness, I listened to this again several times before
deciding it was still bunk; I doubt I will play it much, if at all.
Rating: 1AS. If they didn't tell me this was a 'remix' of a TD track, I
never would have had any idea! This is obviously just a commerical ploy to
try and seduce TD's fans to buy Orb stuff; well it didn't work on me.
snnoooorrrrttt ...yeecccchhh ... spit-tooey ... splat!)
On the way home, I stopped at a used-music store and, after checking thru
the 'T' section, I noticed that I couldn't seem to leave, there was some
music playing that just kept drawing me into it; it was totally intense. I
had never experienced anything like this before, it just completely blew my
mind (I think it affected me so deeply that it really was a life-changing
experience)... On asking (I had to shout over the music), I was told it
was by Decoder (who?!). It is sadly not available on CD, just 12' (BTW it
is Decoder, Twister/Quake, Tech Itch Recordings, Bristol, 1997, TI 013; fax
+44 (0)117 929 7337). Its 'genre' is 'Drum & Bass'?! Seems self
explanatory, no? I've really gotten out of touch! Well I left the shop
disappointed this wasn't on CD and got about a half-block away but just
could not get this stuff out of my head! So I went back and bought the
vinyl (and I don't even have a working turntable!) I asked about similar
stuff on CD and they introduced me to this compilation CD 'Grooverider
presents the Prototype Years' (Sony 1997); Wow! this is really awesome
stuff and I will look for more. This is what I had been looking for
without even knowing it. This was the same feeling I got when I heard TD
for the first time: pure raw power that reaches out and grabs you--and this
is what the experience of music is about, **at least to me**. (This is
what I *imagined* the Orb might be like!) Well, maybe I am naive and
everyone else on this list knows about this stuff but I just had to mention
it (I guess it's been around for about 10 years or so but mostly
underground)... This stuff is hard to describe, it's kind of like ?? oh
Hell, maybe if you slowed down Transfer Station Blue a bit, tripled the
Bass power and tossed in some of the darker side of Bauhaus or maybe even
some Stockhausen (image the world of Blade Runner) and then took some rap
and stripped out of it the words, the bullshit MTV gold-jewelry,
penis-strutting, get-your-tits-and-ass-out-of-the-camera ornamentation, and
supposed 'social relevance,' and got down to its essence, you just might be
close. (Maybe there are down-loadable samples at www.grooverider.com?) It
is deep and dark, yet powerful and entrancing (and it begs a sub-woofer).
It is a lot of bass and drum with some electronic effects and occasional
voice... fav artists were John B, Dillinja, & Boymerang; Grooverider's
stuff wasn't bad either (but Decoder rules!) To quote the liner notes
'Some people will tell you their inspiration springs from constellations of
stars. Grooverider will smile and talk of the power of the good ol' weed.'
(Not necessarily an endorsement but read it however you want, at least you
know where he is coming from.) Even the cover art is too intense to look at
for very long!
Now, before you all rush out to buy this on my recommendation (yeah,
right!). Please note that if you are among those for whom Haslinger's
Future Primitive is too 'raw' or has too much 'edge'--then STAY AWAY from
this stuff or you will be lynching me!!!
In fact, I can see how Haslinger might have been influenced by this stuff
in some way. Life/'art' is just this massive intertextual web of
connections and influences and rip-offs and it is rewarding to finally
penetrate through the derivations and popularizations and get to a Source.
This is how I feel about a lot of TD's music--it is a Source (but then, of
course, for some of TD's GC, Haslinger is the Source.... but then for him
This Drum & Bass was **the real stuff baby** and it made the Orb track
(which I put on first after coming straight home) seem like it was done by
teenage amateurs! It's like they were tossing off on TD's music
(disrespect intended). It is sort like the first time you see a 'playboy'
and you think that it is so, well, purient; then you see some real
hard-core porn and you think 'playboy' ain't much different from National
Geographic, it just completely loses its e/affective power. That is about
the only way to describe the difference between this stuff: after hearing
this Drum & Bass, listening to the Orb was like looking playboy, it was a
joke; this Decoder stuff was the triple-x hard core thing you just don't
find everywhere; but once you do, nothing is ever the same again. Come on
Jerome, if you want to do club mixes, let's go find a club where they play
this stuff and see what it does to your mind & music!
Excuse the analogy to pornography here but I think it is the most accurate.
After all, like music, porn is supposed to affect and effect us at the
conscious, sub-conscious, emotional, sub-emotional, and instinctual levels.
It is supposed to appeal (at one level) to the brain stem and to the
'deeper' driving forces of biological reality (for better or for worse).
In some ways, that is what I like about TD's best stuff (when it's there),
it just seems to bypass the conscious and the emotional and go straight for
the core; I like music that functions like a driving force of nature, like
gravitation and sunlight and oxygen. Isn't this unconscious aspect
ultimately what makes music so appealing? Just why in the hell does music
appeal to us so much? It's not just for 'entertainment' value that we
spend billions of $$ on music every year. Even animals sometimes seem
deeply affected by it. It probably has always been an important driving,
unifying force in human culture--even when it was no more than rhythm and
voice. Through music--to a degree unlike any 'art' I think--we are
empowered to transcend the reality into which our consciousness dooms us
(the fall from grace/eden), to transcend this corporeal reality for some
reality that is far more powerful and tangible, something that unifies us
to the very forces of nature itself. Through music, we seem to able to
overcome the existential/solipist paradox, and to share the experience of
the existence of someone else. Through music we come to realize we are not
alone in our existence. But here I am waxing philosophical again so I
better go before you hit the delete key.
So, I suppose you're going to toss me off this list now?
lars
(blame it on London!)
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 1:59
am
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #881: another complaint
Really-From: spride@c... (Simon Pride)
In-Reply-To: <199704050802.CAA00933@c...>
> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 04:11:20 -0500
> Subject: two complaints
>
> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Hijacking Lars's thread...
Three:
People are posting here with mail clients such as Microsoft Mail (or
Exchange or Windows Messaging) which are sending the contents of their
posting first as plain ASCII, which is good, and then as HTML, which
produces huge, ugly messages full of irrelevant font and paragraph
information. Please configure your mailer to send plain ASCII only to the
list, as it's progressed from something that can be ignored through
irritating to somrhting which is adversely affecting my blood pressure!
:-)
Please feel free to mail me if you need help sorting this out, or read
the pages at
http://www.halcyon.com/goetter/widgets.htm
You might want to take a look at Ben Goetter's 'Internet Idioms' for
Exchange at that site - it's a collection of .DLLs, one of which can spot
when Exchange decides to post rich text to an Internet address and
squelch it :-)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 1:59
am
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #881: Encore/Hobo March
Really-From: spride@c... (Simon Pride)
In-Reply-To: <199704050802.CAA00933@c...>
> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>I stumbled upon an encore/hobo march single today;
> while
> I have known about this, I have no idea what part of encore it is or
> what
> hobo march sounds like. I probably won't ever know since I don't have a
> turntable. -- so could somebody please tell me which part of encore the
> single side is from and what hobo march is like?
> thanks
Side One is the first melodic section of 'Monolight' - the one with the
arpeggios and Moog solo over the top, at about 5 minutes in. Side Two is
Froese's 'Ode to Granny A' from 'Ages', verbatim and uncut if memory
serves. I too had this single (on Virgin, 7') but sold it in a misguided
period of political correctitiude and musical 'credibility'. :-(
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 7:17
pm
Subject: Re: exit tour CDs (?)
Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v...
>
> [Jul 81] EXIT
> Free 'Concert for Nuclear Disarmament and World Peace',
> Platz der Republik, Berlin [29 Aug 81] OFFICIAL BOOTLEG TAPE
> British Tour 81
> New Theatre, Oxford [15 Oct 81]
> Guildhall, Portsmouth [16 Oct 81]
> The Dome, Brighton [17 Oct 81]
> Hammersmith Odeon, London [20 Oct 81]
> City Hall, Sheffield [22 Oct 81]
> City Hall, Manchester [24 Oct 81]
> City Hall, Newcastle [25 Oct 81] SPACE & SPHERES, DREAMTIME
> Usher Hall, Edinburgh [26 Oct 81]
> Apollo, Glasgow [27 Oct 81]
> Guildhall, Preston [28 Oct 81]
> Royal Court, Liverpool [29 Oct 81]
> Gemeindezentrum Lukaskirche, Gelsenkirchen [11 Nov 81]
> 'Klassik Rock Nacht' Cirkus-Krone-Bau, Munich [9 Dec 81]
> ---- 82 ----
> [Jan 82] WHITE EAGLE
>
You missed Birmingham Odeon 21st October 1981
It happened, I was there (my first TD gig) I do remember them playing
some music from Force Majeure ( In the second Half)
Gaza
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 10:31
am
Subject: once again
Really-From: 'Martynas Storasta'
Here we are, today...
to tell the truth I did liked all of Yours opinions on these two mentioned
compilations (Story Of, Private Music Of TD), but...
I still need some more information about the other compilations which are
really acceptable and worth any audition. What about these?
Know some? Please, tell me on- or off-list.
Thanx,
Martynas,
who can't understand, how is it possible to have ALL the TD albums, but
also considerably positive on their compiled works...:-)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 8:48
pm
Subject: Re: d:zoning
Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v...
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
> > Really-From: Tony Marshall
> >
> > Yep. Track one is great - the rest are crap.
>
> Well thank you Tony for that definitive opinion. But me and Phil Vendy
> still like Zoning. -- Mark
>
I'm with Tony on this one (maybe not crap but not far off)
Gaza
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 11:55
am
Subject: Re: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3
Really-From: John Christian
><< 19:56+17:53+19:34+14:35=71:58 >>
>
> Amazing! Why, I wonder. It really seems silly to cut like this
>for practically no reason.
Don't forget this is quite old. Wasn't the original maximum CD length
72 minutes? I think the longer ones came later when people discovered
that by stretching the spec you could produce longer disks that played
on *most* players. I think some older ones have problems.
John
--
John Christian - mail:john@p...
AirSculpture
Try out WebMaze at
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59
pm
Subject: TD tour ticket info
Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner)
Moderne Welt in Stuttgart has returned all their remaining tickets to the
local concert halls, so you can no longer order tickets from them. You'll
have to contact the local concert agencies directly.
Also, their 'Goblins Club'-tourposters are sold out. No whining, I've told
you early enough where to get them. The two-piece ones with just the
writing (TD and the concert dates) are still in stock. And the guy in
charge was at least thinking of re-ordering the 'Goblins Club' ones ;-)
-klaus-
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59
pm
Subject: Klaus Beschorner
Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner)
>I wonder what happened to Klaus Beschorner and his regular boots
>updates. His discography has not been updated since '94. I miss his
>reports.
Thanks ;-) I have a job that requires much travelling across Europe, have a
far-away girlfriend and have moved a few months ago. The new appartment
needed a lot of work on it. All the new stuff sits, unheard and un-cataloged,
in a big box.
But one rainy weekend I'll jump onto it and get everything up to date.
Anyway, my last 'Update' on this list was sent out in Oct. 1996, and that's
the revision date of my collected file as well...
-klaus-
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 4:04
pm
Subject: re: 11/28/76 setlist
Really-From: Bill Lantz
Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...>
>>Thanks for the info. My tape was labeled 11/28/76 Paris but it's impossible
>>to tell which would be the right date. The band intro is clipped and the
>>only talking is by the band (Edgar?) in English. I'll likely change the date
>>to 11/22/76 to match the location given to me. Out of curiousity, what is
>>your source for that gig info?
>Bill,
>If you hear one of the band members talking (Peter Baumann most likely) at the
start of Side B of your tape (around 45 minutes into it, assuming it's a
90-minute tape), then that concert is indeed Paris Palais du Sport 11/22/76.
It's one of the few concert tapes in which you hear one of the band members
speak in the middle of the show.
>He mentions that the band would like to play a song based on some French
composer's work, right?
John,
Thank you for your response. This is indeed the tape. Perhaps this is where
I got the notion that they were performing 'songs' over all improvs that
evening. By the way, what is that song??
Bill
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 4:17
pm
Subject: RE : setlist for 11/28/76
Really-From: Bill Lantz
I wrote:
>> Did the members of Tdream at that time hit the stage with no idea what
>> they were going to do? I'd be interested to know if that is the case.
Mark Filipak wrote:
>Come on Bill. You know what improv means, don't you? I've heard quite
of bit of this early stuff now. You get hints of future themes here and
there, but only hints -- a particularly familiar sounding sequence every
now and then only lasting for 10 or 20 seconds, but nothing you could
build a track listing around. -- Mark
I haven't heard alot of this live early stuff so I really had nothing to
base that assumption on - only the thought that it was nothing I had heard
before for the most part - a feeling I got everytime I bought a new TD album
years ago. John Burek reminded me that Peter introduces a song mid-way
through the set so I was probably swayed by that, thinking they knew what
they wanted to do over merely improvising.
In the pursuit of many other live tapes of other bands, notably Frank Zappa,
there are many occurances of non-released perfomances of songs that may be
construed as improv, many one time only, that were not known to the casual
enthusiast, only the hardcore. I admit to not being hardcore as far as
pursuing live TD recordings and figured maybe the material was know to a
select few. This was the intention of my original request.
Bill
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 2:14
am
Subject: Undulation
Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v...
Hi all
Wonder if anyone can help me
I was looking through my record collection and came across a CD I had
almost forgotten about. It is by TD it is called Soundtrack for fantasy
Live in Detroit USA 'undulation' Its obviously a bootleg on
Cash records, supposedly a limited edition of 500. My question is anyone
any Idea which year, I guess my self it would be around 1980. Most of the
music is new to me but there was a bit of force majeure at the end (not
unlike the exit tour 81, see my earlier mail).
hope someone can help 'Name that year'
cheers
Gaza
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 9:33
pm
Subject: Re: KS: The Works
Really-From: 'Simon W. Hood'
In article <199704041707.LAA04787@c...>, tadream mailing list
writes
>Does anyone have a copy of the Klaus Schulze book _The Works_ you'd be
>willing to consult for me? I need to check some information. Thanks.
>
>Scott
I have one that is correct up to 1991 (the time of Klaus's Royal
Festival Hall, London concert). If there's anything I can look up for
you, just go ahead...
--
Simon W. Hood
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 6:48
pm
Subject: Spamming
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi all,
I was spammed (twice) yesterday by our friend 'rocket3@i...'. This was
my response. You might like to try it yourself next time someone sends junk
to you.
]Dear Rocket3,
>Hello! I wanted to share something very important.
>Thanks for reading and choosing life. Hope to hear from you soon!
My response follows :
]Thank you for your letters which I received today.
]
]I hope that you found our internet information system and the mail facility
]of value to your operation. We aim to provide a quality service to all of
]our customers and welcome any feedback you may wish to pass on.
]
]Unfortunately, this is not a free service. Your first message was processed
]by our operators without charge. Your second letter has incurred our
]standard processing change of $50. Please make your cheque payable to
]'David J. Hughes' and mail it to the following address :
]
] My home address... :
]
]Yours Faithfully,
]
]David J. Hughes
This solution came from a program on Channel 4 in the UK in which an
American dude was being plagued by telesales people who were after him for
double glazing, burgular alarms, free trials etc etc etc. Sometimes the
same company would ring back week after week until he found this solution.
You just let the telesales person know that they are calling you on a
private line and that they are therefore using your facilities to carry out
their business. Hence, you are entitled to charge a reasonable fee for the
use of your facilities. The first call is free, the second costs them
twenty bucks. It's remarkable how quickly you disappear off their records
once they realise that it's gonna cost them money to call you!
I tried to respond to our friend Rocket3 but, unfortunately, their
administrator bounced the mail saying that their mailbox was full. I'll
wait a few days and send it again.
TD Content : I just bought 'Green Desert' and it's stewing nicely. Feels
different from other TD stuff of the same epoch. It's supposed to have been
an unreleased studio album from around '73 but it sounds too clean. It says
remixed and remastered in 1984 but even that doesn't seem right. Have I got
something wrong here?
Cheers
David
T-Bass : Electronic Music
email : dhughes@g...
web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 6:48
pm
Subject: Waaa...! I missed this!
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi all,
>Here's a bit of chronology between 'Exit' and 'White Eagle'. If TD had
>an Exit tour, I guess it would have been the 81 UK tour.
>
> [Jul 81] EXIT
> City Hall, Newcastle [25 Oct 81] SPACE & SPHERES, DREAMTIME
SH*T! With a capital S! I missed this. How can I get a copy of this album?
Anybody keen to put this on CDR for me? I've not seen this commercially
available. What's the quality like?
Cheers
David
T-Bass : Electronic Music
email : dhughes@g...
web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 8:18
pm
Subject: POLAND Single CD (It's Not Relativity)
Really-From: MPOORT@a...
Hej! Just to address the question again, as some of you were wondering:
The POLAND single CD that I found was not on Relativity. It is the
Jive-Electro release, three tracks (no 'hidden' track), that looks almost
exactly like my 2 CD set by Relativity (Froese, Schmoelling, Franke on the
cover with inverse features (like looking at a photo negative), etc.). It
contains trimmed versions of Poland, Horizon, and Barbakane (a few seconds
from the first two, but around four minutes of Barbakane).
Single CD Jive-Electro release (8.26099 ZP)
2 CD Relativity release (88561-8045-2)
MPoort
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 1:28
pm
Subject: Re: orb mandarin cream and other discoveries
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 04:16 AM 4/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>
>Dreamers
>Got the Orb's Mandarin Cream Remix today; but what a totally weird,
>life-altering day it was--a day I was exposed to three totally different
>degrees of music.
>
>***** (WARNING: OPINION ZONE) *****
[.......snip........]
Lars,
First, let me congratulate you on your ability to describe music. Until
now it was my opinion that talking about music is like dancing to
architecture. You set me straight. I have a very vivid understanding
of what Decoder and 'Drum & Bass' must sound like. I am on a quest.
Thanks.
Secondly, the readership of this list seems to be divided along several
lines of preferences. In TD terms, one division line is what I would call
the Jan Hammer crowd (sweet, nice, melodic music) and the Haslinger
crowd (punched, driving, heart-thumping music). I said *PREFERNCES*,
meaning that we are likely to listen to most anything by TD. Although,
personally, I have only a minor interest in anything they have done
since '86. OK, OK....'After the Call' from Miracle Mile does send me places.
A second division separate the 'purists' who want to talk about nothing
but TD from those of us who want to listen to good music, regardless of
provenance. The latter group, still VERY MUCH a TD-fan group,
appreciates hearing about new finds and new discoveries.
I feel particularly fortunate to belong to this list , because it has
enabled me
to understand TD, collect all their albums, and 'meet' all of you. I also
just finished listening to Network 388 (THANKS, Jeff!), after having
experienced, in the last few weeks the music of Paul Nagle, David Hughes,
Ash Prema, and John Christian. THANKS FELLOWS! You all have brought
a lot of pleasure and beauty into me ears and heart.
So, if YOU get thrown off the list, Lars :-), I am gone too, because 'Goblins'
Club' doesn't do a thing for me, while Jeff Bergman's 'Manhattan' does.
So there.
With reference to your mind/ear-altering experience, I am sure we all have had
similar feelings. Having arrived in the States only a few years before, I
remember the precise day and time when I first heard Pink Floyd's 'Echoes.'
My life hasn't been the same since. Mind you, until then I thought that
Domenico
Modugno was hot. A similar mind-bending experience in 1974 ('Phaedra'!)
has brought me closer to where I am today (musically, for sure, but maybe
other ways too).
In other words, Lars, I truly appreciate your post. I can only hope that
others
will follow suit, although I doubt it we can do it with as much verve and
color
as you have. Thanks, man.
Andrew
P.S. I can hardly wait to hear/experience the result of Francisco's intricate
(and, to me, still mysterious) endeavors.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 1:35
pm
Subject: This LIST is repsonsible!
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
I hold the readership of this list solely responsible for my total inability
to be able to sport a TD T-shirt or display a poster in my study.
What, am I supposed to come to Berlin and rip off a poster off a
wall to get one?
Sheeeeesh....
Brokenheartedly,
Andrew
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 9:26
pm
Subject: Re: Spamming
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 07:48 PM 4/5/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
>TD Content : I just bought 'Green Desert' and it's stewing nicely. Feels
>different from other TD stuff of the same epoch. It's supposed to have been
>an unreleased studio album from around '73 but it sounds too clean. It says
>remixed and remastered in 1984 but even that doesn't seem right. Have I got
>something wrong here?
No, the booklet is correct. It was recorded in 1973 by Edgar Froese and
Chris Franke and then slightly tangentized in 1984. The recording is clean
because it was digitally remastered using Edgar's DQC system. I expect that
the next re-release of Phaedra should sound just as clean.
Morgan
feldon@n...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 9:28
pm
Subject: Re: POLAND Single CD (It's Not Relativity)
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 03:18 PM 4/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: MPOORT@a...
>
>
>Hej! Just to address the question again, as some of you were wondering:
>
>The POLAND single CD that I found...looks almost
>exactly like my 2 CD set by Relativity (Froese, Schmoelling, Franke on the
>cover with inverse features (like looking at a photo negative), etc.). It
>contains trimmed versions of Poland, Horizon, and Barbakane (a few seconds
>from the first two, but around four minutes of Barbakane).
They put Horizon instead of Tangent? Egads!
Morgan
feldon@n...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 9:33
pm
Subject: 70/80 Das MADCHEN
Really-From: Michael A Jean
www.vinyltap.co.uk
I don't who who these people are but they reportedly have the 70/80 Box,
and the Das Madchen 12', 7' and DAYDREAM 7' for sale...
Mike J
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 12:41
am
Subject: TD Fans: Old and New
Really-From: Greg Heil
Regarding the 'preferences' of the various styles of music. Many of us
T-Dream fans have only recently (past couple years) found this group,
and usually the first album we choose to hear of T-Dream was one we
liked. My first album of TD was the 'Private music of Tangerine Dream'
(late 80's compiliation) and because I liked that 'Haslinger' style, I
bought into T-Dream. If I were to try and listen to maybe 'Tangram'
(which I got just yesterday and is totally awesome) I would have
returned it because a certain level of understanding had not took place
with the origin, style, level of technology of the time, and sheer
patience to listen to the entire album. One other 'truth' I have found
is that us recent T-dream fans find that we are slowly creeping into the
past to buy older TD albums as we develop tastes and interests for the
older stuff--we all will eventually make it to 'Zeit' and 'Electronic
Meditation' someday..
It's hard to appreciate the older albums like those who have been fans
since the begginng. The thrill of electronic music is all but gone
today, and it's not TD's fault. The sheer abusal of the sounds and
instruments for 'quick' and 'simple' melodies over the same old bass
thumps has turned the mass musically interested crowd away from
electronics.
Greg..
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 1:18
am
Subject: Re: Undulation
Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
Gaza,
Undulation was not recorded in Detroit.It was recorded in England by a
friend of the owner of Minette Music.The guy in England lent it to a friend
and he put it on
CD and didn't share the wealth with him.If I can find out the year I will
let you
know.
Robert
At 01:14 AM 4/6/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v...
>
>
>Hi all
>Wonder if anyone can help me
>I was looking through my record collection and came across a CD I had
>almost forgotten about. It is by TD it is called Soundtrack for fantasy
>Live in Detroit USA 'undulation' Its obviously a bootleg on
>Cash records, supposedly a limited edition of 500. My question is anyone
>any Idea which year, I guess my self it would be around 1980. Most of the
>music is new to me but there was a bit of force majeure at the end (not
>unlike the exit tour 81, see my earlier mail).
>hope someone can help 'Name that year'
>cheers
>Gaza
>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 1:35
am
Subject: Bootlegs for trade
Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
Hi all,
I have available for trade the following CD's:
Tangerine Dream Ardem-O (agronautica americana part 2)
recorded live in USA 1988
Silver Rarities 30
2copies
Tangerine Dream Collected Endings (argonautica americana part 3)
recorded live in USA 1976 and 1988
Silver Rarities 31
I am looking for other bootleg concerts or other rare items.
The following is what I have so if it is not here I want it:
Me-Rad
Ardem-O
Collected Endings
Antarktis I & II
Patrolling Space Borders
In the Garden of the Pharoh's/Bicycle Race
Mystery Tracks I
Undulation
If anyone is interested please E-mail me off list at HGHLNDR@w...
Thanks,
Robert
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 1:50
am
Subject: R&F Productions and Compact Discs
Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
Hello All,
Randy and Fred wanted me to pass this on to you.They said:
'Don't let our jobs stop you from sending us whatever it is you want put on
CD.(i.e. questionable lyrics etc.) We will put anything on CD for you.'
They didn't want you to think Big Brother or the Thought Police were
involved.
Robert
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 9:15
pm
Subject: Re: A Couple Questions..
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Greg Heil
>
> [Zeit]
>
> ... I mean, how can a compony really get away with trimming as much
> as three to four minutes of music and release it as if it were
> final say for that album?
This is at the same time easy to answer and hard to answer. The holder
of the rights to a piece of music can do anything they want to with it I
suppose. An early fade on a piece like Zeit would be very hard to
detect if you weren't very familiar with it. I guess the company
figures this doesn't describe very many people. Morally, I don't think
they really care, but who's to say Zeit wasn't originally 40 minutes
long and got cut down by the band to fit on an LP side? This is the
part that's hard to answer. Only the band would know.
> ... And one last thing: In the Virgin CD releases of T-Dream, the CD
> mastering was done by a group called Chop-Em Out in London.. what comes
> to mind when you hear a title like that? Oh pretty please be careful
> with those sounds.. yeah..yeah I know it isn't grunge.. no.. please
> please.. just be careful.. and patience.. Hey!! don't throw discs
> around will ya! This ain't an assembly line kinda deal here eh!
> Er.. you are Chopping them Out.. oops!
Heee, heee, heeeee.... Actually, Simon at Chop-Em Out seems to have done
a great job on the TAND series of albums I have -- especially Tangram.
I get a secure feeling when someone has actually put their name on their
work. In this case, my feeling seems to have been confirmed. -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Re: Undulation info
Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...>
>>Hi all
>>Wonder if anyone can help me
>>I was looking through my record collection and came across a CD I had
>>almost forgotten about. It is by TD it is called Soundtrack for fantasy
>>Live in Detroit USA 'undulation' Its obviously a bootleg on
>>Cash records, supposedly a limited edition of 500. My question is anyone
>>any Idea which year, I guess my self it would be around 1980. Most of the
>>music is new to me but there was a bit of force majeure at the end (not
>>unlike the exit tour 81, see my earlier mail).
>>hope someone can help 'Name that year'
>>cheers
>>Gaza
Hello Gaza,
That CD is from the TD concert at Preston Guild Hall (UK), 5th of November 1980.
It indeed says Live in Detroit, but that's wrong. TD only played in Detroit in
1977, 1988, and 1992, and that music is definitely from the TD European tour of
1980.
It's the first 45 minutes of the concert (full first set), and it was originally
released as a b**t LP before the CD appeared. Really none of the music has
official titles except for the Force Majeure bit near the end.
--John Burek
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 2:15
am
Subject: Re: Spamming
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
>
-thanks for the tip on spammers-
>
> TD Content : I just bought 'Green Desert' and it's stewing nicely.
> Feels different from other TD stuff of the same epoch. It's supposed
> to have been an unreleased studio album from around '73 but it sounds
> too clean. It says remixed and remastered in 1984 but even that
> doesn't seem right. Have I got something wrong here?
No, you have it right. -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 5:42
am
Subject: D: ()()() 'Zoning' ()()()
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
5-April-1997
Tangerine Dream
'Zoning'
Published - 1996
Purchased - 1996
Format - CD
Label - Repertoire
Catalog - REP 4595-WY
Personnel - Froese & Froese
There is a good amount of this recording that I like. Sure it does
seem more like an Edgar solo effort, but it isn't, and even if it was, it's
not a bad solo effort. There are occasional Edgar signatures; like the
Wicked Witch of the West's Soldiers Marching Song -- 'OH-WEE-OH, WE-OHH-OH'
-- which always strikes me as being a bit silly, but this is because it
always pulls me out of context.
Two of my favourite tracks on this release are 'Headhunter' &
'Unfit For Consumption'. The Sax part on 'Headhunter' is dynamite. I don't
know if it's a real sax or not, but it sounds real. 'Unfit For Consumption'
is a very interesting juxtaposition of two common threads which I've never
heard together before. It relays an odd kind of Spooky Urgency.
There is quite a variety of tunes and sounds here, maybe not all
stellar compositions but none-the-less competent and engaging for the most
part.
That last track, though. It sounds like it was extracted from
'Dream Mixes'. There is alot of Jerome in this 'Missing Link' cut. Alot! I
like it though.
I paid alot for this Disc when it first came out. Primarily
because of the comments from people on this list. Pro & Con. It still has
the $21.97 sticker on the spine. $21.97 is more than I would pay for it now,
but it is still worth a premium price, in my opinion. I'm not sorry I paid
this much.
Phil Naunton - See ya later.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 7:39
am
Subject: About Green Drsert and Phaedra
Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: feldon@n...
> > Really from dhughes@g...
[About Green Desert]
> > It says
> >remixed and remastered in 1984 but even that doesn't seem right. Have I got
> >something wrong here?
>
> No, the booklet is correct. It was recorded in 1973 by Edgar Froese and
> Chris Franke and then slightly tangentized in 1984. The recording is clean
> because it was digitally remastered using Edgar's DQC system. I expect that
> the next re-release of Phaedra should sound just as clean.
Look for Phaedra, 'definitive edition' ( Vigin, SBM Editon). It sounds
very clean (I likie it very much),and don't expect another release form
other source because the rigths of this work belongs to Virgin.
> Morgan
> feldon@n...
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From:
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Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 8:01
am
Subject: Re: HEAR DAS MADCHEN
Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
> In less than five minutes from now we can download the audio file of DAS
> MADCHEN from the TD webpage, but only for the next 15
> minutes...unfirtunately, I don't have this capability...if anyne does, let
> me know if you were successful
YOu'll need Real audio ( they no longer work with streamworks).
Quality in 28.8 modem is rather poor. I don't know how it sounds on a
56,6 K digital line. Somebody tried in one of these ?
---
Fancisco
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tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 5:39
pm
Subject: Re: TD Fans: Old and New
Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v...
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Greg Heil
> --we all will eventually make it to 'Zeit' and 'Electronic
> Meditation' someday..
>
> Greg..
Have been in to TD since about 1979 and I still havn't made it to
Electronic Meditation. If it had been the first TD album I bought it
would have been the last.
Gaza.
From:
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Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 6:14
pm
Subject: Thanks
Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v...
To every one who sent information regarding 'Undulation' Thanks.
The wealth and accuracy of knowledge form this list never ceases to amaze
me.
Cheers
Gaza
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Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 1:14
pm
Subject: talk during concert
Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
>
>Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...>
>
>If you hear one of the band members talking (Peter Baumann most likely) at the
>start of Side B of your tape (around 45 minutes into it, assuming it's a
>
where else can you hear them talking to the audience, and what
do they have to say? In Aachen, Germany, Jan. 21st 1981, Edgar
grapped a microphone after the first set just to remind us that
we could buy T shirts outside (as documented on the fantape, beside
my and my cousin's chat). Were they running out of money?
Armin
Armin Theissen
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From:
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Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 3:57
pm
Subject: Phaedra - Digital Masters
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
-snip-
> Look for Phaedra, 'definitive edition' ( Vigin, SBM Editon). It sounds
> very clean (I likie it very much),and don't expect another release form
> other source because the rigths of this work belongs to Virgin.
[1995] Virgin (DE) 610 378 (digital master?)
[1995] Virgin (GB) TAND 5 (digital master)
Virgin's American subsidiary has been releasing the TANDs in the US
under new catalog numbers, but I haven't seen one of 'Phaedra' yet.
To our German friends: Virgin, 610 378 also came out in 1995. Is it
also a digital remaster?
Thanks -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 5:58
pm
Subject: The Hills Are Alive With the Sound of ... TD ?
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Hi fellow Dreamers. I got three albums recently that will definitely
appeal to your dreamier side, provided you aren't completely jaded. In
order, from good to great, they are:
Various Artists, 'Tangerine Ambience'
Global Communications, '76 14'
Free System Projekt, 'Impulse'
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Various Artists, 'Tangerine Ambience: A Tribute to Tangerine Dream' - I
read how some folk bashed the hell out of this album a few weeks ago in
mute appreciation because I hadn't heard it. But recently I got the
opportunity to acquire it for $3 -- I said to myself, 'What the heck.'
Given what had been written, I expected the auditory equivalent of
processed cheese food. Boy, was I surprised with what came out of the
speakers!
Various Artists, 'Tangerine Ambience' [74:30] Hypnotic, CLP 9723-2
1- Invisible Lights, performed by Inter-Mase [7:50]
2- Phaedra, performed by Surface 10 [9:08]
3- Force Majeure, performed by Rey Project [10:10]
4- Mojave Plan, performed by Supersonic Project [10:16]
5- Exit, performed by Dean De Benedictis [8:58]
6- Dolphin Dance, performed by Rey Project [5:33]
7- Bent Cold Sidewalk, performed by Giez and Webb [6:27]
8- Horizon, written by Steve Schroyder and Gene Gross,
performed by Augenstern [3:08]
9- Solar Cells, written and performed by Conrad Schnitzler [12:56]
Tracks 1 to 7 are covers of TD classics we should all be very familiar
with. Dispite the name, track 8 is not from 'Poland' but is an
original composition by Steve Schroyder and Gene Gross. And track 9 is
written and performed by Connie Schnitzler. All of the seven covers
are very recognizable and extremely well done using modern instruments
and displaying real sensitivity on the part of the performers. But to
my ears, Dean De Benedictis is the star of this show.
The best track is 'Phaedra' which Dean does under his pseudonym of
Surface 10. It really cooks and (gasp!) sounds fresher and punchier
than any treatment I've heard TD give it. Of all the covers, this one
is the best integration of old and new and by itself was worth my $3
price of admission. Lots of textures and nice Baumann-esque touches
overlaid with subtle improvisations that fit right in. 5AS. On track
3, De Benedictis reappears to do an even more somber and heavy version
of 'Exit' than the original. It's exquisitely done and his slightly
slower interpretation works very well. Dean's a real class act and his
deft touch with tasty FX adds richness to what can otherwise be a
pretty relentless theme. 4AS.
'Invisible Lights' is quite true to the original and may contain some
samples from the original which were then overdubbed with some nicely
done sweeps and a terrific, syncopated percussion track -- very subdued
techno-ambient -- turning this into a real cruiser. Purists will hate
it. 4AS.
'Bent Cold Sidewalk' is given a very interesting treatment by Giez and
Webb, unknown people to me. The vocals are clean and pleasant and the
instrumentation and sampled sounds are quite good. An entertaining
track. 3AS.
The rest of the covers sound like they were quickly done just to have
something to fill the project out. I have to confess that 'Force
Majeure' is not one of my favs and the noodling that Rey Project adds
doesn't help. It's a yeoman rendition but a little too Alan
Parsons-ish for my tastes. 2AS. Rey Project reappears on track 6 to
cover 'Dolphin Dance' but it lacks spirit, sounding washed out and
lifeless. 2AS. Supersonic Project's cover of 'Mojave Plan' is a
little thin and Casio sounding. Stick with the original. 2AS.
'Horizon' on track 8 is a short tune sounding very TD-ish but as I
noted, is not a cover of anything from 'Poland' that I could discern.
Too short to really get into but good while it lasts. 3AS.
Connie Schnitzler's 'Solar Cells' is typical Schnitzler I guess. I've
never really cared for his work so I'm leaving this unrated, but CS
fans will probably like it. I doesn't really go anywhere, but none of
his stuff that I've heard does. It's a series of demi-themes with tons
of effects, spacey for the most part, and ends with a long texture
canvas full of slow filter sweeps.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Global Communications, '76 14' - This album has been praised to the
skys on the Ambient Music List. So what's the TD content? You'll see.
Global Communications, '76 14' [76:14] Dedicated, DEDCD 014
1- 4 02 [4:02] 2- 14 31 [14:31]
3- 9 25 [9:25] 4- 9 39 [9:39]
5- 7 39 [7:39] 6- 0 54 [0:54]
7- 8 07 [8:07] 8- 5 23 [5:23]
9- 4 14 [4:14] 10- 12 18 [12:18]
In the insert, Tom Middleton and Mark Pritchard explain the numerical
track titles -- no, not the obvious -- they explain why they didn't
give the tracks names. Seems they didn't want to 'bias the listener by
pre-defining images, places and feelings.' Good thing too, because
otherwise, tracks 7 and 8, which really form one continuous tune, would
have conjured up images of Tom Cruise & Rebecca De Mornay before even
hearing them. You guessed it, these two tracks are a 13-1/2 minute
cover of 'Love on a Real Train' and they're excellent. I guess that's
TD content enough. The rest of the album is excellent too -- full of
very smooth dream cruisers (no pun intended). I resisted getting this
album because I was too busy buying up TD. Now I'm so glad I got it
while it's still around. Hint: your local store my have it filed under
'Dedicated' as that's the only thing on the outside that remotely looks
like it might be an artist's name. Another thing about the album that
might be familiar to some is a prominently displayed lobe, Ohr should I
say 'ear,' right in the middle of the cover -- sheesh, can these guys
ever drop a hint! Tom? Mark? Are you guys lurking?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Free System Projekt, 'Impulse' - Listening to this album will answer
the (age old?) question: what would the lineup Froese, Baumann,
Franke, and Schmoelling have sounded like?
Free System Projekt, 'Impulse' [50:03] Free System Studio, CDR0001
1- The Closening [9:54] 2- The Nightmare [9:48]
3- The Chase [8:59] 4- The Opening [6:51]
5- The Relief [7:23] 6- The Closening Pt.2 [6:50]
Every so often I find an album I like right away, but that continues to
develop character and richness with repeated listenings. 'Impulse' is
just such an album. Upon hearing many of the touchstone sounds of
early Virgin TD: lean compositions incorporating a judicious balance of
motoric sequencer rhythms, lush, round, mellow synth, and frugal use of
chorus, I find myself rapidly settling into a Baumann reverie. Then,
surprise! -- along comes some very Schmoelling-esque keyboards to
freshen the mix.
'Impulse' has been stuck in my CD player for three days now, a record
only Mark Shreeve can challenge. All the compositions start modestly,
then develop complexity as they build up layer upon layer of interwoven
textures atop a unifying theme, then smoothly unwind to a gentle,
lingering finish. Though none of them are identifiable as TD tunes,
the tracks nonetheless sound like TD without being TD. It's puzzling.
There isn't a single phrase or melody that I can identify, but the
music makes me feel all T-Dreamy. One of my complaints about
solo-Franke is that he tends to push a melody a little too far. FSP on
the other hand leaves me breathless with each tantilizing change,
making a move just at the point when a pattern is barely emerging --
like watching a column of ants, then getting lost in the movements of
individual ants only to get distracted by the patterns formed by the
whole colony again, this music is simultaneously simple and complex.
Each time I take a break to tend to some chore and then return to the
music later I say to myself, 'Oh, this stuff is really kind of
simple.' An hour later I'm laying on the floor again, amazed at how
complex it really is. There's a subtlety to it that's very hard to pin
down and I can't seem to get enough of this album. 4AS (but a high
4AS).
As of this writing, 'Impulse' has not been commercially released. It
_may_ be available from Marcel Engles , but you will have
to ask him about that. I hope he doesn't get mad at me for posting
this review, but I had to tell the list just how wonderful his album is.
Your humble reviewer: Mark Filipak
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 4:40
pm
Subject: Not TD: Book list - recommendations?
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
I have not had any luck on finding any books on TD. They are all out
of print with no reprinting planned.
The following is a list of books on electronic music. Can anyone
comment on any fo them as to their quality and desirability? Please.
All replies will be appreciated. Even nasty ones.
Andrew
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Electric Sound : The Past and Promise of Electronic Music; Joel Chadabe;
Paperback; $33.33; Descriptive information available.
An Introduction to the Creation of Electroacoustic Music; Samuel Pellman;
Paperback; $50.95
21st Century Musical Instruments : Hardware and Software (I S A M
Monographs, No 29); Jon Appleton; Paperback; $12.00 (Special Order)
Electronic and Computer Music; Paperback (Special Order)
Electronic and Computer Music; Peter Manning; Paperback; $24.00 (Back
Ordered)
Electronic and Computer Music : An Annotated Bibliography (Music Reference
Collection, No. 56); Robert L. Wick; Hardcover; $79.50 (Special Order)
Electronic Music : A Listener's Guide (De Capo Press Music Reprint Series);
Elliott Schwartz; Hardcover; $34.00 (Back Ordered)
Introduction to Electro Acoustic Music; Hardcover (Publisher Out Of Stock)
The Language of Electroacoustic Music; Simon Emmerson (Editor); Hardcover;
$39.00 (Special Order)
Liberation of Sound (Music Reprint); Herbert Russcol; Hardcover; $40.50
(Not Yet Published)
On the Wires of Our Nerves : The Art of Electroacoustic Music; Robin Julian
Heifetz (Editor); Hardcover; $36.50 (Special Order)
Serial Music : A Classified Bibliography of Writings on Twelve-Tone and
Electronic Music; Ann Phillips Basart; Hardcover; $47.50 (Special Order)
Synthesis; Paperback (Special Order)
Synthesis : An Introduction to the History, Theory & Practice of Electronic
Music; Herbert A. Deutsch; Paperback; $15.95 (Special Order)
The Art of Electronic Music; Paperback (Hard to Find)
The Art of Electronic Music; Tom Darter (Compiler), Greg Armbruster
(Editor); Paperback (Hard to Find)
Current Directions in Computer Music Research (System Development
Foundation Benchmark Series, 2); Max V. Mathews, John Pierce (Editor);
Textbook Binding (Hard to Find)
The Development and Practice of Electronic Music.; Jon H., Comp. Appleton;
Hardcover (Hard to Find)
Electronic and Computer Music; Paperback (Hard to Find)
Electronic and Computer Music; Peter Manning; Paperback (Hard to Find)
Electronic and Experimental Music; Thomas B. Holmes; Paperback (Hard to
Find)
Electronic and Experimental Music; Thomas B. Holmes; Hardcover (Hard to
Find)
The Electronic Arts of Sound and Light; Ronald Pellegrino; Hardcover (Hard
to Find)
Electronic music; Andy Mackay; Unknown Binding (Hard to Find)
Electronic Music; Hardcover (Hard to Find)
Electronic Music; Andy MacKay; Hardcover (Hard to Find)
Electronic music : a listener's guide; Elliott Schwartz; Unknown Binding
(Hard to Find)
Electronic Music : A Listener's Guide; Elliott S. Schwartz; Paperback (Hard
to Find)
Electronic Music Production; Paperback (Hard to Find)
Electronic Music Production; Alan Douglas; Paperback (Hard to Find)
Electronic music production; Alan Lockhart Monteith Douglas; Unknown
Binding (Hard to Find)
The Evolution of Electronic Music; David Ernst; Paperback (Hard to Find)
Foundations of Computer Music; Curtis Roads, John Strawn (Editor);
Hardcover (Hard to Find)
A Guide to Electronic Music; Paperback (Hard to Find)
A Guide to Electronic Music; Paul Griffiths; Paperback (Hard to Find)
An individual note: of music, sound and electronics; Daphne Oram; Unknown
Binding (Hard to Find)
Introduction to Electro Acoustic Music; Schrader; Hardcover (Hard to Find)
The Liberation of Sound: An Introduction to Electronic Music.; Herbert.
Russcol; Hardcover (Hard to Find)
Musical Microcomputer : A Resource Guide (Garland Reference Library of the
Humanities, Vol 854); Craig Lister; Hardcover (Hard to Find)
Principles and Practice of Electronic Music; G Trythall; School & Library
Binding (Hard to Find).
From:
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 11:34
pm
Subject: Hamburg gig
Really-From: stephan bischoff
Hi anyone,
is there someone out there who is going visit the Hamburg concert?
Please contact me, maybe we can organize at meet somewhere.
Regards, Stephan
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 8:10
am
Subject: Re: zlatko
Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuliæ/Sasha Sekulich)
On Fri, 04 Apr 1997 13:10:28 -0700 (MST), you wrote:
>Really-From: dbrewer@a...
>I'm for Zlatko's return myself. I do agree that he was too much into the
>speedy riffs thing for a while. But I think that by the time TotT came
>out, he really refined his playing, making a more meaningful contribution
>to the songs and not just noodling at warp factor 9 over the keyboard
>parts. I wish I could go to see the Euopean tour! :-(
Could somebody tell me what's Zlatko's surname? Is it maybe Manojlovic (
Santana's ex-guitarist)?
Yeah, I know, I should get more TD albums...
**********
Sasa Sekulic, Student at the Faculty of Physics, University of Belgrade
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email: mrsasha@b..., mrsasha@a...
homepage: http://afrodita.rcub.bg.ac.yu/~mrsasha/
From:
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 1:52
am
Subject: Re: Tyger
Really-From: Gary Davis
In a message dated 97-04-06 21:08:58 EDT,
CHRIS_THAM@H... writes:
> For those of you interested in hearing more of William Blake's words set
> to music, check out Tangerine Dream's 'Tyger'. It seems to be one of
> those albums TD fans either love or hate, it's certainly quite different
> from their normal compositions.
>
While I'm on the pro side of that album, I can see why many don't like it.
While on the one hand I think the concept of the album was inspired and the
music is great, I have to say that the choice of vocalist for the material
couldn't have been worse. She's a cross between broadway and gospel (could
have been an extra in The Wiz). Stylistically she was just all wrong for
the part. I really didn't think she had any awareness of or feeling for
Blake's work and couldn't even pronounce 'Thames' right!
TD's music for that seemed to me to be a cross between rock and minimalist
classical. Any number of progressive vocalists could have handled that
music in their sleep - Jon Anderson, Greg Lake, Annie Haslam, Ian Anderson,
etc. Maybe even an operatic vocalist or a choir in a Gregorian chant style.
In fact, I think TD's concept could have worked best if they'd tried the
methodology Vangelis used for 'Voices' or 'See You Later' using different
vocalists for different tracks instead of one for the entire album. With a
different approach, Tyger could have been a classic.
Gary
Check out my Christpher Franke page at
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 2:37
am
Subject: d:Zoning
Really-From: Rich Maggio
AS: 3
I recently bought this CD. It is very good - not great, but not
just good (if that makes sense). As others have noted already, this
would have been appropriately called an Edgar Froese solo CD rather
than TD. It puts me in mind of the new material on Beyond the Storm.
I happen to really like BtS - both the new and old stuff.
Anyone that has given this CD a good rating says that they like track
1 and track 13 (first and last) the best. With all of the Jerome
bashing that goes on here, I think it is ironic that these two tracks
are the only one that Jerome helped write - and you can here it in the
music.
I agree that track 1 is very good, but my favorite on this CD is track
2 - Skyscraper. To me, it has some of that dramatic feel to it that you
hear in some of TD's mid 80's soundtracks. This is something that I
miss in their music today. Track 13 (Missing Link) I can do without.
It has the standard Jerome drumming signature that I have grown
weary of.
The tracks that stand out for me are:
Track 1: The conspiracy
Track 2: Skyscraper (my fav on the CD)
Track 8: Good Choice, Bad Timing
Track 10:Unfit for Consumption
The rest to me are nothing really special for me.
I noticed that track 12 (Eyewitness News) is featured on disk 5
of Tangents by a different name. This disk is supposed to be unreleased
tracks. Is it that the Zoning soundtrack wasn't out when Tangents was
released? They both came out the same year ('94). Anyway, I didn't
like this track on Tangents, and I still don't like it on Zoning.
Question: Is Linda Spa playing sax on Headhunter (track 3)? It sounds
like her, though she is not given credit in the liner notes. Just
curious.
Bottom line: I don't feel the CD is a complete waste of money. It's
worth popping into the player every now and then, but I doubt I will
ever say to myself 'Self, I'm in a Zoning mood today!'. However, I
routinely say to myself 'Self, I'm in a Tangram mood today!'.
Rich Maggio
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 2:58
am
Subject: Re: zlatko
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 01:10 AM 4/7/97 GMT, you wrote:
>Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuliæ/Sasha Sekulich)
>
>Could somebody tell me what's Zlatko's surname? Is it maybe Manojlovic (
>Santana's ex-guitarist)?
Zlatko's last name? Perica
On the liner notes of Turn of the Tides.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 3:00
am
Subject: Re: TD Fans: Old and New
Really-From: Rich Maggio
> Really-From: Greg Heil
>
> Regarding the 'preferences' of the various styles of music. Many of us
> T-Dream fans have only recently (past couple years) found this group,
> and usually the first album we choose to hear of T-Dream was one we
> liked. My first album of TD was the 'Private music of Tangerine Dream'
> (late 80's compiliation) and because I liked that 'Haslinger' style, I
> bought into T-Dream. If I were to try and listen to maybe 'Tangram'
> (which I got just yesterday and is totally awesome) I would have
> returned it because a certain level of understanding had not took place
> with the origin, style, level of technology of the time, and sheer
> patience to listen to the entire album. One other 'truth' I have found
> is that us recent T-dream fans find that we are slowly creeping into the
> past to buy older TD albums as we develop tastes and interests for the
> older stuff--we all will eventually make it to 'Zeit' and 'Electronic
> Meditation' someday..
>
(See Lars, I'm being a good net citizen :-)
I agree completely with Greg - I went through the same process. My
first
TD experience was Optical Race. For the longest time (3 years maybe),
this
was among my favorite TD titles. It has now been pushed down the stack
by Tangram, Encore, Phaedra, etc. At this point, I don't like the
Private
years stuff much. I've been a fan for 5 years now. The last 2 years
have
been years of discovery for me. I discovered the Virgin years of TD,
the
soundtrack era of TD, Edgar's solo stuff, and Chris Franke's solo stuff.
It's been fantastic. I'm afraid of the day that will come when there
are
no other older TD CDs to buy. What a sad day that will be.
During my first year as a fan, I bought Phaedra and Atem by mistake.
They had late 80's dates on them, but this was a re-release date as
I found out. Boy was I disappointed when I got home and gave them a
listen.
They sat and collected dust for about 3 years - their jewel cases
providing
spare parts for other cases that broke. I thought they were nothing
but noise and sound effects. They sounded disjointed and fragmented to
me.
But I have now seen the light. Greg is right - it is as though you need
to
develop a level of appreciation and understanding for the music. Now, I
think these CDs are great, and have seen fit to replace their badly
damaged
jewel cases.
So, I've made it past Phaedra and Atem - now to push through Electronic
Meditation, Alpha Centuri, and Ziet! Let the adventure continue.
Rich Maggio
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 3:11
am
Subject: Re: About Green Drsert and Phaedra
Really-From: Rich Maggio
> Look for Phaedra, 'definitive edition' ( Vigin, SBM Editon). It sounds
> very clean (I likie it very much),and don't expect another release form
> other source because the rigths of this work belongs to Virgin.
>
Phaedra, Ricochet, and Stratosfear were recently put into 'out of print'
status by Virgin in the US. They have been re-released by a label
called
Alliance. I have seen this on the CD Now and CD Connection Web sites,
but
I have yet to see any of these in the stores.
Is Alliance affiliated with Virgin?
Speaking of TD CDs going out of print, I see that FM and Cyclone
have gone out of print as well in the US. They were both re-released in
'95
by Griffin with totally different artwork than the original Virgin
releases.
Does anyone know if Griffin is going to re-release them or if Virgin is
going to
pick the releases back up in the US? Might we see SBM's of these in the
US (that would be cool!).
Rich Maggio
From:
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 3:23
am
Subject: Re: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-04-05 07:57:08 EST, you write:
<< Don't forget this is quite old. Wasn't the original maximum CD length
72 minutes? I think the longer ones came later when people discovered
that by stretching the spec you could produce longer disks that played
on *most* players. I think some older ones have problems.
John >>
THAT' S IT. These are old CDs. That must be the answer. Can
anybody get information on the print dates on the shorter CDs to find out for
sure if they are from the late 80s or early 90s. The edited ones should be
prior to CD length extension developments.
Thanks, John
Phil Naunton
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 6:29
am
Subject: Re: d: zoning
Really-From: 'Karl W. Reinsch'
Steven Feldman wrote:
> Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> wrote:
> >[...] oops, sorry I must have 'zzzzzzzzzzoned' out; but what woke me up
> >was that last track, it sounds kinda interesting but at the same time,
> >really out of place. almost like a seattle years bonus track added on
> >to an early style of work...
>
> It's not so much out of place (like the last two tracks on the
> HEARTBREAKERS soundtrack ('Thorny Affair' and some other) but a tease
> of what could have followed, sort of like 'Silver Scale.'
Am I the only one who hears in 'Missing Link' from ZONING (the last
track), an early version of 'Towards The Evening Star' from GOBLIN'S
CLUB? (Especially the bass-line and percussion.)
-karl.
kreinsch@r...
From:
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 6:40
am
Subject: Re: About Green Drsert and Phaedra
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
I've seen Tangram reissued with the original Red cover. It is still put out
by Caroline Blue Plate label. No more purple cover.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 7:55
am
Subject: Re: another complaint
Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne
> Really-From: spride@c... (Simon Pride)
> > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
> Hijacking Lars's thread...
Which had good and valid points.
> Three:
> ...posting first as plain ASCII, which is good, and then as HTML, which
> produces huge, ugly messages full of irrelevant font and paragraph
> information.
Yes. HTML does *NOT* belong to e-mail (even if some www *browser* imagine
they are also capable of news/email). That is beside the point of my reply
though. It would seem that about half of the list members are receiving
this list in digest form (including me) and in digests overquoting and
extraneous information really does show up at its worst. So once again,
I know it has been said many times before (with varying success) but,
do edit your quotations & configure your software properly (if it's not
your fault but your admin's, complain to them, it's their job to see that
system works properly!).
Thank you for listening to my turn in bandwidth wasting. Going back to
quasi-lurk-hibernation-mode (since '91/'92 can't remember, been on and off
the list occasionally).
-jhsa
--
Stupid user error. Terminate user (Y/y) ?
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 8:37
am
Subject: Re: TD Fans: Old and New
Really-From: Greg Heil
> Really-From: Rich Maggio
>
> During my first year as a fan, I bought Phaedra and Atem by mistake.
> They had late 80's dates on them..
Same happened to me with 'Encore', my second album
> Boy was I disappointed when I got home and gave them a
> listen.
Yeah! I brought the album home, and boy did I cringe! I only listened to
it when I was trying to annoy my father.. Sadly, I sold 'Encore' back to
the place I got it about a month later and left T-Dream to collect old
Mannheim Steamroller albums... which, brings to another point.. I
purchased 'Mannheim Steamroller Christmas' and liked it so much that I
actually went to try and find where this 'different' type of music came
from... hmmm.. New Age? Okay.. well I bought all the Steamroller 'Fresh
Aire' albums and wanted to find something new and that's when I found
T-dream.. under the idea that they were 'up-beat' and 'synthesizer
based'.
>I thought they were nothing
> but noise and sound effects.
Lets face it.. we thought it was the hippies day in the park albums..
space albums for drugged peoples. I'm smarter now, and recognize the
genious in the older albums, more so than any of the newer albums.
> But I have now seen the light. Greg is right - it is as though you >need to
> develop a level of appreciation and understanding for the music.
Yes, and that is usually accomplished by being alone in a room, relaxed,
and able to concentrate deeply on the music.
> So, I've made it past Phaedra and Atem - now to push through Electronic
> Meditation, Alpha Centuri, and Ziet! Let the adventure continue.
I have made it as far as 'Tangram', and 'Force Majure' is being ordered
right now.. I have a lot to experienece in the future.. so I don't have
to worry about 'Zeit'..
just yet.... `=o)
Greg..
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 8:44
am
Subject: bye for two weeks
Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
Hi Dreamers,
I'll leave for two weeks and expect a full mailbox when I return!
I leave for the National Astronomy Meeting to Southampton first,
and then go to Germany and witness the TD concert in Bonn! (Will
they play 'Oszillator Planet' as an encore? I go crazy about this
since I got the boot two weeks ago...).
On the way back to Ireland, I'll meet Lars in London and
he will tell me about TD in Amsterdam. Isn't this great? Tangerine
Dream fans everywhere!
So I hope I've got something to tell when I'm back.
See you
Armin
Armin Theissen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
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College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen
Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928
Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174
From:
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 9:22
am
Subject: Re: Tyger
Really-From: Mark Edmonds
>In a message dated 97-04-06 21:08:58 EDT,
>CHRIS_THAM@H... writes:
>
>> For those of you interested in hearing more of William Blake's words set
>> to music, check out Tangerine Dream's 'Tyger'. It seems to be one of
>> those albums TD fans either love or hate, it's certainly quite different
>> from their normal compositions.
>>
I can`t stand Tyger althought the last instrumental track is OK. TD
should have learnt their lesson from Cyclone and not repeated messing
with vocals in this style. There are moments when they have used the
human voice effectively of course - Atem, Zeit and Exit spring to mind
where the voice doesn`t intrude and prevent enjoyment of the music.
--
Mark Edmonds
From:
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: Re: D: ()()() 'Zoning' ()()(
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>D: ()()() 'Zoning' ()()()
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 00:42:33 -0500 (EST)
>Really-From: PNaunton@a...
>
> 'Zoning'
>the $21.97 sticker on the spine. $21.97 is more than I would pay for
>it now, but it is still worth a premium price, in my opinion. I'm not
>sorry I paid this much.
Don't feel bad: I paid $28 plus tax for my German copy.
-- Steven Feldman and
From:
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 2:33
pm
Subject: Re: orb mandarin cream and other discoveries
Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> This is obviously just a commerical ploy to try and seduce TD's fans to
> buy Orb stuff.
I suspect it's more the other way around, but I doubt it's going to work
either way. What exactly did Mr. Patterson do with TtES? Is it pure
ambience? New melody?
I did cave in and buy 'Orblivion', which doesn't hold a candle to
'Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld'. Toxygene is catchy though, I confess.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't
make you depressed and cynical'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 3:41
pm
Subject: RE: R&F Productions and Compact Discs
> 'Don't let our jobs stop you from sending us whatever it is you want put on
> CD.(i.e. questionable lyrics etc.) We will put anything on CD for you.'
Really? I have some tapes of my e-music band performing live I'd like to put on CD's and have about 1000 made. And you know, we sound so much like Tangerine Dream you might as well just put 'Tangerine Dream' on the CD's. :-)
Scott
From:
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 4:06
pm
Subject: Re: TD Fans: Old and New
Really-From: Cloudless3@a...
that's interesting that many of you seem to have started with the newer
material...whereas i am a new TD fan and the first disc I acquired, purely by
chance, was Zeit and now i am just fumbling my way through, picking up
whatever i can find or what people recommend. could anyone give me a few
recommendations for what you consider to be the 'essentials' or what i should
pick up first?
peace
*abby*
From:
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 3:31
pm
Subject: Re: d:Zoning
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Rich Maggio
[re: Zoning]
> I noticed that track 12 (Eyewitness News) is featured on disk 5
> of Tangents by a different name.
Hi Rich. And what, prey tell, is the name of 'Eyewitness News' on
'Tangents' and how similar is it? I don't have 'Tangents' but would
like to add this info to the discography. Thanks -- Mark
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59
pm
Subject: Polish concert - The tickets
Really-From: Michal Balcerzak
Hi Dreamers (from Poland).
Anyone interested in getting the tickets for TD in Zabrze?
Call Dom Muzyki i Tanca
(0-32) 171 56 41
or
???? Production (I can't recall all the name)
(0-32) 51 17 80
Michal Balcerzak
From:
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 5:20
pm
Subject: RE: R&F Productions and Compact Discs
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 11:41 AM 4/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> 'Don't let our jobs stop you from sending us whatever it is you
>want put on
>> CD.(i.e. questionable lyrics etc.) We will put anything on CD for
>you.'
>
>Really? I have some tapes of my e-music band performing live I'd like to
>put on CD's and have about 1000 made. And you know, we sound so much
>like Tangerine Dream you might as well just put 'Tangerine Dream' on the
>CD's. :-)
I have not heard your music, but if you are going to be making 100 CDs or
more (obviously, you must have LOTS of money on hand!) you should get it
done at a production house of some kind. The cost should be less than $5 per
disc, but who knows...
Morgan
feldon@n...
From:
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 5:31
pm
Subject: Re: d:Zoning
Really-From: dbrewer@a...
> Qouted From: Mark Filipak
>
> Hi Rich. And what, prey tell, is the name of 'Eyewitness News' on
> 'Tangents' and how similar is it? I don't have 'Tangents' but would
> like to add this info to the discography. Thanks -- Mark
>
Actually, Rich was mistaken. Eyewitness News is identical to the next to
the last track (#15?) on disc 1 of Froese's _Beyond the Storm_ ('Descent
Like a Hawk').
Dave Brewer
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 6:23
pm
Subject: REMOVE NOW!!
Really-From: globetec@m...
Remove me from this lists tadream@c... as I did NOT request to be on it.
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 5:43
pm
Subject: Book Lists (TD)
Really-From: jeffrey@i...
From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 16:40:47
Subject: Not TD: Book list - recommendations?
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
The following is a list of books on electronic music. Can anyone
comment on any fo them as to their quality and desirability? Please.
All replies will be appreciated. Even nasty ones.
>>>>>>>>Electric Sound : The Past and Promise of Electronic Music; Joel Chadabe;
Paperback; $33.33; Descriptive information available.
>>>>>>>>>
Andrew
I loved it, couldn't put it down. I had Chadabe as a professor for two e-music
classes at University at
Albany in NY. The guy housed one of the largest moog analog sequencer ever
built at the University in the
early 70's and developed 'interactive' computer software in the 80's. The book
is broken into 8 or 9 sections
but in my opinion its really 4 broad topics:
1) Early electronic music - history, performance, difficulties, etc... (appx
50-70 pages)
2) Tape Muisc / Abstract - lots on Cage and Tudor, some of Chadabe himself,
and others - about 100-150 pages.
I find tape music more intereting to read about (i.e. splicing, use of random
methods) that to actually
listen to. Also lots of intro on electronic studios of the 60/70/80's
3) Synthesizers and Midi - Based upon the classes I attended - the guy seems
to know everyone in the industry
- great interviews with Moog, Oberhiem, Dave Smith, Appleton, etc... - really
good insided the source stories
on how things were created and there effect on the industry - by far this
section was one of the most
enjoyable reading I have had the pleasure of reading in a while. - couldn't not
put it down (about 80 pages)
4) alternate techniques, where is the industry going, multimedia (about
100-120 pages) - While I don't know
Joel's opinion on TD he would probably find them blah - to structured, to much
use of common music
methodologies. He discusses alternate ways of composing (i.e. computerized,
automated, random), different
ways of performace (i.e. Matthews - talking drum wand, Buchula's thunder, etc).
The coming to gether of art,
visual, and sound in the performance, and where the industry in heading.
Chadabe wrote the program 'M' for
the Macintosh in the late 80's. It is an interactive program where you assign
certain variables but the
computer does the composing and you can adjust the variables in real time as
the computer composes. He was
very into this type of music when I was talking my first class in 89.
The best thing about the book is while it may not be everything you looking
for, Joel really opens your ideas
to whats out there. Really stretches the immagination. I remeber in class we
would talk about guys like
Emerson and Banks and while he would concede that they had good skills and were
enjoyable to listen (for a
while) but he would keep coming back to the fact that they really hadn't pushed
the envelope that far in
making music - just following the path. In a way he was right.
He also is a great story teller which makes him really interesting to listen to
and read, and alot of the book
comes from interviews with people from the industry.
Definitely Recommend!!!!
Anyone else read any of the others. I have an extra copy of ES that I would be
willing to trade for one of
the others - if someone had trouble finding it, but it should be relatively
easy since its published by
Prentice Hall
>So, if YOU get thrown off the list, Lars :-), I am gone too, because 'Goblins'
>Club' doesn't do a thing for me, while Jeff Bergman's 'Manhattan' does.
>So there.
P.s. Thanks for the PLUG!
Jeff
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 6:29
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Subject: RE: R&F Productions and Compact Discs
Really-From: globetec@m...
Remove from your lists sales@g... Your message
headers have this address in them and I get copies of every mail.
Secondly, I did NOT request to be on ANY mailing list... EVER..
Fraud is a crime and if someone has fraudulently used my name.. I
will seek legal advise.. Could this not also be classed as
Unsollicited Email..I certainly didn't request it..
Take me off NOW!!
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 6:46
pm
Subject: Mojo
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi all,
Picked up a copy of the magazine 'Mojo' which I'd seen mentioned on the
digest a few weeks back. The TD article is really good and has some great
quote from Edgar and the boys particularly the 'marmalade' anecdote. The
Kraftwerk bit I found _bloody_ irritating : 'We play the machines and they
play us' to paraphrase either Ralf or Florian (can't be bothered to go and
look it up!) because it's such a loadof horse-hockey anyway. The bits about
Can, Neu and Crimson filled in a lot of gaps in my knowledge of the scene.
Recommended.
Cheers
David
P.S. The deadline for the T-Bass caption comptition has been extended to
15th April 1997. Don't miss this one. It might be out last!
T-Bass : Electronic Music
email : dhughes@g...
web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html
From:
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 7:03
pm
Subject: RE: R&F Productions and Compact Discs
>> 'Don't let our jobs stop you from sending us whatever it is you
>want put on
>> CD.(i.e. questionable lyrics etc.) We will put anything on CD for
>you.'
>
>Really? I have some tapes of my e-music band performing live I'd like to
>put on CD's and have about 1000 made. And you know, we sound so much
>like Tangerine Dream you might as well just put 'Tangerine Dream' on the
>CD's. :-)
>I have not heard your music, but if you are going to be making 100 CDs or
>more (obviously, you must have LOTS of money on hand!) you should get it
>done at a production house of some kind. The cost should be less than $5 per
>disc, but who knows...
I was joking. It was supposed to sound like I wanted to press b**tlegs.
Scott
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 6:08
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Subject: remove
Really-From: globetec@m...
Please Remove From Mailing List
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 7:12
pm
Subject: RE: R&F Productions and Compact Discs
>Secondly, I did NOT request to be on ANY mailing list... EVER..
>Fraud is a crime and if someone has fraudulently used my name.. I
>will seek legal advise.. Could this not also be classed as
>Unsollicited Email..I certainly didn't request it..
>Order Line : http://www.globetech.co.uk/order.htm
>Catalogue: http://www.globetech.co.uk/transmitters.htm
Actually, this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ appears to be an unsolicited advert, for which we most certainly did ask. I think _we_ should be upset with _you_ for advertising your products. I think we'll be speaking to our lawyers, all ~410 of us.
Scott
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 7:22
pm
Subject: Ralf Wadephal
Does Ralf perfom on the Near Dark ST?
Scott
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 7:42
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Subject: Re: Ralf Wadephal
Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> Does Ralf perfom on the Near Dark ST?
No, Ralf came in after Chris Franke left, and Chris was definitely
on-board for Near Dark. Heck, he still uses some of the same sounds in
his current work! Ralf's only composing credit on a TD record is 'Sun
Gate' on Optical Race.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't
make you depressed and cynical'
From:
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 1:19
pm
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #882
Really-From: 'Obispo'
Really-From: Rich Maggio
> Does anyone know if Griffin is going to re-release them or if Virgin is
> going to pick the releases back up in the US? Might we see SBM's of these
> in the US (that would be cool!).
I heard that Griffin is no longer in business.... :(
Steve
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 8:22
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Subject: Re: orb mandarin cream and other discoveries
Really-From: Vic Rek
At 04:16 AM 4/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>Through music we come to realize we are not
>alone in our existence. But here I am waxing philosophical again so I
>better go before you hit the delete key.
>
>So, I suppose you're going to toss me off this list now?
>
>lars
>(blame it on London!)
Ya, I guess we'll just have to toss you Lars. I can't stand it when I read
an e-mail and I really enjoy it. I guess we'll have to bill London for the
return ticket, but what about our US-UK TD connection?
I hope you have another day like the 5th (lucky it wasn't April 1st) and let
us know about it!!!
Vic
From:
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 9:04
pm
Subject: Griffin
Really-From: Ken Alexander
> I heard that Griffin is no longer in business.... :(
It's true, Griffin went bankrupt. Several things went wrong at once,
and they were unable to survive. Last I heard, they were hoping to
find someone willing to take over their catalog.
So, if you want any of the Griffin TD releases (or any other Griffin stuff,
such as their excellent Hawkwind releases), you better grab it immediately.
All Griffin stuff has already vanished from the shelves around here.
-Ken
CDs for sale - http://polyphemus.engin.umich.edu/kalex/forsale.html
From:
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: Wadephul Input on 'Sun Gate'
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: Re: Ralf Wadephal
>Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:42:18 -0400 (EDT)
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
>[...] Ralf's only composing credit on a TD record is 'Sun
>Gate' on Optical Race.
This forces me to ask, what exactly is Wadephul responsible on
this track--considering that it is mostly the guitar solo that defines
it--? Is the guitar all Edgar's doing, or Ralf's? I ask this because
Zlatko Perica's guitar work on ROCKOON and 220 VOLT LIVE sounds like
it is in service of the songs' demands, but his work on TURN OF THE
TIDES sounds like the product of input in the songwriting. In the
liner notes to TURN OF THE TIDES, Zlatko is credited with coming up
with the guitar sections or somesuch, and I'm wondering if, in fact,
that's what Ralf did with 'Sun Gate.' I don't recall hearing what
Ralf's actual contributions to the band were, instrument-wise.
-- Steven Feldman and
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 9:38
pm
Subject: Re: Wadephul Input on 'Sun Gate'
Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> This forces me to ask, what exactly is Wadephul responsible on
> this track--considering that it is mostly the guitar solo that defines
> it--?
My understanding was that Ralf composed it - before joining the band - and
that Edgar just added the solo. If I remember correctly, Ralf's original
version had vocals!
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'I put the FUN in dysfunctional'
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 9:58
pm
Subject: Salt tank
Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
HI All,
a few weeks ago I read an article in the german audio magazine about an uk
band called salt tank. They were described as the TDreamers of the 90th.
By fortune my local record store offers a copy of:
Salt tank
science & nature
1996 internal records
uk trucd11 int 828745.2.
It´s great! They sound like the TD-Schmoelling lineup (circa Exit/Thief)
with modern instruments (mostly more aggressiv and more bpm´s than TD).
My fav track is the 3rd, eugina (10:20), a brilliant slow piece of music
that could be found an white eagle.
Anybody out there knowing them ? Any comments ?
cu jp
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 10:41
pm
Subject: Legend
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Hi Dreamers. If you need 'Legend' soundtrack CD, I've located a copy.
Contact me off-list ASAP. -- Mark
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 10:42
pm
Subject: Heartbreakers
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Hi Dreamers. If you need 'Heartbreakers' soundtrack CD, I've located a
copy. Contact me off-list ASAP. -- Mark
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From:
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 10:45
pm
Subject: Poland 2CD, Relativity 88561-8045-2
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Hi Gang. Anybody looking for 'Poland' 2CD, Relativity 88561-8045-2 that
has the complete show, I now have an extra (brown printing version).
Contact me off-list. -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 10:52
pm
Subject: Agitation Free
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Hi Gang. I have the opportunity to buy these Agitation Free albums, but
I can only afford one right now. So which one should I buy first?
Agitation Free - '2nd' - with M.Hoenig & C.Franke
Agitation Free - 'Last'
Agitation Free - 'Fragments' - with M.Hoenig
Also, can anyone comment on Annexus Quam 'Osmose'?
Thanks -- Mark
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 10:29
pm
Subject: Re: TD Article
Really-From: 'K.E'
Hi Glynn!
Thank you very much for the articles wich I just recived.
I am sending you something wich I hope will reach you in
a few days...
I hope you like it!
Kindly, Kent
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From:
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 11:05
pm
Subject: Re: Salt tank
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
> HI All,
>
> a few weeks ago I read an article in the german audio magazine about
> an uk band called salt tank. They were described as the TDreamers of
> the 90th. By fortune my local record store offers a copy of:
> Salt tank
> science & nature
> 1996 internal records
> uk trucd11 int 828745.2.
>
> It´s great! They sound like the TD-Schmoelling lineup (circa Exit /
> Thief) with modern instruments (mostly more aggressiv and more bpm´s
> than TD).
>
> My fav track is the 3rd, eugina (10:20), a brilliant slow piece of
> music that could be found an white eagle.
>
> Anybody out there knowing them ? Any comments ?
A number of people on the Ambient list have mentioned that an EP named
'Sargasso Sea' is brilliant, but I've not been able to find it. They
said the rest of Salt Tank is so-so. -- Mark (for what it's worth --
probably nothing.)
From:
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Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 11:24
pm
Subject: Ax Genrich
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Hi. I have a CD of Ax Genrich (Guru Guru) 'Psycheldlic Guitar' (1994,
Germany) on ATM label (cat# ATM 3809 - AH) for trade/sale. Contact me
off list. -- Mark
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From:
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 12:30
am
Subject: Re: d:Zoning
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: dbrewer@a...
>
> Actually, Rich was mistaken. Eyewitness News [from Zoning] is
> identical to the next to the last track (#15?) [actually track 13]
> on disc 1 of Froese's _Beyond the Storm_ ('Descent Like a Hawk').
Yup, they are the same song. And 'Descent Like a Hawk' is marked a
previously unreleased. -- Mark (cheated out of one song)
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal?
Really-From: Steven Feldman
Hi, Gang,
I just noticed that Mark Filpak posted about getting ahold of
copies of the LEGEND and HEARTBREAKERS CDs. What I want to know is,
what's the big deal? Is LEGEND out-of-print already or something? And
as for HEARTBREAKERS, if it's a copy on the Silva America label, what's
the big deal *there*? (I'm assuming that it's not a German Virgin copy
because if it *was*, Mark would keep it because I can't imagine that he
already has one and is selling a duplicate copy.)
-- Steven Feldman and
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From:
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 12:31
am
Subject: Re: PUMA X
Really-From: Benjamin J Dunkle
my adress:dunkle@a...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 12:30
am
Subject: Re: PUMA X
Really-From: Benjamin J Dunkle
puma x is a band i heard when i was in germany, and im very interested in
a recording called 'artificial paradise'. if anyone knows anything about
it, could they e-mail me?
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 1:05
am
Subject: Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal?
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> Hi, Gang,
> I just noticed that Mark Filpak posted about getting ahold of
> copies of the LEGEND and HEARTBREAKERS CDs. What I want to know is,
> what's the big deal? Is LEGEND out-of-print already or something? And
> as for HEARTBREAKERS, if it's a copy on the Silva America label, what's
> the big deal *there*? (I'm assuming that it's not a German Virgin copy
> because if it *was*, Mark would keep it because I can't imagine that he
> already has one and is selling a duplicate copy.)
It's just another evil conspiracy on my part to try to get people the
music they want and might not be able to find and to send it to them at
my cost. I'm ashamed of myself -- Mark
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 1:18
am
Subject: Re: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: PNaunton@a...
>
> In a message dated 97-04-05 07:57:08 EST, you write:
>
> << Don't forget this is quite old. Wasn't the original maximum CD
> length 72 minutes? I think the longer ones came later when people
> discovered that by stretching the spec you could produce longer disks
> that played on *most* players. I think some older ones have problems.
>
> THAT'S IT. These are old CDs. That must be the answer.
Yes that explains why C TANG 3 (circa 1984) is three minutes short, but
it doesn't explain why the new Castle releases still trim 'Zeit' (the
track) by one minute as 75 minutes (the full length of the LP) is well
within current CD technology. -- Mark
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 1:38
am
Subject: Re: d:Zoning
Really-From: Rich Maggio
Sorry, I was confused. 'Eyewitness News' is identical to a track
on EF's Beyond the Storm. It is track 13 on disk 1 and is
titled 'Descent Like a Hawk'. As far as I can tell, they are
virtually identical except for the fact that the BtS version
has some heavier bass. It sounds like it was re-equalized.
The listed running time on BtS is 5:14 and on Zoning it is
5:11.
So, here is an interesting point. This track is listed on
BtS as previously unreleased. Oops! Zoning came out in '94
originally (as far as I can tell from the liner notes) and
BtS came out in '95. I realize that the date on the back
of the Zoning CD says '96, but the liner notes say that it
was recorded and mixed in '94. I'm assuming that the '96
date is a re-release date. Am I correct or am I just
spouting b.s. Does anyone out there know if this CD was
available before '96? On another label perhaps?
Sorry for the misinformation.
Rich Maggio
>
> [re: Zoning]
>
> > I noticed that track 12 (Eyewitness News) is featured on disk 5
> > of Tangents by a different name.
>
> Hi Rich. And what, prey tell, is the name of 'Eyewitness News' on
> 'Tangents' and how similar is it? I don't have 'Tangents' but would
> like to add this info to the discography. Thanks -- Mark
From:
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 2:15
am
Subject: Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal?
Really-From: dbrewer@a...
> Quoted From: Mark Filipak
>
> It's just another evil conspiracy on my part to try to get people the
> music they want and might not be able to find and to send it to them at
> my cost. I'm ashamed of myself -- Mark
>
That is a mightily dastardly deed you do, Mark! :-) Really, I guess we
take things for granted when an album is readily available in our area.
It's hard to realize that maybe there's someplace in the world where the
most perfect record company's (smell that sarcasm; or is that my feet??)
distribution doesn't reach... (especially with some of TD's stuff)
Dave Brewer
From:
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 2:44
am
Subject: Klaus Schulze on MTV?
Really-From: Boneheads1@a...
Hi all,
I happened to be flipping through the TV at about 1:30 AM Sunday PST and
noticed that MTV was doing some interesting electronic music videos. All of
a sudden they displayed a credit and it was Klaus Schulze! I think the song
title had something to do with moods for vocoders or something like that, and
what I remember of the video kept featuring a close-up of a Mini-Moog. There
were many other artists also. At 2:00 the show ended and went back to the
usual fare.
Anyway, maybe Dream Mixes will be on next weekend.
Tim
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 2:52
am
Subject: Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal?
Really-From: Rich Maggio
> >
> That is a mightily dastardly deed you do, Mark! :-) Really, I guess we
> take things for granted when an album is readily available in our area.
> It's hard to realize that maybe there's someplace in the world where the
> most perfect record company's (smell that sarcasm; or is that my feet??)
> distribution doesn't reach... (especially with some of TD's stuff)
>
> Dave Brewer
Yes, a dastardly deed indeed! :-) Dave, you make a good point. I live
in NJ here in the US and I often have trouble getting my hands on
some TD CDs. It's not like I live at the end of the earth somewhere.
The only ones I find in abundance here are the
Miramar, Private, and Virgin releases. The Relativity releases were
pretty common, but are hard to find around here now that these have
been taken over by Castle. For this reason, I have found CD
web sites like CD Connection to be very useful. Special ordering
through a CD shop works sometimes as well, but not always. Searching
for TD CDs can be a test of how resourceful you are. Put differently,
locating some TD CDs can be damn frustrating at times! What we go
through to satisfy out TD habit.
Rich Maggio
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 9:21
pm
Subject: Re: Book Lists (TD)
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 01:43 PM 4/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: jeffrey@i...
>
>
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 16:40:47
>Subject: Not TD: Book list - recommendations?
>
>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
>
>The following is a list of books on electronic music. Can anyone
>comment on any fo them as to their quality and desirability? Please.
>>>>>>>>>Electric Sound : The Past and Promise of Electronic Music; Joel
Chadabe;
>Paperback; $33.33; Descriptive information available.
>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>Andrew
>
>I loved it, couldn't put it down. I had Chadabe as a professor for two
e-music classes at University at
>Albany in NY. The guy housed one of the largest moog analog sequencer
ever built at the University in
>the early 70's and developed 'interactive' computer software in the 80's.
The book is broken into 8 or 9
>sections but in my opinion its really 4 broad topics:
[......snip.....]
Now that's what I like: a definite, personal, opinionated reply. Jeff to
the rescue. As usually.
Thanks. Amazon Books, here I come.
>P.s. Thanks for the PLUG!
>
'Just the facts, ma'm' (Sergeant Friday).
Andrew
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59
pm
Subject: ticket lottery for Amsterdam !
Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner)
The Amsterdam venue, 'Melkweg' holds a lottery for free tickets for
the TD concert. Check out their homepage, www.melkweg.nl
Small drawback : their english homepage was not yet up as of today,
so, dust off your Dutch....
-klaus-
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From:
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 3:29
am
Subject: Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal?
Really-From: 'Regis C. Pei'
unsubscribe pei@e...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 3:42
am
Subject: Re: ticket lottery for Amsterdam !
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner)
>
> The Amsterdam venue, 'Melkweg' holds a lottery for free tickets for
> the TD concert. Check out their homepage, www.melkweg.nl
>
> Small drawback : their english homepage was not yet up as of today,
> so, dust off your Dutch....
Wow! You guys get a TD tour and now some will get in free? Life's not
fair. BTW, I find I can read Dutch. If I don't think about the
seemingly screwy spellings and just read it aloud, I can actually
understand it! -- Mark (signing off for the day -- whew!)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 3:37
am
Subject: Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal?
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Rich Maggio
>
>
> >
> > That is a mightily dastardly deed you do, Mark! :-)
> >
> > Dave Brewer
>
>
> Yes, a dastardly deed indeed! :-)
>
> Rich Maggio
Well, not to be an ass (which I can be) and to bring this full circle
with something I wrote a few days ago, I've been amazed by the number of
times I've emailed privately with otherwise very nice and sensible folks
on this list -- names withheld to protect my innocence-- only to
discover they've passed up a semi-rarity because they 'already have
it'. Grrrr..... -- Mark (an ass by any other name is just a donkey)
PS: Doesn't anybody want the Relativity 2CD of 'Poland'? Oh well, it
goes in my trade/sell list. -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 8:12
pm
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #882
Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy'
Could anyone make me a copy of the recent topic of discussion, 'Paris
Palais du Sport 11/22/76 show. I would love to have it and would pay
$$ for a dub...
Dreamin',
Maxwell
From:
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 7:31
am
Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze on MTV?
Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne
> Really-From: Boneheads1@a...
[MTV playing cool stuff]
> I think the song title had something to do with moods for vocoders or
> something like that...
Must've been 'Vocoders in the dark'. I've seen that on MTV-Europe's
Chill Out Zone once. If you are in europe check out Chill Out Zone.
Mostly very good stuff (it's on 04:00 - 06:00 Sunday morning CET), last
Friday on Party Zone they had Jarre co-hosting and they showed most
of his old videos. Cool. :)
-jhsa
--
Stupid user error. Terminate user (Y/n) ?
From:
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 4:25
pm
Subject: Re: BECOME THE OTHER (no Direct TD)
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> By the way, the only Ozrics CD I don't have is the most recent
> one, BECOME THE OTHER. How is it? Unlike STRANGEITUDE, [can't
> recall the title], and ARBORESCENCE, BECOME THE OTHER didn't get
> released in the US of A.
I have Become the Other and Jurrasic Shift. Of the two, I
prefer BtO, which I believe was produced after a split in
the band? I think it has a synthier feel, with less guitar
(although I haven't listened to this for some time, so
might be wrong with that).
I have seen a number of TD fans refer to this music, but
can't really see the connection. Admittedly the Oz's use
synths and guitars, but they have a far rockier sound, IMO.
BTW, you mentioned Hawkwind. As a Hawkwind novise, who
loves the instrumental tracks on Electric Tepee, which
would you suggest as a next step?
Thanks,
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
---------------------------------------------
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From:
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 9:10
am
Subject: D:Addendum, week of April 7
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Dreamers
Having finally concluded the first segment of the D:List, we start this
week with the D:List, Addendum. A GIANT round of applause to Scott Plumer
for managing the first segment!!! Yeah Scott! I guess I'll be your
'D'-jay (or is it 'E-jay'??) until Vic Rek takes over with the D:List,
Solo Works in mid-June. The Solo segment will carry us through into 1998.
The Addendum schedule was posted about a month ago but if anyone still
needs it, please contact me either directly or on the list.
For you newcomers to Tadream, the D:List (at least as I understand it!) is
an opportunity for everyone interested to concentrate our discissions on
one Tangerine Dream album/CD each week. Input at ALL levels is appreciated
and there is no set format: say whatever you'd like. It doesn't matter
whether it's your first impression of your very first TD CD or if you are
dropping in from the 'heavens' to grace us mere mortals your expertise on
synthesizers, SBMs, music theory, the band's influences, or the concert
dates and tapes from that year--anything and everything goes and it's all
appreciated. Don't hesitate, participate!
D:List, Addendum; Week of April 7
70-80 box set
Enjoy!
PS: will someone this week please talk about the three 'tangentized' things
from Encore that are on this set? Thanks I'm dying to know!
Hermes--all this Encore stuff/singles/etc woud make a great FAQ topic (hint
hint)
lars
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 9:10
am
Subject: jerome bashing
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>Subject: d:Zoning
>Really-From: Rich Maggio
[...]
>1 and track 13 (first and last) the best. With all of the Jerome
>bashing that goes on here, I think it is ironic that these two tracks
>are the only one that Jerome helped write - and you can here it in the
>music.
yes but not all of the most zealous Jerome-bashers have [bothered to]
reviewed zoning; even though I've probably bashed him myself on 'rare'
occasions (*even my wife* thought he needed a haircut when she saw him at
the Bush and she has no idea of what we talk about on this list!!!!!) not
everyone who bashes Jerome hates his music nor are all of us on tadream
Jerome bashers... stereotypes stereotypes ... tsk tsk tsk :-) (BTW this is
not an attack on you Rich!)
If this is what a list member thinks, what do the Family Froese think? (may
the gods protect their holy name; genuflection, genuflection -- in the
direction of Berllin of course!) I guess we'll really have to clean up our
act! You know what they say, if you can't censor yourself ....... :-)
hmmmm 'Bush' ... Jerome's hair ... hmmmm ..... Jerome's hair ..... 'Bush'
[...]
> (See Lars, I'm being a good net citizen :-)
yo, Rich, snip on this... :-)
>I agree completely with Greg - I went through the same process. [...]
>I've been a fan for 5 years now. The last 2 years have
>been years of discovery for me. I discovered the Virgin years of TD,
>the soundtrack era of TD, Edgar's solo stuff, and Chris Franke's solo
stuff.
>It's been fantastic. I'm afraid of the day that will come when there
>are no other older TD CDs to buy. What a sad day that will be.
Yes, but then you discover vinyl (and all that stuff not on CD) and b**ts
and fan tapes and memorabilia and soon you will be selling your grandma
into slavery to finance your next fi, fi, fis, fix ...
look man, I gotta go, I'm startin' to git the shakes... I gotta git down to
the record store and git me someting new....
lars
(who did appreciate hearing both your story and Greg's too!)
PS: now forming, the Jerome fan-club
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 9:11
am
Subject: missing link
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Karl
an astute t-dreamer you are indeed! methinks you are quite correct!
lars
>Am I the only one who hears in 'Missing Link' from ZONING (the last
>track), an early version of 'Towards The Evening Star' from GOBLIN'S
>CLUB? (Especially the bass-line and percussion.)
>- -karl.
>kreinsch@r...
----------------------------------------
PS it is too bad that so many of the TD SBMs are unavailable/out of print
in the US... The Virgin megastore here in London is packed to the gills
with them, then there are those in the HMVs and Tower and all the local
shops too....
np: Ricochet 'the definitive edition'
lars
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 9:11
am
Subject: action request
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
dreamers
since I don't have web access at the moment would someone mind please
e-mailing me directly the e-mail address for the TD office / that is, the
one you can use for questions ... thanks
(please don't assume someone else will do it--better that I get 25 e-mails
than none! thanks much!!!!!)
lars
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 9:10
am
Subject: edgar and money
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Dreamers
Armin wrote:
>where else can you hear them talking to the audience, and what
>do they have to say? In Aachen, Germany, Jan. 21st 1981, Edgar
>grapped a microphone after the first set just to remind us that
>we could buy T shirts outside (as documented on the fantape, beside
>my and my cousin's chat). Were they running out of money?
Thanks Armin for this great aside-- I'd love to hear this tape and
especially to hear Edgar saying this!!!!!-- I read this and laughed so hard
I almost fell out of my chair!!!!!
hahahahahahhhahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahhah!!!!!!!!
So much for the discussion of Edgar never caring about $$$$/DMDMDMDM!
this week's score: fans 0 , edgar 1
Lars
----------------------------------------------------------------------
PS:
No thanks to TD's homepage... My wife (thank her) was able to get the
number for the Amsterdam theatre
Melkweg Max +31 20 624 1777; there are still tickets available.
I don't believe the theatre will sell tickets by phone/charge. They will
refer you to the number +31 06-300-125 but I don't know if this works
outside of the Netherlands.
I spoke to Moderne Welt last week and definitely got the impression that TD
tickets were NOT 'selling like hotcakes' in the Vaterland... so maybe
Edgar will be pimping cds & t-shirts on stage during this tour too!!! We
can trust Armin to let us know!
I am eagerly awaiting reviews since the first concert will be tomorrow
(today-wednesday in digest land)!!!
For those of you going to the Austrian/German/Brussels concerts over the
next two weeks, please post anything you find out!!! especially what
merchandise is actually available, what the prices for merchandise are,
what the music is, your reviews, personnel, opinions, comments/complaints
about Jerome's hair, etc. etc. (roughly in that order :-)
lars
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tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 9:55
am
Subject:
Really-From: 'Martynas Storasta'
unsubscribe
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 12:59
pm
Subject: D:List and guidelines
Really-From: Vic Rek
Lars stated:
>
>Dreamers
>Having finally concluded the first segment of the D:List, we start this
>week with the D:List, Addendum. A GIANT round of applause to Scott Plumer
>for managing the first segment!!! Yeah Scott! I guess I'll be your
>'D'-jay (or is it 'E-jay'??) until Vic Rek takes over with the D:List,
>Solo Works in mid-June. The Solo segment will carry us through into 1998.
Scott -
If you still have the energy for this, could you post the statistics for the
D:List, that is, the number of e-mails posted for each album discussed?
Again, thanks for your efforts!
>For you newcomers to Tadream, the D:List (at least as I understand it!) is
>an opportunity for everyone interested to concentrate our discissions on
>one Tangerine Dream album/CD each week.
Some guidelines that need to be mentioned from time to time...
When discussing the topic of the week, please reply by stating in the
subject header D:topic, so we can keep track of the discussion. So, this
week's will be D:70-80. Also, try not to include other topics (unless
relevant to the topic), a separate posting would be better.
Thanks,
Vic
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: THE KEEP, by F. Paul Wilson
Really-From: Steven Feldman
Just thought I'd mention that I'm halfway through the novel the
Michael Mann movie, THE KEEP, came from. So far, it's a real page-
turner but has little that the movie did that makes any significant
difference except for the fact that this Molasar guy turns out (so far,
at least) to be the root of the vampire legend, having been a Romanian
boyar from the 1400's who was under the rule of Vlad (Tepes) the Impaler.
In this regard, my reaction is whoop-dee-doo and thank God Michael Mann
changed this so that Molasar, instead, was a neato effects creation--in
effect, a metaphorical science fictiony vampire instead of a regular one.
(I am no fan of the vampire genre, NEAR DARK notwithstanding.)
So far, 'Glaeken' has only been referred to as 'Glenn' (and the
the name of the actor in the movie was Scott Glenn!). He has red hair
instead of dark brown hair.
The only thing in the book that is much better than the movie is the
relationship between the two German officers, which is shown to be an
ongoing power struggle with a back-story and everything.
-- Steven Feldman and
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 1:41
pm
Subject: Near Dark and Franke
Really-From: PERREAULT JOCELYN
Chris Franke is the major influence in this album and you can defenitely
hear it ! Songs #9 and 10 are his trademark. The major part is this album
is excellent.
But i don't know if it's TD who mixed the CD or Varese Sarabande because
ALL of the songs you hear are NOT the original songs. Just put good
headphones and play it loudly and you will hear the REAL beat of the song.
Songs who are not modified: #5-#8-#9-#10
Songs who are mofied (or they fade out de beat) : all the rest.
In song #7, it's more tuff to hear it but in the beginning, there's a
melody who was fade out.
Song #6, it's the beat who are fade out.......
I don't understand why the fade out was mediocre like that. And that's
why i think thoses things was not done by TD. If it's Varese, they do a
good job to modify the song to give a more dark, unbeat effect.
jo
fd591858@e...
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: Forget Jerome, Here's Some ROCKOON Bashing
Really-From: Steven Feldman
I played side two of ROCKOON (well, the second half as it fits on
a tape, since my CD player is kaput) last night for the first time in
a couple of weeks and noticed that it's even worse than I remembered it.
Is it me or is 'Spanish Moss,' 'Lifted Veil,' 'Body Corporate,' and
'Penguin Reference' truly as bad as most of side two of OPTICAL RACE
(the only exception being 'Sun Gate,' of course)?
-- Steven Feldman and
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 1:29
pm
Subject: Ultima Thule
Really-From: Mark Edmonds
Anyone actually got this 45 and can tell us about it please?
Thanks,
Mark Edmonds
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 1:57
pm
Subject: Original Heartbearkers
Really-From: Michael A Jean
Its nice to see people making an effort to find stuff for others...
I know there not readily available, but what's the big deal about the
original Virgin versions...I have both the Virgin LP and CD and they sound
the same as the reissue...
Mike J
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 1:28
pm
Subject: Re: D:Addendum, week of April 7
Really-From: Mark Edmonds
In article <199704080911.EAA20216@c...>, tadream mailing list
writes
>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>D:List, Addendum; Week of April 7
>
>70-80 box set
>
>Enjoy!
>
>PS: will someone this week please talk about the three 'tangentized' things
>from Encore that are on this set? Thanks I'm dying to know!
Hmmm, terrible box design, excellent booklet, reasonable compilation
from what I remember but I don`t think it has any Electronic Meditation
in it. If memory serves correctly, at that time Virgin didn`t have the
rights and you could only get EM on expensive imports - maybe on the
Brain label from Germany?
I don`t know what you mean about the 'tangentized' things because I
haven`t got Tangents - its just too damn expensive - 60?! Are they
kidding? But you could be refering to the three unreleased tracks which
I think are on record C of 70-80. I haven`t listened to them for a while
now and don`t have the records in front of me so this is from memory:
The first track is by Froese - maybe called 'Barrelhouse Walk' - someone
correct me on that one. It is guitar based, a slow clean sound picked
riff with synth layers on top which I think date the track to
Stratosphere. It's a pretty decent track.
Second track is by Franke and is great! Chimes and Chains is a driving
synth rocker in the Force Majeur sound (I think C & C also dates from
1979) and demands to be played very loud!
Third track by Baumann: I really can`t remember the name of it but it
could be 'Haunted House' because that's what it makes me think of. Its a
spooky little number and again is quite good. It follows Chimes and
Chains quite well in the record sequence which gives this particular
side of 70-80 a real nice feel.
Someone please correct of confirm the song titles and other things I
wasn`t sure on.
Mark Edmonds
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 1:35
pm
Subject: Re: 70/80 Das MADCHEN
Really-From: Mark Edmonds
>Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
>I don't who who these people are but they reportedly have the 70/80 Box,
>and the Das Madchen 12', 7' and DAYDREAM 7' for sale...
Err, that reminds me of an age old question someone might be able to
answer. My Das Madchen 12' (German Virgin label) states quite clearly on
the label that it should be played at 33.3rpm but this is a little odd
given its a 12 incher. Having played it at both 45 and 33.3 rpm, I
cannot work out which is the correct speed! Can any tell me please?
Thanks,
Mark Edmonds
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 2:02
pm
Subject: Re: Forget Jerome, Here's Some ROCKOON Bashing
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
Rockoon bashing? Where do I sign up?
>Is it me or is 'Spanish Moss,' 'Lifted Veil,' 'Body Corporate,' and
>'Penguin Reference' truly as bad as most of side two of OPTICAL RACE
>(the only exception being 'Sun Gate,' of course)?
Nope, Rockoon is worse. I was writing a review of Goblin's Club for the latest
issue of Beyond the Horizon (I thought the one in the last iss was a tad too
brief on the subject), and I put on Rockoon for some historical perspective.
I tried, everyone, really I did. But after 'Red Roadster,' things went downhill
rapidly. Real rapidly, in fact. The disc got pulled before I got close to
where side 2 would have been.
I'll give it a try in another five years or so.
-B. Kirby
PS - I love OR, btw.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 2:29
pm
Subject: Re[2]: D:Addendum, week of April 7
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>Really-From: Mark Edmonds
>The first track is by Froese - maybe called 'Barrelhouse Walk' - someone
>correct me on that one.
It's actually 'Baryll Blue'.
-B. Kirby
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 2:50
pm
Subject: PLEASE stop the HTML
Really-From: 'Dave Lane'
'Plumer, Scott' wrote:
[several articles, each containing dozens of lines of HTML code]
Scott,
You probably don't realize it, but your articles are
pretty annoying to read for anyone without your mailer.
If you can turn off the HTML generation it will be a
big improvement. Thanks.
--Dave
NP: Zappa, Shut Up N Play Yer Guitar
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 2:51
pm
Subject: Re: D:Addendum, week of April 7
Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
On Apr 8, 2:28pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Re: D:Addendum, week of April 7
> Really-From: Mark Edmonds
>
(...)
>
> The first track is by Froese - maybe called 'Barrelhouse Walk' - someone
> correct me on that one. It is guitar based, a slow clean sound picked
Barryl Blue.
> riff with synth layers on top which I think date the track to
> Stratosphere. It's a pretty decent track.
>
> Second track is by Franke and is great! Chimes and Chains is a driving
> synth rocker in the Force Majeur sound (I think C & C also dates from
> 1979) and demands to be played very loud!
>
> Third track by Baumann: I really can`t remember the name of it but it
> could be 'Haunted House' because that's what it makes me think of. Its a
Haunted Height.
> spooky little number and again is quite good. It follows Chimes and
> Chains quite well in the record sequence which gives this particular
> side of 70-80 a real nice feel.
>
> Someone please correct of confirm the song titles and other things I
> wasn`t sure on.
>
> Mark Edmonds
Done.
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 2:43
pm
Subject: What's Goblin Club like?
Really-From: Mark Edmonds
I don`t know if I am alone in this but I have felt a distinct decline in
quality of TD's music over the last few years. Sure, there have been
moments in the recent albums but nothing which has made them really
stand out in my view. I place the start of the decline to when the line
up became the two Froeses together with that guitarist and sax player. I
don`t want to start a potential flame war here but I find that guitarist
tedious in the extreme and the sax player too middle of the road. Put
some cayenne pepper in there please!!
However and back to the point, I normally buy any TD album as soon as it
comes out but have broken the mould with Goblin's Club so would
appreciate any views on it.
Is it a ground breaker in the way for example Optical Race was after the
Jive-electro period or does it follow on in the style of Tyranny of
Beauty?
My hopes are that TD are in a lame patch before hitting stride again as
happened after they broke with Virgin (great era), signed with Jive-
electro (mediocre) and then came back with a bang with Optical Race.
Mark Edmonds
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 3:38
pm
Subject: Re: 70/80 Das MADCHEN
Really-From: Vic Rek
At 02:35 PM 4/8/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: Mark Edmonds
>
Having played it at both 45 and 33.3 rpm, I
>cannot work out which is the correct speed! Can any tell me please?
The correct speed is 45 rpm, even though you can listen to it at 33.3 rpm also.
Vic
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 3:55
pm
Subject: Quality VS mass appeal
Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
I've been wondering about something lately: anyone has the sales figures
of the various TD albums? I would be interested to see those numbers
and compare them with *our* perception of the quality, i.e. if 'Tangram'
is almost universally liked, did that show in the sales level or are we
(I mean us TaDramers) having a perception of what we like unlike that of
the general population? (Which of course, includes some Yanny -- yecch! --
lovers, I assume...)
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 3:47
pm
Subject: RE: edgar and money
>Armin wrote:
>where else can you hear them talking to the audience, and what
>do they have to say? In Aachen, Germany, Jan. 21st 1981, Edgar
>grapped a microphone after the first set just to remind us that
>we could buy T shirts outside (as documented on the fantape, beside
>my and my cousin's chat). Were they running out of money?
This is the same show at which they wore gorilla costumes, correct? Were they drunk? :-)
Scott
From:
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 4:01
pm
Subject: Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal?
Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> locating some TD CDs can be damn frustrating at times! What we go
> through to satisfy out TD habit.
When I first started buying TD albums, this wasn't as big of an issue.
The Virgin stuff was still around, they had not begun spinning out several
soundtracks every year on various small labels, and The Jive stuff was
getting fair distribution. That all changed though. And now I find myself
buying new TD material on sight, partly because I want it of course, but
also because I never know how soon it'll vanish! I was shocked to see
that albums like Miracle Mile are now selling as $26 imports around here
in Toronto.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't
make you depressed and cynical'
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 4:28
pm
Subject: What's Goblin Club like?
Really-From: ESCORT <113015.2637@c...>
I agree with you on your statements about TDs music. By far the greatest
line up was the Froese, Franke, Schmoelling. Since the departure of Chris
Franke i have found the music sounding the same from album to album. I
still love Tangerine Dream and
they will always be the no.1 band for me but i take your point. Linda Spa
has now left the band and there is a new member on keyboards so lates wait
and see for the next Dream. e-mail me. Is there anything youve not got, i
might be able to help and vice/versa. seeya Chris Towers
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 4:38
pm
Subject: Re: What's Goblin Club like?
Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> I don`t know if I am alone in this but I have felt a distinct decline in
> quality of TD's music over the last few years.
Oh, you're not alone here. Complaint over the quality of TD's recent
output is the grease in which the wheels of this discussion list turn.
The first album by TD taht I bought was Underwater Sunlight, which proved
to be somewhat unfortunate timing, because you could pin the beginning of
a sea change in TD quality right there. Since then, there's been Miracle
Mile, Quinoa, Dream Mixes....and then a few scattered good tracks here and
there. It's not that hard for me to make compilations of Tangerine Dream
music these days. It's not like I *want* to listen to the entire albums
very often (I tried this with Destination Berlin a couple of weeks
ago...still sounds cheesy).
As for Goblin's Club, it's better than Tyranny of Beauty, but a
disappointment after Dream Mixes. The songs are often choppy sounding;
they switch directions without rime or reason, the melodies are so-so, the
guitar work is okay but not testicle-grabbing, the drumming remains
quite mediocre. After a few short months, it has taken its place beside
'Turn of the Tides' in the 'Most Unplayed TD Album of Recent
Times' sweepstakes. While most people here hate it, I still like 'At
Darwin's Motel' though. But one track? Same thing with Tyranny. After
Catwalk, there ain't much going on.
The current situation -IMHO- is that TD is just sifting through a lot of
options as it strives to define itself for the 90s. From an artistic (and
sales) point of view, it would have been unwise for them to close down
development after 1975. Tangerine Dream is a band that arose because of a
special set of circumstances (the musical climate in Germany; the
invention of cheaper, more reliable synthesizers; Froese's astute decision
not to ape more gifted conventional rock bands). The situation has
changed, and so TD continues to change.
The reappearance of Zlatko Perica doesn't sound encouraging, but I
continue to hope for a new blast of inspiration from the band. You never
know when it'll issue from the Froese's fingertips.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't
make you depressed and cynical'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 4:51
pm
Subject: Re: Quality VS mass appeal
Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> I've been wondering about something lately: anyone has the sales figures
> of the various TD albums? I would be interested to see those numbers
> and compare them with *our* perception of the quality
The TDIFC, back in 1990 or so, put out sales figures, and I seem to recall
that the top five were (not in order here) Phaedra, Stratosfear,
Underwater Sunlight, Optical Race, and Force Majeure. Since then, I think
Rockoon and 220 Volt have leaped into the top five. So much for quality.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't
make you depressed and cynical'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 5:14
pm
Subject: Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal?
Really-From: dbrewer@a...
> Quoted From: Sean Montgomery
>
> also because I never know how soon it'll vanish! I was shocked to see
> that albums like Miracle Mile are now selling as $26 imports around here
> in Toronto.
>
(I assume that's expensive; I'm not sure how a $Can compares to a $US)
That's probably partly due to the fact that all of the Private Music
titles, except the compilation, are out of print. That was a copy on PM
you saw, right Sean? Luckily, I got my copies quite some time ago, I haven't
seen anything on PM in my area for a long time.
Dave Brewer
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 5:19
pm
Subject: The Keep
Really-From: AslanFan1@a...
If anyone is interested in this CD, please email me off list
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 5:22
pm
Subject: Re: What's Goblin Club like?
Really-From: Vic Rek
At 12:28 PM 4/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: ESCORT <113015.2637@c...>
>
>I agree with you on your statements about TDs music. By far the greatest
>line up was the Froese, Franke, Schmoelling.
By far? I recall a pretty good lineup including Froese, Franke, and Baumann
that created some legendary EM music.
Vic
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 5:30
pm
Subject: Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal?
Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> (I assume that's expensive; I'm not sure how a $Can compares to a $US)
$26 Canadian is around the $19-$20 US range. Compare to the $10 US cost
of most new disks here, and it looks damned pricey.
Mircale Mile was the first compact disk that I ever bought, actually!
I know that Private just got bought by Windham Hill, so I assume all of
the albums will get re-released. I wonder if they'll have the same cover
art?
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't
make you depressed and cynical'
From:
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 5:32
pm
Subject: Re: The Keep
Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> If anyone is interested in this CD, please email me off list
I'm assuming that this is the bootleg version?
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't
make you depressed and cynical'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 6:20
pm
Subject: Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal?
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 10:14 AM 4/8/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Really-From: dbrewer@a...
>
>
>> Quoted From: Sean Montgomery
>>
>> also because I never know how soon it'll vanish! I was shocked to see
>> that albums like Miracle Mile are now selling as $26 imports around here
>> in Toronto.
>
>(I assume that's expensive; I'm not sure how a $Can compares to a $US)
$7 American = $10 Canadian. If he is giving that figure in Canadian dollars,
the CD is $18 in US Dollars.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 6:23
pm
Subject: Re: What's Goblin Club like?
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 01:22 PM 4/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>
>At 12:28 PM 4/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Really-From: ESCORT <113015.2637@c...>
>>
>>I agree with you on your statements about TDs music. By far the greatest
>>line up was the Froese, Franke, Schmoelling.
>
>By far? I recall a pretty good lineup including Froese, Franke, and Baumann
>that created some legendary EM music.
>Vic
He said Froese, Franke, Schmoelling was the greatest line-up, not the only
great line-up.
I don't know if I agree with this... My top three albums are Phaedra, Logos
(the whole concert), and Force Majeure.
Morgan
feldon@n...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 11:20
am
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #883
Really-From: 'Obispo'
Hi all,
I'm disposing of my 30 year old vinyl collection and I have some
Tangerine Dream and TD-related albums for sale. If interested,
please e-mail me offlist at obispo@p... Here are the albums
graded on a 1-10 scale:
1) Michael Hoenig - Departure From The Northern Wasteland, Warner
Bros 1978, grade 9, played very little
2) Tangerine Dream - Alpha Centauri, English Import, Polydor, 1971
green label w/ two virgins, grade 8, vinyl great, some cover wear
3) Tangerine Dream - Stratosphere, Virgin Import, 1976
green label w/ two virgins, grade 8, gatecover, vinyl vg
4) Tangerine Dream - Stratosphere, Virgin US, 1976, cut-out
grade 7, gatecover, spline damage but vinyl is ex
5) Tangerine Dream - Cyclone, Virigin US, 1978, grade 9, cutout
6) Tangerine Dream - Phaedra, Virgin Import (label with twins
and lizard), 1974, grade 9, gatecover, cover wrapped in plastic,
vinyl ex.
7) Tangerine Dream - Rubycon, Grade 6, Virgin Import (label w/
twins and lizard), 1975, cover wear, slight scuffing on record but
plays through with little pop or scratch.
8) Tangerine Dream - Force Majeur, Grade 7, Virgin US, 1979, cut
out, cover needs to be re-glued at top and bottom, viinyl is in very
good shape.
9) Tangerine Dream - Richochet, Grade 9, Virgin US, 1979, some wear
on spline but otherwise excellent condition.
10) Tangerine Dream - Tangram, Grade 9, Virgin US, 1980,
cutout, some wear on spline but otherwise excellent condition.
11) Tangerine Dream - Exit, Electra label, Grade 9, 1981, Excellent
condition.
12) Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack, Grade 8, 1981, Vinyl
excellent condition, some spline damage to cover.
13) Tangerine Dream - Zeit, Grade 9, Virgin Import, green label with
two virgins, 1976, gatecover, vinyl is excellent.
14) Edgar Froese - Aqua, Grade 8, Virgin Import (twin label with
lizard), 1974, vinyl and cover vg w/some writing inside gatecover.
Steve
From:
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 6:28
pm
Subject: AMP
Really-From: Michael Fox
Bonehead said:>I happened to be flipping through the TV at about 1:30 AM
Sunday PST and
>noticed that MTV was doing some interesting electronic music videos.>>
The show you saw is called AMP. It's on MTV Sun. 1-2a EST (US). Some cool
stuff on there, indeed. My fave has been a band called dhs and the cut is
God's House. So, those in the states, set your VCR and groove. Then it's
back to 23 hrs of Rap and other --ah--'music'.
MIke
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 6:33
pm
Subject: jerome bashing
Really-From: Michael Fox
>lars
>(who did appreciate hearing both your story and Greg's too!)
>
>PS: now forming, the Jerome fan-club
>
Hey Lars! I got a great marketing idea! 'Jerome-wigs'! Sell 'em at the
concerts--imagine looking out to a crowd of coifs 2' high! A great
money-maker! A must-have for anyone in the JFC.
Mike
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 6:35
pm
Subject: Rockoon
Really-From: Michael Fox
>Rockoon bashing? Where do I sign up?
>
Now here is a REAL dissapointment. What were they thinking to release this
mess? Trying to get out of the PM contract?
MIke
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From:
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 6:44
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Subject: wankers
Really-From: Michael Fox
>Really-From: globetec@m...
>
>
>Please Remove From Mailing List
>http://www.globetech.co.uk
>
I checked out these wankers page. The products link doesn't work so who
knows what they do. CHeap advertising ploy disguised as annoyance?
Mike
From:
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 7:43
pm
Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze on MTV?
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-04-08 12:07:18 EDT, you write:
<< I happened to be flipping through the TV at about 1:30 AM Sunday PST and
noticed that MTV was doing some interesting electronic music videos. All of
a sudden they displayed a credit and it was Klaus Schulze! I think the song
title had something to do with moods for vocoders or something like that,
and
what I remember of the video kept featuring a close-up of a Mini-Moog.
There
were many other artists also. At 2:00 the show ended and went back to the
usual fare.
Anyway, maybe Dream Mixes will be on next weekend. >>
you are correct...this is mtvs new attempt at being avante garde...the
program is on on saturdays (actually sun) at 1:00 am est...its is called amp,
and has shown some decent videos of 'electronic' artists, including
haslinger, kraftwerk, aphex, etc...last saturday they did in fact show
vocoders in the dark by klaus, who was misnomered as klause schultze...btw,
the show is repeated fridays (actually sat) at 2:00 am est...enjoy...(no i am
not associated with this program or channel)
tom w
np: ryuichi sakamoto - smootchy
From:
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Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 8:07
pm
Subject: Hello!
Really-From: Alexander Bjelke
Hi everybody!
As an new subscriber to this mailinglist I will introduce myself:
My name is Alexander and live in Norway, and I am very new to music of
Tangerine Dream. I have heard very little of Tangerine Dream’s
production so fare, but that might change in the future….
As a big fan of Jean-Michel Jarre and a subscriber of the Jarre
mailinglist I have often heard Tangerine Dream mentioned, and since it
seems that Tangerine Dream and Jarre is musically «related»(?) to each
other. I want to hear a lot more of Tangerine Dream than I have today.
The problem is: where do I start?? I have «Underwater Sunlight» and
«Goblins Club», «Underwater Sunlight» was ok, but Goblins Club was a bit
disapointing…(I hope you don’t take this as swearing in the church….). I
heard «Alpha Centauri» at a CD-store yesterday, but it seems like rather
«difficult» music (seems like alot of noise and not so much music). But
I have heard alot of soundclips of different albums at the official
Tangerine Dream website, and a lot of them sounds very cool, especially
«Stratosfear», which I am going to buy very soon….
Do you have other suggestions of «classics» that would be a nice
introduction into the world of Tangerine Dream?
Best regards
Alexander
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