From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 11:12 pm Subject: Re: The Truth About Vic Rek Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > >Vic Rek's been makin' up stories about me. Well I have some stuff on > >him but unlike his trash talk, this is all true! > [......] > > Mark, you are wasted in the Silicon Valley... you ought to be in the > Catskills and making money with that humor of yours. I had an uncle who was buried in the Catskills Burrumpt - chessssch! Hmmm..... Burrumpt - chessssch! ..... Burrumpt - chessssch! (Chris Franke, are you paying attention?) Cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: VOICEPRINT Really-From: Matt Williams >Really-From: Michael A Jean >Thanks to all who posted the info about VOICEPRINT, which appears to be >the official TD mail order service... www.vprint.demon.co.uk >The list members are always ten steps ahead of things... >For those of you who haven't checked it out, there is word of FIVE >upcoming vinyl PICTURE DISCS including Rockoon, Turn of the Tides, >Dream Mixes, Tyranny of Beauty and Goblin's Club. >Other items include Quinoa, the OASIS video, and Sheperd's Bush >T-Shirts... >MJ I seem to be having trouble ordering stuff from them...I can't get the order form to work:((.......guess I'll miss out as usual! Matt.... MATTHEW WILLIAMS EMAIL: matt@s... 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 2:39 am Subject: Atlanta Record Show Really-From: Vic Rek Well, after revealing Mark's true identity and then having to face the truth about myself (something was wrong with that mirror today), I realized a new day had begun... I looked in my planner and I noticed I had written down 'record show'. Well, I figured, most of the time there's nothing there, but I always do find at least one item to put in my collection (plus I skipped the last show). So I grabbed my son and off we went, wondering what will it be this time. Got there an hour before they closed (good time to make deals). So I quickly browsed the bins while trying to find my son under the tables, and low and behold an hour later I had in my possession: 1. Poland - the double CD with the brown labels and greasy fingerprints also 2. Ricochet - UK LP with orignal (I think) gray labels 3. Communication - The Best of Ash Ra Tempel LP w/Klaus (very cool cover) 4. FM - Black Noise (good prog) 5. Ten Years After - A Space in Time (for a friend) Nothing to brag about, but that's not the point. It just felt good on a nice sunny cool breezy day. The irony here is that the guy that sold me the rare Ash Ra Tempel Italian compilation for merely a song, wanted $100 for a sealed LP copy of 'A Time For Heroes'. He was trying to convince me how rare this was because of the 'Meatloaf' cut! I said that maybe some crazy TD fan may fork out that much for the CD, but never for the vinyl - and off I went with my nice ART comp! Other items I came across, but passed on were: Mystery Tracks 2 - $28 Collected Endings - $25 So this is what I call TD excitement in the South. I wish we had EMMA here someday. Have a great week! Vic (and I eat okra and turnip greens too - pot liquor anyone?) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3523 Re: Atlanta Record Show Robert Grabowsky Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3560 Re: Atlanta Record Show Robert Grabowsky Tue 5/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 9:32 pm Subject: Re: VOICEPRINT Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 05:06 PM 5/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > >Thanks to all who posted the info about VOICEPRINT, which appears to be >the official TD mail order service... www.vprint.demon.co.uk > >The list members are always ten steps ahead of things... > >For those of you who haven't checked it out, there is word of FIVE >upcoming vinyl PICTURE DISCS including Rockoon, Turn of the Tides, >Dream Mixes, Tyranny of Beauty and Goblin's Club. > >Other items include Quinoa, the OASIS video, and Sheperd's Bush >T-Shirts... > >MJ > Yeah, and it would be such a good thing to have an official outlet for Tour stuff and merchandise. HOWEVER, my order for a T-shirt of two-weeks ago together with my leaving a credit card number (like a fool), and at least two e-mail inquiries remain unacknowledged and unanswered. Maybe that's the way they do business. But not with me. A simple 'we be busy' or 'drop dead' would have sufficed. Caveat emptor! Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3516 Re: VOICEPRINT Matt Williams Mon 5/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 2, 1997 6:40 pm Subject: Steve Roach Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... Dreamers Steve Roach's Quiet Music is very good and I especially like Empetus--it's great live stuff. Great for making the walls shake. Speaking of making the walls shake--you old analog synthesists may remember what happens to your insides with loud low frequencies--profound physiological effects--read run to the WC. Recently had the (mis)fortune of seeing Steve live. The low frequency rumble was so loud, I discovered I had gallstones 'cause they were loosened and blocked my bile duct--ended up in the hospital and had to have my gall bladder removed--joy. But I do have comfort in knowing it won't happen again. And I must say you-pump-em Demerol works quite well. ;-) --teiwaz (enjoy the visuals) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3553 Re: Steve Roach PNaunton@a... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 11:56 pm Subject: Re: For those who might think I have a poll up my. . . . . Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 03:58 PM 5/4/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > >May Day + 3 1997 > >COMPILATIONS > > <above? I have 'Beyond The Storm' only. I was just playing it the other day, >but that is all. My last, and only TD compilation was 'Dream Sequence' back >in '85.>> > Sorry, didn't realize you were REALLY counting. I thought you were just rounding up a complete list. If it matters, I have at least one of each of the follwowing: >Dream Sequence - > >Electronic Dreams - >Beyond The Storm - >Private Music Of . . .- >Tangents - >Dream Roots - > >Book Of Dreams - >The Collection (Castle) - >Collection - > >From Dawn 'Ti Dusk - >Dream Music - (Unauthorized) - >Dream Music 2 - (Unauthorized) - >Electronic Dreams - >The Best of . . . - >Atmospherics - > > >The Story of . . . . - >Tangerine Dream (Disky) - > Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 4, 1997 11:34 pm Subject: Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 03:57 PM 5/4/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > >In a message dated 97-05-02 04:18:58 EDT, you write: > ><< I also have a collection titled 'Ambient' (Synthetiseur) - Collectors' > Edition (3 Limited Edition Picture Discs) and the box contains: > Edgar Froese - 'Aqua,' Klaus Schulze - 'Time Wind' and > Ashra - 'Blackouts.' > >> > > Does anyone else out there think that this is an odd set of >recordings to put together and call a collection? > >Phil Naunton I sure as hell thought it was odd, especially since I paid a fortune for it, as it was listed as a 'Tangerine Dream Collection.' Just shows you how much I knew a couple of years ago. Oh, well.... but they sure are pretty. Pretty counts, no? BTW, there is a compilation/collection 'In the Beginning' a 1986 6-record set, that nobody seems to be bragging about. Andrew Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 5:27 am Subject: Little Jerome?/Dark Moog Really-From: Maxwell August Croy Hello, I have recently acquired much of the Virgin and Pink Years of TD releases on vinyl. I noticed that on Phaedra, Stratosfear, and Zeit (on the inside of the gatefold) there is a picture of a little kid or baby. I hope that this isn't a really old thread but my guess is that its little Jerome. Am I right? Does anyone know? Also, Can anyone tell me anything about the Namlook/Schulze Dark Side of the Moog releases? Are they any good? Worth buying? I need input... Danka, Maxwell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3511 Re: Little Jerome?/Dark Moog TangerineC@a... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3515 Re: Little Jerome?/Dark Moog Grant Middleton Mon 5/5/1997 3 KB 3532 Re: Little Jerome?/Dark Moog Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 5/5/1997 3 KB 3522 Re: Little Jerome?/Dark Moog TWeibre361@a... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3528 Re: Little Jerome?/Dark Moog Robert Grabowsky Mon 5/5/1997 3 KB 3531 Re: Little Jerome?/Dark Moog Marcel Engels Mon 5/5/1997 3 KB 3542 Re: Little Jerome?/Dark Moog GrafZeigen@a... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3545 Re: Little Jerome? dbrewer@a... Mon 5/5/1997 3 KB 3554 Re: Little Jerome?/Dark Moog PNaunton@a... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 6:10 am Subject: Re: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L'affaire Wallraff?' Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > ... > > > Hi Dano. Since you work for these guys, how about getting me about > > > 10 or 20 copies of 'L'affaire Wallraff?' It was released by EMI > > > France in 1991. > > > > > > Thanks in advance. -- Mark > > > > Ewwww....a challenge heh heh. Man Inside is one of the tougher one's > > to find. I can get them, however. The question is...how much do you > > want to pay for them? Since I can sell them for at least $50 each > > retail...I'm assuming you want to pay at least this amount for each? > > Bad assumption, Dano. Good parry and thrust though. I'm not a > completist and I won't lose sleep because there's one TD album I don't > have. That it can be gotten at all means you know where there's a > supply of these, and that the food chain wants $50 each -- or were you > just guessing? I'll keep cruising the used bins, thanks. > > Regards -- Mark ('And any fool knows a dog need a home,...') Heh, okay Mark. If I find one for cheaper I'll sell it cheaper. I usually prefer to trade anyway but so few have what I need (which would be Mark Shreeve items) I offer the items for $ instead, and at collector prices. Even on Rec.music.movies rare TD soundtracks can easily auction at $50-$150 (such as the Keep, etc.). At conventions they sell for high amounts as well. Well, search those used bins and with patience you will find what you need. Dannoboy From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 6:17 am Subject: What TD soundtrack do you want released the most? (poll) Really-From: Rakinik Intertype Okay, out of curiousity (and maybe for some other reasons), what unreleased TD soundtrack would everyone here like to see released the most? I've listed some of the better ones I'd like to see. What do you all think? Red Heat? The Soldier? City Of Shadows? Street Hawk? Visionquest? What do you think would sell the most? rock & roll, Dan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3510 Re: What TD soundtrack do you want released the m TangerineC@a... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3526 Re: What TD soundtrack do you want released the m Sean Montgomery Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3529 Re: What TD soundtrack do you want released the m Robert Grabowsky Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3530 Re: What TD soundtrack do you want released the m dbrewer@a... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3534 Re: What TD soundtrack do you want released the m GrafZeigen@a... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3557 Re: What TD soundtrack do you want released the m TangerineC@a... Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB 3562 Re: What TD soundtrack do you want released the m Sean Montgomery Tue 5/6/1997 3 KB 3582 Re: What TD soundtrack do you want released the m GrafZeigen@a... Tue 5/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 6:27 am Subject: Re: What TD soundtrack do you want released the most? (poll) Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-05 02:21:26 EDT, you write: >Red Heat? >The Soldier? >City Of Shadows? >Street Hawk? >Visionquest? > >What do you think would sell the most? How about Strange Behavior? That has a lot of great music in it. It's a sin it was never released. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 7:08 am Subject: Re: Little Jerome?/Dark Moog Really-From: TangerineC@a... Yes. that is Jerome in all those early TD albums. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 6:32 pm Subject: new TD releases Really-From: evolving@o... In case you are interested..... By special arrangement with Tangerine Dream, evolving discs australia have released a new edition of 'The Goblin's Club'. This edition features a new track 'Fort Worth Runway One'. As this CD is a special Australian release it will not be available in stores - it will only be available from the band themselves, in Australian stores or via the evolving discs website. Evolving Discs also have available the new Tangerine Dream release 'Oasis', which is the soundtrack to the acclaimed nature movie. Track listing as follows: 'Flashflood', 'Zion', 'Reflections', 'Cliff Dwellers', 'Waterborne', 'Cedar Breaks', 'Summer Storm', Hopi Mesa Heart'. These CDs can be ordered from the following web site: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~evolving/evdist.html Cheers. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 4:18 pm Subject: Re: Chris Franke Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: AslanFan1@a... > > Any body ever tried to receive Chris Franke's newsletter? I was on his > mailing list waaaaaay back when he first started sonic images. I got a really > cool newsletter and some interesting post cards. But then, I never heard from > them again. I've tried a couple of times to get back on the list via his > website but I never hear anything. Any ideas on what's up? I don't know of > any subscription fee or whatever. Same thing happened to me I requested the news letter waited an eternity gave up and then recieved some cool info, posters and post cards and then nothing ever again. I remember the newsletter promising a tour (including UK) in 1995. Of course it never happened, still waiting. Anyone on the list seen C.F in concert post TD? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 9:58 am Subject: Re: Brick Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Matt Williams > I have always been blowing the trumpet of an album called 76:14 > by Global Communication..... If you like Schmoelling era TD, just buy it, OK ? You won't regret it. Some bugger pilfered my copy. BTW, I'm no relation to Tom Middleton of Global Comms, just in case you thought I was his cousin. :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 9:58 am Subject: Re: Little Jerome?/Dark Moog Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Maxwell August Croy > > Hello, > I have recently acquired much of the Virgin and Pink Years of TD releases > on vinyl. I noticed that on Phaedra, Stratosfear, and Zeit (on the inside > of the gatefold) there is a picture of a little kid or baby. I hope that > this isn't a really old thread but my guess is that its little Jerome. Am > I right? Does anyone know? Yeah, it's Jerome, and the theme continues at least until Tangram (on the vinyl inside sleeve). The worst (best ? You sick puppy !) picture is on the inside of 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale'. It features a full- length picture of a young stark-naked Jerome holding big feathery things. Makes me uncomfortable. Now, Linda in the same pose. Welllll..... > Also, > Can anyone tell me anything about the Namlook/Schulze Dark Side of the > Moog releases? Are they any good? Worth buying? I need input... I personally dislike DSOTM 1. I was expecting lovely analogue stuff like Timewind or Mirage, but it turned out to be a mish-mash of abstract sounds combined with some typical Namlook drum 'n' sequencer stuff. Uninspired. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3532 Re: Little Jerome?/Dark Moog Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 5/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: VOICEPRINT Really-From: Matt Williams >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >At 05:06 PM 5/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Really-From: Michael A Jean >> >> >> >>Thanks to all who posted the info about VOICEPRINT, which appears to be >>the official TD mail order service... www.vprint.demon.co.uk >> >>The list members are always ten steps ahead of things... >> >>For those of you who haven't checked it out, there is word of FIVE >>upcoming vinyl PICTURE DISCS including Rockoon, Turn of the Tides, >>Dream Mixes, Tyranny of Beauty and Goblin's Club. >> >>Other items include Quinoa, the OASIS video, and Sheperd's Bush >>T-Shirts... >> >>MJ >> >Yeah, and it would be such a good thing to have an official outlet >for Tour stuff and merchandise. >HOWEVER, my order for a T-shirt of two-weeks ago together with >my leaving a credit card number (like a fool), and at least two >e-mail inquiries remain unacknowledged and unanswered. >Maybe that's the way they do business. But not with me. >A simple 'we be busy' or 'drop dead' would have sufficed. >Caveat emptor! >Andrew Same here! I have written to them twice asking if I can order this way it doesn't seem to work from the web page for me....I havn't had any replies from them either! Matt..... MATTHEW WILLIAMS EMAIL: matt@s... 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 10:21 am Subject: Re: Linda Spa Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > >On the fotos of the new 'Goblin Club'-CD Linda was eleminated. She became an un-person ! Looks like we've just lost 13 years ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 11:10 am Subject: Correction: Re: Cd's on order Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hi, I have said: > > 9) Tangerine Dream - Shepherd's Bush [UK/LtdEd2TrkCD] .... $ 18.95 > I don't have it. Dont buy it, Sorry, I've meade a mistake. I thought this to be a bootleg, and I forgot it's the limited 2000 copies Shepherd's bush special CD. It¡s an official release with only two traks on it. ---FSC From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 1:16 pm Subject: Re: Pearls be4 swine (was: EMMA lock-outs + CF signature sound) Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-05-04 05:51:10 EDT, you write: << Maybe someone thinks we're has-beens? (were that true! - I never really made an impact inmy earlier days ) Pearls before swine perhaps?? (not meant in any derogatory fashion whatsoever ) >> speaking of has beens...anyone know what happened to pearls before swine? just curious, tom w np: shulze goes classical Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3555 Re: Pearls be4 swine (was: EMMA lock-outs + CF si PNaunton@a... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 1:28 pm Subject: Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-05-04 16:02:27 EDT, you write: << Does anyone else out there think that this is an odd set of recordings to put together and call a collection? >> not really...there is a common thread...and its a nifty package...why would u find it odd? tom w np: fripp + eno - no pussyfooting From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 1:47 pm Subject: LINDA SPA Really-From: Michael A Jean I think a page would be very nice.... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 1:57 pm Subject: Re: Little Jerome?/Dark Moog Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-05-05 01:32:55 EDT, you write: << Can anyone tell me anything about the Namlook/Schulze Dark Side of the Moog releases? Are they any good? Worth buying? I need input... Danka, Maxwell >> they are up to dsotm V...they also include bill laswell...thematically, they are all pretty alike, but who has the most influence on the recording varies...i would say that I to III are more namlook influenced, with IV and V more schulzian...laswell's bass is more pronounced on the latter ones also...personally, i would get I and V, see how u feel and go from there...are they worth owning? imo, yes.... tom w np: cee mix - home is where the bass is From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 2:41 pm Subject: Re: Atlanta Record Show Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Hey Vic , I will sell you my sealed copy for a mere $75. What a DEAL!!!!!! Robert At 02:39 AM 5/5/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: Vic Rek wanted $100 for a >sealed LP copy of 'A Time For Heroes'. He was trying to convince me how >rare this was because of the 'Meatloaf' cut! > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 3:12 pm Subject: Re: For those who might think I have a poll up my. . . . . Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-04 19:03:24 EDT, you write: << > Collection (Another one - appears to be bootish) - 2 > Atmospherics (Isn't this a boot, too?) - 2 > Tangerine Dream (Disky) {Another Boot?} - 2 Nope. These are all three, comps >> 'Nuff said! Thanks for the information. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 3:11 pm Subject: Re: Linda Spa Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-04 16:22:50 EDT, you write: << She may have withheld her permission. The same may be true of any song she has an interest in. -- Mark >> Why would she have done that after the fact, Mark? More importantly, how could she have done that after the fact. Does this mean that any reissues of TD with Chris Franke, for example, could be forced to be issued without those songs? Alot of empty discs would be released!! Of course, maybe his contract didn't read as Linda's did. Personally, I think is is a conspiracy, cooked up by somebody, to get me to buy another copy of 'Goblins' Club' to get that one song. I'm not paranoid. Everybody _is_ out to get me!! Phil Naunton Sheepish P.S. - Does anyone know where I can get this issue of Goblins' Club? I don't know how to look for it on the net. I don't want to get the wrong one. [Maybe they should call it 'Goblins' Club 1.5'] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 2:47 pm Subject: Re: What TD soundtrack do you want released the most? (poll) Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Okay, out of curiousity (and maybe for some other reasons), what > unreleased TD soundtrack would everyone here like to see released the > most? The Keep! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'There is no gravity...the planet sucks' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 3:12 pm Subject: Re: Phil's Poll - To continue - - - - Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-04 18:13:33 EDT, you write: << > In a message dated 97-05-02 04:18:58 EDT, you write: > > << I also have a collection titled 'Ambient' (Synthetiseur) - > Collectors' Edition (3 Limited Edition Picture Discs) and the box > contains: Edgar Froese - 'Aqua,' Klaus Schulze - 'Time Wind' and > Ashra - 'Blackouts.' > >> > > Does anyone else out there think that this is an odd set of > recordings to put together and call a collection? Not I. Seems very desirable to me. -- Mark >> I can't argue with desirability, but I am having a hard time with the impetus to produce a collection with these three different types of recordings. Is there a connection I am not getting? Each one is very good on its own, but as a matched set........? Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 3:12 pm Subject: Re: Little Jerome?/Dark Moog Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Maxwell, Yes I believe that is Jerome.As for the Dark Side of the Moog series I would tell you to buy them all.I have DSOM 3&5 and I am waiting on DSOM 1. I Enjoy them very much and i am working on getting the rest of them as money permits. Robert At 05:27 AM 5/5/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: Maxwell August Croy > > >Hello, >I have recently acquired much of the Virgin and Pink Years of TD releases >on vinyl. I noticed that on Phaedra, Stratosfear, and Zeit (on the inside >of the gatefold) there is a picture of a little kid or baby. I hope that >this isn't a really old thread but my guess is that its little Jerome. Am >I right? Does anyone know? >Also, >Can anyone tell me anything about the Namlook/Schulze Dark Side of the >Moog releases? Are they any good? Worth buying? I need input... >Danka, >Maxwell > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 3:18 pm Subject: Re: What TD soundtrack do you want released the most? (poll) Really-From: Robert Grabowsky The Soldier gets my bid.I have StreetHawk but only remember the theme being repeated and I have not seen the others. Robert At 06:17 AM 5/5/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > >Okay, out of curiousity (and maybe for some other reasons), what >unreleased TD soundtrack would everyone here like to see released the >most? I've listed some of the better ones I'd like to see. What do you >all think? > >Red Heat? >The Soldier? >City Of Shadows? >Street Hawk? >Visionquest? > >What do you think would sell the most? > >rock & roll, > >Dan > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 3:15 pm Subject: Re: What TD soundtrack do you want released the most? (poll) Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Rakinik Intertype > > Okay, out of curiousity (and maybe for some other reasons), what > unreleased TD soundtrack would everyone here like to see released the > most? I've listed some of the better ones I'd like to see. I'd have to say Rainbow Drive or Streethawk (tho l don't recall much of the latter). While we're at it, how 'bout a reissue of The Man Inside? Silva Screen did a good job with Heartbreakers, so I think they should do TMI as well... Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 3:47 pm Subject: Re: Little Jerome?/Dark Moog Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Maxwell August Croy > > Hello, > I have recently acquired much of the Virgin and Pink Years of TD releases > on vinyl. I noticed that on Phaedra, Stratosfear, and Zeit (on the inside > of the gatefold) there is a picture of a little kid or baby. I hope that > this isn't a really old thread but my guess is that its little Jerome. Am > I right? Does anyone know? Yes, it's him > Also, > Can anyone tell me anything about the Namlook/Schulze Dark Side of the > Moog releases? Are they any good? Worth buying? I need input... > Danka, I like them very much. I got all 5 of them on the original FAX label. (2000 copies). I think the first one is the best. It all starts very strange then chords come in and later Pete Namlook starts his sequencers. Ambient-stuff at its best! Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 11:02 am Subject: Re: Little Jerome?/Dark Moog Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 10:58 AM 5/5/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' [......] >I personally dislike DSOTM 1. I was expecting lovely analogue stuff >like Timewind or Mirage, but it turned out to be a mish-mash of >abstract sounds combined with some typical Namlook drum 'n' sequencer >stuff. Uninspired. Those of you who have been around for a while may remember that last year I stated that Namlook sounds suicidal on DSOTM1. Well, just shows you how much I know... he is still alive and they (with Klaus) have made more of the same stuff. 'Uninspired' is a kind word... more like pretentious. And boring. Any of the later DSOTMs better? I would be amazed. But I wish. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 4:55 pm Subject: Heartbreakers Really-From: TangerineC@a... Is there a difference between the original Heartbreakers and the one that was reissued? If so, what is the difference? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3535 Re: Heartbreakers dbrewer@a... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3538 Re: Heartbreakers Rakinik Intertype Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 5189 Heartbreakers Michael A Jean Thu 6/19/1997 2 KB 34327 Heartbreakers Paul Lawler Fri 6/14/2002 4 KB 34347 Re: Heartbreakers Dennis Nigbur Sat 6/15/2002 6 KB 34328 Re: Heartbreakers Paul Lawler Fri 6/14/2002 5 KB 34330 Re: Heartbreakers Armin Theissen Fri 6/14/2002 6 KB 34332 Re: Heartbreakers Armin Theissen Fri 6/14/2002 7 KB 34348 Re: Heartbreakers James Horecka, AIA Sun 6/16/2002 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 5:15 pm Subject: Re: What TD soundtrack do you want released the most? (poll) Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-05 11:20:54 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Okay, out of curiousity (and maybe for some other reasons), what > unreleased TD soundtrack would everyone here like to see released the > most? The Keep! >> agree...spooky film....spooky music - let's make 'em release it! Graf Zeigen From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 5:41 pm Subject: Re: Heartbreakers Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: TangerineC@a... > > > Is there a difference between the original Heartbreakers and the one that was > reissued? If so, what is the difference? > The only difference that I know of is the cover artwork. Everything else is the same (I think). Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 5:47 pm Subject: D:())(())(()'Goblins' Club'())(())(() Really-From: PNaunton@a... May 6, 1997 LATE AGAIN!! I just haven't had the inclination to get into these added titles, but here goes. I like the music of 'Goblins' Club' but it doesn't have that 'meld with your psyche' type of enjoyment potential that some other TD titles have. Comparisons here are perhaps unfair, so I'm not going to make any. Some of the more classic TD recordings have a capability of pulling you into the music, to the point that one feels that one is a member of the group making the music. It becomes an organic experience, complex and transitional in its immediacy, no matter how many times you listen to it. The real difficulty for me is that elements of this phenomenon are _in_ 'Goblins' Club'; as plain as the nose on your face. BUT, in the same way that a bubble can burst just as you are getting it to the size that you want, GC collapses in on itself on practically every song; failing to realize its own potential. This is as frustrating as hell for me. The tunes are extremely polished, very well constructed, enjoyable to the max. But here we are; teetering on the brink of success, and never making it. Sometimes I feel like _I_ could take this tape into the studio and edit out all the dross, put in a climax or two and make this whole endeavor into a masterpiece. It's that close. Mind you, I don't have a fraction of the talent of these guys. And I'm full of shite if I think I can do any better. I'm in some big hurt here, though. And then there is 'Sad Merlin's Sunday', Talk about Attention Defecit Disorder! Excuse me, but weren't they supposed to be composing a piece of music here? All I hear is several attempts at different introductions and a stumblingly feeble disaster of a conclusion that just can't seem to end. Am I being too hard? I Don't Think So. Sigh! Oh well, maybe next time! Favourite tracks - 'Toward The Evening Star' comes closer than any others. - 'Elf June And The Midnight Patrol' an interesting change of pace. My cat likes the opening of 'Lamb With Radar Eyes' he tries to get into one of the speakers during this part. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3596 Re: D:())(())(()'Goblins' Club'())(())(() Dennis Nigbur Tue 5/6/1997 3 KB 3616 Re: D:())(())(()'Goblins' Club'())(())(() PNaunton@a... Tue 5/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 5:47 pm Subject: D:~~()~~'Rumpelstiltskin'~~()~~ Really-From: PNaunton@a... May 6, 1997 Special thanks to Alan Cox, without whose help this fine, fine review would not be possible. Take a bow, Alan. I really have a problem with this story. Why would any woman marry a man, King or otherwise, who threatened to kill her if she did not spin straw into Gold. Hardly a way to develop trust and emotional warmth. And then are we to believe that the King never again asked the woman to spin any more Gold after the marriage? Let's get real here. Of course this is a _Fairy Tale_ so suspension of disbelief is in order. But, we're here to talk about music. OK, OK, I'm supposed to believe that all this keyboard filligree stuff is performed by Jerome and/or Edgar? Have they been hiding their light under a bushel all these years? I was betting this was stuff done by Paul Haslinger, years ago. Maybe some of that rubbed off onto Edgar. Of course this is a _Fairy Tale_ so suspension of disbelief is in order. Neat idea, from my point of view at least, the way the producers have separated the story from the music. It is interesting to hear the music alone _and_ with the story. I does give one ponder, as to how these things are put together. I wonder which was done first; the reading or the music. Favourite tracks: 'Alchemy of Straw', 'Rumpel Town', 'Walk Through The Woods' (This really is a nifty little piano piece - nice job!) Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 5:54 pm Subject: Re: Heartbreakers Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > Is there a difference between the original Heartbreakers and the one that was > reissued? If so, what is the difference? The original german pressing had a really boring cover (I'm sure you've seen it right heh). Actually, the second release was remastered and there is a considerable difference if you are an audiophile. I personally think the second issue sounds quite better. Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 5:53 pm Subject: SBMs, Paul Nagle Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Really-From: TangerineC@a... >I recently saw Tangram with the original red cover instead of >the old purple >one. Obviously it was rereleased. But has the music on the new >Tangram been remastered? -- All of the TD regular releases (but not all soundtracks) have been released in remastered editions: the pink and blue years by castle and the virgin years as SBMs by virgin (I finally broke down and bought the ones I was missing; hey, the pound was down substantially before the election! :-). Sadly not all are readily available in the US... (like I really needed that excuse? :-)... ----------------------- >Subject: Paul Nagle's Skyrider >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' >Has anyone on the list (other than Paul :) heard this disc ? >I've just DL'ed the WAV of 'On Mercury's Wings' from the album >from Paul's home page and it sounds bloody great ! -- I haven't heard Skyrider yet but Paul sent me copies Firedancer and Earthshaper. I think they're great and I will definitely be getting more! Lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 5:53 pm Subject: phil's poll addendum Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> OK Phil I remembered some other comps I have: Dream music 1 cd Dream music 2 cd The Story of Tangerine Dream cd & vinyl Tangents promo (hey, Stephen brought it up! and it is a comp!) cd (2 copies; anyone want to trade?) lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3564 Re: phil's poll addendum PNaunton@a... Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 5:53 pm Subject: Silva CDs; a report from the trenches Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dano First of all, my apologies if my first reply sounded terse; I realize you were trying to help and trying to confirm the availability of the silva screen CDs. My intention was not to start a flame war; nevertheless your report and replies stand at odds with the data/'facts': >Well, first off, Ford Thaxton is a CD (soundtrack) producer[...] -- Thanks, but it's not a name I am particularly interested in (nor is Edgar I'm sure :-) I still haven't looked for his name in the liner notes... >If anyone would know about the Silva CD's, it'd be him [Thaxton]. -- Perhaps... But somehow I just can't believe a producer has his fingers IN the whole distribution network -- maybe Silva is small enough for him to do this (is Silva a one-man operation?) but Thaxton obviously isn't connected to the bottom of the food chain! **GO** to a record store in the US and try to buy all of these soundtracks! So as a source, he still lacks credibility as far as I am concerned. I don't care what someone in The Music Business SAYS ...[deleted comment about the integrity of some people in the music biz]...-- all I care about is what the people in The Business DO: release the music and put it on the shelves/in the bins so that I can buy it and listen to it. I know I'm not the only one on tadream who feels this way. --I reported my original post on this subject from the trenches (we're running out of bullets!); you are a quartermaster reporting from a general's tent (oh yeah, we've got lots of bullets; just fill out these forms in triplicate...). This leads to a big difference in how things are perceived. Maybe this stuff is available to YOU but please don't universalize your own position for the rest of us. But thank you for letting us know where we CAN find it; that sort of information IS appreciated! >How am I giving anyone a false sense of >security? Why would you assume that I'm talking out of my $%^? -- #1 I never ASSumed you were 'talking out of [your] $%^' but my *experience* in the trenches tells me what you/Thaxton had to say is substantially wrong, it's that simple. While we're on the subject, however, why would *you* assume that my experience looking for this stuff doesn't count for shit? -- #2 To the best of my knowledge, TD is not a band that generates pressings in the 6 figures... Nor do they have a massive base of fans buying their releases (how many concerts were sold out on this tour?). That has a hell of a lot to do with availability. The Silva releases are NOT the mainstream/most well known/most 'publicized' TD releases (let alone not all being 'authorized' releases) and are even less likely to be widely carried. Because they are neither the most widely known nor are they widely distributed releases, they can't be big profit makers; therefore it is less likely that they will stay in print for a considerable length of time (Thaxton ain't in the charity biz). Like I said, how many times have we (fans) kicked ourselves for passing on something one month and finding it gone and out of print the next month? Just how many of the SBM/remastered editions are available 'on the street' in the US (still/at all) and how many have already gone out of print??! I've gotten about 30-40 SBMs here for people on the list in the US who can't find them--and these SBM editions ARE the mainstream releases. -- I think you, Dano, ARE giving people a false sense of security by telling us not to worry, that the silva releases 'will be around for awhile' -- based on what a producer told you -- when IN FACT all of the Silva stuff IS NOT as readily available on the street (US) now as you imply but primarily available TO you/your company/s and to your client-dealers. Edgar says that things will be forthcoming all the time but how often does it really happen? He's the artist, he's a businessman, he's his own *producer*, he has his label (TDI), he should be THE SOURCE but why does stuff still fail to materialize time and time again???!!! He says they have a new release coming out this summer. Any bets on whether we will see it before Christmas? And *when* is Oasis really going to hit the streets? The ONLY REPUTABLE AUTHORITY is aristotelian experience: what I can see, touch, hear, and find available in the bins; the rest is unsubstantiated RUMOR--whatever its source. There are fans/people on this list who are lucky if the record stores in their town even know who the hell Tangerine Dream is, let alone stock some of the lesser-know releases like the Silva CDs!!! For them (and sometimes for me), mail-order services like yours can be great--especially when they know what is available through you and what is not and will not be available to them locally. [...] > I just thought I would help the NG by spreading > information that most of you do not have access to. [...] -- As was I tyring to help by bringing this subject up. We all appreciate 'information' and I acknowledge the fact that you were trying to help. Still, this information is second hand at best and must be treated as hearsay until proven otherwise (just as what I reported should be considered hearsay until proven otherwise by *actual experience*). [>]>Most of them haven't been accessible in the US for years anyway -- if ever! >>Perhaps I am wrong, but I think you are giving people >>a false sense of security about these things... >So, now you know who Ford is, now you know you were wrong. -- Me wrong? I'm never 'wrong' ;-) Just to clarify: the introductory clause in my second sentence ('perhaps I am wrong') was an independent clause referring to the previous sentence (a 'transition'). It did not refer to the opinion subsequently expressed in that sentence; I apologize for any ambiguity. But, since we're on the subject, you think I'm wrong about **what? ** In my first post, I reported what I had learned through **experience** and inquiries: 'experience' isn't wrong, it might be subjective, it might be an hallucination, it might be ambiguous, it might lead one to make incorrect conclusions but it cannot be 'wrong' per se. Further, in my second post, I expressed my subjective **opinion,** that you were misleading people. If you think an opinion is 'wrong,' well... that seems, at the very least, pretty intolerant and misguided but, again, that is just MY OPINION. Maybe you missed Craig C's well-argued post on this very topic last month? I'm sure he or someone else could forward a copy to you on request. -- Dano, you seem to suggest these CDs are readily available--you, yourself, admit this to be a 'fact' relayed to you by Thaxton--but that 'fact' [ie: not really a fact] is contradicted by the evidence: they are not readily available. *That* is what it means to be wrong and to suggest otherwise IS to be misleading. These CDs are available only from a *few* sources and only if one knows where to look. [...] >Since I work for them I can do that, heh. This may sound like a >commercial but here goes: Super Collector [...] -- hmmmm, that answers a few questions... >Since we deal directly with Silva and Ford (their producer) we >can get the silva titles easier than most distributors. -- Like I said, you are not down in the trenches. When you speak from the authority of your company's position and suggest that these CDs are/will continue to be available: 1) You fail to divulge your own material interests in the matter (ever think about a career in politics?). It's not that I care if your company makes money or that you advertise the stuff on this list, IMO you just should have said so up front--tell us YOUR company has them in stock (you did say who had them) and that YOUR company has a bedroom deal with the producer to get them (you didn't say this the first time and this is the sort of information we can use)--but don't imply that every other company/record store can get/will have these CDs because it is simply NOT the case. 2) You mislead the fans/listees who cannot readily find this stuff by giving them the idea (from a *supposedly* irrefutable source) that the Silva titles will either be available locally or that the single copy on the shelf at the corner record store will be readily replaced should that one get sold (thus my original response defending my exhortation to buy now or cry later). 3) You universalize your own idiosyncratic circumstances for everyone else on this list. --Like I said in my first response, maybe these CDs are stocked up in some_ONE's_ warehouse (we now know which one it is) but they are NOT on the streets and they are NOT readily available to the average buyer!! I hope everyone who wants these CDs orders them from your company while they are still available ... but they shouldn't expect to find all of them widely available locally (at least not in the US and only somewhat in the UK). I stand by my posts 100%! :-P Lars PS: I went to the Virgin Megastore Sunday (the biggest record store in London and used here only as an example; I've been to at least 30-40 other stores with the same question) and pressed them on the availability of the Silva Screen edition of Shy People (to take but one example), here is what they and their computer said (again): Shy People (Edelton), CD: 'out of print'; 'item unavailable' Shy People (Silva Screen), CD: 'out of print'; 'item unavailable' You/Thaxton said the TD silva cds will be available for 'awhile'; that's rather vague and what you/Thaxton didn't tell us was how long 'awhile' was: a month? 6 months? a year? 6 years? or whether Thaxton said some/any were out of print or if some/any would be out of print in the near future. Maybe you would care to clarify this point? Is Silva a one-man operation? Can he just order/make small runs to suit specific distribution deals/fill orders? Is that what he means by being around for 'awhile'? While you're at it, maybe you could also ask Thaxton why DSP, DC, and SP, for example, aren't widely carried (if at all) by the major distributors in the US? And why SP, for example, is no longer available/and apparently out of print in the UK? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3547 Re: Silva CDs; a report from the trenches TangerineC@a... Mon 5/5/1997 2 KB 3558 Re: Silva CDs; a report from the trenches David Datta Tue 5/6/1997 6 KB 3601 Re: Silva CDs; a report from the trenches PNaunton@a... Tue 5/6/1997 4 KB 3606 Re: Silva CDs; a report from the trenches Rakinik Intertype Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB 3607 Re: Silva CDs; a report from the trenches Rakinik Intertype Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB 3626 Re: Silva CDs; a report from the trenches Rakinik Intertype Wed 5/7/1997 2 KB 3657 Re: Silva CDs; a report from the trenches Hermes Guzman Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 7:13 pm Subject: Re: Little Jerome?/Dark Moog Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-05 01:32:55 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Maxwell August Croy Hello, I have recently acquired much of the Virgin and Pink Years of TD releases on vinyl. I noticed that on Phaedra, Stratosfear, and Zeit (on the inside of the gatefold) there is a picture of a little kid or baby. I hope that this isn't a really old thread but my guess is that its little Jerome. Am I right? Does anyone know? >> As several have verified that the photo is Jerome....does anyone know for sure if Jerome appeared as a 'sample sound' on several TD albums? There are what seem to me to be children or 'playground' sounds at the beginning of 'Mysterious Semblance At The Strand Of Nightmares' (Phaedra) that I've always suspected was Jerome. Also, is it just my imagination, or isn't there a baby or child crying somewhere on some album that is probably Jerome? I don't have time to search for it. Thanks. Graf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3545 Re: Little Jerome? dbrewer@a... Mon 5/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 8:33 pm Subject: Re: Aqua/Timewind/Blackouts Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > > << I also have a collection titled 'Ambient' (Synthetiseur) - > > Collectors' Edition (3 Limited Edition Picture Discs) and the box > > contains: Edgar Froese - 'Aqua,' Klaus Schulze - 'Time Wind' and > > Ashra - 'Blackouts.' > [...] I am having a hard time with > the impetus to produce a collection with these three different types of > recordings. Is there a connection I am not getting? Each one is very good > on its own, but as a matched set........? > > Phil Naunton The connections are: 1st the virgin label. 2nd Klaus Schulze played with both musicians - 1970 with Froese 'Electronic Meditation' as TD - 1971 with Manuel Goettsching (MG is Ashra at the time of Blackouts) as Ash Ra Tempel - 71-73 with MG as 'Cosmic Jokers' - 81 with MG as 'Richard Wahnfried' etc... Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3566 Re: Aqua/Timewind/Blackouts PNaunton@a... Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB 3580 Re: Aqua/Timewind/Blackouts Vic Rek Tue 5/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 8:42 pm Subject: Re: Dark Moog Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > Those of you who have been around for a while may remember > that last year I stated that Namlook sounds suicidal on DSOTM1. > > Well, just shows you how much I know... he is still alive and they > (with Klaus) have made more of the same stuff. > > 'Uninspired' is a kind word... more like pretentious. And > boring. > > Any of the later DSOTMs better? I would be amazed. But I wish. > > Andrew I own DSOTM I,II,IV &V and a remix of DSOTM III part V on 'the essential mix show mixed by SNAP!'. IMO DSOTM I is the worst CD of this set, if you like KS 95/96 or Wahnfried 95 then try first IV and then V. They are much better then DSOTM I. Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3561 Re: Dark Moog Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 5/6/1997 3 KB 3612 Re: Dark Moog Ken Alexander Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB 3621 Re: Dark Moog Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 5/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 8:54 pm Subject: Re: Little Jerome? Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: GrafZeigen@a... > > As several have verified that the photo is Jerome....does anyone know for > sure if Jerome appeared as a 'sample sound' on several TD albums? There are > what seem to me to be children or 'playground' sounds at the beginning of > 'Mysterious Semblance At The Strand Of Nightmares' (Phaedra) that I've always > suspected was Jerome. I seem to recall the TDIFC newsletter saying somewhere that Jerome was not one of the children in the playground noise at the end of 'Phaedra' (or the beginning of 'Mysterious...', depending on which release you own). Also, is it just my imagination, or isn't there a baby > or child crying somewhere on some album that is probably Jerome? I don't > have time to search for it. Thanks. Hmmmm. I don't recall hearing a child crying in any of my TD CD's. Maybe I'll have to spend a week or two listening to all of them and try to locate this piece. :-) It's probably one of the older releases, right? Or maybe it's on a Froese album... Probably one of the ones I don't have... Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 9:21 pm Subject: Oasis vid/doing the HAPPY DANCE! Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... Just got my Oasis video in the mail from Camera One in Seattle. It only took about a week (+a few days). As excited as I was about this...I was even more surprised upon opening the package to find that the cover was actually autographed by.......... EDGAR AND JEROME!!! I can't believe it! Somebody assure me this isn't a hoax! I'm doin' the happy dance!!!!!!!! I may send to Australia for the CD next. Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 9:47 pm Subject: Re: Silva CDs; a report from the trenches Really-From: TangerineC@a... What does Thaxton have to say about all this???? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 5:49 am Subject: Phil's poll Really-From: ajogon@m... I forgot to include (echo again... ) Atmospherics Dream Sequence The Collection (made in France) The Best of Tangerine Dream Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 5:44 am Subject: Re: Linda Spa Really-From: ajogon@m... Phil Naunton wrote: >Sheepish P.S. - Does anyone know where I can get this issue of >Goblins' Club? I don't know how to look for it on the net. I don't want to >get the wrong one. Today someone mentioned already an Australian site where you can find that version of GC. I can add another one, from Europe. Cue Records NL seems to have BOTH versions of GC in their on-line catalog. Take a look at http://mcs.nl/cue/cue_cds.html The Oasis CD is also listed there. Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 10:05 pm Subject: Re: TD in the R&R HoF Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> Of course, this depends on whether people think TD belongs in the Hall >> of Fame. . . >Is that supposed to be a question? Well, some people think that the Hall is a lot of BS, and is antithetical to the spirit of rock. That's why I asked. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 10:15 pm Subject: RE : EMMA lock-outs and Voiceprint Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Really-From: Paul Nagle >As for an EMMA concert - I don't think they'd allow me to play..... >not sure why.....I've tried to get on the bill for the last four years >with no success.... >8-( >Paul >Really-From: ashok prema >Me too!! Some of us old stalwarts don't get a look in nowadays!! Maybe >someone thinks we're has-beens? (were that true! - I never really made >an impact inmy earlier days ) Naaa....You guys aren't old has-beens (even if Ash is gettin' on a bit...). Our trick was to pester Mick until he got sick of us ringing up about interviews in his magazine and then about the concert. >I never really made an impact in my earlier days Yes, you did Ash. You got a write-up in Electronics and Music Maker in 1985 after your UK Electronica set. I've got the article downstairs if anyone's interested in seeing the piece.... :) >Pearls before swine perhaps?? (not meant in any derogatory fashion whatsoever Ooooohhhh! Ash. First trick of selling to the public. Never insult the customer... :) Even if they deserve it! Tsk! Tsk! RE : Voiceprint : other folk have registered problems with them. We asked if they'd be interested in handling our disc (twice) and then tried to get some information on an Ultravox 'live' disc that they were supposed to be carrying. None of these messages were ever acknowledged. This guy lives locally to us - Houghton-Le-Spring is about fifteen miles or so down the road - so I'll see if we can dig up some more on him. Maybe he's just rushed off his feet... Cheers David email : dhughes@g... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 10:20 pm Subject: Re: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L'affaire Wallraff?' Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-05 02:14:07 EDT, you write: << Heh, okay Mark. If I find one for cheaper I'll sell it cheaper. I usually prefer to trade anyway but so few have what I need (which would be Mark Shreeve items) I offer the items for $ instead, and at collector prices. Even on Rec.music.movies rare TD soundtracks can easily auction at $50-$150 (such as the Keep, etc.). I've got 'The Keep'! Anyone want 'The Keep'.? What am I bid? 'Mea Culpa', NO WAIT, that's, 'Caveat Emptor!'. Ahem, err, yes, that's it. ! Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3559 What's 'Kaleidoscope?' Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB 3565 Re: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L Plumer, Scott Tue 5/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 10:19 pm Subject: Re: Steve Roach Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-05 00:20:09 EDT, you write: << Recently had the (mis)fortune of seeing Steve live. The low frequency rumble was so loud, I discovered I had gallstones 'cause they were loosened and blocked my bile duct--ended up in the hospital and had to have my gall bladder removed--joy. But I do have comfort in knowing it won't happen again. And I must say you-pump-em Demerol works quite well. ;-) --teiwaz (enjoy the visuals) >> Let's see! Should you bill Mr. Roach for initiating the surgery? Or should you pay him for the assist in improving your general health. Maybe you should have gone to a few more concerts and had the stones broken into smaller pieces so they could have been passed. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 10:18 pm Subject: Re: Little Jerome?/Dark Moog Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-05 01:32:55 EDT, you write: << I have recently acquired much of the Virgin and Pink Years of TD releases on vinyl. I noticed that on Phaedra, Stratosfear, and Zeit (on the inside of the gatefold) there is a picture of a little kid or baby. I hope that this isn't a really old thread but my guess is that its little Jerome. Am I right? Does anyone know? Yep. it's Jerome all right! Edgar and Monique put pictures of him on many of the early recordings. Edgar still is today, actually. (For some reason!?) Can anyone tell me anything about the Namlook/Schulze Dark Side of the Moog releases? Are they any good? Worth buying? I need input... Danka, Maxwell >> I own a couple of these and like them, but I hesitate to give them an unqualified recommendation to the world at large. It's definately not TD stuff. If you like Klaus Schulze, you would probably like it. It's pretty loose. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 10:21 pm Subject: Re: Pearls be4 swine (was: EMMA lock-outs + CF signature sound) Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-05 09:25:25 EDT, you write: << speaking of has beens...anyone know what happened to pearls before swine? just curious, tom w >> If you're speaking of Tom Rapp, as far as I know they grew up, got out of the music business, and went into politics; another haphazard occupation. Don't quote me on that, it's just a vague recollection. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 10:26 pm Subject: Re: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L'affaire Wallraf f?' Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> > Since I work for them I can do that, heh. This may sound like a >> > commercial but here goes: Super Collector has been in business for >> > over 4 years. We specialize in rare or out of print soundtracks > >> Hi Dano. Since you work for these guys, how about getting me about 10 >> or 20 copies of 'L'affaire Wallraff?' It was released by EMI France in >> 1991. >Ewwww....a challenge heh heh. Man Inside is one of the tougher one's to >find. I can get them, however. The question is...how much do you want to >pay for them? Since I can sell them for at least $50 each retail...I'm >assuming you want to pay at least this amount for each? You want a challenge? How about one copy of the original ST to 'The Keep' on vinyl? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3608 Re: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L Rakinik Intertype Tue 5/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 9:41 pm Subject: Re: What TD soundtrack do you want released the most? (poll) Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-05 13:28:01 EDT, you write: << The Keep! >> agree...spooky film....spooky music - let's make 'em release it! >> Hey!! I'll say it once again. Strange Behavior is very scary music. In my opinion, one of there best soundtracks, along with Legend. Beats The Keep in the spooky level, ten times over. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 12:20 am Subject: Re: Silva CDs; a report from the trenches Really-From: David Datta : Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I'm going to respond to some points in this discussion. I want to say up front, buy the discs as soon as you can in any case. Nothing is available forever and eventually, everything does go out of print. This really has nothing to do with the flaming below. : 1) You fail to divulge your own material interests... Lars, chill out! You are making much more of this than it needs to be. First off, Dano gave several sources, not just the company for which he works. Go ahead and order from somewhere else. If Supercollector can get the discs, chances are a good mom & pop store can also special order the same titles. No 'bedroom deals' needed. Supercollector just happens to specialize in soundtracks and they know the proper distributors & places to order things from. It doesn't matter if he works for them, they sell the titles, you said they were scarce, he checked & was told by the folks at the label not to worry yet. : sort of information we can use)--but don't imply that every other : company/record store can get/will have these CDs because it is simply NOT : the case. Please give up on this 'Tower says it's out of print, therefore it is' thing. Tower records and their ilk simply don't care about getting ahold of stuff not sold by their normal distribution channels and they usually don't have the know-how to do so. SOMETIMES, if you are lucky to have a good local store manager, this is not the case. Just because Musicland/Tower/Camelot/Virgin/Sam Goody say something is out of print doesn't make it so. ESPECIALLY here in the US. These stores purchase from one of several major distribution companies who don't carry a lot of smaller labels. IF the folks at the particular store near you only look in their computers from their parent distributor, they they will say, nope, sorry, out of print. Go to a local mom & pop store who buys from several distribution houses and lo and behold, they can easily order AND GET things that the major chains claim are out of print. Soundtracks are especially prone to this phantom out-of-print problem. I happen to know FIRST HAND that at least some of the Silva releases are available for special order, I just got 'The Park Is Mine' for a friend about a month ago. If a record store you frequent isn't willing to do a little digging or order from several sources, that's their problem. I NEVER trust what I am told by employees of ANY major chain record store. They are notoriously 'out of the know' when it comes to music availability. If I believed them, I would not have the collection I have. If you want to get something that is 'out of print' according to a chain store, frequent your local mom & pop store who really cares about your business and are willing to do a little digging to order you stuff. If you don't have any local stores, buy a Record Collector or Goldmine magazine or ask on the net. ANY record store can order titles directly from Varese, or Silva, or other smaller labels. Heck, if you REALLY wanted to, you can order direct from them yourself. : 2) You mislead the fans/listees who cannot readily find this stuff by : giving them the idea (from a *supposedly* irrefutable source) that the : Silva titles will either be available locally or that the single copy on : the shelf at the corner record store will be readily replaced should that : one get sold (thus my original response defending my exhortation to buy now : or cry later). If the label says something is still available, I would believe them before taking the word of a store employee. It may not be available at that store because they don't want to find another copy but that doesn't mean it isn't available. There is a big difference between a promise of an upcoming release that never materializes and the release status of something that is already pressed. According to Camelot Records, Paul Haslinger's Future Primitive was no longer available 3 months after it came out. I just had my friend order it from the local store. Why? Who knows. Absolutely, buy now or cry later but don't dismiss everything anyone else says. : 3) You universalize your own idiosyncratic circumstances for everyone else : on this list. The pot calling the kettle black? The local, non-chain record store here in little old Kenosha, Wisconsin got me almost my entire TD collection, including the SBM releases, the Silva releases, the Varese releases, the recent TDI versions & other 'hard to find' discs. Yes, I had to wait a while for many of the discs but they did get them. IMHO, if the local store here can get them, Tower Records could if they really wanted to. : --Like I said in my first response, maybe these CDs are stocked up in : some_ONE's_ warehouse (we now know which one it is) but they are NOT on the : streets and they are NOT readily available to the average buyer!! Depends on what stores the average buyer tries to buy them from, doesn't it? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 7:42 pm Subject: What's 'Kaleidoscope?' Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >From CDBanzai : >KALEIDOSCOPE TANGERINE DREAM CD $ 27.98 GER 09/10/95 FING 15206144 What in the world is it? Anyone knows? Be gentle with me if I am supposed to know. :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 2:17 am Subject: RE: Atlanta Record Show Really-From: David Thielen please remove me from these list(s). I was mail-bombed on to over 1,000 e-mail lists - I did not join this on purpose. - dave ps - I had this e-mail address cancelled for the last 4 days so the only reason you are getting this e-mail is because your list server won't kill bad addresses. ---------- From: tadream mailing list[SMTP:tadream@c...] Sent: Monday, May 05, 1997 8:41 AM To: tadream@c... Subject: Re: Atlanta Record Show Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Hey Vic , I will sell you my sealed copy for a mere $75. What a DEAL!!!!!! Robert At 02:39 AM 5/5/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: Vic Rek wanted $100 for a >sealed LP copy of 'A Time For Heroes'. He was trying to convince me how >rare this was because of the 'Meatloaf' cut! > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 5, 1997 9:03 pm Subject: Re: Dark Moog Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 10:42 PM 5/5/97 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > >> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> >> Those of you who have been around for a while may remember >> that last year I stated that Namlook sounds suicidal on DSOTM1. >> >> Well, just shows you how much I know... he is still alive and they >> (with Klaus) have made more of the same stuff. >> >> 'Uninspired' is a kind word... more like pretentious. And >> boring. >> >> Any of the later DSOTMs better? I would be amazed. But I wish. >> >> Andrew > >I own DSOTM I,II,IV &V and a remix of DSOTM III part V on 'the essential >mix show mixed by SNAP!'. >IMO DSOTM I is the worst CD of this set, if you like KS 95/96 or Wahnfried >95 then try first IV and then V. >They are much better then DSOTM I. > >Jens That's REALLY good news. I should have followed my onw rule of thumb: don't get anything that's version 1.0. :-( Appreciate the hopeful reply, Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 2:21 am Subject: RE: What TD soundtrack do you want released the most? (poll) Really-From: David Thielen please remove me from these list(s). I was mail-bombed on to over 1,000 e-mail lists - I did not join this on purpose. - dave ps - I had this e-mail address cancelled for the last 4 days so the only reason you are getting this e-mail is because your list server won't kill bad addresses. ---------- From: tadream mailing list[SMTP:tadream@c...] Sent: Monday, May 05, 1997 4:47 AM To: tadream@c... Subject: Re: What TD soundtrack do you want released the most? (poll) Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Okay, out of curiousity (and maybe for some other reasons), what > unreleased TD soundtrack would everyone here like to see released the > most? The Keep! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'There is no gravity...the planet sucks' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 2:21 am Subject: RE: Really-From: David Thielen please remove me from these list(s). I was mail-bombed on to over 1,000 e-mail lists - I did not join this on purpose. - dave ps - I had this e-mail address cancelled for the last 4 days so the only reason you are getting this e-mail is because your list server won't kill bad addresses. ---------- From: Unknown[SMTP:Unknown] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Sender: tadream@c... To: tadream@c... Errors-To: tadream-request@c... Precedence: bulk Received: (from root@l...) by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA22943 for tadream@c...; Mon, 5 May 1997 11:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 11:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Linda Spa Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-04 16:22:50 EDT, you write: << She may have withheld her permission. The same may be true of any song she has an interest in. -- Mark >> Why would she have done that after the fact, Mark? More importantly, how could she have done that after the fact. Does this mean that any reissues of TD with Chris Franke, for example, could be forced to be issued without those songs? Alot of empty discs would be released!! Of course, maybe his contract didn't read as Linda's did. Personally, I think is is a conspiracy, cooked up by somebody, to get me to buy another copy of 'Goblins' Club' to get that one song. I'm not paranoid. Everybody _is_ out to get me!! Phil Naunton Sheepish P.S. - Does anyone know where I can get this issue of Goblins' Club? I don't know how to look for it on the net. I don't want to get the wrong one. [Maybe they should call it 'Goblins' Club 1.5'] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 11221 Re: Plumer, Scott Fri 2/20/1998 3 KB 11227 Re: DJS Fri 2/20/1998 5 KB 11229 Re: TangerineC@a... Fri 2/20/1998 2 KB 11233 Re: Michael Fox Fri 2/20/1998 2 KB 11264 Re: feldon@p... Sat 2/21/1998 3 KB 11315 Re: Plumer, Scott Mon 2/23/1998 2 KB 18033 Re: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx Fri 9/24/1999 2 KB 18034 Re: Micke Fri 9/24/1999 2 KB 18431 Re: Marcel Engels Sun 10/17/1999 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 2:37 am Subject: Re: phil's poll addendum Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-05 14:50:16 EDT, you write: << OK Phil I remembered some other comps I have: Dream music 1 cd Dream music 2 cd The Story of Tangerine Dream cd & vinyl Tangents promo (hey, Stephen brought it up! and it is a comp!) cd (2 copies; anyone want to trade?) lars >> As The Riddler said in Batman 3, 'Was that over the top? I can never tell!' Yes, Lars, you're over the top. I concede total and utter defeat. :-) Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 2:26 am Subject: RE: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L'affaire Wallraff?' Really-From: David Thielen please remove me from these list(s). I was mail-bombed on to over 1,000 e-mail lists - I did not join this on purpose. - dave ps - I had this e-mail address cancelled for the last 4 days so the only reason you are getting this e-mail is because your list server won't kill bad addresses. ---------- From: tadream mailing list[SMTP:tadream@c...] Sent: Monday, May 05, 1997 4:26 PM To: tadream@c... Subject: Re: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L'affaire Wallraff?' Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> > Since I work for them I can do that, heh. This may sound like a >> > commercial but here goes: Super Collector has been in business for >> > over 4 years. We specialize in rare or out of print soundtracks > >> Hi Dano. Since you work for these guys, how about getting me about 10 >> or 20 copies of 'L'affaire Wallraff?' It was released by EMI France in >> 1991. >Ewwww....a challenge heh heh. Man Inside is one of the tougher one's to >find. I can get them, however. The question is...how much do you want to >pay for them? Since I can sell them for at least $50 each retail...I'm >assuming you want to pay at least this amount for each? You want a challenge? How about one copy of the original ST to 'The Keep' on vinyl? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 2:37 am Subject: Re: Aqua/Timewind/Blackouts Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-05 16:50:26 EDT, Jens writes: << The connections are: 1st the virgin label.>> This makes sense, but in itself doesn't rank the need for a collection. << 2nd Klaus Schulze played with both musicians - 1970 with Froese 'Electronic Meditation' as TD - 1971 with Manuel Goettsching (MG is Ashra at the time of Blackouts) as Ash Ra Tempel - 71-73 with MG as 'Cosmic Jokers' - 81 with MG as 'Richard Wahnfried' etc...>> This reminds me of 'Three Degrees Of Kevin Bacon' a somewhat popular trivia game that is making the rounds. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 4:19 am Subject: Re: What's 'Kaleidoscope?' Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > >From CDBanzai : > > >KALEIDOSCOPE TANGERINE DREAM CD $ 27.98 GER 09/10/95 FING > 15206144 > > What in the world is it? Anyone knows? > > Be gentle with me if I am supposed to know. :-) > > Andrew It's a mistake. Not TD at all. I've emailed CD Banzai about it and they acknowledge it, but don't seem to have the energy to fix it. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3569 Re: What's 'Kaleidoscope?' Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 5/6/1997 3 KB 3572 Re: What's 'Kaleidoscope?' TangerineC@a... Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB 3585 Re: What's 'Kaleidoscope?' Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 5/6/1997 3 KB 3578 Re: What's 'Kaleidoscope?' Vic Rek Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB 3587 Re: What's 'Kaleidoscope?' Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 4:39 am Subject: Re: Linda Spa Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-05-04 16:22:50 EDT, you write: > > << She may have withheld > her permission. The same may be true of any song she has an interest > in. -- Mark > >> > > Why would she have done that after the fact, Mark? More > importantly, how could she have done that after the fact. Does this > mean that any reissues of TD with Chris Franke, for example, could be > forced to be issued without those songs? Alot of empty discs would be > released!! Of course, maybe his contract didn't read as Linda's did. There! You answered your own question. Very good. Seriously, it's a possibility. > Personally, I think is is a conspiracy, cooked up by > somebody, to get me to buy another copy of 'Goblins' Club' to get that > one song. I'm not paranoid. Everybody _is_ out to get me!! Of course they are Phil. Edgar's been on the CIA payroll from the start. He also worked to the KGB and the E.German authorities. It's all on 'Exit' if you listen closely. EF was a double agent. I realize you didn't mention Edgar. This is all in jest. I just think there are other, more plausible explanations for some of the marketing decisions than what some folks suspect Edgar of doing. Cases in point: TDI releases of 'Tyranny...' and 'Turn...' - Edgar gave us bonuses now that he can release his own stuff. 'The Brick' doesn't contain the bonuses because they can't include (or wouldn't include) TDI music. All the pink/Virgin/blue/pink&blue/... compilations - Edgar probably didn't have any say whatsoever because the recording companies may have had an unrestricted license to do whatever they wanted with the music. I know you didn't mention EF, but this is to all who would blame Edgar first (and think, second?): look first for any possible contractual reason why something happens or doesn't happen before you pin it on Edgar. Let's see what happens with TDI in the future. Edgar does control TDI and if they start pulling these types of shenanigans, then we can probably blame Edgar. But pending some hard evidence, I'm for giving the guy the benefit of the doubt. Cheers to all. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3595 Re: Linda Spa Dennis Nigbur Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB 25752 Linda Spa David Foster Sun 1/21/2001 2 KB 25753 Re: Linda Spa Feldon Feldon Sun 1/21/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 1:27 am Subject: Re: What's 'Kaleidoscope?' Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:19 PM 5/5/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >tadream mailing list wrote: >> >> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> >> >From CDBanzai : >> >> >KALEIDOSCOPE TANGERINE DREAM CD $ 27.98 GER 09/10/95 FING >> 15206144 >> >> What in the world is it? Anyone knows? >> >> Be gentle with me if I am supposed to know. :-) >> >> Andrew > >It's a mistake. Not TD at all. I've emailed CD Banzai about it and >they acknowledge it, but don't seem to have the energy to fix it. -- >Mark > > Phewtttttt..... I guess after years of learning about TD I should have trusted my original reaction. But the temptation was there.... just for a minute... the little devil of 'rarities.' Thanks for clearing things for me. But makes me wonder how many folks jumped on it. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 7:13 am Subject: How do you sign up for the digest version of this list? Really-From: 'Ford A. Thaxton' If someone could email the info on how to sign up for the digest version I'd really appreciated it. Please email this info to Fordat1@a... Thanks From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 7:14 am Subject: Weird Laws by Region Really-From: Mark Filipak For what it's worth (not much really), I compiled this list from Michael Jeans posts on weird laws -- thanks MJ for the amusement. I'll let each person decide for themselves what this all means. Summary of Weird Laws Relating to Music and Musical Performances by Region - Maritime Canada & Northeast US - Halifax, NOVA SCOTIA - sex, solicitation Fredericton, NEW BRUNSWICK - civil order Montreal, QUEBEC - civil order (I think?) or health & safety (maybe?) Barre, VERMONT - sex Hartford, CONNECTICUT - civil order Providence, RHODE ISLAND - sex Rochester, NEW YORK - civil order or sex or health & safety (who knows?) Pittsburgh, PENNSYLVANIA - civil order - Mid Atlantic & Southeastern US - Newark, NEW JERSEY - health & safety Richmond, VIRGINIA - sex Charleston, SOUTH CAROLINA - sex Montgomery, ALABAMA - sex Atlanta, GEORGIA - sex - Canada & US Midwest - Kitchner, ONTARIO - civil order Madison, WISCONSIN - sex Chicago, ILLINOIS - civil order Cleveland, OHIO - health & safety - Canadian & US Prairie - Winnipeg, MANITOBA - civil order Regina, SASKATCHEWAN - civil order Sioux Falls, SOUTH DAKOTA - sex Jamestown, SOUTH DAKOTA - civil order Lincoln, NEBRASKA - sex Des Moines, IOWA - sex Wichita, KANSAS - health & safety - Middle South, US - Little Rock, ARKANSAS - health & safety Tulsa, OKLAHOMA - sex Abilene TEXAS - sex Baton Rouge, LOUISIANA - civil order - Canadian & US Mountain & Southwestern US - Boise, IDAHO - sex Denver, COLORADO - health & safety - Alaska, Canadian & US Pacific Coast - Anchorage ALASKA - health & safety Seattle, WASHINGTON - health & safety From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 7:19 am Subject: Re: What's 'Kaleidoscope?' Really-From: TangerineC@a... KALEIDOSCOPE - TANGERINE DREAM that is the name of an album by a 60's group called KALEIDOSCOPE. It came out before TD ever did. Makes you wonder where Edgar really came up with the name for the group. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3585 Re: What's 'Kaleidoscope?' Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 5/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Quinoa Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...> My copy of Quinoa has just arrived from VoicePrint! It looks like the real thing, proper printing, Fan club only, not for sale/resale etc. I'll let you know how it sounds when I've had a chance to listen to it. By the way I also received a voucher for one UK pound off of my next purchase. All in all looks good to me. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3665 Quinoa Mark Filipak Thu 5/8/1997 3 KB 3700 Quinoa ajogon@m... Fri 5/9/1997 2 KB 3709 Quinoa Harri Ikonen Fri 5/9/1997 2 KB 3710 Re: Quinoa Sean Montgomery Fri 5/9/1997 2 KB 3716 Re: Quinoa dbrewer@a... Fri 5/9/1997 3 KB 3717 Bad Cover Design Sean Montgomery Fri 5/9/1997 2 KB 3729 Interesting Web site Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 5/10/1997 3 KB 3789 Re: Quinoa Dennis Nigbur Mon 5/12/1997 3 KB 7207 Quinoa R.A.Seed Sun 9/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 9:44 am Subject: Pearls!! Really-From: ashok prema Last Digest:: '' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 09:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Pearls be4 swine (was: EMMA lock-outs + CF signature sound) Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-05-04 05:51:10 EDT, you write: << Maybe someone thinks we're has-beens? (were that true! - I never really made an impact inmy earlier days ) Pearls before swine perhaps?? (not meant in any derogatory fashion whatsoever ) >> speaking of has beens...anyone know what happened to pearls before swine? just curious, tom w ''' a quote from Jesus Christ - ' do not cast pearls before swine lest they be trodden underfoot ' I'm sure Paul agrees with me that that feeling of 'being walked over' is not an uncommon one!! Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3577 Re: Pearls!! TWeibre361@a... Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 8:03 pm Subject: Re: FSOL 'Lifeforms' and TD, KS Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > I think FSOL sampled everything on the planet except possibly my urine > (not sure) for 'Lifeforms.' Is 'Schulze' Klaus Schulze? Who else? It could have been Paul Schulze, althogh of course others have now confirmed that it is indeed Klaus. > I've heard that TD samples are throughout 'Lifeforms' but you can't > recognize them. An indication of their mastery with samples? If they are present but become an integral part of the music then perhaps they are being used at their best? BTW, someone indicated that they had Dead Cities. Can anyone indicate how this new CD relates to Lifeforms or ISDN? I love Lifeforms, but ISDN is not as good, IMHO. Thanks, NP : Xenomorph - Andy Pickford --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3579 Re: FSOL 'Lifeforms' and TD, KS Vincent Goudreault Tue 5/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 7:58 pm Subject: Re: Poll On This! Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: feldon@n... > > I think I'm the only on on the list that likes this CD 'Tangerine Ambience'. I echo some other comments regarding Tangerine Ambience - you are not alone in liking this excellent album. I would say I enjoy Invisible Lights and Exit on this album more than the originals. And I like the two new tracks too, of course, with that interesting TD-related gimmick working well. NP : Acoustic LSD - TD --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 12:29 pm Subject: Re: Pearls!! Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-05-06 05:51:20 EDT, you write: << speaking of has beens...anyone know what happened to pearls before swine? just curious, tom w ''' a quote from Jesus Christ - ' do not cast pearls before swine lest they be trodden underfoot ' I'm sure Paul agrees with me that that feeling of 'being walked over' is not an uncommon one!! >> i guess i wasnt clear..i meant the musical collective 'pearls before swine'.... religiously, tom w np: a young persons guide to discipline From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 12:31 pm Subject: Re: What's 'Kaleidoscope?' Really-From: Vic Rek Correct! This is a name of a group, so the listing wasn't in error unless it was grouped with Tangerine Dream. At 03:19 AM 5/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > >KALEIDOSCOPE - TANGERINE DREAM >that is the name of an album by a 60's group called KALEIDOSCOPE. It came >out before TD ever did. Makes you wonder where Edgar really came up with the >name for the group. > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3587 Re: What's 'Kaleidoscope?' Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 12:41 pm Subject: Re: FSOL 'Lifeforms' and TD, KS Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On May 6, 1:03pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: FSOL 'Lifeforms' and TD, KS > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > (...) > > BTW, someone indicated that they had Dead Cities. Can > anyone indicate how this new CD relates to Lifeforms or > ISDN? I love Lifeforms, but ISDN is not as good, IMHO. > > Thanks, > Dead Cities is more techno than Lifeforms. I would have to re-listen to ISDN to make a back to back comparison (I haven't listened to ISDN for some time), but I like the next to last track on Dead Cities a lot. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 12:48 pm Subject: Re: Aqua/Timewind/Blackouts Really-From: Vic Rek Thanks for the connections between the various artists on this boxed set release, but the REAL connection here (besides the Virgin label) is that these are considered by many in the EM world to be the real 'fathers' of ambient (talking solo here), before ambient was ever a term in the music business. I saw this connection when I first saw the boxed set many years ago and grabbed it. It's also cool that all these discs are picture discs of the album covers. Also, that most of these artists worked together in one form or another only shows that ambient music came from a common origin (i.e. Germany, and West Berlin to be more specific). Vic At 10:33 PM 5/5/97 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >> Really-From: PNaunton@a... >> >> > << I also have a collection titled 'Ambient' (Synthetiseur) - >> > Collectors' Edition (3 Limited Edition Picture Discs) and the box >> > contains: Edgar Froese - 'Aqua,' Klaus Schulze - 'Time Wind' and >> > Ashra - 'Blackouts.' > >The connections are: > >1st the virgin label. > >2nd Klaus Schulze played with both musicians >- 1970 with Froese 'Electronic Meditation' as TD >- 1971 with Manuel Goettsching (MG is Ashra at the time of Blackouts) as >Ash Ra Tempel >- 71-73 with MG as 'Cosmic Jokers' >- 81 with MG as 'Richard Wahnfried' >etc... > >Jens > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 9:29 pm Subject: Re: Oasis Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' To Hilmar, TangerineC (have you got a name?) et al, I find myself agreeing with much that you stated in your post regarding Oasis, Hilmar, and I note that you also agreed with me on some points, so it would appear there is no great difference of opinion here. I like your analogy to TD building a tower of music, and at this stage stepping back to consider one of the previous floors in more detail. To expand on that thought-process slightly, maybe we see the fire-safety officer or the buildings inspectorate moving in at this point and asking them to re-inforce some floors before continuing with the building process. I can see how this analogy could really explain where they've been going for the last few years : a mis-mash of music (IMHO) as they rush to build higher and higher, possibly on shaky foundations. Now, they perhaps see the need to return and fortify certain areas before once again moving on. On some points, though, I don't agree (and so we'll agree to disagree, right?). I hear far too much of early-90's TD to really accept that this is a new direction. As I stated before, although much of this is really good (except Cedar Breaks, see below), much of it has been heard before in one form or another (not literally, but in style). So whilst I could also say that it is one of their best of the 90s, I still don't see it as a landmrak step forward in a new direction (but maybe I'm blind). You, yourself, Hilmar, actually list a number of points which arise from other albums or periods, some positive annd some negative. I cannot see how this can be a new direction when the album is made up of ideas and styles from other albums. Okay, so as far as Cedar Break is concerned, I'm now going to put this on, and see if I can illiterate my dislike : Right, 1) I'm not a big fan of these string-style chords. I may be one of the few TD fans who is not particularly keen on Classical music (although maybe I just haven't found the right composer yet). 2) As I said before, it sounds like the start of one of the Tangents remixes, and it never gets any better. This is all of the fade-ins and fade-outs from Tangents, Dream Roots, Zoning and Beyond the Storm in one long drone. 3) It doesn't go anywhere. It drones along for however many years it lasts for and doesn't achieve much. Now, I'm not an unfeeling sole - I am moved by certain TD pieces nut this one just doesn't reach me. 4) It grates me. 5) It grinds. 6) It irritates. 7) It really, really, really, really, oh, I've said that before haven't I. I can't explain my feelings any better than this. I hope this suffices. All the above, obviously, in my own opinion (obvious since I was asked by people why I don't like this). And no, I haven't listened to Rockoon lately. I try not to wherever possible. But as far as I remember, it had a lot of bland tracks that didn't do much for me too! 8-o ;-) --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3599 Re: Oasis TangerineC@a... Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB 4906 Oasis Phil Vendy Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4926 Re: Oasis Jens Peschke Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 5088 Re: Oasis Hilmar Kraft Tue 6/17/1997 2 KB 5098 Re: Oasis Sean Montgomery Tue 6/17/1997 2 KB 8447 Oasis Rich Maggio Thu 11/6/1997 4 KB 9135 Oasis neil vanlaten Fri 11/28/1997 3 KB 9149 Re: Oasis Francisco Salgado C. Sat 11/29/1997 3 KB 9162 Re: Oasis matt knudson Sat 11/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 1:42 pm Subject: Re: What TD soundtrack do you want released the most? (poll) Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-05 21:00:31 EDT, you write: << Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-05 13:28:01 EDT, you write: << The Keep! >> agree...spooky film....spooky music - let's make 'em release it! >> Hey!! I'll say it once again. Strange Behavior is very scary music. In my opinion, one of there best soundtracks, along with Legend. Beats The Keep in the spooky level, ten times over. >> Well, I assume your opinion is as worthy as anyone else's on this list...and that is all the question was asking for - our opinions. That was mine. Since I have never seen Strange Behavior or heard the soundtrack music, I can't compare them. You may be correct, for all I know. They should both be released anyway (IMO)!! As for Legend, since this has been released (I own a cassette of it, and saw the CD of it just last week in the store) it doesn't really qualify as an answer to the question. I do agree that it is good, though, and I like it better than a lot of other TD soundtracks. :-) Graf Zeigen@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 1:31 pm Subject: C Franke/Pacific Blue Really-From: Michael A Jean I also received some cool stuff at the beginning of the Newsletter period...I simply suspect that the webpage is a more effective and cost efficient means of providing the information... By the way, the website states that PACIFIC BLUE has been pushed back to July 3rd.... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 1:49 pm Subject: Re: VOICEPRINT Really-From: Michael A Jean Relax already...they are probably just busy...Have faith!!! MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 8:48 am Subject: Re: What's 'Kaleidoscope?' Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 03:19 AM 5/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > >KALEIDOSCOPE - TANGERINE DREAM >that is the name of an album by a 60's group called KALEIDOSCOPE. It came >out before TD ever did. Makes you wonder where Edgar really came up with the >name for the group. > You mean to say that EF was NOT stoned out of his head on acid when he was listening to 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds?' It's about the only way he could have had tangerine dreams. Unless he went to a Dali party, where anything could happen. I read somewhere that Dali once filled his swimming pool with some very interesting stuff. It seems that the Dali parties were the place to be 'seen' if you were International 'upper crust' and that everybody ended up having tangerine dreams. Thanks for the info on Kaleidoscope. Saved me $28. Cheers and colorful dreaming, Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 1:48 pm Subject: Voiceprint & Australian ordering site Really-From: Dora Sullivan To all the folk having difficulty with Voiceprint, I found out that that Australian web site that was mentioned the other day is actually the Voiceprint agent for Asia, and they have all the same titles Voiceprint sell BUT they are extremely quick and answer all queries promptly and say they ship the stock out directly. Price is about the same - maybe a tiny tiny bit more but not much diff. I'm personally fed up with Voiceprint - very shoddy service with regards to mail order. But they are bringing out some cool stuff I guess. http://www.ozemail.com.au/~evolving/evdist.html _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 8:53 am Subject: Re: What's 'Kaleidoscope?' Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 08:31 AM 5/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Vic Rek > > >Correct! This is a name of a group, so the listing wasn't in error unless >it was grouped with Tangerine Dream. > >At 03:19 AM 5/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Really-From: TangerineC@a... >> >>KALEIDOSCOPE - TANGERINE DREAM >>that is the name of an album by a 60's group called KALEIDOSCOPE. It came >>out before TD ever did. Makes you wonder where Edgar really came up with the >>name for the group. >> > You do a search on GEMM for best prices and availability (you do, right?) and enter Tangerine Dream for search 'band name,' and up comes Kaleidoscope, but also Froese, Franke, etc. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 1:53 pm Subject: Re: country music Really-From: Michael A Jean Hey I just heard 'Shut up and Eat your grits' this morning...Didn't much care for it.... I've thought of a great title for a country song...now somebody just has to write the music...Its 'If We Meet in Heaven, I'll Know that I'm in Hell'... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 1:50 pm Subject: Re: who cares? Really-From: Michael A Jean Come on guys....who cares what's in the local music store when you can shop worldwide with the internet!!!! MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3629 Re: who cares? feldon@n... Wed 5/7/1997 2 KB 3641 Re: who cares? PNaunton@a... Wed 5/7/1997 2 KB 3646 Re: who cares? TangerineC@a... Wed 5/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Tour dates changed Really-From: Peter Ravn News from the home page: The dates for the second part of the european tour have been changed: Tangerine Dream European Tour 1997 Tangerine Dream is currently on the European Tour 1997, Part II: Fri, 06/13/97 Warsaw t.b.a. Mon, 06/23/97 Athen Lycabetus Theater (Open Air) Tue, 06/24/97 Thessaloniki t.b.a. (Open Air) Fri, 06/27/97 Kassel Documenta 97 (Open Air) The Tour will be continued... Venues for Warsaw & Thessaloniki will be announced shortly. This list was last updated on Tue, 05/06/97. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Kaleidoscope Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >>Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 21:19:47 -0700 >>Subject: Re: What's 'Kaleidoscope?' >>Really-From: Mark Filipak >>tadream mailing list wrote: >>> >>> >KALEIDOSCOPE TANGERINE DREAM CD $ 27.98 GER 09/10/95 FING >>> 15206144 >>> >>> What in the world is it? Anyone knows? >>> >>> Be gentle with me if I am supposed to know. :-) >>> >>> Andrew >>It's a mistake. Not TD at all. I've emailed CD Banzai about it and >>they acknowledge it, but don't seem to have the energy to fix it. -- >>Mark Technically it's not really a mistake. CD Banzai has it listed correctly as 'Kaleidoscope: Tangerine Dream'--'Kaleidoscope' is the band's name and 'Tangerine Dream' is the name of the album. Problem is, their search engine brings it up when you search on TD. I bought an old LP reissue of this record about a decade ago for about $2; at the time, I thought it was an early TD album dating from around the time of The Ones (late '60s). After listening to it, I realized I was WAAAAAY wrong (it's enjoyable nonetheless, a real psychedelic relic replete with amazingly pompous lyrics). I wonder if the folks who reissued the Kaleidoscope 'Tangerine Dream' LP (it was a British label, I'm certain) might have actually WANTED it to be confused with a TD album to boost sales. From the LP's cover design, it's totally ambiguous whether 'Tangerine Dream' is the album title or the band's name, and I swear, one of the four band members on the front cover really looks very much like Edgar Froese. I don't know if the CD issue is similarly ambiguous. --John Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3597 Re: Kaleidoscope TangerineC@a... Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB 3653 Re: Kaleidoscope John Burek Wed 5/7/1997 3 KB 3658 Re: Kaleidoscope TangerineC@a... Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB 13573 Re: Kaleidoscope Bill Lantz Fri 5/8/1998 3 KB 13577 Re: Kaleidoscope Vincent Goudreault Fri 5/8/1998 4 KB 13578 Re: Kaleidoscope Jens Peschke Fri 5/8/1998 3 KB 13579 Re: Kaleidoscope Plumer, Scott Fri 5/8/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: TD Soundtracks I Want Released Most: KEEP, STREETHAWK, STRANGE BEHAV. Really-From: Steven Feldman o THE KEEP -- Virgin has promised a release on this much-wanted item for over three years, now. o STREETHAWK -- There's some great upbeat LE PARC-style music that was done for this show, and there is reportedly some 80 hours-worth of it!!! o STRANGE BEHAVIOR -- Hey, if it's spookier than THE KEEP and THE PARK IS MINE, it's *gotta* be good! ;) :) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3598 Re: TD Soundtracks I Want Released Most: KEEP, ST TangerineC@a... Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: THE KEEP: a Challenge Supercollector Can't Meet? Really-From: Steven Feldman Hey, here's a challenge that I assume *everyone* here would love to see met: THE KEEP soundtrack on Virgin Records (or is it Virgin/ Ariola?) Germany, from 1984 (in other words, not the Blue Moon version or a CD-R). This soundtrack was actually released on vinyl for certain --and reportedly also on CD and cassette. I know for a fact that the vinyl exists, because I've seen it. Supposedly, some 300 copies of this record slipped out to stores before it was withdrawn because of copyright complications. So, Supercollector, do us all a favor and *locate* one of these LP/CD/MCs for us. I'm sure *someone* here will make it more than worth you while. I personally would like the copy if you find one, but I'm not sure what I could pay for it. Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3609 Re: THE KEEP: a Challenge Supercollector Can't Me Rakinik Intertype Tue 5/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 8:36 pm Subject: Re: CF's signature sound? Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Sun, 4 May 1997 15:58:25 -0400 (EDT) tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > There are some others I cannot think of right now but I've heard >them in numerous places and music pieces. By far the most consistent, and >probably the oldest, is the 'Alien Seagull'. I've been hearing that one for >years. And as it usually only appears once on each album, it's a lot less annoying than TD's harpsichord samples which are all over the place, isn't it?? Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 8:37 pm Subject: Re: Linda Spa Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Sun, 04 May 1997 13:16:12 -0700 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >Once again I must point out an alternative explanation. Linda is not a >contractee anymore and there may be prohibitions in the contract that >her image cannot be used without her permission. She may have withheld >her permission. The same may be true of any song she has an interest >in. -- Mark But 'Elf June' is still available note-by-note in the sheet music section of the TD homepage. If Linda had withheld her permission, this surely wouldn't be the case. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 8:58 pm Subject: Re: D:())(())(()'Goblins' Club'())(())(() Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Mon, 5 May 1997 13:47:34 -0400 (EDT) tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > And then there is 'Sad Merlin's Sunday', Talk about Attention >Defecit Disorder! Excuse me, but weren't they supposed to be composing a >piece of music here? All I hear is several attempts at different >introductions and a stumblingly feeble disaster of a conclusion that just >can't seem to end. Am I being too hard? I Don't Think So. Sorry, but I think you are. The elements of 'Sad Merlin's Sunday' are, as opposed to the majority of recent TD music, not all squeezed together 3 bars each into a 5-minute-piece, they actually elaborate on the motifs they bring into the song. This is precisely what I found so relieving about Goblin's Club; they are turning their backs to the pop song format they have been adhering to since 'Optical Race', if I remember right. It is true that they still change the musical mood and motifs at a _very_ high pace (as opposed to 70s/80s stuff, and to a lesser extent in 'Sad Merlin', as I pointed out above), but the music is certainly more complex and interesting than a lot of the other recent stuff. > Favourite tracks - 'Toward The Evening Star' comes closer than any >others. - 'Elf June And The Midnight Patrol' an interesting change of pace. These were my favourites when I bought the album. But listening to it over and over again, I'd say my faves are 'Rising Haul in Silence', 'Sad Merlin's Sunday', and maybe 'Lamb With Radar Eyes'...three very interesting suite-songs that could easily have been (and there I do agree with you) extended to 15-20 minutes each. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 4:34 pm Subject: Re: Kaleidoscope Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-06 10:49:52 EDT, you write: >From the LP's cover design, it's totally ambiguous >whether 'Tangerine Dream' is the album title or the band's name, and I swear, >one of the four band members on the front cover really looks very much like >Edgar Froese. I don't know if the CD issue is similarly ambiguous. How could this be on purpose if the album came out before Tangerine Dream was even known to Edgar? This is more likely were Edgar got the name from. At the time the group Kaleidoscope had a few hits on the charts, so obviously this album was known to Edgar. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 4:40 pm Subject: Re: TD Soundtracks I Want Released Most: KEEP, STREETHAWK, STRANGE BEHAV. Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-06 11:08:27 EDT, you write: >o STRANGE BEHAVIOR -- Hey, if it's spookier than THE KEEP and THE PARK IS > MINE, it's *gotta* be good! ;) Watch the movie and you'll see what I mean. Most of the music on it is as spooky as the first track on Sorcerer. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 4:47 pm Subject: Re: Oasis Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-06 09:40:31 EDT, you write: >TangerineC (have you got a name?) Yes. As a matter of fact, I do. My parents named me Tom C. (last name not given) O.k.? :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 4:55 pm Subject: More Soundtracks? Really-From: Vic Rek First of all, I guess 'The Keep' discussion is starting again... Second, what's all this talk about 'Strange Behaviour'. I have this movie. It is the worst, along with the soundtrack. Hardly any TD. Delete this one! And finally, I haven't heard any mention about 'The Forbidden' soundtrack. 'Voices in the Dunes' stated an anticipated release date, but it didn't happen. I've never seen the movie, so I can't comment on the soundtrack. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3602 Re: More Soundtracks? TangerineC@a... Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB 3603 Re: More Soundtracks? TangerineC@a... Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB 3604 Re: More Soundtracks? Sean Montgomery Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB 3610 Re: More Soundtracks? Plumer, Scott Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB 3639 Re: More Soundtracks? PNaunton@a... Wed 5/7/1997 2 KB 3643 Re: More Soundtracks? Plumer, Scott Wed 5/7/1997 2 KB 3645 Re: More Soundtracks? Vic Rek Wed 5/7/1997 2 KB 3775 Re: More Soundtracks? Steve Yensen Mon 5/12/1997 2 KB 3885 Re: More Soundtracks? Simon W. Hood Wed 5/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 5:02 pm Subject: Re: Silva CDs; a report from the trenches Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-05 20:47:34 EDT, you write: << Yes, I had to wait a while for many of the discs but they did get them. IMHO, if the local store here can get them, Tower Records could if they really wanted to. : --Like I said in my first response, maybe these CDs are stocked up in : some_ONE's_ warehouse (we now know which one it is) but they are NOT on the : streets and they are NOT readily available to the average buyer!! Depends on what stores the average buyer tries to buy them from, doesn't it? >> Not that it needs to be reinforced, but this is all the truth. Large stores have limited resources. Smaller ones can, and usually do, provide services. They value their clients, and will often go the extra mile to satisfy them, to keep them coming back. They also have a developed field of contacts to use. This I know, because this is what I do. Not in music, but in electronic equipment. If you want something exotic do you go to a mass merchandiser or a specialist? The specialist, of course. If you want something cheap you go to the mass merchandiser. The mass merchandiser will never go the extra mile because he knows s/he will never see you again, and it is just not worth the trouble. The faster they get rid of you the more money they can make on someone else who is satisfied with dealing with a 'clerk'. I know some people in my business who will lie about products to their clients without a second thought. If that doesn't work they will just hang up on them or disappear, this is why they never tell you their names. My wife _always_ looses salesperson at the big shoe stores. She is very demanding. 'Hello, my salesperson hasn't come back. He's been gone for fifteen minutes.' 'What does he look like?' (Not, what is his name.) 'Five foot eight, sandy hair, glasses.' 'Oh, I'm not sure what his name is, he's new. (Sure he is.) He's on break now.' Then the flames begin. All to no avail of course. No one gives a flying f***! Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 5:05 pm Subject: Re: More Soundtracks? Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-06 13:01:27 EDT, you write: >Second, what's all this talk about 'Strange Behaviour'. I have this movie. >It is the worst, along with the soundtrack. Hardly any TD. Delete this one! Huh??? This is an excellent soundtrack! Oh well, different strokes I guess. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 5:07 pm Subject: Re: More Soundtracks? Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-06 13:01:27 EDT, you write: >Second, what's all this talk about 'Strange Behaviour'. I have this movie. >It is the worst, along with the soundtrack. Hardly any TD. Delete this one! oh yes, almost forgot. Edgar must have liked it too, because TD used to play some of the music from it in concerts way back when. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 5:02 pm Subject: Re: More Soundtracks? Really-From: Sean Montgomery > And finally, I haven't heard any mention about 'The Forbidden' soundtrack. Another soundtrack I've long been curious about is the music they did for a series on Japanese HDTV, called 'Mandala' (Not Nelson). The TDIFC newsletter reported a possible release, and Paul Haslinger includes it on his webpage credit list, but I never heard anything else about it.... Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Think Global - Act Loco!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 5:58 pm Subject: Free Franke Promo CD offer! Really-From: Rakinik Intertype I have one Pioneer promo CD of Tenchi the movie and Armitage to give away. All you have to to is be the first one who emails me and tells me what movies these quotes are from (hey, I had to make you work a little for the disk heh heh). Here they are: 1. 'You play a good game boy, but the game is finished! Now you die!' 2. 'Aye, and if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon.' 3. 'See, we plan ahead, that way we're not doing anything right now. Earl explained it to me.' 4. 'I was gonna go to tosche station and pick up some power converters (please imagine a heavy whine with this one) 5. 'Are you kidding? I just want my truck back.' There you go. Have fun with this...I'll email you if you get em all even if someone got it before you did. Watch for more stuff like this...just cuz I think it's cool to give stuff away (and how often do you hear that?). regards, Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3613 Re: Free Franke Promo CD offer! TangerineC@a... Tue 5/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 6:01 pm Subject: Re: Silva CDs; a report from the trenches Really-From: Rakinik Intertype Whatever you say Lars. Yer the fanboy of all knowing. Thanks for the book report though, heh. I'm actually quite flattered. Even my girlfriend won't write me letters that long. Heh heh. I'm ending my part in this useless thread so feel free to talk to yourself. regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 6:05 pm Subject: Re: Silva CDs; a report from the trenches Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > What does Thaxton have to say about all this???? Ford doesn't care. He's always too busy in the film newsgroups. As you probably know Edgar doesn't like Ford (because he released TD music Edgar had no part of). I'm pretty thankful to Ford. Because of him we have several great scores we STILL would not have because Edgar is so tight fisted with his musical releases. Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 6:09 pm Subject: Re: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L'affaire Wallraf f?' Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >> > Since I work for them I can do that, heh. This may sound like a > >> > commercial but here goes: Super Collector has been in business for > >> > over 4 years. We specialize in rare or out of print soundtracks > > > >> Hi Dano. Since you work for these guys, how about getting me about > 10 > >> or 20 copies of 'L'affaire Wallraff?' It was released by EMI France > in > >> 1991. > > >Ewwww....a challenge heh heh. Man Inside is one of the tougher one's to > >find. I can get them, however. The question is...how much do you want > to > >pay for them? Since I can sell them for at least $50 each retail...I'm > >assuming you want to pay at least this amount for each? > > You want a challenge? How about one copy of the original ST to 'The > Keep' on vinyl? > > Scott Do you know anyone who actually HAS this album? I'd be very very interested in seeing it. I have a lot of 'I had it in my hands and when I came back later it was gone' stories...but yet...I've still never seen 1 single copy of this so-called release. If someone DOES have it why has it not been put on a CDR somewhere and booted? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? ;-) Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 6:14 pm Subject: Re: THE KEEP: a Challenge Supercollector Can't Meet? Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Hey, here's a challenge that I assume *everyone* here would love > to see met: THE KEEP soundtrack on Virgin Records (or is it Virgin/ > Ariola?) Germany, from 1984 (in other words, not the Blue Moon version > or a CD-R). This soundtrack was actually released on vinyl for certain > --and reportedly also on CD and cassette. I know for a fact that the > vinyl exists, because I've seen it. Supposedly, some 300 copies of > this record slipped out to stores before it was withdrawn because of > copyright complications. > So, Supercollector, do us all a favor and *locate* one of these > LP/CD/MCs for us. I'm sure *someone* here will make it more than > worth you while. I personally would like the copy if you find one, > but I'm not sure what I could pay for it. > > Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: > BITNET: DREAMS WORD: > Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o > Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL > FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+> OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Wait, here we are again. You've seen it...everyone has seen it. Who out there HAS a single copy?? Did you all see it and pass it up? I think getting the masters would be easier than finding this LP. Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 6:16 pm Subject: RE: More Soundtracks? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' How about 'Oedipus Tyrannus'? SCott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 6:25 pm Subject: The Keep.. Really-From: Rakinik Intertype Okay, we all have heard about this supposed LP release. I'm not saying it didn't happen...but I've yet to see a single copy, anywhere....or any pictures as well. My sources have told me that it was never released (maybe it's a conspiracy) but in any case...I'm going to find someone at Virgin and find out what the deal is with this score. Has anyone actually proposed a cd release of The Keep from Virgin? Any companies? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? More on this later, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 6:34 pm Subject: Re: Dark Moog Really-From: Ken Alexander > >IMO DSOTM I is the worst CD of this set, if you like KS 95/96 or Wahnfried > >95 then try first IV and then V. > >They are much better then DSOTM I. > > That's REALLY good news. I should have followed my onw rule > of thumb: don't get anything that's version 1.0. :-( DSOTM 5 is far, far better than any of 1-4, IMHO. 1-4 don't really seem to hold together, but 5 is a really great CD. Some of the tracks on 5 are even worth putting on endless-repeat. They seem to have more emotional content, while the tracks on 1-4 are quite cold. 1 is periods of ambience interspersed with periods of more violent bass 2 is a very very long stretch of environmental sounds ending with a faster part 3 sounds like leftovers, has some slightly thumpier parts 4 is much thumpier still, but like 3 it doesn't seem coherent 5 achieves a smooth blend of beats and ambience, much more enjoyable. So there. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3621 Re: Dark Moog Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 5/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 7:06 pm Subject: Re: Free Franke Promo CD offer! Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-06 14:04:43 EDT, you write: >1. 'You play a good game boy, but the game is finished! Now you die!' Line from 'Phantasm' The game is finished for me because I have no clue about the rest of the quotes.Oh well. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 7:31 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #911 Really-From: MiqSk8@a... vic, if you _really_ need it, i'll sell you my still sealed casette of a time for heroes for .... $50! such a deal!!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3623 Re: tadream-digest V15 #911 Vic Rek Wed 5/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 7:24 pm Subject: Re: A Supercollector in our midst -- How about 'L'affaire Wallraf f?' Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> You want a challenge? How about one copy of the original ST to 'The >> Keep' on vinyl? > >Do you know anyone who actually HAS this album? I'd be very very >interested in seeing it. I have a lot of 'I had it in my hands and when I >came back later it was gone' stories...but yet...I've still never seen 1 >single copy of this so-called release. If someone DOES have it why has it >not been put on a CDR somewhere and booted? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? >Bueller? My TD supplier for several years said it was released briefly in '84 or so, then yanked due to copyright conflicts. He never had one in his store, but had one on order for me. He's gotten me imports, cut-out LP's, etc. so I trust his word. Voodoo economics? :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 7:47 pm Subject: Re: D:())(())(()'Goblins' Club'())(())(() Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-06 12:32:38 EDT, you write: << Am I being too hard? I Don't Think So. Sorry, but I think you are. The elements of 'Sad Merlin's Sunday' are, as opposed to the majority of recent TD music, not all squeezed together 3 bars each into a 5-minute-piece, they actually elaborate on the motifs they bring into the song. >> OK, I'll concede 1/2 point here. I may have been too hard, but I still don't think this is a best effort under any stretch of the imagination. The piece, SMS, is just so much Edgar Froese style musical potificating. Just to give you the benefit of the doubt, however, I just put on this one song. Alone. By itself. And I waited to see what would happen. It begins nicely. Atmospheric. Serene. Contemplative. The chorus sound and the virtual acoustic guitar are good. Then this darkness begins to enter in the background. Abruptly the pastoral theme is abandoned, and the darkness remains. A tentative percussive intorduction begins an urgent ascending race out of the darkness, which is ultimately left behind. Then what? Then this plateau of new age style musical patterns goes nowhere, IMHO, sure there are attempted nuances, but it falls flat. The promise remains unfulfilled. You've said that this is a departure from traditional pop styling, but I think that the traditional pop rhythm tracks that permeate this tune are a major element in its downfall. All my opinion, and all that. After this, the resolution does nothing for me, it just runs out of steam. In listening to the ending, my thoughts are of someone searching for the right series of chords to conclude with. I will reiterate at this point that there are great possibilities here, and I emphasize 'possibilities'. It's just not ready for public exibition in its current form. It was birthed prematurely. Edgar need to work on it a bit more. It needs a middle and an end Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 1:49 pm Subject: Kaleidoscope, S. Roach oops!, classic covers Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... Dreamers Kaleidoscope was a band from the 60s--featured David Lindley [sp?]on guitar and that album is called Tangerine Dream--no mistake that I know of. S. Roach mistake--oops, I've got some gall--didn't mean Empetus was a great live album--should've said Stormwarning. TD classic covers--gee, for those of you who were as frustrated as I was all those years spent searching for the CD of TD's Legend--only to find an empty slot and a filecard... guess it would be safe to say--yeah right--I'd like to see them cover Jerry Goldsmith's ST--Legend. Time to duck and run for cover. --teiwaz still waiting for my DAT of Persistence of Vision to arrive. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: There Are *Two* KEEP Rarities: 1 on LP & 1 on TV Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: The Keep.. >Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 11:25:31 -0700 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > >[...] I'm going to find someone at Virgin and find out what the deal >is with this score. [...] I wrote to them about this very thing about 6 months ago and even enclosed three international postal reply coupons, but never heard back them. >[...] Has anyone actually proposed a cd release of The Keep from >Virgin? A friend who works in a record store claims that back around 1995 he saw a notice in a trade magazine that said that Virgin had announced THE KEEP for the coming year. Obviously, though, Virgin never came through. I think we should launch a letter-writing campaign to both Virgin and the movie company. For the latter, I'd like to write and crab about releasing a 'director's cut' of THE KEEP. Supposedly, there are up to 9 different versions of this film. Apparently, right after its release, director Michael Mann tried re-editing it a few times in order to save what was turning out to be a box office bomb . . . but to no avail. As a funny but true aside, the version of THE KEEP that is shown on UHF TV stations is 7 minutes longer than the version that was in theatres, on cable TV, on videotape, and laserdisc. I've seen it and --although I erased the video--I have the audio portion on cassette tape. If you don't believe me, ask Mark Filipak: I lent the tape to (It's on the end of the FASSBINDER MEMORIAL concert, Mark). Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Emdreams, CNI News, Contact ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Forum, _PEER_ Perspectives, ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ the Nausicaa list, Tadream, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ & Hong Kong Film Connection ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: sfeldman@w... ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 8:36 pm Subject: Speaking of the Keep. . . Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Speaking of the Keep, I was looking for a copy of the MOVIE, not the ST, on Laserdisc. I know it's readily available, but I was looking for a Criterion edition. These editions feature extras like running commentary from the director, DP, etc., theatrical trailers, publicity stills, and lots of extra stuff, for an extra price, of course. None of the Web laserdisc outfits I've contacted know anything. Does anyone on the list know if there's a Criterion available? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Flamebait: DREAM ROOTS CD #5? BIG F-ing DEAL! :( Really-From: Steven Feldman Well, folks, I've played the fifth DREAM ROOTS CD twice, now, and my reaction is much the same as that I just had to BABYLON 5: MESSAGES FROM EARTH . . . which is BFD (Big F-ing Deal)! This stuff sounds like little more than material from SHY PEOPLE, DEADLY CARE, and Chris' PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY. Why are people falling all over themselves over this? Granted, I start off hating new TD almost as a matter of course, but still . . . I expected something more along the lines of 'Silver Scale' but instead wind up with a sappy version of GREEM DESERT! :( :( Still, I'm sure I'll be playing this sucker many many times in the next few weeks, so I'll what I think about it then. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3627 Re: Flamebait: DREAM ROOTS CD #5? BIG F-ing DEAL Salmij{rvi Janne Wed 5/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 6, 1997 5:29 pm Subject: Re: Dark Moog Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 02:34 PM 5/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Ken Alexander >> That's REALLY good news. I should have followed my onw rule >> of thumb: don't get anything that's version 1.0. :-( >DSOTM 5 is far, far better than any of 1-4, IMHO. 1-4 don't really seem to >hold together, but 5 is a really great CD. Some of the tracks on 5 >are even worth putting on endless-repeat. They seem to have more >emotional content, while the tracks on 1-4 are quite cold. > >1 is periods of ambience interspersed with periods of more violent bass >2 is a very very long stretch of environmental sounds ending with a faster part >3 sounds like leftovers, has some slightly thumpier parts >4 is much thumpier still, but like 3 it doesn't seem coherent >5 achieves a smooth blend of beats and ambience, much more enjoyable. Thanks, Ken.... now that's a nice, succint and informative little precis. As Sergeant Friday would have said it 'Just the facts, m'am.' Simply on your say-so I will send off the #1 to someone who will be delighted to get it, and will get the 5th one. Appreciate your comments. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: RE: One more little Jerome... Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (peter stoeferle) >>> I noticed that on Phaedra, Stratosfear, and Zeit (on the inside >>> of the gatefold) there is a picture of a little kid or baby. I hope that >>> this isn't a really old thread but my guess is that its little Jerome. Am >>> I right? Does anyone know? > Yeah, it's Jerome, and the theme continues at least until Tangram (on > the vinyl inside sleeve). Until Tangram? Just have a look at 'White Eagle' and imagine a clock covering the planet surface. Look at the lower area, in between where should be the '6' and '7' of the clock scale. There is --- ?!? Right!!! One more Jerome. (You can hardly see it on the CD cover, even for this reason: long live vinyl!!!) And who knows about the person in strange pale colours at the end of the tunnel on the 'Exit' cover? Peter Stoeferle From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 1:25 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #911 Really-From: Vic Rek Wait a moment. Please read what I write. I'm not desperate here. I have 'Time for Heroes' in CD, LP, cassette (I think), so NOW it's time to die as some one earlier quoted! But I'll give you 7.95 for it? Collecting, it's so unpredictable and So fun!!! At 03:31 PM 5/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: MiqSk8@a... > > >vic, if you _really_ need it, i'll sell you my still sealed casette of a time >for heroes for .... $50! > >such a deal!!! > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 7:06 am Subject: Free Franke Promo CD offer! Winnerdude Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > I have one Pioneer promo CD of Tenchi the movie and Armitage to give > away. All you have to to is be the first one who emails me and tells me > what movies these quotes are from (hey, I had to make you work a little > for the disk heh heh). Here they are: > > 1. 'You play a good game boy, but the game is finished! Now you die!'Phantasm > 2. 'Aye, and if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon.' >Star Trek 3 3. 'See, we plan ahead, that way we're not doing anything right now. Earl explained it to me.' Tremors > 4. 'I was gonna go to tosche station and pick up some power converters > (please imagine a heavy whine with this one)Star Wars > 5. 'Are you kidding? I just want my truck back.' > Big Trouble In Little China > There you go. Have fun with this...I'll email you if you get em all even > if someone got it before you did. Watch for more stuff like this...just > cuz I think it's cool to give stuff away (and how often do you hear > that?). > > regards, > > Dano Well, looks like Vic Rek gets the promo! I've placed the correct answers above so check em out...gonna have to be more difficult next time heh. Will Day emailed me second so I'm gonna send him a TDream LP just for being so rico suave and knowing his flicks. I'll have more giveaways when I get more promos so keep yer eyes out pilgrims...and watch more movies!, DanTheMan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3634 Re: Free Franke Promo CD offer! Winnerdude Vic Rek Wed 5/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 7:20 am Subject: Why The Keep isn't released Really-From: Rakinik Intertype The undetailed version: Well, I asked around today (Hey Lars, I asked Ford for you too!) and I finally know why the Keep is not released...nor is it likely to be so for a while. No one apparently really knows who owns the rights. Since the company that own the movie and the company that owns the rights to Tangerine Dream music from that era (Virgin) are different no one seems to know who gets the rights for a soundtrack release.....er....reminds me of Heavy Metal the Movie sort of. Look how long it took for that movie to finally have a CD pressing of that soundtrack...and to be released on video for that matter. Ah well, the Tsunami Keep and the German boot will have to do for now....bleh spit cough...I spitith on that terrible German boot and it's crappy smell of elderberries! regards, Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3642 Re: Why The Keep isn't released Sean Montgomery Wed 5/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 7:40 am Subject: Re: Silva CDs; a report from the trenches Really-From: Fordat1@a... Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > What does Thaxton have to say about all this???? :Ford doesn't care. He's always too busy in the film newsgroups. As you :probably know Edgar doesn't like Ford (because he released TD music :Edgar had no part of). I'm pretty thankful to Ford. Because of him we :have several great scores we STILL would not have because Edgar is so :tight fisted with his musical releases. :Dan For the record 'Deadly Care', 'Heartbreakers', 'The Park is Mine', as well as 'Dream Music 1 & 2' are still in stock at SILVA AMERICA. 'Dead Solid Perfect' is still in print from SILVA SCREEN RECORDS in England. Regards Ford A Thaxton (fordat1@a...) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 8:00 am Subject: Re: Flamebait: DREAM ROOTS CD #5? BIG F-ing DEAL! :( Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne > Really-From: Steven Feldman > Why are people falling all over themselves over this? I've wondered about the same myself. I feel the stuff on disc 5 is rather bland and forgettable. I'm glad that DRC was as cheap as it was, otherwise I'd feel a lot more disappointed. Tangents was nearly twice as much as DRC but I felt that was worth the money. (Longer CDs for one...) > . . . I expected something more along the lines of 'Silver Scale' Yeah, Silver Scale is probably the best single track that TD has released in 90's (I know, I've said that before.) and as such it's better than any other 'previously unreleased' stuff found on various collections (and even official albums) put together. > Still, I'm sure I'll be playing this sucker many many times in the next > few weeks, so I'll what I think about it then. Good luck, hope it changes. It still hasn't really grown on me, if it ever will remains to be seen. -jhsa -- Stupid user error. Terminate user (Y/n) ? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 4:10 pm Subject: Great British Postal Service Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Well, Quinoa arrived yesterday, although it required the intervention of myself and the Great British Postal Service to see it safely reach its destination. [Short story follows ... delete now if not interested] Whilst at work yesterday morning, a package arrived at my house. However, my wife did not know I was expecting something (never with-hold information from your wife - could cause problems) and so she sent it back with the postman? Why did she do this? Well, because Voiceprint seemed to have some difficulty with my name and address. My REAL name and address is Craig R. J. Cordrey 136 Baldridgeburn Dunfermline Fife KY12 9EH The address Voiceprint put on the package was R. J. Corby 136 Oldridgeburn Dunfermline Fyfe KY12 6AH The first great thing is that somehow the postal service deciphered this garbage into my real address, quite some achievement since the postcode was also wrong. Of course, last night I then had the news from my wife that she had returned this package, and suddenly I was engulfed in one of those mind-warping experiences which you see in cheap thriller TV movies - everything went black and dizzy for a moment. I rushed down to the sorting office in the naive hope that they might be able to help me recover it bfore it was returned-to-sender. In I step : 'Hi, I hope you can help me.' 'I'll try, ' says the old guy behind the counter. 'I had a package delivered this morning but my wife sent it back because it had the wrong name, wrong address and wrong postcode on it. But I know it's for me.' Old man gives me a funny look. Of course, the upshot of all this is, despite having the wrong name, address and postcode on it, I maaged to persuade the old guy that this was indeed for me and so I got it! Does this mean that the British Postal Service is Great, or are they mugs that'll pass out unwanted parcels to anyone who has the brass-neck to ask for them? Anyway, the end of my not-so-youthful (6 months to the big three oh) excuberance. NP : Quinoa P.S. Perhaps this should be revisited in the D: list since in a few weeks time far more people are going to have copies to listen to? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 8:31 am Subject: Re: who cares? Really-From: feldon@n... Am I the only one who's local music store has every single release ever put out by Tangerine Dream with the absolute only exception of 'Underwater Sunlight' and 'Zeit'? This is subtle way of saying, if you need anything, let me know. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 4:35 pm Subject: Radio 1 / E-Music (No TD Content) Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Some of you may remember I wrote to Matthew Bannister, the controller of Radio 1, asking for them to produce an e-music specific program. Yesterday I received a letter from Andy Parfitt, Deputy Controller of Radio 1. In it, he draws my attention to two programmes the BBC have commissioned over the past two years (!), one on ambient music and the other on Kraftwerk. The Kraftwerk programme is being repeated on May 18th. I'm not quite sure what his letter was trying to prove. I'm certainly not persuaded that two hour-long programmes in two years constitutes giving e-music adequate coverage on Britain's leading music station, but there was no hint of anything new on the horizon. So, having failed at the biggest station, where do I try next? Wait for the Virgin/Capitol merger to consolidate and then approach them? Maybe Ashley Franklin (of BBC Radio Derby) could ask for his/her show to be 'syndicated' to other local stations so I could hear it? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 9:55 am Subject: quasar & story of the brave on Miramar Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Sorry if this info has already been posted by someone else recently; i've had e-mail problems again here ... >I can t understand it, but the brick doesn t include 'Quaser' and 'Story of >the brave'. :( >The probably reason is that miramar don t own the rights on that tracks, >which were released by TDI. >Jens -- These tracks WERE released by Miramar in the US! 'story' appeared as a bonus track on a TOTT cd single (in at least two versions -- same music but with slightly different covers) and 'quasar' appeared as the bonus track on a miramar promo CD single for TOB (OK, maybe that's not the sort of 'release' you had in mind). Further, 'quasar' was first 'released' for general distribution on the UK version of TOB on AMP records (with 'stratosfear '94'); the TDI version of TOB (in the UK) is a reissue. A fellow list member tells me that 'quasar' did not appear on TOB released in Italy (I don't know about Germany and other European countries--can anyone add to this??); 'quasar' did appear in Italy on the CDI with the magazine 'New Age Music and New Sounds' #47 which was part of the same company as the label that issued TOB in Italy. I agree about The Brick, it should have had a bonus disc with at least this other Miramar stuff: Rockoon special edit EF interview music from Three Phase not on 220VL (or maybe 3Phase on a disc by itself!) Dreamtime vocal Quasar Story of the Brave Also: a booklet that talked about the seattle years and included a discography (and maybe even a tour listing!) for that period (including comps/samplers and videos), had photos (even if only the press release photos) and transcribed the EF interview (including the out-takes -- there must be more to this interview!)... I wouldn't even care if it was filled with miramar advertisements for its other stuff (junk?). Hell, they even had/have a resident expert in the Seattle area whom they could have asked to do something, 'our own' Matt H.! And while that may not be much, at least it would be something to offer those poor souls (like me) who will fork out the cash for this. And it would be something very civilized to offer most n. american fans who can't readily get their hands on 'quasar') ..... It definitely would have boosted sales for this item!! All those who would buy the brick with this extra disc/s and booklet raise your hands..... Of course, maybe their plan is to issue a 'The Brick 2' that also includes this stuff so after we have shelled out $$ for the first one, we'll have to turn around a buy the second one too!!! record companies, grrrrrrrrrrr. If Miramar is anything like jive/zomba/electro (or whatever it was) we should expect something like the equivalent of 1 compilation issued for every 1 'real' release -- and Miramar really hasn't issued any TD comps yet (just samplers) so I imagine we can expect one soon. Who know, maybe Miramar will just dump the rights to someone like windham hilll (also) and we will get samplers mixed with winston, story, ackerman and TD's 'melrose' and 'Purple Haze' ... is the thought of that enough to make you nauseous or what?! wouldn't it be nice if edgar just bought back the rights to this stuff himself? (or maybe we'd never see anything again?) Lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 2:57 am Subject: Zweitausendeins offers DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION at DM 52,90 Really-From: 'Jens Kilian' Here's a tip for all list members in Germany or the neighbouring countries: The new Merkheft (catalogue) from Zweitausendeins offers the 5-CD 'Dream Roots Collection' at DM 52,90 (about $30). The order no. for this item is 25907. Contacts: Tel 01805-232001 +49-69-4208000 Fax 01805-242001 +49-69-415003 Mail Zweitausendeins Versand Postfach D-60381 Frankfurt am Main If you want to order from abroad, you have to ask them for their conditions. Apparently they don't accept credit cards. To forestall the usual questions: They are trustworthy. They have outlets in several German cities (B, D'U, E, F, FR, HH, K, M, N'U, SB, S). I've done business with them lots of times. Greetings, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-14-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) fax:+49-7031-14-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3636 New to the list Maurice G. Lafleur Wed 5/7/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 1:01 pm Subject: Re: Curiousity or Misinformation? Really-From: TWeibre361@a... the april issue of mojo magazine, in an otherwise forgetable article on td, states: 'Further finances came from the movie score commissions which started to pour in - firstly for William Friedkin's Sorcerer (recorded in its entirety before shooting began), then Thief, Risky Business, Legend and others, plus of course the obligatory Miami Vice contributions.' my question is, what Miami Vice contributions? If this has been discussed, i apologize... tom w np: burning spear live marysville, ca, 1996 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3635 Re: Curiousity or Misinformation? Craig R. J. Cordrey Wed 5/7/1997 3 KB 3682 Re: Curiousity or Misinformation? Dennis Nigbur Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 1:07 pm Subject: Re: Free Franke Promo CD offer! Winnerdude Really-From: Vic Rek I don't watch movies often and I definitely never turn on the TV (except for cartoons and The Weather Channel), but I wished very much for that promo CD and I hoped I could come up with the answers. Well, I called up Dan and the result materialized. Lesson here.. If you want something bad enough, you'll get it. So don't wish too hard for something you may not want, because you just might get it. 'Luck is when preparation meets opportunity'. By the way, good job Will! Vic At 12:06 AM 5/7/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > >> I have one Pioneer promo CD of Tenchi the movie and Armitage to give >> away. All you have to to is be the first one who emails me and tells me >> what movies these quotes are from (hey, I had to make you work a little >> for the disk heh heh). Here they are: >> > >Well, looks like Vic Rek gets the promo! I've placed the correct answers >above so check em out...gonna have to be more difficult next time heh. >Will Day emailed me second so I'm gonna send him a TDream LP just for >being so rico suave and knowing his flicks. I'll have more giveaways when >I get more promos so keep yer eyes out pilgrims...and watch more movies!, > >DanTheMan > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 9:12 pm Subject: Re: Curiousity or Misinformation? Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > > my question is, what Miami Vice contributions? If this has been discussed, i > apologize... > The only time I have heard TD and Miami Vice being mentioned together is when people lament about TD's choice to opt for StreetHawk rather than MV. Someone said that Michael Mann was very keen for them to do MV, but had to get Jan Hammer instead when they plumped for SH. I have a couple of (poor) Miami Vice compilation tapes, both of which feature Jan Hammer and beither of which features any TD tracks. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 1:33 pm Subject: New to the list Really-From: 'Maurice G. Lafleur' Hello everyone, I am new to the TD list and in fact I am new to TD music altogether. I have a question to ask: I want to buy one or two CD's that would represent TD's work well. Where do I start? I must say that I am much into prog music and long intrumental pieces (such as Mike Oldfield music). you can e-mail me privately. Many thanks, -- PLEASE NOTE MY NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: S.V.P. NOTER MA NOVELLE ADRESSE ELECTRONIQUE: mlafleur@o... My former address (heritage@i...) will remain valid until the end of May 1997. Mon ancienne addresse (heritage@i...) demeurera valide jusqu'a la fin mai 1997. Thank you. Maurice Lafleur ---------------------------------------------- 325 Cite des Jeunes | Le defi avec son temp libre est d'empecher | Hull. Qc. | les autres de s'en servir. | Canada | The challenge with your spare time is to | J8Y 6T3 | keep others from using it. | ---------------------------------------------- +1(819).778.2270 ext 1412 Visit my home page at: Voyez ma page a: On Wed, 7 May 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Jens Kilian' > > > Here's a tip for all list members in Germany or the neighbouring countries: > > The new Merkheft (catalogue) from Zweitausendeins offers the 5-CD > 'Dream Roots Collection' at DM 52,90 (about $30). The order no. for this item > is 25907. > > Contacts: > > Tel 01805-232001 > +49-69-4208000 > > Fax 01805-242001 > +49-69-415003 > > Mail Zweitausendeins Versand > Postfach > D-60381 Frankfurt am Main > > If you want to order from abroad, you have to ask them for their conditions. > Apparently they don't accept credit cards. > > To forestall the usual questions: They are trustworthy. They have outlets in > several German cities (B, D'U, E, F, FR, HH, K, M, N'U, SB, S). I've done > business with them lots of times. > > Greetings, > > Jens. > -- > mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-14-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) > fax:+49-7031-14-7351 > PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, > 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 1:50 pm Subject: OAISIS Really-From: Michael A Jean The autographs are authentic. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 2:31 pm Subject: Re: New to the list Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Maurice G. Lafleur' > > Hello everyone, > I am new to the TD list and in fact I am new to TD music altogether. I > have a question to ask: I want to buy one or two CD's that would represent > TD's work well. Where do I start? I must say that I am much into prog > music and long intrumental pieces (such as Mike Oldfield music). Welcome aboard, Maurice. I'm sure you'll find that TD has a lot to offer you. If you like 'prog rock' (in the sense of, say, early Genesis or Emerson Lake and Palmer) you should definitely check out 'Cyclone' first. 'Force Majeure' and 'Encore' to my mind are the most instantly accessible to rock fans. If you like Mike Oldfield's 'Tubular Bells', you might find the older works like Phaedra or Rubycon (which were written at a similar time) to be more up your alley. I'd say the best all-round intro to TD would be 'Dream Sequence'. I'm posting to the list so that you can hear different opinions to mine, hopefully with some reasoning behind the differences. Also, ask Mark Filipak for his 'Introduction to TD' text file. I'm sure he'd be delighted to e-mail it to you. filipak@k... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3644 Re: New to the list Marcel Engels Wed 5/7/1997 2 KB 3647 Re: New to the list Plumer, Scott Wed 5/7/1997 2 KB 3649 Re: New to the list TangerineC@a... Wed 5/7/1997 2 KB 3673 Re: New to the list Grant Middleton Thu 5/8/1997 3 KB 3678 Re: New to the list Maurice G. Lafleur Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB 3674 Re: New to the list Plumer, Scott Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB 3675 Re: New to the list Grant Middleton Thu 5/8/1997 3 KB 22175 New to the list Vince LeGrand Wed 4/26/2000 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 2:40 pm Subject: Re: More Soundtracks? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-06 14:30:31 EDT, you write: << How about 'Oedipus Tyrannus'? SCott >> Huh? What _is_ this? Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 3:42 pm Subject: Re: even more neat stuff found Really-From: 'Asbacher John' > I was musing what led such a person to abandon their whole collection. Was > he fresh from DeTox? or had he been Born Again? Perhaps he was in a bad > divorce and wanted to keep them out of his Ex's hands? Clearly he needed > money and I'm sure we'd all sell our priceless jewels (Yes Blix, even you!) > if we had to--but to dump what must certainly have been one's entire > collection... well that is almost unconscionable read stolen. __________________________________________ - John Asbacher - Andromeda Group Enterprises Corp. - 2834 Vine Street Vancouver, B.C. - V6K 3L4 Canada 604 734-5408 __________________________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 2:42 pm Subject: Re: who cares? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-06 10:04:19 EDT, you write: << Come on guys....who cares what's in the local music store when you can shop worldwide with the internet!!!! MJ >> Come on Mike there is nothing as heartwarming as human contact. Besides it can take hours to find something on the web. Personally I much prefer a phone call to my favourite retail guru and say, 'Frank, this is Phil, can you try and get me a vinyl mono copy of Sonny Rollin's 'Out West'.' To which he will respond, 'Hmmm, that's a tough one, Phil. Would you accept a used copy? If so I think I know someone who might be willing to part with it for the right price.' See, people helping people, all for the greater good of mankind. ( A fanfare of trumpets erupts in the background, and are quickly joined by a chorus of angel voices. ) Ahhhh, it's good to be alive!! '$150.00!!! Isn't that a bit steep, Frank?' Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 2:41 pm Subject: Re: Why The Keep isn't released Really-From: Sean Montgomery I wonder why there is such a big deal made out of the rights to the Keep music. Especially at this point, how much money is really at stake? Not a lot. So why can't the movie company, whoever they are, just give in? At the same time, the very fact that The Keep isn't going to move millions of units probably makes the situation worse. I'm just happy that the soundtrack to Legend finally surfaced. I wonder though...Virgin and MCA have obviously worked out their differences, seeing as Sorcerer got released, and tracks from it (and Firestarter) were licenced for appearance on Tangents. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'There is no gravity...the planet sucks' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 3:21 pm Subject: Re: More Soundtracks? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' ><< How about 'Oedipus Tyrannus'? > SCott >> > Huh? What _is_ this? >Phil Naunton Sorry, I mistyped my name. Oh, you mean what's 'Oedipus Tyrannus'! Silly me. In April '74, London stage actor Keith Mitchell heard Phaedra on the BBC and decided to have TD score a stage production of 'Oedipus Trannus' he was involved with at the Chichester Festival Theater. As an actor, I'm surprised that he had any input at all about such things, but who knows. Anyway, TD composed original music for it, and some of it was broadcast by the BBC on Aug. 18, 1974. There's a 20 min. tape available of said music, but I don't have it. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 3:42 pm Subject: Re: New to the list Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: 'Maurice G. Lafleur' > > Hello everyone, > I am new to the TD list and in fact I am new to TD music altogether. I > have a question to ask: I want to buy one or two CD's that would represent > TD's work well. Where do I start? I must say that I am much into prog > music and long intrumental pieces (such as Mike Oldfield music). Welcome to the world of Tangerine Dream, Maurice. As for a CD to start with (as you like Oldfield etc, me too!) I would recommend Tangram or Force Majeure. Both long pieces and very powerful. NP - TD : Melkweg Amsterdam 1997! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 4:04 pm Subject: Re: More Soundtracks? Really-From: Vic Rek Isn't part of this production titled 'Overture' which appears on the 'V' sampler? (and some CD-Rs?) Vic >Oh, you mean what's 'Oedipus Tyrannus'! Silly me. In April '74, London >stage actor Keith Mitchell heard Phaedra on the BBC and decided to have >TD score a stage production of 'Oedipus Trannus' he was involved with at >the Chichester Festival Theater. As an actor, I'm surprised that he had >any input at all about such things, but who knows. Anyway, TD composed >original music for it, and some of it was broadcast by the BBC on Aug. >18, 1974. There's a 20 min. tape available of said music, but I don't >have it. > >Scott > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 4:21 pm Subject: Re: who cares? Really-From: TangerineC@a... Do you have the single Ultima Thule by Tangerine Dream? If so, how much would you sell it for? Thanks. TangerineC@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 5:24 pm Subject: Re: New to the list Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > TD's work well. Where do I start? I must say that I am much into prog > music and long intrumental pieces (such as Mike Oldfield music). I suggest you start with Electronic Meditation, Cyclone, Destination Berlin and Turn of the Tides. :-) Seriously, if you're looking for stuff like Oldfield, you won't find it. What may seem most familiar to you, IMHO, is Encore, live from 1977. Their other live albums represent a good samplig of their sound from a particular era: Ricochet, Pergamon (my personal favorite), Logos, Poland, Live Miles and 220 Volt. The best option for you would be to go to your local public library (shameless plug from librarian alert) and see what they have there. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: The Rare Part of THE KEEP *Movie* (a re-post from Nov. '96) Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, The following is a re-post: (I've since lent the audio tape of this part of THE KEEP movie to Mark Filipak, and I'm dying to hear what he has to about this little piece of music. So, whaddaya say, Mark?) -- Steven Feldman and + + + + + + + Date: Sat, 02 Nov 96 16:47:58 EST From: Steen Feldman Subject: Timings for the UHF-Only Part of THE KEEP To: Tangerine Dream Digest Folks, The following is a forwarding of a note I sent to Karl Reinsch concerning putting this elusive part of THE KEEP soundtrack in a sound file on the web. The most important part is Karl's comment, 'I just don't want to end up with a phone-call from Edgar's lawyers. I'm tempted to sound out the TD list to see what people think Edgar would do.' Well, here I am, 'sounding out the TD list': -- Steven Feldman & + + + + + + + Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 15:55:37 EST From: Steven Feldman Subject: Timings for the UHF-Only Part of THE KEEP To: 'Karl W. Reinsch' In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 28 Oct 1996 16:30:10 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 28 Oct 1996 16:30:10 -0500 (EST) [Karl] said: >On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Steven Feldman wrote: > >> If I send out a tape, I'll be trusting you to return it because >> it will be the original; I mean, why make the sound even worse than >> it already is? > >That's fine. It's on a better-quality tape than I remembered: a Maxell XL2S (i.e. an XLII-S). >> IS MINE and some other Silva Screen release because even though the >> rights had been obtained, Ed hadn't given his permission or somesuch-- >> and THE PARK IS MINE is one of the best TD releases *ever*, IMHO. And >> really, I don't think they care that THE KEEP music might get out. I >> mean, Edgar has apparently let a total of five tracks slip out over >> German radio, three of which are on the Blue Moon bootleg CD of THE >> KEEP. This would be a boot, not a pirated piece of music, because it >> wouldn't be competing with a commercially-available product. > >I just don't want to end up with a phone-call from Edgar's lawyers. I'm >tempted to sound out the TD list to see what people think Edgar would do. Go ahead. I just want this music out there for people to hear and discuss. At any rate, I listened to the tape last night and made a bunch of observations as regards the duration of parts of it so that I can give you pretty specific timings. The length of the entire section of the movie I taped is 12:32 (twelve minutes and thirty-two seconds). At the 2:20 mark, we hear the sound of Glaeken's energy rod activating as the grail-shaped top part of it is connected to the rod. The UHF-only stuff starts at around the 3:20 mark when Glaeken tells the girl, 'Take your father and get out of here.' We hear Glaeken's energy rod blast out at Molasaar three more times at the 4:24 mark. The actual song in question starts at the 5:00 mark. It is 7:32 in total. ||| The first 3:25 is the end theme from the laserdisk/videotape/cable version of the film, but instead of fading at the end to the sound of blowing wind, the song takes a turn into the gutteral and ugly. At the 6:00 mark there is a quieter passage with majestic mellotron, and then the familiar theme returns at the 6:39 mark. The song begins the same as in the regular version, but instead of a fade-out to blowing wind at the end, the song continues, and eventually ends--without wind sounds. Basically, the song is 7:32, with the old part 3:25 and the new part running 4:07 mins. Here, then, is an itemization of the song's actual length: TAPE TIME... 12:32 o 2:20 Glaeken joins the parts of the power rod together. o 3:20 'Take your father and get out of this place.' quote. o 4:24 Glaeken's rod blasts Molasaar three times. o 5:00 Song begins... SONG TIME... 7:32 o 0:00 The familiar end-theme starts up. o 3:25 The unfamiliar part of the song starts. o 6:00 quietish mellotron interlude o 6:39 The familiar end-theme returns. o 7:32 End >-karl. >kreinsch@r... -- Steven Feldman & Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3687 The Rare Part of THE KEEP *Movie* (a re-post from Steven Feldman Thu 5/8/1997 7 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 6:10 pm Subject: Re: New to the list Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-07 14:05:38 EDT, you write: >As for a CD to start with (as you like Oldfield etc, me too!) I would >recommend Tangram or Force Majeure. Both long pieces and very >powerful. > I agree with this too. Definetly these 2 albums. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 1:56 pm Subject: distribution Really-From: Michael Fox >Please give up on this 'Tower says it's out of print, therefore it is' >thing. Tower records and their ilk simply don't care about getting >ahold of stuff not sold by their normal distribution channels and they >usually don't have the know-how to do so. SOMETIMES, if you are lucky >to have a good local store manager, this is not the case. > >Just because Musicland/Tower/Camelot/Virgin/Sam Goody say something is >out of print doesn't make it so. ESPECIALLY here in the US. These >stores purchase from one of several major distribution companies who >don't carry a lot of smaller labels. I think I can shed some light here as I was a co-owner of a mom and pop store. Tower 'and their ilk' don't deal with distributors--they by direct from the record commpanies and even have side distributorships for the small label stuff. A good friend of mine is head of marketing for Bayside--Towers small label dist. arm. Same goes for the other chains mentioned. (Muusicland/Sam goody's recently filed for bankruptcy--say bye bye to them soon!). As to myself, I delt with several 'major' distibutors (always looking for price) and a bunch of small distributors for imports, etc. SOme of these bought lots from others, 'hence that out of print thing I can get for you' can be true--but experience says even then it's tuff to get the stuff sometimes. Also, the Major's also get dibs on POP material (promo's, posters, etc.--BTW, POP is Point Of Purchase). They also get price breaks for buying in volume (so why don't YOU get this break?) that the small guy can't compete with. When we closed down, avg. COST per disk was around $10.99 US and we sold for $13.99. Not much profit margin, eh? One final note--any major distributor carries the small label stuff. I did by direct from a few labels, but not many wanted to deal in smaller quantity. PS--we had a very extensive EM catalogue in the store--it was hard to rationalize financially, but we did it! Mike (and his 2 cents worth) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 1:59 pm Subject: none Really-From: Michael Fox >Really-From: David Thielen > > >please remove me from these list(s). I was mail-bombed on to over 1,000 >e-mail lists - I did not join this on purpose. > FYI: To all: there is a free service for cancellation at www.cancel-it.com and it works very well. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9198 Re: Vincent Goudreault Mon 12/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re New to the list Really-From: Steven Feldman Hmmm... into prog rock and now TD, eh? Lessee... I think those who recommended ENCORE, CYCLONE, FORCE MAJEURE and TANGRAM did indeed make the safest and most apropos choices, but I'd add the following three recordings as possibilities, too: o GREEN DESERT (recorded in 1973; remixed & released in 1986) o STRATOSFEAR (1976; the 1st TD record to see an American release) o TURN OF THE TIDES (1994; like Rush, Yes, and Alan Parsons Project) Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Kaleidoscope Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >>Really-From: TangerineC@a... >>In a message dated 97-05-06 10:49:52 EDT, you write: >>>From the LP's cover design, it's totally ambiguous >>>whether 'Tangerine Dream' is the album title or the band's name, and I >>swear, >>>one of the four band members on the front cover really looks very much like >>>Edgar Froese. I don't know if the CD issue is similarly ambiguous. >>How could this be on purpose if the album came out before Tangerine Dream was >>even known to Edgar? This is more likely were Edgar got the name from. At the >>time the group Kaleidoscope had a few hits on the charts, so obviously this >>album was known to Edgar. Note that I said that I had a 'reissue' of the 'Kaleidoscope' LP, not the original 1960s LP. The reissue was released sometime in the late 1980s, and I don't know if the reissue reproduced the original LP's cover or had a wholly new one created for it. Anyhow, my mislead-the-record-buying-public conspiracy theories aside, if you saw the cover of the LP, you would agree that it's impossible from the typographic design to tell (unless you were familiar with who the pictured band members were) whether 'Tangerine Dream' or 'Kaleidoscope' was the bandname. And I've seen this LP often misfiled in used record shops under TD, so record-shop personnel have been confused by it too. JB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 11:17 pm Subject: the BRICK for 19.99? Really-From: Michael A Jean Yes it is true...at COLUMBIA HOUSE this month..... www.columbiahouse.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 11:16 pm Subject: strange behavior Really-From: Michael A Jean Was there more than one version of this movie.... The version I saw turned my stomach (it was digusting) and I don't remember alot of music other than a bit of acoustic guitar strumming... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 7, 1997 11:19 pm Subject: ORIGINAL HEARTBREAKERS S/T Really-From: Michael A Jean Anyone interested in purchasing a copy of the original LP? MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3663 Re: ORIGINAL HEARTBREAKERS S/T Francisco Salgado C. Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB 3692 Re: ORIGINAL HEARTBREAKERS S/T PNaunton@a... Fri 5/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 12:28 am Subject: Re: Silva CDs; a report from the trenches Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! >Really-From: David Datta > > >... > You've donre a mans' work, Dave! Your post came in just as I was sitting down to compose what would have been essentially verbatim what you said! Thanks for saving my fingers, and time! BTW, it was going to be part of the next FAQ; do you mind if I steal it? Later! goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 8:44 am Subject: Re: Kaleidoscope Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-08 04:39:40 EDT, you write: > if you >saw the cover of the LP, you would agree that it's impossible from the >typographic design to tell (unless you were familiar with who the pictured >band >members were) whether 'Tangerine Dream' or 'Kaleidoscope' was the bandname That's something else. Imagine a band that has nothing to do with TD, suckering the public into buying their album by looking like and confusing the title, to make it look like a TD album. Sad. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 8:55 am Subject: Re:Strange Behavior Really-From: TangerineC@a... There is only one version of this movie. It is kind of gory at times,but the atmosphere is spooky, partly due to TD's music. Yes, there is a guitar strumming song while the synths play in the background. It is a very moody and pretty peice of music.It's also the best song in the movie. It's a shame that it was never released. The song you're talking about in the movie, is in a part where they show you the sleepy little town. You get exactly that feeling when you see that scene with that song attached to it. The rest of the music though is quite different. It goes from scary to suspensfull. If you cant rent it, Rhino home video has it for sale. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3677 Re: Strange Behavior TangerineC@a... Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 10:08 am Subject: d: addendum, week of May 12 Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> D: List, Addendum; Week of May 12 Shepherd's Bush CD Enjoy! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 10:08 am Subject: d: addendum, week of May 19 Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I am sending this early since I may not have a chance to send it next week. D: List, Addendum; Week of May 19 Tangents Enjoy! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 10:41 am Subject: NEW AGE by Jorge Munnche Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hi Friends, I bougth this book yesterday, and I'm still reading it. Don't be confused by the title, it's a very well documented history of electronic music. on the book mention some of our friends here. Ash, deserved an 8 line quote: 'Ashok Prema, of hidu origin, although living in the U.K., is a peculiar case of oriental artist, creating electronic music from it's own idiosyncrasy. his musical view is a blend of World music with a strong cosmic compound,influenced by the Berlin school. Not without reason he bas been described as the Oriental Tangerine Dream' I will coment more things as reading it but I wanted to comment another quote: Speaking about Tangerine Dream, back in the seventies. Jorge wrote: 'Back in those days, TD still had a sinister fame. To the eyes of the world they were hippies with their mind distorted by LSD, and who by means of snythesizers shaped their hallucinations on their music. It was said their music was an indiction to drug consume, since it was considered theirs was an ideal 'trance' music to go along the (chemical) 'trips'. ' ( Jorge, I hope you liked my unauthorized english translation) ---FSC Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3666 Re: NEW AGE by Jorge Munnche Grant Middleton Thu 5/8/1997 3 KB 3679 Re: NEW AGE by Jorge Munnche TangerineC@a... Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB 3681 Re: NEW AGE by Jorge Munnche TangerineC@a... Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB 3695 Re: NEW AGE by Jorge Munnche Grant Middleton Fri 5/9/1997 3 KB 3747 NEW AGE by Jorge Munnche jeffrey@i... Sun 5/11/1997 2 KB 3749 Re: NEW AGE by Jorge Munnche Francisco Salgado C. Sun 5/11/1997 2 KB 3753 Re: NEW AGE by Jorge Munnche Francisco Salgado C. Sun 5/11/1997 2 KB 3755 Re: NEW AGE by Jorge Munnche Francisco Salgado C. Sun 5/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 10:09 am Subject: Re: ORIGINAL HEARTBREAKERS S/T Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > Anyone interested in purchasing a copy of the original LP? I have it. To me it sounds better than the CD version. I find this CD to heve some distorsion the LP lacks. Does this happen to anybody else ? Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 8:53 am Subject: Help: Raetikon Track 1 Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Helpful Folk. I was listening to the first track on 'Raetikon' (which is also called 'Raetikon') closely for the first time and, sure enough, it starts with 'Mojove Plan,' but after 26 minutes 'Mojave Plan' finishes and is followed by.... what? RAETIKON [1 Mar 82] Melbourne - EF/CF/JS 1- Raetikon [43:32] 00:00 Mojave Plan 26:55 (unknown) 33:01 (familiar but I can't place it) 40:00 (very familiar - argh!) I searched through CDs for these and still couldn't identify them. Anybody know what the tunes are at the indicated index times? Thanks -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3670 Re: Help: Raetikon Track 1 Jens Peschke Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 11:07 am Subject: Quinoa Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi All. I decided to screw the cost and to call Voiceprint directly at their UK number. I just got off the phone with a chap named Simon who said that my 3 copies went out on the 1st, via DHL surface. He said it should take 7 days, so I should have them in the next few days. (Whew!) I was totally amazed. As soon as I said my name he said 'Yes, you ordered 3 copies of 'Quinona' [that's how he pronounced it]. They went out in the post on the 1st.' He couldn't have had the time to look me up on a computer -- not even a 200 MHz Pentium Pro. He said it immediately as though we'd been talking just a few minutes earlier. I would have said that he gives everyone this 'story' but he did know I'd ordered 3 of them. So I'd guess that Rob Ayling has put Simon on this full time to speed things along. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 11:23 am Subject: Re: NEW AGE by Jorge Munnche Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > 'Back in those days, TD still had a sinister fame. To the eyes of the > world they were hippies with their mind distorted by LSD, and who by > means of snythesizers shaped their hallucinations on their music. > It was said their music was an indiction to drug consume, since it was > considered theirs was an ideal 'trance' music to go along the > (chemical) 'trips'. ' I certainly remember deliberately /not/ playing TD or others of that ilk in front of my parents, because it was 'dangerous' music. I didn't want to be thought of as a druggie when I was 14 years old. Once I actually /did/ try LSD (around 19 years old), I found that TD did indeed offer the best in 'trip music', bar none. Strange, how it's possible to make that connection without ever having had the experience. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 12:29 pm Subject: Homepage FSP Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' I know this hasn't got anything to do with TD (or does it?!?). Anyway, I've got a homepage right now. It doesn't have all those flashy graphics and moving objects but it is a start. I'm just beginning to understand HTML, so updates will come soon. For all those of you who asked about info on me and my music, I can now give you the following addres: http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Thanks and later Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 12:22 pm Subject: Raetikon Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > >Hi Helpful Folk. I was listening to the first track on 'Raetikon' >(which is also called 'Raetikon') closely for the first time and, sure >enough, it starts with 'Mojove Plan,' but after 26 minutes 'Mojave Plan' >finishes and is followed by.... what? > > RAETIKON [1 Mar 82] Melbourne - EF/CF/JS > 1- Raetikon [43:32] > 00:00 Mojave Plan > 26:55 (unknown) > 33:01 (familiar but I can't place it) > 40:00 (very familiar - argh!) > >I searched through CDs for these and still couldn't identify them. >Anybody know what the tunes are at the indicated index times? > >Thanks -- Mark > You're right with Mojave Plan, not difficult to guess. The second piece (26:55) is on none of the TD albums (unless maybe on some completly rare and unknown or non published soundtrack, who knows?) and has been played on (proably) all concerts in the early 80s. It has a wonderful Schmoelling Jupiter 8 rectange wave sound chord progression over the most primitive sequencer line (just one note: dum dum dum dum ...ya, just like 'Dr. Destructo'!) and drum track you can imagine, but extremely effective, until Chris puts echoes on a multitude of percussion sounds, Edgar and Johannes adding some funny noises. Heard this live two times (as I now know because I've got the fantapes). Wonderful. Then there is some sequencer line and Johannes chord progression is more chopped. At some stage there is Force Majeure, more precisly the second last part of Force Majeure, with the nice sequencer + spinett + sweet melody. The other track is likely (damn, I've got to listen to it again, too) the standard Logos ending. Of course you know the encores: the super mega hyper hard-to-beat version of 'Choronzon', and 'Midnight in Thula'. Armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 `Live is complex - it has a real and an imaginary part!' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3669 Re: Raetikon G.K.Naughton@i... Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB 3689 Re: Raetikon Larry E Smith Fri 5/9/1997 5 KB 3690 Re: Raetikon John Christian Fri 5/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: Raetikon Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... >At some stage there is Force Majeure, >more precisly the second last part of Force Majeure, with the nice >sequencer + spinett + sweet melody. The other track is likely >(damn, I've got to listen to it again, too) the standard Logos ending. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It's very similar to the Logos ending but definitely not the same. I prefer this version to the one on the record. Glynn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 1:11 pm Subject: Re: Help: Raetikon Track 1 Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > Hi Helpful Folk. I was listening to the first track on 'Raetikon' > (which is also called 'Raetikon') closely for the first time and, sure > enough, it starts with 'Mojove Plan,' but after 26 minutes 'Mojave Plan' > finishes and is followed by.... what? > > RAETIKON [1 Mar 82] Melbourne - EF/CF/JS > 1- Raetikon [43:32] > 00:00 Mojave Plan > 26:55 (unknown) 26:55 Dr Destructo rhythm track + ? > 33:01 (familiar but I can't place it) > 40:00 (very familiar - argh!) 40:00 Force Majeure (11:59....) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 1:31 pm Subject: Really-From: 'Maurice G. Lafleur' unsubscribe tadream mlafleur@o... end Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4295 ashok prema Wed 5/28/1997 5 KB 4303 Jay Dawes Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB 4705 Armin Theissen Fri 6/6/1997 2 KB 4726 Re: Marcel Engels Fri 6/6/1997 3 KB 4759 Klaus Beschorner Sun 6/8/1997 2 KB 5556 ashok prema Tue 7/1/1997 5 KB 5561 Re: Marcel Engels Tue 7/1/1997 2 KB 5820 Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 7/10/1997 2 KB 5952 feldon@p... Wed 7/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 1:30 pm Subject: Thank you! Really-From: 'Maurice G. Lafleur' Thank you all for the numerous help messages I received concerning whar album from TD I should acquire as a starter. It now amounts to 3-4 of them so I'll start looking pretty soon. Thanx again, ML. -- PLEASE NOTE MY NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: S.V.P. NOTER MA NOVELLE ADRESSE ELECTRONIQUE: mlafleur@o... My former address (heritage@i...) will remain valid until the end of May 1997. Mon ancienne addresse (heritage@i...) demeurera valide jusqu'a la fin mai 1997. Thank you. Maurice Lafleur ---------------------------------------------- 325 Cite des Jeunes | Le defi avec son temp libre est d'empecher | Hull. Qc. | les autres de s'en servir. | Canada | The challenge with your spare time is to | J8Y 6T3 | keep others from using it. | ---------------------------------------------- +1(819).778.2270 ext 1412 Visit my home page at: Voyez ma page a: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 2:03 pm Subject: Re: New to the list Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Maurice G. Lafleur' > > Hello everyone, > I am new to the TD list and in fact I am new to TD music altogether. I > have a question to ask: I want to buy one or two CD's that would represent > TD's work well. Where do I start? I must say that I am much into prog > music and long intrumental pieces (such as Mike Oldfield music). > unsubscribe tadream mlafleur@o... > end Was it something we said ? Better pass me the deodorant. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3678 Re: New to the list Maurice G. Lafleur Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 2:48 pm Subject: Re: New to the list Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> unsubscribe tadream mlafleur@o... >> end >Was it something we said ? Maybe he took my advice on the suggestion for first albums! :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 2:51 pm Subject: Re: New to the list Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > Was it something we said ? > > > > Better pass me the deodorant. I sent this off before I received the message from Maurice saying that he'd got all the info he wanted. I didn't mean any offence. Hope you didn't take any, Maurice. Enjoy your first exposure to TD ! Man, imagine being able to hear Phaedra, Rubycon, Encore, Force Majeure, etc. for the first time. Lucky dog ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Swap request for 1997 concerts Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hello folks, Well, seeing as the first part of the TD '97 European tour is winding down, it's time to ask.... Anyone heard or have any fan tapes of any of the tour concerts? Things have been rather quiet on that front so far. Whether the sound quality is good or bad, or the material is complete or only part of the show, I'd be interested in swapping concert cassettes with anyone who has recordings of any of the 1997 TD shows. I have tapes of most of the pre-1997 TD concerts that I can offer in return. Please email me at 72241.2313@c... if interested. Cheers John From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 3:32 pm Subject: Re: Strange Behavior Really-From: TangerineC@a... There is only one version of this movie. It is kind of gory at times,but the atmosphere is spooky, partly due to TD's music. Yes, there is a guitar strumming song while the synths play in the background. It is a very moody and pretty peice of music.It's also the best song in the movie. It's a shame that it was never released. The song you're talking about in the movie, is in a part where they show you the sleepy little town. You get exactly that feeling when you see that scene with that song attached to it. The rest of the music though is quite different. It goes from scary to suspensfull. If you cant rent it, Rhino home video has it for sale. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 3:27 pm Subject: Re: New to the list Really-From: 'Maurice G. Lafleur' > > > unsubscribe tadream mlafleur@o... > > end > > Was it something we said ? > > > > Better pass me the deodorant. > No not at all, I got the answers I was looking for and I have to unsubscribe because the list is generating quite a bit of traffic on my (poor's man) Linux system (8 megs of ram, 486DLC, 5 megs of disk left...) I will subscribe again later, when i have a better Internet link. Thanx again. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 3:39 pm Subject: Re: NEW AGE by Jorge Munnche Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-08 10:17:02 EDT, you write: >I certainly remember deliberately /not/ playing TD or others of >that ilk in front of my parents, because it was 'dangerous' >music. I didn't want to be thought of as a druggie when I was >14 years old. > >Once I actually /did/ try LSD (around 19 years old), I found >that TD did indeed offer the best in 'trip music', bar none. Strange, >how it's possible to make that connection without ever having had >the experience. Your parents must be very proud of you. (Can you smell the sarcasim?) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 3:56 pm Subject: Re: new to the list Really-From: Alan Justrabo >Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 09:33:07 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: New to the list > >Really-From: 'Maurice G. Lafleur' > >Hello everyone, >I am new to the TD list and in fact I am new to TD music altogether. I >have a question to ask: I want to buy one or two CD's that would represent >TD's work well. Where do I start? I must say that I am much into prog >music and long intrumental pieces (such as Mike Oldfield music). >Maurice Lafleur ----------------------------------- >Visit my home page at: >Voyez ma page a: Salut Maurice! If you find that you like Tangerine Dream, you will really like them, just as with Mike Oldfield. I agree with others who have responded, that 'Encore' and 'Force Majeure' would be a great start. If you like long instrumentals you might also like to try 'Ricochet', it's one of my favourites, along with 'Stratosfear', 'Sorceror' (soundtrack), 'Phaedra' and 'Rubycon'. I was fortunate to see them at Salle Wilfred-Pelletier, 9 Avril 1977 and I found them to be an incredible live band and I hope for you that they come to Montreal on the next tour. Now, if only Mike would do a one-time double-bill with them...:) I have enjoyed your messages on amarok, your homepage, and now it's great to have you here, too. Enjoy Tangerine Dream. Al Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30944 new to the list jbrenholts@a... Tue 1/1/2002 2 KB 30954 Re: new to the list odean@m... Tue 1/1/2002 2 KB 30945 Re: new to the list Synthhtnys@a... Tue 1/1/2002 2 KB 30988 Re: new to the list Adele Outland Thu 1/3/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 4:24 pm Subject: Re: NEW AGE by Jorge Munnche Really-From: TangerineC@a... Oh yeah, almost forgot. If you are deeply into the music(at least for me), you dont need drugs to enhance it. I get chills when I hear Mysterious Semblance and many other of their tunes. That's a natural high for me. Unfortunatley,a lot of people would'nt agree with me. Or would they? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 11:12 pm Subject: Re: Curiousity or Misinformation? Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Wed, 7 May 1997 09:01:01 -0400 (EDT) tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: TWeibre361@a... >in - firstly for William Friedkin's Sorcerer (recorded in its entirety before >shooting began), then Thief, Risky Business, Legend and others, plus of >course the obligatory Miami Vice contributions.' > >my question is, what Miami Vice contributions? If this has been discussed, i >apologize... > >tom w > >np: burning spear live marysville, ca, 1996 As far as I know, TD were going to score Miami Vice, but for one reason or the other, Ian Hammer got the job instead. I don't know if there actually _are_ any TD contributions to the soundtrack. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 7:21 pm Subject: (no subject) Really-From: Olivier Rech Unsubscribe tadream adonis@b... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3684 Dream Mixes RealAudio Sean Montgomery Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB 3686 More TD RealAudio Sean Montgomery Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB 11209 (no subject) Nick.Adams@C... Fri 2/20/1998 2 KB 11210 (no subject) Nick.Adams@C... Fri 2/20/1998 2 KB 11216 (no subject) Nick.Adams@C... Fri 2/20/1998 5 KB 11975 (no subject) Geir Eilertsen Fri 3/13/1998 2 KB 11976 Re: (no subject) Elias Granillo, Jr. Fri 3/13/1998 2 KB 12339 (no subject) DAVENTURA Thu 3/26/1998 2 KB 13129 (no subject) Steve Jenkins Sat 4/18/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 7:35 pm Subject: Dream Mixes RealAudio Really-From: Sean Montgomery Now that I have RealAudio installed on my computer (thanks to the TD concert netcast), I decided to root around the web and see what else I could listen to while I'm working. And lo and behold, I found The AudioNet Jukebox. Currently, 'The Dream Mixes' is their #3 most requested album, and you can listen to the enire thing online. The url is http://ww2.audionet.com/jukebox/ The address to tune into The Dream Mixes is http://ww2.audionet.com/pub/music/techno/DreamMixes28st.ram Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Anaconda...BITES!' Volcano...BLOWS!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 7:58 pm Subject: Help Really-From: 'Kenneth W. Beal' Is anyone in the United States or Canada going to order 'Quinoa' from Voiceprint in the near future? I don't have a credit card and it will cost me an arm and a leg to purchase a foreigh draft in £15.00 british sterling. Anyway, if you are going to order a copy and you are willing to help me out, would you email me off-line so that arrangements can be made for you to order a copy for me. In whoever's debt I shall be in... Thanks, Ken kwb10@l... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5796 Help Michael Trinastic Wed 7/9/1997 2 KB 16311 Help Carl & Jacqui Kearney Tue 5/11/1999 1 KB 16316 Re: Help Shadow Tue 5/11/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 8:04 pm Subject: More TD RealAudio Really-From: Sean Montgomery An addendum to my previous posting.... 220 Volt, Rockoon and Tyranny of Beauty are also online, as well as Franke's Babylon 5 II. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Anaconda...BITES!' Volcano...BLOWS!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: The Rare Part of THE KEEP *Movie* (a re-post from Nov. '96) Really-From: Steven Feldman This didn't get through when I sent it the other day, so . . . ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Folks, The following is a re-post: (I've since lent the audio tape of this part of THE KEEP movie to Mark Filipak, and I'm dying to hear what he has to about this little piece of music. So, whaddaya say, Mark?) -- Steven Feldman and + + + + + + + Date: Sat, 02 Nov 96 16:47:58 EST From: Steen Feldman Subject: Timings for the UHF-Only Part of THE KEEP To: Tangerine Dream Digest Folks, The following is a forwarding of a note I sent to Karl Reinsch concerning putting this elusive part of THE KEEP soundtrack in a sound file on the web. The most important part is Karl's comment, 'I just don't want to end up with a phone-call from Edgar's lawyers. I'm tempted to sound out the TD list to see what people think Edgar would do.' Well, here I am, 'sounding out the TD list': -- Steven Feldman & + + + + + + + Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 15:55:37 EST From: Steven Feldman Subject: Timings for the UHF-Only Part of THE KEEP To: 'Karl W. Reinsch' In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 28 Oct 1996 16:30:10 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 28 Oct 1996 16:30:10 -0500 (EST) [Karl] said: >On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Steven Feldman wrote: > >> If I send out a tape, I'll be trusting you to return it because >> it will be the original; I mean, why make the sound even worse than >> it already is? > >That's fine. It's on a better-quality tape than I remembered: a Maxell XL2S (i.e. an XLII-S). >> IS MINE and some other Silva Screen release because even though the >> rights had been obtained, Ed hadn't given his permission or somesuch-- >> and THE PARK IS MINE is one of the best TD releases *ever*, IMHO. And >> really, I don't think they care that THE KEEP music might get out. I >> mean, Edgar has apparently let a total of five tracks slip out over >> German radio, three of which are on the Blue Moon bootleg CD of THE >> KEEP. This would be a boot, not a pirated piece of music, because it >> wouldn't be competing with a commercially-available product. > >I just don't want to end up with a phone-call from Edgar's lawyers. I'm >tempted to sound out the TD list to see what people think Edgar would do. Go ahead. I just want this music out there for people to hear and discuss. At any rate, I listened to the tape last night and made a bunch of observations as regards the duration of parts of it so that I can give you pretty specific timings. The length of the entire section of the movie I taped is 12:32 (twelve minutes and thirty-two seconds). At the 2:20 mark, we hear the sound of Glaeken's energy rod activating as the grail-shaped top part of it is connected to the rod. The UHF-only stuff starts at around the 3:20 mark when Glaeken tells the girl, 'Take your father and get out of here.' We hear Glaeken's energy rod blast out at Molasaar three more times at the 4:24 mark. The actual song in question starts at the 5:00 mark. It is 7:32 in total. ||| The first 3:25 is the end theme from the laserdisk/videotape/cable version of the film, but instead of fading at the end to the sound of blowing wind, the song takes a turn into the gutteral and ugly. At the 6:00 mark there is a quieter passage with majestic mellotron, and then the familiar theme returns at the 6:39 mark. ----- The song begins the same as in the regular version, but instead of a fade-out to blowing wind at the end, the song continues, and eventually ends--without wind sounds. Basically, the song is 7:32, with the old part 3:25 and the new part running 4:07 mins. Here, then, is an itemization of the song's actual length: TAPE TIME... 12:32 o 2:20 Glaeken joins the parts of the power rod together. o 3:20 'Take your father and get out of this place.' quote. o 4:24 Glaeken's rod blasts Molasaar three times. o 5:00 Song begins... SONG TIME... 7:32 o 0:00 The familiar end-theme starts up. o 3:25 The unfamiliar part of the song starts. [Glaeken cradles Molasar] o 6:00 quietish mellotron interlude o 6:39 The familiar end-theme returns. o 7:32 End >-karl. >kreinsch@r... -- Steven Feldman & From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 12:21 am Subject: Re:local shops Really-From: Michael A Jean Of course I support local shops....that's where you can get all the cool stuff...I was simply suggesting that people in relatively isolated areas can always rely on the internet to find the stuff they are after... MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3739 Re: local shops PNaunton@a... Sun 5/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 1:22 am Subject: Re: Raetikon Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) Where can you purchase Raetikon. How is the quality. Is it worth the price? Thanks for opinions, Larry On Thu, 8 May 1997 13:22:42 +0100 tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) writes: >Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > > >> > >>Hi Helpful Folk. I was listening to the first track on 'Raetikon' > >>(which is also called 'Raetikon') closely for the first time and, >sure >>enough, it starts with 'Mojove Plan,' but after 26 minutes 'Mojave >Plan' >>finishes and is followed by.... what? > >> > >> RAETIKON [1 Mar 82] Melbourne - EF/CF/JS > >> 1- Raetikon [43:32] > >> 00:00 Mojave Plan > >> 26:55 (unknown) > >> 33:01 (familiar but I can't place it) > >> 40:00 (very familiar - argh!) > >> > >>I searched through CDs for these and still couldn't identify them. > >>Anybody know what the tunes are at the indicated index times? > >> > >>Thanks -- Mark > >> > > >You're right with Mojave Plan, not difficult to guess. > >The second piece (26:55) is on none of the TD albums (unless >maybe on some completly rare and unknown or non published soundtrack, >who knows?) and has been played on (proably) all concerts in the >early 80s. It has a wonderful Schmoelling Jupiter 8 rectange wave >sound chord progression over the most primitive sequencer line >(just one note: dum dum dum dum ...ya, just like 'Dr. Destructo'!) >and drum track you can imagine, >but extremely effective, until Chris puts echoes on a multitude of >percussion sounds, Edgar and Johannes adding some funny noises. Heard >this live two times (as I now know because I've got the fantapes). >Wonderful. Then there is some sequencer line and Johannes chord >progression is more chopped. > >At some stage there is Force Majeure, >more precisly the second last part of Force Majeure, with the nice >sequencer + spinett + sweet melody. The other track is likely >(damn, I've got to listen to it again, too) the standard Logos ending. > >Of course you know the encores: the super mega hyper hard-to-beat >version of 'Choronzon', and 'Midnight in Thula'. > >Armin > > > >Armin Theissen >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... >College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen >Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 >Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 > >`Live is complex - it has a real and an imaginary part!' > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 11:15 pm Subject: Re: Raetikon Really-From: John Christian Armin Said: >The second piece (26:55) is on none of the TD albums (unless >maybe on some completly rare and unknown or non published soundtrack, >who knows?) and has been played on (proably) all concerts in the >early 80s. I think this was only on the (late)81 UK tour and the (early)82 australian. I'm not sure about the early 81 European, but it was not in the 80/81 or later 82 ones. I think. Ice Walk on White Out is sort of a reference to the track...same as the 2nd part sequence but messed up in a typical JS way. I always thought this was his way of saying 'it wasn't just minimoog solos'. > It has a wonderful Schmoelling Jupiter 8 rectange wave >sound chord progression over the most primitive sequencer line >(just one note: dum dum dum dum ...ya, just like 'Dr. Destructo'!) >and drum track you can imagine, >but extremely effective, until Chris puts echoes on a multitude of >percussion sounds, Edgar and Johannes adding some funny noises. Heard >this live two times (as I now know because I've got the fantapes). >Wonderful. Then there is some sequencer line and Johannes chord >progression is more chopped. This is absolutely one of my favourite pieces of TD and I can't belive they didn't put it on White Eagle. When the second sequence arrives it's got this loose syncopated feel that wonderfuly relieves the tension of the robotic build up. It might be just the recording or it might be the sounds in the bridge, but I think that the 81UK version (as on 3- Tier dream) is better than this one. Thanks for making me dig it out! JC -- John Christian - mail:john@p... AirSculpture Try out WebMaze at From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 4:37 am Subject: Peter Bauman Solo Really-From: AslanFan1@a... I bought Peter Bauman's now out of print solo CD 'Repeat Repeat,' thinking someone on this list would be interested in it. If anyone is, please email me off list. I'd like to work out a trade for it, if possible. Thanks! -Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 4:42 am Subject: Re: ORIGINAL HEARTBREAKERS S/T Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-08 00:08:16 EDT, you write: << Anyone interested in purchasing a copy of the original LP? MJ >> What is LP? ? Phil Naunton p.s. Just kidding. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 5:37 am Subject: Vinyl Enthusiasts Really-From: Bdarnl@a... My local used album store has revealed a decent assortment 12' TADREAM selections covering the various eras. I purchased SORCERER and THIEF ( even though I don't own a turntable) since they appear to be among the 'harder to find,' that is, at least for me. So if anyone has a specific request ( including SORCERER and/or THIEF ), I'll gladly so what I can do. Bryan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 3:44 pm Subject: Re: Dream Mixes RealAudio [No TD Content] Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > 'Anaconda...BITES!' Volcano...BLOWS!' For a poor European who recognises these film titles and the 'clever' reviews associated with them, can you identify what each means? Does BITES mean good and BLOWS mean bad? Both of these movies are being advertised at the moment, and I thought the trailer for Anaconda was pretty ropey. Thanks, --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3706 Re: Dream Mixes RealAudio [No TD Content] Sean Montgomery Fri 5/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 9:20 am Subject: Re: NEW AGE by Jorge Munnche Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > Oh yeah, almost forgot. If you are deeply into the music(at least for me), > you dont need drugs to enhance it. I get chills when I hear Mysterious > Semblance and many other of their tunes. That's a natural high for me. > Unfortunatley,a lot of people would'nt agree with me. Or would they? I'll stick to music AND chemicals, thanks. It's much more fun that way (at least for me). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 9:23 am Subject: Re: Meaning of 'blows' and 'bites' Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > 'Anaconda...BITES!' Volcano...BLOWS!' > > Does BITES mean good and BLOWS mean bad? Having spent quite a while amongst our American cousins, I can reveal that they both mean 'sucks'. Bites == sucks ????? Blows == sucks ????? Now, I hope that makes it much clearer for you. ?!%&? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3724 Re: Meaning of 'blows' and 'bites' Rakinik Intertype Sat 5/10/1997 3 KB 3725 Re: Meaning of 'blows' and 'bites' Greg Heil Sat 5/10/1997 3 KB 3777 Re: Meaning of 'blows' and 'bites' Sean Montgomery Mon 5/12/1997 2 KB 3728 Re: Meaning of 'blows' and 'bites' TangerineC@a... Sat 5/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Virgin CDs Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...> EF's 'Ages' is shortly to be issued on Virgin Mid-price, it may even have been issued already. The UK price is 8.99 UK Pounds, but CD Services are offering all mid-price releases for 7.99 UK Pounds until mid-July. Also available for this price are 'Aqua' & 'Pinnacles.' 'Stuntman' is available for 5.99 UK Pounds. Note this also includes all the SBM TD releases and lots of Klaus Schulze. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3701 Re: Virgin CDs Vincent Goudreault Fri 5/9/1997 3 KB 3702 Re: Virgin CDs Andy Bloyce Fri 5/9/1997 2 KB 3723 New find or hokey? Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 5/10/1997 2 KB 3704 Re: Virgin CDs Vincent Goudreault Fri 5/9/1997 3 KB 3708 Re: Virgin CDs Andy Bloyce Fri 5/9/1997 2 KB 3767 Re: Virgin CDs Andy Bloyce Mon 5/12/1997 2 KB 17317 Virgin CDs Heiko Heerßen Wed 7/28/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 10:46 am Subject: Special Offer : VIDEOS Really-From: Klaus Beschorner Hi, checking through three boxes of uncataloged new items that have piled up during the last year I've found some duplicate videos which I offer for sale. All are VHS tapes in PAL (European) system and have nice covers. #1 UK Electronica 1991, 70 min, passable quality, inc. C.Franke, T.Blake M.Jenkins,M.Green,N.Ashron,R.Beauvert,Zyklus,C.White,P.Thornton #2 TD Live in Berlin 20.2.90 'UK Remix', 70 min, passable quality, some stills and effects #3 TD Live in Athens 1983, b/w, 90 min, mediocre quality, from Greek TV inc. Interview #4 TD Live Cleveland 1988, 120 min, mediocre quality #5 TD 'The Electronic Sorcerers', Clips 1982-91, quality from good to godawful, inc. Optical Race(3x), White Eagle, Dominin, Streethawk, Sun Gate, Wildlife, Melrose (2x),House o.t.r.sun.Colorado Dawn, Tiergarten,Tyger, Bois de Boulogne,P.Baumann'Strangers..' My first offer is the whole bunch for DM 150.- plus postage (depending on from where you are), first come, first served. If nobody goes for that, #1-4 are DM 30.- each, #5 is DM 40.- , plus p&p Whoever sends his offers to the list instead of my email address has wasted his time ;-) -klaus- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3759 Re: Special Offer : VIDEOS GG Sun 5/11/1997 2 KB 3773 Re: Special Offer : VIDEOS Pixel Mon 5/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Video Dream Mixes Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... Hello all, What's this Video Dream Mixes thingy like? I don't believe there's been any mention of it on this list. There are a couple of copies in my local HMV but I've held off from buying one as yet. Opinions? Glynn 'Suture Self,' said the medical student. - Thomas Pynchon, _Mason and Dixie_ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3718 Re: Video Dream Mixes gary.cresswell1@v... Fri 5/9/1997 3 KB 3737 Re: Video Dream Mixes Mark Filipak Sun 5/11/1997 2 KB 5593 Video Dream Mixes Michael A Jean Wed 7/2/1997 2 KB 9114 Video Dream Mixes Lawry Simm Thu 11/27/1997 3 KB 9116 Re: Video Dream Mixes CMOSLover Thu 11/27/1997 3 KB 9125 Re: Video Dream Mixes matt knudson Thu 11/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 7:02 pm Subject: Quinoa Really-From: ajogon@m... Hi, Today I was just reading the tadream digest, when the postman arrived with a small package. And YES, it was the Quinoa CD. I'm listening to it now, and all I can say is that if I wasn't a member of this list, probably I would never hear of Voiceprint and so I would never get this rare CD. This is just a warning to the guys who subscribe the list for a couple of days and then unsubscribe: you'll never know what you are going to miss next! Antonio Nunes np: Quinoa Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3709 Quinoa Harri Ikonen Fri 5/9/1997 2 KB 3710 Re: Quinoa Sean Montgomery Fri 5/9/1997 2 KB 3716 Re: Quinoa dbrewer@a... Fri 5/9/1997 3 KB 3717 Bad Cover Design Sean Montgomery Fri 5/9/1997 2 KB 3729 Interesting Web site Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 5/10/1997 3 KB 3789 Re: Quinoa Dennis Nigbur Mon 5/12/1997 3 KB 7207 Quinoa R.A.Seed Sun 9/21/1997 3 KB 7210 Re: Quinoa Jeffrey Au-Yeung Mon 9/22/1997 5 KB 7211 Re: Quinoa Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 9/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 12:33 pm Subject: Re: Virgin CDs Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On May 9, 5:51am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Virgin CDs > Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...> > > > EF's 'Ages' is shortly to be issued on Virgin Mid-price, it may even have been > issued already. > > The UK price is 8.99 UK Pounds, but CD Services are offering all mid-price > releases for 7.99 UK Pounds until mid-July. > Are you serious? 'Ages' on CD? Do they have similar plans for Macula Transfer? I cannot go on the web, do you have a s-mail or e-mail address of this CD Services outfit? Do they handle foreign order? Thanks in advance C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Virgin CDs Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...> The details for CD Services are as follows: 40/42 Brantwood Avenue Dundee DD3 6 EW UK Phone +44 (0)1382 776595 Fax +44 (0)1382 736702 No email yet. They have 24 hr credit card ordering facility, but people are available (!) during normal hours. They advertise P&P rates all over the the world, best to ask them how much it will cost. As an addendum, they can take a while to fill an order - it all depends on whether or not it's in stock. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3723 New find or hokey? Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 5/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 10:08 pm Subject: Official Live Tour CD !! Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' HOT OFF THE PRESS : >From the Home-page - read 'em and weep!! ----------------------------------------------------------- NEW LIVE-CD: TOURNADO is on the way!!! After listening to lots of live recordings from the first leg of TD's European Tour, Jerome and Edgar made a very spontaneous decision: On June 23rd they will release the second half of the Tour set as a 'Live in Europe'-CD called TOURNADO on their own label TDI. Sales start will be during the two gigs in Athens and Thessaloniki on the 23/24th of June. Shortly after that date the CD will hit the shops near you. What to say about the music and packaging? The first time in TD's history the original live recording will remain 'untouched', which means no overdoubs, no polishing, no editing between various tracks, no 'mix together' of crowdnoise from place A into place B - common business by the way - so what will be heard is the complete one of the master-recording from... most of you won`t believe it: ZABRZE in Poland at the Dom Muziki on April 23rd,1997. Why Poland again, 14 years after their historical Warsaw concert in 1983? The concert hall had the best acoustics for electronic sounds of all venues TD played during their tour- some good reason for a band which always counts on music and sound in the first place. Also you will hear a very enthusiastic crowd which did help to build the typical TD concert atmo. With the CD comes a little booklet packed with various shots from the tour stageside and off-stage. So, for those of you who did hear and see one of the shows somewhere, it will be a good flashback- for all other fans - including the surfing community during the webcast from Frankfurt- it will transmit feelings like beeing there. Even if the Tour isn't over yet, Edgar and Jerome would like to thank all people who did go to the gigs of the first half of the tour and supported their performances in such a unexpected positive way - specifically in their homecountry, so thanks a lot to all of you! --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3712 Re: Official Live Tour CD !! Vic Rek Fri 5/9/1997 3 KB 3715 Re: Official Live Tour CD !! TWeibre361@a... Fri 5/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 2:25 pm Subject: Re: Virgin CDs Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On May 9, 9:54am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Virgin CDs > Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...> > > > The details for CD Services are as follows: > > 40/42 Brantwood Avenue > Dundee > DD3 6 EW > UK > Thanks for the info, Andy. Would you be kind enough to let us know if (or when) they will have the 'Ages' album available? Regards C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Official Live CD! Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hi folks, I'm on digest mode these days, so I'm not sure if this has been reported yet--from the TD Web page this morning...... --John --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ - ------------- +++ 09/May/97 +++ NEW LIVE-CD: TOURNADO is on the way!!! After listening to lots of live recordings from the first leg of TD's European Tour, Jerome and Edgar made a very spontaneous decision: On June 23rd they will release the second half of the Tour set as a 'Live in Europe'-CD called TOURNADO on their own label TDI. Sales start will be during the two gigs in Athens and Thessaloniki on the 23/24th of June. Shortly after that date the CD will hit the shops near you. What to say about the music and packaging? The first time in TD's history the original live recording will remain 'untouched', which means no overdoubs, no polishing, no editing between various tracks, no 'mix together' of crowdnoise from place A into place B - common business by the way - so what will be heard is the complete one of the master-recording from... most of you won`t believe it: ZABRZE in Poland at the Dom Muziki on April 23rd,1997. Why Poland again, 14 years after their historical Warsaw concert in 1983? The concert hall had the best acoustics for electronic sounds of all venues TD played during their tour- some good reason for a band which always counts on music and sound in the first place. Also you will hear a very enthusiastic crowd which did help to build the typical TD concert atmo. With the CD comes a little booklet packed with various shots from the tour stageside and off-stage. So, for those of you who did hear and see one of the shows somewhere, it will be a good flashback- for all other fans - including the surfing community during the webcast from Frankfurt- it will transmit feelings like beeing there. Even if the Tour isn't over yet, Edgar and Jerome would like to thank all people who did go to the gigs of the first half of the tour and supported their performances in such a unexpected positive way - specifically in their homecountry, so thanks a lot to all of you! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3707 Re: Official Live CD! Sean Montgomery Fri 5/9/1997 2 KB 3726 Re: Official Live CD! GrafZeigen@a... Sat 5/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 3:07 pm Subject: Re: Dream Mixes RealAudio [No TD Content] Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > 'Anaconda...BITES!' Volcano...BLOWS!' > For a poor European who recognises these film titles and > the 'clever' reviews associated with them, can you identify > what each means? Both are awful. I attached this as my .sig file because as a computer animator I fear that if Hollywood keeps producing klunkers like these, my profession will get a bad name. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Think Global - Act Loco!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 3:25 pm Subject: Re: Official Live CD! Really-From: Sean Montgomery > What to say about the music and packaging? The first time in TD's history > the original live recording will remain 'untouched' What a great idea! I hate to quibble, but this would also represent another first: the first time a TD live album would consist of already-released music (even if they include the encores). Only the intro Drum solo will be new, unless the set list for the Zabrze show was substantially different from the one in Frankfurt...can anyone on the list help out here? Needless to say, I'll be running out to buy it in any case. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'THAT'S Entertainment!' - Vlad the Impaler From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Virgin CDs Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...> I've just spoken to them on the 'phone. They don't have 'Ages' available yet. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 4:03 pm Subject: Quinoa Really-From: 'Harri Ikonen' For those concerned about ordering the CD from Voiceprint, I'm happy to tell you that I received my copies today. I placed the order somewhat four weeks ago and for a while I was wondering if they should ever arrive, but it turned out that my suspicions were unwarranted. However, the funny thing was that the package was sent from Denmark, not UK! As for the CD itself, well, it's quite forgettable stuff. The only thing I can recall from the track is the 'Two Bunch Palms' part in the middle of it. Harri Ikonen hikonen@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3710 Re: Quinoa Sean Montgomery Fri 5/9/1997 2 KB 3716 Re: Quinoa dbrewer@a... Fri 5/9/1997 3 KB 3717 Bad Cover Design Sean Montgomery Fri 5/9/1997 2 KB 3729 Interesting Web site Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 5/10/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 4:35 pm Subject: Re: Quinoa Really-From: Sean Montgomery > As for the CD itself, well, it's quite forgettable stuff. The only thing I > can recall from the track is the 'Two Bunch Palms' part in the middle of > it. Give it time, it grows on you. Mind you, I think the reason I liked it so much when I first got it was that at the time the band were getting into their 'Seattle Years' phase....and having an almost half hour piece of TD mellowess was wonderful. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Anaconda...BITES!' Volcano...BLOWS!' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3716 Re: Quinoa dbrewer@a... Fri 5/9/1997 3 KB 3717 Bad Cover Design Sean Montgomery Fri 5/9/1997 2 KB 3729 Interesting Web site Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 5/10/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Official Live Tour CD: Ed's Scam-a-thon Continues(?) Really-From: Steven Feldman Sigh, first 'Mandarin Creme,' then 'Fort Worth Runway One,' then 'Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe 1997 Remix' and 'OASIS pre-release verion,' and then a re-surfacing of QUINOA . . . and THE BRICK . . . and THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES . . . and now OFFICIAL LIVE TOUR CD?!?!? Groaaan. I'm not a wealthy man. And if I was before all this started, I wouldn't be anymore. Please, Ed: mercy! :( :( :( ;) :) Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3713 Re: Official Live Tour CD: Ed's Scam-a-thon Conti dbrewer@a... Fri 5/9/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 6:12 pm Subject: Re: Official Live Tour CD !! Really-From: Vic Rek I made a post asking this show in Poland happen? Nobody posted a review on this. I'm surprised that none of our Polish list members were there? I guess TD must have read my post and come back with an answer! >the way - so what will be heard is the complete one of the >master-recording from... most of you won`t believe it: >ZABRZE in Poland at the Dom Muziki on April 23rd,1997. > >Why Poland again, 14 years after their historical Warsaw >concert in 1983? The concert hall had the best acoustics for >electronic sounds of all venues TD played during their tour- >some good reason for a band which always counts on music and >sound in the first place. Also you will hear a very >enthusiastic crowd which did help to build the typical TD >concert atmo. With the CD comes a little booklet packed with >various shots from the tour stageside and off-stage. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 8:11 pm Subject: Re: Official Live Tour CD: Ed's Scam-a-thon Continues(?) Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Steven Feldman > > Sigh, first 'Mandarin Creme,' then 'Fort Worth Runway One,' then > 'Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe 1997 Remix' and 'OASIS pre-release verion,' > and then a re-surfacing of QUINOA . . . and THE BRICK . . . and THE > VIDEO DREAM MIXES . . . and now OFFICIAL LIVE TOUR CD?!?!? Groaaan. > I'm not a wealthy man. And if I was before all this started, I wouldn't > be anymore. Please, Ed: mercy! :( :( :( ;) :) Well, I don't know about the other things, but I'm pretty sure the Brick is something concocted by Miramar's execs (not Edgar) to milk more money from fans. This is just my guess, of course. :-) This reminds me about something I read in the archives (yes, I read the old list msgs now and then). Around 1993, some poor guy on the list just lost it, going on about not being able to keep up with all of the stuff available. He basically said 'I give up!!'. I figure, if it's something you want and you can get it, then get it. But don't kill yourself trying to get it. If you miss out, then ohh well, life goes on. There's lots of stuff I've missed out on that I'd like to get (legitimate and otherwise). I figure that most (or all) of it will eventually turn up again someday, either legitimate reissues or boot releases. (lots have so far!) Anyway, I enjoy the already swelled (70+ CDs) collection of TD and solo stuff I have, and I figure that for the stuff I don't have (which is still quite a bit), it's the striving that counts. BTW, I have NO desire to get the Brick, or the Aus. GC., and a host of other things (mostly comps). So at least I have a line drawn somewhere, even tho it's halfway to the moon! :-) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 8:13 pm Subject: Tangents Disc 1 CD-R plea Really-From: 'Thomas B' Dreamers Can anyone burn a copy of Tangents Disc One onto CD-R for me? A friend of mine had her CD stolen from her car along with 23 other CDs, her car stereo, her stash of pennies and almost her car--the Oakland criminals couldn't steal the car so they trashed the interior instead. Not exactly the greatest way to turn folks onto Edgar and er, well, these days the boys. --Teiwaz --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 8:18 pm Subject: Re: Official Live Tour CD !! Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-05-09 11:03:33 EDT, you write: << On June 23rd they will release the second half of the Tour set as a 'Live in Europe'-CD called TOURNADO on their own label TDI. Sales start will be during the two gigs in Athens and Thessaloniki on the 23/24th of June. Shortly after that date the CD will hit the shops near you. >> the td cash register rumbles on! tom w np: can - anthology From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 8:22 pm Subject: Re: Quinoa Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Sean Montgomery > > > As for the CD itself, well, it's quite forgettable stuff. The only thing I > > Give it time, it grows on you. Mind you, I think the reason I liked it so > much when I first got it was that at the time the band were getting into > their 'Seattle Years' phase....and having an almost half hour piece of TD > mellowess was wonderful. > I agree, Sean. It took time for it to grow on me when I first got it. I think it was mostly due to the HIGH price I paid for it. (YEEOOW!) I guess I had to renew my IFC subscription at just the wrong time. Hmmph! Well, when I first got it, I thought it was okay, nothing awesome. But I did like the longish nature of the track. But now I really like it, and thought it was cool when they played it on the '92 tour w/ Zlatko playing over it. (quite an improvement, MHO of course!) Dave Brewer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3717 Bad Cover Design Sean Montgomery Fri 5/9/1997 2 KB 3729 Interesting Web site Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 5/10/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 8:48 pm Subject: Bad Cover Design Really-From: Sean Montgomery I just took a look at the Oasis cover art (from the Voiceprint Web Page), and it seems that TDI's unappealing graphic design work contiunes. CorelDraw and its library of ugly fonts have wreaked a lot of havoc on the eyeballs of humanity. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Never send a monster to do the work of an EEEVIL Scientist' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3729 Interesting Web site Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 5/10/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 10, 1997 3:52 am Subject: Re: Video Dream Mixes Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... > > Hello all, > > What's this Video Dream Mixes thingy like? I don't believe there's > been any mention of it on this list. There are a couple of copies > in my local HMV but I've held off from buying one as yet. > Opinions? > > Glynn > 'Suture Self,' said the medical student. > - Thomas Pynchon, _Mason and Dixie_ I have the video. I am one of those who really rated Dream Mixes CD best from TD in ages, So I couldn't wait to get hold of the video, However I was pretty dissapointed the images were often out of tune with the music and the imagery very dated. I guess I was hoping for either some rare archive footage or some cool graphics to go with the cool music unfortunately it has none of the first and very little of the second. Gaza pS dont let me put u off though:-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 8, 1997 9:48 pm Subject: Is Anybody There? Really-From: 'Simon W. Hood' Hi. Is this list still going? I haven't received any messages for over ten days now (as at 8th May). Have there been problems, or have I been unsubscribed? If anyone on the list receives this, could they email me to let me know what the situation is? TIA. Simon W. Hood swhood@z... -- Simon W. Hood From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 9:45 pm Subject: Amazing ounds article about TD Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hi folks visit this page to see the interview Jorge Munnshe did to Edgar Froese about TD of the 90'ies, Jerome as member of TD and about Goblins Club http://www.amazings.com/articles/article0016.html Regards ---FSC From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 10, 1997 12:14 am Subject: Re: Bad Cover Design Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-09 17:37:49 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Sean Montgomery I just took a look at the Oasis cover art (from the Voiceprint Web Page), and it seems that TDI's unappealing graphic design work contiunes. CorelDraw and its library of ugly fonts have wreaked a lot of havoc on the eyeballs of humanity. >> As a graphic artist I wholly agree. Since I specialize in music packaging design, I would love to take over their cover art design (they've almost always really sucked - except for Monika's, of course:-). And I would do it for free.....but they could pay me if they want. Plus, I don't even allow a Corel abomination on my computer! Graf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3736 Re: Bad Cover Design Mark Filipak Sun 5/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 10, 1997 1:29 am Subject: Free System Projekt & Oranges Really-From: Vic Rek Well, a few days ago I received from Marcel Engels a nice CD-R titled 'Free System Projekt' - Impulse. I highly recommend it to anyone on this list. It is 50:03 minutes long and there is definitely some TD influence among others, but this is his original work. Six (6) tracks in all, and all of them range from almost 7 to 10 minutes. I like it, but I don't want to really go into more specifics, since electronic music (EM) is always a personal interpretation. By the way, those Dutch Oranges taste pretty good. Of course they can only be imported from the southern regions, maybe France? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 11:40 pm Subject: New find or hokey? Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' --------------------------------------------------------------------------- S/T: Tangerine Dream: Tracks: 1.Phaedra 2.Mysterious Semblance At The Strand Of N 3.Movements Of Visionary 4.Sequent 'C' 5.Rubycon Pt.1 6.Stratosfear DISKY M21639 $11.02 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone know what this is? Andrew P.S. -> RMI's 'Republic' is grandly TDesque. Promise! not an ersatz.... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 10, 1997 5:43 am Subject: Re: Meaning of 'blows' and 'bites' Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > > > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > 'Anaconda...BITES!' Volcano...BLOWS!' > > > > Does BITES mean good and BLOWS mean bad? > > Having spent quite a while amongst our American cousins, > I can reveal that they both mean 'sucks'. > > Bites == sucks ????? > Blows == sucks ????? > > Now, I hope that makes it much clearer for you. ?!%&? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... > Grunt ! [, @ > \______/ 'There's too much blood in > /\ /\ my caffeine system' > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Actually, I always thought this: Bites=moderately bad Sucks=Terribly bad Blows=Horribly bad Swallows=Can't get any worse than this. Example: Turn of the Tides blows, Goblins Club swallows, my two cents is all heh heh, Regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 10, 1997 7:40 am Subject: Re: Meaning of 'blows' and 'bites' Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > > > > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > > > > > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > > > 'Anaconda...BITES!' Volcano...BLOWS!' > > > > > > Does BITES mean good and BLOWS mean bad? > > > > Having spent quite a while amongst our American cousins, > > I can reveal that they both mean 'sucks'. > > > > Bites == sucks ????? > > Blows == sucks ????? > > > > Now, I hope that makes it much clearer for you. ?!%&? > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... > > Grunt ! [, @ > > \______/ 'There's too much blood in > > /\ /\ my caffeine system' > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Actually, I always thought this: > > Bites=moderately bad > Sucks=Terribly bad > Blows=Horribly bad > Swallows=Can't get any worse than this. > > Example: > > Turn of the Tides blows, > Goblins Club swallows, > > > my two cents is all heh heh, > > Regards, > > Dano Hey! I thought a 'Volcano' blows (steam/lava) and an 'Anaconda' bites (with teeth) Am I being really dumb here? Or did I miss something?? (probably both these movies). Greg Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3777 Re: Meaning of 'blows' and 'bites' Sean Montgomery Mon 5/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 10, 1997 8:05 am Subject: Re: Official Live CD! Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-09 10:58:59 EDT, you write: << Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >> Hey! Thanks for the newsflash John! This is exciting news. I, for one, look forward to this with much anticipation. If I could afford it I would have travelled to Europe to see this tour...so I guess this will have to do. I like TD live albums a lot because they usually contain odd snippets of things intermingled with the usual repertoire that is most unexpected and interesting to me. I'm sure others will see more sinister motives behind this release - but face it, music is business and touring takes a lot of money. If we get a new release out of the deal...okay with me. Buy it or not! Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 10, 1997 2:37 pm Subject: voiceprint and quinoas Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Just a note for those of you who may have ordered something from Voiceprint and put it on your Amex card. I spoke with Simon Hart on Friday and he tells me that it turns out they couldn't accept Amex cards after all but that they expect to able to accept them in 'another 7-10 days' since it was a three-week process that was begun about 2 weeks ago... He told me my order was on reserve pending this authorization process. So, if you've paid with Amex, not to worry but it looks like there will be a slight (but worthwhile) delay. Lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 10, 1997 3:53 pm Subject: Re: Meaning of 'blows' and 'bites' Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-10 05:34:20 EDT, you write: >Goblins Club swallows Huh? This album is the best thing they put out in years. It's much better than the overproduced crap they've been putting out like Turn of the Tides, Rockoon,Tyranny of Beauty. My 2 cents. Thanks. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 10, 1997 1:17 pm Subject: Interesting Web site Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' A very interesting Web site find...alternative, new, and electronic musicians at: http://www.amazings.com/ingles.html One of the pages includes a decent history: http://www.amazings.com/featuresnews.html THE REVOLUTION OF ELECTRONICS WITHIN MUSIC Chapter 1: PRESENTATION AND ORIGINS Chapter 2: TOWARDS A MUSICAL REVOLUTION (I copy, without permission, from Chapter 2): A character that appears more and more colossal as time goes by, is that of Conrad Schnitzler. His extraordinary historical importance in the electronic revolution within music, has caused him to be described as for instance 'The Great Father of Current European Electronic Music'. In 1951, at age fourteen, he already had a clear idea that his musical interest was focused beyond everything conventional. A pianist and a violinist, he was a pioneer in the use of synthesizers, just like years later he was to become a pioneer in computers. Within electronic music, he has been a master musician in all kinds of styles, throughout three decades and dozens of works. He has dealt with all sorts of music, ranging from the most abstract of experimentations to the most popular forms of Techno or Pop. His activity within electronic music, and the influence that his innovative ideas have had in the current musical panorama are so wide that they deserve a monographic article. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 10, 1997 10:05 pm Subject: WEIRD LAWS--THE FINAL CHAPTER Really-From: Michael A Jean Vancouver, BRITISH COLUMBIA: A transient musician shall not tempt any man's wife. A stranger should not stop overnight when the woman is alone. Salt Lake City, UTAH: Musician's are prohibited from eating onions when going to play with an orchestra or band between the hours of 7PM and 7AM. Portland, MAINE: Music instructors are forbidden to give singing lessons on board a boat. Winston-Salem, NORTH CAROLINA: It is illegal to play an instrument in a band while reading comic books. and finally, Edmonton, ALBERTA: It is illegal to play an instrument in public while wearing a hat that would scare a timid person. MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 10, 1997 10:21 pm Subject: roll-on 'scamathon'! Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Subject: Official Live Tour CD: Ed's Scam-a-thon Continues(?) >Really-From: Steven Feldman >I'm not a wealthy man. And if I was before all this started, I >wouldn't be anymore. Please, Ed: mercy! :( :( :( ;) :) -- NO MERCY ED -- keep releasing this stuff!!!!! We love it :-) PS: it's sad Tournado won't have the first set from the tour -- that was where some of the best stuff was (IMO) -- it remains to be seen if it will include the encores ... maybe these tapes will just end up in the vaults with all the rest ... ----------------- >Subject: New find or hokey? >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >S/T: Tangerine Dream: [...] >DISKY M21639 >Anyone know what this is? -- yeah that's the untitled comp released in Nov. 96 (same day as GC) that was mentioned in phil's poll last week. Lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3742 Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 5/11/1997 2 KB 3751 Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Mark Filipak Sun 5/11/1997 3 KB 3762 Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 5/12/1997 3 KB 3763 Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Mark Filipak Mon 5/12/1997 3 KB 3804 Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 5/13/1997 3 KB 3805 Tour EP '96 for sale or trade Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 5/13/1997 2 KB 3820 Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Mark Filipak Tue 5/13/1997 3 KB 3849 Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 5/14/1997 3 KB 3875 Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Mark Filipak Wed 5/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 10, 1997 10:21 pm Subject: staatsgrenze west Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> The pink vinyl edition of 'staatsgrenze west' is supposed to be a limited edition of 1,000 numbered copies right? Would someone please tell me where to find the numbers? I've seen a couple of copies but I don't find any numbers. Are they on the vinyl, the label or the cover? if so, where? Are these re-issues also in pink vinyl but without numbers? help? thanks Lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3741 Re: staatsgrenze west Robert Grabowsky Sun 5/11/1997 2 KB 3744 Re: staatsgrenze west Marcel Engels Sun 5/11/1997 2 KB 8173 staatsgrenze west WSenfflebe@a... Wed 10/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 10, 1997 10:21 pm Subject: Home-page FSP Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' I'm sorry for the non-TD, it will be the last time really. I've added a few RealAudio-files to my webpage, so if anybody was curious about what the hell is this FSP about, check my web-page at: http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm It's really the last time I make a 'plug'. I'm not the kind of person who would normally do this . Thanks for your time. Marcel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3745 Re: Home-page FSP Marcel Engels Sun 5/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 10, 1997 10:45 pm Subject: FASSBINDER & Country Music Really-From: Michael A Jean A Fassbinder film fest is starting in Chicago featuring about 40 of his films... Can any FAssbinder fans offer any suggestions? Also, I saw Emmylou Harris perform at the HOUSE of BLUES last night...Just before the show started the lights went down, and the highly decorative walls and leafed balconies were bathed in phosphorescent blue light. After the first song she said 'I love this place, I feel like I'm performing inside a big blue cake!' (ha ha ha!) 8^D Well, maybe you had to be there! MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 10, 1997 5:30 pm Subject: Dr*gs and TD Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > > > Oh yeah, almost forgot. If you are deeply into the music(at least > > for me), you dont need drugs to enhance it. I get chills when I hear > > Mysterious Semblance and many other of their tunes. That's a natural > > high for me. Unfortunatley,a lot of people would'nt agree with me. > > Or would they? > > I'll stick to music AND chemicals, thanks. It's much more fun that > way (at least for me). Well Grant, as Monsanto always said: Better living through chemistry. I have noticed a big difference between fantapes from the 70s and today's. Many in today's audiences sound like they're on stimulants -- chatter, chatter, chatter throughout the entire show -- whereas the audiences of the 70s were much mellower and the fantapes were 'quieter.' -- Mark (my preferred concert food: hash brownies of course) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 1:25 am Subject: Re: Bad Cover Design Really-From: Mark Filipak > Sean Montgomery wrote: > > I just took a look at the Oasis cover art (from the Voiceprint Web > Page), and it seems that TDI's unappealing graphic design work > contiunes. CorelDraw and its library of ugly fonts have wreaked a > lot of havoc on the eyeballs of humanity. About the fonts, I agree wholeheartedly. Take a look a them with a font editor. They're just scanned and converted -- not even cleaned up -- so there's about 50 times more segments and control points than you would want, and they're totally without hinting. They come from a cheap font company in Germany (of all places!). The people who gave the world printing, took it away. I've seen adverts for this company (the name escapes me at the moment) claiming pride in their quality! > Graf replied: > > As a graphic artist I wholly agree. Since I specialize in music > packaging design, I would love to take over their cover art design > (they've almost always really sucked - except for Monika's, of > course:-). And I would do it for free.....but they could pay me if > they want. Plus, I don't even allow a Corel abomination on my computer! About Corel Draw, it's a fine illustration program (it has its quirks, but what doesn't) and in the right hands, wonderous things can be done. TD content: Though the shoddy fonts come from Germany, the quality of TD music more than compensates. Cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 12:57 am Subject: Re: Video Dream Mixes Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... > ... > I have the video. I am one of those who really rated Dream Mixes CD > best from TD in ages, So I couldn't wait to get hold of the video, > However I was pretty dissapointed the images were often out of tune > with the music and the imagery very dated. ... So tell us Gaza: what are the images? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 1:53 am Subject: Re: Interesting Web site Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > A very interesting Web site find...alternative, new, and electronic > musicians at: > > http://www.amazings.com/ingles.html > > One of the pages includes a decent history: > > http://www.amazings.com/featuresnews.html Sorry. I know there will be those who disagree with me, but I checked this site out about 4 months ago and found it to be a rich mine of iron pyrite. Unless they completely revised it since I sent them my criticisms, the articles do a lot of talking around without really saying anything. They seemed a bit pompus and not really in touch with the music to me. To each his own. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3743 Re: Interesting Web site Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 5/11/1997 3 KB 3752 Re: Interesting Web site Mark Filipak Sun 5/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 2:37 am Subject: Re: local shops Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-08 23:43:33 EDT, you write: << Of course I support local shops....that's where you can get all the cool stuff...I was simply suggesting that people in relatively isolated areas can always rely on the internet to find the stuff they are after... MJ >> Point made. My comments were 50% 'tongue-in-cheek', however. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 3:27 am Subject: Re: Bad Cover Design (No TD Content) Really-From: Greg tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > About Corel Draw, it's a fine illustration program (it has its quirks, > > but what doesn't) and in the right hands, wonderous things can be > done. > > Cheers -- Mark Thanks Mark. I'm a Corel user myself and prefer these programs over any other graphic design software. I have used others, but none seemed to be able to do everything with just one program. I guess you can say I'm a happy Corel PhotoPaint 7 user :) As far as fonts go, I use Corel's fonts as they are pretty high quality and are quite varied. You graphic designers should know--it's not the program, or how sophisticated it is, it's you the designer that takes full responsibility in the quaility of work that you do. A designer should make due with what he or she has--weather it be Corel or Photoshop, or even Paintbrush. It's all about layout, not the program you use! Sorry for the lecture! I'm just a hopeful graphic artist! Greg... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3778 Re: Bad Cover Design (No TD Content) Sean Montgomery Mon 5/12/1997 2 KB 3813 Re: Bad Cover Design (No TD Content) Mark Filipak Tue 5/13/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 3:48 am Subject: Re: staatsgrenze west Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Mine is on the back cover #996 of 1000 Robert At 10:21 PM 5/10/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > >The pink vinyl edition of 'staatsgrenze west' is supposed to be a limited >edition of 1,000 numbered copies right? Would someone please tell me where >to find the numbers? I've seen a couple of copies but I don't find any >numbers. Are they on the vinyl, the label or the cover? if so, where? Are >these re-issues also in pink vinyl but without numbers? help? >thanks >Lars > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 1:16 am Subject: Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 06:21 PM 5/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Subject: New find or hokey? >>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >>S/T: Tangerine Dream: >[...] >>DISKY M21639 >>Anyone know what this is? >-- yeah that's the untitled comp released in Nov. 96 (same day as GC) that >was mentioned in phil's poll last week. > >Lars You guys are way too quick for me.... stuff passes me by all the time. Information overload!!....medic!!!! Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 1:25 am Subject: Re: Interesting Web site Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 06:53 PM 5/10/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >tadream mailing list wrote: >> >> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> >> A very interesting Web site find...alternative, new, and electronic >> musicians at: >> >> http://www.amazings.com/ingles.html >> >> One of the pages includes a decent history: >> >> http://www.amazings.com/featuresnews.html > >Sorry. I know there will be those who disagree with me, but I checked >this site out about 4 months ago and found it to be a rich mine of iron >pyrite. Unless they completely revised it since I sent them my >criticisms, the articles do a lot of talking around without really >saying anything. They seemed a bit pompus and not really in touch with >the music to me. To each his own. -- Mark Or, to each according to their level of sophistication. After several years of following prog and e-rock, I am still a beginner, so I still learn even if the source is not up to the standards of somebody who is more savvy. When it comes to ANY American medium, I am delighted just to see the name TD, or Schnitzler mentioned. In a non-sequitur metaphorical sort of way...... there used to be a Hungarian humor magazin (Ludas Matyi, now defunct) that had a masthead that read: There no old jokes, just old people. To a newborn all jokes are new. Regards, Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 7:27 am Subject: Re: staatsgrenze west Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > The pink vinyl edition of 'staatsgrenze west' is supposed to be a limited > edition of 1,000 numbered copies right? Would someone please tell me where > to find the numbers? I've seen a couple of copies but I don't find any > numbers. Are they on the vinyl, the label or the cover? if so, where? Are > these re-issues also in pink vinyl but without numbers? help? On the backcover, right-under it says: Begrenzte Auflage, Your copy number: No 330/1000 (my number) Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 8:12 am Subject: Re: Home-page FSP Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' It seems that the RealAudio files don't work yet, sorry. It works with though, but I think this is because I have the ra-files. I will work on it right away and I will notice it when it is fully operational. Sorry for this. Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 8:49 am Subject: Miami Vice Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >As far as I know, TD were going to score Miami Vice, but for one reason or >the other, Ian Hammer got the job instead. I don't know if there actually >_are_ any TD contributions to the soundtrack. Wow! Total bummer, Edgar. Jan Hammer's Miami stuff is, in places, magical. Sometimes it's a bit too rinky-dink for me. There was one piece called 'Shadows in the Dark' about a typical nutter that was stalking the obligatory gorgeous damsel-in-distress and it was _so_ close to one of the tracks on TD's 'Shy People'. Coincidentally, at the same time as this was being aired on BBC1, back in 1987, another 'Shadow in the Dark' was 'stalking' my crappy old Ford Escort parked at the front of the house. Did a wonderful job of re-decorating the car interior. Funny how you remember these things. As far as the use of TD's music in Miami Vice, there isn't any because of some contractual silliness that was going on at the time. But can you imagine how TD's profile would have been lifted if they had scored that series? Cheers David P.S. Anyone know what happened to Jan Hammer? Got ya ears on, Jan? T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3779 Re: Miami Vice Sean Montgomery Mon 5/12/1997 2 KB 3782 Re: Miami Vice feldon@n... Mon 5/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 9, 1997 6:00 pm Subject: NEW AGE by Jorge Munnche Really-From: jeffrey@i... Fransisco Can you post the publisher and the ISBN of the book, sounds like a good read. Thanks Jeff From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 9:14 am Subject: LOUD AUDIENCES Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > I have noticed a big difference between fantapes from the 70s and > today's. Many in today's audiences sound like they're on stimulants -- > chatter, chatter, chatter throughout the entire show -- whereas the > audiences of the 70s were much mellower and the fantapes were 'quieter.' That's funny. When working on the tapes from Shepherd's Bush I was surprised about that. A lot of people talking as if music were only a background ambient . But the opposite effect happened too: The audience reacting in a way they remembered me the Beatles femenine fan cries, specially at the end quarter of concert. Maybe that has to do, also, whith the different style oa TD nowadays. ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 9:54 am Subject: Re: NEW AGE by Jorge Munnche Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: jeffrey@i... > Can you post the publisher and the ISBN of the book, sounds like a good read. Thanks NEW AGE by Jorge Munnshe EDICIONES CATEDRA S.A., 1995 Juan Ignacio Luca de Tena, 15, 28027. Madrid I.S.B.N.:84-376-1397-3 But as far as I know its available only in spanish. A copy of this message goes to the author, so If i'm wrong he may correct me. ( maybe he has plans to translate an updated version of it) Regards---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 10:23 am Subject: Finally! Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' I finally got some audio in my webpage! It's not RealAudio, but 3 WAV-files. They are about 120kByte, so it shouldn't too long to download. Enjoy! Again thanks for your time! Marcel webpage: http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm email : fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 11:33 am Subject: Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > At 06:21 PM 5/10/97 -0400, you wrote: > > >>Subject: New find or hokey? > >>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > >>S/T: Tangerine Dream: > >[...] > >>DISKY M21639 > >>Anyone know what this is? > >-- yeah that's the untitled comp released in Nov. 96 (same day as GC) > >that was mentioned in phil's poll last week. > > > >Lars > > You guys are way too quick for me.... stuff passes me by > all the time. > > Information overload!!....medic!!!! (He, he, hee, heee, heeee, hick!) Andrew, Lars is wrong. Disky M21639 (which is really Disky VI 873772 according to the CD I had in my hand last night) is not untitled. The title is 'TD'. -- actually it's in lower case letters, 'td'. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3762 Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 5/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 11:29 am Subject: Re: Interesting Web site Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > ... > When it comes to ANY American medium, I am delighted just to > see the name TD, or Schnitzler mentioned. This is true. But 'Amazings' is out of Spain, not America. > In a non-sequitur metaphorical sort of way...... there used to be a > Hungarian humor magazin (Ludas Matyi, now defunct) that had a masthead > that read: > > There no old jokes, just old people. To a newborn all jokes are new. Good point Andrew. Enjoy 'Amazings' for what it offers, but check the validity of what you read there before you make any large decisions. Cheers all -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 3:49 pm Subject: Re: NEW AGE by Jorge Munnche Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Anther unauthorized quote from that book: Page 112: [on Space-Age music in the USA] 'Another emblematic name of that wave is The Nigthcrawlers, in active since 1980. This band, defined sometimes as the north-american Tangerine Dream, has as members the brothers Peter and Tom Gulch along with Dave Lunt. The group has a prolific output, with titles inspired in such suggestive themes as interstellar travel, poltergeists, the shift to other reality planes ... Does anybody, here have any album by those guys ? How is it ? Regards ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 3:45 pm Subject: WOLKENREISE sampler Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' --question mode ON --- An spanish TD fan asked me about WOLKENREISE, a sampler where TD has an origianl track. Will somebody here tell info about it ? He asked me, also about the magazine Voyager. How is tis magazins? Is anybody here subscribed ? Third, Supposedly there is diary by Edgar Froese, a kind of traveler cronicles regarding TD. Is it publushed officially? fourth: Voices in the dunes and The Dream lives on, are they still in print or they are sold out already ? -- question mode off-- Prosper and happy lives ---FSC From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 3:49 pm Subject: Re: NEW AGE by Jorge Munnche Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Anther unauthorized quote from that book: Page 112: [on Space-Age music in the USA] 'Another emblematic name of that wave is The Nigthcrawlers, in active since 1980. This band, defined sometimes as the north-american Tangerine Dream, has as members the brothers Peter and Tom Gulch along with Dave Lunt. The group has a prolific output, with titles inspired in such suggestive themes as interstellar travel, poltergeists, the shift to other reality planes ... Does anybody, here have any album by those guys ? How is it ? Regards ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 4:26 pm Subject: Marcel Engel's Page Really-From: feldon@n... For people who can't wait, here's the addresses to get the soundfiles from Marcel's page. These sound files are pretty awesome and I'm definately buying a disc. http://home.pi.net/~m1engels/audio/impulse1.wav http://home.pi.net/~m1engels/audio/impulse2.wav http://home.pi.net/~m1engels/audio/impulse3.wav Morgan feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3757 Re: Marcel Engel's Page Jens Peschke Sun 5/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 6:15 pm Subject: Re: Marcel Engel's Page Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: feldon@n... [...] I'm definately buying a disc. I absolutely agree with Morgan! Well done, Marcel ! Jens Peschke From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 6:33 pm Subject: Nightcrawlers Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > Anther unauthorized quote from that book: > > Page 112: [on Space-Age music in the USA] > 'Another emblematic name of that wave is The Nigthcrawlers, in active > since 1980. This band, defined sometimes as the north-american Tangerine > Dream, has as members the brothers Peter and Tom Gulch along with Dave > Lunt. The group has a prolific output, with titles inspired in such > suggestive themes as interstellar travel, poltergeists, the shift to > other reality planes ... > > Does anybody, here have any album by those guys ? I haven't got/heard any of these guys too, but I know that CUE will have their forthcoming(?) CD. So check CUE for it. Marcel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22108 Re: Nightcrawlers Chris Richards Fri 4/21/2000 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 3:51 am Subject: Re: Special Offer : VIDEOS Really-From: GG > #3 TD Live in Athens 1983, b/w, 90 min, mediocre quality, from Greek TV > inc. Interview Dear Klaus, I'll kill myself if I don't success to own this tape! This is what I'm searching for since a long time. Any possibility for me? Bye Gabor From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 8:53 pm Subject: Fans! Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >I have noticed a big difference between fantapes from the 70s and >today's. Many in today's audiences sound like they're on stimulants -- >chatter, chatter, chatter throughout the entire show -- whereas the >audiences of the 70s were much mellower and the fantapes were 'quieter.' >- -- Mark (my preferred concert food: hash brownies of course) With you here, Mark! (For once :) ) We saw Edgar and the boyz at Newcastle City Hall in 1986 and there was some anorak sitting behind us who insisted on discussing all of the finer points of TD with his gud' buddy sitting next to him. Despite several requests to 'shut the f*ck up' from our good selves and several other irrate TD'ers in the vicinity we eventually went to see one of the gorillas wearing a security badge. Now, you would probably imagine that the prospect of a damned good kicking from several Neanderthals might put a stop to him describing the operation idiosyncracies of Mr. Franke's Emulator. Wrong. He continued his one-man commentary for the next ten minutes before even his mate told him to stop talking... Me, I blame the television. And too much tartrazine in the food. And democracy. And.... I could go on for ever...I think I will...pressure? What's that? Crack... Luv 'n' Kisses from the looney bin... Dave T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 11:50 pm Subject: Review: FSP 'Impulse' (was: Marcel Engel's Page) Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > > Really-From: feldon@n... > > [...] I'm definately buying a disc. > > I absolutely agree with Morgan! > Well done, Marcel ! > > Jens Peschke Can I join this ME lovefest? I posted this review a month ago, but some probably missed it -- it was the third of three reviews (as sort of the climax). If you've seen this already, please forgive me my bandwidth consumption. Cheers to all and especially to ME ;-) -- Mark ____________ Free System Projekt, 'Impulse' - Listening to this album will answer the (age old?) question: what would the lineup Froese, Baumann, Franke, and Schmoelling have sounded like? Free System Projekt, 'Impulse' [50:03] Free System Studio, CDR0001 1- The Closening [9:54] 2- The Nightmare [9:48] 3- The Chase [8:59] 4- The Opening [6:51] 5- The Relief [7:23] 6- The Closening Pt.2 [6:50] Every so often I find an album I like right away, but that continues to develop character and richness with repeated listenings. 'Impulse' is just such an album. Upon hearing many of the touchstone sounds of early Virgin TD: lean compositions incorporating a judicious balance of motoric sequencer rhythms, lush, round, mellow synth, and frugal use of chorus, I find myself rapidly settling into a Baumann reverie. Then, surprise! -- along comes some very Schmoelling-esque keyboards to freshen the mix. 'Impulse' has been stuck in my CD player for three days now, a record only Mark Shreeve can challenge. All the compositions start modestly, then develop complexity as they build up layer upon layer of interwoven textures atop a unifying theme, then smoothly unwind to a gentle, lingering finish. Though none of them are identifiable as TD tunes, the tracks nonetheless sound like TD without being TD. It's puzzling. There isn't a single phrase or melody that I can identify, but the music makes me feel all T-Dreamy. One of my complaints about solo-Franke is that he tends to push a melody a little too far. FSP on the other hand leaves me breathless with each tantilizing change, making a move just at the point when a pattern is barely emerging -- like watching a column of ants, then getting lost in the movements of individual ants only to get distracted by the patterns formed by the whole colony again, this music is simultaneously simple and complex. Each time I take a break to tend to some chore and then return to the music later I say to myself, 'Oh, this stuff is really kind of simple.' An hour later I'm laying on the floor again, amazed at how complex it really is. There's a subtlety to it that's very hard to pin down and I can't seem to get enough of this album. 4AS (but a high 4AS). As of this writing, 'Impulse' has not been commercially released. It _may_ be available from Marcel Engles , but you will have to ask him about that. I hope he doesn't get mad at me for posting this review, but I had to tell the list just how wonderful his album is. Your humble reviewer: Mark Filipak Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3769 Re: Review: FSP 'Impulse' (was: Marcel Engel's Pa Paul Nagle Mon 5/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 11, 1997 8:08 pm Subject: Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 04:33 AM 5/11/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >tadream mailing list wrote: >> >> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> >> At 06:21 PM 5/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >> >> >>Subject: New find or hokey? >> >>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> >>S/T: Tangerine Dream: >> >[...] >> >>DISKY M21639 >> >>Anyone know what this is? >> >-- yeah that's the untitled comp released in Nov. 96 (same day as GC) >> >that was mentioned in phil's poll last week. >> > >> >Lars >> >> You guys are way too quick for me.... stuff passes me by >> all the time. >> >> Information overload!!....medic!!!! > >(He, he, hee, heee, heeee, hick!) Andrew, Lars is wrong. Disky M21639 >(which is really Disky VI 873772 according to the CD I had in my hand >last night) is not untitled. The title is 'TD'. -- actually it's in >lower case letters, 'td'. -- Mark Hate you. All of you. Now I will have to spend another twelve bucks just to get the story straight. I was saving for the American 'Oasis' and for all those wonderful Europe '97 Tour CD or CDRs (wink, wink) that will be forthcoming. Yes? Oh, well... I guess I am hooked. Thanks, medic Mark.... the virtual Absolut did it. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 2:02 am Subject: Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > ... > Hate you. All of you. Now I will have to spend another twelve bucks > just to get the story straight. I was saving for the American 'Oasis' > and for all those wonderful Europe '97 Tour CD or CDRs (wink, wink) > that will be forthcoming. Yes? > > Oh, well... I guess I am hooked. Just say NO! -- Nancy Reagan (but not regarding her plastic surgeon) You _will_ be seeing this in the use bins in the coming months -- trust me on that. It just came out. I've already seen two of them in used for about $8. Regarding a 1988 soundtrack album that was never a big seller, I'd say snap it up when you see it. Regarding the 'Phaedra' / 'Rubycon' / 'Stratosfear' comp known as 'td' that just came out, I'd say you can afford to wait for a bargain to show up. I would not be surprised to see this one being sold for $8.99 new by the end of the summer. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3804 Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 5/13/1997 3 KB 3805 Tour EP '96 for sale or trade Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 5/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 6:08 am Subject: How to silence blabbing fans at concerts Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > With you here, Mark! (For once :) ) We saw Edgar and the boyz at Newcastle > City Hall in 1986 and there was some anorak sitting behind us who insisted > on discussing all of the finer points of TD with his gud' buddy sitting > next to him. Despite several requests to 'shut the f*ck up' from our good > selves and several other irrate TD'ers in the vicinity we eventually went > to see one of the gorillas wearing a security badge. Now, you would > probably imagine that the prospect of a damned good kicking from several > Neanderthals might put a stop to him describing the operation > idiosyncracies of Mr. Franke's Emulator. Wrong. He continued his one-man > commentary for the next ten minutes before even his mate told him to stop > talking... > > Me, I blame the television. And too much tartrazine in the food. And > democracy. And.... I could go on for ever...I think I will...pressure? > What's that? > > Crack... > > Luv 'n' Kisses from the looney bin... > > Dave > I had a very similar problem when I went to see TD in 86 at Irvine Meadows. Normally I would have partaken in the 'can man fly?' effort but since they were chattering girls instead (who hilariously enough asked why there was no singing 10 minutes into the concert) I instigated the 'shut up or I will spit on you' method. Of course, we all know there is no way to shut chattering fans up. Or is there? I ask anyone here....can a chattering fool be silenced? Most effective ways? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 7:45 am Subject: Shreeve Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' I have recently acquired and listened to Mark Shreeve's Red Shift. I was totally blown away. Someone said 'Rubycon II' but I was ill prepared for what my ears encountered with Red Shift. I absolutely loved it. I have a question though... Is Mark Shreeve's other stuff similar to Red Shift or not? Dreamin', Maxwell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3770 Re: Shreeve Paul Nagle Mon 5/12/1997 2 KB 3787 Re: Shreeve Rakinik Intertype Mon 5/12/1997 3 KB 3801 Re: Shreeve Mike Livsey Tue 5/13/1997 3 KB 4487 Shreeve Matt Williams Mon 6/2/1997 3 KB 4510 Re: Shreeve Gabe Yedid Mon 6/2/1997 5 KB 4516 Re: Shreeve (DJS) Mon 6/2/1997 4 KB 4519 Re: Shreeve Vic Rek Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Quasar Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...> I picked up the UK TDI release of 'TOB' c/w 'Quasar' in my local record Shop for 4.29 UK Pounds - absolutely brand new. Although this was some months ago, and many more copies have disappeared from their racks, they keep re-stocking at this price. If there is any interest out there mail me off the list and I'll see what I can do. Also, if anybody is after the 'Rockoon - Special Editon' on Miramar, CD Services have it for the sale price of 3.50 UK Pounds, I got one about a month ago. Andy. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Virgin CDs Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...> I read recently that the Brain and Virgin versions of EF's 'Aqua' are different mixes. Is this the case? If so, how different are they? I've got a French Virgin vinyl release bought in the late 70's, I guess that this is the Brain mix - any thoughts? Andy. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 7:39 am Subject: Virgin CDs vs Brain LP Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) You wrote: > >Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...> > > >I read recently that the Brain and Virgin versions of EF's 'Aqua' are different >mixes. Is this the case? If so, how different are they? >I've got a French Virgin vinyl release bought in the late 70's, I guess that >this is the Brain mix - any thoughts? > >Andy. > > I was hoping someday the Brain Version would come out. I like this one much better. Possibly because this was the way I heard this album for the first couple of years. Panorphelia (spellings wrong, to lazy to look up correct spelling) is much better on the Brain LP. I haven't heard it in many years though, would love to again. If it was released by Brain on CD please let me know. Martyn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 2:56 pm Subject: Re: Review: FSP 'Impulse' (was: Marcel Engel's Page) Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >music makes me feel all T-Dreamy. One of my complaints about >solo-Franke is that he tends to push a melody a little too far. FSP on Too far? Without melody, there is a tragic tendancy towards producing wallpaper - ie. tinkering with the equipment, stumbling on stuff you decide you like and then releasing an album. There's more to composition than this as Chris Franke knows.... Those who can write melody do, others produce 'bubble and squeek' music and wear a serious expression. 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 06/05/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 2:56 pm Subject: Re: Shreeve Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >Is Mark Shreeve's other stuff similar to Red Shift or not? No - totally different. I hesitate to say so but I think his other stuff is actually better (and I like Red Shift a lot) ....dynamic, melodic, well-produced, structured, fewkin cool! Checkout Legion or Crash Head... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 06/05/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 9:10 am Subject: Melodical composition (was: loads of different things) Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Paul Nagle > > Too far? Without melody, there is a tragic tendancy towards producing > wallpaper - ie. tinkering with the equipment, stumbling on stuff you > decide you like and then releasing an album. There's more to > composition than this as Chris Franke knows.... > Those who can write melody do, others produce 'bubble and squeek' > music and wear a serious expression. Hmmmm. There's a certain lack of melody in 'Phaedra' and 'Rubycon' by TD and 'Timewind' and 'Mirage' by Klaus Schulze. On the other hand there is a wealth of melody in the Spice Girls' work. Guess what I'd rather be listening to... OK, I'm being a bit (?) facetious. To me, a skillfully developed wallpaper is more preferable to a skillfully developed melody. All my opinion, of course. I believe that TD lost a lot when they ditched 'wallpaper design' in preference to writing muzakal melodies. When the two disciplines came together (say on Encore or Force Majeure) you had a killer combination. NP - Paul Nagle 'Skyrider' ! (The cheque's in the post, Paul, along with MY own wallpaper sampler catalogue :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3774 Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of differen Paul Nagle Mon 5/12/1997 3 KB 3776 Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of differen feldon@n... Mon 5/12/1997 4 KB 3807 Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of differen Paul Nagle Tue 5/13/1997 4 KB 3783 Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of differen Dennis Nigbur Mon 5/12/1997 3 KB 3785 Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of differen Brian Frick Mon 5/12/1997 4 KB 3790 Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of differen Marcel Engels Mon 5/12/1997 3 KB 3791 Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of differen feldon@n... Mon 5/12/1997 3 KB 3792 Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of differen Francisco Salgado C. Mon 5/12/1997 3 KB 3793 Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of differen Brian Frick Mon 5/12/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 9:17 am Subject: Compression of samples (No TD) Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' To everyone with a Home Page containing audio samples :- Try to get hold of an MPEG3 audio compression package. You can get CD quality music at roughly 12:1 compression ratio (112000 bits/sec) which still sounds excellent. There are a few public domain or shareware utilties around - just do a search for MPEG3 or Layer 3 compression. You could include cross-references to sites with decompression packages for the benefit of visitors. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3800 Re: Compression of samples (No TD) Plumer, Scott Tue 5/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 6:49 pm Subject: Re: Special Offer : VIDEOS Really-From: Pixel > > #3 TD Live in Athens 1983, b/w, 90 min, mediocre quality, from Greek TV > > inc. Interview > > Dear Klaus, I'll kill myself if I don't success to own this tape! This > is what I'm searching for since a long time. Any possibility for me? > > Bye > > Gabor Sorry for disturbing, it was intended to be a private mail. I'll take more care next time. GG (Gabor Gerenyi) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 6:56 pm Subject: Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of different things) Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >Hmmmm. There's a certain lack of melody in 'Phaedra' and 'Rubycon' by >TD and 'Timewind' and 'Mirage' by Klaus Schulze. On the other hand Sure and these are great albums (well, Rubycon is...) which is why I gave the careful qualifier that there is a 'tendancy towards producing wallpaper' - of course I'm not claiming that no album can be good without melody although I might be coaxed into saying that no album could be great without one.... my lengthy musings on musical composition and structure wasting TD bandwidth any further.... 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 06/05/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 1:58 pm Subject: Re: More Soundtracks? Really-From: Steve Yensen At 12:55 06/05/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Vic Rek > > >And finally, I haven't heard any mention about 'The Forbidden' soundtrack. >Vic Funnily enough, I thought of that one, but when I tried to find some info about it, I couldn't find it in 'Halliwell's Film Guide 11th Edition'. It has Jacqueline Bisset and Jurgen Prochnow in it. I have seen it once, but have been unable to locate the video in shops. Happy dreaming, Steve. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3885 Re: More Soundtracks? Simon W. Hood Wed 5/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 2:01 pm Subject: Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of different things) Really-From: feldon@n... At 10:10 AM 5/12/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > >> Really-From: Paul Nagle >> >> Too far? Without melody, there is a tragic tendancy towards producing >> wallpaper - ie. tinkering with the equipment, stumbling on stuff you >> decide you like and then releasing an album. There's more to >> composition than this as Chris Franke knows.... >> Those who can write melody do, others produce 'bubble and squeek' >> music and wear a serious expression. > >Hmmmm. There's a certain lack of melody in 'Phaedra' and 'Rubycon' by >TD and 'Timewind' and 'Mirage' by Klaus Schulze. On the other hand >there is a wealth of melody in the Spice Girls' work. Guess what I'd >rather be listening to... > >OK, I'm being a bit (?) facetious. To me, a skillfully developed >wallpaper is more preferable to a skillfully developed melody. All >my opinion, of course. I believe that TD lost a lot when they ditched >'wallpaper design' in preference to writing muzakal melodies. When >the two disciplines came together (say on Encore or Force Majeure) >you had a killer combination. Yes, Paul Nagle has now been dubbed the Melody Man! Melody is not the foundation of TD. Most of us are a bit miffed at the quality of the stuff being put out recently. Why? Well, the stuff out recently has better *technical sound quality* and more *layers* than anything they've ever put out in the 70's and 80's. So why do we like the 70's and 80's stuff? Because it DID NOT HAVE A MELODY! (in my very humble, soon to be flamed, opinion) Phaedra is referred to as blind rambling by the average passerby. But most TD fans including myself love it to death. Same with Force Majeure, although the drums would probably invite some pop people :) But let's look at Logos and Poland. The entire concents probably contain about as much melodical information as one or two songs on a pop album. Why? Because TD knows when to quit (at least they used to). Instead of having a top melody doing all kinds of changes and the bass and other stuff being incedental, TD seems to have a very strict rhythm: Every 4 or 8 measures, change exactly ONE thing about the music. *Either* the melody, OR the bassline, OR one of the patterns, OR one of the loops, something, but never more than one thing is changed inside of 4 measures. This is why Goblin's Club is so frustrating! They have the patterns and bassline we all know and love, but they change from one to the other every measure!!! Not enough time to establish! I think that the first four minutes of Sad Merlin's Sunday are some of the best music on the disc. Come on guys, this is really the first time I've heard a looped bassline since Poland! Morgan feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3807 Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of differen Paul Nagle Tue 5/13/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 2:48 pm Subject: Re: Meaning of 'blows' and 'bites' Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Hey! I thought a 'Volcano' blows (steam/lava) and an 'Anaconda' bites > (with teeth) Am I being really dumb here? Or did I miss something?? It's a play on words....both meanings (description and critique) were intended. P.S. Hey, lighten up on Goblin's Club! On the scale we're using here, I'd say it does no worse than...oh, I dunno...'lick' Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Anaconda...BITES!' Volcano...BLOWS!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 3:09 pm Subject: Re: Bad Cover Design (No TD Content) Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Thanks Mark. I'm a Corel user myself and prefer these programs over > any other graphic design software. Okay, I will retreat just a bit, and concede that in the right hands, CorelDRAW can do the job. But in comparison to Adobe Illustrator, I have always found it 'clunky', and any anal-retentive font guru would rather be hog-tied naked in a room of hungry rats than be limited to Corel's selection of typefaces. Yeah, there's a lot of selection, but 90% of them are crap, suitable mainly for Circus Posters.....IMHO. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 3:13 pm Subject: Re: Miami Vice Really-From: Sean Montgomery I was thinking....wouldn't it be amusing if TD were to do a 'Dream Mixes' version of the Miami Vice theme on the next tour? Not that it'll ever happen, but it would be funny. As for what happened to Jan Hammer, he's currently writing the music for a series of Computer Animation videos called 'The Mind's Eye'. Nothing spectacular, musically. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 3:19 pm Subject: New Age Music and New Sounds Magazine Really-From: Vic Rek Does anyone on this list subscribe to the Italian magazine 'New Age Music and New Sounds'? I may like to subscribe to this and get back issues. Can anyone provide this list with subscription, back-order, contact information? Thanks, Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 3:54 pm Subject: OFF: Shreeve's Redshift and The Nightcrawlers Really-From: Craig Shipley This is probably been answered already, but... No, Redshift is unique in the (currently available) Mark Shreeve catalog. Most of Shreeves' material is high power 'rocket-fueled' synth rock (ALA T-Bass, another 'don't miss' release! OK, Dave, where's me $20.00???!!! ;-) ). There was an old Shreeve LP titled 'Thoughts Of War' that sounds close to 'Redshift', but good luck on finding a copy of that! (And 'ToW' has never been released on CD, dad-gummit!). There were a number of tapes that Shreeve released WAAAYYYY back in the early '80's, never heard 'em, so can't comment on 'em. Again, these would be nice to have on CD, too...) Re: The Nightcrawlers CUE Records will be releasing their three LP releases on a two CD set. GET THIS! The band was a great US TD-clone and deserved a wider exposure than they got. Unfortunately, the band is no longer active... obCDPlayer: Eloy / Performance Craig Shipley craigs@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3788 Re: OFF: Shreeve's Redshift and The Nightcrawlers Rakinik Intertype Mon 5/12/1997 3 KB 3854 Re: OFF: Shreeve's Redshift and The Nightcrawlers Dr. Alan Stocker Wed 5/14/1997 2 KB 3856 Re: OFF: Shreeve's Redshift and The Nightcrawlers Grant Middleton Wed 5/14/1997 3 KB 3891 Re: OFF: Shreeve's Redshift and The Nightcrawlers Mike Livsey Thu 5/15/1997 3 KB 3876 Re: OFF: Shreeve's Redshift and The Nightcrawlers Simon W. Hood Wed 5/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 4:24 pm Subject: Re: Miami Vice Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:13 AM 5/12/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Sean Montgomery >As for what happened to Jan Hammer, he's currently writing the music for a >series of Computer Animation videos called 'The Mind's Eye'. Nothing >spectacular, musically. Read 'nothing spectacular' as 'crap'. Morgan feldon@n... p.s. Edgar, if you're reading this list, why not do a Miami Vice, I think Don Johnson would love it. Of course, the lawyers... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 9:31 pm Subject: Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of different things) Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Mon, 12 May 1997 09:01:44 -0500 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: feldon@n... > >But let's look at Logos and Poland. The entire concents probably contain >about as much melodical information as one or two songs on a pop album. Why? >Because TD knows when to quit (at least they used to). Instead of having a >top melody doing all kinds of changes and the bass and other stuff being >incedental, TD seems to have a very strict rhythm: > >Every 4 or 8 measures, change exactly ONE thing about the music. *Either* >the melody, OR the bassline, OR one of the patterns, OR one of the loops, >something, but never more than one thing is changed inside of 4 measures. >This is why Goblin's Club is so frustrating! They have the patterns and >bassline we all know and love, but they change from one to the other every >measure!!! Not enough time to establish! I agree. Pieces like 'Sad Merlin's Sunday', 'Rising Haul in Silence', or 'Lamb With Radar Eyes' could easily have been extended to about 15 minutes in length, and it would _not_ get boring. On the contrary, for the first time in ages, it would display the typical TD style you are talking about, and which we all love. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 4:32 pm Subject: Quinoa:HAPPY FEET! Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... I, too, have become the proud poppa of a Quinoa...the mailman just delivered! I am listening to it right now and so far I like it. I will attempt a review later for those unfortunate souls who don't have theirs yet. I did eventually use a credit card to order it (rather than a money order as originally intended) because I talked to Simon Hart personally on the phone and he impressed me as being honest and trustworthy - and very friendly, too! So, Voiceprint has proven to be a good source for these things to me>and thanks to the list! Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 4:44 pm Subject: Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of different things) Really-From: Brian Frick tadream mailing list wrote: > Melody is not the foundation of TD. Most of us are a bit miffed at the > quality of the stuff being put out recently. Why? Well, the stuff out > recently has better *technical sound quality* and more *layers* than > anything they've ever put out in the 70's and 80's. So why do we like the > 70's and 80's stuff? Because it DID NOT HAVE A MELODY! (in my very humble, > soon to be flamed, opinion) I don't know if I'll be the first to flame you, but remember, it's in fun and not to be taken too seriously. I TOTALLY DISAGREE that Phaedra and subsequent albums did not have a melody. The melody is IMPLIED by the use of the sequencers. Those ramblings are VERY melodic in such a way that each individual pattern or sequence does not have a melody in its own right, but the combination of the individual notes, individual sequences, and whatever else DO have a melody. Listen carefully to Pheadra. The melody is amazing -- a majestic, slow, IMPLIED, and powerful melody. If anyone else can explain what I mean any better, if you understand me at all, please help me on this one!! :) > Phaedra is referred to as blind rambling by the average passerby. But most > TD fans including myself love it to death. Same with Force Majeure, although > the drums would probably invite some pop people :) Again, there is a melody everywhere in Force Majuere! Help me out here, people... :) -- Later! -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 10, 1997 11:45 am Subject: loud fans Really-From: Michael Fox Dano wrote: >>there is no way to shut chattering fans up. Or is there? I ask anyone here....can a >chattering fool be silenced? Most effective ways? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?>> A true story from a few yrs back when Harry Colonic---er, I guess that's Connick--Jr. was out doing his big band thang. At one show a guy got very irritated by a lady behind him who was calling all her friends on her cell phone telling them she was seeing HC. The guy had finally had it so he turned around, grabbed the phone and pitched it as far as he could. He had to replace the phone but said it all was worth it to shut her up! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 5:04 pm Subject: Re: Shreeve Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Paul Nagle > > ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : > > >Is Mark Shreeve's other stuff similar to Red Shift or not? > No - totally different. I hesitate to say so but I think his other > stuff is actually better (and I like Red Shift a lot) ....dynamic, > melodic, well-produced, structured, fewkin cool! Checkout Legion or > Crash Head... > Paul > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- > Paul Nagle - paul@s... > www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 06/05/97) > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- I agree. He has obviously gone back to some classic roots for Red Shift, purposely emulating classic late 70's TD but with infinitely better produced voices (of course since it's the 90's the equipment is far superior). I also agree with Paul. Legion & Crash Head are my two favorite albums by Shreeve. Also, Collide just got released which is his Emma show from '94. That cd will blow you away! Minette Music has all of these if you can't find em anywhere & I trust Dave's mail order service before any other. regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 5:15 pm Subject: Re: OFF: Shreeve's Redshift and The Nightcrawlers Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Craig Shipley > > This is probably been answered already, but... > > No, Redshift is unique in the (currently available) Mark Shreeve catalog. > Most of Shreeves' material is high power 'rocket-fueled' synth rock (ALA > T-Bass, another 'don't miss' release! OK, Dave, where's me $20.00???!!! ;-) > ). There was an old Shreeve LP titled 'Thoughts Of War' that sounds close > to 'Redshift', but good luck on finding a copy of that! (And 'ToW' has > never been released on CD, dad-gummit!). There were a number of tapes that > Shreeve released WAAAYYYY back in the early '80's, never heard 'em, so > can't comment on 'em. Again, these would be nice to have on CD, too...) > > Re: The Nightcrawlers > > CUE Records will be releasing their three LP releases on a two CD set. GET > THIS! The band was a great US TD-clone and deserved a wider exposure than > they got. Unfortunately, the band is no longer active... > > obCDPlayer: Eloy / Performance > > Craig Shipley > craigs@p... Shreeve's cassette releases were called 'Embryo' and 'Ursa Major'. regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 10:26 pm Subject: Re: Quinoa Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Fri, 09 May 1997 13:22:59 -0700 (MST) tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: dbrewer@a... > >Well, when I first got it, I thought it was okay, nothing awesome. But I >did like the longish nature of the track. But now I really like it, and >thought it was cool when they played it on the '92 tour w/ Zlatko playing >over it. (quite an improvement, MHO of course!) I'd say I prefer the Quinoa version. One, because the 'Two Bunch Palms' motif is bound into the context of the 28-minute track, in the traditional TD style fully displaying and exploiting the sequencer run, harmonics and melody, rather than just vaguely touching it with a minimum of variation. Two, because the beginning of the sequencer run and the first few chords played over it sound extremely fascinating and touching after the prolonged mellow intro, whereas in 'ThreePhase', they just appear out of the blue and disappear in the guitar solo. Just my opinion, of course. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 5:43 pm Subject: Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of different things) Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Brian Frick > > I TOTALLY DISAGREE that Phaedra and subsequent albums did not have a > melody. The melody is IMPLIED by the use of the sequencers. Those > ramblings are VERY melodic in such a way that each individual pattern or > sequence does not have a melody in its own right, but the combination of > the individual notes, individual sequences, and whatever else DO have a > melody. Listen carefully to Pheadra. The melody is amazing -- a > majestic, slow, IMPLIED, and powerful melody. If anyone else can > explain what I mean any better, if you understand me at all, please help > me on this one!! :) I agree with you. Nowadays its just too much chords/layers with no silent/strange parts. It's constantly 'loud'. Whereas the 70s/80s music had their quieter moments which made me think/enjoy. It's all very safe music now. But I agree with you too, Feldon! I know what your trying to say. > Help me out here, people... :) Hoped it helped a bit. Marcel Web-page : http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email : fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 5:48 pm Subject: Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of different things) Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:44 AM 5/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Brian Frick > >tadream mailing list wrote: > >I don't know if I'll be the first to flame you, but remember, it's in >fun and not to be taken too seriously. > >I TOTALLY DISAGREE that Phaedra and subsequent albums did not have a >melody. Now that I have my fireproof underwear firmly in place: Of course Phaedra and all the other 1974-1986 stuff has a melody. But it's not someone standing up and getting all the attention with a flute or guitar. It's 2-3 loops and lots of interspersed (and well-placed) notes that sing together. When you look at a music group, it's a singer and a guitarist and *Everyone else*. Can anyone say that Edgar was more signifigantly more important than Schmoelling or Franke? No. They're practically independant in their music at times, but yet, they blend into each other. I love Phaedra, Force Majeure, Rubycon, Logos, Poland, etc. And they've got less melody than Turn of the Tides (which is dripping with it). Morgan feldon@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 6:09 pm Subject: Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of different things) Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Brian Frick > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > Melody is not the foundation of TD. Most of us are a bit miffed at the > > I TOTALLY DISAGREE that Phaedra and subsequent albums did not have a > melody. The melody is IMPLIED by the use of the sequencers. T > Help me out here, people... :) Maybe, we are confusing terms, I think. Classic TD HAS melody, but the difference, and I think I said that here some tome ago, is in the compositional style: classic TD tended to use several voices without any of them being the main one ( in classical music the simil is counterpoint, J.S Bach style by excellence) on the other hand, nowadays, TD tends to use a main voice (melody) dressing it with a harmonic background ( in classical terms this is close to what is known as concert). Botth methods are valid. results can be good or bad with both. About Paul Nagle's asertion, I agree too, keeping in mind ( as he does) there are fantastic concrete pieces having not even recognizable instruments. To me is similar to abstract painting. It can be wallpaper or masterwork, or both. ---FSC From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 6:49 pm Subject: Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of different things) Really-From: Brian Frick tadream mailing list wrote: > Now that I have my fireproof underwear firmly in place: Haha! *lol* > Of course Phaedra and all the other 1974-1986 stuff has a melody. But it's > not someone standing up and getting all the attention with a flute or > guitar. It's 2-3 loops and lots of interspersed (and well-placed) notes that > sing together. When you look at a music group, it's a singer and a guitarist > and *Everyone else*. How does that connect with melody? I mean, what does a singer have to do with the melody of a song? Aside from the obvious, they (singers) are just a different, (much) more common medium for conveying a certain prescribed sound. But a melody like Froese/Franke/Schmoelling convey in their music is a total, wholistic melody created by 'electronicism'. It's not the attention that an artist gets which determines a melody, but the sound that is produced. I suppose everyone will argue that a melody has to be 'hummable', but it IS if you think about it, is it not? I find myself humming Phaedra quite often! I don't know, maybe I should quit this argument now :) > Can anyone say that Edgar was more signifigantly more > important than Schmoelling or Franke? No. Yes, that is true -- they were equally important in the construction of the music. > They're practically independant in > their music at times, but yet, they blend into each other. I love Phaedra, > Force Majeure, Rubycon, Logos, Poland, etc. And they've got less melody than > Turn of the Tides (which is dripping with it). Oh, I don't disagree with you there, that TOTT is lacking in melody -- it's absolutely drowned in corny chord progressions. :) -- Later! -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: 'Choronzon' (EXIT track) Really-From: Steven Feldman 'Choronzon' Just curious: what does this word mean to people, here? Anyone ever hear the word and/or name used in any other context than on this TD album? In other words, is this word in reference to anything else? Why is this song named 'Choronzon'? Anyone know? I've got a suspicion I know, but I'd like to see what others say first before regaling you all with my theory. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3795 Re: 'Choronzon' (EXIT track) Sean Montgomery Mon 5/12/1997 3 KB 3806 Re: 'Choronzon' (EXIT track) Greg Heil Tue 5/13/1997 3 KB 3842 Re: 'Choronzon' (EXIT track) Jim Moore Tue 5/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 9:08 pm Subject: Re: 'Choronzon' (EXIT track) Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Just curious: what does this word mean to people, here? Anyone > ever hear the word and/or name used in any other context than on this > TD album? Choronzon was used as the name of a demon in the pages of Neil Gaiman's 'The Sandman', circa 1988. However, the name has an older history. I quote: CHORONZON Guardian of and 'Dweller in the Abyss' (Demon of Dispersion) = 333 (Noznoroch). Crowley called him the 'first and deadliest of all the powers of evil', sole inhabitant of the Abyss, capable of assuming any shape, the very Lord of Chaos. In 1909 Crowley and Neuburg did battle with him on a mountaintop in Algiers, thus making Neuburg a 'secret chief'. The reason he is so deadly is that his force is the opposite of M/magic(k) and he is therefore a special threat for the Magician who has to grapple with him on his own. Choronzon's open sesame to Hell is 'Zazas, Zazas, Nasatanada, Zazas!' - from the 'Magician's Dictionary' http://www.crl.com/~tzimon/Magidict/top.html That crazy Mr. Crowley. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: RE: Staatsgrenze pink vinyl Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (peter stoeferle) >>> > The pink vinyl edition of 'staatsgrenze west' is supposed to be a limited >>> > edition of 1,000 numbered copies right? Would someone please tell me >>> > where to find the numbers? >>> On the backcover, right-under it says: >>> Begrenzte Auflage, Your copy number: No 330/1000 (my number) But there are also version *without* this imprint and number, so the total number of pink vinyl versions may be higher than 1000. By the way, the ultra rare version in *clear red* vinyl has no numbers - people discuss whether the whole edition is 50, 100 or 300 copies... This could be a collector's item... Peter ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dream Collector magazine Peter Stoeferle eMail: peter.stoeferle@t... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Omimous Themes in EXIT track titles(?) Really-From: Steven Feldman >Re: 'Choronzon' (EXIT track) >Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:08:39 -0400 (EDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >CHORONZON > >Guardian of and 'Dweller in the Abyss' (Demon of Dispersion) >(Noznoroch). Crowley called him the 'first and deadliest of all the >powers of evil' [...] That's what I thought. It's just that I'm no longer up on my Crowley-lore (having dumped your garden-variety occultism and New Age hoo-ha in favor of UFO abduction literature and how it might pertain to quasi-religious concerns {strange lot we TD fans, eh?}) and wanted to make sure. Now then, as is the case of David Bowie's HUNKY DORY (because of the lyrics to 'Quicksand'), STATION TO STATION (because of the title track, which is a biographical ode to Crowley) and HEROES (because of 'Beauty and Beast,' i.e. the Beast and the Scarlet Woman), lots of EXIT is suspect, even though since there are no lyrics, one is left to ponder only the song titles. Let's see. 'Quicksand' has the lines, 'You can tell me all about it on the next bardo' and 'Don't deceive with belief. Knowledge comes with death's release'--a 'bardo' being a limbo-like interim period between incarnations. 'Exit' could pertain to any sort of escape: literal, figurative, psychological . . . spiritual? 'Remote Viewing' is the sort of business (courtesy of Courtney Brown's Institute of Scientific Remote Viewing and Ed Dames' Psi Tech) which came up with the idea that there was a 'Hale-Bopp Companion'-- the notion that psychicism can be regimentally taught and implemented to see things from a remote location (without the aid of cameras). 'Pilots of the Purple Twilight' could refer to the 1960's OUTER LIMITS episode 'Keepers of the Purple Twilight,' which featured a main character who was a logic-driven alien who didn't understand emotion(s): a precursor to STAR TREK's Mr. Spock. 'Choronzon' has been explained by Mr. Montgomery, above. This leaves us with 'Kiew Mission' and 'Network 23.' Anyone out there have any thoughts on whether either of these two might have similarly ominous meanings? ;) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3802 Re: Omimous Themes in EXIT track titles(?) Plumer, Scott Tue 5/13/1997 3 KB 3803 Re: Omimous Themes in EXIT track titles(?) dbrewer@a... Tue 5/13/1997 3 KB 3811 Re: Omimous Themes in EXIT track titles(?) Dennis Nigbur Tue 5/13/1997 2 KB 3879 Re: Omimous Themes in EXIT track titles(?) Simon W. Hood Wed 5/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 10:42 pm Subject: Quinoa! Whew :-) Really-From: spidey Greetings all! To my utter amazement (and surprise), my Quinoa CD arrived today. I was really beginning to worry because I had sent them a (very nice) e-mail inquiring about my order. I never recieved a response. Their level of customer service could be raised up just a tad, don't you think? Sure, I'm glad I got the #%@^$&! disc but it's not fun wondering if you've been scammed. I'm in the middle of my first listen as I write this so an in depth review would not really be fair. What I can say though is that it certainly doesn't strike me to the soul as say....my listen to Tangram! Oscar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Nightcrawlers (note the text in my sig) Really-From: Steven Feldman >OFF: Shreeve's Redshift and The Nightcrawlers >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:54:59 -0400 >Really-From: Craig Shipley > >Re: The Nightcrawlers > >CUE Records will be releasing their three LP releases on a two CD set. >GET THIS! The band was a great US TD-clone and deserved a wider >exposure than they got. Unfortunately, the band is no longer active... Huh?!? I thought it was coming out only in Europe via Mannikin Records! You mean there'll be a domestic release in the USA? Yay!!! Their first LP is too Klaus Schulze-ish for me, but the second LP is very good, and the third one is excellent--better than a lot of stuff TD has done. Buy this sucker, people! (I have all 3 'Crawlers LPs and over 30 of their cassettes. Just as good as the 'Crawlers, by the way, is the CD, 'Regeneration Mode,' by Van Zyl and Gulch-- Gulch being Peter D. Gulch, head of the Nightcrawlers. Until the Mannikin/Cue release, the 'Crawlers never had a CD, so 'Regeneration Mode' used to be the closest you could get. Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 10:53 pm Subject: RE: Compression of samples (No TD) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Try to get hold of an MPEG3 audio compression package. You can >get CD quality music at roughly 12:1 compression ratio (112000 >bits/sec) which still sounds excellent. There are a few public I second that opinion: Polkanet uses MPEG3's and they sound great (www.polkanet.com). No, I'm not kidding. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 6:01 am Subject: Re: Shreeve Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Sun, 11 May 1997 23:45:02 -0800, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' > > >I have recently acquired and listened to Mark Shreeve's Red Shift. >I was totally blown away. Someone said 'Rubycon II' but I was ill >prepared for what my ears encountered with Red Shift. I absolutely >loved it. >I have a question though... >Is Mark Shreeve's other stuff similar to Red Shift or not? >Dreamin', >Maxwell > 'Thoughts of War' is similar but it was only released on LP and is very hard to get a hold of. Another band to try would be Node. Their first album is just as wicked as Red Shift with many similarities. Funny enough, Ed Buller shows up in the credits for both albums. -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 11:49 pm Subject: RE: Omimous Themes in EXIT track titles(?) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > 'Pilots of the Purple Twilight' could refer to the 1960's OUTER >LIMITS episode 'Keepers of the Purple Twilight,' which featured a >main character who was a logic-driven alien who didn't understand >emotion(s): a precursor to STAR TREK's Mr. Spock. I remember seeing an explanation for Pilots somewhere. . . It was the title from a chapter of a book. . . Starship Troopers perhaps? > This leaves us with 'Kiew Mission' and 'Network 23.' Anyone >out there have any thoughts on whether either of these two might >have similarly ominous meanings? ;) I don't have any theories (yet) but I have some observations for others to consider: Kiew Mission DOES have lyrics. They're in Russian, nyet? That should count for something. Also, KM changes melody in mid-song. There is also that pre-set sound that sounds vaguely like a baby (to me, anyway). It also appears in PoPT. The plot thickens! What's in Kiev? I also wonder about putting RV at the end. It seems like more of a middle-album piece to me. I also wonder about the tone of the track. It seems so somber to close such an upbeat album. N23 seems a better tune to close with. Do you suppose they put it at the end on purpose? I have a theory brewing about this album, but I won't reveal it yet. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 12:15 am Subject: Re: Omimous Themes in EXIT track titles(?) Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Steven Feldman > > This leaves us with 'Kiew Mission' and 'Network 23.' Anyone > out there have any thoughts on whether either of these two might > have similarly ominous meanings? ;) > I'm not sure about N23, except for some later reference in the Max Headroom tv show (the name of their network??). But I've always thought that KM was a widely typo'd title that was supposed to be *Kiev* Mission. That makes a little more sense, since I read the translated lyrics published in an issue of Beyond the Horizon some time back. (sorry, I don't have them with me at the moment) I would think it was a message to the Russian gov't telling them to break down the barriers and help in uniting the world. A mission for Kiev; but why not Moscow, if my rediculous hypothesis is right? Just some thoughts... Sorry that they're not very ominous! :-) 'Asia, Africa, Europe, Australia, America... That is the world.' (something like that) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 8:08 pm Subject: Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 07:02 PM 5/11/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> ... >> Hate you. All of you. Now I will have to spend another twelve bucks >> just to get the story straight. I was saving for the American 'Oasis' >> and for all those wonderful Europe '97 Tour CD or CDRs (wink, wink) >> that will be forthcoming. Yes? >> >> Oh, well... I guess I am hooked. > >Just say NO! -- Nancy Reagan (but not regarding her plastic surgeon) > >You _will_ be seeing this in the use bins in the coming months -- trust >me on that. It just came out. I've already seen two of them in used >for about $8. Regarding a 1988 soundtrack album that was never a big >seller, I'd say snap it up when you see it. Regarding the 'Phaedra' / >'Rubycon' / 'Stratosfear' comp known as 'td' that just came out, I'd say >you can afford to wait for a bargain to show up. I would not be >surprised to see this one being sold for $8.99 new by the end of the >summer. One of the pitfalls of having become an American is that I no longer can defer gratification. It is an American trait, trust me. :-) Every time I just say NO, this little voice inside of me says: 'Betcha you can't hold out.' My shrink says that it's not fatal, so I let it be. And fall for it every time. :-( I am s-o-o-o-o-o weak! My only recourse is to admit, once and for ever, that the likelihood of me finding something 'new' in Alabama is so remote that I had better learn to just watch the proceedings here on this list and get my information from the cognoscenti. :-) Thanks for holding my hand throughout this ordeal. :-) :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 12, 1997 8:15 pm Subject: Tour EP '96 for sale or trade Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Gotcha, huh? I received what Compact Disc Connection labels as 'Tour EP '96.' Which is... ta-dah... 'Shepherds Bush.' (No. 01093 of 2000). So now I have two copies. I will trade it for 'Deadly Care,' 'Heartbreakers' 'Sorcerer.' Or 'Rumperstilskin' or 'The Keep.' heehee.... Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 5:36 am Subject: Re: 'Choronzon' (EXIT track) Really-From: 'Greg Heil' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: 'Choronzon' (EXIT track) > Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 1:15 PM > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > 'Choronzon' > > Just curious: what does this word mean to people, here? Anyone > ever hear the word and/or name used in any other context than on this > TD album? In other words, is this word in reference to anything else? > Why is this song named 'Choronzon'? Anyone know? I've got a suspicion > I know, but I'd like to see what others say first before regaling you > all with my theory. Anyone read a post I did on the 'Exit' album from a couple months back? It got into the Remote Viewing part of the album... Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 3:59 pm Subject: Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of different things) Really-From: Paul Nagle >anything they've ever put out in the 70's and 80's. So why do we like the >70's and 80's stuff? Because it DID NOT HAVE A MELODY! (in my very humble, I like the 70s and 80s stuff because it DID have melodies.. >Phaedra is referred to as blind rambling by the average passerby. But most >TD fans including myself love it to death. Same with Force Majeure, although >the drums would probably invite some pop people :) Count me as an average passerby then. Force Majeure has some of the best melodies TD ever did and combined with everything else this makes it one of the strongest albums by anyone, ever. 8-) I also love Rubycon - it has melodies (simple ones but effective) which you enjoy partly because of the anticipation of the buildup. Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking for non-stop whistleable tunes but that special blend of all ingredients that made Tangram, Force Majeure, Stratosfear, Encore etc. all such magical experiences.... Tell you what I think made TD special. It was the rhythms created by their sequencing. Before everything was punctuated by metrnomic percussion, sequences had a life and a time signature that were truly special and quite unique. They hinted at things that even today still blow me away. Now everything is more black and white with this 'thump thump thump thump' stuff that allows no straying from conventional. These days it mostly sounds like Muzak to me I'm afraid (and Muzak has melody so you see that's not the whole answer) although I've not given up hoping for great days again.... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 06/05/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 3:16 pm Subject: Re: Melodical composition (was: loads of different things) Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Tue, 13 May 1997 08:59:38 GMT tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Paul Nagle > >Tell you what I think made TD special. It was the rhythms created by >their sequencing. Before everything was punctuated by metrnomic >percussion, sequences had a life and a time signature that were truly >special and quite unique. They hinted at things that even today still >blow me away. Now everything is more black and white with this 'thump >thump thump thump' stuff that allows no straying from conventional. And, as opposed to today's drumming standards, the sequencer runs had a more individual and _organic_ meaning. Unlike a drumkit, a sequencer is variable in terms of the sound it uses to drive the rhythm pattern. The result is that it's unconceivable to include, say, the high-pitched sequencer run from the beginning of 'Stratosfear' at any point in 'Phaedra' or 'Rubycon'. Being purpose-built for the composition it is included in, it is an organic part of the composition; no matter whether it's on its own (as on the aforementioned albums) or in conjunction with a real drumkit (as on 'Force Majeure' and 'Cyclone'). The programmed drum patterns (especially on 'Rockoon' and the subsequent albums), on the other hand, are universal and interchangeable to any degree of arbitrariness - to the point that I get fed up with them. Say about their quality what you like, but they are _not_ an integral part of the composition. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 10:38 am Subject: Re: Melodical composition Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Paul Nagle > > >anything they've ever put out in the 70's and 80's. So why do we like the > >70's and 80's stuff? Because it DID NOT HAVE A MELODY! (in my very humble, > I like the 70s and 80s stuff because it DID have melodies.. Yeah, I agree, Paul. It's way too simplistic to say that the '70s stuff had NO melody. Some of the best melodies ever are to be found on Force Majeure, Encore, Thief and Tangram. > I also love Rubycon - it has melodies (simple ones but effective) > which you enjoy partly because of the anticipation of the buildup. I suppose it's all down to whether you term any series of notes as a melody, or whether there has to be a 'tune'... > Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking for non-stop whistleable tunes but > that special blend of all ingredients that made Tangram, Force > Majeure, Stratosfear, Encore etc. all such magical experiences.... 'whistleable'. Something like 'Yesterday' or 'Jambalaya'. The final section of Rubycon II is a beautiful musical composition, but it wouldn't work in an orchestral context (IMHO) - part of the beauty is in the sensitive use of sound textures. Also, could you imagine the Mellotronic wonder of Rubycon I being replaced by a DX7 ? Erk ! > Tell you what I think made TD special. It was the rhythms created by > their sequencing. Before everything was punctuated by metrnomic > percussion, sequences had a life and a time signature that were truly > special and quite unique. They hinted at things that even today still > blow me away. Now everything is more black and white with this 'thump > thump thump thump' stuff that allows no straying from conventional. Yes, yes, yes, yes and YES ! Why is all this 'modern music' full of thumpy kick drums ? Sequencers are metronomic in their timing (old step-time ones much more so than modern MIDI thingies). It's what you do with the output that makes it so special. Feed it into a sample of a snare drum and it's dead; Edgar has said as much himself. Feed it into a simple one-oscillator analogue synth and twiddle the knobs, however... If you listen closely to Rubycon or Phaedra, you notice that things don't really stay the same from measure to measure; Oscillators start at slightly different phases relative to each other, the filter envelope gets more deep, etc. Most of the time, this was deliberate and under full control of Chris, but often it was as an unavoidable side-effect of the equipment they were using. > These days it mostly sounds like Muzak to me I'm afraid (and Muzak has > melody so you see that's not the whole answer) although I've not given > up hoping for great days again.... I personally don't think that TD are ever going to return to the golden era, but I reckon that bands like Node, or even dancier acts like Juno Reactor, might have an ace up the sleeve. And I've still to hear 'Redshift'... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 10:46 am Subject: Melody - the key ingredient?? Really-From: ashok prema Re: Paul Nagles assertion that melody is a key component of good music. I agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly - it is noticeable that the first audience reaction on 'Logos' - is the first real meldoy line (played with that lead synth oboey sound followed by the flute reply) - and at the end of it, the audience erupt in applause!! And for those who enjoy 'Rbuycon' - it really takes off when the high string melody line comes in - lets face it - melody is somewaht of a vague term as far as I am concerned - the seqence line - especuially on side 2 provides the 'melody' ie - you can follow it and sing along with it. It is simple to produce washes of sound full of 'weebly wobbly 'noises and not going anywhere - this sort of music is ok for a minute or two but unless it really develops, fast becomes monotonous/boring. One of the reason JM Jarre and Vangelis sells so well is that they produce music you can hum along with - abstract music is fine for an evening of quiet solitude by yourself - but to appreciate music together with other people GENERALLY requires a good tune! And OK - so we 400 or so people may prefer to listen to TD than Spice Girls - but their are millions out there who don't seem to want to - and without bringing elistism and taste into it - Spice Girls are obviously doing something right which TD have failed to do. The fact is - wouldn't we all like to see TD selling millions of albums?? - and do sell-out tours of football stadiums?? Spice Girls do that whereas TD are reduced to selling a paltry 400 tickets in Amsterdam - ironic when the KLEM festival in Holland regularly fetches more than 1100 paying guests! Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3818 Re: Melody - the key ingredient?? Mark Filipak Tue 5/13/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 3:20 pm Subject: Re: RE: Omimous Themes in EXIT track titles(?) Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Mon, 12 May 1997 19:49:00 -0400 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I have >a theory brewing about this album, but I won't reveal it yet. > >Scott OH, P L E A S E ! ! ! ! Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Pilots of Purple Twilight Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... >Really-From: Steven Feldman > 'Pilots of the Purple Twilight' could refer to the 1960's OUTER >LIMITS episode 'Keepers of the Purple Twilight,' which featured a >main character who was a logic-driven alien who didn't understand >emotion(s): a precursor to STAR TREK's Mr. Spock. In fact, the title of this track is taken from Tennyson's poem 'Locksley Hall'. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3845 Pilots of Purple Twilight Plumer, Scott Wed 5/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 1:19 am Subject: Re: Bad Cover Design (No TD Content) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > Thanks Mark. I'm a Corel user myself and prefer these programs > > over any other graphic design software. > > Okay, I will retreat just a bit, and concede that in the right hands, > CorelDRAW can do the job. But in comparison to Adobe Illustrator, I > have always found it 'clunky', and any anal-retentive font guru would > rather be hog-tied naked in a room of hungry rats than be limited to > Corel's selection of typefaces. Yeah, there's a lot of selection, but > 90% of them are crap, suitable mainly for Circus Posters.....IMHO. I'd like to tie this up in a package and finish the thread as I don't know how many people are interested in computers, but I know there are a fair number of artists in the group, so it may continue. I use (in order of preference) Adobe Photoshop, CorelDraw, Adobe Illustrator, and Corel Photopaint. Each has it's strengths and weaknesses. I may do some work in Photoshop, then save it and open it back up in Photopaint to do one thing Photopaint does well, then save it and open it back up in Photoshop. Fonts are another issue. By my experience (from best to horrible) Cassidy & Green, IQE, and Adobe (all equally good), Bitstream and ITC (both okay but not the best), and way back at the end of the pack, URW ('wretch!' -- this is the cheap-knockoff outfit in Germany I wrote about day before yesterday and where Corel got most of their fonts). Mac or Windows? -- I've used both -- I choose Windows. Why? One reason: drop down menues instead of pull down menues. For what it's worth. -- Mark (NT rules!) PS: CorelDraw handles bessier curves more intellegently than does Illustrator, IMHO. But no tracing program beats Adobe Streamline. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 7:10 pm Subject: Re: Ticket Numbers (was : Melody - the key ingredient??) Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: ashok prema > GENERALLY requires a good tune! And OK - so we 400 or so people may prefer > to listen to TD than Spice Girls - but their are millions out there who > don't seem to want to - and without bringing elistism and taste into it - > Spice Girls are obviously doing something right which TD have failed to do. > The fact is - wouldn't we all like to see TD selling millions of albums?? - > and do sell-out tours of football stadiums?? Terrible confession time : I like the fact that I'm one of the few people I know who likes TD. I've mentioned before about the spirit of community that exists amongst this band of mailers and people I've met at concerts which I am pretty sure (although cannot say for fact) does not occur with followers of Oasis, Blur and the Spice Girls. I believe this is because we are all one-in-a-million in liking TD (well, okay, maybe 1-in-a-couplahundredthousand, then). Whlst I would be happy for the band to have such a degree of recognition in their work, to sell so many records and perform such popular shows, I would also feel the loss of somthing 'quirky' that makes me a TD fan and member of that community. > Spice Girls do that whereas > TD are reduced to selling a paltry 400 tickets in Amsterdam - ironic when > the KLEM festival in Holland regularly fetches more than 1100 paying guests! This is perhaps a good point to discuss. To me, this suggests that TD have entered (or have been there for some time) the 'Twilight' zone - too obscure for pop/rock/normal fans and too commercial for e-music fans. Have TD moved so far from their rots that they are derided by the E-Music community nowadays? Have Shreeve, Pickford, Boddy, Node, RMI, etc. taken their mantle? On such musings are working days lost! --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3816 Re: Ticket Numbers (was : Melody - the key ingred Paul Nagle Tue 5/13/1997 2 KB 3831 Re: Ticket Numbers (was : Melody - the key ingred Marcel Engels Tue 5/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 4:45 pm Subject: Re: 'Twilight Zone' (was : Melody - the key ingredient??) Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Tue, 13 May 1997 12:10:49 GB-EIRE tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' >This is perhaps a good point to discuss. To me, this >suggests that TD have entered (or have been there for some >time) the 'Twilight' zone - too obscure for pop/rock/normal >fans and too commercial for e-music fans. Have TD moved so >far from their rots that they are derided by the E-Music >community nowadays? Have Shreeve, Pickford, Boddy, Node, >RMI, etc. taken their mantle? Apparently, today's TD have manoeuvred themselves into the very category that you so eloquently described, according to a large proportion of the e-music followers. It's exactly what you say - they are too mellow for dance music fans, too soft for metallers, and, especially after 'Dream Mixes' (into the dance direction) and more catchy and hard-rock-ish rather than atmospheric guitar parts on various albums, too commercial for e-music freaks. It is very hard to find, for instance, a journalist in a general music magazine who actually _understands_ the 'ocean of electronic bleeps' he is writing about, as it is difficult to find an editor on the e-music sector who doesn't frown at TD for being 'burnt-out and too commercial'. The music market today thrives on its self-established categories, when one of the first questions you ask when you want to get to know somebody is about what type of music he/she prefers. One must not forget that the unique traditional TD style (along with Pink Floyd, Jarre, Jethro Tull and the like) emerged from an extremely open-minded and tolerant musical culture in the late 60s/early 70s. Even if the situation has changed into a more rigidly categorised, narrow-minded purpose-oriented market, TD are well advised to continue their musical development regardless of what representatives of one category or the other might think. It is a better idea for them to carry on developing their own unique style, pretending that things are still as open-ended as in the Seventies, rather than seeking to find their place in one of the rigidly defined boxes, which - after a while - everybody gets fed up with anyway. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 7:09 pm Subject: Re: Ticket Numbers (was : Melody - the key ingredient??) Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >fans and too commercial for e-music fans. Have TD moved so >far from their rots that they are derided by the E-Music They've not moved far enough from their rots in my opinion... 8-) Sorry, couldn't resist.... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 13/05/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 12:18 pm Subject: help,help,heeeeelp! Really-From: 'SIDEX SA - CENTRUL DE CALCUL' Is there something wrong with the tadream digest ? The last one I have is numbered 913 . Thanks, Bogdan ('of Romania' ;-)) P.S. Send answer to sidexspr@e... ,please ! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 12:35 pm Subject: Re: Melody - the key ingredient?? Really-From: Mark Filipak Gawd, I love this list! > ashok prema wrote: > > Re: Paul Nagles assertion that melody is a key component of good music. > I agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly - it is noticeable that > the first audience reaction on 'Logos' - is the first real meldoy > line (played with that lead synth oboey sound followed by the flute > reply) - and at the end of it, the audience erupt in applause!! So true, Ash. But the reason the audience takes off is that the molody releases the tension created by the segments that preceed it. This is part of the genius of TD, to build tension with spooky, half-otherworldly textures that rise and fall and don't seem to go anywhere or to come to any satisfying solution... then (BAM!) out of nowhere comes a motoric pulse and a trancey melody that relieves all that tension -- I can't resist smiling when that happens. > ... Spice Girls are obviously doing something right which TD have > failed to do. ... Good grief, Ash! You can't be serious? > ... The fact is - wouldn't we all like to see TD selling millions of > albums?? - and do sell-out tours of football stadiums?? To be quite frank, no. Trying to sell millions of records is what the Melrose and Seattle years were all about and it didn't work for me and it didn't work for the band. > ... Spice Girls do that whereas TD are reduced to selling a paltry > 400 tickets in Amsterdam - ironic when the KLEM festival in Holland > regularly fetches more than 1100 paying guests! Spice Girls to KLEM. Isn't that a bit of a stretch? Big news Ash: TD doesn't do vocals. The average Joe and Jane can't relate to instrumental music, whether it's e-music, jazz, classical, whatever. A hundred years ago it was no different. People were wild for lieder music and Gilbert and Sullivan. Perhaps TD should start doing opera, eh? My $2E-2 -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 12:57 pm Subject: Ominous meanings in 'Exit' titles? Really-From: Elana who? This leaves us with 'Kiew Mission' and 'Network 23.' Anyone out there have any thoughts on whether either of these two might have similarly ominous meanings? ;) Don't know about 'Network 23', but I DO remember the word from CHRIS on Kiew Mission. 'Kiew' is actually the Russian city of Kiev, and TD at the time was... drat, I can't remember Chris' exact words. Something about that piece being their comment r.e. to the problems and tensions of the countries on either side of the Iron Curtain at the time... they didn't like the animosity and the tension happening there, and 'Kiew Mission' is kind of a reminder that we are really all on this planet together, in a way... all the countries... That's my re-interpretation of a fuzzy 6-year old memory of what Chris was saying, but nothing resembling an exact quote... so don't quote it. At least it's kind of in the neighborhood of what he meant. ;) -Elana From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 12:51 pm Subject: Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > >> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > >> ... > >> Hate you. All of you. Now I will have to spend another twelve bucks > >> just to get the story straight. ... > >> > >> Oh, well... I guess I am hooked. > > > > Just say NO! -- Nancy Reagan (but not regarding her plastic surgeon) > ... > Every time I just say NO, this little voice inside of me says: 'Betcha > you can't hold out.' My shrink says that it's not fatal, so I let it > be. And fall for it every time. :-( > > I am s-o-o-o-o-o weak! ... (Paging Dr. Lars .... Paging Dr. Lars .... Emergency! Dr. Lars!) Andrew, do you at least want to save a little money and have me buy this thing out of the used bins and send it to you? Hey, wait! Don't you already have 'Phaedra,' 'Rubycon,' and 'Stratosfear?' -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3849 Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 5/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: 'Remote Viewing' and Remote Viewing Really-From: Steven Feldman >Re: 'Choronzon' (EXIT track) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 22:36:35 -0700 >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > >> Subject: 'Choronzon' (EXIT track) >> Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 1:15 PM >> Really-From: Steven Feldman > >Anyone read a post I did on the 'Exit' album from a couple months back? >It got into the Remote Viewing part of the album... If it makes you feel any better, Greg, *I* did--with keen interest. I didn't forget, I assure you. Thanks for the comments back then and for reminding us. -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 2:00 pm Subject: TD's Rock Opera for the '90s Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > Spice Girls to KLEM. Isn't that a bit of a stretch? Big news Ash: TD > doesn't do vocals. The average Joe and Jane can't relate to > instrumental music, whether it's e-music, jazz, classical, whatever. A > hundred years ago it was no different. People were wild for lieder > music and Gilbert and Sullivan. Perhaps TD should start doing opera, > eh? Or better yet, a rock opera ! How about this for a scenario.... Young Eddie starts a band, but all the good members leave, and he becomes blind, deaf and dumb. However, due to his hightened sense of touch, he becomes a wizard of the electronic game 'ricochet'. His current band members try various charlatans to find a cure for him, but his son, Jerry notices that Eddie finds a strange fascination in his VDU (whilst running Cubase). He commands Eddie to smash the VDU, and he is miraculously cured. Eddie then creates a religious cult known as the Dreamers, and starts a holiday camp where everyone must don ear plugs and blindfolds whilst playing ricochet. The cult members rebel, and Eddie winds up playing old Jimi Hendrix numbers on the accoustic guitar. I think it's a winner ! Original Sound Track featuring such hits as :- 'Eddie can you hear me ?' 'Ricochet Wizard' 'Smash the VDU' 'Eddie's holiday camp' (that's enough crap tune names - Ed) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3823 Re: TD's Rock Opera for the '90s Mark Filipak Tue 5/13/1997 3 KB 3825 Re: TD's Rock Opera for the '90s Grant Middleton Tue 5/13/1997 2 KB 3828 Re: TD's Rock Opera for the '90s Mark Filipak Tue 5/13/1997 3 KB 3829 Re: TD's Rock Opera for the '90s Dr. Alan Stocker Tue 5/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 2:41 pm Subject: Re: TD's Rock Opera for the '90s Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > ... > Or better yet, a rock opera ! > > How about this for a scenario.... > > Young Eddie starts a band, but all the good members leave, > and he becomes blind, deaf and dumb. However, due to his > hightened sense of touch, he becomes a wizard of the > electronic game 'ricochet'. His current band members try > various charlatans to find a cure for him, but his son, > Jerry notices that Eddie finds a strange fascination in > his VDU (whilst running Cubase). He commands Eddie to > smash the VDU, and he is miraculously cured. > > Eddie then creates a religious cult known as the Dreamers, > and starts a holiday camp where everyone must don ear > plugs and blindfolds whilst playing ricochet. The cult > members rebel, and Eddie winds up playing old Jimi > Hendrix numbers on the accoustic guitar. > > I think it's a winner ! Only if you sing lead, Grant. ;-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 2:29 pm Subject: Taping, Dolby-C, & Recording Levels Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi fellow tapers. If TD comes to US, I anticipate an active taping season and want to be as prepared as I can be. But I have some concerns and/or questions. (Note: I know some people just hate gear talk. Please feel free to use the delete key.) DOLBY-C I've noticed what appears to be a certain 'bias' against Dolby on some folks part. Frankly, knowing what I know about the repeatability of integrated electronics and Dolby Labs' standards for certification (the rights to use the Dolby name and double-D symbol), I'm mystified by this attitude. I'm somewhat playing devil's advocate here, but promise to keep an open mind if someone will (try to) explain what they think is wrong with Dolby or why they choose not to use it. (I've always been fascinated by religion. ;-) RECORDING LEVELS Various tape technolgies have various red lines. Metal tape red lines at about +8 dbm. I've been told that occasional peaks into the red are okay (I interpret 'occasional' as once, maybe twice a minute, ie, not continuously at the red line). But some people insist on recording at 0 dbm or even -4 dbm. Why would anyone want to leave that much headroom when it's just wasted? Each +3 db doubles the signal to noise ratio. An increase from -3 db to + 6 db improves the signal to noise by a factor of 8. Why wouldn't everyone want to take advantage of that extra s/n? Rather than just present my arguements, I really do want to hear what others have to say. Most of you know I'm a hardware engineer, but there may be factors other than cold technology for doing what to me seems unjustifiable, wasteful, and detrimental to the best possible sound. Practicality trumps theory almost every time and if there are practical reasons for not using Dolby (especially Dolby-C) and for not using all the headroom available, I'd certainly like to hear them. Thanks -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3835 Re: Taping, Dolby-C, & Recording Levels Francisco Salgado C. Tue 5/13/1997 4 KB 3841 Re: Taping, Dolby-C, & Recording Levels Plumer, Scott Tue 5/13/1997 3 KB 3855 Taping, Dolby-C, & Recording Levels Klaus Beschorner Wed 5/14/1997 2 KB 3869 Re: Taping, Dolby-C, & Recording Levels Mark Filipak Wed 5/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 3:42 pm Subject: Re: TD's Rock Opera for the '90s Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > I think it's a winner ! > > Only if you sing lead, Grant. ;-) Cough, cough.... Chingle chingle-a chingle Ever since I was a young boy I've played a keyboard wall >From Berlin down to Munich I musta played 'em all But I ain't seen nothin like him In any concert hall That deaf, dumb and blind kid SURE PLAYS A MEAN E-BALL !!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 3:57 pm Subject: Re: More soundtracks? Really-From: Steve Yensen >> Vic: And finally, I haven't heard any mention about 'The Forbidden' soundtrack. >>Me (yesterday): Funnily enough, I thought of that one, but when I tried to find some info about it, I couldn't find it in 'Halliwell's Film Guide 11th Edition'. It has Jacqueline Bisset and Jurgen Prochnow in it. I have seen it once, but have been unable to locate the video in shops. Me (today): Funnier still, one day after my last message, I've just managed to get the video second hand from Long Eaton market for the princely sum of two pounds ! And it's excellent quality! Steve. Nottingham, UK. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Pilots of the P T is from Tennyson's 'Locksley Hall'?!? Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Pilots of Purple Twilight >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: 13 May 97 11:36 >Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... > >> 'Pilots of the Purple Twilight' [...] > >In fact, the title of this track is taken from Tennyson's poem >'Locksley Hall'. And so . . . what's this poem about? It could be that you're guessing. Is Tennyson necessarily responsible for this phrase? I don't know my *ss from my elbow when it comes to poetry, so I really wouldn't know. -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 4:20 pm Subject: Re: TD's Rock Opera for the '90s Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > I think it's a winner ! > > > > Only if you sing lead, Grant. ;-) > > Cough, cough.... > > Chingle chingle-a chingle > > Ever since I was a young boy > I've played a keyboard wall > >From Berlin down to Munich > I musta played 'em all > But I ain't seen nothin like him > In any concert hall > That deaf, dumb and blind kid > SURE PLAYS A MEAN E-BALL !!! Thanks Grant! What a good laugh. Are you going to set fire to your keyboard now? -- Mark (take pictures please) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 5:02 pm Subject: Re: TD's Rock Opera for the '90s Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Chingle chingle-a chingle > >Ever since I was a young boy >I've played a keyboard wall >>From Berlin down to Munich >I musta played 'em all >But I ain't seen nothin like him >In any concert hall >That deaf, dumb and blind kid >SURE PLAYS A MEAN E-BALL !!! Grant... lie down, take a break, a holiday or something... with a large grin Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 5:03 pm Subject: TD music in 'Master Of The Flying Guillotine' Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > I wasn't sure if anyone was aware (or cared heh) but I watched Master of the Flying Guillotine the other day (a commemerative (?) chinese film with extreme violence) and lo and behold it was tracked with TD's Rubycon and Kraftwerk's Autobahn. Weird. Just thought I'd let you all know. regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 5:12 pm Subject: Re: Ticket Numbers (was : Melody - the key ingredient??) Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: ashok prema > > > GENERALLY requires a good tune! And OK - so we 400 or so people may prefer > to listen to TD than Spice Girls - but their are millions out there who > don't seem to want to - and without bringing elistism and taste into it - > Spice Girls are obviously doing something right which TD have failed to do. > The fact is - wouldn't we all like to see TD selling millions of albums?? - > and do sell-out tours of football stadiums?? And what a super-concert it was in A'dam, because there were only 400 people! This way you can see everything and actually meet the guys. PS: I don't care if they sell millions. Marcel Web-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 5:53 pm Subject: Brussels Chirque Royale concert info Really-From: Florin Epure Hi, I would like to know some information about the contents (tracks) of Brussels Chirque Royale concert from 13.10.80. Can anybody confirm if it is similar or identical to Preston 5.11.80 concert (I expect so because it is in the same '80 tour)? Thanks, Florin. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3843 Re: Brussels Chirque Royale concert info Plumer, Scott Tue 5/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 5:59 pm Subject: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' The Space Girls may sell millions, but in 2 or 3 years they will be fully forgotten. Think of the 'New Kids on the Block' craze of 5 years ago, who remembers them now? Meanwhile, TD's music will live on. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3844 Re: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream TangerineC@a... Tue 5/13/1997 2 KB 3846 Re: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream Dennis Trinastic Wed 5/14/1997 3 KB 3848 Re: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream Rakinik Intertype Wed 5/14/1997 2 KB 3853 Re: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream Grant Middleton Wed 5/14/1997 4 KB 3857 Re: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream Michal Balcerzak Wed 5/14/1997 2 KB 3865 Re: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream Grant Middleton Wed 5/14/1997 2 KB 3893 Re: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream BSphar@a... Thu 5/15/1997 2 KB 3897 Re: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream Grant Middleton Thu 5/15/1997 2 KB 3918 Re: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream TWeibre361@a... Thu 5/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: FORBIDDEN and MASTER OF THE FLYING G Really-From: Steven Feldman I've seen FORBIDDEN. It's no great shakes. The music isn't any big deal, either. Sort of like the first TATORT single ('Das Madchen auf der Treppe') combined with DEADLY CARE. If this never sees a CD release, I won't be heartbroken. I only recall one or two tracks that did much of anything for me. As for kung fu movies like MASTER OF THE FLYING GUILLOTINE, well, kung fu stuff has always (and always will?) plundered e-music. I've heard Jean-Michel Jarre, TD, Kraftwerk, Wendy Carlos . . . and swipes from the soundtracks to 60's TV shows like CANNON. And did you know that MASTER OF THE FLYING G had a sequel? And that both movies were based on a real person who actually had and used such a weapon?!?!? 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(tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 6:16 pm Subject: Re: Taping, Dolby-C, & Recording Levels Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > DOLBY-C In My partiucular A-B listening tests I've found no perceived difference betweeen original and copy both made from the same deck: I didn't do any test of original/copy done in another deck and played in mine or viceversa. I find Dolby C a very good way to improve S/N ratio around 20 dB more, making a typical -68 dB of tapes to go down to -88 dB( thar is a very good noise ratio, near the specs of digital audio). The possible inconviniences are much less perceptible than it's benefits. > RECORDING LEVELS > Various tape technolgies have various red lines. Metal tape red lines > at about +8 dbm. I've been told that occasional peaks into the red are > okay (I interpret 'occasional' as once, maybe twice a minute, ie, not > continuously at the red line). But some people insist on recording at 0 > dbm or even -4 dbm. Why would anyone want to leave that much headroom > when it's just wasted? Each +3 db doubles the signal to noise ratio. ( every 6dB signal doubles ) Ocasional as defined by you is very conservative ( I define ocasional as one or two ever second, meaning a couple of transients ( 20-30 msec long per second). Based on this, it's fair to have those transients at +8 dB without perceptible distorsion, although, being tape a non linear media, maybe signal is a bit compressed at that level. > An increase from -3 db to + 6 db improves the signal to noise by a > factor of 8. Why wouldn't everyone want to take advantage of that extra > s/n? That factor is not the same at different frequencies. the + 8 dB MOL is defined at 1KHz. At 10KHz MOL is -2.5 dB on chrome tapes ( Maxell XLII specs), maybe 0dB on a metal tape. If you want to keep treble content unattenuated you have to be carefull not go very close to the limits, and deppending on the type of music you might hear differences, specially at transient passages such as clashes, horns, battery sounds... And a 3 dB S/N improvement is almost unperceptible... so combining things, I would use Dolby C and stick near +3 dB (ocasional levels) to guarantee transient recording while keeping S/N very good still, specially if I'm going to record a live show. I've heard many TD live recordings having perceptible distorsion, because, maybe, recordists wanted to squeeze every bit of signal level out of the tape. ---FSC From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 10:04 am Subject: TD Does Computer Games? Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Hello all... I downloaded a game demo from my favorite Gaming magazine site (PC Gamer) They had recently gotten a new demo called 'Blue Ice.' Upon starting this game, a screen came up which said this: 'Blue Ice contains amospheric tracks by 18 groups including Orbital, Future Sound of London, Tangerine Dream, and Duke Ellington.' Although the demo has no music, and the relaese of this game will be on CD, the demo displayed a few other -names- of people doing music, including a Mozart song as well as someone named Paul Schultze. What do you think? Could this be new TD work? Atmospheric? Could it possibly be something other than Goblin's Club type stuff? I'll rent this one if possible--it might be a pain in the butt to work through it.. but the music might be worth it :) And just maybe.. they (being Psygnosis based out of England) might not stream the music on CD.. and allow us all to listen on our CD players.. The gaming industry has always been a place where electronic musicians thrive.. and with Psygnosis' incredible budget (being part of Sony and having extreme success with recent Sony Playstation games) it seems like a go.. maybe I'll have to go further into this demo (puzzle games--*sigh* so much clicking around) maybe I'll spot a new name or even a TD track.. (they do list track names along with musicians' names if you click on the CD icon) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3837 Re: TD Does Computer Games? Vincent Goudreault Tue 5/13/1997 3 KB 3838 Re: TD Does Computer Games? Craig R. J. Cordrey Tue 5/13/1997 3 KB 3840 Re: TD Does Computer Games? stephan bischoff Tue 5/13/1997 3 KB 3851 Re: TD Does Computer Games? Grant Middleton Wed 5/14/1997 3 KB 3884 Re: TD Does Computer Games? Greg Heil Wed 5/14/1997 3 KB 3916 Re: TD Does Computer Games? Harri Ikonen Thu 5/15/1997 2 KB 3935 Re: TD Does Computer Games? Mark Filipak Fri 5/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 3:03 pm Subject: Re: TD Does Computer Games? Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Interesting thread, Greg. However, I note that you quote the caption as reading 'Blue Ice contains amospheric tracks by 18 groups including Orbital, Future Sound of London, Tangerine Dream, and Duke Ellington.' Note that nowhere does it say 'new' or 'exclusive'. The recent 'Wipeout XL' game release was accompanied by the release of a CD featuring the tracks used (I believe, since I don't have that game) in the game itself. Notoriously present is 'We have explosives' from the latest FSOL CD 'Dead City'. I am not sure if it is not a slighly (or even heavily) re-mixed version, but it is not originla stuff in that game. Perhaps someone will be able to tell if TD's contribution to this 'Blue Ice' is original music especially composed for the game, or simply some bits for some recent or not so recent albums. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 3:31 am Subject: Re: TD Does Computer Games? Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > What do you think? Could this be new TD work? Atmospheric? Could it > possibly be something other than Goblin's Club type stuff? I'll rent this > one if possible--it might be a pain in the butt to work through it.. but > the music might be worth it :) I raised this very issue myself a couple of months back (I'm a PC Zone man, myself). It was met with stoney silence, so I wanted to respond and let you know at least one person is interested in this. > The gaming industry has always been a place where electronic musicians > thrive.. and with Psygnosis' incredible budget (being part of Sony and > having extreme success with recent Sony Playstation games) it seems like a > go.. maybe I'll have to go further into this demo (puzzle games--*sigh* so > much clicking around) maybe I'll spot a new name or even a TD track.. (they > do list track names along with musicians' names if you click on the CD > icon) I found the game itself quite difficult (and a little boring perhaps as a result). I couldn't get any further than the two you've named - I think I got into four locations in all. I've seen the game for sale at only stlg14.99 - about the price of a CD. I wouldn't want to buy this as a game, but if it does have the tracks playable on a normal CD player, I'd probably buy it as a sampler. Keep me (us?) posted, please --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 3:35 pm Subject: Jan Hammer Really-From: Michael Fox >Really-From: feldon@n... > > >At 11:13 AM 5/12/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >>As for what happened to Jan Hammer, he's currently writing the music for a >>series of Computer Animation videos called 'The Mind's Eye'. Nothing >>spectacular, musically. > >Read 'nothing spectacular' as 'crap'. > >Morgan >feldon@n... Gee, Morgan, don't hold back. I thought the 'Minds Eye' piece he did was a nice blend of Comp. Animation and music (IMHO). Two of my other Hammer faves are the live Jeff Beck album and the Billy Cobham piece 'Spectrum'. Mike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3888 Jan Hammer Michael Fox Thu 5/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 8:59 pm Subject: Re: TD Does Computer Games? Really-From: stephan bischoff >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > I downloaded a game demo from my favorite Gaming magazine site (PC Gamer) >They had recently gotten a new demo called 'Blue Ice.' Upon starting this >game, a screen came up which said this: 'Blue Ice contains amospheric >tracks by 18 groups including Orbital, Future Sound of London, Tangerine >Dream, and Duke Ellington.' Although the demo has no music, and the relaese >of this game will be on CD, the demo displayed a few other -names- of >people doing music, including a Mozart song as well as someone named Paul >Schultze. > > What do you think? Could this be new TD work? Atmospheric? Could it >possibly be something other than Goblin's Club type stuff? I'll rent this >one if possible--it might be a pain in the butt to work through it.. but >the music might be worth it :) A few months ago I had a demo from this game, consisting of 3 or 4 locations. I also read about the td music and gave it a try. What I remember was a really stupid gameplay combined with some short loops from FSOL's 'Lifeforms' and Mozart. Stephan _____ __________________________________________________________ / || \ |E-mail|| Stephan.Bischoff@H... | \_____||____________________________________________________ | / || | | Home ||http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/index.html | \_____||__________________________________________________________/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 9:24 pm Subject: RE: Taping, Dolby-C, & Recording Levels Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Here's my opinion as a veteran taper (you haven't seen anal tapers until you've traded for the Dead) >DOLBY-C What I've read is that unless you have that type of Dolby on your playback unit, the sound gets muddied if the recording was made in Dolby. I think this is BS, because Network 388 (e.g.) was recorded in Dolby B and sounds great on my car stereo, which does not have Dolby at all. You could always play it back in Dolby if tape hiss was a problem. >RECORDING LEVELS I think the reason for this is that many people either A) Don't know about recording levels or, more likely B) copy tapes on equipment that doesn't allow level adjustment. Most dual-deck boomboxes and component decks don't have adjustable levels. I have a dual-deck boombox and on the rare occasions when I copied tapes on it, I can hear the record level going up automatically on quiet portions, with a corresponding rise in tape hiss. Then when the louder sounds come back suddenly, you have saturation until the auto level control can bring it back to normal. My boombox does have switch for metal tapes, which I believe also adjusts the recording levels. When trading, I always require levels between +1 and +3 dB, just because I like to listen to music loud, especially in my car, and I hate turning the volume up all the way and not even having my rearview mirror vibrate. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 9:29 pm Subject: RE: 'Choronzon' (EXIT track) Really-From: Jim Moore CHORONZON >The reason >he is so deadly is that his force is the opposite of M/magic(k) and he is >therefore a special threat for the Magician who has to grapple with him on >his own. 'Opposite of magic'? You mean 'science'? 'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 9:30 pm Subject: RE: Brussels Chirque Royale concert info Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I would like to know some information about the contents (tracks) of Brussels Chirque Royale concert from 13.10.80. >Can anybody confirm if it is similar or identical to Preston 5.11.80 concert (I expect so because it is in the same '80 tour)? Similar, but not identical. That Brussels '80 show kicks serious butt, BTW. (For those of you who are not familiar with American idioms, that means its very good.) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 10:44 pm Subject: Re: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream Really-From: TangerineC@a... It's Spice Girls, first of all. Second, why in God's name are we even saying spice girls and TD in the same sentence?????????? ( smell the sarcasim?) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 11:16 pm Subject: Pilots of Purple Twilight Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Here's a few lines from 'Locksley Hall;' 117 Men, my brothers, men the workers, ever reaping something new: 118 That which they have done but earnest of the things that they shall do: 119 For I dipt into the future, far as human eye could see, 120 Saw the Vision of the world, and all the wonder that would be; 121 Saw the heavens fill with commerce, argosies of magic sails, 122 Pilots of the purple twilight dropping down with costly bales; Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 3:46 am Subject: RE: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream Really-From: Dennis Trinastic >Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > >The Space Girls may sell millions, but in 2 or 3 years they will be fully >forgotten. Think of the 'New Kids on the Block' craze of 5 years ago, >who remembers them now? >Meanwhile, TD's music will live on. You really hit the nail on the head. TD's music will live on because it has musical value, while disgustingly popular groups such as the Spice Girls just have gimmicks. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember hearing that the Spice Girls were just stuck together by some other party; they're not a true 'band', just a money-making scheme. The problem with these musical fads is that they lack in what should be the most important area: music. People listen to them because they have star-quality and popularity. Although the golden days of TD may be over, they are still producing quality music, which is more than I can say of many current music groups. It seems that for a group to be popular they have to sell out, at least to some extent, by sacrificing music for popularity. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 5:13 am Subject: Re: Re: Jan Hammer is not crap! Really-From: feldon@n... At 03:35 PM 5/13/97, you wrote: >Really-From: Michael Fox > >>Really-From: feldon@n... >> >>At 11:13 AM 5/12/97 -0400, you wrote: >>>Really-From: Sean Montgomery >> >>>As for what happened to Jan Hammer, he's currently writing the music for a >>>series of Computer Animation videos called 'The Mind's Eye'. Nothing >>>spectacular, musically. >> >>Read 'nothing spectacular' as 'crap'. > >Gee, Morgan, don't hold back. I thought the 'Minds Eye' piece he did was a >nice blend of Comp. Animation and music (IMHO). Two of my other Hammer >faves are the live Jeff Beck album and the Billy Cobham piece 'Spectrum'. Oh crap! I've gotten my artists confused!! I sincerely apologize to Mr. Hammer! I am thinking of the -musical- garbage on the third Mind's Eyes video (Gate to the Mind's Eye) done by *Thomas Dolby*. I very much like the music done on The Mind's Eye and Beyond the Mind's Eye. Which now that I think about it is Jan Hammer. Morgan feldon@n... p.s. Must've been in a coma when I replied that that one! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 5:18 am Subject: Re: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > The Space Girls may sell millions, but in 2 or 3 years they will be fully > forgotten. Think of the 'New Kids on the Block' craze of 5 years ago, > who remembers them now? > > Meanwhile, TD's music will live on. > > C.B. Vincent Goudreault > online since early 93, TD fan since 77 > first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet new kids on the block? Who are they? heh heh From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 12:17 am Subject: Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 05:51 AM 5/13/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak >> I am s-o-o-o-o-o weak! ... > >(Paging Dr. Lars .... Paging Dr. Lars .... Emergency! Dr. Lars!) > >Andrew, do you at least want to save a little money and have me buy this >thing out of the used bins and send it to you? > >Hey, wait! Don't you already have 'Phaedra,' 'Rubycon,' and >'Stratosfear?' Of course I do....but it was you guys... you guys....you guys... who turned me into an anal completist freak. Your fault. All your fault. I had nothing to do with it. >-- Mark Andrew P.S. All we have in OUR used bins around heah is country music. Gag me with a po' boy (that's a Nawlins samich for you uninitiated). From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Shreeve & TD 10/4/80 Tapes Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...> I have 'Thoughts of War' on vinyl and the early '80's cassettes if anybody wants to hear them let me know off the list. I also have a tape of the 10th April 1980 TD show at the London Apollo, the quality is low but the music can be heard. If there is any interest again mail me. I will be away for a couple of days, so don't worry if I don't answer straight away. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3858 Re: Shreeve & TD 10/4/80 Tapes Paul Nagle Wed 5/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 8:28 am Subject: Re: TD Does Computer Games? Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: stephan bischoff > > A few months ago I had a demo from this game, consisting of 3 or 4 locations. > I also read about the td music and gave it a try. > What I remember was a really stupid gameplay combined with some short loops > from FSOL's 'Lifeforms' and Mozart. The reason there were loops playing is probably to cut down on file size for distribution. I'd imagine that the full game will include full-bandwidth red-book CD audio. This is the easiest way to make great sounding (though non-interactive) game music on a PC. This could really raise TD's profile amongst the 18-30 age group. Look what Wipeout 2097 did for Fluke (Atom Bomb) and FSOL (We Have Explosive) in the public's eye. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 8:49 am Subject: TD vs Spice Girls Really-From: ashok prema Wow - this has put the cat amongst the pigeons! Look - I merely picked upon Spice Girls as a band who have hit the right formulae for success - including looking appealing (to some of us anyway) in a way the Edgar and co never could! I merely chose them because of late I have been bombarded mornings and evenings with 'So tell me what want, what you really, really want' courtesy of my 6 year old daughter!. Maybe that says it all - but I have to quickly add that one of her other favourite tunes is 'Beach Theme' from 'Thief' so she does have some good taste! Whatever our own little idiosyncrasis' the fact remains that its selling albums in volume which pays the bills and allows experimentation in other - perhaps non-commercial- directions. I don't think TD changed style purely to become commercial in an aim to sell records - but that it was a natural progression within their own musical development - but nevertheless, I'm certain they would have been hoping that the new albums would become big sellers - musicians are egotistical and like their stuff to be appreciated - who likes being slagged off Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 8:51 am Subject: Re: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > >Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > > >The Space Girls may sell millions, but in 2 or 3 years they will be fully > >forgotten. Think of the 'New Kids on the Block' craze of 5 years ago, > >who remembers them now? The Space Girls....now there's a thought. Could you imagine five tripped-out hippy chicks sitting cross-legged playing modular synths and Mellotrons ? > You really hit the nail on the head. TD's music > will live on because it has musical value, while > disgustingly popular groups such as the Spice Girls > just have gimmicks. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I > think I remember hearing that the Spice Girls were > just stuck together by some other party; they're not > a true 'band', just a money-making scheme. Neither were the Monkees, but I still LOVE 'their' music. It doesn't bother me that the songs were written for a manufactured group by well-known songwriters. The final result sounded wonderful. Some of these 'craze' groups do leave a lasting mark on the music scene. I for one (and I'm not joking) think that 'Back for Good' by Take That was the best song of 1995. It was written by band member Gary Barlow. > The problem with these musical fads is that > they lack in what should be the most important > area: music. People listen to them because they > have star-quality and popularity. That's a bit of a sweeping generalisation. > Although the > golden days of TD may be over, they are still > producing quality music, which is more than I > can say of many current music groups. Well that's debatable (the fact that TD are currently producing quality music, that is). > It seems that for a group to be popular they have to sell > out, at least to some extent, by sacrificing music for > popularity. Like the Beatles did ? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge Spice Girls fan, hell I'm not even a small Spice Girls fan, but if people want to spend millions of pounds on their merchandise then the best of British luck to them. I'm sure they'll be able to cope with obscurity with an 8 figure bank account. Maybe they'll be able to indulge in creating their favourite kind of music, rather that pop (a '90s rework of Zeit, perhaps ?). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 8:55 am Subject: Re: OFF: Shreeve's Redshift and The Nightcrawlers Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) >Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > >Shreeve's cassette releases were called 'Embryo' and 'Ursa Major'. > >regards, > >Dano Plus at least two others - Phantom and Fire(storm)? I haven't listened to the latter for a while. What is more incredible is that all his material up to Thoughts of War was done with one string machine, one duophonic synth, and with left-right tape delay! The early stuff (ToW and before) is all similar in style, much more laid back than Assassin and later..., with usually longish tracks (15+ minutes). I wonder if Mr. Shreeve could be persuaded to release un-Tangentized versions on CD? Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 10:09 am Subject: Taping, Dolby-C, & Recording Levels Really-From: Klaus Beschorner Adding to Scott's very true replies : not everybody has Dolby C, let alone two decks to copy it - and tapes are there for two reasons : listen to them, and trade them for new tapes. most important : the source material. We're talking live tapes here, right ? Unless you spend at least as much on the mic as on the recorder, your noise level will be determined by the mic. Levels : try out this : record some white noise (FM inter-station hiss) on your deck at 0 dB. Play it back on some friend's decks and discover how much care the nipponese take in calibrating these devices ;-) -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 10:36 am Subject: Re: OFF: Shreeve's Redshift and The Nightcrawlers Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) > > Plus at least two others - Phantom and Fire(storm)? I haven't listened > to the latter for a while. What is more incredible is that all his material > up to Thoughts of War was done with one string machine, one duophonic synth, > and with left-right tape delay! Ahhhhh ! I was trying to remember who that was that I saw in Electronics and Music Maker all those years ago. I seem to recall that he used a Yamaha CS70 (the duophonic synth with analogue sequencer) and a simple string machine (like you said) and used the sound-on-sound facilities of a two-track revox to get that patent Jean Michel Jarre 'fake stereo' spread. > The early stuff (ToW and before) is all > similar in style, much more laid back than Assassin and later..., with usually > longish tracks (15+ minutes). I wonder if Mr. Shreeve could be persuaded to > release un-Tangentized versions on CD? I'm sure if enough people are interested, he would. Ash, could you ask him ? I do also recall that Mark wasn't too keen on having people hear the old stuff (skeletons in the closet ?). Can't wait to hear Redshift, though. :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3891 Re: OFF: Shreeve's Redshift and The Nightcrawlers Mike Livsey Thu 5/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Re: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream Really-From: Michal Balcerzak In my opinion the difference between TD and the popular groups is that TD is makig music. That's all. regards Michal From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 4:35 pm Subject: Re: Shreeve & TD 10/4/80 Tapes Really-From: Paul Nagle >I have 'Thoughts of War' on vinyl and the early '80's cassettes if anybody wants I had TOW (until I sold it to Ash!) and I really don't think it even hints at how good Mark was to become. Historical interest only methinks.... 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 13/05/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 1:33 pm Subject: Franke's Bridge to Eternity? Really-From: Jim Moore Is this a new album, or is it an existing album released under a new name? If we're not supposed to eat animals, how come they're made of meat? jimbo@v... --- Jim Moore -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA -----------------> http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo <-------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3872 Re: Franke's Bridge to Eternity? Rainer Rutka Wed 5/14/1997 3 KB 3882 Re: Franke's Bridge to Eternity? stephan bischoff Wed 5/14/1997 3 KB 3898 Re: Franke's Bridge to Eternity? Salmij{rvi Janne Thu 5/15/1997 3 KB 3929 Re: Franke's Bridge to Eternity? Greg Heil Fri 5/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 1:56 pm Subject: Re: elminators? Really-From: Michael A Jean Did anyone ever see this mid-80s made for sci-fi TV movie? It has never been referred to in any TD discography, but I would swear that the opening five minutes of music was by TD (or a very TD-like clone)...It sounded like the opening of the park is mine combined with thief ...the rest of the movie had completely different music by some unknown composer...This was in the days before I had a VCR so I scrambled around to hook a tape deck up the the TV but only managed to get about 15 seconds of it on tape...It wasn't THE ELMINATOR, or the ANIHILATORS, but the ELiminators... Never saw it on TV again...ANy thoughts? MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3870 Re: elminators? TangerineC@a... Wed 5/14/1997 2 KB 3873 Re: elminators? Plumer, Scott Wed 5/14/1997 2 KB 3878 Re: elminators? TangerineC@a... Wed 5/14/1997 2 KB 3904 Re: elminators? Plumer, Scott Thu 5/15/1997 2 KB 3914 Re: elminators? Rakinik Intertype Thu 5/15/1997 3 KB 3922 Re: elminators? TangerineC@a... Thu 5/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 2:06 pm Subject: Kiev Mission - A Real Story Part 1 Really-From: Vic Rek I'd like to relay a short story to you about this thread about 'Exit' track titles. I found it very interesting and yesterday (May 13) came out to be a day of strange conicidences. In the morning I just finished completing my visa application for a trip to Kiev (or Kyiv in Ukrainian these days) when this discussion of 'Kiev Mission' came up. All of a sudden my trip (planned in July) seemed to become more adventerous to me. What will I do there? Why am I going there? Exit music in my head... Well, these are questions I'll answer when I get back. But one thing for sure, I'm not going there to look for those infamous Russian flexis on the Budokon label - I think they are pressed in Germany anyway... And the second event that day was when I received a package with a couple of re-mastered TD CDs and 'The Best of TD' on 2LPs. I went home at lunch to pick up 'Exit' to listen to at work, and I get the re-mastered 'Exit' in the mail the same day! I completely forgot that I ever placed this order! I just all seemed strange to me, so I'll let you know about the trip (I'll get some TD content in) when I get back. But for know, it would be nice if someone could summarize (FAQ - Hermes?) this 'Exit' thread. So now I'll make my 'EXIT'.... Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 1:59 pm Subject: Re DM VIDEO Really-From: Michael A Jean The Dream MIxes Video hasn't shown up in the States yet... Will someone who does own it let me know if it contains that footage used in London, or something completely different? MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 1:57 pm Subject: Re: rare item of the week Really-From: Michael A Jean Any interested in the Vinyl Picture Disc of FLASHPOINT should contact me off list with a reasonable offer... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 2:57 pm Subject: Oasis release dates Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Anyone know the official release dates for the Oasis video and ST? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3883 Re: Oasis release dates stephan bischoff Wed 5/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 1:11 pm Subject: Re: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Michal Balcerzak > > In my opinion the difference between TD and the popular groups is that TD > is makig music. That's all. Well, there's a nice, balanced, considered opinion to muse over during the long day ahead. Popular groups don't make music. Killer thought, Michal. Keep 'em coming. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 4:44 pm Subject: blah, blah Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' I would like to thank the people who visited my home-page and the ones that emailed me privately. A lot of you asked me where they could buy my CD and what the price is. It's available only from me and it cost (incl. post/airmail): fl 35,- (about US$ 19,-). I should have said it in my page (it's in now), sorry. Hope I helped some of you. PS: Jens, Hilmar, they are sent. Marcel webpage :http:/www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm email :fsp@p... Thanks to language, people are the biggest liars. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 4:28 pm Subject: Fwd: DRUDGE REPORT BREAK 5/14/97 06:04 UTC Really-From: Fordat1@a... --------------------- Forwarded message: From: drudge@l... (DRUDGE REPORT) Reply-to: drudge@l... To: drudge@l... (DRUDGE REPORT), DRUDGE@l... (DRUDGE REPORT) Date: 97-05-14 05:37:22 EDT XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT BREAK 5/14/97 06:04 UTC THE HUFFINGTONS He's making movies; she's 'Queen of the GOP' When your tire of politics, try showbiz. Or is it the other way around? Hard to tell in the current scene. Hard to tell, if your last name is Huffington. No couple works at blurring the mediums better than Michael and Arianna -- they're becoming the stuff of legend. This week we find Michael Huffington holed up at the Hotel du Cap at the Cannes Film Festival. Now official launching a film producing career -- after a run for the U.S. Senate a few years back came up a few votes short -- he's working a project titled DOLPHIN DREAMS. The film is being described as an underwater RAIDERS OF THE LAST ARK -- heavy on the effects. But even though he's got the bucks, he's no Mario Kassar. Huffington has come to the South of France with little to no hype. In fact, he's keeping such a low profile at the festival, he even declined an interview with hungry DAILY VARIETY. [One lesson learned from the campaign days: press junkets can hurt more than help.] He tells Cannes-trapped reporter Adam Dawtrey, he'd rather keep his head down until the production career is fully up and running. Meanwhile, the countdown has begun: 30 days until wife Arianna Huffington picks up and leaves Washington and takes it all back to the Coast. One editor at a national weekly magazine lovingly refers to her as 'Arianna.' A close friend has nicknamed her 'Queen of the GOP.' Huffington is going back to California to raise the kids and have a family life with now-producer Michael. She'll leave them wearing black. 'I already miss her policy wonk brunches,' e-mails a fan. In just a few short years, Arianna has energized and glamorized a scene not previously thought of as fun and sexy and spiritual. Arianna Huffington found her star in Washington. Her syndicated column has become a hip conservative trip; her appearances on the endless cable shows have literally created a cottage industry of GOP women media talkers, now not afraid. She broke new ground, combining serious topics with humorous pop culture intelligence -- saving it all for the closeup. But the miss-you-already parties that will be popping up in honor of Arianna over the next few weeks in D.C. aren't the full story, some are glad to see her rein in Washington ending. 'I think Arianna Huffington does more to harm the GOP than anything else,' says one popular talk radio host. 'She should stay focused on her career in the wonderful world of COMEDY CENTRAL... live happily ever after in Hollywood.' Meany. And on Monday, SIMON & SCHUSTER bought the rights to writer Tom Lowe's book SPIN. Lowe has written a naughty tell-all about his days in California politics. Some of it -- fictionalized Huffington politics. SPIN paints the rise and fall of a hot-shot young political aide in the Huffington Senate campaign of '94. It's tightly turned and destined for action. Lowe, 25, is spending the Summer in the Caribbean working on the screenplay to the novel. When your tire of politics, try showbiz. Or is it the other way around? ____________________ Filed by Matt Drudge 5/14/97 06:04 UTC The REPORT is issued when circumstances warrant. All comments: drudge@l... http://www.drudgereport.com P.O. BOX 1171, Hollywood, CA 90028 (c)DRUDGE REPORT 1997 Not for reproduction without permission of the author From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 5:17 pm Subject: Re: Re DM VIDEO/Laserdisc Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > The Dream MIxes Video hasn't shown up in the States yet... > > Will someone who does own it let me know if it contains that footage used > in London, or something completely different? > > MJ Well, I got my laser disc yesterday...but haven't really watched it yet. I kinda flashed through it a bit and it seemed to reflect the same thing that went on in Three Phase...except there is a twist. Jerome, Edgar and Linda are in it quite a bit. Didn't see any kaleidoscope crap, heh. I'll give a better review after I've actually sat through the whole thing. Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 5:42 pm Subject: Re: Taping, Dolby-C, & Recording Levels Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Klaus Beschorner > ... > Levels : try out this : record some white noise (FM inter-station hiss) > on your deck at 0 dB. Play it back on some friend's decks and > discover how much care the nipponese take in calibrating these > devices ;-) Ah Klaus, always nice. And with ideas for experiments. Cool. I shall do some experiments with cheap stuff and $xpensive gear, with D and without D, recording white noise, and looking at the results with a scope during playback. I shall report the results back to the list. Cheers all -- Mark (off to the lab) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 6:46 pm Subject: Re: elminators? Really-From: TangerineC@a... Well, there is a mid 80's movie called Eliminators. It is a Charles Band movie starring Denise Crosby. If i'm not mistaken the opening theme is by Richard Band, who at that time, used electronic instruments to make music. It sounded heavily influenced by TD. It was available on Video tape.An older mom and pop video store should have it. Hope this helps. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 11:41 am Subject: Re: Jan Hammer and Synergy Really-From: 'Obispo' Morgan you wrote: > I very much like the music done on The Mind's Eye and Beyond the Mind's Eye. > Which now that I think about it is Jan Hammer. Jan's first solo album 'The First Seven Days' is an excellent electronic album worth searching out. Mostly all long instrumental cuts about creation. There is a little blurb on the bottom of the liner notes that says 'For those concerned: There is no guitar on this album.' A similar comment appeared on all Larry 'Synergy' Fast LPs. The first and second Synergy albums are extremely worthwhile electronic albums for your listening pleasure (which, BTW, have been recently re-released on CD). Got to the following URL for more info: http://www.eclipse.net/~synergy/index.html Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 2:16 pm Subject: Re: Franke's Bridge to Eternity? Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Wed, 14 May 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Jim Moore > Is this a new album, or is it an existing album released under > a new name? Not at all ! It is a single from the Perry Rhodan - CD Chris made ! Today I got it as a CD-Shape ! Looks nice ! Mit den besten Gruessen vom Bodensee ! Rainer Rutka --------------------------------------------------------------------- K+R Informationssysteme Konstanz E-Mail : rainer@k... Klimas und Rutka GbR CIS : 100065,2273 Griesseggstrasse 27 D Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 D-78462 Konstanz Fax : +49 (0)7531 29879 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'Zentrum fuer objektorientierte Softwareentwicklung und -design' Spezialisten fuer : SMALLTALK, UNIX und Windows/NT - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 7:14 pm Subject: Re: elminators? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Well, there is a mid 80's movie called Eliminators. It is a Charles Band >movie starring Denise Crosby. If i'm not mistaken the opening theme is by >Richard Band, who at that time, used electronic instruments to make music. It >sounded heavily influenced by TD. It was available on Video tape.An older mom >and pop video store should have it. Hope this helps. Ah, the Band brothers. They're actually the same guy. Charles goes by Richard when he does music for his movies. Don't ask me why. He did a lot of cheapo action pics in the '80s, all the Charles/Richard combo. Maybe its a tax thing. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59 am Subject: CD's for sale Really-From: mythos@e... Following CD's for sale, one copy of each. Make me an offer : ) Tangerine Dream: Coefficient Of Aural Expansion (London 75) Coefficient Of Aural Expansion Part 2 (CDR) Ratikon (Melbourne 82) 20th Century Serenades (Berlin 87) Antarktis (Berlin 87 Part 2/Bristol 90) Michael Hoenig: Xcept One Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3877 Re: CD's for sale Jens Peschke Wed 5/14/1997 2 KB 3896 Re: CD's for sale Rainer Rutka Thu 5/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 7:55 pm Subject: Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Really-From: Mark Filipak _______ > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > > > > > I am s-o-o-o-o-o weak! ... > > > > (Paging Dr. Lars .... Paging Dr. Lars .... Emergency! Dr. Lars!) > > > > Hey, wait! Don't you already have 'Phaedra,' 'Rubycon,' and > > 'Stratosfear?' > > Of course I do....but it was you guys... you guys....you guys... who > turned me into an anal completist freak. > > Your fault. All your fault. I had nothing to do with it. ________ Yes kids, beware!! This could be you. It starts at a party. You try just a little TD music. Before you know it, you're hooked and living down in the ghetto in a cardboard box, shooting up, with a boom box stuck to the side of your head. Stop now before it's too late. Quit this list and clean yourself up. It's too late for Andrew, but it's not too late for you. A public health message from STOP-EDGAR (Society To OPpose and End Dependence on Great Audio Recordings) ... In whimsy lies the salvation of the world. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3905 Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Plumer, Scott Thu 5/15/1997 2 KB 3928 Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 5/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 8:36 pm Subject: Re: OFF: Shreeve's Redshift and The Nightcrawlers Really-From: 'Simon W. Hood' In article , tadream mailing list writes >Really-From: Craig Shipley > >This is probably been answered already, but... > >No, Redshift is unique in the (currently available) Mark Shreeve catalog. >Most of Shreeves' material is high power 'rocket-fueled' synth rock (ALA >T-Bass, another 'don't miss' release! OK, Dave, where's me $20.00???!!! ;-) >). There was an old Shreeve LP titled 'Thoughts Of War' that sounds close >to 'Redshift', but good luck on finding a copy of that! (And 'ToW' has >never been released on CD, dad-gummit!). There were a number of tapes that >Shreeve released WAAAYYYY back in the early '80's, never heard 'em, so >can't comment on 'em. Again, these would be nice to have on CD, too...) > 'Thoughts of War' was released on the (Swedish, I think) Uniton record label, way back when. I have it lurking somewhere in my collection, so I'll dig it out and compare it with 'Redshift' which I'm hoping to acquire soon... -- Simon W. Hood From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 8:22 pm Subject: Re: CD's for sale Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: mythos@e... > > > Following CD's for sale, one copy of each. > Make me an offer : ) > > > > Tangerine Dream: > > Antarktis (Berlin 87 Part 2/Bristol 90) 25$ excl. shipping/airmail Jens Peschke From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 8:35 pm Subject: Re: elminators? Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-14 15:20:11 EDT, you write: >Ah, the Band brothers. They're actually the same guy. Charles goes by >Richard when he does music for his movies. Don't ask me why. He did a >lot of cheapo action pics in the '80s, all the Charles/Richard combo. >Maybe its a tax thing. No. Actually Richard is Charles' brother. I've seen them both together. Unless I was drunk and seeing double. :) And they were cheapo movies, but in a good way. :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 8:58 pm Subject: Re: Omimous Themes in EXIT track titles(?) Really-From: 'Simon W. Hood' In article , tadream mailing list writes >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > 'Pilots of the Purple Twilight' could refer to the 1960's OUTER >LIMITS episode 'Keepers of the Purple Twilight,' which featured a >main character who was a logic-driven alien who didn't understand >emotion(s): a precursor to STAR TREK's Mr. Spock. A friend of mine (also a TD fan) discovered where 'Pilots of Purple Twilight' originally came from in a book of quotations. It's part of a line from a poem by one of the great English poets like Milton, Coleridge, Keats or Tennyson (I can't remember which poet or the name of the poem). -- Simon W. Hood From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 9:56 pm Subject: New kids... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' >The Space Girls may sell millions, but in 2 or 3 years they will be fully >forgotten. Think of the 'New Kids on the Block' craze of 5 years ago, >who remembers them now? Vincent, Ash used to be one of the new kids on the block, didn'tya know? ooopsss....hi Ash, :) (go easy with me, boy.... ) Signed Anon... T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 9:56 pm Subject: Oh! Complete Tosh, Matey! Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi All, >ashok prema recently burbled on about ... >GENERALLY requires a good tune! And OK - so we 400 or so people may prefer >to listen to TD than Spice Girls - but their are millions out there who >don't seem to want to - and without bringing elistism and taste into it - >Spice Girls are obviously doing something right which TD have failed to do. Oh! Ash. What a load of horse hockey. The Spice Girls wear short skirts, flash their wobbly bits and grab Prince Charles' bottom in front of hoards of newspaper photographers. They use sex to sell records and target miilions of impressionable pre-teen girls with a rather tacky image machine. Can you honestly see Edgar doing that? No. The Spice Girls are a product put together using a well thought out plan by a carefully briefed marketing team. If Edgar and Jerome put half a dozen half naked belly dancers on for one of their encores and had them bounce up and down on the spot to a Tangentized version of a Smurf's Song then TD's addentances would still rocket. The likes of you and I wouldn't be able to get into the damned theatre! Remember, it's art but is it our kind of art? >The fact is - wouldn't we all like to see TD selling millions of albums?? - >and do sell-out tours of football stadiums?? Spice Girls do that whereas >TD are reduced to selling a paltry 400 tickets in Amsterdam - ironic when >the KLEM festival in Holland regularly fetches more than 1100 paying guests! Yep. I would love to see TD putting on a mega concert a la Jean Michel Jarre but what would the real cost be? TD do art...Spice Girls just do... Mmm...takes a deep breath and waits for the flames... Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3894 Re: Oh! Complete Tosh, Matey! Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 5/15/1997 5 KB 3906 Re: Oh! Complete Tosh, Matey! Plumer, Scott Thu 5/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 10:11 pm Subject: Re: Franke's Bridge to Eternity? Really-From: stephan bischoff At 09:33 14.05.97 -0400, you Jim Moore wrote: >Is this a new album, or is it an existing album released under >a new name? This special shaped CD single contains edited versions of the two vocal tracks from 'Perry Rohdan - Pax Terra'. Quote from Sonic Images (Chris') Homepage: 'This promotion CD for Chrisopher Franke's album 'PERRY RHODAN, PAX TERRA' with a remix of the 'Bridge To Eternity' song is not available is stores. A true Christopher Franke collectors item.' Kind regards, Stephan _____ __________________________________________________________ / || \ |E-mail|| Stephan.Bischoff@H... | \_____||____________________________________________________ | / || | | Home ||http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/index.html | \_____||__________________________________________________________/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 10:13 pm Subject: Re: Oasis release dates Really-From: stephan bischoff At 10:57 14.05.97 -0400, 'Plumer, Scott' wrote: >Anyone know the official release dates for the Oasis video and ST? I got my video from Voiceprint last week. Stephan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 10:21 pm Subject: Re: TD Does Computer Games? Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > This could really raise TD's profile amongst the 18-30 age group. > Look what Wipeout 2097 did for Fluke (Atom Bomb) and FSOL (We Have > Explosive) in the public's eye. Well... games are games, and all that really matters is if the game is fun. I know how the tease goes though.. work your way long and hard through a dull game to hear your music.. and sometimes the music can be the point where the game will survive. If Psygnosis markets this game through the console markets, then just maybe so.. but I wouldn't hold my breath. Wouldn't it be cool if through this type of deal.. that TD music that can't be released on CD will find it's way into other things like this? Is it possible? The Keep tracks.. on a computer game.. what a thought :) I guess what I'm saying is.. somebody is going to have to get this thing and see what contributions TD has made to this. I do know Edgar and gang swore (Questions and Answers on Homepage) not to get into the gaming industry.. but their example of repetative kiddy gameplay is no long valid in today's age of almost cinematic quality computer games. I'll look into this :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 13, 1997 9:08 pm Subject: Re: More Soundtracks? Really-From: 'Simon W. Hood' In article , tadream mailing list writes > >Funnily enough, I thought of that one, but when I tried to find some info >about it, I couldn't find it in 'Halliwell's Film Guide 11th Edition'. It >has Jacqueline Bisset and Jurgen Prochnow in it. I have seen it once, but >have been unable to locate the video in shops. > It's been on TV in the UK at least a couple of times. I managed to videotape it the last time it was on, sometime during the early 90's. The film was made by Home Box Office (HBO) for cable TV, and was available (in the UK) on videocassette around the mid-80's. The music, whilst not exceptional, is very pleasant and atmospheric, with sounds typical of the 1982-83 era of TD. -- Simon W. Hood From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 6:46 pm Subject: re:Dolby/recording levels... Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... Dreamers first impression Dolby B--sux Dolby C--blowz the trouble with Dolby is not so much one level, it's the compounding of Dolby that gets out of hand--most tape decks only let you de-encode one level on playback and if your lucky you can turn down the treble on your tone 'control' or what have you, but when you trade tapes you have no idea how many times Dolby B or C has been added/taken away/whatever. As far as recording levels are concerned--some tape decks can't handle all that heat--so if you trade tapes--your no headroom tapes sound really primo on your homedeck, but on the next guy's deck, car, home walkman or whatever it distorts. Some tape deck manufacturers give lousy head. Another problem with different decks is that some can't handle different tape formulations. How many times have you put a tape into a friend's car deck for example only to watch your prized possession--a copy of Ultima Thule perhaps--get eaten cause his tape deck can't handle Hi-Bias or BASF CrO2 or whatever? Well, OK once I guess, but you get the picture. Another taping dilemma--Do you make tape-to-tape tapes after you set the BIAS switch to HI for example on the source tape or do you leave that off, too? So, if you do a lot of tape trades--you'll learn to leave Dolby OFF. And I believe the preferred cassette tape of Deadheads everywhere is Maxell XLII. Not really sure why, but they manage to agree on the band, so there must be some agreement on the tapes, too--like, you can't have too many Jerry shows, man. Did you get yer copy of Jerry in '85 at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz?--that acoustic version of Birdsong is killer. --teiwaz Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3907 Re: Dolby/recording levels... Plumer, Scott Thu 5/15/1997 2 KB 3920 Re: Dolby/recording levels... TWeibre361@a... Thu 5/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 8:37 pm Subject: Rock Opera Really-From: Michael Fox >Grant. ;-) > > Cough, cough.... > > Chingle chingle-a chingle > >Ever since I was a young boy >I've played a keyboard wall >>From Berlin down to Munich >I musta played 'em all >But I ain't seen nothin like him >In any concert hall >That deaf, dumb and blind kid >SURE PLAYS A MEAN E-BALL !!! Grant, you a funny, funny man! Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 8:41 pm Subject: Jan Hammer Really-From: Michael Fox >I very much like the music done on The Mind's Eye and Beyond the Mind's Eye. >Which now that I think about it is Jan Hammer. > Actually, the only one done by Hammer is Beyond.. I have a copy and it's quite good, I think. The first one is pretty weak, musically. Dolby, likewise. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 8:47 pm Subject: Monkees??? Really-From: Michael Fox Grant M. wrote: >Neither were the Monkees, but I still LOVE 'their' music. Monkees out with new release.(I forget the title). Music/words by ONLY Nesmith/Dolens(sp?)/Tork/Jones. It's pretty good, really. A nice batch of tunes by guys who had nothing to prove--. It'll never be on radio, but if you see a cheap copy, give it a whirl. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 8:53 pm Subject: dolby c, etc. Really-From: Michael Fox Klaus wrote: >not everybody has Dolby C, let alone two decks to copy it - and >tapes are there for two reasons : listen to them, and trade them >for new tapes. > The true caveat here. Try 'B' or none. Otherwise a lot of good info here. I have one of the original Yamaha cs decks and it has needle and led lites--green for 0 db and red for +3 db. After almost 20 yrs this sucker turns out some of the hottest tapes--ie: maxes out a lot of meters, with no distortion. Remember that old wedge shape job? That's it. Cheers, Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 9:39 am Subject: Re: OFF: Shreeve's Redshift and The Nightcrawlers Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Wed, 14 May 1997 11:36:11 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > >> Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) >> >Ahhhhh ! I was trying to remember who that was that I saw in Electronics >and Music Maker all those years ago. I seem to recall that he used a >Yamaha CS70 (the duophonic synth with analogue sequencer) and a simple >string machine (like you said) and used the sound-on-sound facilities >of a two-track revox to get that patent Jean Michel Jarre 'fake stereo' >spread. > From the back cover of the album: 'equipment: yamaha cs30 synthesizer, hohner k4 string machine, eko 12 string guitar, coat hanger, phaser, flanger, tape-looped voices, revox a 77 tape echo' I'm still trying to figure out where the coat hanger's used... Regards. -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 14, 1997 9:58 pm Subject: (none) Really-From: Michael Fox er---with little fanfare I offer my website at:www.iquest.net/~mfox/ Paul, Dave, want inclusion? Others? Mike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13014 (none) Lars R. Jones Thu 4/16/1998 2 KB 13015 (none) Lars R. Jones Thu 4/16/1998 2 KB 13016 What list is this, exactly? Sean Montgomery Thu 4/16/1998 3 KB 13019 Re: (none) Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 4/16/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 3:07 am Subject: Re: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream Really-From: BSphar@a... On 5/14/97 you wrote: >>It seems that for a group to be popular they have to sell out, at least to some >>extent, by sacrificing music for popularity. >Like the Beatles did? And I could not let this one go by. Since when did the Beatles sacrifice their music for popularity? You do know that they quit touring to concentrate on their music, don't you. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 12:36 am Subject: Re: Oh! Complete Tosh, Matey! Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 10:56 PM 5/14/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > >Hi All, > >>ashok prema recently burbled on about ... > >>GENERALLY requires a good tune! And OK - so we 400 or so people may prefer >>to listen to TD than Spice Girls - but their are millions out there who >>don't seem to want to - and without bringing elistism and taste into it - >>Spice Girls are obviously doing something right which TD have failed to do. > >Oh! Ash. What a load of horse hockey. The Spice Girls wear short skirts, >flash their wobbly bits and grab Prince Charles' bottom in front of hoards >of newspaper photographers. They use sex to sell records and target >miilions of impressionable pre-teen girls with a rather tacky image >machine. Can you honestly see Edgar doing that? No. [.....] > >Remember, it's art but is it our kind of art? [.... sorry, David, saving bandwidth for the poor students.....] I feel tempted to get into a discussion regarding who listens to TD, David Hughes, John Christian, Ash Prema, Paul Nagle, Jeff Bergman, David Brewer, Andy Pickford, JM Jarre, etc. and who listens to 'Spice Girls.' But I won't, lest I insult the majority of this Earth's population. But I do remember, here maybe, don't remember where, a couple of years ago, somebody discussing the many ways of listening to music. The point being, may have been the difference between men and women and why women don't like TD, that one can listen to music frontally, cerebrally, submerged in it, emotionally. I remember it because it made sense. E-music, the kind that the readership here is prone to like, envelopes you. It transports you. It creates moods, and your moods alter your perceptions of the music itself. It's complex. It can be wallpaper sometimes (as somebody already mentioned it) or hit you like a bomb. It's not only art to us, but a way of being. We happen to vibrate at a frequency that it's syntonic with this type of music. Our ego likes it. You can analyze all you want, but it comes down to feelings. We like it. I have no idea why teen-boppers went bonkers over early Beatles. I didn't. But later Beatles were fantastic. But I know that the first time I heard Pink Floyd (1971) and then, later TD (1975) I KNEW I was 'home.' Comparing Spice Girls to TD (any dimension) is like comparing a communist era block-house from Vladivostok to the Versailles Palace. Or a McDonald's hamburger to a Filet Mignon. Or, in the USA, Ripple ( a cheap wine) to a Lafitte-Rothschild or a Trockenbeerenauslee. We, here, seem to be choosing quality over quantity. I don't know much about Froese as a person, but what comes out of his soul, like out of many on this list, is something that has nothing to do with success as measured with coins. In my opinion, just typing the words 'Spice Girls' on this list is an anomaly. That doesn't mean that I would not want to have sex with them (all at the same time, or separately), it just means that the noise they are making is not coherent. Like music is. But all this, of course, is just my opinion. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 7:10 am Subject: RUMPELSTILTSKIN, again! Really-From: AslanFan1@a... THIS FLIES IN THE FACE OF CD COLLECTING! Over the past few months, I've been able to locate a couple copies here and there of Tangerine Dream's now out print CD Rumpelstiltksin. I've been buying them up to offer for folks here. Each time, I've been told by the source they can 't get any more, so I ignore them and keep trying places. Unexpectedly, after weeks of looking, I FOUND MORE today! So I bought them. So... if anyone is looking for this CD, please email me asap. I'll be out of town for a week starting Saturday, but I promise to respond before or after asap. I know I said it before, but the damn thing's out of print, so when they're gone, they should be gone. . . I'd be interested in trading for certain items, and of course, selling is always an option. Let me know if anyone cares!!! -Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 7:28 am Subject: Re: CD's for sale Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Wed, 14 May 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: mythos@e... > > > Following CD's for sale, one copy of each. > Make me an offer : ) > > > > Tangerine Dream: > > Coefficient Of Aural Expansion (London 75) $ 50,- > Coefficient Of Aural Expansion Part 2 (CDR) $ 50,- Cash in a letter. Inclusive postal. rainer@i... Rainer Rutka --------------------------------------------------------------------- K+R Informationssysteme Konstanz E-Mail : rainer@k... Klimas und Rutka GbR CIS : 100065,2273 Griesseggstrasse 27 D Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 D-78462 Konstanz Fax : +49 (0)7531 29879 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 8:33 am Subject: Re: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: BSphar@a... > > On 5/14/97 you wrote: > > >>It seems that for a group to be popular they have to sell out, at least to > some >>extent, by sacrificing music for popularity. > > >Like the Beatles did? > > And I could not let this one go by. Since when did the Beatles sacrifice > their music for popularity? You do know that they quit touring to > concentrate on their music, don't you. I was being sarcastic. Basically, the tone of the original post said if you want to be popular, you must compromise your music. So I replied 'Like the Beatles did ?' to pour scorn on the idea. I'm on your side, man. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 8:37 am Subject: Re: Franke's Bridge to Eternity? Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne > Really-From: Rainer Rutka > It is a single from the Perry Rhodan - CD Chris made ! > Today I got it as a CD-Shape ! Looks nice ! Wish it would also play as nice. I got mine couple of weeks ago, won it in the contest at Sonic Images. The second time I took part in their competition and the second time I won. First time it was B5 Vol1 CD. Anyway, the music on the CD is okay I guess, if you can ignore the lyrics. The beginning of the second track is like a non-identical twin of the last track on B5Vol2 CD. Quite similar. The single is quite short. About 10 mins. My CD usually starts skipping around 2 mins into second track. Guess the rotation speed of the CD becomes critical at that point so that the unbalanced CD moves more than the beam can tolerate. Oh well. It doesn't make any weird noises when being played (the disc) so it is relatively safe to play. I was ready to hit the eject button the first time I played it, in case it would've started creating havoc inside the player. -jhsa -- Stupid user error. Terminate user (Y/n) ? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 3:28 pm Subject: Quality and Quantity Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Thu, 15 May 1997 00:36:53 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > >We, here, seem to be choosing quality over quantity. I don't know >much about Froese as a person, but what comes out of his >soul, like out of many on this list, is something that has >nothing to do with success as measured with coins. This is arguable. You are right about 'quantity' in the sense of presence in the popular music happening, but certainly not about the quantity of musical output. It is exactly the sheer quantity of unreleased, not officially released, half-released and released-only-in-Samoa material that makes being a TD collector so frustrating. With the Spice Girls, conversely, you have an album and you have it all. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3900 Re: Quality and Quantity Paul Nagle Thu 5/15/1997 2 KB 3927 Re: Quality and Quantity Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 5/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 7:14 pm Subject: Re: Quality and Quantity Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >the popular music happening, but certainly not about the quantity of musical >output. It is exactly the sheer quantity of unreleased, not officially released, Apparently Chopin, on his death bed, insisted that some of his recent unreleased works be destroyed because they were inferior and wouldn't add to his reputation. I couldn't see Edgar adopting this philosophy somehow.... 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 13/05/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 1:44 pm Subject: Thanks Really-From: Michael A Jean Thanks to all who helped clear up the mystery about the Eliminators! RE: OASIS...The video has been available in the US since January...The CD is only available on the current tour (so far)...(How do you spell that anyway?) FORBIDDEN: Wasn't a great flick, but the music was nice...I seem to recall an unusual (for TD) kind of trumpet/flugelhorn sound. Kind of like Mark ISham... MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5039 Thanks Tom Duncan Mon 6/16/1997 2 KB 5057 Re: Thanks Mark Filipak Mon 6/16/1997 3 KB 9490 Thanks Lawrysimm Thu 12/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 1:56 pm Subject: Spice Girls! Really-From: ashok prema Well, well, well! So it appears that no-one has yet come out in favour of the Spice Girls. Not suprisingly! Dave (Hughes) put forward a feeble and elitist argument that they are manufactured and don't play real music. I think they said the same about the John Lennon and Paul McCartney originally - they can play a good tune - but who'll remember them in 5 years time??! Vincent G asked ' who remembers New Kids on the Block? - well he does, and we all do - they were a HUGE success and I would venture to add that if we investigated further, they are probably still producing music either individualy or as a band - just because they are no longer in the limelight DOESN'T mean they are no longer around. Bands come and go - but usually if they are no longer around it's because they have moved on to something different. TD has had numerous changes of personnel - so really, in many respects Tangerine Dream is not really Tangerine Dream any longer - except that Edgar has chosen to stick with the name. When Chris left, Edgar was in two minds as to whether to continue with the name or create another - had he done the latter, the musical output would be the same as it has been under the TD banner. Many peple when they hear the name TD think 'Gawd - are they STILL around' - We may think TD is up there with the best of them, sadly, the music world seems to think otherwise - to the point that TD are reduced to putting out their release on their own label! They are a spent force in the minds of the major record labels which is why they can't get a decent record deal. WhenThe Beatles, Rolling Stones, Sex Pistols etc came, - everyone thought they were a passing fad - but they now hold a place in music history which is rather more prominent than the contribution of TD. I think TD is one of the greatest bands ever - but the reality is that they are hardly rated by the rest of the music world - Spice Girls may come and go - but I suspect 20 years from now - if they did a 'comeback tour' they'll be playing slightly larger venues than TD are now reduced to doing! Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3908 Re: Spice Girls! Vincent Goudreault Thu 5/15/1997 4 KB 3919 Re: Spice Girls! TangerineC@a... Thu 5/15/1997 2 KB 3938 Re: Spice Girls! Mark Filipak Fri 5/16/1997 2 KB 3946 Re: Spice Girls! TangerineC@a... Fri 5/16/1997 2 KB 3948 Re: Spice Girls! Francisco Salgado C. Fri 5/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 2:49 pm Subject: moe Spice! Really-From: ashok prema And another thing, Dave, if in their wisdom, Sony approached you saying ' Ahh! Mr Hughes - you music is super sophisticated - indeed to much so for our market - however, we're willing to give you a 5 year contract worth £250,000 if you agree to make commercial pap for us' Hand on heart - would you sign on the dotted line??? Waiting eagerly with tape measure in hand to measure the length of this Pinocchio's nose! Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3909 Re: moe Spice! Plumer, Scott Thu 5/15/1997 2 KB 3912 Re: moe Spice! Grant Middleton Thu 5/15/1997 2 KB 3937 Re: moe Spice! Mark Filipak Fri 5/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 2:58 pm Subject: Re: elminators? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>Ah, the Band brothers. They're actually the same guy. Charles goes by >>Richard when he does music for his movies. Don't ask me why. He did a >>lot of cheapo action pics in the '80s, all the Charles/Richard combo. >>Maybe its a tax thing. >No. Actually Richard is Charles' brother. I've seen them both together. >Unless I was drunk and seeing double. :) And they were cheapo movies, but in >a good way. :) I've always hear they were one and the same, kinda like Lewis Coates/Luigi Cozzi. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 2:57 pm Subject: Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Yes kids, beware!! This could be you. It starts at a party. You try >just a little TD music. Before you know it, you're hooked and living >down in the ghetto in a cardboard box, shooting up, with a boom box >stuck to the side of your head. This is your brain: $$$$$$$$$$$$ This is your brain on TD: $ Any questions? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3928 Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 5/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 3:11 pm Subject: RE: Oh! Complete Tosh, Matey! Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Oh! Ash. What a load of horse hockey. The Spice Girls wear short skirts, >flash their wobbly bits and grab Prince Charles' bottom in front of hoards >of newspaper photographers. They use sex to sell records and target >miilions of impressionable pre-teen girls with a rather tacky image >machine. Can you honestly see Edgar doing that? No. Wait a minute, haven't we seen this somewhere before? Madonna, perhaps? >The Spice Girls are a product put together using a well thought out plan by >a carefully briefed marketing team. If Edgar and Jerome put half a dozen >half naked belly dancers on for one of their encores and had them bounce up That's not a bad idea! :-) Catwalk, wnyone? >Yep. I would love to see TD putting on a mega concert a la Jean Michel >Jarre but what would the real cost be? TD do art...Spice Girls just do... I bet they could, provided it was hyped enough. Europeans don't seem to be as vulnerable to hype as us Yanks, so I think it could work in the US. All they'd have to do is saturate radio and newspapers with ads like 'The biggest concert spectacular in recorded history! Yankee Stadium welcomes worldwide megastars Tangerine Dream!' So many people would hear that and go just because they'd think they were seeing big stars. Funny, that sounds exactly like Pink Floyd's last tour. . . Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 3:34 pm Subject: RE: re:Dolby/recording levels... Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >So, if you do a lot of tape trades--you'll learn to leave Dolby OFF. >And I believe the preferred cassette tape of Deadheads everywhere is >Maxell XLII. Not really sure why, but they manage to agree on the band, >so there must be some agreement on the tapes, too--like, you can't have >too many Jerry shows, man. Did you get yer copy of Jerry in '85 at the >Catalyst in Santa Cruz?--that acoustic version of Birdsong is killer. Speaking as a Deadhead I must protest this unmitigated attack on a community that. . .Just kidding. :-) I don't know why they became the standard, but they're the standard for ALL tape traders. They seem to be available just about everywhere, the quality is consistent, and they have lovely grey shells. Maybe it's the Max Points. . . Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 3:38 pm Subject: Re: Spice Girls! Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On May 15, 2:56pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Spice Girls! > Really-From: ashok prema > > (...) > > Vincent G asked ' who remembers New Kids on the Block? - well he does, > and we all do - they were a HUGE success and I would venture to add that > if we investigated further, they are probably still producing music either > individualy or as a band - just because they are no longer in the > limelight DOESN'T mean they are no longer around. Bands come and go - but (...) Well, Ash, while not wanting to launch a huge argument contest, I feel you nonetheless missed my finer point. The NKOTB may be remembered by some people, but where are all their fans gone? I would assume that most of those who followed them removed their posters from the walls, shoved their CD's in a closet somewhere, and moved on to other things. (By the way, I may remember them, but was never a fan, far from it, actually). The point is that the Spice Girls may be good and talented, but they are essentially a product of fashion, and will have to evolve (like the Beatles did) or will be soon passe. The same pattern was seen again and again: hugely successful artists or bands, appealing to the pre-teen crowd, but falling into oblivion when their target audience matured a bit, only to be replaced by a duplicate act, with a new name, but with essentially the same look, songs, and pre-fabricated un-original approach. Let's just say that the Spice Girls (and the New Kids, and the Backstreet Boys etc.) are to music what McDonalds harburgers are to food. They fill you for now, but there is little chance you will remember fondly that one hamburger you ate 4 years ago over all theo other ones you ate before or since. Meanwhile, bands like Tangerine Dream, Pink Floyd, etc. retain their old fans. I cannot think of the day where I would shove Ricochet into a closet somewhere, never to be listened to anymore, and beleive that most TD fans cannot either. In essence, TD is a classic act. The Spice Girls are 'fast-food-music'. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 3:48 pm Subject: RE: moe Spice! Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >And another thing, Dave, if in their wisdom, Sony approached you saying ' >Ahh! Mr Hughes - you music is super sophisticated - indeed to much so for >our market - however, we're willing to give you a 5 year contract worth >£250,000 if you agree to make commercial pap for us' >Hand on heart - would you sign on the dotted line??? I would! As long as the contract allowed to produce the music you want separately. I'm sure our boys have faced such trials themselves in the course of doing soundtracks. The director tells them what he wants, and they have to deliver if they want to collect their check. Of course, they still have the freedom to produce the music they really want. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 11:22 am Subject: Dolby Really-From: Mark Filipak Here is a link to Dolby Labs' explanation of the Dolby-B, Dolby-C, and Dolby-S processes. Note what they have to say about the increased headroom at high frequencies provided by Dolby-C (20 db) and it's anti-saturation processing. http://www.dolby.com/cassette/bcsnr/ Cheers -- Mark (test on Monday) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 3:48 pm Subject: Pink Floyd on tour w/ Spice Girls Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Oh! Ash. What a load of horse hockey. The Spice Girls wear short skirts, >flash their wobbly bits and grab Prince Charles' bottom in front of hoards >of newspaper photographers. They use sex to sell records and target >miilions of impressionable pre-teen girls with a rather tacky image >machine. Can you honestly see Edgar doing that? No. >I bet they could, provided it was hyped enough. Europeans don't seem to >be as vulnerable to hype as us Yanks, so I think it could work in the >US. All they'd have to do is saturate radio and newspapers with ads >like 'The biggest concert spectacular in recorded history! Yankee >Stadium welcomes worldwide megastars Tangerine Dream!' So many people >would hear that and go just because they'd think they were seeing big >stars. Funny, that sounds exactly like Pink Floyd's last tour. . . Now here's an image for you: David Gilmour in a short skirt, flashing his wobbly bit, and grabbing Prince Charles' bottom... 'Comfortably Numb' during their sold-out, worldwide tour of the world! Alright, maybe the short skirt is a bit of a stretch. How 'bout something more manly, like, say, a kilt? Dodging out of the way of flying cabers and haggis, B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 4:38 pm Subject: Re: moe Spice! Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > they still have the freedom to produce the music they really want. Don't you mean the music they 'really, really want' ? :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 3:38 pm Subject: Re[2]: roll-on 'scamathon'! Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >This is your brain: $$$$$$$$$$$$ >This is your brain on TD: $ >Any questions? Where do I sign up? That's 'Mr.' Sucker to you, B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 5:01 pm Subject: Re: elminators? Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >>Ah, the Band brothers. They're actually the same guy. Charles goes by > >>Richard when he does music for his movies. Don't ask me why. He did a > >>lot of cheapo action pics in the '80s, all the Charles/Richard combo. > >>Maybe its a tax thing. > > >No. Actually Richard is Charles' brother. I've seen them both together. > >Unless I was drunk and seeing double. :) And they were cheapo movies, > but in > >a good way. :) > > I've always hear they were one and the same, kinda like Lewis > Coates/Luigi Cozzi. > > Scott Nope. Quite true. They are brothers. Richard is the musician and Charles is the director and owner of Full Moon Ent (I think thats the co.). We actually produced Richard Band: Film Music over the years, a couple of years ago for Richard (it was a promo only....so email me if you want to buy one). Has a lot of his music on it. I'll have to see if it has Eliminators on it. regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 12:16 pm Subject: noone Really-From: Michael Fox To those who stopped by my web page, some 'happy fingers' caused it to display incorrectly. If you wish, please try again @ www.iquest.net/~mfox/ Thanks, Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 5:22 pm Subject: Re: TD Does Computer Games? Really-From: 'Harri Ikonen' Back in 1987, German software house Kingsoft published a game called 'Pinball Wizard', which featured sounds and music taken from TD albums. The background music was a looped sample from '21st Century Common Man' part 1 (roughly 0:30 into the track) and short samples from 'Cyclone' and 'Wavelength' soundtrack were used as sound effects. As far as I know, the game was only available for Commodore Amiga, so PC and Mac owners are out of luck. Harri Ikonen hikonen@m... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 5:27 pm Subject: Speaking of Spice Girls Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Ah the joys of working at a college! Today is 'Diversity Day' and one of the featured entertainments is a Lebanese belly dancer (with blond hair, no less). She was accompanied by a keyboard player and a drummer, and at point they played the 'doo-daa doo-daa' of Stratosfear! Maybe the belly dancers at a TD show isn't all that farfetched! Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3944 Re: Speaking of Spice Girls GrafZeigen@a... Fri 5/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 6:57 pm Subject: Re: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream Really-From: TWeibre361@a... let me just add two words to this whole discussion: milli vanilli np: marley - berlin 1980 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 7:01 pm Subject: Re: Spice Girls! Really-From: TangerineC@a... Can we please stop talking about the Spice Girls and get on with some worthwhile TD info? Jeezzz!!!!!!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 7:16 pm Subject: Re: Dolby/recording levels... Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-05-15 14:44:13 EDT, you write: << I don't know why they became the standard, but they're the standard for ALL tape traders. They seem to be available just about everywhere, the quality is consistent, and they have lovely grey shells. Maybe it's the Max Points. . . >> and, if they happen to malfunction in any way, put them in an envelope, send them back to maxell and in 2 weeks ull get a brand new replacement (and dollar off coupons)...btw, the max points program has ended, but tdk is redeeming them at 1000 max points for 10 sa-xs until end of july... tom w np: marley in berlin 1980 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 7:59 pm Subject: D:Addendum + Phil's Poll Really-From: Vic Rek By the way, I thought this week was to focus on D:Tangents, not D:Spice Girls, whoever they are... Also, I was wondering Phil if you have a complete summary of the TD compilation poll we did a few weeks back? Vic np: Stratosfear SBM, track: 3am at the Border of the Marsh From Okefenokee. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3964 Re: D:Addendum + Phil's Poll PNaunton@a... Sat 5/17/1997 2 KB 3965 Re: D:Addendum + Phil's Poll PNaunton@a... Sat 5/17/1997 2 KB 3971 Re: D:Addendum + Phil's Poll Jens Peschke Sat 5/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 8:28 pm Subject: Re: elminators? Really-From: TangerineC@a... They are definetly brothers. Also the name of Charles Bands film company is Full Moon Entertainment. Richard usually does the music. One question though..... How did this go from talking about TD to Charles Band? Talk about going off in a TANGENT! :) (Pun intended). From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 7:26 pm Subject: Pink Floyd on tour w/ Spice Girls (Take 2) Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... This probably won't be nearly as funny the second time around, but I've reinserted the missing sentence that made the joke. Well, made it make sense at any rate. >Oh! Ash. What a load of horse hockey. The Spice Girls wear short skirts, >flash their wobbly bits and grab Prince Charles' bottom in front of hoards >of newspaper photographers. They use sex to sell records and target >miilions of impressionable pre-teen girls with a rather tacky image >machine. Can you honestly see Edgar doing that? No. >I bet they could, provided it was hyped enough. Europeans don't seem to >be as vulnerable to hype as us Yanks, so I think it could work in the >US. All they'd have to do is saturate radio and newspapers with ads >like 'The biggest concert spectacular in recorded history! Yankee >Stadium welcomes worldwide megastars Tangerine Dream!' So many people >would hear that and go just because they'd think they were seeing big >stars. Funny, that sounds exactly like Pink Floyd's last tour. . . Now here's an image for you: David Gilmour in a short skirt, flashing his wobbly bit, and grabbing Prince Charles' bottom... 'Comfortably Numb' during their sold-out, worldwide tour of the world! Alright, maybe the short skirt is a bit of a stretch. How 'bout something more manly, like, say, a kilt? Laugh, damn you! B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: D:TANGENTS/DREAM ROOTS/DREAM MIXES/etc., ad nauseum ;) Really-From: Steven Feldman Honestly, how can you discuss TANGENTS without discussing the DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION -- or BEYOND THE STORM -- or THE DREAM MIXES -- or 'Stratosfear 1996' -- or SHEPHERD'S BUSH -- or DAS MADCHEN AUF DER TREPPE 1997??? It should be obvious by now that when Virgin approached Edgar to choose tracks for TANGENTS, and Edgar decided to 'update' some tracks for the package, he got carried away to the point of 'updating' virtually his entire output. He must have thought to himself, 'Hey, you *can* go home again,' as if convinced that he was given the chance to re-live his childhood . . . wholesale. ;) I have a feeling Edgar is similar to me--and quite a few TD fans on this list, I might add-- in that he is a bit obsessive. Witness his eventual decision to not only update his Virgin stuff, but everything before and after that, too. I mean, really; what *hasn't* he overhauled but the 'unofficial' (to *his* mind, anyway) soundtracks, DEAD SOLID PERFECT and THE PARK IS MINE? ;) Think about it: he re-did the Brain, Virgin, Relativity, Private Music, and Miramar stuff--and even his entire body of solo work with the BEYOND THE STORM collection (yes, this means, KAMIKAZE 1989, too, despite the title changes of the two songs in question). You gotta admit, being able to create new material while also remixing some 60% of your entire catalog from a 25 year period would be impressive for any band, but for an *individual* to do so to a batch of stuff as huge as that of TD is pretty amazing. So, just for laughs, let's compartmentalize Edgar's project: 70 ELECTRONIC MEDITATION| 71 ALPHA CENTAURI | 72 ZEIT } DREAM ROOTS (Sequel Records) 73 ATEM | 73 GREEN DESERT | 74 PHAEDRA | 75 RUBYCON | 75 RICOCHET | 76 STRATOSFEAR | 77 ENCORE | 77 SORCERER | 78 CYCLONE | 79 FORCE MAJEURE | 80 TANGRAM } TANGENTS (Virgin Records) 80 PERGAMON | 80 THIEF | 82 LOGOS | 81 EXIT | 82 WHITE EAGLE | 83 HYPERBOREA | 83 RISKY BUSINESS| 84 FLASHPOINT | 84 FIRESTARTER | 84 POLAND | 85 LE PARC | 86 UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT } DREAM ROOTS (Sequel Records) 87 TYGER | 88 LIVE MILES | 88 OPTICAL RACE | Oh, Ed, what happened? No remakes of 89 LILY ON THE BEACH } 'Mothers of Rain' or 'Dolls in the Shadow'? 89 MIRACLE MILE | Why might that be? 90 MELROSE | Just kidding! Don't do it! ;) 92 ROCKOON | 94 TURN OF THE TIDES } DREAM MIXES 95 TYRANNY OF BEAUTY | 84 THE PARK IS MINE | 87 DEADLY CARE } Forsooth, for Ed spitteth upon these. 89 DEAD SOLID PERFECT | 83 WAVELENGTH | 85 HEARTBREAKERS | 86 LEGEND | 87 CANYON DREAMS | 87 THREE O'CLOCK HIGH | 87 NEAR DARK | 87 SHY PEOPLE } remaining music yet to altered by Vigilant(e) Ed 89 DESTINATION BERLIN | 89 CATCH ME IF YOU CAN | 90 THE MAN INSIDE | 92 RUMPELSTILTSKIN | 93 220 VOLT LIVE | 96 GOBLINS' CLUB | Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Emdreams, CNI News, Contact ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Forum, _PEER_ Perspectives, ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ the Nausicaa list, Tadream, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ & Hong Kong Film Connection ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: sfeldman@w... ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3933 'The Keep' and.... HERE!! Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 5/16/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 9:51 pm Subject: Help requested Really-From: Steve Yensen To all that replied to my request for help, please be patient as I don't go online very often.... Steve. ( old address - SYensen@a... ) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 8:13 pm Subject: Max Points Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >btw, the max points program has ended, but tdk is >redeeming them at 1000 max >points for 10 sa-xs until end of july... >tom w Aw, cripes, you mean all those points I've been throwing away still have some value? Damn, damn, damn! Are sa-xs tape types, btw? Are you saying that we can get ten tapes for 1,000 points? Must be cheap tapes. Damn, B. Kirby NP: V.A. - From Here to Tranquility Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3942 Re: Max Points TWeibre361@a... Fri 5/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 5:52 pm Subject: Re: Quality and Quantity Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 11:28 AM 5/15/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > >On Thu, 15 May 1997 00:36:53 tadream mailing list >wrote: >>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> > >>We, here, seem to be choosing quality over quantity. I don't know >>much about Froese as a person, but what comes out of his >>soul, like out of many on this list, is something that has >>nothing to do with success as measured with coins. > >This is arguable. You are right about 'quantity' in the sense of presence in >the popular music happening, but certainly not about the quantity of musical >output. It is exactly the sheer quantity of unreleased, not officially released, >half-released and released-only-in-Samoa material that makes being a TD >collector so frustrating. With the Spice Girls, conversely, you have an album >and you have it all. > >Dennis > You are right on as far our frustrations are concerned. But don't interpret my terminology literally. When I say 'quantity' I mean ALL the output of all the spice girls over the last 35 years. The Top 40 stuff that has been and will be selling billions of dollars' worth of albums (where do they get their money from???) to folks with, tastes, ahem, 'different' than ours. No doubt that TD has been prolific, relative to the genre, but the total output of all of e-music (Schulze included and he does produce!) artists pales by comparison. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 5:43 pm Subject: Re: roll-on 'scamathon'! Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 10:57 AM 5/15/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >>Yes kids, beware!! This could be you. It starts at a party. You try >>just a little TD music. Before you know it, you're hooked and living >>down in the ghetto in a cardboard box, shooting up, with a boom box >>stuck to the side of your head. > >This is your brain: $$$$$$$$$$$$ >This is your brain on TD: $ >Any questions? > >Scott This would be hilarious if it weren't so true. OK, it's funny as hell anyway. Andrew > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 12:37 am Subject: Re: Franke's Bridge to Eternity? Really-From: 'Greg Heil' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Re: Franke's Bridge to Eternity? > Date: Thursday, May 15, 1997 1:37 AM > > Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne > > > > Really-From: Rainer Rutka > > Oh well. It doesn't > make any weird noises when being played (the disc) so it is relatively safe > to play. I was ready to hit the eject button the first time I played it, > in case it would've started creating havoc inside the player. > > -jhsa When I bought 'Rockoon', the darn thing scrapped like mad inside my player and I was forced to pull out a razor blade and do surgery. Although this has happened a few other times (not as serious as this) I wish the quality of CD's would inprove.. I mean... the things are getting thinner.. and wobblier (like my version of Tangram) Isn't technology supposed to make things better over the years? I've never had a defective tape.. and tapes have only improved over the years. Oh well.. :) Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 7:17 pm Subject: space girls spice girls and TD Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... Dreamers spice girls suck space girls suck, too--IMHO in fact every woman I know sucks--thanks ladies and yes in this case suck is interchangeable with blow. ;-) Since when did art--good/bad/indifferent become a contest or need to be? The most tasteless art is generally the most controversial and by it's nature--most talked about. Does this explain the popularity of the spice girls? or vanilla ice? Certainly in the commercial art that is popular music most of it is just gonna be product. Look at TD's Private Music years. Would you say it's great--this could be rhetorical if you'd like? At the time most of it came out I hated it. When I listen to it now it's not so bad. Did I stop buying it? No. Did I stop going to the concerts--no--in fact I had more money to spend than I ever had before and would drive hundreds of miles to see TD play after seeing them in another city the night before--to see practically the same show which may or may not vary by much except perhaps for the absence or inclusion of an additional encore. Obviously, I talking about after the 70s. Maybe I do skip playing Lily on the Beach so that I can tolerate the rest of the private music product--dunno. I like underwater sunlight and doesn't that have the same members more or less as at least some of PM? OK, sorry Ralph and anyone else I've forgotten--if any. And exactly how much did Herr Baumann sell PM for? It wasn't even his tunes. Mu$ic is a business and some years it does well and other years they push the spice girls cause they've got no real bands to push and no big name acts to tour. Now where's that US TD tour? I thought we were supposed to get one near the end of '95? or early 96? It wouldn't be a money issue would it? Edgar? We're waiting. --teiwaz From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 1:55 am Subject: OASIS CD AVAILABLE Really-From: Michael A Jean Yes, its true! Its at www.vprint.demon.co.uk MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3943 Re: OASIS CD AVAILABLE Vincent Goudreault Fri 5/16/1997 3 KB 3945 Re: OASIS CD AVAILABLE Rainer Rutka Fri 5/16/1997 2 KB 3999 Re: OASIS CD AVAILABLE Andy Bloyce Mon 5/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 3:56 am Subject: Important news Really-From: David Datta Hi everyone! I wanted to let you all know that June 15th is my last day at the University of Wisconsin-Parkside. As some of you already know, I have been working for the University for the last 9 years, the last 5 as the Director of Networking and Microcomputing Services. I am leaving the University to go to work for Matrix Software. (Check out www.allmusic.com for details about them [us!].) This will mean several changes for publically accessable computer resources from the University. All of the public resources have been provided by me on my own time, because I wanted to maintain them. Once I am gone, the University has no reason to allow me to maintain them on campus owned equipment or to use campus bandwidth. The first, and most definite change is the machine currently known as archive.uwp.edu will be de-comissioned as a publically accessable music archive and removed from the network. I will be making backups of all of the data before it is killed but the archive itself will completely dissappear. It will probably dissappear without warning some time before the 15th. (archive.uwp.edu is a Sun SparcServer 20 that can saturate at least 3 T1 lines without even trying.) At this time, I can continue to run mailing lists on cs.uwp.edu. I do not yet know if I will be able to set up a machine at allmusic.com to be a list server. If I can do that, I will move all of the lists there without interruption. Further details about the future of the lists will be mailed out as soon as I know what will happen. I just wanted to let the list members know these things before they happen so you can grab anything you might want from archive.uwp.edu before it goes away. The mirror sites don't know that it is being shut down and I don't know if any of them are going to keep stagnant images of the archive files available. -Dave Datta Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3939 Re: Important news Mark Filipak Fri 5/16/1997 3 KB 3941 Re: Important news Grant Middleton Fri 5/16/1997 3 KB 4005 Re: Important news Plumer, Scott Mon 5/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 15, 1997 11:03 pm Subject: 'The Keep' and.... HERE!! Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Boys and girls (spice or otherwise)! Here is a bloke from the UK, probably well-known to some of you who is seriously into good stuff. A bit pricey for my tastes, but some of you may opt to go directly on a bread & water diet and have at it. The (strategic) excerpt is but a small token of his holdings.... cheers and tally-ho! ======================================= ROBIN DAVIS c\o HIT THE DECK P.O. BOX 92 BROADSTAIRS KENT CT10 2AG, UK. TEL\FAX (UK +44) 01843 864281 E-MAIL rdavis@f... Website http://www.adept.co.uk/hit-the-deck/ ----- a taste of 7 pages' worth of listings ------- 'CD'.'TANGERINE DREAM'.'The Keep S`Track'.'BMCD12 - IMPORT w.inlay'.'EX+\NM LBS 20' 'CD'.'TANGERINE DREAM'.'In Den Garten Pharaos\Bicycle'.'NR.90116 - IMPORT w.inlay'.'EX+\NM LBS 20' 'CD'.'TANGERINE DREAM'.'Patrolling Space Borders'.'SSG 7869964-LIve `77-w.inlay'.'EX+\NM LBS 20' 'CD'.'TANGERINE DREAM'.'20th. Century Serenades'.'PF 762425 - IMPORT w.inlay'.'EX+\NM LBS 20' 'CD'.'TANGERINE DREAM'.'Ratikon-Live,Australia`82 +...'.'IMPORT w.inlay'.'EX+\NM LBS 20' 'LP'.'TANGERINE DREAM'.'Undulation - 150 Copies ONLY!!'.'Live at Preston Guild Hall `80'.'EX+\NM OFFS' 'LP'.'TANGERINE DREAM'.'Leprous Appearance On Wednesda'.'Melbourne 24\2\82-#`d 23\100!!'.'EX+\NM OFFS' 'LP'.'TANGERINE DREAM'.'Parisian Dreams-#`d 72\100'.'RC 1 - Live Paris `86'.'EX+\NM OFFS' ===================================== LBS is Pound Sterling. OFFS means 'offer' like in bid. Look at the URL site for the legend of abbreviations and sale conditions and such. I have not posted all the TD stuff he has in order not to cram some of folks' style (and mail-boxes). If so requested, I will post the whole list, privately, or on the list. Regards to all, Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 4:10 am Subject: What the #^%$ do Spice Girls have to do with TD?? Really-From: Rakinik Intertype Is there some particular reason you all are talking about Spice Girls on a TD NG??? I suggest you start a Spice Girls NG to carry on your thread concerning a group of girls that no one cares about here.......unless you are one of those people who likes to talk about them just because they are hot babes...in which case I also suggest that you join the 'I can't get laid' NG while yer at it. Heh. Onward gentlemen... regards, Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3977 Re: What the #^%$ do Spice Girls have to do with John Christian Sun 5/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 3:10 am Subject: Re: TD Does Computer Games? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Harri Ikonen' > > Back in 1987, German software house Kingsoft published a game called > 'Pinball Wizard', which featured sounds and music taken from TD albums. > The background music was a looped sample from '21st Century Common > Man' part 1 (roughly 0:30 into the track) and short samples from > 'Cyclone' and 'Wavelength' soundtrack were used as sound effects. > > As far as I know, the game was only available for Commodore Amiga, so > PC and Mac owners are out of luck. If you still have this Harri, I'd like to ask a couple of questions about it. Cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 5:31 am Subject: Re: 'The Keep' and.... HERE!! Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > If so requested, I will post the whole list, privately, or on the list. In the famous words of Linda Lovelace, 'Give it all to me!' Thanks -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3975 Re: 'The Keep' and.... HERE!! Ryan Smith Sun 5/18/1997 2 KB 3976 Re: 'The Keep' and.... HERE!! Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 5/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 3:18 am Subject: Re: moe Spice! Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >And another thing, Dave, if in their wisdom, Sony approached you > saying ' > >Ahh! Mr Hughes - you music is super sophisticated - indeed to much so > for > >our market - however, we're willing to give you a 5 year contract > >worth £250,000 if you agree to make commercial pap for us' > >Hand on heart - would you sign on the dotted line??? > > I would! As long as the contract allowed to produce the music you want > separately. I'm sure our boys have faced such trials themselves in the > course of doing soundtracks. The director tells them what he wants, and > they have to deliver if they want to collect their check. Of course, > they still have the freedom to produce the music they really want. Wish this were so Scott. But most contracts are exclusives. The contractee is prohibited from working for anyone else during the term of the contract. Some artists have 'gotten around this' (not really) by just not performing for anyone until the contract expires. The only acts that can dictate other terms are the ones that don't really need a label -- ie, the really big acts. Another thing I think is true. A new act can't possibly sign a one album deal. The recording companies want to own what they promote. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 2:59 am Subject: Re: Spice Girls! Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > ... > The Spice Girls are 'fast-food-music'. I think that sums it up quite nicely. -- Mark (I'll take the brunette in the middle, please... to go. Oh, and add a side of blond.) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 5:43 am Subject: Re: Important news Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: David Datta > ... > I am leaving the University to go to work for Matrix Software. (Check > out www.allmusic.com for details about them [us!].) Well it's heartening to see that dispite what the pundants say, someone really is making money on the Internet. Congratulations Dave. I had a Matrix Software product once called Matrix Layout -- sort of a forerunner to Visual Basic that ran in DOS. Is this company the evolutionary child of that Matrix Software (was located in Massachusetts) or is the name the only similarity? Once again, congratulations. Hope to see your name in lights one day. Cheers and Best of Luck. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 9:15 am Subject: Rockoon/Nightcrawlers/Banzai/Tortoise Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' Hey, -According to the TD interview in the latest issue of Seconds, Edgar did change the name of TD to (.....drumroll.....) 'ROCKOON' yes, 'Rockoon'... One would think that someone doing an interview would at least get the name of the band/group right.. geez louise... -For any of those interested in the Nightcrawlers, I recently recieved the first five tapes of their discog from Peter Gulch. ALL of it is very good and I would recommend spending the money. They tend to be spacey but have a nice creepy edge to them...Remember, I LOVE CREEPY! -Has anyone ordered anything from CD Banzai before and if so, how was the service, reliability, the basics??? -And last but not least: Does anyone here listen to Tortoise? tangerine luvin', Maxwell 'creepy' Croy From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 9:51 am Subject: Re: Important news Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Hi everyone! > > I wanted to let you all know that June 15th is my last day at the > University of Wisconsin-Parkside. As some of you already know, I have > been working for the University for the last 9 years, the last 5 as the > Director of Networking and Microcomputing Services. I'd like to say a big thanks to Dave for providing us with the Tadream list (and the heap of other e-music lists) over the past few years. He always knows when to let the list fight it out, and also when to step in and pull the warring factions apart - good work fella ! Hey, maybe we could make a commemorative CD, or a plaque, or a....... Bye Dave, and the very best of luck in your career ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 12:29 pm Subject: Re: Max Points Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-05-15 20:33:25 EDT, you write: << Aw, cripes, you mean all those points I've been throwing away still have some value? Damn, damn, damn! Are sa-xs tape types, btw? Are you saying that we can get ten tapes for 1,000 points? Must be cheap tapes. >> not really...sa-x are equivalent in quality and performance to udxl2s...they just dont look as nice...regards, tom w From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 12:31 pm Subject: Re: OASIS CD AVAILABLE Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On May 15, 8:55pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: OASIS CD AVAILABLE > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > Yes, its true! > > Its at www.vprint.demon.co.uk > > MJ > An e-mail address perhaps, for those of us with only e-mail available (but no web access)? BTY, I'll be in Geneva next week. Anyone know of some locale where 'not yet available in North-America' TD stuff could be obtained there? C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3945 Re: OASIS CD AVAILABLE Rainer Rutka Fri 5/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 1:54 pm Subject: Re: Speaking of Spice Girls Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-15 15:21:45 EDT, you write: << Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' <> If U2 can do it (the 'ZOO' tour) then so can TD, I guess. BTW, I am greatly offended by the mention of Spice Girls in the same breath as Pink Floyd or TD. (oops!). Please cease and desist before I puke!:-) Graf Zeigen From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 3:33 pm Subject: Re: OASIS CD AVAILABLE Really-From: Rainer Rutka > > Yes, its true! > > Its at www.vprint.demon.co.uk > An e-mail address perhaps, for those of us with only e-mail available (but no > web access)? Here's the email-adress I found on the web-side: Rob@v... Rainer Rutka From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 7:19 pm Subject: Re: Spice Girls! Really-From: TangerineC@a... If I read the name Spice Girls in one more posting after this one, i'm getting off this mailing list. This is bull@#$%!!!! I joined to talk about TD, Not some girlie group who will last in the music biz another month or two. I hate wasting my time reading this trash. My 2 scents. :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 9:29 pm Subject: oranges from france Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I just returned home from London and what did I find on arrival? A box of Oranges from France... Mmmmmm They were fantastic. Thanks! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 9:32 pm Subject: Re: Spice Girls! Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > If I read the name Spice Girls in one more posting after this one, i'm > getting off this mailing list. This is bull@#$%!!!! I joined to talk about > TD, Not some girlie group who will last in the music biz another month or > two. I hate wasting my time reading this trash. > My 2 scents. :) Instead of getting angry, why don't you try to learn a bit about the real matter of this discussion. Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: New Appreciation for Different Versions of TD Tracks Really-From: Steven Feldman This posting is dedicated to TangerineC@a... and Mark Filipak . . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If it makes anyone feel better, I've been listening to a lot of altered TD recently, by which I mean . . . o TYGER (Relativity version with 'Vigour' on it) o ENCHANTING NATURE (hey, Chris can 'Tangentize, too: witness the pre-release and subsequent versions of KLEMANIA and BABYLON 5!) o TANGENTS o TANGERINE AMBIENCE--A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM o The DREAM ROOTS Collection o LIVE! IMPROVISED! o DANGER LIVE o RUBY IN THE SKY (COEFFICIENT OF AURAL EXPANSION I and II as a set) o LOGOS TYPE (1982; similar to LOGOS and THE KEEP) been for quite some time. Among other things . . . I find that I quite like the version of the TYGER title track that is on the Relativity release, and the acoustic piano parts of pretty much the bulk of this version of the album--even though some of the alterations are not too successful overall. I very much like the updated versions of material from ELECTRONIC MEDITATION, ALPHA CENTAURI, ZEIT, and ATEM that are on DREAM ROOTS and find the LE PARC updates rather nice, too, especially as regards what was done with 'Zen Garden.' It's too bad that the underlying continuity running through disc one of TANGENTS wasn't done with the other discs, as well, but I guess Edgar decided that it would be too forced and perhaps inappropriate to some of the groupings of song selections. Fair enough. As it is, what he did to discs one and four (the soundtrack disc) was quite nice. Disc Two of LIVE! IMPROVISED! is really good, and not at all the disjointed, fragmented affair that Disc One is. Then again, listen to a few Nightcrawlers cassettes, and Disc One of LIVE! IMPROVISED won't seem to experimental-sounding at all. ;) While I generally think Chris wimped out the (arguably already- wimpy) PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY that appear in altered form on ENCHANTING NATURE, the added tracks--though spare--are nice and make the package worth it. A question, though: how does separate which tracks go to which (of the three) movie(s) in Chris' MUSIC FOR FILMS, VOL. 1? Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Emdreams, CNI News, Contact ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Forum, _PEER_ Perspectives, ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ the Nausicaa list, Tadream, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ & Hong Kong Film Connection ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: sfeldman@w... ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 11:12 pm Subject: Re:-:) Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-16 15:55:30 EDT, you write: << Really-From: TangerineC@a... If I read the name Spice Girls in one more posting after this one, i'm getting off this mailing list. This is bull@#$%!!!! I joined to talk about TD, Not some girlie group who will last in the music biz another month or two. I hate wasting my time reading this trash. My 2 scents. :) >> Sorry, TC.....I would hate to miss your 'inflamatory' but insightful postings! I think you have missed the point on this one , though. The discussion was really about commercialism , marketing, and selling out in the music biz as related to TD. The S...e G...s were only a metaphore. And it led to a lot of other interesting threads. For example, the EXIT song titles thread that I have personally found extremely fascinating. Plus, maybe you should check into purchasing a sense of humor!:-) No offense intended....and I would have to agree that 'enough is enough' ,too. Graf Zeigen (seriously looking into the 'Kiew Mission' thing...I know there's a good story there!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 11:16 pm Subject: Dave Datta & Future of the list Really-From: Michael A Jean Wow! Congratulations... Hopefully things will work out well for you and for the list... Perhaps as a means of last resort, each of us could receive a query a copy of current list members so we can continue to communicate in some form or fashion with the group. albeit without benfit of the digest format... I will do this for myself tonight as a test...so hopefully all of you will receive the test message(s)...All of us would need to do this eventually for it to work...If you receive both messages let me know because I am doing the digest seperately...those subscribed to both will receive both... MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3955 Re: Dave Datta & Future of the list David Datta Sat 5/17/1997 2 KB 3956 Re: Dave Datta & Future of the list feldon@n... Sat 5/17/1997 3 KB 3961 Re: Dave Datta & Future of the list David Datta Sat 5/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 11:34 pm Subject: Oh no! Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Oh Gawd, folks... >At this time, I can continue to run mailing lists on cs.uwp.edu. I do >not yet know if I will be able to set up a machine at allmusic.com to >be a list server. If I can do that, I will move all of the lists there >without interruption. Further details about the future of the lists >will be mailed out as soon as I know what will happen. In the words of Spike Milligan, whada-we-gonna-do-now? Anyone want to help Mr. Datta out on this one? Anyone in a University facility that might be able to help out? Any business want to take this on? Sweetwater Music? Help... What would we do if there was no TD digest? Where would we get our daily fix? Where else would Ash get to loose so many arguements? Regards Anxious of Newcastle T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 11:34 pm Subject: Huh? Wassis? Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) >In one post, TangerineC@a... says... > >Can we please stop talking about the Spice Girls and get on with some >worthwhile TD info? Jeezzz!!!!!!!! And then a few posts later on... >TangerineC@a... talks about... > >They are definetly brothers. Also the name of Charles Bands film company is >Full Moon Entertainment. Richard usually does the music. One question >though..... How did this go from talking about TD to Charles Band? Talk about >going off in a TANGENT! :) (Pun intended). Errmm... no comment... back to the groovy tunes... Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3966 Re: Huh? Wassis? TangerineC@a... Sat 5/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 11:33 pm Subject: Oh! Mr.Prema Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, Well, methinks Mr. Ash is started to buckle under the avalanche of posts his original TD versus Spice Girls message provoked. Poor lad... Ash, old Son, the Spice Girls _are_ a manufactured pop item put together by marketing men who saw the end of the 'all boy' bands in the UK about two or three months before Take That went the way of the Dodo. My arguement most certainly wasn't feeble and has been echoed by a very large number of people on the digest. Sheesh. I guess we must all be wrong then. TD, like the Stones, the Who, James Brown, Chuck Berry etc etc will mean something in one hundred years time. They were the poineers. They cut the path for others to follow and imitate. That will be TD's legacy. >And another thing, Dave, if in their wisdom, Sony approached you saying ' >Ahh! Mr Hughes - you music is super sophisticated - indeed to much so for >our market - however, we're willing to give you a 5 year contract worth >=A3250,000 if you agree to make commercial pap for us' =20 >Hand on heart - would you sign on the dotted line??? What do you mean 'if Sony approached you'...they already have. They didn't say anything about the music being too sophisticated. And it was a seven year contact too. They were bored of commerical pap having just heard some disc called 'Of Times and Places'... I did sign on the dotted line... >Waiting eagerly with tape measure in hand to measure the length of this >Pinocchio's nose! Ash, you seem to have a thing about tape measures. Is this a hang over from your teens? >Don't you mean the music they 'really, really want' ? > >:-) Me, I'm off for a zig-a-zig-zig... oohhh! Can you really say that sort of thing in polite company? You _do_ know what a zig-a-zig-zig is, don't you? >let me just add two words to this whole discussion: > >milli vanilli Ha!Ha! Gawd! Where did they go? Prison? Cheers Your ever faithful buddy in GeordieLand... T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3997 Re: Oh! Mr.Prema TWeibre361@a... Mon 5/19/1997 2 KB 4182 Re: Oh! Mr.Prema PNaunton@a... Sat 5/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 11:49 pm Subject: Re: Dave Datta & Future of the list Really-From: David Datta : Really-From: Michael A Jean : Perhaps as a means of last resort, each of us could receive a query a copy : of current list members so we can continue to communicate in some form or : fashion with the group. albeit without benfit of the digest format... Don't worry too much about this. I am 99% sure that I will be able to keep the lists here as long as I like. They don't cause many problems for the system owners and they don't suck bandwidth. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 17, 1997 1:07 am Subject: Re: Dave Datta & Future of the list Really-From: feldon@n... At 06:16 PM 5/16/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Michael A Jean > >Perhaps as a means of last resort, each of us could receive a query a copy >of current list members so we can continue to communicate in some form or >fashion with the group. albeit without benfit of the digest format... > >I will do this for myself tonight as a test...so hopefully all of you will >receive the test message(s)...All of us would need to do this eventually >for it to work...If you receive both messages let me know because I am >doing the digest seperately...those subscribed to both will receive >both... Actually, there is some very effective mailing list server software for Windows 95, Windows NT, and Macintosh. The one for Windows 95 that I have tested is located at: http://www.cadvision.com/softventures/SoftVentures.htm If it becomes necessary, I am willing to get the two extra e-mail accounts it requires to run a mailing list (yes, you need two in addition to your regular account) and run the software 24 hours. Since there isn't *too* much traffic (15-30 messages a day), it would be a piece of cake for me to run it. Morgan Marks feldon@n... From: Michael A Jean Date: Fri May 16, 1997 11:36 pm Subject: YIKES! Here is a combined query of all members of both lists...please pardon my experiments..... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 17, 1997 12:23 am Subject: Re: OOPS!/Dave's Announcement Really-From: Michael A Jean OOPS! Sorry about that Dave, and EVERYBODY! MJ On Fri, 16 May 1997, David Datta wrote: > Whoa there!!! The lists aren't going away, just archive.uwp.edu. I should > be able to keep things on cs.uwp.edu... > > -- > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 17, 1997 12:30 am Subject: RE: TANGENTS/DREAM ROOTS/DREAM MIXES/etc., ad nauseum ;) Really-From: Jim Moore >83 WAVELENGTH | > remaining music yet to altered by Vigilant(e) Ed I hate to nitpick (I really do!), but Wavelength was picked up in Tangents... 'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 11:45 pm Subject: tests Really-From: Michael A Jean Well I thinked they worked....but it is a very slow process...I suggest we look for another idea.... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 16, 1997 11:49 pm Subject: Re: Dave Datta & Future of the list Really-From: David Datta : Really-From: Michael A Jean : Perhaps as a means of last resort, each of us could receive a query a copy : of current list members so we can continue to communicate in some form or : fashion with the group. albeit without benfit of the digest format... Don't worry too much about this. I am 99% sure that I will be able to keep the lists here as long as I like. They don't cause many problems for the system owners and they don't suck bandwidth. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 17, 1997 1:13 am Subject: NEGATIVE MAIL Really-From: Michael A Jean Hey, everybody! I sure got alot of negative mail from my seemingly misguided attempt at looking at an alternative to the Tadream list...Mea culpa, mea culpa! If some of these 'lurkers' would contribute to the discussions more often, we might avoid the occaisional lulls on the list...Please use your voices in more constructive ways than flaming a regular particpant in our shared discusions... I guess I can give up the illusion that I have name recognition...HA! 8^P And as Dave said earlier tonight...no need to worry after all! MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3990 Re: NEGATIVE MAIL Grant Middleton Mon 5/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 17, 1997 1:16 am Subject: Peace Offering Really-From: Michael A Jean To make up for my 'crime', I am willing to offer another rare item from my collection for sale: The vinyl 2LP Picture Disc of POLAND- THe Warsaw Concert.... Interested parties should contact be off-list. MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 17, 1997 6:02 am Subject: Re: D:Addendum + Phil's Poll Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-15 16:06:01 EDT, you write: << By the way, I thought this week was to focus on D:Tangents, not D:Spice Girls, whoever they are... >> It does appear that alot of listees have gone off on a ( I can't help it, sorry!) TANGENT. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 17, 1997 6:02 am Subject: Re: D:Addendum + Phil's Poll Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-15 16:06:01 EDT, you write: << Also, I was wondering Phil if you have a complete summary of the TD compilation poll we did a few weeks back? Vic >> Not yet. I was waiting for any late-comers, and I have a business trip to make this weekend. I should have the final results, barring any unforseen circumstances, about midweek next. Last Call For Compilations In Your TD Collection!! And Any Further Addendums. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 17, 1997 8:11 am Subject: Re: Huh? Wassis? Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-16 20:25:37 EDT, you write: >>TangerineC@a... talks about... >> >>They are definetly brothers. Also the name of Charles Bands film company is >>Full Moon Entertainment. Richard usually does the music. One question >>though..... How did this go from talking about TD to Charles Band? Talk >about >>going off in a TANGENT! :) (Pun intended). > >Errmm... no comment... > >back to the groovy tunes... > >Cheers > David Cool, heh???? I just hate the Spice Girls. That's why I said that. :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 17, 1997 9:00 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #922 Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-17 03:11:36 EDT, you write: >The S...e G...s were only a metaphore. And it >led to a lot of other interesting threads. For example, the EXIT song titles >thread that I have personally found extremely fascinating. > Plus, maybe you should check into purchasing a sense of humor!:-) > >No offense intended....and I would have to agree that 'enough is enough' >,too. > >Graf Zeigen I have a sense of humor. I'm the funniest guy I know. :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 17, 1997 9:05 am Subject: More Spice?? Really-From: ashok prema Ok - the Spice vs TD has run its course - with some useful debate from many of you. (OK Dave - you can get back to your preparation for EMMA - I'll be listening for those bum notes!!) An amusing anecdote to make up for the annoyance caused: When TD were touring and having to go across the Eastern Bloc borders, to assist their passage, they stashed some porno magazines amongst the gear - and when Customs came across them, these would be dutifully seized by the Customes Officers - usually with the result that the band could go on its way with out much hassle. The currency of bribery comes in many forms! Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4006 Re: More Spice?? Plumer, Scott Mon 5/19/1997 2 KB 4014 Getting into debt with TD Matt Williams Tue 5/20/1997 4 KB 4012 Re: More Spice?? Greg Heil Mon 5/19/1997 3 KB 4019 Re: More Spice?? Mark Filipak Tue 5/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 17, 1997 9:36 am Subject: Phaedra, Stratosfear,Ricochet,Rubycon Really-From: TangerineC@a... What the heck happened to these Cd's? They are all out of print here in the U.S.A. The most popular albums are gone? Are they planning to re-release these? I already have them all, but I was just wondering whether they were going to remaster these Cd's. Anyone know? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3970 Re: Phaedra, Stratosfear,Ricochet,Rubycon Francisco Salgado C. Sat 5/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 17, 1997 10:19 am Subject: Re: Phaedra, Stratosfear,Ricochet,Rubycon Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > What the heck happened to these Cd's? They are all out of print here in the > U.S.A. The most popular albums are gone? Are they planning to re-release > these? I already have them all, but I was just wondering whether they were > going to remaster these Cd's. Anyone know? I saw them all at CDNOW with not bad prices ( less than $ 12) so, maybe thay are gona at local stores, but at least for the moment CDnow has those. Also available at Music Bouleverd http://mb1.musicblvd.com ( priced $10.79) Also at http://www.cdworld.com/ ( $10.97) So there is no problem to get tohse CD's ---FSC From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 17, 1997 10:30 am Subject: Re: D:Addendum + Phil's Poll Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > Last Call For Compilations In Your TD Collection!! And Any Further > Addendums. You can add Tangerine Dream (td) (Disky VI 873772) with Phaedra + Rubycon I + Stratosfear. I found it for 7$ - the next time visiting a cd-store I take nor money neither a creditcard with me :) Jens Peschke From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Compilation Summary Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Phil, OK, I never did get around to casting my 'Compilation Ballot'....so here goes: >From Dawn Till Dusk Atmospherics Book of Dreams Dream Sequence Dream Roots Tangents Dream Music 2 Private Music of TD Best of Tangerine Dream Tangerine Ambience Froese Solo 74-79 Enchanting Nature (if it even is a compy) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 17, 1997 7:47 pm Subject: Re: Phil's Poll Really-From: Tdune@a... I am a newcomer to the list and I must say that I find what people have to say very interesting, even if sometimes they take things too seriously. I have been listening to TD ever since I heard 'Movement of a visionary' on WNEW on a late night in ''76 (or was it '75?) after that I was hooked and I have tried to keep up with their releases as much as I can. The folloging s for Phil's poll: I have the following compilations: Tangerine Dream 70-80 Dream Music Dream Music 2 The private music of Tangerine Dream >From Dawn 'till Dusk Tangents The Dream roots collection As far as CD Bansai goes, I have dealt with them before and I had no problems, they delivered fairly quickly and if and item was not available I was given credit for it. MG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 20, 1996 12:36 pm Subject: RE: Space Girls VS Tangerine Dream Really-From: Michael Richard Hi! >The Space Girls may sell millions, but in 2 or 3 years they will be fully >forgotten. Think of the 'New Kids on the Block' craze of 5 years ago, >who remembers them now? I've got a NKOTD's vinyl last week. A beautiful black frizbee :) >Meanwhile, TD's music will live on. See ya! :) Michael (: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: 'The Keep' and.... HERE!! Really-From: Ryan Smith >'CD'.'TANGERINE DREAM'.'In Den Garten Pharaos\Bicycle'.'NR.90116 >- IMPORT w.inlay'.'EX+\NM LBS 20' Does anybody have any info on this bootleg? 'In Den Garten Pharaos' is a Popul Vuh album if I'm not mistaken. Did TD do something by the same name or is this some sort of compilation of the two groups like 'Rätikon'? Kaldari kaldari@c... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3976 Re: 'The Keep' and.... HERE!! Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 5/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 18, 1997 3:13 am Subject: Re: 'The Keep' and.... HERE!! Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 11:33 PM 5/17/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Ryan Smith > > >>'CD'.'TANGERINE DREAM'.'In Den Garten Pharaos\Bicycle'.'NR.90116 >>- IMPORT w.inlay'.'EX+\NM LBS 20' > >Does anybody have any info on this bootleg? 'In Den Garten Pharaos' is a Popul Vuh album if I'm not mistaken. Did TD do something by the same name or is this some sort of compilation of the two groups like 'Rätikon'? > >Kaldari >kaldari@c... > It's Tangerine Dream's Bristol 6-11-90 concert. 74'45' play time. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 17, 1997 11:55 pm Subject: Re: What the #^%$ do Spice Girls have to do with TD?? Really-From: John Christian > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype >I also suggest that you join the 'I >can't get laid' NG while yer at it. I thought we did ;-) -- John Christian - mail:john@p... AirSculpture Try out WebMaze at From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 18, 1997 3:08 pm Subject: D:Tangents Really-From: Vic Rek Well, I think I'll say something positive about Tangents for a change since everyone else has been quiet this week. This morning I loaded all 5 discs into my player starting with Disc 5 (the unreleased stuff). A couple of tracks that are memorable for me off this disc are: Volcano, Coppercoast, and Silver Scale. Many of these unreleased tracks start to sound the same though, just like from the Dream Roots box. While drinking my coffee I was thumbing through the Tangents booklet and it made some entertaining reading. Some trivia about TD is interesting. Such as the many meetings between Froese and David Bowie in Berlin, how J. Schmoelling was asked to join the band, how the beginning of Phaedra was recorded (by mistake), and that 1000's of copies of 'Exit' were distributed to the Russians for free (preaching disarmament and peace). So if the pictures and graphics don't grab you, then just read the brief 'Virgin' history of the band. Now getting back to the other discs. Discs 1 to 3 are nice 'tangentized' compilations for old and new fans alike. Disc 4 is nice in that it only contains soundtrack material from Sorcerer, Flashpoint, Firestarter, Risky Business, etc. I think it was a good idea to put this on one disc, not spread it between the other studio releases. In general, I think this is a nice box set and worth having in your collection. Probably the best of the compilations (if you would call it that), but I still do like the 'Dream Sequence' release. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3980 Re: D:Tangents GrafZeigen@a... Sun 5/18/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 18, 1997 3:50 pm Subject: Items of the Week Really-From: Vic Rek Here are a few items up for offer this week: 1. T. Dream - In the Beginning..., 6LP Box set, m-/vg+ 2. C. Franke - Pacific Coast Highway, CD, orig. US release on Private Music 3. C. Franke - Babylon 5, CD, pre-release w/Franke's autograph + numbered 4. Legend strk (The Jerry Goldsmith Score) - UK Silva CD, very nice booklet and mention of TD. 5. Various Artists - Blade Runner w/TD's 'The Helicopter Attack', US CD Send offers/request to me privately off list. Thanks, Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 18, 1997 6:56 pm Subject: Re: D:Tangents Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-18 11:16:39 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Vic Rek Well, I think I'll say something positive about Tangents for a change since everyone else has been quiet this week. This morning I loaded all 5 discs into my player starting with Disc 5 (the unreleased stuff).> While drinking my coffee I was thumbing through the Tangents booklet and it made some entertaining reading. Some trivia about TD is interesting. Such as the many meetings between Froese and David Bowie in Berlin, how J. Schmoelling was asked to join the band, how the beginning of Phaedra was recorded (by mistake), and that 1000's of copies of 'Exit' were distributed to the Russians for free (preaching disarmament and peace). So if the pictures and graphics don't grab you, then just read the brief 'Virgin' history of the band. Now getting back to the other discs. Discs 1 to 3 are nice 'tangentized' compilations for old and new fans alike. Disc 4 is nice in that it only contains soundtrack material from Sorcerer, Flashpoint, Firestarter, Risky Business, etc. I think it was a good idea to put this on one disc, not spread it between the other studio releases. In general, I think this is a nice box set and worth having in your collection. >> Having just recently forked out the dough for Tangents myself (mostly after reading comments from the list about it)....I have been having much the same experience as you! I really like this compilation and think it is one of the nicest box sets anyone could own by anybody!!! It fits right in with the 'best of the best' like the Crimson, Floyd, ELP, etc. - Beautifully done artwork and quality re-mixed recordings. Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 18, 1997 8:38 pm Subject: Mixed messages Really-From: Michael A Jean Well I'm still getting some nasties that definitely DO qualify as abusive! Thanks to those who actually APPRECIATED seeing who all is on the list, and thanked me for my albeit misguided efforts... To the rest...you have my sympathy that your lives are so stressful that a little bit of extra email can manage to give you a stroke! MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3982 Re: Mixed messages gary.cresswell1@v... Sun 5/18/1997 3 KB 3983 Re: Mixed messages Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 5/19/1997 3 KB 3986 Re: Mixed messages GrafZeigen@a... Mon 5/19/1997 2 KB 3988 Re: Mixed messages Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 5/19/1997 3 KB 3995 Re: Mixed messages GrafZeigen@a... Mon 5/19/1997 2 KB 4181 Re: Mixed messages PNaunton@a... Sat 5/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 6:13 am Subject: Re: Mixed messages Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > Well I'm still getting some nasties that definitely DO qualify as abusive! > > Thanks to those who actually APPRECIATED seeing who all is on the list, > and thanked me for my albeit misguided efforts... > > To the rest...you have my sympathy that your lives are so stressful that > a little bit of extra email can manage to give you a stroke! > > MJ Whooaa u gettin Nasties What the hell for Thanks mate, for what its worhth I appreciate your efforts :-)) Gaza Ps I know I dont send to many messages but I've been quiter than usual cos My Master Hard drive went down and I've had to re format the Fuckin thing and start again:-((( From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 18, 1997 5:59 pm Subject: Re: Mixed messages Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 03:38 PM 5/18/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Michael A Jean > >Well I'm still getting some nasties that definitely DO qualify as abusive! > >Thanks to those who actually APPRECIATED seeing who all is on the list, >and thanked me for my albeit misguided efforts... > >To the rest...you have my sympathy that your lives are so stressful that >a little bit of extra email can manage to give you a stroke! > >MJ Don't sweat it, Michael. Many of us reacted to Mr. Datta's news exactly the way you did. You were the only one who instantly jumped up and wanted to do something about it. Even if, on a second reading, it becomes a bit clearer that the list will, in likelihood, have a home. We should all be pleased that there is this kind of interest and commitment within the membership. I, for one, liked seeing the list and am grateful to you for making the effort to fix something that you thought was about to break. I would question the true motivation of anyone who does not feel the same way about your reaction. Please accept my sincerest thanks, Regards, Andrew > > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 12:08 am Subject: 34138 Really-From: Nolemail@a... Dear Madam or Sir, I am currently seeking employment with your company and am available immediately. I have provided my resume, so that you have the opportunity to critique my skills. If interested, or you know someone who might be, duplicates of this resume in complete fax form are available by calling 602-224-0506 or 602-508-8323. In either case, enter extension #334. You will have the option of recieving a complete fax of my resume on that call whatever your location, or entering the telephone number to a fax machine of your choice if calling from area code 602. Andre Morris 3 years intense experience: Expert Knowledge of MS Access (Database), Word (Word Processing), Excel (Spreadsheet). 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We are selling them to finance more recording equipment. We have multiples of several copies, as indicated below. We will sell on a first come, first serve basis. I posted these as an auction a couple of months ago but I didn't have time to conduct an auction. Frankly, I don't like auctions anyway. The vinyl has never been played but it is without shrinkwrap.Some of the covers have slight wear but are in M- to NM condition. If you emailed me about a record previously, just remind me and you can have it for the price posted below. -Title- -catalog#- -label- -released- -availability- -starting bid- Phaedra-------VI2010----Virgin---1973-----10 copies------------US$8 Rubicon-------VI2025----Virgin---1975-----13 copies------------US$8 Ricochet------VI2044----Virgin---1975-----4 copies------------US$8 Stratosfear---VI2068----Virgin---1976-----8 copies------------US$8 Zeit----------VMD2221---Virgin---1976-----3 copies------------US$13 (Zeit is 2LPs, non gatefold) Sorcerer------MCF2806---MCA------1977-----1 copy--------------US$8 Cyclone-------VI2097----Virgin---1978-----7 copies------------US$8 Force Mejure--VI2111----Virgin---1979-----1 copy--------------US$8 Tangram-------VI2147----Virgin---1980-----3 copies------------US$8 Dream Sequence-302686----Virgin---1985----1 copy--------------US$15 (Dream Sequence is a rare 3 LP compilation of excellent material) Tyger---------1341------Caroline-1987-----multiple-------------US$7 Shipping within the US is US$3 for the first record, US$1 per additional record. International shipping will be handled on an individual basis. thanks, Steve Grant Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4007 Re: FS: Tangerine Dream vinyl (unplayed) Amatodo@a... Mon 5/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 4:01 am Subject: Re: Mixed messages Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-18 19:05:04 EDT, you write: << Don't sweat it, Michael. Many of us reacted to Mr. Datta's news exactly the way you did. You were the only one who instantly jumped up and wanted to do something about it. >> Ditto here, Mike! It didn't do anything to MY SYSTEM except enlighten me as to whom I might be dealing with here. I enjoy everyone's company on the list (even if I may have appeared to be harsh with some folks...but, well....that's my warped sense of humor and one of my personal faults, I suppose. Sometimes things don't translate well over the NET....dig??). Anyway, You are one of the few that has actually thought to contact me personally and I appreciate that very much! In fact, since we live not to far apart in the world....maybe someday we can actually meet in person. Although, I think I'd rather meet the young lady in Romania who was offering up her stamp collection for trade for TD music! The Beat Goes ON!!!!!!! Graf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3988 Re: Mixed messages Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 5/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 4:12 am Subject: 'GoldTri' list *finally* coming soon Really-From: Elana who? Hi, folks... Last time I tried to get Goldtri going, I tried to work with my local ISP about it.... and they served me up a big heaping platter of flakiness, if you know what I mean. So I gave up the idea for awhile. I've recently tried again, and now it seems that I have found someone with a real live clue (wow!) in charge of helping me get this new list started. So GoldTri will be able to start within a few weeks. Yay! :) 'GoldTri' is short for 'golden triangle' (no relation to any 'what-the-HECK?' newage conspiracy theories you may have run into in the past. ;-) Imagine a diagram showing an equilateral triangle, with a lovely shade of gold just to make it look really cool. At the left of this triangle is the identity point of 'progressive'. On the right is 'instrumental'. At the top is 'electronic'. These are the three golden points of identity for most of what we call Emusic. If the music and artist in question hits the mark within all three points, it belongs on GoldTri. :) I once gave a pretty good explanation of the 'three points of identity' concept on the old 'emdreams' list. That explanation will be on the web page I am now preparing for the new list. GoldTri will focus on artists who are carrying on the tradition that Franke-era TD had originally inspired. Mike Garrison, Andy Pickford, Enterphase, T-Bass, David Wright and Mark Shreeve are good examples of who are great artists to talk about on this upcoming list. The artists themselves are especially welcome. :) GoldTri will also replace emdreams. Unlike the closed emdreams list, GoldTri will be open to everyone. Watch this space for more details as they happen. I'll let you guys know when the list is ready to be subscribed to, and I will give you the address then. Stay tuned... -Elana Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3989 Re: 'GoldTri' list *finally* coming soon Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 5/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 18, 1997 11:51 pm Subject: Re: Mixed messages Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 12:01 AM 5/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... > > >In a message dated 97-05-18 19:05:04 EDT, you write: > ><< Don't sweat it, Michael. Many of us reacted to Mr. Datta's news exactly > the way you did. You were the only one who instantly jumped up > and wanted to do something about it. >> >Ditto here, Mike! It didn't do anything to MY SYSTEM except enlighten me as [.....] > Although, I think I'd rather meet the young lady in Romania who was offering >up her stamp collection for trade for TD music! > >The Beat Goes ON!!!!!!! >Graf Graf, unless you undergo a sex operation or swing both ways, you may be in for a surprise. Bogdan is very much a male. Cute, mind you, but a male nonetheless. >:- } See, how nice we are to you? We prevent you from getting into some seriously hot water. :-) :-) Thanks for supporting Michael. He was truly well-intentioned. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 18, 1997 11:57 pm Subject: Re: 'GoldTri' list *finally* coming soon Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:12 PM 5/18/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Elana who? >.... Unlike the closed emdreams list, >GoldTri will be open to everyone. > >Watch this space for more details as they happen. I'll let you guys know >when the list is ready to be subscribed to, and I will give you the >address then. > >Stay tuned... > >-Elana > > Good going, Elana. About time. Sign me on right away....OK, OK, I will wait until you are ready. Paul, David, Ash, John, Jeff, Dave, yoohooo, are you watching this? To hell with EMMA. Good things may yet happen in the US. (holding my breath) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 8:59 am Subject: Re: NEGATIVE MAIL Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > Hey, everybody! > > I sure got alot of negative mail from my seemingly misguided attempt at > looking at an alternative to the Tadream list...Mea culpa, mea culpa! Well, I for one thought it was a great idea. If one lousy message in their mailbox causes that sort of reaction, they're not worth knowing. There sure is a lot of bitchin' on Tadream. :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ 'There's too much blood in /\ /\ my caffeine system' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 5:34 pm Subject: Kraftwerk/Bowie/TD Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Did anyone else listen to the Kraftwerk program on Radio One (in the UK) last night? Only after it started did I recall that I had listened to the start of this the last time it was on. The previous time I switched off shortly into the programme because of the sycophantic nature of the presenter and the guests. You know the sort of thing - 1975 when Autobahn came out and all these 'stars' saying how Kraftwerk were the first to do this sort of thing - it was so unique, etc. etc. Well, this time I made it through the whole programme and I suppose some of it was quite interesting. There was no mention of German contemporaries, and a fleeting reference to Stokhausen (sp?). David Bowie was hauled in to give his opinion, and he was the only person to mention TD. Indeed, he said something I found quite interesting. He said that in his time in Germany (Berlin) he was obviously influenced by that style of music, people like Kraftwerk and Edgar Froese, from Tangerine Dream. Bowie repeated that he meant Edgar and his solo work around that time, not TD themselves. Perhaps common knowledge to some of you, but I was very interested to hear such a revered musician draw such a differential between Edgar and the band. So, that 1-hour programme represents Radio One's commitment to e-music over the past two years. And they only repeated this programme because KW are headlining (?) at Tribal Gathering later this month. Boy, to live in Derby. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Early Shreeve Really-From: 'The Radio Gnome' Shreeve had four cassette releases in the early 80's. Embryo, Phantom, Ursa Major and the elusive Fire Music. I was lucky enough to get the first three. Maybe we'll see a dbl CD of these? --- Andrew Wing Politics isn't the art of persuasion, it's the science of selfishness. Big Brother isn't watching you, you're watching Big Brother, all 181 channels Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 3993 Re: Early Shreeve David Datta Mon 5/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 12:39 pm Subject: Re: Early Shreeve Really-From: David Datta In article <5lpgb1$264$1@n...> you wrote: : Really-From: 'The Radio Gnome' : Shreeve had four cassette releases in the early 80's. Embryo, : Phantom, Ursa Major and the elusive Fire Music. I was lucky enough to : get the first three. Maybe we'll see a dbl CD of these? They are a bit too long to make a double CD, each cassette was an hour... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 1:36 pm Subject: World Without Rules Really-From: Michael A Jean I listened to the CD today on the way into work this morning... About 6.15 into the title track there is a lilting breathy synth sound that I really enjoyed. I think it also popped up in the Heartbreakers movie (though it wasn't on the S/T)...I think it was the scene where the woman with long dark hair was exercising at the studio...Can any of you with Synths identify this sound by name? MJ PS: Thank you for your support.. ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20731 Re: World Without Rules AOutland@a... Sat 2/5/2000 1 KB 20732 Re: World Without Rules tom george Sat 2/5/2000 1 KB 20741 Re: World Without Rules Quarlie@a... Sun 2/6/2000 2 KB 20766 Re: World Without Rules Sean Montgomery Mon 2/7/2000 2 KB 20809 Re: World Without Rules tom george Wed 2/9/2000 3 KB 36977 Re: World Without Rules Adele Outland outlanda60 Sat 11/2/2002 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 1:46 pm Subject: Re: Mixed messages Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-19 01:27:58 EDT, you write: << > Although, I think I'd rather meet the young lady in Romania who was offering >up her stamp collection for trade for TD music! > >The Beat Goes ON!!!!!!! >Graf Graf, unless you undergo a sex operation or swing both ways, you may be in for a surprise. Bogdan is very much a male. Cute, mind you, but a male nonetheless. >:- } See, how nice we are to you? We prevent you from getting into some seriously hot water. :-) :-) >> Whoa! Pardon my Romanian...and my sexual confusion! How embarrasing for me. I must have had too many brewskies yesterday. Thank you for setting me 'straight' on this one!! But, ok...I'd still be interested in making a trade with Bogdan. I would be interested in trading for any stamps you might have with Zeppelins or airships on them if you are there Bogdan. Contact me off-list...I don't have your URL off-hand. Graf www.grafzeigen@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: --> Virus Alert<-- Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, Maybe I'm worrying about nothing, but my brother sent this little message to me this morning: -- Steven Feldman and + + + + + + + From: pdann@i... (mark) [my brother] Subject: Fwd: Fwd: VIRUS ALERT!!! To: ar402004@b... ---- Begin Forwarded Message Return-Path: Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com (emout17.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.43]) by ixmail1.ix.netcom.com (8.7.5/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id RAA03226; Sat, 17 May 1997 17:01:40 -0700 (PDT) From: SIS50@a... Received: (from root@l...) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA12997 for pdann@i...; Sat, 17 May 1997 20:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 20:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970517200036_315596288@e...> To: pdann@i... Subject: Fwd: VIRUS ALERT!!! --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Fwd: VIRUS ALERT!!! 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('Stanley, Kim - Work'), brians@n... ('Stevens, Brian'), CSVP78A@p... ('Whitley, Bill'), rwolff@f... ('Wolff, Robert') Date: 97-05-07 21:31:59 EDT Anyone who receives this must send it to as many people as you can. It is essential that this problem be reconciled as soon as possible. A few hours ago, someone opened an E-mail that had the subject heading of'AOL4FREE.COM'. Within seconds of opening it, a window appeared and began to display all his files that were being deleted. He immediately shut down his computer, but it was too late. This virus wiped him out. It ate the Anti-Virus Software that comes with the Windows '95 Program along with F-Prot AVS. Neither was able to detect it. Please be careful and send this to as many people as possible, so maybe this new virus can be eliminated.>> DON'T OPEN E-MAIL NOTING 'AOL4FREE' VIRUS ALERT!!! Be aware that there are letters going around that you have won free Aol until 1998....or AOL 4 free...... PLEASE DELETE...... contains a virus that will wipe out your hard drive...... after you download and it executes..... SUBJECT AREA OF EMAIL....... CONGRATULATIONS! You are a WINNER! SUBJECT AREA OF EMAIL....... AOL 4 Free - Get AOL For Free SENDERS................................Matthews27 VPVVPPVVP WARN YOUR FRIENDS Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4000 Re: --> Virus Alert<-- Magnus Danielson Mon 5/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 3:00 pm Subject: Re: Oh! Mr.Prema Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-05-16 20:20:24 EDT, you write: << >let me just add two words to this whole discussion: > >milli vanilli Ha!Ha! Gawd! Where did they go? Prison? >> no, they are talking about a comeback... tom w np: irmin schmidt - soundtracks From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 3:11 pm Subject: Ultima Thule Really-From: Alexander Bjelke Hi dreamers! I have a simple question for you.what is/who is Ultima Thule?? The reason I ask is that, apart from a TD album(?), a swedish (?) band with very extrem political view has Ultima Thule as their band name. I really hope they have something in common... BTW I don’t like that every TD realese now seems to be very limited. Oasis, Quinoa, Das meadchen auf die treppe etc are all impossible to get. Alexander B. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9227 Ultima Thule John Von Pey Tue 12/2/1997 4 KB 9404 Ultima Thule neil vanlaten Fri 12/12/1997 3 KB 9411 Re: Ultima Thule DJS Fri 12/12/1997 3 KB 9412 'Paris Edge' - Live 1986 Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 12/12/1997 3 KB 9427 Re: 'Paris Edge' - Live 1986 Dave Brewer Sun 12/14/1997 4 KB 9413 Re: Ultima Thule Jim Moore Sat 12/13/1997 3 KB 9415 Re: Ultima Thule KRAUSENECKS Sat 12/13/1997 3 KB 9419 Re: Ultima Thule DJS Sat 12/13/1997 3 KB 9420 Re: Ultima Thule Elias Granillo, Jr. Sat 12/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: OASIS CD AVAILABLE Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...> I've just spoken with VoicePrint, and although they are advertising the Soundtrack CD it is not released until 2nd June. They will take orders now however. Just a warning, so you don't think they've forgotten about your order.