From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 10:04
pm
Subject: Re: ideas ?
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
In a message dated 97-04-23 15:52:34 EDT, you write:
>And if some people decide to folk out money to celebrate TD's
>30th birthday, I wouldn't spend it for memorabilia but donate
>it for a good cause and just let them know...
>
>
I agree. Let's tell Edgar how we all eat Veggie Burgers now instead of real
meat to save some cows life. That'll make him proud. :)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 23, 1997 11:53
pm
Subject: What's up with the list?
Really-From: Rich Maggio
I received NO mail today from the list.
Is it down? It seems rather odd especially
with all of the traffic as of late.
Rich Maggio
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 12:40
am
Subject: Re: Re[2]: ideas?
Really-From: Vic Rek
At 02:44 PM 4/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>
>I don't know, I thought it was funny. I think Phil meant it to be facetious,
>which is how I read it.
>
>Of course, just to be safe, I'm going to have to kill him. Sorry, Phil.
I'm sorry Brian. I was just being too serious. I get the humor now, but I
would spare Phil unless he snatched that 'Ultima Thule' copy from the used
bin right under my nose!
VR
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 2:18
am
Subject: RE: TD and Pink Floyd-style shows (fwd)
Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
> their
> >>previous laurels (repeating all of _Dark Side of the Moon_ on
> _Pulse_???).
>
> >Actually, Pink Floyd was being innovative;
By replaying a whole album on stage?
> it was the first time in 20
> >years that they'd played _Dark Side_ in its entirety. I assure you the
> >fans loved it.
>
> We did. Actually, it was refreshing to hear it in its entirety, because
> on the earlier leg of their '94 tour, and on their '87 - '89 tour they
> only played a few songs from it, and not in the order in which they
> appear on the album. Kinda defeats the purpose of a concept album,
> doesn't it? Another thing I'll give them credit for is that they breathe
> (no pun intended) new life into their old tunes. Something which TD
> doesn't quite do, IMHO. It seems like they play album stuff note for
> note from the albums, and don't change them at all. They might as well
> just play the CD and just mime playing!
>
> Scott
Ok Scott, how about:
--86 versions of 'Ride On The Ray', 'Scuba Scuba', 'Underwater Twilight',
'Dolphin Dance', 'Stratosfear', 'Zen Garden', 'Yellowstone Park' (need I go
on?)--all either different (and in many cases better than) the album
versions; 'Dolphin Dance' and 'ROTR' were in dynamite extended versions
(well, as dynamite as it can get, I suppose)
--'Betrayal' and 'Diamond Diary' at Berlin '87: much grittier and more
'physical' than their original versions.
--'Phaedra '88' ('c'mon, you're not telling me you can get that D-50 to
REALLY sound like a Moog!!')
--the testimony of the list folks have have seen the Euro shows, who have
said that the vintage tracks being played on the tour are NOT the same as
the album versions or the ones at the Bush.
Which still does not answer my original question, anyway. This thread
wasn't really about Floyd, it was about why is TD doing so much vintage
stuff NOW compared to what they've done in the past when tour time came?
Does the fact that it's their 30th anniversary have anything to do with it?
That the planning for this tour seemed a bit rushed (i.e. no time to do
another set of new pieces like 1992)--in November they were saying
'there'll be no tour', and what made 'em change their minds?
That just ONCE, Edgar gave in to what the fans might want to hear?
and I will never forget this comment I heard from my Frosh group leader
in 1994, who'd seen PF on the Division Bell tour:
'The *show* was awesome. But the *music* SUCKED!'
;)
Gabe
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 3:10
am
Subject: Re: lady greengrass/love of mine
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Lars R. Jones wrote:
>
> ... Well, those two themes, dope and sex, sum up the 60s--what else
> can one say about the 60s? (flame time!)
>
> I'd give these a 4as but I'm not sure why, maybe cause I can dig them!
Err, because you have a certain affinity for the messages (or is that
too obvious)?
Dave 'Bongo' Brewer wrote:
>
> ... Just reading these lyrics makes me want to grow my goatee out,
> put on a black beret and dark shades, sit in the corner of some
> coffee bar with my bongos, spouting improv poetry in a totally
> beaniked-out voice. ...
not anywhen in the 60s. We hippies were pretty contemptuous of the
beatniks for their lack of a plan for change and their lack of action.
They dropped out. We tried to create an alternate reality. The seeds
of change in the US were sown by Mario Salvo and the student free speech
movement of 62 (pretty sure of the date) at the University of
California, Berkeley. I never heard of a beatnik being arrested for
anything other than herion addiction. As for the cause of the
resurgence of 'hippy' culture in the 90s, I don't have a clue.
'And that's the way it was' -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 5:42
am
Subject: Information on Quinoa CD availability
Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn)
Hello,
I have not received any mail from the mailing list for 2 days so I
don't know if this information is new or not. I found while looking
through the web a site address of:
http://www.uprint.demon.co.uk
It lists Quinoa as being available on CD for 15.00 I believe it's
English pounds. It says that 300 were found in a vault in Germany just
recently and are for sale. I hope this brings some luck to folks out
there!
Take care,
Martyn
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 7:37
am
Subject:
Really-From: ashok prema
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
> I think this is a FAN-TASTIC idea but what about us inept/non-musicians?
> what are we to do? can you/anyone come up with an idea for us too?? :-)
> please don't leave us out...
>
> thanks
> Lars
>How about a glossy booklet, along the lines of the 'Tangents' insert ?
>Anyone with artistic ability could make pictures inspired by certain
>TD tracks or actually pictorial representations of the music. How
a>bout fan-created alternative album covers ?
>Also, how about some passages of text about personal TD experiences
>over the years, whether it was a concert visit, an album which reflects
>a certain period of your life, etc ? This opens up possibilities to
t>hose who can't write music or create pictures.
Grant
Klaus reflects my sentiments exactly - a cd of list members music seems a
trite self-indulgent - lets face it if the music doesn't lack
professionalsim on at least some of the tracks - the production almost
certainly will - why give a professional musician something which is not
100% professional?? Even as a tribute - we leave ourselves open to Edgar &
Co thinking 'these fans complain of our new style and putting it under the
microscope and look at the amateurish rubbish they produce' - even though
Edgars too much of a gentleman to say so - I'm pretty certain, he'd feel it
fair!.
NO - the better idea is Grants - an brief essay our TD music
experiences, how it has affected us - with perhaps a list of our top 3
albums. TD could utilise some of it in future concert progs - if nothing
else - it will be an honest expression of our hearfelt thanks to TD.
Ash
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 7:42
am
Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush CD
Really-From: Christian von_Toerne
>
> Really-From: TangerineC@a...
>
>
> Elenor Rigby
> Ying yang and the Tangram Seal
>
It's 'Thief Yang And the Tangram Seal' (pun on 'Thief' and 'Tangram')
Chris
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 3:49
pm
Subject: Re: ideas ?
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> Really-From: TangerineC@a...
>
> I agree. Let's tell Edgar how we all eat Veggie Burgers now instead of real
> meat to save some cows life. That'll make him proud. :)
>
Naw, cos then some of us would be lying, wouldn't we?
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
---------------------------------------------
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 8:31
am
Subject: Re: ideas ?
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
> Really-From: ashok prema
>
> Klaus reflects my sentiments exactly - a cd of list members music seems a
> trite self-indulgent - lets face it if the music doesn't lack
> professionalsim on at least some of the tracks - the production almost
> certainly will - why give a professional musician something which is not
> 100% professional?? Even as a tribute - we leave ourselves open to Edgar &
> Co thinking 'these fans complain of our new style and putting it under the
> microscope and look at the amateurish rubbish they produce' - even though
> Edgars too much of a gentleman to say so - I'm pretty certain, he'd feel it
> fair!.
I think you'll find that most of the music the fans have produced is
a lot better than much of TD's output, for the simple reason that TD
made a lot of mistakes publically, and the fans don't go down those
paths. Instead, they concentrate on the good bits and don't recreate
the crap bits (I'm sure even Edgar would love to forget many of his
'weaker' moments). Also, fans can take months to produce a single
track, whereas Edgar and co have an incredibly full schedule to run.
As for production quality, the equipment available now to semi-pro
and even amateur musicians is far superior to what was available in
the '70s. Even a moderately powered PC can transform recorded music
incredibly (noise removal, equalisation, compression, etc).
> NO - the better idea is Grants - an brief essay our TD music
> experiences, how it has affected us - with perhaps a list of our top 3
> albums. TD could utilise some of it in future concert progs - if nothing
> else - it will be an honest expression of our hearfelt thanks to TD.
>
> Ash
However, I would also go with the 'donation to charity' idea. I'm sure
the Froeses would really appreciate this.
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Grunt ! [, @
\______/ 'There's too much blood in
/\ /\ my caffeine system'
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59
pm
Subject: RE: 'The Blob' & ***NO*** book errors
Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (peter stoeferle)
Hello Vic, hello Mailing List,
>>> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>>> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:48:07 -0400 (EDT)
>>> Subject: 'The Blob' & Book Errors
>>> Really-From: Vic Rek
>>> Can anyone confirm that 'The Blob' soundtrack by Michael Hoenig was
>>> released.
>>> 'Voices in the Dunes' states that it was released on CD. I have never seen
>>> a copy or had anybody confirm that they own or have seen a copy of this.
>>>So anybody have this? I don't think it exists.
The CD *does* definitely exist, even if it is a real hard-to-find item. I have
got a copy:
17 tracks, 39:15 mins.
Order-No.: Filmtrax FUSD 103
(C) 1988 Filmtrax Holdings Inc./Tri Star Pictures Inc., 3808 Riverside Drive,
Suite 408, Burbank, California 91505
>>> AND please don't tell me to look it up in the FAQ.
>>> But for sake of discussion I did look in
>>> 'http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/artists/t/tangerine.dream/discog.solo'
>>> under Michael Hoenig and I didn't see it listed. Is this another error in
>>> 'Voices in the Dunes'?
So I am glad to tell you that this is not 'another error' in 'Voices' ;-)
And I am very sorry, we cannot be held responsible for what has been filed in
the FAQ or in any Internet music archives.
Peter Stoeferle
(author or 'Voices in the dunes')
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 12:42
pm
Subject: Today is...
Really-From: spidey
Hello Dreamers,
Today is (April 24) my birthday! I know, I know, you're saying where's the
TD content in that? But think about it. TD must have played live on this
day at some point in their career!
np-CoAE Tangerine Dream (Thanks Vic!)
Oscar
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 1:29
pm
Subject: RE: Today is...
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>Today is (April 24) my birthday! I know, I know, you're saying where's
the
>TD content in that? But think about it. TD must have played live on
this
>day at some point in their career!
Happy Birthday! Sorry to disappoint you, but 1997 is the ONLY year in
which they played on April 24th! They're playing tonight (well, this
afternoon to me) in Prague, Czech Republic. Assuming they start at 8
p.m. local time, that would be 2 p.m. EDT. So if you hurry you might
still be able to catch the show.
Scott
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 1:32
pm
Subject: Re: T. Dream
Really-From: Michael A Jean
Wow! You changed your name.... heehee
Thanks for asking, but I wanted the CD (which you sent already)...I'll
pass the message on to the tadream email list...
On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Randar the Mindless Twit wrote:
> We got in a copy of Towards the Evening Star in on vinyl. It's very pretty.
> A blue slab with glittery things in it. Was it you who wanted a copy? If
> so email and I'll ship that puppy off.
>
> Thank you,
> Randy/RPM
>
> Visit http://rpmrecords.com
> We have thousands of rare and import, cd's, lp's, laser discs.
>
> To order call toll free 1-888-2- RPM REC
> Phone: 972-681-8441
> Fax: 972-681-9486
>
>
>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 2:33
pm
Subject: Information on Quinoa CD Availability
Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn)
Sorry folks, previously I sent out a bogus URL. This is the correct
one:
http://www.vprint.demon.co.uk/tadream/cd.htm
It was late and I was tired, sorry for the inconvience. Besides
Quinoa it lists, Tyranny Of Beauty, Rockoon, Dream Mixes, Turn Of The
Tides for 9.99 (Dream Mixes is probably more) UK Pounds on the TDI
label. Quinoa is 15 UK pounds, this is a bargain, so I hope everyone
that want's one, can get a copy. The site takes credit cards, and also
has toll free phone #'s to leave recording with them of mailing address
@ credit card # if you rather do it that way.
Hope this is of help,
Martyn
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 2:27
pm
Subject: OFF: Rob Essers and other non-TD stuff
Really-From: Craig Shipley
I want to second Rob Essers' CD's as a 'must hear' for us TD fans, especially
his latest 'A Lizards' Walk'. It is 51 minutes of great electronic music, with
a definite vintage sound thrown in (intentionally, BTW). And don't miss out on
his track 'Freefall' that he contributed to the EXCELLENT 'Mars Project Vol.
1'; this track reminds me of 'Silver Scale' and 'Diamond Diary' (which sound an
awful lot alike, anyways...). Good stuff!
Also, other synth musicians to check out: Optical Image, Waveshape, Lambert,
Uwe Bausch, Dweller At The Threshold, Corporation, Merge, T-Bass, Tranceport,
Andy Pickford, Michael Garrison, Hemisphere, Traumklang (and these are just the
CD's laying around the CD player...)
obCDPlayer: Hemisphere / Intruders
Craig Shipley
craigs@p...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 2:21
pm
Subject: Re: Today is...
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>Really-From: spidey
>Today is (April 24) my birthday!
How old are you now, how old are you now, how old are you Oscar, how old are you
now?
>TD must have played live on this day at some point in their career!
If you wait long enough, someone will probably dig out 'VitD' and tell you which
years.
-B. Kirby
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 4:20
pm
Subject: Re: I got it!
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
In a message dated 97-04-23 19:17:34 EDT, you write:
>First there was 'Cherry Garcia,' then came 'Phish Food' now - Tangerine
>Dream! Ben & Jerry's latest ice cream flavor! Vanilla ice cream with
>chunks of tangerine! Sounds tasty.
This is an excellent idea. For now though, i'll have to stir it up at home
until it comes out. Hopefully soon. Hey, Let's all write to Ben and Jerry's
about his great idea!
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 4:37
pm
Subject: Re: (amb) ambient hair care?
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
In a message dated 97-04-23 21:44:08 EDT, you write:
>>I was wandering through a natural food store, in the cosmetic section,
>>and i found some hair conditioner with Tangerine Dream in the name...
I've seen it too. And i've also seen it as a cleansing bar with the name
Tangerine Dream proudly displayed on the box it comes in. The color of the
box is also Tangerine.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 4:34
pm
Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush CD
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
In a message dated 97-04-24 03:46:08 EDT, you write:
>It's 'Thief Yang And the Tangram Seal' (pun on 'Thief' and 'Tangram')
>
>
oops!!!!! Made a mistake sorry. Was'nt thinking when I wrote.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 4:40
pm
Subject: Re: Increased web site traffic
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
In a message dated 97-04-23 21:44:40 EDT, you write:
>Now you can register your Web Page in over 550 Internet indexes for only
>TA>$249.00 and watch your traffic soar!
>
>TA>The Central Registry has helped thousands of sites like yours greatly
>
>[Lots of crap about web sites cut out]
>
> PLEASE PLEASE do not respond to this ad. It is a scam that has been
>making the e-mail rounds.
It's true. it's a scam!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dont reply to them. You'll be
sorry!!!!!!
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 4:49
pm
Subject: Re: (amb) ambient hair care?
Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> >>I was wandering through a natural food store, in the cosmetic section,
> >>and i found some hair conditioner with Tangerine Dream in the name...
And I'm sure this has been brought up already, but there are two Fruitopia
flavours named Tangerine Wavelength and Apple Tangerine Dream
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'Think Global - Act Loco!'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 5:15
pm
Subject: Re: Re[2]: ideas? (BTH bag)
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-04-23 21:43:14 EDT, you write:
<< That would be nice with the exception that BTH is now a TD flunkie zine.
The only articles are about the obscure people who played a couple times or
so with TD....or they're about Klaus who probably still uses lead weights
to put on his keys for long droning sequences that are uninspired at best.
If BTH wants to be a great zine it needs to get back to TD and the
musicians that formed the band, not played with them one year once while
Peter or Chris were away. I mean, it's nice to know what Klaus Krieger is
up to briefly but come on....less of Klaus, Klaus, Steve, and even
Hoenig...who shouldn't even count or be mentioned.
regards,
Dano >>
its obvious that u didnt read the last issue where they stated categorically
that due to their 'problems' with td they were going to dedicate more space
to other musicians...had u read the issue, u would have seen a report on
cluster, haslinger, and reviews of pete namlook' s work...i dont think any of
these musicians are 'obscure' to serious electronic music
aficionados...personally, i welcome this change...the fact that they report
'less' on td, hardly makes them a 'flunkie' zine...as to schulze, again, u
probably are unaware that the man has opened a veritable treasure trove of
unreleased material, (unlike others discussed on this list, but always
lamented about) some of which can most definately not be described as
'uninspiring' (imo, of course)...
tom w
np: shulze - historic edition disc 7
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 5:30
pm
Subject: members list
Really-From: 'oncica bogdan'
Hello,
having the 'tadream' members list in front of my eyes the email addresses of
some members make me curious ,i.e.:
- tadream-list@c...
- tadream-list@e...
- tadream-list@f...
- tadream-news@c...
- tangerine-dream@b...
etc.
Wouldn't be nice to know something about them? Of course,nothing private !!!
Sincerely,
Bogdan
SIDEX SA
ROMANIA,Europe
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 6:03
pm
Subject: please ,resend !
Really-From: 'oncica bogdan'
Hello,
If anybody has sent a message for sidexspr@e... or as an answer to the
'stamps'
subject please resend it !!!
I have had a software problem and i lost all the answers for today 24-04-97.
Thanks,
Bogdan
SIDEX SA ,Galati
ROMANIA,Europe
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 3:51
pm
Subject: Re: 'The Blob' & ***NO*** book errors
Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (peter stoeferle)
>
> Hello Vic, hello Mailing List,
>
> >>> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
> >>> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:48:07 -0400 (EDT)
> >>> Subject: 'The Blob' & Book Errors
>
> >>> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
> >>> Can anyone confirm that 'The Blob' soundtrack by Michael Hoenig was
> >>> released.
> >>> 'Voices in the Dunes' states that it was released on CD. I have never
seen
> >>> a copy or had anybody confirm that they own or have seen a copy of this.
> >>>So anybody have this? I don't think it exists.
>
> The CD *does* definitely exist, even if it is a real hard-to-find item. I have
> got a copy:
>
> 17 tracks, 39:15 mins.
> Order-No.: Filmtrax FUSD 103
> (C) 1988 Filmtrax Holdings Inc./Tri Star Pictures Inc., 3808 Riverside Drive,
> Suite 408, Burbank, California 91505
>
> >>> AND please don't tell me to look it up in the FAQ.
> >>> But for sake of discussion I did look in
> >>> 'http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/artists/t/tangerine.dream/discog.solo'>
>>> under Michael Hoenig and I didn't see it listed. Is this another error in
> >>> 'Voices in the Dunes'?
>
> So I am glad to tell you that this is not 'another error' in 'Voices' ;-)
> And I am very sorry, we cannot be held responsible for what has been filed in
> the FAQ or in any Internet music archives.
>
> Peter Stoeferle
> (author or 'Voices in the dunes')
I would be very appreciative if I could get a tape copy of this score to
archive it's existance. I work with a soundtrack producer and am
interested in aquiring the rights for this CD for release. Let me know if
you are interested.
regards,
Dan
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 6:58
pm
Subject: The Blob
Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves
Regarding Vic Rek's message:
The Blob CD does exist. I have it. It is extremely rare and was probably
pressed in a very small edition about 1987/88. At that time it was not
uncommon for there to be small runs of only 200 CDs of soundtracks for the
commercial market. Varese Sarabande did only 200 CDs (one source states) of
Brad Fiedel's 'The Serpent and the Rainbow'. Recently someone posted on
Rec.Music.Movies that they needed a photocopy of the front cover of The Blob
for their CD they had just found. I was the only one to respond and he got
his copy.
You might have better luck searching for the soundtrack by dealing with
soundtrack dealers and collectors.
BTW - I thought the music was terrible to listen to.
CHEERS...Matt
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 4:10
pm
Subject: Is TD washed up?
Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
>
> In a message dated 97-04-23 21:43:14 EDT, you write:
>
> << That would be nice with the exception that BTH is now a TD flunkie zine.
> The only articles are about the obscure people who played a couple times or
> so with TD....or they're about Klaus who probably still uses lead weights
> to put on his keys for long droning sequences that are uninspired at best.
> If BTH wants to be a great zine it needs to get back to TD and the
> musicians that formed the band, not played with them one year once while
> Peter or Chris were away. I mean, it's nice to know what Klaus Krieger is
> up to briefly but come on....less of Klaus, Klaus, Steve, and even
> Hoenig...who shouldn't even count or be mentioned.
>
> regards,
>
> Dano >>
>
> its obvious that u didnt read the last issue where they stated categorically
> that due to their 'problems' with td they were going to dedicate more space
> to other musicians...had u read the issue, u would have seen a report on
> cluster, haslinger, and reviews of pete namlook' s work...i dont think any of
> these musicians are 'obscure' to serious electronic music
> aficionados...personally, i welcome this change...the fact that they report
> 'less' on td, hardly makes them a 'flunkie' zine...as to schulze, again, u
> probably are unaware that the man has opened a veritable treasure trove of
> unreleased material, (unlike others discussed on this list, but always
> lamented about) some of which can most definately not be described as
> 'uninspiring' (imo, of course)...
>
> tom w
>
> np: shulze - historic edition disc 7
I still disagree. Why is it that because an artist plays with TD that
they get so much respect as an electronic musician. I feel that with the
exception of Christopher Franke that they all have a hard time composing
anything consistantly well composed. While yes, it is only considered an
opinion, I back up my opinion with the evidence that with the exception
of a couple of albums (220 volt and Rockoon which were truly
different...and maybe even Tyranny)...TD without Franke, Schmoelling or
Haslinger (three classically trained musicians...NOT self taught) is just
plain bad. Jerome is doing what Eddie VH was doing twenty years ago with
the guitar. Goblins Club was just plain badness, barely even hinting at
memorable melodies and the sort. Edgar's so caught up in the mysterious
image that he's forgotten how to make great music. Don't get me wrong. I
love most TD...but just because it's Tangerine Dream doesn't mean it's
good. Any fool can place lead weights on a keyboard, sequence for a few
hours, then release it and call it music. Edgar needs to stop having the
'go where no man has gone before' attitude and go where man has gone
before and kicked some ass. So many times he's mentioned that he's going
to head into uncharted lands, create sounds no one can create or copy.
All I ever hear anymore from TD is that blasted DX72 sound, Stratotro, on
EVRYTHING (you know, the voice that's all over Treasure of Innocence).
Edgar is not mysterious anymore...and neither is TD. Like Franke, they
need to make great music again. I wish most TD fans would show a little
more discernment when judging what TD puts out these days. If what I am
saying is false...then may someone out there state that they loved
Goblin's Club more than Thief.
regards,
Dano
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 12:41
am
Subject: Re: Is TD washed up?
Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:10:29 -0700 tadream mailing list
wrote:
>Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
>While yes, it is only considered an
>opinion, I back up my opinion with the evidence that with the exception
>of a couple of albums (220 volt and Rockoon which were truly
>different...and maybe even Tyranny)...TD without Franke, Schmoelling
or
>Haslinger (three classically trained musicians...NOT self taught) is just
>plain bad.
- THIS IS ALL MY OWN, PRIVATE OPINION -
Now that's a very interesting statement. What precisely do you like so
much (or even consider _different_ ) about Rockoon and Tyranny? As I
see it, these are some of the rather more uninspired albums they've
made, most of the pieces struggle to attain the complexity of pop songs,
or are plainly clusters of notes and rhythms that don't have anything to
tell (Haze of Fame / Tyranny of Beauty in particular).
>Goblins Club was just plain badness, barely even hinting at
>memorable melodies and the sort. Edgar's so caught up in the
mysterious
>image that he's forgotten how to make great music.
But exactly that's what I find remarkable about Goblin's Club - they have
made a step towards re-establishing the said 'mysterious image', they
have finally turned to a more mellow and atmospheric style. It might
sound less catchy than the Seattle years stuff, but it is infinitely more
complex than, say, Red Roadster on Rockoon, and the complexity and
subtle shifts of mood have always been for me the striking feature of TD
music. With pieces like Rising Haul... or Sad Merlin's Sunday, they
have returned to the suite-in-a-song format of old, only that they don't
keep an individual sequence running for as long as they used to. I
admit, it _does_ still sound a bit detached and hopping-around, but it's
certainly a step into the right direction. If you have heard Oasis, you'll
see the next step in the musical development. They've finally _found_
their style, Jerome's input is of much greater quality than in the
beginning, and after 7 years, Edgar finally _has_ found a new musical
partner.
>Edgar is not mysterious anymore...and neither is TD. Like Franke, they
>need to make great music again. I wish most TD fans would show a
little
>more discernment when judging what TD puts out these days. If what I
am
>saying is false...then may someone out there state that they loved
>Goblin's Club more than Thief.
Well, I did. I think these two albums are of more or less the same
standard, but Thief is placed right in the middle of a period of excellent
albums (e.g. Tangram, White Eagle, Force Majeure,...), whereas
Goblin's Club is literally a relief after Tyranny and the like. BTW, I think
that Franke's Babylon 5 soundtrack (parts 1 and 2) are excellent.
Cheers,
Dennis.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 7:59
pm
Subject: Re: The Blob
Really-From: Vic Rek
At 06:58 PM 4/24/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves
>
>The Blob CD does exist. I have it. It is extremely rare and was probably
>pressed in a very small edition about 1987/88.
I see the movie all over the place for sale. You would think that there
would be more of them out there. 200 copies seems a bit small. Don't
manufacturers usually produce at least 1000 to make any economic sense?
But if anyone wants to put a copy up for offer, please let me know.
Thanks Matt!
VR
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 8:17
pm
Subject: Re: Is TD washed up?
Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
>
>
> more discernment when judging what TD puts out these days. If what I am
> saying is false...then may someone out there state that they loved
> Goblin's Club more than Thief.
>
> regards,
>
> Dano
I dunno about _GC_, but I like _Dream Mixes_ more than _Thief_.
And 'Lamb With Radar Eyes', at the very least, is as good as anything on
_Thief_, IMO.
Gabe
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: Ordering QUINOA via Telephone: A Mistake?
Really-From: Steven Feldman
Well, Folks,
I went and ordered a few copies of QUINOA from the website URL
that was posted here recently. The instructions gave ordering with a
credit card over an 800 # phone line as a possibility, and I did so,
even though the fact that I had to leave the pertinent info (i.e. my
order) on *an answering machine* made me nervous. What I want to
know is, was this wise, or is this outfit going to clean out my bank
account and catch a ride on the tail of Hale-Bopp? ;)
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty.
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984.
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: More Questions re Ordering QUINOA; Credit-Card Woes
Really-From: 'Nervous Nellie [Steven Feldman]'
>Subject: Ordering QUINOA via Telephone: A Mistake?
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 97 16:24:50 EDT
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> I went and ordered a few copies of QUINOA from the website URL
>that was posted here recently. The instructions gave ordering with a
>credit card over an 800 # phone line as a possibility, and I did so,
>even though the fact that I had to leave the pertinent info (i.e. my
>order) on *an answering machine* made me nervous. What I want to
>know is, was this wise, or is this outfit going to clean out my bank
>account and catch a ride on the tail of Hale-Bopp? ;)
Eep. In my haste, I forgot to ask a few questions about ordering
with a credit card from overseas, in general. First of all, what is the
current exchange rate between dollars and pounds; and second, is there
a fee for converting dollars to pounds in credit card ordering, and if
so, what is it? Is it proportional to the subtotal amount? (And I'm
not even going to ask about postal charges.)
This company said that orders take 'up to 28 days' to fill, so I
am wondering how I can confirm that my order was indeed correctly
received (other than finding out about it via a statement from my
bank) before it's too late and all copies of this elusive (and soon to
be illusive?) CD disappear. Perhaps I should contact them via their
*non*-800 number and find out for sure???
Also, these guys are selling the TDI TYRANNY OF BEAUTY CD (the
one with 'Quasar' on it) for 9 pounds 99 pence. What would this be
in dollars? $14.95, or more?
-- Steven Feldman and
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tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 9:37
pm
Subject: Re: Is TD washed up?
Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
>
> - THIS IS ALL MY OWN, PRIVATE OPINION -
> Now that's a very interesting statement. What precisely do you like so
> much (or even consider _different_ ) about Rockoon and Tyranny? As I
> see it, these are some of the rather more uninspired albums they've
> made, most of the pieces struggle to attain the complexity of pop songs,
> or are plainly clusters of notes and rhythms that don't have anything to
> tell (Haze of Fame / Tyranny of Beauty in particular).
>
> >Goblins Club was just plain badness, barely even hinting at
> >memorable melodies and the sort. Edgar's so caught up in the
> mysterious
> >image that he's forgotten how to make great music.
>
> But exactly that's what I find remarkable about Goblin's Club - they have
> made a step towards re-establishing the said 'mysterious image', they
> have finally turned to a more mellow and atmospheric style. It might
> sound less catchy than the Seattle years stuff, but it is infinitely more
> complex than, say, Red Roadster on Rockoon, and the complexity and
> subtle shifts of mood have always been for me the striking feature of TD
> music. With pieces like Rising Haul... or Sad Merlin's Sunday, they
> have returned to the suite-in-a-song format of old, only that they don't
> keep an individual sequence running for as long as they used to. I
> admit, it _does_ still sound a bit detached and hopping-around, but it's
> certainly a step into the right direction. If you have heard Oasis, you'll
> see the next step in the musical development. They've finally _found_
> their style, Jerome's input is of much greater quality than in the
> beginning, and after 7 years, Edgar finally _has_ found a new musical
> partner.
>
> >Edgar is not mysterious anymore...and neither is TD. Like Franke, they
> >need to make great music again. I wish most TD fans would show a
> little
> >more discernment when judging what TD puts out these days. If what I
> am
> >saying is false...then may someone out there state that they loved
> >Goblin's Club more than Thief.
>
> Well, I did. I think these two albums are of more or less the same
> standard, but Thief is placed right in the middle of a period of excellent
> albums (e.g. Tangram, White Eagle, Force Majeure,...), whereas
> Goblin's Club is literally a relief after Tyranny and the like. BTW, I think
> that Franke's Babylon 5 soundtrack (parts 1 and 2) are excellent.
>
> Cheers,
> Dennis.
The reason Rockoon was such a better statement than Goblin's Club is
because of one plain fact: It came first. Goblin's Club offers nothing at
all new..including voices...whereas Rockoon was a very different step in
a different direction. Unfortunately Edgar kept walkin' the same way for
several years. I agree about Oasis. It's the best TD I've heard since 220
Volt. What took em so long?
Dan
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Apr 24, 1997 9:39
pm
Subject: Re: Is TD washed up?
Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
> On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
> >
> >
> > more discernment when judging what TD puts out these days. If what I am
> > saying is false...then may someone out there state that they loved
> > Goblin's Club more than Thief.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Dano
>
> I dunno about _GC_, but I like _Dream Mixes_ more than _Thief_.
> And 'Lamb With Radar Eyes', at the very least, is as good as anything on
> _Thief_, IMO.
>
> Gabe
I would have to say that you probably have just begun to listen to TD if
you liked DM over Thief. I'd even understand if one liked say Phaedra or
even Rubycon over Thief...but DM?? Nah.
D.
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Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 3:29
am
Subject: Re: Re[2]: ideas?
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-04-23 15:58:43 EDT, you write:
<< I don't know, I thought it was funny. I think Phil meant it to be
facetious,
which is how I read it.
Of course, just to be safe, I'm going to have to kill him. Sorry, Phil.
-B. Kirby
BtH 'Public Relations' Representative >>
Phil responds; neck on the block: - - - Actually, I thought it
was a bit of rye humor, yet pertinent to the fact that EF (apparently)
doesn't care about his fans (all) that much. ( BtH being a fan-zine.) Most (
if not all ) of the suggestions I've read would ( probably ) go
unappreciated. I could be wrong though, he may have mellowed with age (all
evidence to the contrary).
Fan stuff is for fans, Edgar has his own agenda.
Phil Naunton ( A fan for the full 30 and counting. At least I hope to make
it!! )
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 3:31
am
Subject: Re: ROB ESSERS
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-04-23 21:43:43 EDT, you write:
<< ROB ESSERS and he released already two great CD's
titled RAINCOLOURS and the latest one A LIZARDS WALK.
This is THE music TD would make if Mr Franke has never left the group!
Have a look at his nice homepage to get some more information:
Dream On
Chris Horn
>>
Thanks for the tip, Chris. Your post is one of the main reasons I
subscribed to this list several years ago. It wonderful to get new
information on related music.
Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 12:03
pm
Subject: Re: Is TD washed up?
Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready)
On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:39:27 -0700, Gabe wrote:
> I dunno about _GC_, but I like _Dream Mixes_ more than _Thief_.
> And 'Lamb With Radar Eyes', at the very least, is as good as anything on
> _Thief_, IMO.
Rankink replied:
>I would have to say that you probably have just begun to listen to TD if
>you liked DM over Thief. I'd even understand if one liked say Phaedra or
>even Rubycon over Thief...but DM?? Nah.
I'll strongly second Gabe's opinion. In my book, Thief falls into
that middle ground of 3AS TD albums. DM was a fun diversion that gets
more time on my CD player than most any 90's TD release except for ...
drumroll ... Goblin's Club. And this is coming from someone who feels
very strongly that the majority of TD's best work was done before
1980.
Goblin's Club has flaws - it wanders too much within each song and
doesn't fully explore the different musical ideas contained within.
That said, I still find it much more enjoyable to listen to than most
of what TD has done since Underwater Sunlight.
-Steve
sbm@p...
Sacramento, CA
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 5:22
am
Subject: Re: Ordering QUINOA via Telephone: A Mistake?
Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn)
You wrote:
>
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>
>Well, Folks,
> I went and ordered a few copies of QUINOA from the website URL
>that was posted here recently. What I want to
>know is, was this wise, or is this outfit going to clean out my bank
>account and catch a ride on the tail of Hale-Bopp? ;)
Hello,
When I read this post, I was eating a sandwich and some of it ended
up on my computer screen. I found what you said very funny, about the
cleaning out of bank account and Hale-Bopp!
Paying by credit card has got to be the safest way to go. This
site seems quite professional, and legitamite I hope. Ask them about
the details in the form of an E-mail to them. I hope they can put your
mind to rest. Maybe copy the info off the computer, in case a
complication does arise, for the credit card company.
Take care, and relax.
Martyn
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 6:07
am
Subject: TD's Direction-long post
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 11:29 PM 4/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: PNaunton@a...
>
> -B. Kirby
> BtH 'Public Relations' Representative >>
>
>EF (apparently) doesn't care about his fans (all) that much. ( BtH being
>a fan-zine.) Most (if not all ) of the suggestions I've read would
>(probably ) go unappreciated. I could be wrong though, he may
>have mellowed with age (all
>evidence to the contrary).
> Fan stuff is for fans, Edgar has his own agenda.
>
>Phil Naunton ( A fan for the full 30 and counting. At least I hope to make
>it!! )
Hmm... Edgar must at least be slightly interested in seeing fans if he is
willing to grant interviews, speak to fans before and after shows and put
together 38 minutes of music (Quinoa) because the international TD fan club
closed down. He seems to be happy that there are TD fans out there.
My interpretation of the Tangents quote: TD has never been concerned with
fan's opinions or impressions of the music as it has evolved over the years.
We don't tailor our music to anyone's taste but our own.
And yet I have negative feelings towards EF's statement:
I don't understand why the same people who embrace our music
between 1974 and 1978 would have us burned at the stake because
of music we're producing in 1980.
Why do I not understand EF saying this? Because being/staying a member of TD
seems to be an almost impossible task. The Chris Franke - Edgar Froese feud
is a perfect example. I am perfectly aware that there are rifts in nearly
every musical group, so maybe I'm reading something into this, but no matter
what Edgar says, I think we all know that the individual musicians present
determine what the 'sound' of the band is.
I personally think that TD's best combination was Froese/Franke/Schmoelling.
I also love the Baumann years.
I don't want to write a big essay (at least not on the list) but the first
question that pops to mind when I hear Tangram after hearing Force Majeuere
is 'Where'd the bass and ambient stuff go?' TD went from thick Moog to thin
almost beep-like sounds. Tangram is a good album, almost an experiment if
you ask me... Because they're creating depth with totally different tools.
It's as if we all threw away our violins and pianos and say, ok, the
equipment has changed, now we're using tin cans and kazoos. Obviously, TD
was up to the challenge and Tangram was a success.
Anyway, I'm rambling... Sure, it would be lovely if EF were to say 'You
know, I've been reading the mailing list and I think we'll do a 2CD with 4
tracks and do really slow developmental pieces that take 3-5 minutes to even
get started!'
Geez, I've made myself drool... anyway, gotta run.
Morgan
feldon@n...
p.s. Without controversy, there's... peace (oops, that one backfired!)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 6:15
am
Subject: Currency Converter
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Several questions about currency conversion have come up recently.
There is a great, free currency converter on the net:
Olsen & Associates: Currency Converter
http://www.olsen.ch/cgi-bin/exmenu/
Everyone should make a bookmark for it. Regards -- Mark
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 8:27
am
Subject: Re: Ben & Jerry's Tangerine Dream Ice Cream
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: TangerineC@a...
>
> In a message dated 97-04-23 19:17:34 EDT, you write:
>
> >First there was 'Cherry Garcia,' then came 'Phish Food' now - Tangerine
> >Dream! Ben & Jerry's latest ice cream flavor! Vanilla ice cream with
> >chunks of tangerine! Sounds tasty.
>
> This is an excellent idea. For now though, i'll have to stir it up at home
> until it comes out. Hopefully soon. Hey, Let's all write to Ben and Jerry's
> about his great idea!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't B&J's actually create TD ice cream
about 3 years ago ? I was recently working in the States, and went to
B&J's with the intention of getting a tub. It was nowhere to be seen.
I believe (pure conjecture) that they were told in no uncertain terms
to cease and desist by Edgar's pet lawyers.
Could anyone check back in the Tadream archives to see if I'm making
this up ? I don't have Web access at the moment.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 4:42
pm
Subject: Re: Ben & Jerry's Tangerine Dream Ice Cream
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't B&J's actually create TD ice cream
> about 3 years ago ? I was recently working in the States, and went to
> B&J's with the intention of getting a tub. It was nowhere to be seen.
> I believe (pure conjecture) that they were told in no uncertain terms
> to cease and desist by Edgar's pet lawyers.
I certainly recall a discussion some years ago about this.
Someone said they had seen a TD flavour in one of those big
chain types (Baskin & Robbins, maybe?) but I don't remember
what the outcome was.
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GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 9:02
am
Subject: Re: Is TD washed up?
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
To answer the header first, 'Yes, darn tootin' they are !'
> Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
> hours, then release it and call it music. Edgar needs to stop having the
> 'go where no man has gone before' attitude and go where man has gone
> before and kicked some ass. So many times he's mentioned that he's going
> to head into uncharted lands, create sounds no one can create or copy...
heroic explorer ? Down at the mall getting inspiration when he should
be out in the desert finding himself some peyote.
> All I ever hear anymore from TD is that blasted DX72 sound, Stratotro, on
> EVRYTHING (you know, the voice that's all over Treasure of Innocence).
Agreed ! Where are the gothic phased strings and haunting mellotron ?
> Edgar is not mysterious anymore...and neither is TD. Like Franke, they
> need to make great music again. I wish most TD fans would show a little
> more discernment when judging what TD puts out these days.
A lot of people DO like the recent stuff better. Don't ask me why.
The fans of older TD HAVE shown discernment - they stop buying their
crap CD's and don't go out of their way to see their crap shows.
That's what I did.
I have a similar problem with other bands. Hawkwind are one of my
favourites, but they seem to veer wildly about, going from completely
focussed, kick ass space rock, right through to Spinal Tap out-takes.
I still go to see them, but I never know if I'm going to see one of
the most cosmic gigs of my life, or one of the most embarrassing
displays of tired old British hippydom (on their last tour they
called it the 25th Anniversary tour - no prizes for guessing which
category THAT one fell into).
Until TD 'get their heads together', I won't be buying anything new.
It can be done - have you listened to Oxygene 7-13 ? Jean Michel Jarre
has really gone right back to the '70s, and consequently sounds far
batter than he ever did during the '80s and '90s. I'm going to see
him in Glasgow in June as a direct result of this new/old approach
to his music.
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From:
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: Re: Information on Quinoa CD Availability
Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...>
Further Update on Quinoa:
I've just spoken with Voiceprint and here is the best contact. Ring Simon Hart
on +44 (0)191 584 2120, he is in charge of selling these items, and he's just
got the OK to sell them. The fax number for him is +44 (0)191 512 1104
He has a box of them in the storehouse and when they're gone, well ... they're
gone! The price is a most reasonable L15 (15 UK Pounds). They accept credit card
orders no problem.
From:
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Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 5:54
pm
Subject: Time for a Change?
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
*** Long and potentially controversial post. Let's not
argue about the words I use, just the sentiment! ***
Though not necessarily agreeing that TD are 'washed up', as
is being suggested in a recent thread, I
would suggest that they are indeed stuck in a sameness
'rut'. With the obvious exception of the Dream Mixes, I
would suggest that every album between Rockoon and Goblin's
Club is of the same style.
Within this period, they have undoubtedly strived for
change and progress, but have rarely reached passed the
bubble which is containing them in the sax/guitar/drum
frame-of-mind.
Now, each album in this period does have its differences -
TD being TD means that whilst remining in a rut, they still
change style between albums more than most bands change
through their entire career. But looking back over the
various phases of TD, it is apparent to me that they have
moved very little in the past 6 or 7 years.
Compare the following :
Electronic Meditaion (1970) with Rubycon (1975)
Ricochet (1975) with Exit (1981)
Thief (1981) with Underwater Sunlight (1986)
Tyger (1987) with Rockoon (1992)
Rockoon (1992) with Goblin's Club (1996)
Certainly in the first four cases, I challenge anyone to
say that there has not been significant change between the
first and second albums quoted (NOTE - _change_, no mention
of better or worse). In the last case, it is a little more
difficult (for me anyway). Whilst I'm not saying that these
two are the same, I believe the change is far less than
before.
And does anyone else spot the other obvious difference?
Schulze (1970) with Baumann (1975)
Baumann (1975) with Schmoelling (1981)
Schmoelling (1981) with Haslinger (1986)
Haslinger (1987) with Froese, J (1992)
Froese, J (1992) with Froese, J (1996)
Yup, I think Jerome has outstayed his welcome. Or, we need
a third (real) member to kick new life into the sounds
being produced. Spa, Perica, Hornby, Gradwool have all come
and gone as session musicians. Even if Linda was a 'real'
member as far as playing was concerned, there's little
doubt her contribution to the music was minimal (based on
writing credits over her 7 year association with the band).
Now, we all know there is no chance that Jerome will leave
- if anything I guess it would be Edgar who would step
aside to let his son continue. So we need new blood in
there because it is clear (to me) that the duo just aren't
doing it any more. They are still producing good music
(mostly) but they need to change direction or move
somewhere.
I have no doubt that when Edgar says that they are moving
in new directions he really believes they are or wishes
they were. But it must be difficult to change yourself
without external stimulus, especially when you are used to
external stimulus (i.e. new member arrival) to help.
So, Edgar, I'm not asking that you go back to
playing Rubycon and Encore! I'm not asking that you get
back together with Franke and Haslinger! I'm not asking you
to through Jerome out! I'm not asking you to tell Jerome to
get his hair cut!
What I am asking is - get yourself another band member,
even it's a stranger pulled off the street, so that his
ideas can kick-start your seemingly dormant genius once
again!
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 2:59
pm
Subject: Budapest concer review
Really-From: 'Szalma Zsolt'
Hi folks,
Well, I am sort of a newbie on this list. I only subscribed two weeks
ago but I like it very much so far!
It was especially intersting reading the European concert reviews.
Thanks guys!
And just adding one more to the row, here's my experience of the TD
concert on April 22 at the Petofi Csarnok.
First of all, the place where the show was held at is rather small.
The concert room can hold no more than a 1000 people I think. So it
looked like we'd be going to experience a very personal show, almost
like a big family. The said thing was that the room got comletely
crowded by the time the concert started and I could barely move.
(There are quite a few TD fans in Hungary, it seems.) Anyway, luckily
we (me and my brother) managed to get as close to the stage as
possible, there was only one row of people standing before us.
Just a few observation: I overheard some people talking and almost
all of them(!) was talking about computers and related stuff
(besides discussing TD, of course). An other thing, most of those
attending the show were at their late twenties or early thirties.
No teenagers at all and a few older folks. The third thing, there
were considerably more men then women. (I don't know the reason.)
The show was to start at 8pm. Five before 8, the people in the front
started to clap, shout and calling for the band. We could clearly
feel the anticipation in the atmosphere all around. The concert was
about to start in any minute now and the crowd got more and more
excited. Finally, at about 8:05 it happened! TD started with a song
from Oasis with the curtains still covering the stage from us.
We became scilent in an instant and our eyes were glued to the stage.
As if they were teasing with the audience, they remained behind the
curtains for at least 3-4 minutes. And when the first song had ended
the curtains dropped suddenly and there they were in front of us, so
close I could almost touch them. The audience greeted the band with
an enthusiastic yell and whistle as they went on playing the next
song. To be exact, there were not separated songs, the whole show one
major track. The stage setup was quite interesting with Edgar and
Jerome in the middle facing the audience while Zlatko and Emil were
standing at the two end of the stage. They didn't bother to greet us,
rather they were really engaged in their music. Almost as if they
hadn't even noticed our presence. And I liked it very much this way.
With them playing majestic tracks from Logos, Quichotte, Exit, La
Parc, Underwater Sunlight and with the rather abstract images that
were projected on a white sreen behind them, the whole first set was
like a dream. It hypnotized you in a very elegant way. As many of you
mentioned before, this was truely the old Tangerine Dream for an hour
and half. The song bended into each other just perfectly, no
technical failures and the loudness was almost ideal. (It could have
been a little louder as for I'm concerned.)
The drummer was superb. Truly talented and great improviser! Yes, the
spotlights were aimed at us at times and they were very bright but
this didn't diminished the experience.
There were a 20 minute break between the two set. I went to see what
is out there for sale. Cool T-shirts, hats, pins and CDs of course.
But the prices went beyond my financial state so I just looked around
and went back to the concert room. Leaving my place had been a stupid
idea as it turned out later. I had to squeeze myself through the
crowd and I didn't get as an ideal place as during the firs part of
the show. (BTW, thre were no seats, we had to stand.)
The second set were different yet just as good as the vintage part.
They played Oasis (sounds great to me), some tyranny and GC. Zlatko
guitar play was excellent during Firetounges. And also Eric's solo
was brilliant. You could see that Edgar and Jerome were very
impresses by him. (Edgar was smiling and this seldoms happens.)
After the concert was over they came back twice for encore. They even
played Tangram during in the firs one. Purple Haze was to end the
show with great giutar part. The audience was whistling, yelling 'We
love you'. The Froeses were all smiling and taking bows. And then
they all threw their towels into the crowd. Finally, Edgar said a few
words thanking us for coming and hoping we'll see each other soon!
Then they left and I was a little disappointed thet they didn't come
out the us. I had some pictures of me and the band that had been
taken during the 92 American tour an I would have liked TD to sign
them. Oh well, it would have been just icing on the cream!
All in all, I was very impressed and satisfied with TD's performance.
What I concert it was!
Bye,
Zsolo
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From:
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Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 10:15
am
Subject: Stockhausen about TD!
Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
Hi,
recently, on a flight to London, I discovered something very
interesting in my favourite german newspaper, 'Die Zeit'. They
sent a tape to the german avantgarde composer Karlheinz Stockhausen
(I hope you know Stockhausen) with several 5 to 6 minute bits (instead
of complete tracks - shame on 'Die Zeit') of Krautrock - so
avantgardish german rock music of the late 60s/early 70s - and asked him for
his opinion. These tracks were the following:
1.) 'Aumgn' from Can (Album 'Tago Mago')
2.) 'Journey through a burning brain' from TD ('Electronic Meditation')
3.) 'Phallus Dei' from Amon Duul II ('u' are Umlaut here)
4.) 'Suche + Liebe' from Ash Ra Temple (Album 'Schwingungen')
5.) 'Winds - Liebeswehen 2 - Elektron 2 - Ella' from Faust
6.) 'Affenstunde' from Popol Vuh (Dream Part 4)
This is what Stockhousen said about 'Journey...'. I type first the
original german, and then try to translate into english.
Tierschreie, ab 1'27'' verzerrte Gitarrenakzente,
unperiodische Folge. 1'52'' Orgelmusik (etwas verzerrt) mit Kreisch
Geraeuschen; periodisches Tempo 66, As-moll mit Kadenzierungen
zu Des-B-Ges wiederholt. Fromme tonale Kirchenmusik mit mittelalterlichen
Daemonen. Vor ca. 5 Min. taenzerisches, barockes Praeludium im Tempo
144 in As-moll mit jaulenden Gitarrenglissandi fuer ca. 42 Sek.
Dauer ca 5'55'
Nicht interessant:
------------------
dreiteilige form A (Schreie) + A erweitert (plus Gitarrenakzente)
- B (Orgel) - C (Praeludium) / Naturalismus der Schreie /
Gitarren-Klischees, Kreischen / As-moll-Kadenzierung, froemmelnde
Tonalitaet / periodische Wiederholungen in konstantem Tempo ohne
Ziel / Titel angeberisch
Interessant:
------------
unvorhersehbarer Rhythmus im Formteil A.
now the english translation. I don't know the translation of some
music terms, so I simply repeat the german terms since I guess
they are similar in english and you all understand
animal screams, from 1'27'' on distorted guitar accents, non-periodic
sequence. 1'52'' organ music (a bit distorted) with screaming noises;
periodic tempo 66, A-flat-minor with 'Kadenzierungen' to D flat - B -
G flat repeated. Pious tonal church music with middle age demons.
Before approx. 5 Min. dancing-like, baroc prelude tempo 144 in
A-flat minor with howling guitar glissandi for approx. 42 Sek.
duration aprox. 5'55''
Not interesting:
----------------
threefold structure A (screams) + A extended (plus guitar accents)
- B (organ) - C (prelude) / naturalism of screams / guitar 'Klischee',
screaming / A flat minor 'Kadenzierung', pious-like tonality /
periodic repetition with constant speed without aim / title 'bragging'
(not shure about last word)
Interesting:
------------
unpredictable rhythm in part A
armin
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From:
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Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 8:38
pm
Subject: Re: Budapest concer review
Really-From: Pixel
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Szalma Zsolt'
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Well, I am sort of a newbie on this list. I only subscribed two weeks
> ago but I like it very much so far!
A big applause for the new Hungarian subscriber! Zsolt, you are the
fourth after Andrew Rozsa from US, Levente Toth from the UK, and me.
> First of all, the place where the show was held at is rather small.
> The concert room can hold no more than a 1000 people I think. So it
> looked like we'd be going to experience a very personal show
Sorry, I have to correct you a little bit because I know the place well;
we used to organize some events there. It can hold a maximum of 2,500
people, and the TD show ran near to this quantity: with about 2,000
people. It is a huge audience for the current TD if you compare with the
Vienna audience (300) or Amsterdam (600). Anja also agreed with me and
stated that it was almost the best-selled performance, only Bonn has
beaten it.
Gabor Gerenyi
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: (Date Unavailable)
Subject: Stockhausen is Klaus Schulze!!
Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i...
Hello,
>recently, on a flight to London, I discovered something very
>interesting in my favourite german newspaper, 'Die Zeit'. They
>sent a tape to the german avantgarde composer Karlheinz Stockhausen
>(I hope you know Stockhausen) with several 5 to 6 minute bits (instead
>of complete tracks - shame on 'Die Zeit') of Krautrock - so
>avantgardish german rock music of the late 60s/early 70s - and asked him for
>his opinion. These tracks were the following:
It's quite interesting how way out rock groups in the late 60s/early 70s
made music that often sounded quite similar to serious composers of the
same period. The opening of 'Wahn' sounds exactly like a piece by
Berio (can't remember the name), and of course the 'chant' section
from 'Rubycon Part 2' is identical to Ligeti's 'Lux Aeterna' (used at the
beginning of the film '2001'). Then again, Stockhausen's fabulous
'Stimmung' is the true precursor of ambient music.
There's a book called 'Conversations with Stockhausen' by Mia Tannenbaum,
and KS says something like: 'I was walking in Paris and was amazed to
see some showy motorbikes and an infusion of American hyper-reality'.
I think it's my all-time favourite quote... :-)
I also think that Stockhausen and Klaus Schulze are the same person.
They look similar, and of course have the same initials. I bet
no-one has ever seen them together...
Glynn
From:
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Date: (Date Unavailable)
Subject: Re: Time for a Change?
Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
An: tadream @ cs.uwp.edu @ SMTP-GW
Kopie: (Blindkopie: Hilmar Kraft)
Von: tadream @ cs.uwp.edu (tadream mailing list) @ SMTP-GW
Datum: 25.04.97 10:54:04
Thema: Time for a Change?
>Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>*** Long and potentially controversial post. Let's not
>argue about the words I use, just the sentiment! ***
Craig,
to your post, I would like to reply with a short, one-word answer:
OASIS
>From reading your post, I am almost certain that you have not listened to it
yet. I think this album is as far away from Goblins Club in style like any of
the other examples you have mentioned:
>Compare the following :
>Electronic Meditaion (1970) with Rubycon (1975)
>Ricochet (1975) with Exit (1981)
>Thief (1981) with Underwater Sunlight (1986)
>Tyger (1987) with Rockoon (1992)
>Rockoon (1992) with Goblin's Club (1996)
Agreed. But if you change the last line to
Rockoon (1992) with Oasis (1997), then your list is symmetric again.
Other than that you have made a valid point. I also believe that the band has
moved very little over the last 5 years or so, but now my hopes are up that
this might change...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 12:56
pm
Subject: Pleasant surprise
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
I was walking around the local Virgin store at lunchtime today
and for a laugh decided to see if they had a 'Klaus Schulze'
section.
Indeed they did !
The only disc there was 'Timewind' for STLG 10.00
N.P. - Timewind by Klaus Schulze !
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 1:06
pm
Subject: RE: Stockhausen about TD!
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>recently, on a flight to London, I discovered something very
>interesting in my favourite german newspaper, 'Die Zeit'. They
Which issue was that?
Scott
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: Credit Card Orders on an Answering Machine
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Re: Information on Quinoa CD Availability
>Date: 25 Apr 97 05:54:53 EDT
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...>
>
>[...] They accept credit card orders no problem.
Does that mean that I shouldn't worry about having left a message
on their answering machine that has my credit card number and expiration
date on it, then? Or should I phone them long-distance at their non-800
number and place the credit card order *again*?
-- Steven Feldman and
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 8:10
am
Subject: Re: Budapest concer review
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 11:59 AM 4/25/97 CET, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Szalma Zsolt'
>
>
>Hi folks,
>
>Well, I am sort of a newbie on this list. I only subscribed two weeks
>ago but I like it very much so far!
>It was especially intersting reading the European concert reviews.
>Thanks guys!
>And just adding one more to the row, here's my experience of the TD
>concert on April 22 at the Petofi Csarnok.
[....snip.....]
Isten hozott. Welcome to the list. Very nice report. It almost felt as if
we were
there, sans the music, of course. So I re-read your note with a nice
'live' performance CDR in the CD-ROM player. Much better. :-)
Next time let us know in advance if you are going, and for the priviledge
of getting us some tour merchandise, you may find many of us more than
willing to 'finance' some of your own needs for T-shirts, CDs, etc.
Regards,
Andrew (Bandi)
>
>First of all, the place where the show was held at is rather small.
>The concert room can hold no more than a 1000 people I think. So it
>looked like we'd be going to experience a very personal show, almost
>like a big family. The said thing was that the room got comletely
>crowded by the time the concert started and I could barely move.
>(There are quite a few TD fans in Hungary, it seems.) Anyway, luckily
>we (me and my brother) managed to get as close to the stage as
>possible, there was only one row of people standing before us.
>Just a few observation: I overheard some people talking and almost
>all of them(!) was talking about computers and related stuff
>(besides discussing TD, of course). An other thing, most of those
>attending the show were at their late twenties or early thirties.
>No teenagers at all and a few older folks. The third thing, there
>were considerably more men then women. (I don't know the reason.)
>
>The show was to start at 8pm. Five before 8, the people in the front
>started to clap, shout and calling for the band. We could clearly
>feel the anticipation in the atmosphere all around. The concert was
>about to start in any minute now and the crowd got more and more
>excited. Finally, at about 8:05 it happened! TD started with a song
>from Oasis with the curtains still covering the stage from us.
>We became scilent in an instant and our eyes were glued to the stage.
>As if they were teasing with the audience, they remained behind the
>curtains for at least 3-4 minutes. And when the first song had ended
>the curtains dropped suddenly and there they were in front of us, so
>close I could almost touch them. The audience greeted the band with
>an enthusiastic yell and whistle as they went on playing the next
>song. To be exact, there were not separated songs, the whole show one
>major track. The stage setup was quite interesting with Edgar and
>Jerome in the middle facing the audience while Zlatko and Emil were
>standing at the two end of the stage. They didn't bother to greet us,
>rather they were really engaged in their music. Almost as if they
>hadn't even noticed our presence. And I liked it very much this way.
>With them playing majestic tracks from Logos, Quichotte, Exit, La
>Parc, Underwater Sunlight and with the rather abstract images that
>were projected on a white sreen behind them, the whole first set was
>like a dream. It hypnotized you in a very elegant way. As many of you
>mentioned before, this was truely the old Tangerine Dream for an hour
>and half. The song bended into each other just perfectly, no
>technical failures and the loudness was almost ideal. (It could have
>been a little louder as for I'm concerned.)
>The drummer was superb. Truly talented and great improviser! Yes, the
>spotlights were aimed at us at times and they were very bright but
>this didn't diminished the experience.
>There were a 20 minute break between the two set. I went to see what
>is out there for sale. Cool T-shirts, hats, pins and CDs of course.
>But the prices went beyond my financial state so I just looked around
>and went back to the concert room. Leaving my place had been a stupid
>idea as it turned out later. I had to squeeze myself through the
>crowd and I didn't get as an ideal place as during the firs part of
>the show. (BTW, thre were no seats, we had to stand.)
>The second set were different yet just as good as the vintage part.
>They played Oasis (sounds great to me), some tyranny and GC. Zlatko
>guitar play was excellent during Firetounges. And also Eric's solo
>was brilliant. You could see that Edgar and Jerome were very
>impresses by him. (Edgar was smiling and this seldoms happens.)
>After the concert was over they came back twice for encore. They even
>played Tangram during in the firs one. Purple Haze was to end the
>show with great giutar part. The audience was whistling, yelling 'We
>love you'. The Froeses were all smiling and taking bows. And then
>they all threw their towels into the crowd. Finally, Edgar said a few
>words thanking us for coming and hoping we'll see each other soon!
>Then they left and I was a little disappointed thet they didn't come
>out the us. I had some pictures of me and the band that had been
>taken during the 92 American tour an I would have liked TD to sign
>them. Oh well, it would have been just icing on the cream!
>All in all, I was very impressed and satisfied with TD's performance.
>What I concert it was!
>
>Bye,
>Zsolo
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From:
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Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 1:38
pm
Subject: thief/dm/goblin/oasis
Really-From: Michael A Jean
For what its worth, I support the DM over THIEF position....
I've been listening to TD for a LONG TIME...Thief is nice but it is OLD!!!
One of the things I enjoy most about TD is there use of new sounds...
I had fun (even joy) listening to LAMB WITH RADAR EYES...
Regarding OAISIS: It was my perception that the album dates back about
six or seven years, which is why it akin to '220 volt'...I don't think
this is a'new' direction or 'found' sound....
Who knows??? TO each his (or her) own....
Mike J
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 9:37
pm
Subject: Re: Time for a Change?
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
> To: tadream@c...
> Date: 25 Apr 97 14:36:02
> Subject: Re: Time for a Change?
> Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
>
>
> An: tadream @ cs.uwp.edu @ SMTP-GW
> Kopie: (Blindkopie: Hilmar Kraft)
> Von: tadream @ cs.uwp.edu (tadream mailing list) @ SMTP-GW
> Datum: 25.04.97 10:54:04
> Thema: Time for a Change?
>
> >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>
> >*** Long and potentially controversial post. Let's not
> >argue about the words I use, just the sentiment! ***
>
> Craig,
>
> to your post, I would like to reply with a short, one-word answer:
>
> OASIS
>
> From reading your post, I am almost certain that you have not listened to it
> yet. I think this album is as far away from Goblins Club in style like any of
> the other examples you have mentioned:
>
>
> >Compare the following :
> >Electronic Meditaion (1970) with Rubycon (1975)
> >Ricochet (1975) with Exit (1981)
> >Thief (1981) with Underwater Sunlight (1986)
> >Tyger (1987) with Rockoon (1992)
> >Rockoon (1992) with Goblin's Club (1996)
>
> Agreed. But if you change the last line to
>
> Rockoon (1992) with Oasis (1997), then your list is symmetric again.
>
> Other than that you have made a valid point. I also believe that the band has
> moved very little over the last 5 years or so, but now my hopes are up that
> this might change...
>
>
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
---------------------------------------------
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 1:34
pm
Subject: Anyone at Poland Concert?
Really-From: Vic Rek
I haven't heard any comments on the Poland show on 4-23-97. Did it happen?
Judging by past audiences and reviews, the shows in Poland tend to be very
successful events (for both TD and Klaus Schulze).
Anybody on this list go to the show? A review would be appreciated.
Also, please e-mail be privately if you'd like, since I'll be in Poland
during the summer and I'll have some TD goodies with me for trade if I make
some contacts.
Dziekuje i dozobaczenia w lipcu!
Vic
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 9:44
pm
Subject: Re: Time for a Change?
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
Sorry. Did I really send this without responding? Slip of
the finger!
> Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
>
> to your post, I would like to reply with a short, one-word answer:
>
> OASIS
>
> From reading your post, I am almost certain that you have not listened to it
> yet. I think this album is as far away from Goblins Club in style like any of
> the other examples you have mentioned:
You are correct - I have not heard Oasis - YET. But, as I
sit here waiting for the working day to end, I have been
informed by my wife that Mr. Lars Jones package has arrived
and is waiting for me. Inside this package there is Oasis
(signed by all four band members) and Maedchen on the
steps.
> Agreed. But if you change the last line to
>
> Rockoon (1992) with Oasis (1997), then your list is symmetric again.
>
> Other than that you have made a valid point. I also believe that the band has
> moved very little over the last 5 years or so, but now my hopes are up that
> this might change...
I guess that come Monday I'll be able to ither agree or
disagree with your comment. You have to bear in mind that
'one album does not a new direction make', although of
course by the time of Oasis this'll be Dream Mixes,
Goblin's Club and Oasis (i.e. the last three releases)
which are different, so maybe they have changed after all.
And, of course, you'll all understand if I now say
Lars, ah luv ya!
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
---------------------------------------------
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: Re: Ordering from US on cc in UK pounds
Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...>
>Eep. In my haste, I forgot to ask a few questions about ordering
with a credit card from overseas, in general. First of all, what is the
current exchange rate between dollars and pounds; and second, is there
a fee for converting dollars to pounds in credit card ordering, and if
so, what is it? Is it proportional to the subtotal amount? (And I'm
not even going to ask about postal charges.)
This company said that orders take 'up to 28 days' to fill, so I
am wondering how I can confirm that my order was indeed correctly
received (other than finding out about it via a statement from my
bank) before it's too late and all copies of this elusive (and soon to
be illusive?) CD disappear. Perhaps I should contact them via their
*non*-800 number and find out for sure???
Also, these guys are selling the TDI TYRANNY OF BEAUTY CD (the
one with 'Quasar' on it) for 9 pounds 99 pence. What would this be
in dollars? $14.95, or more?
-- Steven Feldman and
<
Steve,
The US dollar--->UKP exchange rate as of two days ago was appx. $1.66 per UK
pound., which would put the Quinoa CD at roughly $25 U.S. per copy (Tyranny
around $17 US). I can't vouch for Voiceprint, but there shouldn't be any
conversion surcharge for ordering with a credit card--I've ordered plenty of
stuff on card from England and other countries--the company gets their payment
in the local tender, and Visa (or whoever the card carrier is) simply charges
your account in US dollars at whatever the appropriate exchange rate is on the
day the charge goes through.
Actually, now's a good time to buy from a US-dollar point of view--when I was in
London last September, it was roughly $1.80 US per pound.
--John
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 2:27
pm
Subject: Common TD CDs for Sale
Really-From: Vic Rek
I'm just cleaning up, so if anyone would like these items, please contact me
off the list. All are in mint or new condition. Postage not included.
1. $7 Rubycon - US Virgin America V2-91009
2. $7 Stratosfear - US Virgin America V2-91010
3. $10 Sorcerer - US MCA MCAD-10842 (new)
4. $10 Flashpoint - US One Way S21-18507, reissue (new)
5. $9 Tyger - UK Jive Electro CHIP 47, 5 tracks 5 indexes, 2/87
6. $10 Extracts from Poland - The Warsaw Concert - UK Jive Electro CHIP 22
7. $9 The Best of Tangerine Dream (Comp. 1973-1987) - UK Jive CHIP 75, 1989
8. $8 Canyon Dreams - US Miramar MPCD 2801, 10/87
9. $8 Rockoon - US Miramar MPCD 2802, 1992
10. $8 Tyranny of Beauty - US Miramar 09006-23046-2, 1995
11. $21 Catch Me if You Can - US Edel Screen EDS 5413-2, 1989 (new)
Thanks,
Vic
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 2:20
pm
Subject: Re: Currency Converter
Really-From: Gary Davis
At 02:02 AM 4/25/97 -0500, Mark Filipak wrote:
>Several questions about currency conversion have come up recently.
>There is a great, free currency converter on the net:
>
>Olsen & Associates: Currency Converter
>http://www.olsen.ch/cgi-bin/exmenu/
Yes, I use this one often. In fact, I even have a link to it from the
ordering page of The Artist Shop. I figure it would help if people knew
what they were paying. But I wonder if it's actually a help to sales.
Sometimes I find myself imagining someone from a distant company ready to
make an order, then he or she goes to check out the converter and with
boggled eyes says, 'What?! $50 is how many drachma?!?! Damn!!!'
Gary
Check out my Christopher Franke page at
**************************************************************
Gary Davis
The Artist Shop The Other Road
http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad@a...
SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!!
**************************************************************
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 2:33
pm
Subject: Re: Re[2]: ideas? (BTH bag)
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-04-24 13:21:28 EDT, you write:
<< ...as to schulze, again, u
probably are unaware that the man has opened a veritable treasure trove of
unreleased material, (unlike others discussed on this list, but always
lamented about) some of which can most definately not be described as
'uninspiring' (imo, of course)...
tom w >>
Good man, Tom! I was thinking much the same as what you wrote.
You put it down in much more succinct phrasing, however. Mine was a bit
more derogatory, so I ended up not responding at all. Your input is wholely
appreciated.
Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 2:29
pm
Subject: Re: Credit Card Orders on an Answering Machine
Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
Hello TD Fans;
I have just recently signed on to the Net and the first site I looked up was
the TD
Homepage, wherein I found this mailing list and immediatly subscribed. I am
thrilled with what I've found here. It is great to find so many folks of
like mind.
About the Quinoa CD from Simon Hart as posted earlier:
I called the number given (very long distance from the U.S. Midwest where I
reside)
and got a very nice lady with a lovely British accent. The company seems to
be a
legitimate business called 'ROCK LICKS'. Unfortunately, She informed me that
Mr. Hart had left for the day and would not be back until Monday. Since I
would
prefer to do business directly with Mr. Hart, I will try again then. I feel
it would be
safer to send an International Money Order and plan to go this route. I'll
let you know
how this works out Monday.
Looking forward to being an active participant in your group!
Graf Zeigen
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 2:46
pm
Subject: Re: Ben & Jerry's Tangerine Dream Ice Cream
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
Well, If there was a flavor called TD, it surely did'nt last very long. I
dont even remember hearing about it. Does anyone have any facts on this?
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 3:03
pm
Subject: d: addendum, week of April 28
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
I'm posting this early since I won't be able to post on Monday
D: List, Addendum; Week of April 28
Oasis
Enjoy (those few of you who have this on CD other wise watch the video)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 3:00
pm
Subject: Re: Is TD washed up?
Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
>
>
>
> I would have to say that you probably have just begun to listen to TD if
> you liked DM over Thief. I'd even understand if one liked say Phaedra or
> even Rubycon over Thief...but DM?? Nah.
>
> D.
>
Wrong again, my man. I have been listening to TD since 1992, and have
heard most, if not all, the albums from _Electronic Meditation_ to the
present. I think you'd be surprised at what some of my least favourite
TD albums are; I pick and choose 'em as I like 'em.
My favourite TD albums? Melrose, Phaedra, Rubycon, Tangram, Le Parc...and
I'd have to say Dream Mixes, too.
Gabe
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 3:02
pm
Subject: quinoa
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
dreamers
Regarding the post that said Quinoa was available for 15 quid at
www.uprint.demon.co.uk. Has anyone ordered one? Do you think this is on
the level or a scam? Is anyone familiar with this place? Are these Quinoas
genuine? The reason I ask is that they should have been about 16-17 quid at
the Bonn concert (50DM) so unless these people worked a deal with the
Family Froese for a large quantity they'll be losing money (first sign of a
scam)...
First the Bonn concert and now this!! aaarrrggghhhhh! I don't have web
access so if anyone can get me one/some I would pay/trade generously for it
-- this is your chance to work a deal!
Please e-mail me off list.
thanks
lars
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: Re: Credit Card Orders on an Answering Machine
Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...>
About the Quinoa CD from Simon Hart as posted earlier:
I called the number given (very long distance from the U.S. Midwest where I
reside)
and got a very nice lady with a lovely British accent. The company seems to
be a
legitimate business called 'ROCK LICKS'. Unfortunately, She informed me that
Mr. Hart had left for the day and would not be back until Monday. Since I
would
prefer to do business directly with Mr. Hart, I will try again then. I feel
it would be
safer to send an International Money Order and plan to go this route. I'll
let you know
how this works out Monday.
The company is actually VoicePrint, I'm not too sure of the Rock Licks
connection, but I've personally spoken to Simon Hart and he seems to have been
charged with selling the TD bits, he's a nice bloke who rang me back several
times to find out if he was allowed to sell me the CD. An alternative number
that is definitely (wo)manned by someone with a lovely accent is +44 (0)191 512
1103. If you have major problems mail me off line, but I won't be back on-line
until Monday. Don't worry about leaving Credit card details I have mentioned the
worries and they do deal with them. I personaly have left my details with no
problems at all.
Looking forward to being an active participant in your group!
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 4:05
pm
Subject: Re: quinoa
Really-From: Kev Holmes
Well, I called up about 3 hours ago and they seemed genuine enough.
I'll let you know when (or if) it arrives...
If it dosen't arrive then the credit card will bounce them to high
hell...
Cheers,
Kev
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
> dreamers
> Regarding the post that said Quinoa was available for 15 quid at
> www.uprint.demon.co.uk. Has anyone ordered one? Do you think this is on
> the level or a scam? Is anyone familiar with this place? Are these Quinoas
> genuine? The reason I ask is that they should have been about 16-17 quid at
> the Bonn concert (50DM) so unless these people worked a deal with the
> Family Froese for a large quantity they'll be losing money (first sign of a
> scam)...
>
> First the Bonn concert and now this!! aaarrrggghhhhh! I don't have web
> access so if anyone can get me one/some I would pay/trade generously for it
> -- this is your chance to work a deal!
>
> Please e-mail me off list.
>
> thanks
> lars
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 3:41
pm
Subject: Oasis Info, Bitte...
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
Hello all, I've yet another request for info. This time I'd like to a
complete track listing of the Oasis CD, including running times. And,
since you've already got the sucker handy, if you could type up the
relevant production credits and catalog number, I'd be grateful.
Thanks in advance,
B. Kirby
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 21, 1997 5:57
pm
Subject: CD Case Label Programs
Really-From: Jim Moore
I'm looking for a Win95 program that allows easy creation of
jewel case liners. Does anyone have any suggestions?
If we're not supposed to eat animals, how come they're made of meat?
jimbo@v... --- Jim Moore -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA
-----------------> http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo <--------------------------
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 5:06
pm
Subject:
Really-From: ashok prema
Grant writes;.......
''I think you'll find that most of the music the fans have produced is
a lot better than much of TD's output, for the simple reason that TD
made a lot of mistakes publically, and the fans don't go down those
paths. Instead, they concentrate on the good bits and don't recreate
the crap bits (I'm sure even Edgar would love to forget many of his
'weaker' moments). Also, fans can take months to produce a single
track, whereas Edgar and co have an incredibly full schedule to run.
As for production quality, the equipment available now to semi-pro
and even amateur musicians is far superior to what was available in
the '70s. Even a moderately powered PC can transform recorded music
incredibly (noise removal, equalisation, compression, etc).''
I'm afraid I dispute the first paragraph - indeed there is much good music
out there being made by amateurs - but it is rare to find an amateur
who not only produces consistent quality in the composition - but also has
the ability to record to a professional standard - which is not easy
despite the technological advances made over the last 20 years. I speak as
a musician with some such equipment - which indeed may be technologically
superior to, say, the equipment used to produce 'Tangram' - (which believe
it or not - was recorded on a mere 8-track tape machine.!!) - but I
cannot get the production quality of 'Tangram' - mainly because I do not
possess the engineering skills required to record an album up to a top
notch standard. And here I am totally disregarding the musical content!
You must remember that most amateur musicians may buy top quality synths
and mixing desks - and even digital recording equipment - but few can
afford the top notch reverbs and delay necessary to produce a pro - album
( - a single reverb unit can cost around £1000 - so its not suprising that
we don't rush out to spend this sort of money on something which doesn't
actually produce its own sounds!!) Most people fail to undrstand the
difference a good engineer can make - but you need only talk to top
musicians - and you'll find that they rarely engineer themselves - they
leave that to the experts. It's back to the old age adage - it's not the
equipment thats so important - it's how you use it that counts!
As to the comment about time constraints - the expertise TD has gained
over the years stand them in good stead- and they can still produce music
in a day that amateurs can't match in years of composing a single track -
some people have it - others don't - and never aquire it how ever long they
take!! - TD's early days of improvising prove they have an inherent talent.
Finally, I really don't think even contentwise, many amateurs can compose
music to even to 'poor TD' quality - its all well for the musician himself
to think his music is better than latter day TD - even I feel that way about
some of my tracks - but independant listeners will probably think otherwise.
Playing the devils advocate yet again!! ..........Ash
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 5:12
pm
Subject: Dream Roots
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
What are all the tracks on the 5cd Dream Roots?
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: The Print Run on QUINOA
Really-From: Steven Feldman
Er, it has bothered me that *300* copies of QUINOA have surfaced in
that I seem to recall that not too many of these puppies were pressed in
the first place. I don't recall the precise number (the CD came out
after VOICES IN THE DUNES did), but wasn't it something like 500? Or
was it 1000? Either way, it's sorta fishy that a whole 300 should all
of a sudden turn up at the same time that Crazy Eddie has gone full
tilt with his Special Limited Edition TDI scam-a-thon. Could it be
that Ed himself stashed the 300 away for just this occasion?!?!?
-- Steven Feldman and
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 5:33
pm
Subject: Re: TD-Digest #891
Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: PNaunton@a...
>
> In a message dated 97-04-19 11:16:02 EDT, you write:
>
> << << By vangelis I dont like his niewer stuff. Albedo 0.39 is a classic, as
> well as other fine works such as Antarctica, Heven and Hell, Blade
> Runner soundtrack... >>
>
> Although I don't completely agree with you above, I can hear what
> you are saying. I really like some of his more recent work, like 'Oceanic'
> or 'The City' or 'Voices', but occasionally my wife will hear me listening
> to some of these, and she will say. ' I thought you really hated this 'New
> Age' mush.'
That's the reason I don't like it, It's too soft for my taste.
You should try Himekami's 'Moonwater', a very good compilation of their
best themes. A very addictive music.
---
Francisco
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 5:36
pm
Subject: sylvian/fripp/brook tour? >>
Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
>
> In a message dated 97-04-23 01:18:10 EDT, you write:
>
> << << btw, did u c the
> sylvian/fripp/brook tour? >>
>
> Sounds like and interesting Trio!
> >>
>
> yeah...it really was...actually it was billed as sylvian and fripp, with
> michael brook as the opening act, which he did , and then supported sylvian,
> fripp, mastoletto (sp?) and trey gunn...powerful stuff....
Is there, by chabce, a recording of that show? I would like to hear it.
---
Francisco
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 3:28
pm
Subject: Re: Time for a Change?
Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>
> Sorry. Did I really send this without responding? Slip of
> the finger!
>
> > Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
> >
> > to your post, I would like to reply with a short, one-word answer:
> >
> > OASIS
> >
> > From reading your post, I am almost certain that you have not listened to it
> > yet. I think this album is as far away from Goblins Club in style like any
of
> > the other examples you have mentioned:
> You are correct - I have not heard Oasis - YET. But, as I
> sit here waiting for the working day to end, I have been
> informed by my wife that Mr. Lars Jones package has arrived
> and is waiting for me. Inside this package there is Oasis
> (signed by all four band members) and Maedchen on the
> steps.
>
> > Agreed. But if you change the last line to
> >
> > Rockoon (1992) with Oasis (1997), then your list is symmetric again.
> >
> > Other than that you have made a valid point. I also believe that the band
has
> > moved very little over the last 5 years or so, but now my hopes are up that
> > this might change...
> I guess that come Monday I'll be able to ither agree or
> disagree with your comment. You have to bear in mind that
> 'one album does not a new direction make', although of
> course by the time of Oasis this'll be Dream Mixes,
> Goblin's Club and Oasis (i.e. the last three releases)
> which are different, so maybe they have changed after all.
>
> And, of course, you'll all understand if I now say
>
> Lars, ah luv ya!
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
> GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
> Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
>
> E-mail : cordrey@m...
> ---------------------------------------------
I think you'll appreciate Oasis far more than GC. Oasis returns to what I
feel is classic melodic TD. When I first heard the disc I even assumed
that Franke or Haslinger had something to do with it. Then I realized it
was Jerome & Edgar alone...and I was amazed. Just goes to show ya that
they can produce great music...when they want to.
Dano
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 3:37
pm
Subject: What Dream mixes really is?
Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
> For what its worth, I support the DM over THIEF position....
>
> I've been listening to TD for a LONG TIME...Thief is nice but it is OLD!!!
>
> One of the things I enjoy most about TD is there use of new sounds...
>
> I had fun (even joy) listening to LAMB WITH RADAR EYES...
>
> Regarding OAISIS: It was my perception that the album dates back about
> six or seven years, which is why it akin to '220 volt'...I don't think
> this is a'new' direction or 'found' sound....
>
> Who knows??? TO each his (or her) own....
>
> Mike
Dream Mixes is really not too prolific. I mean come on, it's a techno
album. How long have techno albums been coming out? What makes this CD
any different than any other techno CD out there? Is it good just because
TD did it? I think too many TD fans defend bad TD just to remain loyal.
There's no objectivity anymore when it comes many TD fans. I'm not saying
DM is a bad album. I like it. But it's nothing special at all. If
definately doesn't deserve to be placed in the same catagory with fine
productions such as Thief, Le Parc, or Underwater Sunlight.
Dano (hey man, it's just my opinion)
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 6:17
pm
Subject: Re: Time for a Change?
Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>
[....]
> So, Edgar, I'm not asking that you go back to
> playing Rubycon and Encore! I'm not asking that you get
> back together with Franke and Haslinger! I'm not asking you
> to through Jerome out! I'm not asking you to tell Jerome to
> get his hair cut!
>
> What I am asking is - get yourself another band member,
> even it's a stranger pulled off the street, so that his
> ideas can kick-start your seemingly dormant genius once
> again!
[....]
Yes ! I agree to all, Craig.
Do you ever compare
Schnitzler (1970) with Schnitzler (1996),
Klaus Schulze (Digit1980) with Klaus Schulze (Are you sequenced 1996) ?
Most single artists (even those that don´t care about economic success) are
not able to be progressive for a long period.
[To Hilmar:
>Rockoon (1992) with Oasis (1997), then your list is symmetric again.<
I agree,
but if you compare OASIS (recorded 1996, released 1997) with Canyon Dreams,
it seems that there are not much new ideas on OASIS (nevertheless I love
OASIS).
Jens
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 6:30
pm
Subject: Re: CD Case Label Programs
Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> Really-From: Jim Moore
>
>
> I'm looking for a Win95 program that allows easy creation of
> jewel case liners. Does anyone have any suggestions?
I use Microsofts Publisher 95/97.
It doesn't have the jewel case liners in it standard, but I got that
from a music-magazine. If you want it (a publisher-file) I can mail it
to you.
Marcel
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 6:48
pm
Subject: Re: Oasis Info, Bitte...
Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>
> Hello all, I've yet another request for info. This time I'd like to a
> complete track listing of the Oasis CD, including running times. And,
> since you've already got the sucker handy, if you could type up the
> relevant production credits and catalog number, I'd be grateful.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> B. Kirby
Here it comes:
OASIS (OST) [1996] - EF/JF
1- Flashflood [7:00] 5- Waterborne [7:20]
2- Zion [5:43] 6- Cedar Breaks [5:07]
3- Reflections [5:08] 7- Summer Storm [6:06]
4- Cliff Dwellers [5:06] 8- Mopi Mesa Heart [5:51]
1-CD [1997] TDI (EU) TDICD007
All musical material has been entirely composed, performed and recorded by
Edgar Froese and Jerome Froese at Eastgate Studios Vienna 1996.
(released 1997).
The spindle hole says DADC, Austria.
Is this enough, Brian ?
Bye
Jens
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 6:47
pm
Subject: Re: More Questions re Ordering QUINOA; Credit-Card Woes
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-04-24 17:58:53 EDT, you write:
<< Eep. In my haste, I forgot to ask a few questions about ordering
with a credit card from overseas, in general. First of all, what is the
current exchange rate between dollars and pounds; and second, is there
a fee for converting dollars to pounds in credit card ordering, and if
so, what is it? Is it proportional to the subtotal amount? (And I'm
not even going to ask about postal charges.) >>
the current exchange rate (4/24) was one pound to 1.662 dollars...the pound
is falling, btw...no there usually is no fee by ur credit card co. for doing
this...in fact, due to large currency conversions by the major credit card
companies, ur exchange rates are usually better than if u did it personally
at a bank...postal cahrges are another story...if it makes u feel any better,
i did exactly the same thing u did...most credit card companies alllow u 2
dispute any charge, and they'll do all the leg work 4 u...so, if u dont get
the goods, call ur company, tell them, and dont pay...easy as that...
tom w
np steel pulse - sound system
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 7:00
pm
Subject: Re: sylvian/fripp/brook tour? >>
Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
>
[...]
> > yeah...it really was...actually it was billed as sylvian and fripp,
with
> > michael brook as the opening act, which he did , and then supported
sylvian,
> > fripp, mastoletto (sp?) and trey gunn...powerful stuff....
>
> Is there, by chabce, a recording of that show? I would like to hear it.
>
>
> ---
> Francisco
I own a b**tleg 2CD recorded live at the nakano sun plaza, tokyo october
26th during the Fripp, Sylvian, Gunn and Bottrill tour 1993 (DDD 1994).
It is distributed by Why Not? S.r.l. - Italy.
If one wants the tracking list e-mail me OFFLIST.
After getting it I sold the God´s Monkey CD ! The sound is brilliant !
Jens
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 7:25
pm
Subject: Re: Re[2]: ideas? (BTH bag)
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-04-25 10:44:34 EDT, you write:
<< Good man, Tom! I was thinking much the same as what you wrote.
You put it down in much more succinct phrasing, however. Mine was a bit
more derogatory, so I ended up not responding at all. Your input is wholely
appreciated.
>>
thanks...now if we could only 'inspire' td to open the trove...
tom w
np: steel pulse - sound system
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 7:47
pm
Subject: Re: What Dream mixes really is?
Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
>
>
> tadream mailing list wrote:
> >
> > Really-From: Michael A Jean
> >
> > For what its worth, I support the DM over THIEF position....
> >
> > I've been listening to TD for a LONG TIME...Thief is nice but it is OLD!!!
> >
> > One of the things I enjoy most about TD is there use of new sounds...
> >
> > I had fun (even joy) listening to LAMB WITH RADAR EYES...
> >
> > Regarding OAISIS: It was my perception that the album dates back about
> > six or seven years, which is why it akin to '220 volt'...I don't think
> > this is a'new' direction or 'found' sound....
I'd have to agree with this assessment, it's probably not representative
of what they have in store. Then again, they may be completely willing
to go back to that point and develop it further, if they feel the years
from '94-'97 were really all a mistake.
> > Who knows??? TO each his (or her) own....
> >
> > Mike
>
> Dream Mixes is really not too prolific. I mean come on, it's a techno
> album. How long have techno albums been coming out? What makes this CD
> any different than any other techno CD out there? Is it good just because
> TD did it? I think too many TD fans defend bad TD just to remain loyal.
> There's no objectivity anymore when it comes many TD fans.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Like there ever was!
> I'm not saying DM is a bad album. I like it. But it's nothing special
> at all. If definately doesn't deserve to be placed in the same catagory with
> fine productions such as Thief, Le Parc, or Underwater Sunlight.
>
> Dano (hey man, it's just my opinion)
Sure it does. It was well-produced, and VERY well-executed. It
re-introduced a certain 'organic' quality to TD's music that had been
missing for a LONG time (not even my favourite album, _Melrose_, had this
quality), and I thought that was very nice to hear again. It had
energy and verve that _ToB_ and _GC_ (its successor...) could only
dream of (pun probably intended). Plus, it WAS a bit of a different statement
as far as techno goes, if you contrast the typical analog-heavy techno sound
with the heavily digitalised sound of 1990s TD, which _Dream Mixes_ still
represents. As an album, I think it is
much better than _Underwater Sunlight_. Blasphemy? Maybe. But I didn't
get turned on by it besides 'Song Of The Whale', and maybe 'Dolphin Dance'.
_DM_ doesn't have a 'concept' but is stylistically unified. And yet, in
a way, it is almost as stylistically diverse as _Le Parc_; each piece has
its own distinctive character and mood(s).
Gabe
who is still looking ahead to where TD is going
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 7:20
pm
Subject: Re: The Print Run on QUINOA
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
> Er, it has bothered me that *300* copies of QUINOA have surfaced in
>that I seem to recall that not too many of these puppies were pressed in
>the first place. I don't recall the precise number (the CD came out
>after VOICES IN THE DUNES did), but wasn't it something like 500?
Did anyone get one of these? And if so, what does it look like? Perhaps a
comparison to the original will shed some light...
-B. Kirby
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 7:23
pm
Subject: Re[2]: Oasis Info, Bitte...
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>The spindle hole says DADC, Austria.
>Is this enough, Brian ?
Well, you didn't tell me what color it was...
;),
B. Kirby
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 8:06
pm
Subject: Re: CD Case Label Programs(2)
Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
I also use Microsoft Publisher. The results are astounding. It is a matter
of setting
up your page format. I find that Adobe makes very useful programs to use in
conjunction with this, as well.
Graf
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 8:17
pm
Subject: Re: The Print Run on QUINOA
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> ... Either way, it's sorta fishy that a whole 300 should all
> of a sudden turn up ...
It's just another conspiracy Steve.
> ... at the same time that Crazy Eddie ...
Why do you call EF, 'Crazy Eddie?'
> ... has gone full tilt with his Special Limited Edition TDI
> scam-a-thon. ...
It's a conspiracy and a scam! Wow, thanks Steve.
> ... Could it be that Ed himself stashed the 300 away for just this
> occasion?!?!?
Was that before he plotted to take over the Reichstag or after?
People want to know Steve. -- Mark (greatly concerned)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 8:54
pm
Subject: TD Ice Cream
Really-From: dbrewer@a...
> Quoted From: 'Grant Middleton'
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't B&J's actually create TD ice cream
> about 3 years ago ? I was recently working in the States, and went to
> B&J's with the intention of getting a tub. It was nowhere to be seen.
Actually, it was Dreyer's Grand Light ice cream (at least in the western
US) that had a TD flavor. At the time (summer '94) I was working at a
grocery store (blech!!) and I had to stock some of the stuff in the
freezers. Never tried it, tho. I don't like the sound of a 'light' ice
cream. (What is the sound of a light ice cream going down your gullet?
:-) )
Dave Brewer
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 8:02
pm
Subject: Re: Is TD washed up?
Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
> I have a similar problem with other bands. Hawkwind are one of my
> favourites, but they seem to veer wildly about, going from completely
> focussed, kick ass space rock, right through to Spinal Tap out-takes.
> I still go to see them, but I never know if I'm going to see one of
> the most cosmic gigs of my life, or one of the most embarrassing
> displays of tired old British hippydom (on their last tour they
> called it the 25th Anniversary tour - no prizes for guessing which
> category THAT one fell into).
>
> Until TD 'get their heads together', I won't be buying anything new.
>
> It can be done - have you listened to Oxygene 7-13 ? Jean Michel Jarre
> has really gone right back to the '70s, and consequently sounds far
> batter than he ever did during the '80s and '90s. I'm going to see
> him in Glasgow in June as a direct result of this new/old approach
> to his music.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d...
> Grunt ! [, @
> \______/ 'There's too much blood in
> /\ /\ my caffeine system'
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
I completely agree. It seems that most bands these days create something so
drastically
different than what they've become known for that it, to be blunt, just plain
sucks. I
keep buying TD's new CD's in the hopes that they inprove..but I am sad to say
that I
will no longer participate in the episode of 'It's TD, I want it' syndrome. I
have to
hear it before I buy it. Too bad. Never used to have that problem. Few artists
give me
what I expect....great music. Among the undisappointers: Mark Shreeve, Andy
Pickford,
and Jarre. With TD anymore, you know what to expect..badness..you just don't
know how
'bad' it's going to be.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 8:04
pm
Subject: Re: Time for a Change?
Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>
> *** Long and potentially controversial post. Let's not
> argue about the words I use, just the sentiment! ***
>
> Though not necessarily agreeing that TD are 'washed up', as
> is being suggested in a recent thread, I
> would suggest that they are indeed stuck in a sameness
> 'rut'. With the obvious exception of the Dream Mixes, I
> would suggest that every album between Rockoon and Goblin's
> Club is of the same style.
>
> Within this period, they have undoubtedly strived for
> change and progress, but have rarely reached passed the
> bubble which is containing them in the sax/guitar/drum
> frame-of-mind.
>
> Now, each album in this period does have its differences -
> TD being TD means that whilst remining in a rut, they still
> change style between albums more than most bands change
> through their entire career. But looking back over the
> various phases of TD, it is apparent to me that they have
> moved very little in the past 6 or 7 years.
>
> Compare the following :
> Electronic Meditaion (1970) with Rubycon (1975)
> Ricochet (1975) with Exit (1981)
> Thief (1981) with Underwater Sunlight (1986)
> Tyger (1987) with Rockoon (1992)
> Rockoon (1992) with Goblin's Club (1996)
>
> Certainly in the first four cases, I challenge anyone to
> say that there has not been significant change between the
> first and second albums quoted (NOTE - _change_, no mention
> of better or worse). In the last case, it is a little more
> difficult (for me anyway). Whilst I'm not saying that these
> two are the same, I believe the change is far less than
> before.
>
> And does anyone else spot the other obvious difference?
> Schulze (1970) with Baumann (1975)
> Baumann (1975) with Schmoelling (1981)
> Schmoelling (1981) with Haslinger (1986)
> Haslinger (1987) with Froese, J (1992)
> Froese, J (1992) with Froese, J (1996)
>
> Yup, I think Jerome has outstayed his welcome. Or, we need
> a third (real) member to kick new life into the sounds
> being produced. Spa, Perica, Hornby, Gradwool have all come
> and gone as session musicians. Even if Linda was a 'real'
> member as far as playing was concerned, there's little
> doubt her contribution to the music was minimal (based on
> writing credits over her 7 year association with the band).
>
> Now, we all know there is no chance that Jerome will leave
> - if anything I guess it would be Edgar who would step
> aside to let his son continue. So we need new blood in
> there because it is clear (to me) that the duo just aren't
> doing it any more. They are still producing good music
> (mostly) but they need to change direction or move
> somewhere.
>
> I have no doubt that when Edgar says that they are moving
> in new directions he really believes they are or wishes
> they were. But it must be difficult to change yourself
> without external stimulus, especially when you are used to
> external stimulus (i.e. new member arrival) to help.
>
> So, Edgar, I'm not asking that you go back to
> playing Rubycon and Encore! I'm not asking that you get
> back together with Franke and Haslinger! I'm not asking you
> to through Jerome out! I'm not asking you to tell Jerome to
> get his hair cut!
>
> What I am asking is - get yourself another band member,
> even it's a stranger pulled off the street, so that his
> ideas can kick-start your seemingly dormant genius once
> again!
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
> GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
> Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
>
> E-mail : cordrey@m...
> ---------------------------------------------
I AM asking Jerome to get his hair cut! Cut it Jerome!!! You look like
Roseanne!!!
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59
am
Subject: Re: Is TD washed up?
Really-From: Ryan Smith
>> Edgar is not mysterious anymore...and neither is TD. Like Franke, they
>> need to make great music again. I wish most TD fans would show a little
>> more discernment when judging what TD puts out these days.
>
>A lot of people DO like the recent stuff better. Don't ask me why.
>The fans of older TD HAVE shown discernment - they stop buying their
>crap CD's and don't go out of their way to see their crap shows.
>That's what I did.
I agree and disagree. My favorite TD albums are by far the ones from the
70s (early 70s especially). I've tried several 80s and 90s albums, but
just ended up returning them, because, frankly, they just didn't have the
magic sound that had turned me on to TD in the first place (like Force
Majuere for example). I do, however, think that some of their recent
efforts (such as DM and Goblin's Club) are at least an improvement over
the Seattle Years (but that doesn't mean I'm going to run out and buy
them). The thing is though, maybe the TD 70s sound that so many of us
love BELONGS in the 70s and we shouldn't be expecting Edgar to resurrect
the past. After I pretty much completed my TD 70s collection and was
anxious for more, I turned to other German experimentalists from the 70s,
and found there was a wide variety of other artists to choose from (not
all of which were great, but some of which were pretty damn good). Thus I
can understand why BTH wants to expand to cover more than just TD. So if
you're tired of waiting for Edgar to rediscover the magic, try some other
artists in the meantime. Maybe you'll be surprised (although I have to
admit that TD is still my favorite). Here are a few suggestions if you're
interested: Klaus Schulze, Popol Vuh, Jean-Michael Jarre (although I've
never heard him myself), and any former members of TD.
Kaldari
kaldari@c...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 11:30
pm
Subject: Re: What Dream mixes really is?
Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
> There's no objectivity anymore when it comes many TD fans. I'm not saying
> DM is a bad album. I like it. But it's nothing special at all. If
> definately doesn't deserve to be placed in the same catagory with fine
> productions such as Thief, Le Parc, or Underwater Sunlight.
Yes it deserves it. Dream Mixes is the best TD has done in the 90'ies
It's the last 'great', album TD has prodiced and is one reason I hope
TD will surprise us again in the future ( hopefully near future)
> Dano (hey man, it's just my opinion)
Same applies to me.
N.P. TD: Persistence of Vision
----
Francisco
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 11:40
pm
Subject: Re: Time for a Change?
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>
> *** Long and potentially controversial post. Let's not
> argue about the words I use, just the sentiment! ***
An open invitation to come out and play. ;-)
> Though not necessarily agreeing that TD are 'washed up', as
> is being suggested in a recent thread, I
> would suggest that they are indeed stuck in a sameness
> 'rut'. With the obvious exception of the Dream Mixes, I
> would suggest that every album between Rockoon and Goblin's
> Club is of the same style.
Same style I would not argue with. Sameness 'rut?' -- I disagree.
Would you say that they were stuck in a sameness 'rut' when they turned
out 'Phaedra' followed by 'Rubycon' or is the string of albums starting
with 'Force Majeure' and ending with 'Poland' a sameness 'rut' in your
mind? Point is the albums from 'Optical Race' through 'Goblins' Club'
exhibit just as much variety or more. That they seem the same to you is
your misfortune -- sometimes a plain woman is more than a plain woman
when viewed through different eyes.
> Within this period, they have undoubtedly strived for
> change and progress, but have rarely reached passed the
> bubble which is containing them in the sax/guitar/drum
> frame-of-mind.
This is the style of TD-Lite. You don't like it? -- that's fine. It
appears to be changing and perhaps you'll be happier in the future (and
poorer as you convert $ into discs). ;-)
> Now, each album in this period does have its differences -
> TD being TD means that whilst remining in a rut, they still
> change style between albums more than most bands change
> through their entire career. But looking back over the
> various phases of TD, it is apparent to me that they have
> moved very little in the past 6 or 7 years.
Yes Craig. It's apparent to you. I know it's been apparent to you for
a long time now. But keep writing it as I never tire of reading it.
> Compare the following :
> Electronic Meditaion (1970) with Rubycon (1975)
> Ricochet (1975) with Exit (1981)
> Thief (1981) with Underwater Sunlight (1986)
> Tyger (1987) with Rockoon (1992)
> Rockoon (1992) with Goblin's Club (1996)
Were you trying to make a point here?
> Certainly in the first four cases, I challenge anyone to
> say that there has not been significant change between the
> first and second albums quoted (NOTE - _change_, no mention
> of better or worse). In the last case, it is a little more
> difficult (for me anyway). Whilst I'm not saying that these
> two are the same, I believe the change is far less than
> before.
There is significant change in all your examples, including from
'Rockoon' to 'Goblins' Club' -- too bad you don't hear it.
> And does anyone else spot the other obvious difference?
> Schulze (1970) with Baumann (1975)
> Baumann (1975) with Schmoelling (1981)
> Schmoelling (1981) with Haslinger (1986)
> Haslinger (1987) with Froese, J (1992)
> Froese, J (1992) with Froese, J (1996)
>
> Yup, I think Jerome has outstayed his welcome.
What about
Froese, E (1970) with Froese, E (1975)
Froese, E (1975) with Froese, E (1981)
Froese, E (1981) with Froese, E (1986)
Froese, E (1987) with Froese, E (1992)
Froese, E (1992) with Froese, E (1996)
I suppose he's **really** outstayed his welcome. Should we dump him? --
or just dump on him?
> Or, we need
> a third (real) member to kick new life into the sounds
> being produced. Spa, Perica, Hornby, Gradwool have all come
> and gone as session musicians. Even if Linda was a 'real'
> member as far as playing was concerned, there's little
> doubt her contribution to the music was minimal (based on
> writing credits over her 7 year association with the band).
Agreed, the band needs a new edge. Perhaps the new lineup will work
that way -- reports of Froese, E smiling on stage while nodding to
Hachfeld, E is very encouraging to me!
> Now, we all know there is no chance that Jerome will leave
Who knows? He may revolt and grow his hair even longer and poofier and
become the next Liberace. Maybe he can sing? Phil Collins is getting
old and in need of replacement. Or maybe Jerome yearns to be a hair
dresser? Look how many kids J.S.B. had and only 2 became notable
musicians. Perhaps Edgar and Monika should adopt.
> - if anything I guess it would be Edgar who would step
> aside to let his son continue. So we need new blood in
> there because it is clear (to me) that the duo just aren't
> doing it any more. They are still producing good music
> (mostly) but they need to change direction or move
> somewhere.
Give them time Craig. Edgar declared a new (saxless) direction (which
I'm tentatively calling 'E-Power'). Let's all see if he delivers before
we condemn him to a retirement home, shall we?
> I have no doubt that when Edgar says that they are moving
> in new directions he really believes they are or wishes
> they were. But it must be difficult to change yourself
> without external stimulus, especially when you are used to
> external stimulus (i.e. new member arrival) to help.
(See previous comment)
> So, Edgar, I'm not asking that you go back to
> playing Rubycon and Encore! I'm not asking that you get
> back together with Franke and Haslinger! I'm not asking you
> to through Jerome out! I'm not asking you to tell Jerome to
> get his hair cut!
>
> What I am asking is - get yourself another band member,
> even it's a stranger pulled off the street, so that his
> ideas can kick-start your seemingly dormant genius once
> again!
Volunteers? Who will take on the old man? Who could?
This was fun Craig. Thanks -- Mark (prematurely young)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 11:01
pm
Subject: Re: Dream Roots
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: TangerineC@a...
>
> What are all the tracks on the 5cd Dream Roots?
Here's more than you wanted to know. BTW, the track names are their
actual names, not necessarily what's printed. If you are unfamiliar
with any of these ('The Smuggler' for example) I can cross reference
them. Cheers -- Mark
DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD) + BOOK OF DREAMS (2-CD)
1- Birth of Liquid Plejades 23- Underwater Twilight [5:53]
[4:48] (&) 24- Livemiles [9:01] (%)
2- Journey Through a Burning Brain 25- The Dungeon Cry [7:11] (&)
[3:03] (&) 26- Gaudi Park [5:20]
3- Alpha Centauri [3:22] (&) 27- The Smuggler [6:00] (&)
4- Zeit [3:35] (&) 28- Alchemy of the Heart [8:44]
5- Wahn [3:23] (&; no shouts) 29- The Smuggler [7:51] (2nd remix
6- Fauni-Gena [4:02] (&) with intro; labeled 'Horizon')
7- Green Desert [5:31] (&) 30- Song of the Whale Pt.1
8- White Clouds [4:27] (%) [5:04] (%)
9- Astral Voyager [6:15] (%) 31- Yellowstone Park [6:13]
10- Origin of Supernatural 32- Jungle Mystery Song [5:37]
Probabilities [8:01] (&) 33- Bois de Boulogne [5:17]
11- Indian Summer [6:44] 34- Tiergarten [3:18] (&)
12- Ride on the Ray [5:19] 35- Poland [9:21] (&)
13- Livemiles [7:59] 36- Warsaw in the Sun Pt.1 [4:17]
(Livemiles-Albuquerque 2 plus 37- San Buena Ventura [5:15]
1st half of San Buena Ventura) 38- Rarebird [4:00]
14- Tangent [5:23] (&) 39- Song of the Whale Pt.2
15- Smile [5:45] [6:00] (&)
16- Sunnyvale [7:02] 40- Rotton Row Patriot [4:54] (&)
17- Vigour [4:38] (next 4 - previously unreleased)
18- Central Park [3:39] (&) [Oct 85/Jan 86] - EF/CF
19- Zen Garden [4:46] (&) 41- Valley of the Sun [15:07]
20- Caspian Sea [7:10] 42- Beach Bay Bunker [9:41]
21- Le Parc [3:25] 43- Vanishing Blue [9:13]
22- 21st Century Common Man Pt.2 44- Red Morpho [11:39]
[3:56]
Actual times fr Essential, ???...
% - excerpted by EF; & - remixed by EF
2-CD BOOK OF DREAMS Tracks: Disc 1: 2,3,1,4,6,5,7,35,27,36,30,39 /
Disc 2: 28,25,40,32,13,26,33,21,31
[1995] Essential (GB) EDF 353
[1995] Dureco (NL) EDF 353
[1996] Sequel (US) 1014-2
[19??] 50:50 (FR) ???...
5-CD DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION Tracks: Disc 1: 1-11 / Disc 2: 12-20 /
Disc 3: 21-29 / Disc 4: 30-40 / Disc 5: 41-44
[1996] Essential (GB) ???...
[1996] MSI (US?) 420
[1996] Bertus (NL) ???...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri Apr 25, 1997 11:44
pm
Subject: Re: The Print Run on QUINOA
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> ... I don't recall the precise number (the CD came out after VOICES IN
> THE DUNES did), but wasn't it something like 500? Or was it 1000? ...
I believe the TD home page says 1000. -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59
pm
Subject: ideas
Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner)
>I think you'll find that most of the music the fans have produced is a
>lot better than much of TD's output, for the simple reason that TD made
>a lot of mistakes publically, and the fans don't go down those paths.
>Instead, they concentrate on the good bits and don't recreate the crap
>bits (I'm sure even Edgar would love to forget many of his 'weaker'
>moments). Also, fans can take months to produce a single track, whereas
>Edgar and co have an incredibly full schedule to run.
Again, no offense inteded against the _music_ *, just against sending it
to Edgar to listen to. They get _drowned_ in these things.
So if you want to honor him for the 30th of TD, please do something else,
something that might actually mean something special to him.
=klaus=
* I knew why I started my original comment with this, and still....
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59
pm
Subject: RE: 'The Blob' & ***NO*** book errors
Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner)
>The CD *does* definitely exist, even if it is a real hard-to-find item.
>I have got a copy:
And I can confirm this, and that I've seen it in shops but never
bought it because I think it sucks...
>;-) And I am very sorry, we cannot be held responsible for what has been
>filed in the FAQ or in any Internet music archives.
>
>Peter Stoeferle (author or 'Voices in the dunes')
Dir hau ich.... ;-)
Klaus Beschorner
(co-author of the FAQ, the tadream-FAQ that is, not the
Schnitzler/Schulze/Hoenig etc. etc. ad nauseam ad infinitum... - FAQ)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 4:06
am
Subject: Re:
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 06:06 PM 4/25/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: ashok prema
>
>>''I think you'll find that most of the music the fans have produced is
>>a lot better than much of TD's output, for the simple reason that TD
>>made a lot of mistakes publically, and the fans don't go down those
>>paths. Also, fans can take months to produce a single
>>track, whereas Edgar and co have an incredibly full schedule to run.
>>
>>As for production quality, the equipment available now to semi-pro
>>and even amateur musicians is far superior to what was available in
>>the '70s.
>I'm afraid I dispute the first paragraph - indeed there is much good music
>out there being made by amateurs - but it is rare to find an amateur
>who not only produces consistent quality in the composition
So you're saying that because Tangerine Dream is a professional group and
because they have lots of money, their music is inherently better than music
done by someone who doesn't?
>I speak as
>a musician with some such equipment - which indeed may be technologically
>superior to, say, the equipment used to produce 'Tangram'
>but I
>cannot get the production quality of 'Tangram' - mainly because I do not
>possess the engineering skills required to record an album up to a top
>notch standard.
I don't understand this statement. Phaedra was done on a 4 track, no? You
can't exactly say that TD's equipment between 69 and 75 was always
professional. And finally, haven't Edgar and Jerome engineered the last two
concert CDs themselves? It's *nice* to have $50,000 worth of equipment but I
will argue that professional recordings and mixing can be done with
SoundForge and a SoundBlaster 32.
>And here I am totally disregarding the musical content!
>You must remember that most amateur musicians may buy top quality synths
>and mixing desks - and even digital recording equipment - but few can
>afford the top notch reverbs and delay necessary to produce a pro - album
>( - a single reverb unit can cost around £1000 - so its not suprising that
>we don't rush out to spend this sort of money on something which doesn't
>actually produce its own sounds!!)
I was not aware that a DSP box was required to make great music. So an echo
box makes great music?
>Finally, I really don't think even contentwise, many amateurs can compose
>music to even to 'poor TD' quality - its all well for the musician himself
>to think his music is better than latter day TD - even I feel that way about
>some of my tracks - but independant listeners will probably think
otherwise.
I don't know how to respond to this other than everybody can't be wrong. It
is very admirable that you are putting Tangerine Dream on such a high
pedestal. I think there will be one day, if not already, people producing
maybe just tracks, not even whole albums, which are as good musically as TD.
Am I misquoting Christoph Franke when I say: 'I felt that we were doing
music too fast, releasing unfinished material, there were kids accomplishing
better music than us with a couple of keyboards, that's why I left.' ?
>Playing the devils advocate yet again!! ..........Ash
Morgan
feldon@n...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 4:49
am
Subject: Re: The Print Run on QUINOA
Really-From: Vic Rek
>I believe the TD home page says 1000. -- Mark
>
Yes, and I also believe that the back insert states something like 'This
Edition is not for sale/resale', so what goes here? I guess the original TD
fan club members don't count OR what is printed these days on CDs doesn't
count. Maybe this copyright stuff doesn't mean anything anymore? Lawyers,
get your pens ready..
I have a letter from the 'defunct' fan club stating how rare this will be,
and then I hear that people are being offered this at the 1997 tour and then
that 300 copies show up! I'd like to know who is up to this! This is not
the first time I've complained about the marketing tactics by TD!
Scam-a-thon sounds good to me!
If this CD was for the fans, then why were the 300 copies NOT given away!!!
Let's not forget our values!!
Vic
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 4:53
am
Subject: Re: ideas
Really-From: Vic Rek
Well Klaus,
I challenge you! Come up with something!
>So if you want to honor him for the 30th of TD, please do something else,
>something that might actually mean something special to him.
>
>=klaus=
>
>* I knew why I started my original comment with this, and still....
>
>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 2:49
am
Subject: Re: ideas
Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
> Well Klaus,
>
> I challenge you! Come up with something!
>
> >So if you want to honor him for the 30th of TD, please do something else,
> >something that might actually mean something special to him.
> >
> >=klaus=
> >
> >* I knew why I started my original comment with this, and still....
> >
> >
I know what we can do! Get his son a hair cut! heh heh
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 8:13
am
Subject: T-Bass Competition
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi All,
The results of the Great T-Bass Caption Competition are out now. The
winners were :
First : Francisco Salgado
Second : Michael Fox
Third : Michal Balcerzak
Check out the web page to see Francisco's picture (the only picture entry
we received).
Cheers
David
T-Bass : Electronic Music
email : dhughes@g...
web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 10:00
am
Subject: pro-music by amateurs??
Really-From: ashok prema
rom: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 23:06:41 -0500
Subject: Re:
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 06:06 PM 4/25/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: ashok prema
>
>>''I think you'll find that most of the music the fans have produced is
>>a lot better than much of TD's output, for the simple reason that TD
>>made a lot of mistakes publically, and the fans don't go down those
>>paths. Also, fans can take months to produce a single
>>track, whereas Edgar and co have an incredibly full schedule to run.
>>
>>As for production quality, the equipment available now to semi-pro
>>and even amateur musicians is far superior to what was available in
>>the '70s.
>>I'm afraid I dispute the first paragraph - indeed there is much good=
>>music
>>out there being made by amateurs - but it is rare to find an amateur
>>who not only produces consistent quality in the composition
>So you're saying that because Tangerine Dream is a professional group and
>because they have lots of money, their music is inherently better than music
>done by someone who doesn't?
Absolutely not! - but TD HAVE proven they have a talent to produce good
music - not always to each of our individuals tastes - but if they didn't
or hadn't in the past - neither you or I would be hooked up to this Digest
having this conversation now! - I like Floyd, Camel, Wakeman, Vangelis -
but don't get that heavily involved with the background of their music as I
do with TD.
>>I speak as
>>a musician with some such equipment - which indeed may be =
>>? technologically
>>superior to, say, the equipment used to produce 'Tangram'
>>but I
>>cannot get the production quality of 'Tangram' - mainly because I do not
>>possess the engineering skills required to record an album up to a top
>>notch standard.
I don't understand this statement. Phaedra was done on a 4 track, no? You
can't exactly say that TD's equipment between 69 and 75 was always
professional. And finally, haven't Edgar and Jerome engineered the last two
concert CDs themselves? It's *nice* to have $50,000 worth of equipment but I
will argue that professional recordings and mixing can be done with
SoundForge and a SoundBlaster 32.
>>What is it that you fail to grasp?? - even TD's current production is
superior to >>that of most home based amateur musicicans - and note I say
PRODUCTION >>- not musical content .
>>And here I am totally disregarding the musical content!
>>You must remember that most amateur musicians may buy top quality synths
>>and mixing desks - and even digital recording equipment - but few can
>>afford the top notch reverbs and delay necessary to produce a pro - album
>>( - a single reverb unit can cost around =A31000 - so its not suprising=
t>>hat
>>we don't rush out to spend this sort of money on something which doesn't
>>actually produce its own sounds!!)
>I was not aware that a DSP box was required to make great music. So an echo
>box makes great music?
It isn't - but it is necessary to get a great production! -Most of TD
sequneces are syncopated with delays - take them of and you have dead music.
Why Chris Franke has 30,000 UK pounds worth of effects only - maybe just
for show?? Perhaps top flight studios should should sell all there
effects units and settle down with Soundforge - they can have a grand
improvement in life style with the thousands of pounds they'd save.!
Switch of all the effects and you'd lose a good 50% of the ambience and
feel of almost any album!!
>>Finally, I really don't think even contentwise, many amateurs can compose
>>music to even to 'poor TD' quality - its all well for the musician=
> himself
>>to think his music is better than latter day TD - even I feel that way=
>>about
>>some of my tracks - but independant listeners will probably think
otherwise.
>I don't know how to respond to this other than everybody can't be wrong. It
i>s very admirable that you are putting Tangerine Dream on such a high
>pedestal. I think there will be one day, if not already, people producing
>maybe just tracks, not even whole albums, which are as good musically as TD.
I am a realist. I have heard hundreds of amateur tapes - and frankly a
mere handful would be worthy of a second consideration. There ARE a few top
notch synth musicians (Shreeve, Boddy, Pickford, T-Bass etc) who are almost
if not quite in the same league as TD, Vangelis and Jarre - but I don't
regard these people as 'amateurs' they are pro's - but just haven't hit the
big time - but apart from Shreeve whose studio is top notch most would
admit that finances permitting, they'd like to upgrade their gear - usually
the outboard stuff - NOT they the synths.
Ash
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 10:35
am
Subject: Re: The Print Run on QUINOA
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Vic Rek
> ...
> I have a letter from the 'defunct' fan club stating how rare this will
> be, and then I hear that people are being offered this at the 1997
> tour and then that 300 copies show up! I'd like to know who is up to
> this! This is not the first time I've complained about the marketing
> tactics by TD! Scam-a-thon sounds good to me!
Settle down Vic. I would suppose that a reasonable explanation might be
that TD Productions provided all the Quinoa to TDIFC members who wanted
one and the rest were stashed away and forgotten until recently
rediscovered. Though 'Quinoa' is important to us, it's probably very
perpheral to TDI.
> If this CD was for the fans, then why were the 300 copies NOT given
> away!!!
They were -- to me. I turned around and sold all 300 to a company in
England...
> Let's not forget our values!!
What? Don't you think stlg 15 is value? -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 3:53
pm
Subject: Re: Eat more fruit
Really-From: SYensen@a...
In a message dated 20/04/97 11:27:24, you write:
<< To stay healthy, eat Oranges from France!
They are ready to be picked, do it quick
otherwise you cannot taste them anymore! >>
Eh?
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 3:53
pm
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #895
Really-From: SYensen@a...
<< Hey, I love Cyclone, it was my first exposure to TD and I'll always love
it. >>
So do I. It may not be to everybody's taste, but it's still vintage TD.
My first exposure to TD was Alpha Centauri, and my last so far is Rockoon,
but I'm trying to catch up fast!
Steve Yensen
Nottingham UK.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 3:53
pm
Subject: Quinoa:the sacred disc---now for sale!
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 12:49 AM 4/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>
>>I believe the TD home page says 1000. -- Mark
>>
>Yes, and I also believe that the back insert states something like 'This
>Edition is not for sale/resale', so what goes here? I guess the original TD
>fan club members don't count OR what is printed these days on CDs doesn't
>count.
On one hand, I agree that the disc was designed for the fan club and should
only be given to them. On the other hand, Edgar had discs laying around and
didn't know what to do with them, plus, the fan club has had the discs
exclusively for a few years right? In a way, isn't that enough of a
privilege. I don't want to upset fan club members, but Quinoa has been
shelved long enough. It took 30 years for the Berlin wall to come down, I'm
glad that Quinoa is seeing the light of day in considerably less than that.
>I have a letter from the 'defunct' fan club stating how rare this will be,
>and then I hear that people are being offered this at the 1997 tour and then
>that 300 copies show up! I'd like to know who is up to this! This is not
>the first time I've complained about the marketing tactics by TD!
I agree that their philosophy of releasing an album, then coming out with a
single with *one* more song, forcing everyone to buy two CDs, and then to
add insult to injury, years later releasing one disc with all of the
material on it is silly.
>Scam-a-thon sounds good to me!
>
>If this CD was for the fans, then why were the 300 copies NOT given away!!!
True, I'm sure there are a few interested parties on this list which missed
the boat years ago with the original fan club.
>Let's not forget our values!!
Actually, I felt I was being tasteful by not asking for a copy of Quinoa
from someone since I thought it was a sacred kind of thing. Oh well...
Morgan
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 4:20
pm
Subject: Re: Budapest concer review
Really-From: 'Amadeo J. Szaszdi'
>
> Really-From: Pixel
>
> A big applause for the new Hungarian subscriber! Zsolt, you are the
> fourth after Andrew Rozsa from US, Levente Toth from the UK, and me.
>
> Gabor Gerenyi
An enthusiastic ditto from me on the above.
And please include me on your list:
born Szaszdi Gyula in Budapest, 1942 Nov.
resident/citizen in Cleveland, Ohio 1950 to 1963
employed by Dept. of Veterans Affairs, Washington, 1963 to present
TD fan since buying Peter Baumann's 'Romance 76' in 1977
> It is a huge audience for the current TD if you compare with the
> Vienna audience (300) or Amsterdam (600). Anja also agreed with me and
> stated that it was almost the best-selled performance, only Bonn has
> beaten it.
Outstanding! And for Bonn, it was much cheaper.
AJS
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 4:36
pm
Subject: Re: Dream Roots
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
Wow!!!!! Thanks for the extensive list!!! It really came in handy. O.k.
Questions about some of the songs.
I dont think i've heard about, or the titles are not familiar to me. More
info on these:
Indian Summer
The Smuggler
Sunnyvale
Caspian Sea
Rotten Row Patriot
San Buena Ventura
Jungle Mystery Song
The Dungeon Cry Thanks for your time.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 4:38
pm
Subject: help!
Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
Help!
since three days or so I don't receive any mail from
tadream anymore, but I never unsubscribed! Who can
fix or help me? (please mail to ath@s...,
since I cannot read tadream anymore)
Armin
Armin Theissen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Armagh Observatory email: ath@s...
College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen
Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928
Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 4:56
pm
Subject: Re: What Dream mixes really is?
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
In a message dated 97-04-25 16:25:06 EDT, you write:
> I'm not saying
>DM is a bad album. I like it. But it's nothing special at all. If
>definately doesn't deserve to be placed in the same catagory with fine
>productions such as Thief, Le Parc, or Underwater Sunlight.
>
>Dano (hey man, it's just my opinion)
And your opinion is absolutley correct. TD started out as an experimental
group. Finding new sounds and great stuff like that. They changed the face of
music. Today(even though I still love TD), they are just a production
machine. They are pumping out albums that sound to commercial. What I mean by
that is, it's like prefering the rock group Poison over Cheap Trick. Cheap
trick is pure rock. Poison? Well, a cheap imitation. That's what I feel TD
music has become. I think TD has to get back to how they started. Not going
back musically, but making new sounds, directions, becoming a force in the
music industry again,not just being remembered for doing it 25 years ago. I
know this is going to start a flame, but it's how I feel. Comments are
welcome. (I'm sure i'll hear it!!!)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 6:13
pm
Subject: did Schmoelling change it all??
Really-From: Alexander Bjelke
Hi all,
Some questions from a newbie to the pro Dreamers...
I did just buy White Eagle today and I think it's a good album, though
it don't stike me as Stratosfear and Rubycon did. Stratosfear and
Rubycon contains a lot more emotions and atmosphere, from my point of
view. I did notice that the line-up has changed in White Eagle, so was
it Schmoelling that changed TD?? Was a new style introdused with
Schmoelling??
The fave album to many Dreamers is Tangram, so is Tangram more like the
'synthetic' White Eagle or more like the 'organic' Stratosfear??
The Dream must go on....
Alexander
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 6:27
pm
Subject: Quinoa / Tour
Really-From: HMller1095@a...
I had the chance to see TD backstage after the Hamburg concert, and when I
talked with Edgar we shortly touched Quinoa. He said that they thought it
would be fair towards the members of the former fan club if they waited a few
years before selling the remaining copies of Quinoa. 1000 copies were
printed, and they were selling the rest - i e the difference between the
number of fan club members and 1000 - during the tour. So he was clearly
referring to the 30 something copies that were sold in Bonn. All this doesn't
make sense if there are really 300 more copies. Now does anybody know how
many members the fan club had when it dissolved? Maybe this could solve the
mystery.
I read in the local (!) newspaper today that TD continue their European tour
- at least with one date: 27/06/97 Kassel (Germany). This will be an open air
concert. The ad says that this will be the world's first 'hot-air concert' -
whatever this means ('hot-air' as in hot-air balloon).
Hans-Peter
From:
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Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 6:56
pm
Subject: Re: Pleasant surprise, Klaus Schulze
Really-From: Alan Justrabo
>Subject: Pleasant surprise
>
>Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
>
>I was walking around the local Virgin store at lunchtime today
>and for a laugh decided to see if they had a 'Klaus Schulze'
>section.
>
>Indeed they did !
>
>The only disc there was 'Timewind' for STLG 10.00
>
>N.P. - Timewind by Klaus Schulze !
Is this one of those dreams the list members have been having :) ? Next
you'll be hearing Klaus Schulze and Tangerine Dream on the radio! Here in
London, Ontario, Canada, we occasionally get some shockers like this, but
we still can't get 'Goblin's Club', let alone re-mixes or 'Oasis'. The
used stores can get interesting sometimes, though, my brother found
'Timewind' in one a couple of years ago...but a real Klaus Schulze
section...that would make my day, here, too, Grant! Struggling to find
Tangerine Dream in the 'New Age' sections is pretty exciting, though :)
Also, in reference to sounds-like Tangerine Dream type artists/groups,
does anyone remember an artist (American, I believe) named Michael
Garrison? I have some vinyl by him (which I still think is excellent): 'In
the Regions of Sunreturn' 1979, 'Prisms' 1981, 'Eclipse' 1982 and 'Point of
Impact' 1983. I lost track of him after that...does anyone know anything
else about him (including current releases/plans)? If you get the chance,
try the first one (Sunreturn), it is, IMO, excellent!
Al
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59
am
Subject: No TD Mail
Really-From: Matt Williams
I havn't had any TD mail for about three days,has anyone else had this
problem or has it just been that quiet(I can't believe that :))
Matt...
MATTHEW WILLIAMS
EMAIL: matt@s...
'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the
things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 7:36
pm
Subject: Chris Franke MIDI files
Really-From: Steve Quinney
There are some MIDI files from Christopher Franke on his web site
presumably done by Chris himself.
http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/cfmidi.html
They include 2 Babylon 5 and a couple from Pacific Coast Highway I think.
Check them out
Steve
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 1:05
am
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #895
Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
On Sat, 26 Apr 1997 11:53:40 -0400 (EDT) tadream mailing list
wrote:
>Really-From: SYensen@a...
>
>
><< Hey, I love Cyclone, it was my first exposure to TD and I'll always
love
>it. >>
>
>So do I. It may not be to everybody's taste, but it's still vintage TD.
>
>My first exposure to TD was Alpha Centauri, and my last so far is
Rockoon,
>but I'm trying to catch up fast!
>
>Steve Yensen
>
>Nottingham UK.
Alpha Centauri's brilliant, isn't it?? It's so much underrated.
Dennis
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Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 8:39
pm
Subject: TD Ice Cream
Really-From: Michael A Jean
This product has already been out on the market, and subsequently
recalled, perhaps because of the trademark infringment... If anyone doubts
it, I still have the carton to prove it...It tasted a bit like Orange
Sherbet...
I drew this to the attention of BTH a couple of years ago, and they did a
funny write up about it, and the facial cleanser etc....
Mike J
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 8:45
pm
Subject: Re: No TD Mail
Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> I havn't had any TD mail for about three days,has anyone else had this
> problem or has it just been that quiet(I can't believe that :))
>
> Matt...
>
>
>
Yeah.. Majordomo choose to knock me off a few days ago.. it hasn't been
quiet here at
all.. sorry to say I was frightened when I came back after a few days
absence and saw threads like 'Is TD washed up?' and 'Time for a Change.'
This list changes about as fast as TD's music -used- to. `=o)
Greg..
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 9:01
pm
Subject: Re: did Schmoelling change it all??
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 08:13 PM 4/26/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Really-From: Alexander Bjelke
>
>Some questions from a newbie to the pro Dreamers...
>I did just buy White Eagle today and I think it's a good album, though
>it don't stike me as Stratosfear and Rubycon did.
Me neither. Stratosfear, Phaedra, Rubycon, and Force Majeure are truly
awesome. White Eagle doesn't feel as powerful (except the last track---which
I can listen to over and over).
>Stratosfear and
>Rubycon contains a lot more emotions and atmosphere, from my point of
>view. I did notice that the line-up has changed in White Eagle, so was
>it Schmoelling that changed TD?? Was a new style introdused with
>Schmoelling??
Yes, there was a major change when Schmoelling joined the band. However, I
don't think that Tangram and White Eagle are the best introduction to this
new style. Even thought Tangram is very good musically, the ambient sound
that you've gotten used to is completely gone. If you want a really awesome
introduction to the Froese/Franke/Schmoelling lineup, get Logos and Poland.
After Phaedra and Rubycon, these are my two favorite discs! (make sure you
get the full-length 2CD of Poland).
>The fave album to many Dreamers is Tangram, so is Tangram more like the
>'synthetic' White Eagle or more like the 'organic' Stratosfear??
Tangram uses very simple instruments (no thick bass or ambient strings), but
regardless, Tangram is very good *musically*. The only track on White Eagle
that I listen to is 'White Eagle', the last track.
Here's some trivia:
During the Logos concerts (a total of two hours), not only did they play
almost 1 hour of completely unreleased stuff, they also played the track
'White Eagle' as Encore #2 and 3 minutes of 'Tangent' (which later became a
20 minute track for the Poland concert). These didn't appear on the Logos
disc, but just thought you'd like to know.
Morgan
feldon@n...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 9:38
pm
Subject: Re: OASIS BONUS?
Really-From: Michael A Jean
Based on the track listing for Oasis, it sounds as if there is a bonus cut
that isn't on the video! Can someone confirm this?
Also, based on the numbering system of the TDI CDs it sounds like DAS
MADCHEN could have been offered at Shepard's Bush (though having been
there, I know it wasn't)...How mysterious... 8^O
Mike J, Chicago
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 9:39
pm
Subject: Re: did Schmoelling change it all??
Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> Really-From: feldon@n...
>
> Tangram uses very simple instruments (no thick bass or ambient strings),
but
> regardless, Tangram is very good *musically*. The only track on White
Eagle
> that I listen to is 'White Eagle', the last track.
???? Simple instruments ??? I wouldn't call 3 Moog Modulars, a PPG Modular,
a few Prophet 5, Oberheim 4/8 voice, Minimoog etc. simple instruments!
Just a thought
Marcel
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 9:43
pm
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #901 (Time for a Change?)
Really-From: Gary Struhlik
At 02:01 26.04.97 -0500, you wrote:
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:54:04 GB-EIRE
>Subject: Time for a Change?
>What I am asking is - get yourself another band member,
>even it's a stranger pulled off the street, so that his
>ideas can kick-start your seemingly dormant genius once
>again!
I think the band has found a new member. His name is Emil
Hachfeld !
Gary S.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 9:44
pm
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #901 (Budapest concer review)
Really-From: Gary Struhlik
At 02:01 26.04.97 -0500, you wrote:
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:59:14 CET
>Subject: Budapest concer review
>
>Really-From: 'Szalma Zsolt'
>
>Hi folks,
>
>Well, I am sort of a newbie on this list. I only subscribed two weeks
>ago but I like it very much so far!
>It was especially intersting reading the European concert reviews.
>Thanks guys!
>And just adding one more to the row, here's my experience of the TD
>concert on April 22 at the Petofi Csarnok.
>
>
>First of all, the place where the show was held at is rather small.
>The concert room can hold no more than a 1000 people I think.
My perception is that this seems to be characteristic for this tour.
The room (not hall !) in Berlin at the HdK was very small too. This
was perhaps the new atmosphere !? But I liked it because most of
the fans were in the nearness of the stage (of TD).
>So it looked like we'd be going to experience a very personal show, almost
>like a big family.
Yes this was something like this. Very good.
>An other thing, most of those
>attending the show were at their late twenties or early thirties.
>No teenagers at all and a few older folks. The third thing, there
>were considerably more men then women. (I don't know the reason.)
This was my perception too.
Gary S.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 10:37
pm
Subject: Re: did Schmoelling change it all??
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Alexander Bjelke
>
> Hi all,
>
> Some questions from a newbie to the pro Dreamers...
> I did just buy White Eagle today and I think it's a good album, though
> it don't stike me as Stratosfear and Rubycon did. Stratosfear and
> Rubycon contains a lot more emotions and atmosphere, from my point of
> view. I did notice that the line-up has changed in White Eagle, so was
> it Schmoelling that changed TD?? Was a new style introdused with
> Schmoelling??
I think Edgar jumpped at the chance to get Johannes in the band. He's
an excellent pianist and fit in nicely with the new equipment TD was
getting. As a result, the band was able to do more individual
instrument features and this naturally led to an evolution in their
style. I really like the EF/CF/PB lineup, but in my opinion, the
EF/CF/JS lineup produced the more interesting music. My studio fav of
the era is probably 'Hyperborea' (ask me tomorrow, get a different
answer!) but I like the live albums ('Quichotte/Pergamon', 'Logos', and
'Poland') best of all. Have fun and sweet dreams -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 10:28
pm
Subject: Michael Garrison
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Alan Justrabo
>
> ... does anyone remember an artist (American, I believe) named Michael
> Garrison? I have some vinyl by him (which I still think is excellent):
> 'In the Regions of Sunreturn' 1979, 'Prisms' 1981, 'Eclipse' 1982 and
> 'Point of Impact' 1983. I lost track of him after that...does anyone
> know anything else about him (including current releases/plans)? ...
Michael is from the Pacific Northwest -- Portland Oregon I believe. He
has his own label, CD mail-order shop, and web page. Sorry, I don't
know his URL as I gave up on him 10 years ago (he contracted
'new-age-itis'). I had 'In the Regions of Sunreturn', 'Prisms',
'Eclipse', et cetera but got very tired of him. He has done many
projects since and has a couple of dozen CDs I think. If you do a web
search on '+Michael +Garrison' you should find him pretty easily. Good
luck -- Mark
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Apr 26, 1997 10:44
pm
Subject: Re: Pleasant surprise, Klaus Schulze
Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Also, in reference to sounds-like Tangerine Dream type artists/groups,
> does anyone remember an artist (American, I believe) named Michael
> Garrison? I have some vinyl by him (which I still think is excellent):
'In
> the Regions of Sunreturn' 1979, 'Prisms' 1981, 'Eclipse' 1982 and 'Point
of
> Impact' 1983. I lost track of him after that...does anyone know anything
> else about him (including current releases/plans)? If you get the
chance,
> try the first one (Sunreturn), it is, IMO, excellent!
>
> Al
Hi Al and list !
Michael Garrison (from oregon, USA) had a sold out tour in germany last
year ! (He released two great Live CD´s recorded during the tour - it
contains old and new (unreleased) stuff - I own both). Cue records (of the
netherlands) releases his CD´s in europe. The 'Sunreturn' was rereleased as
'The regions of sunreturn and beyond' with a couple of bonus tracks.
Garrison is well known in germany. He sold about 100.000 copies of
'Sunreturn' in germany.
IMO try the 2 live CD´s (1996) !
Jens
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 12:04
am
Subject: Re: Michael Garrison
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Alan Justrabo
>
> ... does anyone remember an artist (American, I believe) named Michael
> Garrison? I have some vinyl by him (which I still think is excellent):
> 'In the Regions of Sunreturn' 1979, 'Prisms' 1981, 'Eclipse' 1982 and
> 'Point of Impact' 1983. I lost track of him after that...does anyone
> know anything else about him (including current releases/plans)? ...
Found part of the info for Michael Garrison. I guess he's in Bend
Oregon.
Windspell Music, 1293 NW Wall Street, Suite 1515, Bend, OR 97701
I think he has a toll-free number. Try 1-800-555-1212 (800 directory
assist).
-- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 2:09
am
Subject: Re: did Schmoelling change it all??
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 11:39 PM 4/26/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
>> Really-From: feldon@n...
>>
>> Tangram uses very simple instruments (no thick bass or ambient strings),
>but
>> regardless, Tangram is very good *musically*. The only track on White
>Eagle
>> that I listen to is 'White Eagle', the last track.
>
>???? Simple instruments ??? I wouldn't call 3 Moog Modulars, a PPG Modular,
>a few Prophet 5, Oberheim 4/8 voice, Minimoog etc. simple instruments!
I must have gotten a bad copy because I don't hear any bass or midrange.
Only treble. All my other TD tracks have a completely dynamic sound.
Morgan
feldon@n...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 4:09
am
Subject: Re: did Schmoelling change it all??
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: feldon@n...
>
> >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> >
> >> Really-From: feldon@n...
> >>
> >> Tangram uses very simple instruments (no thick bass or ambient
> >> strings), but regardless, Tangram is very good *musically*. ...
> >
> > ???? Simple instruments ??? I wouldn't call 3 Moog Modulars, a PPG
> > Modular, a few Prophet 5, Oberheim 4/8 voice, Minimoog etc. simple
> > instruments!
>
> I must have gotten a bad copy because I don't hear any bass or
> midrange. Only treble. All my other TD tracks have a completely
> dynamic sound.
Marcel's exaggerating a little. Here's an equipment list from around
the time of 'Tangram'
Edgar: PPG 1 Computer, PPG Wave 2.2 Synth, ARP Pro-DGX Synth,
Korg Polyphonic Ensemble, Custom Sequencer (built by Helmut Grothe),
Ibanez UE-400 Multi-Effects, MXR Digital Delay, Boss Volume Pedal,
Conn Strobo Tuner, Soundcraft Series 1s 20 into 4 mixer,
PPG 5 octave Keyboard controller, Gibson guitar
Chris: Minimoog, Elka Rhapsody, Prophet 5, Arp Oddessy, Roland SPV/355,
Moog Osc/RM/VCF?VCA, Projekt Electronic VcEnv x2, Moog 12 stage phaser,
PPG VCF High/Low Band x2, Projekt Electronic Sequencer,
Moog 960 Sequencer with Programmer, Random Trigger and Reset System,
Moog 3 band Parametric, Moog 16 Channel Vocoder, Boss KM-60 mixer,
Klark Technik DN27 Graphic EQ, Rhythm Robot Sequencer,
Roland SRE-555 Chrous Echo, Klark Technik DN36 Time Processor
Johannes: Oberheim OB-X, MXR Digital Delay, Korg Tuner, MiniMoog,
Boss KM-60 6 into 2 mixer, Custom sequencer (like Edgar's)
Regarding 'Tangram' perhaps now's the time to buy the SBM, Definitive
Edition, eh? -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 4:36
am
Subject: Re: did Schmoelling change it all??
Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn)
You wrote:
>
>Really-From: Alexander Bjelke
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>Some questions from a newbie to the pro Dreamers...
>I did just buy White Eagle today and I think it's a good album, though
>it don't stike me as Stratosfear and Rubycon did. Stratosfear and
>Rubycon contains a lot more emotions and atmosphere, from my point of
>view. I did notice that the line-up has changed in White Eagle, so was
>it Schmoelling that changed TD?? Was a new style introdused with
>Schmoelling??
>
>The fave album to many Dreamers is Tangram, so is Tangram more like
the
>'synthetic' White Eagle or more like the 'organic' Stratosfear??
>
>The Dream must go on....
>Alexander
>
It's seems to me that things changed when Schmoelling came aboard.
But the times were changing as well. It became the 80's and music
technology and keyboards were becoming different. I like Tangerine
Dream in all there phases, even the current one. But it has become
less important (Tangerine Dream) over time. Don't get me wrong they
are still important to me. My taste in music has broaden significantly
though. To me Tangram was Tangerine Dream Light, less of the moody
sound of years past, I don't know how to put it in words. The songs
with Schmoelling were more tuneful, airy, Synth stringed (not sure how
to word it). The Baumann era had a darker sound to it, Mellotron laced
movements, that seemed a little more organic to me. The Mellotron is a
very much missed instrument for me, there are sounds that come close to
it in the modern day instruments, but it's just not the same, I don't
know why it's like this to me, but it just is. Anyway I like both
era's, all era's actually, but the Baumann era is my favorite
obviously, just discovered them, and was new to me.
Martyn
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Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 5:44
am
Subject: Re: Michael Garrison
Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
Michael Garrison also runs Windspell music (Bend, Oregon) which I highly
recommend for ordering electronic music (usually two days to deliver!).
He doesn't have a couple dozen cds, only twelve, which included two live
and two complilations - so only eight studio albums in total. MG has
always had a problem with the occasional cheesy song, but I've found all
cds worth owning - he has recorded some *outstanding* music! I disagree
with the below comment - he is not familiar with MG's music. Though he
has not made a new studio album since 1991, the quality of his music
since 1987 FAR surpasses TD's quality during that same period (and I'm a
big TD fan too). If you can overlook a cheesy song here and there, it's
far better than TD's 'lights-out jazz' / 'electronic pop' music that
they've put out over the last decade.
Windspell carries all his music. 1-800-597-WIND.
Larry
>
>Michael is from the Pacific Northwest -- Portland Oregon I believe.
>He
>has his own label, CD mail-order shop, and web page. Sorry, I don't
>know his URL as I gave up on him 10 years ago (he contracted
>'new-age-itis'). I had 'In the Regions of Sunreturn', 'Prisms',
>'Eclipse', et cetera but got very tired of him. He has done many
>projects since and has a couple of dozen CDs I think. If you do a web
>search on '+Michael +Garrison' you should find him pretty easily.
>Good
>luck -- Mark
>
>
>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 6:49
am
Subject: Re: Michael Garrison
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
>
> ... I disagree with the below comment - he is not familiar with MG's
> music. ...
Sorry if I seem contrarian Larry, but what part do you disagree with?
The only opinion I offered was that I 'got very tired of him.' This was
purely a personal statement and was not intended as a judgement of his
work. I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression. Regarding familiarity,
I had all his albums through the late 70s and early/mid 80s -- about 5
or 6 if I recall rightly. I enjoyed them for a while and I'm sure
others will also, but I got tired of what I felt was a 'sameness' to all
of them and felt that MG wasn't really doing any further
exploration/development.
> ... If you can overlook a cheesy song here and there, it's
> far better than TD's 'lights-out jazz' / 'electronic pop' music that
> they've put out over the last decade.
I don't think Garrison did any cheesy tunes, just too much of the same
thing. I found it hard to distinguish one album from another and got
tired of the sound. I like variety and Michael just didn't deliver for
me. Regarding jazz or electropop, I repectfully don't think you listen
to these genres. TD is miles from them, IMHO.
BTW, do you have Windspell Music's URL? I tried
http://www.windspell.com and got nowhere, but I do believe it has a web
page.
> >Michael is from the Pacific Northwest -- Portland Oregon I believe.
> >He has his own label, CD mail-order shop, and web page. Sorry, I
> >don't know his URL as I gave up on him 10 years ago (he contracted
> >'new-age-itis'). I had 'In the Regions of Sunreturn', 'Prisms',
> >'Eclipse', et cetera but got very tired of him. He has done many
> >projects since and has a couple of dozen CDs I think. If you do a web
> >search on '+Michael +Garrison' you should find him pretty easily.
> >Good luck -- Mark
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Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 7:52
am
Subject: Yellowstone Park
Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
Why am I addicted to listening to 'Yellowstone Park' on Le Parc??
Isn't it a gorgeous song.. and the voices are done right in this as well..
The best on the album IMO.
Greg...
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pm
Subject: melatron question
Really-From: slawlor
Hi there. I've heard of the melatron and have heard that it was an
instrument that used tape loops I think? Can this instrument still be
found, and what kinds of sounds did it produce exactly? was it a sort of
synthesizer or what? thanks for the information.
scott K. Lawlor
http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor
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From:
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Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 3:32
pm
Subject: Re: melatron question
Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
The mellotron was an aerly analog forerunner of the synth. It uses tape
loops of
pre-recorded sounds in conjunction with processors. It was a very finicky
instrument
and very difficult to keep in tune. As for the sound, it is difficult to
describe but is
quite beautiful when played correctly. The Beatles experimented with it
some, but
the definitive player was Micheal Pinder of the Moody Blues - hence, their
trademark
sound in the early days can be mostly attributed to the mellotron. Also, the
early
King Crimson used it heavily. In fact, Robert Fripp still uses one today
with his guitar. They are very rare and hard to find today. Anyway, most
musicians find it
easier and more efficient to use a Fairlight or similar digital devices that
immitate the
mellotron pretty closely. Nothing quite matches the warmth and ambiance of
the
original thing, though! The use of the mellotron was one of the things that
first attracted me to TD back in the early 70's. I loved 'em!
Graf
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 7:05
pm
Subject: Re: did Schmoelling change it all??
Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
In a message dated 97-04-26 18:54:18 EDT, you write:
<< I think Edgar jumpped at the chance to get Johannes in the band. He's
an excellent pianist and fit in nicely with the new equipment TD was
getting. As a result, the band was able to do more individual
instrument features and this naturally led to an evolution in their
style. >>
I agree that Johannes changed the band tremendously. I like all periods of
TD
transformations each in their own way - but especially Baumann and more
recently
Zlatko (I'm glad he is back in the line-up). However, apparently EF himself
feels
differently. I found this interesting bit on the TD Homepage Questions and
Answers
section that might interest everyone:
[16. I would like to ask Edgar which bandmembers through all the years -
with the
exception of his son Jerome - he had musically the most respect for and which
one
he would not like to meet again even for a drink?
There are two names Edgar immediately came up with: When it comes down to
real
musical skills in performing and composing, Johannes Schmoelling and Paul
Haslinger were the most talented people in the long list of names in the
history of TD.
Johannes was emotionally very gifted and he was the most serious worker Edgar
met in years, while Paul was a very humorous man (with a few exceptions) and
he brought some fresh air into the band, specifically after Christopher's
departure. Paul also went through some hard-core education in music theory
at the Vienna Conservatoir which had a very positive effect on lots of
musical term-related conversations. Edgar was very surprised that Paul did
not release some of his piano
compositions as a solo project after moving to LA - he still thinks that Paul
is the best man on a grand!! Edgar still has frequent meetings with both of
them when in Berlin or LA. Who Edgar will not spend the time for a drink
with? Many others he worked with!]
I also noticed this:
[TDI Music is planning to release 'Zoo Of Tranquility' by Johannes
Schmoelling. The album has been re-mastered and it will contain several
bonus tracks!!!]
Do you know if this is out yet? I want it!!!
Graf Zeigen
P.S. Thanks for the warm greeting to the list the other day! Much
appreciated!!
Graf
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 7:33
pm
Subject: OFF: Michael Garrison
Really-From: Craig Shipley
Hey, I can contribute to this!
Michael Garrison IS Windspell Music. Call 1-800-597-WIND and you will get THE
Michael Garrison on the phone. He runs one of the best e-music sources in the
US. He stocks the cream of the crop of Euro electronic music, along with a
number of US musicians. His turnaround time is excellent, when I place an order
with him, I usually have it in three days. He carries just about all of the
material in the CUE catalog or can get it and his prices are cheaper than
anyone else out there. For those of you that are looking for some of the CD's
that our fellow tadreamers have cut (I.E. T-Bass, Ash Prema, anyone from RMI on
here?), he has 'em. No he does not have a WWW page, but from my last
conversation with him, he is going to try it again, as his first attempt to
conduct business over the 'Net was a less than successful attempt. I also
highly recommend his two-CD live set that is a bit of a 'best-of' MG. I tend to
think of Mike as more of an American JMJ (that 'Oxygene'-era electronic
percussion is what makes it feel that way). Note that I am not involved with
Mike in any sort of business deal; I am just a very satisfied client and more
that just a little happy to be dealing with the artist himself. Give him a
call...
1-800-597-WIND
Craig Shipley
craigs@p...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 8:23
pm
Subject: Re: OFF: Michael Garrison
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Hi All. Well it sounds like I should revisit Mr. Garrison's work. If
anyone would like to make a tape of his most recent for me in trade,
contact me directly. Thanks -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 8:42
pm
Subject: Re: Michael Garrison
Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
Sorry Mark if I seemed defensive about Michael Garrison - I didn't mean
to be. I've been a big fan of his since '81. Also, dealing with him
through Windspell, he is an *extremely* nice guy. I can understand
someone feeling as you do about his music and I'm sure many do. It's just
a simple difference of opinion. I've received a lot of enjoyment from
listening to his music over the years. I guess maybe I was a little too
tired when I wrote that.
Larry
>Sorry if I seem contrarian Larry, but what part do you disagree with?
>The only opinion I offered was that I 'got very tired of him.' This
>was
>purely a personal statement and was not intended as a judgement of his
>work. I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression. Regarding
>familiarity,
>I had all his albums through the late 70s and early/mid 80s -- about 5
>or 6 if I recall rightly. I enjoyed them for a while and I'm sure
>others will also, but I got tired of what I felt was a 'sameness' to
>all
>of them and felt that MG wasn't really doing any further
>exploration/development.
>
>> ... If you can overlook a cheesy song here and there, it's
>> far better than TD's 'lights-out jazz' / 'electronic pop' music
>that
>> they've put out over the last decade.
>
>I don't think Garrison did any cheesy tunes, just too much of the same
>thing. I found it hard to distinguish one album from another and got
>tired of the sound. I like variety and Michael just didn't deliver
>for
>me. Regarding jazz or electropop, I repectfully don't think you
>listen
>to these genres. TD is miles from them, IMHO.
>
>BTW, do you have Windspell Music's URL? I tried
>http://www.windspell.com and got nowhere, but I do believe it has a
>web
>page.
>
>> >Michael is from the Pacific Northwest -- Portland Oregon I believe.
>> >He has his own label, CD mail-order shop, and web page. Sorry, I
>> >don't know his URL as I gave up on him 10 years ago (he contracted
>> >'new-age-itis'). I had 'In the Regions of Sunreturn', 'Prisms',
>> >'Eclipse', et cetera but got very tired of him. He has done many
>> >projects since and has a couple of dozen CDs I think. If you do a
>web
>> >search on '+Michael +Garrison' you should find him pretty easily.
>> >Good luck -- Mark
>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 9:27
pm
Subject: Re: OFF: Michael Garrison
Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
Hi Mark,
I would be happy to do that, however, it might take a week or two. I was
making a tape for another list member last night and my tape deck died on
me so I need to take it in for repair. Let me know if you're interested
and don't mind a couple weeks wait.
Larry
On Sun, 27 Apr 1997 13:23:14 -0700 tadream@c... (tadream mailing
list) writes:
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
>
>Hi All. Well it sounds like I should revisit Mr. Garrison's work. If
>anyone would like to make a tape of his most recent for me in trade,
>contact me directly. Thanks -- Mark
>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 11:09
pm
Subject: Mopi?
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Hi gang. Is track 8 of the 'Oasis' CD really titled 'Mopi Mesa Heart'
or is it 'Hopi Mesa Heart?' Thanks for your help. -- Mark
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Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 10:59
pm
Subject: or did Baumann change it all?? - Megapost
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Subject was 'Did Schmoelling change it all??'
> Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
>
> I like all periods of TD transformations each in their own way - but
> especially Baumann and more recently Zlatko (I'm glad he is back in
> the line-up). However, apparently EF himself feels differently. I
> found this interesting bit on the TD Homepage Questions and Answers
> section ...
>
> [16. I would like to ask Edgar which bandmembers through all the
> years - with the exception of his son Jerome - he had musically the
> most respect for and which one he would not like to meet again even
> for a drink?
>
> There are two names Edgar immediately came up with: When it comes
> down to real musical skills in performing and composing, Johannes
> Schmoelling and Paul Haslinger ... Who Edgar will not spend the
> time for a drink with? Many others he worked with!]
((I can easily see 4 or more treads coming from this post -- hopefully,
none will be flaming.))
Well it's somewhat dangerous to read too much into Edger's comment. I'm
surprised he even answered the down side of the question. I've heard
him interviewed a couple of times and he answers questions rather
selectively, conveniently forgetting to answer those parts he doesn't
want to answer.
Would 'many others he worked with' include PB and ZP? I doubt it would
include ZP as he probably wouldn't be in the current band if that were
so. That ZP *is* in the current band may be due to his availability
rather than Marc A's non-availability or unacceptability (sorry, I've
forgotten Marc's last name and it's not on the TD page anymore --
anybody still have it?). For all we know, ZP may have been pulled away
from the band a few years back by contractual obligations and only now
is able to return. (Possible tread #1)
PB is another story. I've read that Edgar personally liked Peter but I
think a couple of things may have intruded: Peter's possible flakiness
and Private Music.
This is all my opinion and is based on a lot of surmises about things
no-one is talking about. But the chronological facts speak for
themselves. You decide.
Flakiness - Peter dropped out of the band just before the Australian
tour of March, 75 and put them in a real bind. Michael Hoenig filled in
for Peter at the last minute with predictable results for the tour.
Questions for the more knowledgable.
Peter was obviously there for the 'Rubycon' sessions in Jan, 75 and the
'Sorcerer' sessions in Apr, 75. The only 1975, Oz tour dates I have are
Melbourne on March 13th and Adelaide on March 25th -- anyone with a
complete list of venues, please share with me. The point is, the entire
month of March, 1975 was taken up with touring or preparing to tour.
1- Did Peter make it to the Royal Albert Hall show in London on April
2nd?
2- Did Peter go to Katmandu for the month of February and get snowed
in causing him to miss the Oz tour?
3- Or did Peter extend his stay in Nepal for the sake of his studies
causing him to miss the Oz tour?
4- Why whould anyone go to Katmandu in the winter?
Assuming there was good will all around -- obviously Edgar took Peter
back into the band so there was either good will or strong contracts
(see digression, following) -- point 4 is the critical one. They'd just
finished a major release. They had a soundtrack to start in 2 months,
plus a tour and a single date in between. Did Peter really have time to
get his hat refitted? Wasn't that a little irresponsible? What did EF
think? How did the contracts read? (Possible tread #2)
Digression: The subject of contracts is important. Did Virgin have all
three under separate contracts, or just Edgar and whatever he called the
'Tangerine Dream' band under an omnibus contract, or all three members
collectively as 'Tangerine Dream' under a single, umbrella contract?
Each of these three possible arrangements have serious implications for
Edgar's freedom to control events, his power to negotiate, and his
ability to deliver on the terms of the contract. Remember that through
all this, Edgar acted as manager in addition to being leader of the
band. (Possible tread #3)
Private Music - We all know what PM was supposed to be and we all know
what PM became. This must have been a heartbreaking time for all
involved. Thanks to Matt Hargreaves we also know that PB sold a
controlling interest in Private to BMG, their distributor, in 1991 and
(later that year?) sold the rest, retired, and moved to Mexico. Where
did this leave Edgar and the band? Under contract to be sure! What did
Edgar do to get out of the contract or did he merely wait for it to
expire (was it year-to-year?). The question for all current readers is
this: how would you feel if a friend and long time business associate
left you in the lurch? (Possible thread #4)
Disclaimer: I'm not in the music industry and have never been in a
band. But I have owned several businesses and have written _many_
contracts. If you want to feel like a piece of meat, try negotiating a
contract for your services. Even more so, try writing a contract for
the delivery of services where other contributors are involved. You
almost have to treat the other people like objects -- that's just the
logic of legal encumbrances -- I use this term under the assumption that
these contracts were exclusive contracts, thus the encumbrance is that
the members of the band not perform outside the contract for the period
of the contract, that is, that the contractees not provide similar
services to third parties.
Personally, I think Edgar acted like a prince where Peter Baumann is
concerned. That he may harbor some resentment now is, in my opinion,
quite understandable. That he doesn't publicly slam him is a tribute to
Edgar's fine character. I wish to meet Edgar some day and shake his
hand. I hope the full story will come out some day.
Edgar Froese and Tangerine Dream have both been through so much. Peter
leaving and Johannes coming on board must have been earth shaking
events. In the long run, I think Peter had a greater impact on the band
due to the early, formative time he was part of it, and due to the
developments that came when the band joined and later left Private Music
-- in short, the dreams made and the dreams corrupted and debased. From
a musical standpoint, Peter and Johannes were probably equal. But it's
hard to separate the music from the business. Through it all, there was
Edgar. He's the real hero of the story. I say this without any desire
to denegrate either Peter or Johannes. Both are fine people, with much
talent and success -- I wish I was half as successful!
Send your flames my way, I'm ready. Cheers -- Mark
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun Apr 27, 1997 11:24
pm
Subject: Re: Michael Garrison
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
>
> Sorry Mark if I seemed defensive about Michael Garrison - I didn't mean
> to be. I've been a big fan of his since '81. Also, dealing with him
> through Windspell, he is an *extremely* nice guy. I can understand
> someone feeling as you do about his music and I'm sure many do. It's
> just a simple difference of opinion. I've received a lot of enjoyment
> from listening to his music over the years. I guess maybe I was a
> little too tired when I wrote that.
>
> Larry
Think nothing of it Larry. You're a gentleman. As many know well, I
don't have the greatest reputation on the list for objectivity, so I
don't blame you for your reaction. Regards to all. -- Mark (ex-preacher
turned repentant sinner)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 12:32
am
Subject: Re: TD Ice Cream
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-04-25 18:05:02 EDT, you write:
<< (What is the sound of a light ice cream going down your gullet?
:-) )
Dave Brewer
>>
I think it's 'Schloop' but that may be just the lighter of the
'lites'. The Chocolate Fudge Lite has been known to go 'Schlopp' especially
after a large portion of Lite Spagetti and Meatballs. ;-)
Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 12:32
am
Subject: Re: Re[2]: ideas? (BTH bag)
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-04-25 15:34:34 EDT, you write:
<< thanks...now if we could only 'inspire' td to open the trove...
tom w
np: steel pulse - sound system
>>
We will probably have to wait until JF takes over and EF is put out
to pasture. This shouldn't be too long, Edgar must be in his middle fifties
by now.
HEY, maybe, and I just thought of this, Edgar is going to use the
30th Anniversary to give us all a gift of a vault collection, because we have
all been such good listeners for all these years.
Can't you just picture it? A five CD set, one CD of outtakes from
each seven year period, and one last one with one big jam with guest artists
from each of the various periods: Chris Franke, Peter Baumann, Johannes
Schmoelling, Klaus Schulze, Linda Spa, . . . . .___ everybody___. One big
reunion disc!!!!!
Slap, slap, slap! Wake up Phil, your talking in your sleep again!!
Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 2:10
am
Subject: Peter Baumann and... Yanni???
Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
Hello All..
I tend to get into various other groups at times, and at times, I try some
of the other New Age-y type stuff. In a recent Yanni album I purchased, I
was surprised to find 5 of the 15 songs on the new album (complilation) 'In
the Mirror' were produced by Peter Baumann.. yes, I do know his involvement
in Private Music, yet these 5 songs seem to be the only ones with a 'beat.'
There is one song--'Forbidden Dreams' that has Peter as Exec. Producer and
boy do this song have T-Dream influences.. we're talking sequencers (chime
type) electric drums that seem atmospheric.. seemingly analog sounds (the
song is quite intense) although it has Yanni's synth harmonica in it.. you
forget about it in the midst of the other sounds.
Is this a real T-Dream influence? And why would Baumann move in this
direction? Since this album is a complilation, the song is quite old--I
think. 'Chasing Shadows' also is seemingly Baumann influenced with
sequencers and quite drum heavy.
Am I drawing at this air??
Greg..
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 12:18
am
Subject: Re: Peter Baumann and... Yanni???
Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>
> Hello All..
>
> I tend to get into various other groups at times, and at times, I try
some
> of the other New Age-y type stuff. In a recent Yanni album I purchased, I
> was surprised to find 5 of the 15 songs on the new album (complilation) 'In
> the Mirror' were produced by Peter Baumann.. yes, I do know his involvement
> in Private Music, yet these 5 songs seem to be the only ones with a 'beat.'
> There is one song--'Forbidden Dreams' that has Peter as Exec. Producer and
> boy do this song have T-Dream influences.. we're talking sequencers (chime
> type) electric drums that seem atmospheric.. seemingly analog sounds (the
> song is quite intense) although it has Yanni's synth harmonica in it.. you
> forget about it in the midst of the other sounds.
> Is this a real T-Dream influence? And why would Baumann move in this
> direction? Since this album is a complilation, the song is quite old--I
> think. 'Chasing Shadows' also is seemingly Baumann influenced with
> sequencers and quite drum heavy.
>
> Am I drawing at this air??
>
> Greg..
That's easy. Yanni makes $$$...big $$$. TD doesn't come close in
comparison. I don't blame Peter for 'selling out' because if you examine
the electronic music industry today there is almost no money in it.
Surreal To Real went under recently as well as several other E-music
publishers. Artists like Andy Pickford are moving more toward producing
their own material...which unfortunately doesn't make much cash. Even
John Tesh's paychecks are bigger than Edgars....despite the numerous bags
on his music. Pop sells, as does well done new age. Who can complain? I'd
rather listen to Yanni's Out Of Silence than Goblin's Club. While Yanni's
current music is nothing more than a tenth remix of his sappy romance
tunes...his early stuff kicks some serious butt.
regards,
Dano
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 4:25
am
Subject: Peter Baumann
Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
Excuse me for asking a question I'm sure has already been answered (I
wasn't paying attention again)...Are Peter Baumann's 'Romance 76' and
'Trans Harmonic Nights' out of print? If so, are there plans to
re-release them? All this talk about PB has made me want to buy the discs
(I have them on vinyl, but the turntable is out of order).
Thanks for your help,
Larry
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From:
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Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 4:55
am
Subject: Re: Peter Baumann
Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn)
You wrote:
>
>Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
>
>
>Excuse me for asking a question I'm sure has already been answered (I
>wasn't paying attention again)...Are Peter Baumann's 'Romance 76' and
>'Trans Harmonic Nights' out of print? If so, are there plans to
>re-release them? All this talk about PB has made me want to buy the
discs
>(I have them on vinyl, but the turntable is out of order).
>
>Thanks for your help,
>Larry
>
All his catalog is out of print now. The only thing that is available
now is a album of highlights called Phase by Phase I believe is the
title. At one time the two you mention plus Repeat Repeat were
available as well. Strangers in the Night never has been released on
CD was on another label, that's why, I believe.
Martyn
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Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 5:10
am
Subject: Re: Mopi?
Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
It´s 'Hopi Mesa heart'.
> Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
>
> Hi gang. Is track 8 of the 'Oasis' CD really titled 'Mopi Mesa Heart'
> or is it 'Hopi Mesa Heart?' Thanks for your help. -- Mark
>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 5:24
am
Subject: Re: Peter Baumann
Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
>
>
> Excuse me for asking a question I'm sure has already been answered (I
> wasn't paying attention again)...Are Peter Baumann's 'Romance 76' and
> 'Trans Harmonic Nights' out of print? If so, are there plans to
> re-release them? All this talk about PB has made me want to buy the discs
> (I have them on vinyl, but the turntable is out of order).
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Larry
The sampler 'phase by phase' (nice price virgin CD) contains 5 of the 6
tracks of 'Romance 76' and 4 of 'Trans Harmonic Nights'. I found it in the
virgin store in london for 6.95 pounds.
Jens
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 8:54
am
Subject: Re: did Schmoelling change it all??
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
> > Really-From: feldon@n...
> >
> > Tangram uses very simple instruments (no thick bass or ambient strings),
> but
> > regardless, Tangram is very good *musically*. The only track on White
> Eagle
> > that I listen to is 'White Eagle', the last track.
>
> ???? Simple instruments ??? I wouldn't call 3 Moog Modulars, a PPG Modular,
> a few Prophet 5, Oberheim 4/8 voice, Minimoog etc. simple instruments!
>
> Just a thought
>
> Marcel
OK, they're most definitely not simple instruments, but the overall
sound of Tangram to me is much less dense than say Force Majeure.
JS left a lot to be desired in the programming dept., I'd say.
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From:
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Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 8:49
am
Subject: Re: melatron question
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: slawlor
>
> Hi there. I've heard of the melatron and have heard that it was an
> instrument that used tape loops I think? Can this instrument still be
> found, and what kinds of sounds did it produce exactly? was it a sort of
> synthesizer or what? thanks for the information.
>
> scott K. Lawlor
> http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor
To find out more than you ever wanted to know about the Mellotron,
check out
http://www.users.cts.com/crash/r/rgs/mtron.html
Why did they ever give it up in the studio ??? It's God in a box !
I know it was a royal pain in the ass to tour with, but that's no
excuse for not getting it down on tape.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 9:20
am
Subject: Re: Pro Music by Amateurs
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
> Really-From: ashok prema
>
> Grant writes;.......
>
> ''I think you'll find that most of the music the fans have produced is
> a lot better than much of TD's output, for the simple reason that TD
> made a lot of mistakes publically, and the fans don't go down those
> paths. Instead, they concentrate on the good bits and don't recreate
> the crap bits (I'm sure even Edgar would love to forget many of his
> 'weaker' moments). Also, fans can take months to produce a single
> track, whereas Edgar and co have an incredibly full schedule to run.
>
> As for production quality, the equipment available now to semi-pro
> and even amateur musicians is far superior to what was available in
> the '70s. Even a moderately powered PC can transform recorded music
> incredibly (noise removal, equalisation, compression, etc).''
>
> I'm afraid I dispute the first paragraph - indeed there is much good music
> out there being made by amateurs - but it is rare to find an amateur
> who not only produces consistent quality in the composition - but also has
> the ability to record to a professional standard - which is not easy
> despite the technological advances made over the last 20 years.
Well, I'm afraid I disagree completely. It's very easy to make
professional sounding recordings on moderately-priced equipment.
Nobody's going to create 'Dark Side of the Moon' on a Tascam
Portastudio, but I've been able to coax excellent results out of
my cassette four-track (Fostex X-26) because I can direct-inject
keyboards, etc. and don't have to worry about using top-notch
microphones, with all their inherent problems (placement, etc).
Some of the cheap multi-effects units available are _way_
superior to the multi-thousand-dollar plate and spring reverbs
which were available in the '70s. And now, even the ultimate
in professional gear is just starting to become realistic
to amateurs (I'm thinking specifically of the Lexicon PCM90
reverb).
> I speak as
> a musician with some such equipment - which indeed may be technologically
> superior to, say, the equipment used to produce 'Tangram' - (which believe
> it or not - was recorded on a mere 8-track tape machine.!!) - but I
> cannot get the production quality of 'Tangram' - mainly because I do not
> possess the engineering skills required to record an album up to a top
> notch standard. And here I am totally disregarding the musical content!
Well, I wouldn't trust my engineering to anyone other than myself.
> You must remember that most amateur musicians may buy top quality synths
> and mixing desks - and even digital recording equipment - but few can
> afford the top notch reverbs and delay necessary to produce a pro - album
> ( - a single reverb unit can cost around £1000 - so its not suprising that
> we don't rush out to spend this sort of money on something which doesn't
> actually produce its own sounds!!)
Well, I didn't _rush_ out to buy my gear, but I guess a good quality
reverb was one of the primary devices I wanted, so I budgetted for
it.
Even the cheapest digital delay (less than 200 dollars) can produce
perfect delays - a good delay is far easier to produce than a good
reverb.
> Most people fail to undrstand the
> difference a good engineer can make - but you need only talk to top
> musicians - and you'll find that they rarely engineer themselves - they
> leave that to the experts.
Well, I say again that I wouldn't, but it's purely a personal choice.
> It's back to the old age adage - it's not the
> equipment thats so important - it's how you use it that counts!
Always the case in music ! Completely agreed ! However, haven't you
just contradicted yourself ?
> As to the comment about time constraints - the expertise TD has gained
> over the years stand them in good stead- and they can still produce music
> in a day that amateurs can't match in years of composing a single track -
> some people have it - others don't - and never aquire it how ever long they
> take!! - TD's early days of improvising prove they have an inherent talent.
They also produced a lot of total pish purely because of time
constraints.
The quote from Chris Franke seems to back up this point.
I've yet to hear this 'music they produced in a single day' which
couldn't
be matched by an amateur with lots of time - any specific examples ?
> Finally, I really don't think even contentwise, many amateurs can compose
> music to even to 'poor TD' quality - its all well for the musician himself
> to think his music is better than latter day TD - even I feel that way about
> some of my tracks - but independant listeners will probably think >
otherwise.
Well, I've had many good reports of my stuff, even from die-hard TD
and Klaus Schulze fans. It has been placed in various categories from
'sub-TD' to 'the best thing I've heard all year'.
Agreed, there are _many_ amateurs who just can't hack it and never
will, but there are also many, many who are creating stuff which I
would much rather listen to than anything by TD over the past fifteen
(count 'em) years.
> Playing the devils advocate yet again!! ..........Ash
So does that mean that you are disagreeing purely for the sake of
presenting a counter-argument or that you actually believe what you
wrote ?
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 7:36
am
Subject: Re: CD Case Label Programs
Really-From: Rainer Rutka
On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Jim Moore
>
>
> I'm looking for a Win95 program that allows easy creation of
> jewel case liners. Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
YES !
Best one is from Adaptec. Use EasyCD/95. This this prog. you can
create CDRs and the jewel case envelopes.
Rainer Rutka
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 10:13
am
Subject: Re: Mopi?
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
> It´s 'Hopi Mesa heart'.
Thanks Jens.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 4:12
pm
Subject: Emil Hachfeld
Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
I don't think that a smile on Edgar's part is reason enough to assume
that Emil Hachfeld is the long-awaited third member of TD. Emil is a
nice chap and a fabulous drummer - but as he told me, he does not
even know himself if he'll still be a part of TD when they record their
next album. Personally, I think it would be nice if they kept him - but
being confined to the drums - as Linda was confined to the sax (except
on GC), and Zlatko is confined to the guitar) - it's nearly impossible for
him to become a Third Member in the Baumann or Schmoelling
tradition. His contribution might be more like Klaus Krieger's on
Cyclone and Force Majeure, which are great albums, but they don't
imply any contribution on Krieger's part in terms of composition. The
way in which Edgar and Chris composed FM was certainly influenced
by the presence of such a great drummer as Klaus is, and if Emil stays
with TD, his presence will certainly have an impact on Edgar and
Jerome's compositions - but exactly as in Klaus's case, his influence
will remain an indirect one.
Dennis
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 4:03
pm
Subject: Re: or did Baumann change it all?? - Megapost
Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
On Sun, 27 Apr 1997 15:59:11 -0700 tadream mailing list
wrote:
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
>Would 'many others he worked with' include PB and ZP? I doubt it
would
>include ZP as he probably wouldn't be in the current band if that were
>so. That ZP *is* in the current band may be due to his availability
>rather than Marc A's non-availability or unacceptability (sorry, I've
>forgotten Marc's last name and it's not on the TD page anymore --
>anybody still have it?). For all we know, ZP may have been pulled
away
>from the band a few years back by contractual obligations and only
now
>is able to return. (Possible tread #1)
As far as I know, Mark Hornby initially replaced Zlatko because Zlatko,
as you say, had some other business than TD to attend to. If you have
seen him on stage with the band now (as I've seen them in Bonn), you
can still tell that Zlatko is not really an organic part of the group. He
appears more individual, more detached from TD and TD style. His
guitar work is undoubtedly very good - but it's illusionary to think that
he will ever become a full-scale member of the band, with his say in
composition, management, etc. If he were to become such a full-time
member (as a lot of people seem to want him to), two major
transformations would have to take place first: (a) He would have to
play a second instrument to prevent those periods of idleness when
there are no guitar parts to play, as seems to be the case with a lot of
the new material, (b) He'd have to spend all his time on TD and forget
about his other obligations...and judging by his musical ambitions on
the guitar sector, I can't really see that happen.
I don't know why, for the current tour, Zlatko took Hornby's place once
again. It probably turned out that Hornby was not available, and it was
considered a good idea to include Zlatko again, as the audience
seemed to like him.
>Personally, I think Edgar acted like a prince where Peter Baumann is
>concerned. That he may harbor some resentment now is, in my
opinion,
>quite understandable. That he doesn't publicly slam him is a tribute
to
>Edgar's fine character. I wish to meet Edgar some day and shake his
>hand. I hope the full story will come out some day.
So do I, and I wish I could trust everything Edgar says. He's a fine
bloke, but he is also quite withdrawn and likes to talk his way around
things. What he says is Tangerine Dream speaking rather than Edgar
himself. And Tangerine Dream can be rather cryptic in its statements.
Jerome is more overt about what he says. BTW, what I'd find even
more interesting than the Baumann story is the reason for the ongoing
Froese/Franke feud...they must have been quite good buddies at some
point, considering they played together for 15 years, and occasionally
even without a third member to support them (e.g. Green Desert).
Dennis
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 12:18
pm
Subject: Re: or did Baumann change it all?? - Megapost
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
>
> >Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
> >[Regarding Edgar's statement that there are some he would not now
> >share a drink with] Would 'many others he worked with' include PB and
> >ZP? I doubt it would include ZP as he probably wouldn't be in the
> >current band if that were so. That ZP *is* in the current band may be
> >due to his availability ...
>
> As far as I know, Mark Hornby initially replaced Zlatko because Zlatko,
> as you say, had some other business than TD to attend to. If you have
> seen him on stage with the band now (as I've seen them in Bonn), you
> can still tell that Zlatko is not really an organic part of the group.
> He appears more individual, more detached from TD and TD style. His
> guitar work is undoubtedly very good - but it's illusionary to think
> that he will ever become a full-scale member of the band, with his say
> in composition, management, etc. If he were to become such a full-time
> member (as a lot of people seem to want him to), two major
> transformations would have to take place first: (a) He would have to
> play a second instrument to prevent those periods of idleness when
> there are no guitar parts to play, as seems to be the case with a lot
> of the new material, ...
There's always guitar synths. Playing guitar hasn't slowed Brian Eno
down or limited him.
> ... (b) He'd have to spend all his time on TD and forget
> about his other obligations...and judging by his musical ambitions on
> the guitar sector, I can't really see that happen. ...
Well, that may be true. But if TD gets really hot (a distint
possibility with the surge of interest in e-music lately -- yes, dispite
some opinions, e-music is getting hot), Zlatko might change his mind --
this assumes you're right of course.
> >Personally, I think Edgar acted like a prince where Peter Baumann is
> >concerned. ...
>
> So do I, and I wish I could trust everything Edgar says. He's a fine
> bloke, but he is also quite withdrawn and likes to talk his way around
> things. What he says is Tangerine Dream speaking rather than Edgar
> himself. And Tangerine Dream can be rather cryptic in its statements.
This may be more a factor of Edgar's upbringing in Germany during and
immediately following WWII than anything else. I've noticed that German
people of Edgar's age tend to be more.... circumspect.
> Jerome is more overt about what he says. BTW, what I'd find even
> more interesting than the Baumann story is the reason for the ongoing
> Froese/Franke feud...
This is the second time this has been said in a day, but I've seen no
evidence of any sort of feud between them. Quite to the contrary --
read Elana's interview of CF.
> ... they must have been quite good buddies at some
> point, considering they played together for 15 years, and occasionally
> even without a third member to support them (e.g. Green Desert).
Not so. Edgar has stated that in the 17 years of collaboration, they
went out socially only once. He sounded rather regretful and wistfull
when he said it.
There is a good story here. I just wish I was in a position to research
it and write it. Cheers -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 12:20
pm
Subject: Re: Emil Hachfeld
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
>
> I don't think that a smile on Edgar's part is reason enough to assume
> that Emil Hachfeld is the long-awaited third member of TD. Emil is a
> nice chap and a fabulous drummer - but as he told me, he does not
> even know himself if he'll still be a part of TD when they record their
> next album. Personally, I think it would be nice if they kept him - but
> being confined to the drums - as Linda was confined to the sax (except
> on GC), and Zlatko is confined to the guitar) - it's nearly impossible
> for him to become a Third Member in the Baumann or Schmoelling
> tradition. His contribution might be more like Klaus Krieger's on
> Cyclone and Force Majeure, which are great albums, but they don't
> imply any contribution on Krieger's part in terms of composition. The
> way in which Edgar and Chris composed FM was certainly influenced
> by the presence of such a great drummer as Klaus is, and if Emil stays
> with TD, his presence will certainly have an impact on Edgar and
> Jerome's compositions - but exactly as in Klaus's case, his influence
> will remain an indirect one.
We shall see, eh?
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 1:37
pm
Subject: Re: WEIRD LAWS #5
Really-From: Michael A Jean
Surprise, they're baaaack!!!
A few more obscure music laws...For you completists, 1-4 are available
upon request...
Pittsburgh, PENNSYLVANIA: It is illegal to tickle a girl under the chin
with a feather duster in order to get her attention while she's sitting
next to you at a concert.
Charleston, SOUTH CAROLINA: Every women going to a concert must be found
to be wearing a corset. A physician is required to inspect each female to
ascertain whether she is, in fact, complying.
Chicago, ILLINOIS: No person shall hallo, shout, bawl, scream, use profane
language, dance, sing, WHOOP, quarrel, or make any unusual noise or sound
while attending a concert, in such a manner as to disturb the peace and
quiet of others in attendance.
MJ
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 3:43
pm
Subject: test
Really-From: Kim Pedersen
this is a test .
Korg 01w users group:
http://www.sysedata.no/home/kimp
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 4:05
pm
Subject: Re: sylvian/fripp/brook tour? >>
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-04-25 16:42:32 EDT, you write:
<< Is there, by chabce, a recording of that show? I would like to hear it.
>>
not that i am aware of...sorry...
tom w
np: underworld - pearl's girl
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 5:58
pm
Subject: Re: Yellowstone Park
Really-From: dbrewer@a...
> Quoted From: 'Greg Heil'
>
> Why am I addicted to listening to 'Yellowstone Park' on Le Parc??
> Isn't it a gorgeous song.. and the voices are done right in this as well..
> The best on the album IMO.
Probably the same reason I'm addicted to it! It's one of their finest,
and most beautiful. And it's got some of the best use of vocals in a TD
song, MHO of course. It makes a great closing to the album.
Dave Brewer
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 11:03
pm
Subject: Froese/Franke Relationship - LONG POST
Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 05:18:09 -0700 tadream mailing list
wrote:
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
>This is the second time this has been said in a day, but I've seen no
evidence of any sort of feud between them. Quite to the contrary -- read
Elana's interview of CF.
Having collected some material from the TD and Sonic Images web sites
(impossible to quote all of it), I have the strong impression that there IS
some sort of feud going on. Initially, they seemed to get along exceptionally
well (CF: 'Edgar and I understood each other very well from the beginning.
He and I were very interested in working together because both of us wanted
to get away from written music.').
But that attitude seems to have changed. As Edgar states, he has
interrupted all contact with Chris since his departure from TD in 1987. The
TD web pages claim that 'Edgar's reasons to make such a move are very
understandable if you are familiar with the background story which led him
to this decision!'
The question is which reasons there actually are, and judging by the more
sympathetic tone that Chris adopts, these reasons seem to be perceived by
Edgar only. Some sources suggest a fight between the two about
competence and their role in the band. In the TD web pages, it is mentioned
in an interview with Edgar that 'Christopher Franke claimed that by
percentage you were responsible for the group's organisation whilst he
concentrated more on the music production side, although a degree of
overlapping did naturally exist.'
Edgar's reaction to that question is so furious that it appears to me as if
this
statement allegedly made by Franke were one of the reasons for the strain
on their relationship: 'First of all, lots of thanks to Mr Franke for his
dignified
description of my musical involvement in Tangerine Dreams work - is it a
joke? It is true that I am a musician and a businessman and Mr. Franke
profited from both my efforts. It's far below my professional attitude to move
into more precise description of Mr. Franke' s strange memories. The fact is,
that both of these gentlemen - Mr. Baumann and Mr. Franke - were not
available at the time this project (Tangents) needed to be finished in Berlin.
Baumann was not doing music anymore and Franke was scoring TV series
in LA. I had to find my way through hours of material which could be used for
this project without waiting for their comments. Please understand that it is
waste of time to explain this unpleasant background.'
Another reason for Edgar's negative attitude towards Chris could be the
sudden withdrawal of the studio facilities that had been set up by Chris. In
the same interview, this point is elaborated:
Q: 'Presumably you moved to your present studio location when
Christopher Franke left the group, taking his impressive Polygon studio
facilities with him?'
EF: 'That was the second unpleasant experience I had. We did quite a few
recordings and soundtracks in there, but one should not forget that I had to
raise most of the money to set it up. I did not invest my private money in his
place, but I was always looking around for soundtrack work to get things
going, as one can imagine that it cost a lot of money. After the decision was
made not to continue anymore in August '87 I had to look around again. With
help from some real friends I could keep things going, so I went through that
period as well and learned my lesson.'
Accordingly, Edgar does tend to be rather harsh when talking about Chris;
another quote from the TD pages might serve as a good example.
'An artist must be judged by what he 'does' and not by what he says. Mr.
Franke is speaking for himself in this case. Within the last 8 years - after
his
departure from T.D. - he had the opportunity to show what he really wanted
to do 'without the pressure of the band'. So judge him by the work he's done
on TV scores and other compositions: If that's the cutting edge of music he
wanted to move into, then others may judge this - No comment from my
side. Tangerine Dream's inner quality of composition always had other
goals and perspectives than often described even by some of my former
colleagues, I'm personally not a speedway-donkey on the cutting edge of
musical opportunism - people who can and will listen to the body of our
music, know this.'
My impression is that Edgar feels that his pride and self-image had been
under attack, and that towards the end of the Eighties, TD ultimately seemed
to small a place for two great musicians who were rivalling after 15 years of
collaboration. It seems at least strange that after that incident, both of them
have been unwilling to co-operate with another equal-status composer.
Franke has been doing solo work, and as soon as Paul Haslinger had left
TD, Edgar ceased to employ any new musicians other than mere studio
hands, or at the very most, members who played a few instruments but did
not have their say in terms of composition. Jerome seems to be an
exception at first sight, but the fact that he has been brought up in
exposition to Edgar's ideas about music and life in general, and the
peculiarities of father/son communications do give Jerome a role that is
distincively different from the role that any other musician could play in the
TD of today. Listening to the post-Haslinger TD works, one could argue that
Jerome has only developed a discernible personal style in the mid-Nineties
- and undoubtedly, even that is still founded on his father's influence.
That's it for now, excuse the long post - I hope it is substantial enough to
start a discussion on the list. Cheers,
Dennis
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 9:22
pm
Subject: credit cards & quinoa
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
dreamers
Monday evening
Sorry if this post is late but f'ing compuserve mail hasn't been available
for 4 days (at least during my time windows) arrgghhh! I hope they are
making improvements because this is totally ridiculous!!! If you have
e-mailed me since Friday I will respond/my response is coming as soon as I
can up/download...
last minute note (monday afternoon):
I met with Ash Prema today (he's working on a new CD and you are going to
love it--it's sound fantastic! more on that later). Ash tells me that he
has dealt with Voiceprint before and that they have been around for years
so we shouldn't about ordering from them. Maybe someone else has already
posted something about this on the list? This message was written saturday
so keep that in mind:
(saturday)
regarding Quinoa and the questions this offer has brought about:
Steve F wrote:
> Eep. In my haste, I forgot to ask a few questions about ordering
>with a credit card from overseas, in general. First of all, what is the
--there's no fee for converting currency with a credit card; in fact,
ordering with a credit card is the way to get the best possible exchange
rate since you get the bank wholesale rate (or very near it). I would
definitely NOT send this place cash, check or money order until **someone
well known** on this list has confirmed their authenticity with the receipt
of a Quinoa. If this is just a scam to steal credit card numbers, by law
you are only responsible for the first $50--watch your statement and
account carefully for the next month. If you use American Express, I think
you can call and speak with them about the volume of your charges--or they
will call you if something seems amiss.
> This company said that orders take 'up to 28 days' to fill, so I
>am wondering how I can confirm that my order was indeed correctly
>received (other than finding out about it via a statement from my
>bank) before it's too late and all copies of this elusive (and soon to
>be illusive?) CD disappear. Perhaps I should contact them via their
>*non*-800 number and find out for sure???
-- Yes definitely call them, I am trying to call them. On Friday 4:30pm
london time, they said to call on Monday and talk to Simon Hart; on monday
they said call on Tuesday (they told Ash today that Rob would be in on
Friday...). I called on Friday and the woman who answered couldn't tell me
if Quinoa was still available; she said I would have to talk to this Simon
Hart.
OK, I'm a little concerned about this 28-day bit myself. Here is what you
do: You order with a credit card and if you get a charge on your statement
before you get the merchandise, you call/write your credit card company and
say that you have ordered something but have not received it and that you
have doubts about the seller's authenticity and *you want to dispute the
charge pending receipt of the merchandise.* This way the credit card
company will not pay the vendor and you will not have to pay until you
receive your merchandise. The credit card company will contact the vendor
and start an investigation; if the merchandise has been shipped, the credit
card company will contact you and say so etc. the whole process can take 90
days so that gives you plenty of time to wait for receipt. If you receive
the merchandise in the meantime, you can call the credit card company or
just wait to be rebilled. Even if you pay your bill with a bogus charge
(and this works also with vis/MC debit cards) you still have 90 days to
dispute the charge. Steve, if you have a Baybank/Bank of Boston card, call
their service number (it's listed on the card and on your statement) talk
to an operator and ask her/him any questions you might have about this.
I would suggest in your order that you offer to pay for at least 'recorded'
air mail. I know with the Oasis videos that the advertised postage was
next to nothing but then when I called and asked, they said they were going
3rd or 4th class ('on a space available basis') so it would be 2-3+ weeks
(this is all within the US) so I popped a few extras bucks for 2nd-day
delivery and was very happy to get it that way. Since I've been in London,
I've waited 3-4 weeks for **airmail** packages from both Europe and the US
so you definitely don't want surface (this can be confirmed by someone on
the list too). They say it takes a month but they will admit under
pressure that it is more likely to take two months. Small packages are
generally better than larger ones (which I think go 'space available') so
in the case you might be OK but ask to be sure.
Here are some doubts I had about this deal; they still remain valid
questions to be answered: The copies of Quinoa sold at the Bonn concert
both lend legitimacy to this story but also substantial doubt. Certainly
copies of Quinoa turned up for sale (meaning extra copies were found--and
Jerome just gave away 5 of them on his web page) but how did this company
manage to get them and sell them for less than what the Family Froese was
selling them for at the concerts? It doesn't make sense to me. Why would
Edgar sell off 270-300 copies of Quinoa to this place or any other (and
he'd have to sell them for about 5-7 pounds each to make it profitable
enough for any company to buy and re-sell for 15) and only try to sell 30+
at the concerts when he could have sold all 300 at the concerts for 17 quid
each and kept all the money himself and then offered any remainder (yeah
right!) to dealers afterwards!! Why would this place get such a dramatic
break in the Quinoa price? Surely Edgar has some idea of its value and
rarity.
Lars
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 9:23
pm
Subject: stuff found / offered
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Dreamers
OK this is it; THE LAST CALL for anything from me from these chartered
streets of London is May 1. For those of you who haven't yet contacted me
I can't take anymore requests for the TD/Orb remix disc because it is now
GONE (I have one colored vinyl left--those of you who have already
contacted me about the CD/Vinyl will get yours no problem). Additionally,
no more requests for Shy People since it is now OUT OF PRINT and no longer
available (I think there are one or two copies left in Glasgow and Belfast
Apparently some of the Silva Screen TD soundtracks have gone OUT OF PRINT,
can anyone else please confirm this? If so, those of you who don't have
them should move on them soon. (That would be Shy People, Near Dark, Dead
Solid Perfect, Deadly Care, This Park is Mine and the two Movie Music of TD
discs, etc...)
Also I've recently come across all four of the original TD Ohr label LPs
(Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri, Zeit, Atem); they are all excellent
to mint condition) so if you want any/all of these contact me.
Here is what I have available for sale/trade; let me know soon (remember
much of this is not available in the US or is *very* hard to get):
Near Dark (Silva, UK edition with painted cover) new vinyl (1 copy) or CD
(2 copies)
Dead Solid Perfect (Silva) (2 copies)
Deadly Care (Silva) (2 copies)
This Park is Mine (Silva) (1 copy)
Miracle Mile (Private) (1 copy)
Turn of the Tides (Zabo/Coast to Coast ) w/ bonus track 'Story of the
Brave'
Tyranny of Beauty (TDI) w/ bonus track 'Quasar) (1 copy)
SBMs of all the Virgin Years' material (includes 'Theif')
Remastered editions of all the Blue years' material
70-80 VBox2 vinyl box set w/ booklet VG/VG- (complete!!) (one copy)
Used copy of the Dream Roots Collection CD box set (one copy)
Most other soundtracks, eg: Legend, Firestarter, Wavelength, Sorcerer, (but
not TMI or SP)
Force Majeure clear vinyl LP (2 copies)
Macula Transfer (Froese Solo) LP original Brain issue (nice!) Ex/Ex+ (one
copy)
7' singles of Hobo March/Encore; Das Maedchen auf der Treppe/Katja; Warsaw
in the Sun/Polish Dance
Rumpelstiltskin
A few odds and ends are also available so send me your want lists/requests
by May 1.
Lars
PS did you know The Ones once opened for the Jimi Hendrix Experience?
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 9:20
pm
Subject: e-mails to lars / F*** compuserve
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
I've been trying to access F***ing compuserve e-mail since Friday and keep
getting the message 'service temporarily unavailable' so if you've been
waiting for a reply / info; it's not me! it's f'ing compuserve in London...
For those of you trying to contact me: when this message goes out it will
mean that I have finally accessed the service and will be responding to you
shortly (I hope!!!)
Lars
PS compuserve is shit (at least in London); use another provider
(This is an exercise of my right of free speech)
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 9:24
pm
Subject: potential scam warning
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Dreamers
I recently came across what I consider to be a potential scam:
Some of the Ohr/Cosmic Couriers original vinyls (not TD, but Ash Ra
Temple/Popul Vuh, etc) have been reissued recently with the same covers and
still with the old Ohr catalog numbers and labels. From the outside of the
sleeve, they do not seem to re-issues (just mint copies of the
'originals').
This in itself is not a scam but the fact that record stores are selling
them for same price as the originals sell for is! If you are not careful,
you will think that expensive 'mint' copy of an Ohr vinyl is a great find
but it is really just a reprint! So BE CAREFUL. This will be especially
problematic in 2-3 years when used and worn copies of the re-issues hit the
market. No longer will the Cosmic Couriers or Ohr logos signify a rarity
but will be cause for a more careful inspection.
Can anyone in the know shed some more light on this issue? (Peter, Klaus
Lars
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 11:00
pm
Subject: The Froese/Hendrix Connection
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
> ...
> PS did you know The Ones once opened for the Jimi Hendrix Experience?
To hell with all that crass commercialism, here's the important stuff.
When was Jimi a member of TD? Did they get stoned together? Did
Hendrix somehow transfer his fingers before death? What did Edgar think
of Jimi? Does it have anything to do with Edgar being a vegitarian? Is
Jerome's hairdoo a tribute to Jimi? Does Edgar channel while doing
'Purple Haze?'
I could go on but I'm sure others have questions also. -- Mark
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 10:50
pm
Subject: Re: e-mails to lars / F*** compuserve
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
> I've been trying to access F***ing compuserve e-mail since Friday
> and keep getting the message 'service temporarily unavailable' so
> if you've been waiting for a reply / info; it's not me! it's f'ing
> compuserve in London...
I've read that the favorate book of the guy who runs CS in the UK is
Jonathan Swift's 'A Modest Proposal for the Solution to the Irish
Question.' Does the IRA know about this guy ... ;-)
Cheers -- Mark (all intended in the best of good humor folks)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 10:41
pm
Subject: Why sell Quinoa through Voiceprint?
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
> ...
> Why would
> Edgar sell off 270-300 copies of Quinoa to this place or any other
> (and he'd have to sell them for about 5-7 pounds each to make it
> profitable enough for any company to buy and re-sell for 15) and
> only try to sell 30+ at the concerts when he could have sold all
> 300 at the concerts for 17 quid each and kept all the money himself
> and then offered any remainder (yeah right!) to dealers afterwards!!
> Why would this place get such a dramatic break in the Quinoa price?
> Surely Edgar has some idea of its value and rarity.
Perhaps it's value and rarity is exactly why Edgar sold it wholesale to
Voiceprint. If he sold them only at the concerts, no-one outside
continental Europe would stand much of a chance of getting one. If he
sold them to Voiceprint for stlg 17 each, then no-one would be able to
afford them after Voiceprint's markup -- this is assuming Voiceprint
would even accept them at stlg 17 (there would be some risk of unsold
copies due to the high price).
By providing them through Voiceprint at a reasonable cost, EF has pretty
much assured that everyone who closely follows the action (ie, diehard
fans) will get one. Again, I think EF has shown what a genius he is and
why he has been so successful in business.
As to why Voiceprint? -- an unasked question -- perhaps Edgar likes them
and/or owed them a favor. Perhaps he wanted to use a smallish
distributor in the UK as a thankyou to the British fans knowing that
they would get first crack at them.
This of course is all just my opinion. Facts, like everything
associated with TD and EF, are rare. But I'm becomming less and less
convinced that this is by design. Just as EF allowed the other band
members to live fairly normal lives by taking care of all the business
himself, he loves his private life and doesn't seem to give much thought
to how his decisions will be seen by his fans -- nor should he be
concerned. To clarify, that he maintains his private life first *is* by
design I think. What is not by design is how this makes him seem
'mysterious' as has been noted in many places. I don't think he has
designed this 'personna' -- on the contrary, I think he genuinely
doesn't give a rat's ass. That Edgar doesn't want to live up to the
obligations that accrue to celebrity is understandable to me -- I'd
rather be rich than be a celebrity and I can't imagine Edgar thinks
differently. So everyone who thinks thus-and-such about EF's motives
(I'm not referring to you Lars as you have always been a perfect
gentleman), can go to...
Regards to all. -- Mark (asbestos briefs securely in place ;-)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: QUINOA and 'Crazy Eddie' Lars Jones <105411.3107@c...>, Tangerine Dream Digest
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: credit cards & quinoa
>Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:22:31 -0400
>Source: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Lars R. Jones <105411.3107@c...>
>
>>[...] Perhaps I should contact them via their
>>*non*-800 number and find out for sure???
>
>-- Yes definitely call them, I am trying to call them. [...]
Sigh. I don't feel like spending $s on long-distance. :(
>OK, I'm a little concerned about this 28-day bit myself. [...]
Thanks for the info.
>I would suggest in your order that you offer to pay for at least
>'recorded' air mail. [...]
Huh?!? What's *this*? Never heard of it.
[...] I know with the Oasis videos that the advertised postage was
>next to nothing but then when I called and asked, they said they were
>going 3rd or 4th class ('on a space available basis') so it would be
>2-3+ weeks (this is all within the US) so I popped a few extras bucks
>for 2nd-day delivery and was very happy to get it that way. Since I've
>been in London, I've waited 3-4 weeks for **airmail** packages from
>both Europe and the US so you definitely don't want surface (this can
>be confirmed by someone on the list too). They say it takes a month
>but they will admit under pressure that it is more likely to take two
>months. Small packages are generally better than larger ones (which I
>think go 'space available') so in the case you might be OK but ask to
>be sure.
Do you mean 'a few extra bucks for 2nd-day delivery' from
*Voiceprint*? And how much are we really talking about here? (If I
decide to go this route, it will be via their 800 number.)
>Here are some doubts I had about this deal; they still remain valid
>questions to be answered: The copies of Quinoa sold at the Bonn concert
>both lend legitimacy to this story but also substantial doubt. [...]
Funny how Mark Filipak gets so defensive when I grump and groan
about how recent TD marketing ploys are 'scam'-like. This QUINOA
business smells the ripest. And...I call Edgar 'Crazie Eddie' whenever
I'm in a cute mood and am ticked off at his marketing shenanigans.
Ever hear of the New York sound system huckster named Crazy Eddie?
That's what I'm referring to when I make jibes about Edgar's sales
practices.
-- Steven Feldman and
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 11:24
pm
Subject: urgent
Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones)
message from lars jones. he has not been able to access his compuserve
email for four days now. he is working on problem. replys and messages
will resume as soon as he can get access.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 11:56
pm
Subject: Re: Time for a Change?
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>There is significant change in all your examples, including from
>'Rockoon' to 'Goblins' Club' -- too bad you don't hear it.
Hey, I rather like Rockoon. How could you dislike a track entitled
'Penguin Reference'?
Scott
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 12:13
am
Subject: Re: melatron question
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>King Crimson used it heavily. In fact, Robert Fripp still uses one
today
>with his guitar. They are very rare and hard to find today. Anyway,
most
Phish still uses one.
Scott
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 12:17
am
Subject: Re: Emil Hachfeld
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> by the presence of such a great drummer as Klaus is, and if Emil stays
> with TD, his presence will certainly have an impact on Edgar and
> Jerome's compositions - but exactly as in Klaus's case, his influence
> will remain an indirect one.
Of course, Franke & Schulze both started as drummers. . .
Scott
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 1:09
am
Subject: Re: e-mails to lars / F*** compuserve
Really-From: dbrewer@a...
> Quoted From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
> I've been trying to access F***ing compuserve e-mail since Friday and keep
> getting the message 'service temporarily unavailable' so if you've been
> waiting for a reply / info; it's not me! it's f'ing compuserve in London...
Maybe Compuserve is getting clogged up with the traffic for the Spice Girls
mailing list!! :-D
Dave Brewer
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 2:56
am
Subject: Nachtmusik im WDR
Really-From: Vic Rek
Hello!
If anyone can get me a copy of the 'Nachtmusik im WDR' CD-R, please e-mail
me privately off list.
Thanks,
Vic
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 6:48
am
Subject: Rumpelstiltskin
Really-From: AslanFan1@a...
LAST CALL!
If anyone on the list is still wanting a CD of the now out of print
Rumpelstiltskin CD, please email asap. As luck would have it, I got a couple
more in! Please email off list. I'm willing to sell or trade. THanks!
-Alan
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Hello?
Mark Jones
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Anthony G. Francis, Jr.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 4:08
pm
Subject: Voiceprint
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
At the risk of stating the obvious (to some of us, at
least), there must be some close connection between TD and
Voiceprint because they (Voiceprint) are 'advertised' in
the Oasis soundtrack CD :
'Copies of the Oasis Video are available mail order @ stlg15
inc shipping from
Voiceprint Mail Order, PO Box 50, Houghton-Le-Spring, DH4
5YP, England'
If this doesn't vouch for authenticity, I don't know what
does!
And since Voiceprint are flogging all the other TDI discs,
it seems natural (to me) that Edgar would give the same
company first bite at Quinoa. As for Edgar's motives in
using a Mail Order outlet rather than flogging them all on
tour, well who can say. Maybe Mark is right - he is a
philanthropist that wants o spread the word world-wide.
N.P. - Oasis - TD
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 8:49
am
Subject: Re: The Froese/Hendrix Connection
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
> Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
> To hell with all that crass commercialism, here's the important stuff.
> When was Jimi a member of TD?
NOW we're talking ! Could you imagine Jimi jamming over TD on Coldwater
Canyon ?
> Did they get stoned together?
JH : Hey man ! Imagine that all the atoms in your hand are tiny solar
systems.
EF : Wow ! Yeah, and that means that we might just be a tiny atom in
some cosmic giant's hand !
JH :
EF : What were we talking about, man ?
JH : Can't remember.
> Hendrix somehow transfer his fingers before death?
To Edgar ? Get real. Different ball park, Mark. No, scrub
that - it's a different game.
> What did Edgar think of Jimi?
Edgar thought the sun shone out his butt. It's well documented.
I've got to agree with big Ed on this one.
> Does it have anything to do with Edgar being a vegitarian?
Now THAT's a weird leap, Mark. Where did that one come from ?
> Is Jerome's hairdoo a tribute to Jimi?
No, it's a tribute to Noel Redding.
> Does Edgar channel while doing 'Purple Haze?'
Yeah, he channels into the supermarket muzak guru.
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_.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d...
Grunt ! [, @
\______/ 'There's too much blood in
/\ /\ my caffeine system'
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 8:53
am
Subject: Spice Girls (was Re: e-mails to lars )
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
> Really-From: dbrewer@a...
>
> Maybe Compuserve is getting clogged up with the traffic for the Spice Girls
> mailing list!! :-D
>
> Dave Brewer
Hmmmm. I wonder who the Tangs' fave Spice Girls are ?
I think Jerome would go for Scary Spice (Mel B) for her hairdo.
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Grunt ! [, @
\______/ 'There's too much blood in
/\ /\ my caffeine system'
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 9:12
am
Subject: Re: Rumpelstiltskin
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: AslanFan1@a...
>
> LAST CALL!
> If anyone on the list is still wanting a CD of the now out of print
> Rumpelstiltskin CD, please email asap. As luck would have it, I got
> a couple more in! Please email off list. I'm willing to sell or trade.
> THanks! -Alan
I got mine from Alan with no problems. Below is the discog for it. It
sounds much more like an album than a soundtrack and is definitely worth
getting. I was surprised by how dynamic the music was for a children's
story, but considering the ominous nature of the story, perhaps this is
not so unusual. - Mark
RUMPELSTILTSKIN (OST) [??? 91] - EF/JF
1- Rumpelstiltskin [21:53] 5- The Countryside [2:24]
(music & reading, together) 6- A Walk Through the Woods [4:36]
2- Rumpelstiltskin Theme [2:56] 7- Dance on the Hill [3:11]
3- Alchemy of Straw [2:55] 8- A Mother's Triumph [2:22]
4- Rumpel Town [4:21]
Actual times fr Rabbit Ears/BMG, RCE 74041-70770-2.
1-MC Tracks: Side 1: 1-8 / Side 2: 1-8
[1991] Rabbit Ears/BMG (US) R4 70458
1-CD Tracks: 1-8
[1991] Rabbit Ears/BMG (US) RCE 74041-70770-2
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 9:48
am
Subject: Re: The Froese/Hendrix Connection
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
>
> > Really-From: Mark Filipak
> >
>
>
Here too!
> > Hendrix somehow transfer his fingers before death?
>
> To Edgar ? Get real. Different ball park, Mark. No, scrub
> that - it's a different game.
Not to Edgar -- not even I am that in love with the guy -- to Daryl
Stuermer?
> > Does it have anything to do with Edgar being a vegitarian?
>
> Now THAT's a weird leap, Mark. Where did that one come from ?
Well except for taking a regular bite of the monkey, wasn't Jimi a
vegitarian?
> > Is Jerome's hairdoo a tribute to Jimi?
>
> No, it's a tribute to Noel Redding.
Ooo. I think you're really on to something here Grant.
> > Does Edgar channel while doing 'Purple Haze?'
>
> Yeah, he channels into the supermarket muzak guru.
Aw, and you almost made it cleanly all the way through a post about
Edgar. ;-)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 5:57
pm
Subject: Re: Spice Girls (was Re: e-mails to lars )
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
>
> > Really-From: dbrewer@a...
> >
> > Maybe Compuserve is getting clogged up with the traffic for the Spice Girls
> > mailing list!! :-D
> >
> > Dave Brewer
>
> Hmmmm. I wonder who the Tangs' fave Spice Girls are ?
>
> I think Jerome would go for Scary Spice (Mel B) for her hairdo.
>
Don't knock the Spice Girls, guys. I see they're featured
in this month's Record Collector - when was the last time
TD appeard in that mag?
(And no, I didn't buy it).
I'd rather look at Emma than Edgar any day!
NP - Oxygene 7-13 - JMJ
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
---------------------------------------------
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 10:43
am
Subject: Re: The Froese/Hendrix Connection
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
> Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
> > > Hendrix somehow transfer his fingers before death?
> >
> > To Edgar ? Get real. Different ball park, Mark. No, scrub
> > that - it's a different game.
>
> Not to Edgar -- not even I am that in love with the guy -- to Daryl
> Stuermer?
I think probably Stevie Ray Vaughan. However, the question remains...
who did Stevie bequeath them to ?
> > > Does it have anything to do with Edgar being a vegitarian?
> >
> > Now THAT's a weird leap, Mark. Where did that one come from ?
>
> Well except for taking a regular bite of the monkey, wasn't Jimi a
> vegitarian?
Beavis : Wow ! Lookit that ! He took a bite of the
monkey.
Butthead : Hu huh hu Bite.
Beavis : He spanks the plank, too.
Butthead : Huh huhuh huhuh Spank.
Didn't he used to, like, bite his plank ?
Beavis : Yeah, he'd do 'Purple Haze'. Dooiioooing,
Doooing, Doooioioing, Doooinngg, Doing,
Dooing, Ddoooing, Dddoinng.
B & B : Daaa-da-da-da. Daaa-da-da-daaaaa.
Daaa-da-da-da. Daaa-da-da-daaaaa.
Beavis : Then he'd like bite his guitar or something.
Butthead : Huh huh huhuh Bite.
Beavis : So that means he like bit the monkey,
spanked the plank, bit the plank.....
Butthead : Huhhuhuhuhhuhuhuhuh
Beavis : Ahen. that just leaves.....
Butthead : Huhhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhu
Beavis : Heeeheeheheheheh.
> > > Does Edgar channel while doing 'Purple Haze?'
> >
> > Yeah, he channels into the supermarket muzak guru.
>
> Aw, and you almost made it cleanly all the way through a post about
> Edgar. ;-)
Maybe one day I'll make it. One step at a time.
'Hello. My name is Grant Middleton. I am an Edgar Basher.'
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Grunt ! [, @
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/\ /\ my caffeine system'
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 1:35
pm
Subject: Marketing....
Really-From: Tom Richmond
Usually I just lurk here, but I have to pipe up on the marketing
discussion. Why does TD continually market 'limited edition' items like
the Sheperd's Bush CD, Das Madchen... and the Oasis CD? On top of that
the distribution methods used make it next to impossible for those of us
in the US (and probably other non-european fans) to get without paying a
premium. I find $21 rather excessive for 20 minutes of music. Is
anybody else bothered by this?
I have an order pending for Quinoa (though I still have trouble
justifying the cost to myself), and have emailed Voiceprint a couple of
times to check availability with no response. Hmmm....
Music is art, right? Shouldn't as many people as possible have the
opportunity to enjoy it?
Just my opinion, of course.
Tom
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: Re: The Froese/Hendrix Connection
Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...>
>>I think probably Stevie Ray Vaughan. However, the question remains...
>>who did Stevie bequeath them to ?
Kenny Wayne Shepard? Monster Mike Welch?
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: QUINOA, 'Crazy Eddie,' and VoicePrint
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:08:55 -0700
>From: Mark Filipak
>Reply-To: Mark Filipak
>Subject: Re: QUINOA and 'Crazy Eddie'
>
>Hi Steve. I'm not being facetious and I'm writing off-list. [...]
>
>I don't now think you are malicious though there was a time when I
>thought that. This is why I just can't figure out why you persist in
>this 'Crazy Eddie' routine. I really do want to understand.
I know it's bad form to respond to a personal e-mail on a public
list--especially when the e-mailer made a point of going off-list to say
what he or she wanted to say--but I if Mark misunderstood what I meant
by 'Crazy Eddie,' that means that plenty (if not most) other people did,
too, and that's a problem that should be rectified.
>Steven Feldman wrote:
>> ...
>> Funny how Mark Filipak gets so defensive when I grump and groan
>> about how recent TD marketing ploys are 'scam'-like. This QUINOA
>> business smells the ripest. And...I call Edgar 'Crazie Eddie' whenever
>> I'm in a cute mood and am ticked off at his marketing shenanigans.
>> Ever hear of the New York sound system huckster named Crazy Eddie?
>
>Of course not. I live in California.
Ack! Therein lies the rub. Back in the 1980's, there was a series
of ads on southern New England television for a stereo store called
Crazy Eddie's. At first, this store merely had a cartoony-looking
mascot that was an overly-effusive, shyster-type of saleman, but then
this guy showed up as a live-action figure on TV ads. I don't know
whether this 'Crazy Eddie' was fictitious or actually the owner of the
shop, but he was quite the memorable character. I think the closest
thing to him is the announcer for the radio ads used for the Newbury
Comics record store chain--which, again, is a southern New England
store. Sigh. I feel so provincial. Sorry about letting what boils
down to an inside (i.e. local-only) joke run rampant to the point of
almost causing damage.
>> That's what I'm referring to when I make jibes about Edgar's sales
>> practices.
>
>So you don't really think Edgar is crazy?
No. I've merely taken advantage of the fact that Edgar bears two
things in common with the (fictional?) character, Crazy Eddie: a first
name (i.e. surname) and a (recent, anyways) penchant for hucksterism.
What do I mean by hucksterism? Let's see, Ed has recently remixed and
re-issued three-quarters of his output and passed if off as compilation-
cum-hits-packages (TANGENTS, BOOK OF DREAMS/DREAMROOTS, and BEYOND THE
STORM). What with Miramar putting out THE BRICK, that's almost all of
TD, not counting the Private Music stuff.
I would be personally horrified to learn that there are individuals
out there whose TD collections consist solely of DREAMROOTS, TANGENTS,
THE PRIVATE MUSIC OF TANGERINE DREAM, DREAM MUSIC I, DREAM MUSIC II,
BEYOND THE STORM, and TANGERINE AMBIENCE: A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM
(but anything's possible, right)?
>By now you've probably seen my post about 'Quinoa' and how Edgar may
>have done us all a favor by putting the majority of them up for sale
>through Voiceprint at a decent price -- how the way he did it would most
>likely get them to his greatest fans. Does this explanation seem
>plausible to you?
Almost, but the problem is, the 'us' that he's done a favor is the
rabid *online* TD fans. I mean, who the heck else would have found out?
And if someone hadn't told the mailing list folk about the website, we,
too, might not have found out (in time). Recall how I have met four
people (virtually and/or personally) so far who have seen copies of THE
KEEP soundtrack and yet most of the 'greatest fans' (people on this
list?) still don't believe it exists as a once-commercial product. Oh,
ye of little faith. ;)
>You seem to harbor some long held and bitter resentment towards Edgar.
Nah. I always feign personal injury on the part of my idols when
I can't obtain a collectible that exists because I am one of their fans.
It's just a pose and a case of sour grapes. Edgar is guiltless in the
matter.
>Without negating your feelings which I don't see as justified but are
>nevertheless your feelings, I would like you to tell me what his
>marketing shenanigans have been. Perhaps you can convince me, or
>perhaps I can point out some alternative explanations. [...]
I believe I launched into a flamewar about my displeasure with
remix compilations like TANGENTS and DREAM ROOTS a couple of months ago.
Some people agreed with me, but more did not. You're one of the ones
who did not.
>Subject: Why sell Quinoa through Voiceprint?
>Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:41:32 -0700
>Source: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
[Regarding the recent 'warehouse find' of 300 copies of QUINOA:]
>By providing them through Voiceprint at a reasonable cost, EF has pretty
>much assured that everyone who closely follows the action (ie, diehard
>fans) will get one. Again, I think EF has shown what a genius he is and
>why he has been so successful in business.
Yeah, and how much of the world owns a computer? I happen to know
for a fact that one of the very biggest TD fans on the planet--Paul
Grygorcewicz--doesn't own one. That he probably found out about Voice-
print's having copies of QUINOA before it was even put on the web is
besides the point: I'm sure that there are plenty of rabid TD fans who
would give their left or right nut or ovary for QUINOA but won't find
out about it until it's way too late. Maybe it would've been better if
Ed had mentioned it as being available in the liner notes of the next
TD studio album (not OASIS, since not all TD fans buy TD 'peripherals,'
if you know what I mean). That way, access to the CD would truly have
been democratic. Heck, they could even have held a contest: 'Answer
the following six questions and you, too, can order a copy of QUINOA of
your very own!' Sound preposterous? Maybe. Sound fair? Likely.
>[...] I think [Edgar] genuinely doesn't give a rat's ass. [...]
Hee hee. The line above could be used as ammunition for quite a
few amusing arguments if taken out of context. ;)
>[...] everyone who thinks thus-and-such about EF's motives [...] can
>go to...
Oh boy, flamebait! ;) :) (Sorry; I couldn't resist.)
>Regards to all. -- Mark (asbestos briefs securely in place ;-)
Phwoosh! ;)
>Subject: Voiceprint
>Source: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:08:44 GB-EIRE
>Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>
>At the risk of stating the obvious (to some of us, at least), there must
>be some close connection between TD and Voiceprint because they
>(Voiceprint) are 'advertised' in the Oasis soundtrack CD :
While this is indeed pretty conclusive, it illustrates a case of
putting the cart befor the horse as far as the OASIS CD and buyer
availability is concerned. To wit, those without web access (or those
unaware of Voiceprint's existence, web or no) who buy the pre-release CD
on the European tour get first crack at even knowing about Voiceprint,
let alone the fact that they have copies of QUINOA. I suppose a point
could be made that only those who mailed away to Voiceprint for a
catalogue (an imposition on potential foreign, air-mail customers)
deserved to find out, but that's sorta nasty.
>And since Voiceprint are flogging all the other TDI discs, it seems
>natural (to me) that Edgar would give the same company first bite at
>Quinoa. As for Edgar's motives in using a Mail Order outlet rather than
>flogging them all on tour, well who can say. [...]
Well, now that you put it that way, you might well have a point.
>[...] Maybe Mark is right - he is a philanthropist that wants to spread
>the word world-wide.
Could be.
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty.
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984.
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 2:31
pm
Subject: Re: Marketing....
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
> Really-From: Tom Richmond
>
> premium. I find $21 rather excessive for 20 minutes of music. Is
> anybody else bothered by this?
Yeah, that's a rip-off. No two ways about it.
> Music is art, right? Shouldn't as many people as possible have the
> opportunity to enjoy it?
Music is art, yeah.
However, Tangerine Dream, as well as being a group of artists
are also in the _business_ of making music. That's how they
earn their crust and keep the wolves from the door.
I would gladly pay $100 for Rubycon if that was the only way
to get it. However, I think that's the only disc in the world
that I would fork out that kinda cash for. Maybe I would also
have forked out for 'Coefficients of Aural Expansion' too, as
it's a great disc, but none of the proceeds are going to the
original artists.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
_.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d...
Grunt ! [, @
\______/ 'There's too much blood in
/\ /\ my caffeine system'
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 3:16
pm
Subject: Re: Marketing....
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Tom Richmond
>
> Usually I just lurk here, but I have to pipe up on the marketing
> discussion. Why does TD continually market 'limited edition' items
> like the Sheperd's Bush CD, Das Madchen...
This is not unusual at all. Most record companies do this and in fact,
FAX Records of Germany offered only limited editions until very recently
when it opened a US subsidiary using Instinct Records to do its
pressing.
> and the Oasis CD?
To my knowledge, this is _not_ a limited edition CD.
> On top of that
> the distribution methods used make it next to impossible for those of
> us in the US (and probably other non-european fans) to get without
> paying a premium. I find $21 rather excessive for 20 minutes of music.
> Is anybody else bothered by this?
I am. But the US is not the primary market for TD. Europe is. The US
is tightly in the grip of mega-music conglomerates that also own the
entertainment media, which is generally the way people find out about
music. Hence, we in the US get Madonna and Prince.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 3:55
pm
Subject: Re: Spice Girls (was Re: e-mails to lars )
Really-From: FONINFO@a...
REMOVE ME
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 3:56
pm
Subject: Re: The Froese/Hendrix Connection
Really-From: FONINFO@a...
REMOVE ME
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 4:05
pm
Subject: Crazy Eddie & Edgar
Really-From: mulik@i... (Mark Mulik)
Howdy, everyone!
>>> business smells the ripest. And...I call Edgar 'Crazie Eddie' whenever
>>> I'm in a cute mood and am ticked off at his marketing shenanigans.
>>> Ever hear of the New York sound system huckster named Crazy Eddie?
>>
>>Of course not. I live in California.
>
> Ack! Therein lies the rub. Back in the 1980's, there was a series
>of ads on southern New England television for a stereo store called
>Crazy Eddie's. At first, this store merely had a cartoony-looking
>mascot that was an overly-effusive, shyster-type of saleman, but then
>this guy showed up as a live-action figure on TV ads. I don't know
>whether this 'Crazy Eddie' was fictitious or actually the owner of the
>shop, but he was quite the memorable character.
You forgot the part where Crazy Eddie's went out of business amid the
jailings and enormous securities fraud violations, the millions stashed in
that bank in Israel, etc. $21 for a 20-minute CD is pretty harsh, yes, but
to compare Edgar and Crazy Eddie as similar is to insinuate that Edgar is a
Thief doing some Risky Business. :)
Cheers.
The Mummy
(who recently returned to the list after a long absence)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 5:08
pm
Subject: stockhausen on td
Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
Hi,
since I disappeared from the mailing list for a while, I don't know
whether the following posting arrived or not. So I send it again.
*****************
recently, on a flight to London, I discovered something very
interesting in my favourite german newspaper, 'Die Zeit'. They
sent a tape to the german avantgarde composer Karlheinz Stockhausen
(I hope you know Stockhausen) with several 5 to 6 minute bits (instead
of complete tracks - shame on 'Die Zeit') of Krautrock - so
avantgardish german rock music of the late 60s/early 70s - and asked him for
his opinion. These tracks were the following:
1.) 'Aumgn' from Can (Album 'Tago Mago')
2.) 'Journey through a burning brain' from TD ('Electronic Meditation')
3.) 'Phallus Dei' from Amon Duul II ('u' are Umlaut here)
4.) 'Suche + Liebe' from Ash Ra Temple (Album 'Schwingungen')
5.) 'Winds - Liebeswehen 2 - Elektron 2 - Ella' from Faust
6.) 'Affenstunde' from Popol Vuh (Dream Part 4)
This is what Stockhousen said about 'Journey...'. I type first the
original german, and then try to translate into english.
Tierschreie, ab 1'27'' verzerrte Gitarrenakzente,
unperiodische Folge. 1'52'' Orgelmusik (etwas verzerrt) mit Kreisch
Geraeuschen; periodisches Tempo 66, As-moll mit Kadenzierungen
zu Des-B-Ges wiederholt. Fromme tonale Kirchenmusik mit mittelalterlichen
Daemonen. Vor ca. 5 Min. taenzerisches, barockes Praeludium im Tempo
144 in As-moll mit jaulenden Gitarrenglissandi fuer ca. 42 Sek.
Dauer ca 5'55'
Nicht interessant:
------------------
dreiteilige form A (Schreie) + A erweitert (plus Gitarrenakzente)
- B (Orgel) - C (Praeludium) / Naturalismus der Schreie /
Gitarren-Klischees, Kreischen / As-moll-Kadenzierung, froemmelnde
Tonalitaet / periodische Wiederholungen in konstantem Tempo ohne
Ziel / Titel angeberisch
Interessant:
------------
unvorhersehbarer Rhythmus im Formteil A.
now the english translation. I don't know the translation of some
music terms, so I simply repeat the german terms since I guess
they are similar in english and you all understand
animal screams, from 1'27'' on distorted guitar accents, non-periodic
sequence. 1'52'' organ music (a bit distorted) with screaming noises;
periodic tempo 66, A-flat-minor with 'Kadenzierungen' to D flat - B -
G flat repeated. Pious tonal church music with middle age demons.
Before approx. 5 Min. dancing-like, baroc prelude tempo 144 in
A-flat minor with howling guitar glissandi for approx. 42 Sek.
duration aprox. 5'55''
Not interesting:
----------------
threefold structure A (screams) + A extended (plus guitar accents)
- B (organ) - C (prelude) / naturalism of screams / guitar 'Klischee',
screaming / A flat minor 'Kadenzierung', pious-like tonality /
periodic repetition with constant speed without aim / title 'bragging'
(not shure about last word)
Interesting:
------------
unpredictable rhythm in part A
armin
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From:
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Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 5:16
pm
Subject: Scam?????
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
Was just wondering if Ranjit Padmanabhan was legit. I ordered a few tangerine
Dream cd's from him a few weeks ago and never recieved them. I'm starting to
get worried. If someone has ordered from him also, let me know if it is
legit. Thanks.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 5:28
pm
Subject: TDI NEWS FLASH
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
TDI NEWS FLASH
425 AUTOGRAPHED COPIES OF ULTIMA THULE FOUND!
Tangerine Dream wishes to announce the astonishing discovery of 425 mint
autographed copies of the single 'Ultima Thule' on the German Ohr label.
The discovery was made while staff members were cleaning out a vault of
older material.
Edgar Froese has decided to make these copies initially available to
members of the e-mail list tadream@c... for only 12 DM to cover
shipping and handling (sorry, only one copy per person).
Commenting on the discovery of these rarities, Mr. Froese stated, 'For the
30th anniversary of Tangerine Dream, we thought it would be appropriate to
do something especially nice for our most loyal fans, to reward them for
all that they have done for us. We could have offered these singles to the
dealers first but it is not our wish to make money on these copies.'
The copies of Ultima Thule are available on a first-come basis; for further
details send an e-mail to TDI at this address:
justa.joke@y...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 5:28
pm
Subject: mark shreeve
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Ash Prema recently turned me onto Mark Shreeve; Wow! now I know what
everyone has been talking about--this is great stuff. A couple of you had
asked me for some Mark Shreeve stuff and now I have found a little bit, if
you want it, let me know soon.
Lars
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 5:42
pm
Subject: Re: QUINOA and 'Crazy Eddie' Lars Jones <105411.3107@c...>, Tangeri...
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-04-28 20:32:11 EDT, you write:
<< Ever hear of the New York sound system huckster named Crazy Eddie?
That's what I'm referring to when I make jibes about Edgar's sales
practices. >>
sure...crazy eddie aznar...his prices were so insaaaaaaaaaane that hes now in
jail for tax evasion....
tom w
np: peter scherer - very neon pet
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 6:11
pm
Subject: Re: Scam?????
Really-From: Brian Frick
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: TangerineC@a...
>
> Was just wondering if Ranjit Padmanabhan was legit. I ordered a few tangerine
> Dream cd's from him a few weeks ago and never recieved them. I'm starting to
> get worried. If someone has ordered from him also, let me know if it is
> legit. Thanks.
Yeah, he's legit :) He does a good job -- perhaps you should email him?
--
Later!
--
Brian Frick
frickb@l...
Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource:
http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html
* * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * *
http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 6:02
pm
Subject: Re: stockhausen on td
Really-From: Sean Montgomery
I find this very amusing! Can you imagine if he had been given a copy of
Tyranny of Beauty?
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'Think Global - Act Loco!'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 6:05
pm
Subject: Re: TDI NEWS FLASH
Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> The copies of Ultima Thule are available on a first-come basis; for further
> details send an e-mail to TDI at this address:
>
> justa.joke@y...
The funny part about this is that I believed it for the first five lines
or so.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'Think Global - Act Loco!'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: Re: TDI NEWS FLASH
Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Rolling on the Floor with Laughter'
Snicker, snort, snuck. Phew! Good one! ;) :) :) :) :) :)
-- Steven Feldman and
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: Referring to Edgar as 'Crazy Eddie': A Formal Apology
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: Crazy Eddie & Edgar
>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:05:24 -0400 (EDT)
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: mulik@i... (Mark Mulik)
>
>You forgot the part where [...]
One cannot forget that which one never knew.
>[...] Crazy Eddie's went out of business amid the
>jailings and enormous securities fraud violations, the millions stashed in
>that bank in Israel, etc. [...]
This is the first time I've heard of this. I'm sorry about all my
snide Crazy Eddie references re Edgar, now. I meant to use the name as
an endearment and/or jest; I meant nothing malicious by it.
>[...] $21 for a 20-minute CD [it's $27 for 28] is pretty harsh, yes, but
>to compare Edgar and Crazy Eddie as similar is to insinuate that Edgar is a
>Thief doing some Risky Business. :)
I in no way meant to imply such. I apologize to those who might
have thought so.
-- Steven Feldman and
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 7:08
pm
Subject: Prince (was Marketing)
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
>Hence, we in the US get Madonna and Prince.
Hey! Thou shalt not defame Prince! Any artist who can sing about incest and
blowjobs and still thank God in the liners can't be all bad.
Sexy M.F.,
B. Kirby
PS - Please insert the phrase 'and isn't a gangsta rapper' after the word
'blowjobs' in my second sentence.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 7:47
pm
Subject: Re: TDI NEWS FLASH
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
That is a crappy joke! My heart started racing. Never do that again
dammit!!!!
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 9:27
pm
Subject: Re: Prince (was Marketing)
Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>
>
> >Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
>
> Hey! Thou shalt not defame Prince! Any artist who can sing about incest
and
> blowjobs and still thank God in the liners can't be all bad.
>
Hey now!
It isn't 'Prince' anymore.. *newsflash* it's that damn symbol!
You know...
The one that looks like..
er.. how can I say this..
ummmm.. a a
Bisexual symbol?
All we gotta do now is get Edgar to follow suit and come
out with his own symbol :)
Something easy for us.. like..
@ or # or !
yeah..
TD & !
?
Greg...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: Oboy! Lotsa New TD to Listen to This Week! :)
Really-From: Steven Feldman
In case some of you think I'm some sort of anti-Edgar Froese jerk
or something, it ain't so! I like quite a bit of stuff on BEYOND THE
STORM and my all-time fave TD-related recording is EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN
PALE. Just because I think MACULA TRANSFER and AGES are lame doesn't
mean that I can't like AQUA, EPSILON, ELECTRONIC DREAMS, STUNTMAN,
SOLO 74-79, KAMIKAZE 1989, PINNACLES, and, yes, even ZONING!
Now then, that said, I must admit that I haven't had a working CD
player for over 2 months . . . until yesterday. I'm on a tight budget
(in part because of Ed's scam-a-thon, i.e. having to buy DREAM ROOTS,
OASIS, MANDARIN CREAM, DAS MADCHEN AUF DER TREPPE and the Australian
version of GOBLINS' CLUB virtually back-to-back, not to mention laying
out mucho dinero for copies of QUINOA, fer crissakes), so I bought a
used one. I suspect many on this list will snicker when I say just
what it is that I bought: a small Sony from 1985 . . . for $30.00.
This little item is about the size of a portable, but it's not a
portable: it has long hard rubber pads on the bottom, and soft-touch
controls at the front. Unfortunately, it is not programmable and does
not have repeat function, but it has a time elapse readout, a time
remaining feature, a fast forward, and a music search. In short, AT
LEAST I CAN HEAR THE NEW TD ITEMS I'VE ACQUIRED OVER THE LAST 2 MONTHS!
Here's what I'll finally be able to hear this week:
o RUBY IN THE SKY CD-R (COEFFICIENT OF AURAL EXPANSION I and II)
o DANGER LIVE
o LIVE IMPROVISED
o LOGOS TYPE CD-R
o DREAM ROOTS
o The Relativity version of TYGER with 'Vigour' on it
o TANGERINE AMBIENCE: A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM
o UNIVERSAL SOLDIER soundtrack by Chris Franke
o ENCHANTING NATURE by Chris Franke
o BABYLON 5: MESSAGES FROM EARTH soundtrack by Chris Franke
And I've got some other juicy e-music things, too:
o ENTERPHASE by Fred Becker and Jeff Filbert
o INNER STELLAR by Fred Becker
o GALAXIES by Kevin Braheny
o STRUCTURES FROM SILENCE by Steve Roach
. . . and also CDs by Software, Dancing Fantasy, Julie Cruise,
Sven Vath (the 'L'Esperanza CD-single!), and Donna Summer/Giorgio
Moroder. I'm dying to hear this Summer/Moroder thingee since it's
from 1997! I found a promo single in a used record store bin that
is off a compilation album called ENERGY 1 or somesuch that was a
Summer/Moroder outing with 5 remixes of the same tune. I'm a Moroder
nut from waaay back, so this might be a treat. And then again, the
last stuff Moroder put out in the US was FLASHDANCE, TOP GUN, and
stuff for Nina Hagen, Limahl, and Sparks, so who knows? :)
-- Steven Feldman and
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 11:40
pm
Subject: WEIRD LAWS 6
Really-From: Michael A Jean
Anchorage ALASKA: It is unlawful for anyone whose shoelaces are untied to
play in a band.
Denver, COLORADO: No one may play a musical instrument while barefoot.
Little Rock, ARKANSAS: The height of high-heel shows worn by women at a
concert may not measure more than one and a half inches.
MJ
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Tue Apr 29, 1997 11:59
pm
Subject: Re: The Froese/Hendrix Connection
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>> What did Edgar think of Jimi?
>Edgar thought the sun shone out his butt. It's well documented.
ROTFL!!!
I've got to agree with big Ed on this one.
> Does it have anything to do with Edgar being a vegitarian?
>> Is Jerome's hairdoo a tribute to Jimi?
>No, it's a tribute to Noel Redding.
I thought it was a tribute to mall-haunting teenagers across America.
:-)
(Of course, Ed's hair was pretty gravity-defying at times)
Scott
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 12:05
am
Subject: RE: QUINOA, 'Crazy Eddie,' and VoicePrint
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>What do I mean by hucksterism? Let's see, Ed has recently remixed and
>re-issued three-quarters of his output and passed if off as
compilation-
>cum-hits-packages (TANGENTS, BOOK OF DREAMS/DREAMROOTS, and BEYOND THE
>STORM). What with Miramar putting out THE BRICK, that's almost all of
>TD, not counting the Private Music stuff.
One wonders how well these things sell. I'm surprised that they sell
enough to justify putting out more!
Scott
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 2:12
am
Subject: Re: Oboy! Lotsa New TD to Listen to This Week! :)
Really-From: Vic Rek
> and my all-time fave TD-related recording is EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN
>PALE.
Agree!
>Just because I think MACULA TRANSFER and AGES are lame doesn't
Disagree (almost)!
> And I've got some other juicy e-music things, too:
> o STRUCTURES FROM SILENCE by Steve Roach
One of my favorite non-TD EM albums!
>
Hey, thought I'd let you know.
Vic
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 2:55
am
Subject: Re: TDI NEWS FLASH
Really-From: dbrewer@a...
> Quote From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
> 425 AUTOGRAPHED COPIES OF ULTIMA THULE FOUND!
>
<...sitting up at the terminal with wide eyes...>
THHHHTHTHTHTTHTHHHHPPPPP!!!!!
[...]
>
> justa.joke@y...
>
Hey, man! You're a month late for April fools!
(good one, tho)
Dave Brewer
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 2:58
am
Subject: Re: Scam?????
Really-From: dbrewer@a...
> Quoted From: Brian Frick
>
> > Quoted From: TangerineC@a...
> >
> > Was just wondering if Ranjit Padmanabhan was legit. I ordered a few
>
> Yeah, he's legit :) He does a good job -- perhaps you should email him?
> --
As a happy customer of Ranjit's, I agree with Brian on all the above.
Dave Brewer
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 3:30
am
Subject: Re: Oboy! Lotsa New TD to Listen to This Week! :)
Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
[edited]
In short, AT
>LEAST I CAN HEAR THE NEW TD ITEMS I'VE ACQUIRED OVER THE LAST 2
>MONTHS!
> Here's what I'll finally be able to hear this week:
>
> o RUBY IN THE SKY CD-R (COEFFICIENT OF AURAL EXPANSION I and II)
Tell me how you like CoAE II, I own the first but wonder about the
second.
> o DANGER LIVE
You bought this in the last two months? From where? I haven't found a
source in longer than that (since Ranjit sold out). Anyone? Anyone?
> o LIVE IMPROVISED
Same as above (though some say it's not that good - I'm still curious).
> o LOGOS TYPE CD-R
> o DREAM ROOTS
Disc 5 is a killer!! Enjoy!
> o The Relativity version of TYGER with 'Vigour' on it
> o TANGERINE AMBIENCE: A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM
> o UNIVERSAL SOLDIER soundtrack by Chris Franke
I've made an important decision in my life. I'm throwing in the towel on
CF soundtracks - they're sending me into the poor house trying to keep up
with them. And (IMHO) none of them are good 'stand alone' discs. They all
seem to have something missing...like the movie! I just listened to
Universal Soldier last night and am listening to New Music for Films as I
write this and I gotta say - they just (and his other soundtracks I've
heard) don't grab me on their own.
> o ENCHANTING NATURE by Chris Franke
> o BABYLON 5: MESSAGES FROM EARTH soundtrack by Chris Franke
>
> And I've got some other juicy e-music things, too:
>
> o ENTERPHASE by Fred Becker and Jeff Filbert
I like this one.
> o INNER STELLAR by Fred Becker
> o GALAXIES by Kevin Braheny
> o STRUCTURES FROM SILENCE by Steve Roach
My favorite SR.
Larry
>
> . . . and also CDs by Software, Dancing Fantasy, Julie Cruise,
>Sven Vath (the 'L'Esperanza CD-single!), and Donna Summer/Giorgio
>Moroder. I'm dying to hear this Summer/Moroder thingee since it's
>from 1997! I found a promo single in a used record store bin that
>is off a compilation album called ENERGY 1 or somesuch that was a
>Summer/Moroder outing with 5 remixes of the same tune. I'm a Moroder
>nut from waaay back, so this might be a treat. And then again, the
>last stuff Moroder put out in the US was FLASHDANCE, TOP GUN, and
>stuff for Nina Hagen, Limahl, and Sparks, so who knows? :)
>
> -- Steven Feldman
>and
>
>
>
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Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 3:55
am
Subject: Re: Oboy! Lotsa New TD to Listen to This Week! :)
Really-From: dbrewer@a...
> Quoted From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
> >
> > o RUBY IN THE SKY CD-R (COEFFICIENT OF AURAL EXPANSION I and II)
>
> Tell me how you like CoAE II, I own the first but wonder about the
> second.
If I may step in, since I have CoAE 1 and 2. I like 1 better, but 2 is
still really good and it's got more sequencer music than part 1. Sound
quality isn't quite as good on 2, but it is still more than listenable.
What the head scratcher is though, is that it's supposed to be a soundboard
recording, yet you can hear crowd noises at the intro and ending. I thought
you couldn't hear the crowd from the soundboard. (even stranger is that
the applause at the beginning of the disc sounds like it's being looped
over and over :-/ )
>
> > o DANGER LIVE
>
> You bought this in the last two months? From where? I haven't found a
> source in longer than that (since Ranjit sold out). Anyone? Anyone?
Yeah, please where?
>
> > o LIVE IMPROVISED
>
> Same as above (though some say it's not that good - I'm still curious).
Ditto. Though I've heard only strongly positive things.
(Dream Roots)
> Disc 5 is a killer!! Enjoy!
Ditto on ditto! :-)
> I've made an important decision in my life. I'm throwing in the towel on
> CF soundtracks - they're sending me into the poor house trying to keep up
> with them. And (IMHO) none of them are good 'stand alone' discs. They all
I agree. I stopped after NMFF1 and the first B5 album. I'm eagerly
awaiting a new studio album, along the lines of say PCH, LC or Klemania...
(c'mon, Chris! You can do it! :-) )
Dave Brewer
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 10:50
pm
Subject: Re: pro-music by amateurs??
Really-From: Michael Fox
Well, here is my 2 cents/pence worth.
As to production: I have been on the engineer/ prooducer end many times
and I have to give Ash the nod here. There is no substitute for high end
outboard gear. The secret to 'ammbiant' sound is a dedicated reverb and/or
delay for each track. Mute the tracks and listen too the reverb return on a
track that is keys/drums/etc. You hear a jumble. If you don't have a
separate reverb/delay for each track (hence the enourmance cost for a
quality studio) the 'ambiance' you desire is gone and you have a signal
full of mush. That is why the Majors have a pooh-load of outboard gear and
why your tracks from home are mediocore. I have heard many of these. If you
want a high quality track, level all the EQ, no effects, and take it to a
studio to dump to a tape and go from there. A lot of delay and reverb gear
have a bad roll-off on the high end the longer you string it out. Lexicon
is better than it was, but still not full bandwidth. Also, I have heard of
NO studio that uses a 'spring' type reverb. Most are a cavernous box of
plates that produce an increasing amount of reverb. Keep your springs in
your guitar amp! Yes, your Alesis is OK for home jobs, just don't take that
stuff to a pro and expect miracles!
So the bottom line is; Ash is correct in his statement. And I haven't ever
heard his music!
Mike
At 11:00 AM 4/26/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: ashok prema
>
>
>rom: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 23:06:41 -0500
>Subject: Re:
>
>Really-From: feldon@n...
>
>At 06:06 PM 4/25/97 +0100, you wrote:
>>Really-From: ashok prema
>>
>>>''I think you'll find that most of the music the fans have produced is
>>>a lot better than much of TD's output, for the simple reason that TD
>>>made a lot of mistakes publically, and the fans don't go down those
>>>paths. Also, fans can take months to produce a single
>>>track, whereas Edgar and co have an incredibly full schedule to run.
>>>
>>>As for production quality, the equipment available now to semi-pro
>>>and even amateur musicians is far superior to what was available in
>>>the '70s.
>
>>>I'm afraid I dispute the first paragraph - indeed there is much good=
> >>music
>>>out there being made by amateurs - but it is rare to find an amateur
>>>who not only produces consistent quality in the composition
>
>>So you're saying that because Tangerine Dream is a professional group and
>>because they have lots of money, their music is inherently better than music
>>done by someone who doesn't?
>
>
>
>Absolutely not! - but TD HAVE proven they have a talent to produce good
>music - not always to each of our individuals tastes - but if they didn't
>or hadn't in the past - neither you or I would be hooked up to this Digest
>having this conversation now! - I like Floyd, Camel, Wakeman, Vangelis -
>but don't get that heavily involved with the background of their music as I
>do with TD.
>
>
>>>I speak as
>>>a musician with some such equipment - which indeed may be =
>>>? technologically
>>>superior to, say, the equipment used to produce 'Tangram'
>>>but I
>>>cannot get the production quality of 'Tangram' - mainly because I do not
>>>possess the engineering skills required to record an album up to a top
>>>notch standard.
>
>I don't understand this statement. Phaedra was done on a 4 track, no? You
>can't exactly say that TD's equipment between 69 and 75 was always
>professional. And finally, haven't Edgar and Jerome engineered the last two
>concert CDs themselves? It's *nice* to have $50,000 worth of equipment but I
>will argue that professional recordings and mixing can be done with
>SoundForge and a SoundBlaster 32.
>
>
>>>What is it that you fail to grasp?? - even TD's current production is
>superior to >>that of most home based amateur musicicans - and note I say
>PRODUCTION >>- not musical content .
>>>And here I am totally disregarding the musical content!
>>>You must remember that most amateur musicians may buy top quality synths
>>>and mixing desks - and even digital recording equipment - but few can
>>>afford the top notch reverbs and delay necessary to produce a pro - album
>>>( - a single reverb unit can cost around =A31000 - so its not suprising=
> t>>hat
>>>we don't rush out to spend this sort of money on something which doesn't
>>>actually produce its own sounds!!)
>
>
>
>>I was not aware that a DSP box was required to make great music. So an echo
>>box makes great music?
>
>It isn't - but it is necessary to get a great production! -Most of TD
>sequneces are syncopated with delays - take them of and you have dead music.
>Why Chris Franke has 30,000 UK pounds worth of effects only - maybe just
>for show?? Perhaps top flight studios should should sell all there
>effects units and settle down with Soundforge - they can have a grand
>improvement in life style with the thousands of pounds they'd save.!
>Switch of all the effects and you'd lose a good 50% of the ambience and
>feel of almost any album!!
>
>>>Finally, I really don't think even contentwise, many amateurs can compose
>>>music to even to 'poor TD' quality - its all well for the musician=
>> himself
>>>to think his music is better than latter day TD - even I feel that way=
> >>about
>>>some of my tracks - but independant listeners will probably think
>otherwise.
>
>>I don't know how to respond to this other than everybody can't be wrong. It
>i>s very admirable that you are putting Tangerine Dream on such a high
>>pedestal. I think there will be one day, if not already, people producing
>>maybe just tracks, not even whole albums, which are as good musically as TD.
>
>I am a realist. I have heard hundreds of amateur tapes - and frankly a
>mere handful would be worthy of a second consideration. There ARE a few top
>notch synth musicians (Shreeve, Boddy, Pickford, T-Bass etc) who are almost
>if not quite in the same league as TD, Vangelis and Jarre - but I don't
>regard these people as 'amateurs' they are pro's - but just haven't hit the
>big time - but apart from Shreeve whose studio is top notch most would
>admit that finances permitting, they'd like to upgrade their gear - usually
>the outboard stuff - NOT they the synths.
>
>
>
>Ash
>
>
>
From:
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Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 11:05
pm
Subject: mellotron
Really-From: Michael Fox
Well, I have a model 400 mellotron. It weighs a ton! It has been in dis-use
for sometime but I can describe it. It has tapes that have 3 violins,
voices, and flute sounds. There is a pot to vary pitch and to 'mix' the
sounds. (IE: violins and flutes together). The keyboard is 35 keys and is
the mushiest mess of a KB ever! The 'samples' last about 7 sec and so a
mellotron KB 'touch' is to replay the note ever so many secs. as to create
a contiuous sound. While the sound is --ahh, legendary---it is a buggar to
deal with. Voltage variations play hell with the pitch.
Another great (better) machine froom that period was the Freeman String
Synthoniser. It looked like a circus organ but produced a great 'string'
sound. Nothing else.
Hope this helps with the info. PS: I got the mellotron in a trade for a
16 tk recorder and when I sold the studio, I kept it. Hey, it may be a
mess, but I know a gem when I see one.
Ther is a place in Hollywood, CA, USA, that does great work/service on
mellotrons that I have used. I will post the name (I don't have it handy)
if anyone is interested.
Mike
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 11:17
pm
Subject: PB and PM
Really-From: Michael Fox
Peter Bauman and Private Music.
I have a piece by Sanford Ponder (PM 1101) 1985 from Private Music dated
1985. PB is exec prod. Also several Yanni pieces (2024-Out Of
Silence-1987/2043-Chamillion Days-1988/2056-Niki Nana-1989) producer PB.
Dare to Dream--Yanni/82096/1992--producer-Yanni. Also some PR sheets from
same period, the earlier stating what a cool new label PB has created, by
1992,D to D, he isn't evenn mentioned. Go figure! The 1985 piece
distributed by PM/NY,NY. The rest distributed by BMG (RCA) US.
Mike
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 11:33
pm
Subject: NP:
Really-From: Michael Fox
np: Superfly soundtrack----(Freddies' dead------that's what I said----)
Don't say no TD fan ain't got no soul! ö¿ö:>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59
am
Subject: Re: mark shreeve
Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype'
Does anyone know if there is a newsgroup for Mark Shreeve?
Dano
----------
>
> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>
> Ash Prema recently turned me onto Mark Shreeve; Wow! now I know what
> everyone has been talking about--this is great stuff. A couple of you had
> asked me for some Mark Shreeve stuff and now I have found a little bit, if
> you want it, let me know soon.
>
> Lars
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 6:15
am
Subject: Re: Yellowstone Park
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-04-27 03:58:17 EDT, you write:
<< Why am I addicted to listening to 'Yellowstone Park' on Le Parc??
Greg...
>>
God only knows. But at least it's safer than some other addictions
I can think of. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ya(w)nni,
for example. ;-)
Phil Naunton.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 7:35
am
Subject: Re: TDI NEWS FLASH
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
> TDI NEWS FLASH
>
> 425 AUTOGRAPHED COPIES OF ULTIMA THULE FOUND!
> ...
> justa.joke@y...
Lars, you're a sick, sick puppy and should get yourself to a vet,
immediately. I got to go change underwear now. Seeya -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 8:19
am
Subject: d: Live Improvised-long post
Really-From: feldon@n...
Holding a borrowed copy of Live Improvised in my hands, I can state that I
understand why TD did not release a live album until 1977. Technically, the
sound quality is excellent on the CD. You can hear the music & the audience
at just the right level for each. You can definately tell that it's recorded
in a cathedral from the echoes (not distracting though).
As far as musically, I have to say that the first 35 minutes of disc one is
best described as trying to get everyone to play one song. Even though this
concert was played between the releases of Phaedra and Rubycon, there is no
specific 'theme' or direction. The last 8-10 minute of this disc are more
focused.
The second 'side' or CD is more fruitful. The first 5 minutes and last 12
minutes of this 38 minute side are quite interesting to listen to, the
middle is LOTS of noodling.
In short, it's not worth $40 or $50 IMVHO. Also, (and I know I'm going to
ignite a flamewar considering the negative reactions to Edgar's remixes and
edits) I think it would be interesting if there were a 'Suite from Live!
Improvised!' with the aforementioned parts all blended into each other into
one 26 minute track. I have the equipment to do this so you never know.
In the meantime though, I am hard at work with making a 2CD of the entire
Harrogate 1986 concert with some extra encores/tracks from other concerts.
More details to come. Please don't ask for a tracklist as of yet.
Morgan
feldon@n...
p.s. Just to ignite *another* flamewar. Here's a question that I'd love to
hear answers to:
Do we as TD fans have a problem with the 'Excerpts from Poland' CD because
it didn't represent the whole concert, or is it because they chose Barbakane
over Tangent?
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 10:01
am
Subject: Re: pro-music by amateurs??
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
> Really-From: Michael Fox
>
> Well, here is my 2 cents/pence worth.
> As to production: I have been on the engineer/ prooducer end many times
> and I have to give Ash the nod here.
Part of my job is as engineer/producer.
> There is no substitute for high end
> outboard gear. The secret to 'ammbiant' sound is a dedicated reverb and/or
> delay for each track. Mute the tracks and listen too the reverb return on a
> track that is keys/drums/etc. You hear a jumble. If you don't have a
> separate reverb/delay for each track (hence the enourmance cost for a
> quality studio) the 'ambiance' you desire is gone and you have a signal
> full of mush.
Well, I disagree with this statement. I find a feed from each
track into one reverb gives an overall identity to the track -
it's like all the instruments are in the same 'space'.
> That is why the Majors have a pooh-load of outboard gear and
> why your tracks from home are mediocore.
You haven't heard my tracks from home.
> I have heard many of these.
> If you
> want a high quality track, level all the EQ, no effects, and take it to a
> studio to dump to a tape and go from there. A lot of delay and reverb gear
> have a bad roll-off on the high end the longer you string it out. Lexicon
> is better than it was, but still not full bandwidth.
Jeepers ! How much bandwidth do you need ?
> Also, I have heard of NO studio that uses a 'spring' type reverb.
Well, they exist.
> Most are a cavernous box of
> plates that produce an increasing amount of reverb. Keep your springs in
> your guitar amp!
Have you ever heard a 'Great British Spring' unit ? Tasty !
> Yes, your Alesis is OK for home jobs, just don't take that
> stuff to a pro and expect miracles!
I've also seen pro studios using the Midiverb.
> So the bottom line is; Ash is correct in his statement. And I haven't ever
> heard his music!
Well, I've spoken to Ash off-line. It's not quite so black-and-white.
The bottom line is that it certainly IS possible to create a
professional sound at home. However, it requires talent to write
good music and talent to create good productions. The way
technology is going, people who have lots of time but can't
afford Pro-Tools can achieve very similar end results from
Sound Forge. I know because I've used both systems extensively.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59
pm
Subject: Anyone going to the Athens concert?
Really-From: Peter Ravn
Hi
I will be attending the concert in Athens (May 31th) - if I can get
tickets!
Any one of you planing to join ?
TD will play at the Lycabettus Hill - same place place as their famous
1984 show (see pictures in the US tourbook 1986 or Dream Roots
Collection).
Regards,
Peter Ravn
pr@d...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 9:06
am
Subject: Re: Prince (was Marketing)
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>
> >Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
> >Hence, we in the US get Madonna and Prince.
>
> Hey! Thou shalt not defame Prince! Any artist who can sing about
> incest and blowjobs and still thank God in the liners can't be all bad.
>
> Sexy M.F.,
> B. Kirby
>
> PS - Please insert the phrase 'and isn't a gangsta rapper' after the
> word 'blowjobs' in my second sentence.
Well all I can say is: You're a Prince, Brian. ;-)
-- Mark (sounds heavenly to me)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 9:59
am
Subject: Re: Oboy! Lotsa New TD to Listen to This Week! :)
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Larry E Smith wrote:
>
> Steve Feldman wrote:
> > o RUBY IN THE SKY CD-R (COEFFICIENT OF AURAL EXPANSION I and II)
>
> Tell me how you like CoAE II, I own the first but wonder about the
> second.
The second is as good as the first in every way. But the packaging is
sparse to put it mildly. What I did was put the two together in a
double CD case and use only the paperwork from the first. Nice.
'Ruby in the Sky?' Where'd you come up with that name Steve?
> > o DANGER LIVE
>
> You bought this in the last two months? From where? I haven't found a
> source in longer than that (since Ranjit sold out). Anyone? Anyone?
>
> > o LIVE IMPROVISED
>
> Same as above (though some say it's not that good - I'm still curious).
It's excellent. I swear it's a soundboard recording because 1, the
sound is so good, 2, the crowd noise is quite subdued (not indicative of
an audience recording), and 3, at one point you can hear a mike being
moved in that special way that only a direct connection gives you. It's
also sold out, TTBOMK. 8-(
> ...
> > o STRUCTURES FROM SILENCE by Steve Roach
>
> My favorite SR.
One of my favs, too. His new one, 'The Magnificent Void' is deliciously
dark -- the aural equivalent of looking at a fur coat that's been frozen
in a block of ice. -- Mark
From:
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Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 10:28
am
Subject: Re: Froese/Hendrix/Spice Girls
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
> Really-From: FONINFO@a...
>
> REMOVE ME
Looks like someone got outta bed on the wrong side :(
NP - 'Spice' by The Spice Girls
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 10:38
am
Subject: Re: d: Live Improvised-long post
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: feldon@n...
> ...
> Do we as TD fans have a problem with the 'Excerpts from Poland' CD
> because it didn't represent the whole concert, or is it because they
> chose Barbakane over Tangent?
Neither a religious issue nor one of choise. Just that if you're going
to buy a CD, why miss 'Tangent' at all?
BTW, not to nitpick, but the album is titled 'Extracts from Poland.'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 11:07
am
Subject: Re: Froese/Hendrix/Spice Girls
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
>
> > Really-From: FONINFO@a...
> >
> > REMOVE ME
>
> Looks like someone got outta bed on the wrong side :(
I tried to send this person my usual help file and got a rejection from
AOL saying this person is refusing all email. Not the friendly type I
guess.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:10
pm
Subject: Re: Oboy! Lotsa New TD to Listen to This Week! :)
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-04-30 02:15:08 EDT, you write:
<< I'm on a tight budget
(in part because of Ed's scam-a-thon, i.e. having to buy DREAM ROOTS,
OASIS, MANDARIN CREAM, DAS MADCHEN AUF DER TREPPE and the Australian >>
speaking of scam-a-thon, im suprised u didnt get the private music 'brick'
with the 'free' poster offer....
tom w
np: harris/bernocchi - overload lady,
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:13
pm
Subject: Tadream digest V15 #905 Stuff...
Really-From: Craig Shipley
RE: Ranjit
Completely legit. He can take a while to ship you your stuff (this is NOT a
business for him, he holds down a full-time job and has a family, which can and
do take priority at times). Be understanding and patient and the CD's will
come. Maybe not today, but soon...
RE: Mellotron
There is a place (on the 'Net?) called The Mellotron Archives. Don't know what
they are all about, but, they are offering a T-shirt with the Mellotron 'M' on
the front for you (us) 'Tron freaks! It is through M &M Music that the shirt
can be purchased. Found this out by checking out the Mastermind home page
(killer US prog band, check 'em out!). 'Trons R00L, d00dz! (And they are
regaining their popularity. Releases by Smashing Pumpkins, RHCP and a couple of
other non-prog type bands are using the 'Tron. Not to mention all of the
neo-prog bands like Porcupine Tree, Spocks' Beard that feature the 'Tron
prominently!)
RE: Mark Shreeve
No known newsgroup or mailing list, but this guy uses rocket fuel to power his
synths! Check out the excellent CRASH HEAD or the live release COLLIDE and
prepare to peel yourself off the wall! (My sons love CRASH HEAD; hope for the
younger generation, after all...). If you like RUBYCON, get his latest
REDSHIFT; the rocket-fuel is gone, but the CD is very atmospheric. The extended
'heart-beat' section is a couple of minutes too long on 'Blueshift' but as I
tape everything for the car, a little editing can help that...I would love to
see his pre-ASSASSIN material released on CD (THOUGHTS OF WAR and the five or
six cassettes. Ash, talk to the man, wouldya?) Which leads me to...
RE: Ash Prema
Just picked up a copy of his CD through Windspell Music. This is a good
release! Haven't had time to give it a real good listen (rushing back and forth
from the hospital, checking on the new baby ;-) ), but first impressions are a
more energetic Tri Atma (due to the tablas) but without the pop-ishness that
Tri Atma seemed to over-use. Guitar/guitar samples are a lot more snarly than
TA, too, (this is a good thing!). Ash, nice one!
RE: Crazy Eddie
I picked up the reference right away and I never lived up near Baah-stawn/Noo
York. Crazy Eddie was a 'cultural icon' in the '70's/'80's. Herr Froese does
seem to be going more for the business side of things on the Continent, but I
wish that these ltd. ed's ( ;-) ed's = Ed's, get it???) would have a little
better/ cheaper distribution on this side of the Pond.
obCDPlayer: TD / Live Miles (remastered). Damn, Crazy Eddie got me to buy a
handful of the remastered stuff. Good thing they were cheap ($9.99 @ at Media
Play)....
Craig Shipley
craigs@p...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: RUBY IN THE SKY, DANGER LIVE, LIVE IMPROV, STRUCTURES
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: Re: Oboy! Lotsa New TD to Listen to This Week! :)
>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 02:59:35 -0700
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
>> Steve Feldman wrote:
>> > o RUBY IN THE SKY CD-R (COEFFICIENT OF AURAL EXPANSION I and II)
>
>'Ruby in the Sky?' Where'd you come up with that name Steve?
*I* didn't come up with it; that's what it's called. It's a 2-CD
set that has full indexing on both discs.
>> > o DANGER LIVE
>>
>> You bought this in the last two months? From where? I haven't found a
>> source in longer than that (since Ranjit sold out). Anyone? Anyone?
>>
>> > o LIVE IMPROVISED
>>
>> Same as above (though some say it's not that good - I'm still curious).
I bought them both from someone who was offering them for sale on
*this list*!
>> > o STRUCTURES FROM SILENCE by Steve Roach
>>
>> My favorite SR.
>
>One of my favs, too. [...]
The one I got is on the Fortuna label, from 1985. Is this rare
or is it the only version that ever came out?
-- Steven Feldman and
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:27
pm
Subject: Re: Scam?????
Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn)
I've done business with Ranjit on several occasions and have never had a
problem.
His mail-order business is not his full-time job, although it can take up much
of his time, so perhaps he's currently a bit tied up at his full-time job.
E-mail him with your concerns. I'm sure that he will respond.
Regards,
Erik Sanborn
>Really-From: TangerineC@a...
>
>Was just wondering if Ranjit Padmanabhan was legit. I ordered a few tangerine
>Dream cd's from him a few weeks ago and never recieved them. I'm starting to
>get worried. If someone has ordered from him also, let me know if it is
>legit. Thanks.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:34
pm
Subject: WEIRD LAWS 7
Really-From: Michael A Jean
Seattle, WASHINGTON: It is illegal to carry a slingshot without a special
permit while attending any sort of musical event.
Cleveland, OHIO: The carrying of concealed weapons by any musician is
forbidden, unless same are clearly exhibited to public view.
Newark, NEW JERSEY: No person is allowed to particpate in any musical
event while wearing a device or thing attached to the head, hair,
headgear, or hat, which device or thing is capable of lacerating the flesh
of any other person with whom it may come into contact and which is not
sufficiently guarded against the possibilty.
Wichita, KANSAS: Any person who shall use or carry, concealed or
unconcealed, any bean snapper or like article while attending a concert
hall shall, upon conviction, be fined.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:37
pm
Subject: Baumann and Private Music
Really-From: Michael A Jean
PB was involved in some capacity in almost every pre-90 PM release...
If I recall, he even had production credits on an early NONA Hendryx album
called FEMALE TROUBLE. NONA is one of the vocalists popping up on the
HASLINGER albums now...
MJ
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: LOGOS TYPE
Really-From: Steven Feldman
Hi All,
I listened to LOGOS TYPE last night. Feh. It's mostly the same
stuff that's on the CROYDON 1982 tape I've got, but with not nearly as
good sound quality. I mean, you can hear the tape hiss loud and clear
on LOGOS TYPE! :( I do admit that it's nice to have this KEEP-esque
material on CD(-R) rather than cassette tape, but . . . when I pay the
sort of money that such stuff costs I expect a little more in the sound
quality dept. Ah well. It's not like it's outright bad; if I didn't
have CROYDON 1982, I'd probably be in ecstacy, now. So, for those who
like SORCERER, LOGOS, THE PARK IS MINE, and THE KEEP--buy this (unless
someone puts CROYDON 1982 on tape, that is).
-- Steven Feldman and
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:39
pm
Subject: JMJ
Really-From: Michael A Jean
Apparently JMJ's OXYGENE 7-13 is due for release in the US soon...
I just picked up a CD single with 7 versions of OXYGENE 8...Two are pretty
cool, but the rest are so so...
Can anyone suggest a TD tune that we would want 7 different mixes of????
MJ
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:48
pm
Subject: Quinoa - where do I send the check?
Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.'
Re: the Quinoa discs: I missed some of the digests, so I lost the
information needed: just WHERE do I send the check? Where do I contact
the man in charge? Can I pay in U.S. dollars? Is this a hoax or not (I'm
willing to take the risk...) S&H is included in the 15 pounds or we need
something extra? Does Clinton suck? Etcetera.
That's about it. Thanks.
And, Lars, you WILL pay for the Ultime Thule joke.
--
MIGUEL FARAH \ GCS/O d-(pu) s++:+>++: a26 C++ UL+U+>L++++
mfarah@p... / P+ L>++ E--- W++ N+++ o+ K+++ w--(+) !O M-
miguel@w... \ V-- PS+(-) PE++ Y+ PGP-(+) t++@ 5++ X- R
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:43
pm
Subject: JAZZ etc
Really-From: Michael A Jean
I'm doing some Spring cleaning...
Anyone looking for a bunch of mid-80s jazz tapes (some new age) (OPTIMISM,
PASSPORT, ECM labels) stuff at low prices ($2) should contact me off list.
I don't have a list put together, but you can send wish lists to me...
MJ
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:55
pm
Subject: Re: Crazy Eddie & Edgar - From the Old Norse - Krasa - To shatter.
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-04-29 13:44:31 EDT, you write:
<< You forgot the part where Crazy Eddie's went out of business amid the
jailings and enormous securities fraud violations, the millions stashed in
that bank in Israel, etc. $21 for a 20-minute CD is pretty harsh, yes, but
to compare Edgar and Crazy Eddie as similar is to insinuate that Edgar is a
Thief doing some Risky Business. :)
Cheers.
The Mummy
(who recently returned to the list after a long absence)
>>
The rumor I heard, is that Crazy Eddie made _all_ of his money, not
on selling, but on cash floatation. He invested money he got from customers
prior to shipping cheap merchandise ( usually two weeks or more ). This
would give him a month or more before he had to pay his bills, if he did that
on time. Sounds like a really neat plan. . . . . . . . . except it's highly
illegal. Er. Isn't it?
I thought it all began to unravel when he lost control of his
'house of cards'.
Some minor minion was left in charge and 'didn't follow proceedure.' Wasn't
that it?
* * *
* *
I kind of liked the 'Crazy Eddie' name as applied to EF. Not
necessarily because of the association with the real Crazy Eddie, which
seems inappropriate if not defamatory, but because much of what Froese does
appear out of left field, at least at the time, as far as the band's
development is concerned. For example; the abrupt changes in the bands
direction, the addition of the Saxaphone as a lead instrument, the sudden
exit of that instrument, the sudden addition and loss of almost everybody who
has ever had anything to do with the band, EF's comments on what on happening
next which don't appear to be based on cognitive process - for example: prior
to 'Goblins' Club' he announced that this album would demonstrate a bold new
direction for the band that most fans would not like, but instead it just
seemed like more of the same meandering we had seen in the last several
years. He also mentioned that GC would be improvisation based, which I just
don't see.
Mind you, I don't at all see these elements as being negative,
merely inconsistent. Virtually everything has moved the band forward in one
way or another, if somewhat pecularly, surprisingly, and, yes, crazily. So,
for me at least, the moniker 'Crazy Eddie' has a lovable connotation. The
man's mystique is a major, if not the singular, cornerstone in the
personality of Tangerine Dream. I can't wait to see what is around the next
bend in the road.
What will it be, folks? Maybe EF will hire an African Bushman to
assist in 'mouth percussion', while pulling in someone else to play the
standup bass. Maybe EF will begin doing music for Nintendo Gameboy Video
Games. Maybe EF will 'Tangentize' The music performances of Sir Thomas
Beecham. Whatever it is, I sure it will be controversial.
Phil N. ('Still crazy, after all these years.' Paul Simon (I think.) )
Spinning at the moment - - Pat Metheny Group 'Quartet' - - talk about changes
in directions!!
From:
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Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 1:57
pm
Subject: CF's signature sound?
Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.'
I've been a CF fan for no more than a year (I got to know him via
Babylon 5), and I'm kind of surprised/pleased by this 'signature sound'.
Pretty good idea, me thinks.
I'd like to know one thing about this: when did he begin 'signing' like
this? I've heard the sound as far back as 'Logos' (alas, I don't have
most of the older albums). But was it a signature by that time, or he
decided later to use it as such?
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 2:25
pm
Subject: Re: QUINOA, 'Crazy Eddie,' and VoicePrint
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-04-30 02:52:46 EDT, you write:
<< (TANGENTS, BOOK OF DREAMS/DREAMROOTS, and BEYOND THE
>STORM). What with Miramar putting out THE BRICK, that's almost all of
>TD, not counting the Private Music stuff.
One wonders how well these things sell. I'm surprised that they sell
enough to justify putting out more!
Scott >>
Let's take a poll. Who, on this list, has one or more of these
above? I have 'Beyond The Storm' only. I was just playing it the other day,
but that is all. My last, and only TD compilation was 'Dream Sequence' back
in '85.
Phil N.
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From:
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Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 2:49
pm
Subject: Arrived today!!
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
My copy of Ultima Thule just arrived Fed-Ex from Germany. Great
packaging. It looks mint. Looks a little short, but what the hell. Free's
free! I'll let you know how it sounds tomorrow.*
Phil Naunton
* ' Keep on playing those mind games. . . .' John Lennon
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From:
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Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 2:19
pm
Subject: Re: RUBY IN THE SKY, DANGER LIVE, LIVE IMPROV, STRUCTURES
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>> > o STRUCTURES FROM SILENCE by Steve Roach
>>
>> My favorite SR.
>
>One of my favs, too. [...]
> The one I got is on the Fortuna label, from 1985. Is this rare
>or is it the only version that ever came out?
It's the only version. You should definitely check out 'Dreamtime Return,' if
you haven't already. And 'World's Edge'. And the follow-up to 'Western Spaces'
(the title escapes me at the moment).
Steve Roach fan,
B. Kirby
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 2:56
pm
Subject: Yes Ranjit/ProgTron is legit -- he's absolutely not a scam
Really-From: 'Dave Lane'
I've been using his services for at least 7 years.
Since his business is just a hobby, sometimes he
just gets bogged down in his real job and it might
take a few weeks to get your merchandise. Just
this morning I noticed he's put up a New Releases
list with a few items that I require...
--Dave
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 9:45
am
Subject: Re: d: Live Improvised-long post
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 03:19 AM 4/30/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: feldon@n...
>
>
>Holding a borrowed copy of Live Improvised in my hands, I can state that I
>understand why TD did not release a live album until 1977. Technically, the
[.....]
>In short, it's not worth $40 or $50 IMVHO. Also, (and I know I'm going to
[....]
Accurate description, but as to the worth of it....it's mainly in the eye
(ear?) of the beholder. Isn't it always? I can easily justify 50 bucks
for 'Live' but NOT $21 on Quinoa, unless you are a completist.
>ignite a flamewar considering the negative reactions to Edgar's remixes and
>edits) I think it would be interesting if there were a 'Suite from Live!
>Improvised!' with the aforementioned parts all blended into each other into
>one 26 minute track. I have the equipment to do this so you never know.
>
>In the meantime though, I am hard at work with making a 2CD of the entire
>Harrogate 1986 concert with some extra encores/tracks from other concerts.
>More details to come. Please don't ask for a tracklist as of yet.
>
>Morgan
>feldon@n...
Now you are talking in a very interesting tone of voice that we all
understand. Beware, though, that if I don't have the opportunity
to obtain a copy of your finished product, we have ways of dealing
with people like you (said with the voice of Sargent Schulz in
'Hogan's Heroes,' or was that before your time). :-) :-)
Remember who your friends are.
A FRIEND. :-) :-)
Andrew
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 2:49
pm
Subject: Re: WEIRD LAWS 7
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-04-30 09:57:48 EDT, you write:
<< Wichita, KANSAS: Any person who shall use or carry, concealed or
unconcealed, any bean snapper or like article while attending a concert
hall shall, upon conviction, be fined.
>>
And, what, the devil, is a bean snapper? For that matter, why
would someone be inclined to use a bean snapper in a concert hall?
Damn, I've misplaced my new edition of the Farmers' Almanac!
Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 9:32
am
Subject: Re: Scam?????
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 01:16 PM 4/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: TangerineC@a...
>
>
>Was just wondering if Ranjit Padmanabhan was legit. I ordered a few tangerine
>Dream cd's from him a few weeks ago and never recieved them. I'm starting to
>get worried. If someone has ordered from him also, let me know if it is
>legit. Thanks.
>
Ranjit is UTTERLY reliable and a perfect gentleman. Been in the business
for MANY years and is well-known to us long-time collectors. Frequently,
you can get stuff from him (here in the US) when all other sources fail.
He functions on a schedule that indicates the fact that he has a real,
day-time job and this, helping us get 'unusual' music, is his hobby.
Since he goes to the post office no more than once a week (usually
on Thursdays) the turn-around may take a few weeks, but the stuff always
arrives. If he runs out of your intended purchase he will issue you credit.
Personally, I have spent SEVERAL hundred dollars with him. Never
disappointed! Not once. Just have a bit of patience.
You could not be in better hands.
Andrew
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 3:27
pm
Subject: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...)
Really-From: dbrewer@a...
> Quoted From: PNaunton@a...
>
> In a message dated 97-04-30 02:52:46 EDT, you write:
>
> << (TANGENTS, BOOK OF DREAMS/DREAMROOTS, and BEYOND THE
> >STORM). What with Miramar putting out THE BRICK, that's almost all of
> >TD, not counting the Private Music stuff.
>
> Let's take a poll. Who, on this list, has one or more of these
> above? I have 'Beyond The Storm' only. I was just playing it the other day,
> but that is all. My last, and only TD compilation was 'Dream Sequence' back
> in '85.
>
I've got Tangents, DRC and BTS. And I enjoy them all. I also have the
Private Music comp, but I think it's worthless (the bonus tracks are kinda
nice, tho).
Dave Brewer
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 3:37
pm
Subject: Re: d: Live Improvised-long post
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
> Remember who your friends are.
>
> A FRIEND. :-) :-)
>
> Andrew
You know, I hate to ask, but are 'friends' electric ?
Grooooooooooaaannn.
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Grunt ! [, @
\______/ 'There's too much blood in
/\ /\ my caffeine system'
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 3:41
pm
Subject: Phil's Poll
Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> Let's take a poll. Who, on this list, has one or more of these
> above? I have 'Beyond The Storm' only. I was just playing it the other day,
> but that is all. My last, and only TD compilation was 'Dream Sequence' back
> in '85.
I have Dream Sequence, which I still listen to occasionally (especially
Disc Two), Tangents, Dream Roots, BtS and the Private Music Collection.
There is no way I'll ever buy The Brick though!
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'There is no gravity...the planet sucks'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 4:09
pm
Subject: Re: QUINOA, 'Crazy Eddie,' and VoicePrint
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
><< (TANGENTS, BOOK OF DREAMS/DREAMROOTS, and BEYOND THE
> >STORM). What with Miramar putting out THE BRICK, that's almost all
of
> >TD, not counting the Private Music stuff.
> One wonders how well these things sell. I'm surprised that they sell
> enough to justify putting out more!
> Let's take a poll. Who, on this list, has one or more of
these
>above? I have 'Beyond The Storm' only. I was just playing it the other
day,
>but that is all. My last, and only TD compilation was 'Dream Sequence'
back
>in '85.
The only one I have is 'In the Beginning' on LP. I already had the first
four, but wanted Green Desert so I bought the whole thing. I may get
'Private Music of. . .' since it appears to have some unreleased tracks
on it.
Scott
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 4:35
pm
Subject: ORB and Dream Roots Collection
Really-From: Gary Struhlik
Today I was going to purchase 'The Dream Roots Collection' here in Berlin
(Germany). Yes, I haven't it yet.
I think it is a must have for an 'old TD fan' especially because of
the quality and because of the new tracks on disk 5 which were published
first time. Disk 5 contains very good tracks of TDs older style.
The price was 69,- DM (about $40 US).
When I was searching for the 5 Disk Box I discoverd the CD 'Remixed By The ORB'
(Towards The Evening Star) for 14,99 DM (about $8.8 US). But my opinion is,
'ORB' is not a must have. The first track sounds very strange, I think.
The second track is the same 'Towards The Evening Star' like the
original version on the europe album 'Goblins Club'. The label is
'WHEN!(WENX1022)' under exclusive license to castle communications plc
(P)(C) 1997, Made in england.
My favorite is now 'OASIS'. I hope TD will continue this style.
Gary S.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 12:36
am
Subject: Re: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...)
Really-From: anunes@m...
I have only 'Beyond the Storm'.
Antonio Nunes
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 2:59
pm
Subject:
Really-From: 'oncica bogdan'
1.Has anyone tried to zip the files
contained by the MS Internet Explorer 3.0 'cache' directory ?
2.Can somebody tell me if the tadream daily digest consists of one single file
or a 'bunch' ?
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 3:06
pm
Subject: Re: Hello!
Really-From: 'oncica bogdan'
I would like the TD introduction too !
Thanks,
Bogdan (sidexspr@e...)
----------
From: tadream mailing list
To: tadream@c...
Subject: Re: Hello!
Date: miercuri, aprilie 09, 1997 10:58
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Alexander Bjelke
>
> Hi everybody!
Hi Alexander. Welcome!
> As a big fan of Jean-Michel Jarre ...
Which JMJ albums do you especially like? This will help us help you.
> Underwater Sunlight was ok ...
> Goblins Club was a bit disapointing ...
> Alpha Centauri ... seems like rather difficult music ...
Sounds like you're going to fit right in!
> Do you have other suggestions of «classics» that would be a nice
> introduction into the world of Tangerine Dream?
I personally prefer any of the albums from 78 to 84: Force Majeure,
Pergamon, Tangram, Exit, White Eagle, Logos, Hyperborea, Poland, plus
almost all of the others. I have an Introduction to TD I could send
you. I'm doing a major rewrite but if you don't mind the mess, you may
find some worth in it. Let me know if you want me to send it to you.
Regards and enjoy the show! -- Mark
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: new TD compilation
Really-From: 'Roger Smith'
Hi Everyone,
I just received a new TD compilation CDR entitled 'Singles and Other
Songs,' which I like very much.
Here is the track listing:
Quasar
One Night in Medina
I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You
Das Madchen auf der Treppe
Katja
Eleanor Rigby
Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal
Alexander Square (long version)
House of the Rising Sun
Canyon Carver
Canyon Voices
Lost Tale
Vermillion Sands
Time Steps
Galago
Question: does anyone know where the last track 'Galago' comes from?
I haven't heard it before; perhaps I'm mistaken, but it doesn't appear
on any of the discographies that I have seen.
It sounds very Schmoelling-like to me.
Roger Smith
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:38
am
Subject: Re:
Really-From: anunes@m...
'oncica bogdan' wrote:
>
>2.Can somebody tell me if the tadream daily digest consists of one =
>single file or a 'bunch' ?
It's one single file.
Antonio Nunes
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 5:49
pm
Subject: Re: new TD compilation
Really-From: dbrewer@a...
> Quoted From: 'Roger Smith'
>
> I just received a new TD compilation CDR entitled 'Singles and Other
> Songs,' which I like very much.
[...]
> Question: does anyone know where the last track 'Galago' comes from?
> I haven't heard it before; perhaps I'm mistaken, but it doesn't appear
> on any of the discographies that I have seen.
> It sounds very Schmoelling-like to me.
>
It's a Schmoelling solo track that was featured on the second KLEM CD.
(very perceptive of you! :-) ) I look forward to getting my copy of this
(Singles and other Songs) disc. (cantwaitcantwait!!)
Dave Brewer
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 12:47
pm
Subject: NEWS RELEASE! FLASH! FLASH!
Really-From: Michael Fox
Rueters;London---The bloodied corpse of Lars Jones was found in his flat
this morning, covered by a poster from the band Tangerene Dream. Cause of
death was undetermined at press time, however his arse was full of what
appeared to be pieces of vinyl--possibly from 7' records. No suspects are
known and neighbours are unaware of any suspicious persons. Said one, 'he
seemed like a nice bloke--played a lot of strange music, though'.
-------30-------
This release dedicated to all those who got sweaty palms for a few moments--
Lars: u is a funny man!
Mike
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 5:58
pm
Subject: Re: new TD compilation
Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
On Apr 30, 1:06pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: new TD compilation
> Really-From: 'Roger Smith'
>
(...)
>
> Question: does anyone know where the last track 'Galago' comes from?
Galago is a track that was put together for the 1993 KLEM CD, and it is not a
Tangerine Dream track, it is a solo effort by Schmoelling, if I am not
mistaken.
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:54
am
Subject: Re: Quinoa - where do I send the check?
Really-From: anunes@m...
'Miguel Farah F.' wrote:
>Re: the Quinoa discs: I missed some of the digests, so I lost the
>information needed: just WHERE do I send the check? Where do I contact
>the man in charge? Can I pay in U.S. dollars? Is this a hoax or not (I'm
>willing to take the risk...) S&H is included in the 15 pounds or we need
>something extra? Does Clinton suck? Etcetera.
You'd better contact Voiceprint. They have a Web address:
http://vprint.demon.co.uk/tadream/index.htm
an e-mail address:
Rob@v...
a 'physical' address:
PO Box 50
Houghton-le-Spring
Tyne and Wear
DH4 5YP
England
a couple of tel. numbers:
44 191 512 1103
freephone UK 0500 829 262
freephone USA 1 800 567 9185
and a Fax number:
44 191 512 1104
With all of these addresses, I think they are reliable. BTW, I ordered them
the QUINOA CD via Fax, 5 days ago.
Antonio Nunes
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 6:20
pm
Subject: Re: JAZZ etc
Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
what ecm stuff do u have? thanks, tom w
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 6:19
pm
Subject: Re: new TD compilation
Really-From: Vic Rek
> Question: does anyone know where the last track 'Galago' comes from?
>
> I haven't heard it before; perhaps I'm mistaken, but it doesn't appear
> on any of the discographies that I have seen.
>
> It sounds very Schmoelling-like to me.
>
Yes, it is Johannes Schmoelling and can be found on the KLEM 2 CD.
Vic
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 6:27
pm
Subject: Re: new TD compilation
Really-From: Brian Frick
tadream mailing list wrote:
> > Quoted From: 'Roger Smith'
> >
> > I just received a new TD compilation CDR entitled 'Singles and Other
> > Songs,' which I like very much.
How available is that CD-R?
--
Later!
--
Brian Frick
frickb@l...
Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource:
http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html
* * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * *
http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 6:26
pm
Subject: Re: NEWS RELEASE! FLASH! FLASH!
Really-From: dbrewer@a...
> Quoted From: Michael Fox
>
>
> This release dedicated to all those who got sweaty palms for a few moments--
>
ROTFLOL!! That was great Mike! It's just what I needed.
Dave Brewer
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: Timesteps (Franke), Galago (Schmoelling) & Some New Flamebait
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: new TD compilation
>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 97 13:06:46 -0500
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: 'Roger Smith'
>
> Question: does anyone know where the last track 'Galago' comes from?
>
> I haven't heard it before; perhaps I'm mistaken, but it doesn't appear
> on any of the discographies that I have seen.
The tracks 'Timesteps' and 'Galago' are both on the KLEM 1993 CD.
'Timesteps' was a rough mix of part of Chris Franke's first BABLYON 5
soundtrack, and as such, makes this KLEM CD a collectible for hardcore
B5 fans. 'Galago' is a rough mix of a track off Johannes Schmoelling's
SONGS--NO WORDS album. By rough mix, I mean alternate take or pre-
album version or something along those lines.
When news about this CD-R was first posted, I, too, didn't know
where the tracks were from because even though I have the KLEM 1993 CD,
I hadn't played it for a few months (I like the Michel Huygen, Patrick
Kosmos and Suzanne Ciani tracks more than those of the TD alumni), and
certainly didn't remember those song titles because the Franke and
Schmoelling tracks aren't my faves on the CD. What, you say? Heresy?
Hey, flame me. See what *I* care! Hey, and I prefer Patrick Kosmos to
Klaus Schulze. Is that a crime? (As Mark Filipak would say, 'Asbestos
suit on!')
-- Steven Feldman and
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 7:01
pm
Subject: A Few Rare Items to Share
Really-From: Vic Rek
Well, I just got a few TD and related goodies in. I thought I'd share a few
of them with ya'll (Southern for you all - everybody).
E. Froese - Ages 2 LPs Japanese
E. Froese - Aqua LP Japanese
E. Froese - Pinnacles LP German
T. Dream - Alpha Centauri LP Japanese White label promo
T. Dream - Tangram LP German with 'wintery' tangram sleeve
T. Dream - Lily on the Beach LP mispressing without 'Long Island Sunset'
AND
K. Schulze related: Code III 'Planet of Man' - released on the German label
Membran in 1974. Klaus plays drums on one track. Quite interesting!
I may be willing to trade some of these items ONLY for items from my want
list. So if you are interested, please e-mail me privately for the list.
Thanks,
Vic
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From:
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Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 8:23
pm
Subject: TD on radio ffn 'Grenzwellen'
Really-From: 'Ecki Stieg'
The 'Grenzwellen' on radio ffn (Hannover, Germany) are a radioshow
which exists for more than 10 years now and that is focused on
everything that´s electronic and avantgarde music from TD to Front
242 and back
Since April 1996 'grenzwellen' have a homepage, too. Unfortunately it
is only in german language, but you can find a lot of TD and
similar artists. The page changes every week (for it is a weekly
show!) but you can find details in the 'archiv'
Just got to: www.radioffn.de/wellen. Then got to the button 'archiv'
and then into 'suchen' (search): Type in any name you like and you
get the list of songs I`ve played and the reviews and interviews!
Currently on view ist the 'grenzwellen'-show of April, 30th 1997.
Just go to 'moderation' and watch the hour from 23.00 - 23.-30. It´`s
all about TD and reviews of 'Oasis' and 'Dream Roots Collection'
You´re reactions and comments are welcome!
Ecki Stieg (radio ffn, 'Grenzwellen!)
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 7:39
pm
Subject: Re: CF's signature sound?
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.'
>
> I've been a CF fan for no more than a year (I got to know him via
> Babylon 5), and I'm kind of surprised/pleased by this 'signature
> sound'. Pretty good idea, me thinks.
>
> I'd like to know one thing about this: when did he begin 'signing' like
> this? I've heard the sound as far back as 'Logos' (alas, I don't have
> most of the older albums). But was it a signature by that time, or he
> decided later to use it as such?
CF's 'signature sound'? What's that? Care to explain this a little?
-- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 9:10
pm
Subject: Re: Hello!
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
You want a Td introduction? Well, o.k. Here it goes.... Hi, how are 'ya?
:)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 9:13
pm
Subject: Re: Arrived today!!
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
In a message dated 97-04-30 12:45:11 EDT, you write:
>My copy of Ultima Thule just arrived Fed-Ex from Germany. Great
>packaging. It looks mint. Looks a little short, but what the hell. Free's
>free! I'll let you know how it sounds tomorrow.*
HUH??????? More info!!!!!!
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 8:53
pm
Subject: Re: TD on radio ffn 'Grenzwellen'
Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Really-From: 'Ecki Stieg'
[...]
> Since April 1996 'grenzwellen' have a homepage, too. Unfortunately it
> is only in german language, but you can find a lot of TD and
>similar artists. The page changes every week (for it is a weekly
>show!) but you can find details in the 'archiv'
>Just got to: www.radioffn.de/wellen. Then got to the button 'archiv'
>and then into 'suchen' (search): Type in any name you like and you
> get the list of songs I`ve played and the reviews and interviews!
[....]
> Ecki Stieg (radio ffn, 'Grenzwellen!)
----------
I just read the reviews. They are interesting for those you know the german
language.
But AFAIK most of the list wouldn´t understand your reviews and interviews.
It´ll be nice if english translations are accessible soon :-)
And one more idea: the next time TD is live in Hanover you can try to
broadcast it live on ffn.
Copies of that broadcast will be send to our friends outside germany :)
Bye , Ecki (mach weiter so!)
greatings from Hanover
Jens
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 9:43
pm
Subject: RE: LOGOS TYPE
Really-From: Jim Moore
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
> I listened to LOGOS TYPE last night. Feh. It's mostly the same
>stuff that's on the CROYDON 1982 tape I've got, but with not nearly as
>good sound quality. ... So, for those who
>like SORCERER, LOGOS, THE PARK IS MINE, and THE KEEP--buy this (unless
>someone puts CROYDON 1982 on tape, that is).
O.K. Having LOGOS, DREAMING, RATIKON, and 3-TIER DREAM, just what
am I missing material-wise from LOGOS TYPE? You'd think that
across those 4 albums, you'd have the entire 1982 concert
track list...
'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown
jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia
--------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Apr 30, 1997 10:11
pm
Subject: Re: Phil's Poll
Really-From: 'K.E'
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 2:59
am
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #905
Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy'
Hello Peoples,
There is a interview/article on TD in the latest issue of Seconds.
Bjork is on the cover.
Goodnight,
Maxwell
P.S. There is a picture of Edgar, and he's smiling...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 3:21
am
Subject: Tangram vs. Pergamon/Quichotte
Really-From: feldon@n...
I have Pergamon in the CD player just finishing track one. I don't want to
jump the gun and immediately say that I like it better than Tangram, because
a few more listens might change that, but I do like it very much. I can say
that it *seems* to be much more atmospheric than Tangram. Especially the
echoing voices and thick scary organ at the end of track one. I've been
transported!
Now that I've just switched over to track 2, I've got a question:
During this concert, was there any time break between tracks one and two? Or
is this the same kind of fade that was used on Poland between 'Poland' and
'Tangent' to fit it onto two sides of an LP?
I love the atmospheric stuff on the beginning of track 2.
More to come after I've heard the whole disc...
Morgan
feldon@n...
P.S. This is the actual recording of the concert right? Or did I get the
wrong disc, the remixed/studio-ified version?
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Date: Thu May 1, 1997 3:11
am
Subject: Phil's Poll
Really-From: Mark Filipak
I have only 'Beyond the Storm' but I don't consider it a compilation. --
Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 12:23
am
Subject: Re: d: Live Improvised-long post
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 04:37 PM 4/30/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
>
>
>> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>>
>> Remember who your friends are.
>>
>> A FRIEND. :-) :-)
>>
>> Andrew
>
>You know, I hate to ask, but are 'friends' electric ?
>
>
>
>Grooooooooooaaannn.
Now THAT's bad..... why do we enjoy bad things so?
:-) :-)
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Subject: Re: Phil's Poll
Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
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pm
Subject: Promo CDs
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
Guys,
I have a Promo CD of JMJ's Oxygene 7-13. In general, what
is the difference between Promo and 'normal' CDs and is
there any way of spotting the difference? Are they more
valuable that general CDs and, if so, why?
Thanks,
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GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 5:46
pm
Subject: Re: Phil's Poll
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
I own :
Tangents : a must have, even if the new material is only
so-so.
Dream Roots Collection : another must have, where the new
material is better than Tangets' new material.
>From Dawn Til Dusk : not a must have - nothng new, nothing
remixed, for completists only (the first CD comp I bought,
some years ago now - I was young and impressionable!)
I would consider buying :
Dream Sequence : I have this on LP and might buy it on CD
if I saw it cheap enough - arguably the best collection of
TD tracks, even if they're not remixed.
Private Music of TD : don't have a comp of this period, and
there are two new tracks
I will not buy :
Book of Dreams : are the tracks on this the same as on DRC,
or are they different remixes (answer may move BoD up to
consider buying)?
The Collection : nothing new, no nice packaging and not my
favourite period of TD music.
The Brick : nothing new and perhaps the most blatant
cash-in on the current TD-appeal
NP : Shepherds Bush - TD
---------------------------------------------
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GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 10:53
am
Subject: Re: Phil's Poll
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
> Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>
> I own :
>
> Tangents : a must have, even if the new material is only
> so-so.
I disagree. I think Crazie Eddie butchered the old stuff.
The 'liner notes' are also full of errors.
> Dream Sequence : I have this on LP and might buy it on CD
> if I saw it cheap enough - arguably the best collection of
> TD tracks, even if they're not remixed.
Absolutely the best intro to TD.
> I will not buy :
>
> The Collection : nothing new, no nice packaging and not my
> favourite period of TD music.
I think it's better than having all of EM, AC, Zeit, GD
and Atem. IMHO it contains the highlights of those discs.
I quite often play it when I feel the need for totally
off-world music.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 11:07
am
Subject: quinoa
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
I just spoke to Simon Hart at Voiceprint this morning; he is working
through the Quinoa orders now and tells me they should be going out today
or tomorrow!!! So keep your eyes peeled.
Lars
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Date: Thu May 1, 1997 7:05
pm
Subject: D: Oasis
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
*** Standard Disclaimer Applies : All My Own Opinion ***
I hesitate to provide this, apparently the first discussion
of Oasis in its dedicated discussion week, but I suppose
someone has to. I know that only a limited number of people
have this so far, and I wouldn't want anyone to base their
decision of whether to get this or not on this one post.
However, I should start by warning that this is not as
glowing a report as others seem to have given this new CD.
Almost a week ago, I posted that a change was needed in TD,
and Hilmar suggested that that change arrived with Oasis.
Well, I'm afraid I can't see that change - at least, not a
forward step, perhaps a backward step?
Flashflood (4AS) : This sounds like an outcast from Dream
Mixes - not quite so 'thumpy', but it has the same
repeating piano chords and swirling channel effects (and
high-quality production) of many tracks from that fine
album. As you can see from the score, this is no bad thing,
and this seems like a fine opener to the album.
Zion (4AS) : The intro to this sounds too much like one of
those new fade-ins used on Tangents for my liking, but it
soon gets going. The drum beat is more reminiscent of some
Private material than Jerome's recent attempts and the
wabling (sequencer?) line that jumps all over it is a
reminded of days some time ago.
Reflections (2AS) : This sounds like something off of Froese's
Beyond the Storm or mybe Zoning, and is backed with that
incessant bloody chords that, as I said before, make it
sound like a Tangents update of something. I would say this
is the first real 'soundtrack' piece on the album - it doesn't really
hit me as a standalone track. Either because of that and
possibly some instrumentation, it reminds me of Canyon
Dreams.
Cliff Dwellers (2AS) : This is very 'Melrose'-esque, and again is
quite 'soundtrack'-esque, although more because I can see
things with this, than because it lacks something. A lot of
the instrumentation here suggests it belongs back in the
Melrose/Rockoon days and possibly adds fule to my comments
later.
Waterborne (4AS) : As has been mentioned on the list
before, this was the opener for the '92 North American
tour. In this incarnation, it still maintains much of the
sounds of that period and so is possibly a pretty good
representation of the original. It has that pounding
drumming which smashes all over 220Volt Live, along with
some of the sequencer lines (or similar) that were
prominent in the non-sax tracks.
Cedar Breaks (1AS) : Possibly the worst TD track ever! This
really, really, really, really, really, really, really,
really, really, really sucks!!!! I hate it! I want to
physically cut it out of the disc! Awful!
Summer Storm (3AS) : This one is a cross between Rockoon
(feelings of Touchwood in there) and perhaps Turn of the
Tides. This does have Peruvian pan-pipes as the 'guest'
instrument - perhaps an indication for the future? Anyone
remember Incantation? This doesn't really do very much, but
is quite charming.
Hopi Mesa Heart (2AS) : A very abstract start to the final track,
perhaps being closely linked to the visuals (which I have
not seen). Very slow, with no discernable melody. As with
som of these tracks, t is perhaps best with visuals as
accompanyment.
This gives a rather lowly 2.75AS which I can happily
'upgrade' to a 3AS.
So, Hilmar, you really believe this is the way forward? I
think this has more in common with Rockoon that Goblin's
Club, perhaps because, as far as I'm concerned, most of the
tracks must have been written and even recorded around that
time.
Now, why it would subsequently say that they were recorded
last year is a bit of a surprise to me. Did Edgar decide to
get the old (i.e. early '90's) gear out and use it for
this? No, I didn't think so either.
And we know for a fact that at least 1 track was written
pre-1993 since Waterborne was the opener for the 1992 North
American tour. If we assume that the others are from around
the same time (as I think was suggested by some-one when I
raised the question of Waterborne some time ago) then I
think what we have here is another Tangentized collection
of tracks. That would explain why there's so much
Tangents-like intros and outros.
This does not make the album bad (it's also not fantastic).
But to call this a new direction? C'mon, that was just
new-CD-excitement-itis, wasn't it? That feeling where a new
CD appears and you just know it's going to be the best
thing for years?
So, I stand by my original post. If anything, this
collection of old tracks merely adds fuel to my request for
Edgar to change the line-up.
And since I'm lining myself up for some serious flames,
I'll add one more comment.
Even if Emil does become the new full-time member, how much
input can a drummer have? I would echo previous comments
which suggested that if this is his only instrument his
input is likely to be limited.
Be gentle with me?
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 10:14
am
Subject: Re: JMJ
Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Michael A Jean
> Can anyone suggest a TD tune that we would want 7 different mixes of????
Love on a real train ?
FSC
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 9:49
am
Subject: Re: WEIRD LAWS 7
Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
tadream mailing list wrote:
> << Wichita, KANSAS: Any person who shall use or carry, concealed or
> unconcealed, any bean snapper or like article while attending a concert
> hall shall, upon conviction, be fined.
> >>
>
> And, what, the devil, is a bean snapper?
I guess it's what in latin-america is called Maracas, a fruit-made
musical instrument( there is a fruit whith hard outer edges [when dry]
and empty inside full of beans . When shaken, the inside beans do that
charecteristic noise.
> For that matter, why would someone be inclined to use a bean snapper in
> a concert hall?
Maybe somebody with musical inclinations, dosen't like to be a passive
listener and wants to participate...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 9:55
am
Subject: Re :STRUCTURES, OXIGENE 7-13
Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>
> >Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> >> > o STRUCTURES FROM SILENCE by Steve Roach
> >>
> >> My favorite SR.
> >
> >One of my favs, too. [...]
>
>if you haven't already. And 'World's Edge'. And the follow-up to 'Western
Spaces'
I would include, also, Empetus and Now/Traveler, early works very rithm
intensive and trance-making sequences.
Since this is a non-TD tread :
I've listened yesterday to JMJ Oxigene 7-13 and really is veery god. JMJ
has done it's best work since Oxigene. A Must have for E.music fans.
---francisco
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 9:21
am
Subject: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND ( What version ?)
Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> Really-From: feldon@n...
> In the meantime though, I am hard at work with making a 2CD of the entire
> Harrogate 1986 concert with some extra encores/tracks from other concerts.
> More details to come. Please don't ask for a tracklist as of yet.
That is really what I understand as a productive message. I think you'll
find here more than a couple of persons interested in that CD (;DD
> Do we as TD fans have a problem with the 'Excerpts from Poland' CD because
> it didn't represent the whole concert, or is it because they chose Barbakane
> over Tangent?
Extracts from Poland is an old disc. There is a newer 1 CD version where
they have included Tangent too ( total time on this edition is very near
to 80 minutes).
I don't have the 2 CD set of the same concert but I understand there is
only 5 minutes lelft in this 1 CD edition. Considering the really big
difference in sound quality of this Castle release ( 1 CD version) over
the previous versions I think it's worth having 80 minutes of fantastic
quality ( remastered with 20 bit SBM and the famous DQC system patented
by Edgar ans son) paying the price of 5-not-heard minutes. Maybe this
is a sacrilege, is it ?
---
Francisco
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:02
pm
Subject: CF's signature sound
Really-From: Elana who?
Ah yes... I remember that sound... I use it as the bootup sound on my
Pentium. I call it the 'alien seagull', which is about a close a
description I can find for it.
Anyway, years ago, I asked Chris what HE called it, and he said (exact
quote) 'It's just a modulated sine wave.' Turns out that it dates back
to his first synthesizers. This thing goes waaaaaaaaay back.
-Elana
(who just got the Mark Shreeve CD 'Collide' and is happy and surprised to
hear that THE very first sound on that CD is her screaming 'YEAH!' from
the audience just before the rest of the crowd starts clapping... cool!)
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 12:46
pm
Subject: Tangents *again* was Re: Phil's Poll
Really-From: Kev Holmes
tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
> > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> > I own :
> > Tangents : a must have, even if the new material is only
> > so-so.
> I disagree. I think Crazie Eddie butchered the old stuff.
> The 'liner notes' are also full of errors.
Sorry Grant, your comment has prompted me to put my head above
the parapet and came out in favour of Tangents. I've lurked long
enough and endured reading the varying levels of criticism about
it without saying my piece...
I look at it in light of two viewpoints I heard years ago:-
First, when the early Jupiter probes were going in, it was the
terrestrial meteorologists that were getting really excited.
Their attitude was that the ability to contrast the weather
systems on Jupiter's moons to that of the Earth would lead to a
greater understanding of how the system really worked down here.
Secondly, no artist ever *finishes* a work, they simply abandon
it pending a future return...
I feel Tangents encompasses both approaches and displays the
earlier works in a different light, enabling them to be
appreciated from a new perspective. I find that the 'butchering'
on this release, of even the slightest degree, enlightening. The
treatment of the Encore tracks and particluarly one from Sorceror
(Grind?) is excellent. Let me stress that I still love the
originals, but it's as if they've been dressed differently. (By
the same principle, I think that Stratosfear 1994 is great!)
I agree with the comments about the new material and the liner
notes, but these are trivial in my opinion.
The set is certainly one of the first things I grab from the
shelf to play in the car when heading out on a long journey. And
besides, it's the favourite of my 4yo daughter, and who am I to
argue with her? :-) (Her other favourite piece is 'One of these
days' by PF - What have I brought into the world?)
Agree to disagree?
Cheers,
Kev
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:21
pm
Subject: Phil's Compilation Poll
Really-From: Tom Richmond
Here's my compilation count:
1 copy each of:
'70-'80
Dream Sequence
In the beginning...
The Private Music of Tangerine Dream
Tangents
Dream Roots Collection
Beyond The Storm
No 'Brick' in my future, unless it gets really cheap and someone can
give me a good reason...
Tom
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:28
pm
Subject: 'Singles and Other Songs'
Really-From: Tom Richmond
Help!
I believe I missed something here. Can someone e-mail me as to where
you got this CDR and how much it's going for?
Thanks and forgive my ignorance.
Tom
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:40
pm
Subject: Re: new TD compilation
Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
Where did you get this????
Larry
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I just received a new TD compilation CDR entitled 'Singles and
>Other
> Songs,' which I like very much.
>
> Here is the track listing:
>
> Quasar
> One Night in Medina
> I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You
> Das Madchen auf der Treppe
> Katja
> Eleanor Rigby
> Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal
> Alexander Square (long version)
> House of the Rising Sun
> Canyon Carver
> Canyon Voices
> Lost Tale
> Vermillion Sands
> Time Steps
> Galago
>
> Question: does anyone know where the last track 'Galago' comes
>from?
>
> I haven't heard it before; perhaps I'm mistaken, but it doesn't
>appear
> on any of the discographies that I have seen.
>
> It sounds very Schmoelling-like to me.
>
>
> Roger Smith
>
>
>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:40
pm
Subject: Re: JMJ
Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
I would agree with this.
Larry
>> Can anyone suggest a TD tune that we would want 7 different mixes
>of????
> Love on a real train ?
>
>
>FSC
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:40
pm
Subject: Re: Timesteps (Franke), Galago (Schmoelling) & Some New Flamebait
Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
Steven,
As a Patrick Kosmos fan, have you heard Virtual Reality? This is his only
release (I'm aware of) that I have not heard. I'm looking for an opinion
on it.
Thanks,
Larry
>Hey, flame me. See what *I* care! Hey, and I prefer Patrick Kosmos
>to
>Klaus Schulze. Is that a crime? (As Mark Filipak would say,
>'Asbestos
>suit on!')
>
> -- Steven Feldman
>and
>
>
>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:40
pm
Subject: Re: QUINOA, 'Crazy Eddie,' and VoicePrint
Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
My TD compilations (in total) include:
Dream Sequence
The Best of Tangerine Dream
The Private Music of Tangerine Dream
Dream Music (maybe this is cheating but isn't everything on this
previously released?)
Atmospherics
Tangents
Dream Roots
Beyond the Storm
Electronic Dreams (Froese Vinyl)
Guess I've wasted some money along the way...
Larry
>
><< (TANGENTS, BOOK OF DREAMS/DREAMROOTS, and BEYOND THE
> >STORM). What with Miramar putting out THE BRICK, that's almost all
>of
> >TD, not counting the Private Music stuff.
>
> One wonders how well these things sell. I'm surprised that they sell
> enough to justify putting out more!
>
> Scott >>
>
> Let's take a poll. Who, on this list, has one or more of
>these
>above? I have 'Beyond The Storm' only. I was just playing it the
>other day,
>but that is all. My last, and only TD compilation was 'Dream
>Sequence' back
>in '85.
>
>Phil N.
>
>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:49
pm
Subject: Re: CF's signature sound
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
> Really-From: Elana who?
>
> Anyway, years ago, I asked Chris what HE called it, and he said (exact
> quote) 'It's just a modulated sine wave.' Turns out that it dates back
> to his first synthesizers. This thing goes waaaaaaaaay back.
Or should that be 'Waaaa-oaa-oaa-oaa-oaa-oaaaaaaaeeeeeeeey' ?
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From:
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Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:46
pm
Subject: Re: Tangents *again* was Re: Phil's Poll
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
> Really-From: Kev Holmes
>
> The set is certainly one of the first things I grab from the
> shelf to play in the car when heading out on a long journey.
Well, that's cool. In fact, I've started to look upon my
'frequency of playing' as a guide to which album I rate most
highly at a particular time.
> And besides, it's the favourite of my 4yo daughter, and who am I to
> argue with her? :-) (Her other favourite piece is 'One of these
> days' by PF - What have I brought into the world?)
Sounds like she might grow up to be very sought after in
years to come ! My 2 1/2 year old daughter's fave is 'Boss
Drum' by the Shamen. Go figure.
> Agree to disagree?
Of course. It'd be a pretty boring world if we all went around
playing the original 'Rubycon' every day.
Naaaaaah. It'd be f***ing great !
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 1:49
pm
Subject: WEIRD LAWS 8
Really-From: Michael A Jean
Lincoln, NEBRASKA: Women who happen to be single, widowed, or divorced
are banned from playing a guitar on Sundays.
Barre, VERMONT: No married man may go and listen to a band alone on
Sundays.
Richmond, VIRGINIA: No married woman is allowed to play a musical
instrument on the Sabbath unless she is properly looked after. Properly
looked after is so defined that someone must be close4 behind and carrying
a loaded gun over his left shoulder.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 2:22
pm
Subject: Re. Phil's Poll
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
may day 1997
Well, since I stuck my nose in this business, here are the results
thus far:
7 - People responded
19 - 'votes' were cast
8 - collections were mentioned
Most frequent mention 'Beyond The Storm'
Dream Sequence - 2
In The Beginnings - 1
Beyond The Storm - 5
Private Music Of . . .- 2
Tangents - 3
Dream Roots - 3
70-80 - 1
Book Of Dreams - 1
The above in no particular order-
More to come?
Phil Naunton
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Subject: An odd question perhaps. . . . .
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
Some of the early TD album covers had a very abstract artiness in
their design and execution. Most of these (I think) were created by the
Froeses (Edgar and Monica). Are either considered artists, outside of the
performing aspect (in the case of Edgar)? I just curious if either or both
Edgar or Monica have had a showing, or if they are at all prolific.
Phil Naunton
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Date: Thu May 1, 1997 9:00
am
Subject: Re: Promo CDs
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 10:35 AM 5/1/97 GB-EIRE, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>
>
>Guys,
>
>I have a Promo CD of JMJ's Oxygene 7-13. In general, what
>is the difference between Promo and 'normal' CDs and is
>there any way of spotting the difference? Are they more
>valuable that general CDs and, if so, why?
>
>Thanks,
Craig,
While the readership of this list is incredibly sophisticated and
very tolerant (viz. my constant references to TD-like musicians)
I do think that in this case you ought to post your article on the
JMJ list.
There you will find an entire thinktank that thinks of nothing but
JMJ. How can you go wrong?
Just a suggestion, mind you.....
Cheers,
Andrew
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 10:49
pm
Subject: Re: Promo CDs
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
> >I have a Promo CD of JMJ's Oxygene 7-13. In general, what
> >is the difference between Promo and 'normal' CDs and is
> >there any way of spotting the difference? Are they more
> >valuable that general CDs and, if so, why?
> >
> While the readership of this list is incredibly sophisticated and
> very tolerant (viz. my constant references to TD-like musicians)
> I do think that in this case you ought to post your article on the
> JMJ list.
Thanks for the info about the JMJ groups, Andrew, but I
wasn't being that specific. I just wondered what the
typical difference between ANY promo CD and ANY 'normal' CD
was, not just Oxygene 7-13 in particular.
The reason I raised it was simply because the JMJ album has
a small sticker on the front which says 'Promo Copy Not For
Resale'. Is this TYPICALLY all that distinguishes a Promo
from a normal CD? If I find a TD CD in a used-store, can it
only be promo if it has such a sticker, or is there other
differences?
With LPs it seems a little easier, because a lot just had
white labels, yeah? I just wonder what the CD equivalent
is, that's all.
BTW, I don't think I'd have much to say in any JMJ list.
Oxygene 7-13 is the only CD of his I have. Compared with
the 60-or-so TD CDs I've got, I know I'm on the one and
only list for me!
NP : Earthshaper - Paul Nagle
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GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
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Subject: Re: An odd question perhaps. . . . .
Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> Froeses (Edgar and Monica). Are either considered artists, outside of the
> performing aspect (in the case of Edgar)?
Edgar went to Art School in Berlin, and that's where TD was formed. I'm
not sure what Monika's background is, but I think it's photography. I've
often wondered if in fact they met at the school, and if he still gets the
chance to exercise the old art muscles.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'There is no gravity...the planet sucks'
From:
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Date: Thu May 1, 1997 2:56
pm
Subject: Phil's Poll - A slight return
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
May Day 1997
Duh! I forgot to reference the original poll question, so here it
is:
<>
Apologies for the wasted bandwidth.
And to reiterate - - -
Well, since I stuck my nose in this business, here are the results
thus far:
7 - People responded
19 - 'votes' were cast
8 - collections were mentioned
Most frequent mention 'Beyond The Storm'
Dream Sequence - 2
In The Beginnings - 1
Beyond The Storm - 5
Private Music Of . . .- 2
Tangents - 3
Dream Roots - 3
70-80 - 1
Book Of Dreams - 1
The above in no particular order-
More to come?
Phil Naunton
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Date: Thu May 1, 1997 3:07
pm
Subject: Re: Promo CDs
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
> While the readership of this list is incredibly sophisticated and
> very tolerant (viz. my constant references to TD-like musicians)
> I do think that in this case you ought to post your article on the
> JMJ list.
I'd say Craig had every right to post the question here. It has
nothing, per se, to do with JMJ.
BTW, I'd be fascinated to know the answer to Craig's original
question, too.
Thanks for the info on the Jarre list. I think I may just drop
them a subscription message today.
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Date: Thu May 1, 1997 3:36
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Subject: Phil's poll
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>Atmospherics
What's Atmospherics? I haven't heard of that one.
Scott
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Date: Thu May 1, 1997 9:54
am
Subject: soundtrack??
Really-From: teiwazbarana@u...
Dreamers
have there been any releases of the TD soundtracks from Rainbow Drive
and Tonight's the Night?
--teiwaz
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Date: Thu May 1, 1997 3:53
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Subject: Re: Phil's poll
Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn)
I have:
Beyond The Storm
Private Music Of TD
Tangents
Book Of Dreams
Dream Roots
Martyn
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Date: Thu May 1, 1997 4:01
pm
Subject: Re: JMJ
Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Thu, 1 May 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
>
>
> I would agree with this.
>
> Larry
>
>
> >> Can anyone suggest a TD tune that we would want 7 different mixes
> >of????
> > Love on a real train ?
> >
> >
> >FSC
I'll add a little something to this.
The only 'Dream dream' I've ever really had was the closest I've yet come
to a real TD concert. The lineup was one we'll never see in real
life--Jerome, Paul, and Johannes.(!)
The hall they were playing in was more or less the Theatre Maisonneuve at
Montreal's Place des Arts (where TD has played before, and which I
know). What did they pick for their set? LOART! They did a sort of
'theme and variations' approach, and I must say I think my unconscious
mind did a very good job of making Polandish, Optical Racey, Melrosey,
Rockoonish, and Reichian versions of the piece ;)
Too bad I don't know jack about keyboards and MIDI.
Gabe
From:
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Date: Thu May 1, 1997 4:06
pm
Subject: collections poll
Really-From: Armin Theissen
O.k., I participate. I've got
Dream Sequence - because at the time of release (Vinyl) I didn't knew
'Love on a..' and 'The Dream is...'. So I bought the whole thing
just for 5 min music.
In The Beginnings - because of the at that time unreleased 'Green Desert'.
Beyond The Storm - The first CD I bought after moving to Madrid. Bought it
because of lots of unreleased material. I love this 2CD.
Froese solo 74-79 (not shure about the years) - because I had
no Froese solo album at all and could not affort buying 'em all.
Tangents - almost all unknown (tangentization, CD5). Some tangentization
is really cool (Mojave Plan, third part with underlying piano!),
some really awful (all this boring 'sphere' sound to Rubycon:
blaspheme)
Dream Roots - I must have had too much money.
70-80 - at that time, the only TD I had was 'Stratosfear' (and some
stuff on tapes). So actually this was my introduction to TD. I think
it was a very good one. And the booklet with zillions of photos:
wonderful!
Book Of Dreams - a must because of CD5.
All the rest is uninteresting if you have all the regular albums.
I would like to see/have the poster in the Brick, but buying the brick
just for that is way too much.
Armin
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Date: Thu May 1, 1997 4:05
pm
Subject: re: Phil's Poll
Really-From: Gabe Yedid
I've got
Beyond The Storm
Tangents
Private Music of TD (aka extracts from Melrose)
Gabe
From:
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: Phil's Poll (which TD Comps. we own)
Really-From: Steven Feldman
o '70-'80 for the three solo tracks and the single version of Monolight)
o IN THE BEGINNING for GREEN DESERT (I bought it in 1986)
o THE PRIVATE MUSIC OF TANGERINE DREAM for Roaring of the Bliss and
Beavertown
o DREAM MUSIC 2 for the cover versions
o TANGENTS for the 5th CD
o DREAM MIXES because! ;)
o UK DREAM MIXES for the 2nd CD
o BOOK OF DREAMS for alternate versions of very old stuff
o DREAM ROOTS for the 5th CD Is there an echo in here? Cf TANGENTS. ;)
Froese solo comps:
that Maroubra Bay was recorded backwards, then).
Franke solo comps:
other form
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
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Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 11:58
am
Subject: Re: Promo CDs
Really-From: Michael Fox
Craig, et al: Re: Promo CD's.
Most Promo CD's are the same as the rest of the pressing for retail sale.
If it states something like 'for radio airplay' the trak(s) MIGHT be edits
and are generally designated as such on the disk itself. If it just has a
sticker on the cover, it's probably the same as any other copy. Promo's are
usually used for 'press release i.e., review by media'. Look for any
stamping on the slip paper that says anything (probably 'not for sale' like
you stated) or anything that denotes an edit on the disk itself. Hope that
answers your querry.
Mike
At 10:35 AM 5/1/97 GB-EIRE, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>
>
>Guys,
>
>I have a Promo CD of JMJ's Oxygene 7-13. In general, what
>is the difference between Promo and 'normal' CDs and is
>there any way of spotting the difference? Are they more
>valuable that general CDs and, if so, why?
>
>Thanks,
>
>---------------------------------------------
>Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
>GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
>Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
>
>E-mail : cordrey@m...
>---------------------------------------------
>
>
>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 5:28
pm
Subject: Re: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...)
Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn)
> Quoted From: PNaunton@a...
>
> In a message dated 97-04-30 02:52:46 EDT, [Steven Feldman wrote]:
>
> << (TANGENTS, BOOK OF DREAMS/DREAMROOTS, and BEYOND THE
> >STORM). What with Miramar putting out THE BRICK, that's almost all of
> >TD, not counting the Private Music stuff.
>
> Let's take a poll. Who, on this list, has one or more of these
> above? I have 'Beyond The Storm' only. I was just playing it the other day,
> but that is all. My last, and only TD compilation was 'Dream Sequence' back
> in '85.
Compilations that I have:
Tangents
Dream Roots Collection
Beyond the Storm
Dream Sequence
EF: Solo 1974 -1979
I enjoy all of these compilations, whether they contain only previously
released material (e.g. Dream Sequence) or whether they contain 'tangentized'
remixes of previously released material. Obviously, any previously unreleased
material added to these compilations is a plus.
I know that they are many here on this list who don't care for the 'tangentized'
remixes but, in general, I enjoy them for putting new perspective, new life
into older material. A good example is the extra bass lines added to the
Tangram excerpt in Tangents. However, it doesn't always work for me. Such is
the case with the drastically reworked version of Upland on Beyond the Storm.
I think EF ruined the original with a monotonous rhythm track and keyboard
sequence. Upland notwithstanding, I really enjoy Beyond the Storm.
I have no intention of getting The Brick as it appears to offer nothing new,
neither unreleased material nor remixed material, for people who already
own the Miramar TD CDs.
Steven,
I seem to recall that you felt that the remixes that appear on EF's Solo: 1974-
1979 LP were superior to the originals. I must agree, especially on the track
os 452 (?) from Macula Transfer. The original sounded quite spartan whereas the
remix sounds fuller, richer and more developed. Dare I say that these remixes
were 'tangentized'? (I seem to recall that you didn't like the 'tangentization'
process, yes?)
-Erik Sanborn
esanborn@B...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:02
am
Subject: Re: Phil's poll
Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v...
tadream mailing list wrote:
> Al though I have 52 TD records I only have one compilation
Tangents (1st 3 CDs are cool)
Beyond the storm.
Would you consider C.Franke 'Enchanting Nature' a compilation CD?
Gaza
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: Phil's Poll Again
Really-From: Steven Feldman
Sorry, but something weird happened with my last post that chopped off
the names of the Froese and Franke solo comps I have. They are:
Froese:
ELECTRONIC DREAMS
SOLO '73-'79
BEYOND THE STORM
Franke:
NEW MUSIC FOR FILMS, VOL. 1
P.S.: does ENCHANTING NATURE count? I have that, too.
-- Steven Feldman and
From:
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Date: Thu May 1, 1997 7:35
pm
Subject: phil's poll
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
tiptoe... tiptoe... tiptoe...
creeeaaaaaakkkkkkkk
(peeking)
(entering quiety)
tiptoetiptoetiptoe
psssst, is it safe to come out yet?
(whispering)
I just wanted to respond to Phil's poll; yeah, I have all of those comps
except The Brick (but only cause I don't want to pay $85 for it in London
when I can get it for $30 in the US); I have all the legitimate comps
except for 'Ossiach Live' and 'V' but I am looking for them -- call me a
sucker, call me a completist, but just don't call me for Ultima Thule /
'cause I only have one autographed copy / and you can't have it not even
for yule ...
Oh-oh flamethrowers de-cloaking off the starboard bow! Shields UP! Full
reverse Mr. Datta, get me outta here!!!!!!!
(lars who wasn't really here if anyone comes asking for me)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 7:35
pm
Subject: d:addendum, week of May 5
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
D: List, Addendum; Week of May 5
Rumpelstiltskin
Enjoy!
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 7:38
pm
Subject: Re: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...)
Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
Which compilation is it where the whole thing is made in France, is only
one disc, I believe has a computer generated image on the cover, and is a
first generation CD, meaning it can with instructions upon how to correctly
handle CD's. The complilation went as far up as '83 (I believe) and went as
far back as Alpha Centauri. Dumb me returned it because I wasn't thrilled
(at that time) and I didn't know this stuff had much value.
Greg...
From:
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Date: Thu May 1, 1997 8:07
pm
Subject: Re: JMJ
Really-From: Claude Roy
>
>The only 'Dream dream' I've ever really had was the closest I've yet come
>to a real TD concert. The lineup was one we'll never see in real
>life--Jerome, Paul, and Johannes.(!)
>
>The hall they were playing in was more or less the Theatre Maisonneuve at
they played at Wilfrid Pelletier Place Des Arts in 77, 86 and 92. I for
myself, saw my
first TD concert in 92, before that I was like you, only dreaming of seeing
them live.
You're TD dream team is not bad but why Jerome more then Edgar. For me
Paul, Edgar and
Johannes would be a great trio. Well we never know what's the future
ahead. It seem that
Edgar is still in good term with Paul and Johannes if I'm not mistaking.
By the way, You're dream will maybe become reality quit soon with this
maybe tour in november.
As for myself, if it's the case. I will try to make it for the concerts in
the nearby area like Montreal, Quebec,
Toronto, even Boston or New York...
>Montreal's Place des Arts (where TD has played before, and which I
>know). What did they pick for their set? LOART! They did a sort of
>'theme and variations' approach, and I must say I think my unconscious
>mind did a very good job of making Polandish, Optical Racey, Melrosey,
>Rockoonish, and Reichian versions of the piece ;)
>
>Too bad I don't know jack about keyboards and MIDI.
>
>Gabe
>
>
___________________________________________________________
Claude Roy,
Longueuil
P.Q. Canada
e-mail:
e-mail:
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(site cinema)
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 8:44
pm
Subject: Poll On This!
Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
Okay! I'll bite!
I have these compilations (not sure why, since I have everything TD has ever
done in the complete forms...maybe they're good at parties to introduce the
uninitiated to TD. Or because they do sometimes have different mixes and a
few un-released titles.)
DREAM SEQUENCE; THE PRIVATE MUSIC OF...; DREAM MUSIC (movie music); COLLECTED
ENDINGS; THE COLLECTION.
I have seen others but have felt they were either too expensive or had too
much stuff I already owned. I might reconsider some of these, though!
By the way, I was in the record store the other day and saw some new TD
items. Since we have been discussing marketing and scams lately I would be
interested in opinions on these:
The Grammy Nominated TD - a 5CD box of their Grammy nominated CD's (We all
have them) put out by Miramar, I think.
Two Miramar compilation CD's with various artists including TD ( didn't give
them a second glance...so don't remember what the TD songs were for sure).
A 30th anniversary CD of other people doing the music of TD. (could be
interesting - need more input on this one).
At any rate, it appears that Miramar is milking every nickel and dime that
they can get out of their former association with TD - and I'm sure Edgar has
no say in the matter (and probably isn't even getting any of the money from
these things). I'm sure Private Music is doing the same thing. Well, like I
say...in the 90's the music business is more 'business' than 'music'.
Comments?
Graf Zeigen
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: 'A 30th Anniversary CD . . .'?
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Poll On This!
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:44:47 -0400 (EDT)
>Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
>
>A 30th anniversary CD of other people doing the music of TD. (could be
>interesting - need more input on this one).
If this isn't TANGERINE AMBIENCE, then you've discovered something
new!
-- Steven Feldman and
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 10:43
pm
Subject: Cd's on order
Really-From: Kim Pedersen
Could anyone review these cd's i have ordered from Ranjit:
1) Burkhardt, M/Schmoelling, J - (Der) Zaubergeiger ... [Ger./CD] $ 21.95
2) Froese, Edgar - Kamikaze 1989 [USA/CD] ........................ $ 14.95
3) Tangerine Dream - 20th Century Serenades [Germany/CD] ......... $ 24.95
4) Tangerine Dream - Ardem 'O' [Germany/CD] ...................... $ 24.95
5) Tangerine Dream - Coefficient Of Aural Expansion [Europe/CD] .. $ 39.95
6) T D - Coefficient Of Aural Expansion Part 2 [Europe/LtdEdCD-R] $ 39.95
7) Tangerine Dream - Collected Endings [Germany/CD] .............. $ 24.95
8) Tangerine Dream - Rockoon [USA/SplEdCD-single] ................ $ 9.95
9) Tangerine Dream - Shepherd's Bush [UK/LtdEd2TrkCD] ............ $ 18.95
10) Tangerine Dream - Sol Et Luna (Mystery Tracks II) [Germany/CD] $ 24.95
11) Tangerine Dream - 3 Tier Dream [UK/3CD] ...................... $ 89.95
12) Tangerine Dream - 3 Tier Dream On! [UK/CD] ................... $ 22.95
Please email privately.
In advance thanks.
Regards Kim Pedersen
Korg 01w users group:
http://www.sysedata.no/home/kimp
E-mail:kimp@s...
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From:
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Date: Thu May 1, 1997 8:33
pm
Subject: Re: Phil's poll
Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
my compilations:
Dream Sequence
Collection
>From Dawn till Dusk
The Private Music of TD
Tangents
Book of Dreams
Dream Roots
FSC
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 10:43
pm
Subject: Re: Re. Phil's Poll
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: PNaunton@a...
>
> may day 1997
>
> Well, since I stuck my nose in this business, here are the results
> thus far:
>
> 7 - People responded
> 19 - 'votes' were cast
> 8 - collections were mentioned
>
> Most frequent mention 'Beyond The Storm'
Perhaps there's a difference between comps with no pur (previously
unreleased material) and comps with pur?
'BtS' has so much pur, I wouldn't even count it as a comp.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 11:24
pm
Subject: Re: Phil's poll
Really-From: stephan bischoff
I have:
TADREAM:
Private Music Of TD
Just because the two new songs.
Tangents
Best collection ever. I like the tangentized tracks, the new ones are not
so great
compared to DRC.
Book Of Dreams
The tangentized tracks from the pink period are nice, but the rest...
Dream Roots Collection
The new tracks are awesome, the others are okay, esp. the tangentized
versions
of the pink period (still couldn't compare them to those on BoD).
Dream Mices
Jerome's Input is clearly hearable. Not a must-have, but interesting for
the younger fans. The new tracks on the TDI release are much better than
the rest.
I often use Tangents and DRC for searching the song titles of tracks on
boots and tapes.
EDDIE:
Beyond The Storm
Sometimes a little to much tangentized. Most I like 'Upland'. The new tracks
are nothing special.
CHRIS:
Are there any 'normal' albums from him? :-)
Enchanting Nature
Got this one last week from CDnow. I expected more reworking / more new input
from Chris, but all he did was renaming the songs...
PAUL:
Phase to Phase
I don't know the original albums, but most of the tracks I don't like very
much.
Bye, Stephan
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 10:41
pm
Subject: Re: An odd question perhaps. . . . .
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: PNaunton@a...
>
> ... Are either [Edgar or Monika] considered artists, outside of the
> performing aspect (in the case of Edgar)? ...
More seasoned folk could answer this more fully, but I believe Edgar
studied sculpting in his youth. -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 10:33
pm
Subject: Re: Poll On This!
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
> ...
> A 30th anniversary CD of other people doing the music of TD. (could be
> interesting - need more input on this one).
This is probably 'Tangerine Ambience.' I did a review of it. Contact
me off-list and I'll send it to you. -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 10:32
pm
Subject: French comp - pink & virgin?
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>
> Which compilation is it where the whole thing is made in France, is
> only one disc, I believe has a computer generated image on the cover,
> and is a first generation CD, meaning it can with instructions upon
> how to correctly handle CD's. The complilation went as far up as '83
> (I believe) and went as far back as Alpha Centauri. Dumb me returned
> it because I wasn't thrilled (at that time) and I didn't know this
> stuff had much value.
If your memory serves you well regarding 83, then this must have either
been a b**t that listed separate tracks and not a compilation, or it was
a pirate compilation that combined pink and virgin years. If anyone
locates this disc, please post. -- Mark
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 9:42
pm
Subject: New Castle 'Poland' SBM
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> ...
> I don't have the 2 CD set of the same concert but I understand there
> is only 5 minutes lelft in this 1 CD edition. Considering the really
> big difference in sound quality of this Castle release ( 1 CD version)
> over the previous versions I think it's worth having 80 minutes of
> fantastic quality ( remastered with 20 bit SBM and the famous DQC
> system patented by Edgar ans son) paying the price of 5-not-heard
> minutes. Maybe this is a sacrilege, is it ?
If you don't have the 2-CD of 'Poland,' then how can you compare them,
Francisco? I'm well known as a cheerleader for these new SBMs, but in
the case of 'Poland,' it's hard for me to imagine it being any better
than the already excellent Relativity release -- but I felt that way
about 'Tangram' too, until I heard the new one. Has anyone out there
done an A/B listening comparision between the Relativity 2-CD and the
Castle 1-CD SBM, and if so, would you post a review? Thanks -- Mark
From:
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Date: Thu May 1, 1997 11:42
pm
Subject: Voiceprint
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi all,
A quick note : very busy rehearsing for EMMA.
I noticed the talk about Voiceprint. Sorry if this duplicates information
but the man behind 'Voiceprint' is Rob Ayling. He can be contacted via
e-mail at the following address :
rob@v...
This address was printed on the back of Ultravox's most recent album
('Ingenuity') which was distributed by Voiceprint.
Cheers
David
email : dhughes@g...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 7:06
pm
Subject: Re: Promo CDs
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 03:49 PM 5/1/97 GB-EIRE, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>
>Thanks for the info about the JMJ groups, Andrew, but I
>wasn't being that specific. I just wondered what the
>typical difference between ANY promo CD and ANY 'normal' CD
>was, not just Oxygene 7-13 in particular.
>
>The reason I raised it was simply because the JMJ album has
>a small sticker on the front which says 'Promo Copy Not For
>Resale'. Is this TYPICALLY all that distinguishes a Promo
>from a normal CD? If I find a TD CD in a used-store, can it
>only be promo if it has such a sticker, or is there other
>differences?
>
>With LPs it seems a little easier, because a lot just had
>white labels, yeah? I just wonder what the CD equivalent
>is, that's all.
>
>BTW, I don't think I'd have much to say in any JMJ list.
>Oxygene 7-13 is the only CD of his I have. Compared with
>the 60-or-so TD CDs I've got, I know I'm on the one and
>only list for me!
>
>NP : Earthshaper - Paul Nagle
(Yeah! Paul! Wonderful music. The man is evolving in front of our eyes.
Those of you lucky enough to go to EMMA this year, can experience
him AND Air Sculpture live and in person. Lucky Europeans!! -- Andrew)
Hi, Craig
As far as JMJ is concerned and the 'promo' sticker. Sorry for the
misunderstanding. I thought you were 'lost.' :-) :-)
If you want a terrific 'live' JMJ experience try 'Concert Pour
La Tolerance.' VERY good.
As far as the 'promo' labels are concerned it is my feeling that
they are a ruse to pass into commercial circulation stuff that
wasn't intended for sale in the first place. In other words, a
boot. Since I am not anal enough to have every edition of
everything (although I also have over 70 TD CDs) I have not
had the opportunity to compare two 'editions' of the same thing:
one with and without 'promo' stickers.
BUT... you are in luck... I have an order in with CDNow for the
commercial release of '7-13.' Should arrive in a few weeks.
When it does I will break it down for you into as much detail
as possible and we can compare notes. Howsat?
Cheers,
Andrew
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 12:23
am
Subject: poll
Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Greetings-
It's easier for me to say which _one_ I don't have - _Ossiach Live_. I have
'Ozillator Planet Concert' on a boot, though, so I'm in no real hurry to
find this set. Yes, I am a completist!
goozer
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 12:35
am
Subject: Re: WEIRD LAWS 7
Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
In a message dated 97-05-01 18:54:53 EDT, you write:
<< Wichita, KANSAS: Any person who shall use or carry, concealed or
> unconcealed, any bean snapper or like article while attending a concert
> hall shall, upon conviction, be fined.
> >>
>
> And, what, the devil, is a bean snapper? >>
I believe it is what most of us today would call a 'slingshot'.
Graf
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 12:43
am
Subject: Re: JMJ
Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
In a message dated 97-05-01 19:10:39 EDT, you write:
<< > Can anyone suggest a TD tune that we would want 7 different mixes of????
Love on a real train ? >>
I'm almost that fond of 'Cloudburst Flight'. Maybe 'Beach Theme' from THIEF
which I would love to hear expounded upon further.
Graf
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:29
am
Subject: Re: Tangram vs. Pergamon/Quichotte
Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Greetings-
>Really-From: feldon@n...
>...
>During this concert, was there any time break between tracks one and two? Or
>is this the same kind of fade that was used on Poland between 'Poland' and
>'Tangent' to fit it onto two sides of an LP?
>
>I love the atmospheric stuff on the beginning of track 2.
>
>More to come after I've heard the whole disc...
>...
>P.S. This is the actual recording of the concert right? Or did I get the
>wrong disc, the remixed/studio-ified version?
Here's the info from the TD: Live or Memorex FAQ that I sent out back in
mid-January:
==================
_PERGAMON_ (A.K.A. _QUICHOTTE_)- While there is basically no difference
between the two shows performed that day (at least as far as I have been
able to determine among all my various fantapes/LP's/CD's of the shows),
they remain unique among the shows from '80. This show was performed
exclusively for the E. Berlin audience (and, of course, whoever was
listening on the radio), despite what some have said about hearing it in
'80, '81 or wherever. The first set (Evening TT: 37:27) opens with
white/pink noise generators and sfx (4:30), and then segues into what was
essentially an edited preview of _Tangram_ (11:20), which had yet to be
released, and then moves into a long sequencer-oriented piece (21:37),
similar to (but _not_ the same as) the second half of the second set
('Quichotte pt.2'). The afternoon version of this set was originally issued
as _Staatsgrenze West_, with part of the wonderful encore track to tease
us.
The second set provided the raw material for _Quichotte_/_Pergamon_. Part
of the contract for TD's performance in E. Berlin was to have it broadcast
by State-run Radio and TV stations, with the stipulations that the album
release be different from the broadcast, and not available on a western
label for 6 years. So what you hear on _Quichotte_/_Pergamon_ is not really
the set as performed at all; Pt. 1 is essentially the same, with the odd
difference here and there. The 'Maelstrom' link segment between the two
parts is exactly the same. Pt. 2, however, is a studio creation based on
ideas of the last halves of Set 1 and Set 2, with the basic sequencer
stucture and guitar solo being entirely a studio creation. For the
re-release as _Pergamon_, the band simply added a (very) little more to the
end of Pt. 2.
There is also a 12 min. encore that is the highlight of the whole show,
IMVHO. Unfortunately, it hasn't appeared on any bootleg in its full
length...yet. ; )
==================
ADDENDUM: The encore _has_ appeared! It can be found on the extremely hard
to find CD-R _The Dream Is Not Always The Same_! There is also a _rumor_ of
a 2 CD-R set coming out with the _complete_ afternoon and evening shows!
==================
Hope this helped!
goozer
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:48
am
Subject: Silva's out of print CD's...not to worry
Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
For those of you concerned about not finding any of the silva CD's by TD
(Shy People, Dead Solid Perfect, Park Is Mine, Dream Music 1 & 2) Ford
Thaxton assured me that they will be around for a while. If you have a
hard time finding these Cd's contact Super Collector at 714-839-3693.
They have these titles at very reasonable prices. If they don't have
them, call Dave Minton at 1-800-cdtapes. I highly recommend Dave's mail
order services as well.
regards,
Dano
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59
am
Subject: Shadow sample?
Really-From: Ryan Smith
This morning I was out shopping for some home furnishing, and the store I
was in was playing a DJ Shadow CD (only in Berkeley do they play such
things in a furniture store). Anyway, one of the tracks had what I swear
sounded like a TD sample. It was a very familiar electric guitar line
that I think was from one the 70s albums (maybe Force Majuere) except
slowed down some and looped. Maybe I'm just going crazy, but then again
DJ Shadow is known for mixing lots of obscure samples. If anyone can
confirm or deny this, I'd appreciate it. Oh, and there's another one that
I noticed a while back. On the Future Sound of London CD 'Lifeforms' I
could swear I recognize a sample from the 1st track of Edgar's solo album
'Aqua'. I remember hearing somewhere that this album had a TD sample in
it, but I've never recognized any except the one from 'Aqua'. Is there
another one that I'm missing?
Kaldari
kaldari@c...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 1, 1997 11:06
pm
Subject: Re: Voiceprint
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 12:42 AM 5/2/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>A quick note : very busy rehearsing for EMMA.
You at EMMA, John and Paul at Jodrell.. sheeeshh.... why don't you
all get together for a mega Atlanta concert? I can guarantee several
hundred of my personal friends would be there stomping and
cheering.
Well?
Andrew
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:18
am
Subject: Re: French comp - pink & virgin?
Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>
> If your memory serves you well regarding 83, then this must have either
> been a b**t that listed separate tracks and not a compilation, or it was
> a pirate compilation that combined pink and virgin years. If anyone
> locates this disc, please post. -- Mark
>
The cover, if I can remember, had a cover of a woman/design that was
computerized. This album was for sale at my local music store, and oddly,
this one did not fit. It sat for quite a while, until I bought it--which I
returned it because I disliked the music. My music store usually stocks
only the most recent of Tangerine Dream from labels associated with New
Age.. (Miramar..Private Music..Castle)
Maybe if I dig around at my music store's used section, I might find it.
I know this for certain though, this is not an album listed on T-Dreams's
Discography!
Greg..
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:24
am
Subject: Re: collections poll
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-05-01 12:18:19 EDT, you write:
<< O.k., I participate. I've got
Dream Sequence - because at the time of release (Vinyl) I didn't knew
'Love on a..' and 'The Dream is...'. So I bought the whole thing
just for 5 min music.
Armin >>
I've always felt embarassed because I did the same thing, but I'd
probably do it again. I don't think I've played the rest of the tracks on
these LPs more than once, if that.
Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:24
am
Subject: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - -
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
May Day +1 1997
<>
20 - People responded
72 - 'votes' were cast
14 - Different collections were mentioned
List Member with the most compilations - Steven Feldman - 9
Most frequent mention 'Beyond The Storm'
Dream Sequence - 8
In The Beginning - 3
Beyond The Storm - 16
Private Music Of . . .- 9
Tangents - 12
Dream Roots - 9
70-80 - 4
Book Of Dreams - 3
The Collection (? I don't know this one) - 1
Froese 74-79 - 3
Collected Endings (? Idon't know this one either) - 1
>From Dusk'Til Dawn - 1
Dream Music - (no mention if this was ONE or TWO) - 1
Electronic Dreams - (Actually because of Yab Abruam I don't really think of
this as a compilation, but sometimes you have to say, 'What the f##k!') - 1
Many people mentioned The Brick but apparently no one owns it.
More or less arbitrarily, I decided that the compilation could only
be Tangerine Dream and/or artists currently with TD ( E.F.) or this could
have gotten really messy.
I therefore had to cut out the Franke stuff as his comps only contained stuff
he did (or at least published) after leaving TD. Sorry 'bout that.
More to come?
Phil Naunton
P.S. The figures above are a little rough at this point, I will have to go
over the posts a bit more carefull to verify the information, if anyone is
interested.
P.P.S. Lars' 'post Ultima Thule' compilation posting was a tad on the vague
side so his information is not included. Also, I couldn't tell if it was
another joke or not.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:42
am
Subject: gone for the month (almost)
Really-From: Gabe Yedid
I will be out of town, alternately working my arse off and enjoying the
sun and good rum in Barbados from May 4 to May 26. Hope to hear from you
all then, if your e-mails don't get answered for a while, don't take it
personally and I'm not dead (barring any fatal run-ins with nasty
Barbadian marine or road life, liver failure, terminal heatstroke etc.)
Have a good month of May everyone,
Gabe
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:53
am
Subject: Poll
Really-From: Jim Moore
Better late than never...
I have:
Dream Sequence
The Collection (on cassette)
In the Beginning (on vinyl)
Tangents
Dream Roots Collection
Private Music of TD
Beyond teh Storm
Phaedra/Rubycon/Richochet Box Set
Encore/Cyclone/Force Majeure Box Set
Tyger/Poland/Best of Box Set
Edgar Froese: Solo
'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown
jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia
--------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 12:15
am
Subject: Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - -
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 12:24 AM 5/2/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: PNaunton@a...
>
>The Collection (? I don't know this one) - 1
Actually I have TWO 'Collection's. One a compilation,
the other a collection. Go figure.
The first is 'The Collection' (Castle CCSCD 161) with
the follwoing tracks:
Genesis
Circulation of Events
Fauni-Gena
Alpha Centauri
(Zeit First Movement)
Birth of Liquid Plejades
White Clouds
The second, made in England, titled 'Collection' and it contains
three CDs: 'Poland,' 'The Best of Tangerine Dream' and 'Tyger.'
There is a text in upper right corner of the box that states:
'Special Gold CD Edition.' All three are on Jive and numbered
Chip 22, Chip 75, and Chip 47, respectively.
I also have a collection titled 'Ambient' (Synthetiseur) - Collectors'
Edition (3 Limited Edition Picture Discs) and the box contains:
Edgar Froese - 'Aqua,' Klaus Schulze - 'Time Wind' and
Ashra - 'Blackouts.'
>Collected Endings (? Idon't know this one either) - 1
boot
Did anyone mention the 2-CD 'The Story of Tangerine Dream'
also on Jive (made in Germany) No. 74321 11709 2?
Andrew
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:16
pm
Subject: Still there?
Really-From: Paul Nagle
I haven't had anything from the list for a few days....is it my
server, have we really all run out of things to say, or have I been
banished because of that dodgy picture on my web page?
If someone would kindly let me know I'll resubscribe or something....
8-)
Paul
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 8:10
am
Subject: Tangram Remastered?
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
I recently saw Tangram with the original red cover instead of the old purple
one. Obviously it was rereleased. But has the music on the new Tangram been
remastered?
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:11
pm
Subject: Re: Promo CDs
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
Thanks for the info Mark and Andrew. Looks like I better
keep that sticker stuck, or it'll just be another 'normal'
CD!
NP : Cyborg - Klaus Schulze
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
---------------------------------------------
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:24
pm
Subject: Re: French comp - pink & virgin?
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>
> The cover, if I can remember, had a cover of a woman/design that was
> computerized. This album was for sale at my local music store, and oddly,
> this one did not fit. It sat for quite a while, until I bought it--which I
> returned it because I disliked the music. My music store usually stocks
> only the most recent of Tangerine Dream from labels associated with New
> Age.. (Miramar..Private Music..Castle)
The cover you describe sounds very much like Lily on the
Beach, which was released on Private in 1989. However, that
was (sub-?)standard studio release and not a compilation.
Perhaps your memory is playing tricks on you (and us)?
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
---------------------------------------------
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 8:38
am
Subject: Paul Nagle's Skyrider
Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
Has anyone on the list (other than Paul :) heard this disc ?
I've just DL'ed the WAV of 'On Mercury's Wings' from the album
from Paul's home page and it sounds bloody great !
I'm tempted just to get it at the first opportunity regardless.
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_.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d...
Grunt ! [, @
\______/ 'There's too much blood in
/\ /\ my caffeine system'
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From:
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 9:13
am
Subject: Re: Paul Nagle's Skyrider
Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker)
>Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
>
>
>Has anyone on the list (other than Paul :) heard this disc ?
>
>I've just DL'ed the WAV of 'On Mercury's Wings' from the album
>from Paul's home page and it sounds bloody great !
>
>I'm tempted just to get it at the first opportunity regardless.
>
At the risk of embarrassing Paul (one I'm sure he's prepared to take!) I would
say Skyrider is an excellent CD and one that you should give into
temptation for... IMO it is the best of the elements series that I have
heard (which are Water, Fire and of course Sky).
Alan
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 9:37
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Subject: DJ Shadow
Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
>Really-From: Ryan Smith
>
>
>This morning I was out shopping for some home furnishing, and the store I
>was in was playing a DJ Shadow CD (only in Berkeley do they play such
>things in a furniture store). Anyway, one of the tracks had what I swear
>sounded like a TD sample. It was a very familiar electric guitar line
>that I think was from one the 70s albums (maybe Force Majuere) except
>slowed down some and looped. Maybe I'm just going crazy, but then again
>[...]
>
Hi,
I made the same expericence, hanging around after dinner with a friend,
having some irish whiskey (he is irish). He played his ambient stuff,
and suddenly I heard the guitar line of TD's 'Invisible Limits'
(last track on 'Stratosfear'). 'What is this?', I screamed. It was
DJ Shadow.
Future Sound of London: I recently listened to parts of FSOL 'Lifeforms'.
Could anybody tell me where that Aqua sample is supposed to appear?
And: 7th track on CD2 in 'Lifeforms': The credit to a certain 'Schulze'
must be Klaus, right?
cheers
armin, who confused 'Dream Root Collection' and 'Book of Dreams' in the
poll.
Armin Theissen
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`Live is complex - it has a real and an imaginary part!'
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu May 2, 1996 10:52
am
Subject: RE: melatron question
Really-From: Michael Richard
Hello!
> Hi there. I've heard of the melatron and have heard that it was an
> instrument that used tape loops I think? Can this instrument still be
> found, and what kinds of sounds did it produce exactly? was it a sort of
> synthesizer or what? thanks for the information.
It's not a melatron, but a mellotron. It's a kind of synthesizer, but instead
having sound made electronicaly, each key plays a different tape, that means
that each key has a different sound. Most popular mellotrons were violin and
voice. I think that mellotron is the best instrument ever done. But it's very
hard to find 'cos the fashion ended in the 70's. If you want to hear the sound
of a violin mellotron, I suggest to listen old Genesis, mainly the song Watcher
Of The Sky.
See ya!
:) Michael (:
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 1:33
pm
Subject: Re: DJ Shadow
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
>I made the same expericence, hanging around after dinner with a friend,
>having some irish whiskey (he is irish). He played his ambient stuff,
>and suddenly I heard the guitar line of TD's 'Invisible Limits'
>(last track on 'Stratosfear'). 'What is this?', I screamed. It was
>DJ Shadow.
Good ears, Armin. I myself probably wouldn't have picked it out, but I had the
benefit of reading the liner notes. For once, TD is actually credited!
>Future Sound of London: I recently listened to parts of FSOL 'Lifeforms'.
>Could anybody tell me where that Aqua sample is supposed to appear?
I couldn't pick out Aqua, but there's an entire song that sounds like it's based
on a tune from 'Canyon Dreams.'
-B. Kirby
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 1:33
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Subject: Re: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...)
Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
In a message dated 97-05-01 20:51:48 EDT, you write:
<< Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
Which compilation is it where the whole thing is made in France, is only
one disc, I believe has a computer generated image on the cover, and is a
first generation CD, meaning it can with instructions upon how to correctly
handle CD's. The complilation went as far up as '83 (I believe) and went as
far back as Alpha Centauri. Dumb me returned it because I wasn't thrilled
(at that time) and I didn't know this stuff had much value. >>
I think you may be referring to a 1987 Castle comp. called 'TANGERINE DREAM -
THE COLLECTION'. It is from The Collector Series. It is a British import
but was made in France and has the CD instructions (in multiple languages you
described). Also, the cover art looks computer generated...a similar style
of artwork reminiscent of the cover art for 'Lily On The Beach'. It
contains:
GENESIS
CIRCULATION OF EVENTS
FAUNI - GENA
ALPHA CENTAURI
(ZEIT FIRST MOVEMENT) BIRTH OF LIQUID PLEJADES
WHITE CLOUDS
I'm sure Edgar probably considers this a 'bastard-child' CD.
Graf
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From:
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 1:32
pm
Subject: promos
Really-From: Michael A Jean
Usually they are the same as the store release...it is just a copy sent to
the store or radio to preview....occaisionally there will be a track
change or remix before the actual album comes out, so those types of
things can be worth something. Sometimes an scheduled release is
cancelled, and then the promo is REALLY a collector's item...I don't
imagine this is the case with the JMJ
MJ
From:
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 1:57
pm
Subject: Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - -
Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
In a message dated 97-05-02 01:42:55 EDT, you write:
<< Really-From: PNaunton@a...
The Collection (? I don't know this one) - 1
Collected Endings (? Idon't know this one either) - 1
Dream Music - (no mention if this was ONE or TWO) - 1 >>
THE COLLECTION: see my response to Greg
COLLECTED ENDINGS: Subtitled 'argonautica americana part three', this is a
Silver Rarities import. Track 1 recorded live U.S.A. 1976; Tracks 2 & 3
recorded live U.S.A 1988. It contains:
me-rad: the encore
ardem 'o' Part Two
ardem 'o' The Ending
(maybe this can't be considered a compilation?)
DREAM MUSIC: Subtitled 'The Movie Music Of Tangerine Dream' I don't know if
it is one or two...I assume ONE. I haven't seen a TWO, but will look for it.
This is a Silva release 1992 and contains:
Victory
The Hospital
The Letter
Theme From 'Dead Solid Perfect'
Taking Central Park
Suite From 'Dead Solid Perfect'
The Helicopter Attack
Clean And Sober
Hope this helps!
Graf
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 1:53
pm
Subject: WEIRD 9
Really-From: Michael A Jean
Jamestown, SOUTH DAKOTA: No laughing out loud while listening to a
country and western performer sing.
Hartford, CONNECTICUT: Citizen's are forbidden from sticking out a tongue
in the direction of a musician.
Kitchner, ONTARIO: Whsitling is against the law while a band is playing
before, after or during any sporting event.
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:09
pm
Subject: Re: DJ Shadow
Really-From: Vic Rek
At 10:37 AM 5/2/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
>Future Sound of London: I recently listened to parts of FSOL 'Lifeforms'.
>Could anybody tell me where that Aqua sample is supposed to appear?
>And: 7th track on CD2 in 'Lifeforms': The credit to a certain 'Schulze'
>must be Klaus, right?
>
Good observation Armin about the 'Schulze' mention. I posted this question
about 5 months ago and nobody replied. Since then I traded that double CD.
Can anyone confirm that it is 'Klaus Schulze' that is credited?
Vic
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 10:10
pm
Subject: Re: WEIRD 9
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> Really-From: Michael A Jean
> Jamestown, SOUTH DAKOTA: No laughing out loud while listening to a
> country and western performer sing.
That's not a law! It's an impossibility! I'm glad I don't
stay there.
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
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From:
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:09
pm
Subject: Re: Voiceprint
Really-From: Vic Rek
At 11:06 PM 5/1/97, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
>>A quick note : very busy rehearsing for EMMA.
>
>You at EMMA, John and Paul at Jodrell.. sheeeshh.... why don't you
>all get together for a mega Atlanta concert? I can guarantee several
>hundred of my personal friends would be there stomping and
>cheering.
>
>Well?
>
I'd be there. Why don't you have it at the Variety Playhouse in Little 5
Points?
Vic
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 10:07
pm
Subject: Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - -
Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
> COLLECTED ENDINGS: Subtitled 'argonautica americana part three', this is a
> Silver Rarities import. Track 1 recorded live U.S.A. 1976; Tracks 2 & 3
> recorded live U.S.A 1988. It contains:
> me-rad: the encore
> ardem 'o' Part Two
> ardem 'o' The Ending
> (maybe this can't be considered a compilation?)
I would say not, because it is really a boot, as is Ardem
'O' and Me-Rad (the first two in the series).
> DREAM MUSIC: Subtitled 'The Movie Music Of Tangerine Dream' I don't know if
> it is one or two...I assume ONE. I haven't seen a TWO, but will look for it.
Yeah, there is a 2, although I couldn't tell you what was
on it. I've only seen 2 lately. Is 1 still around (not that
I would buy it)?
---------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer
GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle)
E-mail : cordrey@m...
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:09
pm
Subject: Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - -
Really-From: Vic Rek
I don't see any mention of 'The Story of Tangerine Dream' 2-CD OR the
compilation 'Tangerine Dream' on the Disky label. I own both of these and
'The Brick', and I'll leave it at that.
Vic
>
>20 - People responded
>72 - 'votes' were cast
>14 - Different collections were mentioned
>List Member with the most compilations - Steven Feldman - 9
>
>Most frequent mention 'Beyond The Storm'
>
>Dream Sequence - 8
>In The Beginning - 3
>Beyond The Storm - 16
>Private Music Of . . .- 9
>Tangents - 12
>Dream Roots - 9
>70-80 - 4
>Book Of Dreams - 3
>The Collection (? I don't know this one) - 1
>Froese 74-79 - 3
>Collected Endings (? Idon't know this one either) - 1
>From Dusk'Til Dawn - 1
>Dream Music - (no mention if this was ONE or TWO) - 1
>Electronic Dreams - (Actually because of Yab Abruam I don't really think of
>this as a compilation, but sometimes you have to say, 'What the f##k!') - 1
>
> Many people mentioned The Brick but apparently no one owns it.
>
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:29
pm
Subject: Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - -
Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
> Collected Endings (? Idon't know this one either) - 1
A bootleg CD
> Dream Music - (no mention if this was ONE or TWO) - 1 >>
Rigth I forgot to mention it. there was a first CD and next Silva Screen
came out with another one: Dream Misic II.
Semi-official release in the sense that TD doesn't approved those
relases but Silva Screen had the copy rigths.... TD official release
list doesn't mention Silva Screeen CD's...
FSC
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:32
pm
Subject: The Brick
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>I own both of these and 'The Brick', and I'll leave it at that.
Okay, Vic, since you're the only person so far (that I know of) that has
actually admitted to owning 'The Brick,' can you tell us what the free poster
is?
Not about to buy those 5 albums again,
B. Kirby
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:04
pm
Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #907
Really-From: Remek Kocz
Hello,
I'm interested in going to the Athens concert on May 31st. Does anyone
have any ideas how to get the tickets in the US. I'll be in Athens by
May 30, so I suppose the tickets will be sold out by then.
rEmEk
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:08
pm
Subject: RE: WEIRD 9
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>Jamestown, SOUTH DAKOTA: No laughing out loud while listening to a
>country and western performer sing.
I'm surprised this law wasn't struck down, being so difficult to adhere
to. :-)
Scott
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:07
pm
Subject: Re: DJ Shadow
Really-From: Sean Montgomery
Hey, I made a posting on this a couple of months ago! No one responded at
the time. It's not just the guitar either...whole parts of the song are
obviously employed in this excellent track on a great album. It's too bad
that the Orb's remix of Towards the Evening Star wasn't this inventive.
> Good ears, Armin. I myself probably wouldn't have picked it out, but I had
the
> benefit of reading the liner notes. For once, TD is actually credited!
I read an interview with Josh Davis (a.k.a. D.J. Shadow) where he revealed
that he had to approach TD through 'a friend of theirs', who had to
convince them to give permission for the use of the sample. Edgar is
notoriously protective of having TD's music sampled, from what I've
read...so this is understandable. I wonder who that friend was, though?
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'Think Global - Act Loco!'
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:34
pm
Subject: Frequency of Playing
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 02:46 PM 5/1/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
>
>In fact, I've started to look upon my
>'frequency of playing' as a guide to which album I rate most
>highly at a particular time.
Well, in that case, I've been playing Poland almost non-stop for the past
month (and although I earnestly fight the urge, I just have to skip over
Barbakane when it comes around on the player) and interspersing it with
Stratosfear, Logos Set One (I made a CD copy of a 3rd generation of the
fantape--almost pointless but I can tolerate it!), Rubycon and Pergamon)
Actually, the only reason why I'm not playing Phaedra and Force Majeure is
because most my CD collection was *stolen* 2 months ago. Those are my next
two purchases... or maybe I'll get Oasis (I heard about 20 minutes of it
during the intermission of the Webcast---*I* think I'll like it).
Probably Tier Dream 1-3. $89? Might have to take out a small loan!
Also, Tuesday I did one of two things:
1. Ordered Quinoa
2. Gave away my credit card number for naught
I guess I won't find out until the disc/bill arives.
Morgan
feldon@n...
From:
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:40
pm
Subject: Re: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...)
Really-From: feldon@n...
Compilations that I have:
Tangents
Dream Roots Collection
Beyond the Storm
The Private Music of Tangerine Dream
Morgan
feldon@n...
From:
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:46
pm
Subject: Re: Poll On This!
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 04:44 PM 5/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
>
>A 30th anniversary CD of other people doing the music of TD. (could be
>interesting - need more input on this one).
I think I'm the only on on the list that likes this CD 'Tangerine Ambience'.
Find out if you can listen to it before you buy it (SoundWaves here in Texas
will let you) and judge for yourself. Personally, I think they're pretty
faithful reproductions, but most people on the list think the CD is complete
blasphemy.
>At any rate, it appears that Miramar is milking every nickel and dime that
>they can get out of their former association with TD - and I'm sure Edgar has
>no say in the matter
Yes. Don't worry about the Miramar compilation CDs. Nothing new as far as TD
is concert. Unless you call the Rockoon radio edit special!
Morgan
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:48
pm
Subject: Re: The Brick
Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>>I own both of these and 'The Brick', and I'll leave it at that.
>
>Okay, Vic, since you're the only person so far (that I know of) that has
>actually admitted to owning 'The Brick,' can you tell us what the free poster
>is?
>
>Not about to buy those 5 albums again,
>B. Kirby
>
I don't have it in front of me, but you have a choice of 2 or 3 as I recall
from 220 volt tour and some others. You have to send in a proof of purchase
though (and I don't have one). I said I have 'The Brick' - I didn't say how
I got it.
Vic
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:49
pm
Subject: Re: Phil's poll
Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p...
Okay, here's the compilations I have:
Comps I'm not displeased I own:
Private Music of..
Tangents
Dream Roots
Book of Dreams (a nice distillation of DR)
70/80 (unreleased stuff!)
Beyond the Storm (hate the album, but it's got unreleased stuff)
Collection (cuz I got it as a gift)
Crap I shouldn't have wasted my money on:
>From Dawn 'til Dusk
Story of TD
Comp I saw at a used store in Victoria, BC (of all places!) last year and
didn't buy and am now vigorously kicking myself in the head (physically
improbable as that may be) for:
Dream Sequence
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:47
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Subject: Re: WEIRD 9
Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
On May 2, 3:10pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Re: WEIRD 9
> Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>
>
> > Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
> > Jamestown, SOUTH DAKOTA: No laughing out loud while listening to a
> > country and western performer sing.
> That's not a law! It's an impossibility! I'm glad I don't
> stay there.
>
Think so, Craig? Imagine yourself keeping a straight face when someone signs
on of those (subset of a much longer list):
The Best of the Worst Country-Western Song Titles (These are *real*)
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Get Your Tongue Outta My Mouth 'Cause I'm Kissing You Goodbye
Drop Kick Me, Jesus, Through The Goalposts Of Life
Get Your Biscuits In The Oven And Your Buns In The Bed
How Can I Miss You If You Won't Go Away?
How Can You Believe Me When I Say I Love You When You Know
I've Been A Liar All My Life?
I Been Roped And Thrown By Jesus In The Holy Ghost Corral
I Changed Her Oil, She Changed My Life
I Don't Know Whether To Kill Myself Or Go Bowling
I Would Have Wrote You A Letter, But I Couldn't Spell Yuck!
Mama Get The Hammer (There's A Fly On Papa's Head)
My Head Hurts, My Feet Stink, And I Don't Love Jesus
You're The Reason Our Kids Are So Ugly
Now, aren't you REALLY glad you don't stay there?
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:52
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Subject: Tangerine Dream <-> Oxygene 10
Really-From: Alexander Bjelke
Hi,
Someone stated on the Jarre mailinglist awhile ago that ' Oxygene 10 is
very Tangerine Dream-like and therefore very good'. I really love
Oxygene 10 so if you can agree on that statemenet, which album should I
try??
Best regards
Alexander
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 3:59
pm
Subject: Re: Phil's Poll (was Re: QUINOA, etc...)
Really-From: feldon@n...
At 09:33 AM 5/2/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
>
><< Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>
> Which compilation is it where the whole thing is made in France, is only
> one disc, I believe has a computer generated image on the cover, and is a
> first generation CD, meaning it can with instructions upon how to correctly
> handle CD's. The complilation went as far up as '83 (I believe) and went as
> far back as Alpha Centauri.
>I think you may be referring to a 1987 Castle comp. called 'TANGERINE DREAM -
>THE COLLECTION'. It is from The Collector Series. It is a British import
>but was made in France and has the CD instructions (in multiple languages you
>described).
Now that you mention it, I *have* seen this disc and it does fit the
description you're giving!!! It is not very rare and could probably get it
if I went music store hopping.
Morgan
feldon@n...
From:
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 2:31
pm
Subject: Re: Tangram Remastered?
Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: TangerineC@a...
>
> I recently saw Tangram with the original red cover instead of the old purple
> one. Obviously it was rereleased. But has the music on the new Tangram been
> remastered?
Yes, they remastered it with 20 bit SBM technology ( 20 bits dithered
and noise-shaped to 16 bits)
FSC
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 9:16
pm
Subject: Re: CF's signature sound?
Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:39:53 -0700 tadream mailing list
wrote:
>> Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.'
>>
>> I've been a CF fan for no more than a year (I got to know him via
>> Babylon 5), and I'm kind of surprised/pleased by this 'signature
>> sound'. Pretty good idea, me thinks.
>>
>> I'd like to know one thing about this: when did he begin 'signing' like
>> this? I've heard the sound as far back as 'Logos' (alas, I don't have
>> most of the older albums). But was it a signature by that time, or he
>> decided later to use it as such?
The sound appears on 'Encore', but I'm not sure which track.
Dennis
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 9:15
pm
Subject: Re: A Few Rare Items to Share
Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:01:24 -0400 (EDT) tadream mailing list
wrote:
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>
>Well, I just got a few TD and related goodies in. I thought I'd share a few
>of them with ya'll (Southern for you all - everybody).
>
>T. Dream - Lily on the Beach LP mispressing without 'Long Island Sunset'
So that's a rarity then, is it? I can't believe I bought one of those
'mispressings' when Lily first came out. I was so annoyed! But I was under
the impression that Long Island Sunset was missing on all the LPs.
Therefore I didn't even try to get a refund from the shop.
Strange.
Dennis
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:28
pm
Subject: tangerine ambience
Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
>Really-From: feldon@n...
>
>I think I'm the only on on the list that likes this CD 'Tangerine Ambience'.
No, I'm with you. Of course, if I want to listen to, say, 'Exit', I
listen to Tangerine Dream's Exit and not to the Ambience. But I like the
idea to cover (it is a lot of fun to cover), and I think they did it
well and had fun with it.
armin
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:30
pm
Subject: Posters
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
I'm looking for any Tangerine Dream posters, old and new. Please send the
reply to this mailing list or e-mail me at TangerineC@a... Thanks
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:35
pm
Subject: Re: DJ Shadow
Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>
> At 10:37 AM 5/2/97 +0100, you wrote:
> >Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
>
> >Future Sound of London: I recently listened to parts of FSOL
'Lifeforms'.
> >Could anybody tell me where that Aqua sample is supposed to appear?
> >And: 7th track on CD2 in 'Lifeforms': The credit to a certain 'Schulze'
> >must be Klaus, right?
> >
> Good observation Armin about the 'Schulze' mention. I posted this
question
> about 5 months ago and nobody replied. Since then I traded that double
CD.
> Can anyone confirm that it is 'Klaus Schulze' that is credited?
Yes, it's Klaus Schulze being credited along with Robert Fripp.
I like this 2CD, Lifeforms, alot. To me this is what TD and Kraftwerk
sounded like when they kept on producing good music.
As for the Aqua-question, it starts in track 5 at 0:30 most notible at 1:25
throughout the whole track even in track 6.
As for the Schulze-samples in track 8 it is from Royal Festival Hall.
Marcel
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:42
pm
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream <-> Oxygene 10
Really-From: Claude Roy
At 17:52 97-05-02 +0200, you wrote:
>Really-From: Alexander Bjelke
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Someone stated on the Jarre mailinglist awhile ago that ' Oxygene 10 is
>very Tangerine Dream-like and therefore very good'. I really love
>Oxygene 10 so if you can agree on that statemenet, which album should I
>try??
>
>Best regards
>Alexander
Ouf Alexander, That a tough one to compare Oxygene 10 with TD but while
listening
to it, maybe some sound like Miracle Mile Td 1989 soundtrack (the more
rythms tracks)
If you like oxyg10, you should like 220 Volts live maybe from 1992.
As I listen to Jarre, oxyg11 as some more ambient TD sound, like on Rubycon
(Rubycon is
a lot smoother too for your information, a lot of `70 sounds.)
Is there some TD fan who have other opinions about comparing TD to the new
Jarre album??
>
>
___________________________________________________________
Claude Roy,
Longueuil
P.Q. Canada
e-mail:
e-mail:
(site génie civil)
(site cinema)
____________________________________________________________
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 5:15
pm
Subject: Re: tickets for Athens
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>I'm interested in going to the Athens concert on May 31st. Does anyone
>have any ideas how to get the tickets in the US. I'll be in Athens by
>May 30, so I suppose the tickets will be sold out by then.
I asked my sister-in-law, who is a travel agent, and she said she can
get them no problem, as long as they're available (i.e. not sold out).
So check with your travel agent.
Scott
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 5:28
pm
Subject: TD in the R&R HoF
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
There was an article in a local paper yesterday about how one gets
nominated for induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Basically, a
group of 'rock historians' nominates and decides on artists based on
their influence on the development of R&R. They then vote on the
nominees, and thos that receive a majority of 'yes' votes are in.
Therefore, it seems to me that getting TD at least nominated for
induction might be as simple as presenting a petition signed by TD fans
worldwide. I'd be willing to draw up a petition and organize the whole
thing. I propse we do two things: first, circulate a petition among the
list members via mail, hopefully to as many listees as possible, in as
many countries as possible. Second, since TD appear to be planning more
concerts in the near future, standing outside the venue of said concerts
collecting signatures would be good, too. Of course, I have neither the
money nor the time to travel to every TD concert for the next year (much
as I'd like to!), so we'd need dedicated list members who are going to
future concerts to volunteer to gather signatures at the shows.
Of course, this depends on whether people think TD belongs in the Hall
of Fame. . .
Anyone with me?
Scott
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 6:01
pm
Subject: Re: TD in the R&R HoF
Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
On May 2, 1:28pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: TD in the R&R HoF
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
(...)
>
> Of course, this depends on whether people think TD belongs in the Hall
> of Fame. . .
Is that supposed to be a question?
>
> Anyone with me?
I believe that, between Claude Roy, Gabe Yedid and myself, you already got
Montreal covered.
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 6:14
pm
Subject: Re: Poll
Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
Here is what I have:
The Collection
Tangents
Dream Roots Collection (the BRICK)
Private Music of TD
Beyond the Storm
Edgar Froese: Solo 74-79
Dream Music I
Collected Endings is a BOOTLEG.It was recorded LIVE in 1976 and 1988 in the USA.
If anyone is interested in this contact me off-list with what you have for
trade.
I believe I can get 2 copies of it.
Robert HGHLNDR@w...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 6:42
pm
Subject: Re: 'A 30th Anniversary CD . . .'?
Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
In a message dated 97-05-01 22:08:16 EDT, you write:
<< A 30th anniversary CD of other people doing the music of TD. (could be
>interesting - need more input on this one).
If this isn't TANGERINE AMBIENCE, then you've discovered something
new! >>
Well folks...I decided I'd better go back and give these things a 'second
glance' after all. Yes, this was TANGERINE AMBIENCE. Still didn't buy it
though.
Also, the 5CD box of Grammy Winners is this 'BRICK' thing you've all been
talking about. Didn't buy that, either.
AH! 'I see...........' said the blind man.
However, I did buy the TANGENTS box set and am listening to it now!!!! I'm
looking for the Oasis CD, but can't find it. The video is on it's way in
the mail. As is my Quinoa (I trust). Thanks to all for pointing me in the
right direction for these babies!!!
Graf
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 7:00
pm
Subject: Re: WEIRD 9
Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
In a message dated 97-05-02 10:05:57 EDT, you write:
<< Really-From: Michael A Jean
Jamestown, SOUTH DAKOTA: No laughing out loud while listening to a
country and western performer sing.
[sorry, but I MUST!!!]
Hartford, CONNECTICUT: Citizen's are forbidden from sticking out a tongue
in the direction of a musician.
[does this include KISS????]
Kitchner, ONTARIO: Whsitling is against the law while a band is playing
before, after or during any sporting event.
>>
[how about the SPICE GIRLS???]
PLEASE DON'T BURN ME!
Graf
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 7:08
pm
Subject: Screaming fans!
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi all,
>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
>You at EMMA, John (AirSculpture) and Paul (Nagle) at Jodrell..
>sheeeshh.... why >don't you all get together for a mega Atlanta concert? I
>can guarantee several
>hundred of my personal friends would be there stomping and
>cheering.
>
>Well?
John, Paul, are you up for it? We're game for a laugh! :)
Cheers
David
email : dhughes@g...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 7:12
pm
Subject: Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - -
Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
In a message dated 97-05-02 10:18:07 EDT, you write:
<< Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> Really-From: GrafZeigen@a...
> COLLECTED ENDINGS: Subtitled 'argonautica americana part three', this is
a
> Silver Rarities import. Track 1 recorded live U.S.A. 1976; Tracks 2 & 3
> recorded live U.S.A 1988. It contains:
> me-rad: the encore
> ardem 'o' Part Two
> ardem 'o' The Ending
> (maybe this can't be considered a compilation?)
I would say not, because it is really a boot, as is Ardem
'O' and Me-Rad (the first two in the series).
> DREAM MUSIC: Subtitled 'The Movie Music Of Tangerine Dream' I don't know
if
> it is one or two...I assume ONE. I haven't seen a TWO, but will look for
it.
Yeah, there is a 2, although I couldn't tell you what was
on it. I've only seen 2 lately. Is 1 still around (not that
I would buy it)?
>>
Yes, I think I agree. I didn't realize this was a boot...I may banish it
from my collection. (It sucks anyway). And as for the other...I didn't say I
was PROUD of owning any of these....I guess I'm one of those 'anal collector'
types!!
Graf
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:29
pm
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream <-> Oxygene 10
Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Alexander Bjelke
>
> Hi,
>
> Someone stated on the Jarre mailinglist awhile ago that ' Oxygene 10 is
> very Tangerine Dream-like and therefore very good'. I really love
> Oxygene 10 so if you can agree on that statemenet, which album should I
> try??
You'll receive many answers but Poland is the one it comes to my mind
first; also, stratosfear, Force Majeure and Ricochet. I reccomend you
try tangram too.
---FSC
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 8:28
pm
Subject: New email address
Really-From: SYensen@a...
To all dreamers everywhere,
I am moving to the 'Internet in Nottingham' very soon.
My address will be: syensen@i...
Hopefully, when I've figured out the intricacies of TCP/IP and other boring
things, I will be able to re-join the TD news group.
Steve.
Nottingham UK.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 9:04
pm
Subject: beans, tangents and silva screen cds
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
a few randon notes on yesterday's digest:
>And, what, the devil, is a bean snapper?
As someone has said, a bean snapper is like a sling shot...
-------------------------
>Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
>> Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
>> Tangents : a must have, even if the new material is only
>> so-so.
>I disagree. I think Crazie Eddie butchered the old stuff.
-- I don't want to offend but personally I think that 'butchered' this is a
narrow-minded point of view. But then this is the thermonuclear flamewar
into which we on this list must descend at least every 12 weeks, right
Steve? ...
------------------------------------
>Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
>For those of you concerned about not finding any of the silva >CD's by TD
>(Shy People, Dead Solid Perfect, Park Is Mine, Dream Music 1 & >2) Ford
>Thaxton assured me that they will be around for a while.
-- Excuse my ignorance but who, pray tell, is Ford Thaxton? and what is his
source of information? What I posted about these CDs is that some ** have
already gone out of print ** based on direct discussions with staff (and
the computer) at Tower, HMV and Virgin. Now maybe there are plenty lying
around in boxes in some_one's_ mail-order warehouse but, Dano, the truth of
the matter is you just can't find these CDs so easily; the major stores in
the US and UK can't order most of them anymore (because they are out of
print) and most are not even available 'on the street' in the US. I looked
(and asked at the stores) for years for SP, DSP, DC, before finding them in
London. Will they be around for awhile? Perhaps at some mail-order house.
Will they be accessible? Only to those who know. Most of them haven't
been accessible in the US for years anyway -- if ever! Perhaps I am wrong,
but I think you are giving people a false sense of security about these
things... The intent of my original message was to give people fair
warning to buy these items while they can. How many of us have kicked
ourselves because we didn't buy something when we could have only to find
out later that we have to pay much money and spend much more time finding
it years later?
Lars
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 4:18
pm
Subject: Re: Voiceprint
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 10:09 AM 5/2/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>
>At 11:06 PM 5/1/97, you wrote:
>>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>>
>>>A quick note : very busy rehearsing for EMMA.
>>
>>You at EMMA, John and Paul at Jodrell.. sheeeshh.... why don't you
>>all get together for a mega Atlanta concert? I can guarantee several
>>hundred of my personal friends would be there stomping and
>>cheering.
>>
>>Well?
>>
> I'd be there. Why don't you have it at the Variety Playhouse in Little 5
>Points?
>
>Vic
That would do it. Although I am from Birmingham.... where all we
could accommodate is about 45,000 spectators, like we did
with Pink Floyd. Santana brought only a few thousand to the
Amphiteatre.
TD snubs us, JMJ snubs us...how about it gentlemen? Make it an
American EMMA for a change. All those Germans, Dutch, Belgians,
French, British, Czechs, Hungarians, etc.etc. need to visit America
anyway! :-)
Andrew
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59
pm
Subject: Re: Poll
Really-From: jhsa@c... (Janne Salmijärvi)
In Email quoth tadream (tadream@c...):
> Better late than never...
Right.
The Collection (double vinyl, the one with stuff from first 4 albums & White
Clouds from Green Desert), Tangents, Dream Roots & Beyond The Storm.
-jhsa
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 11:17
pm
Subject: Re: Poll On This! / Tangerine Ambience
Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Really-From: feldon@n...
> I think I'm the only on on the list that likes this CD 'Tangerine
Ambience'.
No, you are not alone !
IMO the Invisible lights remix is much better than the original.
Phaedra, Exit and Horizon (Augenstern) are 'must have'.
Jens
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Fri May 2, 1997 11:56
pm
Subject: Re: beans, tangents and silva screen cds
Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
> a few randon notes on yesterday's digest:
> >And, what, the devil, is a bean snapper?
> As someone has said, a bean snapper is like a sling shot...
>
> -------------------------
> >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton'
> >> Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey'
> >> Tangents : a must have, even if the new material is only
> >> so-so.
> >I disagree. I think Crazie Eddie butchered the old stuff.
> -- I don't want to offend but personally I think that 'butchered' this is a
> narrow-minded point of view. But then this is the thermonuclear flamewar
> into which we on this list must descend at least every 12 weeks, right
> Steve? ...
>
> ------------------------------------
> >Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
> >For those of you concerned about not finding any of the silva >CD's by TD
> >(Shy People, Dead Solid Perfect, Park Is Mine, Dream Music 1 & >2) Ford
> >Thaxton assured me that they will be around for a while.
> -- Excuse my ignorance but who, pray tell, is Ford Thaxton? and what is his
> source of information? What I posted about these CDs is that some ** have
> already gone out of print ** based on direct discussions with staff (and
> the computer) at Tower, HMV and Virgin. Now maybe there are plenty lying
> around in boxes in some_one's_ mail-order warehouse but, Dano, the truth of
> the matter is you just can't find these CDs so easily; the major stores in
> the US and UK can't order most of them anymore (because they are out of
> print) and most are not even available 'on the street' in the US. I looked
> (and asked at the stores) for years for SP, DSP, DC, before finding them in
> London. Will they be around for awhile? Perhaps at some mail-order house.
> Will they be accessible? Only to those who know. Most of them haven't
> been accessible in the US for years anyway -- if ever! Perhaps I am wrong,
> but I think you are giving people a false sense of security about these
> things... The intent of my original message was to give people fair
> warning to buy these items while they can. How many of us have kicked
> ourselves because we didn't buy something when we could have only to find
> out later that we have to pay much money and spend much more time finding
> it years later?
>
> Lars
Well, first off, Ford Thaxton is a CD (soundtrack) producer. Open your
Silva TD CD's and you will see his name. If anyone would know about the
Silva CD's, it'd be him. How am I giving anyone a false sense of
security? Why would you assume that I'm talking out of my $%^? I work
with a reputable CD producer as well (Super Tracks, which produced Night
Of The Running Man, as well as several other soundtracks). I just thought
I would help the NG by spreading information that most of you do not have
access to. How better to get info than from the producers of the CD's
themselves. So, now you know who Ford is, now you know you were wrong.
Cheers,
Dano
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat May 3, 1997 3:32
pm
Subject: Re: Screaming fans!
Really-From: Paul Nagle
On Fri, 2 May 1997 20:08:42 +0100, tadream@c... (tadream mailing
list) wrote:
>>Well?
>John, Paul, are you up for it? We're game for a laugh! :)
I'm up for anything. Either I'm at a funny age or it's my hormones.
What we talking about?
8-)
Paul
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
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Paul Nagle - paul@s...
www.softroom.demon.co.uk
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat May 3, 1997 8:43
am
Subject: Re: beans, tangents and silva screen cds
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
>
> > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
> > ...
> > -- Excuse my ignorance but who, pray tell, is Ford Thaxton? and
> > what is his source of information? What I posted about these CDs
> > is that some ** have already gone out of print ** based on direct
> > discussions with staff (and the computer) at Tower, HMV and Virgin.
I concur with what Lars says and have had such personal experiences with
store personnel and distributors also.
> Well, first off, Ford Thaxton is a CD (soundtrack) producer. ...
Your boss?
> ... So, now you know who Ford is, now you know you were wrong.
How was Lars wrong, Dano? -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat May 3, 1997 8:06
am
Subject: FSOL 'Lifeforms' and TD, KS
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
> At 10:37 AM 5/2/97 +0100, you wrote:
> >Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
> > ...
> > And: 7th track on CD2 in 'Lifeforms': The credit to a certain
> > 'Schulze' must be Klaus, right?
>
> Good observation Armin about the 'Schulze' mention. I posted this
> question about 5 months ago and nobody replied. Since then I traded
> that double CD. Can anyone confirm that it is 'Klaus Schulze' that
> is credited?
I think FSOL sampled everything on the planet except possibly my urine
(not sure) for 'Lifeforms.' Is 'Schulze' Klaus Schulze? Who else?
I've heard that TD samples are throughout 'Lifeforms' but you can't
recognize them.
Cheers -- Mark
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat May 3, 1997 3:50
pm
Subject: Re: CF's signature sound?
Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
On Fri, 2 May 1997 17:16:15 -0400 (EDT) tadream mailing list
wrote:
>Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
>
>
>On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:39:53 -0700 tadream mailing list
> wrote:
>
>>> Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.'
>>>
>>> I've been a CF fan for no more than a year (I got to know him via
>>> Babylon 5), and I'm kind of surprised/pleased by this 'signature
>>> sound'. Pretty good idea, me thinks.
>>>
>>> I'd like to know one thing about this: when did he begin 'signing' like
>>> this? I've heard the sound as far back as 'Logos' (alas, I don't have
>>> most of the older albums). But was it a signature by that time, or he
>>> decided later to use it as such?
>
>The sound appears on 'Encore', but I'm not sure which track.
>
>Dennis
I've found it, it's on 'Monolight', just after a somewhat 'blurred' ambient
passage, and just before the drums set in.
Dennis
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat May 3, 1997 8:23
pm
Subject: TD related Quiz from Cue Records
Really-From: ajogon@m...
Cue Records NL started a new Quiz, this time with a few questions about
Chris Franke. I think the answers are very easy to any TD fan, so guys
if you want to be a candidate to a free CD, go to
http://mcs.nl/cue/cue_quiz.html
And also look for the name of last Quiz winner. Perhaps you'd like to
congratulate him ;-)
Antonio 'Lucky' Nunes
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat May 3, 1997 8:10
pm
Subject: Re: CF's signature sound?
Really-From: ajogon@m...
Dennis Nigbur wrote:
>The sound appears on 'Encore', but I'm not sure which track.
It's on Monolight at 3'12'. And CF also didn't forget to 'sign' his
recent Babylon 5 Vol.2. You can hear that 'funny' sound on track 2
(Messages from Earth) at 8'59'.
Antonio Nunes
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Date: Sat May 3, 1997 9:39
am
Subject: Re: Screaming fans!
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 08:32 AM 5/3/97 GMT, you wrote:
>Really-From: Paul Nagle
>
>
>On Fri, 2 May 1997 20:08:42 +0100, tadream@c... (tadream mailing
>list) wrote:
>
>>>Well?
>>John, Paul, are you up for it? We're game for a laugh! :)
>I'm up for anything. Either I'm at a funny age or it's my hormones.
>What we talking about?
>8-)
>Paul
About organizing a monster MEGA e-music concert (a la EMMA) in
America, forgoodnessakes, Paul! Take your head out of the
Theremin and come up for air from time to time. :-) :-) Your adoring
fans are clamoring for your attention and you are neglecting them.
Sheeeshhh.... :-) :-) (I am being funny, yes?).
Andrew
P.S. Anyone who has never heard Clara Rockmore play Rachmaninov's
'Vocalise' doesn't know diddly about e-music!
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Paul Nagle - paul@s...
> www.softroom.demon.co.uk
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>
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Date: Sat May 3, 1997 4:11
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Subject: RE: Voiceprint
Really-From: Jim Moore
>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>>Really-From: Vic Rek
>>>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>>>You at EMMA, John and Paul at Jodrell.. sheeeshh.... why don't you
>>>all get together for a mega Atlanta concert? I can guarantee several
>>>hundred of my personal friends would be there stomping and
>>>cheering.
>> I'd be there. Why don't you have it at the Variety Playhouse in Little 5
>>Points?
>That would do it. Although I am from Birmingham.... where all we
>could accommodate is about 45,000 spectators, like we did
>with Pink Floyd. Santana brought only a few thousand to the
>Amphiteatre.
Here's my idea for us snubbed Southerners (actually I'm from
Illinois, but I've lived here almost 10 years... 13 if you count
my time in Dallas, TX): TD gives an outdoor performance
at Stone Mountain in front of the carving. The lasershow
equipment is already there; I believe sound system hookups
are a cinch as well. All they would need are chairs. Does anyone
else who's been to SM agree?
Second choice: TD at the FOX!
'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown
jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia
--------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------
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Date: Sat May 3, 1997 4:25
pm
Subject: RE: FSOL 'Lifeforms' and TD, KS
Really-From: Jim Moore
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
>I think FSOL sampled everything on the planet except possibly my urine
>(not sure) for 'Lifeforms.' Is 'Schulze' Klaus Schulze? Who else?
>
>I've heard that TD samples are throughout 'Lifeforms' but you can't
>recognize them.
I no longer have this CD (for some reason it annoyed the hell out of me),
but in one song there is a blatent grab from Canyon Dreams. Not a
quick sound sample, but the melody.
'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown
jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia
--------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------
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Date: Sat May 3, 1997 4:52
pm
Subject: Re: beans, tangents and silva screen cds
Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
> > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
> >
> > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
> > > ...
> > > -- Excuse my ignorance but who, pray tell, is Ford Thaxton? and
> > > what is his source of information? What I posted about these CDs
> > > is that some ** have already gone out of print ** based on direct
> > > discussions with staff (and the computer) at Tower, HMV and Virgin.
>
> I concur with what Lars says and have had such personal experiences with
> store personnel and distributors also.
>
> > Well, first off, Ford Thaxton is a CD (soundtrack) producer. ...
>
> Your boss?
No, not my boss. He has worked with us (SuperTracksInternational) on
several occasions (And I consider him a friend).
>
> > ... So, now you know who Ford is, now you know you were wrong.
>
> How was Lars wrong, Dano? -- Mark
Lars stated:
Perhaps I am wrong,
> but I think you are giving people a false sense of security about these
> things...
That's what he was wrong about. I am not giving people a false sense of
anything. I'm merely stating the facts as Ford has relayed them to me.
That's all.
regards,
Dan
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Date: Sat May 3, 1997 12:42
pm
Subject: Phil's Poll
Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT)
I've always been a believer that 'if you're gonna collect, COLLECT !
I have :
Dream Sequence
TD - The Collection
Dawn 'til Dusk
Private Music of TD
TD - collection - Three CD's on gold disks ( does this constitute a
compilation ? )
TD - Collectors Edition - Three CD's
The Story of TD - two disk set
Atmospherics
Book of Dreams
Promo disk for Tangents
Tangents
Dream Roots Collection
Tangerine Dream - an import from Holland, 6 tracks on Disky
Solo - EF
The Brick - if you're gonna collect, COLLECT !
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Date: Sat May 3, 1997 5:36
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Subject: Re: Phil's Poll
Really-From: sgrace@i... (Steve Grace)
I have The Collection, Dream Sequence, Tangents, and Beyond the Storm.
Steve
--------------------------------------
Steve Grace
Home Page: http://www.ioc.net/~sgrace/
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Date: Sat May 3, 1997 5:40
pm
Subject: RE: Voiceprint
Really-From: Vic Rek
At 12:11 PM 5/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: Jim Moore
>>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>>>Really-From: Vic Rek
>>>>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>>>>You at EMMA, John and Paul at Jodrell.. sheeeshh.... why don't you
>>>>all get together for a mega Atlanta concert? I can guarantee several
>>>>hundred of my personal friends would be there stomping and
>>>>cheering.
>>> I'd be there. Why don't you have it at the Variety Playhouse in Little 5
>>>Points?
>>That would do it. Although I am from Birmingham.... where all we
>>could accommodate is about 45,000 spectators, like we did
>>with Pink Floyd. Santana brought only a few thousand to the
>>Amphiteatre.
>
>Here's my idea for us snubbed Southerners (actually I'm from
>Illinois, but I've lived here almost 10 years... 13 if you count
>my time in Dallas, TX): TD gives an outdoor performance
>at Stone Mountain in front of the carving. The lasershow
>equipment is already there; I believe sound system hookups
>are a cinch as well. All they would need are chairs. Does anyone
>else who's been to SM agree?
Great idea (for the lasers in place), but too many red necks would wander in
wondering what the hell was going on?
>
>Second choice: TD at the FOX!
>
Great choice! Close to all the great bars in Buckhead!!
Vic
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 2:00
am
Subject: Re: Screaming fans!
Really-From: Paul Nagle
On Sat, 03 May 1997 09:39:10, tadream@c... (tadream mailing
list) wrote:
>About organizing a monster MEGA e-music concert (a la EMMA) in
>America, forgoodnessakes, Paul! Take your head out of the
>Theremin and come up for air from time to time. :-) :-) Your adoring
>fans
(what - both of them?)
>are clamoring for your attention and you are neglecting them.
>Sheeeshhh.... :-) :-) (I am being funny, yes?).
Sorry - I've been unknowingly unsubscribed for a week or so.....
As for an EMMA concert - I don't think they'd allow me to play.....
not sure why.....I've tried to get on the bill for the last four years
with no success....
8-(
Paul
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www.softroom.demon.co.uk
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Subject: Re: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND ( What version ?)
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
I have the 1 cd version of the remastered Poland. It sounds beautiful!!!
Better than the Relativity release. I do miss those 5 minutes though. The
opening minutes of the first track (after the introduction), are so
thunderous, it feels as if they are actually playing it in my room. I highly
recomend it. If you have the 2 cd release,keep it for those cut 5 minutes,
but i highly recomend the Castle release.
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Date: Fri May 2, 1997 9:04
pm
Subject: phil's poll again
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
OK Phil
You want me to be more specific for your poll? Here, count on this sport
:-)
Dream Sequence - CD & vinyl
In The Beginning - vinyl (the original limited edition box set not the
cheesy Jive reissue, number 486/5000)
Beyond The Storm - CD
Private Music Of - CD & vinyl
Tangents - CD
Dream Roots - CD + one used copy to sell, anyone interested?
70-80 - vinyl (but would like it on CDR, hint hint)
Book Of Dreams - CD
The Collection - CD & vinyl
Froese 74-79 - vinyl
Collected Endings -- this is NOT a comp, it is a concert BOOT! please
remove it from your poll!
From Dusk'Til Dawn - CD
Dream Music - CD
Electronic Dreams - vinyl
Story of Tangerine Dream -- CD
The Brick -- not yet but soon
(I still think/know we are forgetting something here...)
Then there are these private/pirate comps that you should also count but
since I don't own any boots or pirates, I don't have these ;-)
70/90
Soundtrax
Songs and Singles
Rare Trax 1
Rare Trax 2
Mystery Tracks 1
Mystery Tracks 2 / Sol et Luna
(there must be more of these?)
and before someone says it: sorry, 'V' and 'Ossiach Live' are samplers
which include TD not comps; mea culpa. Maybe we need a separate list of
those also?? (no, not mea culpas, samplers)
crazy lars
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Date: Sat May 3, 1997 9:33
pm
Subject: Re: Tangram Remastered?
Really-From: Robrann@a...
Yes - Sounds great !
From:
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Date: Sat May 3, 1997 7:17
pm
Subject: help
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
HELP PLEASE
I didn't receive any mail today--not even the digest!! Is it cs.uwp.edu or
is it this fucking compuserve?! Can someone please send me Saturday's
digest #908?? Thanks. And can someone please send me a test message?
Lars
(yes I will do a 'who' -- but it is more than that!)
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Date: Sat May 3, 1997 9:41
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Subject: Re: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND ( What version ?)
Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: TangerineC@a...
>
> I have the 1 cd version of the remastered Poland. It sounds beautiful!!!
(...)
> recomend it. If you have the 2 cd release,keep it for those cut 5 minutes,
> but i highly recomend the Castle release.
Wellcome to the club, I had the former 1 CD version and I was thinking
of buying the 2-CD version. Well, after hearng the new master sound I
forgot about hose 5 minutes and bougth it. I rcommend to buy it istead
of the 2-CD version, which is an old master.
I agree the begining is fabulous, full of thunder, it sakes your
intestines like hell.
---FSC
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Date: Sat May 3, 1997 10:03
pm
Subject: Re: Cd's on order
Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Kim Pedersen
>
> Could anyone review these cd's i have ordered from Ranjit:
> 1) Burkhardt, M/Schmoelling, J - (Der) Zaubergeiger ... [Ger./CD] $ 21.95
I don't have it
> 2) Froese, Edgar - Kamikaze 1989 [USA/CD] ........................ $ 14.95
I like it, but not the bset of Edgar.
> 3) Tangerine Dream - 20th Century Serenades [Germany/CD] ......... $ 24.95
01.08.87 Berlin Reichstag Part II '20th Century Serenades'
Not so good. Antarktis is much better. Bad Tangram version. Only good in
the abstract sound moments. very thin audio.
(01.08.87 Berlin Reichstag Part I + 3 tr.Bristol 6.11.90 'Antarktis' )
> 4) Tangerine Dream - Ardem 'O' [Germany/CD] ...................... $ 24.95
29.08.88 Columbus 'Live in the USA 1988 Part I - Ardem-O'
Very good sound quality. from a fan tape. Someone I don't remember told
here that the fan tape was better.
> 5) Tangerine Dream - Coefficient Of Aural Expansion [Europe/CD] .. $ 39.95
Live from The Royal Alber Hall, London, april, 2, 1975
Very good sound recording.
> 6) T D - Coefficient Of Aural Expansion Part 2 [Europe/LtdEdCD-R] $ 39.95
I don't have it... I suppose it's same sound quality but...
> 7) Tangerine Dream - Collected Endings [Germany/CD] .............. $ 24.95
( Me-rad encore, Ardem-o part two, Ardem-o Ending)
Very good. except in Ardem-o Ending where there is a lot of left side
severe dropouts ( one of it more then 1 minut long)
> 8) Tangerine Dream - Rockoon [USA/SplEdCD-single] ................ $ 9.95
Official release, single. I dont have it, although I suppose this theme
is
contained in the long play CD.
> 9) Tangerine Dream - Shepherd's Bush [UK/LtdEd2TrkCD] ............ $ 18.95
I don't have it. Dont buy it, look instead for Persistence of Vision, a
anti-bootleg distribution of that concert plus 4 extra unreleased
tracks. total time 186 min
No charge, only trade.
> 10) Tangerine Dream - Sol Et Luna (Mystery Tracks II) [Germany/CD] $ 24.95
I don't have it
> 11) Tangerine Dream - 3 Tier Dream [UK/3CD] ...................... $ 89.95
Very good triple CD. Good sound quality in all the tree CD's
> 12) Tangerine Dream - 3 Tier Dream On! [UK/CD] ................... $ 22.95
Good too.
Well, since maybe there are some others here willing to know about this
I'll posted
here.
---FSC
From:
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Date: Sat May 3, 1997 10:28
pm
Subject: Re: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND ( What version ?)
Really-From: Cloudless3@a...
unsubscribe tadream
From:
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Date: Sat May 3, 1997 9:28
am
Subject: Oasis
Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
>So, Hilmar, you really believe this is the way forward? I
>think this has more in common with Rockoon that Goblin's
>Club, perhaps because, as far as I'm concerned, most of the
>tracks must have been written and even recorded around that
>time.
Craig,
so I guess you wanna pick a fight? :-)
Actually, I can see a lot of your points. I even agree: Surely this album
is not a gigantic leap into a bold new direction... in fact it might indeed
be a step backward from a certain point of view. But at the same time it is
a step forward from another point of view (I'll explain below). At any
rate, I believe Oasis is very different from Goblins as well as Rockoon.
And I still believe it is more different from those 2 albums than they are
different from each other. Which was the point of the discussion we had:
that after a chain of albums of 'sameness' here comes something different.
Now, about Oasis. I'm afraid the main 'big difference' is one that can only
be described from a personal point of view, but it seems some others on the
list feel the same way: Personally, this is the first TD album in many many
years that satisfies me on all musical levels. In fact, Oasis is the one
album to finally unite in one release all those elements I like about TD
while at the same time avoiding those things that have begun to annoy me
with many of the recent releases. To me, that is the step forward I was
describing...nothing more, nothing less.
- it has the overall mood of Canyon Dreams, but sounds much more 90's and
up to date, so it is much more than just a 'Canyon Dreams II'
- it uses some of those great samples that we get to hear on Goblins Club
- it uses sequencers much more in the 'seventies' way, creating a more
flowing sound
- most importantly: stays in a single mood in one track (unlike Goblins
Club which sometimes crams 4 songs into one)
- has the 'Dream Mixes' signature, with the 'dance' aspect less pronounced
and the 'trance' aspect still existing. What I mean is: Dream Mixes was
such a great album, and this is sort of a 'Dream Mixes' slowed-down.
- avoids the many overly-used preset sounds that were so typical of Rockoon
and the albums following it.
- no sax!
I don't know how this album can remind you more of Rockoon, especially when
there is no guitar. And I absolutely don't think they could have recorded
this in 1992. Composition of some ideas, maybe. But the way it is executed
here, it is obvious that they were building on ideas created over the last
2 or 3 years.
About the backwards factor: Like I said, it is there. But I think they may
have rather taken one step down from their 'tower' of music in order to
build a new, different floor. Sometimes that is necessary: Maybe it was
impossible to build another level past Goblins, so they had to go one step
back to go another step forward.
Have a listen to Oxygene 7-13. Definitely a step back for JMJarre to more
traditional composing styles of the seventies, but with nineties sounds,
techno influence, digital instruments etc. Out came what is probably the
best Jarre album in 10 years. My point: maybe it is impossible to really
'step back'. There is no direction on the compass of music that corresponds
to true 180 degrees.
To sum up: Oasis may indeed not be a huge step into a new direction, but is
gives me hope for the first time that TD might finally be 'on to something'
Hilmar
PS: What exactly is so bad about Track 6 that makes you almost want to
throw up?
NP: Dream Command - Fire On The Moon (Comsat Angels)
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From:
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Date: Sat May 3, 1997 6:15
pm
Subject: Re: Screaming fans!
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 07:00 PM 5/3/97 GMT, you wrote:
>Really-From: Paul Nagle
>
>
>On Sat, 03 May 1997 09:39:10, tadream@c... (tadream mailing
>list) wrote:
>>About organizing a monster MEGA e-music concert (a la EMMA) in
>>America, forgoodnessakes, Paul! Take your head out of the
>>Theremin and come up for air from time to time. :-) :-) Your adoring
>>fans
>(what - both of them?)
>>are clamoring for your attention and you are neglecting them.
>>Sheeeshhh.... :-) :-) (I am being funny, yes?).
>Sorry - I've been unknowingly unsubscribed for a week or so.....
>
>As for an EMMA concert - I don't think they'd allow me to play.....
>not sure why.....I've tried to get on the bill for the last four years
>with no success....
>8-(
>Paul
Seriously, now....this I don't understand, you all seem to be
very compatible musically.
Andrew
From:
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Date: Sat May 3, 1997 11:52
pm
Subject: Re: JMJ
Really-From: Mark Jones
Can anyone suggest a TD tune that we would want 7 different mixes of????
>
Mixes? Not any offhand. I had a mixed reaction (oog, sorry) to the Dream
Mixes. I loved the original material, and was kind of 'ehhh ... ' on the
remixes of previously-released material. That's me, though. I would be
interested to see variations and explorations of Museum Walk, The Big
Sleep in Search of Hades, and Sequent C'.
-- Mark J.
From:
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Date: Sun May 4, 1997 3:26
am
Subject: CD reviews
Really-From: AslanFan1@a...
I can't send reviews each week, so I'm throwing a few together here. Hope
nobody minds.
RUMPELSTILTSKIN ***
This appears to be nothing more than background noise at first, but in
further listenings, I enjoyed the origianl music. The tracks are very
mellow--nearly no percussion at all. It's very moody with a fair amount of
solo piano stuff. While it's not going to change the world, I think it's one
that devoted fans will appreciate hearing. Thanks to all on this list who
responded to the completly surprising stock I discovered. I'm glad that
through this list a number of fans were able to find what's pretty much
nonexistent in the stores anymore. The members of this list are really great
about sharing the info about new releases. It's the only list I look forward
to reading.
OASIS NA
I'm still waiting for it to arrive, so I can't comment. I hope I like it
better than Canyon Dreams, which is one of my least favorite releases of TD.
TOUR SINGLE ***
The second remix of Das Maedchen . . . on the tour single is very cool. Yup,
I like the Dream Mixes sound a lot, and that's what it reminds me of.
Although you can hear White Eagle in there, it's quite revamped from the
earlier ep, and IMHO, much more interesting now. The extra track on the tour
single isn't as compelling. It'a bit repetitive after 9 mins and could use a
little more variety, but it's still new TD music.
QUINOA ***1/2
I finally heard this from the Mystery Tracks 1 CD. Alhough it doesn't always
sound like it was finished (a couple of patches sounds demo-ish, especially
the sax sound) and there's a Two Bunch Palms primitive precursor, it's
overall really quite a fun ride. And it's a long track (28+mins)! I for one
miss the album-side songs. I'd love TD to do a CD that runs 76 mins
continuously. (indexing would be essential, though!) Lots of new melodies and
riffs. Definitely worth spending a little extra and adding to the collection.
Anyone able to comment on the Goblins Club extra track, please???
MOAN ALERT. Years ago, I had a realy cool shirt from the 1986 North AMerica
tour. One day, it disappeared. I looked everywhere, but couldn't find it.
Major letdown. Years later, my brother shows up for a family reunion wearing
it. AUGH! He said he didn't know where he got it but he thought it was so
cool, he wore holes in it. DAMN!
I'm rambling. Sorry. Bu bye now.
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Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:01
am
Subject: Re: Silva's out of print CD's...not to worry
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-05-01 23:52:12 EDT, Dano writes:
<< If you have a
hard time finding these Cd's contact Super Collector at 714-839-3693.
They have these titles at very reasonable prices. If they don't have
them, call Dave Minton at 1-800-cdtapes. I highly recommend Dave's mail
order services as well.
regards,
Dano >>
I've never heard of these guys before. Do you have any other
information on them? Experience? Types of stuff you've gotten from them?
Etc.?
Thanks in advance,
Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:02
am
Subject: Re: D: Oasis
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-05-01 17:10:54 EDT, you write:
<< Cedar Breaks (1AS) : Possibly the worst TD track ever! This
really, really, really, really, really, really, really,
really, really, really sucks!!!! I hate it! I want to
physically cut it out of the disc! Awful!
>>
I haven't heard this, but from your description it would seem to
deserve a '0' instead of a '1' or did we agree not to use a '0'?
Phil Naunton
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:02
am
Subject: Re: WEIRD LAWS 7
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-05-01 18:54:53 EDT, you write:
<< Maybe somebody with musical inclinations, dosen't like to be a passive
listener and wants to participate...
>>
This reminds me of a Classical concert I attended some years ago.
It contained some very lively music by Bach. I was sitting there really
getting into it and I started 'conducting' with my right index finger while
my hand rested on the arm of the row-chair. The tiers of seats were very
steeply arranged and one could very easily get vertigo from looking almost
straight down at the orchestra. Anyway, this guy behind me taps me on the
shoulder and, pointing at my waving finger, says, ' Would you stop that?
It's very annoying.' For a brief instant I imagined him tumbling head over
heels down the gallery tiers, launching off the rail and into the mass of
kettle drums far below. Instead I just said, 'Shhhhhh!' and muttered
something incomprehensible in Russian ( I know about 20 words).
Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:17
am
Subject: Re: CD reviews
Really-From: Vic Rek
>I for one
>miss the album-side songs. I'd love TD to do a CD that runs 76 mins
>continuously.
This would be great - but you can only count on Klaus for these ideas.
>(indexing would be essential, though!)
Why? This is a contradiction to what you were trying to convey, I think?
Vic
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat May 3, 1997 11:08
pm
Subject: Re: French comp - pink & virgin?
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>
> > Really-From: Mark Filipak
> > ... [in response to Greg's post about this mystery comp] ...
> > If your memory serves you well regarding 83, then this must have
> > either been a b**t that listed separate tracks and not a compilation,
> > or it was a pirate compilation that combined pink and virgin years.
> > If anyone locates this disc, please post. -- Mark
> >
>
> The cover, if I can remember, had a cover of a woman/design that was
> computerized. This album was for sale at my local music store, and
> oddly, this one did not fit. It sat for quite a while, until I bought
> it--which I returned it because I disliked the music. My music store
> usually stocks only the most recent of Tangerine Dream from labels
> associated with New Age.. (Miramar..Private Music..Castle)
> Maybe if I dig around at my music store's used section, I
> might find it. I know this for certain though, this is not an album
> listed on T-Dreams's Discography!
The reason this is significant: To the best of my knowledge, there has
never been a legitimate release that combined pink and virgin period
material. That's why I believe that if this does exist, it must be a
pirate. Hopefully, I shall resolve this. Cheers -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat May 3, 1997 11:02
pm
Subject: Re: Screaming fans!
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Paul Nagle
> ...
> As for an EMMA concert - I don't think they'd allow me to play.....
> not sure why.....I've tried to get on the bill for the last four years
> with no success....
> 8-(
> Paul
Huh? David Hughes tells me that the EMMA organizers are having to
scramble to get acts. What's wrong with this picture? (David?) -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat May 3, 1997 10:10
pm
Subject: Re: FSOL 'Lifeforms' and TD, KS
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Jim Moore
>
> >Really-From: Mark Filipak
> >I think FSOL sampled everything on the planet except possibly my urine
> >(not sure) for 'Lifeforms.' Is 'Schulze' Klaus Schulze? Who else?
> >
> >I've heard that TD samples are throughout 'Lifeforms' but you can't
> >recognize them.
>
> I no longer have this CD (for some reason it annoyed the hell out of
> me), ...
Yes! Me too. I think FSOL is one of those collaborations for which I'd
like to follow the members into the future. I think their music is a
little immature right now (flamebait?), but they obviously have some
good ideas and fresh views. Perhaps in a couple of years they'll be
doing more smooth and unified productions without the impetuous jumpping
around that their music does now.
> ... but in one song there is a blatent grab from Canyon Dreams.
Fraudulent Sounds of London?
Send your flames to me. -- Mark (just finished a steam/electric
generator and hooked it up to the PG&E grid, so now I can make money
using the flames)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat May 3, 1997 10:59
pm
Subject: TD Soundtracks: Getting rare? -- Caveat Emptor
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
>
> > Really-From: Mark Filipak
> >
> > > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
> > >
> > > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
> > > >
> > > > > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
> > > > >
> > > > > For those of you concerned about not finding any of the silva
> > > > > CD's by TD (Shy People, Dead Solid Perfect, Park Is Mine,
> > > > > Dream Music 1 & 2) Ford Thaxton assured me that they will be
> > > > > around for a while. If you have a hard time finding these Cd's
> > > > > contact Super Collector at 714-839-3693. They have these
> > > > > titles at very reasonable prices. If they don't have them,
> > > > > call Dave Minton at 1-800-cdtapes. I highly recommend Dave's
> > > > > mail order services as well.
> > > > ...
> > > > -- Excuse my ignorance but who, pray tell, is Ford Thaxton? and
> > > > what is his source of information? What I posted about these CDs
> > > > is that some ** have already gone out of print ** based on direct
> > > > discussions with staff (and the computer) at Tower, HMV and
> > > > Virgin.
> >
> > I concur with what Lars says and have had such personal experiences
> > with store personnel and distributors also.
> >
> > > Well, first off, Ford Thaxton is a CD (soundtrack) producer. ...
> >
> > Your boss?
>
> No, not my boss. He has worked with us (SuperTracksInternational) on
> several occasions (And I consider him a friend).
>
> > > ... So, now you know who Ford is, now you know you were wrong.
> >
> > How was Lars wrong, Dano? -- Mark
>
> Lars stated:
>
> Perhaps I am wrong,
> > but I think you are giving people a false sense of security about
> > these things...
>
> That's what he was wrong about. I am not giving people a false sense of
> anything. I'm merely stating the facts as Ford has relayed them to me.
> That's all.
Sounds like you're trying to be helpful to me. So we have two helpful
people working to cross purposes. Well, caveat emptor folks. As for
myself, I'm buying them when I see them, pluse extras for fellow
listees.
I have 'Heartbreakers' available to anyone who wants it. Of the non-SS
soundtracks, I have 'Miracle Mile' (Private Music) and 'Kamikaze 1989'
(Virgin, UK) available also. I bought these as trading stock for the
benefit of the people on this list -- contact me off-list please.
I check the stacks regularly and I know Lars does the same. Dispite
what Ford Thaxton has to say, these are being seen less and less. Tower
Records pulls their plastic dividers either when an album goes oop, or
when it goes oop _and_ their distributors show zero stock (don't know),
but these were pulled some time ago. The result is the same: you can't
get these at Tower anymore and they cannot order it for you. Perhaps
some small distributors do have some in warehouses, but perhaps they
don't, or perhaps they don't supply _your_ area.
My recommendation: If you know you want these soundtrack albums, you
might as well get them now rather than later. If it's a matter of
budget, put off buying that new Phaedra SBM, or that copy of the Poland
1-CD you've heard about, etc -- the main stream albums will be around
for a while -- in favor of something you might not be able to get in the
future. I think this is just being prudent and I think being prudent is
what Lars had in mind. Regards to all. -- Mark
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 6:18
am
Subject: Long CDs & the use of indexes
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
> >I for one
> >miss the album-side songs. I'd love TD to do a CD that runs 76 mins
> >continuously.
>
> This would be great - but you can only count on Klaus for these ideas.
>
> >(indexing would be essential, though!)
>
> Why? This is a contradiction to what you were trying to convey, I
> think?
Think again Vic. Ever try to fast forward through 76 minutes of CD to
get to the last little bit?
I have a CD that's really one track, but they put indexes every 5
minutes to give you a jump forward/back capability. The indexes aren't
even listed on the label. -- Mark
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 6:23
am
Subject: Re: Silva's out of print CD's...not to worry
Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: PNaunton@a...
>
> In a message dated 97-05-01 23:52:12 EDT, Dano writes:
>
> << If you have a
> hard time finding these Cd's contact Super Collector at 714-839-3693.
> They have these titles at very reasonable prices. If they don't have
> them, call Dave Minton at 1-800-cdtapes. I highly recommend Dave's mail
> order services as well.
>
> regards,
>
> Dano >>
>
> I've never heard of these guys before. Do you have any other
> information on them? Experience? Types of stuff you've gotten from them?
> Etc.?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Phil Naunton
Since I work for them I can do that, heh. This may sound like a
commercial but here goes: Super Collector has been in business for over 4
years. We specialize in rare or out of print soundtracks, Japanimation,
sci-fi toys & so forth (it's a pretty big store). We are also a reputable
CD producer (current releases include Battlestar Galactica, Night of the
Running Man, Kazaam, Space 1999, The Associate, DragonballZ and several
others). Since we deal directly with Silva and Ford (their producer) we
can get the silva titles easier than most distributors. Feel free to call
us up if you'd like to order a catalog or if you just have any questions.
All soundtrack related questions should be directed to me (Dan). We have
all of the TD Silva titles in stock right now if you need any of them.
regards,
Dano
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 6:48
am
Subject: Mark Filipak is Edgar's Cousin!
Really-From: Vic Rek
Hi Dreamers -
This post is for entertainment only... (save it for some crazy day)
After contemplating many posts over the months, I finally realized a fact
that many of you casual readers didn't even have a clue about:
Mark Filipak is Edgar's cousin!!!
You probably wonder why I would spend the time to come up with the facts or
why would I want to post this - well, answer this on your own time. I'm on
a mission to turn this asbestos wearing friend of ours in!
The first clue is totally obvious:
1. He always defends Edgar's marketing practices! - Ever notice a post
about TD marketing? Who's the one to first and utmostly to respond? Protect
your family.
2. The Helping Hand - Mark is a kind man, he leads disgruntled users to
Majordomo after they've posted many times how lame they are in their
inability to unsubscribe from the list after a barrage of posts.
3. He may even counsil member's pets on the benefits of TD - it's like TANG!
4. He likes art - Don't forget that he is doing the artwork for Presistence
of Vision (POV).
4a. Let's not forget that all TD artwork is contained in the family. But
Monique - I hope you're not in on this one, don't be offended. I'd hate to
see a picture of Silicon Valley on the cover! or even a fake boob!
5. He's even making a discography - must be for Edgar's 'direction' to
document what's going on with TD's releases and their labels these days!
This is a tough job! So let's move on without pity...
Next clues are subjective:
6. Mark said that he's from a Polish heritage. Well that's good enough for
me. Edgar was born probably closer to the Polish border than he'd like to
admit. A long run across that poppy field would yield many answers!
7. Mark thinks he's a vegetarian - but he still drinks milk.
8. If Purple Sensimilia (excuse mispelling) came their way - who would be
the first to play 'Purple Haze'!
9. Remember when he first came onto this list? He had a footer posting an
envelope being directly deposited into Edgar's lawyer's safe! I'm glad Klaus
B. set him straight!
10. And he asks you these stupid questions like was PB/EF/CF or ??? on this
release? Come on we know better! This must be a modern day reincarnation
of the KGB.
11. Mark says he likes nature and has a musical bone in his ankle. Well,
after getting stoned, I would suggest a session at the infamous TD
Okeefenoke Swamp in south Georgia. That would be the ultimate TD fan trip I
think. Then to 29 Palms, California for a guacamole feast (and a tattoo)!
Anyone Interested? (Really, maybe someday!)
Vic
P.S. 'if you're still interested' a quote from Mark...
'Interesting. My father's side is from Poland -- ran an ice stadium, I
think. I used to be a vegitarian until I started watching nature
films. And I (used to?) get stoned. I have a musical bone in one
ankle. Hell, who knows? Maybe I am related to Edgar. Follow the way
with heart, Vic. Me, I think I'll go sit out in the desert at night a
little.'
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Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:02
am
Subject: Re: TD Soundtracks: Getting rare? -- Caveat Emptor
Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
> >
> > > Really-From: Mark Filipak
> > >
> > > > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
> > > >
> > > > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For those of you concerned about not finding any of the silva
> > > > > > CD's by TD (Shy People, Dead Solid Perfect, Park Is Mine,
> > > > > > Dream Music 1 & 2) Ford Thaxton assured me that they will be
> > > > > > around for a while. If you have a hard time finding these Cd's
> > > > > > contact Super Collector at 714-839-3693. They have these
> > > > > > titles at very reasonable prices. If they don't have them,
> > > > > > call Dave Minton at 1-800-cdtapes. I highly recommend Dave's
> > > > > > mail order services as well.
> > > > > ...
> > > > > -- Excuse my ignorance but who, pray tell, is Ford Thaxton? and
> > > > > what is his source of information? What I posted about these CDs
> > > > > is that some ** have already gone out of print ** based on direct
> > > > > discussions with staff (and the computer) at Tower, HMV and
> > > > > Virgin.
> > >
> > > I concur with what Lars says and have had such personal experiences
> > > with store personnel and distributors also.
> > >
> > > > Well, first off, Ford Thaxton is a CD (soundtrack) producer. ...
> > >
> > > Your boss?
> >
> > No, not my boss. He has worked with us (SuperTracksInternational) on
> > several occasions (And I consider him a friend).
> >
> > > > ... So, now you know who Ford is, now you know you were wrong.
> > >
> > > How was Lars wrong, Dano? -- Mark
> >
> > Lars stated:
> >
> > Perhaps I am wrong,
> > > but I think you are giving people a false sense of security about
> > > these things...
> >
> > That's what he was wrong about. I am not giving people a false sense of
> > anything. I'm merely stating the facts as Ford has relayed them to me.
> > That's all.
>
> Sounds like you're trying to be helpful to me. So we have two helpful
> people working to cross purposes. Well, caveat emptor folks. As for
> myself, I'm buying them when I see them, pluse extras for fellow
> listees.
>
> I have 'Heartbreakers' available to anyone who wants it. Of the non-SS
> soundtracks, I have 'Miracle Mile' (Private Music) and 'Kamikaze 1989'
> (Virgin, UK) available also. I bought these as trading stock for the
> benefit of the people on this list -- contact me off-list please.
>
> I check the stacks regularly and I know Lars does the same. Dispite
> what Ford Thaxton has to say, these are being seen less and less. Tower
> Records pulls their plastic dividers either when an album goes oop, or
> when it goes oop _and_ their distributors show zero stock (don't know),
> but these were pulled some time ago. The result is the same: you can't
> get these at Tower anymore and they cannot order it for you. Perhaps
> some small distributors do have some in warehouses, but perhaps they
> don't, or perhaps they don't supply _your_ area.
>
> My recommendation: If you know you want these soundtrack albums, you
> might as well get them now rather than later. If it's a matter of
> budget, put off buying that new Phaedra SBM, or that copy of the Poland
> 1-CD you've heard about, etc -- the main stream albums will be around
> for a while -- in favor of something you might not be able to get in the
> future. I think this is just being prudent and I think being prudent is
> what Lars had in mind. Regards to all. -- Mark
I agree. Don't ever wait for a TD soundtrack. If you want it, grab it.
You never know when that baby will be gone forever. Sometimes it takes
forever for the CD to go back into print. Why aren't Tower Records
ordering these CD's? Who knows. I can regularly get Transformers the
Movie Soundtrack from my local record distributor but Tower and other CD
stores almost NEVER carry it. WHo knows. Also, every Wherehouse Ent in
the world must only have 5 copys of any TD album. That's all I ever see
in those blasted pop stores...and it's always the last 5 newest releases
from TD. And Wherehouse Ent wonders why it had to file for bankrupcy. In
any case, if you need these soundtracks call Super Collector at
714-839-3693:
Shy People ($17)
Dead Solid Perfect ($17)
Risky Business ($20)
Thief (definitive U.K.)($20)
Heartbreakers ($17)
Legend ($17)
Miacle Mile ($15)
Zoning ($20)
Park Is Mine ($16)
Wavelength ($16)
3 O Clock High ($16)
Near Dark (Both Varese & Silva Versions) ($17)
Firestarter ($12)
Sorcerer ($12)
Deadly Care ($16)
Catch Me If You Can is out of print here in the states, but is supposedly
still in print in the U.K. If someone is desperate I can probably find a
copy for $20.
Now I know I'm plugging our business to be helpful....but I'd prefer you
to purchase from Mark since he made the offer first. If we have something
no one in the NG has, feel free to call us. Now, onward heh,,
regards,
Dan
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:08
am
Subject: Re: Long CDs & the use of indexes
Really-From: Vic Rek
Again - notice Mark's defense. I listen to listen, not to fast forward...
But I do like indexes, which has nothing to do with the length of the track.
Keep it going Klaus!
Vic
>> >I for one
>> >miss the album-side songs. I'd love TD to do a CD that runs 76 mins
>> >continuously.
>>
>> This would be great - but you can only count on Klaus for these ideas.
>>
>> >(indexing would be essential, though!)
>>
>> Why? This is a contradiction to what you were trying to convey, I
>> think?
>
>Think again Vic. Ever try to fast forward through 76 minutes of CD to
>get to the last little bit?
>
>I have a CD that's really one track, but they put indexes every 5
>minutes to give you a jump forward/back capability. The indexes aren't
>even listed on the label. -- Mark
>
>
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Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:06
am
Subject: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L'affaire Wallraff?'
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
> ...
> Since I work for them I can do that, heh. This may sound like a
> commercial but here goes: Super Collector has been in business for
> over 4 years. We specialize in rare or out of print soundtracks ...
Hi Dano. Since you work for these guys, how about getting me about 10
or 20 copies of 'L'affaire Wallraff?' It was released by EMI France in
1991.
Thanks in advance. -- Mark
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:25
am
Subject: Re: Mark Filipak is Edgar's Cousin!
Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> That would be the ultimate TD fan trip I
> think. Then to 29 Palms, California for a guacamole feast (and a tattoo)!
>
> Anyone Interested? (Really, maybe someday!)
>
> Vic
>
Ahhhhhhh!!! No! Go Back! I lived in the desert near 29 Palms for many years!
It's too
hot! Heh.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 4:12
pm
Subject: Re: JMJ
Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v...
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Mark Jones
>
> Can anyone suggest a TD tune that we would want 7 different mixes of????
> >
Yeah just about everything they have done since Live Miles.
I think Dream Mixes is better then the original material. For a few years
now TD have fallen in to the AOR trap. To me Dream Mixes is nearer to the
virgin years (it kicks ass). Dont get me wrong I have enjoyed the music
of the last few years but rarely has it got me exited, untill Dream
Mixes. A little dissapointed with the video though.
Gaza
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 8:01
am
Subject: Re: EXTRACTS FROM POLAND ( What version ?)
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
>
> ... I had the former 1 CD version and I was thinking
> of buying the 2-CD version. Well, after hearng the new master sound I
> forgot about hose 5 minutes and bougth it. ...
>
> ---FSC
If Francisco recommends it, then it looks like I'll be grabbing this
sucker when I have the spare change. That's after I score my 10 copies
of 'L'affaire Wallraff' of course. ;-)
-- Mark (not related to EF)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 8:18
am
Subject: Re: TD Soundtracks: Getting rare? -- Caveat Emptor
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
>
> > Really-From: Mark Filipak
> > ...
> > I have 'Heartbreakers' available to anyone who wants it. Of the
> > non-SS soundtracks, I have 'Miracle Mile' (Private Music) and
> > 'Kamikaze 1989' (Virgin, UK) available also. I bought these as
> > trading stock for the benefit of the people on this list -- contact
> > me off-list please. ...
>
> if you need these soundtracks call Super Collector at
> 714-839-3693:
>
> Shy People ($17)
> Dead Solid Perfect ($17)
> Risky Business ($20)
> Thief (definitive U.K.)($20)
> Heartbreakers ($17)
> Legend ($17)
> Miacle Mile ($15)
> Zoning ($20)
> Park Is Mine ($16)
> Wavelength ($16)
> 3 O Clock High ($16)
> Near Dark (Both Varese & Silva Versions) ($17)
> Firestarter ($12)
> Sorcerer ($12)
> Deadly Care ($16)
>
> Catch Me If You Can is out of print here in the states, but is
> supposedly still in print in the U.K. If someone is desperate I can
> probably find a copy for $20.
>
> Now I know I'm plugging our business to be helpful....but I'd prefer
> you to purchase from Mark since he made the offer first. If we have
> something no one in the NG has, feel free to call us. Now, onward heh,
Thanks for the plug, Dano. But 'Heartbreakers,' 'Miracle Mile,' and
'Kamikaze 1989' aren't for sale, they're for trade. Anyone who has some
sorry CD laying around they want to get rid of can trade it for one of
these suckers. I also have 'The London Concert' (still sealed) and, if
Jeff Bergman doesn't want it, 'Wuivend Riet' for trade.
Cheers. -- Mark (geez, if I was related to EF, I'd be in Germany right
now working on the E-Ball or something!)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 8:24
am
Subject: Near Dark
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
Is there a difference between the Varese release and the Silva Screen
realease?
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 8:52
am
Subject: Re: Near Dark
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: TangerineC@a...
>
> Is there a difference between the Varese release and the Silva Screen
> realease?
I'll be curious to see the responses, but I think the only difference is
the cover. The US releases have a special effects photo and the UK
releases have a painting. -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 9:44
am
Subject: EMMA lock-outs + CF signature sound
Really-From: ashok prema
Paul Nagle write:
''From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 19:00:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Screaming fans!
Really-From: Paul Nagle
As for an EMMA concert - I don't think they'd allow me to play.....
not sure why.....I've tried to get on the bill for the last four years
with no success....
8-(
Paul
''
Me too!! Some of us old stalwarts don't get a look in nowadays!! Maybe
someone thinks we're has-beens? (were that true! - I never really made
an impact inmy earlier days )
Pearls before swine perhaps?? (not meant in any derogatory fashion whatsoever )
Fianlly that Chris Franke 'signature' is a KLAXON sound - let us now be
specific!. It was used regularly within their live sets around the 77 era
- and CF would smile at the others at this point - in joke thing!
Ash Prema
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 11:33
am
Subject: The Truth About Vic Rek
Really-From: Mark Filipak
Vic Rek's been makin' up stories about me. Well I have some stuff on
him but unlike his trash talk, this is all true!
Vic lives quite near to Atlanta and is very civic minded. When he was
in high school, he did a combined history/biology science fair project
on gastro-intestinal disorders and called it 'Gone with the Wind.'
Vic's such an aggressive entreprenuer that when he heard the Olympics
was going to be in Atlanta, he applied to put a Chapstick concession
across the street from the ski jump area.
As any girl around Atlanta will tell you, Vic is a big back seat sports
enthusiast. But I heard that Vic once turned down a complimentary
ticket to a Brave's game because he had to do his laundry.
Vic's very sensitive to other people's feelings. When he's with
friends, he claims not to like grits. But if he thinks no-one is
looking, he puts MILK & SUGAR on them!
Jimmy Carter's first Habitat for Humanity went up in Vic's home town.
Vic picketed the construction site in the mistaken belief that it
threatened the home of the endangered Budweiser.
Vic comes from a real red blooded American business family. For
example, Vic's uncle invented instant-hardening concrete.
Unfortunately, he had to declare bankruptcy after his first customer
sued him for the cost of 10 cement mixers. But the pride of the family
is Vic's dad. He owns the travel agency that Jane Fonda used for all
her travels.
Texans don't know how to barbeque, and neither do Aussies. Just ask
Vic. He invented the world's only self starting barbeque sauce. He
plans to copyright his recipe and license it out as soon as he gets out
of the hospital.
Yes, I just can't say enough about Vic. He's famous in Georgia. Why,
people as far away as Macon know about Vic. And he'll probably get
even more famous, assuming of course that the cops in Atlanta don't
find out.
Just thought you'd all like to know what an exceptional person he is.
-- Mark (roast Vic for dinner, come and get it!)
PS (TD content): Vic actually joined the tadream list by mistake. He'd
heard all about the illicit 'action' on the net in bible studies, but
he's a little near sighted. He thought he was subscribing to the tawdry
list.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 12:45
pm
Subject: 'Fort worth runway one' review
Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Really-From: AslanFan1@a...
>
> Anyone able to comment on the Goblins Club extra track, please???
The new track 'Fort worth runway one' replaced 'Elf June and the midnight
patrol' with was the only track co-composed by Linda Spa on 'Goblin Club'.
On the fotos of the new 'Goblin Club'-CD Linda was eleminated.
The new track consists of 6 parts:
0:00 - 0:56 ´dialogue´ a dialogue (airplane pilot and tower atmosphere)
with some slow harmonies.
0:57 - 1:38 ´departure´ slow harmonies and sounds (floating)
1:39 - 3:42 ´main theme´ E Froese typical sequences, some drums and a
slow, nice melody which includes more harmonies than single notes.
The main theme is played two times with a noiseless break.
The rhythm could be described as 'driving'.
3:43 - 4:11 ´departure´ it´s similiar to the second part
-variation
4:12-6:31 ´main theme´
6:32-6:42 ´end´ fade out
They use no guitar and sax.
I like the 'driving' main theme very much. The track was played during the
tour in Hanover/Germany.
Jens
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 12:59
pm
Subject: Cedar Breaks
Really-From: Armin Theissen
><< Cedar Breaks (1AS) : Possibly the worst TD track ever! This
> really, really, really, really, really, really, really,
> really, really, really sucks!!!! I hate it! I want to
> physically cut it out of the disc! Awful!
> >>
>
> I haven't heard this, but from your description it would seem to
>deserve a '0' instead of a '1' or did we agree not to use a '0'?
>
>Phil Naunton
>
Go and see http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen/tarank.html
to find out what the numbers mean.
But honestly, I like 'Cedar Breaks'. This is the only-string tune
on Oasis, after 'Waterbourne', right? It makes a nice contrast
to Waterbourne, and is somehow like 'Mysterious...' from Phaedra, but
with a synth string sound (a good one!) instead of Mellotron.
It may also be, however, that I've got to listen to it several more
times - it may annoy me very soon.
Armin
Armin Theissen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Armagh Observatory email: ath@s...
College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen
Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928
Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174
`Live is complex - it has a real and an imaginary part!'
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 2:35
pm
Subject: CoAE II
Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
OK, you guys convinced me to spend the money for Coefficient of Aural
Expansion II. I just checked Progtron (which has finally been updated)
and it's not listed anymore! Also gone is Spherical Harmonics Two.
Unfortunately, these items are disappearing faster than I can save for
them (also talking about Danger Live, Live! Improvised!). As someone just
said about the soundtracks...if you see it and can afford now then buy it
NOW. Do not wait!! Is there another source for these????
Thanks,
Larry (always dragging my feet)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 2:23
pm
Subject: TD singles
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
WANTED
Tangerine Dream Singles (vinyl or CD)
I will buy or trade
Please send me--privately--your trade/sell/tease lists :-)
Lars
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 2:23
pm
Subject: addition to phil's poll
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Phil and dreamers
Yes, we did forget a compilation in the poll, that is the untitled (or
simply titled 'TD') compilation which includes all of Phaedra plus Rubycon
part 1 and Stratosfear and that came out last november. So mark me down
for this one too. (I can get them here for $12 each!!!)
Crazy Lars
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 3:50
pm
Subject: Linda Spa
Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
>
>The new track 'Fort worth runway one' replaced 'Elf June and the midnight
>patrol' with was the only track co-composed by Linda Spa on 'Goblin Club'.
>On the fotos of the new 'Goblin Club'-CD Linda was eleminated.
>
>Jens
>
This is *so* cruel! I think I'll do a Linda Spa Fan Web Page. She
should know that there are people out there who love her!
Armin
Armin Theissen
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Armagh Observatory email: ath@s...
College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen
Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928
Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174
`Live is complex - it has a real and an imaginary part!'
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:15
pm
Subject: Re: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L'affaire Wallraff?'
Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
> > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
> > ...
> > Since I work for them I can do that, heh. This may sound like a
> > commercial but here goes: Super Collector has been in business for
> > over 4 years. We specialize in rare or out of print soundtracks ...
>
> Hi Dano. Since you work for these guys, how about getting me about 10
> or 20 copies of 'L'affaire Wallraff?' It was released by EMI France in
> 1991.
>
> Thanks in advance. -- Mark
Ewwww....a challenge heh heh. Man Inside is one of the tougher one's to
find. I can get them, however. The question is...how much do you want to
pay for them? Since I can sell them for at least $50 each retail...I'm
assuming you want to pay at least this amount for each?
regards,
Dano
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:17
pm
Subject: Re: Near Dark
Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: TangerineC@a...
>
> Is there a difference between the Varese release and the Silva Screen
> realease?
No difference other than the cover of the CD. The Silva cover features a
painting of Severin (think it's Severin) with sunrays going through his
body while the Varese is a boring photo of Bill Paxton lookin like George
Romero slapped him around a bit.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Mon May 5, 1997 12:18
am
Subject: OASIS in the US?
Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready)
Hey all -
Anyone care to give me a lead on finding OASIS here in the US,
specifically California? I've tried all the usual spots, and nothing
thus far, and I'm getting increasingly frustrated as I hear more and
more good stuff about it.
Thanks!
-Steve
sbm@p...
Sacramento, CA
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:43
pm
Subject: EMMA
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Mark,
>> As for an EMMA concert - I don't think they'd allow me to play.....
>> not sure why.....I've tried to get on the bill for the last four years
>> with no success....
>> 8-(
>> Paul
>
>Huh? David Hughes tells me that the EMMA organizers are having to
>scramble to get acts. What's wrong with this picture? (David?) -- Mark
I've no idea why EMMA haven't invited Paul Nagle to play. I'm not privvy to
their internal workings. I do know that the EMMA commitee were encouraged
to invite European as well as home-grown acts this time around.
Mark, if memory serves, I don't believe I said anything about EMMA having
to scramble for acts. There are a lot of people queuing up to play at the
event.
David
email : dhughes@g...
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:42
pm
Subject: CF's signature sound
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi all,
One of Chris Franke's more obvious signature sounds comes from his trusty
Roland JD800. It's the 'Iceman' (I-37) preset and it's a kind of wooshy,
pad effect with a tinkling bell sound fades in towards the end. It's in
nearly every Babylon-5 episode.
For other favourite CF sounds, try his 'Sonic Images' sampler CD series.
The drums sounds are excellent.
Just a small piece of trivia.
Cheers
David
email : dhughes@g...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:42
pm
Subject: A US concert? (non-TD)
Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
Hi all,
>About organizing a monster MEGA e-music concert (a la EMMA) in
>America, forgoodnessakes,
Seems that the suggestion that a few of us Brit muscian's might like to
perform at a US venue is very popular. Ash is chomping at the bit and we're
hot-to-trot. Atlanta is more difficult for us brits to get to. New York,
however, is just a $300 plane trip away. Any takers?
Equipment-wise, we couldn't transport our rig economically but if someone
arranged the hire of a couple of good keyboards (Kurzweil K2K's for
example), a Macintosh for running the sequencer, some decent outboard and a
good quality PA rig, we could easily bring our samples, programs, backing
etc as hand luggage. All our audio visual stuff is on slides too so that
wouldn't be a problem.
>Great choice! Close to all the great bars in Buckhead!!
That would keep me and the AirSculpture boys happy! ... :)
Let's see if this one flies?
Cheers
David
email : dhughes@g...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 5:50
pm
Subject: Re: OASIS in the US?
Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready)
>
> Hey all -
>
> Anyone care to give me a lead on finding OASIS here in the US,
> specifically California? I've tried all the usual spots, and nothing
> thus far, and I'm getting increasingly frustrated as I hear more and
> more good stuff about it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Steve
> sbm@p...
> Sacramento, CA
All I can say is check all the Nature-like stores. I found my copy in
Southern CA at some new age, nature-I'm getting in touch with my
innerself store. If you still can't find it, I can probably order you a
copy from our video distributor.
regards,
Dano
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 6:30
pm
Subject: Re: OASIS in the US?
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
Will this Cd find the light of day in every Cd shop in America, or do I have
to hunt down the damn thing just like every other TD rarity?
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 6:41
pm
Subject: Re: D: Oasis
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
In a message dated 97-05-01 17:10:54 EDT, you write:
>Cedar Breaks (1AS) : Possibly the worst TD track ever! This
>really, really, really, really, really, really, really,
>really, really, really sucks!!!! I hate it! I want to
>physically cut it out of the disc! Awful
Explain. Why is this track so horrible that you want to cut it off the disc?
Did you listen to Rockoon lately? :)
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 6:49
pm
Subject: Re: beans, tangents and silva screen cds
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
Holy cow!!!! Just trust these guys o.k.? If they say it's true,it is. Ford is
with Silva just look at your TD Cd's and you'll see he sequences the albums.
He also does other soundtracks like Goldsmith's Supergirl and many other
soundtracks. So cool down people, he knows what he's talking about.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 6:51
pm
Subject: The Brick
Really-From: TangerineC@a...
Is this compolation of previously released albums, are there any bonus
tracks?
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:14
pm
Subject: Re: Silva's out of print CD's...not to worry
Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
You can feel safe using these two sources. I use both of them on a regular
basis.
Minette music also has another # 505-882-4830 if you do not want to talk to
a machine.
Just ask for Dave.Dave has a mialing list and sends out a catalog every
couple of months
He specializes in Electronic music and keeps up with new releases.
Supercollector specializes in the hard-to-find movie soundtracks also some
regular releases.The also sell Japanamtion,Star Wars and Star Trek,and other
SciFi stuff.
Hope this helps,
Robert
At 05:01 AM 5/4/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Really-From: PNaunton@a...
>
>
>In a message dated 97-05-01 23:52:12 EDT, Dano writes:
>
><< If you have a
> hard time finding these Cd's contact Super Collector at 714-839-3693.
> They have these titles at very reasonable prices. If they don't have
> them, call Dave Minton at 1-800-cdtapes. I highly recommend Dave's mail
> order services as well.
>
> regards,
>
> Dano >>
>
> I've never heard of these guys before. Do you have any other
>information on them? Experience? Types of stuff you've gotten from them?
> Etc.?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Phil Naunton
>
>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:41
pm
Subject: Re: Linda Spa
Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
GO FOR IT ARMIN. I would definitly pay it a visit.If you need some pics for
it,I
can help.
Robert
At 03:50 PM 5/4/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
>
>
>>
>>The new track 'Fort worth runway one' replaced 'Elf June and the midnight
>>patrol' with was the only track co-composed by Linda Spa on 'Goblin Club'.
>>On the fotos of the new 'Goblin Club'-CD Linda was eleminated.
>>
>>Jens
>>
>
>This is *so* cruel! I think I'll do a Linda Spa Fan Web Page. She
>should know that there are people out there who love her!
>
>Armin
>
>Armin Theissen
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Armagh Observatory email: ath@s...
>College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen
>Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928
>Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174
>
>`Live is complex - it has a real and an imaginary part!'
>
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:57
pm
Subject: Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - -
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-05-02 04:18:58 EDT, you write:
<< I also have a collection titled 'Ambient' (Synthetiseur) - Collectors'
Edition (3 Limited Edition Picture Discs) and the box contains:
Edgar Froese - 'Aqua,' Klaus Schulze - 'Time Wind' and
Ashra - 'Blackouts.'
>>
Does anyone else out there think that this is an odd set of
recordings to put together and call a collection?
Phil Naunton
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:58
pm
Subject: Re: FSOL 'Lifeforms' and TD, KS
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-05-03 04:52:52 EDT, you write:
<< I think FSOL sampled everything on the planet except possibly my urine
(not sure) for 'Lifeforms.' Is 'Schulze' Klaus Schulze? Who else?
I've heard that TD samples are throughout 'Lifeforms' but you can't
recognize them.
Cheers -- Mark >>
I don't have 'Lifeforms' but I do have 'Dead Cities' and the
influences are easier to perceive when you are not focused on the music.
I've picked out influences
while just listening in 'soft focus', but when I try again, more pointedly, I
miss them.
Just a thought.
Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:58
pm
Subject: Re: CF's signature sound?
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-05-03 08:40:56 EDT, you write:
<< >The sound appears on 'Encore', but I'm not sure which track.
It's on Monolight at 3'12'. And CF also didn't forget to 'sign' his
recent Babylon 5 Vol.2. You can hear that 'funny' sound on track 2
(Messages from Earth) at 8'59'.
Antonio Nunes
>>
I think 'this sound' is on everything that Franke has ever done.
Sometimes it's downright annoying. It's like he's saying, 'Here I am
again!', right in the middle of this piece or that soundtrack. It's somewhat
reminiscent of a dignified conductor making funny faces at the audience
during Mahler's Ninth Symphony. Well, not really, but It always breaks my
concentration, somewhat. There are numerous little signatures actually.
The Alien Seagull.
The Frenzied E-String Bending ala Any Guitar God.
There's one that sounds like an old style camera shutter, or maybe a
pump loading shot-gun 'recorded in a very echoey room'.
There's what sounds like a gunney sack filled with chrome metal
hardware being smashed against a concrete pillar.
There's a narrow band 'pink noise' with a rising-falling frequency
gate.
There's another which sounds like a creaky metal door recorded in an
echoey room and played back at a very slow speed.
There's another which sounds like distant squealing tires.
Another is like a very staccato 'Hammond Organ' chord.
Another like a very urgent yet breathy voice uttering something
incomprehensible.
Another like a steam locomative roaring down the track.
There are some others I cannot think of right now but I've heard
them in numerous places and music pieces. By far the most consistent, and
probably the oldest, is the 'Alien Seagull'. I've been hearing that one for
years.
Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:58
pm
Subject: Re: phil's poll again
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-05-03 16:19:48 EDT, you write:
<< The Brick -- not yet but soon
(I still think/know we are forgetting something here...)
>>
From collected recent evidence one can only conclude that you're a
sick man, Lars. Long term and intense therapy might seem like a workable
option. I've shown some local Psychiatrists your dossier, but none of them
think there is much hope for a cure. I suggested the removal of your
cranium, and most of them have agreed that that approach is probably best for
you and the rest of humanity. If this fails to solve the problem, however,
we may have to resort to suicidal global nuclear annihilation for the rest of
us. Personally, I think I'm ready. ;-)
Phil Naunton
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 7:58
pm
Subject: For those who might think I have a poll up my. . . . .
Really-From: PNaunton@a...
May Day + 3 1997
COMPILATIONS
<>
33 - People responded
145 - 'votes' were cast
22 - Different collections were mentioned
List Member with the most compilations - Lars - 19 - (Come on Lars three to
go!)
Most frequent mention is still 'Beyond The Storm' but with 'Tangents' a close
second (one vote off)
Dream Sequence - 13
In The Beginning - 4
Electronic Dreams - 2
Beyond The Storm - 23
Private Music Of . . .- 17
Tangents - 22
Dream Roots - 17
70-80 - 5
Book Of Dreams - 7
The Collection (Castle) - 8
Collection (Another one - appears to be bootish) - 2
Froese 74-79 - 4
>From Dawn 'Ti Dusk - 4
Dream Music - (Unauthorized) - 3
Dream Music 2 - (Unauthorized) - 0
Electronic Dreams - 2
The Best of . . . - 1
Atmospherics (Isn't this a boot, too?) - 2
Brick - 2 (one by perhaps less than Kosher avenues?)
Edgar Froese - Solo - 2
The Story of . . . . - 3
Tangerine Dream (Disky) {Another Boot?} - 2
Phil Naunton
Various P.S.'s and note below.
The figures above are a little rough at this point, I will (still) have to
go over the posts a bit more carefull (when I have more time at my disposal)
to verify the information, if anyone is interested.
Thanks Lars.
Dream Mixes was mentioned but since this is not compiled, it's out.
Several other 'collections' were mentioned but since this is basically
repackaged reissues I dropped these too.
Due to popular demand I have removed 'Collected Endings'. Other boots I have
left in until such time as they are asked to leave.
Some members have stated owning sevearl copies of some compilations. This
does seem like a valid issue, so I have added these individually.
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 8:16
pm
Subject: Re: Linda Spa
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen)
>
> >
> >The new track 'Fort worth runway one' replaced 'Elf June and the
> >midnight patrol' with was the only track co-composed by Linda Spa on
> >'Goblin Club'. On the fotos of the new 'Goblin Club'-CD Linda was
> >eleminated.
> >
> >Jens
> >
>
> This is *so* cruel! I think I'll do a Linda Spa Fan Web Page. She
> should know that there are people out there who love her!
Once again I must point out an alternative explanation. Linda is not a
contractee anymore and there may be prohibitions in the contract that
her image cannot be used without her permission. She may have withheld
her permission. The same may be true of any song she has an interest
in. -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 8:19
pm
Subject: WEIRD 10
Really-From: Michael A Jean
Madison, WISCONSIN: No one can kiss a woman while attending a concert,
unless she is properly chaperoned.
Providence, RHODE ISLAND: No man can place his arm around a woman at a
concert without a good and lawful reason for doing so.
Halifax, NOVA SCOTIA: It is illegal to use handbills as a means of
advertising for a spouse during a concert or while a band is practicing.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 4:29
pm
Subject: Phil's poll
Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT)
I for got these three in addition to the other 15 compiliations I
already posted:
Dream Music 1 & 2
Beyond the Storm
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Re: Phil's poll
Francisco Salgado C.
Sun
5/4/1997
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Re: Phil's poll
Jens Peschke
Sun
5/4/1997
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Phil's poll
Kim Pedersen
Mon
5/5/1997
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Phil's poll
ajogon@m...
Mon
5/5/1997
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Re: Phil's poll
Francisco Salgado C.
Fri
5/23/1997
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59
am
Subject: Brick
Really-From: Matt Williams
I was thinking of ordering 'Brick' well either that or Dream Roots can anyone
tell me if the TOB in brick has Quaser on it????.....
Got the double Dream Mixes Cd the other day.....cool value for 11 uk pounds
with the extra CD.....the extra CD is worth 11 pounds on its own....they have
actually made bland tracks very good,they should do more of it to those bland
albums from the late 80s onwards.
Onto a non TD topic.......
I have always been blowing the trumpet of an album called 76:14 by Global
Communication.....it is without doubt the best album I have had the privaled
to ever hear...it sits prodly at number one on my fave CD list......I brought
Remotion by the same group yesterday....I was a little sceptical because I
wasn't sure if they could deliver another album of such class....boy was I
proved wrong...ok so it isn't as good as 76:14 but it still gets a slot at
number 2 in my charts......what an album,as I listen to thier music I am taken
on a musical voyage.....my mind wanders to places I never knew existed.....I
even called in sick for work because I wanted to chill out and just listen to
the albums all day......if I'm sacked I will have to sue Global Communications
for supplying a drug to me that I can't get enough of!.
Matt...
MATTHEW WILLIAMS
EMAIL: matt@s...
'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the
things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix.
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Jens Peschke
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5/4/1997
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Re: Brick
Grant Middleton
Mon
5/5/1997
3 KB
4322
Re: Brick
Rakinik Intertype (DJS)
Wed
5/28/1997
2 KB
4328
Re: Brick
Matt Williams
Thu
5/29/1997
2 KB
4354
Re: Brick
Plumer, Scott
Thu
5/29/1997
2 KB
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 8:50
pm
Subject: Re: Phil's poll
Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
I forgot to include
Beyond the storm
Dream Music
Dream Music 2
francisco
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 4:34
pm
Subject: re: Kim Pederson's question
Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT)
Kim wanted to know about some cd's ordered, two of which, I happen to
have. Ardem-O and Collected Endings.
I think the sound quality sux on Ardem-O, and it's only slightly
better on Collected Endings. 20th Century Serenades,
on the other hand, is quite good IMO.
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Re: Kim Pederson's question
Mark Filipak
Mon
5/5/1997
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From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 9:10
pm
Subject: Wants, wants and more wants ...
Really-From: Steve Yensen
Fellow dreamers,
As a relative newcomer to this list, but not to TD, it would be extremely
nice if any of you out there have any of the 'mainstream' albums for sale.
Unfortunately, there is nothing for me to trade as I only have one of each
of the following:
Tangerine Dream Albums - as of 5th May 1997.
KEY:
HR Home Recording
MC Musicassette
VY Vinyl
CD Compact Disc
VO Video
HR Alpha Centauri (1971)
MC Atem (1973)
MC Phaedra (1974)
MC Rubycon (1975)
VY Ricochet (1975)
MC Stratosfear (1976)
MC Cyclone (1978)
VY Force Majeure (1979)
VY Tangram (1980)
MC Exit (1981)
VY White Eagle (1982)
MC Logos - Live at the Dominion (1983)
MC Hyperborea (1983)
MC Poland - The Warsaw concert (1984)
MC Le Parc (1985)
MC Underwater Sunlight (1986)
MC Tyger (1988)
MC Livemiles (1988)
MC Optical Race (1988)
MC Melrose (1990)
MC Rockoon (1992)
Soundtracks:
MC Thief (1982)
MC Near Dark (1987)
Edgar Froese Solo:
MC Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (1975)
Chris Franke Solo:
HR The London Concert (1992)
As you can see, I have yet to join the CD revolution, but I'm working on a
better quality system than my CD-ROM drive so I can play any CDs that I may
decide to purchase in the future.
Anybody out there able to help?
Steve.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 3:46
pm
Subject: Re: The Truth About Vic Rek
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 04:33 AM 5/4/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Really-From: Mark Filipak
>
>
>Vic Rek's been makin' up stories about me. Well I have some stuff on
>him but unlike his trash talk, this is all true!
[......]
Mark, you are wasted in the Silicon Valley... you ought to be in the
Catskills and making money with that humor of yours.
And you squeezed in the TD relevance just in time, too.
Howling with laughter,
Andrew
P.S. I have some singing minstrels for trade (Jolliffe, Baumann, etc.).
Interested? How annoying can they be, you ask? VERY! But there is
no accounting for taste. Well?
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 9:41
pm
Subject: Re: Brick
Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Really-From: Matt Williams
>
> I was thinking of ordering 'Brick' well either that or Dream Roots can
anyone
> tell me if the TOB in brick has Quaser on it????.....
I can´t understand it, but the brick doesn´t include 'Quaser' and 'Story of
the brave'. :(
The probably reason is that miramar don´t own the rights on that tracks,
which were released by TDI.
Jens
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 9:46
pm
Subject: Re: Phil's poll
Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
I forgot to include (an echo ?)
The Best of . . .
Brick (IMO it´s not a collection ´cause there´s no benefit compared with
the single 5 CD´s)
Jens
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 10:01
pm
Subject: Chris Franke
Really-From: AslanFan1@a...
Any body ever tried to receive Chris Franke's newsletter? I was on his
mailing list waaaaaay back when he first started sonic images. I got a really
cool newsletter and some interesting post cards. But then, I never heard from
them again. I've tried a couple of times to get back on the list via his
website but I never hear anything. Any ideas on what's up? I don't know of
any subscription fee or whatever.
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Re: Chris Franke
gary.cresswell1@v...
Mon
5/5/1997
3 KB
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Chris Franke
Elias Granillo, Jr.
Sun
10/26/1997
3 KB
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AOutland@a...
Sun
10/26/1997
3 KB
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Re: Chris Franke
Jorge Moreira
Mon
10/27/1997
4 KB
16510
Chris Franke
Anil Sahal
Tue
5/18/1999
2 KB
16511
Re: Chris Franke
Poulton, Larry
Tue
5/18/1999
4 KB
16517
Re: Chris Franke
Thomas
Tue
5/18/1999
1 KB
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Re: Chris Franke
Steven Le Vine
Wed
5/19/1999
2 KB
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Re: Chris Franke
Heiko Heerßen
Wed
5/19/1999
2 KB
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 9:59
pm
Subject: TD Guestbook
Really-From: Michael A Jean
Sorry if this is a repeat, but the GUESTBOOK states that the recent
WEBCAST may be repeated in late May...
MJ
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TD Guestbook
Sean Montgomery
Mon
1/8/2001
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25613
Re: TD Guestbook
Feldon Feldon
Mon
1/8/2001
3 KB
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 10:01
pm
Subject: TD Posters
Really-From: AslanFan1@a...
Anyone after posters of either Chris Franke or TD?
I have 2 very nice posters of Chris (a wee folded, but still very cool)
featuring him with keyboard console in the background.
I have one TD poster that is similar to the artwork of 220 Volts, with Phase
3 and 220 volts written across it.
I'm willing to trade. Please email me off list if interested.
Also, is anyone out there looking for THE MAN INSIDE? It's really a great
soundtrack. Please email me off list if you're looking for the music of it.
Also, is anyone looking for Catch Me If You Can soundtrack? I think I have
one available for someone searching. Again, please email me off list if
interested.
Thanks.
-Alan
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 10:05
pm
Subject: Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - -
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: PNaunton@a...
>
> In a message dated 97-05-02 04:18:58 EDT, you write:
>
> << I also have a collection titled 'Ambient' (Synthetiseur) -
> Collectors' Edition (3 Limited Edition Picture Discs) and the box
> contains: Edgar Froese - 'Aqua,' Klaus Schulze - 'Time Wind' and
> Ashra - 'Blackouts.'
> >>
>
> Does anyone else out there think that this is an odd set of
> recordings to put together and call a collection?
Not I. Seems very desirable to me. -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 10:06
pm
Subject: VOICEPRINT
Really-From: Michael A Jean
Thanks to all who posted the info about VOICEPRINT, which appears to be
the official TD mail order service... www.vprint.demon.co.uk
The list members are always ten steps ahead of things...
For those of you who haven't checked it out, there is word of FIVE
upcoming vinyl PICTURE DISCS including Rockoon, Turn of the Tides,
Dream Mixes, Tyranny of Beauty and Goblin's Club.
Other items include Quinoa, the OASIS video, and Sheperd's Bush
T-Shirts...
MJ
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Re: VOICEPRINT
Matt Williams
Mon
5/5/1997
3 KB
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Re: VOICEPRINT
Andrew J. Rozsa
Mon
5/5/1997
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Re: VOICEPRINT
Matt Williams
Mon
5/5/1997
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Re: VOICEPRINT
Michael A Jean
Tue
5/6/1997
2 KB
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 9:58
pm
Subject: Re: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L'affaire Wallraff?'
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Rakinik Intertype
>
> > Really-From: Mark Filipak
> > ...
> > Hi Dano. Since you work for these guys, how about getting me about
> > 10 or 20 copies of 'L'affaire Wallraff?' It was released by EMI
> > France in 1991.
> >
> > Thanks in advance. -- Mark
>
> Ewwww....a challenge heh heh. Man Inside is one of the tougher one's
> to find. I can get them, however. The question is...how much do you
> want to pay for them? Since I can sell them for at least $50 each
> retail...I'm assuming you want to pay at least this amount for each?
Bad assumption, Dano. Good parry and thrust though. I'm not a
completist and I won't lose sleep because there's one TD album I don't
have. That it can be gotten at all means you know where there's a
supply of these, and that the food chain wants $50 each -- or were you
just guessing? I'll keep cruising the used bins, thanks.
Regards -- Mark ('And any fool knows a dog need a home,...')
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 10:13
pm
Subject: Phil's poll
Really-From: Kim Pedersen
These are the compilations i have:
Dream sequence
Tangents
Book of dreams
Beyond the storm
Regards Kim Pedersen
Korg 01w users group:
http://www.sysedata.no/home/kimp
E-mail:kimp@s...
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 10:55
pm
Subject: Re: For those who might think I have a poll up my. . . . .
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: PNaunton@a...
>
> Collection (Another one - appears to be bootish) - 2
> Atmospherics (Isn't this a boot, too?) - 2
> Tangerine Dream (Disky) {Another Boot?} - 2
Nope. These are all three, comps.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 10:52
pm
Subject: Re: EMMA
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
>
> Mark,
>
> > Paul Nagle wrote:
> >
> > As for an EMMA concert - I don't think they'd allow me to play.....
> > not sure why.....I've tried to get on the bill for the last four
> > years with no success....
> > 8-(
> > Paul
>
> > Mark Filipak wrote:
> >
> > Huh? David Hughes tells me that the EMMA organizers are having to
> > scramble to get acts. What's wrong with this picture? (David?) --
> > Mark
>
> I've no idea why EMMA haven't invited Paul Nagle to play. I'm not
> privvy to their internal workings. I do know that the EMMA commitee
> were encouraged to invite European as well as home-grown acts this
> time around.
I believe that Paul and Ash are both the home grown variety -- UK that
is.
> Mark, if memory serves, I don't believe I said anything about EMMA
> having to scramble for acts. There are a lot of people queuing up to
> play at the event.
You're right. I misunderstood one of our private exchanges. Sorry all.
Cheers -- Mark
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 11:01
pm
Subject: Re: Kim Pederson's question
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT)
>
> Kim wanted to know about some cd's ordered, two of which, I happen to
> have. Ardem-O and Collected Endings.
> I think the sound quality sux on Ardem-O, and it's only slightly
> better on Collected Endings. 20th Century Serenades,
> on the other hand, is quite good IMO.
I agree Kim. Stephen is spot on. I couldn't figure out why a previous
post had these the other way around.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sun May 4, 1997 11:09
pm
Subject: Re: VOICEPRINT
Really-From: Mark Filipak
> Really-From: Michael A Jean
> ...
> For those of you who haven't checked it out, there is word of FIVE
> upcoming vinyl PICTURE DISCS including Rockoon, Turn of the Tides,
> Dream Mixes, Tyranny of Beauty and Goblin's Club.
Sure glad _I'm_ not a completist.