From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 10:04 pm Subject: Re: ideas ? Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-04-23 15:52:34 EDT, you write: >And if some people decide to folk out money to celebrate TD's >30th birthday, I wouldn't spend it for memorabilia but donate >it for a good cause and just let them know... > > I agree. Let's tell Edgar how we all eat Veggie Burgers now instead of real meat to save some cows life. That'll make him proud. :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 11:53 pm Subject: What's up with the list? Really-From: Rich Maggio I received NO mail today from the list. Is it down? It seems rather odd especially with all of the traffic as of late. Rich Maggio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 12:40 am Subject: Re: Re[2]: ideas? Really-From: Vic Rek At 02:44 PM 4/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... > >I don't know, I thought it was funny. I think Phil meant it to be facetious, >which is how I read it. > >Of course, just to be safe, I'm going to have to kill him. Sorry, Phil. I'm sorry Brian. I was just being too serious. I get the humor now, but I would spare Phil unless he snatched that 'Ultima Thule' copy from the used bin right under my nose! VR From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 2:18 am Subject: RE: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd) Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > their > >>previous laurels (repeating all of _Dark Side of the Moon_ on > _Pulse_???). > > >Actually, Pink Floyd was being innovative; By replaying a whole album on stage? > it was the first time in 20 > >years that they'd played _Dark Side_ in its entirety. I assure you the > >fans loved it. > > We did. Actually, it was refreshing to hear it in its entirety, because > on the earlier leg of their '94 tour, and on their '87 - '89 tour they > only played a few songs from it, and not in the order in which they > appear on the album. Kinda defeats the purpose of a concept album, > doesn't it? Another thing I'll give them credit for is that they breathe > (no pun intended) new life into their old tunes. Something which TD > doesn't quite do, IMHO. It seems like they play album stuff note for > note from the albums, and don't change them at all. They might as well > just play the CD and just mime playing! > > Scott Ok Scott, how about: --86 versions of 'Ride On The Ray', 'Scuba Scuba', 'Underwater Twilight', 'Dolphin Dance', 'Stratosfear', 'Zen Garden', 'Yellowstone Park' (need I go on?)--all either different (and in many cases better than) the album versions; 'Dolphin Dance' and 'ROTR' were in dynamite extended versions (well, as dynamite as it can get, I suppose) --'Betrayal' and 'Diamond Diary' at Berlin '87: much grittier and more 'physical' than their original versions. --'Phaedra '88' ('c'mon, you're not telling me you can get that D-50 to REALLY sound like a Moog!!') --the testimony of the list folks have have seen the Euro shows, who have said that the vintage tracks being played on the tour are NOT the same as the album versions or the ones at the Bush. Which still does not answer my original question, anyway. This thread wasn't really about Floyd, it was about why is TD doing so much vintage stuff NOW compared to what they've done in the past when tour time came? Does the fact that it's their 30th anniversary have anything to do with it? That the planning for this tour seemed a bit rushed (i.e. no time to do another set of new pieces like 1992)--in November they were saying 'there'll be no tour', and what made 'em change their minds? That just ONCE, Edgar gave in to what the fans might want to hear? and I will never forget this comment I heard from my Frosh group leader in 1994, who'd seen PF on the Division Bell tour: 'The *show* was awesome. But the *music* SUCKED!' ;) Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 3:10 am Subject: Re: lady greengrass/love of mine Really-From: Mark Filipak Lars R. Jones wrote: > > ... Well, those two themes, dope and sex, sum up the 60s--what else > can one say about the 60s? (flame time!) > > I'd give these a 4as but I'm not sure why, maybe cause I can dig them! Err, because you have a certain affinity for the messages (or is that too obvious)? Dave 'Bongo' Brewer wrote: > > ... Just reading these lyrics makes me want to grow my goatee out, > put on a black beret and dark shades, sit in the corner of some > coffee bar with my bongos, spouting improv poetry in a totally > beaniked-out voice. ... not anywhen in the 60s. We hippies were pretty contemptuous of the beatniks for their lack of a plan for change and their lack of action. They dropped out. We tried to create an alternate reality. The seeds of change in the US were sown by Mario Salvo and the student free speech movement of 62 (pretty sure of the date) at the University of California, Berkeley. I never heard of a beatnik being arrested for anything other than herion addiction. As for the cause of the resurgence of 'hippy' culture in the 90s, I don't have a clue. 'And that's the way it was' -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 5:42 am Subject: Information on Quinoa CD availability Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) Hello, I have not received any mail from the mailing list for 2 days so I don't know if this information is new or not. I found while looking through the web a site address of: http://www.uprint.demon.co.uk It lists Quinoa as being available on CD for 15.00 I believe it's English pounds. It says that 300 were found in a vault in Germany just recently and are for sale. I hope this brings some luck to folks out there! Take care, Martyn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 7:37 am Subject: Really-From: ashok prema Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > I think this is a FAN-TASTIC idea but what about us inept/non-musicians? > what are we to do? can you/anyone come up with an idea for us too?? :-) > please don't leave us out... > > thanks > Lars >How about a glossy booklet, along the lines of the 'Tangents' insert ? >Anyone with artistic ability could make pictures inspired by certain >TD tracks or actually pictorial representations of the music. How a>bout fan-created alternative album covers ? >Also, how about some passages of text about personal TD experiences >over the years, whether it was a concert visit, an album which reflects >a certain period of your life, etc ? This opens up possibilities to t>hose who can't write music or create pictures. Grant Klaus reflects my sentiments exactly - a cd of list members music seems a trite self-indulgent - lets face it if the music doesn't lack professionalsim on at least some of the tracks - the production almost certainly will - why give a professional musician something which is not 100% professional?? Even as a tribute - we leave ourselves open to Edgar & Co thinking 'these fans complain of our new style and putting it under the microscope and look at the amateurish rubbish they produce' - even though Edgars too much of a gentleman to say so - I'm pretty certain, he'd feel it fair!. NO - the better idea is Grants - an brief essay our TD music experiences, how it has affected us - with perhaps a list of our top 3 albums. TD could utilise some of it in future concert progs - if nothing else - it will be an honest expression of our hearfelt thanks to TD. Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3073 ashok prema Fri 4/25/1997 5 KB 3101 Re: feldon@n... Sat 4/26/1997 5 KB 3262 oncica bogdan Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3265 Re: anunes@m... Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3671 Maurice G. Lafleur Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB 4295 ashok prema Wed 5/28/1997 5 KB 4303 Jay Dawes Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB 4705 Armin Theissen Fri 6/6/1997 2 KB 4726 Re: Marcel Engels Fri 6/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 7:42 am Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush CD Really-From: Christian von_Toerne > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > > Elenor Rigby > Ying yang and the Tangram Seal > It's 'Thief Yang And the Tangram Seal' (pun on 'Thief' and 'Tangram') Chris From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 3:49 pm Subject: Re: ideas ? Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > I agree. Let's tell Edgar how we all eat Veggie Burgers now instead of real > meat to save some cows life. That'll make him proud. :) > Naw, cos then some of us would be lying, wouldn't we? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 8:31 am Subject: Re: ideas ? Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: ashok prema > > Klaus reflects my sentiments exactly - a cd of list members music seems a > trite self-indulgent - lets face it if the music doesn't lack > professionalsim on at least some of the tracks - the production almost > certainly will - why give a professional musician something which is not > 100% professional?? Even as a tribute - we leave ourselves open to Edgar & > Co thinking 'these fans complain of our new style and putting it under the > microscope and look at the amateurish rubbish they produce' - even though > Edgars too much of a gentleman to say so - I'm pretty certain, he'd feel it > fair!. I think you'll find that most of the music the fans have produced is a lot better than much of TD's output, for the simple reason that TD made a lot of mistakes publically, and the fans don't go down those paths. Instead, they concentrate on the good bits and don't recreate the crap bits (I'm sure even Edgar would love to forget many of his 'weaker' moments). Also, fans can take months to produce a single track, whereas Edgar and co have an incredibly full schedule to run. As for production quality, the equipment available now to semi-pro and even amateur musicians is far superior to what was available in the '70s. Even a moderately powered PC can transform recorded music incredibly (noise removal, equalisation, compression, etc). > NO - the better idea is Grants - an brief essay our TD music > experiences, how it has affected us - with perhaps a list of our top 3 > albums. TD could utilise some of it in future concert progs - if nothing > else - it will be an honest expression of our hearfelt thanks to TD. > > Ash However, I would also go with the 'donation to charity' idea. I'm sure the Froeses would really appreciate this. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: RE: 'The Blob' & ***NO*** book errors Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (peter stoeferle) Hello Vic, hello Mailing List, >>> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >>> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:48:07 -0400 (EDT) >>> Subject: 'The Blob' & Book Errors >>> Really-From: Vic Rek >>> Can anyone confirm that 'The Blob' soundtrack by Michael Hoenig was >>> released. >>> 'Voices in the Dunes' states that it was released on CD. I have never seen >>> a copy or had anybody confirm that they own or have seen a copy of this. >>>So anybody have this? I don't think it exists. The CD *does* definitely exist, even if it is a real hard-to-find item. I have got a copy: 17 tracks, 39:15 mins. Order-No.: Filmtrax FUSD 103 (C) 1988 Filmtrax Holdings Inc./Tri Star Pictures Inc., 3808 Riverside Drive, Suite 408, Burbank, California 91505 >>> AND please don't tell me to look it up in the FAQ. >>> But for sake of discussion I did look in >>> 'http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/artists/t/tangerine.dream/discog.solo' >>> under Michael Hoenig and I didn't see it listed. Is this another error in >>> 'Voices in the Dunes'? So I am glad to tell you that this is not 'another error' in 'Voices' ;-) And I am very sorry, we cannot be held responsible for what has been filed in the FAQ or in any Internet music archives. Peter Stoeferle (author or 'Voices in the dunes') Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3026 Re: 'The Blob' & ***NO*** book errors Rakinik Intertype Thu 4/24/1997 3 KB 3100 Re: 'The Blob' & ***NO*** book errors Klaus Beschorner Sat 4/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 12:42 pm Subject: Today is... Really-From: spidey Hello Dreamers, Today is (April 24) my birthday! I know, I know, you're saying where's the TD content in that? But think about it. TD must have played live on this day at some point in their career! np-CoAE Tangerine Dream (Thanks Vic!) Oscar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3013 Re: Today is... Plumer, Scott Thu 4/24/1997 2 KB 3017 Re: Today is... Brian_Kirby@p... Thu 4/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 1:29 pm Subject: RE: Today is... Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Today is (April 24) my birthday! I know, I know, you're saying where's the >TD content in that? But think about it. TD must have played live on this >day at some point in their career! Happy Birthday! Sorry to disappoint you, but 1997 is the ONLY year in which they played on April 24th! They're playing tonight (well, this afternoon to me) in Prague, Czech Republic. Assuming they start at 8 p.m. local time, that would be 2 p.m. EDT. So if you hurry you might still be able to catch the show. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 1:32 pm Subject: Re: T. Dream Really-From: Michael A Jean Wow! You changed your name.... heehee Thanks for asking, but I wanted the CD (which you sent already)...I'll pass the message on to the tadream email list... On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Randar the Mindless Twit wrote: > We got in a copy of Towards the Evening Star in on vinyl. It's very pretty. > A blue slab with glittery things in it. Was it you who wanted a copy? If > so email and I'll ship that puppy off. > > Thank you, > Randy/RPM > > Visit http://rpmrecords.com > We have thousands of rare and import, cd's, lp's, laser discs. > > To order call toll free 1-888-2- RPM REC > Phone: 972-681-8441 > Fax: 972-681-9486 > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 2:33 pm Subject: Information on Quinoa CD Availability Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) Sorry folks, previously I sent out a bogus URL. This is the correct one: http://www.vprint.demon.co.uk/tadream/cd.htm It was late and I was tired, sorry for the inconvience. Besides Quinoa it lists, Tyranny Of Beauty, Rockoon, Dream Mixes, Turn Of The Tides for 9.99 (Dream Mixes is probably more) UK Pounds on the TDI label. Quinoa is 15 UK pounds, this is a bargain, so I hope everyone that want's one, can get a copy. The site takes credit cards, and also has toll free phone #'s to leave recording with them of mailing address @ credit card # if you rather do it that way. Hope this is of help, Martyn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3045 Re: Information on Quinoa CD Availability Andy Bloyce Fri 4/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 2:27 pm Subject: OFF: Rob Essers and other non-TD stuff Really-From: Craig Shipley I want to second Rob Essers' CD's as a 'must hear' for us TD fans, especially his latest 'A Lizards' Walk'. It is 51 minutes of great electronic music, with a definite vintage sound thrown in (intentionally, BTW). And don't miss out on his track 'Freefall' that he contributed to the EXCELLENT 'Mars Project Vol. 1'; this track reminds me of 'Silver Scale' and 'Diamond Diary' (which sound an awful lot alike, anyways...). Good stuff! Also, other synth musicians to check out: Optical Image, Waveshape, Lambert, Uwe Bausch, Dweller At The Threshold, Corporation, Merge, T-Bass, Tranceport, Andy Pickford, Michael Garrison, Hemisphere, Traumklang (and these are just the CD's laying around the CD player...) obCDPlayer: Hemisphere / Intruders Craig Shipley craigs@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 2:21 pm Subject: Re: Today is... Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: spidey >Today is (April 24) my birthday! How old are you now, how old are you now, how old are you Oscar, how old are you now? >TD must have played live on this day at some point in their career! If you wait long enough, someone will probably dig out 'VitD' and tell you which years. -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 4:20 pm Subject: Re: I got it! Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-04-23 19:17:34 EDT, you write: >First there was 'Cherry Garcia,' then came 'Phish Food' now - Tangerine >Dream! Ben & Jerry's latest ice cream flavor! Vanilla ice cream with >chunks of tangerine! Sounds tasty. This is an excellent idea. For now though, i'll have to stir it up at home until it comes out. Hopefully soon. Hey, Let's all write to Ben and Jerry's about his great idea! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 4:37 pm Subject: Re: (amb) ambient hair care? Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-04-23 21:44:08 EDT, you write: >>I was wandering through a natural food store, in the cosmetic section, >>and i found some hair conditioner with Tangerine Dream in the name... I've seen it too. And i've also seen it as a cleansing bar with the name Tangerine Dream proudly displayed on the box it comes in. The color of the box is also Tangerine. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3022 Re: (amb) ambient hair care? Sean Montgomery Thu 4/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 4:34 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush CD Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-04-24 03:46:08 EDT, you write: >It's 'Thief Yang And the Tangram Seal' (pun on 'Thief' and 'Tangram') > > oops!!!!! Made a mistake sorry. Was'nt thinking when I wrote. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 4:40 pm Subject: Re: Increased web site traffic Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-04-23 21:44:40 EDT, you write: >Now you can register your Web Page in over 550 Internet indexes for only >TA>$249.00 and watch your traffic soar! > >TA>The Central Registry has helped thousands of sites like yours greatly > >[Lots of crap about web sites cut out] > > PLEASE PLEASE do not respond to this ad. It is a scam that has been >making the e-mail rounds. It's true. it's a scam!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dont reply to them. You'll be sorry!!!!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 4:49 pm Subject: Re: (amb) ambient hair care? Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >>I was wandering through a natural food store, in the cosmetic section, > >>and i found some hair conditioner with Tangerine Dream in the name... And I'm sure this has been brought up already, but there are two Fruitopia flavours named Tangerine Wavelength and Apple Tangerine Dream Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Think Global - Act Loco!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 5:15 pm Subject: Re: Re[2]: ideas? (BTH bag) Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-04-23 21:43:14 EDT, you write: << That would be nice with the exception that BTH is now a TD flunkie zine. The only articles are about the obscure people who played a couple times or so with TD....or they're about Klaus who probably still uses lead weights to put on his keys for long droning sequences that are uninspired at best. If BTH wants to be a great zine it needs to get back to TD and the musicians that formed the band, not played with them one year once while Peter or Chris were away. I mean, it's nice to know what Klaus Krieger is up to briefly but come on....less of Klaus, Klaus, Steve, and even Hoenig...who shouldn't even count or be mentioned. regards, Dano >> its obvious that u didnt read the last issue where they stated categorically that due to their 'problems' with td they were going to dedicate more space to other musicians...had u read the issue, u would have seen a report on cluster, haslinger, and reviews of pete namlook' s work...i dont think any of these musicians are 'obscure' to serious electronic music aficionados...personally, i welcome this change...the fact that they report 'less' on td, hardly makes them a 'flunkie' zine...as to schulze, again, u probably are unaware that the man has opened a veritable treasure trove of unreleased material, (unlike others discussed on this list, but always lamented about) some of which can most definately not be described as 'uninspiring' (imo, of course)... tom w np: shulze - historic edition disc 7 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3063 Re: Re[2]: ideas? (BTH bag) PNaunton@a... Fri 4/25/1997 2 KB 3085 Re: Re[2]: ideas? (BTH bag) TWeibre361@a... Fri 4/25/1997 2 KB 3149 Re: Re[2]: ideas? (BTH bag) PNaunton@a... Mon 4/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 5:30 pm Subject: members list Really-From: 'oncica bogdan' Hello, having the 'tadream' members list in front of my eyes the email addresses of some members make me curious ,i.e.: - tadream-list@c... - tadream-list@e... - tadream-list@f... - tadream-news@c... - tangerine-dream@b... etc. Wouldn't be nice to know something about them? Of course,nothing private !!! Sincerely, Bogdan SIDEX SA ROMANIA,Europe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 6:03 pm Subject: please ,resend ! Really-From: 'oncica bogdan' Hello, If anybody has sent a message for sidexspr@e... or as an answer to the 'stamps' subject please resend it !!! I have had a software problem and i lost all the answers for today 24-04-97. Thanks, Bogdan SIDEX SA ,Galati ROMANIA,Europe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 3:51 pm Subject: Re: 'The Blob' & ***NO*** book errors Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (peter stoeferle) > > Hello Vic, hello Mailing List, > > >>> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > >>> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:48:07 -0400 (EDT) > >>> Subject: 'The Blob' & Book Errors > > >>> Really-From: Vic Rek > > >>> Can anyone confirm that 'The Blob' soundtrack by Michael Hoenig was > >>> released. > >>> 'Voices in the Dunes' states that it was released on CD. I have never seen > >>> a copy or had anybody confirm that they own or have seen a copy of this. > >>>So anybody have this? I don't think it exists. > > The CD *does* definitely exist, even if it is a real hard-to-find item. I have > got a copy: > > 17 tracks, 39:15 mins. > Order-No.: Filmtrax FUSD 103 > (C) 1988 Filmtrax Holdings Inc./Tri Star Pictures Inc., 3808 Riverside Drive, > Suite 408, Burbank, California 91505 > > >>> AND please don't tell me to look it up in the FAQ. > >>> But for sake of discussion I did look in > >>> 'http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/artists/t/tangerine.dream/discog.solo'> >>> under Michael Hoenig and I didn't see it listed. Is this another error in > >>> 'Voices in the Dunes'? > > So I am glad to tell you that this is not 'another error' in 'Voices' ;-) > And I am very sorry, we cannot be held responsible for what has been filed in > the FAQ or in any Internet music archives. > > Peter Stoeferle > (author or 'Voices in the dunes') I would be very appreciative if I could get a tape copy of this score to archive it's existance. I work with a soundtrack producer and am interested in aquiring the rights for this CD for release. Let me know if you are interested. regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 6:58 pm Subject: The Blob Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves Regarding Vic Rek's message: The Blob CD does exist. I have it. It is extremely rare and was probably pressed in a very small edition about 1987/88. At that time it was not uncommon for there to be small runs of only 200 CDs of soundtracks for the commercial market. Varese Sarabande did only 200 CDs (one source states) of Brad Fiedel's 'The Serpent and the Rainbow'. Recently someone posted on Rec.Music.Movies that they needed a photocopy of the front cover of The Blob for their CD they had just found. I was the only one to respond and he got his copy. You might have better luck searching for the soundtrack by dealing with soundtrack dealers and collectors. BTW - I thought the music was terrible to listen to. CHEERS...Matt Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3030 Re: The Blob Vic Rek Thu 4/24/1997 2 KB 34191 The Blob fozziebear Sat 6/1/2002 2 KB 34192 Re: The Blob Wade Gordon Sat 6/1/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 4:10 pm Subject: Is TD washed up? Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > > In a message dated 97-04-23 21:43:14 EDT, you write: > > << That would be nice with the exception that BTH is now a TD flunkie zine. > The only articles are about the obscure people who played a couple times or > so with TD....or they're about Klaus who probably still uses lead weights > to put on his keys for long droning sequences that are uninspired at best. > If BTH wants to be a great zine it needs to get back to TD and the > musicians that formed the band, not played with them one year once while > Peter or Chris were away. I mean, it's nice to know what Klaus Krieger is > up to briefly but come on....less of Klaus, Klaus, Steve, and even > Hoenig...who shouldn't even count or be mentioned. > > regards, > > Dano >> > > its obvious that u didnt read the last issue where they stated categorically > that due to their 'problems' with td they were going to dedicate more space > to other musicians...had u read the issue, u would have seen a report on > cluster, haslinger, and reviews of pete namlook' s work...i dont think any of > these musicians are 'obscure' to serious electronic music > aficionados...personally, i welcome this change...the fact that they report > 'less' on td, hardly makes them a 'flunkie' zine...as to schulze, again, u > probably are unaware that the man has opened a veritable treasure trove of > unreleased material, (unlike others discussed on this list, but always > lamented about) some of which can most definately not be described as > 'uninspiring' (imo, of course)... > > tom w > > np: shulze - historic edition disc 7 I still disagree. Why is it that because an artist plays with TD that they get so much respect as an electronic musician. I feel that with the exception of Christopher Franke that they all have a hard time composing anything consistantly well composed. While yes, it is only considered an opinion, I back up my opinion with the evidence that with the exception of a couple of albums (220 volt and Rockoon which were truly different...and maybe even Tyranny)...TD without Franke, Schmoelling or Haslinger (three classically trained musicians...NOT self taught) is just plain bad. Jerome is doing what Eddie VH was doing twenty years ago with the guitar. Goblins Club was just plain badness, barely even hinting at memorable melodies and the sort. Edgar's so caught up in the mysterious image that he's forgotten how to make great music. Don't get me wrong. I love most TD...but just because it's Tangerine Dream doesn't mean it's good. Any fool can place lead weights on a keyboard, sequence for a few hours, then release it and call it music. Edgar needs to stop having the 'go where no man has gone before' attitude and go where man has gone before and kicked some ass. So many times he's mentioned that he's going to head into uncharted lands, create sounds no one can create or copy. All I ever hear anymore from TD is that blasted DX72 sound, Stratotro, on EVRYTHING (you know, the voice that's all over Treasure of Innocence). Edgar is not mysterious anymore...and neither is TD. Like Franke, they need to make great music again. I wish most TD fans would show a little more discernment when judging what TD puts out these days. If what I am saying is false...then may someone out there state that they loved Goblin's Club more than Thief. regards, Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3029 Re: Is TD washed up? Dennis Nigbur Thu 4/24/1997 4 KB 3031 Re: Is TD washed up? Gabe Yedid Thu 4/24/1997 2 KB 3034 Re: Is TD washed up? Rakinik Intertype Fri 4/25/1997 4 KB 3035 Re: Is TD washed up? Rakinik Intertype Fri 4/25/1997 2 KB 3038 Re: Is TD washed up? Steve McCready Fri 4/25/1997 3 KB 3067 Re: Is TD washed up? Gabe Yedid Fri 4/25/1997 2 KB 3044 Re: Is TD washed up? Grant Middleton Fri 4/25/1997 4 KB 3092 Re: Is TD washed up? Rakinik Intertype Fri 4/25/1997 4 KB 3094 Re: Is TD washed up? Ryan Smith Sat 4/26/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 12:41 am Subject: Re: Is TD washed up? Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:10:29 -0700 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Rakinik Intertype >While yes, it is only considered an >opinion, I back up my opinion with the evidence that with the exception >of a couple of albums (220 volt and Rockoon which were truly >different...and maybe even Tyranny)...TD without Franke, Schmoelling or >Haslinger (three classically trained musicians...NOT self taught) is just >plain bad. - THIS IS ALL MY OWN, PRIVATE OPINION - Now that's a very interesting statement. What precisely do you like so much (or even consider _different_ ) about Rockoon and Tyranny? As I see it, these are some of the rather more uninspired albums they've made, most of the pieces struggle to attain the complexity of pop songs, or are plainly clusters of notes and rhythms that don't have anything to tell (Haze of Fame / Tyranny of Beauty in particular). >Goblins Club was just plain badness, barely even hinting at >memorable melodies and the sort. Edgar's so caught up in the mysterious >image that he's forgotten how to make great music. But exactly that's what I find remarkable about Goblin's Club - they have made a step towards re-establishing the said 'mysterious image', they have finally turned to a more mellow and atmospheric style. It might sound less catchy than the Seattle years stuff, but it is infinitely more complex than, say, Red Roadster on Rockoon, and the complexity and subtle shifts of mood have always been for me the striking feature of TD music. With pieces like Rising Haul... or Sad Merlin's Sunday, they have returned to the suite-in-a-song format of old, only that they don't keep an individual sequence running for as long as they used to. I admit, it _does_ still sound a bit detached and hopping-around, but it's certainly a step into the right direction. If you have heard Oasis, you'll see the next step in the musical development. They've finally _found_ their style, Jerome's input is of much greater quality than in the beginning, and after 7 years, Edgar finally _has_ found a new musical partner. >Edgar is not mysterious anymore...and neither is TD. Like Franke, they >need to make great music again. I wish most TD fans would show a little >more discernment when judging what TD puts out these days. If what I am >saying is false...then may someone out there state that they loved >Goblin's Club more than Thief. Well, I did. I think these two albums are of more or less the same standard, but Thief is placed right in the middle of a period of excellent albums (e.g. Tangram, White Eagle, Force Majeure,...), whereas Goblin's Club is literally a relief after Tyranny and the like. BTW, I think that Franke's Babylon 5 soundtrack (parts 1 and 2) are excellent. Cheers, Dennis. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 7:59 pm Subject: Re: The Blob Really-From: Vic Rek At 06:58 PM 4/24/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves > >The Blob CD does exist. I have it. It is extremely rare and was probably >pressed in a very small edition about 1987/88. I see the movie all over the place for sale. You would think that there would be more of them out there. 200 copies seems a bit small. Don't manufacturers usually produce at least 1000 to make any economic sense? But if anyone wants to put a copy up for offer, please let me know. Thanks Matt! VR From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 8:17 pm Subject: Re: Is TD washed up? Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > > more discernment when judging what TD puts out these days. If what I am > saying is false...then may someone out there state that they loved > Goblin's Club more than Thief. > > regards, > > Dano I dunno about _GC_, but I like _Dream Mixes_ more than _Thief_. And 'Lamb With Radar Eyes', at the very least, is as good as anything on _Thief_, IMO. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Ordering QUINOA via Telephone: A Mistake? Really-From: Steven Feldman Well, Folks, I went and ordered a few copies of QUINOA from the website URL that was posted here recently. The instructions gave ordering with a credit card over an 800 # phone line as a possibility, and I did so, even though the fact that I had to leave the pertinent info (i.e. my order) on *an answering machine* made me nervous. What I want to know is, was this wise, or is this outfit going to clean out my bank account and catch a ride on the tail of Hale-Bopp? ;) Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3039 Re: Ordering QUINOA via Telephone: A Mistake? Capel Martyn Fri 4/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: More Questions re Ordering QUINOA; Credit-Card Woes Really-From: 'Nervous Nellie [Steven Feldman]' >Subject: Ordering QUINOA via Telephone: A Mistake? >Date: Thu, 24 Apr 97 16:24:50 EDT >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > I went and ordered a few copies of QUINOA from the website URL >that was posted here recently. The instructions gave ordering with a >credit card over an 800 # phone line as a possibility, and I did so, >even though the fact that I had to leave the pertinent info (i.e. my >order) on *an answering machine* made me nervous. What I want to >know is, was this wise, or is this outfit going to clean out my bank >account and catch a ride on the tail of Hale-Bopp? ;) Eep. In my haste, I forgot to ask a few questions about ordering with a credit card from overseas, in general. First of all, what is the current exchange rate between dollars and pounds; and second, is there a fee for converting dollars to pounds in credit card ordering, and if so, what is it? Is it proportional to the subtotal amount? (And I'm not even going to ask about postal charges.) This company said that orders take 'up to 28 days' to fill, so I am wondering how I can confirm that my order was indeed correctly received (other than finding out about it via a statement from my bank) before it's too late and all copies of this elusive (and soon to be illusive?) CD disappear. Perhaps I should contact them via their *non*-800 number and find out for sure??? Also, these guys are selling the TDI TYRANNY OF BEAUTY CD (the one with 'Quasar' on it) for 9 pounds 99 pence. What would this be in dollars? $14.95, or more? -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3083 Re: More Questions re Ordering QUINOA; Credit-Car TWeibre361@a... Fri 4/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 9:37 pm Subject: Re: Is TD washed up? Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > - THIS IS ALL MY OWN, PRIVATE OPINION - > Now that's a very interesting statement. What precisely do you like so > much (or even consider _different_ ) about Rockoon and Tyranny? As I > see it, these are some of the rather more uninspired albums they've > made, most of the pieces struggle to attain the complexity of pop songs, > or are plainly clusters of notes and rhythms that don't have anything to > tell (Haze of Fame / Tyranny of Beauty in particular). > > >Goblins Club was just plain badness, barely even hinting at > >memorable melodies and the sort. Edgar's so caught up in the > mysterious > >image that he's forgotten how to make great music. > > But exactly that's what I find remarkable about Goblin's Club - they have > made a step towards re-establishing the said 'mysterious image', they > have finally turned to a more mellow and atmospheric style. It might > sound less catchy than the Seattle years stuff, but it is infinitely more > complex than, say, Red Roadster on Rockoon, and the complexity and > subtle shifts of mood have always been for me the striking feature of TD > music. With pieces like Rising Haul... or Sad Merlin's Sunday, they > have returned to the suite-in-a-song format of old, only that they don't > keep an individual sequence running for as long as they used to. I > admit, it _does_ still sound a bit detached and hopping-around, but it's > certainly a step into the right direction. If you have heard Oasis, you'll > see the next step in the musical development. They've finally _found_ > their style, Jerome's input is of much greater quality than in the > beginning, and after 7 years, Edgar finally _has_ found a new musical > partner. > > >Edgar is not mysterious anymore...and neither is TD. Like Franke, they > >need to make great music again. I wish most TD fans would show a > little > >more discernment when judging what TD puts out these days. If what I > am > >saying is false...then may someone out there state that they loved > >Goblin's Club more than Thief. > > Well, I did. I think these two albums are of more or less the same > standard, but Thief is placed right in the middle of a period of excellent > albums (e.g. Tangram, White Eagle, Force Majeure,...), whereas > Goblin's Club is literally a relief after Tyranny and the like. BTW, I think > that Franke's Babylon 5 soundtrack (parts 1 and 2) are excellent. > > Cheers, > Dennis. The reason Rockoon was such a better statement than Goblin's Club is because of one plain fact: It came first. Goblin's Club offers nothing at all new..including voices...whereas Rockoon was a very different step in a different direction. Unfortunately Edgar kept walkin' the same way for several years. I agree about Oasis. It's the best TD I've heard since 220 Volt. What took em so long? Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 9:39 pm Subject: Re: Is TD washed up? Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > > > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > > > > > more discernment when judging what TD puts out these days. If what I am > > saying is false...then may someone out there state that they loved > > Goblin's Club more than Thief. > > > > regards, > > > > Dano > > I dunno about _GC_, but I like _Dream Mixes_ more than _Thief_. > And 'Lamb With Radar Eyes', at the very least, is as good as anything on > _Thief_, IMO. > > Gabe I would have to say that you probably have just begun to listen to TD if you liked DM over Thief. I'd even understand if one liked say Phaedra or even Rubycon over Thief...but DM?? Nah. D. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3038 Re: Is TD washed up? Steve McCready Fri 4/25/1997 3 KB 3067 Re: Is TD washed up? Gabe Yedid Fri 4/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 3:29 am Subject: Re: Re[2]: ideas? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-23 15:58:43 EDT, you write: << I don't know, I thought it was funny. I think Phil meant it to be facetious, which is how I read it. Of course, just to be safe, I'm going to have to kill him. Sorry, Phil. -B. Kirby BtH 'Public Relations' Representative >> Phil responds; neck on the block: - - - Actually, I thought it was a bit of rye humor, yet pertinent to the fact that EF (apparently) doesn't care about his fans (all) that much. ( BtH being a fan-zine.) Most ( if not all ) of the suggestions I've read would ( probably ) go unappreciated. I could be wrong though, he may have mellowed with age (all evidence to the contrary). Fan stuff is for fans, Edgar has his own agenda. Phil Naunton ( A fan for the full 30 and counting. At least I hope to make it!! ) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 3:31 am Subject: Re: ROB ESSERS Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-23 21:43:43 EDT, you write: << ROB ESSERS and he released already two great CD's titled RAINCOLOURS and the latest one A LIZARDS WALK. This is THE music TD would make if Mr Franke has never left the group! Have a look at his nice homepage to get some more information: Dream On Chris Horn >> Thanks for the tip, Chris. Your post is one of the main reasons I subscribed to this list several years ago. It wonderful to get new information on related music. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 12:03 pm Subject: Re: Is TD washed up? Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready) On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:39:27 -0700, Gabe wrote: > I dunno about _GC_, but I like _Dream Mixes_ more than _Thief_. > And 'Lamb With Radar Eyes', at the very least, is as good as anything on > _Thief_, IMO. Rankink replied: >I would have to say that you probably have just begun to listen to TD if >you liked DM over Thief. I'd even understand if one liked say Phaedra or >even Rubycon over Thief...but DM?? Nah. I'll strongly second Gabe's opinion. In my book, Thief falls into that middle ground of 3AS TD albums. DM was a fun diversion that gets more time on my CD player than most any 90's TD release except for ... drumroll ... Goblin's Club. And this is coming from someone who feels very strongly that the majority of TD's best work was done before 1980. Goblin's Club has flaws - it wanders too much within each song and doesn't fully explore the different musical ideas contained within. That said, I still find it much more enjoyable to listen to than most of what TD has done since Underwater Sunlight. -Steve sbm@p... Sacramento, CA From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 5:22 am Subject: Re: Ordering QUINOA via Telephone: A Mistake? Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) You wrote: > >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Well, Folks, > I went and ordered a few copies of QUINOA from the website URL >that was posted here recently. What I want to >know is, was this wise, or is this outfit going to clean out my bank >account and catch a ride on the tail of Hale-Bopp? ;) Hello, When I read this post, I was eating a sandwich and some of it ended up on my computer screen. I found what you said very funny, about the cleaning out of bank account and Hale-Bopp! Paying by credit card has got to be the safest way to go. This site seems quite professional, and legitamite I hope. Ask them about the details in the form of an E-mail to them. I hope they can put your mind to rest. Maybe copy the info off the computer, in case a complication does arise, for the credit card company. Take care, and relax. Martyn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 6:07 am Subject: TD's Direction-long post Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:29 PM 4/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > -B. Kirby > BtH 'Public Relations' Representative >> > >EF (apparently) doesn't care about his fans (all) that much. ( BtH being >a fan-zine.) Most (if not all ) of the suggestions I've read would >(probably ) go unappreciated. I could be wrong though, he may >have mellowed with age (all >evidence to the contrary). > Fan stuff is for fans, Edgar has his own agenda. > >Phil Naunton ( A fan for the full 30 and counting. At least I hope to make >it!! ) Hmm... Edgar must at least be slightly interested in seeing fans if he is willing to grant interviews, speak to fans before and after shows and put together 38 minutes of music (Quinoa) because the international TD fan club closed down. He seems to be happy that there are TD fans out there. My interpretation of the Tangents quote: TD has never been concerned with fan's opinions or impressions of the music as it has evolved over the years. We don't tailor our music to anyone's taste but our own. And yet I have negative feelings towards EF's statement: I don't understand why the same people who embrace our music between 1974 and 1978 would have us burned at the stake because of music we're producing in 1980. Why do I not understand EF saying this? Because being/staying a member of TD seems to be an almost impossible task. The Chris Franke - Edgar Froese feud is a perfect example. I am perfectly aware that there are rifts in nearly every musical group, so maybe I'm reading something into this, but no matter what Edgar says, I think we all know that the individual musicians present determine what the 'sound' of the band is. I personally think that TD's best combination was Froese/Franke/Schmoelling. I also love the Baumann years. I don't want to write a big essay (at least not on the list) but the first question that pops to mind when I hear Tangram after hearing Force Majeuere is 'Where'd the bass and ambient stuff go?' TD went from thick Moog to thin almost beep-like sounds. Tangram is a good album, almost an experiment if you ask me... Because they're creating depth with totally different tools. It's as if we all threw away our violins and pianos and say, ok, the equipment has changed, now we're using tin cans and kazoos. Obviously, TD was up to the challenge and Tangram was a success. Anyway, I'm rambling... Sure, it would be lovely if EF were to say 'You know, I've been reading the mailing list and I think we'll do a 2CD with 4 tracks and do really slow developmental pieces that take 3-5 minutes to even get started!' Geez, I've made myself drool... anyway, gotta run. Morgan feldon@n... p.s. Without controversy, there's... peace (oops, that one backfired!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 6:15 am Subject: Currency Converter Really-From: Mark Filipak Several questions about currency conversion have come up recently. There is a great, free currency converter on the net: Olsen & Associates: Currency Converter http://www.olsen.ch/cgi-bin/exmenu/ Everyone should make a bookmark for it. Regards -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3062 Re: Currency Converter Gary Davis Fri 4/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 8:27 am Subject: Re: Ben & Jerry's Tangerine Dream Ice Cream Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > In a message dated 97-04-23 19:17:34 EDT, you write: > > >First there was 'Cherry Garcia,' then came 'Phish Food' now - Tangerine > >Dream! Ben & Jerry's latest ice cream flavor! Vanilla ice cream with > >chunks of tangerine! Sounds tasty. > > This is an excellent idea. For now though, i'll have to stir it up at home > until it comes out. Hopefully soon. Hey, Let's all write to Ben and Jerry's > about his great idea! Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't B&J's actually create TD ice cream about 3 years ago ? I was recently working in the States, and went to B&J's with the intention of getting a tub. It was nowhere to be seen. I believe (pure conjecture) that they were told in no uncertain terms to cease and desist by Edgar's pet lawyers. Could anyone check back in the Tadream archives to see if I'm making this up ? I don't have Web access at the moment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3043 Re: Ben & Jerry's Tangerine Dream Ice Cream Craig R. J. Cordrey Fri 4/25/1997 3 KB 3065 Re: Ben & Jerry's Tangerine Dream Ice Cream TangerineC@a... Fri 4/25/1997 2 KB 3091 TD Ice Cream dbrewer@a... Fri 4/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 4:42 pm Subject: Re: Ben & Jerry's Tangerine Dream Ice Cream Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't B&J's actually create TD ice cream > about 3 years ago ? I was recently working in the States, and went to > B&J's with the intention of getting a tub. It was nowhere to be seen. > I believe (pure conjecture) that they were told in no uncertain terms > to cease and desist by Edgar's pet lawyers. I certainly recall a discussion some years ago about this. Someone said they had seen a TD flavour in one of those big chain types (Baskin & Robbins, maybe?) but I don't remember what the outcome was. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 9:02 am Subject: Re: Is TD washed up? Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' To answer the header first, 'Yes, darn tootin' they are !' > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > hours, then release it and call it music. Edgar needs to stop having the > 'go where no man has gone before' attitude and go where man has gone > before and kicked some ass. So many times he's mentioned that he's going > to head into uncharted lands, create sounds no one can create or copy... heroic explorer ? Down at the mall getting inspiration when he should be out in the desert finding himself some peyote. > All I ever hear anymore from TD is that blasted DX72 sound, Stratotro, on > EVRYTHING (you know, the voice that's all over Treasure of Innocence). Agreed ! Where are the gothic phased strings and haunting mellotron ? > Edgar is not mysterious anymore...and neither is TD. Like Franke, they > need to make great music again. I wish most TD fans would show a little > more discernment when judging what TD puts out these days. A lot of people DO like the recent stuff better. Don't ask me why. The fans of older TD HAVE shown discernment - they stop buying their crap CD's and don't go out of their way to see their crap shows. That's what I did. I have a similar problem with other bands. Hawkwind are one of my favourites, but they seem to veer wildly about, going from completely focussed, kick ass space rock, right through to Spinal Tap out-takes. I still go to see them, but I never know if I'm going to see one of the most cosmic gigs of my life, or one of the most embarrassing displays of tired old British hippydom (on their last tour they called it the 25th Anniversary tour - no prizes for guessing which category THAT one fell into). Until TD 'get their heads together', I won't be buying anything new. It can be done - have you listened to Oxygene 7-13 ? Jean Michel Jarre has really gone right back to the '70s, and consequently sounds far batter than he ever did during the '80s and '90s. I'm going to see him in Glasgow in June as a direct result of this new/old approach to his music. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Information on Quinoa CD Availability Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...> Further Update on Quinoa: I've just spoken with Voiceprint and here is the best contact. Ring Simon Hart on +44 (0)191 584 2120, he is in charge of selling these items, and he's just got the OK to sell them. The fax number for him is +44 (0)191 512 1104 He has a box of them in the storehouse and when they're gone, well ... they're gone! The price is a most reasonable L15 (15 UK Pounds). They accept credit card orders no problem. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 5:54 pm Subject: Time for a Change? Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' *** Long and potentially controversial post. Let's not argue about the words I use, just the sentiment! *** Though not necessarily agreeing that TD are 'washed up', as is being suggested in a recent thread, I would suggest that they are indeed stuck in a sameness 'rut'. With the obvious exception of the Dream Mixes, I would suggest that every album between Rockoon and Goblin's Club is of the same style. Within this period, they have undoubtedly strived for change and progress, but have rarely reached passed the bubble which is containing them in the sax/guitar/drum frame-of-mind. Now, each album in this period does have its differences - TD being TD means that whilst remining in a rut, they still change style between albums more than most bands change through their entire career. But looking back over the various phases of TD, it is apparent to me that they have moved very little in the past 6 or 7 years. Compare the following : Electronic Meditaion (1970) with Rubycon (1975) Ricochet (1975) with Exit (1981) Thief (1981) with Underwater Sunlight (1986) Tyger (1987) with Rockoon (1992) Rockoon (1992) with Goblin's Club (1996) Certainly in the first four cases, I challenge anyone to say that there has not been significant change between the first and second albums quoted (NOTE - _change_, no mention of better or worse). In the last case, it is a little more difficult (for me anyway). Whilst I'm not saying that these two are the same, I believe the change is far less than before. And does anyone else spot the other obvious difference? Schulze (1970) with Baumann (1975) Baumann (1975) with Schmoelling (1981) Schmoelling (1981) with Haslinger (1986) Haslinger (1987) with Froese, J (1992) Froese, J (1992) with Froese, J (1996) Yup, I think Jerome has outstayed his welcome. Or, we need a third (real) member to kick new life into the sounds being produced. Spa, Perica, Hornby, Gradwool have all come and gone as session musicians. Even if Linda was a 'real' member as far as playing was concerned, there's little doubt her contribution to the music was minimal (based on writing credits over her 7 year association with the band). Now, we all know there is no chance that Jerome will leave - if anything I guess it would be Edgar who would step aside to let his son continue. So we need new blood in there because it is clear (to me) that the duo just aren't doing it any more. They are still producing good music (mostly) but they need to change direction or move somewhere. I have no doubt that when Edgar says that they are moving in new directions he really believes they are or wishes they were. But it must be difficult to change yourself without external stimulus, especially when you are used to external stimulus (i.e. new member arrival) to help. So, Edgar, I'm not asking that you go back to playing Rubycon and Encore! I'm not asking that you get back together with Franke and Haslinger! I'm not asking you to through Jerome out! I'm not asking you to tell Jerome to get his hair cut! What I am asking is - get yourself another band member, even it's a stranger pulled off the street, so that his ideas can kick-start your seemingly dormant genius once again! --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3051 Re: Time for a Change? Hilmar Kraft Fri 4/25/1997 3 KB 3057 Re: Time for a Change? Craig R. J. Cordrey Fri 4/25/1997 4 KB 3059 Re: Time for a Change? Craig R. J. Cordrey Fri 4/25/1997 4 KB 3078 Re: Time for a Change? Rakinik Intertype Fri 4/25/1997 4 KB 3080 Re: Time for a Change? Jens Peschke Fri 4/25/1997 3 KB 3093 Re: Time for a Change? Rakinik Intertype Fri 4/25/1997 5 KB 3096 Re: Time for a Change? Mark Filipak Sat 4/26/1997 7 KB 3179 Re: Time for a Change? Plumer, Scott Tue 4/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 2:59 pm Subject: Budapest concer review Really-From: 'Szalma Zsolt' Hi folks, Well, I am sort of a newbie on this list. I only subscribed two weeks ago but I like it very much so far! It was especially intersting reading the European concert reviews. Thanks guys! And just adding one more to the row, here's my experience of the TD concert on April 22 at the Petofi Csarnok. First of all, the place where the show was held at is rather small. The concert room can hold no more than a 1000 people I think. So it looked like we'd be going to experience a very personal show, almost like a big family. The said thing was that the room got comletely crowded by the time the concert started and I could barely move. (There are quite a few TD fans in Hungary, it seems.) Anyway, luckily we (me and my brother) managed to get as close to the stage as possible, there was only one row of people standing before us. Just a few observation: I overheard some people talking and almost all of them(!) was talking about computers and related stuff (besides discussing TD, of course). An other thing, most of those attending the show were at their late twenties or early thirties. No teenagers at all and a few older folks. The third thing, there were considerably more men then women. (I don't know the reason.) The show was to start at 8pm. Five before 8, the people in the front started to clap, shout and calling for the band. We could clearly feel the anticipation in the atmosphere all around. The concert was about to start in any minute now and the crowd got more and more excited. Finally, at about 8:05 it happened! TD started with a song from Oasis with the curtains still covering the stage from us. We became scilent in an instant and our eyes were glued to the stage. As if they were teasing with the audience, they remained behind the curtains for at least 3-4 minutes. And when the first song had ended the curtains dropped suddenly and there they were in front of us, so close I could almost touch them. The audience greeted the band with an enthusiastic yell and whistle as they went on playing the next song. To be exact, there were not separated songs, the whole show one major track. The stage setup was quite interesting with Edgar and Jerome in the middle facing the audience while Zlatko and Emil were standing at the two end of the stage. They didn't bother to greet us, rather they were really engaged in their music. Almost as if they hadn't even noticed our presence. And I liked it very much this way. With them playing majestic tracks from Logos, Quichotte, Exit, La Parc, Underwater Sunlight and with the rather abstract images that were projected on a white sreen behind them, the whole first set was like a dream. It hypnotized you in a very elegant way. As many of you mentioned before, this was truely the old Tangerine Dream for an hour and half. The song bended into each other just perfectly, no technical failures and the loudness was almost ideal. (It could have been a little louder as for I'm concerned.) The drummer was superb. Truly talented and great improviser! Yes, the spotlights were aimed at us at times and they were very bright but this didn't diminished the experience. There were a 20 minute break between the two set. I went to see what is out there for sale. Cool T-shirts, hats, pins and CDs of course. But the prices went beyond my financial state so I just looked around and went back to the concert room. Leaving my place had been a stupid idea as it turned out later. I had to squeeze myself through the crowd and I didn't get as an ideal place as during the firs part of the show. (BTW, thre were no seats, we had to stand.) The second set were different yet just as good as the vintage part. They played Oasis (sounds great to me), some tyranny and GC. Zlatko guitar play was excellent during Firetounges. And also Eric's solo was brilliant. You could see that Edgar and Jerome were very impresses by him. (Edgar was smiling and this seldoms happens.) After the concert was over they came back twice for encore. They even played Tangram during in the firs one. Purple Haze was to end the show with great giutar part. The audience was whistling, yelling 'We love you'. The Froeses were all smiling and taking bows. And then they all threw their towels into the crowd. Finally, Edgar said a few words thanking us for coming and hoping we'll see each other soon! Then they left and I was a little disappointed thet they didn't come out the us. I had some pictures of me and the band that had been taken during the 92 American tour an I would have liked TD to sign them. Oh well, it would have been just icing on the cream! All in all, I was very impressed and satisfied with TD's performance. What I concert it was! Bye, Zsolo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3049 Re: Budapest concer review Pixel Fri 4/25/1997 3 KB 3055 Re: Budapest concer review Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 4/25/1997 7 KB 3111 Re: Budapest concer review Amadeo J. Szaszdi Sat 4/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 10:15 am Subject: Stockhausen about TD! Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) Hi, recently, on a flight to London, I discovered something very interesting in my favourite german newspaper, 'Die Zeit'. They sent a tape to the german avantgarde composer Karlheinz Stockhausen (I hope you know Stockhausen) with several 5 to 6 minute bits (instead of complete tracks - shame on 'Die Zeit') of Krautrock - so avantgardish german rock music of the late 60s/early 70s - and asked him for his opinion. These tracks were the following: 1.) 'Aumgn' from Can (Album 'Tago Mago') 2.) 'Journey through a burning brain' from TD ('Electronic Meditation') 3.) 'Phallus Dei' from Amon Duul II ('u' are Umlaut here) 4.) 'Suche + Liebe' from Ash Ra Temple (Album 'Schwingungen') 5.) 'Winds - Liebeswehen 2 - Elektron 2 - Ella' from Faust 6.) 'Affenstunde' from Popol Vuh (Dream Part 4) This is what Stockhousen said about 'Journey...'. I type first the original german, and then try to translate into english. Tierschreie, ab 1'27'' verzerrte Gitarrenakzente, unperiodische Folge. 1'52'' Orgelmusik (etwas verzerrt) mit Kreisch Geraeuschen; periodisches Tempo 66, As-moll mit Kadenzierungen zu Des-B-Ges wiederholt. Fromme tonale Kirchenmusik mit mittelalterlichen Daemonen. Vor ca. 5 Min. taenzerisches, barockes Praeludium im Tempo 144 in As-moll mit jaulenden Gitarrenglissandi fuer ca. 42 Sek. Dauer ca 5'55' Nicht interessant: ------------------ dreiteilige form A (Schreie) + A erweitert (plus Gitarrenakzente) - B (Orgel) - C (Praeludium) / Naturalismus der Schreie / Gitarren-Klischees, Kreischen / As-moll-Kadenzierung, froemmelnde Tonalitaet / periodische Wiederholungen in konstantem Tempo ohne Ziel / Titel angeberisch Interessant: ------------ unvorhersehbarer Rhythmus im Formteil A. now the english translation. I don't know the translation of some music terms, so I simply repeat the german terms since I guess they are similar in english and you all understand animal screams, from 1'27'' on distorted guitar accents, non-periodic sequence. 1'52'' organ music (a bit distorted) with screaming noises; periodic tempo 66, A-flat-minor with 'Kadenzierungen' to D flat - B - G flat repeated. Pious tonal church music with middle age demons. Before approx. 5 Min. dancing-like, baroc prelude tempo 144 in A-flat minor with howling guitar glissandi for approx. 42 Sek. duration aprox. 5'55'' Not interesting: ---------------- threefold structure A (screams) + A extended (plus guitar accents) - B (organ) - C (prelude) / naturalism of screams / guitar 'Klischee', screaming / A flat minor 'Kadenzierung', pious-like tonality / periodic repetition with constant speed without aim / title 'bragging' (not shure about last word) Interesting: ------------ unpredictable rhythm in part A armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3053 Re: Stockhausen about TD! Plumer, Scott Fri 4/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 8:38 pm Subject: Re: Budapest concer review Really-From: Pixel tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Szalma Zsolt' > > Hi folks, > > Well, I am sort of a newbie on this list. I only subscribed two weeks > ago but I like it very much so far! A big applause for the new Hungarian subscriber! Zsolt, you are the fourth after Andrew Rozsa from US, Levente Toth from the UK, and me. > First of all, the place where the show was held at is rather small. > The concert room can hold no more than a 1000 people I think. So it > looked like we'd be going to experience a very personal show Sorry, I have to correct you a little bit because I know the place well; we used to organize some events there. It can hold a maximum of 2,500 people, and the TD show ran near to this quantity: with about 2,000 people. It is a huge audience for the current TD if you compare with the Vienna audience (300) or Amsterdam (600). Anja also agreed with me and stated that it was almost the best-selled performance, only Bonn has beaten it. Gabor Gerenyi From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Stockhausen is Klaus Schulze!! Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... Hello, >recently, on a flight to London, I discovered something very >interesting in my favourite german newspaper, 'Die Zeit'. They >sent a tape to the german avantgarde composer Karlheinz Stockhausen >(I hope you know Stockhausen) with several 5 to 6 minute bits (instead >of complete tracks - shame on 'Die Zeit') of Krautrock - so >avantgardish german rock music of the late 60s/early 70s - and asked him for >his opinion. These tracks were the following: It's quite interesting how way out rock groups in the late 60s/early 70s made music that often sounded quite similar to serious composers of the same period. The opening of 'Wahn' sounds exactly like a piece by Berio (can't remember the name), and of course the 'chant' section from 'Rubycon Part 2' is identical to Ligeti's 'Lux Aeterna' (used at the beginning of the film '2001'). Then again, Stockhausen's fabulous 'Stimmung' is the true precursor of ambient music. There's a book called 'Conversations with Stockhausen' by Mia Tannenbaum, and KS says something like: 'I was walking in Paris and was amazed to see some showy motorbikes and an infusion of American hyper-reality'. I think it's my all-time favourite quote... :-) I also think that Stockhausen and Klaus Schulze are the same person. They look similar, and of course have the same initials. I bet no-one has ever seen them together... Glynn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: Time for a Change? Really-From: Hilmar Kraft An: tadream @ cs.uwp.edu @ SMTP-GW Kopie: (Blindkopie: Hilmar Kraft) Von: tadream @ cs.uwp.edu (tadream mailing list) @ SMTP-GW Datum: 25.04.97 10:54:04 Thema: Time for a Change? >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' >*** Long and potentially controversial post. Let's not >argue about the words I use, just the sentiment! *** Craig, to your post, I would like to reply with a short, one-word answer: OASIS >From reading your post, I am almost certain that you have not listened to it yet. I think this album is as far away from Goblins Club in style like any of the other examples you have mentioned: >Compare the following : >Electronic Meditaion (1970) with Rubycon (1975) >Ricochet (1975) with Exit (1981) >Thief (1981) with Underwater Sunlight (1986) >Tyger (1987) with Rockoon (1992) >Rockoon (1992) with Goblin's Club (1996) Agreed. But if you change the last line to Rockoon (1992) with Oasis (1997), then your list is symmetric again. Other than that you have made a valid point. I also believe that the band has moved very little over the last 5 years or so, but now my hopes are up that this might change... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 12:56 pm Subject: Pleasant surprise Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' I was walking around the local Virgin store at lunchtime today and for a laugh decided to see if they had a 'Klaus Schulze' section. Indeed they did ! The only disc there was 'Timewind' for STLG 10.00 N.P. - Timewind by Klaus Schulze ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 1:06 pm Subject: RE: Stockhausen about TD! Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >recently, on a flight to London, I discovered something very >interesting in my favourite german newspaper, 'Die Zeit'. They Which issue was that? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Credit Card Orders on an Answering Machine Really-From: Steven Feldman >Re: Information on Quinoa CD Availability >Date: 25 Apr 97 05:54:53 EDT >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...> > >[...] They accept credit card orders no problem. Does that mean that I shouldn't worry about having left a message on their answering machine that has my credit card number and expiration date on it, then? Or should I phone them long-distance at their non-800 number and place the credit card order *again*? -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3064 Re: Credit Card Orders on an Answering Machine GrafZeigen@a... Fri 4/25/1997 2 KB 3069 Re: Credit Card Orders on an Answering Machine Andy Bloyce Fri 4/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 8:10 am Subject: Re: Budapest concer review Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 11:59 AM 4/25/97 CET, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Szalma Zsolt' > > >Hi folks, > >Well, I am sort of a newbie on this list. I only subscribed two weeks >ago but I like it very much so far! >It was especially intersting reading the European concert reviews. >Thanks guys! >And just adding one more to the row, here's my experience of the TD >concert on April 22 at the Petofi Csarnok. [....snip.....] Isten hozott. Welcome to the list. Very nice report. It almost felt as if we were there, sans the music, of course. So I re-read your note with a nice 'live' performance CDR in the CD-ROM player. Much better. :-) Next time let us know in advance if you are going, and for the priviledge of getting us some tour merchandise, you may find many of us more than willing to 'finance' some of your own needs for T-shirts, CDs, etc. Regards, Andrew (Bandi) > >First of all, the place where the show was held at is rather small. >The concert room can hold no more than a 1000 people I think. So it >looked like we'd be going to experience a very personal show, almost >like a big family. The said thing was that the room got comletely >crowded by the time the concert started and I could barely move. >(There are quite a few TD fans in Hungary, it seems.) Anyway, luckily >we (me and my brother) managed to get as close to the stage as >possible, there was only one row of people standing before us. >Just a few observation: I overheard some people talking and almost >all of them(!) was talking about computers and related stuff >(besides discussing TD, of course). An other thing, most of those >attending the show were at their late twenties or early thirties. >No teenagers at all and a few older folks. The third thing, there >were considerably more men then women. (I don't know the reason.) > >The show was to start at 8pm. Five before 8, the people in the front >started to clap, shout and calling for the band. We could clearly >feel the anticipation in the atmosphere all around. The concert was >about to start in any minute now and the crowd got more and more >excited. Finally, at about 8:05 it happened! TD started with a song >from Oasis with the curtains still covering the stage from us. >We became scilent in an instant and our eyes were glued to the stage. >As if they were teasing with the audience, they remained behind the >curtains for at least 3-4 minutes. And when the first song had ended >the curtains dropped suddenly and there they were in front of us, so >close I could almost touch them. The audience greeted the band with >an enthusiastic yell and whistle as they went on playing the next >song. To be exact, there were not separated songs, the whole show one >major track. The stage setup was quite interesting with Edgar and >Jerome in the middle facing the audience while Zlatko and Emil were >standing at the two end of the stage. They didn't bother to greet us, >rather they were really engaged in their music. Almost as if they >hadn't even noticed our presence. And I liked it very much this way. >With them playing majestic tracks from Logos, Quichotte, Exit, La >Parc, Underwater Sunlight and with the rather abstract images that >were projected on a white sreen behind them, the whole first set was >like a dream. It hypnotized you in a very elegant way. As many of you >mentioned before, this was truely the old Tangerine Dream for an hour >and half. The song bended into each other just perfectly, no >technical failures and the loudness was almost ideal. (It could have >been a little louder as for I'm concerned.) >The drummer was superb. Truly talented and great improviser! Yes, the >spotlights were aimed at us at times and they were very bright but >this didn't diminished the experience. >There were a 20 minute break between the two set. I went to see what >is out there for sale. Cool T-shirts, hats, pins and CDs of course. >But the prices went beyond my financial state so I just looked around >and went back to the concert room. Leaving my place had been a stupid >idea as it turned out later. I had to squeeze myself through the >crowd and I didn't get as an ideal place as during the firs part of >the show. (BTW, thre were no seats, we had to stand.) >The second set were different yet just as good as the vintage part. >They played Oasis (sounds great to me), some tyranny and GC. Zlatko >guitar play was excellent during Firetounges. And also Eric's solo >was brilliant. You could see that Edgar and Jerome were very >impresses by him. (Edgar was smiling and this seldoms happens.) >After the concert was over they came back twice for encore. They even >played Tangram during in the firs one. Purple Haze was to end the >show with great giutar part. The audience was whistling, yelling 'We >love you'. The Froeses were all smiling and taking bows. And then >they all threw their towels into the crowd. Finally, Edgar said a few >words thanking us for coming and hoping we'll see each other soon! >Then they left and I was a little disappointed thet they didn't come >out the us. I had some pictures of me and the band that had been >taken during the 92 American tour an I would have liked TD to sign >them. Oh well, it would have been just icing on the cream! >All in all, I was very impressed and satisfied with TD's performance. >What I concert it was! > >Bye, >Zsolo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 1:38 pm Subject: thief/dm/goblin/oasis Really-From: Michael A Jean For what its worth, I support the DM over THIEF position.... I've been listening to TD for a LONG TIME...Thief is nice but it is OLD!!! One of the things I enjoy most about TD is there use of new sounds... I had fun (even joy) listening to LAMB WITH RADAR EYES... Regarding OAISIS: It was my perception that the album dates back about six or seven years, which is why it akin to '220 volt'...I don't think this is a'new' direction or 'found' sound.... Who knows??? TO each his (or her) own.... Mike J From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 9:37 pm Subject: Re: Time for a Change? Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > To: tadream@c... > Date: 25 Apr 97 14:36:02 > Subject: Re: Time for a Change? > Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > > > An: tadream @ cs.uwp.edu @ SMTP-GW > Kopie: (Blindkopie: Hilmar Kraft) > Von: tadream @ cs.uwp.edu (tadream mailing list) @ SMTP-GW > Datum: 25.04.97 10:54:04 > Thema: Time for a Change? > > >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > >*** Long and potentially controversial post. Let's not > >argue about the words I use, just the sentiment! *** > > Craig, > > to your post, I would like to reply with a short, one-word answer: > > OASIS > > From reading your post, I am almost certain that you have not listened to it > yet. I think this album is as far away from Goblins Club in style like any of > the other examples you have mentioned: > > > >Compare the following : > >Electronic Meditaion (1970) with Rubycon (1975) > >Ricochet (1975) with Exit (1981) > >Thief (1981) with Underwater Sunlight (1986) > >Tyger (1987) with Rockoon (1992) > >Rockoon (1992) with Goblin's Club (1996) > > Agreed. But if you change the last line to > > Rockoon (1992) with Oasis (1997), then your list is symmetric again. > > Other than that you have made a valid point. I also believe that the band has > moved very little over the last 5 years or so, but now my hopes are up that > this might change... > > --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 1:34 pm Subject: Anyone at Poland Concert? Really-From: Vic Rek I haven't heard any comments on the Poland show on 4-23-97. Did it happen? Judging by past audiences and reviews, the shows in Poland tend to be very successful events (for both TD and Klaus Schulze). Anybody on this list go to the show? A review would be appreciated. Also, please e-mail be privately if you'd like, since I'll be in Poland during the summer and I'll have some TD goodies with me for trade if I make some contacts. Dziekuje i dozobaczenia w lipcu! Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 9:44 pm Subject: Re: Time for a Change? Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Sorry. Did I really send this without responding? Slip of the finger! > Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > > to your post, I would like to reply with a short, one-word answer: > > OASIS > > From reading your post, I am almost certain that you have not listened to it > yet. I think this album is as far away from Goblins Club in style like any of > the other examples you have mentioned: You are correct - I have not heard Oasis - YET. But, as I sit here waiting for the working day to end, I have been informed by my wife that Mr. Lars Jones package has arrived and is waiting for me. Inside this package there is Oasis (signed by all four band members) and Maedchen on the steps. > Agreed. But if you change the last line to > > Rockoon (1992) with Oasis (1997), then your list is symmetric again. > > Other than that you have made a valid point. I also believe that the band has > moved very little over the last 5 years or so, but now my hopes are up that > this might change... I guess that come Monday I'll be able to ither agree or disagree with your comment. You have to bear in mind that 'one album does not a new direction make', although of course by the time of Oasis this'll be Dream Mixes, Goblin's Club and Oasis (i.e. the last three releases) which are different, so maybe they have changed after all. And, of course, you'll all understand if I now say Lars, ah luv ya! --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Ordering from US on cc in UK pounds Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >Eep. In my haste, I forgot to ask a few questions about ordering with a credit card from overseas, in general. First of all, what is the current exchange rate between dollars and pounds; and second, is there a fee for converting dollars to pounds in credit card ordering, and if so, what is it? Is it proportional to the subtotal amount? (And I'm not even going to ask about postal charges.) This company said that orders take 'up to 28 days' to fill, so I am wondering how I can confirm that my order was indeed correctly received (other than finding out about it via a statement from my bank) before it's too late and all copies of this elusive (and soon to be illusive?) CD disappear. Perhaps I should contact them via their *non*-800 number and find out for sure??? Also, these guys are selling the TDI TYRANNY OF BEAUTY CD (the one with 'Quasar' on it) for 9 pounds 99 pence. What would this be in dollars? $14.95, or more? -- Steven Feldman and < Steve, The US dollar--->UKP exchange rate as of two days ago was appx. $1.66 per UK pound., which would put the Quinoa CD at roughly $25 U.S. per copy (Tyranny around $17 US). I can't vouch for Voiceprint, but there shouldn't be any conversion surcharge for ordering with a credit card--I've ordered plenty of stuff on card from England and other countries--the company gets their payment in the local tender, and Visa (or whoever the card carrier is) simply charges your account in US dollars at whatever the appropriate exchange rate is on the day the charge goes through. Actually, now's a good time to buy from a US-dollar point of view--when I was in London last September, it was roughly $1.80 US per pound. --John From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 2:27 pm Subject: Common TD CDs for Sale Really-From: Vic Rek I'm just cleaning up, so if anyone would like these items, please contact me off the list. All are in mint or new condition. Postage not included. 1. $7 Rubycon - US Virgin America V2-91009 2. $7 Stratosfear - US Virgin America V2-91010 3. $10 Sorcerer - US MCA MCAD-10842 (new) 4. $10 Flashpoint - US One Way S21-18507, reissue (new) 5. $9 Tyger - UK Jive Electro CHIP 47, 5 tracks 5 indexes, 2/87 6. $10 Extracts from Poland - The Warsaw Concert - UK Jive Electro CHIP 22 7. $9 The Best of Tangerine Dream (Comp. 1973-1987) - UK Jive CHIP 75, 1989 8. $8 Canyon Dreams - US Miramar MPCD 2801, 10/87 9. $8 Rockoon - US Miramar MPCD 2802, 1992 10. $8 Tyranny of Beauty - US Miramar 09006-23046-2, 1995 11. $21 Catch Me if You Can - US Edel Screen EDS 5413-2, 1989 (new) Thanks, Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 2:20 pm Subject: Re: Currency Converter Really-From: Gary Davis At 02:02 AM 4/25/97 -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: >Several questions about currency conversion have come up recently. >There is a great, free currency converter on the net: > >Olsen & Associates: Currency Converter >http://www.olsen.ch/cgi-bin/exmenu/ Yes, I use this one often. In fact, I even have a link to it from the ordering page of The Artist Shop. I figure it would help if people knew what they were paying. But I wonder if it's actually a help to sales. Sometimes I find myself imagining someone from a distant company ready to make an order, then he or she goes to check out the converter and with boggled eyes says, 'What?! $50 is how many drachma?!?! Damn!!!' Gary Check out my Christopher Franke page at ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad@a... SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 2:33 pm Subject: Re: Re[2]: ideas? (BTH bag) Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-24 13:21:28 EDT, you write: << ...as to schulze, again, u probably are unaware that the man has opened a veritable treasure trove of unreleased material, (unlike others discussed on this list, but always lamented about) some of which can most definately not be described as 'uninspiring' (imo, of course)... tom w >> Good man, Tom! I was thinking much the same as what you wrote. You put it down in much more succinct phrasing, however. Mine was a bit more derogatory, so I ended up not responding at all. Your input is wholely appreciated. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 2:29 pm Subject: Re: Credit Card Orders on an Answering Machine Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... Hello TD Fans; I have just recently signed on to the Net and the first site I looked up was the TD Homepage, wherein I found this mailing list and immediatly subscribed. I am thrilled with what I've found here. It is great to find so many folks of like mind. About the Quinoa CD from Simon Hart as posted earlier: I called the number given (very long distance from the U.S. Midwest where I reside) and got a very nice lady with a lovely British accent. The company seems to be a legitimate business called 'ROCK LICKS'. Unfortunately, She informed me that Mr. Hart had left for the day and would not be back until Monday. Since I would prefer to do business directly with Mr. Hart, I will try again then. I feel it would be safer to send an International Money Order and plan to go this route. I'll let you know how this works out Monday. Looking forward to being an active participant in your group! Graf Zeigen From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 2:46 pm Subject: Re: Ben & Jerry's Tangerine Dream Ice Cream Really-From: TangerineC@a... Well, If there was a flavor called TD, it surely did'nt last very long. I dont even remember hearing about it. Does anyone have any facts on this? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 3:03 pm Subject: d: addendum, week of April 28 Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I'm posting this early since I won't be able to post on Monday D: List, Addendum; Week of April 28 Oasis Enjoy (those few of you who have this on CD other wise watch the video) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 3:00 pm Subject: Re: Is TD washed up? Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > > > I would have to say that you probably have just begun to listen to TD if > you liked DM over Thief. I'd even understand if one liked say Phaedra or > even Rubycon over Thief...but DM?? Nah. > > D. > Wrong again, my man. I have been listening to TD since 1992, and have heard most, if not all, the albums from _Electronic Meditation_ to the present. I think you'd be surprised at what some of my least favourite TD albums are; I pick and choose 'em as I like 'em. My favourite TD albums? Melrose, Phaedra, Rubycon, Tangram, Le Parc...and I'd have to say Dream Mixes, too. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 3:02 pm Subject: quinoa Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers Regarding the post that said Quinoa was available for 15 quid at www.uprint.demon.co.uk. Has anyone ordered one? Do you think this is on the level or a scam? Is anyone familiar with this place? Are these Quinoas genuine? The reason I ask is that they should have been about 16-17 quid at the Bonn concert (50DM) so unless these people worked a deal with the Family Froese for a large quantity they'll be losing money (first sign of a scam)... First the Bonn concert and now this!! aaarrrggghhhhh! I don't have web access so if anyone can get me one/some I would pay/trade generously for it -- this is your chance to work a deal! Please e-mail me off list. thanks lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3070 Re: quinoa Kev Holmes Fri 4/25/1997 3 KB 3291 quinoa Lars R. Jones Thu 5/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Credit Card Orders on an Answering Machine Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...> About the Quinoa CD from Simon Hart as posted earlier: I called the number given (very long distance from the U.S. Midwest where I reside) and got a very nice lady with a lovely British accent. The company seems to be a legitimate business called 'ROCK LICKS'. Unfortunately, She informed me that Mr. Hart had left for the day and would not be back until Monday. Since I would prefer to do business directly with Mr. Hart, I will try again then. I feel it would be safer to send an International Money Order and plan to go this route. I'll let you know how this works out Monday. The company is actually VoicePrint, I'm not too sure of the Rock Licks connection, but I've personally spoken to Simon Hart and he seems to have been charged with selling the TD bits, he's a nice bloke who rang me back several times to find out if he was allowed to sell me the CD. An alternative number that is definitely (wo)manned by someone with a lovely accent is +44 (0)191 512 1103. If you have major problems mail me off line, but I won't be back on-line until Monday. Don't worry about leaving Credit card details I have mentioned the worries and they do deal with them. I personaly have left my details with no problems at all. Looking forward to being an active participant in your group! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 4:05 pm Subject: Re: quinoa Really-From: Kev Holmes Well, I called up about 3 hours ago and they seemed genuine enough. I'll let you know when (or if) it arrives... If it dosen't arrive then the credit card will bounce them to high hell... Cheers, Kev tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > dreamers > Regarding the post that said Quinoa was available for 15 quid at > www.uprint.demon.co.uk. Has anyone ordered one? Do you think this is on > the level or a scam? Is anyone familiar with this place? Are these Quinoas > genuine? The reason I ask is that they should have been about 16-17 quid at > the Bonn concert (50DM) so unless these people worked a deal with the > Family Froese for a large quantity they'll be losing money (first sign of a > scam)... > > First the Bonn concert and now this!! aaarrrggghhhhh! I don't have web > access so if anyone can get me one/some I would pay/trade generously for it > -- this is your chance to work a deal! > > Please e-mail me off list. > > thanks > lars -- | Kev Holmes | email: kholmes@p... | | Technical Account Manager | | | Pure Atria | Mobile: +44 (0)385 307337 | | CW House, | Direct: +44 (0)1344 462533 | | Cookham Road, | Office: +44 (0)1344 462500 | | Bracknell | Fax: +44 (0)1344 462501 | | Berkshire, UK RG12 1RR | URL: http://www.pureatria.com | From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 3:41 pm Subject: Oasis Info, Bitte... Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... Hello all, I've yet another request for info. This time I'd like to a complete track listing of the Oasis CD, including running times. And, since you've already got the sucker handy, if you could type up the relevant production credits and catalog number, I'd be grateful. Thanks in advance, B. Kirby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3082 Re: Oasis Info, Bitte... Jens Peschke Fri 4/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 5:57 pm Subject: CD Case Label Programs Really-From: Jim Moore I'm looking for a Win95 program that allows easy creation of jewel case liners. Does anyone have any suggestions? If we're not supposed to eat animals, how come they're made of meat? jimbo@v... --- Jim Moore -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA -----------------> http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo <-------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3081 Re: CD Case Label Programs Marcel Engels Fri 4/25/1997 2 KB 3159 Re: CD Case Label Programs Rainer Rutka Mon 4/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 5:06 pm Subject: Really-From: ashok prema Grant writes;....... ''I think you'll find that most of the music the fans have produced is a lot better than much of TD's output, for the simple reason that TD made a lot of mistakes publically, and the fans don't go down those paths. Instead, they concentrate on the good bits and don't recreate the crap bits (I'm sure even Edgar would love to forget many of his 'weaker' moments). Also, fans can take months to produce a single track, whereas Edgar and co have an incredibly full schedule to run. As for production quality, the equipment available now to semi-pro and even amateur musicians is far superior to what was available in the '70s. Even a moderately powered PC can transform recorded music incredibly (noise removal, equalisation, compression, etc).'' I'm afraid I dispute the first paragraph - indeed there is much good music out there being made by amateurs - but it is rare to find an amateur who not only produces consistent quality in the composition - but also has the ability to record to a professional standard - which is not easy despite the technological advances made over the last 20 years. I speak as a musician with some such equipment - which indeed may be technologically superior to, say, the equipment used to produce 'Tangram' - (which believe it or not - was recorded on a mere 8-track tape machine.!!) - but I cannot get the production quality of 'Tangram' - mainly because I do not possess the engineering skills required to record an album up to a top notch standard. And here I am totally disregarding the musical content! You must remember that most amateur musicians may buy top quality synths and mixing desks - and even digital recording equipment - but few can afford the top notch reverbs and delay necessary to produce a pro - album ( - a single reverb unit can cost around £1000 - so its not suprising that we don't rush out to spend this sort of money on something which doesn't actually produce its own sounds!!) Most people fail to undrstand the difference a good engineer can make - but you need only talk to top musicians - and you'll find that they rarely engineer themselves - they leave that to the experts. It's back to the old age adage - it's not the equipment thats so important - it's how you use it that counts! As to the comment about time constraints - the expertise TD has gained over the years stand them in good stead- and they can still produce music in a day that amateurs can't match in years of composing a single track - some people have it - others don't - and never aquire it how ever long they take!! - TD's early days of improvising prove they have an inherent talent. Finally, I really don't think even contentwise, many amateurs can compose music to even to 'poor TD' quality - its all well for the musician himself to think his music is better than latter day TD - even I feel that way about some of my tracks - but independant listeners will probably think otherwise. Playing the devils advocate yet again!! ..........Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 5:12 pm Subject: Dream Roots Really-From: TangerineC@a... What are all the tracks on the 5cd Dream Roots? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3097 Re: Dream Roots Mark Filipak Sat 4/26/1997 5 KB 3112 Re: Dream Roots TangerineC@a... Sat 4/26/1997 2 KB 11263 Dream Roots Patric Donaghy Sat 2/21/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: The Print Run on QUINOA Really-From: Steven Feldman Er, it has bothered me that *300* copies of QUINOA have surfaced in that I seem to recall that not too many of these puppies were pressed in the first place. I don't recall the precise number (the CD came out after VOICES IN THE DUNES did), but wasn't it something like 500? Or was it 1000? Either way, it's sorta fishy that a whole 300 should all of a sudden turn up at the same time that Crazy Eddie has gone full tilt with his Special Limited Edition TDI scam-a-thon. Could it be that Ed himself stashed the 300 away for just this occasion?!?!? -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3087 Re: The Print Run on QUINOA Brian_Kirby@p... Fri 4/25/1997 2 KB 3090 Re: The Print Run on QUINOA Mark Filipak Fri 4/25/1997 3 KB 3098 Re: The Print Run on QUINOA Mark Filipak Sat 4/26/1997 2 KB 3102 Re: The Print Run on QUINOA Vic Rek Sat 4/26/1997 2 KB 3107 Re: The Print Run on QUINOA Mark Filipak Sat 4/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 5:33 pm Subject: Re: TD-Digest #891 Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-04-19 11:16:02 EDT, you write: > > << << By vangelis I dont like his niewer stuff. Albedo 0.39 is a classic, as > well as other fine works such as Antarctica, Heven and Hell, Blade > Runner soundtrack... >> > > Although I don't completely agree with you above, I can hear what > you are saying. I really like some of his more recent work, like 'Oceanic' > or 'The City' or 'Voices', but occasionally my wife will hear me listening > to some of these, and she will say. ' I thought you really hated this 'New > Age' mush.' That's the reason I don't like it, It's too soft for my taste. You should try Himekami's 'Moonwater', a very good compilation of their best themes. A very addictive music. --- Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 5:36 pm Subject: sylvian/fripp/brook tour? >> Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > > In a message dated 97-04-23 01:18:10 EDT, you write: > > << << btw, did u c the > sylvian/fripp/brook tour? >> > > Sounds like and interesting Trio! > >> > > yeah...it really was...actually it was billed as sylvian and fripp, with > michael brook as the opening act, which he did , and then supported sylvian, > fripp, mastoletto (sp?) and trey gunn...powerful stuff.... Is there, by chabce, a recording of that show? I would like to hear it. --- Francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3084 Re: sylvian/fripp/brook tour? >> Jens Peschke Fri 4/25/1997 2 KB 3167 Re: sylvian/fripp/brook tour? >> TWeibre361@a... Mon 4/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 3:28 pm Subject: Re: Time for a Change? Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > Sorry. Did I really send this without responding? Slip of > the finger! > > > Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > > > > to your post, I would like to reply with a short, one-word answer: > > > > OASIS > > > > From reading your post, I am almost certain that you have not listened to it > > yet. I think this album is as far away from Goblins Club in style like any of > > the other examples you have mentioned: > You are correct - I have not heard Oasis - YET. But, as I > sit here waiting for the working day to end, I have been > informed by my wife that Mr. Lars Jones package has arrived > and is waiting for me. Inside this package there is Oasis > (signed by all four band members) and Maedchen on the > steps. > > > Agreed. But if you change the last line to > > > > Rockoon (1992) with Oasis (1997), then your list is symmetric again. > > > > Other than that you have made a valid point. I also believe that the band has > > moved very little over the last 5 years or so, but now my hopes are up that > > this might change... > I guess that come Monday I'll be able to ither agree or > disagree with your comment. You have to bear in mind that > 'one album does not a new direction make', although of > course by the time of Oasis this'll be Dream Mixes, > Goblin's Club and Oasis (i.e. the last three releases) > which are different, so maybe they have changed after all. > > And, of course, you'll all understand if I now say > > Lars, ah luv ya! > > --------------------------------------------- > Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer > GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems > Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) > > E-mail : cordrey@m... > --------------------------------------------- I think you'll appreciate Oasis far more than GC. Oasis returns to what I feel is classic melodic TD. When I first heard the disc I even assumed that Franke or Haslinger had something to do with it. Then I realized it was Jerome & Edgar alone...and I was amazed. Just goes to show ya that they can produce great music...when they want to. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 3:37 pm Subject: What Dream mixes really is? Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > For what its worth, I support the DM over THIEF position.... > > I've been listening to TD for a LONG TIME...Thief is nice but it is OLD!!! > > One of the things I enjoy most about TD is there use of new sounds... > > I had fun (even joy) listening to LAMB WITH RADAR EYES... > > Regarding OAISIS: It was my perception that the album dates back about > six or seven years, which is why it akin to '220 volt'...I don't think > this is a'new' direction or 'found' sound.... > > Who knows??? TO each his (or her) own.... > > Mike Dream Mixes is really not too prolific. I mean come on, it's a techno album. How long have techno albums been coming out? What makes this CD any different than any other techno CD out there? Is it good just because TD did it? I think too many TD fans defend bad TD just to remain loyal. There's no objectivity anymore when it comes many TD fans. I'm not saying DM is a bad album. I like it. But it's nothing special at all. If definately doesn't deserve to be placed in the same catagory with fine productions such as Thief, Le Parc, or Underwater Sunlight. Dano (hey man, it's just my opinion) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3086 Re: What Dream mixes really is? Gabe Yedid Fri 4/25/1997 4 KB 3095 Re: What Dream mixes really is? Francisco Salgado C. Sat 4/26/1997 2 KB 3114 Re: What Dream mixes really is? TangerineC@a... Sat 4/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 6:17 pm Subject: Re: Time for a Change? Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > [....] > So, Edgar, I'm not asking that you go back to > playing Rubycon and Encore! I'm not asking that you get > back together with Franke and Haslinger! I'm not asking you > to through Jerome out! I'm not asking you to tell Jerome to > get his hair cut! > > What I am asking is - get yourself another band member, > even it's a stranger pulled off the street, so that his > ideas can kick-start your seemingly dormant genius once > again! [....] Yes ! I agree to all, Craig. Do you ever compare Schnitzler (1970) with Schnitzler (1996), Klaus Schulze (Digit1980) with Klaus Schulze (Are you sequenced 1996) ? Most single artists (even those that don´t care about economic success) are not able to be progressive for a long period. [To Hilmar: >Rockoon (1992) with Oasis (1997), then your list is symmetric again.< I agree, but if you compare OASIS (recorded 1996, released 1997) with Canyon Dreams, it seems that there are not much new ideas on OASIS (nevertheless I love OASIS). Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 6:30 pm Subject: Re: CD Case Label Programs Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Jim Moore > > > I'm looking for a Win95 program that allows easy creation of > jewel case liners. Does anyone have any suggestions? I use Microsofts Publisher 95/97. It doesn't have the jewel case liners in it standard, but I got that from a music-magazine. If you want it (a publisher-file) I can mail it to you. Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 6:48 pm Subject: Re: Oasis Info, Bitte... Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... > > Hello all, I've yet another request for info. This time I'd like to a > complete track listing of the Oasis CD, including running times. And, > since you've already got the sucker handy, if you could type up the > relevant production credits and catalog number, I'd be grateful. > > Thanks in advance, > B. Kirby Here it comes: OASIS (OST) [1996] - EF/JF 1- Flashflood [7:00] 5- Waterborne [7:20] 2- Zion [5:43] 6- Cedar Breaks [5:07] 3- Reflections [5:08] 7- Summer Storm [6:06] 4- Cliff Dwellers [5:06] 8- Mopi Mesa Heart [5:51] 1-CD [1997] TDI (EU) TDICD007 All musical material has been entirely composed, performed and recorded by Edgar Froese and Jerome Froese at Eastgate Studios Vienna 1996. (released 1997). The spindle hole says DADC, Austria. Is this enough, Brian ? Bye Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 6:47 pm Subject: Re: More Questions re Ordering QUINOA; Credit-Card Woes Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-04-24 17:58:53 EDT, you write: << Eep. In my haste, I forgot to ask a few questions about ordering with a credit card from overseas, in general. First of all, what is the current exchange rate between dollars and pounds; and second, is there a fee for converting dollars to pounds in credit card ordering, and if so, what is it? Is it proportional to the subtotal amount? (And I'm not even going to ask about postal charges.) >> the current exchange rate (4/24) was one pound to 1.662 dollars...the pound is falling, btw...no there usually is no fee by ur credit card co. for doing this...in fact, due to large currency conversions by the major credit card companies, ur exchange rates are usually better than if u did it personally at a bank...postal cahrges are another story...if it makes u feel any better, i did exactly the same thing u did...most credit card companies alllow u 2 dispute any charge, and they'll do all the leg work 4 u...so, if u dont get the goods, call ur company, tell them, and dont pay...easy as that... tom w np steel pulse - sound system From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 7:00 pm Subject: Re: sylvian/fripp/brook tour? >> Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > [...] > > yeah...it really was...actually it was billed as sylvian and fripp, with > > michael brook as the opening act, which he did , and then supported sylvian, > > fripp, mastoletto (sp?) and trey gunn...powerful stuff.... > > Is there, by chabce, a recording of that show? I would like to hear it. > > > --- > Francisco I own a b**tleg 2CD recorded live at the nakano sun plaza, tokyo october 26th during the Fripp, Sylvian, Gunn and Bottrill tour 1993 (DDD 1994). It is distributed by Why Not? S.r.l. - Italy. If one wants the tracking list e-mail me OFFLIST. After getting it I sold the God´s Monkey CD ! The sound is brilliant ! Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 7:25 pm Subject: Re: Re[2]: ideas? (BTH bag) Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-04-25 10:44:34 EDT, you write: << Good man, Tom! I was thinking much the same as what you wrote. You put it down in much more succinct phrasing, however. Mine was a bit more derogatory, so I ended up not responding at all. Your input is wholely appreciated. >> thanks...now if we could only 'inspire' td to open the trove... tom w np: steel pulse - sound system From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 7:47 pm Subject: Re: What Dream mixes really is? Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > > For what its worth, I support the DM over THIEF position.... > > > > I've been listening to TD for a LONG TIME...Thief is nice but it is OLD!!! > > > > One of the things I enjoy most about TD is there use of new sounds... > > > > I had fun (even joy) listening to LAMB WITH RADAR EYES... > > > > Regarding OAISIS: It was my perception that the album dates back about > > six or seven years, which is why it akin to '220 volt'...I don't think > > this is a'new' direction or 'found' sound.... I'd have to agree with this assessment, it's probably not representative of what they have in store. Then again, they may be completely willing to go back to that point and develop it further, if they feel the years from '94-'97 were really all a mistake. > > Who knows??? TO each his (or her) own.... > > > > Mike > > Dream Mixes is really not too prolific. I mean come on, it's a techno > album. How long have techno albums been coming out? What makes this CD > any different than any other techno CD out there? Is it good just because > TD did it? I think too many TD fans defend bad TD just to remain loyal. > There's no objectivity anymore when it comes many TD fans. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Like there ever was! > I'm not saying DM is a bad album. I like it. But it's nothing special > at all. If definately doesn't deserve to be placed in the same catagory with > fine productions such as Thief, Le Parc, or Underwater Sunlight. > > Dano (hey man, it's just my opinion) Sure it does. It was well-produced, and VERY well-executed. It re-introduced a certain 'organic' quality to TD's music that had been missing for a LONG time (not even my favourite album, _Melrose_, had this quality), and I thought that was very nice to hear again. It had energy and verve that _ToB_ and _GC_ (its successor...) could only dream of (pun probably intended). Plus, it WAS a bit of a different statement as far as techno goes, if you contrast the typical analog-heavy techno sound with the heavily digitalised sound of 1990s TD, which _Dream Mixes_ still represents. As an album, I think it is much better than _Underwater Sunlight_. Blasphemy? Maybe. But I didn't get turned on by it besides 'Song Of The Whale', and maybe 'Dolphin Dance'. _DM_ doesn't have a 'concept' but is stylistically unified. And yet, in a way, it is almost as stylistically diverse as _Le Parc_; each piece has its own distinctive character and mood(s). Gabe who is still looking ahead to where TD is going From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 7:20 pm Subject: Re: The Print Run on QUINOA Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: Steven Feldman > Er, it has bothered me that *300* copies of QUINOA have surfaced in >that I seem to recall that not too many of these puppies were pressed in >the first place. I don't recall the precise number (the CD came out >after VOICES IN THE DUNES did), but wasn't it something like 500? Did anyone get one of these? And if so, what does it look like? Perhaps a comparison to the original will shed some light... -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 7:23 pm Subject: Re[2]: Oasis Info, Bitte... Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >The spindle hole says DADC, Austria. >Is this enough, Brian ? Well, you didn't tell me what color it was... ;), B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 8:06 pm Subject: Re: CD Case Label Programs(2) Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... I also use Microsoft Publisher. The results are astounding. It is a matter of setting up your page format. I find that Adobe makes very useful programs to use in conjunction with this, as well. Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 8:17 pm Subject: Re: The Print Run on QUINOA Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > ... Either way, it's sorta fishy that a whole 300 should all > of a sudden turn up ... It's just another conspiracy Steve. > ... at the same time that Crazy Eddie ... Why do you call EF, 'Crazy Eddie?' > ... has gone full tilt with his Special Limited Edition TDI > scam-a-thon. ... It's a conspiracy and a scam! Wow, thanks Steve. > ... Could it be that Ed himself stashed the 300 away for just this > occasion?!?!? Was that before he plotted to take over the Reichstag or after? People want to know Steve. -- Mark (greatly concerned) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 8:54 pm Subject: TD Ice Cream Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: 'Grant Middleton' > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't B&J's actually create TD ice cream > about 3 years ago ? I was recently working in the States, and went to > B&J's with the intention of getting a tub. It was nowhere to be seen. Actually, it was Dreyer's Grand Light ice cream (at least in the western US) that had a TD flavor. At the time (summer '94) I was working at a grocery store (blech!!) and I had to stock some of the stuff in the freezers. Never tried it, tho. I don't like the sound of a 'light' ice cream. (What is the sound of a light ice cream going down your gullet? :-) ) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 8:02 pm Subject: Re: Is TD washed up? Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > I have a similar problem with other bands. Hawkwind are one of my > favourites, but they seem to veer wildly about, going from completely > focussed, kick ass space rock, right through to Spinal Tap out-takes. > I still go to see them, but I never know if I'm going to see one of > the most cosmic gigs of my life, or one of the most embarrassing > displays of tired old British hippydom (on their last tour they > called it the 25th Anniversary tour - no prizes for guessing which > category THAT one fell into). > > Until TD 'get their heads together', I won't be buying anything new. > > It can be done - have you listened to Oxygene 7-13 ? Jean Michel Jarre > has really gone right back to the '70s, and consequently sounds far > batter than he ever did during the '80s and '90s. I'm going to see > him in Glasgow in June as a direct result of this new/old approach > to his music. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... > Grunt ! [, @ > \______/ 'There's too much blood in > /\ /\ my caffeine system' > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I completely agree. It seems that most bands these days create something so drastically different than what they've become known for that it, to be blunt, just plain sucks. I keep buying TD's new CD's in the hopes that they inprove..but I am sad to say that I will no longer participate in the episode of 'It's TD, I want it' syndrome. I have to hear it before I buy it. Too bad. Never used to have that problem. Few artists give me what I expect....great music. Among the undisappointers: Mark Shreeve, Andy Pickford, and Jarre. With TD anymore, you know what to expect..badness..you just don't know how 'bad' it's going to be. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 8:04 pm Subject: Re: Time for a Change? Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > *** Long and potentially controversial post. Let's not > argue about the words I use, just the sentiment! *** > > Though not necessarily agreeing that TD are 'washed up', as > is being suggested in a recent thread, I > would suggest that they are indeed stuck in a sameness > 'rut'. With the obvious exception of the Dream Mixes, I > would suggest that every album between Rockoon and Goblin's > Club is of the same style. > > Within this period, they have undoubtedly strived for > change and progress, but have rarely reached passed the > bubble which is containing them in the sax/guitar/drum > frame-of-mind. > > Now, each album in this period does have its differences - > TD being TD means that whilst remining in a rut, they still > change style between albums more than most bands change > through their entire career. But looking back over the > various phases of TD, it is apparent to me that they have > moved very little in the past 6 or 7 years. > > Compare the following : > Electronic Meditaion (1970) with Rubycon (1975) > Ricochet (1975) with Exit (1981) > Thief (1981) with Underwater Sunlight (1986) > Tyger (1987) with Rockoon (1992) > Rockoon (1992) with Goblin's Club (1996) > > Certainly in the first four cases, I challenge anyone to > say that there has not been significant change between the > first and second albums quoted (NOTE - _change_, no mention > of better or worse). In the last case, it is a little more > difficult (for me anyway). Whilst I'm not saying that these > two are the same, I believe the change is far less than > before. > > And does anyone else spot the other obvious difference? > Schulze (1970) with Baumann (1975) > Baumann (1975) with Schmoelling (1981) > Schmoelling (1981) with Haslinger (1986) > Haslinger (1987) with Froese, J (1992) > Froese, J (1992) with Froese, J (1996) > > Yup, I think Jerome has outstayed his welcome. Or, we need > a third (real) member to kick new life into the sounds > being produced. Spa, Perica, Hornby, Gradwool have all come > and gone as session musicians. Even if Linda was a 'real' > member as far as playing was concerned, there's little > doubt her contribution to the music was minimal (based on > writing credits over her 7 year association with the band). > > Now, we all know there is no chance that Jerome will leave > - if anything I guess it would be Edgar who would step > aside to let his son continue. So we need new blood in > there because it is clear (to me) that the duo just aren't > doing it any more. They are still producing good music > (mostly) but they need to change direction or move > somewhere. > > I have no doubt that when Edgar says that they are moving > in new directions he really believes they are or wishes > they were. But it must be difficult to change yourself > without external stimulus, especially when you are used to > external stimulus (i.e. new member arrival) to help. > > So, Edgar, I'm not asking that you go back to > playing Rubycon and Encore! I'm not asking that you get > back together with Franke and Haslinger! I'm not asking you > to through Jerome out! I'm not asking you to tell Jerome to > get his hair cut! > > What I am asking is - get yourself another band member, > even it's a stranger pulled off the street, so that his > ideas can kick-start your seemingly dormant genius once > again! > > --------------------------------------------- > Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer > GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems > Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) > > E-mail : cordrey@m... > --------------------------------------------- I AM asking Jerome to get his hair cut! Cut it Jerome!!! You look like Roseanne!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Is TD washed up? Really-From: Ryan Smith >> Edgar is not mysterious anymore...and neither is TD. Like Franke, they >> need to make great music again. I wish most TD fans would show a little >> more discernment when judging what TD puts out these days. > >A lot of people DO like the recent stuff better. Don't ask me why. >The fans of older TD HAVE shown discernment - they stop buying their >crap CD's and don't go out of their way to see their crap shows. >That's what I did. I agree and disagree. My favorite TD albums are by far the ones from the 70s (early 70s especially). I've tried several 80s and 90s albums, but just ended up returning them, because, frankly, they just didn't have the magic sound that had turned me on to TD in the first place (like Force Majuere for example). I do, however, think that some of their recent efforts (such as DM and Goblin's Club) are at least an improvement over the Seattle Years (but that doesn't mean I'm going to run out and buy them). The thing is though, maybe the TD 70s sound that so many of us love BELONGS in the 70s and we shouldn't be expecting Edgar to resurrect the past. After I pretty much completed my TD 70s collection and was anxious for more, I turned to other German experimentalists from the 70s, and found there was a wide variety of other artists to choose from (not all of which were great, but some of which were pretty damn good). Thus I can understand why BTH wants to expand to cover more than just TD. So if you're tired of waiting for Edgar to rediscover the magic, try some other artists in the meantime. Maybe you'll be surprised (although I have to admit that TD is still my favorite). Here are a few suggestions if you're interested: Klaus Schulze, Popol Vuh, Jean-Michael Jarre (although I've never heard him myself), and any former members of TD. Kaldari kaldari@c... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 11:30 pm Subject: Re: What Dream mixes really is? Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > There's no objectivity anymore when it comes many TD fans. I'm not saying > DM is a bad album. I like it. But it's nothing special at all. If > definately doesn't deserve to be placed in the same catagory with fine > productions such as Thief, Le Parc, or Underwater Sunlight. Yes it deserves it. Dream Mixes is the best TD has done in the 90'ies It's the last 'great', album TD has prodiced and is one reason I hope TD will surprise us again in the future ( hopefully near future) > Dano (hey man, it's just my opinion) Same applies to me. N.P. TD: Persistence of Vision ---- Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 11:40 pm Subject: Re: Time for a Change? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > *** Long and potentially controversial post. Let's not > argue about the words I use, just the sentiment! *** An open invitation to come out and play. ;-) > Though not necessarily agreeing that TD are 'washed up', as > is being suggested in a recent thread, I > would suggest that they are indeed stuck in a sameness > 'rut'. With the obvious exception of the Dream Mixes, I > would suggest that every album between Rockoon and Goblin's > Club is of the same style. Same style I would not argue with. Sameness 'rut?' -- I disagree. Would you say that they were stuck in a sameness 'rut' when they turned out 'Phaedra' followed by 'Rubycon' or is the string of albums starting with 'Force Majeure' and ending with 'Poland' a sameness 'rut' in your mind? Point is the albums from 'Optical Race' through 'Goblins' Club' exhibit just as much variety or more. That they seem the same to you is your misfortune -- sometimes a plain woman is more than a plain woman when viewed through different eyes. > Within this period, they have undoubtedly strived for > change and progress, but have rarely reached passed the > bubble which is containing them in the sax/guitar/drum > frame-of-mind. This is the style of TD-Lite. You don't like it? -- that's fine. It appears to be changing and perhaps you'll be happier in the future (and poorer as you convert $ into discs). ;-) > Now, each album in this period does have its differences - > TD being TD means that whilst remining in a rut, they still > change style between albums more than most bands change > through their entire career. But looking back over the > various phases of TD, it is apparent to me that they have > moved very little in the past 6 or 7 years. Yes Craig. It's apparent to you. I know it's been apparent to you for a long time now. But keep writing it as I never tire of reading it. > Compare the following : > Electronic Meditaion (1970) with Rubycon (1975) > Ricochet (1975) with Exit (1981) > Thief (1981) with Underwater Sunlight (1986) > Tyger (1987) with Rockoon (1992) > Rockoon (1992) with Goblin's Club (1996) Were you trying to make a point here? > Certainly in the first four cases, I challenge anyone to > say that there has not been significant change between the > first and second albums quoted (NOTE - _change_, no mention > of better or worse). In the last case, it is a little more > difficult (for me anyway). Whilst I'm not saying that these > two are the same, I believe the change is far less than > before. There is significant change in all your examples, including from 'Rockoon' to 'Goblins' Club' -- too bad you don't hear it. > And does anyone else spot the other obvious difference? > Schulze (1970) with Baumann (1975) > Baumann (1975) with Schmoelling (1981) > Schmoelling (1981) with Haslinger (1986) > Haslinger (1987) with Froese, J (1992) > Froese, J (1992) with Froese, J (1996) > > Yup, I think Jerome has outstayed his welcome. What about Froese, E (1970) with Froese, E (1975) Froese, E (1975) with Froese, E (1981) Froese, E (1981) with Froese, E (1986) Froese, E (1987) with Froese, E (1992) Froese, E (1992) with Froese, E (1996) I suppose he's **really** outstayed his welcome. Should we dump him? -- or just dump on him? > Or, we need > a third (real) member to kick new life into the sounds > being produced. Spa, Perica, Hornby, Gradwool have all come > and gone as session musicians. Even if Linda was a 'real' > member as far as playing was concerned, there's little > doubt her contribution to the music was minimal (based on > writing credits over her 7 year association with the band). Agreed, the band needs a new edge. Perhaps the new lineup will work that way -- reports of Froese, E smiling on stage while nodding to Hachfeld, E is very encouraging to me! > Now, we all know there is no chance that Jerome will leave Who knows? He may revolt and grow his hair even longer and poofier and become the next Liberace. Maybe he can sing? Phil Collins is getting old and in need of replacement. Or maybe Jerome yearns to be a hair dresser? Look how many kids J.S.B. had and only 2 became notable musicians. Perhaps Edgar and Monika should adopt. > - if anything I guess it would be Edgar who would step > aside to let his son continue. So we need new blood in > there because it is clear (to me) that the duo just aren't > doing it any more. They are still producing good music > (mostly) but they need to change direction or move > somewhere. Give them time Craig. Edgar declared a new (saxless) direction (which I'm tentatively calling 'E-Power'). Let's all see if he delivers before we condemn him to a retirement home, shall we? > I have no doubt that when Edgar says that they are moving > in new directions he really believes they are or wishes > they were. But it must be difficult to change yourself > without external stimulus, especially when you are used to > external stimulus (i.e. new member arrival) to help. (See previous comment) > So, Edgar, I'm not asking that you go back to > playing Rubycon and Encore! I'm not asking that you get > back together with Franke and Haslinger! I'm not asking you > to through Jerome out! I'm not asking you to tell Jerome to > get his hair cut! > > What I am asking is - get yourself another band member, > even it's a stranger pulled off the street, so that his > ideas can kick-start your seemingly dormant genius once > again! Volunteers? Who will take on the old man? Who could? This was fun Craig. Thanks -- Mark (prematurely young) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 11:01 pm Subject: Re: Dream Roots Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > What are all the tracks on the 5cd Dream Roots? Here's more than you wanted to know. BTW, the track names are their actual names, not necessarily what's printed. If you are unfamiliar with any of these ('The Smuggler' for example) I can cross reference them. Cheers -- Mark DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD) + BOOK OF DREAMS (2-CD) 1- Birth of Liquid Plejades 23- Underwater Twilight [5:53] [4:48] (&) 24- Livemiles [9:01] (%) 2- Journey Through a Burning Brain 25- The Dungeon Cry [7:11] (&) [3:03] (&) 26- Gaudi Park [5:20] 3- Alpha Centauri [3:22] (&) 27- The Smuggler [6:00] (&) 4- Zeit [3:35] (&) 28- Alchemy of the Heart [8:44] 5- Wahn [3:23] (&; no shouts) 29- The Smuggler [7:51] (2nd remix 6- Fauni-Gena [4:02] (&) with intro; labeled 'Horizon') 7- Green Desert [5:31] (&) 30- Song of the Whale Pt.1 8- White Clouds [4:27] (%) [5:04] (%) 9- Astral Voyager [6:15] (%) 31- Yellowstone Park [6:13] 10- Origin of Supernatural 32- Jungle Mystery Song [5:37] Probabilities [8:01] (&) 33- Bois de Boulogne [5:17] 11- Indian Summer [6:44] 34- Tiergarten [3:18] (&) 12- Ride on the Ray [5:19] 35- Poland [9:21] (&) 13- Livemiles [7:59] 36- Warsaw in the Sun Pt.1 [4:17] (Livemiles-Albuquerque 2 plus 37- San Buena Ventura [5:15] 1st half of San Buena Ventura) 38- Rarebird [4:00] 14- Tangent [5:23] (&) 39- Song of the Whale Pt.2 15- Smile [5:45] [6:00] (&) 16- Sunnyvale [7:02] 40- Rotton Row Patriot [4:54] (&) 17- Vigour [4:38] (next 4 - previously unreleased) 18- Central Park [3:39] (&) [Oct 85/Jan 86] - EF/CF 19- Zen Garden [4:46] (&) 41- Valley of the Sun [15:07] 20- Caspian Sea [7:10] 42- Beach Bay Bunker [9:41] 21- Le Parc [3:25] 43- Vanishing Blue [9:13] 22- 21st Century Common Man Pt.2 44- Red Morpho [11:39] [3:56] Actual times fr Essential, ???... % - excerpted by EF; & - remixed by EF 2-CD BOOK OF DREAMS Tracks: Disc 1: 2,3,1,4,6,5,7,35,27,36,30,39 / Disc 2: 28,25,40,32,13,26,33,21,31 [1995] Essential (GB) EDF 353 [1995] Dureco (NL) EDF 353 [1996] Sequel (US) 1014-2 [19??] 50:50 (FR) ???... 5-CD DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION Tracks: Disc 1: 1-11 / Disc 2: 12-20 / Disc 3: 21-29 / Disc 4: 30-40 / Disc 5: 41-44 [1996] Essential (GB) ???... [1996] MSI (US?) 420 [1996] Bertus (NL) ???... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 11:44 pm Subject: Re: The Print Run on QUINOA Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > ... I don't recall the precise number (the CD came out after VOICES IN > THE DUNES did), but wasn't it something like 500? Or was it 1000? ... I believe the TD home page says 1000. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: ideas Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >I think you'll find that most of the music the fans have produced is a >lot better than much of TD's output, for the simple reason that TD made >a lot of mistakes publically, and the fans don't go down those paths. >Instead, they concentrate on the good bits and don't recreate the crap >bits (I'm sure even Edgar would love to forget many of his 'weaker' >moments). Also, fans can take months to produce a single track, whereas >Edgar and co have an incredibly full schedule to run. Again, no offense inteded against the _music_ *, just against sending it to Edgar to listen to. They get _drowned_ in these things. So if you want to honor him for the 30th of TD, please do something else, something that might actually mean something special to him. =klaus= * I knew why I started my original comment with this, and still.... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3103 Re: ideas Vic Rek Sat 4/26/1997 2 KB 3104 Re: ideas Rakinik Intertype Sat 4/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: RE: 'The Blob' & ***NO*** book errors Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >The CD *does* definitely exist, even if it is a real hard-to-find item. >I have got a copy: And I can confirm this, and that I've seen it in shops but never bought it because I think it sucks... >;-) And I am very sorry, we cannot be held responsible for what has been >filed in the FAQ or in any Internet music archives. > >Peter Stoeferle (author or 'Voices in the dunes') Dir hau ich.... ;-) Klaus Beschorner (co-author of the FAQ, the tadream-FAQ that is, not the Schnitzler/Schulze/Hoenig etc. etc. ad nauseam ad infinitum... - FAQ) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 4:06 am Subject: Re: Really-From: feldon@n... At 06:06 PM 4/25/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: ashok prema > >>''I think you'll find that most of the music the fans have produced is >>a lot better than much of TD's output, for the simple reason that TD >>made a lot of mistakes publically, and the fans don't go down those >>paths. Also, fans can take months to produce a single >>track, whereas Edgar and co have an incredibly full schedule to run. >> >>As for production quality, the equipment available now to semi-pro >>and even amateur musicians is far superior to what was available in >>the '70s. >I'm afraid I dispute the first paragraph - indeed there is much good music >out there being made by amateurs - but it is rare to find an amateur >who not only produces consistent quality in the composition So you're saying that because Tangerine Dream is a professional group and because they have lots of money, their music is inherently better than music done by someone who doesn't? >I speak as >a musician with some such equipment - which indeed may be technologically >superior to, say, the equipment used to produce 'Tangram' >but I >cannot get the production quality of 'Tangram' - mainly because I do not >possess the engineering skills required to record an album up to a top >notch standard. I don't understand this statement. Phaedra was done on a 4 track, no? You can't exactly say that TD's equipment between 69 and 75 was always professional. And finally, haven't Edgar and Jerome engineered the last two concert CDs themselves? It's *nice* to have $50,000 worth of equipment but I will argue that professional recordings and mixing can be done with SoundForge and a SoundBlaster 32. >And here I am totally disregarding the musical content! >You must remember that most amateur musicians may buy top quality synths >and mixing desks - and even digital recording equipment - but few can >afford the top notch reverbs and delay necessary to produce a pro - album >( - a single reverb unit can cost around £1000 - so its not suprising that >we don't rush out to spend this sort of money on something which doesn't >actually produce its own sounds!!) I was not aware that a DSP box was required to make great music. So an echo box makes great music? >Finally, I really don't think even contentwise, many amateurs can compose >music to even to 'poor TD' quality - its all well for the musician himself >to think his music is better than latter day TD - even I feel that way about >some of my tracks - but independant listeners will probably think otherwise. I don't know how to respond to this other than everybody can't be wrong. It is very admirable that you are putting Tangerine Dream on such a high pedestal. I think there will be one day, if not already, people producing maybe just tracks, not even whole albums, which are as good musically as TD. Am I misquoting Christoph Franke when I say: 'I felt that we were doing music too fast, releasing unfinished material, there were kids accomplishing better music than us with a couple of keyboards, that's why I left.' ? >Playing the devils advocate yet again!! ..........Ash Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 4:49 am Subject: Re: The Print Run on QUINOA Really-From: Vic Rek >I believe the TD home page says 1000. -- Mark > Yes, and I also believe that the back insert states something like 'This Edition is not for sale/resale', so what goes here? I guess the original TD fan club members don't count OR what is printed these days on CDs doesn't count. Maybe this copyright stuff doesn't mean anything anymore? Lawyers, get your pens ready.. I have a letter from the 'defunct' fan club stating how rare this will be, and then I hear that people are being offered this at the 1997 tour and then that 300 copies show up! I'd like to know who is up to this! This is not the first time I've complained about the marketing tactics by TD! Scam-a-thon sounds good to me! If this CD was for the fans, then why were the 300 copies NOT given away!!! Let's not forget our values!! Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 4:53 am Subject: Re: ideas Really-From: Vic Rek Well Klaus, I challenge you! Come up with something! >So if you want to honor him for the 30th of TD, please do something else, >something that might actually mean something special to him. > >=klaus= > >* I knew why I started my original comment with this, and still.... > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 2:49 am Subject: Re: ideas Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Vic Rek > > Well Klaus, > > I challenge you! Come up with something! > > >So if you want to honor him for the 30th of TD, please do something else, > >something that might actually mean something special to him. > > > >=klaus= > > > >* I knew why I started my original comment with this, and still.... > > > > I know what we can do! Get his son a hair cut! heh heh From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 8:13 am Subject: T-Bass Competition Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi All, The results of the Great T-Bass Caption Competition are out now. The winners were : First : Francisco Salgado Second : Michael Fox Third : Michal Balcerzak Check out the web page to see Francisco's picture (the only picture entry we received). Cheers David T-Bass : Electronic Music email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 10:00 am Subject: pro-music by amateurs?? Really-From: ashok prema rom: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 23:06:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Really-From: feldon@n... At 06:06 PM 4/25/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: ashok prema > >>''I think you'll find that most of the music the fans have produced is >>a lot better than much of TD's output, for the simple reason that TD >>made a lot of mistakes publically, and the fans don't go down those >>paths. Also, fans can take months to produce a single >>track, whereas Edgar and co have an incredibly full schedule to run. >> >>As for production quality, the equipment available now to semi-pro >>and even amateur musicians is far superior to what was available in >>the '70s. >>I'm afraid I dispute the first paragraph - indeed there is much good= >>music >>out there being made by amateurs - but it is rare to find an amateur >>who not only produces consistent quality in the composition >So you're saying that because Tangerine Dream is a professional group and >because they have lots of money, their music is inherently better than music >done by someone who doesn't? Absolutely not! - but TD HAVE proven they have a talent to produce good music - not always to each of our individuals tastes - but if they didn't or hadn't in the past - neither you or I would be hooked up to this Digest having this conversation now! - I like Floyd, Camel, Wakeman, Vangelis - but don't get that heavily involved with the background of their music as I do with TD. >>I speak as >>a musician with some such equipment - which indeed may be = >>? technologically >>superior to, say, the equipment used to produce 'Tangram' >>but I >>cannot get the production quality of 'Tangram' - mainly because I do not >>possess the engineering skills required to record an album up to a top >>notch standard. I don't understand this statement. Phaedra was done on a 4 track, no? You can't exactly say that TD's equipment between 69 and 75 was always professional. And finally, haven't Edgar and Jerome engineered the last two concert CDs themselves? It's *nice* to have $50,000 worth of equipment but I will argue that professional recordings and mixing can be done with SoundForge and a SoundBlaster 32. >>What is it that you fail to grasp?? - even TD's current production is superior to >>that of most home based amateur musicicans - and note I say PRODUCTION >>- not musical content . >>And here I am totally disregarding the musical content! >>You must remember that most amateur musicians may buy top quality synths >>and mixing desks - and even digital recording equipment - but few can >>afford the top notch reverbs and delay necessary to produce a pro - album >>( - a single reverb unit can cost around =A31000 - so its not suprising= t>>hat >>we don't rush out to spend this sort of money on something which doesn't >>actually produce its own sounds!!) >I was not aware that a DSP box was required to make great music. So an echo >box makes great music? It isn't - but it is necessary to get a great production! -Most of TD sequneces are syncopated with delays - take them of and you have dead music. Why Chris Franke has 30,000 UK pounds worth of effects only - maybe just for show?? Perhaps top flight studios should should sell all there effects units and settle down with Soundforge - they can have a grand improvement in life style with the thousands of pounds they'd save.! Switch of all the effects and you'd lose a good 50% of the ambience and feel of almost any album!! >>Finally, I really don't think even contentwise, many amateurs can compose >>music to even to 'poor TD' quality - its all well for the musician= > himself >>to think his music is better than latter day TD - even I feel that way= >>about >>some of my tracks - but independant listeners will probably think otherwise. >I don't know how to respond to this other than everybody can't be wrong. It i>s very admirable that you are putting Tangerine Dream on such a high >pedestal. I think there will be one day, if not already, people producing >maybe just tracks, not even whole albums, which are as good musically as TD. I am a realist. I have heard hundreds of amateur tapes - and frankly a mere handful would be worthy of a second consideration. There ARE a few top notch synth musicians (Shreeve, Boddy, Pickford, T-Bass etc) who are almost if not quite in the same league as TD, Vangelis and Jarre - but I don't regard these people as 'amateurs' they are pro's - but just haven't hit the big time - but apart from Shreeve whose studio is top notch most would admit that finances permitting, they'd like to upgrade their gear - usually the outboard stuff - NOT they the synths. Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3222 Re: pro-music by amateurs?? Michael Fox Wed 4/30/1997 8 KB 3230 Re: pro-music by amateurs?? Grant Middleton Wed 4/30/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 10:35 am Subject: Re: The Print Run on QUINOA Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Vic Rek > ... > I have a letter from the 'defunct' fan club stating how rare this will > be, and then I hear that people are being offered this at the 1997 > tour and then that 300 copies show up! I'd like to know who is up to > this! This is not the first time I've complained about the marketing > tactics by TD! Scam-a-thon sounds good to me! Settle down Vic. I would suppose that a reasonable explanation might be that TD Productions provided all the Quinoa to TDIFC members who wanted one and the rest were stashed away and forgotten until recently rediscovered. Though 'Quinoa' is important to us, it's probably very perpheral to TDI. > If this CD was for the fans, then why were the 300 copies NOT given > away!!! They were -- to me. I turned around and sold all 300 to a company in England... > Let's not forget our values!! What? Don't you think stlg 15 is value? -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 3:53 pm Subject: Re: Eat more fruit Really-From: SYensen@a... In a message dated 20/04/97 11:27:24, you write: << To stay healthy, eat Oranges from France! They are ready to be picked, do it quick otherwise you cannot taste them anymore! >> Eh? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 3:53 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #895 Really-From: SYensen@a... << Hey, I love Cyclone, it was my first exposure to TD and I'll always love it. >> So do I. It may not be to everybody's taste, but it's still vintage TD. My first exposure to TD was Alpha Centauri, and my last so far is Rockoon, but I'm trying to catch up fast! Steve Yensen Nottingham UK. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3120 Re: tadream-digest V15 #895 Dennis Nigbur Sat 4/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 3:53 pm Subject: Quinoa:the sacred disc---now for sale! Really-From: feldon@n... At 12:49 AM 4/26/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Vic Rek > > >>I believe the TD home page says 1000. -- Mark >> >Yes, and I also believe that the back insert states something like 'This >Edition is not for sale/resale', so what goes here? I guess the original TD >fan club members don't count OR what is printed these days on CDs doesn't >count. On one hand, I agree that the disc was designed for the fan club and should only be given to them. On the other hand, Edgar had discs laying around and didn't know what to do with them, plus, the fan club has had the discs exclusively for a few years right? In a way, isn't that enough of a privilege. I don't want to upset fan club members, but Quinoa has been shelved long enough. It took 30 years for the Berlin wall to come down, I'm glad that Quinoa is seeing the light of day in considerably less than that. >I have a letter from the 'defunct' fan club stating how rare this will be, >and then I hear that people are being offered this at the 1997 tour and then >that 300 copies show up! I'd like to know who is up to this! This is not >the first time I've complained about the marketing tactics by TD! I agree that their philosophy of releasing an album, then coming out with a single with *one* more song, forcing everyone to buy two CDs, and then to add insult to injury, years later releasing one disc with all of the material on it is silly. >Scam-a-thon sounds good to me! > >If this CD was for the fans, then why were the 300 copies NOT given away!!! True, I'm sure there are a few interested parties on this list which missed the boat years ago with the original fan club. >Let's not forget our values!! Actually, I felt I was being tasteful by not asking for a copy of Quinoa from someone since I thought it was a sacred kind of thing. Oh well... Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 4:20 pm Subject: Re: Budapest concer review Really-From: 'Amadeo J. Szaszdi' > > Really-From: Pixel > > A big applause for the new Hungarian subscriber! Zsolt, you are the > fourth after Andrew Rozsa from US, Levente Toth from the UK, and me. > > Gabor Gerenyi An enthusiastic ditto from me on the above. And please include me on your list: born Szaszdi Gyula in Budapest, 1942 Nov. resident/citizen in Cleveland, Ohio 1950 to 1963 employed by Dept. of Veterans Affairs, Washington, 1963 to present TD fan since buying Peter Baumann's 'Romance 76' in 1977 > It is a huge audience for the current TD if you compare with the > Vienna audience (300) or Amsterdam (600). Anja also agreed with me and > stated that it was almost the best-selled performance, only Bonn has > beaten it. Outstanding! And for Bonn, it was much cheaper. AJS From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 4:36 pm Subject: Re: Dream Roots Really-From: TangerineC@a... Wow!!!!! Thanks for the extensive list!!! It really came in handy. O.k. Questions about some of the songs. I dont think i've heard about, or the titles are not familiar to me. More info on these: Indian Summer The Smuggler Sunnyvale Caspian Sea Rotten Row Patriot San Buena Ventura Jungle Mystery Song The Dungeon Cry Thanks for your time. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 4:38 pm Subject: help! Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) Help! since three days or so I don't receive any mail from tadream anymore, but I never unsubscribed! Who can fix or help me? (please mail to ath@s..., since I cannot read tadream anymore) Armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26753 help! Tom Richmond Mon 4/16/2001 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 4:56 pm Subject: Re: What Dream mixes really is? Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-04-25 16:25:06 EDT, you write: > I'm not saying >DM is a bad album. I like it. But it's nothing special at all. If >definately doesn't deserve to be placed in the same catagory with fine >productions such as Thief, Le Parc, or Underwater Sunlight. > >Dano (hey man, it's just my opinion) And your opinion is absolutley correct. TD started out as an experimental group. Finding new sounds and great stuff like that. They changed the face of music. Today(even though I still love TD), they are just a production machine. They are pumping out albums that sound to commercial. What I mean by that is, it's like prefering the rock group Poison over Cheap Trick. Cheap trick is pure rock. Poison? Well, a cheap imitation. That's what I feel TD music has become. I think TD has to get back to how they started. Not going back musically, but making new sounds, directions, becoming a force in the music industry again,not just being remembered for doing it 25 years ago. I know this is going to start a flame, but it's how I feel. Comments are welcome. (I'm sure i'll hear it!!!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 6:13 pm Subject: did Schmoelling change it all?? Really-From: Alexander Bjelke Hi all, Some questions from a newbie to the pro Dreamers... I did just buy White Eagle today and I think it's a good album, though it don't stike me as Stratosfear and Rubycon did. Stratosfear and Rubycon contains a lot more emotions and atmosphere, from my point of view. I did notice that the line-up has changed in White Eagle, so was it Schmoelling that changed TD?? Was a new style introdused with Schmoelling?? The fave album to many Dreamers is Tangram, so is Tangram more like the 'synthetic' White Eagle or more like the 'organic' Stratosfear?? The Dream must go on.... Alexander Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3119 Chris Franke MIDI files Steve Quinney Sat 4/26/1997 2 KB 3123 Re: did Schmoelling change it all?? feldon@n... Sat 4/26/1997 4 KB 3125 Re: did Schmoelling change it all?? Marcel Engels Sat 4/26/1997 2 KB 3128 Re: did Schmoelling change it all?? Mark Filipak Sat 4/26/1997 3 KB 3132 Re: did Schmoelling change it all?? feldon@n... Sun 4/27/1997 2 KB 3133 Re: did Schmoelling change it all?? Mark Filipak Sun 4/27/1997 4 KB 3134 Re: did Schmoelling change it all?? Capel Martyn Sun 4/27/1997 3 KB 3140 Re: did Schmoelling change it all?? GrafZeigen@a... Sun 4/27/1997 4 KB 3156 Re: did Schmoelling change it all?? Grant Middleton Mon 4/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 6:27 pm Subject: Quinoa / Tour Really-From: HMller1095@a... I had the chance to see TD backstage after the Hamburg concert, and when I talked with Edgar we shortly touched Quinoa. He said that they thought it would be fair towards the members of the former fan club if they waited a few years before selling the remaining copies of Quinoa. 1000 copies were printed, and they were selling the rest - i e the difference between the number of fan club members and 1000 - during the tour. So he was clearly referring to the 30 something copies that were sold in Bonn. All this doesn't make sense if there are really 300 more copies. Now does anybody know how many members the fan club had when it dissolved? Maybe this could solve the mystery. I read in the local (!) newspaper today that TD continue their European tour - at least with one date: 27/06/97 Kassel (Germany). This will be an open air concert. The ad says that this will be the world's first 'hot-air concert' - whatever this means ('hot-air' as in hot-air balloon). Hans-Peter From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 6:56 pm Subject: Re: Pleasant surprise, Klaus Schulze Really-From: Alan Justrabo >Subject: Pleasant surprise > >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > >I was walking around the local Virgin store at lunchtime today >and for a laugh decided to see if they had a 'Klaus Schulze' >section. > >Indeed they did ! > >The only disc there was 'Timewind' for STLG 10.00 > >N.P. - Timewind by Klaus Schulze ! Is this one of those dreams the list members have been having :) ? Next you'll be hearing Klaus Schulze and Tangerine Dream on the radio! Here in London, Ontario, Canada, we occasionally get some shockers like this, but we still can't get 'Goblin's Club', let alone re-mixes or 'Oasis'. The used stores can get interesting sometimes, though, my brother found 'Timewind' in one a couple of years ago...but a real Klaus Schulze section...that would make my day, here, too, Grant! Struggling to find Tangerine Dream in the 'New Age' sections is pretty exciting, though :) Also, in reference to sounds-like Tangerine Dream type artists/groups, does anyone remember an artist (American, I believe) named Michael Garrison? I have some vinyl by him (which I still think is excellent): 'In the Regions of Sunreturn' 1979, 'Prisms' 1981, 'Eclipse' 1982 and 'Point of Impact' 1983. I lost track of him after that...does anyone know anything else about him (including current releases/plans)? If you get the chance, try the first one (Sunreturn), it is, IMO, excellent! Al Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3130 Re: Pleasant surprise, Klaus Schulze Jens Peschke Sat 4/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: No TD Mail Really-From: Matt Williams I havn't had any TD mail for about three days,has anyone else had this problem or has it just been that quiet(I can't believe that :)) Matt... MATTHEW WILLIAMS EMAIL: matt@s... 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 7:36 pm Subject: Chris Franke MIDI files Really-From: Steve Quinney There are some MIDI files from Christopher Franke on his web site presumably done by Chris himself. http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/cfmidi.html They include 2 Babylon 5 and a couple from Pacific Coast Highway I think. Check them out Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 1:05 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #895 Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Sat, 26 Apr 1997 11:53:40 -0400 (EDT) tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: SYensen@a... > > ><< Hey, I love Cyclone, it was my first exposure to TD and I'll always love >it. >> > >So do I. It may not be to everybody's taste, but it's still vintage TD. > >My first exposure to TD was Alpha Centauri, and my last so far is Rockoon, >but I'm trying to catch up fast! > >Steve Yensen > >Nottingham UK. Alpha Centauri's brilliant, isn't it?? It's so much underrated. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 8:39 pm Subject: TD Ice Cream Really-From: Michael A Jean This product has already been out on the market, and subsequently recalled, perhaps because of the trademark infringment... If anyone doubts it, I still have the carton to prove it...It tasted a bit like Orange Sherbet... I drew this to the attention of BTH a couple of years ago, and they did a funny write up about it, and the facial cleanser etc.... Mike J Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3148 Re: TD Ice Cream PNaunton@a... Mon 4/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 8:45 pm Subject: Re: No TD Mail Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > I havn't had any TD mail for about three days,has anyone else had this > problem or has it just been that quiet(I can't believe that :)) > > Matt... > > > Yeah.. Majordomo choose to knock me off a few days ago.. it hasn't been quiet here at all.. sorry to say I was frightened when I came back after a few days absence and saw threads like 'Is TD washed up?' and 'Time for a Change.' This list changes about as fast as TD's music -used- to. `=o) Greg.. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 9:01 pm Subject: Re: did Schmoelling change it all?? Really-From: feldon@n... At 08:13 PM 4/26/97 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > >Some questions from a newbie to the pro Dreamers... >I did just buy White Eagle today and I think it's a good album, though >it don't stike me as Stratosfear and Rubycon did. Me neither. Stratosfear, Phaedra, Rubycon, and Force Majeure are truly awesome. White Eagle doesn't feel as powerful (except the last track---which I can listen to over and over). >Stratosfear and >Rubycon contains a lot more emotions and atmosphere, from my point of >view. I did notice that the line-up has changed in White Eagle, so was >it Schmoelling that changed TD?? Was a new style introdused with >Schmoelling?? Yes, there was a major change when Schmoelling joined the band. However, I don't think that Tangram and White Eagle are the best introduction to this new style. Even thought Tangram is very good musically, the ambient sound that you've gotten used to is completely gone. If you want a really awesome introduction to the Froese/Franke/Schmoelling lineup, get Logos and Poland. After Phaedra and Rubycon, these are my two favorite discs! (make sure you get the full-length 2CD of Poland). >The fave album to many Dreamers is Tangram, so is Tangram more like the >'synthetic' White Eagle or more like the 'organic' Stratosfear?? Tangram uses very simple instruments (no thick bass or ambient strings), but regardless, Tangram is very good *musically*. The only track on White Eagle that I listen to is 'White Eagle', the last track. Here's some trivia: During the Logos concerts (a total of two hours), not only did they play almost 1 hour of completely unreleased stuff, they also played the track 'White Eagle' as Encore #2 and 3 minutes of 'Tangent' (which later became a 20 minute track for the Poland concert). These didn't appear on the Logos disc, but just thought you'd like to know. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 9:38 pm Subject: Re: OASIS BONUS? Really-From: Michael A Jean Based on the track listing for Oasis, it sounds as if there is a bonus cut that isn't on the video! Can someone confirm this? Also, based on the numbering system of the TDI CDs it sounds like DAS MADCHEN could have been offered at Shepard's Bush (though having been there, I know it wasn't)...How mysterious... 8^O Mike J, Chicago From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 9:39 pm Subject: Re: did Schmoelling change it all?? Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: feldon@n... > > Tangram uses very simple instruments (no thick bass or ambient strings), but > regardless, Tangram is very good *musically*. The only track on White Eagle > that I listen to is 'White Eagle', the last track. ???? Simple instruments ??? I wouldn't call 3 Moog Modulars, a PPG Modular, a few Prophet 5, Oberheim 4/8 voice, Minimoog etc. simple instruments! Just a thought Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 9:43 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #901 (Time for a Change?) Really-From: Gary Struhlik At 02:01 26.04.97 -0500, you wrote: >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:54:04 GB-EIRE >Subject: Time for a Change? >What I am asking is - get yourself another band member, >even it's a stranger pulled off the street, so that his >ideas can kick-start your seemingly dormant genius once >again! I think the band has found a new member. His name is Emil Hachfeld ! Gary S. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 9:44 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #901 (Budapest concer review) Really-From: Gary Struhlik At 02:01 26.04.97 -0500, you wrote: >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:59:14 CET >Subject: Budapest concer review > >Really-From: 'Szalma Zsolt' > >Hi folks, > >Well, I am sort of a newbie on this list. I only subscribed two weeks >ago but I like it very much so far! >It was especially intersting reading the European concert reviews. >Thanks guys! >And just adding one more to the row, here's my experience of the TD >concert on April 22 at the Petofi Csarnok. > > >First of all, the place where the show was held at is rather small. >The concert room can hold no more than a 1000 people I think. My perception is that this seems to be characteristic for this tour. The room (not hall !) in Berlin at the HdK was very small too. This was perhaps the new atmosphere !? But I liked it because most of the fans were in the nearness of the stage (of TD). >So it looked like we'd be going to experience a very personal show, almost >like a big family. Yes this was something like this. Very good. >An other thing, most of those >attending the show were at their late twenties or early thirties. >No teenagers at all and a few older folks. The third thing, there >were considerably more men then women. (I don't know the reason.) This was my perception too. Gary S. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 10:37 pm Subject: Re: did Schmoelling change it all?? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > > Hi all, > > Some questions from a newbie to the pro Dreamers... > I did just buy White Eagle today and I think it's a good album, though > it don't stike me as Stratosfear and Rubycon did. Stratosfear and > Rubycon contains a lot more emotions and atmosphere, from my point of > view. I did notice that the line-up has changed in White Eagle, so was > it Schmoelling that changed TD?? Was a new style introdused with > Schmoelling?? I think Edgar jumpped at the chance to get Johannes in the band. He's an excellent pianist and fit in nicely with the new equipment TD was getting. As a result, the band was able to do more individual instrument features and this naturally led to an evolution in their style. I really like the EF/CF/PB lineup, but in my opinion, the EF/CF/JS lineup produced the more interesting music. My studio fav of the era is probably 'Hyperborea' (ask me tomorrow, get a different answer!) but I like the live albums ('Quichotte/Pergamon', 'Logos', and 'Poland') best of all. Have fun and sweet dreams -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 10:28 pm Subject: Michael Garrison Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Alan Justrabo > > ... does anyone remember an artist (American, I believe) named Michael > Garrison? I have some vinyl by him (which I still think is excellent): > 'In the Regions of Sunreturn' 1979, 'Prisms' 1981, 'Eclipse' 1982 and > 'Point of Impact' 1983. I lost track of him after that...does anyone > know anything else about him (including current releases/plans)? ... Michael is from the Pacific Northwest -- Portland Oregon I believe. He has his own label, CD mail-order shop, and web page. Sorry, I don't know his URL as I gave up on him 10 years ago (he contracted 'new-age-itis'). I had 'In the Regions of Sunreturn', 'Prisms', 'Eclipse', et cetera but got very tired of him. He has done many projects since and has a couple of dozen CDs I think. If you do a web search on '+Michael +Garrison' you should find him pretty easily. Good luck -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3131 Re: Michael Garrison Mark Filipak Sun 4/27/1997 3 KB 3135 Re: Michael Garrison Larry E Smith Sun 4/27/1997 3 KB 3136 Re: Michael Garrison Mark Filipak Sun 4/27/1997 4 KB 3143 Re: Michael Garrison Larry E Smith Sun 4/27/1997 4 KB 3147 Re: Michael Garrison Mark Filipak Mon 4/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 10:44 pm Subject: Re: Pleasant surprise, Klaus Schulze Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Also, in reference to sounds-like Tangerine Dream type artists/groups, > does anyone remember an artist (American, I believe) named Michael > Garrison? I have some vinyl by him (which I still think is excellent): 'In > the Regions of Sunreturn' 1979, 'Prisms' 1981, 'Eclipse' 1982 and 'Point of > Impact' 1983. I lost track of him after that...does anyone know anything > else about him (including current releases/plans)? If you get the chance, > try the first one (Sunreturn), it is, IMO, excellent! > > Al Hi Al and list ! Michael Garrison (from oregon, USA) had a sold out tour in germany last year ! (He released two great Live CD´s recorded during the tour - it contains old and new (unreleased) stuff - I own both). Cue records (of the netherlands) releases his CD´s in europe. The 'Sunreturn' was rereleased as 'The regions of sunreturn and beyond' with a couple of bonus tracks. Garrison is well known in germany. He sold about 100.000 copies of 'Sunreturn' in germany. IMO try the 2 live CD´s (1996) ! Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 12:04 am Subject: Re: Michael Garrison Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Alan Justrabo > > ... does anyone remember an artist (American, I believe) named Michael > Garrison? I have some vinyl by him (which I still think is excellent): > 'In the Regions of Sunreturn' 1979, 'Prisms' 1981, 'Eclipse' 1982 and > 'Point of Impact' 1983. I lost track of him after that...does anyone > know anything else about him (including current releases/plans)? ... Found part of the info for Michael Garrison. I guess he's in Bend Oregon. Windspell Music, 1293 NW Wall Street, Suite 1515, Bend, OR 97701 I think he has a toll-free number. Try 1-800-555-1212 (800 directory assist). -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 2:09 am Subject: Re: did Schmoelling change it all?? Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:39 PM 4/26/97 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > >> Really-From: feldon@n... >> >> Tangram uses very simple instruments (no thick bass or ambient strings), >but >> regardless, Tangram is very good *musically*. The only track on White >Eagle >> that I listen to is 'White Eagle', the last track. > >???? Simple instruments ??? I wouldn't call 3 Moog Modulars, a PPG Modular, >a few Prophet 5, Oberheim 4/8 voice, Minimoog etc. simple instruments! I must have gotten a bad copy because I don't hear any bass or midrange. Only treble. All my other TD tracks have a completely dynamic sound. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 4:09 am Subject: Re: did Schmoelling change it all?? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: feldon@n... > > >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > >> Really-From: feldon@n... > >> > >> Tangram uses very simple instruments (no thick bass or ambient > >> strings), but regardless, Tangram is very good *musically*. ... > > > > ???? Simple instruments ??? I wouldn't call 3 Moog Modulars, a PPG > > Modular, a few Prophet 5, Oberheim 4/8 voice, Minimoog etc. simple > > instruments! > > I must have gotten a bad copy because I don't hear any bass or > midrange. Only treble. All my other TD tracks have a completely > dynamic sound. Marcel's exaggerating a little. Here's an equipment list from around the time of 'Tangram' Edgar: PPG 1 Computer, PPG Wave 2.2 Synth, ARP Pro-DGX Synth, Korg Polyphonic Ensemble, Custom Sequencer (built by Helmut Grothe), Ibanez UE-400 Multi-Effects, MXR Digital Delay, Boss Volume Pedal, Conn Strobo Tuner, Soundcraft Series 1s 20 into 4 mixer, PPG 5 octave Keyboard controller, Gibson guitar Chris: Minimoog, Elka Rhapsody, Prophet 5, Arp Oddessy, Roland SPV/355, Moog Osc/RM/VCF?VCA, Projekt Electronic VcEnv x2, Moog 12 stage phaser, PPG VCF High/Low Band x2, Projekt Electronic Sequencer, Moog 960 Sequencer with Programmer, Random Trigger and Reset System, Moog 3 band Parametric, Moog 16 Channel Vocoder, Boss KM-60 mixer, Klark Technik DN27 Graphic EQ, Rhythm Robot Sequencer, Roland SRE-555 Chrous Echo, Klark Technik DN36 Time Processor Johannes: Oberheim OB-X, MXR Digital Delay, Korg Tuner, MiniMoog, Boss KM-60 6 into 2 mixer, Custom sequencer (like Edgar's) Regarding 'Tangram' perhaps now's the time to buy the SBM, Definitive Edition, eh? -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 4:36 am Subject: Re: did Schmoelling change it all?? Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) You wrote: > >Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > > >Hi all, > >Some questions from a newbie to the pro Dreamers... >I did just buy White Eagle today and I think it's a good album, though >it don't stike me as Stratosfear and Rubycon did. Stratosfear and >Rubycon contains a lot more emotions and atmosphere, from my point of >view. I did notice that the line-up has changed in White Eagle, so was >it Schmoelling that changed TD?? Was a new style introdused with >Schmoelling?? > >The fave album to many Dreamers is Tangram, so is Tangram more like the >'synthetic' White Eagle or more like the 'organic' Stratosfear?? > >The Dream must go on.... >Alexander > It's seems to me that things changed when Schmoelling came aboard. But the times were changing as well. It became the 80's and music technology and keyboards were becoming different. I like Tangerine Dream in all there phases, even the current one. But it has become less important (Tangerine Dream) over time. Don't get me wrong they are still important to me. My taste in music has broaden significantly though. To me Tangram was Tangerine Dream Light, less of the moody sound of years past, I don't know how to put it in words. The songs with Schmoelling were more tuneful, airy, Synth stringed (not sure how to word it). The Baumann era had a darker sound to it, Mellotron laced movements, that seemed a little more organic to me. The Mellotron is a very much missed instrument for me, there are sounds that come close to it in the modern day instruments, but it's just not the same, I don't know why it's like this to me, but it just is. Anyway I like both era's, all era's actually, but the Baumann era is my favorite obviously, just discovered them, and was new to me. Martyn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 5:44 am Subject: Re: Michael Garrison Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) Michael Garrison also runs Windspell music (Bend, Oregon) which I highly recommend for ordering electronic music (usually two days to deliver!). He doesn't have a couple dozen cds, only twelve, which included two live and two complilations - so only eight studio albums in total. MG has always had a problem with the occasional cheesy song, but I've found all cds worth owning - he has recorded some *outstanding* music! I disagree with the below comment - he is not familiar with MG's music. Though he has not made a new studio album since 1991, the quality of his music since 1987 FAR surpasses TD's quality during that same period (and I'm a big TD fan too). If you can overlook a cheesy song here and there, it's far better than TD's 'lights-out jazz' / 'electronic pop' music that they've put out over the last decade. Windspell carries all his music. 1-800-597-WIND. Larry > >Michael is from the Pacific Northwest -- Portland Oregon I believe. >He >has his own label, CD mail-order shop, and web page. Sorry, I don't >know his URL as I gave up on him 10 years ago (he contracted >'new-age-itis'). I had 'In the Regions of Sunreturn', 'Prisms', >'Eclipse', et cetera but got very tired of him. He has done many >projects since and has a couple of dozen CDs I think. If you do a web >search on '+Michael +Garrison' you should find him pretty easily. >Good >luck -- Mark > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 6:49 am Subject: Re: Michael Garrison Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) > > ... I disagree with the below comment - he is not familiar with MG's > music. ... Sorry if I seem contrarian Larry, but what part do you disagree with? The only opinion I offered was that I 'got very tired of him.' This was purely a personal statement and was not intended as a judgement of his work. I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression. Regarding familiarity, I had all his albums through the late 70s and early/mid 80s -- about 5 or 6 if I recall rightly. I enjoyed them for a while and I'm sure others will also, but I got tired of what I felt was a 'sameness' to all of them and felt that MG wasn't really doing any further exploration/development. > ... If you can overlook a cheesy song here and there, it's > far better than TD's 'lights-out jazz' / 'electronic pop' music that > they've put out over the last decade. I don't think Garrison did any cheesy tunes, just too much of the same thing. I found it hard to distinguish one album from another and got tired of the sound. I like variety and Michael just didn't deliver for me. Regarding jazz or electropop, I repectfully don't think you listen to these genres. TD is miles from them, IMHO. BTW, do you have Windspell Music's URL? I tried http://www.windspell.com and got nowhere, but I do believe it has a web page. > >Michael is from the Pacific Northwest -- Portland Oregon I believe. > >He has his own label, CD mail-order shop, and web page. Sorry, I > >don't know his URL as I gave up on him 10 years ago (he contracted > >'new-age-itis'). I had 'In the Regions of Sunreturn', 'Prisms', > >'Eclipse', et cetera but got very tired of him. He has done many > >projects since and has a couple of dozen CDs I think. If you do a web > >search on '+Michael +Garrison' you should find him pretty easily. > >Good luck -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 7:52 am Subject: Yellowstone Park Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Why am I addicted to listening to 'Yellowstone Park' on Le Parc?? Isn't it a gorgeous song.. and the voices are done right in this as well.. The best on the album IMO. Greg... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3168 Re: Yellowstone Park dbrewer@a... Mon 4/28/1997 2 KB 3227 Re: Yellowstone Park PNaunton@a... Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 2:06 pm Subject: melatron question Really-From: slawlor Hi there. I've heard of the melatron and have heard that it was an instrument that used tape loops I think? Can this instrument still be found, and what kinds of sounds did it produce exactly? was it a sort of synthesizer or what? thanks for the information. scott K. Lawlor http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3139 Re: melatron question GrafZeigen@a... Sun 4/27/1997 3 KB 3157 Re: melatron question Grant Middleton Mon 4/28/1997 3 KB 3180 Re: melatron question Plumer, Scott Tue 4/29/1997 2 KB 3362 Re: melatron question Michael Richard Fri 5/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 3:32 pm Subject: Re: melatron question Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... The mellotron was an aerly analog forerunner of the synth. It uses tape loops of pre-recorded sounds in conjunction with processors. It was a very finicky instrument and very difficult to keep in tune. As for the sound, it is difficult to describe but is quite beautiful when played correctly. The Beatles experimented with it some, but the definitive player was Micheal Pinder of the Moody Blues - hence, their trademark sound in the early days can be mostly attributed to the mellotron. Also, the early King Crimson used it heavily. In fact, Robert Fripp still uses one today with his guitar. They are very rare and hard to find today. Anyway, most musicians find it easier and more efficient to use a Fairlight or similar digital devices that immitate the mellotron pretty closely. Nothing quite matches the warmth and ambiance of the original thing, though! The use of the mellotron was one of the things that first attracted me to TD back in the early 70's. I loved 'em! Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 7:05 pm Subject: Re: did Schmoelling change it all?? Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-04-26 18:54:18 EDT, you write: << I think Edgar jumpped at the chance to get Johannes in the band. He's an excellent pianist and fit in nicely with the new equipment TD was getting. As a result, the band was able to do more individual instrument features and this naturally led to an evolution in their style. >> I agree that Johannes changed the band tremendously. I like all periods of TD transformations each in their own way - but especially Baumann and more recently Zlatko (I'm glad he is back in the line-up). However, apparently EF himself feels differently. I found this interesting bit on the TD Homepage Questions and Answers section that might interest everyone: [16. I would like to ask Edgar which bandmembers through all the years - with the exception of his son Jerome - he had musically the most respect for and which one he would not like to meet again even for a drink? There are two names Edgar immediately came up with: When it comes down to real musical skills in performing and composing, Johannes Schmoelling and Paul Haslinger were the most talented people in the long list of names in the history of TD. Johannes was emotionally very gifted and he was the most serious worker Edgar met in years, while Paul was a very humorous man (with a few exceptions) and he brought some fresh air into the band, specifically after Christopher's departure. Paul also went through some hard-core education in music theory at the Vienna Conservatoir which had a very positive effect on lots of musical term-related conversations. Edgar was very surprised that Paul did not release some of his piano compositions as a solo project after moving to LA - he still thinks that Paul is the best man on a grand!! Edgar still has frequent meetings with both of them when in Berlin or LA. Who Edgar will not spend the time for a drink with? Many others he worked with!] I also noticed this: [TDI Music is planning to release 'Zoo Of Tranquility' by Johannes Schmoelling. The album has been re-mastered and it will contain several bonus tracks!!!] Do you know if this is out yet? I want it!!! Graf Zeigen P.S. Thanks for the warm greeting to the list the other day! Much appreciated!! Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 7:33 pm Subject: OFF: Michael Garrison Really-From: Craig Shipley Hey, I can contribute to this! Michael Garrison IS Windspell Music. Call 1-800-597-WIND and you will get THE Michael Garrison on the phone. He runs one of the best e-music sources in the US. He stocks the cream of the crop of Euro electronic music, along with a number of US musicians. His turnaround time is excellent, when I place an order with him, I usually have it in three days. He carries just about all of the material in the CUE catalog or can get it and his prices are cheaper than anyone else out there. For those of you that are looking for some of the CD's that our fellow tadreamers have cut (I.E. T-Bass, Ash Prema, anyone from RMI on here?), he has 'em. No he does not have a WWW page, but from my last conversation with him, he is going to try it again, as his first attempt to conduct business over the 'Net was a less than successful attempt. I also highly recommend his two-CD live set that is a bit of a 'best-of' MG. I tend to think of Mike as more of an American JMJ (that 'Oxygene'-era electronic percussion is what makes it feel that way). Note that I am not involved with Mike in any sort of business deal; I am just a very satisfied client and more that just a little happy to be dealing with the artist himself. Give him a call... 1-800-597-WIND Craig Shipley craigs@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3142 Re: OFF: Michael Garrison Mark Filipak Sun 4/27/1997 2 KB 3144 Re: OFF: Michael Garrison Larry E Smith Sun 4/27/1997 2 KB 6589 OFF: Michael Garrison Craig Shipley Thu 8/14/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 8:23 pm Subject: Re: OFF: Michael Garrison Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi All. Well it sounds like I should revisit Mr. Garrison's work. If anyone would like to make a tape of his most recent for me in trade, contact me directly. Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 8:42 pm Subject: Re: Michael Garrison Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) Sorry Mark if I seemed defensive about Michael Garrison - I didn't mean to be. I've been a big fan of his since '81. Also, dealing with him through Windspell, he is an *extremely* nice guy. I can understand someone feeling as you do about his music and I'm sure many do. It's just a simple difference of opinion. I've received a lot of enjoyment from listening to his music over the years. I guess maybe I was a little too tired when I wrote that. Larry >Sorry if I seem contrarian Larry, but what part do you disagree with? >The only opinion I offered was that I 'got very tired of him.' This >was >purely a personal statement and was not intended as a judgement of his >work. I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression. Regarding >familiarity, >I had all his albums through the late 70s and early/mid 80s -- about 5 >or 6 if I recall rightly. I enjoyed them for a while and I'm sure >others will also, but I got tired of what I felt was a 'sameness' to >all >of them and felt that MG wasn't really doing any further >exploration/development. > >> ... If you can overlook a cheesy song here and there, it's >> far better than TD's 'lights-out jazz' / 'electronic pop' music >that >> they've put out over the last decade. > >I don't think Garrison did any cheesy tunes, just too much of the same >thing. I found it hard to distinguish one album from another and got >tired of the sound. I like variety and Michael just didn't deliver >for >me. Regarding jazz or electropop, I repectfully don't think you >listen >to these genres. TD is miles from them, IMHO. > >BTW, do you have Windspell Music's URL? I tried >http://www.windspell.com and got nowhere, but I do believe it has a >web >page. > >> >Michael is from the Pacific Northwest -- Portland Oregon I believe. >> >He has his own label, CD mail-order shop, and web page. Sorry, I >> >don't know his URL as I gave up on him 10 years ago (he contracted >> >'new-age-itis'). I had 'In the Regions of Sunreturn', 'Prisms', >> >'Eclipse', et cetera but got very tired of him. He has done many >> >projects since and has a couple of dozen CDs I think. If you do a >web >> >search on '+Michael +Garrison' you should find him pretty easily. >> >Good luck -- Mark > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 9:27 pm Subject: Re: OFF: Michael Garrison Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) Hi Mark, I would be happy to do that, however, it might take a week or two. I was making a tape for another list member last night and my tape deck died on me so I need to take it in for repair. Let me know if you're interested and don't mind a couple weeks wait. Larry On Sun, 27 Apr 1997 13:23:14 -0700 tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) writes: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >Hi All. Well it sounds like I should revisit Mr. Garrison's work. If >anyone would like to make a tape of his most recent for me in trade, >contact me directly. Thanks -- Mark > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 11:09 pm Subject: Mopi? Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi gang. Is track 8 of the 'Oasis' CD really titled 'Mopi Mesa Heart' or is it 'Hopi Mesa Heart?' Thanks for your help. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3154 Re: Mopi? Jens Peschke Mon 4/28/1997 2 KB 3160 Re: Mopi? Mark Filipak Mon 4/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 10:59 pm Subject: or did Baumann change it all?? - Megapost Really-From: Mark Filipak Subject was 'Did Schmoelling change it all??' > Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... > > I like all periods of TD transformations each in their own way - but > especially Baumann and more recently Zlatko (I'm glad he is back in > the line-up). However, apparently EF himself feels differently. I > found this interesting bit on the TD Homepage Questions and Answers > section ... > > [16. I would like to ask Edgar which bandmembers through all the > years - with the exception of his son Jerome - he had musically the > most respect for and which one he would not like to meet again even > for a drink? > > There are two names Edgar immediately came up with: When it comes > down to real musical skills in performing and composing, Johannes > Schmoelling and Paul Haslinger ... Who Edgar will not spend the > time for a drink with? Many others he worked with!] ((I can easily see 4 or more treads coming from this post -- hopefully, none will be flaming.)) Well it's somewhat dangerous to read too much into Edger's comment. I'm surprised he even answered the down side of the question. I've heard him interviewed a couple of times and he answers questions rather selectively, conveniently forgetting to answer those parts he doesn't want to answer. Would 'many others he worked with' include PB and ZP? I doubt it would include ZP as he probably wouldn't be in the current band if that were so. That ZP *is* in the current band may be due to his availability rather than Marc A's non-availability or unacceptability (sorry, I've forgotten Marc's last name and it's not on the TD page anymore -- anybody still have it?). For all we know, ZP may have been pulled away from the band a few years back by contractual obligations and only now is able to return. (Possible tread #1) PB is another story. I've read that Edgar personally liked Peter but I think a couple of things may have intruded: Peter's possible flakiness and Private Music. This is all my opinion and is based on a lot of surmises about things no-one is talking about. But the chronological facts speak for themselves. You decide. Flakiness - Peter dropped out of the band just before the Australian tour of March, 75 and put them in a real bind. Michael Hoenig filled in for Peter at the last minute with predictable results for the tour. Questions for the more knowledgable. Peter was obviously there for the 'Rubycon' sessions in Jan, 75 and the 'Sorcerer' sessions in Apr, 75. The only 1975, Oz tour dates I have are Melbourne on March 13th and Adelaide on March 25th -- anyone with a complete list of venues, please share with me. The point is, the entire month of March, 1975 was taken up with touring or preparing to tour. 1- Did Peter make it to the Royal Albert Hall show in London on April 2nd? 2- Did Peter go to Katmandu for the month of February and get snowed in causing him to miss the Oz tour? 3- Or did Peter extend his stay in Nepal for the sake of his studies causing him to miss the Oz tour? 4- Why whould anyone go to Katmandu in the winter? Assuming there was good will all around -- obviously Edgar took Peter back into the band so there was either good will or strong contracts (see digression, following) -- point 4 is the critical one. They'd just finished a major release. They had a soundtrack to start in 2 months, plus a tour and a single date in between. Did Peter really have time to get his hat refitted? Wasn't that a little irresponsible? What did EF think? How did the contracts read? (Possible tread #2) Digression: The subject of contracts is important. Did Virgin have all three under separate contracts, or just Edgar and whatever he called the 'Tangerine Dream' band under an omnibus contract, or all three members collectively as 'Tangerine Dream' under a single, umbrella contract? Each of these three possible arrangements have serious implications for Edgar's freedom to control events, his power to negotiate, and his ability to deliver on the terms of the contract. Remember that through all this, Edgar acted as manager in addition to being leader of the band. (Possible tread #3) Private Music - We all know what PM was supposed to be and we all know what PM became. This must have been a heartbreaking time for all involved. Thanks to Matt Hargreaves we also know that PB sold a controlling interest in Private to BMG, their distributor, in 1991 and (later that year?) sold the rest, retired, and moved to Mexico. Where did this leave Edgar and the band? Under contract to be sure! What did Edgar do to get out of the contract or did he merely wait for it to expire (was it year-to-year?). The question for all current readers is this: how would you feel if a friend and long time business associate left you in the lurch? (Possible thread #4) Disclaimer: I'm not in the music industry and have never been in a band. But I have owned several businesses and have written _many_ contracts. If you want to feel like a piece of meat, try negotiating a contract for your services. Even more so, try writing a contract for the delivery of services where other contributors are involved. You almost have to treat the other people like objects -- that's just the logic of legal encumbrances -- I use this term under the assumption that these contracts were exclusive contracts, thus the encumbrance is that the members of the band not perform outside the contract for the period of the contract, that is, that the contractees not provide similar services to third parties. Personally, I think Edgar acted like a prince where Peter Baumann is concerned. That he may harbor some resentment now is, in my opinion, quite understandable. That he doesn't publicly slam him is a tribute to Edgar's fine character. I wish to meet Edgar some day and shake his hand. I hope the full story will come out some day. Edgar Froese and Tangerine Dream have both been through so much. Peter leaving and Johannes coming on board must have been earth shaking events. In the long run, I think Peter had a greater impact on the band due to the early, formative time he was part of it, and due to the developments that came when the band joined and later left Private Music -- in short, the dreams made and the dreams corrupted and debased. From a musical standpoint, Peter and Johannes were probably equal. But it's hard to separate the music from the business. Through it all, there was Edgar. He's the real hero of the story. I say this without any desire to denegrate either Peter or Johannes. Both are fine people, with much talent and success -- I wish I was half as successful! Send your flames my way, I'm ready. Cheers -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3162 Re: or did Baumann change it all?? - Megapost Dennis Nigbur Mon 4/28/1997 5 KB 3163 Re: or did Baumann change it all?? - Megapost Mark Filipak Mon 4/28/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 11:24 pm Subject: Re: Michael Garrison Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) > > Sorry Mark if I seemed defensive about Michael Garrison - I didn't mean > to be. I've been a big fan of his since '81. Also, dealing with him > through Windspell, he is an *extremely* nice guy. I can understand > someone feeling as you do about his music and I'm sure many do. It's > just a simple difference of opinion. I've received a lot of enjoyment > from listening to his music over the years. I guess maybe I was a > little too tired when I wrote that. > > Larry Think nothing of it Larry. You're a gentleman. As many know well, I don't have the greatest reputation on the list for objectivity, so I don't blame you for your reaction. Regards to all. -- Mark (ex-preacher turned repentant sinner) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 12:32 am Subject: Re: TD Ice Cream Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-25 18:05:02 EDT, you write: << (What is the sound of a light ice cream going down your gullet? :-) ) Dave Brewer >> I think it's 'Schloop' but that may be just the lighter of the 'lites'. The Chocolate Fudge Lite has been known to go 'Schlopp' especially after a large portion of Lite Spagetti and Meatballs. ;-) Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 12:32 am Subject: Re: Re[2]: ideas? (BTH bag) Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-25 15:34:34 EDT, you write: << thanks...now if we could only 'inspire' td to open the trove... tom w np: steel pulse - sound system >> We will probably have to wait until JF takes over and EF is put out to pasture. This shouldn't be too long, Edgar must be in his middle fifties by now. HEY, maybe, and I just thought of this, Edgar is going to use the 30th Anniversary to give us all a gift of a vault collection, because we have all been such good listeners for all these years. Can't you just picture it? A five CD set, one CD of outtakes from each seven year period, and one last one with one big jam with guest artists from each of the various periods: Chris Franke, Peter Baumann, Johannes Schmoelling, Klaus Schulze, Linda Spa, . . . . .___ everybody___. One big reunion disc!!!!! Slap, slap, slap! Wake up Phil, your talking in your sleep again!! Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 2:10 am Subject: Peter Baumann and... Yanni??? Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Hello All.. I tend to get into various other groups at times, and at times, I try some of the other New Age-y type stuff. In a recent Yanni album I purchased, I was surprised to find 5 of the 15 songs on the new album (complilation) 'In the Mirror' were produced by Peter Baumann.. yes, I do know his involvement in Private Music, yet these 5 songs seem to be the only ones with a 'beat.' There is one song--'Forbidden Dreams' that has Peter as Exec. Producer and boy do this song have T-Dream influences.. we're talking sequencers (chime type) electric drums that seem atmospheric.. seemingly analog sounds (the song is quite intense) although it has Yanni's synth harmonica in it.. you forget about it in the midst of the other sounds. Is this a real T-Dream influence? And why would Baumann move in this direction? Since this album is a complilation, the song is quite old--I think. 'Chasing Shadows' also is seemingly Baumann influenced with sequencers and quite drum heavy. Am I drawing at this air?? Greg.. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3151 Re: Peter Baumann and... Yanni??? Rakinik Intertype Mon 4/28/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 12:18 am Subject: Re: Peter Baumann and... Yanni??? Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > Hello All.. > > I tend to get into various other groups at times, and at times, I try some > of the other New Age-y type stuff. In a recent Yanni album I purchased, I > was surprised to find 5 of the 15 songs on the new album (complilation) 'In > the Mirror' were produced by Peter Baumann.. yes, I do know his involvement > in Private Music, yet these 5 songs seem to be the only ones with a 'beat.' > There is one song--'Forbidden Dreams' that has Peter as Exec. Producer and > boy do this song have T-Dream influences.. we're talking sequencers (chime > type) electric drums that seem atmospheric.. seemingly analog sounds (the > song is quite intense) although it has Yanni's synth harmonica in it.. you > forget about it in the midst of the other sounds. > Is this a real T-Dream influence? And why would Baumann move in this > direction? Since this album is a complilation, the song is quite old--I > think. 'Chasing Shadows' also is seemingly Baumann influenced with > sequencers and quite drum heavy. > > Am I drawing at this air?? > > Greg.. That's easy. Yanni makes $$$...big $$$. TD doesn't come close in comparison. I don't blame Peter for 'selling out' because if you examine the electronic music industry today there is almost no money in it. Surreal To Real went under recently as well as several other E-music publishers. Artists like Andy Pickford are moving more toward producing their own material...which unfortunately doesn't make much cash. Even John Tesh's paychecks are bigger than Edgars....despite the numerous bags on his music. Pop sells, as does well done new age. Who can complain? I'd rather listen to Yanni's Out Of Silence than Goblin's Club. While Yanni's current music is nothing more than a tenth remix of his sappy romance tunes...his early stuff kicks some serious butt. regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 4:25 am Subject: Peter Baumann Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) Excuse me for asking a question I'm sure has already been answered (I wasn't paying attention again)...Are Peter Baumann's 'Romance 76' and 'Trans Harmonic Nights' out of print? If so, are there plans to re-release them? All this talk about PB has made me want to buy the discs (I have them on vinyl, but the turntable is out of order). Thanks for your help, Larry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3153 Re: Peter Baumann Capel Martyn Mon 4/28/1997 2 KB 3155 Re: Peter Baumann Jens Peschke Mon 4/28/1997 2 KB 19860 Peter Baumann Pergamon Fri 12/17/1999 1 KB 19865 Re: Peter Baumann ;-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dust Fri 12/17/1999 2 KB 19866 Re: Peter Baumann Sean Montgomery Fri 12/17/1999 2 KB 19868 Re: Peter Baumann Sean Montgomery Fri 12/17/1999 1 KB 20518 Peter Baumann Simon Slator Tue 1/25/2000 1 KB 20519 Re: Peter Baumann Patrik . Tue 1/25/2000 1 KB 20545 Peter Baumann Simon Slator Wed 1/26/2000 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 4:55 am Subject: Re: Peter Baumann Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) You wrote: > >Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) > > >Excuse me for asking a question I'm sure has already been answered (I >wasn't paying attention again)...Are Peter Baumann's 'Romance 76' and >'Trans Harmonic Nights' out of print? If so, are there plans to >re-release them? All this talk about PB has made me want to buy the discs >(I have them on vinyl, but the turntable is out of order). > >Thanks for your help, >Larry > All his catalog is out of print now. The only thing that is available now is a album of highlights called Phase by Phase I believe is the title. At one time the two you mention plus Repeat Repeat were available as well. Strangers in the Night never has been released on CD was on another label, that's why, I believe. Martyn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 5:10 am Subject: Re: Mopi? Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' It´s 'Hopi Mesa heart'. > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Hi gang. Is track 8 of the 'Oasis' CD really titled 'Mopi Mesa Heart' > or is it 'Hopi Mesa Heart?' Thanks for your help. -- Mark > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 5:24 am Subject: Re: Peter Baumann Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) > > > Excuse me for asking a question I'm sure has already been answered (I > wasn't paying attention again)...Are Peter Baumann's 'Romance 76' and > 'Trans Harmonic Nights' out of print? If so, are there plans to > re-release them? All this talk about PB has made me want to buy the discs > (I have them on vinyl, but the turntable is out of order). > > Thanks for your help, > Larry The sampler 'phase by phase' (nice price virgin CD) contains 5 of the 6 tracks of 'Romance 76' and 4 of 'Trans Harmonic Nights'. I found it in the virgin store in london for 6.95 pounds. Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 8:54 am Subject: Re: did Schmoelling change it all?? Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > Really-From: feldon@n... > > > > Tangram uses very simple instruments (no thick bass or ambient strings), > but > > regardless, Tangram is very good *musically*. The only track on White > Eagle > > that I listen to is 'White Eagle', the last track. > > ???? Simple instruments ??? I wouldn't call 3 Moog Modulars, a PPG Modular, > a few Prophet 5, Oberheim 4/8 voice, Minimoog etc. simple instruments! > > Just a thought > > Marcel OK, they're most definitely not simple instruments, but the overall sound of Tangram to me is much less dense than say Force Majeure. JS left a lot to be desired in the programming dept., I'd say. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 8:49 am Subject: Re: melatron question Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: slawlor > > Hi there. I've heard of the melatron and have heard that it was an > instrument that used tape loops I think? Can this instrument still be > found, and what kinds of sounds did it produce exactly? was it a sort of > synthesizer or what? thanks for the information. > > scott K. Lawlor > http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor To find out more than you ever wanted to know about the Mellotron, check out http://www.users.cts.com/crash/r/rgs/mtron.html Why did they ever give it up in the studio ??? It's God in a box ! I know it was a royal pain in the ass to tour with, but that's no excuse for not getting it down on tape. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 9:20 am Subject: Re: Pro Music by Amateurs Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: ashok prema > > Grant writes;....... > > ''I think you'll find that most of the music the fans have produced is > a lot better than much of TD's output, for the simple reason that TD > made a lot of mistakes publically, and the fans don't go down those > paths. Instead, they concentrate on the good bits and don't recreate > the crap bits (I'm sure even Edgar would love to forget many of his > 'weaker' moments). Also, fans can take months to produce a single > track, whereas Edgar and co have an incredibly full schedule to run. > > As for production quality, the equipment available now to semi-pro > and even amateur musicians is far superior to what was available in > the '70s. Even a moderately powered PC can transform recorded music > incredibly (noise removal, equalisation, compression, etc).'' > > I'm afraid I dispute the first paragraph - indeed there is much good music > out there being made by amateurs - but it is rare to find an amateur > who not only produces consistent quality in the composition - but also has > the ability to record to a professional standard - which is not easy > despite the technological advances made over the last 20 years. Well, I'm afraid I disagree completely. It's very easy to make professional sounding recordings on moderately-priced equipment. Nobody's going to create 'Dark Side of the Moon' on a Tascam Portastudio, but I've been able to coax excellent results out of my cassette four-track (Fostex X-26) because I can direct-inject keyboards, etc. and don't have to worry about using top-notch microphones, with all their inherent problems (placement, etc). Some of the cheap multi-effects units available are _way_ superior to the multi-thousand-dollar plate and spring reverbs which were available in the '70s. And now, even the ultimate in professional gear is just starting to become realistic to amateurs (I'm thinking specifically of the Lexicon PCM90 reverb). > I speak as > a musician with some such equipment - which indeed may be technologically > superior to, say, the equipment used to produce 'Tangram' - (which believe > it or not - was recorded on a mere 8-track tape machine.!!) - but I > cannot get the production quality of 'Tangram' - mainly because I do not > possess the engineering skills required to record an album up to a top > notch standard. And here I am totally disregarding the musical content! Well, I wouldn't trust my engineering to anyone other than myself. > You must remember that most amateur musicians may buy top quality synths > and mixing desks - and even digital recording equipment - but few can > afford the top notch reverbs and delay necessary to produce a pro - album > ( - a single reverb unit can cost around £1000 - so its not suprising that > we don't rush out to spend this sort of money on something which doesn't > actually produce its own sounds!!) Well, I didn't _rush_ out to buy my gear, but I guess a good quality reverb was one of the primary devices I wanted, so I budgetted for it. Even the cheapest digital delay (less than 200 dollars) can produce perfect delays - a good delay is far easier to produce than a good reverb. > Most people fail to undrstand the > difference a good engineer can make - but you need only talk to top > musicians - and you'll find that they rarely engineer themselves - they > leave that to the experts. Well, I say again that I wouldn't, but it's purely a personal choice. > It's back to the old age adage - it's not the > equipment thats so important - it's how you use it that counts! Always the case in music ! Completely agreed ! However, haven't you just contradicted yourself ? > As to the comment about time constraints - the expertise TD has gained > over the years stand them in good stead- and they can still produce music > in a day that amateurs can't match in years of composing a single track - > some people have it - others don't - and never aquire it how ever long they > take!! - TD's early days of improvising prove they have an inherent talent. They also produced a lot of total pish purely because of time constraints. The quote from Chris Franke seems to back up this point. I've yet to hear this 'music they produced in a single day' which couldn't be matched by an amateur with lots of time - any specific examples ? > Finally, I really don't think even contentwise, many amateurs can compose > music to even to 'poor TD' quality - its all well for the musician himself > to think his music is better than latter day TD - even I feel that way about > some of my tracks - but independant listeners will probably think > otherwise. Well, I've had many good reports of my stuff, even from die-hard TD and Klaus Schulze fans. It has been placed in various categories from 'sub-TD' to 'the best thing I've heard all year'. Agreed, there are _many_ amateurs who just can't hack it and never will, but there are also many, many who are creating stuff which I would much rather listen to than anything by TD over the past fifteen (count 'em) years. > Playing the devils advocate yet again!! ..........Ash So does that mean that you are disagreeing purely for the sake of presenting a counter-argument or that you actually believe what you wrote ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 7:36 am Subject: Re: CD Case Label Programs Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Jim Moore > > > I'm looking for a Win95 program that allows easy creation of > jewel case liners. Does anyone have any suggestions? > YES ! Best one is from Adaptec. Use EasyCD/95. This this prog. you can create CDRs and the jewel case envelopes. Rainer Rutka From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 10:13 am Subject: Re: Mopi? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > It´s 'Hopi Mesa heart'. Thanks Jens. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 4:12 pm Subject: Emil Hachfeld Really-From: Dennis Nigbur I don't think that a smile on Edgar's part is reason enough to assume that Emil Hachfeld is the long-awaited third member of TD. Emil is a nice chap and a fabulous drummer - but as he told me, he does not even know himself if he'll still be a part of TD when they record their next album. Personally, I think it would be nice if they kept him - but being confined to the drums - as Linda was confined to the sax (except on GC), and Zlatko is confined to the guitar) - it's nearly impossible for him to become a Third Member in the Baumann or Schmoelling tradition. His contribution might be more like Klaus Krieger's on Cyclone and Force Majeure, which are great albums, but they don't imply any contribution on Krieger's part in terms of composition. The way in which Edgar and Chris composed FM was certainly influenced by the presence of such a great drummer as Klaus is, and if Emil stays with TD, his presence will certainly have an impact on Edgar and Jerome's compositions - but exactly as in Klaus's case, his influence will remain an indirect one. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3164 Re: Emil Hachfeld Mark Filipak Mon 4/28/1997 3 KB 3181 Re: Emil Hachfeld Plumer, Scott Tue 4/29/1997 2 KB 35549 Emil Hachfeld Dennis Nigbur Thu 8/15/2002 3 KB 35555 Re: Emil Hachfeld Armin Theissen Thu 8/15/2002 4 KB 35557 Re: Emil Hachfeld Peter Ravn Thu 8/15/2002 5 KB 35564 Re: Emil Hachfeld Mark Filipak Thu 8/15/2002 3 KB 35585 Re: Emil Hachfeld Dennis Nigbur Fri 8/16/2002 3 KB 35589 Re: Emil Hachfeld richter_arne Fri 8/16/2002 3 KB 35565 Re: Emil Hachfeld Chris Owen Thu 8/15/2002 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 4:03 pm Subject: Re: or did Baumann change it all?? - Megapost Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Sun, 27 Apr 1997 15:59:11 -0700 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak >Would 'many others he worked with' include PB and ZP? I doubt it would >include ZP as he probably wouldn't be in the current band if that were >so. That ZP *is* in the current band may be due to his availability >rather than Marc A's non-availability or unacceptability (sorry, I've >forgotten Marc's last name and it's not on the TD page anymore -- >anybody still have it?). For all we know, ZP may have been pulled away >from the band a few years back by contractual obligations and only now >is able to return. (Possible tread #1) As far as I know, Mark Hornby initially replaced Zlatko because Zlatko, as you say, had some other business than TD to attend to. If you have seen him on stage with the band now (as I've seen them in Bonn), you can still tell that Zlatko is not really an organic part of the group. He appears more individual, more detached from TD and TD style. His guitar work is undoubtedly very good - but it's illusionary to think that he will ever become a full-scale member of the band, with his say in composition, management, etc. If he were to become such a full-time member (as a lot of people seem to want him to), two major transformations would have to take place first: (a) He would have to play a second instrument to prevent those periods of idleness when there are no guitar parts to play, as seems to be the case with a lot of the new material, (b) He'd have to spend all his time on TD and forget about his other obligations...and judging by his musical ambitions on the guitar sector, I can't really see that happen. I don't know why, for the current tour, Zlatko took Hornby's place once again. It probably turned out that Hornby was not available, and it was considered a good idea to include Zlatko again, as the audience seemed to like him. >Personally, I think Edgar acted like a prince where Peter Baumann is >concerned. That he may harbor some resentment now is, in my opinion, >quite understandable. That he doesn't publicly slam him is a tribute to >Edgar's fine character. I wish to meet Edgar some day and shake his >hand. I hope the full story will come out some day. So do I, and I wish I could trust everything Edgar says. He's a fine bloke, but he is also quite withdrawn and likes to talk his way around things. What he says is Tangerine Dream speaking rather than Edgar himself. And Tangerine Dream can be rather cryptic in its statements. Jerome is more overt about what he says. BTW, what I'd find even more interesting than the Baumann story is the reason for the ongoing Froese/Franke feud...they must have been quite good buddies at some point, considering they played together for 15 years, and occasionally even without a third member to support them (e.g. Green Desert). Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 12:18 pm Subject: Re: or did Baumann change it all?? - Megapost Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >[Regarding Edgar's statement that there are some he would not now > >share a drink with] Would 'many others he worked with' include PB and > >ZP? I doubt it would include ZP as he probably wouldn't be in the > >current band if that were so. That ZP *is* in the current band may be > >due to his availability ... > > As far as I know, Mark Hornby initially replaced Zlatko because Zlatko, > as you say, had some other business than TD to attend to. If you have > seen him on stage with the band now (as I've seen them in Bonn), you > can still tell that Zlatko is not really an organic part of the group. > He appears more individual, more detached from TD and TD style. His > guitar work is undoubtedly very good - but it's illusionary to think > that he will ever become a full-scale member of the band, with his say > in composition, management, etc. If he were to become such a full-time > member (as a lot of people seem to want him to), two major > transformations would have to take place first: (a) He would have to > play a second instrument to prevent those periods of idleness when > there are no guitar parts to play, as seems to be the case with a lot > of the new material, ... There's always guitar synths. Playing guitar hasn't slowed Brian Eno down or limited him. > ... (b) He'd have to spend all his time on TD and forget > about his other obligations...and judging by his musical ambitions on > the guitar sector, I can't really see that happen. ... Well, that may be true. But if TD gets really hot (a distint possibility with the surge of interest in e-music lately -- yes, dispite some opinions, e-music is getting hot), Zlatko might change his mind -- this assumes you're right of course. > >Personally, I think Edgar acted like a prince where Peter Baumann is > >concerned. ... > > So do I, and I wish I could trust everything Edgar says. He's a fine > bloke, but he is also quite withdrawn and likes to talk his way around > things. What he says is Tangerine Dream speaking rather than Edgar > himself. And Tangerine Dream can be rather cryptic in its statements. This may be more a factor of Edgar's upbringing in Germany during and immediately following WWII than anything else. I've noticed that German people of Edgar's age tend to be more.... circumspect. > Jerome is more overt about what he says. BTW, what I'd find even > more interesting than the Baumann story is the reason for the ongoing > Froese/Franke feud... This is the second time this has been said in a day, but I've seen no evidence of any sort of feud between them. Quite to the contrary -- read Elana's interview of CF. > ... they must have been quite good buddies at some > point, considering they played together for 15 years, and occasionally > even without a third member to support them (e.g. Green Desert). Not so. Edgar has stated that in the 17 years of collaboration, they went out socially only once. He sounded rather regretful and wistfull when he said it. There is a good story here. I just wish I was in a position to research it and write it. Cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 12:20 pm Subject: Re: Emil Hachfeld Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > I don't think that a smile on Edgar's part is reason enough to assume > that Emil Hachfeld is the long-awaited third member of TD. Emil is a > nice chap and a fabulous drummer - but as he told me, he does not > even know himself if he'll still be a part of TD when they record their > next album. Personally, I think it would be nice if they kept him - but > being confined to the drums - as Linda was confined to the sax (except > on GC), and Zlatko is confined to the guitar) - it's nearly impossible > for him to become a Third Member in the Baumann or Schmoelling > tradition. His contribution might be more like Klaus Krieger's on > Cyclone and Force Majeure, which are great albums, but they don't > imply any contribution on Krieger's part in terms of composition. The > way in which Edgar and Chris composed FM was certainly influenced > by the presence of such a great drummer as Klaus is, and if Emil stays > with TD, his presence will certainly have an impact on Edgar and > Jerome's compositions - but exactly as in Klaus's case, his influence > will remain an indirect one. We shall see, eh? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 1:37 pm Subject: Re: WEIRD LAWS #5 Really-From: Michael A Jean Surprise, they're baaaack!!! A few more obscure music laws...For you completists, 1-4 are available upon request... Pittsburgh, PENNSYLVANIA: It is illegal to tickle a girl under the chin with a feather duster in order to get her attention while she's sitting next to you at a concert. Charleston, SOUTH CAROLINA: Every women going to a concert must be found to be wearing a corset. A physician is required to inspect each female to ascertain whether she is, in fact, complying. Chicago, ILLINOIS: No person shall hallo, shout, bawl, scream, use profane language, dance, sing, WHOOP, quarrel, or make any unusual noise or sound while attending a concert, in such a manner as to disturb the peace and quiet of others in attendance. MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 3:43 pm Subject: test Really-From: Kim Pedersen this is a test . Korg 01w users group: http://www.sysedata.no/home/kimp E-mail:kimp@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10173 test Gabe Yedid Wed 1/21/1998 2 KB 14165 test de Kruis, Hans SNV-MCF/9 Tue 6/2/1998 3 KB 14170 Re: test Marcel Engels Tue 6/2/1998 3 KB 14789 test Kasijo, Guy SSI-TSEA-R21 Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB 22501 test Nick Adams Tue 5/16/2000 2 KB 25195 test Joel S. Mullen Sun 11/26/2000 2 KB 25217 test Totta Rydqvist Tue 11/28/2000 2 KB 30194 test Nick Adams Tue 11/20/2001 2 KB 32281 test duncan mckee Tue 2/19/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 4:05 pm Subject: Re: sylvian/fripp/brook tour? >> Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-04-25 16:42:32 EDT, you write: << Is there, by chabce, a recording of that show? I would like to hear it. >> not that i am aware of...sorry... tom w np: underworld - pearl's girl From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 5:58 pm Subject: Re: Yellowstone Park Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: 'Greg Heil' > > Why am I addicted to listening to 'Yellowstone Park' on Le Parc?? > Isn't it a gorgeous song.. and the voices are done right in this as well.. > The best on the album IMO. Probably the same reason I'm addicted to it! It's one of their finest, and most beautiful. And it's got some of the best use of vocals in a TD song, MHO of course. It makes a great closing to the album. Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 11:03 pm Subject: Froese/Franke Relationship - LONG POST Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 05:18:09 -0700 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >This is the second time this has been said in a day, but I've seen no evidence of any sort of feud between them. Quite to the contrary -- read Elana's interview of CF. Having collected some material from the TD and Sonic Images web sites (impossible to quote all of it), I have the strong impression that there IS some sort of feud going on. Initially, they seemed to get along exceptionally well (CF: 'Edgar and I understood each other very well from the beginning. He and I were very interested in working together because both of us wanted to get away from written music.'). But that attitude seems to have changed. As Edgar states, he has interrupted all contact with Chris since his departure from TD in 1987. The TD web pages claim that 'Edgar's reasons to make such a move are very understandable if you are familiar with the background story which led him to this decision!' The question is which reasons there actually are, and judging by the more sympathetic tone that Chris adopts, these reasons seem to be perceived by Edgar only. Some sources suggest a fight between the two about competence and their role in the band. In the TD web pages, it is mentioned in an interview with Edgar that 'Christopher Franke claimed that by percentage you were responsible for the group's organisation whilst he concentrated more on the music production side, although a degree of overlapping did naturally exist.' Edgar's reaction to that question is so furious that it appears to me as if this statement allegedly made by Franke were one of the reasons for the strain on their relationship: 'First of all, lots of thanks to Mr Franke for his dignified description of my musical involvement in Tangerine Dreams work - is it a joke? It is true that I am a musician and a businessman and Mr. Franke profited from both my efforts. It's far below my professional attitude to move into more precise description of Mr. Franke' s strange memories. The fact is, that both of these gentlemen - Mr. Baumann and Mr. Franke - were not available at the time this project (Tangents) needed to be finished in Berlin. Baumann was not doing music anymore and Franke was scoring TV series in LA. I had to find my way through hours of material which could be used for this project without waiting for their comments. Please understand that it is waste of time to explain this unpleasant background.' Another reason for Edgar's negative attitude towards Chris could be the sudden withdrawal of the studio facilities that had been set up by Chris. In the same interview, this point is elaborated: Q: 'Presumably you moved to your present studio location when Christopher Franke left the group, taking his impressive Polygon studio facilities with him?' EF: 'That was the second unpleasant experience I had. We did quite a few recordings and soundtracks in there, but one should not forget that I had to raise most of the money to set it up. I did not invest my private money in his place, but I was always looking around for soundtrack work to get things going, as one can imagine that it cost a lot of money. After the decision was made not to continue anymore in August '87 I had to look around again. With help from some real friends I could keep things going, so I went through that period as well and learned my lesson.' Accordingly, Edgar does tend to be rather harsh when talking about Chris; another quote from the TD pages might serve as a good example. 'An artist must be judged by what he 'does' and not by what he says. Mr. Franke is speaking for himself in this case. Within the last 8 years - after his departure from T.D. - he had the opportunity to show what he really wanted to do 'without the pressure of the band'. So judge him by the work he's done on TV scores and other compositions: If that's the cutting edge of music he wanted to move into, then others may judge this - No comment from my side. Tangerine Dream's inner quality of composition always had other goals and perspectives than often described even by some of my former colleagues, I'm personally not a speedway-donkey on the cutting edge of musical opportunism - people who can and will listen to the body of our music, know this.' My impression is that Edgar feels that his pride and self-image had been under attack, and that towards the end of the Eighties, TD ultimately seemed to small a place for two great musicians who were rivalling after 15 years of collaboration. It seems at least strange that after that incident, both of them have been unwilling to co-operate with another equal-status composer. Franke has been doing solo work, and as soon as Paul Haslinger had left TD, Edgar ceased to employ any new musicians other than mere studio hands, or at the very most, members who played a few instruments but did not have their say in terms of composition. Jerome seems to be an exception at first sight, but the fact that he has been brought up in exposition to Edgar's ideas about music and life in general, and the peculiarities of father/son communications do give Jerome a role that is distincively different from the role that any other musician could play in the TD of today. Listening to the post-Haslinger TD works, one could argue that Jerome has only developed a discernible personal style in the mid-Nineties - and undoubtedly, even that is still founded on his father's influence. That's it for now, excuse the long post - I hope it is substantial enough to start a discussion on the list. Cheers, Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 9:22 pm Subject: credit cards & quinoa Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers Monday evening Sorry if this post is late but f'ing compuserve mail hasn't been available for 4 days (at least during my time windows) arrgghhh! I hope they are making improvements because this is totally ridiculous!!! If you have e-mailed me since Friday I will respond/my response is coming as soon as I can up/download... last minute note (monday afternoon): I met with Ash Prema today (he's working on a new CD and you are going to love it--it's sound fantastic! more on that later). Ash tells me that he has dealt with Voiceprint before and that they have been around for years so we shouldn't about ordering from them. Maybe someone else has already posted something about this on the list? This message was written saturday so keep that in mind: (saturday) regarding Quinoa and the questions this offer has brought about: Steve F wrote: > Eep. In my haste, I forgot to ask a few questions about ordering >with a credit card from overseas, in general. First of all, what is the --there's no fee for converting currency with a credit card; in fact, ordering with a credit card is the way to get the best possible exchange rate since you get the bank wholesale rate (or very near it). I would definitely NOT send this place cash, check or money order until **someone well known** on this list has confirmed their authenticity with the receipt of a Quinoa. If this is just a scam to steal credit card numbers, by law you are only responsible for the first $50--watch your statement and account carefully for the next month. If you use American Express, I think you can call and speak with them about the volume of your charges--or they will call you if something seems amiss. > This company said that orders take 'up to 28 days' to fill, so I >am wondering how I can confirm that my order was indeed correctly >received (other than finding out about it via a statement from my >bank) before it's too late and all copies of this elusive (and soon to >be illusive?) CD disappear. Perhaps I should contact them via their >*non*-800 number and find out for sure??? -- Yes definitely call them, I am trying to call them. On Friday 4:30pm london time, they said to call on Monday and talk to Simon Hart; on monday they said call on Tuesday (they told Ash today that Rob would be in on Friday...). I called on Friday and the woman who answered couldn't tell me if Quinoa was still available; she said I would have to talk to this Simon Hart. OK, I'm a little concerned about this 28-day bit myself. Here is what you do: You order with a credit card and if you get a charge on your statement before you get the merchandise, you call/write your credit card company and say that you have ordered something but have not received it and that you have doubts about the seller's authenticity and *you want to dispute the charge pending receipt of the merchandise.* This way the credit card company will not pay the vendor and you will not have to pay until you receive your merchandise. The credit card company will contact the vendor and start an investigation; if the merchandise has been shipped, the credit card company will contact you and say so etc. the whole process can take 90 days so that gives you plenty of time to wait for receipt. If you receive the merchandise in the meantime, you can call the credit card company or just wait to be rebilled. Even if you pay your bill with a bogus charge (and this works also with vis/MC debit cards) you still have 90 days to dispute the charge. Steve, if you have a Baybank/Bank of Boston card, call their service number (it's listed on the card and on your statement) talk to an operator and ask her/him any questions you might have about this. I would suggest in your order that you offer to pay for at least 'recorded' air mail. I know with the Oasis videos that the advertised postage was next to nothing but then when I called and asked, they said they were going 3rd or 4th class ('on a space available basis') so it would be 2-3+ weeks (this is all within the US) so I popped a few extras bucks for 2nd-day delivery and was very happy to get it that way. Since I've been in London, I've waited 3-4 weeks for **airmail** packages from both Europe and the US so you definitely don't want surface (this can be confirmed by someone on the list too). They say it takes a month but they will admit under pressure that it is more likely to take two months. Small packages are generally better than larger ones (which I think go 'space available') so in the case you might be OK but ask to be sure. Here are some doubts I had about this deal; they still remain valid questions to be answered: The copies of Quinoa sold at the Bonn concert both lend legitimacy to this story but also substantial doubt. Certainly copies of Quinoa turned up for sale (meaning extra copies were found--and Jerome just gave away 5 of them on his web page) but how did this company manage to get them and sell them for less than what the Family Froese was selling them for at the concerts? It doesn't make sense to me. Why would Edgar sell off 270-300 copies of Quinoa to this place or any other (and he'd have to sell them for about 5-7 pounds each to make it profitable enough for any company to buy and re-sell for 15) and only try to sell 30+ at the concerts when he could have sold all 300 at the concerts for 17 quid each and kept all the money himself and then offered any remainder (yeah right!) to dealers afterwards!! Why would this place get such a dramatic break in the Quinoa price? Surely Edgar has some idea of its value and rarity. Lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 9:23 pm Subject: stuff found / offered Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers OK this is it; THE LAST CALL for anything from me from these chartered streets of London is May 1. For those of you who haven't yet contacted me I can't take anymore requests for the TD/Orb remix disc because it is now GONE (I have one colored vinyl left--those of you who have already contacted me about the CD/Vinyl will get yours no problem). Additionally, no more requests for Shy People since it is now OUT OF PRINT and no longer available (I think there are one or two copies left in Glasgow and Belfast Apparently some of the Silva Screen TD soundtracks have gone OUT OF PRINT, can anyone else please confirm this? If so, those of you who don't have them should move on them soon. (That would be Shy People, Near Dark, Dead Solid Perfect, Deadly Care, This Park is Mine and the two Movie Music of TD discs, etc...) Also I've recently come across all four of the original TD Ohr label LPs (Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri, Zeit, Atem); they are all excellent to mint condition) so if you want any/all of these contact me. Here is what I have available for sale/trade; let me know soon (remember much of this is not available in the US or is *very* hard to get): Near Dark (Silva, UK edition with painted cover) new vinyl (1 copy) or CD (2 copies) Dead Solid Perfect (Silva) (2 copies) Deadly Care (Silva) (2 copies) This Park is Mine (Silva) (1 copy) Miracle Mile (Private) (1 copy) Turn of the Tides (Zabo/Coast to Coast ) w/ bonus track 'Story of the Brave' Tyranny of Beauty (TDI) w/ bonus track 'Quasar) (1 copy) SBMs of all the Virgin Years' material (includes 'Theif') Remastered editions of all the Blue years' material 70-80 VBox2 vinyl box set w/ booklet VG/VG- (complete!!) (one copy) Used copy of the Dream Roots Collection CD box set (one copy) Most other soundtracks, eg: Legend, Firestarter, Wavelength, Sorcerer, (but not TMI or SP) Force Majeure clear vinyl LP (2 copies) Macula Transfer (Froese Solo) LP original Brain issue (nice!) Ex/Ex+ (one copy) 7' singles of Hobo March/Encore; Das Maedchen auf der Treppe/Katja; Warsaw in the Sun/Polish Dance Rumpelstiltskin A few odds and ends are also available so send me your want lists/requests by May 1. Lars PS did you know The Ones once opened for the Jimi Hendrix Experience? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 9:20 pm Subject: e-mails to lars / F*** compuserve Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I've been trying to access F***ing compuserve e-mail since Friday and keep getting the message 'service temporarily unavailable' so if you've been waiting for a reply / info; it's not me! it's f'ing compuserve in London... For those of you trying to contact me: when this message goes out it will mean that I have finally accessed the service and will be responding to you shortly (I hope!!!) Lars PS compuserve is shit (at least in London); use another provider (This is an exercise of my right of free speech) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3175 Re: e-mails to lars / F*** compuserve Mark Filipak Tue 4/29/1997 2 KB 3182 Re: e-mails to lars / F*** compuserve dbrewer@a... Tue 4/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 9:24 pm Subject: potential scam warning Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers I recently came across what I consider to be a potential scam: Some of the Ohr/Cosmic Couriers original vinyls (not TD, but Ash Ra Temple/Popul Vuh, etc) have been reissued recently with the same covers and still with the old Ohr catalog numbers and labels. From the outside of the sleeve, they do not seem to re-issues (just mint copies of the 'originals'). This in itself is not a scam but the fact that record stores are selling them for same price as the originals sell for is! If you are not careful, you will think that expensive 'mint' copy of an Ohr vinyl is a great find but it is really just a reprint! So BE CAREFUL. This will be especially problematic in 2-3 years when used and worn copies of the re-issues hit the market. No longer will the Cosmic Couriers or Ohr logos signify a rarity but will be cause for a more careful inspection. Can anyone in the know shed some more light on this issue? (Peter, Klaus Lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 11:00 pm Subject: The Froese/Hendrix Connection Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > ... > PS did you know The Ones once opened for the Jimi Hendrix Experience? To hell with all that crass commercialism, here's the important stuff. When was Jimi a member of TD? Did they get stoned together? Did Hendrix somehow transfer his fingers before death? What did Edgar think of Jimi? Does it have anything to do with Edgar being a vegitarian? Is Jerome's hairdoo a tribute to Jimi? Does Edgar channel while doing 'Purple Haze?' I could go on but I'm sure others have questions also. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3186 Re: The Froese/Hendrix Connection Grant Middleton Tue 4/29/1997 3 KB 3189 Re: The Froese/Hendrix Connection Mark Filipak Tue 4/29/1997 3 KB 3191 Re: The Froese/Hendrix Connection Grant Middleton Tue 4/29/1997 4 KB 3193 Re: The Froese/Hendrix Connection Andy Bloyce Tue 4/29/1997 2 KB 3198 Re: The Froese/Hendrix Connection FONINFO@a... Tue 4/29/1997 2 KB 3215 Re: The Froese/Hendrix Connection Plumer, Scott Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 10:50 pm Subject: Re: e-mails to lars / F*** compuserve Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > I've been trying to access F***ing compuserve e-mail since Friday > and keep getting the message 'service temporarily unavailable' so > if you've been waiting for a reply / info; it's not me! it's f'ing > compuserve in London... I've read that the favorate book of the guy who runs CS in the UK is Jonathan Swift's 'A Modest Proposal for the Solution to the Irish Question.' Does the IRA know about this guy ... ;-) Cheers -- Mark (all intended in the best of good humor folks) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 10:41 pm Subject: Why sell Quinoa through Voiceprint? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > ... > Why would > Edgar sell off 270-300 copies of Quinoa to this place or any other > (and he'd have to sell them for about 5-7 pounds each to make it > profitable enough for any company to buy and re-sell for 15) and > only try to sell 30+ at the concerts when he could have sold all > 300 at the concerts for 17 quid each and kept all the money himself > and then offered any remainder (yeah right!) to dealers afterwards!! > Why would this place get such a dramatic break in the Quinoa price? > Surely Edgar has some idea of its value and rarity. Perhaps it's value and rarity is exactly why Edgar sold it wholesale to Voiceprint. If he sold them only at the concerts, no-one outside continental Europe would stand much of a chance of getting one. If he sold them to Voiceprint for stlg 17 each, then no-one would be able to afford them after Voiceprint's markup -- this is assuming Voiceprint would even accept them at stlg 17 (there would be some risk of unsold copies due to the high price). By providing them through Voiceprint at a reasonable cost, EF has pretty much assured that everyone who closely follows the action (ie, diehard fans) will get one. Again, I think EF has shown what a genius he is and why he has been so successful in business. As to why Voiceprint? -- an unasked question -- perhaps Edgar likes them and/or owed them a favor. Perhaps he wanted to use a smallish distributor in the UK as a thankyou to the British fans knowing that they would get first crack at them. This of course is all just my opinion. Facts, like everything associated with TD and EF, are rare. But I'm becomming less and less convinced that this is by design. Just as EF allowed the other band members to live fairly normal lives by taking care of all the business himself, he loves his private life and doesn't seem to give much thought to how his decisions will be seen by his fans -- nor should he be concerned. To clarify, that he maintains his private life first *is* by design I think. What is not by design is how this makes him seem 'mysterious' as has been noted in many places. I don't think he has designed this 'personna' -- on the contrary, I think he genuinely doesn't give a rat's ass. That Edgar doesn't want to live up to the obligations that accrue to celebrity is understandable to me -- I'd rather be rich than be a celebrity and I can't imagine Edgar thinks differently. So everyone who thinks thus-and-such about EF's motives (I'm not referring to you Lars as you have always been a perfect gentleman), can go to... Regards to all. -- Mark (asbestos briefs securely in place ;-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: QUINOA and 'Crazy Eddie' Lars Jones <105411.3107@c...>, Tangerine Dream Digest Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: credit cards & quinoa >Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:22:31 -0400 >Source: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Lars R. Jones <105411.3107@c...> > >>[...] Perhaps I should contact them via their >>*non*-800 number and find out for sure??? > >-- Yes definitely call them, I am trying to call them. [...] Sigh. I don't feel like spending $s on long-distance. :( >OK, I'm a little concerned about this 28-day bit myself. [...] Thanks for the info. >I would suggest in your order that you offer to pay for at least >'recorded' air mail. [...] Huh?!? What's *this*? Never heard of it. [...] I know with the Oasis videos that the advertised postage was >next to nothing but then when I called and asked, they said they were >going 3rd or 4th class ('on a space available basis') so it would be >2-3+ weeks (this is all within the US) so I popped a few extras bucks >for 2nd-day delivery and was very happy to get it that way. Since I've >been in London, I've waited 3-4 weeks for **airmail** packages from >both Europe and the US so you definitely don't want surface (this can >be confirmed by someone on the list too). They say it takes a month >but they will admit under pressure that it is more likely to take two >months. Small packages are generally better than larger ones (which I >think go 'space available') so in the case you might be OK but ask to >be sure. Do you mean 'a few extra bucks for 2nd-day delivery' from *Voiceprint*? And how much are we really talking about here? (If I decide to go this route, it will be via their 800 number.) >Here are some doubts I had about this deal; they still remain valid >questions to be answered: The copies of Quinoa sold at the Bonn concert >both lend legitimacy to this story but also substantial doubt. [...] Funny how Mark Filipak gets so defensive when I grump and groan about how recent TD marketing ploys are 'scam'-like. This QUINOA business smells the ripest. And...I call Edgar 'Crazie Eddie' whenever I'm in a cute mood and am ticked off at his marketing shenanigans. Ever hear of the New York sound system huckster named Crazy Eddie? That's what I'm referring to when I make jibes about Edgar's sales practices. -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 11:24 pm Subject: urgent Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) message from lars jones. he has not been able to access his compuserve email for four days now. he is working on problem. replys and messages will resume as soon as he can get access. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 11:56 pm Subject: Re: Time for a Change? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >There is significant change in all your examples, including from >'Rockoon' to 'Goblins' Club' -- too bad you don't hear it. Hey, I rather like Rockoon. How could you dislike a track entitled 'Penguin Reference'? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 12:13 am Subject: Re: melatron question Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >King Crimson used it heavily. In fact, Robert Fripp still uses one today >with his guitar. They are very rare and hard to find today. Anyway, most Phish still uses one. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 12:17 am Subject: Re: Emil Hachfeld Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > by the presence of such a great drummer as Klaus is, and if Emil stays > with TD, his presence will certainly have an impact on Edgar and > Jerome's compositions - but exactly as in Klaus's case, his influence > will remain an indirect one. Of course, Franke & Schulze both started as drummers. . . Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 1:09 am Subject: Re: e-mails to lars / F*** compuserve Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > I've been trying to access F***ing compuserve e-mail since Friday and keep > getting the message 'service temporarily unavailable' so if you've been > waiting for a reply / info; it's not me! it's f'ing compuserve in London... Maybe Compuserve is getting clogged up with the traffic for the Spice Girls mailing list!! :-D Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 2:56 am Subject: Nachtmusik im WDR Really-From: Vic Rek Hello! If anyone can get me a copy of the 'Nachtmusik im WDR' CD-R, please e-mail me privately off list. Thanks, Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 6:48 am Subject: Rumpelstiltskin Really-From: AslanFan1@a... LAST CALL! If anyone on the list is still wanting a CD of the now out of print Rumpelstiltskin CD, please email asap. As luck would have it, I got a couple more in! Please email off list. I'm willing to sell or trade. THanks! -Alan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3188 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Mark Filipak Tue 4/29/1997 3 KB 5251 Rumpelstiltskin AslanFan1@a... Sun 6/22/1997 2 KB 5252 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Capel Martyn Sun 6/22/1997 2 KB 5256 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Lon Lowen Sun 6/22/1997 2 KB 5476 Hello? Mark Jones Sat 6/28/1997 2 KB 5254 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Francisco Salgado C. Sun 6/22/1997 2 KB 6229 Rumpelstiltskin AslanFan1@a... Fri 8/1/1997 2 KB 7227 Rumpelstiltskin AslanFan1@a... Tue 9/23/1997 2 KB 7228 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Anthony G. Francis, Jr. Tue 9/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 4:08 pm Subject: Voiceprint Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' At the risk of stating the obvious (to some of us, at least), there must be some close connection between TD and Voiceprint because they (Voiceprint) are 'advertised' in the Oasis soundtrack CD : 'Copies of the Oasis Video are available mail order @ stlg15 inc shipping from Voiceprint Mail Order, PO Box 50, Houghton-Le-Spring, DH4 5YP, England' If this doesn't vouch for authenticity, I don't know what does! And since Voiceprint are flogging all the other TDI discs, it seems natural (to me) that Edgar would give the same company first bite at Quinoa. As for Edgar's motives in using a Mail Order outlet rather than flogging them all on tour, well who can say. Maybe Mark is right - he is a philanthropist that wants o spread the word world-wide. N.P. - Oasis - TD --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3340 Voiceprint David J. Hughes Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3348 Re: Voiceprint Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3370 Re: Voiceprint Vic Rek Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3404 Re: Voiceprint Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 5/2/1997 3 KB 3415 Re: Voiceprint Jim Moore Sat 5/3/1997 3 KB 3420 Re: Voiceprint Vic Rek Sat 5/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 8:49 am Subject: Re: The Froese/Hendrix Connection Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > To hell with all that crass commercialism, here's the important stuff. > When was Jimi a member of TD? NOW we're talking ! Could you imagine Jimi jamming over TD on Coldwater Canyon ? > Did they get stoned together? JH : Hey man ! Imagine that all the atoms in your hand are tiny solar systems. EF : Wow ! Yeah, and that means that we might just be a tiny atom in some cosmic giant's hand ! JH : EF : What were we talking about, man ? JH : Can't remember. > Hendrix somehow transfer his fingers before death? To Edgar ? Get real. Different ball park, Mark. No, scrub that - it's a different game. > What did Edgar think of Jimi? Edgar thought the sun shone out his butt. It's well documented. I've got to agree with big Ed on this one. > Does it have anything to do with Edgar being a vegitarian? Now THAT's a weird leap, Mark. Where did that one come from ? > Is Jerome's hairdoo a tribute to Jimi? No, it's a tribute to Noel Redding. > Does Edgar channel while doing 'Purple Haze?' Yeah, he channels into the supermarket muzak guru. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 8:53 am Subject: Spice Girls (was Re: e-mails to lars ) Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: dbrewer@a... > > Maybe Compuserve is getting clogged up with the traffic for the Spice Girls > mailing list!! :-D > > Dave Brewer Hmmmm. I wonder who the Tangs' fave Spice Girls are ? I think Jerome would go for Scary Spice (Mel B) for her hairdo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3190 Re: Spice Girls (was Re: e-mails to lars ) Craig R. J. Cordrey Tue 4/29/1997 3 KB 3197 Re: Spice Girls (was Re: e-mails to lars ) FONINFO@a... Tue 4/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 9:12 am Subject: Re: Rumpelstiltskin Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: AslanFan1@a... > > LAST CALL! > If anyone on the list is still wanting a CD of the now out of print > Rumpelstiltskin CD, please email asap. As luck would have it, I got > a couple more in! Please email off list. I'm willing to sell or trade. > THanks! -Alan I got mine from Alan with no problems. Below is the discog for it. It sounds much more like an album than a soundtrack and is definitely worth getting. I was surprised by how dynamic the music was for a children's story, but considering the ominous nature of the story, perhaps this is not so unusual. - Mark RUMPELSTILTSKIN (OST) [??? 91] - EF/JF 1- Rumpelstiltskin [21:53] 5- The Countryside [2:24] (music & reading, together) 6- A Walk Through the Woods [4:36] 2- Rumpelstiltskin Theme [2:56] 7- Dance on the Hill [3:11] 3- Alchemy of Straw [2:55] 8- A Mother's Triumph [2:22] 4- Rumpel Town [4:21] Actual times fr Rabbit Ears/BMG, RCE 74041-70770-2. 1-MC Tracks: Side 1: 1-8 / Side 2: 1-8 [1991] Rabbit Ears/BMG (US) R4 70458 1-CD Tracks: 1-8 [1991] Rabbit Ears/BMG (US) RCE 74041-70770-2 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 9:48 am Subject: Re: The Froese/Hendrix Connection Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > Here too! > > Hendrix somehow transfer his fingers before death? > > To Edgar ? Get real. Different ball park, Mark. No, scrub > that - it's a different game. Not to Edgar -- not even I am that in love with the guy -- to Daryl Stuermer? > > Does it have anything to do with Edgar being a vegitarian? > > Now THAT's a weird leap, Mark. Where did that one come from ? Well except for taking a regular bite of the monkey, wasn't Jimi a vegitarian? > > Is Jerome's hairdoo a tribute to Jimi? > > No, it's a tribute to Noel Redding. Ooo. I think you're really on to something here Grant. > > Does Edgar channel while doing 'Purple Haze?' > > Yeah, he channels into the supermarket muzak guru. Aw, and you almost made it cleanly all the way through a post about Edgar. ;-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 5:57 pm Subject: Re: Spice Girls (was Re: e-mails to lars ) Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > > Really-From: dbrewer@a... > > > > Maybe Compuserve is getting clogged up with the traffic for the Spice Girls > > mailing list!! :-D > > > > Dave Brewer > > Hmmmm. I wonder who the Tangs' fave Spice Girls are ? > > I think Jerome would go for Scary Spice (Mel B) for her hairdo. > Don't knock the Spice Girls, guys. I see they're featured in this month's Record Collector - when was the last time TD appeard in that mag? (And no, I didn't buy it). I'd rather look at Emma than Edgar any day! NP - Oxygene 7-13 - JMJ --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 10:43 am Subject: Re: The Froese/Hendrix Connection Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > Hendrix somehow transfer his fingers before death? > > > > To Edgar ? Get real. Different ball park, Mark. No, scrub > > that - it's a different game. > > Not to Edgar -- not even I am that in love with the guy -- to Daryl > Stuermer? I think probably Stevie Ray Vaughan. However, the question remains... who did Stevie bequeath them to ? > > > Does it have anything to do with Edgar being a vegitarian? > > > > Now THAT's a weird leap, Mark. Where did that one come from ? > > Well except for taking a regular bite of the monkey, wasn't Jimi a > vegitarian? Beavis : Wow ! Lookit that ! He took a bite of the monkey. Butthead : Hu huh hu Bite. Beavis : He spanks the plank, too. Butthead : Huh huhuh huhuh Spank. Didn't he used to, like, bite his plank ? Beavis : Yeah, he'd do 'Purple Haze'. Dooiioooing, Doooing, Doooioioing, Doooinngg, Doing, Dooing, Ddoooing, Dddoinng. B & B : Daaa-da-da-da. Daaa-da-da-daaaaa. Daaa-da-da-da. Daaa-da-da-daaaaa. Beavis : Then he'd like bite his guitar or something. Butthead : Huh huh huhuh Bite. Beavis : So that means he like bit the monkey, spanked the plank, bit the plank..... Butthead : Huhhuhuhuhhuhuhuhuh Beavis : Ahen. that just leaves..... Butthead : Huhhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhu Beavis : Heeeheeheheheheh. > > > Does Edgar channel while doing 'Purple Haze?' > > > > Yeah, he channels into the supermarket muzak guru. > > Aw, and you almost made it cleanly all the way through a post about > Edgar. ;-) Maybe one day I'll make it. One step at a time. 'Hello. My name is Grant Middleton. I am an Edgar Basher.' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 1:35 pm Subject: Marketing.... Really-From: Tom Richmond Usually I just lurk here, but I have to pipe up on the marketing discussion. Why does TD continually market 'limited edition' items like the Sheperd's Bush CD, Das Madchen... and the Oasis CD? On top of that the distribution methods used make it next to impossible for those of us in the US (and probably other non-european fans) to get without paying a premium. I find $21 rather excessive for 20 minutes of music. Is anybody else bothered by this? I have an order pending for Quinoa (though I still have trouble justifying the cost to myself), and have emailed Voiceprint a couple of times to check availability with no response. Hmmm.... Music is art, right? Shouldn't as many people as possible have the opportunity to enjoy it? Just my opinion, of course. Tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3195 Re: Marketing.... Grant Middleton Tue 4/29/1997 3 KB 3196 Re: Marketing.... Mark Filipak Tue 4/29/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: The Froese/Hendrix Connection Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...> >>I think probably Stevie Ray Vaughan. However, the question remains... >>who did Stevie bequeath them to ? Kenny Wayne Shepard? Monster Mike Welch? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: QUINOA, 'Crazy Eddie,' and VoicePrint Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:08:55 -0700 >From: Mark Filipak >Reply-To: Mark Filipak >Subject: Re: QUINOA and 'Crazy Eddie' > >Hi Steve. I'm not being facetious and I'm writing off-list. [...] > >I don't now think you are malicious though there was a time when I >thought that. This is why I just can't figure out why you persist in >this 'Crazy Eddie' routine. I really do want to understand. I know it's bad form to respond to a personal e-mail on a public list--especially when the e-mailer made a point of going off-list to say what he or she wanted to say--but I if Mark misunderstood what I meant by 'Crazy Eddie,' that means that plenty (if not most) other people did, too, and that's a problem that should be rectified. >Steven Feldman wrote: >> ... >> Funny how Mark Filipak gets so defensive when I grump and groan >> about how recent TD marketing ploys are 'scam'-like. This QUINOA >> business smells the ripest. And...I call Edgar 'Crazie Eddie' whenever >> I'm in a cute mood and am ticked off at his marketing shenanigans. >> Ever hear of the New York sound system huckster named Crazy Eddie? > >Of course not. I live in California. Ack! Therein lies the rub. Back in the 1980's, there was a series of ads on southern New England television for a stereo store called Crazy Eddie's. At first, this store merely had a cartoony-looking mascot that was an overly-effusive, shyster-type of saleman, but then this guy showed up as a live-action figure on TV ads. I don't know whether this 'Crazy Eddie' was fictitious or actually the owner of the shop, but he was quite the memorable character. I think the closest thing to him is the announcer for the radio ads used for the Newbury Comics record store chain--which, again, is a southern New England store. Sigh. I feel so provincial. Sorry about letting what boils down to an inside (i.e. local-only) joke run rampant to the point of almost causing damage. >> That's what I'm referring to when I make jibes about Edgar's sales >> practices. > >So you don't really think Edgar is crazy? No. I've merely taken advantage of the fact that Edgar bears two things in common with the (fictional?) character, Crazy Eddie: a first name (i.e. surname) and a (recent, anyways) penchant for hucksterism. What do I mean by hucksterism? Let's see, Ed has recently remixed and re-issued three-quarters of his output and passed if off as compilation- cum-hits-packages (TANGENTS, BOOK OF DREAMS/DREAMROOTS, and BEYOND THE STORM). What with Miramar putting out THE BRICK, that's almost all of TD, not counting the Private Music stuff. I would be personally horrified to learn that there are individuals out there whose TD collections consist solely of DREAMROOTS, TANGENTS, THE PRIVATE MUSIC OF TANGERINE DREAM, DREAM MUSIC I, DREAM MUSIC II, BEYOND THE STORM, and TANGERINE AMBIENCE: A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM (but anything's possible, right)? >By now you've probably seen my post about 'Quinoa' and how Edgar may >have done us all a favor by putting the majority of them up for sale >through Voiceprint at a decent price -- how the way he did it would most >likely get them to his greatest fans. Does this explanation seem >plausible to you? Almost, but the problem is, the 'us' that he's done a favor is the rabid *online* TD fans. I mean, who the heck else would have found out? And if someone hadn't told the mailing list folk about the website, we, too, might not have found out (in time). Recall how I have met four people (virtually and/or personally) so far who have seen copies of THE KEEP soundtrack and yet most of the 'greatest fans' (people on this list?) still don't believe it exists as a once-commercial product. Oh, ye of little faith. ;) >You seem to harbor some long held and bitter resentment towards Edgar. Nah. I always feign personal injury on the part of my idols when I can't obtain a collectible that exists because I am one of their fans. It's just a pose and a case of sour grapes. Edgar is guiltless in the matter. >Without negating your feelings which I don't see as justified but are >nevertheless your feelings, I would like you to tell me what his >marketing shenanigans have been. Perhaps you can convince me, or >perhaps I can point out some alternative explanations. [...] I believe I launched into a flamewar about my displeasure with remix compilations like TANGENTS and DREAM ROOTS a couple of months ago. Some people agreed with me, but more did not. You're one of the ones who did not. >Subject: Why sell Quinoa through Voiceprint? >Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:41:32 -0700 >Source: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Mark Filipak [Regarding the recent 'warehouse find' of 300 copies of QUINOA:] >By providing them through Voiceprint at a reasonable cost, EF has pretty >much assured that everyone who closely follows the action (ie, diehard >fans) will get one. Again, I think EF has shown what a genius he is and >why he has been so successful in business. Yeah, and how much of the world owns a computer? I happen to know for a fact that one of the very biggest TD fans on the planet--Paul Grygorcewicz--doesn't own one. That he probably found out about Voice- print's having copies of QUINOA before it was even put on the web is besides the point: I'm sure that there are plenty of rabid TD fans who would give their left or right nut or ovary for QUINOA but won't find out about it until it's way too late. Maybe it would've been better if Ed had mentioned it as being available in the liner notes of the next TD studio album (not OASIS, since not all TD fans buy TD 'peripherals,' if you know what I mean). That way, access to the CD would truly have been democratic. Heck, they could even have held a contest: 'Answer the following six questions and you, too, can order a copy of QUINOA of your very own!' Sound preposterous? Maybe. Sound fair? Likely. >[...] I think [Edgar] genuinely doesn't give a rat's ass. [...] Hee hee. The line above could be used as ammunition for quite a few amusing arguments if taken out of context. ;) >[...] everyone who thinks thus-and-such about EF's motives [...] can >go to... Oh boy, flamebait! ;) :) (Sorry; I couldn't resist.) >Regards to all. -- Mark (asbestos briefs securely in place ;-) Phwoosh! ;) >Subject: Voiceprint >Source: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:08:44 GB-EIRE >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > >At the risk of stating the obvious (to some of us, at least), there must >be some close connection between TD and Voiceprint because they >(Voiceprint) are 'advertised' in the Oasis soundtrack CD : While this is indeed pretty conclusive, it illustrates a case of putting the cart befor the horse as far as the OASIS CD and buyer availability is concerned. To wit, those without web access (or those unaware of Voiceprint's existence, web or no) who buy the pre-release CD on the European tour get first crack at even knowing about Voiceprint, let alone the fact that they have copies of QUINOA. I suppose a point could be made that only those who mailed away to Voiceprint for a catalogue (an imposition on potential foreign, air-mail customers) deserved to find out, but that's sorta nasty. >And since Voiceprint are flogging all the other TDI discs, it seems >natural (to me) that Edgar would give the same company first bite at >Quinoa. As for Edgar's motives in using a Mail Order outlet rather than >flogging them all on tour, well who can say. [...] Well, now that you put it that way, you might well have a point. >[...] Maybe Mark is right - he is a philanthropist that wants to spread >the word world-wide. Could be. Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3216 Re: QUINOA, 'Crazy Eddie,' and VoicePrint Plumer, Scott Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3249 Re: QUINOA, 'Crazy Eddie,' and VoicePrint PNaunton@a... Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3256 Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...) dbrewer@a... Wed 4/30/1997 3 KB 3258 Phil's Poll Sean Montgomery Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3259 Re: QUINOA, 'Crazy Eddie,' and VoicePrint Plumer, Scott Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3304 Re: QUINOA, 'Crazy Eddie,' and VoicePrint Larry E Smith Thu 5/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 2:31 pm Subject: Re: Marketing.... Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Tom Richmond > > premium. I find $21 rather excessive for 20 minutes of music. Is > anybody else bothered by this? Yeah, that's a rip-off. No two ways about it. > Music is art, right? Shouldn't as many people as possible have the > opportunity to enjoy it? Music is art, yeah. However, Tangerine Dream, as well as being a group of artists are also in the _business_ of making music. That's how they earn their crust and keep the wolves from the door. I would gladly pay $100 for Rubycon if that was the only way to get it. However, I think that's the only disc in the world that I would fork out that kinda cash for. Maybe I would also have forked out for 'Coefficients of Aural Expansion' too, as it's a great disc, but none of the proceeds are going to the original artists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 3:16 pm Subject: Re: Marketing.... Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Tom Richmond > > Usually I just lurk here, but I have to pipe up on the marketing > discussion. Why does TD continually market 'limited edition' items > like the Sheperd's Bush CD, Das Madchen... This is not unusual at all. Most record companies do this and in fact, FAX Records of Germany offered only limited editions until very recently when it opened a US subsidiary using Instinct Records to do its pressing. > and the Oasis CD? To my knowledge, this is _not_ a limited edition CD. > On top of that > the distribution methods used make it next to impossible for those of > us in the US (and probably other non-european fans) to get without > paying a premium. I find $21 rather excessive for 20 minutes of music. > Is anybody else bothered by this? I am. But the US is not the primary market for TD. Europe is. The US is tightly in the grip of mega-music conglomerates that also own the entertainment media, which is generally the way people find out about music. Hence, we in the US get Madonna and Prince. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 3:55 pm Subject: Re: Spice Girls (was Re: e-mails to lars ) Really-From: FONINFO@a... REMOVE ME From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 3:56 pm Subject: Re: The Froese/Hendrix Connection Really-From: FONINFO@a... REMOVE ME From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 4:05 pm Subject: Crazy Eddie & Edgar Really-From: mulik@i... (Mark Mulik) Howdy, everyone! >>> business smells the ripest. And...I call Edgar 'Crazie Eddie' whenever >>> I'm in a cute mood and am ticked off at his marketing shenanigans. >>> Ever hear of the New York sound system huckster named Crazy Eddie? >> >>Of course not. I live in California. > > Ack! Therein lies the rub. Back in the 1980's, there was a series >of ads on southern New England television for a stereo store called >Crazy Eddie's. At first, this store merely had a cartoony-looking >mascot that was an overly-effusive, shyster-type of saleman, but then >this guy showed up as a live-action figure on TV ads. I don't know >whether this 'Crazy Eddie' was fictitious or actually the owner of the >shop, but he was quite the memorable character. You forgot the part where Crazy Eddie's went out of business amid the jailings and enormous securities fraud violations, the millions stashed in that bank in Israel, etc. $21 for a 20-minute CD is pretty harsh, yes, but to compare Edgar and Crazy Eddie as similar is to insinuate that Edgar is a Thief doing some Risky Business. :) Cheers. The Mummy (who recently returned to the list after a long absence) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 5:08 pm Subject: stockhausen on td Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) Hi, since I disappeared from the mailing list for a while, I don't know whether the following posting arrived or not. So I send it again. ***************** recently, on a flight to London, I discovered something very interesting in my favourite german newspaper, 'Die Zeit'. They sent a tape to the german avantgarde composer Karlheinz Stockhausen (I hope you know Stockhausen) with several 5 to 6 minute bits (instead of complete tracks - shame on 'Die Zeit') of Krautrock - so avantgardish german rock music of the late 60s/early 70s - and asked him for his opinion. These tracks were the following: 1.) 'Aumgn' from Can (Album 'Tago Mago') 2.) 'Journey through a burning brain' from TD ('Electronic Meditation') 3.) 'Phallus Dei' from Amon Duul II ('u' are Umlaut here) 4.) 'Suche + Liebe' from Ash Ra Temple (Album 'Schwingungen') 5.) 'Winds - Liebeswehen 2 - Elektron 2 - Ella' from Faust 6.) 'Affenstunde' from Popol Vuh (Dream Part 4) This is what Stockhousen said about 'Journey...'. I type first the original german, and then try to translate into english. Tierschreie, ab 1'27'' verzerrte Gitarrenakzente, unperiodische Folge. 1'52'' Orgelmusik (etwas verzerrt) mit Kreisch Geraeuschen; periodisches Tempo 66, As-moll mit Kadenzierungen zu Des-B-Ges wiederholt. Fromme tonale Kirchenmusik mit mittelalterlichen Daemonen. Vor ca. 5 Min. taenzerisches, barockes Praeludium im Tempo 144 in As-moll mit jaulenden Gitarrenglissandi fuer ca. 42 Sek. Dauer ca 5'55' Nicht interessant: ------------------ dreiteilige form A (Schreie) + A erweitert (plus Gitarrenakzente) - B (Orgel) - C (Praeludium) / Naturalismus der Schreie / Gitarren-Klischees, Kreischen / As-moll-Kadenzierung, froemmelnde Tonalitaet / periodische Wiederholungen in konstantem Tempo ohne Ziel / Titel angeberisch Interessant: ------------ unvorhersehbarer Rhythmus im Formteil A. now the english translation. I don't know the translation of some music terms, so I simply repeat the german terms since I guess they are similar in english and you all understand animal screams, from 1'27'' on distorted guitar accents, non-periodic sequence. 1'52'' organ music (a bit distorted) with screaming noises; periodic tempo 66, A-flat-minor with 'Kadenzierungen' to D flat - B - G flat repeated. Pious tonal church music with middle age demons. Before approx. 5 Min. dancing-like, baroc prelude tempo 144 in A-flat minor with howling guitar glissandi for approx. 42 Sek. duration aprox. 5'55'' Not interesting: ---------------- threefold structure A (screams) + A extended (plus guitar accents) - B (organ) - C (prelude) / naturalism of screams / guitar 'Klischee', screaming / A flat minor 'Kadenzierung', pious-like tonality / periodic repetition with constant speed without aim / title 'bragging' (not shure about last word) Interesting: ------------ unpredictable rhythm in part A armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3206 Re: stockhausen on td Sean Montgomery Tue 4/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 5:16 pm Subject: Scam????? Really-From: TangerineC@a... Was just wondering if Ranjit Padmanabhan was legit. I ordered a few tangerine Dream cd's from him a few weeks ago and never recieved them. I'm starting to get worried. If someone has ordered from him also, let me know if it is legit. Thanks. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3205 Re: Scam????? Brian Frick Tue 4/29/1997 3 KB 3219 Re: Scam????? dbrewer@a... Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3240 Re: Scam????? Erik Sanborn Wed 4/30/1997 3 KB 3255 Re: Scam????? Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 4/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 5:28 pm Subject: TDI NEWS FLASH Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> TDI NEWS FLASH 425 AUTOGRAPHED COPIES OF ULTIMA THULE FOUND! Tangerine Dream wishes to announce the astonishing discovery of 425 mint autographed copies of the single 'Ultima Thule' on the German Ohr label. The discovery was made while staff members were cleaning out a vault of older material. Edgar Froese has decided to make these copies initially available to members of the e-mail list tadream@c... for only 12 DM to cover shipping and handling (sorry, only one copy per person). Commenting on the discovery of these rarities, Mr. Froese stated, 'For the 30th anniversary of Tangerine Dream, we thought it would be appropriate to do something especially nice for our most loyal fans, to reward them for all that they have done for us. We could have offered these singles to the dealers first but it is not our wish to make money on these copies.' The copies of Ultima Thule are available on a first-come basis; for further details send an e-mail to TDI at this address: justa.joke@y... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3207 Re: TDI NEWS FLASH Sean Montgomery Tue 4/29/1997 2 KB 3208 Re: TDI NEWS FLASH Steven Feldman, Rolling on th Tue 4/29/1997 2 KB 3211 Re: TDI NEWS FLASH TangerineC@a... Tue 4/29/1997 2 KB 3218 Re: TDI NEWS FLASH dbrewer@a... Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3228 Re: TDI NEWS FLASH Mark Filipak Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 5:28 pm Subject: mark shreeve Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Ash Prema recently turned me onto Mark Shreeve; Wow! now I know what everyone has been talking about--this is great stuff. A couple of you had asked me for some Mark Shreeve stuff and now I have found a little bit, if you want it, let me know soon. Lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3226 Re: mark shreeve Rakinik Intertype Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 5:42 pm Subject: Re: QUINOA and 'Crazy Eddie' Lars Jones <105411.3107@c...>, Tangeri... Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-04-28 20:32:11 EDT, you write: << Ever hear of the New York sound system huckster named Crazy Eddie? That's what I'm referring to when I make jibes about Edgar's sales practices. >> sure...crazy eddie aznar...his prices were so insaaaaaaaaaane that hes now in jail for tax evasion.... tom w np: peter scherer - very neon pet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 6:11 pm Subject: Re: Scam????? Really-From: Brian Frick tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > Was just wondering if Ranjit Padmanabhan was legit. I ordered a few tangerine > Dream cd's from him a few weeks ago and never recieved them. I'm starting to > get worried. If someone has ordered from him also, let me know if it is > legit. Thanks. Yeah, he's legit :) He does a good job -- perhaps you should email him? -- Later! -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3219 Re: Scam????? dbrewer@a... Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 6:02 pm Subject: Re: stockhausen on td Really-From: Sean Montgomery I find this very amusing! Can you imagine if he had been given a copy of Tyranny of Beauty? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Think Global - Act Loco!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 6:05 pm Subject: Re: TDI NEWS FLASH Really-From: Sean Montgomery > The copies of Ultima Thule are available on a first-come basis; for further > details send an e-mail to TDI at this address: > > justa.joke@y... The funny part about this is that I believed it for the first five lines or so. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Think Global - Act Loco!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: TDI NEWS FLASH Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Rolling on the Floor with Laughter' Snicker, snort, snuck. Phew! Good one! ;) :) :) :) :) :) -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Referring to Edgar as 'Crazy Eddie': A Formal Apology Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Crazy Eddie & Edgar >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:05:24 -0400 (EDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: mulik@i... (Mark Mulik) > >You forgot the part where [...] One cannot forget that which one never knew. >[...] Crazy Eddie's went out of business amid the >jailings and enormous securities fraud violations, the millions stashed in >that bank in Israel, etc. [...] This is the first time I've heard of this. I'm sorry about all my snide Crazy Eddie references re Edgar, now. I meant to use the name as an endearment and/or jest; I meant nothing malicious by it. >[...] $21 for a 20-minute CD [it's $27 for 28] is pretty harsh, yes, but >to compare Edgar and Crazy Eddie as similar is to insinuate that Edgar is a >Thief doing some Risky Business. :) I in no way meant to imply such. I apologize to those who might have thought so. -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 7:08 pm Subject: Prince (was Marketing) Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: Mark Filipak >Hence, we in the US get Madonna and Prince. Hey! Thou shalt not defame Prince! Any artist who can sing about incest and blowjobs and still thank God in the liners can't be all bad. Sexy M.F., B. Kirby PS - Please insert the phrase 'and isn't a gangsta rapper' after the word 'blowjobs' in my second sentence. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3212 Re: Prince (was Marketing) Greg Heil Tue 4/29/1997 2 KB 3232 Re: Prince (was Marketing) Mark Filipak Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 7:47 pm Subject: Re: TDI NEWS FLASH Really-From: TangerineC@a... That is a crappy joke! My heart started racing. Never do that again dammit!!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 9:27 pm Subject: Re: Prince (was Marketing) Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Hey! Thou shalt not defame Prince! Any artist who can sing about incest and > blowjobs and still thank God in the liners can't be all bad. > Hey now! It isn't 'Prince' anymore.. *newsflash* it's that damn symbol! You know... The one that looks like.. er.. how can I say this.. ummmm.. a a Bisexual symbol? All we gotta do now is get Edgar to follow suit and come out with his own symbol :) Something easy for us.. like.. @ or # or ! yeah.. TD & ! ? Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Oboy! Lotsa New TD to Listen to This Week! :) Really-From: Steven Feldman In case some of you think I'm some sort of anti-Edgar Froese jerk or something, it ain't so! I like quite a bit of stuff on BEYOND THE STORM and my all-time fave TD-related recording is EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE. Just because I think MACULA TRANSFER and AGES are lame doesn't mean that I can't like AQUA, EPSILON, ELECTRONIC DREAMS, STUNTMAN, SOLO 74-79, KAMIKAZE 1989, PINNACLES, and, yes, even ZONING! Now then, that said, I must admit that I haven't had a working CD player for over 2 months . . . until yesterday. I'm on a tight budget (in part because of Ed's scam-a-thon, i.e. having to buy DREAM ROOTS, OASIS, MANDARIN CREAM, DAS MADCHEN AUF DER TREPPE and the Australian version of GOBLINS' CLUB virtually back-to-back, not to mention laying out mucho dinero for copies of QUINOA, fer crissakes), so I bought a used one. I suspect many on this list will snicker when I say just what it is that I bought: a small Sony from 1985 . . . for $30.00. This little item is about the size of a portable, but it's not a portable: it has long hard rubber pads on the bottom, and soft-touch controls at the front. Unfortunately, it is not programmable and does not have repeat function, but it has a time elapse readout, a time remaining feature, a fast forward, and a music search. In short, AT LEAST I CAN HEAR THE NEW TD ITEMS I'VE ACQUIRED OVER THE LAST 2 MONTHS! Here's what I'll finally be able to hear this week: o RUBY IN THE SKY CD-R (COEFFICIENT OF AURAL EXPANSION I and II) o DANGER LIVE o LIVE IMPROVISED o LOGOS TYPE CD-R o DREAM ROOTS o The Relativity version of TYGER with 'Vigour' on it o TANGERINE AMBIENCE: A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM o UNIVERSAL SOLDIER soundtrack by Chris Franke o ENCHANTING NATURE by Chris Franke o BABYLON 5: MESSAGES FROM EARTH soundtrack by Chris Franke And I've got some other juicy e-music things, too: o ENTERPHASE by Fred Becker and Jeff Filbert o INNER STELLAR by Fred Becker o GALAXIES by Kevin Braheny o STRUCTURES FROM SILENCE by Steve Roach . . . and also CDs by Software, Dancing Fantasy, Julie Cruise, Sven Vath (the 'L'Esperanza CD-single!), and Donna Summer/Giorgio Moroder. I'm dying to hear this Summer/Moroder thingee since it's from 1997! I found a promo single in a used record store bin that is off a compilation album called ENERGY 1 or somesuch that was a Summer/Moroder outing with 5 remixes of the same tune. I'm a Moroder nut from waaay back, so this might be a treat. And then again, the last stuff Moroder put out in the US was FLASHDANCE, TOP GUN, and stuff for Nina Hagen, Limahl, and Sparks, so who knows? :) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3217 Re: Oboy! Lotsa New TD to Listen to This Week! Vic Rek Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3220 Re: Oboy! Lotsa New TD to Listen to This Week! Larry E Smith Wed 4/30/1997 4 KB 3221 Re: Oboy! Lotsa New TD to Listen to This Week! dbrewer@a... Wed 4/30/1997 3 KB 3233 Re: Oboy! Lotsa New TD to Listen to This Week! Mark Filipak Wed 4/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 11:40 pm Subject: WEIRD LAWS 6 Really-From: Michael A Jean Anchorage ALASKA: It is unlawful for anyone whose shoelaces are untied to play in a band. Denver, COLORADO: No one may play a musical instrument while barefoot. Little Rock, ARKANSAS: The height of high-heel shows worn by women at a concert may not measure more than one and a half inches. MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 11:59 pm Subject: Re: The Froese/Hendrix Connection Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> What did Edgar think of Jimi? >Edgar thought the sun shone out his butt. It's well documented. ROTFL!!! I've got to agree with big Ed on this one. > Does it have anything to do with Edgar being a vegitarian? >> Is Jerome's hairdoo a tribute to Jimi? >No, it's a tribute to Noel Redding. I thought it was a tribute to mall-haunting teenagers across America. :-) (Of course, Ed's hair was pretty gravity-defying at times) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 12:05 am Subject: RE: QUINOA, 'Crazy Eddie,' and VoicePrint Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >What do I mean by hucksterism? Let's see, Ed has recently remixed and >re-issued three-quarters of his output and passed if off as compilation- >cum-hits-packages (TANGENTS, BOOK OF DREAMS/DREAMROOTS, and BEYOND THE >STORM). What with Miramar putting out THE BRICK, that's almost all of >TD, not counting the Private Music stuff. One wonders how well these things sell. I'm surprised that they sell enough to justify putting out more! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 2:12 am Subject: Re: Oboy! Lotsa New TD to Listen to This Week! :) Really-From: Vic Rek > and my all-time fave TD-related recording is EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN >PALE. Agree! >Just because I think MACULA TRANSFER and AGES are lame doesn't Disagree (almost)! > And I've got some other juicy e-music things, too: > o STRUCTURES FROM SILENCE by Steve Roach One of my favorite non-TD EM albums! > Hey, thought I'd let you know. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 2:55 am Subject: Re: TDI NEWS FLASH Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quote From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > 425 AUTOGRAPHED COPIES OF ULTIMA THULE FOUND! > <...sitting up at the terminal with wide eyes...> THHHHTHTHTHTTHTHHHHPPPPP!!!!! [...] > > justa.joke@y... > Hey, man! You're a month late for April fools! (good one, tho) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 2:58 am Subject: Re: Scam????? Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Brian Frick > > > Quoted From: TangerineC@a... > > > > Was just wondering if Ranjit Padmanabhan was legit. I ordered a few > > Yeah, he's legit :) He does a good job -- perhaps you should email him? > -- As a happy customer of Ranjit's, I agree with Brian on all the above. Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 3:30 am Subject: Re: Oboy! Lotsa New TD to Listen to This Week! :) Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) [edited] In short, AT >LEAST I CAN HEAR THE NEW TD ITEMS I'VE ACQUIRED OVER THE LAST 2 >MONTHS! > Here's what I'll finally be able to hear this week: > > o RUBY IN THE SKY CD-R (COEFFICIENT OF AURAL EXPANSION I and II) Tell me how you like CoAE II, I own the first but wonder about the second. > o DANGER LIVE You bought this in the last two months? From where? I haven't found a source in longer than that (since Ranjit sold out). Anyone? Anyone? > o LIVE IMPROVISED Same as above (though some say it's not that good - I'm still curious). > o LOGOS TYPE CD-R > o DREAM ROOTS Disc 5 is a killer!! Enjoy! > o The Relativity version of TYGER with 'Vigour' on it > o TANGERINE AMBIENCE: A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM > o UNIVERSAL SOLDIER soundtrack by Chris Franke I've made an important decision in my life. I'm throwing in the towel on CF soundtracks - they're sending me into the poor house trying to keep up with them. And (IMHO) none of them are good 'stand alone' discs. They all seem to have something missing...like the movie! I just listened to Universal Soldier last night and am listening to New Music for Films as I write this and I gotta say - they just (and his other soundtracks I've heard) don't grab me on their own. > o ENCHANTING NATURE by Chris Franke > o BABYLON 5: MESSAGES FROM EARTH soundtrack by Chris Franke > > And I've got some other juicy e-music things, too: > > o ENTERPHASE by Fred Becker and Jeff Filbert I like this one. > o INNER STELLAR by Fred Becker > o GALAXIES by Kevin Braheny > o STRUCTURES FROM SILENCE by Steve Roach My favorite SR. Larry > > . . . and also CDs by Software, Dancing Fantasy, Julie Cruise, >Sven Vath (the 'L'Esperanza CD-single!), and Donna Summer/Giorgio >Moroder. I'm dying to hear this Summer/Moroder thingee since it's >from 1997! I found a promo single in a used record store bin that >is off a compilation album called ENERGY 1 or somesuch that was a >Summer/Moroder outing with 5 remixes of the same tune. I'm a Moroder >nut from waaay back, so this might be a treat. And then again, the >last stuff Moroder put out in the US was FLASHDANCE, TOP GUN, and >stuff for Nina Hagen, Limahl, and Sparks, so who knows? :) > > -- Steven Feldman >and > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3221 Re: Oboy! Lotsa New TD to Listen to This Week! dbrewer@a... Wed 4/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 3:55 am Subject: Re: Oboy! Lotsa New TD to Listen to This Week! :) Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) > > > > o RUBY IN THE SKY CD-R (COEFFICIENT OF AURAL EXPANSION I and II) > > Tell me how you like CoAE II, I own the first but wonder about the > second. If I may step in, since I have CoAE 1 and 2. I like 1 better, but 2 is still really good and it's got more sequencer music than part 1. Sound quality isn't quite as good on 2, but it is still more than listenable. What the head scratcher is though, is that it's supposed to be a soundboard recording, yet you can hear crowd noises at the intro and ending. I thought you couldn't hear the crowd from the soundboard. (even stranger is that the applause at the beginning of the disc sounds like it's being looped over and over :-/ ) > > > o DANGER LIVE > > You bought this in the last two months? From where? I haven't found a > source in longer than that (since Ranjit sold out). Anyone? Anyone? Yeah, please where? > > > o LIVE IMPROVISED > > Same as above (though some say it's not that good - I'm still curious). Ditto. Though I've heard only strongly positive things. (Dream Roots) > Disc 5 is a killer!! Enjoy! Ditto on ditto! :-) > I've made an important decision in my life. I'm throwing in the towel on > CF soundtracks - they're sending me into the poor house trying to keep up > with them. And (IMHO) none of them are good 'stand alone' discs. They all I agree. I stopped after NMFF1 and the first B5 album. I'm eagerly awaiting a new studio album, along the lines of say PCH, LC or Klemania... (c'mon, Chris! You can do it! :-) ) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 10:50 pm Subject: Re: pro-music by amateurs?? Really-From: Michael Fox Well, here is my 2 cents/pence worth. As to production: I have been on the engineer/ prooducer end many times and I have to give Ash the nod here. There is no substitute for high end outboard gear. The secret to 'ammbiant' sound is a dedicated reverb and/or delay for each track. Mute the tracks and listen too the reverb return on a track that is keys/drums/etc. You hear a jumble. If you don't have a separate reverb/delay for each track (hence the enourmance cost for a quality studio) the 'ambiance' you desire is gone and you have a signal full of mush. That is why the Majors have a pooh-load of outboard gear and why your tracks from home are mediocore. I have heard many of these. If you want a high quality track, level all the EQ, no effects, and take it to a studio to dump to a tape and go from there. A lot of delay and reverb gear have a bad roll-off on the high end the longer you string it out. Lexicon is better than it was, but still not full bandwidth. Also, I have heard of NO studio that uses a 'spring' type reverb. Most are a cavernous box of plates that produce an increasing amount of reverb. Keep your springs in your guitar amp! Yes, your Alesis is OK for home jobs, just don't take that stuff to a pro and expect miracles! So the bottom line is; Ash is correct in his statement. And I haven't ever heard his music! Mike At 11:00 AM 4/26/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: ashok prema > > >rom: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 23:06:41 -0500 >Subject: Re: > >Really-From: feldon@n... > >At 06:06 PM 4/25/97 +0100, you wrote: >>Really-From: ashok prema >> >>>''I think you'll find that most of the music the fans have produced is >>>a lot better than much of TD's output, for the simple reason that TD >>>made a lot of mistakes publically, and the fans don't go down those >>>paths. Also, fans can take months to produce a single >>>track, whereas Edgar and co have an incredibly full schedule to run. >>> >>>As for production quality, the equipment available now to semi-pro >>>and even amateur musicians is far superior to what was available in >>>the '70s. > >>>I'm afraid I dispute the first paragraph - indeed there is much good= > >>music >>>out there being made by amateurs - but it is rare to find an amateur >>>who not only produces consistent quality in the composition > >>So you're saying that because Tangerine Dream is a professional group and >>because they have lots of money, their music is inherently better than music >>done by someone who doesn't? > > > >Absolutely not! - but TD HAVE proven they have a talent to produce good >music - not always to each of our individuals tastes - but if they didn't >or hadn't in the past - neither you or I would be hooked up to this Digest >having this conversation now! - I like Floyd, Camel, Wakeman, Vangelis - >but don't get that heavily involved with the background of their music as I >do with TD. > > >>>I speak as >>>a musician with some such equipment - which indeed may be = >>>? technologically >>>superior to, say, the equipment used to produce 'Tangram' >>>but I >>>cannot get the production quality of 'Tangram' - mainly because I do not >>>possess the engineering skills required to record an album up to a top >>>notch standard. > >I don't understand this statement. Phaedra was done on a 4 track, no? You >can't exactly say that TD's equipment between 69 and 75 was always >professional. And finally, haven't Edgar and Jerome engineered the last two >concert CDs themselves? It's *nice* to have $50,000 worth of equipment but I >will argue that professional recordings and mixing can be done with >SoundForge and a SoundBlaster 32. > > >>>What is it that you fail to grasp?? - even TD's current production is >superior to >>that of most home based amateur musicicans - and note I say >PRODUCTION >>- not musical content . >>>And here I am totally disregarding the musical content! >>>You must remember that most amateur musicians may buy top quality synths >>>and mixing desks - and even digital recording equipment - but few can >>>afford the top notch reverbs and delay necessary to produce a pro - album >>>( - a single reverb unit can cost around =A31000 - so its not suprising= > t>>hat >>>we don't rush out to spend this sort of money on something which doesn't >>>actually produce its own sounds!!) > > > >>I was not aware that a DSP box was required to make great music. So an echo >>box makes great music? > >It isn't - but it is necessary to get a great production! -Most of TD >sequneces are syncopated with delays - take them of and you have dead music. >Why Chris Franke has 30,000 UK pounds worth of effects only - maybe just >for show?? Perhaps top flight studios should should sell all there >effects units and settle down with Soundforge - they can have a grand >improvement in life style with the thousands of pounds they'd save.! >Switch of all the effects and you'd lose a good 50% of the ambience and >feel of almost any album!! > >>>Finally, I really don't think even contentwise, many amateurs can compose >>>music to even to 'poor TD' quality - its all well for the musician= >> himself >>>to think his music is better than latter day TD - even I feel that way= > >>about >>>some of my tracks - but independant listeners will probably think >otherwise. > >>I don't know how to respond to this other than everybody can't be wrong. It >i>s very admirable that you are putting Tangerine Dream on such a high >>pedestal. I think there will be one day, if not already, people producing >>maybe just tracks, not even whole albums, which are as good musically as TD. > >I am a realist. I have heard hundreds of amateur tapes - and frankly a >mere handful would be worthy of a second consideration. There ARE a few top >notch synth musicians (Shreeve, Boddy, Pickford, T-Bass etc) who are almost >if not quite in the same league as TD, Vangelis and Jarre - but I don't >regard these people as 'amateurs' they are pro's - but just haven't hit the >big time - but apart from Shreeve whose studio is top notch most would >admit that finances permitting, they'd like to upgrade their gear - usually >the outboard stuff - NOT they the synths. > > > >Ash > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 11:05 pm Subject: mellotron Really-From: Michael Fox Well, I have a model 400 mellotron. It weighs a ton! It has been in dis-use for sometime but I can describe it. It has tapes that have 3 violins, voices, and flute sounds. There is a pot to vary pitch and to 'mix' the sounds. (IE: violins and flutes together). The keyboard is 35 keys and is the mushiest mess of a KB ever! The 'samples' last about 7 sec and so a mellotron KB 'touch' is to replay the note ever so many secs. as to create a contiuous sound. While the sound is --ahh, legendary---it is a buggar to deal with. Voltage variations play hell with the pitch. Another great (better) machine froom that period was the Freeman String Synthoniser. It looked like a circus organ but produced a great 'string' sound. Nothing else. Hope this helps with the info. PS: I got the mellotron in a trade for a 16 tk recorder and when I sold the studio, I kept it. Hey, it may be a mess, but I know a gem when I see one. Ther is a place in Hollywood, CA, USA, that does great work/service on mellotrons that I have used. I will post the name (I don't have it handy) if anyone is interested. Mike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17731 mellotron fsp@w... Wed 9/15/1999 2 KB 17758 Re: mellotron Dale Wed 9/15/1999 3 KB 31540 mellotron Admin Fri 1/18/2002 2 KB 31548 Re: mellotron TheInfection Fri 1/18/2002 2 KB 31550 Re: mellotron Eric Williamson Fri 1/18/2002 3 KB 31541 Re: mellotron Synthhtnys@a... Fri 1/18/2002 2 KB 31561 Re: mellotron Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 1/18/2002 3 KB 31613 Re: mellotron TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Mon 1/21/2002 3 KB 31621 Re: mellotron Admin Mon 1/21/2002 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 11:17 pm Subject: PB and PM Really-From: Michael Fox Peter Bauman and Private Music. I have a piece by Sanford Ponder (PM 1101) 1985 from Private Music dated 1985. PB is exec prod. Also several Yanni pieces (2024-Out Of Silence-1987/2043-Chamillion Days-1988/2056-Niki Nana-1989) producer PB. Dare to Dream--Yanni/82096/1992--producer-Yanni. Also some PR sheets from same period, the earlier stating what a cool new label PB has created, by 1992,D to D, he isn't evenn mentioned. Go figure! The 1985 piece distributed by PM/NY,NY. The rest distributed by BMG (RCA) US. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 11:33 pm Subject: NP: Really-From: Michael Fox np: Superfly soundtrack----(Freddies' dead------that's what I said----) Don't say no TD fan ain't got no soul! ö¿ö:> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: mark shreeve Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype' Does anyone know if there is a newsgroup for Mark Shreeve? Dano ---------- > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > > Ash Prema recently turned me onto Mark Shreeve; Wow! now I know what > everyone has been talking about--this is great stuff. A couple of you had > asked me for some Mark Shreeve stuff and now I have found a little bit, if > you want it, let me know soon. > > Lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 6:15 am Subject: Re: Yellowstone Park Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-27 03:58:17 EDT, you write: << Why am I addicted to listening to 'Yellowstone Park' on Le Parc?? Greg... >> God only knows. But at least it's safer than some other addictions I can think of. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ya(w)nni, for example. ;-) Phil Naunton. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 7:35 am Subject: Re: TDI NEWS FLASH Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > TDI NEWS FLASH > > 425 AUTOGRAPHED COPIES OF ULTIMA THULE FOUND! > ... > justa.joke@y... Lars, you're a sick, sick puppy and should get yourself to a vet, immediately. I got to go change underwear now. Seeya -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 8:19 am Subject: d: Live Improvised-long post Really-From: feldon@n... Holding a borrowed copy of Live Improvised in my hands, I can state that I understand why TD did not release a live album until 1977. Technically, the sound quality is excellent on the CD. You can hear the music & the audience at just the right level for each. You can definately tell that it's recorded in a cathedral from the echoes (not distracting though). As far as musically, I have to say that the first 35 minutes of disc one is best described as trying to get everyone to play one song. Even though this concert was played between the releases of Phaedra and Rubycon, there is no specific 'theme' or direction. The last 8-10 minute of this disc are more focused. The second 'side' or CD is more fruitful. The first 5 minutes and last 12 minutes of this 38 minute side are quite interesting to listen to, the middle is LOTS of noodling. In short, it's not worth $40 or $50 IMVHO. Also, (and I know I'm going to ignite a flamewar considering the negative reactions to Edgar's remixes and edits) I think it would be interesting if there were a 'Suite from Live! Improvised!' with the aforementioned parts all blended into each other into one 26 minute track. I have the equipment to do this so you never know. In the meantime though, I am hard at work with making a 2CD of the entire Harrogate 1986 concert with some extra encores/tracks from other concerts. More details to come. Please don't ask for a tracklist as of yet. Morgan feldon@n... p.s. Just to ignite *another* flamewar. Here's a question that I'd love to hear answers to: Do we as TD fans have a problem with the 'Excerpts from Poland' CD because it didn't represent the whole concert, or is it because they chose Barbakane over Tangent? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3235 Re: d: Live Improvised-long post Mark Filipak Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3253 Re: d: Live Improvised-long post Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 4/30/1997 3 KB 3257 Re: d: Live Improvised-long post Grant Middleton Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3286 Re: d: Live Improvised-long post Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 5/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 10:01 am Subject: Re: pro-music by amateurs?? Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Michael Fox > > Well, here is my 2 cents/pence worth. > As to production: I have been on the engineer/ prooducer end many times > and I have to give Ash the nod here. Part of my job is as engineer/producer. > There is no substitute for high end > outboard gear. The secret to 'ammbiant' sound is a dedicated reverb and/or > delay for each track. Mute the tracks and listen too the reverb return on a > track that is keys/drums/etc. You hear a jumble. If you don't have a > separate reverb/delay for each track (hence the enourmance cost for a > quality studio) the 'ambiance' you desire is gone and you have a signal > full of mush. Well, I disagree with this statement. I find a feed from each track into one reverb gives an overall identity to the track - it's like all the instruments are in the same 'space'. > That is why the Majors have a pooh-load of outboard gear and > why your tracks from home are mediocore. You haven't heard my tracks from home. > I have heard many of these. > If you > want a high quality track, level all the EQ, no effects, and take it to a > studio to dump to a tape and go from there. A lot of delay and reverb gear > have a bad roll-off on the high end the longer you string it out. Lexicon > is better than it was, but still not full bandwidth. Jeepers ! How much bandwidth do you need ? > Also, I have heard of NO studio that uses a 'spring' type reverb. Well, they exist. > Most are a cavernous box of > plates that produce an increasing amount of reverb. Keep your springs in > your guitar amp! Have you ever heard a 'Great British Spring' unit ? Tasty ! > Yes, your Alesis is OK for home jobs, just don't take that > stuff to a pro and expect miracles! I've also seen pro studios using the Midiverb. > So the bottom line is; Ash is correct in his statement. And I haven't ever > heard his music! Well, I've spoken to Ash off-line. It's not quite so black-and-white. The bottom line is that it certainly IS possible to create a professional sound at home. However, it requires talent to write good music and talent to create good productions. The way technology is going, people who have lots of time but can't afford Pro-Tools can achieve very similar end results from Sound Forge. I know because I've used both systems extensively. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Anyone going to the Athens concert? Really-From: Peter Ravn Hi I will be attending the concert in Athens (May 31th) - if I can get tickets! Any one of you planing to join ? TD will play at the Lycabettus Hill - same place place as their famous 1984 show (see pictures in the US tourbook 1986 or Dream Roots Collection). Regards, Peter Ravn pr@d... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 9:06 am Subject: Re: Prince (was Marketing) Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... > > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >Hence, we in the US get Madonna and Prince. > > Hey! Thou shalt not defame Prince! Any artist who can sing about > incest and blowjobs and still thank God in the liners can't be all bad. > > Sexy M.F., > B. Kirby > > PS - Please insert the phrase 'and isn't a gangsta rapper' after the > word 'blowjobs' in my second sentence. Well all I can say is: You're a Prince, Brian. ;-) -- Mark (sounds heavenly to me) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 9:59 am Subject: Re: Oboy! Lotsa New TD to Listen to This Week! :) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Larry E Smith wrote: > > Steve Feldman wrote: > > o RUBY IN THE SKY CD-R (COEFFICIENT OF AURAL EXPANSION I and II) > > Tell me how you like CoAE II, I own the first but wonder about the > second. The second is as good as the first in every way. But the packaging is sparse to put it mildly. What I did was put the two together in a double CD case and use only the paperwork from the first. Nice. 'Ruby in the Sky?' Where'd you come up with that name Steve? > > o DANGER LIVE > > You bought this in the last two months? From where? I haven't found a > source in longer than that (since Ranjit sold out). Anyone? Anyone? > > > o LIVE IMPROVISED > > Same as above (though some say it's not that good - I'm still curious). It's excellent. I swear it's a soundboard recording because 1, the sound is so good, 2, the crowd noise is quite subdued (not indicative of an audience recording), and 3, at one point you can hear a mike being moved in that special way that only a direct connection gives you. It's also sold out, TTBOMK. 8-( > ... > > o STRUCTURES FROM SILENCE by Steve Roach > > My favorite SR. One of my favs, too. His new one, 'The Magnificent Void' is deliciously dark -- the aural equivalent of looking at a fur coat that's been frozen in a block of ice. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 10:28 am Subject: Re: Froese/Hendrix/Spice Girls Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: FONINFO@a... > > REMOVE ME Looks like someone got outta bed on the wrong side :( NP - 'Spice' by The Spice Girls ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ Girl Power ! /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3236 Re: Froese/Hendrix/Spice Girls Mark Filipak Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 10:38 am Subject: Re: d: Live Improvised-long post Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: feldon@n... > ... > Do we as TD fans have a problem with the 'Excerpts from Poland' CD > because it didn't represent the whole concert, or is it because they > chose Barbakane over Tangent? Neither a religious issue nor one of choise. Just that if you're going to buy a CD, why miss 'Tangent' at all? BTW, not to nitpick, but the album is titled 'Extracts from Poland.' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 11:07 am Subject: Re: Froese/Hendrix/Spice Girls Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > > Really-From: FONINFO@a... > > > > REMOVE ME > > Looks like someone got outta bed on the wrong side :( I tried to send this person my usual help file and got a rejection from AOL saying this person is refusing all email. Not the friendly type I guess. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:10 pm Subject: Re: Oboy! Lotsa New TD to Listen to This Week! :) Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-04-30 02:15:08 EDT, you write: << I'm on a tight budget (in part because of Ed's scam-a-thon, i.e. having to buy DREAM ROOTS, OASIS, MANDARIN CREAM, DAS MADCHEN AUF DER TREPPE and the Australian >> speaking of scam-a-thon, im suprised u didnt get the private music 'brick' with the 'free' poster offer.... tom w np: harris/bernocchi - overload lady, From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:13 pm Subject: Tadream digest V15 #905 Stuff... Really-From: Craig Shipley RE: Ranjit Completely legit. He can take a while to ship you your stuff (this is NOT a business for him, he holds down a full-time job and has a family, which can and do take priority at times). Be understanding and patient and the CD's will come. Maybe not today, but soon... RE: Mellotron There is a place (on the 'Net?) called The Mellotron Archives. Don't know what they are all about, but, they are offering a T-shirt with the Mellotron 'M' on the front for you (us) 'Tron freaks! It is through M &M Music that the shirt can be purchased. Found this out by checking out the Mastermind home page (killer US prog band, check 'em out!). 'Trons R00L, d00dz! (And they are regaining their popularity. Releases by Smashing Pumpkins, RHCP and a couple of other non-prog type bands are using the 'Tron. Not to mention all of the neo-prog bands like Porcupine Tree, Spocks' Beard that feature the 'Tron prominently!) RE: Mark Shreeve No known newsgroup or mailing list, but this guy uses rocket fuel to power his synths! Check out the excellent CRASH HEAD or the live release COLLIDE and prepare to peel yourself off the wall! (My sons love CRASH HEAD; hope for the younger generation, after all...). If you like RUBYCON, get his latest REDSHIFT; the rocket-fuel is gone, but the CD is very atmospheric. The extended 'heart-beat' section is a couple of minutes too long on 'Blueshift' but as I tape everything for the car, a little editing can help that...I would love to see his pre-ASSASSIN material released on CD (THOUGHTS OF WAR and the five or six cassettes. Ash, talk to the man, wouldya?) Which leads me to... RE: Ash Prema Just picked up a copy of his CD through Windspell Music. This is a good release! Haven't had time to give it a real good listen (rushing back and forth from the hospital, checking on the new baby ;-) ), but first impressions are a more energetic Tri Atma (due to the tablas) but without the pop-ishness that Tri Atma seemed to over-use. Guitar/guitar samples are a lot more snarly than TA, too, (this is a good thing!). Ash, nice one! RE: Crazy Eddie I picked up the reference right away and I never lived up near Baah-stawn/Noo York. Crazy Eddie was a 'cultural icon' in the '70's/'80's. Herr Froese does seem to be going more for the business side of things on the Continent, but I wish that these ltd. ed's ( ;-) ed's = Ed's, get it???) would have a little better/ cheaper distribution on this side of the Pond. obCDPlayer: TD / Live Miles (remastered). Damn, Crazy Eddie got me to buy a handful of the remastered stuff. Good thing they were cheap ($9.99 @ at Media Play).... Craig Shipley craigs@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: RUBY IN THE SKY, DANGER LIVE, LIVE IMPROV, STRUCTURES Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Oboy! Lotsa New TD to Listen to This Week! :) >Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 02:59:35 -0700 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >> Steve Feldman wrote: >> > o RUBY IN THE SKY CD-R (COEFFICIENT OF AURAL EXPANSION I and II) > >'Ruby in the Sky?' Where'd you come up with that name Steve? *I* didn't come up with it; that's what it's called. It's a 2-CD set that has full indexing on both discs. >> > o DANGER LIVE >> >> You bought this in the last two months? From where? I haven't found a >> source in longer than that (since Ranjit sold out). Anyone? Anyone? >> >> > o LIVE IMPROVISED >> >> Same as above (though some say it's not that good - I'm still curious). I bought them both from someone who was offering them for sale on *this list*! >> > o STRUCTURES FROM SILENCE by Steve Roach >> >> My favorite SR. > >One of my favs, too. [...] The one I got is on the Fortuna label, from 1985. Is this rare or is it the only version that ever came out? -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3251 Re: RUBY IN THE SKY, DANGER LIVE, LIVE IMPROV, ST Brian_Kirby@p... Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:27 pm Subject: Re: Scam????? Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) I've done business with Ranjit on several occasions and have never had a problem. His mail-order business is not his full-time job, although it can take up much of his time, so perhaps he's currently a bit tied up at his full-time job. E-mail him with your concerns. I'm sure that he will respond. Regards, Erik Sanborn >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > >Was just wondering if Ranjit Padmanabhan was legit. I ordered a few tangerine >Dream cd's from him a few weeks ago and never recieved them. I'm starting to >get worried. If someone has ordered from him also, let me know if it is >legit. Thanks. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:34 pm Subject: WEIRD LAWS 7 Really-From: Michael A Jean Seattle, WASHINGTON: It is illegal to carry a slingshot without a special permit while attending any sort of musical event. Cleveland, OHIO: The carrying of concealed weapons by any musician is forbidden, unless same are clearly exhibited to public view. Newark, NEW JERSEY: No person is allowed to particpate in any musical event while wearing a device or thing attached to the head, hair, headgear, or hat, which device or thing is capable of lacerating the flesh of any other person with whom it may come into contact and which is not sufficiently guarded against the possibilty. Wichita, KANSAS: Any person who shall use or carry, concealed or unconcealed, any bean snapper or like article while attending a concert hall shall, upon conviction, be fined. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3254 Re: WEIRD LAWS 7 PNaunton@a... Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3294 Re: WEIRD LAWS 7 Francisco Salgado C. Thu 5/1/1997 2 KB 3343 Re: WEIRD LAWS 7 GrafZeigen@a... Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3435 Re: WEIRD LAWS 7 PNaunton@a... Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:37 pm Subject: Baumann and Private Music Really-From: Michael A Jean PB was involved in some capacity in almost every pre-90 PM release... If I recall, he even had production credits on an early NONA Hendryx album called FEMALE TROUBLE. NONA is one of the vocalists popping up on the HASLINGER albums now... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: LOGOS TYPE Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi All, I listened to LOGOS TYPE last night. Feh. It's mostly the same stuff that's on the CROYDON 1982 tape I've got, but with not nearly as good sound quality. I mean, you can hear the tape hiss loud and clear on LOGOS TYPE! :( I do admit that it's nice to have this KEEP-esque material on CD(-R) rather than cassette tape, but . . . when I pay the sort of money that such stuff costs I expect a little more in the sound quality dept. Ah well. It's not like it's outright bad; if I didn't have CROYDON 1982, I'd probably be in ecstacy, now. So, for those who like SORCERER, LOGOS, THE PARK IS MINE, and THE KEEP--buy this (unless someone puts CROYDON 1982 on tape, that is). -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3281 Re: LOGOS TYPE Jim Moore Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:39 pm Subject: JMJ Really-From: Michael A Jean Apparently JMJ's OXYGENE 7-13 is due for release in the US soon... I just picked up a CD single with 7 versions of OXYGENE 8...Two are pretty cool, but the rest are so so... Can anyone suggest a TD tune that we would want 7 different mixes of???? MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3293 Re: JMJ Francisco Salgado C. Thu 5/1/1997 2 KB 3302 Re: JMJ Larry E Smith Thu 5/1/1997 2 KB 3318 Re: JMJ Gabe Yedid Thu 5/1/1997 3 KB 3329 Re: JMJ Claude Roy Thu 5/1/1997 3 KB 3344 Re: JMJ GrafZeigen@a... Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3431 Re: JMJ Mark Jones Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 3448 Re: JMJ gary.cresswell1@v... Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 15120 JMJ Lawry Simm Mon 6/29/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:48 pm Subject: Quinoa - where do I send the check? Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Re: the Quinoa discs: I missed some of the digests, so I lost the information needed: just WHERE do I send the check? Where do I contact the man in charge? Can I pay in U.S. dollars? Is this a hoax or not (I'm willing to take the risk...) S&H is included in the 15 pounds or we need something extra? Does Clinton suck? Etcetera. That's about it. Thanks. And, Lars, you WILL pay for the Ultime Thule joke. -- MIGUEL FARAH \ GCS/O d-(pu) s++:+>++: a26 C++ UL+U+>L++++ mfarah@p... / P+ L>++ E--- W++ N+++ o+ K+++ w--(+) !O M- miguel@w... \ V-- PS+(-) PE++ Y+ PGP-(+) t++@ 5++ X- R http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel / tv(+) b+ DI+ D++ G++++ e+(*) h!>++ r-- y? #include <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3269 Re: Quinoa - where do I send the check? anunes@m... Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:43 pm Subject: JAZZ etc Really-From: Michael A Jean I'm doing some Spring cleaning... Anyone looking for a bunch of mid-80s jazz tapes (some new age) (OPTIMISM, PASSPORT, ECM labels) stuff at low prices ($2) should contact me off list. I don't have a list put together, but you can send wish lists to me... MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3270 Re: JAZZ etc TWeibre361@a... Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:55 pm Subject: Re: Crazy Eddie & Edgar - From the Old Norse - Krasa - To shatter. Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-29 13:44:31 EDT, you write: << You forgot the part where Crazy Eddie's went out of business amid the jailings and enormous securities fraud violations, the millions stashed in that bank in Israel, etc. $21 for a 20-minute CD is pretty harsh, yes, but to compare Edgar and Crazy Eddie as similar is to insinuate that Edgar is a Thief doing some Risky Business. :) Cheers. The Mummy (who recently returned to the list after a long absence) >> The rumor I heard, is that Crazy Eddie made _all_ of his money, not on selling, but on cash floatation. He invested money he got from customers prior to shipping cheap merchandise ( usually two weeks or more ). This would give him a month or more before he had to pay his bills, if he did that on time. Sounds like a really neat plan. . . . . . . . . except it's highly illegal. Er. Isn't it? I thought it all began to unravel when he lost control of his 'house of cards'. Some minor minion was left in charge and 'didn't follow proceedure.' Wasn't that it? * * * * * I kind of liked the 'Crazy Eddie' name as applied to EF. Not necessarily because of the association with the real Crazy Eddie, which seems inappropriate if not defamatory, but because much of what Froese does appear out of left field, at least at the time, as far as the band's development is concerned. For example; the abrupt changes in the bands direction, the addition of the Saxaphone as a lead instrument, the sudden exit of that instrument, the sudden addition and loss of almost everybody who has ever had anything to do with the band, EF's comments on what on happening next which don't appear to be based on cognitive process - for example: prior to 'Goblins' Club' he announced that this album would demonstrate a bold new direction for the band that most fans would not like, but instead it just seemed like more of the same meandering we had seen in the last several years. He also mentioned that GC would be improvisation based, which I just don't see. Mind you, I don't at all see these elements as being negative, merely inconsistent. Virtually everything has moved the band forward in one way or another, if somewhat pecularly, surprisingly, and, yes, crazily. So, for me at least, the moniker 'Crazy Eddie' has a lovable connotation. The man's mystique is a major, if not the singular, cornerstone in the personality of Tangerine Dream. I can't wait to see what is around the next bend in the road. What will it be, folks? Maybe EF will hire an African Bushman to assist in 'mouth percussion', while pulling in someone else to play the standup bass. Maybe EF will begin doing music for Nintendo Gameboy Video Games. Maybe EF will 'Tangentize' The music performances of Sir Thomas Beecham. Whatever it is, I sure it will be controversial. Phil N. ('Still crazy, after all these years.' Paul Simon (I think.) ) Spinning at the moment - - Pat Metheny Group 'Quartet' - - talk about changes in directions!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:57 pm Subject: CF's signature sound? Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.' I've been a CF fan for no more than a year (I got to know him via Babylon 5), and I'm kind of surprised/pleased by this 'signature sound'. Pretty good idea, me thinks. I'd like to know one thing about this: when did he begin 'signing' like this? I've heard the sound as far back as 'Logos' (alas, I don't have most of the older albums). But was it a signature by that time, or he decided later to use it as such? -- MIGUEL FARAH \ GCS/O d-(pu) s++:+>++: a26 C++ UL+U+>L++++ mfarah@p... / P+ L>++ E--- W++ N+++ o+ K+++ w--(+) !O M- miguel@w... \ V-- PS+(-) PE++ Y+ PGP-(+) t++@ 5++ X- R http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel / tv(+) b+ DI+ D++ G++++ e+(*) h!>++ r-- y? #include <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3277 Re: CF's signature sound? Mark Filipak Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3387 Re: CF's signature sound? Dennis Nigbur Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3411 Re: CF's signature sound? Dennis Nigbur Sat 5/3/1997 3 KB 3413 Re: CF's signature sound? ajogon@m... Sat 5/3/1997 2 KB 3476 Re: CF's signature sound? PNaunton@a... Sun 5/4/1997 3 KB 3594 Re: CF's signature sound? Dennis Nigbur Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 2:25 pm Subject: Re: QUINOA, 'Crazy Eddie,' and VoicePrint Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-30 02:52:46 EDT, you write: << (TANGENTS, BOOK OF DREAMS/DREAMROOTS, and BEYOND THE >STORM). What with Miramar putting out THE BRICK, that's almost all of >TD, not counting the Private Music stuff. One wonders how well these things sell. I'm surprised that they sell enough to justify putting out more! Scott >> Let's take a poll. Who, on this list, has one or more of these above? I have 'Beyond The Storm' only. I was just playing it the other day, but that is all. My last, and only TD compilation was 'Dream Sequence' back in '85. Phil N. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3256 Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...) dbrewer@a... Wed 4/30/1997 3 KB 3258 Phil's Poll Sean Montgomery Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 2:49 pm Subject: Arrived today!! Really-From: PNaunton@a... My copy of Ultima Thule just arrived Fed-Ex from Germany. Great packaging. It looks mint. Looks a little short, but what the hell. Free's free! I'll let you know how it sounds tomorrow.* Phil Naunton * ' Keep on playing those mind games. . . .' John Lennon Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3279 Re: Arrived today!! TangerineC@a... Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 2:19 pm Subject: Re: RUBY IN THE SKY, DANGER LIVE, LIVE IMPROV, STRUCTURES Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: Steven Feldman >> > o STRUCTURES FROM SILENCE by Steve Roach >> >> My favorite SR. > >One of my favs, too. [...] > The one I got is on the Fortuna label, from 1985. Is this rare >or is it the only version that ever came out? It's the only version. You should definitely check out 'Dreamtime Return,' if you haven't already. And 'World's Edge'. And the follow-up to 'Western Spaces' (the title escapes me at the moment). Steve Roach fan, B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 2:56 pm Subject: Yes Ranjit/ProgTron is legit -- he's absolutely not a scam Really-From: 'Dave Lane' I've been using his services for at least 7 years. Since his business is just a hobby, sometimes he just gets bogged down in his real job and it might take a few weeks to get your merchandise. Just this morning I noticed he's put up a New Releases list with a few items that I require... --Dave From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 9:45 am Subject: Re: d: Live Improvised-long post Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 03:19 AM 4/30/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: feldon@n... > > >Holding a borrowed copy of Live Improvised in my hands, I can state that I >understand why TD did not release a live album until 1977. Technically, the [.....] >In short, it's not worth $40 or $50 IMVHO. Also, (and I know I'm going to [....] Accurate description, but as to the worth of it....it's mainly in the eye (ear?) of the beholder. Isn't it always? I can easily justify 50 bucks for 'Live' but NOT $21 on Quinoa, unless you are a completist. >ignite a flamewar considering the negative reactions to Edgar's remixes and >edits) I think it would be interesting if there were a 'Suite from Live! >Improvised!' with the aforementioned parts all blended into each other into >one 26 minute track. I have the equipment to do this so you never know. > >In the meantime though, I am hard at work with making a 2CD of the entire >Harrogate 1986 concert with some extra encores/tracks from other concerts. >More details to come. Please don't ask for a tracklist as of yet. > >Morgan >feldon@n... Now you are talking in a very interesting tone of voice that we all understand. Beware, though, that if I don't have the opportunity to obtain a copy of your finished product, we have ways of dealing with people like you (said with the voice of Sargent Schulz in 'Hogan's Heroes,' or was that before your time). :-) :-) Remember who your friends are. A FRIEND. :-) :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 2:49 pm Subject: Re: WEIRD LAWS 7 Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-30 09:57:48 EDT, you write: << Wichita, KANSAS: Any person who shall use or carry, concealed or unconcealed, any bean snapper or like article while attending a concert hall shall, upon conviction, be fined. >> And, what, the devil, is a bean snapper? For that matter, why would someone be inclined to use a bean snapper in a concert hall? Damn, I've misplaced my new edition of the Farmers' Almanac! Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 9:32 am Subject: Re: Scam????? Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 01:16 PM 4/29/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > >Was just wondering if Ranjit Padmanabhan was legit. I ordered a few tangerine >Dream cd's from him a few weeks ago and never recieved them. I'm starting to >get worried. If someone has ordered from him also, let me know if it is >legit. Thanks. > Ranjit is UTTERLY reliable and a perfect gentleman. Been in the business for MANY years and is well-known to us long-time collectors. Frequently, you can get stuff from him (here in the US) when all other sources fail. He functions on a schedule that indicates the fact that he has a real, day-time job and this, helping us get 'unusual' music, is his hobby. Since he goes to the post office no more than once a week (usually on Thursdays) the turn-around may take a few weeks, but the stuff always arrives. If he runs out of your intended purchase he will issue you credit. Personally, I have spent SEVERAL hundred dollars with him. Never disappointed! Not once. Just have a bit of patience. You could not be in better hands. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 3:27 pm Subject: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...) Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-04-30 02:52:46 EDT, you write: > > << (TANGENTS, BOOK OF DREAMS/DREAMROOTS, and BEYOND THE > >STORM). What with Miramar putting out THE BRICK, that's almost all of > >TD, not counting the Private Music stuff. > > Let's take a poll. Who, on this list, has one or more of these > above? I have 'Beyond The Storm' only. I was just playing it the other day, > but that is all. My last, and only TD compilation was 'Dream Sequence' back > in '85. > I've got Tangents, DRC and BTS. And I enjoy them all. I also have the Private Music comp, but I think it's worthless (the bonus tracks are kinda nice, tho). Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 3:37 pm Subject: Re: d: Live Improvised-long post Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > Remember who your friends are. > > A FRIEND. :-) :-) > > Andrew You know, I hate to ask, but are 'friends' electric ? Grooooooooooaaannn. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3286 Re: d: Live Improvised-long post Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 5/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 3:41 pm Subject: Phil's Poll Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Let's take a poll. Who, on this list, has one or more of these > above? I have 'Beyond The Storm' only. I was just playing it the other day, > but that is all. My last, and only TD compilation was 'Dream Sequence' back > in '85. I have Dream Sequence, which I still listen to occasionally (especially Disc Two), Tangents, Dream Roots, BtS and the Private Music Collection. There is no way I'll ever buy The Brick though! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'There is no gravity...the planet sucks' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 4:09 pm Subject: Re: QUINOA, 'Crazy Eddie,' and VoicePrint Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' ><< (TANGENTS, BOOK OF DREAMS/DREAMROOTS, and BEYOND THE > >STORM). What with Miramar putting out THE BRICK, that's almost all of > >TD, not counting the Private Music stuff. > One wonders how well these things sell. I'm surprised that they sell > enough to justify putting out more! > Let's take a poll. Who, on this list, has one or more of these >above? I have 'Beyond The Storm' only. I was just playing it the other day, >but that is all. My last, and only TD compilation was 'Dream Sequence' back >in '85. The only one I have is 'In the Beginning' on LP. I already had the first four, but wanted Green Desert so I bought the whole thing. I may get 'Private Music of. . .' since it appears to have some unreleased tracks on it. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 4:35 pm Subject: ORB and Dream Roots Collection Really-From: Gary Struhlik Today I was going to purchase 'The Dream Roots Collection' here in Berlin (Germany). Yes, I haven't it yet. I think it is a must have for an 'old TD fan' especially because of the quality and because of the new tracks on disk 5 which were published first time. Disk 5 contains very good tracks of TDs older style. The price was 69,- DM (about $40 US). When I was searching for the 5 Disk Box I discoverd the CD 'Remixed By The ORB' (Towards The Evening Star) for 14,99 DM (about $8.8 US). But my opinion is, 'ORB' is not a must have. The first track sounds very strange, I think. The second track is the same 'Towards The Evening Star' like the original version on the europe album 'Goblins Club'. The label is 'WHEN!(WENX1022)' under exclusive license to castle communications plc (P)(C) 1997, Made in england. My favorite is now 'OASIS'. I hope TD will continue this style. Gary S. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 12:36 am Subject: Re: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...) Really-From: anunes@m... I have only 'Beyond the Storm'. Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3323 Re: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...) Erik Sanborn Thu 5/1/1997 4 KB 3328 Re: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...) Greg Heil Thu 5/1/1997 2 KB 3364 Re: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...) GrafZeigen@a... Fri 5/2/1997 3 KB 3379 Re: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...) feldon@n... Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3385 Re: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...) feldon@n... Fri 5/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 2:59 pm Subject: Really-From: 'oncica bogdan' 1.Has anyone tried to zip the files contained by the MS Internet Explorer 3.0 'cache' directory ? 2.Can somebody tell me if the tadream daily digest consists of one single file or a 'bunch' ? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3265 Re: anunes@m... Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3671 Maurice G. Lafleur Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB 4295 ashok prema Wed 5/28/1997 5 KB 4303 Jay Dawes Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB 4705 Armin Theissen Fri 6/6/1997 2 KB 4726 Re: Marcel Engels Fri 6/6/1997 3 KB 4759 Klaus Beschorner Sun 6/8/1997 2 KB 5556 ashok prema Tue 7/1/1997 5 KB 5561 Re: Marcel Engels Tue 7/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 3:06 pm Subject: Re: Hello! Really-From: 'oncica bogdan' I would like the TD introduction too ! Thanks, Bogdan (sidexspr@e...) ---------- From: tadream mailing list To: tadream@c... Subject: Re: Hello! Date: miercuri, aprilie 09, 1997 10:58 Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > > Hi everybody! Hi Alexander. Welcome! > As a big fan of Jean-Michel Jarre ... Which JMJ albums do you especially like? This will help us help you. > Underwater Sunlight was ok ... > Goblins Club was a bit disapointing ... > Alpha Centauri ... seems like rather difficult music ... Sounds like you're going to fit right in! > Do you have other suggestions of «classics» that would be a nice > introduction into the world of Tangerine Dream? I personally prefer any of the albums from 78 to 84: Force Majeure, Pergamon, Tangram, Exit, White Eagle, Logos, Hyperborea, Poland, plus almost all of the others. I have an Introduction to TD I could send you. I'm doing a major rewrite but if you don't mind the mess, you may find some worth in it. Let me know if you want me to send it to you. Regards and enjoy the show! -- Mark ---------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3278 Re: Hello! TangerineC@a... Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: new TD compilation Really-From: 'Roger Smith' Hi Everyone, I just received a new TD compilation CDR entitled 'Singles and Other Songs,' which I like very much. Here is the track listing: Quasar One Night in Medina I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You Das Madchen auf der Treppe Katja Eleanor Rigby Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal Alexander Square (long version) House of the Rising Sun Canyon Carver Canyon Voices Lost Tale Vermillion Sands Time Steps Galago Question: does anyone know where the last track 'Galago' comes from? I haven't heard it before; perhaps I'm mistaken, but it doesn't appear on any of the discographies that I have seen. It sounds very Schmoelling-like to me. Roger Smith Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3266 Re: new TD compilation dbrewer@a... Wed 4/30/1997 3 KB 3268 Re: new TD compilation Vincent Goudreault Wed 4/30/1997 3 KB 3271 Re: new TD compilation Vic Rek Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3272 Re: new TD compilation Brian Frick Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB 3301 Re: new TD compilation Larry E Smith Thu 5/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:38 am Subject: Re: Really-From: anunes@m... 'oncica bogdan' wrote: > >2.Can somebody tell me if the tadream daily digest consists of one = >single file or a 'bunch' ? It's one single file. Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 5:49 pm Subject: Re: new TD compilation Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: 'Roger Smith' > > I just received a new TD compilation CDR entitled 'Singles and Other > Songs,' which I like very much. [...] > Question: does anyone know where the last track 'Galago' comes from? > I haven't heard it before; perhaps I'm mistaken, but it doesn't appear > on any of the discographies that I have seen. > It sounds very Schmoelling-like to me. > It's a Schmoelling solo track that was featured on the second KLEM CD. (very perceptive of you! :-) ) I look forward to getting my copy of this (Singles and other Songs) disc. (cantwaitcantwait!!) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 12:47 pm Subject: NEWS RELEASE! FLASH! FLASH! Really-From: Michael Fox Rueters;London---The bloodied corpse of Lars Jones was found in his flat this morning, covered by a poster from the band Tangerene Dream. Cause of death was undetermined at press time, however his arse was full of what appeared to be pieces of vinyl--possibly from 7' records. No suspects are known and neighbours are unaware of any suspicious persons. Said one, 'he seemed like a nice bloke--played a lot of strange music, though'. -------30------- This release dedicated to all those who got sweaty palms for a few moments-- Lars: u is a funny man! Mike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3273 Re: NEWS RELEASE! FLASH! FLASH! dbrewer@a... Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 5:58 pm Subject: Re: new TD compilation Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Apr 30, 1:06pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: new TD compilation > Really-From: 'Roger Smith' > (...) > > Question: does anyone know where the last track 'Galago' comes from? Galago is a track that was put together for the 1993 KLEM CD, and it is not a Tangerine Dream track, it is a solo effort by Schmoelling, if I am not mistaken. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:54 am Subject: Re: Quinoa - where do I send the check? Really-From: anunes@m... 'Miguel Farah F.' wrote: >Re: the Quinoa discs: I missed some of the digests, so I lost the >information needed: just WHERE do I send the check? Where do I contact >the man in charge? Can I pay in U.S. dollars? Is this a hoax or not (I'm >willing to take the risk...) S&H is included in the 15 pounds or we need >something extra? Does Clinton suck? Etcetera. You'd better contact Voiceprint. They have a Web address: http://vprint.demon.co.uk/tadream/index.htm an e-mail address: Rob@v... a 'physical' address: PO Box 50 Houghton-le-Spring Tyne and Wear DH4 5YP England a couple of tel. numbers: 44 191 512 1103 freephone UK 0500 829 262 freephone USA 1 800 567 9185 and a Fax number: 44 191 512 1104 With all of these addresses, I think they are reliable. BTW, I ordered them the QUINOA CD via Fax, 5 days ago. Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 6:20 pm Subject: Re: JAZZ etc Really-From: TWeibre361@a... what ecm stuff do u have? thanks, tom w From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 6:19 pm Subject: Re: new TD compilation Really-From: Vic Rek > Question: does anyone know where the last track 'Galago' comes from? > > I haven't heard it before; perhaps I'm mistaken, but it doesn't appear > on any of the discographies that I have seen. > > It sounds very Schmoelling-like to me. > Yes, it is Johannes Schmoelling and can be found on the KLEM 2 CD. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 6:27 pm Subject: Re: new TD compilation Really-From: Brian Frick tadream mailing list wrote: > > Quoted From: 'Roger Smith' > > > > I just received a new TD compilation CDR entitled 'Singles and Other > > Songs,' which I like very much. How available is that CD-R? -- Later! -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 6:26 pm Subject: Re: NEWS RELEASE! FLASH! FLASH! Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Michael Fox > > > This release dedicated to all those who got sweaty palms for a few moments-- > ROTFLOL!! That was great Mike! It's just what I needed. Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Timesteps (Franke), Galago (Schmoelling) & Some New Flamebait Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: new TD compilation >Date: Wed, 30 Apr 97 13:06:46 -0500 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: 'Roger Smith' > > Question: does anyone know where the last track 'Galago' comes from? > > I haven't heard it before; perhaps I'm mistaken, but it doesn't appear > on any of the discographies that I have seen. The tracks 'Timesteps' and 'Galago' are both on the KLEM 1993 CD. 'Timesteps' was a rough mix of part of Chris Franke's first BABLYON 5 soundtrack, and as such, makes this KLEM CD a collectible for hardcore B5 fans. 'Galago' is a rough mix of a track off Johannes Schmoelling's SONGS--NO WORDS album. By rough mix, I mean alternate take or pre- album version or something along those lines. When news about this CD-R was first posted, I, too, didn't know where the tracks were from because even though I have the KLEM 1993 CD, I hadn't played it for a few months (I like the Michel Huygen, Patrick Kosmos and Suzanne Ciani tracks more than those of the TD alumni), and certainly didn't remember those song titles because the Franke and Schmoelling tracks aren't my faves on the CD. What, you say? Heresy? Hey, flame me. See what *I* care! Hey, and I prefer Patrick Kosmos to Klaus Schulze. Is that a crime? (As Mark Filipak would say, 'Asbestos suit on!') -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3303 Re: Timesteps (Franke), Galago (Schmoelling) & So Larry E Smith Thu 5/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 7:01 pm Subject: A Few Rare Items to Share Really-From: Vic Rek Well, I just got a few TD and related goodies in. I thought I'd share a few of them with ya'll (Southern for you all - everybody). E. Froese - Ages 2 LPs Japanese E. Froese - Aqua LP Japanese E. Froese - Pinnacles LP German T. Dream - Alpha Centauri LP Japanese White label promo T. Dream - Tangram LP German with 'wintery' tangram sleeve T. Dream - Lily on the Beach LP mispressing without 'Long Island Sunset' AND K. Schulze related: Code III 'Planet of Man' - released on the German label Membran in 1974. Klaus plays drums on one track. Quite interesting! I may be willing to trade some of these items ONLY for items from my want list. So if you are interested, please e-mail me privately for the list. Thanks, Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3388 Re: A Few Rare Items to Share Dennis Nigbur Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 8:23 pm Subject: TD on radio ffn 'Grenzwellen' Really-From: 'Ecki Stieg' The 'Grenzwellen' on radio ffn (Hannover, Germany) are a radioshow which exists for more than 10 years now and that is focused on everything that´s electronic and avantgarde music from TD to Front 242 and back Since April 1996 'grenzwellen' have a homepage, too. Unfortunately it is only in german language, but you can find a lot of TD and similar artists. The page changes every week (for it is a weekly show!) but you can find details in the 'archiv' Just got to: www.radioffn.de/wellen. Then got to the button 'archiv' and then into 'suchen' (search): Type in any name you like and you get the list of songs I`ve played and the reviews and interviews! Currently on view ist the 'grenzwellen'-show of April, 30th 1997. Just go to 'moderation' and watch the hour from 23.00 - 23.-30. It´`s all about TD and reviews of 'Oasis' and 'Dream Roots Collection' You´re reactions and comments are welcome! Ecki Stieg (radio ffn, 'Grenzwellen!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3280 Re: TD on radio ffn 'Grenzwellen' Jens Peschke Wed 4/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 7:39 pm Subject: Re: CF's signature sound? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.' > > I've been a CF fan for no more than a year (I got to know him via > Babylon 5), and I'm kind of surprised/pleased by this 'signature > sound'. Pretty good idea, me thinks. > > I'd like to know one thing about this: when did he begin 'signing' like > this? I've heard the sound as far back as 'Logos' (alas, I don't have > most of the older albums). But was it a signature by that time, or he > decided later to use it as such? CF's 'signature sound'? What's that? Care to explain this a little? -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 9:10 pm Subject: Re: Hello! Really-From: TangerineC@a... You want a Td introduction? Well, o.k. Here it goes.... Hi, how are 'ya? :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 9:13 pm Subject: Re: Arrived today!! Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-04-30 12:45:11 EDT, you write: >My copy of Ultima Thule just arrived Fed-Ex from Germany. Great >packaging. It looks mint. Looks a little short, but what the hell. Free's >free! I'll let you know how it sounds tomorrow.* HUH??????? More info!!!!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 8:53 pm Subject: Re: TD on radio ffn 'Grenzwellen' Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: 'Ecki Stieg' [...] > Since April 1996 'grenzwellen' have a homepage, too. Unfortunately it > is only in german language, but you can find a lot of TD and >similar artists. The page changes every week (for it is a weekly >show!) but you can find details in the 'archiv' >Just got to: www.radioffn.de/wellen. Then got to the button 'archiv' >and then into 'suchen' (search): Type in any name you like and you > get the list of songs I`ve played and the reviews and interviews! [....] > Ecki Stieg (radio ffn, 'Grenzwellen!) ---------- I just read the reviews. They are interesting for those you know the german language. But AFAIK most of the list wouldn´t understand your reviews and interviews. It´ll be nice if english translations are accessible soon :-) And one more idea: the next time TD is live in Hanover you can try to broadcast it live on ffn. Copies of that broadcast will be send to our friends outside germany :) Bye , Ecki (mach weiter so!) greatings from Hanover Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 9:43 pm Subject: RE: LOGOS TYPE Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: Steven Feldman > I listened to LOGOS TYPE last night. Feh. It's mostly the same >stuff that's on the CROYDON 1982 tape I've got, but with not nearly as >good sound quality. ... So, for those who >like SORCERER, LOGOS, THE PARK IS MINE, and THE KEEP--buy this (unless >someone puts CROYDON 1982 on tape, that is). O.K. Having LOGOS, DREAMING, RATIKON, and 3-TIER DREAM, just what am I missing material-wise from LOGOS TYPE? You'd think that across those 4 albums, you'd have the entire 1982 concert track list... 'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 10:11 pm Subject: Re: Phil's Poll Really-From: 'K.E' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 2:59 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #905 Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' Hello Peoples, There is a interview/article on TD in the latest issue of Seconds. Bjork is on the cover. Goodnight, Maxwell P.S. There is a picture of Edgar, and he's smiling... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 3:21 am Subject: Tangram vs. Pergamon/Quichotte Really-From: feldon@n... I have Pergamon in the CD player just finishing track one. I don't want to jump the gun and immediately say that I like it better than Tangram, because a few more listens might change that, but I do like it very much. I can say that it *seems* to be much more atmospheric than Tangram. Especially the echoing voices and thick scary organ at the end of track one. I've been transported! Now that I've just switched over to track 2, I've got a question: During this concert, was there any time break between tracks one and two? Or is this the same kind of fade that was used on Poland between 'Poland' and 'Tangent' to fit it onto two sides of an LP? I love the atmospheric stuff on the beginning of track 2. More to come after I've heard the whole disc... Morgan feldon@n... P.S. This is the actual recording of the concert right? Or did I get the wrong disc, the remixed/studio-ified version? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3345 Re: Tangram vs. Pergamon/Quichotte Hermes Guzman Fri 5/2/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 3:11 am Subject: Phil's Poll Really-From: Mark Filipak I have only 'Beyond the Storm' but I don't consider it a compilation. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 12:23 am Subject: Re: d: Live Improvised-long post Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 04:37 PM 4/30/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > >> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> >> Remember who your friends are. >> >> A FRIEND. :-) :-) >> >> Andrew > >You know, I hate to ask, but are 'friends' electric ? > > > >Grooooooooooaaannn. Now THAT's bad..... why do we enjoy bad things so? :-) :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 8:23 am Subject: Re: Phil's Poll Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 5:35 pm Subject: Promo CDs Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Guys, I have a Promo CD of JMJ's Oxygene 7-13. In general, what is the difference between Promo and 'normal' CDs and is there any way of spotting the difference? Are they more valuable that general CDs and, if so, why? Thanks, --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3310 Re: Promo CDs Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 5/1/1997 3 KB 3311 Re: Promo CDs Craig R. J. Cordrey Thu 5/1/1997 3 KB 3341 Re: Promo CDs Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 5/2/1997 4 KB 3314 Re: Promo CDs Grant Middleton Thu 5/1/1997 3 KB 3322 Re: Promo CDs Michael Fox Thu 5/1/1997 3 KB 3357 Re: Promo CDs Craig R. J. Cordrey Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 5:46 pm Subject: Re: Phil's Poll Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' I own : Tangents : a must have, even if the new material is only so-so. Dream Roots Collection : another must have, where the new material is better than Tangets' new material. >From Dawn Til Dusk : not a must have - nothng new, nothing remixed, for completists only (the first CD comp I bought, some years ago now - I was young and impressionable!) I would consider buying : Dream Sequence : I have this on LP and might buy it on CD if I saw it cheap enough - arguably the best collection of TD tracks, even if they're not remixed. Private Music of TD : don't have a comp of this period, and there are two new tracks I will not buy : Book of Dreams : are the tracks on this the same as on DRC, or are they different remixes (answer may move BoD up to consider buying)? The Collection : nothing new, no nice packaging and not my favourite period of TD music. The Brick : nothing new and perhaps the most blatant cash-in on the current TD-appeal NP : Shepherds Bush - TD --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 10:53 am Subject: Re: Phil's Poll Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > I own : > > Tangents : a must have, even if the new material is only > so-so. I disagree. I think Crazie Eddie butchered the old stuff. The 'liner notes' are also full of errors. > Dream Sequence : I have this on LP and might buy it on CD > if I saw it cheap enough - arguably the best collection of > TD tracks, even if they're not remixed. Absolutely the best intro to TD. > I will not buy : > > The Collection : nothing new, no nice packaging and not my > favourite period of TD music. I think it's better than having all of EM, AC, Zeit, GD and Atem. IMHO it contains the highlights of those discs. I quite often play it when I feel the need for totally off-world music. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 11:07 am Subject: quinoa Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I just spoke to Simon Hart at Voiceprint this morning; he is working through the Quinoa orders now and tells me they should be going out today or tomorrow!!! So keep your eyes peeled. Lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 7:05 pm Subject: D: Oasis Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' *** Standard Disclaimer Applies : All My Own Opinion *** I hesitate to provide this, apparently the first discussion of Oasis in its dedicated discussion week, but I suppose someone has to. I know that only a limited number of people have this so far, and I wouldn't want anyone to base their decision of whether to get this or not on this one post. However, I should start by warning that this is not as glowing a report as others seem to have given this new CD. Almost a week ago, I posted that a change was needed in TD, and Hilmar suggested that that change arrived with Oasis. Well, I'm afraid I can't see that change - at least, not a forward step, perhaps a backward step? Flashflood (4AS) : This sounds like an outcast from Dream Mixes - not quite so 'thumpy', but it has the same repeating piano chords and swirling channel effects (and high-quality production) of many tracks from that fine album. As you can see from the score, this is no bad thing, and this seems like a fine opener to the album. Zion (4AS) : The intro to this sounds too much like one of those new fade-ins used on Tangents for my liking, but it soon gets going. The drum beat is more reminiscent of some Private material than Jerome's recent attempts and the wabling (sequencer?) line that jumps all over it is a reminded of days some time ago. Reflections (2AS) : This sounds like something off of Froese's Beyond the Storm or mybe Zoning, and is backed with that incessant bloody chords that, as I said before, make it sound like a Tangents update of something. I would say this is the first real 'soundtrack' piece on the album - it doesn't really hit me as a standalone track. Either because of that and possibly some instrumentation, it reminds me of Canyon Dreams. Cliff Dwellers (2AS) : This is very 'Melrose'-esque, and again is quite 'soundtrack'-esque, although more because I can see things with this, than because it lacks something. A lot of the instrumentation here suggests it belongs back in the Melrose/Rockoon days and possibly adds fule to my comments later. Waterborne (4AS) : As has been mentioned on the list before, this was the opener for the '92 North American tour. In this incarnation, it still maintains much of the sounds of that period and so is possibly a pretty good representation of the original. It has that pounding drumming which smashes all over 220Volt Live, along with some of the sequencer lines (or similar) that were prominent in the non-sax tracks. Cedar Breaks (1AS) : Possibly the worst TD track ever! This really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really sucks!!!! I hate it! I want to physically cut it out of the disc! Awful! Summer Storm (3AS) : This one is a cross between Rockoon (feelings of Touchwood in there) and perhaps Turn of the Tides. This does have Peruvian pan-pipes as the 'guest' instrument - perhaps an indication for the future? Anyone remember Incantation? This doesn't really do very much, but is quite charming. Hopi Mesa Heart (2AS) : A very abstract start to the final track, perhaps being closely linked to the visuals (which I have not seen). Very slow, with no discernable melody. As with som of these tracks, t is perhaps best with visuals as accompanyment. This gives a rather lowly 2.75AS which I can happily 'upgrade' to a 3AS. So, Hilmar, you really believe this is the way forward? I think this has more in common with Rockoon that Goblin's Club, perhaps because, as far as I'm concerned, most of the tracks must have been written and even recorded around that time. Now, why it would subsequently say that they were recorded last year is a bit of a surprise to me. Did Edgar decide to get the old (i.e. early '90's) gear out and use it for this? No, I didn't think so either. And we know for a fact that at least 1 track was written pre-1993 since Waterborne was the opener for the 1992 North American tour. If we assume that the others are from around the same time (as I think was suggested by some-one when I raised the question of Waterborne some time ago) then I think what we have here is another Tangentized collection of tracks. That would explain why there's so much Tangents-like intros and outros. This does not make the album bad (it's also not fantastic). But to call this a new direction? C'mon, that was just new-CD-excitement-itis, wasn't it? That feeling where a new CD appears and you just know it's going to be the best thing for years? So, I stand by my original post. If anything, this collection of old tracks merely adds fuel to my request for Edgar to change the line-up. And since I'm lining myself up for some serious flames, I'll add one more comment. Even if Emil does become the new full-time member, how much input can a drummer have? I would echo previous comments which suggested that if this is his only instrument his input is likely to be limited. Be gentle with me? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3434 Re: D: Oasis PNaunton@a... Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 3469 Re: D: Oasis TangerineC@a... Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 4918 D: Oasis Dennis Nigbur Wed 6/11/1997 6 KB 4956 Re: D: Oasis Gabe Yedid Thu 6/12/1997 9 KB 5002 Re: D: Oasis Dennis Nigbur Fri 6/13/1997 3 KB 11276 D: Oasis Lawry Simm Sun 2/22/1998 6 KB 11280 Re: D: Oasis feldon@p... Sun 2/22/1998 4 KB 11298 Re: Oasis Jim Moore Sun 2/22/1998 3 KB 11309 Re: Oasis Mark Jones Mon 2/23/1998 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 10:14 am Subject: Re: JMJ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Michael A Jean > Can anyone suggest a TD tune that we would want 7 different mixes of???? Love on a real train ? FSC From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 9:49 am Subject: Re: WEIRD LAWS 7 Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > << Wichita, KANSAS: Any person who shall use or carry, concealed or > unconcealed, any bean snapper or like article while attending a concert > hall shall, upon conviction, be fined. > >> > > And, what, the devil, is a bean snapper? I guess it's what in latin-america is called Maracas, a fruit-made musical instrument( there is a fruit whith hard outer edges [when dry] and empty inside full of beans . When shaken, the inside beans do that charecteristic noise. > For that matter, why would someone be inclined to use a bean snapper in > a concert hall? Maybe somebody with musical inclinations, dosen't like to be a passive listener and wants to participate... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 9:55 am Subject: Re :STRUCTURES, OXIGENE 7-13 Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... > > >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >> > o STRUCTURES FROM SILENCE by Steve Roach > >> > >> My favorite SR. > > > >One of my favs, too. [...] > >if you haven't already. And 'World's Edge'. And the follow-up to 'Western Spaces' I would include, also, Empetus and Now/Traveler, early works very rithm intensive and trance-making sequences. Since this is a non-TD tread : I've listened yesterday to JMJ Oxigene 7-13 and really is veery god. JMJ has done it's best work since Oxigene. A Must have for E.music fans. ---francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 9:21 am Subject: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND ( What version ?) Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: feldon@n... > In the meantime though, I am hard at work with making a 2CD of the entire > Harrogate 1986 concert with some extra encores/tracks from other concerts. > More details to come. Please don't ask for a tracklist as of yet. That is really what I understand as a productive message. I think you'll find here more than a couple of persons interested in that CD (;DD > Do we as TD fans have a problem with the 'Excerpts from Poland' CD because > it didn't represent the whole concert, or is it because they chose Barbakane > over Tangent? Extracts from Poland is an old disc. There is a newer 1 CD version where they have included Tangent too ( total time on this edition is very near to 80 minutes). I don't have the 2 CD set of the same concert but I understand there is only 5 minutes lelft in this 1 CD edition. Considering the really big difference in sound quality of this Castle release ( 1 CD version) over the previous versions I think it's worth having 80 minutes of fantastic quality ( remastered with 20 bit SBM and the famous DQC system patented by Edgar ans son) paying the price of 5-not-heard minutes. Maybe this is a sacrilege, is it ? --- Francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3422 Re: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND ( What version ?) TangerineC@a... Sat 5/3/1997 2 KB 3426 Re: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND ( What version ?) Francisco Salgado C. Sat 5/3/1997 2 KB 3428 Re: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND ( What version ?) Cloudless3@a... Sat 5/3/1997 2 KB 3449 Re: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND ( What version ?) Mark Filipak Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:02 pm Subject: CF's signature sound Really-From: Elana who? Ah yes... I remember that sound... I use it as the bootup sound on my Pentium. I call it the 'alien seagull', which is about a close a description I can find for it. Anyway, years ago, I asked Chris what HE called it, and he said (exact quote) 'It's just a modulated sine wave.' Turns out that it dates back to his first synthesizers. This thing goes waaaaaaaaay back. -Elana (who just got the Mark Shreeve CD 'Collide' and is happy and surprised to hear that THE very first sound on that CD is her screaming 'YEAH!' from the audience just before the rest of the crowd starts clapping... cool!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3305 Re: CF's signature sound Grant Middleton Thu 5/1/1997 2 KB 3465 CF's signature sound David J. Hughes Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 12:46 pm Subject: Tangents *again* was Re: Phil's Poll Really-From: Kev Holmes tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > I own : > > Tangents : a must have, even if the new material is only > > so-so. > I disagree. I think Crazie Eddie butchered the old stuff. > The 'liner notes' are also full of errors. Sorry Grant, your comment has prompted me to put my head above the parapet and came out in favour of Tangents. I've lurked long enough and endured reading the varying levels of criticism about it without saying my piece... I look at it in light of two viewpoints I heard years ago:- First, when the early Jupiter probes were going in, it was the terrestrial meteorologists that were getting really excited. Their attitude was that the ability to contrast the weather systems on Jupiter's moons to that of the Earth would lead to a greater understanding of how the system really worked down here. Secondly, no artist ever *finishes* a work, they simply abandon it pending a future return... I feel Tangents encompasses both approaches and displays the earlier works in a different light, enabling them to be appreciated from a new perspective. I find that the 'butchering' on this release, of even the slightest degree, enlightening. The treatment of the Encore tracks and particluarly one from Sorceror (Grind?) is excellent. Let me stress that I still love the originals, but it's as if they've been dressed differently. (By the same principle, I think that Stratosfear 1994 is great!) I agree with the comments about the new material and the liner notes, but these are trivial in my opinion. The set is certainly one of the first things I grab from the shelf to play in the car when heading out on a long journey. And besides, it's the favourite of my 4yo daughter, and who am I to argue with her? :-) (Her other favourite piece is 'One of these days' by PF - What have I brought into the world?) Agree to disagree? Cheers, Kev NP: Beethoven, Symphony no. 1 in C major, op 21. BPO - von Karajan | Kev Holmes | email: kholmes@p... | | Technical Account Manager | | | Pure Atria | Mobile: +44 (0)385 307337 | | CW House, | Direct: +44 (0)1344 462533 | | Cookham Road, | Office: +44 (0)1344 462500 | | Bracknell | Fax: +44 (0)1344 462501 | | Berkshire, UK RG12 1RR | URL: http://www.pureatria.com | Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3306 Re: Tangents *again* was Re: Phil's Poll Grant Middleton Thu 5/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:21 pm Subject: Phil's Compilation Poll Really-From: Tom Richmond Here's my compilation count: 1 copy each of: '70-'80 Dream Sequence In the beginning... The Private Music of Tangerine Dream Tangents Dream Roots Collection Beyond The Storm No 'Brick' in my future, unless it gets really cheap and someone can give me a good reason... Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:28 pm Subject: 'Singles and Other Songs' Really-From: Tom Richmond Help! I believe I missed something here. Can someone e-mail me as to where you got this CDR and how much it's going for? Thanks and forgive my ignorance. Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:40 pm Subject: Re: new TD compilation Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) Where did you get this???? Larry > > Hi Everyone, > > I just received a new TD compilation CDR entitled 'Singles and >Other > Songs,' which I like very much. > > Here is the track listing: > > Quasar > One Night in Medina > I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You > Das Madchen auf der Treppe > Katja > Eleanor Rigby > Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal > Alexander Square (long version) > House of the Rising Sun > Canyon Carver > Canyon Voices > Lost Tale > Vermillion Sands > Time Steps > Galago > > Question: does anyone know where the last track 'Galago' comes >from? > > I haven't heard it before; perhaps I'm mistaken, but it doesn't >appear > on any of the discographies that I have seen. > > It sounds very Schmoelling-like to me. > > > Roger Smith > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:40 pm Subject: Re: JMJ Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) I would agree with this. Larry >> Can anyone suggest a TD tune that we would want 7 different mixes >of???? > Love on a real train ? > > >FSC Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3318 Re: JMJ Gabe Yedid Thu 5/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:40 pm Subject: Re: Timesteps (Franke), Galago (Schmoelling) & Some New Flamebait Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) Steven, As a Patrick Kosmos fan, have you heard Virtual Reality? This is his only release (I'm aware of) that I have not heard. I'm looking for an opinion on it. Thanks, Larry >Hey, flame me. See what *I* care! Hey, and I prefer Patrick Kosmos >to >Klaus Schulze. Is that a crime? (As Mark Filipak would say, >'Asbestos >suit on!') > > -- Steven Feldman >and > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:40 pm Subject: Re: QUINOA, 'Crazy Eddie,' and VoicePrint Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) My TD compilations (in total) include: Dream Sequence The Best of Tangerine Dream The Private Music of Tangerine Dream Dream Music (maybe this is cheating but isn't everything on this previously released?) Atmospherics Tangents Dream Roots Beyond the Storm Electronic Dreams (Froese Vinyl) Guess I've wasted some money along the way... Larry > ><< (TANGENTS, BOOK OF DREAMS/DREAMROOTS, and BEYOND THE > >STORM). What with Miramar putting out THE BRICK, that's almost all >of > >TD, not counting the Private Music stuff. > > One wonders how well these things sell. I'm surprised that they sell > enough to justify putting out more! > > Scott >> > > Let's take a poll. Who, on this list, has one or more of >these >above? I have 'Beyond The Storm' only. I was just playing it the >other day, >but that is all. My last, and only TD compilation was 'Dream >Sequence' back >in '85. > >Phil N. > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:49 pm Subject: Re: CF's signature sound Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Elana who? > > Anyway, years ago, I asked Chris what HE called it, and he said (exact > quote) 'It's just a modulated sine wave.' Turns out that it dates back > to his first synthesizers. This thing goes waaaaaaaaay back. Or should that be 'Waaaa-oaa-oaa-oaa-oaa-oaaaaaaaeeeeeeeey' ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:46 pm Subject: Re: Tangents *again* was Re: Phil's Poll Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Kev Holmes > > The set is certainly one of the first things I grab from the > shelf to play in the car when heading out on a long journey. Well, that's cool. In fact, I've started to look upon my 'frequency of playing' as a guide to which album I rate most highly at a particular time. > And besides, it's the favourite of my 4yo daughter, and who am I to > argue with her? :-) (Her other favourite piece is 'One of these > days' by PF - What have I brought into the world?) Sounds like she might grow up to be very sought after in years to come ! My 2 1/2 year old daughter's fave is 'Boss Drum' by the Shamen. Go figure. > Agree to disagree? Of course. It'd be a pretty boring world if we all went around playing the original 'Rubycon' every day. Naaaaaah. It'd be f***ing great ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:49 pm Subject: WEIRD LAWS 8 Really-From: Michael A Jean Lincoln, NEBRASKA: Women who happen to be single, widowed, or divorced are banned from playing a guitar on Sundays. Barre, VERMONT: No married man may go and listen to a band alone on Sundays. Richmond, VIRGINIA: No married woman is allowed to play a musical instrument on the Sabbath unless she is properly looked after. Properly looked after is so defined that someone must be close4 behind and carrying a loaded gun over his left shoulder. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 2:22 pm Subject: Re. Phil's Poll Really-From: PNaunton@a... may day 1997 Well, since I stuck my nose in this business, here are the results thus far: 7 - People responded 19 - 'votes' were cast 8 - collections were mentioned Most frequent mention 'Beyond The Storm' Dream Sequence - 2 In The Beginnings - 1 Beyond The Storm - 5 Private Music Of . . .- 2 Tangents - 3 Dream Roots - 3 70-80 - 1 Book Of Dreams - 1 The above in no particular order- More to come? Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3334 Re: Re. Phil's Poll Mark Filipak Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 2:21 pm Subject: An odd question perhaps. . . . . Really-From: PNaunton@a... Some of the early TD album covers had a very abstract artiness in their design and execution. Most of these (I think) were created by the Froeses (Edgar and Monica). Are either considered artists, outside of the performing aspect (in the case of Edgar)? I just curious if either or both Edgar or Monica have had a showing, or if they are at all prolific. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3312 Re: An odd question perhaps. . . . . Sean Montgomery Thu 5/1/1997 2 KB 3336 Re: An odd question perhaps. . . . . Mark Filipak Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 9:00 am Subject: Re: Promo CDs Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 10:35 AM 5/1/97 GB-EIRE, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > >Guys, > >I have a Promo CD of JMJ's Oxygene 7-13. In general, what >is the difference between Promo and 'normal' CDs and is >there any way of spotting the difference? Are they more >valuable that general CDs and, if so, why? > >Thanks, Craig, While the readership of this list is incredibly sophisticated and very tolerant (viz. my constant references to TD-like musicians) I do think that in this case you ought to post your article on the JMJ list. There you will find an entire thinktank that thinks of nothing but JMJ. How can you go wrong? Just a suggestion, mind you..... Cheers, Andrew Mailing lists of Jean-Michel Jarre If you want to exchange your experiences or opines about Jean-Michel and hear the latest news, I suggest you subscribe the mailing list. There are two mailing at the moment: jarre@x... and jarre@c... To subscribe, please follow the instruction: For jarre@x... send a email to: majordomo@x... with in the message: subscribe jarre your@o... For jarre@c... send a message to: jarre-request@c... in the message subscribe jarre If this isn't enough you also can join the newsgroup alt.fan.jmjarre From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 10:49 pm Subject: Re: Promo CDs Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > >I have a Promo CD of JMJ's Oxygene 7-13. In general, what > >is the difference between Promo and 'normal' CDs and is > >there any way of spotting the difference? Are they more > >valuable that general CDs and, if so, why? > > > While the readership of this list is incredibly sophisticated and > very tolerant (viz. my constant references to TD-like musicians) > I do think that in this case you ought to post your article on the > JMJ list. Thanks for the info about the JMJ groups, Andrew, but I wasn't being that specific. I just wondered what the typical difference between ANY promo CD and ANY 'normal' CD was, not just Oxygene 7-13 in particular. The reason I raised it was simply because the JMJ album has a small sticker on the front which says 'Promo Copy Not For Resale'. Is this TYPICALLY all that distinguishes a Promo from a normal CD? If I find a TD CD in a used-store, can it only be promo if it has such a sticker, or is there other differences? With LPs it seems a little easier, because a lot just had white labels, yeah? I just wonder what the CD equivalent is, that's all. BTW, I don't think I'd have much to say in any JMJ list. Oxygene 7-13 is the only CD of his I have. Compared with the 60-or-so TD CDs I've got, I know I'm on the one and only list for me! NP : Earthshaper - Paul Nagle --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3341 Re: Promo CDs Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 5/2/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 2:40 pm Subject: Re: An odd question perhaps. . . . . Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Froeses (Edgar and Monica). Are either considered artists, outside of the > performing aspect (in the case of Edgar)? Edgar went to Art School in Berlin, and that's where TD was formed. I'm not sure what Monika's background is, but I think it's photography. I've often wondered if in fact they met at the school, and if he still gets the chance to exercise the old art muscles. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'There is no gravity...the planet sucks' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 2:56 pm Subject: Phil's Poll - A slight return Really-From: PNaunton@a... May Day 1997 Duh! I forgot to reference the original poll question, so here it is: <> Apologies for the wasted bandwidth. And to reiterate - - - Well, since I stuck my nose in this business, here are the results thus far: 7 - People responded 19 - 'votes' were cast 8 - collections were mentioned Most frequent mention 'Beyond The Storm' Dream Sequence - 2 In The Beginnings - 1 Beyond The Storm - 5 Private Music Of . . .- 2 Tangents - 3 Dream Roots - 3 70-80 - 1 Book Of Dreams - 1 The above in no particular order- More to come? Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 3:07 pm Subject: Re: Promo CDs Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > While the readership of this list is incredibly sophisticated and > very tolerant (viz. my constant references to TD-like musicians) > I do think that in this case you ought to post your article on the > JMJ list. I'd say Craig had every right to post the question here. It has nothing, per se, to do with JMJ. BTW, I'd be fascinated to know the answer to Craig's original question, too. Thanks for the info on the Jarre list. I think I may just drop them a subscription message today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 3:36 pm Subject: Phil's poll Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Atmospherics What's Atmospherics? I haven't heard of that one. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3317 Re: Phil's poll Capel Martyn Thu 5/1/1997 2 KB 3335 Re: Phil's poll stephan bischoff Fri 5/2/1997 4 KB 3324 Re: Phil's poll gary.cresswell1@v... Thu 5/1/1997 2 KB 3333 Re: Phil's poll Francisco Salgado C. Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3382 Re: Phil's poll Brian_Kirby@p... Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3481 Phil's poll STEPHEN M OTT Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 3483 Re: Phil's poll Francisco Salgado C. Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 3488 Re: Phil's poll Jens Peschke Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 3495 Phil's poll Kim Pedersen Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 9:54 am Subject: soundtrack?? Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... Dreamers have there been any releases of the TD soundtracks from Rainbow Drive and Tonight's the Night? --teiwaz From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 3:53 pm Subject: Re: Phil's poll Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) I have: Beyond The Storm Private Music Of TD Tangents Book Of Dreams Dream Roots Martyn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3335 Re: Phil's poll stephan bischoff Fri 5/2/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 4:01 pm Subject: Re: JMJ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 1 May 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) > > > I would agree with this. > > Larry > > > >> Can anyone suggest a TD tune that we would want 7 different mixes > >of???? > > Love on a real train ? > > > > > >FSC I'll add a little something to this. The only 'Dream dream' I've ever really had was the closest I've yet come to a real TD concert. The lineup was one we'll never see in real life--Jerome, Paul, and Johannes.(!) The hall they were playing in was more or less the Theatre Maisonneuve at Montreal's Place des Arts (where TD has played before, and which I know). What did they pick for their set? LOART! They did a sort of 'theme and variations' approach, and I must say I think my unconscious mind did a very good job of making Polandish, Optical Racey, Melrosey, Rockoonish, and Reichian versions of the piece ;) Too bad I don't know jack about keyboards and MIDI. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 4:06 pm Subject: collections poll Really-From: Armin Theissen O.k., I participate. I've got Dream Sequence - because at the time of release (Vinyl) I didn't knew 'Love on a..' and 'The Dream is...'. So I bought the whole thing just for 5 min music. In The Beginnings - because of the at that time unreleased 'Green Desert'. Beyond The Storm - The first CD I bought after moving to Madrid. Bought it because of lots of unreleased material. I love this 2CD. Froese solo 74-79 (not shure about the years) - because I had no Froese solo album at all and could not affort buying 'em all. Tangents - almost all unknown (tangentization, CD5). Some tangentization is really cool (Mojave Plan, third part with underlying piano!), some really awful (all this boring 'sphere' sound to Rubycon: blaspheme) Dream Roots - I must have had too much money. 70-80 - at that time, the only TD I had was 'Stratosfear' (and some stuff on tapes). So actually this was my introduction to TD. I think it was a very good one. And the booklet with zillions of photos: wonderful! Book Of Dreams - a must because of CD5. All the rest is uninteresting if you have all the regular albums. I would like to see/have the poster in the Brick, but buying the brick just for that is way too much. Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3350 Re: collections poll PNaunton@a... Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 4:05 pm Subject: re: Phil's Poll Really-From: Gabe Yedid I've got Beyond The Storm Tangents Private Music of TD (aka extracts from Melrose) Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Phil's Poll (which TD Comps. we own) Really-From: Steven Feldman o '70-'80 for the three solo tracks and the single version of Monolight) o IN THE BEGINNING for GREEN DESERT (I bought it in 1986) o THE PRIVATE MUSIC OF TANGERINE DREAM for Roaring of the Bliss and Beavertown o DREAM MUSIC 2 for the cover versions o TANGENTS for the 5th CD o DREAM MIXES because! ;) o UK DREAM MIXES for the 2nd CD o BOOK OF DREAMS for alternate versions of very old stuff o DREAM ROOTS for the 5th CD Is there an echo in here? Cf TANGENTS. ;) Froese solo comps: that Maroubra Bay was recorded backwards, then). Franke solo comps: other form Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 11:58 am Subject: Re: Promo CDs Really-From: Michael Fox Craig, et al: Re: Promo CD's. Most Promo CD's are the same as the rest of the pressing for retail sale. If it states something like 'for radio airplay' the trak(s) MIGHT be edits and are generally designated as such on the disk itself. If it just has a sticker on the cover, it's probably the same as any other copy. Promo's are usually used for 'press release i.e., review by media'. Look for any stamping on the slip paper that says anything (probably 'not for sale' like you stated) or anything that denotes an edit on the disk itself. Hope that answers your querry. Mike At 10:35 AM 5/1/97 GB-EIRE, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > >Guys, > >I have a Promo CD of JMJ's Oxygene 7-13. In general, what >is the difference between Promo and 'normal' CDs and is >there any way of spotting the difference? Are they more >valuable that general CDs and, if so, why? > >Thanks, > >--------------------------------------------- >Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer >GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems >Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) > >E-mail : cordrey@m... >--------------------------------------------- > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 5:28 pm Subject: Re: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...) Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) > Quoted From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-04-30 02:52:46 EDT, [Steven Feldman wrote]: > > << (TANGENTS, BOOK OF DREAMS/DREAMROOTS, and BEYOND THE > >STORM). What with Miramar putting out THE BRICK, that's almost all of > >TD, not counting the Private Music stuff. > > Let's take a poll. Who, on this list, has one or more of these > above? I have 'Beyond The Storm' only. I was just playing it the other day, > but that is all. My last, and only TD compilation was 'Dream Sequence' back > in '85. Compilations that I have: Tangents Dream Roots Collection Beyond the Storm Dream Sequence EF: Solo 1974 -1979 I enjoy all of these compilations, whether they contain only previously released material (e.g. Dream Sequence) or whether they contain 'tangentized' remixes of previously released material. Obviously, any previously unreleased material added to these compilations is a plus. I know that they are many here on this list who don't care for the 'tangentized' remixes but, in general, I enjoy them for putting new perspective, new life into older material. A good example is the extra bass lines added to the Tangram excerpt in Tangents. However, it doesn't always work for me. Such is the case with the drastically reworked version of Upland on Beyond the Storm. I think EF ruined the original with a monotonous rhythm track and keyboard sequence. Upland notwithstanding, I really enjoy Beyond the Storm. I have no intention of getting The Brick as it appears to offer nothing new, neither unreleased material nor remixed material, for people who already own the Miramar TD CDs. Steven, I seem to recall that you felt that the remixes that appear on EF's Solo: 1974- 1979 LP were superior to the originals. I must agree, especially on the track os 452 (?) from Macula Transfer. The original sounded quite spartan whereas the remix sounds fuller, richer and more developed. Dare I say that these remixes were 'tangentized'? (I seem to recall that you didn't like the 'tangentization' process, yes?) -Erik Sanborn esanborn@B... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:02 am Subject: Re: Phil's poll Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > Al though I have 52 TD records I only have one compilation Tangents (1st 3 CDs are cool) Beyond the storm. Would you consider C.Franke 'Enchanting Nature' a compilation CD? Gaza From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Phil's Poll Again Really-From: Steven Feldman Sorry, but something weird happened with my last post that chopped off the names of the Froese and Franke solo comps I have. They are: Froese: ELECTRONIC DREAMS SOLO '73-'79 BEYOND THE STORM Franke: NEW MUSIC FOR FILMS, VOL. 1 P.S.: does ENCHANTING NATURE count? I have that, too. -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 7:35 pm Subject: phil's poll Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> tiptoe... tiptoe... tiptoe... creeeaaaaaakkkkkkkk (peeking) (entering quiety) tiptoetiptoetiptoe psssst, is it safe to come out yet? (whispering) I just wanted to respond to Phil's poll; yeah, I have all of those comps except The Brick (but only cause I don't want to pay $85 for it in London when I can get it for $30 in the US); I have all the legitimate comps except for 'Ossiach Live' and 'V' but I am looking for them -- call me a sucker, call me a completist, but just don't call me for Ultima Thule / 'cause I only have one autographed copy / and you can't have it not even for yule ... Oh-oh flamethrowers de-cloaking off the starboard bow! Shields UP! Full reverse Mr. Datta, get me outta here!!!!!!! (lars who wasn't really here if anyone comes asking for me) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 7:35 pm Subject: d:addendum, week of May 5 Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> D: List, Addendum; Week of May 5 Rumpelstiltskin Enjoy! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 7:38 pm Subject: Re: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...) Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Which compilation is it where the whole thing is made in France, is only one disc, I believe has a computer generated image on the cover, and is a first generation CD, meaning it can with instructions upon how to correctly handle CD's. The complilation went as far up as '83 (I believe) and went as far back as Alpha Centauri. Dumb me returned it because I wasn't thrilled (at that time) and I didn't know this stuff had much value. Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 8:07 pm Subject: Re: JMJ Really-From: Claude Roy > >The only 'Dream dream' I've ever really had was the closest I've yet come >to a real TD concert. The lineup was one we'll never see in real >life--Jerome, Paul, and Johannes.(!) > >The hall they were playing in was more or less the Theatre Maisonneuve at they played at Wilfrid Pelletier Place Des Arts in 77, 86 and 92. I for myself, saw my first TD concert in 92, before that I was like you, only dreaming of seeing them live. You're TD dream team is not bad but why Jerome more then Edgar. For me Paul, Edgar and Johannes would be a great trio. Well we never know what's the future ahead. It seem that Edgar is still in good term with Paul and Johannes if I'm not mistaking. By the way, You're dream will maybe become reality quit soon with this maybe tour in november. As for myself, if it's the case. I will try to make it for the concerts in the nearby area like Montreal, Quebec, Toronto, even Boston or New York... >Montreal's Place des Arts (where TD has played before, and which I >know). What did they pick for their set? LOART! They did a sort of >'theme and variations' approach, and I must say I think my unconscious >mind did a very good job of making Polandish, Optical Racey, Melrosey, >Rockoonish, and Reichian versions of the piece ;) > >Too bad I don't know jack about keyboards and MIDI. > >Gabe > > ___________________________________________________________ Claude Roy, Longueuil P.Q. Canada e-mail: e-mail: (site génie civil) (site cinema) ____________________________________________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 8:44 pm Subject: Poll On This! Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... Okay! I'll bite! I have these compilations (not sure why, since I have everything TD has ever done in the complete forms...maybe they're good at parties to introduce the uninitiated to TD. Or because they do sometimes have different mixes and a few un-released titles.) DREAM SEQUENCE; THE PRIVATE MUSIC OF...; DREAM MUSIC (movie music); COLLECTED ENDINGS; THE COLLECTION. I have seen others but have felt they were either too expensive or had too much stuff I already owned. I might reconsider some of these, though! By the way, I was in the record store the other day and saw some new TD items. Since we have been discussing marketing and scams lately I would be interested in opinions on these: The Grammy Nominated TD - a 5CD box of their Grammy nominated CD's (We all have them) put out by Miramar, I think. Two Miramar compilation CD's with various artists including TD ( didn't give them a second glance...so don't remember what the TD songs were for sure). A 30th anniversary CD of other people doing the music of TD. (could be interesting - need more input on this one). At any rate, it appears that Miramar is milking every nickel and dime that they can get out of their former association with TD - and I'm sure Edgar has no say in the matter (and probably isn't even getting any of the money from these things). I'm sure Private Music is doing the same thing. Well, like I say...in the 90's the music business is more 'business' than 'music'. Comments? Graf Zeigen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3337 Re: Poll On This! Mark Filipak Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3380 Re: Poll On This! feldon@n... Fri 5/2/1997 3 KB 3576 Re: Poll On This! Craig R. J. Cordrey Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: 'A 30th Anniversary CD . . .'? Really-From: Steven Feldman >Poll On This! >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:44:47 -0400 (EDT) >Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... > >A 30th anniversary CD of other people doing the music of TD. (could be >interesting - need more input on this one). If this isn't TANGERINE AMBIENCE, then you've discovered something new! -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3397 Re: 'A 30th Anniversary CD . . .'? GrafZeigen@a... Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 10:43 pm Subject: Cd's on order Really-From: Kim Pedersen Could anyone review these cd's i have ordered from Ranjit: 1) Burkhardt, M/Schmoelling, J - (Der) Zaubergeiger ... [Ger./CD] $ 21.95 2) Froese, Edgar - Kamikaze 1989 [USA/CD] ........................ $ 14.95 3) Tangerine Dream - 20th Century Serenades [Germany/CD] ......... $ 24.95 4) Tangerine Dream - Ardem 'O' [Germany/CD] ...................... $ 24.95 5) Tangerine Dream - Coefficient Of Aural Expansion [Europe/CD] .. $ 39.95 6) T D - Coefficient Of Aural Expansion Part 2 [Europe/LtdEdCD-R] $ 39.95 7) Tangerine Dream - Collected Endings [Germany/CD] .............. $ 24.95 8) Tangerine Dream - Rockoon [USA/SplEdCD-single] ................ $ 9.95 9) Tangerine Dream - Shepherd's Bush [UK/LtdEd2TrkCD] ............ $ 18.95 10) Tangerine Dream - Sol Et Luna (Mystery Tracks II) [Germany/CD] $ 24.95 11) Tangerine Dream - 3 Tier Dream [UK/3CD] ...................... $ 89.95 12) Tangerine Dream - 3 Tier Dream On! [UK/CD] ................... $ 22.95 Please email privately. In advance thanks. Regards Kim Pedersen Korg 01w users group: http://www.sysedata.no/home/kimp E-mail:kimp@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3427 Re: Cd's on order Francisco Salgado C. Sat 5/3/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 8:33 pm Subject: Re: Phil's poll Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' my compilations: Dream Sequence Collection >From Dawn till Dusk The Private Music of TD Tangents Book of Dreams Dream Roots FSC From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 10:43 pm Subject: Re: Re. Phil's Poll Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > may day 1997 > > Well, since I stuck my nose in this business, here are the results > thus far: > > 7 - People responded > 19 - 'votes' were cast > 8 - collections were mentioned > > Most frequent mention 'Beyond The Storm' Perhaps there's a difference between comps with no pur (previously unreleased material) and comps with pur? 'BtS' has so much pur, I wouldn't even count it as a comp. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 11:24 pm Subject: Re: Phil's poll Really-From: stephan bischoff I have: TADREAM: Private Music Of TD Just because the two new songs. Tangents Best collection ever. I like the tangentized tracks, the new ones are not so great compared to DRC. Book Of Dreams The tangentized tracks from the pink period are nice, but the rest... Dream Roots Collection The new tracks are awesome, the others are okay, esp. the tangentized versions of the pink period (still couldn't compare them to those on BoD). Dream Mices Jerome's Input is clearly hearable. Not a must-have, but interesting for the younger fans. The new tracks on the TDI release are much better than the rest. I often use Tangents and DRC for searching the song titles of tracks on boots and tapes. EDDIE: Beyond The Storm Sometimes a little to much tangentized. Most I like 'Upland'. The new tracks are nothing special. CHRIS: Are there any 'normal' albums from him? :-) Enchanting Nature Got this one last week from CDnow. I expected more reworking / more new input from Chris, but all he did was renaming the songs... PAUL: Phase to Phase I don't know the original albums, but most of the tracks I don't like very much. Bye, Stephan _____ __________________________________________________________ / || \ |E-mail|| Stephan.Bischoff@H... | \_____||____________________________________________________ | / || | | Home ||http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/index.html | \_____||__________________________________________________________/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 10:41 pm Subject: Re: An odd question perhaps. . . . . Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > ... Are either [Edgar or Monika] considered artists, outside of the > performing aspect (in the case of Edgar)? ... More seasoned folk could answer this more fully, but I believe Edgar studied sculpting in his youth. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 10:33 pm Subject: Re: Poll On This! Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... > ... > A 30th anniversary CD of other people doing the music of TD. (could be > interesting - need more input on this one). This is probably 'Tangerine Ambience.' I did a review of it. Contact me off-list and I'll send it to you. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 10:32 pm Subject: French comp - pink & virgin? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > Which compilation is it where the whole thing is made in France, is > only one disc, I believe has a computer generated image on the cover, > and is a first generation CD, meaning it can with instructions upon > how to correctly handle CD's. The complilation went as far up as '83 > (I believe) and went as far back as Alpha Centauri. Dumb me returned > it because I wasn't thrilled (at that time) and I didn't know this > stuff had much value. If your memory serves you well regarding 83, then this must have either been a b**t that listed separate tracks and not a compilation, or it was a pirate compilation that combined pink and virgin years. If anyone locates this disc, please post. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3349 Re: French comp - pink & virgin? Greg Heil Fri 5/2/1997 3 KB 3358 Re: French comp - pink & virgin? Craig R. J. Cordrey Fri 5/2/1997 3 KB 3437 Re: French comp - pink & virgin? Mark Filipak Sun 5/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 9:42 pm Subject: New Castle 'Poland' SBM Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > ... > I don't have the 2 CD set of the same concert but I understand there > is only 5 minutes lelft in this 1 CD edition. Considering the really > big difference in sound quality of this Castle release ( 1 CD version) > over the previous versions I think it's worth having 80 minutes of > fantastic quality ( remastered with 20 bit SBM and the famous DQC > system patented by Edgar ans son) paying the price of 5-not-heard > minutes. Maybe this is a sacrilege, is it ? If you don't have the 2-CD of 'Poland,' then how can you compare them, Francisco? I'm well known as a cheerleader for these new SBMs, but in the case of 'Poland,' it's hard for me to imagine it being any better than the already excellent Relativity release -- but I felt that way about 'Tangram' too, until I heard the new one. Has anyone out there done an A/B listening comparision between the Relativity 2-CD and the Castle 1-CD SBM, and if so, would you post a review? Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 11:42 pm Subject: Voiceprint Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, A quick note : very busy rehearsing for EMMA. I noticed the talk about Voiceprint. Sorry if this duplicates information but the man behind 'Voiceprint' is Rob Ayling. He can be contacted via e-mail at the following address : rob@v... This address was printed on the back of Ultravox's most recent album ('Ingenuity') which was distributed by Voiceprint. Cheers David email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3348 Re: Voiceprint Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3370 Re: Voiceprint Vic Rek Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3404 Re: Voiceprint Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 5/2/1997 3 KB 3415 Re: Voiceprint Jim Moore Sat 5/3/1997 3 KB 3420 Re: Voiceprint Vic Rek Sat 5/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 7:06 pm Subject: Re: Promo CDs Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 03:49 PM 5/1/97 GB-EIRE, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > >Thanks for the info about the JMJ groups, Andrew, but I >wasn't being that specific. I just wondered what the >typical difference between ANY promo CD and ANY 'normal' CD >was, not just Oxygene 7-13 in particular. > >The reason I raised it was simply because the JMJ album has >a small sticker on the front which says 'Promo Copy Not For >Resale'. Is this TYPICALLY all that distinguishes a Promo >from a normal CD? If I find a TD CD in a used-store, can it >only be promo if it has such a sticker, or is there other >differences? > >With LPs it seems a little easier, because a lot just had >white labels, yeah? I just wonder what the CD equivalent >is, that's all. > >BTW, I don't think I'd have much to say in any JMJ list. >Oxygene 7-13 is the only CD of his I have. Compared with >the 60-or-so TD CDs I've got, I know I'm on the one and >only list for me! > >NP : Earthshaper - Paul Nagle (Yeah! Paul! Wonderful music. The man is evolving in front of our eyes. Those of you lucky enough to go to EMMA this year, can experience him AND Air Sculpture live and in person. Lucky Europeans!! -- Andrew) Hi, Craig As far as JMJ is concerned and the 'promo' sticker. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought you were 'lost.' :-) :-) If you want a terrific 'live' JMJ experience try 'Concert Pour La Tolerance.' VERY good. As far as the 'promo' labels are concerned it is my feeling that they are a ruse to pass into commercial circulation stuff that wasn't intended for sale in the first place. In other words, a boot. Since I am not anal enough to have every edition of everything (although I also have over 70 TD CDs) I have not had the opportunity to compare two 'editions' of the same thing: one with and without 'promo' stickers. BUT... you are in luck... I have an order in with CDNow for the commercial release of '7-13.' Should arrive in a few weeks. When it does I will break it down for you into as much detail as possible and we can compare notes. Howsat? Cheers, Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 12:23 am Subject: poll Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings- It's easier for me to say which _one_ I don't have - _Ossiach Live_. I have 'Ozillator Planet Concert' on a boot, though, so I'm in no real hurry to find this set. Yes, I am a completist! goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 12:35 am Subject: Re: WEIRD LAWS 7 Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-01 18:54:53 EDT, you write: << Wichita, KANSAS: Any person who shall use or carry, concealed or > unconcealed, any bean snapper or like article while attending a concert > hall shall, upon conviction, be fined. > >> > > And, what, the devil, is a bean snapper? >> I believe it is what most of us today would call a 'slingshot'. Graf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3435 Re: WEIRD LAWS 7 PNaunton@a... Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 12:43 am Subject: Re: JMJ Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-01 19:10:39 EDT, you write: << > Can anyone suggest a TD tune that we would want 7 different mixes of???? Love on a real train ? >> I'm almost that fond of 'Cloudburst Flight'. Maybe 'Beach Theme' from THIEF which I would love to hear expounded upon further. Graf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3431 Re: JMJ Mark Jones Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:29 am Subject: Re: Tangram vs. Pergamon/Quichotte Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings- >Really-From: feldon@n... >... >During this concert, was there any time break between tracks one and two? Or >is this the same kind of fade that was used on Poland between 'Poland' and >'Tangent' to fit it onto two sides of an LP? > >I love the atmospheric stuff on the beginning of track 2. > >More to come after I've heard the whole disc... >... >P.S. This is the actual recording of the concert right? Or did I get the >wrong disc, the remixed/studio-ified version? Here's the info from the TD: Live or Memorex FAQ that I sent out back in mid-January: ================== _PERGAMON_ (A.K.A. _QUICHOTTE_)- While there is basically no difference between the two shows performed that day (at least as far as I have been able to determine among all my various fantapes/LP's/CD's of the shows), they remain unique among the shows from '80. This show was performed exclusively for the E. Berlin audience (and, of course, whoever was listening on the radio), despite what some have said about hearing it in '80, '81 or wherever. The first set (Evening TT: 37:27) opens with white/pink noise generators and sfx (4:30), and then segues into what was essentially an edited preview of _Tangram_ (11:20), which had yet to be released, and then moves into a long sequencer-oriented piece (21:37), similar to (but _not_ the same as) the second half of the second set ('Quichotte pt.2'). The afternoon version of this set was originally issued as _Staatsgrenze West_, with part of the wonderful encore track to tease us. The second set provided the raw material for _Quichotte_/_Pergamon_. Part of the contract for TD's performance in E. Berlin was to have it broadcast by State-run Radio and TV stations, with the stipulations that the album release be different from the broadcast, and not available on a western label for 6 years. So what you hear on _Quichotte_/_Pergamon_ is not really the set as performed at all; Pt. 1 is essentially the same, with the odd difference here and there. The 'Maelstrom' link segment between the two parts is exactly the same. Pt. 2, however, is a studio creation based on ideas of the last halves of Set 1 and Set 2, with the basic sequencer stucture and guitar solo being entirely a studio creation. For the re-release as _Pergamon_, the band simply added a (very) little more to the end of Pt. 2. There is also a 12 min. encore that is the highlight of the whole show, IMVHO. Unfortunately, it hasn't appeared on any bootleg in its full length...yet. ; ) ================== ADDENDUM: The encore _has_ appeared! It can be found on the extremely hard to find CD-R _The Dream Is Not Always The Same_! There is also a _rumor_ of a 2 CD-R set coming out with the _complete_ afternoon and evening shows! ================== Hope this helped! goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:48 am Subject: Silva's out of print CD's...not to worry Really-From: Rakinik Intertype For those of you concerned about not finding any of the silva CD's by TD (Shy People, Dead Solid Perfect, Park Is Mine, Dream Music 1 & 2) Ford Thaxton assured me that they will be around for a while. If you have a hard time finding these Cd's contact Super Collector at 714-839-3693. They have these titles at very reasonable prices. If they don't have them, call Dave Minton at 1-800-cdtapes. I highly recommend Dave's mail order services as well. regards, Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3433 Re: Silva's out of print CD's...not to worry PNaunton@a... Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 3442 Re: Silva's out of print CD's...not to worry Rakinik Intertype Sun 5/4/1997 3 KB 3472 Re: Silva's out of print CD's...not to worry Robert Grabowsky Sun 5/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Shadow sample? Really-From: Ryan Smith This morning I was out shopping for some home furnishing, and the store I was in was playing a DJ Shadow CD (only in Berkeley do they play such things in a furniture store). Anyway, one of the tracks had what I swear sounded like a TD sample. It was a very familiar electric guitar line that I think was from one the 70s albums (maybe Force Majuere) except slowed down some and looped. Maybe I'm just going crazy, but then again DJ Shadow is known for mixing lots of obscure samples. If anyone can confirm or deny this, I'd appreciate it. Oh, and there's another one that I noticed a while back. On the Future Sound of London CD 'Lifeforms' I could swear I recognize a sample from the 1st track of Edgar's solo album 'Aqua'. I remember hearing somewhere that this album had a TD sample in it, but I've never recognized any except the one from 'Aqua'. Is there another one that I'm missing? Kaldari kaldari@c... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 1, 1997 11:06 pm Subject: Re: Voiceprint Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 12:42 AM 5/2/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > >Hi all, > >A quick note : very busy rehearsing for EMMA. You at EMMA, John and Paul at Jodrell.. sheeeshh.... why don't you all get together for a mega Atlanta concert? I can guarantee several hundred of my personal friends would be there stomping and cheering. Well? Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:18 am Subject: Re: French comp - pink & virgin? Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > If your memory serves you well regarding 83, then this must have either > been a b**t that listed separate tracks and not a compilation, or it was > a pirate compilation that combined pink and virgin years. If anyone > locates this disc, please post. -- Mark > The cover, if I can remember, had a cover of a woman/design that was computerized. This album was for sale at my local music store, and oddly, this one did not fit. It sat for quite a while, until I bought it--which I returned it because I disliked the music. My music store usually stocks only the most recent of Tangerine Dream from labels associated with New Age.. (Miramar..Private Music..Castle) Maybe if I dig around at my music store's used section, I might find it. I know this for certain though, this is not an album listed on T-Dreams's Discography! Greg.. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:24 am Subject: Re: collections poll Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-01 12:18:19 EDT, you write: << O.k., I participate. I've got Dream Sequence - because at the time of release (Vinyl) I didn't knew 'Love on a..' and 'The Dream is...'. So I bought the whole thing just for 5 min music. Armin >> I've always felt embarassed because I did the same thing, but I'd probably do it again. I don't think I've played the rest of the tracks on these LPs more than once, if that. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:24 am Subject: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Really-From: PNaunton@a... May Day +1 1997 <> 20 - People responded 72 - 'votes' were cast 14 - Different collections were mentioned List Member with the most compilations - Steven Feldman - 9 Most frequent mention 'Beyond The Storm' Dream Sequence - 8 In The Beginning - 3 Beyond The Storm - 16 Private Music Of . . .- 9 Tangents - 12 Dream Roots - 9 70-80 - 4 Book Of Dreams - 3 The Collection (? I don't know this one) - 1 Froese 74-79 - 3 Collected Endings (? Idon't know this one either) - 1 >From Dusk'Til Dawn - 1 Dream Music - (no mention if this was ONE or TWO) - 1 Electronic Dreams - (Actually because of Yab Abruam I don't really think of this as a compilation, but sometimes you have to say, 'What the f##k!') - 1 Many people mentioned The Brick but apparently no one owns it. More or less arbitrarily, I decided that the compilation could only be Tangerine Dream and/or artists currently with TD ( E.F.) or this could have gotten really messy. I therefore had to cut out the Franke stuff as his comps only contained stuff he did (or at least published) after leaving TD. Sorry 'bout that. More to come? Phil Naunton P.S. The figures above are a little rough at this point, I will have to go over the posts a bit more carefull to verify the information, if anyone is interested. P.P.S. Lars' 'post Ultima Thule' compilation posting was a tad on the vague side so his information is not included. Also, I couldn't tell if it was another joke or not. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3354 Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 5/2/1997 3 KB 3366 Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - GrafZeigen@a... Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3371 Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Craig R. J. Cordrey Fri 5/2/1997 3 KB 3372 Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Vic Rek Fri 5/2/1997 3 KB 3373 Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Francisco Salgado C. Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3400 Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - GrafZeigen@a... Fri 5/2/1997 3 KB 3474 Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - PNaunton@a... Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 3492 Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Mark Filipak Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 3506 Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 5/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:42 am Subject: gone for the month (almost) Really-From: Gabe Yedid I will be out of town, alternately working my arse off and enjoying the sun and good rum in Barbados from May 4 to May 26. Hope to hear from you all then, if your e-mails don't get answered for a while, don't take it personally and I'm not dead (barring any fatal run-ins with nasty Barbadian marine or road life, liver failure, terminal heatstroke etc.) Have a good month of May everyone, Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:53 am Subject: Poll Really-From: Jim Moore Better late than never... I have: Dream Sequence The Collection (on cassette) In the Beginning (on vinyl) Tangents Dream Roots Collection Private Music of TD Beyond teh Storm Phaedra/Rubycon/Richochet Box Set Encore/Cyclone/Force Majeure Box Set Tyger/Poland/Best of Box Set Edgar Froese: Solo 'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3396 Re: Poll Robert Grabowsky Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3405 Re: Poll Janne Salmijärvi Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 12:15 am Subject: Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 12:24 AM 5/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > >The Collection (? I don't know this one) - 1 Actually I have TWO 'Collection's. One a compilation, the other a collection. Go figure. The first is 'The Collection' (Castle CCSCD 161) with the follwoing tracks: Genesis Circulation of Events Fauni-Gena Alpha Centauri (Zeit First Movement) Birth of Liquid Plejades White Clouds The second, made in England, titled 'Collection' and it contains three CDs: 'Poland,' 'The Best of Tangerine Dream' and 'Tyger.' There is a text in upper right corner of the box that states: 'Special Gold CD Edition.' All three are on Jive and numbered Chip 22, Chip 75, and Chip 47, respectively. I also have a collection titled 'Ambient' (Synthetiseur) - Collectors' Edition (3 Limited Edition Picture Discs) and the box contains: Edgar Froese - 'Aqua,' Klaus Schulze - 'Time Wind' and Ashra - 'Blackouts.' >Collected Endings (? Idon't know this one either) - 1 boot Did anyone mention the 2-CD 'The Story of Tangerine Dream' also on Jive (made in Germany) No. 74321 11709 2? Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:16 pm Subject: Still there? Really-From: Paul Nagle I haven't had anything from the list for a few days....is it my server, have we really all run out of things to say, or have I been banished because of that dodgy picture on my web page? If someone would kindly let me know I'll resubscribe or something.... 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 24/04/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 8:10 am Subject: Tangram Remastered? Really-From: TangerineC@a... I recently saw Tangram with the original red cover instead of the old purple one. Obviously it was rereleased. But has the music on the new Tangram been remastered? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3386 Re: Tangram Remastered? Francisco Salgado C. Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3424 Re: Tangram Remastered? Robrann@a... Sat 5/3/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:11 pm Subject: Re: Promo CDs Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Thanks for the info Mark and Andrew. Looks like I better keep that sticker stuck, or it'll just be another 'normal' CD! NP : Cyborg - Klaus Schulze --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:24 pm Subject: Re: French comp - pink & virgin? Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > The cover, if I can remember, had a cover of a woman/design that was > computerized. This album was for sale at my local music store, and oddly, > this one did not fit. It sat for quite a while, until I bought it--which I > returned it because I disliked the music. My music store usually stocks > only the most recent of Tangerine Dream from labels associated with New > Age.. (Miramar..Private Music..Castle) The cover you describe sounds very much like Lily on the Beach, which was released on Private in 1989. However, that was (sub-?)standard studio release and not a compilation. Perhaps your memory is playing tricks on you (and us)? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 8:38 am Subject: Paul Nagle's Skyrider Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' Has anyone on the list (other than Paul :) heard this disc ? I've just DL'ed the WAV of 'On Mercury's Wings' from the album from Paul's home page and it sounds bloody great ! I'm tempted just to get it at the first opportunity regardless. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3360 Re: Paul Nagle's Skyrider Dr. Alan Stocker Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 9:13 am Subject: Re: Paul Nagle's Skyrider Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > >Has anyone on the list (other than Paul :) heard this disc ? > >I've just DL'ed the WAV of 'On Mercury's Wings' from the album >from Paul's home page and it sounds bloody great ! > >I'm tempted just to get it at the first opportunity regardless. > At the risk of embarrassing Paul (one I'm sure he's prepared to take!) I would say Skyrider is an excellent CD and one that you should give into temptation for... IMO it is the best of the elements series that I have heard (which are Water, Fire and of course Sky). Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 9:37 am Subject: DJ Shadow Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) >Really-From: Ryan Smith > > >This morning I was out shopping for some home furnishing, and the store I >was in was playing a DJ Shadow CD (only in Berkeley do they play such >things in a furniture store). Anyway, one of the tracks had what I swear >sounded like a TD sample. It was a very familiar electric guitar line >that I think was from one the 70s albums (maybe Force Majuere) except >slowed down some and looped. Maybe I'm just going crazy, but then again >[...] > Hi, I made the same expericence, hanging around after dinner with a friend, having some irish whiskey (he is irish). He played his ambient stuff, and suddenly I heard the guitar line of TD's 'Invisible Limits' (last track on 'Stratosfear'). 'What is this?', I screamed. It was DJ Shadow. Future Sound of London: I recently listened to parts of FSOL 'Lifeforms'. Could anybody tell me where that Aqua sample is supposed to appear? And: 7th track on CD2 in 'Lifeforms': The credit to a certain 'Schulze' must be Klaus, right? cheers armin, who confused 'Dream Root Collection' and 'Book of Dreams' in the poll. Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 `Live is complex - it has a real and an imaginary part!' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3363 Re: DJ Shadow Brian_Kirby@p... Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3377 Re: DJ Shadow Sean Montgomery Fri 5/2/1997 3 KB 3368 Re: DJ Shadow Vic Rek Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3391 Re: DJ Shadow Marcel Engels Fri 5/2/1997 3 KB 10201 Re: DJ Shadow TWeibre361 Thu 1/22/1998 2 KB 11540 DJ Shadow Elias Granillo, Jr. Mon 3/2/1998 3 KB 11543 Re: DJ Shadow Sean Montgomery Mon 3/2/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 2, 1996 10:52 am Subject: RE: melatron question Really-From: Michael Richard Hello! > Hi there. I've heard of the melatron and have heard that it was an > instrument that used tape loops I think? Can this instrument still be > found, and what kinds of sounds did it produce exactly? was it a sort of > synthesizer or what? thanks for the information. It's not a melatron, but a mellotron. It's a kind of synthesizer, but instead having sound made electronicaly, each key plays a different tape, that means that each key has a different sound. Most popular mellotrons were violin and voice. I think that mellotron is the best instrument ever done. But it's very hard to find 'cos the fashion ended in the 70's. If you want to hear the sound of a violin mellotron, I suggest to listen old Genesis, mainly the song Watcher Of The Sky. See ya! :) Michael (: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 1:33 pm Subject: Re: DJ Shadow Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) >I made the same expericence, hanging around after dinner with a friend, >having some irish whiskey (he is irish). He played his ambient stuff, >and suddenly I heard the guitar line of TD's 'Invisible Limits' >(last track on 'Stratosfear'). 'What is this?', I screamed. It was >DJ Shadow. Good ears, Armin. I myself probably wouldn't have picked it out, but I had the benefit of reading the liner notes. For once, TD is actually credited! >Future Sound of London: I recently listened to parts of FSOL 'Lifeforms'. >Could anybody tell me where that Aqua sample is supposed to appear? I couldn't pick out Aqua, but there's an entire song that sounds like it's based on a tune from 'Canyon Dreams.' -B. Kirby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3377 Re: DJ Shadow Sean Montgomery Fri 5/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 1:33 pm Subject: Re: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...) Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-01 20:51:48 EDT, you write: << Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Which compilation is it where the whole thing is made in France, is only one disc, I believe has a computer generated image on the cover, and is a first generation CD, meaning it can with instructions upon how to correctly handle CD's. The complilation went as far up as '83 (I believe) and went as far back as Alpha Centauri. Dumb me returned it because I wasn't thrilled (at that time) and I didn't know this stuff had much value. >> I think you may be referring to a 1987 Castle comp. called 'TANGERINE DREAM - THE COLLECTION'. It is from The Collector Series. It is a British import but was made in France and has the CD instructions (in multiple languages you described). Also, the cover art looks computer generated...a similar style of artwork reminiscent of the cover art for 'Lily On The Beach'. It contains: GENESIS CIRCULATION OF EVENTS FAUNI - GENA ALPHA CENTAURI (ZEIT FIRST MOVEMENT) BIRTH OF LIQUID PLEJADES WHITE CLOUDS I'm sure Edgar probably considers this a 'bastard-child' CD. Graf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3379 Re: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...) feldon@n... Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3385 Re: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...) feldon@n... Fri 5/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 1:32 pm Subject: promos Really-From: Michael A Jean Usually they are the same as the store release...it is just a copy sent to the store or radio to preview....occaisionally there will be a track change or remix before the actual album comes out, so those types of things can be worth something. Sometimes an scheduled release is cancelled, and then the promo is REALLY a collector's item...I don't imagine this is the case with the JMJ MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 1:57 pm Subject: Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-02 01:42:55 EDT, you write: << Really-From: PNaunton@a... The Collection (? I don't know this one) - 1 Collected Endings (? Idon't know this one either) - 1 Dream Music - (no mention if this was ONE or TWO) - 1 >> THE COLLECTION: see my response to Greg COLLECTED ENDINGS: Subtitled 'argonautica americana part three', this is a Silver Rarities import. Track 1 recorded live U.S.A. 1976; Tracks 2 & 3 recorded live U.S.A 1988. It contains: me-rad: the encore ardem 'o' Part Two ardem 'o' The Ending (maybe this can't be considered a compilation?) DREAM MUSIC: Subtitled 'The Movie Music Of Tangerine Dream' I don't know if it is one or two...I assume ONE. I haven't seen a TWO, but will look for it. This is a Silva release 1992 and contains: Victory The Hospital The Letter Theme From 'Dead Solid Perfect' Taking Central Park Suite From 'Dead Solid Perfect' The Helicopter Attack Clean And Sober Hope this helps! Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 1:53 pm Subject: WEIRD 9 Really-From: Michael A Jean Jamestown, SOUTH DAKOTA: No laughing out loud while listening to a country and western performer sing. Hartford, CONNECTICUT: Citizen's are forbidden from sticking out a tongue in the direction of a musician. Kitchner, ONTARIO: Whsitling is against the law while a band is playing before, after or during any sporting event. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3369 Re: WEIRD 9 Craig R. J. Cordrey Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3376 Re: WEIRD 9 Plumer, Scott Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3383 Re: WEIRD 9 Vincent Goudreault Fri 5/2/1997 4 KB 3398 Re: WEIRD 9 GrafZeigen@a... Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:09 pm Subject: Re: DJ Shadow Really-From: Vic Rek At 10:37 AM 5/2/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) >Future Sound of London: I recently listened to parts of FSOL 'Lifeforms'. >Could anybody tell me where that Aqua sample is supposed to appear? >And: 7th track on CD2 in 'Lifeforms': The credit to a certain 'Schulze' >must be Klaus, right? > Good observation Armin about the 'Schulze' mention. I posted this question about 5 months ago and nobody replied. Since then I traded that double CD. Can anyone confirm that it is 'Klaus Schulze' that is credited? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 10:10 pm Subject: Re: WEIRD 9 Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: Michael A Jean > Jamestown, SOUTH DAKOTA: No laughing out loud while listening to a > country and western performer sing. That's not a law! It's an impossibility! I'm glad I don't stay there. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:09 pm Subject: Re: Voiceprint Really-From: Vic Rek At 11:06 PM 5/1/97, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > >>A quick note : very busy rehearsing for EMMA. > >You at EMMA, John and Paul at Jodrell.. sheeeshh.... why don't you >all get together for a mega Atlanta concert? I can guarantee several >hundred of my personal friends would be there stomping and >cheering. > >Well? > I'd be there. Why don't you have it at the Variety Playhouse in Little 5 Points? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3404 Re: Voiceprint Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 5/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 10:07 pm Subject: Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... > COLLECTED ENDINGS: Subtitled 'argonautica americana part three', this is a > Silver Rarities import. Track 1 recorded live U.S.A. 1976; Tracks 2 & 3 > recorded live U.S.A 1988. It contains: > me-rad: the encore > ardem 'o' Part Two > ardem 'o' The Ending > (maybe this can't be considered a compilation?) I would say not, because it is really a boot, as is Ardem 'O' and Me-Rad (the first two in the series). > DREAM MUSIC: Subtitled 'The Movie Music Of Tangerine Dream' I don't know if > it is one or two...I assume ONE. I haven't seen a TWO, but will look for it. Yeah, there is a 2, although I couldn't tell you what was on it. I've only seen 2 lately. Is 1 still around (not that I would buy it)? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:09 pm Subject: Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Really-From: Vic Rek I don't see any mention of 'The Story of Tangerine Dream' 2-CD OR the compilation 'Tangerine Dream' on the Disky label. I own both of these and 'The Brick', and I'll leave it at that. Vic > >20 - People responded >72 - 'votes' were cast >14 - Different collections were mentioned >List Member with the most compilations - Steven Feldman - 9 > >Most frequent mention 'Beyond The Storm' > >Dream Sequence - 8 >In The Beginning - 3 >Beyond The Storm - 16 >Private Music Of . . .- 9 >Tangents - 12 >Dream Roots - 9 >70-80 - 4 >Book Of Dreams - 3 >The Collection (? I don't know this one) - 1 >Froese 74-79 - 3 >Collected Endings (? Idon't know this one either) - 1 >From Dusk'Til Dawn - 1 >Dream Music - (no mention if this was ONE or TWO) - 1 >Electronic Dreams - (Actually because of Yab Abruam I don't really think of >this as a compilation, but sometimes you have to say, 'What the f##k!') - 1 > > Many people mentioned The Brick but apparently no one owns it. > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:29 pm Subject: Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... > Collected Endings (? Idon't know this one either) - 1 A bootleg CD > Dream Music - (no mention if this was ONE or TWO) - 1 >> Rigth I forgot to mention it. there was a first CD and next Silva Screen came out with another one: Dream Misic II. Semi-official release in the sense that TD doesn't approved those relases but Silva Screen had the copy rigths.... TD official release list doesn't mention Silva Screeen CD's... FSC From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:32 pm Subject: The Brick Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: Vic Rek >I own both of these and 'The Brick', and I'll leave it at that. Okay, Vic, since you're the only person so far (that I know of) that has actually admitted to owning 'The Brick,' can you tell us what the free poster is? Not about to buy those 5 albums again, B. Kirby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3381 Re: The Brick Vic Rek Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB 3471 The Brick TangerineC@a... Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 6839 Re: The Brick FredYargui@a... Fri 8/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:04 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #907 Really-From: Remek Kocz Hello, I'm interested in going to the Athens concert on May 31st. Does anyone have any ideas how to get the tickets in the US. I'll be in Athens by May 30, so I suppose the tickets will be sold out by then. rEmEk From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:08 pm Subject: RE: WEIRD 9 Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Jamestown, SOUTH DAKOTA: No laughing out loud while listening to a >country and western performer sing. I'm surprised this law wasn't struck down, being so difficult to adhere to. :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:07 pm Subject: Re: DJ Shadow Really-From: Sean Montgomery Hey, I made a posting on this a couple of months ago! No one responded at the time. It's not just the guitar either...whole parts of the song are obviously employed in this excellent track on a great album. It's too bad that the Orb's remix of Towards the Evening Star wasn't this inventive. > Good ears, Armin. I myself probably wouldn't have picked it out, but I had the > benefit of reading the liner notes. For once, TD is actually credited! I read an interview with Josh Davis (a.k.a. D.J. Shadow) where he revealed that he had to approach TD through 'a friend of theirs', who had to convince them to give permission for the use of the sample. Edgar is notoriously protective of having TD's music sampled, from what I've read...so this is understandable. I wonder who that friend was, though? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Think Global - Act Loco!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:34 pm Subject: Frequency of Playing Really-From: feldon@n... At 02:46 PM 5/1/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > >In fact, I've started to look upon my >'frequency of playing' as a guide to which album I rate most >highly at a particular time. Well, in that case, I've been playing Poland almost non-stop for the past month (and although I earnestly fight the urge, I just have to skip over Barbakane when it comes around on the player) and interspersing it with Stratosfear, Logos Set One (I made a CD copy of a 3rd generation of the fantape--almost pointless but I can tolerate it!), Rubycon and Pergamon) Actually, the only reason why I'm not playing Phaedra and Force Majeure is because most my CD collection was *stolen* 2 months ago. Those are my next two purchases... or maybe I'll get Oasis (I heard about 20 minutes of it during the intermission of the Webcast---*I* think I'll like it). Probably Tier Dream 1-3. $89? Might have to take out a small loan! Also, Tuesday I did one of two things: 1. Ordered Quinoa 2. Gave away my credit card number for naught I guess I won't find out until the disc/bill arives. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:40 pm Subject: Re: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...) Really-From: feldon@n... Compilations that I have: Tangents Dream Roots Collection Beyond the Storm The Private Music of Tangerine Dream Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:46 pm Subject: Re: Poll On This! Really-From: feldon@n... At 04:44 PM 5/1/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... > >A 30th anniversary CD of other people doing the music of TD. (could be >interesting - need more input on this one). I think I'm the only on on the list that likes this CD 'Tangerine Ambience'. Find out if you can listen to it before you buy it (SoundWaves here in Texas will let you) and judge for yourself. Personally, I think they're pretty faithful reproductions, but most people on the list think the CD is complete blasphemy. >At any rate, it appears that Miramar is milking every nickel and dime that >they can get out of their former association with TD - and I'm sure Edgar has >no say in the matter Yes. Don't worry about the Miramar compilation CDs. Nothing new as far as TD is concert. Unless you call the Rockoon radio edit special! Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:48 pm Subject: Re: The Brick Really-From: Vic Rek > >>I own both of these and 'The Brick', and I'll leave it at that. > >Okay, Vic, since you're the only person so far (that I know of) that has >actually admitted to owning 'The Brick,' can you tell us what the free poster >is? > >Not about to buy those 5 albums again, >B. Kirby > I don't have it in front of me, but you have a choice of 2 or 3 as I recall from 220 volt tour and some others. You have to send in a proof of purchase though (and I don't have one). I said I have 'The Brick' - I didn't say how I got it. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:49 pm Subject: Re: Phil's poll Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... Okay, here's the compilations I have: Comps I'm not displeased I own: Private Music of.. Tangents Dream Roots Book of Dreams (a nice distillation of DR) 70/80 (unreleased stuff!) Beyond the Storm (hate the album, but it's got unreleased stuff) Collection (cuz I got it as a gift) Crap I shouldn't have wasted my money on: >From Dawn 'til Dusk Story of TD Comp I saw at a used store in Victoria, BC (of all places!) last year and didn't buy and am now vigorously kicking myself in the head (physically improbable as that may be) for: Dream Sequence From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:47 pm Subject: Re: WEIRD 9 Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On May 2, 3:10pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: WEIRD 9 > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > Jamestown, SOUTH DAKOTA: No laughing out loud while listening to a > > country and western performer sing. > That's not a law! It's an impossibility! I'm glad I don't > stay there. > Think so, Craig? Imagine yourself keeping a straight face when someone signs on of those (subset of a much longer list): The Best of the Worst Country-Western Song Titles (These are *real*) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Get Your Tongue Outta My Mouth 'Cause I'm Kissing You Goodbye Drop Kick Me, Jesus, Through The Goalposts Of Life Get Your Biscuits In The Oven And Your Buns In The Bed How Can I Miss You If You Won't Go Away? How Can You Believe Me When I Say I Love You When You Know I've Been A Liar All My Life? I Been Roped And Thrown By Jesus In The Holy Ghost Corral I Changed Her Oil, She Changed My Life I Don't Know Whether To Kill Myself Or Go Bowling I Would Have Wrote You A Letter, But I Couldn't Spell Yuck! Mama Get The Hammer (There's A Fly On Papa's Head) My Head Hurts, My Feet Stink, And I Don't Love Jesus You're The Reason Our Kids Are So Ugly Now, aren't you REALLY glad you don't stay there? C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:52 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream <-> Oxygene 10 Really-From: Alexander Bjelke Hi, Someone stated on the Jarre mailinglist awhile ago that ' Oxygene 10 is very Tangerine Dream-like and therefore very good'. I really love Oxygene 10 so if you can agree on that statemenet, which album should I try?? Best regards Alexander Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3392 Re: Tangerine Dream <-> Oxygene 10 Claude Roy Fri 5/2/1997 3 KB 3401 Re: Tangerine Dream <-> Oxygene 10 Francisco Salgado C. Fri 5/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:59 pm Subject: Re: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...) Really-From: feldon@n... At 09:33 AM 5/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... > ><< Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > Which compilation is it where the whole thing is made in France, is only > one disc, I believe has a computer generated image on the cover, and is a > first generation CD, meaning it can with instructions upon how to correctly > handle CD's. The complilation went as far up as '83 (I believe) and went as > far back as Alpha Centauri. >I think you may be referring to a 1987 Castle comp. called 'TANGERINE DREAM - >THE COLLECTION'. It is from The Collector Series. It is a British import >but was made in France and has the CD instructions (in multiple languages you >described). Now that you mention it, I *have* seen this disc and it does fit the description you're giving!!! It is not very rare and could probably get it if I went music store hopping. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:31 pm Subject: Re: Tangram Remastered? Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > I recently saw Tangram with the original red cover instead of the old purple > one. Obviously it was rereleased. But has the music on the new Tangram been > remastered? Yes, they remastered it with 20 bit SBM technology ( 20 bits dithered and noise-shaped to 16 bits) FSC From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 9:16 pm Subject: Re: CF's signature sound? Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:39:53 -0700 tadream mailing list wrote: >> Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.' >> >> I've been a CF fan for no more than a year (I got to know him via >> Babylon 5), and I'm kind of surprised/pleased by this 'signature >> sound'. Pretty good idea, me thinks. >> >> I'd like to know one thing about this: when did he begin 'signing' like >> this? I've heard the sound as far back as 'Logos' (alas, I don't have >> most of the older albums). But was it a signature by that time, or he >> decided later to use it as such? The sound appears on 'Encore', but I'm not sure which track. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3411 Re: CF's signature sound? Dennis Nigbur Sat 5/3/1997 3 KB 3413 Re: CF's signature sound? ajogon@m... Sat 5/3/1997 2 KB 3476 Re: CF's signature sound? PNaunton@a... Sun 5/4/1997 3 KB 3594 Re: CF's signature sound? Dennis Nigbur Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 9:15 pm Subject: Re: A Few Rare Items to Share Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:01:24 -0400 (EDT) tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Vic Rek > > >Well, I just got a few TD and related goodies in. I thought I'd share a few >of them with ya'll (Southern for you all - everybody). > >T. Dream - Lily on the Beach LP mispressing without 'Long Island Sunset' So that's a rarity then, is it? I can't believe I bought one of those 'mispressings' when Lily first came out. I was so annoyed! But I was under the impression that Long Island Sunset was missing on all the LPs. Therefore I didn't even try to get a refund from the shop. Strange. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:28 pm Subject: tangerine ambience Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) >Really-From: feldon@n... > >I think I'm the only on on the list that likes this CD 'Tangerine Ambience'. No, I'm with you. Of course, if I want to listen to, say, 'Exit', I listen to Tangerine Dream's Exit and not to the Ambience. But I like the idea to cover (it is a lot of fun to cover), and I think they did it well and had fun with it. armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:30 pm Subject: Posters Really-From: TangerineC@a... I'm looking for any Tangerine Dream posters, old and new. Please send the reply to this mailing list or e-mail me at TangerineC@a... Thanks From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:35 pm Subject: Re: DJ Shadow Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Vic Rek > > > At 10:37 AM 5/2/97 +0100, you wrote: > >Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > > >Future Sound of London: I recently listened to parts of FSOL 'Lifeforms'. > >Could anybody tell me where that Aqua sample is supposed to appear? > >And: 7th track on CD2 in 'Lifeforms': The credit to a certain 'Schulze' > >must be Klaus, right? > > > Good observation Armin about the 'Schulze' mention. I posted this question > about 5 months ago and nobody replied. Since then I traded that double CD. > Can anyone confirm that it is 'Klaus Schulze' that is credited? Yes, it's Klaus Schulze being credited along with Robert Fripp. I like this 2CD, Lifeforms, alot. To me this is what TD and Kraftwerk sounded like when they kept on producing good music. As for the Aqua-question, it starts in track 5 at 0:30 most notible at 1:25 throughout the whole track even in track 6. As for the Schulze-samples in track 8 it is from Royal Festival Hall. Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:42 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream <-> Oxygene 10 Really-From: Claude Roy At 17:52 97-05-02 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > > >Hi, > >Someone stated on the Jarre mailinglist awhile ago that ' Oxygene 10 is >very Tangerine Dream-like and therefore very good'. I really love >Oxygene 10 so if you can agree on that statemenet, which album should I >try?? > >Best regards >Alexander Ouf Alexander, That a tough one to compare Oxygene 10 with TD but while listening to it, maybe some sound like Miracle Mile Td 1989 soundtrack (the more rythms tracks) If you like oxyg10, you should like 220 Volts live maybe from 1992. As I listen to Jarre, oxyg11 as some more ambient TD sound, like on Rubycon (Rubycon is a lot smoother too for your information, a lot of `70 sounds.) Is there some TD fan who have other opinions about comparing TD to the new Jarre album?? > > ___________________________________________________________ Claude Roy, Longueuil P.Q. Canada e-mail: e-mail: (site génie civil) (site cinema) ____________________________________________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 5:15 pm Subject: Re: tickets for Athens Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I'm interested in going to the Athens concert on May 31st. Does anyone >have any ideas how to get the tickets in the US. I'll be in Athens by >May 30, so I suppose the tickets will be sold out by then. I asked my sister-in-law, who is a travel agent, and she said she can get them no problem, as long as they're available (i.e. not sold out). So check with your travel agent. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 5:28 pm Subject: TD in the R&R HoF Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' There was an article in a local paper yesterday about how one gets nominated for induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Basically, a group of 'rock historians' nominates and decides on artists based on their influence on the development of R&R. They then vote on the nominees, and thos that receive a majority of 'yes' votes are in. Therefore, it seems to me that getting TD at least nominated for induction might be as simple as presenting a petition signed by TD fans worldwide. I'd be willing to draw up a petition and organize the whole thing. I propse we do two things: first, circulate a petition among the list members via mail, hopefully to as many listees as possible, in as many countries as possible. Second, since TD appear to be planning more concerts in the near future, standing outside the venue of said concerts collecting signatures would be good, too. Of course, I have neither the money nor the time to travel to every TD concert for the next year (much as I'd like to!), so we'd need dedicated list members who are going to future concerts to volunteer to gather signatures at the shows. Of course, this depends on whether people think TD belongs in the Hall of Fame. . . Anyone with me? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3395 Re: TD in the R&R HoF Vincent Goudreault Fri 5/2/1997 3 KB 3550 Re: TD in the R&R HoF Plumer, Scott Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 6:01 pm Subject: Re: TD in the R&R HoF Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On May 2, 1:28pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: TD in the R&R HoF > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > (...) > > Of course, this depends on whether people think TD belongs in the Hall > of Fame. . . Is that supposed to be a question? > > Anyone with me? I believe that, between Claude Roy, Gabe Yedid and myself, you already got Montreal covered. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 6:14 pm Subject: Re: Poll Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Here is what I have: The Collection Tangents Dream Roots Collection (the BRICK) Private Music of TD Beyond the Storm Edgar Froese: Solo 74-79 Dream Music I Collected Endings is a BOOTLEG.It was recorded LIVE in 1976 and 1988 in the USA. If anyone is interested in this contact me off-list with what you have for trade. I believe I can get 2 copies of it. Robert HGHLNDR@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 6:42 pm Subject: Re: 'A 30th Anniversary CD . . .'? Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-01 22:08:16 EDT, you write: << A 30th anniversary CD of other people doing the music of TD. (could be >interesting - need more input on this one). If this isn't TANGERINE AMBIENCE, then you've discovered something new! >> Well folks...I decided I'd better go back and give these things a 'second glance' after all. Yes, this was TANGERINE AMBIENCE. Still didn't buy it though. Also, the 5CD box of Grammy Winners is this 'BRICK' thing you've all been talking about. Didn't buy that, either. AH! 'I see...........' said the blind man. However, I did buy the TANGENTS box set and am listening to it now!!!! I'm looking for the Oasis CD, but can't find it. The video is on it's way in the mail. As is my Quinoa (I trust). Thanks to all for pointing me in the right direction for these babies!!! Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 7:00 pm Subject: Re: WEIRD 9 Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-02 10:05:57 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Michael A Jean Jamestown, SOUTH DAKOTA: No laughing out loud while listening to a country and western performer sing. [sorry, but I MUST!!!] Hartford, CONNECTICUT: Citizen's are forbidden from sticking out a tongue in the direction of a musician. [does this include KISS????] Kitchner, ONTARIO: Whsitling is against the law while a band is playing before, after or during any sporting event. >> [how about the SPICE GIRLS???] PLEASE DON'T BURN ME! Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 7:08 pm Subject: Screaming fans! Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > >You at EMMA, John (AirSculpture) and Paul (Nagle) at Jodrell.. >sheeeshh.... why >don't you all get together for a mega Atlanta concert? I >can guarantee several >hundred of my personal friends would be there stomping and >cheering. > >Well? John, Paul, are you up for it? We're game for a laugh! :) Cheers David email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3408 Re: Screaming fans! Paul Nagle Sat 5/3/1997 2 KB 3414 Re: Screaming fans! Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 5/3/1997 3 KB 3421 Re: Screaming fans! Paul Nagle Sat 5/3/1997 3 KB 3430 Re: Screaming fans! Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 5/4/1997 3 KB 3438 Re: Screaming fans! Mark Filipak Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 7:12 pm Subject: Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-02 10:18:07 EDT, you write: << Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... > COLLECTED ENDINGS: Subtitled 'argonautica americana part three', this is a > Silver Rarities import. Track 1 recorded live U.S.A. 1976; Tracks 2 & 3 > recorded live U.S.A 1988. It contains: > me-rad: the encore > ardem 'o' Part Two > ardem 'o' The Ending > (maybe this can't be considered a compilation?) I would say not, because it is really a boot, as is Ardem 'O' and Me-Rad (the first two in the series). > DREAM MUSIC: Subtitled 'The Movie Music Of Tangerine Dream' I don't know if > it is one or two...I assume ONE. I haven't seen a TWO, but will look for it. Yeah, there is a 2, although I couldn't tell you what was on it. I've only seen 2 lately. Is 1 still around (not that I would buy it)? >> Yes, I think I agree. I didn't realize this was a boot...I may banish it from my collection. (It sucks anyway). And as for the other...I didn't say I was PROUD of owning any of these....I guess I'm one of those 'anal collector' types!! Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:29 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream <-> Oxygene 10 Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > > Hi, > > Someone stated on the Jarre mailinglist awhile ago that ' Oxygene 10 is > very Tangerine Dream-like and therefore very good'. I really love > Oxygene 10 so if you can agree on that statemenet, which album should I > try?? You'll receive many answers but Poland is the one it comes to my mind first; also, stratosfear, Force Majeure and Ricochet. I reccomend you try tangram too. ---FSC From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 8:28 pm Subject: New email address Really-From: SYensen@a... To all dreamers everywhere, I am moving to the 'Internet in Nottingham' very soon. My address will be: syensen@i... Hopefully, when I've figured out the intricacies of TCP/IP and other boring things, I will be able to re-join the TD news group. Steve. Nottingham UK. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 9:04 pm Subject: beans, tangents and silva screen cds Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> a few randon notes on yesterday's digest: >And, what, the devil, is a bean snapper? As someone has said, a bean snapper is like a sling shot... ------------------------- >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' >> Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' >> Tangents : a must have, even if the new material is only >> so-so. >I disagree. I think Crazie Eddie butchered the old stuff. -- I don't want to offend but personally I think that 'butchered' this is a narrow-minded point of view. But then this is the thermonuclear flamewar into which we on this list must descend at least every 12 weeks, right Steve? ... ------------------------------------ >Really-From: Rakinik Intertype >For those of you concerned about not finding any of the silva >CD's by TD >(Shy People, Dead Solid Perfect, Park Is Mine, Dream Music 1 & >2) Ford >Thaxton assured me that they will be around for a while. -- Excuse my ignorance but who, pray tell, is Ford Thaxton? and what is his source of information? What I posted about these CDs is that some ** have already gone out of print ** based on direct discussions with staff (and the computer) at Tower, HMV and Virgin. Now maybe there are plenty lying around in boxes in some_one's_ mail-order warehouse but, Dano, the truth of the matter is you just can't find these CDs so easily; the major stores in the US and UK can't order most of them anymore (because they are out of print) and most are not even available 'on the street' in the US. I looked (and asked at the stores) for years for SP, DSP, DC, before finding them in London. Will they be around for awhile? Perhaps at some mail-order house. Will they be accessible? Only to those who know. Most of them haven't been accessible in the US for years anyway -- if ever! Perhaps I am wrong, but I think you are giving people a false sense of security about these things... The intent of my original message was to give people fair warning to buy these items while they can. How many of us have kicked ourselves because we didn't buy something when we could have only to find out later that we have to pay much money and spend much more time finding it years later? Lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3407 Re: beans, tangents and silva screen cds Rakinik Intertype Sat 5/3/1997 5 KB 3409 Re: beans, tangents and silva screen cds Mark Filipak Sat 5/3/1997 3 KB 3417 Re: beans, tangents and silva screen cds Rakinik Intertype Sat 5/3/1997 3 KB 3470 Re: beans, tangents and silva screen cds TangerineC@a... Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:18 pm Subject: Re: Voiceprint Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 10:09 AM 5/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Vic Rek > > >At 11:06 PM 5/1/97, you wrote: >>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> >>>A quick note : very busy rehearsing for EMMA. >> >>You at EMMA, John and Paul at Jodrell.. sheeeshh.... why don't you >>all get together for a mega Atlanta concert? I can guarantee several >>hundred of my personal friends would be there stomping and >>cheering. >> >>Well? >> > I'd be there. Why don't you have it at the Variety Playhouse in Little 5 >Points? > >Vic That would do it. Although I am from Birmingham.... where all we could accommodate is about 45,000 spectators, like we did with Pink Floyd. Santana brought only a few thousand to the Amphiteatre. TD snubs us, JMJ snubs us...how about it gentlemen? Make it an American EMMA for a change. All those Germans, Dutch, Belgians, French, British, Czechs, Hungarians, etc.etc. need to visit America anyway! :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Re: Poll Really-From: jhsa@c... (Janne Salmijärvi) In Email quoth tadream (tadream@c...): > Better late than never... Right. The Collection (double vinyl, the one with stuff from first 4 albums & White Clouds from Green Desert), Tangents, Dream Roots & Beyond The Storm. -jhsa From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 11:17 pm Subject: Re: Poll On This! / Tangerine Ambience Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: feldon@n... > I think I'm the only on on the list that likes this CD 'Tangerine Ambience'. No, you are not alone ! IMO the Invisible lights remix is much better than the original. Phaedra, Exit and Horizon (Augenstern) are 'must have'. Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 11:56 pm Subject: Re: beans, tangents and silva screen cds Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > a few randon notes on yesterday's digest: > >And, what, the devil, is a bean snapper? > As someone has said, a bean snapper is like a sling shot... > > ------------------------- > >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > >> Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > >> Tangents : a must have, even if the new material is only > >> so-so. > >I disagree. I think Crazie Eddie butchered the old stuff. > -- I don't want to offend but personally I think that 'butchered' this is a > narrow-minded point of view. But then this is the thermonuclear flamewar > into which we on this list must descend at least every 12 weeks, right > Steve? ... > > ------------------------------------ > >Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > >For those of you concerned about not finding any of the silva >CD's by TD > >(Shy People, Dead Solid Perfect, Park Is Mine, Dream Music 1 & >2) Ford > >Thaxton assured me that they will be around for a while. > -- Excuse my ignorance but who, pray tell, is Ford Thaxton? and what is his > source of information? What I posted about these CDs is that some ** have > already gone out of print ** based on direct discussions with staff (and > the computer) at Tower, HMV and Virgin. Now maybe there are plenty lying > around in boxes in some_one's_ mail-order warehouse but, Dano, the truth of > the matter is you just can't find these CDs so easily; the major stores in > the US and UK can't order most of them anymore (because they are out of > print) and most are not even available 'on the street' in the US. I looked > (and asked at the stores) for years for SP, DSP, DC, before finding them in > London. Will they be around for awhile? Perhaps at some mail-order house. > Will they be accessible? Only to those who know. Most of them haven't > been accessible in the US for years anyway -- if ever! Perhaps I am wrong, > but I think you are giving people a false sense of security about these > things... The intent of my original message was to give people fair > warning to buy these items while they can. How many of us have kicked > ourselves because we didn't buy something when we could have only to find > out later that we have to pay much money and spend much more time finding > it years later? > > Lars Well, first off, Ford Thaxton is a CD (soundtrack) producer. Open your Silva TD CD's and you will see his name. If anyone would know about the Silva CD's, it'd be him. How am I giving anyone a false sense of security? Why would you assume that I'm talking out of my $%^? I work with a reputable CD producer as well (Super Tracks, which produced Night Of The Running Man, as well as several other soundtracks). I just thought I would help the NG by spreading information that most of you do not have access to. How better to get info than from the producers of the CD's themselves. So, now you know who Ford is, now you know you were wrong. Cheers, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 3:32 pm Subject: Re: Screaming fans! Really-From: Paul Nagle On Fri, 2 May 1997 20:08:42 +0100, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >>Well? >John, Paul, are you up for it? We're game for a laugh! :) I'm up for anything. Either I'm at a funny age or it's my hormones. What we talking about? 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3414 Re: Screaming fans! Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 5/3/1997 3 KB 3421 Re: Screaming fans! Paul Nagle Sat 5/3/1997 3 KB 3430 Re: Screaming fans! Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 5/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 8:43 am Subject: Re: beans, tangents and silva screen cds Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > ... > > -- Excuse my ignorance but who, pray tell, is Ford Thaxton? and > > what is his source of information? What I posted about these CDs > > is that some ** have already gone out of print ** based on direct > > discussions with staff (and the computer) at Tower, HMV and Virgin. I concur with what Lars says and have had such personal experiences with store personnel and distributors also. > Well, first off, Ford Thaxton is a CD (soundtrack) producer. ... Your boss? > ... So, now you know who Ford is, now you know you were wrong. How was Lars wrong, Dano? -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 8:06 am Subject: FSOL 'Lifeforms' and TD, KS Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Vic Rek > > At 10:37 AM 5/2/97 +0100, you wrote: > >Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > > ... > > And: 7th track on CD2 in 'Lifeforms': The credit to a certain > > 'Schulze' must be Klaus, right? > > Good observation Armin about the 'Schulze' mention. I posted this > question about 5 months ago and nobody replied. Since then I traded > that double CD. Can anyone confirm that it is 'Klaus Schulze' that > is credited? I think FSOL sampled everything on the planet except possibly my urine (not sure) for 'Lifeforms.' Is 'Schulze' Klaus Schulze? Who else? I've heard that TD samples are throughout 'Lifeforms' but you can't recognize them. Cheers -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3416 Re: FSOL 'Lifeforms' and TD, KS Jim Moore Sat 5/3/1997 2 KB 3439 Re: FSOL 'Lifeforms' and TD, KS Mark Filipak Sun 5/4/1997 3 KB 3475 Re: FSOL 'Lifeforms' and TD, KS PNaunton@a... Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 3575 Re: FSOL 'Lifeforms' and TD, KS Craig R. J. Cordrey Tue 5/6/1997 3 KB 3579 Re: FSOL 'Lifeforms' and TD, KS Vincent Goudreault Tue 5/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 3:50 pm Subject: Re: CF's signature sound? Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Fri, 2 May 1997 17:16:15 -0400 (EDT) tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > >On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:39:53 -0700 tadream mailing list > wrote: > >>> Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.' >>> >>> I've been a CF fan for no more than a year (I got to know him via >>> Babylon 5), and I'm kind of surprised/pleased by this 'signature >>> sound'. Pretty good idea, me thinks. >>> >>> I'd like to know one thing about this: when did he begin 'signing' like >>> this? I've heard the sound as far back as 'Logos' (alas, I don't have >>> most of the older albums). But was it a signature by that time, or he >>> decided later to use it as such? > >The sound appears on 'Encore', but I'm not sure which track. > >Dennis I've found it, it's on 'Monolight', just after a somewhat 'blurred' ambient passage, and just before the drums set in. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 8:23 pm Subject: TD related Quiz from Cue Records Really-From: ajogon@m... Cue Records NL started a new Quiz, this time with a few questions about Chris Franke. I think the answers are very easy to any TD fan, so guys if you want to be a candidate to a free CD, go to http://mcs.nl/cue/cue_quiz.html And also look for the name of last Quiz winner. Perhaps you'd like to congratulate him ;-) Antonio 'Lucky' Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 8:10 pm Subject: Re: CF's signature sound? Really-From: ajogon@m... Dennis Nigbur wrote: >The sound appears on 'Encore', but I'm not sure which track. It's on Monolight at 3'12'. And CF also didn't forget to 'sign' his recent Babylon 5 Vol.2. You can hear that 'funny' sound on track 2 (Messages from Earth) at 8'59'. Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 9:39 am Subject: Re: Screaming fans! Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 08:32 AM 5/3/97 GMT, you wrote: >Really-From: Paul Nagle > > >On Fri, 2 May 1997 20:08:42 +0100, tadream@c... (tadream mailing >list) wrote: > >>>Well? >>John, Paul, are you up for it? We're game for a laugh! :) >I'm up for anything. Either I'm at a funny age or it's my hormones. >What we talking about? >8-) >Paul About organizing a monster MEGA e-music concert (a la EMMA) in America, forgoodnessakes, Paul! Take your head out of the Theremin and come up for air from time to time. :-) :-) Your adoring fans are clamoring for your attention and you are neglecting them. Sheeeshhh.... :-) :-) (I am being funny, yes?). Andrew P.S. Anyone who has never heard Clara Rockmore play Rachmaninov's 'Vocalise' doesn't know diddly about e-music! >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- > Paul Nagle - paul@s... > www.softroom.demon.co.uk >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3421 Re: Screaming fans! Paul Nagle Sat 5/3/1997 3 KB 3430 Re: Screaming fans! Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 5/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 4:11 pm Subject: RE: Voiceprint Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >>Really-From: Vic Rek >>>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >>>You at EMMA, John and Paul at Jodrell.. sheeeshh.... why don't you >>>all get together for a mega Atlanta concert? I can guarantee several >>>hundred of my personal friends would be there stomping and >>>cheering. >> I'd be there. Why don't you have it at the Variety Playhouse in Little 5 >>Points? >That would do it. Although I am from Birmingham.... where all we >could accommodate is about 45,000 spectators, like we did >with Pink Floyd. Santana brought only a few thousand to the >Amphiteatre. Here's my idea for us snubbed Southerners (actually I'm from Illinois, but I've lived here almost 10 years... 13 if you count my time in Dallas, TX): TD gives an outdoor performance at Stone Mountain in front of the carving. The lasershow equipment is already there; I believe sound system hookups are a cinch as well. All they would need are chairs. Does anyone else who's been to SM agree? Second choice: TD at the FOX! 'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 4:25 pm Subject: RE: FSOL 'Lifeforms' and TD, KS Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: Mark Filipak >I think FSOL sampled everything on the planet except possibly my urine >(not sure) for 'Lifeforms.' Is 'Schulze' Klaus Schulze? Who else? > >I've heard that TD samples are throughout 'Lifeforms' but you can't >recognize them. I no longer have this CD (for some reason it annoyed the hell out of me), but in one song there is a blatent grab from Canyon Dreams. Not a quick sound sample, but the melody. 'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 4:52 pm Subject: Re: beans, tangents and silva screen cds Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > > > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > > ... > > > -- Excuse my ignorance but who, pray tell, is Ford Thaxton? and > > > what is his source of information? What I posted about these CDs > > > is that some ** have already gone out of print ** based on direct > > > discussions with staff (and the computer) at Tower, HMV and Virgin. > > I concur with what Lars says and have had such personal experiences with > store personnel and distributors also. > > > Well, first off, Ford Thaxton is a CD (soundtrack) producer. ... > > Your boss? No, not my boss. He has worked with us (SuperTracksInternational) on several occasions (And I consider him a friend). > > > ... So, now you know who Ford is, now you know you were wrong. > > How was Lars wrong, Dano? -- Mark Lars stated: Perhaps I am wrong, > but I think you are giving people a false sense of security about these > things... That's what he was wrong about. I am not giving people a false sense of anything. I'm merely stating the facts as Ford has relayed them to me. That's all. regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 12:42 pm Subject: Phil's Poll Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) I've always been a believer that 'if you're gonna collect, COLLECT ! I have : Dream Sequence TD - The Collection Dawn 'til Dusk Private Music of TD TD - collection - Three CD's on gold disks ( does this constitute a compilation ? ) TD - Collectors Edition - Three CD's The Story of TD - two disk set Atmospherics Book of Dreams Promo disk for Tangents Tangents Dream Roots Collection Tangerine Dream - an import from Holland, 6 tracks on Disky Solo - EF The Brick - if you're gonna collect, COLLECT ! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3419 Re: Phil's Poll Steve Grace Sat 5/3/1997 2 KB 3973 Re: Phil's Poll Tdune@a... Sat 5/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 5:36 pm Subject: Re: Phil's Poll Really-From: sgrace@i... (Steve Grace) I have The Collection, Dream Sequence, Tangents, and Beyond the Storm. Steve -------------------------------------- Steve Grace Home Page: http://www.ioc.net/~sgrace/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 5:40 pm Subject: RE: Voiceprint Really-From: Vic Rek At 12:11 PM 5/3/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Jim Moore >>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >>>Really-From: Vic Rek >>>>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >>>>You at EMMA, John and Paul at Jodrell.. sheeeshh.... why don't you >>>>all get together for a mega Atlanta concert? I can guarantee several >>>>hundred of my personal friends would be there stomping and >>>>cheering. >>> I'd be there. Why don't you have it at the Variety Playhouse in Little 5 >>>Points? >>That would do it. Although I am from Birmingham.... where all we >>could accommodate is about 45,000 spectators, like we did >>with Pink Floyd. Santana brought only a few thousand to the >>Amphiteatre. > >Here's my idea for us snubbed Southerners (actually I'm from >Illinois, but I've lived here almost 10 years... 13 if you count >my time in Dallas, TX): TD gives an outdoor performance >at Stone Mountain in front of the carving. The lasershow >equipment is already there; I believe sound system hookups >are a cinch as well. All they would need are chairs. Does anyone >else who's been to SM agree? Great idea (for the lasers in place), but too many red necks would wander in wondering what the hell was going on? > >Second choice: TD at the FOX! > Great choice! Close to all the great bars in Buckhead!! Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 2:00 am Subject: Re: Screaming fans! Really-From: Paul Nagle On Sat, 03 May 1997 09:39:10, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >About organizing a monster MEGA e-music concert (a la EMMA) in >America, forgoodnessakes, Paul! Take your head out of the >Theremin and come up for air from time to time. :-) :-) Your adoring >fans (what - both of them?) >are clamoring for your attention and you are neglecting them. >Sheeeshhh.... :-) :-) (I am being funny, yes?). Sorry - I've been unknowingly unsubscribed for a week or so..... As for an EMMA concert - I don't think they'd allow me to play..... not sure why.....I've tried to get on the bill for the last four years with no success.... 8-( Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3430 Re: Screaming fans! Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 5/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 8:10 pm Subject: Re: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND ( What version ?) Really-From: TangerineC@a... I have the 1 cd version of the remastered Poland. It sounds beautiful!!! Better than the Relativity release. I do miss those 5 minutes though. The opening minutes of the first track (after the introduction), are so thunderous, it feels as if they are actually playing it in my room. I highly recomend it. If you have the 2 cd release,keep it for those cut 5 minutes, but i highly recomend the Castle release. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3426 Re: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND ( What version ?) Francisco Salgado C. Sat 5/3/1997 2 KB 3428 Re: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND ( What version ?) Cloudless3@a... Sat 5/3/1997 2 KB 3449 Re: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND ( What version ?) Mark Filipak Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 9:04 pm Subject: phil's poll again Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> OK Phil You want me to be more specific for your poll? Here, count on this sport :-) Dream Sequence - CD & vinyl In The Beginning - vinyl (the original limited edition box set not the cheesy Jive reissue, number 486/5000) Beyond The Storm - CD Private Music Of - CD & vinyl Tangents - CD Dream Roots - CD + one used copy to sell, anyone interested? 70-80 - vinyl (but would like it on CDR, hint hint) Book Of Dreams - CD The Collection - CD & vinyl Froese 74-79 - vinyl Collected Endings -- this is NOT a comp, it is a concert BOOT! please remove it from your poll! From Dusk'Til Dawn - CD Dream Music - CD Electronic Dreams - vinyl Story of Tangerine Dream -- CD The Brick -- not yet but soon (I still think/know we are forgetting something here...) Then there are these private/pirate comps that you should also count but since I don't own any boots or pirates, I don't have these ;-) 70/90 Soundtrax Songs and Singles Rare Trax 1 Rare Trax 2 Mystery Tracks 1 Mystery Tracks 2 / Sol et Luna (there must be more of these?) and before someone says it: sorry, 'V' and 'Ossiach Live' are samplers which include TD not comps; mea culpa. Maybe we need a separate list of those also?? (no, not mea culpas, samplers) crazy lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3477 Re: phil's poll again PNaunton@a... Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 9:33 pm Subject: Re: Tangram Remastered? Really-From: Robrann@a... Yes - Sounds great ! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 7:17 pm Subject: help Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> HELP PLEASE I didn't receive any mail today--not even the digest!! Is it cs.uwp.edu or is it this fucking compuserve?! Can someone please send me Saturday's digest #908?? Thanks. And can someone please send me a test message? Lars (yes I will do a 'who' -- but it is more than that!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7120 help José =?iso Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 9:41 pm Subject: Re: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND ( What version ?) Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > I have the 1 cd version of the remastered Poland. It sounds beautiful!!! (...) > recomend it. If you have the 2 cd release,keep it for those cut 5 minutes, > but i highly recomend the Castle release. Wellcome to the club, I had the former 1 CD version and I was thinking of buying the 2-CD version. Well, after hearng the new master sound I forgot about hose 5 minutes and bougth it. I rcommend to buy it istead of the 2-CD version, which is an old master. I agree the begining is fabulous, full of thunder, it sakes your intestines like hell. ---FSC From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 10:03 pm Subject: Re: Cd's on order Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Kim Pedersen > > Could anyone review these cd's i have ordered from Ranjit: > 1) Burkhardt, M/Schmoelling, J - (Der) Zaubergeiger ... [Ger./CD] $ 21.95 I don't have it > 2) Froese, Edgar - Kamikaze 1989 [USA/CD] ........................ $ 14.95 I like it, but not the bset of Edgar. > 3) Tangerine Dream - 20th Century Serenades [Germany/CD] ......... $ 24.95 01.08.87 Berlin Reichstag Part II '20th Century Serenades' Not so good. Antarktis is much better. Bad Tangram version. Only good in the abstract sound moments. very thin audio. (01.08.87 Berlin Reichstag Part I + 3 tr.Bristol 6.11.90 'Antarktis' ) > 4) Tangerine Dream - Ardem 'O' [Germany/CD] ...................... $ 24.95 29.08.88 Columbus 'Live in the USA 1988 Part I - Ardem-O' Very good sound quality. from a fan tape. Someone I don't remember told here that the fan tape was better. > 5) Tangerine Dream - Coefficient Of Aural Expansion [Europe/CD] .. $ 39.95 Live from The Royal Alber Hall, London, april, 2, 1975 Very good sound recording. > 6) T D - Coefficient Of Aural Expansion Part 2 [Europe/LtdEdCD-R] $ 39.95 I don't have it... I suppose it's same sound quality but... > 7) Tangerine Dream - Collected Endings [Germany/CD] .............. $ 24.95 ( Me-rad encore, Ardem-o part two, Ardem-o Ending) Very good. except in Ardem-o Ending where there is a lot of left side severe dropouts ( one of it more then 1 minut long) > 8) Tangerine Dream - Rockoon [USA/SplEdCD-single] ................ $ 9.95 Official release, single. I dont have it, although I suppose this theme is contained in the long play CD. > 9) Tangerine Dream - Shepherd's Bush [UK/LtdEd2TrkCD] ............ $ 18.95 I don't have it. Dont buy it, look instead for Persistence of Vision, a anti-bootleg distribution of that concert plus 4 extra unreleased tracks. total time 186 min No charge, only trade. > 10) Tangerine Dream - Sol Et Luna (Mystery Tracks II) [Germany/CD] $ 24.95 I don't have it > 11) Tangerine Dream - 3 Tier Dream [UK/3CD] ...................... $ 89.95 Very good triple CD. Good sound quality in all the tree CD's > 12) Tangerine Dream - 3 Tier Dream On! [UK/CD] ................... $ 22.95 Good too. Well, since maybe there are some others here willing to know about this I'll posted here. ---FSC From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 10:28 pm Subject: Re: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND ( What version ?) Really-From: Cloudless3@a... unsubscribe tadream From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 9:28 am Subject: Oasis Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >So, Hilmar, you really believe this is the way forward? I >think this has more in common with Rockoon that Goblin's >Club, perhaps because, as far as I'm concerned, most of the >tracks must have been written and even recorded around that >time. Craig, so I guess you wanna pick a fight? :-) Actually, I can see a lot of your points. I even agree: Surely this album is not a gigantic leap into a bold new direction... in fact it might indeed be a step backward from a certain point of view. But at the same time it is a step forward from another point of view (I'll explain below). At any rate, I believe Oasis is very different from Goblins as well as Rockoon. And I still believe it is more different from those 2 albums than they are different from each other. Which was the point of the discussion we had: that after a chain of albums of 'sameness' here comes something different. Now, about Oasis. I'm afraid the main 'big difference' is one that can only be described from a personal point of view, but it seems some others on the list feel the same way: Personally, this is the first TD album in many many years that satisfies me on all musical levels. In fact, Oasis is the one album to finally unite in one release all those elements I like about TD while at the same time avoiding those things that have begun to annoy me with many of the recent releases. To me, that is the step forward I was describing...nothing more, nothing less. - it has the overall mood of Canyon Dreams, but sounds much more 90's and up to date, so it is much more than just a 'Canyon Dreams II' - it uses some of those great samples that we get to hear on Goblins Club - it uses sequencers much more in the 'seventies' way, creating a more flowing sound - most importantly: stays in a single mood in one track (unlike Goblins Club which sometimes crams 4 songs into one) - has the 'Dream Mixes' signature, with the 'dance' aspect less pronounced and the 'trance' aspect still existing. What I mean is: Dream Mixes was such a great album, and this is sort of a 'Dream Mixes' slowed-down. - avoids the many overly-used preset sounds that were so typical of Rockoon and the albums following it. - no sax! I don't know how this album can remind you more of Rockoon, especially when there is no guitar. And I absolutely don't think they could have recorded this in 1992. Composition of some ideas, maybe. But the way it is executed here, it is obvious that they were building on ideas created over the last 2 or 3 years. About the backwards factor: Like I said, it is there. But I think they may have rather taken one step down from their 'tower' of music in order to build a new, different floor. Sometimes that is necessary: Maybe it was impossible to build another level past Goblins, so they had to go one step back to go another step forward. Have a listen to Oxygene 7-13. Definitely a step back for JMJarre to more traditional composing styles of the seventies, but with nineties sounds, techno influence, digital instruments etc. Out came what is probably the best Jarre album in 10 years. My point: maybe it is impossible to really 'step back'. There is no direction on the compass of music that corresponds to true 180 degrees. To sum up: Oasis may indeed not be a huge step into a new direction, but is gives me hope for the first time that TD might finally be 'on to something' Hilmar PS: What exactly is so bad about Track 6 that makes you almost want to throw up? NP: Dream Command - Fire On The Moon (Comsat Angels) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3581 Re: Oasis Craig R. J. Cordrey Tue 5/6/1997 5 KB 3599 Re: Oasis TangerineC@a... Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB 4906 Oasis Phil Vendy Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4926 Re: Oasis Jens Peschke Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 5088 Re: Oasis Hilmar Kraft Tue 6/17/1997 2 KB 5098 Re: Oasis Sean Montgomery Tue 6/17/1997 2 KB 8447 Oasis Rich Maggio Thu 11/6/1997 4 KB 9135 Oasis neil vanlaten Fri 11/28/1997 3 KB 9149 Re: Oasis Francisco Salgado C. Sat 11/29/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 6:15 pm Subject: Re: Screaming fans! Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 07:00 PM 5/3/97 GMT, you wrote: >Really-From: Paul Nagle > > >On Sat, 03 May 1997 09:39:10, tadream@c... (tadream mailing >list) wrote: >>About organizing a monster MEGA e-music concert (a la EMMA) in >>America, forgoodnessakes, Paul! Take your head out of the >>Theremin and come up for air from time to time. :-) :-) Your adoring >>fans >(what - both of them?) >>are clamoring for your attention and you are neglecting them. >>Sheeeshhh.... :-) :-) (I am being funny, yes?). >Sorry - I've been unknowingly unsubscribed for a week or so..... > >As for an EMMA concert - I don't think they'd allow me to play..... >not sure why.....I've tried to get on the bill for the last four years >with no success.... >8-( >Paul Seriously, now....this I don't understand, you all seem to be very compatible musically. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 11:52 pm Subject: Re: JMJ Really-From: Mark Jones Can anyone suggest a TD tune that we would want 7 different mixes of???? > Mixes? Not any offhand. I had a mixed reaction (oog, sorry) to the Dream Mixes. I loved the original material, and was kind of 'ehhh ... ' on the remixes of previously-released material. That's me, though. I would be interested to see variations and explorations of Museum Walk, The Big Sleep in Search of Hades, and Sequent C'. -- Mark J. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 3:26 am Subject: CD reviews Really-From: AslanFan1@a... I can't send reviews each week, so I'm throwing a few together here. Hope nobody minds. RUMPELSTILTSKIN *** This appears to be nothing more than background noise at first, but in further listenings, I enjoyed the origianl music. The tracks are very mellow--nearly no percussion at all. It's very moody with a fair amount of solo piano stuff. While it's not going to change the world, I think it's one that devoted fans will appreciate hearing. Thanks to all on this list who responded to the completly surprising stock I discovered. I'm glad that through this list a number of fans were able to find what's pretty much nonexistent in the stores anymore. The members of this list are really great about sharing the info about new releases. It's the only list I look forward to reading. OASIS NA I'm still waiting for it to arrive, so I can't comment. I hope I like it better than Canyon Dreams, which is one of my least favorite releases of TD. TOUR SINGLE *** The second remix of Das Maedchen . . . on the tour single is very cool. Yup, I like the Dream Mixes sound a lot, and that's what it reminds me of. Although you can hear White Eagle in there, it's quite revamped from the earlier ep, and IMHO, much more interesting now. The extra track on the tour single isn't as compelling. It'a bit repetitive after 9 mins and could use a little more variety, but it's still new TD music. QUINOA ***1/2 I finally heard this from the Mystery Tracks 1 CD. Alhough it doesn't always sound like it was finished (a couple of patches sounds demo-ish, especially the sax sound) and there's a Two Bunch Palms primitive precursor, it's overall really quite a fun ride. And it's a long track (28+mins)! I for one miss the album-side songs. I'd love TD to do a CD that runs 76 mins continuously. (indexing would be essential, though!) Lots of new melodies and riffs. Definitely worth spending a little extra and adding to the collection. Anyone able to comment on the Goblins Club extra track, please??? MOAN ALERT. Years ago, I had a realy cool shirt from the 1986 North AMerica tour. One day, it disappeared. I looked everywhere, but couldn't find it. Major letdown. Years later, my brother shows up for a family reunion wearing it. AUGH! He said he didn't know where he got it but he thought it was so cool, he wore holes in it. DAMN! I'm rambling. Sorry. Bu bye now. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3436 Re: CD reviews Vic Rek Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:01 am Subject: Re: Silva's out of print CD's...not to worry Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-01 23:52:12 EDT, Dano writes: << If you have a hard time finding these Cd's contact Super Collector at 714-839-3693. They have these titles at very reasonable prices. If they don't have them, call Dave Minton at 1-800-cdtapes. I highly recommend Dave's mail order services as well. regards, Dano >> I've never heard of these guys before. Do you have any other information on them? Experience? Types of stuff you've gotten from them? Etc.? Thanks in advance, Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:02 am Subject: Re: D: Oasis Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-01 17:10:54 EDT, you write: << Cedar Breaks (1AS) : Possibly the worst TD track ever! This really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really sucks!!!! I hate it! I want to physically cut it out of the disc! Awful! >> I haven't heard this, but from your description it would seem to deserve a '0' instead of a '1' or did we agree not to use a '0'? Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3469 Re: D: Oasis TangerineC@a... Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 4918 D: Oasis Dennis Nigbur Wed 6/11/1997 6 KB 4956 Re: D: Oasis Gabe Yedid Thu 6/12/1997 9 KB 5002 Re: D: Oasis Dennis Nigbur Fri 6/13/1997 3 KB 11276 D: Oasis Lawry Simm Sun 2/22/1998 6 KB 11280 Re: D: Oasis feldon@p... Sun 2/22/1998 4 KB 11298 Re: Oasis Jim Moore Sun 2/22/1998 3 KB 11309 Re: Oasis Mark Jones Mon 2/23/1998 6 KB 11351 Re: D: Oasis Dennis Nigbur Tue 2/24/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:02 am Subject: Re: WEIRD LAWS 7 Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-01 18:54:53 EDT, you write: << Maybe somebody with musical inclinations, dosen't like to be a passive listener and wants to participate... >> This reminds me of a Classical concert I attended some years ago. It contained some very lively music by Bach. I was sitting there really getting into it and I started 'conducting' with my right index finger while my hand rested on the arm of the row-chair. The tiers of seats were very steeply arranged and one could very easily get vertigo from looking almost straight down at the orchestra. Anyway, this guy behind me taps me on the shoulder and, pointing at my waving finger, says, ' Would you stop that? It's very annoying.' For a brief instant I imagined him tumbling head over heels down the gallery tiers, launching off the rail and into the mass of kettle drums far below. Instead I just said, 'Shhhhhh!' and muttered something incomprehensible in Russian ( I know about 20 words). Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:17 am Subject: Re: CD reviews Really-From: Vic Rek >I for one >miss the album-side songs. I'd love TD to do a CD that runs 76 mins >continuously. This would be great - but you can only count on Klaus for these ideas. >(indexing would be essential, though!) Why? This is a contradiction to what you were trying to convey, I think? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 11:08 pm Subject: Re: French comp - pink & virgin? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > ... [in response to Greg's post about this mystery comp] ... > > If your memory serves you well regarding 83, then this must have > > either been a b**t that listed separate tracks and not a compilation, > > or it was a pirate compilation that combined pink and virgin years. > > If anyone locates this disc, please post. -- Mark > > > > The cover, if I can remember, had a cover of a woman/design that was > computerized. This album was for sale at my local music store, and > oddly, this one did not fit. It sat for quite a while, until I bought > it--which I returned it because I disliked the music. My music store > usually stocks only the most recent of Tangerine Dream from labels > associated with New Age.. (Miramar..Private Music..Castle) > Maybe if I dig around at my music store's used section, I > might find it. I know this for certain though, this is not an album > listed on T-Dreams's Discography! The reason this is significant: To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a legitimate release that combined pink and virgin period material. That's why I believe that if this does exist, it must be a pirate. Hopefully, I shall resolve this. Cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 11:02 pm Subject: Re: Screaming fans! Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Paul Nagle > ... > As for an EMMA concert - I don't think they'd allow me to play..... > not sure why.....I've tried to get on the bill for the last four years > with no success.... > 8-( > Paul Huh? David Hughes tells me that the EMMA organizers are having to scramble to get acts. What's wrong with this picture? (David?) -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 10:10 pm Subject: Re: FSOL 'Lifeforms' and TD, KS Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Jim Moore > > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >I think FSOL sampled everything on the planet except possibly my urine > >(not sure) for 'Lifeforms.' Is 'Schulze' Klaus Schulze? Who else? > > > >I've heard that TD samples are throughout 'Lifeforms' but you can't > >recognize them. > > I no longer have this CD (for some reason it annoyed the hell out of > me), ... Yes! Me too. I think FSOL is one of those collaborations for which I'd like to follow the members into the future. I think their music is a little immature right now (flamebait?), but they obviously have some good ideas and fresh views. Perhaps in a couple of years they'll be doing more smooth and unified productions without the impetuous jumpping around that their music does now. > ... but in one song there is a blatent grab from Canyon Dreams. Fraudulent Sounds of London? Send your flames to me. -- Mark (just finished a steam/electric generator and hooked it up to the PG&E grid, so now I can make money using the flames) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 3, 1997 10:59 pm Subject: TD Soundtracks: Getting rare? -- Caveat Emptor Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > > > > > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > > > > > > > > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > > > > > > > > > For those of you concerned about not finding any of the silva > > > > > CD's by TD (Shy People, Dead Solid Perfect, Park Is Mine, > > > > > Dream Music 1 & 2) Ford Thaxton assured me that they will be > > > > > around for a while. If you have a hard time finding these Cd's > > > > > contact Super Collector at 714-839-3693. They have these > > > > > titles at very reasonable prices. If they don't have them, > > > > > call Dave Minton at 1-800-cdtapes. I highly recommend Dave's > > > > > mail order services as well. > > > > ... > > > > -- Excuse my ignorance but who, pray tell, is Ford Thaxton? and > > > > what is his source of information? What I posted about these CDs > > > > is that some ** have already gone out of print ** based on direct > > > > discussions with staff (and the computer) at Tower, HMV and > > > > Virgin. > > > > I concur with what Lars says and have had such personal experiences > > with store personnel and distributors also. > > > > > Well, first off, Ford Thaxton is a CD (soundtrack) producer. ... > > > > Your boss? > > No, not my boss. He has worked with us (SuperTracksInternational) on > several occasions (And I consider him a friend). > > > > ... So, now you know who Ford is, now you know you were wrong. > > > > How was Lars wrong, Dano? -- Mark > > Lars stated: > > Perhaps I am wrong, > > but I think you are giving people a false sense of security about > > these things... > > That's what he was wrong about. I am not giving people a false sense of > anything. I'm merely stating the facts as Ford has relayed them to me. > That's all. Sounds like you're trying to be helpful to me. So we have two helpful people working to cross purposes. Well, caveat emptor folks. As for myself, I'm buying them when I see them, pluse extras for fellow listees. I have 'Heartbreakers' available to anyone who wants it. Of the non-SS soundtracks, I have 'Miracle Mile' (Private Music) and 'Kamikaze 1989' (Virgin, UK) available also. I bought these as trading stock for the benefit of the people on this list -- contact me off-list please. I check the stacks regularly and I know Lars does the same. Dispite what Ford Thaxton has to say, these are being seen less and less. Tower Records pulls their plastic dividers either when an album goes oop, or when it goes oop _and_ their distributors show zero stock (don't know), but these were pulled some time ago. The result is the same: you can't get these at Tower anymore and they cannot order it for you. Perhaps some small distributors do have some in warehouses, but perhaps they don't, or perhaps they don't supply _your_ area. My recommendation: If you know you want these soundtrack albums, you might as well get them now rather than later. If it's a matter of budget, put off buying that new Phaedra SBM, or that copy of the Poland 1-CD you've heard about, etc -- the main stream albums will be around for a while -- in favor of something you might not be able to get in the future. I think this is just being prudent and I think being prudent is what Lars had in mind. Regards to all. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3444 Re: TD Soundtracks: Getting rare? -- Caveat Empto Rakinik Intertype Sun 5/4/1997 7 KB 3450 Re: TD Soundtracks: Getting rare? -- Caveat Empto Mark Filipak Sun 5/4/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 6:18 am Subject: Long CDs & the use of indexes Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Vic Rek > > >I for one > >miss the album-side songs. I'd love TD to do a CD that runs 76 mins > >continuously. > > This would be great - but you can only count on Klaus for these ideas. > > >(indexing would be essential, though!) > > Why? This is a contradiction to what you were trying to convey, I > think? Think again Vic. Ever try to fast forward through 76 minutes of CD to get to the last little bit? I have a CD that's really one track, but they put indexes every 5 minutes to give you a jump forward/back capability. The indexes aren't even listed on the label. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3445 Re: Long CDs & the use of indexes Vic Rek Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 6:23 am Subject: Re: Silva's out of print CD's...not to worry Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-05-01 23:52:12 EDT, Dano writes: > > << If you have a > hard time finding these Cd's contact Super Collector at 714-839-3693. > They have these titles at very reasonable prices. If they don't have > them, call Dave Minton at 1-800-cdtapes. I highly recommend Dave's mail > order services as well. > > regards, > > Dano >> > > I've never heard of these guys before. Do you have any other > information on them? Experience? Types of stuff you've gotten from them? > Etc.? > > Thanks in advance, > > Phil Naunton Since I work for them I can do that, heh. This may sound like a commercial but here goes: Super Collector has been in business for over 4 years. We specialize in rare or out of print soundtracks, Japanimation, sci-fi toys & so forth (it's a pretty big store). We are also a reputable CD producer (current releases include Battlestar Galactica, Night of the Running Man, Kazaam, Space 1999, The Associate, DragonballZ and several others). Since we deal directly with Silva and Ford (their producer) we can get the silva titles easier than most distributors. Feel free to call us up if you'd like to order a catalog or if you just have any questions. All soundtrack related questions should be directed to me (Dan). We have all of the TD Silva titles in stock right now if you need any of them. regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 6:48 am Subject: Mark Filipak is Edgar's Cousin! Really-From: Vic Rek Hi Dreamers - This post is for entertainment only... (save it for some crazy day) After contemplating many posts over the months, I finally realized a fact that many of you casual readers didn't even have a clue about: Mark Filipak is Edgar's cousin!!! You probably wonder why I would spend the time to come up with the facts or why would I want to post this - well, answer this on your own time. I'm on a mission to turn this asbestos wearing friend of ours in! The first clue is totally obvious: 1. He always defends Edgar's marketing practices! - Ever notice a post about TD marketing? Who's the one to first and utmostly to respond? Protect your family. 2. The Helping Hand - Mark is a kind man, he leads disgruntled users to Majordomo after they've posted many times how lame they are in their inability to unsubscribe from the list after a barrage of posts. 3. He may even counsil member's pets on the benefits of TD - it's like TANG! 4. He likes art - Don't forget that he is doing the artwork for Presistence of Vision (POV). 4a. Let's not forget that all TD artwork is contained in the family. But Monique - I hope you're not in on this one, don't be offended. I'd hate to see a picture of Silicon Valley on the cover! or even a fake boob! 5. He's even making a discography - must be for Edgar's 'direction' to document what's going on with TD's releases and their labels these days! This is a tough job! So let's move on without pity... Next clues are subjective: 6. Mark said that he's from a Polish heritage. Well that's good enough for me. Edgar was born probably closer to the Polish border than he'd like to admit. A long run across that poppy field would yield many answers! 7. Mark thinks he's a vegetarian - but he still drinks milk. 8. If Purple Sensimilia (excuse mispelling) came their way - who would be the first to play 'Purple Haze'! 9. Remember when he first came onto this list? He had a footer posting an envelope being directly deposited into Edgar's lawyer's safe! I'm glad Klaus B. set him straight! 10. And he asks you these stupid questions like was PB/EF/CF or ??? on this release? Come on we know better! This must be a modern day reincarnation of the KGB. 11. Mark says he likes nature and has a musical bone in his ankle. Well, after getting stoned, I would suggest a session at the infamous TD Okeefenoke Swamp in south Georgia. That would be the ultimate TD fan trip I think. Then to 29 Palms, California for a guacamole feast (and a tattoo)! Anyone Interested? (Really, maybe someday!) Vic P.S. 'if you're still interested' a quote from Mark... 'Interesting. My father's side is from Poland -- ran an ice stadium, I think. I used to be a vegitarian until I started watching nature films. And I (used to?) get stoned. I have a musical bone in one ankle. Hell, who knows? Maybe I am related to Edgar. Follow the way with heart, Vic. Me, I think I'll go sit out in the desert at night a little.' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3447 Re: Mark Filipak is Edgar's Cousin! Rakinik Intertype Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:02 am Subject: Re: TD Soundtracks: Getting rare? -- Caveat Emptor Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > > > > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > > > > > > > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > > > > > > > > > > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > > > > > > > > > > > For those of you concerned about not finding any of the silva > > > > > > CD's by TD (Shy People, Dead Solid Perfect, Park Is Mine, > > > > > > Dream Music 1 & 2) Ford Thaxton assured me that they will be > > > > > > around for a while. If you have a hard time finding these Cd's > > > > > > contact Super Collector at 714-839-3693. They have these > > > > > > titles at very reasonable prices. If they don't have them, > > > > > > call Dave Minton at 1-800-cdtapes. I highly recommend Dave's > > > > > > mail order services as well. > > > > > ... > > > > > -- Excuse my ignorance but who, pray tell, is Ford Thaxton? and > > > > > what is his source of information? What I posted about these CDs > > > > > is that some ** have already gone out of print ** based on direct > > > > > discussions with staff (and the computer) at Tower, HMV and > > > > > Virgin. > > > > > > I concur with what Lars says and have had such personal experiences > > > with store personnel and distributors also. > > > > > > > Well, first off, Ford Thaxton is a CD (soundtrack) producer. ... > > > > > > Your boss? > > > > No, not my boss. He has worked with us (SuperTracksInternational) on > > several occasions (And I consider him a friend). > > > > > > ... So, now you know who Ford is, now you know you were wrong. > > > > > > How was Lars wrong, Dano? -- Mark > > > > Lars stated: > > > > Perhaps I am wrong, > > > but I think you are giving people a false sense of security about > > > these things... > > > > That's what he was wrong about. I am not giving people a false sense of > > anything. I'm merely stating the facts as Ford has relayed them to me. > > That's all. > > Sounds like you're trying to be helpful to me. So we have two helpful > people working to cross purposes. Well, caveat emptor folks. As for > myself, I'm buying them when I see them, pluse extras for fellow > listees. > > I have 'Heartbreakers' available to anyone who wants it. Of the non-SS > soundtracks, I have 'Miracle Mile' (Private Music) and 'Kamikaze 1989' > (Virgin, UK) available also. I bought these as trading stock for the > benefit of the people on this list -- contact me off-list please. > > I check the stacks regularly and I know Lars does the same. Dispite > what Ford Thaxton has to say, these are being seen less and less. Tower > Records pulls their plastic dividers either when an album goes oop, or > when it goes oop _and_ their distributors show zero stock (don't know), > but these were pulled some time ago. The result is the same: you can't > get these at Tower anymore and they cannot order it for you. Perhaps > some small distributors do have some in warehouses, but perhaps they > don't, or perhaps they don't supply _your_ area. > > My recommendation: If you know you want these soundtrack albums, you > might as well get them now rather than later. If it's a matter of > budget, put off buying that new Phaedra SBM, or that copy of the Poland > 1-CD you've heard about, etc -- the main stream albums will be around > for a while -- in favor of something you might not be able to get in the > future. I think this is just being prudent and I think being prudent is > what Lars had in mind. Regards to all. -- Mark I agree. Don't ever wait for a TD soundtrack. If you want it, grab it. You never know when that baby will be gone forever. Sometimes it takes forever for the CD to go back into print. Why aren't Tower Records ordering these CD's? Who knows. I can regularly get Transformers the Movie Soundtrack from my local record distributor but Tower and other CD stores almost NEVER carry it. WHo knows. Also, every Wherehouse Ent in the world must only have 5 copys of any TD album. That's all I ever see in those blasted pop stores...and it's always the last 5 newest releases from TD. And Wherehouse Ent wonders why it had to file for bankrupcy. In any case, if you need these soundtracks call Super Collector at 714-839-3693: Shy People ($17) Dead Solid Perfect ($17) Risky Business ($20) Thief (definitive U.K.)($20) Heartbreakers ($17) Legend ($17) Miacle Mile ($15) Zoning ($20) Park Is Mine ($16) Wavelength ($16) 3 O Clock High ($16) Near Dark (Both Varese & Silva Versions) ($17) Firestarter ($12) Sorcerer ($12) Deadly Care ($16) Catch Me If You Can is out of print here in the states, but is supposedly still in print in the U.K. If someone is desperate I can probably find a copy for $20. Now I know I'm plugging our business to be helpful....but I'd prefer you to purchase from Mark since he made the offer first. If we have something no one in the NG has, feel free to call us. Now, onward heh,, regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:08 am Subject: Re: Long CDs & the use of indexes Really-From: Vic Rek Again - notice Mark's defense. I listen to listen, not to fast forward... But I do like indexes, which has nothing to do with the length of the track. Keep it going Klaus! Vic >> >I for one >> >miss the album-side songs. I'd love TD to do a CD that runs 76 mins >> >continuously. >> >> This would be great - but you can only count on Klaus for these ideas. >> >> >(indexing would be essential, though!) >> >> Why? This is a contradiction to what you were trying to convey, I >> think? > >Think again Vic. Ever try to fast forward through 76 minutes of CD to >get to the last little bit? > >I have a CD that's really one track, but they put indexes every 5 >minutes to give you a jump forward/back capability. The indexes aren't >even listed on the label. -- Mark > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:06 am Subject: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L'affaire Wallraff?' Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > ... > Since I work for them I can do that, heh. This may sound like a > commercial but here goes: Super Collector has been in business for > over 4 years. We specialize in rare or out of print soundtracks ... Hi Dano. Since you work for these guys, how about getting me about 10 or 20 copies of 'L'affaire Wallraff?' It was released by EMI France in 1991. Thanks in advance. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3461 Re: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L Rakinik Intertype Sun 5/4/1997 3 KB 3494 Re: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L Mark Filipak Mon 5/5/1997 3 KB 3508 Re: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L Rakinik Intertype Mon 5/5/1997 3 KB 3552 Re: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L PNaunton@a... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3559 What's 'Kaleidoscope?' Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB 3565 Re: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L Plumer, Scott Tue 5/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:25 am Subject: Re: Mark Filipak is Edgar's Cousin! Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > That would be the ultimate TD fan trip I > think. Then to 29 Palms, California for a guacamole feast (and a tattoo)! > > Anyone Interested? (Really, maybe someday!) > > Vic > Ahhhhhhh!!! No! Go Back! I lived in the desert near 29 Palms for many years! It's too hot! Heh. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 4:12 pm Subject: Re: JMJ Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Jones > > Can anyone suggest a TD tune that we would want 7 different mixes of???? > > Yeah just about everything they have done since Live Miles. I think Dream Mixes is better then the original material. For a few years now TD have fallen in to the AOR trap. To me Dream Mixes is nearer to the virgin years (it kicks ass). Dont get me wrong I have enjoyed the music of the last few years but rarely has it got me exited, untill Dream Mixes. A little dissapointed with the video though. Gaza Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15120 JMJ Lawry Simm Mon 6/29/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 8:01 am Subject: Re: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND ( What version ?) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > ... I had the former 1 CD version and I was thinking > of buying the 2-CD version. Well, after hearng the new master sound I > forgot about hose 5 minutes and bougth it. ... > > ---FSC If Francisco recommends it, then it looks like I'll be grabbing this sucker when I have the spare change. That's after I score my 10 copies of 'L'affaire Wallraff' of course. ;-) -- Mark (not related to EF) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 8:18 am Subject: Re: TD Soundtracks: Getting rare? -- Caveat Emptor Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > ... > > I have 'Heartbreakers' available to anyone who wants it. Of the > > non-SS soundtracks, I have 'Miracle Mile' (Private Music) and > > 'Kamikaze 1989' (Virgin, UK) available also. I bought these as > > trading stock for the benefit of the people on this list -- contact > > me off-list please. ... > > if you need these soundtracks call Super Collector at > 714-839-3693: > > Shy People ($17) > Dead Solid Perfect ($17) > Risky Business ($20) > Thief (definitive U.K.)($20) > Heartbreakers ($17) > Legend ($17) > Miacle Mile ($15) > Zoning ($20) > Park Is Mine ($16) > Wavelength ($16) > 3 O Clock High ($16) > Near Dark (Both Varese & Silva Versions) ($17) > Firestarter ($12) > Sorcerer ($12) > Deadly Care ($16) > > Catch Me If You Can is out of print here in the states, but is > supposedly still in print in the U.K. If someone is desperate I can > probably find a copy for $20. > > Now I know I'm plugging our business to be helpful....but I'd prefer > you to purchase from Mark since he made the offer first. If we have > something no one in the NG has, feel free to call us. Now, onward heh, Thanks for the plug, Dano. But 'Heartbreakers,' 'Miracle Mile,' and 'Kamikaze 1989' aren't for sale, they're for trade. Anyone who has some sorry CD laying around they want to get rid of can trade it for one of these suckers. I also have 'The London Concert' (still sealed) and, if Jeff Bergman doesn't want it, 'Wuivend Riet' for trade. Cheers. -- Mark (geez, if I was related to EF, I'd be in Germany right now working on the E-Ball or something!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 8:24 am Subject: Near Dark Really-From: TangerineC@a... Is there a difference between the Varese release and the Silva Screen realease? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3452 Re: Near Dark Mark Filipak Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 3462 Re: Near Dark Rakinik Intertype Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 13803 Near Dark Michael A Jean Thu 5/21/1998 2 KB 19566 Near Dark Steve Yensen Fri 12/3/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 8:52 am Subject: Re: Near Dark Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > Is there a difference between the Varese release and the Silva Screen > realease? I'll be curious to see the responses, but I think the only difference is the cover. The US releases have a special effects photo and the UK releases have a painting. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 9:44 am Subject: EMMA lock-outs + CF signature sound Really-From: ashok prema Paul Nagle write: ''From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 19:00:18 GMT Subject: Re: Screaming fans! Really-From: Paul Nagle As for an EMMA concert - I don't think they'd allow me to play..... not sure why.....I've tried to get on the bill for the last four years with no success.... 8-( Paul '' Me too!! Some of us old stalwarts don't get a look in nowadays!! Maybe someone thinks we're has-beens? (were that true! - I never really made an impact inmy earlier days ) Pearls before swine perhaps?? (not meant in any derogatory fashion whatsoever ) Fianlly that Chris Franke 'signature' is a KLAXON sound - let us now be specific!. It was used regularly within their live sets around the 77 era - and CF would smile at the others at this point - in joke thing! Ash Prema From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 11:33 am Subject: The Truth About Vic Rek Really-From: Mark Filipak Vic Rek's been makin' up stories about me. Well I have some stuff on him but unlike his trash talk, this is all true! Vic lives quite near to Atlanta and is very civic minded. When he was in high school, he did a combined history/biology science fair project on gastro-intestinal disorders and called it 'Gone with the Wind.' Vic's such an aggressive entreprenuer that when he heard the Olympics was going to be in Atlanta, he applied to put a Chapstick concession across the street from the ski jump area. As any girl around Atlanta will tell you, Vic is a big back seat sports enthusiast. But I heard that Vic once turned down a complimentary ticket to a Brave's game because he had to do his laundry. Vic's very sensitive to other people's feelings. When he's with friends, he claims not to like grits. But if he thinks no-one is looking, he puts MILK & SUGAR on them! Jimmy Carter's first Habitat for Humanity went up in Vic's home town. Vic picketed the construction site in the mistaken belief that it threatened the home of the endangered Budweiser. Vic comes from a real red blooded American business family. For example, Vic's uncle invented instant-hardening concrete. Unfortunately, he had to declare bankruptcy after his first customer sued him for the cost of 10 cement mixers. But the pride of the family is Vic's dad. He owns the travel agency that Jane Fonda used for all her travels. Texans don't know how to barbeque, and neither do Aussies. Just ask Vic. He invented the world's only self starting barbeque sauce. He plans to copyright his recipe and license it out as soon as he gets out of the hospital. Yes, I just can't say enough about Vic. He's famous in Georgia. Why, people as far away as Macon know about Vic. And he'll probably get even more famous, assuming of course that the cops in Atlanta don't find out. Just thought you'd all like to know what an exceptional person he is. -- Mark (roast Vic for dinner, come and get it!) PS (TD content): Vic actually joined the tadream list by mistake. He'd heard all about the illicit 'action' on the net in bible studies, but he's a little near sighted. He thought he was subscribing to the tawdry list. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3486 Re: The Truth About Vic Rek Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 3500 Re: The Truth About Vic Rek Mark Filipak Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 12:45 pm Subject: 'Fort worth runway one' review Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: AslanFan1@a... > > Anyone able to comment on the Goblins Club extra track, please??? The new track 'Fort worth runway one' replaced 'Elf June and the midnight patrol' with was the only track co-composed by Linda Spa on 'Goblin Club'. On the fotos of the new 'Goblin Club'-CD Linda was eleminated. The new track consists of 6 parts: 0:00 - 0:56 ´dialogue´ a dialogue (airplane pilot and tower atmosphere) with some slow harmonies. 0:57 - 1:38 ´departure´ slow harmonies and sounds (floating) 1:39 - 3:42 ´main theme´ E Froese typical sequences, some drums and a slow, nice melody which includes more harmonies than single notes. The main theme is played two times with a noiseless break. The rhythm could be described as 'driving'. 3:43 - 4:11 ´departure´ it´s similiar to the second part -variation 4:12-6:31 ´main theme´ 6:32-6:42 ´end´ fade out They use no guitar and sax. I like the 'driving' main theme very much. The track was played during the tour in Hanover/Germany. Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 12:59 pm Subject: Cedar Breaks Really-From: Armin Theissen ><< Cedar Breaks (1AS) : Possibly the worst TD track ever! This > really, really, really, really, really, really, really, > really, really, really sucks!!!! I hate it! I want to > physically cut it out of the disc! Awful! > >> > > I haven't heard this, but from your description it would seem to >deserve a '0' instead of a '1' or did we agree not to use a '0'? > >Phil Naunton > Go and see http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen/tarank.html to find out what the numbers mean. But honestly, I like 'Cedar Breaks'. This is the only-string tune on Oasis, after 'Waterbourne', right? It makes a nice contrast to Waterbourne, and is somehow like 'Mysterious...' from Phaedra, but with a synth string sound (a good one!) instead of Mellotron. It may also be, however, that I've got to listen to it several more times - it may annoy me very soon. Armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 `Live is complex - it has a real and an imaginary part!' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5383 Cedar Breaks Gabe Yedid Thu 6/26/1997 2 KB 11410 Re: Cedar Breaks Francisco Salgado C. Wed 2/25/1998 2 KB 11419 Re: Cedar Breaks Greg Heil Wed 2/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 2:35 pm Subject: CoAE II Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) OK, you guys convinced me to spend the money for Coefficient of Aural Expansion II. I just checked Progtron (which has finally been updated) and it's not listed anymore! Also gone is Spherical Harmonics Two. Unfortunately, these items are disappearing faster than I can save for them (also talking about Danger Live, Live! Improvised!). As someone just said about the soundtracks...if you see it and can afford now then buy it NOW. Do not wait!! Is there another source for these???? Thanks, Larry (always dragging my feet) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 2:23 pm Subject: TD singles Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> WANTED Tangerine Dream Singles (vinyl or CD) I will buy or trade Please send me--privately--your trade/sell/tease lists :-) Lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 2:23 pm Subject: addition to phil's poll Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Phil and dreamers Yes, we did forget a compilation in the poll, that is the untitled (or simply titled 'TD') compilation which includes all of Phaedra plus Rubycon part 1 and Stratosfear and that came out last november. So mark me down for this one too. (I can get them here for $12 each!!!) Crazy Lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 3:50 pm Subject: Linda Spa Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > >The new track 'Fort worth runway one' replaced 'Elf June and the midnight >patrol' with was the only track co-composed by Linda Spa on 'Goblin Club'. >On the fotos of the new 'Goblin Club'-CD Linda was eleminated. > >Jens > This is *so* cruel! I think I'll do a Linda Spa Fan Web Page. She should know that there are people out there who love her! Armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 `Live is complex - it has a real and an imaginary part!' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3473 Re: Linda Spa Robert Grabowsky Sun 5/4/1997 3 KB 3479 Re: Linda Spa Mark Filipak Sun 5/4/1997 3 KB 3517 Re: Linda Spa Grant Middleton Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3525 Re: Linda Spa PNaunton@a... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3549 Re: Linda Spa ajogon@m... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3568 Re: Linda Spa Mark Filipak Tue 5/6/1997 4 KB 3595 Re: Linda Spa Dennis Nigbur Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB 25752 Linda Spa David Foster Sun 1/21/2001 2 KB 25753 Re: Linda Spa Feldon Feldon Sun 1/21/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:15 pm Subject: Re: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L'affaire Wallraff?' Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > ... > > Since I work for them I can do that, heh. This may sound like a > > commercial but here goes: Super Collector has been in business for > > over 4 years. We specialize in rare or out of print soundtracks ... > > Hi Dano. Since you work for these guys, how about getting me about 10 > or 20 copies of 'L'affaire Wallraff?' It was released by EMI France in > 1991. > > Thanks in advance. -- Mark Ewwww....a challenge heh heh. Man Inside is one of the tougher one's to find. I can get them, however. The question is...how much do you want to pay for them? Since I can sell them for at least $50 each retail...I'm assuming you want to pay at least this amount for each? regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:17 pm Subject: Re: Near Dark Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > Is there a difference between the Varese release and the Silva Screen > realease? No difference other than the cover of the CD. The Silva cover features a painting of Severin (think it's Severin) with sunrays going through his body while the Varese is a boring photo of Bill Paxton lookin like George Romero slapped him around a bit. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 12:18 am Subject: OASIS in the US? Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready) Hey all - Anyone care to give me a lead on finding OASIS here in the US, specifically California? I've tried all the usual spots, and nothing thus far, and I'm getting increasingly frustrated as I hear more and more good stuff about it. Thanks! -Steve sbm@p... Sacramento, CA Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3467 Re: OASIS in the US? Rakinik Intertype Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 3468 Re: OASIS in the US? TangerineC@a... Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:43 pm Subject: EMMA Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Mark, >> As for an EMMA concert - I don't think they'd allow me to play..... >> not sure why.....I've tried to get on the bill for the last four years >> with no success.... >> 8-( >> Paul > >Huh? David Hughes tells me that the EMMA organizers are having to >scramble to get acts. What's wrong with this picture? (David?) -- Mark I've no idea why EMMA haven't invited Paul Nagle to play. I'm not privvy to their internal workings. I do know that the EMMA commitee were encouraged to invite European as well as home-grown acts this time around. Mark, if memory serves, I don't believe I said anything about EMMA having to scramble for acts. There are a lot of people queuing up to play at the event. David email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3497 Re: EMMA Mark Filipak Mon 5/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:42 pm Subject: CF's signature sound Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, One of Chris Franke's more obvious signature sounds comes from his trusty Roland JD800. It's the 'Iceman' (I-37) preset and it's a kind of wooshy, pad effect with a tinkling bell sound fades in towards the end. It's in nearly every Babylon-5 episode. For other favourite CF sounds, try his 'Sonic Images' sampler CD series. The drums sounds are excellent. Just a small piece of trivia. Cheers David email : dhughes@g... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:42 pm Subject: A US concert? (non-TD) Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >About organizing a monster MEGA e-music concert (a la EMMA) in >America, forgoodnessakes, Seems that the suggestion that a few of us Brit muscian's might like to perform at a US venue is very popular. Ash is chomping at the bit and we're hot-to-trot. Atlanta is more difficult for us brits to get to. New York, however, is just a $300 plane trip away. Any takers? Equipment-wise, we couldn't transport our rig economically but if someone arranged the hire of a couple of good keyboards (Kurzweil K2K's for example), a Macintosh for running the sequencer, some decent outboard and a good quality PA rig, we could easily bring our samples, programs, backing etc as hand luggage. All our audio visual stuff is on slides too so that wouldn't be a problem. >Great choice! Close to all the great bars in Buckhead!! That would keep me and the AirSculpture boys happy! ... :) Let's see if this one flies? Cheers David email : dhughes@g... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:50 pm Subject: Re: OASIS in the US? Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready) > > Hey all - > > Anyone care to give me a lead on finding OASIS here in the US, > specifically California? I've tried all the usual spots, and nothing > thus far, and I'm getting increasingly frustrated as I hear more and > more good stuff about it. > > Thanks! > > -Steve > sbm@p... > Sacramento, CA All I can say is check all the Nature-like stores. I found my copy in Southern CA at some new age, nature-I'm getting in touch with my innerself store. If you still can't find it, I can probably order you a copy from our video distributor. regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 6:30 pm Subject: Re: OASIS in the US? Really-From: TangerineC@a... Will this Cd find the light of day in every Cd shop in America, or do I have to hunt down the damn thing just like every other TD rarity? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 6:41 pm Subject: Re: D: Oasis Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-01 17:10:54 EDT, you write: >Cedar Breaks (1AS) : Possibly the worst TD track ever! This >really, really, really, really, really, really, really, >really, really, really sucks!!!! I hate it! I want to >physically cut it out of the disc! Awful Explain. Why is this track so horrible that you want to cut it off the disc? Did you listen to Rockoon lately? :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 6:49 pm Subject: Re: beans, tangents and silva screen cds Really-From: TangerineC@a... Holy cow!!!! Just trust these guys o.k.? If they say it's true,it is. Ford is with Silva just look at your TD Cd's and you'll see he sequences the albums. He also does other soundtracks like Goldsmith's Supergirl and many other soundtracks. So cool down people, he knows what he's talking about. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 6:51 pm Subject: The Brick Really-From: TangerineC@a... Is this compolation of previously released albums, are there any bonus tracks? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:14 pm Subject: Re: Silva's out of print CD's...not to worry Really-From: Robert Grabowsky You can feel safe using these two sources. I use both of them on a regular basis. Minette music also has another # 505-882-4830 if you do not want to talk to a machine. Just ask for Dave.Dave has a mialing list and sends out a catalog every couple of months He specializes in Electronic music and keeps up with new releases. Supercollector specializes in the hard-to-find movie soundtracks also some regular releases.The also sell Japanamtion,Star Wars and Star Trek,and other SciFi stuff. Hope this helps, Robert At 05:01 AM 5/4/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > >In a message dated 97-05-01 23:52:12 EDT, Dano writes: > ><< If you have a > hard time finding these Cd's contact Super Collector at 714-839-3693. > They have these titles at very reasonable prices. If they don't have > them, call Dave Minton at 1-800-cdtapes. I highly recommend Dave's mail > order services as well. > > regards, > > Dano >> > > I've never heard of these guys before. Do you have any other >information on them? Experience? Types of stuff you've gotten from them? > Etc.? > >Thanks in advance, > >Phil Naunton > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:41 pm Subject: Re: Linda Spa Really-From: Robert Grabowsky GO FOR IT ARMIN. I would definitly pay it a visit.If you need some pics for it,I can help. Robert At 03:50 PM 5/4/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > > >> >>The new track 'Fort worth runway one' replaced 'Elf June and the midnight >>patrol' with was the only track co-composed by Linda Spa on 'Goblin Club'. >>On the fotos of the new 'Goblin Club'-CD Linda was eleminated. >> >>Jens >> > >This is *so* cruel! I think I'll do a Linda Spa Fan Web Page. She >should know that there are people out there who love her! > >Armin > >Armin Theissen >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... >College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen >Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 >Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 > >`Live is complex - it has a real and an imaginary part!' > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:57 pm Subject: Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-02 04:18:58 EDT, you write: << I also have a collection titled 'Ambient' (Synthetiseur) - Collectors' Edition (3 Limited Edition Picture Discs) and the box contains: Edgar Froese - 'Aqua,' Klaus Schulze - 'Time Wind' and Ashra - 'Blackouts.' >> Does anyone else out there think that this is an odd set of recordings to put together and call a collection? Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3492 Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Mark Filipak Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 3506 Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 5/5/1997 3 KB 3520 Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - TWeibre361@a... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3527 Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - PNaunton@a... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:58 pm Subject: Re: FSOL 'Lifeforms' and TD, KS Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-03 04:52:52 EDT, you write: << I think FSOL sampled everything on the planet except possibly my urine (not sure) for 'Lifeforms.' Is 'Schulze' Klaus Schulze? Who else? I've heard that TD samples are throughout 'Lifeforms' but you can't recognize them. Cheers -- Mark >> I don't have 'Lifeforms' but I do have 'Dead Cities' and the influences are easier to perceive when you are not focused on the music. I've picked out influences while just listening in 'soft focus', but when I try again, more pointedly, I miss them. Just a thought. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:58 pm Subject: Re: CF's signature sound? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-03 08:40:56 EDT, you write: << >The sound appears on 'Encore', but I'm not sure which track. It's on Monolight at 3'12'. And CF also didn't forget to 'sign' his recent Babylon 5 Vol.2. You can hear that 'funny' sound on track 2 (Messages from Earth) at 8'59'. Antonio Nunes >> I think 'this sound' is on everything that Franke has ever done. Sometimes it's downright annoying. It's like he's saying, 'Here I am again!', right in the middle of this piece or that soundtrack. It's somewhat reminiscent of a dignified conductor making funny faces at the audience during Mahler's Ninth Symphony. Well, not really, but It always breaks my concentration, somewhat. There are numerous little signatures actually. The Alien Seagull. The Frenzied E-String Bending ala Any Guitar God. There's one that sounds like an old style camera shutter, or maybe a pump loading shot-gun 'recorded in a very echoey room'. There's what sounds like a gunney sack filled with chrome metal hardware being smashed against a concrete pillar. There's a narrow band 'pink noise' with a rising-falling frequency gate. There's another which sounds like a creaky metal door recorded in an echoey room and played back at a very slow speed. There's another which sounds like distant squealing tires. Another is like a very staccato 'Hammond Organ' chord. Another like a very urgent yet breathy voice uttering something incomprehensible. Another like a steam locomative roaring down the track. There are some others I cannot think of right now but I've heard them in numerous places and music pieces. By far the most consistent, and probably the oldest, is the 'Alien Seagull'. I've been hearing that one for years. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:58 pm Subject: Re: phil's poll again Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-03 16:19:48 EDT, you write: << The Brick -- not yet but soon (I still think/know we are forgetting something here...) >> From collected recent evidence one can only conclude that you're a sick man, Lars. Long term and intense therapy might seem like a workable option. I've shown some local Psychiatrists your dossier, but none of them think there is much hope for a cure. I suggested the removal of your cranium, and most of them have agreed that that approach is probably best for you and the rest of humanity. If this fails to solve the problem, however, we may have to resort to suicidal global nuclear annihilation for the rest of us. Personally, I think I'm ready. ;-) Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:58 pm Subject: For those who might think I have a poll up my. . . . . Really-From: PNaunton@a... May Day + 3 1997 COMPILATIONS <> 33 - People responded 145 - 'votes' were cast 22 - Different collections were mentioned List Member with the most compilations - Lars - 19 - (Come on Lars three to go!) Most frequent mention is still 'Beyond The Storm' but with 'Tangents' a close second (one vote off) Dream Sequence - 13 In The Beginning - 4 Electronic Dreams - 2 Beyond The Storm - 23 Private Music Of . . .- 17 Tangents - 22 Dream Roots - 17 70-80 - 5 Book Of Dreams - 7 The Collection (Castle) - 8 Collection (Another one - appears to be bootish) - 2 Froese 74-79 - 4 >From Dawn 'Ti Dusk - 4 Dream Music - (Unauthorized) - 3 Dream Music 2 - (Unauthorized) - 0 Electronic Dreams - 2 The Best of . . . - 1 Atmospherics (Isn't this a boot, too?) - 2 Brick - 2 (one by perhaps less than Kosher avenues?) Edgar Froese - Solo - 2 The Story of . . . . - 3 Tangerine Dream (Disky) {Another Boot?} - 2 Phil Naunton Various P.S.'s and note below. The figures above are a little rough at this point, I will (still) have to go over the posts a bit more carefull (when I have more time at my disposal) to verify the information, if anyone is interested. Thanks Lars. Dream Mixes was mentioned but since this is not compiled, it's out. Several other 'collections' were mentioned but since this is basically repackaged reissues I dropped these too. Due to popular demand I have removed 'Collected Endings'. Other boots I have left in until such time as they are asked to leave. Some members have stated owning sevearl copies of some compilations. This does seem like a valid issue, so I have added these individually. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3496 Re: For those who might think I have a poll up my Mark Filipak Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3505 Re: For those who might think I have a poll up my Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 5/5/1997 3 KB 3524 Re: For those who might think I have a poll up my PNaunton@a... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 8:16 pm Subject: Re: Linda Spa Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > > > > >The new track 'Fort worth runway one' replaced 'Elf June and the > >midnight patrol' with was the only track co-composed by Linda Spa on > >'Goblin Club'. On the fotos of the new 'Goblin Club'-CD Linda was > >eleminated. > > > >Jens > > > > This is *so* cruel! I think I'll do a Linda Spa Fan Web Page. She > should know that there are people out there who love her! Once again I must point out an alternative explanation. Linda is not a contractee anymore and there may be prohibitions in the contract that her image cannot be used without her permission. She may have withheld her permission. The same may be true of any song she has an interest in. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 8:19 pm Subject: WEIRD 10 Really-From: Michael A Jean Madison, WISCONSIN: No one can kiss a woman while attending a concert, unless she is properly chaperoned. Providence, RHODE ISLAND: No man can place his arm around a woman at a concert without a good and lawful reason for doing so. Halifax, NOVA SCOTIA: It is illegal to use handbills as a means of advertising for a spouse during a concert or while a band is practicing. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 4:29 pm Subject: Phil's poll Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) I for got these three in addition to the other 15 compiliations I already posted: Dream Music 1 & 2 Beyond the Storm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3483 Re: Phil's poll Francisco Salgado C. Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 3488 Re: Phil's poll Jens Peschke Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 3495 Phil's poll Kim Pedersen Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3548 Phil's poll ajogon@m... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 4150 Re: Phil's poll Francisco Salgado C. Fri 5/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Brick Really-From: Matt Williams I was thinking of ordering 'Brick' well either that or Dream Roots can anyone tell me if the TOB in brick has Quaser on it????..... Got the double Dream Mixes Cd the other day.....cool value for 11 uk pounds with the extra CD.....the extra CD is worth 11 pounds on its own....they have actually made bland tracks very good,they should do more of it to those bland albums from the late 80s onwards. Onto a non TD topic....... I have always been blowing the trumpet of an album called 76:14 by Global Communication.....it is without doubt the best album I have had the privaled to ever hear...it sits prodly at number one on my fave CD list......I brought Remotion by the same group yesterday....I was a little sceptical because I wasn't sure if they could deliver another album of such class....boy was I proved wrong...ok so it isn't as good as 76:14 but it still gets a slot at number 2 in my charts......what an album,as I listen to thier music I am taken on a musical voyage.....my mind wanders to places I never knew existed.....I even called in sick for work because I wanted to chill out and just listen to the albums all day......if I'm sacked I will have to sue Global Communications for supplying a drug to me that I can't get enough of!. Matt... MATTHEW WILLIAMS EMAIL: matt@s... 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3487 Re: Brick Jens Peschke Sun 5/4/1997 2 KB 3514 Re: Brick Grant Middleton Mon 5/5/1997 3 KB 4322 Re: Brick Rakinik Intertype (DJS) Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB 4328 Re: Brick Matt Williams Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 4354 Re: Brick Plumer, Scott Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 8:50 pm Subject: Re: Phil's poll Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' I forgot to include Beyond the storm Dream Music Dream Music 2 francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 4:34 pm Subject: re: Kim Pederson's question Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) Kim wanted to know about some cd's ordered, two of which, I happen to have. Ardem-O and Collected Endings. I think the sound quality sux on Ardem-O, and it's only slightly better on Collected Endings. 20th Century Serenades, on the other hand, is quite good IMO. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3498 Re: Kim Pederson's question Mark Filipak Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 9:10 pm Subject: Wants, wants and more wants ... Really-From: Steve Yensen Fellow dreamers, As a relative newcomer to this list, but not to TD, it would be extremely nice if any of you out there have any of the 'mainstream' albums for sale. Unfortunately, there is nothing for me to trade as I only have one of each of the following: Tangerine Dream Albums - as of 5th May 1997. KEY: HR Home Recording MC Musicassette VY Vinyl CD Compact Disc VO Video HR Alpha Centauri (1971) MC Atem (1973) MC Phaedra (1974) MC Rubycon (1975) VY Ricochet (1975) MC Stratosfear (1976) MC Cyclone (1978) VY Force Majeure (1979) VY Tangram (1980) MC Exit (1981) VY White Eagle (1982) MC Logos - Live at the Dominion (1983) MC Hyperborea (1983) MC Poland - The Warsaw concert (1984) MC Le Parc (1985) MC Underwater Sunlight (1986) MC Tyger (1988) MC Livemiles (1988) MC Optical Race (1988) MC Melrose (1990) MC Rockoon (1992) Soundtracks: MC Thief (1982) MC Near Dark (1987) Edgar Froese Solo: MC Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (1975) Chris Franke Solo: HR The London Concert (1992) As you can see, I have yet to join the CD revolution, but I'm working on a better quality system than my CD-ROM drive so I can play any CDs that I may decide to purchase in the future. Anybody out there able to help? Steve. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 3:46 pm Subject: Re: The Truth About Vic Rek Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 04:33 AM 5/4/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >Vic Rek's been makin' up stories about me. Well I have some stuff on >him but unlike his trash talk, this is all true! [......] Mark, you are wasted in the Silicon Valley... you ought to be in the Catskills and making money with that humor of yours. And you squeezed in the TD relevance just in time, too. Howling with laughter, Andrew P.S. I have some singing minstrels for trade (Jolliffe, Baumann, etc.). Interested? How annoying can they be, you ask? VERY! But there is no accounting for taste. Well? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 9:41 pm Subject: Re: Brick Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: Matt Williams > > I was thinking of ordering 'Brick' well either that or Dream Roots can anyone > tell me if the TOB in brick has Quaser on it????..... I can´t understand it, but the brick doesn´t include 'Quaser' and 'Story of the brave'. :( The probably reason is that miramar don´t own the rights on that tracks, which were released by TDI. Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 9:46 pm Subject: Re: Phil's poll Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' I forgot to include (an echo ?) The Best of . . . Brick (IMO it´s not a collection ´cause there´s no benefit compared with the single 5 CD´s) Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 10:01 pm Subject: Chris Franke Really-From: AslanFan1@a... Any body ever tried to receive Chris Franke's newsletter? I was on his mailing list waaaaaay back when he first started sonic images. I got a really cool newsletter and some interesting post cards. But then, I never heard from them again. I've tried a couple of times to get back on the list via his website but I never hear anything. Any ideas on what's up? I don't know of any subscription fee or whatever. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3513 Re: Chris Franke gary.cresswell1@v... Mon 5/5/1997 3 KB 8060 Chris Franke Elias Granillo, Jr. Sun 10/26/1997 3 KB 8071 Re: Chris Franke AOutland@a... Sun 10/26/1997 3 KB 8083 Re: Chris Franke Jorge Moreira Mon 10/27/1997 4 KB 16510 Chris Franke Anil Sahal Tue 5/18/1999 2 KB 16511 Re: Chris Franke Poulton, Larry Tue 5/18/1999 4 KB 16517 Re: Chris Franke Thomas Tue 5/18/1999 1 KB 16522 Re: Chris Franke Steven Le Vine Wed 5/19/1999 2 KB 16528 Re: Chris Franke Heiko Heerßen Wed 5/19/1999 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 9:59 pm Subject: TD Guestbook Really-From: Michael A Jean Sorry if this is a repeat, but the GUESTBOOK states that the recent WEBCAST may be repeated in late May... MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25612 TD Guestbook Sean Montgomery Mon 1/8/2001 2 KB 25613 Re: TD Guestbook Feldon Feldon Mon 1/8/2001 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 10:01 pm Subject: TD Posters Really-From: AslanFan1@a... Anyone after posters of either Chris Franke or TD? I have 2 very nice posters of Chris (a wee folded, but still very cool) featuring him with keyboard console in the background. I have one TD poster that is similar to the artwork of 220 Volts, with Phase 3 and 220 volts written across it. I'm willing to trade. Please email me off list if interested. Also, is anyone out there looking for THE MAN INSIDE? It's really a great soundtrack. Please email me off list if you're looking for the music of it. Also, is anyone looking for Catch Me If You Can soundtrack? I think I have one available for someone searching. Again, please email me off list if interested. Thanks. -Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 10:05 pm Subject: Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-05-02 04:18:58 EDT, you write: > > << I also have a collection titled 'Ambient' (Synthetiseur) - > Collectors' Edition (3 Limited Edition Picture Discs) and the box > contains: Edgar Froese - 'Aqua,' Klaus Schulze - 'Time Wind' and > Ashra - 'Blackouts.' > >> > > Does anyone else out there think that this is an odd set of > recordings to put together and call a collection? Not I. Seems very desirable to me. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 10:06 pm Subject: VOICEPRINT Really-From: Michael A Jean Thanks to all who posted the info about VOICEPRINT, which appears to be the official TD mail order service... www.vprint.demon.co.uk The list members are always ten steps ahead of things... For those of you who haven't checked it out, there is word of FIVE upcoming vinyl PICTURE DISCS including Rockoon, Turn of the Tides, Dream Mixes, Tyranny of Beauty and Goblin's Club. Other items include Quinoa, the OASIS video, and Sheperd's Bush T-Shirts... MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3499 Re: VOICEPRINT Mark Filipak Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3501 Re: VOICEPRINT Matt Williams Mon 5/5/1997 3 KB 3503 Re: VOICEPRINT Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 5/5/1997 3 KB 3516 Re: VOICEPRINT Matt Williams Mon 5/5/1997 3 KB 3584 Re: VOICEPRINT Michael A Jean Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 9:58 pm Subject: Re: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L'affaire Wallraff?' Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > ... > > Hi Dano. Since you work for these guys, how about getting me about > > 10 or 20 copies of 'L'affaire Wallraff?' It was released by EMI > > France in 1991. > > > > Thanks in advance. -- Mark > > Ewwww....a challenge heh heh. Man Inside is one of the tougher one's > to find. I can get them, however. The question is...how much do you > want to pay for them? Since I can sell them for at least $50 each > retail...I'm assuming you want to pay at least this amount for each? Bad assumption, Dano. Good parry and thrust though. I'm not a completist and I won't lose sleep because there's one TD album I don't have. That it can be gotten at all means you know where there's a supply of these, and that the food chain wants $50 each -- or were you just guessing? I'll keep cruising the used bins, thanks. Regards -- Mark ('And any fool knows a dog need a home,...') From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 10:13 pm Subject: Phil's poll Really-From: Kim Pedersen These are the compilations i have: Dream sequence Tangents Book of dreams Beyond the storm Regards Kim Pedersen Korg 01w users group: http://www.sysedata.no/home/kimp E-mail:kimp@s... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 10:55 pm Subject: Re: For those who might think I have a poll up my. . . . . Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > Collection (Another one - appears to be bootish) - 2 > Atmospherics (Isn't this a boot, too?) - 2 > Tangerine Dream (Disky) {Another Boot?} - 2 Nope. These are all three, comps. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 10:52 pm Subject: Re: EMMA Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > Mark, > > > Paul Nagle wrote: > > > > As for an EMMA concert - I don't think they'd allow me to play..... > > not sure why.....I've tried to get on the bill for the last four > > years with no success.... > > 8-( > > Paul > > > Mark Filipak wrote: > > > > Huh? David Hughes tells me that the EMMA organizers are having to > > scramble to get acts. What's wrong with this picture? (David?) -- > > Mark > > I've no idea why EMMA haven't invited Paul Nagle to play. I'm not > privvy to their internal workings. I do know that the EMMA commitee > were encouraged to invite European as well as home-grown acts this > time around. I believe that Paul and Ash are both the home grown variety -- UK that is. > Mark, if memory serves, I don't believe I said anything about EMMA > having to scramble for acts. There are a lot of people queuing up to > play at the event. You're right. I misunderstood one of our private exchanges. Sorry all. Cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 11:01 pm Subject: Re: Kim Pederson's question Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) > > Kim wanted to know about some cd's ordered, two of which, I happen to > have. Ardem-O and Collected Endings. > I think the sound quality sux on Ardem-O, and it's only slightly > better on Collected Endings. 20th Century Serenades, > on the other hand, is quite good IMO. I agree Kim. Stephen is spot on. I couldn't figure out why a previous post had these the other way around. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 11:09 pm Subject: Re: VOICEPRINT Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Michael A Jean > ... > For those of you who haven't checked it out, there is word of FIVE > upcoming vinyl PICTURE DISCS including Rockoon, Turn of the Tides, > Dream Mixes, Tyranny of Beauty and Goblin's Club. Sure glad _I'm_ not a completist.