From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 3:03 pm Subject: Re: Enigma vs. .. reply to Antonio Nunes Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-06-01 04:12:21 EDT, you write: << Have you had a chance to listen to Michel Sanchez' (aka Deep Forest) stuff? I am exploring Enigma for the very first time because I loved his albums (and the Australian boot) he put out. Some CD service states that Enigma is in the same category. (BTW, the fact that the vocals on 'Boheme' are done by a Hungarian lady -- Marta Sebestyen, on a Transylvanian theme -- my roots, just added to the pleasure). I never considered TD's GC in the category of ethnorock. Maybe I missed something. Although Michel Sanchez' 'Windows' smacks of TD, but certainly not GC. Thanks for the lead on Jorge Reyes. >> not that i am against the use of samples, or people who like them in their music, but i hope everyone also takes the time to search out where those samples came from...my life in the bush of ghosts, for example, opened my ears to the muslim call to prayer, and then on to qwaali...deep forest's first album put me on the search for recordings of the african pygmies and now im searching for more music from the carpathian area...im ambivalent about enigma but at least he annotates his sources and did put those monks to good use...cant remember if td footnoted their sources on GC...btw, jorge reyes is a genius, and if still in print check out his collaboration with jorge zepeda 'a la izquierda del colibri'...excellent... tom w np: solar quest - orgship Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4549 Re: Enigma /Jorge Reyes/Carpathian..... Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 6/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 2:56 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > Anymore for the top ten Desert Island Discs? ... Okay, okay. Serious and in no particular order: Pergamon/Quichotte Poland Logos Encore Livemiles (... no comment) Hyperborea Underwater Sunlight Le Parc Rubycon Zeit Moody sob, aren't I? -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 11:06 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > Okay, here's mine: > > Rawkoon > Zyclone > Obstacle Race > Electronic Medication > 3 O'Clock Sigh > Dreamtime > Tyranny of Beatty > Lily in the Ditch > Dreaming on Danforth Avenue > Near Dark Shy People << Buzz Lightyear mode ON>> 'You're mocking me. Aren't you?' <> (Sorry, Grant!) --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 11:11 pm Subject: Re: Re: Ethnic Samples (was: Enigma vs. TD & Vangelis) Really-From: anunes@m... Just a correction to my last message. Obviously the track I find similar to Enigma is 'At Darwin's Motel', and not 'Towards the Evening Star'. Anton Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 11:09 pm Subject: Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > Well, you tell me Craig. I've never seen it before, anywhere. It is my > understanding that only a limited number (~500) were put out. Is it true? > > And, at stlg25, the price is lower than what I paid for it. I don't about it being a limited edition of only 500. Of course, maybe the times I've seen it the Record Fair - maybe it's always been the same one and no-ones ever bought it. It appears on different stalls, but maybe these dealers swap stuff to keep their stock fluid? Anyway, if I ever see a copy anywhere ever again, I'll buy it and offer it (Mark F. has first shout). --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 3:31 pm Subject: d:addendum, week of June 2 Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> D: List, Addendum; Week of June 2 Video Dream Mixes. Enjoy! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4766 Re: d:addendum, week of June 2 PNaunton@a... Sun 6/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 3:37 pm Subject: Re: Giv'n Kraftwerk a Try... Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-06-02 00:30:52 EDT, you write: << I'm trying Kraftwerk today.. 'The Mix' >> glad to see ur taking the plunge but just like the last thread on the orb, please dont let this one disc totally influence ur opinion...try 'radioactivity' next...im sure other kw fans will give u other opinions... tom w np: orb - asylum remixes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 3:43 pm Subject: Re: Predictable Music (Slightly {more} off topic) Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-06-02 01:43:27 EDT, you write: << If they have nothing, then the assumption is that have strayed in from some cold, dark place (FAX Records? Rather Interesting? Fathom?) >> huh? fax and ri 'cold and dark'? ...or are u comparing ur perception of these labels output (over 250 discs) to tds music? just curious... tom w np: organic cloud (fax) ...suddenly got kinda chilly... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 3:54 pm Subject: Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 2, 4:09pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > > > Well, you tell me Craig. I've never seen it before, anywhere. It is my > > understanding that only a limited number (~500) were put out. Is it true? > > > > And, at stlg25, the price is lower than what I paid for it. > > I don't about it being a limited edition of only 500. Of > course, maybe the times I've seen it the Record Fair - > maybe it's always been the same one and no-ones ever bought > it. It appears on different stalls, but maybe these dealers > swap stuff to keep their stock fluid? > > Anyway, if I ever see a copy anywhere ever again, I'll buy > it and offer it (Mark F. has first shout). > > Well, let's see if there is interest. Is there anyone on the list who had: - problems finding 'Somnanbulistic Imagery' - would like to have it - have additional information about it (i.e. number of copies made) The 500 number was quoted by the guy at 'Rock en Stock'. For the record, 'Somnanbulistic Imagery' is a 2 CD bootleg of a US concert (I believe early June) of the 1986 tour, which coincided with the release of Underwater Sunlight. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 4:12 pm Subject: Somnabulistic Imagery 2 Really-From: Vic Rek Can anyone comment on a CD-R issue of Somnabulistic Imagery 2? I've heard rumors about it but I have not received any details. Since the original release is already 2 CDs, I wonder what a Part 2 would contain (if even from the same show). Anybody have this? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 4:53 pm Subject: Re: Shreeve Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: ashok prema > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > Date: Sun, 2 Jan 94 00:05:02 GMT > Subject: Re: Mark Shreeve > > Really-From: Matt Williams > > >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > > >Hi all, > > >>Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > >>I don't know what's not screwed on right in my head but I have just never > >>been able to fathom the admiration for the music of Mark Shreeve that > >>exists on the list. His music has always struck me as being just so > >>incredibly cheesy and dated-sounding, but then again, I only have _Legion_ > >>and > >>_Crash Head_. (_Nocturne_ is totally unavailable around here.) I simply > >>don't enjoy them and I wouldn't say there's anything remarkable at all about > >>these albums. > > > > > >. Yeah I have to agree with you Gabe...Cheesy is the word I would use for > >Crashhead as well as utter crap.....I couldn't see the fuss about Shreeve > >after hearing that,I then got Nocturne which is a hell of a lot better even > >thought it has a 'few' chessey moments!. > > > Sounds like your taste in well produced music is lacking somewhat here lads > - irrespective of whether you like it or not, Shreeves music IS of a > professional quality - backed by professional production - it may not be > to your taste - but to call it 'crap' is undermining its professionalism > - I suspect you fall into the same category of people who think > Amstrad/Binatone produce quality hi-fi and are unable to appreciate true > 'quality' - are you musicians by any chance?? - if so it would be most > enlightening to hear what you are able to produce - just to see if you can > match Shreeve either compositionally or on the production front. > > 'Those who can - do! Those who can't - criticise!' > > Ash > Now hold on a sec. Does this mean that, just because I don't compose music, this absolves me of the right to criticize another's work? So I'm not entitled to my low opinion of Mozart's work, either, because I'm not a transcendent musical genius? To try and put down two birds with one stone: To Dave Hughes: what I meant by 'dated' had nothing to do with the synths Mark used, it had more to do with his tendencies towards trite disco-esque and '80s synth-poppy melodies, neither of which I felt were done particularly well. To Ash: you can put all the production values you like into a work, but if it is still artistically void, the high-end production is just so much veneer. Simply making an album as clean and with as many stereo/quad gizmo-ey effects as you can cram into it does not good music make. To be more precise, I found those 2 Shreeve albums to be lacking in musical inspiration and emotional impact. And I am an acoustic musician, in case I hadn't told you before--I play bass clarinet. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 4:58 pm Subject: Somnambulistic Imagery in Montreal Really-From: Gabe Yedid I've already got a tape copy of this boot, and don't have $70 to drop on the CDs. Anyone else who wants at it? Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 5:07 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs Really-From: Rakinik Intertype tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > Okay, here's mine: > > > > Rawkoon > > Zyclone > > Obstacle Race > > Electronic Medication > > 3 O'Clock Sigh > > Dreamtime > > Tyranny of Beatty > > Lily in the Ditch > > Dreaming on Danforth Avenue > > Near Dark Shy People > --------- Is that Tyranny of Beatty?....as in Ned Beatty? heh heh Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4521 Re: Desert Island Discs Martin Fellis Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB 4523 Re: Desert Island Discs Jens Peschke Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB 4532 Re: Desert Island Discs BSphar@a... Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB 4546 Desert Island Discs Kenneth W. Beal Tue 6/3/1997 2 KB 4566 Re: Desert Island Discs Brian_Kirby@p... Tue 6/3/1997 2 KB 4600 Re: Desert Island Discs Mark Filipak Wed 6/4/1997 3 KB 4629 Re: Desert Island Discs PhilPDX@a... Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB 4833 Re: Desert Island Discs PNaunton@a... Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 5:13 pm Subject: Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery Really-From: '(DJS)' > > For the record, 'Somnanbulistic Imagery' is a 2 CD bootleg of a US concert > (I believe early June) of the 1986 tour, which coincided with the release of > Underwater Sunlight. > > C.B. Vincent Goudreault > online since early 93, TD fan since 77 > first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet 6/6/86 to be exact. I was there! It rocked too, except for all the littered programs at the end of the show (sob sob). Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 5:26 pm Subject: Re: Mark Shreeve Really-From: Gary Davis At 02:00 AM 6/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >> I only have _Legion_ and >>_Crash Head_. (_Nocturne_ is totally unavailable around here.) If anyone is having trouble finding 'Nocturne', you can find it at The Artist Shop. In fact, you'll find that as well as the entire catalog for Christopher Franke's Sonic Images label along with cover graphics and soundbites at . Hope you'll stop by. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad@a... SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 5:45 pm Subject: Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 2, 10:13am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery > Really-From: '(DJS)' > > > 6/6/86 to be exact. I was there! It rocked too, except for all the > littered programs at the end of the show (sob sob). > > Dano Really? I attended the Montreal show of the same tour, a few weeks before. It really ruined me as I then had trouble listening to 'Dolphin Dance' at anything but full blast (to recreate the atmosphere) for the next couple of months. Boy, that show was something! C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 5:48 pm Subject: Re: Shreeve Really-From: '(DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: ashok prema > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > Date: Sun, 2 Jan 94 00:05:02 GMT > Subject: Re: Mark Shreeve > > Really-From: Matt Williams > > >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > >Hi all, > > >>Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > >>I don't know what's not screwed on right in my head but I have just never > >>been able to fathom the admiration for the music of Mark Shreeve that > >>exists on the list. His music has always struck me as being just so > >>incredibly cheesy and dated-sounding, but then again, I only have _Legion_ > >>and > >>_Crash Head_. (_Nocturne_ is totally unavailable around here.) I simply > >>don't enjoy them and I wouldn't say there's anything remarkable at all about > >>these albums. > > >. Yeah I have to agree with you Gabe...Cheesy is the word I would use for > >Crashhead as well as utter crap.....I couldn't see the fuss about Shreeve > >after hearing that,I then got Nocturne which is a hell of a lot better even > >thought it has a 'few' chessey moments!. > > Sounds like your taste in well produced music is lacking somewhat here lads > - irrespective of whether you like it or not, Shreeves music IS of a > professional quality - backed by professional production - it may not be > to your taste - but to call it 'crap' is undermining its professionalism > - I suspect you fall into the same category of people who think > Amstrad/Binatone produce quality hi-fi and are unable to appreciate true > 'quality' - are you musicians by any chance?? - if so it would be most > enlightening to hear what you are able to produce - just to see if you can > match Shreeve either compositionally or on the production front. > > 'Those who can - do! Those who can't - criticise!' > > Ash Yeah! Well said Ash! (Dano points his finger) Hey Ash, what's it like having a chainsaw for a hand? Heh er...sorry. Bad joke. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Shreeve & the Spice Girls Really-From: Matt Williams >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' >> Really-From: ashok prema >> >> Sounds like your taste in well produced music is lacking somewhat here lads >> - irrespective of whether you like it or not, Shreeves music IS of a >> professional quality - backed by professional production - it may not be >> to your taste - but to call it 'crap' is undermining its professionalism >> - I suspect you fall into the same category of people who think >> Amstrad/Binatone produce quality hi-fi and are unable to appreciate true >> 'quality' - are you musicians by any chance?? - if so it would be most >> enlightening to hear what you are able to produce - just to see if you can >> match Shreeve either compositionally or on the production front. >> >> 'Those who can - do! Those who can't - criticise!' >> >> Ash >Since you claim that professionals cannot produce 'crap' >work, does that mean we can't call the Spice Girls 'crap'? >Speaking as a non-musician, I can't see how that single >word can be so problematic. How about 'rubbish', 'bad', >'poor', 'un-interesting', 'un-inspired', 'badly played'? I >guess some of these are okay and others not? >I am a computer professional, and know for a fact that >other professionals do produce crap. Just look at all those >cheap games you can buy that are Doom/Duke Nukem/Quake >clones. Just because they are written by people who get >paid for it doesn't make them good. >And just because certain artists clone TD/Schulze/Froese/KW >and get paid for it doesn't necessarily make what they do >good either. And on the scale of quality, crap is a valid >mark as far as I'm concerned. >Bye, >--------------------------------------------- >Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer >GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems >Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) >mailto : cordrey@m... >--------------------------------------------- Thanks Craig You saved me the trouble of writing an email..... When I described Crash Head as 'crap' I was just giving my opinion,ok I am not a musician so does that make my views worthless??? I pay good money for CDs,I have ears....if I think something sounds 'crap' I'm gonna god well say it and I don't care what anyone else thinks....my opinion isn't worth any less then anyone else on this list and likewise it isn't superior to anyone else on here. When I heard Crashhead it just made me cringe,ok it might be a well produced album but it doesn't make it a good album....musicaly it sounded 'crap' or if you prefer...poor.......just use any word that means I dislike Crash Head!. Matt...... MATTHEW WILLIAMS EMAIL: matt@s... 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 5:54 pm Subject: Re: Shreeve & the Spice Girls Really-From: '(DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > Really-From: ashok prema > > > > Sounds like your taste in well produced music is lacking somewhat here lads > > - irrespective of whether you like it or not, Shreeves music IS of a > > professional quality - backed by professional production - it may not be > > to your taste - but to call it 'crap' is undermining its professionalism > > - I suspect you fall into the same category of people who think > > Amstrad/Binatone produce quality hi-fi and are unable to appreciate true > > 'quality' - are you musicians by any chance?? - if so it would be most > > enlightening to hear what you are able to produce - just to see if you can > > match Shreeve either compositionally or on the production front. > > > > 'Those who can - do! Those who can't - criticise!' > > > > Ash > Since you claim that professionals cannot produce 'crap' > work, does that mean we can't call the Spice Girls 'crap'? > Speaking as a non-musician, I can't see how that single > word can be so problematic. How about 'rubbish', 'bad', > 'poor', 'un-interesting', 'un-inspired', 'badly played'? I > guess some of these are okay and others not? > > I am a computer professional, and know for a fact that > other professionals do produce crap. Just look at all those > cheap games you can buy that are Doom/Duke Nukem/Quake > clones. Just because they are written by people who get > paid for it doesn't make them good. > > And just because certain artists clone TD/Schulze/Froese/KW > and get paid for it doesn't necessarily make what they do > good either. And on the scale of quality, crap is a valid > mark as far as I'm concerned. > > Bye, > Actually, Mark wrote and produced some songs for Samantha Fox (as well as performed) and some of them were in fact number one hits I believe. You hardly make someone a superstar by producing 'crap'. To say that Mark's producing skills are bad is to say that THX sound just isn't loud enough. You can say you dislike his music...but Mark's producing is right on pilgrim. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 6:08 pm Subject: Re: Shreeve Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: ashok prema >'Those who can - do! Those who can't - criticise!' I don't agree with the above statement. It's more like: Those who can - do and critique! Those who can't - have an opinion (and it may be critical)! Also, those who can - do not have to choose to do... Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 6:20 pm Subject: Re: Shreeve & the Spice Girls Really-From: TangerineC@a... O.k. first it was TD and the Spice Girls and now it's Shreeve and the Spice Girls???? There is absolutley no connection. I wonder when this list will be talking about TD again. Lately, I've been deleting half of my mail I get from this list, because of this reason. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 6:50 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs Really-From: 'Martin Fellis' Here are my top 10 desert island TD discs (alphabetical order) Canyon Dreams Cyclone Encore Force Majeure Pergamon Poland Logos Richocet The Dream Mixes Thief Martin Fellis Newcastle, UK > I'll post the results tomorrow, so if you want to vote but > haven't, you have one more day! > > --------------------------------------------- > Craig R. J. Cordrey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: AUCTION results and feedback Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) The auction is over... some results stats : bidders : 8 (only ??) items sold : 26 of 58 (only ??, damn !) total winning sum : DM 2344.- (no details,as a bulk bid took most) Winners have been notified seperately. I plan to shed off the rest of my extensive swap bin by the end of the year. Reason is, there have almost been zero chances to _swap_ anything from it during the past three years, so I might as well re-transform it into cash. There is no intention to get more than current dealer prices for the 'current' items, but I expect some old rarities to sell for enough to enable me to make competitive bids for stuff that I'm still looking for. It's a pity, but the 'swap approach' hasn't worked out for me. Then again, I'm a special case, my wantlist consists solely of super-rarities. I'd like to offer my auction list through all major fanzines, that's Dream Collector, Voyager and BTH, and maybe even through the TD homepage. I intend to donate 10% of the final cash flow to a good cause. Maybe I'll try to talk TD into selecting one. So, here I am asking you for some feedback about how such an auction should be done. Some very specific questions follow, but any general advice will be welcome. RULES Detailed auction rules, or are the two paragraphs I gave for this one enough ? Was anybody turned off bidding by uncertainity ? AUCTION TYPE Open or silent auction ? 'Open' means that everybody can always ask for the current highest bid. I hadn't specified the type, so, again, was anybody turned off bidding by uncertainity ? (I know that at least ONE answer is YES, because he just assumed it must be silent) 'ENGLISH AUCTION' This is a german expression for a special auction rule when multiple copies of the item are available. It means that all winners get their item for the 'lowest winning bid'. Example: two copies available, bids come in for $10, $12, $14, and $20 from four different parties. $10 and $12 are out, $14 is the 'lowest winning bid'. So both he and the $20 bidder get their item for $14. Attractive or not ? Is there a common english expression for this process ? MINIMUM BIDS I gave no minimum bids for this auction, relying on common sense. I was very disappointed that some people wasted my time with ridiculous bids. Then again, not giving them might have turned some people off. Is that true ? (No, just the interest in a current price list of old rarities is not good enough a reason...) DURATION I want to spread the chances of getting access to my collection as widely and fairly as possible. Thus, I want the ad to appear in all major fanzines and in general auction publications like Goldmine or Oldie Markt. To match this, the auction will probably open in August and close Dec 1, so that everyone can have his wins under the Xmas tree. Also, some of my offers will need potential bidders to save for a few months to be able to place competitive bids. Is this a turnoff or not ? GENERAL should I keep all this together, just to keep the spectrum of the offer as wide as possible (about three times as much as offered on this auction) or divide it up into : * a short-term, set-sale list for 'current' stuff * a short-term, limited distribution auction for 'rarities' * and the intended long-term, full distribution auction just for the 'super-rarities' ? Again, feedback is welcome... -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 7:17 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > I'll post the results tomorrow, so if you want to vote but > haven't, you have one more day! I love last day votes ;-) TD 10 CD Phaedra Ricochet Encore Force Majeure (my first experience) Tangram White Eagle (my first live experience) Canyon Dreams (Desert Island music) 220 Volt Dream Mixes Oasis 10 CD - one per artist TD: Ricochet KS: X Mind~flux: Trancefloor Goettsching: E2-E4 PF: DSOTM J.S.Bach: concerts for two cembali Oldfield: Hergest Ridge Dead Can Dance: Into the labyrinth Ketil Bjornstad: Water Stories Donald Fagen: The Nightfly Jens Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 9:57 pm Subject: Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:54 AM 6/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > >Well, let's see if there is interest. Is there anyone on the list who had: > >- problems finding 'Somnanbulistic Imagery' >- would like to have it >- have additional information about it (i.e. number of copies made) > >The 500 number was quoted by the guy at 'Rock en Stock'. > >For the record, 'Somnanbulistic Imagery' is a 2 CD bootleg of a US concert >(I believe early June) of the 1986 tour, which coincided with the release of >Underwater Sunlight. Then you might want to wait for Harrogate 1986 2CD which will be going for about $40. Morgan Marks feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 9:09 pm Subject: Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-06-02 10:09:46 EDT, you write: > The cover is >predominantly purple. This is the Griffin version. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4530 Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure Greg Heil Mon 6/2/1997 2 KB 4552 Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure Jens Peschke Tue 6/3/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 9:07 pm Subject: Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-06-02 13:27:59 EDT, you write: >Anyway, if I ever see a copy anywhere ever again, I'll buy >it and offer it (Mark F. has first shout). Oh gee, thanks. That's fair. :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 9:12 pm Subject: Re: Kraftwerk Konclusion :-) Really-From: 'Greg Heil' I'll have to admit that when listening to The MIX over headphones was about the most trancing experience I've had in quite a while. I really like the high quality of the music and the amount of work that went into this. I'm sorry to say that I have a soft spot for Compterlove as listening to this at 4 in the morning alone.. and yes the darn 'puter is my love life as my social sessions through chatting is my social and love life! Love through the computer? Yeah.. sad isn't it? Just another electronic music fan without a girl... Greg... *in depressed mode* From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 9:21 pm Subject: On topics Really-From: David Datta A gentle reminder to keep things to TD... There are other forums to discuss the other artists... -Dave P.S. I recognize that the Spice Girls threads were on topic. Just the Subject line itself was off-topic. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4537 Re: On topics TangerineC@a... Tue 6/3/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 9:33 pm Subject: Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery Really-From: Claude Roy At 13:45 97-06-02 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > >On Jun 2, 10:13am, tadream mailing list wrote: >> Subject: Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery >> Really-From: '(DJS)' >> >> >> 6/6/86 to be exact. I was there! It rocked too, except for all the >> littered programs at the end of the show (sob sob). >> >> Dano > >Really? I attended the Montreal show of the same tour, a few weeks before. >It really ruined me as I then had trouble listening to 'Dolphin Dance' at >anything but full blast (to recreate the atmosphere) for the next couple of >months. Boy, that show was something! > > > C.B. Vincent Goudreault > online since early 93, TD fan since 77 > first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet > > Well Vincent, I will drop by Rock en Stock for this one. Expensive but worth it. I have it on tape too. So 70$ for it, well a lot of money but I'll go for it!! Ouf!! I hope that they have some left. ___________________________________________________________ Claude Roy, Longueuil P.Q. Canada e-mail: e-mail: (site génie civil) (site cinema) ____________________________________________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 10:05 pm Subject: Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Thanks to everyone who helped me solve my problem of finding Force Majeure. Now lets count.. 5 versions? Nah.. SBM? I think so, but only in England. The Griffin version is not SBM and has a different cover. The Virgin version.. maybe the same as the Griffin? also does not have SBM and has a different cover--and I assume neither of these are the 'definative edition.' So did Virgin release a SBM version through Caroline? I'm waiting for that version :-) Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 10:12 pm Subject: RE: (.)(.)(.)(.) Compilations (.)(.)(.)(.) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >List Member with the most compilations - Lars - 19 Is anyone on this list surprised? I'm not. :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 10:26 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs Really-From: BSphar@a... Here's my votes: TD Top 10 Thief White Eagle Legend Poland Canyon Dreams Miracle Mile Shy People L'Affaire Wallraff (The Man Inside) Green Desert Exit Brian Sphar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 10:30 pm Subject: Three Phase Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I ordered Three Phase ast week from CDNow, and got it today. I watch about 10 minutes of it before I had to go to work. :-( My first impression was that they focussed on Zlatko way to much. Granted, he is the lead performer at that point, but after a couple seconds he's just not that interesting. I'd much rather have seen the whole stage setup from the audience's point of view. When I saw them in '92, it was in the round, and they didn't have the rear projection screen. The video for Treasure of Innocence was. . . well, not very interesting, but the one for Dolls in the Shadow was really cool. Why can't they show stuff like this on VH-1? During the Dolls video, my 5-year-old son said 'Hey daddy, that's like the cover of one of your CD's!' (They were riding the bikes around the desert) Oriental Haze was the last one I saw. I'll give more impressions as I watch more of it. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4534 Re: Three Phase Yorrick Bowswane of Denmark Tue 6/3/1997 3 KB 4535 Re: Three Phase Dennis Nigbur Tue 6/3/1997 3 KB 4550 Re: Three Phase Matt Williams Tue 6/3/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 10:52 pm Subject: Re: Three Phase Really-From: Yorrick Bowswane of Denmark > My first impression was that they focussed on Zlatko way to much. I suspect that one reason Zlatko and Linda were brought in for that tour was to provide some 'eye candy'. Having someone up front playing in a way that the audience can see gives the camera a place to go. > but the one for Dolls in the Shadow was really cool. Why can't they show > stuff like this on VH-1? The footage here comes from a video for the song 'Melrose' that the band made, but which never got aired as far as I know. Shots taken on the day of the shoot were used on the album cover. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 4:13 am Subject: Re: Three Phase Really-From: Dennis Nigbur Three Phase...I haven't seen the video in a long time, and as I don't have a telly at the moment, I can't really do anything except rely on my recollection. It is true that the video focuses on the guitar player far too much. The problem is that he doesn't seem to play any instruments except the guitar, unlike Linda, who plays the keyboards as well as the sax. Therefore, he has some passages re-written particularly for him, or just stands around doing nothing (the same thing is happening on the European tour at the moment!). Hence, _when_ he plays, the focus is on him. I think that Edgar and Jerome are too much in the background, really. I thought that the 'Treasure of Innocence' and 'Dolls in the Shadow' videos are quite boring. 'Phaedra' is rather nice (colourful animations of the hypnotic kind), and 'Oriental Haze' is my favourite clip...very energetic and, say, 'ambient'. As far as the live bits are concerned, I reckon the most memorable thing is Edgar's guitar solo on 'Hamlet' and the reaction of the audience. The rest is extremely interesting and certainly very well edited (by some bloke whose name I forgot , but who seems to have quite a good reputation), but I wouldn't remember anything majorly spectacular. The 'Logos' re-make at the end (with Jerome as a little child!!!) just makes my eyes water... overall quite a nice blend of vintage clips and contemporary live recordings - I'd give it roughly 3-4 out of five. (Sorry for not being very specific, as I said, I haven't watched the video for about half a year) Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4550 Re: Three Phase Matt Williams Tue 6/3/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Three Phase >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 18:30:00 -0400 >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >I ordered Three Phase ast week from CDNow, and got it today. [...] Lucky you! Two weeks ago, when I went to my local Tower Records looking for the VIDEO DREAM MIXES, the guy in the New Age department said that TD only had two videos that he knew of--CANYON DREAMS and THREE PHASE--and that THREE PHASE was out-of-print. I've got the THREE PHASE laserdisk. Should I try to obtain the CANYON DREAMS laserdisk, too, or should I hold off since 12' laser will be going the way of the dodo and the 8-track soon (to make way for 3 1/2' laser, whatever it's called)? -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4540 Re: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! feldon@n... Tue 6/3/1997 2 KB 4541 Re: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! Plumer, Scott Tue 6/3/1997 2 KB 4543 Re: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! Greg Heil Tue 6/3/1997 2 KB 4545 Re: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! feldon@n... Tue 6/3/1997 2 KB 4551 Re: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! BSphar@a... Tue 6/3/1997 2 KB 4557 Re: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! Pixel Tue 6/3/1997 2 KB 4560 Re: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! Greg Heil Tue 6/3/1997 3 KB 4561 Re: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! Vincent Goudreault Tue 6/3/1997 3 KB 4606 Re: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! Mark Filipak Wed 6/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 11:16 pm Subject: Re: On topics Really-From: TangerineC@a... Thank you Dave, for bringing this to everyones attention. Hopefully it'll work. Thanks again. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 11:14 pm Subject: Soundtracks a-go-go! Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I took a look at SuperCollector, and WOW! Am I glad my Visa's paid up! (Or maybe I'm not) They had just about everything, soundtrack-wise, except Zoning and Oasis. But they had one special title that I put at the bottom of my list to keep you all in suspense. Here's what they had, with prices in US dollars: 3 O'Clock High 16 Bab 5 v.1 & 2 16 each Catch Me if you Can 20 DSP 17 Deadly Care 17 Dream Music 1 & 2 15 each Firestarter 12 Flashpoint 16 New Music for Film (CF) 16 The London Concert (CF) 16 Heartbreakers 20 Legend 17 Miracle Mile 12 Near Dark UK - 17, US - 15 The Park is Mine 16 Risky B 20 Shy People 17 Sorceror 12 Thief 20 Wavelength 15 and. . . THE KEEP!!! Publisher is listed as Tsunami, and it says 'Re-recorded' after the title. Price is 25. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4554 Re: Soundtracks a-go-go! (DJS) Tue 6/3/1997 3 KB 4571 Re: Soundtracks a-go-go! Robin Esterhammer Tue 6/3/1997 3 KB 4556 Re: Soundtracks a-go-go! TangerineC@a... Tue 6/3/1997 2 KB 4575 Re: Soundtracks a-go-go! Plumer, Scott Tue 6/3/1997 2 KB 4581 Re: Soundtracks a-go-go! TangerineC@a... Tue 6/3/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 11:02 pm Subject: Somnanbulistic Imagery Really-From: gilmore@g... TA>For those in the greater Montreal area, I went to 'Rock en Stock' on Crescen TA>street this week-end and fond (and bought, of course, what do you think?) TA>the 'Somnanbulistic Imagery' double CD boot. It is very expensive ($69.99 TA>Canadian plus taxes, which works out to about $60 US) but the guy at the TA>counter TA>said that he *may* have another copy left (he said that he got 2 or 3 total) What is this album? :) Graham Gilmore A fellow Montrealer /**********************************************************/ /* Mirabel */ /* gilmore@g... */ /* */ /* Sent from The GameMaster */ /**********************************************************/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 12:43 am Subject: Re: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! Really-From: feldon@n... At 07:01 PM 6/2/97 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > I've got the THREE PHASE laserdisk. Should I try to obtain the >CANYON DREAMS laserdisk, too, or should I hold off since 12' laser >will be going the way of the dodo and the 8-track soon (to make way >for 3 1/2' laser, whatever it's called)? 5 1/2' laser is called DVD. There is no 3 1/2' DVD is MPEG-2 compressed, and to my discerning/professional eyes, looks like crap. I'd rather have Laserdisc! Morgan Marks feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 11:33 pm Subject: RE: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >THREE PHASE--and that THREE PHASE was out-of-print. They _did_ charge me an extra fee for 'low stock.' So he may be right. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 11:47 pm Subject: RE: Somnanbulistic Imagery Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > What is this album? :) It's a bootleg. Do your favorite band a favor and copy it from someone. Don't buy it. :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 11:53 pm Subject: Re: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! Really-From: 'Greg Heil' >...or should I hold off since 12' laser > will be going the way of the dodo and the 8-track soon (to make way > for 3 1/2' laser, whatever it's called)? DVD Digital Video Disc (pretty much a CD with thinner grooves) Expensive.. and the discs are expensive too. Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 12:04 am Subject: Zoning question Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Could some kind soul privately send me the discographical info on Zoning? Tracks, times, publisher, etc. Thanks. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4768 Re: Zoning question PNaunton@a... Sun 6/8/1997 2 KB 4777 Re: Zoning question Mark Filipak Mon 6/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 1:25 am Subject: Re: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! Really-From: feldon@n... At 04:53 PM 6/2/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > >>...or should I hold off since 12' laser >> will be going the way of the dodo and the 8-track soon (to make way >> for 3 1/2' laser, whatever it's called)? > >DVD Digital Video Disc (pretty much a CD with thinner grooves) >Expensive.. and the discs are expensive too. No more expensive than a good VCR was 3 years ago. $500 for a decent one. The discs should be the same price as laserdiscs. $25-$35 Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 12:46 am Subject: Desert Island Discs Really-From: 'Kenneth W. Beal' In no special order: Cyclone Destination Berlin Miracle Mile Thief Canyon Dreams Melrose Dream Mixes Stratosfear Poland Pergamon C-Ya, Ken From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 12:49 am Subject: CD Sale Really-From: 'Kenneth W. Beal' I've got some Shreeve as well as others. For your very own list, contact me at the address below. Ken kwb10@l... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28852 CD Sale Jeffrey Au Yeung Thu 8/30/2001 2 KB 28853 CD Sale Jeffrey Au Yeung Thu 8/30/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 1:28 am Subject: Re: Re: Enigma vs. .. reply to Antonio Nunes Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 02:47 PM 6/2/97 GMT, you wrote: >Really-From: anunes@m... > >I don't consider GC in the category of ethnorock either. But it definitely >contains some ethnic elements such as the female voice in 'At Darwin's Motel' >and the use of a Balalaika in 'On Crane's Passage'. My point was just why had >TD to approach world music if they didn't have anything new to add to this >genre (IMHO). Another thing I don't like very much in GC is the diversity of >styles. As I've already said on this list before, GC sounds to me just like a >sampler of different artists, and not a concept album. Maybe I am missing the >'spirit' of this album? That's just the point! There is NO spirit, no theme. One can call a piece anything one wants to, but is the piece evocative of the images the title is supposed to convey or was inspired by? I think you are reacting like me: emotionally, not rationally. My reason for listening to music is to feel. Anything, but nothingness. For the latter I read Sartre or Camus. :-( >Thanks Andrew for your suggestions on Michel Sanchez/Deep Forest. I think I >have a sample of one of his albums somewhere. I'll try to find it when I get >home. My pleasure. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 1:17 am Subject: Re: Enigma /Jorge Reyes/Carpathian..... Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' TD content: NONE TriGold content: NONE >Really-From: TWeibre361@a... >not that i am against the use of samples, or people who like them in their >music, but i hope everyone also takes the time to search out where those >samples came from...my life in the bush of ghosts, for example, opened my >ears to the muslim call to prayer, and then on to qwaali...deep forest's >first album put me on the search for recordings of the african pygmies and >now im searching for more music from the carpathian area...im ambivalent >about enigma but at least he annotates his sources and did put those monks to >good use...cant remember if td footnoted their sources on GC...btw, jorge >reyes is a genius, and if still in print check out his collaboration with >jorge zepeda 'a la izquierda del colibri'...excellent... > >tom w Hi, Tom I had a similar revelation to yours and suddenly I am quite curios about what is a 'new' genre: indies. Or have they always been called that? Interesting stuff. I would have never believed that I will be whistling pigmy music. :-) In case you are interested in Carpathian music and want to hear what the original music sounded like before Michel Sanchez got hold of it, I recommend: Muszikas: 'Blues for Transylvania,' Hannibal Records, HNCD 1350 Okros Ensemble/Marta Sebestyen: 'Transylvanian Portraits,' Koch 3-4004-2 H1 Muzsikas: 'The Prisoner's Song,' Hannibal Records HNCD 1341 As far as Jorge Reyes is concerned, I am very interested, but the only titles of his music that I can find are as follows: Costumbre Cronica de Castas EK-Tunkul Nierika Mort Aux Vaches (how morbid!) Nierikaiek - Tunkul Any recommendations? TIA Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Three Phase Really-From: Matt Williams Three Phase is really cool(see i didn't say crap :))....except the Love On ?Real Train bit..shame they didn't have the rights from Risky Business would have been cool to see that again! Matt...... MATTHEW WILLIAMS EMAIL: matt@s... 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 3:30 am Subject: Re: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! Really-From: BSphar@a... >DVD Digital Video Disc (pretty much a CD with thinner grooves) >Expensive.. and the discs are expensive too. The discs are running about $25. Not too bad in my book. Brian Sphar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 5:39 am Subject: Re: Trouble Finding Force Majeure Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Thanks to everyone who helped me solve my > problem of finding Force Majeure. Now lets count.. > 5 versions? Nah.. SBM? I think so, but only in > England. The Griffin version is not SBM and has > a different cover. The Virgin version.. maybe the same > as the Griffin? also does not have SBM and has > a different cover--and I assume neither of these > are the 'definative edition.' Greg, I find my 'definitive edition' Virgin TAND 10 (1995) about 10 days ago in a WOM store in Hanover for 10$. they als had a Cyclone d.e. Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 6:20 am Subject: Re: Mark Shreeve Really-From: '(DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Gary Davis > > At 02:00 AM 6/2/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >> I only have _Legion_ and > >>_Crash Head_. (_Nocturne_ is totally unavailable around here.) > > If anyone is having trouble finding 'Nocturne', you can find it at The > Artist Shop. In fact, you'll find that as well as the entire catalog for > Christopher Franke's Sonic Images label along with cover graphics and > soundbites at . Hope you'll stop by. > > We also carry it at Super Collector. Check out our website at Supercollector.com or give us a call at 1-800-99-sci-fi. regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 6:57 am Subject: Re: Soundtracks a-go-go! Really-From: '(DJS)' > I took a look at SuperCollector, and WOW! Am I glad my Visa's paid up! > (Or maybe I'm not) They had just about everything, soundtrack-wise, > except Zoning and Oasis. But they had one special title that I put at > the bottom of my list to keep you all in suspense. Here's what they had, > with prices in US dollars: > > 3 O'Clock High 16 > Bab 5 v.1 & 2 16 each > Catch Me if you Can 20 > DSP 17 > Deadly Care 17 > Dream Music 1 & 2 15 each > Firestarter 12 > Flashpoint 16 > New Music for Film (CF) 16 > The London Concert (CF) 16 > Heartbreakers 20 > Legend 17 > Miracle Mile 12 > Near Dark UK - 17, US - 15 > The Park is Mine 16 > Risky B 20 > Shy People 17 > Sorceror 12 > Thief 20 > Wavelength 15 > and. . . > > THE KEEP!!! Publisher is listed as Tsunami, and it says 'Re-recorded' > after the title. Price is 25. > > Scott We also have several not listed on the web yet. Also in stock but not listed are: Celestine Prophecy ($16) Perry Rhodan Pax Terra ($16) Universal Soldier ($10) Pacific Coast Highway ($16) Tangerine Dream: TD (Disky) (Picture Disk cd with F/F/B line-up ($10) Import and LIMITED Tangerine Dream Collection (3 cd gold disk box set/w/original Tyger/Poland extracts/Best of TD) ($25) Import-LIMITED Shepard's Bush ($20) only have a couple of these. If you have TD or soundtrack inquiries ask for me to speed things up a bit. Rock & bowl pilgrims! regards, Dan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4571 Re: Soundtracks a-go-go! Robin Esterhammer Tue 6/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 7:13 am Subject: Vintage Film Footage (was Re: Three Phase) Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > The 'Logos' re-make at the end (with Jerome as a little child!!!) > just makes my eyes water... > > Dennis Oh yeah, I forgot about the vintage footage ! I wonder how much more is rotting away in a warehouse in Berlin, along with the soundboard recordings of every show ? 8'( It was the only part of the whole video I got excited about. -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 8:33 am Subject: Re: Soundtracks a-go-go! Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-06-03 00:59:03 EDT, you write: >THE KEEP!!! Publisher is listed as Tsunami, and it says 'Re-recorded' >after the title. Price is 25. > > I have this album. It is not the complete soundtrack. It has only 6 tracks from The Keep and other movie music of TD. But that's not all..... It is not even performed by TD. It's performed by a group called The Fantasy Merchants. All in all, it's not a bad album though. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 6:26 pm Subject: Re: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! Really-From: Pixel > >DVD Digital Video Disc (pretty much a CD with thinner grooves) > >Expensive.. and the discs are expensive too. > > No more expensive than a good VCR was 3 years ago. $500 for a decent one. > The discs should be the same price as laserdiscs. $25-$35 The discs are a bit more pricy now, but will be much cheaper soon. Players (and recorders!) too. GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 9:41 am Subject: Shreeve - the final note! Really-From: ashok prema First - a quick note to Dave - your gentle reminder is understood but I must reply to Craig, Gabe. In fact my sentiments are being repeated from the time someone slagged of Jerome' input last year. Craig - imagine you'd spent 6 months working on software - and Gabe - you on a new piece for the bass clarinet - and both ended up with a product with which you were proud. ( I am assuming that you areboth professionals in your field) After some success amongst users/listeners some magazine reviews your products/music with the sentiments ' This UTTER CRAP is beyond my comprehension - the programme/music delivers NOTHING worthwhile and is a waste of anyones money!' How would YOU feel?? Especially knowing that many people have enjoyed and use your programme/music and that it IS professional! Get my point?? If 'Legion' or 'Nocturne' fell into the 'amateur' class of music in terms of composition - Chris Franke would not have been involved with EITHER project - his very involvement is a clear indication of the the quality of Shreeves output - the fact that YOU don't like it doesn't make it 'CRAP' - it just means it doesn't gel with you - it remains however indisputably music of a professional standard both in composition and production! You may not like Japanese food (I don't!!) - but I wouldn't dream of calling it crap! Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4565 Re: Shreeve - the final note! (a likely story) Paul Nagle Tue 6/3/1997 3 KB 4611 Re: Shreeve - the final note! Gabe Yedid Wed 6/4/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 9:43 am Subject: Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-06-02 18:55:59 EDT, you write: >Then you might want to wait for Harrogate 1986 2CD which will be going for >about $40 OOOoooo!!!!! When??? Tell me. Pretty please??? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 10:04 am Subject: Re: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > >DVD Digital Video Disc (pretty much a CD with thinner grooves) > > >Expensive.. and the discs are expensive too. > > > > No more expensive than a good VCR was 3 years ago. $500 for a decent one. > > The discs should be the same price as laserdiscs. $25-$35 > > The discs are a bit more pricy now, but will be much cheaper soon. > Players (and recorders!) too. > > GG Hopefully, if the public accepts this new technology, the prices will come down. If not, this new technology will be pricey gizmo to hold on to show how advanced us humans have made digital storage. Hey! we gotta look at the positive side, dont we! :o) I figure Sony, Matsushita, and the others will keep this technology afloat and maybe in the coming few years, TD will be using this technology! If they could make one side of the disc a standard musical CD and the other side a video production of the album, that would be great! I know DVD allows double-sided discs. Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 12:43 pm Subject: Re: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 2, 7:01pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > (...) > I've got the THREE PHASE laserdisk. Should I try to obtain the > CANYON DREAMS laserdisk, too, or should I hold off since 12' laser > will be going the way of the dodo and the 8-track soon (to make way > for 3 1/2' laser, whatever it's called)? > > -- Steven Feldman and > Do you really think there will be enough of a demand for a re-issue in the DVD format? One of the DVD player from Pionner is a multi-format model, able to play the 12' video disk, so it looks like that format will live on for a while longer -- just as vinyl was prononced dead a bit too soon. I have both laserdisks, and I like the fact that they won't wear out like VHS tape. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: 'TD (Disky)' & TD Collection 3-CD gold disk set Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Soundtracks a-go-go! >Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 23:57:59 -0700 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Organization: Rakinik Intertype >Really-From: '(DJS)' > >[...] Also in stock but not listed are: > >Tangerine Dream: TD (Disky) (Picture Disk cd with F/F/B line-up ($10) >Import and LIMITED What the heck is *this*? What does 'Disky' mean? And what does 'F/F/B' stand for? Froese, Franke, and Baumann? What is on this? What year is it from? What country is it from? You know the drill. >Tangerine Dream Collection (3 cd gold disk box set/w/original >Tyger/Poland extracts/Best of TD) ($25) Import-LIMITED What's the deal on this? And how come nobody here (on this mailing list) seems to have ever heard of/about it before? What does the box look like? Is there a booklet? What country is it from? Am I the only one here who is left scratching his or her head over this? Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4569 Re: 'TD (Disky)' & TD Collection 3-CD gold disk s Craig R. J. Cordrey Tue 6/3/1997 4 KB 4576 Re: 'TD (Disky)' & TD Collection 3-CD gold disk s (DJS) Tue 6/3/1997 3 KB 4594 Re: 'TD (Disky)' & TD Collection 3-CD gold disk s Jim Moore Wed 6/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Cashing a Money Order Whilst Having No Bank Account Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, [This is TD-related because it's the result of having won bids for items from a TD-related auction.] I'm going to be sending a money order to Klaus care of his hotel, but it occurred to me that he might encounter some difficulty in cashing it because he won't have an American bank account. Will the hotel cash it for him??? And if not, what is his recourse? I ask this because I really don't like sending cash in the mail. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4567 Re: Cashing a Money Order Whilst Having No Bank A feldon@n... Tue 6/3/1997 2 KB 4616 Re: Cashing a Money Order Whilst Having No Bank A teiwaz barana Wed 6/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Domestic Nightcrawlers Release??? Really-From: Steven Feldman Ouch. It's sort of unfortunate that I have to resort to asking about this on this list, but it seems that the CD companies themselves aren't exactly being helpful re keeping their clients informed enough to be able to push sales of their product forward in a reasonable manner. See below: -- Steven Feldman and + + + + + + + Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:53:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199706031253.IAA27691@u...> To: Steven Feldman From: 'Peter D. Gulch' Subject: Re: USA Release for Crawlers Double-CD? At 08:19 PM 6/2/97 EDT, you wrote: > Hi there. > I was wondering . . . someone on the Tangerine Dream computer >mailing list mentioned that the Nightcrawlers double-CD will be coming >out on Cue Records (it was either 'Cue' or 'Cuneiform,' but I forget), >as well as on Mannikin. Is this so? I'm asking because Cue is European >whereas Cuneiform is American (they issued stuff like Heldon and Richard >Pinhas--and even some Hawkwind--on CD). > >Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: > BITNET: DREAMS WORD: >Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o >Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL >FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Steve: I don't know the answer to this. I've pretty much been kept in the dark. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 7:17 pm Subject: Re: Shreeve - the final note! (a likely story) Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >First - a quick note to Dave - your gentle reminder is understood but I >must reply to Craig, Gabe. etc. >....of composition - Chris Franke would not have been involved with EITHER >project - his very involvement is a clear indication of the the quality >of Shreeves output - the fact that YOU don't like it doesn't make it Oh no, not more 'Chris is God' sentiments.....face it Ash, everyone here is entitled to express an opinion from whatever standpoint they have. Personally (and getting no financial gain from my supporting him) I'll say that I think Mark Shreeve's music is excellent, fantastically produced, unparalleled in the UK but we really can't get into that old 'can it be good if I don't like it?' question all over again.... please.... We should discuss this on that other list which is dedicated to Mark and similar. TD content: I finally heard Goblin's Club over the weekend. Beautifully produced but, apart from a couple of tracks, largely musically redundant. And that's my opinion. The drumming and some of the guitar was better though and the second to last track (some daft title about an elf) says to me that they still do a new album that I consider worth buying... P.S. I always thought the production of Tangram was pretty poor and I consider this one of the finest albums ever made. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 13/05/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 9:05 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Anymore for the top ten Desert Island Discs? I have been >recording the replies and compiling a results chart. I >won't publish the results yet, in case there are any more >to come in. So far I have responses from the following : Okay, time to stop procrastinatin' and start cogitatin'. Here are mine (in the order I remembered them): Force Majeure Phaedra Melrose Green Desert Exit Logos Hyperborea Legend Tangents Quinoa Uh, thank you. Thank you very much. -B. Kirby NP: Lovely Thunder - H. Budd From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 2:52 pm Subject: Re: Cashing a Money Order Whilst Having No Bank Account Really-From: feldon@n... At 09:07 AM 6/3/97 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > >Folks, > [This is TD-related because it's the result of having won bids for >items from a TD-related auction.] > I'm going to be sending a money order to Klaus care of his hotel, >but it occurred to me that he might encounter some difficulty in cashing >it because he won't have an American bank account. Will the hotel cash >it for him??? And if not, what is his recourse? I ask this because I >really don't like sending cash in the mail. He should be able to go to *any* bank and cash it. Maybe I'm wrong here... Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 12:01 am Subject: Re: Somnanbulistic Imagery Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > >Anyway, if I ever see a copy anywhere ever again, I'll buy > >it and offer it (Mark F. has first shout). > > Oh gee, thanks. That's fair. :) Well, Mark responded first, so he gets first shout. However, I mus stress (due to subsequent posts) I don't have a spare copy yet. I'm just saying that if I get one (or however many) I'll let you all know. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 12:07 am Subject: Re: 'TD (Disky)' & TD Collection 3-CD gold disk set Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Steven, I think you must have been sleeping when we discussed these previously (not all that long ago). > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Tangerine Dream: TD (Disky) (Picture Disk cd with F/F/B line-up ($10) > >Import and LIMITED > > What the heck is *this*? What does 'Disky' mean? And what does > 'F/F/B' stand for? Froese, Franke, and Baumann? What is on this? > What year is it from? What country is it from? You know the drill. Disky is the record company/publisher (?). It contains all of Phaedra, one part of Rubycon and a track from Stratosfear. And yes, F/F/B is indeed Froese, Franke, Baumann. I think this is Dutch, although I'd question the LIMITED tag since there's heaps of these around over here. > >Tangerine Dream Collection (3 cd gold disk box set/w/original > >Tyger/Poland extracts/Best of TD) ($25) Import-LIMITED > > What's the deal on this? And how come nobody here (on this > mailing list) seems to have ever heard of/about it before? What does > the box look like? Is there a booklet? What country is it from? I think this is British. And I think some on the list have heard of this (in fact I'd bet Lars even has it! 8-)). As far as I know it's just the standard releases but on Gold CDs, instead of plain sliver. Someone will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong! > Am I the only one here who is left scratching his or her head > over this? Maybe not the only one, but one of few. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 12:16 am Subject: Re: Shreeve - the final note! (And some TD Too) Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' There is TD stuff in here - just bear with me a moment. Ash, Gabe, Matt, if we wish to pursue this thread, I guess we should move over to GoldTri. I'm sure Elena would be equally willing to jump to Mark's defence. BTW Ash, if you're going to take exception to the word 'crap', then I must take exception to your supposition that your mail would be 'Shreeve - the final note!', with all its implications that the matter was closed and the situation clarified and no longer open for debate. Anyway, over to GoldTri, if you wish. TD Stuff Some two years ago, I sold my pre-SBM copy of Tangram to Grant. It didn't bother me not having it, and I didn't miss it. This weekend, I decided to buy the SBM version (they didn't have some of the other SBMs I was looking for). And after all this time, guess what. Yup, I still think this is cra... sorry, I still don't like this album. I really, really want to like this, since it seems so popular amongst other listees, but just don't get it. Is there something wrong with me? Can someone explain why this strikes them as a great piece of music? I'd pick Pergamon over Tangram any day. Apart from the obvious pieces which appear in both, I wouldn't even say the two are closely related. Am I mad? Is this heresy? Can I ask any more questons in this one post? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 5:41 pm Subject: Re: Soundtracks a-go-go! Really-From: Robin Esterhammer >Really-From: '(DJS)' > > >> I took a look at SuperCollector, and WOW! Am I glad my Visa's paid up! >> (Or maybe I'm not) They had just about everything, soundtrack-wise, >> except Zoning and Oasis. But they had one special title that I put at >> the bottom of my list to keep you all in suspense. Here's what they had, >> with prices in US dollars: >> > >> and. . . >> >> THE KEEP!!! Publisher is listed as Tsunami, and it says 'Re-recorded' >> after the title. Price is 25. Scott, This is Robin. Just got your email about the soundtrack goldmine at Super Collector. It is a great place. Hoping not to spoil your elation about 'The Keep', but Tsunami is a German distributor who deals with, let's say, 'gray market merchandise', and when it says re-recorded, chances are that they paid somebody to replay the music on their synthesizer. Some of their other score CD's sound pretty good, but I have never heard anything good about their re-recorded CD's. But I'd love to be proven wrong. Please keep me informed. Take care, Georg Hartmann From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: BEST OF TD, TYGER, & POLAND EXTRACTS on Gold CD: Why?!?! Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: 'TD (Disky)' & TD Collection 3-CD gold disk set >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:07:54 GB-EIRE >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > >Steven, I think you must have been sleeping when we >discussed these previously (not all that long ago). > >> Really-From: Steven Feldman >> >> >Tangerine Dream: TD (Disky) (Picture Disk cd with F/F/B line-up ($10) >> >Import and LIMITED >> >> What the heck is *this*? What does 'Disky' mean? [...] I guess it's just the 'Disky' part that made me think this was something new. (I never knew that this RUBYCON/PHAEDRA/STRATOSFEAR comp. was on a label called Disky. There's only so much minutiae on this mailing list that I have time to read.) >> >Tangerine Dream Collection (3 cd gold disk box set/w/original >> >Tyger/Poland extracts/Best of TD) ($25) Import-LIMITED >> >> What's the deal on this? And how come nobody here (on this >> mailing list) seems to have ever heard of/about it before? [...] Groan. I regretted phrasing the question that way immediately after posting it. What I meant is, why is it that--except for its being hawked on this mailing list and the www--no one's heard of it? >I think this is British. And I think some on the list have >heard of this (in fact I'd bet Lars even has it! 8-)). [...] I doubt it. There's only so redundant an item can get before even a completist will blow it off. For example, I don't think Lars would have gone anywhere near THE BRICK if it didn't come with a poster or something. >[...] As far as I know it's just the standard releases but on Gold >CDs, instead of plain sliver. The big question is, why? Who in the hell would want a truncated live album and a compilation album on gold CD?!?! I mean, is this a Castle or Sequel item? If so, why would they issue such a lame batch of albums as a set?!?! I mean, LE PARC, UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT, TYGER would at least make people tempted, but 3/4 of POLAND, a compilation album and TD's most-vocal-ridden album as selections for gold status? I thought the point of making gold albums was to offer high end versions of classic albums to people who like those albums to a greater degree than mortal man. In this context, I think the best choices would be: o LE PARC, UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT, and TYGER o POLAND on two discs, and LIVEMILES o ELECTRONIC MEDITATION, ALPHA CENTAURI, and ATEM >> Am I the only one here who is left scratching his or her head >> over this? >Maybe not the only one, but one of few. Well, hardy har har. -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 1:14 am Subject: Goblin's Club - reply to Paul Nagle Really-From: Antonio Nunes paul@s... wrote: << [...] and the second to last track (some daft title about an elf) says to me that they still do a new album that I consider worth buying... >> Sorry to disappoint you, but that track was co-composed by Linda Spa, and she is not with TD anymore... Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: DVD's expensive?? Really-From: Neal McAuley As a serious fan of laser discs, I'll be making the move to DVD (eventually). Heck, they're about $20 each versus the $30 (or more) I usually pay for LD's. If you can find Canyon Dreams on LD, buy it because it doesn't strike me as a title that will move to DVD anytime soon. The DVD players are going for approx. $499 (unless you buy one that plays both LD's and DVD's). Neal :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4587 Re: DVD's expensive?? TangerineC@a... Tue 6/3/1997 2 KB 4834 Re: DVD's expensive?? PNaunton@a... Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4839 Re: DVD's expensive?? Morgan Marks Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4902 Re: DVD's expensive?? PNaunton@a... Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 5:18 pm Subject: Re: Soundtracks a-go-go! Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >This is Robin. Just got your email about the soundtrack goldmine at Super >Collector. It is a great place. Hoping not to spoil your elation about >'The Keep', but Tsunami is a German distributor who deals with, let's say, >'gray market merchandise', and when it says re-recorded, chances are that >they paid somebody to replay the music on their synthesizer. Some of their I was never one of the Keep krazies who would give their first-born for the soundtrack. I figured it wasn't quite what it seemed, but I wanted the list to explain it. I'm still trying to find a Criterion Collection edition of the laser disc of the film, which often have the soundtrack music played on a separate track. The possiblities are mind-boggling. . Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 5:40 pm Subject: Re: 'TD (Disky)' & TD Collection 3-CD gold disk set Really-From: '(DJS)' > > > > >Tangerine Dream: TD (Disky) (Picture Disk cd with F/F/B line-up ($10) > > >Import and LIMITED > > > > > Disky is the record company/publisher (?). It contains all > of Phaedra, one part of Rubycon and a track from > Stratosfear. And yes, F/F/B is indeed Froese, Franke, > Baumann. I think this is Dutch, although I'd question the > LIMITED tag since there's heaps of these around over here. Limited, as in, we have limited copies. When they are gone, they are gone. > > > >Tangerine Dream Collection (3 cd gold disk box set/w/original > > >Tyger/Poland extracts/Best of TD) ($25) Import-LIMITED > > > > What's the deal on this? And how come nobody here (on this > > mailing list) seems to have ever heard of/about it before? What does > > the box look like? Is there a booklet? What country is it from? > I think this is British. And I think some on the list have > heard of this (in fact I'd bet Lars even has it! 8-)). As > far as I know it's just the standard releases but on Gold > CDs, instead of plain sliver. > Yes, it is from England. There is no booklet or anything but it does contain the original Tyger cd instead of the re-release remixed version that contains Vigour. Other than that, the cd's being gold and the box that they come in are the only differences. It's definately for collectors only I would say. regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 5:49 pm Subject: Tsunami's Keep Really-From: '(DJS)' Robin Esterhammer > > This is Robin. Just got your email about the soundtrack goldmine at Super > Collector. It is a great place. Hoping not to spoil your elation about > 'The Keep', but Tsunami is a German distributor who deals with, let's say, > 'gray market merchandise', and when it says re-recorded, chances are that > they paid somebody to replay the music on their synthesizer. Some of their > other score CD's sound pretty good, but I have never heard anything good > about their re-recorded CD's. But I'd love to be proven wrong. Please > keep me informed. > You will never be proven wrong Robin, heh. You perfectly described Tsunami and what they do. It is true that they have had some higher quality soundtracks but for the most part they usually have hissy analog tape transfers or, even worse, LP transfers. Even with all of the soundtracks I own I don't think I have one Tsunami. It doesn't surprise me though that they would try to capitalize on the Keep by re-recording with another band. Still, maybe all of these actions will prompt Virgin and WB to get off their butts and get that soundtrack released (yeah right). regards, Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4578 Re: Tsunami's Keep TangerineC@a... Tue 6/3/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 6:58 pm Subject: Re: Tsunami's Keep Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-06-03 14:37:41 EDT, you write: >It doesn't surprise >me though that they would try to capitalize on the Keep by re-recording >with another band. This is what they did. I should know, I have it. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 9:08 pm Subject: My Vote! Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' Desert Island Picks: 1. Rubicon 2. Zeit 3. Phaedra 4. Alpha Centauri 5. Atem 6. Ricochet 7. Sorceror 8. Cyclone 9. 'Millions Now Living Will Never Die' - Tortoise 10. 'The Fawn' - The Sea and Cake The above are not necessarily in the order of preference. Maxwell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4580 Re: My Vote! Beth Arnold Tue 6/3/1997 3 KB 4597 Re: My Vote! TangerineC@a... Wed 6/4/1997 2 KB 4610 Re: My Vote! TWeibre361@a... Wed 6/4/1997 2 KB 4618 Re: My Vote! TangerineC@a... Wed 6/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 2, 1997 8:40 pm Subject: Re: My Vote! Really-From: 'Beth Arnold' Who are you? Stop emailing me. Here are the headers: Received: from 131.210.1.4 by ftel.dyn.ml.org with SMTP (Viking/0.9.27); Mon, 02 Jun 1997 16:37:33 -0400 X-RCPT-TO: betharnold@f... Received: (from daemon@l...) by cs.uwp.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) id PAA15031 for tadream-members; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:06:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199706032006.PAA15031@c...> Received: from henson.cc.wwu.edu (henson.cc.wwu.edu [140.160.240.12]) by cs.uwp.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA15013 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:06:06 -0500 Received: from ws014.ma.reshall.wwu.edu by henson.cc.wwu.edu (5.65/WWU-H1.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.26 ) id AA03806; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:06:04 -0700 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 13:08:26 -0800 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Sender: tadream@c... To: tadream@c... Errors-To: tadream-request@c... Precedence: bulk X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: My Vote! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---- From: tadream mailing list To: tadream@c... Date: Monday, June 02, 1997 4:37 PM Subject: My Vote! >Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' > > >Desert Island Picks: > >1. Rubicon >2. Zeit >3. Phaedra >4. Alpha Centauri >5. Atem >6. Ricochet >7. Sorceror >8. Cyclone >9. 'Millions Now Living Will Never Die' - Tortoise >10. 'The Fawn' - The Sea and Cake > >The above are not necessarily in the order of preference. > >Maxwell > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 9:21 pm Subject: Re: Soundtracks a-go-go! Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-06-03 16:37:39 EDT, you write: >Hoping not to spoil your elation about 'The Keep', but Tsunami is a German distributor who deals with, let's say,'gray market merchandise', and when it says re-recorded, chances are that they paid somebody to replay the music on their synthesizer. Some of their other score CD's sound pretty good, but I have never heard anything good about their re-recorded CD's. < I posted this before and now i'll post it again. I have this album. It is not the complete soundtrack. It has only 6 tracks from The Keep and other movie music of TD. But that's not all..... It is not even performed by TD. It's performed by a group called The Fantasy Merchants. All in all, it's not a bad album though. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 9:28 pm Subject: Whoaa! Ash... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) >Hi all, >>Really-From: Gabe Yedid >>I don't know what's not screwed on right in my head but I have just never >>been able to fathom the admiration for the music of Mark Shreeve that >>exists on the list. His music has always struck me as being just so >>incredibly cheesy and dated-sounding, but then again, I only have _Legion_ >>and >>_Crash Head_. (_Nocturne_ is totally unavailable around here.) I simply >>don't enjoy them and I wouldn't say there's anything remarkable at all about >>these albums. Ash, please be more careful when you're cutting and pasteing between messages. You have included me in message which might appear that I was having a go at Mark's music when, in fact, I was defending him. A small issue but consider these two points : i) We (T-Bass UK) are frequently compared to Mark's powerhouse sound and I'm hardly likely to call my own music crap. I'll leave that to the punters to decide. ii) Mark is a good friend. He occasionally lurks on the net and just imagine what a two-faced twat he would think I was if he found my name associated with this comment. To reitterate, Mark Shreeve's music is something special in a sea of mediocrity. His albums are seriously worthy of your attention if you're into the more energetic of variety of synth-rock. Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 9:29 pm Subject: Some TD at last... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello, Mr. Sensitive here... I'm listening to a CD entitled 'Underwater Sunlight' at the moment by a band called 'Tangerine Dream'. I think it is very good indeed. Would anyone else agree with me? Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4591 Re: Some TD at last... dbrewer@a... Wed 6/4/1997 3 KB 4592 Re: Some TD at last... Beth Arnold Wed 6/4/1997 3 KB 4595 Re: Some TD at last... Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 6/4/1997 4 KB 4613 Re: Some TD at last... Plumer, Scott Wed 6/4/1997 2 KB 4638 Re: Some TD at last... Grant Middleton Thu 6/5/1997 3 KB 4645 Re: Some TD at last... Vic Rek Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB 4836 Re: Some TD at last... PNaunton@a... Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 9:28 pm Subject: Aw Naw, not again...(sh*t) Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, Look, fer Gawd's sake, lets stop talking about the bloody Spice Girls. I jumped up to defend Mark Shreeve's music because I like it. I wasn't having a go at anyone. As far as I'm concerned there is absolutely no connection between Mark Shreeve and the effing Spice Girls except that they write in an even-tempered scale. But then the Spice Girls probably don't know what an even-tempered scale is. They probably think is something that says nice things about their weight... I'm sick of reading posts about the sodding Spice Girls. It's all the bloody saddos at work talk about these days. 'Mel C's got nice norks...', 'Mel B's got a nice botty...'. Struth. It would be nice if they just talked about nerdy computer games just once in a while... Please, please, please, please, please, please, please... Let's stick to TD... (or a little bit of TB from time to time ... :) Cheers David aka Mr. Sensitive (before Mark F. starts again...) T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4603 Re: Aw Naw, not again...(sh*t) Brian_Kirby@p... Wed 6/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 9:28 pm Subject: Shreeve and two old birds Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Really-From: Gabe Yedid >To Dave Hughes: what I meant by 'dated' had nothing to do with the >synths Mark used, it had more to do with his tendencies towards trite >disco-esque and '80s synth-poppy melodies, neither of which I felt were >done particularly well. Gabe, I wasn't having a go at you or trying to put you down, man. Let me know which of the tracks on 'Crash Head' you thought were 'trite disco-esque and '80s synth-poppy melodies' because I can't for the life of me think which ones you mean. I lept to Mark's defense because I like his stuff. Looks like Ash and his sledgehammer have managed to stur things up again... Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4614 Re: Shreeve and two old birds Gabe Yedid Wed 6/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 9:30 pm Subject: Re: Soundtracks a-go-go! The Keep Really-From: TangerineC@a... Oh yeah! Almost forgot. If you want to know the tracks on this album, here they are: The Keep: Main title Glacken's Quest Brothers In Death Fisherman's Morning Evil Healing Gloria Firestarter: Crystal Voice Burning Force The Heartbreakers (that's what it says on the album, folks.) : The Hearbreakers main title Twilight Painter Near Dark: Caleb's Blues (Cant believe they bothered putting this track on this album.) Sorcerer(this is kind of cool because all the songs are connected together. A medley): Medley of: The Search/ The Call/ Grind/ The Mountain Road Risky Business: Love On A Real Train Well, there are all the tracks on this album. I hope this clears up some confusion about it. And like I said before, it's not performed by TD, but it is good otherwise. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 9:36 pm Subject: Re: DVD's expensive?? Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-06-03 17:18:14 EDT, you write: >If you can find Canyon Dreams on LD, buy it because >it doesn't strike me as a title that will move to DVD anytime soon. The >DVD players are going for approx. $499 (unless you buy one that plays >both LD's and DVD's). > >Neal :-) > Neal is correct. No TD DVD will be seen anytime soon. The makers of DVD will release titles that will sell in large amounts. Titles like Jurrassic Park and things like that. It probably will not be years until we see any TD on this new format. So enjoy what you have now, or what you can get. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 10:53 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #939 Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' What What??? Did I hear 'Ash', did I hear 'chainsaw'??? I think I did. Evil Dead is THE reason there are movies. Black humor is the greatest genre of all. 'THIS IS MY BOOMSTICK!!!!!' Back to music, I heard some of Mike Oldfield's 'Five Miles Out', it wasn't that great. Is this the same guy that did Tubular Bells? I'm confused. Maxwell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4636 Re: tadream-digest V15 #939 Grant Middleton Thu 6/5/1997 3 KB 4713 Re: tadream-digest V15 #939 TWeibre361@a... Fri 6/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 10:54 pm Subject: Evil Dead/Mike Oldfield Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' What What??? Did I hear 'Ash', did I hear 'chainsaw'??? I think I did. Evil Dead is THE reason there are movies. Black humor is the greatest genre of all. 'THIS IS MY BOOMSTICK!!!!!' Back to music, I heard some of Mike Oldfield's 'Five Miles Out', it wasn't that great. Is this the same guy that did Tubular Bells? I'm confused. Maxwell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4602 Re: Evil Dead/Mike Oldfield TWeibre361@a... Wed 6/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 11:03 pm Subject: email address change Enigma Mailing List , GoldTri , Jarre Mailing List 1 , Jarre Mailing List 2 , Tangerine Dream BBS Really-From: Brian Frick Greetings listers, Just to let you know, my summer email address will be frickblj@w... after June 12th. Please do not email me at school any longer. I will not be able to receive mail at school. See you all on the lists!!! -- Later! -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 11:32 pm Subject: Re: Some TD at last... Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > Hello, Mr. Sensitive here... Hello, Mr. Sensitive! :-) > > I'm listening to a CD entitled 'Underwater Sunlight' at the moment by a > band called 'Tangerine Dream'. I think it is very good indeed. Would anyone > else agree with me? Ohhh, it is superb! It is my favorite TD studio album. I have to admit, that when I first got it back around 1990, I didn't know much about TD. I saw the track titles on this album and thought, 'What the hell are these wierd titles, anyway??' But something told me to get it anyway, so I did. Man, I was impressed from the very first listening. From then on, I didn't let strange song titles turn me off, now I even like the titles! (anyone for some Liquid Plejades? :-) ) I don't play guitar, but this album makes me play air guitar if I'm not doing anything else! (especially the Songs of the Whale) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 12:00 am Subject: Re: Some TD at last... Really-From: 'Beth Arnold' STOP EMAILING ME PEOPLE ---- From: tadream mailing list To: tadream@c... Date: Monday, June 02, 1997 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Some TD at last... >Really-From: dbrewer@a... > > >> Quoted From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) >> >> Hello, Mr. Sensitive here... > >Hello, Mr. Sensitive! :-) > >> >> I'm listening to a CD entitled 'Underwater Sunlight' at the moment by a >> band called 'Tangerine Dream'. I think it is very good indeed. Would anyone >> else agree with me? > >Ohhh, it is superb! It is my favorite TD studio album. I have to admit, >that when I first got it back around 1990, I didn't know much about TD. >I saw the track titles on this album and thought, 'What the hell are >these wierd titles, anyway??' But something told me to get it anyway, so >I did. Man, I was impressed from the very first listening. From then on, >I didn't let strange song titles turn me off, now I even like the titles! >(anyone for some Liquid Plejades? :-) ) I don't play guitar, but this album >makes me play air guitar if I'm not doing anything else! (especially the >Songs of the Whale) > > Dave Brewer > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4595 Re: Some TD at last... Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 6/4/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 3, 1997 6:31 pm Subject: Sonambulistic Imagery Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... Dreamers 6/6/86 is one of my favorite TD shows--it was great to be there for Edgar's 42nd birthday and we had 3rd and 4th row orchestra seats--beside and behind M. Froese--who was taking photos. I have a fan cassette tape from this show that I got many years ago and the SI CDs--I found a few years back. Is it just me or do the CDs sound like they were recorded from a videotape--any comments? Anyone have a video tape of this show? A friend of mine taped the SI CDs onto DAT and it sounds best played back with the treble turned all the way down--maybe the source tape was recorded in Dolby...uh oh there's that NR thread again. --teiwaz Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13767 Re: Sonambulistic Imagery Francisco Salgado C. Wed 5/20/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 1:11 am Subject: RE: 'TD (Disky)' & TD Collection 3-CD gold disk set Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: Steven Feldman > What's the deal on this? And how come nobody here (on this >mailing list) seems to have ever heard of/about it before? What does >the box look like? Is there a booklet? What country is it from? I have this... It comes in a white box, but I can't describe the con- tents as I haven't broken the shrink-wrap. It was an import from England. 'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 3:27 am Subject: Re: Some TD at last... Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' M'am, since you are now playing with the big boys and decided to join the universe on the Internet you may want to trouble yourself sufficiently to learn something about the use (and abuse) of mailing lists and, in this case, especially how listservers work. It behooves all of us to acquire a modicum of education if we use a new medium. This is just a suggestion, mind you. I wonder where and what the machine.name and the domain are in ftel.dyn.ml.org. So that I may put it on my list of charities. Sincerely, Andrew At 08:00 PM 6/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Beth Arnold' > > >STOP EMAILING ME PEOPLE > ---- >From: tadream mailing list >To: tadream@c... >Date: Monday, June 02, 1997 7:58 PM >Subject: Re: Some TD at last... > >>Really-From: dbrewer@a... >> >> >>> Quoted From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) >>> >>> Hello, Mr. Sensitive here... >> >>Hello, Mr. Sensitive! :-) >> >>> >>> I'm listening to a CD entitled 'Underwater Sunlight' at the moment by a >>> band called 'Tangerine Dream'. I think it is very good indeed. Would >anyone >>> else agree with me? >> >>Ohhh, it is superb! It is my favorite TD studio album. I have to admit, >>that when I first got it back around 1990, I didn't know much about TD. >>I saw the track titles on this album and thought, 'What the hell are >>these wierd titles, anyway??' But something told me to get it anyway, so >>I did. Man, I was impressed from the very first listening. From then on, >>I didn't let strange song titles turn me off, now I even like the titles! >>(anyone for some Liquid Plejades? :-) ) I don't play guitar, but this >album >>makes me play air guitar if I'm not doing anything else! (especially the >>Songs of the Whale) >> >> Dave Brewer >> > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 9:25 am Subject: Latest from C&D Really-From: Mark Dobie Hi folks, I got an update catalogue from C&D services in Scotland. Not normally a reason to post, but this list included Ages on CD by Edgar Froese. Now, this is the same company that have been advertising the Zoo of Tranquility reissue for quite a while (and it still isn't out), so it may be some time before the CD actually shows up, but it looks like it is on the way. Nothing about the other one (Dracula thingy...) Also, they mention that they will be on the internet soon with email, a web site and online ordering. Hopefully a searchable catalogue too. For now it's Compact Disc Services (+44) 01382 776595 This isn't an advertisement - as a long time customer I can say that they are little expensive, but sometimes the only way to get a disc. Occaisionally they have sales where I spend far too much! :-) Mark Mark Dobie University of Southampton mrd@e... MS Windows? Linux and X! http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~mrd/cv.html <------ Queen discographies under here Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4601 Re: Latest from C&D Vincent Goudreault Wed 6/4/1997 4 KB 4837 Re: Latest from C&D PNaunton@a... Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4850 Re: Latest from C&D Vincent Goudreault Tue 6/10/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 9:09 am Subject: Re: My Vote! Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-06-04 03:22:55 EDT, you write: >Really-From: 'Beth Arnold' > > >Who are you? Stop emailing me. > Beth is being haunted by TD.She doesnt even know who they are. Spooky isnt it, Beth? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 10:50 am Subject: Re: Disky Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >> What the heck is *this*? What does 'Disky' mean? And what does >>'F/F/B' stand for? Froese, Franke, and Baumann? What is on this? >>What year is it from? What country is it from? You know the drill. > >Disky is the record company/publisher (?). It contains all >of Phaedra, one part of Rubycon and a track from >Stratosfear. And yes, F/F/B is indeed Froese, Franke, >Baumann. I think this is Dutch, although I'd question the >LIMITED tag since there's heaps of these around over here. Since most of you haven't heard of Disky and some even suspected that this album might be a counterfeit: Disky is a legitimate record label in Europe. Actually they are quite interesting: They are following the concept of the 'Nice Price' releases (which are put out by Sony if I am correct) and have quite a big catalog of low-price items from popular artists. In Germany, there must be some 80 or 100 titles available at the moment, all for the same price around DM 12 (7 US$) or a little more depending on the store. About 10% of their releases are 'real' CDs that exist / existed as such on another label. In this case they have the same title and artwork as the originals. About 90% of Disky's output however are compilations that are otherwise unavailable. Many are labeled 'The Greatest Hits Of ...' or only have the band name as their title, others have imaginary titles to suggest that these are regular band releases. In many cases, the songs are not necessarily the greatest hits at all (I mean by chart success/popularity), but just an arbitrary collection of some hits and some non-hits, probably depending on the rights obtained from the original label. Disky have a nice selection of eighties synthpop bands (Human League, Ultravox, ...) that do contain some of the better material from these bands, although some titles make you scratch your head. Anyway, I like them - simply because it always pisses me off when I see a 'Nice Price' album for 1/3rd of the original price I paid only two years earlier. With Disky, at least you get something different for a 'nice price'... :-) Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 12:05 pm Subject: '79-80-81 concert tapes sought Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers I am seeking TD concert tapes from the 1979, 1980 and 1981 tours. Please contact me off-list if you are interested in arranging a trade and I will send you my list. thanks lars PS: I'm also interested in the 68-72 material. PPS: Do any tapes of The Ones exist at all? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 11:57 am Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Rakinik Intertype > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > Okay, here's mine: > > > > Rawkoon > > Zyclone > > Obstacle Race > > Electronic Medication > > 3 O'Clock Sigh > > Dreamtime > > Tyranny of Beatty > > Lily in the Ditch > > Dreaming on Danforth Avenue > > Near Dark Shy People > > Is that Tyranny of Beatty?....as in Ned Beatty? heh heh > > Dano No, not Ned. Warren ('Shampoo,' 'Heaven Can Wait,' 'Reds,' 'McCabe & Mrs. Miller,' 'Bonnie & Clyde,' et cetera). I figured he deserved the recognition for having dated/married so many beautiful women. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 12:48 pm Subject: Re: Latest from C&D Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 4, 10:25am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Latest from C&D > Really-From: Mark Dobie > > > > Hi folks, > > I got an update catalogue from C&D services in Scotland. Not normally > a reason to post, but this list included Ages on CD by Edgar Froese. > > Now, this is the same company that have been advertising the Zoo of > Tranquility reissue for quite a while (and it still isn't out), so it > may be some time before the CD actually shows up, but it looks like it > is on the way. Nothing about the other one (Dracula thingy...) Thnaks for the update, Mark. I can only hope that the delay in the reissue of Zoo is due to the record company announcing it way too early, and that 'Ages' will be out soon. Could you get an 'in stock' time-frame from them? As for the 'Macula Transfer' reissue, I guess it will have to come later (I hope...) > > Also, they mention that they will be on the internet soon with email, a > web site and online ordering. Hopefully a searchable catalogue too. I can't wait... I can't wait... I can't wait... *SLAP!* Thanks, I needed that. > For now it's > > Compact Disc Services > (+44) 01382 776595 > > This isn't an advertisement - as a long time customer I can say that > they are little expensive, but sometimes the only way to get a disc. > Occaisionally they have sales where I spend far too much! :-) You tend to do that too, hey? Well, TD is my only vice, I think that I can indulge from time to time. What's life about if you can't abuse and live to (somewhat) regret it a wee bit after? How about *not* abusing and regretting *that* instead??? C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 1:35 pm Subject: Re: Evil Dead/Mike Oldfield Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-06-04 01:15:03 EDT, you write: << Back to music, I heard some of Mike Oldfield's 'Five Miles Out', it wasn't that great. Is this the same guy that did Tubular Bells? I'm confused. >> yup... tom w np: dj spike - tasteless cuts From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 1:37 pm Subject: Re: Aw Naw, not again...(sh*t) Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) >I'm sick of reading posts about the sodding Spice Girls. It's all the >bloody saddos at work talk about these days. 'Mel C's got nice norks...', >'Mel B's got a nice botty...'. Struth. It would be nice if they just >talked about nerdy computer games just once in a while... Hey, d'ya hear they're coming out with the first expansion pack for Diablo? This time, instead of a fighter, rogue, or wizard, you get to be whichever Spice Girl you want! They've got some new weapons, too. Something called a nork and a botty. Whatever. It's all just tits and ass anyway. Smirking, B. Kirby Tangental TD content (and shameless plug): The latest issue of Beyond the Horizon is going to the post office starting tomorrow, and should start showing up in your homes next week (longer for you folks in Europe, Far East, etc.) Nifty things to look for: Jason Hopkins' review of Shepherd's Bush, an interview with Johannes, and a piece by yours truly on Goblins' Club and the (somewhat obsessive) nature of TD fandom. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 1:52 pm Subject: Easter Island and the NOrth Pole Really-From: Michael A Jean Sounds like another contest is brewing... ;^) MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 1:51 pm Subject: AOL strikes again (no TD) Really-From: Mark Filipak Sorry folks. I have found no way to contact these folks as AOL is refusing to cooperate. Phil Naunton Graf Zeigen Please, both of you, send me private email. I'm trying to send to you and AOL is errorring out. Thanks for the bandwidth. Sorry for the lack of TD content. Regards -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 1:32 pm Subject: Re: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: feldon@n... > >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > > I've got the THREE PHASE laserdisk. Should I try to obtain the > >CANYON DREAMS laserdisk, too, or should I hold off since 12' laser > >will be going the way of the dodo and the 8-track soon (to make way > >for 3 1/2' laser, whatever it's called)? > > 5 1/2' laser is called DVD. There is no 3 1/2' > > DVD is MPEG-2 compressed, and to my discerning/professional eyes, > looks like crap. I'd rather have Laserdisc! I recently heard of a new standard coming. MPEG-3 with about half again more lines than standard TV. I saw one of these demoed on the new Sharp projection system with a line doubler last weekend. It was awesome. Looked just like a movie, not like video at all. I'm going to wait and see about this technology. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 2:07 pm Subject: Needed: Photos from Shepherds Bush show Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi All. I really need photos from the Shepherds Bush show of last November for a small project I'm doing. ;-) Please, if you have any photos at all (in focus and _not_ from a digital camera) please contact me off list. There will be a reward for any pix you can send. Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 5:56 pm Subject: Tyranny of Beatty Really-From: '(DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > > Is that Tyranny of Beatty?....as in Ned Beatty? heh heh > > > > Dano > > No, not Ned. Warren ('Shampoo,' 'Heaven Can Wait,' 'Reds,' 'McCabe & > Mrs. Miller,' 'Bonnie & Clyde,' et cetera). I figured he deserved the > recognition for having dated/married so many beautiful women. -- Mark Awwww...come on. You know Ned Beatty got all those women in the 70's. Dude, I bet he even got Jill Clayburgh when he was doing Silver Streak heh heh. Ned's more rico suave than Warren. Heck...Warren can't even play the clarinet! Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4609 Re: Tyranny of Beatty Sean Montgomery Wed 6/4/1997 2 KB 4631 Re: Tyranny of Beatty (DJS) Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 6:14 pm Subject: Re: Tyranny of Beatty Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Awwww...come on. You know Ned Beatty got all those women in the 70's. Yeah, but he also got his butt ploughed by those hillbillies in 'Deliverance'... Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 6:47 pm Subject: Re: My Vote! Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-06-04 13:29:20 EDT, you write: << Beth is being haunted by TD.She doesnt even know who they are. Spooky isnt it, Beth? >> could be worse...this could be the spice girls list.... tom w np: crimso - epitaph vol. 4 (what a bitch listening to 4 sets of the same material) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 6:44 pm Subject: Re: Shreeve - the final note! Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: ashok prema > > > First - a quick note to Dave - your gentle reminder is understood but I > must reply to Craig, Gabe. > In fact my sentiments are being repeated from the time someone slagged of > Jerome' input last year. > Craig - imagine you'd spent 6 months working on software - and Gabe - you > on a new piece for the bass clarinet - and both ended up with a product > with which you were proud. ( I am assuming that you areboth professionals > in your field) > After some success amongst users/listeners some magazine reviews your > products/music with the sentiments ' This UTTER CRAP is beyond my > comprehension - the programme/music delivers NOTHING worthwhile and is a > waste of anyones money!' I would think any or all of the following: --the critic doesn't know a rat's ass --I shouldn't care what he thinks as long as there are people who like what I do --maybe he is right and it was a triumph of form over substance. > How would YOU feel?? Especially knowing that many people have enjoyed and > use your programme/music and that it IS professional! > > Get my point?? > If 'Legion' or 'Nocturne' fell into the 'amateur' class of music in terms > of composition - Chris Franke would not have been involved with EITHER > project - his very involvement is a clear indication of the the quality I haven't been really enthused with much of Mr. Franke's recent output either, despite the fact it is probably better produced than Shreeve's. Again, there's this issue of 'substance', which is as subjective a thing in music as any. > of Shreeves output - the fact that YOU don't like it doesn't make it > 'CRAP' - it just means it doesn't gel with you - it remains however It wasn't me who said it was crap! In fact, I went out of my way to describe what I felt without resorting to such monosyllabic, derogatory qualifiers! > indisputably music of a professional standard both in composition and > production! You may not like Japanese food (I don't!!) - but I wouldn't > dream of calling it crap! > > > Ash Judging production is somewhat more objective than judging composition. I mean, I don't understand why there are some people who despise the music of Bach, Glass, or Stockhausen (take your pick) but I don't question why they dislike it. Now, _Crash Head_ and _Dream Mixes_ are both albums with really good production. As to which one I think has better *composition*, I'd have to give the nod to _Dream Mixes_. It strikes chords within me that the Shreeve albums I've got simply don't. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 6:48 pm Subject: my desert island TD 10 Really-From: Gabe Yedid Hmm... in no particular order Melrose Rubycon Phaedra Le Parc Dream Mixes 220 Volt Hyperborea Poland Tangents Somnambulistic Imagery (just for that 10 1/2 minute unamed piece after 'Stratosfear') Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4617 Re: my desert island TD 10 Jens Peschke Wed 6/4/1997 2 KB 4621 Re: my desert island TD 10 Plumer, Scott Wed 6/4/1997 2 KB 4622 Re: my desert island TD 10 Jens Peschke Wed 6/4/1997 3 KB 4623 Re: my desert island TD 10 Plumer, Scott Wed 6/4/1997 2 KB 4625 Re: my desert island TD 10 Francisco Salgado C. Wed 6/4/1997 3 KB 4626 Re: my desert island TD 10 Francisco Salgado C. Wed 6/4/1997 2 KB 4745 Re: my desert island TD 10 PhilPDX@a... Sat 6/7/1997 2 KB 4753 Re: my desert island TD 10 Gabe Yedid Sat 6/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 6:45 pm Subject: RE: Some TD at last... Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I'm listening to a CD entitled 'Underwater Sunlight' at the moment by a >band called 'Tangerine Dream'. I think it is very good indeed. Would anyone >else agree with me? Tangerine Dream? Never heard of 'em! :-) US is one of my favorites. There isn't a second of music I don't like on that album. I love the version of Scuba Scuba they do live. The intro is to die for. Scott ob SG comment: Nice kn*ckers, eh? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 6:35 pm Subject: Re: Shreeve and two old birds Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > > Hi all, > > >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > >To Dave Hughes: what I meant by 'dated' had nothing to do with the > >synths Mark used, it had more to do with his tendencies towards trite > >disco-esque and '80s synth-poppy melodies, neither of which I felt were > >done particularly well. > > Gabe, I wasn't having a go at you or trying to put you down, man. Let me > know which of the tracks on 'Crash Head' you thought were 'trite > disco-esque and '80s synth-poppy melodies' because I can't for the life of > me think which ones you mean. Tell you what, I'll listen to the album again (been at least 2 years since I last played it), and tell you just which ones are guilty. If memory serves, I thought that the title track and 'Angels of Death' were particularly bad offenders; about the only cut I remember liking is 'Night Church'. > I lept to Mark's defense because I like his stuff. Looks like Ash and his > sledgehammer have managed to stur things up again... I can't say I'd leap to his defense, but I certainly wouldn't discourage others from trying his music. I did think that I was entitled to my opinion without others trying to convince me otherwise. > Cheers > David Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: TD Content?!? Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Tyranny of Beatty >Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:14:34 -0400 (EDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >> Awwww...come on. You know Ned Beatty got all those women in the 70's. > >Yeah, but he also got his butt ploughed by those hillbillies in >'Deliverance'... TD content, anyone? And you thought the S-Girls thread was bad?!? Hee hee hee. Har har har har. Whew. ;) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4619 Re: TD Content?!? Mark Filipak Wed 6/4/1997 3 KB 4648 Re: TD Content?!? TWeibre361@a... Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 7:45 pm Subject: re:Cashing a Money Order Whilst Having No Bank Account Really-From: 'teiwaz barana' dreamers >Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, [This is TD-related because it's the result of having won bids for items from a TD-related auction.] I'm going to be sending a money order to Klaus care of his hotel, but it occurred to me that he might encounter some difficulty in cashing it because he won't have an American bank account.< Steve buy a postal money order from the US post office and he can draw US funds from any US Post Office--no bank account problems. --teiwaz --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 7:42 pm Subject: Re: my desert island TD 10 Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: Gabe Yedid [...] > Somnambulistic Imagery (just for that 10 1/2 minute unamed piece after > 'Stratosfear') > > Gabe This must be a joke ! Although the music on SI is IMO good the sound is absolute s**t ! Any trouble with your ears, Gabe ? I got SI for about 20 $ a few years ago, but know I wouldn´t pay 0,02 $ for it ! Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 7:43 pm Subject: Re: My Vote! Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-06-04 14:55:30 EDT, you write: >could be worse...this could be the spice girls list.... >From the looks of things, I thought this was the Spice Girls list. :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 7:34 pm Subject: Re: TD Content?!? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Subject: Re: Tyranny of Beatty > >Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:14:34 -0400 (EDT) > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > >> Awwww...come on. You know Ned Beatty got all those women in the > >> 70's. > > > >Yeah, but he also got his butt ploughed by those hillbillies in > >'Deliverance'... > > TD content, anyone? And you thought the S-Girls thread was bad?!? > Hee hee hee. Har har har har. Whew. ;) I didn't think this was funny until Steve reposted it. Thanks Steve. -- Mark (everybody needs a little spice in their life) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 7:48 pm Subject: Details, details Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves HEllo Gang, I find it amazing how many people do not know the history of TD releases. A lot of the information comes through this site but seems hit the eyes and not penetrate. RE: Disky CD - This CD is a compilation of SBM material issued by Castle on the Disky label for The Netherlands. They do say 'Made In England' on them. It came out after the album remasters came out. Re: Jive Gold CDs - Jive issued these CD sets a year or so before the TD material was sold to Castle. They were packaged in a similar way like the Virgin Picture CDs were. I suspect they are actually plated in a gold/Bronze blend which some pressing plants use instead of the pure gold. They are far cheaper to make that way and thus the real cheap price on release. They appeared for the Christmas market, so they were just a special marketing ploy and nothing special. Unless you keep a complete discography. Re: DVDs - DVDs are no great new panacea for videots. They have video artifacts that are not present in laserdiscs. What are the odds of DVDs being like video tape ? Not much. While there is an improved picture and sound, they are not going to replace video tape. The vast bulk of tape-available material will not be transferred to DVDs. Why you ask ? Money! A standard video master for tape and laser costs about $15,000 to $20,000. Current costs for DVD is about $80,000. Because DVD requires three transfer passes to get all of the parts down properly. One pass for the old analog method. Only Warner is giving DVD its support. While other companies plan to be on the bandwagon, most are sitting on the sidelines to see what happens. They are not offering any format exclusive material either. The titles can be found on laser and tape too. Those respective formats are still being bought by the people were entrenched in them. Most DVDs are retail at $25 and being discounted for $18 to $20 to jump start the format. I expect it to go the way of the home DAT and Minidisc. The real push for the format is the emerging digital delivery systems for both broadcast and home viewing. CHEERS...Matt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 8:09 pm Subject: Re: my desert island TD 10 Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> Somnambulistic Imagery (just for that 10 1/2 minute unamed piece after >> 'Stratosfear') > >This must be a joke ! >Although the music on SI is IMO good the sound is absolute s**t ! >Any trouble with your ears, Gabe ? >I got SI for about 20 $ a few years ago, >but know I wouldn´t pay 0,02 $ for it ! Your CD or player must be defective, because that's the best-sounding of the '86 tour boots. And compared to most boots of other bands, it's excellent. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 8:18 pm Subject: Re: my desert island TD 10 Attachment attachment Type: text/plain Size: 1k Download From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 8:57 pm Subject: Re: my desert island TD 10 Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > Your CD or player must be defective, because that's the best-sounding of > the '86 tour boots. And compared to most boots of other bands, it's > excellent. > Scott > ---------- Hmmh 'best-sounding...', 'excellent' ? Maybe the 2CD´s were defective - but both ? Tell you what: I owned a few TD boots but only Raetikon sounds OK. Any comments to the Staatsgrenze West pink vinyl LP ? (It´s a nice 'poster' and easy to fix ´cause of the prepared whole , isn´t it ?) BTW the sound (and music) of a Sylvian, Fripp boot I own really excellent - I resold the original CD. My quality standard is higher then the old HiFi, I don´t like to use expensive HiFi equ with expensive boots to have that sound experience ! But if you like SI, just enjoy it :) Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: When was 'Vigour' recorded? Really-From: Steven Feldman I find myself listening to this and the fifth DREAM ROOTS CD more than anything else these days (even more than the 'Das Madchen Auf der Treppe '97' CD EP and *certainly more* than 'Fort Worth Runway One'). So, does anyone know when 'Vigour' was recorded? It sounds like a MELROSE outtake more than anything else, to me. Odd perception: it seems like 'Vigour' accomplishes well what tracks off TYRANNY OF BEAUTY and GOBLINS' CLUB don't accomplish well--which is jumping from riff to riff and melody to melody all over the place. While I think 'Roaring of the Bliss' and 'Beaver Town' (both from THE PRIVATE MUSIC OF TANGERINE DREAM collection) are mediocre, and 'Fort Worth Runway One' approaches being bad, 'Vigour' really stands out as being worthy of comparison to such non-album tracks as 'Story of the Brave' (off TURN OF THE TIDES) and 'Quasar' (off TYRANNY OF BEAUTY). If there were more tracks like 'Vigour' to invigorate (sorry) TANGENTS and/or DREAM ROOTS, I would have been a happier man. ;) -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 10:00 pm Subject: Re: my desert island TD 10 Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >> Somnambulistic Imagery (just for that 10 1/2 minute unamed piece > after > >> 'Stratosfear') > > > > >This must be a joke ! > >Although the music on SI is IMO good the sound is absolute s**t ! > >Any trouble with your ears, Gabe ? > > >I got SI for about 20 $ a few years ago, > >but know I wouldn´t pay 0,02 $ for it ! > > Your CD or player must be defective, because that's the best-sounding of > the '86 tour boots. And compared to most boots of other bands, it's > excellent. Too methallic. Jens Peschke is partially rigth. I had to do some digital rework on my computer to properly equalyze it, and I assure you the new sound is much better. For the ones interersted, I used Wavelab 1.6 ( a 24-bit wave non-destructive editing software by Steingberg). You were right, Gabor, It's a fantastic piece of software ! ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 10:20 pm Subject: Re: my desert island TD 10 Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hi I wonder, Has anyone here been at the EMMA ? Did anybody here taped interesting things there I'm interested in recordings of that event, so if somebody here has anything we could arrange a trade. ( private email on trades, please. Comments about EMMA wellcome on the list, at least by me) ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 4, 1997 10:25 pm Subject: SI (was: RE: my desert island TD 10) Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Your CD or player must be defective, because that's the best-sounding of >the '86 tour boots. And compared to most boots of other bands, it's >excellent. Actually, the Three-Tier Dream CD sounds better -- it almost sounds like it was 'enhanced' (i.e. I keep hearing the same round of applause...) in a studio. Anyone have any info on that? -jimbo 'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: MPEG-3 Really-From: Neal McAuley The only mention of MPEG-3 I've seen deals strictly with sound. Then again, it's generally known as MPEG3 Audio Layer. You can search on the 'Net for MPEG3 and you'll find lots of examples of it plus players for both Mac and Windows. Some of the samples I've downloaded are incredible. For example, a 11 minute song by Orbital in digital stereo, 44Khz stereo is only 11.4MB big. Neal :-) 'It must be unimaginably frustrating to be an Apple executive these days. The world is abuzz with Windows 95, whose flashiest features were first conceived more than a decade ago by Apple hackers. When Apple packaged its first Macintosh, offering a level of ease and use and integration that Microsoft still hasn`t matched, corporate users dismissed it as a toy. Now those same people are drooling at the prospect of Mac`s innovations appearing in the new Microsoft system.' --Steve Levy, Newsweek 3/17 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 1:36 am Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs Really-From: PhilPDX@a... Fun thread! I don't recall this one coming up since I've been on the list, surprisingly enough! (since 3/95) It it different mindset than picking my 10 favorite. I'd prefer a wider variety of styles than just picking my favorite period so that I don't get tired of them. In no particular order: My absolute favorites: Logos Exit Tangram Poland And others: Tangents (gotta have it, sorry) Zeit Stratosfear White Eagle Le Parc Ricochet I'd be very sad to leave behind Optical Race, Rubycon, Green Desert, and Atem. Hyperborea is one of my faves, but I love the Tangents versions, so I think I could live with it. This is tough! Phil Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4833 Re: Desert Island Discs PNaunton@a... Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 2:55 am Subject: Canyon Dreams Suite, et. al. Really-From: Vic Rek Hey Dreamers, I've been kind of frustrated reading these posts the last few days, but I guess that's expected now and then... So back to TD and related. Don't forget the soon the weekly discussion of all member solo releases will begin. Anyway, today I've been kind of random sampling my TD collection and I started playing the 12' version of 'Towards the Evening Star - Mandarin Cream Remix' - the remix by The Orb. I have to admit that I played this track 3 times, and each time louder until people walking their pets outside could hear. This track does not resemble the original at all, but I like it! I think it's cool; I've always liked that big bass feel. I recommend that ya'll pick this up before you regret it later on. Then I started playing the infamous 'SoundTRAX' CD-R (still playing it) and a few tracks got my attention, such as 'Part 3 - A Wild Shore' from The Canyon Dreams Suite and 'Phase II' from The Red Heat Suite. And there's other cool stuff on this disk, but again, quality varies. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4689 Re: Canyon Dreams Suite, et. al. Jim Moore Fri 6/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 6:29 am Subject: Re: Tyranny of Beatty Really-From: '(DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > Awwww...come on. You know Ned Beatty got all those women in the 70's. > > Yeah, but he also got his butt ploughed by those hillbillies in > 'Deliverance'... > Which just goes to show you he can take it like a man..er...heh heh....ok...you win. DJS From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 6:50 am Subject: top 10 Really-From: AslanFan1@a... Desert Isles Discs ( a bit of his, a bit of that) Ricochet Force Majeure Tangram Logos White Eagle Underwater Sunglight Melrose The Man Inside 220 Volts Dream Mixes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 19824 top 10 pergamon@xxxxxxx.xx Thu 12/16/1999 1 KB 19825 Re: top 10 LILDAVID72@a... Fri 12/17/1999 3 KB 19826 Re: top 10 Sean Montgomery Fri 12/17/1999 1 KB 19839 Re: top 10 Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Fri 12/17/1999 1 KB 22778 Re: top 10 mmje@m... Thu 6/1/2000 2 KB 22788 Re: top 10 aoutland@a... Sat 6/3/2000 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 9:10 am Subject: New(er) TD Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' As I am now venturing beyond the 70's in regards to TD music, I was wondering where a good place to start is? Robert Grawbowsky made me a copy of Ardem O and I loved it. (Thanx Robert, how was the CoAE copy?) Do any of the newer TD releases sound anything like Ardem O and if so, which ones??? Stephen Feldman: I saw Lupin III: Castle Cagliostro this week in my Japanese Anime club on campus. I absolutely LOVED it. It amazes me to think it was made almost 20 years ago. Miyazaki is a genius. Do you like Vision of Escaflowne??? reading the Necronomicon, Maxwell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 8:41 am Subject: TD and only TD!! Really-From: ashok prema OK Guys, So which, in your opinion, is the worst/cheesiest TD track title to date?? I remember an article by some journalist years ago who said of the track on 'Phaedra' ' the ridiculously named 'Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares'........' In fact the journalist was Karl Dallas (I remember now!) and he was much into TD at the time - personally, I thought the title was magical and portrayed the music so very well! Have you discussed this subject before perhaps?? Ash PS If anyone is interested in a copy of 'Oranges Don't Dance' - please mail me privately with your offer......... I remember now that it was this title which I thought was one of TD's worst!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4640 Re: TD and only TD!! Grant Middleton Thu 6/5/1997 3 KB 4643 Re: TD and only TD!! Mark Filipak Thu 6/5/1997 3 KB 4646 Re: TD and only TD!! Greg Heil Thu 6/5/1997 3 KB 4647 Re: TD and only TD!! Steve McCready Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB 4651 Re: TD and only TD!! Plumer, Scott Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB 4652 Re: TD and only TD!! Dennis Nigbur Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB 4653 Re: TD and only TD!! Dennis Nigbur Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB 4660 Re: TD and only TD!! Grant Middleton Thu 6/5/1997 3 KB 4661 Re: TD and only TD!! Sean Montgomery Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 8:57 am Subject: Re: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' Craig Cordrey wrote: > > There is TD stuff in here - just bear with me a moment. > > Yup, I still think this is cra... sorry, I still don't like > this album. I really, really want to like this, since it > seems so popular amongst other listees, but just don't get > it. > > Is there something wrong with me? Can someone explain why > this strikes them as a great piece of music? OK, I'll bite. Tangram was the first TD album I was ever given. I got it for the Christmas of the year it was released in the UK. That Xmas had a really nice vibe to it and Tangram will forever be associated with that year. The 'Winter scenes' inner sleeve photos only served to enhance the feelings. So, for me, Tangram is an album that evokes a host of memories and sensations in me (arguably completely unrelated to the music itself). In a sense, it's holds a place like Sgt Pepper's holds in many people's hearts - a reminder of a great point in life. Musically, it's got its moments, but on the whole it's not in the same league as my other favourites. The production is very sparse-sounding (possibly to emphasise the 'winter' feel) and the sections are very clumsily moved between - nothing like the compositional brilliance of Force Majeure. > Am I mad? Yes, but we've all known THAT for years ! > Is this heresy? No - it's a valid opinion, which, in at least one sense, I agree with. (I think we're agreeing on waaaay too much, these days :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4639 Re: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Greg Heil Thu 6/5/1997 3 KB 4642 Re: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Grant Middleton Thu 6/5/1997 4 KB 4644 Re: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Greg Heil Thu 6/5/1997 3 KB 4678 Re: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Morgan Marks Thu 6/5/1997 3 KB 4695 Re: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Michael Trinastic Fri 6/6/1997 4 KB 4697 Re: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Greg Heil Fri 6/6/1997 3 KB 4700 Re: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Morgan Marks Fri 6/6/1997 3 KB 4701 Re: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Michael Trinastic Fri 6/6/1997 4 KB 4762 Re: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Ian Shillingford Sun 6/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 9:09 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #939 Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' > > Back to music, > I heard some of Mike Oldfield's 'Five Miles Out', it wasn't that great. > Is this the same guy that did Tubular Bells? I'm confused. Yeah, scarier than The Evil Dead, isn't it ? Get 'The Songs of Distant Earth' and forget all the c**p of the '80s. Tenuous TD content follows... NP - Hoenig/Gottsching Early Water. -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Cheezy track titles Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... >Really-From: ashok prema > > >OK Guys, > >So which, in your opinion, is the worst/cheesiest TD track title to date?? SCUBA SCUBA, without a shadow of a doubt, although all those po-faced 'spacey' titles from the early years sound pretty leaden and dated now - 'Birth of Liquid Pleijades', 'Origin of Supernaturnal Probablilities', 'Astral Voyager', etc. TD have always been pretty bad at titles. What the hell is 'Goblins Club' or 'Melrose'? I know that the latter is taken from Melrose Avenue, where private music was based. I live in Telford Crescent, but if I made a record I wouldn't call it 'Telford', for God's sake :-) For good titles, cf. Johannes ('The Rise of the Smooth Automaton'), Haslinger ('Urban Source Code') or practically anything by Schulze. 'The Looper Isn't a Hooker', 'Brave Old Sequence', 'Percussion Planante' etc. Wonderful. The kind of phrases that make me think 'I wish I'd thought of that'. One really good TD title, though: 'Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal'. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4686 Re: Cheezy track titles Jim Moore Fri 6/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 9:32 am Subject: Re: Some TD at last... Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > ob SG comment: Nice kn*ckers, eh? Nice knackers ??? But they're the Spice GIRLS !!! Ooooohhh....nice knIckers ! Tenuous TD link... NP - Hoenig/Gottsching Early Waters. If you like 'Departure...' you'll like this, otherwise leave alone. A bit like Ricochet/Sorcerer but nowhere near as good. -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 9:57 am Subject: Re: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Musically, it's got its moments, but on the whole it's not > in the same league as my other favourites. The production > is very sparse-sounding (possibly to emphasise the 'winter' > feel) and the sections are very clumsily moved between - > nothing like the compositional brilliance of Force Majeure. > I would totally think the opposite. Tangram has the most wonderful transitions I've heard any song ever come up with! Please tell me how many other albums can move from a very hard and upbeat sequencer and guitar portion to an extremely mellow and soft sounding section in such good fashion? I think if you could take Tangram and pull it from all sides, and not even a tiny tear would appear--that's how well I think it is put together! IMO :o) What do you mean about 'The prouction is very sparse-sounding...?' I have to defend my favorite album! Greg From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 9:53 am Subject: Re: TD and only TD!! Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: ashok prema > > So which, in your opinion, is the worst/cheesiest TD track title to date?? Nice work, Ash. A good uncontroversial game for all the TD family. The one I hate saying is '3am at the Border of the Marsh on Okifenokee (sp?)'. Some of the Stuntman titles are way silly, too. 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert' indeed. As for the Melrose thread, I'd have to say that I love the titles 'Cherokee Lane' and 'Coldwater Canyon'. -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 10:10 am Subject: Optical Race LP running times Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi All. Would someone who has the LP version of 'Optical Race' please post the track times. Actual times are preferred but labeled times will due. I'm adding up the times and come out with an impossibly long LP. For convenience, you needn't label the tracks. Here's a fill-in: 1- 2- 3- 4- 5- 6- 7- 8- 9- 10- Thanks -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4655 Re: Optical Race LP running times Brian_Kirby@p... Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB 4796 Re: Optical Race LP running times PNaunton@a... Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 10:51 am Subject: Re: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > Musically, it's got its moments, but on the whole it's not > > in the same league as my other favourites. The production > > is very sparse-sounding (possibly to emphasise the 'winter' > > feel) and the sections are very clumsily moved between - > > nothing like the compositional brilliance of Force Majeure. > > I would totally think the opposite. Tangram has the most wonderful > transitions I've heard any song ever come up with! Please tell me how many > other albums can move from a very hard and upbeat sequencer and guitar > portion to an extremely mellow and soft sounding section in such good > fashion? Force Majeure does it far more skillfully, IMO. To back this up, I'd say that Tangram goes more for the fade out one bit/fade in another bit approach, whereas FM actually integrates the transitions as a valid part of the music - nothing is redundant. > I think if you could take Tangram and pull it from all sides, and > not even a tiny tear would appear--that's how well I think it is put > together! IMO :o) Well, let's agree to disagree. The 'fault lines' are VERY apparent to me - one tap and it would crumble into about 20 different pieces. > What do you mean about 'The prouction is very sparse-sounding...?' It seems to be lots of instruments all playing together but very 'separate' in their sonic space. This is not a bad thing, but I much prefer gothic soundscapes like Phaedra or Rubycon. On Tangram, they used little in the way of lingering reverbs or lead lines echoed off to infinity - most sounds are seriously 'close' to the listener, if not completely 'in-yer-face'. > I have to defend my favorite album! Of course, and I really don't like tearing it apart. As I said, it is one of my fave TD albums, albeit not for its music as such. -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 10:49 am Subject: Re: TD and only TD!! Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: ashok prema > > OK Guys, > > So which, in your opinion, is the worst/cheesiest TD track title > to date?? > > I remember an article by some journalist years ago who said of the > track on 'Phaedra' ' the ridiculously named 'Semblance at the Strand > of Nightmares'........' In fact the journalist was Karl Dallas (I > remember now!) and he was much into TD at the time - personally, I > thought the title was magical and portrayed the music so very well! My pick for cheesiest title is 'Treasure of Innocence.' No offense, Edgar, but it's a pretty cheesy song too, so I guess the title fits. Too bad it wound up at the end of an otherwise good and otherwise live album -- nice capper, Edgar. But you didn't hear that from me. ;-) -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 11:37 am Subject: Re: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Force Majeure does it far more skillfully, IMO. To back this up, > I'd say that Tangram goes more for the fade out one bit/fade in > another bit approach, whereas FM actually integrates the > transitions as a valid part of the music - nothing is redundant. My favorite transition occurs on Logos. Where (excuse me for not knowing the different section) after the 'Wake Up' part as it continues at at a steady pace, the sounds deconstruct and but one background sequencer is left as it follows into the next section--hard to explain! See around the 20 minute mark. It's quite amazing because even though these are two different sections, the timing is exact on the carry over of the sequencer. Even though as you say, the other sounds just fade out and this is an easy way of bridgeing to the next section--I'm just fascinated with the idea and execution of this part of the album. I have not yet heard Force Majeure! So I can't yet say if Tangram is more sucessful than the other in my opinion. Greg From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 12:06 pm Subject: Re: Some TD at last... Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' >NP - Hoenig/Gottsching Early Waters. If you like 'Departure...' you'll > like this, otherwise leave alone. A bit like Ricochet/Sorcerer > but nowhere near as good. I don't see the comparison to Ricochet/Sorcerer at all, but I think this is a truly great recording. Done in one night as a rehersal for a tour which never materialized as I recall. Classic EM and definitely worth your hard earned cash if you come across it. A must for Ashra fans, Hoenig fans, and I'd even have to say Klaus Schulze fans. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 11:57 am Subject: Re: TD and only TD!! Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > Really-From: ashok prema > > > > OK Guys, > > > > So which, in your opinion, is the worst/cheesiest TD track title > > to date?? > > > > I remember an article by some journalist years ago who said of the > > track on 'Phaedra' ' the ridiculously named 'Semblance at the Strand > > of Nightmares'........' In fact the journalist was Karl Dallas (I > > remember now!) and he was much into TD at the time - personally, I > > thought the title was magical and portrayed the music so very well! > > My pick for cheesiest title is 'Treasure of Innocence.' No offense, > Edgar, but it's a pretty cheesy song too, so I guess the title fits. > Too bad it wound up at the end of an otherwise good and otherwise live > album -- nice capper, Edgar. > > But you didn't hear that from me. ;-) -- Mark Hmm.. Lets try to get somebody interested in Tangerine Dream by giving out a few titles of some tracks they can listen to! Well lets just see how good a 'Birdwatcher's Dream' is, maybe while we are at it, we can catch the 'Little blond in the park of attractions?' Nah, We'd be 'Living in a fountain pen' if it were not for the 'Change of the gods' so we can afford to live in 'San Rocco!' Well maybe the 'Alaskan Summer' might be 'Too Hot For My Chinchilla' that I'll need a 'Pengiun Reference' to keep my 'Body Corporate.' And 'Mount Shasta' is certainally only for the 'Optical Race', who have 'Atlas Eyes!', but the 'Lifted Veil' certainally wont hide 'Graffiti Street' in the upside of 'Funky Atlanta!' I tried! =o) No offence to any of those songs though! Greg From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 7:30 pm Subject: Re: TD and only TD!! Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready) On Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:41:35 +0100, Ashok asked: >So which, in your opinion, is the worst/cheesiest TD track title to date?? The first one that comes to mind is 'Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender', largely because it's on Cyclone, and that album gets so much flak anyway. -Steve sbm@p... Sacramento, CA From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 12:40 pm Subject: Re: TD Content?!? Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-06-04 16:08:42 EDT, you write: << >Yeah, but he also got his butt ploughed by those hillbillies in >'Deliverance'... >> one of the best movies ever made....anyone have the soundtrack? tom w np: fila brazillia - maim that tune From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 1:13 pm Subject: Re: Tangram Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > My favorite transition occurs on Logos. Where (excuse me for not knowing > the different section) after the 'Wake Up' part as it continues at at a > steady pace, the sounds deconstruct and but one background sequencer is > left as it follows into the next section--hard to explain! See around the > 20 minute mark. It's quite amazing because even though these are two > different sections, the timing is exact on the carry over of the sequencer. > Even though as you say, the other sounds just fade out and this is an easy > way of bridgeing to the next section--I'm just fascinated with the idea and > execution of this part of the album. This is definitely an exception to the rule ! :) Logos has some beautiful bridge sections on it and the transition you described excellently above is right up there with the best of them ! > I have not yet heard Force Majeure! So I can't yet say if Tangram is more > sucessful than the other in my opinion. Get it, get it, get it !!! I promise you, if you like Tangram, you'll love FM. -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4679 Re: Tangram Morgan Marks Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB 4698 Re: Tangram Greg Heil Fri 6/6/1997 3 KB 5055 Tangram Mathew Hargreaves Mon 6/16/1997 2 KB 5085 Re: Tangram TangerineC@a... Tue 6/17/1997 2 KB 5089 Re: Tangram Greg Heil Tue 6/17/1997 3 KB 5092 Legend Question Paul Nagle Tue 6/17/1997 3 KB 19968 Tangram John Marchington Wed 12/22/1999 2 KB 20054 Tangram AslanFan1@xxx.xxx Thu 12/30/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 1:24 pm Subject: swap list solicited Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers CD, vinyl and *tape* swap lists/exchanges solicited. Please send me your list/s or e-mail me off-list for mine. thanks Lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 1:22 pm Subject: RE: TD and only TD!! Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >OK Guys, What about the ladies? :-) >So which, in your opinion, is the worst/cheesiest TD track title to date?? A toss-up: Birth of Liquid Plejades Bent Cold Sidewalk Penguin Reference Actually, I think Penguin Reference gets my vote. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 6:25 pm Subject: Re: TD and only TD!! Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:41:35 +0100 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: ashok prema > > >OK Guys, > >So which, in your opinion, is the worst/cheesiest TD track title to date?? 'Little Blonde in the Park of Attractions' comes to my mind. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 6:33 pm Subject: Re: TD and only TD!! Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Thu, 05 Jun 1997 10:53:12 +0100 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > >Some of the Stuntman titles are way silly, too. >'Drunken Mozart in the Desert' indeed. I loved the titles on that album. 'Stuntman' sounds boring, but with the others... 'It would be like Samoa', 'A Dali-esque sleep fuse', 'Detroit snack bar dreamer', 'Drunken Mozart in the desert', 'Scarlet score for Mescalero'... GREAT!! Quite nice to see Edgar not taking himself very seriously there. They _are_ silly, but what's wrong with that? Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 1:27 pm Subject: Re[2]: TD and only TD!! Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... On Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:41:35 +0100, Ashok asked: >So which, in your opinion, is the worst/cheesiest TD track title to date?? Good one! I'd have to agree with whoever it was that first suggested 'Funky Atlanta' (look out Parliament, here come TD!), and, of course, 'Backstreet Hero.' -B. Kirby NP: The English Patient Soundtrack - Various Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4658 Re: Re[2]: TD and only TD!! Plumer, Scott Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB 4670 Re: Re[2]: TD and only TD!! Amatodo@a... Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB 4687 Re: Re[2]: TD and only TD!! Jim Moore Fri 6/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 1:30 pm Subject: Re: Optical Race LP running times Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: Mark Filipak >Hi All. Would someone who has the LP version of 'Optical Race' please >post the track times. Actual times are preferred but labeled times >will due. I'm adding up the times and come out with an impossibly long >LP. For convenience, you needn't label the tracks. Here's a fill-in: I don't have the LP handy, but I do recall that one of the songs (either 'Turning off the Wheel' or 'Midnight Trail') was actually about a minute shorter than its listed time. The LP was around 55 minutes long, however. -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: What's on ORANGES DON'T DANCE? Really-From: Steven Feldman I forgot what ORANGES DON'T DANCE is. Is it a boot or the name of a promo CD EP? If the latter, what tracks are on it, again? (I might have a 'TD Pocket Discography,' but it doesn't list EPs and singles, a situation I think I'll have to rectify soon.) -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 6:55 pm Subject: Goblins Club (was: Enigma vs. .. ) Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On 02 Jun 1997 14:47:03 GMT tadream mailing list , Antonio Nunes wrote: >As I've already said on this list before, GC sounds to me just like a >sampler of different artists, and not a concept album. Maybe I am missing the >'spirit' of this album? If the album hasn't managed to persuade you that there is a superordinate idea to it, then this probably won't help (no offense, I for myself still haven't figured out the 'spirit' of Rockoon and Tyranny of Beauty, for instance), but it certainly does move me and shift my mood into a certain direction. I think this album has a very mellow and mysterious atmosphere. It conjures up visions of nocturnal woods and lakes, somewhere in the league of a fantasy scenario, or medieval Britain... a light breeze, the quiet sound of water moving, and silent gatherings of all sorts of real or imaginary creatures, or merely the faint glow of spirits hovering in the air (a wizard's tower would quite fit the picture too). A more eerie than peaceful setting, where the only way to hasten your own thoughts is to lose yourself in the sky or the water... and finally, towards the end of the album (especially the last track), the sun rising and all the weird creatures and goings-on of the night dissolving in the morning dew, the wood, the lake, and the sky all ready for a new day... It's probably just my own warped imagination, but these thoughts follow me around whenever I play or even consider playing 'Goblins Club', thus creating the 'spirit' you were talking about. I don't think at all that the pieces on this album are disconnected and scattered all over the place. I think it's 'picture music' of the most elaborate kind. Dennis P.S.: I think that two non-GC titles that would very neatly fit into the atmosphere this album has for me, are 'Sudden Revelation' from Canyon Dreams and 'Mysterious Semblance' from Phaedra. Get my point? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4666 Re: Goblins Club (was: Enigma vs. .. ) np97FA - np97FA Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB 4671 Re: Goblins Club (was: Enigma vs. .. ) GrafZeigen@a... Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB 4690 Re: Goblins Club (was: Enigma vs. .. ) Jim Moore Fri 6/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 3:12 pm Subject: RE: Re[2]: TD and only TD!! Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>So which, in your opinion, is the worst/cheesiest TD track title to date?? > Good one! I'd have to agree with whoever it was that first suggested 'Funky > Atlanta' (look out Parliament, here come TD!), and, of course, 'Backstreet > Hero.' Those are OK, but they kinda make sense, in a twisted way. 'Birth of Liquid Pejades' and 'Penguin Reference' are just total nonsense. That's what I like about 'em. :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 3:48 pm Subject: I'm outta here (no hard feelings) Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' Well folks, it's been cool to be back on the Tadream list for the past few months. I've met some new net-friends and found out about lots of discs worth checking. I'm starting a new job one week from tomorrow, so my e-mail address will be changing, but I'll still be posting regularly to GoldTri, so if anyone wants to contact me, you can probably find out my address from there. This account will close on Friday 13th June (my last day of work at DMA Design). Thanks once again to Dave and all the list members for making Tadream what it is. -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Byeee ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'You're going forward as you look behind' -------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4662 Re: I'm outta here (no hard feelings) Brian Frick Thu 6/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 3:51 pm Subject: Re: TD and only TD!! Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Those are OK, but they kinda make sense, in a twisted way. 'Birth of > Liquid Pejades' and 'Penguin Reference' are just total nonsense. That's > what I like about 'em. :-) 'Plejades' always sounded Greek to me. Is it pronounced 'Pleh-Jah-Deez' or 'Pleh-Jaidz' ? Is it in fact a greek word ? What does it mean ? Does 'Birth of Liquid Plejades' make sense once the meaning of 'Plejades' is known ? Can I ask all these questions in one post (sorry, Craig) ? -------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ E-Mail : grantm@d... Grunt ! [, @ Web : http://www.dma-design.com/ \______/ /\ /\ 'Use your wheels - it is what they are for' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 3:59 pm Subject: Re: TD and only TD!! Really-From: Sean Montgomery > So which, in your opinion, is the worst/cheesiest TD track title to date?? There are a few choice ones from Dead Solid Perfect: 'My Name is Bad Hair' 'A Whore in One' But since the band didn't choose them, they can't be held responsible. As far as official albums go...Treasure of Innocence is right up there, yessir. How about a thread for GREAT titles? I pick 'Mothers of Rain' as my favourite. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 4:45 pm Subject: Re: I'm outta here (no hard feelings) Really-From: Brian Frick tadream mailing list wrote: > Well folks, it's been cool to be back on the Tadream list for > the past few months. I've met some new net-friends and found out > about lots of discs worth checking. Great!! Glad to hear you enjoyed the list. Hope you'll stick around the other one, though.... > I'm starting a new job one week from tomorrow, so my e-mail address > will be changing, but I'll still be posting regularly to GoldTri, > so if anyone wants to contact me, you can probably find out > my address from there. This account will close on Friday 13th June > (my last day of work at DMA Design). Good luck with your new job, and with everything that comes with it! :) > Thanks once again to Dave and all the list members for making > Tadream what it is. Good luck!! :) See you on the other lists!! :) -- Later! -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 4:58 pm Subject: td in warsaw Really-From: Armin Theissen Hi, as I read on the TD homepage newsticker, the concert in Warsaw (June 13th) will be broadcasted by Polish TV in its entire length! Please please fans in Poland with a VCR: tape it!!!!! And copy! armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4761 td in warsaw Piotr Trzcionkowski Sun 6/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 4:58 pm Subject: Re: TD and only TD!! Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> Those are OK, but they kinda make sense, in a twisted way. 'Birth of >> Liquid Pejades' and 'Penguin Reference' are just total nonsense. That's >> what I like about 'em. :-) >'Plejades' always sounded Greek to me. Is it pronounced 'Pleh-Jah-Deez' >or 'Pleh-Jaidz' ? Is it in fact a greek word ? What does it mean ? >Does 'Birth of Liquid Plejades' make sense once the meaning of >'Plejades' is known ? I think it's pronounced plee-ah-dees. There's a star cluster called The Pleaides, which is probably what they're referring to. I'm sure it makes perfect sense if you're on acid. :-) >Can I ask all these questions in one post (sorry, Craig) ? I don't know, can you? If so, why? Or why not? Just how many questions _can_ you ask? :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 1:09 am Subject: Drunken Mozart in the Desert Really-From: np97fa@m... (np97FA - np97FA) Grant Middleton wrote: << Some of the Stuntman titles are way silly, too. 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert' indeed. >> Actually this title has a meaning. The story is printed in the 'Beyond the Storm' booklet, and I quote it: << Remembers Froese: 'The idea originated when I visited one of my favourite places in the US, the Red Rock in the Mojave Desert in the 1970s. During a very rare thunderstorm in the region we stopped in the middle of nowhere. As was my custom I had a couple of cassettes of Wolfgang Amadeus with me, so I listened to the Zauberflote (The Magic Flute) for two hours in the middle of this Californian desert. Country, Blues and rock work perfectly in this landscape because it's absolutely earthbound. But Mozart sounded so strange, almost like being on another planet. This memory struck me for a long time. 'Drunken Mozart' reflects a part of that feeling.' >> Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 1:17 am Subject: Re: Goblins Club (was: Enigma vs. .. ) Really-From: np97fa@m... (np97FA - np97FA) Thanks Dennis for sharing your impressions about GC. Considering that I only started enjoying Atem about 5 years after its purchase, there's still hope that I will enjoy GC before the year 2001 :-) Now, any volunteers to defend Rockoon and Tyranny of Beauty? ;-) Antonio Nunes n.p. Johannes Schmoelling 'Wuivend Riet' (first listening) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 5:38 pm Subject: Re: TD and only TD!! Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 5, 12:58pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: TD and only TD!! > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >> Those are OK, but they kinda make sense, in a twisted way. 'Birth of > >> Liquid Pejades' and 'Penguin Reference' are just total nonsense. > That's > >> what I like about 'em. :-) > > >'Plejades' always sounded Greek to me. Is it pronounced 'Pleh-Jah-Deez' > >or 'Pleh-Jaidz' ? Is it in fact a greek word ? What does it mean ? > >Does 'Birth of Liquid Plejades' make sense once the meaning of > >'Plejades' is known ? > I think it's pronounced plee-ah-dees. There's a star cluster called The > Pleaides, which is probably what they're referring to. I'm sure it makes > perfect sense if you're on acid. :-) Well, the name itself is derived from Greek mythology, and refers to the seven dauthers of Atlas who were turned into stars by Zeus to put them away from Orion's reach (which is why the Plejades are sometime called the 7 sisters -- of course, with a good telescope, it can be seen that there are a lot more than 7 stars out there). At least, that's how the Greeks explained the presence of the star cluster. As to how much sense it makes while on acid, I'll have to take your word for it, since the strongest thing I use is root beer... C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 5:50 pm Subject: Early Water Really-From: Ken Alexander Where can Hoenig/Gottsching's _Early Water_ be found these days? I tried to order it when it came out, but it was already sold out, and I haven't seen it available anywhere since. Thanks, -Ken > Really-From: Vic Rek > > >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > >NP - Hoenig/Gottsching Early Waters. If you like 'Departure...' you'll > > like this, otherwise leave alone. A bit like Ricochet/Sorcerer > > but nowhere near as good. > > I don't see the comparison to Ricochet/Sorcerer at all, but I think this is > a truly great recording. Done in one night as a rehersal for a tour which > never materialized as I recall. Classic EM and definitely worth your hard > earned cash if you come across it. A must for Ashra fans, Hoenig fans, and > I'd even have to say Klaus Schulze fans. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4672 Re: Early Water Capel Martyn Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 6:36 pm Subject: TD tour etc. Really-From: Klaus Beschorner Three little things : For those of your who subscribe to DREAM COLLECTOR and try to meet me during my US trip : I'm second from left on the foto on page 9 in the just-released #17. The north pole contest on TD's website : from what I know about both Edgar and Jerome's knowledge of mathematics, I expect the worst. They're sworn-in kabbalists ;-) Most important : can any of our Polish list members keep an open eye and an empty videotape for the broadcast of the show in Warsaw, June 13, as announced on the homepage ? Maybe have a look at the (local?) news late that night as well, there might be short reports. Anybody out there, or do I have to alarm all friends living near enough to the border to catch Polish TV ? Can you get it in Berlin ? -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 7:00 pm Subject: Re: Re[2]: TD and only TD!! Really-From: Amatodo@a... 'Birth of Liquid Plejades' is a bit cheesy, but there is a Dali painting called 'Birth of Liquid Desires'. Let's give cheese credit where cheese credit is due! Still waiting for the US tour!!! Jeff From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 7:27 pm Subject: Re: Goblins Club (was: Enigma vs. .. ) Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-06-05 15:10:40 EDT, you write: << Now, any volunteers to defend Rockoon and Tyranny of Beauty? ;-) >> Yes, it's time for me to put on my asbestos Haz-Mat suit, come out of the closet, and say......I LIKE ROCKOON AND TYRANNY OF BEAUTY!!! (Both more than GC, for sure). Graf :D From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 8:10 pm Subject: Re: Early Water Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) >Where can Hoenig/Gottsching's _Early Water_ be found these days? >I tried to order it when it came out, but it was already sold out, >and I haven't seen it available anywhere since. > >Thanks, >-Ken Hello, Put me down as one who would love to have this recording as well. Please help! Martyn >> a truly great recording. Done in one night as a rehersal for a tour which >> never materialized as I recall. Classic EM and definitely worth your hard >> earned cash if you come across it. A must for Ashra fans, Hoenig fans, and >> I'd even have to say Klaus Schulze fans. > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 8:28 pm Subject: Shreeve and two old Birds Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all, >Really-From: Gabe Yedid >Tell you what, I'll listen to the album again (been at least 2 years >since I last played it), and tell you just which ones are guilty. If >memory serves, I thought that the title track and 'Angels of Death' were >particularly bad offenders; about the only cut I remember liking is >'Night Church'. I've got this one in the machine at the moment and it still rocks. Yikes - this is a 1988 album. Makes ya feel old... The title track is superb but I think you maybe have a point about 'discoesque melodies' on 'Angels of Death'... However, 'Darkness comes' is to die for. Also, you're probably listening to the CD version from Centaur. I'm sure that the vinyl version sounded better than the CD. Something got lost in the conversion... Incidentally, these titles were not the original titles for the compositions. In a recent interview (Zenith, I think ) Mark said that they were all invented by someone at Jive Electro who was seriously into Stephen King. I wonder were Edgar gets his ideas for titles from? I mean, 'Lamb with Radar Eyes' sounds like they'd been down the beir kellar a bit too much or maybe too much strong stilton cheese before bed? Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4684 Re: Shreeve and two old Birds Gabe Yedid Fri 6/6/1997 3 KB 4693 Anyone familiar with SongSearch? Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 6/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 9:06 pm Subject: Say Cheeze! Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... Hi all: Worst (cheesiest) song title? As an artist (painter and graphic) and musician (traditional and electronic) [both at various times in my life] I must say that I find this topic somewhat disturbing. I know from personal experience how difficult it is to come up with a new original 'fresh' title for a work of art (in any medium). I mean, how exciting is 'Untitled' to the average art gallery viewer? In the end, all titles come from within the creator and some significant relevance to the artist obtained from their own personal experience inspired them enough to share it with the rest of the world. That's what makes it art. Well, that said...I really have a problem with 'Too Hot For My Chinchilla'. Perhaps that was an experience best not shared with the world. :-) Graf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4676 Re: Say Cheeze! Sean Montgomery Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB 4680 Re: Say Cheeze! Morgan Marks Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB 4682 Re: Say Cheeze! Sean Montgomery Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB 4715 Re: Say Cheeze! GrafZeigen@a... Fri 6/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: To Maxwell Croy (I accidentally deleted your address) Really-From: Steven Feldman Maxwell, Re NAUSICAA subtitled laserdisk: there's no such animal, and never was. Maybe in a year or two, though, via the big D. Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Emdreams, CNI News, Contact ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Forum, _PEER_ Perspectives, ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ the Nausicaa list, Tadream, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ & Hong Kong Film Connection ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: sfeldman@w... ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 9:18 pm Subject: Re: Say Cheeze! Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Well, that said...I really have a problem with 'Too Hot For My Chinchilla'. > Perhaps that was an experience best not shared with the world. :-) The tangs explained it in the TDIFC newsletter...it was a cheeky reference to high society types who lament the days when it's just too damned hot to wrap themselves in their expensive furs. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 5:30 am Subject: Arrgghh!! Really-From: Steve Yensen Having been away enjoying myself at the company's expense in Munich for the last week (oh what a giveaway), I'm totally inundated with mail messages from and many others. Please bear with me if any messages addressed to me personally take some time to answer. Sorry, but that's life, I'm afraid. Steve. (aka Harassed of Nottingham) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 11:18 pm Subject: Re: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Really-From: Morgan Marks At 02:57 AM 6/5/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > >I would totally think the opposite. Tangram has the most wonderful >transitions I've heard any song ever come up with! Please tell me how many >other albums can move from a very hard and upbeat sequencer and guitar >portion to an extremely mellow and soft sounding section in such good >fashion? Pergamon, Logos, Poland and Force Majeure transition perfectly (actually, the present European concert tour's first set is also a contender) , but I don't think Tangram fits this category. (fireproof clothing firmly in place...) >I think if you could take Tangram and pull it from all sides, and >not even a tiny tear would appear--that's how well I think it is put >together! IMO :o) >What do you mean about 'The prouction is very sparse-sounding...?' (placing on ANOTHER pair of fireproof pants), what two things are completely missing from Tangram? Strings/vocal sounds Bass Let me take a stand on this by saying that, yes, I like Tangram. I like Pergamon more, but I still like Tangram. Regardless of what anyone says to me, I will always associate one word with the Tangram album: 'beepy!' Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 11:22 pm Subject: Re: Tangram Really-From: Morgan Marks At 04:37 AM 6/5/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > >My favorite transition occurs on Logos. Where (excuse me for not knowing >the different section) after the 'Wake Up' part as it continues at at a >steady pace, the sounds deconstruct and but one background sequencer is >left as it follows into the next section--hard to explain! See around the >20 minute mark. The time period that you're describing is 'Blue part', which is my favorite of the Logos concerts. Have you heard the updated version which was played during the 1988 concerts? It's located on Tangents and the Three Phase video. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 11:30 pm Subject: Re: Say Cheeze! Really-From: Morgan Marks At 05:18 PM 6/5/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Sean Montgomery >The tangs explained it in the TDIFC newsletter...it was a cheeky reference >to high society types who lament the days when it's just too damned hot to >wrap themselves in their expensive furs. Are the TDIFC newsletters archived online somewhere? Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4682 Re: Say Cheeze! Sean Montgomery Thu 6/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Translation (non-TD) Really-From: Ryan Smith Sorry for the off-topic question but I'm working on an experimental film project and I need to know the German translation for 'Television: The Anti-Christ'. Kaldari kaldari@c... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4683 Re: Translation (non-TD) Robin Esterhammer Fri 6/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 10:39 pm Subject: Re: Say Cheeze! Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Are the TDIFC newsletters archived online somewhere? Not that I'm aware of...hmm.. Perhaps someone could ask the TD Office about the possibility of putting them on the website? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 12:24 am Subject: Re: Translation (non-TD) Really-From: Robin Esterhammer Dear Kaldari, In reference to your translation demand: That depends on the context, but if you are referring to television as the institution, it would be translated: 'Fernsehen: Der Antichrist' Hope to have been of help. Keep 'em coming. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 12:57 am Subject: Re: Shreeve and two old Birds Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > > I've got this one in the machine at the moment and it still rocks. Yikes - > this is a 1988 album. Makes ya feel old... > > The title track is superb but I think you maybe have a point about > 'discoesque melodies' on 'Angels of Death'... However, 'Darkness comes' is I also stand by my opinion of the title track. 'It' is maybe not discoesque, but impressed me, after all this time, as being more than a little Jarre-esque. > to die for. Also, you're probably listening to the CD version from Centaur. > I'm sure that the vinyl version sounded better than the CD. Something got > lost in the conversion... No, actually, my copy is a vinyl from 1988. > > I wonder were Edgar gets his ideas for titles from? I mean, 'Lamb with > Radar Eyes' sounds like they'd been down the beir kellar a bit too much or > maybe too much strong stilton cheese before bed? I think that may have been Jerome's choice... > Cheers > David > Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4693 Anyone familiar with SongSearch? Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 6/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 1:50 am Subject: Desert Island discs Really-From: Ian Shillingford Hello to all. I've been a fan of Tangerine Dream for over ten years, but I've been a reader of this mail-list for only one day :-). So I'll take the easy option and add my thoughts on desert island discs. (I'll assume that the albums most often in my CD player are my favourites ;-) Pergamon Ricochet Rubycon Encore Logos Live 220 Volt Live ... I seem to enjoy their live work! P.S. This probably belongs in the 'silly questions' box, but just *how* rare is a Theta-label Zoo_of_Tranquility? I was lucky enough to grab one when they were first released. I'm in Australia so some things are hard-to-get anyway. -Ian Shillingford EonS@c... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 2:06 am Subject: RE: Cheezy track titles Really-From: Jim Moore > What the >hell is 'Goblins Club' or 'Melrose'? I know that the latter is taken >from Melrose Avenue, where private music was based. I live in >Telford Crescent, but if I made a record I wouldn't call it >'Telford', for God's sake :-) I got to spend a couple of weekends in L.A. last December, and I took a drive down Melrose, with the TD song playing, and I found it to be quite appropriate. In fact, the entire album seemed to fit the atmosphere of L.A. I also took Franke's PCH to Huntington Beach (which is right off the Pacific Coast Highway, btw) with me -- an equally fitting album for it's namesake... I'm still always amazed how well these guys can create a song that completely captures the environment of a certain location. - jimbo 'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 2:11 am Subject: RE: Re[2]: TD and only TD!! Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... > Good one! I'd have to agree with whoever it was that first suggested 'Funky > Atlanta' (look out Parliament, here come TD!), and, of course, 'Backstreet > Hero.' I heartily agree. According to _Voices in the Dunes_, TD has indeed visited Atlanta, but I'd never call it 'Funky'... Funny, most of the other songs on _Rockoon_ seem to fit Atlanta quite well in the summertime. - jimbo 'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 2:23 am Subject: European Tour Single Really-From: Jim Moore So far, I've been unable to find the 'Das Madchen' single through my normal sources. Can anyone point me to a source for this? It would be greatly appreciated. - jimbo 'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4694 Re: European Tour Single dbrewer@a... Fri 6/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 2:00 am Subject: RE: Canyon Dreams Suite, et. al. Really-From: Jim Moore > Then I started playing the infamous 'SoundTRAX' CD-R (still playing it) >and a few tracks got my attention, such as 'Part 3 - A Wild Shore' from The >Canyon Dreams Suite and 'Phase II' from The Red Heat Suite. And there's >other cool stuff on this disk, but again, quality varies. I have a question about this one: is the demo track for Legend (with vocals) a TD performance? If so, who wrote those lyrics... Aaahhh! - jimbo 'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 2:16 am Subject: RE: Goblins Club (was: Enigma vs. .. ) Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur >(no offense, I for myself still haven't >figured out the 'spirit' of Rockoon and Tyranny of Beauty, for instance _Rockoon_ has always been a soundtrack to a modern urban environment. And _Tyranny_ fits into a category of a 'theme' album dealing with the dominance of appearance over substance. 'The only substitute for brains is silence.' - Unknown jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 2:50 am Subject: Australian Animals? Really-From: Vic Rek At 09:50 PM 6/5/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Ian Shillingford > >This probably belongs in the 'silly questions' box, but just *how* rare is >a Theta-label Zoo_of_Tranquility? I was lucky enough to grab one when they >were first released. >I'm in Australia so some things are hard-to-get anyway. I'd say around $75 US! But what do you mean by *how* rare? Like how many released? I wish I knew. I have a Theta sampler with a track or two from 'Zoo' and I've seen this for sale for all kinds of prices. Things change... what was common today is scarce tomorrow. What was expensive last year, could be a bargain today. That's part of the fun of enjoying and obtaining the music! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4763 Australian Animals? Ian Shillingford Sun 6/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 3:16 am Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs Really-From: Mark Jones Hopefully this makes it in by the drop-dead ... 1. Tangram 2. Pergamon 3. Poland 4. Logos 5. Ricochet 6. Miracle Mile 7. Force Majeure 8. Encore 9. Rubycon 10. Canyon Dreams -- Mark J. mjones@j... ********************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 4:34 am Subject: Anyone familiar with SongSearch? Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Has anyone ever dealt with SongSearch at the address below? Songsearch http://www.songsearch.com P.O. Box 399 rjhend@l... Angelus Oaks, CA 92305 fax: (909) 794-3566 ------THE LOWEST PRICES ANYWHERE------ ___ ____ __ __ _____ ___ ___ ______ _______ ____ I submitted a order and gave them a credit card number. Have not heard from them in a month. E-mail sent to the suggested address bounces. No e-mail address on the Web site. Bad vibes? Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 3:35 am Subject: Re: European Tour Single Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Jim Moore > > So far, I've been unable to find the 'Das Madchen' single > through my normal sources. Can anyone point me > to a source for this? It would be greatly appreciated. The only place I've seen it offered so far is Cue Records (cue@m...). They had it listed for $18.49 + shipping. (for the U.S., anyway) The single is called 'Limited World Tour Edition 1997', in case you didn't know. That might help in the search. :-) I really like this disc. If anyone does a good job remixing TD, it's TD. BTW, I got my copy courtesy of Lars' Imports. (Thank you very much Lars! :-) ) Dave Brewer, TD Obsessive in Training From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 4:40 am Subject: RE: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Really-From: Michael Trinastic >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > >> Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > >> Force Majeure does it far more skillfully, IMO. To back this up, >> I'd say that Tangram goes more for the fade out one bit/fade in >> another bit approach, whereas FM actually integrates the >> transitions as a valid part of the music - nothing is redundant. >My favorite transition occurs on Logos. Where (excuse me for not knowing >the different section) after the 'Wake Up' part as it continues at at a >steady pace, the sounds deconstruct and but one background sequencer is >left as it follows into the next section--hard to explain! See around the >20 minute mark. It's quite amazing because even though these are two >different sections, the timing is exact on the carry over of the sequencer. >Even though as you say, the other sounds just fade out and this is an easy >way of bridgeing to the next section--I'm just fascinated with the idea and >execution of this part of the album. Logos really does have some excellent transitions. My favorite is just a bit before the one you mentioned. Out of the high spooky, strings in the 'Wake Up' section, a vibrant soundscape emerges, with the 'Wake Up' still repeating relentlessly in the background. Gives me chills every time! >I have not yet heard Force Majeure! So I can't yet say if Tangram is more >successful than the other in my opinion. > >Greg Force Majeure is truly wonderful. Don't miss it! As for Tangram vs. Force Majeure. . . these are two of my very favorite CDs, so I certainly won't trash either one. But I do see what you're saying, Grant, about the weak transitions in Tangram. Some are great, but most are simple fade outs. Looking at each section individually, Tangram seems to be just a string of short pieces--but still, something intangible holds it together. It really is 'one' piece of music. I've noticed this in other TD, too. Anyone know what quality I'm talking about here? -Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 5:57 am Subject: Re: Disc Appraisal $$ Really-From: Morgan Marks At 10:50 PM 6/5/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Vic Rek > > >I have a Theta sampler with a track or two from >'Zoo' and I've seen this for sale for all kinds of prices. Things change... >what was common today is scarce tomorrow. What was expensive last year, >could be a bargain today. That's part of the fun of enjoying and obtaining >the music! Edgar would probably say that this is the *pain in the ass* of collecting music. Production runs aren't big enough. Yes, TD is a business, but I don't think that Edgar wants people to get gouged just to get music. Then again... compilations and special edition discs with ONE CHANGED TRACK... hmmm... double edge? Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 5:01 am Subject: Re: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > >What do you mean about 'The prouction is very sparse-sounding...?' > > (placing on ANOTHER pair of fireproof pants), what two things are completely > missing from Tangram? > > Strings/vocal sounds I hate vocals! and I'm so glad there are none in there! I guess people don't appreciate the album for it's warm brass and wind sounding instruments. Strings? I hear strings halfway into Tangram Set 1.. Not too much, but enough! I have YET to hear an album that reflects how I feel! I am talking MANIC DEPRESSION! Yes, I am partially that, so YES, the extreme transition fit FOR ME! =) I'd love to defend this--since I am doing a peice of artwork that practically shows extreme emotional transitions like Tangram does! It is perfect everyone--it is genious! Of course it is my HO. > Bass Dosn't need that much bass, and is quite refreshing because bass drowns out a lot of the purity of other sounds, which can ruin some of the subtleties of Tangrams sounds. > > Let me take a stand on this by saying that, yes, I like Tangram. I like > Pergamon more, but I still like Tangram. Regardless of what anyone says to me, I will always associate one word with the Tangram album: 'beepy!' I wont say much as far as this goes because I know beepy--and beepy is Pocket Calculator by Kraftwerk! > > Morgan Greg From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 5:06 am Subject: Re: Tangram Really-From: 'Greg Heil' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Re: Tangram > Date: Thursday, June 05, 1997 4:22 PM > > Really-From: Morgan Marks > > > At 04:37 AM 6/5/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > >My favorite transition occurs on Logos. Where (excuse me for not knowing > >the different section) after the 'Wake Up' part as it continues at at a > >steady pace, the sounds deconstruct and but one background sequencer is > >left as it follows into the next section--hard to explain! See around the > >20 minute mark. > > The time period that you're describing is 'Blue part', which is my favorite > of the Logos concerts. Have you heard the updated version which was played > during the 1988 concerts? It's located on Tangents and the Three Phase video. > > Morgan I wish I could have heard this part in Tangents, unfortunately, I don't have this album. But as I said before--it's a work of genious, but here's something to think about--is it credited to Chis Franke, Edgar, or Peter? Actually, the three together make magic happen, and to this date, I have never heard such a dramatic emotional transition into such a power sound--whatever synthesizer they used--it makes an incredible highly emotional sound. hmm.. Edgar = Emotion Chis = Timing Peter = Composition Maybe? Greg From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 5:16 am Subject: KLEM-Festival Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' You must go to this festival! 11 October 1997, The Netherlands, Nijmegen. Concerts from: N:Force (Germany) Radio Massacre International (England) Michael Stearns (USA, first European Concert) Ashra! (Gottsching, Grosskopf, Luul, Baltes from Germany) Every year about 1200 visitors. The biggest e-music festival of the world. Lots of interesting activities that day. I will give more info later. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 6:31 am Subject: Re: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Really-From: Morgan Marks At 10:01 PM 6/5/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > >> (placing on ANOTHER pair of fireproof pants), what two things are >completely >> missing from Tangram? >> >> Strings/vocal sounds > >I hate vocals! and I'm so glad there are none in there! I guess people >don't appreciate the album for it's warm brass and wind sounding >instruments. Vocal sounds like the Mellotron vocal sounds which carry through to Logos. >Strings? I hear strings halfway into Tangram Set 1.. Not too >much, but enough! I have YET to hear an album that reflects how I feel! >I am talking MANIC DEPRESSION! > >> Bass > >Dosn't need that much bass, and is quite refreshing because bass drowns out >a lot of the purity of other sounds, which can ruin some of the subtleties >of Tangrams sounds. Haven't heard any Kraftwerk yet... Morgan feldon@n... d: Encore '77 (after a 2 year hiatus, I'm hearing this again for the first time. I had not heard Phaedra, Logos, etc, so Encore was a tough start--dodging bullets for that one--but now I like it a lot. You know the song is developing slow when you can almost hear sighs of relief when the bassline starts at the 3:45 mark on first track... ok, ok, so Encore develops slowly...) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 5:38 am Subject: Re: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Really-From: Michael Trinastic >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > >> Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > >> Force Majeure does it far more skillfully, IMO. To back this up, >> I'd say that Tangram goes more for the fade out one bit/fade in >> another bit approach, whereas FM actually integrates the >> transitions as a valid part of the music - nothing is redundant. >My favorite transition occurs on Logos. Where (excuse me for not knowing >the different section) after the 'Wake Up' part as it continues at at a >steady pace, the sounds deconstruct and but one background sequencer is >left as it follows into the next section--hard to explain! See around the >20 minute mark. It's quite amazing because even though these are two >different sections, the timing is exact on the carry over of the sequencer. >Even though as you say, the other sounds just fade out and this is an easy >way of bridgeing to the next section--I'm just fascinated with the idea and >execution of this part of the album. >Logos really does have some excellent transitions. My favorite is just a bit before >the one you mentioned. Out of the high spooky, strings in the 'Wake Up' section, a >vibrant soundscape emerges, with the 'Wake Up' still repeating relentlessly in the >background. Gives me chills every time! I love that 'taken from another world and stuffed into a analouge synthesizer' sound between the 'Wake Up's!' The use of volume of the synth organs and the raising pitch of certain sounds bring quite a pinnacle.. and when it hits 'Wake Up!' for the first time.. there's almost a silence.. I think this just proves how well T-Dream can make music for films. This is good example of how the use of different sounds and volumes can raise tension and excitement. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 8:22 am Subject: Not Recieveing Any Mail Really-From: James Williams Hi. Is anybody there? I dont appear to be receiveing any mail from the list. Is it just me or have things slowed down to a complete stop? James Williams From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 8:40 am Subject: worst TD Titles Really-From: ashok prema >>Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' >> Really-From: ashok prema > >> So which, in your opinion, is the worst/cheesiest TD track title to date?? >>Nice work, Ash. A good uncontroversial game for all the TD family. >>The one I hate saying is '3am at the Border of the Marsh on >>Okifenokee (sp?)'. Some of the Stuntman titles are way silly, too. >>'Drunken Mozart in the Desert' indeed. >>As for the Melrose thread, I'd have to say that I love the titles >>'Cherokee Lane' and 'Coldwater Canyon'. Grant, You've picked the 2 very titles that I LOVE!! I once saw a documentary about the Marsh at Okeefenokee - and to me, the music captures the eeriness and atmosphere that I imagine would be prevalent at 3am in that wondrous place!! As for Drunken Mozart - when that odd sequence run comes in just beofre the bass sequence in that track - I can visualise a mad Mozart playing violently on a violin - both titles conjure up vivd images for me.............and maybe that's what makes a GOOD title?? Certainly, 'Penguin Reference' and 'Too Hot for my Chinchilla' only conjure up a void in my brain! - or worse, a Penguin book - these titles may have some connotation for the band - but do nothing for me. Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 9:17 am Subject: plejades Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) Hi, Plejades as a star star cluster in the title 'Birth of liquid plejades' makes sense in terms of stellar evolution, and in the concept of the Alpha Centauri/Zeit/Atem triptichon as some story of the evolution of the universe and life. Read some book on astronomy ;) armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 9:22 am Subject: Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) Hi, isn't this great? A woman moved into our house (a community). I hang around in the living room listening to Hyperborea, Livemiles, and Oasis. And suddenly she appeared and commented that this is beautiful music!!!! I had to post this because this is only the second (!) female I encountered in my meanwhile 31 years lasting life who likes TD! (Unfortunately, she's got a boyfriend, and the first one was already married...) Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4726 Re: Marcel Engels Fri 6/6/1997 3 KB 4759 Klaus Beschorner Sun 6/8/1997 2 KB 5556 ashok prema Tue 7/1/1997 5 KB 5561 Re: Marcel Engels Tue 7/1/1997 2 KB 5820 Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 7/10/1997 2 KB 5952 feldon@p... Wed 7/16/1997 2 KB 5995 Re: PNaunton@a... Sat 7/19/1997 2 KB 5999 Re: Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 7/19/1997 2 KB 6001 Re: PNaunton@a... Sun 7/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 9:45 am Subject: Defending Tyranny of Beauty Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-06-05 15:10:40 EDT, you write: >Now, any volunteers to defend Rockoon and Tyranny of Beauty?< Best songs on the album are: Catwalk Birdwatchers Dream Little Blond In The Park Of Attractions Stratosfear 1995 Haze of Fame The rest of the album is'nt worth the crap on my shoe. The End....... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 9:47 am Subject: Video transmission from Poland Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > Anybody out there, or do I have to alarm all friends living near enough to the > border to catch Polish TV ? Can you get it in Berlin ? Klaus, no, you can't unfortunately. There are a number of polish stations I get via satellite, but the national public polish TV is not among them. I already picture myself loading a VCR and TV into a car, driving one hour to near the polish border and plugging it into some friendly innkeepers outlet while having a beer there... :-) Thanks to Mike Jean's efforts, we know at least that there are at least 3 readers of this list from Poland (balcer@g..., szymon@i..., trzcionk@u...). So guys, are you gonna help us? Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4710 Re: Video transmission from Poland Vic Rek Fri 6/6/1997 3 KB 4853 Re: Video transmission from Poland Michal Balcerzak Tue 6/10/1997 3 KB 4892 Re: Video transmission from Poland Mark Filipak Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 5, 1997 7:57 pm Subject: Re: Klaus Tour Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: Klaus Beschorner >For those of your who subscribe to DREAM COLLECTOR and try >to meet me during my US trip : I'm second from left on the >foto on page 9 in the just-released #17. You probably mentioned this is a previous posting, but when and where will you be in the US? Getting ready to dig out my old TDIFCs if need be, B. Kirby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4758 Klaus Tour Klaus Beschorner Sun 6/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 12:47 pm Subject: Zoo of Tranquillity Availability??? Really-From: Vic Rek Some more information about the re-release of 'Zoo of Tranquillity' by Johannes Schmoelling.. Voiceprint tells me that this WON'T happen until 1998!!! I originally heard from other sources that it was to be released this last spring, but things change. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 12:47 pm Subject: Re: Video transmission from Poland Really-From: Vic Rek >I already picture myself loading a VCR and TV into a car, driving one hour >to near the polish border and plugging it into some friendly innkeepers >outlet while having a beer there... :-) Great idea! Gather a few from the list and have some fun! But to be totally sure that you can record the concert, bring along your own power generator too so in case that inn keeper isn't friendly, you can just drive into any field and just 'plug in'! And make sure you take some pictures - send one to Conrad Schnitzler - he would love your creativity! > >Thanks to Mike Jean's efforts, we know at least that there are at least 3 >readers of this list from Poland (balcer@g..., >szymon@i..., trzcionk@u...). So guys, are you gonna >help us? > >Hilmar > I know of a 4th, but I don't think he is a regular on this list. I have plenty of family in Poland and I'll be making some phone calls this weekend. I'm sure I'll get one of my cousins to tape it. I'll be in Poland in July for any exchanges. By the way, I'm bringing some music for them, so they better come through. But do they have a VCR? So no guarantees here yet. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 12:47 pm Subject: Das Maedchen Promo Availability!!! Really-From: Vic Rek OK Dreamers, you heard it here first! I did some research and my friend from 'Voiceprint' said the they will have this promo CD single available in 6-8 weeks! This is the single they advertised on the TD home page a while back that had three different versions of 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe'. Now, I may be away from my email in July, so I hope someone can reserve a copy for me when it becomes available? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Music for Hippies?!?! Yeeee-hah!!! Really-From: Steven.Feldman, Spraying Gibberish Well, I went to Lars' Imports today to trade goodies and finally got my grubby, knobby, gnarly, sweaty, greedy mitts (okay, so that's a might bit hyperbolic--I just drank too much coffee) on a copy of THE STAR CLUB SINGLES COMPLETE, Vol. 12, which I can't wait to hear now that Lars' Imports proprietor Lars told me that there are parts of the song that he dared not relate on this list due to their extreme profanity!!! Yay--swear words in TD-related product! So much for the New Age tag they tend to be saddled with! Yuppies only swear when their stocks go down or their condo investments go bust. (Hee hee.) Actually, there's only one swear word, but it's yelled out loudly several times in succession, and apparently it's in exuberance--from the guy dwelling on the source of the 'the mole on your thigh is driving me out of my mind' comment--rather than rebellion and/or angst. Way to go, Tangs! Yeah! Go, Edgar--you sly devil, you! Nudge, nudge, knowwhutImean? Say no Moah! Noink noink; boink boink! Yowee! Whoopee! Woo woo! There is a one-inch-square reproduction of this Ones' single's cover art, and it's something, alright. The lettering for the song tracks is one size, then the lettering for the band's name is bigger, but bigger still are the words: MUSIC FOR HIPPIES! This is, after all, a 45 record from the Sixties (1967, for all you anal retentives). You know, because of this CD, I might forevermore relate the word and concept of hippies with the F word--in a nice sense, of course. ;) I mean, remember when George Carlin said he thought it was odd that people use the F word as an insult and a threat despite the fact that it's something nice that people wished they could do more often? Yes, well, that's *my* attitude about the word. Still, I really love George's joke about the word being used as part of the dialogue in a Western: 'Alright, sheriff, we're gonna f*** ya, but we're gonna f*** ya slowww.' Hee hee. 'The mole on your thigh is driving me out of my mind.' I can't wait to hear the rest! Stay tuned for a posting of the complete lyrics to these two puppies! Yeow! Whoop, whoop, whoop! (As the sounds of a hyperventilating boggle-eyed Steve trail off into the distance . . .) Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4731 Re: Music for Hippies?!?! Yeeee-hah!!! Greg Heil Fri 6/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 1:02 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #939 Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-06-05 14:49:20 EDT, you write: << Yeah, scarier than The Evil Dead, isn't it ? cute... Get 'The Songs of Distant Earth' and forget all the c**p of the '80s. that is a very good album, but i disagree with ur assessment of oldfields work in the 80s...for a good example, get some recordings of his live shows...the tunes from albums like harvest ridge and ommadawn never sounded better.. tom w np: the theory of evolution From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Got Quinoa, But....... Really-From: Alistair Hull I've Just received my copy of Quinoa from Voiceprint (www.vprint.demon.co.uk), but something puzzles me..... I thought it was a '1000 limited edition'. The rear sleeve says 'the FIRST 1000 numbered disks contain.....' There seems to be no limited number on the cover sleeve or note but I do see 'MXMIII' printed on the CD label. (I make this 1903 in Roman Numerals). Any comments Alistair Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4716 Re: Got Quinoa, But....... Vincent Goudreault Fri 6/6/1997 4 KB 4717 Re: Got Quinoa, But....... Craig R. J. Cordrey Fri 6/6/1997 3 KB 4719 Re: Got Quinoa, But....... Craig R. J. Cordrey Fri 6/6/1997 3 KB 4723 Re: Got Quinoa, But....... Mark Filipak Fri 6/6/1997 3 KB 4724 Re: Got Quinoa, But....... Vincent Goudreault Fri 6/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 1:30 pm Subject: Re: Say Cheeze! Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-06-06 00:46:04 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Well, that said...I really have a problem with 'Too Hot For My Chinchilla'. > Perhaps that was an experience best not shared with the world. :-) The tangs explained it in the TDIFC newsletter...it was a cheeky reference to high society types who lament the days when it's just too damned hot to wrap themselves in their expensive furs. >> I see, that makes sense since the Froeses are vegetarians and are opposed to meat and animal by-products - especially furs. I figured it was probably about something like that. It re-affirms my original point that the songs and song titles come from the artists own personal experience. However, THFMC still gets my vote as Cheezy song title. Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 1:49 pm Subject: Re: Got Quinoa, But....... Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 6, 8:10am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Got Quinoa, But....... > Really-From: Alistair Hull > > > > I've Just received my copy of Quinoa from Voiceprint > (www.vprint.demon.co.uk), but something puzzles me..... > > I thought it was a '1000 limited edition'. The rear sleeve says 'the > FIRST 1000 numbered disks contain.....' > > There seems to be no limited number on the cover sleeve or note but I do > see 'MXMIII' printed on the CD label. (I make this 1903 in Roman > Numerals). > > Any comments > Alistair >-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list Negative, make that 1993 in roman numerals, if this is what it is. Take one thousand, add a second thousand but take away 10, and add 3. This is more likely the date where the CD was pressed. I don't believe anyone will go through the trouble of imprinting CD's with an individual serial number. Actually, as far as roman numeral go, one should not take away ten from a thousand: the only thing you can take away from a number is the value that is at most 10 times smaller. Thus, 1993 should be MCMXCIII (take 2 thousand, take away 100, add one hundred and take away 10 and add 3). And 1999 has to be MCMXCIX, even if it could have been MIM... Aren't you glad we don't use this system anymore in general computation? C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 9:47 pm Subject: Re: Got Quinoa, But....... Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: Alistair Hull > > I've Just received my copy of Quinoa from Voiceprint > (www.vprint.demon.co.uk), but something puzzles me..... > > I thought it was a '1000 limited edition'. The rear sleeve says 'the > FIRST 1000 numbered disks contain.....' > > There seems to be no limited number on the cover sleeve or note but I do > see 'MXMIII' printed on the CD label. (I make this 1903 in Roman > Numerals). > > Any comments Yeah, 'MXMIII' is actually 1993 (that might have been a typo, apologies if it was). Secondly, you had me scrabbling for my copy, because mine says 'This First Limited Edition of 1,000 copies contains Does your copy really say that? My copy doesn't have a number on it (that I've found, at least). But, that mention of 'FIRST' did occur to me when I got this a couple of weeks ago. Maybe covering themselves for a potential re-issue in the future? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 1:39 pm Subject: Happy Birthday Edgar! Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Or perhaps I should say Froeliche geburtstag Edgar! 53 and counting. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4730 Re: Happy Birthday Edgar! Jens Peschke Fri 6/6/1997 2 KB 4733 Re: Happy Birthday Edgar! Mark Filipak Fri 6/6/1997 2 KB 4800 Re: Happy Birthday Edgar! Plumer, Scott Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 9:56 pm Subject: Re: Got Quinoa, But....... Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > Actually, as far as roman numeral go, one should not take away ten from a > thousand: the only thing you can take away from a number is the value that is > at most 10 times smaller. Thus, 1993 should be MCMXCIII (take 2 thousand, take > away 100, add one hundred and take away 10 and add 3). And 1999 has to be > MCMXCIX, even if it could have been MIM... Aren't you glad we don't use this > system anymore in general computation? Thanks for this Vince. The BBC here in Britain still 'copyright' most of their programs in Roman Numerals and there was a little confusion in 1990 when it went to MCMXC instead of MXM. Now I can see why! BTW, does everyone know (or anyone care) that 1888 is the longest Roman numeral for a year so far? MDCCCLXXXVIII (or have I got the L and D round the wrong way?) --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 1:46 pm Subject: Re: force majeure Really-From: Michael A Jean You haven't heard it yet?!?...(bang bang bang... The sound of my head hitting the desk repeatedly) X-P (unconscious smiley) MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 2:06 pm Subject: Early Water Source? Really-From: Vic Rek For those looking for Hoenig/Gottsching - Early Water CD, try contacting Manikin Records in Germany. The e-mail address is . Tell Mario that I sent you. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4725 Re: Early Water Source? David Datta Fri 6/6/1997 2 KB 4775 Re: Early Water Source? Ken Alexander Sun 6/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 2:06 pm Subject: Anybody Want These CDs? Really-From: Vic Rek Here are a few CDs I don't need anymore. Last chance before I turn them into the CD shop or take them to Poland as gifts: Following are $5: Phaedra - US Virgin CDV 2010 100510D 'BMG' (slight water damage to cover) Rubycon - US Virgin America V2-91009 'CRC' Stratosfear - US Virgin America V2-91010 Canyon Dreams - US Miramar MPCD 2801, 10/87 Rockoon - US Miramar MPCD 2802, 1992 Tyranny of Beauty - US Miramar 09006-23046-2, 1995 Following are $7: Tyger - UK Jive Electro CHIP 47, 5 tracks 5 indexes, 2/87 Extracts from Poland - The Warsaw Concert - UK Jive Electro CHIP 22 The Best of Tangerine Dream (Comp. 1973-1987) - UK Jive CHIP 75, 1989 Following are $10: Sorcerer - US MCA MCAD-10842 Flashpoint - US One Way S21-18507, reissue Legend (The Jerry Goldsmith Score) - UK Silva Screen FILMCD 045 Optical Race - US Private 2042-2-P, original special die-cut cover, 5/88 Following are $13: Miracle Mile - US Private 2047-2-P C. Franke - US Private 01005-82094-2, orig. issue!, 1/91 Steve Jolliffe - Journeys Out of the Body - US Atlantis JOOB, 1982 Miscellaneous: Following are $10: Steve Roach - The Leaving Time (w/Michael Shrieve) - US RCA/Novus 3032-2-N, 1988 V.A. Blade Runner 'Synthesizer Soundtracks' - US Silva Treasury STD 5003, 1995 T. Dream - The Helicopter Attack from 'The Park is Mine', 1986 This is the last post with these items. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 1:57 pm Subject: Re: Got Quinoa, But....... Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Alistair Hull > > I've Just received my copy of Quinoa from Voiceprint > (www.vprint.demon.co.uk), but something puzzles me..... > > I thought it was a '1000 limited edition'. The rear sleeve says 'the > FIRST 1000 numbered disks contain.....' > > There seems to be no limited number on the cover sleeve or note but > I do see 'MXMIII' printed on the CD label. (I make this 1903 in Roman > Numerals). > > Any comments > Alistair Your quote is not correct according to my copies. They say: 'THIS FIRST LIMITED EDITION OF 1,000 COPIES CONTAINS ONLY PREVIOUSLY UNRELEASED MATERIAL EXCLUSIVELY PRODUCED AND MANUFACTURED FOR MEMBERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL T.D.I.F.C. THIS EDITION IS NOT FOR SALE/RESALE!' I think they missed some periods (full stops to you Brits). It is their first limited edition and numbers 1,000 (but not numbered discs). It contains only previously unreleased material. Et cetera. Along the spine it says 'TANGERINE DREAM * QUINOA * VOLT 0001 CD MXMII' -- I have no idea what 'MXMII' (1902) is all about. I have 3 copies and they are identical. No problem with me. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 2:30 pm Subject: Re: Got Quinoa, But....... Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 6, 2:56pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Got Quinoa, But....... > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > (...) > > BTW, does everyone know (or anyone care) that 1888 is the > longest Roman numeral for a year so far? > MDCCCLXXXVIII > (or have I got the L and D round the wrong > way?) > No, you got it right. And as far as caring is concerned, I can't say much... There was no TD in 1888... And, indeed, romans numerals are still used widely for copyright. The Canadian and the American TV do it, and so does Hollywood. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early MCMXCIII, TD fan since MCMLXXVII first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 3:35 pm Subject: Re: Early Water Source? Really-From: David Datta In article <5n96f8$179$1@n...> you wrote: : Really-From: Vic Rek : For those looking for Hoenig/Gottsching - Early Water CD, try contacting Archie Patterson (Eurock) also lists it in his newest info sheet for $18US. He's at www.eurock.com. He is also listing some Schnitzler re-issues and the Klaus Schulze issue of Matt Howarth's comic 'Savage Henry'. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 4:30 pm Subject: Re: Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > isn't this great? A woman moved into our house (a community). > I hang around in the living room listening to Hyperborea, Livemiles, > and Oasis. And suddenly she appeared and commented that this is > beautiful music!!!! > > I had to post this because this is only the second (!) female > I encountered in my meanwhile 31 years lasting life who likes > TD! (Unfortunately, she's got a boyfriend, and the first one > was already married...) Ha, I also wish there were more female e-music lovers. I had a girlfriend once who also liked the music and also liked my own music. Unfortunately she's gone, but I have contact with here again. So if everything goes well, I'm never going to leave this girl. Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: This Silliness about Date Silliness Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Anal-Retentive-at-Large' About this MXMII nonsense that's on the QUINOA CD: can you say typo? Sure you can. ;) It should read: MXMDCCCCII For the past five months, I've been working on a library project sorting thousands of theses from the 1500s to about 1967. Way back, there was an even more obnoxious system than the M,D,C,L,X,V,I business. It used the notations 'cI)' and 'I)', where the ')'s are backward 'c's. (An ASCII keyboard and a typewriter can't make backwards 'c's, so I'll make things symmetrical by typing as '' and 'I>' instead. So, here's a key for all the goofy symbols. The entries preceded by asterisks are unpopular and not-often used variants. 1 = I 11 = XI 30 = XXX *140 = CXXXX 2 = II 12 = XII *40 = XXXX 140 = CXL 3 = III 13 = XIII 40 = XL 150 = CL *4 = IIII *14 = XIIII 50 = L 200 = CC 4 = IV 14 = XIV 60 = LX 300 = CCC *5 = IIIII 15 = XV 70 = LXX *400 = CCCC 5 = V 16 = XVI 80 = LXXX 400 = CD 6 = VI 17 = XVII *90 = LXXXX 500 = D 7 = VII 18 = XVIII 90 = CXC *500 = I> 8 = VIII *19 = XVIIII 100 = C 600 = DC *9 = VIIII 19 = XIX 110 = CX *600 = I>c 9 = IX 20 = XX 120 = CXX 700 = DCC 10 = X 21 = XXI 130 = CXXX *700 = I>cc Basically, what's going on is that I is one, V is five, X is ten, L is fifty, C is a hundred, D is five hundred, M is a thousand; and I> is five hundred and is a thousand. With the I> and style, the rest of the letters are used in lower case. Therefore, we'd wind up with these sorts of variants: 1902: I>ccccii cii MCMII MDCCCCII 1992: cxcii MCMDCCCCII MCMDXDII I could, however, have gotten something wrong here, because I'm no math whiz. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4728 Re: This Silliness about Date Silliness Vincent Goudreault Fri 6/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 6:58 pm Subject: Re: This Silliness about Date Silliness Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 6, 12:51pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: This Silliness about Date Silliness > Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Anal-Retentive-at-Large' > > > About this MXMII nonsense that's on the QUINOA CD: can you say typo? > Sure you can. ;) It should read: MXMDCCCCII ^^ typo If you want to write 1992 with the wrong system (i.e. non-removal) it should be MDCCCCII C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Steve Confusing *Himself*, Now. :( Really-From: 'Mr. Lame-o' >Subject: This Silliness about Date Silliness >Date: Fri, 06 Jun 97 12:51:17 EDT >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Anal-Retentive-at-Large' > > >1992: > >cxcii >MCMDCCCCII >MCMDXDII > > I could, however, have gotten something wrong here, because I'm no >math whiz. D-uhhhh, like I said. :( cxcii This is okay MCMDCCCCII This is actually 1900 [MCM] + 902 [DCCCCII] = 2802 MCMDXDII This is actually 1900 [MCM] + 902 [DXDII] = 2802 To correct the problem . . . >1992: Not >MCMDCCCCII but MCMXCII Not >MCMDXDII but MDCCCCXCII or MDCDXCII or MDCDLXXXXII or MDCDLXLII, etc. (or am I making it even worse???) > -- Steven Feldman and > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4732 Re: Steve Confusing *Himself*, Now. :( Mark Filipak Fri 6/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 7:23 pm Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Edgar! Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Or perhaps I should say Froeliche geburtstag Edgar! 53 and counting. > > Scott I second that - Herzlichen Glueckwunsch zum Geburtstag, Edgar Jens PS Herz=Heart, Glueck=luck, Wunsch=wish From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 8:32 pm Subject: Re: Music for Hippies?!?! Yeeee-hah!!! Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: Steven.Feldman, Spraying Gibberish > a copy of THE > STAR CLUB SINGLES COMPLETE, Vol. 12 Actually, it's quite amazing that no one's replied to this post yet--maybe their too shocked about the bad word? hee hee... Reminds me about how Edgar and the gang used to look--just as bad as any rocker today does--just wish they would skip the funny colored pants. Greg From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 8:35 pm Subject: Re: Steve Confusing *Himself*, Now. :( Really-From: Mark Filipak Compare these: MCMXCII breaks down into M = 1000 CM = 900 XC = 90 II = 2 MDCCCCXCII breaks down into M = 1000 DCCCC = 900 XC = 90 II = 2 MXMII breaks down into M = 1000 XM = 990 II = 2 The second term is carrying two non-zero digits. That's the problem with it. Or had everybody figured that out already? /\2 / /_______ / (] *<]:*b)*****=====< MCMXCII makes the most sense to me. \ ________(] \ \ \/3 'Mr. Lame-o' wrote a bunch of stuff I snipped off. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 8:41 pm Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Edgar! Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Or perhaps I should say Froeliche geburtstag Edgar! 53 and counting. > > Scott Yes! Yes! A touring pro at 53. Why, that's only 35 in hexadecimal! Happy birthday Edgar. You don't look a day over 35. :-) -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 9:10 pm Subject: Re: Anyone familiar with SongSearch? Really-From: kz7l@j... (Robert A. Harris) On Thu, 05 Jun 1997 22:34:44 -0600 tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) writes: >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > >Has anyone ever dealt with SongSearch at the address below? > > Songsearch http://www.songsearch.com > P.O. Box 399 rjhend@l... > Angelus Oaks, CA 92305 fax: (909) 794-3566 > ------THE LOWEST PRICES ANYWHERE------ >___ ____ __ __ _____ ___ ___ ______ _______ ____ > >I submitted a order and gave them a credit card number. Have not >heard from them in a month. E-mail sent to the suggested address >bounces. No e-mail address on the Web site. > >Bad vibes? > >Andrew > > Hi Andrew: I have never dealt with SongSearch however I did notice that the City is close to my home. While I don't have a Fax Machine, I did dial the fax number as it is a local call for me and I did get a Fax machine at the other end. You might try Faxing them and see if you get any answer. I know that this is'nt much but thought it might help in a small way. Best regards Andrew ----> Bob <---- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4735 Re: Anyone familiar with SongSearch? Robert A. Harris Fri 6/6/1997 3 KB 4737 Re: Anyone familiar with SongSearch? Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 6/7/1997 3 KB 4741 Re: Anyone familiar with SongSearch? Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 6/7/1997 3 KB 4740 Re: Anyone familiar with SongSearch? Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 6/7/1997 3 KB 4742 Re: Anyone familiar with SongSearch? Larry E Smith Sat 6/7/1997 3 KB 4746 Re: Anyone familiar with SongSearch? Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 6/7/1997 3 KB 4817 Re: Anyone familiar with SongSearch? TWeibre361@a... Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 9:10 pm Subject: Re: Anyone familiar with SongSearch? Really-From: kz7l@j... (Robert A. Harris) On Thu, 05 Jun 1997 22:34:44 -0600 tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) writes: >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > >Has anyone ever dealt with SongSearch at the address below? > > Songsearch http://www.songsearch.com > P.O. Box 399 rjhend@l... > Angelus Oaks, CA 92305 fax: (909) 794-3566 > ------THE LOWEST PRICES ANYWHERE------ >___ ____ __ __ _____ ___ ___ ______ _______ ____ > >I submitted a order and gave them a credit card number. Have not >heard from them in a month. E-mail sent to the suggested address >bounces. No e-mail address on the Web site. > >Bad vibes? > >Andrew > > Hi Andrew: I noticed that the Songsearch PO box is in a city that is close to my home and that the fax number is a local call. I don't have a Fax machine of my own, however I called the number and after what sounded like the phone company forwarding the call to a different number I did get connected to a Fax. You might try faxing them and see what develops. I realize that this is'nt much but hope it helps in a small way. Best regards Andrew... ----> Bob <---- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 10:04 pm Subject: Ladys and electronic music Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > > Hi, > > isn't this great? A woman moved into our house (a community). > I hang around in the living room listening to Hyperborea, Livemiles, > and Oasis. And suddenly she appeared and commented that this is > beautiful music!!!! > > I had to post this because this is only the second (!) female > I encountered in my meanwhile 31 years lasting life who likes > TD! (Unfortunately, she's got a boyfriend, and the first one > was already married...) 8 years ago we ( my wife and me)received a visit of a handsome lady, an ex-girlfriend of a former college camrade. I was listenig to Tangram, And she told me she liked it. I asked her if she liked electronic music and she seid she did, although she never bougth a single record. She listened to that music because her new boyfrienf liked it. Then she told me some months ago she was traveling whith that friend on a jeep, at nigh in the middle of the 'Gran Sabana' ( a national park in Venezuela the size of The Netherlands of extrema beauty). They had both a pair of headphones and were listening to Jarre's Zoolook. She told me that was a remarkable experience indeed. I remember thinking how lucky that man was to be alone in the wild dark 'sabana' with that beautiful lady who appreciated that uncommon kind of music. I think it was the first and only time in my life a lady friend of mine to appreciate electronic music. ---Francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4739 Re: Ladys and electronic music Greg Heil Sat 6/7/1997 3 KB 4747 Re: Ladys and electronic music gary.cresswell1@v... Sat 6/7/1997 2 KB 4784 Re: Ladys and electronic music PNaunton@a... Mon 6/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 11:03 pm Subject: Re: Anyone familiar with SongSearch? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > Has anyone ever dealt with SongSearch at the address below? > > Songsearch http://www.songsearch.com > P.O. Box 399 rjhend@l... > Angelus Oaks, CA 92305 fax: (909) 794-3566 > ------THE LOWEST PRICES ANYWHERE------ > ___ ____ __ __ _____ ___ ___ ______ _______ ____ > > I submitted a order and gave them a credit card number. Have not > heard from them in a month. E-mail sent to the suggested address > bounces. No e-mail address on the Web site. > > Bad vibes? > > Andrew Hmmm... Operates out of a PO box. Bad sign. I think we should all visit their web site and/or send them enquiring mail... Shall we? ;-) Stick together fellow herbavores and the lions can't get us on our own, unprotected. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4741 Re: Anyone familiar with SongSearch? Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 6/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 11:23 pm Subject: Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) >> Long Post << Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-05-31 00:08:42 EDT, you write: << I also agree that most of us don't appreciate TD when they're musically predictable, but clearly some of us do. I think the confusion produced by this difference in tastes has been much-misunderstood on this list. I have claimed not to like musical predicability, but I guess the evidence exposes the fact that I must have moods in which I _do_ seek musical predicability -- I listen to and appreciate all TD, just different albums at different times. I guess I'm more the slave to my moods than I would have previously admitted. But that's okay with me as I really think it's all sides of the same coin. Thanks Dennis. Regards -- Mark >> At the risk of having my lap-top blow up again, as it did last time I responded to this discussion thread - - - This begins to become coherant on a higher level than I had given credit for during my most recent sarcastic response. (Sorry!) It came suddenly to my conscious mind that we are talking about predictability as an icon of society or culture, rather than and foundation of boredom. Then I made an unusual association with Surrealism (ala Salvadore Dali; apparently one of Edgar's mentors) and the music of Tangerine Dream. Surrealism - the taking of the commonplace and transposing it into the world of dreams (Definition - mine) This became abruptly significant, in terms of the perceptions of the unconscious mind regarding the fantastic and incongruous, juxtaposed with what we commonly accept as reality. Is Edgar treading the extremely narrow path of fantasy/reality with his music? In the same way that we look at the Salvador Dali painting of the liquifying clocks and watches, we can experience the music of Tangerine Dream as well. The music contains elements of reality, but also has a dimensional shift to the unconscious mind. We can transcend the commonplace and dwell in the nether regions of music. This has been attempted by only a few composers, at least in a successful manner. Berlioz' 'Symphonie Fantastique' (I think that is the correct spelling.) comes to mind, but even that was more drug oriented in its aspect. Anyway.........just some things to think about. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4749 Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) >> Lon Mark Filipak Sat 6/7/1997 5 KB 4754 Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) >> Lon Greg Heil Sat 6/7/1997 2 KB 4783 Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) >> Lon PNaunton@a... Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 6, 1997 11:40 pm Subject: Re: Ladys and electronic music Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Just recently, I met a young gorgeous girl who happens to be writing her first novel. My interest in her writing and her interest in my art brought us together. Well, the day we met, I brought along my portable CD player and a few TD CDs. I asked if she would like to listen to my 'weird and strange' music (I had to say what I expected my friend to say--ooooh that's weird stuff!) Well, she put on the headphones and I started her with Logos.. and she just sat there and enjoyed the music.. commenting on the parts she liked. I was really surprised! I found out later that she has quite different musical tastes to, a fan of Enigma. this story dosn't end sadly, because I am still with this person--we are friends, or maybe something more =) Electronic Music Fan And Not Single EMFANS Somehow, I don't think this group would fly... 8o) Greg From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 7, 1997 2:18 am Subject: Re: Anyone familiar with SongSearch? Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 05:10 PM 6/6/97 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: kz7l@j... (Robert A. Harris) >>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> >> >>Has anyone ever dealt with SongSearch at the address below? [....] >>Bad vibes? >> >Hi Andrew: > >I have never dealt with SongSearch however I did notice that the City is >close to my home. While I don't have a Fax Machine, I did dial the fax >number as it is a local call for me and I did get a Fax machine at the >other end. You might try Faxing them and see if you get any answer. > >I know that this is'nt much but thought it might help in a small way. > >Best regards Andrew ----> Bob <---- This is VERY decent of you, Bob. I appreciate it. I found a second e-mail address for them and they finally responded (today) by telling me that they have not been able to find the object of my order (GLOBAL COMMUNICATION '76:14'). This searching for good music becomes nerve-wrecking sometimes, doesn't it? :-) Thanks a lot for your kind intervention, Regards, Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 7, 1997 2:23 am Subject: Re: Anyone familiar with SongSearch? Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 04:03 PM 6/6/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >Hmmm... Operates out of a PO box. Bad sign. I think we should all >visit their web site and/or send them enquiring mail... Shall we? ;-) > >Stick together fellow herbavores and the lions can't get us on our own, >unprotected. -- Mark > I know the 'rule' about PO Boxes but I REALLY wanted GLOBAL COMMUNICATION '76:14.' Seems they can't get it for me. As long as I don't see a charge on my credit card it's no biggy. But I still want the Global Communication CD. Any suggestions? If anyone would have any ideas, it would have to be you. :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 7, 1997 2:33 am Subject: Re: Anyone familiar with SongSearch? Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) Hi Andrew, Have you tried Backroads (800-767-4748)? That's where I got mine about a year ago. In fact I just ordered GC's Remotion a month ago and didn't have any problem getting it. Larry >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > >At 04:03 PM 6/6/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Really-From: Mark Filipak >> >>Hmmm... Operates out of a PO box. Bad sign. I think we should all >>visit their web site and/or send them enquiring mail... Shall we? >;-) >> >>Stick together fellow herbavores and the lions can't get us on our >own, >>unprotected. -- Mark >> > >I know the 'rule' about PO Boxes but I REALLY wanted GLOBAL >COMMUNICATION '76:14.' > >Seems they can't get it for me. As long as I don't see a charge on >my credit card it's no biggy. > >But I still want the Global Communication CD. Any suggestions? > >If anyone would have any ideas, it would have to be you. :-) > >Andrew > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4746 Re: Anyone familiar with SongSearch? Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 6/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 7, 1997 2:53 am Subject: Conrad Schnitzler - PLATE LUNCH Really-From: Vic Rek First of all for those readers that don't know - Conrad Schnitzler was a member of TD on their first LP 'Electronic Meditation' along with Klaus Schulze. Conrad's music is truly avant garde electronic music in my opinion. If you want melody, forget it! This is only for the hardcore type - probably would blow away any musicians that are advertised on the 'Manifold' or 'Zabriskie Point' label/catalog or other related ones selling this type of minimalist, concrete contemporary, post whatever industrial, noise, 'you name the new category', stuff. But back to the topic. Conrad has a new label and distribution point named: PLATE LUNCH. They are selling all his available CDs, cassettes, and his very rare LPs. The LPs are going for megabucks, but if you buy one you get a letter stating you sponsor his music and you can get your name printed on his next CD. Could be appealing to some, since this guy is quite cool in my opinion. If I could afford it I would! His LP 'Rot' is selling for only 1000DM, to name one. There are two new CD releases by Conrad on this new label: 'Rot' Plate Lunch 01 '00/106' Plate Lunch 02 They are 28DM each. Conrad is also going to release a new book - get the last copies of 'Con-Sequence' while you can. Quite a fascinating archive. You can e-mail me directly if you have any more questions. Another twist in EM? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 7, 1997 2:53 am Subject: Crazy Today + Silvester Anfang Really-From: Vic Rek Today was a crazy day for me. I first start off by posting all kinds of info on 'Das Maedchen..' promo CD, then 'Zoo of Tranquillity' release info, then the Poland broadcast on June 13th, 'Early Water', etc... I thought I was on a roll, until my son got bit by some crazy poisonous spider that was almost fatal. After being in the hospital with the poor lad all day, he seems to be better, but back to the doc tomorrow... I forgot to tell you that I'm a single dad. So ladies that like TD, listen up! Anyway.. But after this episode, I get a nice package of goodies from 'Santa Klaus B. (on tour just like the Pope)' and Mr. Bischoff and a letter from Conrad Schnitzler (well, his new agent). I mailed Conrad a letter on January 26, 1997 with a question someone posted on this list (Lars Tangmark - are you still here?). Here is the reply: 'Let's concentrate on the questions about 'Silverster Anfang'. Oysten Aarset, the leader of 'Mayhem' visited Conrad Schnitzler in Berlin in 1985. He asked Conrad for some sounds, he wanted to use a sample on a future 'Mayhem' release. Schnitzler gave him an instrumental mini (ca. 5 minutes) and permitted the use of it in any form. 'Silvester Anfang' hasn't been written especially for 'Mayhem' nor has it been titled 'Silvester Anfang by Schnitzler, 'cos he hates titles.' I hope this answers some old questions. Vic P.S. The regular list is only at about 205 subscribers, what happen to the others. I guess they'll be missing out on critical information. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 7, 1997 5:12 am Subject: Re: my desert island TD 10 Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-06-04 17:06:18 EDT, you write: << Somnambulistic Imagery (just for that 10 1/2 minute unamed piece after 'Stratosfear') >> I made my own track listing for my copy, and that piece would be The Cliffs of Sydney. Due to the recording being so emphasized on the high end, it's a little hard to place at first, but it is an extended version of that track. And I agree, it's one of the highlights. Phil D. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4753 Re: my desert island TD 10 Gabe Yedid Sat 6/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 7, 1997 5:40 am Subject: Re: Anyone familiar with SongSearch? Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 10:33 PM 6/6/97 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) > > >Hi Andrew, > >Have you tried Backroads (800-767-4748)? That's where I got mine about a >year ago. In fact I just ordered GC's Remotion a month ago and didn't >have any problem getting it. > >Larry > Thanks, Larry. I already ordered GC's '76:14' from some Italian alternative music outfit for 20 bucks. For some reason I have never dealt with Backroads before, but I might give them a try if I like '76:14' or if I strike out with FLH. Appreciate the input, Regards, Andrew > >>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> >> >>At 04:03 PM 6/6/97 -0700, you wrote: >>>Really-From: Mark Filipak >>> >>>Hmmm... Operates out of a PO box. Bad sign. I think we should all >>>visit their web site and/or send them enquiring mail... Shall we? >>;-) >>> >>>Stick together fellow herbavores and the lions can't get us on our >>own, >>>unprotected. -- Mark >>> >> >>I know the 'rule' about PO Boxes but I REALLY wanted GLOBAL >>COMMUNICATION '76:14.' >> >>Seems they can't get it for me. As long as I don't see a charge on >>my credit card it's no biggy. >> >>But I still want the Global Communication CD. Any suggestions? >> >>If anyone would have any ideas, it would have to be you. :-) >> >>Andrew >> >> >> >> > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 7, 1997 3:49 pm Subject: Re: Ladys and electronic music Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... I took my girlfriend (niw my wife) to see TD in concert way back in 1981, and although the bass was rumbling enough to cave in your rib cage I looked over to my beloved to find her FAST ASLEEP. Glutten for punishment I took het to the logos tour following year with much the same results. Since then I have always gone alone. Although I'm always on the luck out for some attractive lady to accompany me. Gaza From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 7, 1997 1:49 pm Subject: The Sickeningly Detailed Discography Really-From: Morgan Marks Ok, I've spewed enough sarcasm in recent weeks, now to see if I can do something for the group... There have been quite a bit of details about specific albums, and concert tours, how they were produced, glitches, TD's travel problems from time to time, band members leaving, etc... The most intriguing thing to me is that all this information doesn't appear to exist in one place. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough... Anyway, I would like to host 'The Sickeningly Detailed Discography of TD'. It would contain every possible bit of trivia surrounding every single album release of TD. Everything from 'Hmm... they played 3 minutes of Tangent during the Logos tour' to 'So Livemiles is really Studiomiles?' This DSSTD would be on a webpage with plenty of space for growth (can you imagine a 1MB FAQ?) Anyway, anxious to hear any comments/receive any specific comments. I am going to assume that the mini-FAQs posted earlier this year can go on this page. If this is not the wishes of the author, please let me know. Morgan Marks http://www.neosoft.com/~feldon/terramorph/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 7, 1997 10:24 am Subject: Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) >> Long Post << Really-From: Mark Filipak Synopsis: Phil makes some wonderfully insightful observations regarding the relationship between predicability and boredom, and then puts it into the context of art -- Dali and Berlioz. > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-05-31 00:08:42 EDT, you write: > > << ... I have claimed not to like musical > predicability, but I guess the evidence exposes the fact that I must > have moods in which I _do_ seek musical predicability ... > ... But that's okay with me as I really think it's all sides > of the same coin. > > Thanks Dennis. Regards -- Mark >> > > At the risk of having my lap-top blow up again, as it did last time > I responded to this discussion thread - - - > This begins to become coherant on a higher level than I had given > credit for during my most recent sarcastic response. (Sorry!) > It came suddenly to my conscious mind that we are talking about > predictability as an icon of society or culture, rather than and > foundation of boredom. ... Bingo! Sorry I didn't make it clear. _You_ sure do in what follows. Rather brilliantly too, I'd say. > ... Then I made an unusual association with > Surrealism (ala Salvadore Dali; apparently one of Edgar's mentors) and > the music of Tangerine Dream. Surrealism - the taking of the > commonplace and transposing it into the world of dreams (Definition - > mine) This became abruptly significant, in terms of the perceptions > of the unconscious mind regarding the fantastic and incongruous, > juxtaposed with what we commonly accept as reality. Is Edgar treading > the extremely narrow path of fantasy/reality with his music? Yow! Narrow path? Check out almost any author, painter, sculptor, dancer, actor, ... It's a 10 lane freeway! Sometimes when I'm at a friend's house and the TV's on (I don't have one), I think the rest of the country is living in the median strip -- except for 'Star Trek' of course. That's reality. ;-) Sorry for the interruption, please continue Phil. > In the same way that we look at the Salvador Dali painting of the > liquifying clocks and watches, we can experience the music of Tangerine > Dream as well. The music contains elements of reality, but also has a > dimensional shift to the unconscious mind. We can transcend the > commonplace and dwell in the nether regions of music. > This has been attempted by only a few composers, at least in a > successful manner. Berlioz' 'Symphonie Fantastique' (I think that is > the correct spelling.) comes to mind, but even that was more drug > oriented in its aspect. > Anyway.........just some things to think about. Well, drugs have played a much bigger role in our culture than the guardians of moral rectitude would like to admit. Your allusions to Dali and Berlioz are right on the mark, in my opinion. As usual, you stated it much more elequently than I could ever hope to. Your comment about erroneously assuming that 'predictable' meant 'boring' I found particularly insightful and it surprised my own subconscious assumptions right into alertness. To some people, or in some moods, predictable can mean secure, comfortable, peaceful, happy, et cetera. I have such moods. I _supposed_ that everybody has such moods but perhaps they are expressed in ways non-musical. I like very challenging music when I'm conceptualizing. But when I'm at my computer doing a design implimentation (generally pretty repetitious), nothing beats a good drone, IMHO. Cheers -- Mark Think I'll put 'Treasure of Innocence' on repeat tomorrow. Just kidding. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 7, 1997 1:47 pm Subject: d: addendum, week of June 9 Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> D: List, Addendum; Week of June 9 'OPEN WEEK' D:Discussions this week can center on those compilations not previously discussed--eg: 'The Private Music of Tangerine Dream' or 'Dream Sequence'-- and/or is also a week for anyone new or 'delinquent' on their D:list posts to catch up. In short, post anything you want--just post something! Next week, Vic Rek takes over as 'moderator' for the subsequent section of The List 'D:List, Solo Works' As always, Enjoy! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 7, 1997 2:26 pm Subject: Women and electronic music Really-From: Elana who? > Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > > I had to post this because this is only the second (!) female > I encountered in my meanwhile 31 years lasting life who likes > TD! Well, if you have been on Tadream for awhile, you already met at least one other... ;-) -Elana (who is the only woman she knows who acts as an *activist* for this kinda music... more than just listening to it) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4785 Re: Women and electronic music PNaunton@a... Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB 4819 Women and electronic music David J. Hughes Mon 6/9/1997 3 KB 4869 Re: Women and electronic music Dennis Nigbur Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 7, 1997 2:51 pm Subject: Track titles Really-From: Ian Shillingford >Really-From: ashok prema > > >OK Guys, > >So which, in your opinion, is the worst/cheesiest TD track title to date?? Maybe 'strangest mental image': Too Hot for my Chinchilla Penguin Reference or any track on Cyclone although for 'Strangely Apt' I'd like to nominate 3AM at the Border of the Marsh from Okefenokee ... if I flew all the way to America, hired a car in Miami and drove out to the swamp at 3 in the morning, that would be the track I was listening too! I suppose TD could take the 'Jean-Michel Jarre' route and name the tracks 'part one', 'part two' etc. ... oh, they have (Rubycon parts one & two) :-) Ian Shillingford From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 7, 1997 4:49 pm Subject: Re: my desert island TD 10 Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sat, 7 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: PhilPDX@a... > > > In a message dated 97-06-04 17:06:18 EDT, you write: > > << Somnambulistic Imagery (just for that 10 1/2 minute unamed piece after > 'Stratosfear') > >> > > I made my own track listing for my copy, and that piece would be The Cliffs > of Sydney. Due to the recording being so emphasized on the high end, it's a > little hard to place at first, but it is an extended version of that track. > And I agree, it's one of the highlights. > > Phil D. Then this has got to go down as one of the most radical remixes of ALL time! ('Radical' having several different meanings there) Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 7, 1997 5:42 pm Subject: Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) >> Long Post << Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Hmmm... the old German idea that the whole is more than the sum of its parts.. Um... Maybe it's the sum of the parts is more than the whole? --referring to TD. Predictable? What part is the whole? The song? The album? I personally think TD is really, really descriptive as far as music is concerned--and this is predictable that a listener will be bombarded with a lot of information that he/she has to pull together to make sense. So when a listener takes up a new TD album to listen to, they predictably prepare to listen differently than someone new to TD. So yes, there is definately something predictable about the music. Greg From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 7, 1997 8:07 pm Subject: poland concert Really-From: Michael A Jean Didn't the TD page say the June concert would be BROADCAST in Autumn? MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 7, 1997 9:33 pm Subject: Kassel concert canceled? Really-From: stephan bischoff Instead of the teicket I got a letter from the company where I ordered it saying the concert is canceled. No reason, nothing. Is this true and if so does anybody know further details why Edgar & Co abandomned it? Stephan P.S. Klaus, maybe we where the only ones who ordered cards... np: T-Bass - Tranquillity Bass (Hi David!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4757 Re: Kassel concert canceled? Morgan Marks Sat 6/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 7, 1997 11:48 pm Subject: Re: Kassel concert canceled? Really-From: Morgan Marks At 11:33 PM 6/7/97 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: stephan bischoff > > >Instead of the teicket I got a letter from the company where I ordered it >saying the concert is canceled. No reason, nothing. >Is this true and if so does anybody know further details why Edgar & Co >abandomned >it? According to the TD webpage (which has been updated), tickets for the Friday 06/27/97 concert in Kassel can be purchased from: Documenta 97 (Open Air) Tickets: Moderne Welt, Phone +49.711.9547474 or: ARIES Entertainment, Phone: +49.561.103042 Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Klaus Tour Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >You probably mentioned this is a previous posting, but when and where >will you be in the US? Santa Clara (CA, bay area) Marriott Hotel, June 8-13 L.A. June 14-15, private Phoenix, AZ , hotel not yet known, June 15-20 -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >I had to post this because this is only the second (!) female I >encountered in my meanwhile 31 years lasting life who likes >TD! (Unfortunately, she's got a boyfriend, and the first one was already >married...) Keep trying, Armin, there's more than just these two out there. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about ;-) -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 8, 1997 1:24 am Subject: Relativity Green Desert Really-From: Rich Maggio I found a copy of Green Desert in a local CD shop on the Relativity label. The only difference (I believe) between this release and the current one on Sequel is the cover art. If anyone out there is a die-hard collector and wants this CD for the cover art, let me know off line and I will pick it up for you. The price on it was $15.99 Rich Maggio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 8, 1997 2:01 am Subject: td in warsaw Really-From: Piotr Trzcionkowski > Really-From: Armin Theissen > > Hi, > > as I read on the TD homepage newsticker, the concert > in Warsaw (June 13th) will be broadcasted by Polish > TV in its entire length! > > Please please fans in Poland with a VCR: tape it!!!!! > And copy! > > > armin Hi I can try but I don't know about this transmission. Is it realy transmission or retransmission in other time ? I didn't find it in any tv program. Which station ? Public state or regional or maybe satellite ? Can you get me url to this lost (by me) page ? I heard from last concert in Zabrze was also made film but also I don't know when it was or when it will be. I asked about these concerts on polish newsgrupups. Maybe someone know about them. -- Piotr Trzcionkowski tel. +48 (32) 1-284-907 http://www.cto.us.edu.pl/~trzcionk From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 8, 1997 12:24 pm Subject: RE: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Really-From: Ian Shillingford > But I do see what you're saying, Grant, about the weak transitions in >Tangram. Some are great, but most are simple fade outs. Looking at each >section individually, Tangram seems to be just a string of short pieces--but >still, something intangible holds it together. It really is 'one' piece of music. I've >noticed this in other TD, too. Anyone know what quality I'm talking about here? > >-Mike Hmm. Remembering that a tangram is a Chinese puzzle made of 7 pieces that can be reassembled into many different figures, then possibly the pieces of the tracks are supposed to be apparent yet still fit into a whole. I personally like Tangram: its 'simpler' than most of the earlier albums. Again, possibly because a tangram itself is simple. Ian Shillingford Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4776 Re: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Mark Filipak Sun 6/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 8, 1997 12:24 pm Subject: Australian Animals? Really-From: Ian Shillingford >Really-From: Vic Rek >At 09:50 PM 6/5/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Really-From: Ian Shillingford >> >>This probably belongs in the 'silly questions' box, but just *how* rare is >>a Theta-label Zoo_of_Tranquility? I was lucky enough to grab one when they >>were first released. >>I'm in Australia so some things are hard-to-get anyway. > >I'd say around $75 US! But what do you mean by *how* rare? Like how many >released? I wish I knew. Sorry! What I meant by 'how rare' was: I know Theta went, but I didn't know how many copies were made before they went. Thanks all for the answer, and no, I'm not about to sell it! Ian Shillingford From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 8, 1997 4:18 pm Subject: Kassel concert Really-From: HMller1095@a... According to yesterday's local newspaper, TD's June 27 concert in Kassel (Germany) is cancelled - reasons unknown. Hans-Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4929 Kassel concert Christian Wed 6/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 8, 1997 5:08 pm Subject: Tyger for sale Really-From: Brian Frick Greets, all -- I have a copy of the relativity release of Tyger with the extra track for sale. If anyone is interested please email me privately -- I'm asking $12 or best offer. Thanks! -- Later! -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 8, 1997 5:42 pm Subject: Re: d:addendum, week of June 2 Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-02 11:37:14 EDT, you write: << Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> D: List, Addendum; Week of June 2 Video Dream Mixes. Enjoy! >> Did we (are we) do(ing) 'Catch Me If You Can' or did I miss it? Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 8, 1997 5:42 pm Subject: Re: Predictable Music (Slightly {more} off topic) Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-02 01:43:27 EDT, you write: << When the pioneers finally settle down, they stop being pioneers and start being homesteaders. Perhaps some fans aren't ready to settle down yet? -- I know I'm not. And perhaps other fans are/have settled down and that's how they prefer it. >> Hmmmmm! But then again. . . . But seriously, I find this metaphore rather fetching. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 8, 1997 5:43 pm Subject: Re: Zoning question Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-02 21:28:18 EDT, you write: << Could some kind soul privately send me the discographical info on Zoning? Tracks, times, publisher, etc. Thanks. Scott >> Tangerine Dream Zoning - Soundtrack 1996 Repertoire Records - Licensed from Scala Z Filmproduktion REP 4595-WY The Conspiracy 5.54 Skyscraper 4.18 Headhunter 4.11 Downtown Chicago 4.28 Fading And Turning 3.13 Affluent Society 3.07 Stairway Affair 5.29 Good Choice, Bad Timing 4.22 Bachelor Of Crime 5.15 Unfit For Consumption 5.23 Days Of Grief And Glory 5.05 Eyewitness News 5.11 Missing Link 4.52 Edgar Froese The timings are taken off the liner notes and I have never verified them. You've probably got this information by now, I've been off-line due to circumstances beyond my control. So if the info is a duplication - - Sorry, 'bout that. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4777 Re: Zoning question Mark Filipak Mon 6/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 8, 1997 5:43 pm Subject: Re: Consistency of TD Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-02 07:23:52 EDT, you write: << Maybe in a few years' time, we'll hear ourselves saying 'Waaaahey, _Lily on the Beach_, that was a classic album!' Who knows? Personally, I don't think it's that bad at all. >> Ya know? I kinda feel that way now. I wasn't blown out of my socks and shoes by 'Lily..' when I got it home. But now it certainly has more to resonate with, in my particular situation. Some TD music will just smack you in the face the first time you hear it, other pieces take a while to grow with you to a point where one day you find yourself saying, 'Hey, you know, this is pretty good. Let's play it again.' Then something just clicks, and suddenly it's immortal. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 8, 1997 5:44 pm Subject: Re: I Thought THREE PHASE Was Out-of-Print! Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-02 21:54:44 EDT, you write: << No more expensive than a good VCR was 3 years ago. $500 for a decent one. The discs should be the same price as laserdiscs. $25-$35 Morgan feldon@n... >> I may be pretty picky, but I think the $1000.00 Sony DVP-S7000 blows the other players out of the water in video imaging _and_ sound quality. Sony apparently does their own proprietary algorithms in the decoding engine, and it works in spades. Other $1000.00 players bask in the shadows of this fine piece. Just another fool's opinion. It's on my Fathers' Day list, but I'll probably get a tie. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 8, 1997 5:42 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #938 Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-02 08:17:31 EDT, you write: << Hi Phil, thanks for the great compilation round-up! Oh, yeah, I think we might have forgotten one compilation... it's the re-issue of Alpha Centauri and Atem together as a double set ... Lars >> Actually, Lars, I have that one on LP, but I don't think it's a Compilation. More like a bargain reissue. Don't you think so? Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 8, 1997 8:44 pm Subject: EMMA session Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all, Just for your amusement (and a shameless plug) I've uploaded some pictures from our EMMA set. Find 'em at the address below... Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 8, 1997 8:44 pm Subject: Now Playing... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all... >Really-From: stephan bischoff >np: T-Bass - Tranquillity Bass (Hi David!) Well, thank you... and hello to you, Stephan... TD content : My copy of 'The Park is mine' sounds dreadful. I've been told that the soundtrack was taken directly from the film and that they all suffer from this. Is this true 'cos' it's gettin' on me tits! Cheers David np : Paul Nagle : Skyrider ... T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4774 Re: Now Playing... Mark Filipak Sun 6/8/1997 3 KB 4781 Re: Now Playing... (DJS) Mon 6/9/1997 3 KB 17946 Now Playing... Grant Somerville Mon 9/20/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 8, 1997 10:28 pm Subject: Re: Now Playing... Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > Hello all... > > >Really-From: stephan bischoff > > >np: T-Bass - Tranquillity Bass (Hi David!) > > Well, thank you... and hello to you, Stephan... > > TD content : > > My copy of 'The Park is mine' sounds dreadful. I've been told that the > soundtrack was taken directly from the film and that they all suffer > from this. > Is this true 'cos' it's gettin' on me tits! > > Cheers > David You got it David. Too bad too as this is a fine piece of rather ballzy music. Ciao -- Mark Now playing: The Black Dog 'Music for Adverts (and short films)' Up next: T-Bass 'Infection of Time' (two good albums that go together well) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 8, 1997 10:43 pm Subject: Re: Early Water Source? Really-From: Ken Alexander > Archie Patterson (Eurock) also lists it in his newest info sheet for > $18US. He's at www.eurock.com. He is also listing some Schnitzler > re-issues and the Klaus Schulze issue of Matt Howarth's comic 'Savage > Henry'. Yep, the newest hardcopy catalog claims that _Early Water_ has been reissued. Also back in the Eurock catalog is Schulze's _Are You Sequenced_. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 8, 1997 10:38 pm Subject: Re: Tangram (was Re: Shreeve - the final note!) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > ... > (I think we're agreeing on waaaay too much, these days :-) Hmm... I don't agree with you Grant. 8-D -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 8, 1997 10:23 pm Subject: Re: Zoning question Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-06-02 21:28:18 EDT, you write: > > << Could some kind soul privately send me the discographical info on > Zoning? Tracks, times, publisher, etc. Thanks. > > Scott >> > > [Phil replied] I never got the original posting, but would like to also reply -- on list since I don't know which Scott originally asked it: ZONING-film (OST) [??? 87] - EF/CF Note: the Zoning video has a different soundtrack (see ZONING-video). This feature film soundtrack was never released. ZONING-video (OST) [??? 94] - EF/JF 1- The Conspiracy [5:55] 8- Good Choice, Bad Timing [4:23] 2- Skyscraper [4:19] 9- Bachelor of Crime [5:16] 3- Headhunter [4:13] 10- Unfit For Consumption [5:23] 4- Downtown Chicago [4:28] 11- Days Of Grief And Glory [5:06] 5- Fading And Turning [3:15] 12- Eyewitness News [5:14] 6- Affluent Society [3:08] (aka 'Descent Like a Hawk') 7- Stairway Affair [5:29] 13- Missing Link [4:51] Actual times fr Repertoire, REP 4595-WY. This is the video soundtrack, not the feature film sountrack -- see ZONING-film (OST). CD [DDD] Tracks: 1-13 [1996] Repertoire [1996] Bertus (NL) B20929 (DE) REP 4595-WY Cheers -- Mark (from my compact discography) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: The 'Bad Sound' on THE PARK IS MINE Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Now Playing... >Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 15:28:09 -0700 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Mark Filipak >> >> Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) >> >> My copy of 'The Park is mine' sounds dreadful. I've been told that the >> soundtrack was taken directly from the film and that they all suffer >> from this. By 'they all suffer from this,' you must mean that all copies of THE PARK IS MINE have bad sound, not that all TD soundtracks 'suffer from this.' ;) >> Is this true 'cos' it's gettin' on me tits! Yes, THE PARK IS MINE has bad sound, but hey, if you wants yer unofficial musik, you takes yer chances with the quality. >You got it David. Too bad too as this is a fine piece of rather ballzy >music. Precisely my point. And there are probably some who would argue that the grunginess of the sound is part of what makes it. I recall the way most of Husker Du's stuff sounded, and how Big Black (produced by Steve Albini) sounded, and the Beastie Boys (produced by Rick Rubin) sounded: muddy but powerful. That's what I'd say about THE PARK IS MINE: muddy but powerful. For post-punk folk and people into alterna-whatever, the TD I am most likely to recommend are . . . o ELECTRONIC MEDITATION o KAMIKAZE 1989 soundtrack (Froese soundtrack) o THE PARK IS MINE o MIRACLE MILE o RUBYCON o AQUA (Froese solo) o EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE (Froese solo) o SORCERER soundtrack I mean, honestly, is the recording on THE PARK IS MINE really any murkier than that of SORCERER? Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4782 Re: The 'Bad Sound' on THE PARK IS MINE (DJS) Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: TD for Alterna-puppies & Techno-ambient Zoners Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subect: The 'Bad Sound' on THE PARK IS MINE >Date: Sun, 08 Jun 97 19:52:27 EDT >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > For post-punk folk and people into alterna-whatever, the TD I am >most likely to recommend are . . . > > o ELECTRONIC MEDITATION > o KAMIKAZE 1989 soundtrack (Froese soundtrack) > o THE PARK IS MINE > o MIRACLE MILE [Somehow, two lines of text got zapped on their way to the TD list. I meant to say that the following four recordings are what I tend to tell folks into techno and ambient musics to try out:] > o RUBYCON > o AQUA (Froese solo) > o EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE (Froese solo) > o SORCERER soundtrack -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: The Copyright Hassles for My Dream TD CD-set Really-From: Steven Feldman Howdy All, I was talking with Mark Filipak the other night and he said that my dream TD CD compilation set would never happen because of all the diff. outfits that would have to be dealt with, but . . . didn't companies like Adam VIII, Ronco, K-Tel, and Silver Eagle Records traffick solely in re-issued, licensed stuff??? Here, then, is my attempt to categorize which companies would have to be approached for which tracks. Keep in mind that I originally sent my suggestion for an all-company compilation to someone at Miramar. -- Steven Feldman and + + + + + + + Steven Feldman; June 8, 1997 The number of companies to be contacted to get the rights to making a compilation tape called 'WIDE-APPEAL TD TUNES, or suchlike: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wide-Appeal TD Tunes? 1 STAR CLUB: ---------------- 1966 Lady Greengrass (A-side of the German 45 by the Ones) 2:41 1966 Love of Mine (B-side of the German 45 by the Ones) 3:03 ? VIRGIN or SEQUEL: ----------------------- 1972 Ultima Thule, Pt. I (A-side of the 45) 3:27 1972 Ultima Thule, Pt. II (B-side of the 45) 4:17 2 VIRGIN: ------------- 1974 Movements of a Visionary (PHAEDRA) 7:54 1977 Betrayal (Sorcerer Theme) (SORCERER) 3:41 1979 Cloudburst Flight (FORCE MAJEURE) 7:21 1980 Beach Theme (THIEF soundtrack) 3:44 1981 Kiew Mission (EXIT) 9:18 1982 White Eagle (WHITE EAGLE) 4:30 1983 Daydream (German 45 [A-side]; TATORT German TV show sndtrck) 4:40 1983 Moorland (German 45 [B-side]; TATORT German TV show sndtrck) 3:50 1983 Cinnamon Road (HYPERBOREA) 3:54 1983 Love on a Real Train (RISKY BUSINESS sndtrck; rare version) 2:15 1983 Love on a Real Train (RISKY BUSINESS sndtrck; common version) 3:58 1985 Desire (HEARTBREAKERS) 5:38 3 SEQUEL: ------------- 1983 Rare Bird (UK 12', the sepaparate end of 'Tangent' on POLAND) 3:55 1983 Mojave End Title (WAVELENGTH soundtrack) 4:11 1985 Gaudi Park (LE PARC) 5:10 1986 Dolphin Dance (UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT) 5:05 4 MCA: ---------- 1984 Charley the Kid (FIRESTARTER soundtrack) 3:51 1984 Going West (FLASHPOINT soundtrack) 4:10 5 SILVA SCREEN: ------------------- 1984 Love Theme (THE PARK IS MINE soundtrack) 3:32 6 VARESE SARABANDE: ----------------------- 1987 Bus Station (NEAR DARK soundtrack) 4:15 1987 Mae's Transformation (NEAR DARK soundtrack) 4:20 1987 Shy People [instrumental version] (SHY PEOPLE soundtrack) 5:04 7 PRIVATE MUSIC: -------------------- 1988 Mothers of Rain (OPTICAL RACE) 5:13 1988 Sun Gate (OPTICAL RACE) 4:44 1989 Crystal Curfew (LILY ON THE BEACH) 4:57 1989 People in the News (MIRACLE MILE soundtrack) 5:10 1990 Dolls in the Shadow (MELROSE) 5:10 8 EMI France: ----------------- 1991 Correlation of Lies (THE MAN INSIDE soundtrack) 3:45 1991 News and Morality (THE MAN INSIDE soundtrack) 4:45 9 MIRAMAR: -------------- 1987 Canyon Carver (CANYON DREAMS soundtrack [CD released 1990]) 4:17 1992 Touchwood (ROCKOON) 4:34 1992 Rockoon--Special Radio Edit (CD-5 [from ROCKOON]) 4:16 1993 Hamlet (220 VOLT LIVE) 8:30 1993 Love on a Real Train (Risky Business) (from THREE PHASE vid) 3:17 1994 Twilight Brigade (TURN OF THE TIDES) 9:45 1994 Story of the Brave (CD-5 [from TURN OF THE TIDES]) 5:17 1995 Catwalk (TYRANNY OF BEAUTY) 7:21 1995 Rough Embrace (THE DREAM MIXES) 5:30 10 TDI INTERNATIONAL: ------------------------ 1996 Towards the Evening Star (GOBLINS' CLUB) 6:16 11 REPERTOIRE RECORDS 1994 The Conspiracy (ZONING soundtrack) 5:54 TOTAL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 205 minutes and 35 seconds Divide 205:35 by 3 (for three CDs), and you get 68:11+--roughly three 68-minute CDs. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 1:46 am Subject: Re: Now Playing... Really-From: '(DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > >Really-From: stephan bischoff > > >np: T-Bass - Tranquillity Bass (Hi David!) > > Well, thank you... and hello to you, Stephan... > > TD content : > > My copy of 'The Park is mine' sounds dreadful. I've been told that the > soundtrack was taken directly from the film and that they all suffer from > this. > Is this true 'cos' it's gettin' on me tits! > > Cheers > David > False...Park Is mine was not taken directly from the film (where....who....where did this idea come from?). The reason for the sound quality not being up to par is that the analog tapes that were used could not be re-mastered well enough. It was mastered by Alan Howarth who is one of the most experienced sound engineers in film music so I'm sure it's as good as it gets without having Edgar's masters. While it is true that the sound quality could be better, I am thankful that this release even exists. Otherwise, we'd all be looking for the video just so we could hear an end title. regards, DJS From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 1:49 am Subject: Re: The 'Bad Sound' on THE PARK IS MINE Really-From: '(DJS)' t > > Yes, THE PARK IS MINE has bad sound, but hey, if you wants yer > unofficial musik, you takes yer chances with the quality. > Er...PIM is an official licensed release. Though it was done without TD's help, the license is owned legally by SS. Like I said, the only reason it sounds 'hazy' is because of the shoddy masters. Blame Edgar. DJS > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 3:16 am Subject: Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) >> Long Post << Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-07 09:26:27 EDT, you write: << But when I'm at my computer doing a design implimentation (generally pretty repetitious), nothing beats a good drone, IMHO. Cheers -- Mark >> I can relate to those needs. For me the 'drone' portrays an urgency, and deep within I can imagine it going on perpetually. That usually carries my conscious mind onwards to the completion of a task, and I can visualize 'keeping at it' until it's done. The creative process requires a bit of background ingenuity in order to get me to rise to the occasion. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 3:16 am Subject: Re: Ladys and electronic music Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-07 03:58:17 EDT, you write: << I took my girlfriend (niw my wife) to see TD in concert way back in 1981, and although the bass was rumbling enough to cave in your rib cage I looked over to my beloved to find her FAST ASLEEP. Glutten for punishment I took het to the logos tour following year with much the same results. Since then I have always gone alone. Although I'm always on the luck out for some attractive lady to accompany me. Gaza >> Actually this is a pretty common reaction to high Db levels. I used to get my daughter to drop off to sleep this way when she was a rug-rat. No such luck now, however. Whenever I play anything on the Hi-Fi now, though, it knocks out the cat in thirty seconds or less. Try this the next time you have insomnia; put on the walkman headphones and turn up the volume all the way. You'll get a good nights sleep and never have to worry about those annoying noises at night any more, because you'll be stone deaf. Tinitus not withstanding. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 3:17 am Subject: Re: Women and electronic music Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-08 02:55:12 EDT, << -Elana (who is the only woman she knows who acts as an *activist* for this kinda music... more than just listening to it) >> Brava! Brava! Keep the faith. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 3:15 am Subject: Desert Island? Really-From: PNaunton@a... I don't think I would want any TD recordings on a desert island. Just the thought of having all that music and nothing to play it on, or if I did have a walkman, say, the thought of running out of batteries, would be more than I could bear. ;-D hee, hee, hee. It's not really all that funny. Sorry. :-( Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 3:18 am Subject: Re: Predictable Music (Slightly off topic) Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-07 09:26:27 EDT, you write: << Is Edgar treading > the extremely narrow path of fantasy/reality with his music? Yow! Narrow path? Check out almost any author, painter, sculptor, dancer, actor, ... It's a 10 lane freeway! Sometimes when I'm at a friend's house and the TV's on (I don't have one), I think the rest of the country is living in the median strip -- except for 'Star Trek' of course. That's reality. ;-) Sorry for the interruption, please continue Phil. >> No, no. I agree that it is for the most part a ten lane freeway, and packed like rush hour with all manner of humanity. What I was implying was that Edgar treads nimbly across the borders between Real and Surreal like Rudolph Nuryev in his prime. I really think this is what makes the music work. Anyone can make pretentions to Fantasy, or Surrealism, but it takes a master to make coherent associations between Fantasy and _Reality_, The _Real_ and The Surreal. Associations which stand the rigours of the constant and fickle shifting of popular art/music trends. This firm and virile creative heartbeat has been a mainstay in the music of Tangerine Dream for a long, long time. And I'm damned proud to have experienced every minute of it. Phil Naunton P.S. But enough of this. Let's get back to the fun. 'Let's Rock This Joint!' N.P. Dream Mixes 1.0 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 3:33 am Subject: Timeless Space Really-From: lllowen@n... (Lon Lowen) Does anyone know how many copies of Timeless Space were made? I have a cassette of this boot, and would be willing to pay a rather weighty amount for an original (I believe the original was only made in LP format). Thanks, --lon -- Lon Lowen lllowen@n... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4868 Re: Timeless Space Klaus Beschorner Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 9:33 am Subject: women and TD Really-From: Armin Theissen >Subject: Women and electronic music > >Really-From: Elana who? > >> Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) >> >> I had to post this because this is only the second (!) female >> I encountered in my meanwhile 31 years lasting life who likes >> TD! > >Well, if you have been on Tadream for awhile, you already met at least >one other... ;-) > > > >- -Elana >(who is the only woman she knows who acts as an *activist* for this >kinda music... more than just listening to it) > > Hi Elena, yes, I knew about you (after two or three years on this list). But I never met you *in person* :) armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4790 Re: women and TD Craig R. J. Cordrey Mon 6/9/1997 3 KB 4808 Re: women and TD Sean Montgomery Mon 6/9/1997 3 KB 4797 Re: women and TD IBM Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB 4798 Re: women and TD PNaunton@a... Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB 4814 Re: women and TD Vincent Goudreault Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB 4825 Re: women and TD Gabe Yedid Mon 6/9/1997 3 KB 4826 Re: women and TD Sean Montgomery Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB 4867 Re: women and TD Gabe Yedid Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4952 Re: women and TD Mark Jones Thu 6/12/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 6:58 pm Subject: Re: women and TD Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' We're following the wrong band for women, I think. At the JMJ concert last week, there were loads of very attractive women, of all ages (early-, mid- and late-teens, tenwties all the way up to fifties, I would guess). Think it's those french looks that attract them? BTW, the Desert Island Disk chart shall be forwarded soon. There was some late entries, and some miss-typing on my part, but it should be with you by the end of the day! --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4808 Re: women and TD Sean Montgomery Mon 6/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 8:21 pm Subject: DID Chart : Conclusions? Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Okay, now obviously I've been closer to this than most and so I have come to some conclusions, some of which may be fact and others may be conjecture on my part : 1) We like the live stuff! With the exception of Livemiles, all other live albums appear in the top half of the chart, and three of the top four places are held by live albums. 2) We don't like early 90s stuff! There is no mention for Rockoon, Turn of the Tides, Tyrrany of Beauty or Zoning. Draw your own conclusions from that! 3) Compilations Although there was no official rule on comps., there were very few nominated. Tangents seemed to get the most votes, and I don't recall seeing a single one for Dream Roots. Conclusions? 4) We don't like soundtracks! With the exception of Thief, no other soundtrack got into double figures. Possibly because many people don't have many soundtracks? Or do we not like them as much as studio albums? Bear with me for another, more fun-oriented mailing on this topic, although that's likely to be later this week since I need to do some preparatory work. Later, --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4880 Re: DID Chart : Conclusions? Dennis Nigbur Tue 6/10/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 8:13 pm Subject: Desert Island Disc Chart Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Okay, here it is : I didn't count any boots or compilations, except for Dream mixes which is debatable as a compilation. I didn't count any solo material. There were 44 separate albums included in the chart, nominated by 29 recipients. These were : Rich Maggio, Mark Jones, Ian Shillingford, AslanFan1, Phil D., Gabe Yedid, Maxwell Croy, Brian Kirby, Kenneth Beal, Brian Sphar, Jens Peschke, Martin Fellis, Mark Filipak, Graf Zeigen, Antonio Nunes, Marcelo G., Steve McCready, Steven Feldman, Craig Cordrey, Gary Cresswell, Grant Middleton, Vik Rek, Dennis Nigbur, Dano, Kent E., Stephan Bischoff, Scott Plumer, Sean Montgomerie, Morgan Feldon. Thanks guys ! The list shows position, votes cast and album name. 1 17 Logos 2 16 Poland 3 14 Tangram 4 13 Ricochet Encore Force Majeure 7 12 Phaedra Rubycon 9 11 Dream Mixes 10 10 Pergamon Exit Thief Underwater Sunlight 14 9 White Eagle 15 7 Stratosfear Hyperborea Melrose 220 Volt Live 19 6 Cyclone Le Parc Canyon Dreams Miracle Mile 23 5 Zeit Green Desert 25 4 Sorcerer 26 3 Alpha Centauri Legend Optical Race The Man Inside Goblin's Club 31 2 Atem Flashpoint Heartbreakers Firestarter Livemiles Lily on the Beach Near Dark 38 1 Wavelength Tyger Shy People The Park is Mine Destination Berlin Quinoa Oasis --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4871 Re: Desert Island Disc Chart Dennis Nigbur Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 12:23 pm Subject: greg heil e-mail me please Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Hi Greg I lost your e-mail but I found something you had been seeking. please e-mail me off list as I lost your e-mail address Lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Why Do Folks Think OASIS Might Not See a US Release? Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi, Why is it that some folks around the net (here on this list, particularly) think that OASIS will not be released in the USA? Is it that everyone's miffed that neither TANGENTS nor DREAM ROOTS nor even ZONING had a US release and are now assuming that OASIS will be the same? -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4828 Re: Why Do Folks Think OASIS Might Not See a US R Morgan Marks Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 12:36 pm Subject: Concert track list Really-From: Hilmar Kraft The latest edition of 'Dream Collector' has a track list for the European concerts 1997. The first set lists a track entitled 'Logic' being played. Anyone know what this is? I am pretty sure that they played 'Silver Scale' which was not mentioned in the set list. Is 'Logic' thus an alternate name for 'Silver Scale'...? Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4803 Re: Concert track list Plumer, Scott Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB 4809 Re: Concert track list Marcel Engels Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 12:41 pm Subject: Re: Optical Race LP running times Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-06 23:08:10 EDT, you write: << Hi All. Would someone who has the LP version of 'Optical Race' please post the track times. Actual times are preferred but labeled times will due. I'm adding up the times and come out with an impossibly long LP. For convenience, you needn't label the tracks. Here's a fill-in: 1- 2- 3- 4- 5- 6- 7- 8- 9- 10- Thanks -- Mark >> I have this version, but the track times are not listed anywhere on the jacket or label. It will take some time to do an actual time estimate if you are really interested. Let me know and I will attempt to collect them. Hmm, maybe I could count the number of grooves at a particular radius and divide by 33.33 ........... nah. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 1:19 pm Subject: RE: women and TD Really-From: IBM >Really-From: Armin Theissen >>Really-From: Elana who? >>Well, if you have been on Tadream for awhile, you already met at least >>one other... ;-) >yes, I knew about you (after two or three years on this list). >But I never met you *in person* :) She's real... I once woke her up early in the morning -- I forgot the 3 hour time difference b/w Atlanta and where she lived (CA?) -- but she was very kind about the whole thing. - jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 1:57 pm Subject: Re: women and TD Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-09 07:05:56 EDT, you write: << We're following the wrong band for women, I think. At the JMJ concert last week, there were loads of very attractive women, of all ages (early-, mid- and late-teens, tenwties all the way up to fifties, I would guess). Think it's those french looks that attract them? >> What about John Tesh? Gag me with a spoon!! There are limits one can go to to meet females. On a side note, and unrelated......I remember taking my wife and a gay friend of ours (female) to a Meg Christian - Dierdre McCalla concert some years ago. I was one of say two or three guys there amongst a sea of gay women. It was interesting sharing the mens' room with a bunch of women. At least the urinals were available without competition. Surprisingly, I found the music rather enjoyable. The keyboardist had obviously had some Tangerine Dream influences. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 2:27 pm Subject: women and td Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) > >>I had to post this because this is only the second (!) female I >>encountered in my meanwhile 31 years lasting life who likes >>TD! (Unfortunately, she's got a boyfriend, and the first one was already >>married...) > >Keep trying, Armin, there's more than just these two out there. >Trust me, I know what I'm talking about ;-) > >- -klaus- > thanks, Klaus. You gave me new hope ;-) armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4830 Re: women and td Greg Heil Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 2:35 pm Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Edgar! Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> Or perhaps I should say Froeliche geburtstag Edgar! 53 and counting. >> >> Scott >Yes! Yes! A touring pro at 53. Why, that's only 35 in hexadecimal! >Happy birthday Edgar. You don't look a day over 35. :-) > -- Mark While we're on the topic, what's Jerome's birthday? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 2:32 pm Subject: td on polish tv Really-From: Armin Theissen > >> Really-From: Armin Theissen >> >> Hi, >> >> as I read on the TD homepage newsticker, the concert >> in Warsaw (June 13th) will be broadcasted by Polish >> TV in its entire length! >> >> Please please fans in Poland with a VCR: tape it!!!!! >> And copy! >> >> >> armin > >Hi > >I can try but I don't know about this transmission. Is it realy >transmission or retransmission in other time ? I didn't find it in any >tv program. Which station ? Public state or regional or maybe satellite >? Can you get me url to this lost (by me) page ? > >I heard from last concert in Zabrze was also made film but also I don't >know when it was or when it will be. I asked about these concerts on >polish newsgrupups. Maybe someone know about them. > > >- -- >Piotr Trzcionkowski Hi Piotr, I just checked the td web page (http://www.netstore.de/tadream, click to 'what's on'). The Warsaw concert on June 13th will be filmed by the Polish national TV, but broadcasted in late autumn. So there is still time (unfortunately, I am not very patient...) armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 2:56 pm Subject: The man inside/Lost Email ! Really-From: Rainer Rutka HI Ev'rybody ! I lost my email by accident - so please: The 2 guys who wanted to sell me Rumpelstilzkin and the Live-CDs (50$) PLEASE POST TO ME AGAIN (rainer@k...). I'm searching for the MAN INSIDE-OST !! Where can I get it ? Thany you VERY much ! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Rainer Rutka K+R Informationssysteme Konstanz E-Mail : rainer@k... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 2:54 pm Subject: RE: Concert track list Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >The latest edition of 'Dream Collector' has a track list for >the European concerts 1997. Hilmar, for those of us who don't subscribe, would you post the set list on the mailing list? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 3:09 pm Subject: New TD book in the works Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Hello. I wanted to announce, after all this talk of a sickeningly detailed discography, that for the last 6 months, I've been working on a NEW book about TD. It's a chronicle of their history from 1944 to 1997. Without going into too much detail, I'd like to ask for the list's help. As illustrations, I'm using, among other things, advertisements for concerts. I have several from Cleveland and New York, but that's it. I'd like to get advertisements from all over the world, and that's where YOU come in. If you happen to have clipped an ad for a TD concert you can copy, or can get to a library and look some up on microfilm and copy them for me, I'd be very appreciative. Just a simple photocopy is fine, as long as it's clean and clear. I'm looking for ads from any city, any era, but I'd especially like to see ads from Europe, Australia, or from the San Francisco & Santa Monica shows from 1980. East Berlin 1980 would be cool, too. E-mail me privately if you're willing to help. Thanks. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 4:01 pm Subject: last track on Thief.... Really-From: Alexander Bjelke hi fellow dreamers, I got the album 'Thief' yesterday, and I was a bit shocked when hearing the last track on this album. The whole song was almost a sample of the last track on 'Force Majeure', the only difference was a few more layers in the music. I don't like musical recycling, it does not matter how good the 'original' is (and Force Majeure is an exelent album). I thought Edgar also had the philosophy not to re-use old material in new albums.... Regards Alexander Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4807 Re: last track on Thief.... Vincent Goudreault Mon 6/9/1997 3 KB 4810 Re: last track on Thief.... Gabe Yedid Mon 6/9/1997 3 KB 4815 Re: last track on Thief.... Sean Montgomery Mon 6/9/1997 3 KB 4816 Reuse of material in movies Sean Montgomery Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB 4811 Re: last track on Thief.... Plumer, Scott Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB 4813 Re: last track on Thief.... Martin Schmidt Mon 6/9/1997 3 KB 4818 Re: last track on Thief.... Plumer, Scott Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB 4824 Re: last track on Thief.... Michael Trinastic Mon 6/9/1997 3 KB 4847 Re: last track on Thief.... Craig R. J. Cordrey Tue 6/10/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 4:01 pm Subject: More thoughts on Three Phase Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I finished watching it over the weekend. I almost wanted my money back when the 'Phaedra' video came on. I HAVE the program they used to create those graphics. It's a shareware program called 'O-my-god.' Needless to say, I wasn't impressed. What made me soil my drawers was the live footage from '77! How cool! Edgar, if you're reading this, I would pay ANYTHING to see more of that, preferably with sound.The shots of the setup in Athens was pretty cool, as were the shots of the band walking around. One thing that really amazed me was the shot of Edgar SMILING! He almost starts laughing, too. My wife said it's a shame he doesn't smile in band photos, because he has such a nice smile. All in all, I liked it. I'd have prefered a tape of _just_ one concert, or just videos, but that was a good start. What I would _really_ like to see, if it was available, is a tape of one of their early shows, circa 1974 or earlier. Rheims, preferably. I'd also like to see a full show of the '77 tour, the '78 tour, the '79 tour, the '80 tour. . . Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4812 Re: More thoughts on Three Phase Marcel Engels Mon 6/9/1997 3 KB 4823 Re: More thoughts on Three Phase K.E Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB 4831 Re: More thoughts on Three Phase Dennis Nigbur Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4832 Re: More thoughts on Three Phase Morgan Marks Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4857 Re: More thoughts on Three Phase Plumer, Scott Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4859 Re: More thoughts on Three Phase Plumer, Scott Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 4:36 pm Subject: Re: last track on Thief.... Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 9, 6:01pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: last track on Thief.... > Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > > > hi fellow dreamers, > > I got the album 'Thief' yesterday, and I was a bit shocked when hearing > the last track on this album. The whole song was almost a sample of the > last track on 'Force Majeure', the only difference was a few more layers > in the music. I don't like musical recycling, it does not matter how > good the 'original' is (and Force Majeure is an exelent album). I > thought Edgar also had the philosophy not to re-use old material in new > albums.... > > Regards > Alexander >-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list Well, you're in for quite a disappointment, then, as several themes in soundtracks are adaptation of existing album tracks, 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' being simply one of the most obvious. And, to go with the 'old' material point you raise, 'Thief' and 'Force Majeure' were released within 2 years of one another; if someone takes into consideration the time a film spends in post-production, they were thus produced at about the same time. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 4:39 pm Subject: Re: women and TD Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Think it's those french looks that attract them? This is an interesting point! I mean, aside from Tesh, there's also Yanni with his legions of swooning women...Enigma has a strong Estrogen Brigade, and 80s synth bands like Depeche Mode tended to be more popular with the girls I knew in high school than with the guys. So what does it boil down to? Looks, perhaps. Jarre's gallic charms obviously do more for him than Jerome's tribute to Robert Smith (although Edgar does bear a passing resemblance to Nick Nolte). The only TD song that's been popular with women I know is 'Love on a Real Train', which aside from being a beautiful piece of music also has the association with that memorable sequence in Risky Business. Everyone always recognizes it when they hear it. So I think what we're dealing with is a question of imagery, and I don't just mean marketing. If a piece of electronic music can be associated with passion, than it rises to a new level for the listener. Perhaps I'm stereotyping, and I do apologize if it's being taken that way, but few are the women I've encountered for whom the sight of three frowning men sitting silently behind their keyboards sets the heart to fluttering. The women I know who have been responded to TD tend to have vibrant interior lives, and view the music as blank canvases on which to hang whatever thoughts are passing through their minds on that day. And for some reason, they do indeed seem to be rare! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 4:48 pm Subject: Re: Concert track list Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >The latest edition of 'Dream Collector' has a track list for > >the European concerts 1997. > > Hilmar, > for those of us who don't subscribe, would you post the set list on the > mailing list? > > Scott That would be very helpful for the upcoming boot?!? Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 4:50 pm Subject: Re: last track on Thief.... Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > > > hi fellow dreamers, > > I got the album 'Thief' yesterday, and I was a bit shocked when hearing > the last track on this album. The whole song was almost a sample of the > last track on 'Force Majeure', the only difference was a few more layers > in the music. I don't like musical recycling, it does not matter how > good the 'original' is (and Force Majeure is an exelent album). I > thought Edgar also had the philosophy not to re-use old material in new > albums.... > > Regards > Alexander Well, this track has been on _Thief_ from the get-go, and is probably one of the earliest examples of 'Tangentizing' in the band's output. And as for not re-using old material in new albums: --the melodies from _Sorcerer_ and 'Stratosfear' in _Encore_? --the riffs from 'Mojave Plan' that turned up in 'San Rocco' from _Dream Mixes_? --the infamous 3-note arpeggio that turns up in _Phaedra_, _Tangram_, and _Optical Race_ (in 'Turning Off The Wheel')? --the 'Blue Part' of _Logos_ used in the soundtrack to 'The Keep'? TD's done a lot of re-using old material! Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4815 Re: last track on Thief.... Sean Montgomery Mon 6/9/1997 3 KB 4816 Reuse of material in movies Sean Montgomery Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 4:55 pm Subject: RE: last track on Thief.... Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I got the album 'Thief' yesterday, and I was a bit shocked when hearing >the last track on this album. The whole song was almost a sample of the >last track on 'Force Majeure', the only difference was a few more layers >in the music. I don't like musical recycling, it does not matter how >good the 'original' is (and Force Majeure is an exelent album). I >thought Edgar also had the philosophy not to re-use old material in new >albums.... True, he does, but don't forget: this is a _soundtrack_. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 4:55 pm Subject: Re: More thoughts on Three Phase Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > I finished watching it over the weekend. I almost wanted my money back > when the 'Phaedra' video came on. I HAVE the program they used to create > those graphics. It's a shareware program called 'O-my-god.' Needless to > say, I wasn't impressed. > > All in all, I liked it. I'd have prefered a tape of _just_ one concert, > or just videos, but that was a good start. What I would _really_ like to > see, if it was available, is a tape of one of their early shows, circa > 1974 or earlier. Rheims, preferably. I'd also like to see a full show of > the '77 tour, the '78 tour, the '79 tour, the '80 tour. . . > > Scott Hhmm, that would be very, very nice yes. Of every TD-fan and people who likes this music I know, everyone wants an old concert on video, so Edgar please! The only concert-footage I know of (and have) is Coventry Catherdal '75. But on this video the music is not in sync with the pics. But it's nice to watch anyway. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm (hmm, gotta update this one soon with pics. of my concerts etc.) Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 2:01 am Subject: Re: last track on Thief.... Really-From: 'Martin Schmidt' Hello everybody, On 9 Jun 97 at 18:01, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > > hi fellow dreamers, > > I got the album 'Thief' yesterday, and I was a bit shocked when hearing > the last track on this album. The whole song was almost a sample of the > last track on 'Force Majeure', the only difference was a few more layers > in the music. I don't like musical recycling, it does not matter how good > the 'original' is (and Force Majeure is an exelent album). I thought > Edgar also had the philosophy not to re-use old material in new > albums.... > you should take into account that '`Thief'' is a sound track for the motion picture '`Thief''. The same is happening with '`Lana'' on '`Risky business'' (which is IIRC mainly '`Cloudburst Flight'', my alltime favourite TD title (or was it '`Force Majeure''?), from '`Force Majeure''), and I remember to have heard '`Love at a real train'' (from '`Risky business'') under a different name on a TD-live-Bootleg... Martin --- Dipl.phys. Martin Schmidt Martin.schmidt@t... Institut fuer Mikrotechnik an der TU Braunschweig PGP public key on request (subject: PGP public key request) fingerprint: 24 ff 2a c6 6d b1 52 0f d8 17 ac 72 7e c0 48 26 'Every science pretends to be the most important one. But with physics it is different: physics is really the most important science!' Unknown author From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 5:14 pm Subject: Re: women and TD Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' It has been by understanding than women in general would favor communication (i.e. sharing experiences and views) over exploration. Is it thus possible that women would have problems with TD music because it is instrumental and not danceable? C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4825 Re: women and TD Gabe Yedid Mon 6/9/1997 3 KB 4826 Re: women and TD Sean Montgomery Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB 4867 Re: women and TD Gabe Yedid Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4952 Re: women and TD Mark Jones Thu 6/12/1997 4 KB 4955 Re: women and TD Ken Beal Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB 4957 Re: women and TD Sean Montgomery Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB 4968 Re: women and TD Gabe Yedid Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 5:06 pm Subject: Re: last track on Thief.... Really-From: Sean Montgomery Indeed, TD soundtracks have often cannablized other material. Witness: 'Love on a Real Train,' reborn as 'Bonding by Candlelight' on Three o'Clock High, and 'Running out of Time' on Miracle Mile (not to mention in various different incarnations on compilations and live versions) 'Exit', reused as 'Guido the Killer Pimp', 'Force Majeure' as 'Lana', and a portion of Tangram, used in Risky Business. 'Silver Scale', as 'Church Theme' - and portions of Pergamon - used on Wavelength an early version of 'Dolphin Dance' in The Soldier A version of 'Ride on the Ray' in The Park is Mine Shall I go on...? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 5:10 pm Subject: Reuse of material in movies Really-From: Sean Montgomery This is just pure specualtion, but I think one possible reason why soundtracks often incorporate existing TD material is that the director of the film may want it to! I was reading an interview with Larry Fast last week, in which he pointed out that directors often slug in existing music overtop of the film sequences to see how it works, and then fall in love with the song, and get the composers to whip up something as close to it as possible. So if, say, Michael Mann really dug 'Through Metamorphic Rocks,' he probably asked for it to be used in Thief. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 5:20 pm Subject: Re: Anyone familiar with SongSearch? Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-06-06 21:52:47 EDT, you write: << I know the 'rule' about PO Boxes but I REALLY wanted GLOBAL COMMUNICATION '76:14.' Seems they can't get it for me. As long as I don't see a charge on my credit card it's no biggy. But I still want the Global Communication CD. Any suggestions? If anyone would have any ideas, it would have to be you. :-) >> cdnow had/has it...you can also order direct from dedicated (gc's label)...get it now, its a classic... tom w np: r.sakamoto - left handed dream From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 6:31 pm Subject: Re: last track on Thief.... Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Speaking of which, anyone catch the sample from Mojave Plan in track 5 of The Celestine Prophecy? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 7:01 pm Subject: Women and electronic music Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all, ><< -Elana > (who is the only woman she knows who acts as an *activist* for this > kinda music... more than just listening to it) > >> My young lady, the enegmatic Jules C is, I'm delighted to say, totally into EM in a big way, the Tangs especially. So much so that she's taken to helping out on keys at our live gigs. Actually, it isn't all that unusual to see women in EM. Bekki Williams and Jan Hanford are both wonderful composers signed to the AD Music label. Check out Bekki's tunes if you're into Andy Pickford-esque type music. I haven't heard Jan's stuff so can't comment. Anyway, I think the jist of this thread is that we need to see more women getting actively involved in _our_ EM scene. The number of females all screaming and shouting at the Gallic charms of JMJ was fantastic. Makes me wanna grab an old VCS3, a Mellotron and a squeaky lazer harp and get out on that hen-night circuit... Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 8:25 pm Subject: [Fwd: ] Really-From: CARL LINDBERGH xx From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 8:26 pm Subject: . Really-From: CARL LINDBERGH Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4822 Re: . Sean Montgomery Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 8:41 pm Subject: Re: . Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Really-From: CARL LINDBERGH > > Carl, you are truly a man of few words. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 9:24 pm Subject: Re: More thoughts on Three Phase Really-From: 'K.E' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > I finished watching it over the weekend. I almost wanted my money back > when the 'Phaedra' video came on. I HAVE the program they used to create > those graphics. It's a shareware program called 'O-my-god.' Needless to > say, I wasn't impressed. I have a small program for called 'Dazzle' wich does exactly the same... I wasn`t impressed either... Kent From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 9:33 pm Subject: RE: last track on Thief.... Really-From: Michael Trinastic >And as for not re-using old material in new albums: >--the melodies from _Sorcerer_ and 'Stratosfear' in _Encore_? >--the riffs from 'Mojave Plan' that turned up in 'San Rocco' from _Dream >Mixes_? >--the infamous 3-note arpeggio that turns up in _Phaedra_, _Tangram_, and >_Optical Race_ (in 'Turning Off The Wheel')? >--the 'Blue Part' of _Logos_ used in the soundtrack to 'The Keep'? > >TD's done a lot of re-using old material! > >Gabe Hoping to not sound too naive, what this 'infamous 3-note arpeggio is.' Where is it in Tangram? -Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 9:47 pm Subject: Re: women and TD Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > > It has been by understanding than women in general would favor communication > (i.e. sharing experiences and views) over exploration. Is it thus possible > that women would have problems with TD music because it is instrumental and > not danceable? This is ground I've wanted to tread in the past, but ya beat me to it, Vincent ;). I was always afraid of being lynched by rabid feminists...while seemingly forgetting that there are so few females here to begin with... It is true, as a general observation, that TD's music is on the whole very introspective and exploratory, suggestive rather rather than explicit, and at times approaching very contemplative. Most of it not suitable for 'social' situations, and not really about communication as such. (as an example, I think that 'Tierra del Fuego' could be one of the greatest love songs of all time--but it's got no lyrics, and is suggestive of such feelings rather than actually talking about them). And seeing as men are supposed to be *un*communicative, well, the sex-skew should come as no surprise, right? ;) In all seriousness, I think this could make for a valid, and fascinating, psychology study--is the 'remoteness' of music like TD's a factor of making it more attractive to men than women? At the same time, I think Sean has a point about image, and marketing. When was the last time Edgar stood up, proclaimed himself Romance Incarnate, and dedicated the next piece to Monica, or his mother, or the legions of female fans he doesn't have? Still, in terms of visual impressions, I always thought Ed has far more 'presence' than Yanni or Tesh. Maybe too much--he can look very intimidating, after all! > C.B. Vincent Goudreault > online since early 93, TD fan since 77 Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4826 Re: women and TD Sean Montgomery Mon 6/9/1997 2 KB 4867 Re: women and TD Gabe Yedid Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 10:02 pm Subject: Re: women and TD Really-From: Sean Montgomery > When was the last time Edgar stood up, proclaimed himself Romance > Incarnate Now *that* would be funny! Or better yet: 'Edgar: Lord of the Dance!' The show begins as he emerges, his bare chest already spritzed and glistening.....and then he proceeds to prance around the stage! Or maybe not. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4867 Re: women and TD Gabe Yedid Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 11:50 pm Subject: Desert Island Revisited Really-From: Morgan Marks This really turned in to a cool thread. Both for the '10 TD albums I'd take with me' and also the '10 non-TD albums I'd take with me'... Did I mention that after being on the island for a month with a CD-player, plenty of food, water, and batteries, you get a special treat? Edgar, Jerome, Johannes, Christop, Peter and Paul show up and invite you to dinner. Morgan feldon@n... p.s. To start another thread: If you could have the use of all the instruments used for ONE particular album, fully MIDIfied so you can sequence them all, and a decent computer that can edit multi-track for a summer (3 months), which album would you choose? Obviously, harmonicas, guitars, etc. would have to be played by you... we'll assume that in all cases, you've got a modern drum machine with several drumpads, which can be sequenced. Also, assume that the equipment remains fully operational for the summer and you've got adequate electricity. Would you want to play on the island, or elsewhere? I'll go ahead and place my vote, Logos, and stay on the desert island for the last of the three months. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4858 Re: Desert Island Revisited Plumer, Scott Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4872 Re: Desert Island Revisited Gabe Yedid Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4911 Re: Desert Island Revisited Paul Nagle Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4873 Re: Desert Island Revisited Sean Montgomery Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4866 Re: Desert Island Revisited Dennis Nigbur Tue 6/10/1997 3 KB 4878 Re: Desert Island Revisited Plumer, Scott Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4909 Re: Desert Island Revisited Greg Heil Wed 6/11/1997 3 KB 4936 Re: Desert Island Revisited GrafZeigen@a... Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4941 Re: Desert Island Revisited Antonio Nunes Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 11:52 pm Subject: Re: Why Do Folks Think OASIS Might Not See a US Release? Really-From: Morgan Marks At 08:17 AM 6/9/97 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > >Hi, > Why is it that some folks around the net (here on this list, >particularly) think that OASIS will not be released in the USA? Is it >that everyone's miffed that neither TANGENTS huh? >nor DREAM ROOTS huh? >nor even ZONING had a US release huh? >and are now assuming that OASIS will be the same? I got all of these down the street at a regular music shop (Soundwaves). Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 11:13 pm Subject: Re: women and TD Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 9, 5:47pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: women and TD > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > (...) > > This is ground I've wanted to tread in the past, but ya beat me to it, > Vincent ;). I was always afraid of being lynched by rabid > feminists...while seemingly forgetting that there are so few females here > to begin with... I think you can relax, Gabe. We *never* said that one approach was superior to the other, only that they are different ;-). Of course, what this implies is that you can't really use TD music to attract women in general. But *THEY* could use it to attract *US* !!! > > It is true, as a general observation, that TD's music is on the whole > very introspective and exploratory, suggestive rather rather than > explicit, and at times approaching very contemplative. Most of it not > suitable for 'social' situations, and not really about communication as such. > (as an example, I think that 'Tierra del Fuego' could be one of the > greatest love songs of all time--but it's got no lyrics, and is > suggestive of such feelings rather than actually talking about them). > And seeing as men are supposed to be *un*communicative, well, the > sex-skew should come as no surprise, right? ;) Well, yes. You put on a TD CD, you close your eyes, and you drift off in your inner space. You can't really share that with someone who is not into this kind of thing. I guess this 'women and TD' tread could be another chapter in the best selling book 'Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus'... (...) C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 9, 1997 11:31 pm Subject: Re: women and td Really-From: 'Greg Heil' My girlfriend likes to play with MIDI keyboards, while also being a talented flute player. She gave a tape of some music she likes (she's a teen like I am) and some of it sounds very close to TD! While I was surprised to find an excellent version of the theme to the Exorcist on the tape as well =o) She's also a very smart person, ready to publish a fantasy story that is just wonderful! I guess she has a mind for exploring music. There's hope out there! You just have to be lucky (lotta luck) Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 5:02 am Subject: Re: More thoughts on Three Phase Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:01:00 -0400 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >What made me soil my drawers was the live footage from '77! How cool! >Edgar, if you're reading this, I would pay ANYTHING to see more of that, >preferably with sound.The shots of the setup in Athens was pretty cool, >as were the shots of the band walking around. Which passage exactly is that? Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 2:24 am Subject: Re: More thoughts on Three Phase Really-From: Morgan Marks At 01:02 AM 6/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > >>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >>What made me soil my drawers was the live footage from '77! How cool! >>Edgar, if you're reading this, I would pay ANYTHING to see more of that, >>preferably with sound.The shots of the setup in Athens was pretty cool, >>as were the shots of the band walking around. > >Which passage exactly is that? The credits... Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 4:39 am Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-03 13:29:35 EDT, you write: << -B. Kirby NP: Lovely Thunder - H. Budd >> I used to love this recording. I have it on vinyl,.......somewhere.......weeell..... it's obviously misfiled. Oh, well. Sigh. N.P. Moebius & Plank 'Rastakraut Pasta' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 4:40 am Subject: Re: DVD's expensive?? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-03 17:18:14 EDT, you write: << As a serious fan of laser discs, I'll be making the move to DVD (eventually). Heck, they're about $20 each versus the $30 (or more) I usually pay for LD's. If you can find Canyon Dreams on LD, buy it because it doesn't strike me as a title that will move to DVD anytime soon. The DVD players are going for approx. $499 (unless you buy one that plays both LD's and DVD's). Neal :-) >> The price on the DVDs will go up substantially when the major studios decide to support the product. Right now you can't get a significant title spread, and it will probably stay that way until the market thickens. There are no current releases on DVD, and there probably won't be any of these until it shakes out whether the medium is purchase or rental oriented. And I don't mean Mom & Pop operations but on the Grande Scale; The Big Vendors. Time will tell. Things _will_ change. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4839 Re: DVD's expensive?? Morgan Marks Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4902 Re: DVD's expensive?? PNaunton@a... Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 4:41 am Subject: WHAAAaaaa? was (Re: Some TD at last...) Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-04 00:14:45 EDT, you write: << STOP EMAILING ME PEOPLE ---- From: tadream mailing list >> Err, how _do_ you E-Mail people? I thought you only could send messages. Are they your own personal people when you get them? Are you still responsible if they die or get sick? I've got some work I need done around here, but I want to know my levels of responsibility before I get involved with this. Obviously this person is having a hard time getting the sender to stop sending people to her; is this a serious problem to deal with? I don't want the house getting filled up with unwanted people who have nothing to do. I suppose you can E-Mail them back but I don't know if I have the right equipment to do this. Do you think I have too much free time on my hands? Should I seek professional help, or is it too late? Phil Naunton (who needs a serious vacation) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4888 Re: WHAAAaaaa? was (Re: Some TD at last...) Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 4:41 am Subject: Re: Some TD at last... Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-03 19:09:53 EDT, you write: << listening to a CD entitled 'Underwater Sunlight' at the moment by a band called 'Tangerine Dream'. I think it is very good indeed. Would anyone else agree with me? Cheers David >> This is an excellent recording by a relatively unknown band, and should pass the time for 45 minutes or so. The thing that bothers me about it is the - ahem - air regulator noise which occurs whenever the band takes a breather. - - - And those Dolphins - - - Gad! Uh, just in case someone is unfamiliar - the above is wholely in jest. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 4:41 am Subject: Re: Latest from C&D Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-04 12:24:54 EDT, Vincent writes: << Well, TD is my only vice >> To which I will reply with my hand-crafted oxymoron, '. . . then you must be a damned Saint.' ;-) Phil Naunton P.S. It's my only vice too, BTW. In my case it's true, however; just ask my wife. ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4850 Re: Latest from C&D Vincent Goudreault Tue 6/10/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 4:46 am Subject: HELP URGENTLY NEEDED PLEASE Really-From: jsm@f... YOUR HELP IS URGENTLY NEEDED PLEASE Dear friend, My name is Mike Chenard, and I am a student here in Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada, with another year to go before graduating with my college diploma. I am sending you this e-mail because I urgently and desperately need your HELP. The summer job opportunities for students in my community are less than adequate, and are caused by an extremely slow economic recovery from our recent recession. For every summer job available for a student, approximately 60 applications are received. I have personally submitted 87 resumes for minimum wage jobs' without even receiving a response. The total cost for my last year at the college will cost me $14,000. Without the possibility of obtaining a summer job to help me finance this cost, I will not be able to complete my last year of education. Therefore, I will not be able to fulfill my dream of graduating with a college diploma. Face with this situation, I am appealing for your help and generosity. Although my pride will suffer from this request, I need to keep my education as my priority. I am asking you (more like begging you) to help me by sending me $5, or whatever you feel you can afford, to help finance my last year at the college. I figure that your generosity plus all others who help me, will allow me to fulfill my dream of obtaining my college diploma. Please send $5 or whatever amount you feel you can afford to: Mike Chenard 337 Lark Street Thunder Bay, Ontario Canada, P7B 1P4 I wish to express my sincere thank's for your support toward my education. Please feel happy and full of pride with the knowledge that you have help a student fulfill his dream of completing his education. Let me sincerely thank you for your help. Mike Chenard Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4840 Re: HELP URGENTLY NEEDED PLEASE Sean Montgomery Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4842 Re: HELP URGENTLY NEEDED PLEASE (DJS) Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4870 Re: HELP URGENTLY NEEDED PLEASE Gabe Yedid Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4845 Re: HELP URGENTLY NEEDED PLEASE Craig R. J. Cordrey Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4861 Re: HELP URGENTLY NEEDED PLEASE Plumer, Scott Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 6:08 am Subject: Re: DVD's expensive?? Really-From: Morgan Marks At 12:40 AM 6/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > The price on the DVDs will go up substantially when the major >studios decide to support the product. Right now you can't get a significant >title spread, and it will probably stay that way until the market thickens. > There are no current releases on DVD, Huh? > and there probably won't be any of >these until it shakes out whether the medium is purchase or rental oriented. > And I don't mean Mom & Pop operations but on the Grande Scale; The Big >Vendors. Time will tell. Things _will_ change. Laserdisc still has better image quality because it isn't MPEGged (read mugged) Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 5:05 am Subject: Re: HELP URGENTLY NEEDED PLEASE Really-From: Sean Montgomery It pains me that someone who identifies themself as a fellow Canadian has sunk this low. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 5:42 am Subject: Re: Some TD at last...) Really-From: kz7l@j... (Robert A. Harris) On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:41:06 -0400 (EDT) tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) writes: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > >In a message dated 97-06-04 00:14:45 EDT, you write: > ><< > STOP EMAILING ME PEOPLE > ---- > From: tadream mailing list >> > > Err, how _do_ you E-Mail people? I thought you only could >send >messages. >Are they your own personal people when you get them? Are you still >responsible if they die or get sick? I've got some work I need done >around >here, but I want to know my levels of responsibility before I get >involved >with this. > Obviously this person is having a hard time getting the >sender to >stop sending people to her; is this a serious problem to deal with? I >don't >want the house getting filled up with unwanted people who have nothing >to do. > I suppose you can E-Mail them back but I don't know if I have the >right >equipment to do this. > > Do you think I have too much free time on my hands? Should >I seek >professional help, or is it too late? > >Phil Naunton (who needs a serious vacation) > > Maybe if you were to UUENCODE the people....although it would probably work like time travel in the T2 movies, only biologic material would pass through.... Back to my cave to lurk somemore and finish listening to tangram... Bob From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 5:51 am Subject: Re: HELP URGENTLY NEEDED PLEASE Really-From: '(DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > It pains me that someone who identifies themself as a fellow Canadian has > sunk this low. No kidding! Is this a joke or what? Hey dude who needs the money...I just used the five bucks I was gonna send you to buy an In And Out burger.....and damn it tastes fantastic! Oh, did I mention that I also got fries with that? regards, Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4870 Re: HELP URGENTLY NEEDED PLEASE Gabe Yedid Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 6:53 am Subject: Andrew Garner wishes to contact you on the ICQ Network. Really-From: ICQ Account Andrew Garner has tried to contact you on the ICQ network but was unable to do so. Therefore s/he requested to present you, on his/her behalf, with this E-mailed copy of the ICQ program, in order to enable you to communicate with him/her. Andrew Garner asked to forward to you the following: "Hi FolksJust thought I would send some details of some great chat software called ICQ. The Marillion list has alreadty adopted ICQ as it's preferred chat software and has quite a few members.If anyone does download the software perhaps you could e-mail me privately so we could get a sort of directory of tadream members establishedThanksAndy" If you have Windows 95, Windows NT 4 or Windows 3.x: Click here to download ICQ http://www.mirabilis.com/download.html Once it is installed you will be able to dial her/him easily and communicate with him/her. Please note: his Universal Internet Number (UIN) is 595115. His/her Personal ICQ World Wider Pager address is: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/595115 WHAT IS ICQ (I SEEK YOU)? The ICQ program overcame the main obstacle that prohibited the Internet from becoming a truly real-time, two way, interactive, person-to-person global communication system. The ICQ program enables you to "dial" anyone on the Net at your discretion, without having to make any prior arrangements with him or her. In fact, the recipient of the call needs only to install this program. There after, He or she will always, when on the Internet, be alerted when you are contacting him/her. The program will indicate to you, who of your list of designated frequent contacts, is logged-in at any given point in time, ready to receive Internet communications. With ICQ you can initiate communication with anyone on the Internet at anytime, be it by text, voice, graphics, video or games. You can even send entire URLs. Messages are delivered directly to the recipient's computer, without the need for downloading. If the recipient is "logged in", he or she can respond immediately and open a direct line of communication with you. If not, your message will be saved and be made available to the recipient as soon as he or she comes on line. No longer will you search in vain for friends or associates on the net. ICQ does the searching for you, alerting you in real time when they sign on, thus eliminating the need to conduct a directory search each time you want to communicate with a specific person. ICQ runs in the background and allows you to work and play on other applications while keeping track of incoming messages as well as the log-in status of your Internet associates. PAGING WORLD WIDE: Until you install the ICQ program you can still page Andrew Garner through the WWW by the ICQ World Wide Pager, using the following link: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/595115 This message will reach the person, and pop up on his/her screen, if s/he is online - immediately; if s/he is offline - as soon as he/she logs on to the Internet, wherever he/she may be. DOWNLOADING: If you wish to download our Windows 95, Winndows NT or Windows 3.x versions you can download a copy of the program or for more information regarding ICQ, see our homepage at http://www.mirabilis.com MAC, JAVA: If you wish to be informed in the future at the release of our Macintosh or Java, please click on the appropriate version. ICQ Network Administrator icq_admin@mirabilis.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4846 Re: Andrew Garner wishes Greg Heil Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Kassel concert cancelled! Really-From: Peter Ravn Hi, A sad news : the planned concert in Kassel 27.6.97 is cancelled!! On TD's web can you read: 'The gig in Kassel has been canceled because of contractual difficulties between the local promoter and the german agency. TD itself is in no way involved in this cancelation and is already starting legal steps.' Best regards, Peter Ravn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 3:38 pm Subject: Re: HELP URGENTLY NEEDED PLEASE Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' This lad is going places! Anyone who has the balls and the brass-neck to ask complete strangers to help with his education is going to be a mover and a shaker in later life. Well, only if he graduates 8-) --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 7:41 am Subject: Re: Andrew Garner wishes to contact you on the ICQ Network. Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Just thought I would send some details of some great chat software called ICQ. The Marillion list has alreadty adopted ICQ as it's preferred chat software and has quite a few members. Whoa! And I thought this was just for me! And it even came 4 minutes from the future to my mail box. Problem with ICQ is that it's always half on, half off. And only dosn't work when I'm awake. Hey Andrew! I have ICQ! Wanna chat at 1 AM in the moring!? Greg From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 3:46 pm Subject: Re: last track on Thief.... Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > >[ ... snip ... ] > And, to go with the 'old' material point > you raise, 'Thief' and 'Force Majeure' were released within 2 years of one > another; if someone takes into consideration the time a film spends in > post-production, they were thus produced at about the same time. Are you saying that the Thief music and the film were made at the same time (say around 1979/1980) and only released in 1981 after post-production? I don't want to jump down your throat if I've grabbed the wrong end of the stick, but Schmoelling was only around post-1980, and the sound (IMHO) is completely different between Thief and FM. Thief sounds more reminiscent of Froese's Stuntman, although I admit that that album was released in 1979 so maybe I've just argued myself into a hole! 8-) Anyone else got a comment on this? Have I missed your point, Vince? Am I going to ask that question about how many questions I can ask in one mailing? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 8:36 am Subject: Women and EM Really-From: John Wilson Hmm. I tried to convince my fiancee that she should come with me to one of the TD dates in November (we'll be married by then) but all I got was _permission_ to go on my own!! John W. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 3:11 pm Subject: Re: last track on Thief.... Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >I got the album 'Thief' yesterday, and I was a bit shocked when hearing >the last track on this album. The whole song was almost a sample of the >last track on 'Force Majeure', the only difference was a few more layers Weird innit but I really liked this version - I though it was just what the original needed to make an already superb album perfect. I thought they just stretched out that sequence a fraction too long with nothing much happening and the melody introduced in Thief is actually rather good. As for soundtracks and recycling, I once heard that they removed the great melody from Logos because of copyright problems - anyone know which film it appeared in? My own tape of it from the Preston gig is far better than the album because of this, even with my mate whistling like a banshee the whole time.... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 06/06/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 12:01 pm Subject: Re: Latest from C&D Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 10, 12:41am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Latest from C&D > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > > In a message dated 97-06-04 12:24:54 EDT, Vincent writes: > > << Well, TD is my only vice >> > > To which I will reply with my hand-crafted oxymoron, '. . . then > you must be a damned Saint.' ;-) > Good one! > Phil Naunton > > P.S. It's my only vice too, BTW. In my case it's true, however; just ask my > wife. ;-) In my case too, it is true! Try to find me another vice, if you dare. C.B.V.Goudreault From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 1:18 pm Subject: OR times, tangentizing and women from venus Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> OK, if no one else will do this, I will: >Here's a fill-in: > 1- marakesh 8:17 > 2-4:04 > 3-5:13 > 4-4;28 > 5-3:13 > 6-3:35 > 7-4:44 > 8-6:11 > 9-6:54 > 10-5:00 > Thanks -- Mark your welcome :-) ------------------------------------- Gabe writes: >And as for not re-using old material in new albums: >- --the melodies from _Sorcerer_ and 'Stratosfear' in _Encore_? yes, but this is really, I believe, part of a 'vintage' set or medley from the 1977 tour... So it's not really tangentizing. If we called this tangentizing, then ANY live version of a recorded song/track would have to be called tangentizing -- for example the live versions of 'Theif Yang ...' would have to be called tangentized since they are slightly different (mainly[?] faster) than the CD single version (and in this digital age there is no reason they could not have reproduced it exactly). Nevertheless, it seems quite likely to me that the impetus behind such early tangentizing as on 70-80 and on some of EF's solo comps (Steve F help me out here please) was likely to have been motivated, at least in part, by live performances and continuous experimentation and manipulation with the same material. With that in mind, I offer the following definition of 'Tangentizing' (at least how I use it): TANGENTIZING gerund, pp: 'tangentized' [from the verb 'to tangentize' derived from the Virgin box set 'Tangents']: to re-record and/or re-publish a previously released track that has been remixed, reproduced, re-edited, or changed qualitatively and significantly from the originally released version but that still retains the original title and structure. Thus soundtrack material would be 'tangentized' only if the title remained the same; otherwise it must be thought of as a different (albeit derivative) song; dance re-mixes could be called 'tangentized'; live material, however, should not be called 'tangentized' unless it is offered as an alternative version/mix of a previously released track. Thus the version of Phaedra on Three-Phase could be called a 'tangentized' track (since it is identified as 'Phaedra' on the box) whereas the bits of other tracks in Encore can not be called tangentized since there are mere 'references' within the larger whole of another track. ------------------------------------------------- Vincent writes: >I guess this 'women and TD' tread could be another >chapter in the best selling book 'Men are from Mars, Women are >from Venus'... yes, and I can just see it now, 'Men are from Berlin and Women are from France' ... cheers lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: If it Sounds Like THE KEEP, Smells Like THE KEEP . . . Really-From: Steven Feldman >Re: last track on Thief.... >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:11:56 GMT >Really-From: Paul Nagle > >As for soundtracks and recycling, I once heard that they removed the >great melody from Logos because of copyright problems - anyone know >which film it appeared in? [. . .] Now *that's* interesting! Anyways, sounds like THE KEEP (which I just saw for the third time about a month ago) to me, which definitely has music from LOGOS in it. >[. . .] My own tape of it from the Preston gig [. . .] Yeow! You mean there are versions of 'this great melody' on tape? What other shows does this melody appear on? I've got the LOGOS TYPE CD and a tape of CROYDON 1982, which have KEEP-type stuff on 'em. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4882 Re: If it Sounds Like THE KEEP, Smells Like THE K Morgan Marks Tue 6/10/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Re: Video transmission from Poland Really-From: Michal Balcerzak I'm looking for any news about the TD bradcast, but see no interest in polish media. There is no info on TD Web Site about it. If only I could catch the bradcast I'll tape it and post a massage to you. For sure! Anyway there is a big possibility that the polish radio will broadcast at least a few pieces from the concert. Anyone near the polish border can check Program Trzeci (Trojka) on thursday at 22:10 or http://apollo.radio.com.pl/trojka/realaudio/default.htm and click POSLUCHAJ TROJKI (listen to the Trójka). Regards Balcer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4892 Re: Video transmission from Poland Mark Filipak Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 1:23 pm Subject: Re: Concert Track List Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >> >The latest edition of 'Dream Collector' has a track list for >> >the European concerts 1997. >> >> Hilmar, >> for those of us who don't subscribe, would you post the set >> list on the >> mailing list? >> >> Scott >That would be very helpful for the upcoming boot?!? >Marcel Scott, Marcel: if you don't mind, I will email this information to you directly, rather than posting it here. Normally I am not very picky about complying with the 'Reprinting or Redistributing is prohibited' clause, but in the case of 'Dream Collector', I don't think it would be fair to the publishers. Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4864 Re: Concert Track List Dennis Nigbur Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Track Timings from OPTICAL RACE LP Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi All, I taped OPTICAL RACE from my copy of the record when it came out, and timed the tracks then with my wristwatch. Here are the times I got: Side 1 Side 2 Marakesh 8:17 Cat Scan 5:35 Atlas Eyes 4:04 Sun Gate 4:44 Mothers of Rain 5:13 Turning Off the Wheel 6:11 Twin Soul Tribe 4:28 The Midnight Trail 6:54 Optical Race 3:13 Ghazal (Love Song) 5:00 And before anyone asks, no, I do not as yet have OPTICAL RACE on CD. I have it soon, but soon is not now. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4984 Re: Track Timings from OPTICAL RACE LP TangerineC@a... Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 1:23 pm Subject: TD spotting... Really-From: Hilmar Kraft It had to happen sooner or later: Last night (a beautiful warm summer evening here in Berlin) I took a walk around the block with my wife and suddenly saw a group of well-known people at an outside table of some Italian restaurant. Yes, right in front of me was the Froese family, who were just having dinner as I walked past. Before anyone asks: No, I didn't go talk to them. If I was in TDs place, I probably wouldn't enjoy it too much to be interrupted by some fan while I was having dinner with my family. So...I did the polite thing and left them alone. I'm sure I am gonna bump into them again, Berlin is such a small town after all... :-) Two question this brief ecounter raised: 1. How famous is TD? With this I mean: I wonder how many people actually bother them when they are in public? 2. Could you have resisted the temptation? :-) Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4863 Re: TD spotting... Craig R. J. Cordrey Tue 6/10/1997 4 KB 4865 Re: TD spotting... Dennis Nigbur Tue 6/10/1997 3 KB 4875 Re: TD spotting... Sean Montgomery Tue 6/10/1997 3 KB 4876 Re: TD spotting... Hilmar Kraft Tue 6/10/1997 3 KB 4889 Re: TD spotting... Mark Filipak Wed 6/11/1997 3 KB 4890 Re: TD spotting... dbrewer@a... Wed 6/11/1997 3 KB 4912 Re: TD spotting... Kev Holmes Wed 6/11/1997 3 KB 4947 Re: TD spotting... GrafZeigen@a... Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB 4976 Re: TD spotting... Andy Bloyce Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 1:36 pm Subject: Re: More thoughts on Three Phase Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> I finished watching it over the weekend. I almost wanted my money back >> when the 'Phaedra' video came on. I HAVE the program they used to create >> those graphics. It's a shareware program called 'O-my-god.' Needless to >> say, I wasn't impressed. >I have a small program for called 'Dazzle' wich does exactly the same... >I wasn`t impressed either... I have Dazzle too. They're similar, but O-my-god has different wipes and the pattern variation is greater. Nice programs, these, but surely TD could do better. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 1:38 pm Subject: RE: Desert Island Revisited Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >If you could have the use of all the instruments used for ONE particular >album, fully MIDIfied so you can sequence them all, and a decent computer >that can edit multi-track for a summer (3 months), which album would you choose? I'd do Goblins Club, and get rid of that annoying 'whoa-oh' in 'Towards the Evening Star.' Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4872 Re: Desert Island Revisited Gabe Yedid Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4911 Re: Desert Island Revisited Paul Nagle Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4873 Re: Desert Island Revisited Sean Montgomery Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 1:48 pm Subject: Re: More thoughts on Three Phase Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>What made me soil my drawers was the live footage from '77! How cool! >>Edgar, if you're reading this, I would pay ANYTHING to see more of that, >>preferably with sound.The shots of the setup in Athens was pretty cool, >>as were the shots of the band walking around. >Which passage exactly is that? I don't remember the exact tune, it may have been LoaRT or Hamlet. It was near the end, I remember. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 1:53 pm Subject: VIdeo Dream Mixes Really-From: Michael A Jean Has anyone in the States found a source for this yet? MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4895 Re: VIdeo Dream Mixes Doug Pearson Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 2:09 pm Subject: RE: HELP URGENTLY NEEDED PLEASE Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >education as my priority. I am asking you (more like begging you) to help >me by sending me $5, or whatever you feel you can afford, to help finance >my last year at the college. I figure that your generosity plus all others While we're on the topic, why doesn't everyone send me money too? Let's break down what _I_ need money for: -Broken down car -Child about to enter school -Another on the way -Student loans from wife & I -New pair of dress shoes for work -Food, utilities, rent, credit cards, etc. -386-33 computer needs upgrade -Cats need de-wormed -TV needs fixed -TD fan :-) Let's see. . . Add all that up, should be about $100 per person or so. . The Give Scott a Better Life Foundation 11825 Detroit Ave. #16 Cleveland, OH 44107 USA Scott P.S. If I _do_ get any money, I'll donate it to a worthy cause: Greenpeace or the ACLU or something. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 2:27 pm Subject: Re: TD and women Really-From: Hilmar Kraft About this TD and women issue: I once did an experiment: One day, I asked my wife to devote one hour to intensively listen to TD and then to give me a description of her feelings and impressions. I already know she doesn't care much for TD, which she has to listen to only occasionally when I don't use headphones. I thus played her a selection of tracks, making sure to include the more melodic pieces rather than the more 'experimental' ones (which I know she can't stand, we once almost had a family argument only over 'Ricochet Part II'). So I played pieces from Heartbreakers, Exit, Tangram and White Eagle, Le Parc, Shy People but also included Dream Mixes, Canyon Dreams, Oasis, and a few tracks from the Seattle/Miramar vintage plus Goblins Club (I know she likes some pieces from Enigma!). This was her reaction: She actually liked the melodies that were played, some of them very much. But in the end, she complained that everything sounded 'so terribly electronic' and that this spoiled the overall listening experience so much that she couldn't understand how someone could like this music. She said: Why can't they play this music with a piano or an orchestra or so? This all sounds like kids playing an electronic organ at home. It is all so artificial and 'fake' (all of this paraphrazed by me of course). In the end, her favourite (meaning: tolerable) tracks from that session were the first piece I played: the first 5 minutes of Tangram (which was way too electronic for her but at least sounded 'interesting') and the 'Maedchen on the stairs 1997' remix, which also sounded too electronic, but at least more like 'this dance and techno stuff you hear on the radio', and thus not so 'fake'. Interestingly, she absolutely didn't like the 'White Eagle' original version of this same track, it was one of her least favourites. When asked about Enigma, she said that they were similar, but much better because they didn't sound so artificially electronic. Make of it what you will, it is probably in no way representative of how women in general feel about TD, but at least it is one statement from 'them'.. :-). Next week, she gets to listen to Kraftwerk, hehe :-) Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4874 Re: TD and women Sean Montgomery Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4886 Re: TD and women Greg Heil Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4887 Re: TD and women Sean Montgomery Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB 4893 Re: TD and women Mark Filipak Wed 6/11/1997 3 KB 4894 Re: TD and women Sean Montgomery Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4933 Re: TD and women Michael Fox Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4935 Re: TD and women Sean Montgomery Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4939 Re: TD and women Gabe Yedid Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4937 Re: TD and women GrafZeigen@a... Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 10:55 pm Subject: Re: TD spotting... Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > > Two question this brief ecounter raised: > > 1. How famous is TD? With this I mean: I wonder how many > people actually bother them when they are in public? How famous? Relative to who? Relative to me or you (I assume), they are very famous. Relative to Arnold Schwarzenegger (sp?) and Mick Jagger, small fry, I would guess. Not being German, I don't know how famous they would be in relation to other german favourites (TV stars, film stars, 'celebrities'.) There are more people in Britain that would recognise Matthew Kelly than Andy Pickford, but I guess many people in the (music) world may have an alternate view. BTW, Andy was standing in front of Lars and I in the Shepherd's Bush queue. > > 2. Could you have resisted the temptation? :-) > Probably not. Again, it all depends on how high a pedestal you place them. Dunfermline is home to Stuart Adamson, fron mn for Big Country, a failry popular band in the early and mid eighties. I see him regularly (I even drink in his pub occassionally) but don't feel any need to talk to him. As for Edgar, though, it would depend where I saw him. If he was sitting eating in Dunfermline, I probably would go and talk to him because he's likely to be on holiday or 'working'. But if I was in Berlin and I saw him, I might feel a little more restrained. His town, his life and who am I to interrupt! BTW, if I ever saw Iain Banks (the author) here in Dunfermline when we were both out of our cars, I'd love to go and talk to him. But then again, maybe that's because I feel I could have a better talk with him than Edgar. I don't understand the music creative process, don't play an instrument, am not an artist and can't speak German, so we probably wouldn't have that much in common. I imagine I would have more to say to Iain, though. Sorry, didn't mean this to turn into such a ramble. Later, --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 8:16 pm Subject: Re: Concert Track List Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:23:18 -0400 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > > >if you don't mind, I will email this information to you directly, rather >than posting it here. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 8:15 pm Subject: Re: TD spotting... Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:23:22 -0400 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >Two question this brief ecounter raised: > >1. How famous is TD? With this I mean: I wonder how many >people actually bother them when they are in public? Well, I'd certainly recognise Edgar, and someone who has seen Jerome and does _not_ recognise him afterwards must either be blind, or have been exposed to an enormous variety of extravagant hairstyles already. But to be honest, I don't know what Monique looks like. Rumours are that she was one of the ladies running the TD memorabilia stalls during the European tour, but I don't even remember what those ladies look like. But as for someone who doesn't even know TD, how _could_ they recognise them ('Look at that bloke over there, his hair looks as if he were some rock star, har har...')? I suppose football stars will have a higher chance of being recognised in public than some musicians who have resisted the temptation most of the time to put their own picture on their album covers. >2. Could you have resisted the temptation? :-) I certainly wouldn't put my picture on the cover of my albums. ;-) Seriously, yep, I'd have done exactly the same thing as you - leave them in peace. Matter of courtesy. Even backstage after the concert, Edgar seemed too magnificent and too remote for me to talk to him. Jerome's different; seems a bit more overt. Still, if they're having a family dinner, I'm sure they'd like it to remain a _family_ dinner. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 8:29 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Revisited Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Mon, 09 Jun 1997 17:50:21 -0600 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Morgan Marks > >Did I mention that after being on the island for a month with a CD-player, >plenty of food, water, and batteries, you get a special treat? > >Edgar, Jerome, Johannes, Christop, Peter and Paul show up and invite you to >dinner. Oh yes, PLEASE! I'd gladly spend more than a month on a desert island for that. And wouldn't it be fabulous if they actually played in that line-up?? >If you could have the use of all the instruments used for ONE particular >album, fully MIDIfied so you can sequence them all, and a decent computer >that can edit multi-track for a summer (3 months), which album would you choose? Livemiles. I agree that Logos is great, but as far as sounds and instruments go, my recollection tells me that Livemiles had a bit more variation. P.S.: Shame about the bagpipe sounds though. >Would you want to play on the island, or elsewhere? I'd stay on the island, where the noise wouldn't disturb anyone, and I wouldn't get embarrassed. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 3:39 pm Subject: Re: women and TD Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > When was the last time Edgar stood up, proclaimed himself Romance > > Incarnate > > Now *that* would be funny! Or better yet: 'Edgar: Lord of the Dance!' > The show begins as he emerges, his bare chest already spritzed and > glistening.....and then he proceeds to prance around the stage! > > Or maybe not. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Well, if anything, this is another thing that illustrates why TD doesn't go down well with women--TD makes no attempt to reach out the audience the way that Yanni and Tesh do, and this gives the impression of them being a very 'distant' band. Of course, we who know better know that you don't go to a TD concert to hear them ruminate about romance, or anything else. > > Sean Montgomery Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 3:41 pm Subject: Re: Timeless Space Really-From: Klaus Beschorner The original claims were 300 copies. Some are numbered, some not. Now I haven't seen any boot with a printed cover in an edition of less than 500-1000. It were certainly not more, as it vanished from the market relatively quickly. What were you expecting ? (MRC) Materials Research Corporation............a SONY company Klaus Beschorner......................EMail.:....klaus@i... Drosselweg 6..........................Tel.:.....+49-7033-45683 D-71120 Grafenau......................Mobile:.+49-171-733 8969 Germany...............................Fax.:.....+49-7033-45631 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 8:38 pm Subject: Re: Women and electronic music Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:01:03 +0100 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > >My young lady, the enegmatic Jules C is, I'm delighted to say, totally into >EM in a big way, the Tangs especially. So much so that she's taken to >helping out on keys at our live gigs. My girlfriend quite likes TD, but she hadn't really heard of them before we met. Her favourite album is 'Encore', and 'Monolight' in particular is her favourite piece. She likes the recent stuff too, but says that she misses the psychedelic and laid-back tone of the earlier albums. She's not an 'activist', though, so there's no competition for Elena... Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 3:50 pm Subject: Re: HELP URGENTLY NEEDED PLEASE Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: '(DJS)' > > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > > It pains me that someone who identifies themself as a fellow Canadian has > > sunk this low. > > > No kidding! Is this a joke or what? Hey dude who needs the money...I just > used the five bucks I was gonna send you to buy an In And Out > burger.....and damn it tastes fantastic! Oh, did I mention that I also > got fries with that? > > regards, > > Dano I wonder if this poor soul even reads the list... Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 8:41 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Disc Chart Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:13:55 GB-EIRE tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > >Okay, here it is : > >The list shows position, votes cast and album name. > >1 17 Logos >2 16 Poland >3 14 Tangram >4 13 Ricochet > Encore > Force Majeure >7 12 Phaedra > Rubycon >9 11 Dream Mixes might have to buy it after all, and have a listen... Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 3:57 pm Subject: RE: Desert Island Revisited Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >If you could have the use of all the instruments used for ONE > particular > >album, fully MIDIfied so you can sequence them all, and a decent > computer > >that can edit multi-track for a summer (3 months), which album would > you choose? > > I'd do Goblins Club, and get rid of that annoying 'whoa-oh' in 'Towards > the Evening Star.' Um...I don't recall this sound...do you mean 'Mai-Oh'? ;) For my choice, I would put lots of Exit-like patches over various Melrose tracks, and redo Exit tracks in the style of Melrose, with maybe a Dream Mixes-like drum track or 2 tossed in. *IF* I could figure out how to use all the stuff in 3 months. > Scott Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4911 Re: Desert Island Revisited Paul Nagle Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 4:13 pm Subject: RE: Desert Island Revisited Really-From: Sean Montgomery > I'd do Goblins Club, and get rid of that annoying 'whoa-oh' in 'Towards > the Evening Star.' Not a bad idea! Towards the Evening star is *this* close to being a truly interesting piece, but doesn't push far enough, and has too many 'tinkly' passages which gut its momentum. I'd like to reconstruct it in Chemical Brothers style, with intestinal-liquifying bass. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 4:16 pm Subject: Re: TD and women Really-From: Sean Montgomery > She actually liked the melodies that were played, some of them > very much. But in the end, she complained that everything > sounded 'so terribly electronic' Maybe that's all it is then. Guys like electronic toys (I admit it, I have my three remote controls lined up side-by-side on my coffee table, in typical guy fashion). And TD sure has a lot of neat toys. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 4:09 pm Subject: Re: TD spotting... Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Two question this brief ecounter raised: > > 1. How famous is TD? With this I mean: I wonder how many > people actually bother them when they are in public? Very few, I'd warrant. They've never been a 'pin-up' kind of band, followed my mobs of screaming teenagers (can anyone say 'Bush?' 'Silverchair?'). Although Linda obviously added eye candy for a while. However... > 2. Could you have resisted the temptation? :-) Yeah. I've had a chance to meet a few musicians I admired: TD, Sarah Mclachlan, Cocteau Twins, and others. And in each case I had pretty much nothing intelligent to say. I mean, you may feel a connection to these people through their music, but you don't *know* them. And especially if I saw them out as a family unit (celebrating Edgar's bithday, perhaps?), I'd leave 'em be. Although I might be tempted to wave or at least give a 'thumbs-up'. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 4:42 pm Subject: Re: TD spotting... Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 10, 9:23am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: TD spotting... > > [ text/plain > Encoded with 'quoted-printable' ] : Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > > > It had to happen sooner or later: > > Last night (a beautiful warm summer evening here in > Berlin) I took a walk around the block with my wife > and suddenly saw a group of well-known people at an > outside table of some Italian restaurant. Yes, right > in front of me was the Froese family, who were just > having dinner as I walked past. > (...) > > Two question this brief ecounter raised: > > 1. How famous is TD? With this I mean: I wonder how many > people actually bother them when they are in public? Probably very little. Did you see any crowd besieging them? > > 2. Could you have resisted the temptation? :-) Tough one. One could have ran home, picked his favorite TD CD, rush back to the restaurant, bribe the waiter and borrow his uniform, and tend the Froese family table. When the time comes to pay the bill, present them with the CD for them to autograph... Hehe! C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: OR Times: Discrepancy re Cat Scan Timing: 3:35 or 5:35? Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: OR times, tangentizing and women from venus >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:18:12 -0400 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >>Here's a fill-in: >> 1- marakesh 8:17 >> 6-3:35 >> Thanks -- Mark Hmmm... I've got 5:35 (not 3:35) for Cat Scan. Could it be that I wrote the wrong time down on my cassette case, or did Mark write down the wrong time? When I go home tonight, I'll play Cat Scan and time it and see what the deal is. In the meantime, Mark, check the running time on the OPTICAL RACE CD. I only have the OPTICAL RACE LP, so far (with the music on homemade cassette 'cause the LPs' in storage). -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5445 Re: OR Times: Discrepancy re Cat Scan Timing: 3:3 Mark Filipak Sat 6/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 5:24 pm Subject: RE: Desert Island Revisited Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Um...I don't recall this sound...do you mean 'Mai-Oh'? ;) Could be. Whatever that annoying,embarassing vocal sound is that totally ruins what is otherwise an excellent track. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 5:20 pm Subject: Re: Reuse of material in movies Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hi, that reminds me of... At Valencia, Spain there is a popular tradition. Maybe you've heard about it. Every year, the week before march 19th, there is a big festivity, and on the main street of every district in Valencia and surrounding towns they build huge sculpture groups ( some of them with more than 50 elements) all made mainly of cardboard and wood. Precisely on the evening before the 19th of march all of them are burned except one 'ninot'( so they call a single figure on a Falla), saved from fire by popular votation. This festivity is called 'Fallas' and has international recognition. Well, the artists making those statues and figures are supposed to destroy ( and ideed they do it) all sketches and previous models that lead to the final work, so every year they start form the scratch. Translating this to the making of music, I think an artist should keep this as a philosophy if he is willing to evolve. I think after you've taken all the juice of the sounds and ideas and converted this in a piece or a set of pieces of music, the artist has to break with the past and begin again from the scratch working with new sounds, looking for new rithms, finding new harmonic and melodic bits, etc. I know it's hard to do, specially if you've made a fan base and have reached some success. But this has nothing to do with marketing, but artistry, and I think those unknown valencian 'maestros' are teaching us a lesson every year when they get rid of the base work and begin again with only their hands, brains and, yes, their experience. ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 9:03 pm Subject: Re: DID Chart : Conclusions? Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:21:12 GB-EIRE tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > >1) We like the live stuff! >With the exception of Livemiles, all other live albums >appear in the top half of the chart, and three of the top >four places are held by live albums. Seems to be a common feature for all groups. I found it quite surprising when I chose my ten Desert Island Discs, how many live albums that comprised. On the other hand, with TD I think you need to consider that their live releases all contain previously unreleased material. In other words, it is actually a spontaneous (well, at least to some degree) stage performance rather than mere reproduction. I suppose that is what accounts for the fascination of TD live releases. >2) We don't like early 90s stuff! >There is no mention for Rockoon, Turn of the Tides, Tyrrany >of Beauty or Zoning. Draw your own conclusions from that! Listening to these albums (except Zoning, which I don't have) I sometimes get the impression that Jerome needed some time to develop into a full-fledged composer in his own right, whereas Edgar seemed just tired and worn out. It was at that point when I had the dreadful impression that TD seemed to be degenerating into a mere family business of keyboard players...experimentation in terms of fresh and voluminous sounds appeared to have given way to loads of layers of harpsichord samples and roaring guitar solos which made anything even vaguely exciting in the background almost obsolete. Whereas earlier line-ups had celebrated a distinctively electronic style of sequencer lines, spacey lead voices and an infinity of spherical harmonics and interjections, the guitar and sax seemed to take the lead in the early 90s, with the synthesisers retreating into the background position they commonly have in other musical styles, but certainly not in EM! In this respect, TD were actually about to completely leave electronics and experimentation behind...I'm glad that they appear to have changed directions again, and I wonder how that decision came about. >4) We don't like soundtracks! >With the exception of Thief, no other soundtrack got into >double figures. Possibly because many people don't have >many soundtracks? Or do we not like them as much as studio >albums? With the exception of 'Thief', most soundtracks tend to not even appear in official or semi-official TD discographies. Before I joined the mailing list, all the soundtracks I knew about were Thief, Sorcerer, Heartbreakers, Miracle Mile, Legend, Firestarter, Near Dark, and Canyon Dreams. I have the impression that TD don't seem to be particularly proud of their own soundtrack work (I recall Edgar saying that he got fed up with the practice of soundtrack composition at some point), and therefore decide to keep it in the background. As Edgar seems to regard TD as a project with some coherence over time, it is obvious that soundtracks hardly fit into the musical 'history' of the band, since they emerge from the needs of film directors rather than from the group itself. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 5:29 pm Subject: Overture 'V' Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Wow, I'm listening to the first minutes from a tape with Overture 'V' on it, one word *Fantastic!*. Lots of parts reminds me of the last part of Encore. Wait a minute, this is almost an exact copy of it (well actually this is the original and not the Encore one) If this goes on like this then I'm definitely dreaming. Ah, now a different part comes in. Question (maybe came up before): Is this also on CD? (boots?) I'd like to have it. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 6:52 pm Subject: Re: If it Sounds Like THE KEEP, Smells Like THE KEEP . . . Really-From: Morgan Marks At 09:16 AM 6/10/97 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > >>Re: last track on Thief.... >>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >>Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:11:56 GMT >>Really-From: Paul Nagle >> >>As for soundtracks and recycling, I once heard that they removed the >>great melody from Logos because of copyright problems - anyone know >>which film it appeared in? [. . .] > Yeow! You mean there are versions of 'this great melody' on tape? >What other shows does this melody appear on? I've got the LOGOS TYPE >CD and a tape of CROYDON 1982, which have KEEP-type stuff on 'em. You've got it the other way around. They can't release 'The Keep' soundtrack because it contains music already released on the Logos CD. Don't panic, Steve, by owning the official Logos and the Logotypes CD, you pretty much own the entire concert. I am working on editing together a true 2CD of the concert though, including all the stuff from the Logos release, all the stuff from Logotypes and the stuff from White Eagle they played just so it's in proper concert sequence, plus some other stuff from 82-83. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: The Real Reason THE KEEP Can't Be Released? Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: If it Sounds Like THE KEEP, Smells Like THE KEEP . . . >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:52:22 -0600 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Morgan Marks > >[. . .] They can't release 'The Keep' soundtrack because it contains >music already released on the Logos CD. [. . .] Are you *sure* that this is the reason THE KEEP soundtrack 'can't be' released? If this is so, why has Virgin said anything at all about this soundtrack having a possible future release? The data just doesn't jibe, here. Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4884 Re: The Real Reason THE KEEP Can't Be Released? Morgan Marks Tue 6/10/1997 3 KB 4885 Re: The Real Reason THE KEEP Can't Be Released? Vincent Goudreault Tue 6/10/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 8:50 pm Subject: Re: The Real Reason THE KEEP Can't Be Released? Really-From: Morgan Marks At 02:28 PM 6/10/97 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >>Subject: Re: If it Sounds Like THE KEEP, Smells Like THE KEEP . . . >>Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:52:22 -0600 >>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >>Really-From: Morgan Marks >> >>[. . .] They can't release 'The Keep' soundtrack because it contains >>music already released on the Logos CD. [. . .] > Are you *sure* that this is the reason THE KEEP soundtrack 'can't >be' released? If this is so, why has Virgin said anything at all about >this soundtrack having a possible future release? The data just doesn't >jibe, here. Well, it's certainly not the other way around, like the last message stated: 'The Logos CD was incomplete because the concert contained 'The Keep' music and they had to leave those parts out'. As your below .sig states, they released it and it was pulled. This is because it conflicted with the release of Logos. It's a copyright issue. Either Virgin doesn't know, doesn't care (after 15 years of letting it lay on shelves), or got paid by Edgar to allow the release. >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 8:57 pm Subject: Re: The Real Reason THE KEEP Can't Be Released? Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Sometimes I wish I was so bloody rich, I'd buy back ALL the rights to TD music (like Michael Jackson did with the Beatle's rights a few years back) and be thus able to release it all to the fans, without restriction. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 9:15 pm Subject: Re: TD and women Really-From: 'Greg Heil' >Next week, she gets to listen to Kraftwerk, hehe :-) >Hilmar ---------- No no!!!! You'll risk your marriage and everything in 20 feet of you if you do that!!! Actually, the music guy I talk to at the music shop here in town is a Kraftwerk fan as well as her wife--they both agree that 'Computerlove' is their fav. And that gawd awful--yet wonderful singing... Greg Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4887 Re: TD and women Sean Montgomery Tue 6/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 9:34 pm Subject: Re: TD and women Really-From: Sean Montgomery A female friend of mine likes Kraftwerk (even dances to them with her 3 year old son)...but she doesn't share her husband's interest in TD. Go figure. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 11:58 pm Subject: Re: WHAAAaaaa? was (Re: Some TD at last...) Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 12:41 AM 6/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... [.....] > Do you think I have too much free time on my hands? Should I seek >professional help, or is it too late? > >Phil Naunton (who needs a serious vacation) > I think that your grasp on really is becoming tenuous. I offer my services at barter prices: 2 TD boots for an hour of questionable therapy. Deal? Andrew (aka Redneck Shrink) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 10:48 pm Subject: Re: TD spotting... Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > Two question this brief ecounter raised: > > > > 1. How famous is TD? With this I mean: I wonder how many > > people actually bother them when they are in public? > > Very few, I'd warrant. They've never been a 'pin-up' kind of band, > followed my mobs of screaming teenagers (can anyone say 'Bush?' > 'Silverchair?'). Although Linda obviously added eye candy for a while. > > However... > > > 2. Could you have resisted the temptation? :-) > > Yeah. I've had a chance to meet a few musicians I admired ... And in > each case I had pretty much nothing intelligent to say. ... I might be > tempted to wave or at least give a 'thumbs-up'. Over Christmas, 1973, my parents and I were in the UK to attend a funeral. While at an Indian restaurant in London, we were seated next to Ingrid Bergman, her husband at that time, Lars Schmidt, and one of her younger daughters, Isabella or Isotta, don't know which. I smiled and nodded to them once to let them know I knew who they were and as a greeting. Nothing more. Ingrid was about 50 then and very gorgeous. Her daughter was pretty stunning too. They seemed very sublime and gracious people and my memory of the appreciative look in her eyes in response to my implied 'don't be disturbed, I'm not going to pester you for autographs' nod is more valuable to me than any autograph I could have gotten. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 11:19 pm Subject: Re: TD spotting... Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Hilmar Kraft > > 1. How famous is TD? With this I mean: I wonder how many > people actually bother them when they are in public? I don't know about in Germany, but 90% of the times I mention TD, I get a response like, 'Who are they??!' Then I go into my routine of rattling off some of their more famous film scores... > > 2. Could you have resisted the temptation? :-) > I probably would have resisted. I probably would have waved to them, tho. But then again, if I were them, I might find that strange and disturbing... If I couldn't resist, I at least wouldn't ask them for autographs. I'm one of the strange fans that aren't very interested in seeing that they can write their names properly. In fact, of the dozen or so of us waiting for them after the '92 Scottsdale, AZ show, I think I was the only one who was not interested in getting them to sign anything. I just wanted to shake the guy's hand and tell him I enjoyed the show. I did see some interesting collector items to be signed there, tho, like the Poland picture discs and Rumplestilskin posters. Dave Brewer, hoping to see TD live in '98 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: So much great TD in the past 3 days! Really-From: gyedid@P... I just had to write something about this, guys. I guess this post will serve as my opinions of _Zoning_, _Oasis_, and the '97 Tour single. First off, a very warm thanks to Chris von Toerne, who copied _Oasis_ and the single for me. (We need to get in touch, Chris, if you're reading this). I got _Zoning_ on Sunday. (Quite expensive--$30 Can, but doesn't cost to get it Statesside anymore, the exchange being so high) Except for the 2 tracks co-composed with Jerome, it could almost be Kamikaze 1996; at least, it is as good a representation of where Edgar is now, musically, as _Kamikaze 1989_ was when it came out. This is actually pretty solid stuff, most of it bearing more than a passing resemblance to material from _Beyond the Storm_--'Eyewitness News' (aka 'Descent Like a Hawk') being the most obvious example. It's somewhat less complex and more easily absorbable than _BtS_ and most recent TD; I think Phil D. put it well when he once said that Edgar alone gives the music a chance to 'breathe' more. There are a couple of tracks here that could be reworked material from the early 80s era, most notably 'Skyscraper' and 'Unfit For Consumption'; the latter would have been a stellar piece of Edgar's work were it not for that hiccup in the sequence loop which causes it to jump out of sync with the bass notes--same problem the Tangents mix of 'Love On A Real Train' had... A particular highlight, emotionally if not musically, is 'Bachelor of Crime', where Edgar's romantic side is fully to the fore. Not quite as good (but still leagues better than most of _Goblin's Club_) is 'Days of Grief and Glory', a piece very much in the same mold (and key?) as 'Dome of Yellow Turtles' and 'Magic Lantern', but it lacks a certain 'je ne sais quoi' those 2 pieces had--maybe a little more movement on the lead line? 'ML''s impassioned guitar? 'DoYT''s more layered feel? Musically, the best piece is 'The Conspiracy', a fine example of the more 'organic' style they began to bring back with _Dream Mixes_, and which is always great to hear. 'Missing Link' is the most 'synthy', a semi-techno affair with riffs reminiscent of 'Roaring Of The Bliss' (well, I *did* once ask to hear more of this type of stuff--my wish came true!). I'd have to say I'd rate _Zoning_ a solid 4AS. Hearing the original music for comparison would be interesting. I've not listened to _Oasis_ and the tour single as deeply, but here are some first thoughts. Craig Cordrey said that he thought _Oasis_ was a step back for the band. This may be true, and it may not herald the beginning of a new style. But I say that sometimes, in order to know where you're going, it's important to know where you've been. There are some moments in this music that are undoubtedly from the early 1990s--especially since so many people recognize 'Waterborne' as the '92 tour opener--but there are also some parts that are more strongly akin to newer, Dream-Mix TD (like 'Flash Flood'), as well as older, 'golden age' TD and Froese ('Zion' and 'Waterborne''s sequencers), so there are parts which I think have been more recently reworked or composed. It really does strike me as having a very different overall feel than _Rockoon_, _Quinoa_, or _220 Volt_; I was expecting a sort of 'Quinoa 2', but it's not like that at all. I think the music is much more interesting than _Canyon Dreams_. 'Hopi Mesa Heart' has got to have some of the most unusual percussion of any recent TD album. On both _Zoning_ and _Oasis_ the production (at least in terms of the cleanliness of the sound) is actually better than _Goblin's Club_ (an album which is starting to look like the Cyclone of the '90s). The tour single is really quite unlike what I was expecting. I thought they would have sped 'Maedchen' up, but instead they slowed it down! It has a very 'creamy' sound and a rather trancey, langourous(!) overall feel. Some of the synth licks remind me a great deal of 70s TD(!!) and bits of _Ages_(!!!). 'Order of the Ginger G(u)ild' is more frenetically paced (perhaps as a contrast to 'Madchen '97'), and surprisingly aggressive--I was expecting something...well, more along the lines of what 'Maedchen '97' turned out to be! It's got to be the most electronica-influenced thing they've done besides 'Quasar', and the harmonizations seem to be more characteristic of Edgar than Jerome (unless Jerome is borrowing more and more licks and tricks from his old man), with more than a couple of nods to the spirit of the early 80s Dream. Again, there's that 'organic' quality to the music, which adds to its allure, IMO. Their use of ethnic samples on this cut is more astute and well-placed than on _GC_ (maybe Jerome did them this time?), and the way they place them right at the end does help to top the piece with a ritualistic, 'cult-ish' feel. I think you can tell that overall, I quite like all this new music. I certainly hope TD is on the cusp of returning to something resembling their former heights, and I'm quite glad I'm still involved in listening to their output. cheers all, Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4920 Re: So much great TD in the past 3 days! Dennis Nigbur Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4940 Re: So much great TD in the past 3 days! Gabe Yedid Wed 6/11/1997 3 KB 4980 Re: So much great TD in the past 3 days! Dennis Nigbur Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB 4983 Re: So much great TD in the past 3 days! Gabe Yedid Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB 5000 Re: So much great TD in the past 3 days! Dennis Nigbur Fri 6/13/1997 3 KB 5011 Re: So much great TD in the past 3 days! Gabe Yedid Sat 6/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 11:09 pm Subject: Re: Video transmission from Poland Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Michal Balcerzak > > I'm looking for any news about the TD bradcast, but see no interest in > polish media. There is no info on TD Web Site about it. The TD News Ticker at the web site says that it will be broadcast during the fall on Polish TV, not simulcast during the concert. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 10, 1997 11:46 pm Subject: Re: TD and women Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > > About this TD and women issue: I once did an experiment: > > One day, I asked my wife to devote one hour to intensively > listen to TD ... > > So I played pieces from Heartbreakers, Exit, Tangram and > White Eagle, Le Parc, Shy People but also included > Dream Mixes, Canyon Dreams, Oasis, and a few tracks from > the Seattle/Miramar vintage plus Goblins Club (I know she > likes some pieces from Enigma!). > > This was her reaction: > > ... It is all so artificial and 'fake' ... > > When asked about Enigma, she said that they were similar, but > much better because they didn't sound so artificially electronic. > > Make of it what you will ... Tell her that TD is 'appropriate technology' Hilmar. I think 'unplugged' became a religion with some people. -- Mark Hmmm.... I can see the album cover now: 'Tangerine Dream, Unplugged!' Naw! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4894 Re: TD and women Sean Montgomery Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 12:21 am Subject: Re: TD and women Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Hmmm.... I can see the album cover now: 'Tangerine Dream, Unplugged!' Hey, don't laugh....I thought of this idea back in 1992, when the fad for acoustic was nearing its acme, and songs like 'Lifted Veil' were emerging on the band's albums. I doubt it would be that interesting though. TD's schtick has always been that they are technology incarnate. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 12:55 am Subject: Re: VIdeo Dream Mixes Really-From: Doug Pearson tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > Has anyone in the States found a source for this yet? > > MJ I got a copy of it on laserdisc a couple of months ago from Ken Crane's LaserDisc; http://www.kencranes.com/laserdisc -dep- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 3:17 pm Subject: Re: Unplugged (was: Re: TD and women) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' ><< The constant through all this? TD. One thing that's > always amazed me about them is how they don't follow the musical fashion > of the time. >> >id agree that they have remained steady through all this, but they havent >been trailblazers, if thats ur implication...i would say brian eno, has by In some ways, I think they _have_ been trailblazers, especially in the '70s. Now, I'm not so sure. I think they're walking along the same trail they blazed in the '70s. Alas, many of the bands that have sustained for many years have done the same: Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, the Who, etc. One thing TD has had going for them is their constant lineup change. >far eclipsed td in this regard...also, td's bow to idm (dream mixes) and >ethnic sampling (goblins ghost) may not exactly 'follow' musical fashion, but >they sure as hell listen to it... Dream Mixes I think is the exception. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4901 Re: Unplugged (was: Re: TD and women) TWeibre361@a... Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4904 Unplugged (was: Re: TD and women) Plumer, Scott Wed 6/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 11:11 pm Subject: Re: Shreeve & Sam Fox [Some TD Too] Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' I was looking through some old messages and came across this one. > Really-From: '(DJS)' > > Actually, Mark wrote and produced some songs for Samantha Fox (as well as > performed) and some of them were in fact number one hits I believe. You > hardly make someone a superstar by producing 'crap'. To say that Mark's > producing skills are bad is to say that THX sound just isn't loud enough. > You can say you dislike his music...but Mark's producing is right on > pilgrim. Did anyone see The Cook Report (ITV in Britain) over the past two weeks? He set up the daughter of a politician over here as a new 'singing star' and then used the various shady and just-plain-illegal methods available to force her single into the charts. It was quite good because I had actually seen the hoax singer in various papers and on various TV shows, thinking she was crap but just accepting her as the 'next big thing'. I suppose it just goes to prove that there are too many people influenced by what other people say is good (I suppose we all are to some extent), and so in some ways there's not really a problem - the fans get what they want (pop music by someone 'popular') and those not keen on pop just buy what they like. But I did wonder what effect such shadt dealing would have for TD. Maybe if we all went out and bought, say, ten copies of Goblin's Club (if we could find ten copies, that is) we might see TD on TV and hear them on radio? Of course, the down-side to that might be a dropping in the standard of output from our favourite band as they try and maintain their sudden ultra-popular state. Later, --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4914 Re: Shreeve & Sam Fox [Some TD Too] Greg Heil Wed 6/11/1997 3 KB 4917 Re: Shreeve & Sam Fox [Some TD Too] Jim Moore Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 10:23 pm Subject: RE: The Average TD Fan - A Desert Island Disc Chart Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Craig, if you're doing this at work, I may have to speak with your > supervisor. :-) > Or, if you _are_ the supervisor, you'll have to sack yourself. > The odd lunch-break here, an hour extra at home there. Not too much to it, really. Not as sophistocated as Armin's Fortran(?) program which read the big chart a couple of years back, though. How does the Desert Island Discs chart relate to the 'big chart' we did back then, Armin. Could you provide the top ten, say, for comparison? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4900 Re: The Average TD Fan - A Desert Island Disc Cha Vic Rek Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4903 A Tangerine Dream Sean Montgomery Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4928 Re: A Tangerine Dream Christian Wed 6/11/1997 4 KB 4932 Re: A Tangerine Dream Michael Fox Wed 6/11/1997 3 KB 4905 Re: The Average TD Fan - A Desert Island Disc Cha Plumer, Scott Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4907 The Average TD Fan - A Desert Island Disc Chart Craig R. J. Cordrey Wed 6/11/1997 4 KB 4923 Re: The Average TD Fan - A Desert Island Disc Cha Jens Peschke Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4959 Re: The Average TD Fan - A Desert Island Disc Cha Craig R. J. Cordrey Thu 6/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 1:30 pm Subject: Re: TD and only TD!! Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-05 08:57:37 EDT, you write: << the ridiculously named 'Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares'........' >> Isn't this actually 'Mystic Semblance etc. etc.' Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4925 Re: TD and only TD!! Dennis Nigbur Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4998 Re: TD and only TD!! PNaunton@a... Fri 6/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 1:54 pm Subject: RE: The Average TD Fan - A Desert Island Disc Chart Really-From: Vic Rek >Martin Fellis, Gary Cresswell and Vik Rek also had 8 of >their choices in the top ten, but get larger averageness >ratings because of their other choices. Yes, I've always considered myself to be an average TD fan - spending more on TD than on food. Vic NP: Swans - Soundtracks for the Blind From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 1:54 pm Subject: Re: Unplugged (was: Re: TD and women) Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-06-11 09:15:50 EDT, you write: << The constant through all this? TD. One thing that's always amazed me about them is how they don't follow the musical fashion of the time. >> id agree that they have remained steady through all this, but they havent been trailblazers, if thats ur implication...i would say brian eno, has by far eclipsed td in this regard...also, td's bow to idm (dream mixes) and ethnic sampling (goblins ghost) may not exactly 'follow' musical fashion, but they sure as hell listen to it... tom w np: calling all saints - compilation of releases from the all saints label with, coincidently, brian eno.... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 1:30 pm Subject: Re: DVD's expensive?? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-10 05:47:07 EDT, you write: << Laserdisc still has better image quality because it isn't MPEGged (read mugged) Morgan >> True, _but_ I've seen the Sony 7000 player and 'Mask' and 'Golden Eye' on a HD-like TV as well as a 100' projection with and without a line doubler, and a Pioneer 60' rear projection and the video quality quality is excellent. It gets to be a bit of a task when the machine starts running out of memory, and will begin to develop very small digital artifacts at that point ('lots of action' scenes) but you have to be really picky and use a magnifying glass to be critical of this. Besides this is a first generation player. Remember how awful the first CD players were, or am I dating myself? And the sound. WoW! << IMO, of course, but this is my field so I think I know what I am talking about. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 3:14 pm Subject: A Tangerine Dream Really-From: Sean Montgomery I had a weird one last night. I found myself at a TD concert, where Edgar and Jerome had on glittery purple jackets and matching top hats. It was all very theatrical, and concluded with them being carried offstage in a horsedrawn carriage. After it was over, a faceless individual approached me with a photo in their hand, which cross-dissolved into moving footage of the Froese family crossing a city street, circa 1979 (Jerome was just a little guy). What the hell does all this mean? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4928 Re: A Tangerine Dream Christian Wed 6/11/1997 4 KB 4932 Re: A Tangerine Dream Michael Fox Wed 6/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 1:03 pm Subject: Unplugged (was: Re: TD and women) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I think 'unplugged' became a religion with some people. -- Mark I don't know about that, but I think popular music styles have sort of a pendulum effect. In the '60s and '70s, pop was very organic, with lots of acoustic guitars, etc. Folk rock was popular, and the vocals/guitar/bass/drums lineup was very common. About 1973 or so, progressive rock became popular, and technology edged into music. Prog bands still used traditional instruments, but certainly weren't afraid of technology. The late '70s saw the boom of disco, which continued the use of the technology, but it also saw the rise of punk, which in many ways harkened back to original rebel roots of pop music. The '80s brought us the minimalist electronic styles of New Order and Depeche Mode, then the '90s came along, and suddenly Nirvana and Pearl Jam come out of Seattle and bring us back to the more standard rock style, for better or for worse. Now, in the late '90s, with bands like Chemical Brothers, the Orb and others, I think we're seeing a resurgence of tecnology in musc. The constant through all this? TD. One thing that's always amazed me about them is how they don't follow the musical fashion of the time. I'll leave that for a later post. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 12:49 pm Subject: RE: The Average TD Fan - A Desert Island Disc Chart Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Martin Fellis, Gary Cresswell and Vik Rek also had 8 of >their choices in the top ten, but get larger averageness >ratings because of their other choices. Craig, if you're doing this at work, I may have to speak with your supervisor. :-) Or, if you _are_ the supervisor, you'll have to sack yourself. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 12:26 pm Subject: Oasis Really-From: pjv@a... (Phil Vendy) If Flashflood isn't the sharpest, cleanest, richest sounding, groovingest gas that's come out of my Walkman headset this side of Woodstock, my rechargeables are dud. I LOVE this album. #(*%&(*&% @!)_(*$^(()* #(*#(%%()() $#+_@(%$*% (#&* .................... !^%@$#^%@$^%^@% !@&^%# (Lyrics to Tangram - now transcribing Firetongues) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4926 Re: Oasis Jens Peschke Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 5088 Re: Oasis Hilmar Kraft Tue 6/17/1997 2 KB 5098 Re: Oasis Sean Montgomery Tue 6/17/1997 2 KB 8447 Oasis Rich Maggio Thu 11/6/1997 4 KB 9135 Oasis neil vanlaten Fri 11/28/1997 3 KB 9149 Re: Oasis Francisco Salgado C. Sat 11/29/1997 3 KB 9162 Re: Oasis matt knudson Sat 11/29/1997 2 KB 9209 Re: Oasis John Von Pey Mon 12/1/1997 3 KB 9658 Oasis Michael Fox Fri 12/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 7:59 pm Subject: The Average TD Fan - A Desert Island Disc Chart Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' The list below rates the contributers to the recent Desert Island Disc Chart in a sort of 'averageness'. This is just for fun, and is neither mathematically very correct nor meant to be insulting anyone. I totalled the position in the chart of each album selected by the contributors and averaged them over the number of 'legitimate' albums identified. For example, if someone had nominated the ten albums which ended up as the top ten in the chart, then his marks would be (1+2+3+4+4+4+7+7+9+10) / 10 = 5.1 Someone who selected the bottom ten albums would have (31+31+31+38+38+38+38+38+38+38) / 10 = 35.9 As I said, not very mathematic, but hopefully fun. So here they are - who average are you? 1 6.8 Ian Shillingford (only nominated 6 titles, though) 2 7.3 Mark Jones 3 8.2 Martin Fellis 4 8.7 Grant Middleton 5 8.9 Morgan Feldon 6 9.2 Rich Maggio 7 9.5 Vik Rek 8 10.1 Aslan Fan Phil D. 10 10.7 Kent E. 11 10.8 Gary Cresswell 12 11.1 Gabe Yedid Steve McCready Stephan Bischoff 15 11.7 Jens Peschke 16 12.2 Mark Filipak Sean Montgomerie 18 12.9 Dennis Nigbur Scott Plumer 20 13.5 Antonio Nunes 21 13.8 Graf Zeigen Craig Cordrey 23 14.0 Steven Feldman 24 15.4 Brian Kirby 25 15.6 Kenneth Beal 26 16.4 Dano 27 17.8 Maxwell Croy 28 17.9 Marcelo G. 29 18.7 Brian Sphar So, in my estimation, Mark Jones is the AVERAGE TD FAN, having 8 of his nominated 10 albums end in the overall top ten! Well done Mark (?) Martin Fellis, Gary Cresswell and Vik Rek also had 8 of their choices in the top ten, but get larger averageness ratings because of their other choices. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 7:39 pm Subject: CD's for sale??? Really-From: Trainspotter Hello, is there anybody who has CDs Shepherd Bush, CD 1997 Tour Single, and/or the music from TV Series Tatort for sale, even if a re-burned copy? Thank you for responses, Richard Bilek, agray@v... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 9:48 am Subject: Re: Desert Island Revisited Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > >> I'd do Goblins Club, and get rid of that annoying 'whoa-oh' in 'Towards > >> the Evening Star.' > >Um...I don't recall this sound...do you mean 'Mai-Oh'? ;) > Was that the first track? I thought it was 'Waa-Lum'... probably > something they found in a sample library, having exhausted Morpheus > presets by now... > 8-) > Paul I always took the enjoyment in thinking this sound was the pronuciation of my last name -Heil. It's a German last name meaning wave or hail (like a cab) Wouldn't know why they would put that in there.. same sound as the last track in Turn of the Tides! (just a different person singing it) Although in TTES.. it's kinda like 'My Love' then.. 'I love you (somthing)' Maybe it's 'Smile' but then that's kinda cheesy because the voice is um.. masculine? See! Edgar and son are the romantic type! hee hee Even the voices in 'After the Call' are saying 'I Love You' if played through 5 watt computer speakers without any bass--you can hear it. 'My love.. My love...My Love...Smile!... hi ahhhhhh!' 'I...love.... you egg (maybe -Greg- hee hee)... I... love.... you.. banegga' Then again.. maybe they're all 'smile's?' I dunno.. =o) Aren't these wonderful lyrics! Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 9:03 am Subject: Famous TD?? Really-From: ashok prema >>Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >>It had to happen sooner or later: >>Last night (a beautiful warm summer evening here in >>Berlin) I took a walk around the block with my wife >>d suddenly saw a group of well-known people at an >>outside table of some Italian restaurant. Yes, right >>in front of me was the Froese family, who were just >>having dinner as I walked past. >>Before anyone asks: No, I didn't go talk to them. If I was in >>TDs place, I probably wouldn't enjoy it too much to be >>interrupted by some fan while I was having dinner with my >>family. = >>So...I did the polite thing and left them alone. I'm sure I >>am gonna bump into them again, Berlin is such a small = >>town after all... :-) = >>Two question this brief ecounter raised: = >>1. How famous is TD? With this I mean: I wonder how many people actually bother them when they are in public? >>2. Could you have resisted the temptation? :-) >>Hilmar The fact is that all members of TD could always walk through Berlin and not get any recognition in general terms - when the Berlin wall came down, my wife and I had the pleasure of being shown around Berlin by Chris - and I thought at the very least someone would have shouted out something like 'Hi Chris' or stared at this 'celebrity'. In fact, after meeting us as the airport, we walked through the town, through the shopping precint, ate at a restaurant, and generally sightsaw (??) for the best part of the afternon........reaction from the public?? ZERO!!!! Lets face it, Chris has a distinctive look about him - and should be recognised by anyone who knew TD - but this was not the case. I think it's back to what the band have always said - they are not popular/famous in their own country/home town. Probably just as well since they have never come across as wanting to be mobbed by fans! Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 3:11 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Revisited Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >> I'd do Goblins Club, and get rid of that annoying 'whoa-oh' in 'Towards >> the Evening Star.' >Um...I don't recall this sound...do you mean 'Mai-Oh'? ;) Was that the first track? I thought it was 'Waa-Lum'... probably something they found in a sample library, having exhausted Morpheus presets by now... 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 06/06/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 8:18 am Subject: Re: TD spotting... Really-From: Kev Holmes tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > > 2. Could you have resisted the temptation? :-) > I'd probably have come to an arrangement with the restaurant's owners to anonymously pick up the tab for the meal... > Hilmar Cheers, Kev -- | Kev Holmes | email: kholmes@p... | | Technical Account Manager | | | Pure Atria | Mobile: +44 (0)385 307337 | | CW House, | Direct: +44 (0)1344 462533 | | Cookham Road, | Office: +44 (0)1344 462500 | | Bracknell | Fax: +44 (0)1344 462501 | | Berkshire, UK RG12 1RR | URL: http://www.pureatria.com | From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 10:35 pm Subject: 'Kamikaze 1989' on TV today (Germany) Really-From: 'Jens Kilian' 'Kamikaze 1989' will run this evening (Wed. June 11th) on 3sat. I didn't note the time - check your local TV preview. Greetings, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-14-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) fax:+49-7031-14-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 4:38 pm Subject: Re: Shreeve & Sam Fox [Some TD Too] Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > But I did wonder what effect such shadt dealing would have > for TD. Maybe if we all went out and bought, say, ten > copies of Goblin's Club (if we could find ten copies, that > is) we might see TD on TV and hear them on radio? Of > course, the down-side to that might be a dropping in the > standard of output from our favourite band as they try and > maintain their sudden ultra-popular state. Well, the shorter tracks on Goblins Clubare there for a reason.. hopeful radio play. The lastest incarnation of so called 'radio edits' appearing on TD on a few TD albums are really the peak of commercialism--a song just created for use on radio? Popularity does strange things, although never affecting TD too much, I do think they could be suseptible to the syndrome of creating and repeating what was labeled popular. I personally think if TD does another album like the Dream Mixes, Edgar would be eating his words about doing for the artist, not the fans. But yeah, if we each bought ten copies of GC, We might forever hear that woman go 'Saddam Saddam' (or at least that's what it sounds like) and the choir boys and girls singing alongside Pierica playing elec. guitar and Jerome playing the gizmo (whatever that is) and of course Edgar playing his Celestrial Harp (sichord). Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 4:59 pm Subject: Ahem... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Really-From: Sean Montgomery >Now *that* would be funny! Or better yet: 'Edgar: Lord of the Dance!' >The show begins as he emerges, his bare chest already spritzed and >glistening.....and then he proceeds to prance around the stage! Errr...this says more about the Sean than we really ought to know... Ahem. Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4924 Re: Ahem... Sean Montgomery Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 6:15 pm Subject: Checkin' Out Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' Its time for me to take off guys. School is out and I'm going home. For any of those who NEED to contact me, e-mail here: tlcimage@w... Put 'Maxwell' in the subject header. Meatime, I'll attempt to get a new e-mail address during the summer and I'll rejoin the list as soon as I do.... Its been great so far. -Maxwell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 5:24 pm Subject: RE: Shreeve & Sam Fox [Some TD Too] Really-From: Jim Moore > But yeah, if we each bought ten copies of GC, >We might forever hear that woman go 'Saddam Saddam' >(or at least that's what it sounds like) 'Saddam... Saddam... Check your BVD's!' (BVD's are a brand of underwear in the States...) - jimbo 'This is the preachiest book I've ever read! Everyone's a sinner... Except for this one guy...' Homer Simpson on the Bible James F. Moore -- jimbo@v... -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA Jimbo's Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 10:27 pm Subject: D: Oasis Really-From: Dennis Nigbur God, I've been looking forward to the Open Discussion week... - OASIS - (1) Flashflood - 5AS What I initially found remarkable was the slow build-up to this track. Why do contemporary TD seem to need video footage (i.e. the 'Oasis' pictures) to guide the listeners into their pieces in such a nice and smooth, laid-back way? With the possible exception of 'Sad Merlins Sunday' on 'Goblins Club', this is the most amazing intro I've heard from them since about ten years ago! After about three minutes, the track really gets going, but still in a rather mellow way. A rather nice lead synth, some well-arranged arpeggios...I can see absolutely nothing to criticise about this piece. (2) Zion - 4AS Reminds me quite strongly of vintage TD, with the familiar-sounding sequencer line starting after about one minute...where have I heard this before? Initially, I liked this track even better than the first one, but I must admit that the lead voice is hardly very inventive... still an excellent track with a distinctively 'flowing' nature. (3) Reflections - 2AS I was a little bit disappointed with this one. The intro is nice but built upon only two sounds, and I find the sequencer line rather disturbing - as well as the strange piano-like sound that sets in after about three minutes. I preferred the oboe-ish lead voice that was prevalent before that. Overall, nowhere near as good as the first two songs. (4) Cliff Dwellers - 3AS A bit more variation in the lead sound would have done this piece some good, but the rest is fine...the percussive effects and bakground voices all support the idea of a bizarre and fascinating journey across what has remained of some ancient culture. My favourite bit is the break about three minutes into the song. Not bad at all. (5) Waterborne - 5AS If they ever released a single from this album, I'm sure this would be it. Structurally, I think this composition is the best I've heard from TD in ages (it is as complex as some of the 'Goblins Club' stuff, but assumes a more adequate, slower pace). During the current European tour, I've seen them on stage with Zlatko playing lead guitar on this song - I liked that version, but it's difficult to say which one is better...both are quite close to perfect. (6) Cedar Breaks - 3AS I _like_ this piece. I agree that the extremely voluminous string sound appears unnecessarily pompous, and some of the breaks seem out of place. But the way I look at it, this composition seems to be influenced by things that TD used to do during the Baumann years, and subsequently seemed to forget about...imagine this melody played on a flute - get the idea?? A very peaceful, intricate melody that would, however, been better off if it had been played in a more appropriate sound. Shame, really. (7) Summer Storm - 5AS The opening few notes actually remind me of the beginning of 'Rubycon', with each note standing more or less on its own, detached from everything else. The first careful melody line certainly has something idyllic to it, and the sequencer line (which reminds me of a railway train that just starts moving) only gently gets things going. Preceded by some flute-like interjections, this blends into something which you could quite appropriately call a sound cluster, or one of the 'implicit melodies' that have been discussed on the list a while ago, before the melody itself starts. The end of the track with the driving drums and the thunderstorm sounds is particularly powerful and atmospheric (and elevates the piece into the 5AS zone), although the conclusion seems too abrupt to end such a beautiful piece. (8) Hopi Mesa Heart - 2AS I'm afraid this doesn't do much for me at all. The sounds and effects in the intro don't seem to say hello to each other (if you know what I mean), and the mysterious atmosphere of the melody line could have been complimented by a bit more harmonic and dynamic substance. The percussion, I suppose, is the most interesting bit here. In my view, 'Summer Storm' was the perfect conclusion to the album, this is a bonus track I could well do without. On the whole, that leaves us with 3.6 - It seems adequate to me to round that up to 4AS, bearing in mind that the last track should not really exist... an excellent album, in my opinion. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4956 Re: D: Oasis Gabe Yedid Thu 6/12/1997 9 KB 5002 Re: D: Oasis Dennis Nigbur Fri 6/13/1997 3 KB 11276 D: Oasis Lawry Simm Sun 2/22/1998 6 KB 11280 Re: D: Oasis feldon@p... Sun 2/22/1998 4 KB 11298 Re: Oasis Jim Moore Sun 2/22/1998 3 KB 11309 Re: Oasis Mark Jones Mon 2/23/1998 6 KB 11351 Re: D: Oasis Dennis Nigbur Tue 2/24/1998 4 KB 11355 Re: D: Oasis Sean Montgomery Tue 2/24/1998 3 KB 11383 Re: D: Oasis feldon@p... Wed 2/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 7:00 pm Subject: I'm Back Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' Well, I'm back already. I have a problem, every time I send a request to unsubscribe from the list, majordomo says I'm not even a member. Could someone please help? Danka, Maxwell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 10:52 pm Subject: Re: So much great TD in the past 3 days! Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Tue, 10 Jun 97 19:30:00 -0500 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: gyedid@P... >_Zoning_ and _Oasis_ the production (at least in terms of the cleanliness of the >sound) is actually better than _Goblin's Club_ (an album which is starting to >look like the Cyclone of the '90s). If you're referring to the controversy that centres around both these albums, yes. But as with 'Cyclone', I disagree very strongly to the notion that the album might be a 'dead end' in TD's style, or an unsatisfactory experiment. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4940 Re: So much great TD in the past 3 days! Gabe Yedid Wed 6/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 10:46 pm Subject: Quinoa in Computer CD Drives Really-From: Dennis Nigbur Can anyone imagine why the CD drive in the university computer I'm using at the moment recognises Oasis, but not Quinoa, as playable audio CDs?? Oh well, my D:Quinoa contribution will have to wait, then... Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4965 Re: Quinoa in Computer CD Drives anunes@m... Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 10:56 pm Subject: Re: TD Unplugged?? (was: TD and women) Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:46:33 -0700 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >I think 'unplugged' became a religion with some people. -- Mark > >Hmmm.... I can see the album cover now: 'Tangerine Dream, Unplugged!' > > > > >Naw! I agree with you, Mark. Remember those punk freaks I emailed you about? I have the impression that some people tend to mix up the 'unplugged' label with the (unfortunately) ever-present term of 'real' or 'hand-made' music. I still wonder what the qualitative difference between someone striking a few strings on a guitar and someone hitting keys on the keyboards actually is. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4930 Re: TD Unplugged?? (was: TD and women) Plumer, Scott Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4979 Re: TD Unplugged?? (was: TD and women) Dennis Nigbur Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB 4981 Re: TD Unplugged?? (was: TD and women) Plumer, Scott Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 6:06 pm Subject: Re: The Average TD Fan - A Desert Island Disc Chart Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Thanks Craig, it was such a pleasure :) You are the Mr. Poll, aren´t you ? Jens PS: I´m waiting for your next upcoming poll ! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 6:00 pm Subject: Re: Ahem... Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >Now *that* would be funny! Or better yet: 'Edgar: Lord of the Dance!' > Errr...this says more about the Sean than we really ought to know... Ahem. But you already knew I was a smart-ass...n'est-ce pas? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 11:09 pm Subject: Re: TD and only TD!! Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:30:32 -0400 (EDT) tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > >In a message dated 97-06-05 08:57:37 EDT, you write: > ><< the ridiculously named 'Semblance at the Strand of > Nightmares'........' >> > > Isn't this actually 'Mystic Semblance etc. etc.' > >Phil Naunton 'Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares', to be pedantic. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 6:26 pm Subject: Re: Oasis Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: pjv@a... (Phil Vendy) > > > If Flashflood isn't the sharpest, cleanest, richest sounding, groovingest > gas that's come out of my Walkman headset this side of Woodstock, my > rechargeables are dud. > > I LOVE this album. I second that - OASIS entered my pers. top-ten TD chart -> see Mr. Poll´s - eh Craig´s desert island poll result :) Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 6:27 pm Subject: Dream Collector - Picture with Edgar Really-From: Vic Rek Can somebody identify all the beer drinking fans pictured with Edgar on page 9 of the latest issue of Dream Collector? I know their names are mentioned on page 10, but I'd like to have a left to right identification so I can picture the faces with the names... You never know when you may run into one? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 8:58 pm Subject: Re: A Tangerine Dream Really-From: 'Christian' > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > I had a weird one last night. I found myself at a TD concert, where Edgar > and Jerome had on glittery purple jackets and matching top hats. It was > all very theatrical, and concluded with them being carried offstage in a > horsedrawn carriage. After it was over, a faceless individual approached > me with a photo in their hand, which cross-dissolved into moving footage > of the Froese family crossing a city street, circa 1979 (Jerome was just a > little guy). What the hell does all this mean? > This means: don't think too much about TD and all the stuff around them during daytime - you will have more pleasant dreams then in the night ! I have been a TDreamer for about 15 years now, fortunately I have never dreamed something like that - the music is the real thing, and I can really let my phantasy produce pictures and landscapes in my imagination when I listen to it. One reason for my 'fidelity' is that neither Edgar nor any other member of the band has ever tried to put himself in the centre of his project. Christian (on the list for 2 days now - I had not expected _that_ much messages per day !) --------------------------------------------------------------- panta rhei ------- __o __o __o ---------_ \<,_ _ \<,_ _ \<,_ -------- (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) Christian Mueck-Lichtenfeld Institut fuer Organische Chemie der Justus-Liebig-Universitaet Heinrich-Buff-Ring 58 D-35392 Giessen Germany Tel: (+49) 0641-99-34343 email: christian.mueck-lichtenfeld@o... --------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 8:58 pm Subject: Kassel concert Really-From: 'Christian' Hi, to all TD fans from Germany: I was very disappointed about the cancellation of the Kassel concert, due to be held on June 27th. Has anybody out there more information about the reason ? Will there be any other concert in Germany this year ? --------------------------------------------------------------- panta rhei ------- __o __o __o ---------_ \<,_ _ \<,_ _ \<,_ -------- (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) Christian Mueck-Lichtenfeld Institut fuer Organische Chemie der Justus-Liebig-Universitaet Heinrich-Buff-Ring 58 D-35392 Giessen Germany Tel: (+49) 0641-99-34343 email: christian.mueck-lichtenfeld@o... --------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 7:04 pm Subject: Re: TD Unplugged?? (was: TD and women) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I agree with you, Mark. Remember those punk freaks I emailed you about? I >have the impression that some people tend to mix up the 'unplugged' label >with the (unfortunately) ever-present term of 'real' or 'hand-made' music. I >still wonder what the qualitative difference between someone striking a few >strings on a guitar and someone hitting keys on the keyboards actually is. I often argue about the merits of electronic music with a friend of mine who listens to nothing but jazz. My argument is this: Is a writer any less of a writer because he or she uses a word processor? What matters is the finished product, not the means by which it is reached. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 7:08 pm Subject: A question I should know the answer to Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' but don't. How do I get a copy of the FAQ? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4938 Re: A question I should know the answer to Mark Filipak Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 2:08 pm Subject: Re: A Tangerine Dream Really-From: Michael Fox At 11:14 AM 6/11/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > >I had a weird one last night. I found myself at a TD concert, where Edgar >and Jerome had on glittery purple jackets and matching top hats. It was >all very theatrical, and concluded with them being carried offstage in a >horsedrawn carriage. After it was over, a faceless individual approached >me with a photo in their hand, which cross-dissolved into moving footage >of the Froese family crossing a city street, circa 1979 (Jerome was just a >little guy). What the hell does all this mean? > > > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR > http://www.topix.com/~sean > >'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' > Well, Sean, I'd ask if Welsh Rabbit was on the menu that evening....... Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 2:06 pm Subject: Re: TD and women Really-From: Michael Fox >>>Next week, she gets to listen to Kraftwerk, hehe :-) > >Hilmar<<< 'Hi, my name is Hilmar and I made my wife listen to Kraftwerk. If you can send $5 each it will help pay the legal fees I have regarding our separation and divorce.' (Just kidding, Hilmar) Mike > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4935 Re: TD and women Sean Montgomery Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4939 Re: TD and women Gabe Yedid Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Almost-Classics: 'Mothers of Rain' & 'Summer Storm' Really-From: Steven Feldman You know, it's really frustrating when ol' Edgar composes a great tune that comes just shy of being a classic. Witness 'Mothers of Rain,' from the OPTICAL RACE album: the opening, percussionless interlude goes on too long. Witness 'Logos, Pt. 2,' with its cutesy jazz section right before the humongous powercord ending comes in. And now witness the buildup in 'Summer Storm' that rather than builds to a crescendo, builds to a great riff and then inexplicably dies a whimpering death with an ending of aimless noodling . . . like the way 'Underwater Twilight' ends just when it starts to get good and TURN OF THE TIDES' 'Twilight Brigade' --which, otherwise, is an all-time high watermark--peters out with over- bearing Perica pyrotechnics that are as gratuitous and irrelevant as those on 220 VOLT LIVE's 'Homeless.' (Odd how the only two TD songs with the word 'twilight' in them get mentioned at the same time, here.) I nominate 'Towards the Evening Star' as an All-Time Classic, by the way, for those who wonder just what the heck I consider so all-fired terrific. Ditto 'Rough Embrace' from THE DREAM MIXES and 'Catwalk' from TYRANNY OF BEAUTY. So where does that place TURN OF THE TIDES' bonus single, 'Story of the Brave'? Somewhere in between 'Mothers of Rain' and 'Touchwood' from the much-maligned ROCKOON--both of which are All-Time Classics, IMHO-- I'd say. If 'Summer Storm' had the sustained power that 'Touchwood' had--or the chops that MELROSE's 'Dolls in the Shadow' had--I'd be downright ecstatic. For now, though, it's 'Order of the Ginger Gild' (the bonus track from the Das Madchen auf der Treppe 1997 CD) that gets *my* motor running! ;) :) Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Emdreams, CNI News, Contact ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Forum, _PEER_ Perspectives, ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ the Nausicaa list, Tadream, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ & Hong Kong Film Connection ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: sfeldman@w... ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 7:29 pm Subject: Re: TD and women Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Next week, she gets to listen to Kraftwerk, hehe :-) BOING Ping Boom-Tschuk chuk-a chuk-a Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4939 Re: TD and women Gabe Yedid Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 8:37 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Revisited Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-06-10 12:09:21 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >If you could have the use of all the instruments used for ONE > particular > >album, fully MIDIfied so you can sequence them all, and a decent > computer > >that can edit multi-track for a summer (3 months), which album would > you choose? I would choose Phaedra - just for the mellotron. I really, really want one! Graf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4941 Re: Desert Island Revisited Antonio Nunes Wed 6/11/1997 2 KB 4950 Re: Desert Island Revisited PNaunton@a... Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB 4954 Re: Desert Island Revisited Gabe Yedid Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB 4971 Re: Desert Island Revisited Plumer, Scott Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 8:47 pm Subject: Re: TD and women Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... My wife seems to like TD. She is originally from the Philippines (now U.S.), this could be the difference since I have never met an American woman who liked TD. I don't think she was familiar with them before she met me, though. Constantly being bombarded with it (since I am always playing TD while working) she has commented that 'this' or 'that' was very pretty! Once I was playing something she hadn't heard before and asked if it was a new piece I had composed. Although flattered, I could only say 'I wish'! Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 8:36 pm Subject: Re: A question I should know the answer to Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > but don't. > > How do I get a copy of the FAQ? > > Scott Are the archives still up and running? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 9:47 pm Subject: Re: TD and women Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > Next week, she gets to listen to Kraftwerk, hehe :-) > > BOING > Ping > Boom-Tschuk > chuk-a chuk-a > Is she programmed just to do / Anything you want her to? (Read into that whatever you like >-P) > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 9:56 pm Subject: Re: So much great TD in the past 3 days! Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > > On Tue, 10 Jun 97 19:30:00 -0500 tadream mailing list > wrote: > >Really-From: gyedid@P... > > >_Zoning_ and _Oasis_ the production (at least in terms of the cleanliness > of the > >sound) is actually better than _Goblin's Club_ (an album which is starting > to > >look like the Cyclone of the '90s). > > If you're referring to the controversy that centres around both these albums, > yes. But as with 'Cyclone', I disagree very strongly to the notion that the > album might be a 'dead end' in TD's style, or an unsatisfactory experiment. > > Dennis Well, I suppose we will just have to wait and see. My own guess is that 'Order of the Ginger G(u)ild' is pointing the way to TD's future. Note that they are playing only 2 pieces from _GC_ on the current tour, and the ones most strongly akin to the electronica-oriented stuff: 'Towards the Evening Star' and 'Lamb With Radar Eyes'. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 5:42 am Subject: Re: Desert Island Revisited Really-From: Antonio Nunes Morgan Marks wrote: > If you could have the use of all the instruments used for ONE > particular > album, fully MIDIfied so you can sequence them all, and a decent > computer > that can edit multi-track for a summer (3 months), which album would > you choose? I'd choose Goblin's Club also, to get rid of that irritating 'whoa-oh' or 'Mai-Oh' or 'Poirot' or whatever in 'Towards the Evening Star'. I'd also add some bridges to link the different tracks, just like in the live performances. Of course I would spend the first 2 months just reading the manuals! Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 10:12 pm Subject: Music from HEAT Really-From: Mark Kosten As we all know the director Michael Mann has a penchant for Tangerine Dream and similar music. I noticed quite a bit of music in his last film HEAT was very TD like. The end credits listed a lot of stuff from William Orbit plus some others. Does anyone know anything about William Orbit and his music? I haven't seen him in my usual CD stores (mind you they are becoming more mainstream and less useful to me in the last year or two). Mark Kosten Network Manager La Trobe University Australia Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4945 Re: Music from HEAT Sean Montgomery Thu 6/12/1997 3 KB 4948 Re: Music from HEAT Ken Beal Thu 6/12/1997 3 KB 4967 Re: Music from HEAT TWeibre361@a... Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 10:34 pm Subject: Famous sightings Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all, >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' >There are more people in Britain that would >recognise Matthew Kelly than Andy Pickford, but I guess >many people in the (music) world may have an alternate >view. BTW, Andy was standing in front of Lars and I in the >Shepherd's Bush queue. Craig! Then you were standing next to me and Ash plus our young ladies! Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4960 Re: Famous sightings Craig R. J. Cordrey Thu 6/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 10:34 pm Subject: Re-mixing... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello All, >For my choice, I would put lots of Exit-like patches over various Melrose >tracks, and redo Exit tracks in the style of Melrose, with maybe a Dream >Mixes-like drum track or 2 tossed in. I would simply place a copy of 'Zoning' on the kitchen floor, take my knackered old Yahama DX5 and lift it to a height of roughly six inches above the disk. Then, with a suitable fanfare played on those keyboards that didn't go 'Phut' ten minutes before our first and most important concert ever, release said master keyboard and use the power of gravity to radically 're-work' the whole of 'Zoning' in one quick, neat, slick operation. Hope this doesn't offend those that like 'Zoning'... too much tee hee! Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : CD artwork Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4946 Re: Re-mixing... Sean Montgomery Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 10:45 pm Subject: Re: Music from HEAT Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Does anyone know anything about William Orbit and his music? Aha! I posted a message a month back or so that encouraged fans of 'Dream Mixes' TD to check out the work of William Orbit. He's been around for a while, but his work really got interesting for me with the third of his 'Strange Cargo' series. It's glossier and more conventionally dance music-like than TD, but at the same time this avoids the 'jumping around within a song' syndrome so apparent on Goblin's Club. Orbit's background is as a producer, and he certainly knows how to construct a solid song. Vocals are used sparingly, and very pleasant when used...sort of like 'Smile', but done much better (in my opinion). Check out Strange Cargo III or Hinterland if you can get a hold of them. There's an Orbit page at http://espresso.ucsd.edu/~masciana/wo.html You may also have been hearing songs by Michael Brook or Brian Eno during the film. Great soundtrack. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4948 Re: Music from HEAT Ken Beal Thu 6/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 10:47 pm Subject: Re: Re-mixing... Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Then (snip) release said master keyboard and use the power of gravity to > radically 're-work' the whole of 'Zoning' in one quick, neat, slick > operation. Come on, Dave....don't hold back; tell us how you *really* feel. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 11, 1997 11:47 pm Subject: Re: TD spotting... Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-06-11 06:19:37 EDT, you write: << > 2. Could you have resisted the temptation? :-) > I'd probably have come to an arrangement with the restaurant's owners to anonymously pick up the tab for the meal... >> I was thinking along the same lines. I would have noticed what they were drinking and just tipped the server to deliver another bottle, pint, boot or whatever - with a note written on a napkin thanking them for their music and wishing Edgar a happy birthday! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 12:00 am Subject: Re: Music from HEAT Really-From: Ken Beal > >> Does anyone know anything about William Orbit and his music? > >Aha! I posted a message a month back or so that encouraged fans of 'Dream >Mixes' TD to check out the work of William Orbit. He's been around for a >while, but his work really got interesting for me with the third of his >'Strange Cargo' series. It's glossier and more conventionally dance >music-like than TD, but at the same time this avoids the 'jumping around >within a song' syndrome so apparent on Goblin's Club. Orbit's >background is as a producer, and he certainly knows how to construct >a solid song. Vocals are used sparingly, and very pleasant when >used...sort of like 'Smile', but done much better (in my opinion). Check >out Strange Cargo III or Hinterland if you can get a hold of them. > I have Strange Cargo I, II, & III for sale, should anyone be interested. Ken Beal From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 12:16 am Subject: Re: A Tangerine Dream Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-06-11 12:16:50 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Sean Montgomery << I had a weird one last night. I found myself at a TD concert, where Edgar and Jerome had on glittery purple jackets and matching top hats. It was all very theatrical, and concluded with them being carried offstage in a horsedrawn carriage. After it was over, a faceless individual approached me with a photo in their hand, which cross-dissolved into moving footage of the Froese family crossing a city street, circa 1979 (Jerome was just a little guy). What the hell does all this mean?> Have you been listening to 'Pictures at an Exhibition' from Turn Of The Tides, lately? Hey, Dr. Rozsa - I think you've got another one! :-D Graf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4951 Re: A Tangerine Dream Sean Montgomery Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB 4963 Re: A Tangerine Dream Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 6/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 12:17 am Subject: Re: Desert Island Revisited Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-10 13:32:05 EDT, you write: << >Um...I don't recall this sound...do you mean 'Mai-Oh'? ;) Could be. Whatever that annoying,embarassing vocal sound is that totally ruins what is otherwise an excellent track. Scott >> Oh, puh-lease, this is just another preset 'voice' like so many others. I find it rather 'expanding', and interesting that TD is exploring other types of sounds to fill out the mix of voicings in their recordings. Sometimes it is refreshing to hear some human aspect sounds entering the music with all those 'bloops' and 'bleeps' ;-) Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4954 Re: Desert Island Revisited Gabe Yedid Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 12:30 am Subject: Re: A Tangerine Dream Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Have you been listening to 'Pictures at an Exhibition' from Turn Of The > Tides, lately? Funny thing you should mention this. No, I *never* listen to TOTT! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 2:53 am Subject: Re: women and TD Really-From: Mark Jones 'Why don't more women appreciate the music of Tangerine Dream?' One of my teachers was fond of saying that 'it's not so much knowing the right answer, but knowing the right question.' So, I have a question: Is this by virtue of Tangerine Dream or by virtue (or lack thereof) of Internet's largely-male orientation? I haven't seen any 'gender gap' with respect to the appreciative audience of Tangerine Dream. However, I do recall reading somewhere that Internet, esp. listservs, was still pretty much a men's club, what with the proliferation of 'explicit' discussion groups, singles groups, etc. There was talk once that the 'Star Trek' fan club split up because the few female participants were tired of the endless speculation on which cast member had the largerst bra size, and similar topics. If this is true, it would be rather ironic, considering that I believe a woman had more than a casual role in designing ENIAC. Or was it UNIVAC? Anyway I am wondering if Internet has more of a 'male appeal' right now than a 'female appeal?' What have others experienced in their daily activities? By way of asbestos: I am NOT agreeing with the sexist notion that women can't use computers, contribute to listservs, or other nonsense. I'm simply wondering if it is true, or ever was, that women are a 'secondary' population on the Internet. If so, it's high time that changed. Back to TD: It seems to me that the music of TD appeals to an eclectic audience, generally people who are well-educated, creative in their own right, outspoken in their opinions and for the most part socially well-adjusted. That would account for the relative 'exclusivity' of the Tangerine Dream fan club. I don't know much about JMJ, but Yanni was a counselor/psychologist prior to being a plastoid superstar. He knows what people want to hear, and has no problems telling them the same. He writes music that makes people feel generically 'good,' and nothing else. That, along with a well-honed publicity machine, accounts for his popularity, at least in my opinion. Getting back to the subject at hand ... I've known men and women who, upon 'first' exposure to Tangerine Dream, say 'Wow! That's really ... really quite ...' and then they usually shut up and listen. And gender suddenly doesn't seem to matter anymore. -- Mark ********************************** Mark mjones@j... ********************************** Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4955 Re: women and TD Ken Beal Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB 4957 Re: women and TD Sean Montgomery Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB 4968 Re: women and TD Gabe Yedid Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 3:39 am Subject: FS: Tsunami's KEEP re-recording Really-From: '(DJS)' Hey pilgrims, We just got a a few Keep re-recordings from Germany if anyone is looking for it. We have limited copies of course so don't wait if you want one. They are $25 plus $3.50 shipping & handling. If you want to order one by phone call 1-800-99-sci-fi (Super Collector). Anyone can help you. This cd is NOT Tangerine Dream. It is a re-recording by the group Fantasy Merchants and contains music from the Keep, Heartbreakers, Sorcerer, Firestarter, and Near Dark (that I can remember from memory). I have listened to it...and my personal review is readily available if you want it, heh. I usually just say no to covers but if you are a completist or collector...you will want this. regards, Dan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4958 Re: FS: Tsunami's KEEP re-recording TangerineC@a... Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB 4962 Re: FS: Tsunami's KEEP re-recording (DJS) Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 3:40 am Subject: Re: Desert Island Revisited Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > > In a message dated 97-06-10 13:32:05 EDT, you write: > > << >Um...I don't recall this sound...do you mean 'Mai-Oh'? ;) > > Could be. Whatever that annoying,embarassing vocal sound is that totally > ruins what is otherwise an excellent track. > > Scott > >> > > Oh, puh-lease, this is just another preset 'voice' like so many > others. I find it rather 'expanding', and interesting that TD is exploring > other types of sounds to fill out the mix of voicings in their recordings. > Sometimes it is refreshing to hear some human aspect sounds entering the > music with all those 'bloops' and 'bleeps' ;-) > > Phil Naunton I was going to add that I actually thought the use of that sound was rather well done in 'Towards The Evening Star'! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 4:02 am Subject: Re: women and TD Really-From: Ken Beal At 7:53 PM -0700 6/11/97, tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Mark Jones I don't know much about JMJ, but Yanni was a >counselor/psychologist prior to being a plastoid superstar. He knows what >people want to hear, and has no problems telling them the same. He writes >music that makes people feel generically 'good,' and ... -- Mark > Maybe this is why so many people like his music... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4957 Re: women and TD Sean Montgomery Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB 4968 Re: women and TD Gabe Yedid Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 4:07 am Subject: Re: D: Oasis Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > > God, I've been looking forward to the Open Discussion week... So have I (now that I've got the album). Let's see how my evaluations stack up with yours... > - OASIS - > > (1) Flashflood - 5AS > What I initially found remarkable was the slow build-up to this track. Why do > contemporary TD seem to need video footage (i.e. the 'Oasis' pictures) to > guide the listeners into their pieces in such a nice and smooth, laid-back > way? With the possible exception of 'Sad Merlins Sunday' on 'Goblins > Club', this is the most amazing intro I've heard from them since about ten > years ago! After about three minutes, the track really gets going, but still in > a rather mellow way. A rather nice lead synth, some well-arranged > arpeggios...I can see absolutely nothing to criticise about this piece. I think it kind of 'hangs' on those piano arpeggios that ascend/descend, right after the techno-ish bit, but still in a nice, minimalist, 'journey' kind of way. Definitely one of TD's most uplifiting tracks of the decade. 4.7 AS -> 5. > (2) Zion - 4AS > Reminds me quite strongly of vintage TD, with the familiar-sounding > sequencer line starting after about one minute...where have I heard this > before? Initially, I liked this track even better than the first one, but I must > admit that the lead voice is hardly very inventive... still an excellent track > with a distinctively 'flowing' nature. I think the lead is really quite underdeveloped here, and it's up to the sequencers to carry you away--which they do rather nicely; even if you're a younger TD fan like me that likes all eras, it's hard not to be nostalgic...but I'd have to give it 3 AS > (3) Reflections - 2AS > I was a little bit disappointed with this one. The intro is nice but built upon > only two sounds, and I find the sequencer line rather disturbing - as well as > the strange piano-like sound that sets in after about three minutes. I > preferred the oboe-ish lead voice that was prevalent before that. Overall, > nowhere near as good as the first two songs. I liked it quite a bit myself, what's 'disturbing' about the sequencers? 3AS > (4) Cliff Dwellers - 3AS > A bit more variation in the lead sound would have done this piece some > good, but the rest is fine...the percussive effects and bakground voices all > support the idea of a bizarre and fascinating journey across what has > remained of some ancient culture. My favourite bit is the break about three > minutes into the song. Not bad at all. This sounds like it could have been a _BtS_ leftover. I like its rather terse feel, enhanced by stiff piano and synthsicord sounds. Pretty good drums, too. However, it lacks the 'mystical' feel the title should evoke--it's like you're just walking through the ruins and contemplating them, but there's no 'spirit of the past' that's really well evoked. 3 AS. > (5) Waterborne - 5AS > If they ever released a single from this album, I'm sure this would be it. > Structurally, I think this composition is the best I've heard from TD in ages > (it is as complex as some of the 'Goblins Club' stuff, but assumes a more > adequate, slower pace). During the current European tour, I've seen them > on stage with Zlatko playing lead guitar on this song - I liked that version, > but it's difficult to say which one is better...both are quite close to perfect. I can't make that comparison, but I felt that the piece just really never got going and never sounded as 'aggressive' as a title which sounds like it should convey river rapids. I think I'd give it a 4. > (6) Cedar Breaks - 3AS > I _like_ this piece. I agree that the extremely voluminous string sound > appears unnecessarily pompous, and some of the breaks seem out of > place. But the way I look at it, this composition seems to be influenced by > things that TD used to do during the Baumann years, and subsequently > seemed to forget about...imagine this melody played on a flute - get the > idea?? A very peaceful, intricate melody that would, however, been better > off if it had been played in a more appropriate sound. Shame, really. Well, when you're trying to represent things that can live for hundreds of years, can grow to 140 feet in height, and have been used for construction since antiquity, a flute just does not cut it, my friend. These are majestic, imposing trees here! I think the music does a fine job of interpreting their 'personality'. 4AS. > (7) Summer Storm - 5AS > The opening few notes actually remind me of the beginning of 'Rubycon', > with each note standing more or less on its own, detached from everything > else. The first careful melody line certainly has something idyllic to it, and > the sequencer line (which reminds me of a railway train that just starts > moving) only gently gets things going. Preceded by some flute-like > interjections, this blends into something which you could quite > appropriately call a sound cluster, or one of the 'implicit melodies' that > have been discussed on the list a while ago, before the melody itself starts. > The end of the track with the driving drums and the thunderstorm sounds is > particularly powerful and atmospheric (and elevates the piece into the 5AS > zone), although the conclusion seems too abrupt to end such a beautiful > piece. I think Steve Feldman has miscredited Edgar on this one (sorry Ed). The rhythms and sounds of this cut seem to scream 'Jerome made me!' It's the most Dream Mix-like of the bunch! And, again, I think you have to keep in mind 2 things about the conclusion: 1) they were working against a finite time limit here (not more than 1 hour) 2) haven't you ever experienced one of those summer storms that ends as abruptly as it began? Yep, 5 AS. > (8) Hopi Mesa Heart - 2AS > I'm afraid this doesn't do much for me at all. The sounds and effects in the > intro don't seem to say hello to each other (if you know what I mean), and > the mysterious atmosphere of the melody line could have been > complimented by a bit more harmonic and dynamic substance. The > percussion, I suppose, is the most interesting bit here. In my view, > 'Summer Storm' was the perfect conclusion to the album, this is a bonus > track I could well do without. You could always program your CD player to play 'Summer Storm' last--good thing the tracks aren't linked. I really do like this track, and I think it does make a nice finish to the album. It could easily be music for 'The X-Files', it so easily conjures walking alone in the woods at night, with paranormal and supernatural things spying on you and stalking you everywhere. But you can tell my impressions are pretty different from what the title is supposed to suggest! 4 AS. > On the whole, that leaves us with 3.6 - It seems adequate to me to round > that up to 4AS, bearing in mind that the last track should not really exist... > an excellent album, in my opinion. And my vote tallies to...a 3.875. So I can definitely round to a 4AS. However, there is an extra factor, methinks--it has a really good cumulative feel, unlike..._GC_ (sorry mate), and hangs together particularly well as an album. I guess it would be a 4.4 AS then, if we could use decimals. > Dennis Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 4:13 am Subject: Re: women and TD Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Really-From: Ken Beal > >Yanni...writes music that makes people feel generically 'good,'... > Maybe this is why so many people like his music... Maybe that's why I loathe it. I like feeling crappy! Bring on the This Mortal Coil! Crank up the Joy Division...YEAH! :-) Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4968 Re: women and TD Gabe Yedid Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 4:43 am Subject: Re: FS: Tsunami's KEEP re-recording Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-06-11 23:57:20 EDT, you write: >This cd is NOT Tangerine Dream. It is a re-recording by the group Fantasy >Merchants and contains music from the Keep, Heartbreakers, Sorcerer, >Firestarter, and Near Dark (that I can remember from memory). I have >listened to it...and my personal review is readily available if you want >it, heh. I usually just say no to covers but if you are a completist or >collector...you will want this. > This was all discussed last week. It also included all the track titles that are on the cd. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 3:51 pm Subject: Re: The Average TD Fan - A Desert Island Disc Chart Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > Thanks Craig, it was such a pleasure :) You're welcome. > You are the Mr. Poll, aren t you ? Naw, I'm just his deputy. I consider Armin Theissen (Armin, I don't want to get into your name again, but I've typed it three times now, and this one looks right) as the Master of the Polls! > Jens > > PS: I m waiting for your next upcoming poll ! Well, I have been knocking something around for a while, but a lot of people get fed up with these things so I'll leave it for a couple of weeks. That way, I can have my own 'nominations' ready immediately, to kick things off. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 3:54 pm Subject: Re: Famous sightings Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > Hello all, > > >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > >There are more people in Britain that would > >recognise Matthew Kelly than Andy Pickford, but I guess > >many people in the (music) world may have an alternate > >view. BTW, Andy was standing in front of Lars and I in the > >Shepherd's Bush queue. > > Craig! Then you were standing next to me and Ash plus our young ladies! I suppose if I had already bought The Infection of Time, I might have recognised you you. Oh, well. Maybe next time. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 3:58 pm Subject: Gathering of the Clan Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Is there anyone else intending to go to the Glasgow concert in November? Is anyone interested in having a Scottish meeting of the mailing list, similar to the (very successful) one held in London prior to the Shepherd's Bush concert? I know it's still a long time off, but I just thought I'd see if anyone was interested. What about you guys in the north of England (Dave!). Where are you going to see them (if you're going at all)? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 7:34 am Subject: Re: FS: Tsunami's KEEP re-recording Really-From: '(DJS)' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > In a message dated 97-06-11 23:57:20 EDT, you write: > > >This cd is NOT Tangerine Dream. It is a re-recording by the group Fantasy > >Merchants and contains music from the Keep, Heartbreakers, Sorcerer, > >Firestarter, and Near Dark (that I can remember from memory). I have > >listened to it...and my personal review is readily available if you want > >it, heh. I usually just say no to covers but if you are a completist or > >collector...you will want this. > > > > This was all discussed last week. It also included all the track titles that > are on the cd. But now everyone knows where to get one if they want one...so it wasn't all discussed last week. DJS From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 7:07 am Subject: Re: A Tangerine Dream Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 08:16 PM 6/11/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... > > >In a message dated 97-06-11 12:16:50 EDT, you write: > ><< Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > ><< I had a weird one last night. I found myself at a TD concert, where Edgar > and Jerome had on glittery purple jackets and matching top hats. It was > all very theatrical, and concluded with them being carried offstage in a > horsedrawn carriage. After it was over, a faceless individual approached > me with a photo in their hand, which cross-dissolved into moving footage > of the Froese family crossing a city street, circa 1979 (Jerome was just a > little guy). What the hell does all this mean?> > >Have you been listening to 'Pictures at an Exhibition' from Turn Of The >Tides, lately? >Hey, Dr. Rozsa - I think you've got another one! :-D > >Graf > > Keep'm coming, gents.... I am writing a book about TDreamers' dreams... it ought to be a best-seller.... :-) Andrew P.S. Seriously now.... TD music does lend itself to dreaming (both day-dreaming and night-dreaming), doesn't it? A. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 1:12 pm Subject: Jest a minute Really-From: Ian Shillingford >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > >In a message dated 97-06-03 19:09:53 EDT, you write: > ><< listening to a CD entitled 'Underwater Sunlight' at the moment by a >band called 'Tangerine Dream'. I think it is very good indeed. Would anyone > else agree with me? > > Cheers > David > >> > This is an excellent recording by a relatively unknown band, and >should pass the time for 45 minutes or so. The thing that bothers me about >it is the - ahem - air regulator noise which occurs whenever the band takes >a breather. - - - And those Dolphins - - - Gad! > > Uh, just in case someone is unfamiliar - the above is wholely in >jest. >Phil Naunton Hang on... someone's nicked my 'Thief'! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 9:34 pm Subject: Re: Quinoa in Computer CD Drives Really-From: anunes@m... Dennis Nigbur wrote: << Can anyone imagine why the CD drive in the university computer I'm using at the moment recognises Oasis, but not Quinoa, as playable audio CDs?? >> This morning when I was reading the header of your message, I had a slight hope that you had discovered a multimedia track in the Quinoa CD! I went at home at lunchtime and put my copy of Quinoa in my computer CD drive. It played with no problem. No multimedia track though... Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 2:18 pm Subject: Re: women and TD Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-06-12 00:24:42 EDT, you write: << Maybe that's why I loathe it. I like feeling crappy! Bring on the This Mortal Coil! Crank up the Joy Division...YEAH! :-) >> i urge u to listen to nico's version of 'the end'...guaranteed to make u feel REALLY crappy...enjoy... tom w sp: crimso epitaph box disc 1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4972 Re: women and TD Plumer, Scott Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB 4978 Re: women and TD Morgan Marks Thu 6/12/1997 3 KB 5017 women and TD Armin Theissen Sat 6/14/1997 2 KB 5022 Re: women and TD Gabe Yedid Sat 6/14/1997 2 KB 5021 Re: women and TD Mmarce@a... Sat 6/14/1997 2 KB 5047 Re: women and TD Gabe Yedid Mon 6/16/1997 3 KB 5030 Re: women and TD GrafZeigen@a... Sun 6/15/1997 3 KB 5046 Re: women and TD Vincent Goudreault Mon 6/16/1997 3 KB 5059 Re: women and TD Mark Filipak Mon 6/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 2:06 pm Subject: Re: Music from HEAT Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-06-11 18:22:37 EDT, you write: << The end credits listed a lot of stuff from William Orbit plus some others. Does anyone know anything about William Orbit and his music? I haven't seen him in my usual CD stores (mind you they are becoming more mainstream and less useful to me in the last year or two). >> orbit is probably more closely associated with idm, even though he has created some very pseudo ambient electronics...his main volume of work is in the strange cargo series, I, II, and III, and a 'best of strange cargo' has also been released... he also brought out a very good disc, imo, under the nomenclature torch song called 'toward the unknown region', which features caroline lavelle on some of the tracks...btw, the heat soundtrack also features some eno stuff as well as the u2 'ambient' project passengers...hope this helps, tom w np: king crimson - epitaph box disc 1 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 3:49 pm Subject: Re: women and TD Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > Really-From: Ken Beal > > > >Yanni...writes music that makes people feel generically 'good,'... > > > Maybe this is why so many people like his music... > > > Maybe that's why I loathe it. I like feeling crappy! Bring on the This > Mortal Coil! Crank up the Joy Division...YEAH! :-) > Boy Sean, is that why you like TD? Because it almost never fails to make you feel crappy? I guess that means the TD you don't like makes you feel good(?). ;-) > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 6:32 pm Subject: A Daily List Really-From: Tom Duncan Does anyone know if there is a daily version of this list, and if so how to get on it? If not, can someone please e-mail me about how to get off this one? Love the music but don't have time for all the messages! Take care. Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 4:58 pm Subject: poll: now and then Really-From: Armin Theissen > >How does the Desert Island Discs chart relate to the 'big >chart' we did back then, Armin. Could you provide the top >ten, say, for comparison? > Hi Craig, and the rest of you my old TD poll is always available under http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen/tarank.html and the results after placing each album (at that time) between 1 and 5 (1=bad,2=not so good, 3=o.k., 4=almost perfect, 5=excellent) are added to this mail. Actually, I am just about to compare both polls to find out how our opinion has changed. But my time is limited (more limited as when I wrote this program - indeed in fortran which is stone age, I know, but astronomers still face lots of old software...) armin ah, the meaning of these numbers: album title/how many 1s/how many 2s/.../how many 5s/how many people have voted for it/how many people in total participated/average for this album. Force Majeure | 0 0 6 15 18 | 39 out of 42 av.:4.31 Logos - Live at the Dominion | 0 0 8 11 19 | 38 out of 42 av.:4.29 Encore | 0 1 3 24 13 | 41 out of 42 av.:4.20 Underwater Sunlight | 0 0 9 12 16 | 37 out of 42 av.:4.19 Ricochet | 1 0 8 15 15 | 39 out of 42 av.:4.10 Poland | 1 1 9 13 14 | 38 out of 42 av.:4.00 Tangram | 0 3 9 11 14 | 37 out of 42 av.:3.97 Pergamon - Live East Berlin '8 | 0 0 11 11 10 | 32 out of 42 av.:3.97 Stratosfear | 0 0 13 17 8 | 38 out of 42 av.:3.87 Quichotte- Live East Berlin '8 | 0 0 9 7 6 | 22 out of 42 av.:3.86 Exit | 0 2 13 12 9 | 36 out of 42 av.:3.78 White Eagle | 1 1 12 18 7 | 39 out of 42 av.:3.74 Livemiles | 2 1 8 18 5 | 34 out of 42 av.:3.68 Thief | 0 2 13 13 6 | 34 out of 42 av.:3.68 Sorcerer | 0 3 11 12 6 | 32 out of 42 av.:3.66 Rubycon | 2 3 14 9 10 | 38 out of 42 av.:3.58 Le Parc | 0 4 14 13 6 | 37 out of 42 av.:3.57 Hyperborea | 0 4 13 16 4 | 37 out of 42 av.:3.54 Flashpoint | 0 2 11 6 4 | 23 out of 42 av.:3.52 Phaedra | 4 4 10 10 11 | 39 out of 42 av.:3.51 Legend | 1 1 3 4 2 | 11 out of 42 av.:3.45 The Man Inside | 0 0 7 3 1 | 11 out of 42 av.:3.45 Tyger remix | 0 2 7 5 2 | 16 out of 42 av.:3.44 Near Dark | 0 3 10 5 3 | 21 out of 42 av.:3.38 Miracle Mile | 2 3 11 5 6 | 27 out of 42 av.:3.37 220 Volts Live | 3 5 9 9 7 | 33 out of 42 av.:3.36 Tyger | 3 4 11 10 6 | 34 out of 42 av.:3.35 Optical Race | 2 6 13 9 7 | 37 out of 42 av.:3.35 Green Desert | 0 3 17 7 4 | 32 out of 42 av.:3.28 Firestarter | 0 6 9 7 3 | 25 out of 42 av.:3.28 Melrose | 3 5 14 12 4 | 38 out of 42 av.:3.24 Risky Business | 1 3 9 7 1 | 21 out of 42 av.:3.19 Tyranny of Beauty | 3 4 10 5 5 | 27 out of 42 av.:3.19 Canyon Dreams | 2 5 17 8 3 | 35 out of 42 av.:3.14 The Park Is Mine | 0 5 6 5 1 | 17 out of 42 av.:3.12 Wavelength | 0 8 6 6 1 | 21 out of 42 av.:3.00 Lily On the Beach | 3 9 13 8 3 | 36 out of 42 av.:2.97 Turn of the Tides | 4 5 14 4 3 | 30 out of 42 av.:2.90 Heartbreakers | 0 7 6 3 1 | 17 out of 42 av.:2.88 Shy People | 1 7 6 4 1 | 19 out of 42 av.:2.84 Rockoon | 5 6 16 8 1 | 36 out of 42 av.:2.83 Cyclone | 6 7 17 7 1 | 38 out of 42 av.:2.74 Destination Berlin | 4 4 8 1 2 | 19 out of 42 av.:2.63 Catch Me If You Can | 1 6 2 1 1 | 11 out of 42 av.:2.55 Zeit | 5 12 6 1 3 | 27 out of 42 av.:2.44 Atem | 4 13 5 1 2 | 25 out of 42 av.:2.36 Alpha Centauri | 2 17 3 3 0 | 25 out of 42 av.:2.28 Three O'Clock High | 6 6 0 3 0 | 15 out of 42 av.:2.00 Electronic Meditation | 11 12 5 1 1 | 30 out of 42 av.:1.97 Deadly Care | 5 2 4 0 0 | 11 out of 42 av.:1.91 Dead Solid Perfect | 4 5 2 0 0 | 11 out of 42 av.:1.82 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 5:17 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island Revisited Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' ><< >Um...I don't recall this sound...do you mean 'Mai-Oh'? ;) > Could be. Whatever that annoying,embarassing vocal sound is that totally > ruins what is otherwise an excellent track. > Scott >> > Oh, puh-lease, this is just another preset 'voice' like so many >others. I find it rather 'expanding', and interesting that TD is exploring >other types of sounds to fill out the mix of voicings in their recordings. > Sometimes it is refreshing to hear some human aspect sounds entering the >music with all those 'bloops' and 'bleeps' ;-) I'm not upset that vocal sounds creeped into their music, what I'm upset with is that they used such a horribly cliche'd sound. 'Whoa-oh' sounds like something from Phil Collins or his ilk. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 5:23 pm Subject: Re: women and TD Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> >Yanni...writes music that makes people feel generically 'good,'... >> Maybe this is why so many people like his music... >Maybe that's why I loathe it. I like feeling crappy! Bring on the This >Mortal Coil! Crank up the Joy Division...YEAH! :-) I think most popular entertainment is like that. At least in this country, it appeals to the white middle-class notion that everything's all right and everything has a happy ending. That may explain Americans' preoccupation with musical theater. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Interesting Experiment Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...> Today an interesting experiment took place in our house ... oh err Missus (For Frankie Howerd Fans Only) Following on from the 'how long can the wife stand this' talk I undertook some research. Anybody at home can do this, all you need is a CD Player, a copy of 'Electronic Meditation' and ... oh yes, a wife or girlfriend. I managed 51 seconds of music before items I had previously looked upon as friendly (i.e. books, footstools, printers, TVs etc) became projectiles, and you can guess who they were aimed at. Let's all try this, the longest time is the winner of something interesting, maybe a commemorative CD, or a plaque perhaps ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5077 Re: Interesting Experiment PNaunton@a... Tue 6/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 5:36 pm Subject: comparing the polls Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) comparing the polls: so lets compare with the poll one/two years ago. I take only those albums which are common in both lists (e.g. Quinoa, Goblin's Club, and Oasis were not yet out at the time of the old poll, and some albums do not appear in the new one), and put them next to each other. In the new poll, some albums share a place. I indicate this by blocks and summarize all albums of the old poll accordingly. Now: the last column tells us by how many blocks each album has changed in our opinion, so for instance a '-2' would mean that today this album is placed 2 blocks lower. Well, it looks like this: this poll old poll >1 Logos Force Majeure 3- >2 Poland Logos 1+ >3 Tangram Encore 1- >4 Ricochet Underwater Sunlight 2- >4 Encore Ricochet 0 >4 Force Majeure Poland 2+ >5 Phaedra Tangram 2+ >5 Rubycon Pergamon 1- >6 Pergamon Stratosfear 2- >6 Thief White Eagle 1- >6 Underwater Sunlight Livemiles 7- >7 White Eagle Thief 1+ >8 Stratosfear Sorcerer 3- >8 Hyperborea Rubycon 3+ >8 Melrose Le Parc 1- >8 220 Volt Live Hyperborea 0 >9 Cyclone Flashpoint 4- >9 Le Parc Phaedra 4+ >9 Canyon Dreams Legend 3- >9 Miracle Mile The Man Inside 3- >10 Zeit Tyger 4- >10 Green Desert Near Dark 3- >11 Sorcerer Miracle Mile 2+ >12 Alpha Centauri 220 Volt 4+ >12 Legend Optical Race 0 >12 Optical Race Green Desert 2+ >12 The Man Inside Firestarter 1- >13 Atem Melrose 5+ >13 Flashpoint Canyon Dreams 4+ >13 Heartbreakers The Park is Mine 1- >13 Firestarter Wavelength 1- >13 Livemiles Lily on the Beach 0 >13 Lily on the Beach Heartbreakers 0 >13 Near Dark Shy People 1- >14 Wavelength Cyclone 5+ >14 Tyger Destination Berlin 0 >14 Shy People Zeit 4+ >14 The Park is Mine Atem 1+ >14 Destination Berlin Alpha Centauri 2+ lets agree that anything between -3 and +3 means that we did not change our mind. According to this, we suddenly like much more the albums - Phaedra, 220 Volt, Melrose, Canyon Dreams, Cyclone, and, wow: Zeit! and we don't like anymore that much - Flashpoint, Tyger, and we seem really to have enough of Livemiles (-7!). I hope I calculated correctly, and I want to mention that it is now past 6 in the afternoon and I really don't need to work anymore. My supervisor is very happy with me. I go home now and listen to some Nostrasgram, my favourite boot. cheers Armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 5:56 pm Subject: small world thoughts & cedar breaks Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) >>Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' >>There are more people in Britain that would >>recognise Matthew Kelly than Andy Pickford, but I guess >>many people in the (music) world may have an alternate >>view. BTW, Andy was standing in front of Lars and I in the >>Shepherd's Bush queue. >Craig! Then you were standing next to me and Ash plus our young >ladies! -- As long as we are on the small world topic, I recently got a Bush CD from Alistair Hull that was consecutively numbered with my other copies, he must have been standing right next to me at the concession table! -- more 'small world tales' anyone? Lars (who couldn't recognize anyone except Edgar and Jerome) ------------------- Re: Dennis' Oasis review, Gabe writes: >> (6) Cedar Breaks - 3AS >Well, when you're trying to represent things that can live for hundreds >of years, can grow to 140 feet in height, and have been used for >construction since antiquity, a flute just does not cut it, my friend. >These are majestic, imposing trees here! I think the music does a fine >job of interpreting their 'personality'. 4AS. -- Uhh, we're not talking about trees here. 'Cedar Breaks' is a National Park in Utah (besides, I don't think cedars grow that high? certainly not those in the Southwest -- AZ, NM, UT & CO). This park is on the opposite side (west-- best seen at sunset) of the same plateau (Paunsaugunt) as Bryce Canyon (east -- best seen at sunrise)and the erosion exposes the same stratifications. It is Cedar Breaks that is (mostly) being shown in the video (although some Bryce Canyon shots are used, especially the sunrise footage) and, I believe, being represented in the music. Cedar Breaks is not as 'spectacular' (but pretty close) nor as touristed as Bryce yet it has a sublime power and beauty that makes it a great place. For my 2 cents: I think the track is a little weak on the CD but it works great with the video and was (imo) intended to contrapposition (visually and musically) to Waterbourne. Lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4982 Re: small world thoughts & cedar breaks Gabe Yedid Thu 6/12/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: TD spotting... Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...> I saw Edgar, Jerome and a Lady I presume was Mrs. Froese, wandering around Covent Garden about a week after the Shepherd's Bush gig. I thought, I'll leave them alone - they don't want some gushing idiot talking to them. Although when I took more than a passing interest in them they did notice me. At this point I shuffled off. If only I'd been carrying my 'Shepherd's Bush' CD. About a half hour later Jerome came speeding out of the Crabtree & Evelyn shop (also in Covent Garden). He really made people turn their heads with all that hair cutting through all those around him. Maybe I could have offered to buy his jam for him ... only joking. My point is he made people notice him with this whole ensemble, Edgar & Mrs Edgar really tried to blend in, consequently they did so Although it was Edgar's hair colour that made me spot him, rather than Jerome, across the crowded Piazza.. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 7:36 pm Subject: Re: Desert Island 2 Really-From: Morgan Marks At 11:34 PM 6/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > >Hello All, > >>For my choice, I would put lots of Exit-like patches over various Melrose >>tracks, and redo Exit tracks in the style of Melrose, with maybe a Dream >>Mixes-like drum track or 2 tossed in. I didn't mean to imply that by having the equipment used for a particular album, you had to do anything that sounded remotely like that album. I would use the sequencers and drum machine to just do more blended sequences and try my best to make a 'Logos II', or '1982:the lost tracks'... It would be original though. No remixes. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 7:48 pm Subject: Re: women and TD Really-From: Morgan Marks At 09:02 PM 6/11/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Ken Beal > >At 7:53 PM -0700 6/11/97, tadream mailing list wrote: >>Really-From: Mark Jones >I don't know much about JMJ, but Yanni was a >>counselor/psychologist prior to being a plastoid superstar. He knows what >>people want to hear, and has no problems telling them the same. He writes >>music that makes people feel generically 'good,' and ... -- Mark >> >Maybe this is why so many people like his music... I agree with this statement. I came away from Rockoon wishing there were a more subdued/mellow/depressed... hell, even angry/sad track on it. Not a single note! But Rubycon, that's a different story. Logos has the slow parts I love, but also the good feeling parts. Tangent from Poland is probably my favorite track in the whole world because it's got everything. 3 1/2 minutes of pure depression/sadness/determination followed by 2 minutes of howling and ghosts flying around, and then wham! happy as a clam. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 11:58 pm Subject: Re: TD Unplugged?? (was: TD and women) Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:04:00 -0400 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >My argument is this: Is a writer any >less of a writer because he or she uses a word processor? >Scott That's a brilliant phrase, Scott! I'll have to remember that one. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 13, 1997 12:03 am Subject: Re: So much great TD in the past 3 days! Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:56:26 -0400 (EDT) tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Gabe Yedid >Well, I suppose we will just have to wait and see. My own guess is that >'Order of the Ginger G(u)ild' is pointing the way to TD's future. Note >that they are playing only 2 pieces from _GC_ on the current tour, and >the ones most strongly akin to the electronica-oriented stuff: 'Towards >the Evening Star' and 'Lamb With Radar Eyes'. to play a bit more 'Goblins Club' stuff. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4983 Re: So much great TD in the past 3 days! Gabe Yedid Thu 6/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 7:39 pm Subject: Re: TD Unplugged?? (was: TD and women) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>My argument is this: Is a writer any >>less of a writer because he or she uses a word processor? >>Scott >That's a brilliant phrase, Scott! I'll have to remember that one. >Dennis Thanks! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 8:40 pm Subject: Re: small world thoughts & cedar breaks Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > Re: Dennis' Oasis review, Gabe writes: > >> (6) Cedar Breaks - 3AS > >Well, when you're trying to represent things that can live for hundreds > >of years, can grow to 140 feet in height, and have been used for > >construction since antiquity, a flute just does not cut it, my friend. > >These are majestic, imposing trees here! I think the music does a fine > >job of interpreting their 'personality'. 4AS. > -- Uhh, we're not talking about trees here. 'Cedar Breaks' is a National > Park in Utah Ok, that's something I *didn't* know. > (besides, I don't think cedars grow that high? certainly not > those in the Southwest -- AZ, NM, UT & CO). Cedars *can* grow that high, given they have enough time to do so. There are 2 types of cedars: cupressineous, and true cedars. True cedars are not native to North America, if my information is correct, but it is cupressineous cedars that are supposed to have moth-repellent properties. On average, cupressineous cedars tend to be taller, and also belong to a different family than pine cedars. > This park is on the opposite > side (west-- best seen at sunset) of the same plateau (Paunsaugunt) as > Bryce Canyon (east -- best seen at sunrise)and the erosion exposes the same > stratifications. It is Cedar Breaks that is (mostly) being shown in the > video (although some Bryce Canyon shots are used, especially the sunrise > footage) and, I believe, being represented in the music. Cedar Breaks is > not as 'spectacular' (but pretty close) nor as touristed as Bryce yet it > has a sublime power and beauty that makes it a great place. Hey, sounds like someplace I'd like to spend a few days. Thanks for the tourist brochure, Lars! > For my 2 > cents: I think the track is a little weak on the CD but it works great with > the video This is probably the case with 'Zion' as well. > Lars Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 8:44 pm Subject: Re: So much great TD in the past 3 days! Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > > On Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:56:26 -0400 (EDT) tadream mailing list > wrote: > >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > >Well, I suppose we will just have to wait and see. My own guess is that > >'Order of the Ginger G(u)ild' is pointing the way to TD's future. Note > >that they are playing only 2 pieces from _GC_ on the current tour, and > >the ones most strongly akin to the electronica-oriented stuff: 'Towards > >the Evening Star' and 'Lamb With Radar Eyes'. > > to play a bit more 'Goblins Club' stuff. > > Dennis HUH? Did something happen to the rest of your sentence, here? Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 8:58 pm Subject: Re: Track Timings from OPTICAL RACE LP Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-06-10 09:50:27 EDT, you write: > I taped OPTICAL RACE from my copy of the record when it came out, >and timed the tracks then with my wristwatch. Here are the times I got: > >Side 1 Side 2 > >Marakesh 8:17 Cat Scan 5:35 >Atlas Eyes 4:04 Sun Gate 4:44 >Mothers of Rain 5:13 Turning Off the Wheel 6:11 >Twin Soul Tribe 4:28 The Midnight Trail 6:54 >Optical Race 3:13 Ghazal (Love Song) 5:00 > These are the same exact times on the CD also. So the Lp is identical to the CD. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 9:05 pm Subject: Re: WHAAAaaaa? was (Re: Some TD at last...) Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-06-10 01:25:23 EDT, you write: > Do you think I have too much free time on my hands? Should I seek >professional help, or is it too late? > >Phil Naunton (who needs a serious vacation) > Not at all Phil. I just recieved a hot blonde hooker through e-mail the other day. She told me for $50.00, she would do anything my heart desired. So I told her to paint my house. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4993 Re: WHAAAaaaa? was (Re: Some TD at last...) Plumer, Scott Fri 6/13/1997 2 KB 4999 Re: WHAAAaaaa? was (Re: Some TD at last...) PNaunton@a... Fri 6/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 9:24 pm Subject: Tangram Definitive Edition Really-From: TangerineC@a... I have the old purple cover of Tangram, so when I heard about this new version with the original red cover, I ran right out to buy it. When I got it home and played it, it sounded almost identical in sound quality as the purple cover version. I also heard it was mastered with the 20 bit system. It says nothing like that on the cover or the CD. It only says Definitive Edition on the Cd itself. Can anyone explain where the idea that it was mastered came from? Especially with Super Bit system? Again, to me there is no difference between the purple cover and the new red one. Anyone disagree? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5005 Re: Tangram Definitive Edition Craig R. J. Cordrey Fri 6/13/1997 3 KB 5025 Re: Tangram Definitive Edition Jens Peschke Sat 6/14/1997 3 KB 5029 Goodbye for the time being! Matt Williams Sun 6/15/1997 4 KB 5071 Re: Tangram Definitive Edition Michael Fox Mon 6/16/1997 4 KB 5086 Re: Tangram Definitive Edition Craig R. J. Cordrey Tue 6/17/1997 3 KB 5146 Re: Tangram Definitive Edition Michael Fox Wed 6/18/1997 3 KB 5112 Re: Tangram Definitive Edition Mark Filipak Wed 6/18/1997 3 KB 5115 Re: Tangram Definitive Edition Mark Filipak Wed 6/18/1997 3 KB 5148 Re: Tangram Definitive Edition TangerineC@a... Wed 6/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 9:32 pm Subject: Address Change Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... For whom it may yadda yadda yadda, Just to let you know that after tomorrow (Friday), I will no longer be working at my present job, and thus will have to switch this list to my home address. For those of you who need to get in contact with me personally, my home EMail is Sturminatr@a... I'll be back in a day or so (try not to miss me too much). Sincerely etc., B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 12, 1997 10:00 pm Subject: An elanic Tangerine Dream Really-From: Elana who? Seeing as how this list is talking on the subject of literal dreams if TD, I'll let you know this one. I once had a dream in July of 1988 that turned out just plain prophetic, in a symbolic sort of way, though I didn't know it at the time. ******* In this dream, I suddenly find myself ONSTAGE, with the curtain rising up... and there I was, at the center, Edgar to my left, Chris to my right, I'm surrounded by a whole huge synth setup, AND HAD NO $@$@% CLUE HOW TO PLAY THE KEYBOARDS! (same as real life; I am not a musician). I stand there with rising panic, 'remembering' the previous evening, having fun and hanging out with the band in some hotel room on this tour. All of a sudden now, I am on stage with them, and I'm supposed to be performing on par with them. What am I doing here?? Where's Paul??? HELP!!! Edgar starts a sequence. Chris follows it. I'm supposed to bring in a third synth line, and I have no idea what to do. I look in desperation to Edgar. He's completely ignoring me. The curtain's up, the audience is watching... I keep trying to get Edgar's attention... please, hello, Edgar...??! All of a sudden I feel someone close to my right side. It's Chris, there to give me a quick synth lesson. He wordlessly lends a kind of supportive presence for my situation, which I appreciate. He then proceeds to teach me a few things about the synths fairly quickly, just enough so that I can follow along, somewhat. When Chris is satisfied that I can maybe handle it, he returns back to his synth setup and continues the concert. I manage to keep up somewhat, at least enough to handle what I am supposed to do at a minimum. That's better... Then I woke up. ******* Now what I didn't know then was what a real *predictor* that dream would turn out to be!!!! Three years later, in 1991, Chris decided to get in touch with me based upon my emusic-activist work at the time. In the years since, Chris has been quite a supportive character in my life. I am extremely thankful for it and he knows it. And Edgar? Edgar never really ever talked to me or dealt with me any time in history. I guess that is just a kinda Fate sorta thing... just how it has turned out. I tend to believe there's some important, mysterious sort of Greater Cosmic Reason for it, of which I don't intend to either question or - in any way - mess with. I've gots me a few happy memories of talking with Chris which are now my own to keep... they are *quite* enough. :) -E. ---- 'By the way, what is happening with Tangerine Dream?' -C. Franke seriously to Elana (who cracked up laughing in surprise) 9-1-96 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5015 Re: An elanic Tangerine Dream Vic Rek Sat 6/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Help needed: TD tracks identification Really-From: arnaud@b... (ARNAUD DE BONALD) Hi all, I am a new TD Fan. I discovered the group 6 months ago and have allready bought their Virgin Albums from 1975 to 1983. I find their early music very hard to listen and don't like ether their 90's albums. Some months ago, one person that i don't know made me a tape of TD with afew of their best tracks. >From this tape, i have identified and bought allmost all the songs that i liked. But there are still three music for wich i don't know the titles/albums. It would be very nice if someone on this mailing-list could help me to identify them. Please reply by E-mail if you can help. Arnaud - arnaud@b... or bonald@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 4994 Re: Help needed: TD tracks identification Plumer, Scott Fri 6/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 13, 1997 3:52 am Subject: New perspective on 'Waterborne' Really-From: Gabe Yedid In my reply to Dennis' thoughts on _Oasis_, I said that I didn't think that 'Waterborne' conjured up images of river rapids well (is that what they are on the video?). Well, listening to it today, I realized there is a whole other set of circumstances by which may be 'waterborne'! I only needed to recall my experiences at Crane Beach, in Barbados (yep, I'm-a rubbin' it in now ;) ). Maybe not river rapids, but being tossed about by the pounding surf while you seek that perfect body-surf sure is a great way to be 'waterborne'! And the music evoked THAT *perfectly*. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 13, 1997 6:28 am Subject: Thank you Really-From: 'Greg Heil' A pre thank you to Lars for being able to get me a copy of Force Majeure. I can't wait to hear this album, and being one of the top albums TD did, I'll be sure to post my opinions about it! Is it me or is there something special about 77-78-79 years? This seemed to be the hay days of music (electronic) as far as I can tell on the groups I listen to. Greg From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 13, 1997 9:12 am Subject: glasgow - I'm in Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > >Is there anyone else intending to go to the Glasgow concert >in November? Is anyone interested in having a Scottish >meeting of the mailing list, similar to the (very >successful) one held in London prior to the Shepherd's Bush >concert? > > That is a good idea. Glasgow is closer to Northern Ireland than London, so why shouldn't I? See you then armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 13, 1997 12:11 pm Subject: Re: WHAAAaaaa? was (Re: Some TD at last...) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Not at all Phil. I just recieved a hot blonde hooker through e-mail the other >day. She told me for $50.00, she would do anything my heart desired. So I >told her to paint my house. I'd have her _clean_ my house. Send her over! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 13, 1997 12:16 pm Subject: RE: Help needed: TD tracks identification Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >It would be very nice if someone on this mailing-list could help me to >identify them. I'm sure everyone on the list would be happy to help you. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 13, 1997 12:32 pm Subject: Trad or Synth (was RE: TD unplugged) Really-From: Ian Shillingford >I often argue about the merits of electronic music with a friend of mine >who listens to nothing but jazz. My argument is this: Is a writer any >less of a writer because he or she uses a word processor? What matters >is the finished product, not the means by which it is reached. > >Scott I'd agree with that! And further: how could someone using 'traditional' instruments create a soundscape like Phaedra or Rubycon? TD works because besides undeniable talent in composition and performance, they effectively have an unlimited array of sounds and instruments. More colors on their palette perhaps. I think I'll have a lie-down now! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 13, 1997 12:32 pm Subject: Its late at night Really-From: Ian Shillingford >Keep'm coming, gents.... I am writing a book about TDreamers' >dreams... it ought to be a best-seller.... :-) > >Andrew I had this dream recently:- All these tangerines are.... z z z |^P From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 13, 1997 1:49 pm Subject: D:Solo Calendar Really-From: Vic Rek Here is the tentative calendar for our D:solo discussion beginning the Week of June 16, 1997. I'd like to thank Lars Jones for his help in running the D:Addendum discussion for the last few months. One general reminder is that the subject title should look like 'D:Album_Name' if discussing a particular album or 'D:Solo_Artist' if discussing that artist. Please try to keep the content of these messages to the topic. I will try to keep some basic statistics on these if we follow this format. I will not count replies as a separate discussion or review. I may change the discussion line-up if it becomes necessary, but basically this will be the schedule. If you have any comments about the lineup, feel free to write me privately or post questions to the list. We have already generally agreed on this format in past discussions, that is alphabetical/chronological order. One change that I have made is that I have combined some albums into the same week, such as a few compilations. Oh, by the way, feel free to rate the album on the Armin scale (0AS to 5AS, 5AS being the best). Starting Date PETER BAUMANN: 1 Romance 76 June 16, 1997 2 Trans Harmonic Nights June 23, 1997 3 Repeat Repeat June 30, 1997 Strangers in the Night Phase by Phase CHRISTOPHER FRANKE: 4 Pacific Coast Highway July 7, 1997 McBain 5 The London Concert July 14, 1997 6 Universal Soldier July 21, 1997 7 New Music for Films: Vol. 1 July 28, 1997 8 Klemania Aug. 4, 1997 Morphing Space “The Singles” 9 Raven Aug. 11, 1997 Enchanting Nature 10 Babylon 5 Aug. 18, 1997 11 Night of the Running Man Aug. 25, 1997 12 The Celestine Prophecy Sep. 1, 1997 13 Tenchi-Muyo! in Love Sep. 8, 1997 14 Perry Rhodan - Pax Terra Sep. 15, 1997 Bridge to Eternity (single) 15 Babylon 5, Vol. 2 Sep. 22, 1997 EDGAR FROESE: 16 Aqua Sep. 29, 1997 17 Epsilon in Malaysian Pale Oct. 6, 1997 Electronic Dreams 18 Macula Transfer Oct. 13, 1997 19 Ages Oct. 20, 1997 20 Stuntman Oct. 27, 1997 Solo 1974-1979 21 Kamikaze 1989 Nov. 3, 1997 22 Pinnacles Nov. 10, 1997 23 Beyond the Storm Nov. 17, 1997 PAUL HASLINGER: 24 All releases Nov. 24, 1997 MICHAEL HOENIG: 25 All releases Dec. 1, 1997 STEVE JOLLIFFE: 26 All releases Dec. 8, 1997 KLAUS KRÜGER: 27 All releases Dec. 15, 1997 JOHANNES SCHMOELLING: 28 Wuivend Riet Dec. 22, 1997 29 Zoo of Tranquillity Dec. 29, 1997 30 White Out Jan. 5, 1998 31 Der Zaubergeiger Settembrini Jan. 12, 1998 Songs No Words CONRAD SCHNITZLER: 32 All releases Jan. 19, 1998 STEVE SCHROYDER: 33 All releases Jan. 26, 1998 KLAUS SCHULZE: 34 All releases - really! Feb. 2, 1998 Depending on the response from the list, we may need to extend the Klaus Schulze reviews... After that we may also need to add a few more solo albums... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5033 Re: D:Solo Calendar PNaunton@a... Sun 6/15/1997 2 KB 5034 Re: D:Solo Calendar Morgan Marks Sun 6/15/1997 3 KB 5042 Re: D:Solo Calendar Craig R. J. Cordrey Mon 6/16/1997 4 KB 5052 Re: D:Solo Calendar Vic Rek Mon 6/16/1997 3 KB 5079 Re: D:Solo Calendar Pete Isaacson Tue 6/17/1997 3 KB 5080 Re: D:Solo Calendar PhilPDX@a... Tue 6/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 13, 1997 1:58 pm Subject: Re: TD and only TD!! Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-11 17:24:48 EDT, you write: << Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares', to be pedantic. Dennis >> Thanks, Dennis. I knew it was something like that but I was just too lazt to go and look. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 13, 1997 1:58 pm Subject: Re: WHAAAaaaa? was (Re: Some TD at last...) Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-10 19:39:00 EDT, you write: << I think that your grasp on really is becoming tenuous. I offer my services at barter prices: 2 TD boots for an hour of questionable therapy. Deal? Andrew (aka Redneck Shrink) >> Possibly, but I only have one 'boot' ( not that I am one legged or anything ) but I would really like to 'Keep' the boot I have, so I guess I'll have to wait until my grasp on reality becomes ELEVENuous. Of course that may be sooner than anyone is expecting. Phil Naunton