From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 3:47 pm Subject: Re: --> Virus Alert<-- Really-From: Magnus Danielson >>>>> 'tml' == tadream mailing list writes: tml> Really-From: Steven Feldman tml> Folks, tml> Maybe I'm worrying about nothing, but my brother sent this little tml> message to me this morning: This is yeat another of those virus warning messages which in a sense is a virus by itself. It doesn't really infect or multiply in your computer but uses the reciever users general freigtheness of computer viruses and almost unconditional helpfullness to his or hers friends as a way to cause multiplications and thereby spread. Whenever you see these messages you should at least discard it, it is nothing better then chain mails (infact, it is worse) it's infected sideeffects is by taking up internet bandwidth, cpu cycles of transport and mail handlers and most seriously peoples time to read and discard these messages. These mails will easilly eat several minutes of each user and will also multiply into being recieved by thousands users througth maillists etc. This renders a lot of time being stolen by the original sender. There are a lot of diffrent versions of these mails and one must learn not to spread such mails further once received. DO NOT SPREAD THOSE MAIL VIRUSES! In fact, this mail I now send you does even risc in becoming another of those warning mails which starts to spread - talk about meta viruses! Cheers, Magnus From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Lars is Back in the Ol' US of A Really-From: Steven Feldman First of all, sorry about that post about the aol virus. I didn't know that the act of forwarding it was the virus itself. Now then, I met with Lars Jones this past Saturday to trade stuff and he asked me to post to the TD list that he is back in town and that all the stuff he said he'd be bringing with him is indeed here. Heck, I saw the piles of CDs and whatnot with post-it stickers on 'em (to indicate who is supposed to get what), myself. Lars said that it will take him a few days to fix his stateside e-mail account because of there being too much stuff in it, and that's why he wanted to relay this message to you all. So, now you know. Feel better, now? -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: GREEN D, ZONING, D ROOTS, and OASIS Recorded *When*? Really-From: Steven Feldman Sigh. After listening to OASIS and then noticing that the credits list the CD's contents as having been composed in 1996, I dug out the OASIS video and checked the date on the box to make sure: yep, the date listed is 1991. I called up Lars and asked him about this. If I recall correctly, he says he talked to Edgar about this after one of the shows he attended and Edgar said something to the effect that the guy who filmed the stuff that wound up on OASIS is also the guy who filmed the NATURAL STATES, CANYON DREAMS, and TRUE NORTH videos for Miramar--and that snippets of film from OASIS appear on some Miramar videos. It seems that this guy stopped doing business with Miramar at some point, and that the material for OASIS was shot (and copyrighted?) in 1991. Hee hee. This could explain why this guy and Edgar got together: I mean, they both had a falling out with Miramar, didn't they? ;) So, this leaves us with four TD recordings which have hazy origins, chronologically speaking: o GREEN DESERT (raw tracks in 1973; 'remixed' in 1986) o ZONING (early 1990's movie remake; TD did both soundtracks?) o DREAM ROOTS CD #5 (did Chris participate on this recently?) o OASIS (footage is from 1991, but music is from 1996?) The one that's really bugging me right now is the fifth CD from The DREAM ROOTS Collection. After having heard most of Chris Franke's releases and becoming fairly familiar with his sound, I think it's safe to say that Chris' contribution(s) to the music on this CD definitely come from a period after 1989 (which is the last year that Chris was a participating member of Tangerine Dream). Anyone (dis-)agree? Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4003 Re: GREEN D, ZONING, D ROOTS, and OASIS Recorded Dennis Nigbur Mon 5/19/1997 2 KB 4008 Franke on DRC disc 5 dbrewer@a... Mon 5/19/1997 3 KB 4093 Re: GREEN D, ZONING, D ROOTS, and OASIS Recorded stephan bischoff Tue 5/20/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 11:28 pm Subject: Re: GREEN D, ZONING, D ROOTS, and OASIS Recorded *When*? Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Mon, 19 May 97 13:18:45 EDT tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > The one that's really bugging me right now is the fifth CD >from The DREAM ROOTS Collection. After having heard most of Chris >Franke's releases and becoming fairly familiar with his sound, I >think it's safe to say that Chris' contribution(s) to the music on >this CD definitely come from a period after 1989 (which is the >last year that Chris was a participating member of Tangerine >Dream). Anyone (dis-)agree? The last year that Chris was a participating member of TD was 1987. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 11:37 pm Subject: Discussion List Really-From: Dennis Nigbur Excuse my ignorance, but could anyone tell me what's on the discussion list this week, and what is to come in the next 2-3 weeks? Thanks. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 8:30 pm Subject: RE: Important news Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >This will mean several changes for publically accessable computer >resources from the University. All of the public resources have been >provided by me on my own time, because I wanted to maintain them. Once >I am gone, the University has no reason to allow me to maintain them on >campus owned equipment or to use campus bandwidth. This is what happens when I'm away for a long weekend! First Mulder kills himself and now this! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 8:35 pm Subject: RE: More Spice?? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >An amusing anecdote to make up for the annoyance caused: >When TD were touring and having to go across the Eastern Bloc borders, to >assist their passage, they stashed some porno magazines amongst the gear > - and when Customs came across them, these would be dutifully seized by the >Customes Officers - usually with the result that the band could go on its >way with out much hassle. The currency of bribery comes in many forms! Is this true? Where did you read this? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4014 Getting into debt with TD Matt Williams Tue 5/20/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 8:47 pm Subject: Re: FS: Tangerine Dream vinyl (unplayed) Really-From: Amatodo@a... Steve, I am interested in the Dream Sequence LPs. Can you e-mail me with details, or are they already gone. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 8:49 pm Subject: Franke on DRC disc 5 Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Steven Feldman > > The one that's really bugging me right now is the fifth CD > from The DREAM ROOTS Collection. After having heard most of Chris > Franke's releases and becoming fairly familiar with his sound, I > think it's safe to say that Chris' contribution(s) to the music on > this CD definitely come from a period after 1989 (which is the > last year that Chris was a participating member of Tangerine > Dream). Anyone (dis-)agree? > I think that this music just gives us a little hint of what he was about to do after leaving TD. This music was written and recorded what, about a year and 8 months before he left? That's not a lot of time. Who knows how long Franke was tinkering with his own music before he finally left? Even parts of some of the 1985-87 TD soundtracks seem to hint what he going to do solo... Just some ramblings. :-) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Really-From: Steven Feldman Kee-ripes, but the Orb's 'Mandarin Cream' remix (if that's what it is or is supposed to be) of 'Towards the Evening Star' is a piece of shit (no '***' in place of vowels--or should I say bowels?--for this!)! I can think of only two reasons for this: 1) The Orb hates Tangerine Dream and therefore turned in a real piece of crud as a statement re what they think of TD 2) Tangerine Dream hates The Orb and saw to it that their remix was a travesty so as to perpetuate the notion that TD are ambient Elder Statesmen whereas The Orb are second generation wannabees. According to Lars: TD and The Orb never met, and The Orb submitted two remixes, one of which Edgar *rejected*. I guess Sequel forced him to go with at least *one* of them since The Orb and TD are both on that label (sort of like the case where some of TD's catalogue is now in the hands of Windham Hill, hee hee). How could the PR flacks at Sequel be so clueless as to release such a piece of drek, though? I mean, hardcore techno fans might actually be able to get a cheap thrill from listening to a metronome set on top of a grand piano--and hardcore ambient (an oxymoron?) fans might be able to bliss out at the laundromat (listening to the hum of the tumbling clothes: hey, who says Beavis and Butthead have cornered the market on stupid?), but that shouldn't mean that they have no taste whatsoever! There *is* one more possibility, though: the record-buying public at large might think that the remix is good whereas TD's original is overly melodic, old school electronics--with none of the 'old school charm' (i.e. analogue sounds). Am I way off base, here? (In a way, I sort of hope so.) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4010 Re: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Francisco Salgado C. Mon 5/19/1997 4 KB 4011 Re: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Greg Heil Mon 5/19/1997 3 KB 4013 Re: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Brian Frick Tue 5/20/1997 3 KB 4020 Re: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Mark Filipak Tue 5/20/1997 4 KB 4021 Re: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Mark Filipak Tue 5/20/1997 3 KB 4034 Re: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Sean Montgomery Tue 5/20/1997 3 KB 4030 Re: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Brian Frick Tue 5/20/1997 2 KB 4033 Re: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! David Datta Tue 5/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 10:12 pm Subject: Re: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Kee-ripes, but the Orb's 'Mandarin Cream' remix (if that's what it > is or is supposed to be) of 'Towards the Evening Star' is a piece of > shit (no '***' in place of vowels--or should I say bowels?--for this!)! > I can think of only two reasons for this: > > 1) The Orb hates Tangerine Dream and therefore turned in a real piece > of crud as a statement re what they think of TD > > 2) Tangerine Dream hates The Orb and saw to it that their remix was a > travesty so as to perpetuate the notion that TD are ambient Elder > Statesmen whereas The Orb are second generation wannabees. Uhmmm!, well, that really has a meaning. Issue nr 3 of Future Music, Spanish edition, had an interview with those guys, here is an excerpt. **************** 'In 1996 they were contacted by Trident II Studios in London, where they recorded 'Orblion' and were pressed to finish at double speed remixes of Tangerine Dream, Gong and those boys 'heavy-trash' called Nine Inch Nails. It's curious to mention as their influences groups of the 70'ies. Tangerine Dream, Gong, Eno, Can- So what do Andy and Alex think about remixing TD and Gong ? After a thougthfull pause, Alex smiles and said: ' Can were good, but I don't know very much about Tangerine Dream or Gong, Really I don't like them.' ***************** Well, that tells something about the spirit that moved them to do that remix. I can't understand a supposedly artist doing a job he really doesn't want to do ( or he doesn't care at all), except for the money, a powerfull creative force indeed. By the way, the CD that comes with the magazine included a song by Gong ( Toxygene ). Not a song that will make history indeed!!. ... Very much like hundreds of bad techno titles out there. I don't say that there isn't good techno, just this song is forgetable, Maybe not to be heard out of a dance plateau. FSOL is miles ahead!!!. Just my opinion.--- Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 10:12 pm Subject: Re: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > Kee-ripes, but the Orb's 'Mandarin Cream' remix (if that's what it > is or is supposed to be) of 'Towards the Evening Star' is a piece of > shit (no '***' in place of vowels--or should I say bowels?--for this!)! > -- Steven Feldman I'll have to say that over all the excitement in Orb's music, I decided to give this group a try.. I mean, if it's okay with T-Dream, then it must be okay with me! So lets see here.. that album.. hmmm.. let me remember the silly name of the darn thing.. gee whiz.. only bought the thing 3 days ago.. um.. er.. 'Orbvs Terramvm??' close enough.. It was in my hands once.. after 75 minutes (really! a 75 minute CD.. :) of garbaged non-relating noises and thumps of bass.. continuing in every direction except the direction of order and sense, I sent the lil' disk back where it came from. I guess 'Rolling Stones' got it right when they said: 'The Orb inspire awe by splashing a profusion of unfocused noises and samples across a grid of billowing, textured synth lines.' Although the awe come more in actually reading that people conposed this stuff.. sounds like two people playing catch with an e-ball connected to every noise known to humankind--IMHO :) So I don't even want that Remix.. don't even take me there! Thaz my few wordz folks.. Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 10:22 pm Subject: Re: More Spice?? Really-From: 'Greg Heil' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: RE: More Spice?? > Date: Monday, May 19, 1997 1:35 PM > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >An amusing anecdote to make up for the annoyance caused: > > >When TD were touring and having to go across the Eastern Bloc borders, > to > >assist their passage, they stashed some porno magazines amongst the > gear > > - and when Customs came across them, these would be dutifully seized > by the > >Customes Officers - usually with the result that the band could go on > its > >way with out much hassle. The currency of bribery comes in many forms! > > Is this true? Where did you read this? > > Scott By golly!! After all that very emotional talk from Edgar about the beautiful people in the world having the advantage... Tyranny of Beauty? That is unfair! Poor Edgar and Jemore wish they were the good-looking fellows playing their e-struments.. get them girls screaming for ya eh? EDGAR! My friend! My Idol.. you, spoke for us ugly ones in the world! Now you turn your back!!! the house from Monika! :) Just Joking.. no need to offend.. BUT... ... ... oh well... I'm finished here.. See ya.. Greg From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 11:05 pm Subject: Re: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Really-From: Brian Frick tadream mailing list wrote: > Kee-ripes, but the Orb's 'Mandarin Cream' remix (if that's what it > is or is supposed to be) of 'Towards the Evening Star' is a piece of > shit (no '***' in place of vowels--or should I say bowels?--for this!)! Now, now -- I'm in no way trying to defend the Orb here -- I want to stay impartial -- but I know for a fact that the Orb are NOT known for remixes that are even close to the original. As far as an Orb song goes, it's really a good remix. As far as a TD fan may be concerned, it sucks. I have to say that I really like both, but regardless of the fact that it's a remix of TD. Sorry, but I do like them both for different reasons... > There *is* one more possibility, though: the record-buying public > at large might think that the remix is good whereas TD's original is > overly melodic, old school electronics--with none of the 'old school > charm' (i.e. analogue sounds). Am I way off base, here? (In a way, > I sort of hope so.) I think that you may have touched upon the subject a bit - anymore, the Orb use more analogues than TD - the pioneers of analogue. Don't know why, either... -- Later! -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Getting into debt with TD Really-From: Matt Williams Hi Everyone, Been a little bit naughty with my credit card recently...well ok very naughty in fact I have been so naughty the company have written to me demanding I cut my card in two and send it back to them.... Well this demand annoyed me very much so I went to my local second hand CD/Record dealer and brought all the TD CDs I have been a little weary of buying in the past you know ones like Electronic Meditation,Zeit,Alpha Centurai. Thankfully this perticular CD dealer doesn't have one of those credit card machines that are linked up to the phones,these ones check your account...he has the old fashion one that you have to pull a lever across with your hand...its cool cause the only time the bank knows about it is when they get the recipt you have signed :). Anyway I am afraid my concerns about the CDs were justified,with Schulze on Electronic Meditation I didn't expect to like it...and yeah well it is a little out there to say the least,Zeit was also a bit 'difficult' but Alpha Centurai isn't too bad....I have the new Castle remasters they only cost 7-50 pounds brand new which is good value I guess...you get the original covers and picture disk CDs.....there is also some interesting info on the sleeve by a guy called Julian Cope......is this that singer Julian Cope or is it someone else??. I also picked up Le Parc.....I was convinced I would love it seems its a schmoelling album but I don't like it too much,I'll give it a few more trys though. I almost fainted too,I actually have an album by Schulze which I enjoy...its Royal Dome Event Pt 2.....I have no idea why I love it cause it's completey nuts....maybe its because I'm nuts too.. Oh yeah to top it off I put down a 30 pound deposit on the 'Brick' box set..I paid that with my credit card to.... Now my fun is over I'll buy a pizza wih the card then I shall cut it in two and send it back to the nasty credit card people with a note of thanks!. Finnaly I'm thinking of buying Picture Music by Schulze can someone give me a little info onwhat its like? Do I get the award for most sensible credit card user? :)) Matt.... MATTHEW WILLIAMS EMAIL: matt@s... 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 19, 1997 6:32 pm Subject: RE: 34138--SPAMtm? Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... So who's gonna hire Andre Morris? Hormel? BTW, does anyone know if spamming of such caliber from an AOL account counts as seeking work if you are unemployed and receiving unemployment compensation. --teiwaz np TD 10/27/76 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 2:07 am Subject: D:Limited World Tour Edition 1997 Really-From: Vic Rek Being States-side, I had to import (Lars' Imports) my tour CD single (along with most any other music I purchase). I received it today and I like it. First of all, the single is not titled 'Das Madchen..' like I've seen mentioned before. It is simply titled 'Limited World Tour Edition 1997' and has 3 tracks: 1. Maedchen on the Stairs (Rien ne va plus - sunset radio mix) 2. Maedchen on the Stairs (Rien ne va plus - sunrise club mix) 3. Order of the Ginger Glid I never really cared for the 'Madchen..' music, so in this case I think the remixes are superior to the originals. I can finally enjoy them! This is a rare occasion for me indeed! So Edgar, if you hear me, send me that promo CD of this stuff! This maxi single comes in a slimeline case and has a cover similar to TOB. The disc is unique in that it is clear on the outer diameter and the inner part is painted with the new TDI logo which also allows for the music to be read by your CD player. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4035 Re: D:Limited World Tour Edition 1997 Dennis Nigbur Tue 5/20/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 2:07 am Subject: Back to the Universe Really-From: Vic Rek This may interest some of you Klaus Schulze fans... Various Artists (VA)- 'Back to the Universe' Volume 1 - Made in Germany, but released on a Russian label named Only- ONLY ORCD 2001-2, 1996 Limited to 1000 copies with previously unreleased track 'Himmel Und Erde (remix)'. Also exclusive tracks by Georg Stettner and Mario Schoenwalder. I got my copy from CUE records - NL. I also saw it for sale from Manikin Records - Germany. I once faxed the label in Russia, but no response. It's OK to like Klaus also! Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4055 Re: Back to the Universe Brent Carter Tue 5/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 2:07 am Subject: Re: Getting into debt with TD Really-From: Vic Rek > Finnaly I'm thinking of buying Picture Music by Schulze can someone give me a >little info onwhat its like? GET IT and pay back the credit card company soon so they don't keep raising our interest rates! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 6:13 am Subject: Re: More Spice?? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >An amusing anecdote to make up for the annoyance caused: > >When TD were touring and having to go across the Eastern Bloc > >borders, to assist their passage, they stashed some porno magazines > >amongst the gear - and when Customs came across them, these would be > >dutifully seized by the Customes Officers - usually with the result > >that the band could go on its way with out much hassle. The currency > >of bribery comes in many forms! > > Is this true? Where did you read this? I've heard this about a number of bands, Scott. It seems to have been fairly common practice. Cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 6:28 am Subject: Re: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Really-From: Mark Filipak > Steven Feldman wrote [a bunch of > misinformation]: > - snip rant about The Orb remix - > According to Lars: TD and The Orb never met, and The Orb submitted > two remixes, one of which Edgar *rejected*. I guess Sequel forced him > to go with at least *one* of them since The Orb and TD are both on that > label The Orb is not on the Sequel label. Sequel is the North American branch of Castle Communications (the EU branch is called Essential). The Orb is signed to Island Records I believe (subsidiary of Polygram?). I don't believe that TD is signed to Castle Communications either, but just has a distribution agreement with them. I'm pretty sure TD is 'their own man' now (TDI). Besides, I don't think Castle is into signing bands and is just a album retreading operation like Jive was (Jive was a jazz reissue house). > (sort of like the case where some of TD's catalogue is now in the > hands of Windham Hill, hee hee). How could the PR flacks at Sequel be > so clueless as to release such a piece of drek, though? I mean, > hardcore techno fans might actually be able to get a cheap thrill from > listening to a metronome set on top of a grand piano--and hardcore > ambient (an oxymoron?) fans might be able to bliss out at the > laundromat (listening to the hum of the tumbling clothes: hey, who says > Beavis and Butthead have cornered the market on stupid?), but that > shouldn't mean that they have no taste whatsoever! Huh? > There *is* one more possibility, though: the record-buying public > at large might think that the remix is good whereas TD's original is > overly melodic, old school electronics--with none of the 'old school > charm' (i.e. analogue sounds). Am I way off base, here? (In a way, > I sort of hope so.) To each his own, eh Steve? -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 6:37 am Subject: Re: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > ... > I'll have to say that over all the excitement in Orb's music, > I decided to give this group a try.. > ... only bought the thing 3 days ago.. um.. er.. 'Orbvs Terramvm??' > close enough.. > It was in my hands once.. after 75 minutes (really! a 75 minute CD.. :) > of garbaged non-relating noises and thumps of bass.. continuing in > every direction except the direction of order and sense, I sent the > lil' disk back where it came from. Try the older stuff from The Orb, specifically, 'The Orbs Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld' and 'U.F.Orb'. Nice stuff. Dr. Alex Patterson seems to have lost his way in the last few years and I agree with you about 'Orbus..' BTW, anybody know exactly what AP is a doctor of? Cheers -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4034 Re: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Sean Montgomery Tue 5/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 6:41 am Subject: Re: 34138--SPAMtm? Update Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... > > So who's gonna hire Andre Morris? Hormel? > > BTW, does anyone know if spamming of such caliber from an AOL account > counts as seeking work if you are unemployed and receiving unemployment > compensation. Update: I forwarded this SPAM to the postmaster at AOL. It was a commercial resume shotgun operation and AOL has shut it down. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 3:53 pm Subject: Bounce vs Digest (No TD - Help Needed] Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Yesterday, I subscribed in Digest mode (for an experiment) and continued in bounce mode too. The digest I got this morning has far more messages in it than the messages I get via bounce. For example, Michael's question relating to 'World Without Rules' (which I can't help with) did not appear in bounce mode, only in digest. Is this a common problem (Dave?) or does it represent down-time of the server which doesn't bother to catch up with itself? Thanks for any help, --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4025 Re: Bounce vs Digest (No TD - Help Needed] Mark Filipak Tue 5/20/1997 3 KB 4028 Re: Bounce vs Digest (No TD - Help Needed] David Datta Tue 5/20/1997 2 KB 4029 Re: Bounce vs Digest (No TD - Help Needed] Craig R. J. Cordrey Tue 5/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 9:14 am Subject: Bribery! Really-From: ashok prema You wrote: rom: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:35:00 -0400 Subject: RE: More Spice?? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >An amusing anecdote to make up for the annoyance caused: >When TD were touring and having to go across the Eastern Bloc borders, to >assist their passage, they stashed some porno magazines amongst the gear > - and when Customs came across them, these would be dutifully seized by the >Customes Officers - usually with the result that the band could go on its >way with out much hassle. The currency of bribery comes in many forms! Is this true? Where did you read this? Scott '' It came from Chris one evening when he came over for dinner at my small single bedroom flat back in 198..... something - we'd been to see the preview of 'The Keep' a couple of nights before. Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4026 Re: Bribery! Grant Middleton Tue 5/20/1997 3 KB 4089 Re: Bribery! Brent Carter Tue 5/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 9:40 am Subject: Re: Bounce vs Digest (No TD - Help Needed] Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > Yesterday, I subscribed in Digest mode (for an experiment) > and continued in bounce mode too. > > The digest I got this morning has far more messages in it > than the messages I get via bounce. For example, Michael's > question relating to 'World Without Rules' (which I can't > help with) did not appear in bounce mode, only in digest. I subscribe to both also (handy). I got Michael's question regarding 'WWR' by bounce so I think the problem is with your mail hook up. Hope this helps -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 9:50 am Subject: Re: Bribery! Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: ashok prema > > It came from Chris one evening when he came over for dinner at my small > single bedroom flat back in 198..... something - we'd been to see the > preview of 'The Keep' a couple of nights before. Wwwwooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww ! You lucky dog. I'm not talking to you any more. :( -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 12:05 pm Subject: D:list Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dennis asked where we were on the D: list -- I had to post this week's discussion topic last week since I didn't know if I'd have a chance to post it now ... Here's your answer: (last week was the Shepherd's Bush CD (sorry if there was any confusion) This week: May 19: Tangents Coming Soon: May 26: Three Phase June 2: Video Dream Mixes June 9: Open discussion week June 16: D:solo list begins / Vic Rek takes over as EJ Lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4053 Re: D:list Brent Carter Tue 5/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 1:05 pm Subject: Re: Bounce vs Digest (No TD - Help Needed] Really-From: David Datta In article <5lrpnm$s64$1@n...> you wrote: : Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' : The digest I got this morning has far more messages in it : than the messages I get via bounce. For example, Michael's : question relating to 'World Without Rules' (which I can't : help with) did not appear in bounce mode, only in digest. : : Is this a common problem (Dave?) or does it represent : down-time of the server which doesn't bother to catch up : with itself? Well, I read via bounce mode forwarded through a local newsgroup. I saw the question about WWR here. I have noticed a bunch of bounced messages from your address in the past. It is probably being lost along the way. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 9:21 pm Subject: Re: Bounce vs Digest (No TD - Help Needed] Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: David Datta > Well, I read via bounce mode forwarded through a local newsgroup. I > saw the question about WWR here. I have noticed a bunch of bounced > messages from your address in the past. It is probably being lost along > the way. > Thanks Dave (and to you too, Mark). I'll have a word with the administrator at this end and see if he has any ideas. I'll keep with the digest at the moment too to make sure I don't miss anything. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 1:27 pm Subject: Re: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Really-From: Brian Frick tadream mailing list wrote: > BTW, anybody know exactly what AP is a doctor of? > > Cheers -- Mark Yeah - hemp. Drugs. He's fried his brain ;-) He's no doctor, really, it just sounds good. -- Later! -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 1:47 pm Subject: KS picture Music Really-From: Michael A Jean I liked it.... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 1:50 pm Subject: Maggie Reilly Really-From: Michael A Jean Here's an off the wall suggestion for a potential vocalist for TD... WHOA! What do you think???? 8^D MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4064 Re: Maggie Reilly Steve Yensen Tue 5/20/1997 2 KB 4085 Re: Maggie Reilly Jens Peschke Tue 5/20/1997 2 KB 4103 Re: Maggie Reilly gary.cresswell1@v... Wed 5/21/1997 2 KB 4107 Re: Maggie Reilly Grant Middleton Wed 5/21/1997 3 KB 4138 Maggie Reilly Klaus Beschorner Thu 5/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 3:19 pm Subject: Re: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Really-From: David Datta : Really-From: Mark Filipak : BTW, anybody know exactly what AP is a doctor of? He isn't a doctor. If you look, it is always written D.R. I have something at home that says what the initials stand for. I will try & remember to look. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 3:27 pm Subject: Re: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Try the older stuff from The Orb, specifically, 'The Orbs Adventures > Beyond the Ultraworld' I totally agree here. I mean, it's not Tangerine Dream, but so what? It succeeds on its own terms. I also like the new single 'Toxygene', even if it has a disposable pop quality to it. As far as the Mandarin Cream remix itself goes, I found it diappointing. To be sure, The Orb have always obliterated the songs they've remixed, but I had hoped for something a bit more imaginative, something that would impose some melodic structure on the Orb's characteristic bloops and swirly sounds. But obliterate the original song they did, turning it into something that sounds like an outtake from Orblivion. I'm not sure it'll make anyone happy. Very few Ambient/Electronica fans give a toss about current TD (except for the Dream Mixes, perhaps), and TD fans seem to be ganging up on The Orb. I imagine this means that Edgar will be even less likely to let others tamper with TD music now. Which is sort of a shame. I think the two camps could learn from each other. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 8:32 pm Subject: Re: D:Limited World Tour Edition 1997 Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Mon, 19 May 1997 22:07:33 -0400 (EDT) tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Vic Rek > > >Being States-side, I had to import (Lars' Imports) my tour CD single (along >with most any other music I purchase). I received it today and I like it. >First of all, the single is not titled 'Das Madchen..' like I've seen >mentioned before. As far as I know, there _was_ a CD single titled 'Das Maedchen...' which contained yet more remixes, and was released before TD started touring. >It is simply titled 'Limited World Tour Edition 1997' and >has 3 tracks: > >1. Maedchen on the Stairs (Rien ne va plus - sunset radio mix) >2. Maedchen on the Stairs (Rien ne va plus - sunrise club mix) >3. Order of the Ginger Glid > >I never really cared for the 'Madchen..' music, so in this case I think the >remixes are superior to the originals. I can finally enjoy them! This is a >rare occasion for me indeed! So Edgar, if you hear me, send me that promo >CD of this stuff! Funny though, that TD go out of their way to re-mix a song that was itself a remix of 'White Eagle', isn't it?? I don't think I'll ever see the point in that. I agree that the remixes on the Limited World Tour CD are quite nice, anyway. >This maxi single comes in a slimeline case and has a cover similar to TOB. >The disc is unique in that it is clear on the outer diameter and the inner >part is painted with the new TDI logo which also allows for the music to be >read by your CD player. Looks nice, eh?? I wonder why it has only been so recently that they rediscovered the logo which initially appeared on the 'Tyger' LP...it appears in the web pages as an animated logo now, and the only slightly different TDI logo is about everywhere from the Oasis cover to the World Tour Teeshirt. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 8:38 pm Subject: Re: Franke on DRC disc 5 Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Mon, 19 May 1997 13:49:37 -0700 (MST) tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: dbrewer@a... > >I think that this music just gives us a little hint of what he was about >to do after leaving TD. This music was written and recorded what, about a >year and 8 months before he left? That's not a lot of time. Who knows how >long Franke was tinkering with his own music before he finally left? Even >parts of some of the 1985-87 TD soundtracks seem to hint what he going >to do solo... Just some ramblings. :-) > > Dave Brewer Franke never did any solo recordings while he was a member of TD, either...so it could well be that the music on DRC is his _personal_ style of the time that he was still in TD. As a member of a group consisting of two more people, though, this style was never fully reflected in the TD works. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 4:45 pm Subject: Re: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-05-19 21:16:32 EDT, you write: << By the way, the CD that comes with the magazine included a song by Gong ( Toxygene ). Not a song that will make history indeed!!. >> gong has a song called toxygene also? the reason i ask is that this was the first single of the orblivion album... 1) The Orb hates Tangerine Dream and therefore turned in a real piece > of crud as a statement re what they think of TD fine, but why would td release it then? > 2) Tangerine Dream hates The Orb and saw to it that their remix was a > travesty so as to perpetuate the notion that TD are ambient Elder > Statesmen whereas The Orb are second generation wannabees. but how would anyone be able to tell based on this 'travesty'? i mean, i agree that this 'experiment' was not the best, but if i have to question anyones motivations, it has to be tds, because the disc is being released under their name... tom w np: herbert - 100lbs. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 10:16 pm Subject: Alpha Centauri - Julian Cope Really-From: Dennis Nigbur Hello Dreamers, Regarding the email about Alpha Centauri, YEP....JULIAN COPE - THE MUSICIAN (AND DRUDE) DID WRITE THE SLEEVE NOTES for those of you who are interested! Check out the 2O Mothers album and listen to the track 'Leli B' - there's a definite influence there. Another thing.......Julian Cope is BRILLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Julia. (Dennis's girlfriend, who likes Julian Cope) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 5:46 pm Subject: New tour dates UK Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' The TD webpage says: And we are also proud to announce the third leg of the Tour in 1997: Sat, 11/01/97NottinghamRoyal Concert HallSun, 11/02/97LeedsTown & Country ClubMon, 11/03/97GlasgowRoyal Concert HallWed, 11/05/97BirminghamSymphony HallThu, 11/06/97LondonShepherds Bush EmpireSat, 11/08/97ManchesterApolloSun, 11/09/97BristolColston Hall Good news for the brits, he :) Jens Peschke Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4041 Re: New tour dates UK Brent Carter Tue 5/20/1997 2 KB 4097 Re: New tour dates UK Matt Williams Wed 5/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: British tour dates Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hi folks, I'm on digest these days, so apologies if this has been posted already (from TD Webpage). They mention on the page thatthe UK dates are tentative. Funny that the planned London concert is on the exact date of the 15-year anniversary of the London Logos Dominion concert..... The venue for the Athens concert sounds interesting, too (an old gas factory).... Oh well, us USA-ers will have to look ahead to 1998 it seems. :-( --John --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ - ----------------- And we are also proud to announce the third leg of the Tour in 1997: Sat, 11/01/97 Nottingham Royal Concert Hall Sun, 11/02/97 Leeds Town & Country Club Mon, 11/03/97 Glasgow Royal Concert Hall Wed, 11/05/97 Birmingham Symphony Hall Thu, 11/06/97 London Shepherds Bush Empire Sat, 11/08/97 Manchester Apollo Sun, 11/09/97 Bristol Colston Hall Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4042 Re: British tour dates Brent Carter Tue 5/20/1997 2 KB 4088 Re: British tour dates Greg Heil Tue 5/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 6:21 pm Subject: Re: New tour dates UK Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 6:51 pm Subject: Re: British tour dates Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 6:17 pm Subject: Unbelievable! Really-From: Michael A Jean Well, It looks like somebody just had to go and file a complaint with the system administrator here at the University over my experiment. Why don't you just state your concerns an open forum to test their validity? Apparently some people need to pay a visit to a mental health practioner... There are several available at my agency should you need a referral... MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4044 Re: Unbelievable! Brent Carter Tue 5/20/1997 2 KB 4111 Re: Unbelievable! anunes@m... Wed 5/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 6:59 pm Subject: Re: Unbelievable! Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:01 pm Subject: Re(2): New tour dates UK Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:08 pm Subject: Re: Alpha Centauri - Julian Copeope Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:11 pm Subject: Re(2): D:Limited World Tour Edition 1997dition 1997 Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:11 pm Subject: Re(2): Franke on DRC disc 5 Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:10 pm Subject: Re(2): Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:11 pm Subject: Re(2): Bounce vs Digest (No TD - Help NeeD - Help Needed] Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4052 Re(2): Bounce vs Digest (No TD - Help NeeD - Help Brent Carter Tue 5/20/1997 2 KB 4094 Re(2): Bounce vs Digest (No TD - Help NeeD - Help Brent Carter Tue 5/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:11 pm Subject: Re(2): Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4054 Re(2): Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:11 pm Subject: Re(2): Bounce vs Digest (No TD - Help NeeD - Help Needed] Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:11 pm Subject: Re: D:list Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:15 pm Subject: Re(2): Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:16 pm Subject: Re: Back to the Universe Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:15 pm Subject: Re(2): More Spice?? Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:16 pm Subject: Re(2): Getting into debt with TD TD Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:15 pm Subject: Re(2): Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:15 pm Subject: Re(2): 34138--SPAMtm? Update Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:16 pm Subject: Re: D:Limited World Tour Edition 1997ion 1997 Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: How Many TD Videos Are There? Anyone Got a List? Really-From: Steven Feldman How many videos have TD made? I'm talking about stuff made for MTV (or VH-1, at least)--whether it was ever released commercially or got got any airplay or not--and stuff made for video projects like CANYON DREAMS, MANDELA, and OASIS. I'm asking this because I just saw the following quote in a review of MTV's 'Amp' show which ran in the May 16, 1997 (Arts Section, p. 9) issue of the BOSTON PHOENIX: [written by Dan Tobin:] | The real beauty, though, is that this is essentially electronica's |grand presentation to the masses. Sure, MTV played the Chemical |Brothers' 'Setting Sun' and Prodigy, but AMP marks the first program |wholly dedicated to the genre and its history. 'As much as we can, we |tip our hats to the old school,' says [AMP creator and producer Todd |Mueller], who boasts of playing German electro-pioneers Kraftwerk as |much as British torch carriers the Chemical Brothers. Groan. Playing Kraftwerk on MTV is not exactly an unprecedented event. It was played on MTV's late lamented 120 MINUTES show fairly often. I wonder what 'old school' videos besides 'Pump Up the Volume' by MARRS [which is also mentioned in the article as getting play on AMP] Mueller could be referring to. ;) ;) There ain't much. And Kraftwerk gets airplay partly for the goof factor and partly because the videos are cyberpunk of a sort. So, what TD videos exist that could be shown on AMP? Are there any tracks from CANYON DREAMS or OASIS that stand a chance? Is there a video from 'Dolls in the Shadow' or 'Touchwood' or 'Catwalk'? I would think that perhaps 'Phaedra' from THREE PHASE could be used. It's a live version of a seminal 'old school' LP, after all. ;) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4066 Re: How Many TD Videos Are There? Anyone Got a L dbrewer@a... Tue 5/20/1997 2 KB 4077 Re: How Many TD Videos Are There? Anyone Got a L Sean Montgomery Tue 5/20/1997 3 KB 4099 Re: How Many TD Videos Are There? Anyone Got a L Mark Filipak Wed 5/21/1997 2 KB 4116 Re: How Many TD Videos Are There? Anyone Got a L Erik Sanborn Wed 5/21/1997 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:22 pm Subject: Re(2): British tour dates Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:28 pm Subject: Re(3): New tour dates UK Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 3:27 am Subject: Re: Maggie Reilly Really-From: Steve Yensen tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > Here's an off the wall suggestion for a potential vocalist for TD... > > WHOA! What do you think???? > > 8^D > > MJ Wasn't she the one who did all the work with Mike Oldfield? Steve. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:29 pm Subject: Re(2): Unbelievable! Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:35 pm Subject: Re: How Many TD Videos Are There? Anyone Got a List? Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Steven Feldman > > > How many videos have TD made? I'm talking about stuff made for MTV > (or VH-1, at least)--whether it was ever released commercially or got There was a video made for Melrose, and I think that the Dolls in the Shadow segment on 3 Phase used some of that footage. I dunno about any other videos... Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:39 pm Subject: Re(3): Bounce vs Digest (No TD - Help NeeD - Help NeeD - Help Needed] Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4075 Re(3): Bounce vs Digest (No TD - Help NeeD - Help Brent Carter Tue 5/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:39 pm Subject: Re(3): D:Limited World Tour Edition 1997ddition 1997dition 1997 Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:39 pm Subject: Re(2): Alpha Centauri - Julian Copeopen Copeope Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:43 pm Subject: Re(3): Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4072 Re(3): Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:43 pm Subject: Re(2): D:list Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:43 pm Subject: Re(3): Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:43 pm Subject: Re(3): Franke on DRC disc 5 Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:43 pm Subject: Re(3): Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4082 ARRRRRRGGH!!! Sean Montgomery Tue 5/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:43 pm Subject: Re(3): Bounce vs Digest (No TD - Help NeeD - Help NeeD - Help Needed] Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:53 pm Subject: Re(3): British tour dates Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:48 pm Subject: Re: How Many TD Videos Are There? Anyone Got a List? Really-From: Sean Montgomery > So, what TD videos exist that could be shown on AMP? Are there > any tracks from CANYON DREAMS or OASIS that stand a chance? Is there > a video from 'Dolls in the Shadow' or 'Touchwood' or 'Catwalk'? I'd think that one of the Dream Mixes videos might qualify...San Rocco? I have seen videos for 'Tiergarten' and 'Optical Race' with my own eyes, although I would cringe to see Optical race on an 'electronica' show. There is also a Melrose video somewhere, the only evidence of which is seen on the album cover, and the 'Three Dolls in the Shadow' segment of Three Phase. I could see Phaedra qualifying as old-school, but a) the version on Three-Phase is the Tangentized version and b) The video sucks. Why can't a band as creative as TD get better videos put together for them? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:51 pm Subject: Re: How Many TD Videos Are There? Anyoneere? Anyone Got a List? Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:59 pm Subject: Re(3): Unbelievable! Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 8:00 pm Subject: Re(4): New tour dates UK Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:43 pm Subject: Re(3): More Spice?? Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 8:05 pm Subject: ARRRRRRGGH!!! Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) Brent, Barry, whoever you are.....give it a rest, for crying out loud! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 8:20 pm Subject: D:Tangents (CD5) Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Hi dreamers ! Although it seems that there´s not much interest in D:Tangents on the list I wanna review the CD5: CD5 (Previously Unreleased Material) 1 Vulcano (E. Froese) Typical solo E. -the boring- Froese (like ages) Material for 1 min runs 4:42 (wipe it out!) 2 The Jogger (Froese/Schmoelling) TD goes Popcorn. Sweet kid tune. 4:01 (4us2 skip) 3 South Dakota (E. Froese) Very familiar tune (really unreleased ?) The best on it is the running time 3:22 (2AS) 4 Coppercoast (E. Froese) Diamond Diary sequencer line (Wow !) More of this Edgar ! 5:17 (3AS, cause its not really PUM) 5 Great Barrier Reef (E. Froese) Nice to have 3:59 (2AS) 6 The Night at Ayers Rock (E. Froese) Good night, Mr. E. -tb- Froese Huuuuuhhhhaaaawwhhh 3:18 (to short to fall asleep :<) 7 Afternoon on the Nile (E. Froese) Back to complex sequencer lines ! 6:54 (3AS) 8 Crane Routing (E.Froese) More of Mr. Edgars PUM - not really bad 5:55(no comment) 9 Silver Scale (E. Froese/Franke) Oh Chris, how I miss you :) Diamond Diary sequ lines part two enhanced with extra bass line and new variations. My fav track ! Chris Franke - the master of sequ lines !!! 12:50 (4AS) 10 Jamaican Monk (E. Froese/Schmoelling) Drums & percussion + new ideas ! Seems not to be pre 83. 5:35 (3-4AS) Unfortunely the CD5 comes with CD4 in a douple CD box - otherwise I would maybe offer it to the list. ---- No I never would ---- I´m a collector :) Please Edgar, don´t release more of your solo PUM stuff (asuming this is your best PUM) Stop it !!!! now. Jens Peschke PS: I really love CD1-4 CD: FSP - Impulse Fav TD-CD´s: Ricochet/Encore, Tangram, Dream Mixes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 8:34 pm Subject: Re: ARRRRRRGGH!!! Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' I tried to help Brent with the infos to unsubcribe the tadream-list but his machine answer every mail automatically. You can´t stop that silly guy him with an email. Jens Peschke CD: FSP - Impulse Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4090 Re: ARRRRRRGGH!!! GrafZeigen@a... Tue 5/20/1997 2 KB 4095 Re: ARRRRRRGGH!!! Jens Peschke Tue 5/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 8:37 pm Subject: Re: Maggie Reilly Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Wasn't she the one who did all the work with Mike Oldfield? > > Steve. She did some - not all. He worked with his sister sally too. Jens Peschke CD: FSP - Impulse From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:43 pm Subject: Re(2): Back to the Universe Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:44 pm Subject: Re(3): 34138--SPAMtm? Update Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:27 pm Subject: Re: British tour dates Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Hello... Just an observation.. but.. 'Logos' told me to 'Wake Up!' 'Rockoon' told me to 'Go to sleep.' Just been thinking about this.. Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:12 pm Subject: Re: Bribery! Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 9:16 pm Subject: Re: ARRRRRRGGH!!! Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-20 17:09:23 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) Brent, Barry, whoever you are.....give it a rest, for crying out loud! >> NO S**T!! I haven't had anything else all day! I even mailed him personally to tell him how to get off the list correctly (you know) but got the same message back! Must conclude it's some kind of a warped NUT! Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:11 pm Subject: Re(2): Bribery! Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:12 pm Subject: Re: Bounce vs Digest (No TD - Help Needed Help Needed] Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 9:34 pm Subject: Re: GREEN D, ZONING, D ROOTS, and OASIS Recorded *When*? Really-From: stephan bischoff At 13:18 19.05.97 EDT, Steven Feldman wrote: > Sigh. After listening to OASIS and then noticing that the credits >list the CD's contents as having been composed in 1996, I dug out the >OASIS video and checked the date on the box to make sure: yep, the date >listed is 1991. I called up Lars and asked him about this. If I recall >correctly, he says he talked to Edgar about this after one of the shows >he attended and Edgar said something to the effect that the guy who >filmed the stuff that wound up on OASIS is also the guy who filmed the >NATURAL STATES, CANYON DREAMS, and TRUE NORTH videos for Miramar--and >that snippets of film from OASIS appear on some Miramar videos. It >seems that this guy stopped doing business with Miramar at some point, >and that the material for OASIS was shot (and copyrighted?) in 1991. My guess is that the Oasis video was released in 1991 with non-TD music and a running time of 1 hour. Pay attention to the two stickers: The silver star-shaped on the upper front cover saying 'Music by TD' and the small one on the backside just _below_ the text '1 Hour Hi-Fi Stereo' reading '45 Minutes Hi-Fi Stereo Digitally Mastered'. Both must have been attached later, after adding the TD music. Camera One was actually to lame to print new cover! Dream on, Stephan _____ __________________________________________________________ / || \ |E-mail|| Stephan.Bischoff@H... | \_____||____________________________________________________ | / || | | Home ||http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/index.html | \_____||__________________________________________________________/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 7:12 pm Subject: Re(2): Bounce vs Digest (No TD - Help NeeD - Help Needed] Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) I have been attached to 100's of mailing lists without my knowledge or consent. 3 separat e sites have confirmed the source of this attack:(peer cross checked as: [194.177.96.104]) Admins: Please remove me from these lists. barry@s... À From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 9:48 pm Subject: Re: ARRRRRRGGH!!! Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... > > > In a message dated 97-05-20 17:09:23 EDT, you write: > > << Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > Really-From: barry@s... (Brent Carter) > > Brent, Barry, whoever you are.....give it a rest, for crying out loud! > >> > NO S**T!! I haven't had anything else all day! I even mailed him personally > to tell him how to get off the list correctly (you know) but got the same > message back! Must conclude it's some kind of a warped NUT! > Graf I tried to locate the nameserver of that NUT, the last hint was in UUNET in canada ! Maybe this could help someone to stop him ? Is someone able to use a remailer (masking the own email adress with the NUT ones) to unsubscribe the NUT ? I really hate having that dumb echo !!! tracert ns.softarc.com tracing ns.softarc.com [198.133.37.11] [routers from hanover to london - snip] 9 210 ms 191 ms 210 ms Fddi0-0.BR1.LND1.Alter.Net [146.188.30.225] 10 311 ms 320 ms 331 ms 167.Hssi4-0.CR1.BOS1.Alter.Net [137.39.69.186] 11 361 ms 330 ms 321 ms 103.Hssi3-0.GW1.BUF1.Alter.Net [137.39.69.30] 12 340 ms 331 ms 330 ms uunetcabuf-gw1.ALTER.NET [137.39.142.6] 13 360 ms 361 ms 340 ms vl151.f000.bb1.tor1.uunet.ca [205.150.242.94] 14 340 ms 331 ms 350 ms 205.150.221.126 15 330 ms 321 ms 350 ms 192.197.158.194 16 350 ms 381 ms 350 ms NS.SOFTARC.COM [198.133.37.11] Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 20, 1997 10:23 pm Subject: Barry the bonehead Really-From: David Datta I removed him from the list about 3 hours ago, he has an automated mail-bomb set up. I am not filtering out all mail from him. It should stop the flow. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: New tour dates UK Really-From: Matt Williams >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >The TD webpage says: >And we are also proud to announce the third leg of the Tour in 1997: >Sat, 11/01/97NottinghamRoyal Concert HallSun, >11/02/97LeedsTown & Country ClubMon, >11/03/97GlasgowRoyal Concert HallWed, >11/05/97BirminghamSymphony HallThu, >11/06/97LondonShepherds Bush EmpireSat, >11/08/97ManchesterApolloSun, >11/09/97BristolColston Hall >Good news for the brits, he :) >Jens Peschke YES!!!!!! This is indeed great news for us Brits,I was starting to think the S.Bush gig was the only chance we would have to see them for a while......the dates are near my 25th birthday too so that should make a cool present :). I live nearer to Manchester but I enjoyed S.Bush so much I might go there instead,its a cool little theatre and you get to feel real close to the band,the people there were cool too!. Roll on November Matt.... MATTHEW WILLIAMS EMAIL: matt@s... 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 1:54 am Subject: Weird noises in Logos Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' After reading the never-ending discussions of what certain sounds are 'saying' on TD album's I found this on the website for Logos: On Logos, live in London, TD used the first sampling unit ever. Listen to the 2nd quarter of Logos- Part I and pay attention to the line 'Wake-up!'. So it is 'wake up!' Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4100 Re: Weird noises in Logos feldon@n... Wed 5/21/1997 2 KB 4106 Re: Weird noises in Logos Grant Middleton Wed 5/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 2:04 am Subject: Re: How Many TD Videos Are There? Anyone Got a List? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > How many videos have TD made? I'm talking about stuff made for > MTV (or VH-1, at least)--whether it was ever released commercially or > got got any airplay or not--and stuff made for video projects like > CANYON DREAMS, MANDELA, and OASIS. MANDELA? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 6:24 am Subject: Re: Weird noises in Logos Really-From: feldon@n... At 09:54 PM 5/20/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >After reading the never-ending discussions of what certain sounds are >'saying' on TD album's I found this on the website for Logos: > >On Logos, live in London, TD used the first sampling unit ever. Listen >to > the 2nd quarter of Logos- Part I and pay attention to the line >'Wake-up!'. This discussion has been so funny to me, because that's what I thought it said all along... honest! Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 6:33 am Subject: D:Hyperborea Really-From: feldon@n... I thought I'd be a little unorthodox and do a post with guaranteed 100% Tangerine Dream content! Anyway... I purchased Hyperborea, listened to it twice (front to back) and then put it down, wondering why I purchased it. (before you hit DELETE, there's lots of positive stuff coming up soon...) First of all, I already had Tangents... Secondly, my initial reaction to track 4 was, 'hmm... a 15 minute preview to the Poland concert.' So I went back to playing Logos, Logos Set One (a CD-R I made of a fantape), and Poland 2CD... non-stop, mind you! Well, I put Hyperborea back in yesterday, and my reactions so far have been quite different. Yes, track 4 (Sphinx Lightning?) has a few themes underlying in Poland, but it does stand on its own right... By the way, I recognize the 'piano/harpsichord slam' sound on this song from the first note heard on Poland before the announcer starts talking, anyone know if they played a snippet of Sphinx Lightning before the concert as a Soundcheck? Anyway, from 1:45 to 4:30 is really cool, especially the drumbeat, sort of technoey, just like from 15:45-20:15 of Horizon (Poland disc 2)... So what's my opinion on the whole disc? I give it a 4AS... I really like it, but still think it was a 'relaxer' between Logos and Poland. ----------- Morgan feldon@n... ---------- Sorry to interrupt the flow of which disc is which week, but I felt I could do my part to try to balance against the spice girls stuff... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4102 Re: D:Hyperborea Greg Heil Wed 5/21/1997 3 KB 4105 Re: D:Hyperborea Grant Middleton Wed 5/21/1997 3 KB 4112 Re: D:Hyperborea TangerineC@a... Wed 5/21/1997 2 KB 4115 Re: D:Hyperborea Vic Rek Wed 5/21/1997 3 KB 4131 Re: D:Hyperborea Rakinik Intertype Thu 5/22/1997 3 KB 4143 Re: D:Hyperborea feldon@n... Thu 5/22/1997 2 KB 4149 Re: D:Hyperborea Amatodo@a... Thu 5/22/1997 2 KB 4152 Re: D:Hyperborea Rakinik Intertype (DJS) Fri 5/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 6:23 am Subject: Re: D:Hyperborea Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Well, I put Hyperborea back in yesterday, and my reactions so far have been > quite different. I was quite surprised at first also when I got this album a couple months ago. I thought the first track.. is something that Tangerine Dream 'dreamed' of making in their earlier years (sort of that Indian/pshycodelic era) as Castle's sleeve notes agree that it's a look back upon those years. 'Sphinx Lighting' to me, has some good development, but I thought the transitions are too subtle--looking for the wonderful Tangram and Logos transitions that are not present or not developed enough. So this means to me, it's hard to stay very focused through the entire track as it gently moves into new areas. But I do like the entire album.. even if the thrid track stuck out like a sore thumb as did two of the 'songs within the 2nd track' on Poland. I like it! But over too fast for me! Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 4:15 pm Subject: Re: Maggie Reilly Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > > Wasn't she the one who did all the work with Mike Oldfield? > > > > Steve. > She did some - not all. He worked with his sister sally too. > > Jens Peschke > CD: FSP - Impulse Gotta dissagree with you here Dont think I could put up with Maggie Reilly on a TD album (although I quite like Moonlit Shadow by M.Oldfield) Now My suggestion for a vocalist worthy of TD would have to be Liz Frasier of the Cocteau Twins. Gaza PS YES YES YES TD COME TO THE UK. Birningham Symphony hall here I come From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 8:47 am Subject: TD Tour Really-From: ashok prema >The TD webpage says: >And we are also proud to announce the third leg of the Tour in 1997: >Sat, 11/01/97NottinghamRoyal Concert HallSun, >11/02/97LeedsTown & Country ClubMon, >11/03/97GlasgowRoyal Concert HallWed, >11/05/97BirminghamSymphony HallThu, >11/06/97LondonShepherds Bush EmpireSat, >11/08/97ManchesterApolloSun, >11/09/97BristolColston Hall But the days don't match the dates!! eg 5th November is NOT a Thursday! Hope they get this sorted! See you at the Bush again Dave?? - or are you going to the Glasgow /Manchester one?? Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10865 TD Tour KRAUSENECKS Fri 2/6/1998 2 KB 10868 Re: TD Tour TWeibre361@a... Fri 2/6/1998 2 KB 10873 Re: TD Tour DAVENTURA@a... Fri 2/6/1998 3 KB 17153 Re: TD Tour Plumer, Scott Thu 7/8/1999 1 KB 29121 TD Tour Liondream@a... Mon 9/17/2001 2 KB 29132 Re: TD Tour Michael A Jean Tue 9/18/2001 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 9:14 am Subject: Re: D:Hyperborea Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: feldon@n... > > Anyway... I purchased Hyperborea, listened to it twice (front to back) and > then put it down, wondering why I purchased it. (before you hit DELETE, > there's lots of positive stuff coming up soon...) I must admit that I was very unimpressed with Hyperborea when I got it (when it came out !) Apart from 'No Man's Land', I really couldn't get into any of the tracks. For me, NML was the only focussed track on the whole disc. And that's the way it's stayed. As studio albums go, it's one of the few Virgin ones I wouldn't care if I never heard again. Not the classic that many (most ?) Tadream members would make it out to be. -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 9:22 am Subject: Re: Weird noises in Logos Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > So it is 'wake up!' > Aparently, it's a sample from a Godley and Creme album which uses the 'Gizmo' (a guitar bowing device) intensely. I can't remember the name of the album, but I'm sure I heard this first on Tadream. Perhaps another list member could back this up. The 'aaargh' sound which appears at 16:37 on the SBM (ironically, one of the best 'TD sounds' of all time) is supposed to come from the same album. -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 9:30 am Subject: Re: Maggie Reilly Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... > > Gotta dissagree with you here Dont think I could put up with Maggie > Reilly on a TD album (although I quite like Moonlit Shadow by M.Oldfield) > Now My suggestion for a vocalist worthy of TD would have to be Liz > Frasier of the Cocteau Twins. I agree that Liz Fraser is more suited to electronic music, but in saying that, I don't think I could stand any vocals in TD. 'Cyclone' is different because I see it as a space rock/prog rock album featuring Edgar and Chris on keyboards, not as a TD album. When I heard Tyger, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. I ended up laughing and deciding never to buy another CD by a band who could turn out such drivel. I've never regretted that decision (Coefficient of Aural Expansion I & II doesn't count). > PS YES YES YES TD COME TO THE UK. Birningham Symphony hall here I come Glasgow Concert Hall, here I don't come. It might be only 50 miles away, but it's too far to justify. Now, Jean Michel Jarre on the other hand.... -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 12:53 pm Subject: New Age Music Made Simple Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' This article written by Stephen Hill (creator of Hearts of Space) on new age music (in its broadest sense) is available at the URL :- http://www.hos.com/simple.html It's well worth a read for justifying the music of TD to lesser mortals, and perhaps to help consolidate your own reasons for liking them. For the record, I'd put myself in the 'Spacey' category. 8-) -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: MANDELA was a Japanese HDTV event. Really-From: Steven Feldman >Re: How Many TD Videos Are There? Anyone Got a List? >Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 19:04:26 -0700 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >tadream mailing list wrote: >> Really-From: Steven Feldman >> >> How many videos have TD made? I'm talking about stuff made for >> MTV (or VH-1, at least)--whether it was ever released commercially or >> got got any airplay or not--and stuff made for video projects like >> CANYON DREAMS, MANDELA, and OASIS. > >MANDELA? A one-hour meditative music video made for an HDTV broadcast in Japan. MANDELA is a variant of the word 'mandala,' or at least that's what I was told when I got the info about MANDELA. I don't recall what year it was shown. I seem to remember dimly that Matt Hargreaves knew something about this . . . or was it Elana Mell Beach??? 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Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-05-21 05:36:28 EDT, you write: << I wonder what 'old school' videos besides 'Pump Up the Volume' by MARRS [which is also mentioned in the article as getting play on AMP] Mueller could be referring to. ;) ;) There ain't much. >> i guess it depends on ur definition of 'old school'...ive seen gary numan, ultravox, early orb, schulze (in 'new school' garb), depeche mode, jarre, sakamoto, ymo, and yello to name some off the top of my head...true, not alot, but a breath of nostalgia nonetheless... tom w np: s.e.t.i. - the geometry of night From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 11:39 pm Subject: Re: Unbelievable! Really-From: anunes@m... I'm usually here in 'lurk mode', but I can't skip this subject without a comment. Just to say that I also appreciated Michael Jean's experiment, it was for a good cause. Curiously, I didn't receive the test messages at this address where I subscribe the bounce list, but I received them at ajogon@m... where I subscribe the digest version. Thanks Michael for your concern about the survival of the tadream list. Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 4:34 pm Subject: Re: D:Hyperborea Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-21 10:49:35 EDT, you write: >And that's the way it's stayed. As studio albums go, it's one of the >few Virgin ones I wouldn't care if I never heard again. Not the >classic that many (most ?) Tadream members would make it out to be. Yeah, but you have to admit. If Edgar started making this type of music again, we would all be poopin' our pants. Hyperborea is now classic TD. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Tape THE KEEP When It's on Local TV! -- A Plea Really-From: Steven Feldman This is a plea for a videotape of (the longer version of) THE KEEP that runs on local and/or network TV, i.e. not on cable. The version on regular TV has a 4 minute section at the end that does not appear on the videotape, the laserdisc, nor cable--and it contains the most intense music in the film. It would be really nice if the entire 11 minute end-sequence of the film was caught on videotape in the 2-hour (Short Play) mode in stereo for those of us who love this part--and for those who've never seen nor heard it. This film comes on regular TV about once a year. Someone is bound to catch it. If and when anybody does, please tell us that it's going to be on in advance if possible. ----- On another note, I just watched THE KEEP videotape for the first time--since having read the book--last night. It was really rather odd actually being able to understand how Michael Mann (the director) thinks inasmuch as I understood quite often how what he chose to film and how he chose to film it could and even should have worked in of itself--but how in the greater context of the entire film, it didn't really come together. I also was able to see where other parts of the film that had been filmed might have been chopped. For example, when the scene shifts to the weird pylons in the cavern below the keep--before showing Dr. Cuza rummaging for the talisman, there is an abrupt cut in the music. Also, when Magda Cuza comes to warn her father away from Molasar, she says, 'It [the talisman] belongs to Glaeken Trismegistis, not Molasar,' which is odd indeed, considering that neither of these names are ever uttered anywhere else in the film. I know someone who is a big fan of (Mann's) MIAMI VICE who has correspsonded with Mann a few times. I plan on writing Mann myself to see if he can restore THE KEEP and issue this version on laserdisk. After having read the book and seen the movie afterward it is plain to see that 'saving' this film from 'bomb' status wouldn't really be all that hard. Reportedly, test audiences laughed and booed and Mann came up with all sorts of alternate edits--none of which succeeded. I've been told that there are actually a total of nine different versions (i.e. edits) of THE KEEP film. The biggest problems are: 1) we aren't told who Glaeken and/or Molasar are, 2) we don't understand the motivation nor importance of Glaeken's tryst with Magda Cuza, 3) we aren't given a satisfying conclusion in that Glaeken's comment, 'When he [Molasar] dies, *I* die,' isn't really reconciled, and 4) we don't find out Molasar's real reason for feigning to be upset with the Nazis--which was to fool Dr. Cuza into thinking that his plight as a holocaust victim-to-be had any bearing whatsoever on his--that is, Molasar's--real concerns, which were the corruption of the world on a level higher than that of Hitler to begin with. In the book, Molasar--whose real name is Rasalom (the name spelled backwards)--was actually the last surviving champion of a race of extraterrestrial gods prefiguring Atlantis who corresponded roughly to 'Chaos Lords' (in the Moorcockian sense). Glaeken, in turn, was actually a man named Glenn who was the last of a line of champions called the Glaeken which did the bidding of 'Lords of Order' of a sort. Rasalom was made stronger than the Glaeken except for the Glaeken's sword, which was made up of a rune-inscribed sword blade without a handle that connect to the 'talisman' in the film which in the book was the handle itself. In a great sequence, we learn that Rasalom has been re-animating the corpses of the dead German soldiers nightly so that they may dig out the buried talisman from the dirt (not shale) of the cavern every night. Once the soldiers reach the talisman--about six or eight feet down, Cuza climbs down into the ditch to retrieve the handle for Rasalom, never suspecting that the handle is a handle, not what Rasalom said it was. Also, the crosses on the walls of the keep look more like a sword handle in the book (the symbol is used to separate sections of chapters in the book dozens of times), so when we learn that the talisman is actually the handle to the Glaeken's sword, it is a great revelation. During much of the book, Cuza is led to assume that Rasalom was a Romanian boyar loyal to Vlad Tepes, and that it was Rasalom who was responsible for the lore of vampirism in the Balkans, but this deception was merely a ruse to get Cuza to doubt his Jewish faith when Rasalom pretended to be afraid of a Christian cross. ----- Also . . . I noticed last night that the scene where Glaeken awakes in bed and then goes by sea to Romania has a version of 'Moorland' for its musical accompaniment. For those who never heard 'Moorland' (the B-side from the 'Daydream' 45--off the TATORT German TV show), this is close and quite nice. 'Moorland' is one of my top-fave TD tunes. Scrutinizing THE KEEP quite closely last night, I noticed that the music in the film differs greatly from that on the Blue Moon CD which claims to derive the bulk of its contents from a studio master tape. Still, it is odd that although there is a track called 'Brothers in Arms' on the Blue Moon CD, it definitely does not correspond to the scene where Glaeken carries Molasar in his arms inside the cavern below the keep (the 4 minute scene missing from the video, LD, and cable versions of the film). Also, why is 'Fisherman's Morning' (one of the tracks that was played over the air on a German radio show) named what it's named? The only boat that appears in the film is the one Glaeken goes to Romania in, and it is a variant of 'Moorland' that is played throughout, not 'Fisherman's Morning.' Strange. Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 12:53 pm Subject: noises Really-From: Michael Fox >Subject: Re: Weird noises in Logos > >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > >> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> >> So it is 'wake up!' >> > >Aparently, it's a sample from a Godley and Creme album which uses >the 'Gizmo' (a guitar bowing device) intensely. I can't remember >the name of the album, but I'm sure I heard this first on Tadream. >Perhaps another list member could back this up. > >The 'aaargh' sound which appears at 16:37 on the SBM (ironically, >one of the best 'TD sounds' of all time) is supposed to come from >the same album. > It might be from a 3 lp release of Godley and Creme called 'Consequences' I've got a copy and will see if I can find it. I also recall a sample from a video of theirs that sounds like 'hold up'. As to the Gizmo, it is a device they invented that has small rotators that hit the strings to effect a 'bowed' sound. Consequences was used to showcase the thing and, as the booklet explains, things got out of hand and it turned into 3 lp's. I don't have the TD piece to compare. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 6:00 pm Subject: Re: D:Hyperborea Really-From: Vic Rek I couldn't resist to comment on this. I think every track on Hyperborea is a classic, except Cinnamon Road, which I can't stand (just like Dominion from Logos) and I don't understand why it pops up on compilations! I program my CD player to skip this track. The sounds on this album bring me ecstasy! This was the last Virgin album I purchased on CD. I bought it in Toronto while visiting a friend and we must have played it at least 10 times during my weekend visit. Yes, I would be celebrating if TD came out with something like this today! >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > >In a message dated 97-05-21 10:49:35 EDT, you write: > >>And that's the way it's stayed. As studio albums go, it's one of the >>few Virgin ones I wouldn't care if I never heard again. Not the >>classic that many (most ?) Tadream members would make it out to be. > >Yeah, but you have to admit. If Edgar started making this type of music >again, we would all be poopin' our pants. Hyperborea is now classic TD. > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 6:13 pm Subject: Re: How Many TD Videos Are There? Anyone Got a List? Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > How many videos have TD made? I'm talking about stuff made for MTV > (or VH-1, at least)--whether it was ever released commercially or got > got any airplay or not--and stuff made for video projects like CANYON > DREAMS, MANDELA, and OASIS. > I'm asking this because I just saw the following quote in a review > of MTV's 'Amp' show which ran in the May 16, 1997 (Arts Section, p. 9) > issue of the BOSTON PHOENIX: > > [written by Dan Tobin:] > > | The real beauty, though, is that this is essentially electronica's > |grand presentation to the masses. Sure, MTV played the Chemical > |Brothers' 'Setting Sun' and Prodigy, but AMP marks the first program > |wholly dedicated to the genre and its history. 'As much as we can, we > |tip our hats to the old school,' says [AMP creator and producer Todd > |Mueller], who boasts of playing German electro-pioneers Kraftwerk as > |much as British torch carriers the Chemical Brothers. > > Groan. Playing Kraftwerk on MTV is not exactly an unprecedented > event. It was played on MTV's late lamented 120 MINUTES show fairly > often. I wonder what 'old school' videos besides 'Pump Up the Volume' > by MARRS [which is also mentioned in the article as getting play on > AMP] Mueller could be referring to. ;) ;) There ain't much. And > Kraftwerk gets airplay partly for the goof factor and partly because > the videos are cyberpunk of a sort. First, let me offer a few comments about AMP. I've been watching the show for about a month or so and, frankly, I'm unimpressed. Granted, at least SOME form of electronic music is getting airplay but I find the mix of artists on the show to be rather limited in style. To wit, it's mostly either the monotonous beat-beat-beat compositions that go nowhere or it's the blissed-out banality of tracks like 'We all want to be free' by Tranquility Bass (NOT T-Bass!!). If I want some ambient stuff, Brain Eno is STILL miles ahead of these newcomers. I don't recall seeing any Kraftwerk but perhaps I just missed that week's show. The only video I've seen on AMP that held my interest was one of the new Oxygene tracks from J-M Jarre. I think that the show is more of an outlet for the video artists than for the music itself. Some of the video techniques are innovative or at least interesting while much of the music seems to take a backseat. But there's also a lot of the rapid-fire image sequences that MTV is famous for. I must say that FSOL's 'We Have Exposive' video is particularly guilty of this and I find it to be one of the most annoying videos I've ever seen. Wasn't thrilled about the music either. As for the Chemical Brothers, I'd like to see a video OTHER THAN their 'Block Rockin' Beats' video. (So much for variety on AMP!) > So, what TD videos exist that could be shown on AMP? Are there > any tracks from CANYON DREAMS or OASIS that stand a chance? Is there > a video from 'Dolls in the Shadow' or 'Touchwood' or 'Catwalk'? I > would think that perhaps 'Phaedra' from THREE PHASE could be used. > It's a live version of a seminal 'old school' LP, after all. ;) The only TD video single I have seen is Tiergarten. It appeared on the long defunct 'New Visions' program on VH-1. Sure, the show was mostly for new age- like artists but they had some interesting stuff, too. Don't expect it to appear on AMP, though. It doesn't have enough beat to it nor does it seem to be 'alternative' enough. ('Alternative' to what? ;^) -Erik From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 6:58 pm Subject: more stuff found/offered Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers A couple odds and ends were found in a random sweep of Boston area stores today; if you are interested in any of the following please e-mail me off list asap... Also I've been trying to do a little housecleaning so I have added a few things to my swap/sell list; if anyone is interested please request it from me off-list. Lars (of 'Lars' Imports' :-) these items are seeking a home via sale or trade: Ardem-O (CD) Collected Endings (CD) (grade: cover/vinyl) Dream Sequence mint-/mint- (vinyl triple) Streethawk 12' (US version) VG++ / mint (apparently never played) BTW I also found a mint-never played copy of Phaedra/MSatSoN on 7' vinyl for $2.99!! -- happy fingers :-) -- and yes, Vic, I'm keeping it :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4128 Re: more stuff found/offered Vic Rek Thu 5/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 7:23 pm Subject: oszillator planet concert is yellow submarine? Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers I was listening to the TD track 'oszillator planet concert' on a faster speed the other day (don't ask) and I noticed--especially toward the end--that there was this prominent melody line that was only apparent at the higher speed (well, at least to me) and the melody was none other than: 'we all live in a yellow submarine, a yellow submarine ...' (no vocals, of course) OK you get the idea (now you won't be able to get that song out of your heads for 2-3 days and will blame me for it, sorry) ... does anyone know anything about this? is this some sort of tribute to the beatles? or a coincidence? or am I just finding satanic lyrics recorded backwards? it is from 1971 from the BASF Ossiach Live compilation (no I don't have the real thing but I would like to find a copy, hint hint :-) lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 8:43 pm Subject: Tangents Error!!!! Really-From: TangerineC@a... What is the deal with the 5cd Tangents compilation? It is a great compilation, but, while listening to it, what do I hear? The same Rubycon track on discs 2 and 3. They are both identical with different titles. On disc 2 it's called Rubycon(The Decision). On disc 3 it's called Rubycon(Crossing Part). Running times of each track are identical and so is the music. Obviously this is a serious error on somebody's part at Virgin records. I'm sure Edgar knows his own music enough to know that he accidentaly put the same track on 2 discs. It could'nt be his fault. I feel kind of cheated because now i'm curious to hear what would have been this missing track. Does anyone have any information or explanation for this? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4157 Tangents Error!!!! TangerineC@a... Fri 5/23/1997 2 KB 4169 Re: Tangents Error!!!! dbrewer@a... Fri 5/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: In Defence of Cinnamon Road and Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: D:Hyperborea >Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 14:00:00 -0400 (EDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Vic Rek > >I couldn't resist to comment on this. I think every track on Hyperborea >is a classic, except Cinnamon Road, which I can't stand (just like >Dominion from Logos) [...] Wha?!? 'Cinnamon Road' and 'Sphinx Lightning' are my fave tracks on HYPERBOREA. It's the title track that I think hasn't weathered the test of time. [...] and I don't understand why it pops up on compilations! [...] Because it's good, maybe? ;) Seriously, though: I think 'Cinnamon Road' is one of TD's best-ever commercial-sounding tracks--right up there with 'Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender' (I'm not joking) (CYCLONE), 'Beach Theme' (THIEF), 'Rare Bird' (POLAND), 'Mojave End Title' (WAVELENGTH), 'Love Theme' (THE PARK IS MINE), 'Going West' (FLASHPOINT), and 'Towards the Evening Star' (GOBLINS' CLUB). I don't understand why people froth at the mouth over 'Love on a Real Train' (RISKY BUSINESS). >[...] I program my CD player to skip this track. [...] I program mine to skip 'Hyperborea.' -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4121 Re: In Defence of Cinnamon Road and Rising Runner TangerineC@a... Wed 5/21/1997 2 KB 4122 Re: In Defence of Cinnamon Road and Rising Runner Sean Montgomery Wed 5/21/1997 3 KB 4123 Re: In Defence of Cinnamon Road and Rising Runner Marcel Engels Wed 5/21/1997 2 KB 4125 Re: In Defence of Cinnamon Road and Rising Runner feldon@n... Thu 5/22/1997 4 KB 4126 Re: In Defence of Cinnamon Road and Rising Runner feldon@n... Thu 5/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 9:31 pm Subject: Re: In Defence of Cinnamon Road and Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-21 17:02:37 EDT, you write: >I think 'Cinnamon >Road' is one of TD's best-ever commercial-sounding tracks--right up >there with 'Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender' (I'm not joking) >I program mine to skip 'Hyperborea.' O.k. Here we go! Let me get this straight. You think Rising Runner is one of TD's best commercial sounding tracks and you program your player to skip Hyperborea???? Rising Runner has to have the most horrible vocals I ever heard in any song. I would have enjoyed it more if they just left this track instrumental. I guess 'different strokes'. Hyperborea has to be one of the most moodiest TD pieces, that's why I love it. I do agree though about Cinnamon Road. I love it's melody and it gets me in a happy mood. Goodnight and God Bless. (Red Skelton) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 9:30 pm Subject: Re: In Defence of Cinnamon Road and Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >[...] I program my CD player to skip this track. [...] > > I program mine to skip 'Hyperborea.' Not that this settles anything, since it's just another opinion....but the only track on Hyperborea I really care for *is* the title track. In fact, it makes my TD top 20 tracks ever list. It has an...atmosphere, a majestical mood, like 'Charly the Kid', 'Cottage', 'Bus Station', and yeah, 'Love on a Real Train'. It's a track to get lost in. It's more than just a showcase for the sounds of the new keyboards of the day. I will admit that I've never totally liked the transitition between it's two 'movements', but it's over in a few seconds and then I can just sink into part two... Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 9:31 pm Subject: Re: In Defence of Cinnamon Road and Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > >I couldn't resist to comment on this. I think every track on Hyperborea > >is a classic, except Cinnamon Road, which I can't stand (just like > >Dominion from Logos) [...] > > Wha?!? 'Cinnamon Road' and 'Sphinx Lightning' are my fave tracks > on HYPERBOREA. It's the title track that I think hasn't weathered the > test of time. > > I program mine to skip 'Hyperborea.' Everybody has a different taste. I also like the track Hyperborea very much. Compact, spooky and still some nice melodies. I don't like C. Road either, the rest is good. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm email: :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or Like PINNACLES? Really-From: Steven Feldman >Re: In Defence of Cinnamon Road and Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:31:55 +0200 >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > >Everybody has a different taste. I also like the track Hyperborea >very much. Compact, spooky and still some nice melodies. >I don't like C. Road either, the rest is good. Hmmm. It seems to me that of all the tracks on HYPERBOREA, the one most like Edgar's PINNACLES solo (from the same year) is 'Cinnamon Road.' Am I stretching things by opining that 'Cinnamon Road''s bounciness is akin to the opening section of PINNACLES' title track? I wonder how many people who have HYPERBOREA also have PINNACLES. Better still, I wonder how many people who like HYPERBOREA don't like PINNACLES, and how many people who like PINNACLES don't like HYPERBOREA. I ask this because HYPERBOREA tends to be on TD fans' Most Favorite *and* Least Favorite lists of owned albums. It's odd, to me, to hear 'Cinnamon Road' take such heat while all the while I thought it was 'Sphinx Lightning' that turned so many folks off to HYPERBOREA. As for myself, I like the opening two minutes of 'Hyperborea' (the album's title track) because it's similar to the opening of David Bowie's 'Big Brother' (from the DIAMOND DOGS album), but once the echoey tsching sound appears in the mix, it all sounds sort of thin to me. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4127 Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or L Greg Heil Thu 5/22/1997 3 KB 4133 Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or L Salmij{rvi Janne Thu 5/22/1997 3 KB 4135 Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or L GrafZeigen@a... Thu 5/22/1997 3 KB 4142 Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or L Dennis Nigbur Thu 5/22/1997 3 KB 4155 Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or L Erik Sanborn Fri 5/23/1997 3 KB 4188 Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or L Mark Jones Sat 5/24/1997 4 KB 4184 Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or L ajogon@m... Sat 5/24/1997 3 KB 4191 Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or L GrafZeigen@a... Sat 5/24/1997 3 KB 4199 Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or L Mark Filipak Sun 5/25/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 12:57 am Subject: Re: In Defence of Cinnamon Road and Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender Really-From: feldon@n... At 04:01 PM 5/21/97 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > >>Subject: D:Hyperborea >>Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 14:00:00 -0400 (EDT) >>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >>Really-From: Vic Rek >> >>I couldn't resist to comment on this. I think every track on Hyperborea >>is a classic, except Cinnamon Road, which I can't stand (just like >>Dominion from Logos) [...] I can't say I agree with this either. Dominion, Cinnamon Road, and Rarebird are TD being 'modern rock just for laughs'. Ok, I'll get raked over hot coals for that one, but anyway... I like these tracks, but they are definately not Phaedra! Speaking of Phaedra, anyone else's nose twinge when they listen to time index 3:30-5:30 on Sphinx Lightning? Listen closely! > 'Cinnamon Road' and 'Sphinx Lightning' are my fave tracks >on HYPERBOREA. It's the title track that I think hasn't weathered the >test of time. I have to say that for Logos and Poland, I like the whole bloody thing (ok, not Barbakane --burger king). But White Eagle and Hyperborea... how can I say this delicately... on both discs, I think of the final track on each one. -Sometimes- I remember the other tracks... >I think 'Cinnamon >Road' is one of TD's best-ever commercial-sounding tracks--right up >there with 'Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender' (I'm not joking) >(CYCLONE), I agree with you. Cyclone is grossly under-rated. And yes, TD would have gone the way of the dodo if they kept Steve Joliffe, but it was cool for one disc, right guys? And you can't say the woodwind instruments didn't add ambience! Seriously! >I don't >understand why people froth at the mouth over 'Love on a Real Train' >(RISKY BUSINESS). Me neither... Actually, I think I heard LoaRT on '48 Hours' (american new program) about a month ago... >>[...] I program my CD player to skip this track. [...] > > I program mine to skip 'Hyperborea.' I manually skip through the first three minutes of Sphinx Lightning ;) By the way, interesting drum arrangement. Way ahead of it's time if you ask me... it is practically the foundation of half the techno out there! Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 12:59 am Subject: Re: In Defence of Cinnamon Road and Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender Really-From: feldon@n... At 05:31 PM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > >O.k. Here we go! Let me get this straight. You think Rising Runner is one of >TD's best commercial sounding tracks and you program your player to skip >Hyperborea???? Rising Runner has to have the most horrible vocals I ever >heard in any song. I would have enjoyed it more if they just left this track >instrumental. You mean you listen to the vocals? I have a special Cranium Plus brand Graphic Equalizer! It's called, I ignore them in my brain and enjoy the music! :P Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 12:16 am Subject: Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or Like PINNACLES? Really-From: 'Greg Heil' I have 'Hyperborea' but I don't have 'Pinnacle'. I do like 'Hyperborea' but I do not seem overly excited about Cinnamon Road because I don't atune to the 'bounciness' and repeatative nature of the track. If I want to listen to instrumental music, it should have strong, definite emotional feeling as does the title track. I want the music to go someplace other than revisiting the same area over and over--as does Cinnamon Road for it's short few minutes. I think this track was maybe Schmoelling's idea? He seem interested in simple commercial type sounds--so says re-released Castle CD inserts. As far as Sphinx Lighting.. I really like the chime's reverb bass effects at the start.. and especially the ambient section around the 9 minute mark. Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 12:28 am Subject: Re: more stuff found/offered Really-From: Vic Rek >(of 'Lars' Imports' :-) >BTW I also found a mint-never played copy of Phaedra/MSatSoN on 7' vinyl >for $2.99!! -- happy fingers :-) -- and yes, Vic, I'm keeping it :-) > Oh Lars, don't kid yourself! I've already sent you a mint 'Yellow Submarine' for it (and a guy with a monkey wrench). Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 21, 1997 6:35 pm Subject: Dr LX Patterson Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 23:37:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Mandarin Cream: Pe-tooey! Really-From: Mark Filipak >BTW, anybody know exactly what AP is a doctor of?< Absolutely nuthin'--D R are/is? the first two initials of his full name D.R. Alex Patterson or Dr LX Patterson or well you get the idea My apologies if this has already been answered --teiwaz np Sonambulistic Imagery From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 1:43 am Subject: In Defense of Chill'n Really-From: Vic Rek Hyperborea comes across as a chilling and desolate musical escape. The titles 'No Man's Land', 'Hyperborea', and 'Sphnix Lightning' evoke distant and grandiose thoughts. Then they stick in 'Cinnamon Road' - sweet spicy song that would remind me of going to Grandma's house... >Really-From: Steven Feldman > Wha?!? 'Cinnamon Road' and 'Sphinx Lightning' are my fave tracks >on HYPERBOREA. It's the title track that I think hasn't weathered the >test of time. > >>[...] and I don't understand why it pops up on compilations! [...] > > Because it's good, maybe? ;) Seriously, though: I think 'Cinnamon >Road' is one of TD's best-ever commercial-sounding tracks. Steven, you need to read your last posts about 'scam-a-thons', commercialism, and the like. I thought you'd be the last one I'd hear these statements from about commerical TD tracks. And tell me, do you believe because it's on a compilation that it has to be 'good'. But I did play Cinnamon Road once more tonight. The first 22 seconds are OK. skip-> Maybe if TD does a remix like 'Das Maedchen..' on the World Tour 1997 CD then I'll finally enjoy it. OK, so now I'll chill.. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 5:59 am Subject: Re: D:Hyperborea Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Vic Rek > > I couldn't resist to comment on this. I think every track on Hyperborea is > a classic, except Cinnamon Road, which I can't stand (just like Dominion > from Logos) and I don't understand why it pops up on compilations! I > program my CD player to skip this track. The sounds on this album bring me > ecstasy! This was the last Virgin album I purchased on CD. I bought it in > Toronto while visiting a friend and we must have played it at least 10 times > during my weekend visit. Yes, I would be celebrating if TD came out with > something like this today! > > >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > > >In a message dated 97-05-21 10:49:35 EDT, you write: > > > >>And that's the way it's stayed. As studio albums go, it's one of the > >>few Virgin ones I wouldn't care if I never heard again. Not the > >>classic that many (most ?) Tadream members would make it out to be. > > > >Yeah, but you have to admit. If Edgar started making this type of music > >again, we would all be poopin' our pants. Hyperborea is now classic TD. > > > > I agree with Vic...Hyper is a classic TD CD...happens to be on my top 5 of their best. I do like Cinnamon Road though....I just think it belongs on a different album. I totally agree with the Dominion opinion. That song just blows. It's just too dated. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Videos etc. Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... Hello there, A few quick points: STRANGE BUT TRUE: Has anyone seen the German cable TV channel Deutsche Welle? Well, whenever they do the weather forecast, it is accompanied by 'Dolphin Dance'... Stick THAT in your Media Watch column, Jason :-) EVEN STRANGER This is slightly off topic, but those with access to the Paramount Comedy Channel, set your videos on Saturday night for a weird experience. They are showing the two episodes of 'Monty Pythons Fliegender Zirkus', the two Python shows spoken in German. This is bizarre stuff... VIDEOS Someone posted a question about TD promo videos. In one Voyager the Tyger video is referred to as 'so embarrassing that it makes even hardcore TD fans wince'. Does someone care to enlighten us? Why is this so embarrassing? Back to exam revision... Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4146 Re: Videos etc. K.E Thu 5/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 9:53 am Subject: Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or Like PINNACLES? Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne I have both Hyperborea and Pinnacles. Hyperborea was the 2nd or 3rd TD CD I bought. Pinnacles is among the late additions to the collection. On the whole, I like Pinnacles a lot more than Hyperborea. On Hyperborea, the title track is absolutely the best one. :) No Man's Land is somewhat annoying, must be that 'oriental' feel. But nowhere near as annoying as Cinnamon Road. It's probably the combination of those sharp sounds and happy, poppy feel of the tune. *shrug* Dunno. Of Sphinx Lightning I don't remember much (I'm not near CDs & player now), apart from the opening sounds. I think it's rather okay, but forgettable. Hyperborea on the other hands sticks out like a rose among the weeds in the garden. It's calm and soothing and ... anyway, I like it a lot. One of my favourite single tracks. The 'happy' qualities of the tracks aren't so in-yer-face on Pinnacles as they are on Cinnamon Road. They are way subtler. In the long-track contest, Pinnacles wins hands down. I remember comparing these two before, and noting that Pinnacles stays together very well, not so disjointed as Sphinx Lightning. That's my impresssion, YMMV. :) -jhsa -- Stupid user error. Terminate user (Y/n) ? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 12:05 pm Subject: NETWORK 388 Really-From: LADY OF THE LIZARDS got the 388 cds in tues. they turned out quite good. It is a pleasure to be a part of it all. And many thanks to Jeffrey B, David D, and Stephan B for their many hours of work. (make that Months of work!) thanks guys rr Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4151 Re: NETWORK 388 MPOORT@a... Fri 5/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 1:22 pm Subject: Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or Like PINNACLES? Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-22 06:12:16 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne < On Hyperborea, the title track is absolutely the best one. :) No Man's Land is somewhat annoying, must be that 'oriental' feel. >> I find No Man's Land to be my least favorite on this album. I love the title track and Sphinx Lightning the most. Sphinx evokes images of a lightning storm over the monuments of Egypt for me. I like the space in this music...notes implyed but not actually played. I like the tune Cinammon Road, but agree it doesn't really fit with the rest of the album. I have a theory on this. You have to take the year this album came out into context. At that time ('80 - '83) the 'New Wave' synth band craze was in full swing and there were a plethora of foundling techno bands around (like OMD, Polyrock, Our Daughter's Wedding, A Flock....etc. etc. ad nauseum). I think either 1) the record company insisted TD have something more commercial on the album to compete in this market; or 2) Edgar and company wanted to remind all these newcomers who's who and where their roots came from and who they were 'stealing' from! That's why Cinammon is so heavy with repetitative sequencer patterns ala Kraftwerk or Devo. Just an opinion! Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 1:41 pm Subject: Re: Tangents Error Really-From: Michael A Jean I seem to recall that EF wrote a brief note explaining this, that appeared in an old issue of Beyond the Horizon, though I don't recall what he said...perhaps someone can look it up... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 2:33 pm Subject: Tour dates Really-From: Steve Hinksman Hi all, I hope I'm not repeating another's reply (I'm in digest mode). ashok prema wrote: >>The TD webpage says: >>And we are also proud to announce the third leg of the Tour in 1997: >>Sat, 11/01/97NottinghamRoyal Concert HallSun, >>11/02/97LeedsTown & Country ClubMon, >>11/03/97GlasgowRoyal Concert HallWed, >>11/05/97BirminghamSymphony HallThu, >>11/06/97LondonShepherds Bush EmpireSat, >>11/08/97ManchesterApolloSun, >>11/09/97BristolColston Hall >But the days don't match the dates!! >eg 5th November is NOT a Thursday! >Hope they get this sorted! See you at the Bush again Dave?? - or are you >going to the Glasgow /Manchester one?? The text formatting is messed up, that's all. It should read: Sat, 11/01/97NottinghamRoyal Concert Hall Sun, 11/02/97LeedsTown & Country Club Mon, 11/03/97GlasgowRoyal Concert Hall Wed, 11/05/97BirminghamSymphony Hall Thu, 11/06/97LondonShepherds Bush Empire Sat, 11/08/97ManchesterApollo Sun, 11/09/97BristolColston Hall The disadvantages of cut-and-paste sometimes... All the best, Steve Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4174 Re: Tour dates Steve Yensen Fri 5/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Maggie Reilly Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >Here's an off the wall suggestion for a potential vocalist for TD... > >WHOA! What do you think???? Having recently had the pleasure to spend a party weekend with Barry Palmer (the other vocalist on Oldfield's DISCOVERY album and tour) and other guys from the entourage, I conclude : - she can sing like a bell, but only Oldfield himself could make her do so - she's a bitch So count her out ;-) -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 3:34 pm Subject: network 388 more ideas Really-From: slawlor Hi there. I got my copy of the double cd of network 388 and it's really good. I like the extra tracks and the quality of them is great. Maybe i'm getting too far ahead of myself here, but i was wondering if anyone has thought of possibly trying to market this compilation on the internet to a larger audience? I know there's an independent group of musicians on the internet called the creative musicians coalition and, if you guys who put the diks together, I can inquire if it would be possible to have a joint artist membership for a year, which would reduce the amount that each of us would have to shell out for a membership separately. Let me know what you guys thing, either on the list or by direct mail. talk to you later. scott K. Lawlor http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 5:56 pm Subject: Mandala Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves Ok Gang, Lets gets the title for this little mysterious video correct. It is called 'Mandala', Not named after Nelson 'Mandela'. An easy confusion. The short film/video was a demonstrator for the Japanese analog High-Definition Broadcast TV system. The second definition for Mandala in Websters dictionary states: '2. a graphic and often symbolic pattern usually in the form of a circle divided into four separate sections or bearing a multiple projection of an image.' I do remember the film being around 30 minutes, not 1 hour. Supposedly the scenes were shots from around the world. Since the world is round(circular) I assume this fills part of the definition. So I am assuming the film is broken into four sections. Has anyone on this list ever seen the film ? CHEERS...Matt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 12:10 am Subject: Re: MANDELA was a Japanese HDTV event. Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Wed, 21 May 97 09:28:23 EDT tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > A one-hour meditative music video made for an HDTV broadcast in >Japan. MANDELA is a variant of the word 'mandala,' or at least that's >what I was told when I got the info about MANDELA. I don't recall >what year it was shown. I seem to remember dimly that Matt Hargreaves >knew something about this . . . or was it Elana Mell Beach??? Um...Mandala? Japan? There's a Kitaro album of exactly the same title ('Mandala', that is). Were Kitaro and TD competing to write the music for the HDTV feature, is it TD music, Kitaro music, or both?? Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4147 Re: MANDELA was a Japanese HDTV event. Sean Montgomery Thu 5/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 12:29 am Subject: Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or Like PINNACLES? Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Wed, 21 May 1997 17:16:56 -0700 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' >I want the music to go someplace other than >revisiting the same area over and over--as does Cinnamon Road for it's >short few minutes. I think this track was maybe Schmoelling's idea? He seem >interested in simple commercial type sounds--so says re-released Castle CD >inserts. I suppose what the Castle text means by Schmoelling's 'commercial' sound is that he (or his arrival with the band, you never know _who_ finally came up with the idea) introduced to TD music a more determined preconceived structure (i.e., elevating composition above improvisation) and the idea of 'suite-style' movements, which develop from one motif to another instead of elaborating on one musical idea and then ending the track. A first, vague impression of that approach is already audible on 'Monolight' (i.e. pre-Schmoelling!), where the later 'tangentised' authentic Monolight part leads on to completely different musical ideas, namely the part based on 'Stratosfear' and, finally, the 'Invisible Limits' Piano Solo. On previous albums, this structure was completely absent, whereas it appeared on almost every single track of the Schmoelling era. BTW, I don't think that we should label the sound of a particular track 'commercial', as this is too vague a term to apply to musical style. What makes 'Cinnamon Road' commercial? What makes, say, 'Phaedra', um, 'not commercial'? Phaedra, for all I know, _did_ get into the charts, while Hyperborea didn't... Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 8:53 pm Subject: Re: D:Hyperborea Really-From: feldon@n... At 10:59 PM 5/21/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > >I agree with Vic...Hyper is a classic TD CD...happens to be on my top 5 >of their best. I do like Cinnamon Road though....I just think it belongs >on a different album. I totally agree with the Dominion opinion. That >song just blows. It's just too dated. Hyperborea is in the top five? Morgan feldon@n... still scratching my head... oh dear, now my head is bleeding! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 8:08 pm Subject: Re: useless trivia (was:Mandala) Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-05-22 14:11:10 EDT, you write: << The second definition for Mandala in Websters dictionary states: '2. a graphic and often symbolic pattern usually in the form of a circle divided into four separate sections or bearing a multiple projection of an image.' >> mandala is also the title of a kitaro album....great to know, huh? tom w np: aphex twin - saw I From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 8:08 pm Subject: lily on the beach zeo remixes Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers- Rare Trax 2 includes the following tracks from the 'Lily on the Beach' Zeo Remixes 1989 -Atmospheric remix -Metamorphic remix -Stratospheric remix -Atmospheric remix -Polymorphic remix -- does anyone know **anything** about the Zeo remixes? was this a promo? or a separate single (it is about 30-odd minutes of music) or some limited release? Does anyone on this list have it? Was this a Haslinger remix thing? was it a private music release, if so what is the number? anyone? anywhere? anything? help? lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4148 Re: lily on the beach zeo remixes Sean Montgomery Thu 5/22/1997 2 KB 4208 lily on the beach zeo remixes Klaus Beschorner Sun 5/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 8:11 pm Subject: Re: Videos etc. Really-From: 'K.E' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... > VIDEOS > > Someone posted a question about TD promo videos. In one Voyager the Tyger > video is referred to as 'so embarrassing that it makes even hardcore TD > fans wince'. Does someone care to enlighten us? Why is this so embarrassing? > > Back to exam revision... > Glynn I have seen a promotion video of Towards the Evening Star' wich someone from their record company send me. Well, it was very 'embarrassing', so I didn´t even bother to make a copy of it before I did return it! What you see on this 3 min. video is some dancers very close to the camera dancing in some kind of computermade landscape and nothing realy happens... Kent From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 8:17 pm Subject: Re: MANDELA was a Japanese HDTV event. Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Um...Mandala? Japan? There's a Kitaro album of exactly the same title > ('Mandala', that is). Were Kitaro and TD competing to write the music for the > HDTV feature I don't think so. Just a case of the same name being used. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 8:30 pm Subject: Re: lily on the beach zeo remixes Really-From: Sean Montgomery > -- does anyone know **anything** about the Zeo remixes? As far as I know, Tangerine Dream had nothing to do with the remixing, it was a Private Music in-house job. I can't imagine LoTB at 120 beats per minute. I suspect they'd be awful. Then again, I liked the remix of Patrick O'Hearn's 'Chattahoochie Field Day' on Mixed Up, so who knows? Anyone here actually heard these versions? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 10:22 pm Subject: Re: D:Hyperborea Really-From: Amatodo@a... There has been some pretty interesting discussion of this album. One of my favorite TD tracks is 'No Man's Land'. Hardly anyone has mentioned this, except some people who don't like it. I hate to steal thoughts from the liner notes of all the remasters, but in NML, the group found a unique sitar-like or middle eastern sound which I haven't heard on many other TD albums. The discussion on this album just goes to show that the music of TD can't be summarized, agreed on, etc. Now, how about some US dates, it's been almost five years! Jeff From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 11:01 pm Subject: RE: Phil's poll Really-From: David Thielen please remove me from this list. - dave ---------- From: tadream mailing list[SMTP:tadream@c...] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 1997 2:50 PM To: tadream@c... Subject: Re: Phil's poll Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' I forgot to include Beyond the storm Dream Music Dream Music 2 francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 22, 1997 11:31 pm Subject: Re: NETWORK 388 Really-From: MPOORT@a... Network 388 is now available on CD? Who do I need to contact to get a copy? MPoort From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 12:14 am Subject: Re: D:Hyperborea Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: feldon@n... > > At 10:59 PM 5/21/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > > > > >I agree with Vic...Hyper is a classic TD CD...happens to be on my top 5 > >of their best. I do like Cinnamon Road though....I just think it belongs > >on a different album. I totally agree with the Dominion opinion. That > >song just blows. It's just too dated. > > Hyperborea is in the top five? > > Morgan > feldon@n... > > still scratching my head... > > oh dear, now my head is bleeding! I'd spell it out for you...but you'd have bled to death by then. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 12:24 am Subject: Das Mahchen Auf Der Treppe Promo CD-5 Really-From: Vic Rek Does anyone have the promo CD-5 of 'Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe' as mentioned on the TD Home Page. They said there were going to be 1000 copies issued but NOT FOR SALE. They said that we would have to search them out through our channels. I haven't heard anything since and the home page seems quiet about it now. Does this item exist? Anybody have it? Thanks! Vic P.S. Can somebody e-mail me the graphic file from the TD home page of this item? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 1:15 pm Subject: AOLFOR FREE Really-From: uighur@s... (Scott Allen May) AOLFOR Free is a fake but be aware of AOLTROJANS that virus is for real for more info on viruses try http://www.cnet.com. S.May Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4177 Tangents and Orb Remix Matt Williams Fri 5/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 1:19 pm Subject: Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or Like PINNACLES? Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) Hyperborea remains one of my top ten TD favorite albums. I like all of the tracks, for different reasons, even Cinnamon Road. Someone here mentioned that they didn't like Cinnamon Road for the same reason they didn't like Dominion from Logos. I think I understand why but let me confuse things further by saying that I like Cinnamon Road but don't care for Dominion. Seems like we have no shortage of different opinions here. :-) I also have Pinnacles and enjoy it as well, although it's not my favorite EF solo album. It has similarities to Hyperborea but seems 'simpler' in style. I think I enjoy Hyperborea more because of the additional layers of complexity. (OK, maybe Cinnamon Road doesn't have much complexity to it but I like it anyway.) Plus, I've always thought that both the title 'Hyperborea' and the album cover artwork were really cool! :) Just my $0.02 worth. -Erik Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4188 Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or L Mark Jones Sat 5/24/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 1:26 pm Subject: Das Madchen Promo Really-From: Michael A Jean I tried contacting Virgin Records...I never received a response.... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 3:31 pm Subject: Tangents Error!!!! Really-From: TangerineC@a... O.k. nobody responded with an answer to the first posting of this letter so here I am posting it a second time. Does anyone know the answer to this? I got one response saying the explanation is in Beyond the Horizon. What is the deal with the 5cd Tangents compilation? It is a great compilation, but, while listening to it, what do I hear? The same Rubycon track on discs 2 and 3. They are both identical with different titles. On disc 2 it's called Rubycon(The Decision). On disc 3 it's called Rubycon(Crossing Part). Running times of each track are identical and so is the music. Obviously this is a serious error on somebody's part at Virgin records. I'm sure Edgar knows his own music enough to know that he accidentaly put the same track on 2 discs. It could'nt be his fault. I feel kind of cheated because now i'm curious to hear what would have been this missing track. Does anyone have any information or explanation for this? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4169 Re: Tangents Error!!!! dbrewer@a... Fri 5/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 3:27 pm Subject: RE: In Defence of the whole album Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > Wha?!? 'Cinnamon Road' and 'Sphinx Lightning' are my fave tracks >on HYPERBOREA. It's the title track that I think hasn't weathered the >test of time. I happen to think the whole album is wonderful. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 3:50 pm Subject: My vote for worst TD track ever! Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' After receiving my stuff from Lars (thanks again) I've discovered what I believe to be their worst track EVER! Even worse than the stuff on Cyclone! And the winner is: >From the Near Dark soundtrack, its: Caleb's Blues! Man, is it awful! Too bad, because the rest of the soundtrack is really good. I also got Miracle Mile from Lars, and that is among their best ST's IMHO. It rocks from the first note. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4161 Re: My vote for worst TD track ever! Roger Smith Fri 5/23/1997 2 KB 4171 Re: My vote for worst TD track ever! dbrewer@a... Fri 5/23/1997 2 KB 4189 Re: My vote for worst TD track ever! Mark Jones Sat 5/24/1997 2 KB 4198 Running Out of Time dbrewer@a... Sun 5/25/1997 3 KB 4163 Re: My vote for worst TD track ever! Greg Heil Fri 5/23/1997 2 KB 4170 Re: My vote for worst TD track ever! dbrewer@a... Fri 5/23/1997 2 KB 4183 Re: My vote for worst TD track ever! gary.cresswell1@v... Sat 5/24/1997 2 KB 4207 Re: My vote for worst TD track ever! Plumer, Scott Sun 5/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 3:55 pm Subject: hyberborea and pinnacles Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> OK i'll add my 2 cents to this discussion, I like both Hyperborea and Pinnacles; and all the tracks on each of them. I've always loved Hyperborea and think it is one of their best albums (5as) and it's in my top 10 list. I love all four tracks, especially the Eastern/Indian feel to it--I think this was some really innovative work by TD! I have also always liked Pinnacles as well but its rating will have to wait for the D:solo week discussion of this. lars who also feels Cyclone is way underrated -- I even like the vocals!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4164 Re: hyberborea and pinnacles Capel Martyn Fri 5/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: My vote for worst TD track ever! Really-From: 'Roger Smith' I also got Miracle Mile from Lars, and that is among their best ST's IMHO. It rocks from the first note. Glad someone else likes Miracle Mile. In my opinion it *is* the best Tangerine Dream soundtrack. Roger Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4171 Re: My vote for worst TD track ever! dbrewer@a... Fri 5/23/1997 2 KB 4189 Re: My vote for worst TD track ever! Mark Jones Sat 5/24/1997 2 KB 4198 Running Out of Time dbrewer@a... Sun 5/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 5:56 pm Subject: Re: MANDELA was a Japanese HDTV event. Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Um...Mandala? Japan? There's a Kitaro album of exactly the same title >('Mandala', that is). Were Kitaro and TD competing to write the music for the >HDTV feature, is it TD music, Kitaro music, or both?? I doubt it. His album came out last year. Pretty good, too. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 8:17 pm Subject: Re: My vote for worst TD track ever! Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > > I also got Miracle Mile from Lars, and that is among their best ST's > IMHO. It rocks from the first note. > > Glad someone else likes Miracle Mile. In my opinion it *is* the best > Tangerine Dream soundtrack. > > Roger > You can third me on 'Miracle Mile'. Great soundtarck! Even though the movie was so so, and they heavily chopped up my favorite track. Greg From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 8:22 pm Subject: Re: hyberborea and pinnacles Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) You wrote: > >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >who also feels Cyclone is way underrated -- I even like the vocals!! > I'm with you on that statement, Cyclone is a very good album! Martyn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: 'Optical Race.' Worst TD Track Ever? Really-From: Steven Feldman Worst TD track ever? Hmmm. Decisions, decisions: so much to choose from! ;) Relax, I'm really only thinking of tracks from OPTICAL RACE, THREE O'CLOCK HIGH, LEGEND, DESTINATION BERLIN, and ROCKOON. Let's see, there's the title track and most of side two of OPTICAL RACE . . . and the bulk of THREE O'CLOCK HIGH (and there's only 15 mins. to choose from!) . . . and 'Loved by the Sun,' and most of side two of ROCKOON. Whoops, and I almost forgot 'Cool at Heart' from MELROSE. But 'Caleb's Blues,' from NEAR DARK? Yep; this is a turkey. I guess I'll have to go with the title track to OPTICAL RACE. Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Emdreams, CNI News, Contact ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Forum, _PEER_ Perspectives, ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ the Nausicaa list, Tadream, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ & Hong Kong Film Connection ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: sfeldman@w... ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4167 Re: 'Optical Race.' Worst TD Track Ever? Sean Montgomery Fri 5/23/1997 2 KB 4168 Re: 'Optical Race.' Worst TD Track Ever? Greg Heil Fri 5/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 8:27 pm Subject: Hyperborea related Link Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Speaking of Hyperborea, I ran into a link about it without even looking for anything about it! It dosn't have anything to do with TD's music, but if you want to learn more about the idea and the word Hyperborea, go here: http://www.levity.com/eschaton/hyperborea.html It gets into some very odd ideas about time, pshycodelics, and Eastern ideas. I do think Hyperborea follows Exit in the addition of New Age ideas in music. Just be warned about all the oddity and quite far out things on this page! I heard the man who created this page on an interview over the radio--so there is quite something involved with Hyperborea-- Greg Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4175 Re: Hyperborea related Link Steve Yensen Fri 5/23/1997 3 KB 4178 Re: Hyperborea related Link Greg Heil Sat 5/24/1997 3 KB 4187 Re: Hyperborea related Link Mitchell Barnes Sat 5/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 8:46 pm Subject: Re: 'Optical Race.' Worst TD Track Ever? Really-From: Sean Montgomery > I guess I'll have to go with the title track to OPTICAL RACE. I'd say that most of Destination Berlin is worse than Optical Race. And then there's 'A Time For Heroes' and 'Lost Tale'. Annnddd....oh yes, Dreamtime!! *shudder* Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 9:09 pm Subject: Re: 'Optical Race.' Worst TD Track Ever? Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > I guess I'll have to go with the title track to OPTICAL RACE. > > Steven Feldman Don't you think the pinnacle of TD's commericial tracks was in the song Optical Race? I'll tell you, when I hear that 'orchesra hit' sound in that song.. that's enough to drive a lot of dedicated fans away. So much for being in a circus--I think we do about as good here as video game music--what do ya think? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 9:10 pm Subject: Re: Tangents Error!!!! Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: TangerineC@a... > > O.k. nobody responded with an answer to the first posting of this letter so > here I am posting it a second time. Does anyone know the answer to this? I > got one response saying the explanation is in Beyond the Horizon. > Inquiring minds want to know, eh? :-) I think the letter from Herr Froese to Beyond the Horizon said something like this: that it was simply human error that the same track was included twice. After the whole thing was assembled, no one person was able to sit down and listen to the whole thing start to finish. So the error was not found before the release. This is coming from memory, so it may not be 100% correct. This goof must be the reason why Tangents is already out of print (at least in my neck of the desert)... Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 9:16 pm Subject: Re: My vote for worst TD track ever! Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > From the Near Dark soundtrack, its: Caleb's Blues! Man, is it awful! Too > bad, because the rest of the soundtrack is really good. > I have to agree with you 110% Scott! That's the only song I routinely skip over! Bleech!! I studied the Blues in high school, and this track can't be a representative of the Blues! It's so canned, bland and totally awful! It's no surprise that it's not used in the film. Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 9:23 pm Subject: Re: My vote for worst TD track ever! Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: 'Roger Smith' > > Glad someone else likes Miracle Mile. In my opinion it *is* the best > Tangerine Dream soundtrack. Count me in there, too! It's not my fav ST, but it's way up there. The movie is very interesting, too. I shudder every time I hear an unattended pay phone ring! :-) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 9:27 pm Subject: Import TD CD's for sale/Gold CD box set for sale Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' I aquired some copies of the following TD CD's. These are out of print so once I sell em all...there won't be more. If you want to order them, either email me or call me at the store (714-839-3693) (which is amazingly faster if you pay with a cc) and I'll launch them out to you. These prices are great so these will go pretty quick. I have: Tangerine Dream Collection (K001): 3 gold cd's: Tyger (ORIGINAL issue)/Poland (extracts from Warsaw/Poland, Barbakane,Horizon)/;Best of Tangerine Dream (has 9 tracks from various albums--Le Parc, Underwater Sunlight, Livemiles, Tyger, Poland, Green desert, etc.) ALL 3 gold cd's in a box for $25 (whew...smokin price!). I also have: Tangerine Dream: Tangerine Dream (Disky) Has Phaedra, Mysterious semblance, Movements of visionary, Sequent 'C', rubycon part 1, Stratosphere. Out of Print from England. $10 for each one. They are sealed in cello. I have a few of these. Cover is cool (Franke Froese, Baumann) and the CD is screen printed very nicely with the cd cover. Jewel case is a see-through. Must have for completists. Order multiples...I cleaned out our distributor so I have multiples of each....but limited copies of each of course. I also have limited quantities of Perry Rhodan if anyone needs any. Call for the price (just got em in so I haven't priced em yet). regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 23, 1997 9:30 pm Subject: FS: Perry Rhodan Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' I aquired some copies of the following TD CD's. These are out of print so once I sell em all...there won't be more. If you want to order them, either email me or call me tomorrow at the store (714-839-3693) (which is amazingly faster if you pay with a cc) and I'll launch them out to you. These prices are great so these will go pretty quick. I have: Tangerine Dream Collection (K001): 3 gold cd's: Tyger (ORIGINAL issue)/Poland (extracts from Warsaw/Poland, Barbakane,Horizon)/;Best of Tangerine Dream (has 9 tracks from various albums--Le Parc, Underwater Sunlight, Livemiles, Tyger, Poland, Green desert, etc.) ALL 3 gold cd's in a box for $25 (whew...smokin price!). I also have: Tangerine Dream: Tangerine Dream (Disky) Has Phaedra, Mysterious semblance, Movements of visionary, Sequent 'C', rubycon part 1, Stratosphere. Out of Print from England. $10 for each one. They are sealed in cello. I have a few of these. Cover is cool (Franke Froese, Baumann) and the CD is screen printed very nicely with the cd cover. Jewel case is a see-through. Must have for completists. Order multiples...I cleaned out our distributor so I have multiples of each....but limited copies of each of course. I also have limited quantities of Perry Rhodan if anyone needs any. Call for the price (just got em in so I haven't priced em yet). regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 24, 1997 5:39 am Subject: Re: Tour dates Really-From: Steve Yensen > Sat, 11/01/97 Nottingham Royal Concert Hall And about time too! Steve. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 24, 1997 5:44 am Subject: Re: Hyperborea related Link Really-From: Steve Yensen tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > Speaking of Hyperborea, I ran into a link about it without even looking for > anything about it! It dosn't have anything to do with TD's music, but if > you want to learn more about the idea and the word Hyperborea, go here: > > http://www.levity.com/eschaton/hyperborea.html > > It gets into some very odd ideas... Quote: The Final Illusion Novelty Theory suggests that on December 21 of 2012 AD, at the coincidence of the moment of the solstice and the heliacal rising of the galactic center, levels of planetary novelty will exponentially increase. Theory does not make clear the nature of the ultranovel event, however. Speculation as to the nature of the encounter with the trans-dimensional object at the end of time includes the following: Hyperspatial Breakthrough Planetesimal Impact Alien Contact Historical Metamorphosis Metamorphosis of Natural Law Solar Explosion Quasar Ignition at the Galactic Core Whatever they're on, I want some of it ... Steve. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: RE: Maedchen Promo CD-5 Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (peter stoeferle) Hello there, >>> Really-From: Vic Rek >>> Does anyone have the promo CD-5 of 'Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe' as mentioned on the TD Home Page. I haven't heard anything since and the home page seems quiet about it now. Does this item exist? Anybody have it? Yes, it *does* exist... ;-) Peter ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dream Collector magazine Peter Stoeferle eMail: peter.stoeferle@t... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Tangents and Orb Remix Really-From: Matt Williams Hi Everyone, Just a mail to say I agree with everyone who has been slagging the orb remix of 'Towards The Evening Star'.....I brought it on limeted edition picture disk vinyl because I tthought it would be worth something one day....after hearing it I think I'll be lucky to give it away :). I was tempted to buy an Orb album a little while ago but after hearing this I have definitly changed my mind...all I can say is the only orb I will be listening to is the one with ital at the end of it!!. Seems the brill Tangents has been a talking point lately I would like to warn people they if they don't own it and are thinking about it you had better hurry up,my copy got nicked a while back so I have been scouting around for a new one,a couple of places are telling me its deleted.....your be able to get a copy from suppliers who have it but once all the copies in shops are gone it looks like it will be gone for ever..Think I'll lock my copy away in the loft somewhere!. I'm still buzzing with the news that TD while be touring us Brits again...must try and get some better pictures and autographs this time,I got sick waiting for them to show up last time at the Bush gig :( Have a good weekend folks Matt.... MATTHEW WILLIAMS EMAIL: matt@s... 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 24, 1997 12:07 am Subject: Re: Hyperborea related Link Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: Steve Yensen > > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > > Speaking of Hyperborea, I ran into a link about it without even looking for > > anything about it! It dosn't have anything to do with TD's music, but if > > you want to learn more about the idea and the word Hyperborea, go here: > > > > http://www.levity.com/eschaton/hyperborea.html > > > > Quote: > > The Final Illusion > > Novelty Theory suggests that on December 21 of 2012 AD, at the > coincidence of the moment of the solstice and the heliacal rising of the > galactic center, levels of planetary novelty will exponentially > increase. Theory does not make clear the nature of the ultranovel event, > however. Speculation as to the nature of the encounter with the > trans-dimensional object at the end of time includes the following: > > Hyperspatial Breakthrough > Planetesimal Impact > Alien Contact > Historical Metamorphosis > Metamorphosis of Natural Law > Solar Explosion > Quasar Ignition at the Galactic Core > > > Whatever they're on, I want some of it ... > > > Steve. Yeah.. never saw so much positive and suggested use of hallucinary drugs on a syndicated radio talk show in my life! Wow.. and check those links to the 'how to grow your own stuff.' The guy made sense on the radio though.. 'Time machines can only go so far as to the invention of the time machine.' Let me say.. kinda made sense... Greg From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 24, 1997 3:02 am Subject: Re: (amb) FS: Tangerine Dream vinyl (unplayed) Really-From: Britton James HELLO! could anybody on this list do me a favor? My friend and I posted the list below, and there was NO response from you. It's possible , I suppose, but I would like to ask one of you to just write me back a few short words so that I can be satisfied that you've all seen our offer and simply declined. Does everybody already have these vinyl LPs?? Please drop me a line, Thanks, Charlie James >A friend and I found the following TD records in a record warehouse. We > are selling them to finance more recording equipment. We have multiples > of several copies, as indicated below. We will sell on a first come, > first serve basis. I posted these as an auction a couple of months ago > but I didn't have time to conduct an auction. Frankly, I don't like > auctions anyway. The vinyl has never been played but it is without > shrinkwrap.Some of the covers have slight wear but are in M- to NM > condition. If you emailed me about a record previously, just remind > me and you can have it for the price posted below. > > -Title- -catalog#- -label- -released- -availability- -starting > bid- > Phaedra-------VI2010----Virgin---1973-----10 copies------------US$8 > Rubicon-------VI2025----Virgin---1975-----13 copies------------US$8 > Ricochet------VI2044----Virgin---1975-----4 copies------------US$8 > Stratosfear---VI2068----Virgin---1976-----8 copies------------US$8 > Zeit----------VMD2221---Virgin---1976-----3 copies------------US$13 > (Zeit is 2LPs, non gatefold) > Sorcerer------MCF2806---MCA------1977-----1 copy--------------US$8 > Cyclone-------VI2097----Virgin---1978-----7 copies------------US$8 > Force Mejure--VI2111----Virgin---1979-----1 copy--------------US$8 > Tangram-------VI2147----Virgin---1980-----3 copies------------US$8 > Dream Sequence-302686----Virgin---1985----1 copy--------------US$15 > (Dream Sequence is a rare 3 LP compilation of excellent material) > Tyger---------1341------Caroline-1987-----multiple-------------US$7 > > Shipping within the US is US$3 for the first record, US$1 per > additional > record. International shipping will be handled on an individual basis. > > thanks, > Steve Grant Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4209 Re: (amb) FS: Tangerine Dream vinyl (unplayed) PNaunton@a... Sun 5/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 24, 1997 3:48 am Subject: Re: 34138 Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-18 20:29:41 EDT, you write: << Dear Madam or Sir, I am currently seeking employment with your company and am available immediately. ----------->> BANG! 'Right between the eyes!' 'It was the only merciful thing to do. There are handicaps which forego any possibility of living a useful role in society.' Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 24, 1997 3:47 am Subject: Re: Mixed messages Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-18 18:19:32 EDT, you write: << > To the rest...you have my sympathy that your lives are so stressful that > a little bit of extra email can manage to give you a stroke! > > MJ >> 'Oh, no. Not more mail!!' <> 'Gaaaaaaa!' <> THUD!! <> ' * gasp * ' Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 24, 1997 3:51 am Subject: Re: Oh! Mr.Prema Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-19 11:24:38 EDT, you write: << tom w np: irmin schmidt - soundtracks >> Hi, Tom, Can you give me some more information about this recording? Recording date? Publish date? Name of releasing company? Record number? Thanks in advance, Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 24, 1997 4:41 pm Subject: Re: My vote for worst TD track ever! Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: dbrewer@a... > > > Quoted From: 'Roger Smith' > > > > Glad someone else likes Miracle Mile. In my opinion it *is* the best > > Tangerine Dream soundtrack. I agree it is pretty good, I also rate Firestarter, check out between realities It is so spooky its dripping in fear. I cannot decide on the worst between Destination berlin and optical race so I'm gonna listen to them both and decide once and for all..... 5 mins later although i do like the quiet track at the end of D.Berlin so Optical race it is. Gaza From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 24, 1997 8:26 pm Subject: Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or Like PINNACLES? Really-From: ajogon@m... rakinik@n... wrote: >I agree with Vic...Hyper is a classic TD CD...happens to be >on my top 5 of their best. I'm even more radical on this: Hyperborea is one of my top 4 TD albums, together with Force Majeure, Tangram and Logos... Keep scratching your head, Morgan :-) When I listen to Hyperborea, I play always the whole album and enjoy every note of it. I still remember when the 'Funny noises' list was posted last month, I put Hyperborea in my CD player just to find the 'I often did I often did' part. Well, even after that part was found, I couldn't press the stop button and played the whole album! Also, considering that the 4 tracks were included in Tangents, can I guess that Hyperborea is a Edgar Froese's favorite? I also have Pinnacles and I like it too, but not as much as Hyperborea. Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 24, 1997 1:38 pm Subject: Royal Albert Hall '75 Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' While listening to my tape of the Royal Albert Hall show from '75, I noticed the introducer sounds remarkably like Eric Idle, from Monty Python's Flying Circus. Is it really him? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4246 Re: Royal Albert Hall '75 Grant Middleton Tue 5/27/1997 3 KB 4269 Re: Royal Albert Hall '75 Plumer, Scott Tue 5/27/1997 2 KB 4288 Re: Royal Albert Hall '75 Grant Middleton Wed 5/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 24, 1997 3:30 pm Subject: Barbakane Really-From: feldon@n... I used the words 'burger king' to describe Barbakane. Maybe this is too negative, but really, I just listened to Barbakane (from Poland 2CD) and kept a mental note of the number of instruments/sounds/samples/notes which elicit a negative physical reaction in me... After time index 14:00, out of approximately 35 sound effects/instruments/samples/notes (a horn sound, a tapping sound, a slurshing sound, etc.) I have a negative physical reaction to about 28 of them.... I mean, how can I describe this... the notes that are *almost* in key but slur down half a note near the end of the song...absolutely make me cringe! Am I alone here? Morgan feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4195 Re: Barbakane Dennis Nigbur Sat 5/24/1997 3 KB 29060 Re: Barbakane Dennis Nigbur Wed 9/12/2001 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 24, 1997 2:42 pm Subject: Re: Hyperborea related Link Really-From: Mitchell Barnes > > you want to learn more about the idea and the word Hyperborea, go here: > > > > http://www.levity.com/eschaton/hyperborea.html > > > > Quote: > > The Final Illusion > > Novelty Theory suggests that on December 21 of 2012 AD, snip Hi all - Knew even before I went to the site, it had to be Terence McKenna. I've seen him three times - once for a 6 day gathering in Southern Cal at Joshua Tree, and again in Eselan for a long weekend, and then a couple of years later in Arizona for another long weekend. Spellbinding - for those who haven't had the pleasure of hearing him weave his web of words, tapes are available. IMO his stories are the verbal equivalent of TD's best emusic. Mitch first exposure to TD: Phaedra - 1974 np: ambient environmental silence and hd whine - various From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 24, 1997 5:45 pm Subject: Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or Like PINNACLES? Really-From: Mark Jones I have both Hyperborea and Pinnacles and like them both. They are both very similar, and I've spent no end of time wondering which influenced the other. My preference is to believe that Pinnacles influenced the making of Hyperborea; ultimately this is the chicken and egg thing all over again and isn't that important. Overall, Pinnacles seems to be much more meditative in quality, capturing that aspect of the desert which lulls the mind into a state of sleeping awareness. I'd describe it as 'music for staring at nothing in particular for long periods of time.' It's very unobtrusive; each piece just kind of 'hangs in the air' and doesn't attempt to do anything overwhelming. Hyperborea, on the other hand, takes a lot of the same thematic material and turns out a very impressive display of hyperactive sequences, expansive chord progressions, and thundering percussion. I tend to pick this one apart more critically than Pinnacles. I didn't like No-Man's Land: it seems to want to do what 'Specific Gravity of Smile' does for me, which is to kind of relax the mind, leave it open so that it will not only hear but listen to itself. However, there's too much boinging and thumping around, and as a result, I keep waiting for the piece to 'do something,' even after the nth time of listening to it. The tracks that follow, however, are much 'better,' by which I think I mean that they achieve what they set out to do: to instill a sense of awe and wonder at what the synthesizer can do in the hands of the right person or people. Even the maligned Cinnamon Road, for being a filler piece, has its moment of glory: I'd say toward the end, when the melodic string-thing that sounds like a sitar but with a bit of an edge to it starts improvising along the melody line. It would have been interesting if TD had combined Cinnamon Road with Sphynx Lightning. Anyway, that's what I thought about it. -- Mark J. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 24, 1997 5:53 pm Subject: Re: My vote for worst TD track ever! Really-From: Mark Jones > > Glad someone else likes Miracle Mile. In my opinion it *is* the best > Tangerine Dream soundtrack. > I agree. 'Museum Walk' and 'Running Out of Time' remain among my favorite pieces. One question: is this piece 'Love on a Real Train,' which I keep reading so much about, the same as 'Running Out of Time?' The reason I ask is because in a posting several months ago listing the program for the '92 Scottsdale gig, someone had written that they had played 'LOART.' However, it was my recollection, however mistaken, that the piece was in fact 'Running Out of Time.' I was wondering if the pieces were similar. -- Mark J. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4198 Running Out of Time dbrewer@a... Sun 5/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 24, 1997 8:40 pm Subject: Now playing: JMJarre Oxygene 7-13 Really-From: Craig Shipley Just received the new JMJ in the mail yesterday (surprisingly enough, the Tower in Atlanta had it in stock on the day of release, but I already had an order placed with CDNow for it. Didn't think that I would see a copy down this way for a long time). Loaded with vintage (and modern synths & samplers, too...) keys and rhythm machines. Has the flavour of the original Oxygene, but updated to the '90's. The whole disk flows from one track to the next; shame that it is only a little over 40 minutes long... This one will get a heck of a lot more play than the last few (dozen?) releases by Tangerine Dream, heck it already has been played more that ToB or DM or TotT... I would love to see TD do something like this; take the spirit and the synths of the pioneering '70's and apply it to their music of the '90's. Mayhaps someone should send the Froeses' a copy of Jarres' latest with a 'NYAHHH-NYAHHH-NYAAAAA!!!! Lookee what he did!!!' note attached. I would love to see the two (Jean-Michel & Edgar) get into a contest to see who could do a more retro release ('Take that, Herr Froese, just a Mellotron, a VCS3 and a tacky rhythm box!!' 'Ach, mine hast only eine audio generator, a EMS and a tape recording of a auto-recycling plant for der rhythm!!! Not a digital or an FM synth to be found!!!' 'My single track is 45 minute long!' 'HA! Mine is 60!!' etc. etc... ) I think that we (the listening public) would all be the winners... Which do you think will sell more copies, GOBBLIN' CLUB or OXYGENE 7-13 (my bets are on the French guy on the Sony label...) Don't need no asbestos undies, I can take the heat...Fire at will... >:-) Craig Shipley craigs@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4194 Re: Now playing: JMJarre Oxygene 7-13 Brian Frick Sat 5/24/1997 4 KB 4196 Re: Now playing: JMJarre Oxygene 7-13 Dennis Nigbur Sat 5/24/1997 3 KB 4204 Re: Now playing: JMJarre Oxygene 7-13 Paul Nagle Sun 5/25/1997 3 KB 4210 Re: Now playing: JMJarre Oxygene 7-13 Ricky Sun 5/25/1997 3 KB 4211 Re: Now playing: JMJarre Oxygene 7-13 Steve McCready Sun 5/25/1997 4 KB 4333 Re: Now playing: JMJarre Oxygene 7-13 Greg Heil Thu 5/29/1997 3 KB 4337 Re: Now playing: JMJarre Oxygene 7-13 Greg Heil Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 24, 1997 9:04 pm Subject: Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or Like PINNACLES? Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-24 13:51:32 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Mark Jones < I didn't like No-Man's Land: it seems to want to do what 'Specific Gravity of Smile' does for me, which is to kind of relax the mind, leave it open so that it will not only hear but listen to itself. However, there's too much boinging and thumping around, and as a result, I keep waiting for the piece to 'do something,' even after the nth time of listening to it. >> I like what you wrote! I felt I needed to comment again on No-Man's Land. Earlier I had said that this was my LEAST favorite on the album...still is. But to clarify my position, I like what they were trying to do. It is an interesting experiment in eastern/Indian music, an attempt to mimic the sitar, tabla, etc. sounds with the synthesiser. I just don't feel it was wholly successful...none-the-less pretty amazing for the time. In the end, though, I think I'd rather hear this music performed by the real masters of it - like Ravi Shankar! Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 2:09 am Subject: Cyclone Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Fri, 23 May 1997 15:22:41 -0500 (CDT) tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) > > >You wrote: >> >>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >>who also feels Cyclone is way underrated -- I even like the vocals!! >> > >I'm with you on that statement, Cyclone is a very good album! > > Martyn It is probably underrated because it is so different from everything else TD have done, especially at that point in time when it was actually released. It seems less electronic and more rock-ish than Encore, does not have the 'flowing' mood of Pergamon or Tangram, and is more sinister and somber than Force Majeure. Above all, it's got vocals. I suppose that most TD fans don't like it because it seems to be so different, almost alien, and not really a part of the development of TD. It doesn't seem to actually be a transition between Encore and Force Majeure; it is in some confusing way extraordinary, say, _odd_. Conversely, having vocals and a very clear rock structure, I reckon it might be quite accessible for non-TD fans. It was the one and only TD record my father ever bought, and it was my own first TD experience. Personally, I like Cyclone, especially 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'. It's got a very narrative, almost epic style (somewhere between The Doors and Jethro Tull) that for some strange reason always reminds me of some scenes from 'Neverending Story'. I really don't know why. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4216 Re: Cyclone feldon@n... Mon 5/26/1997 3 KB 4218 Re: Cyclone Dennis Nigbur Mon 5/26/1997 4 KB 4225 Re: Cyclone TangerineC@a... Mon 5/26/1997 2 KB 4230 Neverending Story Kenneth W. Beal Mon 5/26/1997 2 KB 4233 Re: Neverending Story Eduardo Nava. enava.mcsa.net Mon 5/26/1997 3 KB 4286 Re: Cyclone PNaunton@a... Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB 4312 Brick Matt Williams Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB 4292 Re: Cyclone Janne Salmijärvi Wed 5/28/1997 3 KB 4294 Re: Cyclone Craig R. J. Cordrey Wed 5/28/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 2:13 am Subject: Re: 'Optical Race.' Worst TD Track Ever? Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Fri, 23 May 97 16:20:52 EDT tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > I guess I'll have to go with the title track to OPTICAL RACE. Yep, that track is no fun at all. It seems to be the most uninteresting, trite material I know...mind you, I reckon that on the whole, Optical Race isn't too bad. I even like 'Cat Scan' and 'The Midnight Trail'...and 'Ghazal' is just lovely!! If we were talking about TD's worst _album_, I think my choice would be Rockoon. Dennis. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4200 Re: 'Optical Race.' Worst TD Track Ever? Vic Rek Sun 5/25/1997 2 KB 4201 Re: 'Optical Race.' Worst TD Track Ever? Greg Heil Sun 5/25/1997 2 KB 4202 Re: 'Optical Race.' Worst TD Track Ever? Francisco Salgado C. Sun 5/25/1997 2 KB 4206 Re: 'Optical Race.' Worst TD Track Ever? Dennis Nigbur Sun 5/25/1997 3 KB 4217 Re: 'Optical Race.' Worst TD Track Ever? feldon@n... Mon 5/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 24, 1997 9:21 pm Subject: Re: Now playing: JMJarre Oxygene 7-13 Really-From: Brian Frick tadream mailing list wrote: > Didn't think that I would see a copy > down this way for a long time). No faith in the Sony guys? :) > Loaded with vintage (and modern synths & > samplers, too...) keys and rhythm machines. Has the flavour of the original > Oxygene, but updated to the '90's. The whole disk flows from one track to > the next; shame that it is only a little over 40 minutes long... This one > will get a heck of a lot more play than the last few (dozen?) releases by > Tangerine Dream, heck it already has been played more that ToB or DM or > TotT... You aren't kidding. In fact, I've only played the last eight TD releases that I own a mere -8 times. Can't stand them all that much. Unless I've been a bad boy and had too much to drink, then they get pulled out because I have built up my (liquid) courage enough to give them a listen :) > I would love to see TD do something like this; take the spirit and the > synths of the pioneering '70's and apply it to their music of the '90's. Hear, hear!! Excellent idea, Edgar, Jerome, et.al. > Mayhaps someone should send the Froeses' a copy of Jarres' latest with a > 'NYAHHH-NYAHHH-NYAAAAA!!!! Lookee what he did!!!' note attached. I would > love to see the two (Jean-Michel & Edgar) get into a contest to see who > could do a more retro release ('Take that, Herr Froese, just a Mellotron, a > VCS3 and a tacky rhythm box!!' 'Ach, mine hast only eine audio generator, a > EMS and a tape recording of a auto-recycling plant for der rhythm!!! Not a > digital or an FM synth to be found!!!' 'My single track is 45 minute long!' > 'HA! Mine is 60!!' etc. etc... ) I think that we (the listening public) > would all be the winners... *lol* this is funny. I think that a competition would screw the music though. Let's just hope that Edgar catches on. Instead of releasing $9 billion of retro releases, he should pull out the old machines! > Which do you think will sell more copies, GOBBLIN' CLUB or OXYGENE 7-13 (my > bets are on the French guy on the Sony label...) He's (Jarre) already gone Gold or Platinum in almost every European country!! -- Later! -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 3:40 am Subject: Re: Barbakane Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Sat, 24 May 1997 09:30:36 -0600 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: feldon@n... > > >I used the words 'burger king' to describe Barbakane. Maybe this is too >negative, but really, I just listened to Barbakane (from Poland 2CD) and >kept a mental note of the number of instruments/sounds/samples/notes which >elicit a negative physical reaction in me... > >After time index 14:00, out of approximately 35 sound >effects/instruments/samples/notes (a horn sound, a tapping sound, a >slurshing sound, etc.) I have a negative physical reaction to about 28 of >them.... > >I mean, how can I describe this... the notes that are *almost* in key but >slur down half a note near the end of the song...absolutely make me cringe! > >Am I alone here? > >Morgan >feldon@n... Well, I haven't really listened to Poland recently. As you know, all I have at the moment is the 'Excerpts from Poland' version, and the full version (which I'm looking forward to receiving quite soon) would be spoiled if I played it now. I remember Barbakane as a really nice piece, though. As far as I can recall, there's that really peaceful, almost minstrel-style intro in some sort of flute-like sound...then a few drum loops, effects and melody fragments, nothing particularly catchy, but nice and atmospheric and still rather peaceful and relaxing...and finally, it all blends into 'Warsaw in the Sun', which in my view has a much greater effect when concluding the very slow and mellow build-up, rather than being played on its own. As I said before, the same things also goes for the 'Two Bunch Palms' version on Quinoa. Regard the piece as some sort of musical narrative, and the lack of melody in the opening parts of 'Barbakane' will be outweighed. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 3:47 am Subject: Re: Now playing: JMJarre Oxygene 7-13 Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Sat, 24 May 1997 16:40:08 -0400 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Craig Shipley > >This one >will get a heck of a lot more play than the last few (dozen?) releases by >Tangerine Dream, heck it already has been played more that ToB or DM or >TotT... > >I would love to see TD do something like this; take the spirit and the >synths of the pioneering '70's and apply it to their music of the '90's. It is a really good album. If anything, though, it's _too_ similar to 'Oxygene'. The question is if JMJ will be able to keep up the 'spirit of the 70s' he employs in 'Oxygene 7-13' on future releases that are _not_ based on Oxygene, Equinoxe, etc. in terms of melodies, sounds, etc. Knowing TD, I'm sure they wouldn't go out of their way to do 'Rubycon Parts 3&4' or 'Tangram Set Three'. I wouldn't mind, though, if their style of composition became more similar to the 70s method again... Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 12:37 am Subject: Kassel concert Really-From: stephan bischoff After London and Hamburg I still haven't seen enough of them, so I'm thinking of Kassel and London (again)... Does anybody knows where to get tickets for the Kassel open air? I searched the Documenta X site on the WWW, but TD wasn't mentioned or listed as artist appearing on 26th June. Any info would be great. Stephan _____ __________________________________________________________ / || \ |E-mail|| Stephan.Bischoff@H... | \_____||____________________________________________________ | / || | | Home ||http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/index.html | \_____||__________________________________________________________/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4224 Re: Kassel concert Jens Kilian Mon 5/26/1997 2 KB 4227 Re: Kassel concert =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ingo_P=FCschma Mon 5/26/1997 3 KB 4280 Re: Kassel concert Strzempko@a... Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB 4764 Kassel concert HMller1095@a... Sun 6/8/1997 2 KB 4929 Kassel concert Christian Wed 6/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 1:07 am Subject: Running Out of Time Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Mark Jones > > I agree. 'Museum Walk' and 'Running Out of Time' remain among my favorite > pieces. One question: is this piece 'Love on a Real Train,' which I keep > reading so much about, the same as 'Running Out of Time?' The reason I > ask is because in a posting several months ago listing the program for the > '92 Scottsdale gig, someone had written that they had played 'LOART.' > However, it was my recollection, however mistaken, that the piece was in > fact 'Running Out of Time.' I was wondering if the pieces were similar. > I think ROoT was inspired by LoaRT. I remember hearing the track in question in the '92 Scottsdale show and trying to decide which it was... I wonder if it was a blending of the two... Memory's failing me a little right now... :-/ Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 3:33 am Subject: Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or Like PINNACLES? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Mark Jones > > I have both Hyperborea and Pinnacles and like them both. They are > both very similar, and I've spent no end of time wondering which > influenced the other. My preference is to believe that Pinnacles > influenced the making of Hyperborea; ultimately this is the chicken and > egg thing all over again and isn't that important. Hi Everybody. This has been a fascinating discussion and a real 'learning thread.' I'd like to thank all participants for their insightful remarks. Regarding which came first, I believe 'Pinnacles' was recorded in May of 1983 and 'Hyperborea,' three months later, in August. Personally, I love them both and I would rank 'Hyperborea' as one of my three or four most favorite studio albums, but I don't see (or hear, actually) any more relationship between them than between any of the other albums of the early 80s. For example, 'Hyperborea' and 'White Eagle' are more connected to me than are 'Hyperborea' and 'Pinnacles.' It's funny how to the uninitiated, all TD sounds alike and to us, the albums all sound different. I think each album is unique and this applies to the Melrose albums as well. I like the Schmoelling era best as I would guess the majority does. But think each album has been an experiment of sorts and relative to other bands and their experiments, very successful and 'developmental.' Back in December I started a thread by trying to compare TD and KS. I said that TD has been more consistent than Klaus. Most disagreed with me at the time. I wonder if most still disagree? Cheers to All. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 4:46 am Subject: Re: 'Optical Race.' Worst TD Track Ever? Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur >If we were talking about TD's worst _album_, I think my choice would be >Rockoon. Without a doubt! Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 5:37 am Subject: Re: 'Optical Race.' Worst TD Track Ever? Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > >If we were talking about TD's worst _album_, I think my choice would be > >Rockoon. > > Without a doubt! > Vic I think there are some good tracks on Rockoon! (Not many, but a few) Who's hiccuping on track two? Whatever sound that is, I hope they never recycle it! Talk about weird sounds.. Then track three.. (Touchwood) tells me to 'sleep!' Guess that's what Rockoon does for most of us... Greg From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 8:57 am Subject: Re: 'Optical Race.' Worst TD Track Ever? Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Vic Rek > > >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > >If we were talking about TD's worst _album_, I think my choice would be > >Rockoon. > > Without a doubt! I cannot understand you sau that. Zooning, Turn of Tides and Goblins club are worse than rockoon. My vote goes to Zooning. Ans if soundtracks aren't included on this then Goblins Club. --- Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 9:44 am Subject: Oh No! Not Spice AGAIN!! Really-From: ashok prema NO! NO! I won't mention S**** G**** again - but the recent comments re: Jon Michel Jarre made me think of the same thing - that JMJ is so popular because he is a master of producing great melodies (amongst other things like marketing, being married to an actress, looking good, presenting a great image, doing blockbuster concert events etc), his first ever big hit, 'Oxygene' which got into no 1 in the Top of The Pops chart was because of a simple but effective melody line - wrapped up with wonderful spacey effects - TD were into producing long tracks like on 'Rubycon' and 'Phaedra'. It does seem to me that TD have never been very good at producing at 3 mins of memorable melody - and are now trying to do exactly that - again without great success. Personally, I prefer the longer tracks which build up and take you on a journey - much more of an experience - like a 3-course gourmet meal rather than a MacDonalds Burger - both fill you up but the former is more memorable and satisfying. One of their nicest recent long tracks for me is 'Quinoa' - lovely chords and sequences - pity the ending lets it down - seems like they got fed up and thought ' Ah well, thats enough of that, lets draw it to a close - hold on - how about a brass chord here? - ok and chuck in a change of drum pattern.......that'll do - lets call it a day - should be good enough for the fan club' Again The long track on 'Hyperborea' is great because it is so subtle! and the journey from start to finish evokes a lot of images - I do like the 'cows mooing' sound - know the one I mean?. Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4205 Re: Oh No! Not Spice AGAIN!! Dennis Nigbur Sun 5/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 5:10 pm Subject: Re: Now playing: JMJarre Oxygene 7-13 Really-From: Paul Nagle On Sat, 24 May 1997 16:40:08 -0400, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >Which do you think will sell more copies, GOBBLIN' CLUB or OXYGENE 7-13 (my >bets are on the French guy on the Sony label...) I think the new Oxygene deserves to sell more, but it will anyway as most 'normal' people (so I don't include us lot!) are fed up with TD due to too many substandard samey releases.... It'd take something extra special to lure me into buying TD albums again, at least until I've collected all my old favourites on CD.... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 4:55 pm Subject: Re: Oh No! Not Spice AGAIN!! Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Sun, 25 May 1997 10:44:44 +0100 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: ashok prema > > >NO! NO! I won't mention S**** G**** again - but the recent comments re: >Jon Michel Jarre made me think of the same thing - that JMJ is so popular >because he is a master of producing great melodies (amongst other things >like marketing, being married to an actress, looking good, presenting a >great image, doing blockbuster concert events etc), his first ever big hit, >'Oxygene' which got into no 1 in the Top of The Pops chart was because of >a simple but effective melody line - wrapped up with wonderful spacey >effects - TD were into producing long tracks like on 'Rubycon' and >'Phaedra'. There's more to Jarre's music than catchy three-minute fragments, though. Most of his albums are, basically, one-track...the excerpts that made it into the charts are just parts of the whole movement. Think about 'Quinoa', from which TD included the 'Two Bunch Palms' fragment in their 1992 show...that's roughly the idea. I know that the discussion about what is actually a single track, and what is an assembly of tracks linked by effects and crossfading, has been going on on the list a while ago, but regardless of that, you cannot claim that JMJ's music was less complex or interesting than the TD works of the time. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 5:02 pm Subject: Re: 'Optical Race.' Worst TD Track Ever? Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Sun, 25 May 1997 10:57:12 +0200 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' >I cannot understand you sau that. Zooning, Turn of Tides and Goblins >club are worse than rockoon. My vote goes to Zooning. Ans if soundtracks >aren't included on this then Goblins Club. > >--- Francisco Well, I haven't heard 'Zoning', but as for 'Turn of the Tides' and 'Goblins Club', what they certainly have going for them is that they have some sort of quasi-narrative structure to link the individual pieces. TotT has a distinctive 'panorama' feel, with the sounds and chords spreading out into almost infinity; and GC has a very solemn, mysterious atmosphere to it that makes you think of foggy plains, damp forests and the sea at night... To me, 'Rockoon' doesn't offer any of that sort. It seems to me like a totally random collection of songs, maybe two or three of which are quite nice - but I don't even remember which ones... Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 12:51 pm Subject: Re: My vote for worst TD track ever! Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> Glad someone else likes Miracle Mile. In my opinion it *is* the best >> Tangerine Dream soundtrack. > >I agree. 'Museum Walk' and 'Running Out of Time' remain among my favorite >pieces. One question: is this piece 'Love on a Real Train,' which I keep >reading so much about, the same as 'Running Out of Time?' The reason I They're similar, but not identical. Scott np: Miracle Mile (how convenient!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: lily on the beach zeo remixes Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >Dreamers- Rare Trax 2 includes the following tracks from the 'Lily on >the Beach' Zeo >Remixes 1989 - -Atmospheric remix - -Metamorphic remix - -Stratospheric >remix - -Atmospheric remix - -Polymorphic remix - -- does anyone know >**anything** about the Zeo remixes? was this a promo? >or a separate single (it is about 30-odd minutes of music) or some >limited >release? Does anyone on this list have it? Was this a Haslinger remix >thing? was it a private music release, if so what is the number? >anyone?= > >anywhere? anything? help? Use the source, Lars ;-) The remix was done inofficially by Private Music studio staff. Never officially released, just circulating (before Rare Trax 2) on a cassette in the usual Private Music pre-release design. No number. In my 'updates' I only review stuff that I hold in my own hands, so, yes, someone on the list does have it. And there are still a few copies of Rare Trax 2 available (limited edition of 20). And for the dude who recently wrote here that Christoph hadn't done any solo stuff during his time as a TD member: some solo demos are on this very same CDR. -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 2:39 pm Subject: Re: (amb) FS: Tangerine Dream vinyl (unplayed) Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-23 23:01:27 EDT, you write: << Does everybody already have these vinyl LPs?? Please drop me a line, Thanks, Charlie James >> I have them all. Of course mine, unlike yours, have seen some action on the old analog turntable, some as recent as yesterday. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 5:01 pm Subject: Re: Now playing: JMJarre Oxygene 7-13 Really-From: Ricky tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Paul Nagle > > On Sat, 24 May 1997 16:40:08 -0400, tadream@c... (tadream > mailing list) wrote: > > >Which do you think will sell more copies, GOBBLIN' CLUB or OXYGENE 7-13 (my > >bets are on the French guy on the Sony label...) > I think the new Oxygene deserves to sell more, but it will anyway as > most 'normal' people (so I don't include us lot!) are fed up with TD > due to too many substandard samey releases.... > It'd take something extra special to lure me into buying TD albums > again, at least until I've collected all my old favourites on CD.... > Paul > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ > Paul Nagle - paul@s... > www.softroom.demon.co.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ Why do you want a competition, these cd's are both good Ricky From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 1:05 am Subject: Re: Now playing: JMJarre Oxygene 7-13 Really-From: sbm@s... (Steve McCready) On Sat, 24 May 1997 16:40:08 -0400, Craig wrote: >Just received the new JMJ in the mail yesterday...Didn't think that I would see a copy >down this way for a long time). I was fortunate enough to discover a copy on Friday at a local music store. Did your copy have the scary sticker on it proclaiming 'The long awaited return of techno's international master! Featuring the club hit OXYGENE 8' ? I was amused. > Loaded with vintage (and modern synths & >samplers, too...) keys and rhythm machines. Has the flavour of the original >Oxygene, but updated to the '90's. My girlfriend, who's a bit familiar with Jarre from having heard me play Oxygene and Equinoxe a lot, immediately recognized the connection w/the original Oxygene. Both of us thought it was really well done - the connection was clearly there (in a few parts, perhaps a bit too much so), but it still had a 90's sound on it. >This one will get a heck of a lot more play than the last few (dozen?) releases by >Tangerine Dream, heck it already has been played more that ToB or DM or >TotT... On this end, it's gotten more play than ToTT already, and is quickly closing in on ToB. Oxygene 7,8 and 11 are my favorites at the moment. Oxygene 11 obviously borrows some from 'Digisequencer', and that's just fine by me, as it was about the only track on 'Hong Kong' which was worth much, IMO. >I would love to see TD do something like this; take the spirit and the >synths of the pioneering '70's and apply it to their music of the '90's. I keep waiting and hoping that it'll happen, but no such luck thus far. If GC had half as many tracks and explored the musical ideas there a bit longer, it would be getting closer. However, it really ends up being a very 90's album, good for those with a short attention span ... 'ok, here's this musical idea .. ok, next ... ok, next ... don't want you to get BORED or anything!' >Which do you think will sell more copies, GOBBLIN' CLUB or OXYGENE 7-13 (my >bets are on the French guy on the Sony label...) Not even a close call, at least worldwide. Interesting to see that Jarre is now on EPIC here in the US. Oxygene 7-13 is a pleasant surprise from an artist who I thought had gotten too self-indulgent to produce enjoyable music. I'm glad I was wrong. -Steve sbm@p... Sacramento, CA when replying, remove the second 'sbm' in the address From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 2:21 pm Subject: tadream-digest V15 #930 Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) Just a few comments: Worst TD music ? IMO: Electronic Meditation & Alpha Centauri; they won't get played again. I have Hyperborea & Pinnacles, and like them both equally. Who cares which one influenced the other one ? Miracle Mile ST: I think that's pretty good, too. I don't contribute much, but I read every one of the TD digests. It seems to me that an awful lot of people on here have been complaining about some of the recent TD releases. HEY ! you don't like 'em, don't listen to 'em ! Better yet, give them to somebody that might like to have them, but can't afford them. How's that grab ya ? NP: JMJ Oxygene 7 - 13 IF YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO IT RIGHT, WHEN YA GOIN' TO HAVE TIME TO DO IT OVER ? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 6:56 pm Subject: Alpha Centauri Really-From: TangerineC@a... I have the old Relativity release of Alpha on cd. In the opening minutes of the first track you here what sounds like dropouts in the tape. Then in the begining of track 2, if you listen very closely, you can hear crackling, as if they used a Lp to record this cd. Does the new Castle release have this also? Or is it just part of the music or what? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4228 Re: Alpha Centauri Craig R. J. Cordrey Mon 5/26/1997 3 KB 4282 Re: Alpha Centauri PhilPDX@a... Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB 4298 Re: Alpha Centauri anunes@m... Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB 10086 Alpha Centauri Lawrysimm Fri 1/16/1998 2 KB 10133 Re: Alpha Centauri Colin Knowles Mon 1/19/1998 3 KB 10142 Re: Alpha Centauri Marcel Engels Mon 1/19/1998 3 KB 10169 Re: Alpha Centauri Lawrysimm Wed 1/21/1998 3 KB 10182 Re: Alpha Centauri Marcel Engels Wed 1/21/1998 3 KB 11757 Alpha Centauri Lawry Simm Sat 3/7/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 7:13 pm Subject: D: Tangents Really-From: Boneheads1@a... I think Tangents is my favorite Tangerine Dream album. I have pretty much heard every TD album at the time they were released since I heard Phaedra in 1974. When CDs came out I was quite intimidated at the prospect of replacing a considerable record/tape collection with CDs. I got Dream Sequence and was disappointed to find out that many of what appeared on the outside cover to be full length pieces were actually shortened excerpts. Later, I happened to meet Matt Hargreaves in a local CD store and he told me about a new compilation of remastered music that was soon to be coming out. Tangents was such a suprise! It allowed me to rediscover so much wonderful music that my ears/mind had become accustomed to over years of repeated playing. I now have all the studio albums and live releases on CD, but I still play Tangents quite often to provide that 'other look' at the music which I think does a lot to keeping it alive. Thanks Edgar for taking the time to give us something extra in this one! Tim Scallon From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 8:01 pm Subject: Re: Now playing: FIRESTARTER Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... Just a programming note. 'Firestarter' is currently showing on the USA Network channel if you have it available, or are interested in seeing it again. It's been a while for me, so I am interested in how the ST fits into the film. Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 11:59 pm Subject: Re: Re:Cyclone Really-From: feldon@n... At 10:09 PM 5/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur >>Cyclone >It is probably underrated because it is so different from everything else TD >have done, especially at that point in time when it was actually released. It >seems less electronic and more rock-ish than Encore, does not have the >'flowing' mood of Pergamon or Tangram, and is more sinister and somber >than Force Majeure. Above all, it's got vocals. To me, it is the next logical step after Force Majeure (except for the vocals). Yes, it's harsh and sinister, but isn't Encore? It's been over a year since I've listened to Encore and I need to listen to it again, honestly, I compared Encore to the 90's stuff and preferred the 90's stuff (I started with 90's stuff and have *lost* interest in it as I've moved backward to '74 --I'm stopped here, but am considering going a bit further... I am sure I will perceive Encore differently now that I have Phaedra, Rubycon, Stratosfear, Tangram and Pergamon; which I didn't have when I got Encore... >Personally, I like Cyclone, especially 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'. It's got a very >narrative, almost epic style (somewhere between The Doors and Jethro Yes. And, (donning fireproof knickers) I like the Tangerine Ambience version *just as much*. >Tull) that for some strange reason always reminds me of some scenes from >'Neverending Story'. I really don't know why. Good movie, no? Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 12:08 am Subject: Re: 'Optical Race.' Worst TD Track Ever? Really-From: feldon@n... At 10:57 AM 5/25/97 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > >> >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur >> >If we were talking about TD's worst _album_, I think my choice would be >> >Rockoon. >> >I cannot understand you sau that. Zooning, Turn of Tides and Goblins >club are worse than rockoon. My vote goes to Zooning. Ans if soundtracks >aren't included on this then Goblins Club. Optical Race, Zoning, and Destination Berlin are tied for worst, IMHO. I don't see Turn of the Tides as one of the worst. You have to understand that my first tape was ToTT and my second tape was Rockoon. Even after having heard almost everything else released by TD, I have to put Turn of the Tides and bits of Rockoon above Melrose, Optical Race, and even parts of White Eagle. Turn of the Tides may be sickeningly instrumental to some people, but I like it. And yes, I do think it's exceptionally tacky that track 3 has car and cricket sounds in it!! And let's not talk about the party sound effects in that other track! Yes, TD has over-done their Native American chants library, time to move on, or move back, to analogue, n'est pas? And if track (I forget, 5 or 6) on Goblin's Club is supposed to be a boys choir, why does it sound like samples? I don't know boys that stop and start their notes like that!!! I prefer the Mellotron choruses to the stuff on Goblin's Club. Ok, spouting mode off... back to blind lover of TD... Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 4:16 am Subject: Re: Re:Cyclone Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Sun, 25 May 1997 17:59:14 -0600 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: feldon@n... > >To me, it is the next logical step after Force Majeure (except for the >vocals). It was released _before_ FM, though, wasn't it? It's true that if there's any album of TD's that Cyclone would be similar to, it would be that, but still I have the impression that it is a dead end that was given up after just one record. >Yes, it's harsh and sinister, but isn't Encore? It's been over a >year since I've listened to Encore and I need to listen to it again, >honestly, I compared Encore to the 90's stuff and preferred the 90's stuff >(I started with 90's stuff and have *lost* interest in it as I've moved >backward to '74 --I'm stopped here, but am considering going a bit further... Encore (in my own personal opinion, as usual), rather than being harsh, could be called somewhat coarse, as the links between the individual elements of the whole suite structure (which was employed on 'Encore' for the first time, if I remember well) are not as refined and fluent as they were in the Schmoelling era. If you've got Phaedra, Rubycon and Stratosfear, just listen to 'Encore' again, and I'm sure you'll like it. It's a good record and a very interesting demonstration of the TD skills of that time - even if I like 'Patrolling Space Borders' just as much, if not more. >>Personally, I like Cyclone, especially 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'. It's got a very >>narrative, almost epic style (somewhere between The Doors and Jethro > >Yes. And, (donning fireproof knickers) I like the Tangerine Ambience version >*just as much*. Glad to find someone who agrees with me on the atmosphere of 'Cyclone'. I haven't heard the Tangerine Ambience version, though. >>Tull) that for some strange reason always reminds me of some scenes from >>'Neverending Story'. I really don't know why. > >Good movie, no? It certainly is. But can you see the link to 'Cyclone'? Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 4:20 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #930/Alpha Centauri Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Sun, 25 May 1997 14:21:47, -0500 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) > > >Just a few comments: Worst TD music ? IMO: Electronic Meditation & >Alpha Centauri; they won't get played again. Disagree with you there. I don't have EM, but 'Alpha Centauri' is excellent! Listening to that album first, and all the others until 'Phaedra' after that, I actually get the impression that 'Zeit' and 'Atem' might have been a step backwards rather than forwards after 'Alpha Centauri'. Does anyone feel the same? Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 25, 1997 11:16 pm Subject: For the Record... Really-From: Jim Moore I happen to like 'Optical Race' and most of _Rockoon_. Nothing beats driving into the city on a bright summer morning like those albums... (I will admit that I have 'Spanish Love' programmed out...) 'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4221 Re: For the Record... Greg Heil Mon 5/26/1997 3 KB 4262 Re: For the Record... Erik Sanborn Tue 5/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 12:19 am Subject: Re: For the Record... Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > I happen to like 'Optical Race' and most of _Rockoon_. > Nothing beats driving into the city on a bright summer > morning like those albums... (I will admit that I have > 'Spanish Love' programmed out...) Okay! Shoot me everyone! I happen to like track 7--'Lifted Veil' this is wonderful music to listen to in the dark.. with just a candle lit.. Very emotional! Although I just can't understand WHY they had to put in a sax! The song in it's simple nature is fine without the addition of the dreaded sax :) MHO. I also like track 8--'Penguin Reference' as it continues the tempo of the last track. About the only time I see TD having a direction in this album is between these two songs. Wish they were combined into one track.. as the second leads the same tempo into more up tempo stuff. 'Spanish Love'? Take out that clack-clack-clack-clack and it would be fine! Greg.. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 2:20 am Subject: Rumpel CDs Really-From: AslanFan1@a... Im back from vacation, so if anyone here is still looking for new copies of the out of print TD CD 'Rumpelstiltskin', please email me asap. I've got a few left. Thanks! -Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 2:45 am Subject: Consistency of TD Really-From: Pawel Jachowicz Dear Dreamers, It has been a very long time since I last read or participated in the list. I have been catching up on the reading today and there are some great TD threads running. Hyperborea: I remember when I first listened to this album in 1984. I did not even realize that they released it until then. I was very influenced by Tangram, Logos and Exit and Hyperborea seemed like something totally different. At first I did not like it, but the more I listened to it, the more I enjoyed the music. In fact, after awhile there was a time where I continuously listened to it and found something new each time. I completely agree that the album must be heard as a whole. The second side complements the first side enormously and it is one of my all time favourite TD pieces. Consistency: I finally reached a point where I no longer expect from TD to be consistent. I think it is natural for any band to change, especially if its members change and almost thirty years pass since their first release. I definitely prefer TD's 70's and 80's repertoire, but their newest stuff is digestable with patience, sentiment and devotion. For me at least, it is not as emotionally absorbing as their earlier output. I have to agree with those who claim that Klaus Schulze has been much more consistent over the years than TD. I believe that the best measure of consistence is the emotional attachment I feel to the Artist's music. I can still listen to Klaus' concoctions and feel what he wanted to express. I got very attached to his Beyond Recall album, even though it is not that old. I no longer get this from TD's music. I tried, but I just could not find that passionate attachment I felt during the earlier years. Their music is still highly sentimental for me, and that is why I will probably still listen to it. Dream on everyone, Pawel -- Pawel Jachowicz, Computing Science, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada pavel@c... http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~pavel tangerine dream, christoph franke, edgar froese, johannes schmoelling klaus schulze, florian fricke, paul haslinger, klaus krueger, peter baumann Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4331 Re: Consistency of TD PhilPDX@a... Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 4446 Re: Consistency of TD PNaunton@a... Sat 5/31/1997 3 KB 4455 Re: Consistency of TD TangerineC@a... Sun 6/1/1997 2 KB 4464 Re: Consistency of TD Mark Filipak Sun 6/1/1997 2 KB 4486 Re: Consistency of TD Dennis Nigbur Mon 6/2/1997 3 KB 4769 Re: Consistency of TD PNaunton@a... Sun 6/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 6:54 am Subject: Re: Kassel concert Really-From: Jens Kilian > Does anybody knows where to get tickets for the Kassel open air? 'Moderne Welt' seems to handle the tickets for this one. I don't have the address handy, but it should be on the TD homepage somewhere. Tschuess, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-14-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) fax:+49-7031-14-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 7:36 am Subject: Re: Cyclone Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-25 19:30:46 EDT, you write: > that for some strange reason always reminds me of some scenes >from >>>'Neverending Story'. I really don't know why. It's funny you should mention 'Neverending Story. I always thought it sounded very TD-ish to me. although it did'nt remind me of Cyclone. It always reminded me of the Froese,Schmoelling, Franke era of TD. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4230 Neverending Story Kenneth W. Beal Mon 5/26/1997 2 KB 4233 Re: Neverending Story Eduardo Nava. enava.mcsa.net Mon 5/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 11:19 am Subject: TD in restaurants Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) Hi, I remember that on some FAQ (guess the FAQ on the official TD homepage) somebody asked TD what they would do if they are in a restaurant and suddenly realize that their music is played. The answer was that they'd pay the bill and leave. I asked myself what restaurant would play TD? Even in really good restaurants you mostly hear awful cover versions of mainstream pop or classical music with underlying drum beats and bass lines - a rape! But last week I've been in Palermo in Sicily. I had a wonderful 4 course dinner at the 'Il Mirto e la Rosa' in Palermo, adress Via Principe Granatelli, 30, for those who happen to be there and want to try. During my primo piatto, I almost dropped my cuttery in surprise! They played 'Catwalk'! Armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4229 Re: TD in restaurants Sean Montgomery Mon 5/26/1997 2 KB 4237 Re: TD in restaurants Francisco Salgado C. Mon 5/26/1997 3 KB 4268 Re: TD in restaurants Plumer, Scott Tue 5/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 1:04 pm Subject: Re: Kassel concert Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ingo_P=FCschmann?=' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Kassel concert > Date: Sonntag, 25. Mai 1997 08:37 > > Really-From: stephan bischoff > > > After London and Hamburg I still haven't seen enough of them, so I'm thinking > of Kassel and London (again)... > > Does anybody knows where to get tickets for the Kassel open air? > I searched the Documenta X site on the WWW, but TD wasn't mentioned or listed > as artist appearing on 26th June. > Any info would be great. > > Stephan > > _____ __________________________________________________________ > / || \ > |E-mail|| Stephan.Bischoff@H... | > \_____||____________________________________________________ | > / || | > | Home ||http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/index.html | > \_____||__________________________________________________________/ There you'll get your tickets at DM 45,- plus DM 12,- for p&p Moderne Welt GmbH Marienbaderstr. 6/1 Stuttgart 70372 Fax : +0711/9547470 Regards Ingo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 10:26 pm Subject: Re: Alpha Centauri Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > > I have the old Relativity release of Alpha on cd. In the opening minutes of > the first track you here what sounds like dropouts in the tape. Then in the > begining of track 2, if you listen very closely, you can hear crackling, as > if they used a Lp to record this cd. Does the new Castle release have this > also? Or is it just part of the music or what? Tom, I have listened (am listening) to the Castle remaster of this album and cannot hear the dropouts you suggest. However, the crackling you menion at the start of Fly and Collision of Comas Sola (one of TD's best track ever, IMHO) is certainly present. There is also a very significant tape hiss at the start of the first and third tracks, indeed wherever it is particularly quiet. As a complete idiot as far as musical recording techniques are concerned, I would guess that these noises appear on the master tapes too? NP : Alpha Centauri --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 4:14 pm Subject: Re: TD in restaurants Really-From: Sean Montgomery > I asked myself what restaurant would play TD? Even in really good > restaurants you mostly hear awful cover versions of mainstream pop > or classical music with underlying drum beats and bass lines - a rape! I took a friend of mine to her high school Formal back in 1990, and we went to a fairly nice resturant in Brantford, Canada. Le Parc was played in its entirety while we ate. I couldn't get anyone else to share in my enthusiasm. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 5:13 pm Subject: Neverending Story Really-From: 'Kenneth W. Beal' At 3:36 AM -0400 5/26/97, tadream mailing list wrote: >It's funny you should mention 'Neverending Story. I always thought it sounded >very TD-ish >to me. although it did'nt remind me of Cyclone. It always reminded me of the >Froese,Schmoelling, Franke era of TD. Who did the soundtrack for this movie, and is it worth obtaining? Ken Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4233 Re: Neverending Story Eduardo Nava. enava.mcsa.net Mon 5/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 5:40 pm Subject: THE MAN INSIDE ( L'affaire Wallraff) Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hi friends, Now playing, a modest cassette copy of The Man Inside. Whow!! Speaking about sountracks this one seems to be one of the most consistent, well crafted and a CD by it's own. Speaking about melodies, somebody said here TD never did a good one - like Jerre doed - Well, this CD has plenty of good, near comercial, melodies. Style similar to Destination Berlin ( haslinger hand here) but a lot more consistent. A good balance between melancholic song and dynamic energetic ones. Lots of musical background stuff for sports programs. Soundtrack value: 5 AS CD value: 4 AS In the hands of the Sony guys it could be the comercial hit TD deserved. I f you happend to see it bouy it. Ve-e-e-ry gooood value !!! ( I NEED A GOOD COPY OF IT BUYS !!, Cassette is only for a taste, so I'll try to find it) --Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 5:47 pm Subject: Re: Neverending Story Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' The music forn Neverending Story was done by Giorgio Morodor. I don't know if the music is worth buying, I don't have it. But I liked the movie and the music, so I guess the CD(?) would be nice too. Marcel Music-page : http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email : fsp@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4234 Re: Neverending Story TangerineC@a... Mon 5/26/1997 2 KB 4235 Re: Neverending Story TangerineC@a... Mon 5/26/1997 2 KB 4247 Neverending Story Craig R. J. Cordrey Tue 5/27/1997 3 KB 4272 Re: Neverending Story Rakinik Intertype (DJS) Tue 5/27/1997 3 KB 4275 Re: Neverending Story TangerineC@a... Tue 5/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 4:49 pm Subject: Re: Neverending Story Really-From: 'Eduardo Nava. enava.mcsa.net (Linux)' The NES was mostly played by Girgio Moroder (wich I dont like), but the auryn theme is composed by Klaus Doldinger. KD has (or had) hes best seller german jazz group, known as 'Passport'. The 'Runnning in Real Time' Passport album includes the Auryn theme.... Greetings from Monterrey, Mexico.... On Mon, 26 May 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Kenneth W. Beal' > > > At 3:36 AM -0400 5/26/97, tadream mailing list wrote: > > >It's funny you should mention 'Neverending Story. I always thought it sounded > >very TD-ish > >to me. although it did'nt remind me of Cyclone. It always reminded me of the > >Froese,Schmoelling, Franke era of TD. > > Who did the soundtrack for this movie, and is it worth obtaining? > > Ken > > ========================================================================= Eduardo Nava D.C. | Oh! magia VP-North Mexico (acnet.net) | que te alimentas de la ignorancia, Tel/Ph: (+528) 150-1000 (Mty) | permite que la tecnologia, E-mail: enava@a... | te recuerde con nostalgia!. Pagina Web: | http://enava.mcsa.net/ | ENDC95 ========================================================================= From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 6:54 pm Subject: Re: Neverending Story Really-From: TangerineC@a... I think it is worth obtaining. It's still in print and easy to find. Beautiful fantasy music. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 7:08 pm Subject: Re: Neverending Story Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-26 15:00:45 EDT, you write: >But I liked the movie and the music, so I guess the CD(?) would >be nice too. It is. And it's available on Cd. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 7:58 pm Subject: GoldTri is ALIVE!!! :) Really-From: Elana who? Listen up, all you guys who yearn for the days before Tangerine Dream discovered saxophones. :) And hello to everyone who wants to talk about artists like Mike Garrison and Mark Dwane and Mark Shreeve and Andy Pickford and other artist/groups that harken to the best days of Franke-era TD - you have your very own place now. You don't have to worry about being off-topic talking about those artists like on Tadream... they ARE the topic! :D Come subscribe to GoldTri, your new home for progressive-electronic music people, both artist and fans. GoldTri has a rudimentary web page: www.aracnet.com/~elana/goldtri.html The page explains the basics of what the GoldTri name means and how to subscribe. And for all you guys who like to complain that TD don't make music like they used to, well, it's time quit the complainin' and use GoldTri to seek out new, worthy artists who are carrying on the grand musicial tradition which you miss so much. There are some real unknown geniuses out there who need our support, so let's get on with it. Goldtri will be the place for this to happen. Please let other people know about this new list. See ya there! :) -Elana From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 9:08 pm Subject: Re: TD in restaurants Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > dinner at the 'Il Mirto e la Rosa' in Palermo, adress Via Principe > Granatelli, 30, for those who happen to be there and want to try. > During my primo piatto, I almost dropped my cuttery in surprise! > They played 'Catwalk'! Ponferrada, is a small town in the province of Leon, Spain, at the heart of a region called El Bierzo (see http://www.iranon.com/pradaatope.es) Well, I used to have my meal at an small restaurant near the old Hospital, (My job usually deals with hospitals so it was at hand) There the owner usually gave us good leoneese food ( fantastic meat, specially) and allways had good music, TD amonst them ( also Vangelis, Jarre, Kitaro and O'Hearn) what else should I as ?, even it was cheap !! ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 2:31 am Subject: Re: Cyclone/Neverending Story Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Mon, 26 May 1997 03:36:02 -0400 (EDT) tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > >It's funny you should mention 'Neverending Story. I always thought it sounded >very TD-ish >to me. although it did'nt remind me of Cyclone. It always reminded me of the >Froese,Schmoelling, Franke era of TD. It's actually the other way round: The film does _not_ remind me of 'Cyclone', but 'Cyclone' reminds me of the film!! Funny, isn't it? Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4243 Re: Cyclone/Neverending Story TangerineC@a... Tue 5/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 28, 1997 10:52 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #931 Really-From: emerson Would someone please e-mail me privately telling what to do to unsubscribe? I know I should have kept the mail with the instructions, but I cleaned up my mail file and now I don't have it. Too late. By the way, some of the best mailing lists I subscribe to have a hint for how to unsubscribe at the end of every digest mail. Please do consider this option, since I know I am not the first (or last) to be in the same situation. Cheers, Emerson Werneck emerson@b... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 3:36 am Subject: :::::Le Parc::::: Really-From: PNaunton@a... 26-MAY-97 Listening to 'Le Parc' again this morning. I enjoy this concept album, although, in general, I don't find myself attracted to the genre. This feels more like a triptych made popular in the nineteenth and early twentieth century by composers like Mussorgsky or Respighi. To me it is an expanding experience listening to TD's interpretation of the various parks. The music is varied in mood and style, shows good developmental creativity, and can be enjoyed on several levels. I have never gotten involved in ranking the music of Tangerine Dream. I have difficulty maintaining a consistent contiguous thought regarding this recording or that. The music is flexible enough that it can fit a variety of moods. Some recordings don't fit all of the time. I can't listen to 'Turn Of The Tides' cavalierly; it fits in a particular niche of my personality, one which does't come to the surface all that often. Once in a while, though, this music will really carry me off to distant lands and dimensions. On the other hand recordings like 'Force Majeure' I can listen to in almost any situation to achieve musical enlightenment. Occasionally though, oddities like 'Destination Berlin' take center stage as the 'recording of the day', and then at other times it sounds trite and uninspired. It is sometimes peculiar how changes in mood and drive will create different perspectives on the music of Tangerine Dream. This is the case for me at least. Perhaps mental instability has alot to do with it. ;-) Phil Naunton Now Playing - Otorino Respighi's 'Ancient Airs And Dances' (1917, '23, '32) Up Next - The Lew Tabackin Quartet 'What A Little Moonlight Can Do' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4242 Re: :::::Le Parc::::: Greg Heil Tue 5/27/1997 2 KB 4244 Re: :::::Le Parc::::: TangerineC@a... Tue 5/27/1997 2 KB 4314 Re: :::::Le Parc::::: PNaunton@a... Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB 4339 Re: :::::Le Parc::::: Greg Heil Thu 5/29/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 4:33 am Subject: Hey folks, I'm back! Really-From: Gabe Yedid Anyone miss me? ;) What have I missed here? Anything of great note? Gabe still unwinding from Bajan time, mon Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4245 Re: Hey folks, I'm back! Craig R. J. Cordrey Tue 5/27/1997 3 KB 4258 Re: Hey folks, I'm back! Gabe Yedid Tue 5/27/1997 2 KB 4260 Re: Hey folks, I'm back! Sean Montgomery Tue 5/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 5:08 am Subject: Re: :::::Le Parc::::: Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Perhaps mental instability has alot to do with it. ;-) > > Phil Naunton No joke my friend! It does have quite a bit to do with how a person can appreciate music. I know as a young artist, I have incredible mood swings.. not unlike many creative people. Emotional unrest.. social misfit.. manic depressant... Tangerine Dream has ya covered in all aspects! TD is MY Prozac.. Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 5:35 am Subject: Re: Cyclone/Neverending Story Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-26 17:47:40 EDT, you write: >It's actually the other way round: The film does _not_ remind me of >'Cyclone', but 'Cyclone' reminds me of the film!! Funny, isn't it? > >Dennis Hmmm........ That is pretty funny. Since one sounds nothing like the other. Maybe there is a section of music in there that makes you think of it. I'll have to listen again and find out. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 5:37 am Subject: Re: :::::Le Parc::::: Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-27 01:27:39 EDT, you write: > >No joke my friend! It does have quite a bit to do with how a person can >appreciate music. I know as a young artist, I have incredible mood swings.. > not unlike many creative people Wow!!!!! And here I thought it was only me! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 3:45 pm Subject: Re: Hey folks, I'm back! Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > Anyone miss me? ;) > > What have I missed here? Anything of great note? > > Gabe > still unwinding from Bajan time, mon Were you around at the announcement of the new tour CD 'Tournado' (no, this isn't a wind up)? A supposedly virginal CD of the second set of the current European tour? And, of course, the most important news is the european Tour part 3 - otherwise known as UK '97. Glosgow, here I come! Of course, that doesn't help you much, but thought you'd like to know!! 8-) --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4258 Re: Hey folks, I'm back! Gabe Yedid Tue 5/27/1997 2 KB 4260 Re: Hey folks, I'm back! Sean Montgomery Tue 5/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 8:22 am Subject: Re: Royal Albert Hall '75 Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > While listening to my tape of the Royal Albert Hall show from '75, I > noticed the introducer sounds remarkably like Eric Idle, from Monty > Python's Flying Circus. Is it really him? > > Scott It depends which copy you have. If it's the radio broadcast, then you're talking about Mr Tommy Vance, and it was taped from the UK Radio 1 show, The Friday Rock Show. If it's the Coefficients of Aural Expansion, then it's John Peel, the Radio 1 DJ who did a lot to popularise TD in the early years. -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 5:43 pm Subject: Neverending Story Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' This film you are talking about - is it the one featuring a small boy and a large dog with big ears that can fly? And featuring theme tune by Limahl, of Kajagoogoo 'fame'? And you guys think this is a great film? Surely you must be talking about something else, or my screen's incapable of showing smileys 8-). NP : Electronic Meditation (Yes, I do occassionally listen to this for pleasure, when I'm in the right mood). --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 11:32 am Subject: Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' Just listened to a tape of Kraftwerk playing live at this year's Tribal Gathering in England (can't remember exactly where). They still kick butt and no mistake. The crowd were in love with them ! It's interesting to note that pieces they composed in the mid '70s (twenty years ago, for those not so gifted at mental arithmetic) are still relevant enough to get a few thousand ravers, many of whom weren't born when 'Autobahn' came out, going wild. If that isn't a definition of 'seminal', I don't know what is. -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4249 Re: Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering Craig R. J. Cordrey Tue 5/27/1997 3 KB 4254 Re: Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering Grant Middleton Tue 5/27/1997 4 KB 4257 Re: Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering Craig R. J. Cordrey Tue 5/27/1997 4 KB 4259 Re: Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering Grant Middleton Tue 5/27/1997 3 KB 4266 Re: Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering gerryfox Tue 5/27/1997 2 KB 4297 Re: Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering anunes@m... Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 9:08 pm Subject: Re: Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > They still kick butt and no mistake. The crowd were in love with > them ! It's interesting to note that pieces they composed in > the mid '70s (twenty years ago, for those not so gifted at mental > arithmetic) are still relevant enough to get a few thousand ravers, > many of whom weren't born when 'Autobahn' came out, going wild. Yeah, but were they playing the originals, or 'The Mix' versions? I assume the latter, given that the whole 'gathering' is about up-tempo thumpy music. If this is the case then even TD have shown that they can achieve the sam effect (Dream Mixes). IMHO, Dream Mixes is better than The Mix. Not intended to start another KW vs TD war, just a comment. And with the klunk-klink-ping-gap of the original KW work, it's not too difficult to augment a whacking great THUMP on top without altering the underlying music much. Couldn't really do the same with the type of music TD was producing at the same time, eh? Remember, Grant, you have to be nice to me for at least another 8 days! 8-)) --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 1:11 pm Subject: Re: Tangents and Orb Remix Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-05-23 18:46:11 EDT, you write: << I was tempted to buy an Orb album a little while ago but after hearing this I have definitly changed my mind...all I can say is the only orb I will be listening to is the one with ital at the end of it!!. >> this is a bit harsh...granted, this was not the orbs best effort, but i think if u were to listen to fluffy clouds youd change ur mind...(i think)...dont give up becuz of one bad remix... tom w np: muslimgauze - abu nidal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4252 Re: Tangents and Orb Remix Grant Middleton Tue 5/27/1997 3 KB 4271 Re: Tangents and Orb Remix Plumer, Scott Tue 5/27/1997 2 KB 4273 Re: Tangents and Orb Remix Sean Montgomery Tue 5/27/1997 2 KB 4300 Re: Tangents and Orb Remix TWeibre361@a... Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB 4316 Re: Tangents and Orb Remix Matt Williams Wed 5/28/1997 3 KB 4319 Re: Tangents and Orb Remix Sean Montgomery Wed 5/28/1997 3 KB 4323 Re: Tangents and Orb Remix TWeibre361@a... Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB 4324 Re: Tangents and Orb Remix Mark Filipak Wed 5/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: J-M Jarre Lame-ness; Mooing Sounds on Nightcrawlers' Album Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Oh No! Not Spice AGAIN!! >Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 10:44:44 +0100 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: ashok prema > > >NO! NO! I won't mention S**** G**** again - but the recent comments >re: Jon Michel Jarre made me think of the same thing - [...] Right! I heard OXYGENE 7-8 on a New Age show (where it belongs) two weeks ago and found it exciting (well, better than most of what Jarre puts out) and so bought a promo of it at a used record shop the other day. I think most of the album is really a bunch of nothing. The opening two tracks are moderately entertaining, but they sound more trite with each listen. I'd have to say that I like CHRONOLOGY more than OXYGENE 7-10. At least it has two tracks that cook! Hey, and re commercial, shallow e-music, there's stuff on Kitaro's recent (two years ago?) live album that's better than anything Jarre's done since WAITING FOR COUSTEAU. I treat Jean-Michel Jarre like I do Klaus Schulze. I tend to buy his stuff since as a fan of 1970's e-music I'm *supposed* to like him. For the most part, though, I *don't* like his/their stuff. >Again The long track on 'Hyperborea' is great because it is so subtle! >and the journey from start to finish evokes a lot of images - [...] Very true. The title track to PINNACLES does much the same as 'Sphinx Lightning' for me, although in different ways. >[...] I do like the 'cows mooing' sound - know the one I mean?. Not offhand, but if you like such sounds, you *must* obtain a copy of the Nightcrawlers' SHADOWS OF LIGHT. The second the two 25- minute tracks has really intense, drawn-out synthesized moos and very evocative synthesized lightning sounds that sound like a cross between electrical sparking and ocean surf. For those who like Baumann and/or Schmoelling TD the most, get this album. It'll be on the 2-CD Nightcrawlers set on Mannikin and Cue Records. -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 1:54 pm Subject: Re: Tangents and Orb Remix Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > > << I was tempted to buy an Orb album a little while ago but after hearing > this I > have definitly changed my mind...all I can say is the only orb I will be > listening to is the one with ital at the end of it!!. > >> > > this is a bit harsh...granted, this was not the orbs best effort, but i think > if u were to listen to fluffy clouds youd change ur mind...(i think)...dont > give up becuz of one bad remix... I don't think you'll change your mind, Matt. 'Little Fluffy Clouds' and all the Orb's work is blighted by an inability to exercise restraint; Inappropriate samples and clunky changes do not space music make. Orbital certainly have more to offer and I think you'd be better spending your money on them. -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 1:48 pm Subject: Voltaire Really-From: Michael A Jean I was in a club on Friday night and one of those specialities of the night was a beverage called a TANGERINE DREAM...Just thought you would like to know...When I inquired about the name with the waiter, he said he hadn't heard of the band, but would be happy to play one of there CDs if I had one...(unfortunately I didn't).... MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4304 Re: Voltaire PNaunton@a... Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB 4308 Re: Voltaire Plumer, Scott Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB 4386 Re: Voltaire PNaunton@a... Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 2:06 pm Subject: Re: Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > > > They still kick butt and no mistake. The crowd were in love with > > them ! It's interesting to note that pieces they composed in > > the mid '70s (twenty years ago, for those not so gifted at mental > > arithmetic) are still relevant enough to get a few thousand ravers, > > many of whom weren't born when 'Autobahn' came out, going wild. > > Yeah, but were they playing the originals, or 'The Mix' > versions? I assume the latter, given that the whole > 'gathering' is about up-tempo thumpy music. If this is the > case then even TD have shown that they can achieve the sam > effect (Dream Mixes). Yeah, it was 'The Mix' versions. > And with the klunk-klink-ping-gap of the original KW work, > it's not too difficult to augment a whacking great THUMP on > top without altering the underlying music much. Couldn't > really do the same with the type of music TD was producing > at the same time, eh? That's my point. The KW stuff didn't require much of a rework _because_ they were so far ahead of their time. TD's stuff (I would assume, as I've not heard DM) would require far more 'knocking into shape'. And then you have 'Rubycon Revisited'.....I rest my case. > Remember, Grant, you have to be nice to me for at least > another 8 days! 8-)) Then we'll see who's the undisputed leader of the e-music world ! (Jean Michel Jarre plays Glasgow, for the uninformed or just plain bewildered. Craig and I will post our thoughts afterwards, I'm sure.) -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 2:11 pm Subject: Re: J-M Jarre Lame-ness Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > I treat Jean-Michel Jarre like I do Klaus Schulze. I tend to buy > his stuff since as a fan of 1970's e-music I'm *supposed* to like him. > For the most part, though, I *don't* like his/their stuff. What a stupid reason for buying discs. If you don't like it, vote with your wallet and don't buy it. That's what I do when confronted with a new TD album. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 2:23 pm Subject: OFF: The Neverending Story by Klaus Doldinger Really-From: Craig Shipley I noticed that there were a few postings about the music to this film and wanted to throw in my two cents. Klaus Doldinger (the prime mover behind the fusion band Passport, which has, alas, forgotten the progressive roots from which it sprang and is now a 'contemporary instrumental' sax-led, forgettable, fuzak band. The early stuff, up until about the early '80's was great, especially the 'green-cover' stuff like HAND MADE, LOOKING THRU and SECOND PASSPORT.) recorded the soundtrack for the first movie and I believe that there were at least two versions available. One had the title track that was sung by that Limahl guy (and I think Moroder did the music for that track) and then there is the German release, which is strictly Doldinger ('Die Unendliche Geschichte'). Have only seen one copy of this CD ever and it is in my collection :-). I think the Limahl/Moroder song was for the English release of the movie only, since my CD has no indication that the song was performed for the German release (the CD has a copy of the footer that you see with most movie ads and only Doldinger is credited). That's all, folks... Craig Shipley craigs@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4270 Re: OFF: The Neverending Story by Klaus Doldinge Plumer, Scott Tue 5/27/1997 2 KB 4289 Re: OFF: The Neverending Story by Klaus Doldinge Grant Middleton Wed 5/28/1997 3 KB 4321 Re: OFF: The Neverending Story by Klaus Doldinge Rakinik Intertype (DJS) Wed 5/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 10:27 pm Subject: Re: Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > Yeah, it was 'The Mix' versions. > > That's my point. The KW stuff didn't require much of a rework > _because_ they were so far ahead of their time. TD's stuff (I > would assume, as I've not heard DM) would require far more > 'knocking into shape'. Dream Mixes presents remixes of some of their early- to mid-90s tracks, which already had thumpy bits. But returning to the original music, I think TD and KW were producing completely different types of music : TD's is warm, layered, textured, engulfing and excellent; KW's is mechanical, stand-offish and okay. (Okay, I suppose part of the above deserves a 'IMHO', but some of it is fact!) As to who was more ahead of their time, we'd probably be here for weeks arguing that one. > And then you have 'Rubycon Revisited'.....I rest my case. Yeah, but that wasn't a TD production. Any idiot can ruin a piece of music - its creating great music where the skill lies. > Then we'll see who's the undisputed leader of the e-music world ! > > (Jean Michel Jarre plays Glasgow, for the uninformed or just plain > bewildered. Craig and I will post our thoughts afterwards, I'm sure.) Amazing. All this time I thought Grant was playing devil's advocate with TD's music. Now it seems he really does hate them and prefers Kraftwerk and Jean-Michel Jarre!!??????! Dave, have this man removed immediately! 8-) --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 3:58 pm Subject: Re: Hey folks, I'm back! Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 27 May 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Were you around at the announcement of the new tour CD > 'Tournado' (no, this isn't a wind up)? A supposedly > virginal CD of the second set of the current European tour? No, I wasn't. But why only set 2? Did they bungle something horribly in set 1? I, for one, would like to hear set 1. > And, of course, the most important news is the european > Tour part 3 - otherwise known as UK '97. Glosgow, here I > come! %$%!@@)#(^@%!$!_))*%#! > Of course, that doesn't help you much, but thought you'd > like to know!! 8-) Why you.... > mailto : cordrey@m... Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4260 Re: Hey folks, I'm back! Sean Montgomery Tue 5/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 4:09 pm Subject: Re: Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > As to who was more ahead of their time, we'd probably be > here for weeks arguing that one. No, no, no, no, no ! I didn't mean that KW were MORE ahead of their time, just that the music they made in 1974 is still sounding fresh in 1997. This, to me, puts to rest the whole question of whether or not KW were 'seminal'. > Amazing. All this time I thought Grant was playing devil's > advocate with TD's music. Now it seems he really does hate > them and prefers Kraftwerk and Jean-Michel Jarre!!??????! KW and JMJ are better than TD in 1997. This is not an opinion. This is not a question of taste. I can prove this on an 'Etch- a-Sketch'. (C) Bill Hicks What is your honest opinion of 'Oxygene 7-13' vs 'Oasis' ? > Dave, have this man removed immediately! > > 8-) Ya big bully ! :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 4:24 pm Subject: Re: Hey folks, I'm back! Really-From: Sean Montgomery > But why only set 2? Did they bungle something horribly in set 1? I, for > one, would like to hear set 1. Too many copyright problems, too many different record labels. The same reason we'll never see a 'Tangerine Dream 1980 - 1990' box set. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: No More Chris Franke & Paul Haslinger For *Me*! Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: J-M Jarre Lame-ness >Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 15:11:58 +0100 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > >> Really-From: Steven Feldman >> >> I treat Jean-Michel Jarre like I do Klaus Schulze. I tend to buy >> his stuff since as a fan of 1970's e-music I'm *supposed* to like him. >> For the most part, though, I *don't* like his/their stuff. > >What a stupid reason for buying discs. If you don't like it, vote with >your wallet and don't buy it. That's what I do when confronted with a >new TD album. Sigh, if that's the case, I won't be buying any more Haslinger or Chris Franke albums. Recent stinkers I've had the misfortune to have bought and listened to: o UNIVERSAL SOLDIER soundtrack -- Franke o BABYLON 5, Vol. 2: MESSAGES ROM EARTH -- Franke o MUNDUS SUBTERRANEUS -- Lightwave (with Haslinger) o WORLD WITHOUT RULES -- Haslinger Chris Franke stuff I've gotten fairly recently that I at least find *some* redeeming value in is: o NEW MUSIC FOR FILMS, VOL. 1 o ENCHANTING NATURE (the three new tracks) o THE CELESTINE PROPHECY (*one* good track) o DREAM ROOTS, 5th CD (I blame much of the lameness on Chris) Thanks for deciding for me, Grant. No more Franke and/or Haslinger for me! :( Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4277 Re: No More Chris Franke & Paul Haslinger For *Me gerryfox Tue 5/27/1997 2 KB 4279 Re: No More Chris Franke & Paul Haslinger For *Me Ken Alexander Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB 4284 Re: No More Chris Franke & Paul Haslinger For *Me Rich Maggio Wed 5/28/1997 4 KB 4287 Re: No More Chris Franke & Paul Haslinger For *Me Craig R. J. Cordrey Wed 5/28/1997 3 KB 4291 Re: No More Chris Franke & Paul Haslinger For *Me Grant Middleton Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB 4306 Re: No More Chris Franke & Paul Haslinger For *Me Mark Filipak Wed 5/28/1997 3 KB 4330 Re: No More Chris Franke & Paul Haslinger For *Me PNaunton@a... Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 5:14 pm Subject: Re: For the Record... Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > I happen to like 'Optical Race' and most of _Rockoon_. > > Nothing beats driving into the city on a bright summer > > morning like those albums... (I will admit that I have > > 'Spanish Love' programmed out...) > > Okay! Shoot me everyone! I happen to like track 7--'Lifted Veil' > this is wonderful music to listen to in the dark.. with just a candle lit.. > Very emotional! Although I just can't understand WHY they had to > put in a sax! The song in it's simple nature is fine without the addition > of the dreaded sax :) MHO. (snip) You mean I'm not the only one who likes 'Lifted Veil'? 8-) Sure, it's a bit fomulaic, almost trite, but it's still one of the better tracks from Rockoon, IMHO. Heck, I even like the sax on this track! If you *don't* like the sax at least you can be happy that it isn't being played by Kenny G. ;^) -Erik From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 5:50 pm Subject: AUCTION !! Really-From: Klaus Beschorner AUCTION TIME ! I need some space (and always some money), so you all get a go at a few items from my swap bin. All bids must be in DM , payment by eurocheque or US$ cash at 1$=DM 1.50. Postage is expensive, about DM 8.- per item in Europe, DM 12.- overseas, keep that in mind. But you US guys have a chance : I'm in the US June 5-20 and can haul all your stuff over there and mail it much cheaper. Bids only to my email address, not to this poor list. Auction closes Sunday, June 1, 22 h GMT+2. Grades are mint, very good, good, fair and always given record/cover. Bidders winning for a total of over DM 200.- get free postage ! VINYL SINGLES (7') ------------------ Alexander Square(3:44)/Berlin Summer Nights,D, Hansa 112892, m/m C.COLTRANE I just want to rule../One Night in Medina,D,Polydor879880-7,m/m REFLEX-Magazine #9, inc. Flexi-Disk 'House of the Rising Sun', m/m VINYL MAXIS (12') ----------------- Das M„dchen auf der Treppe/Katja/Flock/Speed, D, Virgin 600651 m-/vg Warsaw in the sun/Polish Dance/Rare Bird,(red vinyl) D, Jive 6.20382, m/vg CDs --- CHRIS FRANKE Klemania, USA, SICD 8110, m/m KLEM-CD 2 (unrel. Franke-Schmoelling-Schulze-Mergener-Roach-etc.), m/m Korg-The Best of the 01/W,promo CD+MAGAZINE,inc.FROESE 'Michiko',USA,m/m KLAUS SCHULZE Silver Edition 10CD-set,signed,#748,Musique Intemporelle,m/m CD-SINGLES ---------- 3-track-CD Alex.Square/Berlin Summer Nights/A.Square(LP),D,Hansa 662892,m/m Rockoon Special Edition/ Oriental Haze/ Interview, USA,Miramar MPCD2803,m/m TD+CHI COLTRANE I just want to rule my own life... +2D,Polydor 879880-7,m/m CD-Single Dreamtime (vocal) +4, US, Miramar 2805, m/m BOOTLEGS (on vinyl) -------- 7' Live in the USA 1988, m/m 7' Seekers of Dreams, Orange 1975, inlay cover, m/m LP + 7' Seekers of Dreams, Orange 1975, Green Warrior cover, m/m LP + 7' Seekers of Dreams, Orange 1975, Golden Robot cover, m/m LP + 7' Seekers of Dreams, Orange 1975, Space Warriors cover, m/m LP Babylon's Strange, multicoled vinyl, m-/m LP Undulation, Preston 1980, LE 300, m/m- 10'-LP Fassbinder Memorial Concert, Frankfurt 1983, clear vinyl, m/vg 2-LP Undercover Dreams, Toronto 1986, LE 96, m/m LP The Canyon Dreams, clear yellow multicol. vinyl, m/m LP The Canyon Dreams, solid blue vinyl, m/m LP The Canyon Dreams, clear blue marbled vinyl, m/m LP Bicycle Race, Bristol 1990, red sparkled vinyl, m/m LP Bicycle Race, Bristol 1990, yellow sparkled vinyl, m/m LP Singet, denn der Gesang..., Bristol 1990, PICTURE DISK, m/- CD - BOOTLEGS ------------- CD Soundtrack for Fantasy (=UNDULATION,Preston 1980),m/m(blue),LE500 CD Soundtrack for Fantasy (brown cover, Preston 1980), m/m, LE500 CD Acoustic LSD (= THE EMERALD BEYOND, Detroit 1977), m/m, LE500 CD Danger Live (from two concerts in Brussels,1976), m/m, LE500 CD In den G„rten Pharaos/Bicycle race(Bristol 1990),red label, m/m CD In den G„rten Pharaos/Bicycle race(Bristol 1990),blue label, m/m CD In den G„rten Pharaos/Bicycle race(Bristol 1990),yellow label, m/m 2CD Live! 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(Reims 1974), m/m CD Me-Rad (Nottingham 1976), m/m CD Ardem 'O' (USA 1988), m/m CD Collected Endings (Nottingham 1976 + USA 1988), m/m CD R„tikon (Melbourne 1982)+POPOL VUH/MAN/ENO-tracks,silver label,m/m CD Antarktis (Berlin 1987 Part I + Bristol 1990),blue label, m/m CD 20th Century Serenades (Berlin 1987 Part II), gold label, m/m CD Dreamin on Danforth Avenue (Toronto 1992), m/m CD Prayer of Quiet Dreams (Soundtracks + Live 1971-1992), m/m CD Mystery Tracks (Flashpoint,Quinoa,Chi Coltrane),orange label, m/m CD Mystery Tracks (Flashpoint,Quinoa,Chi Coltrane),purple label, m/m CD Sol et Luna-Mystery Tracks 2(Heartbreakers etc),pink/blu label,m/m 2CD Sonambulistic Imagery (Laguna Hills 1986), m/m 3CD 3 Tier Dreams (live 1976, 1981, 1986), LE 300, m/m CD The Keep (Blue Moon Records), m/m CD KLAUS SCHULZE Floating (Nijmegen 1981), picture label, m/m CD-R Rare Trax 2 (rare tracks 1983-1994), m/m BOOK ---- Voices in the Dunes, paperback edition, mint FILM SCRIPTS ------------ ENEMY MINE, Revision #1, July 10, 1984 TERMINATOR, Fifth Draft, March 11, 1984 OUTLAND, Jan 15, 1980 TOTAL RECALL, March 14, 1989 CHARIOTS OF FIRE, Second Draft, Feb 13, 1980 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4278 Re: AUCTION !! stephan bischoff Tue 5/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 6:31 pm Subject: JmJ Really-From: Ricky Last month Tangerine dream in Brussel next saturday Jean Michel Jarre. Nice year. Ricky From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 6:37 pm Subject: Oasis & Zoning Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Over the weekend I found the Oasis ST and Zoning at a local shop (My Generation in Westlake, OH) for $22.95 and $18.95, respectively. Is that price worth it? Can they be had on the Web cheaper? Should I pay anything for Zoning? Is it _right_ to buy a Chrysler? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 6:55 pm Subject: Re: Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering Really-From: 'gerryfox' > Subject: Re: Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering > Date: 27 May 1997 15:06 > > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > > > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > I taped this live from the BBC and IMO they just blew away all the House, Dance and what have you music that had been on before. Although KW was the inspiration for many of the _bands_ during Tribal Gathering they just didn't have the spark that makes KW what they are. Same with TD - they do manage to put the bits together. BTW did you notice that although the KW content was the Mix, it was _tangetised_ , updated just a little to make it sound right up to date. Or maybe it was that they were actually playing live - it sounded like it. Gerry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 7:21 pm Subject: silva screen Really-From: Ken Alexander For those who were saying they couldn't find the Silva Screen releases, I have two of them (_The Park is Mine_, _Dream Music_) in my sale list. http://polyphemus.engin.umich.edu/kalex/forsale.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 8:08 pm Subject: RE: TD in restaurants Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >But last week I've been in Palermo in Sicily. I had a wonderful 4 course >dinner at the 'Il Mirto e la Rosa' in Palermo, adress Via Principe >Granatelli, 30, for those who happen to be there and want to try. >During my primo piatto, I almost dropped my cuttery in surprise! >They played 'Catwalk'! I was at a restaurant outside Cleveland in about 1984 or 5, and they played New Age music as their background music. During the course of a 2-hrs. meal, I heard 'Hyperborea' and 'Exit.' (The tracks, not the albums.) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 8:17 pm Subject: Re: Royal Albert Hall '75 Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> While listening to my tape of the Royal Albert Hall show from '75, I >> noticed the introducer sounds remarkably like Eric Idle, from Monty >> Python's Flying Circus. Is it really him? >It depends which copy you have. If it's the radio broadcast, then >you're talking about Mr Tommy Vance, and it was taped from the UK >Radio 1 show, The Friday Rock Show. >If it's the Coefficients of Aural Expansion, then it's John Peel, >the Radio 1 DJ who did a lot to popularise TD in the early years. It's a tape, so I don't know which. Which one sounds like Eric Idle? He says 'Would you welcome, please, Tangerine Dream,' sort of matter-of-factly, sort of like the announcer on Encore, not grandly like the announcer on Logos. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 8:19 pm Subject: RE: OFF: The Neverending Story by Klaus Doldinger Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I noticed that there were a few postings about the music to this film and >wanted to throw in my two cents. Klaus Doldinger (the prime mover behind >the fusion band Passport, which has, alas, forgotten the progressive roots Doldinger also did the ST to Das Boot, which is really good. Sort of a blend of orchestral and electronic. I bought the import LP of the ST right after the film came out and never regretted it. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 8:21 pm Subject: Re: Tangents and Orb Remix Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I don't think you'll change your mind, Matt. 'Little Fluffy Clouds' >and all the Orb's work is blighted by an inability to exercise >restraint; Inappropriate samples and clunky changes do not >space music make. Orbital certainly have more to offer and I think >you'd be better spending your money on them. Are the Orb and Orbital related? Former members, perhaps? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4273 Re: Tangents and Orb Remix Sean Montgomery Tue 5/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 26, 1997 6:24 pm Subject: Re: Neverending Story Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Kenneth W. Beal' > > At 3:36 AM -0400 5/26/97, tadream mailing list wrote: > > >It's funny you should mention 'Neverending Story. I always thought it sounded > >very TD-ish > >to me. although it did'nt remind me of Cyclone. It always reminded me of the > >Froese,Schmoelling, Franke era of TD. > > Who did the soundtrack for this movie, and is it worth obtaining? > > Ken NES is by Giorgio Moroder and Klaus Doldinger. The score is electronic and is actually a pretty good score, if you can overlook the vocal track by Limahl...woo hoo! If it's good electronic music you want in a soundtrack though I suggest Moroder's Cat People over NES. There's some amazing analog & drum sequences on CP and Limahl is replaced by a more competant vocalist: David Bowie. Believe it or not..I think most people are so into TD that they don't realize how much non-TD music is out there that is so much better. Of course, the whole bias thing comes into play. I think too many TD fans have that 'Oh, nothing is as good as Tangerine Dream so why bother' attitude. That's too bad because they are snubbing some hair raisingly good electronic music. regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 8:50 pm Subject: Re: Tangents and Orb Remix Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Are the Orb and Orbital related? Former members, perhaps? No relation at all, apart from the genre they've been slotted into. No relation to William Orbit, either. Speaking of which, I recommend William Orbit's 'Strange Cargo 3' and 'Hinterland' to anyone who enjoyed the Dream Mixes. He works in a contemporary dance oriented style, but not at 150 bpm. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 9:11 pm Subject: Oh not again, for Gawds sake... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all, >ut the recent comments re: >Jon Michel Jarre made me think of the same thing - that JMJ is so popular >because he is a master of producing great melodies (amongst other things >like marketing, being married to an actress, looking good, presenting a >great image, doing blockbuster concert events etc), his first ever big hit, >'Oxygene' which got into no 1 in the Top of The Pops chart was because of >a simple but effective melody line - wrapped up with wonderful spacey >effects - TD were into producing long tracks like on 'Rubycon' and >'Phaedra'. Ash...for Gawd's sake...change the bloody record will you... If people don't stopping bollocking on about how TD were better in the old days, I'm off! Stop living in a bloody time capsule, will you! Chris has left TD and he won't ever come back... Jarre isn't famous 'cos he's married to Harlot Dumpling and she's famous cos she gets her kit off in nearly all of her films. Jarre is famous 'cos he writes good tunes and makes consistently good albums. Edgar is on a tiny label compared to Sony and they don't have the cash to push TD into every damned record shop in the country? Why do we keep coming back to this same tired old theme? Regards Exasperated of Newcastle P.S. Oxygene 7-13 is a superb album, one which we keep coming back to again and again. BTW, anyone else tried Enigma's latest? Another superb album, best with the lights off and a couple candles on the floor for improved ambience. T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4290 Re: Oh not again, for Gawds sake... Grant Middleton Wed 5/28/1997 3 KB 4299 Re: Oh not again, for Gawds sake... David Datta Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 9:36 pm Subject: Re: Neverending Story Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-27 16:45:31 EDT, you write: >Believe it or not..I think most people >are so into TD that they don't realize how much non-TD music is out there >that is so much better. I think too many TD fans have that 'Oh, nothing is as good as >Tangerine Dream so why bother' attitude. That's too bad because they are snubbing >some hair raisingly good electronic music. > Yeah!!! Screw TD. Let's all unsubscribe to this list right now. And if you're thinking how you can get rid of all your TD collectables, you can send them all to me and i'll see to it that the're all properly discarded of. Uh.... Just kidding. No really, it's only a joke. Dont hurt me, i'm a bleeder. :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 9:44 pm Subject: OFF: Elemental's Lux Aeternae Really-From: Brian Frick Hey, all!! I have two copies of Elemental's 'Lux Aeternae' CD for sale ($12 each including shipping). It's 76 minutes of pure analogue heaven in the style of early TD -- gurgling synthesizers, no MIDI, all analogue -- done on ARPs and the like. This CD is SO good, that it got a review in the upcoming German KEYBOARD magazine! I LOVE it. I have two copies myself, in fact :) If anyone is interested, please let me know PRIVATELY. -- Later! -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 7:07 pm Subject: Re: No More Chris Franke & Paul Haslinger For *Me*! Really-From: 'gerryfox' > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > Sigh, if that's the case, I won't be buying any more Haslinger or > Chris Franke albums. Recent stinkers I've had the misfortune to have > bought and listened to: > > > o BABYLON 5, Vol. 2: MESSAGES ROM EARTH -- Franke > What was wrong with this cd ? I have vol 1 and like that. Is it different and how ? Gerry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 10:01 pm Subject: Re: AUCTION !! Really-From: stephan bischoff Hallo Klaus! Hier also einer von ca. 400 Replies... CD Danger Live 40,- 2CD Live Improvised 65,- 3CD 3 Tier Dream 100,- (Wie Du siehst, bin auch ich knapp bei Kasse) Ausserdem gibt's mit dem Scheck natürlich die ZIP Disk mit den restlichen Covern... ;-) Stephan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 10:57 pm Subject: Re: No More Chris Franke & Paul Haslinger For *Me*! Really-From: Ken Alexander > Really-From: 'gerryfox' > > > Really-From: Steven 'confused' Feldman > > Recent stinkers I've had the misfortune to have bought and listened to: > > o BABYLON 5, Vol. 2: MESSAGES ROM EARTH -- Franke > > What was wrong with this cd ? I have vol 1 and like that. Is it different > and how ? B5 v2 is a great CD. If you liked the first, you should like this one also. v2 has the same sort of flowing orchestral/synth soundtrack passages that the first one has, but this time they are interspersed with the opening themes from each of the four seasons. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 12:12 am Subject: Re: Kassel concert Really-From: Strzempko@a... please take us off your mailing list! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 12:16 am Subject: Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or Like PINNACLES? Really-From: Strzempko@a... please take us off your mailing list Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4293 Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or L Janne Salmijärvi Wed 5/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 1:18 am Subject: Re: Alpha Centauri Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-05-25 15:00:23 EDT, you write: << Really-From: TangerineC@a... I have the old Relativity release of Alpha on cd. In the opening minutes of the first track you here what sounds like dropouts in the tape. Then in the begining of track 2, if you listen very closely, you can hear crackling, as if they used a Lp to record this cd. Does the new Castle release have this also? Or is it just part of the music or what? >> No, the new release thankfully has this awful glitch cleaned up! It sounds very good, considering the original recording quality. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 3:56 am Subject: Re: No More Chris Franke... Really-From: 'Stephen D. Bowline' > o THE CELESTINE PROPHECY (*one* good track) You're smokin' crack. The Celestine Prophecy is divine inspiration - a crowning achievement. It just doesn't get any better. -- /`_ ___---, 'Time Wheelies On...' /###`--___-`/ /##--, /`##/ /###__---,####/ Stephen D. Bowline / `--__##`/####/ `##/ sbowline@D... /`_ /###/ __####, / http://www.hughes.net/users/sbowline /###`###._-`/ /##--/ `##/ /###__---,####/ `--__##` `##/ O_ O/ (o) (o) / O_ \ (o) \ / < (o) > > WSMC #314 / (o) > (o) (o) O>-< (o) ___________________/==================================================== Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4285 Re: No More Chris Franke... Rakinik Intertype (DJS) Wed 5/28/1997 3 KB 4296 Re: No More Chris Franke... gary.cresswell1@v... Wed 5/28/1997 3 KB 4305 Re: No More Chris Franke... Vic Rek Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 27, 1997 11:55 pm Subject: Re: No More Chris Franke & Paul Haslinger For *Me*! Really-From: Rich Maggio Steven, Don't give up so quickly on Franke. I don't have any of the CDs of his that you mention below, but I do have The London Concert Pacific Coast Highway Klemania Personally, I think all of these CDs are great. The London Concert features a lot of tracks from Pacific Coast Highway, so if you decide to try again, get one or the other for starters. Klemania has long tracks that develop over time - in the spirit of the old TD that many of us seem to long for (I happen to like the new stuff as well as the old stuff - though my preference is the old stuff, admittedly :-). These CDs don't sound like new TD at all. I can't really pinpoint a TD era that they sound like, just like it is hard to do with Edgar's solo stuff. As you would expect, the music is more sequenced than Edgar's stuff, not as melodic. This does not mean 'bad' though, IMHO. The point is that you may have beaten the odds (in the wrong direction) by picking out all of his 'stinkers' by chance. You may want to give it just one more try. Unfortunately, I haven't heard any of the 'stinkers' to make a direct comparison. Maybe you will listen to these and think they are garbage as well. I don't want to see you cheat yourself out of some good Emusic - it seems to be harder to come by nowadays. Further comment much welcomed. Anyone else agree with me? Rich Maggio > > Sigh, if that's the case, I won't be buying any more Haslinger or > Chris Franke albums. Recent stinkers I've had the misfortune to have > bought and listened to: > > o UNIVERSAL SOLDIER soundtrack -- Franke > o BABYLON 5, Vol. 2: MESSAGES ROM EARTH -- Franke > o MUNDUS SUBTERRANEUS -- Lightwave (with Haslinger) > o WORLD WITHOUT RULES -- Haslinger > > Chris Franke stuff I've gotten fairly recently that I at least > find *some* redeeming value in is: > > o NEW MUSIC FOR FILMS, VOL. 1 > o ENCHANTING NATURE (the three new tracks) > o THE CELESTINE PROPHECY (*one* good track) > o DREAM ROOTS, 5th CD (I blame much of the lameness on Chris) > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 4:29 am Subject: Re: No More Chris Franke... Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Stephen D. Bowline' > > > o THE CELESTINE PROPHECY (*one* good track) > > You're smokin' crack. The Celestine Prophecy is divine inspiration - a > crowning achievement. It just doesn't get any better. > > Er.....it doesn't??? Who's smokin what??? -- > /`_ ___---, 'Time Wheelies On...' > /###`--___-`/ /##--, > /`##/ /###__---,####/ Stephen D. Bowline > / `--__##`/####/ `##/ sbowline@D... > /`_ /###/ __####, / http://www.hughes.net/users/sbowline > /###`###._-`/ /##--/ > `##/ /###__---,####/ > `--__##` `##/ O_ O/ (o) (o) > / O_ \ (o) \ > / < (o) > > > WSMC #314 / (o) > (o) (o) O>-< (o) > ___________________/==================================================== From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 5:01 am Subject: Re: Cyclone Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-26 03:39:28 EDT, you write: << > that for some strange reason always reminds me of some scenes >from >>>'Neverending Story'. I really don't know why. It's funny you should mention 'Neverending Story. I always thought it sounded very TD-ish to me. although it did'nt remind me of Cyclone. It always reminded me of the Froese,Schmoelling, Franke era of TD. >> Then The Empress of Fantasia must me Linda!! And Edgar just fired her? Great!!! Here comes The Nothing! Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4312 Brick Matt Williams Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 3:51 pm Subject: Re: No More Chris Franke & Paul Haslinger For *Me*! Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: Rich Maggio > > Don't give up so quickly on Franke. I don't have any of the CDs > of his that you mention below, but I do have > > The London Concert > Pacific Coast Highway > Klemania > Coincidentally, these are also the only three Franke CDs that I own. However, these have also persuaded _me_ to stop buying Franke, so read into that what you like! > These CDs don't sound like new TD at all. I can't really pinpoint > a TD era that they sound like, just like it is hard to do > with Edgar's solo stuff. As you would expect, the music > is more sequenced than Edgar's stuff, not as melodic. This > does not mean 'bad' though, IMHO. I agree these don't sound like new TD (though I don't why they would), but I wouldn't say that it's ot as melodic as TD or Edgar's stuff. PCH is full of sickeningly twee melodies and tunes which, as you correctly state, often appear on TLC too. Klemania just has a few tunes stuck together in long tracks, IMO. Hmmmm. Why do I still own these ? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 8:14 am Subject: Re: Royal Albert Hall '75 Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >> While listening to my tape of the Royal Albert Hall show from '75, I > >> noticed the introducer sounds remarkably like Eric Idle, from Monty > >> Python's Flying Circus. Is it really him? > > It's a tape, so I don't know which. Which one sounds like Eric Idle? He > says 'Would you welcome, please, Tangerine Dream,' sort of > matter-of-factly, sort of like the announcer on Encore, not grandly like > the announcer on Logos. In that case, it's definitely Mr John Peel. Now there's a thought.... -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 8:21 am Subject: Re: OFF: The Neverending Story by Klaus Doldinger Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Doldinger also did the ST to Das Boot, which is really good. Sort of a > blend of orchestral and electronic. I bought the import LP of the ST > right after the film came out and never regretted it. Aaaahhhhhh. I _knew_ I'd heard the name somewhere before. Das Boot was indeed an extraordinary ST. -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 8:28 am Subject: Re: Oh not again, for Gawds sake... Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > Ash...for Gawd's sake...change the bloody record will you... If people > don't stopping bollocking on about how TD were better in the old days, I'm > off! Stop living in a bloody time capsule, will you! Chris has left TD and > he won't ever come back... That's why I've subbed to Elana's GoldTri (no offence, Mr Datta). Anyone else coming over ? NP - T-Bass 'The Infection of Time' (killer synth rock) Now I come to think of it, wouldn't T-Bass be suitable discussion material for this new Mailing List ? -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 8:32 am Subject: Re: No More Chris Franke & Paul Haslinger For *Me*! Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > o MUNDUS SUBTERRANEUS -- Lightwave (with Haslinger) Does anyone know how this compares to 'Tycho Brahe' ? I think TB is right up there with the best in ambient space music. -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Re: Cyclone Really-From: jhsa@c... (Janne Salmijärvi) In Email quoth tadream (tadream@c...): > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > It is probably underrated because it is so different from everything > else TD have done, especially at that point in time when it was > actually released. Hmm, I don't feel Cyclone to be any more different than, say, Stratosfear, Force Majeure, Tangram, Hyperborea, ... During that period (mid-70's - early 80's) almost each album was quite different from the others. In that respect I don't believe Cyclone's bad reputation to be from being different. Perhaps it is the vocals, perhaps not. It is often hard to pinpoint exactly what it is that causes the dislike. Well at least for me, YMMV of course. > Personally, I like Cyclone, especially 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'. I like all the tracks. The lyrics are obscure enough (at least for me). What surprises me when people are saying they don't like Cyclone, is that almost no-one ever mentions Madrigal Meridian. IMHO that track alone should prove that Cyclone is not the bad apple it's supposed to be. It's wonderfully 'dark' and 'sinister' track, with lots of emotion woven into it. -jhsa From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Re: How Many People Who Have HYPERBOREA Have or Like PINNACLES? Really-From: jhsa@c... (Janne Salmijärvi) In Email quoth tadream (tadream@c...): > Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) > I like all here mentioned that they didn't like Cinnamon Road > for the same reason they didn't like Dominion from Logos. I > think I understand why but let me confuse things further by > saying that I like Cinnamon Road but don't care for Dominion. *Dip a spoon in the soup of confusion and stir* Dominion happens to be one of my favourite short TD tunes, along with White Eagle those two form a magnificent couple. Whereas Cinnamon Road is among the least favourite short tunes. Go figure. > Seems like we have no shortage of different opinions here. :-) Indeed. And that's what makes things so great and interesting. I hadn't listened to Hyperborea for ages until this discussion prompted me to put that particular disc in the CD player. -jhsa From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 5:22 pm Subject: Re: Cyclone Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: jhsa@c... (Janne Salmijaervi) > > Hmm, I don't feel Cyclone to be any more different than, say, Stratosfear, > Force Majeure, Tangram, Hyperborea, ... During that period (mid-70's - > early 80's) almost each album was quite different from the others. In that > respect I don't believe Cyclone's bad reputation to be from being > different. Perhaps it is the vocals, perhaps not. It is often hard > to pinpoint exactly what it is that causes the dislike. Well at least > for me, YMMV of course. Yup, I'd agree with that. I've mentioned before on this list about how hard-core 'Pink Years' fans must have reacted to (what I see as) the sudden change in direction Phaedra represented. As you point out, Stratosfear is also (IMO) a radical change, as is Cyclone, FM, and then Tangram. During the Schmoelling and then Haslinger years, there seemed to be more 'direction' or consistentcy (or repetition?) in the albums. Now, if we look back over the last three official TD releases, we perhaps see signs that TD's new direction is to not have one!! Dream Mixes, Goblin's Club and Oasis are all different from each other in quite significant ways. And whilst we can explain these away by saying that DM is a 'remix novelty' album, GC is the standard studio album and Oasis is a soundtrack, maybe that's being unfair to the boys. Maybe we're heading back to the days where picking up a new TD album fills us with anticipation for whch new direction will have been taken now, rather than the (IMO) formulaic attitude of most of the Haslinger and early-Froese/Froese years. BTW, what does YMMV mean? NP : Wuivend Riet --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4317 Re: Cyclone Marcel Engels Wed 5/28/1997 3 KB 4351 Re: Cyclone GrafZeigen@a... Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 4366 Re: Cyclone feldon@n... Thu 5/29/1997 3 KB 4369 Desert Island Disks Sean Montgomery Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 4374 Re: Desert Island Disks stephan bischoff Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 4416 Re: Desert Island Disks Steve McCready Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB 4373 Re: Cyclone TangerineC@a... Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 8522 Cyclone Brian M. Frick Sat 11/8/1997 3 KB 8533 Re: Cyclone Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 11/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 9:44 am Subject: Really-From: ashok prema From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 08:48:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Voltaire ''''Really-From: Michael A Jean I was in a club on Friday night and one of those specialities of the night was a beverage called a TANGERINE DREAM...Just thought you would like to know...When I inquired about the name with the waiter, he said he hadn't heard of the band, but would be happy to play one of there CDs if I had one...(unfortunately I didn't)....'''' The band always used to stay at the Kensington Hilton prior to 1990, and coincidentally, the bar their came up with a drink called Tangerine Dream. When one of the staff mentioned that the band were regular stayers at the hotel, they rang up the band to mention their new creation ( - I don't know if they were offered one on the house one the next visit). Ash also: '''''Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all, >ut the recent comments re: >Jon Michel Jarre made me think of the same thing - that JMJ is so popular >because he is a master of producing great melodies (amongst other things >like marketing, being married to an actress, looking good, presenting a >great image, doing blockbuster concert events etc), his first ever big hit, >'Oxygene' which got into no 1 in the Top of The Pops chart was because of >a simple but effective melody line - wrapped up with wonderful spacey >effects - TD were into producing long tracks like on 'Rubycon' and >'Phaedra'. Ash...for Gawd's sake...change the bloody record will you... If people don't stopping bollocking on about how TD were better in the old days, I'm off! Stop living in a bloody time capsule, will you! Chris has left TD and he won't ever come back... Jarre isn't famous 'cos he's married to Harlot Dumpling and she's famous cos she gets her kit off in nearly all of her films. Jarre is famous 'cos he writes good tunes and makes consistently good albums. Edgar is on a tiny label compared to Sony and they don't have the cash to push TD into every damned record shop in the country? Why do we keep coming back to this same tired old theme? Regards Exasperated of Newcastle''''' My dear Dave, Too much rehearsing has diminished your mental process -( or should that be 'made you mental'?). My comments did not say or even mirror the sentiment that TD were better in the old days!!! Indeed, my own persoanl favourite TD album has to be '220 Volts' - which was post Franke and analogue gear! My comments were purely related to to the commercial success of JMJ and relating that to the fact that he does right good tunes - whereas TD aren't good at this and perhaps this is why they have never reached the plateau reached by JMJ! And I think being married to Dumpling DOES have a positive effect - its got him TV coverage - and I think you'll agree that that is a big boost in the popularity stakes! And finally, all the record shops have JMJ's albums not because they are 'pushed' into doing so by Sony - its because they KNOW they are going to sell them! - I daresay, the record shops are clamouring for the albums - whereas, poor Edgar is reduced to putting his music out on his own label - a bit like you and me!!! I would venture to add that even if people DID get to hear it on the radio and TV etc, , because it doesn't have the melody of JMJ's hum-along tunes they still wouldn't like it enough to buy it in droves! And in case you again misinterpret - that's not to say JMJ's music is better or worse - personally - I prefer the less commercial TD than the commercial JMJ any day. Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4303 Jay Dawes Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB 4705 Armin Theissen Fri 6/6/1997 2 KB 4726 Re: Marcel Engels Fri 6/6/1997 3 KB 4759 Klaus Beschorner Sun 6/8/1997 2 KB 5556 ashok prema Tue 7/1/1997 5 KB 5561 Re: Marcel Engels Tue 7/1/1997 2 KB 5820 Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 7/10/1997 2 KB 5952 feldon@p... Wed 7/16/1997 2 KB 5995 Re: PNaunton@a... Sat 7/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 5:58 pm Subject: Re: No More Chris Franke... Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > Really-From: 'Stephen D. Bowline' > > > > > o THE CELESTINE PROPHECY (*one* good track) > > > > You're smokin' crack. The Celestine Prophecy is divine inspiration - a > > crowning achievement. It just doesn't get any better. > > > > > > Er.....it doesn't??? Who's smokin what??? > Its time I came out and defended C.F. Come on, OK I get a bit uncomfortable with some of the album sleeve notes ie enchanting Nature and celestine prophecy (definitely to new age. belongs in them shops where they sell black cat wind chimes etc), but the music pretty uplifting. The london Concert is brilliant, a mixture of the above mentioned uplifting (from Pacific coast highway/enchanting nature) and some cool electronic sequences & sounds, the like of which we dont seem to get to often these days from T.Dream, (although I have been encouraged by some of the TD concert reviews and from listening to Dream Mixes so I'm hoping to eat my words in November). Heres Hoping Gaza ps Klemania kicks ass too From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 6:01 pm Subject: Re: Re: Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering Really-From: anunes@m... According to Cue Records, Kraftwerk played a new instrumental song at the Tribal Gathering, and a new album is scheduled for September. Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 7:04 pm Subject: Re: Re: Alpha Centauri Really-From: anunes@m... PhilPDX@a... wrote: << No, the new release thankfully has this awful glitch cleaned up! It sounds very good, considering the original recording quality. >> Yes, but I also can hear that crackling in the beginning of track 2 of my Castle copy. Probably this crackling is intentional, because it's not a tape hiss and it's only present in that particular part. Perhaps a LP was used as a sampler? Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 12:48 pm Subject: Re: Oh not again, for Gawds sake... Really-From: David Datta : Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' : That's why I've subbed to Elana's GoldTri (no offence, Mr Datta). None taken at all! I'll be there as soon as I can get some stuff worked out to pipe into a local newsgroup. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 1:20 pm Subject: Re: Tangents and Orb Remix Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-05-27 10:05:34 EDT, you write: << 'Little Fluffy Clouds' and all the Orb's work is blighted by an inability to exercise restraint; Inappropriate samples and clunky changes do not space music make. Orbital certainly have more to offer and I think you'd be better spending your money on them. >> good to see someone has listened to 'all' of the orbs work...i doubt mr. patterson would agree with ur opinion that he makes 'space' music...and i think only the listener can really judge whether a sample is 'inappropriate'...as to restraint, one of his better albums, imo, 'orbus terrarum', was heavily criticized for being too restrained...but again, my comment really was directed at the issue of whether or not one can judge an artist by one remix...imagine if u were to pick up 'the saint' theme as ur first choice, how would u feel about orbital then? tom w np: the knights that say dot Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4316 Re: Tangents and Orb Remix Matt Williams Wed 5/28/1997 3 KB 4319 Re: Tangents and Orb Remix Sean Montgomery Wed 5/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 1:53 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #933 Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.' >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 27 May 97 12:35:23 EDT >Subject: No More Chris Franke & Paul Haslinger For *Me*! > >Really-From: Steven Feldman > >[...] > Sigh, if that's the case, I won't be buying any more Haslinger or >Chris Franke albums. Recent stinkers I've had the misfortune to have >bought and listened to: > > o UNIVERSAL SOLDIER soundtrack -- Franke > o BABYLON 5, Vol. 2: MESSAGES ROM EARTH -- Franke WHAT????!?!?!?! How dare you!! B5v2 is GREAT! Maybe you haven't gotten the point that it's a soundtrack, so it closely follows the TV series. Maybe you should watch B5... -- MIGUEL FARAH \ GCS/O d-(pu) s++:+>++: a26 C++ UL+U+>L++++ mfarah@p... / P+ L>++ E--- W++ N+++ o+ K+++ w--(+) !O M- miguel@w... \ V-- PS+(-) PE++ Y+ PGP-(+) t++@ 5++ X- R http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel / tv(+) b+ DI+ D++ G++++ e+(*) h!>++ r-- y? #include <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4307 Re: tadream-digest V15 #933 Remek Kocz Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 1:51 pm Subject: alpha centauri Really-From: slawlor I just got finished examineing my copy of alpha centaui, and, I never noticed all the drop outs before, or the crackle on the second song. The drop outs seem to occur in the left and right channels at different points. I've noticed a few of them when I had my first copy of this album from the in the beginning box set. And I got my cd copy of this recording from cdconnection in january of 96. Did castle reissue all the older stuff after that date? Actually, I always thought the drop outs are something i got used to, kind of like when they're adjusting the sequencer or arpagiator in phaedra. By the way, it also sounds like the machine they were using for all those arpagios got stuck in some kind of repetive short loop when they first start it on Phaedra. These are the kinds of things that make old T Dream classic, because i can always find something new i never heard before in these recordings. scott K. Lawlor http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 2:19 pm Subject: Really-From: Jay Dawes subscribe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 2:44 pm Subject: Re: Voltaire Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-27 10:08:10 EDT, Mike Jean write: << a beverage called a TANGERINE DREAM...Just thought you would like to know...When I inquired about the name with the waiter, he said he hadn't heard of the band, >> What's in the beverage? It may be just me, but doesn't someone who is unaware of TD appear to be singularly uninformed? You should have kept this person's name for the next sensational jury trial to come along. 'Duh, who is O.J??' 'Huh, what bombed Federal Building?' 'Tangerine Dream? I'm sorry, I've been asleep for the past thirty years.' Phil Naunton Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 2:51 pm Subject: Re: No More Chris Franke... Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... > >Its time I came out and defended C.F. Thanks Gary! I will defend C.F. also. I enjoy all of Chris Franke's music (and I really like Raven too). I really don't care if anybody on this list buys his stuff or not. I'm not on this list to watch other people's pocket books. But I will buy and trade for anything that Chris Franke has released and ever will release, which means any CD, soundtrack, single, compilation, various artists compilation, promos, collaborations, contributions to other artists, releases with different covers, CD-Rs, etc... As a matter of fact, I can't wait until we discuss for 3 months his works during D:Solo starting up in June! Now how's that for NO more Chris Franke! Send your unwanted CF my way please. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 2:42 pm Subject: Re: No More Chris Franke & Paul Haslinger For *Me*! Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > > o MUNDUS SUBTERRANEUS -- Lightwave (with Haslinger) > > Does anyone know how this compares to 'Tycho Brahe' ? I think TB > is right up there with the best in ambient space music. Agreed! If you get a review of 'Mundus Subterraneus,' would you pass it on to me, please. BTW, I may be getting part of your tape on the air this Friday. I know you want to wait til you get the CD made, but I thought I'd get some reaction from it. Small bit, no harm, eh? Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 2:50 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #933 Really-From: Remek Kocz Hello, Is the gig in Greece still going to take place? A frined from Athens claims that no one over there at the ticket office hasnàt heard of a TD concert. rEmEk From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 3:14 pm Subject: Re: Voltaire Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > It may be just me, but doesn't someone who is unaware of TD appear >to be singularly uninformed? You should have kept this person's name for the >next sensational jury trial to come along. Sorry to disappoint you, Phil, but most of the people I've enountered in my travels that I've had an opportunity to utter those two magic words to have NOT heard of them, incluing people who work in record stores! I can understand the general population never hearing of them, but I think it's unforgiveable to work in a record store and never hear of them. Personally, I kinda like it that way. 'The Beatles? Wasn't that Paul McCartney's backup band?' Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 3:19 pm Subject: Predictable Music (JMJ, CF) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > Really-From: Rich Maggio > > > > Don't give up so quickly on Franke. I don't have any of the CDs > > of his that you mention below, but I do have > > > > The London Concert > > Pacific Coast Highway > > Klemania > > > Coincidentally, these are also the only three Franke CDs > that I own. However, these have also persuaded _me_ to stop > buying Franke, so read into that what you like! 'The London Concert' is the only one I've kept. The others went to the used bin. > > These CDs don't sound like new TD at all. I can't really pinpoint > > a TD era that they sound like, just like it is hard to do > > with Edgar's solo stuff. As you would expect, the music > > is more sequenced than Edgar's stuff, not as melodic. This > > does not mean 'bad' though, IMHO. > > I agree these don't sound like new TD (though I don't why > they would), but I wouldn't say that it's ot as melodic as > TD or Edgar's stuff. PCH is full of sickeningly twee > melodies and tunes which, as you correctly state, often > appear on TLC too. Klemania just has a few tunes stuck > together in long tracks, IMO. This is also how I reacted to 'Klemania' -- not really long tracks, just long strings of short tunes without very good bridging. And the tunes are very predicable. Which brings me to the reason for posting... When I subscribed to tadream back in December I just listened to what I listened to without really thinking much about WHY I liked what I liked. I have about 700 CDs out of over 1500 that I've bought and sold over the last 10 years. I cull out the weak ones, but I'd never thought much about what made an album 'weak' to me. Well, I guess it's predictability. JMJ became predictable. CF _is_ predictable. Michael Garrison is predictable. I've stopped buying all of them and/or recycled them all. But predictability isn't all bad. You can't whistle along with an unpredictable tune the first time out. Some folks are comforted by familiar, predicable tunes (evidence: top 40). To each his/her own, eh? Now, predictability doesn't mean repetition (though predictable tunes generally _are_ repetitious). Trance inducing music is repetitious and I love a good trance. The kind of predictability I'm talking about is music that, while not necessarily repetitious, one can hum along to even if you've never heard it before. I have a friend who likes to show off by playing his synth as an accompaniment to a previously unheard song. I played some TD and he screwed it all up and got kinda mad about my choise of music. Can anyone else relate to what I'm trying to say? Predictably -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4311 Re: Predictable Music (JMJ, CF) GrafZeigen@a... Wed 5/28/1997 2 KB 4326 Re: Predictable Music (JMJ, CF) Dennis Nigbur Wed 5/28/1997 3 KB 4385 Re: Predictable Music (JMJ, CF) PNaunton@a... Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB 4395 Re: Predictable Music (JMJ, CF) Mark Filipak Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 11:40 pm Subject: Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > Can anyone else relate to what I'm trying to say? Predictably -- Mark > I can certainly appreciate what you're saying about predictability. You didn't say (but perhaps implied) that TD are unpredictable, and that perhaps goes back to my posting earlier today about their sudden changes in direction between albums. This is also evident in some albums within tracks themselves. For a while TD did become predictable (I'm listening to Zoning right now, which must be a candidate), but perhaps with Dream Mixes, Goblin's Club and Oasis, that has changed slightly. I'd never thought of this type of predictability in music, but it's always in my mind with books. I read an awful lot, and find authors quickly fall into predicability. I quite happily read Richard Laymon, Bentley Little, Shaun Hutson, James Herbert and (even) Stephen King, although I think they are predictable. They are even predictably unpredictable, if you see what I mean. But some authors are superbly unpredictable - Iain Banks (who incidentally lives in Fife) is a master, IMO. Anyway, sorry for the off-topic slant. I think I know what you're saying Mark. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4367 Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) feldon@n... Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 4426 Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) feldon@n... Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB 4787 Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) PNaunton@a... Mon 6/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 4:03 pm Subject: Re: Predictable Music (JMJ, CF) Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-28 11:47:12 EDT, you write: << Now, predictability doesn't mean repetition (though predictable tunes generally _are_ repetitious). Trance inducing music is repetitious and I love a good trance. The kind of predictability I'm talking about is music that, while not necessarily repetitious, one can hum along to even if you've never heard it before. I have a friend who likes to show off by playing his synth as an accompaniment to a previously unheard song. I played some TD and he screwed it all up and got kinda mad about my choise of music. Can anyone else relate to what I'm trying to say? Predictably -- Mark >> Yes, Indeed! Point well made...couldn't agree more. Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Brick Really-From: Matt Williams Hi There, I'm ordering 'brick' here in the UK can someone give me the catolouge and record company details as the place I'm ordering it from have no record of it? Cheers Matt......... MATTHEW WILLIAMS EMAIL: matt@s... 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 4:19 pm Subject: TD/STs Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... Well, I had the opportunity to watch FIRESTARTER again last weekend. It's been a while since I've either seen the movie or listened to the ST cd. The film is kind of entertaining...good for a rainy Saturday afternoon. But IMHO it's not one of Steven King's best novels, not one of Michael Mann's best films, nor one of TD's best soundtracks. I found it particularly annoying how American TV (even on cable channel like the USA Network) can screw up a wet-dream. Commercials every ten minutes and that penchant for running their own promos over the ending credits...obliterating the TD music, of course. Even so, the soundtrack was butchered and sparingly used in the film anyway. I then listened to the ST cd and compared it with Miracle Mile. Miracle Mile is far superior, indeed. So is Heartbreakers and several others! But, like I said, good for a rainy day. Next time I'll rent the video, though! Graf Your mind is the ugliest part of your body - Frank Zappa From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 4:34 pm Subject: Re: :::::Le Parc::::: Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-27 01:27:39 EDT, you write: << I know as a young artist, I have incredible mood swings.. not unlike many creative people. Emotional unrest.. social misfit.. manic depressant... Tangerine Dream has ya covered in all aspects! TD is MY Prozac.. Greg... >> Maybe someone should look into the mental rehabilitation capabilities of Tangerine Dream music. I highly recommend a regimen of one hour of 'Logos' every day to cure what ails'ya. It could be a solution to prison overcrowding and such. (Insert smiley here!) Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 4:37 pm Subject: Re: (No) __ More Chris Franke...__ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-28 00:05:46 EDT, Stephen B. writes: << You're smokin' crack. The Celestine Prophecy is divine inspiration - a crowning achievement. It just doesn't get any better. >> Yep! I have to agree there. Good stuff. It has changed my life, in fact. It reflects inspiration, and projects further contemplation. $0.02 + change, Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Tangents and Orb Remix Really-From: Matt Williams >Really-From: TWeibre361@a... >In a message dated 97-05-27 10:05:34 EDT, you write: ><< 'Little Fluffy Clouds' > and all the Orb's work is blighted by an inability to exercise > restraint; Inappropriate samples and clunky changes do not > space music make. Orbital certainly have more to offer and I think > you'd be better spending your money on them. >> >good to see someone has listened to 'all' of the orbs work...i doubt mr. >patterson would agree with ur opinion that he makes 'space' music...and i >think only the listener can really judge whether a sample is >'inappropriate'...as to restraint, one of his better albums, imo, 'orbus >terrarum', was heavily criticized for being too restrained...but again, my >comment really was directed at the issue of whether or not one can judge an >artist by one remix...imagine if u were to pick up 'the saint' theme as ur >first choice, how would u feel about orbital then? >tom w >np: the knights that say dot Thats a fair point,tom! but actually I have heard other orb music and it isn't really my cup of coffee...I remember a mate playing me 'orbus terrarum' and I didn't like what I heard of it.....then I heard 'Toxygene' and didn't like that either,then the remix of the TD track and didn't like that either....all and all not a very good intro to the orb ;). Matt.. MATTHEW WILLIAMS EMAIL: matt@s... 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4319 Re: Tangents and Orb Remix Sean Montgomery Wed 5/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 4:37 pm Subject: Re: Cyclone Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > > It is probably underrated because it is so different from everything > > else TD have done, especially at that point in time when it was > > actually released. > > What surprises me when people are saying they don't like Cyclone, is > that almost no-one ever mentions Madrigal Meridian. IMHO that track > alone should prove that Cyclone is not the bad apple it's supposed > to be. It's wonderfully 'dark' and 'sinister' track, with lots of > emotion woven into it. > > -jhsa Cyclone *is* fantastic. No discussion. Listening to the Don't Walk, Dream Now tape, I wonder why there hasn't been a live record from that period. Great music, partly improvised/ partly Cyclone with real acoustic drums. Marcel Music-page : http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email : fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 4:32 pm Subject: Goldtri Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > That's why I've subbed to Elana's GoldTri (no offence, Mr Datta). Anyone > else coming over ? Haven't been there yet. But I will definitely check it out! Thanks you Elena! Marcel Music-page : http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email : fsp@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7188 Goldtri Lawry Simm Fri 9/19/1997 2 KB 7198 Re: Goldtri Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 9/20/1997 3 KB 9977 Goldtri Andy Garner Fri 1/9/1998 2 KB 9991 Re: Goldtri Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 1/13/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 4:57 pm Subject: Re: Tangents and Orb Remix Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Thats a fair point,tom! but actually I have heard other orb music and it > isn't really my cup of coffee...I remember a mate playing me 'orbus terrarum' > and I didn't like what I heard of it.....then I heard 'Toxygene' and didn't > like that either Think of this another way...what if the first TD albums you ever heard were Turn of the Tides and Tyranny of Beauty? Like TD, The Orb has experienced several lineup changes, and the groups' sound has also changed. Go back...waaaay back. Try 'Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld'. I also have an increased respect for them now that I've seen them live. They toss most of the the gurgling and swooshing, and inject rhythm and humour. I wish TD shows were as spontaneous! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 5:23 pm Subject: Goblin's Club Promo CD Really-From: Vic Rek I am seriously looking to purchase or trade for the US Sequel Goblin's Club pre-release promo CD. It is yellow and blue with the tracks printed on the disc. It does not have any inserts. Please e-mail me off this list with any information. Thanks, Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 5:30 pm Subject: Re: OFF: The Neverending Story by Klaus Doldinger Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > > Doldinger also did the ST to Das Boot, which is really good. Sort of a > > blend of orchestral and electronic. I bought the import LP of the ST > > right after the film came out and never regretted it. > > Aaaahhhhhh. I _knew_ I'd heard the name somewhere before. Das Boot > was indeed an extraordinary ST. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... > Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ > \______/ > /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' > -------------------------------------------------------------------- And...Das Boot just got reissued in America on cd! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 5:46 pm Subject: Re: Brick Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Matt Williams > > Hi There, > > I'm ordering 'brick' here in the UK can someone give me the catolouge and > record company details as the place I'm ordering it from have no record of it? > > Cheers > > Matt......... > > MATTHEW WILLIAMS > > EMAIL: matt@s... > > 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the > > things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. Heh heh, hey Vic...looks like you won't be alone after all. Haha, Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4328 Re: Brick Matt Williams Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 4354 Re: Brick Plumer, Scott Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 6:07 pm Subject: Re: Tangents and Orb Remix Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-05-28 13:19:22 EDT, you write: << .I remember a mate playing me 'orbus terrarum' and I didn't like what I heard of it.....then I heard 'Toxygene' and didn't like that either,then the remix of the TD track and didn't like that either....all and all not a very good intro to the orb ;). >> yeah, thats a bad track record, even though i like orbus...why not try excursions beyond the ultraworld, uf orb, and the blue room single...if u hate those, at least uve made a valiant attempt... tom w np: si - {cut}.db - >nuisance< From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 6:40 pm Subject: Re: Tangents and Orb Remix Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > Thats a fair point,tom! but actually I have heard other orb music > > and it isn't really my cup of coffee...I remember a mate playing me > > 'orbus terrarum' and I didn't like what I heard of it.....then I > > heard 'Toxygene' and didn't like that either > > Think of this another way...what if the first TD albums you ever heard > were Turn of the Tides and Tyranny of Beauty? Like TD, The Orb has > experienced several lineup changes, and the groups' sound has also > changed. Go back...waaaay back. Try 'Adventures Beyond the > Ultraworld'. > > I also have an increased respect for them now that I've seen them live. > They toss most of the the gurgling and swooshing, and inject rhythm and > humour. I wish TD shows were as spontaneous! If you can find it, The Orb b**tleg, 'Dipping Into the Cyberworld' is really, really good. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Franke in General; MUNDUS SUBTERRANEUS Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: No More Chris Franke & Paul Haslinger For *Me*! >Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 19:55:16 -0400 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Rich Maggio > >Don't give up so quickly on Franke. I don't have any of the CDs >of his that you mention below, but I do have > > The London Concert > Pacific Coast Highway > Klemania > >Personally, I think all of these CDs are great. [...] >The point is that you may have beaten the odds (in the wrong >direction) by picking out all of his 'stinkers' by chance. >You may want to give it just one more try. Unfortunately, >I haven't heard any of the 'stinkers' to make a direct comparison. >Maybe you will listen to these and think they are garbage as well. >I don't want to see you cheat yourself out of some good Emusic - >it seems to be harder to come by nowadays. This is the Franke I have and what I think of each one (the first number is a ranking of one to ten--one being worst--and the second number is the year of release [this is from the Pocket Discography]): 7 91 PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY 2 92 UNIVERSAL SOLDIER (soundtrack composed by but not played by Franke) 5 93 THE LONDON CONCERT (live, w/ 3 covers [Vermillion Sands=Taking ... 4 93 NEW MUSIC FOR FILMS, VOL. 1 (sndtrck comp; mostly previously unr... 6 95 KLEMANIA (ltd ed; 1995 ed has different [better] mix & diff. book) 3 94 ENCHANTING NATURE (PCH remixed; 4 new tracks) [from The Nature ... 8 95 BABYLON 5 (ltd ed sndtrck; '95 ed adds 3 cuts, diff booklet & tr... 8 95 KLEMANIA (different [better] mix & diff. book than 1993 version) 8 95 BABYLON 5 (3 cuts more; different booklet & tray than 1993 vers) 2 96 THE CELESTINE PROPHECY (based on the book) 3 97 BABYLON 5, VOLUME 2: MESSAGES FROM EARTH (TV soundtrack) >Subject: Re: No More Chris Franke & Paul Haslinger For *Me*! >Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 09:32:43 +0100 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > >> Really-From: Steven Feldman >> >> o MUNDUS SUBTERRANEUS -- Lightwave (with Haslinger) > >Does anyone know how this compares to 'Tycho Brahe' ? I think TB >is right up there with the best in ambient space music. (PAUL) HASLINGER (1986-1990) solos: 6 94 FUTURE PRIMITIVE 3 96 WORLD WITHOUT RULES LIGHTWAVE 6 94 TYCHO BRAHE [pronounced 'TIE-co BRAY,' after an astronomer] 3 95 MUNDUS SUBTERRANEUS While I agree that TYCHO BRAHE is a great ambient album, MUNDUS SUBTERRANEUS is really annoying. In the CD's liner notes, Haslinger says that he got a little carried away with elements of 'musique concrete,' and he ain't kidding. Too dissonant, discordant, and jarring to be ambient, at least to my mind. Also, while I like FUTURE PRIMITIVE to some extent--especially when 'in the right mood,' I find WORLD WITHOUT RULES forced and almost entirely unappealing. For those who dislike the 'Indian feel' of HYPERBOREA, stay away! There's a picture of Krishna in the center of the quasi-mandala on the cover of the WORLD WITHOUT RULES CD for a reason! (Hey, and I used to *be* a Hare Krishna devotee, too!) Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4327 Re: Franke in General; MUNDUS SUBTERRANEUS Ken Alexander Wed 5/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 2:31 am Subject: Re: Predictable Music (JMJ, CF) Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Wed, 28 May 1997 08:19:19 -0700 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >Well, I guess it's >predictability. JMJ became predictable. CF _is_ predictable. Michael >Garrison is predictable. I've stopped buying all of them and/or >recycled them all. The question is when you stopped buying them...you might have missed something. Listening to Franke's Babylon 5 STs (both parts), for instance, I cannot find any trace whatsoever of the hum-along predictability you mentioned. In fact, and with the possible exception of the title tracks on the Volume 2 album, these pieces are so complex that they remained completely unpredictable to me even after I'd listened to them over and over again. It is true that stylistically, they sound similar (the same goes for the majority of Jarre's albums, and for TD as well - say, the Phaedra-Rubycon-Ricochet phase). But predictability, in my view, is not to be confused with stylistic coherence within or between compositions. In the end, the way in which he shapes his ideas into a meaningful whole, is part of every composer's musical handwriting. Still, there should be room enough for unpredictable turns - on a large scale, Jarre's U-turn back to his pre-ZooLook style or Franke's recent orchestral efforts have certainly not failed to surprise. On a more molecular level, the last 'Babylon 5 Vol.2' piece is strikingly melody-based in comparison with the preceding, more orchestral, compositions. Neither in Franke's nor in Jarre's recent projects can I find any of the predictability I encountered in late-Melrose/early-Seattle years TD. In fact, I found myself listening to an entirely unknown track, predicting drum loops, guitar solos, and sax parts... Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 28, 1997 9:06 pm Subject: Re: Franke in General; MUNDUS SUBTERRANEUS Really-From: Ken Alexander > This is the Franke I have and what I think of each one (the first > number is a ranking of one to ten--one being worst--and the second > number is the year of release [this is from the Pocket Discography]): > > 7 91 PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY > 2 92 UNIVERSAL SOLDIER (soundtrack composed by but not played by Franke) > 5 93 THE LONDON CONCERT (live, w/ 3 covers [Vermillion Sands=Taking ... > 4 93 NEW MUSIC FOR FILMS, VOL. 1 (sndtrck comp; mostly previously unr... > 6 95 KLEMANIA (ltd ed; 1995 ed has different [better] mix & diff. book) > 3 94 ENCHANTING NATURE (PCH remixed; 4 new tracks) [from The Nature ... > 8 95 BABYLON 5 (ltd ed sndtrck; '95 ed adds 3 cuts, diff booklet & tr... > 8 95 KLEMANIA (different [better] mix & diff. book than 1993 version) > 8 95 BABYLON 5 (3 cuts more; different booklet & tray than 1993 vers) > 2 96 THE CELESTINE PROPHECY (based on the book) > 3 97 BABYLON 5, VOLUME 2: MESSAGES FROM EARTH (TV soundtrack) Hmmm. Mine would go something more like this: 3 91 PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY [namby-pamby light comtemp. newagey pap crap] 1 92 UNIVERSAL SOLDIER [boring soundtrack, played by others] 7 93 THE LONDON CONCERT [TD-like concert] 3 93 NEW MUSIC FOR FILMS, V. 1 [average soundtrack stuff] 9 95 KLEMANIA [great TD-like but more agressive] 2 94 ENCHANTING NATURE [it's still PCH] 7 95 BABYLON 5 (pre-release) [great soundtrack] ? 95 KLEMANIA [only have the earlier version] 8 95 BABYLON 5 (3 cuts more) [great soundtrack] ? 96 THE CELESTINE PROPHECY [can't bear to try it, given the BS topic] 8 97 BABYLON 5, VOLUME 2 [great soundtrack] So I'd recommend Klemania, LondonConcert, and both B5 soundtracks. Stay away from everything else. (Anyone want to buy my PCH? :-)) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Brick Really-From: Matt Williams Thanks to everyone who has shown concern about me buying 'Brick'...I only own the albums on tapes so it will give me the chance to have the set....I can't back out now anyway cause I have paid the deposit.... The guy who is getting me it says it isn't listed under Miramer....so if anyone could supply me with the catolouge number for the UK version of this box set I'll be most gratefull???? Cheers Matt..... MATTHEW WILLIAMS EMAIL: matt@s... 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 12:09 am Subject: Re: Oasis and Zoning Really-From: Tony Marshall >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >Over the weekend I found the Oasis ST and Zoning at a local shop (My >Generation in Westlake, OH) for $22.95 and $18.95, respectively. Is that >price worth it? Can they be had on the Web cheaper? Should I pay >anything for Zoning? Is it _right_ to buy a Chrysler? Seriously, Zoning is pretty good - definitely NOT the worst TD album ever as some have said. I know I slagged it off a while back (saying only the first track was any good), but it's really grown on me. That first track is probably the best thing they've done in the 90's - a really great 'tune' and it's already made it onto my 90min 'Best of TD' tape for the car! Tony Marshall |#include ----------------------|--------------------------------------------------- My Mystery Tune Page http://www.zigzag.u-net.com/ - updating it soon! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4343 Re: Oasis and Zoning TangerineC@a... Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 4356 Re: Oasis and Zoning Plumer, Scott Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 3:49 am Subject: Re: No More Chris Franke & Paul Haslinger For *Me*! Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-28 03:58:48 EDT, you write: << Hmmmm. Why do I still own these ? >> Because, in your heart, you know you're wrong, and you just can't admit it? Just a guess. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 4:23 am Subject: Re: Consistency of TD Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-05-25 22:52:24 EDT, you write: << I believe that the best measure of consistence is the emotional attachment I feel to the Artist's music. I can still listen to Klaus' concoctions and feel what he wanted to express. I got very attached to his Beyond Recall album, even though it is not that old. I no longer get this from TD's music. I tried, but I just could not find that passionate attachment I felt during the earlier years. Their music is still highly sentimental for me, and that is why I will probably still listen to it. Dream on everyone, Pawel >> It's great to see such a positive message. Nice thoughts on comparing new and old. I, too, don't care much for newer TD, but I also keep listening, and probably always will. Unless they do that polka album. Gotta draw the line somewhere. ;-) Phil D. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4446 Re: Consistency of TD PNaunton@a... Sat 5/31/1997 3 KB 4455 Re: Consistency of TD TangerineC@a... Sun 6/1/1997 2 KB 4464 Re: Consistency of TD Mark Filipak Sun 6/1/1997 2 KB 4486 Re: Consistency of TD Dennis Nigbur Mon 6/2/1997 3 KB 4769 Re: Consistency of TD PNaunton@a... Sun 6/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 5:29 am Subject: TDI Really-From: AslanFan1@a... I don't believe I've ever seen a TDI CD in a record store here in the US. Can anyone recommend a good source to purchase these from over the net? I am particularly interested in the TDI release of Johannes Schmolling's ZOO of TRANQUILITY. I'd sure appreciate the help. Thanks! -Alan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14208 TDI Mathew Hargreaves Wed 6/3/1998 7 KB 14209 Re: TDI TangerineC@a... Wed 6/3/1998 3 KB 14211 Re: TDI Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 6/3/1998 3 KB 14212 Re: TDI Dan J. Schulte Wed 6/3/1998 3 KB 14214 Re: TDI Sean Montgomery Wed 6/3/1998 3 KB 14213 Re: TDI Dan J. Schulte Wed 6/3/1998 3 KB 14215 Re: TDI Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 6/3/1998 8 KB 14222 Re: TDI mark chmielewski Thu 6/4/1998 5 KB 14232 Re: Freedom in America? HAH! (no TD content) feldon@p... Thu 6/4/1998 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 5:29 am Subject: Re: Now playing: JMJarre Oxygene 7-13 Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Hello All.. I just bought this album as I was quite surprised to see it for sale at my local music store. My opinions on this album are quite good, although I do NOT think this album is any better than any recent TD albums. This album proves to me how wonderful the analog synths can sound and the quality that is capable there. I do like Jarre's sequenced tracks but it falls in the techno hole too quickly--but still they are good. The melodys just don't have as much feeling as say Logos or Tangram as we all know the feeling TD got out of the warm brass-sounding synths. I do say this album goes further back into the 70's than I've explored into with TD. I do not have Jarre's earlier Oxygene 1-6 so I cannot compare. The music sounds fresh, full of texture, quite spacy in areas, and keeps a good movement. I would like to know where in these tracks the old synths were used? Can anyone point out an area where the Mellotron or VCS3 synthesizer were used? I'm just curious. Thanks Greg... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4337 Re: Now playing: JMJarre Oxygene 7-13 Greg Heil Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 5:33 am Subject: Pleasant Surprise Really-From: AslanFan1@a... While nothing is the same as TD, here's a couple of CDs that really surprised me how good they were in a vaguely similar vein: Mike Oldfield-Songs of Distant Earth Mike Oldfied-Amarok Vangelis-Oceanic Richard Souther-Illumination Enigma's First CD Exchange-Into the Night Franke's Pacific Coast Hightway Mark Shreeve-Legion Worth a test spin. Anybody care to chime in our out? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4361 Re: Pleasant Surprise Mark Filipak Thu 5/29/1997 3 KB 4364 Re: Pleasant Surprise Mark Filipak Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 5:40 am Subject: SOLO Really-From: AslanFan1@a... Bring on the flames! If I could have any cd come out this year from any artist, I'd like to hear a solo cd from Jermome. Look, we already know what Edgar does when he has complete creative control. So many on this list seem to give Jerome no more credit than being good for haircut potshots. His first track off of Canyon Dreams is, in my opinion, the best on the disc. Melrose is brilliant. (as is Ricochet, Logos, Tangram, White Eagle, Underwater Sunlight, 220 Volts and The Dream Mixes). And every disc he's been on has at least a couple of tracks that I think are excellent and innovative, even if the cd as a whole wasn't their best effort. SO let's see what he can do on his own! I'll bet a bunch of us would be surprised. That's the top of Christmas wish list. And for the record, his guitar solo on the 220V tour kicked butt. Edgar's was good, but Jerome's was great. Pardon me while I reach for the fire extinguisher now... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4350 Re: SOLO Mark Filipak Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 4353 Re: SOLO Plumer, Scott Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 4360 Re: SOLO Gabe Yedid Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 4387 Re: SOLO Larry E Smith Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB 4388 Re: SOLO Larry E Smith Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB 4394 Re: SOLO Mark Filipak Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB 4419 Re: SOLO Larry E Smith Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB 4445 Re: SOLO PNaunton@a... Sat 5/31/1997 2 KB 4476 Re: SOLO Mark Filipak Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 6:11 am Subject: d: addendum, week of May 26 Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> D: List, Addendum; Week of May 26 Three Phase Enjoy! sorry this is late, it was a long weekend! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 7:36 am Subject: Re: Now playing: JMJarre Oxygene 7-13 Really-From: 'Greg Heil' I must redeem myself! I give the Jarre album better marks! (Took a little listening over headphones) I especially like Oxygene 13! Anyway.. it's not TD.. and it's not much like anything else I've heard.. but it's definately a style of the musician. Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 7:44 am Subject: Fabric Softeners and CDs Really-From: Mark Filipak I've always been careful handling CDs and try very hard to never let the clear, non-label side touch anything. But sometimes a used CD has to be cleaned. I've always used a non-ionic (read: not very good) soap that can be bought at a commercial restaurant supply (cause it's cheap) to clean the CD (using plenty of water to dilute it) followed by a light drying using a clean, very high quality, all cotton dish towel -- the kind that do not leave lint behind. All went well until I started to notice that certain CDs started to skip randomly even though nothing appeared to be wrong with them. Cleaning didn't seem to help. It was beginning to make me craz(y/ier). To make a long story short, here's what I found. My CDs were getting coated by fabric softener from that dish towel. I couldn't see it until I tried cleaning a particularly reluctant CD with Kodak lens cleaner. I discovered the CD was covered by a thin film of what acted like grease. This grease I believe was the fabric softener put into almost all laundary detergents. Even with lens cleaner, the best I could do was to get this film to ball up (as viewed through a flourescent ring magnifier) which I could then lift off with a clean lens tissue. I tried all sorts of polycarbonate-friendly solvents, but I could find nothing that would actually dissolve this crap. If you have similarly reluctant CDs that skip, but not consistently, then try cleaning the non-label side with lens cleaner and lens tissues. Expect to go through a dozen or more tissues per CD. Whatever you do, don't use ordinary tissues -- they will scratch the hell of the CD. Big scratches are no problem since the laser can focus past a big scratch. It's a field of little fine scratches and/or surface coatings that create the big problems. And don't ever 'clean' a CD with the tail of your tee-shirt. The combination of body oil and fabric softener is almost impossible to get off. And no matter how soft a piece of cotton feels, it will make fine scratches when rubbed even moderately across the surface. Oh, BTW, the white waffle material used by Case Logic is _really_ bad news. Another public service from Mark Propellerhead (looking forward to Krell music on little metal cylinders -- indestructable, non-magnetic, don't have to be kept clean) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4340 Re: Fabric Softeners and CDs Rakinik Intertype (DJS) Thu 5/29/1997 4 KB 4341 Re: Fabric Softeners and CDs Greg Heil Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 4349 Re: Fabric Softeners and CDs Vincent Goudreault Thu 5/29/1997 3 KB 4363 Re: Fabric Softeners and CDs TWeibre361@a... Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 8:02 am Subject: Re: :::::Le Parc::::: Really-From: 'Greg Heil' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Re: :::::Le Parc::::: > Date: Wednesday, May 28, 1997 9:34 AM > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > > In a message dated 97-05-27 01:27:39 EDT, you write: > > << I know as a young artist, I have incredible mood swings.. > not unlike many creative people. Emotional unrest.. social misfit.. manic > depressant... Tangerine Dream has ya covered in all aspects! > > TD is MY Prozac.. > > Greg... > >> > > Maybe someone should look into the mental rehabilitation > capabilities of Tangerine Dream music. I highly recommend a regimen of one > hour of 'Logos' every day to cure what ails'ya. It could be a solution to > prison overcrowding and such. > (Insert smiley here!) > > Phil Naunton Well.. there can be mellowed out rooms where TD is played as a soothing stress releiver. And maybe if we can get the sound equipment.. we all could play TD across all the lands of the world! Where every person yearns no more than to listen and work.. destructive people would listen to Tangram and Logos.. and to solve all the global country problems, just use Exit! Think about the possiblities! World Wide peace.. no more criminal acts! Amazing! --sorry guys.. I'm under the influence of Jarre's music.. it dosn't let me think as straght as if I were listening to TD--- Drunken Stereo Beeping Effect AKA Doppler Radar during Independance Day Oh yeah.. Le Parc.. what's this with Edgar saying about breathing in and out in the castle album release notes? I'm still confused as to why songs have to be shorter and melodic when breathing in? Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 8:28 am Subject: Re: Fabric Softeners and CDs Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > I've always been careful handling CDs and try very hard to never let > the clear, non-label side touch anything. But sometimes a used CD has > to be cleaned. I've always used a non-ionic (read: not very good) soap > that can be bought at a commercial restaurant supply (cause it's cheap) > to clean the CD (using plenty of water to dilute it) followed by a > light drying using a clean, very high quality, all cotton dish towel -- > the kind that do not leave lint behind. > > All went well until I started to notice that certain CDs started to > skip randomly even though nothing appeared to be wrong with them. > Cleaning didn't seem to help. It was beginning to make me craz(y/ier). > > To make a long story short, here's what I found. > > My CDs were getting coated by fabric softener from that dish towel. I > couldn't see it until I tried cleaning a particularly reluctant CD with > Kodak lens cleaner. > > I discovered the CD was covered by a thin film of what acted like > grease. This grease I believe was the fabric softener put into almost > all laundary detergents. > > Even with lens cleaner, the best I could do was to get this film to > ball up (as viewed through a flourescent ring magnifier) which I could > then lift off with a clean lens tissue. I tried all sorts of > polycarbonate-friendly solvents, but I could find nothing that would > actually dissolve this crap. > > If you have similarly reluctant CDs that skip, but not consistently, > then try cleaning the non-label side with lens cleaner and lens > tissues. Expect to go through a dozen or more tissues per CD. > Whatever you do, don't use ordinary tissues -- they will scratch the > hell of the CD. Big scratches are no problem since the laser can focus > past a big scratch. It's a field of little fine scratches and/or > surface coatings that create the big problems. > > And don't ever 'clean' a CD with the tail of your tee-shirt. The > combination of body oil and fabric softener is almost impossible to get > off. And no matter how soft a piece of cotton feels, it will make fine > scratches when rubbed even moderately across the surface. Oh, BTW, the > white waffle material used by Case Logic is _really_ bad news. > > Another public service from Mark Propellerhead (looking forward to > Krell music on little metal cylinders -- indestructable, non-magnetic, > don't have to be kept clean) Thanks Mark. Always good to know these things...as nothing is worse than the death of a cd...unless it's a Spice Girl cd. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 8:27 am Subject: Re: Fabric Softeners and CDs Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Another public service from Mark Propellerhead (looking forward to > Krell music on little metal cylinders -- indestructable, non-magnetic, > don't have to be kept clean) Thanks for the advice Mark! Although I'd go for the little memory chips being invented for use in small music players.. non-destructable yep.. all digital.. never wear out.. my kinda sound for e-music! Although my tapes will outlast all my CD's.. I'm sure of that. Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 8:48 am Subject: Analogue Heaven (Was Now playing: JMJ) Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > I would like to know where in these tracks the old synths were used? Can > anyone point out an area where the Mellotron or VCS3 synthesizer were used? > I'm just curious. FWIW, here's my feelings for where old instruments were used :- JMJ never uses a VCS3 for melodic effects - it has a joystick instead of a keyboard. It is used mainly for 'sweeping' and 'burbling' sounds (I believe he has 6 of the buggers). Try sounds at :- Oxy 7 at 1:00 (the chuffing white noise) Oxy 7 all the large 'wave like' white noise whooshes. Oxy 7 4:50 high sweepy 'bird chirps' Oxy 7 5:10 stereo 'bubbles' Oxy 7 8:00 'rain' Basically, any abstract, non melodic sounds are produced by the VCS3(s). He also has an AKS, which is basically a VCS3 with keyboard and digital sequencer (VERY advanced for its time of design). The mellotron is used mostly for the idiosyncratic strings and choir sounds (Oxy 7 has a lot of choir). Oxy 7 at 3:00 The strings play the melody Oxy 8 at 1:28 The strings play the melody Oxy 9 at 2:40 The strings play a falling melody in the background The Yamaha CS80 is a huge-sounding analogue polysynth. Oxy 7 9:00 the big orchestral strings. Oxy 9 3:20 the big 'Vangelis' brass sound. I'm not sure where he uses a Theremin, but I'd guess Oxy 7 10:50 the high melody line (but it might just be a synth with portamento and vibrato. Oxy 9 3:50 possibly the high melody again. Apparently, he's going to be playing Theremin live ! I'd love to know where he gets his 'guiro' sound on Oxy 8 (no, it's not a preset on any Roland rhythm box). Sorry for the off-TD post, but I just can't get enough of the analogue sound. I'm currently writing music for a game here at DMA and doing a 'Switched-On Bach' (every line is a monophonic analogue sound). It sounds really fresh ! -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4345 Re: Analogue Heaven (Was Now playing: JMJ) Greg Heil Thu 5/29/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 9:11 am Subject: Re: Oasis and Zoning Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-29 04:37:38 EDT, you write: >Seriously, Zoning is pretty good - definitely NOT the worst TD album ever as >some have said. O.k. so it's better than Rockoon. :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 9:33 am Subject: Re: Misc (Cyclone, Orb vs. Orbital) Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Subject: Cyclone > Maybe we're heading back to the days where picking up a new > TD album fills us with anticipation for whch new direction > will have been taken now, rather than the (IMO) formulaic > attitude of most of the Haslinger and early-Froese/Froese > years. So does that mean that I'll have to start hunting for new TD CDs again? :) I've only found Goblins Club of those 3 you mentioned (GC, DM, Oasis). > BTW, what does YMMV mean? Your Mileage May Vary. YACA. Yet Another Commom Acronym. O:) > Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > Subject: Re: Tangents and Orb Remix > << 'Little Fluffy Clouds' > and all the Orb's work is blighted by an inability to exercise > restraint; Inappropriate samples and clunky changes do not > space music make. Orbital certainly have more to offer and I think > you'd be better spending your money on them. >> > good to see someone has listened to 'all' of the orbs work... > comment really was directed at the issue of whether or not one can judge an > artist by one remix...imagine if u were to pick up 'the saint' theme as ur > first choice, how would u feel about orbital then? Right. I like both Orb and Orbital, and both for very different reasons. I have almost all the stuff both have put out, too. All that Orb & Orbital share are in my opinion the first 3 letters. The music itself bears almost no similarity (apart from being crammed into the loose 'techno/ambient' genre). Orb seem to rely heavily on samples and concentrate less on the melodic structure (which is not to say it doesn't exist, mind you) whereas Orbital goes for the melody and rhythm and not that much for samples. I can see why Orbital has more appeal to a random TD-fan, a very good example can be found on their latest album 'In Sides', the second part of the last track (actually 2 tracks) 'Out There Somewhere?' has a very nice sequencer/ arpeggiator beginning. For a casual TD-fan I'd suggest U.F.Orb from Orb and either Brown album (second untitled album) or In Sides from Orbital. -jhsa -- Stupid user error. Terminate user (Y/n) ? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4348 Re: Misc (Cyclone, Orb vs. Orbital) Steve McCready Thu 5/29/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 9:45 am Subject: Re: Analogue Heaven (Was Now playing: JMJ) Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > Sorry for the off-TD post, but I just can't get enough of the > analogue sound. I'm currently writing music for a game here at > DMA and doing a 'Switched-On Bach' (every line is a monophonic > analogue sound). It sounds really fresh ! > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > _.^~~~~~\ > Grunt ! [, @ > \______/ > /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' > -------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for answering my question! Jarre must really be working to use all those instruments in a single track. I guess when a person imagines music.. they know their instruments pretty well.. I think the total freedom of the digital sampler and keyboard has destroyed the creativity of many artists.. as anything is possible.. and I believe it was technology that drove TD into newer and more ambitious sounds. Now where do we start? Why so complex has the music become? Has the digital age deadened us to the thrill of new sounds? I would say Edgar is not limited to the technology... but I would say it was his breaking the limits of early technology that made TD stand out. It may well be the digital age of synthesized creation that is too wide open for artists to comprehend.. as with all other forms of music.. there are limitations in the sounds produced. Now you have a machine that can make people lazy--deter creativity--not force musicians to create new sounds. Why did the analouge sounds of past become mainstays on many digital keyboards and MIDI stations? They had personality and a sound people had become accustomed to. I have yet to hear a digital sound other than the 'orchestra hit' that has stuck out as so many other older sounds have. Greg.. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 10:21 am Subject: Re: come again? Really-From: pjv@a... (Phil Vendy) >Seriously, Zoning is pretty good - definitely NOT the worst TD album ever as >some have said. I know I slagged it off a while back (saying only the first >track was any good), but it's really grown on me. That first >track is probably the best thing they've done in the 90's - a really great >'tune' and it's already made it onto my 90min 'Best of TD' tape for the car! ? Does this mean I can come out again? I said Zoning was great six months ago and was stomped all over till I couldn't take another stomp. I even stopped breathing, in case somebody mistook it for being alive and kept right on stomping. And now someone is saying Zoning WASN'T the worst thing since Hitler, after all? 'Pretty good'? Jeez, this can't still be 1994. It's forty years in the future, right? BTW, if JMJ figures there's money in 70s retro, good luck to him. He probably drives a bright orange Hillman Avenger, too. Plays along with the Bee Gees for practice. Like, EF should care? ? ? again. Hell, this could change my whole life. 'It's alright, they'll never get us from that dista*#@________' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 11:49 am Subject: Auction Really-From: Klaus Beschorner Hi guys, bids are coming in for the auction. Very few for the vinyl stuff, but I knew that most people here collect mainly CDs. What I don't understand, though : NO BID SO FAR FOR 'VOICES IN THE DUNES' ?? Weren't there several people who asked for this here on the list ? Take your chance now, all that doesn't go will be offered thru other channels (fanzines and Oldie Markt / Goldmine). -klaus- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5975 Auction Hermes Guzman Fri 7/18/1997 3 KB 5981 Re: Auction Ken Alexander Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB 8398 Auction Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 11/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 7:08 pm Subject: Re: Misc (Cyclone, Orb vs. Orbital) Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready) On Thu, 29 May 1997 12:33:35 +0300 (EET DST), jhsa wrote: >Right. I like both Orb and Orbital, and both for very different reasons. >I have almost all the stuff both have put out, too. All that Orb & Orbital >share are in my opinion the first 3 letters. Agreed. I like Orbital much more than the Orb, but Orb's music is interesting and enjoyable when I'm in the right mood. One of the things I like most about Orbital is the drums (take note, those of you who hate Jerome's drumming!). With most techno-ish music, the drums are there, but have no real identity and provide nothing new or different in the way of sound or rhythm. With Orbital, they are a key element of the music ('The Girl With the Sun in her Head' and 'Forever' come to mind). I'll concur with jhsa's suggestion of 'In Sides' as a good Orbital purchase. Probably their best overall album. More techno than TD will probably ever be, but there are some TDish elements, and a lot of good electronic music. Check it out! -Steve sbm@p... Sacramento, CA From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 12:31 pm Subject: Re: Fabric Softeners and CDs Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On May 29, 12:44am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Fabric Softeners and CDs > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > (...) > > Another public service from Mark Propellerhead (looking forward to > Krell music on little metal cylinders -- indestructable, non-magnetic, > don't have to be kept clean) > Don't hold your breath: Altair IV is not exactly next door... C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 1:04 pm Subject: Re: SOLO Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: AslanFan1@a... > > Bring on the flames! > > If I could have any cd come out this year from any artist, I'd like > to hear a solo cd from Jermome. I like this idea. I guess it's bound to happen some day. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 1:14 pm Subject: Re: Cyclone Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-29 00:34:19 EDT, you write: << Cyclone is not the bad apple it's supposed > to be. It's wonderfully 'dark' and 'sinister' .... >> I gave Cyclone a listen the other day, and I still love it! This is the TD I really came to know and love in the first place. Sure it's a little different but what's wrong with that? I would agree that it would be just as good without the lyrics...they seem a little dated and kind of 'Hippy-Dippy' by todays standards, but every group was kind of 'Hippy-Dippy' back then. I like the nostalgic feel of this album! Graf 'Your body is the dirtiest part of your mind'- Graf Zeigen From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 1:18 pm Subject: GoldTri Really-From: Elana who? > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) >> Ash...for Gawd's sake...change the bloody record will you... If people >> don't stopping bollocking on about how TD were better in the old days, I'm >> off! Stop living in a bloody time capsule, will you! Chris has left TD and >> he won't ever come back... >That's why I've subbed to Elana's GoldTri That's what a large part of what GoldTri is FOR... I mean, there are so many unknown and sort-of-known brillant artists out there who are doing a fantastic job of carrying on this kind of musical tradition. Part of the task of the GoldTri members is to find those artists and support them... thus ourselves helping carry that tradition further. What do we need to complain about TD not doing it anymore? They've DONE their job in their vintage days, and that's to inspire the music to start with! That task is complete; Franke-era TD has already accomplished their much-needed role in emusic history. They've done their work already of mapping and carving out this new road in the musical landscape. We've been living on that road and we love where it goes... now it's our job to us to roll up our sleeves and *pave* it. -Elana GoldTri home page: http://www.aracnet.com/~elana/goldtri.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7006 GoldTri Lawry Simm Wed 9/10/1997 2 KB 7008 Re: GoldTri Grant Middleton Wed 9/10/1997 3 KB 7009 Re: GoldTri Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 9/11/1997 3 KB 8087 GoldTri Larry E Smith Sun 10/26/1997 2 KB 8093 Re: GoldTri Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 10/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 1:21 pm Subject: RE: SOLO Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >If I could have any cd come out this year from any artist, I'd like to hear a >solo cd from Jermome. > >Look, we already know what Edgar does when he has complete creative control. >So many on this list seem to give Jerome no more credit than being good for >haircut potshots. What was Edgar's last solo effort that contained new, original material? I wonder if the reason Ed hasn't done any solo stuff in a while is because TD is totally his band now, and he has complete control without compromising with other artists. I agree, though, a Jerome solo would be interesting. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4360 Re: SOLO Gabe Yedid Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 1:13 pm Subject: Re: Brick Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > Thanks to everyone who has shown concern about me buying 'Brick'...I only own >the albums on tapes so it will give me the chance to have the set....I can't >back out now anyway cause I have paid the deposit.... Actually, if you're planning on buying all those albums that's not a bad idea. CDNow has it for $33. Good price. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 1:26 pm Subject: Gold-Tri Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all, >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' >That's why I've subbed to Elana's GoldTri (no offence, Mr Datta). Anyone >else coming over ? > >NP - T-Bass 'The Infection of Time' (killer synth rock) > >Now I come to think of it, wouldn't T-Bass be suitable discussion >material for this new Mailing List ? Yes, we're going to sub to GoldTri ASAP. I think a better subject for discussion might be why some British EM fans are so ready to whinge on about the lack of good EM concerts and venues meanwhile EMMA have a bugger of a job filling the first two rows of the concert hall. I'm not having a go at anyone on the list in particular but it makes ya wanna puke when you realise just how much effort has gone into this event only to find so few people apparently interested in attending. EMMA needs people to support it. Without support from EM fans everywhere, EMMA will die! Some fans are coming from as far away as Japan, Germany, the US etc just to be there...Yes, I know it's difficult for some of you to turn up especially since, for the majority of digest readers, EMMA means travelling to another country and spending a huge amount of money. But when Jarre sells out Birmingham NEC you gotta ask yorself where the audience for our home grown EM bands has gone... You can't blame it all on the media for not publicising the damned event. You can blame the apathy of some fans though. Anyway, back to the treadmill... Cheers David P.S. Thanks for the plug, Grant! T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4365 Re: Gold-Tri Paul Nagle Thu 5/29/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 1:24 pm Subject: Re: Oasis and Zoning Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >In a message dated 97-05-29 04:37:38 EDT, you write: >>Seriously, Zoning is pretty good - definitely NOT the worst TD album ever as >>some have said. >O.k. so it's better than Rockoon. :) Hey, I rather like Rockoon! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 1:37 pm Subject: Jerome Solo Really-From: Michael A Jean That IS an interesting concept..... RE: Zoo of Tranquilty: I don't think it has been re-released yet...check back with Voiceprint at www.vprint.demon.co.uk...It seems to be the official TDI page.... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 1:41 pm Subject: TD Drinks Really-From: Michael A Jean Phil, You are in Chicago, go check it out...I think Voltaire is on CLark, just North of Belmont... The drink was non-alcoholic...Tangerine Selzer and vanilla ice cream....I did like it, or perhaps my date just had me in a good mood.... ;^) MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 1:42 pm Subject: DREAM MIXES 2 Really-From: Michael A Jean Does anyone know whatever happened to this rumored CD??? MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4362 Re: DREAM MIXES 2 Sean Montgomery Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 4368 Re: DREAM MIXES 2 feldon@n... Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 4370 Re: DREAM MIXES 2 Sean Montgomery Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 4457 DREAM MIXES 2 Michael A Jean Sun 6/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 3:30 pm Subject: RE: SOLO Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 29 May 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > What was Edgar's last solo effort that contained new, original material? Have we forgotten _BtS_ and _Zoning_ so quickly? > I agree, though, a Jerome solo would be interesting. Gotta say ditto here. > Scott > Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 3:19 pm Subject: Re: Pleasant Surprise Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: AslanFan1@a... > > While nothing is the same as TD, here's a couple of CDs that really > surprised me how good they were in a vaguely similar vein: Your picks surprise me, Alan. No offense, but here's my reactions of what they're worth: > Mike Oldfield-Songs of Distant Earth > Mike Oldfied-Amarok Went off Oldfield when I heard these. > Vangelis-Oceanic Not heard it. > Richard Souther-Illumination Ditto, but I'd like to hear reactions to this. > Enigma's First CD Ugh! > Exchange-Into the Night I have had this for years. Not like TD at all. More like a cross between ELO and UK. Good album (D. Hughes, I mentioned this to you -- want a copy?), but not very challenging. > Franke's Pacific Coast Hightway No comment. > Mark Shreeve-Legion Now there ya go. -- Mark (duck and cover) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 3:53 pm Subject: Re: DREAM MIXES 2 Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Does anyone know whatever happened to this rumored CD??? I've never heard of it...do you mean the 2-CD import version (the one with 'Iowa' and 'Sojus')? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 5:25 pm Subject: Re: Fabric Softeners and CDs Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-05-29 12:21:42 EDT, you write: << Thanks Mark. Always good to know these things...as nothing is worse than the death of a cd...unless it's a Spice Girl cd. >> dont say that...ud b suprised how much these fetch at the used cd outlets.... tom w np: ambient dub vol. 1 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 6:01 pm Subject: Re: Pleasant Surprise Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: AslanFan1@a... > > ... > Your picks surprise me, Alan. No offense, but here's my reactions of > what they're worth: Freudian slip there? What I meant to say was 'No offense, but here's my reactions _for_ what they're worth.' Sorry Alan, I didn't really mean any offense. -- Mark (guess I don't know _of_ what I speak) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 12:18 am Subject: Re: Gold-Tri Really-From: Paul Nagle On Thu, 29 May 1997 14:26:16 +0100, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >>That's why I've subbed to Elana's GoldTri (no offence, Mr Datta). Anyone >>else coming over ? What do I do? >are so ready to whinge on about the lack of good EM concerts and venues >meanwhile EMMA have a bugger of a job filling the first two rows of the Well I have a good excuse - I'm practising for my own gig in Derby on the following day! From what I hear most people think the tickets are too expensive without a 'big' headline act.... If I could though, I'd be there. Even if it was only to go and get pissed with Mr Pickford then come back and abuse everyone! 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 8:14 pm Subject: Re: Cyclone Really-From: feldon@n... At 10:22 AM 5/28/97 GB-EIRE, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > >During the Schmoelling and then Haslinger years, there >seemed to be more 'direction' or consistentcy (or >repetition?) in the albums. To be more specific, the Schmoelling years were consistant. The Haslinger years were repetitive. Morgan feldon@n... p.s. What is the first thing that I think about when I see/hear Haslinger's name? Ascending and descending scales and chord progressions ad nauseum. Anyone else agree? If you were stranded on a desert island and could only have 10 TD albums, what would they be? My vote: Phaedra, Rubycon, Force Majeure, Stratosfear, Pergamon 2CD*, Logos 2CD*, Poland 2CD, Miracle Mile, 220 Volt, Dream Mixes 2CD. *albums not officially released and not presently available (although I hear people are working on making these happen!) Don't ask me for them! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4369 Desert Island Disks Sean Montgomery Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 4374 Re: Desert Island Disks stephan bischoff Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 4416 Re: Desert Island Disks Steve McCready Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 8:21 pm Subject: Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) Really-From: feldon@n... At 04:40 PM 5/28/97 GB-EIRE, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' >I can certainly appreciate what you're saying about >predictability. You didn't say (but perhaps implied) that >TD are unpredictable, and that perhaps goes back to my >posting earlier today about their sudden changes in >direction between albums. This is also evident in some >albums within tracks themselves. > >For a while TD did become predictable (I'm listening to >Zoning right now, which must be a candidate), but perhaps >with Dream Mixes, Goblin's Club and Oasis, that has changed >slightly. I believe the word you're grasping for in description of recent albums is 'lost!' Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 8:41 pm Subject: Re: DREAM MIXES 2 Really-From: feldon@n... At 08:42 AM 5/29/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Michael A Jean > >Does anyone know whatever happened to this rumored CD??? > >MJ What do you mean rumored? There are two separate Dream Mixes releases: Dream Mixes (US release by Miramar) which has 10 tracks, 6 are remixes from 220 Volt, Turn of the Tides, and Tyranny of Beauty. Dream Mixes 2CD (Austrian release by TDI) with the same first disc as Dream Mixes and then disc two has two radio edits of 2 tracks on 'mixes, 2 re-remixes of _those_ tracks and two new godawful (oops, so much for being unbiased) tracks Iowa and Sojus. I've got both of them. Morgan feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4370 Re: DREAM MIXES 2 Sean Montgomery Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 7:44 pm Subject: Desert Island Disks Really-From: Sean Montgomery > If you were stranded on a desert island and could only have 10 TD albums, > what would they be? In Chronological Order: Ricochet Pergamon Exit Poland Dream Sequence Disk 2 Legend Miracle Mile Melrose 220 Volt Dream Mixes Of course, I'm allowed to change my mind at a later date... Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4374 Re: Desert Island Disks stephan bischoff Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 4416 Re: Desert Island Disks Steve McCready Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 7:50 pm Subject: Re: DREAM MIXES 2 Really-From: Sean Montgomery > ....and two new godawful (oops, so much for being unbiased) tracks Iowa > and Sojus. *gasp* I think Sojus deserved to be on the regular release! Okay, just another opinion. Actually, I used Sojus as the music for my Computer Animation demo reel upon graduating from school. I edited the song down to a tidy 1:30. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 8:15 pm Subject: RE: Desert Island Disks Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > If you were stranded on a desert island and could only have 10 TD albums, > what would they be? Oh that's easy: Destination Berlin, Turn of the Tides. . . Just kidding! Phaedra Encore Pergamon Thief Hyperborea Underwater Sunlight Miracle Mile Melrose Optical Race Goblin's Club (or maybe Rockoon) This time, I'm not kidding. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4375 Re: Desert Island Disks K.E Thu 5/29/1997 2 KB 4377 Re: Desert Island Disks Rakinik Intertype (DJS) Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB 4378 Re: Desert Island Disks Dennis Nigbur Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB 4381 Re: Desert Island Disks Vic Rek Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB 4389 Re: Desert Island Disks Rakinik Intertype (DJS) Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB 4401 Re: Desert Island Disks Grant Middleton Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB 4402 Re: Desert Island Disks gary.cresswell1@v... Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB 4410 Re: Desert Island Disks Vic Rek Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB 4425 Re: Desert Island Disks Sean Montgomery Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: BABYLON 5 vs. BABYLON 5, VOL. 2 Really-From: Steven Feldman I thought I'd clarify why I rate BABYLON 5 with KLEMANIA but rate BABYLON 5, VOL. 2 near the bottom of the barrel: the first soundtrack CD features lots of neato e-music effects and near-techno moments, whereas the second soundtrack CD is nearly all of the orchestral nature that made all of UNIVERSAL SOLDIER and most of NEW MUSIC FOR FILMS, VOL. 1 such a bore (and no, I don't have RAVEN, NIGHT OF THE RUNNING MAN, TENCHI MUYO, nore PERRY RHODAN: PAX TERRA, thank you very much!). Any more questions why BABYLON 5, VOL. 2 sucks? ;) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4376 Re: BABYLON 5 vs. BABYLON 5, VOL. 2 Rakinik Intertype (DJS) Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB 4380 Re: BABYLON 5 vs. BABYLON 5, VOL. 2 Dennis Nigbur Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 9:42 pm Subject: Re: Cyclone Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-29 16:32:51 EDT, you write: >Pergamon 2CD*,Logos 2CD* >*albums not officially released and not presently available (although I hear >people are working on making these happen!) Don't ask me for them! Oh great!!!! That's right, keep us in the dark a little more. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 9:48 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Disks Really-From: stephan bischoff >> If you were stranded on a desert island and could only have 10 TD albums, >> what would they be? Optical Race Underwater Sunlight Force Majeure Tangram Logos Poland Encore White Eagle Pergamon Flashpoint But to be serious - I would rather die than take only ten with me. :-) Stephan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 29, 1997 9:52 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Disks Really-From: 'K.E' tadream mailing list wrote: > > If you were stranded on a desert island and could only have 10 TD > albums, what would they be? I would like to take; Zeit Ricochet Stratosfear Tangram Cyclone Encore Exit Pergamon Underwater Sunlight Dream Mixes 2CD And I hope there will be a CD player on this desert island... Kent From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 12:59 am Subject: Re: BABYLON 5 vs. BABYLON 5, VOL. 2 Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > I thought I'd clarify why I rate BABYLON 5 with KLEMANIA but rate > BABYLON 5, VOL. 2 near the bottom of the barrel: the first soundtrack CD > features lots of neato e-music effects and near-techno moments, whereas > the second soundtrack CD is nearly all of the orchestral nature that > made all of UNIVERSAL SOLDIER and most of NEW MUSIC FOR FILMS, VOL. 1 > such a bore (and no, I don't have RAVEN, NIGHT OF THE RUNNING MAN, > TENCHI MUYO, nore PERRY RHODAN: PAX TERRA, thank you very much!). Any > more questions why BABYLON 5, VOL. 2 sucks? ;) > > -- Steven Feldman and > I think you are making a mistake with Night of the Running Man and the B5 scores. I have all of Chris' cds and while I agree that U. soldier and music for films are quite boring (even as far as orchestral goes) I think that both B5 cds should be viewed as one. It just happens to be that the best music is on the first cd. Night of the Running Man is some of the best non-TD Franke I've heard so far (very much in the B5 vein but better in my opinion)....but ignorance is bliss. If you haven't heard it...you might be missing out. I also highly recommend The London Concert and Klemania. See? As with almost all composers it's a hit and miss thing. VERY few composers can be consistantly amazing. I know of only one....and that would be Mark Shreeve. regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 1:08 am Subject: Re: Desert Island Disks Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: stephan bischoff > > >> If you were stranded on a desert island and could only have 10 TD albums, > >> what would they be? > ewwww..ok I'll play.....how easy: Thief (scouting for Lost World dinosaurs at night music) Poland (I'm being chased by giant sand crab music) Hyperborea (calm night music) Le Parc (sex music...er...if I have a babe there with me of course) Logos (because The Keep isn't released officially) Underwater Sunlight (for beach music) Near Dark (for roasting animals over the fire music) Flashpoint (for driving my jeep on the beach...er....I do get a jeep right?) Heartbreakers (because one sex music cd isn't enough heh heh) and finally: White Eagle (for the helicopter is coming to rescue me music) there ya have it...I personally would sans all my TD for Shreeve...but then it would be a different question heh, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 6:20 am Subject: Re: Desert Island Disks Really-From: Dennis Nigbur My choice would be Alpha Centauri Rubycon Ricochet Sorcerer Stratosfear Encore Tangram Logos Live Miles Goblin's Club. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 1:29 am Subject: HERESY: Why all the love for Shreeve? Really-From: Gabe Yedid I don't know what's not screwed on right in my head but I have just never been able to fathom the admiration for the music of Mark Shreeve that exists on the list. His music has always struck me as being just so incredibly cheesy and dated-sounding, but then again, I only have _Legion_ and _Crash Head_. (_Nocturne_ is totally unavailable around here.) I simply don't enjoy them and I wouldn't say there's anything remarkable at all about these albums. Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4382 Re: HERESY: Why all the love for Shreeve? Rakinik Intertype (DJS) Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB 4383 Re: HERESY: Why all the love for Shreeve? David Datta Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB 4391 Re: HERESY: Why all the love for Shreeve? Rakinik Intertype (DJS) Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 6:27 am Subject: Re: BABYLON 5 vs. BABYLON 5, VOL. 2 Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Thu, 29 May 1997 17:59:26 -0700 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' >I think >that both B5 cds should be viewed as one. It just happens to be that the >best music is on the first cd. Even there, I wouldn't necessarily agree. It is true that the impression of the second CD is spoilt because the filled-in season titles make it appear very disjointed. Hence I'd like to take your recommendation even further by suggesting to regard the two CDs as a single entity, _skipping_ the titles and regarding them as 'Single Edits' or the like. In this way, the whole thing becomes much more coherent, and the excellent music contained on the second CD can be appreciated in all its dynamic beauty - without the disturbing title tracks, which necessarily (as titles) are merely short melodic fragments played at maximum volume... Personally, I like 'Z'Ha'Dum' and 'Voices of Authority' in particular. Dennis. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 2:35 am Subject: Re: Desert Island Disks Really-From: Vic Rek And mine would be: Phaedra Rubycon Ricochet Sorcerer Encore Exit Tangram Hyberborea Logos Poland See a pattern here? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 2:45 am Subject: Re: HERESY: Why all the love for Shreeve? Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > I don't know what's not screwed on right in my head but I have just never > been able to fathom the admiration for the music of Mark Shreeve that > exists on the list. His music has always struck me as being just so > incredibly cheesy and dated-sounding, but then again, I only have _Legion_ and > _Crash Head_. (_Nocturne_ is totally unavailable around here.) I simply don't > enjoy them and I wouldn't say there's anything remarkable at all about these > albums. > > Gabe Actually I consider his music to be quite superior to TD's for two very simple reasons. 1. He uses ROCK percussion, thick analog voices and rockin guitars verses TD's flat electronic drums and fm synth voices (can we say...EDGAR! ENOUGH WITH THE FM GUITAR VOICE FROM TREASURE OF INNOCENCE!). Quite simply, as many have stated before, he is a wall of sound. 2. His music carries structured melody whereas TD's melody often wanders aimlessy (I am pretty much referring to the current TD but also including some past as well). Don't get me wrong. I like a lot of TD. But consistency is the key...and Mark has delivered with every release where TD has made me throw up and cry with some of their bad music (try Goblin's Club...yuk!). If you haven't heard the library disks you are missing out but if you don't like Legion or Crash Head (his two best I feel) then you won't like anything he's done probably. Shreeve is very aggressive music and if it's softer new age, repetitive boring sequences or droning sonic wall paper you want...definately stay away from Shreeve. regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 3:06 am Subject: Re: HERESY: Why all the love for Shreeve? Really-From: David Datta In article <5mlfla$3mv$1@n...> you wrote: : Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' : Shreeve is very aggressive music and if it's softer : new age, repetitive boring sequences or droning sonic wall paper you : want...definately stay away from Shreeve. This probably should read: definately stay away from Shreeve's output after Thoughts of War. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 3:18 am Subject: Klemania Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi All. Back in the dim past (late last year) I remember some discussion of 'Klemania.' I would look in the archives if they were available, but they're not. Can anyone update my knowledge. Seems to me that there were two, separate and different versions of this album by C.Franke. One is the commercial release we are all familiar with -- picture of Chris in front of a big rack of equipment I think -- or maybe two pictures, one of Chris and one of equipment -- in a sort of space-age room (his studio?). The other was ... well, you tell me please. Thanks -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4392 Re: Klemania Rakinik Intertype (DJS) Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB 4396 Re: Klemania Mark Filipak Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB 4397 Re: Klemania Marcel Engels Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB 4400 Re: Klemania Mark Filipak Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB 4405 Re: Klemania Marcel Engels Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB 4409 Re: Klemania Vic Rek Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB 4413 Re: Klemania Mark Filipak Fri 5/30/1997 4 KB 4415 Re: Klemania Mark Filipak Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB 4433 Re: Klemania Rakinik Intertype (DJS) Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 4:09 am Subject: Re: Predictable Music (JMJ, CF) Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-28 11:47:12 EDT, you write: << I cull out the weak ones, but I'd never thought much about what made an album 'weak' to me. Well, I guess it's predictability. JMJ became predictable. CF _is_ predictable. Michael Garrison is predictable. I've stopped buying all of them and/or recycled them all. >> Weakness and predictability are not synonimous. Anyone familiar with the music of Mozart, Stravinsky, Bach, Rachmaninoff, Couperin, Thelonious Monk, Haydn, Gershwin, Scott Joplin, etc. can usually identify other works of the same composer, just from hearing a phrase or two of a piece that they have never heard before. This doesn't mean it is weak. Likewise, just because you can hum along with a Beethoven or Mahler Symphony doesn't mean _it_ is weak. Sure, much of CF's London Concert is repeat stuff. It is redone and performed to the maximum capability of the equipment and the artists in a live arena. Klemania is a compilation of some fan recordings, so we can't really expect fresh new never before heard, stretched out jams here, now can we? 'Celestine Prophecy' _is_ brilliant! Even the pop vocals exceptionally well done provided you don't examine the wordage too closely. The Babylon recordings are masterpieces of composition as well. These three recordings and the live London concert are prime examples of Franke's expertese. They contain more of a concentration of his compositional capabilities than you can find available from any other single artist on four discs. Is it any wonder that the most frequently favored period of Tangerine Dream work is in the same time frame when Chris Franke was a member? Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 4:08 am Subject: Re: Voltaire Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-28 19:21:40 EDT, you write: << Sorry to disappoint you, Phil, but most of the people I've enountered in my travels that I've had an opportunity to utter those two magic words to have NOT heard of them, incluing people who work in record stores! I can understand the general population never hearing of them, but I think it's unforgiveable to work in a record store and never hear of them. Personally, I kinda like it that way. 'The Beatles? Wasn't that Paul McCartney's backup band?' Scott >> Sigh! I suppose you're right. We live in an extremely specialized world. Not a day goes by that I don't learn about something that is common knowledge to someone else. The greater percentage of _my_ life has been interwoven with the history of Tangerine Dream and related artists. It is difficult to imagine my vision of the world without them. Consequently, it is amazing that anyone else can have a reason to be alive without that occasional TD fix. How empty their lives must be!! Phil Naunton Now Playing - Macula Transfer (Odd little number, this is.) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 4:24 am Subject: Re: SOLO Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) I believe that Edgar's last solo effort of original material (non remixed, non soundtrack) was Pinnacles back in 1983. I bought this when it came out. I loved it then, I still love it now. This is probably my favorite EF solo. I was so impressed with it at the time I was looking forward to his next solo album with more anticipation than TD's next group album. Larry >What was Edgar's last solo effort that contained new, original >material? >I wonder if the reason Ed hasn't done any solo stuff in a while is >because TD is totally his band now, and he has complete control >without >compromising with other artists. > >I agree, though, a Jerome solo would be interesting. > >Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 4:35 am Subject: Re: SOLO Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) I believe EF's last solo effort (studio, not remixed or soundtrack) of original music was Pinnacles back in 1983. I loved it back then and I still love it now. Probably my favorite EF. I was so impressed with it at the time that I was looking forward to EF's next solo album with more anticipation than TD's next group album. Larry >What was Edgar's last solo effort that contained new, original >material? >I wonder if the reason Ed hasn't done any solo stuff in a while is >because TD is totally his band now, and he has complete control >without >compromising with other artists. > >I agree, though, a Jerome solo would be interesting. > >Scott > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 5:39 am Subject: Re: Desert Island Disks Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Vic Rek > > And mine would be: > > Phaedra > Rubycon > Ricochet > Sorcerer > Encore > Exit > Tangram > Hyberborea > Logos > Poland > > See a pattern here? > Vic Hey Vicman...you forgot the Brick! How could you have forgotten the Brick! Heh heh. DJS From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 5:31 am Subject: Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) >> Long Post << Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: feldon@n... > > >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > >I can certainly appreciate what you're saying about > >predictability. You didn't say (but perhaps implied) that > >TD are unpredictable, and that perhaps goes back to my > >posting earlier today about their sudden changes in > >direction between albums. This is also evident in some > >albums within tracks themselves. > > > >For a while TD did become predictable (I'm listening to > >Zoning right now, which must be a candidate), but perhaps > >with Dream Mixes, Goblin's Club and Oasis, that has changed > >slightly. > > I believe the word you're grasping for in description of recent albums > is 'lost!' All respect to you Morgan, but 'lost' is very subjective. That's okay, but when I started this thread about predictability it seemed to me that I had caught on to something. Some people like a certain amount of predictability in their music and some don't. Sometimes predictability is a plus for certain moods, sometimes it's an irritation. Likewise, unpredictability can be a plus for certain other moods, and an irritation at other times. Some of TD's output is predictable but the vast majority of it is not, IMHO. There is two sides to predictabililty of course. One sort of predictability comes with familiarity. For example, Frank Zappa's music was never predictable to people who were not familiar with it but to an FZ fan, it had a bizarre predictability. Likewise, Paul's keyboard treatments were predictable only to someone who was very familiar with the band and with Paul. I'd like to call this type of predictability, 'familiarity.' Seems rather obvious, but I just want to distinguish this type of predictability from what comes next. The other type of predictability is what I will call 'genre-predictability.' This is the 'new age' sound, or the 'trite' sound that to me, characterizes Chris' solo work, and Linda's sax, and most of Jerome's drumming. Let me give some specific examples. I have Johannes' latest album, 'Songs No Words.' It's totally predictable, but it has no genre associated with it and I find it to be refreshing (and fresh) music. Chris' 'Pacific Coast Highway' on the other hand, has new-age-predictability that I find boring. Yanni has this same sort of genre-predictability, and so does an awful lot of later JMJ. To many people, this genre-predictability is _why_ they buy it. I think we can all agree that all this music is 'good' music from a technical standpoint. But the reason I don't like it is a personal thing. I don't think Yanni or John Tesh is 'bad,' just that they have a certain genre-predictability I find annoying or boring. I just finished a couple of tapes for Grant. One is a sampling of Loop Guru, and the other, Banco de Gaia. Genre: ethno-techno. Genre-predictability: not yet -- either the genre is too new or I haven't been exposed to it long enough to find it predictable (read: familiar), but the progression of sounds and melodies are, to me, entirely new and novel. On the other hand, Larry Smith recently sent me a tape of some of Michael Garrison's latter output. I found a lot of it to be .... (ready for this?) 'rock-n-roll turnaround' or variations of basic rock-n-roll themes. Genre-predictability: very high. Does this make Michael Garrison's work 'bad?' No. Does it make it boring? To me, yes. I think genre-predictability can be a value-neutral description of the style of a piece of music. If you can readily identify the genre of a piece of music, then the odds are that it has genre-predictability. Now here's where to two types of predictability come together. In the context of music marketing, genre-predictability can translate to instant familiarity. Instant familiarity _means_ popularity within a well established genre, like 'new age.' And of course, we all know what popularity means in the music business -- $$$$. And finally, there are the artists that have the talent or awareness or independence or whatever, to use the hallmark sounds of a particular genre in new and novel ways -- the boarderline genre musicians. This music has enough genre-predictability to be recognizable and marketable to a specific audience, but with novel treatments that set it apart form 'the rest.' This is precisely where I think TD is. Sometimes an album will use too much genre-specific sounds leading some on this list to reject it. That's okay and is merely a statement of preference, just as I have made such statements about Chris Franke. In TD's case, and in Chris' case, we're dealing with the pioneers of much of the genre-predictable sound that gets overused sometimes, IMHO, so the picture gets somewhat muddied. To Edgar and Chris, their music is just their music. I'm sure they don't think of it as _any_ particular genre. In fact, I think Edgar wisely rejects genrefication. Now here's where the rubber hits the road. Does John Tesh _try_ to achieve a certain sound he thinks will be popular? IMHO, yes. Does Michael Garrison _try_ to use familiar rock-n-roll themes to lend his music a certain 'legitimacy' in the ear of the general public? IMHO, yes. Does Edgar 'use' new-agey sounds in an attempt to 'be popular?' This is very hard to judge as many of those sounds are just his sounds and have been attached to a genre that he helped to create. And now the big question: does Chris 'use' new-agey sounds in an attempt to 'be popular?' In my opinion, yes. Case in point: 'Enchanting Nature.' I'm sure that in our personal lives we've all known people who _try_ to be popular. Usually this leads to disrespect -- the feeling that this person is not being 'genuine.' (Is everyone still with me?) I think this is closely related to some people's feelings about Edgar and Chris. I have tended to reserve judgement about Chris precisely because he was the originator of many of what have become genre-predictable musical treatments. so I try to resist ascribing something like 'Enchanting Nature' to a lack of integrity or a desire to be merely popular (and rich?). If this is hard to pin down for Chris, it's even harder to pin down for Edgar -- at least in my mind. Sure there's 'Rockoon' and sure there's 'Dream Mixes,' but these albums are, to my ears, treatments around the boarders of genres -- TD variations on themes. Contrast these albums with David Bowie's latest (the name of which I can't recall). To me, Bowie's latest album is a totally transparent attempt to hijack techno. But to a lot of 'the public,' adding Bowie's voice to techno-predictable sounds gives the whole enterprise 'familiarity' and means that techno 'has arrived.' To me, it means Bowie wants to make more money as I don't hear any new expression of art coming from him -- he's not adding anything that I can hear coming from his heart. Do I have less respect for DB because of it? To be honest, yes. Have I heard the same sort of bandwagon jumpping sounds from Edgar? To be honest, no. And Chris? Sorry to say that in my opinion, yes. Though I've heard an awful lot of new-age-predictable tunes on Chris' albums, I'm still really trying to be open minded about him and I still have a lot of respect for him. I've been told that 'B5' and 'B5-VfE' are really true and unique expressions of Chris' talents and creativity. I don't watch television and have never seen Babylon 5, so I don't have any experience with this music. But if anyone would like to make a sampler trade tape for me, I'm sure I can make a tape that will have some new and unique stuff to exchange for it. Sorry to be so long winded about this post, but I couldn't figure out any other way to get my ideas across. 'Familiarity' and 'genre-predictability' are not unique ideas, but I think they may be useful in describing both the similarities and the differences between albums and styles in a non-judgemental way. I wonder if any others on this list think of music in these terms? Regards to All -- Mark PS: In re-reading this, it occurs to me that some pioneering artists have, in a sense, overstayed their welcome -- they've nearly single-handedly defined a genre (or sub-genre) and then drove it into the ground without further evolution. This is where JMJ is to me, but I have to confess that I stopped buying JMJ sometime after either 'Zoolook' or the album with all the spotlights on it (can't remember the name -- a live album perhaps?). The same expresses my opinions of Mike Oldfield and Vangelis. Have they done this to 'cash in' on their popularity? I'm saddened to say that IMHO, yes. It seems to me that no matter what can and is said about Edgar, he's definitely not guilty of 'overstaying his welcome' and if anything, has changed too much for some peoples' tastes -- but this is his version of consistency, a consistency I understand and appreciate. I know that in the past my camparisons of Edgar and Klaus have left some people scratching their heads. Klaus is less consistent to me because he will go in a straight line for a while and then jump discontinuously to something totally different -- opera, for instance. Edgar zig-zags around but has never been discontinuous, IMHO. But I understand both Edgar and Klaus, I think that both have very high integrity, and I enjoy them both immensely. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4398 Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) >> Lon Greg Heil Fri 5/30/1997 4 KB 4407 Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) >> Lon Dennis Nigbur Fri 5/30/1997 7 KB 4440 Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) >> Lon Mark Filipak Sat 5/31/1997 10 KB 4738 Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) >> Lon PNaunton@a... Sat 6/7/1997 4 KB 4749 Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) >> Lon Mark Filipak Sat 6/7/1997 5 KB 4754 Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) >> Lon Greg Heil Sat 6/7/1997 2 KB 4783 Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) >> Lon PNaunton@a... Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 5:52 am Subject: Re: HERESY: Why all the love for Shreeve? Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: David Datta > > In article <5mlfla$3mv$1@n...> you wrote: > : Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' > > : Shreeve is very aggressive music and if it's softer > : new age, repetitive boring sequences or droning sonic wall paper you > : want...definately stay away from Shreeve. > > This probably should read: > > definately stay away from Shreeve's output after Thoughts of War. Thoughts of War was obviously more experimental (and one of his first albums). If you'll note that after Thoughts, he moved forward profoundly, unlike some other musicians (cough cough Klaus!!) who find a safe form of music and stay there, even to this day. Granted Mark's Red Shift is a remake of this classic style, but with updated voices and thicker analog sound (which the others can't seem to handle). It sounds like Rubycon or Phaedra 1997. It's different. If you like Rubycon...you'll love Shreeve before Assassin. If you like F/F/S T. Dream, Andy Pickford, or Jarre then you'll love Shreeve after Thoughts Of War. Personally, I find TOW interesting..but dull in comparison to his later releases. I like the Shreeve I can blast through my car stereo and overpower the guy next to me in the VW blasting Alanis Morissette....er...heh..or Spice Girls. Nothing TD has ever produced has even come close to the power of the Shreevester. DJS From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 5:54 am Subject: Re: Klemania Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > Hi All. Back in the dim past (late last year) I remember some > discussion of 'Klemania.' I would look in the archives if they were > available, but they're not. > > Can anyone update my knowledge. Seems to me that there were two, > separate and different versions of this album by C.Franke. One is the > commercial release we are all familiar with -- picture of Chris in front > of a big rack of equipment I think -- or maybe two pictures, one of > Chris and one of equipment -- in a sort of space-age room (his > studio?). The other was ... well, you tell me please. > > Thanks -- Mark There are two versions of this. I have a different version than a friend of mine. Mine I got originally from Eurock when it was ONLY offered through the mail. This version is mixed differently than the one that Sonic Images released months later. Go figure. The inserts are the same...but I'll examine my friends disk more closely when I get the chance to make sure. regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 5:57 am Subject: ERROR: Beyond The Storms Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' Does anyone know why in the BTS booklet Edgar states that he didn't use songs from Kamikaze 1989 when in fact he used two on the cd!? Hmm...anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? DJS From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 5:51 am Subject: Re: SOLO Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) > > I believe EF's last solo effort (studio, not remixed or soundtrack) of > original music was Pinnacles back in 1983. I loved it back then and I > still love it now. Probably my favorite EF. I was so impressed with it > at the time that I was looking forward to EF's next solo album with > more anticipation than TD's next group album. Why disqualify the soundtracks, Larry? 'Zoning' is solo, and it's original music, and it's from 96 (or at least it claims to be from 96). -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 5:58 am Subject: Re: Predictable Music (JMJ, CF) Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-05-28 11:47:12 EDT, you write: > > << I cull out the weak ones, but I'd never thought much about what > made an album 'weak' to me. Well, I guess it's predictability. JMJ > became predictable. CF _is_ predictable. Michael Garrison is > predictable. I've stopped buying all of them and/or recycled them all. > >> > > Weakness and predictability are not synonimous. To me they are. Predictability is the quality that makes them weak in my mind. But this is purely my personal reaction as I don't like predictable music. But I think that rather than call them 'weak' -- a matter of taste -- I'd rather call them 'predictable' -- something I think we can all agree on -- and leave the value judgements up to each individual person. If you don't like the word 'predictable,' then try 'familiar' as in this context, I think they are synonimous. Hope this clarifies my values in your mind. Regards to All -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 6:06 am Subject: Re: Klemania Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > Hi All. Back in the dim past (late last year) I remember some > > discussion of 'Klemania.' I would look in the archives if they were > > available, but they're not. > > > > Can anyone update my knowledge. Seems to me that there were two, > > separate and different versions of this album by C.Franke. One is > > the commercial release we are all familiar with -- picture of Chris > > in front of a big rack of equipment I think -- or maybe two pictures, > > one of Chris and one of equipment -- in a sort of space-age room > > (his studio?). The other was ... well, you tell me please. > > There are two versions of this. I have a different version than a > friend of mine. Mine I got originally from Eurock when it was ONLY > offered through the mail. This version is mixed differently than the > one that Sonic Images released months later. Go figure. The inserts > are the same...but I'll examine my friends disk more closely when I > get the chance to make sure. Thanks Dano. Hmmm.... maybe there are three versions. Specifically, the version I'm thinking of buying is a numbered, limited edition with very shabby artwork -- not the same insert at all. Any help from anyone will be appreciated. Regards -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 7:06 am Subject: Re: Klemania Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > Hi All. Back in the dim past (late last year) I remember some > discussion of 'Klemania.' I would look in the archives if they were > available, but they're not. > > Can anyone update my knowledge. Seems to me that there were two, > separate and different versions of this album by C.Franke. One is the > commercial release we are all familiar with -- picture of Chris in front > of a big rack of equipment I think -- or maybe two pictures, one of > Chris and one of equipment -- in a sort of space-age room (his > studio?). The other was ... well, you tell me please. > > Thanks -- Mark To make things more complicated. I bought my version at The Klem-festival with an insert saying Promotional Edition, Number 202 and an autograph from Chris at the front. At the normal front-layout the letter A is in red, with the special insert this A is enlarged and pink and Klemania is written in a sort of japanese style. Marcel Music-page : http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email : fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 7:21 am Subject: Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) >> Long Post << Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Sorry to be so long winded about this post, but I couldn't figure out > any other way to get my ideas across. 'Familiarity' and > 'genre-predictability' are not unique ideas, but I think they may be > useful in describing both the similarities and the differences between > albums and styles in a non-judgemental way. I wonder if any others on > this list think of music in these terms? > Regards to All -- Mark I believe that I can apply predictability more to the visual arts than to music. But in a sense, I truly believe the unpredictability comes in the idea or Surrealism. Yes, I know that sounds strange, but I do believe that when you combine many elements that don't fit together into a composition that seeminly fits, it's based upon surrealism. Some poeple might disagree with me, but as we all know Edgar's influence from Salvador Dali who said: 'Anything's possible.' which Edgar took on to his musical career. Certainally, the idea is not as present in current albums, but any good artist will explore outwards, and an especially good artist will not stick with what's popular or made him/her popular. In using the ever so popular Tangram as an example, I notice off the bat that Edgar and Co. have masterfully taken sounds that do not fit together and made them work wonderfully! It's all about transitions between sections and never really a central theme to hold the artist down. Goblin's Club can be accused of this, but it's my personal opinion that this was done to give possible direction to the almost limitless possibilites of digital musical devices. I also believe that is why TD has stuck to many familiar sounds as Jerome's drumming and Linda's sax are. Now.. 'Anything's possible' as far as music goes--I'm waiting for TD to prove this in today's age. Talk about unpredicability! Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 8:12 am Subject: Predictable Music Really-From: Mark Filipak I know that most of you have gotten my point, but I'd like to pursue this 'predictability' thing just a little bit further and possibly clarify it more. I'm old enough to remember when the Beatles and the Rolling Stones were dueling it out for the hearts and minds of America. After 1969, The Rolling Stones became like a public utility -- want The Rolling Stones? Turn on a radio, to almost any station, and (presto!): The Rolling Stones. More so than Pink Floyd, more so than Led Zeppelin, more so than Roxy Music, the music industry was built around The Rolling Stones. Before 1969, The Beatles were in an even stronger position. I can remember the time when The Beatles had seven or eight singles in the top ten at the same time -- they litterally 'owned' the radio. But I never bought a Rolling Stones album or single while I bought everything from the Beatles starting with 'Rubber Soul.' Why the difference? Predicability. The Stones' songs, most of which I dearly loved, were interchangable to me. But The Beatles, especailly starting with 'Rubber Soul,' continuously worked along the boarders of what I was comfortable with -- what was 'familiar' -- and what I found challenging and 'unfamiliar.' Some might say that The Stones failed to grow. Others might say that The Stones fully developed their particular style of rhythm and blues. I see those two positions as two sides of the same coin -- sort of a zen viewpoint I guess. Perhaps in my old age I'll buy a 'Best of' The Rolling Stones to reminisce to, but I doubt it. It's just not my nature to be comfortable. So there's TD with Chris Franke, TD without Chris Franke, and Chris Franke without TD -- three sides of the same coin to me. I happen to prefer TD with Chris Franke. But that was then, and IMHO, TD didn't turn to jello after Chris left. That I have liked (in the context of predictability / unpredictability) what TD-sans-CF has done more than what CF-sans-TD has done is just my personal reaction. I guess it's based almost solely on predictability. I can certainly understand why someone would see it the other way around. I've never done so much navel gazing about music before. I just hope that the list can relate to what I've been writing. Peace and Brotherhood -- Mark ('I can't get no .... sa-tis-fac-tion!' Ho, Mick! Take me there! 'I can't get no .... girl re-ac-tion!' -- Yeah, sure Mick. ;-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 8:24 am Subject: Re: Klemania Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > [about various versions of 'Klemania'] > > To make things more complicated. > I bought my version at The Klem-festival with an insert > saying Promotional Edition, Number 202 and an autograph > from Chris at the front. > At the normal front-layout the letter A is in red, with the > special insert this A is enlarged and pink and Klemania is > written in a sort of japanese style. Thanks Marcel. This is most likely the version I have a chance to buy. Can you tell me anything about it? -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 9:01 am Subject: Re: Desert Island Disks Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > If you were stranded on a desert island and could only have 10 TD albums, > > what would they be? In descending order of preference :- Rubycon Phaedra Encore Force Majeure Coefficient of Aural Expansion Logos Tangram Thief Cyclone Zeit Now, if I had to choose 10 albums from ALL artists :- (in no particular order) Rubycon TD Phaedra TD Encore TD Autobahn Kraftwerk Timewind Klaus Schulze Mirage Klaus Schulze Oxygene Jean Michel Jarre Discreet Music Brian Eno Dark Side of the Moon Pink Floyd Songs of Distant Earth Mike Oldfield -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 5:40 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Disks Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > If you were stranded on a desert island and could only have 10 TD albums, > > what would they be? > > In Chronological Order: > Rubycon Ricochet Tangram Exit Thief Logos Poland Firestarter Lilly on the beach Dream Mixes I reserve the right to change my mind too However Dream Mixes Logos and Tangram will always be there Gaza From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 9:49 am Subject: Trouble Finding Force Majeure Really-From: 'Greg Heil' I went to special order this CD through Hastings--my local music store, and the only one in this small town. Well, they couldn't get this CD for me.. I went to http://www.massmusic.com and of all the TD albums they had, this one was not listed. (by the way, they have RealAudio of many, many TD tracks of each album, even the compilations) Although the links didn't work yet. Anyway, I hope to find this disc soon! P.S. On Desert Island Disks.. it should be Discs :) No prob! I just realized how to spell it myself. Greg... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4408 Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure TangerineC@a... Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB 4434 Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure dbrewer@a... Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB 4414 Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure Mark Filipak Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB 4437 Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure Greg Heil Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB 4448 Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure Michael Trinastic Sat 5/31/1997 3 KB 4452 Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure Greg Heil Sun 6/1/1997 2 KB 4463 Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure TangerineC@a... Sun 6/1/1997 2 KB 4472 Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure jeffrey@i... Mon 6/2/1997 3 KB 4494 Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure feldon@n... Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 10:11 am Subject: rumpelstilskin Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) Hi, somebody mailed me refering TDs 'Rumpelstilkin' CD. By accident I lost the mail. Could the author please send again? thanks armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 10:31 am Subject: Re: Klemania Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > > > [about various versions of 'Klemania'] > > > > To make things more complicated. > > I bought my version at The Klem-festival with an insert > > saying Promotional Edition, Number 202 and an autograph > > from Chris at the front. > > At the normal front-layout the letter A is in red, with the > > special insert this A is enlarged and pink and Klemania is > > written in a sort of japanese style. > > Thanks Marcel. This is most likely the version I have a chance to buy. > Can you tell me anything about it? -- Mark Sure, although I haven't got/heard the other versions, so I can't compare them with those. Track 1: Scattered thoughts of a Canyon Flight 22:05 Track 2: Inside the Morphing Space 20:07 Track 3: Silent Waves 4:10 The first track begins like The London Concert, but then becomes a techno-like song with some interesting sequencer-lines. After that a quiet piece followed by a good sequencer-line Track 2 begins very good with great sequencer-parts, very much in the TD-tradition but after that there are really, really! 2 BAD parts which sounds wwaaayy too commercial and a bad one too. It's really a shame because it could have been a great track. In track 3 there isn't much happening. Just a few bad seq.parts You always see Chris in front of a modular synth, but I'm wondering if he ever used one on his latest releases. Marcel Music-page : http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email : fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 6:50 pm Subject: Re : Desert Island Discs Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Okay, my votes would be for : Alpha Centauri Phaedra Force Majeure Thief White Eagle Logos Poland Underwater Sunlight Tyger Goblin's Club Hmmm. Quite a gap there, between Tyger and GC! --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4449 Re: Desert Island Discs ajogon@m... Sun 6/1/1997 2 KB 4462 Re: Desert Island Discs GrafZeigen@a... Sun 6/1/1997 3 KB 4484 Desert Island Discs Craig R. J. Cordrey Mon 6/2/1997 3 KB 4692 Re: Desert Island Discs Mark Jones Fri 6/6/1997 2 KB 4497 Re: Desert Island Discs Mark Filipak Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB 4501 Re: Desert Island Discs Mark Filipak Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB 4502 Re: Desert Island Discs Craig R. J. Cordrey Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB 4512 Re: Desert Island Discs Rakinik Intertype Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB 4521 Re: Desert Island Discs Martin Fellis Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 4:52 pm Subject: Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) >> Long Post << Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Thu, 29 May 1997 22:31:06 -0700 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak >Sorry to be so long winded about this post, but I couldn't figure out >any other way to get my ideas across. 'Familiarity' and >'genre-predictability' are not unique ideas, but I think they may be >useful in describing both the similarities and the differences between >albums and styles in a non-judgemental way. I wonder if any others on >this list think of music in these terms? I think that a different distinction is in order, and I'll try to explain why. >All respect to you Morgan, but 'lost' is very subjective. It's certainly a subjective judgement. But taking into account your own explanations of familiarity and predictability, isn't that very concept subjective (and therefore, _not_ non-judgemental at all)? After all, to be able to perceive composers and even genres as predictable, you have to be exposed to them for long enough to know them and be familiar with them - to other people who haven't had that exposition, the music will be completely unpredictable. >The other type of predictability is what I will call >'genre-predictability.' This is the 'new age' sound, or the 'trite' >sound that to me, characterizes Chris' solo work, and Linda's sax, and >most of Jerome's drumming. This is where I think the 'genre-predictability' argument doesn't work. We can discuss at length in a separate thread to what extent New Age is trite, and Chris's work is trite, and Chris's work is New Age, but that's a slightly different topic. However, with Linda's sax and Jerome's drumming, genre-predictability cannot be a criterion, as they are not confined to a given genre or even a given song. They could imaginably be displaced into a different musical context, and even an entirely different genre. And the very fact that they _have_ been displaced into all sorts of contexts on some of the 1990s TD albums and have been used over and over again, makes them musically predictable, but certainly not genre-predictable. >Likewise, Paul's keyboard >treatments were predictable only to someone who was very familiar with >the band and with Paul. This is where a basic problem about how we understand the music of TD comes in. On the one hand, despite various efforts to attract a broader scope of people, they should know very well that the people who buy their music are their fans. In other words, someone buying a new TD album is quite likely to also have the last one and the one before that, and the one before that... On the one hand, then, their music should, ideally, be _unpredictable_ as that is precisely the quality that seems to attract most people to TD, the quality that they like to emphasise themselves (see Exit sleeve notes), and the quality that distinguishes them from any other group. On the other hand, without a certain amount of predictability, nobody would bother to follow a group. If an album were totally unpredictive of its successor, who would take the risk of buying it? And after all, how could anyone say that he/she likes TDs music when 'TDs music' is just a hollow term due to the total absence of any kind of predictability. Therefore, I think that a more adequate distinction to make than the familiarity/genre prdictability one, is one between stylistic and musical predictability. Stylistic predictability is the reason why a given group or musical style can have followers at all. It is the set of attributes that constitutes a 'personality' or 'theory' that enables people to form their judgements and decide whether they like or dislike the music. Still, internally, there can be a lot of _musical_ unpredictability. I think that Free Jazz is a good example here. It is founded on an aspiration to be completely unpredictable in musical terms; but still, if the genre didn't have a certain distinguished stylistic character, we wouldn't be able to even talk about 'Free Jazz' at all. As unpredictable as it internally is, in comparison with other musical styles, we still know what to expect. This is in line with what was said on the list before about a number of classical composers. They were stylistically predictable in that Bach invariably sounds like Bach, and Mozart can instantly be recognised as Mozart. But in terms of individual musical structures, they were rather unpredictable >I'm sure that in our personal lives we've all known people who _try_ to >be popular. Usually this leads to disrespect -- the feeling that this >person is not being 'genuine.' I know that you used that word in a different context, but I think it sums up the point I made earlier. Would we still regard TD as _genuine_ if it were no longer recognisable as TD? Certainly not. In other words, we _want_ them to be stylistically predictable. Do we accept it when they get musically predictable (you mentioned Jerome's drums before; the notorious harpsichord sample is another example)? Most of us don't. Musical unpredictability, then, seems to be part of the style we all expect from TD, and hence, it is an element of the stylistic predictability that ought to constitute the 'ideal' TD. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 12:08 pm Subject: Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure Really-From: TangerineC@a... The reason Force Majeure is hard to find is because Griffin music, the label that put it out, is now defunct. Cyclone was another one of these titles that are now missing in action. Hopefully they will be re-released on a different label, but I dont know when. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4434 Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure dbrewer@a... Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 12:24 pm Subject: Re: Klemania Really-From: Vic Rek This is what I can come up with on Klemania: >> Really-From: Mark Filipak >> Can anyone update my knowledge. Seems to me that there were two, >> separate and different versions of this album by C.Franke. One is the >> commercial release we are all familiar with -- picture of Chris in front >> of a big rack of equipment I think -- or maybe two pictures, one of >> Chris and one of equipment -- in a sort of space-age room (his >> studio?). The other was ... well, you tell me please. -CHRIS FRANKE: KLEMANIA- 1st Release: US Sonic Images SICD 8110, 1st release original mix, 1993 2nd Release: (I think Marcel discussed the re-mix part) a. Germany Sonic Images SICD 8110, 2nd release with remix, KLEM pink promo insert #'d 488 (that's my #) & with autograph, 1993 b. Germany Sonic Images SICD 8110, 2nd release with remix, regular cover, 1993 I think both the above discs were made in Austria? 3rd Release: US Sonic Images SI 8504-2, 3rd release, with some extra photos in the booklet, 1995 This is not complete for all countries, but it basically summarizes the various releases. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 12:24 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Disks Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' >> Really-From: Vic Rek >> Phaedra >> Rubycon >> Ricochet >> Sorcerer >> Encore >> Exit >> Tangram >> Hyberborea >> Logos >> Poland >Hey Vicman...you forgot the Brick! How could you have forgotten the >Brick! Heh heh. Oh yes! Shhhhh. I was going to keep this one quiet. I was going to sneak this one in and pretend it was a paperweight for my Playboys on this breezy island. By the way, I have read a few disclaimers that people reserve the right to change their selections. Why do you state this? Do you think you may end up on an island soon and be held to this? Maybe! I'm keeping a log. And another thing, the Easter Island contest is long over... Hey, what about the track from the Easter Island contest? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4425 Re: Desert Island Disks Sean Montgomery Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: TD--and non-TD--for a Desert Island Really-From: Steven.Feldman, Soon To Be 40 Years Old If I had to choose 10 TD releases (as opposed to 10 TD *CDs*), they would be: o RUBYCON o TANGRAM o LE PARC o HEARTBREAKERS soundtrack o MELROSE o THE DREAM MIXES [UK version] o TANGENTS (great way to squeeze 4 more CDs into the list of 10 releases) + EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE (Edgar Froese solo album) + ROMANCE 76 (Peter Baumann solo album) + STUNTMAN (Edgar Froese solo album) And if I were to list 10 Desert Island selections in general, they would include: o WE'RE ONLY IN IT FOR THE MONEY by the Mothers of Invention (Zappa and friends doing studio magic including e-music on a 24 a track) '67 o LOADED by the Velvet Underground (1970) o LIVE AT THE PHILHARMONIC by Kris Kristofferson (1972) o GOODBYE YELLOW BRICK ROAD by Elton John (1973) o DIAMOND DOGS by David Bowie (1974) o RUBYCON by Tangerine Dream (1975) o EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE by Edgar Froese (1975) o ONCE UPON A TIME by Donna Summer (with our buddy Giorgio Moroder) 1977 o CLOSER by Joy Division (1979) o TEARS OF FIRE by Tammy Wynette (3-CD collection) 1994 Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4420 Re: TD--and non-TD--for a Desert Island Mark Filipak Fri 5/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 1:30 pm Subject: Early Water Really-From: Michael A Jean I was listening to my Hoenig/Gottsching disc the other day...I know someone else who would really like it...Anybody have a source for it, now that the label is apparently shut down? MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4668 Early Water Ken Alexander Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB 4672 Re: Early Water Capel Martyn Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 1:33 pm Subject: Re: Klemania Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > > > > > [about various versions of 'Klemania'] > > > > > > To make things more complicated. > > > I bought my version at The Klem-festival with an insert > > > saying Promotional Edition, Number 202 and an autograph > > > from Chris at the front. > > > At the normal front-layout the letter A is in red, with the > > > special insert this A is enlarged and pink and Klemania is > > > written in a sort of japanese style. > > > > Thanks Marcel. This is most likely the version I have a chance to > > buy. Can you tell me anything about it? -- Mark > > Sure, although I haven't got/heard the other versions, > so I can't compare them with those. > > Track 1: Scattered thoughts of a Canyon Flight 22:05 > Track 2: Inside the Morphing Space 20:07 > Track 3: Silent Waves 4:10 > > The first track begins like The London Concert, but then becomes a > techno-like song with some interesting sequencer-lines. > After that a quiet piece followed by a good sequencer-line > > Track 2 begins very good with great sequencer-parts, very much in > the TD-tradition but after that there are really, really! 2 BAD parts > which sounds wwaaayy too commercial and a bad one too. > It's really a shame because it could have been a great track. > > In track 3 there isn't much happening. Just a few bad seq.parts. Hmmm.... (now my head is starting to bleed) Can anyone who has the various versions comment? I'd heard that there was a version of 'Klemania' that was nothing like the commercial release, but what Marcel describes here does sound like the commercial release. Hellllllpppppp! -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 1:28 pm Subject: Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > I went to special order this CD through Hastings--my local > music store, and the only one in this small town. Well, they > couldn't get this CD for me.. I went to http://www.massmusic.com > and of all the TD albums they had, this one was not listed. > (by the way, they have RealAudio of many, many TD tracks > of each album, even the compilations) Although the links didn't > work yet. > Anyway, I hope to find this disc soon! > > P.S. On Desert Island Disks.. it should be Discs :) > > No prob! I just realized how to spell it myself. > > Greg... Hi Greg. The only version of 'Force Majeure' I've been able to find is the Cema/Griffin version, catalog # GCD-350-2. Cema is a division of Capitol Records so this shouldn't be too hard to find. I can buy it for you if you can't get it. Hope this helps, and cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 1:38 pm Subject: Re: Klemania Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Vic Rek > > This is what I can come up with on Klemania: > ... snip my babble ... > -CHRIS FRANKE: KLEMANIA- > 1st Release: > US Sonic Images SICD 8110, 1st release original mix, 1993 > 2nd Release: (I think Marcel discussed the re-mix part) > a. Germany Sonic Images SICD 8110, 2nd release with remix, > KLEM pink promo insert #'d 488 (that's my #) & with autograph, > 1993 > b. Germany Sonic Images SICD 8110, 2nd release with remix, > regular cover, 1993 > I think both the above discs were made in Austria? > 3rd Release: > US Sonic Images SI 8504-2, 3rd release, > with some extra photos in the booklet, 1995 > > This is not complete for all countries, but it basically summarizes the > various releases. Thanks Vic. So is that 1st release the one to get if I can find it? Also, can you summarize the music? Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 8:47 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Disks Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready) > If you were stranded on a desert island and could only have 10 TD albums, > what would they be? In no particular order: Ricochet Ricochet (an extra copy, just to be safe) Tangram Poland Dream Mixes Tangents (is this cheating?) Sorceror Green Desert Force Majeure Canyon Dreams Ask me tomorrow, the list will probably have at least 2 or 3 changes. -Steve sbm@p... Sacramento, CA From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 1:51 pm Subject: KLEMANIA Really-From: Michael A Jean I beleive there are three versions. The original The European Remaster (with a 1 track different from the original) The US re-release (with tracks 1 & 2 (esp 2) redone). THere may also be a CD single... No limited editions that I know of.... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 1:53 pm Subject: Dream Mixes 2 Really-From: Michael A Jean No, I wasn't referring to the 2-cd version, with Sojus (which I really liked alot)... I remember reading about it in VOYAGER a few issues ago... Can any other Voyager subscribers back me up on this??? Jason? MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7205 Dream Mixes 2 Michael A Jean Sat 9/20/1997 2 KB 8376 Dream Mixes 2 Gerry Fox Wed 11/5/1997 2 KB 8386 Re: Dream Mixes 2 Gabe Yedid Wed 11/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 1:59 pm Subject: Re: SOLO Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) I excluded Zoning because (without knowing for sure) I assumed Jerome was also involved since it is credited to TD. Also - and don't be offended all soundtrack lovers - in my VERY humble opinion, I have a hard time viewing soundtracks as legimate new music which is comparable to studio efforts. There are some TD soundtracks which are fairly good but on the whole I think they are of a lower quality than the studio or live releases. The music usually consists of many cuts of shorter length which I don't care for (I am one who likes the lengthy cuts of the early/mid period TD). I think more effort is made on the studio releases (whether it's TD, EF or CF). The soundtracks usually sound like they were thrown together quickly - ideas that are cut off after a couple of minutes instead of being allowed to pan out. Technically I am wrong, but as I said earlier I choose to only consider studio releases. Someone else can comment on post Pinnacles soundtracks. I just don't find the two comparable - again IMVHO. Larry >> Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) >> >> I believe EF's last solo effort (studio, not remixed or soundtrack) >of >> original music was Pinnacles back in 1983. I loved it back then and >I >> still love it now. Probably my favorite EF. I was so impressed with >it >> at the time that I was looking forward to EF's next solo album with >> more anticipation than TD's next group album. > >Why disqualify the soundtracks, Larry? 'Zoning' is solo, and it's >original music, and it's from 96 (or at least it claims to be from >96). > >-- Mark > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 1:50 pm Subject: Re: TD--and non-TD--for a Desert Island Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Steven.Feldman, Soon To Be 40 Years Old > ... > And if I were to list 10 Desert Island selections in general, they > would include: > > o WE'RE ONLY IN IT FOR THE MONEY by the Mothers of Invention (Zappa and > friends doing studio magic including e-music on a 24 a track) '67 > o LOADED by the Velvet Underground (1970) > o LIVE AT THE PHILHARMONIC by Kris Kristofferson (1972) > o GOODBYE YELLOW BRICK ROAD by Elton John (1973) > o DIAMOND DOGS by David Bowie (1974) > o RUBYCON by Tangerine Dream (1975) > o EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE by Edgar Froese (1975) > o ONCE UPON A TIME by Donna Summer (with our buddy Giorgio Moroder) > 1977 > o CLOSER by Joy Division (1979) > o TEARS OF FIRE by Tammy Wynette (3-CD collection) 1994 Steven! This has got to be the most eclectic mix of desert island discs I've ever seen. Does the Harvard Physics Department know about you? -- I think you're about to fission. :-) -- Mark (concerned for the safety of people on the East Coast) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 4:16 pm Subject: Re: Logos 2CD, Harrogate 2CD, Pergamon 2CD Really-From: feldon@n... At 08:42 AM 5/30/97 -0400, you wrote: >OK, I'm game, I'll bite: >>If you were stranded on a desert island and could only have 10 TD albums, >>what would they be? >>My vote: >>Phaedra, Rubycon, Force Majeure, Stratosfear, Pergamon 2CD*, >>Logos 2CD*, Poland 2CD, Miracle Mile, 220 Volt, Dream Mixes 2CD. >>*albums not officially released and not presently available (although I >hear >>people are working on making these happen!) Don't ask me for them! >-- how much? cash or trade? Well, the Logos 2CD may happen if and when Logotypes falls in my lap; which hopefully will after I complete the Harrogate project in 2 weeks (promise!). First, I have to publicly apologize for my delays in getting the 1986 Harrogate concert out onto a double-CD. Someone slap me a couple times so I'll get working faster on it. The music is all in the computer and I'm doing digital stuff to it to do a bit of cleaning. It's definately a keeper, not only for their awesome version of Stratosfear, but over 42 minutes of unreleased music; a decent bit of it being from 'Legend'! (and of course, yet another, faster version of Dominion!) Please! This disc is NOT yet available! Don't e-mail me unless you have some photographs of the concert or any information i could put in the liner notes, because I need those for the cover! ----------------- The Logos 2CD project ----------------- I've got a fantape of the show, so I have a roadmap on how to get as close to the actual show as possible. But the quality is crap. If the Logotypes CD contains as much music as I hope it does (including 3 mins of Tangent and White Eagle, which were both played at Logos, no kidding), then I could put together a 2CD version of the entire Logos, by digitizing Logotypes and the original Logos release and doing a bit of editing. Here's the cool bit. Since I am a TD nut and most everyone on the list is, I'm willing to sell it at a loss for $35. Now, what would be cool is if I could get a bit of unreleased music from 81-83 that sounds JUST AS GOOD as Logos but, well, is unreleased, and slap it on the end of the disc just for laughs. Now that would be something spiffy! Because there would be something like 30 minutes of empty space across the two discs. actually, does anyone have a really good fantape of the very beginning of part 2 of Logos, including audience noise, etc? I could edit this in on the beginning disc 2. Otherwise, it will just fade into time index 5:30 on the original Logos release. My fantape starts rolling about five minutes into set 2 of the concert, also the guitar is inexplicably different, maybe my 'set 2' wasn't really recorded in London, but another of the '82 shows. As far as Pergamon/Quixochette, the last mini-FAQ stated that someone's working on making a 2CD of a good fantape of the whole darn show, if not, editing a few fantapes (plural!) and doing a bit of editing. I don't have any source material for this project, I'm just restating someone else's deal. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 3:02 pm Subject: 1997 Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' I was just thinking (very rare!) but musically 1997 was/is/going to be a fantastic year. First of all my CD is going quite good. My concert at a big Dutch Festival (March) Experienced a TD-concert in Amsterdam (April) Going to a Jarre-concert in Rotterdam (May) A track from my CD on a compilation CD, all e-music (June) Working on my second CD (this summer/fall I hope) KLEM-festival with performances from Radio Massacre International and others !must be there! (October) Lots of interesting contacts on this list! I hope the second half of 1997 will be as exciting as the first one! As far as I'm concerned this year is the best year for e-music! Sorry for this strange message. I'm off to the Jarre-gig. Marcel Music-page : http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email : fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 4:27 pm Subject: Re: Take Pergamon and Tangram? Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:48 PM 5/29/97 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: stephan bischoff > >Optical Race >Underwater Sunlight >Force Majeure >Tangram >Logos >Poland >Encore >White Eagle >Pergamon >Flashpoint Pergamon and Tangram? It's funny how much time I've spend thinking about these two discs. Which one's better... does it matter... Wow, Schmoelling's good... I have to say (and this is very subjective, as you all know), I simply like Pergamon because it's live and actually because it's a little *less* developed and refined. Just like I prefer the live White Eagle played during Logos instead of the studio version, maybe it's because my fantape is so echo-ey :) Of course, nothing with TD is concrete, except they are not named after a Beatles song! Some people love Destination Berlin to death.... well, maybe not. But the Pergamon/Tangram relationship is very rare, perhaps the only other releases that have a similar 'replaying and sounding different' are Encore (stratosfear/richochet) and Quinoa (two bunch palms). Any one prefer Pergamon to Tangram? Vice versa? Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4424 Re: Take Pergamon and Tangram? Plumer, Scott Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB 4453 Re: Take Pergamon and Tangram? ajogon@m... Sun 6/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 4:03 pm Subject: Re: Take Pergamon and Tangram? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Any one prefer Pergamon to Tangram? Vice versa? I prefer Pergamon. I always found Tangram kind of artificial sounding, and Pergamon much more organic. Call me crazy. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 3:52 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Disks Really-From: Sean Montgomery > And another thing, the Easter Island contest is long over... Hey, what about > the track from the Easter Island contest? A good question! As far as I know, the final 12 minute song has yet to be mailed. Right now, we all just have our one minute segments, and although a suggestion was made to mail them to someone with a CD recorder for compilation, lines on communication are hard to keep going. From what I've heard of the piece, it's pretty standard 90s TD. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 5:32 pm Subject: Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) Really-From: feldon@n... At 10:31 PM 5/29/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >> Really-From: feldon@n... >> >> >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' >> >> >I can certainly appreciate what you're saying about >> >predictability. You didn't say (but perhaps implied) that >> >TD are unpredictable, and that perhaps goes back to my >> >posting earlier today about their sudden changes in >> >direction between albums. This is also evident in some >> >albums within tracks themselves. >> > >> >For a while TD did become predictable (I'm listening to >> >Zoning right now, which must be a candidate), but perhaps >> >with Dream Mixes, Goblin's Club and Oasis, that has changed >> >slightly. >> >> I believe the word you're grasping for in description of recent albums >> is 'lost!' > >All respect to you Morgan, but 'lost' is very subjective. That's okay, >but when I started this thread about predictability it seemed to me that >I had caught on to something. Wow! That's quite an analysis! Now I'm going to do what I'm famous for! I like 220 Volt, Turn of the Tides, Dream Mixes, Miracle Mile, and Livemiles. But yet, they are too melodic in a way, at least for me. Morgan (stifled) Marks feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4787 Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) PNaunton@a... Mon 6/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 4:30 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #935 Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.' >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Thu, 29 May 97 17:09:30 EDT >Subject: BABYLON 5 vs. BABYLON 5, VOL. 2 > >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > I thought I'd clarify why I rate BABYLON 5 with KLEMANIA but rate >BABYLON 5, VOL. 2 near the bottom of the barrel: the first soundtrack CD >features lots of neato e-music effects and near-techno moments, whereas >the second soundtrack CD is nearly all of the orchestral nature that >[...] I think you're missing a point here: B5v2 is a soundtrack (B5 is a soundtrack too, but arranged in a way that gets transformed in a more 'standard' [for lack of a better term] album), so the music must be taken as a support for what you're seeing on TV. If you haven't seen B5, then the music you hear doesn't carry the meaning it has for the people that watches the show (like me). Example: the one passage described by a friend of mine as 'sort of mean-moody music' qualifies to me as 'terrifying', but that's because it corresponds to the moment when the Shadow Vessel awakens in _Messages From Earth_. And, sure, I *LOVE* having the opening themes for each season. Remember, it's a soundtrack... -- MIGUEL FARAH \ GCS/O d-(pu) s++:+>++: a26 C++ UL+U+>L++++ mfarah@p... / P+ L>++ E--- W++ N+++ o+ K+++ w--(+) !O M- miguel@w... \ V-- PS+(-) PE++ Y+ PGP-(+) t++@ 5++ X- R http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel / tv(+) b+ DI+ D++ G++++ e+(*) h!>++ r-- y? #include <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 4:37 pm Subject: 1997 UK tour dates Really-From: Gabe Yedid I took a look at these on their web page yesterday. What??? They're playing the Bush *again*? These dates are a long way off, actually. I wonder if you lucky UK sods will be getting more new material. Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4430 Re: 1997 UK tour dates Sean Montgomery Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB 4460 Re: 1997 UK tour dates Gabe Yedid Sun 6/1/1997 2 KB 24887 1997 UK tour dates Chris Owen Tue 11/7/2000 3 KB 24903 Re: 1997 UK tour dates horrod6 Tue 11/7/2000 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 4:44 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island disks Really-From: Tdune@a... Here is my list, in order of preference: Logos Phaedra Exit The Man Inside Encore Thief Near Dark White Eagle Wavelength The park is mine regards Marcelo G. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4431 Re: Desert Island disks Sean Montgomery Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 4:50 pm Subject: Re: 1997 UK tour dates Really-From: Sean Montgomery > What??? They're playing the Bush *again*? > > These dates are a long way off, actually. I wonder if you lucky UK sods > will be getting more new material. Actually, Gabe...perhaps those of us on this side of the pond can put a postive spin on the situation by looking forward to a 1998 North American tour filled with new material....although I must confess I'd love to see them do a 'vintage; set too.... *sigh* Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4460 Re: 1997 UK tour dates Gabe Yedid Sun 6/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 5:05 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island disks Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Here is my list, in order of preference: > The Man Inside > Marcelo G. Damn you for picking a TD album I've never even heard for your Top 10....grr grrr....how to get a copy of this disk??? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 5:38 pm Subject: Re: non-TD--for a Desert Island Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' While we're on the topic: Here's mine, in no order: TD - Pergamon TD - Thief Miles Davis - Kind of Blue Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here Pink Floyd - Ummagumma Genesis - Selling England by the Pound Phish - Junta Grateful Dead - Dick's Picks Vol. 4 Gentle Giant - Octopus Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 6:05 pm Subject: Re: Klemania Really-From: 'Rakinik Intertype (DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Vic Rek > > This is what I can come up with on Klemania: > > >> Really-From: Mark Filipak > >> Can anyone update my knowledge. Seems to me that there were two, > >> separate and different versions of this album by C.Franke. One is the > >> commercial release we are all familiar with -- picture of Chris in front > >> of a big rack of equipment I think -- or maybe two pictures, one of > >> Chris and one of equipment -- in a sort of space-age room (his > >> studio?). The other was ... well, you tell me please. > > -CHRIS FRANKE: KLEMANIA- > 1st Release: > US Sonic Images SICD 8110, 1st release original mix, 1993 > 2nd Release: (I think Marcel discussed the re-mix part) > a. Germany Sonic Images SICD 8110, 2nd release with remix, > KLEM pink promo insert #'d 488 (that's my #) & with autograph, 1993 > b. Germany Sonic Images SICD 8110, 2nd release with remix, > regular cover, 1993 > I think both the above discs were made in Austria? > 3rd Release: > US Sonic Images SI 8504-2, 3rd release, > with some extra photos in the booklet, 1995 > > This is not complete for all countries, but it basically summarizes the > various releases. > > Vic Wait! You forgot a version! I spilled coffee on mine! Now there's another version you need Vic. Email for a price heh heh. Just kiddin bud heh heh. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 7:33 pm Subject: Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: TangerineC@a... > > The reason Force Majeure is hard to find is because Griffin music, the label > that put it out, is now defunct. Cyclone was another one of these titles that > are now missing in action. Hopefully they will be re-released on a different > label, but I dont know when. > Hopefully, Virgin America will finally rerelease these, and all of the rest as SBMs!! But we shall see... Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 8:19 pm Subject: Re: Klemania Really-From: Vic Rek -snip- >> -CHRIS FRANKE: KLEMANIA- >> This is not complete for all countries, but it basically summarizes the >> various releases. > >Wait! You forgot a version! I spilled coffee on mine! Now there's another >version you need Vic. Email for a price heh heh. Just kiddin bud heh >heh. I can't believe you have this version! Must be worth alot these days? You got my trade list right? Oh, but you forgot to mention, is this the version with the decaf coffee or regular coffee spill? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 8:42 pm Subject: Enigma vs. TD & Vangelis Really-From: Pawel Jachowicz Dear TD fans, I am not sure whether anyone else has noticed how blatantly similar TD's 'At Darwin's Motel' from Goblins' Club is to Enigma's 'The Child in Us' from Le Roi est Mort, Vive le Roi. After careful listening, it appears to me that Enigma has copied the woman's singing from TD. (Goblins' Club was released before Le Roi est Mort, I think) There is no mention of TD on Enigma's CD and it seems to me that, outside of a different rhythm, the singing is identical, being shorter in the TD version. Have they collaborated on this? Has anyone else noticed this? Another HUGE SIMILARITY seems to exist between Enigma MCMXC and Aphoride Child's '666' released over 20 years before. Note the woman's singing again. It is practically identical. No mention of Vangelis or his band appears on Enigma's CD sleeve either. Pawel -- Pawel Jachowicz, Computing Science, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada pavel@c... http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~pavel tangerine dream, christoph franke, edgar froese, johannes schmoelling klaus schulze, florian fricke, paul haslinger, klaus krueger, peter baumann Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4438 Re: Enigma vs. TD & Vangelis Sean Montgomery Fri 5/30/1997 2 KB 4451 Re: Enigma vs. TD & Vangelis Sean Montgomery Sun 6/1/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 8:46 pm Subject: Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: dbrewer@a... > > > Hopefully, Virgin America will finally rerelease these, and all of the rest > as SBMs!! But we shall see... > > Dave Brewer When I was a few hundred miles out of of the way and into Pheonix, I went to a Tower Records store and saw a Virgin release of Force Majuere with an entirely new album cover. Since I had only money to get one CD, I choose Hyperborea.. Can anyone confirm this? The album cover is computer generated and looks like waves and a landscape. There was no sticker saying SBM on the front, but I did believe it said it on the back. I believe the re-issue date was 1994. I had wished I picked this up as well! Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 9:00 pm Subject: Re: Enigma vs. TD & Vangelis Really-From: Sean Montgomery > I am not sure whether anyone else has noticed how blatantly similar > TD's 'At Darwin's Motel' from Goblins' Club is to Enigma's 'The Child > in Us' from Le Roi est Mort, Vive le Roi. This was mentioned the day that the Enigma CD was released. While it would be nice to think that this is a case of TD getting ripped off, the CDs were released so close to one another that I can only speculate that the the Froese's and Mr. Cretu were just exposed to the same vocal sample. I believe that the source song is credited on the Enigma sleeve. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 30, 1997 9:59 pm Subject: Jarre-concert (No TD) Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Just came back from the Jarre-concert in Rotterdam. Oops, Moog Modular, Mellotrons, Arps ...... It sure looks great on stage and they sounded fantastic. *But* they should have let the drummer at home, man he was screwing up the music. You could here that is was really live because there were parts were the analog synths weren't really in tune (great!) and Jarre missed quite a few notes, but this is exactly what I like - Live! Good concert (which could have been great without the loud drums) Marcel Music-page : http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email : fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 2:24 am Subject: Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) >> Long Post << Really-From: Mark Filipak Thanks Dennis. I found your comments really enlightening. Synopsis: About halfway through this, Dennis really hits the nail on the head by elaborating on my simple concept of predicability and dividing it into two parts: stylistic predictability and musical predicability. This goes a long way towards clarifying what borderline innovation is all about and how TD can be both familiar and unpredictable at the same time. His explanation will help me to relate TD to non-addicts. Anyone not interested in such symantics can delete of course but Dennis' thinking here is really cool. > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > >Sorry to be so long winded about this post, but I couldn't figure out > >any other way to get my ideas across. 'Familiarity' and > >'genre-predictability' are not unique ideas, but I think they may be > >useful in describing both the similarities and the differences between > >albums and styles in a non-judgemental way. I wonder if any others on > >this list think of music in these terms? > > I think that a different distinction is in order, and I'll try to > explain why. > > >All respect to you Morgan, but 'lost' is very subjective. > > It's certainly a subjective judgement. But taking into account your own > explanations of familiarity and predictability, isn't that very concept > subjective (and therefore, _not_ non-judgemental at all)? After all, to > be able to perceive composers and even genres as predictable, you have > to be exposed to them for long enough to know them and be familiar with > them - to other people who haven't had that exposition, the music will > be completely unpredictable. Theoretically true but I think we can assume a common point of reference in today's world. I would rather not get bogged down in a discussion whether an objective reality exists. Everything is subjective, but if we start from that premise, we'll get nowhere. My point was not subjectivity, but predictability. > >The other type of predictability is what I will call > >'genre-predictability.' This is the 'new age' sound, or the 'trite' > >sound that to me, characterizes Chris' solo work, and Linda's sax, and > >most of Jerome's drumming. > > This is where I think the 'genre-predictability' argument doesn't work. > We can discuss at length in a separate thread to what extent New Age is > trite, and Chris's work is trite, and Chris's work is New Age, but > that's a slightly different topic. However, with Linda's sax and > Jerome's drumming, genre-predictability cannot be a criterion, as they > are not confined to a given genre or even a given song. They could > imaginably be displaced into a different musical context, and even an > entirely different genre. And the very fact that they _have_ been > displaced into all sorts of contexts on some of the 1990s TD albums and > have been used over and over again, makes them musically predictable, > but certainly not genre-predictable. TD may not be genre-predictable, but Linda's sax playing sure was. Which genre? Adult comtemporary, soft jazz -- hell I don't know. Point is, one could hum along with Linda having never heard the piece before. > >Likewise, Paul's keyboard treatments were predictable only to someone > >who was very familiar with the band and with Paul. ____ Here's where it gets really good, folks _____ > This is where a basic problem about how we understand the music of TD > comes in. On the one hand, despite various efforts to attract a broader > scope of people, they should know very well that the people who buy > their music are their fans. In other words, someone buying a new TD > album is quite likely to also have the last one and the one before > that, and the one before that... > On the one hand, then, their music should, ideally, be _unpredictable_ > as that is precisely the quality that seems to attract most people to > TD, the quality that they like to emphasise themselves (see Exit sleeve > notes), and the quality that distinguishes them from any other group. > On the other hand, without a certain amount of predictability, nobody > would bother to follow a group. If an album were totally unpredictive > of its successor, who would take the risk of buying it? And after all, > how could anyone say that he/she likes TDs music when 'TDs music' is > just a hollow term due to the total absence of any kind of > predictability. Therefore, I think that a more adequate distinction to > make than the familiarity/genre prdictability one, is one between > stylistic and musical predictability. That's brilliant, Dennis. I'm with you totally. > Stylistic predictability is the reason why a given group or musical > style can have followers at all. It is the set of attributes that > constitutes a 'personality' or 'theory' that enables people to form > their judgements and decide whether they like or dislike the music. > Still, internally, there can be a lot of _musical_ unpredictability. I > think that Free Jazz is a good example here. It is founded on an > aspiration to be completely unpredictable in musical terms; but still, > if the genre didn't have a certain distinguished stylistic character, > we wouldn't be able to even talk about 'Free Jazz' at all. As > unpredictable as it internally is, in comparison with other musical > styles, we still know what to expect. > This is in line with what was said on the list before about a number of > classical composers. They were stylistically predictable in that Bach > invariably sounds like Bach, and Mozart can instantly be recognised as > Mozart. But in terms of individual musical structures, they were rather > unpredictable This make such good sense. It occurs to me that this concept of yours relates very well to the borderline genre musicians I wrote about. > > (to quote myself) > > This music has enough genre-predictability to be recognizable and > > marketable to a specific audience, but with novel treatments that > > set it apart form 'the rest.' If I understand you correctly, the 'recognizable' part is the stylistic predictability while the 'novel treatments' part is the musical unpredictability. I think that just about perfectly describes what I find interesting and engaging in the music I choose. This really is a powerful model. > >I'm sure that in our personal lives we've all known people who _try_ > >to be popular. Usually this leads to disrespect -- the feeling that > >this person is not being 'genuine.' > > I know that you used that word in a different context, but I think it > sums up the point I made earlier. Would we still regard TD as _genuine_ > if it were no longer recognisable as TD? Certainly not. Agreed. > In other words, we _want_ them to be stylistically predictable. Do we > accept it when they get musically predictable (you mentioned Jerome's > drums before; the notorious harpsichord sample is another example)? > Most of us don't. Musical unpredictability, then, seems to be part of > the style we all expect from TD, and hence, it is an element of the > stylistic predictability that ought to constitute the 'ideal' TD. Such clear headed thinking bring tears to my eyes. Gotta hand it to you Dennis, this is a wonderful way to look at music. A genre must have stylistic predictability to be recognizable as a genre. A work of music within that genre can have musical predicability or not depending upon the objectives of the musician. I suppose this would apply to all art -- from black velvet Elvis and little girls with big eyes to religious icons in jars of urine. I also agree that most of us don't appreciate TD when they're musically predictable, but clearly some of us do. I think the confusion produced by this difference in tastes has been much-misunderstood on this list. I have claimed not to like musical predicability, but I guess the evidence exposes the fact that I must have moods in which I _do_ seek musical predicability -- I listen to and appreciate all TD, just different albums at different times. I guess I'm more the slave to my moods than I would have previously admitted. But that's okay with me as I really think it's all sides of the same coin. Thanks Dennis. Regards -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 3:12 am Subject: TD Soundtrack availability Really-From: Rich Maggio Does anyone know of a place to get the following soundtracks? The Park Is Mine Shy People I found them at German Music Connection, but they are VERY expensive ($25+). I would perfer to get these some other way. Does anyone know where I might find these? Another question - are these worth having? I'll probably try to track them down just for completion's aske (aside from Three O'clock High, these are the only soundtracks that I don't have). Thanks, Rich Maggio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4442 Re: TD Soundtrack availability Rakinik Intertype Sat 5/31/1997 2 KB 4447 Re: TD Soundtrack availability Mark Filipak Sat 5/31/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 4:14 am Subject: Re: TD Soundtrack availability Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Rich Maggio > > Does anyone know of a place to get the following > soundtracks? > > The Park Is Mine > Shy People > > I found them at German Music Connection, but they are > VERY expensive ($25+). I would perfer to get these > some other way. Does anyone know where I might find these? > > Another question - are these worth having? I'll probably > try to track them down just for completion's aske (aside from > Three O'clock High, these are the only soundtracks that I > don't have). > > Thanks, > Rich Maggio Try Super Collector at 714-839-3693. They have both of those for $16.99. regards, DJS PS: They are definately worth having! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 4:03 am Subject: Re: Klemania Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Vic Rek > > -snip- > >> -CHRIS FRANKE: KLEMANIA- > >> This is not complete for all countries, but it basically summarizes > >> the various releases. > > > > Wait! You forgot a version! I spilled coffee on mine! Now there's > > another version you need Vic. Email for a price heh heh. Just kiddin > > bud heh heh. > > I can't believe you have this version! Must be worth alot these days? > You got my trade list right? Oh, but you forgot to mention, is this > the version with the decaf coffee or regular coffee spill? Exactly! I want the 'Klemania' from the pot with the green handle, not the pot with the orange handle. Which version of 'Klemania' has the caffine left in? -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 3:58 am Subject: Re: Predictable Music - Closing Credits Really-From: Mark Filipak Thanks to all of you who participated in this thread, and to all who patiently let it happen. Graig related it to books (I'll have to check out Iain Banks, Graig) and I got nice support from others -- thanks folks. But Dennis tied it all together very nicely -- much thanks Dennis. I've been struggling with the third revision to the 'Introduction to Tangerine Dream' and Dennis' supurb vision will help make it both easier to write and easier to read and understand. Dennis' style predictability fits in quite nicely with my view of TD's periods (soundscapes, symphonies, suites, concepts, and new age -- was 'TD-lite' but the truth is now unavoidable, IMHO) and will further help to explain the albums that 'fit' and the albums that don't 'fit' -- basically, the ones that don't fit are out of style, or at least were out of style at the time of their release. Perhaps the more concise term to use here is 'stylistic consistency.' Musical predictability (or just predictability, for short) is really a new measure I can apply and it will be interesting to see how this correlates with the consensus that has emerged from the 'D:' topic discussions. The objective is to provide a roadmap for novice TD-addicts wishing to enhance their highs without bankrupting themselves in the process, and to present the roadmap in a value-neutral manner. Thanks Everybody -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 4:42 am Subject: Re: SOLO Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-29 07:49:21 EDT, you write: << If I could have any cd come out this year from any artist, I'd like to hear a solo cd from Jermome. >> I may be totally off the wall mistaken here, but wasn't 'Dream Mixes' basically a Jerome solo? Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4476 Re: SOLO Mark Filipak Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 4:42 am Subject: Re: Consistency of TD Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-29 08:39:33 EDT, you write: << Their music is still highly sentimental for me, and that is why I will probably still listen to it. Dream on everyone, Pawel >> It's great to see such a positive message. Nice thoughts on comparing new and old. I, too, don't care much for newer TD, but I also keep listening, and probably always will. Unless they do that polka album. Gotta draw the line somewhere. ;-) Phil D. >> I like the new. I love the old. And when the old was new I was younger too. The music made my blood rush to the surface, I was flushed with the experience. I'm older now, and much like the dog that no longer has the energy or the inclination to chase its own tail, I sit here doing this or that while the old or new TD music plays in the background. The history of TD has been written and they have moved on to other things The music is still good, though different. Only time will tell if the current music has any staying power. If it doesn't; so what? If it does; fine. They will have already moved on to their next project. I hope I will be around for the next incarnation, but if not I will probably be beyond caring. (The Reaper has made a couple of unsuccessful attempts at harvesting me in the last five years.) Right now Edgar may be thinking about some etherial music, perhaps even playing it. I begin to feel this strange resonance; an odd compulsion. ' Hey, why don't I play 'Logos' once again for old times sake !!' Phil Naunton n.p. 'Logos' 'Dominion, London. Thank you for being patient. Please welcome - TANGERINE DREAM !! ' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4455 Re: Consistency of TD TangerineC@a... Sun 6/1/1997 2 KB 4464 Re: Consistency of TD Mark Filipak Sun 6/1/1997 2 KB 4486 Re: Consistency of TD Dennis Nigbur Mon 6/2/1997 3 KB 4769 Re: Consistency of TD PNaunton@a... Sun 6/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 4:48 am Subject: Re: TD Soundtrack availability Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > > Really-From: Rich Maggio > > > > Does anyone know of a place to get the following > > soundtracks? > > > > The Park Is Mine > > Shy People > > Try Super Collector at 714-839-3693. They have both of those for > $16.99. You can also reach Supercollector at http://www.supercollector.com/ Ciao -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 6:28 am Subject: RE: Trouble Finding Force Majeure Really-From: Michael Trinastic >When I was a few hundred miles out of of the way and into Pheonix, I went >to a Tower Records store and saw a Virgin release of Force Majuere with an >entirely new album cover. Since I had only money to get one CD, I choose >Hyperborea.. >Can anyone confirm this? The album cover is computer generated and looks >like waves and a landscape. There was no sticker saying SBM on the front, >but I did believe it said it on the back. I believe the re-issue date was >1994. > I had wished I picked this up as well! > >Greg... Yes, this CD does exist; I own it. As you mentioned, the cover has a wavy/ spiky computer-generated design, as does the CD (very cool!). The date on the back is 1995. Unfortunately, it has no SBM. I had a very difficult time finding older TD CDs in music stores. Sure, all the stuff from the nineties was there, but everything else seemed impossible to find. Then at a Barnes & Nobles, I came across the jackpot! They had Phaedra, Ricochet, Stratosfear, Encore, Force Majeure, Logos, and more. This is where I bought the new release of Force Majeure. I also saw Force Majeure once in a used CD store. It had the original album cover, but I don't remember any other details about it. . . . -Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 8:46 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs Really-From: ajogon@m... My choices, roughly in order of preference: Tangram Hyperborea Logos Force Majeure Green Desert Stratosfear Le Parc Cyclone Underwater Sunlight Optical Race Hey Morgan, you certainly have the gift of starting very participated threads! You ought to start listening to other music than TD and join the GoldTri mailing list! Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 4:34 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #936 Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.' > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 08:08:37 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure > >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > >The reason Force Majeure is hard to find is because Griffin music, the label >that put it out, is now defunct. Cyclone was another one of these titles that >are now missing in action. Hopefully they will be re-released on a different >label, but I dont know when. I always assumed Virgin had re-released it as SBM, just like Hyperborea, Encore, etcetera. In the disk store I always buy in, there is a copy of FM by Griffin music, and no one has bought it in almost two months - I suppose that everyone is thinking like me: wait until a D.E.R. comes... -- MIGUEL FARAH \ GCS/O d-(pu) s++:+>++: a26 C++ UL+U+>L++++ mfarah@p... / P+ L>++ E--- W++ N+++ o+ K+++ w--(+) !O M- miguel@w... \ V-- PS+(-) PE++ Y+ PGP-(+) t++@ 5++ X- R http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel / tv(+) b+ DI+ D++ G++++ e+(*) h!>++ r-- y? #include <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 10:02 pm Subject: Re: Enigma vs. TD & Vangelis Really-From: ajogon@m... Subject: Re: Enigma vs. TD & Vangelis Really-From: Sean Montgomery >> I am not sure whether anyone else has noticed how blatantly similar >> TD's 'At Darwin's Motel' from Goblins' Club is to Enigma's 'The Child >> in Us' from Le Roi est Mort, Vive le Roi. > >This was mentioned the day that the Enigma CD was released. While it >would be nice to think that this is a case of TD getting ripped off, the >CDs were released so close to one another that I can only speculate that >the the Froese's and Mr. Cretu were just exposed to the same vocal sample. I think I don't like very much 'Goblin's Club' precisely because of the use of ethnic samples. When in 1981 Brian Eno and David Byrne released the album 'My life in the bush of ghosts', I was amazed with the use of the vocal samples and still today I enjoy this album very much. When in 1996 TD released GC, it just sounded to me as 'deja vu'. Nowadays the use of ethnic samples is over-explored, and IMHO Tangerine Dream didn't make anything new or different in GC. Take for example Jean Michel Jarre's Zoolook. Whenever you like or hate this album, you will agree that Jarre made a different use of vocal samples in there, and so Zoolook sounds unique. Goblin's Club on the other hand, mainy because of the unfortunate choice of that vocal sample, sounds to me just like a Enigma album. All my humble opinion, of course. Let me just point out 2 aditional albums which I consider having a briliant use of ethnic samples together with electronics: Jorge Reyes 'Comala' Roberto Musci & Giovanni Venosta 'Messages & Portraits' If you can find these albums, give them a listen, and then you will see why GC didn't impress me. About Aphrodite's Child '666' and Enigma 'MCMXC a.D.', I also noticed the similar samples, and in this case it's easier to say who copied who! Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 9:40 pm Subject: Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Am I the weekly winner of the *knock off the Tangerine Dream Mailing List* or is it just not busy here? Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 8:10 pm Subject: Re: Take Pergamon and Tangram? Really-From: ajogon@m... feldon@n... wrote: >Any one prefer Pergamon to Tangram? Vice versa? I prefer Tangram, maybe because it was the first _complete_ TD album I listened to, back in 1983, whereas my first exposure to Pergamon was only last year. I think that when someone listen to an album of a new artist and likes it, this album will be always a favorite. This happened to me regarding Tangerine Dream, but also regarding Mike Oldfield (Tubular Bells), Vangelis (Heaven and Hell), etc. That's why I consider the first exposure to an artist so important. Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 1, 1997 12:10 am Subject: No messages today? Really-From: Rich Maggio Are there problems with the list server or have I had the priviledge of being knocked off again? I tried re-subscribing and I still have not gotten anything. Rich Maggio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 4:49 pm Subject: Re: Consistency of TD Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-31 03:59:20 EDT, you write: >And when the old was new I was >younger too. >The music made my blood rush to the surface, I was flushed with the >experience. >I'm older now, and much like the dog that no longer has the energy or the >inclination to chase its own tail, I sit here doing this or that while the >old or new TD music plays in the background. Hey. I'm young and I get all that blood rushing stuff. Either it's the music, or my blood pressure is off wack. Anyway, if it's the music, hopefully it wont become background music for me later on. Music is supposed to give you that feeling, no matter if you're 20 or 90 years old. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 6:24 pm Subject: Hi there ! Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' HI I stop receiving messages from this list. It's me or ir the list empty. I only get messages from Goltri and no messages from Space-music and this one. This is a self test. If this lis O.K. I will receive it back from the list. Just in case, I've received Oasis soundtrack. My first impresion is I like it. Nice sound quality as usual with the later productions. Nice music: style between Canyon dreams and Dream Mixes. ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 10:45 pm Subject: DREAM MIXES 2 Really-From: Michael A Jean I was thinking that THIEF YANG and DAS MADCHEN might be outakes from this project since those CDs state they may appear on a future album.... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: FW: Watch Out America.! Really-From: Alistair Hull To anyone that knows me and those of you who don't (it was me who posted the 'Shepherds Bush Playlist to the TD webpage), Just thought I'd let you know that I'm about 95% sure I've got a transfer to the USA. Up in the Northwest theres a place that has English Weather to make me feel at home and a wonderful girl to spend the rest of my life with. (what more could any man ask for?) Looks like August in Seattle for me. Stateside here we come (finally), after my U.S. tour 1996 which took me to Chicago,Irvine,Atlanta,Green Bay, New Jersey, Manhattan,(!!Minneapolis (ugh)) and even a trip to a U.S. Hospital ! - That reminds me - must get the tour teeshirts printed! The Email address will stay the same as I'm transferring from the Uk to Seattle within the same company - makes life easy.... Thanks for the discussions (because I take this stuff at work I can only deal with the digest) ** NOW ** I WANT A 1988 U.S. TOUR AS MUCH AS YOU GUYS !! Alistair From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 2:02 pm Subject: force majeure Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' >I went to special order this CD through Hastings--my local >music store, and the only one in this small town. Well, they >couldn't get this CD for me.. -- If you're in 'Hastings' as in 'Battle of ... 1066' (I know, not Hastings proper but nearby town of Battle...) you might try phoning the Virgin hotline (I'll look through my stuff to see if I can find it but they must have a web site too). The 'big' stores in London all had multiple copies of the SBM edition (Tand 10) just 2 weeks ago -- that's where I got mine (about 10-12 pounds)... I'm sure you could mail order it from Virgin at least... but why not hop a train to London and go on a SBM spree? :-) they are all there ... Lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4465 Re: force majeure Greg Heil Sun 6/1/1997 3 KB 4720 Re: force majeure Michael A Jean Fri 6/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 4:05 pm Subject: Re: 1997 UK tour dates Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Fri, 30 May 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > Actually, Gabe...perhaps those of us on this side of the pond can put a > postive spin on the situation by looking forward to a 1998 North > American tour filled with new material....although I must confess I'd love > to see them do a 'vintage; set too.... *sigh* > Ever the unfailing optimist, eh Sean? ;) I hope a few boots of the '97 tour surface sometime in the future, with the complete concert... > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 4:40 pm Subject: Re: Klemania Really-From: Vic Rek Not to bore you anymore, there is also another version that I missed: Really, no more jokes.. Klemania - Austria pink disc promotional issue I don't have this one - Anybody out there willing or daring to speak up on this one? Additional information would be helpful! >> > Wait! You forgot a version! I spilled coffee on mine! Now there's >> > another version you need Vic. Email for a price heh heh. Just kiddin >> > bud heh heh. >> >> I can't believe you have this version! Must be worth alot these days? >> You got my trade list right? Oh, but you forgot to mention, is this >> the version with the decaf coffee or regular coffee spill? > >Exactly! I want the 'Klemania' from the pot with the green handle, not >the pot with the orange handle. Which version of 'Klemania' has the >caffine left in? -- Mark > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 4:12 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-05-30 07:29:09 EDT, you write: << > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > If you were stranded on a desert island and could only have 10 TD albums, > > what would they be? >> I found this to be an extremely difficult exercise...hard to pick my favorite 10 TD discs! My list would probably change on any given day, but today it would be this: (in alphabetical order) Atem Exit Force Majeure Green Desert Lily On The Beach Phaedra Statosfear Thief Underwater Sunlight 220 Volt And just for the exercise, trying to pick my 10 favorite non-TD discs out of the 1000's I possess is nearly impossible...so I went by which one's affected me the most the first time I heard them, and ones I still never get tired of listening to: (in alphabetical order) Blue Oyster Cult - Secret Treaties Echo & The Bunnymen - Heaven Up Here Bryan Ferry - Boys And Girls Hawkwind - Hall Of The Mountain Grill King Crimson - In The Court Of The Crimson King Led Zeppelin - III Moody Blues - On The Threshold Of A Dream Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon Pink Floyd - Obscured By Clouds Steppenwolf - Monster Wow, this was fun! Graf 'A cap of good acid costs five dollars and for that you can hear the Universal Symphony with God singing solo and the Holy Ghost on drums.' - Hunter S. Thompson From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 10:41 am Subject: Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-05-31 05:36:02 EDT, you write: >saw a Virgin release of Force Majuere with an >>entirely new album cover. Since I had only money to get one CD, I choose >>Hyperborea.. >>Can anyone confirm this? The album cover is computer generated and looks >>like waves and a landscape. There was no sticker saying SBM on the front, >>but I did believe it said it on the back. I believe the re-issue date was >>1994. This was the Griffin version you saw, that is now out of print because Griffin music went out of business. You will not find Cyclone either. They may be released again someday with SBM. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 31, 1997 6:51 pm Subject: Re: Consistency of TD Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > ... > Right now Edgar may be thinking about some etherial music, perhaps > even playing it. I begin to feel this strange resonance; an odd > compulsion. > > ' Hey, why don't I play 'Logos' once again for old times sake !!' > > Phil Naunton > > n.p. 'Logos' > > 'Dominion, London. Thank you for being patient. Please welcome - > TANGERINE DREAM !! ' Damn it Phil. You got my eyes all watery. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 1, 1997 4:56 am Subject: Re: force majeure Really-From: 'Greg Heil' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: force majeure > Date: Saturday, May 31, 1997 7:02 AM > > Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) > > > >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > >I went to special order this CD through Hastings--my local > >music store, and the only one in this small town. Well, they > >couldn't get this CD for me.. > -- If you're in 'Hastings' as in 'Battle of ... 1066' (I know, not Hastings > proper but nearby town of Battle...) you might try phoning the Virgin > hotline (I'll look through my stuff to see if I can find it but they must > have a web site too). The 'big' stores in London all had multiple copies of > the SBM edition (Tand 10) just 2 weeks ago -- that's where I got mine (about > 10-12 pounds)... I'm sure you could mail order it from Virgin at least... > but why not hop a train to London and go on a SBM spree? :-) they are all > there ... > > Lars > Thanks for showing that there's a SBM version out now! But.. I'd love to hop a train to London, but does one go over the ocean? Actually, Hastings is a retail and rental chain store out here in Arizona and many other states. I'll either try again through this store or mail order it! Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 1, 1997 8:09 am Subject: Re: Enigma vs. .. reply to Antonio Nunes Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 03:02 PM 5/31/97 -0700, you wrote: >use of ethnic samples. When in 1981 Brian Eno and David Byrne released >the album 'My life in the bush of ghosts', I was amazed with the use of >the vocal samples and still today I enjoy this album very much. [....] >Let me just point out 2 aditional albums which I consider having a >briliant use of ethnic samples together with electronics: > >Jorge Reyes 'Comala' >Roberto Musci & Giovanni Venosta 'Messages & Portraits' > >If you can find these albums, give them a listen, and then you will see >why GC didn't impress me. Have you had a chance to listen to Michel Sanchez' (aka Deep Forest) stuff? I am exploring Enigma for the very first time because I loved his albums (and the Australian boot) he put out. Some CD service states that Enigma is in the same category. (BTW, the fact that the vocals on 'Boheme' are done by a Hungarian lady -- Marta Sebestyen, on a Transylvanian theme -- my roots, just added to the pleasure). I never considered TD's GC in the category of ethnorock. Maybe I missed something. Although Michel Sanchez' 'Windows' smacks of TD, but certainly not GC. Thanks for the lead on Jorge Reyes. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 1, 1997 4:58 pm Subject: A bit o' change Really-From: Elana who? I do believe that this here Tadream list is going to change to a much more of a purely TD discussion list now, less off-topic discussions about related artists, now that Goldtri is alive. ;) If you like just talking about TD, just hang around here. If ya want to talk about other artists whose music relates to TD's Franke era, come on over to GoldTri. :-) http://www.aracnet.com/~elana/goldtri.html -Elana From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 1, 1997 10:25 pm Subject: Mark Shreeve Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Really-From: Gabe Yedid >I don't know what's not screwed on right in my head but I have just never >been able to fathom the admiration for the music of Mark Shreeve that >exists on the list. His music has always struck me as being just so >incredibly cheesy and dated-sounding, but then again, I only have _Legion_ and >_Crash Head_. (_Nocturne_ is totally unavailable around here.) I simply don't >enjoy them and I wouldn't say there's anything remarkable at all about these >albums. You have two of his best albums in 'Legion' and 'Crash Head'. They've never struck me as being cheesy. They are incredibly well produced and well written with a fine sense of melody and movement though your 'dated' comment is probably a reflection of that fact that these albums were written with typical 1980's synths (PPG, DX7, Jupiter 8 etc). Nocturne also is very good indeed but suffers a little in that it's perhaps too long and that most of the tracks originated on Mark's library CD's so they were not particularly fresh to the fan's ears. It is, however, very clean and clear and more varied in compositional style than his other albums. Contact Ash if you're interested in a copy of this disc. Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4471 Re: Mark Shreeve Matt Williams Mon 6/2/1997 3 KB 4514 Re: Mark Shreeve Gary Davis Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB 4553 Re: Mark Shreeve (DJS) Tue 6/3/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 1, 1997 10:25 pm Subject: EMMA et al Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, Well, we're back from the EMMA event and, although the audience was poor in comparision to previous years, our performance went according to plan apart from some early technical problems. Special thanks to those digest readers who we spoke to at the event. The AirSculpture lads were very much in evidence and last seen diving into the back on a Mellotron system which had been brought along for the day. Guess you guys are just a bunch of serious tech-heads....Nice to finally meet Tony Sawford and, shock horrow, Mirai from Japan. (Anyone remember him?) Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 1, 1997 10:24 pm Subject: EMMA 'n' stuff... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Well I have a good excuse - I'm practising for my own gig in Derby on >the following day! From what I hear most people think the tickets are >too expensive without a 'big' headline act.... Sorry we couldn't make it to your bash, Paul, but EMMA was too demoralising for us to stick around any longer. My God, the audience was down to forty or so people for Harvey Bainbridge's set. Struth. At least we went down reasonably well...despite some technical problems. I think they lost a hell of a lot of money on this event. I doubt that there will be any more EMMA festivals for a long time to come...Mick was even talking of jacking in 'Sequences'. Hope you faired better...We were just delighted that we were able to perform and enjoy ourselves. We sold six CD's yesterday. Now, that's demoralising... >If I could though, I'd be there. Even if it was only to go and get >pissed with Mr Pickford then come back and abuse everyone! >From what we could see, Paul, you and Andy might have been the only people left to watch Mind Over Matter... :) Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Mark Shreeve Really-From: Matt Williams >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) >Hi all, >>Really-From: Gabe Yedid >>I don't know what's not screwed on right in my head but I have just never >>been able to fathom the admiration for the music of Mark Shreeve that >>exists on the list. His music has always struck me as being just so >>incredibly cheesy and dated-sounding, but then again, I only have _Legion_ >>and >>_Crash Head_. (_Nocturne_ is totally unavailable around here.) I simply >>don't enjoy them and I wouldn't say there's anything remarkable at all about >>these albums. Yeah I have to agree with you Gabe...Cheesy is the word I would use for Crashhead as well as utter crap.....I couldn't see the fuss about Shreeve after hearing that,I then got Nocturne which is a hell of a lot better even thought it has a 'few' chessey moments!. I recently got 'redshift' which I wasn't keen on at first cause it just sounds like something TD would have done in the 70s....nothing new or original,but then I didn't think about it in that way and just enjoyed it as an album and forgot about the period of time in which it sounds and when it wads made.....so I would say Shreeve is like Schulze.......either very good or very crap! Mat..... MATTHEW WILLIAMS EMAIL: matt@s... 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 1, 1997 9:57 pm Subject: RE: Trouble Finding Force Majeure Really-From: jeffrey@i... >saw a Virgin release of Force Majuere with an >>entirely new album cover. Since I had only money to get one CD, I choose >>Hyperborea.. >>Can anyone confirm this? The album cover is computer generated and looks >>like waves and a landscape. There was no sticker saying SBM on the front, >>but I did believe it said it on the back. I believe the re-issue date was >>1994. The version I have is US Virgin release distributed through Capitol records. I bought the CD less than 2 years ago but I guess it is an old version since I don't think Capitol does any current distribution for Virgin. As for the version mentioned above - I have seen it a few times in some of NYC's more odd shops but hated the cover art so I made sure I got the version that looked like the album did. I think that you should be able to get this Virgin version that I have. Jeff From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 4:21 am Subject: (.)(.)(.)(.) Compilations (.)(.)(.)(.) Really-From: PNaunton@a... June 1, 1997 COMPILATIONS - Began like this......sometime near the beginning of May the commercial viability of compilations was brought to discussion. I thought it would be interesting to find out how many people on the list had actually purchased one compilation or another over the years. My initial thought was that few 'dyed in the wool' TD fans would invest in this avenue of music collection. The following shows how wrong I can be. I wrote - - <> 31 - People responded listed as follows - - Scott Plumer, Antonio Nunes, Dave Brewer, Sean Montgomery, Kent E., Jens Peschke, M.J., Armin, Gaza, Stephen Feldman, Gabe, Eric Sanborn, Craig Cordrey, Graf Zeigen, Capel Martyn, Francisco Salgado, Larry Smith, Stephen Bischoff, Jim Moore, Vic Rek, Morgan, Brian Kirby, Robert Grabowsky, Janne Salmijärvi, Stephen Ott, Steve Grace, Lars, Kim peterson, Andrew Rozsa, (Sorry, one name lost), M.G. 214 - 'votes' were cast 22 - Different collections were mentioned List Member with the most compilations - Lars - 19 Most frequent mention is 'Tangents' with 29 votes. Two recordings tied for second place with 24 votes each; 'Beyond The Storm' & 'Dream Roots Collection' Dream Sequence - 17 In The Beginning - 2 Electronic Dreams - 4 Beyond The Storm - 24 Private Music Of . . .- 22 Tangents - 29 Dream Roots - 24 70-80 - 7 Book Of Dreams - 12 The Collection (Castle) - 13 Collection - 2 Froese 74-79 - 8 >From Dawn 'Ti Dusk - 8 Dream Music - (Unauthorized) - 7 Dream Music 2 - (Unauthorized) - 6 Electronic Dreams - 4 The Best of . . . - 5 Atmospherics - 5 Brick - 3 Edgar Froese - Solo - 2 The Story of . . . . - 6 Tangerine Dream (Disky) - 4 Phil Naunton P.S. If you don't see your name above, and you know you posted your compilation to the list, please contact me privately (pnaunton@a...) if you want to correct the oversight. Also - - there were many other 'so-called' compilations mentioned, but these were illiminated from the final list for one reason or another, mostly because they were not really compilations. Some may argue that 'Tangents' and/or 'Beyond The Storm' are not really compilations either, but they are closer to being compilations than some of the others mentioned. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4531 Re: (.)(.)(.)(.) Compilations (.)(.)(.)(.) Plumer, Scott Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 4:21 am Subject: Re: Predictable Music (Slightly {more} off topic) Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-30 09:30:41 EDT, you write: << Musical unpredictability, then, seems to be part of the style we all expect from TD, and hence, it is an element of the stylistic predictability that ought to constitute the 'ideal' TD. Dennis >> So, let me get this straight. The unpredictableness of TD is when they do predictable music. Other than that they are predictably unpredictable. In fact the predictability is that they are unpredictable most of the time. Some of the fans, however, are predictably tired of the current rash of unpredictability because they can see it coming a mile away. They would much rather see TD do some of the older predictable stuff, because that would be totally unpredictable. They would, predictably, enjoy it alot more. At least until it became predictable again. But then TD could always go back to being unpredictable again at the last possible moment. But I bet there would be someone out there who had predicted it ahead of time. I know I would. I should have dictated this; my fingers are all tied up in knots. As my daughter says, 'A noise annoys an oyster, but a noisy noise annoys an oyster more.' Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4477 Re: Predictable Music (Slightly {more} off topic) Mark Filipak Mon 6/2/1997 5 KB 4479 Re: Predictable Music (Slightly {more} off topic) Grant Middleton Mon 6/2/1997 3 KB 4496 Re: Predictable Music (Slightly {more} off topic) Mark Filipak Mon 6/2/1997 4 KB 4507 Re: Predictable Music (Slightly {more} off topic) TWeibre361@a... Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB 4767 Re: Predictable Music (Slightly {more} off topic) PNaunton@a... Sun 6/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 4:25 am Subject: Giv'n Kraftwerk a Try... Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Hello All.. I'm trying Kraftwerk today.. 'The Mix' First exposure is this album except from the 'Synthesizer Spectacular' album I had contained 'Autobahn' Yes, it's cold and beepy. But that isn't too bad sometimes. I'll post something later when I finish the album :) Wait'n for some TD mail to show up! Greg... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4506 Re: Giv'n Kraftwerk a Try... TWeibre361@a... Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 2:54 am Subject: Re: SOLO Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-05-29 07:49:21 EDT, you write: > > << If I could have any cd come out this year from any artist, I'd like > to hear a solo cd from Jermome. >> > > I may be totally off the wall mistaken here, but wasn't > 'Dream Mixes' basically a Jerome solo? > > Phil Naunton Probably nobody responded to this Phil, because nobody has any idea how much involvement Dad had. But I'll bet Dad had a lot -- just speculation really. No doubt Jerome took the lead, but it did go out with the Tangerine Dream name on it, so I'll bet Edgar was right in there. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 5:28 am Subject: Re: Predictable Music (Slightly {more} off topic) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-05-30 09:30:41 EDT, you write: > > << Musical unpredictability, then, seems to be part of the style we > all expect from TD, and hence, it is an element of the stylistic > predictability that ought to constitute the 'ideal' TD. > Dennis >> > > So, let me get this straight. The unpredictableness of TD > is when they do predictable music. Other than that they are > predictably unpredictable. In fact the predictability is that they > are unpredictable most of the time. Some of the fans, however, are > predictably tired of the current rash of unpredictability because they > can see it coming a mile away. They would much rather see TD do some > of the older predictable stuff, because that would be totally > unpredictable. They would, predictably, enjoy it alot more. At least > until it became predictable again. But then TD could always go back > to being unpredictable again at the last possible moment. But I bet > there would be someone out there who had predicted it ahead of time. > I know I would. > I should have dictated this; my fingers are all tied up in > knots. > As my daughter says, 'A noise annoys an oyster, but a noisy > noise annoys an oyster more.' Well, I don't know precisely what Dennis was trying to say there. If he responds, then perhaps you guys can trash it out. I got this started and I'll speak only for myself as it appears my motives are unclear. I don't want to get into a meta-arguement or an ARGUEMENT: GO TO ARGUEMENT arguement, but by predictability, I was referring to the music, not the band. To me, if a band always puts out unpredictable music, then the band is unpredictable -- they can't be predictably unpredictable and still leave us enough room to carry on a discussion. And to address your next point, TD has not recently been all that unpredictable. Point is: perhaps that's the element in their output of the last 7 years or so that some people find disappointing and, conversely, others find so good. When the pioneers finally settle down, they stop being pioneers and start being homesteaders. Perhaps some fans aren't ready to settle down yet? -- I know I'm not. And perhaps other fans are/have settled down and that's how they prefer it. But that's all tangental. I'm mostly interested in characterizing the music, not the band. I'll let each newby 'discover' the band in their own way and at their own pace. I'm just tying to steer people towards the music they want (pioneering or settled) based on what they already have. In that regard, the chart is probably all anyone needs. If they have nothing, then the assumption is that have strayed in from some cold, dark place (FAX Records? Rather Interesting? Fathom?) and any sort of description of TD's musical epochs will be helpful. Cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 7:11 am Subject: Kraftwerk Konclusion :-) Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Okay so here's what I think about 'The MIX' It's Techno-Pop and it actually pops, beeps, and bubbles at you. Well.. cheesy comes to mind, but these are remixes I think. I am NOT happy about having six pages in an insert without and writing or origin of the artists or the songs. Either it's too much like playing on a touch tone phone (Pocket Calculator), or I'm missing the point about electronic music? I'll give Kraftwerk another try with an older album. Cold.. Computer Beeps.. Does Electronic Music have to symbolize it's origins of electronics? No! If we can forget that the sounds that we are listening to come from long plastic boxes, then the music has accomplished it's goal. TD accomplishes this. Kraftwerk makes the music's origins more appearant (from looking at just this one album). Greg... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4480 Re: Kraftwerk Konclusion :-) Rakinik Intertype Mon 6/2/1997 3 KB 4481 Re: Kraftwerk Konclusion :-) Grant Middleton Mon 6/2/1997 5 KB 4482 Re: Kraftwerk Konclusion :-) Greg Heil Mon 6/2/1997 4 KB 4483 Re: Kraftwerk Konclusion :-) Greg Heil Mon 6/2/1997 6 KB 4527 Re: Kraftwerk Konclusion :-) Greg Heil Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 8:25 am Subject: Re: Predictable Music (Slightly {more} off topic) Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > Well, I don't know precisely what Dennis was trying to say there. If he > responds, then perhaps you guys can trash it out. I got this started > and I'll speak only for myself as it appears my motives are unclear. I don't think Phil was really putting you down, Mark. I personally had a good chuckle at the play of words and I'd say that that was all that Phil intended. Then again, maybe he's up for a square go in the parking lot. Are you guys selling tickets ? -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 8:45 am Subject: Re: Kraftwerk Konclusion :-) Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > Okay so here's what I think about 'The MIX' > It's Techno-Pop and it actually pops, beeps, and > bubbles at you. Well.. cheesy comes to mind, > but these are remixes I think. I am NOT happy > about having six pages in an insert without > and writing or origin of the artists or the songs. > Either it's too much like playing on a touch > tone phone (Pocket Calculator), or I'm missing the point about > electronic music? > > I'll give Kraftwerk another try with an older album. > > Cold.. > Computer Beeps.. > > Does Electronic Music have to symbolize it's origins of electronics? > No! > > If we can forget that the sounds that we are listening to come from > long plastic boxes, then the music has accomplished it's goal. > TD accomplishes this. Kraftwerk makes the music's origins more > appearant (from looking at just this one album). > > Greg... Hmmm...I would suggest either Man Machine or Autobahn to start. The Mix is really just a...er....dream mix for Kraftwerk. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 8:52 am Subject: Re: Kraftwerk Konclusion :-) Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > Okay so here's what I think about 'The MIX' > It's Techno-Pop and it actually pops, beeps, and > bubbles at you. Well.. cheesy comes to mind, > but these are remixes I think. I am NOT happy > about having six pages in an insert without > and writing or origin of the artists or the songs. > Either it's too much like playing on a touch > tone phone (Pocket Calculator), or I'm missing the point about > electronic music? Well, I'm afraid I'm going to have to bite, and back up the boys in the band once again. > Cold.. > Computer Beeps.. > > Does Electronic Music have to symbolize it's origins of electronics? > No! But it _can_. Let me paraphrase your query... Does Electronic Music have to deny its origins in electronics ? No ! > If we can forget that the sounds that we are listening to come from > long plastic boxes, then the music has accomplished it's goal. Must the goal of music be to make long plastic boxes sound 'natural' or 'human' ? I personally get really turned on (pun intended) by purely electronic sounds. Analogue filter sweeps, geometrically perfect sawtooth waveforms, metronomic timing - Yes ! DX7 FM sweeps, natural instrument modelling, live drummers - No ! > TD accomplishes this. Kraftwerk makes the music's origins more > appearant (from looking at just this one album). I think you might be missing the point. Kraftwerk are not trying to BE 'The Robots'. They're not claiming to BE a production line factory (if this isn't the English translation of 'Kraftwerk', I'm sorry). What they're doing is producing music which sounds bloody great to themselves (using their own human value judgements) and which they think will appeal to others, hence they release it. And there's no shortage of people ready to buy their output. I reckon the _real_ sound of a pocket calculator (try listening on an FM radio between the stations whilst pressing buttons on your calculator beside it) is VERY VERY DULL. However, to bring things full circle, it's interesting to note that the first computer music was created after a computer scientist noted the 'musical' quality of these electromagnetic emissions whilst he was listening to his radio ! It's the age-old trap (which I'm still guilty of falling into) of using rational agruments to support your own likes and dislikes. Kraftwerk get off on their own music and so do their fans. TD get off on their own music and so do their fans. They are both of exceptionally high quality, and both have stood the test of time. Kraftwerk certainly appeal more directly to the current retro and techno vogue, but that is through happy coincidence, not design. If you don't like it, don't buy it - it will have been recommended because there are a LOT of TD fans who, like myself, think the world of Kraftwerk also. -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 9:43 am Subject: Re: Kraftwerk Konclusion :-) Really-From: 'Greg Heil' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Re: Kraftwerk Konclusion :-) > Date: Monday, June 02, 1997 1:45 AM > > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > > Okay so here's what I think about 'The MIX' > > It's Techno-Pop and it actually pops, beeps, and > > bubbles at you. Well.. cheesy comes to mind, > > but these are remixes I think. I am NOT happy > > about having six pages in an insert without > > and writing or origin of the artists or the songs. > > Either it's too much like playing on a touch > > tone phone (Pocket Calculator), or I'm missing the point about > > electronic music? > > > > I'll give Kraftwerk another try with an older album. > > > > Cold.. > > Computer Beeps.. > > > > Does Electronic Music have to symbolize it's origins of electronics? > > No! > > > > If we can forget that the sounds that we are listening to come from > > long plastic boxes, then the music has accomplished it's goal. > > TD accomplishes this. Kraftwerk makes the music's origins more > > appearant (from looking at just this one album). > > > > Greg... > > > Hmmm...I would suggest either Man Machine or Autobahn to start. The Mix > is really just a...er....dream mix for Kraftwerk. > > > Dano Thanks for the suggestion.. there are quite a few fans of this group, even the music manager of my local store here in town is a huge Kraftwerk fan. I'm just not too excited about The MIX album, although I do like the Autobahn track. I guess I'm looking for less of a digital sound remix of analouge sounds but something from the time when they sounds were new and the ideas were fascinating. I know I would like to hear a song composed about a Pocket Calculator or a Home Computer from 75' than from today! Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 10:00 am Subject: Re: Kraftwerk Konclusion :-) Really-From: 'Greg Heil' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Re: Kraftwerk Konclusion :-) > Date: Monday, June 02, 1997 1:52 AM > > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > > Okay so here's what I think about 'The MIX' > > It's Techno-Pop and it actually pops, beeps, and > > bubbles at you. Well.. cheesy comes to mind, > > but these are remixes I think. I am NOT happy > > about having six pages in an insert without > > and writing or origin of the artists or the songs. > > Either it's too much like playing on a touch > > tone phone (Pocket Calculator), or I'm missing the point about > > electronic music? > > Well, I'm afraid I'm going to have to bite, and back up the > boys in the band once again. > > > Cold.. > > Computer Beeps.. > > > > Does Electronic Music have to symbolize it's origins of electronics? > > No! > > But it _can_. > > Let me paraphrase your query... > > Does Electronic Music have to deny its origins in electronics ? > No ! > > > If we can forget that the sounds that we are listening to come from > > long plastic boxes, then the music has accomplished it's goal. > > Must the goal of music be to make long plastic boxes sound 'natural' > or 'human' ? I personally get really turned on (pun intended) by > purely electronic sounds. Analogue filter sweeps, geometrically > perfect sawtooth waveforms, metronomic timing - Yes ! DX7 FM sweeps, > natural instrument modelling, live drummers - No ! > Yes! But what I'm saying.. as a remixed album, I cannot take this album and compare it to the current crop of techno and say it's any better than that. I'm looking for something WITH analogue sounds--and yes.. perfect for it's time. > > TD accomplishes this. Kraftwerk makes the music's origins more > > appearant (from looking at just this one album). > > I think you might be missing the point. Kraftwerk are not trying > to BE 'The Robots'. They're not claiming to BE a production line > factory (if this isn't the English translation of 'Kraftwerk', > I'm sorry). What they're doing is producing music which sounds > bloody great to themselves (using their own human value > judgements) and which they think will appeal to others, hence > they release it. And there's no shortage of people ready to buy > their output. > I have only tried their current '91 album and I do want to try something from around '75 or '77. I personally think it's fascinating to write a song about a home computer or a pocket calculator from this time period! Why? Because we as human beings were just entering the age of technology.. home computers.. and yes, pocket calculators. Maybe the remixes didn't stand the test of time for me? > I reckon the _real_ sound of a pocket calculator (try listening > on an FM radio between the stations whilst pressing buttons on > your calculator beside it) is VERY VERY DULL. However, to > bring things full circle, it's interesting to note that the > first computer music was created after a computer scientist noted > the 'musical' quality of these electromagnetic emissions whilst he > was listening to his radio ! What album would you suggest I get? Trans Europe Express? Autobahn? I got quite a few suggestions from others. What value would it be to listen to the Dream Mixes without knowing what the original tracks sounded like? I do know this answer as I did not have 'Turn of the Tides' and the tracks on Dream Mixes that were from this album did not please me like any of the famililar tracks did. > It's the age-old trap (which I'm still guilty of falling into) of > using rational agruments to support your own likes and dislikes. > Kraftwerk get off on their own music and so do their fans. TD get > off on their own music and so do their fans. They are both of > exceptionally high quality, and both have stood the test of > time. Kraftwerk certainly appeal more directly to the current > retro and techno vogue, but that is through happy coincidence, not > design. If you don't like it, don't buy it - it will have been > recommended because there are a LOT of TD fans who, like myself, > think the world of Kraftwerk also. I didn't say I gave up on this group, in fact, I do like Autobahn (the track) very much as I have two versions of it.. right now I do, maybe not tomorrow when I trade The MIX in for something older by Kraftwerk. Greg... > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... > Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ > \______/ > /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' > -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 6:13 pm Subject: Desert Island Discs Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Anymore for the top ten Desert Island Discs? I have been recording the replies and compiling a results chart. I won't publish the results yet, in case there are any more to come in. So far I have responses from the following : Craig Cordrey, Sean Montgomery, Morgan Feldon, Scott Plumer, Stephan Bischoff, Kent E., Dano ?, Vik Rek, Dennis Nigbur, Steven Feldman, Grant Middleton, Steve McCready, Marcelo G., Gary Creswell, Graf Zeigner and Antonio Nunes. I'll post the results tomorrow, so if you want to vote but haven't, you have one more day! --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4692 Re: Desert Island Discs Mark Jones Fri 6/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 3:53 pm Subject: Re: Ethnic Samples (was: Enigma vs. TD & Vangelis) Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Sat, 31 May 1997 15:02:13 -0700 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: ajogon@m... > >When in >1996 TD released GC, it just sounded to me as 'deja vu'. Nowadays the >use of ethnic samples is over-explored, and IMHO Tangerine Dream didn't >make anything new or different in GC. Take for example Jean Michel >Jarre's Zoolook. Whenever you like or hate this album, you will agree >that Jarre made a different use of vocal samples in there, and so >Zoolook sounds unique. Goblin's Club on the other hand, mainy because of >the unfortunate choice of that vocal sample, sounds to me just like a >Enigma album. All my humble opinion, of course. I agree about 'ZooLook', it's a great album, just as excellent as 'Oxygene' or 'Equinoxe', just...very different. But as for 'Goblin's Club', I don't share your view that the whole album was based on the ethnic samples. Well yes, there's that UUUUH-AYEYIO sound on 'Towards the Evening Star'. And there's 'At Darwin's Motel', of course. I like it, other people don't...take it or leave it. But there's a whole lot more to GC than vocal samples - I don't think TD are going anywhere near Enigma's direction. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4499 Re: Ethnic Samples (was: Enigma vs. TD & Vangelis anunes@m... Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB 4503 Re: Ethnic Samples (was: Enigma vs. TD & Vangelis anunes@m... Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 3:43 pm Subject: Re: Consistency of TD Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Sat, 31 May 1997 00:42:47 -0400 (EDT) tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > >The history of TD has been >written and they have moved on to other things The music is still good, >though different. Only time will tell if the current music has any staying >power. I entirely agree. Do any of the veteran TD fans on the list remember public reactions to previous changes in TD style? I think it's quite possible that at some point, people's opinions were 'God, that Schmoelling bloke, he screws up the whole music. Wish we had Peter back', or 'I still don't know why they decided to drop the cello - it was such a vital element of their music', or 'Yuck, where do all these fragmented Exit and Thief tunes come from? In the old days, they used to play for hours on end'. Everyone has his/her TD styles of preference, and I certainly have mine. But you're right, only time can tell how _good_ and memorable the music actually is. Maybe in a few years' time, we'll hear ourselves saying 'Waaaahey, _Lily on the Beach_, that was a classic album!' Who knows? Personally, I don't think it's that bad at all. >Phil Naunton > >n.p. 'Logos' > >'Dominion, London. Thank you for being patient. Please welcome - > TANGERINE DREAM !! ' Now that _is_ a classic line. Brings the tears right up into my eyes... Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 10:59 am Subject: Shreeve Really-From: ashok prema From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 94 00:05:02 GMT Subject: Re: Mark Shreeve Really-From: Matt Williams >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) >Hi all, >>Really-From: Gabe Yedid >>I don't know what's not screwed on right in my head but I have just never >>been able to fathom the admiration for the music of Mark Shreeve that >>exists on the list. His music has always struck me as being just so >>incredibly cheesy and dated-sounding, but then again, I only have _Legion_ >>and >>_Crash Head_. (_Nocturne_ is totally unavailable around here.) I simply >>don't enjoy them and I wouldn't say there's anything remarkable at all about >>these albums. >. Yeah I have to agree with you Gabe...Cheesy is the word I would use for >Crashhead as well as utter crap.....I couldn't see the fuss about Shreeve >after hearing that,I then got Nocturne which is a hell of a lot better even >thought it has a 'few' chessey moments!. Sounds like your taste in well produced music is lacking somewhat here lads - irrespective of whether you like it or not, Shreeves music IS of a professional quality - backed by professional production - it may not be to your taste - but to call it 'crap' is undermining its professionalism - I suspect you fall into the same category of people who think Amstrad/Binatone produce quality hi-fi and are unable to appreciate true 'quality' - are you musicians by any chance?? - if so it would be most enlightening to hear what you are able to produce - just to see if you can match Shreeve either compositionally or on the production front. 'Those who can - do! Those who can't - criticise!' Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4510 Re: Shreeve Gabe Yedid Mon 6/2/1997 5 KB 4516 Re: Shreeve (DJS) Mon 6/2/1997 4 KB 4519 Re: Shreeve Vic Rek Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 11:38 am Subject: tadream-digest V15 #938 Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Subject: (.)(.)(.)(.) Compilations (.)(.)(.)(.) >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > >COMPILATIONS - Began like this......sometime near the beginning of May the [...] Hi Phil, thanks for the great compilation round-up! Oh, yeah, I think we might have forgotten one compilation... it's the re-issue of Alpha Centauri and Atem together as a double set ... Lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4771 Re: tadream-digest V15 #938 PNaunton@a... Sun 6/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 7:54 pm Subject: Re: Shreeve & the Spice Girls Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: ashok prema > > Sounds like your taste in well produced music is lacking somewhat here lads > - irrespective of whether you like it or not, Shreeves music IS of a > professional quality - backed by professional production - it may not be > to your taste - but to call it 'crap' is undermining its professionalism > - I suspect you fall into the same category of people who think > Amstrad/Binatone produce quality hi-fi and are unable to appreciate true > 'quality' - are you musicians by any chance?? - if so it would be most > enlightening to hear what you are able to produce - just to see if you can > match Shreeve either compositionally or on the production front. > > 'Those who can - do! Those who can't - criticise!' > > Ash Since you claim that professionals cannot produce 'crap' work, does that mean we can't call the Spice Girls 'crap'? Speaking as a non-musician, I can't see how that single word can be so problematic. How about 'rubbish', 'bad', 'poor', 'un-interesting', 'un-inspired', 'badly played'? I guess some of these are okay and others not? I am a computer professional, and know for a fact that other professionals do produce crap. Just look at all those cheap games you can buy that are Doom/Duke Nukem/Quake clones. Just because they are written by people who get paid for it doesn't make them good. And just because certain artists clone TD/Schulze/Froese/KW and get paid for it doesn't necessarily make what they do good either. And on the scale of quality, crap is a valid mark as far as I'm concerned. Bye, --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4517 Re: Shreeve & the Spice Girls Matt Williams Mon 6/2/1997 5 KB 4518 Re: Shreeve & the Spice Girls (DJS) Mon 6/2/1997 4 KB 4520 Re: Shreeve & the Spice Girls TangerineC@a... Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 12:30 pm Subject: Somnanbulistic Imagery Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' For those in the greater Montreal area, I went to 'Rock en Stock' on Crescent street this week-end and fond (and bought, of course, what do you think?) the 'Somnanbulistic Imagery' double CD boot. It is very expensive ($69.99 Canadian plus taxes, which works out to about $60 US) but the guy at the counter said that he *may* have another copy left (he said that he got 2 or 3 total). Now, if Claude or Gabe or whoever in the Montreal area may be interested manages to get to it, post that info on the list. If not, I will get back to the store next week-end and, if lucky, will have a copy to offer to some fortunate soul on this list. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4492 Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery Craig R. J. Cordrey Mon 6/2/1997 3 KB 4498 Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery Vincent Goudreault Mon 6/2/1997 3 KB 4504 Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery Craig R. J. Cordrey Mon 6/2/1997 3 KB 4508 Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery Vincent Goudreault Mon 6/2/1997 4 KB 4513 Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery (DJS) Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB 4515 Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery Vincent Goudreault Mon 6/2/1997 3 KB 4524 Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery feldon@n... Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB 4526 Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery TangerineC@a... Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB 4529 Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery Claude Roy Mon 6/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Nitpicky Stuff re VIDEO DREAM MIXES, OASIS, Australian GOBLINS' C Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi, All, A couple of questions. First, what exactly is on THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES? By this, I mean, is it the entirety of the US release set to a visual melange? does it have tracks not on THE DREAM MIXES? does it have different versions of any tracks? Does it have anything from the UK (second) CD? Second, I noticed that the writing and images on the versions of the OASIS CD and the Australian GOBLINS' CLUB CD that came from being sold on TD's European tour are black and white. Is this an indication of their being tour-specific special pressings? I ask this because the OASIS CD offered on the tour was stated as being a 'pre-release.' -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 9:29 pm Subject: Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Now, if Claude or Gabe or whoever in the Montreal area may be interested > manages to get to it, post that info on the list. If not, I will get back > to the store next week-end and, if lucky, will have a copy to offer to some > fortunate soul on this list. Is this really that hard to find over there? I see this quite often in the local Record Fair. Agreed it is quite expensive (stlg25), but if there's a definite market for it, I would pick up a copy of it next time I see it. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 9:47 pm Subject: Re: Re: Enigma vs. .. reply to Antonio Nunes Really-From: anunes@m... Andrew J. Rozsa wrote: << I never considered TD's GC in the category of ethnorock. Maybe I missed something. Although Michel Sanchez' 'Windows' smacks of TD, but certainly not GC. >> I don't consider GC in the category of ethnorock either. But it definitely contains some ethnic elements such as the female voice in 'At Darwin's Motel' and the use of a Balalaika in 'On Crane's Passage'. My point was just why had TD to approach world music if they didn't have anything new to add to this genre (IMHO). Another thing I don't like very much in GC is the diversity of styles. As I've already said on this list before, GC sounds to me just like a sampler of different artists, and not a concept album. Maybe I am missing the 'spirit' of this album? Thanks Andrew for your suggestions on Michel Sanchez/Deep Forest. I think I have a sample of one of his albums somewhere. I'll try to find it when I get home. Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4500 Re: Enigma vs. .. reply to Antonio Nunes TWeibre361@a... Mon 6/2/1997 3 KB 4549 Re: Enigma /Jorge Reyes/Carpathian..... Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 6/3/1997 3 KB 4548 Re: Enigma vs. .. reply to Antonio Nunes Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 6/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 3:08 pm Subject: RE: Trouble Finding Force Majeure Really-From: feldon@n... At 05:57 PM 6/1/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: jeffrey@i... > >>>Can anyone confirm this? The album cover is computer generated and looks >>>like waves and a landscape. There was no sticker saying SBM on the front, >>>but I did believe it said it on the back. I believe the re-issue date was >>>1994. I picked up this copy yesterday. It's not an SBM. I also ended up buying a non-SBM Phaedra. (my collection was nicked two months ago) The cover is predominantly purple. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 3:17 pm Subject: Re: Samples Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:53 AM 6/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > >On Sat, 31 May 1997 15:02:13 -0700 tadream mailing list > wrote: >>Really-From: ajogon@m... >> >But as for 'Goblin's Club', I don't share >your view that the whole album was based on the ethnic samples. Well yes, >there's that UUUUH-AYEYIO sound on 'Towards the Evening Star'. And >there's 'At Darwin's Motel', of course. I like it, other people don't...take it or >leave it. I think that 'Elf June and the Midnight Patrol' would have been a different song if they had had the boys choir actually sing the whole song instead of them using samples (at least that's what it sounds like to me---maybe these kids have more voice control to stop and start notes than I thought!) Morgan feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7711 Samples Ian Shillingford Mon 10/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 12:27 pm Subject: Re: Predictable Music (Slightly {more} off topic) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > Well, I don't know precisely what Dennis was trying to say there. > > If he responds, then perhaps you guys can trash it out. I got this > > started and I'll speak only for myself as it appears my motives are > > unclear. > > I don't think Phil was really putting you down, Mark. I personally had > a good chuckle at the play of words and I'd say that that was all that > Phil intended. > > Then again, maybe he's up for a square go in the parking lot. Are you > guys selling tickets ? Sure Grant. Only $100. Please send a money order right away. I'm running a UK special -- stlg 90. ;-) Accommodations and air fare extra of course. I know Phil wasn't putting me down. Maybe I'm just being a little too serious about the whole thing, but I just wanted to avoid flames from folk who didn't know what I was up to. We kick around opinions about TD's style, all very personal, without touching on objective measures of what it is about the various TD styles that riles us. Some folks have gotten their feelings hurt when their opinions got discounted. Really, there are many reasons people listen to music, and like blood chemistry and drugs, they're all different to various degrees. I've tried cocaine several times with absolutely no effect. But a very small amount of herb and I'm off blasting through extraterrestrial regions. Well, the War on 90s TD is like that. A little 'Rockoon' does nothing for some people while others are transported. My humor will return. I'm planning a trip to the Catskills. Adios -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 2:06 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > Anymore for the top ten Desert Island Discs? ... Okay, here's mine: Rawkoon Zyclone Obstacle Race Electronic Medication 3 O'Clock Sigh Dreamtime Tyranny of Beatty Lily in the Ditch Dreaming on Danforth Avenue Near Dark Shy People -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 2:52 pm Subject: Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 2, 2:29pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > > Now, if Claude or Gabe or whoever in the Montreal area may be interested > > manages to get to it, post that info on the list. If not, I will get back > > to the store next week-end and, if lucky, will have a copy to offer to some > > fortunate soul on this list. > > Is this really that hard to find over there? I see this > quite often in the local Record Fair. Agreed it is quite > expensive (stlg25), but if there's a definite market for it, I > would pick up a copy of it next time I see it. > Well, you tell me Craig. I've never seen it before, anywhere. It is my understanding that only a limited number (~500) were put out. Is it true? And, at stlg25, the price is lower than what I paid for it. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 10:55 pm Subject: Re: Re: Ethnic Samples (was: Enigma vs. TD & Vangelis) Really-From: anunes@m... Dennis Nigbur wrote: << But as for 'Goblin's Club', I don't share your view that the whole album was based on the ethnic samples. >> Yes, I guess I exaggerated on this. I find the similarity to Enigma only in 'Towards the Evening Star', not in the whole album. << But there's a whole lot more to GC than vocal samples - I don't think TD are going anywhere near Enigma's direction. >> I would say that TD in GC are going in many directions, but not far enough in any of them. Antonio Nunes