From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 8:30 pm Subject: New saleslist Jarre mailing list , SM mailng list Really-From: Peter van Dam <106631.3071@c...> Hello all, I have prepared a new saleslist of interesting LP and CD items. The list contains about 400 mainly second-hand electronic/progressive /avant-garde items. Lots of Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk, Jarre and YMO items are present, but also avant-garde/modern classic items. If you want a list, and if you are not yet in my mailinglist, please ask for it. My address is 106631.3071@c... Greetings, Peter van Dam From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 8:40 pm Subject: Re: Hello! Really-From: dbrewer@a... Let me be the first to say, 'Welcome, Alxeander!' You've just stepped into a most interesting world. Yeah, Stratosfear is one of the good ones. Underwater Sunlight is one of my personal favorites. I don't think Goblins Club is bad, but it could be better. Judging by your thoughts on Alpha Centauri, you probably don't want to get any albums from 1970-73 (yet), but you might like Green Desert (which is from '73) because it's a little different from the other stuff they did around then. (and it's another of my favorites) > Do you have other suggestions of Ťclassicsť that would be a nice > introduction into the world of Tangerine Dream? I'd say try Encore (a live album with some themes from Stratosfear in it), Tangram, Ricochet, Poland (try to find the 2 CD version) and Logos Live for starters. This is in no particular order, since I really like just about everything they've done (at least if I'm in the mood for it). But these are a few that stick out in my head. Good hunting! Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 8:39 pm Subject: Re: Hello! Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: Alexander Bjelke >Do you have other suggestions of =ABclassics=BB that would be a nice >introduction into the world of Tangerine Dream? = Well, you've certainly opened up Pandora's Box with your very first post,= = haven't you? ;) It would seem from the info you gave that you would probably enjoy most o= f the = stuff that came out on the Virgin label. I would heartily recommend thes= e gems = from that era: Phaedra Logos Tangram Encore Force Majeure You're sure to get a whole bunch of answers from other listers, none of w= hich = will be the same. But just so you're clued in, I am the ultimate authori= ty on = this, and nobody else knows what they're talking about. Don't listen to = them, = as their only goal is to lead you down the path to the seventh circle of = hell...Yanni. Supreme know it all (and facetious champion), B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 5:01 am Subject: Re: 70/80 Das MADCHEN Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Edmonds > > >Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > >I don't who who these people are but they reportedly have the 70/80 Box, > >and the Das Madchen 12', 7' and DAYDREAM 7' for sale... > > Err, that reminds me of an age old question someone might be able to > answer. My Das Madchen 12' (German Virgin label) states quite clearly on > the label that it should be played at 33.3rpm but this is a little odd > given its a 12 incher. Having played it at both 45 and 33.3 rpm, I > cannot work out which is the correct speed! Can any tell me please? > > Thanks, > > Mark Edmonds Ignore previous e-mail if recieved oops :-) My version also German Virgin (S 600 651) 30cm Super sound single (they don't do inches in Germany) clearly states 45rpm on the sleeve but 33rpm on the actual record. It should be 45 rpm. If you want to know what it should sound like have you not heard White Eagle from the album of the same name, its basically the same track. Personally I prefer the Das Machden Mix. Gaza. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2516 Re: 70/80 Das MADCHEN Plumer, Scott Wed 4/9/1997 3 KB 2563 Re: 70/80 Das MADCHEN Mark Filipak Fri 4/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 9:45 pm Subject: Re: Hello! Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Alexander, adding slightly to the good recommendations done by Brian and Dave, you may also look into 'Le Parc', which was released in 1985, just before Underwater Sunlight; a very good album that gives you a variety of themes (several short tracks). Also, I strongly recommend 'Rubycon', originally released in 1975, after 'Phaedra' and before 'Stratosfear' but about the same time as the 'live' album 'Ricochet' (the 'live' applies to the fact that Ricochet is actually a seamless composite of several performances, mixed in a studio with perhaps a few re-recorded lines added for good measure). Steven Feldman (a member of this list) recently released his latest version of his 'Pocket Discography': perhaps he will be kind enough to e-mail it to you. Welcome to the list. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 10:07 pm Subject: Come'n Out With The Truth Really-From: Greg Heil Hey.. I'm a tad upset here.. You are making me feel guilty about liking Yanni's music.. I like almost ALL of Tangerine Dream.. as well.. And I'm only 18 years old.. So you can call me a true rebel, because I don't abide by the teenage laws so scribed by Music Television.. Still, I've found more people my age who like Yanni than T-dream.. and they tend to be quite smart, more sensitive, artistically inclined, and better friends. Sometimes, I just want to come down to Earth after all that space travel! Greg... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2507 Re: Come'n Out With The Truth Brian Frick Tue 4/8/1997 4 KB 2509 Re: Come'n Out With The Truth Greg Heil Wed 4/9/1997 4 KB 2510 Re: Come'n Out With The Truth Brian Frick Wed 4/9/1997 3 KB 2511 Re: Come'n Out With The Truth Sean Montgomery Wed 4/9/1997 3 KB 2515 Re: Come'n Out With The Truth Plumer, Scott Wed 4/9/1997 3 KB 2523 Re: Come'n Out With The Truth Brian Frick Wed 4/9/1997 2 KB 2524 Re: Come'n Out With The Truth dbrewer@a... Wed 4/9/1997 4 KB 2526 Re: Come'n Out With The Truth Brian Frick Wed 4/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 10:36 pm Subject: Re: Come'n Out With The Truth Really-From: Brian Frick tadream mailing list wrote: > Hey.. > > I'm a tad upset here.. > > You are making me feel guilty about liking Yanni's music.. Well, you shouldn't feel guilty if that's what you like. It's the sense of pride that the list has which is a bit intollerant of elevator music. I know what it's like. > I like almost ALL of Tangerine Dream.. as well.. Me too :) > And I'm only 18 years old.. > So you can call me a true rebel, because I don't > abide by the teenage laws so scribed by Music Television.. I've been listening to TD and getting hell for it for 6 or 7 years. I'm 19 now (just turned 19). My friends laugh and say who the hell is that? What a dumb name! What kind of crap is this? and the like :) I just deal with it. > Still, I've found more people my age who like Yanni than T-dream.. > and they tend to be quite smart, more sensitive, artistically inclined, > and better friends. I think you should try to get them to enjoy the good stuff. Yanni is a bit boring, in my opinion. He's run out of ideas. Anything past a few of his first albums is just love themes for Linda Evans, in my opinion. But realise that it's MY opinion! You have yours, and I respect that. > Sometimes, I just want to come down to Earth after all that space > travel! Well, Yanni is a downer, that's true :) Just kidding. Rip me up if you will, but in a way I support your argument, although I may disagree with the premise. Hope I didn't tick you off, and I did not intend this letter to be a flame. -- Later! -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Hello! Really-From: Matt Williams >Really-From: Alexander Bjelke >Hi everybody! >As an new subscriber to this mailinglist I will introduce myself: >My name is Alexander and live in Norway, and I am very new to music of >Tangerine Dream. I have heard very little of Tangerine Dreams >production so fare, but that might change in the future. >As a big fan of Jean-Michel Jarre and a subscriber of the Jarre >mailinglist I have often heard Tangerine Dream mentioned, and since it >seems that Tangerine Dream and Jarre is musically related(?) to each >other. I want to hear a lot more of Tangerine Dream than I have today. >The problem is: where do I start?? I have Underwater Sunlight and >Goblins Club, Underwater Sunlight was ok, but Goblins Club was a bit >disapointing(I hope you dont take this as swearing in the church.). I >heard Alpha Centauri at a CD-store yesterday, but it seems like rather >difficult music (seems like alot of noise and not so much music). But >I have heard alot of soundclips of different albums at the official >Tangerine Dream website, and a lot of them sounds very cool, especially >Stratosfear, which I am going to buy very soon. >Do you have other suggestions of classics that would be a nice >introduction into the world of Tangerine Dream? > >Best regards >Alexander Hi Alexander, It sounds like you may have the same kind of taste as me as far as TD goes if that is right I would recomend any of the early 80s albums such as Logos,Thief,Tangram and White Eagle as far as the early ones go I would say Ricochet and Rubycon are the best....as for the new ones I would keep away until you have sampled the vintage TD albums then you might like to try albums like 220 Volts(my fave 90s TD album) or maybe Dream Mixes if you don't mind a more up tempo sound!. But I would say get Logos and White Eagle first! Matt..... MATTHEW WILLIAMS EMAIL: matt@s... 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 8, 1997 11:25 pm Subject: Re: Come'n Out With The Truth Really-From: Greg Heil (A) list which is a bit intollerant of elevator > music. > I only have the Acropolis album.. I like it, but I know the other stuff of his is 'elevator like'. > I've been listening to TD and getting hell for it for 6 or 7 years. I'm > 19 now (just turned 19). My friends laugh and say who the hell is > that? What a dumb name! What kind of crap is this? and the like :) > Unlike with other things, no matter what friends say, I never lose any interest or respect for Tangerine Dream. I love playing The end part of Poland and 'Song of the Whales Part 1' LOUD at my sister's apartment complex. It's just too hard to get people into Tangerine Dream because it takes a lot of time, and a lot of time alone to concentrate on the music. The radio music today is built on 'gimmicks' that evoke a liking to the song in it's first play.. really, a group has to to do that to be able to get air play... if the songs are beyond shallow.. than there is no hope for a short radio play life. Although sometimes, I think if they played 'Stratosfear 1995' on the radio, they're might be an interest. (The original was pretty simple, and the new edition adds a 'rock' type feel to the song) > Yanni is a > bit boring, in my opinion. He's run out of ideas. Anything past a few > of his first albums is just love themes for Linda Evans, in my opinion. > But realise that it's MY opinion! You have yours, and I respect that. > I don't mind what other people think.. Unless somebody starts cursing at me for being on the list because of my musical tastes! > > Sometimes, I just want to come down to Earth after all that space > > travel! > > Well, Yanni is a downer, that's true :) Just kidding. Not the album I have--at least `=o) > Rip me up if you will, but in a way I support your argument, although I > may disagree with the premise. > > Hope I didn't tick you off, and I did not intend this letter to be a > flame. Not upset at all, but then I'll get into how I like Flamenco music.. and Acoustic Alchemy.. *ka-boom* :) T-Dream is the best though! Greg.. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 2:06 am Subject: Re: Come'n Out With The Truth Really-From: Brian Frick tadream mailing list wrote: > (A) list which is a bit intollerant of elevator > > music. > > > I only have the Acropolis album.. I like it, but I know the other stuff > of his is 'elevator like'. I too have Acropolis, although you on the list might flame me for this one ;-) > Unlike with other things, no matter what friends say, I never lose any > interest or respect for Tangerine Dream. Good! > It's just too hard to get people into Tangerine Dream because it takes a > lot of time, and a lot of time alone to concentrate on the music. Absolutely. No one wants to listen to a 20 minute song anymore. Don't know why? Lack of patience? I don't know. Anyone else have any ideas? > I don't mind what other people think.. Unless somebody starts cursing at > me for being on the list because of my musical tastes! I hope that's not going to happen here. I mean, I send a few messages now and then, and no one's ever mentioned my sig file :) If anyone else wants to comment, feel free... (prod, prod). :) -- Later! -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2511 Re: Come'n Out With The Truth Sean Montgomery Wed 4/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 7, 1997 4:28 pm Subject: Re: Come'n Out With The Truth Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > It's just too hard to get people into Tangerine Dream because it takes a > > lot of time, and a lot of time alone to concentrate on the music. > > Absolutely. No one wants to listen to a 20 minute song anymore. Don't > know why? Lack of patience? I don't know. Anyone else have any ideas? I don't think it's a matter of 20 minute songs. In my early days of TD obsession, I pressed tapes with pieces like White Eagle and Kiew Mission into the hands of friends, and still received indifference. I think it just takes a certain type of mind to respond to this stuff. Part of my interest in TD stemmed from being exposed to progressive rock and electronic music at a fairly early age, and deciding on my own that it was interesting to listen to. Too many people listen to the same kind of Top 40 music because it provides a common listening experience akin to a religious ceremony. Those who listen to TD find the spirit in the music itself. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 7:58 am Subject: Re: Hello! Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > > Hi everybody! Hi Alexander. Welcome! > As a big fan of Jean-Michel Jarre ... Which JMJ albums do you especially like? This will help us help you. > Underwater Sunlight was ok ... > Goblins Club was a bit disapointing ... > Alpha Centauri ... seems like rather difficult music ... Sounds like you're going to fit right in! > Do you have other suggestions of Ťclassicsť that would be a nice > introduction into the world of Tangerine Dream? I personally prefer any of the albums from 78 to 84: Force Majeure, Pergamon, Tangram, Exit, White Eagle, Logos, Hyperborea, Poland, plus almost all of the others. I have an Introduction to TD I could send you. I'm doing a major rewrite but if you don't mind the mess, you may find some worth in it. Let me know if you want me to send it to you. Regards and enjoy the show! -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 2:52 pm Subject: Re: Hello! Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >Stratosfear, which I am going to buy very soon. Good idea. As a JMJ fan you might want to chase up Stuntman by Edgar Froese which proves that Edgar can actually write tunes (or could, once).... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 07/04/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 9:12 am Subject: neat stuff found Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers I was out shopping for swapping today and getting the April 'Mojo' to read about TD when I stumbled upon two interesting tidbits I thought I'd share: Tangerine Dream 'Towards the Evening Star' Promotional Video 3:30, Vanderquest / Castle Comm. PAL Since it's PAL I won't be able to watch it without getting it converted :-( I don't know whether it's from Goblin's Club or what... Anyone out there with any ideas? A very nice tour program from the October 1975 UK Tour (When they played Coventry Cathedral, etc.) It's got some nice stuff, an article on TD's contribution to modern music, an interview with the band and one with Franke, an article titled 'The National Sound of German Rock' (I have to read this before the Mojo article!!) and an article on the electronic equipment. Really nice with some great orgasmotron artwork on the cover... if anyone is interested, I could post a 'short' summary or any of the juicy bits. See Rich, I got my fix, now I'm OK again for the moment.. (shake, shake, twitch, twitch) Lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2568 Re: neat stuff found Lars R. Jones Fri 4/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 12:14 pm Subject: Re: Come'n Out With The Truth >What a dumb name! What kind of crap is this? and the like :) But Korn, Marilyn Manson, and Garbage are OK? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 12:11 pm Subject: Re: 70/80 Das MADCHEN >My version also German Virgin (S 600 651) 30cm Super sound single (they >don't do inches in Germany) clearly states 45rpm on the sleeve but 33rpm >on the actual record. It should be 45 rpm. If you want to know what it I have that as well, but I play it at 33. 'Flock' and 'Speed' appeared in the film 'The Soldier' at 33 rpm, and I think they sound better that way. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 12:26 pm Subject: Artwork album Really-From: PERREAULT JOCELYN Hi! If you look to older cover, they are all mysterious and very experimental. But when you look to Goblin's Club and the inside photo, you want to cry. What the hell is that. I think it's they worst artwork never done. The photography are very bad. thank you much, i feel better! jo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2518 Re: Artwork album Craig R. J. Cordrey Wed 4/9/1997 3 KB 2532 Re: Artwork album Sean Montgomery Wed 4/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 8:42 pm Subject: Re: Artwork album Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: PERREAULT JOCELYN > > If you look to older cover, they are all mysterious and very experimental. > But when you look to Goblin's Club and the inside photo, you want to cry. > What the hell is that. I think it's they worst artwork never done. The > photography are very bad. > There certainly has been a change in the art style over the years, just like the music. I think the last great (IMHO) TD-style (IMHO) cover was Optical Race. That's partly based on the novel way the colours are 'behind' the picture, on a different part of the inlay. Since then, there seems to have been a much more standard approach to the artwork, with the band appearing more often than not. I assume this has something to do with Monique having less to do with this side of things, and more 'professional' companies being brought in. I wonder who's decision it was to do that? Record company? TD's? Monique? Yeah, I know, only speculation, and we'll never really know. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: About that 'Towards the Evening Star' Promo Video... Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: neat stuff found >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:12:29 -0400 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >Tangerine Dream 'Towards the Evening Star' Promotional Video 3:30, >Vanderquest / Castle Comm. PAL >Since it's PAL I won't be able to watch it without getting it >converted :-( Just *buy* the F-ing thing. Conversions can be done stateside for next to nothing if you know where to go. Go to an Asian video store and it'll cost less than $5. Also, most universities' language departments use institutional VCRs that can play stuff in NTSC, PAL, *and* SECAM! -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 2:07 pm Subject: Near Dark,Classic Introductions Really-From: Alan Justrabo >Subject: Near Dark and Franke > >Really-From: PERREAULT JOCELYN > >Chris Franke is the major influence in this album and you can defenitely >hear it ! Songs #9 and 10 are his trademark. The major part is this album >is excellent. Salut! I agree, I enjoyed the film and I especially thought that the music, though 'different' for Tangerine Dream, really affected the film and is great on its own. I also enjoyed Chris' strong input in the music. >Subject: Hello! >Really-From: Alexander Bjelke >Do you have other suggestions of Ťclassicsť that would be a nice >introduction into the world of Tangerine Dream? Hi Alexander! You will get many opinions of where to begin (one of the great things of Tangerine Dream is their diversity, and of this mailing list is the diversity of the tastes of the members) but IMHO : > Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet would be an excellent place to begin (also add 'Encore' and 'Force Majeure'-sorry to half-quote your signature, Vincent, but it was so appropriate :) Al From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 10:58 pm Subject: Re: Hello! Really-From: anunes@m... Hi Alexander and welcome to the list! My favorite TD albums were already mentioned by another members of the list, but considering I am also a Jarre fan, perhaps my tastes could be not very different from yours. So, these are my favorites: Tangram, Hyperborea, Logos, and Force Majeure. I was also disappointed with Goblins Club. It sounds to me just like a sampler of different artists. Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 11:15 pm Subject: Re: AMP Really-From: anunes@m... Does anyone know if AMP is also on MTV Europe? Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 4:58 pm Subject: Re: Come'n Out With The Truth Really-From: Brian Frick tadream mailing list wrote: > > >What a dumb name! What kind of crap is this? and the like :) > But Korn, Marilyn Manson, and Garbage are OK? > > Scott *lol* that's what I think ;-) I don't understand people these days (my own peers :) ) -- Later! -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 6:00 pm Subject: Re: Come'n Out With The Truth Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Greg Heil > > Hey.. > I'm a tad upset here.. > You are making me feel guilty about liking Yanni's music.. Sorry! I have to admit, the Acropolis concert kinda surprised me when I saw it on PBS. And there are actually a couple of his songs played on the radio that that I think are pretty good. But all in all, his music is a little too sugary for me to buy. BTW, I like Enya, and she's another artist that tends to get bashed here! Actually, I started listening to Enya a little while before I discovered TD. (really only because her stuff was being played on the radio and TD's wasn't; circa 1988) Don't ask me why I think Yanni is too sugary and Enya's not, 'cause I don't know. :-/ > > I like almost ALL of Tangerine Dream.. as well.. There isn't an album in my 50+ TD CD collection that doesn't get played at least a couple of times a year. And NO, it's not to remind myself 'this album sucks!', it's for the mood I'm in. And when I get in the mood for 'Journey Through a Burning Brain', watch out! :-) > And I'm only 18 years old.. > So you can call me a true rebel, because I don't > abide by the teenage laws so scribed by Music Television.. Well, I'm 24 (not too much older), and I don't care too much for MTV myself. (unless I can catch that AMP show; never seen it yet!) > Sometimes, I just want to come down to Earth after all that space > travel! Yeah, then I turn to Rock music. Not much of the stuff that's been coming out the last few years, but more of the 'classic' rock, like the stuff I grew up on. Then there are times I want to listen to Mozart, but I don't think that's so strange for a TD fan... Is it?? Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 6:42 pm Subject: webcast again? Really-From: Michael A Jean Well it seems their gonna try it again! MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2533 Re: webcast again? Sean Montgomery Wed 4/9/1997 2 KB 2534 Re: webcast again? Brian Frick Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB 2535 Re: webcast again? Sean Montgomery Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB 2536 Re: webcast again? Brian Frick Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB 2553 Re: webcast again? Stefan Stapelberg Thu 4/10/1997 5 KB 2625 Re: webcast again? Klaus Beschorner Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB 2628 Re: webcast again? feldon@n... Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB 2632 Re: webcast again? Greg Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB 2634 Re: webcast again? Robert Grabowsky Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 7:08 pm Subject: Re: Come'n Out With The Truth Really-From: Brian Frick tadream mailing list wrote: > Well, I'm 24 (not too much older), and I don't care too much for MTV > myself. (unless I can catch that AMP show; never seen it yet!) Well worth catching. Good show. Although they tend to play more popular, vocalised techno... > Then there are times I want to listen to Mozart, but I don't think that's > so strange for a TD fan... Is it?? Absolutely not! :) Great stuff... -- Later! -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 8:10 pm Subject: no TD Really-From: Michael Fox >Not upset at all, but then I'll get into how I like Flamenco music.. and >Acoustic Alchemy.. *ka-boom* :) Hmm. Well here we go again. I really enjoy Acoustic Alchemy also. I've seen them 3 times and was fortunate to interview them for a radio show I did. Very nice blokes AND they played 2 unreleased tunes (into the recorder) for me during the interview! Yanni was pretty big with the audience of the show, but I tired easily as time went on. The show ran from 88-94 and I played a lot of TD, also. Mike and his $o.2 worth From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 12:54 pm Subject: D: 70-80 tangentized track(s) Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... Dreamers OK, so I don't own the box--a friend of mine does. I listened to part of this a few weeks ago. By tangentized tracks, I assume you mean the stuff from Encore. The only readily apparent tangentized track appears to be monolight--where the liner notes explicitly mention that Edgar recreated the track as a 'single' version in the studio. I prefer the original. The other two tracks from Encore that appear on 70-80 have reduced track times--at least on the record label itself. The other three tracks that have been referred to are solo-penned tracks--froese, franke, baumann. Liner notes indicate previously unreleased. I believe each track is from a different studio and a different year--76, 77, 78 or 77,78,79. --teiwaz From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 9:07 pm Subject: hello again.. Really-From: Alexander Bjelke Hello again! I must thank you all for answering my requsest yesterday, I really appriciated it :-) It looks like I am going to my CD-store bying some TD albums this weekend, and it seems that it is going to be some albums of the Virgin years. It will definitely buy Stratosfear, not sure which other album I will pick up. A good thing is that TD albums are pretty cheap :-) Take care Alexander (forthcoming dreamer) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 6:20 am Subject: Cd's and boots. Really-From: Kim Pedersen Hello everybody! Could someone here help¨me with reviews and opinions on these cd's: Burkhardt, Martin/Schmoelling, Johannes - (Der) Zaubergeiger Settembrini [Germany/CD] $21.95 angerine Dream - 20th Century Serenades [Germany/CD] $24.95 Tangerine Dream - Ardem 'O' [Germany/CD] $24.95 Tangerine Dream - Coefficient Of Aural Expansion [Europe/CD] $39.95 Tangerine Dream - (The) Coefficient Of Aural Expansion Part 2 [Europe/LtdEdCD-R] $39.95 Tangerine Dream - Collected Endings [Germany/CD] $24.95 Tangerine Dream - (The) Keep (OST) [Germany/CD] $26.95 angerine Dream - Ratikon [Germany/CD] $24.95 Tangerine Dream - Rockoon [USA/SplEdCD-single] $9.95 Tangerine Dream - Shepherd's Bush [UK/LtdEd2TrkCD] $18.95 Tangerine Dream - Sol Et Luna (Mystery Tracks II) [Germany/CD] $24.95 Tangerine Dream - Sound And Effects [Germany/CD] $24.95 Tangerine Dream - Soundtrax [Europe/LtdEdCD-R] $39.95 Tangerine Dream - Spherical Harmonics One [Germany/CD] $24.95 Tangerine Dream - Spherical Harmonics Part 2 [Europe/LtdEdCD-R] $39.95 Tangerine Dream - 3 Tier Dream [UK/3CD] $89.95 Tangerine Dream - 3 Tier Dream On! [UK/CD] $22.95 Korg 01w users group:http://www.sysedata.no/~kimp E-mail:kimp@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2539 Re: Cd's and boots. Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 4/10/1997 3 KB 2540 'Horror & Suspense' Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB 2543 Re: Cd's and boots. feldon@n... Thu 4/10/1997 3 KB 2545 Re: Cd's and boots. feldon@n... Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB 2552 Re: Cd's and boots. Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB 2589 Ken Alexander Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 4/12/1997 2 KB 2638 Re: Ken Alexander Lon Lowen Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB 2547 Re: Cd's and boots. TangerineC@a... Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB 2556 Re: Cd's and boots. Ken Alexander Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 9:34 pm Subject: Re: 70-80 tangentized track(s) Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... > > By tangentized tracks, I assume you mean the > stuff from Encore. The only readily apparent tangentized track appears > to be monolight--where the liner notes explicitly mention that Edgar > recreated the track as a 'single' version in the studio. I prefer the > original. The other two tracks from Encore that appear on 70-80 have > reduced track times--at least on the record label itself. You misunderstand 'tangentized'. The tangentized encore tracks means the tracks on the tangents (73-83) 5CD-box released in 94 by virgin. They are rerecored by Edgar Froese: track 1: desert dream track 2: monolight (single theme) track 3: monolight The 3rd track is the only one to be mentioned. The rerecording style is like the tyranny of beauty version of stratosfear (76) ('stratosfear 94'(germany) or 'stratosfear 95' (US)). The basic material was the middle part of the original encore track. Edgar adds a heavy loaded bass sequence to it and speeds it up (ca. 5%). The sound quality is a bit better than the encore SBM but not (what I mean with) pretty good. But it puts a smile on your lips ! > The other three tracks that have been referred to are solo-penned > tracks--froese, franke, baumann. Liner notes indicate previously > unreleased. I believe each track is from a different studio and a different > year--76, 77, 78 or 77,78,79. The 3 mentioned unreleased 70-80 box tracks are on the 'sol et luna' (sun and moon) mystery tracks II bootleg. Chimes & chains (CF) and haunted heights (PB) are brilliant. I think Edgars track (baryll blue) was recorded for his ages album (78). For those who like 'ages' 'baryll blue' is maybe not bad. The best part of the 70-80 box is the tangram track. This LP version has a better sound quality than all other tangram releases (incl. the SBM CD). Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2544 Re: 70-80 tangentized track(s) feldon@n... Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 9:31 pm Subject: Re: Artwork album Really-From: Sean Montgomery > If you look to older cover, they are all mysterious and very experimental. > But when you look to Goblin's Club and the inside photo, you want to cry. I totally agree! The Private-era covers weren't bad (better than the Jive-Electro ones, certainly), but things have gone downhill in a hurry. The Goblin's Club cover is a lame Photoshop pastiche, with poorly-chosen fonts and entry-level graphic design on the inside. You'd think a band with TD's tradition of interesting album imagery could do better. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 10:00 pm Subject: Re: webcast again? Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Well it seems their gonna try it again! Indeed. April 18, the Frankfurt Concert. Having had a couple of experiences with this kind of thing, I am somewhat skeptical. Especially here on the other side of The Big Pond, I would be surprised if we see much. It certainly won't be real-time video and stereo sound. Wait for the CD, I'd say! -Sean Montgomery From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 10:51 pm Subject: Re: webcast again? Really-From: Brian Frick tadream mailing list wrote: > > Well it seems their gonna try it again! > > Indeed. April 18, the Frankfurt Concert. Does anyone know what channel this one's going to be on? Where do I go for information? Thanks! -- Later! -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2535 Re: webcast again? Sean Montgomery Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 11:03 pm Subject: Re: webcast again? Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Does anyone know what channel this one's going to be on? Where do I go > for information? Go to the TD Homepage, my friend! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 11:36 pm Subject: Re: webcast again? Really-From: Brian Frick tadream mailing list wrote: > > Does anyone know what channel this one's going to be on? Where do I go > > for information? > > Go to the TD Homepage, my friend! Send flames my way for total stupidity :) -- Later! -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: tapes for trade / sale Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) Hello, I'll repeat this offer just this one time, because my internet connection has had some severe trouble recently. Please send offers _only_ to klaus@i... Hi fellow tape collectors (and those who want to start to...) >From a trade that I messed up I have 9 C90s sitting around filled with the following. The best decent money or swap offer (e.g. 'The Brick' or some SBM CDs) by next Friday (April 13) will get the whole bunch. For once, watch your reply buttons and send your offers to me, not to the list. Just for this one time, pleaaaaase ;-) HOENIG, MICHAEL --------------- . .77 Berlin RIAS.............................................. 27 7 R TANGERINE DREAM - LIVE ---------------------- . .72 unknown concert 1972/73................................. 35 7 R 13.03.75 Melbourne Dallas Brooks Hall............................. 84 7 11.02.76 Amsterdam RAI-Congresscentrum............................ 100 7 27.10.76 München Cirkus-Krone-Bau................................. 94 7 28.11.76 Toulouse Centre Culturel................................. 91 7 VANGELIS -------- 19.06.78 Paris.................................................... 121 7 27.05.79 Brussels Cirque Royal.................................... 78 7 R 07.11.86 Los Angeles Royal Hall................................... 90 8 18.06.91 Rotterdam................................................ 45 8 R -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 3:11 am Subject: Another Angel.. Really-From: Michael Fox We lost another angel today. Laura Nyro passed away today at age 49, of ovarian cancer. N.P. New York Tendeberry----'Stone Soul Picnic', 'Farmer John', From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 9:17 pm Subject: Re: Cd's and boots. Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 08:20 AM 4/10/97 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: Kim Pedersen > > >Hello everybody! > >Could someone here help¨me with reviews and opinions on these cd's: >Burkhardt, Martin/Schmoelling, Johannes - (Der) Zaubergeiger Settembrini >[Germany/CD] $21.95 >angerine Dream - 20th Century Serenades [Germany/CD] $24.95 [..... snip......] Kim, this looks like a list we all know and love. The source is reliable. I have dealt with him several times, with total satisfaction. Der Zaubergeiger Settembrini is a fairy tale spoken in German with Johannes' music accompaniment. Not my cup o' tea. You can have my copy for $10. In pristine condition -- I listened to it once. The 01.08.87 Berlin Reichstag (part 1 + 3 tracks from Bristol 06.11.90) is 'Antartktis,' while part 2 makes up '20th Century Serenade.' These are excellent quality and the first I got about 2 years ago. Personally, I like them. The three tracks for Bristol are repeated with he rest of the Bristol Concert on the 'In Den Garten Pharaos'/'Bicycle Race' boot, also available. Very good quality, but not excellent. As to the others, I recommend a visit to the only official unofficial archive at: www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/tdboots.htm where hard work by Klaus Beschorner's on this list has been accumulated. It is the most complete list of ratings, descriptions, and commentaries. Non plus ultra, by my reckoning. Also on Ranjit's Web site, the TD listings have many from your list described and rated. Quite accurately, I might add. But definitely not all. Once you do a bit of homework, it's quite possible that others will be interested in helping you further. Good luck. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 9, 1997 9:54 pm Subject: 'Horror & Suspense' Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' 'Horror & Suspense' will be frequently listed as a Steve Jolliffe album. In fact, of the 35 tracks, some of which are 0.14 minutes long (yeah, zero.point.one.four), 11 are Steve's, the others being Simon Benson and Mark Thomas. Once I got over my initial disappointment, I actually enjoyed listening to the kind of snippets one hears in horror movies. Some of if is quite creepy. But be aware what you are buying.... and be prepared to listen to some cacophony at times. The longest tracks are Steve's and are not bad at all. Can hardly wait for Halloween. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 4:25 am Subject: Re: The Keep Really-From: feldon@n... At 01:32 PM 4/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > >> If anyone is interested in this CD, please email me off list > >I'm assuming that this is the bootleg version? Is there any other? Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 4:47 am Subject: Recommendations about TD purchases... Really-From: feldon@n... At 10:07 PM 4/8/97 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > > >Hi everybody! > >The problem is: where do I start?? I have ŤUnderwater Sunlightť That's good... >and ŤGoblins Clubť That's not so good... >But >I have heard alot of soundclips of different albums at the official >Tangerine Dream website, and a lot of them sounds very cool, especially >ŤStratosfearť, which I am going to buy very soon. Well, Tangerine Dream has a total of 70 CDs and I've heard *almost* all of them. If you want dreamy ambient stuff, get Phaedra. My favorite album. If you want more organized music with a beat but still very analogue and sweet sounding, try the Logos:Dominion concert and the Poland concert (not quite as sweet sounding, but still a great double album). If you are looking for more modern Tangerine Dream, but not as disorganized as Goblin's Club, check out 220 Volt Live. Be aware that this concert and the last 7 years of Tangerine Dream have used Saxophone and Electric Guitar on top of synthesizers as well as real drums. In contrast, Tangerine Dream between 1974 and 1986 rarely used any of this stuff. Edgar uses regular guitar at times and even a harmonica has sneaked onto a track! If you are interested in hearing what Tangerine Dream sounds like when they intentionally re-mix their music into a Dance Mix type of album, try 'Dream Mixes'. It was an experiment to the extreme, and yet, it has found popularity even among TD fans who refuse to buy any TD albums made after 1986. I do like this album and it's in my top ten (very low on my top ten, but anyway...) I sometimes talk about the time between 1986 and 1990 as not the greatest years for Tangerine Dream. Why? Because they totally switched from using big keyboards, sequencing machines and other huge equipment (which made very rich, sweet, and *thick* sound) to much simpler (and in my opinion, much more limited) synthesizers and Atari controllers. In the years between 1969 and 1984, Tangerine Dream prided themselves on going out and FINDING the equipment necessary to create new sounds. Or recorded their own sounds/sound effects. Then, all of a sudden, from 1986-1990, they switched to this Atari stuff and suddenly they limited themselves to using the instruments that came with the system. Maybe I'm off-base and totally removed from the facts. If so, someone please correct me! Hope this has been more helpful than confusing... Morgan Marks feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2549 Re: Recommendations about TD purchases... Mark Edmonds Thu 4/10/1997 3 KB 2559 Re: Recommendations about TD purchases... Marcel Engels Thu 4/10/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 5:00 am Subject: Re: Cd's and boots. Really-From: feldon@n... At 08:20 AM 4/10/97 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: Kim Pedersen > > >Hello everybody! > >Could someone here help¨me with reviews and opinions on these cd's: >Tangerine Dream - Rockoon [USA/SplEdCD-single] $9.95 >Tangerine Dream - Shepherd's Bush [UK/LtdEd2TrkCD] $18.95 Rockoon single is good for one thing: there's a 15 minute interview with Edgar on it. Sheperd's Bush is $18.95 for 14 minutes of music. >Tangerine Dream - Spherical Harmonics One [Germany/CD] $24.95 >Tangerine Dream - Spherical Harmonics Part 2 [Europe/LtdEdCD-R] $39.95 >Tangerine Dream - 3 Tier Dream [UK/3CD] $89.95 >Tangerine Dream - 3 Tier Dream On! [UK/CD] $22.95 Sorry, haven't heard these. Actually, I would greatly appreciate it if someone were to also send me some opinions on these four b**ts... Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 5:03 am Subject: Re: 70-80 tangentized track(s) Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:34 PM 4/9/97 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > >> Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... >> >> By tangentized tracks, I assume you mean the >> stuff from Encore. >You misunderstand 'tangentized'. >The tangentized encore tracks means the tracks on the tangents (73-83) >5CD-box released in 94 by virgin. Actually, Jens, I think the term 'tangentized' seems to have taken on a more broad meaning---referring to any TD album which has later been fiddled around with by Edgar. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 5:18 am Subject: Re: Cd's and boots. Really-From: feldon@n... At 09:17 PM 4/9/97, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >As to the others, I recommend a visit to the only official unofficial >archive at: > > www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/tdboots.htm > >where hard work by Klaus Beschorner's on this list has been accumulated. Actually, this site appears to be down. It says it's been moved to another server, but that server seems to be down. Morgan feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2552 Re: Cd's and boots. Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB 2589 Ken Alexander Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 4/12/1997 2 KB 2638 Re: Ken Alexander Lon Lowen Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 5:19 am Subject: Steve Jolliffe Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) Sort of TD content... Can anyone comment on Steve Jolliffe's 'Zanzi', especially compared to 'Aliens' Thanks in advance Larry Smith Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2548 Re: Steve Jolliffe Paul Nagle Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB 35198 Steve Jolliffe DAVKAUFMAN@a... Sat 8/3/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 7:06 am Subject: Re: Cd's and boots. Really-From: TangerineC@a... www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/tdboots.htm When I type that in, it says Not Found On This Server. What does this mean? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 2:59 pm Subject: Re: Steve Jolliffe Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >Can anyone comment on Steve Jolliffe's 'Zanzi', especially compared to >'Aliens' Loved Zanzi, hated Aliens. In Zanzi Steve doesn't do that 'flute grunting' thing that he seems to like. It's just one long (almost an hour I think) electronic track. The best thing he's ever done, IMHO. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 07/04/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 8:42 am Subject: Re: Recommendations about TD purchases... Really-From: Mark Edmonds >Really-From: feldon@n... > > > >In the years between 1969 and 1984, Tangerine Dream prided themselves on >going out and FINDING the equipment necessary to create new sounds. Or >recorded their own sounds/sound effects. Then, all of a sudden, from >1986-1990, they switched to this Atari stuff and suddenly they limited >themselves to using the instruments that came with the system. > >Maybe I'm off-base and totally removed from the facts. If so, someone please >correct me! > > What are you talking about?! Basically, the transition you refer to is the switch to MIDI. The Atari stuff was just the sequencing software and has nothing to do with the sounds which come from independent synths. Wasn't Tyger was the first album where this was mentioned? Anyway, as someone who does their own MIDI synth stuff, I have consistently marvelled at how brilliantly TD used sounds - there is NEVER an incident I can think of where they have not used the right sound for the job - their voicings are nearly perfect! In my mind, this is one of the greatest strengths of their PM albums and why I listen to them so much. Mark Edmonds From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Funny Noises 1997 Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... In view of TD's recent remixing activities, I though that a remix of the 'Funny Noises' list might be in order. After all, it's about two years since I last posted it, and I've had some more insights into this key TD topic, and spring is in the air, and isn't it just grand to be alive? :-) TANGERINE DREAM TOP 15 FUNNY NOISES - 1997 15. 'Wobbly saw' - White Clouds 14. 'I often did I often did...' - No Mans Land 13. 'Gongs in an aviary' - Tangent (final section) 12. 'Howling dogs in the desert' - Phaedra 11. 'Iron filings in a washing machine' - Catwalk 10. 'YOM!! YOM!!' - Catwalk 9. 'Extremely fast bald head slapping' - Poland 8. 'Oyoyoyoyoy' - Alchemy of the Heart 9. 'Do-wah do-wah do-wah' - Ricochet Part Two 8. 'Dodgy plumbing' - Coldwater Canyon 7. 'Werr-werr-wehhr' - Monolight, Dominion, Purple Waves 6. 'Lough-eim. Lough-eim' - Network 23 5. 'Te! te! te! Te! te! te!' - White Eagle 4. 'Chick-chickerchi-gah!' - Song of the Whale Part Two 3 'Fast German speech' - Mojave Plan 2. 'Fast German speech with 'dog sneeze' ending' - Ricochet Part One 1 'Hicha-hicha-hicha why-kah!' - Logos Part One Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2551 Re: Funny Noises 1997 Mark Edmonds Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB 2558 Re: Funny Noises 1997 Marcel Engels Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB 2560 Re: Funny Noises 1997 dbrewer@a... Thu 4/10/1997 3 KB 2569 Re: Funny Noises 1997 anunes@m... Fri 4/11/1997 2 KB 2572 Re: Funny Noises 1997 Greg Heil Fri 4/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 11:10 am Subject: Re: Funny Noises 1997 Really-From: Mark Edmonds >Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... >6. 'Lough-eim. Lough-eim' - Network 23 To me, that has always sounded like 'Brown Ale, Brown Ale'. Anyone got any other suggestions for the intro to Network 23? -- Mark Edmonds From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 8:32 am Subject: Re: Cd's and boots. Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 12:18 AM 4/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: feldon@n... > > >At 09:17 PM 4/9/97, you wrote: >>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > >>As to the others, I recommend a visit to the only official unofficial >>archive at: >> >> www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/tdboots.htm >> >>where hard work by Klaus Beschorner's on this list has been accumulated. > >Actually, this site appears to be down. It says it's been moved to another >server, but that server seems to be down. > >Morgan >feldon@n... > My bookmark marked: http://www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/tdboots.html just got me there. You must have caught the server on a bad-hair day. :-( Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2589 Ken Alexander Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 4/12/1997 2 KB 2638 Re: Ken Alexander Lon Lowen Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 10:34 pm Subject: Re: webcast again? Really-From: 'Stefan Stapelberg' Sean Montgomery wrote: >Indeed. April 18, the Frankfurt Concert. Having had a couple of >experiences with this kind of thing, I am somewhat skeptical. Especially Hi Sean, there are a some major differences between the last and the coming LiveCast: - The London NetCast was Video+Audio, which IMHO is not possible to a broader audience using today's network infrastructure, especially here in Europe. - The Frankfurt LiveCast will be RealAudio only. I personally think that for a TD concert it is much more important to have a reliable audio signal only rather than having dark pictures of what could be a stage and significant drop-outs on both, the video and the audio stream. We probably will show some photographs from the concert simultaneously, but there will be no moving pictures. - The last NetCast was fouled up, but later has been called a big success with 70.000 participiants by the company in charge for the event, although they couldn't show any logfiles to proof their claims. - This NetCast is made by RENT-A-GURU, TD's Web Service Provider. We do not make money, rather we spent money with this event. We make this LiveCast for you, the fans of TD, who may be unable to attend one of the concerts here in Europe. We clearly state _before_ the event, that we probably can feed approximately 300 to 400 clients with our system using 28.8 Mono format for the audio signal, although we have a server which is able to serve ten times this # of clients (the bottleneck is the bandwidth of the server). We do not insist that it will be a success. Being humans only, there may be unforseeable trouble with the equipment, the ISDN connection to the server, the Internet connection from the server to the clients, the system hardware or the load on the net. I also may be killed today by a bus when crossing roads. However, if it fouls up again, I will be fully responsible, not TD, not the Telcom, not the Internet, not the ISP nor the bus driver. >here on the other side of The Big Pond, I would be surprised if we see >much. It certainly won't be real-time video and stereo sound. Wait for >the CD, I'd say! Regarding the signal quality, we have decided to use 28.8 Mono format to allow people with only 28.8 connections to connect to the stream. Using mono we can improve sound quality over that of the stereo format. But you are right: Although - thanks to our sponsor - the server has an exclusive 10 Mbps connection to the 34 Mbps backbone of our ISP, the transatlantic line clearly is the bottleneck. It's 'only' 6 Mbps and it is often heavily loaded. Sorry, but we looked for a sponsor who would propagate the stream in the U.S. but without luck so far. We have and will put great effort to make this a successful event. If you have the time, please join in, make your experiences and tell us about. We appreciate any comments you have to decide whether such live casts are useful services for the fan community while being restricted to use today's technology. Hope you will enjoy the concert, although it can't be transmitted in CD quality. Best regards, Stefan PS: The band has nothing to do with the LiveCast. They just do their performance as planned and only give permission to do a LiveCast of the concert and to promote it on their Web site. -- Stefan Stapelberg Fon: +49-9352-89948 RENT-A-GURU (TM) Fax: +49-9352-89949 P.O. Box 1358 http://www.netstore.de/ D-97803 Lohr/Main ============================================================================= + Join the Tangerine Dream LiveCast on the Internet at Apr, 18th! + + Visit http://www.netstore.de/tadream/livemusic/ + + Sponsored by RENT-A-GURU, NTG Xlink GmbH, Progressive Networks, EMG + ============================================================================= From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 9:33 am Subject: re: d:70-80 / encore trax Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Really-From: Mark Edmonds >>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >>D:List, Addendum; Week of April 7 >>PS: will someone this week please talk about the three 'tangentized' things >>from Encore that are on this set? Thanks I'm dying to know! >Hmmm, terrible box design, excellent booklet, reasonable compilation [snip] yeah yeah sorry I wasn't clear enough (although I did clearly say 'the three `tangentized' things from Encore'). I've had the box set for about 15 years and I know what's on it and I have the 3 solo unreleased tracks elsewhere but I haven't had a working turntable in about 10 years. Earlier this year in our discussions of Tangents and in helping Mark F. compile a tiny bit of his massive discography, I noticed that on the side of whatever disc it was in this box set with **the three Encore tracks** that it clearly says something like 'all tracks remixed by Edgar Froese' To my knowledge, this is the first example of 'tangentizing' in TD's ouevre and precedes tangents by about 15 years... (yes, there are a few other examples in between 1979/80 and 1994/5). I've raised the question on the list a few times but no completely definitive answers have been forthcoming. This is especially pertinent to our discussions of Tangents (upcoming on the D:list, addendum) because of all the controversy about remixing the 'sacred' Virgin years' material--when Froese has been doing it since 79/80... Mark, I appreciate your effort to help. Yet, like you (and me until January), most people really only think that the 'new' material on this set is just the 3 solo works, SORRY! The 'unreleased' material on this set is REALLY the 3 solo tracks (haunted heights, chimes & chains, and beryl blue) PLUS **the three REMIXED tracks from Encore**. What I want are some REAL answers about these 3 Encore tracks (since I can't listen to them myself). Are they just excerpts and not remixes? If so, from what time-mark to what time-mark has been excerpted from each of the 'real' Encore tracks? What is the extent of the remixing? Is one of these exactly the same as Monolight? How do they relate to any other singles from this period (like the 7' 'Encore'/'Hobo March' -- where 'Encore' does NOT say remixed by EF) How do they relate to the 'remixes' on Tangents?? Same excerpts or different?? To my knowledge, these three tracks are rather neglected in TDs discography. The 3 solo works appear on numerous CD boots but I've yet to find these Encore remixes on anything similar (and I'm beginning to wonder if anyone else has ever even looked at the label of the 70-80 Encore disc). I would be eternally grateful (and so would a few others) if someone with this set and a turntable (or the tapes!) and who has a fair knowledge of Encore (including the Monolight single) would please tell us exactly what is going on here. So, will someone PLEASE dust off you wax and play these trax?!!! thank you! thanks Lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2555 Re: d:70-80 / encore trax Lars R. Jones Thu 4/10/1997 4 KB 2557 Re: d:70-80 / encore trax Lars R. Jones Thu 4/10/1997 4 KB 2565 Re: d:70-80 / encore trax Mark Filipak Fri 4/11/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 9:33 am Subject: re: d:70-80 / encore trax Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Really-From: Mark Edmonds >>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >>D:List, Addendum; Week of April 7 >>PS: will someone this week please talk about the three 'tangentized' things >>from Encore that are on this set? Thanks I'm dying to know! >Hmmm, terrible box design, excellent booklet, reasonable compilation [snip] yeah yeah sorry I wasn't clear enough (although I did clearly say 'the three `tangentized' things from Encore'). I've had the box set for about 15 years and I know what's on it and I have the 3 solo unreleased tracks elsewhere but I haven't had a working turntable in about 10 years. Earlier this year in our discussions of Tangents and in helping Mark F. compile a tiny bit of his massive discography, I noticed that on the side of whatever disc it was in this box set with **the three Encore tracks** that it clearly says something like 'all tracks remixed by Edgar Froese' To my knowledge, this is the first example of 'tangentizing' in TD's ouevre and precedes tangents by about 15 years... (yes, there are a few other examples in between 1979/80 and 1994/5). I've raised the question on the list a few times but no completely definitive answers have been forthcoming. This is especially pertinent to our discussions of Tangents (upcoming on the D:list, addendum) because of all the controversy about remixing the 'sacred' Virgin years' material--when Froese has been doing it since 79/80... Mark, I appreciate your effort to help. Yet, like you (and me until January), most people really only think that the 'new' material on this set is just the 3 solo works, SORRY! The 'unreleased' material on this set is REALLY the 3 solo tracks (haunted heights, chimes & chains, and beryl blue) PLUS **the three REMIXED tracks from Encore**. What I want are some REAL answers about these 3 Encore tracks (since I can't listen to them myself). Are they just excerpts and not remixes? If so, from what time-mark to what time-mark has been excerpted from each of the 'real' Encore tracks? What is the extent of the remixing? Is one of these exactly the same as Monolight? How do they relate to any other singles from this period (like the 7' 'Encore'/'Hobo March' -- where 'Encore' does NOT say remixed by EF) How do they relate to the 'remixes' on Tangents?? Same excerpts or different?? To my knowledge, these three tracks are rather neglected in TDs discography. The 3 solo works appear on numerous CD boots but I've yet to find these Encore remixes on anything similar (and I'm beginning to wonder if anyone else has ever even looked at the label of the 70-80 Encore disc). I would be eternally grateful (and so would a few others) if someone with this set and a turntable (or the tapes!) and who has a fair knowledge of Encore (including the Monolight single) would please tell us exactly what is going on here. So, will someone PLEASE dust off you wax and play these trax?!!! thank you! thanks Lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 3:15 pm Subject: Re: Cd's and boots. Really-From: Ken Alexander > www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/tdboots.htm > When I type that in, it says Not Found On This Server. What does this mean? It means someone forgot the 'l' on the end. http://www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/tdboots.html works. In general, if you can't find a url that someone suggests, it is a good idea to try .html vs .htm, try lopping off the final component of the pathname and see if the person just renamed it, try any obvious alternate spellings, etc etc... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 9:33 am Subject: re: d:70-80 / encore trax Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Really-From: Mark Edmonds >>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >>D:List, Addendum; Week of April 7 >>PS: will someone this week please talk about the three 'tangentized' things >>from Encore that are on this set? Thanks I'm dying to know! >Hmmm, terrible box design, excellent booklet, reasonable compilation [snip] yeah yeah sorry I wasn't clear enough (although I did clearly say 'the three `tangentized' things from Encore'). I've had the box set for about 15 years and I know what's on it and I have the 3 solo unreleased tracks elsewhere but I haven't had a working turntable in about 10 years. Earlier this year in our discussions of Tangents and in helping Mark F. compile a tiny bit of his massive discography, I noticed that on the side of whatever disc it was in this box set with **the three Encore tracks** that it clearly says something like 'all tracks remixed by Edgar Froese' To my knowledge, this is the first example of 'tangentizing' in TD's ouevre and precedes tangents by about 15 years... (yes, there are a few other examples in between 1979/80 and 1994/5). I've raised the question on the list a few times but no completely definitive answers have been forthcoming. This is especially pertinent to our discussions of Tangents (upcoming on the D:list, addendum) because of all the controversy about remixing the 'sacred' Virgin years' material--when Froese has been doing it since 79/80... Mark, I appreciate your effort to help. Yet, like you (and me until January), most people really only think that the 'new' material on this set is just the 3 solo works, SORRY! The 'unreleased' material on this set is REALLY the 3 solo tracks (haunted heights, chimes & chains, and beryl blue) PLUS **the three REMIXED tracks from Encore**. What I want are some REAL answers about these 3 Encore tracks (since I can't listen to them myself). Are they just excerpts and not remixes? If so, from what time-mark to what time-mark has been excerpted from each of the 'real' Encore tracks? What is the extent of the remixing? Is one of these exactly the same as Monolight? How do they relate to any other singles from this period (like the 7' 'Encore'/'Hobo March' -- where 'Encore' does NOT say remixed by EF) How do they relate to the 'remixes' on Tangents?? Same excerpts or different?? To my knowledge, these three tracks are rather neglected in TDs discography. The 3 solo works appear on numerous CD boots but I've yet to find these Encore remixes on anything similar (and I'm beginning to wonder if anyone else has ever even looked at the label of the 70-80 Encore disc). I would be eternally grateful (and so would a few others) if someone with this set and a turntable (or the tapes!) and who has a fair knowledge of Encore (including the Monolight single) would please tell us exactly what is going on here. So, will someone PLEASE dust off you wax and play these trax?!!! thank you! thanks Lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 3:54 pm Subject: Re: Funny Noises 1997 Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Mark Edmonds > > > >Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... > > >6. 'Lough-eim. Lough-eim' - Network 23 > > To me, that has always sounded like 'Brown Ale, Brown Ale'. Anyone got > any other suggestions for the intro to Network 23? > Almost. To me it sounds like 'Brown Heil'. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 3:52 pm Subject: Re: Recommendations about TD purchases... Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > >Really-From: feldon@n... > > > > > > > >In the years between 1969 and 1984, Tangerine Dream prided themselves on > >going out and FINDING the equipment necessary to create new sounds. Or > >recorded their own sounds/sound effects. Then, all of a sudden, from > >1986-1990, they switched to this Atari stuff and suddenly they limited > >themselves to using the instruments that came with the system. > > > >Maybe I'm off-base and totally removed from the facts. If so, someone please > >correct me! > > > > Instruments that came with the Atari?? The first MIDI-synth came, I think, in 1981. No I have to disagree with you with this. As Mark Edmonds said, the Atari is just the sequencing-part. I use the Atari just as a multi-track recorder, where I record my parts. *But* there is this great mystique about the flashing leds on those old Moog- sequencer. I prefer to see those on stage then a monitor. Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 7:31 pm Subject: Re: Funny Noises 1997 Really-From: dbrewer@a... That's a great laugh, Glynn! Thanks, I needed that! > Qouted From: G.K.Naughton@i... > > TANGERINE DREAM TOP 15 FUNNY NOISES - 1997 > > 9. 'Do-wah do-wah do-wah' - Ricochet Part Two I hear 'Doy! Doy! Doy! Doy!...', there myself. > 6. 'Lough-eim. Lough-eim' - Network 23 I coulda sworn it was saying 'Yeah, right!...Yeah, right!' > 2. 'Fast German speech with 'dog sneeze' ending' - Ricochet Part One That's got to be the best name for a sound in the whole list! Now, here's my question: where can I find a keyboard with all these sounds as presets? :-) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 10:33 pm Subject: AMP Really-From: Michael Fox I found the time(s) for MTV's AMP. All times are EST/US. Euro MTV I don'tt know. Friday@9... Sat@2... Sun@1... Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 5:33 pm Subject: D: 70-80 / tangentized defined? Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... Dreamers >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >You misunderstand 'tangentized'. No, Jens--I did not misunderstand 'tangentized' as it is used on this list. Loosely translated 'tangentized' means 'updated'. I'll leave a more detailed translation for you as a homework problem. Lars asked for someone to review the three tangentized tracks from the 70-80 virgin box set. Let me reiterate from my memory (as poor as it is) of the liner notes. Monolight was recreated by E. in the studio as a sort of single version. As for the remaining two tangentized tracks to which Lars referred--I believe he meant the other two tracks on 70-80 from Encore since they do not appear to have the same track times as they exist on Encore--not the three solo-penned trax including chimes and b. blue and ???. Sol et Luna is a weak pirate--IMHO--lots of pops and crackles from vinyl and most of it has been available recently on CD e.g. Sorcerer. The redeeming feature of SetL is an 8 minute excerpt? of Oscillator [sp?] Planet Concert. I wouldn't recommend it. --teiwaz The 3 mentioned unreleased 70-80 box tracks are on the 'sol et luna' (sun and moon) mystery tracks II bootleg. Chimes & chains (CF) and haunted heights (PB) are brilliant. I think Edgars track (baryll blue) was recorded for his ages album (78). For those who like 'ages' 'baryll blue' is maybe not bad. The best part of the 70-80 box is the tangram track. This LP version has a better sound quality than all other tangram releases (incl. the SBM CD). Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 8:10 pm Subject: Re: 70/80 Das MADCHEN Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > >My version also German Virgin (S 600 651) 30cm Super sound single > >(they don't do inches in Germany) clearly states 45rpm on the sleeve > >but 33rpm on the actual record. It should be 45 rpm. If you want to > >know what it > > I have that as well, but I play it at 33. 'Flock' and 'Speed' appeared > in the film 'The Soldier' at 33 rpm, and I think they sound better > that way. > > Scott (Sorry everybody, but majordomo doesn't pass on Scott's address for some reason so I couldn't mail him off-list.) Hi Scott. So is my discography entry for the 12' below wrong? Should the catalog number be 'S 600 651' instead of '600 651-213'? Thanks for the correction if I'm wrong -- let me know please. Regards -- Mark DIE MELODIE AUS DEM GLEICHNAMIGEN TATORT (OST) [??? 82] - EF/CF/JS 1- Das Madchen auf der Treppe [3.50] 2- Flock [2.28] 3- Katja [3.01] 4- Speed [2.37] Reworked versions of WHITE EAGLE for the German TV series 'Tatort' 1-7' Tracks: Side 1: 1 / Side 2: 3 [1982] Virgin (DE) S 104-405-100 1-12' (45 RPM, marked 33-1/3 RPM) Tracks: Side 1: 1,2 / Side 2: 3,4 [1982] Virgin (DE) 600 651-213 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 10, 1997 7:17 pm Subject: Re: What's Goblin Club like? Really-From: Mark Filipak Has TD's music declined in quality? I don't think so. I don't like GC much, but there's a big difference between saying 'I don't like GC' (which I usually keep to myself) and saying 'I have felt a distinct decline in quality of TD's music' and, even more, wasting bandwidth posting an agreement with such sentiments. Point of fact: The tracks are as long or longer than most of those from albums after 85. Point of fact: The albums have more tracks and are longer overall than when they were during the years I prefer (71-84) -- of course this is due to the differences between LPs and CDs, but nonetheless is a fact. Point of fact: Number of Grammy nominations before 1991: zero. Number of Grammy nominations after 1990: seven (for what that's worth -- nothing in my opinion, but some people consider this significant). Point of fact: Some people -prefer- TD-lite. Opinion: TD music has never been so complex as it is now, with (too many?) changes and subthemes -- example: 'Darwin's Motel' -- all subject to opinion of course (I haven't counted the notes). Opinion: Edgar & co. are working as hard as ever and are being appreciated less by some people -- beauty is in the ear of the beholder. Opinion: GC isn't going to perform through-the-ear brain surgery on me like most of the pre-85 works do, but it's still much more interesting than 99% of all the music that is currently being released -- of the 24,000 CDs released last year, how many did you buy? Opinion: Below are some recent, worthless, opinion-presented-as-gospel posts -- I wish _they_ were half as good as GC is! __|_______ | Mark Edmonds wrote: I don`t know if I am alone in this but I have felt a distinct decline in quality of TD's music over the last few years... __|_______ | Chris Towers wrote: I agree with you on your statements about TDs music. By far the greatest line up was the Froese, Franke, Schmoelling... __|_______ | Go ahead and flame me if you like. I just wish some people would grow up and accept that there are differences of opinion and would stop spouting off like they're gods or the ultimate judges of TD. Go ahead and write that you don't like such-and-such and by all means, _why_ you don't like such-and-such, but have some respect for the rest of us and for the band. Regards -- Mark (now donning his asbestos suit) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2647 Re: What's Goblin Club like? Mark Edmonds Mon 4/14/1997 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 11, 1997 12:49 am Subject: Re: d:70-80 / encore trax Really-From: Mark Filipak Lars wrote: > > What I want are some REAL answers about these 3 Encore tracks ... Hi Lars (and anyone else who might be able to help). Below is what I have -- I've left off the list of media releases for brevity. Sorry, but I don't have 70-80 either. But the info I have is that tracks 10-12 are remixes. When you sort it out, would you relay the info to me? I'm very curious about what side 1 of the ENCORE/HOBO MARCH 7' (ie, 'Encore') really is. Thanks -- Mark ENCORE [Apr 77] North American Tour - EF/CF/PB 1- Cherokee Lane [16:22] 2- Monolight [19:36] 00:00 Pt.1 [4:10] 04:10 Pt.2 [3:24] 07:50 Pt.3 [12:20] 3- Coldwater Canyon [17:39] 00:00 Pt.1 [14:57] 14:57 Pt.2 [3:09] 4- Desert Dream [17:36] 00:00 Pt.1 [4:53] 04:53 Pt.2 [4:00] 08:53 Pt.3 [3:17] 12:10 Pt.4 [2:23] 14:33 Pt.5 [1:53] 16:26 Pt.6 [1:06] Actual times: trks 1-4 from Virgin, 7243 8 39443 2 3. Parts identified on promo version of Virgin/CBS, PZG 35014. [Mar 77] (assumed to be from tour rehearsal tapes) - EF/CF/PB 5- Monolight Pt.2 [3:17] (trk.2 excerpt; mono mix) 6- Monolight Pt.2 [3:17] (trk.2 excerpt; stereo mix) 7- Cherokee Lane [3:20] (trk.1 excerpt) 8- Desert Dream Pt.2? [4:00] (trk.4 excerpt) 9- Coldwater Canyon Pt.2 [2:41] (last 2:41 of trk.3, incl applause) 1-7' Tracks: Side 1: 5 / Side 2: 6 1-7' Tracks: Side 1: 6 / Side 2: 7 1-7' Tracks: Side 1: 6 / Side 2: 8 1-7' Tracks: Side 1: 6 / Side 2: 9 2-LP Tracks: Side 1: 1 / Side 2: 2 / Side 3: 3 / Side 4: 4 1-8T Tracks: 1-4 2-MC Tracks: Side 1: 1 / Side 2: 2 / Side 3: 3 / Side 4: 4 1-MC Tracks: Side 1: 1,2 / Side 2: 3,4 1-CD Tracks: 1-4 ENCORE/HOBO MARCH [1977 (predates AGES)] 1- Encore 2- Hobo March [4:25] (aka 'Ode to Granny A.') 1-7' [1977] Virgin (GB) VS 199A TANGERINE DREAM 1970-1980 1- Alpha Centauri [8:20] (excerpt) 2- Nebulous Dawn [6:30] (excerpt) 3- Wahn [4:31] 4- Phaedra [17:33] (extended) 5- Sequent 'C' [2:19] 6- Ricochet Pt.2 [21:13] 7- Rubycon Pt.2 [9:58] (excerpt) 8- Stratosfear [8:38] (excerpt) 9- Betrayal [3:41] 10- Desert Dream [3:47] (remix) 11- Cherokee Lane [8:16] (remix) 12- Monolight Pt.2 [3:14] (remix) 13- Search [2:56] 14- The Mountain Road [1:58] 15- Impressions Of A Sorcerer [2:55] 16- Barryl Blue [7:20] - EF 17- Chimes And Chains [4:45] - CF 18- Haunted Heights [6:10] - PB 19- Cloudburst Flight [7:21] 20- Madrigal Meridian [11:08] 21- Grind [2:57] 22- Tangram Set 1 [19:47] 4-LP Tracks: Side 1: 1-3 / Side 2: 4,5 / Side 3: 6 / Side 4: 7-9 / Side 5: 10-15 / Side 6: 16-18 / Side 7: 19-21 / Side 8: 22 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 11, 1997 6:32 am Subject: 70 80 Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' It really isn't mysterious this box. As I'm looking in the booklet, the only different tracks are: Monolight (re-produced by Edgar Froese at the Amber Studio Berlin). Baryll Blue (Froese 1978 at Amber Studio Berlin) Chimes and Chains (Franke 1979 at Polygon Studio Berlin) Haunted Heights (Baumann 1977 at Paragon Berlin) Monolight is not so good as on Encore, but the three unreleased tracks are great. Especially Frankes and Baumanns. Chimes and Chains is very uptempo with a nice played solo whereas Haunted Heights is a spooky track. The booklet also says: Tangerine Dream is also featured on: Ossiach Live (BASF compilation) 1971 V (Virgin compilation) 1974 Singles: 1966 The Ones - Lady Greengrass/Love of mine 1972 Tangerine Dream - Ultima Thule Parts I & II Some tracks on this box, as mentioned in Mark Filipaks letter, are shortened. I would buy the box for the booklet alone, there are more than a hundred pictures in it. No (small) CD-booklet can compete with that. Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 11, 1997 9:36 am Subject: action request Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@C...> dreamers could someone please resend me Thursday's digest V15 #885 -- or at least the last 6-9 posts? Thanks, the tail end of mine must have been lost in the down load, I only got the first 3-4 tapes on Klaus' swap offer post but no posts afer that. Lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2570 Re: action request Mark Filipak Fri 4/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 11, 1997 9:35 am Subject: re: neat stuff found Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Really-From: Steven Feldman >>Subject: neat stuff found >>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> [...] >>Tangerine Dream 'Towards the Evening Star' Promotional Video 3:30, [...] >>Since it's PAL I won't be able to watch it without getting it converted :-( >Just *buy* the F-ing thing. Conversions can be done stateside for >next to nothing if you know where to go. Go to an Asian video store and >it'll cost less than $5. --Thanks Steve. Don't worry; I've learned the hard way: **buy now** and ask questions later. Even if that means not eating for a day or two--I find forced fasting much less painful in the long run than skipping TD rarities/oddities. If I stay here long enough I just might lose my spare tire! lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 11, 1997 6:02 pm Subject: Re: Funny Noises 1997 Really-From: anunes@m... Yesterday I had a very amusing evening locating those funny noises. My favorite so far was the 'iron filings in a washing machine'. From now I certainly will have a good laugh every time I listen to Catwalk! Thanks Glynn for this hilarious noises list. Do you have already the 'Japanese quarrel' (beginning of Wahn, Atem) in it? :-) Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 11, 1997 12:17 pm Subject: Re: action request Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@C...> > > dreamers > could someone please resend me Thursday's digest V15 #885 -- or at > least the last 6-9 posts? ... Got it covered. Done. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 11, 1997 2:37 pm Subject: Indexes (non-TD) Does anyone know of a 'net-accessible database that indexes Der Spiegel and Stern? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 11, 1997 11:25 am Subject: Re: Funny Noises 1997 Really-From: Greg Heil > 14. 'I often did I often did...' - No Mans Land Or maybe.. hmm.. 'Captain Bu-Lay..Captain Bu-Lay.. > 11. 'Iron filings in a washing machine' - Catwalk Gotta check here... lets see.. I think I hear it!! But it's in the melody.. oops.. Okay.. I hear it :) hee hee > 10. 'YOM!! YOM!!' - Catwalk That's pretty good.. but I hear a more 'LOME' 'LOME' type sound.. > 9. 'Extremely fast bald head slapping' - Poland The chants or is it the stereoscopic ticking drums? > 8. 'Oyoyoyoyoy' - Alchemy of the Heart Had to dust this one off.. *sigh* I betcha couldn't describe this sound if it meant your life! `=o) But what you got will do just fine. > 4. 'Chick-chickerchi-gah!' - Song of the Whale Part Two This one's exact.. :) Two I added: 'I......Love......You...' - After the Call 'Reeear... rear.. reaaar...' - Catwalk Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 11, 1997 7:10 pm Subject: Top 15 TD Noises & early TD gear Really-From: ashok prema Surely by now you know that noise 15 from Logos is actually word 'wake-up'?? (after the 'chka-chka' bit). On early TD gear, the band acutally had their OWN presursor to the now familar MIDI system which they used to clock/sync various pieces of gear together! When midi appeared as a standard - it meant TD could then use a universal standard - less expense naturally - and probably more reliable. Early TD had the problems of the gear not doing what they wanted ti to do - and spent great sums of money in getting custom built gear. But even they hailed the advent of modern synths - lets face it a module can hold anything up to 100 sounds whereas they'd need 10 early synths to get that many sounds! But I do agree that the magic of the visual TD when they had banks of modulargear was lost with the advent of the computers! Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 11, 1997 8:17 pm Subject: Irritation Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >>Really-From: feldon@n... >> >>In the years between 1969 and 1984, Tangerine Dream prided themselves on >>going out and FINDING the equipment necessary to create new sounds. Or >>recorded their own sounds/sound effects. Then, all of a sudden, from >>1986-1990, they switched to this Atari stuff and suddenly they limited >>themselves to using the instruments that came with the system. Sorry, but this isn't right... First of all, the 'Atari' you refer to was only used by TD as a compositional tool. Most Atari's (apart from the Falcon) had fairly basic sound facilities (a Yamaha sound chip, if memory serves) although some games programmers were able to coax the most fantastic samples and effects out of this (by modern standards) limited hardware. I assume that you're talking about the compositional package which TD were using at the time, namely Steinberg's Cubase system. I've used this package for about nine years so may I please correct you on one or two facts. In truth, TD worked very closely with Steinberg to help them make their software package more friendly to musicians, developing areas of the program to enhance their musical potential. Paul Haslinger was instrumental (sic) in the design of the 'Human Quantise' function, a facility which lets you listen to a rhythm track from, say an old pre-MIDI recording, tap along to it on a MIDI keyboard from which the computer then works out the actual tempo of the original recording. I gather Edgar had some input into the 'Interactive Phrase Sequencer' which is a marvellous tool which allows you to manipulate sequences in real-time using a variety of functions to create some mind blowing rhythms and phrases. Equally, TD also helped companies such as Akai and Roland in the design of their musical systems, developing ideas and introducing new facilities. (I gather they subsequently fell out with Akai because Edgar and co were not creditted in for their contributions.) So TD were, as in the good old pre-MIDI days, helping the technicians to create _their_ tools. Cubase is a compositional system and has a large number of devotees. To say that Cubase locks you into a particular style of music - which is what I think you're saying - is wrong. Your style of composition is irrelevant to the hardware you're working with unless you're an idiot and it's true to say that any idiot can (and does!) write music. The first generation of digital synths were difficult and awkward to program and I think that this fact, more than anything else, accounts for TD reliance on certain preset sounds at the time and, almost certainly, to this day. My two penneth... Cheers David T-Bass : Electronic Music email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2575 What is Stuntman like? Matt Williams Fri 4/11/1997 3 KB 2576 Re: Irritation feldon@n... Sat 4/12/1997 5 KB 2597 Re: Irritation Rich Maggio Sun 4/13/1997 3 KB 2598 Re: Irritation Michael Fox Sun 4/13/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: What is Stuntman like? Really-From: Matt Williams Hi Everyone, Well due to my whole CD collection(well nearly all) being nicked and my CD player busting I have had to start from the beggining again,I still don't have a CD player but today I was looking round a second hand CD place and saw the CD 'stuntman' for 5 pounds so I thought this would be the first CD I add to my collection,I havn't heard it before and still havn't as I haven't been able to get my friend to tape it for me yet......just wandering what I can expect,is Froeses solo work any good or am I gonna regret getting it????. I also brought Logos and White Eagle,there seems to be an anti climax in forking out money on CDs you have already heard and even worse once owned :(. Oh well Matt... MATTHEW WILLIAMS EMAIL: matt@s... 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 11, 1997 11:00 pm Subject: Re: Irritation Really-From: feldon@n... At 09:17 PM 4/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > >Hi all, > >>>Really-From: feldon@n... >>> >>>In the years between 1969 and 1984, Tangerine Dream prided themselves on >>>going out and FINDING the equipment necessary to create new sounds. Or >>>recorded their own sounds/sound effects. Then, all of a sudden, from >>>1986-1990, they switched to this Atari stuff and suddenly they limited >>>themselves to using the instruments that came with the system. > >Sorry, but this isn't right... > >First of all, the 'Atari' you refer to was only used by TD as a >compositional tool. Most Atari's (apart from the Falcon) had fairly basic >sound facilities >you're talking about the compositional package which TD were >using at the time, namely Steinberg's Cubase system. I've used this package >for about nine years so may I please correct you on one or two facts. >To say >that Cubase locks you into a particular style of music - which is what I >think you're saying - is wrong. Actually, the increase in the number of albums that TD was able to crank out per year is a testament to how powerful the Cubase system really is. The Atari system is great for composing. I am talking about the instruments (the samples, the instrument sounds, the voices, etc.) >The first generation of digital synths were difficult and awkward to >program and I think that this fact, more than anything else, accounts for >TD reliance on certain preset sounds at the time and, almost certainly, to >this day. I am very aware that the old equipment was insanely difficult to work with. I have read some of Edgar's comments about concerts, such as spending 3 hours tuning instruments and then when the concert hall gets full of people, the temperature of the room puts the instruments out of tune... I am simply commenting on the CHOICE of SAMPLES for the instrument sounds. I'm sorry, but there really should be a four or five album limit on how many times you use a certain instrument (Edgar's harpsichord sound, for example). I am surprised that, with all the sampling equipment that came into availability between 1986-1990 that they didn't buy more of it and use softer samples. Maybe I'm really strange, but when I hear Lily on the Beach or Melrose, I keep saying to myself, these instruments are really harsh and shrill. I wish he would change it to a more ethereal harp sound or something. I know that it's nobody's place to judge a musical group... So, I'm agreeing with you wholeheartedly that the new equipment that they started using made it 10 times easier to sequence and get good music out the door fast. My only argument is that the instruments are so sharp to my ears. I know I'll probably go straight to hell for saying that last paragraph, but I'm just expressing an opinion, however unpopular. You know, as many comments as I say about Tangerine Dream, I should try to make it clear to everyone on the list, I do not listen to any other band. Period. I'm not kidding. Anyone is cordially invited to look at my CD collection. You will find the X-files soundtrack and the album 'Who's Afraid of the Art of Noise' in the pile, but every one of the other 50 CDs is Tangerine Dream. Top 4 TD albums --------------- Phaedra Logos Poland Force Majeure By the way, I have not heard Rubycon, Hyperborea, or Underwater Sunlight. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 12:50 am Subject: Bonn concert review Really-From: Christian von_Toerne r fellow newsreaders, I just come back from the Tangerine Dream performance in Bonn. Unfortunately, I must say I am somewhat disappointed. I had a place in the 4th row just in the middle in front of the stage, but the bass of the music system was THAT loud (never experienced something like that) that my stomach nearly turned, and it sent me shivers (and not some of pleasure) down my body. So I had to move back to the rear side of the hall, and it was still worse than the worst hardcore techno (not that I listen to techno). Just to give you an image of the situation: The bass was so loud that the only things that could be heard of TD's music was: 1) The bass, 2) the not-so-well-played guitar of the replacement of Mark Hornby and 3) the wild drum parts of the other new person playing with TD. So, no of the wonderful synthesizer music could be heard. That wasn't different in the front rows, I was told. Another thing was that they had replaced Linda. I know, some of you don't like her influence on TD, but they really managed to play a song where I expected Linda's sax, and which had been replaced by a hard-played guitar. Oh ¤/&%($... dear. What an idea! So for me and my girlfriend this concert was not worth the money. Sorry to say, but it's like that. The good news about the tour were the sale: 2 new CDs, the original motion picture soundtrack of 'Oasis' (8 tracks), and a single (limited world tour edition, 5000 copies) (2 tracks 'Maedchen on the stairs', one bonus track 'Order of the Ginger Gild'). During the second half, I had to leave the concert hall and came again across the sales booth. And what did I see? A box with about 30 CDs in it labelled 'Quinoa'. I didn't believe my eyes and asked the sales woman. She said, yes, we found some copies. Although they wanted to have DM 50,- (US$ 30) for the 28-minute CD, there was no doubt for me about buying it. After the concert, we waited at the stage exit for about 1.5 hours, then we met Jerome Froese who we found to be a very nice and friendly person. While signing the booklets of our CDs, we asked him about Linda and why she left the band. He gave us a strange look and told us that leaving the band wasn't her decision. So obviously she was somehow thrown out. Hm. We told him that we actually liked Linda's sax in TD's music, and he replied that we were the first ones who told him somehting like that. The second thing we asked him was about the release date of the Shepherd's Bush Empire Video, which had been announced back in December. He said that the word 'soon' in the text on their homepage was a bit too optimistic, and since Hornby and Spa left the band, they will most probably not be able to do a thing like that at all. So here it is, folks, from Jerome's own mouth: He doubts there will be a Shepherd's Bush Video! After another hour of waiting we finally met Edgar with his wife and his nice little black dog (whom I was allowed to stroke). He was not quite as friedly as his son, but we asked him about the Shepherd's Bush Video as well. Now he told us something completely different: Not in the next time, but when (not if) it will be released, it will in no case be a full-length video. Darn. *If* we finally get a tape of Shepherd's Bush, it will be a video like 'Three-Phase', and I don't need to tell you I didn't like the idea. After all we got autographs for all booklets we showed him. We told them again that the bass was far too loud in their performance. They had not recognized it because obviously you can't hear very much of the bass on stage. OK, here's my impression of the playlist: Almost no older stuff (of before '80). All tracks have somehow been played in a more 'ravy' or 'rocky' way. For example, they played 'Ride on a Ray' from 'Underwater Sunlight' in such a way that I didn't recognize it for the first minute, and I like this CD a lot! The second part was mainly 'Tyranny Of Beauty', 'Rockoon', and 'Goblin's Club', with some versions from the 'Dream Mixes' album. Jerome's influence on the music is permanently audible. I don't like the new guitar player. His interpretations are no way a match to Mark Hornby. Twice or three times he missed his start, which was also recognized by Edgar and Jerome. The new drummer is OK, I mean, he does a lot to add more rhythm to the music, but I must say I like the drum computer better. After all these two people 'helped' to make a loud noise of TD's music. What a dissapointment! That's it for now. All of this is just my NSH opinion. You can even consider it a flame bait, but if you want to flame me back (I don't encourage you), please do this in private email and not on this list. After a bad concert but with other great new experience, Chris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2588 Re: Bonn concert review Gary Struhlik Sat 4/12/1997 3 KB 2590 Re: Bonn concert review Christian von_Toerne Sat 4/12/1997 2 KB 2593 Re: Bonn concert review Gabe Yedid Sat 4/12/1997 7 KB 2627 Re: Bonn concert review jkerp@n... Mon 4/14/1997 7 KB 2600 Re: Bonn concert review Michael Fox Sun 4/13/1997 7 KB 2603 Re: Bonn concert review gary.cresswell1@v... Sun 4/13/1997 2 KB 2608 Re: Bonn concert review Pixel Sun 4/13/1997 2 KB 2886 Re: Bonn concert review Dennis Nigbur Mon 4/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 1:35 am Subject: Re: What is Stuntman like? Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) Matt, >saw the CD 'stuntman' for 5 pounds so I thought this would be the first CD I >add to my collection,I havn't heard it before and still havn't as I haven't >been able to get my friend to tape it for me yet......just wandering what I can >expect,is Froeses solo work any good or am I gonna regret getting >it????. Do not hesitate to buy Stuntman. I think it is VERY good! And, if you haven't heard it - pick up Pinnacles too. Both of these are on par with some of TDs best moments imo. > > I also brought Logos and White Eagle,there seems to be an anti climax >in >forking out money on CDs you have already heard and even worse once >owned :(. I used to feel the same way when I started replacing old TD albums with the cds - it seemed like a waste. But actually, I found I listened to the cds more than I had listened to the albums in years. It was like rekindling an old flame. I'm glad I did it. Larry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2583 Re: What is Stuntman like? TangerineC@a... Sat 4/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 3:29 am Subject: Help Really-From: AslanFan1@a... Ok, could someone please have pity on me? TD's homepage advertises that they will be broadcasting Friday's concert on the internet. The time of the show is 7:00 GMT. I'm in Colorado, USA. What time would that be for me? Please email me if you're willing to help me out here! I'd sure appreciate it. Does the software that needs to be downloaded work on Macs, or only PCs? Sure appreciate the help of this resourceful list! -Alan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3685 Help Kenneth W. Beal Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB 5796 Help Michael Trinastic Wed 7/9/1997 2 KB 16311 Help Carl & Jacqui Kearney Tue 5/11/1999 1 KB 16316 Re: Help Shadow Tue 5/11/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 3:29 am Subject: TDI Dream Mixes Really-From: AslanFan1@a... I have an extra 2CD of Dream Mixes for sale (or trade). This is TDI release that contains the entire Miramar release plus remixes of 4 tracks and 16:20 of new material (2 tracks). If you're a fan of Dream Mixes ( I AM), this is the one you want. I've been told it sounds better, too. Please email off list if you're interested. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 3:29 am Subject: Rumpelstiltskin Really-From: AslanFan1@a... I had a number of list members contact me regarding new CD copies of Tangerine Dream's out of print release Rumpelstiltskin. Is anyone else looking for it? I have a shot at getting more from a different source but need to know the interest level. I don't think this one's going to ever go back in print, so please email me off list if you're interested. Thanks! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2662 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Rainer Rutka Mon 4/14/1997 3 KB 3184 Rumpelstiltskin AslanFan1@a... Tue 4/29/1997 2 KB 3188 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Mark Filipak Tue 4/29/1997 3 KB 5251 Rumpelstiltskin AslanFan1@a... Sun 6/22/1997 2 KB 5252 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Capel Martyn Sun 6/22/1997 2 KB 5256 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Lon Lowen Sun 6/22/1997 2 KB 5476 Hello? Mark Jones Sat 6/28/1997 2 KB 5254 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Francisco Salgado C. Sun 6/22/1997 2 KB 6229 Rumpelstiltskin AslanFan1@a... Fri 8/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 3:46 am Subject: Help, please Really-From: pjv@a... (Phil Vendy) Can anyone explain this one: A 12 inch picture disk showing Edgar, Chris and Paul. The only words are a title, in both English and German: 'Sing, for the song drives away the wolf' (or words to that effect). Was I right to reject this as an overpriced curiosity, or have I passed up the chance to own a fought-over museum piece? If you tell me quick, I may still be able to grab it. Also, one that may be well known but I've missed the discussion: an album of TD tracks including parts of The Keep, recorded by somebody or other I've not heard of. What's this all about? It's a recent release. Thanks. Phil Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2626 Help, please Klaus Beschorner Mon 4/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 4:51 am Subject: Re: What is Stuntman like? Really-From: TangerineC@a... It's awesome. Buy it now before it goes out of print. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 9:26 am Subject: promos found / sought Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers I really try hard not to go into those damn record stores ... but I have to walk by some on a regular basis and I'll start to feel this tingling on the back of my neck and then suddenly there's this big sucking sound ssssslllluuuuuuuurrrrrrppppppp!!! and next thing I know, I'm flipping through the bins. I don't want to spend any money... I have to eat *this* week, no please no ..... oh no mr. bill! :-o Tangerine Dream 'Towards the Evening Star' Mandarin Cream Remix by the Orb. UK PROMOTIONAL 33rpm 12' black vinyl, white sleeve, white label (When! Recordings, #went 1022) with A4 promo sheet and A4 DJ 'feedback' survey sheet (unfolded). M/M never played!!! Release date April 14, 1997!!! A/AA sides MISLABELLED! Wanted, dead or alive: Tangerine Dream 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' PROMOTIONAL CD single from 1997 European tour (ie: NOT the tour single itself, the promo version!) Please respond off list thanks, Lars (a very hungry london correspondent) My name is Lars and I am a dreamaholic.... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 9:26 am Subject: 70-80 set available Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers first, sorry about the triple message in Friday's digest; I don't know what the problem is but it only uploaded once from my computer. Maybe on c-serve or the cs.uwp.edu server???? I'm trying hard not to 'noise-up' the list and then this ... BTW I have seen a 70-80 box set here in London. There was a fair bit of wear on the box cover (maybe good+ or VG-) but no apparent tearing or rips. If someone REALLY wants it, I'll go back and check the vinyl and make sure the booklet is there. I didn't get it cause it was something like 30 pounds (or about $50 US) and had too much wear for my tastes. Still, it could be a 'valuable' addition to someone's collection. If anyone is really **seriously** interested I'll go and check it out again/buy it (but it will cost me $4 for the subway to go there so I don't want to go unless you *really* want to buy it if is OK). e-mail me off list please... lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 9:26 am Subject: the brick, UK Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers Well, 'The Brick' finally turned up in London this week but for the outrageous price of 46 pounds / about $80 US. It's actually a little cheaper to the buy the 5 discs separately!!!! Plus, there is no way to know from the outside whether the UK version includes the bonus tracks that two of the original UK releases had (TOB & TOTT); I suspect, like the US version, that it doesn't... If anyone in UK has to have this puppy, let me know and I'll get you a copy in the states and save you some serious poundage (like half); the same goes for Tangents (Mark E. didn't 'want' one of these??). However, if anyone in the states really has to have a UK version, contact me off list as I am available for 'counselling.' Dreamers' Anonymous is a non-profit, 12-step program designed to help obsessive/compulsive buyers of Tangerine Dream's Music. dr. lars 'the doctor is in' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2601 Re: the brick, UK Mark Filipak Sun 4/13/1997 2 KB 2646 Re: the brick, UK Mark Edmonds Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 1:19 pm Subject: Bionaut List Available Really-From: Bionaut@a... Hey there, Anybody interested in receiving information on the activities of USA's Bionaut, Chris Green and Paul Eggleston can now subscribe to our list. Send a request to . This will be a very light traffic list with only occasional updates on gigs and recordings and other news of note. There will be no forwards of impending email viruses, calls for social action, forwards from humor services, etc. Our URL is . I am working on a much better web presentation which will be available pretty soon with much more info. Thanks, Chris From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 4:43 pm Subject: Re: Bonn concert review Really-From: Gary Struhlik At 02:03 12.04.97 -0500, you wrote: >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:50:20 +0200 (MSZ) >Subject: Bonn concert review > >Really-From: Christian von_Toerne >The good news about the tour were the sale: 2 new CDs, the original motion >picture soundtrack of 'Oasis' (8 tracks), and a single (limited world tour >edition, 5000 copies) (2 tracks 'Maedchen on the stairs', one bonus track >'Order of the Ginger Gild'). Can you tell us the price for _Oasis_ and the promotion CD _Das Maedchen auf der Treppe (Remix 1997)_ ? >During the second half, I had to leave the concert >hall and came again across the sales booth. And what did I see? A box with >about 30 CDs in it labelled 'Quinoa'. I didn't believe my eyes and asked the >sales woman. She said, yes, we found some copies. Although they wanted to have >DM 50,- (US$ 30) for the 28-minute CD, there was no doubt for me about buying >it. I think there is no chance to get any _Quinoa_ on the further concerts in Germany, because all CDs will be selling out ?! Gary S. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2590 Re: Bonn concert review Christian von_Toerne Sat 4/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 12:43 pm Subject: Ken Alexander Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I just want you all to know that Ken Alexander is a man true to his word and very generous. Thanks to him, some mysteries and no longer mysteries to me.:-) I am grateful to him. Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2638 Re: Ken Alexander Lon Lowen Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 6:29 pm Subject: Re: Bonn concert review Really-From: Christian von_Toerne Hi, OK, here are the prices for the CDs: Quinoa (if available, I doubt): DM 50 Special tour CD (Maedchen auf der Treppe): DM 20 Oasis (8 tracks): DM 30 I wish I had had more money with me to buy additianl D CDs. Unfortunately they didn't accept credit cards (only cash) Chris d From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 7:26 pm Subject: Re: Ken Alexander Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > I just want you all to know that Ken Alexander is > a man true to his word and very generous. > > Thanks to him, some mysteries and no longer mysteries to me.:-) > > I am grateful to him. > > Andrew A KAFC? I'll join. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2617 Re: Ken Alexander Patrick Sun 4/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 9:24 pm Subject: concert in bonn 4/11/97 Really-From: van hove Hi New on the list, but TD fanatic since 1975. The concert was great...only the reaction of the German TD fans was low. They were all sitting on their chair and clapping in their hands. I remember and I have seen other audiences around the globe, but this was low. Indeed the first part was great; they started with Waterborne from the Oasis CD and played a magical Stratosfear, Tangram, Livemiles, Dominion etc.... The first part was 70 minutes The secons part was the new stuff which took off with Flashblood from Oasis CD and they playes three tracks from Goblins Club, and some remixes.. See them back next week in Brussels. I will give them some Belgium chocolats...before the show...Who is interested to come with me ? TD the Magic goes on... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 10:01 pm Subject: Re: Bonn concert review Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sat, 12 Apr 1997 tadream@c... wrote: > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:50:20 +0200 (MSZ) > Subject: Bonn concert review > > Really-From: Christian von_Toerne > > r fellow newsreaders, > > I just come back from the Tangerine Dream performance in Bonn. Unfortunately, I > must say I am somewhat disappointed. I had a place in the 4th row just in the > middle in front of the stage, but the bass of the music system was THAT loud > (never experienced something like that) that my stomach nearly turned, and it > sent me shivers (and not some of pleasure) down my body. So I had to move back > to the rear side of the hall, and it was still worse than the worst hardcore > techno (not that I listen to techno). Just to give you an image of the > situation: The bass was so loud that the only things that could be heard of > TD's music was: > > 1) The bass, > 2) the not-so-well-played guitar of the replacement of Mark Hornby > and 3) the wild drum parts of the other new person playing with TD. > > So, no of the wonderful synthesizer music could be heard. That wasn't different > in the front rows, I was told. TD concerts (REAL ones) do have a reputation for being bass extravaganzas, even as far back as the mid-70s. But you seem to say that even that was over-the-top here? I hope your eardrums didn't suffer too much. > Another thing was that they had replaced Linda. I know, some of you don't like > her influence on TD, but they really managed to play a song where I expected > Linda's sax, and which had been replaced by a hard-played guitar. Oh ¤/&%($... > dear. What an idea! Which track was this? Was it 'Melrose'? If it was, DEAR GOD, WHAT ARE THEY THINKING? > So for me and my girlfriend this concert was not worth the money. Sorry to say, > but it's like that. > sales woman. She said, yes, we found some copies. Although they wanted to have > DM 50,- (US$ 30) for the 28-minute CD, there was no doubt for me about buying > it. Does that mean you got it or not? ;) > After the concert, we waited at the stage exit for about 1.5 hours, then we met > Jerome Froese who we found to be a very nice and friendly person. While signing > the booklets of our CDs, we asked him about Linda and why she left the band. He > gave us a strange look and told us that leaving the band wasn't her decision. > So obviously she was somehow thrown out. Hm. We told him that we actually liked > Linda's sax in TD's music, and he replied that we were the first ones who told > him somehting like that. Wish I'd been with you, I would have agreed!! > > After all we got autographs for all booklets we showed him. We told them again > that the bass was far too loud in their performance. They had not recognized it > because obviously you can't hear very much of the bass on stage. > Hopefully they'll take a hint from that. Was it maybe because the theatre was too small for their PA system? > > OK, here's my impression of the playlist: Almost no older stuff (of before > '80). All tracks have somehow been played in a more 'ravy' or 'rocky' way> example, they played 'Ride on a Ray' from 'Underwater Sunlight' in such a way > that I didn't recognize it for the first minute, and I like this CD a lot! Something similar is on the boot of the 1987 Berlin concert, 'Ride On the Ray' has a funky new opening with lots of (DX7?) bass guitar. So there was no pre 1980 stuff--no surprise really. But there was other stuff from the Froese/Franke/Schmoelling and F/F/Haslinger years? > The second part was mainly 'Tyranny Of Beauty', 'Rockoon', and 'Goblin's Club', > with some versions from the 'Dream Mixes' album. Jerome's influence on the > music is permanently audible. > > > > I don't like the new guitar player. His interpretations are no way a match to This 'new guitar player' is Zlatko! Same guy who was around for 1992-1994 (including the North American tour). And he didn't do a good job? Then again, they did seemingly get him as a last minute replacement. > Mark Hornby. Twice or three times he missed his start, which was also > recognized by Edgar and Jerome. The new drummer is OK, I mean, he does a lot to > add more rhythm to the music, but I must say I like the drum computer better. Wait a sec--he's an *acoustic* drummer??? The Web Page made it sound like he was an e-drummer! > After all these two people 'helped' to make a loud noise of TD's music. What a > dissapointment! > > > > That's it for now. All of this is just my NSH opinion. You can even consider it > a flame bait, but if you want to flame me back (I don't encourage you), please > do this in private email and not on this list. > > After a bad concert but with other great new experience, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Which was...? > Chris Gabe who has still never seen TD live Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2627 Re: Bonn concert review jkerp@n... Mon 4/14/1997 7 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 10:17 pm Subject: Beyond the storm Really-From: 'gerryfox' I apologise in advance if this has been covered. I have fired up the old turntable recently and have been listening to my vinyl TD collection. It has been quite a revelation at times comparing the music with my memories of the same music. Some albums I had not heard for over 10 years. Zeit was one of them and it was the discussion of it on the list which prompted me to revisit vinyl. What a subtle piece Zeit is btw. Anyway to the point. I got round to Kamikaze 1989 and one of the tracks, Polizie Disco, sounded very familiar. Some searching through Beyond the Storm came up with the same track now called Year of the Falcon and flagged as new material. Has anyone found similar sources for the rest of the _new_ material ? Gerry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 11:38 pm Subject: Re: Bonn concert report Really-From: pjv@a... (Phil Vendy) > 2) the not-so-well-played guitar of the replacement of Mark Hornby ---- >Linda's sax, and which had been replaced by a hard-played guitar. ---- >I don't like the new guitar player. His interpretations are no way a match to >Mark Hornby. Mark Hornby's replacement, of course, is in fact Mark Hornby's predecessor, Zlatko Perica from Switzerland, who played alongside Linda for a while. Check him out in the Three Phase video. I thought his work on 220 Volt Live and Turn of the Tides was superb, but I haven't seen him live. If he really was flakey I would imagine Edgar would be having quiet words in his ear, though you'd expect him to fit in easily enough given his past experience. >After all these two people 'helped' to make a loud noise of TD's music. What a >dissapointment! Remember, as has been written on the list before, TD have been renowned in the past for being one of the loudest groups around, so perhaps this is a return to those days. >That's it for now. All of this is just my NSH opinion. You can even consider it a flame bait, but if you want to flame me back (I don't encourage you), please do this in private email and not on this list. Why would this generate flames? I thought it was most interesting, the first report of the new tour. Funny thing, though, people have complained bitterly about Linda, and now the moment she is out along comes someone saying how much they liked her! I predict that soon the list will be full of people saying the new sound is c**p, why doesn't Edgar give us the good old stuff with Linda. Phil Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2884 Re: Bonn concert report Dennis Nigbur Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB 2890 Re: Bonn concert report Sean Montgomery Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB 2893 Complaining Fans dbrewer@a... Mon 4/21/1997 4 KB 2919 Re: Bonn concert report Mark Filipak Tue 4/22/1997 3 KB 2955 Re: Bonn concert report PNaunton@a... Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 12, 1997 11:39 pm Subject: Sol et Luna Really-From: pjv@a... (Phil Vendy) Adding to recent comments on Sol et Luna - Mystery Tracks Vol. II (how did the subject arise?), Chimes & Chains and Haunted Heights are indeed standout tracks. Haunted Heights could turn even the sunniest personality (just like me) into a psychodepressive wreck, it should carry a health warning. Barull Blue ( that's how it is spelt on the cover) is fine, if you like songs about barulls. Can't see much in them, myself. Most of Sol et Luna consists of the complete Heartbreakers soundtrack - not a lot of use if you already have it, as I do, and I never considered it their most striking work, although there are some good passages. There is also the extended version of Alexander Square (from Destination Berlin) - I prefer the shorter version, the extensions are mainly additional percussive links. What else? Oriental Haze. The cover says 'Prev. unrel. track, not on any album', but it was on 220 Volt Live which came out in 1993, ahead of the 1994 given for Sol et Luna. That ancient relic, Oszillator Planet Concert, is there. I am very surprised to see it is getting something of a revival - why? It is in the line of early experimental electronic scratchings and fiddlings, hardly a great musical experience and I would have thought of most interest to electronic music historians. The last piece, Dancing Grizzlies, is Edgar giving forth in German from an interview, he could be saying 'the mailing list is garbage' for all I know. Cheer-o. Phil Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2648 Re: Sol et Luna Phil Vendy Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB 6099 Sol et Luna Plumer, Scott Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB 6103 Re: Sol et Luna Jens Peschke Thu 7/24/1997 2 KB 6104 Re: Sol et Luna Vic Rek Thu 7/24/1997 2 KB 6106 Re: Sol et Luna Plumer, Scott Thu 7/24/1997 2 KB 6111 Re: Sol et Luna Mike Livsey Thu 7/24/1997 2 KB 6113 Re: Sol et Luna Mark Filipak Thu 7/24/1997 3 KB 6126 Sol et Luna Klaus Beschorner Fri 7/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 2:06 am Subject: Re: Irritation Really-From: Rich Maggio > You know, as many comments as I say about Tangerine Dream, I should try to > make it clear to everyone on the list, I do not listen to any other band. > Period. I'm not kidding. Anyone is cordially invited to look at my CD > collection. You will find the X-files soundtrack and the album 'Who's Afraid > of the Art of Noise' in the pile, but every one of the other 50 CDs is > Tangerine Dream. That's too bad. I think you are cheating yourself. TD music is great, but there is a lot of good music out there aside from TD. Take the world of classical music for instance. Very diverse and abundant. I find that I listen to TD most of the time as of late, but I don't think I could listen to ONLY TD all of the time. In some ways, it would be like too much of a good thing. BTW - you really should get Rubycon. I consider it a 'must have'. If you like Phaedra, you'll love Rubycon. Rubycon has a more finished sound to it, more polished. Rich Maggio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 3:51 am Subject: Re: Irritation Really-From: Michael Fox A very annoying 'here, here' ....as opposed to 'I agree'..... At 09:17 PM 4/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > >Hi all, > >>>Really-From: feldon@n... >>> >>>In the years between 1969 and 1984, Tangerine Dream prided themselves on >>>going out and FINDING the equipment necessary to create new sounds. Or >>>recorded their own sounds/sound effects. Then, all of a sudden, from >>>1986-1990, they switched to this Atari stuff and suddenly they limited >>>themselves to using the instruments that came with the system. > >Sorry, but this isn't right... > >First of all, the 'Atari' you refer to was only used by TD as a >compositional tool. Most Atari's (apart from the Falcon) had fairly basic >sound facilities (a Yamaha sound chip, if memory serves) although some >games programmers were able to coax the most fantastic samples and effects >out of this (by modern standards) limited hardware. > >I assume that you're talking about the compositional package which TD were >using at the time, namely Steinberg's Cubase system. I've used this package >for about nine years so may I please correct you on one or two facts. > >In truth, TD worked very closely with Steinberg to help them make their >software package more friendly to musicians, developing areas of the >program to enhance their musical potential. Paul Haslinger was instrumental >(sic) in the design of the 'Human Quantise' function, a facility which lets >you listen to a rhythm track from, say an old pre-MIDI recording, tap along >to it on a MIDI keyboard from which the computer then works out the actual >tempo of the original recording. I gather Edgar had some input into the >'Interactive Phrase Sequencer' which is a marvellous tool which allows you >to manipulate sequences in real-time using a variety of functions to create >some mind blowing rhythms and phrases. > >Equally, TD also helped companies such as Akai and Roland in the design of >their musical systems, developing ideas and introducing new facilities. (I >gather they subsequently fell out with Akai because Edgar and co were not >creditted in for their contributions.) > >So TD were, as in the good old pre-MIDI days, helping the technicians to >create _their_ tools. > >Cubase is a compositional system and has a large number of devotees. To say >that Cubase locks you into a particular style of music - which is what I >think you're saying - is wrong. Your style of composition is irrelevant to >the hardware you're working with unless you're an idiot and it's true to >say that any idiot can (and does!) write music. > >The first generation of digital synths were difficult and awkward to >program and I think that this fact, more than anything else, accounts for >TD reliance on certain preset sounds at the time and, almost certainly, to >this day. > >My two penneth... > >Cheers > David > > > > > >T-Bass : Electronic Music >email : dhughes@g... >web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html > > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 4:09 am Subject: TD Compilation Available Really-From: Robert Grabowsky DISCLAIMER: I do NOT benefit from this. I am posting this as a favor. Minette Music has a Tangerine Dream Compilation available.The cost is $35. You can contact Dave at (505) 882-4830. Here is the track listing: Quasar One Night in Medina I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You Das Madchen auf der Treppe Katja Eleanor Rigby Theif Yang and the Tangram Seal Alexander Square (long version) House of the Rising Sun Canyon Carver Canyon Voices Lost Tale Vermillion Sands Time Steps Galago Total Length 68:27 I have a copy and the quality is GREAT. I have done this because Dave is not online yet and he wanted TD fans to know about this. Thanks for taking a look, Robert Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2663 Re: TD Compilation Available Rainer Rutka Mon 4/14/1997 3 KB 2670 Re: TD Compilation Available Steven Feldman Mon 4/14/1997 3 KB 2677 Re: TD Compilation Available Robert Grabowsky Tue 4/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 3:54 am Subject: Re: Bonn concert review Really-From: Michael Fox Sounds like us in the US don't have much to look forward to! MF At 02:50 AM 4/12/97 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: Christian von_Toerne > > >r fellow newsreaders, > >I just come back from the Tangerine Dream performance in Bonn. Unfortunately, I >must say I am somewhat disappointed. I had a place in the 4th row just in the >middle in front of the stage, but the bass of the music system was THAT loud >(never experienced something like that) that my stomach nearly turned, and it >sent me shivers (and not some of pleasure) down my body. So I had to move back >to the rear side of the hall, and it was still worse than the worst hardcore >techno (not that I listen to techno). Just to give you an image of the >situation: The bass was so loud that the only things that could be heard of >TD's music was: > > 1) The bass, > 2) the not-so-well-played guitar of the replacement of Mark Hornby > and 3) the wild drum parts of the other new person playing with TD. > >So, no of the wonderful synthesizer music could be heard. That wasn't different >in the front rows, I was told. > >Another thing was that they had replaced Linda. I know, some of you don't like >her influence on TD, but they really managed to play a song where I expected >Linda's sax, and which had been replaced by a hard-played guitar. Oh ¤/&%($... >dear. What an idea! > >So for me and my girlfriend this concert was not worth the money. Sorry to say, >but it's like that. > >The good news about the tour were the sale: 2 new CDs, the original motion >picture soundtrack of 'Oasis' (8 tracks), and a single (limited world tour >edition, 5000 copies) (2 tracks 'Maedchen on the stairs', one bonus track >'Order of the Ginger Gild'). During the second half, I had to leave the concert >hall and came again across the sales booth. And what did I see? A box with >about 30 CDs in it labelled 'Quinoa'. I didn't believe my eyes and asked the >sales woman. She said, yes, we found some copies. Although they wanted to have >DM 50,- (US$ 30) for the 28-minute CD, there was no doubt for me about buying >it. > >After the concert, we waited at the stage exit for about 1.5 hours, then we met >Jerome Froese who we found to be a very nice and friendly person. While signing >the booklets of our CDs, we asked him about Linda and why she left the band. He >gave us a strange look and told us that leaving the band wasn't her decision. >So obviously she was somehow thrown out. Hm. We told him that we actually liked >Linda's sax in TD's music, and he replied that we were the first ones who told >him somehting like that. > >The second thing we asked him was about the release date of the Shepherd's Bush >Empire Video, which had been announced back in December. He said that the word >'soon' in the text on their homepage was a bit too optimistic, and since Hornby >and Spa left the band, they will most probably not be able to do a thing like >that at all. So here it is, folks, from Jerome's own mouth: He doubts there >will be a Shepherd's Bush Video! > >After another hour of waiting we finally met Edgar with his wife and his nice >little black dog (whom I was allowed to stroke). He was not quite as friedly as >his son, but we asked him about the Shepherd's Bush Video as well. Now he told >us something completely different: Not in the next time, but when (not if) it >will be released, it will in no case be a full-length video. Darn. *If* we >finally get a tape of Shepherd's Bush, it will be a video like 'Three-Phase', >and I don't need to tell you I didn't like the idea. > >After all we got autographs for all booklets we showed him. We told them again >that the bass was far too loud in their performance. They had not recognized it >because obviously you can't hear very much of the bass on stage. > > > >OK, here's my impression of the playlist: Almost no older stuff (of before >'80). All tracks have somehow been played in a more 'ravy' or 'rocky' way. For >example, they played 'Ride on a Ray' from 'Underwater Sunlight' in such a way >that I didn't recognize it for the first minute, and I like this CD a lot! > >The second part was mainly 'Tyranny Of Beauty', 'Rockoon', and 'Goblin's Club', >with some versions from the 'Dream Mixes' album. Jerome's influence on the >music is permanently audible. > > > >I don't like the new guitar player. His interpretations are no way a match to >Mark Hornby. Twice or three times he missed his start, which was also >recognized by Edgar and Jerome. The new drummer is OK, I mean, he does a lot to >add more rhythm to the music, but I must say I like the drum computer better. >After all these two people 'helped' to make a loud noise of TD's music. What a >dissapointment! > > > >That's it for now. All of this is just my NSH opinion. You can even consider it a flame bait, but if you want to flame me back (I don't encourage you), please do this in private email and not on this list. > >After a bad concert but with other great new experience, > >Chris > > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 4:55 am Subject: Re: the brick, UK Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > dreamers > Well, 'The Brick' finally turned up in London this week ... > > dr. lars Thanks doc. I'm just a discography freak. The US 'Brick' is put out by Miramar of course. The catalog is the same as the UPC skew number, 09006-23088-2. How about the Brit version? Of course, it would be best to also know whether the UK Brick has the 9 track version of 'TotT' and the 10 track version of 'ToB' but I assume that info will eventually come out. Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 5:27 am Subject: Helping Fellow Dreamers Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi All. I recently posted that I'd found used copies of 'Heartbreakers' and 'Legend' on the cheap. Sure enough, a couple of people had me buy them for them and 'Legend' is already in the mail. I checked at Tower and the 'Heartbreakers' divider in their soundtrack stacks is gone (it was there a month ago) -- a clear sign to me that it's oop as Tower doesn't usually miss a beat. Tower had a new copy of 'Legend' but it was US$17.95, almost twice what I found a copy for. - preacher mode on - Let's not make assumptions about whether finding such-and-such disc is 'a big deal' or not. I think we all check the stacks regularly and know which end of the toilet plunger to use. If you see a disc you haven't seen for a while, especially if it's a bargain, please don't pass it up just because you already have it. We're getting new people on this list all the time and if they're ever to have a fighting chance of getting these albums, we all have to work together. - preacher mode off - Thanks for the bandwidth. -- Mark (I have a 'dream') Filipak (No offense intended to Dr. King, his struggle, or his memory. I'm sure he must listen to TD in heaven.) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 4:13 pm Subject: Re: Bonn concert review Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Michael Fox > > Sounds like us in the US don't have much to look forward to! > > MF Well us in the UK havn't got anything to look forward to good or bad. gaza :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 9:09 am Subject: EMMA news Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, Sorry about the blatent non-TD plug but it's for the good of us all... Just a quick message to let you know about the new EMMA home page which I'm constructing at the moment. The Electronic Music and Musician's Association was founded in 1994 to promote Electronic Music in the United Kingdom and the fourth EMMA concert is to be held on May 31st 1997 at The Assembly Rooms, Derby. T-Bass (that's us!) are starting the proceedings off and others on the bill include Bekki Williams, Waveshape, Hawkwind's Harvey Bainbridge, Kinetik and Mind-over-Matter so the mix of acts is quite rich. There should also be a large number of dealers and other EM fans in attendance and therefore it's a good opportunity to pick up rare and otherwise difficult to obtain TD-related mechandise. Interest in this event should be quite high : with Kraftwerk appearing at 'The Tribal Gathering' the week before the EMMA festival and Jarre touring the week after, a decent attendance should be expected. The main contact for EMMA related activities is Mick Garlick and he can be reached at the following address : Mick Garlick c/o Sequences 3 Copseland Claverton Down Bath Bath and North-East Somerset United Kingdom BA2 6EA For further information please consult the web page. The page is still under construction but I will make every effort to ensure that the information is accurate. Anyone who has any additional questions can mail them to me and I will forward them to Mick since he isn't on-line yet. Some of you may have already have heard of Mick Garlick via his excellent 'Sequences' magazine which covers a large number of EM and progrock acts. Sequences is published roughly four times a year and comes with a CD featuring rare and unreleased tracks from both established and up 'n' coming EM acts. Seriously worth checking out! Cheers David P.S. Last few days of the great T-Bass caption competition! Closes April 15th! T-Bass : Electronic Music email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2606 Re: EMMA news John Christian Sun 4/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 9:09 am Subject: Only TD! Naw! Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Really-From: feldon@n... > > You know, as many comments as I say about Tangerine Dream, I should try to > make it clear to everyone on the list, I do not listen to any other band. > Period. I'm not kidding. Anyone is cordially invited to look at my CD > collection. You will find the X-files soundtrack and the album 'Who's Afraid > of the Art of Noise' in the pile, but every one of the other 50 CDs is > Tangerine Dream. I can't believe this! You gotta be serious? That's like only ever reading one book or only ever seeing one film. You can't feel the full depth of TD's music without looking around you and hearing other musicians and composers. With bands like TD you quickly realise just how dire some of the other stuff really is. I mean, if Bach or Mozart came on the radio would you switch it off? Please say you wouldn't! Somehow, I doubt it. because Edgar and the gang willingly admit that JSB and WAM are major influences. I wouldn't blame you for filtering out some of the mindless pap that's passed off as music these days but _all_ of it? Surely, you're just saying this to wind us all up....??? If not then, my God, the winter months must just fly by... Gasp! David T-Bass : Electronic Music email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2612 Re: Only TD! Naw! feldon@n... Sun 4/13/1997 6 KB 2788 Re: Only TD! Naw! PNaunton@a... Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 10:15 am Subject: Re: EMMA news Really-From: John Christian Dave said: >For further information please consult the web page. The page is still >under construction but I will make every effort to ensure that the >information is accurate. But forgot the url, which is a fairly guessable: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/emma.html -- John Christian - mail:john@p... AirSculpture Try out WebMaze at From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 10:37 am Subject: Re: Sol et Luna - 'Dancing Grizzlies' Really-From: pjv@a... (Phil Vendy) Ahem. That should have read: >> The last piece, Dancing Grizzlies, is Edgar giving forth in English, which is just as well because if it had been in German >>he could have been saying 'the mailing list is garbage' for all I know. Also, I do have a very good interview of Edgar on tape which really is in German. How was that, Mark, do you think I disguised my mistake enough to fool everyone? Phil Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2610 Re: Sol et Luna - 'Dancing Grizzlies' Mark Filipak Sun 4/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 8:33 pm Subject: Re: Bonn concert review Really-From: Pixel > > Another thing was that they had replaced Linda. I know, some of you don't like > > her influence on TD, but they really managed to play a song where I expected > > Linda's sax, and which had been replaced by a hard-played guitar. Oh ¤/&%($... > > dear. What an idea! > > Which track was this? Was it 'Melrose'? If it was, DEAR GOD, WHAT ARE > THEY THINKING? No, it was Blue Bridge. GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 11:54 am Subject: An Introduction to Tangerine Dream Really-From: Mark Filipak (It seems almost silly posting this notice to the TaDream list, but what the hell.) Hi All. I've finished my Introduction to Tangerine Dream. A lot of savvy folks have helped me get it ready for prime time and I'm now able to present it to you. But it's too long to post cold turkey so if you want it, just send me an emial off-list and I'll be happy to attach it to the reply. The band has gone through five distinct phases and I have their major albums grouped and described so if you have any TD now and want to see what to get next, you will want this article. It includes a handy chart that you can stick in your wallet or purse. Sweet dreams -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2613 Re: An Introduction to Tangerine Dream Cloudless3@a... Sun 4/13/1997 2 KB 2619 Re: An Introduction to Tangerine Dream Mark Filipak Sun 4/13/1997 34 KB 2620 Re: An Introduction to Tangerine Dream SYensen@a... Sun 4/13/1997 2 KB 2622 Re: An Introduction to Tangerine Dream K.E Sun 4/13/1997 3 KB 2679 Re: An Introduction to Tangerine Dream Robrann@a... Tue 4/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 12:20 pm Subject: Re: Sol et Luna - 'Dancing Grizzlies' Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: pjv@a... (Phil Vendy) > > Ahem. That should have read: > > >> The last piece, Dancing Grizzlies, is Edgar giving forth in English, > >> which is just as well because if it had been in German he could have > >> been saying 'the mailing list is garbage' for all I know. > > Also, I do have a very good interview of Edgar on tape which really is > in German. > > How was that, Mark, do you think I disguised my mistake enough to fool > everyone? 'So, you in fact don't really have any cheese, do you?' 'Oh, yes sir! This is a cheese shop.' Which is to say, you don't really have any fucking 'Sol et Luna' do you? Could have fooled me. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 3:32 pm Subject: HELP HELP, TD concert in Brussels this saturday. Really-From: Tom Coppens Hi everyone, could someone give me a ride home from the TD concert in Brussels to either Sint-Niklaas or Leuven ? By the way there's also a Jarre Convention in Brussels, scheduled to stop at around 18.00 so there's eneough time to go to the TD concert afterwards. The Jarre convention also hosts a concert by German E-musician Thomas Gruberski. place for the Jarre Convention: CRB: Victor Hugostraat 100 (Schaarbeek) Brussels. Greeetz, Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 4:30 pm Subject: Re: Only TD! Naw! Really-From: feldon@n... Sorry for long post! At 10:09 AM 4/13/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > >Hi all, > >>Really-From: feldon@n... >> >> You know, as many comments as I say about Tangerine Dream, I should try to >> make it clear to everyone on the list, I do not listen to any other band. >> Period. I'm not kidding. Anyone is cordially invited to look at my CD >> collection. You will find the X-files soundtrack and the album 'Who's Afraid >> of the Art of Noise' in the pile, but every one of the other 50 CDs is >> Tangerine Dream. > >I can't believe this! You gotta be serious? That's like only ever reading >one book or only ever seeing one film. > >You can't feel the full depth of TD's music without looking around you and >hearing other musicians and composers. With bands like TD you quickly >realise just how dire some of the other stuff really is. I *am* looking for other e-musics and classical. As we all know, Yanni and Enya refuse to put drums or an electronic 'edge' which I love about TD. I've been looking for Mark Shreeve's 'Red Shift' but haven't seen it... Actually, Enigma is something to listen to. Sort of 'Gregorian Chant' and techno-bass getting into a car accident. But kill the lyrics, sil vous plait! >I mean, if Bach or Mozart came on the radio would you switch it off? Please >say you wouldn't! Somehow, I doubt it. I would listen to it, unless it's TD's version of Largo... >because Edgar and the gang willingly >admit that JSB and WAM are major influences. I wouldn't blame you for >filtering out some of the mindless pap that's passed off as music these >days but _all_ of it? I very much enjoy Bach, Mozart and Handel. Honestly, I should probably buy a couple CDs. One testament: I can play Handel's Wassermusik 'Bouree' on the french flute. Quite a piece of work. Despite my limited computer/music equipment, I've been fiddling around. To be totally creative, I've just let the computer record what I'm playing for about 20 minutes (usually random stuff until I find two or three notes to alternate between) and then after 1 1/2-2 minutes of that, I find something else to play. After 20 minutes of this, I switch to a chorus sound and play on top of my flute stuff. I usually do 3-4 tracks and then go to sleep. It's mesmerizing to me that what sounds so simple on each of the individual tracks sounds amazing when played together. One thing: The Monolight piano solo (both on Stratosfear and Encore '77) is a lot harder to play than it sounds. Anyone willing to write sheet music or even just a list of notes on an e-mail for it? I can read sheet music. >Surely, you're just saying this to wind us all up....??? No, I'm just trying to let people know that my criticisms of TD are minor in relation to the grand scheme of things. My first album was Turn of the Tides, my second was Rockoon, then I heard Electronic Meditation (wow, c'est un difference). But now, my favorite time period is 81-87. Logos, Poland, and Studiomiles, er, I mean Livemiles. I'm working on a double CD-R of the 1986 Harrogate concert and it will be available on the list 'real soon'. P.S. Anyone have any photographs from this concert? I'll take $10 off the price of the disc if you send me one! This will *bien sur* appear as the cover of the CD. And if anyone attended the Harrogate concert on the list, could you write some liner notes, such as what the concert was like. Any unusual activities. What the place looked, or even smelled like would be great. So you see why I'm so desparate to find out just how good or bad Tier 2 and Tier 3 are as well as any other recordings between 1981-1987 are. And yes, I will be buying Rubycon next (lots of people have been telling me to). One more thing: I still can't get over the fact that on the Poland 'extracts' CD , they chose Barbakane over Tangent. I love the Poland concert to death, but Barbakane? Egad, what is that instrument they're playing for the last 5 minutes that's *almost* in tune? Horizon really contains some borderline rave stuff! I mean, from 6:10 to 8:10 and from 15:45 to the end of the track. I love these parts. Maybe Edgar knew that Dream Mixes would come sooner than later! >If not then, my God, the winter months must just fly by... Speaking of winter, George Winston puts out some excellent piano solo. My fav is December, then Winter into Spring. Don't like Autumn. Although I haven't heard Summer, Forest, or 'Linus and Lucy'... Morgan Marks feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 4:54 pm Subject: Re: An Introduction to Tangerine Dream Really-From: Cloudless3@a... i would love to have the intro. peace *abby* From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Concert impressions Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) Hi out there, the call of the wild (my job..) just had me break up my mini-tour of TD. I've seen them in Stuttgart and Munich, but have to pass on tonight in Erlangen. I've only got a few minutes, so some impressions : Merchandise : Quinoa is sold out. No more copies available in Munich. Stage show : great light show during the 'vintage part', and nice videos during the 'modern part'. I enjoyed it. Performance : Stuttgart was rubbish, as the band had noted themselves, only the second concert together and very incoherent. Munich was stunning, one of the best TD shows I've seen, maybe apart from the (as usual) lame reaction of the audience. Sound was marvellous at both shows. As Edgar put it, to one of the guys following the whole German tour : 'I've told you that only after the fourth or fifth concert it would become good, but you wouldn't listen...' ;-) Linup : Emil does a great job on his 'drum keyboard', improvising along most of the time, so there's a lot of variation and surprise. Zlatko's contribution is much less than on the 1992 US tour. Fan Service : wonderful. 'Dream Collector' organized 'guest after show' passes and will continue to do so all over Germany. Enjoy the other dates, I'll be definitely back for the show in Neu-Isenburg next Friday. -klaus- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2616 Re: Concert impressions van hove Sun 4/13/1997 4 KB 2643 Re: Concert impressions Rainer Rutka Mon 4/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: CDs and bootlegs Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >My bookmark marked: > >http://www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/tdboots.html > >just got me there. You must have caught the server on a bad-hair day. :-( Guys, why all this fuzz about an out-dated page ? Even the version on ftp.uwp.edu (the 'official' archive) is newer. Don't blame me, I only write the text, I don't own, run or update any of the servers that use it. -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 6:29 pm Subject: Re: Concert impressions Really-From: van hove At 16:52 13-04-97 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) > > >Hi out there, > >the call of the wild (my job..) just had me break up my mini-tour of TD. I've >seen them in Stuttgart and Munich, but have to pass on tonight in Erlangen. > >I've only got a few minutes, so some impressions : > >Merchandise : Quinoa is sold out. No more copies available in Munich. > I think it is too expensive, this was already on the Mystery tracks bootleg >Stage show : great light show during the 'vintage part', and nice videos > during the 'modern part'. I enjoyed it. > >Performance : Stuttgart was rubbish, as the band had noted themselves, > only the second concert together and very incoherent. > Munich was stunning, one of the best TD shows I've seen, > maybe apart from the (as usual) lame reaction of the Strange that this is not only in Bonn but alsi in other places in Germany. Now the German TD fans will realise why there was never a live recording done in (West)Germany... Americans go nutz..crazy.;even so are ENglish and Dutch audiences. I'm looking forward to Brussels and maybe Amsterdam nex weekend. > audience. Sound was marvellous at both shows. As Edgar > put it, to one of the guys following the whole German tour : > 'I've told you that only after the fourth or fifth concert > it would become good, but you wouldn't listen...' ;-) > >Linup : Emil does a great job on his 'drum keyboard', improvising along > most of the time, so there's a lot of variation and surprise. > Zlatko's contribution is much less than on the 1992 US tour. Zlatko is great on Stratosfear, I admire hime > >Fan Service : wonderful. 'Dream Collector' organized 'guest after show' > passes and will continue to do so all over Germany. > >Enjoy the other dates, I'll be definitely back for the show in Neu-Isenburg >next Friday. > >-klaus- > >Hope to get a review from that concert saturday..I will send mine of Brussels Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2643 Re: Concert impressions Rainer Rutka Mon 4/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 7:13 pm Subject: Re: Ken Alexander Really-From: 'Patrick' please do not send me mail. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 8:56 pm Subject: EMMA web page now up Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, The EMMA web page is now up for all those folk interested in the UK EM scene. The address is : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/emma.html See my previous post for more information... Cheers David T-Bass : Electronic Music email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 8:59 pm Subject: Re: An Introduction to Tangerine Dream tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Cloudless3@a... > > i would love to have the intro. > > peace > > *abby* An Introduction to Tangerine Dream (April 1997) I hesitantly begin this tome considering it's about a band that will celebrate its 30th anniversary this September and has gone through several style changes. I have all but 3 of TD's 52 commercial releases (not counting singles, compilations, samplers, private releases, and UK special releases, of which there are many) plus a handful of the 20 or so concert bootlegs that are available on a semi-commercial basis. The number of concert fantapes known to exist number in the hundreds and I have a few of these also. That's a staggering amount of music and the variety is immense, but I'm getting ahead of myself. Tangerine Dream was founded in 1967 in Berlin as an experimental rock band. The 'father' of Tangerine Dream is Edgar Froese and he's still its leader. Edgar's artistic philosophy gelled during extended visits with Savador Dali at his villa in Spain during which TD held private concerts prior to getting into the recording industry. Edgar aspired to do in music, what Dali had done in paint: to stretch the bounds of the possible and in doing so, to redefine his art form. Historical note: contrary to myth, the band did not take its name from anything found in 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds,' but regarding the real source of the name, Edgar's not telling. Perhaps research into the works of Salvador Dali might provide some clues. Tangerine Dream became the first all-synthesizer band at the dawn of the 70s and its music has generally followed available technology ever since -- it's been quite intimately involved in electronic design and often uses prototype versions of synthesizer and sequencer models long before they become generally available. More important of course is the pioneering sounds and techniques the band has developed and which many others have followed. Lately, Edgar has been experimenting with a spherical, hand held device he calls an E-Ball to directly control synthesizers. Initially I hoped to define 'the TD sound' in this article but I've concluded that's impossible. The band's musical style has changed too much over the years as Edgar has sought to exploit every capability each new piece of electonic gear has given him. So instead, I've tried to merely group and categorize their music so that readers can answer for themselves this question: 'If I like this, [pointing to an album they've already heard] will I also like this? [pointing to an unknown album].' While conducting my listening research I've discovered that the most sensible way to categorize TD music is by its compositional elements, by the band's personnel, and by the gear employed -- that these explain the TD sound even though they don't exactly define what the TD sound is. When asked why TD's style has changed, Edgar attributes it solely to technological development as though the band always wanted to make its current style of music but was somehow held back. I think Edgar is being inscrutable here and says such things with tongue firmly in cheek. Working hand in hand, composition, personnel, and gear provide better road markers than do the 'standard' periods: Pink, Virgin, Blue, Melrose, and Seattle, which are merely based on recording affiliations and not on art. But while describing the music in more elemental terms, I advise that the standard periods be kept in mind. They're used as shorthand and are most often referred to. Fortunately, there's a fair amount of correlation between these periods and musical style so that in short order when someone refers to 'White Eagle' as a classic late Virgin album or 'Underwater Sunlight' as a typical Blue period album, you'll know what they mean. Personnel has included at all times: Edgar Froese and at various times: Klaus Schulze, Conrad Schnitzler, Peter Baumann, Christoph Franke, Johannes Schmoelling, Paul Haslinger, Jerome Froese (Edgar's son), and Linda Spa plus several short-term and guest musicians. There were several incarnations of the band prior to its first album, but these are usually only of interest to TD-fanatics. Here's a timeline (requires fixed-space font), after which I'll briefly describe the musical content of each group. I begin with 1970 because it's the release year of TD's first album. M A J O R A L B U M S T O 1 9 8 4 (Note: =live albums=) : +----------------------- : | Electronic Meditation : | +------------------------------------------- : | | Alpha Centauri - Zeit - Atem SOUNDSCAPES : | | +-------------------------------------------- : | | | Phaedra - Rubycon - =Ricochet= SYMPHONIES : | | | Stratosfear - =Encore= : | | | +------------------------------------- : | | | | Cyclone (half male vocals) : | | | | +---------------------------------------------- : | | | | | Force Majeure - =Pergamon= - Tangram SUITES : | | | | | Exit - White Eagle - =Logos= : | | | | | Hyperborea - =Poland= : | | | | | +----------------------------------- : | | | | | | (many soundtracks) : | | | | | | +----------------- : ==|=|=====|======|=|==========|=|======= E.Froese (guitar, keys) : ==* | | | | | | K.Schulze (drums) : ==* | | | | | | C.Schnitzler (strings) : | | ====|======* | | | P.Baumann (keys, flute) : | | | | | =========|=* J.Schmoelling (keys) : | *=====|======|=|==========|=|=====* C.Franke (drums, keys) : | *==>> | | | | | | (synthesizers) : | | *==>> | | | | | (sequencers) : | | | | | | *==>> | (samplers) : 70 72 74 76 78 80 82 84| | : +-------+------------------+--| | : Pink Virgin Blue Melrose Seattle : |-----+-------+-----+ : | 86 88 90 92 94 96 : E.Froese (guitar, keys) =|=====|================|= : P.Haslinger (keys) | ====|======= | : J.Froese (guitar, drums, keys) | | =============|= : L.Spa (saxophone) | | ========* : -----------------------------------+ | | : CONCEPTS Le Parc - Underwater Sunlight | | : Tyger (some female vocals) | | : =Livemiles= - Canyon Dreams | | : -----------------------------------------+ | : TD-LITE Optical Race - Lily on the Beach | : Melrose - Rockoon - =220 Volt= | : Turn of the Tides - Tyranny of Beauty | : The Dream Mixes - Goblins' Club | : ------------------------------------------------+ : M A J O R A L B U M S 1 9 8 5 O N (Note: =live albums=) : THE BIG PICTURE The style groupings above don't represent any consensus or studied opinion. They're just the way I think of TD music and reflect my biases and outlook on music generally -- which starts from a foundation of progressive rock, baroque, and classical Indian music. That said, the divisions above and my comments below have been reviewed by a number of the TD-devout and have been met with general agreement. The sweep of TD music has broadly been from large, unified, 'floating' compositions prior to 1984 to song collections and beat oriented music from 1985 on. That this division approximates the time when Johannes Schmoelling left the band is mere coincidence in my opinion. I think that the 1984 divide more accurately reflects Edgar's decision to concentrate on lucrative film scores during this period (which I will discuss in more detail to follow) and after which Edgar became more interested in money and success. Coincidentally (?) it was also the time the band left Virgin Records to strike out on its own (Blue period) before settling in America -- well, Edgar and family never really moved there and remain in Germany to this day, but that Tangerine Dream has 'gone Hollywood' is generally accepted. It's also the time when the band shifted from analog synthesizers to samplers which most people now recognize in retrospect are very, very different in both sound and musical philosophy. The following is a closer look at the development of the band although some people use the 84/85 divide as a simple determinant in their purchasing decisions. SOUNDSCAPES These are massive, monolithic works that take a long time to fully appreciate, and are best experienced in total darkness, which is how the band held their live performances. Except for some short energetic parts of 'Alpha Centauri' they are almost entirely beatless and incorp- orate slowly evolving themes without discernible transitions. 'Alpha Centauri,' 'Zeit,' and 'Atem' are a trilogy covering the birth of the universe and incorporating lots of interesting sounds and textures -- definitely spacey but with too many surprising changes and rawk sounds to call it spacemusic in the modern sense. 'Alpha Centauri' has sparse guitar, lots of full chord organ and wandering flute improvisations -- quite reminiscent of very early Pink Floyd but with a heavier symphonic feel and lots more electronic sound effects. 'Zeit' has been lovingly nicknamed 'Four Sides, Four Notes' and 'Fork in the Toaster' referring to its minimalist themes, but it has some of the best early synthesizer you'll likely find and an ambience that sounds very modern, comparable to the best of today's dark-ambient and isolationist music. 'Atem' feels so similar to 'Zeit' that if you played a minute of either album, I probably wouldn't be able to tell you from which album it came. Some would call these compositions non-musical but I consider such opinions to be narrow minded. Others, but not the TD faithful, might call these boring since they don't have any of the points of reference found in popular music. Some consider this to be the 'classic' period although I suspect they do so only because these albums came first. To me, these are like modern versions of the Bach experiments with a little Holst thrown in to tie the various themes together and add drama. To all but enthusiasts of minimalism, concrete musique, and Kurosawa films, these three albums will be an acquired taste -- dare I say, a taste worth acquiring? First impressions range from 'huh?' to 'wow!' If you like one, buy all three. Warning: for some inexplicable reason, all women apparently hate these albums. Children and animals have varying reactions. SYMPHONIES LP-side-length compositions for the most part that each have a single theme and continuous line of development with much more obvious structure than the soundscapes -- probably resulting from the intro- duction of early sequencers. This group of albums progresses from no rhythm in 'Phaedra' to a definite motoric pulse in 'Encore.' Note: 'motoric' refers to a particular driving, trancey aspect characteristic of German electonic music of the 70s and early 80s as practiced by TD, Klaus Schulze, Ash Ra, and others -- a type of music wholly absent in America and sounding somewhat alien to American ears, in which the rhythm is kept not by the percussion, but by hypnotic sequencer arpeggios of from three to seven notes (just like Indian ragas) with often incredibly varying patterns, sometimes changing time signatures several times in the course of a single minute! Like classical symphonies, these have rich internal structure that moves from theme to theme, and in that respect are more 'song' based than the soundscapes, but the development is so gradual that one doesn't get the feeling of listening to a suite, much less a song collection. Mellotron provides the dominant, spacey sound. To many, this is the 'classic' period and the 'classic' TD sound. As is the case with the soundscapes, MTV'ers will have difficulty with this music, but it is definitely musical and definitely worth fathoming. They are all wonderful in my opinion, especially the live albums. To me, these are the modern equivalents of Beethoven symphonies. Though this period began in 1974 for studio albums, live performances through 1976 continued the soundscape type of music with a gradual introduction of the more symphonic presentations as the band became more comfortable with sequencers on stage and the equipment became more reliable. SUITES These albums have definite rhythm and are comprised mainly of suites -- though most tracks are quite long, they are made up of individual tunes linked together by bridges, usually very spacey, that cover the trans- ition from one tune to the next to form one sweeping expression. To me, this is the 'classic' TD period and the 'classic' TD sound. 'Pergamon,' 'Logos,' and 'Poland' are the live albums and, IMHO, are the best. All eight of these albums are unique and quite stunning, so take your pick. A single track from this group will often have more variety and drama than an entire album from one of the earlier groups making this the most approachable and most copied style. 'Force Majeure' is art-rock oriented with more percussion and guitar than the rest. 'Pergamon' is spacey and hypnotic with an abundance of 'beautiful music' moments. 'Tangram' is like a space age rhapsody best typifying the suite type of compositions -- dramatic and romantic using synthesizers only. 'Exit' and 'White Eagle' are heavily sequenced krautrock, Kraftwerkian but not as sterile and robotic as Kraftwerk's offerings. 'Logos' is extremely beautiful -- the melodies are very lush and the use of sequencers is absolutely incredible. 'Hyperborea' is one of TD's most playful albums with more variety than any other -- its first two tracks take you on a round trip to Morocco, and the last two tracks repeat the trip along a different route. 'Poland' is majestic and heroic with epic sweep and grandeur -- it's one of TD's most emotional albums and is in just about everyones top five list. To me, these are like rock versions of the Bach suites with sequencers or Edgar's guitar executing the fugal bits. Though you'll find no progressive rock'n'roll here, I think that any enthusiast of prog rock will enjoy any of these albums. A couple have some drumming, but on the whole they use sequencer controlled synthesizers to achieve their motoric rhythms. CONCEPTS Upon obtaining the first samplers, Tangerine Dream went through a short period in the mid-80s during which they produced a string of concept albums. This is also the time the band churned out dozens of sound- tracks under contract to various studios, but rather than call this the soundtrack period, the band's sound is much better represented by these albums -- and certainly from a listener's standpoint, these are the albums to get. They are collections of songs rather than suites. Most tracks have a single tune with silence between tracks. In other words, these albums are like most bands' albums -- nothing mysterious about that. But the individual tracks are strongly tied together into a coherent, overall theme. There's a lot of variety here. 'Le Parc' is a world tour in sound as TD interprets the traditional music of various cultures but always with the TD sound. 'Underwater Sunlight' is nautical as you might expect but without such cliche sounds as whale calls -- what a relief. 'Tyger' is TD's interpretation of William Blake's poetry set to music -- TD music of course -- with Jocelyn Bernadette Smith turning in some stellar vocals. 'Canyon Dreams' is the soundtrack to the Miramar video of the same name and introduces many innovative new themes with a western (US) flavor. 'Livemiles' is a live album that's at or near the top of everyones favs -- very highly recommended as are all the live albums. TD-LITE These albums of the late 80s and early 90s got the entire TD catalog stuck in the New Age category which is totally erroneous in my opinion and merely reflects the industry's anal penchant for simple classifi- cations. I think it's rather amusing that five were nominated for Grammys. They were commercially successful. That there is a connec- tion between success as Hollywood sees it and accolades as Hollywood gives them cannot be an accident. These albums consist of nice tunes which will please most people but which do not really hang together like the earlier albums do. With that qualification in mind, these are all very good albums that most people will find much more intellec- tually stimulating and challenging than your average new age muzak -- perhaps that's why TD didn't win any of these Grammys. During this period you will find saxophone, electric guitar, and real drums on top of the synthesizers lending these albums a much more commercial sound. I listen to and enjoy these albums immensely but they are more like 'hiking' or 'aerobics' compared to the 'backpacking' or 'power lifting' experience that the earlier albums provide. Some of the TD-devout call this the 'colorless' period or even the 'black' period. But a mix of all types of music suits me and when I'm in the mood for lite, these are the ones. Even in this period, most songs are five to six minutes in length -- few are less than 4 minutes long ('Optical Race' is the exception). ABOUT THE LIVE ALBUMS Tangerine Dream's live albums are really special and deserve additional comment. While most bands cover their popular tunes on stage, TD's concert tours feature music written to only be performed live and not incorporating any of their studio material. Prior to 'Ricochet,' TD concerts were largely improvisational soundscapes. A few bootlegs of these improvisations exist, notably 'Live! Improvised!' the infamous 1974 Reims Cathedral show after which the Pope banned TD from ever again performing in a Catholic church! I find myself listening to the live albums more than any of the others. Do I just prefer the 'live sound?' Not with most bands, but with TD, yes. Not just for the sound but also for the continuity the band achieves playing live -- smoothly segueing and bridging from one theme to another to form one continuous musical experience. No matter what period they come from, the live albums are more similar to each other than they are true to their periods. With just a few exceptions, each track is LP-side-length, running from 17 to 22 minutes, but in the case of 'Logos,' the CD format has been utilized to maximum advantage yielding a staggering 45 minutes of continuous music (set 2 from the concert) plus a six minute encore. All of the live albums bring tears to my eyes and chills to my spine. A special note about 'Poland' is in order. The original, two- CD issue is the one to get if you can find it. The one-CD version also titled 'Poland' has been only slightly abbreviated and is still very grand. Avoid the version titled 'Extracts from Poland.' It's only half the show and leaves out 'Tangent' altogether including 'Polish Dance,' the six minute section of 'Tangent' starting at the 10 minute mark that on first hearing is guaranteed to drive you into fevered trancing. In short, regardless of the period, the live albums present Tangerine Dream in its most powerful and majestic form. THE TD SOUND In many respects, Tangerine Dream is a band of excess. When most bands of the early 70s were satisfied with one moog, TD had three going at once plus guitar (sometimes at 130 decibels) and at times, drums. On stage, rather than a tidy collection of synthesizers like most contemp- orary bands, TD would have instead a literal mountain of keyboards, sequencers, and effects processors surrounded by walls of moog modulars all churning out gales of sound simultaneously. Part of the genius of Tangerine Dream is that they've been able utilize such massive amounts of electronics without muddying up their sound or overpowering the listener with complexity -- a tribute to their discipline. Also, though synthesizers come with many built-in sounds -- remember the hand claps of the mid-80s? -- Edgar has always taken the time and effort to develop his own, unique sound libraries. This has had two results. First, with the advent of dub, TD became the most sampled band in history -- dub artists want unique, interesting sounds and TD has them by the bucket full. Second, once you develop a taste for their music, you will probably never get tired of listening to TD. I choose music for its mood. If I could have the music of only one band, it would be Tangerine Dream. I can always find a TD album to match whatever mood I'm in or would like to be in. DISCLAIMERS In this introduction I've emphasized the differences. They are sig- nificant to be sure, but to be even handed I have to add that all their music is TD music having at the same time, a lush and a lean sound. When I classify a particular group in classical music terms, that doesn't mean it necessarily lacks screaming guitar. When I use the term 'TD-lite' don't think new age crystals and saccharine themes -- think 'new age with balls'. Also, the groupings above are not definite. There is a large amount of overlap at the boundaries with some albums giving hints throughout of the style that was to succeed the then-current style. But like the mountain/sky interface or the land/sea interface, these albums can be the most interesting with the greatest variety of life. Finally, except for the albums below that for various reasons don't fit, the band has evolved its sound gradually over many albums without abrupt changes in style. If you start with 'Electronic Meditation' and progress forward in time (which would take you a week of 8-hour days) you will hardly notice the development. But if you then go back and compare 'Le Parc' (1985) with 'Ricochet' (1975) for example, you will be amazed that they could have been created by the same band. ALBUMS THAT DON'T FIT (and why they don't fit, and why you might want them anyway) 'Electronic Meditation,' TD's first album, was created in an aban- doned Berlin factory and sounds like it. Even dedicated TD fans, don't like it much -- it 'scares the animals'. It has been called the first punk album and is very experimental with industrial sounds and much weirdness. 'Green Desert' (1973/1986) - Though the material here comes from 1973, Baumann and his distinctive mellotron treatments are missing (Peter was in Katmandu getting enlightened) plus Edgar reworked the material prior to its 1986 release to such extent that it's sort of a hybrid -- shorter, suite type constructions but with an overall sound- scape type sound. But if forced to choose, a soundscape it is. 'Cyclone' (1978) - Temporary band lineup plus the only TD release in which lyrics dominate. Edgar was almost universally condemned for this album with a fervor only the truly devout can muster. In retro- spect, 'Cyclone' while very different is nonetheless pretty good. 'Tyger,' the only other album with lyrics, was also met with some criticism but to a much lesser extent as the lyrics fit the concept of the album better. 'The Dream Mixes' (1995/6) - I know the hype -- this is supposed to be techno, but anyone who is into real techno would call this pop. I call it an experiment though too highly polished to be called experi- mental sounding. Most consider this album to be among the best TD output in the last six or seven years and I agree. This is the album in which Jerome's younger outlook and tastes become more overt, as they were ultimately bound to, tempered by the father's wonderful sense of style and sweep, and his powers of composition. If possible, get the two-CD, UK version rather than the one-CD, US version. 'Tangents' - A 5 CD box set of 'Virgin' period works -- about 20% are previously unreleased and about 50% of the remaining were energet- ically reworked in the early 90s by Edgar and Jerome to bring the sound up to date -- a process informally termed: tangentizing. Of course, purists are horrified by the re-recordings and overdubs, but most TD fans accept these as essentially new compositions and worthy on their own merits. Disc 4 is a 'best of' the soundtrack albums (including an extended version of 'Love on a Real Train') and disc 5 is all previously unreleased material. 'Dream Roots Collection' - A 5 CD box set of Pink and Blue period works that Edgar has put through a more modest version of his 'tangent- izing' process. About half the TD-devout actually prefer some of these renditions over the originals. Like 'Tangents,' disc 5 is previously unreleased stuff -- quite good too. 'Book of Dreams' - A two-CD album that is essentially a best of 'Dream Roots Collection' (sans the previously unreleased stuff) but which predated 'Dream Roots Collection' by a year. A more economical way to get hooked -- and it will get you hooked! SOUNDTRACKS 'Sorcerer,' 'Thief,' 'Wavelength,' 'Risky Business,' 'Shy People,' 'Heartbreakers,' 'Dead Solid Perfect,' 'Miracle Mile,' and 'Catch Me If You Can' are the most notable of the 17 soundtrack albums on CD -- another 40 or so soundtracks have never been released or are found only in bits and pieces on fairly obscure, bootleg compilations, and another 10 or so movies have used TD music that was not specifically composed for them. The less notable ones are all fairly similar and consist of short, subdued pieces, but the ones mentioned above have enough body to stand on thier own as legitimate albums. With the exception of 'Sorcerer' (1975) and 'Thief' (1980), all of TD's soundtracks were composed from late 83 to early 89 with most coming during a burst of soundtrack writing in 84-85. A couple are pretty badly chopped up or had sound transfer problems and were released over the objections of the band (notably: 'The Park Is Mine') and cannot be highly recom- mended. These are not really worth getting until you have exhausted the regular releases in the suites period and must have more TD. As an alternative, I can recommend 'Dream Music 2,' the second of two soundtrack compilations from Silva Screen, for its good mix of some of the more popular film themes (even though some are covers and not played by TD) and which includes nearly the entire score of 'Dead Solid Perfect,' the best of 'Heartbreakers' and 'Catch Me If You Can,' and which also includes 'Love on a Real Train' from 'Risky Business,' TD's most memorable soundtrack theme -- you do remember the love scene between Tom Cruise and Rebecca De Mornay, don't you? -- that was 'LoaRT' in the background and its motoric pulse added much to the scene's mood and impact. TD revolutionized the soundtrack business and its influence has been felt ever since, on the big screen and little. Jan Hammer's scores for Miami Vice were patterned after TD movie soundtracks and former TD member Chris Franke's Babylon 5 soundtracks have set a high standard for innovative TV themes. Note: all these soundtracks are TD albums except for 'Risky Business,' which is only half TD and half other artists. MY FAVORITE It changes almost by the hour! -- but seriously, like a mother loves her children, I love them all, just some more than others depending on my mood. BEST ENTRY POINTS The overwhelming consensus among the TD-devout is 'Tangram,' not because it's their favorite -- though it often is one of their favs, but because they feel it presents the most accessible music to the TD-novice. I respectfully disagree with this point of view. I think the best entry point depends on where you're coming from. If you like minimalist or ambient music, then the soundscapes and symphonies would be best -- you might start with 'Phaedra' and work in both directions. If you're a rocker, the concepts will give you a smooth and enjoyable ride. If you like electronica, 'The Dream Mixes' is a reworking and dubbing of TD's recent best. But I think that 'Tangents' and 'Dream Roots Collection' provide the best general entry points. I like to buy a compilation of a 'new' band, get to know its music, buy the individual albums I like, and then sell the compilation to the next guy. If held long enough, sometimes these compilations become valuable enough to fetch a premium when sold. But 'Tangents' and 'Dream Roots' have a hidden bonus that will prompt you to keep them: they won't become obsolete if and when you buy the regular albums because they are fairly unique remixes with a sound different from the originals. Many people buy them already having the originals for just that reason. If you can't afford 'Tangents' (released in Europe in 1994 but never released in the US) or 'Dream Roots Collection' (released throughout Europe late last year and due for US release in the near future), 'Book of Dreams' is a good, economical alternative. I hope that this short introduction helps you to find TD music you like. There's so much to choose from that I doubt many will walk away without at least some TD music in their hands. If you're like me, you will buy all the readily available albums over time and wind up desperately searching out the rare and obscure to maintain your 'fix'. You should be aware that most of the band's albums are being re- released as digitally mastered issues. These digitally re-mastered CDs are terrific. As a side benefit, many older TD CDs are hitting the used bins and, while not giving quite the superb sound of the new CDs, they can save you a little money and are really very listenable -- no TD album was ever mixed for radio so even the oldest CDs have a full sound spectrum. But I've found that many of these used CDs are overpriced, being only a buck or two cheaper than the new ones (which are being marketed in the midrange price category). And a warning about these new re-mastered issues is in order: some of them have the wrong band lineup listed. Most notably, on some of the early- and mid-80s studio and soundtrack albums, Baumann is listed instead of Schmoelling. Lastly, here is a list of web sites containing information about TD: http://www.netstore.de/tadream/ - the band's official site http://hyperreal.com:2000/1/music/artists/tangerine_dream http://www.oslonett.no/~mmoen/tadream/ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/tadream.htm http://ftp.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/tadream/ Also, there is a Tangerine Dream discussion group supported by a majordomo list server at the University of Wisconsin-Parkside. To subscribe, send: subscribe tadream in the body of a message (no subject) to: majordomo@c... If you prefer a digest form of the list then send this line instead: subscribe tadream-digest I subscribe to both, putting those postings I want to keep close at hand into subject-specific folders for ready reference, and archiving the digests in case I want to search for the obscure tidbit. Together, the two forms of the list currently have almost 500 members from all over the world. When you subscribe, you'll receive a welcome message. Please don't toss it out for within can be found a gold mine: an FAQ, a list of fanzines and subscription info, a pointer to the archives, and most importantly, the instructions on how to unsubscribe (gasp!) or change your subscription between the regular list and the digest. I do not have these three soundtrack albums: 'Shy People,' 'Three O'clock High,' and 'L'affaire Wallraff' (aka: The Man Inside) -- if you have any of these and would like to trade or sell, give me a jingle. Enjoy the show and sweet dreams. -- Mark Filipak (not affiliated with the band, any of the web sites, or the University of Wisconsin -- just another dreamer at heart :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 9:07 pm Subject: Re: An Introduction to Tangerine Dream Really-From: SYensen@a... I want it! (Yesterday) Steve. A long term (i.e. since 1971) dreamer who needs therapy (i.e more and more TD) ! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 9:09 pm Subject: er. sorry. Really-From: SYensen@a... Steve (again) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 3:53 pm Subject: Re: An Introduction to Tangerine Dream Really-From: 'K.E' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > Hi All. I've finished my Introduction to Tangerine Dream. A lot of > savvy folks have helped me get it ready for prime time and I'm now able to present it to you. But it's too long to post cold turkey so if you want it, just send me an emial off-list and I'll be happy to attach it to the reply. > Mark Hi, Mark Yes, I would like to read your introduction to TD. Actually I have written a small book in danish about TD (120 p.) and in januar I did an article (4 A4p.) in the danish magazine 'MIDImag', wich is somthing in between 'Keyboard' and 'Sound on Stage', I think. Hopefully I will be able to do something in english one day... Kindly, Kent Eskildsen btw - I am going to Hamburg tomorrow... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 9:36 pm Subject: TD SINGLES COLLECTION Really-From: Michael A Jean It sounds like a nice collection of stuff (though I have almost all of it already)...The letter I received about it make reference to ORIGINAL CUTS of Canyon Carver and Canyon Voices from the CYMBIOSIS CD...I have the Cymbiosis disc and I never noticed any difference from the Canyon Dreams version...Anyone care to explain? MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 13, 1997 9:50 pm Subject: Re: An Introduction to Tangerine Dream -- Sorry, I goofed. Really-From: Mark Filipak To our friends in Europe who pay a fortune for email, sorry. I didn't want to dump the Intro on everyone and tried to screen against it but it wound up happening anyways. Someone replied on-list and when I replied to it with the attachment, it went to the list instead of off-list. Once again, sorry. I'll be more vigilant in the future and try to catch and change requests so that the reply goes off-list. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2666 Re: An Introduction to Tangerine Dream -- Sorry, SYensen@a... Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Re: webcast again? Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >'Stefan Stapelberg' Just to let everyone know, and to welcome Stefan here on our forum : He's 'Mr. tadream web homepage', and a nice fellow, if I may say so ;-) -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Help, please Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >Can anyone explain this one: > >A 12 inch picture disk showing Edgar, Chris and Paul. The only words are >a title, in both English and German: 'Sing, for the song drives away the >wolf' (or words to that effect). I know that nobody actually reads what I'm publishing here, or discards it immideately after... ;-) so I'm prepared to repeat this o'er and o'er... 06.11.90 Bristol Part I 'Singet, denn der Gesang..' PICTURE DISK.. 48 8 LP L P's ----- * 'Singet, denn der Gesang vertreibt die Woelfe' is a nice looking picture disk LP, but musically it's just yet another release of 'Bicycle Race'. This info is even on the outdated webpage that's been discussed during the last days. >Was I right to reject this as an overpriced curiosity, or have I passed >up the chance to own a fought-over museum piece? If you tell me quick, I >may still be able to grab it. You don't tell us the price, so I can't actually answer yes or no. The producers had major trouble selling this off, I've seen mail order dealers adding one of these for free with larger orders. My tip : don't pay more than you would pay for an official, current picture disk LP. (If there were any such things any more) -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 1:31 am Subject: Re: Bonn concert review Really-From: jkerp@n... >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > >On Sat, 12 Apr 1997 tadream@c... wrote: > >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:50:20 +0200 (MSZ) >> Subject: Bonn concert review >> >> Really-From: Christian von_Toerne >> >> r fellow newsreaders, >> >> I just come back from the Tangerine Dream performance in Bonn. >>Unfortunately, I >> must say I am somewhat disappointed. I had a place in the 4th row just >>in the >> middle in front of the stage, but the bass of the music system was THAT loud >> (never experienced something like that) that my stomach nearly turned, >>and it >> sent me shivers (and not some of pleasure) down my body. So I had to >>move back >> to the rear side of the hall, and it was still worse than the worst hardcore >> techno (not that I listen to techno). Just to give you an image of the >> situation: The bass was so loud that the only things that could be heard of >> TD's music was: >> >> 1) The bass, >> 2) the not-so-well-played guitar of the replacement of Mark Hornby >> and > 3) the wild drum parts of the other new person playing with TD. >> >> So, no of the wonderful synthesizer music could be heard. That wasn't >>different >> in the front rows, I was told. > >TD concerts (REAL ones) do have a reputation for being bass >extravaganzas, even as far back as the mid-70s. But you seem to say that >even that was over-the-top here? Hey, that´s new! But tha bass was fuckin´ hard. After the performance I told Edgar that we nearly fell from our chairs ;-) >I hope your eardrums didn't suffer too much. That wasn´t the problem... You body started to vibrate from the extreme loud infra-sonic sounds. >> So for me and my girlfriend this concert was not worth the money. Sorry >>to say, >> but it's like that. I personally would say that the music was gerat. But you nearly were unable to hear the keyboards because the bass flattened their sounds too much! > >> sales woman. She said, yes, we found some copies. Although they wanted >>to have >> DM 50,- (US$ 30) for the 28-minute CD, there was no doubt for me about >>buying >> it. > >Does that mean you got it or not? ;) Yeah! And I got one too! >> After the concert, we waited at the stage exit for about 1.5 hours, then >>we met >> Jerome Froese who we found to be a very nice and friendly person. While >>signing >> the booklets of our CDs, we asked him about Linda and why she left the >>band. He >> gave us a strange look and told us that leaving the band wasn't her >>decision. >> So obviously she was somehow thrown out. Hm. We told him that we >>actually liked >> Linda's sax in TD's music, and he replied that we were the first ones >>who told >> him somehting like that. > >Wish I'd been with you, I would have agreed!! Fine!!! Go and tell Edgar about it! >> >> After all we got autographs for all booklets we showed him. We told them >>again >> that the bass was far too loud in their performance. They had not >>recognized it >> because obviously you can't hear very much of the bass on stage. >> >Hopefully they'll take a hint from that. >Was it maybe because the theatre was too small for their PA system? >> >> OK, here's my impression of the playlist: Almost no older stuff (of before >> '80). All tracks have somehow been played in a more 'ravy' or 'rocky' >>way> example, they played 'Ride on a Ray' from 'Underwater Sunlight' in >>such a way >> that I didn't recognize it for the first minute, and I like this CD a lot! > >Something similar is on the boot of the 1987 Berlin concert, 'Ride On the >Ray' has a funky new opening with lots of (DX7?) bass guitar. So there >was no pre 1980 stuff--no surprise really. But there was other stuff >from the Froese/Franke/Schmoelling and F/F/Haslinger years? > >> The second part was mainly 'Tyranny Of Beauty', 'Rockoon', and 'Goblin's >>Club', >> with some versions from the 'Dream Mixes' album. Jerome's influence on the >> music is permanently audible. >> >> >> >> I don't like the new guitar player. His interpretations are no way a >>match to >This 'new guitar player' is Zlatko! Same guy who was around for >1992-1994 (including the North American tour). And he didn't do a good job? >Then again, they did seemingly get him as a last minute replacement. Why that? I would say Hornby has done the 1992 tour!? On the Video I can see Hornby and not Zlatko! He dances in a 'heavy metal' way. Zlatko nearly stood 'frozen' on the stage... >> Mark Hornby. Twice or three times he missed his start, which was also >> recognized by Edgar and Jerome. The new drummer is OK, I mean, he does a >>lot to >> add more rhythm to the music, but I must say I like the drum computer >>better. > >Wait a sec--he's an *acoustic* drummer??? >The Web Page made it sound like he was an e-drummer! > >> After all these two people 'helped' to make a loud noise of TD's music. >>What a >> dissapointment! >> >> >> >> That's it for now. All of this is just my NSH opinion. You can even >>consider it >> a flame bait, but if you want to flame me back (I don't encourage you), >>please >> do this in private email and not on this list. >> >> After a bad concert but with other great new experience, > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Which was...? That we (the three of us ;-) met the COMPLETE Froese family! >> Chris > >Gabe > >who has still never seen TD live Bye Jan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 2:26 am Subject: Re: webcast again? Really-From: feldon@n... Am I the only one who simply cannot get RealAudio to work? I've got a 56kbps modem. Isn't that fast enough? Morgan Marks feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2632 Re: webcast again? Greg Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB 2634 Re: webcast again? Robert Grabowsky Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB 2636 Re: webcast again? Mark Filipak Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB 2641 Re: webcast again? Pixel Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB 2642 Re: webcast again? Stefan Stapelberg Mon 4/14/1997 3 KB 2654 Re: webcast again? feldon@n... Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB 2695 Re: webcast again? TangerineC@a... Tue 4/15/1997 2 KB 2700 Re: webcast again? Greg Heil Tue 4/15/1997 3 KB 2704 Re: webcast again? SYensen@a... Tue 4/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 2:39 am Subject: d:Rubycon Really-From: feldon@n... Just got Rubycon! Yes, it is more refined and Edgar and the gang are definately more organized. I still love Phaedra more, but Rubycon is definately heaven to listen to. Why did Edgar choose the clips he did for the Virgin boxed set? The stuff he *didn't* pick is even better than what he *did* pick. I think that 'apocolyptic' is the best way to describe the first four minutes of Rubycon part two. Starts out with air raid sirens and moves to what could be best described as people screaming and passing through a 'synthesizing box'. Absolutely amazing stuff. Morgan feldon@f...@neosoft.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2633 Re: d:Rubycon Rich Maggio Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB 2637 Re: d:Rubycon Mark Filipak Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB 2785 Re: d:Rubycon PNaunton@a... Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 2:37 am Subject: Baumann/Froese solo stuff Really-From: Rich Maggio Fellow Dreamers, Does anyone know the availability of Peter Baumann's solo stuff? As far as I know, he has 2 solo releases and a recently released 'greatest hits' (which is rather odd since he only put out 2 albums). Are these CDs in print in the UK or any other country? I know they are out of print here in the US. Also, I have tried placing orders for Epsilon in Malaysian Pale from 3 or 4 different places with no luck. 2 of the places I ordered from deal with import titles. Is this CD not in print in the UK or Germany? If it isn't, I wish these places would remove it from their lists. Also, I've heard rumors (on this list) that Ages and Macula Transfer may be released on CD soon. Has there been any more heard on this? I would be the happiest man on this planet if these were put out on CD finally. Too bad the fellow that got to chat with Edgar after the Bonn show didn't ask him about this. :-) Thanks for the info! Rich Maggio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 2:42 am Subject: Baumann releases Really-From: Rich Maggio Well, I may have answered part of my question here. The text below is from the German Music Express web site: $17.23 BAUMANN*PETER -- PHASE BY PHASE VIRG137625 01/96 VIRGIN Add to Shopping Basket $20.38 BAUMANN*PETER -- REPEAT REPEAT VIRG221423 06/90 VIRGIN Add to Shopping Basket $20.38 BAUMANN*PETER -- ROMANCE '76 VIRG870982 06/90 VIRGIN Add to Shopping Basket $20.38 BAUMANN*PETER -- TRANS HARMONIC NIGHTS VIRG870992 06/90 VIRGIN Add to Shopping Basket Trans Harmonic Nights and Romance '76 I have heard about. Phase by Phase is the new release. What is Repeat Repeat? An older 'greatest hits' release? Thanks, Rich Maggio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2659 Re: Baumann releases Rich Maggio Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB 2674 Re: Baumann releases Rich Maggio Tue 4/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 2:47 am Subject: Re: webcast again? Really-From: 'Greg' From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Re: webcast again? > Date: Sunday, April 13, 1997 7:26 PM > > Really-From: feldon@n... > > > Am I the only one who simply cannot get RealAudio to work? I've got a 56kbps > modem. Isn't that fast enough? > Do you have RealAudio ver. 3.0? and if you installed it recently, did you shut down your web browser and opened it again? Check to see if the RealAudio mime is configured correctly. .ra and .ram files should be set to open your RealAudio player. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 2:48 am Subject: Re: d:Rubycon Really-From: Rich Maggio tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: feldon@n... > > Just got Rubycon! > > Yes, it is more refined and Edgar and the gang are definately more > organized. I still love Phaedra more, but Rubycon is definately heaven to > listen to. > Morgan, You hit it right on the nose. Phaedra is great, and Rubycon is like a more refined, polished Phaedra. I have to disagree with you on the choice made on Tangents - I think Edgar picked the high points of Rubycon. Certainly, the rest is fantastic as well, but he couldn't put the entire thing on Tangents! :-). I may be a bit biased about this because I first heard Rubycon on Tangents. Rubycon is way up there on my list of favorite TD CDs. Rich Maggio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 3:17 am Subject: Re: webcast again? Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Make sure you have it configured right.By default it sets up for 19.4kbps. so you need to change it. Robert At 02:26 AM 4/14/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: feldon@n... > > >Am I the only one who simply cannot get RealAudio to work? I've got a 56kbps >modem. Isn't that fast enough? > >Morgan Marks >feldon@n... > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 4:26 am Subject: Baumann Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' Does anyone know of any solo Peter Baumann releases that are at all possible to obtain? He's my hero... Maxwell A. Croy (aka Franklin) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5450 Baumann Larry E Smith Sat 6/28/1997 2 KB 5462 Re: Baumann Vic Rek Sat 6/28/1997 3 KB 5465 Re: Baumann Marcel Engels Sat 6/28/1997 3 KB 7792 Baumann Michael A Jean Thu 10/16/1997 2 KB 19277 Baumann =?iso-8859-2?Q?Richard_B=EDle Fri 11/19/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 3:54 am Subject: Re: webcast again? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: feldon@n... > > Am I the only one who simply cannot get RealAudio to work?... I can't get it to work either. It seems to install, Netscape says the plugin is there and responding, but when I try to use it, I just get an error message saying the plugin isn't there. I reinstall (again and again) with the same results. So far their tech support (forget the name of the company at the moment) is clueless. -- Mark (4whatitsworth) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 3:59 am Subject: Re: d:Rubycon Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: feldon@n... > > Just got Rubycon! ... > > I think that 'apocolyptic' is the best way to describe the first four > minutes of Rubycon part two. Starts out with air raid sirens and moves > to what could be best described as people screaming and passing through > a 'synthesizing box'. Absolutely amazing stuff. Interesting and colorful description, Morgan. I'll have to give it a new listen. Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 4:26 am Subject: Re: Ken Alexander Really-From: lllowen@n... (Lon Lowen) Andrew J. Rozsa writes: > I just want you all to know that Ken Alexander is > a man true to his word and very generous. > > Thanks to him, some mysteries and no longer mysteries to me.:-) > > I am grateful to him. Andrew, I am not sure why you say this, but I can certainly agree you wholeheartedly. If anyone is considering doing any trades/sales with Ken, I'd vouch for him. --lon -- Lon Lowen lllowen@n... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 5:10 am Subject: Soundtrack Really-From: AslanFan1@a... If you had to pick a movie that you could have selected TD to do the soundtrack to, what movie would it be? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2640 Re: Soundtrack Mark Filipak Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB 2655 Re: Soundtrack feldon@n... Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB 2658 Re: Soundtrack Sean Montgomery Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB 2660 Re: Soundtrack J.ESTEVE Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB 2672 Re: Soundtrack Plumer, Scott Tue 4/15/1997 3 KB 2675 Re: Soundtrack Lon Lowen Tue 4/15/1997 2 KB 2786 Re: Soundtrack PNaunton@a... Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 7899 Soundtrack AslanFan1@a... Mon 10/20/1997 4 KB 7906 The Man Inside (or, Re: Soundtrack) Dave Brewer Mon 10/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 5:41 am Subject: Re: Soundtrack Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: AslanFan1@a... > > If you had to pick a movie that you could have selected TD to do the > soundtrack to, what movie would it be? 'The Godfather' I would have loved to have sees a movie with both Brando and TD in it. Of course it would have been early Virgin TD, but that would've been perfect -- dark and moody. -- Mark (I wanna make ya an offer ya can't refuse) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 2:48 pm Subject: Re: webcast again? Really-From: Pixel tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) > > >'Stefan Stapelberg' > > Just to let everyone know, and to welcome Stefan here on our forum : > > He's 'Mr. tadream web homepage', and a nice fellow, if I may say so ;-) I agree :)) GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 4:03 pm Subject: Re: webcast again? Really-From: 'Stefan Stapelberg' Hi Morgan, >Am I the only one who simply cannot get RealAudio to work? I've got a 56kbps >modem. Isn't that fast enough? this is more than enough. You need only 28.8 kbps. The stream we send (see the sample sound clip on the webcast page) is an 28.8 Mono signal, which requires approx. 22 kbps netto speed. Which version of RA player do you use? You need at least 3.0. 2.0 will _not_ work since we use the latest RealAudio 28.8 Codec, which gives a _much_ better frequency range and sampling rate than what is available with the older 28.8 Codec used in RA 2.0. We have experimented with 28.8 2.0 and even 14.4 format, but the sound would be just too bad (14.4 being suitable only for speech). Hope this helps, best regards, Stefan -- Stefan Stapelberg Fon: +49-9352-89948 RENT-A-GURU (TM) Fax: +49-9352-89949 P.O. Box 1358 http://www.netstore.de/ D-97803 Lohr/Main ============================================================================= + Join the Tangerine Dream LiveCast on the Internet at Apr, 18th! + + Visit http://www.netstore.de/tadream/livemusic/ + + Sponsored by RENT-A-GURU, NTG Xlink GmbH, Progressive Networks, EMG + ============================================================================= From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 7:58 am Subject: Re: Concert impressions Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Sun, 13 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > > > >Fan Service : wonderful. 'Dream Collector' organized 'guest after show' > > passes and will continue to do so all over Germany. Where can I get the dream-collector ! PLEASE ! Mit den besten Gruessen vom Bodensee ! Rainer Rutka --------------------------------------------------------------------- K+R Informationssysteme Konstanz E-Mail : rainer@i... Klimas und Rutka GbR CIS : 100065,2273 Griesseggstrasse 27 D Internet: www.k-r.de (i.A.) Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 D-78462 Konstanz Fax : +49 (0)7531 29879 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'Zentrum fuer objektorientierte Softwareentwicklung und -design' Spezialisten fuer : SMALLTALK, UNIX und Windows/NT - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 9:15 am Subject: TD and GRASS Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers First of all. If anyone wants the TD 'Towards the Evening Star' + remix by the Orb (CD single or cool 12' colored vinyl), please let me know ASAP! I've already swapped my first two batches of singles and, as of today, there are now literally about 10 copies left around central London. I've asked at the stores and they say 'when these are gone, that's it; NO MORE.' What's worse, everytime I go back into the stores to get some for someone else, the price has gone UP--it's now double!!! Now they want up to $10 each for the remaining few singles! I've got a few but they're moving fast (honest this is not a sales pitch :-)... If you want one/some I'd prefer to trade (ANY reasonable offer considered) but I will sell them for $8 for 1 or $7 each for 4 or more plus $5 shipping and handing regardless of quantity (CD and vinyl are same price). I'll do this as long as my current supply holds out; after that, it will have to be $12 each. Please e-mail me off list soon. (If you're short of cash, I'll be happy to hold one for you for a month or so). You may think I have a 'ton' of these but I don't and much of what I do have is spoken for (I have less than 10 available). If you are a completist, have completist tendencies, think you might fall victim to the completist virus, act now! I just figured out too that the UK issue of GC has a different booklet (same content but diff layout and maybe 1-2 diff photos?) and a diff picture on the disc..... doh Second, did you know street slang around the markets here for asparagus is 'grass'? Usually 'finest English grass' or 'homegrown grass.' Looks mighty tasty too. |-) I might just sautee some up here soon. (And you probably thought this message was about Amsterdam! sorry!) lars (honest Abe, I'm not a used-car salesman!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2652 TD Orb Single Sean Montgomery Mon 4/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 9:16 am Subject: d: addendum, week of April 14 Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> D: List, Addendum; Week of April 14 Dream Roots Collection Enjoy! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 9:43 am Subject: Re: the brick, UK Really-From: Mark Edmonds >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >version, that it doesn't... If anyone in UK has to have this puppy, let me >know and I'll get you a copy in the states and save you some serious >poundage (like half); the same goes for Tangents (Mark E. didn't 'want' one >of these??). Assuming that is me, I never said I didn`t want one, I merely said that at 50 - 60 pounds which is the price I have seen this set going for, I thought it was a ridiculous price. -- Mark Edmonds From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 10:14 am Subject: Re: What's Goblin Club like? Really-From: Mark Edmonds Well buddy, as I started the thread which caused you to reply in such a petulant manner, I am entitled to express my response. Your comments below and your inability to cope with people stating their own views (and incidentaly, I never stated anything in a manner which is worthy of being called 'worthless, opinion-presented-as-gospel') smacks totally of an insular incestuous moronity, a blinkered pie-eyed view of the world, normally possesed by those people who live life with their tongue drilled up their own arse. I suggest you read my original post again: 1. All it contains are my views, never presented in any 'this is the truth' manner. 2. The reason I posted in the first place was because I was _asking_ for information, not stating it. 3. How the fuck did it cause you to feel that it was disrespectful to the likes of yourself?! -- Mark Edmonds >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >Has TD's music declined in quality? I don't think so. > >I don't like GC much, but there's a big difference between saying 'I >don't like GC' (which I usually keep to myself) and saying 'I have felt >a distinct decline in quality of TD's music' and, even more, wasting >bandwidth posting an agreement with such sentiments. What purpose does this list serve if it doesn`t cater for people discussing the good or bad aspects of TD's music? Oh, sorry, I didn`t realise it is to allow some people to post holier-than-thou statements. >Point of fact: The tracks are as long or longer than most of those from >albums after 85. So fucking what? Who gives a creeping jesus shit if the tracks are longer? I believe we are in this for the music and not the minutes/track quota. >Point of fact: The albums have more tracks and are longer overall than >when they were during the years I prefer (71-84) -- of course this is >due to the differences between LPs and CDs, but nonetheless is a fact. And it is also totally irrelevant. As stated, quality - not quantity. >Point of fact: Number of Grammy nominations before 1991: zero. Number >of Grammy nominations after 1990: seven (for what that's worth -- >nothing in my opinion, but some people consider this significant). Hilary Clinton receiving a Grammy was pretty significant to me - it showed what a worthless bunch of horse shit the grammies are. >Point of fact: Some people -prefer- TD-lite. What is TD-lite? I haven`t heard that expression before. >Opinion: TD music has never been so complex as it is now, with (too >many?) changes and subthemes -- example: 'Darwin's Motel' -- all >subject to opinion of course (I haven't counted the notes). Complexity is no measure of the musical quality and if anything, it suggests to me that they are masking a lack of simple and clear musical ideas with heavily and unnecessarily complex layers. >Opinion: Edgar & co. are working as hard as ever and are being >appreciated less by some people -- beauty is in the ear of the beholder. An absolute truth - maybe that is why some people don't buy the new albums. >Opinion: GC isn't going to perform through-the-ear brain surgery on me >like most of the pre-85 works do, but it's still much more interesting >than 99% of all the music that is currently being released -- of the >24,000 CDs released last year, how many did you buy? I just don`t understand this! I mean what is the point of this statement? Maybe you will care to expand on this please? >Opinion: Below are some recent, worthless, opinion-presented-as-gospel >posts -- I wish _they_ were half as good as GC is! > >__|_______ > | >Mark Edmonds wrote: > >I don`t know if I am alone in this but I have felt a distinct decline in >quality of TD's music over the last few years... >__|_______ > | >Chris Towers wrote: > >I agree with you on your statements about TDs music. By far the greatest >line up was the Froese, Franke, Schmoelling... >__|_______ > | See above. > >Go ahead and flame me if you like. I just wish some people would grow >up and accept that there are differences of opinion and would stop >spouting off like they're gods or the ultimate judges of TD. Go ahead >and write that you don't like such-and-such and by all means, _why_ you >don't like such-and-such, but have some respect for the rest of us and >for the band. > >Regards -- Mark (now donning his asbestos suit) Incidentally Mark, the exit tour dates will be e-mailed off today. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 12:51 pm Subject: Re: Sol et Luna Really-From: pjv@a... (Phil Vendy) >'So, you in fact don't really have any cheese, do you?' > >'Oh, yes sir! This is a cheese shop.' > >Which is to say, you don't really have any ******* 'Sol et Luna' do you? > >Could have fooled me. -- Mark Steady on, Mark, that's the kind of thing Mark Filipak would object to, and he'd be right. With the genuine article held up in front of my pc - right here, see? - follow my finger, see what it says - note the spelling mistake, just where I'm pointing now - I will try hard to think of some connection between cheese and my attempt to pass on a bit of useful info for the benefit of the people on the list who may REALLY not have any ******* 'Sol et Luna', and who in the previous few days had only been given part of the track listing. For ricecake, why do I bother? Where's the gateway back to earth? Where's my mum? Cheer-o Phil V From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 1:15 pm Subject: Baumanns' REPEAT REPEAT Really-From: Craig Shipley As to the gentleman that asked about this LP/CD, unless you are a fan of cheesy disco crap, avoid this release like the plague! I bought the LP way back when and it was a huge disappointment. 'P.B. & The Sunshine Band???' Well, almost.... STRANGERS IN THE NIGHT was almost as bad. With these two releases, you would have never imagined that that PB was in as good of a band as TD (was). Stick with ROMANCE '76 & TRANSHARMONIC NIGHTS (and the Baumann/Koek release, if you can find it, heh-heh-heh....) Anyone check out the CUE Records Homepage lately? Tons o' new and old synth artists there (hello Paul, saw EARTHSHAPER there!) and most were just added on April 11th. Hello, whats' this!?! All three of the Space Art releases are on CD now?!?! Hello, CUE!!! That's all for now... Craig Shipley craigs@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2683 Re: Baumanns' REPEAT REPEAT Rainer Rutka Tue 4/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 1:27 pm Subject: Another Sampler - Race Traxx Really-From: Vic Rek Just picked up this sampler and I'd like to share the details with you: Race Traxx 'Das Offizielle Album Zum Formel 1 - Grand Prix' Germany Ultrapop/Edel 0096852ULT, 1995 T. Dream - track 14 'Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe' 3:49 Other artists: Mach 1, Yello, Harold Faltermeyer, Fun Factory, The Art of Noise, Steve Mason, Herbie Hancock, Vision Gliders, Jan Hammer, Round One, Shifter, Rofo, and Online Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 1:54 pm Subject: Repeat. Repeat Really-From: Michael A Jean RE: Baumann albums Came out in 81-or 82, it is all VOCAL tracks, with a bizarre techno sound... He also has another album with vocals call STRANGERS IN THE NIGHT (I think) I haven't played it in over 10 years... (1983) The artist is justlisted as BAUMANN, but it's him... There were also 12' singles for both albums which I have somewhere... Mike J Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2789 Re: Repeat. Repeat PNaunton@a... Fri 4/18/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 2:15 pm Subject: TD Orb Single Really-From: Sean Montgomery Well, I got my 'Towards the Evening Star' remix CD, at the HMV in Toronto. The only copy they had...and it was filed under 'Orb' in the dance section, so bear that in mind if you're hunting for it. It was $12.99 (about $8 U.S.). Musically, as noted previously, the remix has nothing to do with the original (not unusual for an Orb re-do). Perhaps Mr. Patterson was more stoned than usual for this one, because it doesn't offer very much. It has a nice chunky rhythm, but that's about it. The original may be bit sweet sounding, but it least it displays awareness of composition and melody! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 10:51 pm Subject: I've been unsubscribed? Really-From: anunes@m... I have received only 2 tadream messages from the 04/12 and no messages from the 04/13 and 04/14. I've tried the 'who' message to majordomo, but no answer too. Is the server down or am I majordomo's Victim of the Week? :-( Please reply to my mailbox. Antonio Nunes anunes@m... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 3:05 pm Subject: Re: webcast again? Really-From: feldon@n... At 07:47 PM 4/13/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Greg' > > >From: tadream mailing list >> To: tadream@c... >> Subject: Re: webcast again? >> Date: Sunday, April 13, 1997 7:26 PM >> >> Really-From: feldon@n... >> >> >> Am I the only one who simply cannot get RealAudio to work? I've got a >56kbps >> modem. Isn't that fast enough? >> > Do you have RealAudio ver. 3.0? and if you installed it recently, did you >shut down your web browser and opened it again? Check to see if the >RealAudio mime is configured correctly. I only had RealAudio 2.1 installed. Anyway, I've installed 3.0 and now it works. Geez, it really does a number on the 'Logos' sample on their front page... Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 3:06 pm Subject: Re: Soundtrack Really-From: feldon@n... At 01:10 AM 4/14/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: AslanFan1@a... > > >If you had to pick a movie that you could have selected TD to do the >soundtrack to, what movie would it be? Das Boot. Morgan feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2658 Re: Soundtrack Sean Montgomery Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 11:31 pm Subject: Re: What's Goblin Club like? Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' I hope Mark Edmonds doesn't mind me jumping on this bandwagon, but I have a couple of comments to make on this. I know Mark E's already had his second say, but I thought I'd have a go minus all the swear words 8-). (And for those Filipak-minded out there, the above is not a rebuke on Mark E (as if I had the right), but merely a statement of fact : Mark E's contained swear words and this one doesn't). > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > Has TD's music declined in quality? I don't think so. > > I don't like GC much, but there's a big difference between saying 'I > don't like GC' (which I usually keep to myself) and saying 'I have felt > a distinct decline in quality of TD's music' and, even more, wasting > bandwidth posting an agreement with such sentiments. > I'm afraid you've shot yourself in the foot immediately here, Mark (F). Just take the words '... quality? I don't think so.', and there you have the whole of this argument in a nut-shell. 'Quality' is, by its very nature, subjective. I should know since I am in the process of implementing improvements to my company business in order to make the identification of Quality more objective : metrics, verification, reporting, etc. A long way off, yet, IMHO. And then you follow that up by saying 'I don't think so.'. So if you don't think that is the case, what gives you the right to give Mark E a hard time if he thinks it _is_ the case? (although I take his subsequent point that he was looking for information on this topic, not stating a fact). > Point of fact: The tracks are as long or longer than most of those from > albums after 85. > > Point of fact: The albums have more tracks and are longer overall than > when they were during the years I prefer (71-84) -- of course this is > due to the differences between LPs and CDs, but nonetheless is a fact. Ever heard the phrase - 'Forget the quality, feel the breadth'? A lot of people (not necessarily me, you, any other person on this list/planet/universe) believe that quality is reduced as a result of higher quantity. Unfortunately, your two points above are a vote for quantity, not necessarily quality. > Point of fact: Number of Grammy nominations before 1991: zero. Number > of Grammy nominations after 1990: seven (for what that's worth -- > nothing in my opinion, but some people consider this significant). Here we do have a potential indication of quality, but as you yourself point out it means more to some than others. Some have suggested (and we may never really know) that TD's recent introduction to the joys of the Grammies are purely the result of moving to America and adopting a more 'commercial' attitude. (Yeah, I'm waiting for some comment back on this one, but it's the best I can do in the short time I have.) > Point of fact: Some people -prefer- TD-lite. Undeniably. However, there seem few on this list who feel that the previous twenty years work was 'poor', although a number of list members do seem to believe that TD are going through a 'bad patch' at the moment. Of course, there are various reasons for why this could be (the list talk, not the alleged 'bad patch') : 1. more people on this list have been around for longer in TD terms and so have their roots in olden times, whereas as few have their roots in the present. 2. the list only attracts 'oldies' because the 'newies' get such a hard time. (That's only two of possibly thousands of reasons). > Opinion: TD music has never been so complex as it is now, with (too > many?) changes and subthemes -- example: 'Darwin's Motel' -- all > subject to opinion of course (I haven't counted the notes). > > Opinion: Edgar & co. are working as hard as ever and are being > appreciated less by some people -- beauty is in the ear of the beholder. > > Opinion: GC isn't going to perform through-the-ear brain surgery on me > like most of the pre-85 works do, but it's still much more interesting > than 99% of all the music that is currently being released -- of the > 24,000 CDs released last year, how many did you buy? The above are all as you state - opinions - and as such you are entitled to them. I even agree with most of them. > Opinion: Below are some recent, worthless, opinion-presented-as-gospel > posts -- I wish _they_ were half as good as GC is! I'm afraid that despite this being your opinion, and you being entitled to it, I find this offensive (and it's not even directed at me). To denounce any comment made on this list as 'worthless' is, at best, impolite and, at worst ... well I don't know what (remember I said I wasn't going to swear before). Someone with a better grasp on vocabulary could maybe help me out here. And quite where you got the 'opinion-presented-as-gospel' viewpoint, I don't know. > __|_______ > | > Mark Edmonds wrote: > > I don`t know if I am alone in this but I have felt a distinct decline in > quality of TD's music over the last few years... The above sentence contains the words 'felt' and 'quality', both of which indicate feeling or opinion, in my mind at least. That alone, even without the rest of the post (and we all know the consequences of reading things out of context ...) should have given you a clue. > __|_______ > | > Chris Towers wrote: > > I agree with you on your statements about TDs music. By far the greatest > line up was the Froese, Franke, Schmoelling... > __|_______ > | Of course, this one is far more difficult! Why, Chris should have followed up the whole thing with an 'IMHO' in order to keep things clear! Right, Mark (F)? > > Go ahead and flame me if you like. I just wish some people would grow > up and accept that there are differences of opinion and would stop > spouting off like they're gods or the ultimate judges of TD. Go ahead > and write that you don't like such-and-such and by all means, _why_ you > don't like such-and-such, but have some respect for the rest of us and > for the band. Unfortunately, the only person on this list who fits this description (IN MY OPINION) is you, Mark. I wish you would realise that just because someone doesn't put a 'IMO' every second word doesn't mean he/she is trying to tell you something. He/she may still be expressing an opinion and not 'spouting off like they're gods'. And, although a topic touched on before, if we are not the ultimate judges of TD, then who are? The band may well be the only people with the definitive answer to a particular question or the reason behind a particular action, but given their secrecy, are we not entitled to speculate? Outside the band's very tight clique of members, family, friends and business associates, are certain people on this list (some of whom almost fit into that category) not the next best thing? We have some real experts here, so they are presumably the next best thing. And, as far as 'respect for the rest of us' is concerned, perhaps you should have more respect for the opinions and 'rights' of the rest of the list before preaching for the list to do likewise. > Regards -- Mark (now donning his asbestos suit) Hope this won't prevent our occassional personal dealings, Mark (F). --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2680 Re: What's Goblin Club like? Mark Filipak Tue 4/15/1997 3 KB 2787 Re: What's Goblin Club like? PNaunton@a... Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 2888 Re: What's Goblin Club like? Dennis Nigbur Mon 4/21/1997 3 KB 2952 Re: What's Goblin Club like? TangerineC@a... Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 3:59 pm Subject: Roots CD five Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' I've recently bought CD 5 of the Dream Roots Collection, which contain the unreleased material. But I don't like it at all! It's too Canyon Dreams to me. If somebody wants it, maybe we can do a swap (rare/boots?). Private mails, please. Marcel fsp@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2684 Re: Roots CD five TangerineC@a... Tue 4/15/1997 2 KB 2686 Re: Roots CD five Mark Filipak Tue 4/15/1997 2 KB 2687 Re: Roots CD five Mark Filipak Tue 4/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 4:08 pm Subject: Re: Soundtrack Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >If you had to pick a movie that you could have selected TD to do the > >soundtrack to, what movie would it be? An obvious one would be Blade Runner, although Vangelis' score is fantastic as is, of course. How about 'The Terminator'? (actually, most James Cameron movies would be good candidates....Aliens, The Abyss). Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 4:14 pm Subject: RE: Baumann releases Really-From: Jim Moore Really-From: Rich Maggio >Well, I may have answered part of my >question here. The text below is from >the German Music Express web site: Could you give a URL for the site? >What is Repeat Repeat? An older 'greatest hits' >release? No, it's Bauman attempting lyrics... 'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 6:01 pm Subject: RE: Soundtrack Really-From: 'J.ESTEVE' ---------- > De: tadream mailing list > A: tadream@c... > Asunto: Re: Soundtrack > Fecha: lunes 14 de abril de 1997 17:06 > > Really-From: feldon@n... > > > At 01:10 AM 4/14/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Really-From: AslanFan1@a... > > > > > >If you had to pick a movie that you could have selected TD to do the > >soundtrack to, what movie would it be? > > Das Boot. > > > Morgan > feldon@n... I choose The Bear patricia@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 6:49 pm Subject: thoughts on Stratosfear...... Really-From: Alexander Bjelke When hearing Stratosfear for the first time ever on saturday, a lot of thougts swirl in my mind.. It is really EXELENT!! best music I have heard in ages. The track that really strikes me is track 3: 3 am At The Border Of The Marsh From Okefenokee.. I think it has a very interesting build-up; it starts almost like an count down, then ŤThe Big, Bad and Ugly Soundť fades in...it actully scares me...you can feel something TERRIBLE and CRUEL is happening, and when the sound reach hysteria, it fades out. But even then the music remains dramatic for a while, before the elements harmonise and a beatifull flute starts playing...it feels like a big relief when the song settles down after such a dramatic ragnarok... Perhaps you dont understand what Im talking about, but that is my thougths and feelings when hearing that track. Its very emotional, and very difficult to describe.Perhaps Im all mistaken?? BTW, Im feeling a bit stupid Ťdiscoveringť Tangerine Dream 20 years after everyone else. But, since their music is 30 years ahead of most music, Im still 10 years ahead of non-dreamers ;) Pleasent Dreams Alexander Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2668 Re: thoughts on Stratosfear...... Francisco Salgado C. Mon 4/14/1997 3 KB 2669 Re: thoughts on Stratosfear...... Vincent Goudreault Mon 4/14/1997 4 KB 2823 Re: thoughts on Stratosfear...... Mark Jones Sat 4/19/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 12:50 pm Subject: Re: Rumpelstiltskin Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: AslanFan1@a... > > > I had a number of list members contact me regarding new CD copies of > Tangerine Dream's out of print release Rumpelstiltskin. Is anyone else > looking for it? I have a shot at getting more from a different source but > need to know the interest level. I don't think this one's going to ever go > back in print, so please email me off list if you're interested. Thanks! OH YES ! I'm looking for it - still missing ;-() Mit den besten Gruessen vom Bodensee ! Rainer Rutka --------------------------------------------------------------------- K+R Informationssysteme Konstanz E-Mail : rainer@i... Klimas und Rutka GbR CIS : 100065,2273 Griesseggstrasse 27 D Internet: www.k-r.de (i.A.) Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 D-78462 Konstanz Fax : +49 (0)7531 29879 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'Zentrum fuer objektorientierte Softwareentwicklung und -design' Spezialisten fuer : SMALLTALK, UNIX und Windows/NT - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 3:21 pm Subject: Re: TD Compilation Available Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Sun, 13 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Robert Grabowsky > Minette Music has a Tangerine Dream Compilation available.The cost is $35. > You can contact Dave at (505) 882-4830. > > Here is the track listing: > > Quasar > One Night in Medina > I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You > Das Madchen auf der Treppe > Katja > Eleanor Rigby > Theif Yang and the Tangram Seal > Alexander Square (long version) > House of the Rising Sun > Canyon Carver > Canyon Voices > Lost Tale > Vermillion Sands > Time Steps > Galago > > Total Length 68:27 > > I have a copy and the quality is GREAT. > > I have done this because Dave is not online yet and he wanted TD fans to > know about this. > Thanks for taking a look, > Robert HI Robert ! Wanna get a copy of the obove CD ! Possible for me to get one copy here ? ;-=) Mit den besten Gruessen vom Bodensee ! Rainer Rutka --------------------------------------------------------------------- K+R Informationssysteme Konstanz E-Mail : rainer@i... Klimas und Rutka GbR CIS : 100065,2273 Griesseggstrasse 27 D Internet: www.k-r.de (i.A.) Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 D-78462 Konstanz Fax : +49 (0)7531 29879 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'Zentrum fuer objektorientierte Softwareentwicklung und -design' Spezialisten fuer : SMALLTALK, UNIX und Windows/NT - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 7:15 pm Subject: soundtrack Really-From: Michael Fox >If you had to pick a movie that you could have selected TD to do the >soundtrack to, what movie would it be? I've already done it! I mixed a bunch of TD (mostly Virgin yrs stuff) to the German silent classic 'Metropolis'. German film/German band. It came out great and I've recieved many compliments on it. Mike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2667 Re: soundtrack Sean Montgomery Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB 2678 Re: soundtrack Michael Fox Tue 4/15/1997 2 KB 2698 Re: soundtrack Plumer, Scott Tue 4/15/1997 2 KB 2721 soundtrack Michael Fox Wed 4/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 7:24 pm Subject: Re:Webcast Really-From: Michael Fox Just a quick note about modem speeds. Check with your Internet Provider to make sure you can use all your speed. Some providers top out at 28.8, so if you have a faster modem 28.8 is all you can move. Also (it was posted earlier) those of us in the states are probably SOL on the webcast as we have to go through the trans atlantic pipe which I'm sure is clogged and S-L-O-W. Best of luck! Mike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27188 Webcast Chris Owen Thu 5/24/2001 3 KB 27245 Webcast justin.ludford@l... Sun 5/27/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 7:32 pm Subject: Re: An Introduction to Tangerine Dream -- Sorry, I goofed. Really-From: SYensen@a... << Someone replied on-list >> I think that was me. I'm new to this lark, but certainly not new to TD's music, having started with 'Alpha Centauri' and 10 or so from then. Cassettes and vinyls, of course; I have yet to buy my first CD!!!! It seems that a lot has been happening since 'Rockoon' (my last TD album), although I have been keeping an eye on Chris Franke's music. I had assumed, quite wrongly it seems, that Tangerine Dream had split up! Steve. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 7:45 pm Subject: Re: soundtrack Really-From: Sean Montgomery > I've already done it! I mixed a bunch of TD (mostly Virgin yrs stuff) to the > German silent classic 'Metropolis'. What a great idea! That must be interesting, indeed. Certainly an improvement over Queen! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 9:11 pm Subject: Re: thoughts on Stratosfear...... Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > > When hearing Stratosfear for the first time ever on saturday, a lot of > thougts swirl in my mind.. > It is really EXELENT!! best music I have heard in ages. [...] > BTW, Im feeling a bit stupid Ťdiscoveringť Tangerine Dream 20 years > after everyone else. But, since their > music is 30 years ahead of most music, Im still 10 years ahead of > non-dreamers ;) Thank you for sharing your thougth with us. You are lucky, you have a long way up to experience TD music, and every time you'll find that kind of shiver it happen to you when hearing someting that touches your soul. Look for Ricochet. Then Phaedra and Rubycon, next Force Majeure, don't miss Cyclone ( although many don't like it), continue with tangram and .... Dream On --- Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 9:35 pm Subject: Re: thoughts on Stratosfear...... Attachment attachment Type: text/plain Size: 2k Download From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: TD Compilation Available Really-From: Steven Feldman >TD Compilation Available >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 04:09:38 +0000 >Really-From: Robert Grabowsky > >Minette Music has a Tangerine Dream Compilation available. The cost is >$35. You can contact Dave at (505) 882-4830. > > Here is the track listing: > > Quasar > One Night in Medina > I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You > Das Madchen auf der Treppe > Katja > Eleanor Rigby > Theif Yang and the Tangram Seal > Alexander Square (long version) > House of the Rising Sun > Canyon Carver > Canyon Voices > Lost Tale > Vermillion Sands > Time Steps > Galago > > Total Length 68:27 Huh?!? This strikes me as a b**t. Since when does Minnette traffick in such?!? I'm sorta pissed. The folks at Minnette called me yesterday to comfirm an order and the Orb CD single was mentioned but this little compilation puppy was *not*. Is this a gag, perhaps? -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 10:27 pm Subject: Tangram Thoughts Really-From: Greg Heil Hello All, I've been listening to Tangram non-stop ever since I got the album two weeks ago. The sound is wonderful, and the anlog instruments almost give a sense of sculped sound--something I cannot sense in the newer, more complex electronic instruments. I especially like the sounds of the flutes, horns, trumpets, chimes, etc.. the feeling they get with these analog synths is way ahead of it's time. Part of the bed wrap these older insturments have is that they only saw the light of day on older albums, when recording technology isn't as good as it is today. Just listen to Stratosfear 1995, Catwalk, and Catwalk--Dream Mixes ed. the analog synths sound wonderful. Anyway, here's an impression of the first part of Tangram. It's very literal, maybe to literal of an impression. 1. The intro to Tangram part 1 has spawned an idea.. I think the intro is truthful to the album's name, in that if you follow the squencer (flute sound) as it plays, (time 2:58) it will eventually begin to try and find the right melody to allow the song to advance--as if to form the right 'sequence' on a tangram board to complete the puzzle or game.. and when it does, the chimes ring as to show victory, and the sequencer melody then repeats the 'correct' sequence until the next transition. Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 11:01 pm Subject: RE: Soundtrack > >If you had to pick a movie that you could have selected TD to do the > >soundtrack to, what movie would it be? Nosferatu. The original, of course. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 11:04 pm Subject: Setlist for Bonn? Tape? Anyone get the setlist for Bonn? Anyone tape it? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 1:00 am Subject: Re: Baumann releases Really-From: Rich Maggio The URL for German Music Express is: http://www.musicexpress.com/ I have placed an order with them in the past an I have found them to be a good place to do business with. I received my order within 3 weeks. My only dissapointment was that they couldn't get Epsilon in Malaysian Pale for me, but that really isn't their fault. They ship from the Netherlands. I received my order via the post office here in the US. It was shipped registered mail - meaning I had to sign for it. BTW, they are affiliated with CD Connection. Hope this helps. Rich Magio > > >Well, I may have answered part of my > >question here. The text below is from > >the German Music Express web site: > > Could you give a URL for the site? > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 12:58 am Subject: Re: Soundtrack Really-From: lllowen@n... (Lon Lowen) > If you had to pick a movie that you could have selected TD to do the > soundtrack to, what movie would it be? Field of Dreams. Maybe Le Femme Nakita or Point of No Return. --lon -- Lon Lowen lllowen@n... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 14, 1997 11:10 pm Subject: Peter Baumann cd's Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) In response to TD digest #889, is somebody looking for Peter Baumann on CD ? I happen to have one I'd be willing to part with for the right trade. I have: Repeat Repeat on Virgin UK catalogue # CDV 2214. It's only been played once, and is in excellent condition. For anyone interested, reply off-list to: WDQM60A@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 3:28 am Subject: Re: TD Compilation Available Really-From: Robert Grabowsky This is not a gag!!!!!!! It is real.Call them again. Robert > Huh?!? This strikes me as a b**t. Since when does Minnette >traffick in such?!? > I'm sorta pissed. The folks at Minnette called me yesterday to >comfirm an order and the Orb CD single was mentioned but this little >compilation puppy was *not*. > Is this a gag, perhaps? > > -- Steven Feldman and > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 4:17 am Subject: Re: soundtrack Really-From: Michael Fox I thot about this one----but I couldn't come up with the 'mood'. One of my fave movies, though. MF>> >If you had to pick a movie that you could have selected TD to do the >> >soundtrack to, what movie would it be? > > >Nosferatu. The original, of course From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 4:58 am Subject: Re: An Introduction to Tangerine Dream Really-From: Robrann@a... Mark: Yes Mark - Please attach the TD info - thanks ! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 5:27 am Subject: Re: What's Goblin Club like? Really-From: Mark Filipak This is turning out very different from what I thought I was going to write. I thought 'I don't like GC' was opinion and 'I have felt a distinct decline in quality of TD's music' was plain arrogance masquerading as opinion. In response to Graig Cordrey's post I started a response based on that premise. I developed a nice line of arguement that led me to realize two things. First, 'I don't like GC' isn't an opinion, it's a fact. And second, if Mark Edmonds' statement is arrogance masquerading as opinion, then what is opinion? I tried to formulate an opinion that didn't have any 'arrogant' elements in it and failed! Whoa, epiphany! So I want to appologize to Mark Edmonds for being a jerk and thank Graig Cordrey for pointing it out so tactfully and getting me to think about it. I imagine I've labored under this misconception for my whole life, but I think I may have lost a hot button, or at least, people with such strong opinions might not so easily invoke my fight or flight response. I just went to the digest (which I also get and just stash) and reread Mark's post. I must have been having a bad day when it was first posted 'cause upon rereading it, it's not even all that inflamatory. Hello. My name is Mark and I am a jerk. (Well, it's a start :-) I still love all TD music -- just some better than others depending on my mood. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 7:18 am Subject: TD tour Europe: Results of the first concerts ?? Really-From: Jeroen Geerts ** High Priority ** As far as I know TD has started their concert tour in Europe Vienna/Leipzig etc) . I haven't seen reactions.... JJ Geerts From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 8:07 am Subject: Where did the name TD come from? Really-From: TangerineC@a... Well lets see. I believe in 1966 or 1967 there was an album from a group called Kaleidoscope. And the name of that album is called Tangerine Dream. Is this a coincidence? It would seem to me that if Edgar did'nt get the name from this album, it would be a very strange coincidence, since the words Tangerine Dream was not a known term before the band existed. Hmmmm..... Edgar Froese wont say where the name comes from? I think with a little musical homework, one can figure it out. It's no big mystery. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 8:52 am Subject: Re: Baumanns' REPEAT REPEAT Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Craig Shipley > Stick with ROMANCE '76 & TRANSHARMONIC NIGHTS (and the Baumann/Koek release, if you can find it, heh-heh-heh....) > BE CAREFUL ! The Baumann/Koek LP is _NOT_ Peter Baumann. That is a mistake ! The Baumann/Koek-LP was released approx. 12 years ago by WOLFANG Baumann and Eta Koeck from Kempten/Germany. It is a nice electronic album but has nothing to do with PETER Baumann. Best wishes ! Rainer Rutka --------------------------------------------------------------------- K+R Informationssysteme Konstanz E-Mail : rainer@i... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 9:15 am Subject: Re: Roots CD five Really-From: TangerineC@a... What are the songs on the 5th cd of Dream Roots? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 9:58 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #888 Really-From: R.A.Jinks@e... > Subject: concert in bonn 4/11/97 > > Really-From: van hove > > > > Indeed the first part was great; they started with Waterborne from the Oasis > CD and played > a magical Stratosfear, Tangram, Livemiles, Dominion etc.... > The first part was 70 minutes > The secons part was the new stuff which took off with Flashblood from Oasis > CD and they > playes three tracks from Goblins Club, and some remixes.. > > Hmm. Strange. After the Sheperds Bush concert, I emailed the TD office about the new tour, asking if they were likely to be doing the same sort of thing. The reply was (and I quote) 'All we can say now is that it will not be the same musically.' To me, it sounds as if the tour is vitually the same as Spheperds Bush. I did consider paying the money to go to Europe, but I think I might as well wait now to see if they turn up in the UK. Does anyone else think their statement is entirely accurate? -- R.A.Jinks@e... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 10:24 am Subject: Re: Roots CD five Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > What are the songs on the 5th cd of Dream Roots? 1- Valley of the Sun [15:07] 2- Beach Bay Bunker [9:41] 3- Vanishing Blue [9:13] 4- Red Morpho [11:39] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 10:27 am Subject: Re: Roots CD five Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > What are the songs on the 5th cd of Dream Roots? 1- Valley of the Sun [15:07] 2- Beach Bay Bunker [9:41] 3- Vanishing Blue [9:13] 4- Red Morpho [11:39] All are Edgar Froese and Chris Franke, date from Oct 85 to Jan 86, and are previously unreleased. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 10:50 am Subject: Re: BECOME THE OTHER (no Direct TD) Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > BTW, you mentioned Hawkwind. As a Hawkwind novise, who > loves the instrumental tracks on Electric Tepee, which > would you suggest as a next step? The instrumental tracks on Electric Tepee are second to none, IMO. You might want to check out 'It's the Business of the Future to be Dangerous'. It has many instrumental tracks in a similar style to Electric Tepee. I've often wondered why no-one has produced a compilation of Hawkwind's best instrumental tracks, cos there sure are a lot of 'em. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 12:59 pm Subject: Midifiles Really-From: Platiau Philippe Hello, I'm looking for midifiles of TD. Are there any midifiles on the net ? Thanks a lot BiP From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: TOO BLOODY LOUD!!! Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... Hello, >I just come back from the Tangerine Dream performance in Bonn. >Unfortunately, I must say I am somewhat disappointed. I had a >place in the 4th row just in the middle in front of the stage, >but the bass of the music system was THAT loud (never experienced >something like that) that my stomach nearly turned, and it sent me >shivers (and not some of pleasure) down my body. So I had to move >back to the rear side of the hall, and it was still worse than the >worst hardcore techno (not that I listen to techno). Just to give >you an image of the situation: The bass was so loud that the only >things that could be heard of TD's music was: > > 1) The bass, > 2) the not-so-well-played guitar of the replacement of Mark Hornby > and 3) the wild drum parts of the other new person playing with TD. I am REALLY glad that someone else has mentioned this. I was beginning to believe that my complaints about obscenely loud music placed me in a minority of one. I spent most of the Shepherd's Bush concert with my hands over my ears. The worst concert for ridiculous volume was Pink Floyd at Earl's Court in October 1994. We were about 150 yards from the stage - had we been any closer I would have had to walk out. During Gilmour's screaming guitar intros and outtros to 'Sorrow' and the bass solo in 'One of These Days' I was HIDING behind the guy in front in order to get out of the firing line. Why oh why do bands insist on doing this? (Not to mention nightclub DJs). Music is supposed to be a pleasurable experience - not the equivalent of being beaten around the head. What I find particularly frightening in situations like this is that I look around at everyone else...and it doesn't seem to be bothering them. There was a guy at the Klaus Schulze concert last year sitting directly in front of one of the huge speakers, having a great time and seemingly oblivious to the fact that no human being with normal, undamaged ears should be able to sit where he was sitting. Here's a prediction: The most common health problem in the early 21st century will not be cancer or AIDS or any of that stuff, but chronic deafness. Glynn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 12:20 pm Subject: Baumann/Koek ??? Really-From: Vic Rek BAUMANN/KOEK??? I keep hearing conflicting information about this release. Since I'll be posting the solo discussion list starting in June, I have to be sure what this release really is. 'Voices in the Dunes' book lists it under Peter Baumann (but there are some mistakes in the book I'm told), but this is not the first time I hear that it's not by him. I have this LP and it does sounds like music that Peter would create, so I'm confused. >> Stick with ROMANCE '76 & TRANSHARMONIC NIGHTS (and the Baumann/Koek release, if you can find it, heh-heh-heh....) > >BE CAREFUL ! > >The Baumann/Koek LP is _NOT_ Peter Baumann. That is a mistake ! >The Baumann/Koek-LP was released approx. 12 years ago by WOLFANG >Baumann and Eta Koeck from Kempten/Germany. It is a nice electronic >album but has nothing to do with PETER Baumann. I don't question Rainer's credibility here, but I would just like to hear from more of you 'old TD pros' about this. Maybe this has been cleared up already on this list, but I would like to see some more posts on this. Thanks, Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2694 Baumann/Koek (again) Rainer Rutka Tue 4/15/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 1:21 pm Subject: D:Dream Roots Collection CD 5 Really-From: Vic Rek I'm not going to discuss the other 4 CDs in the box (except that I like the covers) becuase it's just another compilation. I do like the way the box set is packaged and I definitely like the huge CD-sized booklet in it. I'm also happy that this box set is CD-sized, not like Tangents or other boxed sets I have. These odd sized boxed sets don't store easily on my CD rack and therefore probably get less airtime on my stereo. The music on CD 5 is good. I just can't get enought of the first track 'Valley of the Sun'. This is awesome TD as far as I'm concerned. The other three tracks just kind of go by as I recover from the first. So in practice, the box set contains just one track that I listen to which I paid around $50 for. I think it should be a crime to bundle a few new tracks with a compilation! Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 1:52 pm Subject: Re: Stratosfear Really-From: Tom Richmond > The track that really strikes me is track 3: 3 am At The Border Of The > Marsh From Okefenokee.. > I think it has a very interesting build-up; it starts almost like an > count down, then ŤThe Big, Bad and Ugly Soundť fades in...it actully > scares me...you can feel something TERRIBLE and CRUEL is happening, and > when the sound reach hysteria, it fades out. But even then the music > remains dramatic for a while, before the elements harmonise and a > beatifull flute starts playing...it feels like a big relief when the > song settles down after such a dramatic ragnarok... > > Perhaps you dont understand what Im talking about, but that is my > thougths and feelings when hearing that track. Its very emotional, and > very difficult to describe.Perhaps Im all mistaken?? > > BTW, Im feeling a bit stupid Ťdiscoveringť Tangerine Dream 20 years > after everyone else. But, since their > music is 30 years ahead of most music, Im still 10 years ahead of > non-dreamers ;) > > Pleasent Dreams > Alexander Usually I just lurk around here, but your post woke me up. Stratosfear was my first exposure to TD back in 1977. I understand exactly what you're talking about. The music makes you actually feel something. For me that's what music is all about. It is a personal experience and will therefore be different for every listener. I for one am growing tired of all the sniping on this list because of differences of opinion. If we all had the same opinion we wouldn't have much to discuss, would we? TD was what I had on my turntable while everybody else was at the discos (scary wasn't it). I will be forever grateful for having found an alternative to the brain damage that was disco. (There was a lot of other drivel out in the seventies as well, but I hated disco most, Barry Manilow next...) For anyone else out there... what particular music, TD or otherwise, reaches out and grabs you as strongly as Stratosfear did Alexander and I. I'd like to hear about it. (I'd also like to buy some of it, but that's another story, severely limited by budget constraints - the family likes to eat and all that.) (Back to lurk mode.) Tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2699 Re: Stratosfear Rainer Rutka Tue 4/15/1997 2 KB 2824 Re: Stratosfear Mark Jones Sat 4/19/1997 3 KB 2826 Re: Stratosfear Mark Filipak Sat 4/19/1997 2 KB 2834 Re: Stratosfear Mark Jones Sat 4/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 4:11 pm Subject: Baumann/Koek (again) Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Vic Rek > > BAUMANN/KOEK??? > > I keep hearing conflicting information about this release. Since I'll be > posting the solo discussion list starting in June, I have to be sure what > this release really is. 'Voices in the Dunes' book lists it under Peter > Baumann (but there are some mistakes in the book I'm told), but this is not > the first time I hear that it's not by him. I have this LP and it does > sounds like music that Peter would create, so I'm confused. That was the thing ! Wolfgang wanted to do this ! I asked him ! > >> Stick with ROMANCE '76 & TRANSHARMONIC NIGHTS (and the Baumann/Koek > release, if you can find it, heh-heh-heh....) > > > >BE CAREFUL ! > > > >The Baumann/Koek LP is _NOT_ Peter Baumann. That is a mistake ! > >The Baumann/Koek-LP was released approx. 12 years ago by WOLFGANG > >Baumann and Eta Koeck from Kempten/Germany. It is a nice electronic > >album but has nothing to do with PETER Baumann. > > I don't question Rainer's credibility here, but I would just like to hear > from more of you 'old TD pros' about this. Maybe this has been cleared up > already on this list, but I would like to see some more posts on this. Vic ! I am a old TD pros ! I'm collecting TD since '75 (!). You can believe me Vic ! 'cause I knew Wolfgang Baumann personaly ! He had a record-store in Kempten/Germany for a long time ago. He was a cartoon-painter for the german pop-magazin 'POP', too. I was always buying my electronic lps in his store. If I remember well, the name of the store was 'FRONCOISE RECORDS' One time he played some parts of his record in his store while I was looking for some new stuff. I asked him. He told me, he did it himself ! I have a signed copy of this. If somebody wants a copy on DAD or CD-R - write me. The sound is a little like Kraftwerk, TD and White Noise (Vorhaus) mixed by Stockhausen (!). Here's the text on the cover: Baumann/Koeck ------------- A-Seite 1.) Yarabbim (11:50) 2.) TD-MEM (8:15) (but he is/was _NOT_) B-Seite 1.) Gamabol (11:39) 2.) Where (5:20) 3.) Sequencer-Roll (2:18) (the best track!) Composed, arranged, produced and recorded by baumann/koeck november 1978 mixed by conny plank studio, koeln many thanks to juergen kraemer cover illustration by baumann/koek distributed by baumann-records-ludwigstr. 28 D-8960 kempten-west germany On the front Wolfgang signed: Die besten Wuensche fuer Rainer von Wolfgang und Eta. (The record was a private release without a lable and number.) See ya ! Rainer -- rainer@i... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 4:59 pm Subject: Re: webcast again? Really-From: TangerineC@a... How do you work the Realaudio 3.0? Especially before the concert comes on. I dont want to miss it. Thanks. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TD books? Really-From: 'Roger Smith' Fellow Dreamers, This question probably has come up several times before: Does anyone have any ideas how I can obtain copies of these books on Tangerine Dream: The Dream Lives On! The Unofficial Guide to the Music of Tangerine Dream. by Alan Vincent Michaels Voices in the Dunes. The Tangerine Dream Worldwide Discography. by Rolf Sonnemann, Peter Stoeferle, and Matt Hargreaves Any leads would be greatly appreciated. Please write to me off-list with any hot ones. Thanks. Roger rsmith@m... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 5:45 pm Subject: Re: Baumann/Koek (again) Really-From: Vic Rek OK Dreamers! First of all a great thank you to Rainer Rutka! From your personal information presented, one can only conclude that this is true, so it obviously will NOT be discussed during the TD solo projects. It almost looked like he tried to disguise it as a TD solo project. Why wouldn't he mention his first name? Anyway, I still tihink it is a nice LP and if anybody finds one cheap - pick it up! Vic At 06:11 PM 4/15/97 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: Rainer Rutka >> >> BAUMANN/KOEK??? -snip- > >'cause I knew Wolfgang Baumann personaly ! >He had a record-store in Kempten/Germany for a long time ago. He was >a cartoon-painter for the german pop-magazin 'POP', too. I >was always buying my electronic lps in his store. If I remember well, >the name of the store was 'FRONCOISE RECORDS' > >One time he played some parts of his record in his store while I was >looking for some new stuff. I asked him. > >He told me, he did it himself ! I have a signed copy of this. If somebody >wants a copy on DAD or CD-R - write me. The sound is a little like >Kraftwerk, TD and White Noise (Vorhaus) mixed by Stockhausen (!). > >Here's the text on the cover: > >Baumann/Koeck >------------- > >A-Seite > >1.) Yarabbim (11:50) >2.) TD-MEM (8:15) (but he is/was _NOT_) > >B-Seite > >1.) Gamabol (11:39) >2.) Where (5:20) >3.) Sequencer-Roll (2:18) (the best track!) > >Composed, arranged, produced and recorded by baumann/koeck november 1978 > >mixed by conny plank studio, koeln >many thanks to juergen kraemer > >cover illustration by baumann/koek > >distributed by baumann-records-ludwigstr. 28 >D-8960 kempten-west germany > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 6:18 pm Subject: Re: soundtrack Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I thot about this one----but I couldn't come up with the 'mood'. One of my >fave movies, though. MF>> >If you had to pick a movie that you could have selected TD to do the >> >soundtrack to, what movie would it be? > >Nosferatu. The original, of course I think the stuff from 'Sorceror' would fit perfectly. So would bits of 'Pergamon.' I had planned on cutting together a soundtrack and dubbing it on, since my copy is totally silent, but I never got around to actually cutting the tape. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 4:15 pm Subject: Re: Stratosfear Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > For anyone else out there... what particular music, TD or otherwise, > reaches out and grabs you as strongly as Stratosfear did Alexander and > I. I'd like to hear about it. (I'd also like to buy some of it, but > that's another story, severely limited by budget constraints - the > family likes to eat and all that.) > Well - for me it was Stratosfear, too. And FROCE MAJEURE ! I got a copy on clear vinyl and played this one again and again. Before it was on CD I bought 4 copies, because I played it too often ;-(). Rainer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2824 Re: Stratosfear Mark Jones Sat 4/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 8:16 pm Subject: Re: webcast again? Really-From: Greg Heil > How do you work the Realaudio 3.0? Especially before the concert comes on. I > dont want to miss it. Thanks. Hopefully, you have installed the player and your web browser recognizes it's existance =o) The Realaudio 3.0 player automatically starts itseld up when you click on a 'listen now' link. In the View menu, there is Preferences. Go there and you can select the type of modem you have, and a number of other things. Just selecting your modem and leaving everything as it is should work fine :) Pressing the Stop button during a performance will make you lose your connection. Thankfully though, hitting Play will let you access the live feed again. Preferences can only be changed when there isn't a live feed playing, so if you can, open up your Realaudio player before a large netcast on configure the prefs. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 8:21 pm Subject: Minnette music CD collection Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves Hi gang, I checked with Minette Music about this CD. The title is 'Singles & Other Songs'. It is a CD-R and only 15 copies. There will not be any more after this. they got ten as but do not generally handle this type of material. CHEERS...Matt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 8:20 pm Subject: Peter Baumann & New Age Catagory Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves Hello Gang, A bit if history in the offering here. 1. Peter Baumann had four solo albums. Three went to CD by Virgin. 'Repeat Repeat' was his third album but the first of two that covered his Disco period style. The fourth album was 'Strangers In The Night' and it has not gone to CD. I doubt it ever will. With these two albums were some 12' singles that had in some cases remixes of the album versions. If memory serves right there also was a single put out by Baumman with the Schnitzler brothers called 'The Russians Are Coming'. The band name was Berlin Express. There almost was a fifth album released. It was called 'The Blue Room' and also had Paul Haslinger plus another fellow I cannot remember. Apparently they were not happy with the final mix down and decided to not release the album on Private Music. I doubt this will ever see the light of day either. 2. New Age Music. This catagory was created by the music industry in the late 1980's as a catch-all bin for ecclectic music that did not fit the normal genres (ie - Rock, Country, Classical, etc.). Prior to this there had been a section for Electronic Music. Tangerine Dream did not get placed there due to the style of music they were playing at the time. Electronic music was lumped into New Age along with other material. The problem that existed was the New Age movement was gathering steam and becoming widely written about in the press. People assumed New Age Music and the New Age movement were the same. That confusion is what killed sales of good electronic music in the U.S. to the general public. A lot of people avoided the section due to the confusion. Of course real New Age composers that were part of the movement did release their music and had a perfect niche already built into the stores. In time though just a few artists came to dominate the genre. Labels noticed the slack sales outside of these artists, and the overall industry lost interest and stopped supporting the genre. The major well-known electronic music composers who were established in the 1970's market are still there and continue to sell. A lot of new composers, especially in Europe, believe the U.S. is a big untapped market for sales and profits. Forget it. They will be lucky to get any sales through the specialty mail order outlets. The chances of getting their material into the stores is vertually zero. Consider Mark Shreeve's album on Sonic Images that was released in the U.S. I never did see these available in the stores here. I did find a few promotional copies dumped in the used stores though. Does this tell you how bad the market is here now. CHEERS...Matt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 8:20 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #890 Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves At 07:04 AM 4/15/97 +0000, you wrote: > >tadream-digest Tuesday, 15 April 1997 Volume 15 : Number 890 > >Re: Concert impressions >Re: webcast again? >TD and GRASS >d: addendum, week of April 14 >Re: the brick, UK >Re: What's Goblin Club like? >Re: Sol et Luna >Baumanns' REPEAT REPEAT >Another Sampler - Race Traxx >Repeat. Repeat >TD Orb Single >I've been unsubscribed? >Re: webcast again? >Re: Soundtrack >Re: What's Goblin Club like? >Roots CD five >RE: Baumann releases >Re: Soundtrack >RE: Soundtrack >thoughts on Stratosfear...... >Re: Rumpelstiltskin >Re: TD Compilation Available >soundtrack >Re:Webcast >Re: An Introduction to Tangerine Dream -- Sorry, I goofed. >Re: soundtrack >Re: thoughts on Stratosfear...... >Re: thoughts on Stratosfear...... >Re: TD Compilation Available >Tangram Thoughts >RE: Soundtrack >Setlist for Bonn? Tape? >Re: Soundtrack >Re: Baumann releases >Re: TD Compilation Available >Peter Baumann cd's >Re: soundtrack >Re: An Introduction to Tangerine Dream >Re: What's Goblin Club like? > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:58:09 +0200 (MET DST) >Subject: Re: Concert impressions > >Really-From: Rainer Rutka > >On Sun, 13 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > >> > >> >Fan Service : wonderful. 'Dream Collector' organized 'guest after show' >> > passes and will continue to do so all over Germany. > >Where can I get the dream-collector ! PLEASE ! > >Mit den besten Gruessen vom Bodensee ! > > Rainer Rutka > >- --------------------------------------------------------------------- >K+R Informationssysteme Konstanz E-Mail : rainer@i... >Klimas und Rutka GbR CIS : 100065,2273 >Griesseggstrasse 27 D Internet: www.k-r.de (i.A.) > Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 >D-78462 Konstanz Fax : +49 (0)7531 29879 >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > 'Zentrum fuer objektorientierte Softwareentwicklung und -design' > Spezialisten fuer : SMALLTALK, UNIX und Windows/NT >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:03:06 -0600 >Subject: Re: webcast again? > >Really-From: 'Stefan Stapelberg' > >Hi Morgan, > >>Am I the only one who simply cannot get RealAudio to work? I've got a 56kbps >>modem. Isn't that fast enough? > >this is more than enough. You need only 28.8 kbps. The stream >we send (see the sample sound clip on the webcast page) is an >28.8 Mono signal, which requires approx. 22 kbps netto speed. > >Which version of RA player do you use? You need at least 3.0. >2.0 will _not_ work since we use the latest RealAudio 28.8 >Codec, which gives a _much_ better frequency range and >sampling rate than what is available with the older 28.8 Codec >used in RA 2.0. We have experimented with 28.8 2.0 and even >14.4 format, but the sound would be just too bad (14.4 being >suitable only for speech). > >Hope this helps, >best regards, Stefan > >- -- >Stefan Stapelberg Fon: +49-9352-89948 RENT-A-GURU (TM) > Fax: +49-9352-89949 P.O. Box 1358 > http://www.netstore.de/ D-97803 Lohr/Main >============================================================================= >+ Join the Tangerine Dream LiveCast on the Internet at Apr, 18th! + >+ Visit http://www.netstore.de/tadream/livemusic/ + >+ Sponsored by RENT-A-GURU, NTG Xlink GmbH, Progressive Networks, EMG + >============================================================================= > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 05:15:31 -0400 >Subject: TD and GRASS > >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >Dreamers >First of all. If anyone wants the TD 'Towards the Evening Star' + remix by >the Orb (CD single or cool 12' colored vinyl), please let me know ASAP! >I've already swapped my first two batches of singles and, as of today, >there are now literally about 10 copies left around central London. I've >asked at the stores and they say 'when these are gone, that's it; NO MORE.' > What's worse, everytime I go back into the stores to get some for someone >else, the price has gone UP--it's now double!!! Now they want up to $10 >each for the remaining few singles! I've got a few but they're moving fast >(honest this is not a sales pitch :-)... If you want one/some I'd prefer to >trade (ANY reasonable offer considered) but I will sell them for $8 for 1 >or $7 each for 4 or more plus $5 shipping and handing regardless of >quantity (CD and vinyl are same price). I'll do this as long as my current >supply holds out; after that, it will have to be $12 each. Please e-mail >me off list soon. (If you're short of cash, I'll be happy to hold one for >you for a month or so). You may think I have a 'ton' of these but I don't >and much of what I do have is spoken for (I have less than 10 available). >If you are a completist, have completist tendencies, think you might fall >victim to the completist virus, act now! > >I just figured out too that the UK issue of GC has a different booklet >(same content but diff layout and maybe 1-2 diff photos?) and a diff >picture on the disc..... doh > >Second, did you know street slang around the markets here for asparagus is >'grass'? Usually 'finest English grass' or 'homegrown grass.' Looks mighty >tasty too. |-) I might just sautee some up here soon. (And you probably >thought this message was about Amsterdam! sorry!) > >lars >(honest Abe, I'm not a used-car salesman!) > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 05:16:22 -0400 >Subject: d: addendum, week of April 14 > >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >D: List, Addendum; Week of April 14 > >Dream Roots Collection > >Enjoy! > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:43:48 +0100 >Subject: Re: the brick, UK > >Really-From: Mark Edmonds > >>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >> >>version, that it doesn't... If anyone in UK has to have this puppy, let me >>know and I'll get you a copy in the states and save you some serious >>poundage (like half); the same goes for Tangents (Mark E. didn't 'want' one >>of these??). > >Assuming that is me, I never said I didn`t want one, I merely said that >at 50 - 60 pounds which is the price I have seen this set going for, I >thought it was a ridiculous price. > >- -- >Mark Edmonds > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:14:39 +0100 >Subject: Re: What's Goblin Club like? > >Really-From: Mark Edmonds > >Well buddy, as I started the thread which caused you to reply in such a >petulant manner, I am entitled to express my response. > >Your comments below and your inability to cope with people stating their >own views (and incidentaly, I never stated anything in a manner which is >worthy of being called 'worthless, opinion-presented-as-gospel') smacks >totally of an insular incestuous moronity, a blinkered pie-eyed view of >the world, normally possesed by those people who live life with their >tongue drilled up their own arse. > >I suggest you read my original post again: > >1. All it contains are my views, never presented in any 'this is the >truth' manner. >2. The reason I posted in the first place was because I was _asking_ for >information, not stating it. >3. How the fuck did it cause you to feel that it was disrespectful to >the likes of yourself?! > >- -- >Mark Edmonds > >>Really-From: Mark Filipak >> >> >>Has TD's music declined in quality? I don't think so. >> >>I don't like GC much, but there's a big difference between saying 'I >>don't like GC' (which I usually keep to myself) and saying 'I have felt >>a distinct decline in quality of TD's music' and, even more, wasting >>bandwidth posting an agreement with such sentiments. > >What purpose does this list serve if it doesn`t cater for people >discussing the good or bad aspects of TD's music? Oh, sorry, I didn`t >realise it is to allow some people to post holier-than-thou statements. > >>Point of fact: The tracks are as long or longer than most of those from >>albums after 85. > >So fucking what? Who gives a creeping jesus shit if the tracks are >longer? I believe we are in this for the music and not the minutes/track >quota. > >>Point of fact: The albums have more tracks and are longer overall than >>when they were during the years I prefer (71-84) -- of course this is >>due to the differences between LPs and CDs, but nonetheless is a fact. > >And it is also totally irrelevant. As stated, quality - not quantity. > >>Point of fact: Number of Grammy nominations before 1991: zero. Number >>of Grammy nominations after 1990: seven (for what that's worth -- >>nothing in my opinion, but some people consider this significant). > >Hilary Clinton receiving a Grammy was pretty significant to me - it >showed what a worthless bunch of horse shit the grammies are. > >>Point of fact: Some people -prefer- TD-lite. > >What is TD-lite? I haven`t heard that expression before. > >>Opinion: TD music has never been so complex as it is now, with (too >>many?) changes and subthemes -- example: 'Darwin's Motel' -- all >>subject to opinion of course (I haven't counted the notes). > >Complexity is no measure of the musical quality and if anything, it >suggests to me that they are masking a lack of simple and clear musical >ideas with heavily and unnecessarily complex layers. > >>Opinion: Edgar & co. are working as hard as ever and are being >>appreciated less by some people -- beauty is in the ear of the beholder. > >An absolute truth - maybe that is why some people don't buy the new >albums. > >>Opinion: GC isn't going to perform through-the-ear brain surgery on me >>like most of the pre-85 works do, but it's still much more interesting >>than 99% of all the music that is currently being released -- of the >>24,000 CDs released last year, how many did you buy? > >I just don`t understand this! I mean what is the point of this >statement? Maybe you will care to expand on this please? > >>Opinion: Below are some recent, worthless, opinion-presented-as-gospel >>posts -- I wish _they_ were half as good as GC is! >> >>__|_______ >> | >>Mark Edmonds wrote: >> >>I don`t know if I am alone in this but I have felt a distinct decline in >>quality of TD's music over the last few years... >>__|_______ >> | >>Chris Towers wrote: >> >>I agree with you on your statements about TDs music. By far the greatest >>line up was the Froese, Franke, Schmoelling... >>__|_______ >> | > >See above. > >> >>Go ahead and flame me if you like. I just wish some people would grow >>up and accept that there are differences of opinion and would stop >>spouting off like they're gods or the ultimate judges of TD. Go ahead >>and write that you don't like such-and-such and by all means, _why_ you >>don't like such-and-such, but have some respect for the rest of us and >>for the band. >> >>Regards -- Mark (now donning his asbestos suit) > >Incidentally Mark, the exit tour dates will be e-mailed off today. > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:51:10 +1000 >Subject: Re: Sol et Luna > >Really-From: pjv@a... (Phil Vendy) > >>'So, you in fact don't really have any cheese, do you?' >> >>'Oh, yes sir! This is a cheese shop.' >> >>Which is to say, you don't really have any ******* 'Sol et Luna' do you? >> >>Could have fooled me. -- Mark > >Steady on, Mark, that's the kind of thing Mark Filipak would object to, and >he'd be right. > >With the genuine article held up in front of my pc - right here, see? - >follow my finger, see what it says - note the spelling mistake, just where >I'm pointing now - I will try hard to think of some connection between >cheese and my attempt to pass on a bit of useful info for the benefit of the >people on the list who may REALLY not have any ******* 'Sol et Luna', and >who in the previous few days had only been given part of the track listing. > >For ricecake, why do I bother? Where's the gateway back to earth? Where's my >mum? > >Cheer-o > >Phil V > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:15:28 -0400 >Subject: Baumanns' REPEAT REPEAT > >Really-From: Craig Shipley > >As to the gentleman that asked about this LP/CD, unless you are a fan of = >cheesy disco crap, avoid this release like the plague! I bought the LP = >way back when and it was a huge disappointment. 'P.B. & The Sunshine = >Band???' Well, almost.... STRANGERS IN THE NIGHT was almost as bad. With = >these two releases, you would have never imagined that that PB was in as = >good of a band as TD (was). > >Stick with ROMANCE '76 & TRANSHARMONIC NIGHTS (and the Baumann/Koek = >release, if you can find it, heh-heh-heh....) > >Anyone check out the CUE Records Homepage lately? Tons o' new and old = >synth artists there (hello Paul, saw EARTHSHAPER there!) and most were = >just added on April 11th. Hello, whats' this!?! All three of the Space = >Art releases are on CD now?!?! Hello, CUE!!! > >That's all for now... > >Craig Shipley >craigs@p... > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:27:45 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Another Sampler - Race Traxx > >Really-From: Vic Rek > >Just picked up this sampler and I'd like to share the details with you: > >Race Traxx 'Das Offizielle Album Zum Formel 1 - Grand Prix' > Germany Ultrapop/Edel 0096852ULT, 1995 > >T. Dream - track 14 'Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe' 3:49 > >Other artists: Mach 1, Yello, Harold Faltermeyer, Fun Factory, The Art of Noise, >Steve Mason, Herbie Hancock, Vision Gliders, Jan Hammer, Round One, Shifter, >Rofo, and Online > >Vic > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 08:54:24 -0500 (CDT) >Subject: Repeat. Repeat > >Really-From: Michael A Jean > >RE: Baumann albums > >Came out in 81-or 82, it is all VOCAL tracks, with a bizarre techno >sound... > >He also has another album with vocals call STRANGERS IN THE NIGHT (I >think) I haven't played it in over 10 years... (1983) The artist is >justlisted as BAUMANN, but it's him... > >There were also 12' singles for both albums which I have somewhere... > >Mike J > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:15:47 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: TD Orb Single > >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >Well, I got my 'Towards the Evening Star' remix CD, at the HMV in Toronto. >The only copy they had...and it was filed under 'Orb' in the dance >section, so bear that in mind if you're hunting for it. It was $12.99 >(about $8 U.S.). > >Musically, as noted previously, the remix has nothing to do with the >original (not unusual for an Orb re-do). Perhaps Mr. Patterson was more >stoned than usual for this one, because it doesn't offer very much. It >has a nice chunky rhythm, but that's about it. The original may be bit >sweet sounding, but it least it displays awareness of composition and >melody! > > > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR > http://www.topix.com/~sean > >'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't > make you depressed and cynical' > > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: 14 Apr 1997 15:51:45 GMT >Subject: I've been unsubscribed? > >Really-From: anunes@m... > >I have received only 2 tadream messages from the 04/12 and no messages from >the 04/13 and 04/14. > >I've tried the 'who' message to majordomo, but no answer too. Is the server >down or am I majordomo's Victim of the Week? :-( > >Please reply to my mailbox. > >Antonio Nunes >anunes@m... > > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:05:09 -0500 >Subject: Re: webcast again? > >Really-From: feldon@n... > >At 07:47 PM 4/13/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Really-From: 'Greg' >> >> >>From: tadream mailing list >>> To: tadream@c... >>> Subject: Re: webcast again? >>> Date: Sunday, April 13, 1997 7:26 PM >>> >>> Really-From: feldon@n... >>> >>> >>> Am I the only one who simply cannot get RealAudio to work? I've got a >>56kbps >>> modem. Isn't that fast enough? >>> >> Do you have RealAudio ver. 3.0? and if you installed it recently, did you >>shut down your web browser and opened it again? Check to see if the >>RealAudio mime is configured correctly. > >I only had RealAudio 2.1 installed. Anyway, I've installed 3.0 and now it >works. Geez, it really does a number on the 'Logos' sample on their front >page... > >Morgan >feldon@n... > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:06:55 -0500 >Subject: Re: Soundtrack > >Really-From: feldon@n... > >At 01:10 AM 4/14/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Really-From: AslanFan1@a... >> >> >>If you had to pick a movie that you could have selected TD to do the >>soundtrack to, what movie would it be? > >Das Boot. > > >Morgan >feldon@n... > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:31:22 GB-EIRE >Subject: Re: What's Goblin Club like? > >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > >I hope Mark Edmonds doesn't mind me jumping on this >bandwagon, but I have a couple of comments to make on this. >I know Mark E's already had his second say, but I thought >I'd have a go minus all the swear words 8-). > >(And for those Filipak-minded out there, the above is not a >rebuke on Mark E (as if I had the right), but merely a >statement of fact : Mark E's contained swear words and this >one doesn't). > >> Really-From: Mark Filipak >> >> Has TD's music declined in quality? I don't think so. >> >> I don't like GC much, but there's a big difference between saying 'I >> don't like GC' (which I usually keep to myself) and saying 'I have felt >> a distinct decline in quality of TD's music' and, even more, wasting >> bandwidth posting an agreement with such sentiments. >> >I'm afraid you've shot yourself in the foot immediately >here, Mark (F). Just take the words '... quality? I don't >think so.', and there you have the whole of this argument >in a nut-shell. > >'Quality' is, by its very nature, subjective. I should know >since I am in the process of implementing improvements to >my company business in order to make the identification of >Quality more objective : metrics, verification, reporting, >etc. A long way off, yet, IMHO. > >And then you follow that up by saying 'I don't think so.'. >So if you don't think that is the case, what gives you the >right to give Mark E a hard time if he thinks it _is_ the >case? (although I take his subsequent point that he was >looking for information on this topic, not stating a fact). > >> Point of fact: The tracks are as long or longer than most of those from >> albums after 85. >> >> Point of fact: The albums have more tracks and are longer overall than >> when they were during the years I prefer (71-84) -- of course this is >> due to the differences between LPs and CDs, but nonetheless is a fact. > >Ever heard the phrase - 'Forget the quality, feel the >breadth'? A lot of people (not necessarily me, you, any >other person on this list/planet/universe) believe that >quality is reduced as a result of higher quantity. >Unfortunately, your two points above are a vote for >quantity, not necessarily quality. > >> Point of fact: Number of Grammy nominations before 1991: zero. Number >> of Grammy nominations after 1990: seven (for what that's worth -- >> nothing in my opinion, but some people consider this significant). > >Here we do have a potential indication of quality, but as >you yourself point out it means more to some than others. >Some have suggested (and we may never really know) that >TD's recent introduction to the joys of the Grammies are >purely the result of moving to America and adopting a more >'commercial' attitude. (Yeah, I'm waiting for some comment >back on this one, but it's the best I can do in the short >time I have.) > >> Point of fact: Some people -prefer- TD-lite. > >Undeniably. However, there seem few on this list who feel >that the previous twenty years work was 'poor', although a >number of list members do seem to believe that TD are going >through a 'bad patch' at the moment. Of course, there are >various reasons for why this could be (the list talk, not >the alleged 'bad patch') : >1. more people on this list have been around for longer in >TD terms and so have their roots in olden times, whereas as >few have their roots in the present. >2. the list only attracts 'oldies' because the 'newies' get >such a hard time. > >(That's only two of possibly thousands of reasons). > >> Opinion: TD music has never been so complex as it is now, with (too >> many?) changes and subthemes -- example: 'Darwin's Motel' -- all >> subject to opinion of course (I haven't counted the notes). >> >> Opinion: Edgar & co. are working as hard as ever and are being >> appreciated less by some people -- beauty is in the ear of the beholder. >> >> Opinion: GC isn't going to perform through-the-ear brain surgery on me >> like most of the pre-85 works do, but it's still much more interesting >> than 99% of all the music that is currently being released -- of the >> 24,000 CDs released last year, how many did you buy? > >The above are all as you state - opinions - and as such you >are entitled to them. I even agree with most of them. > >> Opinion: Below are some recent, worthless, opinion-presented-as-gospel >> posts -- I wish _they_ were half as good as GC is! > >I'm afraid that despite this being your opinion, and you >being entitled to it, I find this offensive (and it's not >even directed at me). To denounce any comment made on this >list as 'worthless' is, at best, impolite and, at worst ... >well I don't know what (remember I said I wasn't going to >swear before). Someone with a better grasp on vocabulary >could maybe help me out here. > >And quite where you got the 'opinion-presented-as-gospel' >viewpoint, I don't know. > >> __|_______ >> | >> Mark Edmonds wrote: >> >> I don`t know if I am alone in this but I have felt a distinct decline in >> quality of TD's music over the last few years... > >The above sentence contains the words 'felt' and 'quality', >both of which indicate feeling or opinion, in my mind at >least. That alone, even without the rest of the post (and >we all know the consequences of reading things out of >context ...) should have given you a clue. > >> __|_______ >> | >> Chris Towers wrote: >> >> I agree with you on your statements about TDs music. By far the greatest >> line up was the Froese, Franke, Schmoelling... >> __|_______ >> | >Of course, this one is far more difficult! Why, Chris >should have followed up the whole thing with an 'IMHO' in >order to keep things clear! Right, Mark (F)? > >> >> Go ahead and flame me if you like. I just wish some people would grow >> up and accept that there are differences of opinion and would stop >> spouting off like they're gods or the ultimate judges of TD. Go ahead >> and write that you don't like such-and-such and by all means, _why_ you >> don't like such-and-such, but have some respect for the rest of us and >> for the band. >Unfortunately, the only person on this list who fits this >description (IN MY OPINION) is you, Mark. I wish you would >realise that just because someone doesn't put a 'IMO' every >second word doesn't mean he/she is trying to tell you >something. He/she may still be expressing an opinion and >not 'spouting off like they're gods'. > >And, although a topic touched on before, if we are not the >ultimate judges of TD, then who are? The band may well be >the only people with the definitive answer to a particular >question or the reason behind a particular action, but given their >secrecy, are we not entitled to speculate? Outside the >band's very tight clique of members, family, friends and >business associates, are certain people on this list (some >of whom almost fit into that category) not the next best >thing? We have some real experts here, so they are >presumably the next best thing. > >And, as far as 'respect for the rest of us' is concerned, >perhaps you should have more respect for the opinions and >'rights' of the rest of the list before preaching for the >list to do likewise. > >> Regards -- Mark (now donning his asbestos suit) > >Hope this won't prevent our occassional personal dealings, >Mark (F). > > >- --------------------------------------------- >Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer >GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems >Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) > >E-mail : cordrey@m... >- --------------------------------------------- > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:59:29 +0200 >Subject: Roots CD five > >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > >I've recently bought CD 5 of the Dream Roots Collection, >which contain the unreleased material. But I don't like it >at all! It's too Canyon Dreams to me. >If somebody wants it, maybe we can do a swap (rare/boots?). >Private mails, please. > >Marcel >fsp@p... > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:14:04 -0400 >Subject: RE: Baumann releases > >Really-From: Jim Moore > >Really-From: Rich Maggio > >>Well, I may have answered part of my >>question here. The text below is from >>the German Music Express web site: > >Could you give a URL for the site? > >>What is Repeat Repeat? An older 'greatest hits' >>release? > >No, it's Bauman attempting lyrics... > >'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown > jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia >- --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:08:30 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: Soundtrack > >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >> >If you had to pick a movie that you could have selected TD to do the >> >soundtrack to, what movie would it be? > >An obvious one would be Blade Runner, although Vangelis' score is >fantastic as is, of course. How about 'The Terminator'? (actually, most >James Cameron movies would be good candidates....Aliens, The Abyss). > > > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR > http://www.topix.com/~sean > >'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't > make you depressed and cynical' > > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 20:01:21 +0200 >Subject: RE: Soundtrack > >Really-From: 'J.ESTEVE' > >- ---------- >> De: tadream mailing list >> A: tadream@c... >> Asunto: Re: Soundtrack >> Fecha: lunes 14 de abril de 1997 17:06 >> >> Really-From: feldon@n... >> >> >> At 01:10 AM 4/14/97 -0400, you wrote: >> >Really-From: AslanFan1@a... >> > >> > >> >If you had to pick a movie that you could have selected TD to do the >> >soundtrack to, what movie would it be? >> >> Das Boot. >> >> >> Morgan >> feldon@n... > >I choose The Bear >patricia@a... > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 20:49:15 +0200 >Subject: thoughts on Stratosfear...... > >Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > >When hearing Stratosfear for the first time ever on saturday, a lot of >thougts swirl in my mind.. >It is really EXELENT!! best music I have heard in ages. > > The track that really strikes me is track 3: 3 am At The Border Of The >Marsh From Okefenokee.. >I think it has a very interesting build-up; it starts almost like an >count down, then ŤThe Big, Bad and Ugly Soundť fades in...it actully >scares me...you can feel something TERRIBLE and CRUEL is happening, and >when the sound reach hysteria, it fades out. But even then the music >remains dramatic for a while, before the elements harmonise and a >beatifull flute starts playing...it feels like a big relief when the >song settles down after such a dramatic ragnarok... > >Perhaps you dont understand what Im talking about, but that is my >thougths and feelings when hearing that track. Its very emotional, and >very difficult to describe.Perhaps Im all mistaken?? > >BTW, Im feeling a bit stupid Ťdiscoveringť Tangerine Dream 20 years >after everyone else. But, since their >music is 30 years ahead of most music, Im still 10 years ahead of >non-dreamers ;) > >Pleasent Dreams >Alexander > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 14:50:43 +0200 (MET DST) >Subject: Re: Rumpelstiltskin > >Really-From: Rainer Rutka > >On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > >> Really-From: AslanFan1@a... >> >> >> I had a number of list members contact me regarding new CD copies of >> Tangerine Dream's out of print release Rumpelstiltskin. Is anyone else >> looking for it? I have a shot at getting more from a different source but >> need to know the interest level. I don't think this one's going to ever go >> back in print, so please email me off list if you're interested. Thanks! > >OH YES ! >I'm looking for it - still missing ;-() > > >Mit den besten Gruessen vom Bodensee ! > > Rainer Rutka > >- --------------------------------------------------------------------- >K+R Informationssysteme Konstanz E-Mail : rainer@i... >Klimas und Rutka GbR CIS : 100065,2273 >Griesseggstrasse 27 D Internet: www.k-r.de (i.A.) > Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 >D-78462 Konstanz Fax : +49 (0)7531 29879 >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > 'Zentrum fuer objektorientierte Softwareentwicklung und -design' > Spezialisten fuer : SMALLTALK, UNIX und Windows/NT >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:21:46 +0200 (MET DST) >Subject: Re: TD Compilation Available > >Really-From: Rainer Rutka > >On Sun, 13 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > >> Really-From: Robert Grabowsky >> Minette Music has a Tangerine Dream Compilation available.The cost is $35. >> You can contact Dave at (505) 882-4830. >> >> Here is the track listing: >> >> Quasar >> One Night in Medina >> I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You >> Das Madchen auf der Treppe >> Katja >> Eleanor Rigby >> Theif Yang and the Tangram Seal >> Alexander Square (long version) >> House of the Rising Sun >> Canyon Carver >> Canyon Voices >> Lost Tale >> Vermillion Sands >> Time Steps >> Galago >> >> Total Length 68:27 >> >> I have a copy and the quality is GREAT. >> >> I have done this because Dave is not online yet and he wanted TD fans to >> know about this. >> Thanks for taking a look, >> Robert >HI Robert ! >Wanna get a copy of the obove CD ! Possible for me to get one copy here ? > >;-=) > >Mit den besten Gruessen vom Bodensee ! > > Rainer Rutka > >- --------------------------------------------------------------------- >K+R Informationssysteme Konstanz E-Mail : rainer@i... >Klimas und Rutka GbR CIS : 100065,2273 >Griesseggstrasse 27 D Internet: www.k-r.de (i.A.) > Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 >D-78462 Konstanz Fax : +49 (0)7531 29879 >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > 'Zentrum fuer objektorientierte Softwareentwicklung und -design' > Spezialisten fuer : SMALLTALK, UNIX und Windows/NT >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 14:15:54 -0500 >Subject: soundtrack > >Really-From: Michael Fox > >>If you had to pick a movie that you could have selected TD to do the >>soundtrack to, what movie would it be? > >I've already done it! I mixed a bunch of TD (mostly Virgin yrs stuff) to the >German silent classic 'Metropolis'. German film/German band. It came out >great and I've recieved many compliments on it. >Mike > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 14:24:52 -0500 >Subject: Re:Webcast > >Really-From: Michael Fox > >Just a quick note about modem speeds. Check with your Internet Provider to >make sure you can use all your speed. Some providers top out at 28.8, so if >you have a faster modem 28.8 is all you can move. Also (it was posted >earlier) those of us in the states are probably SOL on the webcast as we >have to go through the trans atlantic pipe which I'm sure is clogged and >S-L-O-W. Best of luck! >Mike > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:32:37 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: An Introduction to Tangerine Dream -- Sorry, I goofed. > >Really-From: SYensen@a... > ><< Someone replied on-list >> > >I think that was me. I'm new to this lark, but certainly not new to TD's >music, having started with 'Alpha Centauri' and 10 or so from then. > Cassettes and vinyls, of course; I have yet to buy my first CD!!!! > >It seems that a lot has been happening since 'Rockoon' (my last TD album), >although I have been keeping an eye on Chris Franke's music. > >I had assumed, quite wrongly it seems, that Tangerine Dream had split up! > >Steve. > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:45:49 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: soundtrack > >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >> I've already done it! I mixed a bunch of TD (mostly Virgin yrs stuff) to the >> German silent classic 'Metropolis'. > >What a great idea! That must be interesting, indeed. Certainly an >improvement over Queen! > > > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR > http://www.topix.com/~sean > >'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't > make you depressed and cynical' > > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:11:43 +0200 >Subject: Re: thoughts on Stratosfear...... > >Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > >tadream mailing list wrote: >> >> Really-From: Alexander Bjelke >> >> When hearing Stratosfear for the first time ever on saturday, a lot of >> thougts swirl in my mind.. >> It is really EXELENT!! best music I have heard in ages. > >[...] > >> BTW, Im feeling a bit stupid Ťdiscoveringť Tangerine Dream 20 years >> after everyone else. But, since their >> music is 30 years ahead of most music, Im still 10 years ahead of >> non-dreamers ;) > >Thank you for sharing your thougth with us. You are lucky, you have a >long way up to experience TD music, and every time you'll find that kind >of shiver it happen to you when hearing someting that touches your soul. > >Look for Ricochet. Then Phaedra and Rubycon, next Force Majeure, don't >miss Cyclone ( although many don't like it), continue with tangram >and .... > > >Dream On > >- --- >Francisco > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:35:15 -0400 >Subject: Re: thoughts on Stratosfear...... > >Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > >- --PART-BOUNDARY=.19704141735.ZM2509.eng.canadair.ca >Content-Description: Text >Content-Type: text/plain ; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >X-Zm-Decoding-Hint: mimencode -q -u > >On Apr 14, 8:49pm, tadream mailing list wrote: >> Subject: thoughts on Stratosfear...... >(...) >> >> BTW, I=92m feeling a bit stupid =ABdiscovering=BB Tangerine Dream 20 ye= >ars >> after everyone else. But, since their >> music is 30 years ahead of most music, I=92m still 10 years ahead of >> non-dreamers ;) >> >> Pleasent Dreams >> Alexander > >Don't kick yourself, Alexander. How long ago has it been 'dicovered' tha= >t the >Earth was not the center of the Universe? Yet it *never* was the center = >of >the Universe, right? Discovery takes time. In fact, I find that I almos= >t envy >you, since you have all this new exploring to go through, while I have to= > >resort >to extreme measures (find hard to locate boots etc.) to get my dose of ne= >w TD >stuff... > >Perhaps you can also look at the other side of the fence, to those unfort= >unate >people who *never* will get acquinted to TD music, or who will but only i= >n the >future. Remember that this is not a race, and besides, no matter that yo= >u say >TD music was 30 years ahead of its time, I claim that it is timeless. > >Enjoy the music; share your discoveries with us, tell us what you see whe= >n you >close your eyes. > > > C.B. Vincent Goudreault > online since early 93, TD fan since 77 > first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet > >- --PART-BOUNDARY=.19704141735.ZM2509.eng.canadair.ca-- > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 97 17:49:10 EDT >Subject: Re: TD Compilation Available > >Really-From: Steven Feldman > >>TD Compilation Available >>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >>Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 04:09:38 +0000 >>Really-From: Robert Grabowsky >> >>Minette Music has a Tangerine Dream Compilation available. The cost is >>$35. You can contact Dave at (505) 882-4830. >> >> Here is the track listing: >> >> Quasar >> One Night in Medina >> I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You >> Das Madchen auf der Treppe >> Katja >> Eleanor Rigby >> Theif Yang and the Tangram Seal >> Alexander Square (long version) >> House of the Rising Sun >> Canyon Carver >> Canyon Voices >> Lost Tale >> Vermillion Sands >> Time Steps >> Galago >> >> Total Length 68:27 > > Huh?!? This strikes me as a b**t. Since when does Minnette >traffick in such?!? > I'm sorta pissed. The folks at Minnette called me yesterday to >comfirm an order and the Orb CD single was mentioned but this little >compilation puppy was *not*. > Is this a gag, perhaps? > > -- Steven Feldman and > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:27:51 -0700 >Subject: Tangram Thoughts > >Really-From: Greg Heil > >Hello All, > > I've been listening to Tangram non-stop ever since I got the album two >weeks ago. The sound is wonderful, and the anlog instruments almost give >a sense of sculped sound--something I cannot sense in the newer, more >complex electronic instruments. I especially like the sounds of the >flutes, horns, trumpets, chimes, etc.. the feeling they get with these >analog synths is way ahead of it's time. Part of the bed wrap these >older insturments have is that they only saw the light of day on older >albums, when recording technology isn't as good as it is today. Just >listen to Stratosfear 1995, Catwalk, and Catwalk--Dream Mixes ed. the >analog synths sound wonderful. Anyway, here's an impression of the >first part of Tangram. It's very literal, maybe to literal of an >impression. > > >1. The intro to Tangram part 1 has spawned an idea.. I think the intro >is truthful to the album's name, in that if you follow the squencer >(flute sound) as it plays, (time 2:58) it will eventually begin to try >and find the right melody to allow the song to advance--as if to form >the right 'sequence' on a tangram board to complete the puzzle or game.. >and when it does, the chimes ring as to show victory, and the sequencer >melody then repeats the 'correct' sequence until the next transition. > >Greg... > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 19:01:00 -0400 >Subject: RE: Soundtrack > >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand >this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > >- ------ =_NextPart_001_01BC4905.F8C5ADA0 >Content-Type: text/plain > > >> >If you had to pick a movie that you could have selected TD to do the >> >soundtrack to, what movie would it be? > > >Nosferatu. 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> > > >- ------ =_NextPart_001_01BC4906.ABABB680-- > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 20:58:39 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: Soundtrack > >Really-From: lllowen@n... (Lon Lowen) > >> If you had to pick a movie that you could have selected TD to do the >> soundtrack to, what movie would it be? > >Field of Dreams. Maybe Le Femme Nakita or Point of No Return. --lon >- -- > >Lon Lowen >lllowen@n... >- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 21:00:27 -0400 >Subject: Re: Baumann releases > >Really-From: Rich Maggio > >The URL for German Music Express is: >http://www.musicexpress.com/ > >I have placed an order with them in the past >an I have found them to be a good place to >do business with. I received my order within >3 weeks. My only dissapointment was that they >couldn't get Epsilon in Malaysian Pale for me, >but that really isn't their fault. > >They ship from the Netherlands. I received >my order via the post office here in the US. >It was shipped registered mail - meaning I had >to sign for it. BTW, they are affiliated with >CD Connection. > >Hope this helps. >Rich Magio > >> >> >Well, I may have answered part of my >> >question here. The text below is from >> >the German Music Express web site: >> >> Could you give a URL for the site? >> > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:28:25 +0000 >Subject: Re: TD Compilation Available > >Really-From: Robert Grabowsky > >This is not a gag!!!!!!! It is real.Call them again. > Robert > > > > >> Huh?!? This strikes me as a b**t. Since when does Minnette >>traffick in such?!? >> I'm sorta pissed. The folks at Minnette called me yesterday to >>comfirm an order and the Orb CD single was mentioned but this little >>compilation puppy was *not*. >> Is this a gag, perhaps? >> >> -- Steven Feldman and >> >> > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:10:05, -0500 >Subject: Peter Baumann cd's > >Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) > >In response to TD digest #889, is somebody looking for Peter Baumann >on CD ? I happen to have one I'd be willing to part with for the >right trade. I have: Repeat Repeat on Virgin UK catalogue # CDV >2214. It's only been played once, and is in excellent condition. >For anyone interested, reply off-list to: WDQM60A@p... > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:17:02 -0500 >Subject: Re: soundtrack > >Really-From: Michael Fox > >I thot about this one----but I couldn't come up with the 'mood'. One of my >fave movies, though. >MF>> >If you had to pick a movie that you could have selected TD to do the >>> >soundtrack to, what movie would it be? >> >> >>Nosferatu. The original, of course > > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:58:51 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: An Introduction to Tangerine Dream > >Really-From: Robrann@a... > >Mark: > > Yes Mark - Please attach the TD info - thanks ! > >------------------------------ > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:27:49 -0700 >Subject: Re: What's Goblin Club like? > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >This is turning out very different from what I thought I was going to >write. I thought 'I don't like GC' was opinion and 'I have felt a >distinct decline in quality of TD's music' was plain arrogance >masquerading as opinion. In response to Graig Cordrey's post I started >a response based on that premise. > >I developed a nice line of arguement that led me to realize two >things. First, 'I don't like GC' isn't an opinion, it's a fact. And >second, if Mark Edmonds' statement is arrogance masquerading as >opinion, then what is opinion? I tried to formulate an opinion that >didn't have any 'arrogant' elements in it and failed! Whoa, epiphany! > >So I want to appologize to Mark Edmonds for being a jerk and thank >Graig Cordrey for pointing it out so tactfully and getting me to think >about it. I imagine I've labored under this misconception for my whole >life, but I think I may have lost a hot button, or at least, people >with such strong opinions might not so easily invoke my fight or flight >response. > >I just went to the digest (which I also get and just stash) and reread >Mark's post. I must have been having a bad day when it was first >posted 'cause upon rereading it, it's not even all that inflamatory. > >Hello. My name is Mark and I am a jerk. (Well, it's a start :-) > >I still love all TD music -- just some better than others depending on >my mood. > > >------------------------------ > >End of tadream-digest V15 #890 >****************************** > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 9:10 pm Subject: Re: webcast again? Really-From: SYensen@a... Fellow dreamers, my name is Steve, and I'm totally addicted to TD... I realise that this may be simple to some of you, but will RealAudio work on AOL 3.0i? I would hate to miss the forthcoming TD event. My modem is a US Robotics Sportster running at 33600 bps most of the time. Will this do? Judging from previous emails this seems to be okay?? I'm also trying to get Netscape 3.0 to work with AOL, as I 'ate the 'orrible web browser that comes with AOL... Steve Yensen, Nottingham UK (TD addicted since 1971). From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: New Tracks on Compilations (Flamebait Redux?) Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: D:Dream Roots Collection CD 5 >Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:21:01 -0400 (EDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Vic Rek > >I think it should be a crime to bundle a few new tracks with a >compilation! Hee hee. Starting up with this little flamewar again, eh? ;) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2708 Re: New Tracks on Compilations (Flamebait Redux?) Mark Filipak Wed 4/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 10:04 pm Subject: Really-From: wizardof0z@j... (Darren L Oswald) unsubscribe tadream Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2777 Tomohiro Goto Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 3007 Grant Middleton Thu 4/24/1997 3 KB 3073 ashok prema Fri 4/25/1997 5 KB 3101 Re: feldon@n... Sat 4/26/1997 5 KB 3262 oncica bogdan Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3265 Re: anunes@m... Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3671 Maurice G. Lafleur Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB 4295 ashok prema Wed 5/28/1997 5 KB 4303 Jay Dawes Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: RE: ...Dream Collector Info Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (peter stoeferle) >>>> >Fan Service : wonderful. 'Dream Collector' organized 'guest after show' >>>> > passes and will continue to do so all over Germany. >>> >>>Where can I get the dream-collector ! PLEASE ! Hello, Our magazine (in English language) was mentioned as an TD information source from time to time on this list... infos. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Peter Stoeferle Dream Collector editor e-Mail: peter.stoeferle@t... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2725 UK music source: Pastel Blue Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 4/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 15, 1997 11:12 pm Subject: Re: New Tracks on Compilations (Flamebait Redux?) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Really-From: Vic Rek > > > >I think it should be a crime to bundle a few new tracks with a > >compilation! > > Hee hee. Starting up with this little flamewar again, eh? ;) NO ! I misread or mistook Mark Edmonds post and don't relish that sort of stuff. I dressed myself down in public and scourged myself. I hope that's enough. What I said was the truth. I had never really thought out the nature of opinion and had taken the safe route by avoiding people with really strong opinions. But being on the tadream list and reading the prior slanders of Edgar, and then wading into the flames changed that. I'm dealing with it. So I made a faux pas with Mark E. Oh well. Mark Edmonds and I have been amicable both before and after. We've both been very helpful and supportive. So don't expect any more 'action' from me unless somebody decides to start calling Edgar names again. Cheers all and much happiness -- Mark (taking off the asbestos undies too :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 5:55 am Subject: error message Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves Hey gang, Sorry about accidentally reposting vertually all of yesterdays digest. That never happenned before. CHEERS...Matt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 9:21 am Subject: correction / apology Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> One of my last messages had an error in it (surprise surprise). Referring to the 'tangents' box set, I said 'Mark E. didn't want one??' -- What it SHOULD have said was 'Mark E. didn't *you* want one??' -- sorry Mark I goofed!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2712 Re: correction / apology Mark Edmonds Wed 4/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 6:27 pm Subject: Help: action request Really-From: anunes@m... Since I missed the messages from 04/12 and 04/13 owing to problems in my mail server, could someone please forward me a copy of the Digests from the 04/13 and 04/14 (I suppose the Digests have the messages from the previous day, right?) Thanks in advance. Antonio Nunes anunes@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2734 Re: Help: action request Mark Filipak Thu 4/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 11:30 am Subject: Re: correction / apology Really-From: Mark Edmonds >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >One of my last messages had an error in it (surprise surprise). Referring >to the 'tangents' box set, I said 'Mark E. didn't want one??' -- What it >SHOULD have said was 'Mark E. didn't *you* want one??' -- sorry Mark I >goofed!! Hey! No problem! Damn, I seem to have got off on a real bad start with this list - a mini-flame war, abusive and juevenile personal mails and people misquoting me. For the sake of the record, I want to point out that I am here because I want to talk about TD, not because I want to put peoples' backs out and for those of you who were probably looking forward to round 2 of the Mark E v Mark F debate, Mark and I have patched up our differences in the best possible manner so there will be no more of it. To quote Frank Zappa from his Joe's Garage album, 'Music is the best'. Right! So lets get back on track and talk about it! Over and out. Mark Edmonds From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 3:15 pm Subject: TD Tour well please some news for North America Really-From: Claude Roy Hi all! Well not much news from the tour. Could some of you who've attended, give us some news. Nobody have make a setlist of this tour. Me and my fellow friends from North America would like to hear more comments about this european tour. Please let us know. ___________________________________________________________ Claude Roy, Longueuil P.Q. Canada e-mail: e-mail: (site génie civil) (site cinema) ____________________________________________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 4:34 pm Subject: anything new? Really-From: M_SCHILD@L... hi everyone. i was off the list for 2 months, anything new or exciting happening with TD? Is there an album or tour in the works? Good to be back on. matt s. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2720 Re: anything new? van hove Wed 4/16/1997 2 KB 2739 Re: anything new? Mark Filipak Thu 4/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 5:08 pm Subject: For crying out loud! Really-From: 'Dave Lane' Mathew Hargreaves wrote: [quoting of ENTIRE tadream-digest V15 #890 removed] *Please* don't quote entire digests, or for that matter entire articles. Sheesh. Between this sort of thing and the people who insist on sending an HTML-encoded version of every article they post, this list is damn near impossible to read. --Dave From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 8:57 pm Subject: Help Wanted Really-From: 'DR IF FENSOME' Hi, Can anyone point me in the direction of a current (preferably UK or European) source for the 'rare' TD CDs 'Mystery Tracks 1' (containing Quinoa) and 'The Keep' (Blue Moon version), also Jean Michel Jarre 'Rarities'? Also, would anyone be prepared to obtain a copy of both the Oasis soundtrack and European Tour CDs for me? Please respond via e-mail. Thanks, Ian. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2717 Re: Help Wanted Brian Frick Wed 4/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 6:13 pm Subject: Re: Help Wanted Really-From: Brian Frick tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'DR IF FENSOME' > > Hi, > > Can anyone point me in the direction of a current > (preferably UK or European) source for the 'rare' > TD CDs 'Mystery Tracks 1' (containing Quinoa) and > 'The Keep' (Blue Moon version), also Jean Michel > Jarre 'Rarities'? Try CDNow. Although they aren't cheap, they might be the only way to get them... Go here: http://cdnow.com/from=sr-50098 Hope this helps!! -- Later! -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: TOO LOUD!!! Really-From: 'The Radio Gnome' This is a perrennial topic in rec.audio.pro. Do a dejanews search for some good discussions by the people behind the scenes as to why volumes are so high. --- Andrew Wing Politics isn't the art of persuasion, it's the science of selfishness. Big Brother isn't watching you, you're watching Big Brother, all 181 channels From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 2:31 pm Subject: too bloody loud Really-From: Michael Fox >I was beginning to >believe that my complaints about obscenely loud music placed me in a >minority of one.<<< I have done a lot of live mixing over the yrs both mains and monitor mixes and when doing the mains have always used a db meter to monitor levels. I, too, agree I don't understand why a show runs 125-138 db. I get tired of having my ears ring for 2 days after a show. I worked a show some yrs back that featured Heart and their mngr told me in no uncertain terms not to let the level get below 128db! What with Pete Townsend and others talking about the problem I am mystified why bands continue to 'make those ears bleed'. Mike PS But I did always get a kick out of some idiot sitting in a bass bin for the show! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2759 Re: too bloody loud Mark Edmonds Thu 4/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 7:36 pm Subject: Re: anything new? Really-From: van hove At 12:34 16-04-97 -0400, you wrote: >There was the CD box The Dream Roots collection with teh excellent CD5 track Valley of the Sun , the ebst TD ever did the last year..... And of course the new Oasis which has an excellent opening track....MAGIC There were the concerts in germany followed by the concerts on the continent. Belgium fans who wants to meet TD in Brussels next saturday give me a call... I can arrange something...Send me an E mail and give me your telefonenumber. To celebrate their 30th aniversary we have to give them something special.... See you at Ancienne Belgiue Front or Backstage.... > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 2:38 pm Subject: soundtrack Really-From: Michael Fox Really from--Scot Plumer > I had planned on cutting together a soundtrack and dubbing >it on, since my copy is totally silent, but I never got around to >actually cutting the tape. The problem I had doing Metropolis is it's almost 120 min. so what I did was decide what music fit the scenes, line up all the music, and did the whole thing on the fly as the film ran. The first time I did this was back in 1982 and I redid it (using that gawdawfull Georgio M. release) again in 1990. If I could get into a digital edit studio I'd love to do it right. BTW, anybody know where a really complete print of this movie can be had? Most copies I have or have seen are pretty chopped up. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 7:55 pm Subject: TD tour songs and brussels Really-From: van hove Hi I have some songtitles which they played in Bonn - Flashblood: excellent - Waterborne (both from Oasis) - Towards an evening star ( Goblins Club) - Rising haul in silence (Goblins club) - Phaedra - Stratosfear new mix - Tangent - Livemiles: San buena Ventura - Purple Haze (encore) - Das madchen auf die treppe : remix = excellent - Touchwood : remix Some songs from Le Parc, Poland concert, Melrose, 220 Volt etc... They played more than 2 hours: great concert I will meet the band in Brussels, Belgium fans who are interested in a meeting before or after teh gig, just send me an E mail and your telefonenumber.. We will party in Brussels all night long Last message:Valley of the sun from Dream Roots CD box is really worth for buying the whole bow, this is THE ULTimate TD track from last year. I have some TD videofootage..who is interested ?? Send me an E mail I also have a copy on tape of the first part of the concert in Bonn, but very bad quality. best Wishes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 9:25 pm Subject: Dream Collector Really-From: Klaus Beschorner tadream@c... wrote: > > tadream-digest Tuesday, 15 April 1997 Volume 15 : Number 890 > > Re: Concert impressions > > >Fan Service : wonderful. 'Dream Collector' organized 'guest after show' > > > passes and will continue to do so all over Germany. > > Where can I get the dream-collector ! PLEASE ! Rainer, if your hadn't given this beautiful explanation about the Baumann/Koek album my response would have been either none or 'read the FAQ', and you would have deserved it ;-) Try to call Peter at 08 21 15 51 88. He's rarely home, though. But this is your best chance. Apart from doing the same thing a guy did at Munich, when the passes were handed out, and one of the roadies asked him : 'Are you on the list ? ' (after he realized that there were several no-shows) and he replied 'No, but I'd like to join you anyway' Just for this reply, and for the cast on his leg, he got one of the remaining passes. Hey, all you others, _don't_ cast your legs because of this (true) story. I'm quite sure this will not work again if fifteen people on crouches show up ;-) =klaus= Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 11420 Dream Collector Plumer, Scott Wed 2/25/1998 2 KB 11456 Re: Dream Collector Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 2/27/1998 3 KB 11463 Re: Dream Collector Plumer, Scott Fri 2/27/1998 2 KB 11493 Re: Dream Collector Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 2/28/1998 3 KB 11515 Dream Collector chris horn Sun 3/1/1998 2 KB 11541 Re: Dream Collector Plumer, Scott Mon 3/2/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 9:33 pm Subject: Test Really-From: Jim Moore Testing... 'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10140 Test Gibbons, Conrad Mon 1/19/1998 2 KB 15288 Test Glyn G. Morton Tue 3/16/1999 1 KB 16213 Test Daventura Sun 5/2/1999 1 KB 17115 Test Nick adams Mon 7/5/1999 1 KB 24969 Test Glenn Folkvord Sat 11/11/2000 2 KB 24971 Re: Test Neal Frost Sat 11/11/2000 2 KB 26149 Test Neal Frost Mon 2/26/2001 2 KB 32202 Test albenson Thu 2/14/2002 2 KB 33282 Test Heiko Heerssen Tue 4/9/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 5:18 pm Subject: UK music source: Pastel Blue Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I just want everyone know that my maiden transaction with Pastel Blue was completely satisfactory. The double CD 'The Grooverider Presents: The Prototype Years' arrived in one week intact and for a reasonable price (around 15 pound sterling). I recommend them for hard to find European items. Comments about Drum & Bass music to follow, if requested. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: RE: varia Baumann/Koek Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (peter stoeferle) >>>Really-From: Rainer Rutka >>>The Baumann/Koek LP is _NOT_ Peter Baumann. That is a mistake ! >>>The Baumann/Koek-LP was released approx. 12 years ago by WOLFANG >>>Baumann and Eta Koeck from Kempten/Germany. It is a nice electronic >>>album but has nothing to do with PETER Baumann. >>>Really-From: Vic Rek >>>'Voices in the Dunes' book lists it under Peter Baumann (but there are some >>>mistakes in the book I'm told), but this is not the first time I hear that >>>it's not by him. I have this LP and it does sounds like music that Peter >>>would create, so I'm confused. >>>Really-From: Rainer Rutka >>>You can believe me Vic ! 'cause I knew Wolfgang Baumann personaly ! >>>He had a record-store in Kempten/Germany for a long time ago. He was >>>a cartoon-painter for the german pop-magazin 'POP', too. I >>>was always buying my electronic lps in his store. If I remember well, >>>the name of the store was 'FRONCOISE RECORDS' >>>One time he played some parts of his record in his store while I was >>>looking for some new stuff. I asked him. He told me, he did it himself ! ^ Hello, all of that is definitely true - I can confirm! I also met Baumann at his record store in Kempten in 1984 or 1985, and he told me the same. Of course, they did the record knowing and even calculating that people would be reminded of TD by the name Baumann... The entry in 'Voices in the dunes' is incorrect, due to some reason I cannot explain. (I also know Rainer Rutka to be reliable....) Peter Stoeferle (Co-Author of 'Voices in the dunes' and editor of 'Dream Collector' magazine) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 11:36 pm Subject: LOudness Really-From: M_SCHILD@L... I too have been to many loud concerts where i haven't been able to hear for a few days. I am also in a band that practices really loud and only lately have I started wearing earplugs. Within the last few months I have noticed a constant ringing in my ears, which is always there but only noticeable when things get quiet, so I have bought earplugs and constantly monitor the level I listen to things at, especially through headphones. Does anyone else have this kind of problem? If so is it something that will lead to hearing loss? I know this is off subhject of TD, but since loudness was being discussed I thought I would bring it up. matt s. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2740 Re: LOudness Mark Filipak Thu 4/17/1997 3 KB 2744 Re: LOudness Plumer, Scott Thu 4/17/1997 2 KB 2829 Re: LOudness SYensen@a... Sat 4/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 11:43 pm Subject: Re: UK music source: Pastel Blue Really-From: feldon@n... At 05:18 PM 4/16/97, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > >I just want everyone know that my maiden transaction with >Pastel Blue was completely satisfactory. > >The double CD 'The Grooverider Presents: The Prototype Years' arrived >in one week intact and for a reasonable price (around 15 pound sterling). > >I recommend them for hard to find European items. Unfortunately, I fear that they are going to mess up my order because several of their listings for Tangerine Dream albums are spelled incorrectly and they don't specify who publishes what disc. They have 'Dream Mixers' and 'Dream Mixes' and one is $3 more than the other one. The they have 'Logos '82' listed in black for $9 and then in red for $22. What gives? And who knows whether Poland is a single or double CD. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 11:40 pm Subject: Berlin concert on 04/16/97 HdK Really-From: Gary Struhlik Return from the show (my ears resound). All I can say is : The concert was very great ! Great atmosphere, great people (the audience and the musicians) and the show was superb. Three encores and some cool german spoken words by EF and the end of the show. The bass was not to loud ! I think the acoustics was tuned up very good to the hall. Gary S. PS: During the concert I fixed my eyes to Jerome's Cola can which stands on his rack behind him. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 5:17 am Subject: Spherical Harmonics Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' Can anyone tell me anything about the Spherical Harmonics (Parts 1 and 2) shows? I assume they are live shows. I am simply wondering when and where along with quality and anything else anyone could contribute. Danka, Maxwell (call me Franklin) Croy Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2732 Re: Spherical Harmonics feldon@n... Thu 4/17/1997 3 KB 2743 Re: Spherical Harmonics Plumer, Scott Thu 4/17/1997 2 KB 2791 Re: Spherical Harmonics Hermes Guzman Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 33933 Spherical Harmonics Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Thu 5/16/2002 2 KB 34039 Re: Spherical Harmonics chris towers Sat 5/18/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 5:21 am Subject: Hola Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' Woops, I also want to know about 'Dream Sequence' and 'Ardem O'... Info, Info, Info, Danka, Maxwell A. Croy From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 4:59 am Subject: Re: Spherical Harmonics Really-From: feldon@n... At 09:17 PM 4/16/97 -0800, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' > > >Can anyone tell me anything about the Spherical Harmonics (Parts 1 and >2) shows? I assume they are live shows. I am simply wondering when and >where along with quality and anything else anyone could contribute. I hate to do a 'me-too' thing, so I'll be even more picky! Speherical Harmonics is different from Poland (84) and Studiomiles (87). At least, that's what people tell me. But is it unique from the Harrogate UK concert? Also, is it worth the money people are asking for it? I'm not a die-hard completist---let me put it this way, I wouldn't pay more than $5 for the Sheperd's Bush *14 minute long* CD... However, I would climb a mountain for unreleased stuff from 1982, 83 and 84... Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 12:17 am Subject: re: TD-Digest #891 Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) In response to Tom Richmonds question about what music really 'grabs' some of us, how about this list, in addition to TD, of course. This is all some really good stuff: Software, Interface, Robert Schroeder, Patrick Kosmos, Rainer Bloss, Jean Michel Jarre, Vangelis, Mars Lasar, and Zazen. Does anybody else on here like any of these people besides me ? Steve Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2756 Re: TD-Digest #891 Francisco Salgado C. Thu 4/17/1997 3 KB 2782 Re: TD-Digest #891 TWeibre361@a... Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 2796 Re: TD-Digest #891 anunes@m... Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 2821 Re: TD-Digest #891 Larry E Smith Sat 4/19/1997 2 KB 2822 Re: TD-Digest #891 Vic Rek Sat 4/19/1997 2 KB 2830 Re: TD-Digest #891 SYensen@a... Sat 4/19/1997 2 KB 2832 Re: TD-Digest #891 SYensen@a... Sat 4/19/1997 2 KB 2851 Re: TD-Digest #891 PNaunton@a... Sun 4/20/1997 3 KB 2857 Re: TD-Digest #891 PNaunton@a... Sun 4/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 5:28 am Subject: Re: Help: action request Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: anunes@m... > > ... could someone please forward me a copy of the Digests from the > 04/13 and 04/14 ... Done -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Live Improvised Really-From: Ryan Smith Can anyone provide me with any information about the 'Live Improvised' album that was recorded at the Reims Cathedral in '74? Is it similar to the Rubycon/Ricochet sound, or does it resemble any other albums/concerts? I've a very big fan of Rubycon and Ricochet as well as the rest of TaDream's early work, so I'm trying to figure out if it's worth the effort to hunt this one down. Any input would be appreciated. Kaldari kaldari@c... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2741 Re: Live Improvised Mark Filipak Thu 4/17/1997 3 KB 2745 Re: Live Improvised Plumer, Scott Thu 4/17/1997 2 KB 2751 Re: Live Improvised Mark Edmonds Thu 4/17/1997 2 KB 2754 Re: Live Improvised Ryan Smith Thu 4/17/1997 2 KB 2758 Re: Live Improvised Plumer, Scott Thu 4/17/1997 2 KB 35807 Live Improvised Morgan Feldon feldon23 Fri 8/30/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 8:22 am Subject: Baumann/Koek Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves Hi gang, The Baumann/Koek album was listed in 'Voices In The Dunes' because at the time the information was assembled we did not not know for sure that Peter Baumann was involved. Now we know, so disregard the entry in the book. CHEERS...Matt Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2748 Baumann/Koek Craig Shipley Thu 4/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 9:16 am Subject: going fast! Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> OK dreamers this is your last chance to get the Tangerine Dream 'Towards the Evening Star' Orb remix single from me (You know, don't you, that for better or for worse this is THE SINGLE from Goblin's Club??!). I've just got a few copies left and the Virgin megastore is now SOLD OUT--no more, nada, nichts, niente, ne rien... I've also got just one of the black vinyl/white label promos (with inserts!) of this release left so e-mail me NOW. Maybe they will turn up in your city--I hope--but maybe not.... that's why I'm offering now. S/He who hesitates is lost... (a bit of wisdom I keep having to learn over and over and over again!). lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2742 Re: going fast! Mark Filipak Thu 4/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 9:22 am Subject: Berlin concert Really-From: Hilmar Kraft Hi folks, I am on the digest version, so I don't know if someone already reported about the great Berlin concert last night, but here are my impressions anyway: First of all, while the advance tickets from 'Moderne Welt' had been long sold out, there were several hundred tickets available at the concert hall itself (good for me, as I was able to sell off my row 16 ticket to someone and buy a row 4 ticket instead). Nevertheless it seemed like the entire venue ended up being more or less sold out as I only spotted a handful of empty searts during the show. The merchandise stand had indeed no more Quinoa, but instead yesterday for the first time the Australian Goblins Club (which apparently was not available at the other shows last week) with the track 'Fort Worth Runway One'. Also on sale: Oasis CD and the Special 1997 Tour CD with 'Maedchen on the stairs' (sic) in 2 versions and one other track. This particular CD has a great design: It is sort of a CD-single embedded in a full-size (12cm) CD. The outer ring of the CD is completely see-through clear plastic, only the actual recorded tracks have that silvery shine... Further items on sale: 2 t-shirts (white or blue) with the TDI logo (as seen on the first edition of TYGER), one black polo shirt with the same logo embroidered in gold, one black baseball cap with embroidered logo, a TD-pin and 3 different ballpoint pens with TDs name. The concert itself: For those who have been to London, the set was mostly identical to Sheperd's Bush despite of the different band lineup. Unfortunately the venue itself 'Hochschule der Kuenste' is a very modern and sterile hall, and unlike London, it was seating-room only. While this obviously has a negative influence, the crowd was still very good and one of the best I have ever seen in a seating-only concert. It seemed to me that the band was also very suprised and happy about the audience reaction, as Edgar gave a thumbs-up sign while pointing to the audience at 2 occasions! The sound quality was outstanding and crystal clear. While the bass indeed was heavy and the music was played pretty loud, it did not exceed my personal tolerance level for loudness. If anyone was in the audience with a tape recorder, I would guess that the result will be pretty good, sound-wise. I was pleasantly suprised by Zlatko. He plays a lot less obtrusive than before and his guitar is now much more in line with the overall music, he has become more of a band member rather than going off on Satriani-like noodlings. I think he was a big improvement over Hornby and Gradwool, who in London more or less stood around looking bored most of the time and constantly conveyed the impression that they were only there because somebody paid them to, not because they really liked the music. Interestingly, Zlatko 'played' along to almost every song, even when there was no guitar to be heard, he was scrubbing along in the background. I don't know if this was only for show or if somehere buried in the mix a guitar was supposed to be there. Fact is: I didn't hear any in these particular all-synth tracks, but it sure looked better than these two bored guys in London...The pieces where Zlatko did play came out much better than in London (e.g. Stratosfear 95). The drummer I have mixed feelings about. He is standing up while playing and has a huge 360-degrees drum set around him. There are about 8 bigger drums behind him and on the sides, with a special electronic surface which he can play at the rim or the center, another 8 or so all-electronic pads (anyone remember the band SAGA?) and a set of acoustic cymbals, hi-hats etc. The electronic drums of course change sounds throughout the show depending on the settings. The problem here: He only plays about half of the drum track live. A major portion (especially all bass drum) still comes from the MIDI-Mix. Since the drums he does play live sound exactly like the ones from the mix, it often looks like he is only mimicking to a playback tape. Very confusing. There was also a 'drum solo' as the opener to part 2 of the show, which I personally was not very impressed with. On the other hand, this guy adds a lot to the show and at least his playing of the cymbals and hi-hats gives the overall sound a great improvement. Particularly on the more ravy tracks from Dream Mixes he adds a lot of energy and power. Personally, I am one of the people who could never really appreciate the sax play of Linda and thus, I consequently did not miss her much. I really enjoyed the fact that Zlatko took over her part, and he did a good job of playing dreamy longish notes on his guitar which fit very well. Unlike London, where I had the impression that Edgar looked a little tired and almost seemed to give his son the front seat, he was 'the one in charge' last night. He paid very close attention to what the new drummer was doing and constantly looked over to him as if he was judging and trying to decide whether he had been a good addition or not. The light show was much better than in London with some very neat effects, even though some of them were projected into the audience and you had to turn your head to the back wall to see them. The second half had the same video clips from Oasis and Video Dream Mixes as were seen in London, but only very little of that 'Froese Home Video' stuff. Like I said, musically the set had a lot of similarities with Sheperd's Bush. A nice suprise was the addition of an excerpt from 'Logos', which didn't sound as good as the original though. Highlight of the show was certainly an incredible version of 'Silver Scale' which sounded much more 'eighties-like' than on Tangents and really had me transported back in time for a while. I closed my eyes and was so sure to listen to a Froese-Franke-Schmoelling lineup that it was creepy. Well done guys! The big disappointment (really the only one) of that evening was that Edgar didn't 'whip it out'. I stil think that the moment he came on stage with his axe in London was the absolute concert highlight there, and it was sorely missed last night. Other than that it was absolutely worth it and on many levels even an improvement over London, a more perfected version so to say. The set was slightly more dance/dream-mix oriented than in London and Edgar and the guys didn't even give us a single break: no slow tracks, no piano solo, it was all full-speed! The audience went really wild when 'Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal' was played, as most of them had probably not heard it before. Also the 'Maedchen' remix was played and sounded pretty good. To my amazement, the show started at 8:10 and finished at 11:25 with a 20 minute break inbetween. This made for some 2:55 of music (well...minus 5 minutes while waiting for the encores) - almost 3 hours! The final encore was...yet again...Purple Haze. After the show, Edgar grabbed a mike and extended special greetings to Berlin, 'the city where we still pay our taxes' as he put it last night. Interestingly, he 'apologized' to 'all the 68ers who are now sitting in the expensive front rows with their Armani jackets' and said that the concert may have been 'too loud' for them (which of course was heavily denied by the audience' and wished us farewell 'until the next time...' Hilmar Kraft PS: Please don't ask me for a track list - After my first 50 TD CDs I have given up on even trying to remember song titles! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2746 Re: Berlin concert Steve McCready Thu 4/17/1997 2 KB 32707 Berlin concert fozziebear Wed 3/13/2002 2 KB 32719 Re: Berlin concert Heiko Heerssen Thu 3/14/2002 3 KB 32727 Re: Berlin concert richter_arne Thu 3/14/2002 2 KB 32736 Berlin concert fozziebear Thu 3/14/2002 2 KB 32737 Berlin concert fozziebear Thu 3/14/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 8:56 am Subject: Re: anything new? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: M_SCHILD@L... > > hi everyone. i was off the list for 2 months, anything new or exciting > happening with TD? Is there an album or tour in the works? Good to be > back on. > matt s. Naw. Same old boring stuff. European tour currently in progress. New band lineup. Video out. 'Das Madchen auf der Treppe' remix CD5 out. Orb 'Towards the Evening Star (Mandarin Cream Remix)' out. Jerome looking more and more like J.S.Bach. Nothing new. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 9:29 am Subject: Re: LOudness Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: M_SCHILD@L... > > I too have been to many loud concerts where i haven't been able to > hear for a few days. I am also in a band that practices really loud > and only lately have I started wearing earplugs. Within the last few > months I have noticed a constant ringing in my ears, which is always > there but only noticeable when things get quiet, so I have bought > earplugs and constantly monitor the level I listen to things at, > especially through headphones. Does anyone else have this kind of > problem? If so is it something that will lead to hearing loss? I know > this is off subhject of TD, but since loudness was being discussed I > thought I would bring it up. Whenever I go to a show I put in a pair of the tan foam earplugs that have been specially designed for use by pilots of small aircraft -- small prop planes can be very loud inside. You twirl them between your thumb and forefinger until they're long and skinny and then stick them in your ears where they expand to form a tight but comfortable seal. You can obtain them at any general aviation field and are often found in vending machines there! They work great, attenuating the loudness without coloring the sound. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 11:25 am Subject: Re: Live Improvised Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Ryan Smith > > Can anyone provide me with any information about the 'Live Improvised' > album that was recorded at the Reims Cathedral in '74? Is it similar to > the Rubycon/Ricochet sound, or does it resemble any other > albums/concerts? I've a very big fan of Rubycon and Ricochet as well as > the rest of TaDream's early work, so I'm trying to figure out if it's > worth the effort to hunt this one down. Any input would be appreciated. > > Kaldari > kaldari@c... It's similar but unique, as are all the live improvisations from the 70s. Just get it. -- Mark PS: The sound quality is surprisingly good. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 11:55 am Subject: Re: going fast! Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > OK dreamers this is your last chance to get the Tangerine Dream > 'Towards the Evening Star' Orb remix single ... Oh. Damn you Lars. I'm a fan of the 'old' Orb but I don't like their last 3 albums. Shit, if you want to, put this in my bag too. I have a contract now so money will be forthcoming (yea!) -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 12:55 pm Subject: RE: Spherical Harmonics Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Can anyone tell me anything about the Spherical Harmonics (Parts 1 and >2) shows? I assume they are live shows. I am simply wondering when and >where along with quality and anything else anyone could contribute. They're from the Somerville Theater in Somerville, Mass., on Sept. 6, 1988. Total time is 115:00, and since it a soundboard recording, there are no crowd noises (no mics = no crowd). It's the best-sounding of the boots from '88, since its soundboard, but I think it loses something without the crowd noise. Setlist contains many tunes from Opt. Race, plus vocal-less tracks from Tyger. They did 'House of the Rising Sun' as an encore. Ralf Wadephal replaced Chris Franke for the tour and for OR. Get it, it's good. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 12:50 pm Subject: RE: LOudness Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I started wearing earplugs. Within the last few months I have noticed a >constant ringing in my ears, which is always there but only noticeable when >things get quiet, so I have bought earplugs and constantly monitor the level I Get your hearing checked. Sounds like tinnitus. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 1:04 pm Subject: RE: Live Improvised Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Can anyone provide me with any information about the 'Live Improvised' >album that was recorded at the Reims Cathedral in '74? Is it similar to >the Rubycon/Ricochet sound, or does it resemble any other >albums/concerts? I've a very big fan of Rubycon and Ricochet as well as >the rest of TaDream's early work, so I'm trying to figure out if it's >worth the effort to hunt this one down. Any input would be appreciated. Definitely get it if you can find it. It's TD's most famous concert, it's excellent quality and all proceeds go to help get fans' urine stains off the pillars of the cathedral. :-) The concert was played about a year after Phaedra was recorded, but stylistically, it's more like Atem, IMHO. Get it. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2751 Re: Live Improvised Mark Edmonds Thu 4/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 8:13 pm Subject: Re: Berlin concert Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready) Sounds like some nifty merchandise stuff ... who wants to import some to the USA? -Steve sbm@p... Sacramento, CA From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 1:32 pm Subject: Dream Roots Really-From: AslanFan1@a... Disc 1- I think only now are the oldest tracks bearable to listen to. I don't think they're ruined at all. Salvaged is more like it to me. Discs 2-4 Repackaged same ol same ol for the most part Disc 5- Valley of the sun is outstanding. The second tracks is a major snoozer. Vanishing Blue is very good and I seem to like Red Morpho better than most on the list. I really enjoyed this disc. The booklet is loaded with band pictures and a nice explanation of where they came from. I think this is a very nice compilaton. The extra tracks are much better than the ones on Tangents (except maybe Silver Scale). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3074 Dream Roots TangerineC@a... Fri 4/25/1997 2 KB 3097 Re: Dream Roots Mark Filipak Sat 4/26/1997 5 KB 3112 Re: Dream Roots TangerineC@a... Sat 4/26/1997 2 KB 11263 Dream Roots Patric Donaghy Sat 2/21/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 1:30 pm Subject: Baumann/Koek Really-From: Craig Shipley I _knew_ that the LP that I have is NOT by that 'Baumann', having been corrected many years ago (by this list, I might add). Since we were discussing Baumann releases, I couldn't help but stirring up some controversy >:->. I really wish that the B/K release was by Peter, 'cuz then we might just have seen it on CD (instead of that horrible REPEAT REPEAT, which I own on vinyl only and has been play ONCE, if I made it all the way through the first time). NP: Optical Image / Interference Craig Shipley craigs@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Tour T-shirts and pins Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Berlin concert >Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 05:22:13 -0400 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > >[...] Further items on >sale: 2 t-shirts (white or blue) with the TDI logo (as seen on the first >edition of TYGER), [...] Is this logo in color or monochromatic? Also, what are the dimensions (height and width) of the image? (Feh; I was hoping for the front cover image to the GOBLINS' CLUB CD.) >[...] one black polo shirt with the same logo embroidered in >gold, one black baseball cap with embroidered logo [...] By 'polo shirt' I assume you mean long sleeved shirt. Right? >[...] a TD-pin [...] What kind? A run-of-the-mill piece of printed tin with a bent piece of metal for pinning to your shirt, or a heavy metallic jobbie, or . . . a cloisonne (pseudo-inlay) pin. What's the image, and how much are these? (I have the heavy metallic ones of the TDI logo from the 1986 UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT tour (the May 6, 1986 Providence, Rhode Island [my home town] show). -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2766 Re: Tour T-shirts and pins TangerineC@a... Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 2775 Re: Tour T-shirts and pins Hilmar Kraft Fri 4/18/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Here's what's on Spherical Harmonics Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >>>Can anyone tell me anything about the Spherical Harmonics (Parts 1 and >>>2) shows? I assume they are live shows. I am simply wondering when and >>>where along with quality and anything else anyone could contribute. >>I hate to do a 'me-too' thing, so I'll be even more picky! >>Speherical Harmonics is different from Poland (84) and Studiomiles (87). At >>least, that's what people tell me. But is it unique from the Harrogate UK >>concert? >>Also, is it worth the money people are asking for it? I'm not a die-hard >>completist---let me put it this way, I wouldn't pay more than $5 for the >>Sheperd's Bush *14 minute long* CD... However, I would climb a mountain for >>unreleased stuff from 1982, 83 and 84... Spherical Harmonics 1 & 2 is TD live at New Haven in September 1988. It's totally different from the 1986 tour. It's a soundboard recording and the quality is among the best of the live CDs out there--there is no audience noise. If you like TD circa Tyger and Optical Race, I'd suggest getting it, but otherwise, you might not want it--it's mostly studio music played live with a few new bits. Here's what's on it: Part 1 Mothers of Rain After the Call Tyger Alchemy of the Heart a piano solo Phaedra Livemiles Part One (excerpt) Logos Part One (excerpt) long untitled track Part 2 guitar solo Cat Scan Atlas Eyes Marakesh octapad solo Ghazal Encore: Alexander Square Encore: Beethoven piano solo Encore: Sun Gate Encore: Midnight Trail Encore: House of the Rising Sun Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2767 Re: Here's what's on Spherical Harmonics Mark Filipak Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 2780 Re: Here's what's on Spherical Harmonics Rainer Rutka Fri 4/18/1997 3 KB 2781 Re: Here's what's on Spherical Harmonics Plumer, Scott Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 4:12 pm Subject: Re: Live Improvised Really-From: Mark Edmonds >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >>Can anyone provide me with any information about the 'Live Improvised' >>album that was recorded at the Reims Cathedral in '74? >The concert was played about a year after Phaedra was recorded, but >stylistically, it's more like Atem, IMHO. Get it. Wow, that sounds fantastic! Atem in a catherdral! Anyway, I just wanted to point out that Reims is not pronounced 'Reams' but more like 'Rance' - not that anyone was saying that, but its useful to know. Mark Edmonds From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 12:36 pm Subject: loudness Really-From: Michael Fox >Really-From: M_SCHILD@L... > > >I too have been to many loud concerts where i haven't been able to hear for a >few days. I am also in a band that practices really loud and only lately have >I started wearing earplugs.>> Matt: Get your hearing checked! As to earplugs-make them an essential like extra cords and picks. Check to see what the db reduction is on the package. Can be had at places that sell industrial gases and maybe smaller airports. Also watch the levels when using headphones. You can really bugger yourself if you listen at high levels even for a short time. Look for losses at the higher end of the spectrum. Sounds like you're working on a case of tinnitus to me. Mike--eh?--whathehellyousayinsonnyboy!--Fox From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 16, 1997 12:39 pm Subject: berlin Really-From: Michael Fox >Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > > >Hi folks, > >I am on the digest version, so I don't know if someone already reported >about the great Berlin concert last night, but here are my impressions >anyway: > Thanks Hilmar for a great read on the show! I almost felt I was there! Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Live Improvised Really-From: Ryan Smith OK, now that I know I want it, any pointers on where I might find it? (I've already sent email to ProgTron, but have yet to get a reply, and Oh Boy Records claims to have never heard of it.) Kaldari kaldari@c... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 6:59 pm Subject: Re: Spamming Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) TD Content : I just bought 'Green Desert' and it's stewing nicely. Feels different from other TD stuff of the same epoch. It's supposed to have been an unreleased studio album from around '73 but it sounds too clean. It says remixed and remastered in 1984 but even that doesn't seem right. Have I got something wrong here? They were not published till 1984, and Edgar and Franke did some 'tangetinyzing' on the original stuff. --- Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 6:51 pm Subject: Re: TD-Digest #891 Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) > > In response to Tom Richmonds question about what music really 'grabs' > some of us, how about this list, in addition to TD, of course. This > is all some really good stuff: Software, Interface, Robert Schroeder, > Patrick Kosmos, Rainer Bloss, Jean Michel Jarre, Vangelis, Mars > Lasar, and Zazen. Does anybody else on here like any of these people > besides me ? Steve By Jarre I like Oxigene and his live presentations( China, Barcelona...) By vangelis I dont like his niewer stuff. Albedo 0.39 is a classic, as well as other fine works such as Antarctica, Heven and Hell, Blade Runner soundtrack... don't you like Schulze? How about Himekami, Patrick O'Hearn, Steve Roach, RMI, Future Sound of London... Lataly, Jocelyn 'exposed' me to Michel Brook, and I find his CD 'Cobalt Blue' the best I've heard outside TD, lately. --- Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 7:49 pm Subject: Miriam Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' I just saw a very nice episode of Tatort called 'Miriam' on the German TV WDR. Music of Tangerine Dream. Very much like Logos and White Eagle. I especially liked the end-tune. Same rhythm as White Eagle but a different solo/tune. Great. I wonder, when the 'Das Maedchen' remix is sold out at the concerts will they release 'Miriam' remix too. Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 8:35 pm Subject: Re: Live Improvised Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >OK, now that I know I want it, any pointers on where I might find it? >(I've already sent email to ProgTron, but have yet to get a reply, and Oh >Boy Records claims to have never heard of it.) There are two ways to do it. One way hurts TD by profitting from their efforts. The other way helps TD by hurting those that would seek to profit from their labors. First way: Find a store that sells b**ts and buy it. This is becoming increasingly hard to do. An excellent store in Boston (which shall remain nameless) I heard was recently raided by the Feds and had a substantial portion of their inventory confiscated. Interesting, since they were not, nor have they been, accused of a crime. Second way: Find someone with the CD or a tape, and get a tape copy of it. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 4:20 pm Subject: Re: too bloody loud Really-From: Mark Edmonds >Really-From: Michael Fox > > >I have done a lot of live mixing over the yrs both mains and monitor mixes >and when doing the mains have always used a db meter to monitor levels. I, >too, agree I don't understand why a show runs 125-138 db. I get tired of >having my ears ring for 2 days after a show. Unnecessary excessive volume always strikes me as being a waste as well. Years back, I went to a gig where the promoters were claiming it was the most powerful PA ever assembled in the UK - I think they had 130,000 watts at their disposal. I was there early and walking in front of the stage when some SOAB at the desk decided to try it out - full whack. I am sure that an intermittant thumping sound in my left ear relates to this incident. Bad volume is bad news. Mark Edmonds From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 9:20 pm Subject: TV Broadcast Really-From: 'K.E' Hi all, Look out for this... After the brilliant concert in Hamburg one of the crew members told us, that this concert might be broadcast on the TV channel VH-1 (or maybe it`s WH-1 - I don`t know this channel) so watch out for this! I don`t know when, but at least we saw cameras on and off stage so it might come true :-) Kent From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: GREEN DESERT's Fishy Origins; POLAND Kraftwerk-esque? Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subect: Spamming >Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:59:23 +0200 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > >>Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) >> >TD Content : I just bought 'Green Desert' and it's stewing nicely. Feels >>different from other TD stuff of the same epoch. It's supposed to have >>been an unreleased studio album from around '73 but it sounds too clean. Sure does. There's no way even Klaus Schulze could've have done something like that in 197*3*! Even stylistically, it doesn't sound remotely like PHAEDRA, RUBYCON or RICOCHET. I'm glad that I'm now not the only one who thinks this recording sticks out like a sore thumb. When Elana asked for questions when interviewing Chris Franke awhile back, this was the very TD-related question I wanted answered most, i.e. was the release version of GREEN DESERT the result of Ed & Chris's efforts, or just Ed's, and was the music merely remixed or *RE-RECORDED*?!?!? I suspect the latter . . . in a *big* way. >>It says remixed and remastered in 1984 but even that doesn't seem right. I thought it said 1986. *That* I can believe. >>Have I got something wrong here? No. I think the bulk of the people on this list, do, though, as regards this album (sorta like the Baumann/Koek record, tee hee?). >They were not published till 1984, and Edgar and Franke did some >'tangetinyzing' on the original stuff. I think you're right on the nose with this: GREEN DESERT indeed qualifies as TANGENTIZING. To all this, I have one thing to say: Thank God Edgar wasn't given the opportunity to monkey around with THE PARK IS MINE. As it stands, THE PARK IS MINE is the rawest TD I've ever heard outside of ELECTRONIC MEDITATION. When I lend TD to post-hardcore, industrial, grunge, or techno fans, the records that come to mind the first are ELECTRONIC MEDITATION, THE PARK IS MINE, and MIRACLE MILE (okay, and POLAND, too--which is the closest TD ever came to Kraftwerk, IMHO. -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: MIRIAM, i.e. the 'Daydream' b/w 'Moorland' 45, Again Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Miriam >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:49:17 +0200 >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > >I wonder, when the 'Das Maedchen' remix is sold out at >the concerts will they release 'Miriam' remix too. I hope so, too!!! :) :) :) Honestly, 'Moorland' (the B-side to the 45 from the MIRIAM soundtrack) is one of my all-time fave TD tracks. It sounds like a combination of the stuff on the 'Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe' single, WAVELENGTH, FIRESTARTER, THE KEEP ('Fisherman's Morning,' perhaps?), and Edgar's KAMIKAZE 1989 all at once. -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 10:34 pm Subject: Ears Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >I too have been to many loud concerts where i haven't been able to hear for a >few days. TD 1986 was not as loud as I was expecting. Jules and I were both carrying ear plugs just in case but were not required. TD 1996 was quite loud but tolerable. The loudest ever band I've seen were 'The Icicle Works' and I left before they finished because my head hurt. My hearing was screwed for two days afterwards and I will never forget lying in bed that night listening to my ears singing. Please, God, let's stop this stupid practice of cranking the volume up beyond the pain threshold.... >I am also in a band that practices really loud and only lately have >I started wearing earplugs. Within the last few months I have noticed a >constant ringing in my ears, which is always there but only noticeable when >things get quiet, The same happened to myself and my friend, Norman, who plays in an industrial rock band. I have some permanent ear damage as a result of too much volume. You simply _don't_ realise the damage you're doing to yourself. I used to suffer from tinnitus dreadfully although, mercifully, it's not as bad as it used to be. >... so I have bought earplugs and constantly monitor the level I >listen to things at, especially through headphones. An Ear, Nose and Throat specialist told me that these silly implants that fit right into your ears and deliver huge amounts of sound straight into your head are doing _real_ damage to your ears. Do yourself a favour : throw 'em away and buy lower power headphones... >Does anyone else have this kind of problem? If so is it something that >will >lead to hearing loss? I know this is off subject of TD, but since >loudness was >being discussed I thought I would bring it up. As I say, I have a degree of hearing damage brought on by too much music for too long. I still have a degree of tinnitus. TD used to play loud. I wasn't able to attend these concerts but I gather from people who were there that it was painful unless you managed to get yourself away from the speaker stacks. I've often critisiced journalists who review bands from the safety of the bar. When you think of it, it does makes sense. If you see ten bands a week and they're all mega loud, then surely you're hearing is at risk. Cheers David T-Bass : Electronic Music email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 10:42 pm Subject: Hamburg Concert 15/4 Really-From: 'K.E' Hi all! :-) Yes, I am still smiling even to days after this great concert in Hamburg. Well, ten of my danish TD-friends from all over the country and I rented a small bus and set off to Germany. It was a nice opportunity to met and talk about our comon interrest and it turned out to be a very nice trip. When we arrived at the Musikhalle in Hamburg we where met by fellow dreamer Stephan Bishof and together we went to an Irish pub to have a bite and a pint of somthing liquid. 3 other people from Denmark joined us there. An hour before the concert we went to the Musikhalle and got hold of the CD`s (I think the Tour CD is excelent, but the Oasis soundtrack seems a little boring to me!) and other stuff we of course had to buy and then got seated on the 6./7. row. I don`t think the concert was sold out! I will not comment on the music since Hilmar Kraft did so perfectly in his review of the Berlin concert, but I can add a few things; The Musikhalle is obviously made for classical musik and it did have a very good accoustic, so I must say that TD sounded great and it was NOT to loud or had too much Bass. The light show was OK - same concept as in Shepherds Bush with film to acompany the second part. The bits with Linda seemed to be cut out, though! TD played better than in London last year and I did like both the new percussionist and Zlatko. The drums added more dynamic to the sound and I think Zlatko is a brilliant guitar player who fits nicely into the Dream music (Well, not all of my fellow countrymen felt the same way about the guitar!) Well, I missed a classic Edgar Froese guitarsolo though...but I did not mis the sax! Like Hilmar I don`t remember all the titels they played, but it was a 'vintage' and a 'Dream mixes' set and each set was played without any breaks. Even though I mostly enjoy the TD music from their first 15 years, I liked the modern part at the concert best. Same encores as in Berlin - Purple Haze was very `eavy! Since I had a Backstage Pass I had a small conversation with Edgar&Son in their dressing room. Very nice and down to earth. A perfect ending to a perfect concert. On the bus home everybody was in High spirit and we talked all the way to Herning in Denmark, where we arrived at 6.00 next morning! Still very tired - but smiling :-) Kent Eskildsen From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 11:03 pm Subject: Tour 97: Incomplete Tracklist Really-From: stephan bischoff Here's a second draft of a tracklist (from the Hamburg gig; others should be similar) --Part1: 1. Waterborne (Oasis) ? Flashflood (Oasis) Phaedra Stratosfear 1995 Livemiles: San buena Ventura (Dream Roots) Streethawk (Le Parc) Silver Scale (Tangents) Logos: Blue Part --Part2: 1. Drum Solo ? Lamb with Radar Eyes Toward the evening star (Goblins Club) Rising haul in silence (Goblins club) Touchwood (just another remix) Little Blonde in the park of attractions ? Dolls in the Shadow (Melrose) --Encores: 1. Das Maedchen auf der Treppe/White Eagle (remix) 2. Thief Yang And The Tangram Seal 3. Purple Haze (220 Volt) Stephan _____ __________________________________________________________ / || \ |E-mail|| Stephan.Bischoff@H... | \_____||____________________________________________________ | / || | | Home ||http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/index.html | \_____||__________________________________________________________/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 11:34 pm Subject: Re: Tour T-shirts and pins Really-From: TangerineC@a... Where can I buy this stuff? Or who can I buy this stuff from? I'd love to have it. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 11:41 pm Subject: Re: Here's what's on Spherical Harmonics Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> > > ... Spherical Harmonics 1 & 2 is TD live at New Haven in September > 1988. ... John (and anyone else who may have the definitive info) Are you sure 'Spherical Harmonics' is from the Palace Theater, New Haven (9 Sep 88) show? My records indicate it's from the Somerville Theater, Boston (6 Sep 88) concert. Thanks for any clarification you can give. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 17, 1997 7:29 pm Subject: tadream-digest V15 #892 Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) This is for Maxwell Croy, regarding Ardem-O. The sound quality is terrible. It sounds like somebody had the recorder in their coat at times. The same goes for 'me-rad', and 'collected endings', with 'collected endings' being the best of the three. All are on Silver Rarities, at least mine are. If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over ? Steve Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2772 Re: tadream-digest V15 #892 MariaTeresa Scurria Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 2833 Re: tadream-digest V15 #892 Chemde@a... Sat 4/19/1997 3 KB 2881 Re: tadream-digest V15 #892 TWeibre361@a... Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: talk during concert Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >>where else can you hear them talking to the audience, and what >>do they have to say? In Aachen, Germany, Jan. 21st 1981, Edgar >>grapped a microphone after the first set just to remind us that >>we could buy T shirts outside (as documented on the fantape, beside >>my and my cousin's chat). Were they running out of money? TD seemed rarely talk to the audience in the 1970s, though in later years they'd say a few words at the end of concerts to thank the audience for coming (much like they did at Shepherd's Bush). I'm not quite sure what they said at Paris PdS 1976, something like 'We want now to play a song--'Le Chemps de . It is inspired by and Tropidan. We hope you'll enjoy it.' They made a similar announcement during the Croydon 1976 concert (about 2 weeks before Paris) and played a similar song, but other than that, they're usually totally incommunicado. Although in a couple of 1976 concerts Peter Baumann **did** just start screaming randomly for ambience. I guess Steve Jolliffe ranting and raving a lot of unintelligible nonsense in 1978 doesn't count either..... Funny, I never noticed them talking on the Aachen tape, that's interesting what they said..... Oh yeah--one more instance occured to me--Peter Baumann introduced the band before the Albert Hall concert in '76, and you can hear it at the start of first '3-Tier Dream' disk. It's fairly funny, Peter describes Edgar as a 'really great harmonica player', Chris as an 'amazing drummer', and himself as 'probably bad entertainment.' --John Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2831 Re: talk during concert SYensen@a... Sat 4/19/1997 2 KB 2899 Re: talk during concert John Burek Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB 2901 Re: talk during concert Plumer, Scott Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Spherical Harmonics = New Haven, CT '88 Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Mark (and list): It's been said often that Spherical Harmonics is from Boston '88, but there's no doubt in my mind that it's actually New Haven, I'm certain. A soundboard recording supposedly ALSO exists of Boston Somerville '88, perhaps that's the misunderstanding. I have audience tapes of both the New Haven and Boston concerts (two different ones of New Haven, actually), and the Boston show has a different sequence of encores than New Haven does; the New Haven encore sequence appears on Spherical Harmonics 2. They played Canyon Voices, for instance, in Boston, which they didn't in New Haven. Also, SH no doubt is New Haven because there is some keyboard improvising/noodling you can hear on SH1 on the track 'After the Call' which clearly belongs to the New Haven show tape. --John Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2795 Re: Spherical Harmonics = New Haven, CT '88 Dave Lane Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 2798 Livecast Sean Montgomery Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Countdown Really-From: jan.willem@s... (Jan Willem Walraven Borst) Hello, The countdown is started. 3 days to go for the concert in 'De Melkweg' in Amsterdam. Greetings, Jan Willem From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #892 Really-From: MariaTeresa Scurria Unsubscribe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 7:40 am Subject: Re: GREEN DESERT's Fishy Origins Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' tadream mailing list wrote: > >TD Content : I just bought 'Green Desert' and it's stewing nicely. Feels > >>different from other TD stuff of the same epoch. It's supposed to have > >>been an unreleased studio album from around '73 but it sounds too clean. OK, my 2c on this front. Of course, as TD are so bloody precious about their history, there's very little chance of finding out the complete truth. I believe that most of Green Desert was recorded in 1973. If they still had the analogue master tapes, you'd still get a decent signal / noise ratio (consider Dark Side of the Moon). The instruments they were using at the time (Moog modular, etc) were easily capable of creating 'clean' sounds, even though they are better known as being the source of 'warm' or 'dirty' sounds. Indeed, it is possible for analogues to produce far higher frequencies than even the best digital system. > Sure does. There's no way even Klaus Schulze could've have done > something like that in 197*3*! Even stylistically, it doesn't sound > remotely like PHAEDRA, RUBYCON or RICOCHET. Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but Timewind was '74, wasn't it ? It is cleaner than a clean thing that's just taken night classes in advanced cleanliness. > I'm glad that I'm now not the only one who thinks this recording > sticks out like a sore thumb. It does, but I think that's due to the sparseness of the music. Around the same time they created 'Atem', 'Phaedra' and 'Rubycon'. All three of these titles are multi-layered multi-textured symphonies. They sound like they were built up over weeks if not months. Green Desert sounds to me more like it was made during a sunny afternoon in Berlin. > When Elana asked for questions when > interviewing Chris Franke awhile back, this was the very TD-related > question I wanted answered most, i.e. was the release version of > GREEN DESERT the result of Ed & Chris's efforts, or just Ed's, and > was the music merely remixed or *RE-RECORDED*?!?!? I suspect the > latter . . . in a *big* way. I believe they built on the original tracks, but you can definitely hear a Yamaha DX7 in there - certainly not available until 1983. > >>It says remixed and remastered in 1984 but even that doesn't seem right. > > I thought it said 1986. *That* I can believe. > Hmmm. I didn't think recording technology had advanced so much during those 2 years. Why can you believe 1986, but not 1984 ? > >They were not published till 1984, and Edgar and Franke did some > >'tangetinyzing' on the original stuff. > > I think you're right on the nose with this: GREEN DESERT indeed > qualifies as TANGENTIZING. Absolutely agree. Though I would tend to term it 'Bastardising'. If you haven't heard 'Green Desert', don't expect it to sound anything like 'Phaedra' or 'Rubycon'. It's not even in the same ball park as them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 9:14 am Subject: The 2 new tracks Really-From: Hilmar Kraft Hi all, finally I got to listen to the 2 new tracks I brought home from the concert (other than Oasis of course). 'Fort Worth Runway One' is an odd track for Goblins Club. It is the last track, clocks in at 6:24 and is rather slow and thus a bit different. Except for a light beat in the last 2 minutes it has no drums and also doesn't jump around like most other tracks on Goblins, but rathers stays consistent in its mood. Interestingly, though it is credited as a (Froese/Froese) track, it has much more in common with Edgar Froese solo tracks and would have fit nicely on 'Beyond The Storm'. It actually features a nice melody line, a bit simplistic for my taste, but the background tracks to the melody save it from becoming too 'light'. The intro features about 1 minute of ATC (air traffic control) dialog between pilots and controllers, which gives a nice ambience to the track. All in all I was pleasantly surprised with it and think it makes a good last track, sort of an 'outro' to the album. The other new track is found on the 1997 Tour CD, next to two 'Maedchen' remixes. It is called 'Order of the ginger gild'. Which of course raises the question: what is/are 'gild' (not 'guild'!). This track, I have to say, is absolutely fantastic. It has a running time of 9:05 and reminded me a little of 'Sojus' from Dream Mixes, but more importantly: this seems to be some sort of leftover from 'Exit' that has been 'Jeromified' into a trancey version. It is a lot less 'in your face' than some of the other 'Dream Mixes', and has a lot of the characterisctics of what I like of earlier TD. For one, there is no real melody (thus like e.g. Network 23), but rather chords and fractions of melody. There are even some instruments or samples of sounds that were used on 'Exit', enough to bring back some of that 80s feeling. At the same time there are some of the more Enigma-like samples which are typical for Goblins, and of course the modern beat that Jerome adds. Great stuff and totally different from Goblins. If they continue to wander more in this direction, then they will actually end up where they didn't want to be: creating once again music that you can really dream to, get into a trance-like state etc. I certainly wouldn't mind. Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 9:14 am Subject: Re: Tour T-shirts and pins Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > Really-From: Steven Feldman > >Is this logo in color or monochromatic? Also, what are the >dimensions (height and width) of the image? (Feh; I was hoping for the >front cover image to the GOBLINS' CLUB CD.) Well, I didn't buy it, but the dimensions are pretty huge. In other words, on the t-shirts, the TDI logo covers the entire front...about the size of a 12' record I would guesstimate. The logo's are in one color: the white t-shirt has a blue logo and the blue t-shirt has a white logo, as far as I can remember. These are of course the typical iron-on-type t-shirt logos. >>[...] one black polo shirt with the same logo embroidered in >>gold, one black baseball cap with embroidered logo [...] >By 'polo shirt' I assume you mean long sleeved shirt. Right? Actually no: it is short-sleeved, but has a collar and is made of heavier material. Is 'polo shirt' not the right word? I thought a long-sleeved one would more accurately descibed as 'sweat-shirt'. Anyway, on this one the logo is much smaller, only about the size of a half-dollar coin, and below the logo, the words 'Tangerine Dream' are embroidered in the same gold color. This polo shirt looks like it is made of good quality and the black-and-gold combo looked quite good, especially with the logo and letters being rather small. >>[...] a TD-pin [...] >What kind? A run-of-the-mill piece of printed tin with a bent >piece of metal for pinning to your shirt, or a heavy metallic jobbie, >or . . . a cloisonne (pseudo-inlay) pin. What's the image, and how >much are these? (I have the heavy metallic ones of the TDI logo from >the 1986 UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT tour (the May 6, 1986 Providence, Rhode >Island [my home town] show). I would think that these are the exact same ones. They are made from thick metal, are square, black and have the TDI logo in gold. The pin in the back is covered by a safety cap. They were selling for DM 5,-- which is exactly $3 US. Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 9:27 am Subject: Re: tracklist Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >Really-From: stephan bischoff > >Here's a second draft of a tracklist >(from the Hamburg gig; others should be similar) Stefan, now it does get interesting. I can already tell that Berlin had a few differences. For example 'Towards the Evening Star' was the *last* track of the main set in Berlin. So at least they did change the order! Furthermore, in Berlin we got to listen to 4 tracks in the encores...there was one more 'Dream Mixes' track played, sorry can't remember which... >From what I heard, the concert in Berlin was also some 15 minutes longer than the one in Hamburg, so that would explain the difference... Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 9:36 am Subject: Really-From: Tomohiro Goto unsubscribe tadream From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: VH-1 Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... >Really-From: 'K.E' > > >Hi all, Look out for this... > >After the brilliant concert in Hamburg one of the crew members told us, >that this concert might be broadcast on the TV channel VH-1 (or maybe >it`s WH-1 - I don`t know this channel) so watch out for this! > >I don`t know when, but at least we saw cameras on and off stage so it >might come true :-) > >Kent VH-1 (Video Hits One, I think it stands for) is a British cable TV music channel. I get VH-1 at home so I'll keep a blank videotape handy... :-) Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2779 Re: VH-1 TangerineC@a... Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 2792 Re: VH-1 Hilmar Kraft Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 10:06 am Subject: Re: VH-1 Really-From: TangerineC@a... Is this just a rumor or is it true? If anyone finds out when it's on, post it on this mailing list. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 10:10 am Subject: Re: Here's what's on Spherical Harmonics Really-From: Rainer Rutka On 17 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > >>>Can anyone tell me anything about the Spherical Harmonics (Parts 1 and > >>>2) shows? I assume they are live shows. I am simply wondering when and > >>>where along with quality and anything else anyone could contribute. > > Spherical Harmonics 1 & 2 is TD live at New Haven in September 1988. It's > totally different from the 1986 tour. It's a soundboard recording and the > quality is among the best of the live CDs out there--there is no audience noise. > If you like TD circa Tyger and Optical Race, I'd suggest getting it, but > otherwise, you might not want it--it's mostly studio music played live with a > few new bits. > > Here's what's on it: > > Part 1 > Mothers of Rain > After the Call > Tyger > Alchemy of the Heart > a piano solo > Phaedra > Livemiles Part One (excerpt) > Logos Part One (excerpt) > long untitled track > > > Part 2 > guitar solo > Cat Scan > Atlas Eyes > Marakesh > octapad solo > Ghazal > Encore: Alexander Square > Encore: Beethoven piano solo > Encore: Sun Gate > Encore: Midnight Trail > Encore: House of the Rising Sun > Possible to get a copy for me ;-)))) ? (by Tape, DAT oder CD-ROM) Would like to tade ?! Best wishes Rainer Rutka rainer@i... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 12:11 pm Subject: Re: Here's what's on Spherical Harmonics Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> > >> ... Spherical Harmonics 1 & 2 is TD live at New Haven in September >> 1988. ... >John (and anyone else who may have the definitive info) >Are you sure 'Spherical Harmonics' is from the Palace Theater, New Haven >(9 Sep 88) show? My records indicate it's from the Somerville Theater, >Boston (6 Sep 88) concert. Thanks for any clarification you can give. Sorry John, but I have it as Somerville 9/6/88 as well. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 12:47 pm Subject: Re: TD-Digest #891 Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-04-17 18:07:41 EDT, you write: << Lataly, Jocelyn 'exposed' me to Michel Brook, and I find his CD 'Cobalt Blue' the best I've heard outside TD, lately. >> if u liked this one, check out 'live at the aquarium'...u wont regret it.... tom w np: augustus pablo - demo tapes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: VH-1 is an American cable station owned by MTV Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: VH-1 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: 18 Apr 97 10:57 >Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... > >VH-1 (Video Hits One, I think it stands for) is a British cable TV >music channel. [...] VH-1 (yes, it *is* Video Hits One) might be on UK cable, but it is owned and operated by the USA MTV. It is the 'adult contemporary' branch of MTV. Interestingly, about five years ago, VH-1 had a weekly New Age show, and the intro music to this show was the second track (I forgot the name) off LE PARC. -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 2:38 pm Subject: Tour Questions/Backstage Remembrance Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... The next time one of you lucky folks gets backstage to see the Froeses, could you please ask either of them if they'll be gracing America with their presence later this year? It would certainly save me mucho moolah, as I won't have to pay someone to ship me all those concert-only releases. And if the answer is no, could someone EMail me off-list if they can grab extra copies of the Australian 'Goblin's', the 'Madchen' remix, and maybe one of those Polo shirts (whoever asked, btw, Polo shirts are short sleeved, Oxford shirts are long sleeve {with those button-down collars}). Or perhaps the blue t-shirt? Decisions, decisions! Your fashion expert (not!), B. Kirby PS - Boy, my backstage experience is certainly a lot different than what I've been hearing this week. Back when the TDNAN was just getting off the ground, we managed to scare up one (1) pass, which we passed along in a chain across the country! When I used mine to gain access after the Philadelphia show, my sojourn lasted approximately 5 seconds. I opened the curtain, stepped in, and was told by the manager that the band wouldn't be seeing anyone. That thing sure came in handy! PPS - That experience, however, was more than balanced out by the prior in NYC , when Chris Lawless and I managed to worm our way into the restaurant where the band was enjoying an after-gig snack. We sat with Edgar for about half an hour, but he spoke so quietly that I'll be darned if I could make out most of what he was saying. And since it was 5 years ago, of course I can't remember any of what I did understand. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2793 Re: Tour Questions/Backstage Remembrance Sean Montgomery Fri 4/18/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 3:09 pm Subject: Re: d:Rubycon Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-14 00:01:01 EDT, you write: << I think that 'apocolyptic' is the best way to describe the first four minutes of Rubycon part two. Starts out with air raid sirens and moves to what could be best described as people screaming and passing through a 'synthesizing box'. Absolutely amazing stuff.>> It just goes to show (whateverthatmeans) that different perceptions bring different things to light. I've never made that correlation you describe. I've always looked at (or maybe 'listened to' is a better expression) the sounds in 'Rubicon' as being more Earthy and natural or pastoral than the 'apocolyptic' visions you have come up with. Your comments are interesting. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 3:09 pm Subject: Re: Soundtrack Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-14 01:24:07 EDT, you write: << If you had to pick a movie that you could have selected TD to do the soundtrack to, what movie would it be? >> I've always wondered what it would be like if TD did the track to one of the wierder of the old silent movies like 'Dr. Mabuse' or 'Metropolis' or 'Nosferatu', on the other hand I sometimes wonder what an animation artist might do with some of TD's more famous recordings, like 'Force Majeure' for example. Just a couple of thoughts. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7899 Soundtrack AslanFan1@a... Mon 10/20/1997 4 KB 7906 The Man Inside (or, Re: Soundtrack) Dave Brewer Mon 10/20/1997 3 KB 7978 Re: Soundtrack Tdune@a... Wed 10/22/1997 3 KB 8001 Re: Soundtrack FredYargui@a... Thu 10/23/1997 3 KB 8015 Re: Soundtrack AOutland@a... Fri 10/24/1997 3 KB 8026 Re: Soundtrack DJS Fri 10/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 3:09 pm Subject: Re: What's Goblin Club like? Really-From: PNaunton@a... I fully support freedom of speach and all that goes with it, but if you guys need to use such coarse language in your various and sundry flames, I wish you would take it to private mail. I personally, don't need it, and probably neither does 98% of the rest of the list. I think we are all adults here ( I hope ) and can communicate on a public forum without the need of gutteral Anglo-Saxon epithettes to punctuate our thoughts and feelings. Thank you, Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2888 Re: What's Goblin Club like? Dennis Nigbur Mon 4/21/1997 3 KB 2952 Re: What's Goblin Club like? TangerineC@a... Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 3:09 pm Subject: Re: Only TD! Naw! Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-13 13:44:11 EDT, you write: << Speaking of winter, George Winston puts out some excellent piano solo. My fav is December, then Winter into Spring. Don't like Autumn. Although I haven't heard Summer, Forest, or 'Linus and Lucy'... Morgan Marks feldon@n... >> I won't deny the popularity of George Winston, and this popularity may prove the worth of the music therein contained, but personally I cannot bear the music. If someone wanted to torture me to death, all they would have to do is tie me to a chair and play a couple of George Winston CDs. I guarantee I would be dead inside of two hours. There is very little music I cannot get something out of, but this stuff defies my interest, totally and utterly. No offense. Just a comment. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 3:09 pm Subject: Re: Repeat. Repeat Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-14 11:10:47 EDT, you write: << He also has another album with vocals call STRANGERS IN THE NIGHT (I think) I haven't played it in over 10 years... (1983) The artist is justlisted as BAUMANN, but it's him... Mike J >> I have this on LP and I have played one side of it once. And now it sits in permanent archive in the basement (where it belings, I believe). When I bought this and got it home, I was so disappointed, I immediately lapsed into a twelve month depression. I was positive that the pressing company had stuck labels on the wrong disk and packaged it into the wrong jacket. This could not be the famous Baumann of Tangerine Dream. This wasn't the Holy Grail. This was a total embarrasment, as far as I was concerned. I never, ever, bought another Baumann release. I was crushed. When he began Private Music and TD joined the artist list I knew there was going to be a decline. For years I waited for the inevitable 'Tangerine Dream and the Birmingham Orchestra' recording ala Moody Blues. Fortunately I was saved from this 'fate worse than death' by some miracle of random fortune. The Private Music years, although not exactly total tripe, are, in my humble opinion, the nadir of their magnificent output. Phil Naunton P.S. Please direct vitriolic disagreements to my private mailbox. Thank you. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 3:09 pm Subject: GRASS & ZLATKO Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-14 05:23:47 EDT, you write: << Second, did you know street slang around the markets here for asparagus is 'grass'? Usually 'finest English grass' or 'homegrown grass.' Looks mighty tasty too. |-) I might just sautee some up here soon. (And you probably thought this message was about Amsterdam! sorry!) >> In my youth in London, I remember my parents calling it 'sparrow grass' - Legen has it that Babe Ruth spoke to the Queen of England (Elizabeth II) that he didn't eat Asparagus because it made his urine smell. This vegetable has some interesting verbal history. Well,...... interesting to some, perhaps. TD note - - - - - - With all the talk about Zlatko P. - - - - since he is currently working with TD on the road; does this mean that the comment from last year on this list, 'that he was asked to leave TD', was incorrect. It is difficult for me to imagine that he was first asked to leave TD, and then was asked to come back. It seems to be a bit thoughtless, if true, for all involved. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 4:29 pm Subject: Re:Spherical Harmonics Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Geetings All! Since I am acquainted with both the source of this tape and the 'producer', I can assure you with 100% accuracy that it is indeed New Haven. John, too, knows these sources very well indeed! Looks like you'll have to change your labels...; ) goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 3:37 pm Subject: Re: VH-1 Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >Really-From: Steven Feldman >VH-1 (yes, it *is* Video Hits One) might be on UK cable, but it is >owned and operated by the USA MTV. It is the 'adult contemporary' >branch of MTV. And, just like MTV, they heavily customize or localize contents to the country they are in. Here in Germany we have 'VH-1' Germany, and it has German VJs etc. I therefore assume that the Hamburg TD concert *might* be broadcast on VH-1 Germany, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will be shown in the UK as well...(or vice-versa, maybe it was the UK-team filming...?!??!) You can check 'http://www.vh1.com' (US/UK) and more specifically 'http://www.vh1.de' (Germany) to see if anything will come our way... Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 3:37 pm Subject: Re: Tour Questions/Backstage Remembrance Really-From: Sean Montgomery > The next time one of you lucky folks gets backstage to see the Froeses, > could you please ask either of them if they'll be gracing America with > their presence later this year? It would certainly save me mucho moolah, > as I won't have to pay someone to ship me all those concert-only releases. I assume a North American leg is probably *planned*, from the sounds of the 'busiest year you can imagine' intonations on the band webpage. Hopefully it'll happen, but I tend to be realistic about these things. Either way, I wouldn't count on getting the same tour merchandise here. In fact, if I had to speculate, I'd day that the Madchen cd was probably made specifically with a German audience in mind (because it was a 'hit' there). I wouldn't be surprised if we get a Streethawk disk instead. Or maybe I'm wrong again! Thanks to my TDNAN card (which I still have in a drawer somewhere), I was able to meet the band after their Toronto tour in 1988. I had received my membership package just a couple of days before the show! I spoke to Paul for a while, to kiss his butt, mostly. Edgar was being beseiged by the media, so I never spoke to him. I didn't even recognize Ralf. I saw them again in 92. That time, they came out front to meet a group of us who were waiting by the stage. Monica gave out signed photos. Zlatko was self-effacing, Linda was lovely but quiet, Jerome was friendly, Edgar seemed rushed. So I have never really spoken to The Man himself, although I did get to shake his hand (gently, of course). Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 4:23 pm Subject: Missing tracks Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Hi, all ! Please help me ! I´m a german dreamer collecting every music from TD expect bootleg live recordings. I travelled ´round europe (paris, london, amsterdam, berlin, munich) to complete my collection but the following soundtracks, tracks are still missing :-<. Rumpelstilchken, The Man Inside, Three O'Clock High (only TD tracks), Risky Business (1:50 No Future, 4:18 Guido The Killer Pimp, 3:51 Lana), Tatort (3:01 Katja, 2:37 Speed, 4:40 Daydream, 3:50 Moorland) 6:30 A Time For Heros, 8:03 Ultima Thule 1&2, 8:01 Warsaw In The Sun 1&2 (poland single). 5:58 Polish Dance (poland single). 4:55 Dolphin Smile. 1:53 The keep (Mid Theme). 2:20 Keep (End Theme). 2:42 Red Nights (End Theme Parts 1&2), 4:43 Nightmare City/City of Shadows, 1:48 The Soldier (Opening Theme), 2:22 Death Bite/Spasms (serpents theme), 0:19 Untitled Idol, 11:04 Overture (74), 3:27 Lost Tale (klem), 3:43 Quasar (TOB bonus) Hobo March (encore single), House of the Rising Sun, Time Steps, Galago If somebody owns it, please e-mail me O F F L I S T. I want to have copies on CD, CD-R or tape (TDK SA 90, no dolby nr). Yesterday I got some extra OASIS and Maedchen cd´s in hanover (an excellent concert !). You´ll get one of your choice for free (incl. shipping) if we can make a deal ! It´s not a trick it´s a serious offer :-| Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 4:49 pm Subject: Re: Spherical Harmonics = New Haven, CT '88 Really-From: 'Dave Lane' John Burek <72241.2313@C...> wrote: > [...]A soundboard recording supposedly ALSO exists of > Boston Somerville '88, perhaps that's the misunderstanding. > I have audience tapes of both the New `Haven and Boston > concerts (two different ones of New Haven, actually), [...] (There was no Boston show in '88; it was in Somerville ;^^) ) I was in the 3rd row for the Somerville appearance, and noticed a guy in the first row with a tape deck stuck in the back of his shirt, with mic cable leading up the back of his neck into his hat! I wonder if that was the source for your tape? --Dave Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2798 Livecast Sean Montgomery Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 10:30 pm Subject: Re: Re: TD-Digest #891 Really-From: anunes@m... STEPHEN_OTT@p... wrote: << In response to Tom Richmonds question about what music really 'grabs' some of us, how about this list, in addition to TD, of course. This is all some really good stuff: Software, Interface,Robert Schroeder, Patrick Kosmos, Rainer Bloss, Jean Michel Jarre, Vangelis, Mars Lasar, and Zazen. Does anybody else on here like any of these people besides me ? Steve >> Funny you mentioned 'Software', I've just got my first Software album last week, based on a recommendation from a friend whom I had introduced TD. Which 'Software' albums do you recommend to a TD fan? In adition to TD, my favorite artists are Vangelis, Jean Michel Jarre, Mike Oldfield, Patrick O'Hearn, Kraftwerk, Peru and Wavestar. Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 5:38 pm Subject: Oh My God!!!!!!!!!!1 Really-From: feldon@n... I am presently listening to the Tangerine Dream concert live. I am in Houston, Texas (USA) and it seems to be working perfectly. I'm supposed to be in school, but to hell with it! This is absolutely awesome, words can't describe, considering I've never been to a TD concert in my life! Morgan Marks feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2799 Re: Oh My God!!!!!!!!!!1 Dr. Alan Stocker Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 5:20 pm Subject: Livecast Really-From: Sean Montgomery Well! I've got a stream for the Livecast....and it's a pretty dammed constant feed, I must say! They seem to be playing Goblin's Club right now as pre-show entertainment... It works! Yahoo! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 6:10 pm Subject: Re: Oh My God!!!!!!!!!!1 Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) >Really-From: feldon@n... > > >I am presently listening to the Tangerine Dream concert live. > snip.... > >Morgan Marks >feldon@n... me too - in Leicester, UK this time - absolutely marvelous technology i'll reserve judgement on the music until later! Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 6:20 pm Subject: Anyone heard K. Kruger's stuff?? Really-From: dbrewer@a... I know that Klaus Kruger put out a couple of albums and then a compilation album. I like his drumming on Cyclone and Force Majeure (in all it's imperfectness!) and was curious about his solo stuff. What is it like? Thanks! Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 6:35 pm Subject: LiveCast '97 Really-From: feldon@n... A CD of Goblin's Club was playing until the concert started. I am recording this concert on tape in the US (through RealAudio). So it's going to sound awful, but at least I've got a recording. I'm also grabbing the still images they're sending (one every 5 minutes, geez the camera's far away from the stage!) First there was an announcement welcoming everyone and saying that this is a unique experience because it's being broadcast over the internet. >--Part1: >1. Waterborne (Oasis) The Webcast missed about a minute from the beginning of this. Someone turned down the transmit volume or something. Anyway, after this point the concert is running quite well. >? Flashflood (Oasis) >Phaedra >Stratosfear 1995 >Livemiles: San buena Ventura (Dream Roots) As I am posting this, the concert is just finishing San Buena Ventura. >Streethawk (Le Parc) >Silver Scale (Tangents) >Logos: Blue Part > >--Part2: >1. Drum Solo >? Lamb with Radar Eyes >Toward the evening star (Goblins Club) >Rising haul in silence (Goblins club) >Touchwood (just another remix) >Little Blonde in the park of attractions >? Dolls in the Shadow (Melrose) > >--Encores: >1. Das Maedchen auf der Treppe/White Eagle (remix) >2. Thief Yang And The Tangram Seal >3. Purple Haze (220 Volt) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 6:29 pm Subject: RE: Livecast Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Well! I've got a stream for the Livecast....and it's a pretty dammed >constant feed, I must say! They seem to be playing Goblin's Club right >now as pre-show entertainment... It works! Yahoo! I've got RealAudio installed, but I get an 'Error Occurred while Connecting to RealAudio server' message. :-( Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2809 Livecast Ryan Smith Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 2811 Re: Livecast Sean Montgomery Fri 4/18/1997 3 KB 2815 Re: Livecast feldon@n... Sat 4/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: 'Time Steps' and 'Galago'??? Really-From: Steven Feldman I've never heard of 'Time Steps' and 'Galago.' What's the deal on these? Are they TANGENTS left-overs, GOBLINS' CLUB outtakes, what? -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2804 Re: 'Time Steps' and 'Galago'??? Marcel Engels Fri 4/18/1997 3 KB 2869 Re: 'Time Steps' and 'Galago'??? Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB 2805 Re: 'Time Steps' and 'Galago'??? dbrewer@a... Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 2810 Re: 'Time Steps' and 'Galago'??? John Burek Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 2820 Re: 'Time Steps' and 'Galago'??? Jim Moore Sat 4/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 7:47 pm Subject: Re: 'Time Steps' and 'Galago'??? Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > I've never heard of 'Time Steps' and 'Galago.' What's the deal on > these? Are they TANGENTS left-overs, GOBLINS' CLUB outtakes, what? Timesteps is a track from Christopher Franke and Galago is a track from Johannes Schmoeling and they are both on the KLEM-CD2. The KLEM is a dutch association of electronic music. They have a magazine and each year they have a big festival. CD2 is released because of KLEMs 15th birthday and was released in 1994. On this CD are a lot of different artists and they all send in a unique, never heard before track. Contents: 1. Peter Mergener A little bit of something 8:53 2. Michael Garrison Glider 3:09 3. Klaus Schulze Vas Insigne Electionis 9:45 4. Steve Roach The Majestic Void 5:26 5. John Kerr Imminent Shadows II 7:10 6. Suzanne Ciani Princess with Orange Feet 3:33 7. Michel Huygen Madrid Oculto 9:46 8. John Dyson Rainforest Dawn 5:45 9. Johannes Schmoel. Galago 6:35 10. Patrick Kosmos Wolf 359 5:48 11. Chris Franke Timesteps 5:33 Total 71:33 1000 were made, I have 307. Don't know if they're still avaible. Some of them were old tracks and some newer. Marcel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2869 Re: 'Time Steps' and 'Galago'??? Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 8:00 pm Subject: Re: 'Time Steps' and 'Galago'??? Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Steven Feldman > > I've never heard of 'Time Steps' and 'Galago.' What's the deal on > these? Are they TANGENTS left-overs, GOBLINS' CLUB outtakes, what? > If I remember properly, these are solo tracks from C. Franke and J. Schmoelling, respectively, and are from the second KLEM CD. I don't think you can get this disc very easily, tho. Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 8:17 pm Subject: B**t busts article (not TD) Really-From: dbrewer@a... This doesn't apply to TD directly (as far as I know), but figure it should interest at least some folks here, who turn to illigitimate releases to satisfy TD cravings (I'm one as well). This was printed in a local record store 'zine a few days ago. (_Zia Zine_) LEGAL NEWS: NO MICKEY MOUSING AROUND FOR BOOTLEG MANUFACTURERS. First the Recording Industry of America busted big-time U.S. boot distributors last year; then last month the RIAA and the Feds pulled of a major sting involving alleged German and Italian manufacturers who were previously out of reach of U.S. copyright laws, sez Addicted to Noise. The bootmakers were lured to the States with, get this, free trips to Disneyland. 13 people from Labor of Love (the 'lost masters' company), Moonraker and Kiss the Stone where indicted on 40 counts of copyright violation and conspiracy. They face an unbelievable five to 35 years in prison for selling unothorized recordings of the (Grateful) Dead, Stevie Ray Vaughan, the Dave Matthews Band, Tori Amos, Van Halen and other artists. ATN calculated that the artists lost around $40 million from the two million CDs seized in the two busts. (Guess that still isn't enough to buy off all of Garcia's ex-wives, or Van Halen's ex-singers, eh?)... Hopefully, none of those companies are responsible for any TD titles. And to those that are, DON'T ACCEPT ANY FREE TRIPS TO DISNEYLAND!!! Isn't 'conspiracy' a little too harsh a charge?? Maybe if they did a crappy job on purpose it could be called that... Dave Brewer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2807 Re: B**t busts article (not TD) feldon@n... Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 2808 Re: B**t busts article (not TD) Dr. Alan Stocker Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 2856 Re: B**t busts article (not TD) PNaunton@a... Sun 4/20/1997 2 KB 2897 Re: B**t busts article (not TD) Plumer, Scott Mon 4/21/1997 3 KB 2915 Re: B**t busts article (not TD) Mark Filipak Tue 4/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 8:58 pm Subject: Re: B**t busts article (not TD) Really-From: feldon@n... I am recording 1. Das Maedchen auf der Treppe/White Eagle (remix) onto tape. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 9:30 pm Subject: Re: B**t busts article (not TD) Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) >Really-From: dbrewer@a... > >Hopefully, none of those companies are responsible for any TD titles. And >to those that are, DON'T ACCEPT ANY FREE TRIPS TO DISNEYLAND!!! Isn't >'conspiracy' a little too harsh a charge?? Maybe if they did a crappy job >on purpose it could be called that... > > Dave Brewer I better burn this tape I just did of Frankfurt then... oh no a knocking at the door - its Edgar and the boys! alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Livecast Really-From: Ryan Smith If anyone got any good pictures from the netcast, could you email me a few or post them to the mailing list. Thanks. Kaldari kaldari@c... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2811 Re: Livecast Sean Montgomery Fri 4/18/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: 'Time Steps' and 'Galago'??? Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Message text written by tadream mailing list > I've never heard of 'Time Steps' and 'Galago.' What's the deal on these? Are they TANGENTS left-overs, GOBLINS' CLUB outtakes, what?< Nah, they're not pure TD at all. These are actually solo member tracks that appear on the most recent KLEM compilation CD. 'Time Steps' is by Chris Franke (I think it's an outtake of some of his Babylon 5 material if I'm not mistaken) and 'Galago' is by Johannnes Schmoelling, and is a reworking of one of the tracks off his 'Songs No Words' CD. --JOhn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 9:59 pm Subject: Re: Livecast Really-From: Sean Montgomery > If anyone got any good pictures from the netcast, could you email me a > few or post them to the mailing list. Thanks. The pictures weren't that hot. I didn't bother to grab them as they came up. I do have a setlist though: (correct me if I'm wrong) SET ONE 1. Waterborne 2. Betrayal 3. Diamond Diary 4. New Track - from Oasis? 5. Sundance Kid 6. Silver Scale 7. Warsaw in the Sun 8. Exit 9. Stratosfear 1995 10. Dolphin Dance 11. Logos (Blue Part) 12. Le Parc (LA - Streehawk) 13. The Blue Bridge SET TWO 1. Weird Drum/Atmospheric Piece 2. New Track - Oasis? 3. 220 Volt 4. Firetongues 5. Girls on Broadway 6. Little Blond in the Park of Attractions (The Thai Dub) 7. Rising Haul in Silence 8. Lamb with radar Eyes 9. Touchwood (The Forest Mix) 10. Towards the Evening Star ENCORE ONE 1. Das Maedchen Auf Der Treppe 2. Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal ENCORE TWO 1. Purple Haze Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 6:10 am Subject: Live Cast Really-From: ajogon@m... I've just listened to the TD Live Cast on the 'net, from the very first minute till the end. I had no problems with the Real Audio player, though I am using a 28.800bps modem and an old 486 PC. The sound quality was not bad for a 28.8 mono transmission, similar to AM radio broadcast. However there was a little 50 Hz humming, fortunately only noticeable on the quiet parts. Did anyone else notice it? I think that with all this technology a simple 50 Hz humming could be easily avoided! Or was it on purpose, to ruin the tape recordings?! As for the concert itself, I enjoyed the music very much. It was the first live concert I ever listened to via Internet, and significantly it was a TD performance. 2 questions: which CD was played during the intermission? I couldn't identify it. Was it the Oasis soundtrack? Was it Edgar's voice at the end of the show, speaking both in German and in English? -- Antonio Nunes, in Madeira Island, but with hearings in Frankfurt! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2814 Re: Live Cast Sean Montgomery Sat 4/19/1997 3 KB 2816 Re: Live Cast feldon@n... Sat 4/19/1997 3 KB 2817 Re: Live Cast feldon@n... Sat 4/19/1997 2 KB 2860 Re: Live Cast PNaunton@a... Sun 4/20/1997 3 KB 2862 Re: Live Cast Jens Peschke Sun 4/20/1997 3 KB 2882 Re: Live Cast feldon@n... Mon 4/21/1997 3 KB 2883 Re: Live Cast anunes@m... Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB 2891 Re: Live Cast Dr. Alan Stocker Mon 4/21/1997 3 KB 2894 Re: Live Cast PNaunton@a... Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 6:01 pm Subject: naughty words Re: Phil Nauntons' comments regarding pissy language on the list. Phil, this is for you: (a friend sent this to me--I thot you all might enjoy it) >>>>The 'Car Talk' show (on NPR) with Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers have a >>>>feature called the 'Puzzler', and their most recent 'Puzzler' was about the >>>>Battle of Agincourt. The French, who were overwhelmingly favored to win the >>>>battle, threatened to cut a certain body part off of all captured English >>>>soldiers so that they could never fight again. The >>>>English won in a major upset and waved the body part in question at the >>>>French in defiance. The puzzler was: What was this body part? This is the >>>>answer submitted by a listener: >>>> >>>>Dear Click and Clack, >>>> >>>>Thank you for the Agincourt 'Puzzler', which clears up some profound >>>>questions >>>>of etymology, folklore and emotional symbolism. The body part which the >>>>French proposed to cut off of the English after defeating them was, of >>>>course, >>>>the middle finger, without which it was impossible to draw the renowned >>>>English longbow. >>>> >>>>This famous weapon was made of the native English yew tree, and so the act of >>>>drawing the longbow was known as 'plucking yew'. Thus, when the victorious >>>>English waved their middle fingers at the defeated French, they said, >>>>'See, we >>>>can still pluck yew! PLUCK YEW!' Over the years some 'folk >>>>etymologies' have >>>>grown up around this symbolic gesture. >>>>Since 'pluck yew' is rather difficult to say (like 'pleasant mother pheasant >>>>plucker', which is who you had to go to for the feathers used on the arrows), >>>>the difficult consonant cluster at the beginning has gradually changed to a >>>>labiodental fricative 'f', and thus the words often used in conjunction with >>>>the one-finger-salute are mistakenly thought to have something to do with an >>>>intimate encounter. >>>>It is also because of the pheasant feathers on the arrows that the symbolic >>>>gesture is known as 'giving the bird'. >>>> >>>>And yew all thought yew knew everything! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2828 Re: naughty words John Christian Sat 4/19/1997 2 KB 2859 Re: naughty words PNaunton@a... Sun 4/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 10:52 pm Subject: Re: Live Cast Really-From: Sean Montgomery > However there was a little 50 Hz humming, fortunately only noticeable on > the quiet parts. Did anyone else notice it? Yup, I noticed it too. Sort of like a low-intensity buzz. But once the show got underway, I didn't notice. The sound only dropped out two or three times, and only for a couple of seconds each time. > 2 questions: which CD was played during the intermission? I couldn't > identify it. Was it the Oasis soundtrack? Yes it was. > Was it Edgar's voice at the end of the show, speaking both in German and > in English? Again, yes. It was he! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 11:39 pm Subject: Re: Livecast Really-From: feldon@n... At 02:47 PM 4/18/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Ryan Smith > > >If anyone got any good pictures from the netcast, could you email me a >few or post them to the mailing list. Thanks. Whoa, I don't think binaries are kosher with the list. Also, the pictures are tiny and are taken at least 30 rows away from the stage. I got all of them and the only interesting one is a still of Jerome they threw in (sitting in a restaurant). Now I know why people are calling him JSB! Talk about needing a haircut! Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 11:44 pm Subject: Re: Live Cast Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:10 PM 4/18/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: ajogon@m... > > >I've just listened to the TD Live Cast on the 'net, from the very first >minute till the end. I had no problems with the Real Audio player, It was pretty spotty on my end. A little burst of white noise about ever 20-40 seconds and a few complete drop-outs. >However there was a little 50 Hz humming, fortunately only noticeable on >the quiet parts. Did anyone else notice it? I think that with all this >technology a simple 50 Hz humming could be easily avoided! Or was it on >purpose, to ruin the tape recordings?! I think this a function of the RealAudio recording. And although I made a tape of the livecast, I can't imagine it being in hot demand due to the quality. >As for the concert itself, I enjoyed the music very much. It was the >first live concert I ever listened to via Internet, and significantly it >was a TD performance. > >2 questions: which CD was played during the intermission? I couldn't >identify it. Was it the Oasis soundtrack? Yes. Actually, the announcer said 'from TD's latest album, so Oasis is definately it---keeping in mind that I haven't heard Oasis.' >Was it Edgar's voice at the end of the show, speaking both in German and >in English? Unknown. The White Eagle encore was tres interessant... Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 18, 1997 11:45 pm Subject: Re: Live Cast Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:10 PM 4/18/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: ajogon@m... > > >I've just listened to the TD Live Cast on the 'net, from the very first >minute till the end. I had no problems with the Real Audio player, >though I am using a 28.800bps modem and an old 486 PC. The sound quality >was not bad for a 28.8 mono transmission, similar to AM radio broadcast. Did anyone else miss the first minute of the concert? It sounded to me like someone accidentially turned the volume down on the transmission side... Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 12:05 am Subject: Tracklist for LiveCast Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! Just got back from work...: ) I was able to hear the entire first set uninterrupted. Unfortunately, work intruded during the second set. The only track I didn't get to hear at least part of was the Das Machden remix...which I _still_ haven't heard in any form longer than 2 secs.!! Here's the complete Set lists: SET 1: Waterborne Sorcerer Theme Diamond Diary (cool link) Sundance Kid Silver Scale (cool link) Warsaw in the Sun (cool link) Exit Stratosfear 94 Dolphin Dance (cool link) Logos 88 (cool link) Streehawk Blue Bridge SET 2: Drum solo Flash Flood 220 Volt (cool link) Firetongues Girls on Broadway Little Blond in the Park of Attractions (Thai Dub) Rising Haul in Silence (cool link-same as above!) Touchwood (the Forest Mix) Towards the Evening Star ENCORES 1: Das Maechden auf der Treppe (Rien ne va plus mix) Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal ENCORE 2: Purple Haze Boy, I wish I'd could've been there! goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2819 Re: Tracklist for LiveCast Sean Montgomery Sat 4/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 12:18 am Subject: Re: Tracklist for LiveCast Really-From: Sean Montgomery > The only track I didn't get to hear at least part of was the Das Machden > remix...which I _still_ haven't heard in any form longer than 2 secs.!! Well....hold on a sec....if you got the concert to work, you should still be able to tune into the broadcasts of 'Das Madchen' which the website is still running. I checked it out this afternoon to ensure that RealAudio was working for me. It's a great version, I must say. Much better than the somewhat haphazard 'Thief Yang'. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 1:59 am Subject: RE: 'Time Steps' and 'Galago'??? Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> > 'Time Steps' is by Chris Franke > (I think it's an outtake of some of his Babylon 5 material if I'm not mistaken) [Jim Moore] Some of the song is from Bab5, but the rest is new stuff (or unheard of stuff). Pretty cookin' tune, too! - jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 2:46 am Subject: Re: TD-Digest #891 Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) >Funny you mentioned 'Software', I've just got my first Software album >last >week, based on a recommendation from a friend whom I had introduced >TD. >Which 'Software' albums do you recommend to a TD fan? My favorites are the two Electronic Universe and two Electronic Meditation discs. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 5:11 am Subject: Re: TD-Digest #891 Really-From: Vic Rek >>Which 'Software' albums do you recommend to a TD fan? > >My favorites are the two Electronic Universe and two Electronic >Meditation discs. > I personally like 'Fragrance' since my buddy Klaus Schulze has contributed to this. I still can't wait until this summer to experience 25 CDs (full to the brim of course) of ecstacy!! By the way - where are these 'Das Madchen..' promo CDs that were mentioned on the TD site??? Somebody on this list HAS to know. Come on, 400 true fans, so let's give in a bit as to the source... Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 5:16 am Subject: Re: thoughts on Stratosfear...... Really-From: Mark Jones On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > The track that really strikes me is track 3: 3 am At The Border Of The > Marsh From Okefenokee.. > I think it has a very interesting build-up; it starts almost like an > count down, then ŤThe Big, Bad and Ugly Soundť fades in...it actully > scares me...you can feel something TERRIBLE and CRUEL is happening, and > when the sound reach hysteria, it fades out. But even then the music > remains dramatic for a while, before the elements harmonise and a > beatifull flute starts playing...it feels like a big relief when the > song settles down after such a dramatic ragnarok... > > Perhaps you dont understand what Im talking about, but that is my > thougths and feelings when hearing that track. Its very emotional, and > very difficult to describe.Perhaps Im all mistaken?? I don't think one can be mistaken by describing what one feels. Clearly, this album resonated on an emotional level for you. That's a good thing. Personally, my favorite track is 'The Big Sleep in Search of Hades:' the phrase that keeps leaping into my mind as I keep trying to NOT write a review of Tangerine Dream is that 'This piece demonstrates the lunatic charm as well as clever intricacy of Tangerine Dream.' What I mean is that 'The Big Sleep ... ' is unlike TD in one respect, which is that for at least a few minutes, harmony and melody are clearly defined and distinct ... just long enough for me to get comfortable with the whole arrangment. And then the disharmonious choir washes over this tidy structure, and we're back to odd phrases, indistinct time signatures, and intertwining of musical structures back and forth until the reprise. That's how it works on an intellectual level for me. Emotionally, of course, it's somewhat disorienting for me. I'm not feeling any one thing or another, but I am certain that each time I listen to the piece, there's a shift in my perception from trying to view the world as right in its own way, regardless of how I myself am getting along in it, to the world as well as me being caught up in a tangled, undefinable mess, and we're stuck together and nothing will ever move, nothing will ever change ... and then the 'mess' cleans itself up and I can breathe again. Not so much out of relief that everything's hunky-dory again, but because Tangerine Dream understands how things change. And I have to admire a group that can and still does put their philosophy into practice in the small as well as the large pieces. That's all, I'm done. Mark J. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 5:26 am Subject: Re: Stratosfear Really-From: Mark Jones > > For anyone else out there... what particular music, TD or otherwise, > > reaches out and grabs you as strongly as Stratosfear did Alexander and > > I. I'd like to hear about it. (I'd also like to buy some of it, but > > that's another story, severely limited by budget constraints - the > > family likes to eat and all that.) > > Bach's Solo Partitas for Violin (esp. #2), Mendelsohnn's Violin Concerto in E-minor (there's a trend here, I guess); the last 2-3' of Tangram Set 2 in particular as well as the whole album, Pat Metheny's 'San Lorenzo,' Pink Floyd's 'Obscured by Clouds,' Mark Isham's 'Film Music,' 'Stuntman' by Edgar 'Popping Wheelies on the Moog' Froese, Ponty's 'Chopin Prelude #20 with Violin Improv,' Schubert's 'Unfinished,' Beethoven's 'Eroica,' k.d. lang's 'Ingenue,' and Grahame somebody-or-another who does film soundtracks particularly 'Basketball Diaries.' Hope this helps ... Mark J. > > > -- Mark ********************************** Mark 'Illegitimus non carborundum.' mjones@j... ********************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: TD singles, new and old Really-From: Ryan Smith >From the TD home page: >Das Mädchen auf der Treppe 97 (Remix) >There will be 1000 copies of a remix of the one and only radio hit >single TD ever had, done by the Tangs themselves. This one will not go >on sale - so may some of you will find a way to get hold on a copy. Does anyone know what this means exactly? Is it being distributed only at the concerts or something? Basically, how can I get a copy?? Also, does anyone know how I could get a hold of the Ultima Thule single from way back when? Kaldari kaldari@c... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 6:22 am Subject: Re: Stratosfear Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Mark Jones > > ... 'Popping Wheelies on the Moog' Froese ... Are you kidding Mark (or checking to see if people really read what you post)... What's this? ;-) Cheers -- Mark F. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2834 Re: Stratosfear Mark Jones Sat 4/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 6:28 am Subject: Das Mädchen auf der Treppe 97 (Remix) Really-From: Brian Frick Greetings, all!! Would someone be willing to get me a copy of the CD with the Das Mädchen auf der Treppe 97 (Remix) on it? I will offer $$$$$ or something in return. Thanks. -- Later! -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2836 Re: Das Mädchen auf der Treppe 97 Mark Filipak Sun 4/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 8:49 am Subject: Re: naughty words Really-From: John Christian What no 'really-from'? Anyway someone said... [long thing about 'the bird'] Odd how that's become americanised. The origin of the gesture is real, but it refers the english V-sign (first 2 fingers up, knuckles out) as you use those 2 fingers to draw a bow (mind you I expect losing either would have done, it was just a matter of principle)... The middle digit salute is pretty unkown here, or at least it was until American TV. ObTD: No sorry, we've alreay said everything ;) John -- John Christian - mail:john@p... AirSculpture Try out WebMaze at From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 3:10 pm Subject: Re: LOudness Really-From: SYensen@a... In a message dated 17/04/97 02:00:36, you write: << Within the last few months I have noticed a constant ringing in my ears, which is always there but only noticeable when things get quiet >> It's called TINNITUS, something I'm suffering from (I used to be a part-time DJ in my college days. Headphones make the problem worse. You will be surprised to know levels of up to 110 dB plus can be reached - before you notice how loud it is! The inner ear ones are worst of all. Steve. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 3:10 pm Subject: Re: TD-Digest #891 Really-From: SYensen@a... In a message dated 17/04/97 05:14:27, you write: << Jean Michel Jarre, Vangelis >> Excellent! Add to that, Steve Hackett did some wierd and wonderful stuff in his early years (c. 1976) A friend of mine actually recorded some stuff from the 'concert in Bradford c 1973 and the 'Stratosfear' concert in Nottingham 1976. Bits of 'Stratosfear' were mixed up in the Nottingham concert in 1986 I noticed. I have programs from both the Nottingham concerts if any serious collector would like them. They are not in mint condition, however. Steve. Nottingham UK. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 3:11 pm Subject: Re: talk during concert Really-From: SYensen@a... In a message dated 18/04/97 05:18:18, you write: << I guess Steve Jolliffe ranting and raving a lot of unintelligible nonsense in 1978 doesn't count either..... >> Nobody seems to like Cyclone, do they? Steve Yensen, Nottingham UK From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 3:11 pm Subject: Re: TD-Digest #891 Really-From: SYensen@a... In a message dated 17/04/97 22:07:41, you write: << By vangelis I dont like his niewer stuff. Albedo 0.39 is a classic, as well as other fine works such as Antarctica, Heven and Hell, Blade Runner soundtrack... >> 'Soil Festivities' is a good one too. Steve. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 4:35 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #892 Really-From: Chemde@a... In a message dated 97-04-17 04:00:45 EDT, you write: << From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:31:47 Subject: too bloody loud Really-From: Michael Fox >I was beginning to >believe that my complaints about obscenely loud music placed me in a >minority of one.<<< I have done a lot of live mixing over the yrs both mains and monitor mixes and when doing the mains have always used a db meter to monitor levels. I, too, agree I don't understand why a show runs 125-138 db. I get tired of having my ears ring for 2 days after a show. I worked a show some yrs back that featured Heart and their mngr told me in no uncertain terms not to let the level get below 128db! What with Pete Townsend and others talking about the problem I am mystified why bands continue to 'make those ears bleed'. Mike PS But I did always get a kick out of some idiot sitting in a bass bin for the show! >> Yes, I too don't understand why concerts are so loud. (This does have some TD content!!). I have been to a few concerts locally and the volume has been almost painful. I don't understand it either, because how is a person to enjoy the music if it is too darn loud to enjoy? Not only that, but because everything is so loud, the vocals are totally distorted and unrecognizeable. For the most part, I just refuse to go to any more concerts like this because of my past experience with loud volumes. On the flip side, you have electronic music concerts !! The Optical Race TD tour back in 1988 had perfect volume at Radio City Music Hall in NYC. I have been to many local electronic music concerts in the past (back in the early to mid 80's) and the volumes were absolutely comfortable and you could just relax and enjoy every note of music !! Now why can't rock concerts be more like electronic music concerts???!!! --Dan (CHEMDE) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 9:37 pm Subject: Re: Stratosfear Really-From: Mark Jones On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > ... 'Popping Wheelies on the Moog' Froese ... > > Are you kidding Mark (or checking to see if people really read what you > post)... What's this? ;-) Not kidding, just was tired when I wrote it and didn't stop to think about it. Apologies, Mark J. > -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 9:46 pm Subject: I'm back Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! I'm back from Boston, and out from under 1500+ messages! I'll still be mostly lurking for the immediate future, however. Any ongoing deals will continue uninterrupted, of course. And I will try to have the next FAQ/Contest ready at the beginning of May. And I will answer any and all personal mail. Boy, I wish I was in Europe right now! ; ) goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5547 I'm back Lars R. Jones Tue 7/1/1997 2 KB 5551 Re: I'm back Mark Filipak Tue 7/1/1997 2 KB 27523 I'm back Heiko Heerssen Wed 7/4/2001 2 KB 27525 Re: I'm back Alan Benson Thu 7/5/2001 4 KB 27528 Re: I'm back Heiko Heerssen Thu 7/5/2001 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 10:17 pm Subject: Re: Das Mädchen auf der Treppe 97 (Remix) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Brian Frick > > Would someone be willing to get me a copy of the CD with the Das > Mädchen auf der Treppe 97 (Remix) on it? Hi Brian and Everyone Else. The best that I've been able to figure out is that there's two releases. I'm hoping there will be more posts on these so I can sort it out and also get the release numbers, etc. Hope this helps you figure out what it is that you want. -- Mark DAS MADCHEN AUF DER TREPPE (97 Remix) [Feb 1997] - EF/JF 1- Das Madchen auf der Treppe (Rien Ne Va Plus - Radio Edit) [4:06] 2- Das Madchen auf der Treppe (Rien Ne Va Plus - Long Version) [6:55] 3- Das Madchen auf der Treppe [3.50] (original ver; SBM remastered) Limited edition of 1000. 1-12' Tracks: Side 1: ? / Side 2: ? [1997] ???... (??) ???... 1-CD [1997] Virgin (DE) ???... (promo) (EURO-TOUR 97) [Feb 1997] - EF/JF 1- Das Madchen auf der Treppe (Rien Ne Va Plus - Radio Edit) [4:06] 2- Das Madchen auf der Treppe (Rien Ne Va Plus - Long Version) [6:55] 3- Order of the Ginger Gild [9:05] Limited edition of ????. 1-CD [1997] ???... (??) ???... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 3:31 am Subject: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) Really-From: Gabe Yedid ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 19 Apr 97 23:29:39 -0500 From: gyedid@P... To: gabe@c... Subject: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows Hey all, My exams are all over now, so I can get back to the discussions on a more regular basis. I've noticed that this 'type' of show, on the current tour, marks a kind of 'first' for TD. In the past, their shows were always most reflective of what they were doing at the time. Either it was improv in their preferred style of the day, or, if it was studio music, it was all from the most recent album (or 2). Even the 1992 tour was 'special' in that 60% of the material was new, composed for the tour. But with this tour, this marks the first time that TD has demonstrated such a heavy reliance on their older pieces, devoting a full set to the more 'vintage' stuff (even if some of it is updated, Strato '95 being the most extreme example). They've never done this before, so far as I know. However, this kind of thing is characteristic of Pink Floyd, who rest VERY heavily on their previous laurels (repeating all of _Dark Side of the Moon_ on _Pulse_???). While it's probably true that TD won't be letting out huge pig-shaped balloons in stadiums soon, I wonder if this is a sign that they will be increasingly taking the route of past glory, too. What brought about this sudden shift in tour philosophy? However, most people seem not to mind these vintage sets, it seems... To the tour people: how do the new versions of the vintage tracks sound, anyway? Gabe who can't use Real Audio :( Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2838 Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) feldon@n... Sun 4/20/1997 4 KB 2861 Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) Gabe Yedid Sun 4/20/1997 4 KB 2864 Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) Sean Montgomery Sun 4/20/1997 3 KB 2870 Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) Gabe Yedid Mon 4/21/1997 3 KB 2875 Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) feldon@n... Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB 2889 Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) MCINTYRE@p... Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB 2946 Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) Plumer, Scott Tue 4/22/1997 3 KB 3004 Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) Gabe Yedid Thu 4/24/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 4:41 am Subject: Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:31 PM 4/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Gabe Yedid >I've noticed that this 'type' of show, on the current tour, marks a kind of >'first' for TD. > >In the past, their shows were always most reflective of what they were doing at >the time. >But with this tour, this marks the first time that TD has demonstrated such a >heavy reliance on their older pieces, devoting a full set to the more 'vintage' >stuff I agree that they are definately putting lots of vintage stuff in their concerts this time around. This is not to say they've never done this. They've often played tracks from a few years hence during live tours. Stratosfear-Piano Solo played during Encore '77 White Eagle played during Logos 1st 3 minutes of Tangent played during Logos and then extended to 20 minutes for the Poland concert. Actually, I thought that Phaedra and Logos Blue (index 19:30-24:50) being played in 1988 was the most they would ever go back in time. Didn't Edgar state in the Tangents project that he was not completely thrilled with sifting through old material because he's the kind of guy who wants to develop forward musically and not look back too much? Of course, that's kind of a moot point considering the releases of Tangents, Dream Roots, Dream Mixes, and the current 1997 concerts... I hope that Edgar and Co. will have the privelege of spending some time in a studio and composing some new tracks... >To the tour people: how do the new versions of the vintage tracks sound, >anyway? >who can't use Real Audio :( Having listened to the whole concert, they didn't seem to do a major job to the older stuff---not too much more than what they did during the 1988 tour. They mixed a lot of it together. Even though I consider myself a die-hard TD fan, I got lost when they were playing some times. Three major differences as far as the vintage set: They added lots of different sounds on top of the original sound (essentially a MIDI file). Zlatko desperately attempting to play Edgar's guitar sequence in Firetongues. I recorded this with RealAudio---didn't realize how good a guitar player Edgar was until I heard this! Unless I'm mistaken, Edgar seemed to be playing with an E-ball. I wasn't there and the pictures they sent were 30 rows away from the stage but there sounded like lots of random sounds during several bits Morgan feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2861 Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) Gabe Yedid Sun 4/20/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 4:55 am Subject: TD Live Vintage Stuff Really-From: feldon@n... I wrote: >Having listened to the whole concert, they didn't seem to do a major job >to the older stuff---not too much more than what they did during the 1988 >tour. They mixed a lot of it together. Even though I consider myself a >die-hard TD fan, I got lost when they were playing some times. Actually, I think the verdict is out on just how to interpret what they did to the vintage stuff. I will say that you can't confuse what they played with what was released on the original albums. There are differences, especially the switching out of different samples on synth tracks. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 6:50 am Subject: TDUSTOUR97 NEW ALBUM BRUSSELS 4/19/97 Really-From: van hove Hi Fans First the good news, yesterday before the concert of TD in Brussels I had a talk with Edgar and Monica. Jerome was shopping in Brussels and bought some Star Wars meoribilia, he is a collector. They will tour the USA in november, and the tour will takes 1 month. In july/august they will record a new album in Vienna..with all new stuff, no remixes. The concert in Brussels was good, reaction of public was better than in Germany The drummer is great, he give all the dynamite. I still have my doubts about Edgar and Jerom if they are playing live.. I think Cubase is running oké, and with the set of the stage you can not exactly see which melody lines they are playing...strange..even on the balcony in, Bonn it was not possible to see when they play the melody..In Brussels I was standing 10 foot from Edgar and Jerome...and it was still not possible to see when they were playing life. Best Wishes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2842 Re: TDUSTOUR97 NEW ALBUM BRUSSELS 4/19/97 gary.cresswell1@v... Sun 4/20/1997 2 KB 2852 Re: TDUSTOUR97 NEW ALBUM BRUSSELS 4/19/97 van hove Sun 4/20/1997 3 KB 2853 Re: TDUSTOUR97 NEW ALBUM BRUSSELS 4/19/97 feldon@n... Sun 4/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 9:23 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #895 Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' Hey, I love Cyclone, it was my first exposure to TD and I'll always love it. Maxwell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2843 Re: tadream-digest V15 #895 gary.cresswell1@v... Sun 4/20/1997 2 KB 2850 Re: tadream-digest V15 #895 Kenneth W. Beal Sun 4/20/1997 2 KB 2874 tadream-digest V15 #895 STEPHEN M OTT Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB 3109 Re: tadream-digest V15 #895 SYensen@a... Sat 4/26/1997 2 KB 3120 Re: tadream-digest V15 #895 Dennis Nigbur Sat 4/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 5:31 pm Subject: Re: TDUSTOUR97 NEW ALBUM BRUSSELS 4/19/97 Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: van hove > > Hi Fans > > First the good news, yesterday before the concert of TD in Brussels I had a > talk with Edgar and Monica. Jerome was shopping in Brussels and bought some > Star Wars > meoribilia, he is a collector. > They will tour the USA in november, and the tour will takes 1 month. > Has anyone got any good news for us in the UK ref touring or have we some how offended Edgar & Co :-( gaza From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 5:37 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #895 Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' > > Hey, > I love Cyclone, it was my first exposure to TD and I'll always love > it. > Maxwell Must admit I quite like it especially, Bent Cold Sidewalk. Interestingly it was my first TD album and therefore I was not so affected by the shock of vocals on a TD album. any one know what the voice synth is saying at the start of Bent cold sidewalk, I can work out some of it but not all. Gaza From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 10:24 am Subject: Re: Das Mädchen auf der Treppe 97 (Remix) Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Hi, all >Hi Brian and Everyone Else. The best that I've been able to figure out >is that there's two releases. I'm hoping there will be more posts on >these so I can sort it out and also get the release numbers, etc. Hope >this helps you figure out what it is that you want. -- Mark here is the complete data for the 'The limited world tour edition 1997 CD' 1- Maedchen on the stairs (Rien ne va plus - sunset radio mix) [4:08] (Froese/Schmoelling/Franke) 2- Maedchen on the stairs (Rien ne va plus - sunset club mix) [6:55] (Froese/Schmoelling/Franke) 3- Order of the ginger gild [9:04] (Froese/Froese) Produced by Edgar & Jerome Froese Recorded March 1997 at Eastgate Studios, Berlin Engineered by Edgar & Jerome Froese All material has been exclusively performed by Edgar & Jerome Froese Mastered on DQC by Jerome Froese Label Consultant: Rob Ayling This CD is limited edition specifically designed and recorded in connection with the Tangerine Dream wordwide live performances during 1997. These tracks may appear on future Tangerine Dream albums. Limited edition of 5000. TDI Music International 1997 TDI005CD. Greatings from hanover Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 11:20 am Subject: Eat more fruit Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' To stay healthy, eat Oranges from France! They are ready to be picked, do it quick otherwise you cannot taste them anymore! Marcel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3108 Re: Eat more fruit SYensen@a... Sat 4/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 12:28 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #895 (TDUSTOUR97 NEW ALBUM BRUSSELS 4/19/97) Really-From: Gary Struhlik At 02:07 20.04.97 -0500, you wrote: >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 08:50:36 +0200 (MET DST) >Subject: TDUSTOUR97 NEW ALBUM BRUSSELS 4/19/97 > >Really-From: van hove > >Hi Fans > >First the good news, yesterday before the concert of TD in Brussels I had a >talk with Edgar and Monica. Jerome was shopping in Brussels and bought some >Star Wars >meoribilia, he is a collector. >They will tour the USA in november, and the tour will takes 1 month. Very good for the fans in the USA ! >In july/august they will record a new album in Vienna..with all new stuff, >no remixes. > This is really a very interesting message. I hope it would be 'Oasis' like. I think the release will be come in september '97. In august/september the counter of TD's homepage will increase because most of the fans will be up to date. >The concert in Brussels was good, reaction of public was better than in= > Germany The German audience is not so impulsive like other nations. During the Berlin concert the fans were very concentrated like EF. >The drummer is great, he give all the dynamite. Yes he was very good (I remember to the first track of the second part of the concert). I saw him in Berlin at the HdK 04/16/97. Gary S. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 12:28 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #894 (Live Cast) Really-From: Gary Struhlik At 02:02 19.04.97 -0500, you wrote: >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 23:10:08 -0700 >Subject: Live Cast > >Really-From: ajogon@m... >2 questions: which CD was played during the intermission? I couldn't >identify it. Was it the Oasis soundtrack? Yes, they played 'Oasis'. >Was it Edgar's voice at the end of the show, speaking both in German and >in English? Yes, it was EF's voice. Gary S. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 12:37 pm Subject: Brussels concert Really-From: Tom Coppens Hi everyone !! just back from the TD concert in Brussels. I was there with Jason Hopkins and Paul Hanson (Hi JAson, Hi Paul :-)) )from Voyager Magazine and I had arranged backstage and photopasses for the three of us. I'm going to write an article for KLEM magazine on the concert right now, but here's some information for the list first. The Cd-single seems to be going fast, and I suspect that it might be sold out before the end of the tour (if they're selling in the order printed on the CDs). It was an absolutely stunning concert !! The drummer's amazing, Zlatco's guitar play is excellent and the entire band seems to be on the same wavelength now. Edgar told us after the show that they were now more at ease as a band (which explains the little problems we heard about from the first concerts). About the visuals: first set features mostly nice light effects, the second part uses the video projector. The set is a bit similar to the Shepherd's Bush concert, but it sounded more convincing, more assured. For anyone who doubted it, this tour proves that TD are still the top EM band around and should convince all the I-want-TD-to-be-more-like-their-70's-albums-people to open up their eyes and see that TD are even more alive today then years ago. Sound quality in the AB was very good, and the crowd was also quite lively, a bit more than fifty percent people around 30-40+ years and the rest in their twenties I think, everyone was enjoying themselves ! Some of the older fans burst out in spontaneous laughter when they played Purple Haze :-) . that's all for now, waves ~~~~ PS: Edgar was very pleased with all the positive responses from the american (and other of course) fans on the TD-guestbook !! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 1:34 pm Subject: Wait a minute: TD US tour :only POSSIBILITY !! Really-From: Tom Coppens Subject: TDUSTOUR97 NEW ALBUM BRUSSELS 4/19/97 Really-From: van hove Hi Fans First the good news, yesterday before the concert of TD in Brussels I had a talk with Edgar and Monica. Jerome was shopping in Brussels and bought some Star Wars meoribilia, he is a collector. They will tour the USA in november, and the tour will takes 1 month. In july/august they will record a new album in Vienna..with all new stuff, no remixes. Hello folks, as you could read in my last mail, I also had a chat with Edgar (together with Jason and Paul) and he asked us not to publicise any news about a possible US tour, lest some people get dissappointed !! Well, it seems the word is out, so I'll try to give some more concrete information. TD are HOPING to be on tour in the US this year, but dates that are not on the homepage are still in planning stages, so nothing's confirmed yet !! All the best, Tom PS: he did say he likes the American audiences ;-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 2:55 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #895 Really-From: 'Kenneth W. Beal' >Hey, >I love Cyclone, it was my first exposure to TD and I'll always love >it. >Maxwell Here! Here! It has always been one of my favs, even tho not my first exposure. Love the eccentricities of it all! :-)> Ken From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 3:19 pm Subject: Re: TD-Digest #891 Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-18 08:54:10 EDT, you write: << << Lataly, Jocelyn 'exposed' me to Michel Brook, and I find his CD 'Cobalt Blue' the best I've heard outside TD, lately. >> if u liked this one, check out 'live at the aquarium'...u wont regret it.... tom w np: augustus pablo - demo tapes >> Although I would agree that Michael Brook is good, and does good stuff, he doesn't hold a candle to really good Tangerine Dream. Mr. Brook's work is somewhat shallow in comparison; lacking the involvement and development of much of Tangerine Dream's work. This might be because he is one person, compared to a whole group. A guitar and automated synthesizer ensemble cannot possibly have the interactive qualities or complexities of a group of people interacting with _each_ _other_ and sequencers. I have listened to Mr. Brook off and on for years now, and his music, although interesting and breathtaking at times, has a degree of 'sameness' to it which makes it get 'old' quickly. Tangerine Dream, on the other hand, one can lsiten to hundreds of times (at least a good quantity of their work) and always find a fresh perspective to appreciate. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2857 Re: TD-Digest #891 PNaunton@a... Sun 4/20/1997 2 KB 2865 Re: TD-Digest #891 Sean Montgomery Sun 4/20/1997 3 KB 2887 Re: TD-Digest #891 TWeibre361@a... Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB 2910 Re: TD-Digest #891 Larry E Smith Tue 4/22/1997 2 KB 2923 Re: TD-Digest #891 Vic Rek Tue 4/22/1997 2 KB 2954 Re: TD-Digest #891 PNaunton@a... Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB 2997 Re: TD-Digest #891 TWeibre361@a... Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB 3076 Re: TD-Digest #891 Francisco Salgado C. Fri 4/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 3:22 pm Subject: Re: TDUSTOUR97 NEW ALBUM BRUSSELS 4/19/97 Really-From: van hove At 10:31 20-04-97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... > > >tadream mailing list wrote: >> >> Really-From: van hove >> >> Hi Fans >> >> First the good news, yesterday before the concert of TD in Brussels I had a >> talk with Edgar and Monica. Jerome was shopping in Brussels and bought some >> Star Wars >> meoribilia, he is a collector. >> They will tour the USA in november, and the tour will takes 1 month. >> > >Has anyone got any good news for us in the UK ref touring >or have we some how offended Edgar & Co :-( >gaza > >No there is no news at the moment for a UK tour. But maybe early next year, anyway you had Sheperd's Bush last year. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 3:36 pm Subject: Re: TDUSTOUR97 NEW ALBUM BRUSSELS 4/19/97 Really-From: feldon@n... At 08:50 AM 4/20/97 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: van hove > > >Hi Fans > >First the good news, yesterday before the concert of TD in Brussels I had a >talk with Edgar and Monica. Jerome was shopping in Brussels and bought some >Star Wars >meoribilia, he is a collector. No surprise there, he used a sample of Darth Vader saying 'the power of the Dark Side' on Dream Mixes 2CD. >They will tour the USA in november, and the tour will takes 1 month. I'm drooling. I don't care if I have to walk 200 miles, I'll be there! >In july/august they will record a new album in Vienna..with all new stuff, >no remixes. Awesome. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 4:50 pm Subject: Das Maechden auf der Treppe Really-From: feldon@n... I am assuming that the 'Das Maechden auf der Treppe' limited CD is in fact the White Eagle mix they are playing as their first encore for all shows during this tour... If this is the case, would anyone be willing to buy one for me? Morgan feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2863 Re: Das Maechden auf der Treppe van hove Sun 4/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 4:59 pm Subject: A Chris Frank TV composer; but not OUR Christopher Franke! Really-From: Elana who? I wonder if anyone has noticed this before... There is a documentary show on cable TLC (The Learning Channel) called 'The Operation' which shows true-life advanced surgical procedures from start to finish. It's facinating, but it's definitely not for anyone who faints at the sight of blood and/or the high-pitched whine-sound of surgical bone cutting-saws slicing holes into... well, I'll just spare the details for those who are eating their lunch while reading this. ;-) ANYWAY... at the end of the credits, there is noted: 'music by Chris Frank'. No 'e' in the name. Not OUR Chris, it seems! :) But I gotta wonder... who the heck is this 'Chris Frank' and where does he get off using something like the good name of our own Christopher Franke? Is this how he gets TV theme gigs, with this similarity? Is is deliberate? Or is it a major coincidence: that Chris Frank never knew about Chris Franke when he started using this name professionally, even though they both now do TV themes? Inquiring minds want to know! -Elana (Christopher Franke's second-most devoted fan! :) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2877 Re: A Chris Frank TV composer; but not OUR Christ PNaunton@a... Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 6:47 pm Subject: Re: B**t busts article (not TD) Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-18 16:25:47 EDT, you write: << ATN calculated that the artists lost around $40 million from the two million CDs seized in the two busts. (Guess that still isn't enough to buy off all of Garcia's ex-wives, or Van Halen's ex-singers, eh?)... >> Pardon my perspective here, but if the CDs ( 2,000,000 of them ) were seized, then the artists didn't loose $40,000,000. But then again, do the artists really get $20 for each CD that is released normally? Something doesn't compute here. This reeks of the 1oz bag of Marajuana, taken in this bust or that bust, which has a street value of $750,000. Or the 1.25oz bag of potato chips which has 'five servings' in it. Where do these people get these ficticious figures? Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 6:49 pm Subject: Re: TD-Digest #891 Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-19 11:16:02 EDT, you write: << << By vangelis I dont like his niewer stuff. Albedo 0.39 is a classic, as well as other fine works such as Antarctica, Heven and Hell, Blade Runner soundtrack... >> Although I don't completely agree with you above, I can hear what you are saying. I really like some of his more recent work, like 'Oceanic' or 'The City' or 'Voices', but occasionally my wife will hear me listening to some of these, and she will say. ' I thought you really hated this 'New Age' mush.' I guess i'm getting soft, or more forgiving. Maybe Yanni or Enya are next on my 'acceptable list'. Don't hold your breath, waiting. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 6:40 pm Subject: Playing Live... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Really-From: van hove >I still have my doubts about Edgar and Jerom if they are playing live.. >I think Cubase is running ok=E9, and with the set of the stage you can not= >exactly see which melody lines they are playing...strange..even on the >balcony in Bonn it was not possible to see when they play the melody.. >In Brussels I was standing Alot of people were grumbling at the Shepard's Bush concert : they too felt that Edgar and the gang were not playing everything that was heard. This was most noticeable in pieces like 'Steethawk' and the 'Ride the Ray' from 'Live Miles' where everyone was playing chords but who was playing the melody...Mmmm... < Running for cover for fear of red-hot flames... > Anyway, I've published some pictures of the acts appearing at the forthcoming EMMA festival at the Assembly Rooms in Derby, England on May 31st. The response to the page has been somewhat poor so far : please have a look. Please support live electronic music and the musicians that are performing. You'd miss us if we disappeared...perhaps. The address is as follows : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/emma.html Cheers David T-Bass : Electronic Music email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 6:49 pm Subject: Re: naughty words Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-18 21:56:42 EDT, you write: << PLUCK YEW!' >> Interesting slant. I believe, perhaps mistakenly, that the common British jesture for the altered term above is a reversed 'V' victory sign, with the palm and curled fingers turned toward the 'giver'. I did not become aquainted with the single diget version of the same until I came the the US. Am (was) I out of touch? I pulled my vehicle up behind another at a traffic light yesterday, and there on the license plate in front of me was 'CHUCK U'. Guess what came to mind? The ancient Romans, BTW, were said to cut off the big toes of their captives. This more or less hobbled them. It is apparently very difficult to even stand without the assistance of your major toes. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 6:49 pm Subject: Re: Live Cast Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-18 21:34:18 EDT, you write: << >I've just listened to the TD Live Cast on the 'net, from the very first >minute till the end. I had no problems with the Real Audio player, It was pretty spotty on my end. A little burst of white noise about ever 20-40 seconds and a few complete drop-outs. >> I have been reading this thread on and off, for the last couple of days, with subdued interest because I cannot imagine that the fidelity of this stuff is much to get excited about. But then I thought, 'What if . . . Can somebody give me an unbiased idea about the worth of this Live Cast in true Hi-Fi reference? A computer-freek-friend of mine got me all excited about the quality of audio he was able to download onto his system. When I went over to listen he played back this absolute dreck through these tiny little speakers attached to his Gateway system. He couldn't understand my lack of enthusiasm. In my opinion it was one level up from Edison's 'Mary Had A Little Lamb' from a hundred years ago, but then I have my own biases. My system is primarily Mark Levinson Audio and Meridian components. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 7:18 pm Subject: Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sat, 19 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: feldon@n... > > They've often played tracks from a few years hence during live tours. Yes, but never so much as this year! > Stratosfear-Piano Solo played during Encore '77 > White Eagle played during Logos > 1st 3 minutes of Tangent played during Logos and then > extended to 20 minutes for the Poland concert. But these are all examples of stuff from contemporary or most recent periods co-inciding. What I meant is that this is the first time they have mined the older material (i.e. over 5 years old, and older) so extensively for a current tour. > > Didn't Edgar state in the Tangents project that he was not completely > thrilled with sifting through old material because he's the kind of guy who > wants to develop forward musically and not look back too much? Yes, he did, didn't he? > Of course, that's kind of a moot point considering the releases of Tangents, > Dream Roots, Dream Mixes, and the current 1997 concerts... Unless he has now expanded that statement to mean 'as long as the old material evolves, too'. > I hope that Edgar and Co. will have the privelege of spending some time in a > studio and composing some new tracks... Amen, brother :) > >To the tour people: how do the new versions of the vintage tracks sound, > >anyway? > > >who can't use Real Audio :( > > Having listened to the whole concert, they didn't seem to do a major job to > the older stuff---not too much more than what they did during the 1988 tour. > They mixed a lot of it together. Even though I consider myself a die-hard TD > fan, I got lost when they were playing some times. > > Three major differences as far as the vintage set: > > They added lots of different sounds on top of the original sound > (essentially a MIDI file). Hm, they couldn't change it too much, could they? Sometimes in my head, I try to work out what some of the old pieces would sound like with the newer sounds. 'Exit' would sound pretty good done completely with some of the sounds from _ToB_ and _Dream Mixes_, as I imagine it! ;) > Zlatko desperately attempting to play Edgar's guitar sequence in > Firetongues. I recorded this with RealAudio---didn't realize how good a > guitar player Edgar was until I heard this! Um, Zlatko was indeed the guitar player on both the acoustic and electric guitar parts of 'Firetongues'. In fact, I don't know if the Froeses had anything to do with the acoustic part at all. On the album, at least, Zlatko handled the solo QUITE well! > Unless I'm mistaken, Edgar seemed to be playing with an E-ball. I wasn't > there and the pictures they sent were 30 rows away from the stage but there > sounded like lots of random sounds during several bits Hmm...no comment, I had no pics to see at all. > Morgan > feldon@n... > Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 9:23 pm Subject: Re: Live Cast Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Hi Phil and list, ---------- > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-04-18 21:34:18 EDT, you write: > > << >I've just listened to the TD Live Cast on the 'net, from the very first > >minute till the end. I had no problems with the Real Audio player, > > It was pretty spotty on my end. A little burst of white noise about ever > 20-40 seconds and a few complete drop-outs. >> > > I have been reading this thread on and off, for the last couple of > days, with subdued interest because I cannot imagine that the fidelity of > this stuff is much to get excited about. But then I thought, 'What if . > Can somebody give me an unbiased idea about the worth of this Live > Cast in true Hi-Fi reference? I´ve just two thoughts on it: 1 Data transfer rate: The maximal real audio data transfer rate is 3,6 KB/sec with a 28.800 baud modem, 7,2 (8) KB/sec with a 57.600 baud modem (64 Kbaud with ISDN). There is also some protocoll overhead (PPP and modem to modem communication). Asuming a constant communication between client and server the effectiv rate is about 95% of the maximal rate. The data transfer rate of the Audio CD signal is about 144 KB/sec. If compression is used a rate of 36 KB/sec (ca. MD) can produce good audio quality. 2 I listened to the real audio 'Maedchen' (28.800 baud modem) and the CD 'White eagle' on the same (PC-) audio system with a break of 10 seconds to compare the different versions. Although I was happy that it works IMO the real audio sound compares to a 10$ radio system. Who wants to hear TD (or other music) on a 10$ system ? Only fans ! But for those is real audio better than nothing. Phil, wait 5 years. > Then internet music maybe makes you :-> . > Jens PS: I use Harman/Kardon, Marantz and ALR(Speakers) with XLO Pro cables. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 9:38 pm Subject: Re: Das Maechden auf der Treppe Really-From: van hove At 11:50 20-04-97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: feldon@n... > > >I am assuming that the 'Das Maechden auf der Treppe' limited CD >is in fact the White Eagle mix they are playing as their first >encore for all shows during this tour... > >If this is the case, would anyone be willing to buy one for me? > >Morgan >feldon@n... > > >I can send you a copy on tape. Give me your adress and maybe we can swap it. The CD is MAGIC !!!!!! Reply me Karel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 9:35 pm Subject: Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) Really-From: Sean Montgomery I don't mind hearing 'vintage' material in a show at all. It's what most bands do, after all. You're bound to respond to a familiar piece of music in a concert setting. The only problem is when the pre-programming results in a totally note-for-note replaying of the original. I was glad to hear that the versions of Exit, Dolphin Dance and other songs played during the Livecast show were altered enough to make them interesting to hear. And...I really got a kick out of the drum n' ambience opening sequence of the second set. It was so different from the absolutely structured feel of, say, Tyranny. If this is an indication of where the band is going next, we're in for some nice surprises on the next album. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2870 Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) Gabe Yedid Mon 4/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 9:44 pm Subject: Re: TD-Digest #891 Really-From: Sean Montgomery > << << Lataly, Jocelyn 'exposed' me to Michel Brook, and I find his CD 'Cobalt > Blue' the best I've heard outside TD, lately. >> > > if u liked this one, check out 'live at the aquarium'...u wont regret it.... Live at the Aquarium consists primarilly of live interpretatons of Cobalt Blue songs. Another Brook album I got recently that is quite different but also satisfying is 'Sleeps with The Fishes' - a collaboration with Pieter Nooten. Beautiful songs, somewhere between David Sylvian and This Mortal Coil, wit Brooks infinite guitar floating up from time to time. > Although I would agree that Michael Brook is good, and does good > stuff, he doesn't hold a candle to really good Tangerine Dream. Mr. Brook's > work is somewhat shallow in comparison I can't agree with that statement. Brook is different than TD. He mines different musical ores. Although he uses keyboards, it's not electronic music. He works in atmospheres and textures moreso than melody. Cobalt Blue is his strongest album, and the most likely to appeal to TD fans, but I wouldn't compare them. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: USA tour rumours Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (peter stoeferle) >>>The next time one of you lucky folks gets backstage to see the Froeses, could you please ask either of them if they'll be gracing America with their presence later this year? Hello, TD do have the *idea* of touring the USA, if possible in late 1997, Edgar Froese said at the backstage meeting with subscribers of the 'Dream Collector' magazine after the concert in Stuttgart. (They have already had the idea of a North American tour in 1996...) But in fact, there are *no detailed plans* and *no contracts* about dates and venues as well as about the whole U.S. tour itself - so everything might get chancelled or delayed, even if there are some other rumours around on this Mailing List. Peter Stoeferle Dream Collector editor +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dream Collector magazine c/o Peter Stoeferle Jesuitengasse 16 86152 Augsburg Germany e-Mail: peter.stoeferle@t... Fax: +49 - 821 - 155 118 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 11:44 pm Subject: Quick A'dam Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Just a quick message before I go to bed. I knew a few people who taped the concert but they were caught. They really look for tapers. But I know one man who hasn't been caught, so.. Marcel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2872 Re: Quick A'dam Gabe Yedid Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 11:41 pm Subject: CONCERT A'DAM Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Just got back (2 hours ago) from the concert. And I just got to say GREAT. It was just great. It was the first time for me to see TD live and I liked it. The drummer was fantasic, man he must have been exhausted after the show. He also gave a few drumsolos. We went there early in case there weren't many CD-singles left but I got 2 Maedchen auf die Treppe singles and a T-shirt and a polo-shirt. There were already sold 3000 singles and I think this concert there were sold about 500, so there are still about a 1000 copies left. We saw Edgar outside with his wife, he was just walking in A'dam and he had his camera with him. He filmed the canals etc. He waved at us and then he also filmed us and then he started to talk to us. I gave him a little present, my CD and he said he would definitely listen to it. It was a very strange experience to stand next to him and talk to him. It was a very small concert hall and about 600 people were there. Everybody could see the stage very good and I was about 2 meters from the stage with Lars Jones. You could see everything. Loudness was OK, they managed to blow up one speaker, but it was repaired very quickly during the play. The crowd (including me) liked the concert very much and they applaused many times. At the end Edgar was actually smiling and he grabbed the mic and he said that this was a very special concert and that he would definitely come back to Amsterdam. I'll be waiting. For now I really must go to bed because I'm really tired and my head hurts just a little bit. Marcel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2873 Re: CONCERT A'DAM Gabe Yedid Mon 4/21/1997 3 KB 2876 Re: CONCERT A'DAM Mark Filipak Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 7:12 pm Subject: Re: 'Time Steps' and 'Galago'??? Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:47 PM 4/18/97 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > >1000 were made, I have 307. Don't know if they're still avaible. >Some of them were old tracks and some newer. > >Marcel Marcel, I hope you meant to say that you have #307, because IF you have 307 of the CDs, the thunder you are likely to hear is the footsteps of thousands of e-music fans about to break your door down to get a copy...:-) :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 12:58 am Subject: Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > > I don't mind hearing 'vintage' material in a show at all. It's what most > bands do, after all. You're bound to respond to a familiar piece of music > in a concert setting. The only problem is when the pre-programming > results in a totally note-for-note replaying of the original. I was glad > to hear that the versions of Exit, Dolphin Dance and other songs played > during the Livecast show were altered enough to make them interesting to > hear. Good. I'm happy to hear that there was indeed *some* difference--were the changes of the same nature as the versions on _Tangents_ or _Dream Roots_, but more extensive still? I mean, how much trouble would it be for TD to either sample or re-create those sounds on their new synthesizers? If the sound is the right one for the job, why change it just for change's sake? Not that I would mind hearing totally rescripted versions of old pieces (e.g. 'Beach Scene/Theme' with the 'ubiquitous Optical Race harpsichord' playing the keyboard lead, or the keyboard lead from 'Bride In Cold Tears' used in the melody of 'Exit') What I was getting at before was that, in PF's case, the performance of that old material pretty much forms the core of their shows. TD has never been like that, until now. > And...I really got a kick out of the drum n' ambience opening sequence of > the second set. It was so different from the absolutely structured feel > of, say, Tyranny. If this is an indication of where the band is going > next, we're in for some nice surprises on the next album. That depends if Emil Hachfeld is going to become a 'long-term' member... > > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR > http://www.topix.com/~sean > Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 1:09 am Subject: Concert reviews and additions to The 4th solution Really-From: Gabe Yedid All these concert reviews are enough to make me cry...I can't believe in this day and age I can't get to hear TD live! Even if the sound is like a $10 AM radio... Francisco, Mark F, Stephan B, if you're reading this, here's a suggestion for the CD tree: at this point, does it make sense to possibly try and put 'Maedchen '97' and 'Order of the Ginger G(u)ild' on CD #3, if they can be obtained easily? let me know what you think, Gabe who pines more than ever to hear his favourite band live From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 1:11 am Subject: Re: Quick A'dam Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > Just a quick message before I go to bed. > I knew a few people who taped the concert but > they were caught. They really look for tapers. > But I know one man who hasn't been caught, so.. > > Marcel Then I hope his tape turned out well! Considering the relaive lack of new material on this tour, I don't think the band will be releasing a live album concerning it (unless we are getting Livemiles Mk. II) Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 1:15 am Subject: Re: CONCERT A'DAM Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > Just got back (2 hours ago) from the concert. > And I just got to say GREAT. > It was just great. It was the first time for > me to see TD live and I liked it. > The drummer was fantasic, man he must > have been exhausted after the show. > He also gave a few drumsolos. This just begs the question in my mind: why, at this point, has TD gone back to using a live drummer for the...3rd time? (Schulze, Franke, Kruger) > We saw Edgar outside with his wife, he was > just walking in A'dam and he had his camera > with him. He filmed the canals etc. He waved at us > and then he also filmed us and then he started to talk > to us. I gave him a little present, my CD and he said > he would definitely listen to it. It was a very strange > experience to stand next to him and talk to him. Well, Marcel, if he REALLY likes it, he might sign you to TDI, or better, the next few TD albums will be Froese/Froese/Engels! ;) >Marcel Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 20, 1997 11:00 pm Subject: tadream-digest V15 #895 Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) To Dave Brewer, who wanted to know about Klaus Kruger's solo stuff; it reminds me of the old saying: There is no gravity, the planet sucks ! To Antonio Nunes, who wanted to know some good Software stuff: try Electronic Universe 2, Space Design - The Remix, Software Live, Fragrance - with Klaus Schultze, and Ten Years. In my opinion, These are the best, but Cave, and Phancyful Fire(by Peter Mergener & Micheal Weisser, who are Software), isn't bad either. Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 3:50 am Subject: Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) Really-From: feldon@n... At 03:18 PM 4/20/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > >>Morgan said: > > Zlatko desperately attempting to play Edgar's guitar sequence in >> Firetongues. I recorded this with RealAudio---didn't realize how good a >> guitar player Edgar was until I heard this! > >Um, Zlatko was indeed the guitar player on both the acoustic and electric >guitar parts of 'Firetongues'. In fact, I don't know if the Froeses had >anything to do with the acoustic part at all. On the album, at least, >Zlatko handled the solo QUITE well! I had always thought that Edgar had played this part on the album. Well, I guess the best way to describe Zlatko skipping half of the notes during the concert is 'abstracting' it... ;) Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 4:14 am Subject: Re: CONCERT A'DAM Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' [re: meeting Edgar] > > > > ... a very special concert and that he would definitely come back to > > Amsterdam ... > > Well, Marcel, if he REALLY likes it, he might sign you to TDI, or > better, the next few TD albums will be Froese/Froese/Engels! ;) YES !!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 4:14 am Subject: Re: A Chris Frank TV composer; but not OUR Christopher Franke! Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-20 13:04:45 EDT, you write: << Or is it a major coincidence: that Chris Frank never knew about Chris Franke when he started using this name professionally, even though they both now do TV themes? Inquiring minds want to know! -Elana (Christopher Franke's second-most devoted fan! :) >> Elana, Maybe it is his _name_. It is different, anyway; no 'e' at the end. There are probably dozens of Chris Frank's in every major city. It's not a really unusual name;-) One of my clients is Frank Christopher, to be perfectly franke. ?ż? BTW, who is the first-most devoted fan? ;-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 7:59 am Subject: Franke-fan devotion rating Really-From: Elana who? > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > Maybe it is his _name_. It is different, anyway; no 'e' at the > end. There are probably dozens of Chris Frank's in every major city. It's > not a really unusual name;-) Yeah, you are right... I just looked in my local city phone book, and there is a 'Christopher Frank' (no 'e') in there. Almost makes me wanna just ship this local Frank guy a Franke CD anonymously, just to make him wonder where the hell THAT came from. ;-) > -Elana > (Christopher Franke's second-most devoted fan! :) > BTW, who is the first-most devoted fan? ;-) His lovely lady, Dorte Lau. One of my proud ethics which I live by is that if I support an artist, I first give respect to the artist's significant other, because they are - and have been - there for the artist beyond any of us fans. That is to be honored. Dorte already knows my belief in this respect, which is very cool. :) Technically, actually, I am Chris Franke's THIRD-most devoted fan, behind Dorte and Chris' right-hand man Rudi, an excellent guy who has been helping out Chris as some sort of professional business assistant for over a decade now. Rudi is a very cool, significant, active person within the Franke universe. However, to get it right and saying 'third-most devoted fan' means I would have to explain both Dorte AND Rudi's roles in all this, and that just takes too flippin' long. ;-) Of course, then there's the ever-excellent Brad who has been doing a fantastic job holding the A&R fort over at Sonic Images' LA headquarters for years, who deserves a major *ton* of credit. And then there's (name?) oh rats, I forget his name, but he's in charge of Chris' operations over in Germany. And... and then there's... errrr.. oh never mind! -Elana (Chris Franke's somewhere-in-the-top-twenty most devoted fan! ;) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2958 Re: Franke-fan devotion rating PNaunton@a... Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB 2977 Re: Franke-fan devotion rating Klaus Beschorner Wed 4/23/1997 3 KB 3118 No TD Mail Matt Williams Sat 4/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 7:54 am Subject: Re: Bent Cold Sidewalk words. Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... > any one know what the voice synth is saying at the start of Bent cold > sidewalk, I can work out some of it but not all. All TD lyrics can be found on Dave Datta's FTP site. I had a lot of trouble trying to work out the vocoded speech, but someone somewhere managed it. Good work fella ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2953 Re: Bent Cold Sidewalk words. David Datta Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 8:42 am Subject: Timesteps etc./Maedchen Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > I hope you meant to say that you have #307, because IF you > have 307 of the CDs, the thunder you are likely to hear is > the footsteps of thousands of e-music fans about to break your > door down to get a copy...:-) :-) You're right Andrew, I must have said #307. Phew, I heard the fans coming already. This morning I checked both Maedchen on the stairs (german and english in one sentence) and one had #2921/5000 and the other had #4627/5000. This is very confusing. Now I can't exactly say how many copies are actually left. Marcel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2905 Re: Timesteps etc./Maedchen Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 4/22/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 1:23 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #892 Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-04-19 12:39:40 EDT, you write: << The Optical Race TD tour back in 1988 had perfect volume at Radio City Music Hall in NYC. >> u think so? i was sitting first row on the first balcony and i thought it sucked...the tape tells the story...btw, were u at the beacon in 86? now that was awesome sound...regards, tom w np: dub syndicate - live san francisco 1996 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 1:55 pm Subject: Re: Live Cast Really-From: feldon@n... At 02:49 PM 4/20/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > I have been reading this thread on and off, for the last couple of >days, with subdued interest because I cannot imagine that the fidelity of >this stuff is much to get excited about. But then I thought, 'What if . . . > Can somebody give me an unbiased idea about the worth of this Live >Cast in true Hi-Fi reference? You want the absolute truth? It is very noisy, high notes and low notes are both garbled, only the middle frequencies come out unscathed. And when there is a dropout (because the connection isn't coming through 100%), instead of just playing silence or trying to interpolate, it actually plays white noise. A true hi-fi person would absolutely hate it. It is the equivelant of a 3rd or 4th generation audio tape copy after being eaten by moths. Other than that, I loved it to death. Just from hearing the Livecast, I can say that Oasis is quite interesting. The stuff they played during intermission sounded better musically IMVHO than Goblin's Club. But maybe I'm just imagining things... Oasis is not a 4AS, but it didn't *seem* to sound as disjointed as Goblin's Club. Das From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 11:00 pm Subject: Re: Re: Live Cast Really-From: anunes@m... Phil Naunton wrote: << Can somebody give me an unbiased idea about the worth of this Live Cast in true Hi-Fi reference? >> As I said in my previous post, the sound quality of the Live Cast was similar to AM (medium wave) radio broadcast, thus no hi-fi at all. But the previous version of Real Audio (2.0) was much worse. In the TD Live Cast there was a couple of additional problems - a 50Hz buzz all over the transmission (only noticeable on quietest parts), and the initial problem with sound level tuning. And also the white noise dropouts, already mentioned on the list. Anyway I enjoyed the Cast. If you think on the overloaded internet connections, this happening was almost a miracle! Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 9:06 pm Subject: Re: Bonn concert report Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > Funny thing, though, people have complained bitterly >about Linda, and now the moment she is out along comes someone saying how >much they liked her! I predict that soon the list will be full of people >saying the new sound is c**p, why doesn't Edgar give us the good old stuff >with Linda. That's exactly what Jerome told me in Bonn. He said that when they started including saxophones, people didn't seem to be happy about it, and when they decided to stop working with saxes because they'd got the maximum out of them, people were nagging around about that they wanted Linda back...sometimes you just can't win. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2890 Re: Bonn concert report Sean Montgomery Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB 2893 Complaining Fans dbrewer@a... Mon 4/21/1997 4 KB 2919 Re: Bonn concert report Mark Filipak Tue 4/22/1997 3 KB 2955 Re: Bonn concert report PNaunton@a... Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 9:08 pm Subject: Re: Bonn concert Really-From: Dennis Nigbur Does anyone have the track listing of the Bonn concert?? Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2924 Bonn concert Armin Theissen Tue 4/22/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 9:02 pm Subject: Re: Bonn concert review Really-From: Dennis Nigbur I agree that the bass line was way too hard, and that's precisely what Edgar and Jerome thought, as they told me backstage after the concert. If you've seen Edgar talking to a technician while playing (and he did that three or four times during the concert), you can tell that he was a bit disappointed about the equalizing himself. Apparently, Edgar asked the technician to turn the bass down a bit, but that didn't seem to work. Zlatko did in fact appear a bit superfluous on stage, which is probably because the versions of the songs they played don't require guitars...fortunately, the days where they composed their music aiming to include guitars and saxophones just for the sake of it seem to be over. Zlatko's performance wasn't bad, but as he doesn't play another instrument, he looked completely bored when he didn't have a guitar part to play. In that context, I was quite surprised and maybe a tiny bit disappointed that Edgar didn't play the guitar. Surely, he'd have been less idle in the non-guitar bits... The drummer was really good, and I found it really refreshing to hear something to make a change from the odd sequencer po-rum-pumpum bits that can be heard on almost any of the Seattle years albums. I'd be delighted if he stayed in the band to record the forthcoming album. Overall, I don't think it was a bad concert at all. It's the first time I've seen them live, but I don't think I'd be less pleased if it hadn't. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 4:02 pm Subject: Re: TD-Digest #891 Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-04-20 11:26:40 EDT, you write: << Although I would agree that Michael Brook is good, and does good stuff, he doesn't hold a candle to really good Tangerine Dream. Mr. Brook's work is somewhat shallow in comparison; lacking the involvement and development of much of Tangerine Dream's work. >> i wouldnt necessarily compare him to td as a whole, but i would compare his guitar playing to froese's...and on that level, i dont think froese can hold a candle to brook...i would tend to agree that brook hasnt 'progressed' much, and that there is alot of 'sameness' 2 his work (see albino alligator)...but, as a master of the infinite guitar he is, imo, unequaled...btw, did u c the sylvian/fripp/brook tour? now there is a good vehicle for Brook.... tom w np: dub syndicate - live san francisco 1996 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 9:20 pm Subject: Re: What's Goblin Club like? Really-From: Dennis Nigbur >However and back to the point, I normally buy any TD album as soon as it >comes out but have broken the mould with Goblin's Club so would >appreciate any views on it. > >Is it a ground breaker in the way for example Optical Race was after the >Jive-electro period or does it follow on in the style of Tyranny of >Beauty? In my humble opinion, at least, it is. I didn't like Tyranny of Beauty at all, nor did i like Rockoon, with Turn of the Tides being boosted between these two...but GC is different from its predecessors in quite a lot of ways: - no saxophones - less frequent guitar parts - return to a somewhat gentler build-up into the pieces (e.g. Sad Merlin's Sunday, Rising Haul in Silence) - rather mysterious and thoughtful atmosphere (United Goblins Parade, Elf June and the Midnight Patrol) Overall, I must say that I really like GC, as it takes the vital step from mere instrumental masturbation to a more subtle ( in this case, almost sinister) approach to the music. Goblin's Club is not _just_ music, it really has something to say. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2952 Re: What's Goblin Club like? TangerineC@a... Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 4:15 pm Subject: RE: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) Really-From: MCINTYRE@p... >Really-From: Gabe Yedid >But with this tour, this marks the first time that TD has demonstrated such a >heavy reliance on their older pieces, devoting a full set to the more 'vintage' >stuff (even if some of it is updated, Strato '95 being the most extreme >example). They've never done this before, so far as I know. However, this kind >of thing is characteristic of Pink Floyd, who rest VERY heavily on their >previous laurels (repeating all of _Dark Side of the Moon_ on _Pulse_???). Actually, Pink Floyd was being innovative; it was the first time in 20 years that they'd played _Dark Side_ in its entirety. I assure you the fans loved it. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 4:04 pm Subject: Re: Bonn concert report Really-From: Sean Montgomery > That's exactly what Jerome told me in Bonn. He said that when they > started including saxophones, people didn't seem to be happy about it, > and when they decided to stop working with saxes because they'd got > the maximum out of them, people were nagging around about that they > wanted Linda back...sometimes you just can't win. I'd be happy to offer a dissenting opinion. Linda is a lovely and talent woman, but the sax had to go. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'There is no gravity...the planet sucks' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 4:07 pm Subject: Re: Re: Live Cast Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) >Really-From: anunes@m... > > >Phil Naunton wrote: > ><< Can somebody give me an unbiased idea about the worth of this Live Cast in >true Hi-Fi reference? >> > >As I said in my previous post, the sound quality of the Live Cast was similar >to AM (medium wave) radio broadcast, thus no hi-fi at all. Maybe better than am radio since there was no fading... and also better than a large number of the audience recorded b**ts that I've heard... At this stage in its development I don't think it is expected that the web can provide hi-fi quality output without paying a lot of money for it... >In the TD Live Cast there was a >couple of additional problems - a 50Hz buzz all over the transmission (only >noticeable on quietest parts) The 50 Hz seemed to occur only with the live link and not the interval or pre-concert music - presumably a problem with the feed at the concert rather than with Real Audio itself. As to the music.... overall I enjoyed the concert, some new variations on old material mixed in with the new stuff. Do I wish I had been there? Yes, certainly... and that I think is sufficient Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 5:08 pm Subject: Oasis Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >Other than that, I loved it to death. Just from hearing the Livecast, I can >say that Oasis is quite interesting. The stuff they played during >intermission sounded better musically IMVHO than Goblin's Club. But maybe >I'm just imagining things... Oasis is not a 4AS, but it didn't *seem* to >sound as disjointed as Goblin's Club. 100% agreed. I have listened to Oasis 4 times now, and it is a truely fantastic album. While there are probably no single oustanding tracks (like 'Towards the evening star' was on GC) the whole album holds together very well, stays in mostly one mood. And especially it doesn't jump around in ONE SINGLE TRACK, like GC does. There are fast tracks, slow tracks and even one *very slow* track, but it all blends together so well. This is the first TD album in about 11 years that manages to create mental images...dreams, and allows me to fully concentrate and enjoy the music without being juggled back and forth... Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2907 Oasis Rich Maggio Tue 4/22/1997 2 KB 2909 Re: Oasis feldon@n... Tue 4/22/1997 2 KB 3429 Oasis Hilmar Kraft Sun 5/4/1997 5 KB 3581 Re: Oasis Craig R. J. Cordrey Tue 5/6/1997 5 KB 3599 Re: Oasis TangerineC@a... Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB 4906 Oasis Phil Vendy Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4926 Re: Oasis Jens Peschke Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 5088 Re: Oasis Hilmar Kraft Tue 6/17/1997 2 KB 5098 Re: Oasis Sean Montgomery Tue 6/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 5:22 pm Subject: Complaining Fans Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Dennis Nigbur > > That's exactly what Jerome told me in Bonn. He said that when they > started including saxophones, people didn't seem to be happy about it, > and when they decided to stop working with saxes because they'd got > the maximum out of them, people were nagging around about that they > wanted Linda back...sometimes you just can't win. > And that's exactly why they don't take fans' grumblings about the style or sound or whatever that they play. If an artist spends his or her entire career jumping through hoops for the fans, you can bet it'll get tiring for them really fast. Besides, what's that saying about pleasing everyone all of the time? That ya can't do it. So don't even try. To me, the music should be for the artist first and foremost. If it turns out that others like it as well, then that's just the icing on the cake (if you pardon the cliche). So I always respect the turns and twists in TD's music, even if I may like some better than others. (still, I always find something I like in whatever style they play) And it is the diversity of styles that I like the best in TD's music. If anyone feels like flaming my viewpoints, please direct it to me off the list! BTW, I looove hearing all of these accounts of the Euro tour! Please keep it up. I hope that whenever they tour the USA again (and make a stop in Arizona, plug, plug :-) :-) ) and do their next album, I hope they keep this lineup, so that I may hear firsthand what they sound like. (it sounds like I'd really like it!) I'd especially like to see this new percussionist in action! (Emil Something-or-other?) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 6:43 pm Subject: Re: Live Cast Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-20 17:36:31 EDT, you write: << Phil, wait 5 years. > Then internet music maybe makes you :-> . > Jens >> I thought as much. Thank you for the reference information. Maybe by then ( five years ) I'll have a real computer instead of this silly laptop, and my sillier palmtop. In the mean time, though, Chris Franke - Babalon 5/II sounds really good with things just the way they are. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 6:46 pm Subject: ideas? Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' I just had an idea and maybe it's a silly one, but hé at least it's one. In September, when Tangerine Dream will celebrate its 30th anniversary, wouldn't it be great to give him something on behalf of this list. As a sort of thanks for all the great music. I was thinking of a CD (or 2CD) composed by musicians of this list (new tracks or ones that you like best) , something like the Network-tape but then on CD(R). Or is this just one of my crazy ideas? Suggestions? Marcel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2903 Re: ideas? feldon@n... Tue 4/22/1997 2 KB 2912 Re: ideas? Grant Middleton Tue 4/22/1997 3 KB 2914 Re: ideas? Dr. Alan Stocker Tue 4/22/1997 2 KB 2916 Re: ideas? Mark Filipak Tue 4/22/1997 3 KB 2936 Re: ideas? Mark Filipak Tue 4/22/1997 4 KB 2943 Re: ideas? Plumer, Scott Tue 4/22/1997 3 KB 2951 Re: ideas? TangerineC@a... Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB 2972 Re: ideas? PNaunton@a... Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB 2983 Re: ideas? Vic Rek Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 6:45 pm Subject: Re[2]: Bonn concert report Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: Sean Montgomery >I'd be happy to offer a dissenting opinion. Linda is a lovely and talent >woman, but the sax had to go. And I'd be happy to second it. The sax never really seemed to be used except in the slower tunes, and that limiting range eventually started to drive me bonkers (a short drive, to be certain). I won't miss it. Now if they had let her blow a little free jazz, that'd be something else again... So, whenever someone goes backstage to tell the Froeses that we enthustiastic North Americans are already warming up our vocal cords in anticipation of giving them a serious work-out if the boys should cross the Atlantic, you could also mention that there are people who are happy with this decision. Got all that? Maybe you should get a pen... Have a nice day (and I mean it), -B. Kirby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2911 Re: Re[2]: Bonn concert report Svein Berven Tue 4/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 7:45 pm Subject: Re: B**t busts article (not TD) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' ><< ATN calculated that the artists lost around $40 million from the > two million CDs seized in the two busts. (Guess that still isn't enough > to buy off all of Garcia's ex-wives, or Van Halen's ex-singers, eh?)... > >> > Pardon my perspective here, but if the CDs ( 2,000,000 of them ) >were seized, then the artists didn't loose $40,000,000. But then again, do >the artists really get $20 for each CD that is released normally? Something >doesn't compute here. This reeks of the 1oz bag of Marajuana, taken in this >bust or that bust, which has a street value of $750,000. Or the 1.25oz bag >of potato chips which has 'five servings' in it. >Where do these people get these ficticious figures? Here's the amount the artists actually lost from these b**tlegs: 0. That's right, zero. Artists don't _lose_ anything from b**ts. They're luming pirate albums with b**ts. They do lose money from pirated albums in that people might buy the pirates rather than the real thing. Who buys b**ots that doesn't buy the official product too? In some cases, b**ts may actually _help_ the artist: I got a live tape of Phish from a friend. I had never heard them before, but he said 'You gotta hear these guys!' I listened to the tape and like it so much I started buying their CD's. Otherwise, I would never have heard them and would never have bought their stuff. A b**t success story! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 5:08 pm Subject: Michael Brook Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >Really-From: Sean Montgomery >> if u liked this one, check out 'live at the aquarium'...u wont regret it.... >but also satisfying is 'Sleeps with The Fishes' - a collaboration with >Pieter Nooten. Beautiful songs, somewhere between David Sylvian and This >Mortal Coil, wit Brooks infinite guitar floating up from time to time. Yeah, that's a great album, and with Pieter Nooten of course being the man behin 'Xymox' a.k.a. 'Clan of Xymox' there are actually some interesting interpretations of 2 Xymox tracks on that album. My favorite of all his albums is still hist first, 'Hybrid', together with Daniel Lanois and Brian Eno. I actually saw him live in Hamburg once, where he appeared as a double feature with Roger Eno. To this date the most spacey and atmospheric concert i've ever been to. You can check out http://www.cinenet.net/users/catalyst/brook.html for more info on Michael Brook. Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: talk during concert Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >><< I guess Steve Jolliffe ranting and raving a lot of unintelligible nonsense >>in 1978 doesn't count either..... >> >>Nobody seems to like Cyclone, do they? >>Steve Yensen, >>Nottingham UK Actually, I rather like Cyclone--but what Steve Jolliffe was yelling about during the '78 TD tour and what passes for lyrics on Cyclone weren't the same thing. You can understand the lyrics on Cyclone if you try, but during the 1978 tour Jolliffe never actually 'sang' anything, at least on the fantapes I've heard--he just shouted, grunted, and chanted some mighty strange noises, stuff along the lines of 'Eaarf er blearrggh susss.' --John Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2901 Re: talk during concert Plumer, Scott Mon 4/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 5:08 pm Subject: European concerts Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > >To the tour people: how do the new versions of the vintage tracks sound, > >anyway? Depends...some are better, some are worse, some are similar, some are very different. I was disappointed with 'Logos', the incredible original has these sequences running into one another, and this effect (especially noticeable on LP/CD due to the good stereo separation) was totally absent in the live concerts. Also, it seems like the original versions from the 80s were able to obtain interesting effects due to the fact that they were played on analog synths. Now they either sampled these old sounds, or played them using different-sounding samples. And as Edgar himself once said in an interview: A sample is essentially a 'dead' sound, void of life, unbreathing etc. And so he deliberately 'killed' some of the music by using it in sampled form. On the other hand, the new Jerome-treatments (fast rythms, Dream Mixes-style etc.), the live drumming, and the overall new sound also added a lot of new life to these tracks... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 9:19 pm Subject: Re: talk during concert Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' << I guess Steve Jolliffe ranting and raving a lot of unintelligible nonsense in 1978 doesn't count either..... >> >Nobody seems to like Cyclone, do they? Cyclone notwithstanding, the two '78 shows I've heard (Thanks Vic & John!) are among TD's best. The '77 N. Am. tour was a little repetitious, as were their tours from '86 on, but in '78 they really outdid themselves. Both shows were really original, and very rockin'. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Jumping Around in One Single Track Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Oasis >Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:08:39 -0400 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > >[...] I have listened to Oasis 4 times now, and it is a truely >fantastic album. [...] And especially it doesn't jump around in >ONE SINGLE TRACK, like GC does. Ah! Yes! This 'jumping around in one single track' is precisely what irked me first in TYRANNY OF BEAUTY and now in GOBLINS' CLUB: the tracks are 'all over the place.' I think I know, now, why 'Eleanor Rigby' was covered on the SHERPERD'S BUSG CD: it was a reflection of taking that classic All Over the Place tune 'A Day in the Life,' too much to heart. ;) ;) Honestly, though, the plethora of transitions on ToB and G'B are like the linking parts of 'Madrigal Meridian' (CYCLONE), TANGRAM, and 'Mojave Plan' (WHITE EAGLE) but with most of the stuff that is being linked together *removed*--which leaves one with a most disjointed listening experience--somewhere between the experience of DEAD SOLID PERFECT and THE DREAM MIXES: too much stuff going on and too many abrupt changes . . . sorta like playing STRATOSFEAR from beginning to end and assessing it as one unit. While this evolving structure is okay for live albums like LOGOS and LIVE MILES, it is disconcerting when its done in just one track--and often, at that. In this sense, THIEF YANG AND THE TANGRAM SEAL is a good case in point: it's more a medley than a remix. >[...] This is the first TD album in about 11 years that manages to >create mental images...dreams [...] I dunno about that. I get similar feelings from NEAR DARK, SHY PEOPLE, DEAD SOLID PERFECT, TURN OF THE TIDES, ZONING, and THE DREAM MIXES (and Edgar's BEYOND THE STORM, too). >[...] and allows me to fully concentrate and enjoy the music without >being juggled back and forth... I can how this would apply to THE DREAM MIXES, certainly, but . . . do you really have this problem with TURN OF THE TIDES?--er, I forgot about the sax tracks. Sorry. ;) -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 11:48 pm Subject: Re: ideas? Really-From: feldon@n... At 08:46 PM 4/21/97 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > >In September, when Tangerine Dream will celebrate its 30th >anniversary, wouldn't it be great to give him something on >behalf of this list. As a sort of thanks for all the great music. I think this would be very fitting. >I was thinking of a CD (or 2CD) composed by musicians of >this list (new tracks or ones that you like best) , something >like the Network-tape but then on CD(R). >Or is this just one of my crazy ideas? Suggestions? I would be very happy to do the conversion to CD-R. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 19, 1997 9:18 pm Subject: Re: TD-Digest #891 Really-From: 'Simon W. Hood' In article <199704170503.AAA22758@c...>, tadream mailing list writes >Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) > > >In response to Tom Richmonds question about what music really 'grabs' >some of us, how about this list, in addition to TD, of course. This >is all some really good stuff: Software, Interface, Robert Schroeder, > Patrick Kosmos, Rainer Bloss, Jean Michel Jarre, Vangelis, Mars >Lasar, and Zazen. Does anybody else on here like any of these people >besides me ? Steve I've been listening to Robert Schroeder for years and I don't think he's ever had a 'duff' album (with the possible exception of 'Pegasus' which I found rather boring). After TD and Schulze, I find I play his CDs more often than anything else. Which track or album would you recommend to TD List readers who haven't heard Schroeder? For me, one of his best tracks is 'The Message' from his 1986 album 'TimeWaves'. -- Simon W. Hood From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 9:44 pm Subject: Re: Timesteps etc./Maedchen Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 10:42 AM 4/21/97 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > >> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> >> I hope you meant to say that you have #307, because IF you >> have 307 of the CDs, the thunder you are likely to hear is >> the footsteps of thousands of e-music fans about to break your >> door down to get a copy...:-) :-) > >You're right Andrew, I must have said #307. Phew, I heard the fans >coming already. > >This morning I checked both Maedchen on the stairs (german and english >in one sentence) and one had #2921/5000 and the other had #4627/5000. >This is very confusing. Now I can't exactly say how many copies are >actually >left. > >Marcel Oh, why couldn't I love an American e-music group? That way I wouldn't have to be so envious of you folks with all those treasures.... Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 3:24 am Subject: Re: Re: Live Cast Really-From: gilmore@g... TA><< Can somebody give me an unbiased idea about the worth of this Live Cast i TA>true Hi-Fi reference? >> TA>As I said in my previous post, the sound quality of the Live Cast was simila TA>to AM (medium wave) radio broadcast, thus no hi-fi at all. But the previous TA>version of Real Audio (2.0) was much worse. In the TD Live Cast there was a TA>couple of additional problems - a 50Hz buzz all over the transmission (only TA>noticeable on quietest parts), and the initial problem with sound level TA>tuning. And also the white noise dropouts, already mentioned on the list. I used RealAudio 4.0 Beta to listen to the broadcast, and the quality was comparable to listening to a CD on the same system (admittedly through Walkman-style earphones.. so it's not all that hot actually :) On the other hand, when I lost the connection ('Net congestion, re-buffering' sigh), I had no white noise at all, just silence. Maybe the earphones masked that out . Also possibly of relevance was the fact that when I downloaded RealAudio, I specified my connection as T1 (connected from work), and our connection at work can at times sustain anywhere from 15Kbps up to 90+Kbps (it's quite erratic). In any case, what I did manage to hear of the concert between the dropouts and having to leave my computer (after all, I was at work :) sounded quite good, and I was surprised to hear them playing a lot of older material. The stuff I didn't recognize, I liked very much as well, and I hope I can get some of it somewhere :) Speaking of which, does anyone have a more-or-less complete compiled list of which albums they took the material from? Graham Gilmore /**********************************************************/ /* Mirabel */ /* gilmore@g... */ /* */ /* Sent from The GameMaster */ /**********************************************************/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2908 Re: Live Cast Sean Montgomery Tue 4/22/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 3:51 am Subject: Oasis Really-From: Rich Maggio Numerous people have mentioned this CD on this list. What is its availability? I thought it wasn't released yet. Also, as I recall, it was a video. Is this released yet in the US? If it has been released, but not in the US, does anyone know if there are plans to release it in the US? Thanks, Rich Maggio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 3:47 am Subject: Re: Re: Live Cast Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Speaking of which, does anyone have a more-or-less complete > compiled list of which albums they took the material from? Here's what I have: SET ONE 1. Waterborne - from 'Oasis' (1997) 2. Betrayal - from 'Sorcerer' (1977) 3. Diamond Diary - from 'Thief' (1981) 4. New Song (possibly from 'Oasis?) 5. Sundance Kid - from '220 Volt' (1993) 6. Silver Scale - from 'Tangents' (1996) 7. Warsaw in the Sun - from 'Poland' (1983) 8. Exit - from 'Exit' (1981) 9. Stratosfear 1995 - from 'Tyranny of Beauty' (1995...original version 1976) 10.Dolphin Dance - from 'Underwater Sunlight' (1986) 11.Logos (Blue Part) - from 'Tangents' (1996...original version 1982) 12.Le Parc (LA - Streehawk) - from 'Le Parc' (1985) 13.The Blue Bridge - from '220 Volt' (1993) SET TWO 1. New Song (Drum/Atmospheric Piece) 2. Waterborne - from 'Oasis' (1997) 3. 220 Volt - from '220 Volt' (1993) 4. Firetongues - from 'Turn of the Tides' - (1994) 5. Girls on Broadway - from 'Rockoon' (1992) 6. Little Blond in the Park of Attractions (The Thai Dub) - from 'The Dream Mixes' (1995) 7. Rising Haul in Silence - from 'Goblin's Club' (1996) 8. Lamb with Radar Eyes - from 'Goblin's Club' (1996) 9. Touchwood (The Forest Mix) - from 'The Dream Mixes' (1995) 10.Towards the Evening Star - from 'Goblin's Club' (1996) ENCORE ONE 1. Das Maedchen Auf Der Treppe - from the limited edition CD single (1997) 2. Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal - from the Shepherd's Bush limited edition CD single (1997) ENCORE TWO 1. Purple Haze - from '220 Volt' (1993) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 5:25 am Subject: Re: Oasis Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:51 PM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Rich Maggio > > >Numerous people have mentioned this CD on this list. >What is its availability? I thought it wasn't released >yet. Also, as I recall, it was a video. Is this >released yet in the US? It is presently only publicly available as a video. CD versions of it are available at the concerts. It is not available in the US. >If it has been released, but not in the US, does anyone >know if there are plans to release it in the US? I would be shocked if it *weren't* released in the US in a month or two. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 5:51 am Subject: Re: TD-Digest #891 Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) Most of 'TimeWaves' is forgettable to me, however, 'The Message' **IS** a great song! Larry >Which track or album would you recommend to TD List readers who >haven't >heard Schroeder? For me, one of his best tracks is 'The Message' from >his 1986 album 'TimeWaves'. >-- >Simon W. Hood > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 9:05 am Subject: Re: Re[2]: Bonn concert report Really-From: svberven@l... (Svein Berven) In article <5jgg3s$jqm@i...> tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) writes: >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: Re[2]: Bonn concert report >Hi, Is a list of the sites and dates of concerts available, pls?? Svein From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 7:18 am Subject: Re: ideas? Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > In September, when Tangerine Dream will celebrate its 30th > anniversary, wouldn't it be great to give him something on > behalf of this list. As a sort of thanks for all the great music. > > I was thinking of a CD (or 2CD) composed by musicians of > this list (new tracks or ones that you like best) , something > like the Network-tape but then on CD(R). > Or is this just one of my crazy ideas? Suggestions? A GREAT idea, Marcel. Now how come no-one else thought of that ? I'd be interested in contributing a track. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: help Really-From: MariaTeresa Scurria Please UNSUBSCRIBE tadream mailing list segreteria@e... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3425 help Lars R. Jones Sat 5/3/1997 2 KB 7120 help José =?iso Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 8:27 am Subject: Re: ideas? Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > In September, when Tangerine Dream will celebrate its 30th > anniversary, wouldn't it be great to give him something on > behalf of this list. As a sort of thanks for all the great music. > > I was thinking of a CD (or 2CD) composed by musicians of > this list (new tracks or ones that you like best) , something > like the Network-tape but then on CD(R). > Or is this just one of my crazy ideas? Suggestions? A super idea - i too would be happy to contribute if a new compilation was supported... Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 8:55 am Subject: Re: B**t busts article (not TD) Really-From: Mark Filipak All this talk about b**ts reminds me of the War On (other) Drugs. Believe something is bad for you and it is! -- Mark (self-fulfilling prophasizer) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 12:56 am Subject: Re: ideas? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > I just had an idea and maybe it's a silly one, but hé at least > it's one. > In September, when Tangerine Dream will celebrate its 30th > anniversary, wouldn't it be great to give him something on > behalf of this list. As a sort of thanks for all the great music. > > I was thinking of a CD (or 2CD) composed by musicians of > this list (new tracks or ones that you like best) , something > like the Network-tape but then on CD(R). > Or is this just one of my crazy ideas? Suggestions? > > Marcel I know it seems trite, but a wall plaque of appreciation would be nice, especially if it was hand carved rather than one of those industrial made ones. It would give Edgar & co. something to hang on the wall in the studio that might really mean something to them. If there are any wood artists on this list, it would mean a commission for a labor of love. I would be willing to contribute $$ towards this. If just 20 people gave just $10 each, then artist would have $200 to work with. Not much really, but would buy materials and a few dinners/discs and there could easily be 'other' forms of compensation. If the artist also loved TD, then it might not be such a 'burden' to do this. Anybody like this idea? The idea of a disc would be nice also and I don't see why both couldn't be done. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 8:51 am Subject: The sax is gone Really-From: Mark Filipak I too am happy the sax is gone. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 8:23 am Subject: [Fwd: (amb) ambient hair care?] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 10:07 am Subject: Re: Bonn concert report Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: svberven@l... (Svein Berven) > > In article <5jgg3s$jqm@i...> tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) writes: > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > >Subject: Re[2]: Bonn concert report > >Hi, > Is a list of the sites and dates of concerts available, pls?? > > Svein Hi Svein. I believe this is accurate. You may want to keep up on events from the TD home page: http://www.netstore.de/tadream/ Cheers -- Mark Jerome Froese/Edgar Froese/Zlatko Perica/Emil Hachfeld European Tour 97 (as of 1 Apr 97) Museumquartier, Vienna [9 Apr 1997] Filharmonie, Stuttgart [10 Apr 1997] Beethovenhalle, Bonn [11 Apr 1997] Circus Krone Bau, Munich [12 Apr 1997] Stadthalle Erlangen, Erlangen, Germany [13 Apr 1997] Musikhalle, Hamburg [15 Apr 1997] Hochschule der Kuenste, Berlin [16 Apr 1997] Music Hall, Hannover [17 Apr 1997] Hugenottenhalle, Neu-Isenburg, Germany [18 Apr 1997] Ancienne Belgique, Brussels [19 Apr 1997] Melkweg Max, Amsterdam [20 Apr 1997] Petofi Csarnok, Budapest [22 Apr 1997] Dom Muziki I Tanca, Zabrze, Poland [23 Apr 1997] Sky Club Brumlovka, Prague [24 Apr 1997] Lycabetus Theater, Athens [31 May 1997] TBA, Thessaloniki, Greece [1 Jun 1997] Doctor Music Festival, Barcelona [07/11/97 to 07/13/97] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 7:21 pm Subject: Network 388 cassette Really-From: anunes@m... Marcel Engels's new idea reminded me that I received the Network 388 cassette 2 weeks ago and didn't post a word about it yet (shame on me). If this serves as an excuse, when I received the cassette I was experiencing severe problems with my mail server, and next there was the LiveCast excitement. Sorry not to post a full review of every composition due to time constraints, I just want to say that the music of Network 388 is GREAT, all of it. I would give the whole tape a strong 4AS. My special thanks to Jeffrey Bergman for sending me the cassette. Some time ago someone in this list asked for the possibility of having Network 388 on CD. Someone else answered that it would not be possible because it was a 90 minutes cassette. Well, I added the track times printed on the cassette leaflet, and the result was 76' 53', so it would fit in one CD, even in one CDR with some little trimming. I think the music of Network 388 is so good that deserves a CD. This could be one of the CD's to be offered to Tangerine Dream together with another CD of new tracks. What do you think? Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 12:11 pm Subject: Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) Really-From: XCenter@a... <> The 'Turn of the Tides'-booklet names Zlatko Perica for all Lead and Rythm guitars and for all guitar-arrangments. So what do you mean with Edgar's guitar sequence on Firetongues?! I think the guitarwork on 'Turn...' is amazing. Erh, and all this stuff is done by Zlatko... Poor Edgar... Yours synth-erely, Frank XCenter@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 12:46 pm Subject: Recommended stuff Really-From: XCenter@a... >>I've been listening to Robert Schroeder for years and I don't think he's ever had a 'duff' album (with the possible exception of 'Pegasus' which I found rather boring).<< I think Schroeders 'Evergreens'-CD is a one-under-many release. In fact I think Robert has lost a lot over the years. The 'Mindwalk'-CD was another disappointment for me. The album itself isn't so bad, but I recorded this stuff live from the radio and stage-done it sounds more stunning. 'The Message' is really hot. Does anyone know the great 'Galaxis Cygnus-A'-album? Anyway, this all truly belongs to the space-music list... For all you TaDream-heads: Try the 'Trancession'-release by Ringlage/Parsick (Spheric Music/Germany). Great up-tempo '80s sequencer-stuff with absolutely breathtaking sololines. 'Laserscape' by YOU is also very TD-ish. One track of this one was recorded at the ... ah ... aah ... aaah ... Studio Christoph Franke in 1985!!! Available at CUE-records/Germany. Yours synth-erely Frank XCenter@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 12:58 pm Subject: Re: TD-Digest #891 Really-From: Vic Rek At 10:18 PM 4/19/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Simon W. Hood' > >I've been listening to Robert Schroeder for years and I don't think he's >ever had a 'duff' album (with the possible exception of 'Pegasus' which >I found rather boring). After TD and Schulze, I find I play his CDs more >often than anything else. > >Which track or album would you recommend to TD List readers who haven't >heard Schroeder? For me, one of his best tracks is 'The Message' from >his 1986 album 'TimeWaves'. >-- I enjoy Schroeder's 'Harmonic Ascendant' and 'Floating', both produced by Klaus Schulze. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 12:52 pm Subject: Bonn concert Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) Hi, back from my short trip to Bonn (home and TD concert) and London (chat with Lars on TD concerts), it is my turn to add some comments. Most has already been said, but I'd like to add my perspective. The concert in Bonn was great, even though they had serious sound problems in particular in the first 15 or 20 minutes. The bass was almost in feedback, and you could hardly get the melody lines of 'Silver Scale'. But I was amazed that they played 'Silver Scale' at all! My second time to hear that live (after 1981). I've been to the concert with my brother and two friends. My brother and one of the friends are not much into TD, they were just curious and joined me. Because they were not much interested in anything else but the concert, I did not try to meet the band, and probably that is why I missed all of you tadream-ers in Bonn (Dennis, Christian). Interesting: Those two TD-illiterates who joined me (they hardly know any TD piece) had three points to critizize: 1.) The concert was too loud. It is not that they are not used to loud music. My brother is at rock concerts very often, he knows what is loud and enjoys it, but TD was a bit too much. I assume this may be because of a different sound spectrum and the next point: 2.) There were a bit too many sounds and noises per time unit, which exhausted them completely after the first set. 3.) The light show was too bright! Too often the light beams were directed right into your face, and I saw them shielding their eyes or just looking away. But in total they were very impressed! My brother won't join me again, but he does not regret to have spent the 50 deutschmarks. Point 2 made another friend of mine (who couldn't come to the concert and who is a keyboarder himself) say that then the TD concert was obviously 'music for musicians' (who really reflect on it) and not some kind of fashionable rock or pop wallpaper. He is so right! Merchandising: is it true that these two ladies doing the merchandising are Monique and Anja????? So, and what did I like most? The drummer! For me he was the best man on stage! Having (most of) the drumming performed by a real drummer was brilliant, I waited for this for a long time. I've never seen such a kind of semi-acoustic and electonically processed drumming before. And of course it introduces some action-element on the otherwise very cool stage appearance. Though they hardly played anything new on the concert, this was really a new Tangerine Dream! I really wish you americans and brits and who else on the list that you'll see this very very soon! (especially the brits because then I can see it again ;) ) Remark on German or Bonn audience. Some complained they were too calm. Don't think they *were* calm, just because they did not shouted around or something like that. They (and me) just behaved like, well, germans. Look at Edgar! Just like him! And here is what Edgar told the audience in the end (free out of memory, translated): 'If those 68ers (*) in the front rows wouldn't have clattered with their third teeth all the time, our timing would have been much better. And the rest of you, if you're really already that old (**) and still smoke joints, I tell you you better switch to peppermint tea!' all with ;) (*) referring to the student generation of the late 60s in the student revolts in Germany - the movement which in fact made bands like TD (and all the Krautrock) possible. (**) there was hardly anybody in the audience younger than 25 years!!!! Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 2:01 pm Subject: even more neat stuff found Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers Returning from A'dam this AM, I had just enough time to drop off my backpack and plug in the limited edition tour single and the new track on GC before running to meet fellow list member Armin Theissen (of Armin Scale fame) in Picadilly. After comparing notes on the Bonn and A'dam concerts and a few other things over lunch, we cruised some of the nearby record stores and struck Pay Dirt! I asked in one if they had any TD, 'Tangerine Dream?' the clerk says in a quizzical voice and walks into the back room and precedes to bring out a huge collection--99 discs total!!! They said some 'Rastafarian' had sold his TD collection last week but they had not yet gotten around to cataloging it--well, the people just didn't know what sort of an Affaire they had :-) And what an Affaire we had digging through those discs! I think the only thing missing was the Q-word :-b nevertheless, Armin and I both picked up several new items and I think we were both happy (well, OK, he let me take almost the whole Affaire and bailed me out when they didn't take Amex--thanks Armin--what a hero!) I know I can check a few things off my want list now... amongst this Affaire was The Original Heartbreakers CD (NOT the reissue) so it was extra cool--especially when we got such good deals on them! It was like taking candy from babies! I was musing what led such a person to abandon their whole collection. Was he fresh from DeTox? or had he been Born Again? Perhaps he was in a bad divorce and wanted to keep them out of his Ex's hands? Clearly he needed money and I'm sure we'd all sell our priceless jewels (Yes Blix, even you!) if we had to--but to dump what must certainly have been one's entire collection... well that is almost unconscionable What's more, after Armin had left, I stumbled upon an LP of Schmoelling's 'Zoo of Tranquillity' on Theta label! Yes, lighting does strike twice! ~~~~~=:-o Anyway, thinking of you all (les miserables), I picked up a few items for trade/sale--since I wanted to share the wealth--if you are interested in any of these, please e-mail me off list, thanks. Dreamtime single Kamikaze 1989 Mystery Tracks I Shy People Dead Solid Perfect Deadly Care Dream Roots (used but complete, some edge and corner wear on box) -- I can probably make a desperate soul a decent deal on this since I got it at less than retail If you are desperate, e-mail me and I will check if they have it... (mostly older Virgin releases plus some Froese, etc.) Elsewhere I have also picked up an extra copy of the 7' single Das Maedchen auf der Treppe/Katja... anyone interested? Lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3640 Re: even more neat stuff found Asbacher John Wed 5/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 2:01 pm Subject: d: addendum, week of april 21 Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> D: List, Addendum; Week of April 21 Goblin's Club Enjoy! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 2:00 pm Subject: auction Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers (mostly you N. American dreamers) Here is your chance to get some of the 1997 tour merchandise! I was able to get a few extra things so I've put together a 'kit.' I've had a lot of requests for stuff and tried my best to please everyone but I had only so much money to 'front'. I know some people still want stuff so it seems like this offer is the best way to give everyone a fair shot. The auction is for the WHOLE 'KIT' of items listed; I will not sell them separately. Finally, this is a 'sealed-bid auction' so there's only one chance at it. 1 'Limited World Tour Edition 1997' CD single (3 tracks, 20:08 minutes) numbered 2970/5000 (still sealed) -- really excellent; I don't think they have many left of these (I saw only about 4 boxes total of all the tour CDs being loaded onto the bus and the cargo hold was basically empty). 1 Ticket to the Melkweg Max TD concert **autographed by all four members** 1 Official Tour T-Shirt (X-large, black, deep blue TD logo with name -- nice also) 1 Official Tour Hat (black, with embroidered name and logo-- nice!) 1 Official Tour Pin (black and gold-colored with TD logo, approx 1 inch square) 1 Melkweg Max postcard-size playbill with Tangerine Dream and date Standard rules/disclaimers apply: -- These items will be sold as a group, not separately or individually. -- This is a 'sealed-bid' auction, so there is only one chance to bid. -- Auction ends 30 April 1997 and E-mail offers in US dollars will be accepted until April 30; appropriate trade offers will be considered. -- This group of items has a reserve price. Although not listed here, if the reserve price has not been reached by 30 April, I reserve the right to withdraw the offer of this group of items. -- Winning/highest bidder will be notified by e-mail as soon as possible. -- My decision is final. -- Payment in US dollars (or trade) expected promptly and before the merchandise is shipped. -- Shipping and packaging is extra. Lars Jones Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28300 auction Duncan McKee Wed 8/8/2001 2 KB 28607 auction Duncan McKee Tue 8/21/2001 2 KB 29110 auction NEUMANN.H-J@t... Sun 9/16/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 1:57 pm Subject: software Really-From: Michael A Jean They definitely have some interesting stuff, but I stopped buying the stuff aabout five years ago when SOFTWARE started sounding more like SOFTPORN...If anyone if looking for some of their stuff, I would consider parting with it for a reasonable price... Mike J Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25154 software =?iso-8859-1?Q?Richard_B=EDle Tue 11/21/2000 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 2:01 pm Subject: volumes Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Regarding volume I know this is an old topic but I couldn't upload this before I went to a'dam; if it is redundant, please ignore. Any time you have ringing in your ear following exposure to loud noises it means you HAVE ALREADY SUFFERED PERMANENT DAMAGE; the longer the ringing, the worse the damage. what eventually happens is that the brain tunes the ringing out (and you think it 'goes away') but you have already lost something; over time this adds up. For this reason, I gave up going to most clubs and concerts--I only go to a rare few (like TD) and then NEVER WITHOUT hearing protection. I'd rather hear my son talking to me in 20 years--while I listen to TD--than to enjoy a few hot shows now. I quit listening to headphones because they are bad also. Over the past two months I've been listening to my discman (on 'phones because I've got no speakers because I'm not at home but need my TD fix) between 'level 2' and 'minimum' with the bass at 'low' and AVLS 'on' and the 'phones not directly over my ears but I still have experienced extensive ringing in my ears so I've had to put it away for awhile. Someone said that the biggest health problem in 20-30 years will be deafness, I totally agree; I've always said I should buy stock in hearing aid companies. There will be a lot of deafness in the near future because of concerts and headphones--and the walkman craze has been absolutely the worse thing for it. The other factor is digital music; they are not cramming so much density and range into the same frequencies that it is effectively 'louder' than analog even at lower volumes. I don't want to tell anyone what to do; hey, they are your ears--maybe they'll outlast those CDs (they're supposed to be good for only 20 years...)--but then again, maybe not. I know I'll have my ears stuffed at the a'dam concert. (I did at the bush too and they still hurt and rang)! hope to HEAR from you all soon lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 2:00 pm Subject: THE ORB Really-From: Michael A Jean I finally gave up looking for the US release and ordered the import... I think I found the ONE second of the original they used in the remix (about 8 seconds in)... All kidding aside, it is a liberal interpretation to say the least...based on 3 or 4 plays.... Mike J From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 2:00 pm Subject: adam eve; concert review Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers OK, here goes my attempt at a concert 'review' for the Amsterdam Concert on Sunday the 21 April at the Melkweg Max. **** Warning: Man Opinionating; Procede Only With Caution ***** all standard disclaimers apply (IMO, IMOHO, IMNSHO, etc); if you don't know them, then close this file now. For those of you who hate my long, wordy essays, I'll give you the conclusion up front: Concert 4.95 AS out of 5 Criticisms: 1) Edgar didn't play guitar -.01AS 2) Edgar didn't play guitar -.01AS 3) Edgar didn't play guitar -.01AS 4) They didn't use Zlako enough -.01AS 5) They had a faulty speaker connection in the beginning -.01AS (OK, I know I can't fault them for this but I like nice even numbers and there isn't much else to criticize about this show!) Highlights: Emil's drumming (utterly fantastic) Zlatko's guitar solos (fantastic) Stratosfear '95 (or maybe '97 now?) -- absolutely superb!!! Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal -- absolutely superb!!! The first ('vintage set') set -- all great the encores -- all great Oasis material -- all great especially with the drums meeting the band and especially The Man (I'm still in awe) the tour single (great!) OK, you should now know where I stand on this, those of you who feel otherwise might wish to hit the delete key or close now; everyone else: read on! The Venue: The Melkweg is built on the the edge of part of a canal and one must cross a bridge to get in the front door (then pay an extra $2.25 to 'join' the house). The building houses to spaces, one 'large' and one small; TD played in the 'large' hall. This was a fantastic venue. It was really quite small even though it was the 'large' one. At the back was a bar and there was a small balcony (just wide enough for a few to stand). The center was a big dance floor, maybe 20 feet square surrounded by three steps. The stage was also quite small, barely enough room for all the equipment. Emil, the drummer, had to crawl underneath the drums to go on and off stage. I was told it holds 500-600 people but I'm guessing there were only about 400 people there; since it was only standing, I'm glad it wasn't too crowded. I got there about 2pm, determined finally to meet the band. I chatted with the crew for awhile and tried to get in to the sound check but the manager wouldn't do it (maybe because it was such a small venue and the mixing board was right by the entrance). I listened from the entrance hall, it was only 2-3 minutes anyway. About 30-40 minutes later, Jerome, Emil and Zlatko came out and I was able to meet them. Keep your fingers crossed because TD **might** play north america later this year!!! but 'no promises' is the word for now. I waited awhile longer, hoping The Man would appear. Finally, about an hour later, I saw Edgar in the vestibule videotaping things outside (I'm even in some of it). I knocked and he opened the door and we were able to chat for a few minutes; this was probably the highlight of the day! Finally I got to meet The Man! I know everyone has a million questions they would ask him but I had to speak from my heart and I think he appreciated that. They all were really great; very nice people. Later, about 90 minutes before the show, as a few of us die-hards (including fellow list member Marcel E. and a few people I had met at the Bush), were talking outside the front door and Edgar came out again with the video camera--this time he filmed us all and he even mingled a bit. Maybe we'll end up in the next tour video! Marcel even got to give Edgar a copy of his own CD; Edgar seemed interested too; he really was nice and promised he would listen to it and get back to him. They opened the doors maybe about 7:45 or so and I was able to get The Merchandise (so all of you who asked me, it is available and you will get yours). I should have asked, but I think Monika and Anja were running the merchandise table. I had seen them together and afterward they got on the band bus (maybe someone in the know could confirm this to me--even if off list) and had nothing to do with the crew. If so, it was sort of a nice touch, it went with the small venue and made it seem like a family thing. Since not many people were there yet (probably no more than 400 came to the show--it was perfect!) I was able to find a spot directly in front of Edgar's set up (I think Edgar and Jerome reversed positions here from the Bush and both seemed to be running things almost equally). So close to the stage, one becomes a part of the stage lighting and begins to feel a more active participant in the show. The show started about 10 minutes early, I think they were trying to finish early since they were driving to Budapest that night; still they played for almost 2 1/2 hours including a 10 minute intermission. I can't give you a play list, I'm sure that will be posted eventually (maybe it has already, I haven't seen e-mail since Thursday). It was close to the Bush playlist in some respects but with some of Linda's material gone and with Oasis added in (BTW, I see it says Oasis was 'composed, performed and recorded other changes (adding in the das maedchen redux dance mix etc) also. The first set was indeed a vintage set (even though it opened with Oasis and included one other Oasis tune if I'm not mistaken) and it was absolutely fantastic. All of you listees who bemoan a return to 'the good old days' should have sold the house and the car and come to see this concert tour, it was great. Especially a good idea was adding the drums. On this list, we have criticized the pure digital concerts and drum machines as lacking that crucial element of uncertainity and human tension and here I think the drums gave the show a human element that has occasionally been missing. Emil open the second set (newer material) with a great drum solo too. I would like to have seen Zlatko used more (yes I'm a Zlatko fan!!) but such is the music and I am partial to the guitar. The audience really got into it to I think; the show really was nice. It was also nice to be in a place where people could 'light up' without getting busted on the spot; sigh, a'dam is such a civilized place... The Encores were fantastic! They opened with the club mix of 'Maedchen on the stairs' (that's how it's written on the insert!) and blended it seamlessly into Theif Yang and the Tangram Seal--it was really great. Then, in the second encore, they played 'purple haze.' I have to say I really liked this version much better than on 220VL; the drums added a lot but Zlatko's guitarwork sounded different too, much better. Finally, Edgar said a few words to the audience; he said that they hadn't played such a small venue since 1972 or 73 and said that this reminded him of that time and that this was good. Also, I found the mix and the volume to be just about perfect; I used some cotton in my ears for about half the time and half not--and there was no ringing in my ears after the concert. Compared with the Bush, it seemed as if some of our 'criticisms' had been implemented (whether they were aware of them or not); some of the video that I didn't like was gone and replaced by better quality material; Linda was gone (just an objective observation) and replaced by a drummer (less sax, more humanity?); more emphasis on a harder, rockier, style that seems more akin to the Virgin and Blue years' material than to later material. If this is the 'new direction' and if Oasis is part of this, I REALLY REALLY like it! It seemed as if Edgar was much more a part of this than at the Bush where it seemed that Jerome was running the show. I waited outside afterward for about an hour or so and was able to meet and talk to the band once again and got some things autographed; they were really great! I can't say much more because I only got a few hours of sleep after the concert and I'm totally exhausted. lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2959 Re: adam eve; concert review Mark Filipak Wed 4/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 2:37 pm Subject: Just the Facts, Man Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... Okay, I'm on a fact-finding mission, so any help you fellow listers could provide would be appreciated. Here are my questions: 1) Could someone give me the catalog number of the Australian Pressing of 'Goblin's Club'? What is the name and exact running time of the new tune? Were any other changes made to the disc? 2) Which 'Das Madchen' CD single was being sold on the tour? What is the catalog number of that CD? 3) Was 'Lamb With Radar Eyes' played during the second set of the netcast (Sean Montgomery lists it, Hermes Guzman does not)? 4) What is your favorite color? Thanks in advance, B. Kirby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2948 Re: Just the Facts, Man Jens Peschke Tue 4/22/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 3:23 pm Subject: volume Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) Hi, I've read Lars' mail about volume with some concern. If ringing is already a sign of damage, than I got it already from my very first concert I've been to with the age of 14 (this was Tangerine Dream, by the way). And Lars told us that even some Kleenex earplug does not help. Professional ear protection plugs are done individually by taking the form of your ear and than making a perfect fitting earplug with the result that the protection is there for *any* frequency. This is important: Kleenex tissue will block only some part of the frequency spectrum, namly a part which makes you think you lowered the volume. However, some frequencies go through with full intensity (!) causing maybe even more damage because your brain thinks there is less and opens your perception. Some semiprofessional blues guitarist told me that. Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 4:18 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #897 Really-From: Pat 2E >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:23:10 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #892 >Really-From: TWeibre361@a... >In a message dated 97-04-19 12:39:40 EDT, you write: ><< The Optical Race TD > tour back in 1988 had perfect volume at Radio City Music Hall in NYC. >> > >u think so? i was sitting first row on the first balcony and i thought it >sucked...the tape tells the story...btw, were u at the beacon in 86? now that >was awesome sound...regards, > >tom w > >np: dub syndicate - live san francisco 1996 I was in the balcany at the Radio City show in in '88 and thought the sound was excellent. I was also at the Beacon in '86. Sound was great there too. I especially loved the version of Dolphon Dance. It had a lot more power live than it did on the studio version. I also saw them at the Beacon in '93. Once again, the sound was great. I've never been disappointed with TD's sound live. When I saw them in '93 at the Beacon, it was 3 days after I saw Jethro Tull at the same place. I was VERY DISAPPOINTED with Tull's sound. They just don't pack the power live like they do on their studio albums. Oh yeah, interesting thing about the '88 show at Radio City. Andy Summers opened up for TD. I was not at all impressed with him. I thought his act was rather boring. *** >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur >> Funny thing, though, people have complained bitterly >>about Linda, and now the moment she is out along comes someone >>saying how >>much they liked her! I predict that soon the list will be full of people >>saying the new sound is c**p, why doesn't Edgar give us the good old >>stuff >>with Linda. >That's exactly what Jerome told me in Bonn. He said that when they >started including saxophones, people didn't seem to be happy about it, >and when they decided to stop working with saxes because they'd got >the maximum out of them, people were nagging around about that they >wanted Linda back...sometimes you just can't win. >Dennis The only thing I'll miss about Linda is seeing her foxy body. (I know I'll get flamed for this) :) 2E out Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2935 Re: tadream-digest V15 #897 TWeibre361@a... Tue 4/22/1997 3 KB 2942 Re: tadream-digest V15 #897 Plumer, Scott Tue 4/22/1997 2 KB 3355 Still there? Paul Nagle Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 5:08 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #897 Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-04-22 12:39:48 EDT, you write: << I was in the balcany at the Radio City show in in '88 and thought the sound was excellent. I was also at the Beacon in '86. Sound was great there too. I especially loved the version of Dolphon Dance. It had a lot more power live than it did on the studio version. I also saw them at the Beacon in '93. Once again, the sound was great. I've never been disappointed with TD's sound live. When I saw them in '93 at the Beacon, it was 3 days after I saw Jethro Tull at the same place. I was VERY DISAPPOINTED with Tull's sound. They just don't pack the power live like they do on their studio albums. Oh yeah, interesting thing about the '88 show at Radio City. Andy Summers opened up for TD. I was not at all impressed with him. I thought his act was rather boring. >> strange how 2 people can be sitting in almost exactly the same place and have two different opinions...i also disagree about summers; i thought he did a decent set...but, i entirely AGREE about both beacon shows (but then again, ive never seen or heard a bad one there; not true: the cult was a disaster)...and yes, i think i saw god during that version of dolphin dance...saw tull two years ago at jones beach and i was fully entertained...i would hope that if td does decide to tour here later this year that they do the beacon...first row balcony, dead center is, imo, the best seat in nyc...(except perhaps courtside at the knicks)... tom w np: r. sakamoto - music for the y.yamamoto collection 1995 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 5:57 pm Subject: Re: ideas? Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > I just had an idea and maybe it's a silly one, but hé at least > it's one. > In September, when Tangerine Dream will celebrate its 30th > anniversary, wouldn't it be great to give him something on > behalf of this list. As a sort of thanks for all the great music. > > I was thinking of a CD (or 2CD) composed by musicians of > this list (new tracks or ones that you like best) , something > like the Network-tape but then on CD(R). > Or is this just one of my crazy ideas? Suggestions? > > Marcel I know it seems trite, but a wall plaque of appreciation would be nice, especially if it was hand carved rather than one of those industrial made ones. It would give Edgar & co. something to hang on the wall in the studio that might really mean something to them. If there are any wood artists on this list, it would mean a commission for a labor of love. I would be willing to contribute $$ towards this. If just 20 people gave just $10 each, then artist would have $200 to work with. Not much really, but would buy materials and a few dinners/discs and there could easily be 'other' forms of compensation. If the artist also loved TD, then it might not be such a 'burden' to do this. Anybody like this idea? The idea of a disc would be nice also and I don't see why both couldn't be done. -- Mark ---------- Fantastic! I think they would really appreciate the wall plaque. I think it's also a nice idea to give him the CD together with wall plaque. I'm all for it. I'm willing to contribute. We got to have some plans about how the CD(S) and the wall plaque are going to be made. I have a studio with some equipment and CD-recorder, but I know there are members on this list who have better stuff. I think the Network-tape(CD) and a CD with new material would be a good plan. If anybody is interested don't give me a e-mail yet, because these are just some rough plans. But what if the response is too great and about 50 people want to make a track, then we have to make a decision about who's gonna be on it. We'll just have to see about that. Let your brains work on this and let the list know how your idea is about this. I want to know! Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 6:47 pm Subject: Re: The Keep Really-From: Becki Aquino unsubscribe tadream mailing list Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8707 The Keep Lawry Simm Fri 11/14/1997 2 KB 8896 Re: The Keep Lawry Simm Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB 8905 Re: The Keep Plumer, Scott Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB 8915 Re: The Keep Michael Fox Thu 11/20/1997 4 KB 9094 Re: The Keep TangerineC@a... Wed 11/26/1997 3 KB 9098 Re: The Keep Plumer, Scott Wed 11/26/1997 2 KB 9100 Re: The Keep Plumer, Scott Thu 11/27/1997 4 KB 9383 The Keep Michael A Jean Wed 12/10/1997 2 KB 9384 Re: The Keep Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 12/11/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: live performances of _Legend_ material Really-From: Marshall Wood I recall some time last year, someone on this list had recommended a good boot CD that included live performances of some of the material from _Legend_. It included, if I recall correctly, an extended, vocal-less version of 'Loved by the Sun.' Can anyone fill me in on the details? Most importantly, what was the name of the bootleg? MWood NP: _Patrolling Space Borders_ - Tangerine Dream (Wow, is this good!!!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2947 Re: live performances of _Legend_ material Plumer, Scott Tue 4/22/1997 2 KB 2961 Re: live performances of _Legend_ material Craig R. J. Cordrey Wed 4/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 9:50 pm Subject: Concert photos Really-From: stephan bischoff Hi folks, I uploaded some scans of photos I did at the hamburg gig to my website. You can find them at: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/td_97_hamburg.htm Quality is a sometimes a little blurred, but that was all I could get with a autofocus camera with 400 ASA, using no flash and having the balcony as 'tripod'. Anyway, I declared the bulge in my jacket as Handy to the security. 'But please turn it off during the performance!' was the answer... Regards, Stephan _____ __________________________________________________________ / || \ |E-mail|| Stephan.Bischoff@H... | \_____||____________________________________________________ | / || | | Home ||http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/index.html | \_____||__________________________________________________________/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2963 Re: Concert photos Dr. Alan Stocker Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 7:59 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #897 (Bonn concert review) Really-From: Gary Struhlik At 02:02 22.04.97 -0500, you wrote: >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:02:08 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: Bonn concert review > >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur >The drummer was really good, and I found it really refreshing to hear >something to make a change from the odd sequencer po-rum-pumpum >bits that can be heard on almost any of the Seattle years albums. Yes, indeed. >I'd be >delighted if he stayed in the band to record the forthcoming album. > This is exactly the same I think. EH has to become a member and not only a guest musician. Gary S. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 7:59 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #897 ( Oasis ) Really-From: Gary Struhlik At 02:02 22.04.97 -0500, you wrote: >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:08:39 -0400 >Subject: Oasis > >Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >100% agreed. I have listened to Oasis 4 times now, and it is a truely >fantastic album. While there are probably no single oustanding tracks (like >'Towards the evening star' was on GC) the whole album holds together very >well, stays in mostly one mood. And especially it doesn't jump around in >ONE SINGLE TRACK, like GC does. > >There are fast tracks, slow tracks and even one *very slow* track, but it >all blends together so well. This is the first TD album in about 11 years >that manages to create mental images...dreams, and allows me to fully >concentrate and enjoy the music without being juggled back and forth... > I think 'Oasis' will introduce a new (old) TD style. Old, because there is no saxophone. I was never a fan of saxophone sound, but it was an experiment and we know this is one of the things which is characteristic for TD like the experiment to add real vocals (no sampling). But I hope this is over (saxophone and real vocals). And old, because they play the primeval instruments like guitar and drums but also newer musical instruments. The last fact is not really in relation to 'Oasis' but in relation to the european tour 1997. New, because they play no remixes and new because of Jerome's influence. GC is a great album but is IMHO not the new direction of TD's music. BTW I liked Linda Spa. I remember when I was at the Berlin concert (Hdk 16. April '97) that the culminate of the concert were the 'Oasis' tracks 'Flashflood' and 'Waterborne'. Sometimes I hear the tracks in my mind although I didn't play this really. This is the T Dream ! Gary S. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 7:35 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #897 Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > at the Beacon in '93. Once again, the sound was great. I've never been > disappointed with TD's sound live. When I saw them in '93 at the > Beacon, it was 3 days after I saw Jethro Tull at the same place. I was What a coincidence: I saw TD at Music Hall in Cleveland in '86 from the thrid row and was mesmerized by the perfection of the sound. Then about a year ago I saw Ian Anderson play solo at the same place, and he was able to play unamplified and sound great. I guess it's as much the venue as the band's sound. I also saw the Jerry Garcia Band there, and he played the first set solo without amplification. One of the best concerts I've ever seen, after TD. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3355 Still there? Paul Nagle Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 7:46 pm Subject: Re: ideas? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> I just had an idea and maybe it's a silly one, but hé at least >> it's one. >> In September, when Tangerine Dream will celebrate its 30th >> anniversary, wouldn't it be great to give him something on >> behalf of this list. As a sort of thanks for all the great music. >I know it seems trite, but a wall plaque of appreciation would be nice, >especially if it was hand carved rather than one of those industrial I like the idea of commemorating their 30th anniversary (which roughly coincides with my 30th birthday last Friday :-) but the plaque idea, I don't know. Maybe if it was from some special wood, like perhaps a fallen tree from Mojave Desert, or some floorboards from a venue they used to play that was torn down. BUT I have a better idea! Why not get them nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? They've always seen themselves as a rock band, and they deserve to be in there more than Carl Jerkins or Cruddy Holly. Since I live the closest to the Hall of anyone on the list, I will take it upon myself to look into how one gets nominated. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 6:57 pm Subject: Whatever Next? Really-From: Vic Rek Dreamers - I haven't seen this sampler from Sequel mentioned yet: 'Whatever Next?' - Promo only CD sampler with edit of 'Alpha Centauri' from 'Book of Dreams' - released 1996. I don't have this so I cannot provide anymore information. I can post more once it's in. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 6:58 pm Subject: Orb Re-mix Single Really-From: Vic Rek Just got the Orb re-mix single from Lars (along with other goodies). As mentioned before, this IS a Tangerine Dream CD single release. Credit is given to The Orb for the remix, but all titles are Tangerine Dream. There is a sticker in the middle of this digipak single that states 'remixed by the Orb'. The first track is the 'Mandarin Cream remix' of 'Towards the Evening Star' - quite interesting. Can't even recognize it, but I like it. The second track is the original TD version of 'Towards the Evening Star'. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 7:05 pm Subject: RE: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>example). They've never done this before, so far as I know. However, this kind >>of thing is characteristic of Pink Floyd, who rest VERY heavily on their >>previous laurels (repeating all of _Dark Side of the Moon_ on _Pulse_???). >Actually, Pink Floyd was being innovative; it was the first time in 20 >years that they'd played _Dark Side_ in its entirety. I assure you the >fans loved it. We did. Actually, it was refreshing to hear it in its entirety, because on the earlier leg of their '94 tour, and on their '87 - '89 tour they only played a few songs from it, and not in the order in which they appear on the album. Kinda defeats the purpose of a concept album, doesn't it? Another thing I'll give them credit for is that they breathe (no pun intended) new life into their old tunes. Something which TD doesn't quite do, IMHO. It seems like they play album stuff note for note from the albums, and don't change them at all. They might as well just play the CD and just mime playing! Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3004 Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) Gabe Yedid Thu 4/24/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 9:56 pm Subject: RE: live performances of _Legend_ material Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I recall some time last year, someone on this list had >recommended a good boot CD that included live performances >of some of the material from _Legend_. It included, if I >recall correctly, an extended, vocal-less version of >'Loved by the Sun.' Anything from the 1986 N. American tour would contain said track. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 10:11 pm Subject: Re: Just the Facts, Man Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > 1) Could someone give me the catalog number of the Australian Pressing of > 'Goblin's Club'? What is the name and exact running time of the new tune? > Were any other changes made to the disc? During the tour they sell a 'Goblin´s Club' release (TDI007CD) with no picture of Linda. They put 'Fort Worth Runway One' [6:41] instead of the 'Elf june...' track on it. The new nice tune was played live in hanover on 4/17. The cover says Evolving Discs P.O. Box 2237 St. Kilda West Victoria 3128 Australia. > 2) Which 'Das Madchen' CD single was being sold on the tour? What is the > catalog number of that CD? 'The limited world tour edition 1997 CD' 1- Maedchen on the stairs (Rien ne va plus - sunset radio mix) [4:08] (Froese/Schmoelling/Franke) 2- Maedchen on the stairs (Rien ne va plus - sunset club mix) [6:55] (Froese/Schmoelling/Franke) 3- Order of the ginger gild [9:04] (Froese/Froese) Produced by Edgar & Jerome Froese Recorded March 1997 at Eastgate Studios, Berlin Engineered by Edgar & Jerome Froese All material has been exclusively performed by Edgar & Jerome Froese Mastered on DQC by Jerome Froese Label Consultant: Rob Ayling This CD is limited edition specifically designed and recorded in connection with the Tangerine Dream wordwide live performances during 1997. These tracks may appear on future Tangerine Dream albums. Limited edition of 5000. TDI Music International 1997 TDI005CD. NO more words, just the facts, Brian. Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 10:30 pm Subject: Thanks for your help/Missing tracks Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Hi, all ! thanks for those of you trying to help me with my missing list ! It takes just a few days to get the contacts ! Amazing :-> My list will be empty soon ... :-) I hold one 'Maedchen on the stairs CD' for getting the '1997/8 special edition US tour' CD ! Jens Peschke, hanover germany PS Offers of rare original stuff (no live bootlegs) are welcome. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 10:42 pm Subject: Re: Just the Facts, Man ERRATA Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >> 1) Could someone give me the catalog number of the Australian Pressing of >> 'Goblin's Club'? What is the name and exact running time of the new >> tune? >> Were any other changes made to the disc? > During the tour they sell a 'Goblin´s Club' release (TDI007CD) with no > picture of Linda. It´s EVO11CD. TDI0007CD is the # of the OASIS CD sold during the tour ! Sorry, I mixed the lines. :-( Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 11:44 pm Subject: Re: ideas? Really-From: TangerineC@a... I think it's a good idea only if Edgar releases all the unreleased stuff from the vaults. Then i'd chip in a $100. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 11:48 pm Subject: Re: What's Goblin Club like? Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-04-21 13:57:46 EDT, you write: >) > >Overall, I must say that I really like GC, as it takes the vital step from >mere instrumental masturbation to a more subtle ( in this case, almost >sinister) approach to the music. Goblin's Club is not _just_ music, it >really has something to say. > > I totally agree. I think it is a great album also., From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 1:14 am Subject: Re: Bent Cold Sidewalk words. Really-From: David Datta In article <5jfa4e$hml$1@n...> you wrote: : Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' : > Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... : : > any one know what the voice synth is saying at the start of Bent cold : > sidewalk, I can work out some of it but not all. : : All TD lyrics can be found on Dave Datta's FTP site. I had a lot of : trouble trying to work out the vocoded speech, but someone somewhere : managed it. Good work fella ! Thanks! That was me. The lyrics are not on my FTP site but most of them are on the TD web page. The vocoded stuff is pretty close but not absolutely correct. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 3:27 am Subject: Re: TD-Digest #891 Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-21 12:09:10 EDT, you write: << btw, did u c the sylvian/fripp/brook tour? >> Sounds like and interesting Trio! Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2997 Re: TD-Digest #891 TWeibre361@a... Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB 3076 Re: TD-Digest #891 Francisco Salgado C. Fri 4/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 3:26 am Subject: Re: Bonn concert report Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-21 12:21:51 EDT, you write: << .............people were nagging around about that they wanted Linda back...sometimes you just can't win. Dennis >> What do you mean 'sometimes', how about 'you can't _ever_ win!' That is more like it. What did Aesop say? 'If you try to please everybody, you end up pleasing nobody.' Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 3:28 am Subject: Re: Live Cast Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-21 12:16:28 EDT, you write: << As I said in my previous post, the sound quality of the Live Cast was similar to AM (medium wave) radio broadcast, thus no hi-fi at all. But the previous version of Real Audio (2.0) was much worse. In the TD Live Cast there was a couple of additional problems - a 50Hz buzz all over the transmission (only noticeable on quietest parts), a >> I read your report just after I posted my question, Antonio. Thanks for the re-run anyway. In fact, thank you to everyone for the various bits of information I picked up. It was all quite enlightening, and much as I expected. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 3:25 am Subject: Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) - More on loud - No TD Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-21 14:06:04 EDT, you write: << However, this kind >of thing is characteristic of Pink Floyd. . . . . . . >> Speaking of PF; it brings to mind my last, and I do mean _last_, concert sojourn to Milwaukee, Wisconsin. The PF Division Bell Tour. I stood 20 feet from the stage for the whole show, even after I started getting heavy distortion in one ear (with earplugs). It took me over a year and a half to completely recover from this one. I'm very careful about loud music now. 'Huh, wha-ja-say?' Great concert, though; that one? Sometimes I can still hear it. There it is again. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2999 Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) - More on TWeibre361@a... Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 3:27 am Subject: Re: Franke-fan devotion rating Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-21 04:09:25 EDT, you write: << And then there's (name?) oh rats, I forget his name, but he's in charge of Chris' operations over in Germany. And... and then there's... errrr.. oh never mind! -Elana (Chris Franke's somewhere-in-the-top-twenty most devoted fan! ;) >> Thank you for the info, Elana. Interesting stuff. I wonder what number fan I am? Somewhere in the four or five digits, I presume. BTW, you mention 'operations in Germany'; what is this exactly? I thought he had transplanted to the US completely> Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 6:58 am Subject: Re: adam eve; concert review Really-From: Mark Filipak Lars R. Jones wrote: > > Dreamers > OK, here goes my attempt at a concert 'review' for the Amsterdam > Concert on Sunday the 21 April at the Melkweg Max. Another great review comes from Mr.Jones. Thank you Lars for 'taking me there.' > > ... Marcel even got to give Edgar a copy of his own CD; Edgar seemed > interested too; he really was nice and promised he would listen to it > and get back to him. Smooth move Marcel! Your Free System Projekt CD is wonderful and I'm sure Edgar will be asking you to join the band. ;-) > ... (BTW, I see it says Oasis was 'composed, performed and recorded > other changes (adding in the das maedchen redux dance mix etc) also. Oh please Lars, what does that missing line say? > ... If this is the 'new direction' and if Oasis is part of this, I > REALLY REALLY like it! It seemed as if Edgar was much more a part > of this than at the Bush ... He's baaaaack. (Goody!) > ... I can't say much more because I only got a few hours of sleep > after the concert and I'm totally exhausted. Thanks Lars for service above and beyond the call of duty. It joins a legion of great reveiws from the prior shows by many other loyal reporters. Reading these reviews is almost as good as being there. ;-) Really, I thank you all. I hope to repay your work in the fall (oh please, may it happen). -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 22, 1997 3:08 pm Subject: Increased web site traffic Really-From: RHill@T... Now you can register your Web Page in over 550 Internet indexes for only $249.00 and watch your traffic soar! The Central Registry has helped thousands of sites like yours greatly improve the performance of their Web Page. 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Most importantly, > what was the name of the bootleg? It's one of the encores on the Sonambulistic (sic) Imagery double CD. From 1986, this boot is from Laguna Hills, and is on Blue Moon records, BM-5/BM-6 (different numbers for each disc). Hope this helps, NP : Tycho Brahe - Lightwave --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 8:20 am Subject: stamps Really-From: 'oncica bogdan' Hello, My name is Oncica Bogdan. I work as computer programmer at SIDEX SA, GALATI, ROMANIA ,one of the most important integrated iron and steel plants in EE (www.elia.eu.com/sidex.htm). There was a time when stamps where my greatest hobby,but not anymore. I am interested now only in electronic rock music.I still have my stamp albums which cover different areas and contain some old and valuable things too.I have some old postcards and paper money too. If you know somebody interested I am ready to trade them for music compact discs (covering electronic music;not necesarily new,but playable) which are very hard to be found here in Romania . You will have only to tell the amount of series (and the area of interest) you consider to be send for one pice of audio CD and I do the first step. My favourite groups or musicians are (descending order of interest); 1. TANGERINE DREAM 2. VANGELIS 3. ANDREAS VOLLENWEIDER 4. KLAUS SCHULZE,KRAFTWERK,KITARO,JEAN MICHEL JARRE,YES,PINK FLOYD ... Plase send an answer soon. Yours sincerely, Oncica Bogdan SIDEX SA-CENTRU CALCUL Str. Smardan 1 6200 GALATI, ROMANIA Tel & Fax: 4036431671 E-mail: sidexspr@e... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3000 Re: stamps Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 8:47 am Subject: Re: Concert photos Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) >Really-From: stephan bischoff > > >Hi folks, > >I uploaded some scans of photos I did at the hamburg gig to my website. nice pictures... I now see why people have been making comments about the lighting rig - it does seem to be aimed right at the audience. Thanks Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 9:19 am Subject: Fw: stamps Really-From: 'oncica bogdan' Hello, My name is Oncica Bogdan. I work as computer programmer at SIDEX SA, GALATI, ROMANIA ,one of the most important integrated iron and steel plants in EE (www.elia.eu.com/sidex.htm). There was a time when stamps where my greatest hobby,but not anymore. I am interested now only in electronic rock music.I still have my stamp albums which cover different areas and contain some old and valuable things too.I have some old postcards and paper money too. If you know somebody interested I am ready to trade them for music compact discs (covering electronic music;not necesarily new,but playable) which are very hard to be found here in Romania . You will have only to tell the amount of series (and the area of interest) you consider to be send for one pice of audio CD and I do the first step. My favourite groups or musicians are (descending order of interest); 1. TANGERINE DREAM 2. VANGELIS 3. ANDREAS VOLLENWEIDER 4. KLAUS SCHULZE,KRAFTWERK,KITARO,JEAN MICHEL JARRE,YES,PINK FLOYD ... Plase send an answer soon. Yours sincerely, Oncica Bogdan SIDEX SA-CENTRU CALCUL Str. Smardan 1 6200 GALATI, ROMANIA Tel & Fax: 4036431671 E-mail: sidexspr@e... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 9:29 am Subject: 30th anniversary Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Subject: ideas? >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >In September, when Tangerine Dream will celebrate its 30th >anniversary, wouldn't it be great to give him something on >behalf of this list. As a sort of thanks for all the great music. > >I was thinking of a CD (or 2CD) composed by musicians of >this list (new tracks or ones that you like best) , something >like the Network-tape but then on CD(R). I think this is a FAN-TASTIC idea but what about us inept/non-musicians? what are we to do? can you/anyone come up with an idea for us too?? :-) please don't leave us out... thanks Lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2968 Re: 30th anniversary Grant Middleton Wed 4/23/1997 3 KB 2969 Re: 30th anniversary Plumer, Scott Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB 2970 Re: 30th anniversary Craig R. J. Cordrey Wed 4/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 9:30 am Subject: lady greengrass/love of mine Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers I recently got the CD 'The Star-Club Singles Complete, Vol. 12 that contains The One's 'Lady Greengrass'/'Love of Mine' (The Hamburg Sound 842 544-2) -- I've been dying to hear these for so long!!! Like, wow, this is cool daddy-O! I can dig it! I **highly recommend** this for all hard core TD fans! |-) BTW for those of you who didn't know, it is nothing like any other TD except for a couple of twangy beatnik guitar chords in 'Love of Mine' that remind me of EM etc. -- Edgar was the guitarist for this group but only gets composition credit on 'Love of Mine.' I would definitely buy the vinyl of this if I ever had the chance! On the front there is a small reproduction of the single's cover on which it says prominently in 60s lettering: 'Music for Hippies' The first track might be called a 'be-in' (eg: 'stone-in') the second might be called a 'love-in' (eg 'sex-in') 'Lady Greengrass' is definitely about pyschodelia and may give some clue as to the origin of TD's name (despite the fact that we have recently heard that 'Tangerine Dream' was also the name of an album--what remains to be determined is *why* and *how* the band's name came about and what sort of meaning it has) take, for example, these essential lyrics that open the song: She lifts her dress and floats to dreamland-- makes love to the sky. She let's her hair hang down as the weeds go 'round Lady Greengrass. Puff, the grass turns tangerine [in verse 2 it's '... the trees turn tangerine'] Puff, the sky is suddenly green; her eyes reveal her state of mind; she's beginning to fly. -- the whole song is about getting stoned/tripping and there are some definite connections with the Beatles 'Lucy in the Sky' ('tangerine trees' in particular) both in structure and wording; one can see where 'tangerine dream' might have come from since 'tangerine' and 'green' are the only colors that are mentioned and the song is framed by floating 'to dreamland'... Lady Greengrass is, of course, partly a personification of the 'demon' weed (although I think she was at the A'dam concert too...) hell, they even use the word 'groovy' |-) I haven't heard that in Ages! 'Love of Mine' is more of the beatnik groove scene daddy-o--dig it? there's even a raunchy sax!!! do-do-dooby-do-wat and it leaves me wondering whether I should light up or get down... take these 'essential' lyrics: [sax] do-do-dooby-do-wat [sax] do-do-dooby-do-wat Your skirt's so short that your thighs are showing (sax: do-do-dooby-do-wat) you move so fine it gets me going (sax: do-do-dooby-do-wat ) that mole on your butt makes me lose my mind [*at least that what it sounds like he is saying!*] you're everything baby, you're so divine. (without the music, it reads like conservative rap, doesn't it?) Well, those two themes, dope and sex, sum up the 60s--what else can one say about the 60s? (flame time!) I'd give these a 4as but I'm not sure why, maybe cause I can dig them! Lars (daddy cool) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2996 Re: lady greengrass/love of mine dbrewer@a... Wed 4/23/1997 3 KB 3005 Re: lady greengrass/love of mine Mark Filipak Thu 4/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 9:29 am Subject: concert single Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers This corrects some information in Jens' previous post: BTW As Marcel seemed to have discovered, they are not selling the singles in numerical order; mine are numbered in the mid 2900s but Armin, who was at the Bonn concert, told me he had a number in the 3,000s. I saw them loading this stuff on the band bus after the show and the cargo hold was virtually empty and I think they put 4 double boxs of CDs in there (that includes oasis and GC) so I don't think many are left at all. I agree with Marcel, they were selling fast--especially after the show, the booth was jammed! -- this is the 'limited edition Promotional CD Single-- not a 12'; only 1,000 copies -- DAS MADCHEN AUF DER TREPPE (97 Remix) [Feb 1997] - EF/JF -- should say '[March 1997]' 1- Das Madchen auf der Treppe (Rien Ne Va Plus - Radio Edit) [4:06] -- this should say 'Maedchen on the stairs (Rien ne va plus - sunset radio mix)' (SIC!!--there is NO umlaut!) (they use capital letters only on Maedchen and Rien on all titles) 2- Das Madchen auf der Treppe (Rien Ne Va Plus - Long Version) [6:55] -- this should say 'Maedchen on the stairs (Rien ne va plus - **SUNRISE** club mix)' 3- Das Madchen auf der Treppe [3.50] (original ver; SBM remastered) Limited edition of 1000. 1-12' Tracks: Side 1: ? / Side 2: ? [1997] ???... (??) ???... -- no 12' that I am aware of, only CD singles 1-CD [1997] Virgin (DE) ???... (promo) ------------------ -- this is the tour single, it is labelled 'Limited World Tour Edition 1997' (TDI005CD) and a limited edition of 5,000; by my visual estimates only a **few** hundred of these remain to be sold... (EURO-TOUR 97) [Feb 1997] - EF/JF -- this should say 'World Tour' and '[March 1997]' 1- Das Madchen auf der Treppe (Rien Ne Va Plus - Radio Edit) [4:06] -- this should say 'Maedchen on the stairs (Rien ne va plus - sunset radio mix)' 2- Das Madchen auf der Treppe (Rien Ne Va Plus - Long Version) [6:55] -- this should say 'Maedchen on the stairs (Rien ne va plus - **sunrise** club mix)' -- THIS is the version that is being played as the first encore at the concerts (well at least at a'dam) 3- Order of the Ginger Gild [9:05] their capitalization 'Order of the ginger gild' -- BTW my position on the word 'Gild' is that it is a misspelling of 'Guild' since the other titles are in 'Deutsch-lish' ('Maedchen on the stairs'!!) they did this also with the Shepherd's Bush T-shirts which said something like 'By Edgar *und* Jerome Froese' Limited edition of 5,000. 1-CD [1997] ???... (??) ???... Mark, sorry I forget your format here TDI005CD EF/JF Eastgate Studios Berlin, March 1997; the stuff Jens transcribed from the insert was correct. Also, thank God they put this one in a jewel case and not in those crappy cardboard single envelopes that the Dreamtime, Rockoon CD5 and the Bush CDs came in!!! Hope this helps!! Lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 9:25 am Subject: Re: 30th anniversary Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > I think this is a FAN-TASTIC idea but what about us inept/non-musicians? > what are we to do? can you/anyone come up with an idea for us too?? :-) > please don't leave us out... > > thanks > Lars How about a glossy booklet, along the lines of the 'Tangents' insert ? Anyone with artistic ability could make pictures inspired by certain TD tracks or actually pictorial representations of the music. How about fan-created alternative album covers ? Also, how about some passages of text about personal TD experiences over the years, whether it was a concert visit, an album which reflects a certain period of your life, etc ? This opens up possibilities to those who can't write music or create pictures. If I was Edgar, I think I'd be delighted with such a gift. >From the practical point of view, we'd need an editor and someone dedicated to the layout and printing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 12:14 pm Subject: RE: 30th anniversary Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I think this is a FAN-TASTIC idea but what about us inept/non-musicians? >what are we to do? can you/anyone come up with an idea for us too?? :-) >please don't leave us out... Perhaps we could make some music like Electronic Meditation. :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 8:10 pm Subject: Re: 30th anniversary Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > How about a glossy booklet, along the lines of the 'Tangents' insert ? This sounds like a good idea. Lots of people on this list enjoy the colourful way in which members review concerts/albums or describe earth-shattering changes in their lives as a result of TD's music. > If I was Edgar, I think I'd be delighted with such a gift. > > From the practical point of view, we'd need an editor and someone > dedicated to the layout and printing. I take it this is from the layout point of view, primarily? I suppose real 'editing' would only be required if there were too many entries. Is this a goer? Any volunteers for 'Editor'? N.P. - Sequences No. 17 - Various Artists --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 2:22 pm Subject: Shepherd's Bush CD Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Could someone give me a track list w/ running times of the Shepherd's Bush CD? What is the actual title of this thing? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2975 Re: Shepherd's Bush CD TangerineC@a... Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB 3008 Re: Shepherd's Bush CD Christian von_Toerne Thu 4/24/1997 2 KB 3020 Re: Shepherd's Bush CD TangerineC@a... Thu 4/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 3:13 pm Subject: Re: ideas? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-21 15:14:26 EDT, you write: << In September, when Tangerine Dream will celebrate its 30th anniversary, wouldn't it be great to give him something on behalf of this list. As a sort of thanks for all the great music. Or is this just one of my crazy ideas? Suggestions? Marcel >> How about a lifetime subscription to 'Beyond The Horizon' ;-) Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 2:18 pm Subject: Increased web site traffic Really-From: gilmore@g... TA>Really-From: RHill@T... TA>Now you can register your Web Page in over 550 Internet indexes for only TA>$249.00 and watch your traffic soar! TA>The Central Registry has helped thousands of sites like yours greatly [Lots of crap about web sites cut out] PLEASE PLEASE do not respond to this ad. It is a scam that has been making the e-mail rounds. I read an article about this particular 'company' in Macweek Online a little while ago, which had a link to a site about email scams - very informative. I don't remember the address offhand, unfortunately, but if anyone's interested I could track it down. Sorry for the off-topic post. Graham Gilmore /**********************************************************/ /* Mirabel */ /* gilmore@g... */ /* */ /* Sent from The GameMaster */ /**********************************************************/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 4:07 pm Subject: Re[2]: ideas? Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > How about a lifetime subscription to 'Beyond The Horizon' ;-) Hey! HEY! Wiseass! Calling the kettle black, B. 'Pot' Kirby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2984 Re: Re[2]: ideas? (BTH bag) Rakinik Intertype Wed 4/23/1997 3 KB 2992 Re: ideas? Brian_Kirby@p... Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB 3003 Re: Re[2]: ideas? Vic Rek Thu 4/24/1997 2 KB 3036 Re: Re[2]: ideas? PNaunton@a... Fri 4/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 4:08 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush CD Really-From: TangerineC@a... Elenor Rigby Ying yang and the Tangram Seal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3008 Re: Shepherd's Bush CD Christian von_Toerne Thu 4/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: hearing Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >Kleenex tissue will block only some part of the frequency spectrum, >namly a part which makes you think you lowered the volume. However, some >frequencies go through with full intensity (!) causing maybe even more >damage because your brain thinks there is less and opens your >perception. > >Some semiprofessional blues guitarist told me that. Armin, I'd underline the _semi_ ;-). Everything besides the start of the second sentence is bullshit. >The other factor is digital music; they are not >cramming so much density and range into the same frequencies that it is >effectively 'louder' than analog even at lower volumes. Lars, replace 'besides' with 'including' in above reply ;-) Seriously, I think it's ok to discuss the volume at TD concerts, but unfounded heresay about _how_ hearing damage happens is below our level. -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Re: Franke-fan devotion rating Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) ><< And then there's (name?) oh rats, I forget his name, but he's in >charge of Chris' operations over in Germany. And... and then there's... >errrr.. oh never mind! You mean Udo Langner, right ? >Thank you for the info, Elana. Interesting stuff. I wonder what number >fan I am? Somewhere in the four or five digits, I presume. BTW, you >mention 'operations in Germany'; what is this exactly? I thought he had >transplanted to the US completely> Udo does some promotion and distribution (and fan contacts...) Chris still owns his studio in Berlin and works with an orchestra there for his soundtracks, via modem, though... -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: (amb) ambient hair care? Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >I was wandering through a natural food store, in the cosmetic section, >and i found some hair conditioner with Tangerine Dream in the name... I >can't help but wonder if the band is aware of this, or if the company >had no idea they were using the same name as a band... While this is funny trivia, be aware that trademarks (like band names) can only be registred for a certain type of product or range of products. What would we all call the glassed holes in our walls if Bill Gates really _owned_ that name once and forever ;-) -klaus- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2987 Re: (amb) ambient hair care? Plumer, Scott Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB 2990 Re: (amb) ambient hair care? Brian_Kirby@p... Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB 3019 Re: (amb) ambient hair care? TangerineC@a... Thu 4/24/1997 2 KB 3022 Re: (amb) ambient hair care? Sean Montgomery Thu 4/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: ideas ? Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) No offense intended, but the CD idea reminds me of the contraptions some parents have to endure in their living rooms because the kid's so proud of what it's made at art class ;-) And if some people decide to folk out money to celebrate TD's 30th birthday, I wouldn't spend it for memorabilia but donate it for a good cause and just let them know... The 'Hall of Fame' idea sounds good, but if I ran that Hall, the last people I'd allow to nominate a band would be it's fans... Hall would be too small too soon ;-) -klaus- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2985 Re: ideas ? Sean Montgomery Wed 4/23/1997 3 KB 2988 Re: ideas ? Plumer, Scott Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB 3001 Re: ideas ? TangerineC@a... Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB 3009 Re: ideas ? Craig R. J. Cordrey Thu 4/24/1997 2 KB 3010 Re: ideas ? Grant Middleton Thu 4/24/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Bonn Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >Merchandising: is it true that these two ladies doing the merchandising >are Monique and Anja????? I don't know about Bonn, but at the other concerts it was Anja, but _not_ Monika... 'Monique' is her artist's name. -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: ROB ESSERS Really-From: chris_horn@t... (Chris Horn) Hello, just a short notice about a musician who could be interesting for all TANGERINE DREAM enthusiasts, his name is ROB ESSERS and he released already two great CD's titled RAINCOLOURS and the latest one A LIZARDS WALK. This is THE music TD would make if Mr Franke has never left the group! Have a look at his nice homepage to get some more information: http://acon.nl/~qlight/Robertl.html Dream On Chris Horn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2998 Re: ROB ESSERS Chris Horn Wed 4/23/1997 4 KB 3037 Re: ROB ESSERS PNaunton@a... Fri 4/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 4:48 pm Subject: 'The Blob' & Book Errors Really-From: Vic Rek Can anyone confirm that 'The Blob' soundtrack by Michael Hoenig was released. 'Voices in the Dunes' states that it was released on CD. I have never seen a copy or had anybody confirm that they own or have seen a copy of this. AND please don't tell me to look it up in the FAQ. But for sake of discussion I did look in 'http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/artists/t/tangerine.dream/discog.solo' under Michael Hoenig and I didn't see it listed. Is this another error in 'Voices in the Dunes'? Maybe the Majordomo 'Welcome to Tadream' FAQ post should have a corrections section to 'Voices in the Dunes' so some of us don't go on wild goose chases. So anyway, anybody have this? I don't think it exists. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2986 Re: 'The Blob' & Book Errors Rakinik Intertype Wed 4/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 4:53 pm Subject: Re: ideas? Really-From: Vic Rek At 11:13 AM 4/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... -snip- > Or is this just one of my crazy ideas? Suggestions? > > Marcel >> > How about a lifetime subscription to 'Beyond The Horizon' ;-) >Phil Naunton > I think this (ref. to BtH) is uncalled for and I don't see any humor in this. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Re[2]: ideas? (BTH bag) Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype' That would be nice with the exception that BTH is now a TD flunkie zine. The only articles are about the obscure people who played a couple times or so with TD....or they're about Klaus who probably still uses lead weights to put on his keys for long droning sequences that are uninspired at best. If BTH wants to be a great zine it needs to get back to TD and the musicians that formed the band, not played with them one year once while Peter or Chris were away. I mean, it's nice to know what Klaus Krieger is up to briefly but come on....less of Klaus, Klaus, Steve, and even Hoenig...who shouldn't even count or be mentioned. regards, Dano ---------- > > Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... > > > >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > > How about a lifetime subscription to 'Beyond The Horizon' ;-) > > Hey! HEY! > > Wiseass! > > Calling the kettle black, > B. 'Pot' Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 5:13 pm Subject: Re: ideas ? Really-From: Sean Montgomery > No offense intended, but the CD idea reminds me of the contraptions > some parents have to endure in their living rooms because the > kid's so proud of what it's made at art class ;-) LOL!! Klaus, you tell it like it is! I have hesitated to comment on the whole 30th anniversary thing, because I doubt the band is especially interested in marking the occasion. If anything, I think a nice card would do. I haven't heard the Network 388 tape, and these remarks should not be construed as a judgment on the quality of the music on it. I just think that the band's office has been receiving tapes from their fans for years, and I don't think that giving them more for the sake of an anniversary is the best route. I quite like Klaus' charity donation proposal. I'd sign on for something like that. > The 'Hall of Fame' idea sounds good, but if I ran that Hall, > the last people I'd allow to nominate a band would be it's fans... Yes, we'd have Motley Crue and Michael Bolton in there by now if that were the case.... Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Think Global, Act Loco!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: 'The Blob' & Book Errors Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype' The Blob was NEVER released on CD. Matt made a mistake. If it were I'd know about it. I work for a soundtrack producer and have access to virtually all the CD soundtrack listing release archives ever. I challenge anyone to produce a copy of this infamous CD. Dano ---------- > Really-From: Vic Rek > > > Can anyone confirm that 'The Blob' soundtrack by Michael Hoenig was released. > 'Voices in the Dunes' states that it was released on CD. I have never seen > a copy or had anybody confirm that they own or have seen a copy of this. > > AND please don't tell me to look it up in the FAQ. > But for sake of discussion I did look in > 'http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/artists/t/tangerine.dream/discog.solo' > under Michael Hoenig and I didn't see it listed. Is this another error in > 'Voices in the Dunes'? Maybe the Majordomo 'Welcome to Tadream' FAQ post > should have a corrections section to 'Voices in the Dunes' so some of us > don't go on wild goose chases. > > So anyway, anybody have this? I don't think it exists. > Vic > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 6:27 pm Subject: RE: (amb) ambient hair care? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>I was wandering through a natural food store, in the cosmetic section, >>and i found some hair conditioner with Tangerine Dream in the name... I >>can't help but wonder if the band is aware of this, or if the company >>had no idea they were using the same name as a band... > >While this is funny trivia, be aware that trademarks (like band names) >can only be registred for a certain type of product or range of >products. What would we all call the glassed holes in our walls if >Bill Gates really _owned_ that name once and forever ;-) According to US common law, common words can be registered trademarks only for the type of product it is used for. I could not write a program and call it 'Windows.' 'Tangerine Dream,' on the other hand, is not so common, and they may have a case against them. That's for the courts to decide, though. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 6:38 pm Subject: Re: ideas ? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> The 'Hall of Fame' idea sounds good, but if I ran that Hall, >> the last people I'd allow to nominate a band would be it's fans... >Yes, we'd have Motley Crue and Michael Bolton in there by now if that were >the case.... Well maybe, but I think you could argue that TD has had more of an influence on rock and roll and popular music than either of these will ever dream of having. I think TD could be a serious contender. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 6:32 pm Subject: I got it! Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I just came up with a great idea for a way to commemorate TD's 30th anniversary: First there was 'Cherry Garcia,' then came 'Phish Food' now - Tangerine Dream! Ben & Jerry's latest ice cream flavor! Vanilla ice cream with chunks of tangerine! Sounds tasty. The band's image or logo could be featured on the lid, and they could donate the royalties to a charity of their choice, perhaps the Foundation for Tinnitus-Afflicted TD Fans. (With Phish Food, the band Phish is featured on the lid, and they're donating their royalties from the sale to cleanup Lake Champlain.) Oh wait. Ed's a vegetarian. Do you suppose he eats dairy products? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2991 Re: I got it! Gabe Yedid Wed 4/23/1997 2 KB 3018 Re: I got it! TangerineC@a... Thu 4/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 4:55 pm Subject: Re: (amb) ambient hair care? Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >While this is funny trivia, be aware that trademarks (like band names) >can only be registred for a certain type of product or range of >products. What would we all call the glassed holes in our walls if >Bill Gates really _owned_ that name once and forever ;-) Um...how 'bout 'Transparent Glass Wall Aperture Coverings,' or 'TG-WAC' for short? 'The eyes are the TG-WAC of the soul.' Yeah, that's pretty phat. -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 7:24 pm Subject: Re: I got it! Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > > Oh wait. Ed's a vegetarian. Do you suppose he eats dairy products? > > Scott That depends, is he vegan or lacto-ovo? Gabe who'd go for such an ice cream any time From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 6:44 pm Subject: Re[2]: ideas? Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: Vic Rek >> How about a lifetime subscription to 'Beyond The Horizon' ;-) >I think this (ref. to BtH) is uncalled for and I don't see any humor in this. I don't know, I thought it was funny. I think Phil meant it to be facetious, which is how I read it. Of course, just to be safe, I'm going to have to kill him. Sorry, Phil. -B. Kirby BtH 'Public Relations' Representative From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 6:52 pm Subject: Re[4]: ideas? (BTH bag) Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype' >That would be nice with the exception that BTH is now a TD flunkie zine. I think you may have missed Phil's meaning (see previous post), as BtH is currently on par with a case of the runs at TaDream Productions. Which, I think, would kind of explain some of the problems you listed. Persona non grata, B. Kirby PS - What, the mini-interview with Paul didn't count? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 5:42 pm Subject: idea/ Network 388 Volume 2? Really-From: jeffrey@i... Marcel and 'List' I think this is a great idea. I would love to contribute a snew ong - if there is room or if we didn't send the original Network tape. What I also think would be great is to do a second Network tape or better yet CD that besides being sent to TD but could be distributed to the list as the original one. It seems that there are alot more musicians on the list than when we did the original cassette. Im really glad that most people really liked the casette. The initial response was a tad slow but recently over the past two months the demand has really picked up. I will be mailing out the next batch of cassette at the end of the week - sorry for the recent delay. Jeff From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 8:28 pm Subject: Re: ideas? Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-04-22 22:55:19 EDT, you write: << They've always seen themselves as a rock band, and they deserve to be in there more than Carl Jerkins or Cruddy Holly. >> are u purposely attempting to ignite a flame war or were u just not thinking? imo, this is kinda unnecessary, and i would assume u realize that...i mean, u are of course entitled 2 a semi-educated opinion, but to denegrate people just for the hell of it is pretty low...please, for the sake of unnecessary warfare (and wasted bandwidth), desist with this kinda bs...thanks.... tom w np: valis II From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 8:49 pm Subject: Re: lady greengrass/love of mine Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > I recently got the CD 'The Star-Club Singles Complete, Vol. 12 that > contains The One's 'Lady Greengrass'/'Love of Mine' (The Hamburg Sound 842 > 544-2) -- I've been dying to hear these for so long!!! > Like, wow, this is cool daddy-O! I can dig it! I **highly recommend** this > for all hard core TD fans! |-) LOL! Ohhh man. That was very interesting, Lars! I bet if you mention these songs to Herr Froese, he'd probably turn red as a beet. Those lyrics are just too much! What's the best is that they were probably SERIOUS about them when they wrote them! Just reading these lyrics makes me want to grow my goatee out, put on a black beret and dark shades, sit in the corner of some coffee bar with my bongos, spouting improv poetry in a totally beaniked-out voice. I'm not jivin', brother! I'm hip to ya, man! I can dig it... Deeeep... Dave 'Bongo' Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 8:55 pm Subject: Re: TD-Digest #891 Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-04-23 01:18:10 EDT, you write: << << btw, did u c the sylvian/fripp/brook tour? >> Sounds like and interesting Trio! >> yeah...it really was...actually it was billed as sylvian and fripp, with michael brook as the opening act, which he did , and then supported sylvian, fripp, mastoletto (sp?) and trey gunn...powerful stuff.... tom w np: valis II From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 8:53 pm Subject: Re: ROB ESSERS the correct URL is http://www.acon.nl/~qlight/Robert1.html ---- From: tadream mailing list To: tadream@cs.uwp.edu Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 7:04 PM Subject: ROB ESSERS Really-From: chris_horn@t-online.de (Chris Horn) Hello, just a short notice about a musician who could be interesting for all TANGERINE DREAM enthusiasts, his name is ROB ESSERS and he released already two great CD's titled RAINCOLOURS and the latest one A LIZARDS WALK. This is THE music TD would make if Mr Franke has never left the group! Have a look at his nice homepage to get some more information: http://acon.nl/~qlight/Robertl.html Dream On Chris Horn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 9:02 pm Subject: Re: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) - More on loud - No TD Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-04-23 01:18:11 EDT, you write: << Speaking of PF; it brings to mind my last, and I do mean _last_, concert sojourn to Milwaukee, Wisconsin. >> where'd they play? county stadium? or in that wierd outdoor place by the lake? tom w From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 4:15 pm Subject: Re: stamps Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 11:20 AM 4/23/97 +0300, you wrote: >Really-From: 'oncica bogdan' > > > >Hello, > > My name is Oncica Bogdan. I work as computer programmer at SIDEX SA, >GALATI, ROMANIA ,one of the most important integrated iron and steel plants in >EE (www.elia.eu.com/sidex.htm). > > There was a time when stamps where my greatest hobby,but not anymore. [.....] Bine-ai venit. Noroc si numai bine, Andrew