From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Hey, I Like ZONING More than GOBLINS' CLUB! Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: d:zoning >Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 04:31:36 -0500 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >d:zzzzzzzzzzoning 3as > >Since I have my cd but no insert with me, forgive me for not naming >names/titles (my pet peeve at the moment is f***ing cds that say: 'see >booklet for details' [...] What *sshole came up with that practice, anyways?!?!? :( :( :( (And notice that that's the deal with most of Virgin's American CDs!) >[...] I don't have much to say (now ain't that unusual??!) in fact, I >can't seem to get excited about this cd. It's not really that bad at >all but it is not something I grab and put on the player on a regular >basis [...] An interesting thing on that note: while it has no 'killer tracks,' like GOBLINS' CLUB does, it doesn't have too many turkeys, either. I wish I could say that for GOBLINS' CLUB. I think the last track is particularly unfocussed--like much of TYRANNY OF BEAUTY, actually. I enjoy playing ZONING all the way through than GOBLINS' CLUB all the way through. >On the one hand, I think I hear a wavelength type style here but, on the >other hand, wavelength sounds so much like schmoelling era TD and this >seems like the whole schmoelling 'feel' is missing here [...] maybe >what I am trying to say is that this cd sort of sounds like related to >wavelength but with franke and schmoelling subtracted out. [...] I think the main similarity to WAVELENGTH is that ZONING does indeed act well as a mood piece when taken as a unit. In this respect, RUMPELSTILTSKIN and DEADLY CARE function rather well . . . moreso, in fact, than, say, NEAR DARK or SHY PEOPLE. >[...] oops, sorry I must have 'zzzzzzzzzzoned' out; but what woke me up >was that last track, it sounds kinda interesting but at the same time, >really out of place. almost like a seattle years bonus track added on >to an early style of work... It's not so much out of place (like the last two tracks on the HEARTBREAKERS soundtrack ('Thorny Affair' and some other) but a tease of what could have followed, sort of like 'Silver Scale.' For the record, I probably play ZONING more often than I play GOBLINS' CLUB. And I play DESINATION BERLIN more than ZEIT, too. ;) Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 9:37 am Subject: Re: Dream Mixes Video Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Matt Williams > > Dream Mixes Video!! > > Any news on this yet...is it available in England yet???.....I have had > 'Oasis' for a few weeks and after finding the music rather dull I don't mind > it now(as usual TD music that I hate to begin with eventually grows on me :). > > Yes I have recieved a copy of the video I ordered it ages ago.It arrived on the 1st of April, (ill omen). I havn't perhaps given it the attention it deserves, but on fisrt impressions I am a little disappointed. The music I really like,(allready have the CD) but the video seems to lack imagination and is out of character with the music. Fast remixes of TD accompanied by footage filmed out of a car does not match. Maybe my impression of the Video will improve with time (I hope so). Gaza From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 2:50 am Subject: Any good record shop in Orlando,FL? Really-From: Alvaro Castillo Martinez /Mat Could some kind soul tell me the address of a record shop where to find a good repertoire of e-music? Thanks in advance. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2303 Re: Any good record shop in Orlando,FL? Vic Rek Fri 4/4/1997 2 KB 2352 Re: Any good record shop in Orlando,FL? Alvaro Castillo Martinez /Mat Sat 4/5/1997 2 KB 2353 Re: Any good record shop in Orlando,FL? Alvaro Castillo Martinez /Mat Sat 4/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 2:15 am Subject: Re: Any good record shop in Orlando,FL? Really-From: Vic Rek At 08:50 PM 4/3/97 -0600, you wrote: >Really-From: Alvaro Castillo Martinez /Mat > > > >Could some kind soul tell me the address of a record shop where to find a >good repertoire of e-music? > >Thanks in advance. > Save your money for Disneyland instead. I've been down there through some records shops, and their idea of EM is stocking 3 TD CDs and maybe a couple new age clones (similar to Atlanta by the way). So save yourself some time in the South and have some fun doing other things. Now if you can prove this wrong, please let me know so I can book my ticket to the Sunshine State. Raw oysters, Bloody Mary's, TD - at Key West! Yes! Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2352 Re: Any good record shop in Orlando,FL? Alvaro Castillo Martinez /Mat Sat 4/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 3:05 am Subject: Re: [Fwd: tadream-digest V15 #874] Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Phil, I have the 2 cd version from Relativity # 88561-8070-2 Disc One Birth of Liquid Plejades 20:00 min Nebulous Dawn 18:00 min Disc Two Origin of Supernatural Probabilities 20:12 Zeit 17:43 Hope this Helps Robert At 06:12 AM 4/3/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > >In a message dated 97-03-31 14:46:49 EST, you write: > ><< From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 06:00:01 +0000 > Subject: Re: D:\/\/\/\/ 'Zeit' \/\/\/\/ > > Really-From: Robert Grabowsky > > Phil, > It has 2 discs.How many TD CD's do you have?How long have you been > collecting TD? > Robert >> > > Robert, > Everyone else who has responded says it is one disc. Which one do >you have? > In answer to your question - - 27 CDs & 33 LPs issues not disks or >discs. I have been following the boys since 1974. > >Phil Naunton > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 5:04 am Subject: zeit & music Really-From: LADY OF THE LIZARDS Well I saw an alpha centauri cd in a shop tonight. I really thought about picking it up. Then I regained my senses (should have had my wife slap me). I can't believe the good reviews zeit is getting. to me most of those early 70s td cds are a waste of our resources. I wonder if the same people who like those cds are the same ones bashing V's Beaubourg. Beaubourg is music to me, zeit, em, ac, atem are just noise to me (and annoying too). Oh well, one man's garbage is anothers treasure (i think thats how the saying goes) rr bash away Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2343 Re: zeit & music Mark Filipak Fri 4/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 7:34 pm Subject: hi Really-From: rocket3@i... Hello! I wanted to share something very important. You know each of us only has one life to live. We need to make decisions now that will determine our future. The God of heaven sent his only Son to this earth to let us have a way to be right with God, have God's help in this life and one day be in heaven with God. There in heaven is peace, rest, love and joy. We definitely don't want to go to the other place called hell. In hell, there is darkness, thirst, torment and weeping and gnashing of teeth. So how can we enjoy God's blessing now and be in heaven? Simple, receive Jesus Christ as Savior. It says that if we will confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in our heart that God raised him from the dead we will be saved. We can simply pray: Heavenly Father, forgive me of my sins and I now confess Jesus Christ as the Lord of my life and I believe in my heart (with everything in me) that you raised Jesus Christ from the dead. The Word of God (the Bible) says that you are now saved! You are now a child of God, transferred from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light! Jesus is now your Good Shepherd, taking care of you and helping you! Thanks for reading and choosing life. Hope to hear from you soon! please see http://www.flash.net/~rein777 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2360 Re: hi PNaunton@a... Sat 4/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 6:53 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #879 Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' > Hey Craig. I'd like to dream about this: A grand reunion album. > Edgar, Peter, Chris, Johannes and Paul, all together for one big, 3CD > session. Let us know what the music was like. -- Mark > > ------------------------------ Why stop at a 3CD session? 5 or 6 CD's sounds a little more acceptable. :-P heheh Maxwell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 8:04 am Subject: Re: A bad Dream experience Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...> > > I had this dream! It was a nightmare!! The band played a cover of 'Float On' by > the Floaters. This really made my day, Robert ! Fantastic ! Especially the Johannes quote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 9:11 am Subject: two complaints Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> number one: look folks I don't mean to be a bitch (no misogynist overtones intended) but I have to admit that I too get really tired of reading posts that reply to someone else's post in which they repost the whole damn previous message (especially when that includes reposting elaborated signatures!!!). Now I will be the first to admit that I am guilty of posting some really really long messages. But look, when you are replying to someone else's message, we only need to read the pertinent parts, not the whole bloody thing all over again; for christ's sake, edit! And that is especially the case when the discussion goes on for three or four days; there is not much worse than re-re-re-re-reading the same bloody re-re-re-re-posted message for a whole F'ing week. Enough already! Stop the internal spamming! We know what the context is! Either use 'snip' or '[...]' or nothing --we'll understand. This would go a long way in reducing the 'noise' factor and length of these digests. I don't mind long posts or comments about a previous post, in fact, I want to read EVERYTHING that EVERYONE on this list has to say--but I really only want to read it once. I hate wading through 4 days' worth of comments continuously reposted in a 3- to 5-page message just to see what is new and to find out that all it is is one line that says 'yeah I agree'... sometimes I can't even find the new comments because they are buried so deep in the spam! Please note, this is an editorial complaint only and not one that concerns content/free speech. number two: when someone says 'please reply off line/privately' that means to send your e-mail to the e-mail address listed at the top of the posting! not to the tadream list itself and especially not with the original message attached unless it is/might be pertinent to all here! I know sometimes mistakes happen and I've done it myself but over the past week this has become a regular (mal)practice. arrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh! I had to get this off my chest! lars (who has been trying really hard not to say this for about three months) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2314 Re: two complaints Grant Middleton Fri 4/4/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 9:11 am Subject: zlatko Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Hey some of you can dump on zlatko all you want; all I know is how I feel when I hear his guitarwork; after edgar, he is one of very few musicians that can suck me right into the music and totally and completely absorb me. (I hope to see him in A'dam!!!) I think you can't rationally say that zlatko is responsible for the seattle sound (however you may feel about it) where does he get composition credits (sorry I don't have inserts with me)? Besides, there has been some really great stuff (5AS+) from this period and it is probably no surprise that what I like seems to have alot of guitar and alot of zlatko's guitar on it (Hornsby's and gradwohl's too -- np: little blond ... on endless repeat)! No one ever did post the 'real' story on zlatko and edgar, come on, out with it if you know--otherwise it must be rumors; quite lurking and start typing! All electronic? what the hell is that? I guess electronic guitars don't count?!!! screw this purist bullshit, I just want music that will reach right into my 'mens' (I like the latin here cause it really doesn't clearly distinguish between 'mind' [intellect] and 'soul')--and I don't even care if I hear a sax, I just want music that is efficacious! I can and do listen 'firetongues' for hours on end. MORE GUITAR IN TD EDGAR!!!! (even edgar has talked about what an highly emotional instrument the guitar is) If you want the other cold, emotionless shit, plug into some kraftwerk, take a very cold bath and crawl into a sarcophagus! lars (who is beginning to wonder if he has pms this week) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2312 Re: zlatko Greg Heil Fri 4/4/1997 3 KB 2337 Re: zlatko gary.cresswell1@v... Fri 4/4/1997 2 KB 2342 Re: zlatko Michael Fox Fri 4/4/1997 3 KB 2346 Re: zlatko dbrewer@a... Fri 4/4/1997 3 KB 2400 Re: zlatko Saa Sekuliæ/Sasha Sekulich Mon 4/7/1997 2 KB 2403 Re: zlatko feldon@n... Mon 4/7/1997 2 KB 8090 zlatko Michael A Jean Sun 10/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 9:12 am Subject: resend Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> last week I sent this to tadream but it never made it so I am resending the pertinent section: dreamers, I have a question: I stumbled upon an encore/hobo march single today; while I have known about this, I have no idea what part of encore it is or what hobo march sounds like. I probably won't ever know since I don't have a turntable. -- so could somebody please tell me which part of encore the single side is from and what hobo march is like? thanks ps, if anybody is interested in swapping for some nice TD Ohr stuff (any of them, but *no insert* for the fork in the toaster) drop me a private line--be aware that it will take a least a week for me to respond. lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2313 Re: resend Paul Nagle Fri 4/4/1997 2 KB 2315 Re: resend John Christian Fri 4/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 10:04 am Subject: Re: zlatko Really-From: Greg Heil >I think you can't rationally say that >zlatko is responsible for the seattle sound..... > ....Besides, there has been some really great stuff (5AS+) from this period 220 Volt and Tyranny of Beauty are my favs.. 5AS+ no doubt. >(Hornsby's and gradwohl's too --> np: little blond ... on endless >repeat)! I truly believe 'Tyranny of Beauty' wins hands down over 'Goblins Club' and a large part of that is because of the hard hitting guitar track 'Stratosfear 1995' > All electronic? what the hell is that? I guess electronic guitars >don't count?!!! Imagine 'Song the Whales Part One' without the electric guitars.. can't? Me either. screw this purist bullshit, I just want music that will reach > right into my 'mens' Only T-Dream's heavy guitar tracks have really made my blood pump quicker.. very few total synthesizer trackes have done that.. 'After the Call' definately did.. and 'Catwalk' was just fine without the guitars and accomplished this.. but combineing guitars and synthesizers really makes a great duo--look guys, we are not gonna pay revisit to Zeit with a happenless variety of airy enviroment sounds (not downing the album--it was good at the time when improvisation was your only choice of experimentation with echo machines and studio equip.) >--and I don't even care >if I hear a sax The sax style isn't bad at all, and on the track 'Living in a fountain pen', it practically blends right in with the start of the electric guitar. >Do listen 'firetongues' for hours on end. Best song on 'Turn of the Tides' in my opinion Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 5:08 pm Subject: Re: resend Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >turntable. -- so could somebody please tell me which part of encore the >single side is from and what hobo march is like? >thanks The Encore single had the nice phasey tuney bit from Encore side 1 or 2 and Hobo March is actually Ode To Granny A from Edgar's Ages, if memory serves me right. I've got it somewhere so I can check if you need to be sure. paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... http://www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 26/03/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2315 Re: resend John Christian Fri 4/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 11:37 am Subject: Re: two complaints Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > number one: > look folks I don't mean to be a bitch (no misogynist overtones intended) > but I have to admit that I too get really tired of reading posts that reply > to someone else's post in which they repost the whole damn previous message > (especially when that includes reposting elaborated signatures!!!). Now I > will be the first to admit that I am guilty of posting some really really > long messages. But look, when you are replying to someone else's message, > we only need to read the pertinent parts, not the whole bloody thing all > over again; for christ's sake, edit! And that is especially the case when > the discussion goes on for three or four days; there is not much worse than > re-re-re-re-reading the same bloody re-re-re-re-posted message for a whole > F'ing week. Enough already! Stop the internal spamming! We know what the > context is! Either use 'snip' or '[...]' or nothing --we'll understand. > This would go a long way in reducing the 'noise' factor and length of these > digests. I don't mind long posts or comments about a previous post, in > fact, I want to read EVERYTHING that EVERYONE on this list has to say--but > I really only want to read it once. I hate wading through 4 days' worth of > comments continuously reposted in a 3- to 5-page message just to see what > is new and to find out that all it is is one line that says 'yeah I > agree'... sometimes I can't even find the new comments because they are > buried so deep in the spam! Please note, this is an editorial complaint > only and not one that concerns content/free speech. > > number two: > when someone says 'please reply off line/privately' that means to send your > e-mail to the e-mail address listed at the top of the posting! not to the > tadream list itself and especially not with the original message attached > unless it is/might be pertinent to all here! I know sometimes mistakes > happen and I've done it myself but over the past week this has become a > regular (mal)practice. > > arrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh! I had to get this off my chest! > > lars > (who has been trying really hard not to say this for about three months) I agree. :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PS, I really DO agree with the comments, however there are people who prefer to have the whole post repeated rather than trawl back through a thread to understand the posting. Is it really THAT much hassle to re-read the post, lars ? Also, this is not 'spamming'. 'Spamming' is telling people who don't want to know how great it is to be saved by Jesus. Or how to make $$$s fast. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 11:06 am Subject: Re: resend Really-From: John Christian Said Paul: >The Encore single had the nice phasey tuney bit from Encore side 1 or >2 and Hobo March is actually Ode To Granny A from Edgar's Ages, if >memory serves me right. Yep, it's right. Side one is not the version off Encore, it's a sweetened up studio version, which was also on 70-80 (and hence on some boots methinks). John -- John Christian - mail:john@p... AirSculpture Try out WebMaze at From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 1:27 pm Subject: Re: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3 Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' ---------- > Von: tadream mailing list > An: tadream@c... > Betreff: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3 > Datum: Donnerstag, 3. April 1997 15:13 > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Hi All. If anyone has the Jive, C TANG 3 version of 'Zeit', could you > pop it into a CD player and write down the actual running times? Thanks > in advance -- Mark 19:56+17:53+19:34+14:35=71:58 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: TD Dream Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... Hello all, My one TD dream was in 1986, just prior to the British tour. At that point, we didn't know that Johannes had left, and when the curtains opened (in the dream), we saw that the band had reverted to traditional instruments, with Chris on drums, Edgar on guitar and vocals and Johannes on bass. They got through Rush's 'Temples of Syrinx' and Motorhead's 'Ace of Spades' before I woke up sweating. I think this dream is at the root of my utter revulsion for _Three Phase_ and in particular the cover of 'Purple Haze'. Back in '86 the idea of TD doing heavy rock numbers was nothing more than an unbelievably scary nightmare. Little did I know then that 6 years later... Glynn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 2:17 pm Subject: RE : setlist for 11/28/76 Really-From: Bill Lantz Scott.Plumer@t... wrote: >Their stuff was primarily improv back then. How could you get a setlist? >Scott Much of it sounds structured including a piece with what sounds to be acoustic guitar. But I guess asking for a true 'setlist' was probably not the correct phrase - just as Encores contained some of Stratosfear and other familiar excerpts, I was looking for that kind of response. Perhaps it was all improv but I doubt it - I just can't place most of it although parts sound semi-familiar as with the Sorcerer themes I mentioned. Did the members of Tdream at that time hit the stage with no idea what they were going to do? I'd be interested to know if that is the case. Bill From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 2:20 pm Subject: Bootlegs Really-From: TangerineC@a... I'm desperatley looking for TD bootlegs on Cd or Lp. I have nothing to trade but I am interested in buying them. Please e-mail me with your list of titles you'd like to sell to me at TangerineC@a... Thanks. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5410 Bootlegs TangerineC@a... Thu 6/26/1997 2 KB 5438 Re: Bootlegs GrafZeigen@a... Fri 6/27/1997 2 KB 6633 Bootlegs TangerineC@a... Fri 8/15/1997 3 KB 7591 Bootlegs John Christian Thu 10/9/1997 3 KB 7596 Re: Bootlegs vs. Pirates, sounds like a football feldon@p... Wed 10/8/1997 5 KB 7623 Re: Bootlegs vs. Pirates, sounds like a football John Christian Thu 10/9/1997 5 KB 7602 Re: Bootlegs Plumer, Scott Wed 10/8/1997 4 KB 7618 Re: Bootlegs John Christian Thu 10/9/1997 7 KB 13221 Bootlegs Steve Jenkins Tue 4/21/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 2:26 pm Subject: Re: setlist for 11/28/76 Really-From: Bill Lantz At 07:17 AM 4/3/97 -0800, Mark Filipak wrote: >tadream mailing list wrote: >> >> Really-From: Bill Lantz >> >> Can anyone supply me with a setlist for November 28, 1976 TD gig in >> Paris? Also, was this the Pavilion? I recently came across a nice >> audience tape of this performance and can't place most of the music. >> Some Sorcerer themes pop up in a few places, notably the encore, but >> for the most part, this performance escapes me being able to name the >> pieces. >> >> Also, on a side question, who are the two Klauses' that get thanked >> on Michael Hoenig's Northern Wasteland album? Schulze I assume is one. > >Welcome to non-lurk mode. I would assume that the other Klaus is Klaus >D. Mueller, but it could be Klaus Kinkle for all I really know. >Regarding the 28 Nov 76 gig, my records indicate that it was at Centre >Culturel in Toulouse and not in Paris at all. If you have different >info, please let me know, but I show the Paris show on 22 Nov at Le >Palais des Sports. Regards -- Mark Thanks for the info. My tape was labeled 11/28/76 Paris but it's impossible to tell which would be the right date. The band intro is clipped and the only talking is by the band (Edgar?) in English. I'll likely change the date to 11/22/76 to match the location given to me. Out of curiousity, what is your source for that gig info? Bill From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Overquoting: Give It a Rest . . . Please! Really-From: Steven Feldman >Re: two complaints >Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 12:37:07 +0100 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > >> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >> >> number one: >> look folks I [...] too get really tired of reading posts that reply >> to someone else's post in which they repost the whole damn previous >> message [...] > >I agree. :-) Then why did you quote Lars' entire f**king post? >PS, I really DO agree with the comments, however there are people >who prefer to have the whole post repeated rather than trawl back >through a thread to understand the posting. [...] Yeah, and some people get their genitals pierced and get huge Maori-style tattoos that will cost a fortune to remove once they wake up and/or grow up. So what. Must we cater to the few just to cover each and every conceivable base? >Is it really THAT much hassle to re-read the post, lars ? It can be expensive for some people, depending on what sort of e-mail account they have. What's more, it's bad netiquette (and this is coming from someone who sometimes incites flame wars on purpose) and a waste of bandwidth. If you are unable to isolate the salient quotes required for a succinct reply to a given posting, that's *your* problem. I assume that most people here don't suffer from such an affliction. I used to be a listowner, and we used to pressure people into ceasing from overquoting with the threat of termination of their subscription. The guy who since took over the list has absolutely no patience for overquoting. It's a pain in the ass and does nothing more than annoy. Please cease and desist from overquoting. Thank you. Sorry to come off as such a hot-under-the-collar type, but there should be no room for discussion on a matter such as this. X-0 -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2327 Re: Overquoting: Give It a Rest . . . Please! Grant Middleton Fri 4/4/1997 2 KB 2341 Re: Overquoting: Give It a Rest . . . Please! Michael Fox Fri 4/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 2:31 pm Subject: Re: My eye-tooth for Reims '74! Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) Is this the same as Live! Improvised? Ranjit had it listed for ages. I stalled at the $40 and now that he no longer carries it I *really* want it! I have this bad habit of waiting too long to buy things. Of course, as soon as they're no longer available - I want it more than ever. Larry >I will give my eye-tooth (or an equivalently valuable commodity) for >the Reims (Live at Reims, Dec 13, '74) 2-CD album. > >I am groveling, here. > >Andrew > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2332 Re: My eye-tooth for Reims '74! Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 4/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: HI Spam Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...> >>There in heaven is peace, rest, love and joy. We definitely don't want to go to the other place called hell. In hell, there is darkness, thirst, torment and weeping and gnashing of teeth.<< Don't you think that if these people are going to send stuff to this list, the least they could do is tailor it to the list's interest? Something like 'In heaven Tangerine Dream play all day improvised concerts In Hell you don't really hear music, but Yanni gives smarmy introductions to songs dedicated to Linda Evans eternally....' Does anyone else remember the Saturday Night Live bit with Paul Simon. He's on an elevator and it's playing a bastardized Muzak version of one of his songs. Turns out he's died and gone to Hell, to be forever tormented by elevator music versions of his songs. Phew, gotta go. I'm feeling kinda thirsty. (Damn, why is it so dark in here?) ;-) >>Bob<< From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 2:52 pm Subject: Live CDs Really-From: Mark Edmonds Does anyone know of any live CDs from the Exit tour, specifically at the Assembly Rooms, Derby, UK? I can`t start getting into tapes because I don`t have a tape recorder. Thanks, Mark Edmonds, London. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 3:35 pm Subject: exit tour CDs (?) Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > >Really-From: Mark Edmonds > > >Does anyone know of any live CDs from the Exit tour, specifically at the >Assembly Rooms, Derby, UK? I can`t start getting into tapes because I >don`t have a tape recorder. > >Thanks, > >Mark Edmonds, London. > what exactly is the 'Exit Tour'? Close to it might be the CD 'Ratikon' (a-umlaut) - a concert which starts with 'Mojave Plan', and 'Choronzon' is one of the encores. Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2348 Re: exit tour CDs (?) Mark Filipak Fri 4/4/1997 3 KB 2364 Re: exit tour CDs (?) gary.cresswell1@v... Sat 4/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 3:40 pm Subject: Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-04-03 15:01:14 EST, you write: << ><< Kraftwerk did invent > techno, but I'm not so sure that's an achievement to be proud of. >and why not, may i ask? Let me quote from my original post: > As art, it succeeds, but > as music, well, if I want to listen to a machine I'll ride my bike. Scott >> what your bike has to do with your opinion that being the 'inventor' of 'techno' is an achievement not to be proud of escapes me...is it possible that ur saying that machines are ok as long as the members of kraftwerk arent playing them? just curious, tom w np: koolfang - jambient From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 4:32 pm Subject: Re: Overquoting: Give It a Rest . . . Please! Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > >I agree. :-) > > Then why did you quote Lars' entire f**king post? It was a f***ing joke, Steven. Hence the f***ing smilie. Jeez. No sig - saving precious bytes. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: BECOME THE OTHER Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Dream Mixes Video >Date: Thu, 3 Apr 97 23:14:18 GMT >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Matt Williams > >[...] my most precious Ozric Tentacles cereal box set.......anyone else >own this deleted set???... [...] I do. Heck, I even have their 2-CD compilation album AFTERSWISH -- comprised mostly of stuff from the 6-CD cereal box set. >[...] Opps sorry what have Ozric Tentacles got to do with TD :). Lots. They are one of the few bands that are TD-esque and yet add something to the TD sound rather than just recycle it. And they're like Hawkwind and Gong in many ways, too, plug, plug. ;) By the way, the only Ozrics CD I don't have is the most recent one, BECOME THE OTHER. How is it? Unlike STRANGEITUDE, [can't recall the title], and ARBORESCENCE, BECOME THE OTHER didn't get released in the US of A. Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2357 Re: BECOME THE OTHER Larry E Smith Sat 4/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 4:42 pm Subject: Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This ><< ><< Kraftwerk did invent > > techno, but I'm not so sure that's an achievement to be proud of. > >and why not, may i ask? > Let me quote from my original post: > > As art, it succeeds, but > > as music, well, if I want to listen to a machine I'll ride my bike. >what your bike has to do with your opinion that being the 'inventor' of >'techno' is an achievement not to be proud of escapes me...is it possible >that ur saying that machines are ok as long as the members of kraftwerk arent >playing them? just curious, Hey, you wanna step outside? :-) One of the criticisms of electronic music has always been that it's too cold, too non-human, too mechanical. I've always thought TD transcends this and brings a lot of feeling and depth to their music. When I hear TD, I don't get the feeling it's three guys playing electronic devices so much as it's . . . well, I don't know. I have a friend who listens to nothing but jazz and sneers at e-music, saying it's 'not real music.' Then I ask him if he listens to CD's which of course he does, then I remind him that CD's aren't real music either, just digital dopplegangers of music. (Please no discussions of the physics of acoustics) My opinion: if it sounds like music, it _is_ music. Kraftwerk, from about Autobahn on, doesn't sound like music to me. I think they live up to every stereotype of e-music. It sounds like a machine. Now if KW's _intends_ to sound like a machine, that's great. I can appreciate that from an artistic point of view. I'm not debating their artistic merit, if that's their intent. I can also artistically appreciate Jackson Pollack's, Marcel Duchamp's or Piet Mondrian's paintings, but I'd far prefer Ingres' Odalisque hanging over my couch, because I find pictures of nude women more pleasing to look at. :-) And if you want my criticism of techno, anything that is produced solely for adolescents to dance to can't be of much merit. In short, it's garbage. Understand? Scott P.S. If we continue this discussion, I'd prefer it be off-list. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 4:48 pm Subject: D:Zoning Really-From: Vic Rek 2AS I only really listen to the first track: The Conspiracy. I like it alot, especially the intro part. The last cut 'Missing Link' is also a nice one; otherwise, the rest is somewhat background music. It is interesting though how this release found itself onto the Repertoire label. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 5:03 pm Subject: KS: The Works Does anyone have a copy of the Klaus Schulze book _The Works_ you'd be willing to consult for me? I need to check some information. Thanks. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2373 Re: KS: The Works Simon W. Hood Sat 4/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 11:14 am Subject: Re: My eye-tooth for Reims '74! Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) > > >Is this the same as Live! Improvised? Ranjit had it listed for ages. I >stalled at the $40 and now that he no longer carries it I *really* want >it! I have this bad habit of waiting too long to buy things. Of course, >as soon as they're no longer available - I want it more than ever. > Yup. the same. You and me both.... grrrrr.... just shows you: he who snoozes, loses. I think we should have a sugar-daddy who can finance our TD-vice, so we wouldn't have to hesitate when we see $39.95 next to a 'classic' boot that we know we MUST have. Eventually. :-) Unfortunately, I am too old and no longer handsome... so I will just have to pay through the nose and skip lunches for a while. BTW, if you are patient, ask Ranjit for it.... he will look for it...for a price, I am sure. :-) I wonder what happened to Klaus Beschorner and his regular boots updates. His discography has not been updated since '94. I miss his reports. Anyone know? Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 5:16 pm Subject: Re: Dream Experience to Share Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-02 04:19:28 EST, you write: << Unfortunately, I woke up before I could buy or hear any of these. Any dream analysts out there want to interpret this for me? LET ME RE-ITERATE, THIS WAS A DREAM. FIRST PERSON TO ASK ME WHERE THEY CAN FIND THESE NEW BOOTS GETS A SLAP!!! --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey >> Next time take a recorder with you. I don't think there will be any trouble with copyrights, although Edgar will probably try to stop you if you try to release this stuff comercially. If you get anything worth listening to, call me. I would be happy to run off a few copies on the sly. Phil Naunton -- It is April isn't it? ;-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 5:16 pm Subject: Re: (no TD) Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-01 18:41:48 EST, you write: << If it is the CD itself that controls the RPM speed, then it is therefore possible to run a CD at a slower speed, yet 'fit' more audio on a single 'groove' of information on a CD... the audio would be lower quality.. But hey, my theory.. you can call me nuts if you want ;) Greg.. >> It has been done. It is called Mini-Disc. It's crap. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: setlist for 11/28/76 Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >>Thanks for the info. My tape was labeled 11/28/76 Paris but it's impossible >>to tell which would be the right date. The band intro is clipped and the >>only talking is by the band (Edgar?) in English. I'll likely change the date >>to 11/22/76 to match the location given to me. Out of curiousity, what is >>your source for that gig info? Bill, If you hear one of the band members talking (Peter Baumann most likely) at the start of Side B of your tape (around 45 minutes into it, assuming it's a 90-minute tape), then that concert is indeed Paris Palais du Sport 11/22/76. It's one of the few concert tapes in which you hear one of the band members speak in the middle of the show. He mentions that the band would like to play a song based on some French composer's work, right? --John From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Exit tour info Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >>what exactly is the 'Exit Tour'? The Exit tour was the 1981 UK tour (October-November). The second CD of the Three-Tier Dream 3 CD set is from that tour (London Hammersmith 1981). It sounds OK, though not spectacular in quality. It's mostly new music on the themes of 'The Soldier', 'Sobornost,' and the like. There are also one or two CDRs of the tour floating around out there ('Dreamtime' is one, from Newcastle), but I haven't heard any of them and don't know where to find a copy. No recording of any kind (tape or CD) is known to exist of Derby UK 1981, though there are tapes of Derby 1980 and 1982. BTW, Armin, could you email me privately with your current mailing address once again? I promised you something in London I never delivered..... Cheers John From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 3:22 am Subject: Re: zlatko Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... > > Imagine 'Song the Whales Part One' without the electric guitars.. can't? > Me either. > > > Only T-Dream's heavy guitar tracks have really made my blood pump > quicker.. very few total synthesizer trackes have done that.. ' Imagine Logos with guitars (perish the thought) Gaza From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 6:24 pm Subject: Dreamz and Mark Filipak Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi All and Mark... >> Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) >> >> >I am not a dream analyst, but from the look of things, you are INDEED >> >obsessed with TD music. I believe this denotes: >> >- - taste >> >- - sophistication >> >- - higher than average IQ >> >- - extreme charm and savvy with the ladies >> >- - etc. >> >> Err, so how does this account for me and Ash Prema? > >Better add 'anal compulsion for musical toys' to the list. Mark, Oooooo.... that's fightin' talk! Hey boyz, put away them thar' shootin' irons...someones gonna git hurt! >I mean, it is a fact that bands break up so much because musicians >only want to play with themselves, isn't it? Waaa....He's at it again. Oooo...it makes ma' blood boil... Nope, nope, I'm not gonna do it...I'm not gonna call him something mean...Guess he's just pissed because he's lost _another_ arguement! q:o) ... what a thing to say... Cheers to all (except MF) David T-Bass : Electronic Music email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2349 Re: Dreamz and Mark Filipak Mark Filipak Fri 4/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 6:23 pm Subject: Competition Time! Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Really-From: PNaunton@a... ><< P.S. The T-Bass competition still has relatively few entries : about seven > in total! Humph! Please drop by the web page and make an entry or I really > will start to believe that the list is getting apathetic... > > T-Bass : Electronic Music > email : dhughes@g... > web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html > >> > > According to my watch it's April. Contest's over. Sorry I missed >it. Phil et al, The competition isn't over yet. We extended the deadline by another two weeks to give people a chance to get back from their Easter Break. Plus, with only seven or eight entries we were sure the digest could do better... Cheers David T-Bass : Electronic Music email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 6:26 pm Subject: Re: Eh? Dreamz... Really-From: dbrewer@a... > QuotedFrom: Mark Filipak > > I mean, it is a fact that bands break up so much because musicians > only want to play with themselves, isn't it? > hey, Hey, HEY! Don't be spreading rumors about what musicians do in their spare time! oh...THAT wasn't what you meant, was it? ;-) I don't think it's so much that they want to play by themselves, it's just that it gets hard occasionally to deal with the strong egos of the others in the group. It is nice to be the only one working on music, but it can get lonely at times. TD content: there have apparently been many strong egos in the band over the years... Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 7:20 pm Subject: Re: Overquoting: Give It a Rest . . . Please! Really-From: Michael Fox Steven and Lars must be PMSing at the same time. Mike At 05:32 PM 4/4/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > >> >I agree. :-) >> >> Then why did you quote Lars' entire f**king post? > >It was a f***ing joke, Steven. Hence the f***ing smilie. > >Jeez. > >No sig - saving precious bytes. > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 7:25 pm Subject: Re: zlatko Really-From: Michael Fox Gotta go with Gary on this one. I spent some energy and time finding the video for 3 phase and was utterly dissapointed! This ain't freekin' Van Halen! Purple Haze?? Awful!! The trend in guitar to play as many notes as possible has been so overdone to become cliche'd. Zlatko can go as far as I'm concerned (and aren't you glad to hear MY opinion). I'd much prefer to see three geezers surrounded by 6 tons of electronic gear go at it than the stuff displayed on 3 phase. And, Jerome, lose the haircut. Mike At 07:22 PM 4/4/97 -0800, you wrote: >Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... > > >> >> Imagine 'Song the Whales Part One' without the electric guitars.. can't? >> Me either. >> >> >> Only T-Dream's heavy guitar tracks have really made my blood pump >> quicker.. very few total synthesizer trackes have done that.. ' > >Imagine Logos with guitars (perish the thought) >Gaza > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2346 Re: zlatko dbrewer@a... Fri 4/4/1997 3 KB 2400 Re: zlatko Saa Sekuliæ/Sasha Sekulich Mon 4/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 7:17 pm Subject: Re: zeit & music Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: LADY OF THE LIZARDS > > ... Beaubourg is music to me, zeit, em, ac, atem are just > noise to me (and annoying too). Oh well, one man's garbage is > anothers treasure (i think thats how the saying goes) Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't care for elitism but there's something to be said about appreciating both 'Beaubourg' and 'Zeit', each for what it gives. They just speak in different tongues. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 7:42 pm Subject: quotes Really-From: Michael Fox I'm curious as to why Steven rants about quoting posts and long signatures and yet this is on most of HIS posts. Just curious...feel free to bash! Mike Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 7:50 pm Subject: Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-04-04 12:16:08 EST, you write: << Understand? Scott P.S. If we continue this discussion, I'd prefer it be off-list. >> yes...u have made your point clear and succinct...though i do not agree with it entirely, we can agree to disagree...and that, imo, is what this list, and others, are for...regards, tom w np: UVOII - the sound of heaven From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 8:10 pm Subject: Re: zlatko Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Michael Fox > > > Gotta go with Gary on this one. I spent some energy and time finding the > video for 3 phase and was utterly dissapointed! This ain't freekin' Van > Halen! Purple Haze?? Awful!! The trend in guitar to play as many notes as > possible has been so overdone to become cliche'd. Zlatko can go as far as I'm for Zlatko's return myself. I do agree that he was too much into the speedy riffs thing for a while. But I think that by the time TotT came out, he really refined his playing, making a more meaningful contribution to the songs and not just noodling at warp factor 9 over the keyboard parts. I wish I could go to see the Euopean tour! :-( BTW, I think that SotW 1 & 2 show some of the best uses of guitar in TD's music. Simply awesome! Dave Brewer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2400 Re: zlatko Saa Sekuliæ/Sasha Sekulich Mon 4/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 8:25 pm Subject: Re: RE : setlist for 11/28/76 Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Bill Lantz > > Scott.Plumer@t... wrote: > > > Their stuff was primarily improv back then. How could you get a > > setlist? > > >Scott > > Much of it sounds structured including a piece with what sounds to be > acoustic guitar. But I guess asking for a true 'setlist' was probably > not the correct phrase - just as Encores contained some of Stratosfear > and other familiar excerpts, I was looking for that kind of response. > Perhaps it was all improv but I doubt it - I just can't place most of > it although parts sound semi-familiar as with the Sorcerer themes I > mentioned. > > Did the members of Tdream at that time hit the stage with no idea what > they were going to do? I'd be interested to know if that is the case. Come on Bill. You know what improv means, don't you? I've heard quite of bit of this early stuff now. You get hints of future themes here and there, but only hints -- a particularly familiar sounding sequence every now and then only lasting for 10 or 20 seconds, but nothing you could build a track listing around. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 8:44 pm Subject: Re: exit tour CDs (?) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > > >Really-From: Mark Edmonds > > > > Does anyone know of any live CDs from the Exit tour, specifically at > > the Assembly Rooms, Derby, UK? I can`t start getting into tapes > > because I don`t have a tape recorder. > > what exactly is the 'Exit Tour'? Here's a bit of chronology between 'Exit' and 'White Eagle'. If TD had an Exit tour, I guess it would have been the 81 UK tour. [Jul 81] EXIT Free 'Concert for Nuclear Disarmament and World Peace', Platz der Republik, Berlin [29 Aug 81] OFFICIAL BOOTLEG TAPE British Tour 81 New Theatre, Oxford [15 Oct 81] Guildhall, Portsmouth [16 Oct 81] The Dome, Brighton [17 Oct 81] Hammersmith Odeon, London [20 Oct 81] City Hall, Sheffield [22 Oct 81] City Hall, Manchester [24 Oct 81] City Hall, Newcastle [25 Oct 81] SPACE & SPHERES, DREAMTIME Usher Hall, Edinburgh [26 Oct 81] Apollo, Glasgow [27 Oct 81] Guildhall, Preston [28 Oct 81] Royal Court, Liverpool [29 Oct 81] Gemeindezentrum Lukaskirche, Gelsenkirchen [11 Nov 81] 'Klassik Rock Nacht' Cirkus-Krone-Bau, Munich [9 Dec 81] ---- 82 ---- [Jan 82] WHITE EAGLE 'Space & Spheres' is an LP and 'Dreamtime' is a CDR. Hope this helps you dream some more because I think if you want to find either of these b**ts, you're going to need to do a lot of it. -- Mark PS: Mark, if you have info on a gig at the Assembly Rooms, Derby in 81, would you please send it to me off-list. Thanks -- M From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 9:31 pm Subject: Re: Dreamz and Mark Filipak Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes -- not to be confused with Howard Hughes who also played with himself quite a bit) > > Hi All and Mark... > > >> Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > >> > >> >I am not a dream analyst, but from the look of things, you are > >> >INDEED obsessed with TD music. I believe this denotes: > >> >- - taste > >> >- - sophistication > >> >- - higher than average IQ > >> >- - extreme charm and savvy with the ladies > >> >- - etc. > >> > >> Err, so how does this account for me and Ash Prema? > > > >Better add 'anal compulsion for musical toys' to the list. > -babbling deleted in the interest of bandwidth conservation- > > Cheers to all (except MF) Dave, I've heard your stuff (folks, it's called 'Infection of Time' by some band named Tranquility Bass that moved to Novaya Zemlya and records on the Astroturf label I believe) and you definitely are playing with yourself -- 4AS -- with a few 'stokes' of genius. -- M From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 11:05 pm Subject: Re: d:zoning Really-From: Tony Marshall > >Really-From: feldon@n... > >Zoning. Hmmm... Definately a 2AS. > >Of the 13 tracks on the disc, only track 1 and track 13 (intro and ending) >are of any special quality. Oddly, these are the only tracks listed in >booklet as having been done by Edgar and Jerome. They should have just >called this thing: Zoning by Edgar Froese. > Yep. Track one is great - the rest are crap. Tony Marshall |#include ----------------------|--------------------------------------------------- My Mystery Tune Page http://www.zigzag.u-net.com/ - updating it soon! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 11:20 pm Subject: Exit Relates to Non-TD Content Really-From: Greg Heil Hi Everyone... Has anyone discovered the signifigance of the album 'Exit'? We all know about the album's relation to the Cold War, but has anyone looked into some of the other track titles and their meanings? There is a particularily interesting story surrounding the idea of 'Remote Viewing' thus, it being a track in 'Exit', I find that really interesting because T-Dream knew about something that the United States government only released the information about 2 years ago. The whole idea of remote viewing (trained psychics) was to develop and teach people methods of 'seeing' targets or objects on the other side of the Earth with their minds. The height of this work was during the Cold War and was continued for about thirty years, and it was assumed the Russians had developed simmilar projects. I'm assuming the project worked because I still hear about this, even today via talk radio. Oh.. and by the way, it was Remote Viewer Courtny Brown of the Farsight Institute who proclaimed the rectangular, metalic UFO spacecraft was behind the comet Hale Bopp. ALL TRUE! (I don't believe the UFO though!) I heard about this via the Art Bell radio talk show.. Remote Viewing is a title, and is claimed much more accurate then natural pshychic abilities.. Gee.. and Tangerine Dream knew about this 16 years ago.. *sigh* I could go deeper into this remote viewing thing, but I'll be nice.. P.S. To go into a sleep-like state to remote view, there needs to be some kind of medatative affect... hmmm... Tangerine Dream makes meditative space music to Remote View by? Government Contarct? Hee hee.. just joking! Greg.. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 2:29 am Subject: Re: Any good record shop in Orlando,FL? Really-From: Alvaro Castillo Martinez /Mat > Save your money for Disneyland instead. I've been down there through some > records shops, and their idea of EM is stocking 3 TD CDs and maybe a couple > new age clones (similar to Atlanta by the way). So save yourself some time > in the South and have some fun doing other things. > > Now if you can prove this wrong, please let me know so I can book my ticket > to the Sunshine State. Raw oysters, Bloody Mary's, TD - at Key West! Yes! > > Vic > I hope you are wrong. I will let you know in 2 weeks. -Alvaro- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 2:34 am Subject: Re: Any good record shop in Orlando,FL? Really-From: Alvaro Castillo Martinez /Mat > Hey Alvaro. Do you think there is someone else on this list from > Orlando? Maybe but I doubt it. How about mail order places on the > net. Do you want a list of those? -- Mark > Thanks for the offer. Please send me a list of good places. Alvaro. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 2:03 am Subject: Re: d:zoning Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Tony Marshall > > Yep. Track one is great - the rest are crap. Well thank you Tony for that definitive opinion. But me and Phil Vendy still like Zoning. -- Mark PS: See Phil. Though you're no longer with us, things have stayed pretty much the same. -- M (holding up the standard for fine listening) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 2:21 am Subject: Re: Zeit times from Relativity # 88561-8070-2 Really-From: Mark Filipak Robert Grabowsky wrote: > > 2 cd version from Relativity # 88561-8070-2 > Label Times Real Times > Birth of Liquid Plejades 20:00 19:56 > Nebulous Dawn 18:00 17:55 > Origin of Supernatural Probabilities 20:12 19:35 > Zeit 17:43 17:01 > > Damn... what a difference That's a wrap. All the CD versions have 'Zeit' (ie, track 4) cut from between 1 minute to 3 minutes short of what the LP has (as timed from the LP, not from the label times). The only question left is WHY? -- Mark (who doesn't have a clue) PS: Thanks all who participated in this voyage of disc-cover-re. PPS: Phil, can you tell me please, which LP did you time for me? -- M From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 3:55 am Subject: A Couple Questions.. Really-From: Greg Heil Hmmm.. I have not heard much of the album 'Zeit', but is it really hard to tell if actual 'music' has been trimmed from each of the tracks found on various editions of the same album? I mean, how can a compony really get away with trimming as much as three to four minutes of music and release it as if it were final say for that album? I know how it can take very lengthy amounts of time to fully understand an album like 'Zeit' and it's really up in the air and shear luck for fans like us to get our music re-released in the original, unedited format (I don't mind digital mastering and static clean-up). The same goes with inserts and album covers.. And one last thing: In the Virgin CD releases of T-Dream, the CD mastering was done by a group called Chop-Em Out in London.. what comes to mind when you hear a title like that? Oh pretty please be careful with those sounds.. yeah..yeah I know it isn't grunge.. no.. please please.. just be careful.. and patience.. Hey!! don't throw discs around will ya! This ain't an assembly line kinda deal here eh! Er.. you are Chopping them Out.. oops! Er.. sorry Greg... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2386 Re: A Couple Questions.. Mark Filipak Sun 4/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 4:55 am Subject: Re: BECOME THE OTHER Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) I haven't listened to it much (and I'm fairly new to Ozric Tentacles), but I found Become the Other to be closer to Strangeitude than the jazzier Jurrasic Shift and spacier Arborescence. I read where many of the long time OT fans did not care for it as much, but I like it! Larry > By the way, the only Ozrics CD I don't have is the most recent >one, BECOME THE OTHER. How is it? Unlike STRANGEITUDE, [can't >recall the title], and ARBORESCENCE, BECOME THE OTHER didn't get >released in the US of A. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 4:55 am Subject: Re: strange dreams Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) I haven't tried to find this one, but I have a handful of Tyndall's albums on import. It seems like all were fairly difficult to get a hold of. One source told me he would have to be contacted directly for some of his material. Larry >Speaking of Nik Tyndall, I have been trying to find his EINKLANG album >for >over ten years! Does anybody have it? > >MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 5:56 am Subject: Re: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3 Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-04 07:45:16 EST, you write: << 19:56+17:53+19:34+14:35=71:58 >> Amazing! Why, I wonder. It really seems silly to cut like this for practically no reason. Phil Naunton P.S. Lars, is this response edited enough? ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2367 Re: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3 John Christian Sat 4/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 5:56 am Subject: Re: hi Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-04 02:04:24 EST, you write: << Thanks for reading and choosing life. Hope to hear from you soon! >> DROP DEAD ! ! ! ! ! Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 9:16 am Subject: orb mandarin cream and other discoveries Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers Got the Orb's Mandarin Cream Remix today; but what a totally weird, life-altering day it was--a day I was exposed to three totally different degrees of music. ***** (WARNING: OPINION ZONE) ***** First, this morning's mail brought fellow list-member's Paul Nagle's 'Earthshaper' CD (AMP records AMP CD034); (FYI this is a totally unsolicited mention which in no way benefits me!); This really is a good cd and I thoroughly enjoy it, especially the track 'Retribution' which is fantastic! Someone else mentioned this cd positively this week too; perhaps the best way to describe it is as Paul told me, 'influenced by TD at its best.' Like Network 388, It is hard for me to compare it to TD but you feel the influence and know it is there yet Paul's work stands on its own. We should support our list member musicians more by at least sharing some reviews of their stuff for the benefit of others (that being said, now I'm obligated to try T-Bass' and Ash's music too!). I want to say more about this CD after it has had some time to settle into my head but, as you will see, my head is well... read on.... >From there I went and picked up the Orb's Mandarin Cream remix of 'Towards the Evening Star.' I had never listened to the Orb before but their stuff has been plastered all around the 'big' record stores here and hearing them mentioned on this list occasionally I thought this would be something new and 'risque'--maybe something from the 'club scene' with which I have been so sadly out of touch. You know, we don't really grow older, we just grow more out of touch..... and it's a tendency we really have to fight so we DON'T GET OLD! I was hoping this orb remix would be something really sort of out there on the fringe.... something new to experience and to grow from. The Orb remix (When! Recordings WENX 1022) is a 14:49 minute (total) 2-track cd single with the Orb remix (8:30) followed by the original TD track (6:17). It comes in a gate-fold cardboard pack & no jewel case . I also picked up the 12' vinyl for this, it is a clear-vinyl disc with greenish-gold glitter. I'd have to say that I was a little disappointed in the Orb remix, partly cause it was pretty wimpy in its own right (no where even close to the 'real' thing baby--and I don't just mean the TD track); it really didn't touch me at all. I'm not saying it's real bad, it just didn't do anything for me except make me want to yank it out of the cd player! I defintely won't be buying any other Orb stuff though). It felt cold and blah-- but I suppose I felt this way partly because of what else I 'discovered' on the way home. The remix starts with this really insipid REM-esque voice over 'And now, once again, it's time to play `Ascendence!' For those of you at home who haven't watched before here's how we play: a group of people sit in a circle, each in turn says a word until a complete sentence is formed. Are you ready panel? Let's demonstrate!' and then the music starts with a few interspersed words in some foreign languages (maybe japanese is one?)..... then around the 5 minute mark we hear the same insipid REM-esque voice over once again.... then the music just drones on until the last 30-45 seconds when we get this Shulze-like time-wind sample (the blowing wind stuff...) (later note: in fairness, I listened to this again several times before deciding it was still bunk; I doubt I will play it much, if at all. Rating: 1AS. If they didn't tell me this was a 'remix' of a TD track, I never would have had any idea! This is obviously just a commerical ploy to try and seduce TD's fans to buy Orb stuff; well it didn't work on me. snnoooorrrrttt ...yeecccchhh ... spit-tooey ... splat!) On the way home, I stopped at a used-music store and, after checking thru the 'T' section, I noticed that I couldn't seem to leave, there was some music playing that just kept drawing me into it; it was totally intense. I had never experienced anything like this before, it just completely blew my mind (I think it affected me so deeply that it really was a life-changing experience)... On asking (I had to shout over the music), I was told it was by Decoder (who?!). It is sadly not available on CD, just 12' (BTW it is Decoder, Twister/Quake, Tech Itch Recordings, Bristol, 1997, TI 013; fax +44 (0)117 929 7337). Its 'genre' is 'Drum & Bass'?! Seems self explanatory, no? I've really gotten out of touch! Well I left the shop disappointed this wasn't on CD and got about a half-block away but just could not get this stuff out of my head! So I went back and bought the vinyl (and I don't even have a working turntable!) I asked about similar stuff on CD and they introduced me to this compilation CD 'Grooverider presents the Prototype Years' (Sony 1997); Wow! this is really awesome stuff and I will look for more. This is what I had been looking for without even knowing it. This was the same feeling I got when I heard TD for the first time: pure raw power that reaches out and grabs you--and this is what the experience of music is about, **at least to me**. (This is what I *imagined* the Orb might be like!) Well, maybe I am naive and everyone else on this list knows about this stuff but I just had to mention it (I guess it's been around for about 10 years or so but mostly underground)... This stuff is hard to describe, it's kind of like ?? oh Hell, maybe if you slowed down Transfer Station Blue a bit, tripled the Bass power and tossed in some of the darker side of Bauhaus or maybe even some Stockhausen (image the world of Blade Runner) and then took some rap and stripped out of it the words, the bullshit MTV gold-jewelry, penis-strutting, get-your-tits-and-ass-out-of-the-camera ornamentation, and supposed 'social relevance,' and got down to its essence, you just might be close. (Maybe there are down-loadable samples at www.grooverider.com?) It is deep and dark, yet powerful and entrancing (and it begs a sub-woofer). It is a lot of bass and drum with some electronic effects and occasional voice... fav artists were John B, Dillinja, & Boymerang; Grooverider's stuff wasn't bad either (but Decoder rules!) To quote the liner notes 'Some people will tell you their inspiration springs from constellations of stars. Grooverider will smile and talk of the power of the good ol' weed.' (Not necessarily an endorsement but read it however you want, at least you know where he is coming from.) Even the cover art is too intense to look at for very long! Now, before you all rush out to buy this on my recommendation (yeah, right!). Please note that if you are among those for whom Haslinger's Future Primitive is too 'raw' or has too much 'edge'--then STAY AWAY from this stuff or you will be lynching me!!! In fact, I can see how Haslinger might have been influenced by this stuff in some way. Life/'art' is just this massive intertextual web of connections and influences and rip-offs and it is rewarding to finally penetrate through the derivations and popularizations and get to a Source. This is how I feel about a lot of TD's music--it is a Source (but then, of course, for some of TD's GC, Haslinger is the Source.... but then for him This Drum & Bass was **the real stuff baby** and it made the Orb track (which I put on first after coming straight home) seem like it was done by teenage amateurs! It's like they were tossing off on TD's music (disrespect intended). It is sort like the first time you see a 'playboy' and you think that it is so, well, purient; then you see some real hard-core porn and you think 'playboy' ain't much different from National Geographic, it just completely loses its e/affective power. That is about the only way to describe the difference between this stuff: after hearing this Drum & Bass, listening to the Orb was like looking playboy, it was a joke; this Decoder stuff was the triple-x hard core thing you just don't find everywhere; but once you do, nothing is ever the same again. Come on Jerome, if you want to do club mixes, let's go find a club where they play this stuff and see what it does to your mind & music! Excuse the analogy to pornography here but I think it is the most accurate. After all, like music, porn is supposed to affect and effect us at the conscious, sub-conscious, emotional, sub-emotional, and instinctual levels. It is supposed to appeal (at one level) to the brain stem and to the 'deeper' driving forces of biological reality (for better or for worse). In some ways, that is what I like about TD's best stuff (when it's there), it just seems to bypass the conscious and the emotional and go straight for the core; I like music that functions like a driving force of nature, like gravitation and sunlight and oxygen. Isn't this unconscious aspect ultimately what makes music so appealing? Just why in the hell does music appeal to us so much? It's not just for 'entertainment' value that we spend billions of $$ on music every year. Even animals sometimes seem deeply affected by it. It probably has always been an important driving, unifying force in human culture--even when it was no more than rhythm and voice. Through music--to a degree unlike any 'art' I think--we are empowered to transcend the reality into which our consciousness dooms us (the fall from grace/eden), to transcend this corporeal reality for some reality that is far more powerful and tangible, something that unifies us to the very forces of nature itself. Through music, we seem to able to overcome the existential/solipist paradox, and to share the experience of the existence of someone else. Through music we come to realize we are not alone in our existence. But here I am waxing philosophical again so I better go before you hit the delete key. So, I suppose you're going to toss me off this list now? lars (blame it on London!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2377 Re: orb mandarin cream and other discoveries Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 4/5/1997 5 KB 2414 Re: orb mandarin cream and other discoveries Sean Montgomery Mon 4/7/1997 2 KB 2431 Re: orb mandarin cream and other discoveries Vic Rek Mon 4/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 1:59 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #881: another complaint Really-From: spride@c... (Simon Pride) In-Reply-To: <199704050802.CAA00933@c...> > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 04:11:20 -0500 > Subject: two complaints > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Hijacking Lars's thread... Three: People are posting here with mail clients such as Microsoft Mail (or Exchange or Windows Messaging) which are sending the contents of their posting first as plain ASCII, which is good, and then as HTML, which produces huge, ugly messages full of irrelevant font and paragraph information. Please configure your mailer to send plain ASCII only to the list, as it's progressed from something that can be ignored through irritating to somrhting which is adversely affecting my blood pressure! :-) Please feel free to mail me if you need help sorting this out, or read the pages at http://www.halcyon.com/goetter/widgets.htm You might want to take a look at Ben Goetter's 'Internet Idioms' for Exchange at that site - it's a collection of .DLLs, one of which can spot when Exchange decides to post rich text to an Internet address and squelch it :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 1:59 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #881: Encore/Hobo March Really-From: spride@c... (Simon Pride) In-Reply-To: <199704050802.CAA00933@c...> > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >I stumbled upon an encore/hobo march single today; > while > I have known about this, I have no idea what part of encore it is or > what > hobo march sounds like. I probably won't ever know since I don't have a > turntable. -- so could somebody please tell me which part of encore the > single side is from and what hobo march is like? > thanks Side One is the first melodic section of 'Monolight' - the one with the arpeggios and Moog solo over the top, at about 5 minutes in. Side Two is Froese's 'Ode to Granny A' from 'Ages', verbatim and uncut if memory serves. I too had this single (on Virgin, 7') but sold it in a misguided period of political correctitiude and musical 'credibility'. :-( From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 7:17 pm Subject: Re: exit tour CDs (?) Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... > > [Jul 81] EXIT > Free 'Concert for Nuclear Disarmament and World Peace', > Platz der Republik, Berlin [29 Aug 81] OFFICIAL BOOTLEG TAPE > British Tour 81 > New Theatre, Oxford [15 Oct 81] > Guildhall, Portsmouth [16 Oct 81] > The Dome, Brighton [17 Oct 81] > Hammersmith Odeon, London [20 Oct 81] > City Hall, Sheffield [22 Oct 81] > City Hall, Manchester [24 Oct 81] > City Hall, Newcastle [25 Oct 81] SPACE & SPHERES, DREAMTIME > Usher Hall, Edinburgh [26 Oct 81] > Apollo, Glasgow [27 Oct 81] > Guildhall, Preston [28 Oct 81] > Royal Court, Liverpool [29 Oct 81] > Gemeindezentrum Lukaskirche, Gelsenkirchen [11 Nov 81] > 'Klassik Rock Nacht' Cirkus-Krone-Bau, Munich [9 Dec 81] > ---- 82 ---- > [Jan 82] WHITE EAGLE > You missed Birmingham Odeon 21st October 1981 It happened, I was there (my first TD gig) I do remember them playing some music from Force Majeure ( In the second Half) Gaza From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 10:31 am Subject: once again Really-From: 'Martynas Storasta' Here we are, today... to tell the truth I did liked all of Yours opinions on these two mentioned compilations (Story Of, Private Music Of TD), but... I still need some more information about the other compilations which are really acceptable and worth any audition. What about these? Know some? Please, tell me on- or off-list. Thanx, Martynas, who can't understand, how is it possible to have ALL the TD albums, but also considerably positive on their compiled works...:-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 8:48 pm Subject: Re: d:zoning Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: Tony Marshall > > > > Yep. Track one is great - the rest are crap. > > Well thank you Tony for that definitive opinion. But me and Phil Vendy > still like Zoning. -- Mark > I'm with Tony on this one (maybe not crap but not far off) Gaza From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 11:55 am Subject: Re: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3 Really-From: John Christian ><< 19:56+17:53+19:34+14:35=71:58 >> > > Amazing! Why, I wonder. It really seems silly to cut like this >for practically no reason. Don't forget this is quite old. Wasn't the original maximum CD length 72 minutes? I think the longer ones came later when people discovered that by stretching the spec you could produce longer disks that played on *most* players. I think some older ones have problems. John -- John Christian - mail:john@p... AirSculpture Try out WebMaze at From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: TD tour ticket info Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) Moderne Welt in Stuttgart has returned all their remaining tickets to the local concert halls, so you can no longer order tickets from them. You'll have to contact the local concert agencies directly. Also, their 'Goblins Club'-tourposters are sold out. No whining, I've told you early enough where to get them. The two-piece ones with just the writing (TD and the concert dates) are still in stock. And the guy in charge was at least thinking of re-ordering the 'Goblins Club' ones ;-) -klaus- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2378 This LIST is repsonsible! Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 4/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Klaus Beschorner Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >I wonder what happened to Klaus Beschorner and his regular boots >updates. His discography has not been updated since '94. I miss his >reports. Thanks ;-) I have a job that requires much travelling across Europe, have a far-away girlfriend and have moved a few months ago. The new appartment needed a lot of work on it. All the new stuff sits, unheard and un-cataloged, in a big box. But one rainy weekend I'll jump onto it and get everything up to date. Anyway, my last 'Update' on this list was sent out in Oct. 1996, and that's the revision date of my collected file as well... -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 4:04 pm Subject: re: 11/28/76 setlist Really-From: Bill Lantz Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >>Thanks for the info. My tape was labeled 11/28/76 Paris but it's impossible >>to tell which would be the right date. The band intro is clipped and the >>only talking is by the band (Edgar?) in English. I'll likely change the date >>to 11/22/76 to match the location given to me. Out of curiousity, what is >>your source for that gig info? >Bill, >If you hear one of the band members talking (Peter Baumann most likely) at the start of Side B of your tape (around 45 minutes into it, assuming it's a 90-minute tape), then that concert is indeed Paris Palais du Sport 11/22/76. It's one of the few concert tapes in which you hear one of the band members speak in the middle of the show. >He mentions that the band would like to play a song based on some French composer's work, right? John, Thank you for your response. This is indeed the tape. Perhaps this is where I got the notion that they were performing 'songs' over all improvs that evening. By the way, what is that song?? Bill From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 4:17 pm Subject: RE : setlist for 11/28/76 Really-From: Bill Lantz I wrote: >> Did the members of Tdream at that time hit the stage with no idea what >> they were going to do? I'd be interested to know if that is the case. Mark Filipak wrote: >Come on Bill. You know what improv means, don't you? I've heard quite of bit of this early stuff now. You get hints of future themes here and there, but only hints -- a particularly familiar sounding sequence every now and then only lasting for 10 or 20 seconds, but nothing you could build a track listing around. -- Mark I haven't heard alot of this live early stuff so I really had nothing to base that assumption on - only the thought that it was nothing I had heard before for the most part - a feeling I got everytime I bought a new TD album years ago. John Burek reminded me that Peter introduces a song mid-way through the set so I was probably swayed by that, thinking they knew what they wanted to do over merely improvising. In the pursuit of many other live tapes of other bands, notably Frank Zappa, there are many occurances of non-released perfomances of songs that may be construed as improv, many one time only, that were not known to the casual enthusiast, only the hardcore. I admit to not being hardcore as far as pursuing live TD recordings and figured maybe the material was know to a select few. This was the intention of my original request. Bill From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 2:14 am Subject: Undulation Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... Hi all Wonder if anyone can help me I was looking through my record collection and came across a CD I had almost forgotten about. It is by TD it is called Soundtrack for fantasy Live in Detroit USA 'undulation' Its obviously a bootleg on Cash records, supposedly a limited edition of 500. My question is anyone any Idea which year, I guess my self it would be around 1980. Most of the music is new to me but there was a bit of force majeure at the end (not unlike the exit tour 81, see my earlier mail). hope someone can help 'Name that year' cheers Gaza Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2383 Re: Undulation Robert Grabowsky Sun 4/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 4, 1997 9:33 pm Subject: Re: KS: The Works Really-From: 'Simon W. Hood' In article <199704041707.LAA04787@c...>, tadream mailing list writes >Does anyone have a copy of the Klaus Schulze book _The Works_ you'd be >willing to consult for me? I need to check some information. Thanks. > >Scott I have one that is correct up to 1991 (the time of Klaus's Royal Festival Hall, London concert). If there's anything I can look up for you, just go ahead... -- Simon W. Hood From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 6:48 pm Subject: Spamming Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, I was spammed (twice) yesterday by our friend 'rocket3@i...'. This was my response. You might like to try it yourself next time someone sends junk to you. ]Dear Rocket3, >Hello! I wanted to share something very important. >Thanks for reading and choosing life. Hope to hear from you soon! My response follows : ]Thank you for your letters which I received today. ] ]I hope that you found our internet information system and the mail facility ]of value to your operation. We aim to provide a quality service to all of ]our customers and welcome any feedback you may wish to pass on. ] ]Unfortunately, this is not a free service. Your first message was processed ]by our operators without charge. Your second letter has incurred our ]standard processing change of $50. Please make your cheque payable to ]'David J. Hughes' and mail it to the following address : ] ] My home address... : ] ]Yours Faithfully, ] ]David J. Hughes This solution came from a program on Channel 4 in the UK in which an American dude was being plagued by telesales people who were after him for double glazing, burgular alarms, free trials etc etc etc. Sometimes the same company would ring back week after week until he found this solution. You just let the telesales person know that they are calling you on a private line and that they are therefore using your facilities to carry out their business. Hence, you are entitled to charge a reasonable fee for the use of your facilities. The first call is free, the second costs them twenty bucks. It's remarkable how quickly you disappear off their records once they realise that it's gonna cost them money to call you! I tried to respond to our friend Rocket3 but, unfortunately, their administrator bounced the mail saying that their mailbox was full. I'll wait a few days and send it again. TD Content : I just bought 'Green Desert' and it's stewing nicely. Feels different from other TD stuff of the same epoch. It's supposed to have been an unreleased studio album from around '73 but it sounds too clean. It says remixed and remastered in 1984 but even that doesn't seem right. Have I got something wrong here? Cheers David T-Bass : Electronic Music email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2379 Re: Spamming feldon@n... Sat 4/5/1997 2 KB 2388 Re: Spamming Mark Filipak Sun 4/6/1997 2 KB 2755 Re: Spamming David J. Hughes Thu 4/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 6:48 pm Subject: Waaa...! I missed this! Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Here's a bit of chronology between 'Exit' and 'White Eagle'. If TD had >an Exit tour, I guess it would have been the 81 UK tour. > > [Jul 81] EXIT > City Hall, Newcastle [25 Oct 81] SPACE & SPHERES, DREAMTIME SH*T! With a capital S! I missed this. How can I get a copy of this album? Anybody keen to put this on CDR for me? I've not seen this commercially available. What's the quality like? Cheers David T-Bass : Electronic Music email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 8:18 pm Subject: POLAND Single CD (It's Not Relativity) Really-From: MPOORT@a... Hej! Just to address the question again, as some of you were wondering: The POLAND single CD that I found was not on Relativity. It is the Jive-Electro release, three tracks (no 'hidden' track), that looks almost exactly like my 2 CD set by Relativity (Froese, Schmoelling, Franke on the cover with inverse features (like looking at a photo negative), etc.). It contains trimmed versions of Poland, Horizon, and Barbakane (a few seconds from the first two, but around four minutes of Barbakane). Single CD Jive-Electro release (8.26099 ZP) 2 CD Relativity release (88561-8045-2) MPoort Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2380 Re: POLAND Single CD (It's Not Relativity) feldon@n... Sat 4/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 1:28 pm Subject: Re: orb mandarin cream and other discoveries Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 04:16 AM 4/5/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > >Dreamers >Got the Orb's Mandarin Cream Remix today; but what a totally weird, >life-altering day it was--a day I was exposed to three totally different >degrees of music. > >***** (WARNING: OPINION ZONE) ***** [.......snip........] Lars, First, let me congratulate you on your ability to describe music. Until now it was my opinion that talking about music is like dancing to architecture. You set me straight. I have a very vivid understanding of what Decoder and 'Drum & Bass' must sound like. I am on a quest. Thanks. Secondly, the readership of this list seems to be divided along several lines of preferences. In TD terms, one division line is what I would call the Jan Hammer crowd (sweet, nice, melodic music) and the Haslinger crowd (punched, driving, heart-thumping music). I said *PREFERNCES*, meaning that we are likely to listen to most anything by TD. Although, personally, I have only a minor interest in anything they have done since '86. OK, OK....'After the Call' from Miracle Mile does send me places. A second division separate the 'purists' who want to talk about nothing but TD from those of us who want to listen to good music, regardless of provenance. The latter group, still VERY MUCH a TD-fan group, appreciates hearing about new finds and new discoveries. I feel particularly fortunate to belong to this list , because it has enabled me to understand TD, collect all their albums, and 'meet' all of you. I also just finished listening to Network 388 (THANKS, Jeff!), after having experienced, in the last few weeks the music of Paul Nagle, David Hughes, Ash Prema, and John Christian. THANKS FELLOWS! You all have brought a lot of pleasure and beauty into me ears and heart. So, if YOU get thrown off the list, Lars :-), I am gone too, because 'Goblins' Club' doesn't do a thing for me, while Jeff Bergman's 'Manhattan' does. So there. With reference to your mind/ear-altering experience, I am sure we all have had similar feelings. Having arrived in the States only a few years before, I remember the precise day and time when I first heard Pink Floyd's 'Echoes.' My life hasn't been the same since. Mind you, until then I thought that Domenico Modugno was hot. A similar mind-bending experience in 1974 ('Phaedra'!) has brought me closer to where I am today (musically, for sure, but maybe other ways too). In other words, Lars, I truly appreciate your post. I can only hope that others will follow suit, although I doubt it we can do it with as much verve and color as you have. Thanks, man. Andrew P.S. I can hardly wait to hear/experience the result of Francisco's intricate (and, to me, still mysterious) endeavors. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 1:35 pm Subject: This LIST is repsonsible! Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I hold the readership of this list solely responsible for my total inability to be able to sport a TD T-shirt or display a poster in my study. What, am I supposed to come to Berlin and rip off a poster off a wall to get one? Sheeeeesh.... Brokenheartedly, Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 9:26 pm Subject: Re: Spamming Really-From: feldon@n... At 07:48 PM 4/5/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) >TD Content : I just bought 'Green Desert' and it's stewing nicely. Feels >different from other TD stuff of the same epoch. It's supposed to have been >an unreleased studio album from around '73 but it sounds too clean. It says >remixed and remastered in 1984 but even that doesn't seem right. Have I got >something wrong here? No, the booklet is correct. It was recorded in 1973 by Edgar Froese and Chris Franke and then slightly tangentized in 1984. The recording is clean because it was digitally remastered using Edgar's DQC system. I expect that the next re-release of Phaedra should sound just as clean. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 9:28 pm Subject: Re: POLAND Single CD (It's Not Relativity) Really-From: feldon@n... At 03:18 PM 4/5/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: MPOORT@a... > > >Hej! Just to address the question again, as some of you were wondering: > >The POLAND single CD that I found...looks almost >exactly like my 2 CD set by Relativity (Froese, Schmoelling, Franke on the >cover with inverse features (like looking at a photo negative), etc.). It >contains trimmed versions of Poland, Horizon, and Barbakane (a few seconds >from the first two, but around four minutes of Barbakane). They put Horizon instead of Tangent? Egads! Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 9:33 pm Subject: 70/80 Das MADCHEN Really-From: Michael A Jean www.vinyltap.co.uk I don't who who these people are but they reportedly have the 70/80 Box, and the Das Madchen 12', 7' and DAYDREAM 7' for sale... Mike J Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2474 Re: 70/80 Das MADCHEN Mark Edmonds Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2480 Re: 70/80 Das MADCHEN Vic Rek Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2504 Re: 70/80 Das MADCHEN gary.cresswell1@v... Tue 4/8/1997 3 KB 2516 Re: 70/80 Das MADCHEN Plumer, Scott Wed 4/9/1997 3 KB 2563 Re: 70/80 Das MADCHEN Mark Filipak Fri 4/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 12:41 am Subject: TD Fans: Old and New Really-From: Greg Heil Regarding the 'preferences' of the various styles of music. Many of us T-Dream fans have only recently (past couple years) found this group, and usually the first album we choose to hear of T-Dream was one we liked. My first album of TD was the 'Private music of Tangerine Dream' (late 80's compiliation) and because I liked that 'Haslinger' style, I bought into T-Dream. If I were to try and listen to maybe 'Tangram' (which I got just yesterday and is totally awesome) I would have returned it because a certain level of understanding had not took place with the origin, style, level of technology of the time, and sheer patience to listen to the entire album. One other 'truth' I have found is that us recent T-dream fans find that we are slowly creeping into the past to buy older TD albums as we develop tastes and interests for the older stuff--we all will eventually make it to 'Zeit' and 'Electronic Meditation' someday.. It's hard to appreciate the older albums like those who have been fans since the begginng. The thrill of electronic music is all but gone today, and it's not TD's fault. The sheer abusal of the sounds and instruments for 'quick' and 'simple' melodies over the same old bass thumps has turned the mass musically interested crowd away from electronics. Greg.. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2392 Re: TD Fans: Old and New gary.cresswell1@v... Sun 4/6/1997 2 KB 2404 Re: TD Fans: Old and New Rich Maggio Mon 4/7/1997 4 KB 2410 Re: TD Fans: Old and New Greg Heil Mon 4/7/1997 4 KB 2416 Re: TD Fans: Old and New Cloudless3@a... Mon 4/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 1:18 am Subject: Re: Undulation Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Gaza, Undulation was not recorded in Detroit.It was recorded in England by a friend of the owner of Minette Music.The guy in England lent it to a friend and he put it on CD and didn't share the wealth with him.If I can find out the year I will let you know. Robert At 01:14 AM 4/6/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... > > >Hi all >Wonder if anyone can help me >I was looking through my record collection and came across a CD I had >almost forgotten about. It is by TD it is called Soundtrack for fantasy >Live in Detroit USA 'undulation' Its obviously a bootleg on >Cash records, supposedly a limited edition of 500. My question is anyone >any Idea which year, I guess my self it would be around 1980. Most of the >music is new to me but there was a bit of force majeure at the end (not >unlike the exit tour 81, see my earlier mail). >hope someone can help 'Name that year' >cheers >Gaza > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 1:35 am Subject: Bootlegs for trade Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Hi all, I have available for trade the following CD's: Tangerine Dream Ardem-O (agronautica americana part 2) recorded live in USA 1988 Silver Rarities 30 2copies Tangerine Dream Collected Endings (argonautica americana part 3) recorded live in USA 1976 and 1988 Silver Rarities 31 I am looking for other bootleg concerts or other rare items. The following is what I have so if it is not here I want it: Me-Rad Ardem-O Collected Endings Antarktis I & II Patrolling Space Borders In the Garden of the Pharoh's/Bicycle Race Mystery Tracks I Undulation If anyone is interested please E-mail me off list at HGHLNDR@w... Thanks, Robert From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 1:50 am Subject: R&F Productions and Compact Discs Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Hello All, Randy and Fred wanted me to pass this on to you.They said: 'Don't let our jobs stop you from sending us whatever it is you want put on CD.(i.e. questionable lyrics etc.) We will put anything on CD for you.' They didn't want you to think Big Brother or the Thought Police were involved. Robert Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2415 Re: R&F Productions and Compact Discs Plumer, Scott Mon 4/7/1997 3 KB 2419 Re: R&F Productions and Compact Discs feldon@n... Mon 4/7/1997 2 KB 2423 Re: R&F Productions and Compact Discs globetec@m... Mon 4/7/1997 2 KB 2425 Re: R&F Productions and Compact Discs Plumer, Scott Mon 4/7/1997 4 KB 2427 Re: R&F Productions and Compact Discs Plumer, Scott Mon 4/7/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 5, 1997 9:15 pm Subject: Re: A Couple Questions.. Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Greg Heil > > [Zeit] > > ... I mean, how can a compony really get away with trimming as much > as three to four minutes of music and release it as if it were > final say for that album? This is at the same time easy to answer and hard to answer. The holder of the rights to a piece of music can do anything they want to with it I suppose. An early fade on a piece like Zeit would be very hard to detect if you weren't very familiar with it. I guess the company figures this doesn't describe very many people. Morally, I don't think they really care, but who's to say Zeit wasn't originally 40 minutes long and got cut down by the band to fit on an LP side? This is the part that's hard to answer. Only the band would know. > ... And one last thing: In the Virgin CD releases of T-Dream, the CD > mastering was done by a group called Chop-Em Out in London.. what comes > to mind when you hear a title like that? Oh pretty please be careful > with those sounds.. yeah..yeah I know it isn't grunge.. no.. please > please.. just be careful.. and patience.. Hey!! don't throw discs > around will ya! This ain't an assembly line kinda deal here eh! > Er.. you are Chopping them Out.. oops! Heee, heee, heeeee.... Actually, Simon at Chop-Em Out seems to have done a great job on the TAND series of albums I have -- especially Tangram. I get a secure feeling when someone has actually put their name on their work. In this case, my feeling seems to have been confirmed. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Undulation info Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >>Hi all >>Wonder if anyone can help me >>I was looking through my record collection and came across a CD I had >>almost forgotten about. It is by TD it is called Soundtrack for fantasy >>Live in Detroit USA 'undulation' Its obviously a bootleg on >>Cash records, supposedly a limited edition of 500. My question is anyone >>any Idea which year, I guess my self it would be around 1980. Most of the >>music is new to me but there was a bit of force majeure at the end (not >>unlike the exit tour 81, see my earlier mail). >>hope someone can help 'Name that year' >>cheers >>Gaza Hello Gaza, That CD is from the TD concert at Preston Guild Hall (UK), 5th of November 1980. It indeed says Live in Detroit, but that's wrong. TD only played in Detroit in 1977, 1988, and 1992, and that music is definitely from the TD European tour of 1980. It's the first 45 minutes of the concert (full first set), and it was originally released as a b**t LP before the CD appeared. Really none of the music has official titles except for the Force Majeure bit near the end. --John Burek From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 2:15 am Subject: Re: Spamming Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > -thanks for the tip on spammers- > > TD Content : I just bought 'Green Desert' and it's stewing nicely. > Feels different from other TD stuff of the same epoch. It's supposed > to have been an unreleased studio album from around '73 but it sounds > too clean. It says remixed and remastered in 1984 but even that > doesn't seem right. Have I got something wrong here? No, you have it right. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 5:42 am Subject: D: ()()() 'Zoning' ()()() Really-From: PNaunton@a... 5-April-1997 Tangerine Dream 'Zoning' Published - 1996 Purchased - 1996 Format - CD Label - Repertoire Catalog - REP 4595-WY Personnel - Froese & Froese There is a good amount of this recording that I like. Sure it does seem more like an Edgar solo effort, but it isn't, and even if it was, it's not a bad solo effort. There are occasional Edgar signatures; like the Wicked Witch of the West's Soldiers Marching Song -- 'OH-WEE-OH, WE-OHH-OH' -- which always strikes me as being a bit silly, but this is because it always pulls me out of context. Two of my favourite tracks on this release are 'Headhunter' & 'Unfit For Consumption'. The Sax part on 'Headhunter' is dynamite. I don't know if it's a real sax or not, but it sounds real. 'Unfit For Consumption' is a very interesting juxtaposition of two common threads which I've never heard together before. It relays an odd kind of Spooky Urgency. There is quite a variety of tunes and sounds here, maybe not all stellar compositions but none-the-less competent and engaging for the most part. That last track, though. It sounds like it was extracted from 'Dream Mixes'. There is alot of Jerome in this 'Missing Link' cut. Alot! I like it though. I paid alot for this Disc when it first came out. Primarily because of the comments from people on this list. Pro & Con. It still has the $21.97 sticker on the spine. $21.97 is more than I would pay for it now, but it is still worth a premium price, in my opinion. I'm not sorry I paid this much. Phil Naunton - See ya later. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 7:39 am Subject: About Green Drsert and Phaedra Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: feldon@n... > > Really from dhughes@g... [About Green Desert] > > It says > >remixed and remastered in 1984 but even that doesn't seem right. Have I got > >something wrong here? > > No, the booklet is correct. It was recorded in 1973 by Edgar Froese and > Chris Franke and then slightly tangentized in 1984. The recording is clean > because it was digitally remastered using Edgar's DQC system. I expect that > the next re-release of Phaedra should sound just as clean. Look for Phaedra, 'definitive edition' ( Vigin, SBM Editon). It sounds very clean (I likie it very much),and don't expect another release form other source because the rigths of this work belongs to Virgin. > Morgan > feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2405 Re: About Green Drsert and Phaedra Rich Maggio Mon 4/7/1997 3 KB 2408 Re: About Green Drsert and Phaedra TangerineC@a... Mon 4/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 8:01 am Subject: Re: HEAR DAS MADCHEN Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > In less than five minutes from now we can download the audio file of DAS > MADCHEN from the TD webpage, but only for the next 15 > minutes...unfirtunately, I don't have this capability...if anyne does, let > me know if you were successful YOu'll need Real audio ( they no longer work with streamworks). Quality in 28.8 modem is rather poor. I don't know how it sounds on a 56,6 K digital line. Somebody tried in one of these ? --- Fancisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 5:39 pm Subject: Re: TD Fans: Old and New Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Greg Heil > --we all will eventually make it to 'Zeit' and 'Electronic > Meditation' someday.. > > Greg.. Have been in to TD since about 1979 and I still havn't made it to Electronic Meditation. If it had been the first TD album I bought it would have been the last. Gaza. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 6:14 pm Subject: Thanks Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... To every one who sent information regarding 'Undulation' Thanks. The wealth and accuracy of knowledge form this list never ceases to amaze me. Cheers Gaza Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3901 Thanks Michael A Jean Thu 5/15/1997 2 KB 5039 Thanks Tom Duncan Mon 6/16/1997 2 KB 5057 Re: Thanks Mark Filipak Mon 6/16/1997 3 KB 9490 Thanks Lawrysimm Thu 12/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 1:14 pm Subject: talk during concert Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > >Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> > >If you hear one of the band members talking (Peter Baumann most likely) at the >start of Side B of your tape (around 45 minutes into it, assuming it's a > where else can you hear them talking to the audience, and what do they have to say? In Aachen, Germany, Jan. 21st 1981, Edgar grapped a microphone after the first set just to remind us that we could buy T shirts outside (as documented on the fantape, beside my and my cousin's chat). Were they running out of money? Armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2769 Re: talk during concert John Burek Fri 4/18/1997 3 KB 2831 Re: talk during concert SYensen@a... Sat 4/19/1997 2 KB 2899 Re: talk during concert John Burek Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB 2901 Re: talk during concert Plumer, Scott Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 3:57 pm Subject: Phaedra - Digital Masters Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' -snip- > Look for Phaedra, 'definitive edition' ( Vigin, SBM Editon). It sounds > very clean (I likie it very much),and don't expect another release form > other source because the rigths of this work belongs to Virgin. [1995] Virgin (DE) 610 378 (digital master?) [1995] Virgin (GB) TAND 5 (digital master) Virgin's American subsidiary has been releasing the TANDs in the US under new catalog numbers, but I haven't seen one of 'Phaedra' yet. To our German friends: Virgin, 610 378 also came out in 1995. Is it also a digital remaster? Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 5:58 pm Subject: The Hills Are Alive With the Sound of ... TD ? Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi fellow Dreamers. I got three albums recently that will definitely appeal to your dreamier side, provided you aren't completely jaded. In order, from good to great, they are: Various Artists, 'Tangerine Ambience' Global Communications, '76 14' Free System Projekt, 'Impulse' _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Various Artists, 'Tangerine Ambience: A Tribute to Tangerine Dream' - I read how some folk bashed the hell out of this album a few weeks ago in mute appreciation because I hadn't heard it. But recently I got the opportunity to acquire it for $3 -- I said to myself, 'What the heck.' Given what had been written, I expected the auditory equivalent of processed cheese food. Boy, was I surprised with what came out of the speakers! Various Artists, 'Tangerine Ambience' [74:30] Hypnotic, CLP 9723-2 1- Invisible Lights, performed by Inter-Mase [7:50] 2- Phaedra, performed by Surface 10 [9:08] 3- Force Majeure, performed by Rey Project [10:10] 4- Mojave Plan, performed by Supersonic Project [10:16] 5- Exit, performed by Dean De Benedictis [8:58] 6- Dolphin Dance, performed by Rey Project [5:33] 7- Bent Cold Sidewalk, performed by Giez and Webb [6:27] 8- Horizon, written by Steve Schroyder and Gene Gross, performed by Augenstern [3:08] 9- Solar Cells, written and performed by Conrad Schnitzler [12:56] Tracks 1 to 7 are covers of TD classics we should all be very familiar with. Dispite the name, track 8 is not from 'Poland' but is an original composition by Steve Schroyder and Gene Gross. And track 9 is written and performed by Connie Schnitzler. All of the seven covers are very recognizable and extremely well done using modern instruments and displaying real sensitivity on the part of the performers. But to my ears, Dean De Benedictis is the star of this show. The best track is 'Phaedra' which Dean does under his pseudonym of Surface 10. It really cooks and (gasp!) sounds fresher and punchier than any treatment I've heard TD give it. Of all the covers, this one is the best integration of old and new and by itself was worth my $3 price of admission. Lots of textures and nice Baumann-esque touches overlaid with subtle improvisations that fit right in. 5AS. On track 3, De Benedictis reappears to do an even more somber and heavy version of 'Exit' than the original. It's exquisitely done and his slightly slower interpretation works very well. Dean's a real class act and his deft touch with tasty FX adds richness to what can otherwise be a pretty relentless theme. 4AS. 'Invisible Lights' is quite true to the original and may contain some samples from the original which were then overdubbed with some nicely done sweeps and a terrific, syncopated percussion track -- very subdued techno-ambient -- turning this into a real cruiser. Purists will hate it. 4AS. 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' is given a very interesting treatment by Giez and Webb, unknown people to me. The vocals are clean and pleasant and the instrumentation and sampled sounds are quite good. An entertaining track. 3AS. The rest of the covers sound like they were quickly done just to have something to fill the project out. I have to confess that 'Force Majeure' is not one of my favs and the noodling that Rey Project adds doesn't help. It's a yeoman rendition but a little too Alan Parsons-ish for my tastes. 2AS. Rey Project reappears on track 6 to cover 'Dolphin Dance' but it lacks spirit, sounding washed out and lifeless. 2AS. Supersonic Project's cover of 'Mojave Plan' is a little thin and Casio sounding. Stick with the original. 2AS. 'Horizon' on track 8 is a short tune sounding very TD-ish but as I noted, is not a cover of anything from 'Poland' that I could discern. Too short to really get into but good while it lasts. 3AS. Connie Schnitzler's 'Solar Cells' is typical Schnitzler I guess. I've never really cared for his work so I'm leaving this unrated, but CS fans will probably like it. I doesn't really go anywhere, but none of his stuff that I've heard does. It's a series of demi-themes with tons of effects, spacey for the most part, and ends with a long texture canvas full of slow filter sweeps. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Global Communications, '76 14' - This album has been praised to the skys on the Ambient Music List. So what's the TD content? You'll see. Global Communications, '76 14' [76:14] Dedicated, DEDCD 014 1- 4 02 [4:02] 2- 14 31 [14:31] 3- 9 25 [9:25] 4- 9 39 [9:39] 5- 7 39 [7:39] 6- 0 54 [0:54] 7- 8 07 [8:07] 8- 5 23 [5:23] 9- 4 14 [4:14] 10- 12 18 [12:18] In the insert, Tom Middleton and Mark Pritchard explain the numerical track titles -- no, not the obvious -- they explain why they didn't give the tracks names. Seems they didn't want to 'bias the listener by pre-defining images, places and feelings.' Good thing too, because otherwise, tracks 7 and 8, which really form one continuous tune, would have conjured up images of Tom Cruise & Rebecca De Mornay before even hearing them. You guessed it, these two tracks are a 13-1/2 minute cover of 'Love on a Real Train' and they're excellent. I guess that's TD content enough. The rest of the album is excellent too -- full of very smooth dream cruisers (no pun intended). I resisted getting this album because I was too busy buying up TD. Now I'm so glad I got it while it's still around. Hint: your local store my have it filed under 'Dedicated' as that's the only thing on the outside that remotely looks like it might be an artist's name. Another thing about the album that might be familiar to some is a prominently displayed lobe, Ohr should I say 'ear,' right in the middle of the cover -- sheesh, can these guys ever drop a hint! Tom? Mark? Are you guys lurking? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Free System Projekt, 'Impulse' - Listening to this album will answer the (age old?) question: what would the lineup Froese, Baumann, Franke, and Schmoelling have sounded like? Free System Projekt, 'Impulse' [50:03] Free System Studio, CDR0001 1- The Closening [9:54] 2- The Nightmare [9:48] 3- The Chase [8:59] 4- The Opening [6:51] 5- The Relief [7:23] 6- The Closening Pt.2 [6:50] Every so often I find an album I like right away, but that continues to develop character and richness with repeated listenings. 'Impulse' is just such an album. Upon hearing many of the touchstone sounds of early Virgin TD: lean compositions incorporating a judicious balance of motoric sequencer rhythms, lush, round, mellow synth, and frugal use of chorus, I find myself rapidly settling into a Baumann reverie. Then, surprise! -- along comes some very Schmoelling-esque keyboards to freshen the mix. 'Impulse' has been stuck in my CD player for three days now, a record only Mark Shreeve can challenge. All the compositions start modestly, then develop complexity as they build up layer upon layer of interwoven textures atop a unifying theme, then smoothly unwind to a gentle, lingering finish. Though none of them are identifiable as TD tunes, the tracks nonetheless sound like TD without being TD. It's puzzling. There isn't a single phrase or melody that I can identify, but the music makes me feel all T-Dreamy. One of my complaints about solo-Franke is that he tends to push a melody a little too far. FSP on the other hand leaves me breathless with each tantilizing change, making a move just at the point when a pattern is barely emerging -- like watching a column of ants, then getting lost in the movements of individual ants only to get distracted by the patterns formed by the whole colony again, this music is simultaneously simple and complex. Each time I take a break to tend to some chore and then return to the music later I say to myself, 'Oh, this stuff is really kind of simple.' An hour later I'm laying on the floor again, amazed at how complex it really is. There's a subtlety to it that's very hard to pin down and I can't seem to get enough of this album. 4AS (but a high 4AS). As of this writing, 'Impulse' has not been commercially released. It _may_ be available from Marcel Engles , but you will have to ask him about that. I hope he doesn't get mad at me for posting this review, but I had to tell the list just how wonderful his album is. Your humble reviewer: Mark Filipak Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2398 Not TD: Book list - recommendations? Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 4/6/1997 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 9:08 pm Subject: Really-From: - subscribe tadream-digest Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2466 Martynas Storasta Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2706 Darren L Oswald Tue 4/15/1997 2 KB 2777 Tomohiro Goto Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 3007 Grant Middleton Thu 4/24/1997 3 KB 3073 ashok prema Fri 4/25/1997 5 KB 3101 Re: feldon@n... Sat 4/26/1997 5 KB 3262 oncica bogdan Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3265 Re: anunes@m... Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3671 Maurice G. Lafleur Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 6, 1997 4:40 pm Subject: Not TD: Book list - recommendations? Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I have not had any luck on finding any books on TD. They are all out of print with no reprinting planned. The following is a list of books on electronic music. Can anyone comment on any fo them as to their quality and desirability? Please. All replies will be appreciated. Even nasty ones. Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------- Electric Sound : The Past and Promise of Electronic Music; Joel Chadabe; Paperback; $33.33; Descriptive information available. An Introduction to the Creation of Electroacoustic Music; Samuel Pellman; Paperback; $50.95 21st Century Musical Instruments : Hardware and Software (I S A M Monographs, No 29); Jon Appleton; Paperback; $12.00 (Special Order) Electronic and Computer Music; Paperback (Special Order) Electronic and Computer Music; Peter Manning; Paperback; $24.00 (Back Ordered) Electronic and Computer Music : An Annotated Bibliography (Music Reference Collection, No. 56); Robert L. Wick; Hardcover; $79.50 (Special Order) Electronic Music : A Listener's Guide (De Capo Press Music Reprint Series); Elliott Schwartz; Hardcover; $34.00 (Back Ordered) Introduction to Electro Acoustic Music; Hardcover (Publisher Out Of Stock) The Language of Electroacoustic Music; Simon Emmerson (Editor); Hardcover; $39.00 (Special Order) Liberation of Sound (Music Reprint); Herbert Russcol; Hardcover; $40.50 (Not Yet Published) On the Wires of Our Nerves : The Art of Electroacoustic Music; Robin Julian Heifetz (Editor); Hardcover; $36.50 (Special Order) Serial Music : A Classified Bibliography of Writings on Twelve-Tone and Electronic Music; Ann Phillips Basart; Hardcover; $47.50 (Special Order) Synthesis; Paperback (Special Order) Synthesis : An Introduction to the History, Theory & Practice of Electronic Music; Herbert A. Deutsch; Paperback; $15.95 (Special Order) The Art of Electronic Music; Paperback (Hard to Find) The Art of Electronic Music; Tom Darter (Compiler), Greg Armbruster (Editor); Paperback (Hard to Find) Current Directions in Computer Music Research (System Development Foundation Benchmark Series, 2); Max V. Mathews, John Pierce (Editor); Textbook Binding (Hard to Find) The Development and Practice of Electronic Music.; Jon H., Comp. Appleton; Hardcover (Hard to Find) Electronic and Computer Music; Paperback (Hard to Find) Electronic and Computer Music; Peter Manning; Paperback (Hard to Find) Electronic and Experimental Music; Thomas B. Holmes; Paperback (Hard to Find) Electronic and Experimental Music; Thomas B. Holmes; Hardcover (Hard to Find) The Electronic Arts of Sound and Light; Ronald Pellegrino; Hardcover (Hard to Find) Electronic music; Andy Mackay; Unknown Binding (Hard to Find) Electronic Music; Hardcover (Hard to Find) Electronic Music; Andy MacKay; Hardcover (Hard to Find) Electronic music : a listener's guide; Elliott Schwartz; Unknown Binding (Hard to Find) Electronic Music : A Listener's Guide; Elliott S. Schwartz; Paperback (Hard to Find) Electronic Music Production; Paperback (Hard to Find) Electronic Music Production; Alan Douglas; Paperback (Hard to Find) Electronic music production; Alan Lockhart Monteith Douglas; Unknown Binding (Hard to Find) The Evolution of Electronic Music; David Ernst; Paperback (Hard to Find) Foundations of Computer Music; Curtis Roads, John Strawn (Editor); Hardcover (Hard to Find) A Guide to Electronic Music; Paperback (Hard to Find) A Guide to Electronic Music; Paul Griffiths; Paperback (Hard to Find) An individual note: of music, sound and electronics; Daphne Oram; Unknown Binding (Hard to Find) Introduction to Electro Acoustic Music; Schrader; Hardcover (Hard to Find) The Liberation of Sound: An Introduction to Electronic Music.; Herbert. Russcol; Hardcover (Hard to Find) Musical Microcomputer : A Resource Guide (Garland Reference Library of the Humanities, Vol 854); Craig Lister; Hardcover (Hard to Find) Principles and Practice of Electronic Music; G Trythall; School & Library Binding (Hard to Find). From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 11:34 pm Subject: Hamburg gig Really-From: stephan bischoff Hi anyone, is there someone out there who is going visit the Hamburg concert? Please contact me, maybe we can organize at meet somewhere. Regards, Stephan _____ __________________________________________________________ / || \ |E-mail|| Stephan.Bischoff@H... | \_____||____________________________________________________ | / || | | Home ||http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/index.html | \_____||__________________________________________________________/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 8:10 am Subject: Re: zlatko Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuliæ/Sasha Sekulich) On Fri, 04 Apr 1997 13:10:28 -0700 (MST), you wrote: >Really-From: dbrewer@a... >I'm for Zlatko's return myself. I do agree that he was too much into the >speedy riffs thing for a while. But I think that by the time TotT came >out, he really refined his playing, making a more meaningful contribution >to the songs and not just noodling at warp factor 9 over the keyboard >parts. I wish I could go to see the Euopean tour! :-( Could somebody tell me what's Zlatko's surname? Is it maybe Manojlovic ( Santana's ex-guitarist)? Yeah, I know, I should get more TD albums... ********** Sasa Sekulic, Student at the Faculty of Physics, University of Belgrade -- email: mrsasha@b..., mrsasha@a... homepage: http://afrodita.rcub.bg.ac.yu/~mrsasha/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 1:52 am Subject: Re: Tyger Really-From: Gary Davis In a message dated 97-04-06 21:08:58 EDT, CHRIS_THAM@H... writes: > For those of you interested in hearing more of William Blake's words set > to music, check out Tangerine Dream's 'Tyger'. It seems to be one of > those albums TD fans either love or hate, it's certainly quite different > from their normal compositions. > While I'm on the pro side of that album, I can see why many don't like it. While on the one hand I think the concept of the album was inspired and the music is great, I have to say that the choice of vocalist for the material couldn't have been worse. She's a cross between broadway and gospel (could have been an extra in The Wiz). Stylistically she was just all wrong for the part. I really didn't think she had any awareness of or feeling for Blake's work and couldn't even pronounce 'Thames' right! TD's music for that seemed to me to be a cross between rock and minimalist classical. Any number of progressive vocalists could have handled that music in their sleep - Jon Anderson, Greg Lake, Annie Haslam, Ian Anderson, etc. Maybe even an operatic vocalist or a choir in a Gregorian chant style. In fact, I think TD's concept could have worked best if they'd tried the methodology Vangelis used for 'Voices' or 'See You Later' using different vocalists for different tracks instead of one for the entire album. With a different approach, Tyger could have been a classic. Gary Check out my Christpher Franke page at ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad@a... SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2412 Re: Tyger Mark Edmonds Mon 4/7/1997 2 KB 5984 Re: Tyger feldon@p... Fri 7/18/1997 3 KB 5986 Re: Tyger TangerineC@a... Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB 5987 Re: Tyger feldon@p... Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB 5988 Re: Tyger TangerineC@a... Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB 5990 Re: Tyger feldon@p... Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB 15826 Tyger Shadow Mon 4/19/1999 1 KB 15841 Re: Tyger Steven Le Vine Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB 15845 Re: Tyger j.gordon Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 2:37 am Subject: d:Zoning Really-From: Rich Maggio AS: 3 I recently bought this CD. It is very good - not great, but not just good (if that makes sense). As others have noted already, this would have been appropriately called an Edgar Froese solo CD rather than TD. It puts me in mind of the new material on Beyond the Storm. I happen to really like BtS - both the new and old stuff. Anyone that has given this CD a good rating says that they like track 1 and track 13 (first and last) the best. With all of the Jerome bashing that goes on here, I think it is ironic that these two tracks are the only one that Jerome helped write - and you can here it in the music. I agree that track 1 is very good, but my favorite on this CD is track 2 - Skyscraper. To me, it has some of that dramatic feel to it that you hear in some of TD's mid 80's soundtracks. This is something that I miss in their music today. Track 13 (Missing Link) I can do without. It has the standard Jerome drumming signature that I have grown weary of. The tracks that stand out for me are: Track 1: The conspiracy Track 2: Skyscraper (my fav on the CD) Track 8: Good Choice, Bad Timing Track 10:Unfit for Consumption The rest to me are nothing really special for me. I noticed that track 12 (Eyewitness News) is featured on disk 5 of Tangents by a different name. This disk is supposed to be unreleased tracks. Is it that the Zoning soundtrack wasn't out when Tangents was released? They both came out the same year ('94). Anyway, I didn't like this track on Tangents, and I still don't like it on Zoning. Question: Is Linda Spa playing sax on Headhunter (track 3)? It sounds like her, though she is not given credit in the liner notes. Just curious. Bottom line: I don't feel the CD is a complete waste of money. It's worth popping into the player every now and then, but I doubt I will ever say to myself 'Self, I'm in a Zoning mood today!'. However, I routinely say to myself 'Self, I'm in a Tangram mood today!'. Rich Maggio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2417 Re: d:Zoning Mark Filipak Mon 4/7/1997 2 KB 2420 Re: d:Zoning dbrewer@a... Mon 4/7/1997 2 KB 2443 Re: d:Zoning Mark Filipak Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2449 Re: d:Zoning Rich Maggio Tue 4/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 2:58 am Subject: Re: zlatko Really-From: feldon@n... At 01:10 AM 4/7/97 GMT, you wrote: >Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuliæ/Sasha Sekulich) > >Could somebody tell me what's Zlatko's surname? Is it maybe Manojlovic ( >Santana's ex-guitarist)? Zlatko's last name? Perica On the liner notes of Turn of the Tides. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 3:00 am Subject: Re: TD Fans: Old and New Really-From: Rich Maggio > Really-From: Greg Heil > > Regarding the 'preferences' of the various styles of music. Many of us > T-Dream fans have only recently (past couple years) found this group, > and usually the first album we choose to hear of T-Dream was one we > liked. My first album of TD was the 'Private music of Tangerine Dream' > (late 80's compiliation) and because I liked that 'Haslinger' style, I > bought into T-Dream. If I were to try and listen to maybe 'Tangram' > (which I got just yesterday and is totally awesome) I would have > returned it because a certain level of understanding had not took place > with the origin, style, level of technology of the time, and sheer > patience to listen to the entire album. One other 'truth' I have found > is that us recent T-dream fans find that we are slowly creeping into the > past to buy older TD albums as we develop tastes and interests for the > older stuff--we all will eventually make it to 'Zeit' and 'Electronic > Meditation' someday.. > (See Lars, I'm being a good net citizen :-) I agree completely with Greg - I went through the same process. My first TD experience was Optical Race. For the longest time (3 years maybe), this was among my favorite TD titles. It has now been pushed down the stack by Tangram, Encore, Phaedra, etc. At this point, I don't like the Private years stuff much. I've been a fan for 5 years now. The last 2 years have been years of discovery for me. I discovered the Virgin years of TD, the soundtrack era of TD, Edgar's solo stuff, and Chris Franke's solo stuff. It's been fantastic. I'm afraid of the day that will come when there are no other older TD CDs to buy. What a sad day that will be. During my first year as a fan, I bought Phaedra and Atem by mistake. They had late 80's dates on them, but this was a re-release date as I found out. Boy was I disappointed when I got home and gave them a listen. They sat and collected dust for about 3 years - their jewel cases providing spare parts for other cases that broke. I thought they were nothing but noise and sound effects. They sounded disjointed and fragmented to me. But I have now seen the light. Greg is right - it is as though you need to develop a level of appreciation and understanding for the music. Now, I think these CDs are great, and have seen fit to replace their badly damaged jewel cases. So, I've made it past Phaedra and Atem - now to push through Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centuri, and Ziet! Let the adventure continue. Rich Maggio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 3:11 am Subject: Re: About Green Drsert and Phaedra Really-From: Rich Maggio > Look for Phaedra, 'definitive edition' ( Vigin, SBM Editon). It sounds > very clean (I likie it very much),and don't expect another release form > other source because the rigths of this work belongs to Virgin. > Phaedra, Ricochet, and Stratosfear were recently put into 'out of print' status by Virgin in the US. They have been re-released by a label called Alliance. I have seen this on the CD Now and CD Connection Web sites, but I have yet to see any of these in the stores. Is Alliance affiliated with Virgin? Speaking of TD CDs going out of print, I see that FM and Cyclone have gone out of print as well in the US. They were both re-released in '95 by Griffin with totally different artwork than the original Virgin releases. Does anyone know if Griffin is going to re-release them or if Virgin is going to pick the releases back up in the US? Might we see SBM's of these in the US (that would be cool!). Rich Maggio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 3:23 am Subject: Re: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3 Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-05 07:57:08 EST, you write: << Don't forget this is quite old. Wasn't the original maximum CD length 72 minutes? I think the longer ones came later when people discovered that by stretching the spec you could produce longer disks that played on *most* players. I think some older ones have problems. John >> THAT' S IT. These are old CDs. That must be the answer. Can anybody get information on the print dates on the shorter CDs to find out for sure if they are from the late 80s or early 90s. The edited ones should be prior to CD length extension developments. Thanks, John Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2448 Re: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3 Mark Filipak Tue 4/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 6:29 am Subject: Re: d: zoning Really-From: 'Karl W. Reinsch' Steven Feldman wrote: > Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> wrote: > >[...] oops, sorry I must have 'zzzzzzzzzzoned' out; but what woke me up > >was that last track, it sounds kinda interesting but at the same time, > >really out of place. almost like a seattle years bonus track added on > >to an early style of work... > > It's not so much out of place (like the last two tracks on the > HEARTBREAKERS soundtrack ('Thorny Affair' and some other) but a tease > of what could have followed, sort of like 'Silver Scale.' Am I the only one who hears in 'Missing Link' from ZONING (the last track), an early version of 'Towards The Evening Star' from GOBLIN'S CLUB? (Especially the bass-line and percussion.) -karl. kreinsch@r... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 6:40 am Subject: Re: About Green Drsert and Phaedra Really-From: TangerineC@a... I've seen Tangram reissued with the original Red cover. It is still put out by Caroline Blue Plate label. No more purple cover. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 7:55 am Subject: Re: another complaint Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne > Really-From: spride@c... (Simon Pride) > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > Hijacking Lars's thread... Which had good and valid points. > Three: > ...posting first as plain ASCII, which is good, and then as HTML, which > produces huge, ugly messages full of irrelevant font and paragraph > information. Yes. HTML does *NOT* belong to e-mail (even if some www *browser* imagine they are also capable of news/email). That is beside the point of my reply though. It would seem that about half of the list members are receiving this list in digest form (including me) and in digests overquoting and extraneous information really does show up at its worst. So once again, I know it has been said many times before (with varying success) but, do edit your quotations & configure your software properly (if it's not your fault but your admin's, complain to them, it's their job to see that system works properly!). Thank you for listening to my turn in bandwidth wasting. Going back to quasi-lurk-hibernation-mode (since '91/'92 can't remember, been on and off the list occasionally). -jhsa -- Stupid user error. Terminate user (Y/y) ? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 8:37 am Subject: Re: TD Fans: Old and New Really-From: Greg Heil > Really-From: Rich Maggio > > During my first year as a fan, I bought Phaedra and Atem by mistake. > They had late 80's dates on them.. Same happened to me with 'Encore', my second album > Boy was I disappointed when I got home and gave them a > listen. Yeah! I brought the album home, and boy did I cringe! I only listened to it when I was trying to annoy my father.. Sadly, I sold 'Encore' back to the place I got it about a month later and left T-Dream to collect old Mannheim Steamroller albums... which, brings to another point.. I purchased 'Mannheim Steamroller Christmas' and liked it so much that I actually went to try and find where this 'different' type of music came from... hmmm.. New Age? Okay.. well I bought all the Steamroller 'Fresh Aire' albums and wanted to find something new and that's when I found T-dream.. under the idea that they were 'up-beat' and 'synthesizer based'. >I thought they were nothing > but noise and sound effects. Lets face it.. we thought it was the hippies day in the park albums.. space albums for drugged peoples. I'm smarter now, and recognize the genious in the older albums, more so than any of the newer albums. > But I have now seen the light. Greg is right - it is as though you >need to > develop a level of appreciation and understanding for the music. Yes, and that is usually accomplished by being alone in a room, relaxed, and able to concentrate deeply on the music. > So, I've made it past Phaedra and Atem - now to push through Electronic > Meditation, Alpha Centuri, and Ziet! Let the adventure continue. I have made it as far as 'Tangram', and 'Force Majure' is being ordered right now.. I have a lot to experienece in the future.. so I don't have to worry about 'Zeit'.. just yet.... `=o) Greg.. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 8:44 am Subject: bye for two weeks Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) Hi Dreamers, I'll leave for two weeks and expect a full mailbox when I return! I leave for the National Astronomy Meeting to Southampton first, and then go to Germany and witness the TD concert in Bonn! (Will they play 'Oszillator Planet' as an encore? I go crazy about this since I got the boot two weeks ago...). On the way back to Ireland, I'll meet Lars in London and he will tell me about TD in Amsterdam. Isn't this great? Tangerine Dream fans everywhere! So I hope I've got something to tell when I'm back. See you Armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 9:22 am Subject: Re: Tyger Really-From: Mark Edmonds >In a message dated 97-04-06 21:08:58 EDT, >CHRIS_THAM@H... writes: > >> For those of you interested in hearing more of William Blake's words set >> to music, check out Tangerine Dream's 'Tyger'. It seems to be one of >> those albums TD fans either love or hate, it's certainly quite different >> from their normal compositions. >> I can`t stand Tyger althought the last instrumental track is OK. TD should have learnt their lesson from Cyclone and not repeated messing with vocals in this style. There are moments when they have used the human voice effectively of course - Atem, Zeit and Exit spring to mind where the voice doesn`t intrude and prevent enjoyment of the music. -- Mark Edmonds From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: D: ()()() 'Zoning' ()()( Really-From: Steven Feldman >D: ()()() 'Zoning' ()()() >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 00:42:33 -0500 (EST) >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > 'Zoning' >the $21.97 sticker on the spine. $21.97 is more than I would pay for >it now, but it is still worth a premium price, in my opinion. I'm not >sorry I paid this much. Don't feel bad: I paid $28 plus tax for my German copy. -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 2:33 pm Subject: Re: orb mandarin cream and other discoveries Really-From: Sean Montgomery > This is obviously just a commerical ploy to try and seduce TD's fans to > buy Orb stuff. I suspect it's more the other way around, but I doubt it's going to work either way. What exactly did Mr. Patterson do with TtES? Is it pure ambience? New melody? I did cave in and buy 'Orblivion', which doesn't hold a candle to 'Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld'. Toxygene is catchy though, I confess. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 3:41 pm Subject: RE: R&F Productions and Compact Discs > 'Don't let our jobs stop you from sending us whatever it is you want put on > CD.(i.e. questionable lyrics etc.) We will put anything on CD for you.' Really? I have some tapes of my e-music band performing live I'd like to put on CD's and have about 1000 made. And you know, we sound so much like Tangerine Dream you might as well just put 'Tangerine Dream' on the CD's. :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 4:06 pm Subject: Re: TD Fans: Old and New Really-From: Cloudless3@a... that's interesting that many of you seem to have started with the newer material...whereas i am a new TD fan and the first disc I acquired, purely by chance, was Zeit and now i am just fumbling my way through, picking up whatever i can find or what people recommend. could anyone give me a few recommendations for what you consider to be the 'essentials' or what i should pick up first? peace *abby* From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 3:31 pm Subject: Re: d:Zoning Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Rich Maggio [re: Zoning] > I noticed that track 12 (Eyewitness News) is featured on disk 5 > of Tangents by a different name. Hi Rich. And what, prey tell, is the name of 'Eyewitness News' on 'Tangents' and how similar is it? I don't have 'Tangents' but would like to add this info to the discography. Thanks -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2420 Re: d:Zoning dbrewer@a... Mon 4/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Polish concert - The tickets Really-From: Michal Balcerzak Hi Dreamers (from Poland). Anyone interested in getting the tickets for TD in Zabrze? Call Dom Muzyki i Tanca (0-32) 171 56 41 or ???? Production (I can't recall all the name) (0-32) 51 17 80 Michal Balcerzak From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 5:20 pm Subject: RE: R&F Productions and Compact Discs Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:41 AM 4/7/97 -0400, you wrote: >> 'Don't let our jobs stop you from sending us whatever it is you >want put on >> CD.(i.e. questionable lyrics etc.) We will put anything on CD for >you.' > >Really? I have some tapes of my e-music band performing live I'd like to >put on CD's and have about 1000 made. And you know, we sound so much >like Tangerine Dream you might as well just put 'Tangerine Dream' on the >CD's. :-) I have not heard your music, but if you are going to be making 100 CDs or more (obviously, you must have LOTS of money on hand!) you should get it done at a production house of some kind. The cost should be less than $5 per disc, but who knows... Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 5:31 pm Subject: Re: d:Zoning Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Qouted From: Mark Filipak > > Hi Rich. And what, prey tell, is the name of 'Eyewitness News' on > 'Tangents' and how similar is it? I don't have 'Tangents' but would > like to add this info to the discography. Thanks -- Mark > Actually, Rich was mistaken. Eyewitness News is identical to the next to the last track (#15?) on disc 1 of Froese's _Beyond the Storm_ ('Descent Like a Hawk'). Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 6:23 pm Subject: REMOVE NOW!! Really-From: globetec@m... Remove me from this lists tadream@c... as I did NOT request to be on it. http://www.globetech.co.uk Order Line : http://www.globetech.co.uk/order.htm Catalogue: http://www.globetech.co.uk/transmitters.htm From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 5:43 pm Subject: Book Lists (TD) Really-From: jeffrey@i... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 16:40:47 Subject: Not TD: Book list - recommendations? Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' The following is a list of books on electronic music. Can anyone comment on any fo them as to their quality and desirability? Please. All replies will be appreciated. Even nasty ones. >>>>>>>>Electric Sound : The Past and Promise of Electronic Music; Joel Chadabe; Paperback; $33.33; Descriptive information available. >>>>>>>>> Andrew I loved it, couldn't put it down. I had Chadabe as a professor for two e-music classes at University at Albany in NY. The guy housed one of the largest moog analog sequencer ever built at the University in the early 70's and developed 'interactive' computer software in the 80's. The book is broken into 8 or 9 sections but in my opinion its really 4 broad topics: 1) Early electronic music - history, performance, difficulties, etc... (appx 50-70 pages) 2) Tape Muisc / Abstract - lots on Cage and Tudor, some of Chadabe himself, and others - about 100-150 pages. I find tape music more intereting to read about (i.e. splicing, use of random methods) that to actually listen to. Also lots of intro on electronic studios of the 60/70/80's 3) Synthesizers and Midi - Based upon the classes I attended - the guy seems to know everyone in the industry - great interviews with Moog, Oberhiem, Dave Smith, Appleton, etc... - really good insided the source stories on how things were created and there effect on the industry - by far this section was one of the most enjoyable reading I have had the pleasure of reading in a while. - couldn't not put it down (about 80 pages) 4) alternate techniques, where is the industry going, multimedia (about 100-120 pages) - While I don't know Joel's opinion on TD he would probably find them blah - to structured, to much use of common music methodologies. He discusses alternate ways of composing (i.e. computerized, automated, random), different ways of performace (i.e. Matthews - talking drum wand, Buchula's thunder, etc). The coming to gether of art, visual, and sound in the performance, and where the industry in heading. Chadabe wrote the program 'M' for the Macintosh in the late 80's. It is an interactive program where you assign certain variables but the computer does the composing and you can adjust the variables in real time as the computer composes. He was very into this type of music when I was talking my first class in 89. The best thing about the book is while it may not be everything you looking for, Joel really opens your ideas to whats out there. Really stretches the immagination. I remeber in class we would talk about guys like Emerson and Banks and while he would concede that they had good skills and were enjoyable to listen (for a while) but he would keep coming back to the fact that they really hadn't pushed the envelope that far in making music - just following the path. In a way he was right. He also is a great story teller which makes him really interesting to listen to and read, and alot of the book comes from interviews with people from the industry. Definitely Recommend!!!! Anyone else read any of the others. I have an extra copy of ES that I would be willing to trade for one of the others - if someone had trouble finding it, but it should be relatively easy since its published by Prentice Hall >So, if YOU get thrown off the list, Lars :-), I am gone too, because 'Goblins' >Club' doesn't do a thing for me, while Jeff Bergman's 'Manhattan' does. >So there. P.s. Thanks for the PLUG! Jeff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2453 Re: Book Lists (TD) Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 4/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 6:29 pm Subject: RE: R&F Productions and Compact Discs Really-From: globetec@m... Remove from your lists sales@g... Your message headers have this address in them and I get copies of every mail. Secondly, I did NOT request to be on ANY mailing list... EVER.. Fraud is a crime and if someone has fraudulently used my name.. I will seek legal advise.. Could this not also be classed as Unsollicited Email..I certainly didn't request it.. Take me off NOW!! http://www.globetech.co.uk Order Line : http://www.globetech.co.uk/order.htm Catalogue: http://www.globetech.co.uk/transmitters.htm From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 6:46 pm Subject: Mojo Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, Picked up a copy of the magazine 'Mojo' which I'd seen mentioned on the digest a few weeks back. The TD article is really good and has some great quote from Edgar and the boys particularly the 'marmalade' anecdote. The Kraftwerk bit I found _bloody_ irritating : 'We play the machines and they play us' to paraphrase either Ralf or Florian (can't be bothered to go and look it up!) because it's such a loadof horse-hockey anyway. The bits about Can, Neu and Crimson filled in a lot of gaps in my knowledge of the scene. Recommended. Cheers David P.S. The deadline for the T-Bass caption comptition has been extended to 15th April 1997. Don't miss this one. It might be out last! T-Bass : Electronic Music email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 7:03 pm Subject: RE: R&F Productions and Compact Discs >> 'Don't let our jobs stop you from sending us whatever it is you >want put on >> CD.(i.e. questionable lyrics etc.) We will put anything on CD for >you.' > >Really? I have some tapes of my e-music band performing live I'd like to >put on CD's and have about 1000 made. And you know, we sound so much >like Tangerine Dream you might as well just put 'Tangerine Dream' on the >CD's. :-) >I have not heard your music, but if you are going to be making 100 CDs or >more (obviously, you must have LOTS of money on hand!) you should get it >done at a production house of some kind. The cost should be less than $5 per >disc, but who knows... I was joking. It was supposed to sound like I wanted to press b**tlegs. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 6:08 pm Subject: remove Really-From: globetec@m... Please Remove From Mailing List http://www.globetech.co.uk Order Line : http://www.globetech.co.uk/order.htm Catalogue: http://www.globetech.co.uk/transmitters.htm From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 7:12 pm Subject: RE: R&F Productions and Compact Discs >Secondly, I did NOT request to be on ANY mailing list... EVER.. >Fraud is a crime and if someone has fraudulently used my name.. I >will seek legal advise.. Could this not also be classed as >Unsollicited Email..I certainly didn't request it.. >Order Line : http://www.globetech.co.uk/order.htm >Catalogue: http://www.globetech.co.uk/transmitters.htm Actually, this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ appears to be an unsolicited advert, for which we most certainly did ask. I think _we_ should be upset with _you_ for advertising your products. I think we'll be speaking to our lawyers, all ~410 of us. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 7:22 pm Subject: Ralf Wadephal Does Ralf perfom on the Near Dark ST? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2429 Re: Ralf Wadephal Sean Montgomery Mon 4/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 7:42 pm Subject: Re: Ralf Wadephal Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Does Ralf perfom on the Near Dark ST? No, Ralf came in after Chris Franke left, and Chris was definitely on-board for Near Dark. Heck, he still uses some of the same sounds in his current work! Ralf's only composing credit on a TD record is 'Sun Gate' on Optical Race. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 1:19 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #882 Really-From: 'Obispo' Really-From: Rich Maggio > Does anyone know if Griffin is going to re-release them or if Virgin is > going to pick the releases back up in the US? Might we see SBM's of these > in the US (that would be cool!). I heard that Griffin is no longer in business.... :( Steve Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2458 Re: tadream-digest V15 #882 Maxwell A. Croy Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 8:22 pm Subject: Re: orb mandarin cream and other discoveries Really-From: Vic Rek At 04:16 AM 4/5/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >Through music we come to realize we are not >alone in our existence. But here I am waxing philosophical again so I >better go before you hit the delete key. > >So, I suppose you're going to toss me off this list now? > >lars >(blame it on London!) Ya, I guess we'll just have to toss you Lars. I can't stand it when I read an e-mail and I really enjoy it. I guess we'll have to bill London for the return ticket, but what about our US-UK TD connection? I hope you have another day like the 5th (lucky it wasn't April 1st) and let us know about it!!! Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 9:04 pm Subject: Griffin Really-From: Ken Alexander > I heard that Griffin is no longer in business.... :( It's true, Griffin went bankrupt. Several things went wrong at once, and they were unable to survive. Last I heard, they were hoping to find someone willing to take over their catalog. So, if you want any of the Griffin TD releases (or any other Griffin stuff, such as their excellent Hawkwind releases), you better grab it immediately. All Griffin stuff has already vanished from the shelves around here. -Ken CDs for sale - http://polyphemus.engin.umich.edu/kalex/forsale.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Wadephul Input on 'Sun Gate' Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Ralf Wadephal >Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:42:18 -0400 (EDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >[...] Ralf's only composing credit on a TD record is 'Sun >Gate' on Optical Race. This forces me to ask, what exactly is Wadephul responsible on this track--considering that it is mostly the guitar solo that defines it--? Is the guitar all Edgar's doing, or Ralf's? I ask this because Zlatko Perica's guitar work on ROCKOON and 220 VOLT LIVE sounds like it is in service of the songs' demands, but his work on TURN OF THE TIDES sounds like the product of input in the songwriting. In the liner notes to TURN OF THE TIDES, Zlatko is credited with coming up with the guitar sections or somesuch, and I'm wondering if, in fact, that's what Ralf did with 'Sun Gate.' I don't recall hearing what Ralf's actual contributions to the band were, instrument-wise. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2434 Re: Wadephul Input on 'Sun Gate' Sean Montgomery Mon 4/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 9:38 pm Subject: Re: Wadephul Input on 'Sun Gate' Really-From: Sean Montgomery > This forces me to ask, what exactly is Wadephul responsible on > this track--considering that it is mostly the guitar solo that defines > it--? My understanding was that Ralf composed it - before joining the band - and that Edgar just added the solo. If I remember correctly, Ralf's original version had vocals! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'I put the FUN in dysfunctional' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 9:58 pm Subject: Salt tank Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' HI All, a few weeks ago I read an article in the german audio magazine about an uk band called salt tank. They were described as the TDreamers of the 90th. By fortune my local record store offers a copy of: Salt tank science & nature 1996 internal records uk trucd11 int 828745.2. It´s great! They sound like the TD-Schmoelling lineup (circa Exit/Thief) with modern instruments (mostly more aggressiv and more bpm´s than TD). My fav track is the 3rd, eugina (10:20), a brilliant slow piece of music that could be found an white eagle. Anybody out there knowing them ? Any comments ? cu jp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2441 Re: Salt tank Mark Filipak Tue 4/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 10:41 pm Subject: Legend Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Dreamers. If you need 'Legend' soundtrack CD, I've located a copy. Contact me off-list ASAP. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5499 Legend TangerineC@a... Sun 6/29/1997 2 KB 5518 Re: Legend Steven Feldman Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB 5522 Re: Legend TangerineC@a... Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB 14786 Legend Frank Stephen Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB 14791 Re: Legend TangerineC@a... Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB 14850 Re: Legend AOutland@a... Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 19779 Legend pergamon@xxxxxxx.xx Wed 12/15/1999 1 KB 19789 Re: Legend Bennett Cookson Wed 12/15/1999 1 KB 20148 Legend LAWRY SIMM Tue 1/4/2000 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 10:42 pm Subject: Heartbreakers Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Dreamers. If you need 'Heartbreakers' soundtrack CD, I've located a copy. Contact me off-list ASAP. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3533 Heartbreakers TangerineC@a... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3535 Re: Heartbreakers dbrewer@a... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3538 Re: Heartbreakers Rakinik Intertype Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 5189 Heartbreakers Michael A Jean Thu 6/19/1997 2 KB 34327 Heartbreakers Paul Lawler Fri 6/14/2002 4 KB 34347 Re: Heartbreakers Dennis Nigbur Sat 6/15/2002 6 KB 34328 Re: Heartbreakers Paul Lawler Fri 6/14/2002 5 KB 34330 Re: Heartbreakers Armin Theissen Fri 6/14/2002 6 KB 34332 Re: Heartbreakers Armin Theissen Fri 6/14/2002 7 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 10:45 pm Subject: Poland 2CD, Relativity 88561-8045-2 Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Gang. Anybody looking for 'Poland' 2CD, Relativity 88561-8045-2 that has the complete show, I now have an extra (brown printing version). Contact me off-list. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 10:52 pm Subject: Agitation Free Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Gang. I have the opportunity to buy these Agitation Free albums, but I can only afford one right now. So which one should I buy first? Agitation Free - '2nd' - with M.Hoenig & C.Franke Agitation Free - 'Last' Agitation Free - 'Fragments' - with M.Hoenig Also, can anyone comment on Annexus Quam 'Osmose'? Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 10:29 pm Subject: Re: TD Article Really-From: 'K.E' Hi Glynn! Thank you very much for the articles wich I just recived. I am sending you something wich I hope will reach you in a few days... I hope you like it! Kindly, Kent Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2446 Re: PUMA X Benjamin J Dunkle Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 11:05 pm Subject: Re: Salt tank Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > HI All, > > a few weeks ago I read an article in the german audio magazine about > an uk band called salt tank. They were described as the TDreamers of > the 90th. By fortune my local record store offers a copy of: > Salt tank > science & nature > 1996 internal records > uk trucd11 int 828745.2. > > It´s great! They sound like the TD-Schmoelling lineup (circa Exit / > Thief) with modern instruments (mostly more aggressiv and more bpm´s > than TD). > > My fav track is the 3rd, eugina (10:20), a brilliant slow piece of > music that could be found an white eagle. > > Anybody out there knowing them ? Any comments ? A number of people on the Ambient list have mentioned that an EP named 'Sargasso Sea' is brilliant, but I've not been able to find it. They said the rest of Salt Tank is so-so. -- Mark (for what it's worth -- probably nothing.) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 11:24 pm Subject: Ax Genrich Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi. I have a CD of Ax Genrich (Guru Guru) 'Psycheldlic Guitar' (1994, Germany) on ATM label (cat# ATM 3809 - AH) for trade/sale. Contact me off list. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2445 Re: PUMA X Benjamin J Dunkle Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 12:30 am Subject: Re: d:Zoning Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: dbrewer@a... > > Actually, Rich was mistaken. Eyewitness News [from Zoning] is > identical to the next to the last track (#15?) [actually track 13] > on disc 1 of Froese's _Beyond the Storm_ ('Descent Like a Hawk'). Yup, they are the same song. And 'Descent Like a Hawk' is marked a previously unreleased. -- Mark (cheated out of one song) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal? Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi, Gang, I just noticed that Mark Filpak posted about getting ahold of copies of the LEGEND and HEARTBREAKERS CDs. What I want to know is, what's the big deal? Is LEGEND out-of-print already or something? And as for HEARTBREAKERS, if it's a copy on the Silva America label, what's the big deal *there*? (I'm assuming that it's not a German Virgin copy because if it *was*, Mark would keep it because I can't imagine that he already has one and is selling a duplicate copy.) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2447 Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big de Mark Filipak Tue 4/8/1997 3 KB 2450 Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big de dbrewer@a... Tue 4/8/1997 3 KB 2452 Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big de Rich Maggio Tue 4/8/1997 3 KB 2455 Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big de Regis C. Pei Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2483 Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big de Sean Montgomery Tue 4/8/1997 3 KB 2487 Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big de dbrewer@a... Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2490 Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big de Sean Montgomery Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2457 Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big de Mark Filipak Tue 4/8/1997 3 KB 2492 Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big de feldon@n... Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 12:31 am Subject: Re: PUMA X Really-From: Benjamin J Dunkle my adress:dunkle@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 12:30 am Subject: Re: PUMA X Really-From: Benjamin J Dunkle puma x is a band i heard when i was in germany, and im very interested in a recording called 'artificial paradise'. if anyone knows anything about it, could they e-mail me? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 1:05 am Subject: Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Hi, Gang, > I just noticed that Mark Filpak posted about getting ahold of > copies of the LEGEND and HEARTBREAKERS CDs. What I want to know is, > what's the big deal? Is LEGEND out-of-print already or something? And > as for HEARTBREAKERS, if it's a copy on the Silva America label, what's > the big deal *there*? (I'm assuming that it's not a German Virgin copy > because if it *was*, Mark would keep it because I can't imagine that he > already has one and is selling a duplicate copy.) It's just another evil conspiracy on my part to try to get people the music they want and might not be able to find and to send it to them at my cost. I'm ashamed of myself -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2450 Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big de dbrewer@a... Tue 4/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 1:18 am Subject: Re: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3 Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-04-05 07:57:08 EST, you write: > > << Don't forget this is quite old. Wasn't the original maximum CD > length 72 minutes? I think the longer ones came later when people > discovered that by stretching the spec you could produce longer disks > that played on *most* players. I think some older ones have problems. > > THAT'S IT. These are old CDs. That must be the answer. Yes that explains why C TANG 3 (circa 1984) is three minutes short, but it doesn't explain why the new Castle releases still trim 'Zeit' (the track) by one minute as 75 minutes (the full length of the LP) is well within current CD technology. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 1:38 am Subject: Re: d:Zoning Really-From: Rich Maggio Sorry, I was confused. 'Eyewitness News' is identical to a track on EF's Beyond the Storm. It is track 13 on disk 1 and is titled 'Descent Like a Hawk'. As far as I can tell, they are virtually identical except for the fact that the BtS version has some heavier bass. It sounds like it was re-equalized. The listed running time on BtS is 5:14 and on Zoning it is 5:11. So, here is an interesting point. This track is listed on BtS as previously unreleased. Oops! Zoning came out in '94 originally (as far as I can tell from the liner notes) and BtS came out in '95. I realize that the date on the back of the Zoning CD says '96, but the liner notes say that it was recorded and mixed in '94. I'm assuming that the '96 date is a re-release date. Am I correct or am I just spouting b.s. Does anyone out there know if this CD was available before '96? On another label perhaps? Sorry for the misinformation. Rich Maggio > > [re: Zoning] > > > I noticed that track 12 (Eyewitness News) is featured on disk 5 > > of Tangents by a different name. > > Hi Rich. And what, prey tell, is the name of 'Eyewitness News' on > 'Tangents' and how similar is it? I don't have 'Tangents' but would > like to add this info to the discography. Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 2:15 am Subject: Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal? Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Mark Filipak > > It's just another evil conspiracy on my part to try to get people the > music they want and might not be able to find and to send it to them at > my cost. I'm ashamed of myself -- Mark > That is a mightily dastardly deed you do, Mark! :-) Really, I guess we take things for granted when an album is readily available in our area. It's hard to realize that maybe there's someplace in the world where the most perfect record company's (smell that sarcasm; or is that my feet??) distribution doesn't reach... (especially with some of TD's stuff) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 2:44 am Subject: Klaus Schulze on MTV? Really-From: Boneheads1@a... Hi all, I happened to be flipping through the TV at about 1:30 AM Sunday PST and noticed that MTV was doing some interesting electronic music videos. All of a sudden they displayed a credit and it was Klaus Schulze! I think the song title had something to do with moods for vocoders or something like that, and what I remember of the video kept featuring a close-up of a Mini-Moog. There were many other artists also. At 2:00 the show ended and went back to the usual fare. Anyway, maybe Dream Mixes will be on next weekend. Tim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2459 Re: Klaus Schulze on MTV? Salmij{rvi Janne Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2499 Re: Klaus Schulze on MTV? TWeibre361@a... Tue 4/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 2:52 am Subject: Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal? Really-From: Rich Maggio > > > That is a mightily dastardly deed you do, Mark! :-) Really, I guess we > take things for granted when an album is readily available in our area. > It's hard to realize that maybe there's someplace in the world where the > most perfect record company's (smell that sarcasm; or is that my feet??) > distribution doesn't reach... (especially with some of TD's stuff) > > Dave Brewer Yes, a dastardly deed indeed! :-) Dave, you make a good point. I live in NJ here in the US and I often have trouble getting my hands on some TD CDs. It's not like I live at the end of the earth somewhere. The only ones I find in abundance here are the Miramar, Private, and Virgin releases. The Relativity releases were pretty common, but are hard to find around here now that these have been taken over by Castle. For this reason, I have found CD web sites like CD Connection to be very useful. Special ordering through a CD shop works sometimes as well, but not always. Searching for TD CDs can be a test of how resourceful you are. Put differently, locating some TD CDs can be damn frustrating at times! What we go through to satisfy out TD habit. Rich Maggio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2455 Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big de Regis C. Pei Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2483 Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big de Sean Montgomery Tue 4/8/1997 3 KB 2487 Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big de dbrewer@a... Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2490 Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big de Sean Montgomery Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 9:21 pm Subject: Re: Book Lists (TD) Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 01:43 PM 4/7/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: jeffrey@i... > > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 16:40:47 >Subject: Not TD: Book list - recommendations? > >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > >The following is a list of books on electronic music. Can anyone >comment on any fo them as to their quality and desirability? Please. >>>>>>>>>Electric Sound : The Past and Promise of Electronic Music; Joel Chadabe; >Paperback; $33.33; Descriptive information available. >>>>>>>>>> > > >Andrew > >I loved it, couldn't put it down. I had Chadabe as a professor for two e-music classes at University at >Albany in NY. The guy housed one of the largest moog analog sequencer ever built at the University in >the early 70's and developed 'interactive' computer software in the 80's. The book is broken into 8 or 9 >sections but in my opinion its really 4 broad topics: [......snip.....] Now that's what I like: a definite, personal, opinionated reply. Jeff to the rescue. As usually. Thanks. Amazon Books, here I come. >P.s. Thanks for the PLUG! > 'Just the facts, ma'm' (Sergeant Friday). Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: ticket lottery for Amsterdam ! Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) The Amsterdam venue, 'Melkweg' holds a lottery for free tickets for the TD concert. Check out their homepage, www.melkweg.nl Small drawback : their english homepage was not yet up as of today, so, dust off your Dutch.... -klaus- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2456 Re: ticket lottery for Amsterdam ! Mark Filipak Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 3:29 am Subject: Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal? Really-From: 'Regis C. Pei' unsubscribe pei@e... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 3:42 am Subject: Re: ticket lottery for Amsterdam ! Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) > > The Amsterdam venue, 'Melkweg' holds a lottery for free tickets for > the TD concert. Check out their homepage, www.melkweg.nl > > Small drawback : their english homepage was not yet up as of today, > so, dust off your Dutch.... Wow! You guys get a TD tour and now some will get in free? Life's not fair. BTW, I find I can read Dutch. If I don't think about the seemingly screwy spellings and just read it aloud, I can actually understand it! -- Mark (signing off for the day -- whew!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 3:37 am Subject: Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Rich Maggio > > > > > > That is a mightily dastardly deed you do, Mark! :-) > > > > Dave Brewer > > > Yes, a dastardly deed indeed! :-) > > Rich Maggio Well, not to be an ass (which I can be) and to bring this full circle with something I wrote a few days ago, I've been amazed by the number of times I've emailed privately with otherwise very nice and sensible folks on this list -- names withheld to protect my innocence-- only to discover they've passed up a semi-rarity because they 'already have it'. Grrrr..... -- Mark (an ass by any other name is just a donkey) PS: Doesn't anybody want the Relativity 2CD of 'Poland'? Oh well, it goes in my trade/sell list. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 8:12 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #882 Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' Could anyone make me a copy of the recent topic of discussion, 'Paris Palais du Sport 11/22/76 show. I would love to have it and would pay $$ for a dub... Dreamin', Maxwell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 7:31 am Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze on MTV? Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne > Really-From: Boneheads1@a... [MTV playing cool stuff] > I think the song title had something to do with moods for vocoders or > something like that... Must've been 'Vocoders in the dark'. I've seen that on MTV-Europe's Chill Out Zone once. If you are in europe check out Chill Out Zone. Mostly very good stuff (it's on 04:00 - 06:00 Sunday morning CET), last Friday on Party Zone they had Jarre co-hosting and they showed most of his old videos. Cool. :) -jhsa -- Stupid user error. Terminate user (Y/n) ? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 4:25 pm Subject: Re: BECOME THE OTHER (no Direct TD) Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > By the way, the only Ozrics CD I don't have is the most recent > one, BECOME THE OTHER. How is it? Unlike STRANGEITUDE, [can't > recall the title], and ARBORESCENCE, BECOME THE OTHER didn't get > released in the US of A. I have Become the Other and Jurrasic Shift. Of the two, I prefer BtO, which I believe was produced after a split in the band? I think it has a synthier feel, with less guitar (although I haven't listened to this for some time, so might be wrong with that). I have seen a number of TD fans refer to this music, but can't really see the connection. Admittedly the Oz's use synths and guitars, but they have a far rockier sound, IMO. BTW, you mentioned Hawkwind. As a Hawkwind novise, who loves the instrumental tracks on Electric Tepee, which would you suggest as a next step? Thanks, --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2688 Re: BECOME THE OTHER (no Direct TD) Grant Middleton Tue 4/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 9:10 am Subject: D:Addendum, week of April 7 Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers Having finally concluded the first segment of the D:List, we start this week with the D:List, Addendum. A GIANT round of applause to Scott Plumer for managing the first segment!!! Yeah Scott! I guess I'll be your 'D'-jay (or is it 'E-jay'??) until Vic Rek takes over with the D:List, Solo Works in mid-June. The Solo segment will carry us through into 1998. The Addendum schedule was posted about a month ago but if anyone still needs it, please contact me either directly or on the list. For you newcomers to Tadream, the D:List (at least as I understand it!) is an opportunity for everyone interested to concentrate our discissions on one Tangerine Dream album/CD each week. Input at ALL levels is appreciated and there is no set format: say whatever you'd like. It doesn't matter whether it's your first impression of your very first TD CD or if you are dropping in from the 'heavens' to grace us mere mortals your expertise on synthesizers, SBMs, music theory, the band's influences, or the concert dates and tapes from that year--anything and everything goes and it's all appreciated. Don't hesitate, participate! D:List, Addendum; Week of April 7 70-80 box set Enjoy! PS: will someone this week please talk about the three 'tangentized' things from Encore that are on this set? Thanks I'm dying to know! Hermes--all this Encore stuff/singles/etc woud make a great FAQ topic (hint hint) lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2473 Re: D:Addendum, week of April 7 Mark Edmonds Tue 4/8/1997 4 KB 2478 Re: D:Addendum, week of April 7 Vincent Goudreault Tue 4/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 9:10 am Subject: jerome bashing Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Subject: d:Zoning >Really-From: Rich Maggio [...] >1 and track 13 (first and last) the best. With all of the Jerome >bashing that goes on here, I think it is ironic that these two tracks >are the only one that Jerome helped write - and you can here it in the >music. yes but not all of the most zealous Jerome-bashers have [bothered to] reviewed zoning; even though I've probably bashed him myself on 'rare' occasions (*even my wife* thought he needed a haircut when she saw him at the Bush and she has no idea of what we talk about on this list!!!!!) not everyone who bashes Jerome hates his music nor are all of us on tadream Jerome bashers... stereotypes stereotypes ... tsk tsk tsk :-) (BTW this is not an attack on you Rich!) If this is what a list member thinks, what do the Family Froese think? (may the gods protect their holy name; genuflection, genuflection -- in the direction of Berllin of course!) I guess we'll really have to clean up our act! You know what they say, if you can't censor yourself ....... :-) hmmmm 'Bush' ... Jerome's hair ... hmmmm ..... Jerome's hair ..... 'Bush' [...] > (See Lars, I'm being a good net citizen :-) yo, Rich, snip on this... :-) >I agree completely with Greg - I went through the same process. [...] >I've been a fan for 5 years now. The last 2 years have >been years of discovery for me. I discovered the Virgin years of TD, >the soundtrack era of TD, Edgar's solo stuff, and Chris Franke's solo stuff. >It's been fantastic. I'm afraid of the day that will come when there >are no other older TD CDs to buy. What a sad day that will be. Yes, but then you discover vinyl (and all that stuff not on CD) and b**ts and fan tapes and memorabilia and soon you will be selling your grandma into slavery to finance your next fi, fi, fis, fix ... look man, I gotta go, I'm startin' to git the shakes... I gotta git down to the record store and git me someting new.... lars (who did appreciate hearing both your story and Greg's too!) PS: now forming, the Jerome fan-club Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2496 jerome bashing Michael Fox Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 9:11 am Subject: missing link Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Karl an astute t-dreamer you are indeed! methinks you are quite correct! lars >Am I the only one who hears in 'Missing Link' from ZONING (the last >track), an early version of 'Towards The Evening Star' from GOBLIN'S >CLUB? (Especially the bass-line and percussion.) >- -karl. >kreinsch@r... ---------------------------------------- PS it is too bad that so many of the TD SBMs are unavailable/out of print in the US... The Virgin megastore here in London is packed to the gills with them, then there are those in the HMVs and Tower and all the local shops too.... np: Ricochet 'the definitive edition' lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 9:11 am Subject: action request Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers since I don't have web access at the moment would someone mind please e-mailing me directly the e-mail address for the TD office / that is, the one you can use for questions ... thanks (please don't assume someone else will do it--better that I get 25 e-mails than none! thanks much!!!!!) lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2567 action request Lars R. Jones Fri 4/11/1997 2 KB 2570 Re: action request Mark Filipak Fri 4/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 9:10 am Subject: edgar and money Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers Armin wrote: >where else can you hear them talking to the audience, and what >do they have to say? In Aachen, Germany, Jan. 21st 1981, Edgar >grapped a microphone after the first set just to remind us that >we could buy T shirts outside (as documented on the fantape, beside >my and my cousin's chat). Were they running out of money? Thanks Armin for this great aside-- I'd love to hear this tape and especially to hear Edgar saying this!!!!!-- I read this and laughed so hard I almost fell out of my chair!!!!! hahahahahahhhahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahhah!!!!!!!! So much for the discussion of Edgar never caring about $$$$/DMDMDMDM! this week's score: fans 0 , edgar 1 Lars ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PS: No thanks to TD's homepage... My wife (thank her) was able to get the number for the Amsterdam theatre Melkweg Max +31 20 624 1777; there are still tickets available. I don't believe the theatre will sell tickets by phone/charge. They will refer you to the number +31 06-300-125 but I don't know if this works outside of the Netherlands. I spoke to Moderne Welt last week and definitely got the impression that TD tickets were NOT 'selling like hotcakes' in the Vaterland... so maybe Edgar will be pimping cds & t-shirts on stage during this tour too!!! We can trust Armin to let us know! I am eagerly awaiting reviews since the first concert will be tomorrow (today-wednesday in digest land)!!! For those of you going to the Austrian/German/Brussels concerts over the next two weeks, please post anything you find out!!! especially what merchandise is actually available, what the prices for merchandise are, what the music is, your reviews, personnel, opinions, comments/complaints about Jerome's hair, etc. etc. (roughly in that order :-) lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2482 Re: edgar and money Plumer, Scott Tue 4/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 9:55 am Subject: Really-From: 'Martynas Storasta' unsubscribe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 12:59 pm Subject: D:List and guidelines Really-From: Vic Rek Lars stated: > >Dreamers >Having finally concluded the first segment of the D:List, we start this >week with the D:List, Addendum. A GIANT round of applause to Scott Plumer >for managing the first segment!!! Yeah Scott! I guess I'll be your >'D'-jay (or is it 'E-jay'??) until Vic Rek takes over with the D:List, >Solo Works in mid-June. The Solo segment will carry us through into 1998. Scott - If you still have the energy for this, could you post the statistics for the D:List, that is, the number of e-mails posted for each album discussed? Again, thanks for your efforts! >For you newcomers to Tadream, the D:List (at least as I understand it!) is >an opportunity for everyone interested to concentrate our discissions on >one Tangerine Dream album/CD each week. Some guidelines that need to be mentioned from time to time... When discussing the topic of the week, please reply by stating in the subject header D:topic, so we can keep track of the discussion. So, this week's will be D:70-80. Also, try not to include other topics (unless relevant to the topic), a separate posting would be better. Thanks, Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: THE KEEP, by F. Paul Wilson Really-From: Steven Feldman Just thought I'd mention that I'm halfway through the novel the Michael Mann movie, THE KEEP, came from. So far, it's a real page- turner but has little that the movie did that makes any significant difference except for the fact that this Molasar guy turns out (so far, at least) to be the root of the vampire legend, having been a Romanian boyar from the 1400's who was under the rule of Vlad (Tepes) the Impaler. In this regard, my reaction is whoop-dee-doo and thank God Michael Mann changed this so that Molasar, instead, was a neato effects creation--in effect, a metaphorical science fictiony vampire instead of a regular one. (I am no fan of the vampire genre, NEAR DARK notwithstanding.) So far, 'Glaeken' has only been referred to as 'Glenn' (and the the name of the actor in the movie was Scott Glenn!). He has red hair instead of dark brown hair. The only thing in the book that is much better than the movie is the relationship between the two German officers, which is shown to be an ongoing power struggle with a back-story and everything. -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 1:41 pm Subject: Near Dark and Franke Really-From: PERREAULT JOCELYN Chris Franke is the major influence in this album and you can defenitely hear it ! Songs #9 and 10 are his trademark. The major part is this album is excellent. But i don't know if it's TD who mixed the CD or Varese Sarabande because ALL of the songs you hear are NOT the original songs. Just put good headphones and play it loudly and you will hear the REAL beat of the song. Songs who are not modified: #5-#8-#9-#10 Songs who are mofied (or they fade out de beat) : all the rest. In song #7, it's more tuff to hear it but in the beginning, there's a melody who was fade out. Song #6, it's the beat who are fade out....... I don't understand why the fade out was mediocre like that. And that's why i think thoses things was not done by TD. If it's Varese, they do a good job to modify the song to give a more dark, unbeat effect. jo fd591858@e... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Forget Jerome, Here's Some ROCKOON Bashing Really-From: Steven Feldman I played side two of ROCKOON (well, the second half as it fits on a tape, since my CD player is kaput) last night for the first time in a couple of weeks and noticed that it's even worse than I remembered it. Is it me or is 'Spanish Moss,' 'Lifted Veil,' 'Body Corporate,' and 'Penguin Reference' truly as bad as most of side two of OPTICAL RACE (the only exception being 'Sun Gate,' of course)? -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2475 Re: Forget Jerome, Here's Some ROCKOON Bashing Brian_Kirby@p... Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 1:29 pm Subject: Ultima Thule Really-From: Mark Edmonds Anyone actually got this 45 and can tell us about it please? Thanks, Mark Edmonds Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3998 Ultima Thule Alexander Bjelke Mon 5/19/1997 2 KB 9227 Ultima Thule John Von Pey Tue 12/2/1997 4 KB 9404 Ultima Thule neil vanlaten Fri 12/12/1997 3 KB 9411 Re: Ultima Thule DJS Fri 12/12/1997 3 KB 9412 'Paris Edge' - Live 1986 Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 12/12/1997 3 KB 9427 Re: 'Paris Edge' - Live 1986 Dave Brewer Sun 12/14/1997 4 KB 9413 Re: Ultima Thule Jim Moore Sat 12/13/1997 3 KB 9415 Re: Ultima Thule KRAUSENECKS Sat 12/13/1997 3 KB 9419 Re: Ultima Thule DJS Sat 12/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 1:57 pm Subject: Original Heartbearkers Really-From: Michael A Jean Its nice to see people making an effort to find stuff for others... I know there not readily available, but what's the big deal about the original Virgin versions...I have both the Virgin LP and CD and they sound the same as the reissue... Mike J From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 1:28 pm Subject: Re: D:Addendum, week of April 7 Really-From: Mark Edmonds In article <199704080911.EAA20216@c...>, tadream mailing list writes >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >D:List, Addendum; Week of April 7 > >70-80 box set > >Enjoy! > >PS: will someone this week please talk about the three 'tangentized' things >from Encore that are on this set? Thanks I'm dying to know! Hmmm, terrible box design, excellent booklet, reasonable compilation from what I remember but I don`t think it has any Electronic Meditation in it. If memory serves correctly, at that time Virgin didn`t have the rights and you could only get EM on expensive imports - maybe on the Brain label from Germany? I don`t know what you mean about the 'tangentized' things because I haven`t got Tangents - its just too damn expensive - 60?! Are they kidding? But you could be refering to the three unreleased tracks which I think are on record C of 70-80. I haven`t listened to them for a while now and don`t have the records in front of me so this is from memory: The first track is by Froese - maybe called 'Barrelhouse Walk' - someone correct me on that one. It is guitar based, a slow clean sound picked riff with synth layers on top which I think date the track to Stratosphere. It's a pretty decent track. Second track is by Franke and is great! Chimes and Chains is a driving synth rocker in the Force Majeur sound (I think C & C also dates from 1979) and demands to be played very loud! Third track by Baumann: I really can`t remember the name of it but it could be 'Haunted House' because that's what it makes me think of. Its a spooky little number and again is quite good. It follows Chimes and Chains quite well in the record sequence which gives this particular side of 70-80 a real nice feel. Someone please correct of confirm the song titles and other things I wasn`t sure on. Mark Edmonds From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 1:35 pm Subject: Re: 70/80 Das MADCHEN Really-From: Mark Edmonds >Really-From: Michael A Jean > >I don't who who these people are but they reportedly have the 70/80 Box, >and the Das Madchen 12', 7' and DAYDREAM 7' for sale... Err, that reminds me of an age old question someone might be able to answer. My Das Madchen 12' (German Virgin label) states quite clearly on the label that it should be played at 33.3rpm but this is a little odd given its a 12 incher. Having played it at both 45 and 33.3 rpm, I cannot work out which is the correct speed! Can any tell me please? Thanks, Mark Edmonds From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 2:02 pm Subject: Re: Forget Jerome, Here's Some ROCKOON Bashing Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: Steven Feldman Rockoon bashing? Where do I sign up? >Is it me or is 'Spanish Moss,' 'Lifted Veil,' 'Body Corporate,' and >'Penguin Reference' truly as bad as most of side two of OPTICAL RACE >(the only exception being 'Sun Gate,' of course)? Nope, Rockoon is worse. I was writing a review of Goblin's Club for the latest issue of Beyond the Horizon (I thought the one in the last iss was a tad too brief on the subject), and I put on Rockoon for some historical perspective. I tried, everyone, really I did. But after 'Red Roadster,' things went downhill rapidly. Real rapidly, in fact. The disc got pulled before I got close to where side 2 would have been. I'll give it a try in another five years or so. -B. Kirby PS - I love OR, btw. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 2:29 pm Subject: Re[2]: D:Addendum, week of April 7 Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: Mark Edmonds >The first track is by Froese - maybe called 'Barrelhouse Walk' - someone >correct me on that one. It's actually 'Baryll Blue'. -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 2:50 pm Subject: PLEASE stop the HTML Really-From: 'Dave Lane' 'Plumer, Scott' wrote: [several articles, each containing dozens of lines of HTML code] Scott, You probably don't realize it, but your articles are pretty annoying to read for anyone without your mailer. If you can turn off the HTML generation it will be a big improvement. Thanks. --Dave NP: Zappa, Shut Up N Play Yer Guitar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 2:51 pm Subject: Re: D:Addendum, week of April 7 Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Apr 8, 2:28pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: D:Addendum, week of April 7 > Really-From: Mark Edmonds > (...) > > The first track is by Froese - maybe called 'Barrelhouse Walk' - someone > correct me on that one. It is guitar based, a slow clean sound picked Barryl Blue. > riff with synth layers on top which I think date the track to > Stratosphere. It's a pretty decent track. > > Second track is by Franke and is great! Chimes and Chains is a driving > synth rocker in the Force Majeur sound (I think C & C also dates from > 1979) and demands to be played very loud! > > Third track by Baumann: I really can`t remember the name of it but it > could be 'Haunted House' because that's what it makes me think of. Its a Haunted Height. > spooky little number and again is quite good. It follows Chimes and > Chains quite well in the record sequence which gives this particular > side of 70-80 a real nice feel. > > Someone please correct of confirm the song titles and other things I > wasn`t sure on. > > Mark Edmonds Done. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 2:43 pm Subject: What's Goblin Club like? Really-From: Mark Edmonds I don`t know if I am alone in this but I have felt a distinct decline in quality of TD's music over the last few years. Sure, there have been moments in the recent albums but nothing which has made them really stand out in my view. I place the start of the decline to when the line up became the two Froeses together with that guitarist and sax player. I don`t want to start a potential flame war here but I find that guitarist tedious in the extreme and the sax player too middle of the road. Put some cayenne pepper in there please!! However and back to the point, I normally buy any TD album as soon as it comes out but have broken the mould with Goblin's Club so would appreciate any views on it. Is it a ground breaker in the way for example Optical Race was after the Jive-electro period or does it follow on in the style of Tyranny of Beauty? My hopes are that TD are in a lame patch before hitting stride again as happened after they broke with Virgin (great era), signed with Jive- electro (mediocre) and then came back with a bang with Optical Race. Mark Edmonds Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2484 What's Goblin Club like? ESCORT Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2485 Re: What's Goblin Club like? Sean Montgomery Tue 4/8/1997 4 KB 2489 Re: What's Goblin Club like? Vic Rek Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2493 Re: What's Goblin Club like? feldon@n... Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2564 Re: What's Goblin Club like? Mark Filipak Fri 4/11/1997 4 KB 2647 Re: What's Goblin Club like? Mark Edmonds Mon 4/14/1997 6 KB 2656 Re: What's Goblin Club like? Craig R. J. Cordrey Mon 4/14/1997 9 KB 2680 Re: What's Goblin Club like? Mark Filipak Tue 4/15/1997 3 KB 2787 Re: What's Goblin Club like? PNaunton@a... Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 3:38 pm Subject: Re: 70/80 Das MADCHEN Really-From: Vic Rek At 02:35 PM 4/8/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Edmonds > Having played it at both 45 and 33.3 rpm, I >cannot work out which is the correct speed! Can any tell me please? The correct speed is 45 rpm, even though you can listen to it at 33.3 rpm also. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 3:55 pm Subject: Quality VS mass appeal Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' I've been wondering about something lately: anyone has the sales figures of the various TD albums? I would be interested to see those numbers and compare them with *our* perception of the quality, i.e. if 'Tangram' is almost universally liked, did that show in the sales level or are we (I mean us TaDramers) having a perception of what we like unlike that of the general population? (Which of course, includes some Yanny -- yecch! -- lovers, I assume...) C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2486 Re: Quality VS mass appeal Sean Montgomery Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 3:47 pm Subject: RE: edgar and money >Armin wrote: >where else can you hear them talking to the audience, and what >do they have to say? In Aachen, Germany, Jan. 21st 1981, Edgar >grapped a microphone after the first set just to remind us that >we could buy T shirts outside (as documented on the fantape, beside >my and my cousin's chat). Were they running out of money? This is the same show at which they wore gorilla costumes, correct? Were they drunk? :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 4:01 pm Subject: Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal? Really-From: Sean Montgomery > locating some TD CDs can be damn frustrating at times! What we go > through to satisfy out TD habit. When I first started buying TD albums, this wasn't as big of an issue. The Virgin stuff was still around, they had not begun spinning out several soundtracks every year on various small labels, and The Jive stuff was getting fair distribution. That all changed though. And now I find myself buying new TD material on sight, partly because I want it of course, but also because I never know how soon it'll vanish! I was shocked to see that albums like Miracle Mile are now selling as $26 imports around here in Toronto. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2487 Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big de dbrewer@a... Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2490 Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big de Sean Montgomery Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 4:28 pm Subject: What's Goblin Club like? Really-From: ESCORT <113015.2637@c...> I agree with you on your statements about TDs music. By far the greatest line up was the Froese, Franke, Schmoelling. Since the departure of Chris Franke i have found the music sounding the same from album to album. I still love Tangerine Dream and they will always be the no.1 band for me but i take your point. Linda Spa has now left the band and there is a new member on keyboards so lates wait and see for the next Dream. e-mail me. Is there anything youve not got, i might be able to help and vice/versa. seeya Chris Towers From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 4:38 pm Subject: Re: What's Goblin Club like? Really-From: Sean Montgomery > I don`t know if I am alone in this but I have felt a distinct decline in > quality of TD's music over the last few years. Oh, you're not alone here. Complaint over the quality of TD's recent output is the grease in which the wheels of this discussion list turn. The first album by TD taht I bought was Underwater Sunlight, which proved to be somewhat unfortunate timing, because you could pin the beginning of a sea change in TD quality right there. Since then, there's been Miracle Mile, Quinoa, Dream Mixes....and then a few scattered good tracks here and there. It's not that hard for me to make compilations of Tangerine Dream music these days. It's not like I *want* to listen to the entire albums very often (I tried this with Destination Berlin a couple of weeks ago...still sounds cheesy). As for Goblin's Club, it's better than Tyranny of Beauty, but a disappointment after Dream Mixes. The songs are often choppy sounding; they switch directions without rime or reason, the melodies are so-so, the guitar work is okay but not testicle-grabbing, the drumming remains quite mediocre. After a few short months, it has taken its place beside 'Turn of the Tides' in the 'Most Unplayed TD Album of Recent Times' sweepstakes. While most people here hate it, I still like 'At Darwin's Motel' though. But one track? Same thing with Tyranny. After Catwalk, there ain't much going on. The current situation -IMHO- is that TD is just sifting through a lot of options as it strives to define itself for the 90s. From an artistic (and sales) point of view, it would have been unwise for them to close down development after 1975. Tangerine Dream is a band that arose because of a special set of circumstances (the musical climate in Germany; the invention of cheaper, more reliable synthesizers; Froese's astute decision not to ape more gifted conventional rock bands). The situation has changed, and so TD continues to change. The reappearance of Zlatko Perica doesn't sound encouraging, but I continue to hope for a new blast of inspiration from the band. You never know when it'll issue from the Froese's fingertips. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 4:51 pm Subject: Re: Quality VS mass appeal Really-From: Sean Montgomery > I've been wondering about something lately: anyone has the sales figures > of the various TD albums? I would be interested to see those numbers > and compare them with *our* perception of the quality The TDIFC, back in 1990 or so, put out sales figures, and I seem to recall that the top five were (not in order here) Phaedra, Stratosfear, Underwater Sunlight, Optical Race, and Force Majeure. Since then, I think Rockoon and 220 Volt have leaped into the top five. So much for quality. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 5:14 pm Subject: Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal? Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Sean Montgomery > > also because I never know how soon it'll vanish! I was shocked to see > that albums like Miracle Mile are now selling as $26 imports around here > in Toronto. > (I assume that's expensive; I'm not sure how a $Can compares to a $US) That's probably partly due to the fact that all of the Private Music titles, except the compilation, are out of print. That was a copy on PM you saw, right Sean? Luckily, I got my copies quite some time ago, I haven't seen anything on PM in my area for a long time. Dave Brewer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2490 Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big de Sean Montgomery Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 5:19 pm Subject: The Keep Really-From: AslanFan1@a... If anyone is interested in this CD, please email me off list Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2491 Re: The Keep Sean Montgomery Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2541 Re: The Keep feldon@n... Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB 2937 Re: The Keep Becki Aquino Tue 4/22/1997 2 KB 8707 The Keep Lawry Simm Fri 11/14/1997 2 KB 8896 Re: The Keep Lawry Simm Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB 8905 Re: The Keep Plumer, Scott Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB 8915 Re: The Keep Michael Fox Thu 11/20/1997 4 KB 9094 Re: The Keep TangerineC@a... Wed 11/26/1997 3 KB 9098 Re: The Keep Plumer, Scott Wed 11/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 5:22 pm Subject: Re: What's Goblin Club like? Really-From: Vic Rek At 12:28 PM 4/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: ESCORT <113015.2637@c...> > >I agree with you on your statements about TDs music. By far the greatest >line up was the Froese, Franke, Schmoelling. By far? I recall a pretty good lineup including Froese, Franke, and Baumann that created some legendary EM music. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 5:30 pm Subject: Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal? Really-From: Sean Montgomery > (I assume that's expensive; I'm not sure how a $Can compares to a $US) $26 Canadian is around the $19-$20 US range. Compare to the $10 US cost of most new disks here, and it looks damned pricey. Mircale Mile was the first compact disk that I ever bought, actually! I know that Private just got bought by Windham Hill, so I assume all of the albums will get re-released. I wonder if they'll have the same cover art? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 5:32 pm Subject: Re: The Keep Really-From: Sean Montgomery > If anyone is interested in this CD, please email me off list I'm assuming that this is the bootleg version? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 6:20 pm Subject: Re: LEGEND & HEARTBREAKERS CDs: what's the big deal? Really-From: feldon@n... At 10:14 AM 4/8/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: dbrewer@a... > > >> Quoted From: Sean Montgomery >> >> also because I never know how soon it'll vanish! I was shocked to see >> that albums like Miracle Mile are now selling as $26 imports around here >> in Toronto. > >(I assume that's expensive; I'm not sure how a $Can compares to a $US) $7 American = $10 Canadian. If he is giving that figure in Canadian dollars, the CD is $18 in US Dollars. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 6:23 pm Subject: Re: What's Goblin Club like? Really-From: feldon@n... At 01:22 PM 4/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Vic Rek > > >At 12:28 PM 4/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Really-From: ESCORT <113015.2637@c...> >> >>I agree with you on your statements about TDs music. By far the greatest >>line up was the Froese, Franke, Schmoelling. > >By far? I recall a pretty good lineup including Froese, Franke, and Baumann >that created some legendary EM music. >Vic He said Froese, Franke, Schmoelling was the greatest line-up, not the only great line-up. I don't know if I agree with this... My top three albums are Phaedra, Logos (the whole concert), and Force Majeure. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 11:20 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #883 Really-From: 'Obispo' Hi all, I'm disposing of my 30 year old vinyl collection and I have some Tangerine Dream and TD-related albums for sale. If interested, please e-mail me offlist at obispo@p... Here are the albums graded on a 1-10 scale: 1) Michael Hoenig - Departure From The Northern Wasteland, Warner Bros 1978, grade 9, played very little 2) Tangerine Dream - Alpha Centauri, English Import, Polydor, 1971 green label w/ two virgins, grade 8, vinyl great, some cover wear 3) Tangerine Dream - Stratosphere, Virgin Import, 1976 green label w/ two virgins, grade 8, gatecover, vinyl vg 4) Tangerine Dream - Stratosphere, Virgin US, 1976, cut-out grade 7, gatecover, spline damage but vinyl is ex 5) Tangerine Dream - Cyclone, Virigin US, 1978, grade 9, cutout 6) Tangerine Dream - Phaedra, Virgin Import (label with twins and lizard), 1974, grade 9, gatecover, cover wrapped in plastic, vinyl ex. 7) Tangerine Dream - Rubycon, Grade 6, Virgin Import (label w/ twins and lizard), 1975, cover wear, slight scuffing on record but plays through with little pop or scratch. 8) Tangerine Dream - Force Majeur, Grade 7, Virgin US, 1979, cut out, cover needs to be re-glued at top and bottom, viinyl is in very good shape. 9) Tangerine Dream - Richochet, Grade 9, Virgin US, 1979, some wear on spline but otherwise excellent condition. 10) Tangerine Dream - Tangram, Grade 9, Virgin US, 1980, cutout, some wear on spline but otherwise excellent condition. 11) Tangerine Dream - Exit, Electra label, Grade 9, 1981, Excellent condition. 12) Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack, Grade 8, 1981, Vinyl excellent condition, some spline damage to cover. 13) Tangerine Dream - Zeit, Grade 9, Virgin Import, green label with two virgins, 1976, gatecover, vinyl is excellent. 14) Edgar Froese - Aqua, Grade 8, Virgin Import (twin label with lizard), 1974, vinyl and cover vg w/some writing inside gatecover. Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 6:28 pm Subject: AMP Really-From: Michael Fox Bonehead said:>I happened to be flipping through the TV at about 1:30 AM Sunday PST and >noticed that MTV was doing some interesting electronic music videos.>> The show you saw is called AMP. It's on MTV Sun. 1-2a EST (US). Some cool stuff on there, indeed. My fave has been a band called dhs and the cut is God's House. So, those in the states, set your VCR and groove. Then it's back to 23 hrs of Rap and other --ah--'music'. MIke Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2522 Re: AMP anunes@m... Wed 4/9/1997 2 KB 2561 AMP Michael Fox Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 6:33 pm Subject: jerome bashing Really-From: Michael Fox >lars >(who did appreciate hearing both your story and Greg's too!) > >PS: now forming, the Jerome fan-club > Hey Lars! I got a great marketing idea! 'Jerome-wigs'! Sell 'em at the concerts--imagine looking out to a crowd of coifs 2' high! A great money-maker! A must-have for anyone in the JFC. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 6:35 pm Subject: Rockoon Really-From: Michael Fox >Rockoon bashing? Where do I sign up? > Now here is a REAL dissapointment. What were they thinking to release this mess? Trying to get out of the PM contract? MIke Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 19632 Rockoon PENFOLD Tue 12/7/1999 1 KB 19678 Re: Rockoon Michael A Jean Thu 12/9/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 6:44 pm Subject: wankers Really-From: Michael Fox >Really-From: globetec@m... > > >Please Remove From Mailing List >http://www.globetech.co.uk > I checked out these wankers page. The products link doesn't work so who knows what they do. CHeap advertising ploy disguised as annoyance? Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 7:43 pm Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze on MTV? Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-04-08 12:07:18 EDT, you write: << I happened to be flipping through the TV at about 1:30 AM Sunday PST and noticed that MTV was doing some interesting electronic music videos. All of a sudden they displayed a credit and it was Klaus Schulze! I think the song title had something to do with moods for vocoders or something like that, and what I remember of the video kept featuring a close-up of a Mini-Moog. There were many other artists also. At 2:00 the show ended and went back to the usual fare. Anyway, maybe Dream Mixes will be on next weekend. >> you are correct...this is mtvs new attempt at being avante garde...the program is on on saturdays (actually sun) at 1:00 am est...its is called amp, and has shown some decent videos of 'electronic' artists, including haslinger, kraftwerk, aphex, etc...last saturday they did in fact show vocoders in the dark by klaus, who was misnomered as klause schultze...btw, the show is repeated fridays (actually sat) at 2:00 am est...enjoy...(no i am not associated with this program or channel) tom w np: ryuichi sakamoto - smootchy From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 8:07 pm Subject: Hello! Really-From: Alexander Bjelke Hi everybody! As an new subscriber to this mailinglist I will introduce myself: My name is Alexander and live in Norway, and I am very new to music of Tangerine Dream. I have heard very little of Tangerine Dream’s production so fare, but that might change in the future…. As a big fan of Jean-Michel Jarre and a subscriber of the Jarre mailinglist I have often heard Tangerine Dream mentioned, and since it seems that Tangerine Dream and Jarre is musically «related»(?) to each other. I want to hear a lot more of Tangerine Dream than I have today. The problem is: where do I start?? I have «Underwater Sunlight» and «Goblins Club», «Underwater Sunlight» was ok, but Goblins Club was a bit disapointing…(I hope you don’t take this as swearing in the church….). I heard «Alpha Centauri» at a CD-store yesterday, but it seems like rather «difficult» music (seems like alot of noise and not so much music). But I have heard alot of soundclips of different albums at the official Tangerine Dream website, and a lot of them sounds very cool, especially «Stratosfear», which I am going to buy very soon…. Do you have other suggestions of «classics» that would be a nice introduction into the world of Tangerine Dream? Best regards Alexander Replies Name/Email Yahoo! 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