preexisting From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 1:47 am Subject: RE: VOICES IN THE DUNES: Online/CD-ROM?!? Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate your message written at 02:10 PM 6/23/97 -0400, tadream mailing list. You wrote: >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >>I stand by my statement. He may be a great fan and a true lover of >>TD, but he does not understand how I/we feel, otherwise he would >>either let the gentlemen working assiduously on their books do >>their work (and help them) or produce something on his own. NOW! > >He helped me considerably (Danke Peter!), and, speaking as a fan, I >would want something right away too, but, speaking as an author, I >wouldn't want to put out some half-arsed effort just to satisfy some >fans. My book would have been out months ago, except that I wanted to >make sure the details were right, and I wanted to wait for the Tournado >dust to settle before I went to the printer's. The LAST thing an author, >or any creator, wants to do is put out something he or she feels is not >the best it could be, just to 'get something out there.' > >Scott I truly appreciate the effort and the sentiment. I am sure others share my feelings on the subject too. Put me in the queue for purchasing a copy of your work. Also, PLEASE don't return my request with an Out-of-Print stamp on it, like someone else did, several years ago.:-( Looking forward to some good reading, Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 1:21 am Subject: Re: Second 1977 US Tour Cancellation Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >I'm sure I've seen somewhere in print Edgar admitting that the reason > >for the second 1977 NA tour being cancelled was *not* because of 'an > >equestrian accident'. IIRC he stated that he 'could hardly even ride'. > > Call me a skeptci, but why concoct a story to cover up the real reason? > What did they stand to gain from it? (Mark dons his business hat) These sorts of stories are par for the course. Perhaps someone's butt was being covered by this story -- someone who TD wanted to provide cover for. Perhaps the original promoter didn't go belly-up right away or thought they might be able to survive the storm. Certainly by a couple of years down the trail, Edgar was relating the true story as we all now know. > > He went on to say that it was because Emerson, Lake and Palmer split > > up at that time. Consequently, ELP's US concerts were cancelled, and > > the promoters went bust. TD were caught in the fallout from this. > > Don't believe that. 1977 was ELP's biggest year: they toured and sold > out stadiums, and they didn't break up until 1980. Plus, they may have > been under contract to perform those shows, so if they did break up, > they'd have to wait until the end of the tour or face massive lawsuits. > Plus, they'd have earned a lot of money playing those shows, so they'd > have been fools to break up. They were beginning to separate (look at > Works Vol. 1) but they were still a band until 1980. Perhaps this 'split-up' story was also a cover, but for ELP. Maybe someone went into rehab is the real story. Who knows? And at this point it's kinda moot, eh? Cheers All -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 2:13 am Subject: Re: Oedipus Tyrannus Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > Speaking of Oedipus Tyrannus, the overture was on 'V' but what > > about the rest of the music for the stage play? Anybody know > > anything about it? Was any of the rest of it by TD? If so, does > > it survive on any sort of media? Ciao -- Mark (question authorities) > > There was a BBC broadcast on 22 august, 1974 ( apparently)direct from > chichester festival theater, 23 min long. It'a very noisy but with > denoising tools I've got 23 minutes of dreaming, abstract, ethereal > music. Overture, from V is the and last third movement. > > ( Note: I got the original thanks to the kindness of John Burek) Thanks Francisco. Hmm... three movements, eh? Apparently there was a broadcast a week later (29 Aug 74) lasting 29 minutes and with 4 pieces -- maybe an added interview or something. Sound quality is supposed to be much better than the tape from 22 Aug (7 -vs- 5). Anyone have this 29 Aug 74 broadcast on tape? Ciao -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 2:23 am Subject: Re: VOICES IN THE DUNES: Online/CD-ROM?!? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >Think it over. Issue an electronic version YOURSELF. As a courtesy to > >the people who can't buy the book because it's out of print, and as > >promotion for the coming new release. > > Yes, rather than just copying the existing work, improve on it! Make it > an interactive deal, with sound and video and everything else. Heee, heeee, heeee. 'Interactive deal, with sound and video!' That's pretty funny, Scott. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 5:34 am Subject: Re: patience Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate your message written at 08:55 AM 6/23/97 +0000, tadream mailing list. You wrote: >Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves > > >Hey Andrew, > >It is impossible to provide everything to you on a silver platter 'Now'. No >matter what form the book takes, be it paper or electronic, it will still >require a lot of time to put that vast amount of information into a coherent >and presentable (readable) form. > > First of all I think that my entire original post was misunderstood. All I wanted to say, albeit sarcastically (and for this I ought to apologize) is that if some folks want to make annotated discographies they should be allowed to do so. I also meant to say that, since there was no update planned (seems that I was wrong on this account too!), a so-so discography would be preferable to a FAN, than no book at all. Furthermore, while I understand the enormous work it must have taken to produce the first book, I thought that the authors ought not hinder the work of others, even some of the copyrights would be MARGINALLY compromised. I, personally, detest outright plagiarism. And I have a couple of dozen original scientific publications to my name to prove that I never do it. I also meant to (succinctly) state that the psychology of the fan is well-entrenched in immediate gratification, and NOT in delaying it. You can argue to the contrary all you want, Matt, but you would be wrong. >The old edition of 'Voices' is a starting point for any collector wanting >information through 1990. As Klaus Beschorner mentioned, nobody bid on his >mint sealed copy high enough to make the original selling price. There is a >copy if you want it. But I noted in your e-mail to Peter Stoeferle that you >never wanted to see a copy. What a hypocrite. > I wish you did not resort to ad hominem attacks. Since I haven't. I have stated that I dislike auctions, therefore I don't participate in them. It's a personal choice. I have no idea where you saw me saying that I never wanted to see a copy of the book. Especially since I never said that. And I would have GLADLY paid $50 for the book, but I was told (by someone on this list) that the copy Klaus has may sell for as much as $200. To me, that would have been exorbitant. Somehow, I must have conveyed the wrong message in my post. Here is a copy of the e-mail I sent to Klaus on 28 May 1997: -------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- >05/28/97 11:58PM... >Klaus, >No disrespect meant, but I don't participate in blind auctions. However, I would be >interested in the outright purchase of the following items, at some reasonable >price. Conversely, you could let me know what the highest offer is and I would see >if I can top it. >In either case, please let me know if you are interested in dealing with me under >the above conditions. >Regards, >Andrew >KLEM-CD 2 (unrel. Franke-Schmoelling-Schulze-Mergener-Roach-etc.), m/m >CD - BOOTLEGS >------------- >CD Collected Endings (Nottingham 1976 + USA 1988), m/m >2CD Sonambulistic Imagery (Laguna Hills 1986), m/m >CD-R Rare Trax 2 (rare tracks 1983-1994), m/m > >BOOK >---- >Voices in the Dunes, paperback edition, mint -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- I never heard from him. I surmised he was busy or sold the book for a good price. I also want to mention that I requested a copy of your book directly from you a couple of years ago, with what now I know, expected results, since the book was out of print. >Happy compiling at your end. I have never intended to (and never will) compile anything. Another misunderstanding on your part. I would just be happy to have some good reading material about my favorite musical group. If my support of people's efforts to 'hand' me good information 'on a silver platter NOW' gets your panties in a wad, you will just to learn to walk funny. >CHEERS...Matt Adios, Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 4:25 am Subject: UWP ftp site Really-From: 'SIDEX SA - CENTRUL DE CALCUL' Dear dreamers , does anybody know where can the former <> be found ? Searching <> doesn't helped at all !!! Thank you for your kindness,Bogdan -- Romania Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5322 Re: UWP ftp site David Datta Tue 6/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 3:44 pm Subject: Re: Oedipus Tyrannus in Encore Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' OK folks, here's the scoop on the timings of OT within the Desert Dream track on Encore. My version of Encore is non-SBM, but I don't think there should be any great discrepancy between it and the SBM. There are three different sections where OT is dropped in :- 03:32 - 05:00 08:50 - 12:15 14:24 - 16:40 It was only when I listened to it last night that I realised how much of a difference there was between the OT sections and the rest of the track. I don't think I'll be able to listen to it in quite the same way again. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 7:34 am Subject: TaDream Population Really-From: Mark Filipak Just thought I'd pass on that Tadream now has the following membership Tadream: 188 members (178 individuals and 10 lists) Tadream-Digest: 217 members The lists that receive Tadream are: arpalists+music.tadream@a... listarch+16810@l... listsaver-of-tadream@v... tadream-list@c... tadream-list@e... tadream-list@f... tadream-news@c... tadream@d... tadredst@b... tangerine-dream@i... so when you write fuck on this list, a lot of people will see it. :-) -- Mark (Sure hope my mom didn't see it) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5339 Re: TaDream Population K.E Wed 6/25/1997 2 KB 5342 Re: TaDream Population Mark Filipak Wed 6/25/1997 3 KB 5359 Re: TaDream Population David Datta Wed 6/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 3:54 pm Subject: RE: cognomen 'Tangerine Dream'? Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Ed & Co. say it's _not_ from LitSwD, since the line is actually > 'tangerine trees.' It could be that Ed heard it as 'dream' and decided > to use it for his band name. When did Sgt. Pepper come out? June 67. > TD was founded in Sept. '67, and so was I ! > and I wonder if Sgt. Pepper might have come out > after, thus lending credence to his claim. Maybe he didn't want to look > stupid by mis-hearing the line in the song. I think the official line is > that it's an anagram. For what? I believe Edgar has said it's an _acronym_, though whether it's an English or German one, I don't know. Or it could be derived from the words in Lady Greengrass by The Ones. But personally, I think he stole it from the Kaleidoscope album - it's too much of a coincidence. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 8:19 am Subject: TD Driving Music Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi All. A lawyer (good guy) neighbor recently moved to Houston :-( I sent him on his way driving east with a bag of my hash brownies and a tape of TD to use as driving music -- he was unfamiliar with TD but liked everything he had heard. Below is the tape lineup which filled out a Maxell 100 minute tape perfectly -- they put a little extra tape on so the sides are actually 51:45. I typeset it to make the J-card. I was wondering if anyone had further suggestions for TD driving music. Cheers -- Mark _________ TD Is My Co-pilot - Tangerine Dream Driving Music Side 1 [50:43] >From Pergamon - Live at the Palast Der Republik Quichotte Pt.2 [18:58] (excerpt at 3:40) >From Poland - The Warsaw Concert Love on a Polish Train [10:42] (Poland excerpt at 0:48) Warsaw in the Sun [8:40] (Barbakane excerpt at 9:20) Horizon [6:30] (excerpt at 3:30) Polish Dance [5:53] (Tangent excerpt at 10:00) Side 2 [51:38] >From Logos - Live at the Dominion Logos-Velvet [7:29] (excerpt at 6:31) Logos-Red [6:16] (excerpt at 14:00) Logos-Blue [5:28] (excerpt at 20:16) Logos 6 [9:46] (excerpt at 35:20) >From Livemiles Livemiles-Albuquerque 1 [14:00] (excerpt at 0:20) San Buena Ventura [5:11] >From Risky Business Love On A Real Train [3:28] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5318 Re: TD Driving Music Steve McCready Tue 6/24/1997 2 KB 5320 Re: TD Driving Music Grant Middleton Tue 6/24/1997 3 KB 5321 Re: TD Driving Music Vic Rek Tue 6/24/1997 2 KB 5336 Re: TD Driving Music dbrewer@a... Tue 6/24/1997 3 KB 5340 Re: TD Driving Music Mark Filipak Wed 6/25/1997 3 KB 5367 Re: TD Driving Music TangerineC@a... Wed 6/25/1997 2 KB 5421 Re: TD Driving Music PNaunton@a... Fri 6/27/1997 2 KB 5435 Re: TD Driving Music GrafZeigen@a... Fri 6/27/1997 2 KB 5455 Re: TD Driving Music gilmore@g... Sat 6/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 8:46 am Subject: Re: cognomen 'Tangerine Dream'? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > > Ed & Co. say it's _not_ from LitSwD, since the line is actually > > 'tangerine trees.' It could be that Ed heard it as 'dream' and > > decided to use it for his band name. When did Sgt. Pepper come out? > > June 67. > > > TD was founded in Sept. '67 ... > > ... and I wonder if Sgt. Pepper might have come out > > after, thus lending credence to his claim. Maybe he didn't want to > > look stupid by mis-hearing the line in the song. I think the > > official line is that it's an anagram. For what? > > I believe Edgar has said it's an _acronym_, though whether > it's an English or German one, I don't know. > > Or it could be derived from the words in Lady Greengrass by The > Ones. > > But personally, I think he stole it from the Kaleidoscope album - it's > too much of a coincidence. Excuse me but I think we are missing an important note here. If 'Lady Greenglass' came out a year before either 'Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club' or the Kaleidoscope album, and 'LG' had these words She lifts her dress and floats to dreamland-- makes love to the sky. She let's her hair hang down as the weeds go 'round Lady Greengrass. Puff, the grass turns tangerine [in verse 2 it's '... the trees turn tangerine'] Puff, the sky is suddenly green; her eyes reveal her state of mind; she's beginning to fly. then who influenced who? Maybe the question we should ask is: Where did the Beatles get the phrase 'tangerine trees' rather than debating what to me is obvious -- that Edgar invented the name. My $2e-2 -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 5:02 pm Subject: Re: cognomen 'Tangerine Dream'? Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > Excuse me but I think we are missing an important note here. If 'Lady > Greenglass' came out a year before either 'Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts > Club' or the Kaleidoscope album, and 'LG' had these words Very, very, very, very interesting Mr F. Why has no-one else brought up this point ? > then who influenced who? Maybe the question we should ask is: Where > did the Beatles get the phrase 'tangerine trees' rather than debating > what to me is obvious -- that Edgar invented the name. I wonder how much of the European psychedelic culture the Beatles absorbed at the time. I think it's fair to say that most of the trippy hippy stuff was coming from California. > My $2e-2 -- Mark Shouldn't that be $2E-2, Mark ? Or maybe you did mean 2 dollars divided by e to the power 2. - Grant (just call me anal) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 5:22 pm Subject: Re: cognomen 'Tangerine Dream'? Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: Mark Filipak [intro and lyrics snipped] > then who influenced who? Maybe the question we should ask is: Where > did the Beatles get the phrase 'tangerine trees' rather than debating > what to me is obvious -- that Edgar invented the name. To suggest that the Beatles picked up 'tangerine trees' from 'trees turn tangerine' is perhaps a little unlikely. Both make use of illiteration and, other than turqoise, I can't think of any other colours which start with 't' (oh, yes I did, teal!). Orange/tangerine is a pretty trippy-freaky colour anyway (certainly more so than teal) and so it is not inconceivable to me (at least) that the two are independent. As for the group's name, well we'll never know, of course, until Edgar tells us. It may well be that he saw the Kaleidoscope album and thought that its name portrayed what he was after and so 'nicked' it. Not so much stole it, but seeing it was perhaps one of those situations where you have a vague feeling you knw what you want and can't quite put your finger on it and then -POW- there it is, in front of you. Just more unguided speculation and my two-pence worth (not getting into anything fancy with Professor Middleton on the loose!) --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) mailto : cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 10:09 am Subject: Warsaw Pictures on TD Webpage Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Excuse me if anyone else has mentioned this, but the TD webpage has a lot of great photos from Warsaw! Judging by the amount of photos of Emil, I think he's going to be around for at least a one new album--and if TD does compose the new album this year, while keeping Emil for the next part in the Europe tour in November, I think we are going to hear quite a different TD! I wonder what Jerome's listening to on that CD player... he's really banging his hair around! Greg Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5393 Re: Warsaw Pictures on TD Webpage Mark Filipak Thu 6/26/1997 2 KB 5405 Re: Warsaw Pictures on TD Webpage Marcel Engels Thu 6/26/1997 2 KB 5459 Re: Warsaw Pictures on TD Webpage Mark Filipak Sat 6/28/1997 3 KB 5500 Re: Warsaw Pictures on TD Webpage Francisco Salgado C. Sun 6/29/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 7:16 pm Subject: Re: TD Driving Music Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready) On Tue, 24 Jun 1997 01:19:10 -0700, Mark asked: >I was wondering if anyone had >further suggestions for TD driving music. Cheers -- Mark 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' and 'Silver Scale' come to mind. -Steve sbm@p... Sacramento, CA From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 12:11 pm Subject: RE: VOICES IN THE DUNES: Online/CD-ROM?!? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Put me in the queue for purchasing a copy of your work. Also, >PLEASE don't return my request with an Out-of-Print stamp on it, >like someone else did, several years ago.:-( That will never happen. I'm printing and binding them myself. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 8:46 pm Subject: Re: TD Driving Music Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready) > >I was wondering if anyone had > >further suggestions for TD driving music. Cheers -- Mark > > 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' and 'Silver Scale' come to mind. Force Majeure from where the piano comes in. Top down, wind in your hair. Yeah. Dr. Destructo. Cloudburst Flight Part 3 of Encore (I can never remember which is which between Cherokee Lane and Coldwater Canyon). Monolight (the big sequencer/brass section). Choronzon Of course, all the above would probably put you over the speed limit, so for more relaxed cruisin' music, how about :- Beach Theme/Scene Logos (the cool section with the most excellent Schmoelling soloing - don't know the section's 'colour'). ------------------------------------------------ _.^~~~~~\ middletong@m... Grunt ! [, @ \______/ FORWARD -> ../\ ../\ ------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 1:14 pm Subject: Re: TD Driving Music Really-From: Vic Rek At 01:19 AM 6/24/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak >Hi All. A lawyer (good guy) neighbor recently moved to Houston :-( > >I sent him on his way driving east with a bag of my hash brownies and a >tape of TD to use as driving music -- he was unfamiliar with TD but >liked everything he had heard. Boy, what a lucky guy (the 'good' guy lawyer). Didn't even know he was moving in next door to Edgar's cousin. He'll be in for some pleasant surprises! I hope this guys practices copyright law, we may need his help. But, if he is one of those accident/injury guys that advertises on the back page of the phone book, then you'll have to put him out of his misery Mark. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 1:28 pm Subject: Re: UWP ftp site Really-From: David Datta In article <5onjti$alm$1@n...> you wrote: : Really-From: 'SIDEX SA - CENTRUL DE CALCUL' : does anybody know where can the former <> be found ? It's gone for good. A complete copy will remain at mirrors.aol.com in /pub/music . I'll have to get the WWW folks to put a 'It's gone' message up. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: '81 Exit Tour? Really-From: 'Roger Smith' I've been listening to a very exciting fan tape of TD at Newcastle City Hall, October 25, 1981. Can anyone venture a tracklisting for this portion of the 1981 Exit tour in Britain? Thanks, Roger From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 2:47 pm Subject: Edgar is a.... Really-From: Alexander Bjelke Seeing the pictures from the Warsaw concert on the Tangerine Dream website a thought struck me; The impression that I got the first time I saw Edgar was that he didn't at all look like a musician (Goblins Club), but much more like a truck driver. And now I see that he actually IS a truckdriver!! Regards Alexander Bjelke From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 4:46 pm Subject: Re: Oedipus Tyrannus Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Anyone have this > 29 Aug 74 broadcast on tape? > > Ciao -- Mark I got a tape in front of me saying: Overture ('V') CBS Studio's June 1974. Unfortunately, it's not the complete recording. But it really sounds like a studio-recording. This is definitely not a live recording I have. Parts of it are on Encore - Desert Dream, the strange parts, not the parts where the electric piano/mellotron etc. comes in. Voices in the Dunes says: August 22 and 29 London, England. Parts of the Chicester Festival can be found on the Tape: Festival, which I don't have. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 5:03 pm Subject: Electronic mailing lists? Really-From: agarner@n... Can anyone tell me if there is a mailing list apart from tadream that discussses EM by other artists as well as TD? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5387 Re: Electronic mailing lists? Mark Filipak Thu 6/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: TD *did* play Boulder in 1977 Really-From: 'John Burek [Shopper]' <72241.2313@C...> Hey folks, What a weird coincidence--just a few days ago I was chatting (by email) with a guy I met via the tadream web page. We were corresponding about the late 1977 USA tour. Turns out he was *at* the Boulder 1977 show...so I guess we can confirm it was actually played! I gave the guy info on the tadream list, so he might pop in and say hello sometime soon. Here's a quote from the relevant mail..... >> In answer to your question about my first experience seeing them, I was >> fortunate enough to see them in Boulder, CO on July 14, 1977 for only six >> bucks! I lived in Denver at the time and coerced my sister and one of my >> good friends to go see them with me. Needless to say, we were all completely >> blown away. They played for 3 hours with a break about halfway through. >> Included was a laserium show (similar to the cover of Encore). They only >> played 7 'songs' and the encore was 45 mins long. They played (as is their >> style) in one of the OLD auditoriums on the CU campus--much like the kind of >> places they were used to playing in Europe, with the long shape and very tall >> ceilings, old architecture stylings, etc. I bought all the tour stuff I >> could find and was hooked even more than I was before I saw the show. Much >> of 'Encore' was very true to the experience of seeing them live. I've seen >> them a couple more times since and, while they have always been good, nothing >> will compare to the original lineup with the old style of music/performance. As for the Toronto 1977 show that Mark and others mentioned, I have this (awful) tape and I think we can pretty safely say the actual date of the show was April 8, 1977, during the first leg of the tour. The music content is consistent with the first-tour dates. Also, I think the August 4, 1977 date is a mistake that sometimes happens among tape collectors in Europe and the USA--the month and day are reversed. If so, '04.08.77' to an American is April 8, but in Europe it likely would be interpreted as August 4. (A question for our Canadian contingent--does Canada use the month/day/year, or the day/month/year date model?) The Toronto show being on April 8 would make sense not only logistically in terms of geography TD's next concert, a day or two later, was the well-known Montreal Place des Artes 1977 show) but it would mean that the Boulder concert **was** the last time Froese/Franke/Baumann played live. Cheers John Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5331 Re: TD *did* play Boulder in 1977 Plumer, Scott Tue 6/24/1997 2 KB 5341 Re: TD *did* play Boulder in 1977 Mark Filipak Wed 6/25/1997 3 KB 5351 Re: TD *did* play Boulder in 1977 Plumer, Scott Wed 6/25/1997 2 KB 5353 Re: TD *did* play Boulder in 1977 Vincent Goudreault Wed 6/25/1997 3 KB 5355 Re: TD *did* play Boulder in 1977 Vincent Goudreault Wed 6/25/1997 3 KB 5361 Canadians and TD Sean Montgomery Wed 6/25/1997 2 KB 5395 Re: TD *did* play Boulder in 1977 Mark Filipak Thu 6/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 5:13 pm Subject: Pics Webpage Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Great to see the pics on the TD-webpage! Look on page 5/6, there are some Amsterdam pictures, look at how small the stage/hall is: Great! I can almost see me and Lars Jones in the front of the stage. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Hey, Is the GoldTri List Dead? Really-From: Steven Feldman You know, it just occurred to me: I haven't received a single post from Elana's GoldTri list for over two weeks. Is this e-music list kaput or did someone unsub me by accident on purpose? ;) (I did start an anti-world music/e-music thread, after all.) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5330 Re: Hey, Is the GoldTri List Dead? Steven Feldman Tue 6/24/1997 3 KB 5364 Re: Hey, Is the GoldTri List Dead? anunes@m... Wed 6/25/1997 2 KB 5436 Re: Hey, Is the GoldTri List Dead? GrafZeigen@a... Fri 6/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Hey, Is the GoldTri List Dead? Really-From: 'Roger Smith' I tried to subscribe to the GoldTri list twice with no response. What gives? Roger ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Hey, Is the GoldTri List Dead? Author: at Internet Date: 6/24/97 1:29 PM Really-From: Steven Feldman You know, it just occurred to me: I haven't received a single post from Elana's GoldTri list for over two weeks. Is this e-music list kaput or did someone unsub me by accident on purpose? ;) (I did start an anti-world music/e-music thread, after all.) -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 6:12 pm Subject: Re: TD *did* play Boulder in 1977 Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >The Toronto show being on April 8 would make sense not only logistically in >terms of geography TD's next concert, a day or two later, was the well-known >Montreal Place des Artes 1977 show) but it would mean that the Boulder concert >**was** the last time Froese/Franke/Baumann played live. It all makes sense now. It seems odd that they wait from July 12 to Aug. 4 to play another show, plus Peter's Romance 76 was recorded in July & August, which might be difficult while on tour. (Although that might explain the break) But three dates in Quebec and three in Ontario? Canadians must like 'em! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 6:24 pm Subject: Re: cognomen 'Tangerine Dream'? Really-From: TangerineC@a... I posted this message a couple of months ago, so since this subject came up again, I'll repost it. I believe in 1966 or 1967 there was an album from a group called Kaleidoscope. And the name of that album is called Tangerine Dream. Is this a coincidence? It would seem to me that if Edgar did'nt get the name from this album, it would be a very strange coincidence, since the words Tangerine Dream was not a known term before the band existed. Hmmmm..... Edgar Froese wont say where the name comes from? I think with a little musical homework, one can figure it out. It's no big mystery. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Monolight question Really-From: 'John Burek [Shopper]' <72241.2313@C...> Hello folks, Here's a quick question for any classical-music aficionados out there. Do any of the piano bits from the live TD track 'Monolight' (on 'Encore') have any kind of bearing/resemblance to 'Moonlight Sonata' or any other classical work? In writing up the live tapes column for Voyager (1976 and 1977), this question arose and I was wondering what everyone's thoughts were on that......I'm not terribly familiar with Beethoven or Mozart--can anyone help? John Burek Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5338 Re: Monolight question dbrewer@a... Tue 6/24/1997 3 KB 5417 Re: Monolight question dbrewer@a... Thu 6/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 1:34 pm Subject: ELP '77 Really-From: 'Dave Lane' 'Plumer, Scott' wrote: >> He went on to say that it was because Emerson, Lake and Palmer split up >> at that time. Consequently, ELP's US concerts were cancelled, and the >> promoters went bust. TD were caught in the fallout from this. > > Don't believe that. 1977 was ELP's biggest year: they toured and sold > out stadiums, and they didn't break up until 1980. Plus, they may have > been under contract to perform those shows, so if they did break up, > they'd have to wait until the end of the tour or face massive lawsuits. > Plus, they'd have earned a lot of money playing those shows, so they'd > have been fools to break up. They were beginning to separate (look at > Works Vol. 1) but they were still a band until 1980. Actually, they broke up in '74, and 'Works' albums were largely leftovers and solo projects, with a couple of new pieces they did after they got back together 3 years later. I heard they lost a lot of money on the '77/'78 tours. The '77 tour started out with a lot of public attention; they began touring with an orchestra and were favorably reviewed in Time magazine, but after a few shows they were losing too much money to support an orchestra. --Dave From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 2:35 am Subject: Re: cognomen 'Tangerine Dream'? Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Tue, 24 Jun 1997 14:24:06 -0400 (EDT) tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > Edgar Froese wont say where the name comes from? I think with a little >musical homework, one can figure it out. It's no big mystery. What IS it then?? Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 9:39 pm Subject: Re: TD Driving Music Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Mark Filipak > > 51:45. I typeset it to make the J-card. I was wondering if anyone had > further suggestions for TD driving music. Cheers -- Mark Several months ago, I put together a TD driving tape of my own. It fit snugly on a 90 minute tape. Here's the tracklist as I can recall it (maybe a song or two missing or out of place): Side 1: Story of the Brave Beach Theme Charly the Kid Down the Avus Hyde Park Girls on Broadway White Eagle Silver Scale Side 2: Cloudburst Flight The Jogger Running Out of Time Hyperborea (Tangents remix) Twilight Brigade Barbakane (excerpt; the 'Warsaw in the Sun' part) Yellowstone Park Kind of a broad mix, eh? Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 9:39 pm Subject: Babylon 5 suprise Really-From: Michael A Jean >From Sonic Images: About that Babylon 5 surprise ... check your email next week and find out what it is. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 10:05 pm Subject: Re: Monolight question Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: 'John Burek [Shopper]' <72241.2313@C...> > > Here's a quick question for any classical-music aficionados out there. Do any of > the piano bits from the live TD track 'Monolight' (on 'Encore') have any kind of > bearing/resemblance to 'Moonlight Sonata' or any other classical work? In > writing up the live tapes column for Voyager (1976 and 1977), this question > arose and I was wondering what everyone's thoughts were on that......I'm not > terribly familiar with Beethoven or Mozart--can anyone help? > I'm quite familiar w/ Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata, and a handful of Mozart's work. I guess that the piano bit that ends Monolight (and Invisible Limits) vaguely resembles MS, particularly at the very beginning when the chords are played as triple-meter arpeggios (like the first movement of MS is played). But I think it's just a coincedence. This brings another thing to my mind. I have 3 Tier Dream on cassette, and recall hearing some piano bits from the first disc (1976 material) that sounded alot like some of Mozart's melodies. I'm not sure if it was something they wrote inspired by Mozart, or if it was a Mozart piece that I've never heard before. Hmmm... Dave Brewer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5417 Re: Monolight question dbrewer@a... Thu 6/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 10:38 pm Subject: Re: TaDream Population Really-From: 'K.E' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > The lists that receive Tadream are: > > arpalists+music.tadream@a... > listarch+16810@l... > listsaver-of-tadream@v... > tadream-list@c... > tadream-list@e... > tadream-list@f... > tadream-news@c... > tadream@d... > tadredst@b... > tangerine-dream@i... > > so when you write fuck on this list, a lot of people will see it. :-) > > -- Mark (Sure hope my mom didn't see it) Does anybody know who are behind these lists and what`s the idea? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 11:56 pm Subject: Re: TD Driving Music Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Vic Rek > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > Hi All. A lawyer (good guy) neighbor recently moved to Houston :-( > > > > I sent him on his way driving east with a bag of my hash brownies and > > a tape of TD to use as driving music -- he was unfamiliar with TD but > > liked everything he had heard. > > Boy, what a lucky guy (the 'good' guy lawyer). Didn't even know he was > moving in next door to Edgar's cousin. He'll be in for some pleasant > surprises! (Chuckle) Unfortunately he was moving _away_ (I live in California, not Houston). I will probably never hear from him again :-( -- you know how it is when neighbors move away. Thanks for your suggestions everybody. Seems like a couple more tapes are possible. I'll post my tracklists when I work them out. Ciao -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 11:37 pm Subject: Re: TD *did* play Boulder in 1977 Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'John Burek [Shopper]' <72241.2313@C...> > > Hey folks, > > -snipped the body- Thanks John! Great work! (Doing some pioneering now I'd say.) Below is what I have so far on the 77 NA tour. Please note unknown day for Chicoutimi show, unknown venues in July, and unknown hall for the Boulder show. Also, are there any more dates to add? First North American Tour 77 Riverside Theater, Milwaukee [Tue, 29 Mar 77] Ford Auditorium, Detroit [Thu, 31 Mar 77] Convention Center Music Hall, Cleveland [Sat, 2 Apr 77] Listner Auditorium, Washington DC [Mon, 4 Apr 77] Avery Fisher Hall, New York City [Tue, 5 Apr 77] Convocation Hall, Toronto [Fri, 8 Apr 77] Place Des Arts, Montreal [Sat, 9 Apr 77] Place Des Arts, Montreal [Sun, 10 Apr 77] (broadcast by CHOM-FM) Hilton Convention Center, Quebec City [Mon, 11 Apr 77] Dufour Auditorium, Chicoutimi, Quebec Provance [ Apr 77] Paramount Theater, Seattle [Thu, 21 Apr 77] Civic Auditorium, Santa Monica [Mon, 25 Apr 77] Second North American Tour 77 , San Diego [Sat, 9 Jul 77] , Tucson [Sun, 10 Jul 77] Greek Theater, Los Angeles [Tue, 12 Jul 77] , University of Colorado, Boulder [Thu, 14 Jul 77] Thanks all -- keep the info coming! -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 12:04 am Subject: Re: TaDream Population Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'K.E' > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > The lists that receive Tadream are: > > > > arpalists+music.tadream@a... > > listarch+16810@l... > > listsaver-of-tadream@v... > > tadream-list@c... > > tadream-list@e... > > tadream-list@f... > > tadream-news@c... > > tadream@d... > > tadredst@b... > > tangerine-dream@i... > > > > -snipped bad word that my mom (Dave Datta) said I shouldn't say- > > Does anybody know who are behind these lists and what`s the idea? I checked them out and all of them go straight into a windowless building in Langley Virgina -- except for the last one. It gets uplinked to a satellite and beamed to comet Hale-Bopp. Cheers -- Mark (it's all true, I swear) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 4:19 am Subject: Various Crazy Circumstances Really-From: feldon@n... Due to circumstances beyond my control, I am forced to cancel the Harrogate 2CD project and the Logos 2CD project until a later (probably much later) date. The materials I was borrowing are being returned (Live! Improvised! -- truly an educational 2CD, it shows you just how hard Phaedra and Rubycon must've been to 'gel') plus the Harrogate material, of course!... apologies... At least I'm able to continue on the list (barring a vote). Anyway, I was corresponding with someone about the Ratikon disc and have lost their e-mail and physical address. Please contact me and I'll FedEx the payment for the disc IMMEDIATELY, if not sooner. Morgan feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5348 Re: Various Crazy Circumstances Mark Filipak Wed 6/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 4:38 am Subject: Re: new piece not given in tracklist? Really-From: feldon@n... >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > >On Sat, 21 Jun 1997 16:46:43 -0400 (EDT) tadream mailing list > wrote: >>Really-From: Gabe Yedid >> >>I took a look at the tracklist posted on TD's website for the '97 tour. >> >>Several people here who have been to the concerts, and heard the >Netcast, >>commented on a lengthy (~13 min, if memory serves) piece in set 2 > >In Bonn, the drum solo was nowhere near 13 minutes long, and was played >at the very beginning of the second set. It is untitled, and hence doesn't >appear in the tracklisting on the TD homepage. I heard this drum solo too. 13 minutes? No way. Maybe 5-7. I'm sure it's a true drum solo, so no E-ball. Just the drummer guy. I was sure that 'Drum Solo' appeared as the first item on the tracklist for set two. Well, maybe they forgot it on their webpage, but on the tadream list DURING THE WEBCAST, several tracklists were posted as people were listening to the concert. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 5:25 am Subject: Re: ELP (was something else) Really-From: Sturminatr@a... >Really-From: Mark Filipak >Perhaps this 'split-up' story was also a cover, but for ELP. Maybe >someone went into rehab is the real story. Who knows? Obviously you've never heard 'Love Beach.' Suppressing a shudder, B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 9:21 am Subject: Re: RISKY BUSINESS on LP in the USA? Since When? Really-From: TangerineC@a... What tracks are on the US Lp version of Risky Business? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5349 Re: RISKY BUSINESS on LP in the USA? Since When? Mark Filipak Wed 6/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 4:05 am Subject: Logos-Red to Logos-Blue Transition (was Re: Tangram) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > ... > I wish I could have heard this part in Tangents [updated version of > Logos-Blue], unfortunately, I don't have this album. But as I said > before--it's a work of genious, but here's something to think about > --is it credited to Chis Franke, Edgar, or Peter? Actually, the > three together make magic happen, and to this date, I have never > heard such a dramatic emotional transition into such a power > sound--whatever synthesizer they used--it makes an incredible highly > emotional sound. > > hmm.. > > Edgar = Emotion > Chis = Timing > Peter = Composition Hmmm... indeed Greg. You probably already know this by now, but Peter was long gone by the time 'Tangram' was done. The third member was Johannes. And your chart, I'd put it as: Edgar = Composition Chris = Emotion (or sentimentality to be more accurate) Johannes = Timing (and some composition, though he excelled more after he went solo and is at the top of his form with 'Songs No Words' -- dare I say that?). But to respond to your comment about the transition from Logos-Red to Logos-Blue. It's so smooth it's almost not there. Brilliant indeed! To me, Polish Dance is exceeded only by these two parts of Logos... But then again, I haven't heard Silver Scale... yet, but it's also on Tangents which I hope to have soon. Certainly with Logos and The Keep and Hyperborea and Wavelength and Poland all coming in such a short span of time .... ah, the golden age, was it not? Cheers -- Mark (as my eyes begin to mist over) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5371 Logos-Red to Logos-Blue Transition (was Re: Tangr Dennis Nigbur Wed 6/25/1997 2 KB 5379 Re: Logos-Red to Logos-Blue Transition (was Re: T Gabe Yedid Thu 6/26/1997 3 KB 5396 Re: Logos-Red to Logos-Blue Transition (was Re: T Plumer, Scott Thu 6/26/1997 2 KB 5399 Re: Logos-Red to Logos-Blue Transition (was Re: T Vincent Goudreault Thu 6/26/1997 3 KB 5443 Re: Logos-Red to Logos-Blue Transition (was Re: T Mark Filipak Sat 6/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 9:36 am Subject: Re: Various Crazy Circumstances Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: feldon@n... > > Due to circumstances beyond my control, I am forced to cancel the > Harrogate 2CD project and the Logos 2CD project until a later > (probably much later) date. The materials I was borrowing are being > returned (Live! Improvised! -- truly an educational 2CD, it shows > you just how hard Phaedra and Rubycon must've been to 'gel') plus > the Harrogate material, of course!... apologies... Too bad Morgan. I assume if you wanted to say what happened you would have. All I can say is, Can I be of assistance? Ciao -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 9:45 am Subject: Re: RISKY BUSINESS on LP in the USA? Since When? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > What tracks are on the US Lp version of Risky Business? The very same tracks as on the second UK version, all succeeding versions everywhere and the CDs. The first UK version and the US version (which was only briefly in circulation) apparently have a different version of 'Love On a Real Train.' I don't know whether this version of 'LOaRT' is just an excerpt or is a different mix -- more likely the later. At any rate, I will be able to answer this question tomorrow as I will be buying both the US version and the first issue of the UK version. Stay tuned. Regards -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 10:56 am Subject: Force Majuere Really-From: 'Greg Heil' First of all, thank you Lars for getting me this album! Well worth it! After listening to 'Force Majuere' many, many times though--I still believe 'Tangram' is the best studio album and 'Logos' the best live album. FM has that 'pop' feel or shall I say 70's sound in it. The ambient synth soundscape at the start is one of the best I have ever heard. Then we hit the piano and electric guitar.. that hits acoustic guitar for a few seconds (hmmm.. 'Rising Haul in Slience' does this with a harp) Then the greatest section comes.. with those nice sounding drums and heavy sequencer.. ahh yes, best part of the album right here.. then the train picks me up for a little ride into another world... we're going along.. Edgar is with us of course, playing guitar.. we're traveling along.. (hmmm.. maybe we're on that darn Trans Europe Express!? j/k but '78?!) then the calm of a nice traditional tune.. calm.. then boom! Disco mania! (agh! worst transition!) What were they thinking? Cute cute! :) I'll give it time.. if I give it time to play because I savoring for 'Cloudbust Flight' by then! Anyone else here love how on 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks' how the percussion swirls right in? Which part has the malfunction? (After the first few listens, I thought the last 11 minutes of the song was the malfunction, but all's well now and it's okay) Greg From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 12:11 pm Subject: Re: TD *did* play Boulder in 1977 Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Below is what I have so far on the 77 NA tour. Please note unknown day >for Chicoutimi show, unknown venues in July, and unknown hall for the >Boulder show. Also, are there any more dates to add? Several, actually. Here's the complete list of dates: 3/29 Milwaukee 3/30 Detroit 4/1 Chicago 4/2 Cleveland 4/4 Washington 4/5 NYC 4/6 Philly 4/8 Toronto 4/10 Montreal 4/11 Quebec City 4/12 Chicoutimi 4/15 Hamilton 4/16 Ottawa 4/20 Portland 4/21 Seattle 4/25 Berkeley 4/26 Santa Monica 7/9 San Diego 7/10 Tucson 7/12 LA 7/14 Boulder Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 12:29 pm Subject: Re: Second 1977 US Tour Cancellation Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 23, 6:21pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Second 1977 US Tour Cancellation > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > (...) > > Perhaps this 'split-up' story was also a cover, but for ELP. Maybe > someone went into rehab is the real story. Who knows? And at this > point it's kinda moot, eh? Cheers All -- Mark Unlikely. ELP did a second tour back then, about 8 months after the first one, without the orchestra. How long does 'rehab' takes? NP: Ricochet C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 12:51 pm Subject: Re: TD *did* play Boulder in 1977 Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 24, 1:10pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: TD *did* play Boulder in 1977 > Really-From: 'John Burek [Shopper]' <72241.2313@C...> > > (...) > likely would be interpreted as August 4. (A question for our Canadian > contingent--does Canada use the month/day/year, or the day/month/year date > model?) Officially (because of the metric system) we should be using year-month-day, however, in English, we tend to use the American approach (mmddyy) while in French, usage is day month year. We are quite confused here... NP: still Ricochet (but part II this time) C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: RISKY BUSINESS on LP in the USA, eh? Hmph! Really-From: Steven Feldman >Re: RISKY BUSINESS on LP in the USA? Since When? >Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 02:45:28 -0700 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >> Really-From: TangerineC@a... >> >> What tracks are on the US Lp version of Risky Business? > >The very same tracks as on the second UK version, all succeeding >versions everywhere and the CDs. The first UK version and the US >version (which was only briefly in circulation) apparently have a >different version of 'Love On a Real Train.' [. . .] Er, the above is a non sequitur, Mark: either the tracks are the same as 'all succeeding versions everywhere,' or 'the US version . . . apparently have a different version of 'Love on a Real Train.' Right?!? What is your source of information as the US version being only briefly available? I didn't know it came out in the USA *at all*! And I thought I had been merely joking when I compared this release to that *other* record that was 'only briefly in circulation': THE KEEP! Anyways, the alternate version of RISKY B has significant changes to three of the five tracks, and minute difference to a fourth. >[. . .] I don't know whether this >version of 'LOaRT' is just an excerpt or is a different mix -- more >likely the later. At any rate, I will be able to answer this question >tomorrow as I will be buying both the US version and the first issue of >the UK version. > >Stay tuned. [. . .] I will. And I want a full report, y'hear? ;) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5360 Re: RISKY BUSINESS on LP in the USA, eh? Hmph! David Datta Wed 6/25/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 12:57 pm Subject: Re: TD *did* play Boulder in 1977 Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 24, 2:12pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: TD *did* play Boulder in 1977 > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > (...) > > It all makes sense now. It seems odd that they wait from July 12 to Aug. > 4 to play another show, plus Peter's Romance 76 was recorded in July & > August, which might be difficult while on tour. (Although that might > explain the break) But three dates in Quebec and three in Ontario? > Canadians must like 'em! > > Scott Yes, we do! Just check how many of us Canadians are on this and how many Americans. With 1/10 the population of the USA, you'll be surprized. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5361 Canadians and TD Sean Montgomery Wed 6/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 1:52 pm Subject: re: 1977 tour info Really-From: Hammer1612@a... I am new online in the past couple of weeks and evidently missed the whole discussion on the 1977 tour, specifically the second leg before Edgar's riding accident. In corresponding with another fan, I was told there was a rather interesting debate going on here about whether or not these shows actually took place. I was actually at the Boulder show and have some info to contribute if there are any questions I can answer (beyond that it was awesome!) I have been a faithful fan of the group since Stratosphere came out and spent 10 yrs in the music biz as a buyer for a local chain of record stores in the 80s. I feel I have an interesting collection of TD stuff (including various autographs & a signed gold record award) and would love to hear from everyone since it's been a while since I ran into any real fans. Mike Surber Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5358 Re: 1977 tour info Plumer, Scott Wed 6/25/1997 2 KB 5391 Re: 1977 tour info Mark Filipak Thu 6/26/1997 3 KB 5392 Re: 1977 tour info Sean Montgomery Thu 6/26/1997 2 KB 5398 Re: 1977 tour info Plumer, Scott Thu 6/26/1997 3 KB 5400 Re: 1977 tour info Vincent Goudreault Thu 6/26/1997 3 KB 5448 Re: 1977 tour info Mark Filipak Sat 6/28/1997 3 KB 5519 Re: 1977 tour info TWeibre361@a... Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 1:45 pm Subject: unusual pressing of encore Really-From: Michael A Jean I once had an apparent mispressing of this album.... Sides 2 and 3 were completely different (with strange vocals) and Andy Summers was announced as well...I had a hard time believing it was TD, and was somewhat relieved to know it wasn't after I bought a second copy...To this day I have no idea what was really on sides 2 and 3. Has anyone else ever heard this stuff? MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 3:30 pm Subject: re: 1977 tour info Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >actually took place. I was actually at the Boulder show and have some info >to contribute if there are any questions I can answer (beyond that it was What was the venue? Macky Auditorium? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 4:01 pm Subject: Re: TaDream Population Really-From: datta@c... (David Datta) } Really-From: 'K.E' } > arpalists+music.tadream@a... } > listarch+16810@l... } > listsaver-of-tadream@v... } > tadream-news@c... } Does anybody know who are behind these lists and what`s the idea? I know exactly what several are. The 1st three above are list archiving machines that make stuff available via searches. The last one is a one-way news gateway for folks at uwp.edu so they can read the list via news instead of e-mail. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 4:09 pm Subject: Re: RISKY BUSINESS on LP in the USA, eh? Hmph! Really-From: datta@c... (David Datta) Umm didn't any of you read the posting I made last week? All of those notes were made by a-b comparison directly from all of the releases. Total music in the movie is about 30 minutes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get off the Babysitter Movie version is slightly longer than UK CD. The extension is a repeating loop. Nothing much missed. Press kit version is same as CD & movie but it cuts off sooner than the CD but the cut mirrors the 'abrupt end of fantasy' in the movie version. In the movie, he is fantasizing, stops, then calls Lana. During his call to Lana, the track continues. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lana The UK CD version is the 'complete, long version' The movie has some slightly different synth tones over the intro part & a small snippit edit near the end. The press kit version starts about 1:20 into the movie version and ends exactly where the edit happens in the movie. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Guido Movie: Length of scene same as UK CD. Music follows same general amplitude as UK CD Music differs in drum sound & all sorts of other special effects UK CD: Different Drum than movie Different guitar chords A synth sound is used in place of car tires & motor noises Press kit: cuts in about 1 minute into the full movie version some repetious short cuts are removed from beginning-middle (about 20 seconds) music otherwise the same as actual movie. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lovely real trains Press Kit version is the closing credits version, faded before the trains start. POSSIBLE that the 220 Volt version is the same as this, with the trains. 1st LP issue is the actual train sequence from the movie. UK CD/second LP issue is not in the movie. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Dream Is (not) always the same. Movie contains 2 versions of this track. The first is at the beginning of the movie, he is dreaming about walking in on a woman in the shower. The duration of this track in the movie is 3:34. The second one is during his day at school, the day after getting Lana. Duration 1:51. The 1st LP issue version is an edit of the first movie occurance. It ends at the end of the movie version. The UK CD version is not in the movie. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Goodsen's return home. Movie version starts, runs about 30 seconds, then the 'catching the egg' cue, followed by this track again. Press kit version contains the second occurance sequence. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 24, 1997 6:40 am Subject: Canadians and TD Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > But three dates in Quebec and three in Ontario? > > Canadians must like 'em! Most people I know are only aware of 'that music during the train scene in Risky Business'. But nonetheless, both of the shows I've seen them do here in Toronto were packed, so the fans are definitely out there. Or perhaps they were just frustrated Pink Floyd fans looking for a place to space out. I was definited taken aback when I was walking down Toronto's 'main drag' (Yonge Street) about four years ago, and some guy in a convertable had 'Big City Dwarves playing, cranked up to 10. You don't see *that* very often! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: David Datta's Comments re RISKY BUSINESS Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: RISKY BUSINESS on LP in the USA, eh? Hmph! >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:09:04 -0500 >Really-From: datta@c... (David Datta) > >Umm didn't any of you read the posting I made last week? Yes. That doesn't mean we understood it all. ;) >All of those notes were made by a-b comparison directly from all of the >releases. 'All'? I think not. There's not a single mention of the US LP. >Get off the Babysitter >Movie version is slightly longer than UK CD. [. . .] >Lana >The UK CD version is the 'complete, long version' >Guido >Movie: > Length of scene same as UK CD. > Music follows same general amplitude as UK CD >UK CD: > Different Drum than movie > Different guitar chords > A synth sound is used in place of car tires & motor noises >Lovely real trains >1st LP issue is the actual train sequence from the movie. If you mean '1st LP issue' in general, this is wrong, since-- according to a recent post, the US LP is not the same as the first issue. >UK CD/second LP issue is not in the movie. >The Dream Is (not) always the same. >The 1st LP issue version is an edit of the first movie occurance. It >ends at the end of the movie version. Ditto above? >The UK CD version is not in the movie. >Goodsen's return home. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5368 Re: David Datta's Comments re RISKY BUSINESS David Datta Wed 6/25/1997 2 KB 5446 Re: David Datta's Comments re RISKY BUSINESS Mark Filipak Sat 6/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Faithful Fan of the Group Since Stratosphere Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: re: 1977 tour info >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:52:05 -0400 (EDT) >Really-From: Mike Surber > >[. . .] I have been a faithful fan of the group since Stratosphere came >out and spent 10 yrs in the music biz as a buyer for a local chain of >record stores in the 80s. I feel I have an interesting collection of >TD stuff (including various autographs & a signed gold record award) and >would love to hear from everyone since it's been a while since I ran >into any real fans. Uh, Mike? Do you have THE KEEP soundtrack? If so, folks here would love to get a tape, DAT, CD, CD-R, or whathaveyou of it, along with photocopies of the covers. Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5370 Re: Faithful Fan of the Group Since Stratosphere Sean Montgomery Wed 6/25/1997 2 KB 5389 Re: Faithful Fan of the Group Since Stratosphere Mark Filipak Thu 6/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 9:07 pm Subject: Re: Hey, Is the GoldTri List Dead? Really-From: anunes@m... Steven Feldman wrote: << You know, it just occurred to me: I haven't received a single post from Elana's GoldTri list for over two weeks. Is this e-music list kaput or did someone unsub me by accident on purpose? ;) >> Lately I've been receiving 0 to 2 GoldTri messages a day, sometimes a message with no body (only the header), sometimes the same message twice... some server problems I suppose. You can send a 'who' message to majordomo@a..., to find out if you are still subscribed. Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 5:13 pm Subject: Re: Canadians and TD Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 25, 12:40pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Canadians and TD > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > (...) > > I was definited taken aback when I was walking down Toronto's 'main drag' > (Yonge Street) about four years ago, and some guy in a convertable had > 'Big City Dwarves playing, cranked up to 10. You don't see *that* very > often! Welcome to Canada, where even complete morons in convertible have class ! ;-) C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 5:19 pm Subject: Re: cognomen 'Tangerine Dream'? Really-From: TangerineC@a... O.k. the question of 'How did TD get there name?' keeps coming up and has been answered numerous times. So i'll keep posting this until it gets through to everyone. Ready? O.k. Pay attention class... : < In 1966 or 1967 there was an album from a group called Kaleidoscope. And the name of that album is called Tangerine Dream. Is this a coincidence? It would seem to me that if Edgar did'nt get the name from this album, it would be a very strange coincidence, since the words Tangerine Dream was not a known term before the band existed. Hmmmm..... Edgar Froese wont say where the name comes from? I think with a little musical homework, one can figure it out. It's no big mystery.< O.k.? so there should be no more questions. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 5:24 pm Subject: Re: TD Driving Music Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-06-24 15:38:47 EDT, you write: >>I sent him on his way driving east with a bag of my hash brownies and a >>tape of TD to use as driving music I hope he wasnt driving while eating the brownies. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 6:25 pm Subject: Re: David Datta's Comments re RISKY BUSINESS Really-From: datta@c... (David Datta) } 'All'? I think not. There's not a single mention of the US LP. The US LP is the same music exactly as the 1st UK/US/New Zealand issue of the LP. } If you mean '1st LP issue' in general, this is wrong, since-- } according to a recent post, the US LP is not the same as the first issue. The difference between the UK 1st issue and the US LP is the labels. The difference between the New Zealand issue and the UK issue is a slight speed difference. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 4:34 pm Subject: Availability of Tournado CD Really-From: draco@g... Excuse me if this has already been discussed and I missed it (I was out of town), but does anyone know if the new TD Tournado CD is supposed to be released in the US, or will it be an import only from here? Thanks! Gary P. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 6:54 pm Subject: Re: Faithful Fan of the Group Since Stratosphere Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Uh, Mike? > Do you have THE KEEP soundtrack? > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Uh, Steve..you're not...like, obsessed about this Keep thing by any chance, are you? ;-) Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 3:25 am Subject: Logos-Red to Logos-Blue Transition (was Re: Tangram) Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:05:15 -0700 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >And your chart, I'd put it as: > >Edgar = Composition >Chris = Emotion (or sentimentality to be more accurate) >Johannes = Timing (and some composition, though he excelled more > after he went solo and is at the top of his form with > 'Songs No Words' -- dare I say that?). Would you like my version?? Edgar - Heart Chris - Skeleton Johannes - Blood. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5379 Re: Logos-Red to Logos-Blue Transition (was Re: T Gabe Yedid Thu 6/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 11:24 pm Subject: F*ck! Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all, >so when you write f*ck on this list, a lot of people will see it. :-) >- -- Mark (Sure hope my mom didn't see it) Mark's Mom here : I did, Mark, and your grounded! And, what's more, when I get home home, young man, I'm going to wash your mouth out with Carbolic soap! Now get up to your room and stop listening to all of that silly 'plinky, plinky' music. Cheers Mark's Mom... T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5386 Re: F*ck! Mark Filipak Thu 6/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 11:25 pm Subject: Web pages Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all, Please excuse the shameless plug but ... In response to some feedback from some kind folks on a number of lists, we've revised the way our web pages look and feel. Plus, there's lots of new pictures from the EMMA set and the gallery has been simplified to avoid length download times. Please let us know what you think... Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 11:25 pm Subject: Is Goldtri dead? Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all (again) >Really-From: 'Roger Smith' > > I tried to subscribe to the GoldTri list twice with no response. > > What gives? Goldtri looks like it's on it's way out : it was thriving but I think too many people started bitchin' about what they didn't like. Is Elana still at the helm? Hello, Elana, please come back... Lurve.... Anxious of Newcastle T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5385 Re: Is Goldtri dead? Mark Filipak Thu 6/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 11:25 pm Subject: Newcastle City Hall Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all, >Really-From: 'Roger Smith' > > I've been listening to a very exciting fan tape of TD at Newcastle > City Hall, October 25, 1981. > > Can anyone venture a tracklisting for this portion of the 1981 Exit > tour in Britain? I am soooo jealous : this was a year before I discovered TD properly and I missed 'em. (!Bummer * n^n : factorial bummer by n to the power n i.e somewhat irritated... :) ) Anyone else got a tape of this event they want to trade for something nice? Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 25, 1997 11:25 pm Subject: Edgar the vampire Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all, >The impression that I got the first time I saw Edgar was that he didn't >at all look like a musician (Goblins Club), but much more like a truck >driver. > >And now I see that he actually IS a truckdriver!! We watched that Tarrentino slash-fest 'Dusk to Dawn' the other night and, in between the vicera and bits of exploded human, there was a trucker type who looked a bit like Edgar... maybe he's a film extra too... Yee Gad! I hope Edgar doesn't read this. That's one less TB album sold! Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5380 Re: Edgar the vampire Gabe Yedid Thu 6/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 12:58 am Subject: Out to prove we Keep Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: Sean Montgomery >> Uh, Mike? >> Do you have THE KEEP soundtrack? > >> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >> OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. >> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >Uh, Steve..you're not...like, obsessed about this Keep thing by any >chance, are you? ;-) > I'd say he is, but we all choose our battles. I'd vote that Risky Business is his second obsession. Heh Heh. But then again, some of us are just plain obsessed (sorry Steven - buddy?). Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 1:03 am Subject: The Video Dream Mixes Really-From: Vic Rek What goes? I've heard it's around in laser disc, but is it (or will it) be out in VHS format in the US? Anybody in North America have this? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8697 The Video Dream Mixes matt knudson Fri 11/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 2:35 am Subject: Re: Logos-Red to Logos-Blue Transition (was Re: Tangram) Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > > On Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:05:15 -0700 tadream mailing list > wrote: > > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > >And your chart, I'd put it as: > > > >Edgar = Composition > >Chris = Emotion (or sentimentality to be more accurate) > >Johannes = Timing (and some composition, though he excelled more > > after he went solo and is at the top of his form with > > 'Songs No Words' -- dare I say that?). > > Would you like my version?? > > Edgar - Heart > Chris - Skeleton > Johannes - Blood. > > Dennis > To make a less, ah, visceral analogy... Chris = form Edgar = colour Johannes = shaping In terms of this whole 'who is emotion' debate, I have been of the opinion in recent years that Edgar's solo works (especially _BtS_ and later) have a more overt emotional quality I find lacking in the TD albums. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 2:40 am Subject: Re: Edgar the vampire Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > > Hello all, > We watched that Tarrentino slash-fest 'Dusk to Dawn' the other night and, > in between the vicera and bits of exploded human, there was a trucker type > who looked a bit like Edgar... maybe he's a film extra too... > > Yee Gad! I hope Edgar doesn't read this. That's one less TB album sold! You know, I had a dream once where Edgar was indeed a vampire...it was at the Dali museum in St. Petersburg, Fla. All the young ladies seemed drawn to something in the smaller rear gallery, so I went to check it out...and there was Ed, red-faced (like only a vampire can be) and quite satiated, with at least 15 swooning, wan young women around him, bite marks on all their necks. On a lighter note, I have also had this dream where I was walking in downtown Montreal with a lady friend, and 'Twilight Brigade' was coming from every car that passed by. As I stand there transfixed with wonderment at how popular it suddenly became--'Gabe, what IS that music?' my friend asks... > Cheers > David Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 2:46 am Subject: Who is that HUGE guy? Really-From: Gabe Yedid On page 1 of the tour pictures TD put up at their web site? That's not Emil Hachfeld, is it? He looks rather different from the dude playing the drums on the other pages. But jeez! I thought Ed was supposed to be tall, and this one looks like he's got at least a head-and-half on Ed, Jerome, and Zlatko! NP: TD--Firestarter OST (I notice I tend to like the smoother, mellow Dream) Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 2:48 am Subject: Canadian availability of Oasis video? Really-From: Gabe Yedid Have any of my fellow Canucks managed to find a place that carries the Oasis video? Sam The Record Man in downtown Montreal doesn't have it. Still listening to _Firestarter_ Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5384 Re: Canadian availability of Oasis video? Sean Montgomery Thu 6/26/1997 2 KB 5412 Re: Canadian availability of Oasis video? Gabe Yedid Thu 6/26/1997 2 KB 5413 Re: Canadian availability of Oasis video? Sean Montgomery Thu 6/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 2:50 am Subject: Cedar Breaks Really-From: Gabe Yedid #3 in this lastest message binge... The more I listen to _Oasis_, the more I'm convinced that 'Cedar Breaks' is the second coming of 'Mysterious Semblance'. I think Dennis N. had it spot on when he said that this was very much in the spirit of the forgotten directions of 70s TD. Just think about it, replace all those string sounds with Mellotrons, add in wind and phasing effects, and what have you got? Can you believe I'm still on _Firestarter_? Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 11410 Re: Cedar Breaks Francisco Salgado C. Wed 2/25/1998 2 KB 11419 Re: Cedar Breaks Greg Heil Wed 2/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 2:55 am Subject: Re: Canadian availability of Oasis video? Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Have any of my fellow Canucks managed to find a place that carries the > Oasis video? Sam The Record Man in downtown Montreal doesn't have it. No luck here in Toronto! Mind you, I'd rather skip the video and go for the disk. When's *that* coming out in wide release? I mean, I'm sure the video is nice, but so was Canyon Dreams, and I don't get the urge to pop that in the VCR anymore! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5412 Re: Canadian availability of Oasis video? Gabe Yedid Thu 6/26/1997 2 KB 5413 Re: Canadian availability of Oasis video? Sean Montgomery Thu 6/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 3:14 am Subject: Re: Is Goldtri dead? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > Hello all (again) > > >Really-From: 'Roger Smith' > > > > I tried to subscribe to the GoldTri list twice with no response. > > > > What gives? > > Goldtri looks like it's on it's way out : it was thriving but I think > too many people started bitchin' about what they didn't like. Is Elana > still at the helm? Hello, Elana, please come back... > > Lurve.... > Anxious of Newcastle Hi All. I have a music 'rating' system. I've worked on it for about 10 years (off and on). It's 1/2 emotion and 1/2 structure. You put stars according to a 'method.' It's not triangular. It works for ALL music. The patterns determine what's close and what's far apart, musically and emotionally. I sent it to Elana three times (in different forms). She never even acknowledged me. Would anyone like to see it? Cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 3:21 am Subject: Re: F*ck! Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > Hello all, > > >so when you write f*ck on this list, a lot of people will see it. :-) > > >- -- Mark (Sure hope my mom didn't see it) > > Mark's Mom here : I did, Mark, and your grounded! And, what's more, > when I get home home, young man, I'm going to wash your mouth out > with Carbolic soap! > > Now get up to your room and stop listening to all of that silly > 'plinky, plinky' music. > > Cheers > Mark's Mom... Okay Mom. Just don't tell anyone your maiden name, okay? -- Your Loving Son, Whatisname. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 3:25 am Subject: Re: Electronic mailing lists? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: agarner@n... > > Can anyone tell me if there is a mailing list apart from tadream that > discussses EM by other artists as well as TD? Check out: http://www.shadow.net/~mwaas/lomml.html Cheers and hope this gets ya what ya want. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 3:39 am Subject: Re: cognomen 'Tangerine Dream'? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > O.k. the question of 'How did TD get there name?' keeps coming up and > has been answered numerous times. So i'll keep posting this until it > gets through to everyone. Ready? O.k. Pay attention class... : Amm.... Teacher. May I be excused. I gotta take a leak. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 3:56 am Subject: Re: Faithful Fan of the Group Since Stratosphere Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Subject: re: 1977 tour info > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > >Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:52:05 -0400 (EDT) > >Really-From: Mike Surber > > > > [. . .] I have been a faithful fan of the group since Stratosphere > > came out and spent 10 yrs in the music biz as a buyer for a local > > chain of record stores in the 80s. I feel I have an interesting > > collection of TD stuff (including various autographs & a signed > > gold record award) and would love to hear from everyone since it's > > been a while since I ran into any real fans. You've come to the right place, Mike! > Uh, Mike? > Do you have THE KEEP soundtrack? If so, folks here would love to > get a tape, DAT, CD, CD-R, or whathaveyou of it, along with photocopies > of the covers. Steve, when you finally find a copy of 'The Keep' here's what I suggest you do. Make a CDR with a bogus, blank, extra track. Write the CDR one track at a time along with the bogus, blank, extra track. Then don't close the session. Make a bunch of CDRs that way and sell them for $400 each. Since the session was never closed, anyone will have a hell of a hard time trying to make a duplicate of the CDR -- nearly impossible. Tell people to play the CDR by programming their players to play all of it except the last, bogus track. That way their CD players won't hit the end and go nuts. You will have a profitable, last laugh. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 4:21 am Subject: Re: A Time For Heroes Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Jim Moore > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >A Time For Heroes -- what I know about it: > >Questions: > >1- Does TD or Meatloaf play during the vocal? > >2- Does just Brian May sing during the vocal or does Meatloaf sing too > > (I'm ignorant -- is Meatloaf a singer too?) > >3- Did Meatloaf write this or did TD write it? > > Brian May plays guitar and Meatload sings on the vocal version > without TD. TD plays on the instrumental versions without May > or Meatloaf. > > And I believe Jon Lyons wrote both the music and the lyrics. > > Hope I've helped. Thanks Jim. Yes, you helped. Can anyone confirm Jon Lyons? This is such a killer concert piece, I can't believe TD didn't write it. Cheers -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5618 Re: A Time For Heroes Dave Steiner Thu 7/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 4:10 am Subject: Re: 1977 tour info Really-From: Mark Filipak Okay folks. Here's the list of questionables so far (full list available on request): First North American Tour 77 Ford Auditorium, Detroit [Thu, 31 Mar 77] or was this on the 30th? , Chicago [Fri, 1 Apr 77] anybody know the hall? , Philadelphia [Wed, 6 Apr 77] anybody know the hall? Place Des Arts, Montreal [Sat, 9 Apr 77] TD played here on the 10th (CHOM-FM simulcast), but did they also play Montreal on the 9th? , Hamilton, Ontario Provance [Fri, 15 Apr 77] anybody know the hall? , Ottawa [Sat, 16 Apr 77] anybody know the hall? , Portland, Oregon [Wed, 20 Apr 77] anybody know the hall? , Berkeley, California [Mon, 25 Apr 77] anybody know the hall? Civic Auditorium, Santa Monica [Mon, 25 Apr 77] this date conflicts with Berkeley. They can't both have been played on the 25th. Second North American Tour 77 , San Diego [Sat, 9 Jul 77] anybody know the hall? , Tucson [Sun, 10 Jul 77] anybody know the hall? , University of Colorado, Boulder [Thu, 14 Jul 77] anybody know the hall? I have one vote so far for Macky Auditorium. Please note: These are just the questionables. The unquestioned ones have been omitted for brevity. Thanks -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5392 Re: 1977 tour info Sean Montgomery Thu 6/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 5:39 am Subject: Re: 1977 tour info Really-From: Sean Montgomery > , Hamilton, Ontario Provance [Fri, 15 Apr 77] > anybody know the hall? That would be 'Hamilton Place' Oh, and it's just Hamilton, Ontario. Ontario is a province of Canada. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 4:26 am Subject: Re: Warsaw Pictures on TD Webpage Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > ... > I wonder what Jerome's listening to on that CD player... he's really > banging his hair around! JS Bach 'Cantata in E-minor for harpsicord.' -- Mark (just kidding) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 8:46 am Subject: E-mail Address Change Really-From: 'Morgan Marks' Effective immediately, my e-mail account 'feldon@n...' is no longer accessible by me. Please use the address 'morgan_m@h...'. This is retroactive from midnight Tuesday, so please re-send any private messages. Also, could some please privately e-mail me the subscription address for tadream? I keep forgetting it. Let's hope that Hotmail isn't too painfully slow for reading tadream. Morgan morgan_m@h... p.s. Still looking for the owner of that Ratikon disc, if you haven't already sold it. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 11:23 am Subject: Re: TD *did* play Boulder in 1977 Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >... three dates in Quebec and three in Ontario? > > Canadians must like 'em! > > Yes, we do! Just check how many of us Canadians are on this and how > many Americans. With 1/10 the population of the USA, you'll be > surprized. There are so many of your countrymen on the list because you Canadian fellows are 10 times crazier than we Americans are. It's hockey that does it. You're all just hockey mad. You'd never hear of people from San Jose, California being so crazy. We prefer reading, and long walks holding hands, and intimate dinners -- stuff like that. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 12:47 pm Subject: RE: Logos-Red to Logos-Blue Transition (was Re: Tangram) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Would you like my version?? >Edgar - Heart >Chris - Skeleton >Johannes - Blood. Or mine? Ed: superego Chris: ego Johannes: id or Ed: thesis Chris: antithesis Johannes: synthesis or Ed: Father Chris: Holy Spirit Johannes: Son Am I reaching here? :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: TD: A Most Excellent Obsession (was THE KEEP & RISKY B) Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Out to prove we Keep >Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:58:18 -0400 (EDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Vic Rek > >>Really-From: Sean Montgomery >>> Uh, Mike? >>> Do you have THE KEEP soundtrack? >> >>> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >>> OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. >>> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >>Uh, Steve..you're not...like, obsessed about this Keep thing by any >>chance, are you? ;-) Yes. I have, after all, been told that it doesn't exist for thirteen years, now--after having held a copy in my hands on the week of its release. It's not so much the music that I am interested in anymore so much as proving to all the Doubting Thomases that I was right. I am obsessive, true, but also tenacious, stubborn, and thorough. >I'd say he is, but we all choose our battles. [. . .] Since it's a battle I could eventually win, why not? The only way I 'lose' is if I don't procure a copy or find someone on this list who does. I know it's out there. People have it. It's just that the folks who have it don't have net access and aren't the hardcore type fans who correspond with other hardcore fans--who, in turn, would spread the word that the Holy Grail of TD-dom had been found. Call me Percival. >[. . .] I'd vote that Risky Business is his second obsession. Heh Heh. Again, I'm the one who discovered the existence of the variant mixes so that the info was entered into VOICES IN THE DUNES (at that time slated to be named MUSIC IN THE RUINS)--with two or three errors, I might add, through no fault of my own. Also, I suspect that I'm one of the few here who has the RISKY BUSINESS AUDIO KIT (only missing about five minutes of the two-record set) in anywhere decent condition copied onto cassette (I believe the copy is second generation, since the person who taped it for me used to have the kit himself). >[. . .] But then again, some of us are just plain obsessed [. . .] Obsessed, yes, but obsessional, too. I collected comic books for 25 years, Bruce Lee stuff for 4 years, David Bowie stuff for 6 years, Japanese animation for 8 years, Tangerine Dream stuff for 13 years, and now it's UFO abduction literature--for almost 2 years, now. But all this obsessing has resulted in my going to library school and getting a masters in what is in many respects, Obsessionism. ;) Then again, I saw what may be UFOs in New Mexico in 1978 and I don't carry on about it, so that's one thing I'm not obsessional about. In closing, it would be more accurate to say that I am greatly informed re THE KEEP and RISKY BUSINESS, since re the former, I'm the only one on the list who's seen one, and re the latter, I discovered the remixes and have a copy of most of the audio kit. >[. . .] (sorry Steven - buddy?). Nope. Sorry. All bets are off, now. I'm going to throw a Grade A, First Class David Hughes-style tantrum and never aknowledge your existence again. ;) Hee hee. Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Emdreams, CNI News, Contact ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Forum, _PEER_ Perspectives, ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ the Nausicaa list, Tadream, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ & Hong Kong Film Connection ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: sfeldman@w... ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5422 Re: TD: A Most Excellent Obsession (was THE KEEP Hermes Guzman Fri 6/27/1997 3 KB 5425 Re: TD: A Most Excellent Obsession (was THE KEEP PNaunton@a... Fri 6/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 1:13 pm Subject: Re: 1977 tour info Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Okay folks. Here's the list of questionables so far (full list >available on request): Rather than do each one on Mark's post, I'll just re-post my list with the venues added: 3/29 Milwaukee - Riverside Th. 3/30 Detroit - Ford Aud. 4/1 Chicago - Aragon Ballroom 4/2 Cleveland - Music Hall 4/4 Washington - Lisner Aud. 4/5 NYC - Avery Fisher Hall 4/6 Philly - Town Th. (Or maybe this was the Tower Th.? Anyone from Philly?) 4/8 Toronto - Convocation Hall 4/10 Montreal - Palais des Arts 4/11 Quebec City - Hilton Convention Ctr. 4/12 Chicoutimi - Dufour Aud. 4/15 Hamilton - Hamilton Place 4/16 Ottawa - Civic Center 4/20 Portland - Paramount Th. 4/21 Seattle - dunno. Paramount Th.? 4/25 Berkeley - Community Th. 4/26 Santa Monica - Civic Aud. 7/9 San Diego - Civic Th. 7/10 Tucson - Community Th. 7/12 LA - Greek Th. 7/14 Boulder - Macky Aud.? I have my sources checking on this one for me. 'Th' is short for 'Theater,' BTW. 'BTW' is short for 'By the Way.' :-) Scott P.S. All this is in my book, of course. ('P.S.' is short for 'post scriptum.') From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 1:19 pm Subject: Re: Logos-Red to Logos-Blue Transition (was Re: Tangram) Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 26, 8:47am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: RE: Logos-Red to Logos-Blue Transition (was Re: Tangram) > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > > >Would you like my version?? > > >Edgar - Heart > >Chris - Skeleton > >Johannes - Blood. > > Or mine? > > Ed: superego > Chris: ego > Johannes: id > > or > Ed: thesis > Chris: antithesis > Johannes: synthesis > > or > Ed: Father > Chris: Holy Spirit > Johannes: Son > > Am I reaching here? :-) > > Scott >-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list Some of us are in dire need of vacations... And Mark was saying *us* Canucks are 10 times crazier than Americans... HA! NP: Antarktis (the TD bootleg) C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 1:36 pm Subject: Re: 1977 tour info Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 26, 9:13am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: 1977 tour info > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >Okay folks. Here's the list of questionables so far (full list > >available on request): > > Rather than do each one on Mark's post, I'll just re-post my list with > the venues added: > (...) > 4/10 Montreal - Palais des Arts Make that 'Place des Arts', Scott. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 1:13 pm Subject: TD Internet Resources Really-From: 'SIDEX SA - CENTRUL DE CALCUL' Hi dreamers, Would it be too much to ask for a TD Internet resources 'poll' (i.e. web pages,ftp sites etc) ? You can never trust search engines entirely ! Thank you, Bogdan-Romania From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 1:41 pm Subject: Re: Oasis Video Really-From: Michael A Jean I've heard the PAL version is available in Europe, but I haven't seen a VHS copy anywhere either.... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 1:40 pm Subject: Re: Chicago 1977 Really-From: Michael A Jean I wasn't there, but I think the venue was the Aragon Ballroom... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 3:17 pm Subject: Change of Address Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 The observant amongst you may have noticed a change in my 'sig', indicating that I have a new e-mail address - namely craig.cordrey@g... This is effective immediately, although the any mail sent to the old address will get forwarded to me for the next month or so. Later, ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 4:40 pm Subject: Re: Warsaw Pictures on TD Webpage Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > ... > > I wonder what Jerome's listening to on that CD player... he's really > > banging his hair around! > > JS Bach 'Cantata in E-minor for harpsicord.' Probably my CD, Impulse, I gave Edgar!! Marcel (To experience the same Jerome experienced you have to got to:) Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 6:46 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream Discography Really-From: TangerineC@a... Hey! A lot or all of you probably know about this, but here's the web address anyway: http://www.cs.uit.no/Music/ViewGrp?grp_id=111 Anyone can either add or delete albums that are on the web page itself. Check it out, and add some albums if you like, or change some mistakes. Take care and have fun! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32152 Tangerine Dream Discography René Brenner Tue 2/12/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 6:58 pm Subject: Green Desert Really-From: Alexander Bjelke Hi all, I got 'Green Desert' today, and I was actually a bit surprised that (some of?) the material on this album is supposed to be from 1973. It must be heavy remixed, because it don't sound like any of the other 'pink' albums. Though what really matters is that GD is a very very good album, and I absolutely love the real drums. I can't see why TD used that plastic sounding synth drums on f.ex Hyperborea. GD sounds really slick compared Alpha Centauri etc, and is there really something at all of the original recording left in GD?? It sounds really 'virgin' to me..... Best regards Alexander Bjelke Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5414 Re: Green Desert Marcel Engels Thu 6/26/1997 3 KB 5429 Re: Green Desert Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 6/27/1997 3 KB 5427 Re: Green Desert Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 6/27/1997 3 KB 5441 Re: Green Desert Mark Filipak Sat 6/28/1997 2 KB 5456 Re: Green Desert Plumer, Scott Sat 6/28/1997 2 KB 5480 Re: Green Desert Mark Filipak Sun 6/29/1997 3 KB 5487 Re: Green Desert Mark Filipak Sun 6/29/1997 3 KB 14823 Green Desert Tom Resident Sun 6/21/1998 2 KB 14826 Re: Green Desert Tom Resident Sun 6/21/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 7:07 pm Subject: Re: VOICES IN THE DUNES: Online/CD-ROM?!? Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-06-23 05:13:53 EDT, you write: >And before selling it for >less I'd rather give it away to some moneyless fan in the east or other >frieds. Hey! I'm a moneyless fan! E-mail me. Thanks. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 7:09 pm Subject: Oasis in the USA??? Really-From: TangerineC@a... When will it get here? Anyone know? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 7:11 pm Subject: Bootlegs Really-From: TangerineC@a... If anyone is looking to get rid of some of there bootleg TD Cd's, and want to sell it to me, e-mail me with price at TangerineC@a... Thanks. Tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5438 Re: Bootlegs GrafZeigen@a... Fri 6/27/1997 2 KB 6633 Bootlegs TangerineC@a... Fri 8/15/1997 3 KB 7591 Bootlegs John Christian Thu 10/9/1997 3 KB 7596 Re: Bootlegs vs. Pirates, sounds like a football feldon@p... Wed 10/8/1997 5 KB 7623 Re: Bootlegs vs. Pirates, sounds like a football John Christian Thu 10/9/1997 5 KB 7602 Re: Bootlegs Plumer, Scott Wed 10/8/1997 4 KB 7618 Re: Bootlegs John Christian Thu 10/9/1997 7 KB 13221 Bootlegs Steve Jenkins Tue 4/21/1998 3 KB 13223 Re: Bootlegs SRiser3600 Tue 4/21/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 2:20 am Subject: More Midi Files Really-From: Philip Meyer Hi everyone, Some time ago, I posted a midi of Poland. Well, I recently discovered two more midi files. Is there anyone interested in hearing them - shall I post them on this list? The two midi's are: Chonozon Tiergarten Phil -------------Phil Meyer-------------- phil@h... amarok@c... ------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5415 Re: More Midi Files Philip Meyer Thu 6/26/1997 2 KB 5428 Re: More Midi Files Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 6/27/1997 3 KB 5457 Re: More Midi Files anunes@m... Sat 6/28/1997 2 KB 5467 Re: More Midi Files Alexander Bjelke Sat 6/28/1997 3 KB 5471 Re: More Midi Files Vic Rek Sat 6/28/1997 2 KB 5478 Re: More Midi Files Alexander Bjelke Sun 6/29/1997 3 KB 5479 Re: More Midi Files Mark Filipak Sun 6/29/1997 2 KB 5493 Re: More Midi Files Francisco Salgado C. Sun 6/29/1997 2 KB 5609 Re: More Midi Files Philip Meyer Thu 7/3/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 7:13 pm Subject: Re: Canadian availability of Oasis video? Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > No luck here in Toronto! Mind you, I'd rather skip the video and go for > the disk. When's *that* coming out in wide release? I mean, I'm sure the > video is nice, but so was Canyon Dreams, and I don't get the urge to pop > that in the VCR anymore! Well, I got somebody to copy the album for me, so I don't have to worry about that anymore ;P There are a couple of tracks that I think would go better with the images ('Zion' in particular), and I'd like to see just how it is (or not) they complement each other. If memory serves, the video can be ordered from Camera One in Seattle, right? But that exchange is a killer. > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5413 Re: Canadian availability of Oasis video? Sean Montgomery Thu 6/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 7:34 pm Subject: Re: Canadian availability of Oasis video? Really-From: Sean Montgomery > If memory serves, the video can be ordered from Camera One in Seattle, > right? > > But that exchange is a killer. I have a better story! I ordered Canyon Dreams from Filmhaus Munchen, via the old TD International Fan Club. I waited forever, and when I finally got it, it came in PAL format! At the time, sending it back did not appear to be an option. They didn't seem to understand English, and I was afraid I wouldn't get to hear it at all, so I had it converted to NTSC, and gasped when I got the whopping bill. Then, a couple of years later Miramar picked it up and it became available everywhere for 15 bucks. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 8:18 pm Subject: Re: Green Desert Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > > > Hi all, > > I got 'Green Desert' today, and I was actually a bit surprised that > (some of?) the material on this album is supposed to be from 1973. It > must be heavy remixed, because it don't sound like any of the other > 'pink' albums. Though what really matters is that GD is a very very good > album, and I absolutely love the real drums. I can't see why TD used > that plastic sounding synth drums on f.ex Hyperborea. GD sounds really > slick compared Alpha Centauri etc, and is there really something at all > of the original recording left in GD?? When I got home from work today, my father was playing Green Desert real loud. He says it's his fav. TD-album together with Coldwater Canyon from Encore. I guess it's the rock-elements that he likes (me too!) The album was recorded in '83/'84(?), somewhere around the album Poland. Maybe the ideas were from '73 but it was definitely not played then. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... (I'm now fooling around with MPEG 3, so expect better samples soon) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5429 Re: Green Desert Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 6/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 8:20 pm Subject: Re: More Midi Files Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Really-From: Philip Meyer Hi everyone, Some time ago, I posted a midi of Poland. Well, I recently discovered two more midi files. Is there anyone interested in hearing them - shall I post them on this list? The two midi's are: Chonozon Tiergarten Phil I'm definitely interested! Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 8:33 pm Subject: Dali Muesum Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all, >You know, I had a dream once where Edgar was indeed a vampire...it was at >the Dali museum in St. Petersburg, Fla. All the young ladies seemed >drawn to something in the smaller rear gallery, so I went to check it >out...and there was Ed, red-faced (like only a vampire can be) and quite >satiated, with at least 15 swooning, wan young women around him, bite >marks on all their necks. Gabe, man, coincidence or what? I've went to the Dali Muesum back in 1979 when I was on holiday. I got my head totally into the Dali thing and remember reading about this band called 'Tangerine Drum' or something. They were also featured in a magazine called 'Omni' which I found at the same time and they were deemed to be creating the 'music of the future'. Little did I know that Edgar and Dali were pals! Very clear memories of this event. Spooky or what? Regards David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5473 Re: Dali Muesum Gabe Yedid Sat 6/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 9:54 pm Subject: Re: Monolight question Really-From: dbrewer@a... I said: > > This brings another thing to my mind. I have 3 Tier Dream on cassette, > and recall hearing some piano bits from the first disc (1976 material) > that sounded alot like some of Mozart's melodies. > Actually, I meant to say Me-Rad (specifically the second track). It even goes into that same piano part that ends Invisible Limits and Monolight. I'm thinking it wasn't really Mozart music, but it had a similar flavor. Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 10:06 pm Subject: [BTH] Where's the new issue?? Really-From: dbrewer@a... For all of the other _Beyond The Horizon_ subscribers here... Have you received the next issue yet?? I'm still waiting for my copy, and was wondering... Dave Brewer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5423 Re: Where's the new issue?? Robert Grabowsky Fri 6/27/1997 2 KB 5424 Re: Where's the new issue?? Vincent Goudreault Fri 6/27/1997 3 KB 5440 Re: Where's the new issue?? TWeibre361@a... Sat 6/28/1997 2 KB 5461 Re: Where's the new issue?? Vic Rek Sat 6/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 10:18 am Subject: TD driving music suggestions Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... Dreamers I've found Wavelength and Flashpoint particularly great for driving late at night on HWY 101 north of Santa Barbara. Probably even better with Mark F's treats. Mark? --teiwaz Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5442 Re: TD driving music suggestions Mark Filipak Sat 6/28/1997 2 KB 5449 TD driving music suggestions teiwazbarana@u... Sat 6/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 1:29 am Subject: Berlin 87 - Caspian Sea & Sunnyvale Really-From: Mark Filipak About the Berlin 87 show that was broadcast on 22 Oct 87: (Note: I edited this pretty heavily, but retained the essence.) > On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Mark Schaffer wrote in 'TRACKLIST: Berlin 1987' > > 1. Caspian Sea /* This is virtually the same as Livemiles 2.1 ... the > [22 Oct 87] radio announcer gave [the name] as ... Caspian Sea */ > > 13. Velvet Autumn/Sunnyvale /* Firstly, this appears as Livemiles > 2.2. ... Now, as for what it's actually called ... [on German > radio in 1989] the latter 4 - 5 minutes of this track was played > and called Sunnyvale. However, the [22 Oct 87] radio announcer's > track list gives the track ... as Velvet Autumn! Bugger! */ > On Sun, 23 Feb 1997, Goozer wrote in 'FEBRUARY FAQ' > > ... The opening track [of 'Livemiles' Berlin section], 'Sunnyvale', is > pretty faithful to the concert version ... > > ... Ditto the second track [of 'Livemiles' Berlin section], 'Caspian > Sea' ... Well Mark (& John) and Hermes (and anyone else with good information), which is it? Was the first piece played at the Berlin 87 show 'Caspian Sea' or 'Sunnyvale' (or 'Velvet Autumn')? Also, about Livemiles 2.3: > On Sun, 23 Feb 1997, Goozer wrote in 'FEBRUARY FAQ' > > However, the last track, 'Dolphin Dance', is a totally different > version of what was performed. The version as played in the concert > was the same version as the '86 UK/US Tours. This entire concert can > be found on the boots _Antarktis_/_20th Century Serenades_ in > absolutely great quality. (...) Really Goozer? Livemiles-Berlin 3 sounds like 'Dolphin Dance' to you? I'll admit it starts as 'DD' but quickly changes to something else. Got any futher ideas? Maybe I'm just being clueless. Cheers -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5426 Re: Berlin 87 - Caspian Sea & Sunnyvale Dennis Nigbur Fri 6/27/1997 3 KB 5430 Caspian Sea/Sunnyvale/Velvet Autumn blah blah bla m.schaffer@i... Fri 6/27/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 3:04 am Subject: Re: TD Driving Music Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-24 13:15:40 EDT, you write: << >I was wondering if anyone had >further suggestions for TD driving music. Cheers -- Mark 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' and 'Silver Scale' come to mind. -Steve >> Lessee, there's freeway driving, city driving, country driving, day driving, night driving. There is different TD music for each. 'Goblins' Club' seems to fit city driving better. Freeway driving, OTOH, I prefer all of 'Exit' or 'Force Majeure'. Traffic jams on the freeway better suit some of the 'live' recordings like 'Logos' or 'Poland'. More? Well,.........I'll probably have different opinions tomorrow. Phil Naunton Now playing - The Radio - NPR - All Things Considered. No, really! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5435 Re: TD Driving Music GrafZeigen@a... Fri 6/27/1997 2 KB 5455 Re: TD Driving Music gilmore@g... Sat 6/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 11:34 pm Subject: Re: TD: A Most Excellent Obsession (was THE KEEP & RISKY B) Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings everyone- >Really-From: Steven Feldman >(...) In closing, it would be more accurate to say that I am greatly >informed re THE KEEP and RISKY BUSINESS, since re the former, I'm the >only one on the list who's seen one, and re the latter, I discovered the >remixes and have a copy of most of the audio kit. Ummm....just a couple of quick notes here: You're not the only one on the list who's held the Keep LP in their hands, and you weren't 'the first' to discover the differences in the Risky Business variations. Yes, I can 'verify' that the Keep was issued on LP; and that I, too, held a copy in my hands. Ask anyone who's known me from that era, and they'll 'verify' my assertion. I also have the official discography from that time, with it's listing crossed out. Of course. hearsay testimony is worth it's weight in air. And no, I didn't buy the Keep: I was broke at the time. As for the 'Risky Mixes' question; that particular discovery was made by all of us who had the first edition LP release in 1985 when it was issued on CD (and re-released on LP) with the different LoaRT and TDiAtS versions. Not to mention the RBAK versions, of course. Both of the above assertions have been made at various times by myself. But since these subjects keep coming up, I'm guessing that you haven't seen them for one reason or another. This is not to say that you should 'shut up', because that would be wrong. Just don't make blanket absolute statements. You never know who's watching! ; ) goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 3:21 am Subject: Re: [BTH] Where's the new issue?? Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Dave, I got mine about 2 weeks ago. Robert At 10:06 PM 6/26/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: dbrewer@a... > > >For all of the other _Beyond The Horizon_ subscribers here... Have you >received the next issue yet?? I'm still waiting for my copy, and was >wondering... > > Dave Brewer > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 12:33 pm Subject: Re: [BTH] Where's the new issue?? Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jun 26, 3:06pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: [BTH] Where's the new issue?? > Really-From: dbrewer@a... > > > For all of the other _Beyond The Horizon_ subscribers here... Have you > received the next issue yet?? I'm still waiting for my copy, and was > wondering... > > Dave Brewer >-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list Nope. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 1:41 pm Subject: Re: TD: A Most Excellent Obsession (was THE KEEP & RISKY B) Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-26 16:47:39 EDT, you write: << Yes. I have, after all, been told that it doesn't exist for thirteen years, now--after having held a copy in my hands on the week of its release. It's not so much the music that I am interested in anymore so much as proving to all the Doubting Thomases that I was right. I am obsessive, true, but also tenacious, stubborn, and thorough. >> I just got back from Japan, where I finally found the last existing copy of the legitimate 'Keep' recording. I now have them _all_! Every one of them. No one will be able to find a single one. It took me eight years and better than $250,000 but I did it. I'm celebrating with a bonfire tomorrow night. Ha, ha, ha. Next I'm going to Roswell. There are some alien artifacts I need to collect. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 11:27 am Subject: Re: Berlin 87 - Caspian Sea & Sunnyvale Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:29:07 -0700 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak >Well Mark (& John) and Hermes (and anyone else with good information), >which is it? Was the first piece played at the Berlin 87 show 'Caspian >Sea' or 'Sunnyvale' (or 'Velvet Autumn')? That's a very good question. And just to be nosy, does anyone know the titles of the four segments of Livemiles 1 (Albuquerque)? >Really Goozer? Livemiles-Berlin 3 sounds like 'Dolphin Dance' to you? >I'll admit it starts as 'DD' but quickly changes to something else. Got >any futher ideas? Maybe I'm just being clueless. It does sound like a heavily adapted version of Dolphin Dance to me; some things are added, some are left out, but it's still recognisable as Dolphin Dance, in my opinion. I found the same for Silver Scale and the version they are playing on the current tour...it's not exactly the same, but still can be identified as Silver Scale. As for Dolphin Dance, I prefer the version on Livemiles. I think it sounds less 'automatic' and hence more suited to the image of water and the ocean, than the track on Underwater Sunlight. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 8:36 am Subject: Re: Green Desert Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > >I got 'Green Desert' today, and I was actually a bit surprised that >(some of?) the material on this album is supposed to be from 1973. It >must be heavy remixed, because it don't sound like any of the other >'pink' albums. Though what really matters is that GD is a very very good >album, and I absolutely love the real drums. I can't see why TD used >that plastic sounding synth drums on f.ex Hyperborea. GD sounds really >slick compared Alpha Centauri etc, and is there really something at all >of the original recording left in GD?? > >It sounds really 'virgin' to me..... I've seen a few people share your views, Alexander, but I've never been one of them. Whilst I can see where the new 'bits' appear in some areas, I do think that this has the underlying feel of 'pink years' albums, particularly Alpha Centauri and, to a lesser extent, Atem. But I think I am in the minority. ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 8:39 am Subject: Re: More Midi Files Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: Philip Meyer > >The two midi's are: > Chonozon > Tiergarten > Yeah, I'd like to hear these. Maybe you post the original Poland one too. I never did get that one to work. If the list isn't keen, maybe you could send them privately? Thanks, ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 8:53 am Subject: Re: Green Desert Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > >The album was recorded in '83/'84(?), somewhere around the album >Poland. Maybe the ideas were from '73 but it was definitely not played >then. > Sorry, but I can't agree with this. What possible reason would Edgar and Chris have in 1984 for getting the old drum kit out again and producing something which could have been produced in 1973? Chris hadn't touched drums for over a decade, and they suddenly decide to try it for this one album, in the middle of using electronic drums, and then throw them away again? I think not. ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 2:21 pm Subject: Caspian Sea/Sunnyvale/Velvet Autumn blah blah blah Really-From: m.schaffer@i... > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > [more snipping] > Well Mark (& John) and Hermes (and anyone else with good information), > which is it? Was the first piece played at the Berlin 87 show 'Caspian > Sea' or 'Sunnyvale' (or 'Velvet Autumn')? Here's the thing - the announcer on the radio broadcast (but the one on 23rd Aug, I believe, rather than one in October) gave the following partial track listing:- Caspian Sea Sorcerer theme Zen Garden Dolphin Dance Velvet Autumn Smile Ride on a Ray Going West Yellowstone Park Encores: Tyger (instrumental) Tiergarten 21st Century Common Man Special Olympics Theme Since all the other tracks are in play order, presumably the new titles are too. So that makes the first part of Livemiles (Berlin) 'Caspian Sea'. > Also, about Livemiles 2.3: > > Really Goozer? Livemiles-Berlin 3 sounds like 'Dolphin Dance' to you? > I'll admit it starts as 'DD' but quickly changes to something else. Got > any futher ideas? Maybe I'm just being clueless. Sounds like it to yours truly. It shares the bass sequence and chord progression pretty blatantly with DD. When I was just getting into TD, two of the earliest albums I had were 'Best of' and 'Livemiles'. When I heard the arse end of the latter, I remember thinking 'I've got this somewhere else!' and then realising where it was I'd heard it. Next week I might get my bum in gear and produce that TRACKLIST: 80 I've been meaning to do. MS -- =============================================================================== Mark Schaffer 'You must cut down the mightiest tree in Department Of Mathematics the forest......with......a herring!' Imperial College (Monty Python's Flying Circus) LONDON SW7 2BZ Tel 0171 - 589 5111 x58619 =============================================================================== From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: THE KEEP & RISKY BUSINESS: Hermes is Right. Sorry. Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: TD: A Most Excellent Obsession (was THE KEEP & RISKY B) >Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:34:02 -0500 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >>Really-From: Steven Feldman >>(...) In closing, it would be more accurate to say that I am greatly >>informed re THE KEEP and RISKY BUSINESS, since re the former, I'm the >>only one on the list who's seen one, and re the latter, I discovered >>the remixes and have a copy of most of the audio kit. > >Ummm....just a couple of quick notes here: You're not the only one on >the list who's held the Keep LP in their hands, [. . .] Well, I was until *you* came along, and I've been on the list for close to seven years, now. 'Phooey, phooey, Frankenberry, my chocolatey sweeties are better!' (Said *virtually*--in a charicatured Bela Lugosi/ Boris Karloff voice.) >[. . .] and you weren't 'the first' to discover the differences in the >Risky Business variations. You're most likely correct there, but I'm the first one to find out about it on a quasi-official basis. If it weren't for my input, the differences probably wouldn't have gotten into VOICES IN THE DUNES. I originally told Peter or Paul (I forget which, sorry) Grygorcewicz about it, and he had me send him a cassette copy of the alternate version for verification. About this time, he'd told me about a guy named Matthew Hargreaves, who was writing a book called MUSIC IN THE DUNES. I passed the info along to him, along with timing differences, matrix stamp numbers, and so on. So, since Peter/Paul didn't know about it, Matt Hargreaves didn't know about it, and Klaus Beschorner (who contributed to the book, so if he'd discovered it before me, I would've found out about it) didn't, either. And these guys are among the most severely afflicted of all TD monomaniacs, so I don't feel too inaccurate about saying that 'I disovered the differences.' Somebody eventually patented the paperclip, but that doesn't mean that the man who got the patent is the only person in all of creation who had configured a piece of metal suchly until that time. ;) >Yes, I can 'verify' that the Keep was issued on LP; and that I, too, >held a copy in my hands. Ask anyone who's known me from that era, and >they'll 'verify' my assertion. [. . .] Ah yes, I remember now. You *did* tell me about this; I apologize. I feel rather stupid, now, but also happy that there's someone here who can corroborate the fact that this record exists. :) >[. . .] I also have the official discography from that time, with it's >listing crossed out. [. . .] I have one of these, too. >[. . .] Of course. hearsay testimony is worth it's weight in air. >[. . .] Don't I know it. My recent hobby, UFOlogy, doesn't let me forget this for a minute. >[. . .] And no, I didn't buy the Keep: I was broke at the time. Same here. That's the reason I wasn't able to buy the 1989 KLEM CD (the one with 'Lost Tale' and 'Vermillion Sands'), also. :( :( >As for the 'Risky Mixes' question; that particular discovery was made by >all of us who had the first edition LP release in 1985 when it was >issued on CD (and re-released on LP) with the different LoaRT and TDiAtS >versions. In real life, yes; but officially, no. (See above.) >[. . .] Both of the above assertions have been made at various times by >myself. But since these subjects keep coming up, I'm guessing that you >haven't seen them for one reason or another. This is not to say that you >should 'shut up', because that would be wrong. [. . .] Wrong, maybe; correct, probably. ;) >[. . .] Just don't make blanket absolute statements. You never know >who's watching! ; ) That sort of reasoning has made people believe in god(s) for thousands of years! ;) Seriously, though, thanks for being here to corroborate the facts about THE KEEP, Hermes, and once again, I apologize for my pomposity in claiming to be 'the only one' who knows such esoterica about THE KEEP and RISKY BUSINESS. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5532 Re: THE KEEP & RISKY BUSINESS: Hermes is Right. Erik Sanborn Mon 6/30/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 5:04 pm Subject: Tadream Mailing list Really-From: Wilhelm Lücken unsubscribe w.luecken@m... Please don't send me any further information From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 2:54 pm Subject: Vic's Web Page and TD List Really-From: Vic Rek Well yesterday I got out my HTML books and finally sat down and whipped up my first version of my home page. I just uploaded it to my internet server so today is the first day of my unofficial page opening. My link is: http://idt.net/~torque19 I have a link to Tangerine Dream which shows my TD want list and my current TD trade list. I will be updating this on a regular basis. I also have some links there to related pages such as Conrad Schnitzler's page. Anyway, any comments are welcome. I'm not really happy with my color scheme yet, but this is my very first crack at HTML. By the way, if you really want to see the face behind these e-mails, click on my PHOTOS link. Fellow members, please e-mail me your website links so I can include them under my electronic music links category. Later, Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 1:16 am Subject: CD exchange Really-From: Richard Bilek Will exchange Christopher Franke (former member of Tangerine Dream) - Babylon 5, Volume I., for any of following TD's CD: Near Dark or Shy People or The Man Inside or Tour 1997 Single or Oasis Soundtrack or Tournado Anyone interested??? Greetings, Richard Bilek, Czech Republic, Europe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 8:41 pm Subject: Re: TD Driving Music Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-06-26 23:36:58 EDT, you write: << << >I was wondering if anyone had >further suggestions for TD driving music. Cheers -- Mark >> Yes, I do Mark! I find that Legend is quite soothing for big city 'traffic jam' driving. Force Majeure (especially Cloudburst Flight) is good for the Midwest plains, and Green Desert is great for the drive through Wyoming, Utah type sections. Beach Theme/Scene is great for anywhere near bodies of water (especially over long, high bridges). But, Quichotte Part II (Pergamon) is great highway driving music anywhere! It times perfectly with the passing objects (poles, fences, pylons, concrete 'spacers' hitting the tires, roadkill...etc:-) Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 8:59 pm Subject: Re: Hey, Is the GoldTri List Dead? Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-06-26 06:46:51 EDT, you write: << Really-From: anunes@m... Steven Feldman wrote: << You know, it just occurred to me: I haven't received a single post from Elana's GoldTri list for over two weeks. Is this e-music list kaput or did someone unsub me by accident on purpose? ;) >> Lately I've been receiving 0 to 2 GoldTri messages a day, sometimes a message with no body (only the header), sometimes the same message twice... some server problems I suppose. You can send a 'who' message to majordomo@a..., to find out if you are still subscribed. Antonio Nunes >> I, too, having been getting only a 'trickle' from GoldTri. But I remember getting a post from Elana that 'real life had caught up with her'. I don't know if this was posted in general or not...or what it means, exactly, but I assume she is having some sort of personal or financial crisis (as we ALL do from time to time) so that would explain the problems with GoldTri. It's a shame because this list was just beginning to get exciting and very informative for me (and all of us)!!! I just hope Elana is OK and that everything works out for her. I miss her wit and insight!!! Elana? Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 9:11 pm Subject: Re: cognomen 'Tangerine Dream'? Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-06-26 09:33:31 EDT, you write: << Really-From: TangerineC@a... O.k. the question of 'How did TD get there name?' keeps coming up and has been answered numerous times. So i'll keep posting this until it gets through to everyone. Ready? O.k. Pay attention class... : < In 1966 or 1967 there was an album from a group called Kaleidoscope. And the name of that album is called Tangerine Dream. Is this a coincidence? It would seem to me that if Edgar did'nt get the name from this album, it would be a very strange coincidence, since the words Tangerine Dream was not a known term before the band existed. Hmmmm..... Edgar Froese wont say where the name comes from? I think with a little musical homework, one can figure it out. It's no big mystery.< O.k.? so there should be no more questions. >> I have a question, Tom! Are you REALLY Edgar Froese in 'E-Mail disguise' ????? If not, how the heck would you know what was in Edgar's mind in the late 60's when he came up with the name? I've seen this posted at least 4-5 times now, but I won't 'buy it' unless it comes directly from Edgar himself!!! Graf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5460 Re: cognomen 'Tangerine Dream'? Mark Filipak Sat 6/28/1997 3 KB 5466 Re: cognomen 'Tangerine Dream'? John Christian Sat 6/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 9:14 pm Subject: Re: Bootlegs Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-06-26 17:32:50 EDT, you write: << Really-From: TangerineC@a... If anyone is looking to get rid of some of there bootleg TD Cd's, and want to sell it to me, e-mail me with price at TangerineC@a... Thanks. Tom >> A-HA!!!! You MUST be Edgar!!!! You want to hear the bootlegs and track down the culprits so you can sue them.....right??? Graf :-D From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 9:12 pm Subject: TD & Roadkill Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... > > In a message dated 97-06-26 23:36:58 EDT, you write: > > << << >I was wondering if anyone had > >further suggestions for TD driving music. Cheers -- Mark >> > > Quichotte Part II (Pergamon) is great highway driving music anywhere! > It times perfectly with the passing objects ... roadkill...etc:-) I agree and this was on my original list. Thanks. Times perfectly with roadkill... now that's what I call synchronisity! ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5498 Re: TD & Roadkill TWeibre361@a... Sun 6/29/1997 2 KB 5502 Re: TD & Roadkill Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 6/29/1997 2 KB 5528 Re: TD & Roadkill TWeibre361@a... Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 12:22 pm Subject: Re: [BTH] Where's the new issue?? Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-06-27 00:20:56 EDT, you write: << For all of the other _Beyond The Horizon_ subscribers here... Have you received the next issue yet?? I'm still waiting for my copy, and was wondering... >> i havent gotten it either.... tom w np: em:t 3395 - inter'l peoples gang From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 4:36 am Subject: Re: Green Desert Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > ... > It sounds really 'virgin' to me..... Yup. -- Mark (did I snip enough to justify a one word response?) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 4:33 am Subject: Re: TD driving music suggestions Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... > > Dreamers > > I've found Wavelength and Flashpoint particularly great for driving > late at night on HWY 101 north of Santa Barbara. Probably even better > with Mark F's treats. Mark? Hmmmm, (startle) ah, what? Oh. Sure but that's not exactly the type of road for munchies -- too much up and down -- too many curves. Now the desert in the middle of the night.... New TD tune: 'Desert Munchies' ;-) Chow -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 4:24 am Subject: Re: Logos-Red to Logos-Blue Transition (was Re: Tangram) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >Would you like my version?? > > >Edgar - Heart > >Chris - Skeleton > >Johannes - Blood. > > Or mine? > > Ed: superego > Chris: ego > Johannes: id > > or > Ed: thesis > Chris: antithesis > Johannes: synthesis > > or > Ed: Father > Chris: Holy Spirit > Johannes: Son > > Am I reaching here? :-) Overreaching, Scott. 'Superego?' -- Mark (I hope you mean that in the Freudian sense and not in the common sense) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 8:11 am Subject: Grant Middleton Really-From: Mark Filipak Sorry to post something like this yet again folks, but it appears (yet again) there is no other way... Grant Middleton. I'm trying to email you and get this response: 554 Too many hops 27 (25 max): from via sim.msim.co.uk, to And I tried writing to your postmaster with the same result: 554 Too many hops 27 (25 max): from via sim.msim.co.uk, to Please contact me. Yet again, sorry folks. I don't know why this is happening. What's going on with the net? I now return you to your regularly scheduled mailing list. -- Mark (hopefully, never to interrupt yet again.) :-( From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 4:54 am Subject: Re: OR Times: Discrepancy re Cat Scan Timing: 3:35 or 5:35? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Subject: OR times, tangentizing and women from venus > >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:18:12 -0400 > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > > >>Here's a fill-in: > >> 1- marakesh 8:17 > >> 6-3:35 > >> Thanks -- Mark > > Hmmm... I've got 5:35 (not 3:35) for Cat Scan. Could it be that > I wrote the wrong time down on my cassette case, or did Mark write > down the wrong time? ... My error. 'Cat Scan' as read off the CD (actual time): 5:38. Sorry -- Mark (catching up on old material) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 7:41 am Subject: Re: David Datta's Comments re RISKY BUSINESS Really-From: Mark Filipak Hold on folks! There seems to be some discrepancies in what Dave Datta posted. I have before me 2 LPs of 'Risky Business' 'Risky Business' Geffen/Virgin/Warner Bros. Matrix numbers: side 1: 'V 2302 A-2U-1-1' and side 2: 'V 2301 B-1U-1-1' marked 'Manufactured in the UK' and 'Made in England' -- this is supposed to be the first issue and it is quite a bit different from the CD. 'Risky Business' Geffen/Virgin/Warner Bros. Matrix numbers: side 1: 'V 2302 A-3U-1-1' and side 2: 'V 2301 B-3U-1-1' marked 'Manufactured in the UK' and 'Made in England' -- this is supposed to be the second issue. They are more similar than we have been led to believe. More to follow when I have time to investigate thoroughly. Regards -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 4:49 am Subject: Re: last track on Thief.... Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > > >[ ... snip ... ] > > And, to go with the 'old' material point you raise, 'Thief' and > > 'Force Majeure' were released within 2 years of one > > another; if someone takes into consideration the time a film spends > > in post-production, they were thus produced at about the same time. > > Are you saying that the Thief music and the film were made > at the same time (say around 1979/1980) and only released > in 1981 after post-production? > > I don't want to jump down your throat if I've grabbed the > wrong end of the stick, but Schmoelling was only around > post-1980, and the sound (IMHO) is completely different > between Thief and FM. Thief sounds more reminiscent of > Froese's Stuntman, although I admit that that album was > released in 1979 so maybe I've just argued myself into a > hole! 8-) > > Anyone else got a comment on this? This post: old material just found. I have it worked out that 'Thief' was recorded sometime in the Summer of 1980 -- between 'Tangram' and 'Exit' -- about a year after 'Stuntman.' Definitely long after 'Force Majeure.' -- Mark (my $2E-2) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 2:17 am Subject: Re: 1977 tour info Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > Really-From: Whatisname > > Okay folks. Here's the list of questionables so far (full list > > available on request): > > Rather than do each one on Mark's post, I'll just re-post my list with > the venues added: > 4/2 Cleveland - Music Hall I used to live near Cleveland so I know this is the Convention Center Music Hall. > 4/6 Philly - Town Th. (Or maybe this was the Tower Th.? TD played the Tower Theater 3 other times, so most likely: Tower Theater. I have the last venue in Philly as Upper Derby Tower Theater. Hey folks from Philly -- same or different (Upper Derby?) > 4/16 Ottawa - Civic Center Civic Center Theatre? Auditorium? TD played Ottawa one other time but the venue was the National Arts Center. > 4/20 Portland - Paramount Th. Are you sure? The other time TD played Portland it was at the Arlene Schnitzler (Theater? Auditorium? -- don't know). > 4/21 Seattle - dunno. Paramount Th.? Yes, this is the Paramount Theater. Portland may also have a Paramount Theater, but this smells to coincidental to me. > 4/25 Berkeley - Community Th. Ah I suspected as much: The BC (Berkeley Communitiy) Theater -- great place. But this date conflicts with what I had for the next venue. > 4/26 Santa Monica - Civic Aud. I have this on the 25th (from Klaus' fantape list). Where'd you get your info? > 'Th' is short for 'Theater,' BTW. 'BTW' is short for 'By the Way.' :-) ITS? TY, IAKT. BR, -- M (& HAND :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 10:18 am Subject: TD driving music suggestions Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... Dreamers I've found Wavelength and Flashpoint particularly great for driving late at night on HWY 101 north of Santa Barbara. Probably even better with Mark F's treats. Mark? --teiwaz From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 3:34 am Subject: Baumann Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) Since I can't buy Peter Baumann's Romance '76 and I understand that Phase by Phase (is that the title) contains all of Romance '76 but one track - can someone tell me about the missing track, is it a good one, a forgettable one? In fact, which track is missing? I own the album but can't play it due to turntable problems. Thanks for the help, Larry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5462 Re: Baumann Vic Rek Sat 6/28/1997 3 KB 5465 Re: Baumann Marcel Engels Sat 6/28/1997 3 KB 7792 Baumann Michael A Jean Thu 10/16/1997 2 KB 19277 Baumann =?iso-8859-2?Q?Richard_B=EDle Fri 11/19/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 3:22 am Subject: Re: patience Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-06-23 07:52:31 EDT, you write: << As Klaus Beschorner mentioned, nobody bid on his mint sealed copy high enough to make the original selling price. There is a copy if you want it. But I noted in your e-mail to Peter Stoeferle that you never wanted to see a copy. What a hypocrite. Happy compiling at your end. CHEERS...Matt >> Please, let's not resort to namecalling. I think it's great that so many are compiling discographies. I'm sure everyone can find something useful in each of them. I must've missed the bidding on Klaus' book. I would definitely have offered more than the original selling price. Phil D. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 11:21 pm Subject: More TD Tour Pics Really-From: Harri Ikonen Hi everyone, A friend loaned me a copy of the 1976 Coventry Cathedral tape, and I decided to grab a few images from it for those who would like to see what it looks like (or at least some parts of it). At first I was going to capture a quicktime movie or two as well, but the quality of the tape isn't very high and they probably wouldn't turn out too well. The pictures are located at http://www.clinet.fi/~hikonen/ and are somewhat 15-25K in size, ie. small. The original images are four time as big, but because of disk space limitations I had to downsize them. If anyone knows a web page where I could upload the originals I'd be happy to do that, but until then I'll just have to hope that the smaller ones will do. Now if my friend only could find his Circus Krone tape too... Harri Ikonen hikonen@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5504 Re: More TD Tour Pics stephan bischoff Sun 6/29/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 3:29 am Subject: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Really-From: Hammer1612@a... OK--here is the straight poop on the 1977 tour. This is straight from the Official Tour merchandise made available from Virgin: Spring Tour--March 29 - April 26, 1977: 3/29 Milwaukee Riverside Theater 3/30 Detroit Ford Auditorium 4/1 Chicago Aragon Ballroom 4/2 Cleveland Convention Center Music Hall 4/4 Washington DC Lisner Auditorium 4/5 New York City Avery Fisher Hall 4/6 Philadelphia Tower Theater 4/9 Montreal Place Des Arts 4/11 Quebec City Hilton Convention Center 4/12 Chicoutimi Dufour Auditorium 4/15 Hamilton Hamilton Place 4/16 Ottawa Civic Center 4/20 Portland Paramount Theater 4/21 Seattle Paramount Theater 4/25 San Francisco Berkeley Community Theater 4/26 Los Angeles Santa Monica Civic Center Summer Tour--Originally Scheduled July 9-August 7, 1977: 7/9 San Diego Civic Theater 7/10 Tucson Community Theater 7/12 Los Angeles Greek Theater 7/14 Boulder Mackey Auditorium 7/15 Kansas City Uptown Theater 7/17 Baton Rouge Louisiana State University 7/18 Houston Music Hall 7/20 New Orleans Municipal Auditorium 7/21 Memphis Ellis Auditorium 7/22 Atlanta Fox Theater 7/25 Columbia Meriweather Post Pavillion 7/27 Poughkeepsie Mid-Hudson Civic Center 7/28 New York City Palladium 7/30 Wildwood Convention Center 8/1 Quebec City Convention Center 8/2 Montreal Place des Nations 8/4 Toronto Convocation Hall 8/5 Toronto Convocation Hall 8/6 Meadowbrook Pine Knob 8/7 Milwaukee Performing Arts Center I saw the Boulder show as scheduled but don't know about any of the rest of the tour dates. The friend I went to the show with and I almost drove to KC to see them the next night but I don't know if that show actually happened. I still can't believe tickets were only $6. I paid that for PARKING the last time I saw them! Hope this muddies the waters so to speak. It should also answer some of the questions (plus create some new ones) floating around about the Toronto shows. I also have all the various concert promoters for each show but my fingers are getting tired...See ya! Mike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5464 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 6/28/1997 2 KB 5472 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 6/28/1997 3 KB 5483 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Mark Filipak Sun 6/29/1997 4 KB 5491 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 6/29/1997 4 KB 5506 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Mark Filipak Mon 6/30/1997 3 KB 5514 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info John Christian Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB 5523 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Francisco Salgado C. Mon 6/30/1997 3 KB 5557 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Plumer, Scott Tue 7/1/1997 2 KB 5583 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Klaus Beschorner Wed 7/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 3:34 pm Subject: hell Really-From: Michael Fox Those of you with web capability check out this site! To say anything about it would ruin it. http://www.jpb.com/hell.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 10:03 pm Subject: Re: TD Driving Music Really-From: gilmore@g... TA>In a message dated 97-06-26 23:36:58 EDT, you write: TA><< << >I was wondering if anyone had TA> >further suggestions for TD driving music. Cheers -- Mark >> TA>and Green Desert is great for the drive through Wyoming, Utah type sections. When you're next to some guy playing heavy-bass dance music at high volume, that's the perfect time to play the 2nd half of 'Green Desert' (the track) at equally high volume, with all that wild drumming ;) Seriously though, I paricularly enjoy 'Poland' or 'Logos' in my daily commute to and work. I also like Pergamon & Tangram for that. -- Graham Gilmore /**********************************************************/ /* Mirabel */ /* gilmore@g... */ /* */ /* Sent from The GameMaster */ /**********************************************************/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 2:16 pm Subject: Re: Green Desert Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Sorry, but I can't agree with this. What possible reason would Edgar and Chris >have in 1984 for getting the old drum kit out again and producing something >which could have been produced in 1973? Chris hadn't touched drums for over a >decade, and they suddenly decide to try it for this one album, in the middle of >using electronic drums, and then throw them away again? What about 'Beach Theme'? Aren't those acoustic drums? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 6:37 pm Subject: Re: More Midi Files Really-From: anunes@m... Philip Meyer wrote: << Some time ago, I posted a midi of Poland. Well, I recently discovered two more midi files. Is there anyone interested in hearing them - shall I post them on this list? >> I have still poland.mid in my PC. First it didn't play at all with the Windows midi player, but then I discovered that it played with the DOS player. I'm definitely interested in the new ones. I always wondered why are there so few TD midis? Some time ago I discovered a Mike Oldfield midi page, with midi files of virtually all of his albums, including a 20+ minutes version of Tubular Bells part 1. What about a TD midi page? Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 8:02 am Subject: Michal Balcerzak Really-From: Mark Filipak Sorry to post something like this again folks, but it appears (again) there is no other way... Michal Balcerzak. I'm trying to email you and get this response: 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: gjpoland.com.pl: host not found) Please contact me. Again, sorry folks. I don't know why this happens -- someone posts to TaDream, but when you try to send them mail, errors. I tried InterNIC 'Whois' for various combinations of 'gjpoland.com' and 'gjpoland.pl' et cetera with no luck. I now return you to your regularly scheduled mailing list. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5517 Michal Balcerzak Mark Filipak Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB 5554 Re: Michal Balcerzak Michal Balcerzak Tue 7/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 2:47 am Subject: Re: Warsaw Pictures on TD Webpage Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > ... > > > I wonder what Jerome's listening to on that CD player... he's > > > really banging his hair around! > > > > JS Bach 'Cantata in E-minor for harpsicord.' > > Probably my CD, Impulse, I gave Edgar!! > > Marcel > (To experience the same Jerome experienced you have to got to:) > Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm > Email :fsp@p... Do it folks. Marcel has a masterwork on his hands. JSB would have been proud to have ME as a son instead of those two deadbeats: JCB & FB). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5500 Re: Warsaw Pictures on TD Webpage Francisco Salgado C. Sun 6/29/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 5:13 am Subject: Re: cognomen 'Tangerine Dream'? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > Excuse me but I think we are missing an important note here. If > > 'Lady Greenglass' came out a year before either 'Sgt. Pepper's > > Lonely Hearts Club' or the Kaleidoscope album, and 'LG' had these > > words > > Very, very, very, very interesting Mr F. Why has no-one else brought > up this point ? > > > then who influenced who? Maybe the question we should ask is: Where > > did the Beatles get the phrase 'tangerine trees' rather than debating > > what to me is obvious -- that Edgar invented the name. > > I wonder how much of the European psychedelic culture the Beatles > absorbed at the time. I think it's fair to say that most of the > trippy hippy stuff was coming from California. Not true. California was in the semi-post-surfing music phase. The Beach Boys had just brought out 'Smiley Smile.' Brian Wilson has said that it was hearing 'Sgt. Pepper's' that sent him around the bend -- the realization hit him that the BB were finished and would no longer be able to compete with the Beatles, so he cracked. -- Mark (my additional $2E-2, and yes Grant, you are anal ;-) (Aren't we all?) PS: Does anyone have a definitive release date for the Kaleidoscope album 'Tangerine Dream' -- assuming of course that it really did exist. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5466 Re: cognomen 'Tangerine Dream'? John Christian Sat 6/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 27, 1997 12:59 am Subject: Re: [BTH] Where's the new issue?? Really-From: Vic Rek At 03:06 PM 6/26/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: dbrewer@a... >For all of the other _Beyond The Horizon_ subscribers here... Have you >received the next issue yet?? I'm still waiting for my copy, and was >wondering... > > Dave Brewer Me too, ditto. I heard it was supposed to be mailed out a few weeks ago? Brian Kirby - do you know anything about this yet? Is it being hand delivered by chance? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 3:37 am Subject: Re: Baumann Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) > >Since I can't buy Peter Baumann's Romance '76 and I understand that Phase >by Phase (is that the title) contains all of Romance '76 but one track - >can someone tell me about the missing track, is it a good one, a >forgettable one? In fact, which track is missing? I own the album but >can't play it due to turntable problems. The one missing track (out of 6) on this compilation is 'The Glass Bridge' which I think is also very good, but nothing to loose sleep over. Also, 'Phase by Phase - A Retrospective '76 - '81' has 5 of 8 tracks from 'Trans Harmonic Nights'. Homework assignment! Now, if you want to make all the tracks add up on 'Phase by Phase', you must be very careful. Look at each number on the track listing (on the back insert) and identify the missing track which is actually on the CD (hint: this happens to be my favorite track!)??? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 3:37 am Subject: D:Trans Harmonic Nights Really-From: Vic Rek Peter Baumann - Trans Harmonic Nights I don't like this one as much as 'Romance '76', but I still think it's very good and I recommend it for TD fans. Most tracks range from 3 to 6 minutes which is not in the TD epic style of that time (1979), but the electronics are nice and there are some innovative tracks. I think this CD requires a few listens, but again, this CD is very short. I'm so used to 'getting in the mood' with some of today's EM artists, that this CD would end quicker than some EM tracks would get going... So I guess it's a quickie! Rating: 3AS Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5533 D:Trans Harmonic Nights Erik Sanborn Mon 6/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 8:16 am Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate your message written at 11:29 PM 6/26/97 -0400, tadream mailing list. You wrote: >Really-From: Hammer1612@a... > > >OK--here is the straight poop on the 1977 tour. This is straight from the >Official Tour merchandise made available from Virgin: > >Spring Tour--March 29 - April 26, 1977: > >3/29 Milwaukee Riverside Theater [....] Sorry.... I must have missed something here.... WHOSE Tour? Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5472 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 6/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 8:30 am Subject: Re: Baumann Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Vic Rek > > > > >Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) > > > >Since I can't buy Peter Baumann's Romance '76 and I understand that Phase > >by Phase (is that the title) contains all of Romance '76 but one track - > >can someone tell me about the missing track, is it a good one, a > >forgettable one? In fact, which track is missing? I own the album but > >can't play it due to turntable problems. > > The one missing track (out of 6) on this compilation is 'The Glass Bridge' > which I think is also very good, but nothing to loose sleep over. > > Also, 'Phase by Phase - A Retrospective '76 - '81' has 5 of 8 tracks from > 'Trans Harmonic Nights'. > > Homework assignment! Now, if you want to make all the tracks add up on > 'Phase by Phase', you must be very careful. Look at each number on the > track listing (on the back insert) and identify the missing track which is > actually on the CD (hint: this happens to be my favorite track!)??? Ha, track 7 - Romance. Nice home-page, Vic. It's nice to see the face behind the name. I know this has been said a few times, but it would be nice to put pictures of the members of the TD-list in a webpage, so we could all see what someone looks like. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... (MPEG3 track probably added today) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 9:44 am Subject: Re: cognomen 'Tangerine Dream'? Really-From: John Christian Previously on tadream, Mark Filipak said: >PS: Does anyone have a definitive release date for the Kaleidoscope >album 'Tangerine Dream' -- assuming of course that it really did exist. It does exist, I've seen a copy. A friend told me they had seen this album called Kaleidoscope by Tangerine Dream in a 2nd hand shop, and the cover was a load of 60s hippy types... of course I rushed down and found out the sad truth. I almost bought it anyway, guessing that someone would be anal enough to want it. This whole thread is fairly pointless you know. It was the late 60s, everyone - even Edgar - was totally out of their respective trees. The inspiration for TD could have been delibrate plagarism, subconscious absorption, or pure coincidence. We'll never know. It doesn't help when the band spout such contradictory BS in interviews, you can't even take THEM as a primary source. At least nobody has released an album called Airsculpture. Oh bugger. JC (Out to prove that etc etc)... -- John Christian - mail:john@p... AirSculpture Try out WebMaze at ADVERT: **AIRSCULPTURE+P.NAGLE LIVE AT JODRELL BANK UK * 28 JUN 97 * EMAIL FOR DETAILS** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 1:17 pm Subject: Re: More Midi Files Really-From: Alexander Bjelke tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: anunes@m... > > Philip Meyer wrote: > << Some time ago, I posted a midi of Poland. Well, I recently discovered two > more midi files. Is there anyone interested in hearing them - shall I post > them on this list? >> > > I have still poland.mid in my PC. First it didn't play at all with the > Windows midi player, but then I discovered that it played with the DOS > player. > > I'm definitely interested in the new ones. I always wondered why are there so > few TD midis? Some time ago I discovered a Mike Oldfield midi page, with midi > files of virtually all of his albums, including a 20+ minutes version of > Tubular Bells part 1. What about a TD midi page? > > Antonio Nunes > It is actually very strange that there is so few TD midi files. On the Jarre mailinglist there is constant releases of midi files made by the fans. Actually there is now made midi files of most of the tracks on his lates new album, Oxygene 7-13. Perhaps because there are so many musicians on the Jarre mailinglist??? Are TD listeners less musical than Jarre listeners (NO OFFENCE!!!)?????? - Just a thought... Best regards Alexander From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 2:22 pm Subject: Update (non TD-content) Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Hi guys, I just made a little update for my web-page. Finally I have the time again to change things in the page. I added a MPEG3 sound-file. Now you can hear the music in CD-quality with a compression-factor 12. Let me know what you think of MPEG3. Shall I continue with MPEG3 or shall I use RealAudio. I'll be changing the soundfiles on a regular basis to give you an idea of my CD, Impulse. Watch out for a frame version soon. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 4:01 pm Subject: More Risky Business Really-From: David Datta Okay, here is what I posted before, in a different format. Hopefully it is easier to understand: 1st LP Issue: 2:20 Dream Is Always The Same Edit of 1st Movie Occurrance 2:00 No Future (Get Off The Babysitter) Edit I 3:52 Lana Remix 4:17 Guido The Killer Pimp Remix 2:15 Love On A Real Train (Risky Business) Train Sequence from Movie CD/2nd LP: 3:45 Dream Is Always The Same Remix 2:00 No Future (Get Off The Babysitter) Edit I 3:54 Lana Remix 4:21 Guido The Killer Pimp Remix 3:59 Love On A Real Train (Risky Business) Remix Press Kit: 1:21 No Future (Get Off The Babysitter) Edit II (More cut) 1:46 Lana Edit 3:04 Guido The Killer Pimp Edit (Not Remix) 0:30 Porsche Takes the Plunge I Movie 0:24 Porsche Takes the Plunge II Movie 0:11 Catching the Egg Movie 0:57 Return of the Goodsens Edit of 2nd occurrance 3:08 Love On A Real Train (Risky Business) Closing Credits Edits are where the music is from the movie but cut. Remixes are where they changed the sounds/mix significantly from the movie. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 4:52 pm Subject: e-mail bounce Really-From: Hammer1612@a... Being a very new computer user has it's disadvantages. Prob the biggest one is not being able to recognize stuff that should or shouldn't happen (like the e-mail bounce deal) and also not being able to perform tasks correctly. I wondered about the delay on messages to the tadream board and I haven't seen my posting there yet either, although I just sent it late Thurs or early Fri (I can't remember exactly). You guys really crack me up sometimes. I just have to smile at some of the goings on & how familiar some of it seems. I remember just how ticked off I was when I sold my original Risky Business to a customer at our store & then ordered another--AND THEN IT WAS DIFFERENT!!! ACKKK! I'd previously deleted that file from my memory but then here it comes, bubbling up from the depths of who-knows-where. I also remember buying 'Ages' three different times back in about '78 & then having to return them all to Peaches (where they were purchased) because they included 1 disc of some other strange Virgin artist instead of 2 discs from Edgar. I later figured out that probably what happened was an employee re-shrinkwrapped the LP and I kept purchasing the same one over & over again! It took me five years until I finally purchased a correct version. Ah, memories...the stuff dreams are made of. (pun intended) Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 4:59 pm Subject: Re: More Midi Files Really-From: Vic Rek At 03:17 PM 6/28/97 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: Alexander Bjelke >It is actually very strange that there is so few TD midi files. On the >Jarre mailinglist there is constant releases of midi files made by the >fans. Actually there is now made midi files of most of the tracks on >his lates new album, Oxygene 7-13. Perhaps because there are so many >musicians on the Jarre mailinglist??? Are TD listeners less musical >than Jarre listeners (NO OFFENCE!!!)?????? - Just a thought... I don't understand why you have to be a musician to make a MIDI file of an existing recording? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 6:58 pm Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate your message written at 02:16 AM 6/28/97 -0600, tadream mailing list. You wrote: >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > >I appreciate your message written at 11:29 PM 6/26/97 -0400, >tadream mailing list. You wrote: >>Really-From: Hammer1612@a... >> >> >>OK--here is the straight poop on the 1977 tour. This is straight >from the >>Official Tour merchandise made available from Virgin: >> >>Spring Tour--March 29 - April 26, 1977: >> >>3/29 Milwaukee Riverside Theater >[....] > >Sorry.... I must have missed something here.... WHOSE Tour? > >Andrew > Sorry, again... I mean, who (what TD members) participated in the Tour? Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 6:40 pm Subject: Re: Dali Muesum Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: And a few days late, Gabe replied: > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > Gabe, man, coincidence or what? I've went to the Dali Muesum back in 1979 > when I was on holiday. I got my head totally into the Dali thing and > remember reading about this band called 'Tangerine Drum' or something. They > were also featured in a magazine called 'Omni' which I found at the same > time and they were deemed to be creating the 'music of the future'. Little > did I know that Edgar and Dali were pals! Very clear memories of this > event. Spooky or what? > > Regards > David Actually Dave, I hadn't thought about the Froese/Dali connection in this case. In hindsight, of course, it makes sense to see Edgar at a museum devoted to the works of his friend and mentor. But, why would he be sucking young ladies' blood? And strange, too, that you first heard of TD in that context... yet more synchronicity? > email : dhughes@g... Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 7:26 pm Subject: No substance...Mmmmm Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all, Found this on the space music list : >At 18:00 +1100 on 26/6/97, Larry Smith wrote: > >> As others have mentioned, this list has been dead lately - which is too >> bad. The Tadream list continues to to have about 2 - 4 dozen posts each >> day (of little or no substance), whereas this list has always been >> interesting. I've picked up a lot of good music based on some of your >> recommendations over the last year and a half. So...anybody bought >> anything good lately??? Anyone care to comment? Ok, so maybe not all of our postings may be of earth-shattering musical importance and I'd be the first to admit that many of my postings are irrelevant, flipant, irritating and certainly a waste of bandwidth but then that's what happens when you get a vibrant bunch of interesting people all discussing the same subject. I guess poor Larry is a bit fed up because the space music list is deader than the stuffed Dodo in the Smithsonian... Best Wishes Roger Irrelevant... T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5537 Re: No substance...Mmmmm Michael Fox Mon 6/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 8:09 pm Subject: RE: Late BtH (No TD Content) Really-From: Sturminatr@a... >Really-From: dbrewer@a... >For all of the other _Beyond The Horizon_ subscribers here... Have you >received the next issue yet?? I'm still waiting for my copy, and was >wondering... > Dave Brewer Dave (and all others who might have had problems getting the latest issue), I have just recently (read: a couple weeks ago) discovered that a number of subscribers have not gotten their latest issue. Evidently some sort of breakdown has occurred between the printer, the subscription manager, and myself. Rest assured, I am in the midst of making sure that those of you who pay for the magazine get it, and that whatever SNAFU has occurred is corrected before the next ish. Those of you who subscribe and have neither received their issue nor yet spoken to anyone at Horizon should send an EMail to me. Of course, I'm sorry that this has happened, and I will get it resolved as expediently as possible. -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 8:12 pm Subject: Hello? Really-From: Mark Jones Clueless User here ... I haven't received any messages for the list since June 22nd. This has not happened to me before and I'm a wee bit befuddled. Could someone tell me what, if anything, do I need to do to remedy the situation? Many thanks. -- Mark J. mjones@j... ********************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 10:54 pm Subject: Social Re: e-mail bounce Really-From: Mark Filipak Ladies and Gentlemen. Before I respond to Mike's message on-list, I'd like to direct your attention to the 'Subject:' line above. I will be doing this for all _my_ future posts. Though TD related, I will use the following categories to further identify my posts: Social - 'Soc' for short. Little TD content. Group chit-chat mostly. Goods - Buy/sell or trade requests. 'FT,' 'Trade,' 'FS,' 'Sell,' 'Wanted' are okay categories too. History - 'Hist' for short. Research/discussion dealing with the band's history, what'd you think ;-) Discography - 'Discog' or 'Disco' for short. Research/discussion of the differences between one version of 'LOaRT' and another version of 'LOaRT' for example, or matrix numbers, or running times, etc. Tour - Research/discussion of live shows or complete tours, tour lists venues, track lists, promoters, etc. Gear - Technoweenie talk about synths, samplers, DAT, editors, etc. Computers - 'Comp' for short. Technoweenie talk about computers, application software, dial-ups Net - Technoweenie talk about networking, WWW, and the like. My idea here is not to introduce a bunch of discussion that isn't already happening anyways, but to provide some context so that people who aren't interested in a particular field don't have to put up with what they consider noise. Consider this as just an extension of the 'D:' discussion concept, which works pretty well IMHO. Will other people follow my lead? I don't know. I hope so. Hammer1612@a... wrote: > > Being a very new computer user has it's disadvantages. ... Being new to bondage can have it's disadvantages, too. ;-) I'm here to help... and others too. I finally got the posts. It's almost like they were just hiding in the far cubbies of my Netscape. I think gremlins come in when I'm not home. They turn on my machine and fetch my mail and then hide it under wierd subjects or they back date it into 1982 so that it goes off-screen (ie, scroll up to see them, I sort by date and have several hundred messages just laying around gathering electronic dust) > You guys really crack me up sometimes. I just have to smile at some > of the goings on & how familiar some of it seems. ... Oh yes! Well, we never should have sold our LPs, eh? Look at all the CDs that are different from the LPs. Ah well, live and learn and spend some more money. That's the greatness of America as RR would say -- morning in America: time to rebuy all those LPs you used to have. Oops, new media? -- time to rebuy them in the new media. > ... I also remember buying 'Ages' three different times ... It took me > five years until I finally purchased a correct version. Heee, heeee, heeeeeee. I've done the same sort of thing... so many times. I think we've all done this. > Ah, memories...the stuff dreams are made of. (pun intended) > > Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 12:14 am Subject: Re: More Midi Files Really-From: Alexander Bjelke tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Vic Rek > > At 03:17 PM 6/28/97 +0200, you wrote: > >Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > >It is actually very strange that there is so few TD midi files. On the > >Jarre mailinglist there is constant releases of midi files made by the > >fans. Actually there is now made midi files of most of the tracks on > >his lates new album, Oxygene 7-13. Perhaps because there are so many > >musicians on the Jarre mailinglist??? Are TD listeners less musical > >than Jarre listeners (NO OFFENCE!!!)?????? - Just a thought... > > I don't understand why you have to be a musician to make a MIDI file of an > existing recording? > > Vic Well if you are going to use a keyboard or something i suppose there is a adventage having some musical skills. Using a mouse all the way must be very time-comsuming and unpractical. I think it is difficult to recreate complex music when not having any musical skills. You may make a pretty faithfull midi-file, but I think the 'feel' and nerve in the music is going to be missing. Alexander From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 8:33 am Subject: Re: More Midi Files Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: anunes@m... > ... > What about a TD midi page? Oooo. Antonio, yeragenious. I like this idea a lot. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 8:28 am Subject: Re: Green Desert Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > Sorry, but I can't agree with this. What possible reason would > > Edgar and Chris have in 1984 for getting the old drum kit out > > again and producing something which could have been produced > > in 1973? Chris hadn't touched drums for over a decade, and they > > suddenly decide to try it for this one album, in the middle of > > using electronic drums, and then throw them away again? > > What about 'Beach Theme'? Aren't those acoustic drums? It has been reported that MCA hired an unknown session dummer to overdub 'Beach Theme' -- which is otherwise an excerpt of 'Beach Scene' -- much to Edgar's chagrin. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 11:26 pm Subject: Gear Re: Update (non TD-content) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > ... Shall I continue with MPEG3 or shall I use RealAudio. By all means, MPEG3. I can't get RealAudio to work and saving the file is useless without the RealAudio player, whereas MPEG3 is not proprietary and there's a choise of MPEG3 players. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5492 Gear Re: Update (non TD-content) Marcel Engels Sun 6/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 11:03 pm Subject: Gear Re: More Midi Files Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Vic Rek > > At 03:17 PM 6/28/97 +0200, you wrote: > >Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > >It is actually very strange that there is so few TD midi files. On the > >Jarre mailinglist there is constant releases of midi files made by the > >fans. Actually there is now made midi files of most of the tracks on > >his lates new album, Oxygene 7-13. Perhaps because there are so many > >musicians on the Jarre mailinglist??? Are TD listeners less musical > >than Jarre listeners (NO OFFENCE!!!)?????? - Just a thought... > > I don't understand why you have to be a musician to make a MIDI file > of an existing recording? Because unlike a WAV file, which is played verbatum, a MIDI file uses synthesized 'instruments' and must be scored. MIDI is just a standard way of commanding pre-existing hardware voices to 'perform' a composition. To the best of my knowledge, there is no program that can convert a WAV file to MIDI commands. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 11:18 pm Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > >Really-From: Hammer1612@a... > > > > OK--here is the straight poop on the 1977 tour. This is straight > > from the Official Tour merchandise made available from Virgin: > > > > Spring Tour--March 29 - April 26, 1977: > > > > 3/29 Milwaukee Riverside Theater > [....] > > Sorry.... I must have missed something here.... WHOSE Tour? > > Sorry, again... I mean, who (what TD members) participated in the > Tour? We were discussing TD's 2nd North American tour in 1977 -- the one that was cut short after 1, then 2, then 3, now 4 venues. This was Froese, Franke, and Baumann of course. We've finally definatively established the following: These 4 shows actually happened: Civic Theater, San Diego [Sat, 9 Jul 77] Community Theater, Tucson [Sun, 10 Jul 77] Greek Theater, Los Angeles [Tue, 12 Jul 77] Mackey Auditorium, University of Colorado, Boulder [Thu, 14 Jul 77] There are eyewitnesses and/or fantapes to support this. The remainder of the tour was cancelled when the promoter went bankrupt due to Emerson, Lake, and Palmer cancelling the remainder of _their_ tour (which was happening at the same time) because ELP were losing too much money dragging around a 102 piece orchestra with them. Edgar did not have an equestrian accident and did not break his arm. This story was fabricated, probably to cover someone's butt. TD got caught up in the bankruptcy sans promoter and had to cancel. The 14 July 77 Boulder show was Peter's last collaboration with TD. Still questioned: Convocation Hall, Toronto [Fri, 8 Apr 77] Place des Arts, Montreal [Sun, 10 Apr 77] That's it, Andrew. Cheers -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5491 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 6/29/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 11:48 pm Subject: Net Re: Hello? Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi All. I'm sending a copy to Mark in addition to posting this. > Really-From: Mark Jones > > Clueless User here ... I haven't received any messages for the list > since June 22nd. This has not happened to me before and I'm a wee bit > befuddled. Could someone tell me what, if anything, do I need to do to > remedy the situation? Many thanks. 1- Send this, 2-line email: who tadream who tadream-digest TO: majordomo@c... SUBJECT: 2- If you are a subscriber, you will receive back an email from majordomo listing all the members of the respective lists. You will find your email address in that listing. If this is the case, contact your mail service and ask them why you aren't receiving mail. Note that unless you belong to _both_ lists, one of the 'who' requests above _will_ get rejected, but that's okay. 3- If you have been unsubscribed, you will receive back an email from majordomo rejecting both 'who' requests and informing you that you are not permitted to see the members of a list you don't belong to. 4- If you subscribed under one email account, but have switched to another email account, your 'who' requests will also be rejected. If 3 or 4 above, you will need to resubscribe as follows: subscribe tadream or subscribe tadream-digest TO: majordomo@c... SUBJECT: Make sure that is the account you are currently logged on to and the account you expect to receive email into. Hope this helps. Mail me if it doesn't. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 28, 1997 11:23 pm Subject: History Re: cognomen 'Tangerine Dream'? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: John Christian > > Previously on tadream, Mark Filipak said: > > > PS: Does anyone have a definitive release date for the Kaleidoscope > > album 'Tangerine Dream' -- assuming of course that it really did > > exist. > > It does exist, I've seen a copy. A friend told me they had seen this > album called Kaleidoscope by Tangerine Dream in a 2nd hand shop, and > the cover was a load of 60s hippy types... of course I rushed down and > found out the sad truth. I almost bought it anyway, guessing that > someone would be anal enough to want it. > > This whole thread is fairly pointless you know. It was the late 60s, > everyone - even Edgar - was totally out of their respective trees. ... Patience John. Someone, somewhere will find the information. The albums back then didn't usually have dates on them, but who knows? Dano, can you help with this? -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5581 History Re: cognomen 'Tangerine Dream'? Klaus Beschorner Wed 7/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 2:24 am Subject: D:Solo - Week 3, June 30, 1997 Really-From: Vic Rek This week of June 30, 1997 we would like to hear comments on: Peter Baumann - Repeat Repeat - Strangers in the Night - Phase by Phase (Comp.) -------------------------------------- AND anything else you'd like to say about Peter. Please make subject title 'D:Repeat Repeat' OR 'D:Strangers in the Night' OR 'D:Phase by Phase' OR simply 'D:Baumann' for general discussion about Peter. This will complete our D:Solo discussion about Peter Baumann, so get in your comments. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 2:47 am Subject: Re: Green Desert Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > > > Sorry, but I can't agree with this. What possible reason would > > > Edgar and Chris have in 1984 for getting the old drum kit out > > > again and producing something which could have been produced > > > in 1973? Chris hadn't touched drums for over a decade, and they > > > suddenly decide to try it for this one album, in the middle of > > > using electronic drums, and then throw them away again? > > > > What about 'Beach Theme'? Aren't those acoustic drums? > > It has been reported that MCA hired an unknown session dummer to > overdub 'Beach Theme' -- which is otherwise an excerpt of 'Beach > Scene' -- much to Edgar's chagrin. Woops. I meant to write 'Warner Bros,' not 'MCA.' Sorry if I mislead anyone. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 2:53 am Subject: D:Solo - Week 5, July 14, 1997 Really-From: Vic Rek The week of July 14, 1997 we would like to hear comments on: Christopher Franke - The London Concert ------------------------------------------ Please make subject title 'D:The London Concert' when commenting. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 2:52 am Subject: Out of here... Really-From: Vic Rek I won't be able to check my e-mail until somewhere around mid-July, so please be patient if you plan on sending me e-mail (I think I have responded to all my messages as of now). Tomorrow will be the last day I'll be able to reply. And for this reason, I'm posting the next two weeks of D:Solo in advance, but I think that Lars Jones will re-post them during each week just as a reminder. And by the way, I really enjoy this list - some 'real' personalities here! 'Keep' it going! If only that obsessive Steven Feldman guy would answer my e-mails??? I think I'll have a fit now! Heh heh. Vic Non TD question: Can anyone tell me something about the band 'Secret Oyster'? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 2:53 am Subject: D:Solo - Week 4, July 7, 1997 Really-From: Vic Rek The week of July 7, 1997 we would like to hear comments on: Christopher Franke - Pacific Coast Highway - McBain ------------------------------------------ Please make subject title 'D:Pacific Coast Highway' OR 'D:McBain' when commenting. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 8:16 am Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate Mark Filipak's message written at 04:18 PM 6/28/97 -0700, on the Tadream mailing list. He wrote: >We were discussing TD's 2nd North American tour in 1977 -- the one that >was cut short after 1, then 2, then 3, now 4 venues. This was Froese, >Franke, and Baumann of course. We've finally definatively established >the following: > >These 4 shows actually happened: > > Civic Theater, San Diego [Sat, 9 Jul 77] > Community Theater, Tucson [Sun, 10 Jul 77] > Greek Theater, Los Angeles [Tue, 12 Jul 77] > Mackey Auditorium, University of Colorado, Boulder [Thu, 14 Jul 77] > >There are eyewitnesses and/or fantapes to support this. Ahhhh.... the coin must have been bent, but it has fallen, finally. Anyone have a copy for trade, sale, or share? The Greek Theatre is a wonderful venue. I saw/heard Neil Diamond there and several others shows. For an open air theatre, it is only rivaled (in my experience) by the Red Rock Auditorium (or whatever they call it) in Denver. I wonder what quality tape someone could have made....hmmmm... Can I also surmise that 'Encore' is from that era, because now the track titles of the album make sense in my mind too. Too bad Coldwater Canyon is so traffic-ridden nowadays. Amazing these urban myths.... like the one about Edgar falling off a horse... Someone once said that if you repeat a lie often enough it will become a fact. So I 'deduce' that the April 2 concert in Cleveland was from the first part. Does the supposedly 2-LP Cleveland boot exist? And if they were in Seattle at the end of April, I wonder why was there such a hiatus until they moved into California, Arizona, and Colorado. Seems somebody was pretty mindless about the whole thing, all along. BTW, your idea about heading your posts with an identifying label has merit. I have seen it work well with lists that have huge number of posting members. In our case, it would make it easy to sort the postings. But how about an R&R (rant and rave) topic header? :-) (I am kidding, of course). >That's it, Andrew. Cheers -- Mark Thanks, Mark, you are treasure trove of knowledge that never ceases to amaze me. With your help and others' soon I will not need a book to read about TD. I will just have it all in my head. :-) Cheers, indeed Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 8:55 am Subject: Gear Re: Update (non TD-content) Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > > ... Shall I continue with MPEG3 or shall I use RealAudio. > > By all means, MPEG3. I can't get RealAudio to work and saving the file > is useless without the RealAudio player, whereas MPEG3 is not > proprietary and there's a choise of MPEG3 players. -- Mark Oh, I just changed it into RealAudio. I will wait for the reactions to see who's the winner (MPEG/RealAudio). Maybe a combination of both? BTW, I like the idea of 'topics' in the subject-line. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 26, 1997 7:49 pm Subject: Re: More Midi Files Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Philip Meyer > > Hi everyone, > > Some time ago, I posted a midi of Poland. Well, I recently discovered two more > midi files. Is there anyone interested in hearing them - shall I post them on > this list? YES, YES, YES.... Please send it ! FSC From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 1:52 pm Subject: Truckie Really-From: Ian Shillingford Message text written by INTERNET:tadream@c... >>The impression that I got the first time I saw Edgar was that he didn't >at all look like a musician (Goblins Club), but much more like a truck >driver. > >And now I see that he actually IS a truckdriver!! < Edgar didn't star in Sorceror, did he? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 1:52 pm Subject: Missed tours Really-From: Ian Shillingford Message text written by INTERNET:tadream@c... >I am soooo jealous : this was a year before I discovered TD properly and I missed 'em. (!Bummer * n^n : factorial bummer by n to the power n i.e somewhat irritated... :) ) < You're upset! What about me! I discovered them too late and now: TD tours in Australia x Likelihood of future tour = 0! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 3:26 pm Subject: D:Pacific Coast Highway Really-From: AslanFan1@a... THis is the best work of Franke's solo releases, in my opinion only. It's one of the only albums of his that doesn't sound like portions are remixes of other stuff. It's got a wonderful suspension like quality. It's very mellow but never boring in the slightest. Of all his solo stuff, it's also the most TD-like in my opinion (London concert doesn't count as its TD material in sections). If I had to lose all but one Franke CD, I'd hold on to PCh> If anyone doesn't have it and is wondering about TD like material they will enjoy, I highly recommend it (stay away from Universal SOldier, McBain, etc). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5531 Re: D:Pacific Coast Highway PNaunton@a... Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB 5540 D:Pacific Coast Highway Dave Bourner Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB 5871 D:Pacific Coast Highway GrafZeigen@a... Sun 7/13/1997 5 KB 5876 Re: D:Pacific Coast Highway Mark Filipak Sun 7/13/1997 2 KB 5880 Re: D:Pacific Coast Highway Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 7/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 5:55 pm Subject: '77 tour info revisited Really-From: Hammer1612@a... Andrew-- Sorry about the confusion. I was responding to much of the info flowing back & forth on the board about the 1977 Tangerine Dream North American tour. There seemed to be an awful lot of holes in the info I read about the appropriate dates & locations for both the first tour in the spring and then the scheduled dates (including the played & unplayed shows) & locations for the second leg in the summer. I lived in Denver at the time & went to the Boulder show. I purchased some tour mdse at the show including a tour program. Since the Boulder show was the fourth show of the summer tour, they were still selling books from the first leg. Included in the tourbook were all the stops from the spring tour. Virgin had printed & inserted a separate sheet with all of the scheduled stops from the summer tour. I supplied that info in my 'straight poop' e-mail. Of course, this is the tour when 'Encore' was recorded and was the original Froese/Franke/Baumann lineup as was the case when I saw the show. As I seem to recall, there was some last minute confusion the day of the show when it was announced that the show might be cancelled. We went ahead & took the chance & drove up to Boulder & caught an amazing show. I hope this clarifies the previous messages. Mike Surber e-mail: Hammer1612@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 6:33 pm Subject: Re: TD & Roadkill Really-From: TWeibre361@a... speaking of the subject....if any of u r ever in Maine, USA (the state) , please stop by the roadkill cafe in moosehead lake...ask anyone...not only will u get one of the best burgers in the us, but ull also hear td again and again, especially after MANY beers....sorry 4 the shameless plug.... tom w np: aint this wierd: td - exit Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5502 Re: TD & Roadkill Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 6/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 6:43 pm Subject: Legend Really-From: TangerineC@a... The movie was wall to wall TD, so it's soundtrack should be about 85 minutes(Give or take a minute or 2 for silence breaks). So why is the soundtrack only about 40 minutes long? How about a special edition of this Cd just like they did with Jerry Goldsmith's score? Anyone dissagree? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5518 Re: Legend Steven Feldman Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB 5522 Re: Legend TangerineC@a... Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB 14786 Legend Frank Stephen Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB 14791 Re: Legend TangerineC@a... Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB 14850 Re: Legend AOutland@a... Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 19779 Legend pergamon@xxxxxxx.xx Wed 12/15/1999 1 KB 19789 Re: Legend Bennett Cookson Wed 12/15/1999 1 KB 20148 Legend LAWRY SIMM Tue 1/4/2000 1 KB 27997 Legend Dennis Nigbur Sat 7/28/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 7:11 pm Subject: Re: Warsaw Pictures on TD Webpage Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > > ... > > > > I wonder what Jerome's listening to on that CD player... he's > > > > really banging his hair around! > > > > > > JS Bach 'Cantata in E-minor for harpsicord.' > > > > Probably my CD, Impulse, I gave Edgar!! > > > > Marcel > > (To experience the same Jerome experienced you have to got to:) > > Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm > > Email :fsp@p... > > Do it folks. Marcel has a masterwork on his hands. JSB would have > been > proud to have ME as a son instead of those two deadbeats: JCB & FB). Is anybody there who had, by chance, recorded the Warsaw show ? I will be gratefull if he would contact me for a trade... Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 8:08 pm Subject: Synchronicity Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, Really-From: Gabe Yedid >Actually Dave, I hadn't thought about the Froese/Dali connection in this >case. In hindsight, of course, it makes sense to see Edgar at a museum >devoted to the works of his friend and mentor. Certainly does. I have a picture somewhere of Edgar and Salvador sitting together sharing a joke but it always struck me as odd that, given Dali was one of the foremost Sculptors/Painters of the 20th Century and that he was a friend and mentor to Edgar, why did Edgar choose a musical path to express his ideas. Has anyone seen any of Edgar's works from other media? I gather he's a painter of some reknown and TD are into computer graphics in a big way. Is this Edgar's other artistic passion? >But, why would he be sucking young ladies' blood? Why not? It's a fun thing to do... Don't know anything about dream analysis : anyone else care to comment? >And strange, too, that you first heard of TD in that context... In truth, I'd heard of TD way back in 1975/76 when they played the Coventry Catherdral event. (The Uk media were in a spin because of the noise level etc. Oh! For that kind of media hysteria again!) The name probably lodged itself in my memory then and that's also why I was sure I'd heard selected bits from Rubycon before I bought the album... At the time I first started to hear about TD I was seriously disenchanted with the UK music scene and TD offered an alternative path... An interesting and fortuituous coincidence. Anyway, ever read 'The Celestine Prophecy'? It's probably one of the worst written books ever but some of the messages it details certainly make you think. The important ideas are that coincidences are very important and happen according to a pattern... I'm not into newage thinking but it sort of struck a chord with me when I read the book last Christmas. >yet more synchronicity? There's even more where that came from. Mail me privately if you're interested. I don't want to bore the list with the details... Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5503 Re: Synchronicity Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 6/29/1997 3 KB 5505 Re: Synchronicity Mike Livsey Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB 5507 Re: Synchronicity Mark Filipak Mon 6/30/1997 3 KB 5543 Re: Synchronicity Mike Livsey Tue 7/1/1997 3 KB 5509 Re: Synchronicity Gabe Yedid Mon 6/30/1997 5 KB 5534 Synchronicity David J. Hughes Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB 5546 Re: Synchronicity Mark Jones Tue 7/1/1997 3 KB 5553 Re: Synchronicity Marcel Engels Tue 7/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 9:26 pm Subject: Re: TD & Roadkill Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Tom wrote: [....] >speaking of the subject....if any of u r ever in Maine, USA (the state) , >please stop by the roadkill cafe in moosehead lake...ask anyone...not only >will u get one of the best burgers in the us, but ull also hear td again and >again, especially after MANY beers....sorry 4 the shameless plug.... > >tom w I thought Moosehead was best known for VEGETARIAN cooking.... ?! :-) Andrew np: purple waves: cf - pacific coast highway From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 10:03 pm Subject: Re: Synchronicity Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' mahman, David, wrote: [......Gabe's stuff....] >>Actually Dave, I hadn't thought about the Froese/Dali connection in this >>case. In hindsight, of course, it makes sense to see Edgar at a museum >>devoted to the works of his friend and mentor. >Certainly does. I have a picture somewhere of Edgar and Salvador sitting >together sharing a joke but it always struck me as odd that, given Dali was >one of the foremost Sculptors/Painters of the 20th Century and that he >was a friend and mentor to Edgar, why did Edgar choose a musical path >to express his ideas. Don't you remember our discussion, here, about synesthesia and how you musicians (and probably artists in other media) seem to be able cross over from one sensory domain to another, yet (probably) maintain perceptual continuity? Dali has always delighted my senses, even when I was a child. TD came into my heart/mind when I was in my 20s. Instant love, there too. Much later, about 15 years to be exact, I read about the connection between Dali and E. Froese. The other similar connection in my life has been Escher and Bach. What painting/sculpture were to Dali, music has been/is to Edgar. If you want to see what I mean, take out a copy of a book on Dali's masterpieces (the bigger the better) and, while you are studying Dali's paintings, crank up your CD changer with about 10 TD discs. And, if you don't come up for air for the next 10 hours, don't tell your wife that it was me who instigated this experiment. :-) Andrew np - purple waves:cf - the london concert From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 10:20 pm Subject: Re: More TD Tour Pics Really-From: stephan bischoff Harri Ikonen Hi Harry! >The pictures are located at http://www.clinet.fi/~hikonen/ and are >somewhat 15-25K in size, ie. small. The original images are four >time as big, but because of disk space limitations I had to downsize >them. If anyone knows a web page where I could upload the originals >I'd be happy to do that, but until then I'll just have to hope that >the smaller ones will do. Nice digitized pics! I have a small (5MB) account at Geocities with 33 % still free. I'd be honored if you would allow me to show your pics in full size (mentioning your name of course). Please take a look: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/tadream.htm or better: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/td_concerts.htm At the moment, I'm still re-working the pages, so in the last weeks not much has changed. Kind regards, Stephan P.S. You don't know how to get a copy of this tape in PAL, don't you? :-))) P.S.S. During the first writing of this email a lightning strucked down and cut of the power for milliseconds. Enough to reset the computer... _____ __________________________________________________________ / || \ |E-mail|| Stephan.Bischoff@H... | \_____||____________________________________________________ | / || | | Home ||http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/index.html | \_____||__________________________________________________________/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 7:05 am Subject: Re: Synchronicity Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Sun, 29 Jun 1997 21:08:45 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > >>Actually Dave, I hadn't thought about the Froese/Dali connection in this >>case. In hindsight, of course, it makes sense to see Edgar at a museum >>devoted to the works of his friend and mentor. > The thing that makes me curious is that there was an electronic music compilation CD made that celebrates Dali's accomplishments after he died, yet Edgar was not part of it. It's called 'Dali: The Endless Enigma'. Klaus Schulze made it on the list; why didn't Edgar? -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 1:35 am Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > ... > >These 4 shows actually happened: > > > > Civic Theater, San Diego [Sat, 9 Jul 77] > > Community Theater, Tucson [Sun, 10 Jul 77] > > Greek Theater, Los Angeles [Tue, 12 Jul 77] > > Mackey Auditorium, University of Colorado, Boulder [Thu, 14 Jul 77] > > > >There are eyewitnesses and/or fantapes to support this. > > Ahhhh.... the coin must have been bent, but it has fallen, finally. Indeed. A good demonstration of the power of the NET, eh? I thank all who contributed -- we can all be proud of a job well done. Now if I can just get confirmations (negative or positive) for these: Convocation Hall, Toronto [Fri, 8 Apr 77] -- check Toronto papers Place des Arts, Montreal [Sat, 9 Apr 77] --| 2 shows? Place des Arts, Montreal [Sun, 10 Apr 77] --| which was CHOM-FM? > Anyone have a copy for trade, sale, or share? The Greek Theatre is > a wonderful venue. ... The only fantape I know of is a 92 minute one -- the sound is reported to be horrible (3/10). :-( > ... So I 'deduce' that the April 2 concert in Cleveland was from the > first part. Does the supposedly 2-LP Cleveland boot exist? CONVENTION CENTER MUSIC HALL, CLEVELAND [Sat, 2 Apr 77] - EF/CF/PB MC - as AUDIENCE FANTAPE [1977] (110 min; JB sound: 3) LPx2 - as US-TOUR '77 [19??] ???... (??) ???... (boot; 81 min; KB sound: 7) Good luck trying to find a copy of 'US-Tour '77.' If you do, I'd like some discography info (and a cassette of course ;-). Cheers -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5514 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info John Christian Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 3:10 am Subject: Re: Synchronicity Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) > ... > The thing that makes me curious is that there was an electronic music > compilation CD made that celebrates Dali's accomplishments after he > died, yet Edgar was not part of it. It's called 'Dali: The Endless > Enigma'. Klaus Schulze made it on the list; why didn't Edgar? Good question Mike. I know there are folks on this list who know KS and KDM. Perhaps they might ask? Not knowing what year 'Dali: The Endless Enigma' was recorded this is the grossest form of speculation: perhaps Edgar worked for the 'wrong company' at the time. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5543 Re: Synchronicity Mike Livsey Tue 7/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 3:29 am Subject: D:Strangers in the Night Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-28 22:31:50 EDT, you write: << D:Strangers in the Night >> This, the only one I ever purchased way back when, gets a rousing Bronx Cheer!!! Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 4:37 am Subject: Re: Synchronicity Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sun, 29 Jun 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > > Hi all, > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > >Actually Dave, I hadn't thought about the Froese/Dali connection in this > >case. In hindsight, of course, it makes sense to see Edgar at a museum > >devoted to the works of his friend and mentor. > > Certainly does. I have a picture somewhere of Edgar and Salvador sitting > together sharing a joke but it always struck me as odd that, given Dali was > one of the foremost Sculptors/Painters of the 20th Century and that he was > a friend and mentor to Edgar, why did Edgar choose a musical path to > express his ideas. Has anyone seen any of Edgar's works from other media? I > gather he's a painter of some reknown and TD are into computer graphics in > a big way. Is this Edgar's other artistic passion? After all those album covers from the 70s and early 80s, it seemed he lost his taste for the visual arts altogether. With all the studio time he's logged since then, I have my doubts about whether or not he's done anything in the way of painting or sculpting in the last 15 years. But only Ed could answer that for sure. Maybe he always harboured a secret desire to be a painter/sculptor, but figured music offered a better living? I wouldn't say he's done half bad by that choice. > >But, why would he be sucking young ladies' blood? > > Why not? It's a fun thing to do... Don't know anything about dream analysis > : anyone else care to comment? Good God, Dave, you don't play Masquerade, do you? > >And strange, too, that you first heard of TD in that context... > > In truth, I'd heard of TD way back in 1975/76 when they played the Coventry > Catherdral event. (The Uk media were in a spin because of the noise level > etc. Oh! For that kind of media hysteria again!) The name probably lodged > itself in my memory then and that's also why I was sure I'd heard selected > bits from Rubycon before I bought the album... > > At the time I first started to hear about TD I was seriously disenchanted > with the UK music scene and TD offered an alternative path... An > interesting and fortuituous coincidence. That actually sounds rather similar to how I got into TD. Before I ever bought my first TD album, I knew them only by reputation, and childhood memories of a piece of music called 'Dr. Destructo', which I heard when I was 8. I never asked the name of the band who did it; at the time, I thought it must certainly be some biker/metal outfit. Shows what I knew then, eh? > Anyway, ever read 'The Celestine Prophecy'? It's probably one of the worst > written books ever but some of the messages it details certainly make you > think. The important ideas are that coincidences are very important and > happen according to a pattern... I'm not into newage thinking but it sort > of struck a chord with me when I read the book last Christmas. So in other words, we're fated to be fans of our favourite bands? > >yet more synchronicity? > > There's even more where that came from. Mail me privately if you're > interested. I don't want to bore the list with the details... Sure, I'd love to. > Cheers > David From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Tournado released Really-From: Peter Ravn Hi fellow TDreamers Just a short message: I got the 'Tournado' last friday (27.6) just 3 days after I ordered it from Voiceprint. Excellent service. There are 10 tracks on the CD but only 9 are listed. The first track - the Codotronic solo by Email Hachfeld - is not listed. Excellent sound - much than the tapes. Back to work... Best regards, Peter From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Re-broadcast of the Netcast Really-From: Peter Ravn Hi On TD's home page can you now read: 'To give you an impression of the new Live-CD Tournado coming soon now, we will re-broadcast the second half of TD's concert in Frankfurt at April, 18th (Note: Tournado was recorded in Zabrze, Poland, while the re-NetCast features a different performance in Frankfurt, Germany). The re-NetCast will take place twice per day in two parts each during the whole July! Check back soon for more information!' Best regards, Peter From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 9:52 am Subject: Best TD sequence Really-From: ashok prema Hi all, I spent last evening listening to 'Pergamon'. I have always enjioyed this particular album - because of its 'raw' feel (despite it being dubbed or whatever) - my favourite piece is starts from Edgar playing that French horn sound and then THAT SEQUENCE starts......with that 'crickets in the grass sound' (or rattler snake)... this sequence is wonderful - because it develops and builds - ( it is also the same one on Tangram side 2 ) I've never been sure whether it is being improvised live or just recorded as one long varying sequence - I suspect the latter - in view of the technology of that day - it's one hell of a long sequence and is powerful and varying enough to stand out on its own. It has moods to it - and in parts an 'urgency' to it. Then it change where it transposes up one octave, and down 2 returning to the mid octave.(in Tangram, it changes as the 'screaming guitar' wails) I LOVE IT!! I don't know if it was Chris's creation or Edgars ( I'd vote Chris) but whoever - it is plain genius! Then it fades in a wash after the long run. Another of my fave sequences is in Logos after the long eerie bit following the 'Wake up' track - it is gentle and has a lovely bass end to it - and the flute riff just adds to the atmosphere. What seqence is YOUR particular favourite?? Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5513 Re: Best TD sequence Greg Heil Mon 6/30/1997 4 KB 5515 Re: Best TD sequence Paul Nagle Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB 5520 Re: Best TD sequence Marcel Engels Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB 5524 Re: Best TD sequence Francisco Salgado C. Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB 5525 Re: Best TD sequence dbrewer@a... Mon 6/30/1997 3 KB 5548 Re: Best TD sequence Mark Jones Tue 7/1/1997 2 KB 5579 Re: Best TD sequence John Christian Wed 7/2/1997 2 KB 5538 Re: Best TD sequence Jens Peschke Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB 5544 Re: Best TD sequence Doug Pearson Tue 7/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 10:33 am Subject: Re: Best TD sequence Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: ashok prema > > > Hi all, > > I spent last evening listening to 'Pergamon'. I have always enjioyed this > particular album - because of its 'raw' feel (despite it being dubbed or > whatever) - my favourite piece is starts from Edgar playing that French > horn sound and then THAT SEQUENCE starts......with that 'crickets in the > grass sound' (or rattler snake)... this sequence is wonderful - because it > develops and builds - ( it is also the same one on Tangram side 2 ) I've > never been sure whether it is being improvised live or just recorded as > one long varying sequence - I suspect the latter - in view of the technology > of that day - it's one hell of a long sequence and is powerful and varying > enough to stand out on its own. It has moods to it - and in parts an > 'urgency' to it. Then it change where it transposes up one octave, and > down 2 returning to the mid octave.(in Tangram, it changes as the 'screaming > guitar' wails) I LOVE IT!! I don't know if it was Chris's creation or > Edgars ( I'd vote Chris) but whoever - it is plain genius! Then it fades > in a wash after the long run. > Yes!! This is one of the wonderful parts of music I just love and that's what puts Tangram so special in my heart--it emulates a mood more than any other music. Shifts of mood are not alwayssubtle everyone! Especially when it come to anger and excitement! So yes, the transitions are fast and this sequence is wonderful! I would say Force Majuere was reaching almost to the level of Tangram.. as one sequence on it.. after the ambient and piano/guitar part.. where the electric organ sequencer fires up and those oh so wonderful drums.. of course, the first section to Tangram 1 is just wonderful.. everything on that album is magic! After the Blue Part of Logos.. (the airy synth section) I get a little bored.. most of Logos' explosive sequences are over.. Tangram is a bit better spread out. > Another of my fave sequences is in Logos after the long eerie bit > following the 'Wake up' track - it is gentle and has a lovely bass end > to it - and the flute riff just adds to the atmosphere. This is the best part of the whole album.. it never fails to have an effect on me like no other--this is why I love electronic music.. if I were to have an example, this sequence would be it. Nothing beats the power and majesty of those sounds (wishing to know what synth made those wonderful sounds...) > What seqence is YOUR particular favourite?? Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 10:58 am Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Really-From: John Christian Previously on !tadream, tadream mailing list said: > Place des Arts, Montreal [Sat, 9 Apr 77] --| 2 shows? > Place des Arts, Montreal [Sun, 10 Apr 77] --| which was CHOM-FM? That's easy. The DJ repeats 'on this commercial free Sunday' about 800 times. Well, once maybe. But it annoys me! -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 6:52 pm Subject: Re: Best TD sequence Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >What seqence is YOUR particular favourite?? No contest. Ricochet - need I even say which one? I think not... 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 23/06/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 12:41 pm Subject: EF's 'AGES' on CD, no, really! Really-From: Craig Shipley Checked my email this AM and found a missive from CUE Records. Listed under the new releases is 'Ages' by Herr Froese! I just hope that 'Macula Transfer' is not far behind.... (They also list the new Air Sculpture and three, if not all, of the Paul Nagle CD's. Now ya' know where to get 'em!) Back to digest mode... Craig Shipley craigs@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5539 Re: EF's 'AGES' on CD, no, really! John Christian Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB 5542 Re: EF's 'AGES' on CD, no, really! John Christian Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 10:00 am Subject: Michal Balcerzak Really-From: Mark Filipak Excuse Me Folks. Yo Michal. Apparently you can email me but I can't email you. This is what I get: 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: gjpoland.com.pl: host not found) Email your snail-address to me and I'll write an old fashon letter. Dziekuje! Thanks for your patience -- Mark (trying to figure out how majordomo can get through to Poland and I can't) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Legend Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Legend >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 14:43:52 -0400 (EDT) >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > >[. . .] How about a special edition of this Cd just like they did with >Jerry Goldsmith's score? [. . .] Huh?!? Special edition?!? I've got two diff. UK CDs: one with black printing over dark pink, and the other with a black etching of a unicorn over white. Are you talking about one of these or something else??? -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 3:28 pm Subject: Re: 1977 tour info Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-06-28 04:28:07 EDT, you write: << > 4/6 Philly - Town Th. (Or maybe this was the Tower Th.? TD played the Tower Theater 3 other times, so most likely: Tower Theater. I have the last venue in Philly as Upper Derby Tower Theater. Hey folks from Philly -- same or different (Upper Derby?) >> yes its the tower theater in upper darby...with an a... tom w np: david sylvian - brilliant trees From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 4:09 pm Subject: Re: Best TD sequence Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > >What seqence is YOUR particular favourite?? I have to go with Paul. Definitely Ricochet (pt. 2). But I also like Coldwater Canyon from Encore very very much! Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 12:19 pm Subject: SV: More Midi Files Really-From: Kim Pedersen -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: tadream mailing list [SMTP:tadream@c...] Sendt: 26. juni 1997 21:50 Til: tadream@c... Emne: Re: More Midi Files Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Philip Meyer > > Hi everyone, > > Some time ago, I posted a midi of Poland. Well, I recently discovered two more > midi files. Is there anyone interested in hearing them - shall I post them on > this list? [Kim Pedersen] Please send them to me. Regards Kim Pedersen. E-Mail:kimp@s... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 5:17 pm Subject: Re: Legend Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-06-30 10:34:28 EDT, you write: > Huh?!? Special edition?!? I've got two diff. UK CDs: one with >black printing over dark pink, and the other with a black etching of a >unicorn over white. Are you talking about one of these or something >else??? > > -- Steven Feldman Dear Steve, No. dont worry. I'm talking about the one with the Unicorn on it. Years ago though, there was a cd edition of the Goldsmith score that did'nt have most of the music that is on the reissue. The old one ran about 45 minutes . The new one runs about 75. That's what I meant about 'special edition'. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 4:55 pm Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Mark Filipak > Indeed. A good demonstration of the power of the NET, eh? I thank > all > who contributed -- we can all be proud of a job well done. Now if I > can > just get confirmations (negative or positive) for these: > > Convocation Hall, Toronto [Fri, 8 Apr 77] -- check Toronto > papers > Place des Arts, Montreal [Sat, 9 Apr 77] --| 2 shows? > Place des Arts, Montreal [Sun, 10 Apr 77] --| which was CHOM-FM? April 10th, was the one by CHOM-FM, so say my tape copy. > The only fantape I know of is a 92 minute one -- the sound is > reported > to be horrible (3/10). :-( > > ... So I 'deduce' that the April 2 concert in Cleveland was from the > > first part. Does the supposedly 2-LP Cleveland boot exist? Wrong, april 2 is New York, Avery Fisher Hall...I've got a fan tape too. > CONVENTION CENTER MUSIC HALL, CLEVELAND [Sat, 2 Apr 77] - EF/CF/PB > MC - as AUDIENCE FANTAPE [1977] (110 min; JB sound: 3) > LPx2 - as US-TOUR '77 > [19??] ???... (??) ???... (boot; 81 min; KB sound: 7) > > Good luck trying to find a copy of 'US-Tour '77.' If you do, I'd like > > some discography info (and a cassette of course ;-). > I have a fan tape of another venue: Avery Fisher Hall, N.Y. april 2.1977 so Cleveland show must be at another date. ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 5:08 pm Subject: Re: Best TD sequence Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: ashok prema > > What seqence is YOUR particular favourite?? > > Ash For me the essence of TD of the 80'ies is on 'Helicopter Attack' ( Park is mine) I love this song. One of the greatest !, rithms and melodies mixing shifting melodies becoming rithm and viceversa, you even feel a helicopter is comming... Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 5:50 pm Subject: Re: Best TD sequence Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: ashok prema > > What seqence is YOUR particular favourite?? > I'd have to say that mine is the sequence that kicks in for the second part of the Froese track Pinnacles. I like the progression it follows and the fact that it's quite long. (possibly one of the longest?) A close second is the sequence at the very beginning of Tangram Set 1 up through what's called the 'solution part' on Tangents. I guess there's really three different lines there, but the change from the first to the second and so on is seamless! I liked these sequences so much, I sat down and learned how to play them. Dave Brewer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5548 Re: Best TD sequence Mark Jones Tue 7/1/1997 2 KB 5579 Re: Best TD sequence John Christian Wed 7/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 5:59 pm Subject: Re: quick question Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: TWeibre361@a... > > what album is the track 'the dream is always the same' from? thanks.... > Here's a quick answer, Tom! :-) The Risky Business OST. Dave Brewer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5529 Re: quick question TWeibre361@a... Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB 5530 Re: quick question TWeibre361@a... Mon 6/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re[2]: Best TD sequence Really-From: 'Roger Smith' >What seqence is YOUR particular favourite?? One of my favorite sequences happens about 12:00 into the first set of Paris Dreams (Paris Olympia 1986) on Tier 3 of 3 Tier Dream. I think it's the growling animal-like sounds in the background and the crescendos of the syths between refrains. Anybody know this one? Of course, 'Another Perspective (1) on the same disc is just as twisted. Roger From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 6:11 pm Subject: Re: TD & Roadkill Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-06-29 16:51:44 EDT, you write: << I thought Moosehead was best known for VEGETARIAN cooking.... ?! :-) >> not this moose.... tom w From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 5:53 pm Subject: Re: quick question Really-From: TWeibre361@a... what album is the track 'the dream is always the same' from? thanks.... tom w np: byzar - gaiatronyk vs. the cheap robots From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 5:52 pm Subject: Re: quick question Really-From: TWeibre361@a... what album is the track 'the dream is always the same' from? thanks.... tom w np: byzar - gaiatronyk vs. the cheap robots From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 7:17 pm Subject: Re: D:Pacific Coast Highway Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-29 11:30:43 EDT, you write: << THis is the best work of Franke's solo releases, in my opinion only. >> Uh, . . . you're not going to agree with my assessment of this recording coming up next week. Sorry 'bout that. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 7:23 pm Subject: Re: THE KEEP & RISKY BUSINESS: Hermes is Right. Sorry. Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) (snip) >>Yes, I can 'verify' that the Keep was issued on LP; and that I, too, >>held a copy in my hands. Ask anyone who's known me from that era, and >>they'll 'verify' my assertion. [. . .] > > Ah yes, I remember now. You *did* tell me about this; I apologize. >I feel rather stupid, now, but also happy that there's someone here who >can corroborate the fact that this record exists. :) I, too, held a copy of The Keep LP in my hands. And I did mention it to you and the list some time ago. (I've been on tadream for 5-6 years, as a semi-lurker.) If you've forgotten, does this mean you haven't been keeping track of KEEP LP heresay? And here I thought you were obsessive. ;^) >>[. . .] And no, I didn't buy the Keep: I was broke at the time. Ditto. It was gone the next week. :( (snip) >>[. . .] Just don't make blanket absolute statements. You never know >>who's watching! ; ) > > That sort of reasoning has made people believe in god(s) for >thousands of years! ;) > Seriously, though, thanks for being here to corroborate the facts >about THE KEEP, Hermes, and once again, I apologize for my pomposity in >claiming to be 'the only one' who knows such esoterica about THE KEEP >and RISKY BUSINESS. > > -- Steven Feldman and > Steven, your capabilities toward esoterica regarding THE KEEP and RISKY BUSINESS appear boundless to the rest of us merely rabid TD fans. 'Keep' the faith. -Erik From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 7:29 pm Subject: D:Trans Harmonic Nights Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) >Really-From: Vic Rek > >Peter Baumann - Trans Harmonic Nights >I don't like this one as much as 'Romance '76', but I still think it's very >good and I recommend it for TD fans. Most tracks range from 3 to 6 minutes >which is not in the TD epic style of that time (1979), but the electronics >are nice and there are some innovative tracks. I think this CD requires a >few listens, but again, this CD is very short. I'm so used to 'getting in >the mood' with some of today's EM artists, that this CD would end quicker >than some EM tracks would get going... So I guess it's a quickie! > >Rating: 3AS > >Vic I'd agree with these sentiments. However, I'd like to add that there is one track from THN that I can't seem to get out of my head, 'Chasing the Dream.' Talk about good driving music! The driving pace of this track is great. If it weren't for this track, I would probably give the album a 2AS rating. Regards, -Erik From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 8:13 pm Subject: Synchronicity Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Not knowing what year 'Dali: The Endless Enigma' was recorded this is >the grossest form of speculation: perhaps Edgar worked for the 'wrong >company' at the time. -- Mark But probably the best explaination there is.... Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5546 Re: Synchronicity Mark Jones Tue 7/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 3:22 pm Subject: TD name, etc hippiness Really-From: Michael Fox Mark F. wrote:> California was in the semi-post-surfing music phase. The >Beach Boys had just brought out 'Smiley Smile.' <<<< Well, I think the 'hippy' yrs were already in swing prior to Smiley and Pepper. Maybe So. Cal still surfin', but No. Cal was already into the 'chemical age'. As to Kaliedescope--I know I've got that sucker somewhere, but it seems to me I got it around '67/68. IF I can find it and IF it has a date, I'll report it. (I looked in a circa '89 phonolog I have--no listing for that album. Kaleidoscope is listed, tho. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 3:31 pm Subject: moose(head/wood) Really-From: Michael Fox >I thought Moosehead was best known for VEGETARIAN cooking.... ?! :-) > >Andrew I think it's Moosewood for that vegie cooking. Moosehead is what ya drink too much of that makes roadkill taste good. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 3:28 pm Subject: Re: No substance...Mmmmm Really-From: Michael Fox Hi all, Well, hmmm is right. I'm sure we all post some crap from time to time (well, OK, not *me*, but everyone else, :)) but of little or no substance??? I find Mr. Smith's post to have no substance for me. David---might tell him about the Spice Girls---of course I guess if you post to a dead list, it's all relevant stuff. At 08:26 PM 6/28/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > >Hello all, > >Found this on the space music list : > >>At 18:00 +1100 on 26/6/97, Larry Smith wrote: >> >>> As others have mentioned, this list has been dead lately - which is too >>> bad. The Tadream list continues to to have about 2 - 4 dozen posts each >>> day (of little or no substance), whereas this list has always been >>> interesting. I've picked up a lot of good music based on some of your >>> recommendations over the last year and a half. So...anybody bought >>> anything good lately??? > >Anyone care to comment? Ok, so maybe not all of our postings may be of >earth-shattering musical importance and I'd be the first to admit that many >of my postings are irrelevant, flipant, irritating and certainly a waste of >bandwidth but then that's what happens when you get a vibrant bunch of >interesting people all discussing the same subject. > >I guess poor Larry is a bit fed up because the space music list is deader >than the stuffed Dodo in the Smithsonian... > >Best Wishes > Roger Irrelevant... > >T-Bass UK : Electronic Music >T-Bass Design : Graphic Design >Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html >email : dhughes@g... > > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 8:45 pm Subject: Re: Best TD sequence Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > What seqence is YOUR particular favourite?? The Phaedra remix from Tangents. Jens Peschke From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 8:55 pm Subject: Re: EF's 'AGES' on CD, no, really! Really-From: John Christian Previously on !tadream, tadream mailing list said: >(They also list the new Air Sculpture and three, if not all, of the Paul >Nagle CD's. Now ya' know where to get 'em!) If anyone needs to know just ask and I'll happily point them to the nearest distributor. -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 9:31 pm Subject: D:Pacific Coast Highway Really-From: Dave Bourner <106340.1311@c...> I agree, there isn't a dud track on it. It's one of those CDs you can play time and again and never tire of. It's very upbeat, smooth and none of the tracks are too taxing. Well worth a listen. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 9:46 pm Subject: Oasis in stores! Really-From: stephan bischoff For those who are couldn't find 'Oasis': Today I saw it in Hamburg, Germany at two different stores. (Karstadt and WOM) If not yet available, it should be in the rest of europe in the next day. Bye, Stephan _____ __________________________________________________________ / || \ |E-mail|| Stephan.Bischoff@H... | \_____||____________________________________________________ | / || | | Home ||http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/index.html | \_____||__________________________________________________________/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5555 Re: Oasis in stores! Dr. Alan Stocker Tue 7/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 9:06 pm Subject: Re: EF's 'AGES' on CD, no, really! Really-From: John Christian Previously on !tadream, tadream mailing list said: >Checked my email this AM and found a missive from CUE Records. Listed >under the new releases is 'Ages' by Herr Froese! I just hope that 'Macula >Transfer' is not far behind.... Whoa! Just took a look at the CUE web page and it says: > Epsilon in Malaysian Pale - Z31024e [B] > Only 10 copies and then it's out of print! Panic now guys! BTW our new CD is titled 'Europa' not 'Europe'. JC -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 7:38 am Subject: Re: Synchronicity Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:10:09 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >> Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) >> ... >Good question Mike. I know there are folks on this list who know KS and >KDM. Perhaps they might ask? > >Not knowing what year 'Dali: The Endless Enigma' was recorded this is >the grossest form of speculation: perhaps Edgar worked for the 'wrong >company' at the time. -- Mark > The CD came out in 1990. I would find it strange that recording contracts would be a problem as most of the musicians on the CD were under contract to another company at the time (as credited in the liner notes). Too bad Edgar didn't participate; the CD is a good reflection of the various bands and styles out there. Of course he still wouldn't win the prize for best title: The Great Masterbator. Michel Huygen picked that one. -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 1:56 am Subject: Re: Best TD sequence Really-From: Doug Pearson tadream mailing list wrote: >What seqence is YOUR particular favourite?? Another vote for Ricochet, part 2, if you're talking long term. But if you're talking short term then the explosive transition from the tremendous peak of Cloudburst Flight (the version on Force Majeure) into that great fade away is my favorite of all time, ever... -dep- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 3:08 am Subject: This whole name business Really-From: Gabe Yedid I have just one question: Whether or not Edgar got the band's name from the Kaleidoscope album, have any of the members of Kaleidoscope ever come forth and accused Edgar of stealing the name? (Ok, 1 more question) And what was the last thing of note that Kaleidoscope put out? Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 3:18 am Subject: Re: Synchronicity Really-From: Mark Jones > >Not knowing what year 'Dali: The Endless Enigma' was recorded this is > >the grossest form of speculation: perhaps Edgar worked for the 'wrong > >company' at the time. Dali: The Endless Enigma was released on the Coriolis Records label in 1990. There are some good gems in that album, in my opinion 'Assumpta Corpuscularia Lapislazulina' among one of the better ones. I have to wonder if perhaps Edgar was invited -- he did, after all, know Dali, unlike any of the featured artists (to my knowledge, anyway) -- but he declined the invitation for artistic reasons. I've always wondered about the Froese-Dali connection, in that they seem to be diametrically opposed in at least one respect: Dali manufactured and used a cult of personality to sell his paintings. In fact, Dali in his 'Unspeakable Confessions' more or less comes flat out and says that he painted strictly for the absurd amount of money he could get for his paintings. I believe someone called him 'The Prostitute of the Unconscious.' Edgar, on the other hand, while as fluid and capable of rendering convulsive beauty as Dali, seems to avoid overtly seeking fame and fortune at all costs. There is also little doubt in my mind that a CD that says it is by 'Edgar Froese' or 'Tangerine Dream' was actually written, performed, etc., by said individuals. There is a rumor I have heard that says Dali, toward the end of his life, signed blank canvases and hired art students to complete the actual paintings for him while he deposited the check. Just some thoughts while still admiring 'The Broken Bridge and the Dream,' 'Tuna Fishing,' and 'Pre-Raphaelite Head Exploding.' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 3:23 am Subject: I'm back Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Hi to everyone :-) I'm back from a vacation in the land of leeches, wood ticks, mosquitos and biting flies (northern minnesota + northern wisconsin) and for those of you who have sent messages to me during the past week, you'll be hearing from me shortly. Apologies for any delays. ttfn Lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5551 Re: I'm back Mark Filipak Tue 7/1/1997 2 KB 27523 I'm back Heiko Heerssen Wed 7/4/2001 2 KB 27525 Re: I'm back Alan Benson Thu 7/5/2001 4 KB 27528 Re: I'm back Heiko Heerssen Thu 7/5/2001 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 3:08 am Subject: Re: Best TD sequence Really-From: Mark Jones > > > > What seqence is YOUR particular favourite?? Is this another thread? Oh cool. My favorite sequence is the recently-maligned 'Live-Miles' Berlin Concert's final section, the one that sounds a bit like 'Rising Runner...' but with that incredibly powerful orchestral-choral maelstrom; 'all silvery treacle running through spaceships,' or whatever it was that Alec said from 'Clockwork Orange.' Close seconds, of course, are the Logos Blue and the first suite in 'Horizon.' Mark J. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 4:09 am Subject: Edgar, if you're reading this... Really-From: feldon@p... I've been thinking... and maybe it's too personal a question, but just how well off financially is TD? I mean, theoretically, can they afford to buy rights to either parts of, or all of the unreleased stuff from Virgin? Also, do you think they would make that money back? Tough question, and maybe a bit too personal on my part, but from the bits of fantapes I've been hearing lately, TD could easily release 5-6 CDs worth of really high-class material, they've said it themselves. Any rich people on the list willing to buy the rights from Virgin and then make a deal with TDI for a certain dollar amount per disc sold? Morgan feldon@p... This is a permanent address... Hotmail is honorable, but, well, I just feel like a homeless person while I'm using it... Know what I mean? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5585 Edgar, if you're reading this... Klaus Beschorner Wed 7/2/1997 3 KB 5599 Re: Edgar, if you're reading this... TangerineC@a... Wed 7/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 4:11 am Subject: Re: EF's 'AGES' on CD, no, really! Air Sculpture/Paul Nagle Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) Hi John, Is the new Air Sculpture out yet? It seems like Eurock carried them, will they still? I'm looking forward to hearing it. Sure love the first two! Larry >Really-From: John Christian > > >Previously on !tadream, tadream mailing list >said: >>(They also list the new Air Sculpture and three, if not all, of the >Paul >>Nagle CD's. Now ya' know where to get 'em!) > >If anyone needs to know just ask and I'll happily point them to the >nearest distributor. >-- >John Christian > for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 >software, etc. > for AirSculpture > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5580 AirSculpture John Christian Wed 7/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 7:07 am Subject: Re: I'm back Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > Hi to everyone :-) > I'm back from a vacation in the land of leeches, wood ticks, > mosquitos and biting flies ... Well it's about damn time, Lars. Sheesh! First a long vacation in England followed almost immediately by a vacation in Minnesota. No offense to the various inhabitants, but you sure can pick your vacation spots ;-) What company do you work for? I want a job application. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 6:36 am Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info -- The World Wants to Know Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi All You Anal Types: Two dates are still in question and one date was definitely added but somehow escaped the official tour booklet. Speak now for forever hold your peace. Spring Tour--March 29 - April 26, 1977: OFFICIAL TOUR BOOKLET (Mike S.) WHAT WE SUSPECT DATE (with additional notes) (and why) =========== =============================== ======================= Tue, 29 Mar - Riverside Theater, Milwaukee Wed, 30 Mar - Ford Auditorium, Detroit Fri, 1 Apr - Aragon Ballroom, Chicago Sat, 2 Apr - Convention Center Music Hall, Cleveland Sat, 2 Apr - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Avery Fisher Hall, NYC (Francisco S.C. claims TD played New York City on the 2nd. Can anyone corroborate this? Note, something written on a fantape is _not_ sufficient reason to rearrange the chronology because to paraphrase Bongo ('Life in Hell'): 'Errors can be made.') Mon, 4 Apr - Lisner Auditorium, Washington DC Tue, 5 Apr - Avery Fisher Hall, New York City Wed, 6 Apr - Tower Theater, Philadelphia Fri, 8 Apr - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Convocation Hall, Toronto (People report that fantapes of this show exist. Some con- fusion exists because of the difference between EU dating (dd/mm/yy) and US dating (mm/dd/yy), but it can't be denied that if the date was really 4 Aug, then this show would be one that was cancelled and a fantape would not exist! Also, note how well this venue fits. So much implys that the official tour book is wrong that it HAS to be wrong, throwing into doubt all the info in it. Can our Canadian friends help to clear this up by paying a visit to the library?) Sat, 9 Apr - Place Des Arts, Montreal (Note: Scott Plumer does not have this on his list. Was it rescheduled to the next day so that there wasn't really a show on the 9th or did TD play two successive dates in Montreal? Can our Canadian friends help to clear this up by paying a visit to the library?) Sun, 10 Apr - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Place Des Arts, Montreal (From fantapes of the CHOM-FM broadcast during which the announcer states that it is 'commercial free Sunday.' This show must have been added or moved from the 9th to the 10th.) Mon, 11 Apr - Hilton Convention Center, Quebec City Tue, 12 Apr - Dufour Auditorium, Chicoutimi, Quebec Provance Fri, 15 Apr - Hamilton Place, Hamilton Sat, 16 Apr - Civic Center, Ottawa Wed, 20 Apr - Paramount Theater, Portland Thu, 21 Apr - Paramount Theater, Seattle Mon, 25 Apr - Berkeley Community Theater, Berkeley Mon, 26 Apr - Santa Monica Civic Center, Los Angeles Summer Tour--Originally Scheduled July 9-August 7, 1977: (From eyewitness accounts, the four shows below actually happened) Sat, 9 Jul - Civic Theater, San Diego Sun, 10 Jul - Community Theater, Tucson Tue, 12 Jul - Greek Theater, Los Angeles Thu, 14 Jul - Mackey Auditorium, University of Colorado, Boulder (The sixteen shows below were _all_ cancelled -- are we sure?) Fri, 15 Jul - Uptown Theater, Kansas City Sun, 17 Jul - Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge Mon, 18 Jul - Music Hall, Houston Wed, 20 Jul - Municipal Auditorium, New Orleans Thu, 21 Jul - Ellis Auditorium, Memphis Fri, 22 Jul - Fox Theater, Atlanta Mon, 25 Jul - Meriweather Post Pavillion, Columbia Wed, 27 Jul - Mid-Hudson Civic Center, Poughkeepsie Thu, 28 Jul - Palladium, New York City Sat, 30 Jul - Convention Center, Wildwood Mon, 1 Aug - Convention Center, Quebec City Tue, 2 Aug - Place des Nations, Montreal Thu, 4 Aug - Convocation Hall, Toronto Fri, 5 Aug - Convocation Hall, Toronto Sat, 6 Aug - Pine Knob, Meadowbrook Sun, 7 Aug - Performing Arts Center, Milwaukee Thanks for the bandwidth. Perhaps the truth will out. Cheers -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5558 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info -- The World W Plumer, Scott Tue 7/1/1997 2 KB 5565 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info -- The World W Francisco Salgado C. Tue 7/1/1997 3 KB 5588 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info -- The World W Mark Filipak Wed 7/2/1997 3 KB 5608 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info -- The World W Alan Justrabo Thu 7/3/1997 3 KB 5612 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info -- The World W Mark Filipak Thu 7/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 7:32 am Subject: Re: Synchronicity Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >> Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) >> ... >Good question Mike. I know there are folks on this list who know KS and >KDM. Perhaps they might ask? > >Not knowing what year 'Dali: The Endless Enigma' was recorded this is >the grossest form of speculation: perhaps Edgar worked for the 'wrong >company' at the time. -- Mark > The CD came out in 1990. I would find it strange that recording contracts would be a problem as most of the musicians on the CD were under contract to another company at the time (as credited in the liner notes). Too bad Edgar didn't participate; the CD is a good reflection of the various bands and styles out there. Of course he still wouldn't win the prize for best title: The Great Masterbator. Michel Huygen picked that one. -- Mike Livsey Well, I read in an interview that he doesn't want to participate in compilation-CDs with other artists. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Re: Michal Balcerzak Really-From: Michal Balcerzak Hi Mark Here it is Michal Balcerzak Al. Stanow Zjednoczonych 44/64 04-036 Warszawa Your copy is ready and waiting... Michal Balcerzak From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 8:18 am Subject: Re: Oasis in stores! Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) >Really-From: stephan bischoff > > >For those who are couldn't find 'Oasis': >Today I saw it in Hamburg, Germany at two different stores. (Karstadt and WOM) >If not yet available, it should be in the rest of europe in the next day. > >Bye, Stephan I found it in the UK last week - was going to post but got distracted by work - haven't listened to it enough to formulate an exact opinion, but my first impressions are that it is generally OK with one or two good tracks. Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 10:02 am Subject: Really-From: ashok prema eally-From: 'Marcel Engels' > >What seqence is YOUR particular favourite?? I have to go with Paul. Definitely Ricochet (pt. 2). But I also like Coldwater Canyon from Encore very very much! True..... but Paul - are YOU referring to part 2 or 1? Both have beautiful analogue sequences - part one -to me - just has the edge - because of the transpositions - especially the way it 'echoes' out and that manic snare drum.........but part 2 is grand in its development - especially when that bass comes in after the tinkling - you can feel the low frequency on that one! As for 'Encore' I much prefer that on 'Monolight' - a simple 2 note sequence that nevetheless has a vibrancy - and when it transposes.........WOW - it's like coming to a climax! (Yes THAT sort!) ONeally-From: 'Roger Smith' >What seqence is YOUR particular favourite?? One of my favorite sequences happens about 12:00 into the first set of Paris Dreams (Paris Olympia 1986) on Tier 3 of 3 Tier Dream. I think it's the growling animal-like sounds in the background and the crescendos of the syths between refrains. Anybody know this one? Oh Yeh!! This one is wondrous because taken out of context and starting mid-sequence - it just sounds so formless and full of noises.....but when you hear it from it's start - that delicate tinkling again and then how it builds one noise after another - it brilliant! Of course, 'Another Perspective (1) on the same disc is just as twisted. This one is a slowed down version of 'Das Madchen' off 'White eagle' - but allows you to really hear the intricacies of TD sequencing at its best. All of these above sequences belong to the bygone era of Froese/Franke plus either Baumann or Schmoelling. They have never been matched since Franke left - it does give credence to Frankes tag of 'Mr Sequencer' doesn't it? - especially when he followed up with 'The London Concert' which kinda showed that it really was him in the sequencing seat. Edgar has never produced a sequence to match these top flight ones - to be honest - I can't think of a single one offhand since Melrose(especially as 'Ricochet pt 2 is now playing in the background!). They tend to be rather more simple nowadays don't they - lacking the complexity in notes AND sounds that they used to have which makes them somewhat repetitive. Almost the same could be said for the music - 'Ricochet' is filling my room with a gamut of frequencies - to produce a 'wall of sound' as against the 'Tournado' I had on earlier which didn't spread to the low end as much. I haven't heard 'Tournado' enough to comment on it - the initial impression was disappointing - the second showed definite interest. Personally, I'd have preferred a live album of the first half of the concert. Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5561 Re: Marcel Engels Tue 7/1/1997 2 KB 5820 Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 7/10/1997 2 KB 5952 feldon@p... Wed 7/16/1997 2 KB 5995 Re: PNaunton@a... Sat 7/19/1997 2 KB 5999 Re: Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 7/19/1997 2 KB 6001 Re: PNaunton@a... Sun 7/20/1997 2 KB 6011 Re: Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 7/21/1997 3 KB 6020 Re: KP Mon 7/21/1997 3 KB 6007 Hermes Guzman Mon 7/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 12:07 pm Subject: RE: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' This was supposed to go out yesterday: >7/28 New York City Palladium I just looked in the New York Times on microfilm, and there's an ad that says the show was cancelled. Tickets were to be $6.50 and $7.50. There was also an ad for the Sorceror ST for $3.99 at Korvette's. They also gave away a Sorceror poster with each purchase of the LP. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5583 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Klaus Beschorner Wed 7/2/1997 3 KB 5584 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Klaus Beschorner Wed 7/2/1997 2 KB 5587 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Mark Filipak Wed 7/2/1997 2 KB 5768 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info MCINTYRE@p... Tue 7/8/1997 2 KB 5777 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Mark Filipak Wed 7/9/1997 4 KB 5795 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Ken Alexander Wed 7/9/1997 2 KB 5802 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Mark Filipak Wed 7/9/1997 3 KB 5805 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Doug Pearson Thu 7/10/1997 3 KB 5819 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Mark Filipak Thu 7/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 12:10 pm Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info -- The World Wants to Know Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Sat, 2 Apr - Convention Center Music Hall, Cleveland >Sat, 2 Apr - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Avery Fisher Hall, NYC > (Francisco S.C. claims TD played New York City on the 2nd. > Can anyone corroborate this? Note, something written on > a fantape is _not_ sufficient reason to rearrange the > chronology because to paraphrase Bongo ('Life in Hell'): > 'Errors can be made.') April 2 they played Cleveland. I have a copy of the listing from the newspaper, and I have a friend who was there. I also have an ad from the New York Times that lists April 5 at Avery Fisher Hall. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 12:33 pm Subject: Re: Re: tournado landing Really-From: TWeibre361@a... tdi 008 tournado flashflood 220 volt (big volt version) firetongues girls on broadway little blond in the park of attractions rising haul in silence lamb with radar eyes (lost lamb version) touchwood towards the evening star second set of the concert in zabrze, poland on april 23, 1997 (nice photos in booklet) enjoy, tom w np: tournado From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: TD's Second Live Album of Studio Tracks :( Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Re: tournado landing >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 08:33:07 -0400 (EDT) >Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > >flashflood >220 volt (big volt version) >firetongues >girls on broadway >little blond in the park of attractions >rising haul in silence >lamb with radar eyes (lost lamb version) >touchwood >towards the evening star Well, *this* really sucks: the second TD live album (after THREE PHASE) comprised solely of cover versions of studio tracks which have already been released. I am in *no* rush to buy this CD. If it doesn't come out in the USA, I won't be happy about having to pay an import for it. Groan. Well, at least I have OASIS to keep me happy. -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 1:11 pm Subject: Re: Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: ashok prema > > I haven't heard 'Tournado' enough to comment on it - the initial impression > was disappointing - the second showed definite interest. Personally, I'd > have preferred a live album of the first half of the concert. > > Ash Just a few more weeks. Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 1:55 pm Subject: BTH Really-From: Michael A Jean My copy has now arrived, and it's a bit better than I expected... The 'look' is getting better all the time... MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5697 BTH PNaunton@a... Mon 7/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 2:35 pm Subject: Re: Best TD sequence Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-06-30 13:05:34 EDT, << What seqence is YOUR particular favourite?? >> Sure I like the 'new' stuff. 'Ricochet' new? Well, you know what I mean. But I really have a primordial connection with that antique sequencer stuff on 'Phaedra' and others in that era. I love the way the guys can alter the rhythm by adding and subtracting notes 'on the fly.' Really surreal music. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5571 Re: Best TD sequence Dennis Nigbur Tue 7/1/1997 2 KB 5653 Re: Best TD sequence GrafZeigen@a... Sat 7/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Re-broadcast of netcast Really-From: Peter Ravn Hi The re-broadcast of the Netcast is now up and running - tune in at http://www.netstore.de/tadream/livemusic/ Best regards, Peter Ravn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 4:49 pm Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info -- The World Wants to Know Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >Sat, 2 Apr - Convention Center Music Hall, Cleveland > >Sat, 2 Apr - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Avery Fisher Hall, NYC > > (Francisco S.C. claims TD played New York City on the > 2nd. > > Can anyone corroborate this? Note, something written > on > > a fantape is _not_ sufficient reason to rearrange the > > chronology because to paraphrase Bongo ('Life in > Hell'): > > 'Errors can be made.') > April 2 they played Cleveland. I have a copy of the listing from the > newspaper, and I have a friend who was there. I also have an ad from > the > New York Times that lists April 5 at Avery Fisher Hall. > Sorry, My mistake, Avery Fisher Hall is april 5, 1977, I check this again and I don't know how I saw a 2 instead of a 5. Definitely A fisher Hall is april 5. ---Francisco > Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 11:51 am Subject: bab 5 Really-From: Michael Fox Those with web access who are Babylon 5 fans: http://www.tvguide.com/tv/magazine/970630/ftr1b.sml From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 4:54 pm Subject: Sequencing (WAS:Re: ) At 11:02 199707.01 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: ashok prema >All of these above sequences belong to the bygone era of Froese/Franke plus >either Baumann or Schmoelling. They have never been matched since Franke >left - it does give credence to Frankes tag of 'Mr Sequencer' doesn't it? >- especially when he followed up with 'The London Concert' which kinda >showed that it really was him in the sequencing seat. Yow! I Agree. It just isn't Chris' sequencing, it's his ability to 'ride' the sequencer to keep it from being boring or monotonous. After all, Chris *did* start out as a Jazz Drummer. When nobody's home, I put in 'London Concert's' _Purple_Waves_ (wonderfully extended) and crank up the volume.....wow '...A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself.' -- Guildenstern, Rosenkrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES *LASERDISK*? Really-From: Steven Feldman Yeah, I know it's an oxymoron for a laserdisk to be named THE *VIDEO* DREAM MIXES, but still, if a laserdisk gets released in the UK, that would be one way around PAL, would it not? I'm not too up on LD specs, but I thought laserdisk compatability was universal. Also, the sound that's taped off a laserdisk would beat the snot out of the sound off a videotape. I've got THREE PHASE on LD and the sound is like that of a CD. So, if THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES never gets a US release, would buying the UK laserdisk be okay for Americans. i.e. would they be able to play it on standard American laserdisk equipment? Why didn't I think of this before?!?! X-0 X-P -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5570 Re: THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES *LASERDISK*? Vincent Goudreault Tue 7/1/1997 3 KB 5572 Re: THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES *LASERDISK*? TangerineC@a... Tue 7/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 11:48 pm Subject: D: Pacific Coast Highway Really-From: Dennis Nigbur Pacific Coast Highway was recorded by Chris after he had left TD and had a break from music altogether. The album marks a new beginning for the man who had been responsible for the sequencer programming in TD music for more than fifteen years, and - voila - there are none of the steady, driving sequencer lines of old around! Instead, the album assumes a very mellow tone, and whereas Chris had been the 'rhythm' of TD for so many years, he makes a point of proving that he has the hang of melody too - some of the songs or passages within these are solo melodies without any instruments to support them. The first side (from 'Black Garden View' to 'Purple Waves' is pure excellence, and almost appears to be a better follow- up to Tangerine Dream's work at that time than the actual first TD release after Chris's departure, 'Optical Race'. It has the peaceful, solemn atmosphere of 'Underwater Sunlight', paired with an immense narrative capacity, reminiscent of TD's 1987 'Tyger'. And more than that, in the last piece, 'Purple Waves', Franke very effectively lets the music breathe, allows every single note to stretch out to its full potential and actually 'rest' for a while - an ability that TD had been masters of in the past, but were starting to forget about. Although the second side continues the overall tone and structure of the first half, my impression is that the individual pieces tend to be somewhat too short here, giving it a slightly disorganised, flawed impression. Still, this is where the aforementioned tendency to concentrate on melody rather than rhythm is most pronounced, for instance in the beautiful 'Crystal Tree'. Overall, a very good start to a successful solo carreer, my favourite pieces being the aforementioned 'Purple Waves', the mellow, almost romantic 'Wheels on Beach Park', and the very calm and melodic 'Lontano Mystery'. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5586 Re: D: Pacific Coast Highway Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 7/2/1997 3 KB 5746 D: Pacific Coast Highway Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 7/8/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 6:42 pm Subject: Re: THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES *LASERDISK*? Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jul 1, 1:57pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES *LASERDISK*? > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > Yeah, I know it's an oxymoron for a laserdisk to be named THE > *VIDEO* DREAM MIXES, but still, if a laserdisk gets released in the UK, > that would be one way around PAL, would it not? I'm not too up on LD > specs, but I thought laserdisk compatability was universal. Also, the Sorry, they are not. A laser disk encodes the video source as a numerical representation of the analog signal, so there will still be the incompatibility in the number of lines (PAL/SECAM versus NTSC). The story may be different with DVD's, since the video there is digital. But I do not know if there is such a thing as a format converter equipped DVD. If you check on a laser disk sleeve, you will notice the 'NTSC FORMAT' caption. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 12:06 am Subject: Re: Best TD sequence Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:52:28 +0100 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: ashok prema >What seqence is YOUR particular favourite?? There are loads of them, but some candidates are... the 'Tangents' excerpt of that song, note, and then jumping up and down all over the place, (reminds me a bit of 'Quichotte Part 2'), exactly it is to be found. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 6:41 pm Subject: Re: THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES *LASERDISK*? Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-07-01 14:29:55 EDT, you write: >Yeah, I know it's an oxymoron for a laserdisk to be named THE >*VIDEO* DREAM MIXES, Yeah, but laserdisk is still video, is'nt it? If it was called the VHS Dream Mixes, then..... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 10:22 pm Subject: seq./keep lp Really-From: LADY OF THE LIZARDS My fav td sequence Diamond Diary. I would guess the keep lps are sitting around in a warehouse somewhere, unless they were destroyed. rr (still waiting for the Soldier to be released on cd) NP: goblins bat (i mean club) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 10:57 pm Subject: Favourite Sequences Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all, >> >> What sequence is YOUR particular favourite?? Whoa! Ash! Gawd! That put the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons... Mmmm...much cranking of the brain box on this one : we've come up with three possible contenders. Dave's favourite : Love on a Real Train Jules' favourite : Logos (The Keep) Honourable mention : Underwater Sunlight's 'Song of the Whale' (DH) Ok, let's extend Ash's idea : what about awards for the following : 1) Favourite 'Air Guitar' track i.e. Froese solo : Hamlet 2) Favourite 'Smoochy' track i.e. perfect for firing up the log fire and warming up the baby oil... i.e. Love on a Real Train (hubba, hubba...) 3) Favourite 'Space' track i.e. what's out there? 4) Favourite 'I wish' track i.e. damn! I wish I'd written that! Any takers? Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5575 Re: Favourite Sequences dbrewer@a... Wed 7/2/1997 3 KB 5592 Re: Favourite Sequences Plumer, Scott Wed 7/2/1997 2 KB 5652 Re: Favourite Sequences K.E Fri 7/4/1997 2 KB 5655 Re: Favourite Sequences Gabe Yedid Sat 7/5/1997 2 KB 5656 Re: Favourite Sequences gilmore@g... Sat 7/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 11:31 pm Subject: Re: Favourite Sequences Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > Ok, let's extend Ash's idea : what about awards for the following : > > 1) Favourite 'Air Guitar' track i.e. Froese solo : Hamlet > 2) Favourite 'Smoochy' track i.e. perfect for firing up the log fire and > warming up the baby oil... i.e. Love on a Real Train (hubba, hubba...) > 3) Favourite 'Space' track i.e. what's out there? > 4) Favourite 'I wish' track i.e. damn! I wish I'd written that! > > Any takers? > I'll take! 1) For me it would have to be 'Song of the Whale'. (both parts!) 2) 'Cool at Heart', definately (tho I've had no one to smooch with for a long time! :-( ); LoaRT is quite good too! 3) 'Birth of Liquid Plejades'. But 'Coefficient of Aural Expansion 1' is also good. 4) A few come to mind, but I'll say 'White Eagle'. Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 12:04 am Subject: Kaleidoscope and origin of TD nom.... Really-From: 'teiwaz barana' Kaleidoscope/TD fans wasn't David Lindley [sp?]--of El Rayo-X fame in that band? --teiwaz _________________________________________________________ Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 12:06 am Subject: Dali Really-From: Ken Beal There has been some discussion concerning Edgar & Dali, wwhich led to messages about the CD: Dale : The Endless Enigma. Well, TMALSH, I have a copy to sell or trade should anyone be interested. Ken From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 12:09 am Subject: another Kaleidoscope/TD connection Really-From: 'teiwaz barana' Kaleidoscope fans continued And wasn't that David Linley [sp?] on the same bill as Tangerine Dream at the Music in the Movies 1986 benefit for the Mill Valley Film festival? Now, who can connect them both to Kevin Bacon in less than six moves? Hint, Harry Dean Stanton may be involved. --teiwaz 'don't make me think--I told you it makes my brain hurt'-mfl _________________________________________________________ Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 9:13 pm Subject: Re: Best TD sequence Really-From: John Christian Previously on !tadream, tadream mailing list said: >I liked these sequences so much, I sat down and learned how to play them. Me too (mimes pushing PLAY button) :) My vote probably goes for the bit after Mojave Plan on the 81 tour (= 3 Tier Dream disk 2). OK and Rubycon, and Ricochet. And all of Force Majeure. And Encore (CC and Monolight). Oh, I give up. I like sequences. -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 1, 1997 8:24 pm Subject: AirSculpture Really-From: John Christian Hi Larry, >Is the new Air Sculpture out yet? It seems like Eurock carried them, will >they still? It's sort of out...the CD is ready but the artwork got held up. We sold some copies at the Jodrell Bank concert sans cases, which will be sent on, but otherwise it's probably about a week away. US distributors will be Eurock and Minette, or to get it fastest you can go straight to Neu Harmony (but I don't know if there will be any price difference). > I'm looking forward to hearing it. Sure love the first two! Thank you. We like this a lot, best of the 3 so far. Please let me know what you think. If you don't know it's a live recording from the Alfa Centauri concert, 74-ish minutes, no edits and 100% improvised (of course). JC np: Airsculpture - Europa :) -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: History Re: cognomen 'Tangerine Dream'? Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >> PS: Does anyone have a definitive release date for the Kaleidoscope > >> album 'Tangerine Dream' -- assuming of course that it really did > > >exist. >> > It does exist, I've seen a copy. I once owned one. There are actually two bands named Kaleidoscope, one from the UK, the other in the US. The former released 'Tangerine Dream' on Fontana, #TL5448, in 1967. >(Ok, 1 more question) And what was the last thing of note that >Kaleidoscope put out? As far as the Brits are concerned, that said album was their first (I and some discographies know of). They released another one (Faintly Blowing, 1969) and vanished into oblivion afterwards. -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Re: THE KEEP & RISKY BUSINESS: Hermes is Right. Sorry Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >>>Yes, I can 'verify' that the Keep was issued on LP; and that I, too, >>>held a copy in my hands. Ask anyone who's known me from that era, and >>>they'll 'verify' my assertion. [. . .] >> >> Ah yes, I remember now. You *did* tell me about this; I apologize. >>I feel rather stupid, now, but also happy that there's someone here who >>can corroborate the fact that this record exists. :) > >I, too, held a copy of The Keep LP in my hands. And I did mention it to >you and the list some time ago. Well, one is nothing, two might be a coincidence, but THREE ? I think we're close to reveal the secret reason why THE KEEP LP was withdrawn from the market - nobody ever bought a copy, so after a few weeks it was taken under as a hopeless looser ;-) -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >So I 'deduce' that the April 2 concert in Cleveland was from the first >part. Does the supposedly 2-LP Cleveland boot exist? I have so much real info: + Christoph told me he'd once autographed one, titled 'US-Tour 1977' + another relieable collector tells me he's once seen one + I have a tape of the show that sounds like it _could_ have been copied from an LP (crackles and all). Still: - no-one has surfaced who actually _has_ a copy - the tape could not be traced back to an actual LP owner - so the item mentioned above could have been a re-packaged, known bootleg (this has been done _many_ times), and the tape just an illusion to those who _want_ to believe Even I've done this 'repackaging' game once (not for a TD bootleg) just for the fun of creating a mystery... But, believe me, friends, this was a looong time ago ;-) And the real keepers of discographies were part of the game, giving it a touch of credibility makes it so much more fun ;-) I'll keep investigating, but on my lists it will remain to bear a big '?' -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >Still questioned: > >Convocation Hall, Toronto [Fri, 8 Apr 77] >Place des Arts, Montreal [Sun,10 Apr 77] What's in question about Montreal ? The radio announcer gives it all, incl. 'on this commercial-free sunday'... -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Edgar, if you're reading this... Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >Tough question, and maybe a bit too personal on my part, but from the >bits of fantapes I've been hearing lately, TD could easily release 5-6 >CDs worth of really high-class material, they've said it themselves. Any >rich people on the list willing to buy the rights from Virgin and then >make a deal with TDI for a certain dollar amount per disc sold? Hmmm. How about this scenario : + to release anything, you need a record label. It could be TDI, or someone else (I have someone in Berlin in mind) + First step : we agree on _one_ particular record, soundtrack, concert, whatever, that we'd like to see published. Then we ask TD whom to contact seriously for the rights for a 1-2000 limited edition. + Second step : we try to fix a contract. Original fees to the owners and/or TD, production cost etc. In an open discussion here on the list we'll see if we can raise the startup money required from list members. And a scheme to pay the investors back, of course. + Third step : let's see if we can get it going, and enjoy our own self-initiated rarity. KLEM has done it three times, so why not we ? And if the pilot project works out, we'll build up from there... Alternatively, we might pursue TDI into a direct, limeted release if we (the list members) and readers of the several fanzines, give them feeling of a guaranteed sale of so-and-so-many copies at such-and-such a price. -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 3:24 am Subject: Re: D: Pacific Coast Highway Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > >Pacific Coast Highway was recorded by Chris after he had left TD and had a [....] >Overall, a very good start to a successful solo carreer, my favourite pieces >being the aforementioned 'Purple Waves', the mellow, almost romantic >'Wheels on Beach Park', and the very calm and melodic 'Lontano >Mystery'. > >Dennis > Smack, smack!... that was the sound of me slapping myself for talking out of turn...so no need to punish me further....but: 'Purple Waves,' as played on PCH, is a mere appetizer compared to the full meal served to us on 'The London Concert.' The latter presentation will fill my eyes with tears every time, it's so beautiful and well executed. Thanks for the review. It was really well done. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 3:09 am Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > ... > >7/28 New York City Palladium > > I just looked in the New York Times on microfilm, and there's an ad > that says the show was cancelled. ... Thanks again, Scott. So this show definitely didn't happen. Sofasogood. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 3:06 am Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info -- The World Wants to Know Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > ... > > April 2 they played Cleveland. I have a copy of the listing from the > > newspaper, and I have a friend who was there. I also have an ad from > > the > > New York Times that lists April 5 at Avery Fisher Hall. > > Sorry, My mistake, Avery Fisher Hall is april 5, 1977, I check this > again and I don't know how I saw a 2 instead of a 5. Definitely A > fisher Hall is april 5. Thanks Scott. Francisco, you win the 'Bongo Award' -- 'mistakes were made.' Do you get the comic strip 'Life in Hell' in Spain? -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 3:45 am Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info -- Date Format Tower of Babel Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) > > >Still questioned: > > > >Convocation Hall, Toronto [Fri, 8 Apr 77] > >Place des Arts, Montreal [Sun,10 Apr 77] > > What's in question about Montreal ? The radio announcer gives it all, > incl. 'on this commercial-free sunday'... At question is not that TD played Montreal on the 10th, but whether they also played Montreal on the 9th as was originally scheduled. The original schedule also called for them to play Toronto on August 4th -- which, if the original schedule is correct, would have been one of the shows that got cancelled. But folks with fantapes claim that TD played Toronto on April 8th. Note: the dates in question are 8/4/77 and 4/8/77 (in the US the format is mm/dd/yy) or if you are in Europe, 4/8/77 and 8/4/77 (in most of Europe the format is dd/mm/yy which makes more sense, IMHO). So the presence of two dates 4/8 and 8/4 is confusing and possibly reflect an error on someone's part regarding whether the date format was mm/dd or dd/mm. Of course, it _is_ possible that TD played Toronto on April 8th _AND_ was _scheduled_ to play there again on August 4th, but that's highly unlikely. This silly Toronto question has dogged us for too long. I'd like to resolve it one way or another. The most sensible way to proceed is for someone to go to a library in Canada and look at microfilms of the old Toronto newspapers on or around April 8, 1977 _AND_ August 4, 1977. Did they play April 8th? Were they scheduled to play August 4th? For what it's worth, my oppinion: The official tour booklet is correct -- TD was scheduled to play 2 consecutive dates in Toronto: August 4th and 5th. Both shows were cancelled though. Someone had a fantape that they _thought_ was from Toronto, and marked it 8/4/77. Then someone in Europe got a copy of this tape and seeing '8/4/77' thought that meant April 4th -- thus started the confusion. There had to be two mistakes made for this to happen. An alternative explanation is that Toronto, April 8th was added to the tour at the last minute and that fantape marked 'Toronto 8/4/77' is correct. The date coincidence of 4/8/77 (under this scenario, a show that happened) and 8/4/77 (a show that was cancelled) still is confusing but a little more understandable. The microfilm in Canada would solve this puzzle once and for all. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5597 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info -- Date Format feldon@p... Wed 7/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 6:43 am Subject: TD INTERNET RESOURCES Really-From: 'SIDEX SA - CENTRUL DE CALCUL' Hi dreamers, I have posted this message a week ago : ' _________________________________________________________________________ Would it be too much to ask for a TD Internet resources 'poll' (i.e. web pages,ftp sites etc) ? You can never trust search engines entirely ! Thank you, Bogdan-Romania _________________________________________________________________________ ' and nobody seems to care about it. It may sound strange ,but for some of us Internet is the one and only 'tresure' of TD related info. I have a good list of MS Internet Explorer 'favorites'. I can zip and send them to those interested. I would like to receive any electronic TD info you have (zip,please). Dear Philip Meyer can you send me off-list those midi files? Dear Antonio Nunes can you send me off-list the source for Mike Oldfield midis? What about a TD Internet resources exhaustive page (at www.netstore.de ???) ? A true fan would make use of it! Mark Filipak what do you think ? Regards,Bogdan P.S. I need a good MPEG video player software for the video files at www.netstore.de. Can someone help with a tip ? The one I have is not so good (don't ask for a name of it,please). Any other Internet TD movies you know about ? Thanks. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5591 Re: TD INTERNET RESOURCES Mark Filipak Wed 7/2/1997 3 KB 5595 Re: TD INTERNET RESOURCES Gary Davis Wed 7/2/1997 3 KB 5615 Extra track on TOURNADO ??? Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 7/3/1997 3 KB 5658 TD INTERNET RESOURCES SIDEX SA - CENTRUL DE CALCUL Sat 7/5/1997 3 KB 5712 Re: TD INTERNET RESOURCES Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Mon 7/7/1997 3 KB 5660 Re: TD INTERNET RESOURCES Mark Filipak Sat 7/5/1997 2 KB 5687 TD INTERNET RESOURCES Klaus Beschorner Sun 7/6/1997 2 KB 5716 TD INTERNET RESOURCES SIDEX SA - CENTRUL DE CALCUL Tue 7/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 9:12 am Subject: Re: TD INTERNET RESOURCES Really-From: Mark Filipak Bogdan wrote: > ... > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Would it be too much to ask for a TD Internet resources 'poll' > (i.e. web pages,ftp sites etc) ? > You can never trust search engines entirely ! > > Thank you, > > Bogdan-Romania > ____________________________________________________________________ > ... > Mark Filipak what do you think ? I think I'll send you these: TaDream (official) http://www.netstore.de/tadream/ TaDream (by Armin Thiessen) http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen/tadream.html TaDream (by HyperReal) http://hyperreal.com:2000/1/music/artists/tangerine_dream TaDream (by Morten Moen) http://www.oslonett.no/~mmoen/tadream/ TaDream (by Pawel Jachowicz) http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~pavel/music/tadream.html TaDream (by Peter Ravn) http://www.dtv.dk/privat/~pr/music.htm TaDream (by Scott Miller) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5544/tngdrm.html TaDream (by Stephan Bischoff) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/tadream.htm Anybody got any more? Cheers -- Mark (thanks for being persistent, Bogdan) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 12:10 pm Subject: RE: Favourite Sequences Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Ok, let's extend Ash's idea : what about awards for the following : My votes: > 1) Favourite 'Air Guitar' track i.e. Froese solo : Hamlet Ride on the Ray. Oriental Haze is a close second. > 2) Favourite 'Smoochy' track i.e. perfect for firing up the log fire and warming up the baby oil... i.e. Love on a Real Train (hubba, hubba...) Logos part 1, after the first bridge. > 3) Favourite 'Space' track i.e. what's out there? Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares. > 4) Favourite 'I wish' track i.e. damn! I wish I'd written that! No contest here: Diamond Diary. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 1:43 pm Subject: Video Dream Mixes Really-From: Michael A Jean I saw a copy of the Laserdisc yesterday in a record store in the building in Chicago in which I am presently sitting...I didn't buy it because I don't have access to a Laserdisc player...I don't know about the format, but I believe it is a US release... MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9114 Video Dream Mixes Lawry Simm Thu 11/27/1997 3 KB 9116 Re: Video Dream Mixes CMOSLover Thu 11/27/1997 3 KB 9125 Re: Video Dream Mixes matt knudson Thu 11/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 1:46 pm Subject: Insightful comments Really-From: Michael A Jean Klaus, You comments are always SO insightful (really).... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 1:50 pm Subject: Re: TD INTERNET RESOURCES Really-From: Gary Davis At 02:03 AM 7/2/97 -0500, Bogdan wrote: >Hi dreamers, >I have posted this message a week ago : > > Would it be too much to ask for a TD Internet resources 'poll' >(i.e. web pages,ftp sites etc) ? >You can never trust search engines entirely ! > >Thank you, > >Bogdan-Romania=20 >' Perhaps your question asks for too much and people don't know quite where to start. Anyway, I hope you'll consider The Artist Shop as a resource for TD. Aside from listing TD and Edgar Froese in our text catalogs, we also have a special page set up for Christopher Franke's labels, Sonic Images and Earthtone Records. That page is at . It's got cover graphics and soundbites. Hope you'll check it out. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad@a... SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5615 Extra track on TOURNADO ??? Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 7/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Toronto 1977: More conjecture Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Mark (and anyone else who's following the '77 stuff), Mark, you're a TD date pedant after my own heart! A couple of clarifications: >>The original schedule also called for them to play Toronto on August 4th >>- -- which, if the original schedule is correct, would have been one of >>the shows that got cancelled. But folks with fantapes claim that TD >>played Toronto on April 8th Actually, speaking only for me--the tape I have came from a fellow in the UK who had it listed as 04.08.77 (in European format, 4th of August). I think VITD lists it as such too. HOWEVER, I just conjectured that it **might** be April 8 (American/European date-format mixup), as that would make sense because the next spring-tour show was in Montreal. But if there was no Toronto show on April 8 in the official tourbook, I'd be much less sure then that this show ever happened. >>Of course, it _is_ possible >>that TD played Toronto on April 8th _AND_ was _scheduled_ to play there >>again on August 4th, but that's highly unlikely. I don't know about that--they were to play New York (and did play LA) again in the summer tour even though they played there in the spring. I would **still** discount the likelihood of an actual April 8 show, but not on those grounds--I would discount it more because the tourbook didn't list it. While I know TD has added shows to their tours at the last minute many a time, now that I think about it the April 8 scenario seems like it would have to have been a mighty big coincidence for it to have happened (i.e., TD played Toronto April 8 in a show added at the last minute, a (mislabelled) tape of it exists--mislabelled as the very same date of another show that they were supposed to play at the **very same venue** on the reverse of April 8 (August 4)). Possible, I guess, but highly unlikely. >>- -- TD was scheduled to play 2 consecutive dates in Toronto: August 4th >>and 5th. Both shows were cancelled though. Someone had a fantape that >>they _thought_ was from Toronto, and marked it 8/4/77. Then someone in >>Europe got a copy of this tape and seeing '8/4/77' thought that meant >>April 4th -- thus started the confusion. There had to be two mistakes >>made for this to happen. Actually, no one actually made the second error in practice--I've never seen the tape labelled as anything but August 4 on a tape list (in whatever the notative style of the given person's list, be it American or European). It was simply me guessing this might be one possible explanation that added that possibility to the mix.. But with Mike Surber's info from the tourbook coming to light, it seems less likely now. >>An alternative explanation is that Toronto, >>April 8th was added to the tour at the last minute and that fantape >>marked 'Toronto 8/4/77' is correct. The date coincidence of 4/8/77 >>(under this scenario, a show that happened) and 8/4/77 (a show that was >>cancelled) still is confusing but a little more understandable. The >>microfilm in Canada would solve this puzzle once and for all. -- Mark I agree that we need to check the papers, but one more theory, to me the most likely yet: the Toronto 1977 tape may not even be from Toronto. We may be giving this fantape way more credit than it deserves for being 'real.' It might just be a copy of another 1977 show mislabelled--possibly in error, or possibly intentionally by someone trying to 'bulk up' their tape collection with false trade bait (I've received a good number of tapes over the years from bogus venues that turned out to be exactly the same as another tape from a different venue). Sheesh, if that's the case they could have at least mislabelled it as a show that was actually played! :-) I'm gonna dig the tape out tonight and start comparing it to some other 1977 shows to see if I can find a match. For all the confusion this tape has caused, I guess we should see if it can be dismissed outright. That might not solve the puzzle, but at least we can know if that tape should even be considered. More to come. --John Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5602 Re: Toronto 1977: More conjecture Plumer, Scott Wed 7/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 2:52 pm Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info -- Date Format Tower of Babel Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >> Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >> >> >Still questioned: >> > >> >Convocation Hall, Toronto [Fri, 8 Apr 77] >> >Place des Arts, Montreal [Sun,10 Apr 77] >> >At question is not that TD played Montreal on the 10th, but whether they >also played Montreal on the 9th as was originally scheduled. > >The original schedule also called for them to play Toronto on August 4th > >This silly Toronto question has dogged us for too long. I'd like to >resolve it one way or another. >For what it's worth, my oppinion: The official tour booklet is correct >-- TD was scheduled to play 2 consecutive dates in Toronto: August 4th >and 5th. Both shows were cancelled though. Has anyone tried e-mailing the family Froese? Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Discographical Entry??? Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Video Dream Mixes >Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:43:38 -0500 (CDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Michael A Jean > >I saw a copy of the Laserdisc yesterday in a record store in the >building in Chicago in which I am presently sitting...I didn't buy it >because I don't have access to a Laserdisc player...I don't know about >the format, but I believe it is a US release... A few questions: o How much is it? o What's the running time? o What company put it out? o Is there anything on this that isn't on the DREAM MIXES CDs? I mean, is everything here the same versions as what's on the CDs? Anyone here have a discographical entry for this puppy??? -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5616 Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Discographical Entry??? Doug Pearson Thu 7/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 4:04 pm Subject: Re: Edgar, if you're reading this... Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-07-01 21:42:50 EDT, you write: > let's see if we can get it going, and enjoy our own > self-initiated rarity. Klaus, just tell me who to contact and i'll seriously be a part of this, just as i'm sure a lot of people on this would be. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 5:22 pm Subject: 'Maedchen' CD5 Limited Edition found Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Hi Folks, I just found six copies of the limited Edition World Tour CD5 'Maedchen...' here in Hannover, Germany in a local record shop (#4970-#4975 of 5000). They are really expensive (about 15.50 $) and shipping (air freight) to the states will cost 5.75$ extra. If anyone in the states (or elseware) must have it, I can buy it for you tomorrow. Please mail off-list (don´t forget the # you want). Jens Peschke, Ronnenberg Germany From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 5:54 pm Subject: blue morpho / also TOTT single found Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Am I having a delusion? I thought there was a TD track called 'Blue Morpho' but I looked through some of the recent CDs and couldn't find it... Is this a delusion or does it exist?? (I ran across a 'blue morpho' today in a photo... it is a s. american butterfly). If it's a delusion don't bother to anwer, I'll just assume you're all out to get me... ;-) (help dr. andrew!) Also, today I stumbled across a new copy of the TOTT single; since I already have it, I can trade or sell this one; if interested please e-mail me off list. This is the one with the Story of the Brave bonus track plus 4 'remixes' of TOTT tracks. lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5603 Re: blue morpho / also TOTT single found feldon@p... Wed 7/2/1997 3 KB 5605 Re: blue morpho / also TOTT single found Marcel Engels Wed 7/2/1997 2 KB 5613 Re: blue morpho / also TOTT single found feldon@p... Thu 7/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 5:50 pm Subject: Re: Toronto 1977: More conjecture Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I don't know about that--they were to play New York (and did play LA) again in >the summer tour even though they played there in the spring. I would **still** >discount the likelihood of an actual April 8 show, but not on those grounds--I >would discount it more because the tourbook didn't list it. While I know TD has >added shows to their tours at the last minute many a time, now that I think >about it the April 8 scenario seems like it would have to have been a mighty big I wonder, though, if the New York show on July 28 was cancelled, and the rest of that leg of the tour (presumably) was cancelled, why not Toronto? I wonder if someone just wrote the wrong date and then the date got transposed? Two errors compunding each other. >I agree that we need to check the papers, but one more theory, to me the most >likely yet: the Toronto 1977 tape may not even be from Toronto. We may be giving That seems most likely. I would bet that the show _was_ scheduled for Aug. 4, but cancelled, and the tape was mislabelled. All of this illustrates why I write out the dates on my tape list, (e.g. Aug. 4, 1977) instead of just using numbers (e.g. 8/4/77). Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 8:38 pm Subject: Re: blue morpho / also TOTT single found Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > >Am I having a delusion? I thought there was a TD track called 'Blue >Morpho' but I looked through some of the recent CDs and couldn't find it... *Red* Morpho is previously unreleased track #4 on 'TD: The Dream Roots Collection' disk 5. >Also, today I stumbled across a new copy of the TOTT single; since I >already have it, I can trade or sell this one; if interested please e-mail >me off list. This is the one with the Story of the Brave bonus track plus >4 'remixes' of TOTT tracks. The remixes are nothing special, just shortened versions. However, Story of the Brave is just as good as the other tracks on TOTT. This was also one of the five 'Crazy Eddie' releases. This means releasing a full length album and then a couple months later releasing a CD5 with ONE new track and remixes of the old ones: Turn of the Tides/Story of the Brave CD5 Rockoon/Interview CD5 Dreamtime/220 Volt CD5 Dream Mixes/2 new re-re-mixes/2 new tracks (2CD) Goblin's Club Australia Morgan feldon@p... P.S. I bought the Turn of the Tides CD5, recorded the new track 'Story of the Brave' onto the end of side one of my Turn of the Tides audio tape and gave the Turn of the tides CD5 to someone as a gift (yes, I used a piece of tape to cover the record-protect hole). n.p. Disk 5 of Dream Roots Collection =) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Not Blue Morpho, but Red Morpho Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: blue morpho / also TOTT single found >Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 13:54:14 -0400 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >Am I having a delusion? I thought there was a TD track called 'Blue >Morpho' but I looked through some of the recent CDs and couldn't find >it. I believe that the third track on CD #5 of DREAM ROOTS is called 'Red Morpho.' -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 9:48 pm Subject: Re: blue morpho / also TOTT single found Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >Am I having a delusion? I thought there was a TD track called 'Blue >Morpho' but I looked through some of the recent CDs and couldn't find it... >Is this a delusion or does it exist?? (I ran across a 'blue morpho' today >in a photo... it is a s. american butterfly). If it's a delusion don't >bother to anwer, I'll just assume you're all out to get me... ;-) (help dr. >andrew!) Well, I only know Red Morpho which is on Dream Roots CD5. Maybe there's also a White Morpho. That would make it complete: Red, White, Blue (dutch flag as well as a dozen others) Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 10:28 pm Subject: To Michal Balcerzak From Claude Roy Really-From: Claude Roy Sorry all but I have a message for Michal Balcerzak Hi Michal! I'm trying to e-mail you but there's seem to be some problems... Could you e-mail me your correct adress. Thanks. My adress is the following: Claude Roy 325 Toulouse Longueuil P.Q Canada J4L 1H7 Thanks again! > >Michal Balcerzak ___________________________________________________________ Claude Roy, Longueuil P.Q. Canada e-mail: e-mail: (site génie civil) (site cinema) ____________________________________________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: More Hairsplitting with RISKY BUSINESS Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: David Datta's Comments re RISKY BUSINESS >Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:41:49 -0700 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >Hold on folks! There seems to be some discrepancies in what Dave Datta >posted. I have before me 2 LPs of 'Risky Business' > >'Risky Business' Geffen/Virgin/Warner Bros. Matrix numbers: side 1: 'V >2302 A-2U-1-1' and side 2: 'V 2301 B-1U-1-1' marked 'Manufactured in the >UK' and 'Made in England' -- this is supposed to be the first issue and >it is quite a bit different from the CD. The above is the First UK Pressing. >'Risky Business' Geffen/Virgin/Warner Bros. Matrix numbers: side 1: 'V >2302 A-3U-1-1' and side 2: 'V 2301 B-3U-1-1' marked 'Manufactured in the >UK' and 'Made in England' -- this is supposed to be the second issue. This is the Second UK Pressing. >They are more similar than we have been led to believe. Then you haven't played them enough. ;) >More to follow when I have time to investigate thoroughly. While you're at it, keep in mind that there's at least three other pressings: o The New Zealand Pressing (same as the First UK Pressing). o The American Pressing (supposedly the same as the First UK Pressing). o Another early UK pressing that I found last year that has the First UK Pressing version of music. Here are the matrix numbers: SIDE A: 2302 A-2U-1-1 SIDE B: 2302 B-2U-1-1-1 Er, ah, it just occurred to me: I never played this version, so for all I know, side B is different from *both* of the other two side Bs. Now, wouldn't *that* be a pain in the ass? Just think, there arer three different side B matrix numbers. They are: V 2301 B-1U-1-1 V 2301 B-3U-1-1 2302 B-2U-1-1-1 [I don't recall if a 'V' precedes the '2302'.] Enough to drive you batty, isn't it? So, whaddaya think, gang? Am I the only one with this version? Anal Retentives want to know! ;) -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 10:54 pm Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info -- The World Wants to Know Really-From: Alan Justrabo > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > Hi All You Anal Types: > > Sat, 9 Apr - Place Des Arts, Montreal > (Note: Scott Plumer does not have this on his list. Was > it rescheduled to the next day so that there wasn't > really > a show on the 9th or did TD play two successive dates in > Montreal? Can our Canadian friends help to clear this up > > by paying a visit to the library?) > Sun, 10 Apr - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Place Des Arts, Montreal > > (From fantapes of the CHOM-FM broadcast during which the > announcer states that it is 'commercial free Sunday.' > This > show must have been added or moved from the 9th to the > 10th.) That would be 'Eh'-nel types. I can't find my LP of Stratosfear anywhere in the basement (which has my program from the show of the 9th in it), but there were definetly two shows, one on the 9th and one on the 10th. I'm not sure if both were originally scheduled or which may have been an add-on. I sat in the back of the hall (the 9th), so my view was not good, but the Laserium II screen (for the live laser show) was clear and very impressive. The music and sound was excellent, though the 10th may even have been better (caught some of that infamous CHOM-fm broadcast). I hope this helps a little, Mark. Al Justrabo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 4:28 am Subject: Re: More Midi Files Really-From: Philip Meyer Well, a few days ago I tried to post the MIDI files to this list, but I haven't seen the message appear back out of the list. It seems to have left my machine - I would have expected to see it on the list by now. Has anyone seen it? If not, I'll post them again (a separate message for each MIDI file this time!). I've also got the 'Too Hot For My Chinchilla' MIDI now, so I'll post that one immediately... -------------Phil Meyer-------------- phil@h... amarok@c... ------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 11:34 pm Subject: Oh no. Not again (was: Re: blue morpho / also TOTT single found) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: feldon@p... > ... > The remixes are nothing special, just shortened versions. However, > Story of the Brave is just as good as the other tracks on TOTT. > This was also one of the five 'Crazy Eddie' releases. This means > releasing a full length album and then a couple months later > releasing a CD5 with ONE new track and remixes of the old ones ... Come on Morgan. Don't bring up that 'Crazy Eddie' crap again. You don't know whether Edgar had anything to do with the release of the 'Story of the Brave' CD5. I'll bet Miramar issued it without Edgar -- and I wouldn't be surprised if they did the excerpting. After all, that music is their property. The only version of 'TotT' that Edgar has released is the TDI version and it has 'Story of the Brave' on it. So please acknowledge that he did the right thing and get off the 'Crazy Eddie' horsesh*t. Okay? Regards to All -- Mark PS: If you are referring to the used car salesman (or electronics or whatever the hell it was that he was huckstering) back in Boston (or New York or wherever it was), then please, can someone come up with a different phrase that doesn't sound like an Edgar slam? -- M (just tired of hearing the same broken record) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 11:21 pm Subject: Michal Balcerzak -- How to contact him Really-From: Mark Filipak For anyone trying to contact Michal Balcersak, here's how: Michal Balcersak His ISP is forcing a name change to something that doesn't have a POP mailer server, so by the time it hits the TaDream list or your mail box, the address indicated is bogus. I have no idea why his ISP is doing this -- they probably don't either. ;-) Cheers -- Mark PS: Michal. Until your ISP pulls their heads out of a dark place, you might want to list your return address in your sig-block so people know how to email you -- a short note in the sig telling people to use it would probably be appropriate too. -- M From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 12:29 am Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info -- The World Wants to Know Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Alan Justrabo > ... > That would be 'Eh'-nel types. ... :-) > ... I can't find my LP of Stratosfear > anywhere in the basement (which has my program from the show of the 9th > in it), but there were definetly two shows, one on the 9th and one on > the 10th. I'm not sure if both were originally scheduled or which may > have been an add-on. I sat in the back of the hall (the 9th), so my > view was not good, but the Laserium II screen (for the live laser show) > was clear and very impressive. The music and sound was excellent, > though the 10th may even have been better (caught some of that infamous > CHOM-fm broadcast). I hope this helps a little, Mark. Thanks a lot, Al. You confirmed what I knew and so... that's it (as Edgar says at the end of an interview) Ciao -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 2:11 am Subject: Re: blue morpho / also TOTT single found Really-From: feldon@p... Ok, Ok, I'm sorry, Edgar! Maybe Miramar were the ones that did it... but 'Story of the brave' didn't appear in Miramar's hands my magic... maybe it came on their original 'master' from TDream and their people edited 8 tracks together for the first release and then edited the three tracks down to fit on a CD5 along with Story of the Brave (pretty darn good editing, if you ask me, I didn't know that publishers made radio versions of their artist's songs, I thought the artists did...) Obviously Miramar was misbehaving for TDream to leave them so forcefully. One day out of hte blue, I called Miramar and asked them if TDream were going to have a tour or anything and the guy told me, well TDream just left us out of the blue. They were going to have a '96 USA tour, maybe just a couple venues or something but it never materialized. Also if memory serves, Edgar himself has stated that they were given less than a couple weeks notice of whether the tour was on or not... Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 1:03 am Subject: Testing 1-2-3..... Really-From: PNaunton@a... 2-Jul-97 I've noticed that some other people are having some transmission problems. I'm wondering if I am, also. Feel free to ignore this posting, it is only a test. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 4:24 am Subject: Extra track on TOURNADO ??? Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I know that someone posted some info about the extra track on TOURNADO... must have been 3:00 AM when I read it because I forgot to save it. Anyway.... There are 10 tracks on the CD, but only 9 are listed, unless my PC's CD player is full of beans. The track-timings are not listed, so I let Cyrix do it.... it's been champing at the bit to do something anyway...:-) 1. Flashflood - 3:41 2. 220 Volt (Big Volt Version) - 7:49 3. Firetongues - 8:18 4. Girls on Broadway - 7:11 5. Little Blond in the Park of Attractions - 5:07 6. Rising Haul in Silence - 7:40 7. Lamb with Radar Eyes (Lost Lamb Version) - 7:49 8. Touchwood - 7:42 9. Towards the Evening Star - 7:40 10. ??? - 7:03 ---------------------- Total: 70 minutes (exactly) Well, gents? Any insights? Guesses? Andrew P.S. Definitely driving music, for those who want to pass time while traversing the Mojave. Or Sahara. :-) It will definitely make your heart beat faster. Those of you on US 101, better have your radar detectors on. Some interesting excursions in 'Touchwood.' The masters listening to the students? I would say a definite Ozrics influence, here, IMHO. I could do without some of the schmaltzy vocals, but, hey, it's just a personal preference. :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 3:03 am Subject: Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Discographical Entry??? Really-From: Doug Pearson tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > A few questions: > > o How much is it? > o What's the running time? > o What company put it out? > o Is there anything on this that isn't on the DREAM MIXES CDs? I mean, > is everything here the same versions as what's on the CDs? Anyone > here have a discographical entry for this puppy??? > > -- Steven Feldman Got my copy from Ken Crane's Laserdisc (http://www.kencranes.com/laserdiscs) for 23.98 plus 1.50 shipping. It's an Image Entertainment laserdisc. >From the back of the laserdisc....I added the running times, they're not listed. I got them from the player's display. Color * Stereo * 59 Minutes (Actually it's 60:03) Running Time Chapter Index 0:39 1. 'Opening Logos' 0:37 2. 'Main Title' 5:34 3. Bride in Cold Tears 7:49 4. Catwalk 6:22 5. Jungle Journey 7:57 6. Touchwood 7:19 7. Change of the Gods 5:33 8. Rough Embrace 7:23 9. Little Blonde in the Park of Attractions 7:21 10. San Rocco 3:29 11. 'End Credits' Firetongues Except for Touchwood the times are within 2 or 3 seconds of the times listed on the back of the CD. Hope this helps, -dep- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 4:47 am Subject: differences in Tournado versions? Really-From: Gabe Yedid Just how different are the versions of the pieces on _Tournado_? There's nothig we haven't heard before, but what are these 'Big Volt' and 'Lost Lamb' versions? Andrew Rosza has hinted there's a change in 'Touchwood'--I thought this was supposed to be just The Forest Mix? And that extra track--is it the Hachfeld solo? Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: A Time For Heroes Really-From: Dave Steiner > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > Really-From: Jim Moore > > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > >A Time For Heroes -- what I know about it: > > >Questions: > > >1- Does TD or Meatloaf play during the vocal? > > >2- Does just Brian May sing during the vocal or does Meatloaf sing too > > > (I'm ignorant -- is Meatloaf a singer too?) > > >3- Did Meatloaf write this or did TD write it? > > > > Brian May plays guitar and Meatload sings on the vocal version > > without TD. TD plays on the instrumental versions without May > > or Meatloaf. > > > > And I believe Jon Lyons wrote both the music and the lyrics. > > > > Hope I've helped. > > Thanks Jim. Yes, you helped. Can anyone confirm Jon Lyons? > > This is such a killer concert piece, I can't believe TD didn't write it. > > Cheers -- Mark Here's the info from the CD insert: Theme Song: 'A Time For Heroes' Performed by Meat Loaf (with Brian May from Queen) Music & Lyrics by: M. Scott Sotebeer, John Lyons, and Rik Emmett Instrumental Theme: 'A Time For Heroes' Adapted and Performed by Tangerine Dream Theme Composed and Produced by Jon Lyons Recorded at Tadream Productions, Berlin, West Germany Mixed by Tangerine Dream and Jon Lyons at Hansa Studios, Berlin, W.G. Master by Bob Ludwig at Masterdisk, New York City Hope that helps! ds Dave Steiner Associate Director of Network Services, Rutgers University Computing Services steiner@b... or steiner@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: RE: Extra track on TOURNADO ??? Really-From: Peter Ravn Andrew J. Rozsa wrote: I know that someone posted some info about the extra track on TOURNADO... must have been 3:00 AM when I read it because I forgot to save it. Anyway.... There are 10 tracks on the CD, but only 9 are listed, unless my PC's CD player is full of beans. The track-timings are not listed, so I let Cyrix do it.... it's been champing at the bit to do something anyway...:-) 1. Flashflood - 3:41 2. 220 Volt (Big Volt Version) - 7:49 3. Firetongues - 8:18 4. Girls on Broadway - 7:11 5. Little Blond in the Park of Attractions - 5:07 6. Rising Haul in Silence - 7:40 7. Lamb with Radar Eyes (Lost Lamb Version) - 7:49 8. Touchwood - 7:42 9. Towards the Evening Star - 7:40 10. ??? - 7:03 ---------------------- Total: 70 minutes (exactly) ______________________________________ Peter Ravn reply: Dear Andrew the first track is the new unlisted track - it's the Emil Hachfeld drumsolo. Then Flashflood runs 7:49, 220 Volt for 8:18 and so on for rest of the tracks. Hope this helps. Best regards, Peter Ravn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5624 Re: Extra track on TOURNADO ??? Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 7/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 11:22 am Subject: D: Phase by Phase Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 *** Standard Disclaimer Applies - All My Own Opinion *** I don't have any of Baumann's solo albums other than this compilation. With 5 tracks from 1976, 5 frm 1979 and 4 from 1981, I assume it is a fair representation of his output. It appears that Mr. Baumann went through a number of phases, each lasting a single album, since the tracks which appear on this compilation fall into three categories which match his three albums - pretty good (1976), not bad (1979) and poor (1981) - I was going to use the word crap but remembered that wasn't allowed. Certainly my favourite tracks on the album - Romance and Bicentennial Presentation (BP) - are from the 1976 period, and my least favourite tracks re all those from 1981 (can't find any good ones from that album!). Of course, this results in the overall album (this compilation) being very patchy and at times it is very difficult to believe that the person who produced a brilliant track like BP could produce such pap as Home Sweet Home - a blatant rip-off of Bowie's Heroes, IMO. I think this is a worthwhile album to have - particularly since I have no other Baumann solo stuff, but can only rate it as 2AS overall since the poor outweighs the good. ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5625 Re: D: Phase by Phase Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 7/3/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 1:12 pm Subject: Re: Oh no. Not again (was: Re: blue morpho / also TOTT single found) Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-07-03 03:19:51 EDT, you write: << If you are referring to the used car salesman (or electronics or whatever the hell it was that he was huckstering) back in Boston (or New York or wherever it was), then please, can someone come up with a different phrase that doesn't sound like an Edgar slam? -- M (just tired of hearing the same broken record) >> lets get it straight: crazy eddie antar was the guy that introduced 'electronics' superstores in ny...he made the phrase 'the prices are insaaaaaane' famous...in about 5 short years he became an empire, expanding at a rate of one store a month...he then decided to evade taxes and defraud suppliers, fled to the middle east, was arrested , extradited and is now serving time in the slammer...td content: always had em in stock as soon as they came out...ill leave the froese applicability to individual meditation... tom w np: world groove - quango comp. of obscurities... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 1:15 pm Subject: a list rarity? Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> OK since no one has really responded to Klaus' idea for a list-generated rarity, I'll throw out some thoughts of my own. First we need to decide on some parameters (and this is purely IMO): Do we want to urge Edgar to release an authentic version of a live concert for which a decent boot already exists? For example, what would be the point of having an official release of Coefficient of Aural Expansion or Sonambulistic Imagery or Antarktis/20th Century Seranades??? Plus there are those on this list who are issuing fairly decent CDR boots of other live concerts and the move to shift fan tapes onto CDRs as boots is increasing exponentially. I expect that within the next 2 years virtually all decent TD fan tapes will be on CDR and that within 3, all TD fan tapes will be on CDR... As CDR burner and media prices drop, it is not inconceivable that within 5 years we will be trading live CDRs and not cassettes... (but maybe I'm just breaking wind here) Now the point could be debated with Live! Improvised! (regarding quality) but I think I'd prefer something totally unavailable to something partially available. Next, whatever we select, I don't think we can expect EF to do much work on it given his tight work schedule and the changing membership of the band (eg: do we want to end up with a tangentized version of a '75 concert?!) so it will probably have to be a raw release in the vein of Tournado. That of course causes problems raised by the quality of the master tapes from earlier concerts. Here I confess ignorance at not knowing whether the masters are recorded directly from the gear (and thus not effected by venue acoustics and crowd noise) or not. Can anyone help out here? I think the choice comes down to a soundtrack vs. a live concert for which either a) no fan tape exists but which was known to be a decent concert (and this is going to be practically impossible to discuss) or b) for which a fan tape exists but which is of a quality too poor to appear on a CDR boot. I say this only because it would not surpise me if the list decided to ask edgar to release a concert, only to have someone here generate a boot CDR of it first -- let's try not piss edgar off with our first project, OK? considering a live release: Third, I think we should eliminate from consideration most all concerts from 1986 onward since they are pretty much the same and lack the improvisation found in earlier material. The exceptions would be, of course, one-off shows such as the Xsess Living Magazine premiere concert... Fourth I think we should eliminate from consideration those concerts for which authentic releases exist (eg logos, poland, etc) even though they may be largely or partly studio creations. We should also not consider any concerts which sound substantially similar to a legitimate live release. This of course raises problems for releases from the tours from which Ricochet and Encore appeared. This might bring us down to those tours from which no legitimate live release appeared 1974 (1975=ricochet) 1976 (1977=Encore) 1978 (which I doubt edgar would touch because of Cylone criticism), 1979 (cancelled) (1980=pergamon) 1981(1982=logos) (1983=poland) 1984 (1 show). Thus we are down to: 1974, 1976, 1981, 1984 and a few one-offs in the 1990s. Now, 1975 shows could be included since there appears to be substantial variety. The 1977 shows seem to show more consistency but might still be considered so we might wish to choose from these years: 1974-77 1981 & 84. At this point, we should appeal to the experts for some nominations: Klaus, John??? Anyone? Considering a Soundtrack release, I would tend to favor this but I have a feeling that Edgar hates dealing with studios and so might be disinclined to assist us in a project of this sort. Then there was Dano's idea that Silva/Ford might encouraged to release some TD soundtrack. Dano/Ford, is anything in the works? We should not choose something which might already be in negotiation elsewhere. My personal vote would be for some of the unreleased Streethawk material (since there is something like 35 hours of it locked away???); this might take minimal work on Edgar's part, Edgar claims it is really good stuff, and it represents a 'classic' era of TD. If we are going to present this to Edgar, it would be a good idea to get some idea of which projects he might be favorably inclined towards... Can/will some of you with close contacts help us out? Klaus, Peter, Jason, Chris, Matt, Jerome.... There is, also, the possibility of doing something without Edgar's consent (if we want to really piss him off). This could be done with a sound track but not, I believe, with a live recording/fan tape. As a few people have informed me, a deal could be negotiated directly with the owners of the material and the artists paid a set fee.... We would, of course, need a producer/editor, etc and we would bear the total financial risk for the project so this seems unlikely.... What about some other thoughts/nominations??? anyone? Lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5632 Re: a list rarity? Jim Moore Thu 7/3/1997 2 KB 5646 Re: a list rarity? m.schaffer@i... Fri 7/4/1997 13 KB 5657 Re: a list rarity? TangerineC@a... Sat 7/5/1997 2 KB 5664 Re: a list rarity? Lars R. Jones Sat 7/5/1997 9 KB 5752 Re: a list rarity? m.schaffer@i... Tue 7/8/1997 14 KB 5665 Re: a list rarity? GrafZeigen@a... Sat 7/5/1997 3 KB 5674 a list rarity? Michael Brenke Sat 7/5/1997 2 KB 5671 Re: a list rarity? TWeibre361@a... Sat 7/5/1997 2 KB 5753 Re: a list rarity? m.schaffer@i... Tue 7/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i.e. Musically)? Really-From: Steven Feldman >Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Discographical Entry??? >Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 23:03:42 -0400 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Doug Pearson > >Color * Stereo * 59 Minutes (Actually it's 60:03) > >Running Time Chapter Index > 0:39 1. 'Opening Logos' > 0:37 2. 'Main Title' > 5:34 3. Bride in Cold Tears > 7:49 4. Catwalk > 6:22 5. Jungle Journey > 7:57 6. Touchwood > 7:19 7. Change of the Gods > 5:33 8. Rough Embrace > 7:23 9. Little Blonde in the Park of Attractions > 7:21 10. San Rocco > 3:29 11. 'End Credits' Firetongues > >Except for Touchwood the times are within 2 or 3 seconds of the times >listed on the back of the CD. By 'the CD,' I assume you mean THE DREAM MIXES, right? Anyways, one last potential dumb question: are all the above-listed versions the same as those on the CD? And if so, what about the ''End Credits' Firetongues' track? Is this an excerpt, a version that fades out at the 3 min. 29 sec. mark, or a version not heard until now? And for that matter, are ''Opening Logos'' and ''Main'' title short TD interludes, or something the laserdisk company did? Okay, so :39 and :37 songs are no great reason to buy an entire laserdisk, but that's more or less the story on the RISKY BUSINESS AUDIO KIT -- which features the shortest TD track ever: seven seconds!!! :( :( :( :( ;) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5679 Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i. Doug Pearson Sun 7/6/1997 4 KB 5680 Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i. Mark Filipak Sun 7/6/1997 3 KB 5743 Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i. Doug Pearson Tue 7/8/1997 3 KB 5745 Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i. Mark Filipak Tue 7/8/1997 4 KB 5775 Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i. Doug Pearson Wed 7/9/1997 4 KB 5858 Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i. Mark Filipak Fri 7/11/1997 3 KB 5875 Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i. Doug Pearson Sun 7/13/1997 3 KB 5878 Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i. Mark Filipak Sun 7/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 3:19 pm Subject: RE: Extra track on TOURNADO ??? Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate your message written at 11:27 AM 7/3/97 +0200, tadream mailing list. You wrote: >Really-From: Peter Ravn [...]> >1. Flashflood - 3:41 >2. 220 Volt (Big Volt Version) - 7:49 >3. Firetongues - 8:18 >4. Girls on Broadway - 7:11 >5. Little Blond in the Park of Attractions - 5:07 >6. Rising Haul in Silence - 7:40 >7. Lamb with Radar Eyes (Lost Lamb Version) - 7:49 >8. Touchwood - 7:42 >9. Towards the Evening Star - 7:40 >10. ??? - 7:03 >---------------------- >Total: 70 minutes (exactly) >______________________________________ >Peter Ravn reply: >Dear Andrew the first track is the new unlisted track - it's the Emil > Hachfeld drumsolo. > >Then Flashflood runs 7:49, 220 Volt for 8:18 and so on for rest of the > tracks. > >Hope this helps. Definitetly. Thanks, Peter. It just shows you how much attention I pay to titles of tunes. :-( So, on the above list, everything is shifted down by one, the track 1 is Emil Hatchfeld's drum solo (3:41). Y'all pay attention now: this message will not be repeated. :-) :-) > >Best regards, >Peter Ravn > Again, thanks Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 3:24 pm Subject: Re: D: Phase by Phase Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate your message written at 11:22 AM 7/3/97 +0000, tadream mailing list. You wrote: >Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > > >*** Standard Disclaimer Applies - All My Own Opinion *** > >I don't have any of Baumann's solo albums other than this compilation. With 5 >tracks from 1976, 5 frm 1979 and 4 from 1981, I assume it is a fair >representation of his output. [..... Craig's intelligent comments snipped ....] I agree so much so that I am willing to swap my copy for something I don't have. :-( Any 'collectors' feel compelled? Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 3:14 pm Subject: E-mail address change Really-From: 'Florine Epure' Hi fellow dreamers, After a week off line I'm back on the list on my new e-mail address: florine@c... Any CD goodies that I missed? Florin. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: One More Reason I'm in No Rush to Hear TOURNADO Really-From: Steven Feldman >RE: Extra track on TOURNADO ??? >Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 09:19:29 -0600 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > >[. . .] track 1 is Emil Hatchfeld's drum solo (3:41). A ****-ing *drum* solo?!?! :( :( :( I thought TD was an e-music outfit! First ****-ing saxophones, and now drum solos?!?! ****! Give me a break. And how about the fact that this ****-ing album has a live version of a live track--and said live track was the title track to the live album it came from even! And you all thought that it was pathetic that the Das Madchen 97 CD was a remix of a remix (of White Eagle, originally)? Now I've seen it all! :( ;) :) What's next? I think whoever made the joke about 'Edgar, Lord of the Dance' perhaps wasn't being as inane as I at first thought. ;) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5630 Re: One More Reason I'm in No Rush to Hear TOURNA Sean Montgomery Thu 7/3/1997 3 KB 5634 Re: One More Reason I'm in No Rush to Hear TOURNA feldon@p... Thu 7/3/1997 3 KB 5636 Re: One More Reason I'm in No Rush to Hear TOURNA Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 7/4/1997 3 KB 5639 Re: One More Reason I'm in No Rush to Hear TOURNA Steve Hinksman Fri 7/4/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 4:42 pm Subject: Brussels Cirque Royale 1980 Really-From: Gabe Yedid I got this concert extract from a friend last week. This has got to be one of the most far-out concerts I've ever heard from them--even more so than the 70s stuff!. Lots of great dissonance and surreal-sounding passages. For those who haven't heard it, this is the source concert for the 'unexpected death' sequence of _Kamikaze 1989_ (aka 'Juniper Mascara'). It has no material in common with 'Quichotte' or _Tangram_, but the last section is straight out of 'Force Majeure'. It's pretty unique to me, and I'd vote for the whole concert as our 'rarity project'. Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5633 Re: Brussels Cirque Royale 1980 Jim Moore Thu 7/3/1997 2 KB 5635 Re: Brussels Cirque Royale 1980 Gabe Yedid Fri 7/4/1997 2 KB 5641 Re: Brussels Cirque Royale 1980 John Christian Fri 7/4/1997 2 KB 5647 Re: Brussels Cirque Royale 1980 Marcel Engels Fri 7/4/1997 3 KB 5651 Re: Brussels Cirque Royale 1980 van hove Fri 7/4/1997 2 KB 5654 Re: Brussels Cirque Royale 1980 Gabe Yedid Sat 7/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 5:08 pm Subject: Miramar and TD CD singles Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves Hello, Nice speculating by people about how the Miramar CD singles by TD were released. I can tell you that every item released by Miramar requiered Edgar Froese's approval. Even the Promotional CD singles. The whole reason the singles existed anyway was so Miramar had promotional singles to mail out. Selling them to the public was not the reason for them existing. The album releases by Edgar are as he wanted them. Miramar had no say in the contents or length. If you will have noticed, T.D. leaves it's label after about four albums. Obviously there is a falling out? Not really. Most of the $$$$$ any band makes from a record contract comes from the money paid on signing a contract. There will be royalties from the sale of the CDs to the public. Unless your album sells Millions, do not expect a lot of money in the royalty area. TD albums sell in the less than 100,000 range so there is not a lot of money from that end of the deal. So after a few albums you change labels and get all of the front money again. In the current case Edgar is attempting to go at it himself and also license the music to other labels. The 96 U.S. tour never happened because TD wanted Miramar to pay for the tour. They refused because they are not in the tour business. They did offer tour support materials like the tour posters but that clearly was not enough. I hope this clarifies everything. CHEERS...Matt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 5:53 pm Subject: Re: One More Reason I'm in No Rush to Hear TOURNADO Really-From: Sean Montgomery > A ****-ing *drum* solo?!?! :( :( :( I thought TD was an e-music > outfit! Hey, wait a sec...I guess you didn't hear the Frankfurt concert broadcast over the net. This is not Inna-gadd-da-vida here, it was a very un-90s TD piece, very spontaneous and textured, almost ambient. In fact, I thought it was the best part of the second set! Your other criticisms, however, I have no complaint about. Unfortunately, I must confess that I will probably cave in and get Tournado at some point. I'm a fan, after all. I hope that the band doesn't start titling other albums after other disaster movies....'Voltourno' 'Tourbulance' 'Anatourno' The Towering Intourno... > What's next? I think whoever made the joke about 'Edgar, Lord of > the Dance' perhaps wasn't being as inane as I at first thought. ;) Thank you, Steve....that was me! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'He who laughs last..thinks slowest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 7:13 pm Subject: My mail Really-From: dy709@c... (Scott E. Plumer) Hi folks. My e-mail account at work is going haywire (so what else is new) so I thought I'd let everyone know in case you're trying to get a hold of me. I'll be on vacation next week, and if you're desperate to mail me, try otto99999@a... until July 14. So ther you have it. Have a good week. -- Scott dy709@c... 'All life is a blur of Republicans and meat.' -B. Griffith From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 8:03 pm Subject: RE: a list rarity? Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >OK since no one has really responded to Klaus' idea for a list-generated >rarity, I'll throw out some thoughts of my own. Ditto. Streethawk! 'A committee is a cul-de-sac down which ideas are lured and then quietly strangled.' -- Sir Barnett Cocks jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 8:06 pm Subject: RE: Brussels Cirque Royale 1980 Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: Gabe Yedid >I got this concert extract from a friend last week. This has got to be >one of the most far-out concerts I've ever heard from them--even more so >than the 70s stuff!. Lots of great dissonance and surreal-sounding passages. How much of this overlaps with the 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' (Undulation) CD released a while back? 'A committee is a cul-de-sac down which ideas are lured and then quietly strangled.' -- Sir Barnett Cocks jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5635 Re: Brussels Cirque Royale 1980 Gabe Yedid Fri 7/4/1997 2 KB 5641 Re: Brussels Cirque Royale 1980 John Christian Fri 7/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 3, 1997 10:44 pm Subject: Re: One More Reason I'm in No Rush to Hear TOURNADO Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: Steven Feldman > >>[. . .] track 1 is Emil Hatchfeld's drum solo (3:41). > > A ****-ing *drum* solo?!?! :( :( :( I thought TD was an e-music >outfit! First ****-ing saxophones, and now drum solos?!?! ****! Give >me a break. > And how about the fact that this ****-ing album has a live version >of a live track--and said live track was the title track to the live >album it came from even! Obviously you missed the internet webcast or the chance to see a live show. I listened to the whole concert over the internet. This drum solo was part of the European tour since day one. It's not a bad drum solo; I wonder if Chris F. ever did a d. solo... Anyway, I can't complain, it's not like it's replacing a better track that could have been put on the disc except maybe unreleased stuff from 1977-1984 :) Also, all of these songs are CONSIDERABLY different from the originals, especially 220 Volt and Firetongues. These really aren't the same. By the same logic, is the Pergamon/Quixochette release a waste of our ears because Tangram was later released and it's essentially a derivative work? Hell No! And everyone whining about they should put Set One (the Vintage set with Phaedra, Logos, Barbakane, etc.) on the disc, how many seconds do you think it would be on store shelves before Jive-Electro and Virgin file a lawsuit? It wouldn't even make it to the distribution channels, my friends! Morgan feldon@p... (donning fireproof underwear) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 4, 1997 12:57 am Subject: RE: Brussels Cirque Royale 1980 Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 3 Jul 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Jim Moore > > > How much of this overlaps with the 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' > (Undulation) CD released a while back? I wouldn't know, I've never heard 'Soundtrack for Fantasy'. Maybe that was the source recording! > jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 4, 1997 3:27 am Subject: Re: One More Reason I'm in No Rush to Hear TOURNADO Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' You wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >>RE: Extra track on TOURNADO ??? >>Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 09:19:29 -0600 >>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> >>[. . .] track 1 is Emil Hatchfeld's drum solo (3:41). > > A ****-ing *drum* solo?!?! :( :( :( I thought TD was an e-music >outfit! First ****-ing saxophones, and now drum solos?!?! ****! Give >me a break. > And how about the fact that this ****-ing album has a live version >of a live track--and said live track was the title track to the live >album it came from even! > And you all thought that it was pathetic that the Das Madchen 97 CD >was a remix of a remix (of White Eagle, originally)? Now I've seen it >all! :( ;) :) > What's next? I think whoever made the joke about 'Edgar, Lord of >the Dance' perhaps wasn't being as inane as I at first thought. ;) > I have been listening to a lot of Ozrics lately and I am telling y'all that the cross-influences are definitely there. The unmistakable TD sound is there, no doubt, but I still would want to know who is 'borrowing' from whom. >:-| I have had a hard time with post-'220 Volts' TD, but I am finally getting in the mood. All in all, if one forgets where one dropped in on the TD scene (mine was at 'Phaedra'), 'Tournado' can be quite exciting. It's good music, even if it is not the TD we learned to love aeons ago. Just my opinion, of course. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 4, 1997 5:38 am Subject: Edgar, Dali & Art Really-From: Boneheads1@a... I was very impressed with the early albums of TD in that Edgar also painted several of the album covers, inside & out (Phaedra, Atem, Zeit). Then Monique took over with some amazing photography. In my early exposure to electronic music I remember seeing scores written out that also looked very much like art, not notes but shapes, squiggles, images, etc. So I always assumed that visualization is a big part of TD's conceptual/creative process. I know they have said that much of their early music was attempting to create aural landscapes, as the album art reinforces. Of course they have expanded their range quite a bit over the years, and much of their music goes far beyond mere imagery, but I believe roots are roots, and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. As Gabe said, I don't think he's done half bad. Certainly Edgar's not unique in the use of music for imagery, but the originality of his approach to the sounds (through the technology), and his beautiful sense of balance between economy, variety, familiarity and the surreal reveals a lot of affinity with the visual arts. I think it's a great combination don't you? Tim Scallon Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5643 Tangerine Ambience II Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 7/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re[2]: One More Reason I'm in No Rush to Hear TOURNADO Really-From: aaron.collett@c... re - Ozrics simularity. I too had noticed that the Ozrics do indeed sound very much like TD. Also you may find that the Future Sound Of London (although not sounding exactly like TD) also are fairly simular. They have actually been seen as the 'new' TD. What struck me the other day was... how long are TD going to be around for. Once old Edgar has had enough is Jeromey-boy going to take over the controls over the tangerine? Could we still be hearing new music from this band for another 30 odd years? AZ ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: One More Reason I'm in No Rush to Hear TOURNADO Author: at internet Date: 03/07/97 21:27 Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' You wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >>RE: Extra track on TOURNADO ??? >>Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 09:19:29 -0600 >>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> >>[. . .] track 1 is Emil Hatchfeld's drum solo (3:41). > > A ****-ing *drum* solo?!?! :( :( :( I thought TD was an e-music >outfit! First ****-ing saxophones, and now drum solos?!?! ****! Give >me a break. > And how about the fact that this ****-ing album has a live version >of a live track--and said live track was the title track to the live >album it came from even! > And you all thought that it was pathetic that the Das Madchen 97 CD >was a remix of a remix (of White Eagle, originally)? Now I've seen it >all! :( ;) :) > What's next? I think whoever made the joke about 'Edgar, Lord of >the Dance' perhaps wasn't being as inane as I at first thought. ;) > I have been listening to a lot of Ozrics lately and I am telling y'all that the cross-influences are definitely there. The unmistakable TD sound is there, no doubt, but I still would want to know who is 'borrowing' from whom. >:-| I have had a hard time with post-'220 Volts' TD, but I am finally getting in the mood. All in all, if one forgets where one dropped in on the TD scene (mine was at 'Phaedra'), 'Tournado' can be quite exciting. It's good music, even if it is not the TD we learned to love aeons ago. Just my opinion, of course. Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5644 Re: Re[2]: One More Reason I'm in No Rush to Hear Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 7/4/1997 4 KB 5650 Re: Re[2]: One More Reason I'm in No Rush to Hear TWeibre361@a... Fri 7/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 4, 1997 12:39 pm Subject: Re: One More Reason I'm in No Rush to Hear TOURNADO Really-From: Steve Hinksman feldon@p... wrote: >Obviously you missed the internet webcast or the chance to see a live show. >I listened to the whole concert over the internet. This drum solo was part >of the European tour since day one. It's not a bad drum solo; I wonder if >Chris F. ever did a d. solo... One of my co-workers saw TD here on Toronto on their last three stops (1992, 1988, and 1984? 86?). He told me about the 84/86 show where Edgar put on his Strat to do a wailing solo, and nothing happened! While the techies ran around fixing cables & stuff, Chris did an impromptu 'drum'/percussion solo on his keyboards to cover for Edgar. So I guess CF has done drum solos, just maybe not 'real drums' or planned ones... :^) To complete the above scenario, Edgar's Stratocaster eventually worked, and he just blazed away. Wow, I wish I could have been there, but I didn't discover TD until the day after the 1992 concert, when my co-worker said 'I just saw an awesome concert...', I replied 'Tangerine Dream? I've heard of them, but...', him: 'Oh, here's some of their CDs.' Me a couple of days later: 'Why didn't you tell me about this concert a couple of weeks ago! Aaaargh!' As for whether _Tournado_ is worth getting? Since I _can't_ just go to my nearest CD store to get it, I'll be jealous of all of you who do have it. Unless I come up with a large sum of money and a lot of free time _really_ soon, I'm not going to see TD live in Europe in 1997. I'm just hoping for Toronto in 1998. _Tournado_ will be something to fill the void until then, at the very least. (No, I don't have internet access at home, and my PC at work doesn't have a soundcard, so I can't hear/see the net-cast as a substitute.) All the best, Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 4, 1997 12:54 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream fan from India Really-From: 'Ramachandran R.V.' Dear Klaus and other TD loyalists, Hope you get this message from me. I am and must be one of the biggest collectors of TD music in India. Though I do not have bootlegs, I have in my possession many CD and movie soundtracks which I will list below. Please let me know what you think. All in CD format expect otherwise noted. Studio and Live CD's 01. Live Miles. 02. Optical Race. 03. Exit. 04. Lily on the beach. 05. Rockoon. 06. Rockoon spl edition. 07. Melrose. 08. Turn of the tide, 09. Le Parc. 10. Cyclone. 11. Rubycon. 12. 220 volt 13. Encore. 14. Tangram. 15. Hyberborea 16. Force Majeure. 17. Underwater sunlight. 18. Poland. 19. White Eagle. 20. Pergamon. 21. Ricochet. 22. Logos. 23. Tyranny of Beauty. 24. Tyger. 25. Dream Mixes. 26. Turn of the Tide CD - 5. 27. Book of Dreams. 28. Goblin's club. Movie Soundtracks 01. Heartbreakers. 02. Park is mine. 03. Wavelength. 04. Dead,solid,perfect. 05. Miracle Mile. 06. Catch me if you can 07. 3 o'clock high. 08. Firestarter. 09. Near Dark. 10. Risky Business. 11. Shy People. 12. Sorcerer. 13. Flashpoint. 14. Legend. 15. Thief. 16. Zoning. 17. The Keep - Bootleg on Bluemoon Records, this CD for sale 18. Destination Berlin Looking for desperately The Man Inside, Canyon Dreams and Alexander Square CD - single. Please help ! LP's ( in excellent condition ) 01. Underwater sunlight. 02. Flashpoint. 03. Thief. 04. Stratosfear. 05. Sorcerer. 06. Pergamon - RE-RELEASE OF QUICHOTTE. LASER DISCS WITH TD MUSIC. 01. Sorcerer. 02. Legend. 03. Risky Business. 04. Catch me if you can. 05. The Keep. 06. Three O Clock High. 07. Miracle Mile. 08. Thief. 09. Street Hawk. On VHS tape are the following titles 01. Dead solid perfect. 02. Wavelength. 03. Red Heat. 04. The Man Inside. 05. Heartbreakers. 06. All episodes of Street Hawk. 07. Code name soldier 08. Near Dark Has anyone got the movie soundtrack of TD from the following movies in excellent quality ? 01. Code name soldier also called soldier. 02. Risky Business - unreleased music. 03. Streethawk - TV series. 04. Legend - Unicorn theme not in film OBSERVATION : Parts of the soundtrack of Code name soldier has been taken by the band from their CD's 01 . Poland - Last excerpt 02. Thief - End titles 03. Wavelength, flute solo sounds like Steve Joliffe 04. Logos Parts of the soundtrack of Risky Business taken from 01. Exit 02. Tangram 03. Force Majeure I did not much like the early music of TD esp before 1975. That's why I do not have Phaedra, Zeit, Electronic Meditation, Green Desert, Atem etc. One of my prized possessions is an autographed copy of the cover from Melrose by Edgar Froese while in Chicago in 1992. Also available, on CD -R are a few copies of 3 Phase, Past, Present, and Future of TD totalling about 50 minutes with tracks like Dolls in the shadow, Two bunch palms, Oriental Haze, Phaedra, Love on a real train, Logos etc. Quality is 10 / 10 and a few copies are available on CD - R. Will anyone be interested ? Let me know. The live segment was recorded at Seattle in October 1992. I am interested in obtaining bootleg / unreleased material of TD. Please help and source where I can find. Mostly interested to buy material and swap for what I have. I will list TD material which I like the most. 01. Live miles. 02. Optical Race. 03. Lily on the Beach. 04. Rockoon. 05. Poland. 06. 220 volt live. 07. Parts of Tangram. 08. Encore. 09. Force Majeure. 10. Underwater sunlight. 11. Ricochet. 12. Logos. 13. Tyger - Non vocal parts. 14. Book of Dreams. 15. Goblin's Club - 1st song only 16. Le Parc Best music of TD was from 1980 - 1985, the Franke,Froese,Schmoelling period. Probably the band hit peak in 1983 / 1984. Also looking for Voices in the Dunes, book. Will be happy to hear from all TD fans. Sender's name MR.R.RAJKUMAR. PS -Request for entire movie score list of all TD films which they have scored, other than ones I have listed, THANX !!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 4, 1997 12:48 pm Subject: Re: Brussels Cirque Royale 1980 Really-From: John Christian Previously on !tadream, tadream mailing list said: >How much of this overlaps with the 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' >(Undulation) CD released a while back? The whole 80 tour was fully composed, so SfF is similar to any concert on the tour. The Cirque Royale one is the only one where I've heard any significant improvisation though. Extra lines and sound effects appear all through it (I've only heard the first half though). There's so much added, it begs the question how much they're actually playing on the rest of the tour :( -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 4, 1997 2:08 pm Subject: Favourite bits Really-From: Ian Shillingford On 30 June, Ash asked: Logos just after the 'Wake up' gets a definite thumbs up ('Just play it loud, OK?') Rubycon part 2 (at about 4:30) where the 'choir' sound gives way to the sequencer. Sudden Revelation on Canyon Dreams. Probably simple to understand for you musicians, but to me it's wonderfully ethereal. Tiergarten on Le Parc. A piano playing a simple melody, with some backing - but still magic. Yellowstone Park on Le Parc. Same as above but with a female voice. Ricochet part two. All of it. All of Pergammon ... the trouble is, where do you stop? P.S. Anyone on this list familiar with Helmut Teubner? Excellent stuff but SO hard to find! P.P.S Would it be possible to have, in one post, the names of the tracks on Poland and Logos? I can't go around saying 'I like Tangent part2' all the time From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 4, 1997 3:51 pm Subject: Tangerine Ambience II Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >From CD Now: Advance Orders `````````````` Va-Tangerine Ambience Vol. 2-Tangerine Ambience Jul. 15 Anyone have any information on this? The first one wasn't half-bad.... Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 4, 1997 4:17 pm Subject: Re: Re[2]: One More Reason I'm in No Rush to Hear TOURNADO Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >Really-From: aaron.collett@c... > > > re - Ozrics simularity. > > I too had noticed that the Ozrics do indeed sound very much like TD. Unfortunately, the Ozrics change so rapidly that one never knows how the next album is going to sound. They splinter off in all sorts of directions too... Eat Static, one of their off-shoots, is almost purely techno, yet one can discern the Ozric/TD influence, here and there. Even within single album, I have the impression that the Ozrics are alternating (from one track to next) from a very TD-style, to more jazzy, guitar-driven sound. It is this latter style that I hear TD moving toward. > What struck me the other day was... how long are TD going to be around > for. Once old Edgar has had enough is Jeromey-boy going to take over > the controls over the tangerine? Could we still be hearing new music > from this band for another 30 odd years? No way of telling. There are many on this list whose knowledge of the psyche and creativity of TD goes vastly deeper than mine. I would hope that they would share with us their insights on this. But, my pure speculation is that Edgar has been the creative soul of TD, and Jerome may or may not have his dad's musical chromosomes. Certainly his environment has afforded him the opportunity to develop musically, but my understanding of the nature-nurture controversy is that most attributes, such as talent for music, are inherited (estimates range as high as 70%). Of course, the 70%.... well, in our family both parents are fairly talented piano players (my wife is a piano teacher), while our son cannot carry a tune in a bucket. Or has the inclination to. And even if Jerome is as talented has his mentor/gene pool, will he make a sound that appeals to us? Wouldn't it be a hoot, tho', if we could be listening to TD in the year 2030? I could, then, say to my grandchildren, (bopping to the sound) that I have been listening to this 'band' for 55 years. :-) :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 4, 1997 3:48 pm Subject: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band could be proud of Really-From: Gabe Yedid They're doing a Tangerine Ambience II???? Lord help us (and I'm an atheist). If recent years have taught me anything, it's that the only band that does credible TD remixes is TD itself!!! I cannot find words foul enough to describe what i thought of the first Tang. Ambience CD--although the remix of 'Exit' was quite good. There are a number of accomplished e-musicians on this list--Dave Hughes, Ash Prema, John Christian, Marcel Engels, to name a few. How well do you guys know FSOL? Global Communication? Ozric Tentacles or Eat Static? Other e-music/electronica bands with a great deal of TD influence? Would it be beyond reason for YOU guys to get together, and hammer out a TD tribute album the band (and the rest of us) could indeed be proud of? Ok, I've finished breaking wind now, Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5661 Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band c Mark Filipak Sat 7/5/1997 4 KB 5668 Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band c Paul Nagle Sat 7/5/1997 3 KB 5701 Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band c Gabe Yedid Mon 7/7/1997 5 KB 5670 Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band c TWeibre361@a... Sat 7/5/1997 2 KB 5672 Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band c Marcel Engels Sat 7/5/1997 2 KB 5673 Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band c TWeibre361@a... Sat 7/5/1997 2 KB 5699 Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band c PNaunton@a... Mon 7/7/1997 2 KB 5703 Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band c Gabe Yedid Mon 7/7/1997 2 KB 5709 Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band c Mark Filipak Mon 7/7/1997 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 4, 1997 4:04 pm Subject: Re: a list rarity? Really-From: m.schaffer@i... I know I'm no expert, but this is too good an idea to let slip: > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > First we need to decide on some parameters (and this is purely IMO): > > Do we want to urge Edgar to release an authentic version of a live concert > for which a decent boot already exists? Define 'decent'. You'd get no arguments from me about the two below, but for others it seems that half the time we can't agree on what's good quality or not. For example: I'm very happy with the quality of my copy of The Keep, and yet most of the postings I've seen here compare it unfavourably with a pile of aardvark's bumwipes. And I am an ultra-pedant when it comes to sound quality, so if I thought it was shite, I'd say it was shite. > For example, what would be the point of having an official release of > Coefficient of Aural Expansion or Sonambulistic Imagery or > Antarktis/20th Century Seranades??? The latter wouldn't provide enough new material to make it worthwhile anyway, would it? > Plus there are those on this list who are issuing fairly decent CDR boots > of other live concerts and the move to shift fan tapes onto CDRs as boots is > increasing exponentially. I don't want 'fairly decent', I want 'bloody fantastic'. (Or as close as the condition of the tapes allows.) > I expect that within the next 2 years virtually all decent TD fan tapes > will be on CDR and that within 3, all TD fan tapes > will be on CDR... As CDR burner and media prices drop, it is not > inconceivable that within 5 years we will be trading live CDRs and not > cassettes... (but maybe I'm just breaking wind here) Confucius say: man who try to predict future of recording format is like man who try to pee into hurricane. > Now the point could be debated with Live! Improvised! (regarding quality) > but I think I'd prefer something totally unavailable to something partially > available. And this is what I meant - presumably you're not overly impressed with the quality of Live!... I think it's one of the best boots for quality that you can buy. When people can release dingo's kidneys like Ardem O, then I start to wonder. > Next, whatever we select, I don't think we can expect EF to do much work on > it given his tight work schedule and the changing membership of the band > (eg: do we want to end up with a tangentized version of a '75 concert?!) Ugh. > so it will probably have to be a raw release in the vein of Tournado. That > of course causes problems raised by the quality of the master tapes from > earlier concerts. If they're in as good nick as, say, the Ricochet tapes then we're in luck. If this means things like adding new top lines (eg a la Quichotte 1) then I don't think we've got any worries on that score - certainly from 1980 onwards, you could probably release any concert as is now. > I think the choice comes down to a soundtrack vs. a live concert for which > either a) no fan tape exists but which was known to be a decent concert > (and this is going to be practically impossible to discuss) Maybe, since they're getting access to some nice piccies for VITD, Messrs Matt, Rolf & Peter could ask EF for a wee bit of access to the vaults, a la Lewisohn with the Fab Four? > or b) for which a fan tape exists but which is of a quality too poor to > appear on a CDR boot. I say this only because it would not surpise me if > the list decided to ask edgar to release a concert, only to have someone > here generate a boot CDR of it first -- let's try not piss edgar off with > our first project, OK? I think we're not far off the time when quality boots come to an end, apart from which it's not really worth the effort of releasing, say, more than one good boot from a post-'80 tour. > considering a live release: > > Third, I think we should eliminate from consideration most all concerts > from 1986 onward since they are pretty much the same and lack the > improvisation found in earlier material. The exceptions would be, of > course, one-off shows such as the Xsess Living Magazine premiere concert. A couple of points here:- 1. Copyright notwithstanding, I think there would have been enough material from, say, the Europe '86 tour to have cobbled together half an hour for Livemiles part 1 - take, for instace, the long unreleased track in the first half (ie the bulk of the 'Teknikon 1 & 2' stuff) and, depending on its status, the live version of Vermillion Sands, which went on for about a quarter of an hour with atmoses included. Course, the first bit falls into the 'there's a good boot available' category with Nachtmusik. 2. Berlin '90 has some good unreleased stuff. Not enough for an album, I'd say, but enough to put on, say, a rarities collection. > Fourth I think we should eliminate from consideration those concerts for > which authentic releases exist (eg logos, poland, etc) even though they may > be largely or partly studio creations. Should this apply even when we've only had part of the concert, eg as with Logos? I'd be loath to say yes to that - see below. > We should also not consider any concerts which sound substantially similar > to a legitimate live release. 1. Why? 2. How similar is similar? For instance, I'd argue that, say, the encore from Berlin '80 is definitely worthy of release, but this would surely preclude that. > This of course raises problems for releases from the tours from which > Ricochet and Encore appeared. This might bring us down to those tours from > which no legitimate live release appeared > 1974 > (1975=ricochet) Except there's quite some variety in these shows, as you acknowledge yourself below. > 1976 While doing the background for our Voyager column, John and I discovered (well, I discovered, he already knew) that there's enough live stuff from 1976 _alone_ to fill a multi-CD set! > (1977=Encore) As '75... > 1978 (which I doubt edgar would touch because of Cylone criticism), Let's be honest, it's not great live stuff, is it? :) > 1979 (cancelled) > (1980=Pergamon) Do what, guv? This is a one-off - what about the '80 Europe tour? I know that most of that material made it onto other shows, but if & when I get off my arse and do the Tracklist for the '80-'81 tours, it'll be shown that there was some stuff unique to this tour, apart from which I actually prefer the play order of 1980. Now, a legit release of Undulation .... > 1981 More drooling - not only the Europe tour (early) but also a new set for the UK tour at the end, which more new material than you can shake a stick at. (If it's not too big a stick.) > (1982=logos) 1. Oz '82 had a few nice bits in it which don't appear elsewhere, including a protogenic version of Horizon. 2. We've got Logotypes from 1982 and though it's OK for quality, there's a fiar bit of tape hiss and warbling. I wouldn't mind having the first 25 mins, say, particularly since IMHO the unreleased stuff there knocks the Logos material into a rather large cocked hat. > (1983= poland) > 1984 (1 show). Yep, all flogged to death. > Thus we are down to: 1974, 1976, 1981, 1984 and a few one-offs in the > 1990s. > Now, 1975 shows could be included since there appears to be substantial > variety. The 1977 shows seem to show more consistency but might still be > considered As John himself pointed out to me, they all (more or less) contain a version of Cherokee Lane, and a version of Monolight, but after that there's a veritable bagful of variations. > so we might wish to choose from these years: 1974-77 1981 & 84. Of course, I assume you were looking for a release consisting of one concert, and I've chopped them up into little bits. That's because personally I think (a) we'd get better value for money by having bits from conerts (b) it might be financially more viable for TDI (say) to do it (c) it's possibly a bit of a struggle to get enough material for a post '80 release. Perhaps an idea might be to propose two sets - one covering the '70s, and one the '80s. I know that, given the wealth of stuff from the '70s that might seem a bit mean, but bear in mind we're trying to present a viable release here. > Considering a Soundtrack release, I would tend to favor this but I have > a feeling that Edgar hates dealing with studios and so might be disinclined > to assist us in a project of this sort. Not to mention the rights problems. Plus he may be of the opinion, 'if the studio wants to release it they will, so why should I be involved?' This is probably one for the lawyers - look how long it took for Legend to make it to CD, and that had already been released! BTW, whatever happened to Forbidden? > My personal vote would be for some of the unreleased Streethawk material > (since there is something like 35 hours of it locked away???); this might > take minimal work on Edgar's part, Edgar claims it is really good stuff, > and it represents a 'classic' era of TD. Off the top of my head, doesn't VITD say that TD did want to release this, but the studio wouldn't give them permission for any more than the theme tune? In a similar vein (and maybe with more chance of success) would be for the similar era Vision Quest stuff, for some sort of rarities collection. > If we are going to present this to Edgar, it would be a good idea to get > some idea of which projects he might be favorably inclined towards... And, perhaps more importantly, the cost - it's no good x hundred of us saying 'we'd like such-and-such' if the rights prove so expensive that we can't afford it, or are put off by the price, at least. > What about some other thoughts/nominations??? Depending on how much we as fans were willing to pay, how about a real rarities box, gathering up all those sporadic releases scattered across the globe? Hands up who wants wo see all the Tatort stuff on CD! Virgin could have done this themselves - they could have thrown in, say, the new tracks on '70-'80 (which, incidentally, is, according to Mr Paul Stump in 'Digital Gothic', available on CD) as well as Overture and the Monolight 7'. Nice CD length, but either due to inertia or lack of people in the know telling them what they've got, we didn't get this. Below the flying pig level, how about the following for the '80s box? First 35' of Undulation (1980) Unreleased aka 'Thermal Inversion' (as on Outback Voices boot) 14' (1981/2) Last 15' of Europe '81 tour Almost all of first half of UK '81 (depending on possible conflicts with Logos and whether or not Sobornost was available) 45' Maybe early version of Horizon (see above)? 10' ish Unreleased 25' or so from 1982 Logos tour Grand Total = 2hrs 14' Comfortable for a double CD! Hmmmmmm, a man in a white coat seems to be saying something about time to take my pills.............. MS -- =============================================================================== Mark Schaffer 'You must cut down the mightiest tree in Department Of Mathematics the forest......with......a herring!' Imperial College (Monty Python's Flying Circus) LONDON SW7 2BZ Tel 0171 - 589 5111 x58619 =============================================================================== From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 4, 1997 4:45 pm Subject: Re: Brussels Cirque Royale 1980 Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: John Christian > > > Previously on !tadream, tadream mailing list said: > > >How much of this overlaps with the 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' > >(Undulation) CD released a while back? > > The whole 80 tour was fully composed, so SfF is similar to any concert > on the tour. The Cirque Royale one is the only one where I've heard any > significant improvisation though. Extra lines and sound effects appear > all through it (I've only heard the first half though). There's so much > added, it begs the question how much they're actually playing on the > rest of the tour :( Johns right. I'm listening to the tape and there are significantly more solos played (Schmoelling?). Haven't listened to all the music yet, it's about 100 min. so it's definitely longer then Soundtrack... Quality of the tape is about the same as SfF. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 4, 1997 10:38 pm Subject: See you in September Really-From: Dennis Nigbur Ok, I'll be off the list for the next two months... I'll subscribe again after the long vacation, in mid- September. Cheers for a very interesting and inspiring year, and have a brilliant summer, all of you!! Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 4, 1997 5:03 pm Subject: Re: Brussels Cirque Royale 1980 again Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' I'm now at the piano-part of Brussel 1980. This is totally different then SfF. Force Majeure is now coming, crowd goes wild. Somebody is sniffing his nose? Well that's what is sounds like. I must say that I like this version much better then Undulation. np: tape of Brussel Cirque Royal 13-10-1980 pt.1 (obviously) (Euro-timing?) Marcel Music-page :http:/www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 4, 1997 6:59 pm Subject: Re: Re[2]: One More Reason I'm in No Rush to Hear TOURNADO Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-07-04 11:33:16 EDT, you write: << Also you may find that the Future Sound Of London (although not sounding exactly like TD) also are fairly simular. They have actually been seen as the 'new' TD. >> you must be kidding....whoever 'saw'them as the 'new td'is on crack...and sound similar? please... tom w np: fsol - dead cities From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 5, 1996 7:58 pm Subject: Re: Brussels Cirque Royale 1980 Really-From: 'van hove' Hi, I was at that concert in Cirque Royal. Sory guys but this was not my best concert of TD. They played without energy. The concert two years ago with the Cyclone tour was much much better. Best Wishes ---------- > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5654 Re: Brussels Cirque Royale 1980 Gabe Yedid Sat 7/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 2, 1997 11:26 pm Subject: Re: Favourite Sequences Really-From: 'K.E' tadream mailing list wrote: >Ok, let's extend Ash's idea : what about awards for the following : I`ll go for: 1) Favourite 'Air Guitar' track i.e. Froese solo : 'Cloudburst Flight' 2) Favourite 'Smoochy' track i.e. perfect for firing up the log fire and warming up the baby oil... i.e. Love on a Real Train (hubba, hubba...) 'Tangram' 3) Favourite 'Space' track i.e. what's out there? 'Zeit' 4) Favourite 'I wish' track i.e. damn! I wish I'd written that! 'Stratosfear' Kent Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5655 Re: Favourite Sequences Gabe Yedid Sat 7/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 2:19 am Subject: Re: Best TD sequence Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-07-04 04:45:12 EDT, you write: << > > What seqence is YOUR particular favourite?? >> I like all four pieces on Encore a lot, but especially Monolight (mostly because of the Floydian sounding thing at the end...it's a lot like Echoes, I believe). Desert Dream is also way cool - so ambient and spacey. Far Out, Man!! Graf Zeigen NP: Pathfinder pictures from Mars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 3:39 am Subject: Re: Brussels Cirque Royale 1980 Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'van hove' > > > Hi, > > Sory guys but this was not my best concert of TD. > They played without energy. But c'mon, in terms of trip value? Definitely rates up there with _Patrolling Space Borders_ and 'Horizon'! > The concert two years ago with the Cyclone tour was much much better. > Never heard anything from the '78 tour, can't comment. Edgar himself would probably not be inclined to share this view. > Best Wishes Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 3:43 am Subject: Re: Favourite Sequences Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 3 Jul 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'K.E' > > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > >Ok, let's extend Ash's idea : what about awards for the following : > > I`ll go for: > > 1) Favourite 'Air Guitar' track i.e. Froese solo: Tie between: Quichotte pt.2, Hamlet, Magic Lantern > > 2) Favourite 'Smoochy' track i.e. perfect for firing up the log fire > and warming up the baby oil... i.e. Love on a Real Train (hubba, > hubba...) Tierra del Fuego > 3) Favourite 'Space' track i.e. what's out there? Rubycon pt. 2 > 4) Favourite 'I wish' track i.e. damn! I wish I'd written that Order of the Ginger G(u)ild Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 5:17 am Subject: Re: Favourite Sequences Really-From: gilmore@g... TA>1) Favourite 'Air Guitar' track i.e. Froese solo : I can't say I really have one.. I'd have to give this one a lot of listening. TA>2) Favourite 'Smoochy' track i.e. perfect for firing up the log fire Sections 3 & 4 of Alchemy of the Heart, from Tyger. TA>3) Favourite 'Space' track i.e. what's out there? Somewhere around 2/3's through (don't have times offhand, sorry) of Logos, where it sounds awfully Babylon 5-ish (am I the only one who thinks so? :) TA>4) Favourite 'I wish' track i.e. damn! I wish I'd written that! Twenty Nine Palms from Lily on the Beach. :) -- Graham Gilmore /**********************************************************/ /* Mirabel */ /* gilmore@g... */ /* */ /* Sent from The GameMaster */ /**********************************************************/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 8:01 am Subject: Re: a list rarity? Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-07-03 20:07:25 EDT, you write: >Then there was Dano's idea that >Silva/Ford might encouraged to release some TD soundtrack. Dano/Ford, is >anything in the works? I personally asked Ford twice if there was anything on the horizon regarding the release TD soundtracks, but no answer. I was ignored twice. So, I figure either there is, and he doesnt want to say anything, or he was just ignoring me. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 9:10 am Subject: TD INTERNET RESOURCES Really-From: 'SIDEX SA - CENTRUL DE CALCUL' Hi dreamers, this is the 3rd time (and the last) I post this : ' _________________________________________________________________________ Would it be too much to ask for a TD Internet resources 'poll' (i.e. web pages,ftp sites etc) ? You can never trust search engines entirely ! It may sound strange ,but,for some of us, Internet is the one and only 'tresure' of TD related info. I have a good list of MS Internet Explorer 'favorites'. I can zip and send them to those interested. I would like to receive any electronic TD info you have (zip,please). What about a TD Internet resources exhaustive page (at www.netstore.de ???) ? A true fan would make use of it! _________________________________________________________________________ ' Out of the huge list of members ('true' fans) only 2 (two !) answered :-( Thank you Mark and Gary. Regards,Bogdan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5712 Re: TD INTERNET RESOURCES Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Mon 7/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 9:52 am Subject: Lux Aeternae -- 'Elemental' Really-From: Mark Filipak Well Guys and Gals. I have to jot something down quick about this album. Brian Frick offered it on the list and I responded. I thought that with that name (which I mistook for the title) it was going to be something composed by Gyorgy Ligeti. So I was a little disappointed by what arrived yesterday. It looked like just another new age album and this text on the back sounded decidely unpromising: '10% of all sales go to support the strength and sovereighnty of Native and Indigenous cultures.' Then I put the album on and was blown away. 'Elements' by Lux Aeternae is some kick-ass sequencing. Instruments: ART 2600, ART Odyssey, ARP Sequencers, Kawai K1 & K4, Yamaha CS 40M, Sequential Circuits Six-Trak, Emax II. 'NO MIDI or computers used' it says on the back. It's Jean-Michel Jarre meets Tangerine Dream, except that it manages to outdo both! Highly, highly recommended -- thanks Brian!! :-) Cheers to All. -- Mark NP: Lux Aeternae, 'Elemental' -- on continuous repeat for a day now. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5676 Re: Lux Aeternae -- 'Elemental' Larry E Smith Sun 7/6/1997 3 KB 5678 Re: Lux Aeternae -- 'Elemental' Mark Filipak Sun 7/6/1997 4 KB 5681 Re: Lux Aeternae -- 'Elemental' Brian Frick Sun 7/6/1997 3 KB 5700 Re: Lux Aeternae -- 'Elemental' Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 7/7/1997 3 KB 5682 Re: Lux Aeternae -- 'Elemental' Brian Frick Sun 7/6/1997 3 KB 5684 Re: Lux Aeternae -- 'Elemental' Andy Bloyce Sun 7/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 9:59 am Subject: Re: TD INTERNET RESOURCES Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'SIDEX SA - CENTRUL DE CALCUL' > > Hi dreamers, > > this is the 3rd time (and the last) I post this : Well Bogdan. Share! What have you got so far? -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 12:15 pm Subject: Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band could be proud of Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > They're doing a Tangerine Ambience II???? > > Lord help us (and I'm an atheist). > > If recent years have taught me anything, it's that the only band that > does credible TD remixes is TD itself!!! ... 'Tangerine Ambience' was not remixes. It was performances by bands other than TD -- covers of TD songs. > ... I cannot find words foul enough to describe what i thought of > the first Tang. Ambience CD--although the remix of 'Exit' was quite > good. Gee Gabe. Did you really listen to it? The 'Exit' cover by Dean De Benedictis and was quite good as you say, but his other cover ('Phaedra') was absolutely brilliant IMO. 'Invisible Lights' and 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' were both pretty good too, again IMO. > There are a number of accomplished e-musicians on this list--Dave > Hughes, Ash Prema, John Christian, Marcel Engels, to name a few. > > How well do you guys know FSOL? Global Communication? Ozric Tentacles > or Eat Static? Other e-music/electronica bands with a great deal of TD > influence? > > Would it be beyond reason for YOU guys to get together, and hammer > out a TD tribute album the band (and the rest of us) could indeed > be proud of? I doubt the band will give a damn either way. As for the Future Sound of London, I wouldn't take some of the recent talk on this list too seriously. FSOL is a group of dub artists and IMHO, are pretty thin on composition -- using other bands sounds which they string together. I'm not belittling what FSOL does or the amount of skill required -- it's considerable and the lads are quite clever. What I'm suggesting is: Why settle for a snack when TD is serving up banquets? -- Mark (my $2E-2) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5668 Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band c Paul Nagle Sat 7/5/1997 3 KB 5701 Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band c Gabe Yedid Mon 7/7/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 11:47 am Subject: Logos and Poland tracks for Ian Shillingford Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Ian Shillingford > ... > P.P.S Would it be possible to have, in one post, the names of the > tracks on Poland and Logos? I can't go around saying 'I like Tangent > part2' all the time Well Ian. Here's what I have. I should note that 'Warsaw in the Sun,' tracks 7 & 8 of the Poland project (which are found on the 7' and 12' releases respectively) are indicated as excerpts, but if they are anything like the versions on the 'Streethawk' 12', they may be different mixes instead -- I don't know and will probably never know unless someone posts this information (which has yet to happen). To use this info, just search for the release you have and note the tracks. Then go up to the track list and note the tracks and times -- may require some math ;-) Cheers -- Mark ______________________________________ DOMINION THEATRE, LONDON [6 Nov 82] (evening show) - EF/CF/JS (-- SET 1 [44:31] --) (-- SET 1 cont'd --) 1 00:00 (introduction) [0:15] 9 30:39 Logos 5 [4:31] 2 00:15 Logos 1 [6:16] 10 35:10 (bridge 4) [0:10] 3 04:29 (bridge 1) [2:02] 11 35:20 Logos 6 [6:54] 4 06:31 Logos-Velvet [5:17] 12 42:16 Logos 7 [2:30] 5 11:48 (bridge 2) [2:12] (-- ENCORES --) 6 14:00 Logos-Red [6:16] E1 7 20:16 Logos-Blue [5:28] E2 8 25:32 (bridge 3) [5:07] E2 Dominion [5:25] LP - Tracks 1-8(to 25:43),8(from 25:44)-12,E2 (in 3 physical tracks) as LOGOS [1982] Virgin (GB) V 2257 [1983] Virgin (DE) 205 230-320 (test; early, different mix) [1983] Virgin/Victor (JP) [1982] Virgin (GB) V 2257 VIL 6029 [1982] Virgin/RTC (NZ) V 2257 [1983] Virgin/General Music [1982] Virgin/Ariola (ES) (IL) BAN 2257 I-205 230 [1983] Virgin (MX) LA 532 [1982] Virgin/Edison (PT) [1983,1988] Virgin (DE) 612 605 205 230-270 [1982] Virgin (CA) VL 3282 [1986] Virgin (GB) OVED 167 [1983] Virgin (AU) V 2257 MC - Tracks 1-12,E2 as LOGOS [1982] Virgin (GB) TCV 2257 [1983] Virgin (AU) VC 2257 [1982] Virgin/Ariola (ES) [1983] Virgin (DE) 405 230-352 D-405 230 [1983] Virgin (MX) CS 532 [1982] Virgin (CA) VL4 3282 [1986] Virgin (GB) OVEDC 167 CD - Tracks 1-12,E3 (in 2 physical tracks) as LOGOS [AAD] [1984] Virgin (FR,GB) CDV 2257 CD - Tracks 1-8(to 25:43),8(from 25:44)-12,E2 (in 3 physical tracks) as LOGOS [AAD] [1984] Virgin (DE) 610 381-225 [1984] Virgin (JP) VDP-65 CD - Tracks 1-12,E3 (in 2 physical tracks) as LOGOS [ADD] [1994] Virgin (US) [1995] Virgin (GB) TAND 3 7243 8 39445 2 1 TORWAR ICE STADIUM, WARSAW [10 Dec 83] - EF/CF/JS 1 Poland [22:37] 4b Barbakane [15:49] % (early 00:48 Love on a Polish Train fadeout) (unofficial title) 4c Barbakane [13:51] % (early 13:42 (var on something fadeout) from 'Exit'?) 5 Horizon [21:07] 2 Tangent [15:53] 6a Polish Dance [5:58] 00:11 (unknown) 6b Polish Dance [5:38] % 04:40 (unknown) (shortened applause) 10:00 Polish Dance 6c Polish Dance [4:20] % 3 Rarebird [4:01] (shortened mid & applause) 4a Barbakane [18:00] 7 Warsaw in the Sun Pt.2 [3:57] 02:50 The Smuggler 8 Warsaw in the Sun Pts.1&2 [8:02] 09:20 Warsaw in the Sun 00:00 Warsaw in the Sun Pt.1 14:12 Barbakane 3 04:58 Warsaw in the Sun Pt.2 %(early fadeout) Key: % excerpt Actual times: trks.1-3,4a,5 fr Relativity, 88561-8045-2 (blue title); trk.4b fr Sequel, 1044-2; trk.4c fr Jive, CHIP 22; trks.6a,8 fr ? LPx2 - Tracks 1,2+3,4a,5 (in 4 physical tracks) as POLAND [1984] Jive (GB) HIP 22 [1984] Jive (FR) CA 292 66-226 [1984] Jive (GB) HIP X 22 [1984] Jive/RCA Ariola (CA) [1984] Jive (DE) VL 89284 JV 6616/2 (test pressing) [1984] Tonpress (PL) SX-T 64/65 [1984] Jive (DE) 6.28638 1/2 [1985] CNR Records (NL) (test pressing) 573.003/4 [1984] Jive (DE) 6.28638 X [1986] Rel. (US) EMC 8045 [1984] Jive/Messagerie Musicale (IT) ZL 6626 MC - Tracks 1,2+3,4a,5 as POLAND [1984] Jive (GB) HIP C 22 [1984] Jive/Messagerie [1984] Jive (DE) 4.28638 Musicale (IT) ZK 6626 [1986] Rel. (US) EMCT 8045 CDx2 - Tracks (assumed) 1-3,4a,5 (in 5 physical tracks) as POLAND [AAD] [1984] Jive (DE) 8.28638 CDx2 - Tracks 1-3,4a,5 (in 5 physical tracks) as POLAND [AAD] [1988] Rel. (US) 88561-8045-2 (titles on discs in blue; spindle: 8045-2-1-1T '21'; track 3 indexed but not labeled) CDx2 - Tracks 1,2+3,4a,5 (in 4 physical tracks) as POLAND [AAD] [1988] Rel. (US) 88561-8045-2 (titles on discs in brown; spindle: 88561-8045-2/1(V)) CD - Tracks 1,2+3,4b,5 (in 4 physical tracks) as POLAND [ADD] [1996] Ess. (DE,GB) ESM 365 [1996] Sequel (US) 1044-2 [1996] Dureco (NL) ESM 365 7' - Tracks 6b,7 [1984] Jive (GB) 74 [1985] Tonpress (PL) S-575 [1984] Jive (GB) P74B (Poland-shaped picture disk) 7' - Tracks 6c,7 [1984] Jive (DE) 6.14 254 AC 12' - Tracks 3,6a,8 as WARSAW IN THE SUN (45 RPM) [1984] Jive (GB) T 74 [1984] CBS/Sony (JP) 12AP 3038 [1984] Jive (DE,GB) 6.20382 AE [1984] Carrere (FR) [1984] Jive/Teldec (DE) 12AP3038 CA 6168.470 [1984] Jive/Bertelsman (MX) SL-7139 CD - Tracks 1,4c,5 as EXTRACTS FROM POLAND [AAD] [1984] Jive (GB) CHIP 22 [1984] Jive (DE) 8.26099 ZP (cover artwork tinted brown) [1988] Jive (JP) 32XB-221 [1984] Jive/Carriere (FR) CHIP 22 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5748 Re: Logos and Poland tracks for Ian Shillingford Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 7/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 12:01 pm Subject: Re: (kw) Tangerine Dream was: presentation Really-From: Miguel Angel Esteban >From: alpezi@z... >Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 13:25:38 +0100 >To: JOSE_ENRIQUE_ESTEBAN_MARIN@n... >cc: kraftwerk@x... >Subject: Re: (kw) Tangerine Dream was: presentation Hi guys! First of all, I think I should present myself... My name is Miguel Angel Esteban and I'm from Barcelona (Spain), I love very much Tangerine (specially when the Franke times), I had the ocassion to watch them life. The place of the concert was Brussels, the past 19 april 97, the same day than a Jean Michel Jarre convention (nice coincidence, two nice electronic events in the same city at the same day :-) ). By the way does someone owns a bootleg of THIS concert? Ok, here I have some interesting thing for you: I've just readed that on the Kraftwerk mailing list. Hope it will be useful for you. >Hi! >> >> I'll love to subscribe also a Tangerine Dream LIst... Does someone knows >> about that? >I dont know about a mailing list, but: >If youre one of the lucky guys, who can receive German TV-Channel VOX via >Astra: >Friday, 18th of July 12.10 am >Midnight Magazin: The Comeback of Tangerine Dream >Biography an current Tour-Report.... > > >Greetings from Austria >zilli Cheers!!! Miguel. wwWWww [o][o] ------------------------ooO--(__)--Ooo----------------------------------- Fairlight Jarre Newsletter. Fanzine by the Spanish J.M. Jarre Fanclub email : jestebanm.ccisa@n... web : http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/1176 Price per issue: 150 pesetas Fairlight Jarre c/o Miguel Angel Esteban C/ Rep. Portuguesa, 10 08915 Badalona ========================================================================= From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 1:31 pm Subject: re: a list rarity? Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 17:04:28 +0100 (BST) >Subject: Re: a list rarity? >Really-From: m.schaffer@i... >> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >> First we need to decide on some parameters (and this is purely IMO): [...] >> Fourth I think we should eliminate from consideration those concerts for >> which authentic releases exist (eg logos, poland, etc)[...] >Should this apply even when we've only had part of the concert, eg as with >Logos? I'd be loath to say yes to that - see below. --> My point is only driven by 1) my personal desire to hear more unreleased stuff legitimately released and 2) the sales consideration which is what will ultimately drive Edgar's decision... a case in point is Tournado -- with no new material (aside from the drum solo) how many people are NOT rushing to buy it? Besides there is a lot of white eagle on the logos tour and that's already been released too. >> We should also not consider any concerts which sound substantially similar >> to a legitimate live release. >1. Why? --> again, the sales factor. Need I bring up Tangents and DRC here also? I think the sales appeal needs to be more universal (which IMO unreleased material gives) vs. something aimed at the few hard-core collectors only. I think this project needs to have as wide a scope/appeal as possible... >> (1980=Pergamon) >Do what, guv? This is a one-off - what about the '80 Europe tour? I know that >most of that material made it onto other shows, but if & when I get off my >arse and do the Tracklist for the '80-'81 tours, it'll be shown that there >was some stuff unique to this tour [...] --> agreed; it was a one-off (two-off? afternoon + evening ;-) show and yes some stuff is unique (it is on almost all tours, is it not?) and yes some stuff does appear in later shows which is what I was thinking at the time. If we were to get only one show released, I'd hate for a big chunk of it to duplicate previously released material. Besides, that lessens the sales appeal... Obviously, I was not thinking, at the time, of a live compilation album -- as you suggest here. But the more I think about your idea, the more I like it! >2. We've got Logotypes from 1982 and though it's OK for quality, there's a >fiar bit of tape hiss and warbling. I wouldn't mind having the first 25 mins, >say, particularly since IMHO the unreleased stuff there knocks the Logos >material into a rather large cocked hat. -->agreed -- except (a big except) this is available on a boot; is Edgar going to 'compete' (not the best choice of a word) with a 'released' boot? Besides, won't that lessen the sales appeal somewhat? >> so we might wish to choose from these years: 1974-77 1981 & 84. >Of course, I assume you were looking for a release consisting of one concert, >and I've chopped them up into little bits. That's because personally I think > >(a) we'd get better value for money by having bits from conerts >(b) it might be financially more viable for TDI (say) to do it >(c) it's possibly a bit of a struggle to get enough material for >a post '80 release. > >Perhaps an idea might be to propose two sets - one covering the '70s, and >one the '80s. I know that, given the wealth of stuff from the '70s that >might seem a bit mean, but bear in mind we're trying to present a viable release here. --> I'm in total agreement here although I still say it should be all unreleased/unavailable regarding an OST: >> My personal vote would be for some of the unreleased Streethawk material [...] >Off the top of my head, doesn't VITD say that TD did want to release this, >but the studio wouldn't give them permission for any more than the theme tune? --> yes, exactly, but how long ago was that? Meanwhile, the music sits in a vault giving NO return on the studio's investment; while the series gets re-runs, it is definitely not in perpetual/universal rerun status like the star treks, Lucy or Gilligan's island so it ain't earing a ton of money either. Studios exist to make money. Perhaps now, 10 years later, they could be convinced to release the music (perhaps even to a third party -- Ford are you listening??). The argument could be made that this would increase interest for re-runs and thus they could make more money... Hell, they might even sell the rights cheap just to make something on it. (hahahaha) >> If we are going to present this to Edgar, it would be a good idea to get >> some idea of which projects he might be favorably inclined towards... >And, perhaps more importantly, the cost - it's no good x hundred of us saying >'we'd like such-and-such' if the rights prove so expensive that we can't >afford it, or are put off by the price, at least. -- yes, is anyone in a position to give us some information on this?? >> What about some other thoughts/nominations??? >Depending on how much we as fans were willing to pay, how about a real >rarities box, gathering up all those sporadic releases scattered across the >globe? Hands up who wants wo see all the Tatort stuff on CD! Virgin could >have done this themselves - they could have thrown in, say, the new tracks >on '70-'80 (which, incidentally, is, according to Mr Paul Stump in >'Digital Gothic', available on CD) as well as Overture and the Monolight >7'. --> much of this is available either on legit vinyl or cd/r boot. so i'd invoke the sales argument again. Personally, I can't see edgar getting excited about re-releasing rare/odd tracks on a compilation... I mean, he could have done some of this on Tangents if he wanted to but he obviously didn't. Mark, thanks for your great suggestions regard a live compilation... what do others think? One last question regarding cost. If this is really to be a list rarity (that is, a limited, numbered set of 1,000 - 2,000) are we willing to pay top dollar for it? -- like $40 for a double CD. Edgar is going to have to weigh his $$$$ return on a limited edition vs. the potential income on a general release. If we can convince to release a limited edition I suspect we are going to have to compensate him for it by paying top dollar. So if we consider the bottom line: revenue -- sales: $40 x 2,000 copies = $80,000. (list rarity) [ $20 x 10,000 copies = $200,000 (general release)] Expenses (c'mon guys, help me out!!!) -- design/printing/manufacturing: $6,000 (just a guess) -- production time: $20,000 (help!!, someone??, Ash??) Even if Edgar does the work in his studio the time, etc. will still have to be charged out against the project. So what, something like $500/hour for 40 hours? -- no promotional or distribution costs since it is an in-house thing... (eg, we'd pay postage) -- legal, etc. $10,000 -- Royalties/licensing: $10,000?? (Just a guess) total: $46,000 (list rarity) [add another $24,000 for a general release = $70,000] TD's share: $34,000 (list rarity) [$130,000 (general release)] IS this viable? Would Edgar do it for us 'cause we're fans? Or would he prefer the $$$. Lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5752 Re: a list rarity? m.schaffer@i... Tue 7/8/1997 14 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 3:53 pm Subject: Re: a list rarity? Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-07-05 09:34:12 EDT, you write: << Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >> I think you've got a GREAT idea here, Lars. I would be willing to participate in any way I can to help make this happen! Not only $$$ but I could be useful in designing the packaging and getting it through the printing production stages at very inexpensive rates (this is what I do for a living and I have many contacts, friends, and favors I could 'call in' to get this end of it accomplished). Besides, a project like this would be more a labor of love for me instead of just labor. As far as the musical content, I'll go with whatever the list decides and whatever turns out to be possible in reality. But my opinion on the matter (for what it's worth): I would prefer rare, unreleased LIVE music over any soundtrack recordings. And, I would prefer unreleased STUDIO material over any live material. I figure Edgar must have tons of stuff collecting dust in the vaults that has never seen the light of day...especially from the pre-CD era when most bands recorded more material than they could fit onto an LP. They usually had to pick and choose song A over song B due to time limitations, or maybe song A didn't quite fit with the overall album concept or mood, or maybe so-and so member of the band didn't like his performance in song B...whatever, I think a nifty compilation of stuff like this from different eras of TD would be neat! But I'll leave the logistics of the music and business part of the project to those of you with better resouces in this area...and support whatever you can come up with :-) Graf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5674 a list rarity? Michael Brenke Sat 7/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 6:00 pm Subject: Ordering TOURNADO Really-From: Michael A Jean Those of you in the US without internet access can order it also. You can order TOURNADO over the phone using the following number...total cost including shipping is about &16 pounds ($26)... 1 800 567 9185 (US) Mike Jean, Chicago From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 6:01 pm Subject: DARKSKIES Really-From: Michael A Jean The Sonic Images webpage indicates that they will be releasing the S/T from DARKSKIES (Michael Hoenig)... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 6, 1997 12:26 am Subject: Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band could be proud of Really-From: Paul Nagle Hmmm... > As for the Future Sound of London, I wouldn't take some of the recent talk on this list too >seriously. FSOL is a group of dub artists and IMHO, are pretty thin on >composition -- using other bands sounds which they string together. I'm Compositionally FSOL are about the level of TD when they recorded Phaedra - ie. a bunch of guys tinkering with the technology and releasing the results without agonising over 'is it art?'. Actually I find some of their output pretty fresh and certainly when they succeed they reach heights that TD haven't got close to in my recent experience. >not belittling what FSOL does or the amount of skill required -- it's >considerable and the lads are quite clever. What I'm suggesting is: >Why settle for a snack when TD is serving up banquets? -- Mark (my >$2E-2) Id' be interested in a recent TD album considered to be a banquet. Seriously, I stopped buying some time ago and would gladly start again if I heard something with a little depth.... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ Windows 95 : where do you want to reinstall to today? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 7:45 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience II Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-07-04 20:18:15 EDT, you write: << Advance Orders `````````````` Va-Tangerine Ambience Vol. 2-Tangerine Ambience Jul. 15 Anyone have any information on this? The first one wasn't half-bad.... >> the horror...the horror... tom w np: (and hurting all over) tangerine ambience 1 (' what a fool belieeeeeeeeeves...') Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6978 Re: Tangerine Ambience II neil vanlaten Tue 9/9/1997 3 KB 6993 Re: Tangerine Ambience II feldon@p... Tue 9/9/1997 3 KB 6994 Re: Tangerine Ambience II Sean Montgomery Wed 9/10/1997 3 KB 6995 Re: Tangerine Ambience II feldon@p... Wed 9/10/1997 3 KB 7004 Re: Tangerine Ambience II anunes@m... Wed 9/10/1997 2 KB 7056 Re: Tangerine Ambience II PhilPDX@a... Sat 9/13/1997 2 KB 8694 Tangerine Ambience II K.E Fri 11/14/1997 4 KB 12947 Tangerine Ambience II Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 4/15/1998 3 KB 12957 Re: Tangerine Ambience II Lawry Simm Wed 4/15/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 7:50 pm Subject: Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band could be proud of Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-07-04 20:24:05 EDT, you write: << Would it be beyond reason for YOU guys to get together, and hammer out a TD tribute album the band (and the rest of us) could indeed be proud of? >> forget it...probably one of the best remixers ever, the orb, tried, and failed miserably...dont compound it...let td be...they cant be copied and they cant be remixed...period.... shuddering, tom w np: a trance tribute to kraftwerk (need i say more?) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 7:56 pm Subject: Re: a list rarity? Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-07-04 20:38:40 EDT, you write: << For example: I'm very happy with the quality of my copy of The Keep, and yet most of the postings I've seen here compare it unfavourably with a pile of aardvark's bumwipes. And I am an ultra-pedant when it comes to sound quality, so if I thought it was shite, I'd say it was shite. >> when u guys talk about 'the keep', is it the blue moon records version (bm-12) ? thanks, tom w np: burning spear - live in paris (blue moon records) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5753 Re: a list rarity? m.schaffer@i... Tue 7/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 8:40 pm Subject: Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band could be proud of Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > There are a number of accomplished e-musicians on this list--Dave Hughes, > Ash Prema, John Christian, Marcel Engels, to name a few. If I had more time and the others want it too, I would do it. But in the fall (november) Steve Roach is coming to Holland and they want me to perform before him. This is a great oppertunity(?)/promotion for me and my music. And I want to play a piece newly composed for the show (which will eventually come on the next CD somewhere in '98). So I guess I'm busy this summer. But who knows. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 8:56 pm Subject: Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band could be proud of Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-07-05 08:33:57 EDT, you write: << As for the Future Sound of London, I wouldn't take some of the recent talk on this list too seriously. FSOL is a group of dub artists and IMHO, are pretty thin on composition -- using other bands sounds which they string together. I'm not belittling what FSOL does or the amount of skill required -- it's considerable and the lads are quite clever. What I'm suggesting is: Why settle for a snack when TD is serving up banquets? -- Mark (my $2E-2) >> 'dub artists'? 'thin on composition'? ' td is serving up banquets'? i doubt u wanna get into a 'who's more creative'? thread , do u? please, dont take one word as gospel..listen to fsol and then flame away... tom w np: fsol: isdn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: a list rarity? Really-From: mbrenke@r... (Michael Brenke) Hallo! tml> Apparently-to: mw@r... tml> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) tml> Subject: Re: a list rarity? Please remove mw@r... from this mailing-list because he has no account to the internet. Thank you very much Gruss, MIKE mbrenke@r... --- timEd/2 1.10+ -- |Fidonet: Michael Brenke 2:2448/690 |Internet: mbrenke@r... | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 5, 1997 11:15 pm Subject: ADD SUBSCRIBE PeZzRo0Lz@a... Really-From: John Anus <'PeZz Ro0Lz'@aol.com> ADD SUBSCRIBE PeZzRo0Lz@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 6, 1997 1:04 am Subject: Re: Lux Aeternae -- 'Elemental' Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) Sounds interesting Mark. Brian, or anyone else, do you know where this can be purchased?? Larry >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >Well Guys and Gals. I have to jot something down quick about this >album. Brian Frick offered it on the list and I responded. I thought >that with that name (which I mistook for the title) it was going to be >something composed by Gyorgy Ligeti. > >So I was a little disappointed by what arrived yesterday. It looked >like just another new age album and this text on the back sounded >decidely unpromising: '10% of all sales go to support the strength and >sovereighnty of Native and Indigenous cultures.' > >Then I put the album on and was blown away. > >'Elements' by Lux Aeternae is some kick-ass sequencing. > >Instruments: ART 2600, ART Odyssey, ARP Sequencers, Kawai K1 & K4, >Yamaha CS 40M, Sequential Circuits Six-Trak, Emax II. 'NO MIDI or >computers used' it says on the back. > >It's Jean-Michel Jarre meets Tangerine Dream, except that it manages >to >outdo both! Highly, highly recommended -- thanks Brian!! :-) > >Cheers to All. -- Mark > >NP: Lux Aeternae, 'Elemental' -- on continuous repeat for a day now. > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 6, 1997 1:38 am Subject: 24-Bit WAV File Format Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi All. Does anyone know where is can get a copy of the draft of the emerging 24-bit, 96 KHz, WAV file format. Thanks in advance -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5707 Re: 24-Bit WAV File Format Pixel Mon 7/7/1997 2 KB 5710 Re: 24-Bit WAV File Format Mark Filipak Mon 7/7/1997 3 KB 5719 Re: 24-Bit WAV File Format Pixel Mon 7/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 6, 1997 1:56 am Subject: Re: Lux Aeternae -- 'Elemental' Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) > > Sounds interesting Mark. Brian, or anyone else, do you know where this > can be purchased?? The only thing on the album that remotely looks like a possible source is 'Copyright (c) Aethyr Productions.' Sorry. Perhaps Brian can supply more information -- I'd like to know if this person (group?) have any previous albums and I'd like to get in line for the next. BTW, I'll be posting a proper review of this, but I'll supply a little more info now. Total time: 70:56 as 8 tracks. Shortest track: 2:54, longest: 16:42. The 2:54 track (number 7) is the only clinker on the album -- a children's song more appropos of Raffi (but without verse) than anyone else. The rest are wildernesses of hypnotic, motoric sequencer riffs over microtextures that develop and develop and develop -- the sort of stuff that will prompt your friends to say, 'This is boring. Nothing's happening.' -- you know what I mean. ;-) Track 3 is the long one (next longest is almost 13 minutes) and is really something special. The only thing I've heard TD do that comes to this level is 'Silver Scale' -- reminiscent of JMJ too. The first time you hear it, be patient. It has a 4 minute intro, then it shifts into overdrive. Most of the other tracks start out in overdrive. :-) Ciao -- Mark Still playing: Lux Aeternae, 'Elemental' > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > > >Well Guys and Gals. I have to jot something down quick about this > >album. Brian Frick offered it on the list and I responded. I thought > >that with that name (which I mistook for the title) it was going to be > >something composed by Gyorgy Ligeti. > > > >So I was a little disappointed by what arrived yesterday. It looked > >like just another new age album and this text on the back sounded > >decidely unpromising: '10% of all sales go to support the strength and > >sovereignty of Native and Indigenous cultures.' > > > >Then I put the album on and was blown away. > > > >'Elements' by Lux Aeternae is some kick-ass sequencing. > > > >Instruments: ARP 2600, ARP Odyssey, ARP Sequencers, Kawai K1 & K4, > >Yamaha CS 40M, Sequential Circuits Six-Trak, Emax II. 'NO MIDI or > >computers used' it says on the back. > > > >It's Jean-Michel Jarre meets Tangerine Dream, except that it manages > >to > >outdo both! Highly, highly recommended -- thanks Brian!! :-) > > > >Cheers to All. -- Mark > > > >NP: Lux Aeternae, 'Elemental' -- on continuous repeat for a day now. > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 6, 1997 2:08 am Subject: Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i.e. Musically)? Really-From: Doug Pearson tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Discographical Entry??? > >Really-From: Doug Pearson > > > >Color * Stereo * 59 Minutes (Actually it's 60:03) > > > >Running Time Chapter Index > > 0:39 1. 'Opening Logos' > > 0:37 2. 'Main Title' > > 5:34 3. Bride in Cold Tears > > 7:49 4. Catwalk > > 6:22 5. Jungle Journey > > 7:57 6. Touchwood > > 7:19 7. Change of the Gods > > 5:33 8. Rough Embrace > > 7:23 9. Little Blonde in the Park of Attractions > > 7:21 10. San Rocco > > 3:29 11. 'End Credits' Firetongues > > > >Except for Touchwood the times are within 2 or 3 seconds of the times > >listed on the back of the CD. > > By 'the CD,' I assume you mean THE DREAM MIXES, right? Yes > are all the above-listed versions the > same as those on the CD? As far as I can tell. I did some side by side comparision of some of the tracks between my cd and vdp players flipping the sound back and forth with the tracks started as close together as I could and they sounded the same to me. Except, of course, for Touchwood which definitely was the same song but a different mix as would be indicated by the running times. >, And if so, what about the ''End Credits' > Firetongues' track? Is this an excerpt, a version that fades out at the > 3 min. 29 sec. mark, or a version not heard until now? Firetongues sounded the same as the first 3:29 of the CD version. 'Opening Logos' is strictly Image Entertainment. It's the same kind of intro that's on most laserdiscs. It really puts your surround sound settings to the test and usually sounds much better than the rest of the disc. The music that goes along with 'Main title' could be Tangerine Dream but I really couldn't say for sure. It sounds great but doesn't sound like a 'real song'. It's just their logo floating around in a few pieces finally coming together, copyright info, the title, etc... -dep- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 6, 1997 3:10 am Subject: Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i.e. Musically)? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Doug Pearson > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > > ... are all the ... versions [of tracks on 'VDM'] the same as those > > on the CD ['DM']? > > ... I did some side by side comparision ... and they sounded the same > to me. Except, of course, for Touchwood ... Is 'Touchwood' on 'VDM' just a remix of existing multi-tracks or have any new voices been added by overdubbing? If overdubbed, can you characterize the dubs? -- Instrumentation? Harmony or melody? Percussion? What frequency range? Thanks Doug. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 6, 1997 5:21 am Subject: Re: Lux Aeternae -- 'Elemental' Really-From: Brian Frick tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) > > Sounds interesting Mark. Brian, or anyone else, do you know where this > can be purchased?? Yes: through me, for the cheapest price. Archie Patterson sells them for $15, not incl. shipping. Mario Schonwelder sells them, I'm not sure how much he charges. I will take orders for this CD for a week or so (until July 12th). Send all orders to me PRIVATELY. :) Guess why? *grin* After all the orders are placed, I will make an order for the CDs from the composer. Each CD is $12 incl. shipping in US, $13 incl. shipping anywhere else in the world. I will send the CDs to the respective parties after I have received their payment, via check, cash, or money order. As always, careful sending cash through the mail. All who are interested can contact me. I will get them for you. I have done so for about three or four members on this list, so I am trustworthy :) -- Brian Frick (Co-Editor, Equinoxe) Email: frickblj@w..., frick@b... Homepage: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ Electronic Music: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/emu/index.html Equinoxe: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5700 Re: Lux Aeternae -- 'Elemental' Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 7/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 6, 1997 5:27 am Subject: Re: Lux Aeternae -- 'Elemental' Really-From: Brian Frick > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) > > > > Sounds interesting Mark. Brian, or anyone else, do you know where this > > can be purchased?? > > The only thing on the album that remotely looks like a possible source > is 'Copyright (c) Aethyr Productions.' Sorry. Perhaps Brian can supply > more information -- I'd like to know if this person (group?) have any > previous albums and I'd like to get in line for the next. Well, the composer (one guy), whom I actually know little about, but with whom I remain in contact, indicates that this CD is the only one to be done without MIDI. He plans to release two more CDs, but of more ambient and digital styles. :( Oh, well. I guess you can't win them all. I am not at liberty to post the man's address at this time. I will contact him and ask him to make himself known to you all, if you'd like. However, like I said, I'm probably the best channel to go through to get this CD. I know Archie at Eurock sells it, but for a substantial mark-up. Hope this helps out, guys :) Later! -- Brian Frick (Co-Editor, Equinoxe) Email: frickblj@w..., frick@b... Homepage: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ Electronic Music: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/emu/index.html Equinoxe: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 6, 1997 7:58 am Subject: The comeback of TD (were they gone??) Really-From: 'Carlos A. Martinez' Hello guys! I found this in Kraftwerk mailing list: [quote] Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 18:53:45 +0200 (MEST) From: alpezi@z... Subject: Re: (kw) Tangerine Dream was: presentation Hi! > > I'll love to subscribe also a Tangerine Dream LIst... Does someone knows > about that? I dont know about a mailing list, but: If youre one of the lucky guys, who can receive German TV-Channel VOX via Astra: Friday, 18th of July 12.10 am Midnight Magazin: The Comeback of Tangerine Dream Biography an current Tour-Report.... Greetings from Austria, zilli [end of quote] See ya!! Hasta la vista! Carlos Alberto Martinez Monterrey, Mexico work.......... cmartine@e... home.......... carmarti@i... oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5686 Re: The comeback of TD (were they gone??) Jens Peschke Sun 7/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Lux Aeternae -- 'Elemental' Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@C...> > Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) > > Sounds interesting Mark. Brian, or anyone else, do you know where this > can be purchased?? I've got one one order from Mario at Manikin (30DM). Have a look at http://dsl-online.de/manikin/ for his catalogue. Tell him I sent you. BTW he also is advertising The Nightcrawlers 2CD, available October. Andy. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 6, 1997 10:52 am Subject: Shepherds Bush CD EP $18.99 Really-From: innerviews@p... (Anil Prasad) Just a quick note to anyone searching for a copy of the Tangerine Dream Shepherds Bush EP -- the one from the concert in Britain. A guy named Ranjit Padmanabhan who runs a service called Progtron has a few dozen of them at $18.95 U.S. He's based out of the USA and can be found at ranjit@n... I just received mine from him today -- this is for real. I'm in no way connected with him, but am satisfied with the service. This could very well be your last time to get this disc. I was totally overwhelmed when I found out he had some. ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ Anil Prasad innerviews@p... ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ INNERVIEWS: Your link to exclusive interviews and CD reviews featuring the world's most interesting and innovative musicians! Visit Innerviews at its new URL: http://www.innerviews.org New interviews: Gary Willis/Tribal Tech, Emit/Time Recordings Tony Levin, My Friend The Chocolate Cake, Michel Cusson ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5733 Re: Shepherds Bush CD EP $18.99 feldon@p... Mon 7/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 6, 1997 11:24 am Subject: Re: The comeback of TD (were they gone??) Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: 'Carlos A. Martinez' > > Hello guys! [...] >> If youre one of the lucky guys, who can receive German TV-Channel VOX via >> Astra: >> Friday, 18th of July 12.10 am >> Midnight Magazin: The Comeback of Tangerine Dream >> Biography an current Tour-Report.... >> >> Greetings from Austria, zilli [...] >> >> Hasta la vista! >> >> Carlos Alberto Martinez >> Monterrey, Mexico Thank you for the information, Carlos ! Germans can receive the TV-Channel VOX via Astra or cable-TV. That means: about 40 millions of us 80 millions germans are able to receive and tape it. Carlos, do you want a VHS-pal tape ? It will be 2 US $ for the VCR-tape and about 8 US $ for air freight. I´ll ask some friends to tape it for me. If you are interested please answer offlist. Salute Carlos! Salute nostros amigos ! (yo no hablar espanol :-|) Jens Peschke, Ronnenberg, Germany (Former member of 'Los latinos FC', Hannover) e-mail: j@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: TD INTERNET RESOURCES Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >Out of the huge list of members ('true' fans) only 2 (two !) answered >:-( ,Thank you Mark and Gary. Thank you, Bogdan, for the implicit insult. I personally did not respond because I don't know of any that Yahoo would not spit out and that are reachable from the tadream homepage in two hops at most. Why do you insist on having the obvious repeated to you ? -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: a list rarity? Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >My personal vote would be for some of the unreleased Streethawk >material (since there is something like 35 hours of it locked away???); >this might take minimal work on Edgar's part, Edgar claims it is really good >stuff, and it represents a 'classic' era of TD. I think we should rule out soundtrack stuff at least for the first project. 'minimal work' would leave us with something like '3 o'clock high' :-( All live shows until 1980 were so improvised that any that weren't directly used for one of the live albums should qualify. My personal favourite : Nottingham 1976 -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 6, 1997 12:37 pm Subject: TD cd's Really-From: ashok prema All this talk of producing a TD album.............well Lars, if it helps - I'll arrange for the manufacture of them at a 'trade price' OK? (Around 1750 US Dollars for 1000 cd's inc artwork from films - this is CIF London - shipping to the US would be extra) As for production costs - I don't think you're too far out with your figure - I suspect that when a project is someone elses idea the costs per hour rise - on ones own project - countless hours are put in without costing them! Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 6, 1997 3:31 pm Subject: re: a list rarity? Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Subject: Re: a list rarity? >Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... >In a message dated 97-07-05 09:34:12 EDT, you write: ><< Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >I think you've got a GREAT idea here, Lars. thanks Graf but I can't take credit for this... I was just responding to Klaus Beschorner's previously posted idea. The live compilation is Mark Schaffer's idea so I really haven't contributed anything except hot air :-) But thanks!!! for your support. Now if we could just hear from a few other list members (lurkers too ;-)... even a few simple words scrawled across the screen would help get this thing rolling! What's it going to be? OST, live compilation or live album or studio compilation??? lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5692 Re: a list rarity? Ken Beal Sun 7/6/1997 2 KB 5713 Re: a list rarity? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Mon 7/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 6, 1997 4:53 pm Subject: live?? Really-From: Alexander Bjelke I have just heared the Tournado cd on the tangerine dream website. Lots of great music, but there is something I find strange; As a newbie I only recognised the GC tracks, and I think they sound EXACTLY like the album version (the only difference was that they had added some guitar parts). - is this a kind of playback?? When playing live you just can't get it to sound EXACTLY like the album. I find this a bit boring and non-live. I was at a Jarre concert a while ago and that sounded MUCH more live..... The music is great though!!! Could someone please list the albums which the tracks are taken (played?? ;) )from. Regards Alexander Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5706 Re: live?? GG Mon 7/7/1997 2 KB 5729 Re: live?? Alexander Bjelke Tue 7/8/1997 3 KB 5735 Re: live?? Pixel Tue 7/8/1997 3 KB 5747 Re: live?? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 7/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 6, 1997 5:17 pm Subject: re: a list rarity? Really-From: Ken Beal > Now if we could just hear from a few other >list members (lurkers too ;-)... even a few simple words scrawled across >the screen would help get this thing rolling! What's it going to be? OST, >live compilation or live album or studio compilation??? > >lars I vote for a live album, something pre 1980. Ken (head back into shell now...) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 6, 1997 10:15 pm Subject: Compliments! Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all, >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > >There are a number of accomplished e-musicians on this list--Dave Hughes, >Ash Prema, John Christian, Marcel Engels, to name a few. Whoa! A compliment! Thanks, caught me off guard there... >Would it be beyond reason for YOU guys to get together, and hammer out a >TD tribute album the band (and the rest of us) could indeed be proud of? Well, I was working on a new piece the other night when Jules poked her head around the studio door and said 'Wow! Which TD album is this?' Would this do as a contribution to a tribute album? :) >Ok, I've finished breaking wind now Eh? Hey, Ash. This would make one helluva title for your next album... ;) Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5704 Re: Compliments! Gabe Yedid Mon 7/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 6, 1997 10:15 pm Subject: Never say 'Never'? Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all, >Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > >forget it...probably one of the best remixers ever, the orb, tried, and >failed miserably...dont compound it...let td be...they cant be copied and >they cant be remixed...period.... Want a bet? There are loads of TD sound-a-likes out there. It depends which era you're talking about. For instance, I defy you to tell the difference between TD's 'Rubycon' and Redshift's 'Redshift'. Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5702 Re: Never say 'Never'? Gabe Yedid Mon 7/7/1997 2 KB 5714 Re: Never say 'Never'? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Mon 7/7/1997 3 KB 5721 Re: Never say 'Never'? Paul Nagle Mon 7/7/1997 3 KB 5724 Re: Never say 'Never'? TWeibre361@a... Mon 7/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 6, 1997 10:16 pm Subject: FSOL Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello again, >please, dont take one word >as gospel..listen to fsol and then flame away... Tom, I've heard several pieces by FSOL and my reaction went from 'This is effing brilliant' to 'oh, gor blimey...'. Just my £0.02 's worth... Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5723 Re: FSOL TWeibre361@a... Mon 7/7/1997 2 KB 13161 FSOL Hassinen Ami Sun 4/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 6, 1997 11:18 pm Subject: a list rarity? -- People's Choise Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > [Proposition: Shall the list collectively produce a legitimate > rarity by paying the development money up front, obtaining the > band's cooperation, and helping with the manufacture and > distribution?] > > ... What's it going to be? OST, live compilation or live album or > studio compilation??? I think the most important aspect of this project is that it be successful. If it's successful, other projects will follow. To be a successful first project it must be straight forward and marketable. Before I present my arguements, I want to get to the bottom line for all to see ahead of time. The bottom line is this: We cannot go anywhere without getting Edgar and Jerome's opinions first. We can't choose an OST or live set or studio set. We need to nominate several of each and let _them_ choose which _they_ feel would meet the objectives for a successful first project. If they like this idea, then they will cooperate. If they don't like this idea, then we should stop and not expend our energy and capital on something that's doomed to fail. --< Entering Opinion Zone >-- Before I get into the particulars, I offer my opinion. I favor a live set from the 70's or 1980 because the improvisational nature of the music presents the fewest problems. This is just my opinion. I don't know. Only Edgar and Jerome know for sure. But as the financial backers we should insist on one thing, that we like the choise. Let's not choose something lukewarm because we think it will find a wider audience. WE are the audience. Analog synth is hot right now and we should strike while the iron is hot with a retro choise. There are some on the list who don't care much for pre-Schmoelling music. We can make a compromise that should satisfy everyone and concentrate on and make several nominations in and around 1980. 'Kneuss' and 'Fracture' should do -- though I haven't heard either. Also any of the concert sets from late in 1980 that have been discussed ('Cirque Royal,' 'Newcastle,' 'Preston') LIVE: Forget the quality of bootleg tapes. If the band goes for this, they should be able to provide soundboard tapes of excellent quality. The only consideration should be: WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE SHOW FROM 1980? This needs to be a 'People's Choise' album based on what we want, not what fantapes allow. To minimize list noise, only people who have many fantapes from 1980 should respond. The rest of us should honor their judgement. They should make their nominations based solely on performance, not the quality of fantapes. OST: Who has 'Kneuss' or 'Fracture?' Who has even heard them? Perhaps the folks who have recordings can make tapes and distribute them so that everyone who's interested in participating, can. This is different from live material -- there's only two to choose from, and unlike live shows, they could be very good or very lame depending on what the film producers wanted at the time. So I think the OST nominations should be made collectively. LIVE COMP: I like this idea a lot and so it breaks my heart to write this. I think this idea is stillborn. I can't see Edgar and Jerome putting time into this as a 1st project with the list -- the risks are too high. As a follow-on to a successful 1st project, sure. STUDIO COMP: Depending upon what ownership rights exist to material that was never released -- I think the band owns it -- this could actually be the easiest way to go. The problem is, since this would be stuff that was never released, we don't know what it sounds like. Of course, this is really valuable stuff and the band may not want to 'waste' it on a low budget, low/no profit venture. Again, I think in and around 1980 should be the target for widest list-appeal. --< Leaving Opinion Zone >-- STRAIGHT FORWARD: Only Edgar and Jerome know the logistics to bring each performance to CD (live or studio), what the legal entanglements of the various choses are, et cetera. All we can logically do is nominate material that we (the investors) consider to be acceptable. MARKETABLE: What does 'marketable' mean? Are we going to hear our album on the radio? -- no. Are we going to see it in Tower Records (or HMV or whatever)? -- no, at least not at first (there are many gating items between). Will it be available through boutique mail order and/or over the net? -- probably these are our only realistic distribution channels. How many will we sell? In a sense, this produces a quandry. Bear with me for a little bit. The Marketing Question: Why should Eurock (for example) carry our CD? If we are the total audience, then it's logical that we would supply our own needs first. Who does this leave to Archie as potential customers? Answer: Everyone _not_ on this list. Who are these people and what ('are they doing in my house'... uh! Sorry. I got carried away in a Pink Floyd flashback). :-) Who are these people and what do they want? I think the answer to that is: classic TD. Again, around 1980. These are semi-hardcore TD fans who would buy a limited edition, 'People's Choise' album. These are the folks who (almost) fill the concert venues. There's probably 10,000 of them worldwide who whould buy 1 album for every 10 of them -- 1000 sales total, not counting us -- not a bad number of albums to sell if we could contact all or most of these people. The Real Marketing Question: How do we contact these 10,000 people? The answer is what the answer always is: Advertising and Publicity. ADVERTISING: I think this channel is totally out of the question. I'm not willing to put up even a dime for this. A dollar risked on adverstising is a dollar thrown away IMHO. If we had several million dollars, this would be another matter, but the potenial buyers are just too thinly spread out to make any sort of advertising viable. PUBLICITY: Since this would be a not-for-profit venture, getting free publicity may be possible, at least for a very short time. For this to work though, we would have to do several things first: Note: I'm using Archie Patterson and Eurock only as examples here -- I'm not trying to be prescriptive. 1) Line up the Archie Patterson's in advance so that when the brief spirt of interest happens, there's already product to satisfy the demand. This takes money and the willingness to tie it up for a while, plus it takes faith on Archie's part. 2) Line up as much free publicity as possible. This means lots and lots of grass roots work on our part. Visit your local media providers (all of them) in person and see if there are any TD fans. Talk to them. Tell them about the project and see if _they_ can get the producers/editors at all interested in carrying even _one_ human interest story. Finding marginal TD fans in the employ of media companies is going to be arduous and time consuming. One bonus from a successful project would be even more TaDream list members -- could we hit 50 posts a day? 3) Timing, timing, timing. The publicity spirt and the CDs to Eurock have to happen AT THE SAME TIME. We can't tie up money in inventory waiting for the publicity to happen and we can't afford for the publicity spirt to lead the market demand -- meager though it will be. This means there needs to be a project manager to coordinate things. Let me make this abundantly clear from the git-go for anyone who may be thinking deviously right now : I CANNOT AFFORD TO BE THE MANAGER OF THIS PROJECT. I'm currently having too much difficultly making a living to spend the time required, so I would be a drag rather than a flywheel. I don't mean to be presumptive, but it was bound to come up and I want to be clear from the start. Any volunteers for this job? 4) Assuming that local media have agreed to carry our project as a human interest story, we need to provide scripts, pictures, videos, fact sheets, press releases, et cetera. In short, everything that will make _their_ jobs easier. Nobody (repeat: NOBODY) is going to do _any_ work on this except US. So, in addition to a project manager, we need a promotions manager who can either make all the media kits or coordinate the making of media kits. Any volunteers for _this_ job? Well, that has about tapped me out. This got a lot longer than I thought it would (and this is just the beginning). Cheers All -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5725 Re: a list rarity? -- People's Choise TWeibre361@a... Mon 7/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 12:57 am Subject: BTH Really-From: PNaunton@a... Thanks, guys, (no, not you guys, the BTH guys.) Got mine yesterday. Gotta go now, got some readin' ta do. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 12:57 am Subject: D:Pacific Coast Highway - Warning - No Kudos Here! Really-From: PNaunton@a... 29-Jun-1997 It has been awhile since I have entered a discussion on a recording. According to my records, the last was 'Rumplestiltskin' on May 5th, and here it is almost July. Pacific Coast Highway Christopher Franke Private Music - 01005 82094-2 Published 1991 Purchased 1992 I don't remember if, when I saw this in the record store, I knew that Franke's relationship with TD was over or not. Perhaps I thought that if Edgar could release solo albums, so could Chris. In any case it soon became evident that TD no longer included Mr. Franke and that his departure was not exactly a smooth transition. As it happened I saw this rather New-Agey cover in the bins and snapped it up to relieve the TD withdrawl I was going through at the time and made a mad dash home to listen to it. So there I was, finally, the CD was on the machine spindle and the motor was winding up. I was on the other side of the room, gripping the arms of my chair with considerable trepidation, rather like sitting in the first car of the rollercoaster train looking straight down the steepest hill before the last car is released from the sprocket chain. On came 'Black Garden View' (wierd title). There was this New-Agey music. Bor-r-r-r-ring! Crestfallen and with a tear in my right eye I waited for the end of track one. And then ........ on to track two. 'Mountain Heights' - Oh, please, please don't let it sound like John Denver on keyboards!! - - - - - - There it is; that Franke sequencer style opening the track. Wait for it! . . . . Wait for it! . . . . Wait for it! It's building. . . . It's building . . . . huh? . . . . IT'S OVER! . . . . Wha-happened? 'Lontano Mystery' Nice tune! . . . . If you like New Age. 'Big Sur Romance' Uh, so, do you think Mr. Franke is somewhat taken by North American scenery? . . . . A tribute to George Winston, perhaps? 'Circular Signs Suite' Every time I hear this I expect Kenny G's Soprano Sax to enter the mix. Fortunately it never does. 'Driving Into The Blue' Oh, thank-all-the-holy-saints-and-all-their-faith, this is it. This is _the_ one reason to buy this album. Good construct, good follow-through. 'Purple Waves' I like this one too. Although it really doesn't go anywhere. 'Maulibu Avenue' a bit self-indulgent, no, alot self-indulgent. 'Cinnamon City Cliff' Where's Kenny? 'Wheels On Beach Park' Reprise to track one? 'Crystal Tree' I'm beating a dead horse here. BANG!! One shot in the temple should do the job. Toss the carcass in the lime pit. Most of this music is similar to the cover of the CD jacket. A sepia photo album montage. Nothing really distinctive. Nothing really crappy. Well, I never really did mention the last track; that one is. I remember making a cassette clone of this for use with my walkman in '92. I remember that music going around in my head as I walked around my neighborhood. I remember myself saying out loud, 'This is junk!' The person passing me from behind on the sidewalk gave me the oddest look. I've played this CD twice in the last five years. Both of them this week. Fortunately for me and Chris Franke, he has risen above this distinctively low ebb in his career. Maybe we can forgive his effort here as a excursion into a new area for him. Maybe we can overlook this as a production venture to test the waters, using a weak and more-or-less unprepared repertoire. Perhaps I can use this CD as a coaster to protect the 19th Century Mahogany Sideboard. Phil Naunton After-note - - for a turn-around in Franke respect see my review of 'The London Concert' next week. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 12:57 am Subject: Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band could be proud of Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-04 20:24:05 EDT, you write: << They're doing a Tangerine Ambience II???? Lord help us (and I'm an atheist). >> One thing you can always rely on in this world, is a follow up sequel to a revolting initial effort. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5703 Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band c Gabe Yedid Mon 7/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 5:30 am Subject: Re: Lux Aeternae -- 'Elemental' Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate your message written at 12:21 AM 7/6/97 -0500, tadream mailing list. You wrote: >Really-From: Brian Frick [...] >> Sounds interesting Mark. Brian, or anyone else, do you know where this >> can be purchased?? > >Yes: through me, for the cheapest price. Archie Patterson sells them >for $15, not incl. shipping. Mario Schonwelder sells them, I'm not sure >how much he charges. > >I will take orders for this CD for a week or so (until July 12th). Send >all orders to me PRIVATELY. :) Guess why? *grin* OK, Brian. Count me in. 15 bucks on the way as soon as I have a snail mail address for you. This CD sounds intriguing. Mark doesn't excited for anything worthless. Andrew (yet another Hungarian -- does Ivan Sandor own up to it?) P.S. Does Ivan's Jarre exchange exist? I am still looking for some JMJ boots. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 4:34 am Subject: Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band could be proud of Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sat, 5 Jul 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > > They're doing a Tangerine Ambience II???? > > > > Lord help us (and I'm an atheist). > > > > If recent years have taught me anything, it's that the only band that > > does credible TD remixes is TD itself!!! ... > > 'Tangerine Ambience' was not remixes. It was performances by bands > other than TD -- covers of TD songs. OK, I stand corrected on the semantics. However, that doesn't excuse the laughable quality of most of them. > > ... I cannot find words foul enough to describe what i thought of > > the first Tang. Ambience CD--although the remix of 'Exit' was quite > > good. > > Gee Gabe. Did you really listen to it? The 'Exit' cover by Dean De > Benedictis and was quite good as you say, but his other cover > ('Phaedra') was absolutely brilliant IMO. 'Invisible Lights' and 'Bent > Cold Sidewalk' were both pretty good too, again IMO. It seemed to me there were only about 3 or 4 different artists, working under multiple aliases. The 'Phaedra' cover was interesting, but I thought the sequencers would have sounded better in their original orientations. As for the 'BCS' 'cover', well, doesn't a cover usually mean keeping some semblance of the original melody? Which these two clowns DIDN'T EVEN TRY??? > I doubt the band will give a damn either way. As for the Future Sound > of London, I wouldn't take some of the recent talk on this list too > seriously. FSOL is a group of dub artists and IMHO, are pretty thin on > composition -- using other bands sounds which they string together. I'm Well, this depends strongly on how you define composition. In the traditional sense, no, they don't hold a candle even to modern TD, which remains committed to that ol' traditional standby of MELODY. Even Paul Haslinger, in his most recent incarnation, doesn't forget about this (and he can get almost as 'dub' as FSOL). If, however, you subscribe to the post-modern drivel that ENO and FSOL spout (and obviously subscribe to), then they are very good at composition. To a post-modernist, what they do as as much composition as TD--better, in fact, since they aren't hampered by 'historical constraints'. > not belittling what FSOL does or the amount of skill required -- it's > considerable and the lads are quite clever. What I'm suggesting is: > Why settle for a snack when TD is serving up banquets? -- Mark (my > $2E-2) OOH, yer openin' a can o' worms with that one, Mark. I must admit to having liked _ISDN_ and _Dead Cities_ far more than _Goblins Club_ or _Tyranny of Beauty_. I tend to like FSOL more when they're in their 'hard 'n' chunky' mode more than when they are trying to be mellifluous, as on _Lifeforms_. But as for the TD comparison, they have yet to equal that characteristic smoothness and fluidity that TD has shown recently they can still accomplish so easily (on the '97 Tour single)--despite their use of analog noisemakers, their excessive reliance on loops and sampling makes their music much choppier and more 'digital' than TD's has ever been! Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 4:36 am Subject: Re: Never say 'Never'? Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > > Hello all, > > >Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > > > >forget it...probably one of the best remixers ever, the orb, tried, and > >failed miserably...dont compound it...let td be...they cant be copied and > >they cant be remixed...period.... > > Want a bet? There are loads of TD sound-a-likes out there. It depends which > era you're talking about. For instance, I defy you to tell the difference > between TD's 'Rubycon' and Redshift's 'Redshift'. Well, this IS sort of what I was aiming for...but what would be the novelty in a cover that sounds nearly indistinguishable from the original? > Cheers > David Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 4:42 am Subject: Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band could be proud of Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > > In a message dated 97-07-04 20:24:05 EDT, you write: > One thing you can always rely on in this world, is a follow up > sequel to a revolting initial effort. > > Phil Naunton > Maybe, just *MAYBE*, they will want to get it right this time. But I'm not holding my breath. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 4:41 am Subject: Re: Compliments! Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > > Hello all, > > >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > >There are a number of accomplished e-musicians on this list--Dave Hughes, > >Ash Prema, John Christian, Marcel Engels, to name a few. > > Whoa! A compliment! Thanks, caught me off guard there... I suppose this means I should order a T-Bass album so i don't my words ;) > >Would it be beyond reason for YOU guys to get together, and hammer out a > >TD tribute album the band (and the rest of us) could indeed be proud of? > > Well, I was working on a new piece the other night when Jules poked her > head around the studio door and said 'Wow! Which TD album is this?' Would > this do as a contribution to a tribute album? :) I was thinking of something along the lines of Tangerine Ambience, actually--covers of TD pieces, but done with more polish and respect for the originals than on the Tang. Ambience CD. As a hint, I wouldn't mind hearing 'Rolling Down Cahuenga' done Exit-style. (Gabe turns on some music) > >Ok, I've finished breaking wind now > > Eh? Hey, Ash. This would make one helluva title for your next album... ;) Well, if these are the kinds of rivalries that exist, maybe it's not such a good idea... > Cheers > David NP: Louis Vierne--24 pieces en style libre (Colin Walsh, organ) Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 4:47 am Subject: Torwar Ice Stadium show, Warsaw Poland, 10 Dec 1983 Really-From: Mark Filipak I know it was very long and was sporatically interrupted by power failures, but does anyone have the actual track list for this show? -- from which the albums 'Poland' and 'Extracts from Poland' and the 'Warsaw in the Sun' 12-inch were constructed. Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 1:43 pm Subject: Re: live?? Really-From: GG > I have just heared the Tournado cd on the tangerine dream website. Lots > of great music, but there is something I find strange; As a newbie I > only recognised the GC tracks, and I think they sound EXACTLY like the > album version (the only difference was that they had added some guitar > parts). - is this a kind of playback?? During this tour TD used the original album mixes as a basis of the program abd overplayed it with guitar, drums and rich keyboard textures. In this kind of music you can't play every bit of music live. GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 1:45 pm Subject: Re: 24-Bit WAV File Format Really-From: Pixel tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > Hi All. Does anyone know where is can get a copy of the draft of the > emerging 24-bit, 96 KHz, WAV file format. Thanks in advance -- Mark I don't think there will be a new file format for this purpose. Current GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 5:26 am Subject: THE BOMB : TANGERINE DREAM ON TV !?! Really-From: 'SIDEX SA - CENTRUL DE CALCUL' Dear dreamers, few minutes ago,when browsing a romanian cable tv magazine,I saw a line about a TD show on the german music tv channel VH1-Deutschland ! The broadcasting time : 09 july -18:30 Central European Time. I hate to ask , but, if this fact turns to be true,can somebody spare a 30 min. VHS tape to do a copy for me (too) ? ;-) My cable tv operator doesn't have VH1-D 'on the menu' and i can't think to a friend with a dish for the moment. Frankly,I don't even know if this is available around here ! Please drop a note off-list. Thank you ... and have a good time you lucy ones ! Regards, Bogdan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5715 Re: THE BOMB : TANGERINE DREAM ON TV !?! TangerineC@a... Mon 7/7/1997 2 KB 5718 Re: THE BOMB : TANGERINE DREAM ON TV !?! Mark Filipak Mon 7/7/1997 2 KB 5727 THE BOMB : TANGERINE DREAM ON TV !?! Klaus Beschorner Mon 7/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 5:31 am Subject: Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band could be proud of Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > > > > They're doing a Tangerine Ambience II???? > > It seemed to me there were only about 3 or 4 different artists, working > [on 'Tangerine Ambience'] under multiple aliases. No, to the best of my knowledge, Dean was the only such artist, doing 'Exit' as Dean De Benedictis and doing 'Phaedra' as Surface 10. The other tracks were each by different artists I think -- not sure but I do know about Dean and have no reason the think the other tracks are by the same people. What does it matter, anyway? > The 'Phaedra' cover was interesting, but I thought the sequencers would > have sounded better in their original orientations. As for the 'BCS' > 'cover', well, doesn't a cover usually mean keeping some semblance of > the original melody? Which these two clowns DIDN'T EVEN TRY??? Guess that means you didn't like them. While not wild about them, I did like them and think they're very interesting treatments. The cover of 'Phaedra' is 5AS in my book and I've made several copies of it for other people who all said they really liked it too. I think it is very true to the original, but with a clarity not found in any other version I've heard (album, compilation, or live performance). > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > I doubt the band will give a damn either way. As for the Future > > Sound of London, I wouldn't take some of the recent talk on this > > list too seriously. FSOL is a group of dub artists and IMHO, are > > pretty thin on composition -- using other bands sounds which they > > string together. > > Well, this depends strongly on how you define composition. In the > traditional sense, no, they don't hold a candle even to modern TD, > which remains committed to that ol' traditional standby of MELODY. > Even Paul Haslinger, in his most recent incarnation, doesn't forget > about this (and he can get almost as 'dub' as FSOL). > If, however, you subscribe to the post-modern drivel that ENO and > FSOL spout (and obviously subscribe to), then they are very good at > composition. To a post-modernist, what they do as as much composition > as TD--better, in fact, since they aren't hampered by 'historical > constraints'. If by ENO, you mean Brian Eno, I think you have some wiring crossed. When I criticise FSoL for a lack of composition, I mean what I say quite literally. Yes, what they do is composition, but to me it sounds thin. Raw, yes, and that's more than okay as that's what I like about it, but thin nonetheless. This is my personal opinion and not the word passed down from on high. I just prefer thick, dense composition. > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > I'm not belittling what FSOL does or the amount of skill required > > -- it's considerable and the lads are quite clever. What I'm > > suggesting is: Why settle for a snack when TD is serving up > > banquets? > > OOH, yer openin' a can o' worms with that one, Mark. ... Okay, okay. I'm sorry. I didn't intend to compare FSOL and TD with that comment. It was just a 'cleaver' remark and I shouldn't have made it. Point is: I don't think they _can_ be compared. The two artists serve up completely different types of music. Buddha knows I have tons of dub and enjoy it. But I don't get the point of trying to compare it to TD? Am I just being clueless here? Is this the endless 'old TD' -vs- 'new TD' debate wearing different clothes? If so, I'm sorry I joined it. Regards to All -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5744 Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band c Gabe Yedid Tue 7/8/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 5:36 am Subject: Re: 24-Bit WAV File Format Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Pixel > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > Hi All. Does anyone know where is can get a copy of the draft of the > > emerging 24-bit, 96 KHz, WAV file format. Thanks in advance -- Mark > > I don't think there will be a new file format for this purpose. Current I'll bet the next line begins with '.WAV' -- you can't do that, Gabor! Any line beginning with a dot (period, full-stop, whatever you call it) gets dropped (interpreted as a comment I think) and doesn't appear. Try again. -- Mark PS: Yes, there is an emerging standard and Francisco has already sent some samples -- Thanks Francisco! -- M From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 3:36 pm Subject: Beyond The Storm - Help Me Really-From: Richard Bilek Hello, can somebody help me: someone grab my car CD-player, and alas - first CD of Edgar Froese's double CD Beyond The Storm was inside. Can somebody (preferably from Europe) burn CD-R copy of this 1st CD for me? I can exchange for some other CD-R, or I can 'exchange' it for money. Thanks in Advance Richard Bilek, Czech Republic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 8:49 am Subject: Re: TD INTERNET RESOURCES Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: 'SIDEX SA - CENTRUL DE CALCUL' > >Out of the huge list of members ('true' fans) only 2 (two !) answered = >:-( > >Thank you Mark and Gary. > >Regards,Bogdan Bogdan, Since you've asked three times, here's my reply : I don't have any new internet sites to suggest, sorry. I have been using Mark's responses, though, to do some touring. Some very impressive pages out there! C'mon Pawel, get that page finished! Later, ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 9:21 am Subject: Re: a list rarity? Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >But thanks!!! for your support. Now if we could just hear from a few other >list members (lurkers too ;-)... even a few simple words scrawled across >the screen would help get this thing rolling! What's it going to be? OST, >live compilation or live album or studio compilation??? > >lars Count me in. Anything 'new' would do for me, especially pre-1985. I think the idea of a compilation live album gets the nod for me. And I agree, Mark, those first 25 mins on Logostypes are superb. I suppose that'll be the next argument? If we decid what type of CD to produce - what to put on it. The problem being (since Mark has already nominated 2 hours of live music) that not all of us (including me) will have heard all of everyone's nominations. Should make for some interesting discussions. As for price, I would happily pay £30 to £50 for a double CD of previously unreleased live material, if it was done especially for the list and was an official, numbered edition, and didn't appear a few years later on Voiceprint 8-). ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 10:08 am Subject: Re: Never say 'Never'? Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > >Want a bet? There are loads of TD sound-a-likes out there. It depends which >era you're talking about. For instance, I defy you to tell the difference >between TD's 'Rubycon' and Redshift's 'Redshift'. > Yeah, I've been listening to tapes in the car of Me-Rad and Logostypes and so have got used to listening to new TD (i.e. TD I haven't heard a lot before), and so when I listen to Redshift, I sometimes catch myself thinking I'm listening to a live concert from that era. After a few listens, I have to say that I do think of this as a TD album - it really does have that feel and it has so many familiar passages and effects from Rubycon and Phaedra. We're biased here, but how is the rest of e-music press taking this? Are they claiming it's wonderful, or derivative and unoriginal? ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5721 Re: Never say 'Never'? Paul Nagle Mon 7/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 9:26 am Subject: Re: THE BOMB : TANGERINE DREAM ON TV !?! Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-07-07 03:18:37 EDT, you write: >Thank you ... and have a good time you lucy ones ! > > >Regards, Bogdan > > Why only good luck to everyone named Lucy? How about me? Selfish!!! :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 7:05 am Subject: TD INTERNET RESOURCES Really-From: 'SIDEX SA - CENTRUL DE CALCUL' >Subject: TD INTERNET RESOURCES > >Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) > >>Out of the huge list of members ('true' fans) only 2 (two !) answered >>:-( ,Thank you Mark and Gary. > >Thank you, Bogdan, for the implicit insult. I personally did not respond >because I don't know of any that Yahoo would not spit out and that are >reachable from the tadream homepage in two hops at most. Why do you >insist on having the obvious repeated to you ? > >- -klaus- > You are wellcome -klaus- ... and you are so wrong too ! :-( The 'flame' wasn't ment to rise this kind of answers. BTW, I have some examples that Yahoo miss to report,but ,since you are so touchy, I leave you the pleasure to find them ! Have a nice day man, Bogdan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 10:24 am Subject: Re: press response to Redshift (was Never say 'Never'?) Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) >Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > >After a few listens, I have to say that I do think of this as a TD album - it >really does have that feel and it has so many familiar passages and effects >from Rubycon and Phaedra. > >We're biased here, but how is the rest of e-music press taking this? Are they >claiming it's wonderful, or derivative and unoriginal? > If Future Music counts as e-music press then they panned Redshift and gave it 1 star from 5 because of its unoriginality. That said they do seem to have been quite taken with Radio Massacre International - I have only one CD of theirs - Republic - which to my ears sounds very like 70s TD. Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 11:18 am Subject: Re: THE BOMB : TANGERINE DREAM ON TV !?! Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > In a message dated 97-07-07 03:18:37 EDT, you write: > > >Thank you ... and have a good time you lucy ones ! > > > Why only good luck to everyone named Lucy? How about me? Selfish!!! :) NO TOM. I SAID YOU LOOK LIKE A SHELLFISH. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 8:31 pm Subject: Re: 24-Bit WAV File Format Really-From: Pixel > I'll bet the next line begins with '.WAV' -- you can't do that, Gabor! > Any line beginning with a dot (period, full-stop, whatever you call it) > gets dropped (interpreted as a comment I think) and doesn't appear. Try > again. -- Mark Sorry Mark, sorry again. So: The original WAV format allows any bit depth and sample rate. I programmed a bit years ago when Windows multimedia drivers has been introduced and I remember that there were flags: bits/sample, and samples/second, without the limitations of 16 bit, 44dot1 kHz :) Steinberg's Wavelab handles 24 bit files according to this specification I think (I will trace it if you want). > PS: Yes, there is an emerging standard and Francisco has already sent > some samples -- Thanks Francisco! -- M I think they are regular files. GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 11:53 am Subject: Lines with dots Really-From: David Datta In article <5ppvr7$t6$1@n...> you wrote: : Really-From: Mark Filipak : I'll bet the next line begins with '.WAV' -- you can't do that, Gabor! : Any line beginning with a dot (period, full-stop, whatever you call it) : gets dropped (interpreted as a comment I think) and doesn't appear. Try : again. -- Mark I think I fixed this problem a few weeks ago. Here is a test: Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5734 Re: Lines with dots anunes@m... Tue 7/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 7:02 pm Subject: Re: Never say 'Never'? Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >We're biased here, but how is the rest of e-music press taking this? Are they >claiming it's wonderful, or derivative and unoriginal? Personally I just think it's Music and that's enough for me. If Mozart had written his first thirty symphonies then packed it in, we'd have never got the true masterpieces that came later. By today's way of thinking he should have listened to Haydn and decided not to bother at all. And then Beethoven would have had to invent a totally new starting off point and maybe never have got so far, Brahms would've been totally stuffed etc. etc. What I'm trying to say (badly) is that music naturally moves forward as the composers (and audience) gain experience. That's why I don't have a problem with Enya or Kitaro writing loads of 'similar' albums - if you happen to enjoy such melodious stuff, why worry that there isn't more of the 'Motorhead' sound present? Progression doesn't have to mean every album is radically different from the last - musical ideas are what interest me and they can exist within any framework from the Rubycon period right up to Troll's Truncheon. So yes, I do believe TD could still write some good music even in their current 'American marketplace' style.... Sorry, you know how I get waffling sometimes.... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 02/07/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- 'The Live Element' - new CD due August 1997 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 1:46 pm Subject: Baumans and Tygers and Parcs, oh my! Really-From: Ian Shillingford Thanks for the track info Mark! I can finally put names to faces (metaphorically speaking). But, (and this is either earth-shattering or anal-retentive) where your list has Logos - Virgin (FR) CDV 2257 as having two physical tracks, mine has three (like the German 610 381-225). Make of that what you will. Now to the lighter side. I have an idea of how the Studios can make more money from TD and encourage them to release all their stuff. Do you realize that Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon is selling in huge numbers again thanks to the Wizard of Oz soundtrack connection? Well... There must be SOME movie that a TD album will fit (Babylon 5, Sorceror, Risky Business etc. are exempt!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5749 Re: Baumans and Tygers and Parcs, oh my! Ian Shillingford Tue 7/8/1997 3 KB 5773 Pink Oz or Wizard of Floyd (sorry, not much TD in dbrewer@a... Tue 7/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 1:46 pm Subject: Re: FSOL Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-07-06 18:26:49 EDT, you write: << Tom, I've heard several pieces by FSOL and my reaction went from 'This is effing brilliant' to 'oh, gor blimey...'. Just my £0.02 's worth... Cheers David >> fair enough...my point was not the opinion one may have of an artist's volume of work, rather the comments that go: 'i just heard a fsol track and fsol suck'...im sure u can relate to that... tom w np: transglobal underground - central park, nyc, 07/06/97 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 1:55 pm Subject: Re: Never say 'Never'? Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-07-06 18:27:54 EDT, you write: << Want a bet? There are loads of TD sound-a-likes out there. It depends which era you're talking about. For instance, I defy you to tell the difference between TD's 'Rubycon' and Redshift's 'Redshift'. >> sure theres alot of sound-a-likes out there...i believe they are all wannabes however...i will track down redshift though and give it a whirl...why would an artist want to sound like someone else anyway? tom w sp: transglobal underground - central park, nyc, 07/06/97 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 2:06 pm Subject: Re: a list rarity? -- People's Choise Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-07-06 19:49:18 EDT, you write: << > [Proposition: Shall the list collectively produce a legitimate > rarity by paying the development money up front, obtaining the > band's cooperation, and helping with the manufacture and > distribution?] > >> just a quick note on this: some of you may be familiar with the artist 'tackhead'...they are currently in the process of putting together a project whereby they will solicit investors, at a fee of course, to capitalize their next disc...for ur investment, u will receive 5 copies of a not for sale disc, ur name posted in the credits, and some sort of input into the project...details are evolving, check out www.dunzwolff.de/users/echobeach/tackhead.html... tom w np: extremadura - pulses From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 2:58 pm Subject: The Rebirth of a Tangerine Dream Fan Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Last Friday afternoon at work, I wasn't feeling too well. When I got home, I decided to have a lie down and, surprisingly, decided to listen to some music too. I picked out Pergamon, plugged in my Personal CD player, put on my headphones and lay back with my eyes closed. I am not a person who finds it easy to do nothing. When I relax I read, I play games on my computer, I write, I do crosswords - in fact, I do anything except just sit and do nothing. Many of these activities allow me to listen to music too, and this is normally how I hear TD's music - either whilst doing some 'relaxation' or when I'm at work (like now). Last friday was probably the first time in my life I actually did absolutely nothing for 45 minutes, and lost myself in music. I was tired anyway (headaches do that to me), and as I teetered on the edge of that deliciously grey area between consciousness and sleep, the music appeared to do something to me. It actually did create pictures which I could see against the closed lids of my eyes. Incredible. At one point, I could swear I was actually staring at a guys face - he had shoulder-length, bushy brown hair, with a long droopy moustache of the same colour, and a pair of mirror shades. He at once looked like and did not look like Edgar - in fact (and maybe this is just me imposing this thought on the original) he seemed more like the disguised James Cole (Bruce Willis) from Twelve Monkeys - which I saw for the first tim last night!?! It was amazing being able to hear so many different parts of the music - indivdual lines and layers that I could concentrate on for minutes before leaving that sequence or melody and finding something else. I think I can see why such music is popular with druggies - if that's what it does to me without stimulus, I'd be scared to try it with anything taken! Anyway, just thought I'd let you know that I am a born-again fan. I hope to give each of TD's albums the same effort over the coming months - and I am excited to think of what new and previously hidden aspects I will find in them by really 'listening' to them. BTW, for the first ever I did spot some hiss and drop-outs. I can now appreciate how such a seemingly minor problem can interrupt the flow of music and feeling that is developed. ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5738 Re: The Rebirth of a Tangerine Dream Fan Jens Peschke Tue 7/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: THE BOMB : TANGERINE DREAM ON TV !?! Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >few minutes ago,when browsing a romanian cable tv magazine,I saw a line >about a TD show on the german music tv channel VH1-Deutschland ! > >The broadcasting time : 09 july -18:30 Central European Time. > >I hate to ask , but, if this fact turns to be true,can somebody spare a >30 min. VHS tape to do a copy for me (too) ? ;-) > >My cable tv operator doesn't have VH1-D 'on the menu' and i can't think >to a friend with a dish for the moment. > >Frankly,I don't even know if this is available around here ! VH-1 is on the Astra 1D sattelite, 19.2 East at 11.612 GHz hor., but it shares this frequency with Nickelodeon, kicking in only after 8 pm. Fortunately, the program 'Hoch 5.Tangerine Dream' is scheduled for 10:00 h and repeats 18:30 h and 21:30 h, so those who get it full time on cable can make several 'original' tapes to supply the less fortunate fans. You wouldn't omit that, would you ;-) On the same bird, at 11.538 GHz vert., is UK's VH-1, encoded. I don't know if the two have anything to do with each other. -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 4:55 pm Subject: a list rarity? People's choice... Really-From: Brian Frick Greets!! I would be willing to play the list rarity on my radio show if this falls through, and give it as much publicity as I could muster for it. I can't guarantee any buyers, but I sure as heck could try! :) Later, -- Brian Frick (Co-Editor, Equinoxe) Email: frickblj@w..., frick@b... Homepage: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ Electronic Music: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/emu/index.html Equinoxe: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html Now Playing: Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5732 Re: a list rarity? People's choice... Marcel Engels Tue 7/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 4:26 pm Subject: Re: live?? Really-From: Alexander Bjelke tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: GG > > > I have just heared the Tournado cd on the tangerine dream website. Lots > > of great music, but there is something I find strange; As a newbie I > > only recognised the GC tracks, and I think they sound EXACTLY like the > > album version (the only difference was that they had added some guitar > > parts). - is this a kind of playback?? > > During this tour TD used the original album mixes as a basis of the > program abd overplayed it with guitar, drums and rich keyboard textures. > In this kind of music you can't play every bit of music live. > Well atleast you CAN play the lead or something....Do the musicians on stage just push some buttons now and then?? And you can also skip most of the SFX which really is not important. How much do you think are played live?? To me, it sounded like they played the cd in the background and that Edgar sometimes used the guitar a little bit :-( When playing live I think you could (and should) play a little different (using other sonds, extend the tracks, perhaps adding a new bass line etc. Alexander ) > GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 5:19 pm Subject: Re: a list rarity? Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: m.schaffer@i... > >> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >> >> First we need to decide on some parameters (and this is purely IMO): >> >> Do we want to urge Edgar to release an authentic version of a live concert >> for which a decent boot already exists? >Define 'decent'. You'd get no arguments from me about the two below, but >for others it seems that half the time we can't agree on what's good quality >or not. For example: I'm very happy with the quality of my copy of The Keep, >and yet most of the postings I've seen here compare it unfavourably with >a pile of aardvark's bumwipes. Actually, he's approaching it from the opposite extreme. He's looking for a really good concert that only had mediocre bootleg recordings...Then, this is the part where we buy the rights from Virgin, Edgar licenses us the master tape of that concert, and then we go forth and multiply. >> Plus there are those on this list who are issuing fairly decent CDR boots >> of other live concerts and the move to shift fan tapes onto CDRs as boots is >> increasing exponentially. >I don't want 'fairly decent', I want 'bloody fantastic'. (Or as close as >the condition of the tapes allows.) Which explains why we are bypassing familiar bootlegs and going for the jugular: Buying the rights from Virgin to a master tape or two... >> I expect that within the next 2 years virtually all decent TD fan tapes >> will be on CDR and that within 3, all TD fan tapes >> will be on CDR... As CDR burner and media prices drop, it is not >> inconceivable that within 5 years we will be trading live CDRs and not >Confucius say: man who try to predict future of recording format is like >man who try to pee into hurricane. You don't agree with this statement? Wow, you are a rebellious litle one. I tend to WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree with the above statement. My plans for the summer, until things changed, were to release Harrogate '86 on 2CD. Not to mention re-releasing Logotypes at the more reasonable $27.95 a copy... But these have been delayed indefinately. >> Now the point could be debated with Live! Improvised! (regarding quality) >> but I think I'd prefer something totally unavailable to something partially >> available. >And this is what I meant - presumably you're not overly impressed with the >quality of Live!... I think it's one of the best boots for quality that >you can buy. When people can release dingo's kidneys like Ardem O, then I >start to wonder. Well, it's such an early recording that I can forgive the clipping. The audience noise really makes it, I can't imagine it without the audience noise. I like the release, even if the music is *sparse* (the first side of 45 minutes contains-in my very humble opinion-about 25 minutes of 'nope, that idea fizzled, lets hit a couple of these notes and maybe it will turn into a melody...') For the record, side two is more musically rich, in my opinion. >> Next, whatever we select, I don't think we can expect EF to do much work on >> it given his tight work schedule and the changing membership of the band >> (eg: do we want to end up with a tangentized version of a '75 concert?!) >Ugh. Right. Assuming Edgar does get involved, I think we can make it clear in a polite respectful way that we're a bunch of die-hard purists and wouldn't want the release any other way than the original recording, except maybe fixing the gain and blending audience noise. >> Fourth I think we should eliminate from consideration those concerts for >> which authentic releases exist (eg logos, poland, etc) even though they may >> be largely or partly studio creations. >Should this apply even when we've only had part of the concert, eg as with >Logos? I'd be loath to say yes to that - see below. Hold your horses. As much as I was wanting to blend together the well-known boot of the unreleased stuff 'Logotypes' with the original released 'Logos' into a 2CD, the copyright issues are too dangerous.... Here's how you hear the whole concert: Logos 0:00-5:15 Logotypes ?-? (make sure you hear the 1st 3 mins of Tangent from Poland) Logos 5:30-40something White Eagle (Midnight in Tula, then White Eagle) Logos-Dominion >> We should also not consider any concerts which sound substantially similar >> to a legitimate live release. > >1. Why? Pergamon/Tangram is the closest I think we should get to releasing a 'similar' album... By the way, anyone know the status of the 'Pergamon' 2CD project? >> This of course raises problems for releases from the tours from which >> Ricochet and Encore appeared. This might bring us down to those tours from >> which no legitimate live release appeared >> 1974 >> (1975=ricochet) >Except there's quite some variety in these shows, as you acknowledge >yourself below. Nobody ever said that the CD we release has to be one contiguous chunk! Again, the purpose is to get 65-74 minutes of signifigant unreleased music (and please don't ask me to explain signifigant. In other words, we don't need Rarebird on this disc!) A nice mix of unreleased stuff. If I could afford Three Tier Dream, well... >> 1976 >While doing the background for our Voyager column, John and I discovered >(well, I discovered, he already knew) that there's enough live stuff from >1976 _alone_ to fill a multi-CD set! Good point. There's one hell of a transition from Rubycon to Stratosfear, IMO. >> (1982=logos) >1. Oz '82 had a few nice bits in it which don't appear elsewhere, including >a protogenic version of Horizon. Hah? You mean and early version of Horizon? I think it's funny that Rarebird was also played at a 1982 concert or two (unless my sources are wrong) and about 3 minutes of Tangent was played during 1982 concerts... >2. We've got Logotypes from 1982 and though it's OK for quality, there's a >fiar bit of tape hiss and warbling. I wouldn't mind having the first 25 mins, >say, particularly since IMHO the unreleased stuff there knocks the Logos >material into a rather large cocked hat. Logos must be experienced in its entirety. The unreleased stuff is just as good as the released stuff! >> (1983= poland) >> 1984 (1 show). >Yep, all flogged to death. So there isn't very much unreleased stuff from 84? Or it's all on bootlegs? I'm not too up on boots... >> so we might wish to choose from these years: 1974-77 1981 & 84. >Of course, I assume you were looking for a release consisting of one concert, >and I've chopped them up into little bits. That's because personally I think > >(a) we'd get better value for money by having bits from conerts >(b) it might be financially more viable for TDI (say) to do it >(c) it's possibly a bit of a struggle to get enough material for a post '80 >release. Exactly! There's no point in sticking with one concert. Let's hope that people don't freak out and say, hey, this is like Livemiles! 7 tracks from 7 different planets mixed with studio bridges! >Perhaps an idea might be to propose two sets - one covering the '70s, and >one the '80s. I know that, given the wealth of stuff from the '70s that >might seem a bit mean, but bear in mind we're trying to present a viable >release here. Maybe I'm biased, I love 80's TD (until end of '86) Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5736 Re: a list rarity? Francisco Salgado C. Tue 7/8/1997 3 KB 5755 Re: a list rarity? Vol II m.schaffer@i... Tue 7/8/1997 8 KB 5758 Re: a list rarity? Lars R. Jones Tue 7/8/1997 5 KB 5759 Re: a list rarity? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Wed 7/9/1997 3 KB 5762 Re: a list rarity? feldon@p... Tue 7/8/1997 9 KB 5767 Re: a list rarity? TWeibre361@a... Tue 7/8/1997 2 KB 5771 Re: a list rarity? Klaus Beschorner Tue 7/8/1997 3 KB 5810 Re: a list rarity? Lars R. Jones Thu 7/10/1997 12 KB 5821 Re: a list rarity? John Christian Thu 7/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 5:19 pm Subject: Re: Logos and Poland tracks Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >DOMINION THEATRE, LONDON [6 Nov 82] (evening show) - EF/CF/JS > (-- SET 1 [44:31] --) (-- SET 1 cont'd --) > 1 00:00 (introduction) [0:15] 9 30:39 Logos 5 [4:31] > 2 00:15 Logos 1 [6:16] 10 35:10 (bridge 4) [0:10] > 3 04:29 (bridge 1) [2:02] 11 35:20 Logos 6 [6:54] > 4 06:31 Logos-Velvet [5:17] 12 42:16 Logos 7 [2:30] > 5 11:48 (bridge 2) [2:12] (-- ENCORES --) > 6 14:00 Logos-Red [6:16] E1 > 7 20:16 Logos-Blue [5:28] E2 > 8 25:32 (bridge 3) [5:07] E2 Dominion [5:25] Encores 1-3 of Logos show: Midnight in Tula (White Eagle) White Eagle (hmm...) Dominion ------ Sorry I didn't read the Poland part too closely, but remember that there are two different Relativity releases. Three major differences between them: Brown lettering on the faces of the actual CDs has following Layout: disk 1) Poland Tangent (Rarebird is part of this physical track) disk 2) Barbakane Horizon Blue lettering on the faces of the actual CDs has following Layout: disk 1) Poland Tangent Rarebird (not labeled, but is indexed separately) disk 2) Barbakane Horizon From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 5:05 pm Subject: Re: a list rarity? People's choice... Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Brian Frick > > > Greets!! > > I would be willing to play the list rarity on my radio show if this > falls through, and give it as much publicity as I could muster for it. > I can't guarantee any buyers, but I sure as heck could try! :) I can reach about 1500 hardcore e-music fans through KLEM and Alfa Centauri here in The Netherlands, Belgium and Germany. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... (I'll be getting a scanner tomorrow, so expect pics soon on the page) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 5:19 pm Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush CD EP $18.99 Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: innerviews@p... (Anil Prasad) > > >Just a quick note to anyone searching for a copy of the >Tangerine Dream Shepherds Bush EP -- the one from the concert >in Britain. A guy named Ranjit Padmanabhan who runs a service >called Progtron has a few dozen of them at $18.95 U.S. A guy named Ranjit? He's known well on the TD list, however a repost of his internet site is always useful. But $18.95? For less than 25 minutes of music? Ouch! I've got the disc, it's collecting dust, no offense to TD. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 1:01 am Subject: Re: Lines with dots Really-From: anunes@m... Well, lines starting with dots and Philip Meyer's MIDI files seem to have something in common :-) Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 3:27 am Subject: Re: live?? Really-From: Pixel > Well atleast you CAN play the lead or something.... Today's TD music has very simple lead melodies and reproducing them again and again (even with slight modifications) is not a musically-challenging task. > Do the musicians on > stage just push some buttons now and then?? No. They play harmony-related textures. > How much do you think are > played live?? To me, it sounded like they played the cd in the > background and that Edgar sometimes used the guitar a little bit :-( It's impossible to tell an exact percent on the balance of prerecorded-played material. At Warsaw I sat just behind the front-of-the-house mixer and checked the meters; beyond the original stereo left-right material every time there were 8-12 other channels active. Divide it by two and you will get 4-6 instruments which are active at the same time! > When playing live I think you could (and should) play a little different > (using other sonds, extend the tracks, perhaps adding a new bass line This was a common method at the earlier years. Today's TD chose the overplaying method because the needs are different than in the 70s and 80s. You have to sound perfect - this is the preference and your production will be ignored if you can't satisfy this. GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 6:33 pm Subject: Re: a list rarity? Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) > > I think we should rule out soundtrack stuff at least for the first > project. > 'minimal work' would leave us with something like '3 o'clock high' :-( > > All live shows until 1980 were so improvised that any that weren't > directly > used for one of the live albums should qualify. > > My personal favourite : Nottingham 1976 > My Idea of a rity is not a single live concert but themes present along many live shows that never wasn't published on any oficial album, single musical jewels never heard of except for the performance where they have played it. So my vote doesn't go for a single concert but for a historical thematic maybe the encores or some obscure and improvised parts, maybe those sequences that really had a special connection with the audience; in a similar way as Klaus Schulze's Historic Edition. So my vote goes for Live themes along a historical path. wanted period: from 1974 to 1997 ---Francisco. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: TD on VH-1 in the US, Too??? Really-From: Se~nor Estupido >Subject: THE BOMB : TANGERINE DREAM ON TV !?! >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 08:26:33 +0300 >Really-From: 'SIDEX SA - CENTRUL DE CALCUL' > >few minutes ago,when browsing a romanian cable tv magazine,I saw a line >about a TD show on the german music tv channel VH1-Deutschland ! > >The broadcasting time : 09 july -18:30 Central European Time. What's the chances this'll run on the US version of VH-1? >I hate to ask , but, if this fact turns to be true,can somebody spare >a 30 min. VHS tape to do a copy for me (too) ? ;-) Only half an hour, eh? How'd you find out that that's the running time of the show? Also, why is this show called THE BOMB? Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 7:33 pm Subject: Re: The Rebirth of a Tangerine Dream Fan Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > [...] > Last friday was probably the first time in my life I actually did absolutely > nothing for 45 minutes, and lost myself in music. I was tired anyway (headaches > do that to me), and as I teetered on the edge of that deliciously grey area > between consciousness and sleep, the music appeared to do something to me. [...] > It was amazing being able to hear so many different parts of the music - > indivdual lines and layers that I could concentrate on for minutes before > leaving that sequence or melody and finding something else. I think I can see > why such music is popular with druggies - if that's what it does to me without > stimulus, I'd be scared to try it with anything taken! [...] > Anyway, just thought I'd let you know that I am a born-again fan. I hope to > give each of TD's albums the same effort over the coming months - and I am > excited to think of what new and previously hidden aspects I will find in them > by really 'listening' to them. LATE but not to late, Craig ! I started hearing TD (and other EM like KS) this way at the age of 15. Every day I choose one CD (Tape or LP in former years) to fall asleep while hearing it. (That´s the reason why I own so much TD and EM-CD´s !) You should next try phaedra which has the most stimulating effect to me. The first time when I 'experienced' phaedra (with 16) I imagined to travel with a train trough my own brain (without the use of any external drugs - you produce your own internal drugs (chemical reactions) to stimulate yourself) - difficult to explain the pictures I saw. Let me now what your experience will be. Greetings Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 7:48 pm Subject: Re: TD on VH-1 in Germany: was TD on VH-1 in the US, Too??? Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Only half an hour, eh? How'd you find out that that's the running > time of the show? > Also, why is this show called THE BOMB? Take a look at http://www.vh1.de/vh1/prg/ , choose 'Mttwoch' (=Wednesday) and you´ll see the running times :-) I would read 'THE BOMB : TANGERINE DREAM ON TV !' as 'Watch out !, hey your eyes will popp out: TANGERINE DREAM ON TV !'. BTW: VH-1 can be received with cable TV too - that means millions of germans are able to tape it !! Mark, should I tape it for you ? (30 minutes TD on VH-1 (7/9/97) and 35 minutes TD on Vox (7/17/97)?) - you don´t need to answer ;-) Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 9:22 pm Subject: TD on TV Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all, Any chance of someone doing me a copy of this event? Marcel? I'll even buy a copy of your album? Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5849 TD on TV spidey Fri 7/11/1997 2 KB 26779 TD on TV :-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dust Fri 4/20/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 7, 1997 7:14 pm Subject: Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band could be proud of Really-From: John Christian Previously on !tadream, tadream mailing list said: >There are a number of accomplished e-musicians on this list--Dave Hughes, >Ash Prema, John Christian, Marcel Engels, to name a few. > >How well do you guys know FSOL? Global Communication? Ozric Tentacles >or Eat Static? Other e-music/electronica bands with a great deal of TD >influence? > >Would it be beyond reason for YOU guys to get together, and hammer out a >TD tribute album the band (and the rest of us) could indeed be proud of? Sorry I didn't answer this sooner...I tried but every time it came out sounding a bit sniffy. If it does this time please don't take it as such: It's not a dumb idea. And thanks for the compilement. I don't think a tribute album that the band appreciates is possible. Edgar especially seems pretty dismissive of anything he considers derivative. I guess this would count. I'm also not keen on the idea of doing anything like a remix or reworking of a TD track. It's not as interesting as creating something new, and I don't think I'd be very good at it. If that's not what the idea was, and it would be new 'influenced' music then it's just a Network 388 pt 2. - not a bad idea but not very controversial! [Damn that reminds me, Jeff are you still here?]. Anyway, given that TD pretty much invented the 'long melodic improvised sequencer thang' medium we're working in, everything we do is a tribute to them. So you gonna buy Europa now? ;)) Switching subjects to the idea of the 'list rarity': I don't like to throw more cold water around, but sorry, I gotta. This can't be the first time this sort of thing has been suggested. There must be dozens of small EM labels who would trip over themselves in the rush to release an old TD album. Plus if Edgar wanted it to happen, he'd make it happen [*]. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be wrong, and if I am I'd be happy to lend whatever hand I could, I just think anyone contacting Edgar would get a pretty short answer. FWIW, I'll fantasize about the full Sorcerer soundtrack as delivered. At least MCA have the rights (?). [*] Anyone else heard rumours of an official York Minster 75 release?? JC -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5809 Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band c Gabe Yedid Thu 7/10/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 12:59 am Subject: Re: Tribute/ Rarity Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: John Christian > >>Would it be beyond reason for YOU guys to get together, and hammer out a >>TD tribute album the band (and the rest of us) could indeed be proud of? > >Sorry I didn't answer this sooner...I tried but every time it came out >sounding a bit sniffy. If it does this time please don't take it as >such: It's not a dumb idea. And thanks for the compilement. The 'Tangerine Ambience' album contains the best covers, in my opinion, we will ever hear of Tangerine Dream's music. So either you like it, you respect it, or you hate it. I think TA is great, but I am part of a small minority. It's certainly better music than I'm capable of (and I don't judge music like that, by the way!) >I don't think a tribute album that the band appreciates is possible. >Edgar especially seems pretty dismissive of anything he considers >derivative. I guess this would count. I don't think Edgar would get much of a kick out of a project like this. The closest thing would be another collaborative release like Network 388 #2. >I'm also not keen on the idea of doing anything like a remix or >reworking of a TD track. It's not as interesting as creating something As pissed off as people get about Tangents and Dream Roots 'tangentization', why would anyone treat a remix of TD as anything but garbage? Nobody will ever respect/like a remix of TD, even if it's done by them. That's the bottom line. np: Mojave Plan (Tangents version). 5AS >Switching subjects to the idea of the 'list rarity': >I don't like to throw more cold water around, but sorry, I gotta. This >can't be the first time this sort of thing has been suggested. There >must be dozens of small EM labels who would trip over themselves in the >rush to release an old TD album. Who cares about labels? We don't need no stinking labels! (ok, maybe I'm exaggerating, but in this day and age of telephone ordering with visa/mastercard and internet sales, what's the point of having a label? To sell these things at Tower Records? Please! >Plus if Edgar wanted it to happen, he'd make it happen [*]. I don't think this is the case. I think Edgar and the producers are just seeing the money issue, or LACK OF MONEY issue. All we have to do is make that problem disappear. This has to be a movement! A cause! We have to push so damn hard that Virgin files a harrassment lawsuit against us! And we have to get Edgar's attention. Maybe take an advertisement in the paper! Hell, I don't know, but we have to be so bloody serious that he can't turn us down. >I just think anyone contacting Edgar would get a pretty short answer. If someone talks to Edgar and he says that it'll never work, please be strong enough to respond with, 'with all due respect, Mr. Froese, that's not good enough! We want those archives!' Who would have thought the Beatles Anthology would have made such a big fuss, considering 99% of the material is already in the hands of most Beatles fans anyway...? Morgan P.S. You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5823 Re: Tribute/ Rarity John Christian Thu 7/10/1997 6 KB 5829 Re: Tribute/ Rarity Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 7/11/1997 3 KB 5843 Re: Tribute/ Rarity John Christian Fri 7/11/1997 2 KB 7066 Re: Tribute/ Rarity Philip Meyer Sun 9/14/1997 3 KB 7069 Re: Tribute/ Rarity Philip Meyer Sun 9/14/1997 3 KB 7100 Re: Tribute/ Rarity John Christian Tue 9/16/1997 4 KB 5825 Re: Tribute/ Rarity Hilmar_Kraft@n... Fri 7/11/1997 4 KB 5830 Re: Tribute/ Rarity John Christian Fri 7/11/1997 4 KB 5834 Re: Tribute/ Rarity Marcel Engels Fri 7/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 1:28 am Subject: Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i.e. Musically)? Really-From: Doug Pearson tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: Doug Pearson > > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > > > > ... are all the ... versions [of tracks on 'VDM'] the same as those > > > on the CD ['DM']? > > > > ... I did some side by side comparision ... and they sounded the same > > to me. Except, of course, for Touchwood ... > > Is 'Touchwood' on 'VDM' just a remix of existing multi-tracks or have > any new voices been added by overdubbing? If overdubbed, can you > characterize the dubs? -- Instrumentation? Harmony or melody? > Percussion? What frequency range? > I listened to both versions tonight to try and give you a feel for the difference between the two but I'm not sure that anything I could say would really be descriptive enough. The 'VDM' version seems a little bit 'faster', more 'beats per minute', a little more 'techno'. It does have what I would describe as some 'voice overs', mostly at the beginning, but not very many where the 'DM' version has none. Although the melody is there, I don't think that the 'VDM' version every really reaches the drive that the 'DM' version does at around the 4:15 mark. One thing I should say, for those that may not know it, this video/laserdisc is NOT a video of concert footage. It has some of that quickly spliced in but there's much more concert footage on Three Phase. -dep- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5745 Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i. Mark Filipak Tue 7/8/1997 4 KB 5775 Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i. Doug Pearson Wed 7/9/1997 4 KB 5858 Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i. Mark Filipak Fri 7/11/1997 3 KB 5875 Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i. Doug Pearson Sun 7/13/1997 3 KB 5878 Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i. Mark Filipak Sun 7/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 3:46 am Subject: Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band could be proud of Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > It seemed to me there were only about 3 or 4 different artists, working > > [on 'Tangerine Ambience'] under multiple aliases. > > No, to the best of my knowledge, Dean was the only such artist, doing > 'Exit' as Dean De Benedictis and doing 'Phaedra' as Surface 10. The > other tracks were each by different artists I think -- not sure but I do > know about Dean and have no reason the think the other tracks are by the > same people. What does it matter, anyway? I'd like to know why these artists feel ashamed to do it all under one name. > > The 'Phaedra' cover was interesting, but I thought the sequencers would > > have sounded better in their original orientations. As for the 'BCS' > > 'cover', well, doesn't a cover usually mean keeping some semblance of > > the original melody? Which these two clowns DIDN'T EVEN TRY??? > > Guess that means you didn't like them. When did you develop such a talent for understatement? ;) > While not wild about them, I did > like them and think they're very interesting treatments. The cover of > 'Phaedra' is 5AS in my book and I've made several copies of it for other > people who all said they really liked it too. I think it is very true > to the original, but with a clarity not found in any other version I've > heard (album, compilation, or live performance). Well, as I said before, maybe they'll get it right this time. > If by ENO, you mean Brian Eno, I think you have some wiring crossed. Right, shouldn't have been capitalized. I have read 3 interviews with Eno, and he strikes me as just the flakiest SOB on Earth next to Prince. 'Why don't I like classical music? There's not enough Africa in it!' Give me a bloody break!!! > When I criticise FSoL for a lack of composition, I mean what I say quite > literally. Yes, what they do is composition, but to me it sounds thin. > Raw, yes, and that's more than okay as that's what I like about it, but > thin nonetheless. This is my personal opinion and not the word passed > down from on high. I just prefer thick, dense composition. Which you've obviously been getting enough of from TD (and others)... > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > > > I'm not belittling what FSOL does or the amount of skill required > > > -- it's considerable and the lads are quite clever. What I'm > > > suggesting is: Why settle for a snack when TD is serving up > > > banquets? > > > > OOH, yer openin' a can o' worms with that one, Mark. ... > > But I don't get the point of trying to compare it > to TD? Am I just being clueless here? Is this the endless 'old TD' > -vs- 'new TD' debate wearing different clothes? If so, I'm sorry I > joined it. No, it's the 'current FSOL' vs. 'new TD' debate. I don't know where the comparisons to TD got started myself--it must be some kind of revisionist viewpoint that judges both types of music largely on texture and 'trip value'. But TD's approach has *always* been more traditionally based than FSOL's, and much less 'cranky-honky-noisy'. > Regards to All -- Mark > real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 4:11 am Subject: Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i.e. Musically)? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Doug Pearson > > > ['Touchwood,' 'Video Dream Mixes' version, -vs- 'Dream Mixes' > versions of 'Touchwood'] > > I listened to both versions tonight to try and give you a feel for the > difference between the two but I'm not sure that anything I could say > would really be descriptive enough. The 'VDM' version seems a little > bit 'faster', more 'beats per minute', a little more 'techno'. It does > have what I would describe as some 'voice overs', mostly at the > beginning, but not very many where the 'DM' version has none. Although > the melody is there, I don't think that the 'VDM' version every really > reaches the drive that the 'DM' version does at around the 4:15 mark. Album versions of 'Touchwood' ROCKOON 3 Touchwood [4:34] THE DREAM MIXES Disc 1 3 Touchwood (Forest Mix) [7:00] (132 beats/min) Disc 2 1 Touchwood (Radio Edit) [4:02] 4 Touchwood (Poison Byte Mix) [7:54] (160 beats/min) THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES 6 Touchwood [7:57] Note that the 'Poison Byte Mix' is longer than the 'Forest Mix' (7:54 -vs- 7:00) and more closely matches the running time of the version of 'Touchwood' on 'VDM' (7:57). Note that the 'Poison Byte Mix' _is_ faster than the 'Forest Mix' (160 bpm -vs- 132 bpm). Note that the 'Poison Byte Mix' _does_ have dubbed female voice (Indi-pop?) whereas the 'Forest Mix' doesn't. Note that the 'Poison Byte Mix' _is_ more techno than the 'Forest Mix.' Note that the 'Poison Byte Mix' _doesn't_ have the percussion 'drive' section at 4:15 that the 'Forest Mix' does. Okay, now that I've presented everything that I can think of regarding these, here's the question as succinctly as I can put it: In your estimation, is track 6 of 'VDM' 1- an extended remix of the 'Forest Mix' sped up, or 2- a remix of the 'Poison Byte Mix,' or 3- the same as the 'Poison Byte Mix,' or 4- a reperformance? I know this is a judgement call. I would appreciate your judgement -- anyone/everyone else's too. :-) If someone put a gun to my head and said, 'Choose,' having never heard (or seen) 'The Video Dream Mixes,' and based solely on just Doug's description and the running times, I'd guess that the version of 'Touchwood' on 'VDM' _is_ 'Poison Byte Mix.' What say.... YOU! (you know who you are!) :-) Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 11:34 am Subject: D: Pacific Coast Highway Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 *** Standard Disclaimer Applies : All My Own opinion *** I can't remember the circumstance where I came upon this album - probably not too long after its release since this was the first solo Franke I bought. I guess like most others, I was surprised at the number of tracks that the album had, given that Franke had been credited with being the man who held together those vast, sprawling TD epics. Little did I imagine that Chris, of all people, would fall into the four-minute-pop-song category. How little I knew! There's probably little I can add to Phil's excellent piece on this album, although I guess I'm not quite so harsh on it as he appeared to be. Someone else pointed out the two-sided-ness of this album, and I would certainly agree with that concept : the first six tracks are all certainly bearable with Black Garden View and Purple Waves being the highlights; the second six tracks are all too repetitive and 'dull' for me and I couldn't nominate anything which really stood out. I'm not a great one for listening to albums in 'random' mode on the CD player - I tend to think the ordering of tracks is as important as the content itself, in terms of creating atmosphere and telling the story of the album. In this case, though, I wonder if just randomising the tracks might produce the same-but-different result - the first x tracks being bearable/enjoyable and the last y tracks being repetitve and 'dull'. I guess I'm just taking a long time to say that the whole album's too repetitve for me, and there isn't enough variation. Not a bad album, just not an exciting one. A high 2AS or low 3AS, depending on my mood. ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 11:51 am Subject: Re: live?? Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > >The music is great though!!! >Could someone please list the albums which the tracks are taken >(played?? ;) )from. Apologies if I'm repeating something already presented : 1 Drum Solo - 3:41 - New material 2. Flashflood - 7:49 - From 'Oasis' 3. 220 Volt (Big Volt Version) - 8:18 - From '220Volt Live' 4. Firetongues - 7:11 - From 'Turn of the Tides'* 5. Girls on Broadway - 5:07 - From 'Rockoon' 6. Little Blond in the Park of Attractions - 7:40 - From 'Tyranny of Beauty'* 7. Rising Haul in Silence - 7:49 - From 'Goblin's Club' 8. Lamb with Radar Eyes (Lost Lamb Version) - 7:42 - From 'Goblin's Club' 9. Touchwood - 7:40 - From 'Rockoon'* 10. Towards the Evening Star - 7:03 - From 'Goblin's Club' *-also appears on 'Dream Mixes', possibly this version is played here. As I recall from the Shepherd's Bush concert last year, most of the tracks played were the 'Dream Mixes' version, but since I haven't heard 'Tournado' yet, I can't confirm this to be the cas on this CD (I'm sure someone will shortly). Hope this helps. ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 11:58 am Subject: Re: Logos and Poland tracks for Ian Shillingford Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Regarding Mark Filipak's (excellent) track work for the Logos concert in particular, I assume that you are aware Mark that the tracks listed are not complete, as detailed on the Logostypes boot/tape. This may be for various reasons : 1) I note that you state 'evening show' and so perhaps 'Logostypes' is from the afternoon (?) show and hence different 2) I have misinterpreted the information being presented, and it shows the music on the album release, not the music played at the concert 3) you are not ware of the additional music played at the concert 4) I'm an idiot talking out of my posterior Which of the above options applies, Mark (allowing that option '4' may be nominated in combination with either of the first three). ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Baumans and Tygers and Parcs, oh my! Really-From: aaron.collett@c... Do you realize that Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon is selling in huge numbers again thanks to the Wizard of Oz soundtrack connection? Pink Floyd DSOTM - Wizard of Oz? What, explain, I'm a little lost!!! ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Baumans and Tygers and Parcs, oh my! Author: at internet Date: 07/07/97 09:46 Really-From: Ian Shillingford Thanks for the track info Mark! I can finally put names to faces (metaphorically speaking). But, (and this is either earth-shattering or anal-retentive) where your list has Logos - Virgin (FR) CDV 2257 as having two physical tracks, mine has three (like the German 610 381-225). Make of that what you will. Now to the lighter side. I have an idea of how the Studios can make more money from TD and encourage them to release all their stuff. Do you realize that Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon is selling in huge numbers again thanks to the Wizard of Oz soundtrack connection? Well... There must be SOME movie that a TD album will fit (Babylon 5, Sorceror, Risky Business etc. are exempt!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5773 Pink Oz or Wizard of Floyd (sorry, not much TD in dbrewer@a... Tue 7/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: No subject given Really-From: aaron.collett@c... As a relatively new TD fan, I have really only heard a few of their moments. I have, Miracle Mile Optical Race Livemiles Turn of the Tides Tyranny of Beauty Underwater Sunlight and ... the Dream Roots collection 5 cd (the four tracks on the 5th cd are excellent) However, why oh why is Edgar slapping a load of sax over his music? The guitar work is excellent, but I think he ought to sack Linda Spa. I can just about live with the sax on Tyranny, but Turn of the Tides (the album I bought yesterday) is unbearable. How many albums is she on? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5751 Re: Spa and Sax Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 7/8/1997 4 KB 5761 Re: No subject given feldon@p... Tue 7/8/1997 3 KB 5764 Re: No subject given Marcel Engels Wed 7/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 1:45 pm Subject: Re: Spa and Sax Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: aaron.collett@c... [album list snipped] > However, why oh why is Edgar slapping a load of sax over his music? > The guitar work is excellent, but I think he ought to sack Linda Spa. > I can just about live with the sax on Tyranny, but Turn of the Tides > (the album I bought yesterday) is unbearable. Interesting that you view these in this manner. I like most of the sax on TotT, but don't like much of ToB at all. BTW, Linda has been 'sacked'. She appeared with them at the Shepherd's Bush concert in Nov '96 and didn't reappear for the 'real' European tour which started this year. > How many albums is she on? Aha! Now that's a good question. She plays on Goblin's Club, Tyranny of Beauty, Turn of the Tides and 220Volt Live. Saxophone also appears on Rockoon, Melrose and Lily on the Beach, although they were played by Hubert Waldner and some other guy (don't have my player/member matrix here at present). Now, interestingly (well, okay, for me), Linda Spa is mentioned in the thanks for both Rockoon and Melrose (can't remember if she's in LotB too), yet offers nothing credited to either album. She is also pictured on the cover and inside of the UK 2CD edition of Dream Mixes, but again doesn't appear on any tracks (liner notes indicate the Froese's are responsible for all music). Linda has provided little compositional input to the group (2 tracks? 'Story of the Brave' and 'Elf June'?) although has assisted in horn/brass arrangement on those she played on. To me, Linda has always crept along the edge between guest musician and band member. I have yet to understand why she appears on so many covers, pictures and credits (other than the old 'eye-candy' explanation) when people like Mark Hornby and Gerald Gradwool have contributed more to the music (at least played on more tracks) over the last few albums. Comments, anyone? ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 1:05 pm Subject: Re: a list rarity? Really-From: m.schaffer@i... The saga continues.......... > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > --> My point is only driven by 1) my personal desire to hear more > unreleased stuff legitimately released Does this mean stuff completely unreleased, or stuff that's only available via the shadier channels? :) > and 2) the sales consideration which > is what will ultimately drive Edgar's decision... a case in point is > Tournado -- with no new material (aside from the drum solo) how many people > are NOT rushing to buy it? Do the contents actually matter? I remember the same furore over GC last year. The fans slavishly went out and bought it soon after release. > Besides there is a lot of white eagle on the logos tour and that's > already been released too. At the risk of wanting to squeeze every last drop out of the tours, that still leaves stuff unavailable (except on boots) from that tour. And it's no rubbish, either. > --> again, the sales factor. Need I bring up Tangents and DRC here also? Yes please; I have to admit that the point is lost on me. How can we possibly begin to compare the sales of each of these with hypothetical sales of sets which would have contained more rarities/unreleased studio & live tracks? We can't, not to any degree of certainty. We can postulate, but that's about all. I expect we've all got our opinions about what sold each of these, because we bought them for different reasons. I bought them because they bore the name 'Tangerine Dream' and I have no self-control. I rue the day I ever wasted 50 quid on the former, although having a clear version of Silver Scale softens the blow - a bit. But I don't want to turn this into a polemic on Tangents. > I think the sales appeal needs to be more universal (which IMO unreleased > material gives) vs. something aimed at the few hard-core collectors only. Now we're really getting into a heavy area - who is actually going to buy this? I'm not all that convinced that many people other than fans will buy _whatever_ they release, although that will obviously vary with factors like location (since I think it's pretty safe to say that TD's profile in the States is higher than here, the latter being close to nil.) The advantage of targetting the fan base is that it's easier to get an idea of potential sales figures - if, say, we could mobilise sufficiently to guarantee (or as near as possible) a certain sales figure for a certain retail price, that would surely be more persuasive than presenting postulated general sales figures based on whether or not Mr & Mrs Ordinary Record Buyer take a chance on it? > I think this project needs to have as wide a scope/appeal as possible... That would be nice, but for the reason I gave above, I can't help feeling that that might actually _decrease_ the commercial viability of the project (cutting out all the bollocks like dealing with distributors would surely (a) reduce overheads & (b) decrease the amount of work involved, wouldn't it?) > --> agreed; it was a one-off (two-off? afternoon + evening ;-) show and yes > some stuff is unique (it is on almost all tours, is it not?) Indeedee - but this wasn't even a tour, as you say. IMO, though, probably the only part likely to make it as an official cut is the 14-minute encore (the rest is possibly a wee bit to spacey and Tangram-ish). > and yes some > stuff does appear in later shows which is what I was thinking at the time Talking about the tour now, yes? Indeedee, I did acknowledge this but I'd still maintain that the '80 tour provides the nicest chunk of that material. (I'm really trying to wring as much as possible out of these babies!) > If we were to get only one show released, I'd hate for a big chunk of it > to duplicate previously released material. Again, are we talking about stuff that's on boots, or all new stuff? If the latter, you can kiss goodbye to anything post 1980, since I believe that there's a boot from every tour 1980-2, either extant or on its way. > Besides, that lessens the sales appeal... Does it? For argument's sake, suppose they released a single CD of 'highlights of 1980 tour' (which, by my reckoning, they could get about an hour out of, give or take a bit.) Taken straight from the master tapes, lovely stereo sound quality, missus, one pervious owner etc - is there anyone on the list who wouldn't buy it? (other than people who don't like that particular era.......) > Obviously, I was not thinking, at the time, of a live > compilation album -- as you suggest here. But the more I think about your > idea, the more I like it! It took me a while to realise that you were suggesting a release from one concert. I suppose it didn't occur to me because, having brainwashed myself recently with overexposure to early '80s concerts (hang on, is that physically possible?) I realised that, if you wanted the unreleased stuff only, you'd have to do some chopping and changing - and if you wanted to maximise the amount you got, you'd have to take several years into account, since the pattern for the '80s was to keep some material from the previous tour, and add a few new bits (although the Logos tour had very little from earlier concerts, IMO explaining why it was chosen for live release.) > -->agreed -- except (a big except) this is available on a boot; is Edgar > going to 'compete' (not the best choice of a word) with a 'released' boot? Er, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't 'Dreaming On Danforth Avenue' released _before_ 220V? Do you reckon it diminished sales of the latter? I don't. There's always a market for legit releases - how many times have we seen newcomers to the list ask for where they can find such-and-such boot? With widely distributed releases that's not a problem, and even with, say, Tournado, it's a bit of a sodaround, but there is Voiceprint, taking international orders. > Besides, won't that lessen the sales appeal somewhat? Lars, you're confusing me a bit as far as who's going to buy this is concerned. The die-hard nutters willl buy anything, right? Autographed TDI underpants, Goblin's Club backscratchers, the lot. Mr & Mrs Public, who don't know the boot outlets, wouldn't have access to the surreptitious avenues anyway, so they're not detracting from sales. And unless the boot is of particularly good quality (eg Antarktis, which isn't going to be the Chosen One anyway), who wouldn't pay for better quality? OK, Logotypes is goodish quality, but that probably says more about the dreck that we normally have to listen to than its own innate quality. > --> I'm in total agreement here although I still say it should be all > unreleased/unavailable Well, as I say, that rules out all post '80 stuff, unless you're prepared to have something that's on a boot already, but in better quality. Would you have vetoed Silver Scale's inclusion on Tangents? There is, after all, a reasonable rendition on Brussels '80. And, as you mentioned earlier, if we venture back into the murky depths of the '70s, if it's not on a live tape, how do we know what it's like? Klaus gives an excellent example - Nottingham '76 is on Ardem O, but the quality is so bad that it might as well not have been. That might be a good place to start. (Of course, if TD's 'Cathedrals' box had come about, part of our prayers would already have been answered.) > regarding an OST: > --> yes, exactly, but how long ago was that? I'd have to say, not long enough from the point of view of studios who seem prepared to sit on material for years. For gawd's sake, how long has Oedipus Tyrranus been sitting in the vaults? You think that's going to see the light of day soon? And that was 23 years ago! > Meanwhile, the music sits in a vault giving NO return on the studio's > investment; while the series gets re-runs, it is definitely not in > perpetual/universal rerun status like the star treks, Lucy or Gilligan's > island so it ain't earing a ton of money either. I know that, YOU know that, but look at it this way - if nobody expressed an interest, then they'd consider it commercial suicide to release the soundtrack; and if someone _did_ show an interest, the extent of money offered may make them think that they could hold out until the market picked up and they could make more from it by waiting (presumably by the vast number of TD scored films that took several years to see release, they consider it commercially unviable to release a soundtrack, and that possibly even in spite of having offers to sell the licence to the material (which they may perceive as derisory, irrespective of the stuff sitting gathering dust down below.) > Studios exist to make money. Perhaps now, 10 years later, they > could be convinced to release the music (perhaps even to a third party -- > Ford are you listening??). The argument could be made that this would > increase interest for re-runs and thus they could make more money... Hell, > they might even sell the rights cheap just to make something on it. > (hahahaha) Did I just see a pig fly past? I'm not sure if, say, issuing the Streethawk OST would really generate sufficient interest to get it reshown on television. I suspect that they'd have to get enough of a cash incentive without such indeterminables coming into the equation. And that doesn't, of course, solve problems like the Chichester Festival stuff. > --> much of this is available either on legit vinyl or cd/r boot. so i'd= > invoke the sales argument again. Since we don't seem to agree on this point, I'm not going to let it deter me! Virgin and EF missed a golden opportunity to slip them in amongst the stuff on Tangents - a disc of rare stuff, as well as a disc of unreleased stuff. I can't believe that would have had any significant effect on sales, particularly when you consider that people knew they were getting 3 CDs of already released material, plus another of soundtracks. > Personally, I can't see edgar getting excited about re-releasing rare/odd > tracks on a compilation... I mean, he could have done some of this on > Tangents if he wanted to but he obviously didn't. But this isn't unprecedented, is it? After all, 70-80 contained rarities (well, one rarity) as well as unreleased tracks. I agree that EF may not get excited about it, but then, we've left it to him to give us rare concert stuff, too, haven't we, and where's that got us? Isn't the whole point of this exercise that it's fan instigated? Aren't we telling him what we'd like to hear? Plus, by your own argument, if we want to choose things that wouldn't involve much effort on his part, what could involve less than stuff already mastered and released? > One last question regarding cost. If this is really to be a list rarity > (that is, a limited, numbered set of 1,000 - 2,000) are we willing to pay > top dollar for it? -- like $40 for a double CD. Edgar is going to have to > weigh his $$$$ return on a limited edition vs. the potential income on a > general release. If we can convince to release a limited edition I suspect > we are going to have to compensate him for it by paying top dollar. I know we've flogged this following notion, but something like KS' mammoth sets averages out at about, say, L10 per CD (so that's, what, $16.60?) If we could stretch the bulk so that we could fill, say, maybe 4 CDs instead of 2, we wouldn't be doubling some of the costs. I'd gladly pay L40 - gawd, I'd pay L60 ( = $100!) - for 4 CDs of all new stuff. MS PS I won't begin to trawl my way through the '70s. I'll leave that to people more learned than I. -- =============================================================================== Mark Schaffer 'You must cut down the mightiest tree in Department Of Mathematics the forest......with......a herring!' Imperial College (Monty Python's Flying Circus) LONDON SW7 2BZ Tel 0171 - 589 5111 x58619 =============================================================================== From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 1:11 pm Subject: Re: a list rarity? Really-From: m.schaffer@i... > > Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > > when u guys talk about 'the keep', is it the blue moon records version > (bm-12) ? > > thanks, > tom w Yes. I seem to be one of the few people on Earth who has a copy of this that _doesn't_ sound like it was recorded with microphones drenched in marmalade in a studio in a swamp. MS -- =============================================================================== Mark Schaffer 'You must cut down the mightiest tree in Department Of Mathematics the forest......with......a herring!' Imperial College (Monty Python's Flying Circus) LONDON SW7 2BZ Tel 0171 - 589 5111 x58619 =============================================================================== From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 1:32 pm Subject: Lurkers Club? Really-From: Ian Shillingford > Now if we could just hear from a few other >list members (lurkers too ;-)... even a few simple words scrawled across >the screen would help get this thing rolling! What's it going to be? OST, >live compilation or live album or studio compilation??? > >lars As I am not blessed with any special/bootleg releases, I would enjoy ANYTHING I hadn't heard before, but if I had to narrow it down, I'd most like to hear live stuff from '75 to '82 ...ish. Wait 'til I get a full-time job and some money though! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 1:38 pm Subject: Re: a list rarity? Vol II Really-From: m.schaffer@i... What the hell! Two - no, three - in one day! > > Really-From: feldon@p... > > Actually, he's approaching it from the opposite extreme. He's looking for a > really good concert that only had mediocre bootleg recordings...Then, this > is the part where we buy the rights from Virgin, Edgar licenses us the > master tape of that concert, and then we go forth and multiply. But that was precisely my point. If we can't agree on what is mediocre, how do we ask for a concert that is such? Some people have expressed disappointment with, say, Live! Improvised! - but to me, that would be a poor choice, because I'm very happy with mine, and I could count more deserving cases. > Which explains why we are bypassing familiar bootlegs and going for the > jugular: Buying the rights from Virgin to a master tape or two... That's going to be a bit hit-and-miss, isn't it? If we're talking about '70s concerts, you could have a concert from one date being great, and one from the next day, pretty appalling (and there are such instances of this!) > You don't agree with this statement? Wow, you are a rebellious litle one. Am I? WADR, I don't see great swathing hordes of digital recording fiends plotting to subsume the planet! How many 'great new dawns of digital recording' have we seen in the past? DAT? DCC? MD outside Japan? > I tend to WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree with the above statement. My plans for the > summer, until things changed, were to release Harrogate '86 on 2CD. Not to > mention re-releasing Logotypes at the more reasonable $27.95 a copy... But > these have been delayed indefinately. Meanwhile, tapes of these gigs are bouncing happily around the public domain, as they have done for donkey's years. I can't afford to buy a CDR of every decent concert recording there is. You seem very sure that CDR is going to be the Big Leap Forward - I wonder if that will be the case in 5 years' time? > Hold your horses. As much as I was wanting to blend together the well-known > boot of the unreleased stuff 'Logotypes' with the original released 'Logos' > into a 2CD, the copyright issues are too dangerous.... Here's how you hear > the whole concert: > > Logos 0:00-5:15 > Logotypes ?-? (make sure you hear the 1st 3 mins of Tangent from Poland) Not to mention the extended Choronzon, too. > Logos 5:30-40something > White Eagle (Midnight in Tula, then White Eagle) > Logos-Dominion I never said we should ask for Logos (the album) to be included on a new release. I said we should not rule out years from which a live release already existed, a point which Lars mooted; I said this because there is good - but unreleased - material available from this tour. There is no need for any of the official Logos to be included (just as well, since it would be nixed anyway.) > Nobody ever said that the CD we release has to be one contiguous chunk! Er, except Lars himself had, I think, made that exact assumption in his original posting (as his reply to mine intimates). So you're not quite right there. In fact, my suggestion was to have a collection of live material from different tours, in order to make the release viable. > Again, the purpose is to get 65-74 minutes of signifigant unreleased music > (and please don't ask me to explain signifigant. In other words, we don't > need Rarebird on this disc!) Well, why don't you do what I did and suggest a choice of such material? I didn't lay down 134 mins or whatever as gospel, merely provided a sketch of what _could_ go into such a sketch. > A nice mix of unreleased stuff. If I could afford Three Tier Dream, well... If you noticed, the list I gave covered all of the unreleased material from the Digital Times disc of this. And your Harrogate 2CD will arguably supplant the Paris disc! > Good point. There's one hell of a transition from Rubycon to Stratosfear, IMO. And the live material from that year is very unlike Strat. Which, IMHO, makes it a prime candidate for the ''70s Box'. > Hah? You mean and early version of Horizon? I think it's funny that > Rarebird was also played at a 1982 concert or two (unless my sources are > wrong) and about 3 minutes of Tangent was played during 1982 concerts... Hmmmmmm, I didn't know Rare Bird was played during '82. But during the Australia '82 tour they played an early version of Horizon, but with clear influences of Thief and White Eagle sounds. > Logos must be experienced in its entirety. The unreleased stuff is just as > good as the released stuff! I would say better, heretic that I am! > So there isn't very much unreleased stuff from 84? Or it's all on bootlegs? > I'm not too up on boots... Athens is (I believe) very much indebted to Poland, and that was the only 1984 date. The '83 concerts also don't cover new ground - my fave is Fassbinder, which mixes released material in an interesting way. > Maybe I'm biased, I love 80's TD (until end of '86) Not counting Berlin 1980, I think you'd get about 3 hours max from all the unreleased stuff of the '80s (not counting some of the Legend tracks that are under copyright.) I think there's probably 0 chance of seeing any of the '86 stuff since, by implication, it would give the game away about Livemiles once and for all, and EF seems determined to save some face judging by the new liner notes. As Senor Jones says, come on - how about more suggestions? MS -- =============================================================================== Mark Schaffer 'You must cut down the mightiest tree in Department Of Mathematics the forest......with......a herring!' Imperial College (Monty Python's Flying Circus) LONDON SW7 2BZ Tel 0171 - 589 5111 x58619 =============================================================================== From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: FSOL (again) Really-From: aaron.collett@c... When I criticise FSoL for a lack of composition, I mean what I say quite literally. Yes, what they do is composition, but to me it sounds thin. FSOL are a great band. The first album is crap, but Lifeforms is surely one of the greatest electronic music albums ever made. Its not a result of great song structure but its down to the whole collage of sound. In reply to earlier e-mails regarding 'chilling out', I believe that this is the ultimate chill out album. Dark room, lying on the bed and just floating away. Does anyone listen to William Orbit and associated projects? Again excellent floaty music with a touch of ethno added. What else do you all listen to? Orb, Oldfield, Floyd, Art of Noise, System 7, Sunkings,???????? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band could be pro Author: at internet Date: 07/07/97 23:46 Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > It seemed to me there were only about 3 or 4 different artists, working > > [on 'Tangerine Ambience'] under multiple aliases. > > No, to the best of my knowledge, Dean was the only such artist, doing > 'Exit' as Dean De Benedictis and doing 'Phaedra' as Surface 10. The > other tracks were each by different artists I think -- not sure but I do > know about Dean and have no reason the think the other tracks are by the > same people. What does it matter, anyway? I'd like to know why these artists feel ashamed to do it all under one name. > > The 'Phaedra' cover was interesting, but I thought the sequencers would > > have sounded better in their original orientations. As for the 'BCS' > > 'cover', well, doesn't a cover usually mean keeping some semblance of > > the original melody? Which these two clowns DIDN'T EVEN TRY??? > > Guess that means you didn't like them. When did you develop such a talent for understatement? ;) > While not wild about them, I did > like them and think they're very interesting treatments. The cover of > 'Phaedra' is 5AS in my book and I've made several copies of it for other > people who all said they really liked it too. I think it is very true > to the original, but with a clarity not found in any other version I've > heard (album, compilation, or live performance). Well, as I said before, maybe they'll get it right this time. > If by ENO, you mean Brian Eno, I think you have some wiring crossed. Right, shouldn't have been capitalized. I have read 3 interviews with Eno, and he strikes me as just the flakiest SOB on Earth next to Prince. 'Why don't I like classical music? There's not enough Africa in it!' Give me a bloody break!!! > When I criticise FSoL for a lack of composition, I mean what I say quite > literally. Yes, what they do is composition, but to me it sounds thin. > Raw, yes, and that's more than okay as that's what I like about it, but > thin nonetheless. This is my personal opinion and not the word passed > down from on high. I just prefer thick, dense composition. Which you've obviously been getting enough of from TD (and others)... > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > > > I'm not belittling what FSOL does or the amount of skill required > > > -- it's considerable and the lads are quite clever. What I'm > > > suggesting is: Why settle for a snack when TD is serving up > > > banquets? > > > > OOH, yer openin' a can o' worms with that one, Mark. ... > > But I don't get the point of trying to compare it > to TD? Am I just being clueless here? Is this the endless 'old TD' > -vs- 'new TD' debate wearing different clothes? If so, I'm sorry I > joined it. No, it's the 'current FSOL' vs. 'new TD' debate. I don't know where the comparisons to TD got started myself--it must be some kind of revisionist viewpoint that judges both types of music largely on texture and 'trip value'. But TD's approach has *always* been more traditionally based than FSOL's, and much less 'cranky-honky-noisy'. > Regards to All -- Mark > real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 2:05 pm Subject: TANGERINE DREAM ON TV Really-From: 'SIDEX SA - CENTRUL DE CALCUL' Hi, Craig Cordrey >Bogdan, >Since you've asked three times, here's my reply : >I don't have any new internet sites to suggest, sorry. Thanks. Shall I start post my messages 3 times from now on ? ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------- TangerineC@a... > >In a message dated 97-07-07 03:18:37 EDT, you write: > >>Thank you ... and have a good time you lucy ones ! >> >> >>Regards, Bogdan >> >> >Why only good luck to everyone named Lucy? How about me? Selfish!!! :) Nop ... in a hurry to give you a fine piece of info ! ------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Filipak > >> Really-From: TangerineC@a... >> Why only good luck to everyone named Lucy? How about me? Selfish!!! :) > >NO TOM. I SAID YOU LOOK LIKE A SHELLFISH. -- Mark Thanks Mark. Hey Tom , how about a lucky shellfish called ... Lucy,or Tom ... or something... or ... ------------------------------------------------------------- Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) > >VH-1 is on the Astra 1D sattelite, 19.2 East at 11.612 GHz hor., >but it shares this frequency with Nickelodeon, kicking in >only after 8 pm. Fortunately, the program 'Hoch 5.Tangerine Dream' >is scheduled for 10:00 h and repeats 18:30 h and 21:30 h, >so those who get it full time on cable can make several >'original' tapes to supply the less fortunate fans. As I said,the quote was '19.30 (romanian time).Hands up! Tangerine Dream'. >You wouldn't omit that, would you ;-) > :-) .Yes , I meant ALL fans.:-) >On the same bird, at 11.538 GHz vert., is UK's VH-1, encoded. >I don't know if the two have anything to do with each other. They don't ! ------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Feldman > Only half an hour, eh? How'd you find out that that's the running >time of the show? By time substractions ! :-) > Also, why is this show called THE BOMB? The subject is a bomb man,not the name of the show ! ------------------------------------------------------------- Jens >I would read 'THE BOMB : TANGERINE DREAM ON TV !' as >'Watch out !, hey your eyes will popp out: TANGERINE DREAM ON TV !'. > Beavis : Yes ,yes ,yes ! >BTW: >VH-1 can be received with cable TV too - that means millions of germans are >able to tape it !! >Mark, should I tape it for you ? (30 minutes TD on VH-1 (7/9/97) and 35 >minutes TD on Vox (7/17/97)?) - >you don´t need to answer ;-) > Hey , how about me ? ------------------------------------------------------------- Regards,Bogdan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 2:11 pm Subject: re: a list rarity? Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Thanks to everyone contributing to the list rarity discussion. It looks like, at this moment, that Mark Schaffer's idea of a live compilation is getting the nod... but please don't stop the discussion! Before we move much further with this, we might wish to clarify some issues and here's where we need the help/advice of the experts: Klaus B, Peter R & Peter S--when you return from holdiay--, Matthew H, John B, Jason H, Christian H -- and all others whose names I haven't mentioned only out of my own ignorance: Who owns the rights to material performed live but never released? TD or Virgin (for the 74-early 80s stuff)? I suspect TD owns the rights to its unreleased material -- otherwise it would have been difficult for them to release, for example, bits of stuff on poland that had been played on the logos tour... Therefore, either jive bought the rights from Virgin (I doubt it) or TD retained them since they were never 'released.' Can anyone shed light on this issue? If Edgar/TD owns the rights to the unreleased live stuff then it make life a lot simpler for us. Our next step is to nominate and 'agree' upon (to the extent possible ;-) about 3CDs worth of live unreleased material -- this would allow Edgar the chance to reject some tracks he doesn't like. Ultlimately the decision of whether it be a single or double CD would be up to him. Also, just to clarify my earlier comments about the financial aspects: it is my hope that we would NOT need to promote this release other than through grapevine of TD fans & collectors. Between this list (400 members) KLEM (1,500 members), Dream Collector, Voyager, BTH, and other collectors/fans with whom many of us are in touch, I would hope that we could guarantee Edgar/TD 1,000 - 2,000 sales for this release -- many in advance if need be. Plus, as an official release, the official TD web page would reach many other fans. Then, don't forget the boutique dealers for any leftovers. I think this minimizes the work that any one us will have to do promoting the project as Mark F. has suggested. And it also provides some security to Edgar. Nevertheless, the risk in this project remains his and our task is to minimize that risk to the greatest extent possible. Also, I think our goal is less to prod him into creating another CD for general release (to satisfy our greed) and more to form/develop some sort of a fan-artist relationship with him that *encourages* him to release something for the fans (a win-win). He and Jerome did do Quinoa for the fans; they've participated in at least one KLEM project; there was the Easter Island contest (all of these being no profit ventures I believe); it is debateable but even the tour CDs (Bush + 1997) could be seen as something for the fans. I think Edgar is open to this type of idea -- especially if it will be profitable for him/them and appreciated by the fans. Judging from the web page comments about Oasis and the recent TDI releases in Europe, I'd say Edgar might even be happy to do it without 'the big guys' (labels) and just for the music. I would be happy to contact TD about this but, honestly, I don't think they'd even bother to reply to me. What I think we really need at this point is for someone who has cultivated a relationship with TD (Klaus, Peter, ??) to approach them with this idea and (some of) the nominations and get some idea of whether the project is viable or not. so, nominations please? lars ps, mine will follow as I get a chance to listen to the tapes this week Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5759 Re: a list rarity? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Wed 7/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 4:24 pm Subject: Re: a list rarity? Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >so, nominations please? > >lars >ps, mine will follow as I get a chance to listen to the tapes this week I have no fan tapes, and very little in the way of live boots (which may or may not be off limits, depending on who's talking)so can nominate very little. The following probably breaks all the 'rules' setup previously, and raises the spectre of copyright, etc., but this would be a great release for me : Logostypes - the unreleased material between 'Logos intro' and 'White Eagle' Antarktis - Dolphin Smile and the Haslinger Piano solo Raetikon - the 'Mojave Plan' extended mix Me-Rad - the first track (hey, leave me alone, I like this). That's one CD taken care of! 8-) ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 4:20 pm Subject: Re: Logos Details Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > >Regarding Mark Filipak's (excellent) track work for the Logos concert in >particular, I assume that you are aware Mark that the tracks listed are not >complete, as detailed on the Logostypes boot/tape. > >This may be for various reasons : >1) I note that you state 'evening show' and so perhaps 'Logostypes' is from the >afternoon (?) show and hence different Logotypes is not from a concert. It is from a rehearsal and is a soundboard recording (directly connected to the instruments) which may or may not have been recorded the afternoon before the Logos concert in England (let's not forget that much of the 'Logos' concert material was actually played throughout 1982 during the tour and there wasn't a huge difference between concerts). The standard material consists of what they played on the official Logos release, plus about 26 minutes of unreleased stuff appearing on Logotypes, and Dominion. In addition, Rarebird , 3 minutes of Tangent, Mojave Plan, Chorozon (Exit), and Midnight in Tula (White Eagle), White Eagle, and snippets of The Soldier soundtrack during various concerts of 1982. Rumor has it that an early version of Horizon (Poland) was also played... Again, here's the layout of the actual 1982 Logos concert (evening). Keep in mind that I don't have Logotypes, but I do have the material on a noisy fantape... Official Logos 0:00-5:15 Unreleased Stuff 26 minutes (Appears on Logotypes) The Soldier ?? (I am not sure where, but it *was* played at Logos!) Chorozon ??:??-??:?? Tangent ??:??- only the first 3 minutes had been composed by 1982. -------- end of set one Mojave Plan ??:??-??:?? Official Logos 5:16-42?? Midnight in Tula (encore 1) White Eagle (encore 2) Dominion (encore 3) Morgan P.S. At the beginning of the Poland concert, there is a 'piano strike' sound which also appears on Hyperborea... Does anyone know if part of Hyperborea played as a soundcheck or intro to the Poland concert? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5838 Logos Details feldon@p... Fri 7/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 4:20 pm Subject: Re: No subject given Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: aaron.collett@c... > > As a relatively new TD fan, I have really only heard a few of their > moments. I have, > Miracle Mile > Optical Race > Livemiles > Turn of the Tides > Tyranny of Beauty > Underwater Sunlight > and ... the Dream Roots collection 5 cd (the four tracks on the 5th cd > are excellent) Alright! Time for you to start collecting classic Tangerine Dream, right? I started with Turn of the Tides and Rockoon. Then I started working my way backwards. I wouldn't recommend buying something from 1974 just yet, you might not like it. But if you got Poland from 1984 (don't buy Excerpts or Extracts of Poland, make sure you get the 2 CD version!), then Logos 1982, then Tangram 1980, and keep working backwards. But don't rush it! At least, that's my opinion. > However, why oh why is Edgar slapping a load of sax over his music? > The guitar work is excellent, but I think he ought to sack Linda Spa. > I can just about live with the sax on Tyranny, but Turn of the Tides > (the album I bought yesterday) is unbearable. > How many albums is she on? Linda is officially gone. Her last album was Goblin's Club and she plays more synthesizer than sax. Not a bad album. I still believe that the best album that TD had released since 1986 in The Dream Mixes. Make sure you get the Austrian release with the really cool cover (not the yellow and purple one). It is a 2CD set and contains everything from the yellow/purple release plus 6 more tracks. I still haven't got Oasis so maybe this will change my ranking of Dream Mixes... who knows... Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 4:20 pm Subject: Re: a list rarity? Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: m.schaffer@i... > >> >> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >> >> --> My point is only driven by 1) my personal desire to hear more >> unreleased stuff legitimately released >Does this mean stuff completely unreleased, or stuff that's only available >via the shadier channels? :) Well, if we push hard enough, we could probably get access to studio material. But let's not get an official release of something that's available on a fairly good quality bootleg. It's not worth it. >> a case in point is >> Tournado -- with no new material (aside from the drum solo) how many people >> are NOT rushing to buy it? >Do the contents actually matter? I remember the same furore over GC last year. >The fans slavishly went out and bought it soon after release. Ah, but we're wiser now! We don't feverishly go out any buy anymore. People are more cautious of Tournado and Oasis...hopefully.. >> Besides there is a lot of white eagle on the logos tour and that's >> already been released too. >At the risk of wanting to squeeze every last drop out of the tours, that >still leaves stuff unavailable (except on boots) from that tour. And it's >no rubbish, either. I don't think we're going to have to 'squeeze' anything; there's a LOT of unreleased stuff from various concerts... The Logos stuff already appears on Logotypes. Having the opportunity to hear the Harrogate 1986 boot tapes, this isn't a bad concert... and lots of unreleased/signifigantly changed tracks... >> --> again, the sales factor. Need I bring up Tangents and DRC here also? >Yes please; I have to admit that the point is lost on me. How can we >possibly begin to compare the sales of each of these with hypothetical sales >of sets which would have contained more rarities/unreleased studio & live >tracks? Well, I think we should decide which unreleased material appears on the disc... No offense to Edgar, but disc 5 of Tangents? Even Dream Roots disc 5... There is better unreleased stuff, no question about it! >I bought them because they bore >the name 'Tangerine Dream' and I have no self-control. I rue the day I ever >wasted 50 quid on the former, although having a clear version of Silver >Scale softens the blow - a bit. But I don't want to turn this into a polemic >on Tangents. Again, things have changed. The people on this list seem to have been shocked back to reality by recent TD releases. TD 'lite' is not going to interest most TD fans (it doesn't interest me), we need vintage stuff that's really good, which means probably from a concert. There are hundreds of hours of stuff on studio tapes. I think we would be killing ourselves to try to sort this stuff out... For the record, I would buy Phaedra/Rubycon-like stuff. Only 80 minutes of this stuff isn't enough for me! Surely there are hours of good 74-75 stuff. (Forgive me, I don't have any live bootlegs other than a noisy Logos) And I know the compositional value fluctuated drastically during these years... Honestly, less than 30 minutes of 'Live! Improvised!' could be considered 'album material'. Still, we could edit together various stuff... >> I think the sales appeal needs to be more universal (which IMO unreleased >> material gives) vs. something aimed at the few hard-core collectors only. >Now we're really getting into a heavy area - who is actually going to buy >this? I'm not all that convinced that many people other than fans will buy >_whatever_ they release, >The advantage of targetting the fan base is that it's easier to get an idea >of potential sales figures We should target fans... >IMO, though, probably the >only part likely to make it as an official cut is the 14-minute encore >(the rest is possibly a wee bit to spacey and Tangram-ish). Well, that's an opinion... But I would pay money for a complete 2CD of the whole concert including the highly-praised and never-touched-my-ears 14 minute encore...Honestly, I like Pergamon better than Tangram because it was the transition from free-flowing improvisational TD to the rigid sequences of Tangram which carried forth until Schmoelling left. >> Besides, that lessens the sales appeal... >Does it? For argument's sake, suppose they released a single CD of >'highlights of 1980 tour' (which, by my reckoning, they could get about >an hour out of, give or take a bit.) Taken straight from the master tapes, >lovely stereo sound quality, missus, one pervious owner etc - is there >anyone on the list who wouldn't buy it? (other than people who don't like >that particular era.......) Several people are mentioning the 1980 tour... If it is really as good as everyone is making it sound, then maybe a self-appointed member of the list could sit down and edit together an audio-tape of what this 'highlights from 1980 tour' would sound like. Let's get the creative juices flowing... After this initial investment, people could send blank tapes and get copies of this tape... If the reaction is good, we know where we're going, if the reaction is, well, I'd like more 1977 stuff, ok then, we'll see what happens... >having brainwashed myself >recently with overexposure to early '80s concerts (hang on, is that >physically possible?) I realised that, if you wanted the unreleased stuff >only, you'd have to do some chopping and changing - and if you wanted to >maximise the amount you got, you'd have to take several years into account, >since the pattern for the '80s was to keep some material from the previous >tour, and add a few new bits Believing that we'll get a one hour chunk from a particular concert is craziness. We're going to have to edit this baby from several concerts, maybe spanning a few years. And anyone who says this is too complicated is obviously not very dedicated to this project. >Er, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't 'Dreaming On Danforth Avenue' >released _before_ 220V? Not only that, 220 Volt Live 'Oriental Haze' was released on the Rockoon special edition CD (I don't know if it was before or after 220 volt was released) >Mr & Mrs Public, who >don't know the boot outlets, wouldn't have access to the surreptitious >avenues anyway, so they're not detracting from sales. And unless the boot >is of particularly good quality Well, let's put it this way: There is no way in HELL that our album will ever appear on mainstream music store shelves! So this business of Mr & Mrs Public is a waste of time. We're going to have to infiltrate the electronic music camps. >Well, as I say, that rules out all post '80 stuff, unless you're prepared >to have something that's on a boot already, but in better quality. If we put together a really good CD containing rare bits of post 1980's stuff, even if it appears on various bootlegs, I think it would sell. Am I the only one who can't afford the time and money involved in trying to get 50 or so bootleg tapes just to enjoy the unreleased stuff from 1980-1985? >Would you have vetoed Silver Scale's inclusion on Tangents? There is, after >all, a reasonable rendition on Brussels '80. Good point! And honestly, Silver Scale isn't TD's best track...They should have just put the unreleased stuff from Logos on Tangents, but we can't change history without a time machine... Morgan The other statements were excellent, but I don't want to waste bandwidth repeating them...Who knows how involved Edgar will be in this whole thing, whether he'll WANT to be involved, etc... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Amorphous Androgenous = FSOL Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: FSOL (again) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 08 Jul 97 14:55:04 GMT >Really-From: aaron.collett@c... > > FSOL are a great band. The first album is crap, but Lifeforms is > surely one of the greatest electronic music albums ever made. I was not aware that they had a first album before LIFEFORMS. You aren't referring to TALES OF EPHEDRINA by Amorphous Androgenous, are you? In case you didn't know, this is FSOL under an alias, doing what amounts to a pop version of LIFEFORMS. There are distinct, almost- commercial tracks, here, and the title track is great! This CD came out on Astralwerks in the USA and isn't hard to find. Most folks-- even record shop-types--don't realize that it's FSOL, though. I found out from a techno record shop in my home town four years ago. For those disappointed with the LIFEFORMS CD-single, definitely seek out TALES OF EPHEDRINA. Heck, seek it out, anyhow! ;) Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Emdreams, CNI News, Contact ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Forum, _PEER_ Perspectives, ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ the Nausicaa list, Tadream, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ & Hong Kong Film Connection ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: sfeldman@w... ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5769 Re: Amorphous Androgenous = FSOL Gabe Yedid Wed 7/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 4:51 pm Subject: Re: No subject given Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: aaron.collett@c... > > > > As a relatively new TD fan, I have really only heard a few of their > moments. I have, > Miracle Mile > Optical Race > Livemiles > Turn of the Tides > Tyranny of Beauty > Underwater Sunlight > and ... the Dream Roots collection 5 cd (the four tracks on the 5th cd > are excellent) > > However, why oh why is Edgar slapping a load of sax over his music? > The guitar work is excellent, but I think he ought to sack Linda Spa. > I can just about live with the sax on Tyranny, but Turn of the Tides > (the album I bought yesterday) is unbearable. > How many albums is she on? The sax is on all TD-albums beginning in '70s. Edgar always wanted the group to be a sax-group. Entering real world. She entered TDs music about 1990(don't know exactly), but she has left the group. (thank goodness) Although I prefer to watch her on stage then Jerome, it's the music that counts. Wow, you've got quite an exploration to do. Discovering the 70s and 80s TD. Now that's what I want to do over again. By the way, Dave: I can't help you with TD on TV. I can't receive the channel too. (I'm from The Netherlands) So my question for Jens, could you please make a copy for me (original or copy, doesn't matter). I'll give you something special in the form of a few minutes of unreleased music. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 6:43 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #973 Really-From: Tom Richmond > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 14:58:27 +0000 (GMT) > Subject: The Rebirth of a Tangerine Dream Fan > > Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > > Last Friday afternoon at work, I wasn't feeling too well. When I got > home, I > decided to have a lie down and, surprisingly, decided to listen to > some music > too. I picked out Pergamon, plugged in my Personal CD player, put on > my > headphones and lay back with my eyes closed. > It was amazing being able to hear so many different parts of the music > - > indivdual lines and layers that I could concentrate on for minutes > before > leaving that sequence or melody and finding something else. I think I > can see > why such music is popular with druggies - if that's what it does to me > without > stimulus, I'd be scared to try it with anything taken! > > Anyway, just thought I'd let you know that I am a born-again fan. I > hope to > give each of TD's albums the same effort over the coming months - and > I am > excited to think of what new and previously hidden aspects I will find > in them > by really 'listening' to them. > Usually I just lurk here, but this struck a chord with me. I used to do this regularly, unfortunately not so much any more. I have a wife and kids that wouldn't care to be 'ignored' all the time. IMO this is THE way to listen to TD (and others). Get out Ricochet NOW! It's amazing. You probably won't approach sleep though. Now you have me wondering; maybe I could get up an hour early, stay up an hour late - hear more music. (Is sleep a necessity?) Anyway, listening with (relatively) undivided attention is what made me a TD fan in the first place. I highly recommend it to everyone! Got to get back to work... (Crawling back under my rock now.) Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 7:31 pm Subject: TD ON TV copies for Bogdan, Marcel and Mike was: several messages Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' --------------------------------------------------------------- Bogdan >>BTW: >>VH-1 can be received with cable TV too - that means millions of germans are >>able to tape it !! >>Mark, should I tape it for you ? (30 minutes TD on VH-1 (7/9/97) and 35 >>minutes TD on Vox (7/17/97)?) - >>you don´t need to answer ;-) >> > Hey , how about me ? Thanks for the information about the TD show - I wouldn´t know it whithout you (the list) although I am able to receive the VH-1 channel ! See above ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------- Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > So my question for Jens, could you please make a copy for me (original or > copy, doesn't matter). I'll give you something special in the form of a few > minutes of unreleased music. Jupp, unreleased FSP ? Me, me, me :) Marcel, I´ll tape it for you. I must do it ;-) -------------------------------------------------------------- I´ll try to get 3 extra VCR-tapes (Pal-VHS) (original recordings) of tomorrows TD-show on VH-1. One for Bogdan, Marcel and Mike ! The others on the list should ask Stephen Bischoff or the other guys from germany. Rainer ? are you still out there ? Cheers ! Jens Peschke Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5772 Re: TD ON TV copies for Bogdan, Marcel and Mike w Francisco Salgado C. Wed 7/9/1997 3 KB 5778 Re: TD ON TV copies for Bogdan, Marcel and Mike w Mark Filipak Wed 7/9/1997 3 KB 5782 Re: TD ON TV copies for Bogdan, Marcel and Mike w Mark Filipak Wed 7/9/1997 2 KB 5783 Re: TD ON TV copies for Bogdan, Marcel and Mike w Mark Filipak Wed 7/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 7:50 pm Subject: Re: a list rarity? Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-07-08 14:38:58 EDT, you write: << when u guys talk about 'the keep', is it the blue moon records version > (bm-12) ? > > thanks, > tom w Yes. I seem to be one of the few people on Earth who has a copy of this that _doesn't_ sound like it was recorded with microphones drenched in marmalade in a studio in a swamp. >> mine doesnt sound too bad either...tom w From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 7:54 pm Subject: RE: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Really-From: MCINTYRE@p... >Really-From: Hammer1612@a... >OK--here is the straight poop on the 1977 tour. This is straight from the >Official Tour merchandise made available from Virgin: >Spring Tour--March 29 - April 26, 1977: >3/30 Detroit Ford Auditorium I think this show was March 31, but memories that old could easily be wrong. If I can find my ticket stub I'll post the real date. >Summer Tour--Originally Scheduled July 9-August 7, 1977: >8/6 Meadowbrook Pine Knob Both Meadowbrook and Pine Knob are venues that are generally considered to be Detroit. The August 1977 show was scheduled for Pine Knob. They did play Meadowbrook on the Haslinger tour (was that 1986?) and Pine Knob for the tour that Andy Summers opened (was that 1988?). Meadowbrook was just about completely full, but Pine Knob was one of the smallest crowds I've ever seen there. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5777 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Mark Filipak Wed 7/9/1997 4 KB 5795 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Ken Alexander Wed 7/9/1997 2 KB 5802 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Mark Filipak Wed 7/9/1997 3 KB 5805 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Doug Pearson Thu 7/10/1997 3 KB 5819 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Mark Filipak Thu 7/10/1997 2 KB 5846 Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Doug Pearson Fri 7/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 8:53 pm Subject: Re: Amorphous Androgenous = FSOL Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > >Subject: FSOL (again) > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > >Date: Tue, 08 Jul 97 14:55:04 GMT > >Really-From: aaron.collett@c... > > > > FSOL are a great band. The first album is crap, but Lifeforms is > > surely one of the greatest electronic music albums ever made. > > I was not aware that they had a first album before LIFEFORMS. You > aren't referring to TALES OF EPHEDRINA by Amorphous Androgenous, are > you? No, I think he means _Accelerator_, bascially a compilation of the singles and EPs FSOL did in the early '90s. VERY dancefloor-oriented. > > Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 4:21 pm Subject: TD LP's Really-From: Michael Fox Hi all! I found these LP's at auction on the Cal Album website (http://home.earthlink.net/~calalbums/index.htm TD: Alpha Centuri (ger) Atem; cyclone; Elec Med; Force Maj (clear vinyl); Op Race; Phaedra; Ricochet; Stratosfear; Tangram; Zeit P. Bauman: Repeat Repeat; Romance; Trans Harmonic Nights; Daytime Logic; 12' Strangers in night (4 versions) E. Froese: Aqua K. Shulze: Body Love (nude cover); Irrlight, Picture Music OST: Heartbreakers There ya go! Cheers, Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Re: a list rarity? Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >> All live shows until 1980 were so improvised that any that weren't > >directly > used for one of the live albums should qualify. >> >> My personal favourite : Nottingham 1976 >> > >My Idea of a rity is not a single live concert but themes present along >many live shows that never wasn't published on any oficial album, >single musical jewels never heard of except for the performance where >they have played it. Francisco, just trust me. This concert, especially the third piece (of which only a few distorted minutes are documented on a fantape) fully meets your criteria. -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 10:30 pm Subject: Re: TD ON TV copies for Bogdan, Marcel and Mike was: several messages Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hi folks, I have a dish poiting to Astra so I will be recording this program on a high quality VHS tape. I'm able to make good quality 2nd gen. PAL copìes of this program. so I could help some people who want a copy. Maybe a good idea for american folks is to have a PAL original in order to do a NTSC traslation at a profesional place and then make 2nd gen. copies out of this NTSC master for the american collegues. Keep in mind that european PAL format is a 625 line (50Hz) format ( NTSC is 525 lines per frame( 60 Hz)). Color is not compatible with NTSC either, since in order to reject color drift caused by channel fluctuations, PAL does 180º phase inverison every line; and, to get the color of a certain line, two consecutive lines are added after inverting one of them (180º phase shift). Since color is coded as a phase change, a drift caused by the channel is cancelled when adding two lines that way ( assuming changes on the channel are slow compared with the time lag between consecutive lines ). --Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 10:32 pm Subject: Pink Oz or Wizard of Floyd (sorry, not much TD in here) Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: aaron.collett@c... > > Pink Floyd DSOTM - Wizard of Oz? > > What, explain, I'm a little lost!!! > Apparently, someone discovered that if you watch the Wizard of Oz while listening to DSOTM, the music seems to fit. Just start the CD right after the MGM lion roars the third time and watch. I think we've talked about this before on the list... Maybe you weren't present at the time. (or maybe I'm smoking butterflies :-) ) On another note, I saw in a local Best Buy ad that they were advertising DSOTM and WoO together, on sale! (not together in one package, mind you, but together on the ad) A little TD -- does anyone know if this TD TV appearance will be broadcast on VH1 USA? Or is there going to be any VHS copies that will find their way here? Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 8, 1997 11:28 pm Subject: Discography Format -- Logos Tracklist Really-From: Mark Filipak Subject was 'Re: Logos and Poland tracks for Ian Shillingford' > Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > > Regarding Mark Filipak's (excellent) track work for the Logos concert > in particular, I assume that you are aware Mark that the tracks listed > are not complete, as detailed on the Logostypes boot/tape. ... I'm vaguely aware of this, but so far, my requests for a more detailed track listing from the concert have gone for naught. I don't have 'Logotypes' or any fantapes of this show. BTW: Thank you for the complement on the format. I've been listening to the data as it subtlely tells me how it wants to be formatted and came up this method when I was paying particularly close attention. The data are divided into three sections: project name (top), performance tracks (middle) and media releases (bottom). I've found this is how the data is happiest and have used this format for studio projects too to wonderful effect as it facilitates the direct comparision of tracks on LPs, CDs, CD5s, plus 7- and 12-inch singles. This approach has also facilitated cross referencing directly with- out having to make a separate section of the discography for that purpose. In addition to the data itself, many people have given me invaluable feedback that has helped me -- thank you all, even those who merely said it was too complicated (you prompted me find a less complicated way to organize the material). > This [incomplete listing of Logos tracks] may be for various reasons: > 1) I note that you state 'evening show' and so perhaps 'Logostypes' > is from the afternoon (?) show and hence different > 2) I have misinterpreted the information being presented, and it > shows the music on the album release, not the music played at the > concert > 3) you are not ware of the additional music played at the concert > 4) I'm an idiot talking out of my posterior > > Which of the above options applies, Mark (allowing that option '4' > may be nominated in combination with either of the first three). I think it's most likely option 3 . Would anyone more 'in the know' like to help out with this? Cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 2:57 am Subject: Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i.e. Musically)? Really-From: Doug Pearson tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: Doug Pearson > > > > > ['Touchwood,' 'Video Dream Mixes' version, -vs- 'Dream Mixes' > > versions of 'Touchwood'] > > [ snip] > Album versions of 'Touchwood' > > ROCKOON > 3 Touchwood [4:34] > > THE DREAM MIXES > Disc 1 > 3 Touchwood (Forest Mix) [7:00] (132 beats/min) > Disc 2 > 1 Touchwood (Radio Edit) [4:02] > 4 Touchwood (Poison Byte Mix) [7:54] (160 beats/min) > > THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES > 6 Touchwood [7:57] > > Note that the 'Poison Byte Mix' is longer than the 'Forest Mix' (7:54 > -vs- 7:00) and more closely matches the running time of the version of > 'Touchwood' on 'VDM' (7:57). > Note that the 'Poison Byte Mix' _is_ faster than the 'Forest Mix' (160 > bpm -vs- 132 bpm). > Note that the 'Poison Byte Mix' _does_ have dubbed female voice > (Indi-pop?) whereas the 'Forest Mix' doesn't. > Note that the 'Poison Byte Mix' _is_ more techno than the 'Forest Mix.' > Note that the 'Poison Byte Mix' _doesn't_ have the percussion 'drive' > section at 4:15 that the 'Forest Mix' does. > > Okay, now that I've presented everything that I can think of regarding > these, here's the question as succinctly as I can put it: > > In your estimation, is track 6 of 'VDM' > > 1- an extended remix of the 'Forest Mix' sped up, or > 2- a remix of the 'Poison Byte Mix,' or > 3- the same as the 'Poison Byte Mix,' or > 4- a reperformance? > > I know this is a judgement call. I would appreciate your judgement -- > anyone/everyone else's too. :-) > I wish I had the 2 disc version of DREAM MIXES so I could be sure but since I don't I have to go with #3; it is the same version. I rechecked my running times. The times that I listed before were based upon the start of one track against the start of the previous. The player only displays a running total. If you take into account that there is a very small space of nothingness to varying degrees between tracks the time for Touchwood goes down from my original time of 7:57 to 7:52.something. It starts at 21:01 and finishes just a hair past 28:53. This is actually closer to the 7:54 CD (#3) running time than my original time was. -dep- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 6:34 am Subject: Re: Logos Details ( Warning: Long Anal Probe ) Really-From: Mark Filipak That's LAP, for short. (If I don't get awarded the title of list proctologist, I'm going to resign my commission!) If you're not interested in this, go to the end. You may be interested in a way to convert tape deck counter readouts directly to running times. > Really-From: feldon@p... > [...] > Logotypes is not from a concert. It is from a rehearsal ... > > The standard material consists of what they played on the official > Logos release, plus about 26 minutes of unreleased stuff appearing > on Logotypes, and Dominion. But you just said 'Logotypes' is from a rehearsal !! Am I confused (?) > In addition, Rarebird , 3 minutes of Tangent, Mojave Plan, Chorozon > (Exit), and Midnight in Tula (White Eagle), White Eagle, and > snippets of The Soldier soundtrack during various concerts of > 1982. Rumor has it that an early version of Horizon (Poland) was > also played... You say you have a fantape of the Dominion show -- aren't you sure what was played? > Again, here's the layout of the actual 1982 Logos concert (evening). > Keep in mind that I don't have Logotypes, but I do have the material > on a noisy fantape... > > Official Logos 0:00-5:15 > Unreleased Stuff 26 minutes (Appears on Logotypes) > The Soldier ?? (I am not sure where, but it *was* played at Logos!) > Chorozon ??:??-??:?? > Tangent ??:??- only the first 3 minutes had been composed by 1982. > > -------- end of set one > > Mojave Plan ??:??-??:?? > Official Logos 5:16-42?? > Midnight in Tula (encore 1) > White Eagle (encore 2) > Dominion (encore 3) Okay, the data has spoken to me again (this time with Morgan's timely and cogent help -- thanks Morgan!). I've listed below what I now have for the Dominion Theatre gig and for 'Logotypes' -- I merged Morgan's info in. I don't have 'Logotypes' either so I'm clueless about it but its similarity to the unreleased tracks of the Dominion show are unmistakable. [[ begin 4 points of discussion ]] 1 - Ladies and Gentlemen. I direct you attention to the ?-marks below. Of particular interest are the text strings that look like this: '[??:??]' -- they are unknown running times. Can anyone supply these (also see my note at the end about converting tape counter readouts to running times). If these times are provided, all the other '??:??' will go away. I guess that if what Morgan says about 'Logotypes' is correct, these unknown running times _cannot_ be figured out by listening to 'Logotypes' as that is from a rehearsal and not from the actual show. So what I'm asking for are the running times from a fantape of the show if one exists (isn't that what _you_ were listing, Morgan? -- could you list the running times too?). 2 - I was also wondering if anyone has that 'Logos' V 2257 test pressing. Does it really have a different mix? How? 3 - For convenience, I've added 'Physical track index points' to the CD media entries since they are now different from the times at the actual show. 4 - Note that since Morgan wrote that the show started with: > Official Logos 0:00-5:15 and then as part of set 2: > Official Logos 5:16-42?? and that his 'break point' at 5:15 is during a bridge, I've decided that the bridge on the album _must_ be a studio creation (track 22, below) since it is highly implausible that TD would start a bridge in set 1 and then continue it in set 2, eh? To accommodate the _real_ bridge in the concert, I've put in a 46 second bridge at the 5:15 point, but without the fantape, this is pure conjecture on my part (though it does match the information Morgan gave). [[ end 4 points of discussion ]] (skip down to 'Logotypes' entry) _________________________________________________________________ DOMINION THEATRE, LONDON [6 Nov 82] (afternoon show) - EF/CF/JS (I got nada for this.) _________________________________________________________________ DOMINION THEATRE, LONDON [6 Nov 82] (evening show) - EF/CF/JS (-- Set 1 [??:??] --) 12 ??:?? Logos-Red [6:16] 1 00:00 (introduction) [0:15] ('Wake up!') 2 00:15 Logos 1 [4:16] 13 ??:?? Logos-Blue [5:28] 3 04:29 (bridge 1) [0:46] 14 ??:?? (bridge 4) [5:07] 4 05:15 (unknown, unreleased) 15 ??:?? Logos 5 [4:31] [26:00+/-] 16 ??:?? (bridge 5) [0:10] 5 ??:?? The Soldier [??:??] 17 ??:?? Logos 6 [6:54] 6 ??:?? Choronzon [??:??] 18 ??:?? Logos 7 [2:30] 7 ??:?? Tangent [3:00+/-] (-- Encores --) (-- Set 2 [??:??] --) 19 Midnight in Tula [?:??] 8 00:00 Mojave Plan [??:??] 20 White Eagle [?:??] 9 ??:?? (bridge 2) [?:??] 21 Dominion [5:25] 10 ??:?? Logos-Velvet [5:17] (-- studio created bridgework --) 11 ??:?? (bridge 3) [2:12] 22 (studio bridge 1) [2:02] LP - Tracks ? as LOGOS [1982] Virgin (GB) V 2257 (test pressing; different mix) LP - Tracks 1+2+22+10-14(first 0:11),14(last 4:56)-18,21 (in 3 physical tracks) as LOGOS [1982] Virgin (GB) V 2257 [1983] Virgin/Victor (JP) [1982] Virgin/RTC (NZ) V 2257 VIL 6029 [1982] Virgin/Ariola (ES) [1983] Virgin/General Music I-205 230 (IL) BAN 2257 [1982] Virgin/Edison (PT) [1983] Virgin (MX) LA 532 612 605 [1983,1988] Virgin (DE) [1982] Virgin (CA) VL 3282 205 230-270 [1983] Virgin (AU) V 2257 [1986] Virgin (GB) OVED 167 [1983] Virgin (DE) 205 230-320 MC - Tracks 1+2+22+10-18,21 as LOGOS [1982] Virgin (GB) TCV 2257 [1983] Virgin (AU) VC 2257 [1982] Virgin/Ariola (ES) [1983] Virgin (DE) 405 230-352 D-405 230 [1983] Virgin (MX) CS 532 [1982] Virgin (CA) VL4 3282 [1986] Virgin (GB) OVEDC 167 CD (AAD) - Tracks 1+2+22+10-14(first 0:11),14(last 4:56)-18,21 (in 3 physical tracks) as LOGOS Physical track index points: 1 00:00 10 06:31 13 20:16 15 04:55 18 16:32 2 00:15 11 11:48 14 25:32 16 09:26 21 00:00 22 04:29 12 14:00 14 00:00 17 09:36 [1984] Virgin (FR,GB) CDV 2257 [1984] Virgin (JP) VDP-65 [1984] Virgin (DE) 610 381-225 CD (ADD) - Tracks 1+2+22+10-18,21 (in 2 physical tracks) as LOGOS Physical track index points: 1 00:00 10 06:31 13 20:16 16 35:10 21 00:00 2 00:15 11 11:48 14 25:32 17 35:20 22 04:29 12 14:00 15 30:39 18 42:16 [1994] Virgin (US) [1995] Virgin (GB) TAND 3 7243 8 39445 2 1 CDR (AAD) - Track 4 (preceeded by ? and followed by ?) as LOGOTYPES [19??] ???... (??) ???... (boot) _________________________________________________________________ Hi there -- you still with me? [[ begin 4 more points of discussion ]] 5 - Note below the string of tunes from 'Choronzon' through 'Logos-Blue.' Note above (Dominion Theatre show) the string of tunes from 'Choronzon' through 'Logos-Blue.' Did this part of 'Logotypes' come from the Dominion Theatre show or from 'The Soldier,' 'The Keep,' and elsewhere? (Are the references to 'The Keep' from Steve Feldman?) 6 - Also note above (Dominion show) the 26 minutes 'titled' '(unknown, unreleased)' -- added per Morgan's suggestion. Is this part of the show actually some of the early tracks on 'Logotypes?' -- like maybe tracks 1-7 below? Gee I wish I had 'Logotypes' so I wouldn't have to beg like this. Oh, by 'actually' I mean _from_the_Dominion_show_, not just the same material found on fantapes of the Dominion show. Of course, it has to be a 2-step process: 1st, what is the material (identification), and then 2nd, what are the actual running times of the actual tracks from the show. 7 - Due to its proximity to 'Logos-Velvet' is it totally absurd to wonder whether what I call 'Logos 1' is actually 'Harbor Entry?' 8 - If 'The Soldier' was never released, where do these names come from? 9 - What's the limit on the number of questions that can be asked in a single posting? [[ end 4 more points of discussion ]] LOGOTYPES 1 Infernal Device [3:08] 2 Hijack [3:22] (from THE SOLDIER) 3 Rush of Joy [5:10] 4 Mirage [2:37] 5 Desert Run [3:58] 6 Renewed Purpose [4:18] (from THE KEEP) 7 Dreamscape [6:13] 8 Choronzon [8:08] 9 Tangent [3:28] 10 Mojave Plan [4:48] (edit [due to tape problems] of 'Desert Part') 11 Harbor Entry [2:28] (also from THE SOLDIER) 12 Last Hope (aka: Logos-Velvet) [6:54] (also from THE SOLDIER) 13 The Keep: Dark Atmosphere (aka: Logos-Red) [1:50] 14 The Keep: Black Light (aka: Logos-Red) [4:08] 15 The Keep: Release (aka: Logos-Blue) [5:18] 16 Descent Into Madness [4:36] (also from THE KEEP) CDR (AAD) - [19??] ???... (??) ???... (boot) _________________________________________________________________ Converting tape deck counter readouts directly to running times It would be really convenient to have a method to directly convert two counter readouts to a running time as tape deck counters measure (parts of) revolutions and not time -- the counter 'runs' slower at the beginning of a tape and faster at the end. It occurs to me that all one would need to know is the total running time of the tape (measured, not what's printed on the tape) and the end count (assuming the counter is zeroed when the tape is fully rewound). What is _not_ needed is the length of the tape in meters (inches, feet, etc.), or how fast your deck actually runs, or how big the reels in the cassette are (diameter that is), or how thick the tape is. I've been working on the derivation of an equation but thought I'd ask if anyone already has such an equation? Conversely, if I go through the calculus required to derive the formula (pretty elemental I know, but it's been a long time), would anyone else like it? Cheers -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5780 Re: Logos Details ( Warning: Long Anal Probe ) John Christian Wed 7/9/1997 3 KB 5789 Re: Logos Details ( Warning: Long Anal Probe ) feldon@p... Wed 7/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 7:46 am Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: MCINTYRE@p... > >Really-From: Hammer1612@a... > > > OK--here is the straight poop on the 1977 tour. This is straight > > from the Official Tour merchandise made available from Virgin: > > > Spring Tour--March 29 - April 26, 1977: > > > 3/30 Detroit Ford Auditorium > > I think this show was March 31, but memories that old could easily be > wrong. If I can find my ticket stub I'll post the real date. My records say March 31st also. I think Mike may have made a typo. > > Summer Tour--Originally Scheduled July 9-August 7, 1977: > > > 8/6 Meadowbrook Pine Knob > > Both Meadowbrook and Pine Knob are venues that are generally > considered to be Detroit. The August 1977 show was scheduled for > Pine Knob. They did play Meadowbrook on the Haslinger tour (was that > 1986?) ... Gee, John. I do have _a_ Meadowbrook in 1986 but, well, see for yourself... MEADOWBROOK MUSIC FESTIVAL, ROCHESTER, NEW YORK [Mon, 23 Jun 86] - EF/CF/PH I don't have a venue in Michigan in 1986. Are you sure? > ... and Pine Knob for the tour that Andy Summers opened (was that > 1988?). ... I do have that venue: PINE KNOB MUSIC THEATER, DETROIT [Wed, 31 Aug 88] - EF/PH/RW > ... Meadowbrook was just about completely full, ... Sounds like you were there! Since I have Meadowbrook as being a venue in Rochester, NY, perhaps my wires are crossed. Can you give me the full name of the venue and the date of the concert? > ... but Pine Knob was one of the smallest crowds I've ever seen there. Thanks for the info, John. Regards -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 7:57 am Subject: Re: TD ON TV copies for Bogdan, Marcel and Mike was: several messages Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > > ... Color is not compatible with NTSC either, since in order to > reject color drift caused by channel fluctuations, PAL does 180º > phase inverison every line; and, to get the color of a certain > line, two consecutive lines are added after inverting one of them > (180º phase shift). Since color is coded as a phase change, a > drift caused by the channel is cancelled when adding two lines that > way ( assuming changes on the channel are slow compared with the > time lag between consecutive lines ). That was a very good explanation, Francisco. 'NTSC' (used) to be jokingly called Never Twice the Same Color, but with today's electronics, the 8 cycles of the color burst oscillator that are broadcast at the beginning of each line is all that is needed to handle this drift. Also, line 21 (during vertical blanking) contains an entire line's worth of this oscillator at high amplitude levels further enhancing the TV's ability to track the color (I think this is called the VIR signal and was added about 20 years ago). When converting PAL to NTSC, it's this color burst that's usually poorly replicated in the copy (due to shoddy work or poor equipment used in the conversion). Ciao -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re[2]: Amorphous Androgenous = FSOL Really-From: aaron.collett@c... I was not aware that they had a first album before LIFEFORMS. You aren't referring to TALES OF EPHEDRINA by Amorphous Androgenous, are you? Talking of Amorphous Androgynous, (a band name that I always like to quote when people ask what music I listen to..) is there any news on the 'Environments' album pictured on the Lifeforms insert? If you havent got Accelerator already I wouldn't bust too many vessels trying to get a copy. Other than the epic Papua New Guinea it really is tosh. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Amorphous Androgenous = FSOL Author: at internet Date: 08/07/97 16:53 Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > >Subject: FSOL (again) > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > >Date: Tue, 08 Jul 97 14:55:04 GMT > >Really-From: aaron.collett@c... > > > > FSOL are a great band. The first album is crap, but Lifeforms is > > surely one of the greatest electronic music albums ever made. > > I was not aware that they had a first album before LIFEFORMS. You > aren't referring to TALES OF EPHEDRINA by Amorphous Androgenous, are > you? No, I think he means _Accelerator_, bascially a compilation of the singles and EPs FSOL did in the early '90s. VERY dancefloor-oriented. > > Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 9:05 am Subject: Re: Logos Details ( Warning: Long Anal Probe ) Really-From: John Christian Previously on !tadream, tadream mailing list said: >and that his 'break point' at 5:15 is during a bridge, I've decided that >the bridge on the album _must_ be a studio creation (track 22, below) >since it is highly implausible that TD would start a bridge in set 1 and >then continue it in set 2, eh? To accommodate the _real_ bridge in the >concert, I've put in a 46 second bridge at the 5:15 point, but without >the fantape, this is pure conjecture on my part (though it does match >the information Morgan gave). No, the breakpoint IS in the middle of a bridge. It's a very neat edit, but it's just cut from one bridge to another later on. The 'out' part is certainly exactly as Logos (that point on a live tape is a very pleasant shock, as it doesn't go the way you expect) and I'm pretty sure the 'in' part is unchanged too, but as it's less obvious I'd have to listen back to both to be 100% sure. There's only one obvious studio made part - or at least heavily redone/worked/mixed - but I can't find my copy of Logos to point you at the timings. I'm sure someone will. The original live version has a simple twee medlody line which was removed, maybe that's the difference to the test pressing i.e. nobody liked that bit. Oh yes...re the afternoon show. Where did this info come from? I don't remember 2 shows on the tour dates, and I've never seen any indication on fantape lists, VITD, anywhere. This would explain why you got no feedback! Anyway, if it happened it would be identical as all of the shows (AFAIK) were mim^H^H^Hplayed identically. JC -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 9:42 am Subject: Grant's music Really-From: ashok prema Sorry about putting this subject on the Digest - but my messages to Grant off-line keep getting rejected. Grant - impressive tape ! - contact me off-line and I'll re-send the message again. Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5784 Re: Grant's music Mark Filipak Wed 7/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 10:49 am Subject: Re: TD ON TV copies for Bogdan, Marcel and Mike was: several messages Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Really-From: Mark Filipak >That was a very good explanation, Francisco. 'NTSC' (used) to be >jokingly called Never Twice the Same Color... Mark, I thought it stands for 'Never The Same Color'. But someone told me that the problem was fixed because the japanese also used that NTSC format. Grin ;-), Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 12:55 pm Subject: Re: TD ON TV copies for Bogdan, Marcel and Mike was: several messages Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >That was a very good explanation, Francisco. 'NTSC' (used) to be > >jokingly called Never Twice the Same Color... > > Mark, I thought it stands for 'Never The Same Color'. Same, same. I've heard it both ways, but Never Twice the Same Color makes more sense to me. > But someone told me that the problem was fixed because the japanese > also used that NTSC format. > > Grin ;-), Jens Yaknow? This is a subject dear to my heart (but I'll be brief... ha!) I studied and experimented with NTSC and PAL and SECAM quite a bit when I worked for Atrai. The research that went into color perception for NTSC and the use of bandwidth was truely genius -- and this was all done in the 20s! In the 40s - 70s, PAL had the advantage, but with today's electronics, the bandwidth wasted by PAL's color duplication (well described by Francisco) is a big _disadvantage_. PAL does have the advantage of more lines though, but that's going to go away soon anyways. SECAM is quite cleaver but requires long delays (analog memory) or today, digital memory. -- Mark (bet you thought I was going to write a bunch, eh?) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 1:00 pm Subject: Re: Grant's music Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: ashok prema > > Sorry about putting this subject on the Digest - but my messages to > Grant off-line keep getting rejected. > > Grant - impressive tape ! - contact me off-line and I'll re-send the > message again. Yes indeed! It is a very nice tape -- talented boy! But not only has Grant's email address changed with his change of jobs, but Craig tells me Grant has the chicken pox and is quite ill. 8-( I sent him a get well (...better) card. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 2:27 pm Subject: Re: Pink Oz or Wizard of Floyd (sorry, not much TD in here) Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-07-09 03:53:54 EDT, you write: << Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: aaron.collett@c... > > Pink Floyd DSOTM - Wizard of Oz? > > What, explain, I'm a little lost!!! > > Apparently, someone discovered that if you watch the Wizard of Oz while >listening to DSOTM, the music seems to fit. Just start the CD right after >the MGM lion roars the third time and watch. I think we've talked about >this before on the list... Maybe you weren't present at the time. (or >maybe I'm smoking butterflies :-) ) Yes, I posted a rather lengthy 'thang' on this subject about a month ago...including the original AP article that should explain this completely for you. I won't bore the rest of the list with a re-post, but I will E-Mail it to you privately, Arron (and anyone else that asks for it)! >On another note, I saw in a local Best Buy ad that they were advertising >DSOTM and WoO together, on sale! (not together in one package, mind you, > but together on the ad) >> Also interesting, all over the country (including my home town) movie theaters are having midnight shows where they are doing the 'Pink Oz' experiment. Regards, Graf Zeigen NP: This Is Space: The Space Daze Trilogy - A four CD box set (the 4th is a free bonus CD of ambient music by ob1) that includes over 240 min. of music by everyone that has ever done 'space music' known to man...and aliens! Includes FSOL, TD, The Orb, Hawkwind, KS, Ozric T., and many, many others. Would post a complete discography and review of this if anyone is interested! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5792 Re: Pink Oz or Wizard of Floyd (sorry, not much T MCINTYRE@p... Wed 7/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 2:53 pm Subject: PN~Re: Baumans and Tygers and Parcs, oh my! Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-07 09:56:17 EDT, you write: << Do you realize that Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon is selling in huge numbers again thanks to the Wizard of Oz soundtrack connection? Well... There must be SOME movie that a TD album will fit (Babylon 5, Sorceror, Risky Business etc. are exempt!) >> Try 'Plan 9 From Outer Space' and 'Atem' Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5794 Re: PN~Re: Baumans and Tygers and Parcs, oh my! GrafZeigen@a... Wed 7/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 2:53 pm Subject: PN~Re: live?? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-07 14:34:18 EDT, you write: << > When playing live I think you could (and should) play a little different > (using other sonds, extend the tracks, perhaps adding a new bass line This was a common method at the earlier years. Today's TD chose the overplaying method because the needs are different than in the 70s and 80s. You have to sound perfect - this is the preference and your production will be ignored if you can't satisfy this. GG >> This philosophy of performance is really a shame for someone who likes to hear the irregularities of live spontinaety. The risk is obvious, however; every so often, or more, one is likely to hear a 'sick as a dog' performance for one reason or another. This _could_ be interesting but who would knowingly buy into this? No one I know. The above discription, though, seems only barely removed from a taped performance, although I'm sure the dynamics is/are different. Many, many years ago I remember Todd Rundgren getting booed off the stage in Chicago, when he did a solo concert with a taped background track. I wasn't there myself, but I remember reading the scathing review in the paper the next day. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5799 Re: PN~Re: live?? Pixel Thu 7/10/1997 2 KB 5800 Re: PN~Re: live?? Pixel Thu 7/10/1997 2 KB 5803 Re: PN~Re: live?? Alexander Bjelke Thu 7/10/1997 3 KB 5822 Re: PN~Re: live?? Pixel Thu 7/10/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 2:53 pm Subject: PN~Re: Never say 'Never'? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-07 10:05:44 EDT, you write: << << Want a bet? There are loads of TD sound-a-likes out there. It depends which era you're talking about. For instance, I defy you to tell the difference between TD's 'Rubycon' and Redshift's 'Redshift'. >> sure theres alot of sound-a-likes out there...i believe they are all wannabes however...i will track down redshift though and give it a whirl...why would an artist want to sound like someone else anyway? tom w >> It's all relative anyway. Some very well intentioned recommendations from this list have led me to some music which _I_ think sound as distant from TD as vanilla ice cream is from vomit. The beauty of TD is that we all get significantly different buttons pushed by this music. Other music may push similar buttons but certainly not so many peoples' buttons, or so many _different_ buttons, for that matter. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 3:16 pm Subject: Re: Logos Details ( Warning: Long Anal Probe ) Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: John Christian > >There's only one obvious studio made part - or at least heavily >redone/worked/mixed - but I can't find my copy of Logos to point you at >the timings. I'm sure someone will. The original live version has a >simple twee medlody line which was removed, maybe that's the difference >to the test pressing i.e. nobody liked that bit. Are you talking about the guitar-ish part during Set Two after Mojave Plan? Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 3:16 pm Subject: Re: Logos Details (Sickeningly detailed) Really-From: feldon@p... Proctologist's Vanity Plate: ASSMAN >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >> Really-From: feldon@p... >> [...] >> Logotypes is not from a concert. It is from a rehearsal ... >> >> The standard material consists of what they played on the official >> Logos release, plus about 26 minutes of unreleased stuff appearing >> on Logotypes, and Dominion. > >But you just said 'Logotypes' is from a rehearsal !! Am I confused (?) I mean the same music, not the actual recording. Logotypes contains almost the same exact music as that which is missing from the OFFICIAL Logos release. >> In addition, Rarebird , 3 minutes of Tangent, Mojave Plan, Chorozon >> (Exit), and Midnight in Tula (White Eagle), White Eagle, and >> snippets of The Soldier soundtrack during various concerts of >> 1982. Rumor has it that an early version of Horizon (Poland) was >> also played... > >You say you have a fantape of the Dominion show -- aren't you sure what >was played? 3 minutes of Tangent, Mojave Plan, Chorozon, Midnight in Tula, White Eagle, and snippets of The Soldier soundtrack were played during the DOMINION show. Rarebird, an early version of Horizon and various above elements were played during OTHER 1982 shows, depending on EF's mood :) >I guess that if what Morgan says about 'Logotypes' is correct, >these unknown running times _cannot_ be figured out by listening to >'Logotypes' as that is from a rehearsal and not from the actual show. >So what I'm asking for are the running times from a fantape of the show >if one exists (isn't that what _you_ were listing, Morgan? -- could you >list the running times too?). I have an *almost* complete fantape of the show. But guess what! My recording appears to have been done by high-speed dubbing or some crap like that because it is played SLOWER than the actual concert! So until I get a copy of Logotypes and edit together a 2CD of the Logos concert (for my own use, sorry guys), I won't be able to give track times. However someone told me that Logotypes is recorded in such a way that it's very obvious where its 'pieces' should be grafted with the official Logos recording... >4 - Note that since Morgan wrote that the show started with: > >> Official Logos 0:00-5:15 > >and then as part of set 2: > >> Official Logos 5:16-42?? > >and that his 'break point' at 5:15 is during a bridge, I've decided that >the bridge on the album _must_ be a studio creation (track 22, below) Nope. The bridge on the album is an excellent crossfade. From my ears, TD got very lucky in that they are playing essentially the same sounds at 5:15 and again in the second set after they've played Mojave Plan.. >since it is highly implausible that TD would start a bridge in set 1 and >then continue it in set 2, eh? To accommodate the _real_ bridge in the >concert, I've put in a 46 second bridge at the 5:15 point, but without >the fantape, this is pure conjecture on my part (though it does match >the information Morgan gave). Actually, I think the bridge was shortened between 5:15 of set one and the end of Mojave Plan in set two. Then of course the music gets started. Unfortunately, my fantape of Logos is hideously edited at the beginning of set two. My Set Two starts about 2-3 minutes after Mojave Plan, so I have no way of knowing times and details. Rumor has it, this is one hell of good remix of Mojave Plan, but I won't know that until I get Logotypes (which contains the last 5-7 minutes of it-- not the whole song--but using the one from the original White Eagle release, could edit something together) >_________________________________________________________________ > >DOMINION THEATRE, LONDON [6 Nov 82] (afternoon show) - EF/CF/JS > >(I got nada for this.) >_________________________________________________________________ Wow, that's a lotta detail. >5 - Note below the string of tunes from 'Choronzon' through >'Logos-Blue.' Note above (Dominion Theatre show) the string of tunes >from 'Choronzon' through 'Logos-Blue.' Did this part of 'Logotypes' >come from the Dominion Theatre show or from 'The Soldier,' 'The Keep,' >and elsewhere? (Are the references to 'The Keep' from Steve Feldman?) I don't know about the Keep stuff, but The Soldier stuff is played during that time frame of 5:15 - end of set one (obviously, it's played before Tangent and either before or after Chorozon) >6 - Also note above (Dominion show) the 26 minutes 'titled' '(unknown, >unreleased)' -- added per Morgan's suggestion. It's just a matter of me listening to Logotypes and verifying that it has every element from the concert... Also, I have a feeling that a few of those tracks on Logotypes are from other concerts on the 1982 tour...who knows until I sit down and listen and compare Logotypes with my fantape of the show (which has a perfect First Set, by the way). >8 - If 'The Soldier' was never released, where do these names come from? Could be the name of a Chapter Stop on the laserdisc...or a very appropriate name for the scene where that music is used... >LOGOTYPES Wow, I can finally say I've laid my eyes on the trackography of Logotypes! I am getting a cassete tape copy of it. Since I know the Logos First Set by heart, I should be able to tell you what the tracks on the Logotypes disc correspond to as far as the actual concert is concert (not the actualy recording, but the same exact music, IMO) To explain, I have already successfully mixed together the first 'set' of the Dominion show by using 0:00-5:15 of the Logos release and then the fantape for up until the end of Tangent. It worked surprisingly well and the only problem was the source material on my fantape is noisy, clippy, and is 4% slower than the original music so I had to digitally (in SoundForge) fiddle with the playback speed. I got it to work, thankfully, but only made 3 discs like this. A member of the list has one of these copies... Actually, I did a 3 page ANALysis of the Logos show for him (and now I've misplaced it, maybe he'll see this message and send it to me...) Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 3:13 pm Subject: TD on TV (VH-1): THE BIG NOTHING :(( Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Hi, out there ! I just watched the first recording of THE BOMB: TD on VH-1, actually VH-1: hoch 5: Tangerine Dream. It wasn´t a bomb - more justajoke :( It was: Tangerine Dream (Edgar and Gerome Froese - they mispelled Jeromes name) presenting their favourite (NON TD) video tracks. Arrgh, arrrgh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It contains not any 0.02 seconds of TD videos I want to watch :). They present mostly non EM-Music (1 single EM track was by 'deep forest'). What a disappointment ! Not worth the tape space in a few words: THE BIG NOTHING Now I´m waiting for 'The Comeback of TD' on the Vox channel scheduled for 18/7/97 0:10 pm GMT -1. Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5797 Re: TD on TV (VH-1): THE BIG NOTHING :(( Marcel Engels Thu 7/10/1997 2 KB 5804 Re: TD on TV (VH-1): THE BIG NOTHING :(( stephan bischoff Thu 7/10/1997 2 KB 5817 Re: TD on TV (VH-1): THE BIG NOTHING :(( stephan bischoff Thu 7/10/1997 4 KB 5827 Re: TD on TV (VH-1): THE BIG NOTHING :(( Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 7/11/1997 3 KB 5839 Re: TD on TV (VH-1) stephan bischoff Fri 7/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 3:33 pm Subject: Re: Pink Oz or Wizard of Floyd (sorry, not much TD in here) Really-From: MCINTYRE@p... >Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... >NP: This Is Space: The Space Daze Trilogy - A four CD box set (the 4th is a >free bonus CD of ambient music by ob1) that includes over 240 min. of music >by everyone that has ever done 'space music' known to man...and aliens! >Includes FSOL, TD, The Orb, Hawkwind, KS, Ozric T., and many, many others. > Would post a complete discography and review of this if anyone is >interested! A complete discography should point out that this is merely a repackaging of previously released material. By that I don't mean just that the individual tracks have been previously released: all the discs were previously released. The first two were called _Space Daze_ and marketed with a companion book. Then came _Space Daze 2000_, the third disc. The bonus ambient disc was marketed as _Dark Matter_. The only thing new about this set is the slipcover. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 9:23 pm Subject: Re: Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute... Really-From: anunes@m... This is what can be found at CD Now about Tangerine Ambience vol.2: Va-Tangerine Ambience Vol. 2 RUBICON/STRATOSPEAR/PHAEDRA WHITE EAGLE/TANGRAM/CLOUDBURST (sic) Category: ELECTRONIC COLLECTIONS HYPNOTIC 4115 48 2 $12.77 Expected Release Date: July 15, 1997. I bought TA Vol.1 just 2 weeks ago, based on some recommendations/reviews posted earlier on this list (thanks Mark Filipak and Morgan Marks), and I do like it a lot. I'll definitely order Vol.2. Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 4:02 pm Subject: Re: PN~Re: Baumans and Tygers and Parcs, oh my! Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-07-09 11:05:04 EDT, you write: << Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-07 09:56:17 EDT, you write: << Do you realize that Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon is selling in huge numbers again thanks to the Wizard of Oz soundtrack connection? Well... There must be SOME movie that a TD album will fit (Babylon 5, Sorceror, Risky Business etc. are exempt!) >> Try 'Plan 9 From Outer Space' and 'Atem' >> Well, this is the kind of response I was looking for with my Synchronicity long post last month! (Which included the whole 'Pink Oz' thing) I did receive one good response (from TangerineC...I think...correct me if I'm wrong - I've been known to do that, eh Lars?) Anyway, apparently Tangram goes very well with Fritz Lang's original Metropolis. I haven't tried it out myself yet, but I intend to soon! Cheers, Graf P.S.>D:list rarities - GREAT idea KLAUS!!! (The rest of my earlier post on this stands.) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 4:07 pm Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Really-From: Ken Alexander > Gee, John. I do have _a_ Meadowbrook in 1986 but, well, see for yourself... > MEADOWBROOK MUSIC FESTIVAL, ROCHESTER, NEW YORK [Mon, 23 Jun 86] - EF/CF/PH > I don't have a venue in Michigan in 1986. Are you sure? Meadowbrook is in Rochester *Michigan*, not New York! I am absolutely certain, because I was there at the 1986 concert. Both Meadowbrook and Pine Knob are outdoor amphitheaters outside of Detroit. > > ... and Pine Knob for the tour that Andy Summers opened (was that 1988?). > PINE KNOB MUSIC THEATER, DETROIT [Wed, 31 Aug 88] - EF/PH/RW Pine Knob isn't in Detroit either; actually Meadowbrook is closer to Detroit than Pine Knob is. If you are going to call Pine Knob 'Detroit', then you should probably call Meadowbrook 'Detroit' also. The Meadowbrook concert was far superior to the Pine Knob concert. -Ken From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 5:00 pm Subject: Help Really-From: Michael Trinastic How does one unsubscribe from this list? I have tried several times, using the instructions in the welcome message from majordomo, but I always just get a reply message full of garbage. . . . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16311 Help Carl & Jacqui Kearney Tue 5/11/1999 1 KB 16316 Re: Help Shadow Tue 5/11/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 5:09 pm Subject: Re: TD on TV (VH-1): THE BIG NOTHING :(( Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > Now I´m waiting for 'The Comeback of TD' on the Vox channel scheduled for > 18/7/97 0:10 pm GMT -1. > Ah, that's a shame about VH1. Let's pray Vox is better. PS: Don't worry about the unreleased stuff, Jens! Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... (still haven't got the damn scanner) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 5:57 pm Subject: Non TD: Digital TV Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > >That was a very good explanation, Francisco. 'NTSC' (used) to be > > >jokingly called Never Twice the Same Color... > > > > Mark, I thought it stands for 'Never The Same Color'. > > Same, same. I've heard it both ways, but Never Twice the Same Color > makes more sense to me. > > > But someone told me that the problem was fixed because the japanese > > also used that NTSC format. > > > > Grin ;-), Jens > > Yaknow? This is a subject dear to my heart (but I'll be brief... ha!) > > [comparing NTSC with PAL and SECAM stuff] ... > -- Mark (bet you thought I was going to write a bunch, eh?) Yes, you got it, Mark ;-) BTW: PAL was invented by a guy living in Hannover - my hometown for 26 years. The company was known as 'TELEFUNKEN' and is worth about 0.02 $ now :-( Sony and others did it better the last years ! PS: I´m waiting for one new digital TV format. Not one for the USA, one for Europe and one for the rest of the world invented by asians (know what I mean ?). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5801 Re: Non TD: Digital TV Mark Filipak Wed 7/9/1997 2 KB 5811 Re: Non TD: Digital TV feldon@p... Thu 7/10/1997 4 KB 5841 Re: Non TD: Digital TV Erik Sanborn Fri 7/11/1997 4 KB 5852 Re: Non TD: Digital TV Mark Filipak Fri 7/11/1997 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 5:12 am Subject: Re: PN~Re: live?? Really-From: Pixel > 80s. You have to sound perfect - this is the preference and your > production will be ignored if you can't satisfy this. > > GG >> > > This philosophy of performance is really a shame for someone who > likes to hear the irregularities of live spontinaety. No. No shame. I _really like these irregularities. But irregularities and perfection are not necessary exclusive things. This is the experiment what TD does nowadays. If I were Edgar I probably do this experiment on an other way. But you can't force an indivual, an artist to do the things forever on the way you were get used to before. It would be boring, or not? GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 5:16 am Subject: Re: PN~Re: live?? Really-From: Pixel > 80s. You have to sound perfect - this is the preference and your > production will be ignored if you can't satisfy this. > > GG >> > > This philosophy of performance is really a shame for someone who > likes to hear the irregularities of live spontinaety. No. No shame. I _really like these irregularities. But irregularities and perfection are not necessary exclusive things. This is the experiment what TD does nowadays. If I were Edgar I probably do this experiment on an other way. But you can't force an indivual, an artist to do the things forever on the way you were get used to before. It would be boring, or not? GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 8:19 pm Subject: Re: Non TD: Digital TV Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > [...] > I´m waiting for one new digital TV format. Not one for the USA, one > for Europe and one for the rest of the world invented by asians (know > what I mean ?). Um, no! I don't know what you mean. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 8:17 pm Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Ken Alexander > > > Mark Filipak (me) wrote: > > > > MEADOWBROOK MUSIC FESTIVAL, ROCHESTER, NEW YORK [Mon, 23 Jun 86] > > - EF/CF/PH > > Meadowbrook is in Rochester *Michigan*, not New York! > I am absolutely certain, because I was there at the 1986 concert. > Both Meadowbrook and Pine Knob are outdoor amphitheaters outside of > Detroit. Yaknow. The first time a saw this I said to myself 'Rochester, NY? Naw?' but kept it that way for lack of better info. So Rochester is a town outside Detroit, eh? I like to handle these the way our European friends do -- how's this look Ken? MEADOWBROOK AMPHITHEATER, ROCHESTER/DETROIT [Mon, 23 Jun 86] - EF/CF/PH > > PINE KNOB MUSIC THEATER, DETROIT [Wed, 31 Aug 88] - EF/PH/RW > > Pine Knob isn't in Detroit either; actually Meadowbrook is closer to > Detroit than Pine Knob is. If you are going to call Pine Knob > 'Detroit', then you should probably call Meadowbrook 'Detroit' also. So, what town is the Pine Knob Music Theater in. I'll treat it the same way I did Meadowbrook. Thanks Ken! -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 8:59 pm Subject: Re: PN~Re: live?? Really-From: Alexander Bjelke tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Pixel > > > 80s. You have to sound perfect - this is the preference and your > > production will be ignored if you can't satisfy this. > > > > GG >> > > > > This philosophy of performance is really a shame for someone who > > likes to hear the irregularities of live spontinaety. > > No. No shame. I _really like these irregularities. But irregularities > and perfection are not necessary exclusive things. This is the > experiment what TD does nowadays. If I were Edgar I probably do this > experiment on an other way. But you can't force an indivual, an artist > to do the things forever on the way you were get used to before. It > would be boring, or not? > > GG What really is boring is when you cant hear the difference between a track played 'live' and the album version. When I am paying money for an concert I expect something else than what I hear home. Does these 'harmonies' really add something to the music (along with thousands of other layers..)?? At a concert you dont listen like you do at home. I want the 'live' sound to be more dynamic, powerfull and perhaps a little improvisation. TD must be really bound when playing along with pre-recorded material. Alexander From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 8:57 pm Subject: Re: TD on TV (VH-1): THE BIG NOTHING :(( Really-From: stephan bischoff >What a disappointment ! Not worth the tape space in a few words: >THE BIG NOTHING Indeed. This was crap. >Now I´m waiting for 'The Comeback of TD' on the Vox channel scheduled for >18/7/97 0:10 pm GMT -1. I assume it's a re-run of the RTL+ feature shown in June. Isn't RTL+ and VOX somehow connected? Hoping to see sometimes better videos from TD on TV, Stephan np: Tournado From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 1:08 am Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Really-From: Doug Pearson tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: Ken Alexander > > > > > Mark Filipak (me) wrote: > > > > > > MEADOWBROOK MUSIC FESTIVAL, ROCHESTER, NEW YORK [Mon, 23 Jun 86] > > > - EF/CF/PH > > > > Meadowbrook is in Rochester *Michigan*, not New York! > > I am absolutely certain, because I was there at the 1986 concert. > > Both Meadowbrook and Pine Knob are outdoor amphitheaters outside of > > Detroit. > > Yaknow. The first time a saw this I said to myself 'Rochester, NY? > Naw?' but kept it that way for lack of better info. So Rochester is a > town outside Detroit, eh? I like to handle these the way our European > friends do -- how's this look Ken? > > MEADOWBROOK AMPHITHEATER, ROCHESTER/DETROIT [Mon, 23 Jun 86] - EF/CF/PH > > > > PINE KNOB MUSIC THEATER, DETROIT [Wed, 31 Aug 88] - EF/PH/RW > > > > Pine Knob isn't in Detroit either; actually Meadowbrook is closer to > > Detroit than Pine Knob is. If you are going to call Pine Knob > > 'Detroit', then you should probably call Meadowbrook 'Detroit' also. > > So, what town is the Pine Knob Music Theater in. I'll treat it the same > way I did Meadowbrook. > > Thanks Ken! -- Mark Clarkston, Michigan. But it's not really in town at all. It's quite a nice place. Check it out at http://www.pineknobmusic.com -dep- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 1:36 am Subject: TD mix question & comments Really-From: RooneyR@a... I'm a long time Digest subscriber and TD fan; first message to the group. On one of the recent Digests, someone said that there was a 2 CD 'Dream Mixes' set. Import perhaps? How can I get a copy? I'm one of those who likes the 'Dream Mixes' CD. Also, amidst all the conversation about TD, I haven't seen any reference to the different sounding mix that was used on both '220v Live' and on 'Turn of the Tides', noticeably different than all the other recent CDs. The mixes are decidely bassier and 'thinner' in a strange way than all the Private Music CDs, Tyranny, and Goblin's Club. Anyone know why? And, I'll just throw in my 2 cents... I'm going to miss Linda. 'Death of a Nightingale' was one of the best tracks TD's ever done. (Plus watching her play on the last US concert tour wasn't bad either!) And, yes, I think Goblin's Club is terrific. See Edgar, there are some of us who like where you're going and what you're doing! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5818 Re: TD mix question & comments Mark Filipak Thu 7/10/1997 6 KB 5840 Re: TD mix question & comments stephan bischoff Fri 7/11/1997 2 KB 5824 Re: TD mix question & comments R.A.Seed Fri 7/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 1:54 am Subject: I finally made it back to the list - hello everyone Really-From: 'Jonathan Sands' Hi to all, My name is Kim and I used to be on Tadream, oh, jeez, must've been about 4 or 5 years ago while I was in college (has it really been that long??). That was a good group & it looks like those of you that are around today are going to be just as interesting :) Anyway, a little backgound on me - I've been a TD fan for almost 10 years now if I'm remembering right.... it was the first time I'd seen the movie 'Legend' on TV & the music just struck me, I just *had* to have that soundtrack!! Since then, I've picked up several tapes, CD's and one or two albums (yup, real vinyl) but don't have nearly everything....yet ;) A friend in college was also a TD fanatic & got me onto Tadream, and it was great fun! Made a few friends, exchanged some music, had lots of discussions, but then came graduation & I had to leave :( After much provider-hopping, I've finally found one I'm satisfied with & managed to seek-out one of my favorite discussion groups from back then (the other being Star Trek - anyone know if Strek-L is still running??). Anyway, I'm back, I'm content, let the fun begin :) Don't ya just looove happy endings?? ;) ** The God-Empress of Dune ps - I've been trying to track down a friend of mine from my prior days on Tadream, his name is Steve Avery. Anybody know if he's still on the list and/or how I might find him?? Internet searches have turned up nada so far. Any info is appreciated. Thanks! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 2:24 am Subject: Voices in the Dunes For Sale Really-From: Robert Grabowsky I have a friend who has a copy of Voices in the Dunes he would like to sell.It is the soft cover version and the asking price is $125.00 US. If anyone is interested please contact me off list.My email address is as follows: HGHLNDR@w... Thanks for your time, Robert Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5868 Re: Voices in the Dunes For Sale PhilPDX@a... Sat 7/12/1997 2 KB 5874 Re: Voices in the Dunes For Sale feldon@p... Sun 7/13/1997 2 KB 5881 Re: Voices in the Dunes For Sale Robert Grabowsky Sun 7/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 3:17 am Subject: Re: Ambience II, gripes, and a tribute the band could be proud of Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: John Christian > > > >Would it be beyond reason for YOU guys to get together, and hammer out a > >TD tribute album the band (and the rest of us) could indeed be proud of? > > Sorry I didn't answer this sooner...I tried but every time it came out > sounding a bit sniffy. If it does this time please don't take it as > such: It's not a dumb idea. And thanks for the compilement. > > I don't think a tribute album that the band appreciates is possible. > Edgar especially seems pretty dismissive of anything he considers > derivative. I guess this would count. My principal objection to the first Tangerine Ambience album was that most of it sounded, well, REALLY amateurish. I was expecting something much more polished and professional. > I'm also not keen on the idea of doing anything like a remix or > reworking of a TD track. It's not as interesting as creating something > new, and I don't think I'd be very good at it. If that's not what the > idea was, and it would be new 'influenced' music then it's just a > Network 388 pt 2. - not a bad idea but not very controversial! [Damn > that reminds me, Jeff are you still here?]. Aw, c'mon! Haven't you ever wanted to do a Tribal Trance Mix of 'Network 23' A full-out 70s disco version of 'Choronzon' complete with Bee Gees samples? (Gabe looks over his shoulder at the men in white approaching him) > > Anyway, given that TD pretty much invented the 'long melodic improvised > sequencer thang' medium we're working in, everything we do is a tribute > to them. So you gonna buy Europa now? ;)) I'd love to be able to sample the albums produced by the people I mentioned before. That's not easy when you're not earning money. > JC > -- > John Christian real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 3:18 am Subject: re:a list rarity? Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Subject: Re: a list rarity? >Really-From: m.schaffer@i... >The saga continues.......... ... and yet again Mark, I hope the comments below don't sound like flames since my intentions are for a productive dialogue and not a flame war. > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >> --> My point is only driven by 1) my personal desire to hear more >> unreleased stuff legitimately released >Does this mean stuff completely unreleased, or stuff that's only available via the shadier channels? :) --> usually 'released' means officially released and given the syntax of the sentence and the contrapposition with 'legitimate' ... if it still seems confusing, then I'll rephrase it: my *personal* preference is to hear material that is not readily available so this, IMO, gives a lower preference to boots (but not super rare releases like alien air music...)-- which (without wishing to restart a flame war) are fairly available... If that's still confusing, I want to hear Edgar release music that is not sitting on my shelf (including boots and legit releases). Again, this is MY OWN preference; if the listmembers decide we want to ask Edgar for an official release of, say, Live Improvised, so be it. I will go along with the majority. >> Tournado -- with no new material (aside from the drum solo) how many people >> are NOT rushing to buy it? >Do the contents actually matter? I remember the same furore over GC last year. >The fans slavishly went out and bought it soon after release. --> your point is what? You imply the fans are a bunch of mindless zombies who will consume whatever Edgar puts out. I am/will but I disagree completely that this is an accurate view for the majority. I'd say less than 25% of this list even comes close to slavishness and there are probably still plenty listees who don't yet own GC. If we decide to ask Edgar to release a limited edition CD for us, I think we can't count on more that 25% of the members of this list buying a copy... (that's about 100 copies). If the same figures hold true for KLEM, that is about 400; throw in another 200 from the official web page and other sources and that is only 700. If we are going to justify the cost/profit of this venture to Edgar, we are going to have to make sure we can sell more than 700 copies; I'd guess we have to guarantee about 1,200 just to break even. That means we have to appeal to about 500-1,300 more fans (if it is a limited release of 2k copies). As Klaus said, we need to make sure the initial venture will be successful if we hope for anything else in the future. >> Besides there is a lot of white eagle on the logos tour and that's >> already been released too. >At the risk of wanting to squeeze every last drop out of the tours, that >still leaves stuff unavailable (except on boots) from that tour. >And it's no rubbish, either. --> granted but I personally still believe we need to appeal to the widest possible fan base so I'd like to see material from several tours/shows in several years. Also, once we start to include material that may have been legitimately released, we run into copyright issues big time. > --> again, the sales factor. Need I bring up Tangents and DRC here also? >Yes please; I have to admit that the point is lost on me. How can we >possibly begin to compare the sales of each of these with hypothetical sales >of sets which would have contained more rarities/unreleased studio & live -- well, first off, Tangents and DRC are official releases priced in the same range we might expect a limited edition set to cost; They both contain unreleased material and reworked material but which is available elsewhere in original form. They are also not releases widely owned on this list (that is, less than 200 people here probably own them but that just a guess). some people don't want to pay that much money, some people don't want reworked material they have elsewhere... there are as many reasons not buy as to buy... If official releases have sales problems among 'hard-core' fans, we can't assume that whatever CD we ask Edgar to release will be blindly and rapidly consumed by the fans. If this venture doesn't look like it will make money, if the sales aren't there; he probably is not going to be interested. >The advantage of targetting the fan base is that it's easier to get an idea >of potential sales figures - if, say, we could mobilise sufficiently to >guarantee (or as near as possible) a certain sales figure for a certain >retail price, that would surely be more persuasive than presenting >postulated general sales figures based on whether or not Mr & Mrs Ordinary >Record Buyer take a chance on it? --> this of course assumes that it is to be a general rather than a limited release. I'd vote for the limited release but that is not my decision. Also, I'd be hesitant to guarantee Edgar anything without some initial commitments/deposits. Who is going to assume financial liability? We shouldn't use 'guarantee' lightly. If most of the fans/listmembers decide to wait and see if it is worth buying (which is a distinct possibility) and the initial sales aren't there we risk pissing Edgar off and putting an end to what could be a nice relationship. >> I think this project needs to have as wide a scope/appeal as possible... >That would be nice, but for the reason I gave above, I can't help feeling >that that might actually _decrease_ the commercial viability of the project --> given the scope I presented (1974-84) and suggesting a limited release (1-2K copies) I think you are mis-reading 'wide scope/appeal' You clearly think it will be easy to sell 2,000 copies; I don't. I hope you're right. >> If we were to get only one show released, I'd hate for a big chunk of it >> to duplicate previously released material. >Again, are we talking about stuff that's on boots, or all new stuff? If the >latter, you can kiss goodbye to anything post 1980, since I believe that >there's a boot from every tour 1980-2, either extant or on its way. --> see my comments above. I **personally** think that duplicate material is going to lower the sales potential... you obviously disagree. There is no reason to flog the dead horse... let's move on to a more productive discussion and let the list decide. re: a disc of highlights of the 1980 tour >[...]is there >anyone on the list who wouldn't buy it? (other than people who don't like >that particular era.......) -- that, my friend, is the $80,000 dollar question and my point! just getting people to respond to the question on-line is tough. try generating enough responses guarantee anything to Edgar. OK people, prove me wrong, now's your chance! And let's put some money up front too, say a $20 deposit?? >> [...] is Edgar >> going to 'compete' (not the best choice of a word) with a 'released' boot? >Er, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't 'Dreaming On Danforth Avenue' >released _before_ 220V? Do you reckon it diminished sales of the latter? I >don't. There's always a market for legit releases - how many times have we -- agreed, but when talking about a limited edition release I think it changes things a little; I wouldn't pay a dime if Edgar released the DoDA concert legitimately (not likely to happen). Give Edgar the choice to release Live Improvised vs. another concert from that era, I'd be interested in his views. Maybe I'm totally wrong on this... Indeed, it is my understanding (perhaps incorrect) that when copyright restrictions/problems prevented Edgar from releasing the 1987 Berlin concert, he turned the soundboard tapes over to a bootlegger so they could be released that way. Read that however you choose; they still released Live Miles but didn't duplicate antarktis/20th CS (to any great extent). >> Besides, won't that lessen the sales appeal somewhat? >Lars, you're confusing me a bit as far as who's going to buy this is >concerned. The die-hard nutters willl buy anything, right? -- right; I'm just not convinced that there are 2,000 'die-hard nutters' around. Obviously not nutter enough to snap up all 2k of the Shepherd's Bush singles... Perhaps not enough to pay $40 a pop for a double CD of live unreleased material... BTW isn't Quinoa **STILL** available from Voiceprint? and there were what, only 1,000 copies of that made??? and how many people own multiple copies of it?? I'm just trying to be a little 'realistic' (in my own subjective and skewed manner) about potential sales... Ultimately, I think we can sell 1,500 - 2,000 copies of a limited edition release but I don't think it will be real easy. >Would you have vetoed Silver Scale's inclusion on Tangents? >There is, after all, a reasonable rendition on Brussels '80. -- Sigh, I have no idea what you mean here. Let's not descend into provocation and aim instead for 'dialogue'. Try rephrasing the question please. You've made some fine suggestions for a CD but, FYI, I don't veto anything, I'm just an interested grunt on this list who'd like to see us work with Edgar to put out some new (unreleased) material; sometimes someone has to play advocatus diaboli to motivate people to get involved in a discussion... I've only made a few suggestions (some parameters) but if the list decides it wants to ask Edgar to break wind for a double CD, I'll go along with the majority. >> One last question regarding cost. If this is really to be a list rarity >> (that is, a limited, numbered set of 1,000 - 2,000) are we willing to pay >> top dollar for it? -- like $40 for a double CD. Edgar is going to have to >> weigh his $$$$ return on a limited edition vs. the potential income on a >> general release. If we can convince to release a limited edition I suspect >> we are going to have to compensate him for it by paying top dollar. >I know we've flogged this following notion, but something like KS' mammoth >sets averages out at about, say, L10 per CD (so that's, what, $16.60?) >If we could stretch the bulk so that we could fill, say, maybe 4 CDs instead >of 2, we wouldn't be doubling some of the costs. I'd gladly pay L40 - gawd, >I'd pay L60 ( = $100!) - for 4 CDs of all new stuff. -- I'm up for anything although I'm concerned that the higher the price the less accessible it will be to the average fan... but maybe that's just me... Lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5821 Re: a list rarity? John Christian Thu 7/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 4:07 am Subject: Re: Non TD: Digital TV Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >> [...] >> I´m waiting for one new digital TV format. Not one for the USA, one >> for Europe and one for the rest of the world invented by asians (know >> what I mean ?). > >Um, no! I don't know what you mean. -- Mark Let's face it, Mark, we are technological idiots compared to the Japanese. They should come up with the new digital video standard. Also, I fear that Digital TV will suffer the same problems that plague DVD and RCA DSS Satellite. They are both highly MPEG-1, 1/2, and 2 compressed. *MPEG* Compression of video means you lose quality... Yes, the image is nice. Instead of 640x480 (or 720x480) for NTSC; and 640x726 for PAL, they want to switch to 2048x1024. Well, this is really nice to look at, but here's the problem. 640x480 and 640x726 each take approximately 26 megabytes per second (PAL is 25 frames per second, which compensates)... With almost loss-less compression (JPEG), that can be brought down to about 5 1/2 megabytes per second. This is well-handled by a good $4000 computer with video capture components. However, when you start talking about throwing around 2048x1024 at 30 frames per second, you are demanding a bandwidth in excess of 171 megabytes per second. Does this send up any red flags for people? There is no way that we will see almost-perfect JPEG compression to bring 171 megabytes down to 8-10 megabytes per second (this is the maximum throughput which can be practically handled by a Pentium-based computer costing less than $10,000. At most JPEG could bring down the size to about 38 megabytes per second. The fastest video cards and computer systems (for less than $50,000) are limited to about 15 megabytes per second... So what's going to happen is, Digital TV will be compressed with a lossy compression scheme (MPEG) which makes a *noticable* degradation of the image. So Digital TV will be crippled from the very beginning. Anyway, just a bit of miscellaneous rambling... Morgan Back to our regularly scheduled Tangerine Dream program. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 4:21 am Subject: re:The Melthuza Quintarian Super-duper Whiz-bang Fan Disc Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >Mark, >I hope the comments below don't sound like flames since my intentions are >for a productive dialogue and not a flame war. > >You imply the fans are a bunch of mindless zombies >who will consume whatever Edgar puts out. I am/will but I disagree >completely that this is an accurate view for the majority. If we decide to ask >Edgar to release a limited edition CD for us, I think we can't count on >more that 25% of the members of this list buying a copy... (that's about >100 copies). If we are going to justify the cost/profit of this venture to >Edgar, we are going to have to make sure we can sell more than 700 copies; I didn't know we were going to get Edgar's help in the production and release of this thing... I thought we were going to buy the rights to a master tape or two from Virgin and then see if Edgar wants to edit a disc or two worth of material together or does he just want to give us two master tapes of about 3-4 hours of material and let us figure it our ourselves... In this case, we would use fantapes to determine the best concert dates and then ask for those tapes... Am I completely out of my gourd here? I was under the impression we were going to buy the rights from Virgin and then talk to Edgar. Not the other way around... This could be strategically stupid, I don't know... Maybe I'm just flapping my lips and making noise here... Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5826 Re: The Melthuza Quintarian Super-duper Whiz-bang John Christian Thu 7/10/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 4:55 am Subject: re:Logos Details Update! Really-From: feldon@p... Well, obviously my brain has taken a little kaka. I have just sat down to listen to my fantape of the Logos concert and lo and behold, it contains all of Set Two from the very beginning of the set onward after all. First perception: A heavily remixed and re-tooled, but still recognizable Mojave Plan. Then after this, it quickly dies down to the beginning of the OFFICIAL Logos released stuff. It's clear to me that Edgar simply did a cross-fade from 5:15 of set One to the beginning of the bridge just moments after Mojave Plan fades away. No studio work or effort was involved. I am using the fantape as evidence of this claim... I can't emphasize how different this Mojave Plan is. Worth laying down to a CD, in my opinion... Some of it appears on Logotypes and this fantape isn't the cleanest in the world. Also, it's at 95% normal speed or so. (My source says his master tape also has this speed problem...) Not to be confused with the fact that Dominion was played as an encore until 1986 and it just got faster and faster as years went by... Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 6:35 am Subject: Klemania Really-From: TangerineC@a... I once heard on this list that there were different versions of this album on cd. Is the music different or just the covers? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6109 Re: Klemania Vic Rek Thu 7/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 6:45 am Subject: Edgar Froese and Christopher Franke Really-From: TangerineC@a... I'm listening to Chris Franke's Klemania, and I have to say that if Edgar and Chris stuck together, TD would be constantly putting out top notch material. It's a shame really. Oh, well it looks like i'll always yearn for the older days of TD. Hopefully the future looks brighter for todays TD. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5828 Re: Edgar Froese and Christopher Franke Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 7/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 7:31 am Subject: re:Logos Notes Revisited Really-From: feldon@p... I don't have exact time indexes (I'll figure them out tomorrow), but part of my recording of Logos during previously released material is quite a bit different from the official release. The music on the other side of this tape and the other tape (containing set one and soundcheck- which was all Midnight in Tula, mind you) are quite a bit slower... Maybe from a different show. So here I am listening to this music on this side, which is considerably jazzy compared to the released stuff (this music is around the 35:00-39:00 minute mark, by the way). And then there's a huge break in the recording and I tell you, it's either a different tape of the same show or a different show! Something's fishy here. I need a time machine and a decent tape recorder! Morgan P.S. Yes, I have no life. I am completely consumed by the mystery of the Logos concert. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 4:00 pm Subject: Re: TD on TV (VH-1): THE BIG NOTHING :(( Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) Really-From: stephan bischoff >>Now I'm waiting for 'The Comeback of TD' on the Vox channel scheduled for >>18/7/97 0:10 pm GMT -1. >I assume it's a re-run of the RTL+ feature shown in June. >Isn't RTL+ and VOX somehow connected? YES, I am afraid it's a rerun. Check out the VOX homepage on the Internet - the title of the show is again (in German) 'The best-payed rehearsal band of all times'...so it must be a rerun of the RTL show. Bummer :-( While the VH-1 show was of course a huge disappointment, at least I got one important message out of it: I really like Jerome's taste in music! That gives me a good feeling if in the future he should ever take over the ship. I already had a suspicion that Jerome listens to a lot of bands I like too, because of the long list of bands that was printed in the booklet of....(oops forgot, was it Rockoon?). It is obvious that he was very influenced by eighties british new-wave in a big way. Anyway, for those who didn't see the show: TD picked 5 songs last night. Edgar picked: - Aerosmith - Crying (which I loathed) - Deep Forest (forgot the title) To 'Deep Forest', Edgar told the story that they (DF) achieve the same musical feelings and ideas that TD has tried to achieve. One day he came into the studio while Jerome had this track running, and he asked Jerome: 'When did we record this one, I don't remember this track'. Hmmm.... Gerome (as he was called in the show) picked these tracks: - Garbage - I'm only happy when it rains - Portishead - Sour Times - Kula Shaker - Govinda So...now let's hope our Polish friends will inform us of their broadcast of the European Tour... And what about VH-1, didn't they tape the show in Hamburg??? I am going to send them an email right now to find out their plans! Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5827 Re: TD on TV (VH-1): THE BIG NOTHING :(( Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 7/11/1997 3 KB 5839 Re: TD on TV (VH-1) stephan bischoff Fri 7/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 8:06 am Subject: Re: TD mix question & comments Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi RooneyR. -- first a proctology request. __________________ THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES Okay, okay. So I don't expect anyone to know about SECAM releases, but would you folks who have the PAL and NTSC VHS carts and LDs please supply label names and catalog numbers for THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES? Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! (Gawd, I hate to have to beg like this.) Also, is the version of 'Touchwood' on 'VDM' the 'Poison Byte Mix' from 'DM' disc 2? Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! (Cut-n-paste to the rescue.) __________________ > Really-From: RooneyR@a... > > I'm a long time Digest subscriber and TD fan; first message to the > group. On one of the recent Digests, someone said that there was a > 2 CD 'Dream Mixes' set. Import perhaps? ... Yes, on TDI -- TD's own label. Here's more than you wanted to know about 'The Dream Mixes' and 'The Video Dream Mixes.' And less because I don't know much about 'The Video Dream Mixes' -- just the tracks on it. Direct your attention to the media section headed 'CDx2' -- that's what you want -- it's the only version of 'DM' to get. THE DREAM MIXES [Apr 95] - EF/JF 1 Little Blond in the Park of 10 Bride in Cold Tears Attractions (Thai Dub) [7:17] (Motown Monk Mix) [5:31] 2 Rough Embrace [5:30] 11 Touchwood (Radio Edit) [4:02] 3 Touchwood (Forest Mix) [7:00] 12 Little Blond in the Park of 4 Jungle Journey Attractions (Radio Ed) [4:09] (Reptile Mix) [6:20] 13 Catwalk 5 Virtually Fields [6:50] (Black Ink Mix) [8:12] 6 Firetongues 14 Touchwood (Break Freak Mix) [6:18] (Poison Byte Mix) [7:54] 7 San Rocco [7:17] 15 Iowa [7:10] 8 Catwalk (Dress-up Mix) [7:49] 16 Sojus [9:19] 9 Change of the Gods [7:19] 17 Touchwood [7:57] &3 18 Firetongues [3:29] %6 Key: % excerpt; & remix Original cover: Yellow with sketch of dancing girl. Sepia cover: Monique, Jerome, Edgar in soft focus, sepia-tone photo. MC - Tracks 1-10 as THE DREAM MIXES [1995] Miramar (US) CD (DDD) - Tracks 1-10 as THE DREAM MIXES [1995] Miramar (US) 23073 [1995?] Virgin (DE?) [1995] Rigu (NL?) CDx2 (DDD) - Tracks 1-16 as THE DREAM MIXES (sepia cover) [1996] TDI (AT) TDI001CD VHS (NTSC) - Tracks 10,8,4,(17 or 14?),9,2,1,7,18 as THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES [1997] (US) VHS (PAL) - Tracks 10,8,4,(17 or 14?),9,2,1,7,18 as THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES [1997] () VHS (SECAM) - Tracks 10,8,4,(17 or 14?),9,2,1,7,18 as THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES [1997] () LD (NTSC) - Tracks 10,8,4,(17 or 14?),9,2,1,7,18 as THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES [1997] Image Entertainment (US) LD (PAL) - Tracks 10,8,4,(17 or 14?),9,2,1,7,18 as THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES [1997] () LD (SECAM) - Tracks 10,8,4,(17 or 14?),9,2,1,7,18 as THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES [1997] () > ... How can I get a copy? ... I'd say you should be able to order it on the net or from any shop that carries imports. TDI001CD is the catalog number. Do you need URLs? > ... I haven't seen any reference to the different sounding mix that > was used on both '220v Live' and on 'Turn of the Tides', noticeably > different than all the other recent CDs. The mixes are decidely > bassier and 'thinner' in a strange way than all the Private Music > CDs, Tyranny, and Goblin's Club. ... Different sounding mix? For what track? How do you mean? Give me labels (ie, companies) and catalog numbers, please. Perhaps you have releases no-one else has, eh? > ... Anyone know why? ... Don't really know what you're saying yet. If you could clarify, I'll try to answer. Til then, cheers -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5840 Re: TD mix question & comments stephan bischoff Fri 7/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 8:22 am Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Doug Pearson > [...] > Clarkston, Michigan. But it's not really in town at all. ... What is it? Would it be inappropriate to put Clarkston/Detroit in the discography as the location? You've been a great help, Doug -- I appreciate it. Cheers. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 12:01 pm Subject: Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 unsubscribe tadream Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5952 feldon@p... Wed 7/16/1997 2 KB 5995 Re: PNaunton@a... Sat 7/19/1997 2 KB 5999 Re: Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 7/19/1997 2 KB 6001 Re: PNaunton@a... Sun 7/20/1997 2 KB 6011 Re: Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 7/21/1997 3 KB 6020 Re: KP Mon 7/21/1997 3 KB 6007 Hermes Guzman Mon 7/21/1997 2 KB 6019 Re: KP Mon 7/21/1997 3 KB 6044 Klaus Beschorner Mon 7/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 9:31 am Subject: Re: a list rarity? Really-From: John Christian [Re: Lars suggesting numbers might be a problem] Don't forget there is a very good model for this, the Silver Edition. Although the idea originated with KS and KDM, everything else is similar: A set of CDs produced by trawling archive tapes, mainly sold by word of mouth fan routes, and paid for up-front by said fans. It sold all 2000 copies (eventually). Given that TD is better known globally than KS, and we're talking about something less than a 10-CD $250 set (at least we are now :) this should be much easier to sell. I just think that the problem will be getting the material in the first place. -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 8:46 pm Subject: Re: PN~Re: live?? Really-From: Pixel > What really is boring is when you cant hear the difference between a > track played 'live' and the album version. I do hear differences. During the last year I saw three shows personally, listened to the webcast and Tournado and I feel differences between them. But differences is not an important factor to me. What I enjoyed in these events is the collaboration of musicians with each other and with the Music. A TD performance is still a kind of flow like 20 or more years ago, but with using different artistical tools. > When I am paying money for an > concert I expect something else than what I hear home. I wouldn't approach music listening from this business-oriented aspect. The price of the ticket is not an investment. > Does these > 'harmonies' really add something to the music (along with thousands of > other layers..)?? I think so. > At a concert you dont listen like you do at home. I > want the 'live' sound to be more dynamic, powerfull and perhaps a little > improvisation. No problem. These 'requirements' had been satisfied. GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 10:13 am Subject: Re: Tribute/ Rarity Really-From: John Christian Previously on !tadream, tadream mailing list said: >>I don't like to throw more cold water around, but sorry, I gotta. This >>can't be the first time this sort of thing has been suggested. There >>must be dozens of small EM labels who would trip over themselves in the >>rush to release an old TD album. > >Who cares about labels? We don't need no stinking labels! (ok, maybe I'm >exaggerating, but in this day and age of telephone ordering with >visa/mastercard and internet sales, what's the point of having a label? To >sell these things at Tower Records? Please! YES!!! We're just a group of people who are going to raise money, source some music (paying the Artist for production time), produce CDs, distribute them directly and via specialist shops, plug them on the radio, and share out any profits. Sounds like a label to me. When I said 'small EM labels', I'm thinking of small one man & his dog outfits - less people involved than we have here, and generally run by EM fans and/or musicians. > >>Plus if Edgar wanted it to happen, he'd make it happen [*]. > >I don't think this is the case. I think Edgar and the producers are just >seeing the money issue, or LACK OF MONEY issue. All we have to do is make >that problem disappear. This has to be a movement! A cause! We have to push >so damn hard that Virgin files a harrassment lawsuit against us! And we >have to get Edgar's attention. Maybe take an advertisement in the paper! >Hell, I don't know, but we have to be so bloody serious that he can't turn >us down. You're damn right. Edgar is a professional musician, and he obviously cares very much about how his music is released. He sued the arse off Mark Jenkins for getting involved (OK, and fouling things up) with ToB. He DOES care about making money. He DOES care about chart returns. He DOES care about the image presented by the band's releases. I know there are exceptions (like the KLEM stuff) but this idea must have been floated MANY times, it's almost certainly been talked over with Virgin (at Tangents time). DRC would have been a perfect chance to do it, again with pro label backing. I just don't think Edgar wants to do stuff like this. And (I don't know him, so my image may be totally wrong but...) I don't think he will be swayed by pressure. It will piss him off, and you WILL be talking to his lawyers, not him. >>I just think anyone contacting Edgar would get a pretty short answer. > >If someone talks to Edgar and he says that it'll never work, please be >strong enough to respond with, 'with all due respect, Mr. Froese, that's >not good enough! We want those archives!' Who would have thought the >Beatles Anthology would have made such a big fuss, considering 99% of the >material is already in the hands of most Beatles fans anyway...? 'Most Beatles fans' don't have the material. They're my mother. They don't hang round at record fairs. They might shop at Tower though. Anthology was a highly hyped, professionaly produced set, rather like what we're suggesting isn't. Go to Edgar with a proposal for pressing (say) 10,000 units initially, decent artwork, full press campaign, full-time pluggers, mainstream distribution and you _might_ get through the door. But I still have doubts...(a) Edgar likes dealing with professionals not rich amateurs, and (b) I STILL think he'd have a downer on the project. >Morgan Oh, I'm really pissed off now. I've spent half the morning writing negative replies, but I really think someone has to. I'd love this to work, I'd happily be part of it if it does. But I just see people going down the path of disillusionment and maybe worse. You're all too nice for that to happen to. Some better news (?)...Europa's artwork has finally shown up and is being shipped off to the ones who pre-bought at JB. Should be in the hands of dealers in the next couple of days. NP: FSP - Impulse (well, I needed cheering up) -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5829 Re: Tribute/ Rarity Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 7/11/1997 3 KB 5843 Re: Tribute/ Rarity John Christian Fri 7/11/1997 2 KB 7066 Re: Tribute/ Rarity Philip Meyer Sun 9/14/1997 3 KB 7069 Re: Tribute/ Rarity Philip Meyer Sun 9/14/1997 3 KB 7100 Re: Tribute/ Rarity John Christian Tue 9/16/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 1:59 pm Subject: Re: TD mix question & comments Really-From: 'R.A.Seed' > Okay, okay. So I don't expect anyone to know about SECAM releases, but > would you folks who have the PAL and NTSC VHS carts and LDs please > supply label names and catalog numbers for THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES? > Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! > Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! > Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! Please! > Please! Please! (Gawd, I hate to have to beg like this.) On the Spine - Tangerine Dream-THe Video Dream Mixes ID3761CA with a picture of Jerome,Linda and Edgar on the front cover. NTSC Laserdisc 59 Minutes Long. 1.Opening Logos 2.Main Title 3.Bride in Cold Tears 4.Catwalk 5.Jungle Journey 6.Touchwood 7.Change of the Gods 8.Rough Embrace 9.Little Blonde in the Park of Attractions 10.San Rocco 11.End Credits/Firetongues Produced and Directed by Edgar Froese Castle Music Pictures Distrubuted Exclusively By Image Entertainment. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 3:19 pm Subject: Re: Tribute/ Rarity Really-From: Hilmar_Kraft@n... Some thoughts about the rarity idea from Klaus (fantastic idea!) I believe we are worrying way to much at the moment. Why don't we follow Klaus's idea and take one step at a time. At the moment it seems we are trying to second guess what Edgar might think or not think and how he would react etc. But we don't even know if he or someone else owns the material. If we pick 1976 for example, the concert was performed by 3 people, and the rights to the material could be shared, or be owned by one of them, or most likely belong to Virgin Records (even though it is unreleased), or even someone else. I guess it all depends on a lot of legal issues and contracts etc. As an example that things are less than obvious: If Edgar really owns all the rights, how come Chris Franke can perform and publish old TD material (London Concert) - even on a different label than TD published the same song? Maybe Franke co-owns it? His new label bought it? Would we have to ask his permission as well? What about Tangents - who asked whom to come in and work on the material...? Wasn't it Virgin who asked Froese...and Franke as well? Did either one of them have a contract with Virgin at the time? I am not looking for answers to these questions, I am just trying to illustrate my point: I believe we should simply go forward and seriously ask TD who we would need to contact for this project. Then we can start to plan our strategy of how to win this party over for our idea... Hilmar (who actually believes a Silver Edition 10-CD box in Schulze-fashion would be the best approach. Put together by one or two fans that are allowed access to the archives. A 10-box would obviously only be of interest to fans, thus: limited quantity, no general release (the cost of this beast would forbid it anyway), which should solve some of the many financial and legal problems. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5830 Re: Tribute/ Rarity John Christian Fri 7/11/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 9:16 am Subject: Re: The Melthuza Quintarian Super-duper Whiz-bang Fan Disc Really-From: John Christian Previously on !tadream, tadream mailing list said: >I didn't know we were going to get Edgar's help in the production and >release of this thing... I thought we were going to buy the rights to a >master tape or two from Virgin and then see if Edgar wants to edit a disc >or two worth of material together or does he just want to give us two >master tapes of about 3-4 hours of material and let us figure it our >ourselves... In this case, we would use fantapes to determine the best >concert dates and then ask for those tapes... Why do you think Virgin would have those tapes, or the rights to use them? I think the normal state of affairs is that TD would be contracted to produce 'n' albums, and delivered 'n' master tapes. They might have been sent other tapes but they'd have no rights to release them (e.g. Green Desert was sent to Virgin but when they decided to release it, it was on Relativity - their label at the time). The only things Virgin _might_ have the rights to put out are things that 'almost' made it: Oedipus Tyrannus, The Keep (if that was on Virgin), though obviously the original problems still apply. -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 4:05 pm Subject: Re: TD on TV (VH-1): THE BIG NOTHING :(( Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) > >To 'Deep Forest', Edgar told the story that they (DF) achieve the same >musical feelings and ideas that TD has tried to achieve. One day he >came into the studio while Jerome had this track running, and he asked >Jerome: 'When did we record this one, I don't remember this track'. >Hmmm.... Did he look serous when he said this? With the amount of material they've produced, I could really imagine his hearing something and not being sure it was one of his or not! 8-) ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 4:00 pm Subject: Re: Edgar Froese and Christopher Franke Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > >I'm listening to Chris Franke's Klemania, and I have to say that if Edgar and >Chris stuck together, TD would be constantly putting out top notch material. >It's a shame really. Oh, well it looks like i'll always yearn for the older >days of TD. Hopefully the future looks brighter for todays TD. The future's bright - the future's 'Tangerine'! (That paraphrases an ad-line used by the Orange phone company here in the UK, where they say 'the future's bright - the future's orange'. Sorry, not really worth it was it?) P.S. will the idiot from GEC who keeps trying to unsubscribe stop sending messages to the list. 8-) Sorry again! ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 4:15 pm Subject: Re: Tribute/ Rarity Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: John Christian > >Some better news (?)...Europa's artwork has finally shown up and is >being shipped off to the ones who pre-bought at JB. Should be in the >hands of dealers in the next couple of days. > AHA! 'Don't buy (or invest in) a new TD product. Buy mine instead!' says John. I knew there was another otive in there somewhere! (No offense, lots of smileys, really a joke, please read this line before responding John, should I put one at the top too? oh damn, I've done it now). ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5843 Re: Tribute/ Rarity John Christian Fri 7/11/1997 2 KB 7066 Re: Tribute/ Rarity Philip Meyer Sun 9/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 3:31 pm Subject: Re: Tribute/ Rarity Really-From: John Christian >Really-From: Hilmar_Kraft@n... >Some thoughts about the rarity idea from Klaus (fantastic idea!) >I believe we are worrying way to much at the moment. I thought it was just me ;) >Why don't we follow >Klaus's idea and take one step at a time. At the moment it seems we are >trying to second guess what Edgar might think or not think and how he would >react etc. But we don't even know if he or someone else owns the material. >If we pick 1976 for example, the concert was performed by 3 people, and the >rights to the material could be shared, or be owned by one of them, or most >likely belong to Virgin Records (even though it is unreleased), or even >someone else. I guess it all depends on a lot of legal issues and contracts >etc. Chances are that TD is actually some kind of legal entity - Tangerine Dream GMBH or a partnership or something. So TD probably owns the music, apart from that assigned to another party. I'm sure it would be unheard of to assign everything you did to a record company. >As an example that things are less than obvious: If Edgar really owns all >the rights, how come Chris Franke can perform and publish old TD material >(London Concert) - even on a different label than TD published the same >song? Maybe Franke co-owns it? His new label bought it? Would we have to >ask his permission as well? What about Tangents - who asked whom to come in >and work on the material...? Wasn't it Virgin who asked Froese...and Franke >as well? Did either one of them have a contract with Virgin at the time? Anyone can perform published music (as opposed to reproducing an existing recording). They just have to pay royalties to the composer (or in this case co-composer). Dave Gilmour has spoken about similar things with Roger Waters: While thoroughly fallen out and communicating through lawyers, they were still paying each other money for music used in their concerts. Tangents is a different case. The music was all published by Virgin, & the recordings copyright Virgin. > I >am not looking for answers to these questions, Oops, sorry. > I am just trying to >illustrate my point: > >I believe we should simply go forward and seriously ask TD who we would >need to contact for this project. Then we can start to plan our strategy of >how to win this party over for our idea... I'd like to see this too, but that's just because I think the project would die at this stage regardless, and the less effort and hope that goes into it the better. But assuming I'm wrong, then the better prepared we are, the more likely to get a positive response. -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 9, 1997 7:25 pm Subject: Re: a list rarity? Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) > > >> My personal favourite : Nottingham 1976 > >> > > > >My Idea of a rity is not a single live concert but themes present > along > >many live shows that never wasn't published on any oficial album, > >single musical jewels never heard of except for the performance where > > >they have played it. > > Francisco, just trust me. This concert, especially the third piece (of > > which only a few distorted minutes are documented on a fantape) > fully meets your criteria. > I'm sure of it.Le'ts say, Kalus, you've made me salivate heavily ! and this concert will be in my schedule of wanted TD documents. Anyway, I was only defining my idea of a rarity, not denying the goodness of a concert I have, unhappily, smelled not even single note of it (:-(( ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 5:06 pm Subject: Great Tape! (Grant's) Really-From: ashok prema rom: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 06:00:37 -0700 Subject: Re: Grant's music Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: ashok prema > > Sorry about putting this subject on the Digest - but my messages to > Grant off-line keep getting rejected. > > Grant - impressive tape ! - contact me off-line and I'll re-send the > message again. Yes indeed! It is a very nice tape -- talented boy! But not only has Grant's email address changed with his change of jobs, but Craig tells me Grant has the chicken pox and is quite ill. 8-( I sent him a get well (...better) card. -- Mark Ah Yes!! But WHICH TAPE are YOU referring to Mark?? I had 2 of totally differing styles - one was to me, somewhat amateurish with doodlings over long monotonous meandering bits - Kraftwerk/'Sorcerer' replicated sequences etc - the other was original and comprised of 'medieval' and ethnic music style tracks - but showed great creativity - probably not a TD listeners style though. Are we both appreciating the same tape heh?? Ash Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5851 Re: Great Tape! (Grant's) Mark Filipak Fri 7/11/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 5:19 pm Subject: tournado arrives Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I got my copy of tournado (finally) and a few extras to trade. If you're interested, let me know. Lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 5:32 pm Subject: Re: Tribute/ Rarity Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: John Christian > > NP: FSP - Impulse (well, I needed cheering up) Thank you John! Good choice, by the way. Check out AirSculpture's Europa. Great stuff (been there and saw it). NP: Amsterdam Melkweg 1997 : Early Version (Sorry John) Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... (finally got the damn scanner. Will try this weekend) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5847 Re: Tribute/ Rarity Gabe Yedid Fri 7/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 5:39 pm Subject: Strike! Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all, >feldon@p... wrote ... >P.S. At the beginning of the Poland concert, there is a 'piano strike' >sound which also appears on Hyperborea... Does anyone know if part of >Hyperborea played as a soundcheck or intro to the Poland concert? It's a chord played on Edgar's PPG Wave Keyboard : these things were rather unreliable and Edgar was probably playing a couple of keys to see if it was still working. Bearing in mind that this was the Poland concert and whole thing was performed at minus 50 below, the poor old PPG had probably gone toes up anyway and the chord strike was its final message to the audience. Mind you, this is the same kind of reliability issue that the average PC user has to endure on a daily basis. Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 5:50 pm Subject: Broadcast formats Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves Hello Mark Filipak and Jens Peschke, The format Jens is referring to is High Definition TV (aka HDTV). The Japanese developed HDTV in an analog format to take advantage of the existing broadcasting systems. They just used double the bandwidth to achieve the results. In the U.S. though, there was a drive for a digital format. Since the government controls broadcasting licences, it determined that HDTV would be the successor to NTSC and it had to be digital. It took a U.S. engineering company to finally figure out how to build certain components to handle digital signals, as opposed to using analog equipment. The government had determined that all of the equipment would be digital. The result is the Japanese analog HDTV will not be built outside of Japan. Everyone is waiting for the digital version the U.S. has developed. My two bytes worth. CHEERS...Matt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 3:51 pm Subject: Marcel Engels webpage Really-From: Michael Fox Has anybody else had trouble accessing Marcel's page? All I ever get is a page from his ISP that gives me a 404 error! G.D. Internet! And yes, my ISP is cool, no blocks. Cheers, Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 9:50 pm Subject: Logos Details Really-From: feldon@p... Well, I sat down and wrote a really detailed comparison of Mojave Plan as played at Logos compared to the original release on White Eagle. Then the computer crashed. Damn Macintoshes! Windows 95 doesn't crash this often! Mojave Plan during the Logos concert is about 10:00 long, but it only explores the first 7 minutes of the original release. In other words, there's an interlude that's totally unrecognizable which lasts 3 minutes. It's as if they played the first 40 seconds of Mojave Plan, then did 3 minutes of different stuff, then they immediately jump back to where the track left off, essentially starting at 0:40 from the original release. Does that make any sense? Here's the layout: Mojave Plan as played at Logos ------------------------------ 0:00- 0:40 Same as released 0:41- 1:45 Bridge (based on themes of the first 40 seconds) 1:46- 3:30 Completely unidentifiable...strangely familiar, however... 3:31-10:00 Similar to the official 1981 release of Mojave Plan (picking up at time index 0:40 compared to White Eagle disc) This part is quite updated and worth listening... 10:01-11:45 Unreleased Bridge So here's the layout for the Logos concert (the whole damn thing, finally!) Set One ------- 0:00- 5:27 Logos 1 (time is EXACT!) 5:28-40:00 Unreleased Stuff, Chorozon, The Soldier (Harbor Entry), Tangent (3:28 of it)--time is estimated Set Two ------- 0:00-10:00 Mojave Plan 10:01-11:45 Bridge (not used on Logos release) 11:46-51:24 Logos 2 (as previously released on Logos 5:27-45:06) Encores ------- 0:00- 3:45 Midnight in Tuna...er, that's Tula 0:00- 4:52 White Eagle 0:00- 5:44 Dominion So that's that! Info on Set One unreleased stuff (broken into individual tracks) is forthcoming... Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 9:48 pm Subject: Re: TD on TV (VH-1) Really-From: stephan bischoff Hilmar Kraft wrote: >So...now let's hope our Polish friends will inform us of their >broadcast of the European Tour... And what about VH-1, didn't they >tape the show in Hamburg??? I am going to send them an email right now >to find out their plans! Yes, it was VH-1 at the hamburg gig. But they only recorded about 30 minutes of the first set. Then they aborted and packed their stuff. I wrote them an email a week after the show, but never got response. Stephan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 9:53 pm Subject: Re: TD mix question & comments Really-From: stephan bischoff The Video Dream Mixes (PAL) Castle Music Pictures QLG5001 Hope this helps Stephan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 10:18 pm Subject: Re: Non TD: Digital TV Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) >Really-From: feldon@p... > >>Really-From: Mark Filipak >> >> Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >>> [...] >>> I=B4m waiting for one new digital TV format. Not one for the USA, one >>> for Europe and one for the rest of the world invented by asians (know >>> what I mean ?). >> >>Um, no! I don't know what you mean. -- Mark > >Let's face it, Mark, we are technological idiots compared to the Japanese. >They should come up with the new digital video standard. I strongly disagree with this statement (unless 'we' refers only to those of us on tadream. :) Let's not forget that the first HDTV system offered by the Japanese was analog, not digital, and was ignored by everyone else. True, they can claim many technological innovations in various segments of the electronics industry but that does not mean that they are the only ones who can make such claims. Neither should their level of innovation disqualify others who might have good ideas. The real problem with digital TV is not the format or compression algorithm or image size, etc. Even if you have loss-less compression and a display screen that covers your living room wall, the fact remains that there is precious little worth watching! How about instead of VH-1, *TD-1*! All TD - all the time! :-) :-) I know I'd watch it. BTW, as long as we're having fun with TV standards, if NTSC = Never Twice the Same Color then SECAM = System Essentially Contrary to the American Method Happy viewing, -Erik From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 10:47 pm Subject: Re: Voices in the Dunes For Sale` Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-09 22:57:37 EDT, << the asking price is $125.00 US >> Holy Cow!! Is mine worth this much, too? I knew I should have bought more copies. Now, if I only knew which box in the basement it is stored in. I wonder if it's the one sitting in the puddle in the corner. ;-) Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 10:46 pm Subject: Re: Tribute/ Rarity Really-From: John Christian Previously on !tadream, tadream mailing list said: >Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >AHA! > >'Don't buy (or invest in) a new TD product. >Buy mine instead!' says John. Ok, I admit it. I'm just sulking cos nobody wants to do a 10 CD AirSculpture box set. -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7066 Re: Tribute/ Rarity Philip Meyer Sun 9/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 11:48 pm Subject: Re: Space Daze (no TD content) Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-07-10 15:07:07 EDT, you write: << Really-From: MCINTYRE@p... >Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... >NP: This Is Space: The Space Daze Trilogy - A four CD box set (the 4th is a >free bonus CD of ambient music by ob1) that includes over 240 min. of music >by everyone that has ever done 'space music' known to man...and aliens! >Includes FSOL, TD, The Orb, Hawkwind, KS, Ozric T., and many, many others. > Would post a complete discography and review of this if anyone is >interested! >A complete discography should point out that this is merely a repackaging >of previously released material. By that I don't mean just that the >individual tracks have been previously released: all the discs were >previously released. The first two were called _Space Daze_ and marketed >with a companion book. Then came _Space Daze 2000_, the third disc. The >bonus ambient disc was marketed as _Dark Matter_. The only thing new about >this set is the slipcover. John McIntyre>> I don't believe I said anything about this being NEW! I realize that everything on it has been released before, and that these compilations have been released before as separate discs. I surely would have pointed out this fact in a discography. (Not that I really wanted to do a discography unless somebody REALLY, REALLY wanted me to!!) Heck, I have a lot of this on their original albums and CD's as well. But there are also a lot of things on here I don't have. Who can afford to buy all of the albums these originally came from? Not me. In the first place, this was only a 'Now Playing' postscript. It's a nice box set, the music flows well together, it's a nice historical overview of space music...and it's great to listen to while reading my mail or working on the computer. That was my only intent on mentioning it. I was enjoying it! Got a problem with that? Graf 8-( Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5859 Re: Space Daze (no TD content) Ken Alexander Fri 7/11/1997 2 KB 5864 Re: Space Daze (no TD content) GrafZeigen@a... Sat 7/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 11, 1997 12:44 am Subject: A Livemiles Thought Really-From: Jim Moore You know, half of part one of Live Miles was played during the 1988 tour... So I guess it was more of a prophetic album than a live album... (I know... 'Shut up, Jim!') 'A committee is a cul-de-sac down which ideas are lured and then quietly strangled.' -- Sir Barnett Cocks jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 11, 1997 3:22 am Subject: Re: 'Official' 1977 tour date info Really-From: Doug Pearson tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: Doug Pearson > > [...] > > Clarkston, Michigan. But it's not really in town at all. ... > > What is it? Would it be inappropriate to put Clarkston/Detroit in the > discography as the location? Probably not. The amphitheatre is part of a large area which originally I believe was only the Pine Knob Ski Resort. The address is Clarkston 'cause it's within the town limits. The town by no means is a large city. I guess Clarkston would be considered on the northern fringe of the Metropolitan (Metro) Detroit area. Clarkston's about 40 or so miles north of downtown Detroit. Although the people of Clarkston wouldn't consider themselves part of Detroit if you want people from outside of Michigan to immediately recognize the location you'd have to include Detroit. -dep- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 11, 1997 4:09 am Subject: Re: Tribute/ Rarity Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > NP: Amsterdam Melkweg 1997 : Early Version > (Sorry John) Is this a bootleg of the TD show? That has sets 1 & 2? An 'early version'....this means it still needs some cleaning up, I guess. Please keep us posted on the progress of this, Marcel...if it sounds good, and has the whole show, it will get my money instead of _Tournado_ (sorry TD) > Marcel real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 11, 1997 9:08 am Subject: Re: TD on TV (VH-1) Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >> One day he came into the studio while Jerome had >> this track running, and he asked Jerome: 'When did >> we record this one, I don't remember this track'. >Did he look serous when he said this? With the amount >of material they've produced, I could really imagine his >hearing something and not being sure it was one of his or not! Edgar always looks serious! :-) But judging from the different degrees of looking serious that Edgar usually displays, I have no doubt that this was either a true story or a story totally made up but meant to sound true. In other words: he wasn't making a joke or so... Other than that, I completely agree with you. As a listener I am already having similar problems: if you would put me in a game show and play me 20 TD titles of any post 87 album, I would probably not be able to correctly assign more than 3 to their corresponding albums (and those 3 would be by chance only). I guess I could still reliably discount any non-TD track, but assuming that Edgar has tons of unfinished recordings of studio experiments and countless versions of any song, I am not suprised he is losing track... Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 11, 1997 12:01 pm Subject: TD on TV Really-From: spidey Hilmar wrote: >So...now let's hope our Polish friends will inform us of their >broadcast of the European Tour... And what about VH-1, didn't they >tape the show in Hamburg??? I am going to send them an email right now >to find out their plans! >Hilmar Let us know what you find out!!! Oscar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26779 TD on TV :-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dust Fri 4/20/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 11, 1997 12:20 pm Subject: Stores in San Diego/ La Jolla Area Really-From: jeffrey@i... Hi All I will be in the San Diego area and possibly LA area this upcoming week. Anyone on the list live out there I was looking for some info and advice on: 1. Any good music stores to pick up preferabbly used synth equipment 2. Any good record stores to buy electronic music - prefereably not chain stores 3. And the best southern californian cooking I can find (restaurants) Thanks Jeff From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 11, 1997 1:04 pm Subject: Re: Great Tape! (Grant's) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: ashok prema > > rom: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 06:00:37 -0700 > Subject: Re: Grant's music > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: ashok prema > > > > Sorry about putting this subject on the Digest - but my messages to > > Grant off-line keep getting rejected. > > > > Grant - impressive tape ! - contact me off-line and I'll re-send > > the message again. > > Yes indeed! It is a very nice tape -- talented boy! > > But not only has Grant's email address changed with his change of jobs, > but Craig tells me Grant has the chicken pox and is quite ill. 8-( > > I sent him a get well (...better) card. -- Mark > > Ah Yes!! > But WHICH TAPE are YOU referring to Mark?? > > I had 2 of totally differing styles - one was to me, somewhat > amateurish with doodlings over long monotonous meandering bits - > Kraftwerk/'Sorcerer' replicated sequences etc - the other was > original and comprised of 'medieval' and ethnic music style tracks > - but showed great creativity - probably not a TD listeners style > though. Are we both appreciating the same tape heh?? The tape Grant sent me is 90 minutes: Side A 1- 'Heaven' 2- 'Hell' Side B 1- 'The Bay' (suite) - 'The Bridge' - 'The Tide' - 'The Cliffs' 2- 'The Messenger' 3- 'Driftwood' 4- 'All in a Mouse's Flight (Fantasia)' 5- 'The Waves' 6- 'Cave' 7- 'Metropolis' I imagine 'Heaven' and 'Hell' are the 'amateurish doodlings' you referred to -- which I found to be totally killer and original sequencer pieces that did happen to contain a very obvious tribute to 'Autobahn' -- and very, very well done if I may say so. And Side B is probably the other stuff you referred to. Great compositions. Totally brill. Every bit as good as anything I've heard from the (justifiably) beloved and revered Mr. Shreeve. Glad you brought it up, Ash. And considering how much I like Grant's work, I don't mind discussing it in public. I found it especially startling that Grant did these pieces seven years ago! I can't wait to hear what he's up to now. Ciao -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 11, 1997 11:27 am Subject: Re: Non TD: Digital TV Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: feldon@p... > [...] > However, when you start talking about throwing around 2048x1024 > at 30 frames per second, you are demanding a bandwidth in excess > of 171 megabytes per second. Does this send up any red flags for > people? There is no way that we will see almost-perfect JPEG > compression to bring 171 megabytes down to 8-10 megabytes per > second (this is the maximum throughput which can be practically > handled by a Pentium-based computer costing less than $10,000. Your numbers are sound, Morgan (well, it's actually 180 M-bytes/sec average throughput), but your reasoning isn't. Glossary entries: Pels: 'Picture elements' -- that's dots to you and me. :-) Byte: A digital quantity that can 'describe' 256 values. For comparison, the average human eye can distinguish about 100 shades of grey. First, at some point in the output processing, 180 M-bytes/sec is going to have to be generated and accomodated no matter what. But the form of this 180 M-bytes/sec will be as 60 M-pels/sec where each pel is 3 bytes, ie, 1 byte each of red, green, and blue (or Y, I, and Q; or H, S, and V; or whatever scheme is employed). The point is that 60 M-pels/sec is not overly demanding with today's display technology -- for example, my current 1600x1200 computer monitor displays 160 M-pels/sec and the video card costs less than $200. Second, If the JPEG algoritm processing is done by a general purpose computer (like a Pentium for example) then, yes, there would be problems into the foreseeable future without employing some sort of lossey compression scheme -- you need to be able to process pels at the rate of 60 million/sec which realistically translates to about 1200 MIPs on a general purpose computer! (For you non-technoweenies, that's about 12 times faster than today's fastest Pentiums.) But 60 M-pels/sec implys only a 60 M-Hz clock for a pure hardware machine. A 60 M-Hz clock for a hardware machine is no big deal. I've done ECL (emitter coupled logic) designs up to 168 M-Hz. But if a lossey compression scheme is adopted, then a software driven machine is almost manditory -- implementation in a purely hardware machine would be too complex (read: too expensive) -- so a superfast general purpose software driven computer would HAVE to be used. So we have a conflict here. The use of a general purpose, software driven computer will limit throughput because of it's need to fetch many, many program instructions for each pel expanded -- thereby justifying lossey compression to improve performance. On the other hand, the use of a simpler, hardware driven machine means you don't need lossey compression at all -- but the system would be more expensive because of the use of special chips. It's the classic tradeoff: quality -vs- cost. I'm glossing over the alternative of a mixed solution, but the alternatives I present here are essentially realistic. I'm sure the folks who are working on the standard are well aware of this conflict and the tradeoffs. It all comes down to which side you're on: Do you think general purpose processors will come up in speed faster than dedicated hardware (read: special chips) will come down in price? If these people are really smart (and I think they are), they'll come up with one method that will accommodate BOTH schemes. So those folks who want the highest quality and are willing to pay for it in the short run, can, while the rest of us put up with a little lower quality at a much lower cost. In the long run, it won't matter which way you go -- the two will converge if the system design being done now is done with these issues in mind -- and I have no reason to think is isn't. Third, even if lossey compression is employed, the size and quality of the resulting picture will dwarf what we currently have by a ratio of up to nearly 7 pels for each pel we currently see. If the losses are as bad as 2:1, you're still left with over 3 times the current visual resolution. I could live with that quite nicely, thank you -- at least, until I'm assimilated. > Back to our regularly scheduled Tangerine Dream program. Indeed. Cheers All. -- Mark ('Who were those people and what the hell was they talking about?') From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 11, 1997 11:29 am Subject: Re: Tribute/ Rarity Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: John Christian > [...] > Ok, I admit it. I'm just sulking cos nobody wants to do a 10 CD > AirSculpture box set. I'll help you with the next 7 discs, John. All you have to do is put me up and pay my air fare. ;-) -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5861 Re: Tribute/ Rarity Marcel Engels Sat 7/12/1997 2 KB 5891 Re: Tribute/ Rarity TangerineC@a... Mon 7/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: LADY GREENGRASS lyrics Really-From: Steven Feldman LADY GREENGRASS She lifts her dress and | floats to dreamland Makes love | to the sky She lets her hair hang down | as the weeds go 'round Lady | Greengrass Puff | The grass is tangerine Puff | The sky is suddenly green Her eyes | reveal her state of mind She's beginning to | fly-y-y-y-y Licking | lollipops Catching | moondrops Bright and | beautiful [unintelligible word] that | love-ins Groovy | freak-ins Lady | Greengrass Puff | The trees are tangerine Puff | The sky is suddenly green Her eyes | reveal her state of mind She's beginning to | fly-y-y-y-y She's beginning to fly | She's beginning to fly To fly | To fly | To fly | To fly | To fly ~ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: LOVE OF MINE lyrics Really-From: Steven Feldman LOVE OF MINE I've gotta, gotta, gotta Your skirt's so short that your thighs are showin'. You move so fine. It gets me goin'. Oh, fuck fuck! [?!] That mole on your bum makes me lose my mind You're everything behba You're surely divine Oh behba Your eyes're so bright, like the moon there glowin' Your hand's so soft, that I keep moanin'! Your hair's so blonde, your eyes are prayin' [or 'grayin''?] There's no wonder why I'm sharin' . . . This love of mine, is so divine And I don't say that just to, find a rh-yme Here she comes (Fuck.) Your skirt's so short that your thighs are showin. You move so fine. It gets me goin' Alright, yeah The hill on your [unintelligible word] that makes me lose my mind You're everything, behba, You're sure divine Ah! Your eyes so bright, like the moon there glowin' Your hand's so soft, that I keep moanin'-na! I keep moanun! Your hair's so blonde, your eyes're prayin' There's no wonder why I'm saying This love of mine, she's so divine And I don't say that just to find a rhyme. Keep on pushin' naow. ~ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 11, 1997 2:00 pm Subject: TOUCHWOOD/VDM Really-From: Michael A Jean I am behind in my reading, so this may have already been addressed. One way to distinguish the Poison Byte mix is the voice of Darth Vader (I presume) about 2 or 3 minutes into the track. He is mumbling something about the power of the darkside.... Does this help? MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: LOVE OF MINE: Oh, Edgar! ;) Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: LOVE OF MINE lyrics >Date: Fri, 11 Jul 97 09:37:54 EDT >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Steven Feldman > >LOVE OF MINE [. . .] >Your hand's so soft, that I keep moanin'! [. . .] Does this mean what I think it means, or am I just a dirty old man? Honestly, is there any other interpretation than . . . a handjob?!?! ;) Oh, Edgar! ;) ;) ;) Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 11, 1997 3:18 pm Subject: Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i.e. Musically)? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Doug Pearson > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > In your estimation, is track 6 of 'VDM' > > > > 1- an extended remix of the 'Forest Mix' sped up, or > > 2- a remix of the 'Poison Byte Mix,' or > > 3- the same as the 'Poison Byte Mix,' or > > 4- a reperformance? > > > > I know this is a judgement call. I would appreciate your judgement > > I wish I had the 2 disc version of DREAM MIXES so I could be sure ... > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > One way to distinguish the Poison Byte mix is the voice of Darth > Vader (I presume) about 2 or 3 minutes into the track. He is > mumbling something about the power of the darkside.... > > Does this help? Yeeeeesssss! Brilliant, Michael! It happens at 2:10 into the 'Poison Byte Mix' and then again at 2:20. What say you now, Doug? Does the 'Touchwood' track on 'VDM' have this D.Vader line in it? -- it's really subdued, so you have to listen closely. Thanks in advance for a confirmation, either way it comes out. -- Mark (I think the TDI, CDx2 version of 'DM' is worth the expense, even though the second disk only has an additional 41:05 on it -- 4:05 of which is a radio remix of 'The Forest Mix.') Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5875 Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i. Doug Pearson Sun 7/13/1997 3 KB 5878 Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i. Mark Filipak Sun 7/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 11, 1997 4:49 pm Subject: Re: Space Daze (no TD content) Really-From: Ken Alexander > >NP: This Is Space: The Space Daze Trilogy - A four CD box set (the 4th is a > >free bonus CD of ambient music by ob1) > >bonus ambient disc was marketed as _Dark Matter_. The only thing new about > >this set is the slipcover. See these conflicting reports about the 4th Space Box disc? Some people get one by Dark Matter, some by OB1, some by the Pressurehed guys... I think the 4th CD in the Space Box is a CD on the Cleopatra/Hypnotic label picked *at random* and different from one box to the next. Either they're trying to expose people to new things at random, or they're just trying to get rid of their surplus. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59 am Subject: coefficient Really-From: mythos@e... I have extra copies of the following for sale: The Coefficient of Aural Expansion $35 The Coefficient of Aural Expansion Part 2 (CDR) $35 Michael Hoenig : Xcept One $25 -or trade for TD recordings from 74-76. Price includes postage within the US. B. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 11, 1997 5:23 pm Subject: Re: Tribute/ Rarity Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > > > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > > > > NP: Amsterdam Melkweg 1997 : Early Version > > (Sorry John) > > Is this a bootleg of the TD show? That has sets 1 & 2? > > An 'early version'....this means it still needs some cleaning up, I guess. > > Please keep us posted on the progress of this, Marcel...if it sounds > good, and has the whole show, it will get my money instead of _Tournado_ > (sorry TD) > Both sets. Can't give more info, sorry. Watch this space. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 11, 1997 4:41 pm Subject: interview Really-From: Michael Fox Found this on the 2launch web site. Years before The Orb tripped the light fantastic over blipping quasars or The Future Sound of London skewed samples for their warped world, Tangerine Dream were there. Albums like Electronic Meditation, Zeit, Atem, Phaedra, Rubycon, and Stratosfear relayed a panoramic sweep of electronic textures and otherworldly vistas that sound as unusual now as they did back in the '70s. Founded by German sculptor and classical musician Edgar Froese in 1967, Tangerine Dream has seen many lineups, but their time-traveling style has remained intact.

Like an exploratory probe spinning through distant galaxies, Tangerine Dream have created an illusory vision that has influenced many while continuing to rove and create. Their latest, Goblin's Club, bears the trademark Tangerine Dream ambience, but with updated sonics, percussion, guitar and snippets of world beat vocals. Now co-composing with his son Jerome Froese, Edgar Froese is as energetic and determined as ever--though some may brand his music as new age at a time of harder-rocking electronic bands like Prodigy and the Chemical Brothers. But Froese has held to his concept and sound-impetus for 30 years, testament to the melodic urge that charges his now graying head.

'It's just a different feel now,' says Froese, preparing for another tour from his Austrian studio. 'Through the years we've tried to do something that gives a new kick in the way of recording things or using new technology. Whatever you can put your hands on that hasn't been used heavily before and opens new doors to the music...that has always been something we saw as a challenge.'

Known in the early days for his pioneering work with synthesizers and self-made instruments (like a '60s era Aphex Twin, perhaps?), Froese stood alongside the birth of the sampler, which has forged the current electro revolution. Goblin's Club contains some 1,700 sampled sounds, but was actually composed on a transatlantic flight between Amsterdam and Los Angeles. Froese now sees his own ideas spun back at him.

'In the early days there were no instruments around that could repeat sounds,' he explains. 'We worked with echo loops and Revox tape machines. We copied events dozens of times to get repeating rhythms. We tried to use everything that gave us the challenge of making new sounds.

'The strangest thing we've sampled lately was in an old military camp in Berlin. When you flushed the toilet on the third floor the water ran down through a huge vault used by the army. When the water fell it gave an enormous swooshing sound. We used that on several records, filtering it and making rhythms out if it. For years we were running around places with microphones and tape machines trying to get as many sounds as possible for our records.'

On Goblin's Club you can hear the influence of classical music and the French surrealism that imbued Froese's early work. An admirer of Bach and the painter Salvador Dali, whom he studied under, Froese has now abandoned the piano and the easel for the sampler and the computer. Art remains art, only the tools change.

'The computer is nothing new and nothing less than an extension of mental activities or a way you try to compose. You can be very fast and orchestrate things which are not possible by playing a piano or guitar. There is nothing sensational about it anymore. Everybody does it today.'

As a student of Dali, Froese witnessed bizarre concerts given on enormous plastic eggshells upturned in a lake, just one of the methods the painter used to distort reality. Froese uses similar methods today when searching for inspiration. His reality is a subjective plain.

'As a sculpture student I got to see Dali a couple times in the north of Spain. I watched him working and performing live, I learned a lot. One of his focus points was to put things upside down. He never left anything the way it was. Whatever he touched he changed into something else just to make sure that people were aware of what's being called reality. So reality is not reality as it is or as it was or as it will be. Reality is what you make out of it. I guess you can transfer that into music and every other art form.'

Froese combines unusual imagery in his compositions, an outgrowth of his art training and the psychedelic fervor that enlivened the '60s Zeitgeist. Back then, long rehearsals might yield a few compositions. Now, with MIDI keyboards and laptop computers, Froese composes anywhere the fancy hits him. The very name Tangerine Dream makes the brain work a bit, forcing you reconsider reality in a left-brain centered workout.

'I always hear music--my problem is getting it started into something.' Froese's voice glistens with frustration. 'The sound and rhythms I hear are so strange, I'm never able to cover it the way I hear it. That is why I'm searching for something new that gets close to what I hear. If I tell you about blue metal, it doesn't mean anything to you, but I hear it. What's blue metal? What's iron wood? What's a gold cloud? There is no other way of describing what I hear. That's the way you hunt for new sounds, new instruments, new rhythms. But you can't drift away too far so other people can't follow you anymore. That's the other problem.'

Now in his 60s, Froese still works on multiple projects and new ideas. He tours ceaselessly, records every year and composes at will. Plans include a 'new kind' of opera for the Sydney Opera House, and recording an entire album on mogul Richard Branson's Virgin airlines.

'I want to fly on Branson's 747 to Australia and back, doing a whole recording in the air. It's something to do with satellite waves, some real weird stuff. And I know Branson, he's a real weird guy.'

While most artists lose the creative drive in their 40s, Froese remains sharp and prolific. But can he break new ground in a field populated by young innovators?

'I always feel each record is the last one of the old period. Now we can see a bright future, look to something that hasn't been here before. Music has not even started. We haven't discovered five percent of what is possible in music. There is so much more to do. We should all work as hard as we can to find something new. There is a very bright horizon of new possibilities. It's not all discovered as most people think. It's endless. What's avant garde today can be a hit tomorrow.' There ya go, campers! Cheers, Mike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5872 Re: interview GrafZeigen@a... Sun 7/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 11, 1997 11:30 pm Subject: Re: Favourite Sequences` Really-From: PNaunton@a... My favourite sequence is where one TD-CD ends and I get up to put on another TD-CD. This sequence has been going on in my house for years. Once in a while there is a variation; where one TD-CD ends and I get up to put on a TD-LP. Then there's the flip side................ <'\\\\\< It's o-fish-al; I'm hopeless. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5866 Re: Favourite Sequences` GrafZeigen@a... Sat 7/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 12, 1997 3:45 am Subject: Re: Space Daze (no TD content) Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-07-11 23:02:53 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Ken Alexander > >NP: This Is Space: The Space Daze Trilogy - A four CD box set (the 4th is a > >free bonus CD of ambient music by ob1) > >bonus ambient disc was marketed as _Dark Matter_. The only thing new about > >this set is the slipcover. See these conflicting reports about the 4th Space Box disc? Some people get one by Dark Matter, some by OB1, some by the Pressurehed guys... I think the 4th CD in the Space Box is a CD on the Cleopatra/Hypnotic label picked *at random* and different from one box to the next. Either they're trying to expose people to new things at random, or they're just trying to get rid of their surplus. >> Now that's interesting! I would imagine it's probably a little of both of these theories. I know the reason I bought it was because it had a lot of artists I had not heard before, and many of them were artists frequently mentioned on the list that I wanted to 'sample' before buying anything else they have out. My fourth disc is Anubismatist by ob1...I really like it...think I'll buy more of this if I can find it! Sorry, if I was a little 'testy' in my response to the RE: on this subject. Caught me in a bad mood. I apologize publicly to the list. Now, which one of you characters was it that 'slammed' my home state of Iowa? I forget...guess I'll let it slide this time. :-)) Graf NP: 3 O'Clock High...anybody got a problem with THAT??? (hee-hee) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 12, 1997 6:11 am Subject: TD - LPs for trade or sale Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ingo_P=FCschmann?=' Hi all! Unfortunately my record player has given up lately. Therefore I have some LPs for trade/sale (TD only as one package!) No Tilte Cat.no. Label Quality Rem Tangerine Dream 1 Cyclone 25843XOT Virgin vg 2 Encore 25495-406 Virgin vg 2LP 3 Exit v2212 Virgin g 4 Flashpoint SI-17141 EMI vg 5 Force Majeure 200347 Virgin vg 6 Heartbreakers 207212-620 Virgin mint 7 Hyperborea v2292 Virgin g 8 Le Parc 6.26135AP Jive Electro vg 9 Lily on the Beach 210103 Private Music vg 10 Live Miles 6.26825AP Jive Electro vg 11 Logos 205230-320 Virgin g 12 Optical Race 209557 Private Music vg 13 Phaedra 87761-270 Virgin vg 14 Poland 6.28638 Jive Electro vg 2LP 15 Quichotte 885819 Amiga vg 16 Ricochet 89679-270 Virgin g 17 Rubycon 88754-270 Virgin vg 18 Shy People 2504-1 Edel vg 19 Sorcerer CPS-1031 Sokoj f 20 Stratosfear 28146XOT Virgin g 21 Tangram 202-169-320 Virgin vg 22 TD '70 - '80 VBOX 2 Virgin vg 4LP & Booklet 23 The Collection CCSLP161 Castle Comm. mint 2LP 24 Thief 203472-320 Virgin vg 25 Tyger 6.26475AP Jive Electro g 26 Underwater Sunlight 6.26377AP Jive Electro vg 27 White Eagle c2226 Virgin vg Klaus Schulze 1 Audentity 80025-26 Base Records vg 2LP 2 Electronik Impressionen 855941 Amiga vg If someone is interested please e-mail me off the list. Ingo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 12, 1997 7:48 am Subject: Re: Favourite Sequences` Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-07-12 01:54:33 EDT, you write: << Really-From: PNaunton@a... My favourite sequence is where one TD-CD ends and I get up to put on another TD-CD. This sequence has been going on in my house for years. Once in a while there is a variation; where one TD-CD ends and I get up to put on a TD-LP. Then there's the flip side................ <'\\\\\< It's o-fish-al; I'm hopeless. >> You REALLY crack me up, man :-D)) Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 12, 1997 10:06 am Subject: Help with Dominion Theatre concert ('Logos') please Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi All. I'm asking for accurate timings of the start and end points of each song and bridge in the section of the Dominion Theatre concert that was skipped on the album 'Logos.' Morgan Marks and I have gotten to this point -- basically, (some) identification and rough times. Would anyone with a boot of this show like to help 'bring it home?' Have you done a tracklist for this show, John? In my scheme, a song begins when you can just begin to hear it (based on distinctive rhythm or other instrument track) and ends when it finally fades completely away (or gets lost in the bridge music) -- all this at normal room listening levels. This means that the songs 'eat' a bit of the bridges, but that's okay and actually preferred as the focus should be on the songs, not the bridges, and presumably the songs exist on 8- or 16-track master tape somewhere, possibly without the bridges. This song-oriented timing can help relate tracks on various albums -- like 'Logos' -vs- the Logos tracks on 'Tangents.' Thanks in advance for any assistance. Appologies to anyone tired of seeing this, but I know of no way to get help other than to ask for it. Info seems to come in bits and pieces instead of comprehensively. It would take about 45 minutes of careful listening to a fantape to get all these times to within a couple of seconds each, or send me a fantape of this show and I'll stop being a pest and will do it myself. ;-) Ciao -- Mark ________________________________________________________________________ DOMINION THEATRE, LONDON [6 Nov 82] - EF/CF/JS __Evening_Set_1_[approx_41:00]____ 00:00 (intro/atmosphere) [1:05] 1 01:05 Logos 1 [3:24] 04:29 (bridge 1-2) [0:58] | and CD times are different. | 05:27 (bridge 1-2 cont) _ | 2 approx 06:30 Logos 2 [approx 6:30] | | approx 13:00 (bridge 2-3) | | 3 approx 15:00 Logos 3 [approx 4:00] | | approx 19:00 (bridge 3-4) | Beginning and ending | 4 approx 20:00 Logos 4 [approx 4:20] > times are needed for | 5 approx 24:20 Logos 5 [approx 5:40] | all of these. | approx 30:00 (bridge 5-6) | | 6 approx 33:00 Choronzon [approx 4:40] | | 7 approx 37:40 Tangent [approx 3:30] _| | __Evening_Set_2_[approx_51:00]____ | 8 00:00 Mojave Plan [approx 10:00] _ <-- Accurate running time needed | approx 10:00 (bridge 8-9) | | > full length of bridge needed. `-> 11:45 (bridge 8-9 cont) _| 9 13:02 Logos-Velvet [4:56] <-- A CD reads 6:44 when 'Velvet' 17:58 (bridge 9-10) begins (first slow beat, 18 sec 10 20:15 Logos-Red [6:19] before 'horns' come in carrying ('Wake up!') the main fanfare). Concert fan- 11 26:34 Logos-Blue [5:28] tapes are reportedly at 13:02 of 32:02 (bridge 11-12) set 2 at that point, but that's 12 36:57 Logos 12 [4:14] based on hearsay & approximation. 41:11 (bridge 12-13) So actually these set 2 times 13 41:38 Logos 13 [6:51] shouldn't be taken too seriously 48:29 (bridge 13-14) yet. But running times [x:xx] are 14 48:34 Logos 14 [2:32] very accurate though, as they have __Evening_Encores_________________ been determined from the CD. 15 Midnight in Tula [3:45] 16 White Eagle [4:52] 17 Dominion [5:44] _____________________________________________________________________ Except for the skip from trk.1 to trk.9, the 'Logos' media tracks are exactly as played at the concert. Bridge 1-2 was deftly crossfaded beginning at 5:27 of set 1 to join with bridge 8-9 at 11:46 of set 2. No studio bridges were added. CD (AAD) - Tracks 1+9-11,12-14,17 (in 3 media tracks) as LOGOS Concert-media track index points: 1-1[01:05] 10-1[13:57] 12-2[04:55] 14-2[16:32] 9-1[06:44] 11-1[20:16] 13-2[09:36] 17-3[00:00] CD (ADD) - Tracks 1+9-14,17 (in 2 media tracks) as LOGOS Concert-media track index points: 1-1[01:05] 10-1[13:57] 12-1[30:39] 14-1[42:16] 9-1[06:44] 11-1[20:16] 13-1[35:20] 17-2[00:00] ________________________________________________________________________ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6039 Tour tickets (Leeds) offer Paul Nagle Sat 7/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 12, 1997 5:42 pm Subject: Re: Voices in the Dunes For Sale Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-07-09 22:57:37 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Robert Grabowsky I have a friend who has a copy of Voices in the Dunes he would like to sell.It is the soft cover version and the asking price is $125.00 US. If anyone is interested >> 125 bucks? Two words - and I can't bring myself to print them, but go sell your wares somewhere else. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 12, 1997 8:39 pm Subject: Totally Irrelevant post... (JMJarre info) Really-From: 'Brian M. Frick' Greetings, all!! Last Wednesday I had the most humbling experience: I G O T T O M E E T J E A N M I C H E L J A R R E ! ! ! ! Yes, I actually shook hands with him as he entered City TV (MTV/Canada) in Toronto. He signed a photo I have of him 'To Brian, JMJarre'. I am still a bit stunned, but it IS true. He was wearing the black clothes that he always wears in public, and those little round black sunglasses. He was walking with Francis Dreyfus, a Sony rep, and an unknown guy. I also took a picture of him, which I hope will develop correctly, for the sake of Ivan and me. I appologize for not responding to emails as promptly as usual, but I have had to work a little, and I had to sort through about 200 messages. I will respond to all of them as soon as possible. Thanks for the bandwidth :) Direct all flames to me privately. Sincerely, -- Brian Frick (Co-Editor, Equinoxe) Email: frickblj@w..., frick@b... Homepage: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ Electronic Music: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/emu/index.html Equinoxe: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html Now Playing: Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5873 Re: Totally Irrelevant post... (JMJarre info) Miguel Angel Esteban Sun 7/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 12, 1997 7:47 pm Subject: List Tribute/Rarity Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all- I guess it's time for me to wade in and 'warm' up the waters a bit! ; ) Ever since this thread started, there's been a tickling at the edge of my memory as regards this idea. I finally put it together today. Here's a relevant perspective I thought you all should see: +++++++++++++++ Taken from Voyager Magazine issue #15; interview by Henning Larsen VOYAGER: There is some unreleased material on the Dream Roots Collection, but there is still a lot of old material that is missed by Tangerine Dream listeners on CD, such as 'Ultima Thule'. Will any of these tracks reach CD? EDGAR: We've been running our own label for the past few months, which will start world wide in July next year (97), and all that kind of material will appear on our own label. We are still collecting everything because there is material for about 25 other CD's, out of Tangerine Dream's life history. So I don't know when and how, but they definately will be released one day. +++++++++++++++ If indeed Edgar was serious about this proposal, then this may put to rest any attempt to produce a List Rarity in the manner that has been proposed so far. But you can never tell... goozer PS: Subscribe to Voyager! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5877 Re: List Tribute/Rarity Mark Filipak Sun 7/13/1997 3 KB 5890 Re: List Tribute/Rarity TangerineC@a... Mon 7/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 12, 1997 9:34 pm Subject: D:Pacific Coast Highway Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... Christopher Franke Pacific Coast Highway 01005-82094-2 Sonic Images Publishing/Virgin Music (Publishers) Ltd. 1991 Private, Inc. Distributed by Private Music Private Music Distributed by BMG Distribution How much do I hate this recording? Let me count the ways!! Second, I must say that I do sort of like 'Purple Waves'. It's the only one on here that even slightly grabs my attention. As for this work in it's whole...I went about it like this: 1. How often do I listen to this CD? Once when I first brought it home. Was greatly disappointed...after all, this was the great Chriostphe(r) Franke! Right? Wrong. I gave it about a week and tried it once more. Maybe I wasn't in the proper mood. Manic Depression does that to me. Nope, still bored me into a coma. Haven't listened to it since - except for the last few days while preparing this discussion - about 4 or 5 times. I keep hoping to find something I've missed in this. Not yet! 2. What kind of music is this, anyway? Well, it may be done with electronic apparatus...but I wouldn't consider it E-Music. Or Space music, either. It's not ambient. Is it New Age? Sort of...some of the songs are way too 'New Agey' for me. But even on that level it's inferior. No, what I think he was going for was Classical Music. Primarily piano oriented works. 3. Is it good Classical Music, Then? First of all, I like and appreciate Classical Music for the most part. But not this. This is drivel. Chris is a brilliant composer usually...I don't know what happened here. OK, he has some interesting melodies starting off here and there on this one. But nothing is fulfilled, completed, explored. And it's all very emotionless and dull! This is not what good Classical Music is to me. It should touch your soul, darn it!! 4. Could I make music like this? As an aspiring semi-proffesional musician with not anywhere near the tools and resources that Chris has available to him...I can come pretty darn close! 5. Would I want to do music like this? Not a chance in Hades! I have done a lot of Classical pieces just for the practice and technique excersises. Once in a while one comes out pretty good...but most go to the Recycle Bin, never to be heard from again. I wouldn't even consider doing an album of this stuff unless I was Bach or Mozart reincarnated! (And I'm definately not). Neither is Chris on this effort, I'm afraid. 6. What is this recording good for? I thought long and hard about this. The only thing I could come with...I'd bet Undertakers love this! This was would be great for a Funeral Parlor. It's soothing yet unobtrusive subliminal background music to send the dearly departed on their merry way!!! But, if anybody plays this at MY viewing or funeral service...I promise to come back and haunt them forever!!!!!!!!8-O So, how do I really feel about Pacific Coast Highway? I can't say on the Net. But this is the most boring pile of Pacific Northwest 'bat droppings' I've ever heard. I rate it 1AS...simply because Chris did it. I still can't imagine why in the 'wide, wide world of sports' he ever released this ca-ca!! Graf Zeigen 'Same Bat Time, Same Bat Channel' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5876 Re: D:Pacific Coast Highway Mark Filipak Sun 7/13/1997 2 KB 5880 Re: D:Pacific Coast Highway Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 7/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 12, 1997 9:58 pm Subject: Re: interview Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-07-12 17:10:27 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Michael Fox Found this on the 2launch web site.> Thanks Michael! I just printed this puppy out. Much appreciated! Good article!! < Now in his 60s, Froese still works on multiple projects and new ideas. He tours ceaselessly, records every year and composes at will. Plans include a 'new kind' of opera for the Sydney Opera House, and recording an entire album on mogul Richard Branson's Virgin airlines. 'I want to fly on Branson's 747 to Australia and back, doing a whole recording in the air. It's something to do with satellite waves, some real weird stuff. And I know Branson, he's a real weird guy.' >> I thought Edgar was in his 50's, though? Wow, this next project could be strange! The Virgin saga continues? And an Opera??? (whew, it had BETTER be a new kind opera!) Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 12, 1997 8:53 pm Subject: Re: Totally Irrelevant post... (JMJarre info) Really-From: Miguel Angel Esteban tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Brian M. Frick' > > Greetings, all!! > > Last Wednesday I had the most humbling experience: > > I G O T T O M E E T J E A N M I C H E L J A R R E ! ! ! ! > > > > Sincerely, > > -- > Brian Frick (Co-Editor, Equinoxe) :-)))) Did you posted about that on the Jarre Mailing list? (clic.net) See you all in the CyberSpace. Miguel Angel Esteban -- wwWWww [o][o] ------------------------ooO--(__)--Ooo----------------------------------- Fairlight Jarre Newsletter. Fanzine by the Spanish J.M. Jarre Fanclub email : maec@a... web : http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/1176 Price per issue: 150 pesetas ========================================================================= From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 12, 1997 11:25 pm Subject: Re: Voices in the Dunes For Sale Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: PhilPDX@a... > >In a message dated 97-07-09 22:57:37 EDT, you write: > ><< Really-From: Robert Grabowsky > > I have a friend who has a copy of Voices in the Dunes he would like to > sell.It > is the soft cover version and the asking price is $125.00 US. If anyone is > interested >> > >125 bucks? Two words - and I can't bring myself to print them, but go sell >your wares somewhere else. It's really frustrating that even money doesn't get people turned on to the most important need of this mailing list: Information If those who have the best information refuse, other people will step up and put forth effort and get by with less information. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 12, 1997 11:23 pm Subject: Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i.e. Musically)? Really-From: Doug Pearson tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: Doug Pearson > > > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > > > In your estimation, is track 6 of 'VDM' > > > > > > 1- an extended remix of the 'Forest Mix' sped up, or > > > 2- a remix of the 'Poison Byte Mix,' or > > > 3- the same as the 'Poison Byte Mix,' or > > > 4- a reperformance? > > > > > > I know this is a judgement call. I would appreciate your judgement > > > > I wish I had the 2 disc version of DREAM MIXES so I could be sure ... > > > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > > One way to distinguish the Poison Byte mix is the voice of Darth > > Vader (I presume) about 2 or 3 minutes into the track. He is > > mumbling something about the power of the darkside.... > > > > Does this help? > > Yeeeeesssss! Brilliant, Michael! > > It happens at 2:10 into the 'Poison Byte Mix' and then again at 2:20. > > What say you now, Doug? Does the 'Touchwood' track on 'VDM' have this > D.Vader line in it? -- it's really subdued, so you have to listen > closely. > > Thanks in advance for a confirmation, either way it comes out. > It's there! Once you're looking for it it's not too hard to hear. -dep- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 13, 1997 1:53 am Subject: Re: D:Pacific Coast Highway Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... > > Christopher Franke > Pacific Coast Highway > ... > I still can't imagine why in the 'wide, wide world of sports' he ever > released this ca-ca!! I'd write of review of 'PCH' except that I sold my copy to Marshall Wood about a week after buying it -- Sorry Marshall, but at least you got 'Tycho Brahe' from me at a good price. -- Mark (good, bad reveiw, Graf -- I felt like I was 'there' with you.) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5880 Re: D:Pacific Coast Highway Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 7/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 13, 1997 2:02 am Subject: Re: List Tribute/Rarity Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > ... > Taken from Voyager Magazine issue #15; interview by Henning Larsen > > EDGAR: We've been running our own label ... and all that kind of > material [unreleased tracks] will ... be released one day. > > If indeed Edgar was serious about this proposal, then this may put > to rest any attempt to produce a List Rarity in the manner that has > been proposed so far. ... Quite to the contrary Goozer. We can lend financial and spiritual support and encourage him to follow through with it by actively participating or maybe even initiating a production. I find this encouraging and think we should press ahead with all deliberate speed. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 13, 1997 12:59 am Subject: Re: VIDEO DREAM MIXES: Anything New Soundwise (i.e. Musically)? Really-From: Mark Filipak Thank you Doug! Good thinking Micheal! Now we know. 'Touchwood' on 'The Video Dream Mixes' is the 'Poison Byte Mix' from disc 2 of the TDI version of 'Dream Mixes' -- apparently, the only one from disc 2 on 'VDM.' Good work guys! In the words of Morgan Marks posted today on this very list, 'the most important need of this mailing list: Information.' I love the net and this list. Cheers -- Mark > Really-From: Doug Pearson > > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > Really-From: Doug Pearson > > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > > > > > In your estimation, is track 6 of 'VDM' > > > > > > > > 1- an extended remix of the 'Forest Mix' sped up, or > > > > 2- a remix of the 'Poison Byte Mix,' or > > > > 3- the same as the 'Poison Byte Mix,' or > > > > 4- a reperformance? > > > > > > > > I know this is a judgement call. ... > > > > > > I wish I had the 2 disc version of DREAM MIXES so I could be sure > > > > One way to distinguish the Poison Byte mix is the voice of Darth > > Vader ... > > It's there! Once you're looking for it it's not too hard to hear. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 13, 1997 1:42 am Subject: Discography -- THE DREAM MIXES Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Everbody. Look below. Pretty izinit? This discography of ours is almost 300 K-bytes now and may wind up online. I'm not doing it for a book, CD-ROM or to make money -- I make my money designing computers. I'm doing it for all of us. I may write a browser too. Whenever you see a post like this, look for ?-marks. They are unknowns and are your chance to help. So help, please. Look in _your_ collection. Maybe you can supply a recording company name, country, or catalog#. Or just maybe you have a release that's not on the list -- contact me. We are the people and this is the peoples' TD discography. Cheers -- Mark (it's all about information and networking) PS: List lurkers are cordially invited to participate too. Confidentiality is guaranteed. :-) ________________________________________________________________________ THE DREAM MIXES [Apr 95] - EF/JF 1 Little Blond in the Park of 10 Bride in Cold Tears Attractions (Thai Dub) [7:17] (Motown Monk Mix) [5:31] 2 Rough Embrace [5:30] 11 Touchwood (Radio Edit) [4:02] 3 Touchwood (Forest Mix) [7:00] 12 Little Blond in the Park of 4 Jungle Journey Attractions (Radio Ed) [4:09] (Reptile Mix) [6:20] 13 Catwalk 5 Virtually Fields [6:50] (Black Ink Mix) [8:12] 6 Firetongues 14 Touchwood (Break Freak Mix) [6:18] (Poison Byte Mix) [7:54] 7 San Rocco [7:17] 15 Iowa [7:10] 8 Catwalk (Dress-up Mix) [7:49] 16 Sojus [9:19] 9 Change of the Gods [7:19] 17 Firetongues [3:29] %6 _____________________________________________________________________ Key: % excerpt Original cover: Yellow with sketch of dancing girl. Sepia cover: Monique, Jerome, Edgar in soft focus, sepia-tone photo. MC - Tracks 1-10 as THE DREAM MIXES [1995] Miramar (US) CD (DDD) - Tracks 1-10 as THE DREAM MIXES [1995] Miramar (US) 23073 [1995?] Virgin (DE?) [1995] Rigu (NL?) CDx2 (DDD) - Tracks 1-10/11-16 as THE DREAM MIXES (sepia cover) [1996] TDI (AT) TDI001CD VHS - Tracks 10,8,4,14,9,2,1,7,17 as THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES [1997] (US) (NTSC) [1997] () (PAL) [1997] () (SECAM) LD - Tracks 10,8,4,14,9,2,1,7,17 as THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES [1997] Castle Music Pictures (US) ID3761CA (NTSC) [1997] () (PAL) [1997] () (SECAM) ________________________________________________________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 13, 1997 6:13 am Subject: Re: D:Pacific Coast Highway Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Mark wrote in reply to Graf.... > >> Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... >> >> Christopher Franke >> Pacific Coast Highway >> ... >> I still can't imagine why in the 'wide, wide world of sports' he ever >> released this ca-ca!! > >I'd write of review of 'PCH' except that I sold my copy to Marshall Wood >about a week after buying it -- Sorry Marshall, but at least you got >'Tycho Brahe' from me at a good price. -- Mark (good, bad reveiw, Graf >-- I felt like I was 'there' with you.) > You must be my long-lost brother... uncanny... I would have thought that no two people could possibly agree about more than one piece of music....this makes it three, Mark.... with Banco di Gaia and Loop Guru. BTW, anyone else wants to buy a copy of 'Tycho Brahe?' (Although I do like CF's 'Purple Waves' as done at the London Concert A LOT!) In a slightly different vein..... would it not be more appropriate, when 'reviewing' an album/artist, for one to say : 'I really despised this music. I hurt my ears and I got diarrhea listening to it. I am still trying to recover from my session of listening to it, but by now I have been comatose for so long that I am brain-damaged.' rather than... 'this ca-ca'.... The latter implies that anyone who likes it, likes ca-ca. I dislike Aphex Twin (anyone wants 'Ambien Works Vol. II?') and most of Pete Namlook's albums -- with or without Schulze. Steve Jollife's 'Beyond the Dream' made my teeth ache. But, I wouldn't presume to call an artist's work shit, just because I don't like it. Am I conveying my thoughts on this clearly? Just my opionin, of course. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 13, 1997 5:59 am Subject: Re: Voices in the Dunes For Sale Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Alright, alright, If you read all of the post I said the 'asking' price was $125. Which means we would like to get that much, however, that doesn't stop you folks from making an offer on the book. So stop complaining and make an offer. Thank You for your time Robert At 05:42 PM 7/12/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: PhilPDX@a... > > >In a message dated 97-07-09 22:57:37 EDT, you write: > ><< Really-From: Robert Grabowsky > > > I have a friend who has a copy of Voices in the Dunes he would like to > sell.It > is the soft cover version and the asking price is $125.00 US. If anyone is > interested >> > >125 bucks? Two words - and I can't bring myself to print them, but go sell >your wares somewhere else. > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 13, 1997 12:06 pm Subject: Reeeeaallly? Really-From: Ian Shillingford >Really-From: Michael Fox >'Plans include a 'new kind' of opera for the Sydney Opera House,' Can it be true? Will I finally get to see them live? I hope Edgar gets to do this! A 'new kind' of opera? Perhaps they'll dispense with lyrics. Have the opera singers hunched over prop synths, miming to the musi.... sorry, I'm just excited at the prospect! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 13, 1997 12:06 pm Subject: TD CD sequence Really-From: Ian Shillingford Message text written by INTERNET:tadream@c... >Really-From: PNaunton@a... My favourite sequence is where one TD-CD ends and I get up to put on another TD-CD. This sequence has been going on in my house for years. Once in a while there is a variation; where one TD-CD ends and I get up to put on a TD-LP. Then there's the flip side................< Much the same with me. My work mates often joked that all my cassettes and CDs had TD on one side and Kate Bush on the other. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 13, 1997 3:15 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #978 Really-From: ashok prema A >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 17:34:16 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: D:Pacific Coast Highway > >Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... > >Christopher Franke >Pacific Coast Highway > >Nope, still bored me into a coma. Haven't listened to it since - except for >the last few days while preparing this discussion - about 4 or 5 times. I >keep hoping to find something I've missed in this. Not yet! >2. What kind of music is this, anyway? Why on earth are you categorising?? Looking for a neat pigeonhole to slot it in? And when you can't?? That's often the case with mainstream critics who have slagged of TD over many years! They don't know what category to slot it inot - so end up passing it to the Jazz desk to review!! And guess what - Suprise Suprise - they didn't like it!! > Well, it may be done with electronic apparatus...but I wouldn't consider it >E-Music. Or Space music, either. It's not ambient. Is it New Age? Sort >of...some of the songs are way too 'New Agey' for me. But even on that level >it's inferior. No, what I think he was going for was Classical Music. BULL!! If he wanted to - I'm pretsure he could have made it fit into that genre - after all - listen to Babylon 5 - if he wants classical - he'll DO classical!! > Primarily piano oriented works. >3. Is it good Classical Music, Then? Off at a tangent already then aren't we - with one simple illogical statement. > First of all, I like and appreciate Classical Music for the most part. But >not this. This is drivel. Chris is a brilliant composer usually...I don't >know what happened here. OK, he has some interesting melodies starting off >here and there on this one. But nothing is fulfilled, completed, explored. Yeh - and you're an expert are you?? Your music is all of these things I take it? - Why has no-one ever heard your output??' > And it's all very emotionless and dull! To you perhaps! I find the different tracks capture different emotions and paints wondeful images in my mind - I assume you do have a mind?? This is not what good Classical Music is to me. Your categorisation - I don't think the composer would ever say it was a classical album! It should touch your soul, darn it!! Well it does mine! I assume of course you have a soul??T Tell you something about classical piano music though - some of it is brilliant - but I've lay in bed some early mornings listening to classical music on the radio and - to my ears -some of it was the most dreadful , dischordant piano playing ever - I've actually thought - ' this is absolutley dreadful - who on earth listens to this stuff??' - but I also know there were thousands of people listening at the same tme - ecstatic at every note being played! Listen to some John Betjemans stuff - again - although its appreciated by many I found a lot of it unlistenable - but al though dreadful to my ears - I wouldn't have the discourtesy to slag it off in public - no more then I'd slag off music by The Rolling Stones or Tangerine Dream for that matter! A hell of a lot of effort goes into producing music -as you full well know - and luckily it is appreciated my most - pity that some ungenerous gits think just because they can string together 'Chopsticks' on the piano - gives them the right to slag off the effort put into that music! >4. Could I make music like this? >0 As an aspiring semi-proffesional musician with not anywhere near the tools >and resources that Chris has available to him...I can come pretty darn close! So why don't you? If you can come anywhere near this - you should have the courage of your convictions and release your own music - thats what Chris did......tell you what if your music is half as good - I'LL RELEASE IT!! >5. Would I want to do music like this? > Not a chance in Hades! err..............you'll probably find that YOU think your music is as good - but many will think your output is a pile of bats dropping and should be consigned back up the bat! > I have done a lot of Classical pieces just for the practice and technique excersises. Once in a while one comes out pretty good.. What - only 'once it a while'?? - and only 'pretty good'?? Doesn't sound as if you'll be living off your music for a good while longer then! >wouldn't even consider doing an album of this stuff unless I was Bach or >Mozart reincarnated! What are you on about?? - what has a reincarnated Mozart or Bach got to do with PCH ? For all you know - they might have thought it brilliant! >So, how do I really feel about Pacific Coast Highway? Who bloody cares!! I can't imagine why in the ' wide wide world of sports'you deemed it worhwhile to bother pasting this boring, opinionated ca-ca'd drivel for others to read! > > >Graf Zeigen >'Same Bat Time, Same Bat Channel' Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5885 Re: tadream-digest V15 #978 Paul Nagle Mon 7/14/1997 4 KB 5892 Nothing to do with TD, at all....or?.... Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 7/14/1997 3 KB 5909 Re: tadream-digest V15 #978 PNaunton@a... Mon 7/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 14, 1997 1:01 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #978 Really-From: Paul Nagle On Sun, 13 Jul 1997 16:15:37 +0100 (BST), tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >Inevitably-From: ashok (Chris is God and I am his priest) prema >Yeh - and you're an expert are you?? Your music is all of these things I >take it? - Why has no-one ever heard your output??' Oh dear....tch, tch... >To you perhaps! I find the different tracks capture different emotions and >paints wondeful images in my mind - I assume you do have a mind?? >Well it does mine! I assume of course you have a soul??T >Tell you something about classical piano music though - some of it is >brilliant I love this, think I'll use it as my signature...a real insight. >Who bloody cares!! I can't imagine why in the ' wide wide world of >sports'you deemed it worhwhile to bother pasting this boring, opinionated >ca-ca'd drivel for others to read! >Ash Ash old fellow, you're in great danger of coming across as a pompous, fawning pillock. 8-) Now if _I'd_ written that prevous paragraph as : 'Ash old fellow, you really need to calm down and allow people their own freedom of expression; after all we can't all like the same things can we? Why not provide a cunning counter-argument?' silly flame war. The joy of the internet is that people have different opinions and express them. Some agree, others don't and say so. That's great but when you launch into something like this you do nobody any favours. Chill out man! Oh, for what it's worth I personally regard PCH as an excellent album but if anyone disagrees that's OK with me! I CAN see some things that I know some people would dislike but then it's that old taste/preference thing again. If I don't like something by TD, the Rolling Stones, or little Jimmy with his magical organ, I'll say so. and in public. Why the hell not? If TD are surrounded by yes men maybe that explains why their current output is so bland? BIG 8-) Paul (winding the key...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ 'Tell you something about classical piano music though - some of it is brilliant' Ash Prema Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5892 Nothing to do with TD, at all....or?.... Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 7/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 13, 1997 6:59 pm Subject: 'Kerosene Dream'? :-P Really-From: Elana who? Here in Portland, there is some local band going around playing the local clubs calling itself 'Kerosene Dream'. I dunno why, but something about that really BUGS me, somehow... -Elana Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5896 Re: 'Kerosene Dream'? :-P Mark Filipak Sun 7/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 13, 1997 2:22 pm Subject: comments Really-From: Michael Fox Ash wrote: >>>>Yeh - and you're an expert are you??<<<< Usually I stay away from these things, but, Ash, get laid, will ya? You've put the knocks to David Hughes' music (which is really good, BTW), Grant Middletons' music (which is also quite nice), and now Grafs' opinion (which apparently isn't quite as high on the list as your own). So, if spilling some tadpoles will get you to lighten up, please do so. CHeers, Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 13, 1997 7:47 pm Subject: D: Trans Harmonic Nights Really-From: Boneheads1@a... Like the cover, Trans-Harmonic Nights is solitary and grey. There is an edge to everything. This is a very moody escape into electronic music. There is a wailing, mournful quality to many of the melodies, like the artist is struggling to transform his own cynicism into beautiful music. There are driving, intense rhythms, and slow, walking movements. The technical side of the electronics is more developed: swirling vocoders and fantastic sequencer transitions. Biking Up The Strand ends side one. It seems almost surreal against this backdrop. A short reprise of peace. Alone with a bike. There is a lot of passion in this album. You can feel things trying to break out of their limitations: the music & the isolation. There is that soulful churning coaxed from the instruments, as Peter Bauman does so well. And there are incredible crecendos! Dance At Dawn ends side two. There is a sense of constructiveness. There is a sense of expectation, of change, of unity. It lets us off from the intensity of the prior music with a hint of a vision. A sense of importance for that simplicity of focus - against the forces we faced to get here. Tim Scallon From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 13, 1997 7:47 pm Subject: D: Romance 76 Really-From: Boneheads1@a... Side 1: Bicentennial Present, Romance, Phase By Phase Sparse, rhythmic, jazzy, space funk. This stuff can be as danceable as any current techno I have heard. But it moves in a different direction. It gets quiet. It gets peaceful. The spaces between things open up up and become the focus where we find ourselves. This album shows clearly that Peter Baumann contributed much to the stylistic development of using sequencers in Tangerine Dream. This music is as individual from the Tangerine Dream music of 1976 as Aqua, Epsilon, and Macula Transfer. Peter has a great sense of swing and bringing out the human element of this music played on early synthesizers. He uses a wide variety of sounds running on concurrent sequencer lines to build a throbbing environment into which he launches signature voices. Even the 'snare-roll' sequencer punctuation is evident. Side 2: Meadow Of Infinity (Part 1), the Glass Bridge, Meadow Of Infinity (Part 2). This is another world. Again the rhythm component is strong, but now we're in marching mode. He takes several unexpected turns with the music. The classical path is explored mixed with more lovely unique synth voices. This is where Zeit and Atem might have gone. Peter mixes the familiar and the strange with inspired artistic blending. The focus continuously bounces and flows from one instrument to another. I have not heard anything quite like this since, and I think now that it's too bad. Overall, if withstanding the test of time is the sign of greatness, then in my mind this is a great album. It all sounds fresh and alive twenty-plus years after its release. I liked it when it came out, and I like it more now. I don't know the financial realities associated with this album, but I don't imagine it was a blockbuster. I wonder now what affect that had on the artist's following releases. Romance '76 is however a classic album, years ahead of it's time. I wish it was available on CD. Tim Scallon Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5925 Re: D: Romance 76 PhilPDX@a... Tue 7/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 13, 1997 8:44 pm Subject: Re: List Tribute/Rarity Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-07-12 21:29:21 EDT, you write: >Will any of these tracks reach CD? > >EDGAR: We've been running our own label for the past few months, which will >start world wide in July next year (97), and all that kind of material will >appear on our own label. We are still collecting everything because there >is material for about 25 other CD's, out of Tangerine Dream's life history. >So I don't know when and how, but they definately will be released one day. Oh My God!!!!!! I'm getting tingly, people!! Feeling real light headed at the fact that this material will some day be released. It's either that, or because it's 95 degrees out today. :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 13, 1997 8:50 pm Subject: Re: Tribute/ Rarity Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-07-07 20:51:15 EDT, you write: >Morgan > >P.S. You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant... > > Walk right in it's around the back, just a half a mile from the railroad track. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 13, 1997 10:10 pm Subject: Nothing to do with TD, at all....or?.... Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I am wearing these new glasses now, so I can read the tiny print in places... Here is a very interesting and befitting comment made by Wendy Carlos, which, in view of some recent 'discussion' on this list is particularly appropriate...I love her.... what an insight! 'What is full of redundancy or formula is predictably boring. What is free of all structure or discipline is randomly boring. In between lies art.' appreciate, and a quote I find particularly pithy is: 'If you find that a worthwhile task requires more work to do really well than you ever dreamed, you're probably doing it correctly. If you make it look easy, you're definitely doing it correctly.' I just thought I share this with those who don't have new glasses....:-) Andrew P.S. My very first exposure to electronic music (Moog) was about 30 years ago with Walter/Wendy Carlos' 'Switched-on Bach.' The 1992 'Switched-on Bach 2000' is just as fresh and exciting, as the original was. To me. Another historical glimpse into the roots of one of our favorite pastimes can be heard on 'The Art of the Theremin' with Clara Rockmore (Delos DE 1014). Absolutely wonderful. Sorry, no drums, synth or otherwise on this one. :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Rubycon Revisited, year? Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n_G=F3mez_Travieso?=' Hi, all: Somebody say me when did the Rubycon Revisited appear? Thank you. Jose Ramon Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5895 Re: Rubycon Revisited, year? Mark Filipak Mon 7/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 14, 1997 12:16 am Subject: Re: Everything to do with TD! Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > >'What is full of redundancy or formula is predictably boring. What >is free of all structure or discipline is randomly boring. In >between lies art.' In other words, why I listen to Tangerine Dream but switch off just about everything else coming out of music studios these days? Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 14, 1997 1:44 am Subject: Re: Rubycon Revisited, year? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Jose Ramon > > Somebody say me when did the Rubycon Revisited appear? 1995. Here's the scoop, Jose. (I've omitted the other releases of 'Rubycon.') Cheers -- Mark ________________________________________________________________________ RUBYCON [Jan 75] - EF/CF/PB 1 Rubycon Pt.1 [17:20] 2 Rubycon Pt.2 [17:34] 00:00 Rubycon Pt.1A 00:00 Rubycon Pt.2A 05:51 Rubycon Pt.1B 04:20 Rubycon Pt.2B 13:29 Rubycon Pt.1C 11:16 Rubycon Pt.2C _____________________________________________________________________ Actual times from Virgin, TAND 6. Parts of 'Rubycon Pt.1' and 'Rubycon Pt.2' identified on a promo version of Virgin/Atlantic, VR 13-116. CD (AAD) - Tracks 1+2 (joined by a 0:44 bridge) as RUBYCON REVISITED [1995] Evil Ear (IT) EVIL001 (pirate; heavily hacked & overdubbed by unknown synthesist) ________________________________________________________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 13, 1997 9:40 pm Subject: Re: 'Kerosene Dream'? :-P Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Elana who? > > Here in Portland, there is some local band going around playing > the local clubs calling itself 'Kerosene Dream'. > > I dunno why, but something about that really BUGS me, somehow... Don't let it get to you Elana. They're probably just trying to inflame you. :-) -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 13, 1997 9:54 pm Subject: Re: D:Pacific Coast Highway & Tycho Brahe Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > Mark wrote in reply to Graf.... > > ... at least you [Marshall Wood] got 'Tycho Brahe' from me > > at a good price. ... > > You must be my long-lost brother... uncanny... I would have thought > that no two people could possibly agree about more than one piece > of music....this makes it three, Mark.... with Banco di Gaia and > Loop Guru. > > BTW, anyone else wants to buy a copy of 'Tycho Brahe?' Actually Andrew. The copy of 'TB' I sold to Marshall I had found cheap but hadn't bought yet. I posted that I found it and Marshall replied, so I bought it for him. Once I heard it, I had to have a copy for myself, so the next time I found it I bought myself a copy. I think it's really good. > (Although I do like CF's 'Purple Waves' as done at the London > Concert A LOT!) Though I've had almost all of them, 'The London Concert' is the only Franke album I've kept. Cheers to All (even Franke fans :-) -- Mark (I still love ya! -- and I still love Chris, if he'd only get off the new age trip he's on.) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 14, 1997 4:06 am Subject: $50,000 IN THREE MONTHS -- READ THIS TWICE!! Really-From: ted@i... The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a look at. It can be started with VERY MINIMAL outlay and the income return is TREMENDOUS! <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> You are about to make at least $50,000 - In less than 90 days Read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN!... <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave some thought and study to it. My name is Christopher Erickson. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past twelve years down-sized and my position was eliminated. 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You too, will be making money in 20 to 90 days, if you follow the SIMPLE STEPS outlined in this mailing. To be financially independent is to be FREE. Free to make financial decisions as never before. Go into business, get into investments, retire or take a vacation. No longer will a lack of money hold you back. My method is simple. I sell thousands of people a product for $5 that costs me pennies to produce and email. I should also point out that this program is legal and everyone who participates WILL make money. This is not a chain letter or pyramid scam. At times you have probably received chain letters, asking you to send money, on faith, but getting NOTHING in return, NO product what-so-ever! Not only are chain letters illegal, but the risk of someone breaking the chain makes them quite unattractive. You are offering a legitimate product to your people. After they purchase the product from you, they reproduce more and resell them. It's simple free enterprise. As you learned from the enclosed material, the PRODUCT is a series of four 4 FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS REPORTS. The information contained in these REPORTS will not only help you in making your participation in this program more rewarding, but will be useful to you in any other business decisions you make in the years ahead. You are also buying the 'IT WAS TRULY AMAZING' 'Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this program. But conservative as I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was no way that I could not get enough orders to at least get my money back. BOY, was I ever surprised when I found my medium sized post office box crammed with orders! I will make more money this year than any ten years of my life before.' Mary Riceland, Lansing, MI TIPS FOR SUCCESS Send for your four 4 REPORTS immediately so you will have them when the orders start coming in. When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the product/service to comply with US Postal and Lottery laws. Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 specifically state that: 'A PRODUCT OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY RECEIVED.' WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO ARRIVE: 1. Name your new company. You can use your own name if you desire. 2. Get a post office box (preferred). 3. Edit the names and addresses on the program. You must remember, your name and address go next to REPORT #1 and the others all move down one, with the fourth one being bumped OFF the list. 4. Obtain as many email addresses as possible to send until you receive the information on mailing list companies in REPORT #3. 5. Decide on the number of programs you intend to send out. The more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more money you will make. 6. After mailing the programs, get ready to fill the orders. 7. Copy the four 4 REPORTS so you are able to sent them out as soon as you receive an order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS YOU RECEIVE! 8. Make certain the letter and reports are neat and legible. YOUR GUARANTEE The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this: you must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1. This is a must!!! If you don't within two weeks, email out more programs until you do. Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2, if you don't, send out more programs until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, (take a deep breath) you can sit back and relax, because YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE AT LEAST $50,000. Mathematically it is a proven guarantee. Of those who have participated in the program and reached the above GUARANTEES-ALL have reached their $50,000 goal. Also, remember, every time your name is moved down the list you are in front of a different REPORT, so you can keep track of your program by knowing what people are ordering from you. IT'S THAT EASY, REALLY, IT IS!!! REMEMBER: 'HE WHO DARES NOTHING, NEED NOT HOPE FOR ANYTHING.' 'INVEST A LITTLE TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY NOW OR SEARCH FOR IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5946 Re: $50,000 IN THREE MONTHS -- READ THIS TWICE!! Miguel Angel Esteban Tue 7/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Tournado street date Really-From: Peter Ravn Hi According to the a response from TD's webmaster in the web guestbook, the street date for Tournado is Sep, 29th. Voiceprint has only 200 copies for pre-sale - so hurry up :-) Best regards, Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5904 Re: Tournado street date feldon@p... Mon 7/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 14, 1997 8:54 am Subject: PCH etc Really-From: ashok prema From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 14:22:09 Subject: comments Really-From: Michael Fox Ash wrote: >>>>Yeh - and you're an expert are you??<<<< >.Usually I stay away from these things, but, Ash, get laid, will ya? You've >put the knocks to David Hughes' music (which is really good, BTW), Grant >Middletons' music (which is also quite nice), and now Grafs' opinion (which >apparently isn't quite as high on the list as your own). So, if spilling >some tadpoles will get you to lighten up, please do so. >CHeers, Oh OK !! So I DID get out on the wrong side of the bed - I think yesterday was definitely one of those 'bad hair days' - I came through the front door with a blazing brain ( Now THAT's A good album title!!) and switched onto the Digest to .....errr....... relax! Didn't quite work out that way - apologies to Graf for the outburst - although my sentiments remain the same - I should have been more delicate in my wording - which is what its all about isn't it - sensibilities and not treading on other peoples - , I was actually concious of writing my comments - and I wanted Graf to receive some derogatory comment just so he could perhaps understand what it feels to be on the receiving end of a little flak. Incidentally Paul - I would have stood up for your music too had someone slagged off your efforts - it just happened to be Chris they talked of - remember I got het up when Jeromes efforts and even TDs were slagged off months ago?? Glad you like PCH though..........tell you what though I came across a review of 'EXIT' done by none other than yourself years ago.......and would you believe - you slagged it off!!!! If we knew then what we know now heh!!! - perhaps you would like to re-appraise that album now in the light of their output since?? As for Dave H's effort - I've admired his album openly on the Digest - class music - we just like to rib eachother now and again ! Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5906 Re: PCH etc Paul Nagle Mon 7/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 14, 1997 10:22 am Subject: DREAM MIXES Really-From: Hilmar_Kraft@n... Mark Filipak wrote >________________________________________________________________________ >THE DREAM MIXES [Apr 95] - EF/JF > 1 Little Blond in the Park of 10 Bride in Cold Tears > Attractions (Thai Dub) [7:17] (Motown Monk Mix) [5:31] > 2 Rough Embrace [5:30] 11 Touchwood (Radio Edit) [4:02] > Original cover: Yellow with sketch of dancing girl. > Sepia cover: Monique, Jerome, Edgar in soft focus, sepia-tone photo. > MC - Tracks 1-10 as THE DREAM MIXES Mark...are you sure about MONIQUE being on the cover??? Wouldn't that have to be LINDA instead? On the front cover you can't tell, as its actually just a blob, but on the booklet it's definitely Linda....and why wouldn't it it be her anyway? Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5902 Re: DREAM MIXES Mark Filipak Mon 7/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 14, 1997 11:19 am Subject: Re: DREAM MIXES Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Hilmar_Kraft@n... > > Mark Filipak wrote > >________________________________________________________________________ > >THE DREAM MIXES [Apr 95] - EF/JF > > Original cover: Yellow with sketch of dancing girl. > > Sepia cover: Monique, Jerome, Edgar in soft focus, sepia-tone > > photo. > > Mark...are you sure about MONIQUE being on the cover??? Wouldn't that > have to be LINDA instead? On the front cover you can't tell, as its > actually just a blob, but on the booklet it's definitely Linda.... > and why wouldn't it it be her anyway? Woops! Thanks, Hilmar. A couple of other people have also pointed this out. It has been corrected. Cheers -- Mark (Networking works!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: CHEAP (and I mean it!) source for Rumplestiltskin (US only) Really-From: craigs@p... (Craig Shipley) Sorry to bother those of you outside of the US... If you have a Media Play in your area, check it out. There was a circular in yesterdays paper, advertising Rumplestiltskin CD/Cass for $0.99 each (the chain appears to be blowing off all of their Rabbit Ears' material; Kathleen Turners' name was in the ad but not TD). I haven't checked my local one to see if there is any stock there, so YMMV. Go get 'em! Heard TD's EXIT on the FM this weekend (the Tangent version), along with JMJ's EQUINOXE V. Seems they were having a Pink Floyd/Wizard Of Oz tribute for the entire weekend and played a TON of obscure prog material, with some electronic stuff thrown in. Too bad that this was just a one-shot deal... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs@p... ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 14, 1997 1:35 pm Subject: Re: Tournado street date Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: Peter Ravn >Hi > >According to the a response from TD's webmaster in the web guestbook, the > street date for Tournado is Sep, 29th. >Voiceprint has only 200 copies for pre-sale - so hurry up :-) Thanks, I'll wait for some unreleased music... :-P Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Pacific Coast Highway Really-From: Marshall Wood >From: Mark Filipak >I'd write of review of 'PCH' except that I sold my copy to Marshall Wood >about a week after buying it -- Sorry Marshall, but at least you got >'Tycho Brahe' from me at a good price. -- Mark (good, bad reveiw, Graf >- -- I felt like I was 'there' with you.) Yeah, Mark, thanks a lot for that PCH CD! Instead of posting my review of it (lest I be accused of not being 'expert' enough to be entitled to give my opinion) let me just say this: Anyone want to buy a twice-used (but rarely played) PCH CD? First $5 (includes shipping in USA) takes it. MWood NP: _Dawn_ - Eloy From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 14, 1997 6:53 pm Subject: Re: PCH etc Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >months ago?? Glad you like PCH though..........tell you what though I >came across a review of 'EXIT' done by none other than yourself years >ago.......and would you believe - you slagged it off!!!! If we knew then >what we know now heh!!! - perhaps you would like to re-appraise that album >now in the light of their output since?? You have a better filing system than I do then - I don't even remember writing a review of Exit. Funnily enough though this album marks (for me) the point at which the rot started to set in. Formular: 'allow a dreary drum pattern to punctuate the sequence, robbing it of any mystical qualities, shorter tracks, little development...' - I wonder what I said at the time? Of course compared to Troll's Truncheon, it's positively inspired and ground-breaking....and the PPG noises are cool.... 8-) Shall I amend my signature - apparently some people think it means I'm taking the piss....?? See ya! Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 07/07/97) 'Tell you something about classical piano music though - some of it is brilliant...' Ash Prema --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 9:01 pm Subject: Re: More Midi Files Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Philip Meyer > > Well, a few days ago I tried to post the MIDI files to this list, but I > haven't > seen the message appear back out of the list. > > It seems to have left my machine - I would have expected to see it on the list > > by now. Has anyone seen it? If not, I'll post them again (a separate message > > for each MIDI file this time!). > > I've also got the 'Too Hot For My Chinchilla' MIDI now, so I'll post that one > immediately... Nothing came out yet. Do you have web space ? you could have it there and send a link to the list. If you don't have web space I'll offer you my space ( I have more than 2 MB of free space), you could send those files to me I would store them at my place. ---Francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5983 Re: More Midi Files Philip Meyer Fri 7/18/1997 3 KB 6006 Re: More Midi Files Francisco Salgado C. Mon 7/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Live project: Some observations Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Mark (and anyone else following this thread), Regarding some of your questions re: material for a potential pitch to TD.... >>LIVE: Forget the quality of bootleg tapes. If the band goes for this, >>they should be able to provide soundboard tapes of excellent quality. >>The only consideration should be: WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE SHOW FROM 1980? >>This needs to be a 'People's Choise' album based on what we want, not >>what fantapes allow. To minimize list noise, only people who have many >>fantapes from 1980 should respond. The rest of us should honor their >>judgement. They should make their nominations based solely on >>performance, not the quality of fantapes. From my experiences, probably Brussels 1980 or Hamburg 1980 if you're talking the European tour. These are the only two that stick out in my mind as having spirited improvisation. Or course, there are probably some great shows of which there are no known fantapes.... There's also at least 60-70 minutes of unreleased music from the East Berlin Jan. 31, 1980 'Pergamon' concert. That whole show was pure new music (well, a couple of Tangram and Force Majeure references, but not much) and only 20 or so minutes is on Pergamon. Myself, though, I'm not overly enamored with a lot of it. The best bits are already on Pergamon (Quichotte One), I think. Quichotte Two is pretty much a studio creation. >>OST: Who has 'Kneuss' or 'Fracture?' Who has even heard them? Perhaps >>the folks who have recordings can make tapes and distribute them so that >>everyone who's interested in participating, can. This is different from >>live material -- there's only two to choose from, and unlike live shows, >>they could be very good or very lame depending on what the film >>producers wanted at the time. So I think the OST nominations should be >>made collectively. I'd count both those out. 'Fracture' is just, I believe an illegal, unlicensed use of the music from 'Phaedra' or 'Sorcerer' (can't recall which--there are a couple of these unlicensed film usages of TD music). There's nothing new on there, and TD would probably blanch if we suggested it. :-) 'Kneuss' is not all that interesting--I have a tape of ~20 minutes of music extracts from a video of the film. It's kind of like 'Ages,' (Tropic of Cancer in particular) but there's only about 5 minutes of actual new material there--just a repetitive piano melody played about 8 or 9 times as background. Doesn't sound like Edgar & co. broke much of a sweat composing for this film. Frankly, I've not heard very many unreleased TD soundtracks that are crying out for a full release (other than the music from 'The Keep'), and I've heard samples of many of them that people have taped to music cassette from videos. Though, I have to admit, I'd trade in my whole Jean Michel Jarre collection to hear five more minutes of the full 90-minute 'Sorcerer' soundtrack. :-) >>LIVE COMP: I like this idea a lot and so it breaks my heart to write >>this. I think this idea is stillborn. I can't see Edgar and Jerome >>putting time into this as a 1st project with the list -- the risks are >>too high. As a follow-on to a successful 1st project, sure. Yeah, best idea by far to me too, but yes, also the most time-and resource intensive on the Froeses' part. We'd probably each have to buy 5 copies of the first project to create the financial incentive. :-) >>STUDIO COMP: Depending upon what ownership rights exist to material >>that was never released -- I think the band owns it -- this could >>actually be the easiest way to go. The problem is, since this would be >>stuff that was never released, we don't know what it sounds like. Of >>course, this is really valuable stuff and the band may not want to >>'waste' it on a low budget, low/no profit venture. Again, I think in >>and around 1980 should be the target for widest list-appeal. Again, a great idea, but as Hermes pointed out, perhaps some of this is already in the works, per Edgar's comments to Voyager (which, BTW, I highly recommend to all listies as a valuable information resource, for not the least of reasons that Mark Schaffer and I write a comprehensive column about TD live stuff for it ). So, yes, encouraging the Froeses on that front would make a great amount of sense. And plus, as John Christian pointed out there have been rumors (from Midas Records and others) of a 1975 concert release on TDI, so who knows what may be happening behind our backs? Don't forget, TD has been touring much of this year, so who knows what may be in the works, but constrained by the band's limited time? >>STRAIGHT FORWARD: Only Edgar and Jerome know the logistics to bring >>each performance to CD (live or studio), what the legal entanglements of >>the various choses are, et cetera. All we can logically do is nominate >>material that we (the investors) consider to be acceptable. Of course, as there only exists maybe half of TD's live oeuvre on fantapes, and few of us have heard even that much, we are probably overlooking plenty of items that just aren't documented (like, for instance, most of TD's shows pre-1975). Maybe another idea might be to ask people (especially any 'oldtimers' out there) which pre-1981 shows they've attended and enjoyed most? --John From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 14, 1997 3:42 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #978 Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-13 15:24:30 EDT, you write: << If TD are surrounded by yes men maybe that explains why their current output is so bland? BIG 8-) Paul (winding the key...) >> Self-fulfilling prophecy, perhaps. The big E doesn't like the Staff. The Staff changes. The new Staff is more careful. The output becomes more limited. The Staff loves it. Life is wonderful. The fans grumble. Who cares? They still buy into it. I know I grumble, but I still buy it. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Any list members in san Francisco? Really-From: Alistair Hull Any of you fellow Tangerine Dream guys and gals (mustn't forget Elana) live in or around San Bruno/San Jose/Pacifica/Daly_City/Burligame/San Mateo/Palo Alto?? It looks like I'll be moving out that way (to work in San Bruno) for the 1st September '97. Please email me off-list (alistair.hull@l...) regards and thanks Alistair Hull From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 14, 1997 4:33 pm Subject: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' |!|!|!|!| Really-From: PNaunton@a... The London Concert July 14, 1997 Yes, this is what you've all been waiting for (not bloody likely) the review/discussion of 'The London Concert' I like this one! Chris Franke 'The London Concert' Published 1992 Purchased 1992 Sonic Images/Verese Saraband VSD-5399 'The Circular Signs Suite' is a marvel of sequencing and interplay, if it is truly an un-overdubbed recording, or even live at all. Maybe it's _not_ even a feeble attempt at a live performance, but there is that continuing little error in the main sequence on 'Purple Waves'....... Though, when it comes right down to it, it really doesn't matter if it's live or not. The music is good and goes beyond, way-way beyond (thank heavens) the canned music of 'Pacific Coast Highway'. When I first heard this, I thought I'd died and gone to heaven. The opening five minutes alone, brought back the classic days of TD in one 'swell foop'. That cycling noise and electronic percussion was literally 'Music To My Ears'. There is an Archetype of phraseology inherent in this music which hails all the way back to 'Atem', maybe to 'Electronic Meditation' The intro- running its course, I gritted my teeth a bit as that familiar 'PCH' phrasing of 'Purple Waves' more or less morphed into view. I hung in there like a real trooper during the obligatory subtle variations on the theme - - _but_then_something_wonderful_happened_, - - someone started playing music!! The extended variations took off for parts unknown, and I was hooked for the full rollercoaster ride. Sure, I know, the percussion sounds crappy and unreal; too metered and lifeless, but, in a way, it's one of the things which make this recording work. The Archetype continues to hold the true course, sometimes taking the helm, making mid-course corrections (Key Changes), sometimes relingquishing the wheel to the melody, while it spins its own diversions off to the side (Counterpoint). This is almost like choreography. A subtle, quick morph into 'Cloudburst Flight' brought back some good memories of the stellar team of Froese/Franke. Made me feel like Chris had not forgotten his roots. There are also some interesting Franke-ish effects near the end of this piece which I always knew were his, when he was with TD. 'Black Garden View' seems more like an obligatory 'intermission' bridge between the ominous sounding ending of 'Cloudburst Flight' and the darker 'Vermilion Sands', so I'm more inclined to overlook it on this recording than I was on 'PCH'. It is a bit kitschy (Overly Cute), though. Ahhhh, 'Vermilion Sands'. (Give me a soda straw, razor, and a mirror.) I always was drawn to this short-cycle sequencer style with the hard driven counterpoint lead riff laid over the top. Too bad it's so short. It ends, though, with this very Frosean series of chords: again, very nostalgic. An encore? 'Mountain View' 'Hey, guys? I've got a great idea; let's end this concert recording with a goes nowhere kind of tune, which is pointless, and unfinished.' Personally, I think this is a weak culmination to an otherwise great effort. (Which makes the following all the more pertinent.) Then I notice - 'two bonus tracks'? On a live recording? Wha? It turns out that these aren't live in the remotest sense, but studio tracks, perhaps thrown in to make the CD the appropriate length. They aren't bad either. I kinda like 'Dolphin Dance', actually, although the ending peters out a bit weakly. To be followed up by -- 'Private Diaries' really doesn't fit in the truest sense of the word, but by this point I'm usually ready to play a few tracks over again, so this is another musical interlude to cover finding the trscklist and push a few buttons on the player. Who is Richard Roth - also credited with the performance here, along with Chris Franke? I've never seen the name before or since. All in all, a semi-respectable effort. Certainly better than what I thought Tangerine Dream was doing at the time. Are you listening, Edgar? . . . . . . . . Probably _not_! Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5919 Re: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' |!|!|!|!| Paul Nagle Tue 7/15/1997 3 KB 5923 Re: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' |!|!|!|!| Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 7/15/1997 4 KB 5963 Re: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' |!|!|!|!| PNaunton@a... Wed 7/16/1997 3 KB 5971 Re: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' |!|!|!|!| Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 7/18/1997 3 KB 5997 Re: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' |!|!|!|!| PNaunton@a... Sat 7/19/1997 2 KB 5998 Re: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' |!|!|!|!| Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 7/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: About This Mailing List TD CD Project: STREETHAWK? Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, I haven't been following this thread too much because 1.) I am not too keen on a lot of live TD material, and 2.) the dicussion got real technical re stuff I don't know/care anything about, so I guess I missed the part that explained why music for STREETHAWK was not a possibility. Anyone care to reiterate what the reason was? I've got the pilot ep. on videotape and can attest to the fact that this is very good TD from what many here consider their peak period. In fact, the track that is on the LE PARC album is not indicative of how good some of the stuff really is. It's not that the track on LE PARC is bad, it's just that there's better stuff that was in the one episode I've seen. Hmmm, how many episodes did this show run, anyways? Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 14, 1997 5:18 pm Subject: digital gothic Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers For those of you in the US looking for the book 'Digital Gothic: A critical discography of Tangerine Dream' Please note that if you go to a book store here they will NOT find it listed in American Books in Print and they will probably tell you it is unavailable... You must try someplace that has British Books in Print. For those of you with credit cards, you can call Waterstone's in Boston at 617-859-7300 (ask for the british books in print dept.). They are a British company with easy access to this book and said I would have one in 2-3 weeks at no extra postage as another bookstore might charge for a special order... They said it would be around $20... (better than $125, eh?) For anyone without credit cards who can't find this book any other way, contact me off list and maybe we can work something out (trade, sell, a pound of flesh) lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7733 digital gothic Lars R. Jones Tue 10/14/1997 2 KB 28382 digital gothic tei waz Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB 28386 Re: digital gothic Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB 28435 Re: digital gothic Frank Arellano Sun 8/12/2001 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: How much would a TDI CD cost if ordered from a US store? Really-From: Steven Feldman Yeah, yeah, I know: you can't get an import in the USA if there's a domestic counterpart, but . . . if OASIS and/or TOURNADO never get released in the USA, what would be the going price for a record shop to special order it? In other words, what do TDI imports run these days if gotten from elsewhere than Voiceprint? For example, what does Ranjit get for TDI releases these days? -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5915 Re: How much would a TDI CD cost if ordered from Mark Filipak Mon 7/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 14, 1997 8:20 pm Subject: Re: How much would a TDI CD cost if ordered from a US store? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > ... For example, what does Ranjit get for TDI releases these days? I don't believe he carries them. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 14, 1997 9:05 pm Subject: Re: PCH etc Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... Anybody know where I can get an industrial strength fire extinguisher...cheap?? In a message dated 97-07-14 04:59:45 EDT, you write: << Really-From: ashok prema < - apologies to Graf for the outburst - although my sentiments < remain the same - I should have been more delicate in my wording - < which is what its all about isn't it - sensibilities and not treading on < other peoples - Okay, Ash. Apology accepted. Sorry I got your shorts twisted into such a knot. I didn't realise PCH was such a personal thing with you. I will concede that I stepped out of bounds a bit - especially the 'ca-ca' part. Andrew Rosza had an alternative replacement phrase that was better. (I would reference it, but I lost that days mail when you [Ash] caused my screen to melt down)!! If it makes you feel any better, I was planning to do a GLOWING review of 'The London Concert' this week. But I don't want to waste any of your precious bandwidth with that - or any other D:SOLO posts [perhaps]. Apparently I'm not capable since I don't have a mind or a soul !?!?! < I was actually concious of writing my comments - and < I wanted Graf to receive some derogatory comment just so he could perhaps < understand what it feels to be on the receiving end of a little flak.>> That's fine, Ash. I've been flamed before, and probably will be again. Not everybody appreciates my biting satirical style. I was prepared for a little heat. I just like to do my part to add a little 'life' and 'spice' to what is fundamentally a rather cold medium (the Net in general, not this list...we all have plenty of 'life' here...that's why I enjoy it so much)! I'll try to be more sensitive in the future if you will. Deal? Sincerely, Graf NP: Firestarter From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Logos mania Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hello, >>I don't have exact time indexes (I'll figure them out tomorrow), but part >>of my recording of Logos during previously released material is quite a bit >>different from the official release. The music on the other side of this >>tape and the other tape (containing set one and soundcheck- which was all >>Midnight in Tula, mind you) are quite a bit slower... Maybe from a >>different show. First, to reply to Mark F.--unfortunately, neither I nor Mark Schaffer have yet done a bona fide tracklist for the TD Europe 1982 tour. We're both pretty familiar with it, but we haven't done the nitty-gritty writing-down/confirming of the stuff. We will when time permits, but probably by then someone else will have done the work for us. But hopefully I can offer some feedback now. First: The soundcheck from the Logos (London Nov 6, 1982) Dominion concert is not 'all' Midnight in Tula. Morgan, if your copy is such, you may have a partly-wrongly labelled tape. The tape of the Dominion soundcheck I know of is about 45 minutes long and contains a lot of 'warm-up' sequencer patterns, but not a whole lot in terms of song structure or melody. It's also badly recorded (the sound quality is OK, but the recorder got kicked/shoved around a lot, it sounds like). I think they did play Midnight in Tula during the check, but there was more than that played, too. Second: As far as I know (and I may be wrong, but I don't think so), all of the late-1982 Europe shows (including London Nov. 6, 1982) followed an identical pattern, though the encores may have varied slightly. Therefore, it's not really necessary to distinguish between different dates on the late-1982 UK tour for this discussion, since they all followed the same formula. The first set of the 1982 tour followed the pattern Mark F. kindly posted for 'Logotypes' (which, I realize, doesn't help most of you because of the mostly imaginary tracknames and the fact that most of you haven't heard Logotypes.) That formula is basically (I think): LOGOTYPES 1 Infernal Device [3:08] <--these two bits (1 and 2) are similar, though not quite the same, 2 Hijack [3:22] (from THE SOLDIER) <--as the opening of the official Logos CD 3 Rush of Joy [5:10] <--- new material not on Logos official CD 4 Mirage [2:37] <--- new material not on Logos officia CDl 5 Desert Run [3:58] <--- new material not on Logos official CD 6 Renewed Purpose [4:18] (from THE KEEP)<--- new material, used in The Keep, not on Logos official CD 7 Dreamscape [6:13] <--- new material not on Logos official CD 8 Choronzon [8:08] <--- extended version 9 Tangent [3:28] <--- fragment Of course, index points #1-7 are completely arbitrary, as TD might or might not have broken the songs down thusly had they released this CD. The 1982 second set I'll have to do some work to figure out. Logotypes is missing both the start of Mojave Plan (which opened Set 2) and the end of set 2. >>So here I am listening to this music on this side, which is considerably >>jazzy compared to the released stuff (this music is around the 35:00-39:00 >>minute mark, by the way). And then there's a huge break in the recording >>and I tell you, it's either a different tape of the same show or a >>different show! Something's fishy here. I need a time machine and a decent >>tape recorder! Well, the break would likely be at 39:00 or 40:00, as that was the length of the first set. But wouldn't that time index in the first set have been Tangent? BTW, some info on Logotypes: the material it contains wasn't a rehearsal for London '82 or a soundboard recording of London '82. It's one of two possible things.... 1) Fan gossip has always held that this tape was a pre-tour rehearsal for the show, made in the Berlin Polygon Studio. Maybe, maybe not. How it got in fan hands....who knows. 2) The small improvised lines/details atop the main programmed sequences, at least in the first set, correspond very closely to an audience fan tape of the TD show at Berlin ICC, Nov. 15, 1982. So Logotypes may be a soundboard recording of that concert. Might also explain why fans say it's 'from Berlin.' >>Morgan >>P.S. Yes, I have no life. I am completely consumed by the mystery of the >>Logos concert. Don't worry, you're in good company. :-) I think I've been bitted by the Logos bug too. --John Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5921 Paris Edge Mike Livsey Tue 7/15/1997 2 KB 5930 Re: Logos mania feldon@p... Tue 7/15/1997 6 KB 5937 Re: Logos mania Mark Filipak Tue 7/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 14, 1997 11:17 pm Subject: D: Strangers In The Night Really-From: Boneheads1@a... Strangers in the Night is immersed in the culture that Repeat Repeat criticised. The artist seems caught in the pop 'feeding frenzy' and looking for escape (e.g. Be Mine, Time Machine, Taxi Taxi). The first-person perspective takes on an almost pleading vulnerability. I always seem to hear Life In A Glass House, long after the music stops. Where Tangerine Dream has occasionally ventured into vocal music, they have had the resiliance to move on and continue to explore other realms, consistently coming up with new concepts with which to inspire themselves. The pop song format seems too restrictive for Peter Baumann to remain within (and aparrently, judging from his output, he agreed). He has made some significant ground-breaking contributions to electronic music. Few musicians approach his range. Fewer still can maintain coherent consistency with such variety. He has influenced perhaps more than he will ever know. It would be nice to hear more from him again, on whatever terms. Tim Scallon From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 1:41 am Subject: Re: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' |!|!|!|!| Really-From: Paul Nagle On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:33:33 -0400 (EDT), tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >The London Concert July 14, 1997 > Yes, this is what you've all been waiting for (not bloody likely) >the review/discussion of 'The London Concert' > I like this one! I've not heard the album but I did attend the gig. It was certainly live in the sense that it was Chris there in the flesh and the guy on stage with him was a near-perfect mimer, adding nicely to the atmosphere. I expect the extra tracks on the album are those that Chris wanted to 'play' as encores except the whole 'organisation' thing prevented it (don't ask). If I'd been on the bill, I'd have postponed my entire set to allow Chris his full duration since that was the point of everyone turning out.... Must buy this album one day.....truly an excellent night's entertainment and the best 'TD' I saw in years.... 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ 'Tell you something about classical piano music though - some of it is brilliant' Ash Prema From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 14, 1997 11:18 pm Subject: D: Repeat Repeat Really-From: Boneheads1@a... With Repeat Repeat, Peter Baumann gives full vent to cynical social criticism using vocals & lyrics in a circa-1981 'New Wave' pop song format. It was a big risk. The result is IMHO one of the best albums of its kind. The lyrics are sparse and direct and are as valid today, as when they were written. Repeat Repeat attacks and challenges the very thought processes that are promoted by commercial pop culture. The songs are mostly written from the first-person and are obviously self-deprecating, using the entertainment media to amplify the perspective to the greater community level. I remember dance clubs playing this stuff when they wouldn't even touch Tangerine Dream. What is remarkable about this album is not the method, but the quality. The subject matter is addressed with passionate clarity. It does not sound forced, but rather intense by understatement. The grooves are rejuvinated and constantly liberate the listener from being overcome by the grim social irony. He sings with conviction. The songs take no prisoners. The messages are subtle and deep-rooted. There is a clear symmetry & consistency across all of the songs. It burns. Even today, where so much music from that time could sound trite and dated, Repeat Repeat echoes true. Tim Scallon Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5926 Re: D: Repeat Repeat feldon@p... Tue 7/15/1997 2 KB 5932 D: Repeat Repeat feldon@p... Tue 7/15/1997 2 KB 5933 Re: D: Repeat Repeat Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 7/15/1997 2 KB 5977 Re: D: Repeat Repeat Boneheads1@a... Fri 7/18/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 6:48 am Subject: Paris Edge Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) Hello All, Can anyone tell me about the 'Paris Edge' CD-R that recently appeared for sale. Is it a concert recording or some studio snips? If it's a concert, which year is the recording from. Also, what's the quality like? Any info would be appreciated; it's kind of pricey to buy without knowing how good/bad it is. Regards. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 12:32 am Subject: newbie/bonn concert Really-From: Martin Niedergesaess hello, I just subscribed this list. I have been on td concert in bonn/germany this year and it was really impressive. I dont know all the songs they played. can someone tell me a site where to find the tracklist they played on this event?? bye martin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 1:43 am Subject: Re: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' |!|!|!|!| Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate your message written at 12:33 PM 7/14/97 -0400, Phil. You wrote delightfully: [....] >The London Concert July 14, 1997 > > Yes, this is what you've all been waiting for (not bloody likely) >the review/discussion of 'The London Concert' [....] > All in all, a semi-respectable effort. Certainly better than what >I thought Tangerine Dream was doing at the time. Are you listening, Edgar? > . . . . . . . . >Probably _not_! > >Phil Naunton I was going to tell you that I am forsaking Mark, :-) and nominate you as my new brother, but then you end a delicious review a bit on the less-than-enthusiastic 'semi-respectable' note. I am not sure how to reconcile the varieties of experiences we (all of us) are having when listening to music, but to me, personally, music is a way of NOT being cerebral (I do that for a living). As such, my emotional reaction to 'The London Concert' (TLC) at the first listening and now, after several more hearings, is a great satisfaction of having been transported to wonderful places. My heart beats faster at the end of 'Purple Waves' and I would loved to have been able to write/perform that kind of music when I was dabbling at it (misspent youth, it turns out). But I had never had the talent. So, to my mind, 'TLC' is as good as anything Chris has ever done, far better than most. Please, someone take the 'Raven' off my hands before somebody reviews it and I feel tempted to be masochistic (again!) and listen to it, all the while cringing and grinding my teeth. Bruxism leads to TMJ syndrome, you know. :-( But, seriously, Phil, your review is excellent and I appreciate it. Thanks. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 1:18 am Subject: ......by sheer numbers of in print recordings....... Really-From: PNaunton@a... I was just browsing through some on-line listings of some music artists and I noticed that Tangerine Dream seem to have many, many more titles listed as being available than many other old timers, lie the Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Derek And The Dominos (just kidding). Is this a universal trend or something? Or am I just not looking in the right places? It seems a bit out of balance to me. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5928 Re: ......by sheer numbers of in print recordings GrafZeigen@a... Tue 7/15/1997 3 KB 5929 Re: ......by sheer numbers of in print recordings feldon@p... Tue 7/15/1997 3 KB 5935 Re: ......by sheer numbers of in print recordings Mark Filipak Tue 7/15/1997 2 KB 5945 Re: ......by sheer numbers of in print recordings TWeibre361@a... Tue 7/15/1997 2 KB 5949 Re: ......by sheer numbers of in print recordings Plumer, Scott Tue 7/15/1997 4 KB 5962 Re: ......by sheer numbers of in print recordings PNaunton@a... Wed 7/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 2:06 am Subject: Re: D: Romance 76 Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-07-13 15:53:04 EDT, you write: << Romance '76 is however a classic album, years ahead of it's time. I wish it was available on CD. Tim Scallon >> You should still be able to find a copy somewhere. I mail ordered one just last year on CD. Don't know if it's still in print, but it definitely exists on CD. Phil Derby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 3:01 am Subject: Re: D: Repeat Repeat Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: Boneheads1@a... > > >With Repeat Repeat, Peter Baumann gives full vent to cynical social criticism >using vocals & lyrics in a circa-1981 'New Wave' pop song format. It was a >big risk. The result is IMHO one of the best albums of its kind. The lyrics >are sparse and direct and are as valid today, as when they were written. Just to be the dissenting opinion, I purchased Repeat Repeat two years ago and have listened to it once. In my opinion, it shares nothing with his Tangerine Dream output and is shamefully Americanized. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Yes Martha, there **is** an 'Ages' CD Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> (....in which a fanatic TD fan encounters Edgar Froese's 'Ages' on CD for the first time, and nearly has a heart attack.) Well folks, I'm on digest these days and I don't know if I'm a Johnny-come-lately with this news or not, but I was poking in what I consider New York's best import shop (Other Music, West 4th Street in the Village, for any New Yorkers out there) today, naturally checking out the TD section, hoping OK, maybe somehow a copy of 'Tournado' somehow found its way to the bin. No such luck. So pushing aside the 'Book of Dreams' and 'Goblin's Club' multiples I suddenly did a massive double take. A single CD, with the classic uncomfortably-close closeup of Edgar Froese's frowning face, with an '$18.99' price sticker over his left eye. Upper left: 'Edgar Froese'; upper right: 'Ages'. Of course my first reaction: 'This has gotta be a mistake.' The owner of the shop must be foisting some bogus CDR production on me. Of course, bogus or not, I bought it in a fraction of a nanosecond and shredded the wrapping instantly. It's the real deal, people. Virgin UK CDVOVD480. 1978/1997 copyright. The dual LP is now one CD. The tracklist: metropolis (inspired by fritz lang's movie) 11:00 era of the slaves 8:05 tropic of capricorn 21:06 nights of automatic women 9:00 icarus 9:07 children's deeper study 4:21 ode to granny a 4:39 pizarro and atahuallpa 7:30 The front liner is a full reproduction of the gatefold LP, and the rear cover is a reproduction of the LP rear (EF looking down). Now I'm going to try to set some kind of dubious record and see how many times I can listen to 'Nights of Automatic Women' on repeat play before the laser burns a hole in the disk....I don't care what TD does this year: Rubycon II, Phaedra '97, etc.: This one gets my vote for release of the year. And now I'm getting greedy: What's taking 'Macula Transfer' so long? --John (finally finding something that will distract him from TD tapes) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5938 Re: Yes Martha, there **is** an 'Ages' CD Richard Bilek Tue 7/15/1997 2 KB 5965 Re: Yes Martha, there **is** an 'Ages' CD Simon W. Hood Wed 7/16/1997 4 KB 6114 Re: Yes Martha, there **is** an 'Ages' CD Mark Filipak Thu 7/24/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 2:56 am Subject: Re: ......by sheer numbers of in print recordings....... Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-07-14 21:56:33 EDT, you write: << Really-From: PNaunton@a... I was just browsing through some on-line listings of some music artists and I noticed that Tangerine Dream seem to have many, many more titles listed as being available than many other old timers, lie the Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Derek And The Dominos (just kidding). Is this a universal trend or something? Or am I just not looking in the right places? It seems a bit out of balance to me. >> Well, first, TD is probably the most prolific band that ever existed ( I can't vouch for the exact number, but I've read a lot of what may or may not be exaggerated figures on how many recordings they've made). And it helps that they have the will and power to survive the passage of time and the vagaries of the music industry; and still exist to produce new music, even with all the changes in personnel. They are a 'Rare Bird', indeed!! But I caught an interesting bit on the network news tonight (ABC in the US) about how the newest 'thing' in the music industry is what they are now calling 'Electronica' which is a pidgeon-hole for ALL kinds electronically produced music grouped into one. It seems 'they' have finally realised that the mainstream pop of the nineties is mostly garbage and isn't selling very well. They have decided to pin their hopes on E-Music as the next 'coming trend'!! Imagine that...is that a good thing, or a bad thing? And with TD being the Father Of It All, that could explain it. In any event, the age of TD could just be beginning if this is something they want to take advantage of! (I hope they don't just go for the $$$, personally). Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 3:10 am Subject: Re: ......by sheer numbers of in print recordings....... Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > I was just browsing through some on-line listings of some music >artists and I noticed that Tangerine Dream seem to have many, many more >titles listed as being available than many other old timers, lie the Rolling >Stones, Pink Floyd, Derek And The Dominos (just kidding). Is this a >universal trend or something? Or am I just not looking in the right places? > It seems a bit out of balance to me. Tangerine Dream has over 75 official releases spanning a 30 year career. Whatever relationship that has to other artists, I don't know. Of special note, they released 3 albums in 1987, 4 albums in 1989 and 3 albums in 1992 (if memory serves). In addition to soundtracks, of course. Or are you talking about the fact that most of them TD's stuff is 'in print', aka, readily available as opposed to other's artist's work being hard to find? That's a tough one. It seems that all of TD's stuff has been coming out on CD quite recently and all bunched together. Also the original master recordings have been borrowed and remastered with a Super BitMapping process which in all known cases has made for excellent re-releases on CD which make the initial chop-em-out no-effort CD releases (joke intended) pale by comparison. Have I got this one right guys? Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 3:26 am Subject: Re: Logos mania Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> > >First: The soundcheck from the Logos (London Nov 6, 1982) Dominion concert is >not 'all' Midnight in Tula. Morgan, if your copy is such, you may have a >partly-wrongly labelled tape. The tape of the Dominion soundcheck I know of is >about 45 minutes long and contains a lot of 'warm-up' sequencer patterns, but >not a whole lot in terms of song structure or melody. It's also badly recorded >(the sound quality is OK, but the recorder got kicked/shoved around a lot, it >sounds like). I think they did play Midnight in Tula during the check, but >there >was more than that played, too. I have an accurate complete recording of this soundcheck and it is as you describe. But as far as my ears tell me, the only tangible music heard is parts of, or the complete Midnight in Tula. You're right,they didn't play it ad nauseum for 45 minutes, but that's the only recognizable music by my judgement. >The first set of the 1982 tour followed the pattern Mark F. kindly posted for >'Logotypes' (which, I realize, doesn't help most of you because of the mostly >imaginary tracknames and the fact that most of you haven't heard Logotypes.) >That formula is basically (I think): Well, I will be comparing Logotypes to the fantape and figuring out quite accurate times, assuming Logotypes isn't too different. >LOGOTYPES > 1 Infernal Device [3:08] <--these two bits (1 and >2) are similar, though not quite the same, > 2 Hijack [3:22] (from THE SOLDIER) <--as the opening of the official >Logos CD Aha, we were tossing around the idea that it was Harbor Entry... of course, I haven't heard any of The Soldier, so I wouldn't know it if it slapped me in the face. Now this is wierd, was Soldier released before or after Logos? > 3 Rush of Joy [5:10] <--- new material not on Logos official CD > > 4 Mirage [2:37] <--- new material not on Logos officia CD Hmm... I tagged Mirage onto the end of Rush of Joy (I called it Logos-Orange) and considered it a bridge...Unless this part is something I haven't heard. I am using the fantape as a reference. > 8 Choronzon [8:08] <--- extended version > 9 Tangent [3:28] <--- fragment There, ya go Mark! Unless these are different too. The timing for Tangent looks perfect. The fantape I've heard of Choronzon has sort of a refrain. They play Choronzon in the regular sound (I don't have Exit), not really hard... then there's some big sound effects and they start over, with more thickness to the layers (sort of like the sequencers were skipping notes before but now they're all filled in...) Hard to describe, but it was about 8 minutes long... Mark is having kittens about now... >Of course, index points #1-7 are completely arbitrary, as TD might or might not >have broken the songs down thusly had they released this CD. That's how I broke them down when I made my CDR (which I have no more copies or masters of...a pity.) >The 1982 second set I'll have to do some work to figure out. Logotypes is >missing both the start of Mojave Plan (which opened Set 2) and the end of >set 2. I've got the entire Mojave Plan on my fantape. Exactly 10 minutes, then a 1 minute, 45 second bridge, and then we rejoin the Official Logos CD... >>>So here I am listening to this music on this side, which is considerably >>>jazzy compared to the released stuff (this music is around the 35:00-39:00 >>>minute mark, by the way). And then there's a huge break in the recording >>>and I tell you, it's either a different tape of the same show or a >>>different show! Something's fishy here. >Well, the break would likely be at 39:00 or 40:00, as that was the length of >the first set. But wouldn't that time index in the first set have been Tangent? Sorry, I was referring to the official Logos release (which corresponds to time index 47:00-51:00 if you look at the entire Set Two including Mojave Plan). Anyway, Mark? reminded me that Edgar supposedly removed some of the melody lines here (it was an 8 or 16 track master after all, an easy task) because he didn't like them... >BTW, some info on Logotypes: the material it contains wasn't a rehearsal for >London '82 or a soundboard recording of London '82. It's one of two possible >things.... Hmm... well, I have heard that it was handed over to fans by a member of TD, but where it was recorded remains a mystery...I hope it's not too different from the fantape and the Dominion show...it'll mess up my timing comparison... Thank you for your help, John. By the way, I forgot to send you the timing sheet for the Harrogate project. I will type it up the first chance I get. Did you get the tapes and Live! Improvised! ? I sent them FedEx. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Ages: AAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hello, So, I was so ecstatic about an hour ago when I posted the details on the Ages CD. Now I'm fairly bummed out. I just realized: The original LPs were over 80 minutes (83 to be exact). The Ages CD is 75 minutes and a few seconds. Something's missing. What? (John races to his copy of 'Voices in the Dunes'. Sounds of angst/primal screams ensue.) 'Golgotha and the Circle Closes' isn't on the CD. Virgin lopped off the last track to fit a single CD. I take it a 2CD set would have been **TOO** much to ask for. Now we have to petition for the release of a 'Golgotha and the Circle Closes' CD single . Maybe the extra track will appear on 'Macula Transfer', which is only about 35 minutes long. In 2036. When bacon gets airborne. --John Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5934 Hi, my name is... Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 7/15/1997 2 KB 5940 Re: Ages: AAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Hilmar_Kraft@n... Tue 7/15/1997 3 KB 5941 Re: Ages: AAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH CML Tue 7/15/1997 3 KB 6049 Re: Ages: AAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Sturminatr@a... Tue 7/22/1997 2 KB 6064 Re: Ages: AAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Pete Tue 7/22/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 3:31 am Subject: D: Repeat Repeat Really-From: feldon@p... I really need to start buying other artist's work. Like Network 388, and Marcel's CD. Anyone got Art of Noise 'Beatbox'? Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5933 Re: D: Repeat Repeat Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 7/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 5:21 am Subject: Re: D: Repeat Repeat Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate your message written at 10:31 PM 7/14/97 -0500, tadream mailing list. You wrote: >Really-From: feldon@p... > > >I really need to start buying other artist's work. Like Network 388, and >Marcel's CD. Anyone got Art of Noise 'Beatbox'? > >Morgan You will love them both. Guaranteed. Will keep an eye for 'Beatbox.' andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 5:28 am Subject: Hi, my name is... Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Hi, My name is Andrew and I am a TDholic. OK....here....I said it. Succumbed to the collector bug. Arrrrrrgh...... never thought I would. Just shows you how much I know. ONE more to go and I am done.... ONE. Anyone seen a copy of 'L'Affaire Wallraff' (aka 'The Man Inside')? Swap? Two Steve Roachs and a Baumann, for it. OK, 'Raven' too. AND 'Tycho Brahe.' Well? Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 7:03 am Subject: Re: ......by sheer numbers of in print recordings....... Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... > > [about 'electronica'] > > They [the media] have decided to pin their hopes on E-Music as the > next 'coming trend'!! ... And with TD being the Father Of It All ... > the age of TD could just be beginning ... (I hope they don't just go > for the $$$, personally). Edgar: 'Been there. Done that. Got burned.' '...... (( Hmmm.... But I would like to be rich(er) ))' -- Mark ('Tis but a jest. No way would Edgar sell out! ;-) NP: 'Rockoon' .... NOT! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 6:34 am Subject: DOMINION THEATRE, LONDON [6 Nov 82] Really-From: Mark Filipak Anyone with a tape of either the afternoon or evening shows who would like to make a deal, please contact me off-list. I want both shows. Sound/tape quality is not an issue. Partial tapes are okay. Bad tape speed is okay -- I can compensate (have o'scope). I plan to use the tapes to figure running times and track content. Thanks -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5950 Re: DOMINION THEATRE, LONDON [6 Nov 82] Plumer, Scott Tue 7/15/1997 2 KB 5959 Re: DOMINION THEATRE, LONDON [6 Nov 82] Simon W. Hood Thu 7/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 6:41 am Subject: Re: Logos mania Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: feldon@p... > >Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> > > > > [more details from 82 tour sets and 'Logotypes'] > > Thank you for your help, John. ... Yes, thank you John. And thanks Morgan. I didn't know what to do with John's information until you posted that the bridge between what I had as 'Logos 2' and 'Logos 3' wasn't a bridge afterall, but was what otherwise looked like a 'extra' track in John's listing. Ciao -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 4:56 pm Subject: Re: Yes Martha, there **is** an 'Ages' CD Really-From: Richard Bilek (....in which a fanatic TD fan encounters Edgar Froese's 'Ages' on CD for the first time, and nearly has a heart attack.) On official TD homepage http://www.netstore.de/tadream in section FAQ was a dialog with Edgar Froese: >101. Is there any hope that Edgar Froese's solo album »Macula Transfer« >will be released on CD? > Virgin plans to re-release Edgar's solo-albums, but we don't know >when. It looks like the first step was done Richard Bilek From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 9:01 am Subject: PCH and all that! Really-From: ashok prema Graf wrote: >>That's fine, Ash. I've been flamed before, and probably will be again. Not >>fundamentally a rather cold medium (the Net in general, not this list...we >>all have plenty of 'life' here...that's why I enjoy it so much)! I'll try to >>be more sensitive in the future if you will. Deal? Sincerely, Graf NP: Firestarter Deal!! One of the nicest human traits shows itself regularly on this Digest - the ability for us all to get on harmoniously and not take any comment seriously for too long - if the world was full of TD fans I suspect that their would be an immediate reduction in warfare by 50%!! Now onto TD stuff - I've been listening to 'Miracle Mile' and realised how similar it was to 'Shy People' - in fact the tracks could be switched across and the flow of the moods would not change - but 'Miracle Mile' was Ex- Franke - made me think that on Edgar dug into the Franke/Froese archived material a lot to produce MM. Lovely tracks on both cd's. Pity the movies were not much cop though - especially MM - a 'B' movie if ever I saw one! Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5954 Re: PCH and all that! TangerineC@a... Wed 7/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 10:14 am Subject: Re: Ages: AAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Really-From: Hilmar_Kraft@n... >I just realized: The original LPs were over >80 minutes (83 to be exact). The Ages CD is >75 minutes and a few seconds. Something's missing. What? >'Golgotha and the Circle Closes' isn't on the CD. Virgin > lopped off the last track to fit a single CD. John, that's bad news. I hate to rub it in, but 'Golgatha And The Circle Closes' is easily one of the best tracks on Ages. How could they leave that one off????. It definitely made a great closing to the album. It's kind of slow (even though it has KriegerDrums(TM) in it. Then a wonderful long, long, wailing FroeseGuitar(TM) in the style we all love so well. Goes on over several minutes, but is still too short (why couldn't they make *this* track the 21 minutes one, instead of Tropic Of Capricorn). Then ends on a nice simple slow sequence with single solo synth voice over it - the prefect ending to an 83 minute album... Aaaarghhhhhh indeed! Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 9:51 am Subject: RE: Ages: AAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Really-From: 'CML' > that's bad news. I hate to rub it in, but 'Golgatha And The Circle Closes' > is easily one of the best tracks on Ages. How could they leave that one > off????. It definitely made a great closing to the album. It's kind of slow > (even though it has KriegerDrums(TM) in it. Then a wonderful long, long, > wailing FroeseGuitar(TM) in the style we all love so well. Goes on over > several minutes, but is still too short (why couldn't they make *this* > track the 21 minutes one, instead of Tropic Of Capricorn). Then ends on a > nice simple slow sequence with single solo synth voice over it - the > prefect ending to an 83 minute album... > Aaaarghhhhhh indeed! Yes, it´s terrible; 'Ages' is a circle, and close with 'Golgotha and the Circle Closes', maybe with the first section of 'Tropic of Capricorn', the best album track, but Why Virgin not deleted 'Ode to...', the most horrible theme that Edgar has composed? Claudio. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Krautrock on the road Really-From: Peter Ravn Hi The old krautrockers returns... If you happens to be in Germany 18-20 july can you run into among others Gong, Faust, Ash Ra Temple, Focus, Guru Guru.... at the Burg Herzberg Open air festival. Ash Ra Temple will perform July, 19th. More info: +49 (0)661-79478 Best regards Peter From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Edgar, Sequel, Cleopatra, Astralwerks Really-From: Steven Feldman I don't get it. Has Edgar stopped dealing with Sequel, or what is the story? And if he has, why not try Astralwerks (home of FSOL) or Hypnotic (the sub-label of Cleopatra which put out TANGERINE AMBIENCE)? That would be one way to avoid the New Age moniker: join a techno label and let the PR hacks drone on about the Elder Statesmen of E-music etc., ad nauseum. What's holding Edgar back??? -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: AGES, MACULA TRANSFER, SOLO 1974-1979 Really-From: Steven Feldman Although 'Golgotha and the Circle Closes' has been lopped off the AGES CD, maybe someone at Virgin will get a clue and not only put in on their MACULA TRANSFER CD, but perhaps add in 'Baryll Blue' or maybe even the remixes from Edgar's SOLO 1974-1979 album. The latter has one great track on it, for those who don't know: a remix of 'OS 452' that adds in neat effects and a guitar solo of sorts. -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 1:57 pm Subject: Re: ......by sheer numbers of in print recordings....... Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-07-14 21:56:33 EDT, you write: << I was just browsing through some on-line listings of some music artists and I noticed that Tangerine Dream seem to have many, many more titles listed as being available than many other old timers, lie the Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Derek And The Dominos (just kidding). Is this a universal trend or something? Or am I just not looking in the right places? It seems a bit out of balance to me. >> have you been to any of the large(er) chains lately? i was at tower yesterday and they have almost every album available in massive quantities.... tom w np: eno - the drop From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 12:13 pm Subject: Re: $50,000 IN THREE MONTHS -- READ THIS TWICE!! Really-From: Miguel Angel Esteban tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: ted@i... > > The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in > taking a look at. It can be started with VERY MINIMAL outlay and > the income return is TREMENDOUS! > > <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> > You are about to make at least $50,000 - In less than 90 days > Read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN!... > <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> > Hi all.... I think that this message was not Tagerine Dream related... Could someone filter those annoying comercial messages? Thanks. Seems that the News are fully of off-topic messages... Please, don't do that with mailing lists, please!!! Kind greetings. Miguel. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 3:05 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #980 Really-From: Tom Richmond > A single CD, with the classic uncomfortably-close closeup of Edgar > Froese's > frowning face, with an '$18.99' price sticker over his left eye. Upper > left: > 'Edgar Froese'; upper right: 'Ages'. > > Of course my first reaction: 'This has gotta be a mistake.' The owner > of the > shop must be foisting some bogus CDR production on me. Of course, > bogus or not, > I bought it in a fraction of a nanosecond and shredded the wrapping > instantly. > > It's the real deal, people. Virgin UK CDVOVD480. 1978/1997 copyright. > The dual > LP is now one CD. The tracklist: > > metropolis (inspired by fritz lang's movie) 11:00 > era of the slaves 8:05 > tropic of capricorn 21:06 > nights of automatic women 9:00 > icarus 9:07 > children's deeper study 4:21 > ode to granny a 4:39 > pizarro and atahuallpa 7:30 > > The front liner is a full reproduction of the gatefold LP, and the > rear cover is > a reproduction of the LP rear (EF looking down). > > Now I'm going to try to set some kind of dubious record and see how > many times I > can listen to 'Nights of Automatic Women' on repeat play before the > laser burns > a hole in the disk....I don't care what TD does this year: Rubycon II, > Phaedra > '97, etc.: This one gets my vote for release of the year. And now I'm > getting > greedy: What's taking 'Macula Transfer' so long? > > > > > So, I was so ecstatic about an hour ago when I posted the details on > the Ages > CD. Now I'm fairly bummed out. > > I just realized: The original LPs were over 80 minutes (83 to be > exact). The > Ages CD is 75 minutes and a few seconds. Something's missing. What? > > (John races to his copy of 'Voices in the Dunes'. Sounds of > angst/primal screams > ensue.) > > 'Golgotha and the Circle Closes' isn't on the CD. Virgin lopped off > the last > track to fit a single CD. > > I take it a 2CD set would have been **TOO** much to ask for. Now > we have > to petition for the release of a 'Golgotha and the Circle Closes' CD > single > . > > Maybe the extra track will appear on 'Macula Transfer', which is only > about 35 > minutes long. In 2036. When bacon gets airborne. > > - --John > > For some reason I am not shocked by this (disappointed, yes; shocked, no). My question then becomes: Why didn't they remove 'children's deeper study' and 'ode to granny a', which are IMO just filler anyway. Who made this choice and why? Not that anybody cares what we fans think. I personally would pay a couple extra bucks for a two disk set, rather than get short-changed on the music. Just my $0.02. Now to hunt me down a copy..... Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 6:03 pm Subject: Hello Fellow Jet Ski Enthusiast Really-From: hogheaven@g... If you want to have your name removed from our mailing lists, please press REPLY and type the word REMOVE in the Subject area of the header. Then press Send. We will remove you from future mailings. ==================================================================== HELLO: We were cruising the internet looking for web pages and links dedicated to Jet Skis. That's where we found your email address. As a jet ski owner I am practically paranoid about keeping it safe from someone stealing it or just messing with it. That's why I have developed something that you are going to want to see. It's called Hog Heaven. Come to our web site, http://www.greenharvest.com/hogheaven and take a look for yourself. See you there. ==================================================================== Email Services provided by Green Harvest. Contact us for responsible 'direct' Email to a targeted group. http://www.greenharvest.com Thanks. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 4:59 pm Subject: Re: ......by sheer numbers of in print recordings....... Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' (edited for brevity) >> artists and I noticed that Tangerine Dream seem to have many, many more >> titles listed as being available than many other old timers, lie the Rolling >that they have the will and power to survive the passage of time and the >vagaries of the music industry; and still exist to produce new music, even >with all the changes in personnel. They are a 'Rare Bird', indeed!! But I I've observed this too, and I'm of the opinion (correct me if I'm wrong, e-musicians) that TD's music, by its nature, is just easier to produce than say, Pink Floyd. EM was, after all, a rehearsal, and many of their subsequent albums were improvised. They could have released every one of their live shows from that era as a distinct album! Another reason may be that they're not limited by conventional song structure, whereas most other bands are. The Stones have had a longer career than TD, albeit not always as a productive band, but their songs lyrics with several verses, choruses, etc., all of which has to be matched to appropriate music. My guess is that it's easier to produce music that will not have a vocal component than it is to write a song. Let's analyze a couple, shall we? Let's take Choronzon & Honky Tonk Woman. Choronzon consists of essentially three components: 1. Basic rhythm track, primarily drum machine 2. A melody 3. Filler (This can be, and often is, several distinct voices, including other rhythm tracks, background melodies, etc.) Honky Tonk Woman: 1. Drums 2. Bass 3. Rhythm guitar 4. Lead guitar 5. Piano 6. Vocals Bass & drums are the rhythm, vox & lead guitar are the melody, and piano & rhythm guitar act as the filler (though not always). Therefore, you have six distinct instruments, and musicians, to coordinate along a common line. In Choronzon, however, you have only three voices, although the filler may have several individual voices. TD's music really is very simple in its structure. The trick is using this simple structure to create sophisticated, brilliant music compositions using a simple structure. This is where the difference is between TD and lesser e-musicians. TD succeeds, many others do not. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 5:05 pm Subject: RE: DOMINION THEATRE, LONDON [6 Nov 82] Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Anyone with a tape of either the afternoon or evening shows who would >like to make a deal, please contact me off-list. Did all the shows from that tour have afternoon and evening shows? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 17, 1997 7:46 am Subject: What's the deal??????? Really-From: TangerineC@a... I havent recieved mail from this list in 2 days, what the hell is going on? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5958 Re: What's the deal??????? Florine Epure Thu 7/17/1997 2 KB 5994 Re: What's the deal??????? PNaunton@a... Sat 7/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 16, 1997 6:51 am Subject: Really-From: feldon@p... whois tadream Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5995 Re: PNaunton@a... Sat 7/19/1997 2 KB 5999 Re: Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 7/19/1997 2 KB 6001 Re: PNaunton@a... Sun 7/20/1997 2 KB 6011 Re: Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 7/21/1997 3 KB 6020 Re: KP Mon 7/21/1997 3 KB 6007 Hermes Guzman Mon 7/21/1997 2 KB 6019 Re: KP Mon 7/21/1997 3 KB 6044 Klaus Beschorner Mon 7/21/1997 2 KB 6046 Re: Hermes Guzman Tue 7/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 17, 1997 5:32 pm Subject: Subsrcibe Really-From: TangerineC@a... Subscribe. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 16, 1997 8:12 am Subject: Re: PCH and all that! Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-07-15 05:05:56 EDT, you write: >Lovely tracks on both cd's. Pity >the movies were not much cop though - especially MM - a 'B' movie if ever I >saw one! > >Ash Yes, a B -movie indeed. But a good B-movie you'd have to admit. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 16, 1997 12:02 pm Subject: dream sequence cd Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers one of you was recently looking for dream sequence on CD... (sorry I lost your message) Anyway, Ranjit lists it on his web page so I assume he may have copies of it ($32.95) lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 16, 1997 4:10 pm Subject: No Mail Today? Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Hi all, I got no mail today (16 July) from the TD-list. Very strange considering I get about 30 every day. Mail from others I got. Can someone send me todays mail (or digest), I hope I didn't miss something. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 7:45 pm Subject: Re: Raven was: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' |!|!|!|!| Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > Please, someone take the 'Raven' off my hands before somebody > reviews it and I feel tempted to be masochistic (again!) and listen > to it, all the while cringing and grinding my teeth. Bruxism leads > to TMJ syndrome, you know. :-( Andrew, you can have my C. Franke´s 'Pacific Blue' CD for your 'Raven' ;-) Anyone else interested in PB ? Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5972 Re: Raven was: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 7/18/1997 3 KB 5978 Is Peter van Dam here? Alvaro Castillo Martinez /Mat Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB 6029 Re: Raven was: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' PNaunton@a... Mon 7/21/1997 3 KB 6045 Re: Raven was: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 7/22/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 17, 1997 6:13 pm Subject: Re: What's the deal??????? Really-From: 'Florine Epure' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > I havent recieved mail from this list in 2 days, what the hell is going on? I also havent received any mail from tuesday afternoon - I sent a who and I still was on the list - I sent an unsubscribe command this morning and I started to receive messages again - very strange (I did not get any unsubscribe acknowledge)??? Who is taking care of the list now? Florin. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 16, 1997 9:40 pm Subject: Re: DOMINION THEATRE, LONDON [6 Nov 82] Really-From: 'Simon W. Hood' In article , tadream mailing list writes >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >>Anyone with a tape of either the afternoon or evening shows who would >>like to make a deal, please contact me off-list. > >Did all the shows from that tour have afternoon and evening shows? > >Scott > Unfortunately, no. There was only an evening show at the 'Apollo' in Glasgow (29/10/82), nor did they play 'Dominion' as an encore. -- Simon W. Hood From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Rumplestiltskin all gone... Really-From: craigs@p... (Craig Shipley) I have received a number of requests for the $0.99 copies of Rumplestiltskin. Sorry to say, but the Media Plays that I checked had no copies of either the CD or the cassette version. There still may be some in other stores, but not the ones near me (N.E. Atlanta suburbs). Sorry... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs@p... ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 17, 1997 4:11 am Subject: Re: $50,000 IN THREE MONTHS At 14:13 199707.15 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: Miguel Angel Esteban >tadream mailing list wrote: >> Really-From: ted@i... >> The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in I emailed a flame to this a**h**e and wouldn't you know.....the email bounced! 'A writer's real occupational hazard is carpal tunnel vision.' - Jake Stonebender /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 16, 1997 5:46 am Subject: Re: ......by sheer numbers of in print recordings....... Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-15 13:08:34 EDT, << TD's music really is very simple in its structure. The trick is using this simple structure to create sophisticated, brilliant music compositions using a simple structure. This is where the difference is between TD and lesser e-musicians. TD succeeds, many others do not. Scott >> Interesting analysis, Scott. Rather insightful as well. Thanks for the input. It probably follows, from your statement about simplicity, that Tangerine Dream music has greater staying power as well, since practically everything that TD has ever done is still available in recently re-released recordings. One cannot say that about many other groups and their efforts. I guess that is the difference between TIMELESS music (TD) and TIMELY music (everyone else). The 'old' TD music just doesn't get old, in many ways it just gets better. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 8:00 pm Subject: Re: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' |!|!|!|!| Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-14 20:49:45 EDT, you write: << I was going to tell you that I am forsaking Mark, :-) and nominate you as my new brother, but then you end a delicious review a bit on the less-than-enthusiastic 'semi-respectable' note. >> I suppose the lack of thunderous accolades in regard to this recording is probably due to the irregularity in the format of the recording itself. All of it _is_ good but I just cannot get past the fact that it is not a full concert. Those two little bits at the end just throw me, as good as they might be. The feeling is always like watching a video tape of Richard Burton's 'Hamlet' with a tag on of a couple of cartoons at the end; it just doesn't fit right. But maybe I'm just a greedy little bastard who wants everything and isn't afraid of complaining about it when I see a chink in the Taj Mahal. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5971 Re: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' |!|!|!|!| Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 7/18/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 17, 1997 3:48 am Subject: Release date for Synergy's Cords Really-From: Gary Davis As this list is filled with electronic music fans, I hope you will find this note of relevance. The release date for the next Synergy re-release has been set! CORDS will be coming out on August 15!!!! I have a new page set up for Synergy at . Visit it now and check out the details. You can pre-order Cords NOW!!! I should also note that for those of you who have been thinking about getting the Synergy Collector's Edition CD-R's, Larry will no longer be making the CORDS Collector's Edition CD-R after July 31. If you want one, be sure to place your order before then. And if you stop by, don't forget to visit my Christopher Franke page at . Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad@a... SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 15, 1997 9:58 pm Subject: Re: Yes Martha, there **is** an 'Ages' CD Really-From: 'Simon W. Hood' In article , tadream mailing list writes >Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> > > >It's the real deal, people. Virgin UK CDVOVD480. 1978/1997 copyright. The dual >LP is now one CD. The tracklist: > >metropolis (inspired by fritz lang's movie) 11:00 >era of the slaves 8:05 >tropic of capricorn 21:06 >nights of automatic women 9:00 >icarus 9:07 >children's deeper study 4:21 >ode to granny a 4:39 >pizarro and atahuallpa 7:30 > >The front liner is a full reproduction of the gatefold LP, and the rear cover is >a reproduction of the LP rear (EF looking down). > I found 'Ages' on CD last week and as soon as I saw the track listing I thought 'there's something wrong here - I'm sure there's a track missing'. But right at the time I couldn't remember which one. Needless to say, I bought the disc in an instant anyway (I've been waiting for years for it to come out on CD, as the vinyl copy I purchased back in 1981 was always pretty ropey in quality). Listening to 'Ages' on my Discman on the way home from the record shop I suddenly had a sinking feeling in my stomach - the memory had come back to me. Dammit - it's 'Golgotha and the Circle Closes' that's been left out. My second favourite piece on the album, after the atmospheric piano mid-section on 'Tropic of Capricorn'. Why did have to be this one? :-( Still, it's nice to have all the rest on CD at last. Having listened to 'Ages' anew, I have to agree now that some of the tracks do slightly outstay their welcome. But this is made up for by the fact that 'Ages' contains the 'last gasps' of some of the classic mid-70s Tangerine Dream sounds. By this I mean the beautiful Mellotron flute, string and male voice choir sounds. -- Simon W. Hood From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Some Chi Coltrane hype from 1972 Really-From: Steven Feldman For those of you who have wondered who the heck Chi Coltrane is, here is an article (well, a hype piece, anyways) about her from the inner sleeve of a used record I bought a few months ago. The article is from 1972 and is in regards to her debut LP, which--if not actually named THUNDER AND LIGHTNING--has the single, 'Thunder and Lightning,' on it, which was one of my fave tunes at the time it came out. But then, maybe that's because that's the first year I had a radio. (I got three radios for my bar mitzvah in 1971.) Anyways, enough of the trip down memory lane. Here's the reason you looked at this post: to find out a little something about the girl who performed the TD track, 'I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You': -- Steven Feldman and + + + + + + + [Columbia Records] The Inner Sleeve Editor: Mort Goode Volume: 72A3/4 Presence and Beauty Singer, pianist, songwriter Chi (pronounced 'Shy') Coltrane began her career in Chicago where local club exposure developed such a following for her that she formed her own group--'Chicago Coltrane.' She had come down from Racine, Wisconsin, on the first leg of a musical career that is now shaping into major artistry. Self-taught, Chi was reshaping the songs of Elton John, John Fogerty and the Beatles into her own kind of vehicle until last year when she abandoned the material of others and began to write her own songs. Of twenty special tunes she has written so far, eleven appear on her debut Columbia album. THE SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE says: 'Miss Coltrane is a singer, songwriter and musician (piano), which is not exactly unheard-of in itself, but she is also very good at all three and has two things going for her beyond talent--an engrossing urgency in her voice and a distinctive presence and beauty. 'Her piano playing is reminiscent of both the rocking of Leon Russell and the dramatic instincts of Elton John, depending on the requirements of the song, and--like both these men--she accompanies herself to perfection. She is, all in all, the most impressive new girl singer . . .' Chi says this about herself: 'Listen to my lyrics--my songs tell more about me than anything I could say.' -- Charles Burr From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 17, 1997 7:07 pm Subject: DOMINION THEATRE, LONDON [6 Nov 82] -- seeking tapes Really-From: Mark Filipak (Recent 're:' have dropped my name from this request, so I'm reposting... please excuse the redundancy) __________ Anyone with a tape of either the early or late evening shows who would like to make a deal, please contact me off-list. I want both shows. Sound/tape quality is not an issue. Partial tapes are okay. Bad tape speed is okay -- I can compensate (have o'scope). I plan to use the tapes to figure running times and track content. Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 17, 1997 8:05 pm Subject: Concert-info (non TD) Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Hi all, Seems we're back online. *Wait with hitting the DEL-key* This is some concert-info I got from the guy who runs Alfa-Centauri in Holland. Alfa-Centauri (part of KLEM) now exists 5 years and they want to celebrate it. There will be a concert by Vidna Obmana and Steve Roach. And they asked me to perform before them for an hour or so. Well, I can't turn down their offer. I will play some parts of the Impulse CD and a long new track. So, if you want to see me and Obmana/Roach live in action and you have nothing else to do in November then Holland is the place to be. Full promo-info below: --------------------- alfa-centauri 5 year anniversary concert on november 1, 1997 location: theatre 3-in-1 in Huizen, the netherlands box office will open at 1800 hours concert of Free System Project at 1900 hours concert of Vidna Obmana/Steve Roach at 2030 hours ticket prices: 20,00 guilders in advance (from august 1 till october 15) 22,50 at box office 10,00 guilders for a-centauri members (only advance) reservation of tickets possible by sending eurocheque or cash money to stichting alfa-centauri po box 1131 NL-1270 BC Huizen the netherlands reserved and payed tickets will be held at the box office or people can contact (+31) 35 52 65635 or (+31) 35 52 67679 we can send route descriptions etc. on request people from netherlands can also pay via our bank account nr ABN AMRO 55.44.80.638 dedicated to stichting alfa-centauri, Huizen (banks giro 32750) beginning of august we will send a mailing out to our 'network' with a flyer and all details regarding ticket reservations, location, route description, times etc etc if people want to receive that mailing, they can send us an email (eric.snelders@d...) or send a postcard or letter to the adress mentioned above (or just simply call us), we will put their name/adress on the mailing list ------------------------ If some of you are on other mailing-lists, don't hesitate to let them know about this concert-info. I will probably mail this message a few times more, because there are always people on holiday or just joining this list. (Once in 3 wks orso). Thanks for your time and interest! Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... (I know, I know, there should be pics on my page by now. But I just got the damn scanner to work) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 17, 1997 8:55 pm Subject: Ratikon Really-From: feldon@p... I got Ratikon (Tangerine Dream, March 1st, 1982, Melbourne Australia) out of my mailbox, popped it in my car stereo, and drove to a movie theatre. I heard a grand total of 35 minutes of it. It contains many themes from White Eagle, I didn't hear anything really original, but it's still a treat and worth owning ,even if you have White Eagle. I stopped the CD, went inside the theatre and enjoyed Men In Black, a really amazing movie if you ask me. When I got outside, something was amiss. I could hear the sound my engine running. This was odd, so I accelerated my walking until I got within close range of the car. Had I locked my keys in the car with the engine running? No way, I thought. Lo and behold, I opened the door and what did I see? Wires hanging out of my dashboard where the radio used to be and two cute little purple gloves, turned inside out on my passenger seat, with entrails of the steering column on the floor. 'Thank God,' I thought, as I attempted to turn the steering wheel and it wouldn't. Obviously, the fucker intended to steal the car but after ripping open the steering column and deftly starting the car, the steering wheel LOCKED upon half-a-turn, a not-well-known trait of 1989 Mustangs. Of course, he took the Ratikon CD contained in the player... Morgan feldon@p... P.S. Red Mustang Convertibles are the #1 stolen car in America. What's more, I saw a Hispanic guy walk past the car twice, almost pacing. I didn't even think about the possibility that my car was in danger, but I did get a good look at him. Maybe the police will raid his house months from now and discover the CD... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5982 Re: Ratikon Plumer, Scott Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB 5985 Re: Ratikon TangerineC@a... Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB 5989 Re: Ratikon John Christian Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB 5991 Re: Ratikon feldon@p... Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB 5996 Re: Ratikon PNaunton@a... Sat 7/19/1997 2 KB 34617 Ratikon Kevin Bailey Mon 7/1/2002 2 KB 34623 Ratikon Morgan Feldon Mon 7/1/2002 3 KB 34626 Re: Ratikon Phil White Mon 7/1/2002 3 KB 34648 Re: Ratikon Gustavo Jobim Tue 7/2/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 17, 1997 11:23 pm Subject: Re: UK Tourdates Really-From: 'Martin Fellis' ---------- From: tadream mailing list To: tadream@c... Subject: UK Tourdates Date: 17 July 1997 12:40 Really-From: Peter Ravn Hi TDreamers News from the TD web: This are the U.K. dates: Date, Venue, Box Office Phone, Ticket price Wed, 10/29/97 BRISTOL Colston Hall 0117 9223683 £14.00 Thu, 10/30/97 NOTTINGHAM Royal Concert Hall 0115 9482626 £14.00 Sat, 11/01/97 GLASGOW Royal Concert Hall 0141 2275511 £14.00 Sun, 11/02/97 LEEDS Town & Country Club 0113 2800100 £14.00 Mon, 11/03/97 BIRMINGHAM Symphony Hall 0121 2123333 £14.00 Tue, 11/04/97 MANCHESTER Apollo 0161 2422560 £14.00 Thu, 11/06/97 LONDON Shepherds Bush Empire 0181 7407474 £14.50 Tickets available from venue box offices and usual agents, or by credit card on the above telephone numbers. This list was last updated on Thu, 07/17/97. Best regards, Peter ---------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 18, 1997 12:44 am Subject: Re: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' |!|!|!|!| Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate your message written at 04:00 PM 7/15/97 -0400, tadream mailing list. You wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > >In a message dated 97-07-14 20:49:45 EDT, you write: > ><< I was going to tell you that I am forsaking Mark, :-) and nominate > you as my new brother, but then you end a delicious review a bit on > the less-than-enthusiastic 'semi-respectable' note. > >> > > I suppose the lack of thunderous accolades in regard to this >recording is probably due to the irregularity in the format of the recording >itself. All of it _is_ good but I just cannot get past the fact that it is >not a full concert. Those two little bits at the end just throw me, as good >as they might be. The feeling is always like watching a video tape of >Richard Burton's 'Hamlet' with a tag on of a couple of cartoons at the end; >it just doesn't fit right. But maybe I'm just a greedy little bastard who >wants everything and isn't afraid of complaining about it when I see a chink >in the Taj Mahal. > >Phil Naunton > Of course. And quite seriosuly I think you will find that most of us agree with you. I was just teasing you. I remember saying here earlier that PCH was like a so-so appetizer to the excellent full course of 'The London Concert.' Quod dixi, dixi.... Andrew (from the Heart of Dixie - Birmingham, Alabama --- in view of the last series of TD concert dates and venues, clearly the wrong Birmingham... ouch!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 18, 1997 12:36 am Subject: Re: Raven was: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' |!|!|!|!| Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate your message written at 09:45 PM 7/15/97 +0200, tadream mailing list. You wrote: >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > >> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> >> Please, someone take the 'Raven' off my hands before somebody >> reviews it and I feel tempted to be masochistic (again!) and listen >> to it, all the while cringing and grinding my teeth. Bruxism leads >> to TMJ syndrome, you know. :-( > >Andrew, you can have my C. Franke´s 'Pacific Blue' CD for your 'Raven' ;-) > >Anyone else interested in PB ? > >Jens > Actually I am OK with Christoph Franke in almost all his endeavors except when he goes Yanni on us or TRIES to sing. Ugh! But, Jens....you get hold of 'L'Affaire Wallraff' for me and we can talk some significant trading. Unfortunately, all Chris' stuff on Sony gets sent to me automatically. I said, unfortunately, and I mean it. It seems. At least I have a poster. Best, Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5978 Is Peter van Dam here? Alvaro Castillo Martinez /Mat Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 18, 1997 12:50 am Subject: Good recent shopping experience... Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Just a little note: My recent experience with Super Collector has been exceptional. They have a very decent list of TD soundtracks. In stock, at advertised prices, delivered in 4 days to Birmingham (USA). I thought y'all would like to know. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 17, 1997 11:50 pm Subject: [Fwd: Ages] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Auction Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! Well, it's time to clear some space in my studio, so I can see the floor again! ; ) There are a few rare goodies in here...read carefully and follow the rules... RULES: 1- All prices listed are US$ minimum bids. Highest bid wins. If you think it's too high, don't bid. HOWEVER, IF YOU WHINE TO THE LIST ABOUT THE PRICES YOU FORFEIT YOU RIGHT TO BID! 2- All bids are to be sent to my e-mail address. DO NOT REPLY TO THE LIST! IF YOU DO YOU FORFIET YOUR RIGHT TO BID! (And no, I won't listen to 'oops, it was an accident.' Learn how to use your e-mail program.) 3- Auction closes Sunday, July 27. Period. VINYL LOOT: ($75) Orange Festival LP & 45, no covers (2 sets; price for each) (-/m) (sold as set only!) ($25) Orange Festival 45 (2 copies; price for each) (-/m) ($15) Das Madchen auf der Treppe 45 (g/vg) ($15) Warsaw in the Sun 45 (vg/vg+) ($25) Warsaw in the Sun 12' (vg/vg) ($75) 'Poland Collectors' Set': 2LP Picture Disk, Warsaw shaped 45 (-/vg+) (sold as set only!) ($10) Streethawk 12' c/o (g/m) ($20) Streethawk 12' (vg/m) ($20) Dolphin Dance 12' (vg/m) ($30) Ages (EF) (vg/vg) CD LOOT: ($40) Heartbreakers (original issue) ($75) A Time for Heroes ($25) Tyger (original issue) ($60) Antarktis/20th Century Serenades (sold as set only!) ($30) Mystery Tracks (2 copies; price for each) ($20) Rockoon Special Edition CD5 (2 copies; price for each) ($20) Dreamtime CD5 (4 copies; price for each) ($20) Shepards Bush CD5 (#'s 343, 344; price for each) ($50) Rare Trax 2 (#'s 13, 14, 15; price for each) ($20) Dig It (KS) ($25) Wuivend Reit (JS) (original US issue) MISC. LOOT: ($20) '81 Elektra Promo B/W Photo (3 copies; price for each) ($25) '92 Tour Book (4 copies; price for each) Let the bidding begin! goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5981 Re: Auction Ken Alexander Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB 8398 Auction Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 11/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 18, 1997 1:31 am Subject: Oasis hits Montreal--sort of Really-From: Gabe Yedid I found a copy of _Oasis_ (on CD) at Rock En Stock in Montreal today. For $35 Can. plus taxes, it can be yours (it's an import). Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 18, 1997 1:33 am Subject: Re: Re: D: Repeat Repeat Really-From: Boneheads1@a... On: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 22:01:49 -0500 (CDT) You Wrote >Subject: Re: D: Repeat Repeat >Really-From: feldon@p... >>Really-From: Boneheads1@a... >> >> >>With Repeat Repeat, Peter Baumann gives full vent to cynical social criticism >>using vocals & lyrics in a circa-1981 'New Wave' pop song format. It was a >>big risk. The result is IMHO one of the best albums of its kind. The lyrics >>are sparse and direct and are as valid today, as when they were written. >Just to be the dissenting opinion, I purchased Repeat Repeat two years ago >and have listened to it once. In my opinion, it shares nothing with his >Tangerine Dream output and is shamefully Americanized. >Morgan If by 'Americanized' you mean commercial, I agree, although I'm not sure about the 'shamefully' part. Perhaps I'm too immersed in American culture, but Repeat-Repeat really sounds to me like it is a sincere criticism of 'commercial' culture. And it has a very wonderful German accent. Perhaps in the way Frank Zappa recorded parodies of 50's be-bop music on Reuben And The Jets. The result takes the best aspects of the style with heavy overtones of the artist's personality to make a very ironic artistic statement. In other words, it doesn't sound to me like he was just in it for the money. I think he had something he needed to say. Perhaps he found electronic instrumental music too limited for his inspiration. I think Strangers In The Night is much more immersed in commerciality. I also agree that Repeat-Repeat is very different from Tangerine Dream. I think, if anything, it should be viewed on its own terms. I think it compares very well with other music of that vein, say Lene Lovich or Gary Neuman. I think the style (including American instruments like electric guitars & trap sets) has been fairly globalized. And I think we're all the better for it, although like anything that is commercially successful, it is exposed to abuse. I am most impressed that he stepped out of the confines of Tangerine Dream to produce a fairly successful album in a totally different style, with admirable intensity and originality. I am not longing for more of that style of music, but I can't seem to get enough of that courage and originality. Tim Scallon From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 18, 1997 1:55 am Subject: Is Peter van Dam here? Really-From: Alvaro Castillo Martinez /Mat Hello. Sorry for the message here but I arranged a deal with Peter van Dam and still have no news about him. Has anyone here known of him lately? Thanks. -Alvaro. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Selling Your Grandmother (ODE TO GRANNY Z?) Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Auction >Date: Thu, 17 Jul 97 19:36:46 -0500 (CDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >CD LOOT: >($75) A Time for Heroes I can see $75.00 being the *winning* bid, but the *minimum opening bid*? Ouch. >($25) Tyger (original issue) What, the Jive Elektro (there's a sealed one at a local shop for $10 where I live), or the original US release, or the one with Vigour? >MISC. LOOT: >($20) '81 Elektra Promo B/W Photo (3 copies; price for each) Ouch. There's a 5' x 7' photo of Tori Amos from the days of her original band, Tori Can't Read, for $35 at a local record shop that has been there for about 6 months now. Any guesses why? ;) >RULES: >1- All prices listed are US$ minimum bids. Highest bid wins. If you think >it's too high, don't bid. HOWEVER, IF YOU WHINE TO THE LIST ABOUT THE >PRICES YOU FORFEIT YOU RIGHT TO BID! Whine, whine. Gee wilikers, I guess that means I won't win any of my non-bids. Silly me. X-0 Oh well. ;) -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Vouching for Peter van Dam Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Is Peter van Dam here? >Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:55:53 -0500 (CDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Alvaro Castillo Martinez /Mat > >Sorry for the message here but I arranged a deal with Peter van Dam and >still have no news about him. Has anyone here known of him lately? He takes a little while because he's busy with other things, but the wait is worth it. His stuff is in perfect shape. I ordered the second Clearwater LP from him, assuming it would be a UK copy, but... it was a Japanese one! Yow! (Japanese vinyl is the best there is, in case the significance of this distinction eludes you.) -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 18, 1997 2:35 am Subject: Re: Auction Really-From: Ken Alexander > ($25) Tyger (original issue) > ($20) Dig It (KS) I bid $9 for each of these to everyone. Whoops, I mean that $9 is the price that *I'm* selling them for. Along with several other Schulze and TD items... http://polyphemus.engin.umich.edu/kalex/music-fs.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 18, 1997 12:16 pm Subject: RE: Ratikon Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >more, I saw a Hispanic guy walk past the car twice, almost pacing. I didn't >even think about the possibility that my car was in danger, but I did get a >good look at him. Maybe the police will raid his house months from now and >discover the CD... What difference does it make that he was Hispanic? Don't white guys steal cars too? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 18, 1997 8:08 pm Subject: Re: More Midi Files Really-From: Philip Meyer >Nothing came out yet. Do you have web space ? you could have it there and send a >link to the list. > Good idea. I've been meaning to make use of my free web space. >If you don't have web space I'll offer you my space ( I have >more than 2 MB of free space), you could send those files to me I would store >them at my place. > Thanks. I'll send them to you to some time soon. I've just got back from holiday, and have stacks of messages to attend to. I don't know why the attachments aren't getting through to the list. Strange - they used to work for me, and I don't think I've reconfigured my software. Also for some reason, I seem to be either sending (or perhaps just receiving?) my tadream mails twice. I had a problem a while a go when I wasn't getting any mail from the list, so I asked to be added again. Perhaps there is something wrong elsewhere? Sorry in advance if this message appears twice... -------------Phil Meyer-------------- phil@h... amarok@c... ------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 18, 1997 1:37 pm Subject: Re: Tyger Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: Steven Feldman > >>($25) Tyger (original issue) > > What, the Jive Elektro (there's a sealed one at a local shop for >$10 where I live), or the original US release, or the one with Vigour? > The original 1987 one with the better cuts of Tyger and London. It doesn't contain Vigour (1992 Relativity release of Tyger), but Vigour doesn't belong on Tyger anyway--in my opinion. It's a pre-Lily on the Beach track and it shows... Now if only they'd come out with a complete Tyger release with all the original stuff from Tyger 1987, plus the new mix of London from 1992, plus Vigour, plus the 'Tyger Jungle Mystery Mix'. This is the best version of Tyger yet, and it appears only on the Dream Roots Collection. They use a major reverb and they over-dubbed the vocalist's voice several times (on top of each other). More jazzy IMO. Anyway, I've seen one or two in the bins around town for $15... That other stuff is rare though. I've got both the Dreamtime/220 Volt CD5 and the Turn of the Tides CD5 and the Rockoon CD5, but I haven't seen any around town... Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5986 Re: Tyger TangerineC@a... Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB 5987 Re: Tyger feldon@p... Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB 5988 Re: Tyger TangerineC@a... Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB 5990 Re: Tyger feldon@p... Fri 7/18/1997 2 KB 15826 Tyger Shadow Mon 4/19/1999 1 KB 15841 Re: Tyger Steven Le Vine Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB 15845 Re: Tyger j.gordon Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB 15880 Re: Tyger Shadow Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB 15881 Re: Tyger Shadow Tue 4/20/1999 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 18, 1997 3:50 pm Subject: Re: Ratikon Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-07-18 08:17:41 EDT, you write: > What difference does it make that he was Hispanic? Don't white >guys steal cars too? > > Scott > > Nope. :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 18, 1997 4:01 pm Subject: Re: Tyger Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-07-18 09:28:43 EDT, you write: >Now if only they'd come out with a complete Tyger release with all the >original stuff from Tyger 1987, plus the new mix of London from 1992, plus >Vigour, plus the 'Tyger Jungle Mystery Mix Is the Castle version of this album a re-issue of the original? It omits Vigor. Plus, on Book of Dreams, Tyger is called 'Jungle Myster Mix' not 'Mystery'. I made the same mistake when reading it too. Look again, that's what it says. They meant Myster because a Tyger or 'Tiger' is one of the rulers of the jungle. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 18, 1997 4:52 pm Subject: Re: Tyger Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > >In a message dated 97-07-18 09:28:43 EDT, you write: > >Plus, on Book of Dreams, Tyger is called 'Jungle Myster Mix' not 'Mystery'. I >made the same mistake when reading it too. Look again, that's what it says. >They meant Myster because a Tyger or 'Tiger' is one of the rulers of the >jungle. Actually, we're both wrong. Just checked the box. It's: Tyger-Jungle Mystery Song. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 18, 1997 5:11 pm Subject: Re: Tyger Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-07-18 12:47:09 EDT, you write: >Actually, we're both wrong. Just checked the box. It's: > > Tyger-Jungle Mystery Song. > Maybe on Dream Roots it says that, but on Book Of Dreams it says Myster. I'm looking at it right now. There is no mistaking that's what it says. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 17, 1997 10:38 pm Subject: Re: Ratikon Really-From: John Christian Previously on !tadream, tadream mailing list said: >Maybe the police will raid his house months from now and >discover the CD... What, the illegal CD? Still, as another receiver of stolen goods, I feel for you. -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 18, 1997 6:03 pm Subject: Re: Tyger Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > >In a message dated 97-07-18 12:47:09 EDT, you write: > >>Actually, we're both wrong. Just checked the box. It's: >> >> Tyger-Jungle Mystery Song. >> >Maybe on Dream Roots it says that, but on Book Of Dreams it says Myster. I'm >looking at it right now. There is no mistaking that's what it says. I think it's a misprint, but only Edgar knows the truth to this myster...er, mystery. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 18, 1997 6:37 pm Subject: Re: Ratikon Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: John Christian > > >Previously on !tadream, tadream mailing list said: >>Maybe the police will raid his house months from now and >>discover the CD... > >What, the illegal CD? Thanks for the support. If TD didn't want bootlegs out, they would do someth...oh never mind! Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 18, 1997 8:38 pm Subject: No mail Really-From: 'Florine Epure' Hi Dave, Since yesterday afternoon I receive no more mail again from tadream. A who says I am on the list. Can you please double check? Actually yesterday since I was not seeing any mail I unsubscribed - but did not get any confirmation for it- instead after another hour I started receiving messages again. Then I sent an e-mail to the list and since then I get no more messages again. Please let me know. Thanks, Florin. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 19, 1997 5:17 am Subject: How is the Shepherd's Bush project coming? Really-From: Gabe Yedid Just wanted an update on how the Shepherd's Bush tree is progressing... Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6010 Re: How is the Shepherd's Bush project coming? PNaunton@a... Sun 7/20/1997 2 KB 6012 Re: How is the Shepherd's Bush project coming? Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 7/21/1997 3 KB 6037 Re: How is the Shepherd's Bush project coming? Gabe Yedid Mon 7/21/1997 2 KB 6043 Re: How is the Shepherd's Bush project coming? Francisco Salgado C. Tue 7/22/1997 3 KB 6056 Re: How is the Shepherd's Bush project coming? PNaunton@a... Tue 7/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 19, 1997 5:21 am Subject: Re: What's the deal??????? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-17 23:15:57 EDT, you write: << I havent recieved mail from this list in 2 days, what the hell is going on? >> The end of the world is nigh. This is just an advanced sample for your enjoyment. Thanks for your participation and predictible reaction. Sincerely, Embodyment Of The Force From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 19, 1997 5:20 am Subject: Re: Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-17 23:39:40 EDT, you write: << whois tadream >> I would like to know too.! Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5999 Re: Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 7/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 19, 1997 5:21 am Subject: Re: Ratikon Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-18 08:17:41 EDT, you write: << What difference does it make that he was Hispanic? Don't white guys steal cars too? Scott >> No! Only if they are foreigners in another country, or a minority. Otherwise they are without fault, blame, or guilt. Take my word for it. It's true. Phil Naunton P.S. Uh, just in case...... ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 19, 1997 5:21 am Subject: Re: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' |!|!|!|!| Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-18 01:08:08 EDT, you write: << Of course. And quite seriosuly I think you will find that most of us agree with you. I was just teasing you. >> Don't _ever_ tease me again or I'll take my Jerome Fan Club Paraphernalia and go home. You guys will just have to suffer without it. So, There! Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 5998 Re: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' |!|!|!|!| Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 7/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 19, 1997 8:07 am Subject: Re: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' |!|!|!|!| Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >In a message dated 97-07-18 01:08:08 EDT, Phil writes: > ><< Of course. And quite seriosuly I think you will find that most of > us agree with you. I was just teasing you. >> > > Don't _ever_ tease me again or I'll take my Jerome Fan Club >Paraphernalia and go home. You guys will just have to suffer without it. > So, There! > >Phil Naunton NOW he tells us about the goodies. Although I am not all that sure that Jerome is deserving of fandom. Yet. I must be getting old, or something, I guess. :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 19, 1997 8:16 am Subject: Re: Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate your message written at 01:20 AM 7/19/97 -0400, tadream mailing list. You wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > >In a message dated 97-07-17 23:39:40 EDT, you write: > ><< whois tadream >> > > >I would like to know too.! > Actually it's not a 'he,' but rather what happens when a man with a small..... nah, I won't go there. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 19, 1997 6:13 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #983 Really-From: Richard Bilek who tadream who tadream-digest From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 20, 1997 3:50 pm Subject: Re: Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-19 03:22:31 EDT, you write: << ><< whois tadream >> > > >I would like to know too.! > Actually it's not a 'he,' but rather what happens when a man with a small..... nah, I won't go there. Andrew >> I've been there, and you're absolutely right. I had a Dream in Tangier, Morocco once; you might say it was a Tangierian Dream, so I know all about it. Phil N. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6011 Re: Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 7/21/1997 3 KB 6020 Re: KP Mon 7/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 2:43 am Subject: test message Really-From: Gabe Yedid have not received mail for 2 days--just a test Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6005 Re: test message Greg Heil Mon 7/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 20, 1997 12:23 pm Subject: 'Thief' Really-From: ashok prema Just a reminder to all UK fans that 'Thief' is on TV Monday night (21st July) on Channel 5. One of TD's better scored films - and the music is great! Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 20, 1997 12:37 pm Subject: Polish Electronic Music Jamboree in Pisz '97 (Poland) Really-From: Piotr Trzcionkowski Hi all In 8-10 August will happen Polish Electronic Music Jamboree in Pisz (Poland) Will be giving concerts: Marek Bilinski (ex BANK) Józef Skrzek (ex Silesian Blues Band SBB) Bernd Kistenmacher Also music workshop by Wladyslaw Gudonis Komendarek and . More informations at http://www.cto.us.edu.pl/~trzcionk/zloty/zef97e.html Greet -- Piotr Trzcionkowski tel. +048 (0-32) 2-284-907 http://www.cto.us.edu.pl/~trzcionk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6068 Re: Polish Electronic Music Jamboree in Pisz '97 Piotr Trzcionkowski Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 3:01 am Subject: Re: test message Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > have not received mail for 2 days--just a test > > Gabe No mail for two days here, tried to resubscribe to the list, but the Majordomo results said I was already subscribed. Gabe: Your mail is the first mail I have gotten in the past two days on this list. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 20, 1997 2:02 pm Subject: Re: More Midi Files Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Philip Meyer > I don't know why the attachments aren't getting through to the list. Strange > - > they used to work for me, and I don't think I've reconfigured my software. > It's not your fault. Last Christmas I sent an attachment to the list ( a Christmas electronic card) and it didn't go through. I insisted and was automatically pushed out of the list and I had to subscribe again. I suppose it's David Datta settings to avoid waste of bandwidth. --Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) whois tadream Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6019 Re: KP Mon 7/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 20, 1997 1:24 pm Subject: Pics in page (again non-TD) Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Hi all, I've been fooling around with the scanner this weekend. For those of you who want to see some pics of me (live in concert), go to my page. For those who don't want to see who I am, well don't go to my page (obvious). More to follow. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... (maybe it's a nice thought for those of you with a webpage to show yourself too. It's nice to see the face behind the name) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 19, 1997 9:18 pm Subject: TD on german TV channel VOX Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Hi, all yesterday night the VOX show TD - 'Die am besten bezahlte Uebungsband der Welt' (The worlds best payed -training- band) took place. It runs only ca. 24 minutes and contains live material from the european tour 97 incl. the sorcerer track, overlaid with different graphics (mathematical curves and other very interesting stuff :< ). They cutted the tracks (time/track < 1:30) (a great idea too) and interrupted the live material every 2 minutes presenting parts of an interview with Edgar (grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr). The interview runs all in all about 12 minutes and the sound of the live material was OK. BTW: The interview itself is interesting if you are familiar with the german language. For ca. 45 seconds a part of the 220volt live tour was inserted (taken from a former RTL2 TV show). When Linda appeared on the screen the whole show was interrupted by commercials :( 12 minutes of cutted tracks interrupted by cutted parts of an cutted interview interrupted by commercials for 5 minutes interrupted by TD for 12 minutes ! What should we learn ? Never watch a TD show on TV. Did I say never ? It was a lie - but you know what I mean :) Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 20, 1997 3:51 pm Subject: Re: How is the Shepherd's Bush project coming? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-19 08:00:59 EDT, you write: << Just wanted an update on how the Shepherd's Bush tree is progressing... Gabe >> Unfortunately it is still a bush. After a severe plague of aphids, we sent in a squadron of ladybugs and they decimated the onslaught of the little buggers. But it was too late and Jerome's coiffure will never be the same. As a result he has decided to join a punk band called The Vasoline Sheen. It's still too _oily_ to tell if it will be a success or not. Phil Naunton ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6012 Re: How is the Shepherd's Bush project coming? Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 7/21/1997 3 KB 6037 Re: How is the Shepherd's Bush project coming? Gabe Yedid Mon 7/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 6:20 am Subject: Re: Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate your message written at 11:50 AM 7/20/97 -0400, Phil. You wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... >In a message dated 97-07-19 03:22:31 EDT, you write: > ><< ><< whois tadream >> > > > >I would like to know too.! > > > > Actually it's not a 'he,' but rather what happens when a man with a > small..... nah, I won't go there. > > I've been there, and you're absolutely right. I had a Dream in >Tangier, Morocco once; you might say it was a Tangierian Dream, so I know all >about it. > I knew YOU would get it. :-) Two peas in a pod...minds in the gutter.... The feeling (of getting a tad reamed) is not dissimlar, I suppose, from paying 50 bucks for a TD boot. :-( Nice segue into TD content, huh?:-) Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6020 Re: KP Mon 7/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 6:24 am Subject: Re: How is the Shepherd's Bush project coming? Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate your message written at 11:51 AM 7/20/97 -0400, Phil. You wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > >In a message dated 97-07-19 08:00:59 EDT, you write: > ><< Just wanted an update on how the Shepherd's Bush tree is progressing... > > Gabe > >> > > Unfortunately it is still a bush. After a severe plague of >aphids, we sent in a squadron of ladybugs and they decimated the onslaught of >the little buggers. But it was too late and Jerome's coiffure will never be >the same. As a result he has decided to join a punk band called The Vasoline >Sheen. It's still too _oily_ to tell if it will be a success or not. > >Phil Naunton > >;-) You GOTTA share the stuff you are on, Phil. Don't be selfish. You are giving Mark a real run for his Catskills' job. But enough of this foolishnes. I am Bushed. :-) Time to go naneenee. Later, y'all (or is it yawn) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: WANTED : The Brick Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) Hi, does anybody have a reference (with price) on where to get THE BRICK CD compilation ? -klaus- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6015 Re: WANTED : The Brick Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 7/21/1997 5 KB 6016 Re: WANTED : The Brick barbara.muray@t... Mon 7/21/1997 2 KB 6017 Re: WANTED : The Brick barbara.muray@t... Mon 7/21/1997 2 KB 6030 Re: WANTED : The Brick PNaunton@a... Mon 7/21/1997 2 KB 6054 Re: WANTED : The Brick Marshall Wood Tue 7/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 5:43 pm Subject: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? Really-From: Richard Bilek Hello Dreamers, probably most of us know Christopher Franke's Home Page on http://www.sonicimages.com Newly, they announced that they want release old unreleased soundtracks, and they wanted to hear from readers what they like. I wrote them about some unreleased TD soundtracks. Please do it too! If they get many responses requesting same soundtrack, maybe... Here is list what you can ask for: Body Body Das Verbotene Spiel Dead Kids Ein Fur Allemal Forbidden (stars Jacqueline Bissett) The Fury (?) Future War 198X Geradeus bis zum Morgen Heisser Schnee Identification of a Woman The Keep Mechanic Thunder Nightmare City Ninja Red Heat Red Nights The Soldier (also known as Codename Soldier) Spasms Strange Behavior Vampira Vegetable People Soundtrack Richard Bilek, Praha/Prague Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6033 Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? PNaunton@a... Mon 7/21/1997 2 KB 6034 Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? TangerineC@a... Mon 7/21/1997 2 KB 6040 Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? Mark Filipak Mon 7/21/1997 3 KB 6057 Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? PNaunton@a... Tue 7/22/1997 2 KB 6066 Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? TangerineC@a... Tue 7/22/1997 2 KB 6079 Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? Mark Filipak Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB 6094 Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? Sean Montgomery Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB 6102 Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? Gabe Yedid Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 1:01 pm Subject: Re: WANTED : The Brick Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate your message written at 10:50 AM 7/20/97 +0100, Klaus. You wrote: >Hi, does anybody have a reference (with price) on where to get THE BRICK >CD compilation ? > >-klaus- Hello, Klaus CD Now! () has it for US $37.37. I deal extensively with them. They have a secure site, are very quick (at least in the States), and accept different means of payment. Never had problems with them. But... This is the cheapest price, according to GEMM (): BRICK (5 CDS) - TANGERINE DREAM Media CD Label: Release Number MRM:0023088 Condition NEW (not used) Price $35.76 ----- Seller's Reference # 09006230882 (Refer to this number when communicating with seller.) GEMM Reference # GML4511414 This item first listed 3/31/97 This listing last updated 6/9/97 RETAILER: AALLHITS.COM Search within catalog (162836 items) For more information, contact: Home Page http://volcano.flashpoint.com/gemm/GEMM/cgi-bin/quickgemm.pl?wild=SE LLER+AALLHIT E-Mail bake@a... Phone 1-888-413-9857 Fax 1-303-831-0284 666 Logan Street DENVER, CO 80203 USA Description: Compare our prices to any other Internet store! WE NOW HAVE A TOLL FREE NUMBER 1-888-413-9857 Now, our complete catalog of over 160,000 items is in GEMM! AaLLHITS does not carry all of It`s database items in stock. 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ID Date Size 6016 Re: WANTED : The Brick barbara.muray@t... Mon 7/21/1997 2 KB 6017 Re: WANTED : The Brick barbara.muray@t... Mon 7/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: WANTED : The Brick Really-From: barbara.muray@t... remove Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6017 Re: WANTED : The Brick barbara.muray@t... Mon 7/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: WANTED : The Brick Really-From: barbara.muray@t... unsubscribe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 6:25 am Subject: THIEF Really-From: Stephen Yensen To those who don't know already: THIEF is being shown on TV in the UK tonight, Monday 21st July at 9 p.m. (UK time) on Channel 5. Apologies in advance to those people who already know! Steve. Please send replies/flames/insults to my home address: syensen@i... and NOT to the work one, thanks. My employers (Siemens) don't like it! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 10:16 am Subject: Re: Really-From: 'KP' UNSUBSCRIBE someone has added me to this ist as a practical joke - or to cause harm to my email box - would someone take the liberty of unsubscribing me ....PLEASE. I think the owner of this list serve had better chnage the subscription process to a more secure system - people are using a program called avalanch to subscribe people to these lists - most lists now have a confirmation request before anyone is allowed to join - I suggest you change it - or you will soon have many pissed off people flaming this list - that is not what you want:-( kal1@m... and as it looks - nobody sems to care - so every message I get - I will forward back to the list - we will see how you like it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ GROUND FLOOR.......The next 'big one'. A 11 yr old Nutritional Company just went MLM. True Wholesale prices and 5 ways to make $$. Hottest Products! 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We are adding dozens daily - only 1,500 in! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ FREE $$ software at: http://www.mkt-america.com/mega ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 3:29 pm Subject: D:Solo - Week 6, July 21, 1997 Really-From: Vic Rek This week we are discussing: Christopher Franke - Universal Soldier -------------------------------------- Please make your subject 'D:Universal Soldier' when commenting. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 3:29 pm Subject: Back from Eastern Europe Really-From: Vic Rek Hi fellow dreamers! Just got back from vacation and I'm ready to catch up on what's going on this list after I go through my 500+ e-mails. Please be patient and I'll mail all my responses within a few days. I have some TD-related stories and info to write about, but I'll save those after I get re-organized. Please send any urgent personal e-mail now, since I'll probably read those first. Great to be back! Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 3:45 pm Subject: WANTED : PAL version of Dream Mixes Video Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hello, Well this it. Does anybody here know where to look for the Dream Mixes Video in PAL format ( eurpean format, for the ones who guess) ( internet order if possible) Regards ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: THE KEEP Soundtrack Courtesy of Chris Franke?!?! Really-From: 'Mr. One-track Mind' >Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:43:40 -0700 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? >Really-From: Richard Bilek > >probably most of us know Christopher Franke's Home Page on >http://www.sonicimages.com >Newly, they announced that they want release old unreleased soundtracks, >and they wanted to hear from readers what they like. >I wrote them about some unreleased TD soundtracks. >Please do it too! > >Here is list what you can ask for: [. . .] > The Keep [. . .] This one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Why Can Chris Do What Edgar and Paramount Can't? Really-From: Steven Feldman About this business of Sonic Images asking folks if they want THE KEEP soundtrack released: what do they know that Edgar and Paramount doesn't if they've put this soundtrack on a list of maybes? -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 5:20 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream Soundtracks To Be Released? Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-07-21 12:04:53 EDT, you write: > > > About this business of Sonic Images asking folks if they want THE >KEEP soundtrack released: what do they know that Edgar and Paramount >doesn't if they've put this soundtrack on a list of maybes? Who Cares??? Just let them do it if they have the power too. And I hope they release some of the Soundtracks that were never available in any form! Come on everybody! Let's get together and start send Sonic Images our want lists. It may, or may not happen, but it's a chance. They are asking the public what they want to see released. Now is our chance. It seems a good possibility that it could be released if they already deal with this type of music and especially Chris Franke. Am I done begging you people? Yeah. But I only beg because just like all of you, I want this stuff released. So let's all put our money where our mouth is. O.k.? Thanks. The End. :) Sincerly, Tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6027 Tangerine Dream Soundtracks To Be Released? TangerineC@a... Mon 7/21/1997 3 KB 6028 Re: Tangerine Dream Soundtracks To Be Released? Plumer, Scott Mon 7/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 5:30 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream Soundtracks To Be Released? Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-07-21 12:04:53 EDT, you write: > > > About this business of Sonic Images asking folks if they want THE >KEEP soundtrack released: what do they know that Edgar and Paramount >doesn't if they've put this soundtrack on a list of maybes? Who Cares??? Just let them do it if they have the power too. And I hope they release some of the Soundtracks that were never available in any form! Come on everybody! Let's get together and start send Sonic Images our want lists. It may, or may not happen, but it's a chance. They are asking the public what they want to see released. Now is our chance. It seems a good possibility that it could be released if they already deal with this type of music and especially Chris Franke. Am I done begging you people? Yeah. But I only beg because just like all of you, I want this stuff released. So let's all put our money where our mouth is. O.k.? Thanks. The End. :) Sincerly, Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 5:41 pm Subject: RE: Tangerine Dream Soundtracks To Be Released? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Personally, I'd like to see 'em all released. Maybe they could take orders for them _before_ they produce them, and base the cost on the number of orders. I wouldn't mind paying extra money for a good ST. Scott > -----Original Message----- > From: tadream@c... [SMTP:tadream@c...] > Sent: Monday, July 21, 1997 1:20 PM > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Tangerine Dream Soundtracks To Be Released? > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > > In a message dated 97-07-21 12:04:53 EDT, you write: > > > > > > > About this business of Sonic Images asking folks if they want > THE > >KEEP soundtrack released: what do they know that Edgar and Paramount > >doesn't if they've put this soundtrack on a list of maybes? > > Who Cares??? Just let them do it if they have the power too. And I > hope they > release some of the Soundtracks that were never available in any form! > Come > on everybody! Let's get together and start send Sonic Images our want > lists. > It may, or may not happen, but it's a chance. They are asking the > public what > they want to see released. Now is our chance. It seems a good > possibility > that it could be released if they already deal with this type of music > and > especially Chris Franke. Am I done begging you people? Yeah. But I > only beg > because just like all of you, I want this stuff released. So let's all > put > our money where our mouth is. O.k.? Thanks. The End. :) Sincerly, > Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 7:33 pm Subject: Re: Raven was: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' |!|!|!|!| Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-18 01:21:42 EDT, you write: << > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > Please, someone take the 'Raven' off my hands before somebody > reviews it and I feel tempted to be masochistic (again!) and listen > to it, all the while cringing and grinding my teeth. Bruxism leads > to TMJ syndrome, you know. :-( Andrew, you can have my C. Franke´s 'Pacific Blue' CD for your 'Raven' ;-) Anyone else interested in PB ? Jens >> C'mon gents! 'Pearls before swine', and all that. You guys wouldn't know a classic if it came up and bit you on the arse. ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) In ten years these CDs will be worth more than the Franklin Mint 'Star Wars Light Sabre', take my word for it. ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) Phil Naunton P.S. 'I think I'm gonna puke.' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6045 Re: Raven was: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 7/22/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 7:32 pm Subject: Re: WANTED : The Brick Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-21 09:45:21 EDT, you write: << Really-From: barbara.muray@t... remove >> Another woman in the group? Wait, don't go! I wanted to ask you....... Damn. Too late! Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 7:33 pm Subject: Re: <=<=<= This title is quite appropriate, as it turns out!! Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-21 03:02:03 EDT, you write: << The feeling (of getting a tad reamed) is not dissimlar, I suppose, from paying 50 bucks for a TD boot. :-( Nice segue into TD content, huh?:-) Andrew >> Sometimes finding good TD at a reasonable cost is 'a real pain in the arse'. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 7:34 pm Subject: MMB - - Here it is! Why are my posts so funny of late. Really-From: PNaunton@a... << Subj: MEDICAL MARIJUANA BUTTER Date: 97-07-20 22:48:56 EDT From: SALES@U... Reply-to: sales@c... To: sales@c... SELF EXPLANATORY MESSAGE! 1.4oz Jar of MEDICAL MARIJUANA BUTTER and 2 receipies Send $35.00 check or money order to: {make payable to CPR} CPR International Dept#1 15900 Crenshaw blvd. #1310 Gardena California 90249 allow 4-6 weeks for delivery COOL huh? Don't ask STUPID Questions! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------- Actually, I just received this message today. I thought it was amusing. It might be real, and it might be a hoax. I'm betting on the latter. In any case I think I'll invest my $35.00 in something a little more solid. When's Jerome's solo double album supposed to hit? Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 7:33 pm Subject: Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-21 04:47:11 EDT, you write: << Here is list what you can ask for: Body Body Das Verbotene Spiel Dead Kids Ein Fur Allemal Forbidden (stars Jacqueline Bissett) The Fury (?) Future War 198X Geradeus bis zum Morgen Heisser Schnee Identification of a Woman The Keep Mechanic Thunder Nightmare City Ninja Red Heat Red Nights The Soldier (also known as Codename Soldier) Spasms Strange Behavior Vampira Vegetable People Soundtrack Richard Bilek, Praha/Prague >> Aren't we the optimist? Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 7:48 pm Subject: Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-07-21 15:41:30 EDT, you write: >Aren't we the optimist? > >Phil Naunton Yes. We are. I ask Sonic Images for all those titles too. They may think some of them are interesting enough to release. So why not ask? It cant hurt. The most they can say is'no.' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 2:50 pm Subject: True sign of the millenium Really-From: Michael Fox From Matt Drudge (www.drudgereport.com): >Hollywood's complete obsession with anything science fiction continues. >The crowds can't get seem to enough of the genre, and producers and >directors would never admit to running out of ideas. > >Film star wannabes the SPICE GIRLS will come face to face with aliens in >their forthcoming movie SPICE, coming from SONY. The sexy fivesome accost >a trio of little green men, who alight in a puff of smoke from a spaceship. > The scene, filmed last weekend outside of London, finds Ginger Spice >handing the aliens a package as her fellow Spices look in awe. One shoots >a laser at an alien during a tricky dance move, another sings to a >departing craft. > >'It's not quite INDEPENDENCE DAY -- the aliens didn't look as if they could >scare my gran,' said one onlooker. > May God have mercy on us! Cheers, Mike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6041 Re: True sign of the millenium Plumer, Scott Tue 7/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 2:47 pm Subject: stolen car Really-From: Michael Fox >>>Morgan wrote: >P.S. Red Mustang Convertibles are the #1 stolen car in America.<<<< Morgan--I can sympathize--I used to own a VW Cabriolet GTI. I got so tired of losing the cs/radio (and replacing the ragtop) I just hung a bunch of wires out the radio housing and installed a unit under the seat. Never was broken into again. Mike n.p.: T-Bass--Infection of Time From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 7:58 pm Subject: Re: How is the Shepherd's Bush project coming? Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > > Unfortunately it is still a bush. After a severe plague of > aphids, we sent in a squadron of ladybugs and they decimated the onslaught of > the little buggers. But it was too late and Jerome's coiffure will never be > the same. As a result he has decided to join a punk band called The Vasoline > Sheen. It's still too _oily_ to tell if it will be a success or not. > > Phil Naunton > > ;-) In other words, you haven't the foggiest, do you Phil? ;) Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 8:25 pm Subject: From Dawn 'Till dusk Really-From: TangerineC@a... I need this album to complete my collection. Is anyone willing to sell it to me? E-mail me with price at TangerineC@a... Thanks. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6042 Re: From Dawn 'Till dusk Plumer, Scott Tue 7/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 19, 1997 6:58 pm Subject: Tour tickets (Leeds) offer Really-From: Paul Nagle NO sooner had I ordered my TD tickets that my mate announced he'd already gotten tickets for Hawkwind the same night (Nov 2nd) so I was on my own... If anyone was thinking of going and would like mine instead, please drop me a line. I'll probably go to the Manchester gig if I can get these swapped/sold..... They're probably pretty good as almost no others had been sold when I rang.... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ 'Tell you something about classical piano music though - some of it is brilliant' Ash Prema From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 8:30 pm Subject: Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Richard Bilek > > Hello Dreamers, > > probably most of us know Christopher Franke's Home Page on > http://www.sonicimages.com > Newly, they announced that they want release old unreleased > soundtracks, and they wanted to hear from readers what they like. For what it's worth, here's what I submitted The Soldier The Keep Identification of a Woman Forbidden The original Zoning The Man Inside (rerelease) - EMI France apparently isn't interested Red Heat Or really any and all of them Chris. Thanks for asking. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 8:50 pm Subject: RE: True sign of the millenium Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Ginger Spice > Isn't it nice to know that some women don't have real names? I thought Britain was more progressive than that. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 8:51 pm Subject: RE: From Dawn 'Till dusk Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I just saw this Friday used for $8. Want me to get it for you? Scott > -----Original Message----- > From: tadream@c... [SMTP:tadream@c...] > Sent: Monday, July 21, 1997 4:26 PM > To: tadream@c... > Subject: From Dawn 'Till dusk > > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > > I need this album to complete my collection. Is anyone willing to sell > it to > me? E-mail me with price at TangerineC@a... Thanks. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 8:54 pm Subject: Re: How is the Shepherd's Bush project coming? Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > > > > > Unfortunately it is still a bush. After a severe plague of > > aphids, we sent in a squadron of ladybugs and they decimated the onslaught > of > > the little buggers. But it was too late and Jerome's coiffure will never be > > > the same. As a result he has decided to join a punk band called The > Vasoline > > Sheen. It's still too _oily_ to tell if it will be a success or not. > > > > Phil Naunton > > > > ;-) > > In other words, you haven't the foggiest, do you Phil? ;) After a big delay and accidents (hard disk head landings), troubles with disk-at-once software etc. I will be finishing it this week and will be sent to Hilmar and Marl to continue along the tree. SORRY for this such big delay. I didn't have CD burner until a couple of weeks ago and sometimes things doesn't go as planned. Regards ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >whois tadream Uh-Oh, Hermes, now you've forfeited your right to ever ask again ;-) -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 21, 1997 11:22 pm Subject: Re: Raven was: D: |!|!|!|!| 'The London Concert' |!|!|!|!| Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate your message written at 03:33 PM 7/21/97 -0400, tadream mailing list. You wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > >In a message dated 97-07-18 01:21:42 EDT, you write: > ><< > > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > > > Please, someone take the 'Raven' off my hands before somebody > > reviews it and I feel tempted to be masochistic (again!) and listen > > to it, all the while cringing and grinding my teeth. Bruxism leads > > to TMJ syndrome, you know. :-( > > Andrew, you can have my C. Franke´s 'Pacific Blue' CD for your 'Raven' ;-) > > Anyone else interested in PB ? > > Jens > >> > > C'mon gents! 'Pearls before swine', and all that. You guys >wouldn't know a classic if it came up and bit you on the arse. ;-) ;-) ;-) >;-) ;-) ;-) In ten years these CDs will be worth more than the Franklin Mint >'Star Wars Light Sabre', take my word for it. ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) > >Phil Naunton > > P.S. 'I think I'm gonna puke.' > We need to be more sensitive and quit bashing the guy. Do y'all know what it takes to have a decent life-style in Southern California? Just because the man is making his music more, what's the euphemism?....aha, accessible (that's it), we shouldn't really blame him for his 'creations.' Or listen to them. :-^ Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) > > >>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >> >>whois tadream > >Uh-Oh, Hermes, now you've forfeited your right to ever ask again ;-) > >-klaus- Er...I'm deep into reading the manual for my e-mail program as we speak! ; ) Uhhhh...oops, it was a mistake? : } Never mind. 8 P goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 22, 1997 3:50 am Subject: TD Ambience #2 (non-TD) Really-From: Ken Beal Howdy... Just wanted to warn those that have Tangerine Ambience that Vol. II is just as good if not better, IMHO. 9 selections...Rubycon Parts 1 and 2, Stratosfear, White Eagle, Tangram Sets 1 and 2, Cloudburst Flight, Phadra, and Logos Part 1. Thanks for the time... Ken From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 22, 1997 4:38 am Subject: Power of the Dark Side.... Really-From: Sturminatr@a... >Really-From: Mark Filipak >> Really-From: Michael A Jean >> >> One way to distinguish the Poison Byte mix is the voice of Darth >> Vader (I presume) about 2 or 3 minutes into the track. He is >> mumbling something about the power of the darkside.... >> >> Does this help? >Yeeeeesssss! Brilliant, Michael! >It happens at 2:10 into the 'Poison Byte Mix' and then again at 2:20. I know this is over a week old, but I had to laugh when I threw this CD on just to hear that sample. The boys snuck one past me! Seriously behind in my EMail, B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 22, 1997 4:38 am Subject: Re: Ages: AAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Really-From: Sturminatr@a... >Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >I just realized: The original LPs were over 80 minutes (83 to be exact). The >Ages CD is 75 minutes and a few seconds. Something's missing. What? >(John races to his copy of 'Voices in the Dunes'. Sounds of angst/primal screams >ensue.) >'Golgotha and the Circle Closes' isn't on the CD. Virgin lopped off the last >track to fit a single CD. -Whew!- One less CD for me to buy. I'll stick with the vinyl, tangyewverymuch. Putting his wallet back in his pants, B. Kirby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6064 Re: Ages: AAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Pete Tue 7/22/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 22, 1997 8:09 am Subject: For Sale: Aqua-EF--Timewind KS Picture Disc CD's Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) Hello, I have Aqua by Edgar Froese on CD picture disc Unopened (new) $15 Also Have Timewind by Klaus Schulze CD picture Disc Unopened $15 Price includes USA postage E'mail if interested Martyn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6074 Re: For Sale: Aqua-EF--Timewind KS Picture Disc C Mark Filipak Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB 6075 Re: For Sale: Aqua-EF--Timewind KS Picture Disc C Capel Martyn Wed 7/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 22, 1997 10:36 am Subject: Re: Thief Really-From: John Wilson Well, I (sort of) watched Thief last night. Not my sort of film, but the music was excellent! It really fitted with the action, and is great to listen to anyway. Not having seen a film with TD scoring before, are they usually this good at matching the music to the action? And which way round does this sort of thing happen? Do TD work to a screenplay, or do they just produce loads of music and then let someone else edit it to fit? (Questions, questions...) Anyway, the soundtrack might have won a convert, too, and he only thought he was dropping round to return a book! John W. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6052 Re: Thief Hilmar_Kraft@n... Tue 7/22/1997 4 KB 6073 Re: Thief Mark Filipak Wed 7/23/1997 3 KB 6078 Re: Thief PNaunton@a... Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB 6084 Re: Thief Plumer, Scott Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB 6092 Re: Thief feldon@p... Wed 7/23/1997 3 KB 6095 Re: Thief Plumer, Scott Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB 6112 Re: Thief Mark Filipak Thu 7/24/1997 3 KB 6117 Re: Thief Plumer, Scott Thu 7/24/1997 4 KB 29657 Thief BRUCE@F... Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 22, 1997 12:46 pm Subject: Re: Thief Really-From: Hilmar_Kraft@n... >Really-From: John Wilson >Not having seen a film with TD scoring before, are >they usually this good at matching the music to the action? >And which way round does this sort of thing happen? >Do TD work to a screenplay, or do they >just produce loads of music and then let someone else >edit it to fit? I also watched 'Thief' last night (Thanks, Channel 5, for making english-language movies available to us in Germany). I had seen it before, and have to say that the opening scene of the movie with James Caan cutting open that safe is my all time favorite movie scene scored by TD. I could watch this one over and over. I believe this: On the one hand there are quite a few movies where TD have captured the overall mood of the movie in a brilliant way (such as the eerie 'Sorcerer', the mythical 'The Keep', the romantic 'Heartbreakers', the tension-filled 'Miracle Mile' too name but a few). In fact, almost all TD-scored movies have the type of music that is just perfect for the mood. On the other hand, I believe that 'Thief' is the single best example of TD music matched to the action happening withing a scene. The music flows and with every different camera angle, the music changes ever so slightly to match what is happening on the screen. It really makes you wonder if they had a cut version of Thief in the studio to play against. To answer your question: The Sorcerer LP had a text that described how TD scored that particular movie: they sent tapes without seeing any movie footage, but captured the feeling by imagining the location only from Friedkin's description. As Friedkin was still shooting the movie around the time TDs tapes arrived, he may have been influenced by the music rather than the other way round. On the other hand, in film production generally films are scored by the musician (band, orchestra, single person, etc.) against a raw cut of the movie, usually under enormous time pressure. Both the film and the music are then edited for the to-be-released version. Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 22, 1997 12:16 pm Subject: VA - Planets of the Universe 2 Really-From: Vic Rek Another various artists (VA) sampler: Planets of the Universe 2 (TV Sampler) Germany Pikosso Records LC 5030, 1997 Double CD released in a clear double CD slim case 20 page booklet included T. Dream's 'White Eagle' track appears as track 1 on disc 2, TT: 4:31 K. Schulze's 'Nowhere Now Here (excerpt)' appears as track 9 on disc 2, TT: 6:01 Other artists: Disc 1 - Oliver Shanty & Friends, Peter Seiler, Ray Bach feat. Freeze Frame, Wolfgang Riechmann, Holle Mangler, Eimear Quinn, Linus Project, Mike Oldfield, Mind Over Matter, Optical Image, Michael Rother, Ron Boots, Axel Wilhelm, Lissy Tennenbini, Pegasus, Kitaro Disc 2 - Tangerine Dream, Brainwork, Kowa, Gandalf, John Mark, Eroc, G.E.N.E., Dieter Schutz, Klaus Schulze, Roman, Venja, Rick Wakeman, Strange Inside, Software, Albert von Deyen, John Kerr From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: WANTED : The Brick Really-From: Marshall Wood >Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >Hi, does anybody have a reference (with price) on where to get THE BRICK >CD compilation ? Best prices on the net I can find are: CD Connection (www.cdconnection.com): MiR23088 TANGERINE DREAM GRAMMY NOMINATED ALBUMS 'BRICK $34.28 MIRAMAR 2/97 CANYON DREAMS/22O VOLT LIVE ROCKOON/TURN OF THE TIDE Mass Music (www.mass-music.com) has it for $33.64. I saw it in a local store for $27 and change. MWood From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 22, 1997 12:50 pm Subject: Conrad Schnitzler info + items for sale Really-From: Vic Rek I just got a couple of new Conrad Schnitzler CD releases in. They are: 1. Kluster - Eruption (w/Schnitzler) 1971 re-release on Marginal Talent label 2. Rot - 1973 re-release on Plate Lunch label 3. 00/106 - on Plate Lunch label 4. 00/071 - CD-R available only from Conrad and custom made to order. This will be a true collector's item and is extremely limited. This CD-R is hand designed and all owners are registered with him. Plate Lunch in Germany in the main source for Conny's CDs. Archie Patterson of Eurock in the US also sells them. I have one new TD and three new Conrad related items for sale/trade: 1. Tangerine Dream - Shy People UK Silva Screen CD $21 2. Kluster - Klopfzeichen US Hypnotic CD still sealed $13 3. Kluster - Zwei-Osterei US Hypnotic CD still sealed $13 4. Hayfever Magazine with 7' vinyl EP w/unreleased track by Conrad $9 Contact me off list if you're interested in any of these. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 22, 1997 1:06 pm Subject: Re: How is the Shepherd's Bush project coming? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-21 16:07:23 EDT, you write: << In other words, you haven't the foggiest, do you Phil? ;) Gabe >> Quite right! How did you know? Must have been the way I said it. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 22, 1997 1:06 pm Subject: Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-21 16:16:50 EDT, you write: << >Aren't we the optimist? > >Phil Naunton Yes. We are. I ask Sonic Images for all those titles too. They may think some of them are interesting enough to release. So why not ask? It cant hurt. The most they can say is'no.' >> I'm with you, but I have my doubts. I'll contribute my desires as well, but I do feel like I asking for the Moon. I include myself in 'we the optimist' above, especially since the hairs on the back of my neck detect The big E lining up his lawyers as we speak. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Digital Gothic : Critical Discography of 'Tangerine Dream' Really-From: Peter Ravn Hi there Is there any of you who has read this book ? : Digital Gothic : Critical Discography of 'Tangerine Dream' Author Stump, Paul Price £9.95 Sterling Biblio 23cm.160. 30ill. Binding Paperback Published May 1997 Publisher SAF Pub Comments ? Reviews ? Best regards, Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6071 Re: Digital Gothic : Critical Discography of 'Tan Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 7/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 22, 1997 1:45 pm Subject: Pacific Blue Really-From: Michael A Jean I thought that it wasn't supposed to be released this week...Is it out already? MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7098 Pacific Blue Michael A Jean Mon 9/15/1997 2 KB 7102 Re: Pacific Blue Jorge Moreira Fri 8/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #985 Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hello folks, >>probably most of us know Christopher Franke's Home Page on >>http://www.sonicimages.com >>Newly, they announced that they want release old unreleased soundtracks, >>and they >>wanted to hear from readers what they like. >>I wrote them about some unreleased TD soundtracks. >>Please do it too! >>If they get many responses requesting same soundtrack, maybe... Richard, I assume you mean here that this a list that you (not Sonic Images) compiled? By all means, folks, it can't hurt to lobby Sonic Images (like someone previously noted, they can only say 'no'), but a couple of notes on these soundtracks: >> Future War 198X >> Ninja These were unlicensed, illegal uses of TD studio music for films, so you probably won't get very far asking for these..... ;-) >> Heisser Schnee >> Spasms As far as I know, there was no new music worthy of note in these two items (well, OK, there was one lame 4-minute bit in 'Spasms,' which is on the equally lame boot CD '70/90', but I think that's all the msuic TD composed for that film). So I wouldn't waste time on these either. >> Body Body >> The Fury (?) >> Vampira >> Vegetable People Soundtrack I don't think these four were ever even confirmed to be TD soundtracks (and come now, would anybody really want a CD on their CD rack called 'Vegetable People'? ;) ) So what I'd suggest is that if you're going to lobby Sonic Images about this, at least lobby them with films that have a reasonable chance of 1) having new TD music 2) having *any* TD music at all! Which, as far as I know, are only the following: Dead Kids (<---aka 'Strange Behavior') Ein Fur Allemal Forbidden Geradeus bis zum Morgen Identification of a Woman The Keep Mechanic Thunder (<----aka 'Streethawk') Nightmare City Red Heat Red Nights The Soldier (also known as Codename Soldier) Strange Behavior (<----aka 'Dead Kids') And, oh yes: >> Das Verbotene Spiel is credited as an Edgar Froese solo OST. I may be being cynical, but somehow I doubt we'd ever see an Edgar Froese solo CD on Sonic Images...... Cheers JB Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6069 Re: tadream-digest V15 #985 TWeibre361@a... Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB 6070 Re: tadream-digest V15 #985 TangerineC@a... Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: TD Soundtracks for Bobby Roth Films Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi, This is just off the top of my head--brainstorming for suggestions to Sonic Images for TD soundtrack releases--but how about the as-yet- unreleased Bobby Roth soundtracks? Roth directed: o HEARTBREAKERS o CATCH ME IF YOU CAN o RAINBOW DRIVE o [?] Heckfire, but I can't recall the other movie with a TD soundtrack that Roth directed. It was posted to this list two or three years ago. Anyone remember? -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6062 Re: TD Soundtracks for Bobby Roth Films Peter Ravn Wed 7/23/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: RE: TD Soundtracks for Bobby Roth Films Really-From: Peter Ravn Steven Feldman wrote: <> Yes, I remember it was DEAD SOLID PERFECT and THE MAN INSIDE (both available on CD). He did not direct CATCH ME IF YOU CAN, Stephen Sommers did it. Best regards, Peter PS: Here is what I found in a movie database: Bobby Roth Also Known As: Robert J. Roth Filmography as: Director, Writer, Producer, Combined Director filmography 1.Inheritance (1997) (TV) ... aka Louisa May Alcott's The Inheritance (1997) (TV) 2.Tell Me No Secrets (1997) (TV) 3.Amanda (1996) 4.In the Line of Duty: Kidnapped (1995) (TV) 5.Naomi & Wynonna: Love Can Build a Bridge (1995) (TV) ... aka Love Can Build a Bridge (1995)(TV) 6.Nowhere to Hide (1994) (TV) 7.Ride with the Wind (1994) (TV) 8.Judgment Day: The John List Story (1993) (TV) 9.Switch, The (1993) (TV) 10.Keeper of the City (1991) (TV) 11.Man Inside, The (1990) 12.Rainbow Drive (1990) (TV) 13.Baja Oklahoma (1988) (TV) 14.Dead Solid Perfect (1988) (TV) 15.Man Who Fell to Earth, The (1987) (TV) (as Robert J. Roth) 16.Tonight's the Night (1987) (TV) ... aka Game of Love, The (1987) (TV) 17.'Miami Vice' (1984) TV Series ... aka 'Miami Unworthiness' (1984) (working title) 18.Heartbreakers (1984) 19.Circle of Power (1983) ... aka Brainwash (1983) ... aka Mystique (1983) ... aka Naked Weekend, The (1983) 20.Boss' Son, The (1978) 21.Independence Day (1975) Filmography as: Director, Writer, Producer, Combined Writer filmography 1.Separated by Murder (1994) (TV) 2.Man Inside, The (1990) 3.Heartbreakers (1984) 4.Independence Day (1975) Filmography as: Director, Writer, Producer, Combined Producer filmography 1.Heartbreakers (1984) 2.Independence Day (1975) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Steven Feldman Really-From: List of Bobby Roth Films w/ TD Soundtracks > 9.Switch, The (1993) (TV) > 11.Man Inside, The (1990) > 12.Rainbow Drive (1990) (TV) > 14.Dead Solid Perfect (1988) (TV) > 18.Heartbreakers (1984) Ah! It's THE SWITCH, from 1993, that I always forget. So, that leaves THE SWITCH, THE MAN INSIDE, and RAINBOW DRIVE to ask Sonic Images about releasing. ;) And yet, when was THE SWITCH recorded??? -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 22, 1997 4:06 pm Subject: Re: Ages: AAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH At 00:38 199707.22 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Sturminatr@a... >>Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >>I just realized: The original LPs were over 80 minutes (83 to be exact). The >>Ages CD is 75 minutes and a few seconds. Something's missing. What? >>'Golgotha and the Circle Closes' isn't on the CD. Virgin lopped off the last >>track to fit a single CD. >-Whew!- One less CD for me to buy. I'll stick with the vinyl, >tangyewverymuch. Doesn't this strike you as being similar to the $^%$*$*!!!! CD _Extracts_From_Poland_? Why don't we go to the location of the CD releaser and burn the CEO in effigy in protest. Don't these people know not to break the 1st commandment of releasing TD on CD? Thou shalt not f**k with TD fans just my $0.02 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: List of Bobby Roth Films w/ TD Soundtracks Really-From: Steven Feldman Arghhh! I screwed up the header in my last post, somehow, so that my name became the subject. :( Sorry about that. + + + + + + + > 9.Switch, The (1993) (TV) > 11.Man Inside, The (1990) > 12.Rainbow Drive (1990) (TV) > 14.Dead Solid Perfect (1988) (TV) > 18.Heartbreakers (1984) Ah! It's THE SWITCH, from 1993, that I always forget. So, that leaves THE SWITCH, THE MAN INSIDE, and RAINBOW DRIVE to ask Sonic Images about releasing. ;) And yet, when was THE SWITCH recorded??? -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 22, 1997 6:00 pm Subject: Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-07-22 09:59:34 EDT, you write: > I include myself in 'we the >optimist' above, especially since the hairs on the back of my neck detect The >big E lining up his lawyers as we speak. > >Phil Naunton Great Phil!!!! I'm glad everyone is starting to get together and seriously do this. Now all we have to do is get everybody else on this list to do the same thing and this could become a reality not just a Dream. :) TaDream the impossible Dream. :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 22, 1997 6:22 pm Subject: Re: Pacific Blue / Franke rating Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > > I thought that it wasn't supposed to be released this week...Is it out > already? > > MJ In Germany it´s released since 14 days. But watch out ! It´s mainstream US rock with Chris on Keyboards. You hear vocals, e-bass, e-guitar and some keyboards + drums - a rock band. PB is nor EM neither familiar with the Babylon/Pax Terra stuff. My rating for Chris stuff: ++ = very good + = good 0 = OK - = not good -- = f*c* + Babylon 5 0 Babylon 5 (Messages from Earth) + De Celestijnse Belofte + Enchanting Nature ++ Klemania ++ London Concert - New Music for Films Vol.1 - Night of the Running Man -- Pacific Blue + Pacific Coast Highway + Perry Rhodan Pax Terra - Raven Michael, buy an´ enjoy Pacific Blue ;-) Jens PS: Is there anybody out there that wants my copy ? A Franke completist ? The price will be 15 US $ incl. airfreight to the USA/Canada. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 22, 1997 6:11 pm Subject: Re: Polish Electronic Music Jamboree in Pisz '97 (Poland) Really-From: Piotr Trzcionkowski > Also music workshop by Wladyslaw Gudonis Komendarek and . ... Tomasz Kubiak. Sorry :-) -- Piotr Trzcionkowski tel. í®¬ (0-32) 2-284-907 http://www.cto.us.edu.pl/~trzcionk From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 22, 1997 9:34 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #985 Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-07-22 15:04:15 EDT, you write: << I don't think these four were ever even confirmed to be TD soundtracks (and come now, would anybody really want a CD on their CD rack called 'Vegetable People'? ;) ) >> why not? it would look great next to shy people.... tom w np: muslimgauze - deceiver From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 22, 1997 10:32 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #985 Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-07-22 15:04:15 EDT, you write: >>> Body Body >>> The Fury (?) >>> Vampira >>> Vegetable People Soundtrack > >I don't think these four were ever even confirmed to be TD soundtracks (and >come >now, would anybody really want a CD on their CD rack called 'Vegetable >People'? Well what they could do is create a compilation. Dream Music 3 perhaps? Put all the tracks that cant make up one album and put them on one Cd. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 1:07 am Subject: Re: Digital Gothic : Critical Discography of 'Tangerine Dream' Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate your message written at 03:25 PM 7/22/97 +0200, tadream mailing list. You wrote: >Really-From: Peter Ravn > > >Hi there > >Is there any of you who has read this book ? : >Digital Gothic : Critical Discography of 'Tangerine Dream' [...] > >Comments ? Reviews ? > Hello, Peter Too new. At least a couple of us from the States have ordered it. May take a while. When read, one of us will give a (totally subjective) review. Mark, silent as a tomb nowadays (probably out playing, how un-American), will be the best bet since he actually understands TD. I, personally, am just a rank amateur. But will give it a try. Unless the 'master' posts his review first. Later. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: '[ ] . . . actually understands TD.' Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Digital Gothic : Critical Discography of 'Tangerine Dream' >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 20:07:50 -0500 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > >>Is there any of you who has read this book ? : >>Digital Gothic : Critical Discography of 'Tangerine Dream' > >Too new. At least a couple of us from the States have ordered it. >May take a while. When read, one of us will give a (totally >subjective) review. Mark, silent as a tomb nowadays (probably out >playing, how un-American), will be the best bet since he actually >understands TD. [. . .] What, and the rest of us don't? (I could go on at length about what your comment implies, but would probably make myself seem like a bigger dickhead than some people already think I am, so I won't.) I see your point, actually. It's just that your wording bothered me: sort of the way the term 'significant other' implies that everyone else is an 'insignificant other.' >[. . .] I, personally, am just a rank amateur. But will >give it a try. Unless the 'master' posts his review first. Well, the only pros here are Matt Hargreaves, Klaus Beschorner, and Ford Thaxton, since they've actually been associated with making TD-related materials, but that doesn't mean that their opinions about TD are any 'better' than anyone else's. I mean, no one here's a professional music critic. (I don't think Elana was paid per se for her contributions to DREAMS WORD.) And just because Fan A has more TD in their collection than Fan B does doesn't make Fan A more knowledgable per se, only more knowledgable insofar as Fan A has heard more different tunes than Fan B. I guess what I mean is, it is not necessary to 'understand a band' to enjoy them. I consider myself to be someone who understands TD, but that doesn't mean that I can't have problems with albums like LEGEND, UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT, OPTICAL RACE, TYRANNY OF BEAUTY, and GOBLINS' CLUB. ;) Just because I don't like the first side of UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT (the 'Song of the Whale' stuff) doesn't mean that I don't understand TD. There's a lot of TD out there and everyone, naturally, will have their favorites and those tracks they have big problems with. Edgar doesn't have papal infallibility last time I checked: witness MACULA TRANSFER and AGES. (Whoopsie, flamebait!) On the other side of the coin, there are those who love the Private Music and Miramar stuff to the exclusion of all other TD (Sequel and TDI included) and don't like e-music except for TD. They enjoy the TD albums they buy, but do they 'understand TD'? I'd say no (more flamebait!), but then, taste is relative, is it not? END OF RANT -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6076 Re: '[ ] . . . actually understands TD.' Greg Heil Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB 6077 Re: '[ ] . . . actually understands TD.' Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 7/23/1997 5 KB 6087 Re: '[ ] . . . actually understands TD.' feldon@p... Wed 7/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 1:53 am Subject: Re: Thief Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Hilmar_Kraft@n... > > ... The Sorcerer LP had a text that described how TD > scored that particular movie: they sent tapes without seeing any > movie footage, but captured the feeling by imagining the location > only from Friedkin's description. As Friedkin was still shooting > the movie around the time TDs tapes arrived, he may have been > influenced by the music rather than the other way round. I've read from a number of authoritative sources that the soundtrack to 'Sorcerer' was completed _before_ the movie started shooting and that that was Friedkin's intention -- the score was played on giant loudspeakers in the jungle while the movie was being shot and in a real sense, Friedkin 'scored' the movie from the soundtrack. I think this is the only major film that has been done this way. Supposedly, the soundtrack heard in the movie _is_ the sound that was coming out of those giant loudspeakers in the jungle, but I've never seen 'Sorcerer' 8-( so I can't say for sure and that bit may be more myth than reality. > On the other hand, in film production generally films are scored by > the musician (band, orchestra, single person, etc.) against a raw > cut of the movie, usually under enormous time pressure. Both the > film and the music are then edited for the to-be-released version. I believe this is the more usual way it happens, though often, the score is recorded 'blind' and the director cuts in the music he/she chooses. Ciao -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 2:13 am Subject: Re: For Sale: Aqua-EF--Timewind KS Picture Disc CD's Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) > > Hello, > > I have Aqua by Edgar Froese on CD picture disc Unopened (new) $15 > Also Have Timewind by Klaus Schulze CD picture Disc Unopened $15 > > Price includes USA postage Hi Martyn. My oh my. 'Timewind' just happens to be one of the KS CDs I've been wanting -- and it's a picture disc too!! If it's still available, please send me your snail address and I'll pop a money order out to you. Cheers and thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 3:07 am Subject: Re: For Sale: Aqua-EF--Timewind KS Picture Disc CD's Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) Hello Mark >> Also Have Timewind by Klaus Schulze CD picture Disc Unopened $15 >> >> Price includes USA postage > >Hi Martyn. My oh my. 'Timewind' just happens to be one of the KS CDs >I've been wanting -- and it's a picture disc too!! If it's still >available, please send me your snail address and I'll pop a money order >out to you. > >Cheers and thanks -- Mark Yes they are still available, like I said neither one has been opened and are new. The reason I'm giving these up is because these 2 I already have. The reason I bought these was it came in a 3 pack and I wanted the 3rd CD called Blackouts by Ashra, was in a set called 'Ambient'. Everything is the same as far as CD cases go and packaging as non picture disc release with same catalog #. On the disc itself it has the same catalog # only with a 'P' in it, to show it's a picture disc. My address is: Martyn Capel C/O Walgreens 204 E. Bell Rd. Phoenix, AZ 85022 Take Care, Martyn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 3:45 am Subject: Re: '[ ] . . . actually understands TD.' Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: Steven Feldman They > enjoy the TD albums they buy, but do they 'understand TD'? I'd say no > (more flamebait!), but then, taste is relative, is it not? END OF RANT > Everyone has the right of their own opinion, and the right to disagree. The beauty of art is that it means something different to each person who participates in it. Even the greatest master of knowledge cannot offer and present what every one person will see and interpret in a work of art. That is what makes it wonderful... Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 4:04 am Subject: Re: '[ ] . . . actually understands TD.' Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate your message written at 09:39 PM 7/22/97 EDT, Steven. You wrote: > What, and the rest of us don't? (I could go on at length about >what your comment implies, but would probably make myself seem like a [...] Steven.... hey, Steven.... are you paying attention now. Now, I mean. Here, Steven. I am over here. Oh, good. Let's try again, this time in English. I said.... oh, never mind what I said. You misunderstood. Plain and simple. I know that Mark ordered the book, since he posted the original note letting us know that it was available. I know that I ordered it too. That makes 'at least A COUPLE.' Yes? OK, between Mark and me, he is by far better qualified than me to discuss a book on TD. That's it. You inferred something that I did not imply. At worst, I implied that *I* (Ich, je, en, io, yo, eu, ia) did not understand TD well. Feel better now? Oh, good. I would not want you to lose sleep about my not acknowledging the expertise of others on this list. Man, don't you know that MY opinion doesn't mean diddly? I am a lightweight. I mean, when it comes to TD, natch'. Now, you take me on the squash or racquetball court, that's another story. :-) Good night, Steven. Sleep well.... your eyes are getting heavy.... you eyes are getting heavy... you are so-o-o tired...you can't keep your eyes open... you are so sleepy... you are so sleepy.... zzzzzzzzz A bantam weight >bigger dickhead than some people already think I am, so I won't.) I >see your point, actually. It's just that your wording bothered me: >sort of the way the term 'significant other' implies that everyone >else is an 'insignificant other.' > >>[. . .] I, personally, am just a rank amateur. But will >>give it a try. Unless the 'master' posts his review first. > > Well, the only pros here are Matt Hargreaves, Klaus Beschorner, >and Ford Thaxton, since they've actually been associated with making >TD-related materials, but that doesn't mean that their opinions about >TD are any 'better' than anyone else's. I mean, no one here's a >professional music critic. (I don't think Elana was paid per se for >her contributions to DREAMS WORD.) And just because Fan A has more >TD in their collection than Fan B does doesn't make Fan A more >knowledgable per se, only more knowledgable insofar as Fan A has heard >more different tunes than Fan B. I guess what I mean is, it is not >necessary to 'understand a band' to enjoy them. I consider myself to >be someone who understands TD, but that doesn't mean that I can't have >problems with albums like LEGEND, UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT, OPTICAL RACE, >TYRANNY OF BEAUTY, and GOBLINS' CLUB. ;) Just because I don't like >the first side of UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT (the 'Song of the Whale' stuff) >doesn't mean that I don't understand TD. There's a lot of TD out there >and everyone, naturally, will have their favorites and those tracks >they have big problems with. Edgar doesn't have papal infallibility >last time I checked: witness MACULA TRANSFER and AGES. (Whoopsie, >flamebait!) On the other side of the coin, there are those who love >the Private Music and Miramar stuff to the exclusion of all other TD >(Sequel and TDI included) and don't like e-music except for TD. They >enjoy the TD albums they buy, but do they 'understand TD'? I'd say no >(more flamebait!), but then, taste is relative, is it not? END OF RANT > > -- Steven Feldman and > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 4:38 am Subject: Re: Thief Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-22 08:14:32 EDT, you write: << which way round does this sort of thing happen? Do TD work to a screenplay, or do they just produce loads of music and then let someone else edit it to fit? (Questions, questions...) John W.>> I think it is actually done the second way. In 'The Sorcerer', TD was just given the general mood or maybe the outline of the story and they did the music from that. I don't think they ever saw a scene from the movie before it was released. I would imagine that the music was mixed in after the scene cutting was done. I don't know if this is consistently the way that they work, but this method definitely worked in spades with 'Sorcerer'. It is perhaps because the music itself is so global that it can easily fit into a variety of emotional situations, thus melds so excellently with a variety of cinematic scenes and situations. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 2:43 am Subject: Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > ... TaDream the impossible Dream. :) Don't write this sort of stuff, Tom! I almost hurt myself. The image of some slippery lounge singer singing those words on stage with Edgar and company is just too much! Now I won't be able to get it out of my head! And it's all your fault! ;-) I'll find some way to get you for this. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6094 Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? Sean Montgomery Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB 6102 Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? Gabe Yedid Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 2:36 am Subject: True Confessions Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > ... [The book, 'Digital Gothic: A Critical Discography of 'Tangerine > Dream'' is] Too new. At least a couple of us from the States have > ordered it. May take a while. When read, one of us will give a > (totally subjective) review. Mark, silent as a tomb nowadays > (probably out playing, how un-American), will be the best bet since > he actually understands TD. ... (Blush) I assume you mean me, Andrew, as I have one of the biggest 'mouths' on the list. But really, I consider myself to be a TD novice. Oh sure, I have all the albums (except 'L'aW' of course) and oh sure, I've amassed a ton of information about TD, but they are one nut that I feel I'm only beginning to crack. So it's true confessions time. TD is the only artist whose work doesn't ever get culled when I go through my 800+ CD collection looking for weak and/or sick strays. My first TD was 'Stratosfear,' purchased because of the cool cover when it first came out -- I hadn't heard either their music or even their name beforehand -- living in central Ohio at the time, I used to buy a lot of LPs sound unheard, based solely on the album cover art. Last TD LP purchased: 'Underwater Sunlight.' Total number of TD LPs purchased: six. First TD CD purchased: 'Underwater Sunlight.' Number of CDs owned when I joined the Tadream List last November: eight. Number of TD CDs owned now: about 85, including about a dozen boots. Previous knowledge of TD before joining the list: 'Weren't they the guys who got the Pope really pissed when they urinated in a cathedral or something?' So you see. With a little bit of persistence, a big 'mouth,' and a lot of help from your friends on the list, you too can become a pretend TD guru. Now if I could only pretend to be grown up. Cheers to All -- Mark (I feel better for having gotten that off my chest) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6081 Re: True Confessions Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 7/23/1997 3 KB 6127 True Confessions Klaus Beschorner Fri 7/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 5:33 am Subject: Re: True Confessions Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Mark wrote: [...major snippity-doo-dah....] >of TD before joining the list: 'Weren't they the guys who got the Pope >really pissed when they urinated in a cathedral or something?' > >So you see. With a little bit of persistence, a big 'mouth,' and a lot >of help from your friends on the list, you too can become a pretend TD >guru. Now if I could only pretend to be grown up. > Ten Novenas for you! See, Steven? This is the way it's done. Always assume that we (the older ones on the list) speak with our tongues firmly planted in our cheeks. TD is just ONE of the little pleasures of life. A sense of humor is another. And so is cross-stitching. Ask Rosie Greer. Life is too short to take yourself seriously. Sorry for the oblique leverage, Mark! I know you can take it. :-) TTFN Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 5:49 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #986 Really-From: Richard Bilek > > Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> > > Hello folks, > > >>probably most of us know Christopher Franke's Home Page on > >>http://www.sonicimages.com > >>Newly, they announced that they want release old unreleased soundtracks, > >>and they > >>wanted to hear from readers what they like. > >>I wrote them about some unreleased TD soundtracks. > >>Please do it too! > >>If they get many responses requesting same soundtrack, maybe... > > Richard, I assume you mean here that this a list that you (not Sonic Images) > compiled? > > By all means, folks, it can't hurt to lobby Sonic Images (like someone > previously noted, they can only say 'no'), but a couple of notes on these > soundtracks: Hello, concerning 'my' list of unreleased TD soundtracks, it was taken from http://hyperreal.com:2000/music/artists/tangerine_dream and I am not the author - Dave Datta is. But again, thank you for your notices. Greetings, Richard Bilek, Praha/Prague From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 12:16 pm Subject: soundtrack production Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> thanks Hilmar and Mark for your soundtrack comments. I do remember reading something, somewhere about Legend and how TD did the music in the (film) editing room or something like that. They were saying that it was the first time someone had worked so closely with the director and editors to make a seamless soundtrack (using digital technology??). This way they could make the music exactly fit the film. Anyone else remember these comments? Can you give a source? Was it in the TDIFC newsletter in 1986? (this seems most likely to me) lars BTW, does anyone have a complete set of TDIFC newsletters from which they would consider making photocopies? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 12:53 pm Subject: RE: Thief Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > Supposedly, the >soundtrack heard in the movie _is_ the sound that was coming out of >those giant loudspeakers in the jungle, but I've never seen 'Sorcerer' >8-( so I can't say for sure and that bit may be more myth than reality. I kinda doubt that. Most feature films have post-synched sound, plus cutting back and forth between two (or more) different angles would cause a break in the music. I don't know if Thief was done that way, but Michael Mann has said that he often has the music done before the film is shot, so that he can shoot with the music in mind. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Why Am I Posting This? Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: True Confessions >Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 00:33:24 -0500 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > >See, Steven? This is the way it's done. Always assume that we (the >older ones on the list) speak with our tongues firmly planted in >our cheeks. 'Older ones'??? First, I'm going to be--horrors!--*40* in about three weeks. Second, I've been on this list for almost 7 years. -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Andrew (or Steve?) ... actually understands TD Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: '[ ] . . . actually understands TD.' >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:04:41 -0500 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > >I said.... oh, never mind what I said. You misunderstood. Plain and >simple. Easy to do, considering that the phrase 'one of us' can imply anywhere from two people to . >I know that Mark ordered the book, since he posted the original >note letting us know that it was available. I know that I ordered >it too. That makes 'at least A COUPLE.' Yes? OK, between Mark and >me, he is by far better qualified than me to discuss a book on TD. Well, then, it's your syntax that is to blame for my error. >That's it. You inferred something that I did not imply. At worst, I >implied that *I* (Ich, je, en, io, yo, eu, ia) did not understand >TD well. What do you mean 'at *worst*'? It's true! ;) >Feel better now? Oh, good. [. . .] I do *now*! ;) (Sometimes, taking things completely out of context can be fun, if not a little inane.) -- Steven Feldman and + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 1:26 pm Subject: Re: '[ ] . . . actually understands TD.' Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: Steven Feldman (snip...) >On the other side of the coin, there are those who love >the Private Music and Miramar stuff to the exclusion of all other TD >(Sequel and TDI included) and don't like e-music except for TD. They >enjoy the TD albums they buy, but do they 'understand TD'? I'd say no >(more flamebait!), but then, taste is relative, is it not? The fact that there are people who only like post-1985 TD is no different than people (like myself) who--for the most part--prefer pre-1986 TD. I will go out on a limb and express myself. I think that those who only enjoy recent TD are fans of popular music. They don't 'understand' TD. I love Tangerine Dream because they are composers, not songwriters. Morgan np: Logotypes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 2:15 pm Subject: Re: The SWITCH Really-From: Michael A Jean RE; Unreleased S/Ts Whatever happened to this album? I know it was supposed to be released years ago. It might be a good bet if alot of the studio work has already been done. I never did see the movie. Is the music worth hearing? ;^) MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Info re Aqua-EF Picture Disc CD Requested Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: For Sale: Aqua-EF--Timewind KS Picture Disc CD's >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 03:09:22 -0500 (CDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) > >I have Aqua by Edgar Froese on CD picture disc Unopened (new) $15 >Also Have Timewind by Klaus Schulze CD picture Disc Unopened $15 These are, I assume from the three-CD set that includes Ash Ra's BLACKOUTS, right? I have three questions: o What makes these three CDs a 'set'? Do they come in a box? o What makes them 'picture disc's? I'd especially like to know what the image is on the AQUA CD. Is it off the ice-blue shards like on the album cover? o I thought these were gold CDs. Are they? -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6091 Re: Info re Aqua-EF Picture Disc CD Requested Micke Stark Thu 7/24/1997 3 KB 6093 Re: Info re Aqua-EF Picture Disc CD Requested Marcel Engels Thu 7/24/1997 3 KB 6100 Re: Info re Aqua-EF Picture Disc CD Requested TWeibre361@a... Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB 6107 Re: Info re Aqua-EF Picture Disc CD Requested Capel Martyn Thu 7/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: For Sale: Aqua-EF Picture Disc CD Really-From: Steven Feldman >For Sale: Aqua-EF--Timewind KS Picture Disc CD's >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 03:09:22 -0500 (CDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) > >I have Aqua by Edgar Froese on CD picture disc Unopened (new) $15 It just occurred to me: if it's sealed, how would you know what the actual image on the disc is? . . . unless there is no top insert to the jewel case, I suppose. -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 3:12 pm Subject: Re: Info re Aqua-EF Picture Disc CD Requested Really-From: Micke Stark tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Subject: For Sale: Aqua-EF--Timewind KS Picture Disc CD's > >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 03:09:22 -0500 (CDT) > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > >Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) > > > >I have Aqua by Edgar Froese on CD picture disc Unopened (new) $15 > >Also Have Timewind by Klaus Schulze CD picture Disc Unopened $15 > > These are, I assume from the three-CD set that includes Ash Ra's > BLACKOUTS, right? I have three questions: > > o What makes these three CDs a 'set'? Do they come in a box? Yes, they are in a hardpaperbox. > o What makes them 'picture disc's? I'd especially like to know what > the image is on the AQUA CD. Is it off the ice-blue shards like on > the album cover? Yes, they all have the album cover. > o I thought these were gold CDs. Are they? No, not what I remember. (I´m at work now, I´ll take a look when I´m home) > > -- Steven Feldman and > Regards Micke Stark strong@h... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 3:24 pm Subject: RE: Thief Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > Supposedly, the > >soundtrack heard in the movie _is_ the sound that was coming >out of > >those giant loudspeakers in the jungle, but I've never seen >'Sorcerer' > I kinda doubt that. Most feature films have post-synched sound, >plus cutting back and forth between two (or more) different angles would >cause a break in the music. I don't know if Thief was done that way, but >Michael Mann has said that he often has the music done before the film >is shot, so that he can shoot with the music in mind. This is no myth. In both cases, the music was composed before a single scene was shot and then, in the case of Sorcerer, played over loudspeakers in the jungle,and in the case of Thief, edited post-production. And you're right, this is in counter to how the industry does soundtracks. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 3:30 pm Subject: Re: Info re Aqua-EF Picture Disc CD Requested Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > These are, I assume from the three-CD set that includes Ash Ra's > BLACKOUTS, right? I have three questions: > > o What makes these three CDs a 'set'? Do they come in a box? > o What makes them 'picture disc's? I'd especially like to know what > the image is on the AQUA CD. Is it off the ice-blue shards like on > the album cover? > o I thought these were gold CDs. Are they? Hi Steven, I also got this set, but I'm not going to sell it. Yes, the 3 CDs come in a box (TPAK 12) and features pics of the albums. The image on the CD is the same as the picture on the frontcover. Nope, not gold. Just silver. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... (finally some pics in the page) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 3:53 pm Subject: Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > ... TaDream the impossible Dream. :) > > Don't write this sort of stuff, Tom! I almost hurt myself. The image > of some slippery lounge singer singing those words on stage with Edgar > and company is just too much! Okay, I can go one better: picture Edgar himself singing it, in his rich Teutonic baritone....sort of like a male Nico. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6102 Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? Gabe Yedid Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 5:14 pm Subject: RE: Thief Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >This is no myth. In both cases, the music was composed before a single >scene was shot and then, in the case of Sorcerer, played over loudspeakers >in the jungle,and in the case of Thief, edited post-production. And you're >right, this is in counter to how the industry does soundtracks. Well, yeah, Friedkin has said that he played it while filming. What I doubted was that the music so played was recorded and used as the music track for the film. Not only would it sound terrible, but the music would break at every change of camera placement. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 5:49 pm Subject: shy people cd / edelton Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers I was pleased to find in the mail today a CD copy of Shy People on Edelton Records. It took two months and about $30 with postage (ouch) to get this oddity but now I can scratch that off the ol' want list. If you are interested they should have more, try esprit mail order: esprit@c... http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/esprit fax +44 [0]1474815030 tel +44 [0]1474815010 I've ordered from them before and have always been satisfied. they often have unusual items or can get them. give them a try. BTW -- Tom, weren't you looking for 'from dusk 'til dawn'? I see it on their list for 4.99 pounds sterling. lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6124 Re: shy people cd / edelton Philip Meyer Fri 7/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 5:52 pm Subject: Re: MIDI files Really-From: 'Florine Epure' > > Really-From: Philip Meyer > > Well, a few days ago I tried to post the MIDI files to this list, but I haven't > seen the message appear back out of the list. > > It seems to have left my machine - I would have expected to see it on the list > by now. Has anyone seen it? If not, I'll post them again (a separate message > for each MIDI file this time!). > > I've also got the 'Too Hot For My Chinchilla' MIDI now, so I'll post that one > immediately... > > -------------Phil Meyer-------------- > phil@h... > amarok@c... > ------------------------------------- Hi Phil, Did you send any MIDI files to tadream list (maybe I missed them while I was off list)? Or do you have any web site or ftp site to download them directly? Let me know. Thanks, Florin. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6125 Re: MIDI files Philip Meyer Fri 7/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Two Different Cuts of THIEF Really-From: Steven Feldman While we're on the subject of this soundtrack, I guess I should mention that I've now got two versions of THIEF on videotape. I bought one used videotape about four months ago, but didn't watch it, but then I stumbled across another tape which said 'Special Letterboxed Edition Director's Cut' and on the back it mentioned that there were different scenes in it. What's odd is that the original release version runs 2 hrs 4 mins, whereas this letterboxed jobbie clocks in at 2 hrs 2 mins. Anyways, I watched the first tape the other night and only watched the first 15 mins of the second tape, so far. In the first 15 mins, there is only one difference: a sequence where the James Caan character talks to a fisherman near a bay in the early morning. The scene seemed completely inane to me. Perhaps it's an attempt at character development or a foreshadowing. I guess I might find out later in the film. Anyways . . . no difference in the soundtrack that I've noticed, so far. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6105 Re: Two Different Cuts of THIEF Vic Rek Thu 7/24/1997 3 KB 6115 Re: Two Different Cuts of THIEF Mark Filipak Thu 7/24/1997 2 KB 6116 Re: Two Different Cuts of THIEF Mark Filipak Thu 7/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 6:02 pm Subject: Sol et Luna Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Does anyone know the date for the 'Sol et Luna' boot? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6103 Re: Sol et Luna Jens Peschke Thu 7/24/1997 2 KB 6104 Re: Sol et Luna Vic Rek Thu 7/24/1997 2 KB 6106 Re: Sol et Luna Plumer, Scott Thu 7/24/1997 2 KB 6111 Re: Sol et Luna Mike Livsey Thu 7/24/1997 2 KB 6113 Re: Sol et Luna Mark Filipak Thu 7/24/1997 3 KB 6126 Sol et Luna Klaus Beschorner Fri 7/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 6:45 pm Subject: Re: Info re Aqua-EF Picture Disc CD Requested Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-07-23 13:41:33 EDT, you write: << These are, I assume from the three-CD set that includes Ash Ra's BLACKOUTS, right? I have three questions: o What makes these three CDs a 'set'? Do they come in a box? o What makes them 'picture disc's? I'd especially like to know what the image is on the AQUA CD. Is it off the ice-blue shards like on the album cover? o I thought these were gold CDs. Are they? >> 1.) yes...a caroline release... 2.) & 3.) cant tell u...never opened mine.... tom w np: death cube K - disembodied From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: THIEF Director's Cut > THE KEEP Director's Cut? Really-From: Steven Feldman Gee, if there's a 'director's cut' version of THIEF, maybe there's a chance that Michael Mann might release a 'director's cut' of THE KEEP. Lord knows that the more footage reinstated into this film, the better. Anyone know what might be the best address to which to send letters to this guy? -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6121 Re: THIEF Director's Cut > THE KEEP Director's Cu Pete Thu 7/24/1997 3 KB 6138 Re: THIEF Director's Cut > THE KEEP Director's Cu PNaunton@a... Sat 7/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 7:39 pm Subject: Re: Chance for unreleased TD soundtracks? Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > > ... TaDream the impossible Dream. :) > > > > Don't write this sort of stuff, Tom! I almost hurt myself. The image > > of some slippery lounge singer singing those words on stage with Edgar > > and company is just too much! > > Okay, I can go one better: picture Edgar himself singing it, in his rich > Teutonic baritone....sort of like a male Nico. > Edgar's voice is surprisingly high for a man of his height. Chris would actually be better for the 'rich Teutonic baritone' bit. > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR > http://www.topix.com/~sean > Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 8:07 pm Subject: Re: Sol et Luna Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Does anyone know the date for the 'Sol et Luna' boot? > > Scott It´s not a boot - it´s a piracy dated 1994 (MEDUS disci s.r.l. Milano, Italy). Remember: piracies are illegal ;-) Jens np: THILO REX (Ex- Quiet force/Megabyte): the dominoe principle, 91 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 8:11 pm Subject: Re: Sol et Luna Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >Does anyone know the date for the 'Sol et Luna' boot? > My best guess would be 1994. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 8:11 pm Subject: Re: Two Different Cuts of THIEF Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: Steven Feldman '[...]In the first 15 mins, there is only one difference: a sequence where the James Caan character talks to a fisherman near a bay in the early morning. The scene seemed completely inane to me. Perhaps it's an attempt at character development or a foreshadowing. I guess I might find out later in the film. Anyways . . . no difference in the soundtrack that I've noticed, so far.' Very interesting, I'd like a full report in the morning... Maybe you could play both tapes concurrently and take notes, this would make the comparisons more accurate. What would we do without you Steven? 'The Keep' would never be the same. By the way, what are you doing on your fast approaching 40th birthday? Maybe we (the list) should come up with some plaque that had at least the following words on it: The Keep, Risky Business, and maybe Legend (and now Thief?). I got it! Maybe we could have a contest to see who can put together the best phrase using these words. Am I getting carried away??? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 9:01 pm Subject: RE: Sol et Luna Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' What's it a piracy of? Scott > -----Original Message----- > From: tadream@c... [SMTP:tadream@c...] > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 1997 4:08 PM > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Re: Sol et Luna > > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > > Does anyone know the date for the 'Sol et Luna' boot? > > > > Scott > > It´s not a boot - it´s a piracy dated 1994 (MEDUS disci s.r.l. Milano, > Italy). > > Remember: piracies are illegal ;-) > > Jens > > np: THILO REX (Ex- Quiet force/Megabyte): the dominoe principle, 91 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6111 Re: Sol et Luna Mike Livsey Thu 7/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 9:57 pm Subject: Re: Info re Aqua-EF Picture Disc CD Requested Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) Hello, > These are, I assume from the three-CD set that includes Ash Ra's >BLACKOUTS, right? Yes they are. I have three questions: > o What makes these three CDs a 'set'? Do they come in a box? It comes in a box, with the 3 pictures on the box of the individual albums shown small on it. The box is cream colored with a marble look to it, goldish texture to make marble look. In good size lettering the box says 'Ambient' in smaller letters it says, ' Collectors Edition 3 limited edition picure discs'. All CD's have there own jewel cases w/inlays like original seperate pressings. Judging by the one I opened (Blackouts) all liner notes are the same as original release, with same individual catalog #s. The box is a not essential, not a keeper in my opinion. > o What makes them 'picture disc's? I'd especially like to know what > the image is on the AQUA CD. Is it off the ice-blue shards like on > the album cover? I haven't opened Aqua or Timewind. But Blackouts by Ashra has the duplication of the front cover. I would assume the others would be the same. > o I thought these were gold CDs. Are they? No. They are ordinary I hope this helps, Thanks, Martyn Capel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 10:36 pm Subject: D: Universal Soldier Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In brief: typical orchestral soundtrack work. Sounds like virtually every other action picture soundtrack ever made, with the occasional signature Franke sound thrown in - a hint of Babylon 5, if you will. This is why I like the weekly discussions - I confess I bought this CD used, for collector's sake only, and haven't listened to it since I bought it. So this forces me to listen again. I know some people rave about B5, but I get bored with the themes that keep recurring. I still can't figure out why a B5v2 was needed, it's just more of the same. On quick re-listening of US, I think I may even like it better than B5 (heresy, I know!) because the short pieces allow for more variety. I would imagine, though I'm not a Van Damme fan, that Franke's pieces probably worked quite well in the film. I particularly like Grand Canyon, very dramatic piece. I also like some of the softer string pieces, like McGregor, and I'm Already Dead, because they show a side of Franke that he doesn't present very often lately. And the last half of Security Deposit shows Franke CAN have some subtlety in his solo works - which also seems sorely lacking lately, IMO. Ok, he's not exactly John Williams, but hey, it's not bad for soundtrack work. All IMO, of course. Phil Derby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 11:03 pm Subject: Re: Klemania Really-From: Vic Rek At 02:35 AM 7/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: TangerineC@a... >I once heard on this list that there were different versions of this album on >cd. Is the music different or just the covers? > The second release of Klemania contains a REMIXED track of 'Inside the Morphing Space' with a running time of 20:56. The first issue has a running time of 20:07 and the third issue of 21:01 (at least what the CD insert says) and these are not listed as remixes. Hope this helps. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 23, 1997 11:03 pm Subject: Re: Paris Edge Really-From: Vic Rek At 11:48 PM 7/14/97 GMT, you wrote: >Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) >Can anyone tell me about the 'Paris Edge' CD-R that recently appeared >for sale. Is it a concert recording or some studio snips? If it's a >concert, which year is the recording from. Also, what's the quality >like? Ditto! Can anyone provide me with information on the content of the 'Paris Edge' CD-R and where it can be obtained? Please e-mail me off list. Thanks. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7220 Paris Edge =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n Tue 9/23/1997 2 KB 7223 Re: Paris Edge Jorge Moreira Sat 8/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 24, 1997 9:09 am Subject: Re: Sol et Luna Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:01:11 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >What's it a piracy of? > >Scott > Heartbreakers... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 24, 1997 5:26 am Subject: Re: Thief Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >This is no myth. In both cases, the music was composed before a > > > single scene was shot and then, in the case of Sorcerer, played > > over loudspeakers in the jungle,and in the case of Thief, edited > > post-production. And you're right, this is in counter to how the > > industry does soundtracks. > > Well, yeah, Friedkin has said that he played it while filming. > What I doubted was that the music so played was recorded and used as > the music track for the film. Not only would it sound terrible, but > the music would break at every change of camera placement. One question, Scott: Suppose William Friedkin _did_ add the music in post-production, how do you suppose he dealt with the 'incidental' music that was going over those loudspeakers in the jungle and undoubtedly got on the soundtrack along with the dialog? Or do you think he made a 'silent movie' and dubbed in all the dialog in post-production too? My $2E-2 -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 24, 1997 10:03 am Subject: Re: Sol et Luna Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) > > On Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:01:11 -0400, you wrote: > > >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > > > >What's it a piracy of? > > > >Scott > > > Heartbreakers... And 'Alexander Square' EP and CD5s, 'Tangerine Dream 1970-1980,' 'Rockoon Special Edition' CD5, and 'V.' ________________________________________________________________________ SOL ET LUNA - MYSTERY TRACKS VOL. II 1 Heartbreakers [2:36] 12 Alexander Square [6:16] 2 Footbridge to Heaven [2:59] 13 Oriental Haze [3:55] 3 Twilight Painter [4:20] 14 Barryl Blue [7:15] 4 Gemini [3:41] 15 Chimes and Chains [4:37] 5 Rain in New York City [3:25] 16 Haunted Heights [6:06] 6 Pastime [2:56] 17 Oszillator Planet Concert 7 The Looser [3:24] [7:57] 8 Breathing the Night Away [2:30] 18 Dancing Grizzlies [1:30] 9 Desire [5:39] %(ROCKOON-special interview; 10 Thorny Affair [3:11] Edgar compares his critics to 11 Daybreak [4:06] dancing grizzlies) _____________________________________________________________________ CD - [1994] (DE) (pirate; KB sound: 9) ________________________________________________________________________ Cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 24, 1997 10:21 am Subject: Re: Yes Martha, there **is** an 'Ages' CD Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Richard Bilek > [from TD home page, FAQ] > ... Virgin plans to re-release Edgar's solo-albums, but we don't know > when. > > It looks like the first step was done I'm reposting this in case anyone missed it. This dude (Wayne Shevlin) is high up in Virgin UK. Let's shower him with requests to include 'Golgatha And The Circle Closes' on any upcoming 'Macula Transfer' release. -- Mark (Who makes it happen? Repeat after me: 'I make it happen.') _____________ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:49:37 -0700 From: Mark Filipak To: Wayne Shevlin Subject: Ages Hi Wayne. Please extend my congratulations to whomever decided to release Edgar Froese's 'Ages' on CD (finally). Too bad they didn't know about the TaDream List. They could have gotten the fan's input. The album (83 minutes) was cut for 1 CD rather than being issued on CDx2. Better would have been: 1- CDx2 consisting of 'Ages' (in full) plus 'Macula Transfer' (also not on CD) -- a 3-for-2. 2- CDx2 consisting of just 'Ages.' 3- CDx1 of 'Ages' without 'Childrens Deeper Study' and 'Ode To Granny A.' What happened instead is that the last (and critical) track, 'Golgatha And The Circle Closes' got cut -- we're all heartsick about it. That was the most popular or second most popular track on the album. Worse, it was the climax and 'closes' the circle. Who makes these decisions? Do they work in a room without windows? Just my thoughts. Regards -- Mark (Any 'Ages' on CD is better than no 'Ages' on CD, but we're here for consultation.) PS: Now how about bringing out 'Macula Transfer' on CD _with_ 'Golgatha And The Circle Closes' from 'Ages' on it as track 1? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 24, 1997 10:31 am Subject: Re: Two Different Cuts of THIEF Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > While we're on the subject of this soundtrack, I guess I should > mention that I've now got two versions of THIEF on videotape. ... Good work Steve. Keep that info coming, eh? Cheers -- Mark PS: any differences with the CD? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 24, 1997 10:47 am Subject: Re: Two Different Cuts of THIEF Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Vic Rek > [...] > What would we do without you Steven? 'The Keep' would never be > the same. By the way, what are you doing on your fast approaching > 40th birthday? Maybe we (the list) should come up with some plaque > that had at least the following words on it: The Keep, Risky Business, > and maybe Legend (and now Thief?). I got it! Maybe we could have a > contest to see who can put together the best phrase using these words. > Am I getting carried away??? I don't know about getting carried away, Vic, but with his interest in UFOs, Hale-Bopp, and what not, I nominate Steve Feldman as 'TaDream List Crypt Keeper.' -- Mark (humm... what is 'what not?') From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 24, 1997 1:28 pm Subject: RE: Thief Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >One question, Scott: Suppose William Friedkin _did_ add the music in >post-production, how do you suppose he dealt with the 'incidental' music >that was going over those loudspeakers in the jungle and undoubtedly got >on the soundtrack along with the dialog? Or do you think he made a >'silent movie' and dubbed in all the dialog in post-production too? They probably re-recorded the dialog after filming or turned off the music during actual takes. If it wasn't done one of these ways, you'd hear music ALL THE TIME, and during every scene that uses more than one camera angle (Probably every scene!) there would be incongruous gaps in the music. I'm surprised no one seems to have figured this out. In a scene where two people are talking, for example, and the camera cuts back and forth between them, the director doesn't move the camera every time someone says a line, going back and forth for the whole conversation, nor does the director use two cameras and switch back and forth. You shoot one person's end of the conversation first, with the other actor talking off-camera, then shoot the other person's end, with actor #1 talking off-camera. Then you put the conversation together in the editing room. That way, you can show one person's reaction while he or she is listening to the other person, if you wish. If Friedkin did this, which I'd bet he did, and recorded the music as the actors spoke, you get, say, 'Betrayal' playing during Roy Scheider's lines, and 'Grind' playing during Ramon Bieri's lines, as an example. As the view switched between Scheider and Bieri, the music would be changing back and forth between 'Betrayal' and 'Grind.' It's been about a year since I've seen the film, but as I recall it doesn't do that. If it did, that would be one of the most colossal film flubs of all time. Music that appears in the mise-en-scene (wow, I actually got to use that in a conversation!), like if the characters were at a concert, is actually a sound effect, added later, for the same reason. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 24, 1997 2:09 pm Subject: Sol et Luna (correction) Really-From: John Burek >>> >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>> > >>> >What's it a piracy of? >>> > >>> >Scott >>> > >>> Heartbreakers... >>And 'Alexander Square' EP and CD5s, 'Tangerine Dream 1970-1980,' >>'Rockoon Special Edition' CD5, and 'V.' Mark, Scott, and other Sol et Luna fans, Material from 'V' isn't included on 'Sol et Luna'--you're probably thinking of 'Oszillator Planet Concert', which was from the 'Ossiach Live' 3 LP set. The 'V' TD track was 'Overture.' --John From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 24, 1997 2:10 pm Subject: Re: EF - Aqua picture CD and Steve's 40th! Really-From: Craig Shipley Well, since we have been talking about this 'Ambient' set, didja all know that there was a Tangerine Dream 3-CD box set? Yup, three picture CDs of PHAEDRA, RUBYCON and RICOCHET (cat. no. TPAK 11). Got my still-factory-sealed box sittin' right here. I think I bought this way back in '90 or '91 (it shows a date of '90 on it) on my first trip to Playing By Ear (the Baltimore precursor of Of Sound Mind). Not that I am ever going to sell it, but does anyone have an idea of what this is worth? And Steve, hitting the big 4-0 is no great shakes. I did it last year and decided that my permanent age is going to be somewhere around 27 or so. I think that you and I have been on this list for about the same amount of time (although I seem to remember your first post to the list; even then I think you were on your quest to confirm the existence of 'The Keep'. He's persistent, folks! :-)). Be prepared for lotsa tacky gifts that poke fun at your age. Just remember age ain't nothin' but a number. Wonder how many other old-timers (5+ years) are still on the list? Does Dave ever celebrate any anniversaries? (howzabout a plaque for every 5 years or so? He can send it through the 'Net! :-)). obCDPlayer: Boots/Boddy/VanDerHeijden / Phase 3 (hey, if you like older, darker TD, get this CD! Shortest track is almost 9 minutes long with most of 'em clocking in at around 16 minutes. Kinda reminds me of Stratosfear. Good stuff!) Craig Shipley craigs@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 24, 1997 4:01 pm Subject: Toronto '77 Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Have we ever resolved the Toronto '77 dispute? I just finished looking in the Globe & Mail from April and August 1977. The only trace of TD I could find was an ad from April 9 for the show in Hamilton on April 15. There was no indication of a show EVER happening in Toronto. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 24, 1997 5:28 pm Subject: Re: THIEF Director's Cut > THE KEEP Director's Cut? At 14:44 199707.23 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman >a chance that Michael Mann might release a 'director's cut' of THE KEEP. I saw two versions. When it was broadcast the ending & credits were different. And then there's the video version (P&S) 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 24, 1997 8:54 pm Subject: Oranges Don't Dance Really-From: feldon@p... What is Oranges Don't Dance? I saw it advertised on Esprit (eil.com) Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6123 Re: Oranges Don't Dance Dave Brewer Thu 7/24/1997 2 KB 13974 Oranges Don't Dance Lawry Simm Wed 5/27/1998 3 KB 13986 Re: Oranges Don't Dance Kees Thu 5/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 24, 1997 9:24 pm Subject: Re: Oranges Don't Dance Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: feldon@p... > > What is Oranges Don't Dance? > I saw it advertised on Esprit (eil.com) > <...coming out of the shadows> It's a promo EP from Private Music that contains a few tracks from TD's various Private releases. (I don't have the track listing handy right now) A rather rare item, I think. (I don't have it myself) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 25, 1997 6:21 am Subject: Re: shy people cd / edelton Really-From: Philip Meyer >I was pleased to find in the mail today a CD copy of Shy People on Edelton >Records. It took two months and about $30 with postage (ouch) to get this >oddity but now I can scratch that off the ol' want list. > I happen to have a spare CD of this one, as I had ordered it from a mail order company, and then came across it in a shop and bought it, forgetting that it was on order (it had been on order for a long time!). Anyway, my second copy is for sale, if anyone wants it. The record label is Silva Screen Records, 'FILMCD 027'. 7 UK Pounds (that's about $10 isn't it?) Phil -------------Phil Meyer-------------- phil@h... amarok@c... ------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 25, 1997 6:14 am Subject: Re: MIDI files Really-From: Philip Meyer >Did you send any MIDI files to tadream list (maybe I missed them while I >was off list)? Or do you have any web site or ftp site to download them >directly? > I did, but the attachments never turned up. I tried a couple of times. The current plan is that I'm going to add them to my web page (which I will hopefully start this weekend). I have a list of everyone who emailed me requesting the midi's, so if I don't manage to get them on a web page soon, I'll email them to everyone. I haven't done this, as there were so many requests coming in, it would have been very inefficient :) I will let everyone know when the files are available... Phil -------------Phil Meyer-------------- phil@h... amarok@c... ------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Sol et Luna Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >Does anyone know the date for the 'Sol et Luna' boot? No ;-) From the 'Updates' : . .94 'Sol et Luna - Mystery Tracks 2' (Heartbreakers+Singles). 77 10 CD why, oh why, do I still bother to issue those... -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: True Confessions Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >So you see. With a little bit of persistence, a big 'mouth,' and a lot >of help from your friends on the list, you too can become a pretend TD >guru. Now if I could only pretend to be grown up. Mark. you did just that pretty well when we met. Both the TD guru career pathway as well as the 'grown up' part ;-) [TYPICALL AMERICAN COMPANY MOTIVATIONAL SPEECH ON] Keep up the good work ! [TYPICALL AMERICAN COMPANY MOTIVATIONAL SPEECH OFF] (Dilbert fans : imagine a pointy-haired figure delivering this) And, Steven, don't forget the fanzine editors on this list (Peter Stoeferle, Chris Horn, Jason Hopkins, Niall Dew, Brian Kirby and whoever lese my be lurking out there) but please cut me from the 'pros' list. -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 25, 1997 6:56 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream Merchandise Really-From: Richard Bilek Hello Dreamers, on official TD Homepage is new link 'Tangerine Dream Mall', it will point you directly into: http://www.vprint.demon.co.uk/tadream/ For sale are here some interested CD, such as Quinoa, or Tour 1997 Single! Enjoy! Richard Bilek, Praha/Prague From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 25, 1997 12:17 pm Subject: Gotched... Really-From: pjv@a... (Phil Vendy) Well, you sure succeeded in chasing away that dark cloud from over my workspace today! It dissolved in a puff of smothered sniggers and guffaws. Nice work, gloombuster! 'Expensive but elegant'! Haw! Haw! Haw! Love it! You nearly had me convinced! If there'd been an application form attached to it, you'd have got my order! And if there'd been one of those snakey cameras on my PC you might even have ended up with a picture of me to match you and the rellies! (Now, there's a sobering thought...). Round to that point once again, that artificial 'end' to my week, and I rewarded myself as I often do on a Friday when I got home by dozing off in front of the tele for half an hour. I try and keep myself going during the week, as I know the moment I sit down I'll be dozing off, so I get straight on to the computer and make myself do something. By the time Friday comes and I know I don't have to think about work the next day, I feel I've earned a little rest. Just playing Tournado here for only the second time, hey, there's some nice stuff going on here. First time through it sounded almost indistinguishable from the studio recordings, but this is definitely live and superbly performed. I wrote that Logos was TD at their peak, but the amazing thing is that you could almost say that about any of their work. Their live albums have always been outstanding - Logos, Poland, 220 Volt Live and Tournado are all among their very best recordings. In fact, if you had those, plus the Antarktis, 20th Century Serenades and Ardem O bootlegs, you'd practically have the full story of TD. I'm interested, though, that Tournado should be so similar in many ways to the tape I made up for you! Maybe I'm not such a bad judge of good TD! It's always nice, though, to have it all on a CD, and I can see this one is destined for the play-it-till-it's-worn-out treatment. I'm going to try once more to get The Unnamable Machine connected in. For one thing, there is now a load of your stuff stashed away on there! And if I don't get it working before Wednesday I will be well and truly screwed, as I wouldn't be able to access my emails or anything. The thought of being unable to read or send any emails for four weeks! Aargh! We have changed so much in such a short time, being unable to imagine the idea of not being online on demand. I'll write again very soon - I have loads to catch up on in your 'New' folder, as well as my lessons to learn! gws, treasured friend - your buddy, Me. P.S. gws = get well soon. I guess doctors' email ids have become the new version of house calls? Soon, it won't be the doc on the other end, it'll be Intuit's QuickDiagnosis Medical Consulting Software, complete with illustrative slice from the Visible Man (is there a Visible Woman yet? If not, you might find yourself in trouble...'what the hell's THAT thing doing there? Doc? You there?'). P.S.(2) You'll never guess. I can't make a connection! Never believe it, would you? Like, never any problem with my own PC, but with The Beast...at this rate, I will be checking out my PowerBook and taking that with me complete with external modem. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Two Diff.[?] Vers. of THIEF; Steve's 40th Really-From: Steven Feldman >Re: Two Different Cuts of THIEF >Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 03:47:47 -0700 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >> Really-From: Vic Rek >> [...] what are you doing on your fast approaching 40th birthday? >> Maybe we (the list) should come up with some plaque that had at >> least the following words on it: The Keep, Risky Business, and >>maybe Legend (and now Thief?). [...] Well, I've watched about 1 hr 40 mins of the second version of THIEF, which runs 2 hrs 2 mins, and I haven't seen any difference except for that early scene on the bay. I think I know what the story is: the box art said 'featuring footage not seen in theatres'--as opposed to *scenes* not seen in theatres. 'Footage,' can, quite literally, be just that, i.e. if there is two feet of new footage, which would amount to about 1 second of film, that would technically constitute 'new footage.' Seeing as a frame of 35mm film is about an inch high, and there are 24 frames in a second of film, two feet of film would equal one second . . . and two feet equals 'footage,' does it not? :( ;) >[...] with his interest in UFOs, Hale-Bopp, and what not, I nominate >Steve Feldman as 'TaDream List Crypt Keeper.' -- Mark [...] Errr, the Crypt Keeper is the mascot for Showtime's TALES FROM THE CRYPT series. I specifically didn't sign up for Showtime until the Showtime THE OUTER LIMITS series (revival of the 1960s show, but comprised not of re-runs, but all-new episodes) came on (hey, and now that Showtime has all-new series based on POLTERGEIST, THE HUNGER, and STARGATE, there's good stuff on here, folks!), you might want to call me 'The Keeper' instead. This way, it'd not only be a pun on THE KEEP, but would recall the best LOST IN SPACE two-parter, starring Michael Rennie of THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL fame: 'The Keeper.' Boy, I sure am a product of pop culture, aren't I? ;) As for this Roswell, Hale-Bopp, and UFO Abductees-as-Religious- Visionaries stuff -- well, I don't think folks here want to hear about that stuff, do they? I mean, the music here is far out, but other than that, most folk here seem all-too-down-to-Earth. ;) Interesting trivia: my interest in e-music comes from watching and liking the music and sound effects from 1960's sci-fi TV shows when I was growing up. To me, TD comes closest to that stuff. Give a listen to the FORBIDDEN PLANET soundtrack if you want a real experience. Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Emdreams, CNI News, Contact ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Forum, _PEER_ Perspectives, ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ the Nausicaa list, Tadream, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ & Hong Kong Film Connection ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: sfeldman@w... ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: More inconclusive Toronto 1977 stuff Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>Have we ever resolved the Toronto '77 dispute? I just finished looking >>in the Globe & Mail from April and August 1977. The only trace of TD I >>could find was an ad from April 9 for the show in Hamilton on April 15. >>There was no indication of a show EVER happening in Toronto. >>Scott Hi Scott (and anybody else still following the legendary saga of 'TD @ Toronto 1977'): I finally had a chance to listen again to the so-called 'Toronto Convocation Hall' tape from 1977. I HIGHLY doubt this show would have been played in August--it follows a sort-of pattern of shows that would, in my estimation, put it in the early days of the April tour. The April tour shows followed a semi-pattern, the three main elements of which were: --A track that opens like Cherokee Lane (with those characteristic 'jet engine' noises that open CL on 'Encore'), but often goes off on a tangent; --A close-to-'Encore' version of Monolight. --A track that opens with some TD trademark 'speaking in tongues' gibberish voices, which then progresses into a long, indulgent EF guitar solo. The so-called Toronto show follows this pattern, which leads me to believe that if there probably wasn't a Toronto April 1977 concert, per Scott's research, then this tape has to be a mislabelled '77 concert. Although I have to admit, there are some folks chatting at the beginning of the tape who sound vaguely Canadian (whatever that means....). Next task--to compare it to the other Canadian '77 shows.... --John Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6151 Re: More inconclusive Toronto 1977 stuff Plumer, Scott Sun 7/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 25, 1997 7:18 pm Subject: OASIS VIDEO Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hello I'm just listening and watching Oasis video. Although on the cover it's said it's digitally mastered HI-FI Stereo it is not. My video is stereo and I see it's working on HI-FI mode but I'm only listening to a low-fi mono recording. Is this happening to anybody else ? --Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jul 25, 1997 11:32 pm Subject: D: McBain Really-From: Vic Rek This is a very obscure release by Christopher Franke. It was only released as a promo (pre-release) and there is very little information on the CD. The front insert states that the music was composed by C. Franke and the disc states that the music was performed by Chris and the Berlin Symphonic Orchestra. There are 15 tracks and the total running time is 38:22. The disc was released by Sonic Images Germany with a catalog number SICD 5011. I decided to give it a spin today and here is my short summary: McBain Soundtrack track 1 - Long vocal tracks - I recognize this voice but can't name it. 2 - Nice symphonic longer track (interesting) 3 - Cool 'longish' percussive track with some elements from Ricochet 4 - Short symphonic 5 - Pacific Coast Hwy (PCH) type song 6 - Mix of PCH and symphony 7 - Short symphonic 8 - Short melancholy piece 9 - Fast-paced percussive and symphonic 10 - Electronic w/guitar (rock 'n roll) 11-13 - Typical short symphonic soundtrack pieces w/some electronics 14 - Interesting short electronic piece 15 - Vocal ballad Tracks 1 and 15 don't fit with the soundtrack; they're totally different, but I can see how they could go with the movie. I've never seen the movie, but maybe I'll rent it this weekend. I give this release a strong 2AS! One final note, none of the tracks have titles, so maybe someone who has this CD and the movie could put the two together and come up with some interesting titles. I will give a nice TD related gift to anyone who takes on this task!!! Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: videos Really-From: Balazs Molnar Hi to everyone, I've just joined the list. I am looking for videos recorded at 1980-85 concerts (e.g. Pergamon, Poland or something like that) Does anyone know anything about them? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6136 Re: videos Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 7/26/1997 3 KB 6142 Re: videos Marcel Engels Sun 7/27/1997 3 KB 6144 Re: videos GG Sun 7/27/1997 2 KB 6146 Re: videos Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 7/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 26, 1997 12:32 am Subject: News from Poland Really-From: Vic Rek Well fellow Dreamers, During my vacation I visited Poland and spent about two weeks there enjoying the people, culture, family, and avoiding the floods. I also met a famous person in this TD culture. He is Peter Stoeferle, the co-author of 'Voices in the Dunes' and the editor of 'Dream Collector'. I met him in the old part of Warsaw Poland for a beer. I guess it was a special occasion because Bill Clinton was there at the same time (just one square over) giving a speech, but we wouldn't invite him over for a brew since he would've disrupted our TD discussions. Anyway, Peter is a great guy to meet and know, and I hope more people from this list 'take the chance' to meet the others from this list. Remember what your MBA professor always said 'Networking'! Anyway, I didn't do much music shopping, but I did come across a few items worth mentioning to this list. Poland has licensed various TD releases on cassette only (I guess because legal CDs are still too expensive). I came across many, mostly all of the new Castle/Sequel releases on cassette. I picked up a few and here are the details: Tangerine Dream Pergamon - Poland, Metal Mind Records CAST 0024, rel. 1997 Dead Solid Perfect - Poland, SPV SS 00794, rel. 1994 Goblin's Club - Poland, Metal Mind Records CAST 0007, rel. 1997 The actual cassette states a catalog number of CAST 0008. And Klaus Schulze Are You Sequenced? - Poland, Warner Music 0630-18697-4, CD Disc One Only! * All of the above releases have full foldout liner notes. I also came across the others from Atem to LeParc, but I didn't feel like collecting them all. But I can track down the catalog numbers of all of these releases if we need them for the 'Voices in the Dunes' update. Once again, these are legal releases in Poland. Still more to come, Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 26, 1997 2:20 am Subject: Re: videos Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I appreciate your message written at 02:19 AM 7/26/97 PDT, Balazs Molnar. You wrote: >Hi to everyone, I've just joined the list. > >I am looking for videos recorded at 1980-85 concerts (e.g. Pergamon, >Poland or something like that) Does anyone know anything about >them? Isten hozott, Balazs The following are the only videos that I am aware of: Commercial (legitimate) Videos: Miramar-BMG - Canyon Dreams Miramar-BMG MPV 8501 - Three Phase (Seattle Concert Nov. 1992) Castle Communications - The Video Dream Mixes 1996 Camera One - Oasis Bootleg: * 'An evening in L.A' TD live in Los Angeles, Oct 30, 1992, encores from the Detroit show and some TV interviews and video clips. A 3 hour video in a printed box. The picture quality on my (VHS-) copy isn't good, but the sound is quite clear. If there are others I would also be intersted to know. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 26, 1997 4:11 am Subject: Lorie-keets! Really-From: pjv@a... (Phil Vendy) I hope this one gets through, it's a jpg file - if I try and GIF it it doesn't come out too well. Hope you have a jpg-capable viewer! The little critters are lorikeets! Thanks for the help with the Zip! I'll have to work out a time when I can call Cindy. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 26, 1997 5:58 am Subject: Re: THIEF Director's Cut > THE KEEP Director's Cut? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-23 14:52:57 EDT, you write: << Gee, if there's a 'director's cut' version of THIEF, maybe there's a chance that Michael Mann might release a 'director's cut' of THE KEEP. Lord knows that the more footage reinstated into this film, the better. -- Steven Feldman >> It might even have the affect of making this into a good movie, in my opinion of course. It certainly has the potential, but not the result as released. Words I used to describe it were; plodding, confusing, disjointed, vague, overly symbolic, unfinished, meandering, etc., etc. Good music though. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 26, 1997 1:10 pm Subject: No attachments on Mailing Lists Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: pjv@a... (Phil Vendy) > > >I hope this one gets through, it's a jpg file - if I try and GIF it it To those trying to send MIDI and graphic files to the list: Most mailing lists have restrictions on file sizes and simply ignore attachments. The best answer is to put them on a webpage. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 26, 1997 1:19 pm Subject: off topic: VHShi-fi tracking w/ OASIS Really-From: fishy_ment@e... Seems like you're experiencing an unfortunate VHS hi-fi azimuth head tracking problem associated w/ various consumer-level VCRs. I suspect even if you adjust the tracking, the Hi-Fi (AFM) tracks will drop to linear mono and then (if lucky) back to Hi-Fi. FYI, the Hi-Fi (AFM) tracks are embedded w/ the video tracks. More tech info are available upon request. It's most likely you're using an earlier model VCR or a lesser sophisticated deck. I noticed that JVC ('92-'97), Panasonic ('93-'97), & Sony ('94-'97) models are able to play OASIS flawlessly. Other brands are unable for real-world compatibility test. -TsL > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > Hello > > I'm just listening and watching Oasis video. > Although on the cover it's said it's digitally mastered HI-FI Stereo > it is not. > My video is stereo and I see it's working on HI-FI mode but I'm only > listening > to a low-fi mono recording. > > Is this happening to anybody else ? > > - --Francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6143 Re: off topic: VHShi-fi tracking w/ OASIS Francisco Salgado C. Sun 7/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 26, 1997 3:29 pm Subject: U.S. Tour? Really-From: 'Bradley Love' Does anyone know if TD will be coming to the US anytime in the next couple of years? I'm new to the list and have no idea if this subject has been discussed before. Bradley Love From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 26, 1997 3:28 pm Subject: Re: videos Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > The following are the only videos that I am aware of: > > Commercial (legitimate) Videos: > > Miramar-BMG - Canyon Dreams > Miramar-BMG MPV 8501 - Three Phase (Seattle Concert Nov. 1992) > Castle Communications - The Video Dream Mixes 1996 > Camera One - Oasis > > Bootleg: > > * 'An evening in L.A' TD live in Los Angeles, Oct 30, 1992, > encores from > the Detroit show and some TV interviews and video clips. A 3 > hour video > in a printed box. The picture quality on my (VHS-) copy isn't > good, but > the sound is quite clear. > > If there are others I would also be intersted to know. > > Andrew I have: Tangerine Dream: Live Munich '82. Quality is OK. Live Coventry Cathedral '75. Quality is acceptable. Live East-Berlin '90 Quality is good/sound not so. Klaus Schulze: Stahlsynfonie '81 Quality is good (great show) Kraftwerk: Brussel/Milano '91 Quality is OK/acceptable Robert Schroeder: Schwingungen concert ('90?) Quality is OK. I'd be willing to copy some of them for a video of TD (preferable pre 87). Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 26, 1997 4:35 pm Subject: Re: off topic: VHShi-fi tracking w/ OASIS Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: fishy_ment@e... > > Seems like you're experiencing an unfortunate VHS hi-fi azimuth head > tracking problem associated w/ various consumer-level VCRs. I suspect > even if you adjust the tracking, the Hi-Fi (AFM) tracks will drop to > linear mono and then (if lucky) back to Hi-Fi. Thanks for the reply. Well this is not the case. I don't see any linear mono dropping. I'm using a Panasonic HI-FI VHS with almost no problem with HI-FI recordings, and I see it's using the HI-FI mode since it is marked as Hi-Fi on the display and there is no mono dropping at all, but although it's playing in HI-FI mode the sound is mono ( and the quality is rather poor as if recorded from a mono source but on a HI-FI VHS recorder). I think it's a production defect, and I've sent a message to Netstore and Voiceprint. My message was to see if somebody else has noticed the mono quality of the video ( that is very evident if you compare it to the CD. --Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 27, 1997 4:11 am Subject: Re: videos Really-From: GG > Isten hozott, Balazs Hajra, magyarok... You will find the next TD videos 10 km away from Budapest :) Canyon Dreams Three Phase (US 1992 + clips) Berlin 1990 (fan recording) An evening in LA (US 1992 fan recording) Coventry 1975 (edited TV broadcast overdubbed with Ricochet) Athen 1983 (TV broadcast) Munich 1981 (TV broadcast) GG Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6146 Re: videos Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 7/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Auction Last Call Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! Well, it's almost time to wrap this thing up! The auction closes at 11:59pmCST tomorrow, so lets get those last bids in, ok? Remember...sometimes an item can go for just the minimum bid... There are a few rare goodies in here...read carefully and follow the rules... RULES: 1- All prices listed are US$ minimum bids. Highest bid wins. If you think it's too high, don't bid. HOWEVER, IF YOU WHINE TO THE LIST ABOUT THE PRICES YOU FORFEIT YOU RIGHT TO BID! 2- All bids are to be sent to my e-mail address. DO NOT REPLY TO THE LIST! IF YOU DO YOU FORFIET YOUR RIGHT TO BID! (And no, I won't listen to 'oops, it was an accident.' Learn how to use your e-mail program.) 3- Auction closes Sunday, July 27. Period. VINYL LOOT: ($75) Orange Festival LP & 45, no covers (2 sets; price for each) (-/m) (sold as set only!) ($25) Orange Festival 45 (2 copies; price for each) (-/m) ($15) Das Madchen auf der Treppe 45 (g/vg) ($15) Warsaw in the Sun 45 (vg/vg+) ($25) Warsaw in the Sun 12' (vg/vg) ($75) 'Poland Collectors' Set': 2LP Picture Disk, Warsaw shaped 45 (-/vg+) (sold as set only!) ($10) Streethawk 12' c/o (g/m) ($20) Streethawk 12' (vg/m) ($20) Dolphin Dance 12' (vg/m) ($30) Ages (EF) (vg/vg) CD LOOT: ($40) Heartbreakers (original issue) ($75) A Time for Heroes ($25) Tyger (original issue) ($60) Antarktis/20th Century Serenades (sold as set only!) ($30) Mystery Tracks (2 copies; price for each) ($20) Rockoon Special Edition CD5 (2 copies; price for each) ($20) Dreamtime CD5 (4 copies; price for each) ($20) Shepards Bush CD5 (#'s 343, 344; price for each) ($50) Rare Trax 2 (#'s 13, 14, 15; price for each) ($20) Dig It (KS) ($25) Wuivend Reit (JS) (original US issue) MISC. LOOT: ($20) '81 Elektra Promo B/W Photo (3 copies; price for each) ($25) '92 Tour Book (4 copies; price for each) Let the bidding continue! goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6147 Re: Auction Last Call Vic Rek Sun 7/27/1997 2 KB 6148 Re: Auction Last Call Hermes Guzman Sun 7/27/1997 2 KB 6149 Re: Auction Last Call Robert Schmenger Sun 7/27/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jul 26, 1997 8:58 pm Subject: Re: videos Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' See, Balazs? The wonder of the Internet? Isn't it amazing? It seems that, YOU can have more videos in Hungary than I can in the US.... :-( Almozodj tovabbra is :-) (Dream on) Andrew >Really-From: GG > > >> Isten hozott, Balazs > >Hajra, magyarok... > >You will find the next TD videos 10 km away from Budapest :) > >Canyon Dreams >Three Phase (US 1992 + clips) >Berlin 1990 (fan recording) >An evening in LA (US 1992 fan recording) >Coventry 1975 (edited TV broadcast overdubbed with Ricochet) >Athen 1983 (TV broadcast) >Munich 1981 (TV broadcast) > >GG > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 27, 1997 3:28 am Subject: Re: Auction Last Call Really-From: Vic Rek At 03:30 PM 7/26/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >RULES: >2- All bids are to be sent to my e-mail address. DO NOT REPLY TO THE LIST! >IF YOU DO YOU FORFIET YOUR RIGHT TO BID! (And no, I won't listen to 'oops, >it was an accident.' Learn how to use your e-mail program.) whois tadream? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Auction Last Call Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Hey! >Really-From: Vic Rek > > >At 03:30 PM 7/26/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >>RULES: >>2- All bids are to be sent to my e-mail address. DO NOT REPLY TO THE LIST! >>IF YOU DO YOU FORFIET YOUR RIGHT TO BID! (And no, I won't listen to 'oops, >>it was an accident.' Learn how to use your e-mail program.) > >whois tadream? Yeah, yeah, YEAH! pbthbpthpthpbhphtbhtphphpbthpbthp!! 8 P goozer (who has learned to CAREFULLY look at which nickname he types in BEFORE he hits send! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 27, 1997 9:20 am Subject: Re: Auction Last Call Really-From: 'Robert Schmenger' Hello Goozer Did you receive my e-mail from last week, with my bid for the Heartbreakers CD? robert ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Auction Last Call > Date: Saturday, July 26, 1997 10:30 PM > > Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > > > Greetings all! > > Well, it's almost time to wrap this thing up! The auction closes at > 11:59pmCST tomorrow, so lets get those last bids in, ok? > Remember...sometimes an item can go for just the minimum bid... > > There are a few rare goodies in here...read carefully and follow the rules... > > RULES: > 1- All prices listed are US$ minimum bids. Highest bid wins. If you think > it's too high, don't bid. HOWEVER, IF YOU WHINE TO THE LIST ABOUT THE > PRICES YOU FORFEIT YOU RIGHT TO BID! > > 2- All bids are to be sent to my e-mail address. DO NOT REPLY TO THE LIST! > IF YOU DO YOU FORFIET YOUR RIGHT TO BID! (And no, I won't listen to 'oops, > it was an accident.' Learn how to use your e-mail program.) > > 3- Auction closes Sunday, July 27. Period. > > VINYL LOOT: > ($75) Orange Festival LP & 45, no covers (2 sets; price for each) (-/m) > (sold as set only!) > ($25) Orange Festival 45 (2 copies; price for each) (-/m) > ($15) Das Madchen auf der Treppe 45 (g/vg) > ($15) Warsaw in the Sun 45 (vg/vg+) > ($25) Warsaw in the Sun 12' (vg/vg) > ($75) 'Poland Collectors' Set': 2LP Picture Disk, Warsaw shaped 45 (-/vg+) > (sold as set only!) > ($10) Streethawk 12' c/o (g/m) > ($20) Streethawk 12' (vg/m) > ($20) Dolphin Dance 12' (vg/m) > ($30) Ages (EF) (vg/vg) > > CD LOOT: > ($40) Heartbreakers (original issue) > ($75) A Time for Heroes > ($25) Tyger (original issue) > ($60) Antarktis/20th Century Serenades (sold as set only!) > ($30) Mystery Tracks (2 copies; price for each) > ($20) Rockoon Special Edition CD5 (2 copies; price for each) > ($20) Dreamtime CD5 (4 copies; price for each) > ($20) Shepards Bush CD5 (#'s 343, 344; price for each) > ($50) Rare Trax 2 (#'s 13, 14, 15; price for each) > ($20) Dig It (KS) > ($25) Wuivend Reit (JS) (original US issue) > > MISC. LOOT: > ($20) '81 Elektra Promo B/W Photo (3 copies; price for each) > ($25) '92 Tour Book (4 copies; price for each) > > Let the bidding continue! > > goozer > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 27, 1997 10:13 am Subject: Re: Thief (Sorcerer actually) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >One question, Scott: Suppose William Friedkin _did_ add the music in > >post-production, how do you suppose he dealt with the 'incidental' > >music that was going over those loudspeakers in the jungle and > >undoubtedly got on the soundtrack along with the dialog? Or do you > >think he made a 'silent movie' and dubbed in all the dialog in > >post-production too? > > They probably re-recorded the dialog after filming or turned off > the music during actual takes. If it wasn't done one of these ways, > you'd hear music ALL THE TIME, and during every scene that uses more > than one camera angle (Probably every scene!) there would be > incongruous gaps in the music. ... Sounds to me like you're guessing, Scott. You wouldn't hear music ALL THE TIME. Just when it was playing. (Duh!) I haven't seen the movie, but I would imagine (yes, imagine) that the big loudspeakers in the jungle were used for the 'wide' shots (of which I have gathered there were rather a lot of), not the closeups or heavy dialog scenes. How often do you see a movie where dialog scenes have backing music? -- not often, if ever, I'll bet. > ... I'm surprised no one seems to have figured this out. Nonetheless, a number of folks have reported that the loudspeakers went on the soundtrack. What's to figure out? > In a scene where two people are talking, for example, and the camera > cuts back and forth between them, ... Oh sure, sure, sure. This is how it's usually done -- and quite funny to watch as an actor does one half of a conversation in front of a camera. The more serious the dialog, the funnier. (I wish I could see De Niro work like that. I'm sure I'd be rolling on the ground in a second.) Well, I guess I'll have to rent 'Sorcerer' and see for myself. I'll have to rent a TV too. And a VCR. Cheers -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6152 Re: Thief (Sorcerer actually) Plumer, Scott Sun 7/27/1997 2 KB 6158 Re: Thief (Sorcerer actually) Mark Filipak Sun 7/27/1997 3 KB 6163 Re: Thief (Sorcerer actually) feldon@p... Mon 7/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 27, 1997 1:20 pm Subject: RE: More inconclusive Toronto 1977 stuff Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>>Have we ever resolved the Toronto '77 dispute? I just finished looking >>>in the Globe & Mail from April and August 1977. The only trace of TD I >>>could find was an ad from April 9 for the show in Hamilton on April 15. >>>There was no indication of a show EVER happening in Toronto. >--A track that opens like Cherokee Lane (with those characteristic 'jet engine' >noises that open CL on 'Encore'), but often goes off on a tangent; :-) ^^^^^ >The so-called Toronto show follows this pattern, which leads me to >believe that >if there probably wasn't a Toronto April 1977 concert, per Scott's >research, >then this tape has to be a mislabelled '77 concert. Although I have to Hang on, John. I've never meant to imply that there wasn't a Toronto show, just that there was no advert or listing for it. Reason? Perhaps the show sold out early, so there was no reason for further advertising. I only checked from April & August 1, so there may have been an ad prior to that. When I looked for ads from the Cleveland show, for example, I found nothing but a tiny listing for it, that I found by accident. A friend of mine who was at the show said it sold out, so that may explain the lack of an ad. I still believe that a Toronto show happened April 8, I just haven't seen any evidence of it. Perhaps a Torontan could call the Convocation Hall and ask someone? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 27, 1997 1:29 pm Subject: RE: Thief (Sorcerer actually) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Sounds to me like you're guessing, Scott. You wouldn't hear music ALL >THE TIME. Just when it was playing. (Duh!) I haven't seen the movie, >but I would imagine (yes, imagine) that the big loudspeakers in the >jungle were used for the 'wide' shots (of which I have gathered there >were rather a lot of), not the closeups or heavy dialog scenes. How I still highly doubt it, since it would sound terrible. First of all, jungles are rather uneven surfaces, which would cause the sound to scatter, then there's the fact that sound doesn't travel well through hot, humid air. It sounds like an Urban Legend in the making. Perhaps I'll rent it as well, then render a more erudite opinion. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 27, 1997 3:57 pm Subject: D:Univeral Soldier Really-From: Vic Rek This soundtrack is entirely symphonic with an occasional guitar chord thrown in. This release sounds like any of the dozens of symphonic soundtracks out there and really didn't have an impact on me. Chris Franke composed the music, but he doesn't play on this soundtrack (as far as I could discern). I rate this as 1AS. Note for you completists. There is a soundtrack out titled 'Universal Soldiers' and contains music from 'Universal Soldier' and 9 other films with plots based on commandos, cyborgs, etc. There are 7 edited tracks by Franke on this compilation which was relased by Edel and Silva Screen. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 27, 1997 3:58 pm Subject: D:Solo - Week 7, July 28, 1997 Really-From: Vic Rek This week of July 28, 1997 we would like to hear comments on: Christopher Franke - New Music for Films: Vol. 1 ------------------------------------------------ Please make subject title 'D:New Music for Films: Vol. 1' when commenting. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 27, 1997 5:02 pm Subject: RE: Univeral Soldier Really-From: Jim Moore >Note for you completists. There is a soundtrack out titled 'Universal >Soldiers' and contains music from 'Universal Soldier' and 9 other films >with plots based on commandos, cyborgs, etc. There are 7 edited tracks by >Franke on this compilation which was relased by Edel and Silva Screen. Are all the 7 Franke tracks from UNiversal Soldier, or are there other movies (like 'Solo') in the mix? - jim 'A committee is a cul-de-sac down which ideas are lured and then quietly strangled.' -- Sir Barnett Cocks jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 27, 1997 6:17 pm Subject: 'Paris edge' Really-From: ashok prema The 'Voyager' magazine editor Jason, tells me that 'Paris Edge' is the whole (or 74 mins of it) of the 1986 Paris Concert - previously released as part of the triple cd set '3 Tier Dream' - the beginnings been cut to ensure the ending fits on the cd-R. Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 27, 1997 8:56 pm Subject: Re:Steve's 40th Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-07-25 12:11:52 EDT, you write: << Errr, the Crypt Keeper is the mascot for Showtime's TALES FROM THE CRYPT series. I specifically didn't sign up for Showtime until the Showtime THE OUTER LIMITS series (revival of the 1960s show, but comprised not of re-runs, but all-new episodes) came on (hey, and now that Showtime has all-new series based on POLTERGEIST, THE HUNGER, and STARGATE, there's good stuff on here, folks!), you might want to call me 'The Keeper' instead. This way, it'd not only be a pun on THE KEEP, but would recall the best LOST IN SPACE two-parter, starring Michael Rennie of THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL fame: 'The Keeper.' Boy, I sure am a product of pop culture, aren't I? ;) Interesting trivia: my interest in e-music comes from watching and liking the music and sound effects from 1960's sci-fi TV shows when I was growing up. To me, TD comes closest to that stuff. Give a listen to the FORBIDDEN PLANET soundtrack if you want a real experience.>> You're in good company, Steven. I will turn 40 in Sept. (eeh, gads!!) so I know the feeling :-) I too am a product of 60's pop culture. I even experimented with cashing in on the current trend in collectibles from the 50's and 60's by renting some space in an antique mall type place for a couple of years. I may have been ahead of my time. Unfortunately, after paying rent and commission to the mall, and a large rate of theft - I decided it was economically unviable to continue (in that location at least). I think too many people around here had a 'flea market' or 'garage sale' mentality and would not pay what things were really worth. I still have a great collection of 'cool' stuff, though. I may try again in a better place one of these days. Your comments about Showtime reminded of something. I recently saw 'Mystery Science Theater 3000; The Movie' on Showtime. If you haven't seen it, it deals with an astronaut and his two 'cheesy' robot companions who are being held in orbit as prisoners of a mad scientist who is experimenting with their minds to see if really bad 'B' sci-fi movies will destroy their minds...if so, he will take over the Earth! Well, they thwart his plans by watching his movies and surviving by constantly making snide, wise-ass jokes during the film. In this case, the movie was 'This Island Earth'. (Not THAT bad of a film, IMO). But, in one scene the principle characters are in these big plastic tubes [being physically acclaimated for a long space journey by their alien captors) and are about to be attacked by a mutant-insect 'worker' that has snuck on board. In the background is playing some classic sci-fi Theramin music! That's when the astronaut watching the film says 'Oh, wow....cool Tangerine Dream music, man'!! I know they were slamming the film and it's soundtrack, but it was sort of a back-handed slap at TD, as well. None-the-less, I thought it was amusing! Cheers! And happy birthday! Graf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6166 Re: Steve's 40th Pete Mon 7/28/1997 3 KB 6168 Re: Steve's 40th Plumer, Scott Mon 7/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 27, 1997 9:17 pm Subject: Re: Thief (Sorcerer actually) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > Sounds to me like you're guessing, Scott. You wouldn't hear music > > ALL THE TIME. Just when it was playing. (Duh!) I haven't seen the > > movie, but I would imagine (yes, imagine) that the big loudspeakers > > in the jungle were used for the 'wide' shots (of which I have > > gathered there were rather a lot of), not the closeups or heavy > > dialog scenes. > > I still highly doubt it, since it would sound terrible. First of > all, jungles are rather uneven surfaces, which would cause the sound > to scatter, then there's the fact that sound doesn't travel well > through hot, humid air. It sounds like an Urban Legend in the making. > Perhaps I'll rent it as well, then render a more erudite opinion. Sorry Scott. But it still sounds like you're guessing. I'm persuaded by your arguement, but I'm more persuaded by the truth. All or part of TD's music for Sorcerer found it's way onto the soundtrack via 'live' playing over giant speakers in the jungle during the shooting: fact or urban (jungle) myth? -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 27, 1997 10:03 pm Subject: RE: Universal Soldier Really-From: Vic Rek At 01:02 PM 7/27/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Jim Moore >>Note for you completists. There is a soundtrack out titled 'Universal >>Soldiers' and contains music from 'Universal Soldier' and 9 other films >>with plots based on commandos, cyborgs, etc. There are 7 edited tracks by >>Franke on this compilation which was released by Edel and Silva Screen. > >Are all the 7 Franke tracks from UNiversal Soldier, or are there >other movies (like 'Solo') in the mix? All 7 are from Universal Soldier and some tracks have different running times from the original soundtrack. Details: (times are taken from the insert, not actual CD register) Track Universal Soldier Universal Soldiers Comp. McGregor 1:51 1:52 Grand Canyon 5:20 2:24 I'm Already Dead 1:45 1:45 Unisols on Fire 2:37 2:05 Going Home 1:54 1:57 The Explosion 1:40 1:42 Finale 1:31 1:31 If you're looking for this soundtrack in the US, I'd suggest calling 'Media Play'. I think it's out of print, but they may have a copy or two in their warehouse. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34314 Universal Soldier fozziebear Wed 6/12/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 27, 1997 11:22 pm Subject: Kiew Mission - A True Story Part 2 Really-From: Vic Rek A few months ago I posted an article about my trip I had planned to the country of Ukraine (city of Kiev). I did this in response to some interesting posts about the titles from TD's 'Exit' album and where they came from. It would be nice to re-visit this topic. I recall 'Remote Viewing', 'Choronzon', and 'Pilots of Purple Twilight' had some interesting discussions. Anyway, some info about Ukraine and TD-related music: I visited a friend there (met through Internet) for a few days in July. I must admit that this is an exotic and fascinating place. I think the city is some 1400 years old (well, at least 1000 years). The architecture of the old city is beautiful. You see many Eastern Orthodox churches. One thing that was interesting was that wherever I went I heard Western (in English) music playing. I guess they are fond of Western culture (Two McDonalds now! - oh boy!). I even saw many placards advertising 'Scorpions' live in concert on July 17th. Anyway, you can say that this place is where 'the world ends and begins'. Worth a visit, but be careful at the airport and everywhere else. This is still a very poor country and corruption and crime is common. Now about the music. On every corner in downtown you can find someone selling pirate (counterfeit) tapes and CDs. I looked everywhere for TD material, but only the main music store in town had some TD CDs, and they were legal releases at Western prices. Most of these pirate releases are manufactured in Bulgaria. I guess TD didn't make it farther east than Poland, because artists like JM Jarre and Vangelis had plenty of pirate CDs available. Average price is about $3. I think those Bulgarian bootleggers only copy the most popular ones. I saw plenty of Pink Floyd also. So what did I get? A tape of Klaus Schulze's Body Love. This tape was made in Ukraine under the guise of 'Kiev Compact Club'. There is an insert that describes the club rules and procedures in Cyrillic. I also picked up a cassette of Richard Wright's 'Broken China' on cassette manufactured on the Euro Star label. Oh, and I also bought a cassette of Julio Iglesias for my friend (yes, she's is a female). That's all for now, and yes I do have a life besides this list. My son is on vacation so I have some extra time to bombard you with strange information. If you want to travel to the Ukraine and need more info, please e-mail me off list. There are many stories to tell that would not be appropriate for this list. BTW, no Russian TD flexis found. I still think they are all manufactured in Germany! Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 27, 1997 11:22 pm Subject: This is Space (Box Set) Really-From: Vic Rek I came across another new 1997 box set released on the US Cleopatra label that has TD and Klaus Schulze on it. It is titled 'This is Space' at a 'Killer Price!' and contains 4 CDs. CD 1 and 2 is a re-package of the Various Artists (VA) compilation 'Space Daze' which features Kraftwerk, Hawkwind, The Orb, Helios Creed, The Legendary Pink Dots, Gong, Ozric Tentacles, Spiral Realms, Brian Eno, Pressurehead, Syd Barrett, Amon Duul II, Nik Turner, and of course Tangerine Dream (Movements of a Visionary). CD 3 is the same as the VA compilation 'Space Daze 2000' and features FSOL, Hawkwind, Roxy Music, Anubian Nights, Klaus Schulze (Wahnfried 1883), David Bowie, Zero Gravity, and Fripp and Eno amongst others. CD 4 is called a bonus CD and features an ambient CD by 'Dead Voices on Air' - New World Machine. I haven't listened to this yet. I will part with this new box set for $25 (post included in the US) to the first person who wants it. Later, Vic NP: TD - Oasis (still don't like it!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6174 Re: This is Space (Box Set) MCINTYRE@p... Mon 7/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jul 27, 1997 11:55 pm Subject: D: ><><>> New Music For Films - Vol. 1 <<><>< Really-From: PNaunton@a... Is there a Vol. 2? Chris Franke New Music For Films Vol. 1 Published 1993 Purchased 1996 Format -- CD Sonic Images SI-8509-2 Of the twenty-four tracks here, most are quite short. There is one which extends for over seven minutes but most clock in at under two. Not that this is a measure of lacking quality, mind you. It does indicate, however, that the music is, for the most part, one shot ideas. The music, herein, is too brief to have the opportunity to demonstrate the developmental style or transitional continuity of Franke's composing skills. This _is_ a shame. Most of the music is also orchestral in nature, and, although the Franke personality is there all the time, the true impact of his talent is somewhat watered down by the abundant instrumentation, not to mention the clinical approach of the studio musicians. Unlike some of Franke's other works, for example 'The London Concert' or 'Klemania', this album has never been on my recording list. The other two titles above did spend some time on this list however; for whatever that is worth. Both actually occupied a space on this list as recently as last month. Like 'Pacific Coast Highway' I keep this one in the collection for more-or-less 'Noblesse Oblige'. If someone came into the house and ransacked the place and made off with this one recording, I doubt if I would ever miss it. Of course the chance of this scenario occurring, as describe above, is far beyond infinite improbability, so I am probably destined to hang onto this one forever. ZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzzz! Huh! Oops, sorry I must have dozed off. Some of the later tracks on this album should definitely be patented as sleep inducers. I don't think I'm being _too_ harsh. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6189 Re: D: ><><>> New Music For Films - Vol. 1 <<><> Gaza Grand Master of Gazitsu Wed 7/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 28, 1997 12:44 am Subject: RE: Thief (Sorcerer actually) Really-From: feldon@p... Tangents Boxed Set Interviews of Edgar Froese (conducted by Mark Pendergast) ------------------------------------------------------------ No sooner was work on Tangram finished than work began on the soundtrack for...Thief... A serious commitment, a huge GDS computer was brought in from Music Technology, Inc. to help with the synchronisation. Froese was especially enthusiastic: 'It was a pleasure because we had a finished film to work from. When we did Sorcerer, we created the music before a foot of film had been shot....Making the soundtrack allowed us to play around in the studio a bit and create a piece of music we thought would fit the picture like a glove...' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Two Versions of THIEF: Excited Over Nothing Really-From: Steven Feldman Well, unfortunately, there's very little difference between the regular video release of THIEF and the letterboxed director's version. The music's the same, for one. For two, there are only two differences in the film itself. One is an inane scene where James Caan's character eats a sandwich while talking to a fisherman right after the opening heist and before the day scene that intros Caan at his car dealership. The other is significant, in a sense. In the original version, when Caan's character throws out Tuesday Weld's character, he says softly, 'Get out,' three times, and then says it so loudly a fourth time that she jumps, and you think that Caan's character really *is* a big dickhead. It's the most upsetting scene in the entire film. In the letterboxed director's cut, the loud fourth 'get out' has been excised, which leaves Caan's character much more sympathetic as the film winds down to its downbeat conclusion. So, those are the differences. So much for getting *this* TD fan's hopes up. ;) -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: LUCK Really-From: Balazs Molnar Hi, It's Balazs (I am the one who was looking for the videos) Thanks all you guys who gave me info. Anyway, it turned out that one of the Dreamers - namely GG - lives in the same country (Hungary), in the same village (Kerepes) like me (ca.1000m away) ... LUCK????!!!!!????? [Hey GG I drop in this week if you don't mind - I am really interested in your videos!!!] ANYBODY ELSE FROM HUNGARY???? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6181 Re: LUCK PNaunton@a... Tue 7/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 28, 1997 3:58 am Subject: Re:Steve's 40th At 16:56 199707.27 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... >Your comments about Showtime reminded of something. I recently saw 'Mystery >Science Theater 3000; The Movie' on Showtime. If you haven't seen it, it >has snuck on board. In the background is playing some classic sci-fi >Theramin music! That's when the astronaut watching the film says 'Oh, >wow....cool Tangerine Dream music, man'!! I know they were slamming the film >and it's soundtrack, but it was sort of a back-handed slap at TD, as well. > None-the-less, I thought it was amusing! >Cheers! And happy birthday! >Graf I remember a quote by the creator of MST3K..... 'The question isn't whether everyone finds this funny, but the *right* ones find this funny.' 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 28, 1997 11:58 am Subject: FIRESTARTER digitally remastered on Sci-Fi channel Really-From: fishy_ment@e... I saw a vastly improved & letter-boxed [film to video] transfer of the movie FIRESTARTER on the Sci-Fi channel couple of weeks ago. Too bad didn't record it. :(- It was such a joy watching the movie on the broadcast feed. Comparing it w/ the original VHS release, the difference is drastic. The most obvious characteristic is the color quality. Every clarity and subtle detail (on the a&v section of the new re-issue) were preserved like it was made in 1997! I was wondering if such release is on LD or it's exclusively for broadcast TV only? -TsL From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 28, 1997 1:05 pm Subject: RE: Steve's 40th Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > call me 'The Keeper' instead. This way, it'd not only be a pun on THE > KEEP, but would recall the best LOST IN SPACE two-parter, starring > Michael Rennie of THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL fame: 'The Keeper.' > Boy, I sure am a product of pop culture, aren't I? ;) > 'The Keeper' is also what the Game Master is called in the Call of > Cthulhu role-playing game. It's short for 'Keeper of Arcane Lore.' > Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: More Inanity re Steve's 40th: Cthulhu/Lovecraft Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: RE: Steve's 40th >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:05:25 -0400 >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >> 'The Keeper' is also what the Game Master is called in the Call of >> Cthulhu role-playing game. It's short for 'Keeper of Arcane Lore.' Don't tell Mr. Filipak about it. I wanted to call a tape of TD's May 1986 Providence, Rhode Island (home of H.P. Lovecraft, who wrote 'The Call of Cthulhu' in the first place) 'Necronomicon,' but he didn't want any negative connotations associated with the band. I see his point, and--if pressed--agree, but since I'm from Providence (before coming to live in Brookline, near Boston, Massachusetts) and grew up on stuff like Jules Verne, C.S. Lewis, Tolkien, Ray Bradbury, Robert E. Howard (creator of CONAN THE BARBARIAN and KING KULL) . . . and H. P. Lovecraft, I thought calling a TD boot 'Necronomicon' was only too natural. For one of my final English papers when I was an undergrad, I wrote a great (if I do say so myself) Lovecraft pasiche/homage/ ripoff called 'That Which Follows,' which was made up almost entirely of real people--who were Lovecraft scholars (!) and in charge of the Lovecraft Collection at Brown University's John Hay Library (the most extensive Lovecraft holdings in the world)--and took place on actual locations in and around the John Hay. Why am I am going on about this? This morning, on Showtime, they were showing the Vincent Price movie, THE HAUNTED PALACE, which was based on a Lovecraft story. Small world, ain't it? ;) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6171 Re: More Inanity re Steve's 40th: Cthulhu/Lovecra Plumer, Scott Mon 7/28/1997 2 KB 6176 Re: More Inanity re Steve's 40th: Cthulhu/Lovecra GrafZeigen@a... Tue 7/29/1997 3 KB 6177 Re: More Inanity re Steve's 40th: Cthulhu/Lovecra GrafZeigen@a... Tue 7/29/1997 3 KB 6180 Re: More Inanity re Steve's 40th: Cthulhu/Lovecra Vic Rek Tue 7/29/1997 2 KB 6182 Re: More Inanity re Steve's 40th: Cthulhu/Lovecra feldon@p... Tue 7/29/1997 3 KB 6198 Re: Even Still More Inanity re Steve's 40th: Cthu Michael Fox Wed 7/30/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: CONAN, THIEF, NEAR DARK . . . Really-From: Steven Feldman I always wanted to ask how it can be that Edgar claimed that he turned down doing the soundtrack to CONAN THE BARBARIAN because he disapproved of the film/story's content, and then he goes and scores other horrific stuff like THE KEEP, FIRESTARTER, NEAR DARK, and RED NIGHTS (a chicks-in-prison flick, basically). Also, THIEF is about a convicted theif who kills his enemies and walks away, and RED MIGHTS is about an out-of-work actor who winds up in porno movies, so what's the story? Also, SPASMS doesn't sound like too wholesome a venture for someone who turned down CONAN, either. ;) Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 28, 1997 2:05 pm Subject: RE: More Inanity re Steve's 40th: Cthulhu/Lovecraft Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > Don't tell Mr. Filipak about it. I wanted to call a tape of TD's >May 1986 Providence, Rhode Island (home of H.P. Lovecraft, who wrote >'The Call of Cthulhu' in the first place) 'Necronomicon,' but he didn't Cool! To relate this back to TD (remember them?) I often use TD as musical accompaniment when reading Lovecraft's stories or when playing the game. I think 'Remote Viewing' is one of the best tracks for this purpose. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 28, 1997 2:35 pm Subject: My TD book is now available Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' After nine months of work, it's done. What does it feature? 80+ pages containing every concert they've ever played, information on every album, soundtrack and single they've ever released (or as close as I could come), every member of the band, and important dates and facts about the band. There's a lot more than you might think. It's written in a chronology format, so information about a particular era is easy to find. I plan on issuing yearly updates (maybe!) to update and add to the information. It's bound in a plastic presentation binding to keep the cost down and to allow purchasers of updates to insert them easily. All this for only $15. If you want more information or want to buy a copy, please DO NOT contact me at this address. This is my work e-mail, and I don't want to do business through my work account. I do have some morals. You may contact me through: dy709@c... Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 28, 1997 4:10 pm Subject: stereo stuff for sale Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Hi dreamers I'm moving and have some old stereo stuff for sale; let me know off-list if anyone is interested in it. Shipping is extra and all units will ship in their original boxes with original packing materials. If you want more info, I'll dig it up or provide it off-list. Lars ---> 2 David Hafler 220A Amplifier 110watts/channel If the pair is used so that each runs a channel in mono, then it is something like 500 or 600 watts per channel $75 each / $130 for both (these are great amps and I really hate to part with these puppies and would really like to sell them as a pair). ---> Hafler 110A pre-amp $40 (basic pre-amp, no bells or whistles) ---> DBS 224 tape noise reduction decoder - encoder $50 ---> DBS 4BX Dynamic Range Expander with Impact Restoration and remote $40 OBO ---> Yamaha T-1060 AM/FM digital tuner $40 (32 presets) ---> Yamaha audio timer $20 ---> Carver Sonic Hologram unit $75 Also, for you repair-it-yourself buffs & wizards, these items are FREE (because they are not functioning) -- you only have to pay the shipping: ---> JVC HRD225U 4-head stereo (record and play) VHS VCR w/remote ---> Harmon Kardon CD 191 cassette tape deck; probably needs a new motor ---> Sanyo RD7 cassette deck (as above) ---> Yamaha CD player (a great plaer with lots of bells and whistles and a remote but it needs a new laser unit). this is a really great unit but I can't afford to get it repaired, maybe someone else can. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 28, 1997 7:20 pm Subject: RE: This is Space (Box Set) Really-From: MCINTYRE@p... >Really-From: Vic Rek >I came across another new 1997 box set released on the US Cleopatra label >that has TD and Klaus Schulze on it. >It is titled 'This is Space' at a 'Killer Price!' and contains 4 CDs. >CD 1 and 2 is a re-package of the Various Artists (VA) compilation 'Space >Daze' >CD 3 is the same as the VA compilation 'Space Daze 2000' >CD 4 is called a bonus CD and features an ambient CD by 'Dead Voices on Air' >- New World Machine. I haven't listened to this yet. I will part with this >new box set for $25 (post included in the US) to the first person who wants it. Note that three of the discs are simple reproductions of previous compilations, complete with the original artwork. The fourth disc is randomly selected from the Cleopatra/Hypnotic catalog. The box I purchased had a disc by Dark Matter and others have reported getting a disc by The Brain and other bands I can't remember at the moment. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 28, 1997 9:35 pm Subject: Re: CONAN, THIEF, NEAR DARK . . . Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-07-28 09:46:13 EDT, you write: << I always wanted to ask how it can be that Edgar claimed that he turned down doing the soundtrack to CONAN THE BARBARIAN because he disapproved of the film/story's content, and then he goes and scores other horrific stuff like THE KEEP, FIRESTARTER, NEAR DARK, and RED NIGHTS (a chicks-in-prison flick, basically). Also, THIEF is about a convicted theif who kills his enemies and walks away, and RED MIGHTS is about an out-of-work actor who winds up in porno movies, so what's the story? Also, SPASMS doesn't sound like too wholesome a venture for someone who turned down CONAN, either. ;) >> Yes, and how can he justify this excuse when you consider the decidedly dark and evil nature of 'EXIT', especially 'Choronzon'!! Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 28, 1997 9:37 pm Subject: Re: More Inanity re Steve's 40th: Cthulhu/Lovecraft Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-07-28 10:07:37 EDT, you write: << Cool! To relate this back to TD (remember them?) I often use TD as musical accompaniment when reading Lovecraft's stories or when playing the game. I think 'Remote Viewing' is one of the best tracks for this purpose. >> I have been researching the song titles of 'Exit' after the many interesting posts about them. Quite by accident, I was watching a show on the Discovery channel or the Learning channel (not sure) called Science Fiction/Science Fact and one segment mentioned that 'Remote Viewing' is a term in metaphysics that refers to psychic or telepathic contact over great distances with people who may or may not be aware of your mental presence...or 'viewing'! Weird, eh? Does anyone know where this term originated? I haven't been able to locate any concrete source material on this yet. Was it Lovecraft? I have done a lot of research into 'Kiew Mission' , though, and am near to drawing a final conclusion and, or theory about this one. I'll just say that it also involves 'great evil', for now. But I'm interested in more stories from Vic Rek about his trip to Kiev! Post some more Vic - or E-Mail me privately!! Thanks! Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 28, 1997 9:35 pm Subject: Re: More Inanity re Steve's 40th: Cthulhu/Lovecraft Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-07-28 09:38:58 EDT, you write: << >> 'The Keeper' is also what the Game Master is called in the Call of >> Cthulhu role-playing game. It's short for 'Keeper of Arcane Lore.' >> Don't tell Mr. Filipak about it. I wanted to call a tape of TD's May 1986 Providence, Rhode Island (home of H.P. Lovecraft, who wrote 'The Call of Cthulhu' in the first place) 'Necronomicon,' but he didn't want any negative connotations associated with the band. I see his point, and--if pressed--agree, but since I'm from Providence (before coming to live in Brookline, near Boston, Massachusetts) and grew up on stuff like Jules Verne, C.S. Lewis, Tolkien, Ray Bradbury, Robert E. Howard (creator of CONAN THE BARBARIAN and KING KULL) . . . and H. P. Lovecraft, I thought calling a TD boot 'Necronomicon' was only too natural.> > Why am I am going on about this? This morning, on Showtime, they were showing the Vincent Price movie, THE HAUNTED PALACE, which was based on a Lovecraft story. Small world, ain't it? ;) >> I have only one word: Synchronicity! Graf Zeigen P.S. (sorry) would MFox please E-Mail me off-list? I received the video and wish to discuss it with you. I have lost your E-Address (and a lot of other things due to a nasty electrical storm last week!) Thanks! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 28, 1997 11:10 pm Subject: Another Auction?! Really-From: rch@g... Hi All! I have the following CDs available: - In den garten pharaos - Sol et Luna - Coefficient of Aural expansion - Dreaming on Danforth Avenue - 70 / 90 - Prayer of Quiet Dreams - Spherical Harmonics 1 - Dead Solid Perfect only one copy of each. All are NEW/UNP. Auction closes on August 15th, at 12.00 PM GMT. Please do not send offers to the list, e-mail me privately. Dream On! Riccardo rch@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6179 European Tour Single Available Sean Montgomery Tue 7/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 28, 1997 11:14 pm Subject: European Tour Single Available Really-From: Sean Montgomery RPM Records now has copies of the Das Madechen on The Stairs 3-track CD single available, for $10.99 U.S. Check it out: http://www.rpmrecords.com/arrivals.html Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 29, 1997 1:25 am Subject: Re: More Inanity re Steve's 40th: Cthulhu/Lovecraft Really-From: Vic Rek At 05:37 PM 7/28/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... > >I have done a lot of research into 'Kiew Mission' , though, and am near to >drawing a final conclusion and, or theory about this one. I'll just say that >it also involves 'great evil', for now. But I'm interested in more stories >from Vic Rek about his trip to Kiev! >Post some more Vic - or E-Mail me privately!! Thanks! >Graf > > Sure, I'll e-mail you off this list, but please post your entire research of the 'EXIT' titles when complete. Sounds very interesting. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 29, 1997 3:24 am Subject: Re: LUCK Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-07-28 00:14:21 EDT, you write: << Anyway, it turned out that one of the Dreamers - namely GG - lives in the same country (Hungary), in the same village (Kerepes) like me (ca.1000m away) ... LUCK????!!!!!????? >> In my book a miss is as good as a kilometer. Real luck would have been, if he had really been your long lost twin brother, who had actually been your roommate for several years. ;-) Phil Naunton Tangerine Jam From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 29, 1997 3:38 am Subject: Re: More Inanity re Steve's 40th: Cthulhu/Lovecraft Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... > >I have been researching the song titles of 'Exit' after the many interesting >posts about them. Quite by accident, I was watching a show on the Discovery >channel or the Learning channel (not sure) called Science Fiction/Science >Fact and one segment mentioned that 'Remote Viewing' is a term in metaphysics >that refers to psychic or telepathic contact over great distances with people >who may or may not be aware of your mental presence...or 'viewing'! Remote viewing is a common term for 'clairvoyance', the ability to 'see' another place, even if it is thousands of miles away. It is rarely in the control of the viewer. For example, a few people claim to have had vision of a relative (usually a parent) dying in a car accident--as it's happening. It usually comes in the form of a trance-like vision. I'm under the assumption that most if not all Greek/Roman Gods and Demi-gods had clairvoyance, as well as clairaudience (remote hearing). I do not personally know anyone who is able to consciously control clairvoyance, but I'm sure there are people who can. I'm an X-FIles fan, so maybe I'm a little deep into this stuff. It's just one of the many psychic and paranormal phenomena that most people don't believe in, some are fanatical about, and I just sit on the fence waiting until perhaps I have a personal experience... Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 29, 1997 5:32 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #989 Really-From: Sturminatr@a... In a message dated 97-07-26 14:45:21 EDT, you write: > Really-From: Vic Rek >I decided to give it a spin today and here is my short summary: >McBain Soundtrack >track > 1 - Long vocal tracks - I recognize this voice but can't name it. If memory serves (and I'm too fargin' lazy to find the tape and listen to this tune at this late hour to confirm), this is none other than Jocelyn Smith of Tyger fame. And I also believe that the vocal ballad (#15) is a cover of Dire Straits' 'Brother in Arms.' The best thing I can say about it is...well, it's in tune. That's about it. -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 29, 1997 10:18 am Subject: Buys and Questions Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Hi guys, I'm back from my holiday. Miss me? Over the two weeks i bought five new CDs which may be of interest here : Silence 2 by Namlook and Dr. Atmo Hinterland by Strange Cargo (William Orbit) Early Water by Hoenig and Gottsching Klopzeichen by Kluster Departure from the Northern Wasteland by Michael Hoenig Is DftNW quite rare to find on CD? I was very surprised to see it and, of course, snapped it up. I also spotted the Cosmic Jokers, but by that time things were getting out of hand and I thought I'd better draw the line somewhere. I can give reviews or information on these if anyone is interested. Now, some questions (all TD-related in some way) which I hope you'll be able to answer to help me out with my pet project : 1. Who were members of Agitation Free, and during which period (e.g. Chris Franke from 1968 to 1971?, Michael Hoenig from 1971 to ?)? 2. I'm looking for the same sort of info for Ash Ra Tempel. Schultze started them (I believe), but the liner notes of the Castle Alpha Centauri indicates that Schroyder joined him. Is this true? Who else and when? 3. How about some of the same sort of information for Popol Vuh (who I know the least about)? Thanks for any help you can offer. NP - Early Water ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6191 Re: Buys and Questions Balazs Molnar Wed 7/30/1997 3 KB 6202 Re: Buys and Questions Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Wed 7/30/1997 3 KB 6215 Re: Buys and Questions Antonio Nunes Thu 7/31/1997 2 KB 6218 Re: Buys and Questions Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 7/31/1997 3 KB 6220 Re: Buys and Questions Plumer, Scott Thu 7/31/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 29, 1997 10:30 am Subject: Address change Really-From: Grant Middleton Sorry to take up bandwidth with this, but most of my Internet friends are on Tadream. My new e-mail address is grant.middleton@g... Thanks Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6197 Re: Address change Michael Fox Wed 7/30/1997 2 KB 6200 Tangerine Megamix (Was Re: Address change) Grant Middleton Wed 7/30/1997 4 KB 18715 Address change kayleigh Sat 10/30/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jul 28, 1997 9:42 pm Subject: fantape Alive Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' Hello, dreamers: I have a friend that he has a fantape named «Alive». It's a tape of 50 minutes from 1980. The first 15 minutes are similar to the «Tangram Set-1», but the rest is improvised music. Does somebody know it? Regards and DREAM ON! José Ramón From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 29, 1997 5:23 pm Subject: Conan Really-From: VictorDiab@a... I, actually, think I prefer the soundtrack in its present form ... Poledouris (sp?) created an entire story simply with the music. It's a music-driven movie (and one that has more content than most people would think ... check out the father-figure references presented between Conan and Thulsa Doom) and I think the soundtrack is quintessential for the film. Just my 2 cents .... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6725 Re: Conan MALLRATTE@a... Wed 8/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Remote Viewing: Ingo Swann, Ed Dames, Courtney Brown Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: More Inanity re Steve's 40th: Cthulhu/Lovecraft >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 22:38:55 -0500 (CDT) >Really-From: feldon@p... > >>Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... >> >>I have been researching the song titles of 'Exit' after the many >>interesting posts about them. Quite by accident, I was watching a show >>on the Discovery channel or the Learning channel (not sure) called >>Science Fiction/Science Fact and one segment mentioned that 'Remote >>Viewing' is a term in metaphysics that refers to psychic or telepathic >>contact over great distances with people who may or may not be aware of >>your mental presence...or 'viewing'! > >Remote viewing is a common term for 'clairvoyance', the ability to 'see' >another place, even if it is thousands of miles away. It is rarely in >the control of the viewer. [. . .] Well, maybe not the viewer, but his monitor? That's another story. According to Courtney Brown and Ed Dames, they do it all the time. Courtney Brown, founder of the Institute for Scientific Remote Viewing (SRV for short), teaches how to do it for about $2000 a course. His outfit is a combination of Ed Dames' brand of Remote Viewing (as originally carried out by the US Army), sound frequency-induced trance states learned from the Monroe Institute (begun by founder Robert Monroe, author of JOURNEYS OUT OF THE BODY), and meditation techniques learned from the Gurjieff Foundation. Ed Dames, previously a remote viewing monitor and instructor for the US Army, invented a brand of Remote Viewing which he taught to Courtney Brown, and then used to open his own outfit, Psi Tech. >I do not personally know anyone who is able to consciously control >clairvoyance, but I'm sure there are people who can. I'm an X-FIles fan, >so maybe I'm a little deep into this stuff. It's just one of the many >psychic and paranormal phenomena that most people don't believe in, >some are fanatical about [. . .] Not true. If remote viewing is so flakey, why is it that the US military is on record as having funded research on it for 20 (!) years? Apparently, it evolved from experiments with a powerful natural psychic named Ingo Swann who pioneered techniques to apply scientific control to clairvoyance. This went on for twenty years, which would make it rather interesting that Tangerine Dream would have a song about it as far back as 1981, which would be the fourth year that it existed. For those wet rags (i.e. Doubting Thomas, Anti-New Age types) among you, do a database search in scientific journals on the subject of remote viewing and you'll find articles from the mid-1990's talking about the government's decision to pull funding on the project after twenty years. In other words, it's been documented in above-board scientific journals as having been funded by Uncle Sam, so there's no pissing and moaning about how it's just a paranoid fantasy. The US government might hedge about Roswell and Area 51, but on the subject of remote viewing, they at least admit that what it concerned controlled, controlled, on-demand clairvoyance--if not actual psychic spying on other countries (like Russia, duh). I first heard of this in a book called OUT THERE, an expose on the government's secret ad hoc groups on studying UFO evidence (yes, evidence that *they* have, not the non-evidence that they make sure everyone else has). This book claimed that remote viewing quickly was applied to UFO study after remote viewers instructed to locate Soviet nuclear subs near our coasts embarrasingly told their monitors that they 'saw' metal disks hovering over subs on several occassions. There're several books out on this right now, the most infamous being Courtney Brown's COSMIC VOYAGE, which lead to Brown having enough of an audience to convince people that there was an artificial object trailing the Hale-Bopp comet--and hence the Heaven's Gate tragedy. I read this one. It's riveting and outrageous, but true? Doubtful. (Examples of what Brown claims to have done in his book is to--get this-- remote-view the spirit plane where the departed souls of alien 'greys' reside, and enter the mind of the disembodied leader of a malignant faction of discarnate greys bent on giving the rest of the greys a hard time--to have talked with Jesus on at least two occasions--to have witnessed the event that wiped out most of Mars' civilization (!)--to have seen the greys from three separate time-frames and discovered that they since they all time-travel, there are greys co-existing that are in three different evolutionary stages of development, and they all stay clear of one another--enough? I thought so. Titter.) Another high-profile book is PSYCHIC WARRIOR, told from the first person by an ex-spy. There's websites and such on this stuff, but I'll just give the particulars on the two books mentioned above since they're readily available in most bookstores. Brown, Courtney. COSMIC VOYAGE: A SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY OF EXTRA- TERRESTRIALS VISITING EARTH. New York: Dutton, 1996. Morehouse, David. PSYCHIC WARRIOR: INSIDE THE CIA'S STARGATE PROGRAM: THE TRUE STORY OF A SOLDIER'S ESPIONAGE AND AWAKENING. New York: St. Martin's Press, 1996. 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(tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 30, 1997 3:12 am Subject: Re: D: ><><>> New Music For Films - Vol. 1 <<><>< Really-From: Gaza Grand Master of Gazitsu tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > Is there a Vol. 2? > > Chris Franke > New Music For Films Vol. 1 > Published 1993 > Purchased 1996 > Format -- CD > Sonic Images > SI-8509-2 > I think New Music for Films is far better than Universal Soldier. I though Universal Soldier would have sounded bettter electronic where as NMFF Vol 1 really was written for the Orchestra. IMHO I think it demonstrates another side to C.Franke ability to Compose music. My main criticism is the fact that most the tracks are painfully short and some beautiful themes are over before you have really had a chance to take them in. A personal favourite is trk 14 'Romance becomes pain'. A very haunting piece. well there you go, I aint written for a while Gaza From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 29, 1997 8:05 pm Subject: Re: Remote Viewing: Ingo Swann, Ed Dames, Courtney Brown Really-From: Ken Alexander > Not true. If remote viewing is so flakey, why is it that the US > military is on record as having funded research on it for 20 (!) years? Ummm... because there might, gasp, be a few morons in the government? Fortunately this horrendous waste of money has finally been stopped, since remote viewing has never, ever, not once, been proven in a scientifically valid repeatable experiment. If you think you know someone with some sort of psychic power, I suggest that you: 1. Have them go win an easy million dollars by proving it: http://www.randi.org/jr/chall.html 2. Have them remote view THIS and tell me how many fingers I'm holding up. 3. Take this topic to a mailing list where it might be topical, beyond a brief mention in a song title. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Buys and Questions Really-From: Balazs Molnar >Now, some questions (all TD-related in some way) which I hope >you'll be able to answer to help me out with my pet project : >1. Who were members of Agitation Free, and during which period >(e.g. Chris Franke from 1968 to 1971?, Michael Hoenig from 1971 >to ?)? > >2. I'm looking for the same sort of info for Ash Ra Tempel. Schultze >started them (I believe), but the liner notes of the Castle Alpha >Centauri indicates that Schroyder joined him. Is this true? Who else >and when? > >3. How about some of the same sort of information for Popol Vuh >(who I know the least about)? > >Thanks for any help you can offer. To get info about these bands visit All Music Guide homepage (albums, line-ups, even track listings): http://205.186.189.2/root/amg/music_root.html Good Luck! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6202 Re: Buys and Questions Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Wed 7/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 29, 1997 8:55 pm Subject: Re:'EXIT' research Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-07-28 21:49:01 EDT, you write: << Sure, I'll e-mail you off this list, but please post your entire research of the 'EXIT' titles when complete. Sounds very interesting. >> I will certainly do that! That is my intent (besides my own intellectual excercise). I feel like I should do something worthwhile for the list instead of just getting everyone's 'knickers twisted into a knot' all the time. :-D I will attempt to incorporate everyone's responses and posts if helpful in this report! Thanks! Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 29, 1997 8:53 pm Subject: Re: Remote Viewing Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-07-29 15:00:08 EDT, you write: << (Examples of what Brown claims to have done in his book is to--get this-- remote-view the spirit plane where the departed souls of alien 'greys' reside, and enter the mind of the disembodied leader of a malignant faction of discarnate greys bent on giving the rest of the greys a hard time--to have talked with Jesus on at least two occasions--to have witnessed the event that wiped out most of Mars' civilization (!)--to have seen the greys from three separate time-frames and discovered that they since they all time-travel, there are greys co-existing that are in three different evolutionary stages of development, and they all stay clear of one another--enough? I thought so. Titter.) Another high-profile book is PSYCHIC WARRIOR, told from the first person by an ex-spy. There's websites and such on this stuff, but I'll just give the particulars on the two books mentioned above since they're readily available in most bookstores. Brown, Courtney. COSMIC VOYAGE: A SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY OF EXTRA- TERRESTRIALS VISITING EARTH. New York: Dutton, 1996. Morehouse, David. PSYCHIC WARRIOR: INSIDE THE CIA'S STARGATE PROGRAM: THE TRUE STORY OF A SOLDIER'S ESPIONAGE AND AWAKENING. New York: St. Martin's Press, 1996. >> Holy 'grey' matter, Batman!! :-) That certainly gives me a starting point for researching this one. Thanks for the very, very interesting info! Much appreciated. I'm not sure how much I believe in this 'remote viewing' stuff, but I'll certainly read more about it. How much of our tax money did Uncle Sam spend on this!?!? 8-(( Now, does anyone have a clue what 'Network 23' is about? Cheers, Graf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6236 Re: Remote Viewing Greg Heil Sat 8/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re Remote Viewing & Skepticism (no TD content) Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Remote Viewing: Ingo Swann, Ed Dames, Courtney Brown >Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:05:50 -0400 (EDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Ken Alexander > >> Not true. If remote viewing is so flakey, why is it that the US >>military is on record as having funded research on it for 20 (!) years? > >[...] remote viewing has never, ever, not once, been proven in a >scientifically valid repeatable experiment. [...] Just because something doesn't work all the time--say, only one out of seven times--doesn't mean that those one-out-of-seven occurences are totally invalidated. It sounds like a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, to me. No one's proven that prayer doesn't get results, no one's proven that the 'Alien Autopsy' was a hoax, no one's proven certain ideas in quantum physics are true. Does that mean such things shouldn't be explored? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Einstein on Lack of Evidence Really-From: Steven Feldman Here is a sig I don't use too often, but I feel it might have some relevance re this Remote Viewing bruhaha: -- Steven Feldman and + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 29, 1997 9:30 pm Subject: RE: Remote Viewing: Ingo Swann, Ed Dames, Courtney Brown Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: Ken Alexander > 2. Have them remote view THIS and tell me how many fingers I'm holding up. Ouch! Ouch! Even I felt the heat from that one! I always thought remote viewing simply meant that you were watching something on TV from somewhere other than the event that took place (survelliance cameras, spy sattelites and the like). - jimbo 'This is the preachiest book I've ever read! Everyone's a sinner... Except for this one guy...' Homer Simpson on the Bible James F. Moore -- jimbo@v... -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA Jimbo's Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 29, 1997 5:33 pm Subject: Re: Address change Really-From: Michael Fox OK, Middleton. Where the hell have YOU been? Hmmm? Huuhhh? Just where, Little Mister? Cheers, Mike np: FSP--Marcel Engels (a delight, all) At 10:30 AM 7/29/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: Grant Middleton > > >Sorry to take up bandwidth with this, but most of my Internet >friends are on Tadream. My new e-mail address is > > grant.middleton@g... > >Thanks > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6200 Tangerine Megamix (Was Re: Address change) Grant Middleton Wed 7/30/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 29, 1997 5:52 pm Subject: Re:Even Still More Inanity re Steve's 40th: Cthulhu/Lovecraft Really-From: Michael Fox Ooooohh--now I'm all creamy wet down there! Lovecraft is my favorite! Makes for some less-than successful movies, but, hey, those stories! Steven, you lucky s&*t, you get to run your fingers through those pieces. Jealous, jealous, jealous. Well, having lept the 4-0 wall a few years ago, I can say, without fear, that the years just become a murky haze; your memory a cloud; your --ah--well, you'll find out. Soon, you'll find yourself on a park bench, feeding old Quaaludes to the pidgeons so you'll have friends. Ahhh--here's to LIFE!! A toast to you on your 40th, then! \_/\_/\_/ Happy Birthday, man. Have fun! Hey, is the John Hay library open to the public? My cousin lives in Providence and I owe him a visit. CHeers! Mike At 09:19 AM 7/28/97 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >>Subject: RE: Steve's 40th >>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >>Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:05:25 -0400 >>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> >>> 'The Keeper' is also what the Game Master is called in the Call of >>> Cthulhu role-playing game. It's short for 'Keeper of Arcane Lore.' > > Don't tell Mr. Filipak about it. I wanted to call a tape of TD's >May 1986 Providence, Rhode Island (home of H.P. Lovecraft, who wrote >'The Call of Cthulhu' in the first place) 'Necronomicon,' but he didn't >want any negative connotations associated with the band. I see his >point, and--if pressed--agree, but since I'm from Providence (before >coming to live in Brookline, near Boston, Massachusetts) and grew up >on stuff like Jules Verne, C.S. Lewis, Tolkien, Ray Bradbury, Robert E. >Howard (creator of CONAN THE BARBARIAN and KING KULL) . . . and H. P. >Lovecraft, I thought calling a TD boot 'Necronomicon' was only too >natural. For one of my final English papers when I was an undergrad, >I wrote a great (if I do say so myself) Lovecraft pasiche/homage/ >ripoff called 'That Which Follows,' which was made up almost entirely >of real people--who were Lovecraft scholars (!) and in charge of the >Lovecraft Collection at Brown University's John Hay Library (the most >extensive Lovecraft holdings in the world)--and took place on actual >locations in and around the John Hay. > Why am I am going on about this? This morning, on Showtime, they >were showing the Vincent Price movie, THE HAUNTED PALACE, which was >based on a Lovecraft story. Small world, ain't it? ;) > > -- Steven Feldman and > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jul 29, 1997 11:59 pm Subject: A source for Digital Gothic Really-From: Dave Brewer I just thought I'd pass along some info, in case anyone was interested. I've found a U.S. source for the Digital Gothic yadayada... book on TD. It's called World Party Music. They have it listed for $16.74 plus shipping. (is that a good price?) They've also got a number of TD titles available, but nothing too out-of-the-ordinary. I haven't ordered from this company (yet), so I can't vouch for their service. Their website is at www.iliad.com/wpmusic, and their email is wpmusic@w... Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 30, 1997 9:20 am Subject: Tangerine Megamix (Was Re: Address change) Really-From: Grant Middleton > OK, Middleton. Where the hell have YOU been? Hmmm? Huuhhh? Just where, > Little Mister? For over 4 weeks, I was 'a man of no account'. A scary, uncertain situation for any self-respecting software engineer to find himself in. I actually had to /talk/ to my colleagues at work. Yikes ! But now I've got e-mail (hopefully this address will be valid for a few years !) and Netscape Navigator. Yahoo ! (no pun intended) > np: FSP--Marcel Engels (a delight, all) Yeah, FSP is right back there in the analogue age. Good work, Marcel. NP - Tangerine Puree No, calm down. You won't have heard about it - it's my own megamix. Imagine, if you will :- Rubycon pt 1 - Start right through to just before the seq comes in. Mellotron male choir. Phaedra - Light female voices and gong right through to closing Mellotron chord. Birth of Liquid Plejades - Opening note through to about 2 minutes into track Rubycon pt 2 - From start through to '2001' choir. Rubycon pt 2 - From waves crashing through to final flute note. Repeat last 40 secs of Rubycon pt 2, 3 times, fading over time. On very last flute note, bring up reverb to max so that flute disappears away into the distance. Aaaaaahhhhhh. Heaven. I created the mix on a Pro-Tools III system and the crossover mixing is ultra-smooth. Sometimes, I prefer to listen to this rather than the original tracks, as it's all fairly abstract and non-rhythmical. Has anyone else made their own 'Party Megamix' of TD ? I mean a single track, mixed DJ-style, rather than a 'greatest bits' tape that you'd make for the car, say. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 30, 1997 8:55 am Subject: Re: Remote Viewing: Ingo Swann, Ed Dames, Courtney Brown Really-From: Jens Kilian > Really-From: Steven Feldman [...] > For those wet rags (i.e. Doubting Thomas, Anti-New Age types) > among you, do a database search in scientific journals on the subject Since TD's music is often filed under 'New Age', I don't object too strongly to the occasional New-Age rant on this mailing list. Live and let live. However, I can't let that 'wet rag' stuff stand without comment. The accepted term is 'skeptic'. Name calling is NOT the right way to support one's arguments. Greetings, Jens. BTW: What 'scientific' journals would you suggest for that search? -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-14-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-14-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 30, 1997 10:17 am Subject: Re: Buys and Questions Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: Balazs Molnar > >To get info about these bands visit All Music Guide homepage >(albums, line-ups, even track listings): > >http://205.186.189.2/root/amg/music_root.html > >Good Luck! Thanks for the tip, Balazs. This is an excellent site (even if they are wrong is some places - Chris Franke plays synths on Electronic Meditation, apparently). It'll certainly give me plenty of information to sift through. Thanks again, NP - Silence 2 : Namlook and Dr. Atmo ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 30, 1997 9:35 am Subject: HELP !! - 'Tangerine Dream 1970-1980' Really-From: Mark Filipak Please. Only folks who have 'Tangerine Dream 1970-1980' LPx4 respond. Is it 'Baryll Blue,' 'Barryl Blue,' or 'Beryl Blue?' Klaus and Marcel have consistently written 'Baryll Blue' as have the makers of several b**ts ... hmmm... Dave Datta has 'Barryl Blue' in his discography. The color is listed in 'Roget's International Thesaurus' as 'beryl blue.' There have also been some truely 'inspired' spellings, but I'm discounting those. Please help. Look on '70-80' and report, on-list or privately. I will trust only a truely 'Virgin' source . Thanks -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6207 Re: HELP !! - 'Tangerine Dream 1970-1980' Marcel Engels Wed 7/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 30, 1997 9:53 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Megamix (Was Re: Address change) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Grant Middleton > ... > NP - Tangerine Puree > > No, calm down. You won't have heard about it - it's my > own megamix. Imagine, if you will :-... > > ... Aaaaaahhhhhh. Heaven. Nice to have you back, Grant -- Mark (What ever happened to 'Grunt?' Did he fly away?) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 30, 1997 11:07 am Subject: Klaus Schulze's Timewind Really-From: Grant Middleton OK, OK, so he's only a very tenuous member of TD. I've just been reading about Timewind on the official Schulze Web page (http://www.klaus-schulze.com). It says that 'Bayreuth Return' was performed in one take straight onto a 2-track tape machine. If this is true, then I stand in total awe of the man. However, Klaus D Meuller is officially a total twat. If you don't believe me, just read the section 'Who is KDM ?' Grunt. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 30, 1997 10:22 am Subject: Pollstar - Concert and tour info, on-line. Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Gang. A friend turned me on to http://www.pollstar.com/ Killer concert resource lists by group, by city, by region. Great hot links too. This is truely what the net was created for. You MUST check this out!! Enjoy! -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 30, 1997 11:09 am Subject: Re: HELP !! - 'Tangerine Dream 1970-1980' Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Please. Only folks who have 'Tangerine Dream 1970-1980' LPx4 respond. > > Is it 'Baryll Blue,' 'Barryl Blue,' or 'Beryl Blue?' > > Klaus and Marcel have consistently written 'Baryll Blue' as have the > makers of several b**ts ... hmmm... I have before me the box and the booklet says: Baryll Blue (great to watch those old pics again) NP: Bo Hansson - Lord of the Rings From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 30, 1997 2:50 pm Subject: Dream dream Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Another night and another TD-inspired dream. This one left me excited and invigorated this morning. Read on or delete : Myself and Lars Jones were in Berlin for some reason, working our way around record shops there looking for TD stuff. I knew where TD lived and worked - some small white house on this street - but felt that I should not approach them because they like their privacy. I lost Lars, but found my way to some record store where I came across some copies of Tangents - one was the original (released) version with the funny graphics on the front, but there were two new versions : one was the same shape of box, but with a picture of four people on the front, similar in style to that which appears on the front of the Disky Tangerine Dream album; the second one has the same cover but was in a larger, square box as though it contained LPs instead of CDs. Anyway, as I was getting exited about this, in came Lars. Then, I was back out on the street with some wierd thing in my hand - it looked like a plain piece of paper, but I knew that it somehow played music and I was very excited about it. As I walked (aimlessly) around the street, I spotted Jerome on the other side of the road. I waved to him, but he started to run away when he saw me. I shouted after him that I didn't want to annoy him, just a quick questions and chat, and he came across and spoke to me (I don't know what about). His hair was a lot shorter than it is now, although still spiky and unkempt. He was wearing a sports jacket, and I could see the tail of his shirt hanging out from underneath it. Jerome took me back to the small white house. The front wall was all smoked glass, and inside I could see Edgar sitting at a glass table on a low chair (the chair reminds me of one that an old neighbour used to have about twenty years ago - brown suede-type material with chrome tubular strucks supporting it). He was interested in something in front of him (writing with a pen on a bit of paper). Jerome took me inside and introduced me to Edgar and gave me something to drink. They both introduced me to someone called Gillian (who looked like her that's on Emmerdale, who just tried to neglect a baby on last night's episode), and I seemed to think that she must be a replacement for either Monica or Anja, but couldn't work out which. I remember 'thinking' about poor old Lars, presumably still stuck in that record store, but a mean part of me seemed glad that only I was there. Okay, so what do our amateur dream-readers make of that? No, I don't fancy Lars, Edgar, Jerome, or her out of Emmerdale. My best friend's wife and my wife's best friend are both called Gillian (is that a coincidence or what?), I watched Emmerdale last night and I need a haircut. Does that explain everything? Interesting (for me) nuances about the dream - I don't remember any conversations, just situations and sights. And I don't remember any colours, either, which is pretty unusual for my dreams. The covers of the 'new Tangents' were definitely black-and-white, but I couldn't tell you the colour of anything else (yeah, okay, maybe some brown and white too, but no vivid splashes of colour like I normally get). Still reading? You must be at work, like me! ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6209 Re: Dream dream Grant Middleton Wed 7/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 30, 1997 3:44 pm Subject: Re: Dream dream Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > > Another night and another TD-inspired dream. Uh-oh. Time to look out your bomber jacket and your Judas Priest collection, I think. > one has the same cover but was in a larger, square box as though it contained > LPs instead of CDs. Now, did you see the discussion of TD 70-80 before last night, or is that a spooky coincidence ? TD 70-80 was a big black LP-sized box. > it. As I walked (aimlessly) around the street, I spotted Jerome on the other > side of the road. > > I waved to him, but he started to run away when he saw me. I think I'd be more inclined to run away from Jerome if I saw him coming down the street (never mind a dark alley !). > Jerome took me inside and introduced me to Edgar and gave me something to > drink. They both introduced me to someone called Gillian (who looked like her > that's on Emmerdale, who just tried to neglect a baby on last night's > episode), Hmmmm. I take it that you don't know what Monica actually looks like, so I'm guessing that you think she neglected her child (Jerome, duh) over the years. > I watched Emmerdale last night and I need a haircut. Does that explain > everything? That speaks volumes, Craig. I don't think you need to say any more. There really is no hope for you now. > Still reading? You must be at work, like me! Yup ! The same work, too. This has been a day of spooky coincidences. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 30, 1997 5:06 pm Subject: Re: Remote Viewing: Ingo Swann, Ed Dames, Courtney Brown Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Ken Alexander > > If you think you know > someone with some sort of psychic power, I suggest that you: > > > 2. Have them remote view THIS and tell me how many fingers I'm holding up. > just one: The center bigger finger with the rest clung ! , you know, I'm one of them !] ;-))) --Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 30, 1997 5:55 pm Subject: Re: HELP !! - 'Tangerine Dream 1970-1980' -- Thanks Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > ... > > Is it 'Baryll Blue,' 'Barryl Blue,' or 'Beryl Blue?' > > > > Klaus and Marcel have consistently written 'Baryll Blue' as have the > > makers of several b**ts ... hmmm... > > I have before me the box and the booklet says: > Baryll Blue (great to watch those old pics again) Looks like some folks got it right and some folks got it wrong. Now I've got it right. Thanks Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 30, 1997 7:00 pm Subject: ASH RA TEMPEL origins.../Krautrock Really-From: 'thai was' Dreamers Balazs Molnar wrote: >2. I'm looking for the same sort of info for Ash Ra Tempel. Schultze >started them (I believe), but the liner notes of the Castle Alpha >Centauri indicates that Schroyder joined him. Is this true? Who else >and when? > >3. How about some of the same sort of information for Popol Vuh >(who I know the least about)? > >Thanks for any help you can offer. Many questions may be answered by buying Julian Cope's book (yes THAT Julian Cope) 'Krautrocksampler'--it has much info on the origins of Krautrock and a Chapter on Edgar/Tangerine Dream--re the first four albums. Includes stuff on ASH RA TEMPEL, NEU, Popol Vuh, Organisation, Kraftwerk and others. I just found the book yesterday and have a difficult time setting it down. Julian reviews 50 albums from his Krautrock collection. If you can't find the book email me privately. --teiwaz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6214 Re: ASH RA TEMPEL origins.../Krautrock Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 7/31/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jul 30, 1997 2:22 pm Subject: online sources Really-From: Michael Fox Hi all! I recently found 2 state-side online record/cd sources that have a goodly amount of TD. They are: www.compactdiscovery.com www2.vinylvendors.com/VinylVendors/ Vinyl has mucho stuff (at sometimes mucho $$) but lots of soundtracks, Das in 7' and 12', and solo stuff. Regards, Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 31, 1997 8:50 am Subject: Re: ASH RA TEMPEL origins.../Krautrock Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: 'thai was' > >Dreamers > >Balazs Molnar wrote: > Actually, it was me that asked the question - Balazs provide a reference. [My request for Ash Ra Temple and Popol Vuh stuff] >Many questions may be answered by buying Julian Cope's book (yes THAT >Julian Cope) 'Krautrocksampler'--it has much info on the origins of >Krautrock and a Chapter on Edgar/Tangerine Dream--re the first four >albums. Includes stuff on ASH RA TEMPEL, NEU, Popol Vuh, Organisation, >Kraftwerk and others. I just found the book yesterday and have a >difficult time setting it down. Julian reviews 50 albums from his >Krautrock collection. If you can't find the book email me privately. I followed Grant's suggestion of yesterday and read the stuff on Klaus Schulze's official web-page about him 'manager' Klaus D. Mueller. Within the varius bits and pieces there, he absolutely tears Krautrocksampler apart. His main bone of contention appears to be that because Cope wasn't actually involved with the movement when it began, he doesn't really know anything about it (a pretty dodgy reson, if you ask me - we wouldn't have most of our history books if we all had this attitude). The extract from the book which appears in the Alpha Centauri certainly makes for entertaining reading, but is perhaps slightly misleading - Steve Schroyder did not 'join' Ash Ra Tempel after he left TD following A.C., he was a guest on Seven Up after he had been a guest on Zeit (according to the release dates of these albums and the info on the Ashra discog. That's me perhaps being too 'anal' again but that type of misinformation, which appears all over the place, is exactly what I'm trying to sort out. Another 'anal' example : read the liner notes of the Jive rereleases of Electronic Meditation et al - the ones with the same patterned cover in different colours (the TANG series). According to the notes in the middle pages, EF, KS and CS got together in November 1969. This is miraculous since it states on the first page of the booklet that the album was recorded in OCTOBER 1969! So, which is it? Anyway, enough rambling. Thanks for the pointer, Teiwaz, I will certainly keep an eye out for it because it looks like an interesting read. I'd suggest you take take kdm's advise (even if he is a berk) and take what Cope says with a pinch of salt. Later, ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 31, 1997 11:57 am Subject: Re: Buys and Questions Really-From: Antonio Nunes Craig Cordrey wrote: > Thanks for the tip, Balazs. This is an excellent site (even if they are wrong > is some places - Chris Franke plays synths on Electronic Meditation, > apparently). It'll certainly give me plenty of information to sift through. If they are wrong about that, then the Pacific Coast Highway booklet is wrong too. The booklet has a page with the title 'Christopher Franke with Tangerine Dream: Live + Studio LP's', and the Electronic Meditation cover is printed there in the first place. Does anyone know for sure if Chris Franke participated in Electronic Meditation? Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6218 Re: Buys and Questions Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 7/31/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 31, 1997 1:30 pm Subject: Tyranny of Beauty Really-From: John Wilson The Oxfam bookshop here in Oxford has a copy of a book in the window entitled `The Tyranny of Beauty' -- it has pictures of various famous (and beautiful!) women on the cover. Anyone know of a connexion?! John W. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6221 Re: Tyranny of Beauty Grant Middleton Fri 8/1/1997 4 KB 22577 Tyranny of Beauty Simon Slator Mon 5/22/2000 2 KB 22590 Re: Tyranny of Beauty =?iso-8859-1?q?Roger=20Hartop Tue 5/23/2000 2 KB 29434 Re: Tyranny of Beauty gmroger@p... Sun 10/7/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Why No Discussion of DIGITAL GOTHIC? Really-From: Steven Feldman Howdy, all. I was out sick yesterday, so that's why you didn't get any mail from yours truly. I talked to Lars last night, and he said that there's folk on this list who have bought copies of DIGITAL GOTHIC, which means, presumably, that they've read some of it. If such is so, why the big silence? Why is it that no one here who's bought it has so much as offered a one-word opinion, even ('sucks' comes to mind, for some reason, given the deafening silence)? I'm really curious what the book is like. Somehow, I'm assuming it's more like the booklets from TANGENTS and DREAM ROOTS than THE DREAM LIVES ON or VOICES IN THE DUNES. I guess I'm just real, real curious if there are pictures of Monique Froese and/or Dieter Lau (Chris Franke's wife, although I probably misspelled her name). -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6219 Re: Why No Discussion of DIGITAL GOTHIC? Dr. Alan Stocker Thu 7/31/1997 2 KB 6226 Re: Why No Discussion of DIGITAL GOTHIC? Paul Nagle Thu 7/31/1997 2 KB 6227 Re: Why No Discussion of DIGITAL GOTHIC? Andrew Rozsa Fri 8/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 31, 1997 2:33 pm Subject: Re: Buys and Questions Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: Antonio Nunes >If they are wrong about that, then the Pacific Coast Highway booklet is >wrong too. The booklet has a page with the title 'Christopher Franke >with Tangerine Dream: Live + Studio LP's', and the Electronic Meditation >cover is printed there in the first place. Does anyone know for sure if >Chris Franke participated in Electronic Meditation? > >Antonio Nunes Chris definitely did not play on EM. The TD biography on the website talks about Edgar meeting him after Klaus had left - remember Klaus was the original drummer, and Chris was brought in as his replacement. I found out, recently, that apparently the Froese, Franke, Schnitzler line-up played quite a few concerts together before Conrad left and Steve Schroyder joined. There were no releases with the Froese, Franke, Schnitzler line-up though (well, not official ones, anyway - don't know about fan-tapes, etc.) ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 31, 1997 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Why No Discussion of DIGITAL GOTHIC? Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > Howdy, all. I was out sick yesterday, so that's why you didn't get >any mail from yours truly. I talked to Lars last night, and he said >that there's folk on this list who have bought copies of DIGITAL GOTHIC, >which means, presumably, that they've read some of it. Mine is on order - as soon as it arrives I'll post a description, soon as I've read it I'll post a (short) critique. I would have picked it up today (in time to go on holiday) but the bookshop was closed for stocktaking - ho hum! Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 31, 1997 2:18 pm Subject: RE: Buys and Questions Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I found out, recently, that apparently the Froese, Franke, Schnitzler line-up >played quite a few concerts together before Conrad left and Steve Schroyder >joined. There were no releases with the Froese, Franke, Schnitzler line-up >though (well, not official ones, anyway - don't know about fan-tapes, etc.) If you had my book you'd have all of that information at your fingertips! (shameless plug) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 31, 1997 4:23 pm Subject: Re: Tyranny of Beauty Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: John Wilson > > The Oxfam bookshop here in Oxford has a copy of a book in the window > entitled `The Tyranny of Beauty' -- it has pictures of various famous (and > beautiful!) women on the cover. Anyone know of a connexion?! Did you find out what the publication date on the book was ? Before or after ToB the disc ? It's a spooky coincidence if there is truly no connection. From the Website :- Here a statement of the band to this question: It's a wonderful thing to look at a beautiful face, or to watch someone moving a very attractive body or to touch a very aesthetic piece of art - it reminds people of some immortal perfection which all of us would like to preserve for eternity. But the very well known fact is, that nothing in this strange world can be saved forever. We feel weak against this everlasting law. So what's the problem? What makes us feel so sad after realising that we can't stop things moving from perfection to dissolution ? The solution could be that we stop to lie about reality and face the things as they are - which simply means applauding beauty as one attractive part of life and respecting and honoring those things which are in the process of dissolving, knowing that they enjoyed good times, watching and living among them. That includes not only humans - it includes all parts of nature. A wise guy once said: »A lie would have no sense unless the truth were dangerous.« ...but quite what that has to do with the music on ToB, I don't know. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Does TYRANNY OF BEAUTY Qualify as E-music? Really-From: Steven Feldman I'm curious what people here would pick as TD's least E-music- oriented release. My guess would be TYRANNY OF BEAUTY. Second would be TURN OF THE TIDES, third would be ELECTRONIC MEDITATION, fourth would be 220 VOLT LIVE, fifth would be LILY ON THE BEACH, and sixth? Uh, I don't think there *is* a sixth. If there was, though, I'd say it's AGES. ;) Seriously, though: I'm wondering why I have so much trouble getting into TYRANNY OF BEAUTY. Besides it's being only the second time I've disliked the guitar-work on a TD album (the first being on ROCKOON), it really rubs me the wrong way and has only two tunes that I can say I like without reservation: 'Catscan' and 'Stratosfear 1996.' The TD I've been playing the most recently is the 1997 TOUR SINGLE, OPTICAL RACE, DESTINATION BERLIN, OASIS, and the fifth DREAM ROOTS disk. Now and then, I try playing TYRANNY OF BEAUTY to see if I like it any more at all, and I just don't. It took me almost three years to really get to like TURN OF THE TIDES, but I don't know. TYRANNY OF BEAUTY is frustrating: there are moments of brilliance, but most of the songs just don't come together . . . sort of like the way the last track on GOBLINS' CLUB is all over the place but nowhere at the same time. And speaking of GOBLINS' CLUB, I recall Mr. Filipak's designation of what he terms 'TD Lite,' and I'd vote for GOBLINS' CLUB as being just that. So, that's two TD albums on my shitlist these days. I'd like to like TYRANNY OF BEAUTY and GOBLINS' CLUB more, but it's sad indeed that I play DESTINATION BERLIN and OPTICAL RACE than either of those two! -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6223 Re: Does TYRANNY OF BEAUTY Qualify as E-music? Plumer, Scott Thu 7/31/1997 3 KB 6230 E-Music Roots? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 8/1/1997 3 KB 6231 Re: Does TYRANNY OF BEAUTY Qualify as E-music? Grant Middleton Fri 8/1/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 31, 1997 6:03 pm Subject: RE: Does TYRANNY OF BEAUTY Qualify as E-music? Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Now and then, I try playing TYRANNY OF BEAUTY to see if I like it any >more at all, and I just don't. It took me almost three years to really Funny you should say that, because I've just turned the other way. While sifting through the latter-day albums to figure out setlists for my book (plug, plug) I listened to ToB a lot, and found I like it more now than I did when I first heard it. The heavy dependence on guitar, IMHO, is a betrayal of their e-music roots, but still, I like it. And if you think that's weird, dig this: I like Cyclone now too! No, I haven't suffered brain damage. I've been listening to a lot of progressiverock recently, and Cyclone reminds me a lot of Van der Graaf Generator, esp. the vocals. The one big complaint I have about Cyclone is the transitions between the vocal and instrumental sequences are too abrupt, almost like they were different tracks they stuck together. I revise my original rating and give it a 4AS. Plus, you gotta love a title like 'Bent Cold Sidewalk!' Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6230 E-Music Roots? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 8/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: TYRANNY OF BEAUTY Ain't No CYCLONE! Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: RE: Does TYRANNY OF BEAUTY Qualify as E-music? >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 14:03:41 -0400 >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >[...] sifting through the latter-day albums to figure out setlists >for my book [...] Huh?!? Setlists? I don't get it. Do you mean listings of what songs were played at a given live show?> > And if you think that's weird, dig this: I like Cyclone now too! >No, I haven't suffered brain damage. [...] Hey, no need to apologize. I consider CYCLONE to be one of the better TD albums, and I'm one of those e-music fans who loathes Pink Floyd, too, so it's interesting that I'd like Jolliffe's vocals, which evoke Floydisms aplenty. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6225 Re: TYRANNY OF BEAUTY Ain't No CYCLONE! Plumer, Scott Thu 7/31/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 31, 1997 7:13 pm Subject: RE: TYRANNY OF BEAUTY Ain't No CYCLONE! Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>[...] sifting through the latter-day albums to figure out setlists >>for my book [...] > Huh?!? Setlists? I don't get it. Do you mean listings of what >songs were played at a given live show?> Yes, exactly. >> And if you think that's weird, dig this: I like Cyclone now too! >>No, I haven't suffered brain damage. [...] > Hey, no need to apologize. I consider CYCLONE to be one of the >better TD albums, and I'm one of those e-music fans who loathes Pink >Floyd, too, so it's interesting that I'd like Jolliffe's vocals, which >evoke Floydisms aplenty. I didn't mean to imply that they were in any way similar, except in that they seem similarly loathed. My person connection between the two was that it took a while for me to appreciate them. For ToB, it was two years, for Cyclone, twelve. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 31, 1997 9:39 pm Subject: Re: Why No Discussion of DIGITAL GOTHIC? Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >I guess I'm just real, real curious if there are pictures of Monique >Froese and/or Dieter Lau (Chris Franke's wife, although I probably >misspelled her name). I always thought Chris's wife was called Ash ...something.... must've got it wrong.... 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 23/07/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jul 31, 1997 11:33 pm Subject: Re: Why No Discussion of DIGITAL GOTHIC? Really-From: Andrew Rozsa At 09:26 AM 7/31/97 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > Howdy, all. I was out sick yesterday, so that's why you didn't get >any mail from yours truly. I talked to Lars last night, and he said >that there's folk on this list who have bought copies of DIGITAL GOTHIC, [...] I ordered it about a 10 days ago from a bookstore in Boston. Since it belongs to their British book section, they have to get it from UK. They promised a reply in 3-4 weeks. When/if I get it, I will post some personal opinions, although I will have nothing to compare it to, since I never saw any of the other publications. What I DO have is David Datta's excellent discography and Klaus Beschorner's updated and quite complete boot discography. Now, if someone would mail me a copies of the other books, I could do a much better job. :-) But I will do as good a job as I can, anyway. Promise. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 1, 1997 4:39 am Subject: Ages on CD Really-From: AslanFan1@a... PLEASE, PLEASE For those of you discussing the Froese's Ages CD, can you please list where this CD is available. none of the online cd shops I've checked list it and nobody here in the states has heard of it. ANy information would be appreciated, and a personal email would be ideal. Thanks! -Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 1, 1997 4:42 am Subject: Rumpelstiltskin Really-From: AslanFan1@a... All Rumpelstiltskin CDs I had have been purchased or reserved. I have not been able to find any more copies. If you are still looking for one, please email me and I'll put you on my waiting list should I be able to get any more. -Alan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7227 Rumpelstiltskin AslanFan1@a... Tue 9/23/1997 2 KB 7228 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Anthony G. Francis, Jr. Tue 9/23/1997 3 KB 7235 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Jeffrey Au-Yeung Wed 9/24/1997 3 KB 27299 Rumpelstiltskin olle.rundgren@s... Fri 6/1/2001 2 KB 27300 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Totta Rydqvist Fri 6/1/2001 3 KB 27302 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Frank Arellano Fri 6/1/2001 3 KB 27303 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Kees Fri 6/1/2001 2 KB 27316 Re: Rumpelstiltskin GCall10692@a... Sat 6/2/2001 2 KB 27317 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Phil White Sat 6/2/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 1, 1997 8:50 am Subject: E-Music Roots? Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Funny you should say that, because I've just turned the other >way. While sifting through the latter-day albums to figure out setlists >for my book (plug, plug) I listened to ToB a lot, and found I like it >more now than I did when I first heard it. The heavy dependence on >guitar, IMHO, is a betrayal of their e-music roots, but still, I like >it. I would not agree that e-music forms any part of TD's roots - they almost invented the term and the music. The Ones, Agitation Free, Psy (KS band pre-TD) Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri are far more rock oriented that what is now considered e-music. Admittedly, TD certainly took that rock influence and put some pretty major alterations and influences on them, but I would suggest that things like ToB and TotT are closer to their origins than e-music classics like Logos. I believe that was what Edgar was referring to when he indicated that ToB represented the completion of a cicle, almost a return to their roots in rock music with guitar drums and more traditional instruments. ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 1, 1997 9:13 am Subject: Re: Does TYRANNY OF BEAUTY Qualify as E-music? Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > I'm curious what people here would pick as TD's least E-music- > oriented release. My guess would be TYRANNY OF BEAUTY. Second would be > TURN OF THE TIDES, third would be ELECTRONIC MEDITATION, fourth would be > 220 VOLT LIVE, fifth would be LILY ON THE BEACH, and sixth? Uh, I don't > think there *is* a sixth. If there was, though, I'd say it's AGES. ;) Taking the last point first, I'd say that possible contenders for non- e-music albums would be Epsilon and (shock, horror) Stratosfear. How do I justify such a statement ? Well, bear with me - this is, after all, just my personal feelings on the whole thing. For me, e-music has to 'transport' the listener. That is my primary criterion. This can be achieved through the use of abstract sounds, hypnotic rhythms, stereo effects units, etc. Another way is to take the listener on a 'musical odyssey' - through the subtle and not-so- subtle changing of melody or harmony lines, using repeated themes, key changes, modal changes, etc. For me, the first approach is the only one which can get me 'sucked into' a piece. I require attention to texture and details of sound to get me 'drifting away'. Perhaps this is why classical music does very little for me (and indeed, the 'classic' synth playing of Keith Emerson). To my ears, TD gave up working on sounds and abstraction when Schmoelling left. Ever since, their albums have been experiments in musical ideas, with very little time given over to sound experimentation and using the recording studio as an instrument in its own right. That's why '74 to '82 is the golden era of TD for me. It's not a 'retro' thing - I simply like that type of music better and always will. Other bands have picked up on this 'sound experimentation' thing, like Underworld, System 7 (777 in the States), Ozric Tentacles, etc. Jarre proved he could still strut his stuff with Oxygene 7-13, Shreeve created Rubycon 3-6 in the shape of Redshift. It CAN still be done, and it makes me really, really sad to have to admit that I doubt TD (the undisputed masters of the genre) will ever take the time to do it again. Edgar & co. have obviously made the decision (consciously or sub-consciously) to concentrate 95% of their time on creating new music and 5% of their time on deciding which sounds to use. They aren't an e-music band any more - they're a musical group who tend to use electronic instruments. I miss the old band. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 1, 1997 10:36 am Subject: Re: ToB book Really-From: John Wilson > Really-From: Grant Middleton > > Did you find out what the publication date on the book was ? Before > or after ToB the disc ? It's a spooky coincidence if there is truly n= > o > connection. Nope, sorry... and it seems to have gone now, but maybe that quote from the website is all the connexion. Is there perhaps some well-know quote behind both titles? Maybe we'll never know. And on the other ToB thread, I found it hard to get into at first; seems sort of meandering. But now I find I quite like the thing, although GC is far better IMHO. Does anyone else go weak at the knees (for the right reason!) at the really smooth start to Little Blond? (The smoky sax if I got the right track.) John W. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Does TYRANNY OF BEAUTY Qualify as E-music? >Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 09:13:16 +0000 (GMT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Grant Middleton > >[. . .] I'd say that possible contenders for non-e-music [TD] >albums would be Epsilon and (shock, horror) Stratosfear. > >How do I justify such a statement ? Well, bear with me - this is, >after all, just my personal feelings on the whole thing. > >For me, e-music has to 'transport' the listener. That is my primary >criterion. This can be achieved through the use of abstract sounds, >hypnotic rhythms, stereo effects units, etc. Another way is to take >the listener on a 'musical odyssey' - through the subtle and not-so- >subtle changing of melody or harmony lines, using repeated themes, >key changes, modal changes, etc. > >For me, the first approach is the only one which can get me 'sucked >into' a piece. I require attention to texture and details of sound >to get me 'drifting away'. [. . .] Sorry about quoting so much text, only to give such short responses, but . . . EPISILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE and STRATOSFEAR don't 'transport the listener'??? What? I think that EPSILON and RUBYCON are the two best long players Edgar's ever made--mostly *because* of their ability to transport me entirely. >To my ears, TD gave up working on sounds and abstraction when >Schmoelling left. Ever since, their albums have been experiments >in musical ideas, with very little time given over to sound >experimentation and using the recording studio as an instrument >in its own right. Let's see, Johannes left in 1986. . . . I just checked my handy- dandy TD Pocket Discography, and -- gulp -- you're right, with the lone possible exception of DEAD SOLID PERFECT, TD doesn't serve up exotic soundscapes, anymore. :( Still, tracks here and there--like 'Dolls in the Shadow' and 'Desert Train' (MELROSE) and 'Touchwood' (ROCKOON) come close. And, er, what about THE DREAM MIXES? That *is* rather transportive, if you ask *me*. >Edgar & co. have obviously made the decision (consciously or >sub-consciously) to concentrate 95% of their time on creating >new music and 5% of their time on deciding which sounds to use. >They aren't an e-music band any more - they're a musical group >who tend to use electronic instruments. I miss the old band. Unfortunately, I agree with you--for the most part. >Subject: E-Music Roots? >Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:50:07 +0000 (GMT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > >I would not agree that e-music forms any part of TD's roots - they >almost invented the term and the music. The Ones, Agitation Free, Psy >(KS band, pre-TD), Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri are far more >rock oriented that what is now considered e-music. Admittedly, TD >certainly took that rock influence and put some pretty major >alterations and influences on them, but I would suggest that things >like ToB and TotT are closer to their origins than e-music classics >like Logos. A good argument that I find hard to refute. >I believe that was what Edgar was referring to when he indicated that >ToB represented the completion of a cicle, almost a return to their >roots in rock music with guitar drums and more traditional instruments. Phooey, but it seems likely that you're right. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6251 Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music Grant Middleton Mon 8/4/1997 5 KB 6253 Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Mon 8/4/1997 5 KB 6256 Edgar rocks ! (was: Re: TD's Roots, ...) Grant Middleton Mon 8/4/1997 4 KB 6258 Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music PNaunton@a... Mon 8/4/1997 3 KB 6259 Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 8/5/1997 4 KB 6262 Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music Marcel Engels Tue 8/5/1997 4 KB 6276 Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music Plumer, Scott Tue 8/5/1997 3 KB 6278 Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 8/5/1997 4 KB 6279 Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music Plumer, Scott Tue 8/5/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 1, 1997 1:47 pm Subject: rumpelstiltskin Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Subject: Rumpelstiltskin >Really-From: AslanFan1@a... >All Rumpelstiltskin CDs I had have been purchased or reserved. I have not >been able to find any more copies. If you are still looking for one, please >email me and I'll put you on my waiting list should I be able to get any >more. I, however, still have several sealed copies of Rumpelstilskin available. Contact me off-list if interested. Lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 1, 1997 6:28 pm Subject: CDs I found in St Louis Really-From: Steve Hinksman Hi all, While in St Louis on a business trip last week, I popped into a Blockbuster Music to see what they had. To my surprise, I found _Stuntman_, _Raven_, and _Miracle Mile_, for reasonable prices (US$12, 16, and 12, respectively). I also finally found _Firestarter_ for a cheap price ($12). I'm from Toronto, so finding these CDs, and such (comparitively) good prices was really nice. (And only 6.875% tax instead of 15%!) I'll be returning to St Louis in a couple of weeks, so if anyone has any suggestions for CD stores with more uncommon TD, I'd appreciate knowing about them. I'm looking for more solo Froese, B5 II (Messages from Earth), _Dream Roots_ box, maybe some other stuff as I see it. (I know I can get some of these in Toronto, I just don't like paying CDN$30 after taxes). I'd post some reviews, but I think anything I can come up with has already been said as part of the D: album threads. All the best, Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 2, 1997 12:00 pm Subject: Re: Remote Viewing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' One thing... stay away from: (or keep ears closed) Courtney Brown.. As he is the sole reason for the Heavens Gate Suicides.. His ideas of a spaceship behind Hale Bopp... Yeah I remember that radio program he was on.. Ed Dames is much better.. he is the teacher of Courtney.. and to this day, Ed dosn't think Courtney's research is very accurate... Sorrie for the off topic! Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 2, 1997 2:47 pm Subject: HELP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jtc@c... (Jay T. Carrigan) HELP Please take me off this list, and if possible let me know the identity of the prankster who subscribed me to the list. Jay Carrigan jtc@c... >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > >One thing... stay away from: (or keep ears closed) > >Courtney Brown.. >As he is the sole reason for the Heavens Gate Suicides.. >His ideas of a spaceship behind Hale Bopp... >Yeah I remember that radio program he was on.. > >Ed Dames is much better.. he is the teacher of Courtney.. and to this day, >Ed dosn't think Courtney's research is very accurate... > >Sorrie for the off topic! > >Greg... > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6246 Re: HELP Michael Fox Tue 9/2/1997 4 KB 8363 HELP Micke Stark Wed 11/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 2, 1997 5:19 pm Subject: Dream Roots 5th CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... I just recieved the Dream Roots 5 cd box set and I must say that the 5th disk is'nt as great as everyone made it out to be. I'm a little disappointed. The way it was being talked about, I thought I was going to hear something along the greatness of Force Majuere or Tangram. So far I do like Red Morpho. I personally think this is the best track on the disk. Well, maybe after a couple of more listens, i'll grow into the whole disk. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6239 Re: Dream Roots 5th CD Jay T. Carrigan Sat 8/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 2, 1997 6:24 pm Subject: Re: Dream Roots 5th CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jtc@c... (Jay T. Carrigan) Please take me off this list, and if possible let me know the identity of the prankster who subscribed me to the list. Jay Carrigan jtc@c... >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > >I just recieved the Dream Roots 5 cd box set and I must say that the 5th disk >is'nt as great as everyone made it out to be. I'm a little disappointed. The >way it was being talked about, I thought I was going to hear something along >the greatness of Force Majuere or Tangram. So far I do like Red Morpho. I >personally think this is the best track on the disk. Well, maybe after a >couple of more listens, i'll grow into the whole disk. > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 3, 1997 1:56 am Subject: D:Solo - Week 8, Aug. 4, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This week of August 4, 1997 we would like to hear comments on: Christopher Franke - Klemania AND/OR - Morphing Space 'The Singles' ------------------------------------------------- Please make subject title 'D:Klemania' or 'D:Morphing Space' when commenting. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 3, 1997 1:56 am Subject: Looking for Goblin's Club Pre-release ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Hi fellow Dreamers, Anybody out there willing to part with their copy of 'Goblin's Club' pre-release on Sequel. This CD is identical to the regular release except that it has the titles printed on the disc and no inserts. I know that there are some of you out there that have this. Please e-mail me off this list if you are willing to accept offers (cash or trade). I have some very rare TD available to trade for this (for example: E. Froese 'Ages' 2 LP Japanese release on vinyl). Thanks, Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 3, 1997 4:56 am Subject: Amsterdam 1997 Show ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I've heard of a promo CD-R copy of the 1997 TD show from Amsterdam held on April 20th, if I'm not mistaken. This looks like a double CD-R release with a good quality first set (vintage TD) and a great 'modern' second set. This show was in a small venue, so it should be quite good. I think Edgar even mentioned something about feeling he was back in the year 1972... (at least what friends say) I think there might be a very limited release of this show to avid TD fans on CD-R under the title 'A'dam Eve'. But we'll see what becomes of this... Vic By the way, I also heard that there may be a release from Bonn. Anybody with information on these shows, please let me know! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 3, 1997 3:05 pm Subject: ordering TD on the web ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jonathan Sands' Hey gang, Just wanted to pass on some info to you - a few days ago somebody posted a couple of web addresses for places that carry a fair amount of TD. Well, I decided to check one out - Compact Discovery - and they have a pretty good selection of CD's (new & used) at decent prices. Needless to say I ordered several :) I found PERGAMON, LE PARC, DEAD SOLID PERFECT, FIRESTARTER, & POLAND, to name a few. When they arrive, I'll hopefully have a chance to throw in my .02 about them - seems all the discussions are about albums I don't have yet, so I'm trying to catch up ;) Take care! ** Kim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6244 Re: ordering TD on the web TangerineC@a... Sun 8/3/1997 2 KB 6247 Re: ordering TD on the web Michael Fox Tue 9/2/1997 3 KB 6245 Re: ordering TD on the web Paul Nagle Mon 8/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 3, 1997 4:56 pm Subject: Re: ordering TD on the web ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-08-03 11:08:36 EDT, you write: << Just wanted to pass on some info to you - a few days ago somebody posted a couple of web addresses for places that carry a fair amount of TD. Well, I decided to check one out - Compact Discovery - and they have a pretty good selection of CD's (new & used) at decent prices. Needless to say I ordered several :) >> What is the web address to this place? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6247 Re: ordering TD on the web Michael Fox Tue 9/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 4, 1997 12:51 am Subject: Re: ordering TD on the web ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle On Sun, 03 Aug 1997 11:05:51 -0400, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Isn't it possible to tag this message to the END of emails rather than the start? Or even make it a one-liner giving the URL or the full info... Just a thought, Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 2, 1997 1:28 pm Subject: Re: HELP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Jay Carrigan: Can't read? What a moron! At 10:47 AM 8/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: jtc@c... (Jay T. 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Complaining here is useless. >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >>Really-From: 'Greg Heil' >> >> >> >>One thing... stay away from: (or keep ears closed) >> >>Courtney Brown.. >>As he is the sole reason for the Heavens Gate Suicides.. >>His ideas of a spaceship behind Hale Bopp... >>Yeah I remember that radio program he was on.. >> >>Ed Dames is much better.. he is the teacher of Courtney.. and to this day, >>Ed dosn't think Courtney's research is very accurate... >> >>Sorrie for the off topic! >> >>Greg... >> > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 2, 1997 1:30 pm Subject: Re: ordering TD on the web ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox That was me that posted the URL's. They are: www.compactdiscovery.com www2.vinylvendors.com/VinylVendors/ (note www2 and CAPS) Both have search capabilities and have a bunch of TD. Mike At 12:56 PM 8/3/97 -0400, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > >In a message dated 97-08-03 11:08:36 EDT, you write: > ><< Just wanted to pass on some info to you - a few days ago > somebody posted a couple of web addresses for places that carry a fair > amount of TD. Well, I decided to check one out - Compact Discovery - > and they have a pretty good selection of CD's (new & used) at decent > prices. Needless to say I ordered several :) >> > >What is the web address to this place? > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 3, 1997 7:30 pm Subject: Dream Roots Collection ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean >Really-From: TangerineC@a... >I just recieved the Dream Roots 5 cd box set and I must say that the 5th >disk is'nt as great as everyone made it out to be. I'm a little >disappointed. I will always have a pleasant association with this release. It was the first thing I picked up after having arrived in London the morning of the Sheperd's Bush show...Had I shopped around a bit more, I might have found a better deal, but that's life... I got my first audition of the disc 5 while visiting Hermes and John Burek who were staying around the corner from my hotel...I liked it then and still enjoy it now...A careful listening to the remaining discs will also yield some pleasant suprises including changes to the Hyperborea and LeParc material...Give it time.... Mike J Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21972 Dream Roots Collection Brian M. Frick Sat 4/15/2000 2 KB 21973 Re: Dream Roots Collection Rainer Rutka Sat 4/15/2000 3 KB 21974 Re: Dream Roots Collection Andrew Rozsa Sat 4/15/2000 2 KB 21980 Re: Dream Roots Collection Gustavo Jobim Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB 22018 Re: Dream Roots Collection Andrew Rozsa Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB 22029 Re: Dream Roots Collection =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Vill Mon 4/17/2000 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: search the keep Tangerine Dream Digest ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman On 8/1/97, 7:43PM jean-michel spagnol said: > >i seach the keep OST (movie from M Mann , Music by T Dream) >do you know if it exist *I* do, yes, but not many people believe me. There is an internet computer mailing list for Tangerine Dream fans, and two other people there say they've seen it, too. The mailing list's net address is . If you'd like to subscribe, send an e-mail to . I'm forwarding a copy of this note to the mailing list. Perhaps someone there from France will help you. >i've had your adress by robin from sonic records Do you mean Sonic Images, Chris Franke's label? >-- >------------------------------------------------------------- >Jean-Michel Spagnol > >mailto:jeanmichel.spagnol@h... > >homepage:http://www.mygale.org/04/jms06 > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Gorodish Private Gallery : Expo Jazz par Jean-Marc Malard >goto http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Flats/2762/ >-------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 4, 1997 3:53 am Subject: D:~~~>/////'>~ 'Klemania' ~<'\\\\\<~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... Klemania August 3, 1997 I like this one, too! Chris Franke 'Klemania' Published 1995 Purchased 1995 Sonic Images SI-8504-2 This is Franke with most of the stops pulled out. When I first played this CD the volume control was a tad higher than would be considered normal. It began with the usual Franke ambient noise jam, but then took a sudden right turn into a corridor of flashing lights and mirrors. The dynamic level was approaching the maximum that my amplifier, not to mention my ears, could safely handle. This is good. This is really good. It is beyond the usual Franke style of cerebral compositions. Cerebral is not a negative term here, but instead a descriptive one. There is a sense of cognitive creation here; a working base and a thoughtful progression. From here, where the foundation is built, Franke works hard and vigorously to design a 'house of music', and for the most part it works well. Good beginnings, good middles, good ends. The compositions do have a tendency, upon closer investigation, to have a patched together quality. But this does not seem eminently obvious, instead it shows this appearance only after repeated listenings. This is similar to the way that early Tangerine Dream music is constructed. Primitive, but effective. This is again not a negative, perhaps even less so in the case of Klemania. Much of the phrasing here is lifted almost wholesale from Franke soundtracks (again not a negative, necessarily) but there is a 'suite' quality in the final presentation which I find most agreeable. Many composers have resorted to publishing a suite of compositions from a major work with great success. 'The Nutcracker Suite' comes to mind; this paricular one where the suite has far, far greater appeal than the original work. More's the pity in this case; but I digress. TD also uses this approach in their concerts; inserting little binders to attach one piece to another. This is something I wish they would do on a 'Tangents' basis. You know; re-publish some of their greater successes in a 'Tangents' package with fresh bridges connecting all the pieces into one seamless work. But it will never happen. Too bad!! My only strong objection to this disc is the final track 'Silent Waves'. This track has a very haunting character and has all the makings for a really good piece, but it doesn't go anywhere! Frustrating!! The sequencers are all geared up to take this off to the promised land, but then it fizzles out like a faulty firecracker. Every time I listen to this, which is quite frequently I might add, I think that there is something wrong with the CD player. 'What? It's over? Power failure? Dirty CD? Laser burned out? Oh, it's 'Silent Waves'. Stupid tune!' Phil Naunton - - See you on the list. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 4, 1997 9:57 am Subject: Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton Hi folks, > EPISILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE and STRATOSFEAR don't 'transport the > listener'??? What? Well, they don't transport THIS listener. That's all. Power to you if you get swept away by them. Epsilon is truly beautiful and I play it frequently, but it doesn't make me forget where I am - I don't 'dissolve' ! Stratosfear sounds like a different band to me, or TD from a much later era - it kinda sticks out like a sore thumb when I listen to the albums surrounding it. In fact, it's one of the few '70s albums I haven't upgraded to CD. > I think that EPSILON and RUBYCON are the two best > long players Edgar's ever made Exsqueeze me ? Baking powder ? WHO made Rubycon ??? Sorry if I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but once again, TD is not equal to Edgar Froese. Edgar couldn't have made Rubycon any more than Roger Waters could have made Dark Side of the Moon or John Lennon could have made Sgt. Peppers. I'm not saying that Edgar didn't play the major role in the albums creation, but there were two other, very active, members of TD at the time. > --mostly *because* of their ability to transport me entirely. Rubycon most certainly does transport me, because it is a very abstract album and very texturally alive, whereas Epsilon uses two or three static textures in the shape of Mellotron strings, flute and simple unchanging sequencer patterns. It sounds wonderful and is /musically/ complex, but it doesn't take me out of myself, probably more to do with my shortcomings as a listener more than with any failure on Edgar's part in the composition. > And, er, what about THE DREAM MIXES? That *is* rather > transportive, if you ask *me*. Dream Mixes doesn't do anything for ME, sorry. I just don't think TD 'got the idea' with dance music. There are many bands who HAVE managed to meld dance beats with traditional electronic textures (and even rock motifs) successfully, and I'd listen to them any day before thinking about picking up DM. I remember an editorial in Future Music, I think, where Jerome and Edgar were having a good old moan about dance music in general, and particularly those artists who sampled TD for use in their own compositions. They just came over as middle- aged farts who complain about any form of music different from what they grew up with. I guess DM was their attempt to show what COULD be done, when sensitivity and respect was applied in remixing process. I'd say they shot themselves in the foot. Grunt Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6253 Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Mon 8/4/1997 5 KB 6256 Edgar rocks ! (was: Re: TD's Roots, ...) Grant Middleton Mon 8/4/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 4, 1997 9:49 am Subject: Is this a record? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: G.N.P.Sutton@s... Ordered Oasis from CDS (Compact Disc Services) on Tuesday at 11:00 a.m. There it was on my doormat when I got home from work on Wednesday!!!!!!! Not bad me thinks. Regs, Nigels. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6254 Re: Is this a record? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Mon 8/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 4, 1997 11:41 am Subject: Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Grant, you don't need to read this - you were there when this bolt of enlightening struck in the car last Friday. All this discussion of roots and rock and that made me re-assess some things regarding TD's music, and something interesteing struck me. I seem to recall that Edgar always refers to TD as a rock band - a 'categorisation' I never felt comfortable with, but that was tough luck on me, I suppose. It suddenly struck me on Friday that perhaps Edgar is far more rock oriented than I (and presumably a lot of others) previously thought. The following is a list of what I consider to be TD's most rock-style or rock influenced albums, along with a short discussion : Electronic Meditation - the first and one-off album features a rock trio which was rocky (almost jazz) in style. A new band with, presumably, significant influence from Froese (who's band it was) accompanied by two musicians who had just come from rock-style backgrounds. Alpha Centauri - Franke replaced Schulze as drummer and spent some time together before Shroyder appeared. The result - a heavily rhythmical album which had a predominance of drums and organ, accompanied by other, traditional 'prog-rock' instruments. Green Desert - with Baumann gone and Froese and Franke alone in the studio, they come up with another rocky album, full of heavy drums and layered synths. Cyclone - Baumann leaves and, with Franke and Froese joined by two new members, we get another (their most?) prog-rock style album including (god-forbid) vocals. Force Majeure - Franke and Froese alone (almost) in the study again, and we get another rocky masterpiece - not a multi-layered soundscape of textures from synths (well, it might be that too, but guitar and drums take precedence here). Rockoon/Turn of the Tides/Tyranny of Beauty - Edgar and son are on their own, and we're back to crashing drums, searing guitar solos and wind instrument accompanyment (yes, I know sax is brass, but I mean it is blown). So, what does all this say to me? Well, when left to his own devises (certainly with Franke), Edgar liked nothing better than having a good old rock! I have to re-assess what TD music is about because it appears that it is not just synths with some things tacked on - it seems that the synths are the things that are the additions, and the drums, guitars, etc. which a lot of us are complaining about at present is Edgar's vision of where rock music has got to since the early 70s. Enough babbling. Anyone agree or disagree? ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6256 Edgar rocks ! (was: Re: TD's Roots, ...) Grant Middleton Mon 8/4/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 4, 1997 11:54 am Subject: Re: Is this a record? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 No, that's a small, flat, black thing with a hole in it! ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 3, 1997 8:50 pm Subject: Laser Discs / Separate Audio Tracks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak Several months ago, someone mentioned that a particular series of laser discs has separate audio tracks. I can't find the thread. I think it was referring to 'Risky Business.' Please contact me if you have info. Cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 4, 1997 12:53 pm Subject: Edgar rocks ! (was: Re: TD's Roots, ...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. So how do I remove my subscription from the address middletong@m..., from which I can't send e-mails, but which still receives and forwards any messages to my current address ? > Grant, you don't need to read this - you were there when this bolt of > enlightening struck in the car last Friday. Ah, hell, I'll read it again. It /was/ kinda hard to follow your thoughts when you were going 'Hey, wow ! Oh far out man, it's just like, wooah. Man, it's all so clear to me ! It's like all one big shining lattice of ideas.' > So, what does all this say to me? Well, when left to his own devises (certainly > with Franke), Edgar liked nothing better than having a good old rock! I have to > re-assess what TD music is about because it appears that it is not just synths > with some things tacked on - it seems that the synths are the things that are > the additions, and the drums, guitars, etc. which a lot of us are complaining > about at present is Edgar's vision of where rock music has got to since the > early 70s. I think you might just have hit the nail on the head - they're a rock band who had a brief excursion into the realms of pure electronic music, not vice versa. What a shame. I suppose a mirror-image artist might be Brian Eno, who is essentially the boffin at heart, but who made brief landings on the surface of Planet Loud. > Enough babbling. Anyone agree or disagree? I hate to use this phrase at all on the Internet, but *** I AGREE !!! *** Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Hypnotic or Starsounds Best of TD CD??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Howdy All, Remember my idea about a 3-CD set of the poppier TD? Well, I just played two CDs last night, TANGERINE AMBIENCE and COSMIC JOURNEY, and it dawned on me that here we have two CDs that feature music solely from other companies. The first, Hypnotic, is all TD covers, while the other, I *think* it's called Starsounds, is a best of e-music/new age that has the remix of Chris Franke's 'Morphing Space,' along with tracks by Eno and Jah Wobble, Jonn Serrie, Steve Roach, Constance Demby, Suzanne Ciani, etc. I'm going to send these two labels copies of the letter I sent to Miramar about a 3-CD set of TD greats. If TD's own labels are too lame to feature TD tracks from competitor labels, maybe it'll be up to a label that owns *none* of TD's stuff. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6261 Re: Hypnotic or Starsounds Best of TD CD??? feldon@p... Mon 8/4/1997 3 KB 6272 Re: Hypnotic or Starsounds Best of TD CD??? Mark Filipak Tue 8/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 4, 1997 2:47 pm Subject: Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-08-04 06:46:33 EDT, you write: << Rockoon/Turn of the Tides/Tyranny of Beauty - Edgar and son are on their own, and we're back to crashing drums, searing guitar solos and wind instrument accompanyment (yes, I know sax is brass, but I mean it is blown). >> -- American Heritage Dictionary -- 'Saxophone n. A wind instrument having a single-reed mouthpiece, a usually curved conical metal bore, and finger keys, and made in a variety of sizes.' 'Saxhorn n. Any of a family of valved brass wind instruments, resembling the bugle and having a full, even tone and wide compass.' Both are winds, both designed by Sax, but only the first is a woodwind. Phil Naunton P.S. By the way, E-Music is _anything_ that comes over speakers; all hi-fi, all P.A., everything electronically driven. Non-E-Music is everything else; singing in the shower, acoustic instruments, most Opera, many street musicians (not so many now), comb-and-tissue-paper......... ;-) As with anything -- the definition suits the definer........and probably nobody else. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6259 Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 8/5/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 4, 1997 4:40 pm Subject: Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > P.S. By the way, E-Music is _anything_ that comes over speakers; >all hi-fi, all P.A., everything electronically driven. Non-E-Music is >everything else; singing in the shower, acoustic instruments, most Opera, >many street musicians (not so many now), comb-and-tissue-paper......... ;-) > As with anything -- the definition suits the definer........and probably >nobody else. Anyone on the goldtri list knows this problem. Look how long we spent arguing about who and what was inside and outside of the triangle! I doubt we'd reach any better concensus of opinion on what E-music is. BTW, on the All-Music Guide on the web, they have sub-categories of Rock. Guess how many there are? 108!!!!! How many could you come up with, without cheating? ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 4, 1997 4:00 pm Subject: Re: FRANKE out of the band ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Hey, isn't it ten years ago this week??? MJ Is this new message with us forever???? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6265 Re: FRANKE out of the band TangerineC@a... Mon 8/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 4, 1997 3:53 pm Subject: Re: Hypnotic or Starsounds Best of TD CD??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 09:35 AM 8/4/97 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Howdy All, > Remember my idea about a 3-CD set of the poppier TD? Well, I just >played two CDs last night, TANGERINE AMBIENCE and COSMIC JOURNEY, and it >dawned on me that here we have two CDs that feature music solely from >other companies. >If TD's own labels are too lame >to feature TD tracks from competitor labels, maybe it'll be up to a >label that owns *none* of TD's stuff. From a recent re-post of a Voyager article... Edgar, 'We have started our own label TDI this year and we will soon start releasing something like 25 hours of unreleased material.', 'There are plans to re-release Johannes Schmoelling's Zoo of Tranquility on the TDI label.' And as far as a 'Best of TD' 3-CD. What about a 'Best of TD' 10-CD... like Tangents and Dream Roots... Oops, did I rock the boat? Sorry...It's just that Edgar made his decision about what he considers the 'Best of TD'. It actually has it printed on the inside of Tangents. Edgar's favorite 11 TD tracks (Virgin Years): Phaedra Mysterious Semblance Ricochet pt. 2 Rubycon pt. 2 3AM at the Border... Stratosfear Logos Kiew Mission Pilots of Purple Twilight Force Majeure Tangram pt. 1 Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 4, 1997 5:33 pm Subject: Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > > So, what does all this say to me? Well, when left to his own devises(certainly > with Franke), Edgar liked nothing better than having a good old rock! I have to > re-assess what TD music is about because it appears that it is not just synths > with some things tacked on - it seems that the synths are the things that are > the additions, and the drums, guitars, etc. which a lot of us are complaining > about at present is Edgar's vision of where rock music has got to since the > early 70s. > > Enough babbling. Anyone agree or disagree? Agree, but thats exactly why I like their music. I like a bit of guitar/drums in electronic music. I prefer a real drummer to a drumcomputer (unless it's a TR808 or Oberheim drums, both used on Poland). And I 'hate' guitar-sounds from a synth (well almost any 'real' sounds from a synth). That's also why I like Pulsar, Pink Floyd, Orbital etc. Because of the real instruments they use and the electronic bits sounds pure electronic. As for Brian Eno. I heared 2 of his CDs, I don't know which it was -something with a russian word in it. But I can't listen to it. I think it's non-music. But this is probably his idea. I can get carried away with 'floating/experimental' music, but I must hear a melody. (think Phaedra, first track superb!) With a lot of musicians I don't hear melodies or solos, which I always try to find in a piece. All in my opinion, of course. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... Could be very interested, Vic the complete Amsterdam 1997 show! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: The Artist Shouldn't Pick the 'Best' Tracks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Hypnotic or Starsounds Best of TD CD??? >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 09:53:56 -0600 >Really-From: feldon@p... > >And as far as a 'Best of TD' 3-CD. What about a 'Best of TD' 10-CD... >like Tangents and Dream Roots... I'm trying to get the curious buyer to *like* enough of what's on a comp to buy it without having to mortgage the house. >Oops, did I rock the boat? Sorry...It's just that Edgar made his decision >about what he considers the 'Best of TD'. [. . .] Sigh. As far as *I'm* concerned, the artist is the last one who should be able to ascertain which is the best of his output as far as putting something out into the marketplace is concerned. An artist's personal feelings about a work of art are completely separate and different than the feelings the public and critics have about same. Example: if Edgar didn't like the title track to OPTICAL RACE, he wouldn't have recorded it, and if he didn't think his remake of 'Upland' was preferable on his semi-greatest hits package BEYOND THE STORM, he wouldn't have put that there, either. Does this mean that either of these are necessarily particularly meritorious? No. >[. . .] It actually has it printed on the >inside of Tangents. Edgar's favorite 11 TD tracks (Virgin Years): > >Phaedra >Mysterious Semblance >Ricochet pt. 2 >Rubycon pt. 2 >3AM at the Border... >Stratosfear >Logos >Kiew Mission >Pilots of Purple Twilight >Force Majeure >Tangram pt. 1 All these really indicate are those which Edgar feels the best about as compositions, not their effect on the marketplace, fans, critics, or what have you. Phil Manzanera put out a compilation of his favorite tracks from his own career and nobody bought it because it was a random collection of tracks as far as the buyer was concerned: there were some classics, but also a lot of so-so tracks from albums that had much better tracks that weren't selected. Sorry to say, but when it comes to 'greatest hits' packages, the band itself should not be in on it. Flame away. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6268 Re: The Artist Shouldn't Pick the 'Best' Tracks TWeibre361@a... Mon 8/4/1997 3 KB 6275 Re: The Artist Shouldn't Pick the 'Best' Tracks Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 8/5/1997 4 KB 6284 Re: The Artist Shouldn't Pick the 'Best' Tracks Pete Tue 8/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: No Melody in Eno's Ambient Music(?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:33:12 +0200 >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > >As for Brian Eno. I heared 2 of his CDs, I don't know which it was >-something with a russian word in it. But I can't listen to it. I think >it's non-music. But this is probably his idea. It is, literally, insofar as he coined the term 'ambient music' in the first place. ;) The album is THE SHUTOV ASSEMBLY, which -- believe it or not -- is about as melodious, compact, and almost-commerical as his ambient stuff has ever gotten. Also, this album comes very close to the sound of early Nightcrawlers cassettes, in many ways -- and the Nightcrawlers intend to sound like Klaus Schulze and Tangerine Dream much more than they do Eno. >I can get carried away with 'floating/experimental' music, but I must >hear a melody. (think Phaedra, first track superb!) It's there, it's just not as obvious as, say, the Spice Girls' cover of that Janice Joplin tune that is assaulting radio listeners everywhere as we speak. Example: I once taped Eno's ON LAND at high speed, and there -- at double speed -- the melodies stood out. They are just languid and loose, not entirely abstract. Think of how you probably reacted to RUBYCON, AQUA, and EPISILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE the first time you heard them. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6270 Re: No Melody in Eno's Ambient Music(?) Marcel Engels Tue 8/5/1997 5 KB 6312 Re: No Melody in Eno's Ambient Music(?) Bradley Love Thu 8/7/1997 5 KB 6313 Re: No Melody in Eno's Ambient Music(?) Vic Rek Thu 8/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 4, 1997 6:22 pm Subject: Re: FRANKE out of the band ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... Hold on. Chris Franke is out of the band? When did this happen? :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 4, 1997 6:46 pm Subject: Back For More ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Croy Hello Everyone, Following a rare period of much needed downtime (not from the list, mind, but from computers in general), I have returned to add my sparse and sporadic commentary to this wonderful list. I sure did miss everyone. I hope that this works the first time around. This is not my computer nor is it my personal e-mail address (its my fathers) so please bare with the 'Tom Croy' part and just imagine its Maxwell speaking. Over the summer I have finally graduated beyond 70's sequence TD towards the 80's. Logos has been hogging my listening time so far. I'll keep you posted, the only other one I have now is Exit (from the 80's). A special smile and wave goes out to Lars, Mark, and Andy. -Maxwell A. Croy Tom Croy TLC Images tlcimage@w... Ph/Fax: 206-788-8368 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 4, 1996 2:19 pm Subject: TD rocks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Craig Cordrey wrote: >>So, what does all this say to me? Well, when left to his own devises (certainly with Franke), Edgar liked nothing better than having a good old rock! << I certainly go with you, Craig! I started listening to TD back about 1976-77 and when they got into the sequencing heavily always thought it 'rocked'. All those rather percussive seq. parts made up for any 'real' drums and created a wonderful bed to build the melodies, etc. upon. The guitar parts only re-affirm this. So while the emusic/new age tag seems applied to TD, I think it came *after* they were well into the style they began. Maybe in retrospect, TD DO belong in front of 'Talking Heads' and OUT of the new age bins. Another case of the 'industry' trying to pidgeon-hole something. Which makes me wonder if 'Rockoon' was an attempt to send a statement to PM (and maybe, the world) that they were indeed a 'rock' act and not a new age band. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 4, 1997 7:22 pm Subject: Re: The Artist Shouldn't Pick the 'Best' Tracks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-08-04 14:16:40 EDT, you write: << Phil Manzanera put out a compilation of his favorite tracks from his own career and nobody bought it because it was a random collection of tracks as far as the buyer was concerned: there were some classics, but also a lot of so-so tracks from albums that had much better tracks that weren't selected. >> i actually bought this and love it...nice to have it all in one place....also had a couple of things id never seen before.... tom w np: biosphere - substrata From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 4, 1997 4:20 pm Subject: Who is Julia Snyder? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' Hello, dreamers: I have been seeing the name of Julia Snyder in some compacts. Who is she? Thanks. Greetings to 5FTD! José Ramón Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6281 Who is Julia Snyder? Klaus Beschorner Tue 8/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 4, 1997 8:16 pm Subject: Re: No Melody in Eno's Ambient Music(?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > It is, literally, insofar as he coined the term 'ambient music' in > the first place. ;) The album is THE SHUTOV ASSEMBLY, which -- believe > it or not -- is about as melodious, compact, and almost-commerical as > his ambient stuff has ever gotten. Also, this album comes very close to > the sound of early Nightcrawlers cassettes, in many ways -- and the > Nightcrawlers intend to sound like Klaus Schulze and Tangerine Dream > much more than they do Eno. Yes, it was the Shutov Assembly. It sounded to me (back then, maybe it's different now) like a computer is doing some random tunes and doesn't really go to a climax. > >I can get carried away with 'floating/experimental' music, but I must > >hear a melody. (think Phaedra, first track superb!) > > It's there, it's just not as obvious as, say, the Spice Girls' > cover of that Janice Joplin tune that is assaulting radio listeners > everywhere as we speak. Example: I once taped Eno's ON LAND at high > speed, and there -- at double speed -- the melodies stood out. They > are just languid and loose, not entirely abstract. Think of how you > probably reacted to RUBYCON, AQUA, and EPISILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE the > first time you heard them. That's true. When I first heard Rubycon (I hadn't really listened to e-music before apart from the usual Jarre/Tomita-tracks) I thought : What the hell is this, but I liked the sequencer-stuff. Climax here begins at 5:53 with the mellotron playing some high notes and then the music goes into the sequencer and very powerful phased mellotron-strings. Actually I have multiple music-orgasms in this and other TD-records. Don't get me wrong, an example of what I like but doesn't fall in the category 'melody/sequence' is for example the intro of Danger Live or Logos. It doesn't contain a real melody (well a bit) but I find it superb. Maybe I need to hear more from Eno and get used to his techniques. Btw: I don't like Aqua that much, I can't help it. For me Ages is his best solo- effort. As for Schulze, for me he started playing good music after Picture Music. Before that it's a bit too experimental for me. It sounds to me he's just doing something. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... We're still friends aren't we. Are friends electric? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 5, 1997 6:01 am Subject: Midi files on website (at last!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Philip Meyer Hi everyone, I have finally provided the four midi files on my (currently in construction) web site. This is only makeshift for you bunch to get access to the files. I'll be extending my pages, beautifying it, etc. Any ideas/Tangerine Dream links welcome! Fire up your web browser and point it to: http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk Phil -------------Phil Meyer-------------- phil@h... amarok@c... ------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6303 Re: Midi files on website (at last!) Antonio Nunes Thu 8/7/1997 3 KB 6315 Re: Midi files on website (at last!) feldon@p... Thu 8/7/1997 4 KB 6320 Re: Midi files on website (at last!) Craig Rich Thu 8/7/1997 10 KB 6321 Change your name Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 8/7/1997 3 KB 6330 Re: Midi files on website (at last!) feldon@p... Thu 8/7/1997 3 KB 6342 Re: Midi files on website (at last!) Jens Peschke Fri 8/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 5, 1997 4:15 am Subject: Re: Hypnotic or Starsounds Best of TD CD??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > ... If TD's own labels are too lame to feature TD tracks from > competitor labels, maybe it'll be up to a label that owns *none* of > TD's stuff. Makes perfectly good sense to me. Goferit! Let me know if you need any 'backing vocals.' ;-) -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 5, 1997 6:34 am Subject: Horizon Music to distribute some recent TD goodies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sturminatr@a... Howdy all, Horizon Music (the label behind Beyond the Horizon) has reached an agreement with Voiceprint U.K. to sell a limited number of copies of Oasis, Tournado, and the Limited World Tour Edition 1997 (with 'Das Madchen auf der Treppe') for $15 (plus S/H) each. Normally this type of offer is only good for subscribers to BtH, but this time it is also available to non-subscribers as well. Unfortunately, the non-subscribers will have to pay a bit more ($18 plus s/h) and, because of the smaller quantity available, the World Tour Edition will not be part of the offer. But for those of you who don't subscribe to BtH and can't find a copy of Oasis and Tournado near you, this will most likely still be cheaper than most places on the 'net. So, for all you subscribers out there, you can expect your flyer in the mail within the next week (longer for overseas, of course). All those non-subscribers who want more information should contact me directly via my address above. We now return you to the TD discussion already in progress. -B. Kirby BtH Distribution Manager PS - We are also planning a similar deal for Zoo of Tranquility when that is released. Details as they become available. PPS - Having just checked the RPM Records site, I noticed that they are indeed offering the WTE for $10.99. The reason (before somebody asks) that our price is more expensive was because we were quoted the same unit price for all three titles. Or maybe somebody at RPM has some Buds over in Berlin. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6274 Re: Horizon Music to distribute some recent TD go Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 8/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 5, 1997 8:51 am Subject: Re: Horizon Music to distribute some recent TD goodies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: Sturminatr@a... > > >Howdy all, > >Horizon Music (the label behind Beyond the Horizon) has reached an agreement >with Voiceprint U.K. to sell a limited number of copies of Oasis, Tournado, >and the Limited World Tour Edition 1997 (with 'Das Madchen auf der Treppe') >for $15 (plus S/H) each. > Does this signify a movement to close the rift between BtH and TD? Would TD have to okay this, or is this something purely between Voiceprint and Horizon? Does this give you any confidence on BtH's interface with Edgar in the future, Brian? ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 5, 1997 9:01 am Subject: Re: The Artist Shouldn't Pick the 'Best' Tracks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Sorry to say, but when it comes to 'greatest hits' packages, the >band itself should not be in on it. Flame away. > Okay, you asked for it! No-one ever selects the correct 'greatest hits' or complation package because everyone has their own idea of what shold be on it and is therefore disappointed when it's different. Most people on this list know a lot of TD inside-out, and so look for the more obscure and rare items to appear on a box, but that might not be the best collection for new listeners. Record companies are often just as bad (IMO) as putting compilations together (From Dawn ... To Dusk does nothing for me), but why would a 'fan' selection be any better? Most popular groups release 'greatest hits' albums which are easy to create - just select their biggest chart hits and stick them together on an album. When you remove that selection criteria (e.g. when the band have no hits singles), song selection becomes subjective and so you'll never please everyone (probably not entirely please anyone). In this case, why shouldn't the band be left to choose which tracks it feels best represent their work? NP - Heaven & Hell - Grant Middleton ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 5, 1997 12:48 pm Subject: RE: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Electronic Meditation - the first and one-off album features a rock trio which >was rocky (almost jazz) in style. A new band with, presumably, significant >influence from Froese (who's band it was) accompanied by two musicians who had >just come from rock-style backgrounds. New band? They formed in September of '67 and had some 10 members before becoming a trio and recording EM. Plus they played live quite a bit before EM came out. All this is in my book, of course (Never letting slip an oppotunity for a shameless plug.) Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6278 Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 8/5/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Horizon's deal on TOURNADO & OASIS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hey, $18.00 each ain't bad, but I've forgotten which side of the pond Horizon's on. Are they a US outfit or British? And what's their address, and how much extra for postage for one CD if they *are* UK? P.S.: Don't laugh about my not being a subscriber. I never subscribed to the TDIFC, either. In fact, I've never subbed to a TD fanzine. To Japanese animation, Hong Kong cinema, and alien abduction newsletters, yes, but TD, no. This is rather odd since it doesn't reflect my prioritization of said subjects, isn't it? ;) Did you have to know that? No. Big whoop. ;) -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 5, 1997 2:43 pm Subject: Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > New band? They formed in September of '67 and had some 10 >members before becoming a trio and recording EM. Plus they played live >quite a bit before EM came out. All this is in my book, of course (Never >letting slip an oppotunity for a shameless plug.) By 'They formed in September 67', I assume you actually mean the first incarnation of TD. As you point out, Edgar went through quite some line-ups before 'settling' (very briefly) on Schulze and Schnitzler, both of whom arrived in 1969. The TD web-page indicates that Edgar met Schulze in late autumn 1969, and that they subsequently met up with Schnitzler a month later (very late autumn 1969?). The web-page actually says : 'Edgar invited him to a recording session to play cello and a cash register - which sounded crazy enough - so the arist accepted the offer. The result of this session, with Klaus Schulze on drums, was the first TD album »Electronic Meditation«.' It does not appear likely that in this short time they were able to play many live concerts. Does your 'shamelessly plugged' book describe it like this, or do you have other information? BTW, I stand by my first assertion that this was a new band : it might have had a two-year-old name, and a two-year-old vision, but the members were a very new line-up. ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 5, 1997 2:04 pm Subject: RE: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >BTW, I stand by my first assertion that this was a new band : it might have had >a two-year-old name, and a two-year-old vision, but the members were a very new >line-up. OK, I'll agree with that. Here's my entry for 1969 from my book: 1969 Sometime in '69: ? - Magic Cave Club, Frankfurt, Germany (several dates). It is here that Froese meets Klaus Schulze. Drummer Sven Ake Johanson had left due to other commitments, and Froese asked Schulze to fill in on drums. March: Band breaks up. September: Froese teams up with Klaus Schulze and Conrad 'Conny' Schnitzler. TD as we know it is born. October 11: Essener Songtage (Essen International Song Festival), Essen, Germany: At this three-weekend festival, TD shared the bill with Frank Zappa and the Mothers, Jefferson Airplane, The Fugs and The Byrds. TD, being experimental musicians not confined to conventional song structures, were well received by the heavily Marxist crowd, while the other bands were not so well received. Electronic Meditation October: Electronic Meditation recorded by Froese, Schulze & Schnitzler. (Geburt (Genesis), 6:00; Reise durch ein Brennendes Gehirn (Journey Through a Burning Brain), 13:25; Kalter Rauch (Cold Smoke), 11:00; Asche zu Asche (Ashes to Ashes), 3:50; Auferstegung (Resurrection), 3:40. Froese had the idea of musical 'diaries' where all musical ideas would be recorded. EM was one of these diaries, and wasn't really intended for release.) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6283 Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Wed 8/6/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Digital Gothic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) I just got the new catalog from C&D. They offer, among the latest TD relaeses, Edgars 'Ages' and much more, icluding the book 'Digital Gothic'. They take credit cards. Compact Disk Services 40/42 Brantwood Avenue Dundee DD3 6EW Scotland, UK Fax +44-1382-736702 Tel 776595 Digital Gothic UKP 9.99 Postage UK 1.- , Europe 1.75, World 3.75 -klaus- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6779 Digital Gothic Peter Ravn Mon 8/25/1997 3 KB 6781 Re: Digital Gothic Jim Moore Mon 8/25/1997 3 KB 6787 Re: Digital Gothic Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 8/26/1997 3 KB 6803 Re: Digital Gothic Jim Moore Tue 8/26/1997 4 KB 18790 Digital Gothic jonathan.teague@b... Tue 11/2/1999 1 KB 18793 Re: Digital Gothic craig.cordrey@xxxx.xxx Tue 11/2/1999 3 KB 18802 Re: Digital Gothic Craig Chambers Tue 11/2/1999 1 KB 18834 Re: Digital Gothic twosheds Wed 11/3/1999 2 KB 18849 Re: Digital Gothic Jared White Thu 11/4/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Who is Julia Snyder? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >I have been seeing the name of Julia Snyder in some compacts. Who is she? The tall, skinny, black-haired-one ;-) A member of the TD office staff. -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 5, 1997 2:24 pm Subject: Issue #1000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Bill Lantz Congrats to the TDream digest and its subscribers on reaching Issue #1000. I've been around for a few years, don't contribute much but always enjoy the list. Here's hoping for more live shows and a real tour to spice up the digest even more. Bill From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 5, 1997 4:00 pm Subject: Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' You see? That's what really annoys me about all this drugged out hippy stuff - they can't remember what happened all those years ago! No two sources seem to agree on any point!! I don't doubt your sources, Scott, but ... >? - Magic Cave Club, Frankfurt, Germany (several dates). It is here >that Froese meets Klaus Schulze. Drummer Sven Ake Johanson had left due >to other commitments, and Froese asked Schulze to fill in on drums. Whereas the web-page states that Edgar met Klaus in Berlin in a small artist's bar where he (Klaus) was playing with PSY. >September: Froese teams up with Klaus Schulze and Conrad 'Conny' >Schnitzler. TD as we know it is born. and then >October: Electronic Meditation recorded by Froese, Schulze & >Schnitzler. [ rest cut ] and yet the web-page suggests that Edgar met Conrad, invited him to a recording session and 'hey, presto' out came EM. Nothing about Essener Songtage, nothing about other live dates. Is it only me that gets irritated by this complete inability for the 'true' story to come out? (I'm don't mean to suggest that your's isn't the true story, Scott, just that there's an awful lot of competing information out there!) ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 5, 1997 3:23 pm Subject: Re: The Artist Shouldn't Pick the 'Best' Tracks At 09:01 199708.05 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Record companies are often just as bad (IMO) as putting compilations together >(From Dawn ... To Dusk does nothing for me) Not to mention the mis-labled tracks and one track printed on the label that isn't on the disk NATIONAL SECURITY IS THE CHIEF CAUSE OF NATIONAL INSECURITY. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 5, 1997 3:55 pm Subject: welcome back ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Hi Maxwell it's good to have you back! lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 5, 1997 4:08 pm Subject: RE: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>? - Magic Cave Club, Frankfurt, Germany (several dates). It is here >>that Froese meets Klaus Schulze. Drummer Sven Ake Johanson had left due >>to other commitments, and Froese asked Schulze to fill in on drums. >Whereas the web-page states that Edgar met Klaus in Berlin in a small artist's >bar where he (Klaus) was playing with PSY. Whenever I found competing information, I always went with what had more verification. In this case, this was in some published TD information, plus in a book on Klaus Schulze. >and yet the web-page suggests that Edgar met Conrad, invited him to a recording >session and 'hey, presto' out came EM. Nothing about Essener Songtage, nothing >about other live dates. The sequence of meetings/joinings wasn't always clear to me, so I left that area a little grey. The Essener Songtage information was from a book on Frank Zappa. It mentions TD by name. The dates were also mentioned in a book on Jefferson Airplane, but no mention was made of TD. >Is it only me that gets irritated by this complete inability for the 'true' >story to come out? (I'm don't mean to suggest that your's isn't the true story, >Scott, just that there's an awful lot of competing information out there!) Sure, and much of it comes from TD themselves! Perhaps they do it on purpose to mess up people like me, perhaps their memories are indeed foggy, or perhaps (and most likely, methinks) they just don't care. For example, in 1980 they played four dates in Spain and Portugal. Based on events in two offical TD publications, I had two different possibilities. Voices, while it didn't give the exact dates, placed them in the continuum at a third place. So what I did was get newspapers from Spain & Portugal. I found an article in Diario de Noticias (Lisbon) on TD that gave their show dates in Portugal, and El Pais (Madrid) gave no details on TD, but gave an account of the airline strike that prompted their trek across Spain that was recounted in their '81 tour program. Lest you think my information was based on guesses, let me offer some information on what I did to find this stuff: I got newspapers from Spain, Port., Italy, Greece, Toronto, Berlin, Vienna, Paris, London, New York, Denver, Cleveland and Sydney, some going back to 1967. And I had to read them! I got books on Frank Zappa, Hendrix, Jefferson Airplane, and some general music books, plus stacks of issues of Keyboard, Rolling Stone, Journal of Popular Culture, Billboard, Melody Maker, and others, some going back 30 years. I also have about 500 e-mails from people worldwide who have tracked down information, or the lack of information, on TD in their areas. I also travelled to libraries in Ohio, Michigan, Ontario and New York seeking verification on information. I don't mean to run this into the ground, but I've done a bit of research, and what I've published seems to be the most accurate account so far. If you have contradcitory evidence, with proof, I'm very willing to listen. :-) Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6293 Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Wed 8/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Edgar Shouldn't Pick the Hits, *I* Should. ;) ;) ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: The Artist Shouldn't Pick the 'Best' Tracks >Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 09:01:10 +0000 (GMT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > >No-one ever selects the correct 'greatest hits' or complation package >because everyone has their own idea of what shold be on it and is >therefore disappointed when it's different. [...] While this is generally true, there are many ways to approach selecting tracks for a compilation. When I was a David Bowie collector, it was frustrating how the two compilations made for the mass buying public (CHANGESONEBOWIE and CHANGESTWOBOWIE) had the American-familiar tracks but did not reflect European singles chartings--even though Bowie was more of a UK and European phenom than a US happening. It took a good long while until compilations came along that appealed to the hard- core, jaded fan. Examples are (the promo-only ALL CLEAR 1980 SAMPLER), BEST OF BOWIE (on the K-Tel Records label!!!), the soundtrack to the German film CHRISTIANE F., and GOLDEN YEARS. The latter came out way after RCA had exhausted all the radio hits and college radio hits, and so somebody finally got the idea of collecting all the really great songs that never were hits despite their greatness. Examples of such tracks--if I remember correctly--are 'The Man Who Sold the World' (since re-popularized by Nirvana's Unplugged album), 'Fascination,' 'Joe the Lion,' and 'Look Back in Anger.' So, one could say that GOLDEN YEARS was made for the fans, despite the presence of a LET'S DANCE-era image on the cover to lure the recent buyers who'd only bought LET'S DANCE. >[...] Most people on this list know a lot of TD inside-out, and so >look for the more obscure and rare items to appear on a box, but that >might not be the best collection for new listeners. I agree entirely. Record companies usually don't cater to mono- maniacs when they make compilations: they are much more concerned with providing the best possible selection of material from their pool of material without shooting themselves in the foot by putting *all* the good tracks on there. Witness 'Mothers of Rain' not being on the THE PRIVATE MUSIC OF TANGERINE DREAM sampler. >Record companies are often just as bad (IMO) as putting compilations >together (From Dawn ... To Dusk does nothing for me) [...] Well, when they're plugging only their own material, and they don't have much to choose from, what can you do? My answer would be, 'Don't put out a compilation, then!' but I'm not them. ;) >[...] but why would a 'fan' selection be any better? It wouldn't . . . unless the fan was trying to be objective and gear the package to a particular niche market. My own idea is to make a compilation of all the short, catchy, commercial tunes which stop short of being cloying. (This would rule out the title track to OPTICAL RACE, 'Alexander Square' from DESTINATION BERLIN, and 'Purple Haze' from 220 VOLT LIVE, but not necessarily the vocal version of 'Dream Time' from the 220 VOLT LIVE CD-EP.) >Most popular groups release 'greatest hits' albums which are easy to >create - just select their biggest chart hits and stick them together >on an album. [...] Yes, this is the safest route to go, especially if and when the artist is a chart-topper, but if she, he, or they aren't, . . . hey. >[...] When you remove that selection criteria (e.g. when the band have >no hits singles), song selection becomes subjective and so you'll never >please everyone (probably not entirely please anyone). [...] No one can please everyone all the time. Still, there are ways to go about making selections, like the case with Bowie's GOLDEN YEARS compilation. >[...] In this case, why shouldn't the band be left to choose which >tracks it feels best represent their work? Because, more often than not, what the musician likes and what the buyer likes are completely unrelated--unless all the musician cares about is the bottom line. I believe that my selection of tracks for a three-CD compilation would lure in the most buyers because it has tracks from a greater variety of TD albums (i.e. the largest number of albums), than any other compilation and hence would have stuff of quality and appeal from all of TD's time-periods, not just a given span. Here are my choices for a compilation. I have chosen the Ones single and the 'Ultima Thule' single as the sole bonuses for the 'fans' since TD would most likely not want to contribute (new material) to such a venture in the first place. 1966 Lady Greengrass (A-side of the German 45 by the Ones) 2:41 1966 Love of Mine (B-side of the German 45 by the Ones) 3:03 1972 Ultima Thule, Part 1 (A-side of the 45) 3:27 1972 Ultima Thule, Part 2 (B-side of the 45) 4:17 1974 Movements of a Visionary (PHAEDRA) 7:54 1977 Betrayal (Sorcerer Theme) (SORCERER) 3:41 1979 Cloudburst Flight (FORCE MAJEURE) 7:21 1980 Beach Theme (THIEF soundtrack) 3:44 1981 Kiew Mission (EXIT) 9:18 1982 White Eagle (WHITE EAGLE) 4:30 1983 Daydream (German 45 [A-side]; TATORT German TV show sndtrck) 4:40 Moorland (German 45 [B-side]; TATORT German TV show sndtrck) 3:50 Cinnamon Road (HYPERBOREA) 3:54 Rare Bird (UK 12', the sepaparate end of 'Tangent' on POLAND) 3:55 Mojave End Title (WAVELENGTH soundtrack) 4:11 Love on a Real Train (RISKY BUSINESS sndtrck; rare version) 2:15 Love on a Real Train (RISKY BUSINESS sndtrck; common version) 3:58 1984 Charley the Kid (FIRESTARTER soundtrack) 3:51 Love Theme (THE PARK IS MINE soundtrack) 3:32 Going West (FLASHPOINT soundtrack) 4:10 1985 Gaudi Park (LE PARC) 5:10 Desire (HEARTBREAKERS) 5:38 1986 Dolphin Dance (UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT) 5:05 1987 Canyon Carver (CANYON DREAMS soundtrack) 4:17 Bus Station (NEAR DARK soundtrack) 4:15 Mae's Transformation (NEAR DARK soundtrack) 4:20 Shy People [instrumental version] (SHY PEOPLE soundtrack) 5:04 1988 Mothers of Rain (OPTICAL RACE) 5:13 Sun Gate (OPTICAL RACE) 4:44 1989 Crystal Curfew (LILY ON THE BEACH) 4:57 People in the News (MIRACLE MILE soundtrack) 5:10 1990 Dolls in the Shadow (MELROSE) 5:10 1991 Correlation of Lies (THE MAN INSIDE soundtrack) 3:45 News and Morality (THE MAN INSIDE soundtrack) 4:45 1992 Touchwood (ROCKOON) 4:34 Rockoon--Special Radio Edit (CD-5 [from ROCKOON]) 4:16 1993 Hamlet (220 VOLT LIVE) 8:30 Love on a Real Train (Risky Business) (from THREE PHASE vid) 3:17 1994 Twilight Brigade (TURN OF THE TIDES) 9:45 Story of the Brave (CD-5 [from TURN OF THE TIDES]) 5:17 The Conspiracy (ZONING soundtrack) 5:54 1995 Catwalk (TYRANNY OF BEAUTY) 7:21 Rough Embrace (THE DREAM MIXES) 5:30 1996 Towards the Evening Star (GOBLINS' CLUB) 6:16 TOTAL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 205 minutes and 35 seconds Divide 205:35 by 3 (for three CDs), and you get 68:11+--roughly three 68-minute CDs. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6294 Re: Edgar Shouldn't Pick the Hits, *I* Should. ;) Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Wed 8/6/1997 3 KB 6353 Tangent MIDI - Download Site feldon@p... Thu 8/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 2:37 am Subject: 1975 TD Radio Spots LP! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Well, I've just obtained a neat Tangerine Dream item that after a quick look I didn't even see mentioned in 'Voices in the Dunes' or anywhere else. So take note: Here are the details: Various Artists - 'Rap Line' For Broadcast: July 16-31, 1975. This is a promo only LP for radio stations to mainly promote the US Army ROTC program. This is a US release by the U.S. Army ROTC (Narwood Prod. Inc, from New York) and is comprised of 24 (12 per side) 60 second 'shows' for each artist. It is basically a 60 second info-mercial about the band and then concluded with a few seconds of U.S. Army ROTC information. The cover has silver/black/white/red artwork which has a fancy Rap Line logo coming out of 'these red lips'. Each 'show' is presented by host Alison Steele and there is no music by the band. She talks about each band's latests efforts. In the case of TD, she mentions the last release of Phaedra and the newest release of Rubycon (and only specifically mentions Froese) and talks about the 6,000 hysterical fans at the Reims Cathedral concert in France and upcoming cathedral concerts in the UK. She also mentions the upcoming first US TD tour which will 'probably not be played in cathedrals here'. All this '..something electronic music..' was presented in a hasty fashion within 60 seconds. And to conclude, each track on this LP is 'self-ending', that is, you play any track on the LP and it won't go on to the next track. Other artists on this radio promo spots LP: Side 1: Elp/Banco, Mick Jagger, Bee Gees, Blackfoot, McCartney, Allmans, Tangerine Dream, Fandango, Valdy, Steve Hillage, Pablo Cruise, Procol Harum Side 2: Jiva, Aztec Two-Step, Band Contest, Rod Stewart, Greezy Wheels, Slade, Kindness Day, Zappa, CSN&Y, John Denver, Jerry LaCroix, Sinatra No artists are mentioned on the cover, just on the white LP label. I bought the LP for 'Greezy Wheels' spot and got lucky that I found TD. Just kidding!!! Quite a potpourri of artists, eh? Vic P.S. I'll trade this very rare item for the right offer. Contact me off list if interested. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 5:51 am Subject: Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-08-04 12:22:39 EDT << BTW, on the All-Music Guide on the web, they have sub-categories of Rock. Guess how many there are? 108!!!!! How many could you come up with, without cheating? >> Uhh, lessee, there's - - - - 1) Post-Modern-European-Glitter-Punk Then, hmmMmm, yep - - - - 2) Early-Transitional-North-Eastern-European-Kraut-Rock ...and don't forget - - - - 3) North-West-Coast-American-Jazz-Fusion-Synthesis Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6292 Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Wed 8/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 6:22 am Subject: Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Sometime in '69: > > ? - Magic Cave Club, Frankfurt, Germany (several dates). It is here > that Froese meets Klaus Schulze. Drummer Sven Ake Johanson had left due > to other commitments, and Froese asked Schulze to fill in on drums. > > March: Band breaks up. > > September: Froese teams up with Klaus Schulze and Conrad 'Conny' > Schnitzler. TD as we know it is born. Okay, Scott. If you can answer these, I'll buy your book. Between March of 69 when Edgar, Kurt, Sven, and Volker broke up and September of 69 when Klaus joined Edgar, TD existed for a four month period with Edgar and two guys described only as 'a Liverpool drummer named Paul' and 'a Dutch bass player.' Who were these two people, what were the four months that they were part of TD, and what TV show did they do music for? These are not trick questions. I don't know the answers. -- Mark If anyone else knows, please contact me off-list. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 6:56 am Subject: Complaining here is useless ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ain't it the truth! -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 8:55 am Subject: Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > >In a message dated 97-08-04 12:22:39 EDT > ><< BTW, on the All-Music Guide on the web, they have sub-categories of Rock. >Guess > how many there are? > > 108!!!!! > > How many could you come up with, without cheating? > >> > > Uhh, lessee, there's - - - - >1) Post-Modern-European-Glitter-Punk > Then, hmmMmm, yep - - - - >2) Early-Transitional-North-Eastern-European-Kraut-Rock > ...and don't forget - - - - >3) North-West-Coast-American-Jazz-Fusion-Synthesis > >Phil Naunton Okay, 111 and still rising! NP : Atem ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 9:05 am Subject: Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Sounds like you've done a lot of work on that book, Scott. And since you know this list well, you know we'll let you know if there are any problems with it! 8-)) Mind you, they won't come from me. Having done all that research, you're way ahead of me and my knowledge. I have to resort to reading what other people write (like on the web-page, or perhaps, later, your book) to get my info. If you've already covered those, then I won't have anything new to bring to the party (yeuch, I hate that expression). NP : Atem ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 9:09 am Subject: Re: Edgar Shouldn't Pick the Hits, *I* Should. ;) ;) ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Okay, Steve, no-one else is picking up this thread, and I don't want it to seem like a personal thing, so I'll keep this very short. I can appreciate what you're saying, but you hit the nail on the head when you said 'short, catchy, commercial tunes which stop short of being cloying.' This, to me, is a subjective statement. However, this would not make the 3CD set an unattractive proposition. Just no better or worse than any other collection put together by the band, record labels or other fans. NP : Atem ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 11:28 am Subject: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton Hi folks, Coming into work today with Mr Cordrey, we were listening to a b**t of the latest tour. Many of the 'classics' were playing and I was happily tapping my feet and playing 'kneetop synth' with my fingers. Then a nasty thought struck me (What IS it about your car, Craig ?) - When was the last time TD came up with a /really good tune/ ? You know the kind - one that you hear first thing in the morning and it echoes round your head all day. Here's a list of personal faves :- Ricochet pt 2 Monolight Bent Cold Sidewalk Rising Runner Cloudburst Flight Force Majeure (many passages) Beach Theme Tangram set 1 (pretty well all of it) Choronzon White Eagle Logos (you know the bits I mean) Dominion No Man's Land Cinnamon Road Warsaw in the Sun Rare Bird Streethawk Treasure of Innocence It seems to me that the 'spark' has gone out of their tunewriting. Instead of rock or even pop melodies, they've gone to a wishy-washy formulaic AOR approach. Does anyone agree with me, of have they actually produced any great foot-tappers recently ? Hoping to be proved wrong, Grunt Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6297 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? Plumer, Scott Wed 8/6/1997 2 KB 6305 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? TangerineC@a... Wed 8/6/1997 3 KB 6306 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? TangerineC@a... Wed 8/6/1997 2 KB 6309 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? Plumer, Scott Thu 8/7/1997 2 KB 6310 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? Greg Heil Wed 8/6/1997 3 KB 6322 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 8/7/1997 4 KB 6311 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? Gabe Yedid Thu 8/7/1997 5 KB 6317 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? PNaunton@a... Thu 8/7/1997 3 KB 6324 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? Grant Middleton Thu 8/7/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: What is Objectivity, Anyways? A Platonic Form? ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Edgar Shouldn't Pick the Hits, *I* Should. ;) ;) ;) >Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 09:09:55 +0000 (GMT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > >I can appreciate what you're saying, but you hit the nail on the head >when you said 'short, catchy, commercial tunes which stop short of >being cloying.' This, to me, is a subjective statement. [. . .] Yeah, so? I was talking about being objective in relativistic terms, which is really the only way it can be done, since objectivity in its strictest sense is an impossibility. All I meant is, have all the finger snappers and knee-slappers, but not the beer commercials and the Wilson Phillips/Spice Girls-type kitch. >[. . . ] However, this would not make the 3CD set an unattractive >proposition. Just no better or worse than any other collection put >together by the band, record labels or other fans. I don't know if there's a nice way to say this: saying that any one thing can't be better than any other thing is such a cop-out that all it does is effectively end a conversation by rendering the subject moot. Sorry, but quality is defined by good and bad. As far as I'm concerned, there are good TD samplers and bad ones. If a few people find what I consider to be the worst ones the best, more power to 'em. This reminds me of the death penalty question. Some wit always says, 'Who's got the right to chose?' Last time I checked, there are elected officials called judges. There are individuals who, by virtue of education, credentials, and position, are empowered to make decisions that effect quantities of people. Decisions, in turn, are subjective. So, yes, *my* collection would be better. Why? If for no other reason, it would be the *only* collection to represent nearly *all* of TD's career because it would be able to draw on the entire period from 1967 to 1997. Also, if an outside party (i.e. not Virgin, nor Relativity, nor Caroline, nor Private Music, nor Miramar, nor Sequel, etc.) put the collection together, the element of nepotism (in a manner of speaking) would be gone, and the label wouldn't merely be pushing its own product line. In this regard, Silva Screen's DREAM MUSIC 2 is to be applauded. -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 3:50 pm Subject: RE: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Craig ?) - When was the last time TD came up with a /really >good tune/ ? You know the kind - one that you hear first >thing in the morning and it echoes round your head all day. Tocuhwood always touched me. . . Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 4:49 pm Subject: Looking for Jerry Stamatopoulos ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton Sorry for the (ab)use of bandwidth, but I was wondering if any list members have been in touch with Jerry Stamatopoulos (owner of the Unofficial Klaus Schulze page) recently ? If so, could you send me his current e-mail address, please ? Normal service will be resumed ASAP. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 4:00 pm Subject: RE: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Between March of 69 when Edgar, Kurt, Sven, and Volker broke up and >September of 69 when Klaus joined Edgar, TD existed for a four month >period with Edgar and two guys described only as 'a Liverpool drummer >named Paul' and 'a Dutch bass player.' Who were these two people, what >were the four months that they were part of TD, and what TV show did >they do music for? That would be Paul Wheeler and Steve Leuwen. According to my information, TD was _not_ a band during that period. They may have been together and played in private, but I show no activity between March and Sept. 69. The TV show was 'Geradeaus bis zum Morgen' but didn't premiere until '72. Band members at the time were Froese, Franke & Baumann. The pre-1970 stuff is pretty murky, especially trying to put any of it in exact order. Of the pre-EM lineup, only Sven seems to feature heavily in their history. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 5:06 pm Subject: shreeve introduction ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers Someone asked recently about self-made samplers/compilations that others had made. I've been trying to think of something TD but I can't narrow it down! (too much good stuff to choose from)... Anyway, since summer traffic is light I don't might posting this slightly tangential subject. I've put together a c90 compiliation of my favorite Mark Shreeve stuff, mainly for those on the list who haven't yet heard anything besides bi-polar commentary ('love it' v 'hate it'). I happen to like Shreeve's music a bunch and think many others might like it too -- if given the chance to hear without a big investment. So here's what I came up with, it's a mix of what I see to be his three styles of e-music: rock-oriented, deep space, and mellow space: track title (CD title) Side A Assassin (Assassin) Wardance (Collide) Black (Nocturne) The Stand (Legion) Aurora (Nocturne) Nocturne (Nocturne) Side B Darkness Comes (Crash Head) Redshift [excerpt] (Redshift) Meateater (Nocturne) Dynamo Eternal [excerpt] (Nocturne) Dead Zone [excerpt] (Crash Head) It (Collide / Crash Head) Crash Head (Collide / Crash Head) If anyone out there 'net land is interested in sampling a bit of Shreeve, I'd be happy to turn you on. Either trade me a c90 of some music you like or simply send me a blank c90 cassette in a padded mailer (keep the case) along with your address and enough stamps to mail it back to you (this is a strictly no-profit deal). E-mail me off-list with questions or for more details. lars (with thanks to Ash Prema for turning me on to Shreeve) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 5:42 pm Subject: TD & BtH, Take Two ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sturminatr@a... >Really-From: Craig Cordrey >Does this signify a movement to close the rift between BtH and TD? Would TD >have to okay this, or is this something purely between Voiceprint and Horizon? This deal is strictly between Voiceprint and BtH. I'd like to think that Edgar might be pleased that these albums are getting a somewhat wider scope of release in the U.S., but the fact that we're the ones doing the selling may not endear us any further. Of course, this is strictly a guess on my part, and not necessarily based in any sort of reality. But TD did not have to approve the deal. Personally, I think it's a good deal. People in the U.S. get the CDs cheaper (one of the reasons I hadn't picked up Oasis was the fact that the prices were generally over $20), TD sells a few more albums, and we make a little money so we can, if nothing else, offer stuff (like Zoo of Tranquility) of this nature again. In my opinion, the first reason should really take precedent over the other two, but again, that's just me. >Does this give you any confidence on BtH's interface with Edgar in the future, >Brian? I would love to believe that our interface with Edgar will improve in the future, but that should go without saying. The guy is still one of my musical heroes, despite all this brouhaha of recent years. Who can tell? I, for one, will remain optimistic. That's enough politics for now. I'll be away on vacation for the next few days, so if you've sent me an EMail and I haven't responded, please be patient. I will be replying to everyone eventually. Drooling over the prospect of having Oasis in my grubby hands, B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Is Beyond the Horizon a UK or a US Outfit? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman I asked this before and got no answer, so I'm doing so again: Is BEYOND THE HORIZON a UK outfit or a US outfit? -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6307 Re: Is Beyond the Horizon a UK or a US Outfit? TWeibre361@a... Wed 8/6/1997 2 KB 6319 Re: Is Beyond the Horizon a UK or a US Outfit? TangerineC@a... Thu 8/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 6:13 pm Subject: Re: Midi files on website (at last!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes Philip Meyer wrote: > > I have finally provided the four midi files on my (currently in = > construction) > web site. This is only makeshift for you bunch to get access to the = > files. > I'll be extending my pages, beautifying it, etc. Any ideas/Tangerine = > Dream > links welcome! > > =46ire up your web browser and point it to: = > http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk > Thanks Philip. I've been there yesterday and enjoyed the new midi files, but my favorite is still Poland. Now, tadream members let's add more midi files to Philip Meyer's page. Unfortunately I don't play any musical instrument, so the best I can do is a cover of Electronic Meditation (just kidding). But there are people with musical talent on this list. It's a shame that our favourite band has only 4 midi files. Well, I might suggest a fifth. Morgan Marks, do you still have your Logos88.mid you were working on earlier this year? I think the midi was good enough when you sent it to us last February. Or perhaps you have a new version? Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6315 Re: Midi files on website (at last!) feldon@p... Thu 8/7/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: A Plug for Scott's Book from Someone Other Than Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: RE: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:00:57 -0400 >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >[...] Who were these two people, what were the four months that >they were part of TD, and what TV show did they do music for? > > That would be Paul Wheeler and Steve Leuwen. According to my >information, TD was _not_ a band during that period. They may have been >together and played in private, but I show no activity between March and >Sept. 69. The TV show was 'Geradeaus bis zum Morgen' but didn't premiere >until '72. Band members at the time were Froese, Franke & Baumann. [...] Good Christ! I ordered a copy of Scott's book to be a completist, if nothing else, since I already have THE DREAM LIVES ON and VOICES IN THE DUNES, and have DIGITAL GOTHIC on the way, but after taking a squint at the quote above, I'm really glad I did if it's got information like *that* in it!!! It hasn't arrived, yet, though, so I've got to ask, what is the actual name of the book, Scott? I don't believe you've ever said. You didn't actually name it 'My Book,' did you? ;) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6308 Re: A Plug for Scott's Book from Someone Other Th Plumer, Scott Thu 8/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 6:30 pm Subject: Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-08-06 06:33:13 EDT, you write: << It seems to me that the 'spark' has gone out of their tunewriting. Instead of rock or even pop melodies, they've gone to a wishy-washy formulaic AOR approach. Does anyone agree with me, of have they actually produced any great foot-tappers recently ? Hoping to be proved wrong, Grunt >> Unfortunatly I cant prove you wrong. Notice that all the tracks you've mentioned that were foot tappers, had Chris Franke in the group? Franke was the foot tapping king of TD. Case closed. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 6:26 pm Subject: Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-08-06 06:33:13 EDT, you write: << t seems to me that the 'spark' has gone out of their tunewriting. Instead of rock or even pop melodies, they've gone to a wishy-washy formulaic AOR approach. Does anyone agree with me, of have they actually produced any great foot-tappers recently ? Hoping to be proved wrong, Grunt >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 6:42 pm Subject: Re: Is Beyond the Horizon a UK or a US Outfit? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... they are in the us....based in illinois....tom w From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 8:00 pm Subject: RE: A Plug for Scott's Book from Someone Other Than Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > It hasn't arrived, yet, though, so I've got to ask, what is the >actual name of the book, Scott? I don't believe you've ever said. You >didn't actually name it 'My Book,' did you? ;) It hasn't arrived because I haven't bound them yet! Tomorrow, I promise. :-) I guess I never did mention the title. . . The title is: _Mysterious Semblance: A Tangerine Dream Chronology._ Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 8:03 pm Subject: RE: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Unfortunatly I cant prove you wrong. Notice that all the tracks you've >mentioned that were foot tappers, had Chris Franke in the group? Franke was >the foot tapping king of TD. Case closed. 'Too Hot for My Chinchilla' not a foot-tapper? 'Catwalk'? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 8:21 pm Subject: Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > In a message dated 97-08-06 06:33:13 EDT, you write: > > << t seems to me that the 'spark' has gone out of their > tunewriting. Instead of rock or even pop melodies, they've > gone to a wishy-washy formulaic AOR approach. Does > anyone agree with me, of have they actually produced > any great foot-tappers recently ? > > Hoping to be proved wrong, > > Grunt > >> Unfortunately, all the current stuff.. from say 86/87 on up has become too complex and shifting to be able to hold into memory.. And when I try to get a song (lets say.. off Goblin's Club) to play in my head, all I can remember is the vocals. The melodies have become drawn out and always seem to change... whereas, if I want to listen to sections of Logos, I can remember it throughout the day pretty much--this especially works with Tangram and Force Majeure. In my opinion, I believe it's how well the song structure flows together and how all the parts fit together to make a single 'musical carpet' (Transitions, rhythm, timing) Greg... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6322 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 8/7/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 9:14 pm Subject: Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Grant Middleton > > > Hi folks, > > Coming into work today with Mr Cordrey, we were listening to > a b**t of the latest tour. Many of the 'classics' were > playing and I was happily tapping my feet and playing > 'kneetop synth' with my fingers. > > Then a nasty thought struck me (What IS it about your car, > Craig ?) - When was the last time TD came up with a /really > good tune/ ? You know the kind - one that you hear first > thing in the morning and it echoes round your head all day. > > Here's a list of personal faves :- > > Ricochet pt 2 > Monolight > Bent Cold Sidewalk > Rising Runner > Cloudburst Flight > Force Majeure (many passages) > Beach Theme > Tangram set 1 (pretty well all of it) > Choronzon > White Eagle > Logos (you know the bits I mean) > Dominion > No Man's Land > Cinnamon Road > Warsaw in the Sun > Rare Bird > Streethawk > Treasure of Innocence <- ?????? Gotta question that last one there, Grant. > It seems to me that the 'spark' has gone out of their > tunewriting. Instead of rock or even pop melodies, they've > gone to a wishy-washy formulaic AOR approach. Does > anyone agree with me, of have they actually produced > any great foot-tappers recently ? > Hoping to be proved wrong, *Proved* wrong on something so ephemeral as taste? Well, here's what I dig from modern great foot-tappers (although some might find my sense of rhythm highly questionable): Optical Race: Marakesh, The Midnight Trail Lily: Desert Drive Melrose: Melrose, Dolls In The Shadow, Rolling Down Cahuenga, Art of Vision Rockoon: Touchwood, Graffiti Street, Rockoon 220 Volt: Two Bunch Palms, 220 Volt, Hamlet Turn of The Tides: Twilight Brigade, Jungle Journey Tyranny of Beauty: Catwalk, Little Blonde, Stratosfear '95, Bride In Cold Tears Dream Mixes: Just about any track except 'Iowa'. 'Touchwood' (Poison Byte Mix) and 'Change of the Gods' reign supreme in this collection though. Goblins Club: not many foot-tappers here besides 'Towards The Evening Star'... Zoning: Missing Link Oasis: Flashflood, Summer Storm and let's not forget 'Das maedchen auf Der Treppe '97' and 'Order of the Ginger G(u)ild'!! > > Grunt > Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 9:29 pm Subject: Re: No Melody in Eno's Ambient Music(?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Bradley Love' Eno's music isn't necessarily meant to be melodic. He has some wonderful sounds and 'atmospheres' to let your mind slide into. Try the following CD: 'Apollo', it is a soundtrack from the Apollo space missions. I think it is one of his best works. You won't be disappointed! Bradley Love ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: No Melody in Eno's Ambient Music(?) > Date: Monday, August 04, 1997 13:10 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > >Subject: Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > >Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:33:12 +0200 > >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > >As for Brian Eno. I heared 2 of his CDs, I don't know which it was > >-something with a russian word in it. But I can't listen to it. I think > >it's non-music. But this is probably his idea. > > It is, literally, insofar as he coined the term 'ambient music' in > the first place. ;) The album is THE SHUTOV ASSEMBLY, which -- believe > it or not -- is about as melodious, compact, and almost-commerical as > his ambient stuff has ever gotten. Also, this album comes very close to > the sound of early Nightcrawlers cassettes, in many ways -- and the > Nightcrawlers intend to sound like Klaus Schulze and Tangerine Dream > much more than they do Eno. > > >I can get carried away with 'floating/experimental' music, but I must > >hear a melody. (think Phaedra, first track superb!) > > It's there, it's just not as obvious as, say, the Spice Girls' > cover of that Janice Joplin tune that is assaulting radio listeners > everywhere as we speak. Example: I once taped Eno's ON LAND at high > speed, and there -- at double speed -- the melodies stood out. They > are just languid and loose, not entirely abstract. Think of how you > probably reacted to RUBYCON, AQUA, and EPISILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE the > first time you heard them. > > -- Steven Feldman and > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 10:50 pm Subject: Re: No Melody in Eno's Ambient Music(?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: 'Bradley Love' >Eno's music isn't necessarily meant to be melodic. He has some wonderful >sounds and 'atmospheres' to let your mind slide into. Try the following >CD: 'Apollo', it is a soundtrack from the Apollo space missions. I think >it is one of his best works. You won't be disappointed! I totally agree that 'Apollo' is his best! Now back to TD.. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 10:54 pm Subject: Correction on: 1975 TD Radio Spots LP! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Oops, I'd like to correct myself. [...]Well, I've just obtained a neat Tangerine Dream item that after a quick look I didn't even see mentioned in 'Voices in the Dunes' or anywhere else. Yes, it was a quick look, but if you look more carefully in 'Voices in the Dunes' you will find this item mentioned on page 453. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6477 Re: Correction on: 1975 TD Radio Spots LP! FredYargui@a... Mon 8/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 6, 1997 11:16 pm Subject: Re: Midi files on website (at last!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 07:13 PM 8/6/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: Antonio Nunes > >Philip Meyer wrote: >> >> I have finally provided the four midi files on my (currently in = >> construction) >> web site. >> Fire up your web browser and point it to: = >> http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk > >Thanks Philip. I've been there yesterday and enjoyed the new midi files, >but my favorite is still Poland. > >Now, tadream members let's add more midi files to Philip Meyer's page. >Unfortunately I don't play any musical instrument, so the best I can do >is a cover of Electronic Meditation (just kidding). But there are people >with musical talent on this list. It's a shame that our favourite band >has only 4 midi files. > >Well, I might suggest a fifth. Morgan Marks, do you still have your >Logos88.mid you were working on earlier this year? I think the midi was >good enough when you sent it to us last February. Or perhaps you have a >new version? Actually, this has sparked my interest in finishing the Logos MIDI project. This would probably consist of Logos-Blue, but perhaps even the segment which preceeds it...Red, Velvet, I forget... Morgan feldon@p... P.S. It should be noted that the 'poland.mid' file on the website is Rarebird. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 11:27 pm Subject: Secret of TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Ok all. I've figured it out. The secret of TD is.......the drums! Think.......KS...drums......CF...drums...... So.. isn't most of the TD lines we all blather about....isn't it really the beat? Isn't the *one* thing that draws us up to this music the 'melodic' tempo of the *beat* of the music? Isn't the one thing that gets you in the gut....BOOM...isn't that, that melodious sequencer line that *is* the drums? The testosterone of sequencers? The NADS of TD?? That is the basis for all TD. The Beat. Say-- no-- more! 'We don't need no stinkin' drums!' [Just a late night rant.....please pay him no mind......he's been a bit ill lately....] Cheers, Mike members.iquest.net/~mfox/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6318 Re: Secret of TD feldon@p... Thu 8/7/1997 3 KB 6325 Re: Secret of TD Greg Heil Thu 8/7/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 4:51 am Subject: Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-08-06 06:33:13 EDT, you write: << It seems to me that the 'spark' has gone out of their tunewriting. Instead of rock or even pop melodies, they've gone to a wishy-washy formulaic AOR approach. Does anyone agree with me, of have they actually produced any great foot-tappers recently ? Hoping to be proved wrong, Grunt >> WrOnG!! The first track from 'Goblins' Club' is on _my_ all time best of TD cassette tape. 'Towards The Evening Star' is as good a composition as anything else they have done in a long time. Just my opinion. Of course I'm absolutely right, you know. No bout a doubt it. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 4:45 am Subject: Re: Secret of TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:27 PM 8/7/97, you wrote: >Really-From: Michael Fox > > >Ok all. I've figured it out. The secret of TD is.......the drums! >Think.......KS...drums......CF...drums...... More important than just drums (JF performs drums on every track), a simple drumbeat, aka a limited drum machine or drum loops. Logos, Poland, the 1986 LeParc/Underwater Sunlight/Optical Race tour*, Force Majeure. Morgan * in case that caught you off guard, several of the 1986 shows had surprising percussion sequences, specifically the Harrogate show. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 6:16 am Subject: Re: Is Beyond the Horizon a UK or a US Outfit? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... How do I subscribe to BTH? Thanks. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 7:14 am Subject: RE: Midi files on website (at last!) Hi guys, I have a sketchy version of Cloudburst Flight and White Eagle that I've thrown together. With your idea in mind, I will complete these and post them up ASAP. Any others people feel they'd like to here ? Cheers all, Craig Rich Operations Manager Wireless Data Services Ltd. -----Original Message----- From: tadream@cs.uwp.edu [SMTP:tadream@cs.uwp.edu] Sent: 07 August 1997 00:17 To: tadream@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Midi files on website (at last!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@phoenix.net At 07:13 PM 8/6/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: Antonio Nunes > >Philip Meyer wrote: >> >> I have finally provided the four midi files on my (currently in = >> construction) >> web site. >> Fire up your web browser and point it to: = >> http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk > >Thanks Philip. I've been there yesterday and enjoyed the new midi files, >but my favorite is still Poland. > >Now, tadream members let's add more midi files to Philip Meyer's page. >Unfortunately I don't play any musical instrument, so the best I can do >is a cover of Electronic Meditation (just kidding). But there are people >with musical talent on this list. It's a shame that our favourite band >has only 4 midi files. > >Well, I might suggest a fifth. Morgan Marks, do you still have your >Logos88.mid you were working on earlier this year? I think the midi was >good enough when you sent it to us last February. Or perhaps you have a >new version? Actually, this has sparked my interest in finishing the Logos MIDI project. This would probably consist of Logos-Blue, but perhaps even the segment which preceeds it...Red, Velvet, I forget... Morgan feldon@phoenix.net P.S. It should be noted that the 'poland.mid' file on the website is Rarebird. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6321 Change your name Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 8/7/1997 3 KB 6330 Re: Midi files on website (at last!) feldon@p... Thu 8/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 9:24 am Subject: Change your name ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Hi guys, [message content snipped] >Cheers all, > >Craig Rich Sorry, this list already has its full quota of Craigs, with myself and Mr. Shipley. You'll have to change you name by deed-poll to something less common (like Phil?). Why is there no-one called Fred of Chip on the list? NP : Oasis - I still hate, hate, loathe, detest Cedar Breaks!!! ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 9:31 am Subject: Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > >Unfortunately, all the current stuff.. from say 86/87 on up has become too >complex and shifting to be able to hold into memory.. And when I try to get >a song (lets say.. off Goblin's Club) to play in my head, all I can >remember is the vocals. A very astute observation, Mr. Heil. I think you've hit the nail on the head. TD undoubtedly still produce great foot-tappers (in fact, it's almost all they do nowadays), but I can hardly remember the start of a tune in Goblin's Club or Oasis by the time the track finishes - it's changed so many times. For all of their reputation in the 70s and early 80s of producing layers of sound which 'bombarded' the senses, there was always some form of 'leading' tune or melody which could be recalled. Nowadays it seems that there is even more going on in their tracks, the senses are overwhelmed with information. All together this makes for interesting and enjoyable listening still, IMO, but it does make the identification and retention of the main whistleable tune more difficult. NP : Oasis ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 9:33 am Subject: Looking for Michal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Michal from Warsaw, If you're there, please contact me. Sorry, ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 9:41 am Subject: Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton >> Treasure of Innocence <- ?????? > > Gotta question that last one there, Grant. Gotta question a personal opinion, Gabe ? I reckon I know more about my taste than you. You must admit though, even if you don't LIKE it, that the tune is memorable and hummable. > *Proved* wrong on something so ephemeral as taste? OK, OK. Save it for alt.talk.crap.about.philosophy. How about *hoping to be persuaded* that I am wrong ? > Well, here's what I dig from modern great foot-tappers (although some > might find my sense of rhythm highly questionable): OK, I retract the foot-tapper comment. You must admit that the main tunes in your list are fairly pants (and yes Scott, I certainly WOULD call 'Catwalk' a crap tune, or even a non-tune, foot-motivational abilities notwithstanding). While many recent tunes have good percussion, they seem to me to be very vague in melodic terms. The Franke years produced many, many focussed melodic moments, whilst latterly the 'lens of melody' has had copious amounts of Vaseline smeared over it. OK, here's the deal. Just name me one great melody of recent years. (Post '93, say). I'm sorry, but I really can't accept 'Towards the Evening Star' as being in the same league as 'Beach Theme'. Grant PS If drums are the 'nads of TD then they were castrated when Chris left. No wonder all the vocal lines are that much higher ! Jeepers, I'm on a rant today ! Bear with me, folks. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 9:56 am Subject: Re: Secret of TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Secret of TD > Really-From: Michael Fox > > > Ok all. I've figured it out. The secret of TD is.......the drums! > Think.......KS...drums......CF...drums...... > So.. isn't most of the TD lines we all blather about....isn't it really > the beat? Isn't the *one* thing that draws us up to this music the > 'melodic' tempo of the *beat* of the music? Isn't the one thing that gets > you in the gut....BOOM...isn't that, that melodious sequencer line that > *is* the drums? The testosterone of sequencers? The NADS of TD?? That is > the basis for all TD. The Beat. Say-- no-- more! 'We don't need no stinkin' > drums!' (beware opinions made not often marked) Purely from the mind of myself.. not speaking for anyone else! Actually, I don't mean to totally disagree, but I believe in many cases, the simplicity of the drum sequences in many albums like Logos or Tangram work amazingly well. I cannot stress how well.. a 'slow tempo T-Dream' elicits the emotions of ..how should I say.. suffering... depression.. terror?... a general feeling of.. 'here I am.. listen to what I am telling you.. experience this time slowly.. let it rest you.. calm you.. let it flow together.. let the notes time perfectly with the drums.. no matter what happens.. some things always stay the same.. the sequencers fall into place.. slowly they complex the rhythm, complement the progressing melody... dazed.. mesmerized.. fall into total ambientness.. then progress up again.. the drum sequence.. still simple.. ups on tempo.. still times with the melody.. as the melody quickens.. sequencers build upon each other.. the tempo is quickly set by the sequencers.. the drums no longer crucial, fade into the background.. So what am I saying? well maybe that playing drum kit with electronic drums is the way to go. Listen to how repeatative the drums sequences are.. heck.. listening to Logos now.. since the first 'Wake-up!' to Logos Blue, the drums have not changed.. I know they do at the end of Logos Blue.. So one idea could be to bring back the old way of doing things.. it seems like putting rock rhythms on every song created isn't exactly the key... I miss the sinister attitude that slow growing tempo created.. Giving us the climax from the start allows no progression, no story line, no excitement. Sorry, even though I'm only 18, I am certain the older TD is a better example of everything music can be, and should be. And if anyone asks me.. improvisation is the key.. Salvador Dali was a surrealist--an artist who created straght from the mind.. his artist utensils as expressive as the words he could speak.. straght from the mind.. .. a sculptur would do this with his/her hands.. as I'm sure Edgar might have done.. Emotional expression.. from the mind.. through the synthesizer.. his tool of expression.. that was improvisation.. and that is (what I believe) surrealism.. Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 11:48 am Subject: Here we go, here we go ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Got my tickets for the Glasgow show on Saturday 1st November yesterday. So, I repeat my call for any people who will be attending this show to get in contact if you want to have a pre-show get-together somewhere. Martin, Dave, Armin, you still on for the Glasgow show? Any others want to join us? NP : Tace - Roedelius ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 12:52 pm Subject: Top-down tunes? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Here's a question for you all that let our hackles back down: My brother-in-law, who's in the hospital at the moment, allowed me the use of his Pontiac Sunbird convertible while he's laid up, since my car recently died. I'd like to make a TD tune tape for top-down cruising. What tunes should I pick? Scott E. Plumer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6329 Re: Top-down tunes? Grant Middleton Thu 8/7/1997 3 KB 6336 Re: Top-down tunes? Marcel Engels Fri 8/8/1997 3 KB 6375 Coldwater Canyon (was Re: Top-down tunes?) Grant Middleton Fri 8/8/1997 3 KB 6346 Re: Top-down tunes? Marcel Engels Fri 8/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 12:49 pm Subject: RE: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >OK, I retract the foot-tapper comment. You must admit >that the main tunes in your list are fairly pants (and >yes Scott, I certainly WOULD call 'Catwalk' a crap tune, >or even a non-tune, foot-motivational abilities >notwithstanding). 'Pants?' I always thought they were more trousers, myself. :-) The more I read this thread, the more it seems to be turning into a new vs. old discussion, which is too-well-trodden territory. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6332 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? Grant Middleton Thu 8/7/1997 3 KB 6335 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? Anthony G. Francis, Jr. Thu 8/7/1997 4 KB 6340 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? Paul Nagle Fri 8/8/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 2:41 pm Subject: Re: Top-down tunes? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > I'd like to make a TD tune tape for top-down cruising. > What tunes should I pick? OK, let's see... Beach Theme Dr. Destructo Force Majeure Logos - the two Schmoelling wailing synth sections, whatever 'colour' they happen to be. Cloudburst Flight Love on a Real Train Monolight (second half) 3rd track of Encore (can never remember its name) Oriental Haze Two Bunch Palms Choronzon Warsaw in the Sun And a shot from left field in the form of... Bent Cold Sidewalk Remember to keep your eye on the speedo and always wear some SPF 45 cream - with a cool tape like this you could be forgiven for riding around all day ! Enjoy ! Grant From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 1:28 pm Subject: RE: Midi files on website (at last!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 08:14 AM 8/7/97 +0100, you wrote: > Hi guys, > >I have a sketchy version of Cloudburst Flight and White Eagle that I've >thrown together. With your idea in mind, I will complete these and post >them up ASAP. This is great. Although I don't know how you managed to figure out the sequencing on White Eagle. You must've digitized it and slowed it down to figure out each note! Morgan P.S. I am hard at work on a MIDI of the first 3 minutes of Tangent (first played on the Logos 1982 tour and later included in a 22 minute track on the Poland 2CD). From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 7:09 am Subject: Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > Between March of 69 when Edgar, Kurt, Sven, and Volker broke up > > and September of 69 when Klaus joined Edgar, TD existed for a four > > month period with Edgar and two guys described only as 'a Liverpool > > drummer named Paul' and 'a Dutch bass player.' Who were these two > > people, what were the four months that they were part of TD, and > > what TV show did they do music for? > > That would be Paul Wheeler and Steve Leuwen. According to my > information, TD was _not_ a band during that period. They may have > been together and played in private, but I show no activity between > March and Sept. 69. The TV show was 'Geradeaus bis zum Morgen' but > didn't premiere until '72. Band members at the time were Froese, > Franke & Baumann. The pre-1970 stuff is pretty murky, especially > trying to put any of it in exact order. Of the pre-EM lineup, only > Sven seems to feature heavily in their history. To confirm, are you saying that 'Geradeaus bis zum Morgen' was done by the lineup EF/SL/PW in 1969 but wasn't released until 1972 or are you saying that 'Geradeaus bis zum Morgen' wasn't performed until 1972 with the lineup EF/CF/PB? -- Mark (about to get the checkbook out) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 3:42 pm Subject: Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > The more I read this thread, the more it seems to be turning > into a new vs. old discussion, which is too-well-trodden territory. The old stuff is better, the new stuff is worse. End of story. I just keeping hoping that they get their fingers out and produce an album that I'd be proud to be seen buying. 'Hey, what's that weird lookin' album you're buyin' buddy ?' 'This is the new killer release from Tangerine Dream.' 'Didn't they split up around 1979 ?' 'No, they've been going all this time and they're back with their strongest album ever. Wanna hear it ?' Seems less likely with each passing year. Take a vacation, Edgar ! Grant Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6335 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? Anthony G. Francis, Jr. Thu 8/7/1997 4 KB 6340 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? Paul Nagle Fri 8/8/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 2:57 pm Subject: RE: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >To confirm, are you saying that 'Geradeaus bis zum Morgen' was done by >the lineup EF/SL/PW in 1969 but wasn't released until 1972 or are you >saying that 'Geradeaus bis zum Morgen' wasn't performed until 1972 with >the lineup EF/CF/PB? -- Mark (about to get the checkbook out) All I _know_ is that it premiered on German TV in '72, putting it in the early Baumann era. I have no idea when it was recorded, but I don't expect it sat around for three years. Since TV programs, at least in the US, are very commercial ventures (selling advertising during the program, etc.) it wouldn't do to have it sit around for three years. Right offhand I don't remember where I got that information. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6357 Geradeaus bis zum Morgen (was TD's Roots...) Dave Brewer Thu 8/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 5:12 pm Subject: Geradeaus bis zum Morgen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Geradeaus bis zum Morgen: What's that mean, anyway? Scott E. Plumer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6339 Re: Geradeaus bis zum Morgen TWeibre361@a... Thu 8/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 5:54 pm Subject: Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: centaur@c... (Anthony G. Francis, Jr.) > Really-From: Grant Middleton > > The more I read this thread, the more it seems to be turning > > into a new vs. old discussion, which is too-well-trodden territory. > > The old stuff is better, the new stuff is worse. End of story. A-hem. Old better than new? Cyclone > Goblin's Club? Atem > Canyon Dreams? Electronic Meditation > anything? I don't think so. Like everything else, TD have high spots and low spots --- both old and new, and some of their best melodies are new... > I just keeping hoping that they get their fingers out and > produce an album that I'd be proud to be seen buying. > > 'Hey, what's that weird lookin' album you're buyin' buddy ?' > 'This is the new killer release from Tangerine Dream.' > 'Didn't they split up around 1979 ?' > 'No, they've been going all this time and they're back with > their strongest album ever. Wanna hear it ?' Uh, replace 'strongest album ever' with 'best album in a decade' and you're quoting the exchange I had with someone when I bought the second version of _Goblin's Club_. > Seems less likely with each passing year. Take a vacation, > Edgar ! > > Grant Edgar: Don't listen to him. Keep working. You're on a roll and getting better... -Anthony -- Anthony G. Francis, Jr. | cen.taur \'sen-.to.(*)r\ n AI/Cognitive Science Group | [ME, fr. L Centaurus, fr. Gk Kentauros] College of Computing | 1: one of a race fabled to be half man Georgia Institute of Technology | and half horse and to dwell in the Atlanta, Georgia 30332-0280 | mountains of Thessaly. Phone: (404) 894-2590 | 2: nickname for this AI grad student Net: centaur@c... - http://www.cc.gatech.edu/ai/students/centaur/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 5:47 pm Subject: Re: Top-down tunes? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Grant Middleton > > > I'd like to make a TD tune tape for top-down cruising. > > What tunes should I pick? > > OK, let's see... > > Beach Theme > Dr. Destructo > Force Majeure > Logos - the two Schmoelling wailing synth sections, > whatever 'colour' they happen to be. > Cloudburst Flight > Love on a Real Train > Monolight (second half) > 3rd track of Encore (can never remember its name) ?????!?!? Coldwater Canyon. It's the pre-90s names, like the two ones below, which I can't (and probably will never) remember. > Oriental Haze > Two Bunch Palms > Choronzon > Warsaw in the Sun Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6375 Coldwater Canyon (was Re: Top-down tunes?) Grant Middleton Fri 8/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 5:59 pm Subject: Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Grant Middleton > > > > The more I read this thread, the more it seems to be turning > > into a new vs. old discussion, which is too-well-trodden territory. > > The old stuff is better, the new stuff is worse. End of story. > I just keeping hoping that they get their fingers out and > produce an album that I'd be proud to be seen buying. I hope you know what your saying. This list can't take this, Grant. But I agree completely with you! > 'Hey, what's that weird lookin' album you're buyin' buddy ?' > 'This is the new killer release from Tangerine Dream.' > 'Didn't they split up around 1979 ?' > 'No, they've been going all this time and they're back with > their strongest album ever. Wanna hear it ?' > > Seems less likely with each passing year. Take a vacation, > Edgar ! You know what I think. I'm probably wrong. Edgar is still with this group, but Jerome writes all the tunes. He is still with this group because of the image. (I hope I didn't produced a flame-war) I just can't imagine someone who wrote such fantastic tracks can now write such emotioneless music. While wine is getting better by the year - the music isn't getting any better. But I must say that I see the same with progressive music/symfo, best example is Genesis, the 70s stuff is great. Now we got all commercial stuff. I'm wondering what music we'll hear in 10/15 years time. If it goes further this way then I'm leaving for Mars. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 6:25 pm Subject: Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >> The old stuff is better, the new stuff is worse. End of story. >A-hem. Old better than new? >Cyclone > Goblin's Club? Atem > Canyon Dreams? >Electronic Meditation > anything? >I don't think so. >> Grant >-Anthony I do! Cyclone > Goblin's Club by a long shot Atem > Canyon Dreams by a long shot Electronic Meditation > Rockoon & Time for Heroes combined (heh heh) But what I'm really trying to say is that you can't compare them fairly. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6349 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? Anthony G. Francis, Jr. Fri 8/8/1997 4 KB 6355 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? feldon@p... Thu 8/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 6:59 pm Subject: Re: Geradeaus bis zum Morgen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-08-07 13:15:24 EDT, you write: << Geradeaus bis zum Morgen: What's that mean, anyway? >> straightahead till dawn or to the morning...or i guess could also be straightahead till the tomorrow? tom w np: in to the mix (hypnotic) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 2:00 am Subject: Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle On Thu, 07 Aug 1997 15:42:42 +0000 (GMT), tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >Seems less likely with each passing year. Take a vacation, >Edgar ! Sounds a little like an off-list conversation I've been having in which I suggested that all bands have a natural lifetime and TD, although in the past they've made some of my favourite albums, have gone on too long. This doesn't mean Edgar can't go off and do a 'Chris Franke' as a solo astist but the process of tagging on miscellaneous leggy babes, guitarists, drummers, family members etc. cannot add that vital creative spark that we all know and remember as TD. Let them rest in peace then we can really assess what impact they made to us rather than continue Muhammed Ali-style for 'one more fight'..... Oh and, sure, I'll be there when they tour, paying respect to their memory.....and if they prove me wrong and somehow come up with some magical new music, I'll be delighted and eat all the humble pie you like.... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ryan Smith I know you guys are probably sick of polls by now, but there's something I'm curious about. Every since I joined this mailing list (about a year or so ago) I've assumed that I'm one of the only really young people on it. I know we span a pretty diverse group of people, but in my mind I've always imagined the average TD fan to be about 40 or so. I'm not sure why, maybe it's because I've never met other teenagers that were into anything besides NIN or Marylin Manson (no offense to all the Marylin Manson fans here). Anyway, I thought it would be interesting to look at the age composition of the mailing list and see if the stereotype holds any water. I also thought it would be interesting to compare the age groups with favorite albums to see if different age groups lean more towards certain TD flavors. I suspect, for example, that more young people would be into Electronic Meditation and the earlier improvisational albums, while the old geezers, I mean , uh, more mature fans, would be into the 'New Age' (pardon the expression) style of more recent albums. Of course I could be completely wrong. Anyway, I thought it would be fun to do a poll to find out. With all the new interest in 'electronica' and Krautrock, there may be more young people on here than I think, not that it's that important, I'm just curious (and interested in meeting other TD fans in my relative age group, if there are any). Anyway, if there are no major objections, here's how I'd like to do it: reply to this email with your age and 3 favorite TD albums (they don't have to be in order of preference, just list 3). I'll compile all the information and in a week start listing the results. You can also list where you live too, although that won't be an official part of the poll. I'll start with mine: Age: 19 Favorite albums: Ricochet, Zeit, Electronic Meditation Location: Berkeley, CA Kaldari kaldari@c... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6343 Re: Age Poll Jens Peschke Fri 8/8/1997 2 KB 6344 Re: Age Poll Vincent Goudreault Fri 8/8/1997 3 KB 6345 Re: Age Poll feldon@p... Thu 8/7/1997 3 KB 6347 Re: Age Poll Plumer, Scott Fri 8/8/1997 2 KB 6350 Re: Age Poll Greg Heil Thu 8/7/1997 2 KB 6352 Re: Age Poll Gabe Yedid Fri 8/8/1997 2 KB 6479 Re: Age Poll Sean Montgomery Mon 8/11/1997 2 KB 6351 Re: Age Poll Steve Quinney Fri 8/8/1997 2 KB 6354 Re: Age Poll MPOORT@a... Fri 8/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 7:39 pm Subject: Re: Midi files on website (at last!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > This is great. Although I don't know how you managed to figure out the > sequencing on White Eagle. You must've digitized it and slowed it down to > figure out each note! > > Morgan If I remember right, the sequ. lines of white eagle are simple. We played it on piano/sax during schooltime as 'homework' :-) Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 7:45 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Age: 30 Favorite albums: Ricochet, Encore, Tangram Location: Ronnenberg, Germany Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 8:16 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Aug 7, 2:27pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Age Poll > Really-From: Ryan Smith > > (...) > towards certain TD flavors. I suspect, for example, that more young > people would be into Electronic Meditation and the earlier > improvisational albums, while the old geezers, I mean , uh, more mature > fans, would be into the 'New Age' (pardon the expression) style of more > recent albums. Of course I could be completely wrong. Anyway, I thought (...) Indeed, you are wrong, at least as far as I am concerned. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 (and born 40 years ago) first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet hailing from Montreal, Canada From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 8:09 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 02:27 PM 8/7/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Ryan Smith > > >I know you guys are probably sick of polls by now, but there's something >I'm curious about. Every since I joined this mailing list (about a year >or so ago) I've assumed that I'm one of the only really young people on >it. I know we span a pretty diverse group of people, but in my mind I've >always imagined the average TD fan to be about 40 or so. Well, I'm 21. My first experience with TD was the movie Miracle Mile. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 8:25 pm Subject: Re: Top-down tunes? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > > 3rd track of Encore (can never remember its name) > ?????!?!? Coldwater Canyon. It's the pre-90s names, like the two ones > below, > which I can't (and probably will never) remember. Oops, I meant post 90s. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 8:41 pm Subject: RE: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > Age: 30 > Favorite albums: Thief, Pergamon, Hyperborea > Location: Cleveland, OH > Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 8:37 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll(en) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Age: 24 Difficult to chose 3 albums, but here they are: Favorite albums: Encore, Force Majeure, Tangram (almost the same as Jens) Location: IJmuiden, The Netherlands Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 9:05 pm Subject: Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: centaur@c... (Anthony G. Francis, Jr.) > Really-From: Vic Rek > >> The old stuff is better, the new stuff is worse. End of story. > >> Grant > >Old better than new? [subjective album ratings deleted] > >I don't think so. > >-Anthony > I do! [more subjective album ratings deleted] > But what I'm really trying to say is that you can't compare them > fairly. > Vic EXACTLY! Old and new TD are *different* --- often too different to be compared. End of story. And for people who complain that TD's gone on too long and Edgar should quit --- he already did. Old TD is gone forever; no-one, not even TD, does music like that anymore (and I provocatively defy anyone to come up with a counterexample, so long as they include directions to a store that stocks it). The new TD, like the new Rush and 'second generation' Yes and 'second generation' Genesis, is a different band with some of the same members doing completely different music with a few 'roots' in the past --- doing different music and doing it well. -Anthony -- Anthony G. Francis, Jr. | cen.taur \'sen-.to.(*)r\ n AI/Cognitive Science Group | [ME, fr. L Centaurus, fr. Gk Kentauros] College of Computing | 1: one of a race fabled to be half man Georgia Institute of Technology | and half horse and to dwell in the Atlanta, Georgia 30332-0280 | mountains of Thessaly. Phone: (404) 894-2590 | 2: nickname for this AI grad student Net: centaur@c... - http://www.cc.gatech.edu/ai/students/centaur/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6355 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? feldon@p... Thu 8/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 9:07 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Age: 18 Favorite 3 Albums: 1. Logos 2. Tangram 3. Poland First Exposure: The Private Music of Tangerine Dream Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6352 Re: Age Poll Gabe Yedid Fri 8/8/1997 2 KB 6479 Re: Age Poll Sean Montgomery Mon 8/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 9:27 pm Subject: RE: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve Quinney Age : 30 Favorite albums: Logos, Poland & Exit Been a fan since '85 Located in Toronto, Canada From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 9:43 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Age: 21 > Favorite 3 Albums: > 1. Melrose > 2. Rubycon > 3. Dream Mixes > > First Exposure: 'Dr. Destructo' from _Thief_. > > NP: 'Maple Leaf Rag' and other piano pieces by Scott Joplin Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6479 Re: Age Poll Sean Montgomery Mon 8/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 9:37 pm Subject: Tangent MIDI - Download Site ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... A very early MIDI version of Tangent is now available for download. http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/ Morgan Marks feldon@p... P.S. I seem to have misplaced the Logos88.mid file I was working on, it is the early beginnings of Logos-Blue (1988 version). If anyone has this file, please e-mail it to me. Thanks. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 9:56 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: MPOORT@a... Age: 30 (just turned 30 last week, already feel old) Favorite albums: Rubycon, Green Desert, Zeit (but I've got almost all of them on CD or LP, even the 'New Age' stuff Location: Lawrence, KS From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 9:43 pm Subject: Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 05:05 PM 8/7/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: centaur@c... (Anthony G. Francis, Jr.) > >EXACTLY! Old and new TD are *different* --- often too different to be >compared. End of story. > >And for people who complain that TD's gone on too long and Edgar >should quit --- he already did. Old TD is gone forever; no-one, not >even TD, does music like that anymore... Well then, you have just given me a challenge! As soon as I have the money, I will buy some really old analogue synths and do everything in my power (short of death) to recreate the sounds of 1980-1984 TD. I have been thinking about this for a long time and I'm serious. The present-day MIDI keyboards don't do what I want, such as the sweeping stuff that can only be done by turning knobs; adding and removing notes from a sequencer loop on-the-fly, things that made Encore '77 great! Morgan P.S. Aren't I nostalgic for a Generation Xer? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 10:13 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Martin Fellis' Age: 34 Favourite Albums: Pergamon, Poland, Dream Mixes Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, UK From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 10:13 pm Subject: Geradeaus bis zum Morgen (was TD's Roots...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > done by >>the lineup EF/SL/PW in 1969 but wasn't released until 1972 or > are you >>saying that 'Geradeaus bis zum Morgen' wasn't performed until > 1972 with >>the lineup EF/CF/PB? -- Mark (about to get the checkbook out) > > All I _know_ is that it premiered on German TV in '72, putting > it in the early Baumann era. I have no idea when it was recorded, but I > don't expect it sat around for three years. Since TV programs, at least I've wondered who performed on this. A track from this is on the b++t Prayer of Quiet Dreams. Whoever's playing on this, they're playing guitar, drums, and organ. (of course Edgar's on guitar) The whole performance is agressive and rocky. (maybe similar to Ultima Thule, which I've not heard yet) I can't tell about the drumming style, it's almost like Schulze's on Electronic Meditation. But then again, Franke knew how to cut loose now and then. Unless Edgar comes forward and talks about these recordings, we may never know who really played this music. Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 10:26 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer Okay, I'll bite. It is neat to see the variety of folks we've got on this list. It's hard for me to believe that in the next couple of months, it'll be exactly 8 years since I bought my first TD album (Optical Race, another fav). Age: 24 (does that mean I'm still a kid?) Favorite albums: Underwater Sunlight, Tangram, Rubycon (that was hard to narrow down!) Hailing from: Hell... I mean Tempe, AZ, USA :-) (it's really not THAT bad!) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 7, 1997 10:50 pm Subject: RE: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Claudio Morales' Age: 30 Favourite albums: Zeit, Ricochet, Logos Loc.: Spain From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 12:10 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Age: 24 (does that mean I'm still a kid?) > Favorite albums: Underwater Sunlight, Tangram, Rubycon (that was hard to > narrow down!) > Hailing from: Hell... I mean Tempe, AZ, USA :-) (it's really not THAT bad!) > > Dave Brewer If Tucson is hell.. what would you call Lake Havasu City ---the place I now live? :) I think we here in town know we're in hell! :) Lets see.. 120 degrees today.. not *that* bad! Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 1:29 am Subject: Zoning 1987 versus Zoning 1994 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Recently I received a copy of the original 'Zoning' movie released in 1987 recorded with a Tangerine Dream soundtrack. The movie is completely in German and has no subtitles (for us spoiled English speaking folks). This movie has a very strange plot. Now we also have a 'Zoning' soundtrack CD (for original video soundtrack) released in 1996 on the Repertoire label with music produced by Edgar Froese in 1994. So there is a movie called 'Zoning' with two different TD soundtracks? Again, I did a quick listen today, and I hear very different music on the 1987 version. Which leads me to believe that this movie was re-issued with a different soundtrack in the 1990's. I don't know, does anybody have a video with the 1994 soundtrack, or even the 1987 soundtrack like I have? I'd like to have some answers on these differences. Can anybody help on this topic? By the way, in the 1987 version I hear a lot of drum beat sequences, some music played in 'Flashpoint', some sax & guitar, and even some moments like from 'Thief'. I'll give it another thorough listen soon. Always something new to discover... Vic NP: Klaus Schulze - Disc 8 of Historic Edition. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 2:23 am Subject: Re: (New) Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >I suspect, for example, that more young >people would be into Electronic Meditation and the earlier >improvisational albums, while the old geezers, I mean , uh, more mature >fans, would be into the 'New Age' (pardon the expression) style of more >recent albums. Of course I could be completely wrong. Yes, your assumption may be mistaken. Your poll may show this. By the way, you GenX-ers, I hope you are sincere when you say that you like 'Electronic Meditation', because otherwise we (New Age Geezers) are not impressed. There are many bands these days that create 'similar stuff', but this is 1997, not 1969. Age: 32 Favorite Albums: Ricochet, Sorcerer, Tangram Location: Atlanta, Georgia First exposure: Phaedra in 1977 Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 2:22 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 02:27 PM 8/7/97 -0500, Ryan wrote: [...] >Manson fans here). Anyway, I thought it would be interesting to look at >the age composition of the mailing list and see if the stereotype holds >any water. I also thought it would be interesting to compare the age >groups with favorite albums to see if different age groups lean more >towards certain TD flavors. I suspect, for example, that more young >people would be into Electronic Meditation and the earlier >improvisational albums, while the old geezers, I mean , uh, more mature >fans, would be into the 'New Age' (pardon the expression) style of more >recent albums. Of course I could be completely wrong. Anyway, I thought >it would be fun to do a poll to find out. [....] The problem, Ryan, with syllogisms is that the conclusion is necessarily in error when either the major or the minor premises are wrong. So, here is the short answer to your proposed poll: You are wrong! Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 12:36 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Brad Hartmann' Age: 42 Favorite albums: Phaedra, Tangram, Force Majeure Location: Bunceton Missouri ********************************************* Brad Hartmann problem@v... 16823 B HIGHWAY BOONVILLE, MO. 65233 ********************************************* From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 6:52 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gerry Fox' time to pop my head up again and contribute. Age 44 Favourite albums, Pergamon, Live Miles Phaedra location. Cumbernauld Scotland Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6366 Re: Age Poll Paul Nagle Fri 8/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 2:47 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle OK, why not? Age 35 Favourite albums, Stratosfear, Force Majeure, Tangram location. Lancs, England Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 23/07/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 6:13 am Subject: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: draco@g... Age: 44 Favorite Albums: Pergammon, Green Desert, Logos Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Gary From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 9:42 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton Grant Middleton:- Age - 29 (born September 1967, along with TD !) Faves - Rubycon, Phaedra, Encore, Force Majeure, Logos Home - Dunfermline, Scotland, UK. Other artists - Jarre, Schulze, Vangelis, Kraftwerk, Underworld, Namlook. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 9:46 am Subject: Re: Age poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton Hey, I've got s**t for brains this morning. :( Fave Albums (only 3 this time) - Rubycon, Phaedra, Encore Grunt Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6445 Age poll spidey Sun 8/10/1997 2 KB 6449 Age poll Miguel Farah F. Sun 8/10/1997 3 KB 6487 Age poll Erik Sanborn Mon 8/11/1997 3 KB 6695 Age poll K.E Tue 8/19/1997 3 KB 11637 Age poll Hilmar Kraft Thu 3/5/1998 4 KB 11641 Re: Age poll John Majka Thu 3/5/1998 2 KB 11677 Re: Age poll Tom Gerardy Thu 3/5/1998 4 KB 11703 Re: Age poll matt knudson Fri 3/6/1998 3 KB 11860 Re: Age poll Dennis Nigbur Tue 3/10/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 9:30 am Subject: age poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Armin Theissen Age poll: it is actually impossible to narrow TD down on three albums. O.K., I'd choose Zeit Rubicon Tangram and would miss a lot of other stuff. If we would include not only official albums, but also boots/fantapes etc., I would definetly include any of the 1980/81 concerts, like for instance the 'Nostragrasm' (sp?) concert (Bruessel October 1980), or Aachen 21/Jan/1981 (where I've been, as prooven by the fantape). BTW: For KS I'd choose Timewind, X, and one of the Royal Festival Hall CDs. Age 31 grew up in a landscape called 'Eifel' in Germany, now living in Armagh, N.Ireland Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6385 Re: age poll Miguel Traboscia Fri 8/8/1997 3 KB 6386 age poll Lars R. Jones Fri 8/8/1997 2 KB 6393 Re: age poll Capel Martyn Fri 8/8/1997 3 KB 6431 Re: age poll STEPHEN M OTT Sat 8/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 9:32 am Subject: glasgow gig ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > > >Martin, Dave, Armin, you still on for the Glasgow show? Any others want to joi >us? > > I will come! Meet you there Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8291 glasgow gig Armin Theissen Tue 11/4/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 5:39 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gaza Grand Master of Gazitsu Age 35 Faves (wish I could just say virgin years cos 3 to choose is hard) Logos, Poland (I know not virgin years but it sounds like it is) and Tangram Location Lichfield England Gaza From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 9:48 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jim & Alicia Age: 31 Favorite albums: 220 volt, Green Desert, Livemiles Location: San Mateo, CA From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 10:56 am Subject: Re: Eno's 'Apollo' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton If you like Eno's 'Apollo' album, check out 'Tycho Brahe' by Lightwave. Very similar deep-space subtlety. Where's the TD content ? Easy peasy, lemon squeezy - Paul Haslinger plays on 'Tycho Brahe'. Grunt NP - Lightwave, Tycho Brahe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6441 Re: Eno's 'Apollo' PhilPDX@a... Sun 8/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 11:03 am Subject: Coldwater Canyon (was Re: Top-down tunes?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > 3rd track of Encore (can never remember its name) > ?????!?!? Coldwater Canyon. I _do_ remember the name, but I always get confused trying to remember which is which between it and Cherokee Lane. They are arguably my fave TD track titles of all time. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 10:29 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Micke Stark Age: 34 Favorite albums: Encore, Ricochet, Tangram Location: Gothenburg, SWEDEN /Micke From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 9:19 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' It's a great idea. Age: 19 Favorite albums: Phaedra, Logos & 220 Volt Live Localization: Puerto de Santa María, España José Ramón From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 11:30 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mmarce@a... Age: 28 - on this Sunday the 10th Albums: Tangran, Rubycon, Encore Live in: Miami, Florida Now talk about living in hell... The humidity here is like 1000% Martha Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6460 Re: Age Poll Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Mon 8/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Balazs Molnar Age: 20 Favorite Albums:Pergamon, Poland, Livemiles Loc.: Hungary From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 10:35 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes Age: 39 Favorite albums: Tangram, Hyperborea, Logos Location: Madeira Island, Portugal Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 8:59 pm Subject: Age Pool ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Richard Bilek Age: 25 Favourites: 1.Turn Of The Tides 2.Optical Race 3.Exit (sorry, I was always solitaire) Location: Praha (Prague), Czech Republic, Europe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 7:14 pm Subject: Re:Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready) Might as well go along .. Age: 27 Fav albums: Ricochet, Encore, ??? (after the first two, it changes on a regular basis ... but it would definitely be a Virgin-era album) Location: Sacramento, CA (I'm surprised at the rather low # of bay area / norcal folks on this list..there seem to be just 3 or 4) -Steve sbm@p... Sacramento, CA From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 12:23 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Nomad Age: 14 (estimated) Favourites: Rockoon, Willy On The Beach, Optical Farce Location : Sunny View home for the slightly disturbed, Nr LittleHampton Hari Seldom === I never think of the future. It comes soon enough. --Albert Einstein _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 1:10 pm Subject: Age(s) Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Richmond Age: 36 Favorite TD Albums (only 3?!): Ricochet, Stratosfear, Logos Location: Menomonee Falls, WI USA First Exposure: Stratosfear in 1977 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 1:35 pm Subject: RE: age poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Miguel Traboscia' Age: 37 Favorite albums: Force Majeure, Underwater Sunlight, Tangram Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina First Exposure: Force Majeure Fan till 1980 Agree that the mid period is better (1975-1986). Not agree about the Edgar's vacation: Every artist must be free and must do what he want. We, the listeners: must take it or leave it. Sorry about my Tarzan english. :-) Miguel A. Traboscia MTraboscia@u... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 1:16 pm Subject: age poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Hi Ryan ok, i'll bite but yes, you're wrong! lars age 36 favs: pergamon, ricochet & force majeure (but I don't really hate any TD!) location: 'bahston' Mass. first exposure: thief (way back when but I can't remember that far back ;-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 2:14 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jonathan Sands' This is going to turn out to be very interesting - I had no idea there were so many members of this list around my age group :) Looks like we've got a pretty good range of favorites so far, too...kinda reminds me of my other favorite discussion group, alt.music.monkees - we've got an age range over there from about 15 to 40+. Anyway, enough rambling, here's my contribution: Age: 24 (edging ever so much closer to 25) 3 fave albums: Pergamon, Legend, Private Music of Tangerine Dream Hailing from: Horsham, Pennsylvania First exposure to TD: the movie Legend (the soundtrack makes for some great halloween music, btw) ** Kim From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: aged poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Roger Smith' my turn, age: 48 favorite albums: Pergamon, Logos, Hyperborea, and many others soundtracks: Miracle Mile, The Man Inside, and of course, Thief location: Tallahassee, Florida Roger - first exposure: Thief and Poland (life hasn't been the same) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 2:47 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... Age: 39 (born Sept. 21, 1957 - two weeks before the beginning of the space age on Oct 4, 1957 with the launch of Sputnik I 'fellow traveler of Earth') First TD exposure: Phaedra in 1974 Favorite TD: Exit, Force Majeure, Encore (but I like them all) Location: West Des Moines (Valley Junction), Iowa Graf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6702 Re: Age Poll Anthony G. Francis, Jr. Tue 8/19/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 4:03 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Brian M. Frick' Age: 19 Favorite albums: Phaedra, Ricochet, Rubycon Location: Pittsburgh, PA -- Brian Frick (Co-Editor, Equinoxe) Email: frickblj@w..., frick@b... Homepage: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ Electronic Music: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/emu/index.html Equinoxe: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html Now Playing: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 3:24 pm Subject: RE: Ages poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Earley, Kevin' Well, I'm 34, and have been a fan for nearly 20 years. Favourites: Encore, Poland, Underwater Sunlight. I *do* like Electronic Meditation, and as a Gen-X'r, I also like Throbbing Gristle and Metal Machine Music. Kevin Earley Toronto Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6392 Re: Ages poll Vic Rek Fri 8/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 4:05 pm Subject: RE: Ages poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: 'Earley, Kevin' > Well, I'm 34, and have been a fan for nearly 20 years. Favourites: > Encore, Poland, Underwater Sunlight. > I *do* like Electronic Meditation, and as a Gen-X'r, I also like > Throbbing Gristle and Metal Machine Music. > Hmmm, I always thought that the Gen-X age began with anybody born after 1964, so this should still make you a Yuppie? Oh, and today my top 3 favorite TD albums are .... Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 4:25 pm Subject: Re: age poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) You wrote: > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- Martyn age 37 favorites: Zeit, Atem, Rubycon Location: Phoenix, AZ First Exposure: Rubycon '75 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 4:49 pm Subject: Terminology check (was 'Ages poll') ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Aug 8, 12:05pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: RE: Ages poll > Really-From: Vic Rek > (...) > > Hmmm, I always thought that the Gen-X age began with anybody born after > 1964, so this should still make you a Yuppie? > Actually, you are confusing 'baby boomer' (people born after WWII and before 1964, although the exact dates are fuzzy and subject to change depending on who is doing the demographics) with the Young Urban Professional (yuppie) that some (but not all) babyboomers turned into. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 4:49 pm Subject: Re: Coldwater Canyon (was Re: Top-down tunes?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Grant Middleton > > > > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > > > 3rd track of Encore (can never remember its name) > > ?????!?!? Coldwater Canyon. > > I _do_ remember the name, but I always get confused > trying to remember which is which between it and > Cherokee Lane. They are arguably my fave TD track > titles of all time. This is also one of my all-time favs. I must admit there isn't much melody in it, but man the sequencers and the Gibson! And especially the last seconds, it sounds like the CD is stuck and repeated, great. MES btw: I really like the poll thing. It would be even nicer if we see the faces behind the names. Just an idea. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7265 Faces behind the names Dave Brewer Fri 8/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 4:33 pm Subject: Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: feldon@p... > > Well then, you have just given me a challenge! As soon as I have the money, > I will buy some really old analogue synths and do everything in my power > (short of death) to recreate the sounds of 1980-1984 TD. I have been > thinking about this for a long time and I'm serious. The present-day MIDI > keyboards don't do what I want, such as the sweeping stuff that can only be > done by turning knobs; adding and removing notes from a sequencer loop > on-the-fly, things that made Encore '77 great! > > Morgan There is just one other thing to create good music. Thats the composition! This and only this can make it a good record. It's the art of leaving out. Make the tunes as 'airy' as possible. For me the composition comes first then the type of sounds. Although the sounds are very important, for me it gives the music about 50 percent of the atmosphere. This is all my opninion of course. It's not necessary to buy the old synths. Nowadays there are a few good synths coming out, like the Clavia Nordlead 2 and the fantastic Access Virus (which I hope to get this weekend, can't wait!). Let me know when you recorded something, Morgan. I like to hear. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6407 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? rch@g... Sat 8/9/1997 4 KB 6412 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? Anthony G. Francis, Jr. Sat 8/9/1997 7 KB 6414 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? PhilPDX@a... Sat 8/9/1997 2 KB 6429 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? feldon@p... Sat 8/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 5:42 pm Subject: Spawn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: David Datta Hi folks, Been busy lately but I thought I would mention: Paul Haslinger collaborates with Graeme Revell on the soundtrack to Spawn. He is also doing some work on 'Chinese Box'. -Dave Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6398 Re: Spawn Gabe Yedid Fri 8/8/1997 3 KB 6480 Haslinger again Sean Montgomery Mon 8/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 6:20 pm Subject: Re: Spawn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: David Datta > > > Hi folks, > > Been busy lately but I thought I would mention: > > Paul Haslinger collaborates with Graeme Revell on the soundtrack to Spawn. > He is also doing some work on 'Chinese Box'. very interesting there Dave; I don't remember having seen Paul's name anywhere in the credits (no 'additional music by...' etc.), but, come to think of it, the opening title music does sound a little like the title track of _World Without Rules_. > -Dave > Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 7:59 pm Subject: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Croy Maxwell A. Croy Age: 19 Fav. Albums: Cyclone, Rubycon, Logos Location: Seattle, Washington Tom Croy TLC Images tlcimage@w... Ph/Fax: 206-788-8368 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 3:13 pm Subject: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox What the hell.... Age:46 Faves: Tangram; Poland; Logos Location, location, location! Columbus, Indiana, USA--a speck of a place, a heck of a place; where the water's as blue as the sky, and the living is easy as pie! First heard TD:1974-75--somewhere in there Seems we have a very cosmopolitan group, here! Also seems Tangram and Poland are ahead by a mile. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 3:24 pm Subject: Where have all the good tunes gone ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Marcel wrote in response to Grant who wrote in response to... >>You know what I think. I'm probably wrong. Edgar is still with this group, but Jerome writes all the tunes. He is still with this group because of the image.<< I tend to agree with both of you. I don't know about image, I think maybe since it's his baby, he sees a need to see it to it's end. Jerome, for me, has yet to prove his worth. Sure he can play (apples falling from trees and whatnot) but as a composer or beacon of light, I don't know. Of course maybe the style they are into now IS his mark. I could be wrong.....happened back in 1982 once....:) ALso, Anyone remember the old Kinks tune 'Where Have All the Good Times Gone'? Works perfect in this thread! And to whomever wrote the snotty response to the 'Age Poll'---Please! It's a valid, and interesting question. Don't care to respond? Shut the F___ up! {now I know that flame-retardent underwear is around here somewhere.......} Cheers, Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 3:28 pm Subject: Midi file ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox >>Hi guys, I have a sketchy version of Cloudburst Flight and White Eagle that I've thrown together. With your idea in mind, I will complete these and post them up ASAP. Any others people feel they'd like to here ? Cheers all, Craig<<< Can you send this to me privately again, please? It got lost in a shuffle. Thanks! Mike (sorry to use ML for this) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 8:40 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Bdarnl@a... A: 31 F: Logos, Force Majeure, Pergamon L: Missoula, Montana From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Poll results so far... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ryan Smith Wow, you guys are sending in data faster than I can sort it. I have 40 responses at present and here's the info I can glean from it thus far: 1. The age distribution is a pretty nice curve peaking at about 30 and tapering off at the late teens and mid-forties. There are also a lot of people on here who are exactly 30 years old (six so far). 2. Tangram seems to be our most popular favorite with 14 votes thus far. Rubycon, Ricochet, and Logos aren't too far behind. 3. We have pretty diverse taste. A total of 28 albums have been voted for as favorites. 4. Young or old, we all like the Virgin Years. The Vigin Years have received an average of 5.6 votes per album and the 7 most popular albums so far are all Virgin. 5. The Melrose and Seattle years aren't very popular. And to my surprise, of the few people who have voted for the newer albums, most have been younger rather than older. The only Melrose or Seattle years albums that have received more than 1 vote so far are Livemiles, 220 Volt Live, and The Dream Mixes. Here are the full results so far: Number of Respondants: 40 Average Age: 30.6 Most Common Age: 30 Youngest Member: Greg Heil, 18 Oldest Member: Roger Smith, 48 Ages of List Members: Age 10-14: 0 Age 15-19: 5 ***** Age 20-24: 6 ****** Age 25-29: 4 **** Age 30-34: 12 ************ Age 35-39: 8 ******** Age 40-44: 4 **** Age 45-49: 1 * Most Popular Albums - # of votes: 1. Tangram - 14 2. Rubycon - 11 3. Ricochet - 10 4. Logos - 10 5. Encore - 8 6. Pergamon - 8 7. Force Majuere - 7 8. Poland - 6 9. Zeit - 5 10. Phaedra - 5 Comparisons by Era: Era Name Average votes per album Average age of fan Pink Years 2.5 30.8 Virgin Years 5.6 31.6 Blue Years 2.0 29.0 Melrose Years 0.83 28.2 Seattle Years 0.75 25.7 Favorite Albums vs. Age of Fan: Album (# of votes) Average Age of Fan 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 Zeit (5) ***** Green Desert (3) ***************************** Phaedra (5) ************* Rubycon (11) * Ricochet (10) ********* Encore (8) ************* Force Majuere (7) ***************************** Pergamon (8) ***************************** Tangram (14) ************* Exit (3) ************* Logos (10) ***************** Hyperborea (3) ********************************************* Poland (6) ***** Underwater Sunlight (3) ***************** Livemiles (3) ***************** Full Result List: Album: # of votes (ave. age of fan): [albums recieving no votes are not shown] Electronic Meditation: 1 (19) Zeit: 5 (29) Atem: 1 (37) Green Desest: 3 (35) Phaedra: 5 (31) Rubycon: 11 (28) Ricochet: 10 (30) Stratosfear: 2 (36) Sorcerer: 1 (32) Encore: 8 (31) Cyclone: 1 (19) Force Majuere: 7 (35) Pergamon: 8 (35) Tangram: 14 (31) Exit: 3 (31) Theif: 1 (30) Logos: 10 (32) Hyperborea: 3 (39) Poland: 6 (29) Legend: 1 (24) Underwater Sunlight: 3 (32) Livemiles: 3 (32) Optical Race: 1 (25) Melrose: 1 (21) Private Music: 1 (24) 220 Volt: 2 (25) Turn of the Tides: 1 (25) Dream Mixes: 2 (28) Raw Data: Electronic Meditation: (19) Alpha Centauri: Zeit: (19, 30, 30, 31, 37) Atem: (37) Green Desest: (30, 44, 31) Phaedra: (42, 44, 19, 29, 19) Rubycon: (40, 21, 30, 24, 30, 31, 29, 28, 19, 37, 19) Ricochet: (19, 30, 40, 30, 32, 34, 27, 36, 36, 19) Stratosfear: (35, 36) Sorcerer: (32) Encore: (30, 24, 29, 34, 28, 27, 39, 34) Cyclone: (19) Force Majuere: (24, 42, 30, 35, 36, 37, 39) Pergamon: (30, 34, 44, 44, 36, 24, 48, 20) Tangram: (30, 24, 18, 24, 42, 32, 30, 35, 31, 34, 39, 28, 37, 35) Exit: (30, 39, 25) Theif: (30) White Eagle: Logos: (18, 30, 30, 44, 19, 39, 36, 48, 35, 19) Hyperborea: (30, 39, 48) Poland: (18, 30, 34, 34, 35, 20) Le Parc: Dream Sequence: Legend: (24) Underwater Sunlight: (24, 37, 34) Tyger: Livemiles: (44, 31, 20) Optical Race: (25) Lily on the Beach: Miracle Mile: Melrose: (21) Rockoon: Private Music: (24) Quinoa: 220 Volt: (19, 31) Turn of the Tides: (25) Tyranny of Beauty: Dream Mixes: (21, 34) Goblins Club: Kaldari kaldari@c... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6421 Re: Poll results so far... TangerineC@a... Sat 8/9/1997 2 KB 6464 Re: Poll results so far... Vincent Goudreault Mon 8/11/1997 3 KB 6899 Re: Poll results so far... Jens Peschke Wed 9/3/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 10:03 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... Name: Tom C. Age: 27 Location: Bronx, New York(Dont believe the news and movies, The Bronx is actually a nice place to live.) First exposure: was when I was 15 and saw the movie Strange Behavior. After that I heard Legend and was hooked. Favorite albums: almost all, but my real real favorites are: Zeit, Legend, Phaedra, Atem, Rubycon, Logos, Poland, Force Majuere, Tangram, Cyclone, Green Desert, Pergamon,Stratosfear, Hyperborea. As you see, it's most of the older stuff I like. Good night and God Bless(Red Skelton) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 10:21 pm Subject: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: BSphar@a... Age: 28 Faves: Underwater Sunlight, Legend, Green Desert Home: Decatur, Illinois Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6409 Re: Age Poll Ken Beal Sat 8/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 11:19 pm Subject: Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rch@g... Anthony wrote: A-hem. Old better than new? Cyclone > Goblin's Club? Atem > Canyon Dreams? Electronic Meditation > anything? I don't think so. Like everything else, TD have high spots and low spots --- both old and new, and some of their best melodies are new... WHAT DO YOU MEAN????? Atem is one of their greatest albums! Together with Electronic Meditation and Zeit, it's among the most experimental work they have done! I'd rather define it as a peak, so high that it's just out of most people's reach. Just because it's not commercial it doesn't mean it's crap. It takes more effort to appreciate, but if you're patient and give it a couple more listens you'll realise how much more there is to than initially meets the ear. The same goes with EM: just look at the line-up. That alone should convince you of it's greatness. Froese, Schnitzler and Schulze: since that first opus together they've all gone on to great things. The three of them together must have put out over 100 albums since then (counting all their individual output)!! This is not to say Canyon Dreams is no good, it's wonderfull but still it's completely different. It's like comparing the Beatles and Beethoven: regardless of who _you_ prefer both are regarded as masters for their respective periods. So please don't call EM or Atem 'low spots'! ;-) Sorry, I had to get it out! Keep dreaming, Riccardo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6412 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? Anthony G. Francis, Jr. Sat 8/9/1997 7 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 11:14 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll Age: 33 (as of 19708.13) Favorite albums: Exit, Poland, Logos, Hypoborea Location: Hacienda Heights, CA (yes, the very same Hacienda Heights, location of the $5000 cash donation to the DNC) First TD exposure: 1981, bought _Exit_ Latest TD acquisition: Shepherds Bush (from CDnow, came in mail today) NP: Shepherds Bush 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 11:44 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ken Beal Age: 47 Faves: Stratosfear, Cyclone, Melrose Location: Clovis, California (Clovis is sort of a suburb of Fresno) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) 33 Tangents, Dream Roots, Private Music Of... ; ) Dallas, Texas Sorry, you didn't specify about comps; this way I can listen to the best of 70-90! goozer PS: the first person who gritches about the remixed versions not being the originals blah blah blah, has to go to time out. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 12:22 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek First of all - you had no 'unsubscribe header' - must be those connections. At 04:14 PM 8/8/97 -0700, you wrote: >Age: 33 (as of 19708.13) >Favorite albums: Exit, Poland, Logos, Hypoborea >Location: Hacienda Heights, CA > (yes, the very same Hacienda Heights, location of the $5000 cash donation >to the DNC) Yes, and what a small world Pete, I guess you went to Los Altos High School and we were school mates without knowing it? I graduated from there in 1981! I lived in Hacienda Heights (25 minutes from downtown LA before there was traffic and many orange groves flourished) for over 10 years and my father still lives in the 'Avocado Grove'. How's the smog these days in LA? TD content: Franke, Baumann, Haslinger, Hoenig, et. al. do or once did call this place their home. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 1:17 am Subject: Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: centaur@c... (Anthony G. Francis, Jr.) > Anthony wrote: > > A-hem. Old better than new? > Cyclone > Goblin's Club? Atem > Canyon Dreams? > Electronic Meditation > anything? > I don't think so. > > Like everything else, TD have high spots and low spots --- both old > and new, and some of their best melodies are new... > > WHAT DO YOU MEAN????? I thought my meaning was clear --- someone thought that they could LEAP IN UNCHALLENGED and CLAIM that ALL NEW TD is worse than OLD, so I LEAPT IN and challenged this foul knave to a DUEL after claiming that he was a complete KNEEBITER! HA! Take that, vile weed! Yah! Yah! Of course, all(most all) of this is subjective and a matter of subjective opinion, so on any other day of the week I'd just shrug and let it pass. BUT NOT TODAY! Salt liberally with smileys and read on... > Atem is one of their greatest albums! Together with Electronic Meditation > and Zeit, it's among the most experimental work they have done! I agree that it's among the most experimental work they've done, just not that it's one of their best. I will give that to _Zeit_, though. > I'd rather define it as a peak, so high that it's just out of most > people's reach. Well, having listened to it enough during my first decade of TD listening to pull passages up in my mind as I write this, I'd have to say that it's certainly not out of my reach ... nonetheless, it does not hold a permanent place in my CD player or in-car tape box like _Goblin's Club_, _Canyon Dreams_, _Poland_ and _Force Majeure_. > Just because it's not commercial it doesn't mean it's crap. True. But describing ANY TD effort as commercial begs the definition of the term --- even the most 'mainstream' TD like _Rockoon_ and _Turn of the Tides_, which I love but admit to be quite vanilla, are nonetheless enough to turn the ears of your average listener inside out. Trust me --- I've seen it happen and it's not pretty. > It takes more effort to appreciate, but if you're patient and give > it a couple more listens you'll realise how much more there is to > than initially meets the ear. Thanks for the advice, but no, I've already done that two or three times and it gets old after a while :-). Wait --- maybe you think that's a joke. It isn't. Yes, that's right: I have DELIBERATELY pulled up Atem to give it a few more listens and realize how much more there is than initially meets the ear --- SEVERAL TIMES. I doubt that I'd get any more out of it at this point. > The same goes with EM: just look at the line-up. That alone should > convince you of it's greatness. No. > Froese, Schnitzler and Schulze: since that first opus > together they've all gone on to great things. And also gone on to things like _Tangents_, _Ballet Statique_ and _Beyond Recall_. > The three of them together must have put out over 100 albums since > then (counting all their individual output)!! True. Most of it good! And some of it not. But all of it different --- and as time passes, they've moved on to different styles... > This is not to say Canyon Dreams is no good, it's wonderfull but > still it's completely different. It's like comparing the Beatles and > Beethoven: regardless of who _you_ prefer both are regarded as > masters for their respective periods. EXACTLY my point. 'Old stuff is better, new stuff is worse,' my horsey arse. OLD and NEW are DIFFERENT, and BOTH have strong points. > So please don't call EM or Atem 'low spots'! ;-) I still don't like _EM_, sorry, but at this point I will fess up: I deliberately picked _Cyclone_ and _Atem_ because they are two of my favorite Old TD albums --- and two of the most picked on Old TD albums as well! (I leave whether I actually like and/or think are good _Tangents_, _Ballet Statique_, and _Beyond Recall_ up to the reader; the fact that I actually do like _GC_ and _CD_ should be evident.) > Sorry, I had to get it out! DITTO! I get tired of 'all the new stuff is crap' arguments (both here and on the Rush mailing lists) especially since I see many of the same people listening primarily to the new albums despite what they SAY they like. (BTW: I do NOT expect that is true on the TD list!) I like the new stuff --- _Optical Race_ introduced me to TD and *then* I began moving backward in time... and just as I finished that process, _Melrose_ came out, and I've been following them forward ever since. Old and New: BOTH are good, BOTH are different, and yet BOTH are UNDENIABLY *Tangerine* *Dream*! Enjoy it while it lasts! > Keep dreaming, > Riccardo And dream on yourself! Thanks for the comments! -the Centaur -- Anthony G. Francis, Jr. | cen.taur \'sen-.to.(*)r\ n AI/Cognitive Science Group | [ME, fr. L Centaurus, fr. Gk Kentauros] College of Computing | 1: one of a race fabled to be half man Georgia Institute of Technology | and half horse and to dwell in the Atlanta, Georgia 30332-0280 | mountains of Thessaly. Phone: (404) 894-2590 | 2: nickname for this AI grad student Net: centaur@c... - http://www.cc.gatech.edu/ai/students/centaur/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 2:15 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PhilPDX@a... Age: 34 (seems like the average on the list is about 30, not 40) Definitely NOT into the 'new age' sound of TD - IMO, most of us 'older' (I guess I'm in that category) TD listeners are LESS into the newer sound - you know, old folks don't like change that much. :-) Bring on 'The Mega-Jubilee TD Unreleased Basement Tapes From 1974-1982!' Location: Portland, Oregon 1st exposure to TD: movie Risky Business 1st TD disc: Exit, bought in 1985 - still in my top 3 (with Logos, Hyperborea) (for reasons I can't figure out, I had been buying Jarre and Schulze since high school, but didn't hear of TD until college!) Phil Derby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 2:15 am Subject: Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-08-06 06:33:13 EDT, you write: << When was the last time TD came up with a /really good tune/ ? You know the kind - one that you hear first thing in the morning and it echoes round your head all day. >> I agree there hasn't been much, but I love Stratosfear 1995 - I always turn it WAY up. Purists, flame away! :-) (I do love the original, too - I don't consider them particularly comparable) Phil Derby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6429 Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? feldon@p... Sat 8/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 3:18 am Subject: Where are the TD Ladies? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek By the way, I'd like to know where all these cool TD women are on this list? And I'm in particular refering to the ones that are single. So ladies, let's hear from you and enlighten us. We would really like to hear from you - masculine babble aside.. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 4:40 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-08-07 16:11:50 EDT, you write: << You can also list where you live too, although that won't be an official part of the poll. I'll start with mine: Age: 19 Favorite albums: Ricochet, Zeit, Electronic Meditation Location: Berkeley, CA Kaldari kaldari@c... >> Phil Naunton Age -- The big five-oh -- am I the oldest? You're as young as you feel, and I feel terrible today. Faves -- 'Force Majeure' -- 'Poland' -- 'Optical Race' First -- 'Phaedra' (1977) {I have lots of TD LPs} Location -- Chicago, Illinois, USA, Terra Firma (on it, not under it. Not yet at least.) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6420 Re: Age Poll Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 8/9/1997 3 KB 6440 Re: Age Poll Mark Jones Sat 8/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 4:42 am Subject: Please listen Edgar! (Re: Age Poll) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: PhilPDX@a... >Age: 34 (seems like the average on the list is about 30, not 40) >Definitely NOT into the 'new age' sound of TD - IMO, most of us 'older' (I >guess I'm in that category) TD listeners are LESS into the newer sound - you >know, old folks don't like change that much. :-) Bring on 'The Mega-Jubilee >TD Unreleased Basement Tapes From 1974-1982!' > Well... Klaus Schulze has broken ground many times in this category. He is about to release another 25 CD set of his music any day. Before that he has released two 10 CD sets plus regular studio releases. So Klaus is saying... Fuck the bootlegers and I'll save my fans some time, money, and energy, and I'll give them my best. I'll just release everything to them, NOT tease them with various limited releases. So where in the hell is this 1000 copy 'Das Madchen...' promo single release that was advertised on your TD home page? (then withdrawn - like it never existed). I think your time is running out in playing these games. Don't be so secretive anymore, your band no longer earns this 'awe' status amongst many fans. We need your band to come foreward and start making our nerves tingle in the right direction... Come on Edgar, I only say this because I love your band - please give us something in return; otherwise, give up the Tangerine Dream name! Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 5:11 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Robert Grabowsky Age: 32 Favorite 3: Cyclone, Miracle Mile, UK Dream Mixes Intro to TD: The Soldier First TD album bought: Rubycon From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 8:13 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak I'm not the oldest on this list but in the interest of good citizenship I'm not going to tell who is! I'm Mark Filipak. I'm 50 years old. I live in San Jose, California. And the world still isn't wierd enough for me. Fav Albums (official only): 'Logos,' 'Quichotte'/'Pergamon,' and 'Hyperborea.' First Exposure: 'Stratosfear' in 1976. > I suspect ... the old geezers, I mean , uh, more mature fans, would > be into the 'New Age' (pardon the expression) style of more recent > albums. I think this suspicion is rather counter intuitive. I assume you consider 'New Age' music to really be 'Old Age' music, eh? As for myself, I don't care for elevators and would rather take the stairs. ;-) Boy: 'When I grow up, I want to be a musician.' Dad: 'Sorry son. You can't have it both ways.' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 6:12 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 12:40 AM 8/9/97 -0400, you wrote: > Phil Naunton > Age -- The big five-oh -- am I the oldest? Nah..... :-) >You're as young as >you feel, and I feel terrible today. The complete sentence is said to read: 'A woman is as old as she looks, a man is as old as he feels.' However, my wife bought me a T-shirt that says: 'A man is as old as the woman he feels.' I prefer her view on some things.:-) Age: 52 Favorites: - Logos - Live at the Dominion - Force Majeure - Ricochet Favorite track: 'After the Call' - from Miracle Mile (hated the movie) Location: Indian Springs Village - a suburb of Birmingham, Alabama, USA - our worst problem: the darn deer keep running across the yards early in the morning; First TD album: Ricochet (1975) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 9:44 am Subject: Re: Poll results so far... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... Hey, I think you better re-do the poll. I voted and my vote did'nt count. :( I hope you will update the poll results. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 9:58 am Subject: Age Poll etc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Coppens Okay I'm in, age: 21 Favourites: Ricochet, Logos, Poland (but don't hold me on those three :-) ) From: Sint-Niklaas, Belgium >EXACTLY! Old and new TD are *different* --- often too different to be >compared. End of story. >And for people who complain that TD's gone on too long and Edgar >should quit --- he already did. Old TD is gone forever; no-one, not >even TD, does music like that anymore (and I provocatively defy anyone >to come up with a counterexample, so long as they include directions >to a store that stocks it). The new TD, like the new Rush and 'second >generation' Yes and 'second generation' Genesis, is a different band >with some of the same members doing completely different music with a >few 'roots' in the past --- doing different music and doing it well. Amazing, this is almost exactly what Edgar Froese told us in Brussels a few months ago. Jason Hopkins had just asked him about the retro movement (yes there are people who make music now, like TD used to, check out Compact Disc Services, 40/42 Brantwood Ave, Dundee DD3 6EW, UK). Edgar's reply was: 'What ?' :-). He had never heard about people doing things like he used to and wasn't very interested in it. He also said there was absolutely no reason whatsoever for him -musically- to go back to the stuff he was doing twenty years ago, that was the past, why should he turn back ? He knew that a lot of the former fans didn't like their modern output, but that was okay for him, if they didn't like the music anymore, they should not feel obliged to buy the CDs. But he would continue to make new music. A few weeks later I read an interview with Jerome Froese. Strangely enough he was more interested in albums like Phaedra than recent techno in which he couldn't find many interesting things. Also nice to know is that he used to experiment with the old equipment of the band. They had a room where they stocked all the old gear and it seems Jerome started twiddling around with it when he became interested in music. Just imagine all those lovely toys :-)) ... Just a few thoughts, Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 1:09 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve Hinksman Age: 29 Favourite albums: Force Majeure, Stratosfear, Underwater Sunlight Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada First Exposed (knowingly :^) to TD: 1992 As a Gen-Xer (I guess! - I never felt like I was part of that 'scene') I will say I like Electronic Meditation, interesting because of the experimental nature, the complete lack of formal structure, and because 'it's like, weird, man'. Zeit is more 'mood' music to me, and Atem is somewhere between EM, Zeit, and Phaedra (like the centre of a triangle). All the best, Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 1:25 pm Subject: Movies and series ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' Hello, fans: A friends has requested me that I ask you this: In that do movies and series appear the music of Tangerine Dream? All of all! Please, answer me. José Ramón Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6435 Re: Movies and series Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 8/9/1997 4 KB 6442 Re: Movies and series Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 8/10/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 1:31 pm Subject: Re: Change your name ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-08-07 05:29:11 EDT, one of the Craigs writes: << Sorry, this list already has its full quota of Craigs, with myself and Mr. Shipley. You'll have to change you name by deed-poll to something less common (like Phil?). >> Sorry, there is a waiting list for Phils. I know! It took me six months for a Phil opening before I could join. They were all Phillip! <<<< Joke! (Phillip<>full up) Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ach-ack- thud. Hi! This is Phil's widow. Sorry, I had to kill him, I couldn't stand the bad jokes anymore. Dore Naunton - - - Good Night, all. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 1:32 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Favorite track: 'After the Call' - from Miracle Mile (hated the movie) > > Andrew What a coinicidence! My father is 52 and that's his favorite TD track! I had to play that think on repeat.. over n' over.. somethin about 'running in the jungle' that he murmured about.. it had to do with Vietman.. Greg... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6436 Re: Age Poll Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 8/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 2:06 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gary Davis Age 39 Favorite TD: Stratosfear (partly because it was the first TD I ever heard when I was 18 or 19, but after all these years, still good) Tangram Logos Gary Check out my Christopher Franke page at ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad@a... SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 2:09 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Shipley What the heck, haven't posted in weeks... Age: 41 Favorites (studio/live/soundtrack): White Eagle, Poland, Thief Least favorites: Tyranny Of Beauty, Three O'Clock High, Melrose Location: Norcross, Georgia (NE suburb of Atlanta) First Exposure: Phaedra on the late, lamented WGTB in Washington DC (when Phaedra was the new release!) First LP: Phaedra First Cassette Bought: Stratosfear (and my only! I 'roll my own' but was stuck in Houston TX and needed some new tunes. It was the current release. Still have it). First CD: Exit (hell, it was the only TD CD at the time!!!) Last CD: Dream Roots Box Set (still haven't bought Goblins' Club!) Favorite Era: Virgin years (although Poland is my favorite live release, it was still close enough to the Virgin Era to have those reverberations). Least favorite era: Post-Franke (although Tyger was kinda suck-y. I do NOT like vocals with my TD, Cyclone excepted). Other favorite E-musicians: Andy Pickford, Optical Image, Ron Boots, Mark Shreeve, Rob Essers, T-Bass, Ian Boddy, Larry Fast, Bas B. Broekhuis, Bernd Kistenmacher and Joerg Strawe. (subject to change at a moments' notice...) Craig Shipley craigs@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6459 WGTB FM (was Re: Age Poll) Grant Middleton Mon 8/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 2:50 pm Subject: Re: Where have all the good tunes gone ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 10:15 PM 8/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: PhilPDX@a... > >In a message dated 97-08-06 06:33:13 EDT, you write: > ><< When was the last time TD came up with a /really > good tune/ ? You know the kind - one that you hear first > thing in the morning and it echoes round your head all day. >> > >I agree there hasn't been much, but I love Stratosfear 1995 - I always turn >it WAY up. Purists, flame away! :-) (I do love the original, too - I >don't consider them particularly comparable) I like Stratosfear 1986... :) Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 3:18 pm Subject: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: sgrace@i... (Steve Grace) Age: 42 Favorite Albums: Ricochet, Encore, Pergamon Location: Tustin, CA From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 11:20 am Subject: re: age poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) age: 45 (46 in Sept) favorites: only 3 ? that's a toughie disc 5 of Dreamroots disc 5 of Tangents Dream Sequence ( does this count as 1 ? ) geographical location: Cherry Hill, NJ USA np: tangerine ambience 2 ( not too too bad ) Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 3:22 pm Subject: ping ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Amadeo J. Szaszdi' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 5:36 pm Subject: Off Topic: ELEMENTAL, Lux Aeternae ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Brian M. Frick' > > >Review of ELEMENTAL-'Lux Aeternae' (SMD [Synth Music Direct] Magazine > > >#17/1997) > > > > > >Reviewed by Graham Getty > > > > > >'The cover and title of this album immediately suggest floral grandoise EM > > >in the Constance Demby vein. Look on the back though and the equipment list > > >includes the likes of ARP 2600 and ARP Sequencers. Could looks deceive?... > > > > > >As soon as the opener 'Tzolkin' bursts on the scene,you're in no doubt > > >where this band is coming from. Vast layers of analogue sequencers burst > > >forth from the speakers. Not a whimsical lead line in sight,it's all > > >morphing textural pulsations in classic 70's Tangerine Dream mode. All > > >change though for 'Lux Aeternae' with wide-eyed syncopations backed by > > >thematic atmospherics. The delicate approach remains for the first 4 > > >minutes of 'Rexa-Caculha',but then a strong sequence line emerges to > > >produce another fascinating journey through analogue organics. 'Por > > >Argento' has an industrial edge not untypical of some of NODE's work,but > > >then it completely changes into a child-like dream sequence well > > >characterised by the cover graphics. 'Le Charme' explores symphonic/choral > > >territory,while 'Lapis Philosophorum' is a mesmeric collage of sequences > > >and effects. 'The Samovar Song' does live up to initial expectations with a > > >treacly arrangement of choral themes,but the skip button ushers in 'Sacred > > >Site' resplendent with pulsating sequences which sound straight from > > >Redshift. > > > > > >This album is a real surprise. It's a huge slice of 70's nostalgia which is > > >rarely wide of the mark. For all you retro freaks,this is certainly one to > > >investigate.' -- Brian Frick (Co-Editor, Equinoxe) Email: frickblj@w..., frick@b... Homepage: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ Electronic Music: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/emu/index.html Equinoxe: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html Now Playing: Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6439 Re: Off Topic: ELEMENTAL, Lux Aeternae Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 8/9/1997 3 KB 6461 Re: Off Topic: ELEMENTAL, Lux Aeternae Grant Middleton Mon 8/11/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 4:40 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Carlos Alberto Martinez Salas' Hello, gang! It´s time to get aboard again. Name: Carlos A. Martinez Age: 31 Favorites: Hyperborea, Tangram, Logos Location: Monterrey, Mexico First exposure: ca. 1985, a couple of copy tapes: Tangram/ Rubycon & Thief/ Flashpoint Carlos Alberto Martinez Monterrey, Mexico work.......... cmartine@e... home.......... carmarti@i... oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 4:10 pm Subject: Re: Movies and series ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 03:25 PM 8/9/97 +0200, José wrote: > A friends has requested me that I ask you this: > >In that do movies and series appear the music of Tangerine Dream? All of >all! > Soundtracks: Sorcerer (1977) Thief (1981) Wavelength (1983) Risky Business (1983) Firestarter (1984) Flashpoint (1984) Heartbreakers (1985) Legend (1985) The Park is Mine (1986) Near Dark (1987) Three o'clock high (1987) Shy People (1987) Miracle Mile (1989) Destination Berlin (1990) Dead Solid Perfect (1988) The Man Inside (1991) Catch me if you can (1994) Deadly Care (1992) Zoning (1995) Oasis (1997) N.B. Canyon Dreams (1987) is a video-album, but not a movie. You can tell your friend that he can show us his thanks for this information by getting me a copy of 'The Man Inside' for which we will pay his costs plus postage, of course. :-) (guys, shhhhhhhhh!.... one never knows) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 4:14 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 06:32 AM 8/9/97 -0700, Greg wrote: > >> Favorite track: 'After the Call' - from Miracle Mile (hated the movie) >> >> Andrew > >What a coinicidence! >My father is 52 and that's his favorite TD track! >I had to play that think on repeat.. over n' over.. >somethin about 'running in the jungle' that he >murmured about.. it had to do with >Vietman.. > >Greg... > My experience is of a jungle as well... although it's the 60s Los Angeles. :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 6:03 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll At 01:13 199708.08 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak >I'm Mark Filipak. >I'm 50 years old. >I live in San Jose, California. >And the world still isn't wierd enough for me. If you want weird, go to Burning Man. PENFOLD: Postman Of The Playa Black Rock City, Blue Light District \ __ / o \\// )( ----^----------------- / \------------------- / \ ______________________________________________ /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 6:47 pm Subject: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Pawel Jachowicz Greetings, Age: 27 Fave 3 albums: Tangram, Force Majeure, Ricochet Location: I'm a Calgarian since 1st of July - Canada Day! -- Pawel Jachowicz, Computing Science, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada pavel@c... http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~pavel tangerine dream, christoph franke, edgar froese, johannes schmoelling klaus schulze, florian fricke, paul haslinger, klaus krueger, peter baumann From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 5:47 pm Subject: Re: Off Topic: ELEMENTAL, Lux Aeternae ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 12:36 PM 8/9/97 -0500, Brian regales us with a review of Lux Aeternae's 'Elemental' written by Graham Getty of SMD Magazine: [.......] >> > >This album is a real surprise. It's a huge slice of 70's nostalgia which is >> > >rarely wide of the mark. For all you retro freaks,this is certainly one to >> > >investigate.' Wonderfully written review. IMHO, quite accurate. This album is one of this year's pleasures. Thanks, Brian, for recommending it! TD content? If you listen to this album, it will become obvious. :-) I'm not sure about the 'retro freak' bit, tho'. Would love to have someone explain it to me. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 7:29 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Jones Name: Mark Jones, aka 'The Most Average Listener' Age: 27 Res: Tucson, AZ Tangerine Dreamed since 1986; first albums, 'Stratosfear,' followed by 'Phaedra,' 'Tangram,' and 'In the Beginning ... '; most recent purchases, 'Livemiles,' 'Flashpoint,' and 'Beyond the Storm' (Not strictly TD but a very fine 2CD anthology, and the accompanying Essay by Mark Prendergast is a definite bonus); favorite albums, 'Poland,' 'Logos,' 'Pergamon,' 'Tangram,' 'Force Majeure,' 'Livemiles,' and 'Green Desert;' my vote for best period would be the Froese/Franke/Schmoelling lineup (what a surprise). TD wish: that I could have been at the Dominion. Comment to the TD newcomer or to those new on the list: for an interesting overview and introduction to the music of TD, check out Mark Filipak's Introduction to Tangerine Dream, if still available. Oh yes, one more thing: in my opinion, while the vintage material does have a certain kind of nostalgic revolutionary quality to it that I still admire, I find that the new TD material is just as experimental and quite breathtaking. The casual listen just won't cut it. I guess that's about it for now. -- Mark ********************************** Mark 'Illegitimus non carborundum.' mjones@j... ********************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 9, 1997 8:58 pm Subject: Re: Eno's 'Apollo' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-08-08 06:01:48 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Grant Middleton If you like Eno's 'Apollo' album, check out 'Tycho Brahe' by Lightwave. Very similar deep-space subtlety. >> I really wanted to like Tycho Brahe, but couldn't quite get into it. I sold it to my neighbor. I still have Apollo, and like it a lot. I guess I can see the similarity between the two, though. Phil Derby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 10, 1997 12:06 am Subject: RE: Movies and series ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' Hello, people. Thanks you very much, Andrew, for answer me. ---------- De: tadream mailing list A: tadream@c... Asunto: Re: Movies and series Fecha: sábado 9 de agosto de 1997 18:10 Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 03:25 PM 8/9/97 +0200, José wrote: > > A friends has requested me that I ask you this: > > > >In that do movies and series appear the music of Tangerine Dream? All of > >all! > > > >Soundtracks: > Sorcerer (1977) > Thief (1981) > Wavelength (1983) > Risky Business (1983) > Firestarter (1984) > Flashpoint (1984) > Heartbreakers (1985) > Legend (1985) > ... Thanks, but my friend needs too know respect to unreleased soundtracks. Could somebody help? >You can tell your friend that he can show us his thanks for this >information by getting me a copy of 'The Man Inside' for which we >will pay his costs plus postage, of course. :-) Yes!, he has the movie 'The Man Inside', but in Spanish version (El Quinto Poder). If you are interested, write me off-line. José Ramón From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 10, 1997 5:36 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Alan Justrabo Ages ?!? Age: 41 Favourite Albums: Encore, Force Majeure, Ricochet... Location: London, Ontario, Canada. Al Justrabo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6447 Re: Age Poll Snowdog747@a... Sun 8/10/1997 2 KB 6450 Re: Age Poll Neal McAuley Sun 8/10/1997 3 KB 6452 Age Poll Ceb Blankenship, Jr. Mon 8/11/1997 2 KB 6456 Re: Age Poll Jens Kilian Mon 8/11/1997 3 KB 6458 Re: Age Poll TangerineC@a... Mon 8/11/1997 2 KB 6465 Re: Age Poll Michal Balcerzak Mon 8/11/1997 3 KB 6468 Re: Age Poll Tdune@a... Mon 8/11/1997 2 KB 6470 Re: Age Poll Alexander Bjelke Tue 8/12/1997 3 KB 6497 Re: Age Poll Mike Livsey Tue 8/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 10, 1997 8:25 am Subject: Glasgow show ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Got my tickets for the Glasgow show on Saturday 1st November yesterday. So, I >repeat my call for any people who will be attending this show to get in contact >if you want to have a pre-show get-together somewhere. > >Martin, Dave, Armin, you still on for the Glasgow show? Any others want to join >us? We're still up for it even if we don't know where we'll be on that date or what we're actually supposed to be doing. What's more, with a bit of luck, we could be bringing some new TD'ers along with us. Best Wishes to all, David Name : David Hughes Age : 35 Favourite albums : Underwater Sunlight, Stratosfear, Lily on the Bitch, Optical Race... First Exposure : Exit 1981 Location : Newcastle upon Tyne, England T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 10, 1997 12:26 pm Subject: Age poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: spidey Age: 34 Fave albums: 1. Logos 2. Tangram 3. Pergamon Oscar Dean Connecticut From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 10, 1997 1:32 pm Subject: tommyknockers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I noticed someone's soundtrack list somewhere credited TD for the movie Tommyknockers... When I checked the actual box credits, I see that it says 'music by Chris Franke.' I haven't seen this film (I'm not a big fan of stephen king books and less so of his books turned into movies); can anyone tell me if the music is anything special? is it worth buying the video for? or is it just crap (eg symphonic)? I don't see it mentioned on this list hardly ever. (Of course, then we don't discuss unreleased CF soundtracks very often either). lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7072 tommyknockers Lars R. Jones Sun 9/14/1997 3 KB 7075 Re: tommyknockers Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 9/14/1997 3 KB 7087 Re: tommyknockers TWeibre361@a... Mon 9/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 10, 1997 2:29 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Snowdog747@a... In a message dated 97-08-07 16:11:50 EDT, you write: << age and 3 favorite TD albums >> Ben Graber Age: 37 First TD exposure: 79/80 Force Majeure Favorites: Logos, Pergamon Underwater Sunlight. Tend to favor 'The Blue Years' but enjoy aspects of all TD releases Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Ben NP: Amin Bhatia ' The Interstellar Suite' Sunday morning wake up!!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 12:47 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve Yensen Steve Yensen Age: 44 Favourite albums: Phaedra, Force Majeure, Stratosfear, Ricochet Location: Nottingham, UK First Exposed to TD: 1973 - Atem, concert at St. George's Hall, Bradford, UK. Least favourite era: post Chris Franke Least favourite album (and the latest time-wise): Rockoon Last CDs (also first CDs): Green Desert, Encore (from Craig C) - brill! Other favourite E-music artists, JMJ, Chris Franke, Kraftwerk Other favourite artists, Fairport Convention, Richard Thompson, Sandy Denny. I know I'm a bit late in replying, sorry. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 10, 1997 5:47 pm Subject: Age poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Name: Miguel Farah F. Age: 26 Favorite albums: Logos, Le Parc, Encore Location: Santiago, Chile First TD hearing: 1996 (Logos) -- MIGUEL FARAH \ GCS/O d-(pu) s++:+>++: a26 C++ UL+>L++++ miguel@w... / P+ L>++ E--- W++ N+++ o+ K+++ w--(+) !O mfarah@p... \ M- V-- PS+(-) PE++ Y+ PGP-(+) t++@ 5++ http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel / X- R tv(+) b+ DI+ D++ G++++ e+(*) h!>++ #include \ r-- y? <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Neal McAuley Just so that I can't be accused of being a lurker (which I am most of the time because of time constraints)... Age: 34 Favorite albums: Underwater Sunlight, Dream Mixes (2CD), Tangram Location: Seattle, WA First Exposure: I think it was White Eagle or Tangram in college (early 80's) Neal :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 10, 1997 8:54 pm Subject: Anyone UKers here know Dave Roberts? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Elana who? Pardon the off-topic... Hello to all Tadreamers in the UK! :) Can you folks help? I just got a phone message from Dave Roberts (of the Space Rider 'zine) from England. He wants me to call him back... AND I CAN'T FIND HIS PHONE NUMBER! ARrrggh! IF anyone knwos the guy, please relay a message for me... tell him if he's on the net by now, please email me at elana@n... If he's not netted, please find out what he wanted to say to me on the phone, then email me the news. Thanks in advance... I appreciate it... (the people of England were very good to me when I was there, and it makes for a VERY excellent memory for me to keep. :) ******* Ob-tadream: so what do you guys think of the Babylon 5 soundtrack box set that CHRIS has planned for later this month? It's 5 CDs, and I believe they are a 1/2 hour each. If the price of this box set works out to full price per CD for a half-CD's worth of music each, I am going to be majorly NOT HAPPY. C'mon Sonic Images, let me keep my faith in you guys alive... -Elana Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6462 Re: Anyone UKers here know Dave Roberts? Grant Middleton Mon 8/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 1:05 am Subject: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Ceb Blankenship, Jr.' Name: Ceb Blankenship Age: Will be 50 August 21 Faves: Tangram, Poland, Logos, Encore First Exposure and Purchase: Phaedra, 1974 TD concerts attended: Three (all in USA) Location: Olney, Maryland (Just north of Wash. DC) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 2:02 am Subject: D:Morphing Space ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I don't hear about this Christopher Franke release too often, so I guess I'll mention some details on this limited release. This is an EP CD single release titled: 'Morphing Space' The Singles, A seamless transition from one state to another. And this is the effect I feel from the music. There are 3 tracks with a total running time a bit over 13 minutes. The music sounds romantic and melodic to me, something you could play on a date after you poured the wine and lit the candles (hit repeat button). The classic Franke sounds are present, and if you like his really good release of 'Klemania' then you should like this also since it's basically a companion release to 'Klemania'. I give it a strong 3AS, even though it's not a full length release. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 2:02 am Subject: D:Solo - Week 9, Aug. 11, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This week of August 11, 1997 we would like to hear comments on: Christopher Franke - Raven AND/OR - Enchanting Nature ------------------------------------------------- Please make subject title 'D:Raven' or 'D:Enchanting Nature' when commenting. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 2:12 am Subject: WTB: Quinoa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ken Beal Howdy All... Anybody have a spare or extra copy of Quinoa they would like to sell.... Email off list... Thanks....Ken np: Walter Holland - Relatively From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 6:22 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jens Kilian Is it that time of the year again? Age: 32 Location: Herrenberg, Germany Fave 3 albums: Poland, Stratosfear, Tangram Greetings, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-14-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-14-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 8:44 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Age : 29 Favourite Albums : Underwater Sunlight, Logos, Force Majeure Location : Dunfermline, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 8:09 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-08-08 07:47:11 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Mmarce@a... Age: 28 - on this Sunday the 10th Albums: Tangran, Rubycon, Encore Live in: Miami, Florida Now talk about living in hell... The humidity here is like 1000% Martha >> Happy Birthday Martha!!!!!!!! I'm going to be 28 on Tuesday! You were born 2 days before me! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 9:26 am Subject: WGTB FM (was Re: Age Poll) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Craig Shipley > > First Exposure: Phaedra on the late, lamented WGTB in Washington DC (when > Phaedra was the new release!) I was sent a tape of some of WGTB's finest moments by my good net-friend Kevin Bond. I just wish we had something similar over here. Run BY hippies FOR hippies. TD content(s) (albeit, very very tenuous) - I believe the MC who announced 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froeseeeee and Chris.....Franke. All well known as Tangerine Dream' on Encore, was a WGTB DJ. On an 'artists classified' spot, where local bands would advertise for members, etc., the backing music was Bayreuth Return from Schulze's 'Timewind' ! Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 9:36 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: Mmarce@a... > > Quick, quick, point the camera over here. No, never mind the fight between the Yeti and Bigfoot, there's a woman on the Tadream mailing list!!! > >Age: 28 - on this Sunday the 10th Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear Martha, happy birthday to you! (Good job you can't here the singing - maybe that's why I like instrumntal music - easier to sing along to!) >Albums: Tangran, Rubycon, Encore >Live in: Miami, Florida >Now talk about living in hell... >The humidity here is like 1000% Hmmm, doesn't this make you a fish? > >Martha ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 9:41 am Subject: Re: Off Topic: ELEMENTAL, Lux Aeternae ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: 'Brian M. Frick' > > >As soon as the opener 'Tzolkin' bursts on the scene,you're in no doubt > >where this band is coming from. Vast layers of analogue sequencers burst > >forth from the speakers. Not a whimsical lead line in sight,it's all > >morphing textural pulsations in classic 70's Tangerine Dream mode. I've got to take issue with this last sentence. 'Lux Aeternae' is certainly a nice analogue album, with lovely layered sequencers and abstract sounds. However, each piece is a single entity in itself with little or no progression from start to finish and there is no lead line (whimsical or otherwise) AT ALL. One of TD's hallmarks in the '70s was a focussed, direct lead line (think of the Mellotron work in Phaedra, Rubycon, Encore). The only whimsical lead lines I can think of are the first section of Monolight or the end of Force Majeure. In saying that, Monolight was my first exposure to TD and that Moog lead line just about knocked me off my feet. After having listened to it probably over a thousand times in my life, the effect has been blunted somewhat. >and effects. 'The Samovar Song' does live up to initial expectations with a >treacly arrangement of choral themes,but the skip button ushers in 'Sacred I personally think 'The Samovar Song' is beautiful (albeit in a sickly sweet 'Christmas with Barney' sort of way). > >rarely wide of the mark. For all you retro freaks,this is certainly one to > >investigate.' Certainly true. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 9:54 am Subject: Re: Anyone UKers here know Dave Roberts? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Elana who? Hi again, Elana. Hope your 'real life' situation has been resolved. 'Life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans.' - John Lennon > Can you folks help? Sorry, I personally can't. I was really wanting to know what the scoop is on GoldTri. Is it still operating ? Is Majordomo working in automatic mode, yet ? The list had real potential and gave me a few interesting leads to follow up. NP - Shreeve, Assassin Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 11:36 am Subject: quinoa at the supermarket ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers I was in the supermarket last night and what did I see but quinoa! 'South-American grain & staple of the Incas...' so that's what quinoa is! lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6482 Re: quinoa at the supermarket Plumer, Scott Mon 8/11/1997 3 KB 6484 Re: quinoa at the supermarket Vincent Goudreault Mon 8/11/1997 3 KB 6486 Re: quinoa at the supermarket Plumer, Scott Mon 8/11/1997 2 KB 6491 Re: quinoa at the supermarket TangerineC@a... Tue 8/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 12:21 pm Subject: Re: Poll results so far... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Mhhh... Just for completeness, I don't see my age besides 'Stratosfear'. I assume that it is because my #3 favorite album title was not too obvious from by sig layout. C.B. Vincent Goudreault age 40 online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet (& Statosfear) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michal Balcerzak Age: 26 Albums: Tangram, Logos, Hyperborea Live in: Gdansk, Poland Michal From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 1:28 pm Subject: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ian Shillingford Message text written by INTERNET:tadream@c... >The present-day MIDI keyboards don't do what I want, such as the sweeping stuff that can only be done by turning knobs; adding and removing notes from a sequencer loop on-the-fly, things that made Encore '77 great! Morgan< Ahhh, you don't think this is reinforcing TDs rock direction do you? Not wanting to go back to the 80s style because modern equipment no longer enables intimate fiddling with the music? ...they haven't dumped all their old equipment, have they? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6469 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Gabe Yedid Mon 8/11/1997 3 KB 6472 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Grant Middleton Tue 8/12/1997 6 KB 6492 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Gabe Yedid Tue 8/12/1997 8 KB 6495 Re: Instruments maketh the band? feldon@p... Tue 8/12/1997 5 KB 6506 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Paul Nagle Tue 8/12/1997 3 KB 6505 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 8/12/1997 6 KB 6510 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Grant Middleton Tue 8/12/1997 4 KB 6512 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Gabe Yedid Tue 8/12/1997 4 KB 6519 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Grant Middleton Tue 8/12/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 1:28 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll (better late than never!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ian Shillingford Age: 34 Location: Melbourne, Australia. Centre of the World [if you hold the map upside-down and squint :^)] Favourite 3 albums: Logos Ricochet Pergamon All you Arizonians living in Hell, then I must be living in Heaven because tomorrow's top is 14*C (57*F)! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 1:38 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tdune@a... These are my favorite TD albums: Logos Thief Phaedra Age: 39 Location: Long Island, New York USA Marcelo G. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 2:01 pm Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Ian Shillingford > > > Message text written by INTERNET:tadream@c... > >The present-day MIDI > keyboards don't do what I want, such as the sweeping stuff that can only be > done by turning knobs; adding and removing notes from a sequencer loop > on-the-fly, things that made Encore '77 great! Ah, the new-generation keyboards are FULLY MIDI-compatible and have knobs all over. Ever taken a REALLY close look at a Waldorf Wave? 'Ah, modern violins don't have what I want, the gut strings that give a more distinctive, less sinuous sound and the special varnish mixes that gave such great sonority, things that made Brandenburg Concertos 1720s great!' > Morgan< > > Ahhh, you don't think this is reinforcing TDs rock direction do you? > Not wanting to go back to the 80s style because modern equipment no longer > enables intimate fiddling with the music? > > ...they haven't dumped all their old equipment, have they? No they haven't, they keep it all stowed away and take out what they need when they want. And 2 words for not doing with the new equipment what couldn't be done with the old: 'Cedar Breaks' Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6472 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Grant Middleton Tue 8/12/1997 6 KB 6492 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Gabe Yedid Tue 8/12/1997 8 KB 6495 Re: Instruments maketh the band? feldon@p... Tue 8/12/1997 5 KB 6506 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Paul Nagle Tue 8/12/1997 3 KB 6505 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 8/12/1997 6 KB 6510 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Grant Middleton Tue 8/12/1997 4 KB 6512 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Gabe Yedid Tue 8/12/1997 4 KB 6519 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Grant Middleton Tue 8/12/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 2:58 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Alexander Bjelke ok, I'm on! Age: 19 Favorites: Force Majuere, Stratosfear, Green Desert Location: Hakadal, NORWAY Regards Alexander Bjelke BTW visit my homepage at http://home.sn.no/~abjelke. It is about Jarre, but TD is mentioned more than once.... ********************************************************** Alexander Bjelke Email: abjelke@s... Jarre homepage: http://home.sn.no/~abjelke ********************************************************** Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6497 Re: Age Poll Mike Livsey Tue 8/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Track Times from promo RUBYCON Lars Jones <105411.3107@c...>, Tangerine Dream Digest ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman For those who care, this is how the music parts are broken down on the promo version of RUBYCON. I've listed the tracks exactly as they appear on the record labels themselves. Each side of the record has 3 bands so as to let a dj cue the record to the right spot. SIDE A: RUBYCON -- PART I A (5:48) B (7:38) C (4:08) RUBYCON -- PART II A (4:20) B (6:50) C (6:31) -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 4:17 pm Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > > >The present-day MIDI > > keyboards don't do what I want, such as the sweeping stuff that can only be > > done by turning knobs; adding and removing notes from a sequencer loop > > on-the-fly, things that made Encore '77 great! There are two MIDI sequencer boxes which emulate the features of the best of the analogue devices. Ask Paul Nagle about them if you're interested. > Ah, the new-generation keyboards are FULLY MIDI-compatible and have knobs > all over. Ever taken a REALLY close look at a Waldorf Wave? It's the 'compromises' of the old keyboards that made them great, and still make them exciting. Because they had no memory to store patch settings, all the parameters were immediately available so if you feel inspired, you can grab that filter cutoff knob and make that sound we all know and love. Of course, there are many disadvantages with the old gear, including tuning and the above-mentioned lack of memory. Many modern keyboards are exciting because they're starting to adopt the 'hands-on' approach again. The Korg Prophecy and Nord Lead spring to mind as fully-MIDI'd fully DIGITAL devices which capture the excitement of the 'old days'. Jarre said that he pulled out all his old gear and was so excited that he made Oxygene 7-13. He also said that he couldn't have made the album without some '90s technology (in the shape of Nord Lead and Raven keyboards), '80s technology (in the shape of Linn and Roland drum machines) and '70s technology (all the analogue gear). > 'Ah, modern violins don't have what I want, the gut strings that give a > more distinctive, less sinuous sound and the special varnish mixes that > gave such great sonority, things that made Brandenburg Concertos 1720s > great!' This made me smile, but I'm afraid the rhetoric is better than the sentiments deserve. More convenience doesn't necessarily equate to a better sound. The Yamaha DX7 and the Korg M1 were the workhorses of cabaret bands the world over. Push a button and you've got a very useable piano or strings or bass or brass sound. But try to make them electronic space instruments and what happens ? Their sonic shortcomings start to become apparent. Give me a monophonic, non-programmable, KEYBOARDLESS VCS3 instead. I can't comment on the sonic properties of gut versus whatever they use these days, but if gut sounds better then its use would surely be justified, especially in a studio setting. > No they haven't, they keep it all stowed away and take out what they need > when they want. Well, they don't have Chris's modular Moog, which made up a large part of their '70s sound and arguably led to the birth of the trancey sequencer style. So, do instruments maketh the band ? Well, listen to Phaedra in its original and its '90s form. No contest. Try to imagine 'Smoke on the Water' played on a flute instead of a heavily metallic guitar. No contest. Sounds ARE an important part of the final effect a piece has on you, especially in space music. In the area of rock and pop, the sounds are arguably less important and I reckon that as Edgar is trying to steer TD (ie trying to steer himself and his son) back to a rock format, they are contenting themselves with sounds from 'convenient' keyboards which are 'good enough' for what they want to do. Also, it would seem that Edgar no longer considers a single note being swept by a phase shifter to be 'music'. Think about it - when was the last time TD played with the texture of a single note or chord and made that the focus of the piece ? Tell me it wasn't on 'Encore', 20 years ago ?*!?*@! Grant Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6492 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Gabe Yedid Tue 8/12/1997 8 KB 6495 Re: Instruments maketh the band? feldon@p... Tue 8/12/1997 5 KB 6506 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Paul Nagle Tue 8/12/1997 3 KB 6505 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 8/12/1997 6 KB 6510 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Grant Middleton Tue 8/12/1997 4 KB 6512 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Gabe Yedid Tue 8/12/1997 4 KB 6519 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Grant Middleton Tue 8/12/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 3:26 pm Subject: Force Maj_EU_re ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' This is nit-picking, but lots of people seem to be mispelling the TD album name 'Force Majeure' by interverting the E and the U. This is even more surprizing from people who would quote this fine work as their favorite album. (Mind you, I very often misspell 'Wahn' by putting the 'h' in the wrong place, and 'Phaedra' often spelled pheadra when typed in haste by yours truly) So, to all of you, welcome to the DNAA (North American Dyslexic Association) ;-) C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6542 Re: Force Maj_EU_re PNaunton@a... Wed 8/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 3:29 pm Subject: Re: WGTB FM (KFMG FM) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-08-11 04:44:11 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Craig Shipley > > First Exposure: Phaedra on the late, lamented WGTB in Washington DC (when > Phaedra was the new release!) >I was sent a tape of some of WGTB's finest moments by my >good net-friend Kevin Bond. I just wish we had something >similar over here. Run BY hippies FOR hippies.<< I had a similar experience as a youth. In central Iowa during the early to mid 70's there was a great station called KFMG that played 'progressive' music. This was when stereo FM was a new thing (at least around here) and it was run 'BY Hippies, FOR Hippies' as you say. The 'big-daddy Hippie' was a man named Ron Sorenson and they would do anything - play anything - with absolutely no commercial interests or concerns at all. This is where I first heard Phaedra (in it's entirety) and my first exposure to TD in 1974. Of course, I thought it was so 'cool' I immediately rushed out and purchased a copy. I've been a TD fan ever since! Unfortunately, the station died after a few years. ( Bought out by commercial big-money conglomerate.) Ron Sorenson went on to do similar programming on a new thing called cable television - playing jazz, blues, and progressive rock behind the 'info scrolls' that predominated cable at the time because there weren't very many actual channels to watch. We spent many a 'stoned' evening watching those scrolls go by just for the great music in the background - often it was the newest TD release!! Well, that was short-lived as well, and Ron disappeared for many years until 1993 when - glory be - he revived KFMG!!! This was the greatest station ever, just as counter-culture as ever. They did a lot to promote live music and local musicians; promoted many great events for charities; brought in a lot of great shows; and, of course, played music on the air that you would not hear anywhere else. They had the balls to play anything anyone would ask for. They had a weekly show where anyone could be the DJ and play whatever they liked - which I did! Naturally, I played a bunch of TD and other rarely (never) heard on the radio 'space' stuff. But, once again, Ron proved that 'big money interests' will conquer the 'alternative music interests' every time. KFMG died again in 1996 after 3 years. It was like a dagger in my heart.:-( Now their bandwidth is occupied by a total waste of electricity (IMO) known as 'LAZER 103.3' that we old hippies refer to as the 'Metallica Channel'. What a pity! AC/DC or Marilyn Manson, anyone? Cheers, Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Wanted: MORPHING SPACE CD EP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hey, anyone out there have a copy of the MORPHING SPACE CD EP that they can part with? I rather like the short version that is on the CELESTIAL NAVIGATION CD (on the Rising Star label). -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 3:51 pm Subject: Re : Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Hello! Age = 31.5 Location = France, near Paris in a quiet and sylvester place Favourite tracks: from Baumann period : Closing section from Rubycon2 from Schmoelling period : Closing section from Logos1 (By the way, I always thought Green was the color!) from Haslinger period : Alchemy of the Heart from Franke/Froese on their own periods : Valley of the Sun (Dream Root Collection, Cd5, track 1) from Music for Films : Charly the Kid (Firestarter) from Nowadays : Towards the evening star (of course!) I would never go to a deserted island without these tracks I would never go to a deserted island 'cause there exist other fabulous tracks by TaDream... nicht wahr? First exposure : Phaedra and Rubycon in the last '70. At this time it was hard for me to listen to this music; I'd rather listen to Jarre's Oxygene or Kraftwerk's Radio-activity or Vangelis' Spiral. Since Logos and White Eagle, TD is my favourite band. I would thank Herve Mathieu for his musical broadcast 'Vibrations' on a local radio in Toulouse, France, in '82-'83. Now, Herve has died in a stupid car crash, but I still remember him and the fact he made me discover TD, Mike Oldfield and many others. I've given those titles for favourite tracks 'cause this is music that comes from the heart... music that bring emotions and shivers of pleasure in the head... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 3:52 pm Subject: Re : Correction on: 1975 TD Radio Spots LP! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Can you tell me what 'Voices in the Dunes' is? Maybe a book... where can we find it? Thanx... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 11:15 am Subject: Discography in database format ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Anthony Fell Hi All, would anybody have the complete Tangerine Dream and/or solo artists discography in any of the common database formats? If so could you forward a copy to me? Regards Tony Fell ___________________________________________________________________ From: A.W. FELL Advanced Composites Manufacturing Centre (ACMC) School of Manufacturing, Materials and Mechanical Engineering University of Plymouth Plymouth Devon PL4 8AA United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)1752 232663 Fax: +44 (0)1752 232638 Mail: afell@p... ___________________________________________________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 10, 1997 6:11 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery Sorry this is late in coming, but I've been out of town for the past week. Age: 26 First Exposure: 'Risky Business', then Underwater Sunlight (which was the first TD album I bought) Favourite Disks: Pergamon, Dream Mixes, Ricochet Location: Toronto, Canada Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 10, 1997 6:17 am Subject: Haslinger again ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery I just got back from SIGGRAPH in Los Angeles, and as in 1995, Paul Haslinger composed music for the 'Electronic Theatre' presentation. It's actually just a reworked version of Monkey Brain Sushi, but it was great to hear it cranked up loud at the Shrine Theatre. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 5:04 pm Subject: D: OoOoooOoO 'Raven' OoOoooOoO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... Raven August 11, 1997 Chris Franke 'Raven' Published 1993 Purchased 1997 Sonic Images SI-8112-2 A bit choppy and formulaic, this one. In my opinion a soundtrack should be able to stand by itself and have the energy and pulling power to draw you into the story, or else make you want to see the movie. This soundtrack does nothing for me. The music is nothing more that a matte painting upon which the action probably takes place. The music could easily be done by Glen Campbell or Zamfir.;-) And those cliché pop tunes? - - I've been talking to Ralph on the Big Phone!!! Gag! Many of the good tracks are repeated on other Franke discs, so, IMO, this issue may be easily overlooked and not missed, save for the C. Franke completists who have to have every utterance he ever uttered. ;-) Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 5:06 pm Subject: RE: quinoa at the supermarket ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I was in the supermarket last night and what did I see but quinoa! >'South-American grain & staple of the Incas...' so that's what quinoa is! Did you buy some?!?!? I'll give you $50 for a copy!!! Oh, wait. Never mind. :-) (What you have just witnessed is the result of not enough sleep the night before due to seeing Fish in concert then have 'a few beers' with the band afterwards.) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 5:18 pm Subject: RE: WGTB FM (KFMG FM) (WUJC-FM) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >I was sent a tape of some of WGTB's finest moments by my > >good net-friend Kevin Bond. I just wish we had something > >similar over here. Run BY hippies FOR hippies.<< > While we're reminiscing about radio stations, here's my contribution: During the '80s and up until about '92, John Carroll University's radio station, WUJC 88.7FM, had a four hour new age show called 'Atmospheres' on three nights per week. Sunday night was hosted by a guy named Kenyon Mao, who I still think is the best DJ ever. When TD came to town in '86, his whole show the Sunday before was TD, everything from EM to Le Parc (which was their latest release.) He also played a short phone interview he did with Paul. Other staples of the show were Shreeve, Patrick O'Hearn, Jarre, Mark Isham, Oregon, Schulze, and many others. Great show, that. Now I get my e-music radio fix on Sunday mornings on Cleveland State U.'s WCSB 89.3FM. I forget the name of the show, but it's more strictly e-music than new age. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 5:30 pm Subject: Re: quinoa at the supermarket ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Scott (Plummer), since you seem so eager to get 'Quinoa', it may interest you to know that CUE Records (in Holland, cue@m..., http://mcs.nl/cue/cue.html) sent me an e-mail last July 21st, to the effect that they had Quinoa in stock, for $23.99 (which is a lot less than the $50 that you were so eager to give for it...) Check them out. Regards C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Age Poll Entry from a Gnu Agey Sorta Guy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Lesse, right now, it goes like this: 1st Fave: RUBYCON [although I tend to prefer EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE] 2nd Fave: tie between LE PARC and HEARTBREAKERS 3rd Fave: THE DREAM MIXES [UK edition] o Me: 39 years old (I was wrong about being 40; my math sucks: I was born August 10, 1958) o First TD encounter: a used copy of ENCORE with only one disc: the one with 'Cherokee Lane' and 'Desert Dream' o Second TD encounter: used copy of PHAEDRA (and I hated it for over 5 years!) o Third TD encounter: a new (!) copy of EXIT bought in 1981, not too long after its release (ah, 'Kiew Mission': bliss) o Became a TD collector for real: 1984; the same year that I finally gave up on being a [David] Bowie collector) o Subscribed to TD list: 1990 or 1991 (I forgot) Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 6:12 pm Subject: RE: quinoa at the supermarket ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >since you seem so eager to get 'Quinoa', it may interest you to know that >CUE Records (in Holland, cue@m..., http://mcs.nl/cue/cue.html) sent me >an e-mail last July 21st, to the effect that they had Quinoa in stock, >for $23.99 (which is a lot less than the $50 that you were so eager to give >for it...) Thanks, Vince, but I was joking. :-) Scott ('Mmmmm, Quinoa.') From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 6:57 pm Subject: Age poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) Might as well join in the fun... Age: 32 Favorite 3 albums: Exit, Tangram, Underwater Sunlight Location: in the groovy land of Groveland, MA (north of Boston) First exposure to TD: Exit Second TD album purchased: Tangram (Wait, I see a pattern to this...) First TD concert: 1986 - Underwater Sunlight tour (Ah! There's that pattern! :) Bit tough to narrow down to just three albums. It would have been easier to just say 'the Schmoelling years.' (Okay, I know, Schmoelling wasn't on Underwater Sunlight) But I do have favorites in many of the other non-Schmoelling albums like Stratosfear and Turn of the Tides. In fact, it would be easier to list my least favorites: Cyclone (3 AS without the vocals; 0.5 AS with the vocals) 'A Time For Heroes' (gag) Zeit ('one note over four LP sides' is how others have described it) Electronic Meditation (interesting from an historical perspective only) -Erik Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6695 Age poll K.E Tue 8/19/1997 3 KB 11637 Age poll Hilmar Kraft Thu 3/5/1998 4 KB 11641 Re: Age poll John Majka Thu 3/5/1998 2 KB 11677 Re: Age poll Tom Gerardy Thu 3/5/1998 4 KB 11703 Re: Age poll matt knudson Fri 3/6/1998 3 KB 11860 Re: Age poll Dennis Nigbur Tue 3/10/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 8:29 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-08-08 06:21:35 EDT, you write: << File: ReAgePol (687 bytes) DL Time (28800 bps): < 1 minute >> Thanks for the age poll Jose. Your poll was so special and heart warming to me that I will keep it on my hard drive forever. :) Man,I need help! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 8:45 pm Subject: Re: Track Times from promo RUBYCON Lars Jones <105411.3107@c...>, T... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-08-11 16:10:08 EDT, you write: << For those who care, this is how the music parts are broken down on the promo version of RUBYCON. >> Yes. I enjoyed that very much. Thanks for posting. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 8:43 pm Subject: Read this, it's about that pole thingy we all took. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-08-11 15:32:57 EDT, you write: << o Me: 39 years old (I was wrong about being 40; my math sucks: I was born August 10, 1958) >> Hey forget the age poll.... Let's see how many Td fans are Leo's. I am.I was born August 12, 1969. TD is as old as me!!! Whoopie!!! And I found 2 other people on this list that are leo's also. Then after that pole, lets see how many of those Leo's are into the album 'TYGER'. Even though a leo is a lion, a tyger(or tiger) is a type of cat. :) Oh boy, now I really need help! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 8:48 pm Subject: Re: quinoa at the supermarket ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-08-11 07:41:02 EDT, you write: << dreamers I was in the supermarket last night and what did I see but quinoa! 'South-American grain & staple of the Incas...' so that's what quinoa is! lars >> Yes. I saw this too! I had no idea. When I first saw it, I did a double take. I saw it a half a year ago. I'm almost tempted to try it. :) Yum!!!!!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 9:17 pm Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Grant Middleton was emotionally biased by men of the Second Foundation to say: > > > >The present-day MIDI > > > keyboards don't do what I want, such as the sweeping stuff that can only be > > > done by turning knobs; adding and removing notes from a sequencer loop > > > on-the-fly, things that made Encore '77 great! > > There are two MIDI sequencer boxes which emulate the features > of the best of the analogue devices. Ask Paul Nagle about > them if you're interested. > > > Ah, the new-generation keyboards are FULLY MIDI-compatible and have knobs > > all over. Ever taken a REALLY close look at a Waldorf Wave? > > It's the 'compromises' of the old keyboards that made them great, > and still make them exciting. Because they had no memory to > store patch settings, all the parameters were immediately > available so if you feel inspired, you can grab that filter > cutoff knob and make that sound we all know and love. > > Of course, there are many disadvantages with the old gear, including > tuning and the above-mentioned lack of memory. TD have mentioned they have a couple of 'tuning-stabilised' Minimoogs in their gear, though just what modifications were done to them is something I am ignorant of. > Many modern keyboards are exciting because they're starting to > adopt the 'hands-on' approach again. The Korg Prophecy and > Nord Lead spring to mind as fully-MIDI'd fully DIGITAL devices > which capture the excitement of the 'old days'. Yes, and that is precisely how they are being used :( > Jarre said that he pulled out all his old gear and was so > excited that he made Oxygene 7-13. He also said that he > couldn't have made the album without some '90s technology > (in the shape of Nord Lead and Raven keyboards), '80s > technology (in the shape of Linn and Roland drum machines) > and '70s technology (all the analogue gear). > > > 'Ah, modern violins don't have what I want, the gut strings that give a > > more distinctive, less sinuous sound and the special varnish mixes that > > gave such great sonority, things that made Brandenburg Concertos 1720s > > great!' > > This made me smile, but I'm afraid the rhetoric is better > than the sentiments deserve. > > More convenience doesn't necessarily equate to a better > sound. The Yamaha DX7 and the Korg M1 were the workhorses > of cabaret bands the world over. Push a button and you've > got a very useable piano or strings or bass or brass > sound. But try to make them electronic space instruments > and what happens ? Their sonic shortcomings start to > become apparent. Give me a monophonic, non-programmable, > KEYBOARDLESS VCS3 instead. Isn't the DX7 Brian Eno's favourite synth? Got to be a reason for that. I was informed that the DX7 was rather arcane to use, which is what pushed it down the sample-box route, but, spend a month or two trying to learn its programming system, and it could produce incrdible FM timbres. And doesn't the finale of Schulze's _Dome Event_ include a solo on a very rough, analog-sounding M1 patch (which I believe Eno has used also, on _Nerve Net_)? > I can't comment on the sonic properties of gut versus > whatever they use these days, but if gut sounds better > then its use would surely be justified, especially in a > studio setting. Well, the best rendition of Pachelbel's canon I've ever heard was done by an orchestra using modern instruments. Most baroque-oriented ensembles I've heard, while they may have the right historical sound and tuning, approach this work (old warhorse that it is) with little or no sense of tempo or feeling for what it should be, most try to ram through it all in 4 minutes or less these days. To take an example closer to modern times, Daft Punk may have all the old gear and know every funky retro-techno trick in the book, but their music is incredibly simplistic and banal. Compare this to the organic, ever-changing flow or _Dream Mixes_. Or, to take one more example: where does Bach really sound better? On an organ with 19th century timbres or 17th century ones? The 17th century instrument is obviously 'the element' for such music, but badly-played Bach on a baroque organ is still badly-played Bach. What kind of intrument does Messiaen's music sound better on? What do you find more interesting? The softer tones and greater power of 19th and 20th Century instruments, or the more incisive timbres and (to modern ears) off-kilter tuning of an older instrument--which, depending on your state of mind, either gives it a dissonance it shouldn't have (or consonance it shouldn't have), or enhances the bizarre feeling of the music? > > No they haven't, they keep it all stowed away and take out what they need > > when they want. > > Well, they don't have Chris's modular Moog, which made > up a large part of their '70s sound and arguably led > to the birth of the trancey sequencer style. Chris was not the only one with a modular Moog. I'm quite sure Edgar and Johannes had some also--I seem to remember them in equipment lists for _Poland_ probably not as large and heavily customised to be sure--but for sure they have the old Jupiters, PPG Waves, and Projekt Electronic stuff--other 'essential' parts of their 70s and 80s sounds. > So, do instruments maketh the band ? > > Well, listen to Phaedra in its original and its '90s > form. No contest. Listen to 'Stratosfear' and its 1986, 1994, and 1995 forms. No contest. (Try to guess which one THAT way is going) > Try to imagine 'Smoke on the Water' played on a flute > instead of a heavily metallic guitar. No contest. Can't imagine something I've not heard... > 'music'. Think about it - when was the last time > TD played with the texture of a single note or > chord and made that the focus of the piece ? Tell > me it wasn't on 'Encore', 20 years ago ?*!?*@! Yes, and they laid the groundwork for hundreds of others to do it in the 20 years since. Why spend 20 years stuggling to outdo something everyone latches on to like magnets to iron? (Why, oh why, do we keep rehashing the same story...) > Grant > > Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6495 Re: Instruments maketh the band? feldon@p... Tue 8/12/1997 5 KB 6506 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Paul Nagle Tue 8/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 9:33 pm Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-08-11 04:39:49 EDT, you write: << Quick, quick, point the camera over here. No, never mind the fight between the Yeti and Bigfoot, there's a woman on the Tadream mailing list!!! >> I thought the Yeti was Bigfoot! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 9:31 pm Subject: Celestial Navigations(No TD content) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... I have a CD called Celestial Navigations. It is a New Agey type of album. The musicians are Geoff Levin, Geoffrey Lewis, Chris Many. The cd was only played once. It has a pretty cool cover. There are 8 tracks on the album, which have spoken words over the music, that tell a story. The tracks are: 1 The Intersection 2 The Janitor 3 Horses 4 Space Princess 5 The Ocean 6 The Loser 7 The Wall 8 The Valley I'm willing to part with it to anyone who would like to make an offer. You can e-mail me at TangerineC@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 11, 1997 11:26 pm Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 05:17 PM 8/11/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > Many modern keyboards are exciting because they're starting to >> adopt the 'hands-on' approach again. The Korg Prophecy and >> Nord Lead spring to mind as fully-MIDI'd fully DIGITAL devices >> which capture the excitement of the 'old days'. > >Yes, and that is precisely how they are being used :( What's the problem? It is general consensus that there is a growing group of e-music that don't like it when musicians use standard publicly available patchbays. It's boring and simplistic. Dream Mixes not only harnessed unusual samples and instrument sounds, it had the sequencing that we know and love. >> 'music'. Think about it - when was the last time >> TD played with the texture of a single note or >> chord and made that the focus of the piece ? Tell >> me it wasn't on 'Encore', 20 years ago ?*!?*@! > >Yes, and they laid the groundwork for hundreds of others to do it in the >20 years since. Why spend 20 years stuggling to outdo something everyone >latches on to like magnets to iron? Frankly, it doesn't matter what happened historically, there simply aren't enough hours of recorded material from the 'sequencing years' of TD. Even if I have to struggle to learn how to use all this archaic (incredible, beautiful, etc.) equipment to create them myself. 1977-1985 just ain't enough music for me. This is not a quest to outdo anyone. Just a quest to get lost in sequences. Why should ANYONE be criticized for wanting to use old equipment when the new equipment sounds doesn't turn certain artists on. And please don't give me the BS: it's what you do with the equipment that counts... I don't care. There were hundreds of people lining up in the streets to hear the first moogs and mellotrons, as marvels of technology. My dad was one of these people. He just went to these technology expos and they had these things creating all kinds of wonderful, but by today, simplistic sounds. The sound was analog and subject to warbling, fading, tweaking, and generally sounding imperfect. Example A: Digital drums sound the same every time. But hit a real cymbal a hundred times and you will hear 100 very similar but not identical waveforms. Must we drag on and on? No-one should be criticized for what they choose to do musically (unless it just sucks :)). The evidence is not in the equipment, the evidence is in the FAVORITE albums selected everytime we go around the carosel. 1977-1985. To steal a speech: 'Let us not judge people by the vintage of their equipment, but instead judge them by the content of their music.' Morgan feldon@p... P.S. Arlo Guthrie is a perfect example of this. He started with himself and his guitar, and the audience. That's it. Then he got a backup band and sort of disappeared musically for about 15 years (in my opinion). He did a video in 1985 with all kinds of people in it. I didn't like it much. Then he came here to Houston with himself, his son, two guitars and two keyboards. It was a night to remember. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 12:37 am Subject: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Amadeo J. Szaszdi' Age: 54 Favorite albums: Tangram, Hyperborea, Sorcerer Location: Falls Church, VA First Exposure: Baumann's 'Romance 76' led me to buy 'Force Majeure' and 'Cyclone', sometime in 1979. Frank From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 7:55 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:58:08 +0200 (MET DST), you wrote: Age : 32 Favourite Albums : Pergamon, Rubycon, Force Majeure Favourite B**ts: Me-Rad, Soundtrack for Fantasy, Sombambulistic Imagery First Exposure: 1980 - watched Sorcerer Location : Courtice Ontario, Canada From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 1:37 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jinsuk Kim What a simple & nice poll to participate! :-) Here goes my first posting: Age: 27 Favorite albums: Tangram, Encore, Logos Location: Seoul, Korea jinsuk Kim jindor@m... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 2:45 am Subject: PAul HAslinger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Was those Planetary Traveler and or Lost Temples Videos /CDs ever released? MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 3:25 am Subject: Re:(Yeti another) Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-08-11 17:51:08 EDT, you write: << << Quick, quick, point the camera over here. No, never mind the fight between the Yeti and Bigfoot, there's a woman on the Tadream mailing list!!! >> I thought the Yeti was Bigfoot! >> No, although they are 'cousins', the Yeti is the white-haired Asian creature native to the Himalayas; the Bigfoot is the dark-haired creature native to the remote wooded areas of North America. Both are dangerous... and closely resemble Edgar's lawyers:-) Haven't you ever watched Jonny Quest? :-D BTW: Whatever became of the D:List Rareties project? Graf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6502 Re: (Yeti another) Age Poll feldon@p... Tue 8/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 3:37 am Subject: D:Raven ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I guess I'll step forward to post yet another short review (more of a comment) of a Chris Franke release - this time 'Raven'. I guess Phil N. holds the record in the Franke review department. Yes, this is a long 'D:' thread on Franke, but so what. Well, many have said that this album is terrible. I guess this opinion could be easily formulated if your were expecting Christopher's electronic music. This is far from it - a contemporary electronic, pop, rock, lounge music album with a few good classic electronic tracks. His first major break away from the music which you'd expect from him. The next MAJOR surprise is Pacific Blue, but we'll get to that in a few weeks. But anyway, I actually like this album and I listen to it with more pleasure (and more often) than many of his other releases. Kind of an album that you could just throw on the CD player while doing other things. I would disagree that this album is only for Franke completists, and I recommend it (at YOUR own risk). I rate this 3AS easily. So there. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6511 Re: D:Raven Gaza Grand Master of Gazitsu Tue 8/12/1997 4 KB 6593 Re: D:Raven PNaunton@a... Thu 8/14/1997 3 KB 6595 Re: D:Raven Vic Rek Thu 8/14/1997 3 KB 6618 Re: D:Raven PNaunton@a... Fri 8/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 3:48 am Subject: Re:(Yeti another) Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:25 PM 8/11/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... > >BTW: Whatever became of the D:List Rareties project? It appears to have been shelved upon the posting to the list of a quote from an e-music magazine(this is not an exact quote--trust my memory!): 'We have started our own label 6 months ago, TDI and will begin releasing something like 25 hours of unreleased music very shortly.' It is also stated on the webpage that TDI will be re-releasing Johannes Schmoelling's Zoo of Tranquility and perhaps other albums. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 12:25 am Subject: D:Raven and/or Enchanting Nature ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) So, somebody wants to know what we think of these 2 CF works? I only speak for myself, but both of those CD's of mine now reside in a box full of other CD's that will not ever be listened to by me. Had I been able to listen to them before I bought them, I certainly wouldn't have wasted the money on those 2. I think my cd player was insulted that I even put them in there. My alarm clock sounds much better than those 2. But hey ! that's just my opinion, and we all know about those, right ? Steve np: Software - 'FragrancE' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6504 Re: D:Raven and/or Enchanting Nature Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 8/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 4:32 am Subject: Re: D:Raven and/or Enchanting Nature ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 12:25 AM 8/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >So, somebody wants to know what we think of these 2 CF works? >I only speak for myself, but both of those CD's of mine now reside >in a box full of other CD's that will not ever be listened to by me. [....] A man of my own heart....now all I want to know where will you put Software's 'Fragrance?' Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 9:40 am Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: Grant Middleton > Some hard-fought opinions here, so look out! >Well, listen to Phaedra in its original and its '90s >form. No contest. Edgar has expressed many times before that these reworkings are exactly that - an alternative view of an old idea using the tools of today. As such, there is bound to be a difference. Heck, that's what he was doing - there's no point in sampling the whole thing and replaying it with new equipment. The project of re-investigating or re-exploring the entity that is Phaedra was all about re-assessing what had been produced before and re-phrasing it. Secondly, on most occassions when you compare two pieces which are believed to be the same (even if they are not), there is a very high probability that the original will be the favourite. This assumes, of course, that the listener heard the original first and, most typically, has been listening to it for a number of years prior to hearing the 'new' version. Unfortunately, short of approaching a complete stranger who has heard neither version and playing them both pieces side-by-side, we can't say for sure. Given your attraction to the style of music TD were producing at that time of Phaedra '74, and your eveidnt and much-publicised distaste for the music TD produced at the time of Phaedra '94, it is no surprise you prefer the former over the latter. But that's only your opinion, and not fact. I believe (or hope) there are a number of people like myself who enjoy both versions. I also know there are various people who prefer the new to the old versions, particularly of Stratosfear. > >Sounds ARE an important part of the final effect a >piece has on you, especially in space music. In the >area of rock and pop, the sounds are arguably less >important and I reckon that as Edgar is trying to >steer TD (ie trying to steer himself and his son) >back to a rock format, they are contenting themselves >with sounds from 'convenient' keyboards which >are 'good enough' for what they want to do. Also, >it would seem that Edgar no longer considers a >single note being swept by a phase shifter to be >'music'. Think about it - when was the last time >TD played with the texture of a single note or >chord and made that the focus of the piece ? Tell >me it wasn't on 'Encore', 20 years ago ?*!?*@! > Doesn't that tell you (us) something about the band? They've been around for 30 years - started off, for the first 6 or 7 years (till 1974, say) playing very abstract, experimental music, often using traditional instruments in non-traditional ways. Maybe only for the next 5 years did they play 'space' music, before moving on to more melodic times, first with Schmoelling and then with Haslinger. And by the time we reached 1990, they had moved well away from that space music and were almost back to their roots, playing rock. To my mind, this means that TD were only a 'space' music group for 16% of their lifetime. If it is 20 years since they played thst type of music, doesn't it suggest that it is your categorisation of their music that is at fault? That it is your expectation that is misplaced? I would say that fans who heard Cyclone after Phaedra, Rubycon, Ricochet, Stratosfear (less so), Encore and Sorceror would have had more right to cry foul. 'What have they done? Where are those long, spacey passages? What's with the vocals?' But you can't keep asking the same questions, making the same old demands after 20 years and some 40 albums! Just because I speak a few words of French doesn't make me a Frenchman. Just because TD produced a few electronic/spacey/sequencer albums doesn't make that an electronic/spacey/sequencer band! Oooh, I feel all giddy now. Did any of that make sense? ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6510 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Grant Middleton Tue 8/12/1997 4 KB 6512 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Gabe Yedid Tue 8/12/1997 4 KB 6519 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Grant Middleton Tue 8/12/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 3:27 pm Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle >Can't imagine something I've not heard... And you can't 'imagine' something you have. >(Why, oh why, do we keep rehashing the same story...) Dunno about you but it's cos I'm a sad gettalife kinda guy who spends his day hanging out on the net as a real alternative to grafting for a living... 8-) Paul NP Asana: Trikuti (and it's bloody marvellous!) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 11/08/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 5:20 am Subject: Tadream -- 'WHO' command >>SAVE<< ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. 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Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > Your's truely (Mark Filipak) wrote: > > > > Between March of 69 when Edgar, Kurt, Sven, and Volker broke up > > and September of 69 when Klaus joined Edgar, TD existed for a four > > month period with Edgar and two guys described only as 'a Liverpool > > drummer named Paul' and 'a Dutch bass player.' Who were these two > > people, what were the four months that they were part of TD, and > > what TV show did they do music for? > > That would be Paul Wheeler and Steve Leuwen. According to my > information, TD was _not_ a band during that period. They may have > been together and played in private, but I show no activity between > March and Sept. 69. The TV show was 'Geradeaus bis zum Morgen' but > didn't premiere until '72. Band members at the time were Froese, > Franke & Baumann. The pre-1970 stuff is pretty murky, especially > trying to put any of it in exact order. Of the pre-EM lineup, only > Sven seems to feature heavily in their history. Thanks for the info Scott. How much do you want for your book again (Plug! Plug!) and where do I send the money? BTW, my info says that 'Geradeaus bis zum Morgen' was indeed recorded by EF/CF/PB in 1972, but the TV show I speak of above was done during the middle of 1969 by EF/SL/PW (thanks to you, I now have names). To our German friends: Anybody in Germany know about this show aired in 1969? Supposedly, TD (Edgar Froese, Steve Leuwen, and Paul Wheeler) did the music but didn't appear in the show. I've also read that they did some club dates during the mid 69 period. Anybody have any info on this? Cheers -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6536 Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music Marcel Engels Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 8:43 am Subject: Age Poll thing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: G.N.P.Sutton@s... Age : 35.82, Location : UK, Bedfordshire (near Big Les Wade) Fan since :1982, Online since : Jan 1996. First exposure : Logos album + tour at Sheffield City Hall (I still have my autographed program from that show) Fav 3 albums : Logos, Underwater Sunlight, Melrose Regs, Nigels. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 10:44 am Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Just because I speak a few words of French > doesn't make me a Frenchman. Just > because TD produced a few electronic/spacey/sequencer > albums doesn't make that an electronic/spacey/sequencer band! > > Oooh, I feel all giddy now. Did any of that make sense? The whole thing made a lot of sense, Craig. Thanks for taking the time to write your thoughts down. Yes, TD were only a space band for 16% of their time. The fact that keeps gnawing away at me is that they were without doubt the BEST space music band of all time. They produced the BEST electronic music, the BEST space music, the BEST sequencer music. Hell, they made the best ALBUM of all time in the shape of Rubycon. Then they decided they'd had enough, or something. I too, can't get enough 74-82 period TD. When Coefficient of Aural Expansion pt 1 came out, it just made me wonder how many more 'undiscovered classics' there were from that era. It looks like Edgar has absolutely no intention of going back. The chemistry would be completely different, even if Froese, Franke and Baumann got together at the Manor, anyway. They're a pretty dull (to me) lite-rock band now. So why am I going to see them in Glasgow ? To pay homage to the Man, who after all made a large contribution to those albums I love so much. Also, to get my LP version of Rubycon signed ! :) Grunt PS For all those '70s-heads out there, my first CD release will be available very, very soon. Analogue heaven. Watch this space. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6512 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Gabe Yedid Tue 8/12/1997 4 KB 6519 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Grant Middleton Tue 8/12/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 6:26 pm Subject: Re: D:Raven ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gaza Grand Master of Gazitsu tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Vic Rek > > > Well, many have said that this album is terrible. I guess this opinion > could be easily formulated if your were expecting Christopher's electronic > music. This is far from it - a contemporary electronic, pop, rock, lounge > music album with a few good classic electronic tracks. His first major > break away from the music which you'd expect from him. > > But anyway, I actually like this album and I listen to it with more pleasure > (and more often) than many of his other releases. I would disagree > that this album is only for Franke completists, and I recommend it (at YOUR > own risk). I rate this 3AS easily. So there. > > Vic Well I got side with Phil I am a big C. Franke fan but I think Raven is awfull. I think a lot of the his solo work has broken away from what was expected but I have welcomed it all (yes even universal soldier) but Raven ugh . It is IMHO bland and extremely dated ie 1980's pop rock. I will keep my copy but I doubt it will ever finds its way back on my CD player well unless my wife plays it cos she likes it but then again she's into stuff like M.Bolton need I say more. Gaza From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 12:20 pm Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Grant Middleton > > > > Yes, TD were only a space band for 16% of their time. The > fact that keeps gnawing away at me is that they were without > doubt the BEST space music band of all time. They produced > the BEST electronic music, the BEST space music, the BEST > sequencer music. Hell, they made the best ALBUM of all > time in the shape of Rubycon. Then they decided they'd had > enough, or something. Right, they'd seen it, done it, bought the t-shirt (which they made, too), and decided to spin others through the loom. There are legions of Schulze fans who'd love to argue this point with you, but I'm not one of them. I have just never been able to get into Schulze's music, no matter how hard I tried. Kind of like me and opera... > It looks like Edgar has absolutely no intention > of going back. The chemistry would be completely different, > even if Froese, Franke and Baumann got together at the > Manor, anyway. Indeed, it's highly doubtful they are all still on speaking terms. > They're a pretty dull (to me) lite-rock band now. So why > am I going to see them in Glasgow ? To pay homage to the > Man, who after all made a large contribution to those > albums I love so much. 'The Man' who founded TD, or 'The Man' who no longer plays with them? > Also, to get my LP version of Rubycon signed ! :) What if only Jerome or Emil Hachfeld are available to sign? > Grunt Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6519 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Grant Middleton Tue 8/12/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 12:45 pm Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Aug 12, 10:44am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? > Really-From: Grant Middleton > > > > Just because I speak a few words of French > > doesn't make me a Frenchman. Just > > because TD produced a few electronic/spacey/sequencer > > albums doesn't make that an electronic/spacey/sequencer band! > > > > Oooh, I feel all giddy now. Did any of that make sense? > > The whole thing made a lot of sense, Craig. Thanks for > taking the time to write your thoughts down. > > Yes, TD were only a space band for 16% of their time. The > fact that keeps gnawing away at me is that they were without > doubt the BEST space music band of all time. They produced > the BEST electronic music, the BEST space music, the BEST > sequencer music. Hell, they made the best ALBUM of all > time in the shape of Rubycon. Then they decided they'd had > enough, or something. > (...) Thanks, Grant, for expressing my exact feelings and saving me the trouble of writing the same thing. Having Tangerine Dream doing something other than space/sequencer music is like having Jacques Villeneuve or Michael Schumacher giving up Formula 1 racing to become professional tennis player; they *could* be good at that too, but the best? C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6518 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Gabe Yedid Tue 8/12/1997 3 KB 6523 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB 6525 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Grant Middleton Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB 6527 Re: Instruments maketh the band? feldon@p... Tue 8/12/1997 6 KB 6521 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Wed 8/13/1997 6 KB 6545 Happy old codger (was Re: Instruments maketh the Grant Middleton Wed 8/13/1997 9 KB 6548 Re: Happy old codger Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Wed 8/13/1997 8 KB 6549 Re: Happy old codger Grant Middleton Wed 8/13/1997 8 KB 6552 Re: Jerome? feldon@p... Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 12:57 pm Subject: (Yeti another) D: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... >BTW: Whatever became of the D:List Rareties project? This topic sounds interesting to me. Maybe it could be the next continuation of the 'D:' thread after the 'D:Solo' discussions end in Feb. 1998. So around early 1998 I suggest we start discussions on what to do next with the 'D:' thread and who will volunteer to post the topics. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 1:02 pm Subject: Digital Gothic - an initial impression ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) To whose who asked... I have had the book in my possession for all of 40 minutes, what follows should be read in that context and forms a description rather than a review. The author begins by describing the his brief, 'a discography of a band who have released more than 70 albums'. He then goes on to place TD in the context of electronic music - with some description of technological developments. The remainder of the book is split into four phases (1965-1973, 1974-1980, 1980-1990, 1990-1996). For each phase there is a biography and a discography - where each album is described and reviewed (track by track in places). So far I have only looked at some of the discographies. I don't agree with all of what is written (but then we know from this list how opinions can vary!) but the reviews appear to be thoughtfully written and the opinions balanced. Other comments - not many photos (costs?), and no reference to bootleg recordings (deliberate - but maybe later). The acknowledgements include Voyager magazine (and at least one list member) as well as the Froeses. As I said before, these comments are based on only the most preliminary read and probably do not do justice to the book. However, I would say that there appears to be more than enough material here to keep me happy - so in conclusion a tenner well spent. Alan Stump, Paul Digital gothic - A critical discography of Tangerine Dream Published SAF pub. Price 9.95 UKP isbn 0 946719 18 7 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 1:37 pm Subject: [NO TD Content] Front Line Assembly lyrics on the Net? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid There's got to be at least *1* other Front Line Assembly fan on this list... Does anybody happen to know if the lyrics for the songs on FLA's _Live Wired_ are available anywhere on the Net, via FTP or the Web? thanks Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 2:33 pm Subject: Gearing up for disappointment? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 The TD web-page states that TD are currently on holiday. They start their UK tour in late October. Someone (Edgar and Emil, via diffeent sources, I think)previously said that they were going to be recording a new studio album this year. The set TD played on their recent European tour was very close to the one played at last year's 'one-off' at Shepherd's Bush. Will the UK tour be a 'repeat' of the Shepherd's Bush/European tour, or will there be a new set? Will there be new music from a new studio album being recorded as we speak? Am I gearing myself up for a disappointment? I know that no-one can answer these questions for definite - I'm just curious as to everyone's expectations of our favourite instrument-made band over the next 6 months. ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6520 Re: Gearing up for disappointment? Gabe Yedid Tue 8/12/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 2:03 pm Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > > Thanks, Grant, for expressing my exact feelings and saving me the > trouble of writing the same thing. Having Tangerine Dream doing > something other than space/sequencer music is like having Jacques > Villeneuve or Michael Schumacher giving up Formula 1 racing to become > professional tennis player; they *could* be good at that too, but > the best? I don't think they are consciously trying to be the best band at any style they attempt. That just happened to be their fortune when they were doing space, and they should be commended for having the courage to move on, instead of counting their blessings and being the best over and over in the same medium. It's comments like these that make me think no other band is so misunderstood by its fan base as is TD. > C.B. Vincent Goudreault Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6523 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB 6525 Re: Instruments maketh the band? Grant Middleton Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB 6527 Re: Instruments maketh the band? feldon@p... Tue 8/12/1997 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 3:07 pm Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > > doubt the BEST space music band of all time. They produced > > the BEST electronic music, the BEST space music, the BEST > > There are legions of Schulze fans who'd love to argue this point with > you, but I'm not one of them. I have just never been able to get into > Schulze's music, no matter how hard I tried. Kind of like me and opera... Actually, now you mention it, I'd say that Timewind was more spacey than anything TD ever did. Funny old world innit ? I still say TD made the best electronic music ever, though. > > Why am I going to see them in Glasgow ? To pay homage to the > > Man, who after all made a large contribution to those > > albums I love so much. > > 'The Man' who founded TD, or 'The Man' who no longer plays with them? What good would going to Glasgow do if I wanted to pay homage to 'The Man' who no longer plays with them ? (I take it that you mean Chris). Of course I bl**dy well mean Edgar ! > > Also, to get my LP version of Rubycon signed ! :) > > What if only Jerome or Emil Hachfeld are available to sign? Jerome could sign beside his mugshot in the leaves ! :) Then he could say 'Wow, that was really cool. Even though Rubycon is your fave album and I didn't play on it, you think I'm worthy of signing it.' Then he'd say 'Listen up Mr Middleton, why don't you pop over to Berlin later on this year and we'll give you all the mastertapes from the '70s - Dad's been looking for the right guy to remaster them with love and care.' Dream on......... Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 2:58 pm Subject: Re: Gearing up for disappointment? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > > > > The TD web-page states that TD are currently on holiday. It's about time, I say! > They start their UK tour in late October. Someone (Edgar and Emil, via > diffeent sources, I think)previously said that they were going to be > recording a new studio album this year. The set TD played on their > recent European tour was very close to the one played at last year's >'one-off' at Shepherd's Bush. and they will be playing the Bush again this year...perhaps with almost the same set... > Will the UK tour be a 'repeat' of the Shepherd's Bush/European tour, or will > there be a new set? Will there be new music from a new studio album being > recorded as we speak? Am I gearing myself up for a disappointment? It's always possible they would record the album *after* the UK tour; that should take a matter of no more than 1 month, I'd guess. If that's what they do, I don't know if I could hazard a guess as to whether they'd whet your appetite even a little at the concert, Craig. On another (but related note), I know I sounded off at the amount of old 'greatest hits' material a few months back, but it hadn't occurred to me at the time that TD will be 30 this year(!), and that is actually a pretty good retrospective format for such a momentous event ;) > I know that no-one can answer these questions for definite - I'm just curious > as to everyone's expectations of our favourite instrument-made band over the > next 6 months. Personally I'll be surprised if the new album is out before the UK tour. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 4:01 pm Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > >> Really-From: Grant Middleton [ my original comments snipped ] >> Yes, TD were only a space band for 16% of their time. The >> fact that keeps gnawing away at me is that they were without >> doubt the BEST space music band of all time. They produced >> the BEST electronic music, the BEST space music, the BEST >> sequencer music. Hell, they made the best ALBUM of all >> time in the shape of Rubycon. Then they decided they'd had >> enough, or something. >> >(...) > >Thanks, Grant, for expressing my exact feelings and saving me the >trouble of writing the same thing. Having Tangerine Dream doing >something other than space/sequencer music is like having Jacques >Villeneuve or Michael Schumacher giving up Formula 1 racing to become >professional tennis player; they *could* be good at that too, but >the best? Whilst the sentiment and analogy are interesting and valid to a point, I think they make a major and incorrect assumption - that TD wanted to be the best electronic/space/sequencer band in the world. Villeneuve and Schumacher are unlikely to leave their preferred occupation because, presumably, it is what they want to do, perhaps what they have always wanted to do. They have reached the pinnacle of the motor-sport world, have proved themselves to be amongst the very best in the world ever, and have basked in the fame, fortune and glory that it brings. But what if Schumacher actually wants to be a long-distance lorry driver? He loves driving - that is his passion. Not driving fast, or racing against people, but just driving. Sure, he gets a buzz from driving fast, but there are other types of driving he is eager to experience. And perhaps he may feel that driving an 18-wheeler across the winding, twisting routes of central Europe may be as exciting and fulfilling as his racing experiences. The initial reaction of fans of Formula 1 in general, and fans of Schumacher's style in particular, would be predictable - disbelief, concern for the man's sanity, closely followed by a feeling of betrayal. 'It won't last' they'll say. 'He'll be back. He must, because he's the best and everyone loves him.' Twenty years later, Michael has a fleet of long-distance lorries, hauling goods across the land. He's too old and settled down now to go for the long trans-continental journeys, but once in a while he takes a short drive through Germany and Austria, just for the buzz that driving gives him, and he is happy and content. Back in the motor-sport world, people's thoughts still return to the master Schumacher. Many new drivers have come and gone - some almost as good, some almost copying his driving style, but Michael has never shown any interest in the sport since his departure. People say that he would be able to start his own team, get back into the sport that way, like Niki Lauda and Alain Prost did, but Michael's never tempted. Why not? Is there something wrong with him? Edgar and co. may have been (or may still be) the best space/electronic/sequencer band in the world, ever. But maybe that wasn't what he was (they were) after - their real passion lay elsewhere. Sure, whilst it was happening it was great fun and they also basked in the fame, fortune and glory of reaching that pinnacle, but his real heart's desire lay in expanding and exploring beyond that. The world is full of people who are very good at what they do. A few of them do what they are good at for long enough to make enough money to allow them to do what they really want to do. The two are not necessarily the same. ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6545 Happy old codger (was Re: Instruments maketh the Grant Middleton Wed 8/13/1997 9 KB 6548 Re: Happy old codger Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Wed 8/13/1997 8 KB 6549 Re: Happy old codger Grant Middleton Wed 8/13/1997 8 KB 6552 Re: Jerome? feldon@p... Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB 6581 Re: Jerome? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 8/14/1997 5 KB 6563 Re: Happy old codger (was Re: Instruments maketh Gabe Yedid Wed 8/13/1997 9 KB 6584 Re: Happy old codger Grant Middleton Thu 8/14/1997 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 3:19 pm Subject: Re: WGTB FM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Shipley In regards to the DJ announcing the concert at the Lisner Auditorium: I believe that it was Cerphe (later to be found on the rival prog-rock station WHFS) that did the announcement. I don't know if he was with GTB or HFS at the time. (Ahhh, the days when DC had multiple progressive FM stations to choose from!) I think he is still active in the DC area, maybe Baltimore? (I used to know, about four years ago, before I moved to the great radio wasteland that is Atlanta. Although Z93 had a prog-rock weekend that had TD & JMJ onnit, amongst others..) obCDPlayer: Merge / In The Lap Of The Gods (like Logos? BUY THIS NOW!!) Craig Shipley craigs@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 4:27 pm Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > >I don't think they are consciously trying to be the best band at any >style they attempt. That just happened to be their fortune when they >were doing space, and they should be commended for having the courage to >move on, instead of counting their blessings and being the best over and >over in the same medium. > >It's comments like these that make me think no other band is so misunderstood >by its fan base as is TD. You 'n' me, Gabe! Where's MarkF? I thought he'd be into this. ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 3:35 pm Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Aug 12, 10:03am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > > > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > > > > > Thanks, Grant, for expressing my exact feelings and saving me the > > trouble of writing the same thing. Having Tangerine Dream doing > > something other than space/sequencer music is like having Jacques > > Villeneuve or Michael Schumacher giving up Formula 1 racing to become > > professional tennis player; they *could* be good at that too, but > > the best? > > I don't think they are consciously trying to be the best band at any > style they attempt. That just happened to be their fortune when they > were doing space, and they should be commended for having the courage to > move on, instead of counting their blessings and being the best over and > over in the same medium. 'Consciously trying to be the best'??? Well, at least they tried to be *good* though they achieved *best* status maybe not by being better than the other ones, but rather by having other bands not being quite so good. Still, they moved on -- and I am not going to blame them for it, it was their decision. Perhaps they would have been producing pure garbage as space music had they not moved on, but I, for one, still wonder what else they would have come up with had they kept doing what they did better than anyone else, before or since. As far as being 'best over and over in the same medium', what is wrong with that? Also, what prevented them for doing both (doing some space music from time to time while also exploring new avenues)? Of course, their output volume would have been less in either style if the total would have been the same, but that would have put a major grin on fans like me. What you are saying, then, is that you would have missed what came later, because this is what *YOU* prefer. > > It's comments like these that make me think no other band is so misunderstood > by its fan base as is TD. > Let's say that this band covered more territory than most other, and brought a unique vision to most of what they did. One is bound to have a favorite period -- usually the style prevalent at the time one discovered the band -- and would consider other styles as departures from the most liked, and would feel a loss. I have been a fan of TD since almost their beginning: I view newer styles as 'things that came after' and remember the 'good old days' with nostalgia. You, my young friend, came to it later and could thus see that previous 'space age' phase as a contribution, a path that took them to their current sound, and would appreciate it as a 'root to what is'. Same image, different perspective. I enjoy their more recent music, but miss their old style, because no one can do it as well. At least, I have to be grateful to live in this area, where recording medium allows (nearly) flawless rendition. I'll never hear Bach played by the master himself and those who had the chance to hear it are long gone, but TD music is with us for good. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6528 Interesting contradictions in my own thinking (wa Gabe Yedid Tue 8/12/1997 8 KB 6546 Jack of all trades or master of none? Paul Nagle Wed 8/13/1997 4 KB 6547 Re: Jack of all trades or master of none? Grant Middleton Wed 8/13/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 4:31 pm Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > I don't think they are consciously trying to be the best band at any > style they attempt. On the contrary, any band that doesn't try to be the best is just being plain lazy, whether it's in Rock, Pop, Country, Punk or Electronic. What possible reason would there be for tryig to be /less/ than the best in their field ? > That just happened to be their fortune when they > were doing space, and they should be commended for having the courage to > move on, instead of counting their blessings and being the best over and > over in the same medium. Commended for depriving their fans of even more great albums ??? Maybe we should commend Paul McCartney for forming Wings instead of producing _yet another_ great Beatles album. Fan : 'Phew, thanks Paul. We were nearly in danger of you guys making another Sgt Peppers. That was close !' I'm sorry, Gabe, but I really can't see the move away from doing 'the same old great albums over and over again' as a good thing. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 4:06 pm Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Aug 12, 4:01pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? (...) > > Whilst the sentiment and analogy are interesting and valid to a point, I think > they make a major and incorrect assumption - that TD wanted to be the best > electronic/space/sequencer band in the world. That is besides the point: the fact that they embarked in that style -- surely a hard one, since fame and money lay in other styles (Spice Girls, anyone?) -- means that they wanted it. Being good at it is quite subjective, unless one equates *good* with *success*, so some people may think that Yanny is the best new age musician (Augh!). (...) > > The world is full of people who are very good at what they do. A few of them do > what they are good at for long enough to make enough money to allow them to do > what they really want to do. The two are not necessarily the same. I agree with you, but that still does not fulfill my need for that old style music. Call me selfish if you may. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 4:49 pm Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 10:03 AM 8/12/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > >I don't think they are consciously trying to be the best band at any >style they attempt. That just happened to be their fortune when they >were doing space, and they should be commended for having the courage to >move on, instead of counting their blessings and being the best over and >over in the same medium. > >It's comments like these that make me think no other band is so misunderstood >by its fan base as is TD. Wow, you've really opened yourself to a flamewar... I'll be gentile. When I first read your reply, I remembered a Far Side cartoon. 'I'm tired of you being called Alexander the Pretty Good! Stand up for yourself!' Any group that doesn't aspire to create at the very least good music and as the best a *religious experience* is a waste of airwaves, plastic, and vinyl. Maybe musicians are motivated by money, but they got into the business because at least *one* of the members was artistically and creativly endowed. Honestly, I think every major contributing member of TD has more than a monetary interest in music. I could be wrong. But no-one would go through the sh*t that TD has had to go through in its early years when synthesizers had a mind of their own; because of love of money... Here's a bit of junior psychology...take with a grain of salt at least 1 meter^2... Music groups split up for lots of reasons, stress, a member doesn't feel like they're getting enough of the spotlight, a member wants to play a different style, etc. Maybe what musicians need to do is give themselves time to back off and re-group. It seems to me that Edgar has been driving TD at 90mph since 1967... Well, it's long overdue for a new transmission, oil change, and new pistons... If Edgar had put the car in the barn for a few months in 1983 or 84, Schmoelling would probably have stayed. Same for Chris... TD were buying so much equipment that they had to play constantly to pay the bills... And I agree with the general sentiment (at least as far as I hear on the list) that TD has consisted of Edgar and smiling faces for the past 9 years... Evidence of this is clearly documented by Tangents, Dream Roots, and the Zoning soundtrack. These were all done by Edgar with minimal help from others. (It's funny that the two best tracks on Zoning '94 were both co-composed by Jerome) As I am only repeating what's already been said, TD needs one or two people to 'rock the boat' and offer a totally different angle on things. TD is starting to sound like everyone else. I mean, it's one thing to look at people who only like the 74-84 TD as crazy nostalgics, but we're not crazy. We want to hear the 'understatement' of TD again... the sequencing again... all the things that make TD such a great group. I would like to see some of Jerome's stuff, but I want to hear wild crazy stuff, not a rehash of Goblin's Club. I want to hear true experimentation, hell, digitize water splashing and filter it, record howling wolves, birds, whatever, make soundscapes, and sequence things to death... I know this is a broken record, but the reason why Dream Mixes clicks for me is that it finally returns to the looping sequences of the TD's history... Was anyone else highly frustrated by the last track on Goblin's Club? I was... first a Force Majeure-ish guitar solo, which led into an awesome rhythm loop for about a minute. Then it fizzles and the song drags on for like 10 minutes... I am not trying to overly crucify anyone. I mean, I would love to be able to create music as good as Turn of the Tides, Rockoon, whatever. I certainly don't have the ability to creatively pour forth something like that. But let's face it, a single 5 minute track like White Eagle has had more staying power with fans than stuff released less than a year ago... I'm just babbling what's been already said, so you know what to do... Ctrl-D (in Eudora, I don't know what the command is in Netscape Communicator--buggy but awesome) Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 6:10 pm Subject: Interesting contradictions in my own thinking (was Re: Instruments maketh the band?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > > > > I don't think they are consciously trying to be the best band at any > > style they attempt. That just happened to be their fortune when they > > were doing space, and they should be commended for having the courage to > > move on, instead of counting their blessings and being the best over and > > over in the same medium. > > 'Consciously trying to be the best'??? Well, at least they tried to be *good* > though they achieved *best* status maybe not by being better than the other > ones, but rather by having other bands not being quite so good. Still, they There were also not the dozens (maybe even hundreds) of other professional, semi-professional, and amateur artists in the genre that there are today. > moved on -- and I am not going to blame them for it, it was their decision. > Perhaps they would have been producing pure garbage as space music had they > not moved on, but I, for one, still wonder what else they would have come > up with had they kept doing what they did better than anyone else, before or > since. I have always thought that, had they kept evolving along the lines of _Force Majeure_, Ozric Tentacles would not have the reputation they do today. > As far as being 'best over and over in the same medium', what is wrong with > that? Also, what prevented them for doing both (doing some space music from > time to time while also exploring new avenues)? Here is an interesting point. I myself have always wondered why, given TD's propensity for style changes, they never started any side projects under other aliases (a phenomenon which only started really much later than the period we are talking about here) to continue styles they would otherwise have abandoned as Tangerine Dream. Of course, no other band probably believes in the adage 'the past is prologue' so much. > Of course, their output volume > would have been less in either style if the total would have been the same, > but that would have put a major grin on fans like me. What you are saying, > then, is that you would have missed what came later, because this is what > *YOU* prefer. > > > > > It's comments like these that make me think no other band is so misunderstood > > by its fan base as is TD. > > > > Let's say that this band covered more territory than most other, and brought > a unique vision to most of what they did. One is bound to have a favorite > period -- usually the style prevalent at the time one discovered the band -- > and would consider other styles as departures from the most liked, and would > feel a loss. I have been a fan of TD since almost their beginning: I view > newer styles as 'things that came after' and remember the 'good old days' with > nostalgia. You, my young friend, came to it later and could thus see that > previous 'space age' phase as a contribution, a path that took them to their > current sound, and would appreciate it as a 'root to what is'. > Same image, different perspective. Actually, the 'space days' were where I got started, too, with _Phaedra_. (Don't get me wrong, I wasn't born yet when it was first released [make you feel old??? ;)] ). However, I chose to build my collection from the ends in after that, and most certainly would not have gained my current understanding of what I think the band's 'mission' is had I done it any other way. I can't pick a favourite era; every one has its highs and its lows. The highs of later eras may be better than what I feel the lows of previous ones are, and any permutation of the comparators in that sentence you can make. (And at this point, there is never any time when I have felt so alone on this list in saying: I don't like _Logos_!!!) It could also be that, even after all this time, no band misunderstands fragile fan psychology less than TD (the flip side of an earlier comment of mine). > I enjoy their more recent music, but miss their old style, because no one > can do it as well. At least, I have to be grateful to live in this area, > where recording medium allows (nearly) flawless rendition. I'll never hear > Bach played by the master himself and those who had the chance to hear it > are long gone, but TD music is with us for good. Now here is where I finally get to the subject line of this post :) On the wall of my high school music room, where I rehearse weekly with my band, is a quote from Aristotle (which I will badly paraphrase here): 'We are what we repeatedly perform. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit'. (Lars must know where this comes from...) One day it struck me: mightn't this in some way apply to TD? Certainly, the best of their modern output (in my thinking)--Melrose, Quinoa, parts of 220 Volt, some parts of Tyranny of Beauty, some parts of Goblins Club, Dream Mixes, and Oasis--are all closer (in spirit and/or concept) to that old 'electronic core'. There are times when I think, 'Now I know and accept that TD are about change, and they need to grow as artists and explore, but really, all these gizmos and balalaikas and even some of these sax and guitar passages add up to a total misfire.' (Thinking mostly of _Goblins Club_ here, sorry Goblin fans) There's always that risk when you experiment. So yes, it is indeed tempting to think--and it might even be true, to a degree--that there are some things that TD is able to pull off really well with a high degree of consistency. So why go anywhere else? The only reason I can think of: it's the thrill of the journey, not how much we can eke out of the few gold mines we strike along the way. And Aristotle may not have understood artistic stagnation so well. > C.B. Vincent Goudreault > Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6546 Jack of all trades or master of none? Paul Nagle Wed 8/13/1997 4 KB 6547 Re: Jack of all trades or master of none? Grant Middleton Wed 8/13/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 6:07 pm Subject: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Juan Coruña R. (Tecnosoft s.c.p.)' Age : 39 Favorit Albums : ALL (without Exceptions) Place : Gran Canaria (Canary Islands) SPAIN Waiting to see a live concert (Maybe England) I Use TD Disks for : - Work - Meditation, - Driving, - ... Juan Coruña R. Tecnosoft S.C.P. E-Mail : tecnosof@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 6:46 pm Subject: 1977 concerts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers This may have been addressed already but oh well, I'm in digest land. Yesterday, Grant suggested the announcer of the 4.4.77 DC concert was the one appearing on Encore; I think the announcer captured on Encore was really that from the 4.26.77 LA/Santa Monica show (or is this an hallucination because this seems to be the cherokee lane version used on Encore?); I know this has been discussed in the past year, can anyone confirm this? (There is no announcer on my tape of the 4.26.77 show) I was just (coincidentally) listening to an awesome tape of the 4.4.77 DC show (broadcast by WGTB-FM) and the WGTB person has the wrong accent to be the one on Encore. Besides, the WGTB annoucer speaks to the radio listeners while the Encore announcer seems clearly to speak to the concert audience. My 4.4.77 tape lacks any opening announcements that would offer the concrete proof about this. neverhtheless, several people on the list know for sure. (You know, someone really needs to release a boot of the other great music from this tour, the stuff beyond what is available on Encore, PSB and Acoustic LSD/Emerald Beyond). Anyway, what is more interesting was the little interview with Chris Franke between encores. The DJ mentions that Baumann had just released a solo album and asks Chris if he had any plans to release a solo album and Chris says 'yes, I will do a solo album as well too' -- this is 1977; what became of this? was his solo contribution to 70-80 part/a result of this? he was the only one who had not released a solo work... was it not good enough? does anyone know what sort of solo projects did he might have had in the works in late 1977-80? how much unreleased material might he have lying around his studio or in a vault someplace? or was this just pure bullshit that he was feeding the DJ? It was (wrongly) mentioned before the CF did no solo work before leaving TD -- of course chimes & chains (the 70-80 solo track) and the sixtrack demos on Rare Trax II disprove this (one could of course be forgiven for assuming this since CF lacks an entry in the solo section of Voices even though there should have been at least one entry for Chimes & chains...) lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 7:52 pm Subject: Kosmische Music 2LP (matrix numbers) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Would someone on the list be kind enough to post the LP matrix numbers from the: 'Kosmische Music' sampler that has unreleased Klaus Schulze + Ash Ra Tempel? Does anyone know if this sampler has ever been reissued? Thanks in advance! Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6539 Re: Kosmische Music 2LP (matrix numbers) Mike Livsey Wed 8/13/1997 4 KB 6540 Re: Kosmische Music 2LP (matrix numbers) Vic Rek Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB 6541 Re: Kosmische Music 2LP (matrix numbers) Mike Livsey Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB 6543 Re: Kosmische Music 2LP (matrix numbers) Mark Filipak Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB 6652 Re: Kosmische Music 2LP (matrix numbers) Mike Livsey Sun 8/17/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 8:17 pm Subject: Re: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > And doesn't the finale of Schulze's _Dome Event_ include a solo on a very > rough, analog-sounding M1 patch (which I believe Eno has used also, on > _Nerve Net_)? That is definitely a MiniMoog with some distortion behind it. I know because I heard him say it in an interview. Almost all of the Schulzes solos are on MiniMoog. No way a M1 can do that. I know what sound you're referring to with the M1 (or was it a WaveStation), it's the same Ian Boddy uses. It's a fake-Moog, in my ears. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 5:32 am Subject: re age poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TG Torsten Gerber Age: 33 Favourite albums: Ricochet Thief (esp. Diamonds Diary !!) Hyperborea First Exposure: 1978 Ricochet Location: Stuttgart, Germany From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 9:11 pm Subject: looking for tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers I'm looking for fan tapes from a few concerts, perhaps some of you can help me out ... I'd be more than happy to send my tape list and/or swap tapes for one or all of these shows. (please contact me off list) thanks in advance! lars here are the dates: 1974 oct. 30 Birmingham UK Nov 2 Liverpool UK dec 13 Reims (radio broadcast only) 1975 march 25 adelaide australia sept 23 Reims france oct 17 glasgow UK oct 23 Croyden UK 1976 jan 23 Paris (palais du sport) june 10 Brighton UK 1977 aug 4 toronto 1978 march 1 nantes france march 13 barcelona spain march 23 newcastle UK march 25 manchester UK 1980 oct 15 dusseldorf, germany oct 17 luxembourg nov 1 dublin ireland nov 2 newcastle UK nov 6 derby UK nov 7 birmingham UK nov 8 manchester UK nov 9 london nov 12 oxford 1981 jan 24 hannover germany jan 30 frankfurt feb 6 rome feb 7 cantu, italy oct 15 oxford UK oct 16 portsmouth UK oct 22 sheffield UK oct 24 manchester UK oct 28 preston UK 1982 jan. ? sydney (short tv interview + music) oct 17 vienna austria oct 19 budapest (afternoon) oct 19 budapest (evening) oct 29 glasgow scotland nov 1 manchester UK nov 4 sheffield UK nov 5 birmingham UK nov 8 brussels nov 11 dusseldorf nov 12 cologne (WDR interview + music) 1986 these dates (day/month): 3/9, 3/11-3/14, 3/17-3/19, 3/21-3/24, 5/30-6/1, 6/5, 6/7, 6/11, 6/15, 6/20-6/23, 6/26, thanks again! lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 4:35 pm Subject: Celestial Navigations ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Tom C wrote: >I have a CD called Celestial Navigations. It is a New Agey type of album. The >musicians are Geoff Levin, Geoffrey Lewis, Chris Many. The cd was only played >once. It has a pretty cool cover. There are 8 tracks on the album, which have >spoken words over the music, that tell a story.<< Well, I was about to post something about these guys but Tom beat me to it--sort of.... Geoffrey Lewis is a fairly well-known actor of many films. Levin and Maney are 2 good synthesists. Lewis nararates these 'cosmic' tales over themes provided by Levin/Maney. They have 3 CD's I know of and I find it very cool stuff! I used these on the radio show and got mucho response--in fact they were some of the most requested pieces (even over TD) I used. One guy called and said he heard it while driving and had to pull over for fear he wasn't paying attention to his driving! (It was the story 'Horses'). To each his own, I suppose. So, if you want to take Tom C. up on his offer, I'd do it! Cheers, Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 9:07 pm Subject: Re: TD's Roots, and What Is and Is Not E-music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > To our German friends: Anybody in Germany know about this show aired in > 1969? Supposedly, TD (Edgar Froese, Steve Leuwen, and Paul Wheeler) did > the music but didn't appear in the show. I've also read that they did > some club dates during the mid 69 period. Anybody have any info on > this? Sorry Mark, I don't have any info on this. But I have another question: Is it really the name Steve Leuwen. Because Leuwen is not a common dutch name. Steve Leeuwen or Stefan Leeuwen would be a more dutch name. So is it Leuwen or Leeuwen (which means Lions). Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 12, 1997 4:44 pm Subject: no TD but funny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox ================================================================ T H E T O P F I V E L I S T Episode #44: Lassie Goes For Help ================================================================ Sponsored by Windows Sources Mijenix ZipMagic 1.0 Compression On the Fly http://www.winsources.com ================================================================ August 12, 1997 The Top 15 Ways To Send Packages During the UPS Strike 15> Use FedEx's new 'Not Very Important' class. 14> Looks like that battalion of army ants you've been training can be used for more than just conquering the world. 13> Mark package 'For Clinton Defense Fund' and give it to any Chinese dude. 12> Throw them in Santa's sleigh, then mark out the pages in his Filofax up to December 24th. 11> Dress it up as a woman, place it on a street corner, wait for Eddie Murphy. 10> First: Lash package to Frank Gifford's back. Next: Tie Frank Gifford to rocket. Finally: Re-run hotel room video for Kathie Lee. 9> Use 'TeamsterMail' -- Wrap it in newspaper with a dead fish. 8> 'Hey Jimmy, instead of cutting my grass this week, how'd you like to ride your bike to Chicago?' 7> For quick shuttle between Boulder and Brentwood, stick it in Geraldo's video truck. 6> Hands Across America II 5> Wrap it around a pipe bomb and wait for Richard Jewell to pick it up. 4> 'Pony Express '97' -- Actually just three guys and a Ford Mustang. 3> In New York City: carrier rat 2> Two words: Big-ass slingshot and the Number 1 Way To Send Packages During the UPS Strike... 1> With my 'package', I alone do the deliverin', if you know what I mean. [ This list copyright 1997 by Chris White and Ziff Davis, Inc. ] [ The Top Five List top5@w... http://www.topfive.com ] [ To forward or repost, please include this section. ] Apologies if this is wasted bandwidth!!! Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: New lists available ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) I've finally found some time to update all my lists. Although some new arrivals are still just collected ina text file instead of being properly sorted into the databases, it's time for a general release ! Here's a list of what's available. Alltogether a 171 kByte ZIP file : 1397 Jul 6 13:28 1files this text 21426 Jul 13 1992 boot_ftp.txt article about T.Dream bootlegs 37765 Jul 6 12:55 bootlegg.upd updates to boot_ftp.txt 29316 Dec 26 1996 tadream.faq Frequently Asked Questions about TD 94314 Feb 9 1996 td_disco TD discography 104214 Feb 16 1996 td_disco.fil TD soundtrack discography 27103 Feb 16 1996 td_disco.sol TD members solo discography 14937 May 6 1995 tdboots track listings of some TD bootlegs klaus: 4399 Oct 14 1996 addition.txt new concert tapes since the main list 6356 Aug 8 07:08 newstuff.txt the latest new stuff of all sorts 12712 Jan 7 1997 rarest.txt The Rarest-C90 TD rarities collection 4085 Jul 6 13:15 readme.1st important information 2472 Jan 7 1997 rem_corr.txt remarks and corrections about tapes 19053 Aug 8 06:57 swap0897.txt LP/CD rarities swap list 104815 Oct 13 1996 tapes.txt main concert tape list 14210 Oct 13 1996 videos.txt concerts and films video list Email me off-list to get the whole bunch ! -klaus- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6717 Re: New lists available ! =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ingo_P=FCschma Wed 8/20/1997 3 KB 6718 Re: New lists available ! TangerineC@a... Tue 8/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 6:33 am Subject: Re: Kosmische Music 2LP (matrix numbers) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:52:14 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: Vic Rek > > >Would someone on the list be kind enough to post the LP matrix numbers from the: > >'Kosmische Music' sampler that has unreleased Klaus Schulze + Ash Ra Tempel? > >Does anyone know if this sampler has ever been reissued? > >Thanks in advance! >Vic > It was on the Ohr label (OMM 2/56027). I found it to be an interesting taste of space music, but listening to it in its entirety tends to cause dain bramage. Side 1: Popul Vuh: In Den Garten Pharaos Klaus Schulze: Ebene Side 2: Ash Ra Temple: Traummaschine Ash Ra Temple: Schwingungen Side 3: Tangerine Dream: Geburt Tangerine Dream: Sunrise In The Third System Tangerine Dream: Origin Of Supernatural Probabilities Side 4: Ash Ra Temple: Gedanken Klaus Schulze: Land Side 4 was the unreleased stuff. I can't remember the Ash Ra tune to tell whether it was released on the 'Private Tapes', but I don't think so. Schulze's Land was released on the 'Silver Edition' as Landpartie (disk 10). I've never seen it available on CD, but since most of the material is already available, it's re-release is not a major loss. It sits next to my Mark Shreeve 'Thoughts of War' album, which is a major loss since it's worthy of a CD release. Regards. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 12:43 am Subject: Re: Kosmische Music 2LP (matrix numbers) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) > > >It was on the Ohr label (OMM 2/56027). I found it to be an interesting >taste of space music, but listening to it in its entirety tends to >cause dain bramage. Hi Mike! Thanks for the information! Could you also post or e-mail me privately the actual matrix numbers embedded on the vinyl discs (just outside the label in the vinyl). This is very important to me. I enjoyed the post, now I must get the LPs. 'Some may understand why I need these, some may not.' Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6541 Re: Kosmische Music 2LP (matrix numbers) Mike Livsey Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 9:51 am Subject: Re: Kosmische Music 2LP (matrix numbers) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:43:01 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >>Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) >> >> >>It was on the Ohr label (OMM 2/56027). I found it to be an interesting >>taste of space music, but listening to it in its entirety tends to >>cause dain bramage. > >Hi Mike! > > Thanks for the information! Could you also post or e-mail me privately the >actual matrix numbers embedded on the vinyl discs (just outside the label in >the vinyl). This is very important to me. I enjoyed the post, now I must >get the LPs. 'Some may understand why I need these, some may not.' > >Vic > Hi Vic, Not understanding the significance of these numbers, I'll trade them for an explanation of what they are. My copy has the numbers '0664 194' and '0664 195' imprinted on disks 1 and 2 respectively. . I assume that the rest of the stuff engraved on the vinyl is not important (i.e., the OMM number listed above, copy write etc.). -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 4:06 am Subject: Re: Force Maj_EU_re ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-08-11 11:42:30 EDT, you write: << This is nit-picking, but lots of people seem to be mispelling the TD album name 'Force Majeure' by interverting the E and the U. This is even more surprizing from people who would quote this fine work as their favorite album. ;-) C.B. Vincent Goudreault >> Thanks, Vincnet. ;-) Pihll Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 4:30 am Subject: Re: Kosmische Music 2LP (matrix numbers) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak Thanks Mike. Needed: Clarification & German/English Translation > Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) > > >Really-From: Vic Rek > > > > ... 'Kosmische Music' sampler ... Isn't the title really 'Kosmische Musik?' > ... Side 3: > > Tangerine Dream: Geburt I think 'Geburt' translates to 'Birth.' Previous info on this album lists 'Genesis' which is 'Ursprung' in German. Can anyone clarify this discrepancy? Thanks -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6652 Re: Kosmische Music 2LP (matrix numbers) Mike Livsey Sun 8/17/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 3:34 am Subject: non-TD question ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) Hello all ! I was out at a used cd store today, just to see what someone else thought might be useless music, and came across a cd by a guy named Michael Garrison, titled 'An Earth-Star Trilogy'. It listed the instruments used as Korg DSS-1 sampling synth, Roland D-50 linear synth, Korg DRM-1 digital percussion, ARP 2600 w/sequencers, and Ensoniq ESQ-digital synth. So, I bought it ! And much to my surprise, it's actually quite good. Does anyone on the list know if this guy has put out any more music ? If so, would anyone know the titles ? Just thought I'd ask. Steve Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6565 Re: non-TD question Michael Fox Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB 23544 non-TD question Michael A Jean Tue 8/8/2000 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 9:47 am Subject: Happy old codger (was Re: Instruments maketh the band?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton First up, I want to make a public apology for losing it at Gabe, yesterday. I was getting frustrated at the thought of what might have been if TD had stayed a space band for just a little bit longer. The Beatles comments were just plain sarcasm and bad manners. Well done, Gabe, for keeping your cool. BTW, I found 8 (count 'em) FLA sites on Yahoo ! Hope you found what you were looking for. > Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > > >Thanks, Grant, for expressing my exact feelings and saving me the > >trouble of writing the same thing. Having Tangerine Dream doing > >something other than space/sequencer music is like having Jacques > >Villeneuve or Michael Schumacher giving up Formula 1 racing to become > >professional tennis player; they *could* be good at that too, but > >the best? > > But what if Schumacher actually wants to be a long-distance lorry driver? He > loves driving - that is his passion. Not driving fast, or racing against > people, but just driving. Sure, he gets a buzz from driving fast, but there are > other types of driving he is eager to experience. And perhaps he may feel that > driving an 18-wheeler across the winding, twisting routes of central Europe may > be as exciting and fulfilling as his racing experiences. OK, so we take this as point 1 :- (1) Edgar may just love music in any shape or form. Sure, space music is a gas, but he'd like to try other stuff. > The initial reaction of fans of Formula 1 in general, and fans of Schumacher's > style in particular, would be predictable - disbelief, concern for the man's > sanity, closely followed by a feeling of betrayal. 'It won't last' they'll say. > 'He'll be back. He must, because he's the best and everyone loves him.' (2) The fans want Edgar to keep doing what he's best at. > Twenty years later, Michael has a fleet of long-distance lorries, hauling goods > across the land. He's too old and settled down now to go for the long > trans-continental journeys, but once in a while he takes a short drive through > Germany and Austria, just for the buzz that driving gives him, and he is happy > and content. (3) Edgar is old and content and incapable of doing what he was previously capable of (???). He still likes to strum out 'Stairway to Heaven' or something. > Back in the motor-sport world, people's thoughts still return to the master > Schumacher. Many new drivers have come and gone - some almost as good, some > almost copying his driving style, but Michael has never shown any interest in > the sport since his departure. People say that he would be able to start his > own team, get back into the sport that way, like Niki Lauda and Alain Prost > did, but Michael's never tempted. (4) Edgar has no interest in going back. > Edgar and co. may have been (or may still be) the best > space/electronic/sequencer band in the world, ever. But maybe that wasn't what > he was (they were) after - their real passion lay elsewhere. Sure, whilst it > was happening it was great fun and they also basked in the fame, fortune and > glory of reaching that pinnacle, but his real heart's desire lay in expanding > and exploring beyond that. (5) TD just had a laugh making Phaedra, Rubycon, Encore, etc. > The world is full of people who are very good at what they do. A few of them do > what they are good at for long enough to make enough money to allow them to do > what they really want to do. The two are not necessarily the same. (6) Edgar has made his fortune so can do, and is doing, exactly what he fancies, with no regard to commercial success. In summary, as I understand it.... (1) Edgar may just love music in any shape or form. Sure, space music is a gas, but he'd like to try other stuff. (2) The fans want Edgar to keep doing what he's best at. (3) Edgar is old and content and incapable of doing what he was previously capable of (???). He still likes to strum out 'Stairway to Heaven' or something. (4) Edgar has no interest in going back. (5) TD just had a laugh making Phaedra, Rubycon, Encore, etc. (6) Edgar has made his fortune so can do, and is doing, exactly what he fancies, with no regard to commercial success. Of course, because of TD's love of privacy, we'll never know the truth behind any of the assertions, but let's make a few guesses. Point (1) sounds true, especially after the 'TD as rock band' thread. Point (2) is debatable, but I reckon all fans would at least be /interested/ in hearing more 'Virgin years' material. Of course, given the full schedule of Froese Inc., there would be less new material - a tricky decision for those who love the new stuff better than the old. Point (3) is a rhetorical over-statement of Craig's analogy. I personally feel that Edgar _is_ incapable of making a great space album again, but other 'burn-outs' have proved me wrong. Eg. Jarre, Oldfield. I also feel that his guitar playing has gotten sloppier - think of Cloudburst Flight and compare it to anything from today. Point (4) is almost certainly true, as Edgar has said as much himself, frequently. Point (5) annoys me. I think it's impossible to create something of quality without believing fully in what you're doing, with enthusiasm and attention to detail. If TD didn't have a passion for space music, they couldn't have created those wonderful albums. Similarly Schumacher couldn't have raced so well if he didn't believe fully in himself and what he was doing. In short, if his passion was not for racing, he couldn't have done it. Perhaps the focus shifted and they were only passionate about space music during those years. Point (6) is probably the most debatable in my mind. I agree that Edgar is a rocker at heart. A soft-rocker at that (can YOU see him doing a Soundgarden or Metallica cover ???). But is this _exactly_ what he wants to be doing at the moment ? Is this his vision of the future of TD, or is it just something that makes him happy ? In short, is Edgar doing the musical equivalent of sitting out on the porch ? Just kinda rockin' back and forward, thinking fond thoughts about the crazy days of his youth, but quite content to be the family man in his autumn years ? Is his music something that wasn't TOO hard to write, or does he slave over a hot computer day after day until it's a perfect realisation of his vision ? Basically, what I'm saying is - Does Edgar still have a /passion/ for what he's doing ? Grunt Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6548 Re: Happy old codger Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Wed 8/13/1997 8 KB 6549 Re: Happy old codger Grant Middleton Wed 8/13/1997 8 KB 6552 Re: Jerome? feldon@p... Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB 6581 Re: Jerome? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 8/14/1997 5 KB 6563 Re: Happy old codger (was Re: Instruments maketh Gabe Yedid Wed 8/13/1997 9 KB 6584 Re: Happy old codger Grant Middleton Thu 8/14/1997 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 3:42 pm Subject: Jack of all trades or master of none? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle >> > they should be commended for having the courage to >> > move on, instead of counting their blessings and being the best over and >> > over in the same medium. Some of my thoughts: It's possible to progress in several areas/discplines at once. I am convinced there are things that TD could still have achieved in the true 'synthesizer music' field but if their heart is no longer in it, I guess you can't force them. I don't believe in change for change's sake. It's far better to continually fine-tune a skill and to push it further and further than to drop it and do something else for a few years then drop that too etc. I wonder to myself that if Mozart had stopped writing symphonies after about thirty or so, we'd have never had the masterpieces that came later. If Haydn had abandoned the form after ninety symphonies, his finest works would have been lost. Fortunately there wasn't this feeling of 'oh God, another symphony, why doesn't he try something else?' and we, the world, are better off because of it. The discipline of writing in a certain style forces an artist to delve further, achieve more. It _doesn't_ mean he/she shouldn't try other things (operas, requiems, concertos / rock, new age, world music) just that to completely drop something as musically interesting as was being created at the time of Rubycon seems a shame to me. Maybe Edgar will yet produce another great electronic album. It may be forming in his mind right now - I hope so. If however it's another outing of short, drummy, empty riffs full of the latest synth presets and sounding like the stuff they play in DIY stores on a sunday, the world won't be enriched and I won't be buying.... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 11/08/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6547 Re: Jack of all trades or master of none? Grant Middleton Wed 8/13/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 10:54 am Subject: Re: Jack of all trades or master of none? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Paul Nagle > > later. If Haydn had abandoned the form after ninety symphonies, his > finest works would have been lost. Fortunately there wasn't this > feeling of 'oh God, another symphony, why doesn't he try something > else?' and we, the world, are better off because of it. The discipline > of writing in a certain style forces an artist to delve further, > achieve more. It _doesn't_ mean he/she shouldn't try other things > (operas, requiems, concertos / rock, new age, world music) just that > to completely drop something as musically interesting as was being > created at the time of Rubycon seems a shame to me. This is an interesting reflection of something Jarre said in a Future Music (hack, ptui) interview. He said that in effect, what he was doing was making the same album every time he put out a new release. He compared it to (I think) Mattisse, who claimed to be painting the same picture, and Chippendale who was making the same chair over and over again (before turning to 'ladies night' entertainments). I can certainly hear Jarre's claim in Oxygene, Equinoxe and Oxygene 7-13. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 11:13 am Subject: Re: Happy old codger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: Grant Middleton > I hope this long thread isn't boring too many people. I'm surprised that there are so few protagonists in this debate (five, I think). Anyway, another thrust from the 'leave the 70s in the 70s brigade'. [copious amounts of stuff snipped to save space] >(1) Edgar may just love music in any shape or form. Sure, space > music is a gas, but he'd like to try other stuff. >(2) The fans want Edgar to keep doing what he's best at. This is going to appear a minor nit-pick, but I believe it may be crucial to the general discussion. Amateur psychology coming up : There is a subtle but tangible difference (IMO) between the phrases a) 'he is best at' and b) 'he is the best at'. Forgive the following rant if the latter was what you meant : Phrase a) appears, to me, to support our understanding of Grant's perspective of TD's and Edgar's music - Edgar is at his best when producing space music, and everything else is less than his best. An individual or group can only be at his or their best in one activity or field - everyone has only one thing that they do better than everything else. Phrase b) is closer to my viewpoint - Edgar/TD were/are the best at space music, but that does not preclude him/them also being the best at other forms of music. An individual or group may be the best at a number of activities or fields - some people (Carl Lewis, Michael Johnson, Fred Perry to provide more sporting examples) have been the best in the world at different events at the same time. >(3) Edgar is old and content and incapable of doing what he > was previously capable of (???). He still likes to > strum out 'Stairway to Heaven' or something. Yes, I realised when I re-read my post this morning that the analogy was mis-placed at this point. This wasn't really meant as an analogous statement, simply a reference to the effect that 20 years has had on Schumacher. I did not mean that he could not drive 18-wheelers, simply that he did not feel the need to anymore. (Second bite at the cherry?) >(4) Edgar has no interest in going back. >(5) TD just had a laugh making Phaedra, Rubycon, Encore, etc. >(6) Edgar has made his fortune so can do, and is doing, exactly > what he fancies, with no regard to commercial success. > >Of course, because of TD's love of privacy, we'll never know >the truth behind any of the assertions, but let's make a few >guesses. > [more bits snipped] > >Point (5) annoys me. I think it's impossible to create >something of quality without believing fully in what >you're doing, with enthusiasm and attention to detail. >If TD didn't have a passion for space music, they >couldn't have created those wonderful albums. Similarly >Schumacher couldn't have raced so well if he didn't >believe fully in himself and what he was doing. In >short, if his passion was not for racing, he couldn't >have done it. Perhaps the focus shifted and they >were only passionate about space music during those >years. I think there are two ways of looking at this : 1) we always need to remind ourselves that we are a very small group of TD fanatics, and so at times we need to take a step back and re-assess exactly what it is we are talking about. At this point we seem to be arguing that becuase TD wer the best space-music band, they should have styed in that genre, and also that because they produced such mind-blowingly impressively albums, they couldn't have done so without being 100% committed to the cause. But listen to us! Are we just a little bit biased in making these statements? What if the musical community as a whole doesn't think that Rubycon is the best space music album in the world? What if TD aren't the best space music band ever? If these albums are only actually half-arsed, does that change the argument? 2) personally, I feel that the last sentence above is more likely - TD's attention for a while was on space music and then it shifted. Just like prior to that it had been 'experimental jazz?' (EM and AC). How many of us have always been e-music/space-music fans? I mean _always_. Most people have access to popular music, and typically find something which absorbs them (I was a big Ultravox fan and collector, Steve Feldman has told us about his various collecting fads), especially when young. As we grow older and access a wider range of musical styles, we are able to (hopefully) find the style(s) which most attract us. I very rarely listen to my Ultravox stuff now. It was important fifteen years ago, but not now. If we can do this as fans, why not musicians? >Point (6) is probably the most debatable in my mind. >I agree that Edgar is a rocker at heart. A soft-rocker >at that (can YOU see him doing a Soundgarden or >Metallica cover ???). But is this _exactly_ what he >wants to be doing at the moment ? Is this his vision >of the future of TD, or is it just something that >makes him happy ? I think we have to assume that it is. Why would he do it if it were not exactly what he wants to be doing? Or are we going to start victimising Jerome as the man who is holding Edgar back? ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6549 Re: Happy old codger Grant Middleton Wed 8/13/1997 8 KB 6552 Re: Jerome? feldon@p... Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB 6581 Re: Jerome? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 8/14/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 12:13 pm Subject: Re: Happy old codger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > are so few protagonists in this debate (five, I think). Anyway, another > thrust from the 'leave the 70s in the 70s brigade'. OK, I'll respond with another thrust from the 'Treat the best in space music as timeless brigade'. The albums we're talking about remain the best ever done in the genre. Regardless of advances in equipment and the spread of electronics into popular culture. They were _not_ documents of the '70s. If anything, they were the realisation of something which only _became possible_ after the invention of the synth and sequencer. That this happened to be in the '70s is a coincidence. It's not a 'retro' phenomenon. > This is going to appear a minor nit-pick, but I believe it may be crucial to > the general discussion. Amateur psychology coming up : > > There is a subtle but tangible difference (IMO) between the phrases > a) 'he is best at' and > b) 'he is the best at'. > > Forgive the following rant if the latter was what you meant : I _did_actually mean the former, though your differentiation shows that I phrased it incorrectly. > Phrase a) appears, to me, to support our understanding of Grant's perspective > of TD's and Edgar's music - Edgar is at his best when producing space music, > and everything else is less than his best. An individual or group can only be > at his or their best in one activity or field - everyone has only one thing > that they do better than everything else. > > Phrase b) is closer to my viewpoint - Edgar/TD were/are the best at space > music, but that does not preclude him/them also being the best at other forms > of music. An individual or group may be the best at a number of activities or > fields - some people (Carl Lewis, Michael Johnson, Fred Perry to provide more > sporting examples) have been the best in the world at different events at the > same time. Yeah, but to my ears, neither Froese, Franke or Baumann have gone on to produce the best in anything other than DIY shop music (thanks, Paul). It's _possible_, but it hasn't happened. > >(3) Edgar is old and content and incapable of doing what he > > was previously capable of (???). He still likes to > > strum out 'Stairway to Heaven' or something. > > Yes, I realised when I re-read my post this morning that the analogy was > mis-placed at this point. This wasn't really meant as an analogous statement, > simply a reference to the effect that 20 years has had on Schumacher. I did not > mean that he could not drive 18-wheelers, simply that he did not feel the need > to anymore. (Second bite at the cherry?) Granted (no pun intended) ! > I think there are two ways of looking at this : > 1) we always need to remind ourselves that we are a very small group of TD > fanatics, and so at times we need to take a step back and re-assess exactly > what it is we are talking about. At this point we seem to be arguing that > becuase TD wer the best space-music band, they should have styed in that genre, > and also that because they produced such mind-blowingly impressively albums, > they couldn't have done so without being 100% committed to the cause. But > listen to us! Are we just a little bit biased in making these statements? What > if the musical community as a whole doesn't think that Rubycon is the best > space music album in the world? What if TD aren't the best space music band > ever? If these albums are only actually half-arsed, does that change the > argument? If these albums were truly half-arsed, the argument would of course change. But they weren't, unless they were a very happy coincidence. But I feel that three 'accidentally' great albums is incalculably unlikely. Once is an accident. Twice is a coincidence. Three times is a conspiracy. The fact remains that you can't do great work without 100% commitment to the cause. Whether it be 'Sgt. Peppers', 'Astral Weeks', 'Aftermath', 'Rumours', 'Revolver', 'Electric Ladyland' or 'Anthem of the Sun', the chemistry 'clicked' and everyone gave their all to make a classic. I agree that we are a very small sector of a very small part of the album-listening public. However, once you start to appreciate the subtleties of electronic music, you can recognise quality over production-line fillers. > 2) personally, I feel that the last sentence above is more likely - TD's > attention for a while was on space music and then it shifted. Just like prior > to that it had been 'experimental jazz?' (EM and AC). I'll buy that. > How many of us have > always been e-music/space-music fans? I mean _always_. From the very first time I heard 'Autobahn' (1974). I can't speak for any time before that - maybe Pinky & Perky (singing pigs in the same mould as The Chipmunks, for all you non-Brits). > If we can do this as fans, why not musicians? Yup, good point. > >Metallica cover ???). But is this _exactly_ what he > >wants to be doing at the moment ? Is this his vision > >of the future of TD, or is it just something that > >makes him happy ? > > I think we have to assume that it is. Why would he do > it if it were not exactly what he wants to be doing? Dunno, but I just can't help visualising Steve Martin in 'The Jerk' when he jumped out of bed claiming that he'd found 'his music' - it turned out to be lite swing music. > Or are we going to start victimising Jerome as the > man who is holding Edgar back? Who said anything about Jerome ? Grunt Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6552 Re: Jerome? feldon@p... Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB 6581 Re: Jerome? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 8/14/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 1:17 pm Subject: Announcers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ian Shillingford Message text written by INTERNET:tadream@c... >TD content(s) (albeit, very very tenuous) - I believe the MC who announced 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froeseeeee and Chris.....Franke. All well known as Tangerine Dream' on Encore, was a WGTB DJ.< Talking about MCs, (all you poms might know) - since when did Jon Pertwee visit Poland to do announcing work? :^) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 1:20 pm Subject: Trade/Want List available ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Just a reminder, I updated my trade list today on the web. You can take a look at my latest want/trade list anytime at: http://idt.net/~torque19/TD_TRADE.HTM If you are looking for CD-Rs, you must e-mail me privately. I'll do top trade/dollar for any items on my want list. Thanks, Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 2:20 pm Subject: Re: Jerome? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 12:13 PM 8/13/97 +0000, you wrote: >> Or are we going to start victimising Jerome as the >> man who is holding Edgar back? > >Who said anything about Jerome ? I think he's referring to a point with a bit of consensus on the list; That Jerome is a yes-man or a smiling face, (for whatever reason, family just respect for his father's music) who is generally happy with the TD's direction even if Edgar wants to do Yawni's music... According to Edgar, this is not the case, as he and Jerome often argue over which notes they wish to use... I really don't have an opinion yet, except that Dream Mixes and I'm sure other stuff I like from the 90's wouldn't have happened if it weren't for Jerome's involvement. Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6581 Re: Jerome? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 8/14/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re TD '74-'77: What About REDSHIFT? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Regarding all this talk about how nobody does TD like TD did from 1974 to 1977, how about Mark Shrieve's REDSHIFT album? I'm not what you'd call a Shrieve fan, but what I've heard of this particular album (about 8 minutes'-worth at Lars' house) is indeed awesome. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6555 Re: Re TD '74-'77: What About REDSHIFT? Gabe Yedid Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB 6556 Re: What About REDSHIFT? Grant Middleton Thu 8/14/1997 3 KB 6561 Re: What About REDSHIFT? Gabe Yedid Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB 6560 Re: Re TD '74-'77: What About REDSHIFT? Vic Rek Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB 6572 Re: Re TD '74-'77: What About REDSHIFT? feldon@p... Thu 8/14/1997 3 KB 6574 Re: Re TD '74-'77: What About REDSHIFT? Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 8/14/1997 3 KB 6576 Re: Re TD '74-'77: What About REDSHIFT? Mike Livsey Thu 8/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Has TD Edgar Considered Firing TDI Edgar? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Has anyone whispered in Edgar's ear that maybe, as far as public relations and distribution is concerned, he should fire himself as the guy in charge? I mean, at this point, Edgar's got no one to blame but himself for product like DREAM ROOTS, OASIS, and TOURNADO reaching the USA. But then, maybe he doesn't really give a shit, as long as he gets the stuff out to the rest of the world. So, I ask you: outside of the UK, how readily available are DREAM ROOTS, OASIS, and/or TOURNADO? -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6571 Re: Has TD Edgar Considered Firing TDI Edgar? feldon@p... Thu 8/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 3:35 pm Subject: Re: Re TD '74-'77: What About REDSHIFT? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > Regarding all this talk about how nobody does TD like TD did from > 1974 to 1977, how about Mark Shrieve's REDSHIFT album? Thanks Steve, I knew there was something we were forgetting in all this. However, I would hazard a guess that other album more clearly shows the difference between forging a style, and copying one really well. > > -- Steven Feldman and > > Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 4:42 pm Subject: Re: What About REDSHIFT? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > Regarding all this talk about how nobody does TD like TD did from > 1974 to 1977, how about Mark Shrieve's REDSHIFT album? A.K.A. Rubycon 3-6 ! :) > I'm not what > you'd call a Shrieve fan, but what I've heard of this particular album > (about 8 minutes'-worth at Lars' house) is indeed awesome. Yes it is ! It's a must-buy for anyone who likes that period of TD. Give the struggling musos a boost ! (Then buy MY CD when it comes out ! :) Grant Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6561 Re: What About REDSHIFT? Gabe Yedid Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 3:35 pm Subject: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) As I'm new to the list, I thought I'd let you all know who I am.... AGE: 26 First Exposure: Force Majeure when I was 14.. so 1985 ish Favourite Albums: A hard one... Dream Sequence is smart enough as it covers a wide range... but apart from that, Underwater Sunlight, Encore and the Dream Mixes are my most played. Location: Liverpool, England From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 3:18 pm Subject: digital gothic and ups ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@C...> dreamers for those of you who may have ordered digital gothic from waterstone's in boston, I called to check my order today and was told that the UPS strike is causing major delays in all their orders... damn! another reason to hate UPS lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6562 Re: digital gothic and ups Lars R. Jones Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB 6567 Re: digital gothic and ups Mark Filipak Wed 8/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Hints on Where to Get MORPHING SPACE CD-single? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi, Can anybody point me in the direction of any place that might have a copy of the Chris Franke CD-single remix, MORPHING SPACE (from off the KLEMANIA album), that I could buy? Yeah, yeah; I know: I said I'd never buy a Franke release again, but KLEMANIA is an exception--and therefore, so is its CD-single. ;) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6577 Re: Hints on Where to Get MORPHING SPACE CD-singl Robert Grabowsky Thu 8/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 4:45 pm Subject: Re: Re TD '74-'77: What About REDSHIFT? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: Steven Feldman > Regarding all this talk about how nobody does TD like TD did from >1974 to 1977, how about Mark Shrieve's REDSHIFT album? I'm not what >you'd call a Shrieve fan, but what I've heard of this particular album >(about 8 minutes'-worth at Lars' house) is indeed awesome. I guess it shows that you are not a fan of Mark SHREEVE, but maybe Michael Shrieve who put an album out with Klaus Schulze titled 'Transfer Station Blue'? Heh heh. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6572 Re: Re TD '74-'77: What About REDSHIFT? feldon@p... Thu 8/14/1997 3 KB 6574 Re: Re TD '74-'77: What About REDSHIFT? Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 8/14/1997 3 KB 6576 Re: Re TD '74-'77: What About REDSHIFT? Mike Livsey Thu 8/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 5:07 pm Subject: Re: What About REDSHIFT? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Grant Middleton > > > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > > > > Regarding all this talk about how nobody does TD like TD did from > > 1974 to 1977, how about Mark Shrieve's REDSHIFT album? > > A.K.A. Rubycon 3-6 ! :) Seriously, I'd like to know if that was his motivation--seeing as TD would probably never do a sequel to _Rubycon_, did he take it upon himself to do it? Everyone seems to think he succeeded marvelously... > Grant Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 5:27 pm Subject: RE: digital gothic and ups ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jim Moore Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@C...> >I called to check my order today and was told that the UPS strike >is causing major delays in all their orders... >damn! another reason to hate UPS Don't hate UPS, hate the Teamsters that are forcing the strike... Yes, VERY MUCH off topic, I know. 'This is the preachiest book I've ever read! Everyone's a sinner... Except for this one guy...' Homer Simpson on the Bible James F. Moore -- jimbo@v... -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA Jimbo's Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 5:51 pm Subject: Re: Happy old codger (was Re: Instruments maketh the band?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Grant Middleton > > > First up, I want to make a public apology for losing > it at Gabe, yesterday. Apology accepted, Grant. I have been known to have that effect on people sometimes ;) > I was getting frustrated at the > thought of what might have been if TD had stayed a > space band for just a little bit longer. The Beatles > comments were just plain sarcasm and bad manners. > Well done, Gabe, for keeping your cool. BTW, I found > 8 (count 'em) FLA sites on Yahoo ! Hope you found > what you were looking for. Yes, I did. Unfortunately, it seems to have been corrupted; I guess I should inform the site's owner his lyric page turns into ASCII gibberish about halfway through. > > (1) Edgar may just love music in any shape or form. Sure, space > music is a gas, but he'd like to try other stuff. I think this is likely to be actually true. > > (2) The fans want Edgar to keep doing what he's best at. > > > Twenty years later, Michael has a fleet of long-distance lorries, hauling > goods > > across the land. He's too old and settled down now to go for the long > > trans-continental journeys, but once in a while he takes a short drive > through > > Germany and Austria, just for the buzz that driving gives him, and he is > happy > > and content. > > (3) Edgar is old and content and incapable of doing what he > was previously capable of (???). He still likes to > strum out 'Stairway to Heaven' or something. It may well be that after so many years away from that form, Ed simply no longer has the knack for it, or, at the very least, it's not second nature anymore, he couldn't produce _Rubycon: The Sequel_ at the drop of a hat, he'd need time to re-acclimate to that style and the way of thinking and composing it entails. > > (4) Edgar has no interest in going back. He has said so himself in various ways on numerous occasions. > > Edgar and co. may have been (or may still be) the best > > space/electronic/sequencer band in the world, ever. But maybe that wasn't > what > > he was (they were) after - their real passion lay elsewhere. Sure, whilst it > > was happening it was great fun and they also basked in the fame, fortune and > > glory of reaching that pinnacle, but his real heart's desire lay in expanding > > and exploring beyond that. > > (5) TD just had a laugh making Phaedra, Rubycon, Encore, etc. I think the sarcasm is undeserved here. I do think they beleived in what they were doing at the time. I also think that they felt that they had pushed that style as far as it could go; I mean, even you have said that TD did it better than anyone else, Grant; it may have been that while they knew they could do *as good* again, they felt it couldn't be made *better*. And they are simply the kind of musicians who would rather move on than keep on in a style where *they* felt the envelope could no longer be pushed. > > The world is full of people who are very good at what they do. A few of them > do > > what they are good at for long enough to make enough money to allow them to > do > > what they really want to do. The two are not necessarily the same. > > (6) Edgar has made his fortune so can do, and is doing, exactly > what he fancies, with no regard to commercial success. Well, if you had the money to do anything besides what you're doing now, what would it be? Then again, there is the question I raised yesterday of Edgar misunderstanding fan psychology, even after all these years. How many bands do willingly, unregretfully, ENJOY alienating their fan base if it means further artistic fulfillment (they feel) for them? > > Of course, because of TD's love of privacy, we'll never know > the truth behind any of the assertions, but let's make a few > guesses. > > Point (1) sounds true, especially after the 'TD as rock band' > thread. > > Point (2) is debatable, but I reckon all fans would at least > be /interested/ in hearing more 'Virgin years' material. Of > course, given the full schedule of Froese Inc., there would > be less new material - a tricky decision for those who love > the new stuff better than the old. > > Point (3) is a rhetorical over-statement of Craig's analogy. > I personally feel that Edgar _is_ incapable of making a > great space album again, but other 'burn-outs' have proved > me wrong. Eg. Jarre, Oldfield. I also feel that his guitar > playing has gotten sloppier - think of Cloudburst Flight > and compare it to anything from today. Considering all of Edgar's guitar solos ever, 'Cloudburst Flight' stands as a bit of an anomaly. A lot of his solos from the years before 'CF' aren't as 'precise' in that way. I have always felt that little hint of 'sloppiness' adds to the distinctiveness of his style, though. > Point (5) annoys me. I think it's impossible to create > something of quality without believing fully in what > you're doing, with enthusiasm and attention to detail. > If TD didn't have a passion for space music, they > couldn't have created those wonderful albums. Similarly > Schumacher couldn't have raced so well if he didn't > believe fully in himself and what he was doing. In > short, if his passion was not for racing, he couldn't > have done it. Perhaps the focus shifted and they > were only passionate about space music during those > years. see comments above... > Point (6) is probably the most debatable in my mind. > I agree that Edgar is a rocker at heart. A soft-rocker > at that (can YOU see him doing a Soundgarden or > Metallica cover ???). But is this _exactly_ what he > wants to be doing at the moment ? Is this his vision > of the future of TD, or is it just something that > makes him happy ? > > In short, is Edgar doing the musical equivalent of > sitting out on the porch ? Just kinda rockin' back > and forward, thinking fond thoughts about the crazy > days of his youth, but quite content to be the > family man in his autumn years ? Is his music > something that wasn't TOO hard to write, or does > he slave over a hot computer day after day until > it's a perfect realisation of his vision ? > Basically, what I'm saying is - Does Edgar still > have a /passion/ for what he's doing ? Only Ed can answer that question, but, given his recent admission in DREAM COLLECTOR that the big change he'd been takling about for the past couple of years could not be realized, this bears out a nagging feeling I had that _ToB_ and _Goblins Club_ were just 'biding time' albums. There is always the possibility that we may need to call a spade a spade, and admit (with further evidence forthcoming) that he has lost that spark over the years, and his passion has dulled accordingly--let me rephrase that; his passion may still be as strong, but it's not for what we see as being 'the right things', or things that really are musically redeeming. > > Grunt > > Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6584 Re: Happy old codger Grant Middleton Thu 8/14/1997 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Shreeve and Shrieve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Re TD '74-'77: What About REDSHIFT? >Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 12:45:27 -0400 (EDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Vic Rek > >I guess it shows that you are not a fan of Mark SHREEVE, but maybe >Michael Shrieve who put an album out with Klaus Schulze titled >'Transfer Station Blue'? Heh heh. Got me. I wouldn't call myself a *fan* of Michael Shrieve, but I've go the album you mention, and I tend to like it more than most Klaus Schulze that I've heard. (There's your 'TD content,' hee hee.) -- Steven Feldman and + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 1:04 pm Subject: Re: non-TD question ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Hi all! Somewhere I read about Garrison. I recall he has a bunch of releases (12 maybe). I am not familiar with him, however. I think he is from the Northwest US. If I can find the info about him I'll post it. I don't recall a website for him or know of anywhere his stuff is available. Cheers, Mike >Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) > > >Hello all ! >I was out at a used cd store today, just to see what someone else >thought >might be useless music, and came across a cd by a guy named Michael >Garrison, titled 'An Earth-Star Trilogy'. And much to my surprise, it's actually >quite >good. Does anyone on the list know if this guy has put out any more >music ? If so, would anyone know the titles ? Just thought I'd ask. > >Steve > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 7:15 pm Subject: Re: What About REDSHIFT? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak EGAD! After all that has been written about 'Redshift!' (...mumble, mumble, spit, hiss....) (Picture a house dropping on your head from 10,000 feet.) HEY FOLKS! If you love 'Rubycon,' get 'Redshift!' It's absolutely killer and if 'Rubycon' never existed, 'Redshift' would still be killer stuff. Don't think about it any more. Don't hem and haw. Don't put it off. Get it while it's still around or forever weep when you hear a bit of it a year from now and can't find a copy. -- Mark (You have been warned!) :-) > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > > > Really-From: Grant Middleton > > > > > > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > > > > > > > Regarding all this talk about how nobody does TD like TD did > > > from 1974 to 1977, how about Mark Shrieve's REDSHIFT album? > > > > A.K.A. Rubycon 3-6 ! :) > > Seriously, I'd like to know if that was his motivation--seeing as TD > would probably never do a sequel to _Rubycon_, did he take it upon > himself to do it? Everyone seems to think he succeeded marvelously... > > > Grant > > > Gabe > > real email addresses: gabe@c... > gyedid@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6583 Re: What About REDSHIFT? Grant Middleton Thu 8/14/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 13, 1997 7:21 pm Subject: Re: digital gothic and ups ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Jim Moore > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@C...> > > >I called to check my order today and was told that the UPS strike > >is causing major delays in all their orders... > >damn! another reason to hate UPS > > Don't hate UPS, hate the Teamsters that are forcing the strike... > > Yes, VERY MUCH off topic, I know. Okay.... That's it! I'm responding to this bit of union bashing off list and personally to Jim. Anyone who cares to join in, please do it off list. -- Mark ('Raza, fraza, 'hate?' Mumble, fumble, 'forcing?' Grrr....') From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: TD 04.04.77 and 26.04.77 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hello, >>Yesterday, Grant suggested the announcer of the 4.4.77 DC concert was the= >>one appearing on Encore; I think the announcer captured on Encore was >>really that from the 4.26.77 LA/Santa Monica show (or is this an >>hallucination because this seems to be the cherokee lane version used on >>Encore?); I know this has been discussed in the past year, can anyone >>confirm this? (There is no announcer on my tape of the 4.26.77 show) I was >>just (coincidentally) listening to an awesome tape of the 4.4.77 DC show >>(broadcast by WGTB-FM) and the WGTB person has the wrong accent to be the= >>one on Encore. Besides, the WGTB annoucer speaks to the radio listeners >>while the Encore announcer seems clearly to speak to the concert audience= >>My 4.4.77 tape lacks any opening announcements that would offer the >>concrete proof about this. neverhtheless, several people on the list know >>for sure. As far as I know, the announcer you hear at the start of 'Cherokee Lane' on Encore is heard on none of the fantapes, though that doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't cut off (i.e., a recording began after he spoke). Also, I don't think that the version of 'Cherokee Lane' on Encore is from Los Angeles 4.26.77, or if it was, it was quite studio-modified. TD played a modified version of 'Cherokee Lane' on just about every 1977 tour tape I've heard, but I've yet to hear a tape version that's identical to the one on Encore, though I suppose LA's version is closer than most. 'Monolight' is the only track on Encore that there's an exact, unmistakable match for one a fantape--it appears exactly as it does on Encore on the 4.4.77 Washington DC tape, with, I believe, some minor changes to the opening piano bits. --John Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6580 Re: TD 04.04.77 and 26.04.77 Grant Middleton Thu 8/14/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 6:05 am Subject: Chris-toph-er Franke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve Yensen Interesting poser this: On some albums, it's just plain Chris, on some others it's Christoph, and recently it now seems to be Christopher. Why all the name changes? Anyone know why, and more importantly, when? It's just that some of my friends seem to think that they are different people! Steve. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6606 Re: Chris-toph-er Franke PNaunton@a... Fri 8/15/1997 4 KB 6613 Re: Chris-toph-er Franke Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 8/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 12:14 am Subject: Re: Age Poll/lawry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > As I'm new to the list, I thought I'd let you all know who I am.... Hi, Lawry ! > First Exposure: Force Majeure when I was 14.. so 1985 ish Force Majeure is a good starter - the age of 14 too. I started my TD trip 1979 with Force Majeure at the age of 13,5 ! Cheers! Lawry Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 2:08 am Subject: Re: Has TD Edgar Considered Firing TDI Edgar? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 10:58 AM 8/13/97 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > >outside of the >UK, how readily available are DREAM ROOTS, OASIS, and/or TOURNADO? Response of two words: They're not! Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 2:56 am Subject: Re: Re TD '74-'77: What About REDSHIFT? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 12:45 PM 8/13/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Vic Rek > >>Really-From: Steven Feldman >> Regarding all this talk about how nobody does TD like TD did from >>1974 to 1977, how about Mark Shrieve's REDSHIFT album? I'm not what >>you'd call a Shrieve fan, but what I've heard of this particular album >>(about 8 minutes'-worth at Lars' house) is indeed awesome. > >I guess it shows that you are not a fan of Mark SHREEVE, but maybe Michael >Shrieve who put an album out with Klaus Schulze titled 'Transfer Station >Blue'? Heh heh. I thought about this one when it scrolled by... Mark Shrieve? No, Mark Shreeve, ya know the one I've NEVER seen on shelves anywhere! Then there's Michael Shrieve... Never heard his music, have no idea... Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6574 Re: Re TD '74-'77: What About REDSHIFT? Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 8/14/1997 3 KB 6576 Re: Re TD '74-'77: What About REDSHIFT? Mike Livsey Thu 8/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 3:30 am Subject: Yes, there really are women on tadream :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jonathan Sands' > Quick, quick, point the camera over here. No, never mind the fight between the > Yeti and Bigfoot, there's a woman on the Tadream mailing list!!! > *a* woman?? What about the rest of us?? I can guarantee you there's more than 1 woman on this list ;) Granted, we're a little bit outnumbered.... but I guess that just makes for more interesting conversation, eh? And by the way, I do happen to watch Johnny Quest on occasion & the Yeti and Bigfoot are definitely not one and the same - I just can't picture Bigfoot hanging out in the Himalayas leading an order of Monks :) (if you don't watch the show, just ignore that last part...) anyway, it's getting a wee bit late so I shall bid you all good night for now. ** Kim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6582 Re: Yes, there really are women on tadream :) Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 8/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 3:11 am Subject: Re: Re TD '74-'77: What About REDSHIFT? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:56 PM 8/13/97 -0500, Morgan wrote: >Really-From: feldon@p... > >I thought about this one when it scrolled by... Mark Shrieve? No, Mark >Shreeve, ya know the one I've NEVER seen on shelves anywhere! Then there's >Michael Shrieve... Never heard his music, have no idea... > You wanna? 'Fascination' is on my 'to be traded' shelf. :-(. He is a drummer (not particularly impressive) who, together with Bill Frisell (guitar) and Wayne Horwitz (organ) put out some tame jazz that sounds like a throw-back to the 60s. They apparently can't make up their mind whether to play elevator music or some discordant quasi-melodic exercise in cool. Definitely one for Downbeat Magazine (is it still published?) reviews. I am sure that someone likes this, but I was bored to tears. But then, again, I like Manuel Gottsching and Loop Guru, so what do I know? Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 4:09 am Subject: TD a Rock Band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Well.. Here's one way you can look at it, being in a positive sort of mood here.. TD started 'rockish' then moved into spacey electronics then into true EM rock music. Started acoustic.. then slowly moved into electronics.. then back to acoustic again. Maybe they will make that leap back again--becoming more electronic. hmm.. if Edgar's fingrs are getting a tad arthritic, maybe he'll pull out the 'ole sequencers again and have his machines play the notes for him :) I never thought TD was a rock band, they really don't tend toward that direction. Think of a song like Force Majeure or Logos and try to identify all the styles found in the music. There are slow airy parts, and very intense parts as well. If a style of music (Rock, Rap, Jazz, ect.) creates a certain mood, I believe TD puts many emotions in their music--thus TD stands out there in an area above the rest, and like life, TD's music is full of every emotion. Greg... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6578 Re: TD a Rock Band? Mark Filipak Thu 8/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 11:18 am Subject: Re: Re TD '74-'77: What About REDSHIFT? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:56:50 -0500, you wrote: >I thought about this one when it scrolled by... Mark Shrieve? No, Mark >Shreeve, ya know the one I've NEVER seen on shelves anywhere! Then there's >Michael Shrieve... Never heard his music, have no idea... > >Morgan > Mike Shrieve drummed for Klaus Schulze on Trancefer and Audentity. He's also done some solo stuff, with varying quality. I liked 'The Big Picture' the best; it's mostly drums with some synthesizers. A few years ago, I gave my parents a shopping list for CD's when they were in England. It included the following list: Shreeve: everything! (nothing official was available on CD other than the library disks, which I didn't know about). Schulze: (a bunch of CD's I didn't have at the time) Schmoelling: everything but Wiuvend Riet (I had it already). My mother came back with 4 Shrieve CD's that I already had; it seems that she mixed Shreeve up with Shrieve. She also baught a Schulze Cd that I already owned. This was kind of annoying...and expensive. Oh yeah, she also came back with a CD called 'The Zoo of Tranquillity' which cost 8 pounds. ;-))) Regards. P.S. Buy Redshift; it absolutely rules!!! -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 5:38 am Subject: Re: Hints on Where to Get MORPHING SPACE CD-single? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky The answer to the question is Minette Music. 1-505-882-4830. Ask for Dave. I forget the price but it is reasonable. Hope this helps, Robert TIME TO BRAG: When I was in LA over the 4th of July weekend I went to the Sonic Images Studio and got a tour. :p >Hi, > Can anybody point me in the direction of any place that might have >a copy of the Chris Franke CD-single remix, MORPHING SPACE (from off the >KLEMANIA album), that I could buy? > Yeah, yeah; I know: I said I'd never buy a Franke release again, >but KLEMANIA is an exception--and therefore, so is its CD-single. ;) > > -- Steven Feldman and > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 6:40 am Subject: Re: TD a Rock Band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > [snip] > I never thought TD was a rock band, they really don't tend > toward that direction. ... Funny, this. I always thought of TD as a rock band. In fact, I've always thought that the only thing that separated TD from vintage Pink Floyd was vocals. But then, maybe you don't think of PF as a rock band either. > ... Think of a song like Force Majeure or > Logos and try to identify all the styles found in the music. > There are slow airy parts, and very intense parts as well. > If a style of music (Rock, Rap, Jazz, ect.) creates a certain > mood, I believe TD puts many emotions in their music--thus > TD stands out there in an area above the rest, and like life, > TD's music is full of every emotion. Could we just say that once upon a time, rock was a broader category. That is, BM (ie, Before Metalica). Rock became synonymous with 'metal' as the lighter, more symphonic side became 'prog.' But it's all rock to me. -- Mark (Rock on, dreamers) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 6:53 am Subject: Re: Chris-toph-er Franke or Connie/Conrad/Konrad Schnitzler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Steve Yensen > > Interesting poser this: > > On some albums, it's just plain Chris, on some others it's Christoph, > and recently it now seems to be Christopher. > > Why all the name changes? Anyone know why, and more importantly, when? > It's just that some of my friends seem to think that they are different > people! Actually Steve, they are different people (just listen to his music). ;-) I think I've even seen Christophe. What about Connie/Conrad/Konrad Schnitzler? And is it Monica, Monika, or Monique Froese? I've seen it all ways. We poor Americans get so confused. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 8:50 am Subject: Re: TD 04.04.77 and 26.04.77 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > >>Yesterday, Grant suggested the announcer of the 4.4.77 DC concert was the= > >>one appearing on Encore; I think the announcer captured on Encore was > >>really that from the 4.26.77 LA/Santa Monica show (or is this an > >>hallucination because this seems to be the cherokee lane version used on > >>Encore?); I know this has been discussed in the past year, can anyone > >>confirm this? (There is no announcer on my tape of the 4.26.77 show) I was > >>just (coincidentally) listening to an awesome tape of the 4.4.77 DC show > >>(broadcast by WGTB-FM) and the WGTB person has the wrong accent to be the= > >>one on Encore. Besides, the WGTB annoucer speaks to the radio listeners > >>while the Encore announcer seems clearly to speak to the concert audience= > > >>My 4.4.77 tape lacks any opening announcements that would offer the > >>concrete proof about this. neverhtheless, several people on the list know > >>for sure. > > As far as I know, the announcer you hear at the start of 'Cherokee Lane' on > Encore is heard on none of the fantapes, though that doesn't necessarily mean he > wasn't cut off (i.e., a recording began after he spoke). Also, I don't think > that the version of 'Cherokee Lane' on Encore is from Los Angeles 4.26.77, or if > it was, it was quite studio-modified. TD played a modified version of 'Cherokee > Lane' on just about every 1977 tour tape I've heard, but I've yet to hear a tape > version that's identical to the one on Encore, though I suppose LA's version is > closer than most. > > 'Monolight' is the only track on Encore that there's an exact, unmistakable > match for one a fantape--it appears exactly as it does on Encore on the 4.4.77 > Washington DC tape, with, I believe, some minor changes to the opening piano > bits. Overall, it does seem that Encore was messed with pretty heavily - Desert Dream relying on much of the studio track Oedipus Tyrranus. I e-mailed Kevin Bond to get it straight from the horse's mouth :- Grant Middleton wrote: > > Hi Kevin, > > Could you shed any light on this TADREAM query ? I > seem to remember you saying it was a WGTB guy. Doctor > somebody ??? Yes. Real name Leonidas (Leo) del Aguila Nationality: Puerto Rican Radio name: Prof. Mota (mota being P. Rican slang term for grass) I was at that very concert, you may remember!! Case closed. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 8:46 am Subject: Re: Jerome? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ>---------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Really-From: feldon@p... > > >At 12:13 PM 8/13/97 +0000, you wrote: > >>> Or are we going to start victimising Jerome as the >>> man who is holding Edgar back? >> >>Who said anything about Jerome ? > >I think he's referring to a point with a bit of consensus on the list; That >Jerome is a yes-man or a smiling face, (for whatever reason, family just >respect for his father's music) who is generally happy with the TD's >direction even if Edgar wants to do Yawni's music... According to Edgar, >this is not the case, as he and Jerome often argue over which notes they >wish to use... I really don't have an opinion yet, except that Dream Mixes >and I'm sure other stuff I like from the 90's wouldn't have happened if it >weren't for Jerome's involvement. > Actually, Morgan, I meant the opposite. Are people who were on Grant's side of the thread going to think that Jerome is responsible for the current direction of TD - preventing his father from returning to his space music 'roots'. Of course, the point was that I don't believe this to be the case. Edgar does what he wants (with obvious influences from other band members), but I doubt that he would return to producing space music for his next solo album (if one were ever to appear). Witness the new tracks on Beyond the Storm - more 'Blue Years'-esque than 'Pink Years' or 'Virgin'. BTW - anyone else interested in the continuing categoorisation of TD's newer releases under the 'Seattle Years' banner? I'd have thought that a new name was required to represent the time from Dream Mixes (UK) to now - how about 'Independant Years'? ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 8:59 am Subject: Re: Yes, there really are women on tadream :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: 'Jonathan Sands' > > >> Quick, quick, point the camera over here. No, never mind the fight between the >> Yeti and Bigfoot, there's a woman on the Tadream mailing list!!! >> > > *a* woman?? What about the rest of us?? I can guarantee you there's more >than 1 woman on this list ;) Granted, we're a little bit outnumbered.... but >I guess that just makes for more interesting conversation, eh? Hey, here's another one! No, not another Yeti, another woman! Yeah, on the Tadream mailing list. This one's wierd, though - her name's Jonathan! (Apologies, Kim, startling scientific discoveries do this to me.) ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 9:18 am Subject: Re: What About REDSHIFT? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > HEY FOLKS! If you love 'Rubycon,' get 'Redshift!' It's absolutely > killer and if 'Rubycon' never existed, 'Redshift' would still be killer > stuff. Don't think about it any more. Don't hem and haw. Don't put it > off. Get it while it's still around or forever weep when you hear a bit > of it a year from now and can't find a copy. -- Mark (You have been > warned!) :-) Good sentiments, Mark ! If you buy it, you'll also be voting with your wallet for more 'Classic Period' TD. If Shreeve finds that Redshift is selling bucketloads, he might be tempted to do something else in the same vein. Hey, Ash, do you know how successful Redshift has been in comparison to earlier Shreeve releases, and how likely he would be to repeat the experiment ? > > A.K.A. Rubycon 3-6 ! :) > > Seriously, I'd like to know if that was his motivation--seeing as TD > would probably never do a sequel to _Rubycon_, did he take it upon > himself to do it? I think this must be the motivation. Maybe Ash could get an open letter from Mr. Shreeve or something. Or maybe as well as copying the musical style of TD, he's also copying the 'privacy style'. > Everyone seems to think he succeeded marvelously... TD '97 couldn't have done it. Grant From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 9:45 am Subject: Re: Happy old codger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > Well done, Gabe, for keeping your cool. BTW, I found > > 8 (count 'em) FLA sites on Yahoo ! Hope you found > > what you were looking for. > > Yes, I did. Unfortunately, it seems to have been corrupted; I guess I > should inform the site's owner his lyric page turns into ASCII gibberish > about halfway through. Are you sure that wasn't the owner's attempt at the lyrics ? :-D > > (5) TD just had a laugh making Phaedra, Rubycon, Encore, etc. > > I think the sarcasm is undeserved here. Urm,..... I think the requoting and train of thought got a bit out of hand, here. What I was saying (albeit, fairly sarcastically) was a 'backwards' interpretation of Craig's original analogy - ie that Schumacher 'stumbled into' racing and that TD 'stumbled into' electronic music. I was trying to say that this could not be the case. > I do think they beleived in what they were doing at the time. I also think > that they felt that they had pushed that style as far as it > could go; I mean, even you have said that TD did it better than anyone > else, Grant; it may have been that while they knew they could do *as > good* again, they felt it couldn't be made *better*. And they are simply > the kind of musicians who would rather move on than keep on in a style > where *they* felt the envelope could no longer be pushed. That's certainly a possibility, but in saying that, it was a fairly smooth progression from Phaedra to Rubycon and Ricochet. Stratosfear is a bit of an anomaly to me from this period, but Encore saw them back on form with big pounding multi-layered sequencers, heavy synth sounds and abstractions. Force Majeure, whilst more structured had many of those same elements. Cyclone was another anomaly, but the big heavy ballsy synths are still there. Thief and Tangram were crossovers to the Schmoelling era, and so on. So instead of doing a musical about turn, they seemed to change course like an oil tanker - slowly and with a lot of inertia. > Well, if you had the money to do anything besides what you're doing now, > what would it be? What the hell I wanted ! > Considering all of Edgar's guitar solos ever, 'Cloudburst Flight' stands > as a bit of an anomaly. A lot of his solos from the years before 'CF' > aren't as 'precise' in that way. I still think that half of that solo was recorded at half speed then brought up to normal speed for playback. He's done nothing like it in technical playing terms, before or since. > > Basically, what I'm saying is - Does Edgar still > > have a /passion/ for what he's doing ? > > Only Ed can answer that question, but, given his recent admission in > DREAM COLLECTOR that the big change he'd been takling about for the > past couple of years could not be realized, this bears out a nagging > feeling I had that _ToB_ and _Goblins Club_ were just 'biding time' albums. > There is always the possibility that we may need to call a spade a spade, > and admit (with further evidence forthcoming) that he has lost that spark > over the years, and his passion has dulled accordingly--let me rephrase > that; his passion may still be as strong, but it's not for what we see as > being 'the right things', or things that really are musically redeeming. Interesting points, thanks. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 10:07 am Subject: Are we getting that old? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar Kraft With great sadness I learned that after more than 10 successful years, the radio show 'Grenzwellen' here in Germany has been taken off the air. The last show was broadcast on August 8th on 'radio ffn' with Klaus Schulze in the studio who played a live-to-DAT concert especially made for the show, which will never be released otherwise. I haven't heard the show, but I assume it must have been incredible, as the whole concert was done on analog synths and analog sequencers without any MIDI or multitack tricks, recorded in one session. According to the reviews, Shulze showed how much amazing music you can get out of this technology without any overdubbing etc. Anyway, now that 'Grenzwellen' is gone and the last remaining electronics show on Berlin radio also scheduled to go off air this month, that leaves exactly 0 (ZERO) shows playing electronic music on German radio (correct me if I'm wrong), unless you count the various techno music shows. No more room to hear any TD, Schulze, new and unknown electronic artists, no way to get any special interviews, radio broadcasts, etc. It is a crying shame! Are there really so few of us that we have absolutely no commercial appeal? Are they treating us as a small group of old farts that want to hear this 'minority music born in the seventies'? Interestingly, 'Grenzwellen' actually had very good ratings, but they probably figured by playing Bryan Adams and Backstreet Boys they can get even more people (even though every other radio station here already plays nothing but Bryan Adams and Backstreet Boys) Sigh. Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6586 Re: Are we getting that old? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 8/14/1997 4 KB 6653 Re: Are we getting that old? GrafZeigen@a... Sat 8/16/1997 4 KB 6690 Re: Are we getting that old? Plumer, Scott Mon 8/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 12:00 pm Subject: Re: Are we getting that old? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 This is indeed a sad state of affairs, Hilmar. However, remember that there is always someone worse-off that yourself - namely me! I have never had the pleasure of experiencing such music on the radio. I believe there is only one e-music radio show in Britain, on local radio (BBC Radio Derby, I think). Whilst this may be one more than in Germany, it's miles away from me and so useless for the majority of the country. What I'm amazed at is with the (fairly) recent deregulation of the airwaves here in Britain, we haven't seen more 'independant' and 'out-there' stations or shows. We seem to have plenty of chat, loads of local stations all playing the same music and saying the same things, but no-one really unique. What's a poor music fan to do? ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 11:17 am Subject: The Sorcerer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) Can anyone tell me anything about a copy of 'The Sorcerer' Soundtrack that I have. It's a UK version (I think) and one of the labels is printed as 'The Scorcher'. I've never seen this documented anywhere and I was wondering how many were printer like that, or if they all have it etc etc. So far, nobody that I've asked knows a thing about it. Any help would be much appreciated... Thanks, Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6609 Re: The Sorcerer Lawry Simm Fri 8/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 1:02 pm Subject: Shreeve vs. Shrieve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Shipley Just to toss my $0.02 in... Mark SHREEVE is a powerhouse synthesist that has a number of great releases out (he also 'paid the bills' by playing in Samantha Foxs' band and writing a track or two). 'Redshift', which is totally unlike anything else in his canon, was supposedly inspired by Marks' visit to the Museum Of Antique Synthesizers (I think I have the name right) somewhere in the UK. While I like 'Redshift' a lot, I much prefer his louder material, i.e. 'Collide', 'Crash Head') and his 'Assassin' release is classic e-music. Michael SHRIEVE was the drummer in the late 60's/early 70's Santana. Yes, he did have Klaus Schulze appear on his 'Transfer Station Blue' (which is a rework of KS/Richard Wahnfrieds' 'Tonwelle', and not much was lost or gained between the two versions). I would guess that the hookup came when Shrieve and Schulze both appeared on the Stomu Yamashta 'Go' releases (which is STILL not available on CD, except for the horrid 'Go Too'). Shreive is all over the musical map, having appeared with Steve Roach on 'The Leaving Time', solo percussion on 'Dangerous Ground' (LP only), an electronic percussion duet with David Beal on 'The Big Picture' and, most recently, on the reformed Santana band (minus Carlos) release 'Abraxas Pool' (If you liked the first three Santana releases, GET THIS! While it would be great to hear Carlos out in front, the band, all original members, really smoke through this one. Shrieve plays the drums on this one, with two other percussionists). I know that Shrieve has done a few other releases, kinda in the jazz-fusion vein, but I'm not interested... obTD Link: Chris Franke appeared on Shreeves' 'Legion' release (aka 'Oracle' in the library series) and Shreeves' only US release was on Frankes' Sonic Images. Craig Shipley craigs@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 1:16 pm Subject: OFF: Michael Garrison ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Shipley To the person trying to find more Michael Garrison, Call Windspell Music at 1-800-597- 9463 (597-WIND). This is Michael's' own company and he'll answer the phone. Not only does he have all of his CD's (duh!) but he has a great assortment of E-music CD's from around the world at some of the best prices you will find anywhere. Service is quick (well, before the UPS strike, anyways), normally less than four days from order to receiving the CD's here in Atlanta (he is in Oregon). See if he still has his special going on for his 2-CD live set (it was rated something like #4 in a European music poll, so the price has been reduced). It is a good intro into his material. He also has two CD's that are kind of a 'best of', one more upbeat and the other more mellow (don't have 'em, can't comment...). He also takes most major credit cards (proceed with caution!). He doesn't have a Net site, yet... And, if you are looking to try T-Bass or Ash Prema out, he has 'em, too (hi guys!). And he also stocks Mark Shreeve, Andy Pickford, Waveform and a bunch of others (wish he had Air Sculpture, Paul Nagle and FSP as regular stock). Standard disclaimer applies: I am a satisfied customer and get nothing in exchange for saying so. Craig Shipley craigs@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 1:37 pm Subject: Lost E-mail - please RESEND! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Sorry to interrupt, but anyone who sent mail (or replied) to 'Vic Rek' yesterday or today, please RESEND it. My ISP said my inbox was corrupted and had to create me a new one, thereby deleting the old one and any messages that it may have contained. I e-mailed over 30 messages yesterday, so this should be important for some. Sorry for non-TD content, but this could happen to anyone. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 2:56 pm Subject: SHRIEVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dave Lane' 'Andrew J. Rozsa' wrote: > Morgan wrote: >>Then there's >>Michael Shrieve... Never heard his music, have no idea... > You wanna? 'Fascination' is on my 'to be traded' shelf. :-(. He > is a drummer (not particularly impressive) who, together with > Bill Frisell (guitar) and Wayne Horwitz (organ) put out some tame > jazz that sounds like a throw-back to the 60s. They apparently > can't make up their mind whether to play elevator music or some > discordant quasi-melodic exercise in cool. Definitely one for > Downbeat Magazine (is it still published?) reviews. [!!??] Yeah, Downbeat is still published. One of the better music magazines out there. Jeez, to each his own, I guess. I remember a few years back, maybe more than a few; it might have been around '89 or so, Downbeat had an in-depth article about Klaus Schulze, and had brief interviews with Shrieve and Roach, talking about their work with Schulze. > I am sure > that someone likes this, but I was bored to tears. I have Shrieve's follow-up CMP album that has some material leftover from the 'Fascination' sessions, and have been looking for 'Fascination' for a while, so I'd be glad to relieve you of it. > But then, > again, I like Manuel Gottsching and Loop Guru, so what do I know? Well, I like what Shrieve has been doing recently far better than what TD has been doing the last 8 or 9 years, so what do I know? --Dave -- Dave Lane dalane@d... chickyraptor@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6625 Re: SHRIEVE TWeibre361@a... Fri 8/15/1997 2 KB 6741 Re: SHRIEVE Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 8/21/1997 3 KB 6750 Re: SHRIEVE TWeibre361@a... Thu 8/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 3:23 pm Subject: D:~*~*~*~'Enchanting Nature'~*~*~*~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... Enchanting Nature August 14, 1997 Chris Franke 'Enchanting Nature' Published 1993, 94 Purchased 1996 EarthTone ET7401-2 I'm old now. Perhaps this is why I like _some_ of the tunes on this album. New age lives -- all is wonderful -- everybody is pure and wholesome.... 'Waitperson? Can I have some more sugar on my frosted flakes? Coffee, with ten or fifteen lumps of sugar, please........... Slurp...........Still a little bitter. Got any Maple syrup?' Some of these tunes are good, but 'all together' they are enough to make my teeth fall out. Much of what I like about Franke is his capability of range. Range! This CD has no range. It just lays there with the ooze of sweetness dripping off of it, and I sit in front of the speakers expecting my feet to become adhered to the floor like they do in some of the movie theaters around here. What I need is a multi-disc CD player. Then I can put a copy of 'Enchanting Nature in one slot and then a copy of one of the 'Babylon' CDs in another and put the system on random play mode. 'Ahhh, sweet mystery of life, at last I've found you.......' But I don't have that convenience. So.........these discs don't get played all that often. Actually 'Enchanting Nature' probably get less play than 'Babylon', because I can really pull tightly the cloak of depression sometimes, really get into the darkness. But I'll leave that discussion for another time. This is a compilation, in case you haven't guessed it by now. I was mucho ticked off when I got this home, after thinking it was all new Franke material. To be fair, though, there are some tunes on here I did not have yet. So, it was not a total loss. -------- Just _mostly_ total loss. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 3:23 pm Subject: Re: D:Raven ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-08-12 07:13:19 EDT, you write: << I actually like this album and I listen to it with more pleasure (and more often) than many of his other releases. Kind of an album that you could just throw on the CD player while doing other things. I would disagree that this album is only for Franke completists, and I recommend it (at YOUR own risk). I rate this 3AS easily. So there. Vic >> So, Vic, I couldn't help but notice that at the end of your comment, which I respect, that you faltered and put in the AYOR disclaimer. Does this mean that you have doubts? ;-) Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 1:40 am Subject: mlivsey@n... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Richard Bilek On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 04:18:58 GMT mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) wrote: >A few years ago, I gave my parents a shopping list for CD's when they >were in England. It included the following list: >Shreeve: everything! (nothing official was available on CD other than >the library disks, which I didn't know about). >Schulze: (a bunch of CD's I didn't have at the time) >Schmoelling: everything but Wiuvend Riet (I had it already). >My mother came back with 4 Shrieve CD's that I already had; it seems >that she mixed Shreeve up with Shrieve. She also baught a Schulze Cd >that I already owned. This was kind of annoying...and expensive.=20 >Oh yeah, she also came back with a CD called 'The Zoo of Tranquillity' >which cost 8 pounds. ;-))) Hello, sorry to bother you, but you want to say, that you have The Zoo of Tranquillity on CD? And cannot you make CD-R copy and exchange it with me for some other TD (or solo) material? Or exchange it for money? Greetings, Richard Bilek, Praha From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 6:03 pm Subject: Re: D:Raven ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: PNaunton@a... ><< I actually like this album and I listen to it with more pleasure > (and more often) than many of his other releases. Kind of an album that you > could just throw on the CD player while doing other things. I would disagree > that this album is only for Franke completists, and I recommend it (at YOUR > own risk). I rate this 3AS easily. So there. > > Vic >> > > So, Vic, I couldn't help but notice that at the end of your >comment, which I respect, that you faltered and put in the AYOR disclaimer. > Does this mean that you have doubts? ;-) > >Phil Naunton > Well Phil, I wasn't faltering on my opinion, just making sure that my 3AS doesn't confuse someone to such a point that they send me the bill for the CD. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 7:49 pm Subject: tapes sought / please help ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers first, thanks to those (2) people who did reply to my original response... since the other 400 must have been sleeping, I'll repost the updated list for their benefit ;-) (OK, not all of you have tapes, so make that the other 100 ;-) Please help! I'm looking for fan tapes from a few concerts, perhaps some of you can help me out ... (don't all jump at once now :-) Forgive the use of the bandwidth but I have a specific reason for making this request, please bear with me. I'd be more than happy to send my tape list and/or swap tapes for one or more of these shows. (please contact me off list) thanks in advance! lars here are the dates: ('**' marks my current priorities) 1968 Sept 29 Essen 1971 june ossiach festival 8 min. 1972 the 'june 22' / unknown broadcast 45 min. ;-) 1974 **dec 13 Reims (17 min. radio broadcast only) **nov 25 bradford 1976 **jan 23 Paris (palais du sport) **june 10 Brighton UK **0ct 21 Dusseldorf **Oct 27 munich ** nov 3 edinburgh ** nov 9 portsmouth **nov. 13 leeds **nov 15 manchester 1977 **aug 4 toronto 1978 march 1 nantes france march 13 barcelona spain march 23 newcastle UK march 25 manchester UK 1980 oct 15 dusseldorf, germany oct 17 luxembourg nov 1 dublin ireland nov 2 newcastle UK nov 6 derby UK nov 7 birmingham UK nov 8 manchester UK nov 9 london nov 12 oxford nov 20 San francisco (FM) 1981 jan 24 hannover germany jan 30 frankfurt feb 6 rome feb 81 cucciago feb 7 cantu, italy oct 15 oxford UK oct 16 portsmouth UK oct 22 sheffield UK oct 24 manchester UK oct 27 glasgow oct 28 preston UK 1982 jan. ? sydney (short tv interview + music) oct 17 vienna austria oct 19 budapest (afternoon) oct 19 budapest (evening) oct 29 glasgow scotland nov 1 manchester UK nov 4 sheffield UK nov 5 birmingham UK nov 8 brussels nov 12 cologne (WDR interview + music) 1986 march 9 leicester UK march 11newcastle march 12 edinburgh march 13 preston march 14 manchester march 16 croyden march 17 birmingham march 18 Hanely march 19 liverpool march 20 bradford march 21 harrogate march 22 nottingham march 23 lincoln march 24 brighton march 26 oxford may 31 vancouver (COOP FM 'Alien soundtracks) may 31 seattle june 1 portland june 3 san francisco june 5 LA **june 7 Phoenix/Mesa (anyone? please!) june 11 denver june 13 kansas city june 15 chicago june 17 milwaukee june 20 ottawa june 21 toronto june 23 rochester june 25 philly june 26 boston 1987 august 23 SFB2 FM interview and rebroadcast oct 22 WDR interview and rebroadcast 1988 Aug 31 detroit sept 3 quebec city sept 6 boston (the real concert) sept 10 philly sept 14 sarasota sept 15 miami sept 16 new orleans sept 21 san diego sept 22 LA sept 24 berkeley sept 28 vancouver 1990 oct 25 worthing UK oct 26 london oct 27 londn oct 28 manchester oct 31 edinburgh nov 2 bradford nov 4 Oxford 1992 oct 8 boston (w/ interview) oct 10 philly oct 14 columbus oct 15 baltimore oct 17 chicago oct 20 detroit oct 28 san juan capistrano oct 30 LA thanks again! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 3:16 pm Subject: Are we getting old? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Sorry to hear about the demize of the station Helmar. The only station around here that played anything remotely EM was a college station that sold out to a country station (gag--new hat music---ptew!). You are not alone! Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 9:12 pm Subject: Little TD-content, but important! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' This message has little TD-content in it, but is very important nevertheless. I don't send such messages very often, but I had to make one excpetion. I know there are a lot of movie-fans on this list and I'm one of them too. I just came back from the movie-theatre and was blown away with the movie I saw. It was Face Off, with Nicholas Cage and John Travolta. I was stunned. It had the same effect on me when listening to my fav. TD-album (there was the TD content). If you are planning to go to the movies only once this year, you have to see this movie, really. Maybe some of you americans saw it sooner (probably released earlier). If you haven't, go for it. You won't be dissapointed. Back to normal mode again. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 10:29 pm Subject: Re : Re: Instruments maketh the band? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Several mails speak about 'Stratosfear 86'. Well, I know Stratosfear 76 and 95 (94 on a release with _Quasar_ as bonus track, but it's the same one), but WHAT'S THAT?? Read you soon... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6605 Re: Stratosfear '86? feldon@p... Fri 8/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 10:26 pm Subject: Egad! A Gal! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello, > *a* woman?? What about the rest of us?? I can guarantee you there's more >than 1 woman on this list ;) Granted, we're a little bit outnumbered.... but >I guess that just makes for more interesting conversation, eh? Yes, there is more than one female on the digest actually. We just enjoy lurking at the back listening to you boyz... Jules C T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6620 Re: Egad! A Gal! Plumer, Scott Fri 8/15/1997 3 KB 6640 Re: Egad! A Gal! Mark Filipak Sat 8/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 11:07 pm Subject: garrison/no TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean He has lots of stuff and it pretty much all sounds the same...He also has a music distribtuion company called 'windspell'...I don't know the URL, but it has been mentiuoned here before.... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 11:29 pm Subject: TDI WHINE WHINE WHINE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Is that all some of you guys can do.... You can find what you want if you know where to shop... You won't find DRC or OASIS at Musicland, but who shops there anyway! Tournado isn't even out yet, unless you order from TDI... I can almost ALWAYS find what I want...Why can't you??? 8^D Mike J, Chicago Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6621 Re: TDI WHINE WHINE WHINE Plumer, Scott Fri 8/15/1997 2 KB 6740 Re: TDI WHINE WHINE WHINE Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 8/21/1997 3 KB 6743 Re: TDI WHINE WHINE WHINE PNaunton@a... Thu 8/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 14, 1997 11:30 pm Subject: Morphing Single ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean I believe you can also order it directly from the Sonic Images home page... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Little TD-content, but important? (Hong Kong film) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Little TD-content, but important! >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:12:53 +0200 >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > >I just came back from the movie-theatre and was blown away with the >movie I saw. It was Face Off, with Nicholas Cage and John Travolta. FACE/OFF was directed by John Woo, the Hong Kong action acteur who has, so far, had more success in the USA than other Hong Kong action directors. Previously, Woo's Hong Kong films A BETTER TOMORROW, THE KILLER, and HARDBOILED have been released to video and shown on Cinemax as being 'Unrated.' This is because of the presence of an obscene amount of gunshots hitting characters' bodies every time there is a protracted shootout. The 1980s-1990s Hong Kong gangster genre has been called 'Heroic Blooshed' films, and they are basically the gun counterpart to kung fu movies (which I prefer, personally). Woo's first American movie was the Jean-Claude Van Damme vehicle, HARD TARGET, which was watered down for stateside release but was shown in Chinese theatres (and is available on Chinese laserdisk) with Woo's usual amount of over- the-top carnage. Next, Woo directed BROKEN ARROW, with Christian Slater and John Travolta, and then a made-for-(American)-network-TV remake of his lighthearted (!?!) crime caper film, ONCE A THIEF. Reportedly, this ONCE A THIEF remake was better than the original and better than both HARD TARGET and BROKEN ARROW, according to some people. Anyways, the movie Woo was known for in the USA prior to FACE\OFF was THE KILLER, which is a great film, but his best Hong Kong film is BULLET IN THE HEAD (real subtle film titles, aren't they?). A Chinese friend of mine says that FACE/OFF is tied with BULLET IN THE HEAD for Woo's all-time best film, as far as he's concerned. In Hong Kong, there is a director named Ringo Lam, whom some folks insist 'out-Woos' Woo. His films, most notably FULL CONTACT, don't have nearly as much bullets shot per minute, but those that are shot are felt more. So far, besides Woo, three other Hong Kong action directors have made films in the USA. They are Ringo Lam, Tsui Hark, and Ronny Yu. Tsui Hark directed DOUBLE TEAM, the Van Damme film co-starring Dennis Rodman. Ringo Lam directed the Van Damme film prior to that which co- starred a woman (I forgot the name of it). Ronny Yu directed the recent fantasy film, WARRIORS OF VIRTUE. Yu's best film, which can be found in the martial arts or foreign film sections of some American video stores (available via Tai Seng Video), is BRIDE WITH WHITE HAIR, which is dynamite. It is a fantasy period piece of the 'flying people' genre (lots of lead characters fly around in the air when they fight) based on a Chinese fantasy classic which translates as--get this--'Wolf Devil Woman.' A photo from this film and a cover story on its star, Brigette Lin, was on the cover of a recent issue of FILM COMMENT, an American film magazine (almost a film *journal*). I've been a kung fu movie fan since 1974, and have gotten into HK cinema quite a bit in the last two years. It's become rather hip, too. Starting tomorrow night, the Museum of Fine Arts is having a 14-film retrospective of the films of Sammo Hung, who went to Chinese opera school with Jackie Chan and is a much better director and actor, and even a comparable martial artist, even though he is very overweight (he's the guy Bruce Lee fought in the Shaolin temple in the opening scene in ENTER THE DRAGON!!!). There are currently a lot of books out on Hong Kong action movies, and since I went to libary school, I was able to amass this little list books on the subject. The four with an asterisk (*) to their left are the ones that you will find in virtually any bookstore. BIBLIOGRAPHY OF MARTIAL ARTS MOVIE BOOKS Dannen, Fredric. Hong Kong Babylon: An Insider's Guide to the Hollywood of the East. New York: Miramax Books, [not yet published] Glaessner, Verina. Kung fu: Cinema of Vengeance. Bounty Books (Crown Publishers), 1974. PN1993.5.H6 G5 [out of print] Glaessner, Verina. Kung fu: Cinema of Vengeance. London: Lorimer, 1974. PN1993.5.H6 G5 [out of print] *Hammond, Stefan, and Mike Wilkins. Sex and Zen & a Bullet in the Head. New York: Fireside Books [Simon & Schuster], 1996. PN1993.5.H6 H26 1996 Kuhn, Otto. Der Eastern Film. Ebersberg/Obb., Germany: Edition 8 1/2, 1983. PN1995.9.H3 K83x 1983 Logan, Bey. Hong Kong Action Cinema. London: Titan Books, 1995. PN1993.5.H6 L65 1996 *Logan, Bey. Hong Kong Action Cinema. Woodstock, NY: Overlook Press, 1996. PN1993.5.H6 L65 1996 *Meyers, Richard, Amy Harlib, Bill and Karen Palmer. From Bruce Lee to the Ninjas: Martial Arts Movies. New York: Citadel Press, 1985. PN1995.9.H3 M37 1985 Mintz, Marilyn D. The Martial Arts Film. South Brunswick, NJ: A.S. Barnes, 1978. PN1995.9.H3 M5 Mintz, Marilyn D. The Martial Arts Films. Rutland, VT: C.E. Tuttle, 1983. PN1995.9.H3 M5 1983 Palmer, Bill, Karen Palmer, and Ric Meyers. The Encyclopedia of Martial Arts Movies. Metuchen, NJ: Scarecrow Press, 1995. PN1995.9.H3 P36 1995 Teo, Stephen. Hong Kong Cinema: the Extra Dimensions. London: BFI (British Film Institute), 1995. ISBN 0851704964: $62.03 *Weisser, Thomas. Asian Cult Cinema. New York: Boulevard Books, 1997. PN1993.5.A75 W45 1997 Weisser, Thomas. Asian Trash Cinema: the Book. Houston, TX: Asian Trash Cinema/European Trash Cinema Publications, 1994. Weisser, Thomas. Asian Trash Cinema: the Book (Part 2). Miami, FL: Vital Sounds Inc./Asian Trash Cinema Publications, 1995. Weyn, Suzanne, and Ellen Steiber. From Chuck Norris to the Karate Kid: Martial Arts in the Movies. New York: Parachute Press, 1986. ----- Baker, Rick, and Toby Russell. Essential Guide to Hong Kong Movies. London: Eastern Heroes Press [, P.O. Box 409, London SE 18 3WD, UK] Baker, Rick, and Toby Russell, compilers, Tilston, Lisa, editor. The Essential Guide to Hong Kong Movies (1994: made in Hong Kong) ----- A Study of Hong Kong Cinema in the 70s (1984: compiled by the Hong Kong Urban Council as Part of the Eighth Hong Kong International Film Festival) A Study of the Hong Kong Martial Arts Film (1980: compiled by the Hong Kong Urban Council as Part of the Eighth Hong Kong International Film Festival) Shih cheng cheu chu pan. Hong Kong International Film Festival, 4th, 1980. Hsiang-kang kung fu tien ying yen chiu : ti ssu chieh Hsiang- kang kui chi tien ying chieh, i chiu pa ling nien ssu yeueh san jih chih shih pa jih, Ta hui t'ang = A study of the Hong Kong martial arts film : the 4th Hong Kong International Film Festival, April 3-18, 1980, City Hall. Published in English and Chinese, hsien tz'u 1980. PN1993.5.H6 H65 1980 $8.00 Presented by the Urban Council. Hong Kong International Film Festival, 4th, 1980. Ti ssu chieh Hsiang-kang kuo chi tien ing chieh : Ta hui t'ang cheu yeuan chi yen chiang t'ing, i chui pa ling nien ssu yeueh san jih chih shih pa jih, Yeu le hsi yeuan, i chiu pa ling nien ssu yeyeh shih jih chih shih san jih = The fourth Hong Kong International Film Festival : City Hall Theatre & Lecture Hall, april 3-18, 1980, King's Theatre, April 10-13, 1980. PN1993.4.H66 Orien China $8.00 Shih cheng cheu chu pan. Hong Kong International Film Festival (5th : 1981). Hsiang-kang wu hsia tien ying yen chiu (1945-1980) : ti 5 chieh Hsiang-kang kuo chi tien ying chieh, Ta hui t'ang yen chiang t'ing, 1981 nien 4 yeueh 9 jih chih 24 jih = A study of the Hong Kong swordplay film (1945-1980), April 9-24, 1981, City Hall Lecture Hall. PN1995.9.H3 H6 1981 Orien China HK$10.00 paperback ISBN 9627040037 Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Emdreams, CNI News, Contact ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Forum, _PEER_ Perspectives, ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ the Nausicaa list, Tadream, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ & Hong Kong Film Connection ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: sfeldman@w... ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6632 Re: Little TD-content, but important? (Hong Kong Marcel Engels Sat 8/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 2:07 am Subject: Re: Stratosfear '86? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 06:29 PM 8/14/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: FredYargui@a... > > >Several mails speak about 'Stratosfear 86'. Well, I know Stratosfear 76 and >95 (94 on a release with _Quasar_ as bonus track, but it's the same one), but >WHAT'S THAT?? Ah! You need to get your paws on some concert recordings. For instance, the Logos concert was about 2 hours long. You're missing about 30 minutes of new material. But as far as Stratosfear '86, TD whipped up an updated version of Stratosfear and played it during 1986 concerts. Much in the same way as the new versions of Phaedra and Logos-Blue that appear on Tangents were first played in 1988 and have been played for almost every concert up to the present (1988-1997). Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 3:46 am Subject: Re: Chris-toph-er Franke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-08-13 22:56:50 EDT, you write: << On some albums, it's just plain Chris, on some others it's Christoph, and recently it now seems to be Christopher. Why all the name changes? Anyone know why, and more importantly, when? It's just that some of my friends seem to think that they are different people! Steve. >> I think the change from Christoph to Chris was when he moved to California from Germany. The name was 'Englishized' to make him seem more accessible. The change to Chris was a double effort in this regard. Now that he has achieved 'star status', primarily due to his renowned work on Babylon 5, he can be a little less accessible without fear of alienation. It can also serve to raise him up on the professional ladder a bit, and allow him to make more money as a dignified composer. The title change will suit. Soon you may see him revert to Christoph to isolate him further from the crowd. By then he will be a music icon, and he will need the change to indicate a separation from all the other Christophers in the music business. Ultimately when he becomes a world renowned creator he will change his last name to something like _Phranque_ in order to reserve him a place in the music hall of fame, etc. That way he will be remembered for generations and there will be no more confusion about who we are talking about. Any further questions? Yours in truth and partial jest. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6613 Re: Chris-toph-er Franke Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 8/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 10:48 pm Subject: phono needles, etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Hi groovy guys and gals! Going through some boxes of stuff from a record store I used to own I found a couple boxes of phonograph needles, cartridge assemblies, stylus cleaner, and assorted Diskwasher packages. If anyone here is in need of such items, let me know off list. There are Stanton, Shure, Empire needles, a few Audio-Technica cartridges of mid-hi end quality, some cd cleaning systems, some D-4 Discwasher fluid and such. Drag out that old turntable and see what ya got. This is not for money! I'd much rather trade a tape or what-not! Cheers, Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: MPEG3 alternative to tape trading... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ryan Smith I've had the entire released discography of 70s TD for a while now, and my need for more has inevitably led me to consider the dark underworld of tape trading. Whenever I hear mention of the infamous Rheims Cathedral concert or the illusive Ultima Thule single, my ears water at the thought of being able to hear TD music again for the first time. So far though, I haven't had enough initiative to actually buy anything from anybody (and I don't have anything worth trading yet), so my desire is left to smolder for the moment. Actually, lack of initiative is only part of the problem. The other parts are: 1. I don't own anything to play tapes with and I probably wouldn't want to buy a tape deck just to play a couple tapes with. 2. The quality of b**ts is always questionable, but this is especially true of tapes which degrade each generation. 3. CD-Rs cost too much (Since I have a very small music budget, I'd rather spend $30 on 2 Klaus Schultze CDs that on one TD b**t of questionable quality.) OK, so maybe I'm whining too much, but I thought I'd throw this idea out there anyway to see what you guys think: If we did trading by MPEG3 instead of tape or CDR it would make things a lot easier. First of all, MPEG3 costs nothing to encode, copy or play assuming you have a decent computer and whatever you need to hook it up to your input or output. Also, the quality won't degrade from the original recording, and they can be sent via email or ftp thus saving on postage and avoiding any UPS strikes. I would assume that if someone has the technical knowledge to create a CD-R recording, encoding an MPEG3 would be relatively easy. OK, I realize a 20 minute MP3 track is going take up some space, but I'd rather wait a couple hours on a 15meg download than wait a week on the postal service. Any thoughts on this? Kaldari kaldari@c... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6610 Re: MPEG3 alternative to tape trading... Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 8/15/1997 4 KB 6636 Re: MPEG3 alternative to tape trading... feldon@p... Fri 8/15/1997 5 KB 6689 Re: MPEG3 alternative to tape trading... Plumer, Scott Mon 8/18/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 7:28 am Subject: Re: The Sorcerer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) Mark, thanks for the media release numbers. Sorry I wasn't more specific. It's an LP (almost 100% sure its the MCL 1646 (GB) release - I'll check over the weekend). It's the label on the 'B' side which has a spelling mistake. As mentioned earlier it says 'THE SCORCHER' instead of 'THE SORCERER'. It's just the label that I'm interested in particularly. I'm just wondering whether it was anything 'special' or whether it was the norm on this release. Thanks again, Lawry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 8:52 am Subject: Re: MPEG3 alternative to tape trading... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: Ryan Smith > [ Ryan's trading problems snipped ] My own problem with tape trading lies primarily in getting started : I don't have any tapes of my own, so how do you start? Is there an ettiquette associated with this activity? Is it acceptable for me to swap a copy of something that X taped to get something else from Y? And how do I start? What would that first few swaps be? [MPEG3 stuff cut ] > >OK, I realize a 20 minute MP3 track is going take up some space, but I'd >rather wait a couple hours on a 15meg download than wait a week on the >postal service. Any thoughts on this? > This might be great for you Americans, but here in the UK we'd have a bit of a problem. We don't get free local calls, and at the cheapest rate a two-hour download will cost £1.20. And if you were actually talking about swapping whole 'tapes', then you'd be looking at decidedly more than 20mins - more 45 to 100mins, I'd guess. Damn British Telecom for not giving us free local calls! Sounds like a good idea, too. ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 8:21 am Subject: Stratosfear 86 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Really-From: FredYargui@a... > >Several mails speak about 'Stratosfear 86'. Well, I know Stratosfear 76 and >95 (94 on a release with _Quasar_ as bonus track, but it's the same one), but >WHAT'S THAT?? > >Read you soon... > Hi, as can be heard on several bootlegs (or, as I did, on the 1986 concert at West German Broadcast in Cologne), TD with new member Haslinger played Stratosfear at the beginning of their concerts. I guess that is meant with 'Stratosfear 86'. Armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 8:58 am Subject: RE: Free Calls ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) > Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 (snipped) > Damn British Telecom for not giving us free local calls! Sounds like > a good idea, too. It's great idea... until some bright spark realises that the company can lose a great deal of revenue. My local cable company (Telewest) gave free local calls, which was ace because our local ISP was on cable. Then they decided to exclude certain numbers from the deal... and guess whose number was excluded?! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 9:47 am Subject: Re: Chris-toph-er Franke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 ><< On some albums, it's just plain Chris, on some others it's Christoph, > and recently it now seems to be Christopher. > > Why all the name changes? Anyone know why, and more importantly, when? > It's just that some of my friends seem to think that they are different > people! > > Steve. >> That's why the announcer on Encore pauses - to check which versions of his name he's using on this particular tour : 'Edgar Froese, Peter Baumann, and Chris ... (er) ... Franke'. Heck, he even invents his own variant - he's seen the Chris, Christoph and Christopher, so he opts for a new combination of the syllables to produce 'Chris-er'. No 'toph' and with the enphasis definitely on the Chris. ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 9:26 am Subject: Released: The KEEP..Dream Mixes II.. Movie Scores.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' This is NOT a joke :) All info from the Official Tangerine Dream WebPage...!! This is straght cut n' paste.. sorrie for the lack of spacing between words. _______________________________________________________ THE KEEP will arrive in record stores near you very soon now! After 13 years of negotiations between Virgin Rec., Paramount Picturesand Tadream Production, we proudly announce the first official releaseof the Tangerine Dream soundtrack for the Michael Mann movie »THE KEEP«in January '98. Edgar spend more than six weeks to bring the originalscore material from the early 80's into a CD format. Jerome finallydid TD's DQC mastering work. What the fans will hear on the soundtrack CDis most of the material known from the picture plus some of those trackswhich have not been used within the movie due to director's decision.The soundtrack will be out on January, 15th via Virgin Records. Onemonth prior to the official release a very special designed edition ofjust 150 copies will go to those of you, who place the order for onecopy each - a special subscribers list will be set up next month onthis website.Edgar and Jerome also just finished some final editing for a score tothe maybe most interesting computer animated images you«ve seen so far.The producer of the very successful »Minds Eye« series, Steven Churchill,introduced TD to the Japanese Video and computer artist, Yoichiro Kawaguchi.He was called by the National Geographic Magazine the »Picasso of computeranimation«. The 60 min. video of their collaboration will be called»Luminous Visions« and will be out on Sony Music Videos in late January '98.A soundtrack release is also planned.Also within the first three month of '98 you will have the chance toorder some of the, up till now, unreleased Tangerine Dream scores.Among the first three will be »Red Night«, »Forbidden« and »Red Heat«.We will update you on all release dates.Before TD prepares the final settings for their UK tour in Oct./November,Edgar and Jerome departed for a strange musical and geographical trip.The two of them are composing the score for a experimental film abouta journey on the Transsiberian Railway from Moscow to Novosebirsk on theAsian side of melting old Russia. The film will be shot in black and white.Release of the soundtrack probably early February '98. More details on thisproject will be brought to you very soon - when Edgar and Jerome finishedtheir »laptop extravaganzia« among elk's and friendly siberian bears.Can you imagine what an incredible amount of work the Froese's went throughin the first half of '97? You maybe will by listening to DREAM MIXES II -just finished as part of their »relaxing summer holidays« in TD's austrianstudio - we will soon let you know about the release date.Finally watch out for the new contest announcement soon _____________________________________________________ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6617 Re: Released: The KEEP Grant Middleton Fri 8/15/1997 3 KB 6619 Re: Released: The KEEP..Dream Mixes II.. Movie Sc Gabe Yedid Fri 8/15/1997 2 KB 6624 Re: Released: The KEEP..Dream Mixes II.. Movie Sc Vincent Goudreault Fri 8/15/1997 3 KB 6627 Re: Released: The KEEP..Dream Mixes II.. Movie Sc TangerineC@a... Fri 8/15/1997 2 KB 6629 Re: Released: The KEEP..Dream Mixes II.. Movie Sc Sean Montgomery Fri 8/15/1997 4 KB 6639 Re: Released: The KEEP..Dream Mixes II.. Movie Sc Gabe Yedid Sat 8/16/1997 4 KB 6641 Re: Released: The KEEP..Dream Mixes II.. Movie Sc Hermes Guzman Sat 8/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 9:44 am Subject: TD bg music in ReAir of Tyson/Holyfield fight ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' I was watching tonight, the national broadcast of the Tyson/Holyfield fight (the ear biting one :) It was on ABC here in America.. and all through the commentary about the fight, the interviews, and at the start and end of commercial breaks.. Tangerine Dream music was played throughout I heard tracks from Goblin's Club ( Rising Haul in Silence, and Towards the Evening Star) and Melrose (various tracks) Thought it was really interesting though to hear TD behind an enraged Tyson talking in the camera! Imagine all the people who heard the music.. and may never know.. Greg... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6654 Re: TD bg music in ReAir of Tyson/Holyfield fight GrafZeigen@a... Sat 8/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 11:09 am Subject: The KEEP in 'CD Format' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 I hope that the work that Edgar has done / is doing on the Keep soundtrack to get it into CD Format doesn't equate to 'tangentizing' it! And by my reckoning, that would make 7 (yes SEVEN) new releases from TD in the first three months of next year! Better save up that Christmas money, boys and girls! ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6626 Re: The KEEP in 'CD Format' TangerineC@a... Fri 8/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 11:46 am Subject: Re: Released: The KEEP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > This is NOT a joke :) So why did you put a freakin' smiley after it ? > THE KEEP will arrive in record stores near you very soon now! Erm, let me see, August, September, October, November, December, January. Five calendar months to the day. Very soon ? I don't think the '90s 'Keep' could be as good as the '80s one, though. :-D Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 1:07 pm Subject: Re: D:Raven ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-08-14 15:32:55 EDT, you write: << Well Phil, I wasn't faltering on my opinion, just making sure that my 3AS doesn't confuse someone to such a point that they send me the bill for the CD. Vic >> Good point. And probably wise in the financial sense. ;-) Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 1:23 pm Subject: Re: Released: The KEEP..Dream Mixes II.. Movie Scores.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid All I can say is if that's TD's idea of a vacation, I'd really hate to see what happens when they truly put their noses to the grindstone! Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 1:35 pm Subject: RE: Egad! A Gal! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> *a* woman?? What about the rest of us?? I can guarantee you there's more >>than 1 woman on this list ;) Granted, we're a little bit outnumbered.... but >>I guess that just makes for more interesting conversation, eh? >Yes, there is more than one female on the digest actually. We just enjoy >lurking at the back listening to you boyz... >Jules C Here's another one with a man's name! (David, not Jules) What a strange penomenon! I wonder if this is related to the Walter/Wendy Carlos thing? :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 1:36 pm Subject: RE: TDI WHINE WHINE WHINE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >TDI... I can almost ALWAYS find what I want...Why can't you??? 8^D >Mike J, Chicago Because you live in Chicago? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6740 Re: TDI WHINE WHINE WHINE Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 8/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 2:09 pm Subject: Red Shift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ashok prema >>Hey, Ash, do you know how successful Redshift has been in >>comparison to earlier Shreeve releases, and how likely he >>would be to repeat the experiment ? Well, how long we, the converted been at you lot to get in there and sample this nothing short of brilliant piece of 'Rubyconesque' ??? A US company called 'Echoes' contacted me weeks ago for a second batch of 'Red Shift' cd's - I had to tell them that they were all gone - and a re-press may not be on the cards!!!! You'll probably still get them from the suppliers 'whilst stocks last' - after that - start paying throught the nose!! Having said that, the 2nd Red Shift album is almost complete and should be available by October/November. Wonder if its as good as the first one! Finally, after numerous listenings of 'Tournado' - I think its very good - and for me puts TD back in the 'Masters' list rather than 'Past masters' - look forward to the November tour with glee!! Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6642 Re: Red Shift Rich Maggio Sat 8/16/1997 3 KB 6648 Red Shift neato@p... Sat 8/16/1997 3 KB 6684 Re: Red Shift Grant Middleton Mon 8/18/1997 3 KB 6687 Re: Red Shift feldon@p... Mon 8/18/1997 3 KB 6691 Re: Red Shift Vincent Goudreault Mon 8/18/1997 3 KB 6694 Re: Red Shift feldon@p... Tue 8/19/1997 3 KB 6708 No TD content: Re: CD Production costs Grant Middleton Tue 8/19/1997 4 KB 6737 Red Shift ashok prema Thu 8/21/1997 3 KB 26087 Re: Red Shift Frank Arellano Tue 2/20/2001 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 2:19 pm Subject: re: concert tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Really-From: Ryan Smith >I've had the entire released discography of 70s TD for a while now, and >my need for more has inevitably led me to consider the dark underworld of >tape trading. Whenever I hear mention of the infamous Rheims Cathedral >concert or the illusive Ultima Thule single, my ears water at the thought >of being able to hear TD music again for the first time. [...] Actually, lack of >initiative is only part of the problem. >The other parts are: [...] >2. The quality of b**ts is always questionable, but this is especially >true of tapes which degrade each generation. [...] Hi Ryan I wanted to address some of your concerns here since I know they are shared by other listees (I'll attempt to keep this short ;-). A year ago, I was in a similar position. I had most of the legit TD, one boot (staatsgrenze west) and no tapes. I didn't own a working tape deck, I didn't think the quality of tapes would be worth the investment and I just hadn't been exposed to many other boots. Then list member Robert Forman kindly sent me a concert tape and turned me on to 'the dark side.' (thanks Darth, err Robert!) Ryan, you may well find (as I have) that boots and tapes really will quench your thirst for new TD (not that I own any boots ;-) There is so much unreleased and fantastic stuff out there just waiting to be discovered by you, don't let a little tape hiss and some pops and crackles get in your way, LIFE IS WAY TOO SHORT! Sure, I'm a tweak when it comes to good sound like everyone else on this list, but I've found it's the music that really matters to me most and there is so much of it out there. I wouldn't wait for Edgar to release his '25-disc mega best of TD rare tapes' collection; I'll believe it (and buy it) when I see it but I'm not waiting for him (especially not if he is going to 'tangentize' it or re-record it). (BTW I haven't given up pushing for the 'list rarity' suggestion, I'm just reviewing my tapes attempting to come up with some more ideas to add to the discussion and I hope others are too.) Your point about boot quality is well taken. Yes, some boots do have pretty mediocre to downright crappy quality (ardem-o, collected endings, sounds & effects come to mind) but for each one of these there are plenty of others with very good to fantastic quality: eg: Antarktis+20th Century seranades, & Coefficient of Aural Expansion (which, if you're a 70s TD fan is an absolute must!) Plus many of the boots out there have been made from the better fan tapes (quality wise), FM broadcasts and even a few from soundboard tapes. And a recent trend has been for some tapes to undergo digital processing to enhance their quality. Obviously we're not talking about Jerome's DQC mastering here but some of these recordings are not as bad as you may think. Even so, the *material* on boots like Live! Improvised! or Me-rad is more than worth the quality problems inherent in this 'medium.' If you could listen to stuff like L!I!, Me-rad, Antarktis + 20th century Seranades, Logos Type/Logotypes, Sonambulistic Imagery, Three Tier Dream + 3 Tier Dream On, Danger Live, or Patrolling Space Borders you'd probably be completely BLOWN AWAY! Indeed, there are many concerts out there with IMO fantastic quality that are ONLY available as concert tapes (the FM broadcast of the 4.4.77 Washington DC concert comes to mind). Additionally, for 'real' fans, I consider boots (really pirates) like Rare Trax 1 to be an absolute must with all that fantastic early material like: Lady Greengrass/Love of Mine, Ultima Thule, Oszillator Planet Concert, Overture, Horns of Doom, House of the Rising Sun ... If you have a moral objection to boots (many of which I'd bet are not all that profitable) or to paying the price for CDRs (which probably really reflect more the actual costs of production and distribution than any attempt at undue profiteering) -- then trade tapes. Tapes are a cheap and easy investment to make. That $30 you spend for those two KS CDS could buy you 15-20 c90 blank tapes which, with a little effort, could be traded for plenty of concerts. Plus and perhaps best of all is the network you create will trading TD items and tapes. I've made lots of friends with people on and off the list who share my love of TD in any format -- and I try to meet as many of them in person during my travels. That's an experience I'd never have had otherwise. best of luck quenching that thirst of yours; I'd be more than happy to help ;-) lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6643 Re: concert tapes TWeibre361@a... Sat 8/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 2:10 pm Subject: Re: Released: The KEEP..Dream Mixes II.. Movie Scores.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Aug 15, 9:23am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Released: The KEEP..Dream Mixes II.. Movie Scores.. > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > All I can say is if that's TD's idea of a vacation, I'd really hate to > see what happens when they truly put their noses to the grindstone! > > Gabe > Something like 'Rubycon', perhaps... Sorry, I just *had* to write this 8-) C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 2:48 pm Subject: Re: SHRIEVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-08-15 04:26:25 EDT, you write: << Michael Shrieve... Never heard his music, have no idea... > You wanna? 'Fascination' is on my 'to be traded' shelf. :-(. He > is a drummer (not particularly impressive) >> not impressive? i urge u to listen/re-listen to his work on santana's caravanseri album,,, tom w np: tortoise Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6741 Re: SHRIEVE Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 8/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 3:02 pm Subject: Re: The KEEP in 'CD Format' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-08-15 06:43:43 EDT, you write: << And by my reckoning, that would make 7 (yes SEVEN) new releases from TD in the first three months of next year! Better save up that Christmas money, boys and girls! >> O.k. I'm lost now!!! What 7 new releases are going to be released? And when the heck is all this unreleased stuff coming out? It's been said again and again, but we only get snippets like whats on Dream Roots or Tangents. Anybody have any ideas? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 3:07 pm Subject: Re: Released: The KEEP..Dream Mixes II.. Movie Scores.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-08-15 05:37:38 EDT, you write: << Edgar spend more than six weeks to bring the originalscore material from the early 80's into a CD format. >> This is about The Keep. And I say Whoop De Freakin' doo! It took 6 weeks? We waited how many years for this? Just because it took Edgar 6 weeks to master this, doesnt impress me. Although my prayers have been answered! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 16, 1997 12:27 am Subject: The Keep,RedNights, etc. released soon! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Richard Bilek See http://www.netstore.de/tadream/news.html#NewsTicker for details From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 3:51 pm Subject: Re: Released: The KEEP..Dream Mixes II.. Movie Scores.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Edgar spend more than six weeks to bring the originalscore material > from the early 80's into a CD format. I too wonder if this is code for 're-record'. Especially after the 'Zoning' experience. On the other hand, it promises to be a better deal than the Legend soundtrack, in that it promises previously unavailable tracks. And hell, why am I complaining...this is the soundtrack I've ben waiting for! The computer animation soundtrack sounds interesting...at the very least it promises to provide better eye candy than the cheesy Phaedra video on Three Phase. > within the first three month of '98 you will have the chance toorder some > of the, up till now, unreleased Tangerine Dream scores.Among the first > three will be »Red Night«, »Forbidden« and »Red Heat«. Can anyone who's seen these movies comment on the musical quality of the soundtracks? I would almost prefer it if a producer with a good objective ear would cull three of four soundtracks down into one solid album, rather than several mediocre ones. Time will tell. > The two of them are composing the score for a experimental film about a journey on the Transsiberian Railway from Moscow to Novosebirsk I have a title: 'Towards the Evening Gulag'. > the Froese's went throughin the first half of '97? You maybe will by > listening to DREAM MIXES II -just finished as part of their »relaxing > summer holidays« So there *will* be another one? Well, this is good news! I wonder what pieces that they've chosen to redo? There are a few tracks from Goblin's Club that would certainly benefit from the discipline of a consistent sequencer line. At the same time, I suspect that this may the 'future Tangerine Dream release' referred to on the 96 and 97 tour singles. Or maybe I'm just a hopeless pessimist? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6639 Re: Released: The KEEP..Dream Mixes II.. Movie Sc Gabe Yedid Sat 8/16/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 4:26 pm Subject: Epsilon In Malaysian Pale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... Does anybody have Epsilon In Malaysian Pale by Edagar Froese on cd that they would like to sell me? Let me know. Thanks. TangerineC@a... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30254 Re: Epsilon In Malaysian Pale mengels@w... Mon 11/26/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 4:26 pm Subject: From Dawn til Dusk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... Still looking to buy From Dawn til Dusk on CD to complete my collection. Please let me know if you'd like to sell it to me. TangerineC@a... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 11468 From Dawn til Dusk Plumer, Scott Fri 2/27/1998 2 KB 11471 Re: From Dawn til Dusk PENFOLD Fri 2/27/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 4:16 pm Subject: Re: Little TD-content, but important? (Hong Kong film) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > FACE/OFF was directed by John Woo, the Hong Kong action acteur who > has, so far, had more success in the USA than other Hong Kong action > directors. Wow, thanks for all the info Steven. There's more info behind these movie as I thought. It's seems to me that Face/Off is a different movie then the previous movies John Woo made. Or am I wrong. I'm not really a Van Damme fan, but some of his films are OK. If they're in the same vein (I really liked the story and Cages play) then I'm definitely going to check the other movies out. Thanks! Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 7:02 pm Subject: Bootlegs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... anybody know where I can find this bootleg? Prayer of Quiet Dreams [ 1.0] 18:15 Legend [ 2.0] 3:00 Wavelength [ 3.0] 5:04 Shy People [ 4.0] 2:29 Strange Behavior I [ 5.0] 2:11 Strange Behavior II [ 6.0] 2:07 Red Heat [ 7.0] 1:09 Pauline et Lordinateur [ 8.0] 3:53 Heartbreakers [ 9.0] 3:52 Geradeaus bis zum Morgen [10.0] 6:03 Rainbow Drive [11.0] 5:33 Risky Business [12.0] 7:21 Backstreet Hero [13.0] 8:12 Hamlet ------------- total = 69:15 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7591 Bootlegs John Christian Thu 10/9/1997 3 KB 7596 Re: Bootlegs vs. Pirates, sounds like a football feldon@p... Wed 10/8/1997 5 KB 7623 Re: Bootlegs vs. Pirates, sounds like a football John Christian Thu 10/9/1997 5 KB 7602 Re: Bootlegs Plumer, Scott Wed 10/8/1997 4 KB 7618 Re: Bootlegs John Christian Thu 10/9/1997 7 KB 13221 Bootlegs Steve Jenkins Tue 4/21/1998 3 KB 13223 Re: Bootlegs SRiser3600 Tue 4/21/1998 2 KB 13225 Re: Bootlegs KRAUSENECKS Tue 4/21/1998 3 KB 30272 Bootlegs Colin Jouxson Tue 11/27/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 2:14 pm Subject: Keep ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox >This is about The Keep. And I say Whoop De Freakin' doo! It took 6 weeks? We >waited how many years for this? Just because it took Edgar 6 weeks to master >this, doesnt impress me.<< And what, pray tell, Tom, DOES impress you? Mike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6637 Re: Keep TangerineC@a... Sat 8/16/1997 2 KB 6638 Re: Keep TangerineC@a... Sat 8/16/1997 2 KB 6679 Re: Keep PNaunton@a... Mon 8/18/1997 2 KB 30350 Keep Admin Sun 12/2/2001 2 KB 30363 Re: Keep Owens, James Mon 12/3/2001 2 KB 34940 Keep Admin Tue 7/23/2002 2 KB 34942 Re: Keep Mark Filipak Tue 7/23/2002 2 KB 34951 Re: Keep Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 7/23/2002 3 KB 34953 Re: Keep Chris Owen Tue 7/23/2002 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 2:12 pm Subject: Shrieve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox ><< Michael Shrieve... Never heard his music, have no idea... > > You wanna? 'Fascination' is on my 'to be traded' shelf. :-(. He > > is a drummer (not particularly impressive) >> > >not impressive? i urge u to listen/re-listen to his work on santana's >caravanseri album,,, or Welcome.... Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 8:15 pm Subject: Re: MPEG3 alternative to tape trading... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 12:52 AM 8/15/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Ryan Smith > > >I've had the entire released discography of 70s TD for a while now, and >my need for more has inevitably led me to consider the dark underworld of >tape trading. Dark underworld? Read TD's homepage. Edgar all but endorses fans having concert tapes (as long as it doesn't eat into profit margins). After all, fans who want concert tapes have already purchased most of TD's released stuff ANYWAY. They deserve concert tapes. Whenever I hear mention of the infamous Rheims Cathedral >concert or the illusive Ultima Thule single, my ears water at the thought >of being able to hear TD music again for the first time. Well, these are definately early works. The music predates Rubycon and is less cohesive than either it or Phaedra. However it's a good listen if you love these two discs. >Actually, lack of initiative is only part of the problem. >The other parts are: >1. I don't own anything to play tapes with and I probably wouldn't want >to buy a tape deck just to play a couple tapes with. Ok, this will be a limiting factor. If you like Logos, get the Logotypes CD. There are other CDs floating around. I don't know which are the best. I've had my eyes on '3 Tier Dream' for a while. Three discs, each from a specific year. The set is $80. >2. The quality of b**ts is always questionable, but this is especially >true of tapes which degrade each generation. Boots do suffer from sound quality problems. This will have to be accepted. A tape made from a DAT master or CD master will be fine, but a copy of a copy of a copy... well, you know what I mean. >3. CD-Rs cost too much (Since I have a very small music budget, I'd >rather spend $30 on 2 Klaus Schultze CDs that on one TD b**t of >questionable quality.) Well... I can't say much about this short of 'waaaah!'. It is a pain in the butt to put a boot or any kind of music onto a CD-R. $30 is nothing! >OK, so maybe I'm whining too much, but I thought I'd throw this idea out >there anyway to see what you guys think: If we did trading by MPEG3 >instead of tape or CDR it would make things a lot easier. First of all, >MPEG3 costs nothing to encode, copy or play assuming you have a decent >computer and whatever you need to hook it up to your input or output. You're talking some big files... >Also, the quality won't degrade from the original recording, and they can The quality will degrade! In the MPEG compression. >be sent via email or ftp thus saving on postage and avoiding any UPS >strikes. E-mail servers refuse to accept files larger than 2-3 megs. >I would assume that if someone has the technical knowledge to >create a CD-R recording, encoding an MPEG3 would be relatively easy. OK, >I realize a 20 minute MP3 track is going take up some space, but I'd >rather wait a couple hours on a 15meg download than wait a week on the >postal service. Any thoughts on this? It's an interesting idea. Actually, I am in the process of digitizing some stuff from Logotypes and putting up some MPEG3 files to get people interested (not for profit, of course). But I don't see this is a replacement to CDs or tapes, much as I don't see DVD as a replacement for the much superior Laserdisc format. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 8:50 pm Subject: Re: Keep ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-08-15 15:55:21 EDT, you write: << And what, pray tell, Tom, DOES impress you? Mike >> well, let's see. what would impress me is when edgar finally releases the vault of unreleased stuff. or maybe a ten box set of all rare stuff. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 8:47 pm Subject: Re: Keep ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-08-15 15:55:21 EDT, you write: << And what, pray tell, Tom, DOES impress you? Mike >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 10:22 pm Subject: Re: Released: The KEEP..Dream Mixes II.. Movie Scores.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > Edgar spend more than six weeks to bring the originalscore material > > from the early 80's into a CD format. > > I too wonder if this is code for 're-record'. Especially after the > 'Zoning' experience. On the other hand, it promises to be a better deal > than the Legend soundtrack, in that it promises previously unavailable > tracks. And hell, why am I complaining...this is the soundtrack I've > ben waiting for! Maybe he'll do it right this time, and re-record it on the original gear? > The computer animation soundtrack sounds interesting...at the very least > it promises to provide better eye candy than the cheesy Phaedra video on > Three Phase. We'll have to wait and see; hopefully, the *music* will be at least as good as _Oasis_, of not something better or different. > > The two of them are composing the score for a experimental film about a > journey on the Transsiberian Railway from Moscow to Novosebirsk > > I have a title: 'Towards the Evening Gulag'. > Is this another Konchalovsky project? > > the Froese's went throughin the first half of '97? You maybe will by > > listening to DREAM MIXES II -just finished as part of their »relaxing > > summer holidays« > > So there *will* be another one? Well, this is good news! I wonder what > pieces that they've chosen to redo? There are a few tracks from > Goblin's Club that would certainly benefit from the discipline of > a consistent sequencer line. At the same time, I suspect that this may > the 'future Tangerine Dream release' referred to on the 96 and 97 tour > singles. Or maybe I'm just a hopeless pessimist? > Maybe now I'll get that trance mix of 'Network 23' I've wanted for so long ;). At the very least, I hope it's as organic and well-executed as the first one. Here's to hoping the Law of Diminishing Returns doesn't raise its ugly head. > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 11:00 pm Subject: Re: Egad! A Gal! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >> *a* woman?? What about the rest of us?? I can guarantee you > >> there's more than 1 woman on this list ;) ... > > > Yes, there is more than one female on the digest actually. We > > just enjoy lurking at the back listening to you boyz... > > > Jules C > > Here's another one with a man's name! (David, not Jules) What a > strange penomenon! I wonder if this is related to the Walter/Wendy > Carlos thing? :-) No. It's related to the fact that Jules is David Hughes' beloved and she's using Dave's email account. Hi Jules! Nice to hear from you. Hope we get more in the future. The views of women with or without famous and talented musical hubbies is truely valued and always welcome. What are your fave-3 TD albums? -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Released: The KEEP..Dream Mixes II.. Movie Scores.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! Steve...Steve...STEVE!! Hey, will somebody help me get Steve up off the floor! ; ) goozer PS: I'm gonna be SO broke after Christmas... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 15, 1997 11:53 pm Subject: Re: Red Shift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Rich Maggio Ouch! My copy of Red Shift is in that order. I have been calling them about once every 3 weeks and they tell me it is still on back order. Is there an alternative place that has them? I really would like to get a copy of this CD since everyone raves about it, plus Rubycon is one of my fave TD CDs. It would also be a bummer to have Red Shift II and not have I. Thanks, Rich Maggio > > A US company called 'Echoes' contacted me weeks ago for a second batch of > 'Red Shift' cd's - I had to tell them that they were all gone - and a > re-press may not be on the cards!!!! > You'll probably still get them from the suppliers 'whilst stocks last' - > after that - start paying throught the nose!! > > Having said that, the 2nd Red Shift album is almost complete and should be > available by October/November. > Wonder if its as good as the first one! > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 16, 1997 12:43 am Subject: Re: concert tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-08-15 13:04:26 EDT, you write: << File: reconcer (5150 bytes) DL Time (28800 bps): < 1 minute >> very well said....for me there is nothing better than a fan tape..... tom w np: live lisner aud, gwu, wash. dc 77 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 16, 1997 3:24 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #10 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jonathan Sands' > Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > Hey, here's another one! No, not another Yeti, another woman! Yeah, on the > Tadream mailing list. This one's wierd, though - her name's Jonathan! > > (Apologies, Kim, startling scientific discoveries do this to me.) > No apologies necessary, Craig. Jonathan is my hubby-to-be :) We share the account, but it comes up in his name - must do something about that before it goes to his head ;) Best part is, though, I turned him into a TD fan! (do I get extra point for that?) And yes, I'm a little weird :) but who isn't?? Thanks for the compliment! Kim ps - Hey guys (& gals), don't go slamming UPS too much until you've had to deal with Airborne Express for a while (shudder....). I'll take UPS anyday! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 16, 1997 11:31 am Subject: Klaus Schultze recomendations ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Alexander Bjelke I'm sorry to bring this subject to this list, but you are the best people(that I know) to help me; To broaden my horisont in e-music I want to buy some K. Schultze albums, but I don't know what to buy. I was hoping that you might have some suggestions which to buy first. Thank You Regards Alexander Bjelke -- - o Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6647 Re: Klaus Schultze recomendations Mark Filipak Sat 8/16/1997 4 KB 6651 Re: Klaus Schultze recomendations Alexander Bjelke Sun 8/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 16, 1997 11:06 am Subject: Tyger - 1996 Castle release - Help needed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi All. I have the 1987 Jive and 1992 Relativity releases of Tyger, but I don't have the 1996 Castle release. Would some kind person post a track list? Specifically, which versions of the title track, 'Tyger,' and of 'Alchemy of the Heart,' and of 'Smile' are found thereon? For those who are curious: Track 1, 'Tyger' - The 1992 version of the title track is way different as has been discussed extensively here over the past year. I like them both but prefer the original -- slower and without the overdubs or echo. The difference is that the 1992 version preceeds the main vocal with an instrumental intro instead of a vocal intro, then overdubs the main vocal with a back-beat percussion track, all the while processing the vocal through an echo. Which version is used in the Castle release constitutes the majority of my question as the other tracks are all quite similar. The original version of track 1 is called 'Jungle Mystery Song' on THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION. The 1992 version (which I call 'Tyger 1992') is only found on the Relativity release to the best of my knowledge. Track 4, 'Smile' - The 1992 remix of 'Smile' has either some overdubs or just a different emphasis -- I can't tell which and it makes me crazy to try. Every time I think I've detected a difference, I discover that the instrument track in doubt is present in both, but is somehow different in a way I can't quite put my finger on. Would one of you musicians like to comment?. In any event, these differences are subtle. The major difference only becomes evident if you have the opportunity to listen to both. The remix is slightly sped up and has better definition. I like the remix better than the original. Track 3, 'Alchemy of the Heart' - I divide this track into four parts: a three minute rock call & response, followed by a three minute rock fugue, followed by a 5 minute love song, and ending with a 1 minute piano conclusion. The 1992 remix is identical to the original except for the first part (the rock call & response) which is decidedly peppier (ie, faster) but has the same instrumentation. Again, I prefer the remix. The other tracks are brighter in the remix. The remix also has an extra track (Jerome's 'Vigor') but I'm leaving that out of the discussion because, like the original, the Castle release doesn't include it. Since 'Vigor' isn't on the new, Castle release, I wondered how much Edgar had to do with it's production and this led me to my present questions. I don't want to have to buy the Castle release just to answer them and would appreciate some help. Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 16, 1997 12:00 pm Subject: Re: Klaus Schultze recomendations ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Alexander Bjelke > > I'm sorry to bring this subject to this list, but you are the best > people(that I know) to help me; > > To broaden my horisont in e-music I want to buy some K. Schultze Pleeeese! It's 'Schulze,' not 'Schultze.' :-) > ... albums, but > I don't know what to buy. > I was hoping that you might have some suggestions which to buy first. Ah yes! My son, you've come to the right place! Or should I say, I've gone to the right place. Behold! From KDM's Klaus Schulze web page: The Most Loved KS Records In summer 1996, the members of The KS Circle chose the Top Ten Klaus Schulze albums and titles. Here are the results: Top Ten Klaus Schulze albums 1. Mirage, with a total of 274 points 2. 'X' with 226 points 3. Moondawn (The Original Master) with 221 points (but most people voted for this!) 4. Historic Edition with 207 points 5. Silver Edition with 190 points 6. Timewind with 173 points 7. In Blue with 167 points 8. ...Live... with 166 points 9. Audentity with 126 points 10. En=Trance with 101 points Top Ten Klaus Schulze titles 1. Crystal Lake, from Mirage 2. Floating, from Moondawn (The Original Master) 3. Bayreuth Return, from Timewind 4. Sense (complete version), from ...Live... (CD version) 5. Picasso geht spazieren, from the Silver Edition set 6. Ludwig II, from 'X' 7. Velvet Voyage, from Mirage 8. Wahnfried 1883, from Timewind 9. Into the Blue, from In Blue 10. Dune, from Dune Return of the Tempel, from In Blue followed very close, by: FM Delight, from En=Trance, and Narren des Schicksals, from Silver Edition. This poll will be done every year, by the members of The KS Circle. The detailed results of the 1996 poll , including a ranked list of all 34 albums, can be found in the Circle's newsletter no. 9. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 16, 1997 1:54 pm Subject: Red Shift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: neato@p... : ashok prema >A US company called 'Echoes' contacted me weeks ago for a second batch of >'Red Shift' cd's - I had to tell them that they were all gone - and a >re-press may not be on the cards!!!! >You'll probably still get them from the suppliers 'whilst stocks last' - >after that - start paying throught the nose!! neato says: if echoes contacted you, may i suggest you do another run of cd's...aside from the fact they are a major retailer of electronica, they also have a nationally syndicated radio broadcast..why kill it before its run its course...i'm sure that there are plenty of others like myself who are interested but having never seen it in the stores , still without it... cheers all my mistakes were once acts of genius neato@p... com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 16, 1997 2:12 pm Subject: Alternate Source for REDSHIFT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Shipley Try Windspell. I got my copy from there, but that was a couple of months ago. What do you have to lose? 1-800-597-WIND. If that fails, you can always try an off-shore (non-US) source. I would give CUE Records a try, since they have made it easier/cheaper to buy CD's from them (haven't bought anything from them, just telling you what one of the last e-mails from them said). I can never remember their WWW address, go fish! Craig Shipley craigs@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 16, 1997 2:35 pm Subject: The Keep, Red Heat, Red Nights, et al. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Shipley This is a good thing to hear, but I just hope that Der Froese Konsortium just remasters the old material and doesn't re-record it (ALA Zoning). 'Red Heat' had some good tunes to it (I think the lineup was F/F/S and I would hate to hear their contributions tossed on the dustheap, just to get these 'songs' out). Haven't heard any of the others, so can't comment... Craig Shipley craigs@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 16, 1997 3:30 pm Subject: Re: Klaus Schultze recomendations ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Alexander Bjelke At 05:00 16.08.97 -0700, you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >> Really-From: Alexander Bjelke >> >> I'm sorry to bring this subject to this list, but you are the best >> people(that I know) to help me; >> >> To broaden my horisont in e-music I want to buy some K. Schultze > >Pleeeese! It's 'Schulze,' not 'Schultze.' :-) Well, I will remember that next time!! - and you should also take a look at how you spelled 'please' ;) Thanks alot for your help Mark! Alexander Bjelke -- - o From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 16, 1997 11:40 pm Subject: Re: Kosmische Music 2LP (matrix numbers) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) Hi Mark, Sorry for the delayed response; your message was deleted by my 'twit' filter. Hmmmm....so what was it that you said that was so stupid...<;-) On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:30:41 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >Thanks Mike. > >Needed: Clarification & German/English Translation > >Isn't the title really 'Kosmische Musik?' Yes it is. I didn't bother making spelling corrections to the original post. > >> ... Side 3: >> >> Tangerine Dream: Geburt > >I think 'Geburt' translates to 'Birth.' Previous info on this album >lists 'Genesis' which is 'Ursprung' in German. Can anyone clarify this >discrepancy? Thanks -- Mark Let me look again....nope, it still says 'Geburt'. Actually, the piece IS 'Genesis' from Electronic Meditation. The times differ slightly though. 'Genesis' reads 5:56 on my Jive CD. 'Geburt' reads 6:00 on the Kosmische Musik album. Maybe they used the extra four seconds to add some hidden message. Something like: 'Geburt is actually Genesis on Electronic Meditation'. For added controversy, Schulze's 'Land' doesn't sync up with 'Landpartie' on the Silver Edition. The time for 'Land' is 10:33 on Kosmische Musik; 'Landpartie' is 10:47 on the Silver Edition. Perhaps they used the extra time on the Silver Edition to add a hidden message like: 'Landpartie was previously released as Land on the Kosmische Musik compilation album, despite what KDM claims was a previously unreleased gem'. Regards -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 16, 1997 5:10 pm Subject: Re: Are we getting that old? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-08-15 19:07:31 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 This is indeed a sad state of affairs, Hilmar. However, remember that there is always someone worse-off that yourself - namely me! I have never had the pleasure of experiencing such music on the radio. I believe there is only one e-music radio show in Britain, on local radio (BBC Radio Derby, I think). Whilst this may be one more than in Germany, it's miles away from me and so useless for the majority of the country. What I'm amazed at is with the (fairly) recent deregulation of the airwaves here in Britain, we haven't seen more 'independant' and 'out-there' stations or shows. We seem to have plenty of chat, loads of local stations all playing the same music and saying the same things, but no-one really unique. >> I remember in the 'old days', when Britain was nortorious for censoring music (and films) for relatively absurd reasons, that there were these so-called 'pirate' radio stations on ships that would move around off the coast (and some times up and down the Thames) that played things the 'approved' stations couldn't or wouldn't! Sometimes this resulted in big hits in the UK that people wouldn't have heard otherwise. 'See Emily Play' by Pink Floyd is one that jumps to mind. I believe New York City also had one of these pirate ships in the 80's. Perhaps this could be done again in the 90's for E-Music if someone were willing to get it together and take the risk:-) However, I feel that E-Music is going to start getting a lot of 'push' soon from the powers-that-be....so maybe your prayers (and everyone's) will be answered!! Cheers, Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 16, 1997 5:11 pm Subject: Re: TD bg music in ReAir of Tyson/Holyfield fight ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-08-15 20:05:42 EDT, you write: << Really-From: 'Greg Heil' I was watching tonight, the national broadcast of the Tyson/Holyfield fight (the ear biting one :) It was on ABC here in America.. and all through the commentary about the fight, the interviews, and at the start and end of commercial breaks.. Tangerine Dream music was played throughout I heard tracks from Goblin's Club ( Rising Haul in Silence, and Towards the Evening Star) and Melrose (various tracks) Thought it was really interesting though to hear TD behind an enraged Tyson talking in the camera! Imagine all the people who heard the music.. and may never know...>> I find it appalling that the music of TD would be used as a backdrop for such a horrible spectacle as this fight certainly was. I'm sure Edgar would be too if he knew about it! (Nothing he can do about it, though). However, I was surprised one day when I was watching a bit of golf on NBC (one of the BIG tournaments...don't know which one...I don't really follow golf) and they were using TD for the background music. It was definately 'Touchwood'. I thought this was more of an appropriate use of TD music. In either case, it's still gratifying to know TD is making it onto the public airwaves in some form! It would be nice if the networks would give them musical credit. Graf Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 16, 1997 8:10 pm Subject: Red Nights/Red Heat/ Forbidden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Sean asked what the music from these films is like... Here is my recollection: Red Nights is rather propulsive sequencer based stuff (circa 1987)... It sounds a bit like some of Disc 5 of the DRC. Chase scene kind of stuff... Red Heat (circa 1986) Short, frequently changing themes, some really unusual... maybe something of a cross between The Keep and Underwater Sunlight...(nah that 'sounds' better than it is)...Maybe even a vocal track... Forbidden: Really nice with some 'trumpet' and piano of sounds (Isham)...pretty themes but not alot of music that I recall...Sounds like Johannes may have had some input... A melancholy Le Parc...Then again, what do I know? 8^) Mike Jean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6658 Re: Red Nights/Red Heat/ Forbidden GrafZeigen@a... Sun 8/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 16, 1997 10:47 pm Subject: Mojave Plan MIDI File Now Available ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: sgrace@i... (Steve Grace) Hello Dreamers: I was recently inspired to finish off a MIDI file rendition of 'Mojave Plan' that I started two years ago. It's an excerpt (2:06) from the 'Canyon Part' (as labeled on _Tangents_) in Type 1 MIDI file format. It uses standard General MIDI instruments so it should play fine on any GM synth or sound card. It's available at http://www.ioc.net/~sgrace/download/mojavpln.mid Feel free to distribute this file. Phil Meyer, please add it to your TD MIDI file archive. Steve -------------------------------------- Steve Grace Home Page: http://www.ioc.net/~sgrace/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6659 Re: Mojave Plan MIDI File Now Available Steve Quinney Sun 8/17/1997 2 KB 6675 Re: Mojave Plan MIDI File Now Available Philip Meyer Mon 8/18/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 16, 1997 10:50 pm Subject: Out of town again ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid I will be out of town for 2 weeks. Please do not hesitate to send important messages, flames, death threats etc. to gabe@c... Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 17, 1997 1:00 am Subject: Re: Red Nights/Red Heat/ Forbidden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-08-16 17:59:27 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Michael A Jean Sean asked what the music from these films is like... Here is my recollection: Red Nights is rather propulsive sequencer based stuff (circa 1987)... It sounds a bit like some of Disc 5 of the DRC. Chase scene kind of stuff... Red Heat (circa 1986) Short, frequently changing themes, some really unusual... maybe something of a cross between The Keep and Underwater Sunlight...(nah that 'sounds' better than it is)...Maybe even a vocal track... Forbidden: Really nice with some 'trumpet' and piano of sounds (Isham)...pretty themes but not alot of music that I recall...Sounds like Johannes may have had some input... A melancholy Le Parc...Then again, what do I know? 8^) Mike Jean >> I think you know a lot, Mike! Thanks for the brief and probably very accurate reviews. Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 17, 1997 1:06 am Subject: Re: Mojave Plan MIDI File Now Available ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve Quinney Hey Steve, Nice job !! Sounds really good Steve Quinney From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 17, 1997 2:08 am Subject: Tape trading ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ian Shillingford Regarding the recent discussion of how to 'mail' music, may I suggest an alternate to audiocassette and CD-R? How many people on this list have used a stereo HiFi VCR to copy a CD (purely for experimental purposes of course!)? I have. HiFi stereo VCRs use digital encoding for the stereo soundtracks as well as the usual mono analogue track, so it sounds exactly like the original. I _SUSPECT_ that a PAL hifi tape will still produce hifi sound on an NTSC machine. Tapes are cheaper than CD-R although a bit bulkier. Any thoughts? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6693 Re: Tape trading jkerp@n... Tue 8/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 17, 1997 2:07 am Subject: Availability and a plea ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ian Shillingford >So, I ask you: outside of the >UK, how readily available are DREAM ROOTS, OASIS, and/or TOURNADO? > > -- Steven Feldman and > Report from your man on the spot in Australia: Just recently bought Oasis here, but had to go to a specialty shop to get it. We have an HMV store here now (British music store), and while they have a good range of TD disks, no new or rare ones. Gaslight in Melbourne are currently the best source as they are fairly knowledgable and will import what isn't available here. At a price. They're also the only ones to have Goblins Club. Actually, I might like advice as to what my next purchase should be. They have almost all the 'legal' albums and box sets, no raries or boots. I've got all studio and live from Green Desert to Tyrrany of Beauty (no raries or boots) and a few soundtracks: Miracle Mile, Risky Business, The Keep (Ha Ha, I wish!), Sorceror, Near Dark, Heartbreakers and The Park is Mine. Anything I'm really missing out on? Thanx in advance. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 17, 1997 7:04 am Subject: Re: Age Poll & X-ers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sturminatr@a... Hey, am I officially the last person to respond to this? Age: 29 Fav. Albums (Today): Exit, Force Majeure, Phaedra Location: Hoboken, NJ First exposure: Force Majeure/Tangram in 1986. Still reading last week's digests, B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 17, 1997 7:04 am Subject: Re: Eno ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sturminatr@a... Vic said: >I totally agree that 'Apollo' is his best! Now back to TD.. Unfortunately, anyone who doesn't think his work with Harold Budd ('Plateux of Mirror' and 'The Pearl') are his best works ever, obviously needs to be beaten with a stick. I would say that that is just my opinion, but it's actually the truth. Sorry. A week late and way off topic, B. Kirby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6671 Re: Eno Vic Rek Sun 8/17/1997 3 KB 29785 Re: Eno Adele Outland Thu 10/25/2001 2 KB 29813 Re: Eno Joe Shoults Thu 10/25/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 17, 1997 11:09 am Subject: 'Echoes- Red Shift' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ashok prema You wrote: <> Yes, well - they have ordered only 45 cd's to date (inc that which we can't fulfil) what is frustrating however is that they chose to ignore totally Shreeves 'Collide', T-Bass's 'The Infection of Time' and my own 'Of Times & Places' - all of which represent a wide gamut of electronic styles - seems like they've got their own 'retro fave sound' and ignore the rest - nah.......can't say I'd go out of my way for that crowd - for me, its the likes of Eurock and Progtron who represent our music in the States. Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 17, 1997 11:30 am Subject: Schulze Jubilee Edition ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Armin Theissen Hi, this is not about TD but Schulze (without 't'). A few weeks ago I got the long awaited 'Jubilee Edition'. I'm overwhelmed. Now I'm so curious to know what the Historic and Silver Edition is like. Of course, there is no way to get one of these any more (unless somebody of you hates it and wants to sell it???). Now my simple question: Is there anybody out there with a Silver and/or Historic Edition but no Jubilee Edition who wants to trade tape copies??????? Armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6667 Re: Schulze Jubilee Edition TWeibre361@a... Sun 8/17/1997 3 KB 6669 Re: Schulze Jubilee Edition Philip Meyer Sun 8/17/1997 3 KB 6869 Re: Schulze Jubilee Edition vroom Sat 8/30/1997 3 KB 6673 Re: Schulze Jubilee Edition v h Mon 8/18/1997 4 KB 6705 Schulze Jubilee Edition Klaus Beschorner Tue 8/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 17, 1997 12:57 pm Subject: record sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> HI Dreamers I've decided to sell all my non-TD & non-EM vinyl (sorry!)... After culling personal favorites, I have about 150 discs to sell; most of it is 70s & 80s rock, a little jazz and some classical. most are excellent or better (cover and vinyl). there are a few stamped promo copies. I'm putting together a basic info list that I can send via e-mail upon request. I want to sell this stuff cheap, so here's the deal: $1 per record (minimum 5), 15 records for $10, and deeper discounts for larger purchases ($50 takes it all!); plus, of course, you pay the postage of your choice. I'll take payment in US Dollars, Pounds Stirling, & Deutsch Marks; I'll even consider trades for TD stuff & tapes (recorded or blank!). This is not an auction, first come, first served. please e-mail me privately for the list. TD content: request my TD CD/vinyl & tape swaps lists or request my want list if you have something to sell/trade me! thanks for the bandwidth lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 17, 1997 1:05 pm Subject: Re: Schulze Jubilee Edition ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-08-17 07:40:58 EDT, you write: << Now I'm so curious to know what the Historic and Silver Edition is like. Of course, there is no way to get one of these any more (unless somebody of you hates it and wants to sell it???). the silver is definately sold out...but ive seen copies of historic floating around...bth was advertising it, and if memory manniken still had a few copies.... Now my simple question: Is there anybody out there with a Silver and/or Historic Edition but no Jubilee Edition who wants to trade tape copies??????? >> i guess europe got their jubilee copies first...mine better be en route... anxiously expecting, tom w np: r u sequenced? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 17, 1997 8:06 pm Subject: Repetitive Message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Philip Meyer Do we really need to read the unsubscription message in every email sent to this list? Can't the server just write one email out each day or something? I'd rather skip the occasional messages containing 'unsubscribe', rather than have to skip the first 6 lines of each message! --Phil Meyer-------------------------- phil@h... amarok@c... http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk --------God loves his children, yeah-- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6672 Re: Repetitive Message GrafZeigen@a... Sun 8/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 17, 1997 8:02 pm Subject: Re: Schulze Jubilee Edition ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Philip Meyer Hi tadream@c... (tadream mailing list), >Is there anybody out there with a Silver and/or Historic Edition but >no Jubilee Edition who wants to trade tape copies??????? > I have the Silver Edition and Jubilee Edition. I'd love to get the Historic CD's or copies as well! Phil --Phil Meyer-------------------------- phil@h... amarok@c... http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk --------God loves his children, yeah-- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6869 Re: Schulze Jubilee Edition vroom Sat 8/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 17, 1997 4:31 pm Subject: D:Solo - Week 10, Aug. 18, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This week of August 18, 1997 we would like to hear comments on: Christopher Franke - Babylon 5 ------------------------------ Please make subject title 'D:Babylon 5'. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 17, 1997 4:28 pm Subject: Re: Eno ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Vic said: >>I totally agree that 'Apollo' is his best! Now back to TD.. >Unfortunately, anyone who doesn't think his work with Harold Budd ('Plateux >of Mirror' and 'The Pearl') are his best works ever, obviously needs to be >beaten with a stick. Hey! I think you now need to send me those 2 CDs for your comment. > >I would say that that is just my opinion, but it's actually the truth. > Sorry. Pretty funny Brian, I hope you're just trying to show your good sense of humor? > >A week late and way off topic, >B. Kirby > You can say that again! Don't go on any more trips unless it's to the moon, heh heh. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 17, 1997 4:43 pm Subject: Re: Repetitive Message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-08-17 09:13:55 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Philip Meyer Do we really need to read the unsubscription message in every email sent to this list? Can't the server just write one email out each day or something? >> When this first started appearing, I thought Majordomo was trying to give me a not-so-subtle hint to 'get lost'!! :-D Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 17, 1997 7:38 pm Subject: Re: Schulze Jubilee Edition ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: v h At 12:30 17-08-97 +0100, you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: Armin Theissen > > >Hi, > >this is not about TD but Schulze (without 't'). > >A few weeks ago I got the long awaited 'Jubilee Edition'. I'm >overwhelmed. Now I'm so curious to know what the Historic and >Silver Edition is like. Of course, there is no way to get one >of these any more (unless somebody of you hates it and wants to >sell it???). > >Now my simple question: > >Is there anybody out there with a Silver and/or Historic Edition but >no Jubilee Edition who wants to trade tape copies??????? > > >Armin > > > > >Armin Theissen >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... >College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen >Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 >Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 > >Hi I have the Historic edition, if you are interested we can trade. Karel Van Hove tel 00 32 3 605 58 15 po box 82 2950 Kapellen Belgium From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 17, 1997 8:19 pm Subject: Footwear for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello, I have an unwanted copy of a bootlet 'Dreaming on Danforth Avenue' by Tangerine Dream. It's a recording of the 1992 Toronto Music Hall gig on 4th October 1992. Offers please... Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 3:52 am Subject: Re: Mojave Plan MIDI File Now Available ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Philip Meyer Hi tadream@c... (tadream mailing list), >Feel free to distribute this file. Phil Meyer, please add it to your TD >MIDI file archive. > Consider it done :) Thanks for the notification, and well done with the music - it sounds very good to me! Phil --Phil Meyer-------------------------- phil@h... amarok@c... http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk --------God loves his children, yeah-- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: My Turn to Say 'I'll Believe It When I See It' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: The KEEP in 'CD Format' >Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:09:11 +0000 (GMT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > >I hope that the work that Edgar has done / is doing on the Keep >soundtrack to get it into CD Format doesn't equate to 'tangentizing' it! Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhh! I hope to God you're right. When I was a Bowie collector, the single most horrifying moment I ever had to endure (beside the TONIGHT and NEVER LET ME DOWN albums, hee hee) was when Bowie remixed the ZIGGY STARDUST soundtrack album so that the god damned narcissist's voice was mixed so far up front it might as well have been a Robert Goulet album! :( :( :( I have bootlegs of the original show that--muddy sound quality and all--beat the snot out of the piece of shit Bowie gave to RCA. Ptooey. I shit on that album! Ahem. Sorry about that. Back to THE KEEP. First of all, I'll believe it when I see it. Virgin has announced plans for THE KEEP so many times now, it's almost as big a joke as the fourth STAR WARS movie or the SPIDER-MAN movie. As for Ed ****ing with the recording so that it's TYGER-ized or ZONING-ized, it wouldn't surprise me. Actually, it would be rather amusing insofar as it would be payback for those who defended all the changes on TANGENTS and DREAM ROOTS so blindly and unquestioningly. >Subject: Re: Released: The KEEP..Dream Mixes II.. Movie Scores.. >Date: Fri, 15 Aug 97 18:56:59 -0500 (CDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > >Steve...Steve...STEVE!! Hey, will somebody help me get Steve up off the >floor! ; ) True enough. I just shit the rock of Gibraltar, but once I thought about it: o I'll believe it when I see it o It probably won't have the same sleeve art as the original release so I won't be vindicated as to what I've so often claimed to have seen o Some sort of ****ing TYGER-/ZONING-/TANGENT-izing might creep in o Since I'll be losing net access soon, I'll probably miss the boat on that limited edition of 150 KEEP CDs o It's gotten to the point where I want the actual original album in hand to prove I was right moreso than getting to hear the music Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6688 Re: My Turn to Say 'I'll Believe It When I See It Sean Montgomery Mon 8/18/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 3:58 am Subject: Re: Happy old codger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-08-15 15:41:19 EDT, you write: << I also think > that they felt that they had pushed that style as far as it > could go; I mean, even you have said that TD did it better than anyone > else, Grant; it may have been that while they knew they could do *as > good* again, they felt it couldn't be made *better*. And they are simply > the kind of musicians who would rather move on than keep on in a style > where *they* felt the envelope could no longer be pushed. >> This an argument of probable mistaken philosophy. 'The Envelope Could No Longer Be Pushed' is a point of departure from the argument. Many, many years ago there was a point of discussion from a number of respectable composers who put forth the idea that the chromatic scale was dead. All of the chords and melodies and rhythms and counterpoints and etc. and etc. and etc. were used up, and that we have to look at semi-tone scales if music was to survive as a art form. This all seemed a bit riduculous to me at the time, and now. But the artist may have a point as an individual personna. A person cannot invent the wheel over and over again. Once it has been invented, that is pretty much it. You have to move on. Many people are renowned for a single invention. Very few are well known for a series of great ideas. Edgar is probably to be commended for not trying to re-invent the wheel in every music release, not that he could get away with it. The man is well over fifty years old now, and very few, if any, composers are capable of prize winning compositions at this age. Surprisingly, he can still put a few notes together these days, but I personally don't expect to see the like of past efforts, now, or at any time in the future. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 3:56 am Subject: D: ()()() Babylon 5 ()()() ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... Babylon 5 August 17, 1997 Chris Franke 'Babylon 5' Published 1995 Purchased 1996 Sonic Images SI-8502-2 Can you say 'Dark'? This sounds like the 'Wagner' of space operas; dark, brooding, mysterious, secret, ponderous, menacing, expansive, multi-leveled, deep, remote, and any other like adjectives. I have never seen this television program. I cannot justify this much dedicated time to an extended series. The last time I did that was years ago when I 'had' to be home by ten o'clock at night on Sunday evening to watch Masterpiece Theater's rendition of 'I, Claudius', which seemed to go on forever, much like this sentence I'm writing, here. I've seen a couple of episodes of 'The Love Boat Beyond The Rings of Saturn' otherwise know as 'Star Trek - The Next Generation' which makes me want to puke, due to its lack of imagination. 'Mr. La Forge, try a reverse polarity on the shields. That may save all our lives. It worked the last twenty-five times.' But I digress. I was here to talk about music. And so I shall. This could be called 'Symphony For One Note And Interesting Electronic Effects' not to put too sharp a point on it. You put this on the CD player and you get a wallpaper effect of gothic dimensions for about an hour. 'DA-dada-DA-dadada-DA-dada-DA-dadada-DA-dada-DA-dadada' until I'm ready to scream. I've read that Franke was given a pretty much 'free hand' in the development and composition of the music for this series, but it seems to me that it hangs far to long in the realm of the common denominator. I know Franke from years of his work and this seems to me to be too much of a single idea with some (but not nearly enough) side trips into pastoral avenues. The ultimate test of a piece of music is how it can stand on its own away from the medium from which taken. This recording does not stand well on its own, as I can attest from never having heard it in its drama enhancing relationship. Numerous other music, by other composers does stand well in this regard; 'Sorcerer' is a good example. What about 'Thief'? 'Babylon 5' music is good if I'm in a really nasty mood and want to shake the house up a bit while everyone else is out doing other things. In general I find that the tenor of things here is not a good match for many other moods. Sorry to be SO negative, here. Maybe its because I spent so much time driving under water on the Chicago expressways yesterday. My vehicle is just covered in $#!t, and so am I. Driving and wading through three feet of sewage will do that. W-phew! Finally the CD is through playing, and I can begin to reassemble my life in a more positive frame. Maybe I'll put on some Andrew LLoyd Webber. NOT! Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6683 Re: D: ()()() Babylon 5 ()()() Mark Filipak Mon 8/18/1997 3 KB 6692 Re: D: ()()() Babylon 5 ()()() PNaunton@a... Mon 8/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 3:57 am Subject: Re: Keep ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-08-15 15:55:21 EDT, you write: << And what, pray tell, Tom, DOES impress you? Mike >> Maybe it's like Ringo Star used to sing on 'With A Little Help From My Friends', 'I can't tell you, but I know it's mine.' Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 4:28 am Subject: I Think I've Seen This Mentioned Before - - But Just In Case I'm Wrong..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... I saw this on the news service as I was browsing around, and just in case someone didn't see the earlier posting that I think I remember - - Phil Naunton \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ Film' Produced Entirely on Macintosh CUPERTINO, Calif., July 23 /PRNewswire/ -- Apple Power Macintosh computers may sit on desktops, but they chart the surfaces of unseen fantasy planets in PLANETARY TRAVELER, a remarkable new original motion picture produced entirely on the computers that started the desktop revolution 20 years ago. Produced and directed by Emmy Award-Winning producer/director Jan C. Nickman, the film represents the work of seven of the world's most talented digital artists who have weaved a world -- or worlds -- of vivid imagination, untold realism, and stunning visual intensity. PLANETARY TRAVELER represents the 'visual flight logs' of a long-lost race of highly intelligent beings, the Phleig. Drawn to a planetary system renowned for the advanced state of consciousness of those races that inhabit it, the Phleig mother ship dispatches scouts and probes to visit eight planets, each unique in its topography, physical features, and exquisite beauty. The ships sweep over the alien worlds to the original electronic score of Grammy-nominated Paul Haslinger, renowned film composer and former member of Tangerine Dream. The world premiere of PLANETARY TRAVELER took place at the Video Software Dealers Association (VSDA) gathering in Las Vegas this July. A home video distribution deal has been confirmed with WinStar Home Entertainment (a division of Fox Lorber); the Company holds global broadcast, video, and DVD rights to the title. Slated for a September 26 release, the suggested retail for the 40-minute film is around US$20.00; Fox Lorber will release the title simultaneously on DVD. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 4:20 am Subject: Re: The KEEP in 'CD Format' ... 6 weeks? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak Subject was: My Turn to Say 'I'll Believe It When I See It' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Subject was originally: The KEEP in 'CD Format' > > As for Ed ****ing with the recording so that it's TYGER-ized or > ZONING-ized, it wouldn't surprise me. Actually, it would be rather > amusing insofar as it would be payback for those who defended all the > changes on TANGENTS and DREAM ROOTS so blindly and unquestioningly. I agree with the sentiments of everyone who's contributed to this thread: Release 'The Keep' as is and don't f**k with it, but I don't see the analogy with 'Tangents' or 'DRC' at all. Except for the PUR material on discs 5 of these boxes, the original music survives on previous albums. And it doesn't sound like Ed changed the PUR stuff at all. Now that I have 'Tangents' and have finally heard it (thanks Brian!), I wish Ed had tangentized _more_. I wish he'd completely altered the compositions and had strung them all together with spacey bridges. I wish he'd overdubbed them so much you would hardly recognize them. But... (6 weeks?) That said, I find it distressing that Ed spent 6 weeks mastering 'The Keep.' What was wrong with the audio movie kit as delivered to Michael Mann? That should have been ready to go without much work at all! I fear that Ed really _did_ spend 6 weeks of work on it ... EF: '(Dum, de, dum) A little snip here. (Dum, de, dum) A little harpsichord there. (Dum, de, dum) A lot of cheesy percussion over there. Hey Jerome! You know that little ditty you wrote back in 89? I think it'd be dandy here. We'll make it the main theme!' JF: 'Sure pop! Don't forget to turn up the drum track!' Please God (aka: TD), say it ain't so! -- Mark (not sure how long my heart can take it.) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 6:58 am Subject: Redshift -- Get 'em while they're hot! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Losers! < Exiting Don Rickles Mode > Visited Progtron today. Ranjit has 11 copies of 'Redshift' left -- probably the last on the planet outside of private collections. Steve McCready: I got your's. $16 to my address (see my email header) will buy it. I'll put it in the mail tomorrow -- in Steve I trust. I can't make it any easier than this, now can I folks? http://www.webpage.com/progtron/ (or directly) mailto:ranjit@n... Go get 'em. And may the best (ie, fastest) man or woman win. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 6:36 am Subject: Re: D: ()()() Babylon 5 ()()() ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > ... W-phew! Indeed! And what a relief, Phil. For a minute I thought you were going to say that you liked it. ;-) -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 10:46 am Subject: Re: Red Shift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: ashok prema > > A US company called 'Echoes' contacted me weeks ago for a second batch of > 'Red Shift' cd's - I had to tell them that they were all gone - and a > re-press may not be on the cards!!!! Can I ask why on Earth a record company wouldn't want to supply as many discs as it could possibly shift ? As well as short-changing themselves, the artist in question would lose revenue and exposure and fans might revert to taping or CD-R copying. I've been trying to get a legitimate release of Schulze's Mirage for years. I refuse to pay the rates demanded by 'rarity' retailers, and I can't understand why Schulze (or maybe it's KDM) won't re-issue such a masterpiece. > Having said that, the 2nd Red Shift album is almost complete and should be > available by October/November. > Wonder if its as good as the first one! Put me down for one of the first copies ! Grunt Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6687 Re: Red Shift feldon@p... Mon 8/18/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 11:11 am Subject: Redshift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) This is more for people in the UK, but HMV do carry the Redshift album (I bought mine there on Saturday - which is nice). It's filed under (suprisingly) Mark Shreeve. (They also stock some of his other albums such as Legion and Nocture, though not in great numbers). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6961 Redshift Lawry Simm Mon 9/8/1997 2 KB 6971 Re: Redshift Paul Nagle Tue 9/9/1997 3 KB 6982 Redshift Lawry Simm Tue 9/9/1997 2 KB 6991 Redshift Tom Coppens Sun 9/7/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 2:23 pm Subject: AGE POLL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: LADY OF THE LIZARDS No, I'm the last to respond to this age 26 faves tangram, hyperborea, pergamon from denton tx first the soldier, risky business mid 80's bile rr From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 2:38 pm Subject: Re: Red Shift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 10:46 AM 8/18/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: Grant Middleton > >> Really-From: ashok prema >> >> A US company called 'Echoes' contacted me weeks ago for a second batch of >> 'Red Shift' cd's - I had to tell them that they were all gone - and a >> re-press may not be on the cards!!!! > >Can I ask why on Earth a record company wouldn't want >to supply as many discs as it could possibly shift ? >As well as short-changing themselves, the artist in >question would lose revenue and exposure and fans might >revert to taping or CD-R copying. Well, even if the production company kept the glass master, they would have to make like 1,000 copies minimum. >I've been trying to get a legitimate release of Schulze's >Mirage for years. I refuse to pay the rates demanded by >'rarity' retailers, and I can't understand why Schulze (or >maybe it's KDM) won't re-issue such a masterpiece. It's the minimum quantity. 100-200 copies are $15 and $12 each respectively. Starting at 500, the price drops to $3 each. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 2:41 pm Subject: Re: My Turn to Say 'I'll Believe It When I See It' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Virgin has announced plans for THE KEEP so many times now, it's almost > as big a joke as the fourth STAR WARS movie Well I can tell you that the fourth Star Wars movie is definitely happening, so take heart. > As for Ed ****ing with the recording so that it's TYGER-ized or > ZONING-ized, it wouldn't surprise me. Actually, it would be rather > amusing insofar as it would be payback for those who defended all the > changes on TANGENTS and DREAM ROOTS so blindly and unquestioningly. This is a different matter, in that in the case of Tangents and DRC, at least Edgar could argue that the originals were still available. Indeed, why shell out money for five disks that replicate material you already have (come on, who but the most die-hard among us bought 'The Brick'?). But The Keep has yet to get proper release in its original form. I will assume that those six weeks were spent on noise reduction, and perhaps expanding on pieces not used in the movie. Otherwise, this could come out like another 'Three O'Clock High', with a bunch of 20 or 30 second cues. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 3:28 pm Subject: RE: MPEG3 alternative to tape trading... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>2. The quality of b**ts is always questionable, but this is especially >>true of tapes which degrade each generation. >Boots do suffer from sound quality problems. This will have to be accepted. >A tape made from a DAT master or CD master will be fine, but a copy of a >copy of a copy... well, you know what I mean. There's always DAT! >>I would assume that if someone has the technical knowledge to >>create a CD-R recording, encoding an MPEG3 would be relatively easy. OK, >>I realize a 20 minute MP3 track is going take up some space, but I'd >>rather wait a couple hours on a 15meg download than wait a week on the >>postal service. Any thoughts on this? In four years of trading, I've amassed over 300 tapes and only twice have had postal problems. On the other hand, I've lost count of how many small files I've downloaded that have gotten corrupted. Whe you count your time, resources and everything else, tapes are still cheaper. And what would you do with these MPEG3 files once you got them? Leave 'em on your computer? How would you listen to them anywhere but at your computer? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 3:39 pm Subject: RE: Are we getting that old? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >ships in the 80's. Perhaps this could be done again in the 90's for E-Music >if someone were willing to get it together and take the risk:-) However, I Good idea, Graf! Here's a site that can help: http://www.wcsb.org/ant/wcsbpt1.html Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 3:42 pm Subject: Re: Red Shift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Aug 18, 9:38am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Red Shift > Really-From: feldon@p... > > (...) > > It's the minimum quantity. 100-200 copies are $15 and $12 each > respectively. Starting at 500, the price drops to $3 each. Are you sure of your numbers, Morgan? 200 at $12 each totals $2400, while 500 at $3 totals only $1500. In this instance, someone would have to pay EXTRA to get less ??? I could understand 1000 at $3 each, but not 500. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6694 Re: Red Shift feldon@p... Tue 8/19/1997 3 KB 6708 No TD content: Re: CD Production costs Grant Middleton Tue 8/19/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 3:45 pm Subject: Re: D: ()()() Babylon 5 ()()() ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-08-18 06:34:46 EDT, you write: << Indeed! And what a relief, Phil. For a minute I thought you were going to say that you liked it. ;-) -- Mark >> Errrr-Ummm, is that sarcasm, Mark? Was my diatribe a bit fickle, perhaps, or am I reading too much between the lines? Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 5:27 pm Subject: Re: Tape trading ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jkerp@n... >Really-From: Ian Shillingford > Hi. >Regarding the recent discussion of how to 'mail' music, >may I suggest an alternate to audiocassette and CD-R? > >How many people on this list have used a stereo HiFi VCR to copy a CD Me for example. >(purely for experimental purposes of course!)? >I have. HiFi stereo VCRs use digital encoding for the stereo soundtracks as >well as the usual mono analogue track, so it sounds exactly like the >original. If you´re talking about VHS-VCRs I must disappoint You: they use analog FM encoding... >I _SUSPECT_ that a PAL hifi tape will still produce hifi sound on an NTSC >machine. That will not work either because NTSC-machines use a different rotational speed for the head-drum (3600 RPM [NTSC] and 3000 RPM [PAL]). Even the transporting speed of the tape is different (faster on NTSC because of the 30 FPS). I have a VCR which can play PAL & NTSC. But I haven´t heard of NTSC-VCRs that can handle PAL as well... BTW: are there any VCRs in the USA with PAL-playback? >Tapes are cheaper than CD-R although a bit bulkier. CD-Rs are much cheaper! (e.g. 3.99 Deutschmarks for Ricoh CDR74) >Any thoughts? YESS.. Jan (sorry, no message footer) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 9:08 pm Subject: Re: Red Shift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:42 AM 8/18/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' >> It's the minimum quantity. 100-200 copies are $15 and $12 each >> respectively. Starting at 500, the price drops to $3 each. > >Are you sure of your numbers, Morgan? 200 at $12 each totals $2400, while >500 at $3 totals only $1500. In this instance, someone would have to pay >EXTRA to get less ??? I need to check with my price guy, but the cost for 1000 CDs is only about $200 more than 200 CDs. I forgot to include the price of the glass master in that price above, sorry. >I could understand 1000 at $3 each, but not 500. Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6708 No TD content: Re: CD Production costs Grant Middleton Tue 8/19/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 8:27 pm Subject: Age poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'K.E' Hello I´ll make an entry; Kent Eskildsen Age; 35 First TD exposure; Stratosfear Favourites: Tangram, Stratosfear and Ricochet Location: Denmark First Live; Shepherds Bush UK 1996 NP; Dream Mixes II Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 11637 Age poll Hilmar Kraft Thu 3/5/1998 4 KB 11641 Re: Age poll John Majka Thu 3/5/1998 2 KB 11677 Re: Age poll Tom Gerardy Thu 3/5/1998 4 KB 11703 Re: Age poll matt knudson Fri 3/6/1998 3 KB 11860 Re: Age poll Dennis Nigbur Tue 3/10/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 18, 1997 6:29 pm Subject: no TD Jarre MIDI files ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Hi all! I recently found 8 Jarre Midi files on Compuserve. If anybody wants these, contact me off list. Mike mfox@i... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6707 Re: No TD: Jarre MIDI files Grant Middleton Tue 8/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: DREAM MIXES II or DREAM MIXES 2nd CD? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Age poll >Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:27:12 +0200 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: 'K.E' > >NP; Dream Mixes II Er, you mean THE [UK] DREAM MIXES 2nd CD, right? (I thought the second DREAM MIXES collection, i.e. DREAM MIXES II, wasn't due out for a little while yet.) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6720 Re: DREAM MIXES II or DREAM MIXES 2nd CD? K.E Wed 8/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Did I Pay Too Much for RED SHIFT? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hell, hell, hell; crap, crap, crap. I just ordered a copy of RED SHIFT over the phone from Windspell Music for $18.95 + $4.00 postage, and then I get on the web and see it for $16.95 + $1.95 on the Progtron page. Grrrrr. It was the guy at Windspell saying that they only had 2 copies left and that they'd most likely go in the next 24 hours that made me do it. That and because everybody on this here list was going on about how it's becoming the hardest thing to get this side of a KLEM CD. Feh. Well, at least I'll have the sucker to *listen* to! ;) One thing, though: Ranjit's page (i.e. Progtron) lists RED SHIFT as being a UK CD, and yet the guy at Windspell said that it was on Centaur Records, which I thought was in Dundee, Scotland. Can anyone clear this up? -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6706 Re: Did I Pay Too Much for RED SHIFT? Grant Middleton Tue 8/19/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 19, 1997 2:00 am Subject: Re: Mirage (was Redshift) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-08-18 05:53:37 EDT, Grant writes: << I've been trying to get a legitimate release of Schulze's Mirage for years. I refuse to pay the rates demanded by 'rarity' retailers, and I can't understand why Schulze (or maybe it's KDM) won't re-issue such a masterpiece. >> Uh, it has been reissued. I see it all the time at Tower Records, and I ordered my copy from CDNow. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: The Boot w/ the Original Music & the Official Release Without ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman * [A warning to those with gentle sensibilities: there's mucho vitriol * * splashed about here in this posting, so if you're not up to indulging * * a good wallow in 'shoulda been' and 'coulda been' griping, read no * * further. -- Steve] * >Subject: Re: The KEEP in 'CD Format' ... 6 weeks? >Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:20:41 -0700 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >Subject was: My Turn to Say 'I'll Believe It When I See It' > >I agree with the sentiments of everyone who's contributed to this >thread: Release 'The Keep' as is and don't f**k with it, but I don't >see the analogy with 'Tangents' or 'DRC' at all. [. . .] Okay, so it was a cheap shot; I confess. >[. . .] Except for the PUR material on discs 5 of these boxes [. . .] Huh? What the hell is 'PUR'? (My guess is Previously-Unreleased Recordings.) Puh-leez people! Cease and desist with this dad-blasted acronym nonsense. For those of us who don't read each and every single word posted to this list, such rampant acronyming is a real pain in the butt. >[. . .] Now that I have 'Tangents' and have finally heard it (thanks >Brian!), I wish Ed had tangentized _more_. I wish he'd completely >altered the compositions and had strung them all together with spacey >bridges. I wish he'd overdubbed them so much you would hardly recognize >them. I agree. This is why I find the first disc so wonderful--because it comes close to doing what you describe. >That said, I find it distressing that Ed spent 6 weeks mastering 'The >Keep.' What was wrong with the audio movie kit as delivered to Michael >Mann? That should have been ready to go without much work at all! Yup. I guess that, collectively, we're all going to have to take it in the arse like men. :( :( :( Remember what I said about how the bootleg of the material that wound up on the ZIGGY STARDUST soundtrack is better than the official release? (Although this soundtrack had been eagerly-awaited for a decade, it sold miserably . . . because it sucks in the form that it was released because the ****ing egocentric artiste couldn't restrain his vanity and ****ed it up for the rest of the world.) >I fear that Ed really _did_ spend 6 weeks of work on it ... > >EF: '(Dum, de, dum) A little snip here. (Dum, de, dum) A little >harpsichord there. (Dum, de, dum) A lot of cheesy percussion over >there. Hey Jerome! You know that little ditty you wrote back in 89? I >think it'd be dandy here. We'll make it the main theme!' > >JF: 'Sure pop! Don't forget to turn up the drum track!' Yes, folks, the line above says it all. Witness 'Zion,' the second track off OASIS--the most old-school-ish track on the album: it is only because of Jerome that this track has such up-front drumming. If this track had been recorded prior to 1988, percussion might not have even appeared at all. >Please God (aka: TD), say it ain't so! >-- Mark (not sure how long my heart can take it.) Now you know how *I* feel. I've been waiting 13 long years for this ****ing album, and now that there's going to be an official release of it, it turns out that the Blue Moon bootleg will probably be the better item to own insofar as at least the actual music from the movie is actually on it. So, sportfans, look it at it this way: the Blue Moon boot will, functionally, be the real recording, and the Virgin CD will be the TANGENTS analogue. Sad, isn't it? Now the people who think I'm a twit for liking THE PARK IS MINE and DEAD SOLID PERFECT so much might see why: Remix-Besotted Edgar didn't have any input whatsoever on those two releases. Hey, I like parts of GREEN DESERT, but I would have preferred to have wound up with something a little closer to what was actually done in 1973--not what is probably no less than an entirely- new performance (i.e. the album that appeared officially). [Maybe the bragging about TOURNADO being a *real* live recording instead of a studio retooling is a result of the guilt brought on by mutilating ZONING and THE KEEP. We'll see.] Maybe Virgin should re-title the album, MUSIC BASED ON THE ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK TO THE KEEP. Think I'm joking? We haven't heard it yet, now have we? So far, everyone who's seen the original version of the movie, ZONING, says that the music in there has virtually nothing to do with the music that is on the ZONING CD. Not a comforting analogy, is it? Well, I guess it's not over. My search for the original issue of THE KEEP soundtrack will continue. My guess is that even the original cover art won't survive Virgin's MUSIC BASED ON . . . version of THE KEEP. Remember: we know, now, that Virgin did indeed let a couple of hundred copies of THE KEEP soundtrack slip out in 1984, so--for thirteen years--there's been a perfectly workable, professionally mixed version of the music and perfectly presentable, professionally designed sleeve for this elusive item--and I see no reason why Ed should have done any more than added the tracks that didn't make it to the final theatrical cut of the film (such as that great portion of music that is in the syndicated TV cut of the film but not the theatrical, laserdisk, video, nor cable versions). I'm going to buy some Ben-Gay and Preparation H, now--never having had hemorrhoids and therefore not knowing precisely what to use to salve my aching anus when the reaming that is Virgin's MUSIC BASED ON THE ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK TO THE KEEP assaults my senses. (Hey, there might even be some good music on it. I like much of ZONING, for example. It's just that it won't be the album we've waited 13 years to hear!!!!!) [Feel free to forward copies of this to Virgin and Virgin UK. ;)] Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6704 Re: The Boot w/ the Original Music & the Official TangerineC@a... Tue 8/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 19, 1997 2:13 am Subject: D: Babylon 5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jonathan Sands' Ok, finally something I can sort of get my .02 in on :) While I don't actually have this (yet), I must say, I love the series & the music. I have the entertainment utility for my computer, complete with sound clips & a really nice section of the main theme that jumps speakers at the end for a very cool effect. For quite a while I had no idea that Chris Franke of TD was doing the music, but it finally made the connection somewhere in my brain & I was quite happy. I intend to get the soundtrack, now that I know it's available. Personally, I think the show is very good, although a little hard to get into if you pick it up mid-stream. I'm also a loyal sci-fi fan, so I'm probably a little biased - but also very critical of my science fiction & related media. (if you haven't seen Contact, check it out - great flick!) Ok, I'm starting to get warmed up - next album.... please be something I have :) pretty please.....?? ;) Kim 'Please explain to me the scientific nature of a Whammy.' - Dana Scully From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 19, 1997 2:22 am Subject: Re: Age Poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: centaur@c... (Anthony G. Francis, Jr.) Age: 28 First TD Exposure: Optical Race in 1987-8 or thereabouts. Favorite TD: Poland, Force Majeure, Tyrrany of Beauty, Turn of the Tides, Goblin's Club, Cyclone, Zeit, Tangram, Logos, 220 Volt Live, Tangents. Favorite Track: _Stratosfear 1995_ Location: Atlanta, Georgia; temporarily in Menlo Park, California. CD I would most like to own right now: _Contact_ original score. TD CD I would most like to own right now: _Oasis_ or _Tournado_ Bootleg I would most like to own right now: _Live! Improvised!_ (or whatever the Rheims Cathedral concert was) or _Coefficient of Aural Expansion_, I think. Other bands/composers: Rush, Yes, Genesis, Paul Haslinger, Kristof Phranque :-), James Newton Howard, James Horner, Klaus Schulze, John Williams, Vangelis. Most embarassing recent CD purchase: _Xena_ original soundtrack. (It is really good, though! Seriously!) -Anthony -- Anthony G. Francis, Jr. | cen.taur \'sen-.to.(*)r\ n AI/Cognitive Science Group | [ME, fr. L Centaurus, fr. Gk Kentauros] College of Computing | 1: one of a race fabled to be half man Georgia Institute of Technology | and half horse and to dwell in the Atlanta, Georgia 30332-0280 | mountains of Thessaly. Phone: (404) 894-2590 | 2: nickname for this AI grad student Net: centaur@c... - http://www.cc.gatech.edu/ai/students/centaur/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 19, 1997 3:52 am Subject: I'm being positive here! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Is it just me.. or does Horizon from 'Poland' seem to be one of the most beautiful works of music ever created? After listening to this track, I can't imagine what could have been accomplished if TD continued on this track rather then following in the steps of Le Parc. I am quite happy that TD, although experimenting with short tracks in the album 'Exit', did not grasp the entire concept of short tracks forever. If there was ever an album that was 'New Ageish' it would be 'Exit.' It is here that proves TD can make totally off-beat albums but retain the great things of past. Since Edgar is getting into the golden oldies of what many consider TD's best years, maybe there will be some inspiration there that will rub off on a new album. Maybe I'm sticking my neck out here, but I think there IS a new TD and a new style--I am not to say it's the improvisation of the past, or the sequenced masterpieces of the 70's and early 80's. This is just a guess.. a hunch.. But gosh darn 'Horizon' is a beautiful work of art.. Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 19, 1997 7:01 am Subject: Re: The Boot w/ the Original Music & the Official Release Without ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-08-18 22:31:33 EDT, you write: << I'm going to buy some Ben-Gay and Preparation H, now--never having had hemorrhoids and therefore not knowing precisely what to use to salve my aching anus when the reaming that is Virgin's MUSIC BASED ON THE ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK TO THE KEEP assaults my senses. >> Well said. I treasure this line. :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Schulze Jubilee Edition ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >A few weeks ago I got the long awaited 'Jubilee Edition'. I'm >overwhelmed. Now I'm so curious to know what the Historic and Silver >Edition is like. Of course, there is no way to get one of these any >more (unless somebody of you hates it and wants to sell it???). They are both equally fantastic, IMHO. And there is a way, at least for a original, signed and numbered Silver Edition. It's been on my swap list since it was released... -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 19, 1997 9:01 am Subject: Re: Did I Pay Too Much for RED SHIFT? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > Hell, hell, hell; crap, crap, crap. I just ordered a copy of RED > SHIFT over the phone from Windspell Music for $18.95 + $4.00 postage, > and then I get on the web and see it for $16.95 + $1.95 on the Progtron > page. Grrrrr. $4 of a difference ? Not too bad. I'd say that the CD is easily worth $23, regardless of how much it cost to produce or distribute. If you're making an e-music purchase this month, and you like the '70s sound, don't hesitate. > It was the guy at Windspell saying that they only had 2 > copies left and that they'd most likely go in the next 24 hours that > made me do it. That and because everybody on this here list was going > on about how it's becoming the hardest thing to get this side of a KLEM > CD. Feh. Well, at least I'll have the sucker to *listen* to! ;) Trust me, you won't be disappointed. I'm expecting your voice to be added to the cries of 'Buy it, buy it !'. > One thing, though: Ranjit's page (i.e. Progtron) lists RED SHIFT > as being a UK CD, and yet the guy at Windspell said that it was on > Centaur Records, which I thought was in Dundee, Scotland. Can anyone > clear this up? Yes, here's the scoop... Dundee is in Scotland which is...wait for it...part of the UK ! (And I thought I was bad on American geography) So far as I know, though, it's released on Champagne Lake Records, AKA Mr. Ash Prema. Certainly, my copy is on CL. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 19, 1997 9:11 am Subject: Re: No TD: Jarre MIDI files ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > > Really-From: Michael Fox > > Hi all! > > I recently found 8 Jarre Midi files on Compuserve. If anybody wants these, > contact me off list. Interestingly (in a boring kinda way), I was just about to post this URL :- http://www.upv.es/~jlbalmas/jarre.html Check out the MIDI of Equinoxe 4. Someone had WAAAAAAYYY too much time on their hands to get sounds like these out of a GM soundset. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 19, 1997 9:34 am Subject: No TD content: Re: CD Production costs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: feldon@p... > > > At 11:42 AM 8/18/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > >> It's the minimum quantity. 100-200 copies are $15 and $12 each > >> respectively. Starting at 500, the price drops to $3 each. > > > >Are you sure of your numbers, Morgan? 200 at $12 each totals $2400, while > >500 at $3 totals only $1500. In this instance, someone would have to pay > >EXTRA to get less ??? > > I need to check with my price guy, but the cost for 1000 CDs is only about > $200 more than 200 CDs. I forgot to include the price of the glass master > in that price above, sorry. > > >I could understand 1000 at $3 each, but not 500. The reason for this apparent discrepancy is that for small runs (<200), it's cheaper to make CD-R copies. Hence, you'll pay between $15 and $30 / disc. For more than 200 CDs, it becomes cheaper to make a glass master and press silver discs. The minimum run is usually 500 CD's, but what you do is just ditch the 300 spare ones. Of course, if you keep the glass master disc, future runs will work out cheaper (about $3 would be usual). Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 19, 1997 10:12 am Subject: VHS HiFi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >How many people on this list have used a stereo HiFi VCR to copy a CD >I have. HiFi stereo VCRs use digital encoding for the stereo soundtracks as >well as the usual mono analogue track, so it sounds exactly like the >original. It was already stated that VHS HiFI is FM-encoded analog, NOT digital. However, the main issue is: The sound quality of a VHS HiFi VCR is actually not very good at all. Two major problems degrade the sound significantly. First, the sound is recorded via 2 audio heads that rotate on a drum. Every 180 degrees of rotation, the VCR needs to switch between head 1 and head 2. This inevitably leads to a soft, whirring sound that degrades the audio signal. It may not be detectable on every recording, but just try to record a piano solo or a single voice and you'll detect it immediately. Second, almost all of the current models of HiFi VCRs don't have a manual record level control, but adjust the recording level automatically (auto gain control). This leads to the very annoying effect that on a silent passage the VCR constantly increases the level so that it gets louder and louder (the tape hiss on the original recording rises with it) and at the first loud note, the VCR quickly lowers the recording level. Blergh. A good audio cassette deck will definitely produce better recordings than a HiFi VCR, so you should choose cassette over VHS any time. Of course if audio cassettes are copied on a boombox in high-speed dubbing mode, then those will sound even worse then VHS HiFi... :-) Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 19, 1997 11:34 am Subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) I was talking to a friend of mine last night. He's a fan of the film 'The Keep' (rather than being a TD fan) and he was saying that he remembered seeing a program years ago on 'Open University' about the making of the film, and he said he remembered there being a major section about the making of the music for the film, plus interviews etc. Does anybody out there know about this program, or is my friend talking bollocks? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6824 Lawry Simm Thu 8/28/1997 3 KB 6880 ashok prema Mon 9/1/1997 2 KB 7429 aliEn Sat 10/4/1997 2 KB 7918 Andy456 Mon 10/20/1997 2 KB 9175 p77ws1 Sun 11/30/1997 6 KB 9181 Re: matt knudson Sun 11/30/1997 3 KB 9184 Re: Michael Richard Sun 11/30/1997 3 KB 9429 ccjj77 Sat 12/13/1997 7 KB 9639 Hermes Guzman Wed 12/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 19, 1997 12:16 pm Subject: Re: Plateux of Mirror and the Pearl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sturminatr@a... >>I would say that that is just my opinion, but it's actually the truth. >> Sorry. >Pretty funny Brian, I hope you're just trying to show your good sense of humor? Oops. There was supposed to be a ' ;-) ' in there. Mea culpa. -B. Kirby PS - TD content: Edgar wrote me to say that my opinion re:Eno are 100% accurate. PPS - Okay, that was just an outright lie. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 19, 1997 12:14 pm Subject: tucson TD fans please contact me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Could the tadreamer/s who live/s in Tucson please contact me off-list? thanks! lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Why is RED SHIFT Getting Rare if Ash is on the List? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Did I Pay Too Much for RED SHIFT? >Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:01:16 +0000 (GMT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Grant Middleton > >> Really-From: Steven Feldman >> >> One thing, though: Ranjit's page (i.e. Progtron) lists RED SHIFT >> as being a UK CD, and yet the guy at Windspell said that it was on >> Centaur Records, which I thought was in Dundee, Scotland. Can anyone >> clear this up? > >So far as I know [. . .] it's released on Champagne Lake Records, >AKA Mr. Ash Prema. Certainly, my copy is on CL. Hmmm... Seeing as this CD is supposedly becoming rare, I wonder which will be the rarer of the two: the Centaur or the Champagne Lake version? ;) Seriously, though, I suspect that the guy at Windspell made a mistake in saying that RED SHIFT is on Centaur if it's that hard to get. Regardless, why would this CD be rare when the label's owner is on this very list and is well aware that this CD is the long-lost TD Classic That Never Was? ;) Either there is a contractual agreement wherein Ashok cannot press more without special dispensation, or . . . rev up that machine, Ash, and let a few more thousand copies of RED SHIFT rip! :) I realize that I would no longer be getting a rarity from my order from Windspell, but then, so many other fans will be happy to own copies that it'll be worth it. :) And just think, all the clueless bullshit trendy techno dipwads who like 1969-1975 TD and pine about analogue all day long will be able to buy something *new* that fits the bill without causing their even-more-clueless *trendier* friends to say for the thousandth time, 'I won't listen to anything from before I was born' (an actual, real-life sentence an ex-roommate of mine from Germany who grew up on techno often said to me whenever I tried to get him to try out something by TD or Eno). -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6715 Re: Why is RED SHIFT Getting Rare if Ash is on th Vincent Goudreault Tue 8/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 19, 1997 2:06 pm Subject: Redshift/Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean >One thing, though: Ranjit's page (i.e. Progtron) lists RED SHIFT >as being a UK CD, and yet the guy at Windspell said that it was on >Centaur Records, which I thought was in Dundee, Scotland. Can anyone >clear this up? Steve, The last time I checked, Scotland WAS part of the UK; or am I just an ignorant American? Mike J From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 19, 1997 2:22 pm Subject: Re: Why is RED SHIFT Getting Rare if Ash is on the List? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Aug 19, 9:37am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Why is RED SHIFT Getting Rare if Ash is on the List? > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > (...) > happy to own copies that it'll be worth it. :) And just think, all > the clueless bullshit trendy techno dipwads who like 1969-1975 TD and I take offence to the terms used (and didn't notice a smiley right beside said terms). Apart from that, anyone knows of a place that has this so much talked about 'Red Shift' in stock, that is accessible through regular e-mail (I can't access web) and that accepts credit card payment? C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 19, 1997 2:32 pm Subject: London photos (fwd) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Hi all! I'm delighted that Hermes just sent a photo of myself backstage at the Sheperd's Bush, with Linda Spa, Hilmar, and Klaus B. However, I noticed that I appear to me looking a bit more towards someone else's camera. If that 'other' camera belongs to one of you, I would appreciate a copy of that print. Thanks for the bandwidth! Mike Jean, Chicago From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 19, 1997 2:46 pm Subject: Re: New lists available ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ingo_P=FCschmann?=' > Here's a list of what's available. Alltogether a 171 kByte ZIP file : Hallo Klaus! Ich bin seit einiger Zeit wieder in Malaysia und vielleicht wieder an CDs interessiert. Schicke mir doch bitte eine Kopie des ZIP-files. Was gibt es sonst von oder über TD, was nicht in der mailing list erscheint? Tschüß Ingo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6718 Re: New lists available ! TangerineC@a... Tue 8/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 19, 1997 3:57 pm Subject: Re: New lists available ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-08-19 10:49:41 EDT, you write: << Hallo Klaus! Ich bin seit einiger Zeit wieder in Malaysia und vielleicht wieder an CDs interessiert. >> My thoughts exactly! :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: England, UK, British Isles, etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Geographically Challenged Steve Folks, Sorry about thinking that Scotland and the UK were not mutually exclusive of one another. I guess my history and geography are rather poor/unenlightened/iffy/etc. Believe it or not, I was trying to be politically correct, because I don't know what the difference is between 'the British Isles' and 'the UK.' For example, I assume there's lots of Irish folks who bristle at *either* of them. And I thought that Scotsmen wouldn't like the term UK too much, either, for that matter. And then there's Wales, etc. For *that* matter, some people call the continent I live on 'the Americas,' but there are plenty of anti-American Canadians, Mexicans, El Salvadorians, Brazilians, etc. who I'm sure find the term less than completely to their liking. Without getting overly political, can someone explain to me why I'm confused re the differences between the following? o England o Britain o Great Britain o The British Isles o The United Kingdom o The UK For example, I thought the UK or United Kingdom included non- British Isles colonies . . . such as Hong Kong. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6727 Re: England, UK, British Isles, etc. Mark Filipak Wed 8/20/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 19, 1997 4:17 pm Subject: Re: DREAM MIXES II or DREAM MIXES 2nd CD? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'K.E' tadream mailing list wrote: > >NP; Dream Mixes II > > Er, you mean THE [UK] DREAM MIXES 2nd CD, right? (I thought the > second DREAM MIXES collection, i.e. DREAM MIXES II, wasn't due out for > a little while yet.) > > -- Steven Feldman and > Ah, sorry about that...I ment the second CD of the second version of the first Dream Mixes - TDI001...so you`re right... Kent From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 19, 1997 11:20 pm Subject: RED SHIFT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve Hinksman Steven Feldman wrote: > One thing, though: Ranjit's page (i.e. Progtron) lists RED SHIFT >as being a UK CD, and yet the guy at Windspell said that it was on >Centaur Records, which I thought was in Dundee, Scotland. Can anyone >clear this up? Um, isn't Scotland in the UK (United Kingdom, after all)? Independence for Scotland ('andWales' :^) isn't anywhere near official, is it? :^) Anyone know where I might find this in a CD store near Toronto, Canada? I like to to support the local CD joints as much as possible, to encourage them to carry more of the obscure stuff (most record stores have a TD section, for example, but mostly it's just one or two albums - Canyon Dreams and Goblins Club/Tyranny Of Beauty, typically, and zero chance of Shreeve, T-Bass, or Paul Nagle, oddly enough). I guess what I'm looking for is that perfect store where all the obscure stuff is available at domestic prices. Oh well, I can dream, can't I? All the best, Steve Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6723 Re: RED SHIFT Mike Livsey Wed 8/20/1997 4 KB 6726 Re: RED SHIFT Steve Quinney Wed 8/20/1997 4 KB 15763 RED SHIFT KMu9978842@xxx.xxx Sat 4/17/1999 2 KB 15768 Re: RED SHIFT Jens Peschke Sat 4/17/1999 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Clueless bullshit trendy techno dipwads ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Why is RED SHIFT Getting Rare if Ash is on the List? >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:22:11 -0400 >Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > >On Aug 19, 9:37am, [Steven Feldman] wrote: > >>[...] clueless bullshit trendy techno dipwads who like 1969-1975 TD [...] > >I take offence to the terms used (and didn't notice a smiley right beside >said terms). Let me clarify: Not all persons into techno are clueless. Not all persons into techno are bullshit. Not all persons into techno are trendy. Not all persons into techno are dipwads. Many persons into techno are clueless. Many persons into techno are bullshit. Many persons into techno are trendy. Many persons into techno are dipwads. Is that better? The same goes for Pink Floyd, too, BTW ;) Doesn't the fact that there's a techno sub-genre called Intelligent Dance Music clue anyone besides me in to the fact that some folks out there have even more attitude than Billy Idol? A poseur is a poseur is a poseur. For example, I'll bet there're people on this list who give lip service to liking RUBYCON, LOGOS, or POLAND not because they actually like them themselves but because they think saying they like them will make them seem cool. (I was a twenty- something know-it-all once, too, you know.) -- Steven Feldman and + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 20, 1997 7:40 am Subject: Re: RED SHIFT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:20:06 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Steve Hinksman > >Steven Feldman wrote: > >> One thing, though: Ranjit's page (i.e. Progtron) lists RED SHIFT >>as being a UK CD, and yet the guy at Windspell said that it was on >>Centaur Records, which I thought was in Dundee, Scotland. Can anyone >>clear this up? > >Um, isn't Scotland in the UK (United Kingdom, after all)? >Independence for Scotland ('andWales' :^) isn't anywhere >near official, is it? :^) Maybe he was watching Braveheart at the time. 'Freedom!!!' :-) -<- =: (a drawn and quartered smiley...I'm trying...) >Anyone know where I might find this in a CD store near >Toronto, Canada? I like to to support the local CD joints >as much as possible, to encourage them to carry more >of the obscure stuff (most record stores have a TD section, >for example, but mostly it's just one or two albums - >Canyon Dreams and Goblins Club/Tyranny Of Beauty, >typically, and zero chance of Shreeve, T-Bass, or >Paul Nagle, oddly enough). I guess what I'm looking >for is that perfect store where all the obscure stuff >is available at domestic prices. Oh well, I can dream, >can't I? I'm from Toronto and I found the perfect stores; they're Eurock and Progtron. C&D Disk Services (in Scotland!) is also good, but they're a bit pricey and they're not on the Internet (to my knowledge). Other than looking for the mainstream EM bands like TD, JMJ, Kitaro, and Deep Forest, Toronto's no longer much of a market for EM CDs. I've even tried to request special orders, but they generally won't bite. As an example, I offered $350 for KS's Silver Edition, but no one would touch it. I ended up ordering it from C&D and paid around $200, including the duty. I've relied on mail order companies since 1993. The good news is that you can still contribute to the Canadian economy by ordering CDs from abroad. I was recently nailed by customs for a CD I ordered from the US. I was charged $0.68 (CDN) duty, $1.24 GST, and $5.00 handling! That brought the price of the CD I ordered up to the average cost of a Canadian EM CD. Assuming I could find it in Canada... Regards. -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 20, 1997 3:33 am Subject: geography lesson? /non-td ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> OK, let another dumb north american take a crack at this: > For *that* matter, some people call the continent I live on 'the >Americas,' but there are plenty of anti-American Canadians, Mexicans, >El Salvadorians, Brazilians, etc. who I'm sure find the term less than >completely to their liking. -- actually Steve, I think the Canadians and Mexicans, etc. are 'pro-America' the problem is that we in the US tend to pretend that the United States OF America IS America rather than just one part of it... It has always been my belief that Mexicans and Canadians considered themselves Americans and resented the tendency of those in the US to claim the term 'American' for themselves since they too are Americans... We should also remember that 'America' includes the south and central as well as the north and various independent Island states. > Without getting overly political, can someone explain to me why >I'm confused re the differences between the following? > o England > o Britain > o Great Britain > o The British Isles > o The United Kingdom > o The UK --(that last two are the same thing) OK, here goes nothing: Let's cut right to the 'British Isles' since this seems to be where the confusion lies. It is my understanding that there are basically 4 parts: one is the big island of Britain (Britannia) which is divided into England proper, Scotland, and Wales; the fourth part is northern Ireland (maybe a few ultra-loyalists would still claim the whole of Ireland?). The first three represent cultural and political divisions of the Island of Britain (look at a map) and that the 'British Isles' are really composed of the two main islands (and lots of smaller ones), those being Britain and Ireland. (I think that 'Britain' and 'Great Britain' are essentially the same although there may be specific dynastic connotations associated with the term 'Great Britain'). I understand that the 'United Kingdom' (UK) includes England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland (and various other islands); that is, Britain plus (northern) Ireland, so that the UK and the British Isles are essentially the same thing except for the Republic of Ireland (are you still with me?). The 'British Empire,' as I understand it, included the United Kingdom and all territories and possessions around the world but was distinct from the 'United Kingdom' -- 'kingdom' referring to the claim of sovereignty over Britain and Ireland, 'united' referring to the fact that it is 'united' under one rule (OK, let's not get into a debate on this point... ;-) The division of Britian into England, Scotland and Wales stems, I believe, from Roman times and that the boundaries of England roughly represents the furtherest extent of Roman conquest on the island of Britain (Wales and Scotland being unconquered by Hadrian, thus Hadrian's wall in the north). The surviving three distinct forms of gaelic -- Irish, Welsh and Scottish -- are linguistic remnents of this roman division as Latin, later combined with a germanic tongue under the Saxon influence and infused with French (also latinate) after 1066 combined to give birth to the English language: a germanic language with a largely latinate vocabulary. England proper has always been the seat of the monarchy -- the 'kingdom' (well at least since 1066 at Hastings... I'm a little weak on the Anglo-Saxon period) and, besides Scotland and Wales and various parts of Ireland (now represented by 'northern Ireland') also laid claim to much of western France and, under the House of Orange parts of the Netherlands as well... but this is digressing and time to put an end to this essay. Apologies advanced and corrections welcomed. lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6729 Re: geography lesson? /non-td Grant Middleton Wed 8/20/1997 3 KB 6736 Re: geography lesson? /non-td Sean Montgomery Wed 8/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 20, 1997 3:40 am Subject: Re: Conan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: MALLRATTE@a... i agree, the conan soundstrack is a masterpiece and has been copied by others for film music. the movie is underated also, it captured the feeling of the dc comics very well. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 20, 1997 3:49 am Subject: Re: RED SHIFT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve Quinney At 07:20 PM 8/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >Steven Feldman wrote: > >> One thing, though: Ranjit's page (i.e. Progtron) lists RED SHIFT >>as being a UK CD, and yet the guy at Windspell said that it was on >>Centaur Records, which I thought was in Dundee, Scotland. Can anyone >>clear this up? > >Um, isn't Scotland in the UK (United Kingdom, after all)? >Independence for Scotland ('andWales' :^) isn't anywhere >near official, is it? :^) > >Anyone know where I might find this in a CD store near >Toronto, Canada? I like to to support the local CD joints >as much as possible, to encourage them to carry more >of the obscure stuff (most record stores have a TD section, >for example, but mostly it's just one or two albums - >Canyon Dreams and Goblins Club/Tyranny Of Beauty, >typically, and zero chance of Shreeve, T-Bass, or >Paul Nagle, oddly enough). I guess what I'm looking >for is that perfect store where all the obscure stuff >is available at domestic prices. Oh well, I can dream, >can't I? > >All the best, > >Steve > > > There is an interesting selection of EM stuff including boots etc from a store called Seeker's Bookstore on Bloor St. West in Toronto. About a block &1/2 east of Bathurst(downstairs). I recently picked up a copy of Antarktis and the Dream mixes(2CD's) from them. BTW the guy who runs the store loves TD. A good selection of TD in Toronto is Ed's Record World (Record World) located on Yonge St just north of Eglinton Ave 1 1/2 blocks east side Good Hunting ! Steve Quinney from Scarberia From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 20, 1997 2:57 am Subject: Re: England, UK, British Isles, etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Geographically Challenged Steve > > For *that* matter, some people call the continent I live on 'the > Americas,' but there are plenty of anti-American Canadians, Mexicans, > El Salvadorians, Brazilians, etc. who I'm sure find the term less than > completely to their liking. 'The Americas' includes North America, Central America, and South America. > Without getting overly political, can someone explain to me why > I'm confused re the differences between the following? > > o England A country occupying the middle and south of the island of Great Britain. > o Britain A nation (as opposed to a country) of people of mixed Celtic, Norse, Angle, Saxon, and Norman ancestory and heritage (I think I'm correct). Anyone confused about the difference between a nation and a country should consult a good dictionary. > o Great Britain The full name of the island upon which is found the countries of England, Scotland, and Wales. > o The British Isles The island of Great Britain plus the outlaying islands, such as Jersey, Gurnsey, The Isle of Man, and the various islands off the coast of Scotland. > o The United Kingdom A confederation of England, Scotland, Wales, Jersey, Gurnsey, The Isle of Man, and Northern Ireland, owing allegence to their monarch, Queen Elizebeth II (who also happens to be Queen of England and Defender of The Faith). Full proper name: 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.' > o The UK Abbreviation for 'United Kingdom' meaning 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,' much as people who refer to 'The United States' mean 'The United States of America' and indescriminately use the abbreviations 'US' and 'USA' to refer to the same country. > For example, I thought the UK or United Kingdom included non- > British Isles colonies . . . such as Hong Kong. (Not including Hong Kong anymore) what you describe is 'The British Commonwealth,' yet another confederation, but much looser, being composed mostly of the UK plus some of the former colonies and being today mainly a social club and trading community. Anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong. Cheers -- Mark (a Californian, according to one 16th century Spanish romance writer with an active imagination and, possibly, prescient vision: a resident of a mythical island off the west coast of North America populated by Amazons and griffins). ;-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 20, 1997 5:14 am Subject: Something old, something new,......... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... I was listening to some favourite TD digest cassettes today, which I made many months ago, and was enjoying the transition from some of the old stuff to some new titles like 'Towards The Evening Star' (from 'Goblins' Club') and 'Mojave Plan' (from 'White Eagle'). Now, these tunes are quite different as you may imagine, spanning many years of Tangerine Dream development. I like both 'TtES' and 'MP', although I like them differently and for different reasons. As I was listening to the longer 'Mojave Plan' I began to wonder what it is about 'Mojave Plan' that is so captivating and likeable. It is obvious that 'Towards The Evening Star' (the randomly chosen comparator) is much more polished and professional an effort, yet fails as a prime effort (at least in my opinion). 'TtES' has everything going for it; it has a good beat, it has a couple of interesting transitions and chord changes, it has some good sequencer and melody lines, it has some interesting electronic sounds which enhance the music, some good counterpoint and development. But when the tune is over there is a kind of nagging empty feeling left over. I have a sense that I've been robbed of something that could have really been a beauty. Instead, it's over and time to move on to the next selection. Then there is 'Mojave Plan'. A clumsy little epic that starts very tentatively, almost like an afterthought. Then it seems to meander around for a while until it decides to head in one general direction. Now, this could really be stupid. In fact upon reading back on the description I just wrote, it _seems_ to _be_ stupid. But, no! This is like a birth of a child, and we are right there at the conception, right there through the pregnancy, right there at the birth. We are part of the development. We are an _essential_ _element_ _in_ _the_ _composition_, by God. Us!! The listeners!! We are important!! 'Towards The Evening Star' is music being performed FOR us. 'Mojave Plan' is music being performed BY us. 'But, wait a second, I didn't add a single note to this music.', I hear you begin to argue. 'Maybe that's true, but you apply the flesh to the skeleton. You make the music come alive, because you breathe with it. Your pulse quickens with it, slows with it. It draws you in in an uncanny way, and it begins to curl around you like an evening mist. It makes amorous advances to you, and you adjust your own timing to what is going on, matching tick for tick, beat for beat, nuance for nuance. In this way it becomes as a part of you, and you become as a part of it. 'This is music _involvenment_.' Now, how does it do this? How do these primative little phrases and simple rhythms accomplish this? There is an answer. 'Towards The Evening Star' is complete. It is done. It is all of a piece. There is no mystery. It is a tune. A well done tune, but none-the-less still a tune. Almost like a completed canvas. A painting that is finished. No spot left incomplete. It is painted, dried, mounted, framed, exhibited, sold, paid for, transported home, hung, admired All this, but basically just as it was when the last brush stroke was applied; no more, no better, 'Mojave Plan' - - - - - (shall I thrash the stupid analogy?) - - - - - This starts as a BLANK canvas. We watch as every brush stroke is applied, perhaps even before that. We see the painter from moment - 'zero'. We see the image form from absolutely _nothing_. We see the gathering inspiration, and then the surge of creativity. We experience the NEED to create the art. This is more that just a finished product. This is a work in progress. How can this be? It is recorded! It is possible to listen to the same thing over and over and over again exactly the same way. How can this possibly be fresh? How can it be new? Well, it really isn't fresh or new everytime we listen to it. What it does have is immediate urgency. Tons of it. This makes up for the lack of 'fresh' or 'new'. When we experience the artistic creation building up to completion piece by piece, note by note, we cannot help but become a conduit for the excitement contained within it. And we do. This is Tangerine Dream in the early years. Different from today. This music will never die. What they are doing now, unfortunately, _will_. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6731 Something old, something new,......... Lars R. Jones Wed 8/20/1997 3 KB 6735 Re: Something old, something new,......... Marcel Engels Thu 8/21/1997 3 KB 6742 Re: Something old, something new,......... PNaunton@a... Thu 8/21/1997 2 KB 6752 Re: Something old, something new,......... feldon@p... Thu 8/21/1997 3 KB 6744 Re: Something old, something new,......... PNaunton@a... Thu 8/21/1997 3 KB 6753 Re: Something old, something new,......... feldon@p... Thu 8/21/1997 4 KB 6754 Re: Something old, something new,......... feldon@p... Thu 8/21/1997 3 KB 6761 Re: Something old, something new,......... PNaunton@a... Fri 8/22/1997 4 KB 6762 Re: Deserted Island Phase 3? feldon@p... Fri 8/22/1997 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 20, 1997 9:48 am Subject: Re: geography lesson? /non-td ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > OK, let another dumb north american take a crack at this: '...American fans are generally very warmhearted, but dumb as fish...' (Klaus D. Meuller) > OK, here goes nothing: > Apologies advanced and corrections welcomed. > > lars Absolutely no apologies required from either yourself or Mr F. You guys hit the nail on the head. The only thing I ask is that you don't refer to the UK as 'England'. While I was living in the USA, people often refered to me as 'from England' or 'English'. I'm Scottish and I'm British, and I'm European, but I'm not and have never been English. I don't take it as an insult (many Scots would !), but it /is/ stunningly, absolutely, completely, incorrect. Grant (of the clan MacDonald !) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 20, 1997 12:46 pm Subject: Jubilee Edition in USA? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I just contacted Mario at Manikin Records and he said that those that ordered Klaus Schulze's Jubilee Edition 25CD set directly from the source (Manikin) should be getting them soon in the USA. He said that my copy was mailed in the first week of August, so I assume he mailed them to all North American customers at the same time. USPS may have slowed things down a bit due to the UPS strike (now over). Has anybody in the US received their's yet? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6733 Jubilee Edition in USA? Lars R. Jones Wed 8/20/1997 3 KB 6738 Re: Jubilee Edition in USA? Francisco Salgado C. Thu 8/21/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 20, 1997 1:24 pm Subject: Something old, something new,......... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > 'Towards The Evening Star' is music being performed FOR us. > > 'Mojave Plan' is music being performed BY us. [...] > 'This is music _involvenment_.' interesting thoughts Phil and well stated. I tend to agree with you for the most part although I think that much of today's music is still about involvement but it is a different sort of involvement; when I listen to the guitar on Birdwatcher's dream, Tyranny of Beauty, Firetongues, it totally involves me much the way 'classic' TD does. Additionally, different things involve different people and I'd say that music in its essence (like most 'art' forms) is really about the invovlement and engagement of the beholder/listener, etc. lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 20, 1997 2:09 pm Subject: 3tier dream disc 2 & assassin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers first I should confess that I have joined the bounce version addicts (at least until after the north pole contest and The Keep 150 LE sign-up ;-) np: 3 tier dream disc 2... I've been listening to this set for two days now and what strikes me (it really seems to stick out like a sore thumb) is that on disc two, beginning at about 22:00 minutes into track 1 (and again around 25:00), it really sounds alot like the theme to Assassin. This is supposed to be 10.20.81 London, right? so it pre-dates Assassin by a short period of time (assuming Shreeve was working on Assassin in 82-83), correct? Is there a connection? Was Shreeve picking up on a theme set down by TD? or is this just coincidence. if so, it is quite interesting Is Mark Shreeve lurking somewhere on this list? if you don't have assassin, consider getting a copy; if you don't have 3-tier dream, consider that too, it's great; stuff from 76, 81 & 86. The 86 paris concert on disc 3 + 3-tier dream on really kicks butt too. lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6734 Re: 3tier dream disc 2 & assassin Grant Middleton Thu 8/21/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 20, 1997 2:18 pm Subject: Jubilee Edition in USA? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I know this is a day late and a dollar short but: I've known about the KS historic, jubilee and silver? editions for awhile but never had the money or the serious inclination to buy them -- not being as anal about KS as I am about TD... I suppose now I am beginning to think that I should have tried to order them. Can someone please be so kind as to roughly summarize what is in/on each set and if any of these might still available anywhere? and for roughly how much? I know some/all? of these are sold out but it would still help for the future since a few will probably float around on swap lists for awhile. thanks lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 20, 1997 4:10 pm Subject: Re: 3tier dream disc 2 & assassin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > np: 3 tier dream disc 2... > I've been listening to this set for two days now and what strikes me (it > really seems to stick out like a sore thumb) is that on disc two, beginning > at about 22:00 minutes into track 1 (and again around 25:00), it really > sounds alot like the theme to Assassin. This is supposed to be 10.20.81 > London, right? so it pre-dates Assassin by a short period of time > (assuming Shreeve was working on Assassin in 82-83), correct? Is there a > connection? Was Shreeve picking up on a theme set down by TD? or is this > just coincidence. if so, it is quite interesting Shreeve himself has admitted that the title track of Assassin is a tribute to the theme tune of 'Assault on Precinct 13', written and played by John Carpenter. Maybe TD were so impressed with the movie theme, they did a 'tribute', too. :-) > Is Mark Shreeve lurking somewhere on this list? I hope not, after what I'm going to say.. :-( > if you don't have assassin, consider getting a copy; if you don't have > 3-tier dream, consider that too, it's great; stuff from 76, 81 & 86. The > 86 paris concert on disc 3 + 3-tier dream on really kicks butt too. To be honest, I find Assassin a bit too 'back bedroom'. It sounds thin and the overall feeling I get is of someone who could have done with better gear than that which was available to him. Later released are far bigger, more composed and more polished sounding. Of historical interest only (to me). (G)rant From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 20, 1997 3:54 pm Subject: Re: Something old, something new,......... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > 'Towards The Evening Star' is music being performed FOR us. > > 'Mojave Plan' is music being performed BY us. > > 'But, wait a second, I didn't add a single note to this music.', I > hear you begin to argue. > > 'Maybe that's true, but you apply the flesh to the skeleton. You > make the music come alive, because you breathe with it. Your pulse quickens > with it, slows with it. It draws you in in an uncanny way, and it begins to > curl around you like an evening mist. It makes amorous advances to you, and > you adjust your own timing to what is going on, matching tick for tick, beat > for beat, nuance for nuance. In this way it becomes as a part of you, and > you become as a part of it. > 'This is music _involvenment_.' That's exactly how I think about it, Phil. It's the listener who fills in the last part of the music. Pre '87 TD is very mystic and just must be filled in by the listener and that's why I like it and also Schulze, RMI and others. Nowadays there are no mysteries to discover, thus no filling ins, thus I don't like it. Easy. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 20, 1997 3:48 pm Subject: Re: geography lesson? /non-td ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > It has always been my belief that Mexicans and Canadians considered > themselves Americans and resented the tendency of those in the US to > claim the term 'American' for themselves since they too are Americans... I have always thought of myself as a Canadian. Yes, 'United States of America' refers to a confederation of states within the whole America region. However, the fact that the U.S. considers the entire Western Hemisphere to be its protectorate and playground makes it easy to understand why some people might resent the 'Americans' tag being applied to everyone within it. The push for more Free Trade will only make this situation more pronounced. As the Europe Community seems to be discovering, creating a level playing field for trade can also mean losing sovereignty over ones' national affairs. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Blessed are the meek, for they make great scapegoats' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 20, 1997 4:52 pm Subject: Red Shift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ashok prema All this talk of Red Shift so late in the day........ Believe me, if we could guarantee to shift (pun unintended) say, 300 albums, we'd have no problems with a second re-press, what we fear is being left with 850 cd's in our loft! - at the end of the day, we need to make a profit, in order to finance future releases (Andy Pickford, Paul Lawler etc). Finally, it was never out on Centaur - this is mistaken info. Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26087 Re: Red Shift Frank Arellano Tue 2/20/2001 4 KB 26094 Re: Red Shift Marcel Engels Tue 2/20/2001 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 20, 1997 5:00 pm Subject: Re: Jubilee Edition in USA? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to > majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > I know this is a day late and a dollar short but: > > I've known about the KS historic, jubilee and silver? editions for > awhile but never had the money or the serious inclination to buy them > not being as anal about KS as I am about TD... I suppose now I am > beginning to think that I should have tried to order them. Can > someone please be so kind as to roughly summarize what is in/on each > set and if any of these might still available anywhere? first question is better answered at this link: http://www.eecs.uic.edu/~jstamato/ks/music.html second question: I've got it at cdnow ( for around 300 dollars each set) I think silver edition is gone. Maybe Historic Ed. is reachable at the same place where you got the jubilee edition ( Manikin records) regards ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: I'll Soon Be Splashing Around the Internet Again ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi All, Just a brief note to say that near the end of the last week of August, I will again lose access to e-mail. This is because of two things: first, my temporary job ends on August 29th, and second, my main net address is on a mainframe -- which requires a telnet program called TN3270 in order to interface correctly. Without this TN3270 thingee, dealing with virtually *anything* at my mainframe account is either difficult or impossible. I just hope I don't miss the boat with that limited edition version of THE KEEP that was mentioned on the TD web page. I'll still have web access. It's regular internet access that'll be a problem. I'll miss you all -- even the techno heads! ;) P.S.: if anyone out there knows how to get around this TN3270 problem, like say, downloading a web version or somesuch, let me know. Thanks. Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Emdreams, CNI News, Contact ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Forum, _PEER_ Perspectives, ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ the Nausicaa list, Tadream, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ & Hong Kong Film Connection ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: sfeldman@w... ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 20, 1997 10:38 pm Subject: RE: TDI WHINE WHINE WHINE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:36 AM 8/15/97 -0400, you wrote: >----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >TDI... I can almost ALWAYS find what I want...Why can't you??? >8^D > > >Mike J, Chicago > > Because you live in Chicago? > > Scott Probably. During a recent visit, I walked into a commercial establishment in downtown Chicago (Crow's Nest in the Music Mart), and they had at least 30 TD titles. Nothing fancy, mind you, but still impressive by my standards (Birmingham, Alabama). I can imagine what I could have found had I known where to look. Oh, well... but then, again, they have to put up with the weather. :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 20, 1997 10:57 pm Subject: Re: SHRIEVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 10:48 AM 8/15/97 -0400, Tom wrote: >Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > > >In a message dated 97-08-15 04:26:25 EDT, you write: > ><< Michael Shrieve... Never heard his music, have no idea... > > You wanna? 'Fascination' is on my 'to be traded' shelf. :-(. He > > is a drummer (not particularly impressive) >> > >not impressive? i urge u to listen/re-listen to his work on santana's >caravanseri album,,, > >tom w I am TOTALLY rescinding my earlier opinion of Mark Shrieve's skill! Now that I know who he is. The problem with Santana concerts is that one is so utterly wasted that the names of the band members do not always register. But 'Fascination' is still not impressive. To me. Similarly, though, I listen to Klaus Schulze with TD, blows my mind, then hear his later stuff and wonder what happened to his (drum) sticks. Thanks for the pointer. I am definitely wiser now. Andrew np: 'Abraxas' :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 21, 1997 5:02 am Subject: Re: Something old, something new,......... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-08-20 16:10:01 EDT, you write: << Nowadays there are no mysteries to discover, thus no filling ins, thus I don't like it. Easy. Marcel >> I wish it was 'easy', but Edgar and company lost it, and from years of recent evidence, will never regain that 'mystery'. Too bad. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6752 Re: Something old, something new,......... feldon@p... Thu 8/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 21, 1997 5:02 am Subject: Re: TDI WHINE WHINE WHINE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-08-20 22:37:07 EDT, you write: << Probably. During a recent visit, I walked into a commercial establishment in downtown Chicago (Crow's Nest in the Music Mart), and they had at least 30 TD titles. Nothing fancy, mind you, but still impressive by my standards (Birmingham, Alabama). I can imagine what I could have found had I known where to look. Oh, well... but then, again, they have to put up with the weather. :-) Andrew >> What weather? We have no weather here! Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 21, 1997 5:02 am Subject: Re: Something old, something new,......... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-08-20 12:07:30 EDT, you write: << > 'This is music _involvenment_.' interesting thoughts Phil and well stated. I tend to agree with you for the most part although I think that much of today's music is still about involvement but it is a different sort of involvement; when I listen to the guitar on Birdwatcher's dream, Tyranny of Beauty, Firetongues, it totally involves me much the way 'classic' TD does. Additionally, different things involve different people and I'd say that music in its essence (like most 'art' forms) is really about the invovlement and engagement of the beholder/listener, etc. lars >> Admittedly, a hundred TD fans will get a hundred and fifty different involvements from the music. I can certainly get involved in any number of recent TD compositions. What I was getting at was the uniqueness of some of the early TD recordings, and the almost Mies van der Rohe 'form is function' aspect of the early tunes. It is more than just music. Instead is is a creative event of which the listener is virtually an active part . Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6753 Re: Something old, something new,......... feldon@p... Thu 8/21/1997 4 KB 6754 Re: Something old, something new,......... feldon@p... Thu 8/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 12:59 pm Subject: Used CD in LA area ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gianni Ghigo Hi next week I'll be in the Los Angeles area and I wonder if someone has to suggest me some places where I can find used CD of space/emusic. Thanks in advance ciao gianni. P.S. sorry for the cross-posting tadream <--> space-music -- ----------------- ______________________________ / / ___/ ___/ / /_ _/ / /--/___ / ___/ /_/ / / / /_____/_____/_____/_____/_/_/_/ Giovanni Ghigo >>CM/TM Microelectronics Applications<< CSELT (Centro Studi E Laboratori Telecomunicazioni) V. Reiss Romoli, 274 10148 Torino ITALY Ph. : +39 11 2285423 Fax : +39 11 2287140 E_Mail: Giovanni.Ghigo@C... ----------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 21, 1997 11:07 am Subject: TD Midi Files ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) Thanks to Steve Grace for the Mojave Plan Midi file. Does anyone (Phil Meyer?) have/know the whereabouts of any other TD midi's that I could get my hands on please? - Lawry Simm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6751 Re: TD Midi Files feldon@p... Thu 8/21/1997 3 KB 6757 Re: TD Midi Files Philip Meyer Fri 8/22/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 21, 1997 1:30 pm Subject: New York ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Any more talk about that long rumored autumn Electronic Music Event? Mike J From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 21, 1997 1:40 pm Subject: Re: Crow's Nest Music/Chicago ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Andrew, Too bad you didn't let me know you were in town... My office is directly across the street from the Music Mart, and I attend Graduate School in the Music Mart building...I'm browsing in the shop a couple times a week.... Mike J From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 21, 1997 1:42 pm Subject: Jubilee in US ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Well, I have the Silver Edition, but couldn't bring myself to splurge on the Jubilee (yet anyway). I friend in the Chicago area says he received his 2 days ago, so they are defintely 'in the mail'. MJ NP: KS-The Dresden Performance From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 21, 1997 2:28 pm Subject: Re: SHRIEVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-08-20 22:37:04 EDT, you write: << I am TOTALLY rescinding my earlier opinion of Mark Shrieve's skill! Now that I know who he is. The problem with Santana concerts is that one is so utterly wasted that the names of the band members do not always register. he he...i know the feeling.... But 'Fascination' is still not impressive. To me. >> ur right about fascination...it does seem like a throwaway...but, in the same vein, unless u really hate this type of stuff, check out some of the work he did with jonas hellborg...that'll should elevate ur impression of shrieve's skills even further (and introduce u to, imo, the best bass player around).... tom w np: scarab - secrets of the past and future From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 21, 1997 2:58 pm Subject: Re: TD Midi Files ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 12:07 PM 8/21/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) > >Thanks to Steve Grace for the Mojave Plan Midi file. > >Does anyone (Phil Meyer?) have/know the whereabouts of any other TD midi's >that I could get my hands on please? If any more MIDI files existed, they'd be up on Phil's and my page. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 21, 1997 3:00 pm Subject: Re: Something old, something new,......... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 01:02 AM 8/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > >In a message dated 97-08-20 16:10:01 EDT, you write: > ><< Nowadays there are no mysteries to discover, thus no filling ins, thus > I don't like it. Easy. > I wish it was 'easy', but Edgar and company lost it, and from years >of recent evidence, will never regain that 'mystery'. Too bad. I wish they would hire a 'mystery' consultant to go in and randomly remove about 3% of the notes in their MIDI files... Morgan P.S. just kidding, it takes a little more than that to get back to old TD! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 21, 1997 3:07 pm Subject: Re: Something old, something new,......... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 01:02 AM 8/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > >In a message dated 97-08-20 12:07:30 EDT, you write: > ><< > 'This is music _involvenment_.' > interesting thoughts Phil and well stated. I tend to agree with you for > the most part although I think that much of today's music is still about > involvement but it is a different sort of involvement; when I listen to the > guitar on Birdwatcher's dream, Tyranny of Beauty, Firetongues, it totally > involves me much the way 'classic' TD does. I think he's talking on a more literal level. Present-day TD has every note played exactly to a pre-determined MIDI sequence. Past TD they would occasionally miss a note, sometimes by accident (no!) and sometimes on purpose. They left holes that your brain would fill in... Ever listened to a song and swore that it went a certain way and when you crank it up and listen to it again, you've been substituting notes in 'holes'? I think that's what he's talking about. Of course, this is just one of the many things about old TD that are missing from new TD. Another is that the final track on Goblin's Club really should have developed over a 20 minute side. The first 3 1/2 minutes are heaven and then it fizzles. If the bass loop and patterns had lasted for a minute or two longer, I would give Goblin's Club another 1/2 AS. Yes, just for that one track. And they move from 'feeling' to 'feeling' every 4-8 measures. Edgar has gotten impatient in his musical storytelling. Yes, people who exclusively like new TD think we're just moaning over and over again, but we LIKE it when it takes 5 minutes before the melody starts! Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 21, 1997 3:08 pm Subject: Re: Something old, something new,......... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 01:02 AM 8/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > >In a message dated 97-08-20 12:07:30 EDT, you write: > >I can certainly get involved in any >number of recent TD compositions. What I was getting at was the uniqueness >of some of the early TD recordings, and the almost Mies van der Rohe 'form is >function' aspect of the early tunes. It is more than just music. Instead is >is a creative event of which the listener is virtually an active part . I see new TD as just music. Old TD is a religious experience (that's NOT a cathedral joke). Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 21, 1997 11:53 am Subject: needles, etc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox To all who responded to me regarding phono needles and other supplies, sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I had a deadline project that kept me busy the last few days. I'll be sending out a list of what I have to you soon. To others, sorry for the bandwidth! Cheers, Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 21, 1997 6:57 pm Subject: Blue Ice CD-ROM w/TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek There is a strange CD-ROM PC/Mac game out called 'Blue Ice'. I haven't played the game yet or listened to the audio, but here are some details: Blue Ice - CD-ROM for PC or Mac in QSound (PC only) UK, Psygnosis 022788, 1996 Contains samples from the following bands (in order on credits): Brian Eno, Roger Eno, Fripp & Eno, Orbital, Duke Ellington, FSOL, Paul Schutze, The Grid, Tangerine Dream, David Sylvian, Cold Storage. There are two tracks by Tangerine Dream: 1. Phaedra 2. Thru Metamorphic Rock Sound interesting? You can contact Psygnosis in the UK at: +44 (0)151-282-3000 (voice) +44 (0)151-282-3001 (fax) Ask for Ruth Williams and mention the TD mailing list, maybe you can negotiate a discount. BTW, I don't know the retail price. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 22, 1997 6:36 am Subject: Re: TD Midi Files ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Philip Meyer Hi tadream@c... (tadream mailing list), >Thanks to Steve Grace for the Mojave Plan Midi file. > >Does anyone (Phil Meyer?) have/know the whereabouts of any other TD midi's >that I could get my hands on please? > The only ones that I know about are the one's on my site. There's an early version of Tangent available on Morgan's site at http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/. Morgan is also working on Logos Blue... Phil --Phil Meyer-------------------------- phil@h... amarok@c... http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk --------God loves his children, yeah-- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 22, 1997 3:42 am Subject: Tradition & Vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Well, I just got Klaus Schulze's 25CD Jubilee Edition in and I couldn't hold back from making a comment. First of all, I was horrified to see the package hanging outside my mailbox. Little did anyone know what jems were enclosed. Thank God a storm didn't pop up or some crazy neighbor kid didn't decide to get malicious... So I see 1 triple CD and 11 double CDs lined up. OK, where do I start? Since I tend to be logical, I start with CD 1. I look at it (expecting some rare 70's concert recording) and it says 'Tradition & Vision', one track clocking in at 78:45 recorded in April 1997. OK, let it roll... I start writing a letter to my Ukrainian pen pal while sitting between my speakers at a 'good' volume. As any devoted KS fans knows, his music is very emotional and it takes some time to build to the emotional electronic climax. Well, let me tell you, I was having an electronic orgasm during most of this disc! This was recorded just a few months ago using ONLY analogue equipment, NO computers, and almost done live in one take with Jorg Schaaf! Oh, I'm having another one! My God, there IS somebody out there making the exact music I love. It looks like the next 24 days will be like an extended honeymoon! Tangerine Dream may be the master electronic group of all time, but Klaus Schulze is the master composer in electronic music! PERIOD! If you know how to feel - deeply, then here's your electronic fix. I hope all of you get to experience this. Whew! Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6759 Re: Tradition & Vision Paul Nagle Fri 8/22/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 22, 1997 2:55 pm Subject: Re: Tradition & Vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >My God, there IS somebody out there making the exact music I love. It looks >like the next 24 days will be like an extended honeymoon! Tangerine Dream >may be the master electronic group of all time, but Klaus Schulze is the >master composer in electronic music! PERIOD! If you know how to feel - >deeply, then here's your electronic fix. I hope all of you get to >experience this. Glad you found your god. I found how upsetting it could be when mine wandered off one day - I keep him on a lead from now on. Erm, I'm not sure I agree about Klaus's prowess as a composer though. To me it sounds like he gets himself in a certain mood, improvises for a few days then picks out the bits he likes best. Not that this is necessarily an invalid means of expression - some of his more successful pieces (Body Love, X, Mirage, Dig It etc.) are perfect examples of how to milk a small set of ideas into something quite wonderful.... Can't beat Klaus for that late night, 'velvetty' feeling.... 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 11/08/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 22, 1997 9:17 am Subject: Bill Cosby ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Has Bill Cosby ever appeared on the list before? Last Saturday on BBC1 (in the UK), they showedthe film GhostDad, starring Bill Cosby. A short way into the film, they actually played some TD. It was Betrayal from Sorcerer, and appeared over a sequence where Cosby climbs into a cab and is then taken on a hellish ride climaxing with the cab crashing and hanging precariously on the edge of a bridge. I assume this is relevant to Sorcerer in some way (not having seen either that or Wages of Fear). Is this something new for you 'filmographers' out there to add? ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6785 Re: Bill Cosby Michael A Jean Mon 8/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 22, 1997 3:17 pm Subject: Re: Something old, something new,......... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-08-21 12:10:36 EDT, you write: << >I can certainly get involved in any >number of recent TD compositions. What I was getting at was the uniqueness >of some of the early TD recordings, and the almost Mies van der Rohe 'form is >function' aspect of the early tunes. It is more than just music. Instead is >is a creative event of which the listener is virtually an active part . I see new TD as just music. Old TD is a religious experience (that's NOT a cathedral joke). Morgan >> You may have something there. I'm listening to 'Rybicon' right now, and there is a certain synchronicity and archetype aspect to this music which transcends the more common elements of the 'popular' music we are more frequently exposed. I believe that this is because the TD compositions of recent years are more intellectually connected to the composers, whereas the early years are instead more spontaneous, haphazard, inspirational, improvised, and therefore more _removed_ from the aspect of intellectualism. Therefore, not to get too new-age-sappy here, once you are removed from the barrier of intellectualism it becomes much easier to move more freely into the areas of emotion and related spiritualism. It is only natural that one can be drawn into the 'religious' aspect of the music of the earlier TD since the rigidity of music contruction in these tunes is virtually absent. Please turn to hymn number 236 for the offertory anthem while the ushers pass the collection plates. ;-) Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6762 Re: Deserted Island Phase 3? feldon@p... Fri 8/22/1997 6 KB 6763 Re: Deserted Island Phase 3? Sean Montgomery Sat 8/23/1997 4 KB 6769 LYNNE / Dr. Awesome feldon@p... Sat 8/23/1997 3 KB 6770 Re: LYNNE / Dr. Awesome Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 8/24/1997 3 KB 6784 Let us now praise Banco de Gaia Sean Montgomery Mon 8/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 22, 1997 7:57 pm Subject: Re: Deserted Island Phase 3? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:17 AM 8/22/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > >In a message dated 97-08-21 12:10:36 EDT, you write: > > >It is more than just music. Instead is > >is a creative event of which the listener is virtually an active part . > > I see new TD as just music. Old TD is a religious experience (that's NOT a > cathedral joke). > > Morgan > > You may have something there. I'm listening to 'Rubycon' right >now, and there is a certain synchronicity and archetype aspect to this music >which transcends the more common elements of the 'popular' music we are more >frequently exposed. To be more specific: It doesn't have a DAMN thing to do with 'popular' music. If anything, it's orchestral. >I believe that this is because the TD compositions of >recent years are more intellectually connected to the composers, whereas the >early years are instead more spontaneous, haphazard, inspirational, >improvised, and therefore more _removed_ from the aspect of intellectualism. It has been questioned often enough. Does old TD sound the way it does because of limitations of the equipment? Edgar always said that they wished they could sequence things easier. The fact that TD didn't have full sequencing capability until '86 may have a deeper meaning. It's the same as limiting a true artist to nothing but pencil and paper. He will still come up with something good, maybe even better than when he's working with all the tools. This is not true of the so-called modern artists of today. They can't work outside their narrow field. (I'm attacking a small group here, read on!) ----------------- Here's a universal truth for you: True creative genius requires one to ignore all conscious thought until a creative mass is formed. Then, it falls to one's intellectual abilities to shape and refine that creative mass. This must be a equal partnership. If either side tips the balance, too much un-restrained creativity, or too much intellectual meddling, the work is ruined. Let's take such things as metal sculptures of garbage; or paintings 2 meters by 1 meter, painted solid red and selling for millions. What's the point? It's not intellectual. It's not creative. They artist will tell you it's 100% emotion. And there are hundreds of pieces of 'art' being cranked out which are 100% symbolism and no content. ---------- I have been pleasantly surprised by sitting in front of a synth and banging around until I get a sequence or pattern I like. Then I record that, loop it, and then try to find something to put on top. Frankly, I have a tough time layering music in my head and having had little classical training, (this will change in the future!) I want to create music but don't know how. TD has all kinds of equipment and music experience,yet... (biting my tongue) Here's a poll question: If Edgar, Jerome, and Zlatko were stuck on a deserted island for 3 months with only the equipment from the 1980-1983 tours +drumset+electric guitar, (plenty of food, water, electricity, suntan lotion, good lodgings, etc.) would they produce: a) No music. Just get frustrated, eat and sleep. b) Re-hashings of their recent music. c) Re-hashings of their 1980-1983 style of music d) Exceptional music, sharing elements of 1980-1983, yet original e) Music, but only to entertain themselves with... Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6763 Re: Deserted Island Phase 3? Sean Montgomery Sat 8/23/1997 4 KB 6769 LYNNE / Dr. Awesome feldon@p... Sat 8/23/1997 3 KB 6770 Re: LYNNE / Dr. Awesome Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 8/24/1997 3 KB 6784 Let us now praise Banco de Gaia Sean Montgomery Mon 8/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 22, 1997 8:56 pm Subject: Re: Deserted Island Phase 3? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Here's a poll question: I choose: > d) Exceptional music, sharing elements of 1980-1983, yet original With the important qualification that it might not be 'exceptional' in the sense you'd hope for. First of all, TD music from 80-83 was 66% Franke and Schmoelling, and they wouldn't be on this hypothetical island. Furthermore, Jerome and Zlatko's input and decision-making would naturally lead things in a different direction. Secondly, this music you refer to was created over 15 years ago, in Berlin..not on a desert island today. Are you motivated by the same things now that you were in 1981? Do you feel the same way while lying on a beach that you do when walking on a street downtown, or when sitting in your house? Art is always best understood when viewed in a historical and personal context. Although being limited to old equipment would make for similar sounds as the old stuff, a lot of water has flowed under the musical bridge since then - both for the Froeses personally and in the world in general. There's no going back, unless you have truly run out of new ideas and want to play the longue circuit, going through the old material year after year. Obviously, the band is going through a transitional period, as Edgar has 'tidied up' a large percentage of the band's previous output. But now it seems they are ready to move on, releasing an onslaught of new material in the next few months. Whether it will turn out to be influenced by the Froeses' recent revisiting of the past remains to be seen. I would personally like it if they go on to something completely new. That's what made the 80-83 stuff so good in the first place; there was nothing else like it. But that particular period of the bands' development became the inspiration for a dozen cheezy 80s action show and Sci-Fi channel themes. A new album that sounded just like Exit should be cause for concern. While much of the band's recent output has been sub-par, I still admire them for not standing still. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Blessed are the meek, for they make great scapegoats' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 22, 1997 9:20 pm Subject: FSP/Roach concert (plug) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Here's the message again. For those of you who have seen it already can skip it (or not). For those new on the list or back from vacation, read on: --------------------- alfa-centauri 5 year anniversary concert on november 1, 1997 location: theatre 3-in-1 in Huizen, the netherlands box office will open at 1800 hours concert of Free System Project at 1900 hours concert of Vidna Obmana/Steve Roach at 2030 hours ticket prices: 20,00 guilders in advance (from august 1 till october 15) 22,50 at box office 10,00 guilders for a-centauri members (only advance) reservation of tickets possible by sending eurocheque or cash money to stichting alfa-centauri po box 1131 NL-1270 BC Huizen the netherlands reserved and payed tickets will be held at the box office or people can contact (+31) 35 52 65635 or (+31) 35 52 67679 we can send route descriptions etc. on request people from netherlands can also pay via our bank account nr ABN AMRO 55.44.80.638 dedicated to stichting alfa-centauri, Huizen (banks giro 32750) beginning of august we will send a mailing out to our 'network' with a flyer and all details regarding ticket reservations, location, route description, times etc etc if people want to receive that mailing, they can send us an email (eric.snelders@d...) or send a postcard or letter to the adress mentioned above (or just simply call us), we will put their name/adress on the mailing list ------------------------ Thanks for your interest! Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 22, 1997 9:39 pm Subject: Re: Deserted Island Phase 3? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > If Edgar, Jerome, and Zlatko were stuck on a deserted island for 3 months > with only the equipment from the 1980-1983 tours +drumset+electric guitar, > (plenty of food, water, electricity, suntan lotion, good lodgings, etc.) > would they produce: > > a) No music. Just get frustrated, eat and sleep. > b) Re-hashings of their recent music. > c) Re-hashings of their 1980-1983 style of music > d) Exceptional music, sharing elements of 1980-1983, yet original > e) Music, but only to entertain themselves with... I think they would produce about the same music they do now, but with the (great) sounds from 80s. But they didn't use a computer as a sequencer then, so maybe we will hear the 16 stage sequencer again. And the PPG and the ... (dream on) The music would be less then the true 80-83 tours with Schmoelling as a great player (I think he's way better then Jerome, sorry J.). So maybe a mix of a, b and c. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 22, 1997 11:54 pm Subject: I spoke too soon! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean OK, there is something I CAN'T find in Chicago....A VHS copy of the VIDEO DREAM MIXES (though people tell me they exist)... Mike J NP: Vangelis: 1492-Conquest of Paradise Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6768 Re: I spoke too soon! Vic Rek Sat 8/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 23, 1997 5:14 am Subject: Re: Something old, something new,......... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-08-22 11:41:19 EDT, you write: << You may have something there. I'm listening to 'Rybicon' right now, and there is a certain synchronicity and archetype aspect to this music which transcends the more common elements of the 'popular' music we are more frequen >> That's 'Rub-Y-con', putz. Get it together, will ya'? Well, duh. It was just a test to see if you were listening! I'm not listening, I'm reading. And you're still a putz! Phil Naunton (Having one of his very interesting conversations with himself.) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 23, 1997 5:30 am Subject: Re: I spoke too soon! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: Michael A Jean >OK, there is something I CAN'T find in Chicago....A VHS copy of the VIDEO >DREAM MIXES (though people tell me they exist)... Me too. I hear it's lame though...??? >NP: Vangelis: 1492-Conquest of Paradise Great Strk! I like the last track the best - classic! Vr NP: Disc #? Jubilee Edition.. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 23, 1997 7:06 pm Subject: LYNNE / Dr. Awesome ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... I just found this guy's webpage. He produces music under two different names, 'Dr. Awesome' is tribal/trance/rave/pop music. Lynne (his last name) is ambient/space/instrumental. Here's an excerpt from his webpage. I haven't listened to any of Lynne's music (I'm downloading an MP3) and this is not a paid advertisement: Some reviewers say that LYNNE is inventing a new style of music with this extremely vibrant and pulsating instrumental rock music which is immediately gripping, but still has depth and nerve to move the listener deeper and deeper the more he listens. This is a concept album about a space trip that went terribly wrong - charged with a sublime fear wrapped in stunning production. It's got elements of Pink Floyd, Genesis, Ozric Tentacles, Steve Hillage, Porcupine Tree - yet it sounds completely unique. This is what Tangerine Dream would have sounded like today, if they had continued their adventurous exploration of new musical ground. It's what Jean-Michel Jarre would have sounded like today, [CENSORED] (and teamed up with a rock guitarist). Listen to this one with all the lights out! ---------- Disparaging comment about JMJ removed by poster: Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6770 Re: LYNNE / Dr. Awesome Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 8/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 24, 1997 5:45 am Subject: Re: LYNNE / Dr. Awesome ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 02:06 PM 8/23/97 -0500, Morgan wrote: >I just found this guy's webpage. He produces music under two different >names, 'Dr. Awesome' is tribal/trance/rave/pop music. Lynne (his last name) >is ambient/space/instrumental. Here's an excerpt from his webpage. I >haven't listened to any of Lynne's music (I'm downloading an MP3) and this >is not a paid advertisement: [......] Do let us know about your thoughts on the sound after you listened. Unfortunately, the CDs sell for about 12.99 British Pounds a piece, which, with shipping would end up costing us (in the States ) about US$ 25 (now why would I want to pay the VAT, I ask). Dr. Awesome/Lynne just priced himself out of MY pocket. But still would be interested in your impressions. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 24, 1997 3:10 pm Subject: TD Amsterdam live tape ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Wouter Bessels Hi, Is anyone of you TD-addicts interested in a excellent quality live tape, recorded at the Amsterdam 20-4-1997 gig ?? It's recorded on a DCC-recorder near the front of the stage, and the tape consists the complete 140+ minutes concert, including the encores and Edgar his final word. So, this tape also features the 'Vintage Set'. I would like to trade this (your copy will be from the master) tape for other, low generation, TD-live tapes through the years, as I don't have any other TD live-tapes. PLease contact me by E-mail at: int1217@m... Hope to hear from you soon ! Wouter Bessels (Holland) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 24, 1997 2:40 pm Subject: a'dam eve disc set ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers Thank goodness for the UPS strike! Even if it's over, the post office is still delivering some mail on sundays... And what did they deliver today? A copy of the new 2CDR 'A'dam Eve'! This is a very limited edition set of 33 copies so I feel pretty lucky to have gotten a copy ;-) even the discs have artwork and each disc is also numbered. Since I'm in the middle of moving, I don't have time to post a full review but initial inspection shows that it has great artwork and it sounds great! It's fantastic to hear the full concert (especially the vintage set 1 material like silver scale and the encores) rather than the little bit of recent material available on tournado... ciao for now lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 24, 1997 3:35 pm Subject: Re: LYNNE / Dr. Awesome ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Alexander Bjelke At 00:45 24.08.97 -0500, you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > >At 02:06 PM 8/23/97 -0500, Morgan wrote: > > >>I just found this guy's webpage. He produces music under two different >>names, 'Dr. Awesome' is tribal/trance/rave/pop music. Lynne (his >last name) >>is ambient/space/instrumental. Here's an excerpt from his webpage. I >>haven't listened to any of Lynne's music (I'm downloading an >MP3) and this >>is not a paid advertisement: >[......] > >Do let us know about your thoughts on the sound after you >listened. Unfortunately, the CDs sell for about 12.99 British >Pounds a piece, which, with shipping would end up costing us (in >the States ) about US$ 25 (now why would I want to pay the VAT, I >ask). Dr. Awesome/Lynne just priced himself out of MY pocket. > >But still would be interested in your impressions. The shipping is included in the prise, isn't it?? I have all his CD's and they are all great! :-) -Especially Dreamstate, Montage, Witchwood and The Void. Don't buy Decade (the newest release) as it is mostly music which wasn't good enough for the other albums. Though it has a huge data section of all his mods (he is said to be the greates mod composer of all time!) which was the reason I bought that album. I'll encourage those interested to buy 'the Void' which is really greeaat :) Alexander -- - o Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6775 Re: LYNNE / Dr. Awesome Francisco Salgado C. Mon 8/25/1997 2 KB 6783 Re: LYNNE / Dr. Awesome Alexander Bjelke Tue 8/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 24, 1997 6:44 pm Subject: D:Solo - Week 11, Aug. 25, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This week of August 25, 1997 we would like to hear comments on: Christopher Franke - Night of the Running Man --------------------------------------------- Please make subject title 'D:Night of the Running Man'. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 24, 1997 7:48 pm Subject: Re: LYNNE / Dr. Awesome ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > I'll encourage those interested to buy 'the Void' which is really > greeaat :) > > Alexander > -- > - o URL, please ? -F From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Froese REs on Caroline? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (peter stoeferle) Hello, somebody mentioned Froese 'Stuntman' and 'Pinnacles' U.S. CD re-issues on the Caroline label a few months ago on this List. (Sorry, I don't remember who was it.) Could someone please tell me the catalogue numbers and also give me some information whether the other Froese solo CDs also have been re-released on Caroline or not? Thanks, Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6777 Re: Another mail-order TD distributor feldon@p... Mon 8/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 25, 1997 12:18 am Subject: Re: Another mail-order TD distributor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... www.cheap-cds.com Just ordered TD Ambience 1 & 2... (I've got all the TD). This message neither recommends or endorses this place. (But the prices aren't bad) They got Miramar brick and Dream Roots for less than $50 each. Tangents for about $60... Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 25, 1997 7:39 am Subject: Re: Another mail-order TD distributor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: feldon@p... > > www.cheap-cds.com > > Just ordered TD Ambience 1 & 2... (I've got all the TD). This message > neither recommends or endorses this place. (But the prices aren't bad) > They got Miramar brick and Dream Roots for less than $50 each. > Tangents for about $60... > > Morgan Corrections: 'The Brick' is $29.05 and 'Tangents' is $48.25 -- exclusive of tax (they're a California company.... grrr), shipping, and handling -- though they don't list either as being in stock. 'The Dream Roots Collection' is not listed. Gee. According to their stars, Klaus Schulze and Manuel Gottsching put out crap (*) and only a couple of TD even reach (***). I checked Pink Floyd to see what the tops is (*****). Glad to see I have such crummy taste in music. Think I'll check the Spice Girls. Aha! The Spice Girls get (*****) and most of Michael Jackson's albums get (****) or (*****). Well, I guess the 'masses' can't be wrong, eh? See what I mean, Jens? I think I'll go back to listening to my crap now. -- Mark NP: RMI 'Frozen North' (probably only (*) -- woops, RMI isn't listed!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6780 Re: Another mail-order TD distributor =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n Mon 8/25/1997 3 KB 6782 Re: Another mail-order TD distributor feldon@p... Mon 8/25/1997 4 KB 6796 Re: Another mail-order TD distributor Mark Filipak Tue 8/26/1997 3 KB 6805 Re: Another mail-order TD distributor FredYargui@a... Wed 8/27/1997 2 KB 6806 The Brick Dave Brewer Wed 8/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Digital Gothic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Peter Ravn Hello there Is the any that can update me about the discussion (if there has been any) about the book 'Digital Gothic : Critical Discography of Tangerine Dream' by Paul Stump. I have been 3 weeks off the list due to vacation. Mail me privately. Thanks- Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6781 Re: Digital Gothic Jim Moore Mon 8/25/1997 3 KB 6787 Re: Digital Gothic Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 8/26/1997 3 KB 6803 Re: Digital Gothic Jim Moore Tue 8/26/1997 4 KB 18790 Digital Gothic jonathan.teague@b... Tue 11/2/1999 1 KB 18793 Re: Digital Gothic craig.cordrey@xxxx.xxx Tue 11/2/1999 3 KB 18802 Re: Digital Gothic Craig Chambers Tue 11/2/1999 1 KB 18834 Re: Digital Gothic twosheds Wed 11/3/1999 2 KB 18849 Re: Digital Gothic Jared White Thu 11/4/1999 1 KB 28366 Re: Digital Gothic Dennis Nigbur Fri 8/10/2001 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 25, 1997 9:22 am Subject: RE: Another mail-order TD distributor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' Mark Filipak wrote: > Gee. According to their stars, Klaus Schulze and Manuel Gottsching put > out crap (*) and only a couple of TD even reach (***). I checked Pink > Floyd to see what the tops is (*****). Glad to see I have such crummy > taste in music. Think I'll check the Spice Girls. Aha! The Spice > Girls get (*****) and most of Michael Jackson's albums get (****) or > (*****). Well, I guess the 'masses' can't be wrong, eh? See what I > mean, Jens? > Well, Mark, «we music is music for people and it isn't music for robots» (Robert Fripp). José Ramón From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 25, 1997 3:11 pm Subject: RE: Digital Gothic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: Peter Ravn >Is the any that can update me about the discussion (if there has been > any) about the book 'Digital Gothic : Critical Discography of Tangerine > Dream' by Paul Stump. I found a copy of it at the Atlanta Tower Records and managed to finish it this weekend (there are extra copies if anyone wants me to pick one up) -- an interesting read... Stump is definitely a Baumann-period advocate. Half the book is dedicated to that era, and the rest of the book speeds right through the 80's and after. There's very little personal information about the members in the book aside from a few stories that you can find in other sources. A fascinating concept oft covered in the book is Edgar Froese's 'Protestant work ethic' and how it often brought him into conflict with other musicians in and out of Tangerine Dream. I can't testify to the accuracy of the profile, but it does explain a lot about the Dream's productivity. - jim 'This is the preachiest book I've ever read! Everyone's a sinner... Except for this one guy...' Homer Simpson on the Bible James F. Moore -- jimbo@v... -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA Jimbo's Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6787 Re: Digital Gothic Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 8/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 25, 1997 3:15 pm Subject: Re: Another mail-order TD distributor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 12:39 AM 8/25/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >> Really-From: feldon@p... >> >> www.cheap-cds.com >> > >Corrections: 'The Brick' is $29.05 and 'Tangents' is $48.25 -- exclusive >of tax (they're a California company.... grrr), shipping, and handling >-- though they don't list either as being in stock. 'The Dream Roots >Collection' is not listed. Ok, I knew my prices would be wrong... but that's not bad for prices... >Gee. According to their stars, Klaus Schulze and Manuel Gottsching put >out crap (*) and only a couple of TD even reach (***). I checked Pink >Floyd to see what the tops is (*****). Glad to see I have such crummy >taste in music. Think I'll check the Spice Girls. Aha! The Spice >Girls get (*****) and most of Michael Jackson's albums get (****) or >(*****). Hold on, look at the top of the column that those ratings are in. It says 'sales', not quality. I thought about this the moment I saw ratings and realized that the number of stars has to do with number of these CDs sold, compared to, say, Elvis CDs! >I think I'll go back to listening to my crap now. -- Mark Re-read it, Mark ;) I wouldn't recommend an anti-TD place. They got Stuntman and Aqua for $8.55 and Pinnacles for $10.85. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 25, 1997 4:17 pm Subject: Re: LYNNE / Dr. Awesome ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Alexander Bjelke At 21:48 24.08.97 +0200, you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > >tadream mailing list wrote: > >> >> I'll encourage those interested to buy 'the Void' which is really >> greeaat :) >> >> Alexander >> -- >> - o > > >URL, please ? > >-F The url for his homepage is www.team17.com/~blynne ********************************************************** Alexander Bjelke Email: abjelke@o... Jarre homepage: http://home.sn.no/~abjelke ********************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 25, 1997 4:50 pm Subject: Let us now praise Banco de Gaia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > If Edgar, Jerome, and Zlatko were stuck on a deserted island for 3 > months with only the equipment from the 1980-1983 tours... > would they produce: I have a new answer to this question. They might produce something that sounds a bit like Banco de Gaia's 'Big Men Cry'. I bought this album this weekend, and was especially floored by the last track, 'Starstation Earth'. This is obviously the product of someone heavily damaged by Force Majeure and Tangram. It's 20 minutes long, evolving from a ***very**** FM-like sequencer line into a drum-and-bass freakout. 'Celestine' is what Turn of the Tides could have been in another lifetime, using sax in a way that sounds nothing like Kenny G. Overall, imagine a Fruit Smoothie composed of Tangerine Dream, Orbital and Delerium. Highly recommended. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Blessed are the meek, for they make great scapegoats' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 25, 1997 5:58 pm Subject: Re: Bill Cosby ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean The Sorcerer film is about transporting nitro throught a perilous jungle route...Lots of dangerous cliffs and shaky bridges...I never saw Ghostdad becuase it looked too silly... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Aug 25, 1997 10:05 pm Subject: mysterious semblance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers Again, other priorities keep me from posting at length on this topic but I've been meaning to put a word in about Scott Plumer's book 'Mysterious Semblance; A Tangerine Dream Chronology.' I recently received this book from Scott (yes, I paid for the book so this is no-interest and unsolicited review and everything below is, as usual, IMOTO -- in my own twisted opinion). This will have to suffice as a short review. Scott's book, comprising 84 pages of text and spiral bound, contains plenty of basic information. For those of you with the big, thick, densely-packed-with-information 'Voices in the Dunes,' this book is somewhat different. For one, it's easy to pick up and to flip through! It can be read in one sitting and is quite reader friendly. It also includes historical information that is different from the material in VITD. For those of you who dislike 'Voices'' alphabetical arrangement you may find 'MS' chronological treatment to be much easier to access and use. The whole of the text is arranged according to year, beginning in 1944 (Edgar was born) and running to the near future ( 97 UK tour concert schedule). Yet, as Scott says in his introduction, 'Mysterious Semblance' was not meant as a replacement nor as competition for 'Voices' [p.1]. And that his primary market is TD tape collectors. Indeed, I think Scott has filled this niche admirably. As a 'Voices' user and tape collector, I've found 'MS' to be easy to use and informative. It sits on my shelf next to VITD and makes a great addition to my persistent efforts. I have only two small criticisms; one pertains primarily to Scott's book, the other pertains to Scott's book, VITD, and these sorts of books in general. First, I wish that Scott had included more tape times in his concert listings and more information about multiple sources. To be fair, I believe Scott was working primarily from the tapes he knew personally and did not want to copy information from 'Voices' nor include potentially erroneous information that he could not verify. Nevertheless, there are a number of collectors who could have helped him include tape times and multiple source information (many are listed in his acknowledgements. This would make the 1988 and beyond listings (where the VITD tape list really begins to fall apart) even more valuable. Still, this criticism considered, the book remains an excellent choice and is very useful for both serious collectors and 'beginning' fans. My second criticism for Scott and for all of these types of books is that of annotation. Eventually, academe will begin to take a more serious look at TD and its role in modern and post modern music, film, etc. When that happens, these sorts of texts will be read by scholars and have the potential of being great aids -- but not without annotation. Indeed, for others wishing to learn or to write further about TD, the initial sources should be the building blocks on which to continue (that is called 'contributing to the academic community'). Please, please, please, will those of you writing about TD, please annotate your sources! It also lends the weight of authority to your efforts. In the case of MS, Scott says he has scoured newspapers from the world over but I think it would be an even more substantial contribution had he annotated his comments with the dates, volume/issue numbers and page numbers of his sources. This makes the information verifiable, assists others in their efforts, and makes your own work infinitely more valuable. It is my understanding that Scott will continue to update and correct this text so that unlike VITD, it will be a text constantly improving and up-to-date. I hope that it is not to late or to problematic to incorporate some of these sources. In conclusion, I would urge list members to get this book. It is easy to use, informative, interesting, well-written and very helpful. Whether you just like TD's music or are a serious collector, 'Mysterious Semblance' is well worth the very small investment. lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6790 Re: mysterious semblance Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 8/26/1997 3 KB 6794 Re: mysterious semblance Lars R. Jones Tue 8/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 26, 1997 1:20 am Subject: RE: Digital Gothic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 11:11 AM 8/25/97 -0400, you wrote: > >I found a copy of it at the Atlanta Tower Records and managed to >finish it this weekend (there are extra copies if anyone wants me to >pick one up) -- an interesting read... [.....] Jim, I would like to take up on the offer, if you meant it. I ordered a copy from the publisher's American distributor in Boston. But after 6 weeks of waiting for it, I think that it ain't coming. And if I do get it, I will just pass the extra copy unto someone who wants it. I am sure there will be many takers. Any way you want me to pay for the cost and your trouble, it's agreeable to me. I am in Birmingham, Alabama, BTW. :-) Probably will be coming to Atlanta in the fall, since there are several concerts that I may want to attend, but I am sure most copies will be gone by then. TIA. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Why 10 mins. of heartbeat on RED SHIFT? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Howdy All, Received my copy of RED SHIFT from Windspell Music (Mike Garrison's mail order outfit) the other day and am in pig heaven. This is really good stuff, and it's fun to spot the specific swipes being made and how Shreeve actually puts the swipes to use. It's mostly 'Rubycon, Part II' and 'Phaedra' that provides the fodder for swiping, but I also detect stuff from RICOCHET -- particularly the guitar parts -- and either ALPHA CENTAURI or ATEM (I can't recall which). The final of the four tracks is mostly a Klaus Schulze rip from TIMEWIND, which lasts for 20 minutes, then there's 10 mins. (!?!) of the sound of a synthesized heartbeat, and then three minutes of what sounds like 'Nowhere Now Here' from Schulze's BODY LOVE. I've got three main questions about RED SHIFT: o Why doesn't Mark Shreeve's name appear anywhere in or on the packaging for this CD? o Why in the heck does the last track feature what amounts to ten minutes of silence? I mean, the playground voices in the background at the end of 'Phaedra' last only a couple of minutes, so why ten? o Why oh why isn't this CD more readily available, like, for instance, in the USA on an American label? RED SHIFT is really a great album -- better than anything Ozric Tentacles ever did, IMHO -- maybe even better than the Nightcrawlers' third album, SHADOWS OF LIGHT (*still* not on CD yet, dog done it!). Anyone here who thinks PHAEDRA, RUBYCON, and RICOCHET are TD at their best will love RED SHIFT. Right after playing it for the third time, I played LIVE! IMPROVISED! for the third time. I'm still not to keen on disc one, but the second disc sure was interesting after RED SHIFT! RED SHIFT: buy it! -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6791 Re: Why 10 mins. of heartbeat on RED SHIFT? Grant Middleton Tue 8/26/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Just Bought the 2-CD POLAND for $18.50 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Yessir, I just paid $18.50 plus tax for a used copy of POLAND, and then remembered that the copy of this double CD that I bought used four years ago had weird hissing noises on two tracks. I returned that CD and hope I don't have to do the same with this one -- considering that this CD in its 2-CD form is not too easy to come by these days. -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 26, 1997 1:33 am Subject: Re: mysterious semblance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 06:05 PM 8/25/97 -0400, you wrote: >Dreamers >Again, other priorities keep me from posting at length on this topic but >I've been meaning to put a word in about Scott Plumer's book 'Mysterious >Semblance; A Tangerine Dream Chronology.' I recently received this book >from Scott (yes, I paid for the book so this is no-interest and unsolicited >review and everything below is, as usual, IMOTO -- in my own twisted >opinion). This will have to suffice as a short review. [.......] I wonder what does it take to obtain a copy of Scott's book.....I guess I will just have to do a who search on the list membership...unless Scott (or Lars?) provides an e-mail address.... Scott, yoohoo.... Lars? :-( Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 26, 1997 8:58 am Subject: Re: Why 10 mins. of heartbeat on RED SHIFT? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > I've got three main questions about RED SHIFT: > > o Why doesn't Mark Shreeve's name appear anywhere in or on the > packaging for this CD? It's on the inside sleeve. My guess is that as Redshift is so different from his main output, he created the pseudonym so as not to confuse or mislead his 'normal' fans. I'd say he deserves credit for doing this. > o Why in the heck does the last track feature what amounts to ten > minutes of silence? I mean, the playground voices in the background > at the end of 'Phaedra' last only a couple of minutes, so why ten? It's one of these initially cute, but ultimately irritating tricks people pull on CD's. I suppose the idea is that you get absorbed by the heartbeat and start to drop off to sleep then s**t a brick when the 'kerrrraannnngggg' of synths comes in. There are a LOT of CD's which do the same trick, but use about 15 minutes of true silence before messing with your head. I just fade out when the heartbeats initially appear, with the result that the Pachelbel's Canon part goes unheard. > o Why oh why isn't this CD more readily available, like, for instance, > in the USA on an American label? Ask list member Ashok Prema (aprema@g...), who is in fact Champagne Lake Records. I suppose it's all very well for us (a VERY VERY limited number of people with a VERY VERY specific interest) to say 'Yeah, Redshift will sell bucketloads, why don't you print up 10,000 copies ?'. If you had to spend the money on printing and distribution, would YOU take the risk ? Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 26, 1997 11:43 am Subject: TD Bootleg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) Can anyone tell me anything about an LP I picked up on Saturday at a record fair, called 'The dremas are known to you' and claiming to be from a 1977 gig in Kansas City. I'm sure I've seen one of you guys mention it, but I've searched through my mails and can't find any reference. The cover claims 100 copies produced. Thanks, Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6795 Re: TD Bootleg Plumer, Scott Tue 8/26/1997 2 KB 6818 TD Bootleg Klaus Beschorner Wed 8/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 26, 1997 12:46 pm Subject: RED SHIFT again ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' If Red Shift is hard to find, and if there are enough people on this list wanting one, how about simply casting votes? If there is enough interest in obtaining this CD, perhaps Ashok will consider doing another batch for us? If it is all the same, he can count me in. I haven't got it yet, I don't know yet where to find it, but would like a copy. So there. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6797 Re: RED SHIFT again Mark Filipak Tue 8/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 26, 1997 12:48 pm Subject: Re: mysterious semblance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >I wonder what does it take to obtain a copy of Scott's book.....I >guess I will just have to do a who search on the list >membership...unless Scott (or Lars?) provides an e-mail >address.... Scott, yoohoo.... Lars? Scott is taking orders through an alternate e-mail address: dy709@c... hope this helps you get a copy lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 26, 1997 1:25 pm Subject: RE: TD Bootleg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >fair, called 'The dremas are known to you' and claiming to be from a 1977 >gig in Kansas City. I'm sure I've seen one of you guys mention it, but >I've searched through my mails and can't find any reference. The cover >claims 100 copies produced. Don't know about the boot specifically, but the Kansas City gig was scheduled for July 15, but was supposed to have been cancelled. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 26, 1997 1:00 pm Subject: Re: Another mail-order TD distributor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: feldon@p... > > At 12:39 AM 8/25/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > >> Really-From: feldon@p... > >> > >> www.cheap-cds.com > > > > ... The Spice Girls get (*****) and most of Michael Jackson's albums > > get (****) or (*****). > > Hold on, look at the top of the column that those ratings are in. It > says 'sales', not quality. I thought about this the moment I saw > ratings and realized that the number of stars has to do with number > of these CDs sold, compared to, say, Elvis CDs! > > > I think I'll go back to listening to my crap now. -- Mark > > Re-read it, Mark ;) I wouldn't recommend an anti-TD place. Sorry Morgan. I didn't mean to offend. I realized these stars are based on sales (hence my reference to 'the masses'), but nonetheless, the implication is clear. > They got Stuntman and Aqua for $8.55 and Pinnacles for $10.85. Can't be beat! -- Mark (Certainly, prices for 'the masses') Real headline: 'Sex Education Delayed, Teachers Request Training' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 26, 1997 1:33 pm Subject: Re: RED SHIFT again ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > ... I don't know yet where to find it, but would like a copy. Once again: http://www.webpage.com/progtron/ -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 26, 1997 2:00 pm Subject: RE: tadream-digest V16 #21 (REDSHIFT's 10 minutes of thumpa-thumpa-thumpa...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Shipley Steve sez.... I've got three main questions about RED SHIFT: o Why doesn't Mark Shreeve's name appear anywhere in or on the packaging for this CD? It's there. Look at the liner notes, where the credits are. It says 'Composed by Mark Shreeve'. But you are right, this is a very 'stealthy' release for Mr. Shreeve. o Why in the heck does the last track feature what amounts to ten minutes of silence? I mean, the playground voices in the background at the end of 'Phaedra' last only a couple of minutes, so why ten? Beats the living crap outta me. A minute or two may be fine, but TEN?!? Is there something so subtle going on there that I am just not getting? Maybe this is his way of providing us with a 'bonus' track (the last few minutes) without us having to sit through ten minutes of silence :-). o Why oh why isn't this CD more readily available, like, for instance, in the USA on an American label? 'Cuz US labels have NO VISION! If it doesn't have that 'commercial appeal' and it isn't the trend of the minute, US record companies avoid it like the plague! (Apologies to those small labels that do take a risk on this type of music. I had very high hopes for Sonic Images to release this type of music, but I don't anymore... :-( ). RED SHIFT is really a great album -- better than anything Ozric Tentacles ever did, IMHO -- maybe even better than the Nightcrawlers' third album, SHADOWS OF LIGHT (*still* not on CD yet, dog done it!). Whoa, this is a STRONG recommendation! Gonna change your .signature file? ;-) Anyone here who thinks PHAEDRA, RUBYCON, and RICOCHET are TD at their best will love RED SHIFT. Right after playing it for the third time, I played LIVE! IMPROVISED! for the third time. I'm still not to keen on disc one, but the second disc sure was interesting after RED SHIFT! RED SHIFT: buy it! Seconded! Craig Shipley -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Scott's Semblance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Roger Smith' I recently received Scott Plumer's new book entitled 'Mysterious Semblance. A Tangerine Dream Discography.' This spiral-bound and attractively organized reference source is intended, as the author states, to provide information primarily for tape collectors of Tangerine Dream. All of the live shows, with venues and dates, are listed chronologically - even those which were canceled. But the author also has included the following: 1. all the band's official releases, including compilations 2. all solo releases by Froese, Baumann, Franke, Schmoelling, Haslinger 3. film debuts and soundtrack releases 4. other relevant events What results is a comprehensive chronology of Tangerine Dream from their earliest musical roots to the current 1997 tours. This differs from other formats, such as the alphabetical listings in 'Voices in the Dunes,' which is an excellent, but hard-to-find source of detailed TD information. However, like 'Voices in the Dunes,' 'Mysterious Semblance' omits any critical analysis of TD's musical evolution, does not discuss their innovative contributions to modern electronic music, and leaves out explanation of what makes this band one of the greatest. For content material that puts TD into musical perspective, I would highly recommend 'An Introduction to Tangerine Dream' by Mark Filipak (filipak@k...). One feature of 'Mysterious Semblance' that I like very much is the inclusion of cover illustrations of the boots that derived from various concerts, which are inserted at the appropriate places in the chronology. Another useful feature that is hard to find anywhere else, is the inclusion of set lists, where available, at the beginning of each major tour. There are two appendices: one that lists all studio, live, compilation, soundtrack, and single albums in chronological order; another that lists all the 'members' of the band and their tenure. My copy is signed and numbered (#004) in red ink by the author. I obtained it by sending $15, plus $1 for postage, to: Scott Plumer 11825 Detroit Ave. #16 Lakewood, OH 44107 USA This book is well worth the price, and has added a much appreciated reference tool to my collection of Tangerine Dream materials. Roger From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 26, 1997 2:01 pm Subject: TD Video Dream Mixes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean www.cdnow.com has VHS copies of the following TD videos: Video Dream Mixes $21 US Canyon Dreams $15 US Three Phase $15 US MJ NP: Catch Me if You Can S/T From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 26, 1997 2:58 pm Subject: Re: mysterious semblance/rumpelstiltskin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-08-25 18:22:03 EDT, you write: << Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> < Scott's book, comprising 84 pages of text and spiral bound, contains plenty < of basic information. For those of you with the big, thick, < densely-packed-with-information 'Voices in the Dunes,' this book is < somewhat different. For one, it's easy to pick up and to flip through! It < can be read in one sitting and is quite reader friendly. It also includes < historical information that is different from the material in VITD. For < those of you who dislike 'Voices'' alphabetical arrangement you may find < 'MS' chronological treatment to be much easier to access and use. The < whole of the text is arranged according to year, beginning in 1944 (Edgar < was born) and running to the near future ( 97 UK tour concert schedule). < In conclusion, I would urge list members to get this book. It is easy to < use, informative, interesting, well-written and very helpful. Whether you < just like TD's music or are a serious collector, 'Mysterious Semblance' is < well worth the very small investment.>> I would like to second Lars' opinions on 'Mysterious Semblance'! It is indeed a very nice little project Scott Plumer has put together here...and extremely useful for any TD fan, or someone just getting into TD. A fun read, as well. I don't have 'Voices' so I can't compare them, but 'MS' seems like a good bet as the only reference source one would really ever need; especially for the price.:-) I ordered Scott's book and a copy of 'Rumpelstiltskin' from Lars at the same time; and both arrived at about the same time. I very much enjoyed reading 'MS' while listening to 'Rumpel'. Thanks guys for the excellent service! But why is 'Jessica Rabbit' talking over the first song? (just kidding) Actually, I was pleasantly surprised by this CD and I like it very much. And the story narrated by the talented Kathleen Turner with TD background is entertaining...and if you have little kids (like I do) it's an excellent way to introduce them to TD at a young age. (as if they they haven't heard it around the house since they were in the womb) :-) The rest of the CD is purely TD, and it is some of the best stuff they've done in recent years, IMO. Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 26, 1997 4:11 pm Subject: Voices in The Dunes & Sorcerer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves Hello All, Two points: 1. Sorcerer is about transporting old dynamite to an oil field, not nitroglycerine. The Nitro has settled in the dynamite though. 2. Voices In The Dunes is being updated. The process will take time as the book is also being redesigned. There will also be a decent band history now that we will have access to the TD archives for information and unpublished photos. We said the book would be overhauled after a few years and enough time has passed. As many of the original problems with the first edition that are known will be dealt with. CHEERS...Matt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 26, 1997 5:07 pm Subject: RE: Digital Gothic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >I would like to take up on the offer, if you meant it. I ordered >a copy from the publisher's American distributor in Boston. But >after 6 weeks of waiting for it, I think that it ain't coming. >And if I do get it, I will just pass the extra copy unto someone >who wants it. I am sure there will be many takers. I can get you a copy... The sticker price in in British Pounds, so I'll have to find my receipt to tell you how much it costs. In the meantime, if you receive the one you ordered, let me know. >Any way you want me to pay for the cost and your trouble, it's >agreeable to me. Besides the cost of the book, I'd only ask you to cover the shipping price (maybe about $1.00). I'll let you know when I find how much the book is in US$ >I am in Birmingham, Alabama, BTW. :-) Probably will be coming to >Atlanta in the fall, since there are several concerts that I may >want to attend, but I am sure most copies will be gone by then. Possibly... Can never tell with TD in Atlanta. I saw a copy of Poland sit in a store for a year, and couldn't find it when I actually went in to buy it (found it later, though). Here's hoping TD tours the South in '98! - jim 'This is the preachiest book I've ever read! Everyone's a sinner... Except for this one guy...' Homer Simpson on the Bible James F. Moore -- jimbo@v... -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA Jimbo's Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 26, 1997 6:32 pm Subject: change of address ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I've just sent a change-of-address message to those of you for whom I have an address in my 'file' -- if you don't get that message and need my new address -- or if you just want to swap something ;-) -- please e-mail me off list. thanks lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 26, 1997 10:56 pm Subject: Re : Re: Another mail-order TD distributor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Hello! Does anyone can tell me what 'the brick' is? 1 or several CD's? contents? Thanx for answering... Fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6806 The Brick Dave Brewer Wed 8/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 27, 1997 12:14 am Subject: The Brick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: FredYargui@a... > > Does anyone can tell me what 'the brick' is? 1 or several CD's? contents? > Yes! :-) 'The Brick' or 'Grammy Nominated Albums' or whatever it's officially called is a collection put together by Miramar containing 5 CD's TD put out with them. (Canyon Dreams, Rockoon, 220 Volt Live, Turn of the Tides, and Tyranny of Beauty) As far as I know, these albums are identical to the original releases. Also, this set is offered at a bargain price. (I've seen it for between $30-$40 most places) I think there's a poster offer as well. This is real good for someone who has none of these CD's already (like a couple of friends of mine), but not anyone else, really. Except for some TD addicts who just have to get everything put out, even if it means getting music they already have. :-) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 27, 1997 1:10 am Subject: franke chat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ken Alexander (This was probably announced here, but I missed it and didn't notice it until today.) There's an interview with Chris Franke if you goto http://www.omnimag.com/talk/bios/franke.html and click on 'enter chat room'. It happened last night; I think the logs only remain for a week or less. It helps if you increase the view size to 100 and reverse the order. He talks about soundtracks, new instruments, new projects, and new concerts. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 27, 1997 6:48 am Subject: Going off the Grid I will be on vacation from Aug 27 thru Sept 01 Important emails to forward to family members to rschulyler@p... There *might* be a chance I might get some email out from the Black Rock Desert To keep appraised of things going on set your browser to: Burning Man '97 PENFOLD: Postman Of The Playa Blue Light District Black Rock City, NV \ __ / o \\// )( ----^----------------- / \------------------- / \ ______________________________________________ /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 27, 1997 4:38 pm Subject: Red Shift and all that! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ashok prema OK Gang, The question of why we/I don't finance another pressing of Red shift. The reasons are simple - because I don't expect I'll get my money back on another batch. This is the problem all of us musicians have - EXPOSURE!!! or rather LACK OF !!! Out of the 400 or so members of this list, how many have actually supported us by purchasing our cd's?? Sadly, I'd say somewhere in the region of 5% - 10%. WE NEED YOUR HELP!! If you won't have the confidence to try out our stuff - what chance have we with record shops/distributors?? To try and make it easy for you lot I'm putting out a compilation album of various musicians namely: Andy Pickford, T-Bass, AirSculpture, RMI, John Dyson, Paul Ward, myself, Paul Lawler to name the definites - this will be sold at a 'you must buy' price of around 7.50 US Dollars - the idea is that you will get to hear tracks from -individuals who you might not know - and are not confident to try out - the tracks are virtually all exclusive to this album - tell me if this sort of thing will interest you lot - can I count on a 50% response from list members??? Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6810 Re: Red Shift and all that! ashok prema Wed 8/27/1997 4 KB 6811 Re: Red Shift and all that! Gaza Grand Master of Gazitsu Thu 8/28/1997 3 KB 6813 Re: Red Shift and all that! Dave Brewer Wed 8/27/1997 3 KB 6816 Re: Red Shift and all that! Marcel Engels Thu 8/28/1997 4 KB 6817 Re: Red Shift and all that! Jens Peschke Thu 8/28/1997 2 KB 6821 Re: Red Shift and all that! Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 8/28/1997 3 KB 7168 Re: Red Shift and all that! Anthony G. Francis, Jr. Fri 9/19/1997 3 KB 6823 Re: Red Shift and all that! Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 8/28/1997 4 KB 6825 Re: Red Shift and all that! John Christian Thu 8/28/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Red Shift and all that! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Roger Smith' OK Ash, I'll bite. Put me down for one of those compilation albums. I'm always eager to hear more contemporary music from the UK. Roger ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Red Shift and all that! Author: at Internet Date: 8/27/97 5:38 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ashok prema OK Gang, The question of why we/I don't finance another pressing of Red shift. The reasons are simple - because I don't expect I'll get my money back on another batch. This is the problem all of us musicians have - EXPOSURE!!! or rather LACK OF !!! Out of the 400 or so members of this list, how many have actually supported us by purchasing our cd's?? Sadly, I'd say somewhere in the region of 5% - 10%. WE NEED YOUR HELP!! If you won't have the confidence to try out our stuff - what chance have we with record shops/distributors?? To try and make it easy for you lot I'm putting out a compilation album of various musicians namely: Andy Pickford, T-Bass, AirSculpture, RMI, John Dyson, Paul Ward, myself, Paul Lawler to name the definites - this will be sold at a 'you must buy' price of around 7.50 US Dollars - the idea is that you will get to hear tracks from -individuals who you might not know - and are not confident to try out - the tracks are virtually all exclusive to this album - tell me if this sort of thing will interest you lot - can I count on a 50% response from list members??? Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 28, 1997 1:40 am Subject: Re: Red Shift and all that! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gaza Grand Master of Gazitsu > > - this will be sold at a 'you must buy' price of around 7.50 US > Dollars - the idea is that you will get to hear tracks from -individuals > who you might not know - and are not confident to try out - the tracks > are virtually all exclusive to this album - tell me if this sort of > thing will interest you lot - can I count on a 50% response from list > members??? > > Ash Count me in Gaza From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Chris Franke: soundtrack CDs for individual B5 episodes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Winston Edmond I just saw this mention of 'episode soundtracks' (presumably only certain episodes) on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.info. Chris Franke must have been busy! -WBE --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Aug 1997 00:11:58 -0700 From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644@c...> Subject: B5 Fanclub Merchandise I have the information a lot of folks have been asking for on the merchandise being put out by the B5 fan club. Orders can be sent to the Babylon 5 Fan Club, P.O. Box 856, North Hollywood, CA 91603. [...] SOUNDTRACKS Original sountrack, and 'Messages from Earth' available. Each selling for $14.95 members, $16.95 non-members. EPISODE SOUNDTRACKS Chris is now releasing soundtracks for each individual episode on its own special CD: 'A Late Delivery from Avalon,' 'Z'ha'dum,' 'Shadow Dancing,' 'Severed Dreams' and 'Walkabout.' $11.95 members, $13.95 non-members. [...] Members should include membership number on all orders. The Fan Club can do Visa and Mastercard as well as check, but be sure to include the expiration date, total amount to be billed, and daytime phone number. Shipping and handling: (blocked) $35.01-50 $8.50 [list reformatted to improve readability -WBE] $50.01-75 $10.50 $75.01-100 $12.95 Over $100 $15.50 For 2nd day air add $10, for Next Day Air add $15. We will have prices and info on international shipping soon. jms From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 27, 1997 6:30 pm Subject: Re: Red Shift and all that! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: ashok prema > > To try and make it easy for you lot I'm putting out a compilation album of > various musicians namely: > > Andy Pickford, T-Bass, AirSculpture, RMI, John Dyson, Paul Ward, myself, > Paul Lawler to name the definites > > - this will be sold at a 'you must buy' price of around 7.50 US > Dollars - the idea is that you will get to hear tracks from -individuals This definately interests me! These artists have been mentioned many a time here, and I've been kinda curious, but not couragious enough to actually buy an entire album from any of them. I have actually heard a handful of T-Bass, and really liked the music. I still plan on getting a copy of their CD, but I have a lack of funds that has been keeping me from buying much of anything lately. (due to purchasing a new synth, but that's another story... :-) ) So please Ash, keep us informed. I would definately like to check out this sampler when it's available. Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Tower Records Website: TANGENTS for US$58.99 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Doing a Metacrawler (http://www.metacrawler.com) search on Tangerine Dream today, I discovered a Tower Records site, and guess what? They have copies of TANGENTS for $58.99. Just thought you'd want to know. Tower's website offers CDs for mailorder that they deliver to your home address, so for those who want/need this boxed set, here it is at a decent price. :) -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6832 Re: Tower Records Website: TANGENTS for US$58.99 Antonio Nunes Fri 8/29/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: RED SHIFT and the American Market ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman I don't get it. Supposedly, the techno trendies claim to like the analog sound, and yet, (a) they haven't deified TD like they have done Kraftwerk, and (b) I don't see critics in the music press falling over themselves to say that REDSHIFT is the best ambient CD since FSOL's LIFE FORMS. Why might this be? Seeing as RED SHIFT really is the Long Lost TD Album That Never Was--from the Great Analog Days, no less--why hasn't any stateside indy label snapped it up? As usual, Cleopatra/Hypnotic comes to mind. Maybe what it'll take is for Ash to send a copy of the CD to the head of Cleopatra's PR department . . . along with a petition from this mailing list for them to release it here. (If Cleopatra has an e-mail address, we could inundate them with a slew of personal e-mail requests for them to pick up the album by way of sending themrabidly positive testimonials to the effect that RED SHIFT constitutes the single best Tangerine Dream homage/ripoff/tribute/etc. *ever* done by *anyone*, including Michael Hoenig's DEPARTURE FROM THE NORTHERN WASTELAND, the Nightcrawlers' SHADOWS OF LIGHT, Wavestar's MOONWIND, and Waveshape's SIGMA.) Hey, maybe they could market it as TANGERINE AMBIENCE III! ;) -- Steven Feldman and + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6820 Re: RED SHIFT and the American Market Ken Alexander Thu 8/28/1997 3 KB 6874 Re: RED SHIFT and the American Market Francisco Salgado C. Sun 8/31/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 27, 1997 6:37 pm Subject: Re: Red Shift and all that! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: ashok prema > > Out of the 400 or so members of this list, how many have actually supported > us by purchasing our cd's?? Sadly, I'd say somewhere in the region of 5% - > 10%. Hhmm, I'm still getting orders from this list. My experience is that a lot of people on this list actually support me by purchasing my CD. (btw I don't mean this message as a plug!!) Thank you all for that. But you're right. E-music doesn't sell in that huge numbers, unless you're name happens to be Jarre or Vangelis. > Andy Pickford, T-Bass, AirSculpture, RMI, John Dyson, Paul Ward, myself, > Paul Lawler to name the definites If you/people want I can give you one of the tracks (20 min) which I'm going to play at the Steve Roach/Vidna Obmana concert. Or miss it. Expect samples of it soon on my webpage. (ok, ok a little plug) > - this will be sold at a 'you must buy' price of around 7.50 US > Dollars - the idea is that you will get to hear tracks from -individuals > who you might not know - and are not confident to try out - the tracks > are virtually all exclusive to this album - tell me if this sort of > thing will interest you lot - can I count on a 50% response from list > members??? Very good initiative, Ash. I'm definitely interested in such a CD, although I know most of the music you mentioned. Little question? Is it going to be new tracks from the artists or 'released- already'. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 27, 1997 8:42 pm Subject: Re: Red Shift and all that! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > can I count on a 50% response from list > members??? > > Ash Yes, you can count on me ! Jens Peschke From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: TD Bootleg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >Can anyone tell me anything about an LP I picked up on Saturday at a >record fair, called 'The dremas are known to you' and claiming to be >from a 1977 gig in Kansas City. I'm sure I've seen one of you guys >mention it, but I've searched through my mails and can't find any >reference. The cover claims 100 copies produced. > >Thanks, Lawry I haven't heard of this one, but it sounds like it might be a repackaged,known bootleg. I'd be very interested to get a copy if anyone can pick one up. -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: more on the new B5 episode CDs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Winston Edmond In his OMNI chat session, Chris Franke talked about the new episode- specific B5 CDs. (For the transcript, go to http://www.omnimag.com/talk/bios/franke.html , follow the Chat Room hyperlink, go to the bottom of the page, set the #msgs to 50, and click on the Reverse Order hyperlink, and you should then have all 38 'messages' in proper order.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Franke wrote (on 97/8/25): Before I release the third Babylon 5 album, I happily can announce that as of next week, there will be five more titles available which I call episodic CDs. Released on demand by so many fans. Because I wanted just more music and they wanted particular episodes, so we will release records with about 30 minutes of sounds for a mid-line price and they are exactly in the order of being aired, like nothing added, nothing changed, and we started with shows like Za'ha'dum, Walkabout, Severed Dreams, Shadow Dancing, and others will follow. Those CDs are available at http://www.sonicimages.com and by mail order at (213) 650-4400 and they are about $12. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Previously, I quoted JMS as saying Babylon 5 fan club members would be able to order these for '$11.95 members, $13.95 non-members' plus shipping and handling, so non-fan-club members probably do better by buying direct from Sonic Images. -WBE From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 28, 1997 12:49 am Subject: Re: RED SHIFT and the American Market ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ken Alexander Steve Feldman proposes: > list for them to release it here. (If Cleopatra has an e-mail address, > we could inundate them with a slew of personal e-mail requests for them > to pick up the album by way of sending themrabidly positive testimonials > to the effect that RED SHIFT constitutes the single best Tangerine Dream > homage/ripoff/tribute/etc. *ever* done by *anyone*, including [...] http://www.hallucinet.com/cleopatra/cleopatra.html gives the email address as cleopatra@t... I think hypnotic@t... is the hypnotic sublabel. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 28, 1997 1:02 am Subject: Re: Red Shift and all that! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 05:38 PM 8/27/97 +0100, you wrote: [.....] > - this will be sold at a 'you must buy' price of around 7.50 US >Dollars - the idea is that you will get to hear tracks from -individuals >who you might not know - and are not confident to try out - the tracks >are virtually all exclusive to this album - tell me if this sort of >thing will interest you lot - can I count on a 50% response from list >members??? Ash, Count me in. Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7168 Re: Red Shift and all that! Anthony G. Francis, Jr. Fri 9/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: My Letter to Cleopatra & Hypnotic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Okay, so I gush like a fanboy. So what? I said what I thought needed to be said. Besides, this is my last three days on the net for now, so I think I spent my keyboarding time wisely. ;) -- Steven Feldman and + + + + + + + Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 22:35:24 EDT From: Steven Feldman Subject: Ever Hear of RED SHIFT? To: Cleopatra Records , Hypnotic Records Folks, Ever hear of RED SHIFT? It's a Mark Shreeve album released under the alias 'Red Shift' because of the music on the album being so far removed from everything else he's done. I am no Mark Shreeve fan, by the way. I *am*, however, a huge Tangerine Dream fan, and I'm writing to tell you two things: 1) this CD is the single-best Tangerine Dream tribute/homage/ripoff most TD fans have ever heard--and this includes Silva Screen's DREAM MUSIC 2, Hypnotic's TANGERINE AMBIENCE, Michael Hoenig's DEPARTURE FROM THE NORTHERN WASTELAND (a 1978 album), (the UK band) Wavestar's MOONWIND, and (the German band) Waveshape's SIGMA. 2) this CD, so far, is only available from a small British label named Champagne Lake. Why am I blithering on about this album? It is a highly successful effort to imitate the following analog synth albums: ALPHA CENTAURI (1971) -- by Tangerine Dream ATEM (1973) -- by Tangerine Dream TIMEWIND (1973) -- by Klaus Schulze PHAEDRA (1974) -- by Tangerine Dream RUBYCON (1975) -- by Tangerine Dream BODY LOVE (1977) -- by Klaus Schulze I have been a Tangerine Dream collector since 1981, and believe me, this is the Great Tangerine Dream Album That Never Was! The owner of the Champagne Lake label, Ashok Prema, has been a list subscriber to the internet Tangerine Dream mailing list for years and he's an electronic musician himself. Tangerine Dream fans have been bugging him to re-press RED SHIFT since it's getting hard-to-get, but he insists that the demand is too low since only fans of the 1970s Berlin scene seem to care about such stuff. Still, I do hear stuff about some techno fans really like the analog sound, and RED SHIFT not only delivers the analog sound, but the analog style, and the analog feel, too. You know full well how many ambient DJs use Tangerine Dream's RUBYCON and (Tangerine Dream founder) Edgar Froese's 1974 solo album, EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE, for radio shows. Well, RED SHIFT is almost in the league of those two albums! I'll shut up, now, and leave you with Ashok Prema's net address. Here it is: I'm losing my net access until further notice, so the only way you'll be hearing from me again any time soon is with my buying dollars once I spot a copy of TANGERINE AMBIENCE II in my local record buying area. Be good. 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The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: ashok prema > >Andy Pickford, T-Bass, AirSculpture, RMI, John Dyson, Paul Ward, myself, >Paul Lawler to name the definites > > - this will be sold at a 'you must buy' price of around 7.50 US >Dollars - the idea is that you will get to hear tracks from -individuals >who you might not know - and are not confident to try out - the tracks >are virtually all exclusive to this album - tell me if this sort of >thing will interest you lot - can I count on a 50% response from list >members??? Potentially stupid question coming up - are you 'related' to the SMD movement? I ask because a number of artists mentioned above appeared on the last SMD compilation CD. Would your CD contain different tracks? And how much would the CD cost UK subbers? ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6825 Re: Red Shift and all that! John Christian Thu 8/28/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 28, 1997 8:51 am Subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) >Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) > > >>Can anyone tell me anything about an LP I picked up on Saturday at a >>record fair, called 'The dremas are known to you' and claiming to be >>from a 1977 gig in Kansas City. I'm sure I've seen one of you guys >>mention it, but I've searched through my mails and can't find any >>reference. The cover claims 100 copies produced. >> >>Thanks, Lawry > >I haven't heard of this one, but it sounds like it might be a repackaged,known >bootleg. I'd be very interested to get a copy if anyone can pick one up. > >-klaus- For the benefit of others on the list, I've had a couple of discussions with Lars Jones and Chris Horn off-list, and it does appear as though this is a repackaged copy of the Detroit '77 gig (aka Emerald Beyond). Thanks for your help guys. Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6880 ashok prema Mon 9/1/1997 2 KB 7429 aliEn Sat 10/4/1997 2 KB 7918 Andy456 Mon 10/20/1997 2 KB 9175 p77ws1 Sun 11/30/1997 6 KB 9181 Re: matt knudson Sun 11/30/1997 3 KB 9184 Re: Michael Richard Sun 11/30/1997 3 KB 9429 ccjj77 Sat 12/13/1997 7 KB 9639 Hermes Guzman Wed 12/24/1997 3 KB 10241 Roy Burgess Sat 1/24/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 28, 1997 10:25 am Subject: Re: Red Shift and all that! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John Christian Previously on tadream, Craig Cordrey said: >Potentially stupid question coming up - are you 'related' to the SMD movement? >I ask because a number of artists mentioned above appeared on the last SMD >compilation CD. Would your CD contain different tracks? And how much would the >CD cost UK subbers? I know you're asking Ash, but it's a good excuse to delurk. There's no relationship between this and SMD, except that everyone in the UK EM world knows everyone else, or knows someone who does. Both Ash and SMD are just trying to promote EM in general, and UK EM in particular, so it's no surprise that the same names crop up in both. The only artists that could be said to have a relationship to SMD are the ones on the Neu Harmony label, which is currently (actively) ourselves and Asana. When SMD includes music by (say) RMI, or puts on a concert with them, it's both (as fans) to spread the word about a great band, and (as a business) to get you to buy their CDs from SMD or Neu Harmony. [In case anyone gets the wrong idea, the former is really what drives it, they need enough money flowing through to stay viable, but Dave would make more (some?) money working overtime or running a convinience store with his spare time]. Ash's CD is all new material. At least I know ours is...It's a short (for us - about 8-10 minutes IIRC) track called Krell Metal. I'd not expect any price reduction (even if Dave tried to negotiate, there's not a great deal of fat to trim) but if it's $7.50, the UK price ain't going to be bank breaking anyway. I'm sure Ash will give more details, but I know this is harder to put together than you might think and he's not saying things until he knows they are 100% guaranteed true. JC -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 28, 1997 1:09 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #23 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Richmond Ash wrote: > Out of the 400 or so members of this list, how many have actually > supported > us by purchasing our cd's?? Sadly, I'd say somewhere in the region > of 5% - > 10%. Keep in mind that while we're all TD (and EM) fans, not EVERYONE has unlimited funds. I'd love to have the cash to try everything I've heard recommended on this list. Tape trading is as close as I get these days. That's not free either, but it's a lot cheaper! I got Lars' Mark Shreeve compilation this way (more on that in another post.), so now I want Redshift too... > WE NEED YOUR HELP!! If you won't have the confidence to try out our > stuff > - - what chance have we with record shops/distributors?? > > To try and make it easy for you lot I'm putting out a compilation > album of > various musicians namely: > > Andy Pickford, T-Bass, AirSculpture, RMI, John Dyson, Paul Ward, > myself, > Paul Lawler to name the definites > > - this will be sold at a 'you must buy' price of around 7.50 US > > Dollars - the idea is that you will get to hear tracks from > -individuals > who you might not know - and are not confident to try out - the > tracks > are virtually all exclusive to this album - tell me if this sort > of > thing will interest you lot - can I count on a 50% response from > list > members??? > I like this idea a lot. Even I could probably scrape together that kind of change.Count me in! Tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6829 Re: Redshift and All That Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 8/29/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: ****ing Abbreviation Overkill Redux ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Ever hear of a bumper sticker that says 'eschew obfuscation'? I'd say that the following qualifies. (Was this post purposely opaque; intended only for in-the-know UK TD list subscribers?) >Subject: Re: Red Shift and all that! >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:25:05 +0100 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: John Christian > >Previously on tadream, Craig Cordrey said: > >>Potentially stupid question coming up - are you 'related' to the SMD >>movement? What is 'SMD'? >[. . .] When SMD includes music by (say) RMI, or puts on a concert >with them, it's both (as fans) to spread the word [. . .] What is 'RMI'?? >Ash's CD is all new material. At least I know ours is...It's a short >(for us - about 8-10 minutes IIRC) track called Krell Metal. What is IIRC'??? FYI, this DIY vers. of abbrev. wrds. must stop, IMHO. ;) :( :( Please give this obnoxious practice a rest. If you must abbreviate a word, at least spell it out the first time. This is good literary practice and an academic nicety -- if not good etiquette or netiquette. Thank you. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6828 Re: ****ing Abbreviation Overkill Redux John Christian Thu 8/28/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 28, 1997 2:46 pm Subject: Re: ****ing Abbreviation Overkill Redux ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John Christian Previously on tadream, Steven Feldman said: > Ever hear of a bumper sticker that says 'eschew obfuscation'? I'd >say that the following qualifies. (Was this post purposely opaque; >intended only for in-the-know UK TD list subscribers?) [...] > What is 'SMD'? [...] > What is 'RMI'?? [...] > What is IIRC'??? OK, two mitigating circumstances, one guilty as charged. SMD and RMI were both in the original post, so I didn't even think about them being abbrvs. SMD is 'Synth Music Direct'. It's a club set up by Dave Law (who also runs the Neu Harmony mail order outfit and record label). The deal is that you pay an annual fee and get magazines, free compliation CDs and discounts on mainline CDs. A bit like a book club. They've also put on a number of gigs at the Jodrell Bank Planetarium including AirSculpture, RMI, Redshift, Ian Boddy... (members get discounted tickets, and of course they actually hear about the things). More Information from http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uk RMI is 'Radio Massacre International'. Most people just use the initials (as with 'TD'). They are a UK band who were the canonical 'Mid 70s TD soundalikes' before Redshift came along. If you don't know them and hanker for the good old days, check them out (after AirSculpture, obviously). Best reference to their sound is 70s live recordings, especially London Albert Hall 75 (Coefficient of Aural Expansion). More Info: http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/%7Ensedley/rmi/ IIRC is standard geek speak. It stands for 'If I Recall Correctly'. By using it you save 17 bytes and then waste 10 times as much having to explain it. I'm in two minds about this kind of thing, what I really meant was 'I am stating this as a fact, but I don't think it's important enough to go and check it. Don't rely on it'. Between the lack of 'normal' cues, and the one-to-many communication, these indications seem neccesary, and not abbreviating them would just clutter the text even more. But the whole thing falls apart when one you think was common is not understood. And it's ugly, and geekish. Anyway, HTH ;) JC -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 28, 1997 4:15 pm Subject: Re: Redshift and All That ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: Tom Richmond > >Keep in mind that while we're all TD (and EM) fans, not EVERYONE has >unlimited funds. I'd love to have the cash to try everything I've heard >recommended on this list. And with our favourite group's rate of release about to soar in the first quarter of next year, we're all going to be strapped for dosh! >Tape trading is as close as I get these >days. That's not free either, but it's a lot cheaper! I got Lars' Mark >Shreeve compilation this way (more on that in another post.), so now I >want Redshift too... Indeed, tape trading is a lifeline in these situations. I'm perhaps luckier than most in that I have fellow list member and e-music fan Grant Middleton close by, so that we can listen to tapes which we have traded with others as well as those daring 'spur-of-the-moment' buys. In doing so, I have probably saved considerable money because, of course, I don't like all e-music. And, I'm afraid to say, of the list members music I have heard, I would only (and have only) purchase around 50% of it. To get access to more cheap/free e-music I'd also recommend joing Synth Music Direct - as part of the deal you get four free compilation CDs in the year, as well as lots of other goodies and freebies. ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 28, 1997 4:02 pm Subject: SMD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) I always wondered who the other members of SMD might be. I take it you guys are the ones responsible for the fact that every time I try to buy something that SMD highly recommend, it's sold out! :-) Anyway, it's nice to know the main UK EM producers are on the list. I know where to send my feedback! As a totally unbiased person (not affiliated to labels/bands etc) may I also add a recommendation for RMI and AirSculpture. If you haven't heard any of this yet, I urge you to do so. Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6841 Re: SMD Paul Nagle Fri 8/29/1997 3 KB 6845 Re: SMD Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 8/29/1997 3 KB 6847 Re: SMD Lawry Simm Fri 8/29/1997 2 KB 6848 Re: SMD Lawry Simm Fri 8/29/1997 3 KB 6850 Re: SMD Paul Nagle Fri 8/29/1997 3 KB 6851 Re: SMD Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 8/29/1997 3 KB 6854 Re: SMD Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 8/29/1997 4 KB 6864 Re: SMD Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 8/30/1997 4 KB 6860 Re: SMD Antonio Nunes Sat 8/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Best of the TD Clones: a New FAQ Entry? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: SMD >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:02:14 +0100 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) > >As a totally unbiased person (not affiliated to labels/bands etc) may I >also add a recommendation for RMI and AirSculpture. If you haven't >heard any of this yet, I urge you to do so. Hmmm... methinks it would be a good idea for someone to concoct a FAQ entry for this list which itemizes the TD clones, which are the 'best' ones, and which era of TD said clones pilfer from. I for one would appreciate this, since most of the clones are on import labels and I don't like to take wild shots in the dark at $25+ a whack. I did this once when I paid $27.00 for a copy of a Synco CD with a name like BIRTH IN A SUPERIOR SYSTEM or somesuch and have regretted it ever since I first played that CD. The two times that I wound up with *good* TD Clone music were the times I bought Peru's MOON and FSOL (the Future Sound of London's LIFE FORMS). My feelings about Waveshape's Sigma are mixed. I ended up really liking Ozric Tentacles a lot, but they are as much non-TD as they are TD clones. And everyone *knows* how much I love the Night- crawlers! ;) :) So, I guess this leaves me with Radio Massacre International and AirSculpture. Anyone care to cite exactly what type of TD these bands ape? Correspondences between specific songs and albums would be much appreciated. ;) I'm serious about adding such stuff to this list's FAQ. The bands and ventures in question that I figure would be worthy of mention in such a document would be: o AirSculpture o (Michael Hoenig's) DEPARTURE FROM THE NORTHERN WASTELAND o (Future Sound of London's) LIFEFORMS o (Silva Screen's) DREAM MUSIC 2 (soundtrack compilation) o (The Fantasy Merchants') THE KEEP o The Nightcrawlers o Ozric Tentacles o Peru o Radio Massacre International o (Mark Shreeve's) RED SHIFT o Synco o (Hypnotic Records') TANGERINE AMBIENCE (tribute) o (Hypnotic Records') TANGERINE AMBIENCE II (tribute) o Waveshape o Wavestar Any others that should be added to the list above? Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6837 Re: Best of the TD Clones: a New FAQ Entry? Jens Peschke Fri 8/29/1997 4 KB 6842 Re: Best of the TD Clones: a New FAQ Entry? Steven Feldman Fri 8/29/1997 4 KB 6843 Re: Best of the TD Clones: a New FAQ Entry? PhilPDX@a... Fri 8/29/1997 3 KB 6846 Re: Best of the TD Clones: a New FAQ Entry? Grant Middleton Fri 8/29/1997 5 KB 6859 Re: Best of the TD Clones: a New FAQ Entry? Marcel Engels Sat 8/30/1997 3 KB 6863 Re: Best of the TD Clones: a New FAQ Entry? FredYargui@a... Sat 8/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 28, 1997 7:22 pm Subject: re: Tower Records Website: TANGENTS for US$58.99 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes Steven Feldman wrote: > Doing a Metacrawler (http://www.metacrawler.com) search on Tangerine > Dream today, I discovered a Tower Records site, and guess what? They > have copies of TANGENTS for $58.99. Just thought you'd want to know. CD Universe (http://www.cduniverse.com/cgi-bin/cdubin.exe/lobby/) has Tangents for $48.19. _This_ is a decent price :-) Antonio Nunes 'One audio sample is better than a thousand words' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 28, 1997 5:45 pm Subject: RedShift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Ash wrote: > tell me if this sort of >thing will interest you lot - can I count on a 50% response from list >members??? > Count me in as well, Ash Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 28, 1997 11:30 am Subject: Schmoelling Zoo of Tranquility ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'neil vanlaten' Greetings, I'm accepting offers for the original Theta label Zoo of Tranquility CD in mint condition. Regards, Neil ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: I've got Tournado! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Alistair Hull Sorry if this post seems a bit of a gloat, or if it's already been mentioned, but I guess I'm one of the first list members to receive Tournado. I got it from Voiceprint Mail Order in the UK, who received 200 rpe-release copies of the Album. As I didn't get to see TD in Europe, and I'll be living 15 miles outide Manhattan in 2 weeks I won't be seeing the Uk tour either (deep depression). This is it for me, Edgar, Jerome and Zlatko at their live best. Buy it. Soon. Alistair From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 28, 1997 7:34 pm Subject: Re: Red Shift and all that! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: anunes@m... ashok prema (aprema@g...) wrote: > [...] >Out of the 400 or so members of this list, how many have actually > supported us by purchasing our cd's?? Sadly, I'd say somewhere in > the region of 5% - 10%. > [...] Well, since I am in the other 90 - 95% region, let me explain why I didn't buy Redshift so far. It's just because I didn't listened to a single note of this album till today. Having had many disappointments in the past, nowadays I only order CD's after listening to a few samples, and this includes recent TD! So, your idea of a sampler CD is welcome. Antonio Nunes 'One audio sample is better than a thousand words' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 28, 1997 8:57 pm Subject: Re: Best of the TD Clones: a New FAQ Entry? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > I'm serious about adding such stuff to this list's FAQ. > The bands and ventures in question that I figure would be worthy of > mention in such a document would be: > > o (Future Sound of London's) LIFEFORMS Huh ? I have this - but can´t see any link to TD > o Peru ? What I´ve heard was not like a TD clone. ? > > Any others that should be added to the list above? I would add: Experimental Audio Research (EAR) Beyond the pale (1992/1996) It´s like TD between 'Electronic Meditation' and 'Zeit' including a synthi VCS3. The famous CUE-catalogue (the dutch CUE records) says ;-) : ----- Dweller at the Treshold No Boundary Conditions If you like Tangerine Dream (Phaedra period) or Radio Massacre International. then you love this. Lots of analog stuff and sequencers. Foreign Spaces UFO Breakfast The old style of Tangerine Dream is back. Lambert Mirror of Motions Strong Tangerine Dream oriented. Optical Image (See also: Habes Tom) Interference Great arrangements with typical Tangerine Dream sounds. Treasure Point Lots of sequences. The style of Tangerine Dream in 1982. --- Unfortunely I haven´t heard any of these until yet but maybe others can comment on it. (f.e. Mark on Dweller at the Treshold). IMO CUE´s comments are serious: ---- Air Sculpture Impossible Geometries Like Tangerine Dream (middle till end 70's) with lots of sequences. Radio Massacre International Frozen North If you like early Tangerine Dream then this double CD is for you!. Pumping sequencers, Mellotron sounds and a Froese guitar. Republic The same style as Frozen North. Sequences, Mellotron... A great album for lovers of TD from the seventies. --- I have these CDs and can second what CUE says. ALL 3 ARE WORTH THE PRICE ! (for me as fan of TD 74-77) regards Jens BTW: The FAQ Entry is a good idea, Steven - but I like to hear several comments on each entry before it´s fixed. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 28, 1997 11:47 am Subject: Sampler cd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ashok prema Nice to hear this cd's appeals. The tracks will be exclusive stuff - though will probably appear on future releases of the artists. The UK price (Grant) will be around a fiver. As I said, the idea is to get as many people to hear the artists as possible - though I suspect that the cd will soon becomes a collector items in its own right - will keep you all informed - expect it around mid October. Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 28, 1997 8:23 pm Subject: Re : The Brick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Hello! Thanx for the mail! I may go to sleep now :-). Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 28, 1997 4:21 am Subject: Mysterious Semblence + Rumpelstiltskin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... Subj: Re: mysterious semblance/rumpelstiltskin Date: 08/26/97 To: tadream@c... In a message dated 97-08-25 18:22:03 EDT, you write: << Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> < Scott's book, comprising 84 pages of text and spiral bound, contains plenty < of basic information. For those of you with the big, thick, < densely-packed-with-information 'Voices in the Dunes,' this book is < somewhat different. For one, it's easy to pick up and to flip through! It < can be read in one sitting and is quite reader friendly. It also includes < historical information that is different from the material in VITD. For < those of you who dislike 'Voices'' alphabetical arrangement you may find < 'MS' chronological treatment to be much easier to access and use. The < whole of the text is arranged according to year, beginning in 1944 (Edgar < was born) and running to the near future ( 97 UK tour concert schedule). < In conclusion, I would urge list members to get this book. It is easy to < use, informative, interesting, well-written and very helpful. Whether you < just like TD's music or are a serious collector, 'Mysterious Semblance' is < well worth the very small investment.>> I would like to second Lars' opinions on 'Mysterious Semblance'! It is indeed a very nice project Scott Plumer has put together here...and extremely useful for any TD fan, or someone just getting into TD. A fun read, as well. I don't have 'Voices' so I can't compare them, but 'MS' seems like a good bet as the only reference source one would really ever need; especially for the price.:-) I ordered Scott's book and a copy of 'Rumpelstiltskin' from Lars at the same time; and both arrived at about the same time. I very much enjoyed reading 'MS' while listening to 'Rumpel'. Thanks guys for the excellent service! But why is 'Jessica Rabbit' talking over the first song? (just kidding) Actually, I was pleasantly surprised by this CD and I like it very much. The story narrated by the talented Kathleen Turner with TD background music is entertaining...and if you have little kids (like I do) it's an excellent way to introduce them to TD at a young age - and get them to go to bedtime (as if they they haven't heard it around the house since they were in the womb) :-) The rest of the CD is purely TD, and it is some of the best stuff they've done in recent years, IMO. Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 3:51 am Subject: Re: SMD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >As a totally unbiased person (not affiliated to labels/bands etc) may I >also add a recommendation for RMI and AirSculpture. If you haven't heard >any of this yet, I urge you to do so. Don't know if I count as unbiased but can I add a recommendation for Asana (Dave Barker). I believe his album 'Trikuti' to be the best thing from any UK artist in years and the best album I've heard for a very long time, perhaps since Mark Shreeve's 'Legion'. It's not been out of my CD player since I got it. Paul P.S. My new (live) album's out, available from SMD, if anyone's interested. It's not as good as Trikuti but worth a listen anyway.... 8-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6845 Re: SMD Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 8/29/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Best of the TD Clones: a New FAQ Entry? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Best of the TD Clones: a New FAQ Entry? >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:57:41 +0200 >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > >> o (Future Sound of London's) LIFEFORMS > >Huh ? I have this - but can=B4t see any link to TD Well, it's got over a dozen TD samples on it. ;) Seriously, though, its spaciness and some critics' claim of its being the 'TD of the 90s' are why I put this on the list. >> o Peru > >? What I=B4ve heard was not like a TD clone. ? Hmmm... It seemed to be to me. >Dweller at the Treshold > No Boundary Conditions > If you like Tangerine Dream (Phaedra period) or Radio Massacre > International. then you love this. Lots of analog stuff and > sequencers. I, too, really like this CD. It came out in the USA on the Eurock label. Used copies are around. That's how I got mine. I lent it to Lars but he never said much about it so I assume that he either was too busy to give it a good listen (he had just gotten RED SHIFT only days before) or else just plain didn't like what he heard. >BTW: The FAQ Entry is a good idea, Steven - [. . .] Thanks. >[. . .] but I like to hear several comments on each entry before it's >fixed. I agree entirely. -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 3:17 am Subject: Re: Best of the TD Clones: a New FAQ Entry? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-08-28 14:38:24 EDT, you write: << So, I guess this leaves me with Radio Massacre International and AirSculpture. Anyone care to cite exactly what type of TD these bands ape? >> RMI is definitely in the Baumann period - Frozen North, most of it, reminds me of the Phaedra/Rubycon/Ricochet period. Republic, on the other hand, has passages that sound straight off of Stratosfear or Encore. AirSculpture, to me, definitely sounds more Schmoelling-ish. Impossible Geometries reminds me, somewhat, of Tangram era TD. But I think AirSculpture does a great job of capturing the essence of TD-like music without 'ape-ing' them, as you put it. They have their own style - IMO, of course. Phil Derby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 3:19 am Subject: Re: Red Shift and all that! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-08-27 22:30:24 EDT, you write: << To try and make it easy for you lot I'm putting out a compilation album of various musicians namely: Andy Pickford, T-Bass, AirSculpture, RMI, John Dyson, Paul Ward, myself, Paul Lawler to name the definites - this will be sold at a 'you must buy' price of around 7.50 US Dollars - the idea is that you will get to hear tracks from -individuals who you might not know - and are not confident to try out - the tracks are virtually all exclusive to this album - tell me if this sort of thing will interest you lot - can I count on a 50% response from list members??? Ash >> I generally avoid compilations. I prefer to hear the artist's entire work, as it was meant to be heard in sequence with his/her/their other material. And I have been trying to pay real cash money for Red Shift, but Backroads was already out when I tried 2-3 months ago - so I bought Thomas Ronkin's Within; Distance instead. (pretty good, but I'd bet I'd like Redshift better, and would love the chance to find out!) Phil Derby P.S. There's a TON of music to choose from out there. I doubt there are many things on this list (outside of TD discs) that you'd get much more than that 10% share you mention. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6865 Re: Red Shift and all that! Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 8/30/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 5:25 am Subject: Re: SMD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 08:51 PM 8/28/97 GMT, Paul wrote: >P.S. My new (live) album's out, available from SMD, if anyone's >interested. It's not as good as Trikuti but worth a listen anyway.... >8-) > Unfortunately, Paul, Neu Harmony's Web page is an unmitigated disaster. It's utterly non-functional. All this talk about SMD whetted my appetite. What a disappointment. Have a cup'a with designer and let him know that frustrated fans go elsewhere to shop. They ought to keep ill-executed or unfinished ideas under the wraps. Sheeeesh.... However, I'm looking forward to hearing your new work. Regards, Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 9:10 am Subject: Re: Best of the TD Clones: a New FAQ Entry? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Hmmm... methinks it would be a good idea for someone to concoct a > FAQ entry for this list which itemizes the TD clones, which are the > 'best' ones, and which era of TD said clones pilfer from. I for one A couple of entries I'd make are :- Synco : Musically, these guys are pure Schmoelling-era. Melodic and structured. Sound-wise, they tend to rely too much on Yamaha FM synths, so they're great at doing big metallic clangs and tinkly or brassy leads. Unfortunately, you miss out on the washes and backdrops that TD did to perfection on White Eagle / Logos. Node : Musically and sound-wise, these guys occupy the earlier period of TD, say Zeit, Atem, Phaedra. Very deep space and spooky. They use REAL SYNTHS, including Moog and Emu modulars and a good old VCS3. Global Communication : Not TD-clones by any means, I'd place them more in the modern ambient category. I'd say they were the best of the bunch in that capacity. My reasons for including them here are based on their 'tribute' to LOART which appears on the album 76:14 - it is an almost perfect reconstruction of the TD classic. Free System Projekt : Very analogue sounding and occupying roughly the early period of TD, Atem / Phaedra. If you like your synths to have a bit of meat on them, check this out. Pete Namlook : I'm in two minds about including Petey Boy here, as his output is too prolific and diverse. One track almost justifies the mention, though - 'Trip IV' from Air II. Pure analogue and Mellotron heaven ! Roughly speaking, Encore period TD. That said, I've never heard anything like it from him again. T-Bass : T-Bass's sound is not textbook TD by any means - it's more of an amalgam of the best in melodic e-music. Now and then they make a track which for all the world sounds like '90s TD (only with better melodies, IMO). Paul Nagle : Again, Paul's sound is very much his own, but now and then out pops the TD influence. For the classic Mellotron/ analogue sound of the '70s, check out 'On Mercury's Wings' from 'Skyrider' and for the Schmoelling sound, check out 'Aurora' from the same CD. Air Sculpture : I haven't heard much from AS, but what I have heard is like TD live in the late '70s and early '80s. Much improvisation with lush backdrops and intricate sequencers. FSOL : Nope, sorry. I can't see any TD influence in here (samples notwithstanding). They are damn good, but they are more 'modern ambient'. They create wonderful sound collages, but they don't have the melodic sense of TD or the focus on purely 'created' sounds. Just thought I'd mention it to deter people from thinking that they're anything like TD. BTW, Dead Cities is nowhere near as good as Lifeforms. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 8:35 am Subject: RE:SMD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) On the subject of CUE records... did you see anything on Rob Essers who is on that label. His two albums (Raincolours and A Lizard's Walk) are both fantastic (IMHO). The reason I mention it is that SMD touted Raincolours as being like TD's output circa Underwater Sunlight. Another one for the (good idea) FAQ?! Lawry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 8:57 am Subject: RE:SMD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) Just to sing their praises some more, without SMD I would probably never have heard RMI, AirSculpture and Rob Essers. Furthermore, even releases from established artists such as PAUL HASLINGER - World Without Rules STEVE JOLLIFFE - Zanzi MARK SHREEVE - Collide would have been hard to get hold of. (Plus you have the added bonus of a review from EM fans rather than standard music press). It's good to have someone pushing/supporting EM in the UK. Without them, my EM CD collection would still consist only of TD and JMJ. A brief quote from SMD's last catalogue... AirSculpture's 'Attrition System' - Early 80's TD heaven! Sounds good to me. :-) Lawry Simm. (How many butt's can I kiss in one day! :-) ) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 2:37 pm Subject: Re: Red Shift and all that! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >Well, since I am in the other 90 - 95% region, let me explain why I didn't >buy Redshift so far. It's just because I didn't listened to a single note of Get a web site full of track samples and all your problems will be solved Ash. Maybe (fingers crossed). Makes me think though. I'm sure I've only sold CDs to a small proportion of the list too and there are plenty of samples on my site. This leads me to the conclusion that, er...... nope I can't think of one.... 8-) >'One audio sample is better than a thousand words' One word is better than a thousand audio samples. Paul www.softroom.demon.co.uk From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 2:37 pm Subject: Re: SMD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >Unfortunately, Paul, Neu Harmony's Web page is an unmitigated >disaster. It's utterly non-functional. All this talk about SMD Jeez, you're right. Don't know what happened, it used to be OK. You can mail David Law at david@n... though.... I'll copy this to the man.... Paul www.softroom.demon.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6851 Re: SMD Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 8/29/1997 3 KB 6854 Re: SMD Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 8/29/1997 4 KB 6864 Re: SMD Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 8/30/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 12:37 pm Subject: Re: SMD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 07:37 AM 8/29/97 GMT, Pau wrote: >>Unfortunately, Paul, Neu Harmony's Web page is an unmitigated >>disaster. It's utterly non-functional. All this talk about SMD >Jeez, you're right. Don't know what happened, it used to be OK. You >can mail David Law at david@n... though.... Done. I am pretty sure that SMD is a recent development, because I have accessed Nue Harmony's old site no more than 3 months ago. You, folks, need to be less circumspect with such (SMD) promising opportunities, otherwise many of us end up in the debtors' prison buying unworthy music from other sources. :-) Kind regards, Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6854 Re: SMD Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 8/29/1997 4 KB 6864 Re: SMD Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 8/30/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 28, 1997 3:30 pm Subject: Re: Tower Records Website ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dave Lane' Steven Feldman wrote: > I discovered a Tower Records site, and guess what? They > have copies of TANGENTS for $58.99. Good idea; they seem a bit pricey though. Here are a few more on-line sources: CD Universe [http://www.cduniverse.com] claims to have it for $48.19 CDNOW [http://www.cdnow.com] lists it for $54.77 Compact Disc Connection [http://www.cdconnection.com] says they have it for $52.72 E Music [http://www.emusic.com] lists it for $56.97 The only one I've ever used personally was CDNOW, and I've found them to be quite prompt. My favorite on-line place was Noteworthy, but they went out of business last fall. Too bad, I got a lot of my TD collection there. --Dave From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 12:53 pm Subject: D:Night of the Running Man ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I guess this Chris Franke soundtrack would be for Franke completist. I listened to it a few days ago, maybe the third time ever, and it really didn't do much for me. It consists of many short orchestral and some electronic tracks. A few of the tracks are clones from the Enchanting Nature/Pacific Coast Highway releases. A couple of tracks did catch my ear though, but I can't remember off hand which ones they were. And this about summarizes it, you can own it, play it, then forget all about it. I'll pass on giving this release a rating. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 2:06 pm Subject: Re: SMD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > >I am pretty sure that SMD is a recent development, because I have >accessed Nue Harmony's old site no more than 3 months ago. > Actually SMD has been around for a while - the old Neu Harmony site did have references to it, although it wasn't very useful. I'm hoping for great things from the SMD web-page although it does seem to be taking a while to get set up. However, to be fair, the last SMD magazine did indicat that the workload in general was getting extree, so I guess the guys are just getting bogged-down. >You, folks, need to be less circumspect with such (SMD) promising >opportunities, otherwise many of us end up in the debtors' prison >buying unworthy music from other sources. :-) Join SMD! It's cheap, there's lots of freebies, excellent access to a wide variety of titls, and it has a second-hand section which has had some goodies in the past. Is that clear enough for you all? 8-) ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6864 Re: SMD Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 8/30/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 1:45 pm Subject: Re: Red Shift and all that! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-08-27 22:30:24 EDT, you write: << This is the problem all of us musicians have - EXPOSURE!!! or rather LACK OF !!! >> Exactly, Ash! That's why you haven't heard any of my stuff yet...and I live in much less of a 'music mecca' than you do.:-) But I would love to help support you UK blokes (without spending the fortune I don't have), so count me in for the sampler CD. Regards, Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 2:33 pm Subject: RE: Bob Esser ;was RE:SMD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) > > > On the subject of CUE records... did you see anything on Rob Essers > who is on that label. His two albums (Raincolours and A Lizard's Walk) > are both fantastic (IMHO). Cue describes Essers 'A Lizard´s Walk' with 'More TD sequences and melodies.' Your comment about Essers music is the first one I ever noticed. > The reason I mention it is that SMD touted Raincolours as being like > TD's output circa Underwater Sunlight. Can you second this ? > Another one for the (good idea) FAQ?! Every comment on unknown stuff is welcome ! I don´t like to spend more money on stuff I only hear once or twice. I trust in the list members recommendations and was never disappointed (until yet) :-) That´s one of the reasons I really love this list :-) regards Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 3:34 pm Subject: D:Solo Jubilee Edition Question ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I am not sure how many people on this list have purchased Klaus Schulze's 25 CD set Jubilee Edition? I was considering on starting a discussion thread that would parallel the D:Solo since some consider this KS release THE release of the year. Any thoughts on this (or FOR or AGAINST) would be appreciated. Vic P.S. 23 more weeks of D:Solo to go. Edgar Froese coming up in about 4 weeks. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 3:50 pm Subject: RE:Rob Essers; was RE:SMD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >> Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) >> On the subject of CUE records... did you see anything on Rob Essers? >> who is on that label. His two albums (Raincolours and A Lizard's Walk) >> are both fantastic (IMHO). >> The reason I mention it is that SMD touted Raincolours as being like >> TD's output circa Underwater Sunlight. >Can you second this ? As a musician myself (don't worry, I'm not touting my own stuff yet!) I don't really like categorising people's work in this way. I know it would bother me if all people had to say about my stuff is that it sounds like this or it sounds like that (unless it's intentional of course). What I will say is that I bought the music because of SMD's comments and reviews, and I wasn't disappointed. The 'A Lizards Walk' cover notes Rob's e-mail address as rob_essers@i... so perhaps you could ask him what he thinks it sounds like! :-) (ps. I notice that there's a rob@i... on the mailing list. I wonder if this is one and the same.) Lawry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 6:45 pm Subject: Re: Best of the TD Clones: a New FAQ Entry? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: PhilPDX@a... > > In a message dated 97-08-28 14:38:24 EDT, you write: > > RMI is definitely in the Baumann period - Frozen North, most of it, reminds > me of the Phaedra/Rubycon/Ricochet period. Republic, on the other hand, has > passages that sound straight off of Stratosfear or Encore. I agree with Frozen North. This is a fantastic album. But Republic is, IMO, air to me. And definitely not comparable to Encore, Stratosfear. Strong melodies in Encore/Stratosfear. Almost no melodies/ solos in Republic. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 6:59 pm Subject: Re: SMD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes craig.cordrey@g... wrote: > Join SMD ! It's cheap, there's lots of freebies, excellent access > to a wide variety of titls, and it has a second-hand section which > has had some goodies in the past. Being also a Synth Music Direct member for almost 1 year now, I second Craig's words. And now I see why those second-hand goodies are always sold-out when I try to buy them ;-) Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 8:57 pm Subject: *AOR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dave Lane' John Christian wrote: >> What is IIRC'??? > IIRC is standard geek speak. It stands for 'If I Recall Correctly'. I've been a geek (somebody with 'Net access) since the early 80's, and I've never seen IIRC before AFAIK. TTFN, --Dave Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6868 Re: *AOR John Christian Sat 8/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 9:52 pm Subject: Ash's sampler CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Shipley Ash, This is a great idea and the price is right!! Skip lunch out a day or two and there's the funding! One thing would insure me buying it and that is previously unreleased material (I have just about everything from everyone mentioned or have it on my 'next purchase' list). So, will I be tempted to buy this CD or will I have to say 'Heard that one, that one, that one too; damn, only one new track!' (Still the price is right for even one or two unheard tracks...). Make 'em exclusive and this thing will sell... And why isn't all of this talk being re-directed to the moribund 'Golden Triangle' mailing list? The talk of Redshift and RMI would be well at home there and that list could sure use some traffic! Why don't y'all join it and bring the discussion over there??? obCDPlayer: Minimum Vital : E'Sprit d'Amor (man cannot live by e-music alone!) Craig Shipley craigs@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 10:56 pm Subject: Re : Best of the TD Clones: a New FAQ Entry? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... What about: LAMBERT APEIRON MARS LASAR HISHAM ?? Eh? Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 11:18 pm Subject: Re: SMD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 02:06 PM 8/29/97 +0000, Craig wrote: >Actually SMD has been around for a while - the old Neu Harmony site did have >references to it, although it wasn't very useful. I'm hoping for great things >from the SMD web-page although it does seem to be taking a while to get set up. >However, to be fair, the last SMD magazine did indicat that the workload in >general was getting extree, so I guess the guys are just getting bogged-down. > >>You, folks, need to be less circumspect with such (SMD) promising >>opportunities, otherwise many of us end up in the debtors' prison >>buying unworthy music from other sources. :-) > >Join SMD! It's cheap, there's lots of freebies, excellent access to a wide >variety of titls, and it has a second-hand section which has had some goodies >in the past. > >Is that clear enough for you all? 8-) Actually it was clear all along...however, the only way I knew to look for membership info was to access the Neu Harmony HomePage. That's when I got boggled down myself. I could NOT access any information about SMD or the means for becoming a member. Is there another way? Andrew >------------------------------------------------------------ >Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... >Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 >GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems >Simulation and Training Division >Donibristle, Fife, Scotland >------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 11:40 pm Subject: Re: Red Shift and all that! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 11:19 PM 8/28/97 -0400, Phil wrote: [........] > And I have been trying to pay real cash money for Red Shift, but Backroads >was already out when I tried 2-3 months ago - so I bought Thomas Ronkin's >Within; Distance instead. (pretty good, but I'd bet I'd like Redshift >better, and would love the chance to find out!) Phil, Here is Archie Patrerson's blurb from his catalog: MARK SHREEVE: COLLIDE (CD $18) MARK SHREEVE: RED SHIFT (CD $18) 'Since his recorded debut on a Mirage label cassette almost 15 years ago, Mark Shreeve has consistently made superb EM. COLLIDE is a Live recording that contains some of the most high powered synth rock you’ll ever hear. RED SHIFT on the other hand harkens back to the glory days or the analog space music era. Twisting, turning spirals of synth and pulsing beats abound.' My note: Give him a call. I am sure he will oblige. :-) You can order from the Web site, or 'If ordering by check or Money Order, send payment to the following address:' EUROCK P.O.B. 13718 Portland, Oregon 97213 USA Tel./Fax (503) 281-0247 Also, from Ranjit Padmanabhan's ProgTron Shreeve, Mark - Red Shift [UK/CD] $15.95 'To request additional information please use our Feedback Form or contact us at ' email: ranjit@n... USMail: Ranjit Padmanabhan, P O Box 10151, San Jose, CA 95157-1151 U S A 24-hour FAX: 1 408 867-3781 I hope this is useful. These would be good sources for the Americas, especially North Americans (Mexico, US, Canada). There are also many sources for Europeans. I assumed that you are in the States from your AOL address. Regards, Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 30, 1997 12:30 am Subject: Re: Red Shift and all that! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Carlos Alberto Martinez Salas' Hello all, and sorry for being repetitive. Ash: Please count on me. I enjoy all the electronic in the vein I think you play. I´ll read the further details. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 30, 1997 12:41 am Subject: moving /no td ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Hi y'all I am and will be moving over the next few days; if you send me a message and don't get a speedy reply, it's because I'm otherwise distracted so please be patient. all messages will be answered... thanks lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 10:59 pm Subject: Re: *AOR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John Christian Previously on tadream, Dave Lane said: >I've been a geek (somebody with 'Net access) since the early >80's, and I've never seen IIRC before AFAIK. YLSNED -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 29, 1997 10:08 pm Subject: Re: Schulze Jubilee Edition ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'vroom' Hi All...I have the Historic Edition on cd and need tape copies of the Silver and Jubilee editions!! Can anyone help? pleace email me if you can (i live in Missouri, USA). Thanks, Robert From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 30, 1997 8:37 am Subject: SMD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, Yep, it's Dave, still lurling at the back... For those interested in SMD : Synth Music Direct is a UK mail order company run by the Grand Poo-Baa himself, David Law. David also runs the Neu Harmony record label. SMD is really a 'club' with an annual membership fee of around 15 pounds sterling but you do get good quality synth music at reduced prices, a bi-monthly newsletter and four free compilation discs per year which represents good value for money. You can contact SMD via Dave's email account on : david@n... Snail mail : Synth Music Direct P.O. Box 46, Pudsey, West Yorkshire England LS28 5YA Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6875 Re: SMD Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 8/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: German Mail Orders ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) Hi all, here's an info and a question : milestone mailorder, Adlerhorst 17, D-22459 Hamburg, Fax +49-40-5515756 offer : TYRANNY OF BEAUTY, limited high-definition picture disc. Price : DM 32.95 'Zweitausendeins' offer a wide range of TD CDs, 'digitally remastered', for 13.90 each. Does anybody know if these are the 'Definitive Editions' ? -klaus- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6878 Dominion-November 1982 Unreleased MP3 feldon@p... Sun 8/31/1997 3 KB 6881 Re: Dominion-November 1982 Unreleased MP3 feldon@p... Sun 8/31/1997 4 KB 6883 Dominion MPEG3 File Now Online! feldon@p... Sun 8/31/1997 3 KB 6882 Re: Dominion-November 1982 Unreleased MP3 feldon@p... Sun 8/31/1997 3 KB 6890 Re: German Mail Orders Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Mon 9/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 30, 1997 1:07 pm Subject: SMD's web site ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John Christian Hi All, I'd like to apologise for sending people to the Neu Harmony/SMD web site. I didn't know what state it was in, last time I looked it was dull (i.e. mostly text) but usable. I just went in and the current one just plain doesn't work. I'll have a word with Dave about it. JC -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6876 Re: SMD's web site Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 8/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Aug 28, 1997 9:24 pm Subject: Re: Red Shift and all that! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Ash said about the CD compilation: Andy Pickford, T-Bass, AirSculpture, RMI, John Dyson, Paul Ward, myself, Paul Lawler to name the definites - this will be sold at a 'you must buy' price of around 7.50 US Dollars - the idea is that you will get to hear tracks from -individuals who you might not know - and are not confident to try out - the tracks are virtually all exclusive to this album - tell me if this sort of thing will interest you lot - can I count on a 50% response from list members??? Count on me, Ash. I'm definitely interested. -Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 30, 1997 3:34 pm Subject: Re: RED SHIFT and the American Market ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Seeing as RED SHIFT really is the Long Lost TD Album That Never > Was--from the Great Analog Days, no less--why hasn't any stateside indy > label snapped it up? As usual, Cleopatra/Hypnotic comes to mind. > Maybe what it'll take is for Ash to send a copy of the CD to the head of > Cleopatra's PR department . . . along with a petition from this mailing > list for them to release it here. Better send your requests to Sonic Images, the latest Shreeve album, Nocturne, is released by Christopher Franke's label. ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 30, 1997 6:02 pm Subject: Re: SMD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:37 AM 8/30/97 +0100, David Hughes wrote about SMD: >For those interested in SMD : Synth Music Direct is a UK mail order company >run by the Grand Poo-Baa himself, David Law. David also runs the Neu >Harmony record label. SMD is really a 'club' with an annual membership fee >of around 15 pounds sterling but you do get good quality synth music at >reduced prices, a bi-monthly newsletter and four free compilation discs per >year which represents good value for money. > >You can contact SMD via Dave's email account on : [.........] Thanks, David. That's very useful information. I already fired off an inquiry message to Mr. Law. Regards, Andrew > > david@n... > >Snail mail : > Synth Music Direct > P.O. Box 46, > Pudsey, > West Yorkshire > England LS28 5YA > >Cheers > David > >T-Bass UK : Electronic Music >T-Bass Design : Graphic Design >Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html >email : dhughes@g... > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 30, 1997 6:09 pm Subject: Re: SMD's web site ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 02:07 PM 8/30/97 +0100, John Christian wrote: [.....] >I'd like to apologise for sending people to the Neu Harmony/SMD web >site. I didn't know what state it was in, last time I looked it was >dull (i.e. mostly text) but usable. I just went in and the current one >just plain doesn't work. I'll have a word with Dave about it. Not at all, John. By mentioning it, you made (at least) me aware of the existence of SMD. That info was somehow buried, since I have accessed the Neu Harmony site several times over the last year or so, and never caught the reference to SMD. Must not have been presented effectively. As is, and with David Hughes gracious help, we now have both an e-mail and a snail-mail address to where to send our inquiries. Thanks to both of you. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 31, 1997 3:30 am Subject: Re: Let us now praise Banco de Gaia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-08-25 13:13:09 EDT, you write: << 'Celestine' is what Turn of the Tides could have been in another lifetime, using sax in a way that sounds nothing like Kenny G. >> the saxophonist is dick parry, better known as the man who brought u all those rifs from money and us and them by the floyd....however, i wouldnt make this ur intro intro into banco de gaia...id recommend 'last train to llahsa' as a starter...my 2 cents... tom w np: doors = live From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 31, 1997 5:45 am Subject: Dominion-November 1982 Unreleased MP3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... Live at the Dominion November 1982 Show Unreleased material 'Orange' now available as a compressed MPEG-3 (CD-quality) file. http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/orange.html This file is a 'Radio Edit'. It's 3:42 (1.7MB). I carefully edited down the loops a bit. People who have Logotypes or a fantape already have this material, but may want to check out my editing job... Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6881 Re: Dominion-November 1982 Unreleased MP3 feldon@p... Sun 8/31/1997 4 KB 6883 Dominion MPEG3 File Now Online! feldon@p... Sun 8/31/1997 3 KB 6882 Re: Dominion-November 1982 Unreleased MP3 feldon@p... Sun 8/31/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Neu Harmony no more ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >>Really-From: John Christian >>Hi All, >>I'd like to apologise for sending people to the Neu Harmony/SMD web >>site. I didn't know what state it was in, last time I looked it was >>dull (i.e. mostly text) but usable. I just went in and the current one >>just plain doesn't work. I'll have a word with Dave about it. Hello, I was a sometimes customer of Neu Harmony, but I just received a mailing from them that the Neu Harmony mail-order operation is no more and now all business is officially being done by SMD. Previously, Neu Harmony sold CDs to non-SMD members, but according to the latest mailing I got, Neu Harmony is no longer sending out CD lists and you have to become an SMD member to deal with them now. Too bad, I think, because joining SMD isn't too attractive to me, me being in the States--the L15 annual membership does get you a bunch of good stuff (a CD of your choice and 4 compilation CDs), but it requires you to buy two non-sale CDs per quarter (an expensive prospect when you factor in the airmail shipping, and even more so if you end up buying stuff just for the sake of having to buy it). If fairness, they also offer an L30 membership option that doesn't have the minimum purchase stipulation, but that strikes me as a lot of extra money just so you can have the privilege of buying from a company as you see fit. --John From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 31, 1997 4:58 pm Subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ashok prema The Princess is Dead. Long Live Diana, Princess of Wales. Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 31, 1997 5:28 pm Subject: Re: Dominion-November 1982 Unreleased MP3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... There has been some difficulty downloading and playing the Logotypes MP3 file. One problem was the filename. It's 'orange3.mp3', not 'Orange3.mp3'. MPEG-3 files get corrupted VERY easily and Netscape seems to have problems downloading them. I don't know what the best solution is, except as Antonio told me. When you 'Save Link As...' on the 'orange3.mp3' button, it is saved a bit corrupted. Apparantly, a clean version is found in the Cache directory. Hmm... Wierd bug. I've got Netscape 4.02 (it's about a week or so old) Antonio also asked me if the reason the file sounds muddy is because I may have recorded it at 22 kHz and upsampled it to 44kHz (which can actually make sound files worse). The version found in this MPEG-3 version is from a different recording (Logotypes, not the fantape), has received considerable editing, and was completely recorded, edited, saved, and compressed all at 44kHz, 16-bit, Mono. Morgan feldon@p... P.S. I did some lousy edits around 1:50-2:20, I still have the original recording and the Edit Decision List, I may re-do those edits with crossfades instead of cuts (about 5 of the edits are cross-fades now). I am *not* using SoundForge to edit, so it's non-destructive to the original file. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6883 Dominion MPEG3 File Now Online! feldon@p... Sun 8/31/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 31, 1997 5:36 pm Subject: Re: Dominion-November 1982 Unreleased MP3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... OH MY GOD! I just downloaded the MPEG-3 file of 'orange3.mp3' THis damn Netscape or FTP or whatever beat the crap out of the file!!! File is down for about an hour while I upload a fixed one... Please wait... I'm going to ZIP the file... Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 31, 1997 7:20 pm Subject: Dominion MPEG3 File Now Online! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... I have been forced by Netscape's bugs to upload the 'Orange3.mp3' file as a ZIP file. I have placed links throughout the page to download the necessary MPEG3 file for Win95 or Mac, as well as where to get an Unzip tool for Win95 or Mac. The 'Orange' MPEG-3 file is now zipped up and online at http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/orange.html This file will not be up forever. If you should have further problems, please inform me immediately. Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 31, 1997 9:10 pm Subject: Synergy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gary Davis Hello Friends: As fans of electronic music, I'm sure a number of you will find this information on Synergy to be pertinent. The Synergy album, Cords, is now available. It just came in a couple days ago and I had a couple very long nights getting all the pre-orders ready for shipment. You'll now find a soundbite up for Cords at . Also The Artist Shop is co-hosting with Talk City the online CD Release Party for this event to which you all are invited. The event will be this Wednesday, September 3 at 9 pm eastern time. Larry Fast will be the guest of honor and will be talking about the making of Cords as well as taking your questions. And I'm sure many of you will be curious to ask about such things as his recent concert activity with Wendy Carlos and the reformation of the band, Nektar. He will also be giving away an autographed copy of Cords sometime during the event. I'm especially pleased to be doing this in conjuction with Talk City who approached me about co-hosting some chats together. Not only can their IRC channels be accessed with IRC software, but they have a website interface so that those who don't have the right software can join the chat through their web browsers! I was easily able to access their irc server through my Netscape browser. But what really shocked me was that I was able to access their server through the less-than-acceptable AOL browser with absolutely no problem at all! I'm especially pleased with this as many of you on AOL have tried so hard to join Artist Shop chats in the past only to find it difficult to impossible to do so from AOL. Full details on how to access the chat can be found at . I hope to see you all there! Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad@a... SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12732 Synergy KRAUSENECKS Wed 4/8/1998 3 KB 12737 Re: Synergy Plumer, Scott Wed 4/8/1998 3 KB 12758 Re: Synergy Sean Montgomery Wed 4/8/1998 3 KB 12741 Re: Synergy Glenn Reinicke Wed 4/8/1998 3 KB 19295 Re: Synergy Gary Davis Sat 11/20/1999 2 KB 19312 Re: Synergy Glenn Reinicke Sun 11/21/1999 1 KB 19313 Re: Synergy Gustavo Jobim Mon 11/22/1999 2 KB 19328 Re: Synergy Gary Davis Mon 11/22/1999 2 KB 19333 Re: Synergy Glenn Reinicke Mon 11/22/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 31, 1997 9:21 pm Subject: Fragments ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' Hello, dreamers: On the bootleg Fragments the tracks Monolight, Zen Garden and Rubycon Reworked appear in live. From that concerts are? Thanks you very much. Regards. José Ramón From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 31, 1997 10:56 pm Subject: Re: Dominion MPEG3 File Now Online! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: feldon@p... > > > I have been forced by Netscape's bugs to upload the 'Orange3.mp3' file as a > ZIP file. I have placed links throughout the page to download the necessary > MPEG3 file for Win95 or Mac, as well as where to get an Unzip tool for > Win95 or Mac. Well, done Morgan :-) The next time you should test it more seriously ;-) JUST KIDDING. Cheers! Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6896 Re: Dominion MPEG3 File Now Online! Plumer, Scott Tue 9/2/1997 2 KB 6974 Re: Dominion MPEG3 File Now Online! Jim Moore Tue 9/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Aug 31, 1997 11:13 pm Subject: D:Solo Week 12 - Sep. 1, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This week we would like to hear comments on: Christopher Franke - The Celestine Prophecy ------------------------------------------- Please make subject 'D:The Celestine Prophecy' when replying. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 1, 1997 3:57 am Subject: Some New TD Stuff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek BTW, World War II started this day (Sep. 1, 1939), if you don't know... Here's some latest TD information I've discovered: 1. Turn of the Tides CD-5, US Miramar 09006-23041-2, 1997? Previously it was released by US Miramar as MPCD 2807 in 1994. I heard that this was released as a PROMO only originally, but I'm not sure what the differences are. This release looks identical to the original release (promo?) except that the title on the edge (spine) is 'taped' over with a new one. Also the old barcode has a new barcode sticker over it. 2. Recording called 'Zoning '87 (& Other Rehersals)'. This is a 30 track CD-R which contains around 21 minutes from the unreleased movie soundtrack from 1987, not the video soundtrack released in 1994. 3. And finally, I picked up 'Digital Gothic'. I haven't had a change to read it, but I did a quick glance. In the back there is a 'Solo Works' list which is much up to date and concise, but I did notice one funny error: Klaus' 25 CD Jubilee Edition on Manikin records was listed as 2 CDs on Moniker! Must have been in a hurry to get the book to press? Oh well. Keep Dreaming, Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6889 Re: Some New TD Stuff neil vanlaten Mon 9/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 1, 1997 7:10 am Subject: Re: Some New TD Stuff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'neil vanlaten' Vic writes: >Here's some latest TD information I've discovered: > >1. Turn of the Tides CD-5, US Miramar 09006-23041-2, 1997? > Previously it was released by US Miramar as MPCD 2807 in 1994. > I heard that this was released as a PROMO only originally, but > I'm not sure what the differences are. This release looks > identical to the original release (promo?) except that the title > on the edge (spine) is 'taped' over with a new one. Also the old > barcode has a new barcode sticker over it. I received the promo release and remember being disappointed since there were NO differences on the promo CD from the commercial release. Yes, even the catalogue numbers were the same! It came in a clear jewel case with no inserts or barcodes whatsoever. It did have a small blue sticker on the case edge but I do not recall the text. Someone else help me out, if not I'll clarify on Wednesday. Now the Tyranny of Beauty promo CD was different!! Neil ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 1, 1997 10:25 am Subject: Re: German Mail Orders ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) > > >'Zweitausendeins' offer a wide range of TD CDs, 'digitally remastered', >for 13.90 each. Does anybody know if these are the 'Definitive Editions' ? > Sorry, I can't answer the question Klaus. However, I think both the Castle re-editions and the Virgin ones have been digitally remastered. Whether they are the Definitve Edition or not would depend on the individual album, given that Virgin have used the name but Castle have not. ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Phaedream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Peter Ravn Hi Is there anybody who knows the bootleg 'Phaedream'? It should contains part of the 1975 Royal Albert Hall concert. Best regards, Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6892 Re: Phaedream Grant Middleton Tue 9/2/1997 3 KB 9829 Phaedream TangerineC Tue 1/6/1998 2 KB 9831 Re: Phaedream Jose Fernandez Garcia Wed 1/7/1998 3 KB 18122 Phaedream upnsm0ke Tue 9/28/1999 1 KB 24984 Phaedream tom george Sat 11/11/2000 3 KB 24986 Re: Phaedream Marcel Engels Sun 11/12/2000 2 KB 24992 Re: Phaedream tom george Sun 11/12/2000 2 KB 24994 Phaedream Klaus Beschorner Sun 11/12/2000 2 KB 24996 Anyone heard from Edom Yannick (CDR Project) Richard Ford Sun 11/12/2000 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 1, 1997 4:28 pm Subject: Re: Phaedream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Peter Ravn > > Is there anybody who knows the bootleg 'Phaedream'? I've not heard of this one personally. > It should contains part of the 1975 Royal Albert Hall concert. For the best recording of this concert, see the twin boots 'Coefficient of Aural Expansion Pt.s 1 & 2.' Pt 1 is far better to my mind. Sound quality excellent - even better than the BBC radio broadcast tape which has been doing the rounds for many years ! Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 1, 1997 5:58 pm Subject: Re: Dominion-November 1982 Unreleased MP3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes feldon@p... wrote: >MPEG-3 files get corrupted VERY easily and Netscape seems to have problems >downloading them. I don't know what the best solution is, except as Antonio >told me. When you 'Save Link As...' on the 'orange3.mp3' button, it is >saved a bit corrupted. Apparantly, a clean version is found in the Cache >directory. Hmm... Wierd bug. I've got Netscape 4.02 (it's about a week or >so old) You mean, Netscape 4 has the same bug as Netscape 3? Then, it's not a bug, it's a feature! (sorry the non-TD content, but I couldn't resist) Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 2, 1997 3:28 am Subject: D: I|I|I|I|I|I 'The Celestine Prophecy' I|I|I|I|I|I ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... Celestine Prophecy September 1, 1997 Chris Franke 'Celestine Prophecy' Published 1996 Purchased 1996 Sonic Images/Priority Records P2 50571 Sappy or not, Franke has put his heart into this one. All in all a very nice concept effort, and, if you pretend you don't understand English, even the vocals are well done. If, on the other hand, you listen to the words you might get a sensation similar to motion sickness. The lyrical qualities of the music are excellent. I am tempted, more than tempted, to suggest that Franke would have to be a superman to put all this together by himself. But the music does have great continuity and spirituality. There have been touches of this in Franke's music before, but not nearly to this extent. It is like he was waiting for just this opportunity to let himself go. He obviously has a great investment in the philosophy of the book, but it is never really overdone to the point of some other spiritual works I can think of. One might be tempted to point to the Olympic High Jump records of Vangelis in comparison to the power and majesty communicated here, and, although Franke would only be a Silver or Bronze Medal contender, it is surely worthy of praise and esteem, none-the-less. In saying this, though, I have the unhappy feeling I have just lessened the praise here, just by mentioning the greatest master of the genre in the same sentence. Be-that-as-it-may, I cannot think of another Franke work it would use to make the comparison. The question comes, however, 'Is this electronic music, or is it music with some electronics thrown in?' Personally I would nail the answer on the latter, rather than the former. Therefore, Franke begins to emerge into the composer/arranger quadrant, rather than fulfilling his destiny in the keyboard/synthesist area. This unfortunately does not bode well for the myriad of EM fans on this list. I, myself, take a much harder look at Franke releases now than I would have done five years ago. Completist aspirations are now out of the question. Interestingly, I would also say that I am glad that I made the mistake of purchasing this one. It is definitely a 'Dark Horse' entry into the EM arena, but that really doesn't make it any the less an enjoyable excursion. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 2, 1997 1:55 pm Subject: VHS Video Dream Mixes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Well, it really does exist...I received mine this weekend, but I haven't had the chance to view it in its entirety...So far it seem very much like a personal video collage of various travel experience of TD... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 2, 1997 2:33 pm Subject: RE: Dominion MPEG3 File Now Online! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I have been forced by Netscape's bugs to upload the 'Orange3.mp3' file as a When I downloaded it I got a polka by Lenny Gomolka! Oh wait, I was on polkanet by mistake. :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 2, 1997 5:36 pm Subject: Noise in 'Ages', and a WARNING ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes Did anyone notice a short noise in track 3 (Tropic of Capricorn) of the 'incomplete' CD Ages? At 12:36 there's a short noise, as if a potentiometer or another device with a bad contact was switched. I hear this noise only in the left channel. Is it also present in the LP? And now, the WARNING! Unfortunately I will always associate this CD to a much worse thing than the aforementioned noise. To make things short, I ordered this CD via internet with payment by VISA, and my credit card was charged an amount 100 times higher than the correct purchase amount! Apparently the mistake was commited by Visa and not by the music store, so I will not reveal the name of the store. But my advice to all of you is, when you order CD's via internet or by mail order with payment by credit card, always ask for an invoice or a receipt or even the VISA ticket, and keep it in a safe place! Unfortunately a few music stores just send the CD's and no receipt at all. Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 2, 1997 9:44 pm Subject: Castle remasters and Definitive Edition ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dr. George D. Choksy' Hoi DreamState. Craig Cordrey and Klaus Beschorner recently mused about TD remasters: K> 'Zweitausendeins' offer a wide range of TD CDs, 'digitally K> remastered', for 13.90 each. Does anybody know if these are the K> 'Definitive Editions' ? C> I think both the Castle re-editions and the Virgin ones have been C> digitally remastered. Whether they are the Definitve Edition or not C> would depend on the individual album, given that Virgin have used the C> name but Castle have not. I have three Castle remasters: Live Miles, Underwater Sunlight, and Tyger. Regardless of what name Castle uses for their remastering system, it is stunning. The sound quality is superb, every bit as good as the Virgin system called Definitive Edition. George Choksy@A... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 2, 1997 10:20 pm Subject: Re: Poll results so far... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: Ryan Smith (08/09/1997) > > > Wow, you guys are sending in data faster than I can sort it. I have 40 > responses at present and here's the info I can glean from it thus far: [...] Did I miss the final results ? Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 2, 1997 10:56 pm Subject: D:The Celestine Prophecy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... The celestine prophecy Very cool album Very melodic I like it very much It changes from orchestral riffs we are used to Good CF album Fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6905 D:The Celestine Prophecy neil vanlaten Wed 9/3/1997 2 KB 6914 Re: D:The Celestine Prophecy PNaunton@a... Fri 9/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 3, 1997 1:43 am Subject: Tangerine Dream - A'dam Eve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer Hi everyone! :-) I recently received my copy of the numbered limited edition 2 CDR set A'dam Eve, which is an audience recording of the April 20th 1997 show in Amsterdam. Both discs are packed full of more than 70 minutes of music each, so most of the show is here, including encores. (but missing the drum solo at the beginning of the second set :-( ) Since the set was made from an audience tape, the sound quality is not that great, but still listenable. It sounds like the venue was smaller and had decent acoustics, since the sound is not boomy and echo-y. That helps quite a bit. The performance was great, and I was glad to hear Zlatko jamming with the Dream again. Some of the stuff Emil was doing was pretty good as well, tho a lot of it was sorta tacked-on. I look forward to hearing what he'll do on the next studio album, when he'll be a full-fledged member. Also, I look forward to hearing the Oasis soundtrack, after hearing Waterborne and Flashflood on this set. It was neat to hear a lot of the old favorites in the Vintage set, and some of the things they did with the more recent material on the Modern set. One good thing about the set is that the tracks are actually broken down on the discs. I know that's not a big deal when listening to live TD, but the lack of such on the Spherical Harmonics CDs really annoys me. Also, the artwork is really good. It's robust like an official release, not just a little one-sided insert in the front of the case with some scribbling and maybe a picture. There's even artwork on the discs themselves, and full liner notes with track listings, concert date and venue info and a list of the performers. Unfortunately, it seems the taper had to flip the tape during Stratosfear 1995 and again during Lamb with Radar Eyes, since those tracks are split. But at least the editing was good, so before I had time to get annoyed, the music was back again. (but please, next time use a longer tape! :-) ) Also, I wish that there wasn't as much yakking in some spots on the recording. (it's all part of the ambience, I know :-) ) At least it wasn't in English, so it was easier for me to tune it out. All in all, a very good package. It makes me feel like I'm at the concert. And believe it or not, I've also got Tournado (and Oasis) on order from the good folks at Horizon Music. So all of that hoo-haw about boots taking sales away from legitimate releases is wrong in this case. :-) :-) :-) Dave Brewer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6902 Re: Tangerine Dream - A'dam Eve Gabe Yedid Wed 9/3/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 3, 1997 3:36 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream - A'dam Eve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid From whom can one obtain a copy of this set, and at what price? Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 3, 1997 9:18 am Subject: TD radio airplay at Burning Man ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Pete I'm back from the Black Rock Desert's Hualapai Playa, site of 1997's Burning Man Festival. Contrary to whatever distortion the media provides, this place rocks. This place is so cool, it's beyond cool. But then my camp was within the Blue Light District, just look for the 15' rocking horse. Seeing the lamentable threads of the lack of TD airplay on the radio, I decided to alter the balance. Burning Man is home to a number of pirate radio stations. Radio Free Burning Man (99.5 FM) being the most visible and having an actual shack for the studio. Frequency Publica (91.5 FM) afforded a better opportunity to play requests (the policy was to have an open mike for virtually anything within decency limits (which stretches quite far in Black Rock City). Actually it was far better because for a stint after midnight for *three* nights, 'Pete the Dreamhead' did *nothing* but broadcast Tangerine Dream. The response was so favourable the first night, the DJs & volunteer DJ's were told to 'Let the Tangerine Dream guy on when he shows up.' so what if the 'studio' consisted of the equipment stacked up inside a metal trunk and right out in the open chill ~40 degrees @ night, I got to broadcast TD! When I go next year (i certainly hope) I'm bringing more TD albums. Many thanks go to Peter Kranz (moebius@r...) a fellow member of the Burning Man Mailing List and member of Frequency Publica camp for allowing me to broadcast. Also the alternative Black Rock City newspaper _Piss_Clear_ had a sidebar list of 'Bands we'd like to see play BM' which included TD & Ozric Tentacles. And in all fairness a list of 'Bands we'd like to see at Burning Man, but only if they played in the middle of the playa with no shelter or water for three days straight' which included Spice Girls, John Tesh and of course Yanni. Keep Dreaming Pete PENFOLD: Postman of the Playa Blue Light District Black Rock City, NV Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6904 How to contact SMD Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 9/3/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 3, 1997 1:19 pm Subject: How to contact SMD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' In reply to my complaint about the status of the SMD WebPage, David Law kindly replied with the suggestion that those interested contcat him directly at: . Our 'exchange' is as follows: >From: David Law >Subject: Re: Neu Harmony's Web page >>In message <3.0.3.32.19970829072841.006b8bc8@p...>, >>'Andrew J. Rozsa' writes >>David, >> >>As you are aware, there are several hundred members on the >>Tangerine Dream discussion list (Tadream). Recently, there has >>been quite a bit of discussion about SMD and its contribution to >>e-music availability. >> >>Imagine, If you will, my chagrin at the disastrous Web page Neu >>Harmony is sporting as of last night. There I was, merrily flying >>across the electronic waves to what I thought to be e-music >>heaven, only to be met by a totally dysfunctional and unusable site. >> >>Since SMD seems to be a recent development (at least to my mind), >>it would have very timely for many of us who have not known about >>SMD to learn about it and, I am sure, for many of us to join the >>membership. As is, our attempts were certainly thwarted. >> >>May I suggest that you post a huge 'UNDER VERY HEAVY >>CONSTRUCTION' sign, instead of that disaster that is displayed now? >> >>And, when ready to public consumption, drop us all a note (or >>just have Paul Nagle do it for you), to Tadream. >> >>Looking forward to learning about SMD and spending my money with >Neu Harmony. :-) >> >>Kind regards, >> >>Andrew >> >Dear Andrew, >Thanks very much for attempting to find out more about SMD! As for the >web page, oh dear. SMD started as Neu Harmony about six years ago and >has been going from strength to strength ever since. Unfortunately non >of us in SMD land know much about web pages but it seemed to be a good >idea to have one, we therefore attempted to construct one, it was awful! >Recently a customer who sounded to a non computer bod like me that he >knew what he was talking about said he could make it very user friendly, >put the hundreds of reviews we have on it and make it look good. The >result is the disaster we know see. I personaly wouldn't have the >slightest idea how to put an 'under construction sign on it' or even >close it down. >In the interim period where this 'friend of SMD' either gets the web >sight looking OK or we find someone affordable that can do it for us we >will just have to resort to that old fashioned stuff called paper. If >you email me with your snailmail address I will be only too happy to >send you our latest newsletter / catalogue plus info on how to join. >If you can inform other people in Tadream land the situation and tell >them that if they email me their snailmail address I will send them a >catalogue and if they ask for it and say they heard about us through >Tadream, a FREE compilation CD. >Cheers! >-- >David Law From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 3, 1997 3:16 pm Subject: D:The Celestine Prophecy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'neil vanlaten' Maybe I should listen to this album. Guess I've been a bit turned off by all his orchestral stuff. Wish he would do more albums like London Concert and Klemania. Neil ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 3, 1997 3:58 pm Subject: D: Celestine Prophecy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' A bit new-agey for my tastes, I still rather like this one. I didn't buy, but borrowed it from the library and taped it. (Sorry Chris!) I've read a bit of the book, and the soundtrack is far better. One thing I did notice about the soundtrack is that track 5 (forget the title) has bits of 'Mojave Plan' in it. Anyone else notice this? Scott E. Plumer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 3, 1997 5:39 pm Subject: Dallas, TX ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Todd W Olson Anyone know of any primo music stores in the Dallas area? I'm on a business trip this week and will be free this weekend to explore or paint the town or ... -Todd Biochemist at large From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Age Poll, result so far. . .? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Roger Smith' Yo Ryan Smith, The results of your Age Poll so far (8/8/97) were quite informative and revealing. The compilations and inferred conclusions as to our evolution as fans and our reactions to the spread of Tangerine Dream's influence are remarkable to me. I would like to encourage you to complete this interesting thread; it could prove a valuable source of inspiration to us list members and perhaps to our favorite musicians. Can you give us a final compilation and analysis of respondant's preferences? Roger PS: (As one of the older respondants (48), I'm pleased to learn that younger listeners have a similar appreciation for the accomplishments of the classical electronic music composers of my generation.) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 4, 1997 12:42 pm Subject: TD updates ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Ramachandran R.V.' Dear fellow TD friends, I recently returned from Singapore and was quite astonished to pick up two obscure TD CD's namely Mystery tracks vol 1 and vol 2. I think there are bootlegs since the quality on vol 2, on tracks like Barull blue, Chimes and chaines, haunted heights, Oszillator planet concert are lifted from LP's as did the Heartbreakers soundtrack. Any comments please ? also does anyone know the period from which the tracks Baryll, Chimes and haunted come from ? In addition a few surprises came from USA. The soundtrack of THE MAN INSIDE on CD-R and the most obscure RUMPELSTILTSKIN an original came courtesy from Alan Cox of Colorado. The best surprise was TANGENTS a 5 CD set from a mail order shop called CD now. The best part was the price Singapore around....$ 99.00. The conversion from USA to Sing..... 1 US $ = 1.45 SING. TANGENTS is great except the mixing on some tracks is totally screwed up thanks to EDGAR..........??? Don't miss Silver Scale on CD-5 a brilliant track composed by Froese / Franke. My TD collection now soars to 55 CD's. I also have the rare HEARTBREAKERS and FLASHPOINT CD in original not CD-R. Now presently compiling some great music from laserdiscs like the Keep, Risky Business, Rainbow drive etc on a CD-R. There are lot of small bits which are great in the movie KEEP which have never been released in good quality ! A challenging task indeed will post the tracks on the net when ready ? Bye Folks, RAJ RAJAMANI From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Oh, You Lucky People ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi There, Just a quick note to say that I'm back online. [I'm trying to get a copy of DIGITAL GOTHIC, but one area store (Waterstone's) has had their shipments delayed, while Tower is playing games with my head: one flunky says that the book is in their computer system but that there aren't any copies, then another flunky says that the two that they had have sold and that the store has no intention to re-order . . . and they have about 20 (!) copies of a photo-book on Prodigy on prominent display there! Arrrggghhhh!!! :( :( :( The sight of the law of supply-and- demand in action is not a pretty thing.] Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: , and BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Bootleg info wanted ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) Hello guys, it may seem a bit strange that _I_ am asking for that, but unfortunately I've been extremely busy recently and have not stayed on top of things... I'm looking for infos on the following bootlegs. Some may be CDRs, some just repackaged versions of known bootlegs. Please let me know purchase points as well. For the 'repackages' a color fotocopy of the new covers (against a live tape of your choice) would be just enough. The dreams are known to you (repackage) Strange attractions Empire of dreams Was it a tangerine dream or a black nightmare Dream tales Thanks for your help, -klaus- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6912 Re: Bootleg info wanted Lawry Simm Fri 9/5/1997 3 KB 6913 Re: Bootleg info wanted Paul Nagle Fri 9/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 5, 1997 9:16 am Subject: RE: Bootleg info wanted ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) Klaus, The dremas (sic) are known to you is a repackage of The Emerald Beyond. The index numbers on the LP are TD-DA and TD-DB for side A and B respectively. It has plain blue (aquamarine?) labels (as with Emerald Beyond). The sleeve is plain glossy black, with a stuck on piece of A4 sized card (I'll send the photocopy you want after the weekend). The picture claims it is 'LIVE 1977 KANSAS CITY' which of course we know is incorrect. I bought it in a record fair in Liverpool, England for 15 pounds. The dealer said that he had just bought it at a fair in Germany. Hope this helps you in your quest! Lawry. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6913 Re: Bootleg info wanted Paul Nagle Fri 9/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 5, 1997 6:45 pm Subject: Re: Bootleg info wanted ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) Hi Lawry, sorry to mail you here but I can't seem to get through to your email address. Did you receive the CD in one piece? 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 02/09/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 5, 1997 12:35 pm Subject: Re: D:The Celestine Prophecy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-09-03 23:15:36 EDT, you write: << Wish he [Franke] would do more albums like London Concert and Klemania. Neil >> You are not the only one, but I think he makes more money doing the other stuff, since he is not Tangerine Dream and doesn't have the name recognition. So, I wouldn't hold your breath waiting, if I were you. Too bad, huh? Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 5, 1997 1:24 pm Subject: Re: Golden Triangle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) What's that all about then? Lawry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 5, 1997 1:57 pm Subject: Money ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ole Brunes Hello Everybody. I was just wondering when i order things on the internet and from other persons how can i pay them when i dont have a creditcard. Im from Norway by the way. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6920 Re: Money Plumer, Scott Fri 9/5/1997 2 KB 6921 Re: Money Pete Fri 9/5/1997 3 KB 6922 Re: Money Michael Fox Fri 9/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 5, 1997 2:09 pm Subject: Kluster & Con Schnitzler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Pawel Jachowicz Dear TD fans, I have obtained a copy of Kluster's first album released in 1970. The title is 'Klopfzeichen' I think, but I am not 100% sure since I do not have it in front of me. I was very astonished to find Conrad Schnitzler as a member of the band. I wonder whether anyone knows, if Conrad released anything outside of the Kluster trio (Schnitzler, Moebius & Roedelius)? I have never run across any of his recordings (outside of Electronic Meditation with TD) and now this Kluster album. As to the music itself: I found the CD in the INDUSTRIAL section. This, however, is not a very good guide since the store had placed Edgar Froese's 'Aqua' also in that section ;-0. The disk contains three tracks. Tracks 1 and 2 appeared on the original album released in 1970, track 3 was recorded in 1980. The first track has a woman talking German about some religious things. (My German is quite rusty, but I enjoyed piecing together what she was saying.) The music on all three tracks resembles Klaus Krueger's music, but I must stress the word 'resembles'. It is different from what TD has done, even in their earliest years. If anyone knows where Conrad Schnitzler's CDs are available, please let me know either by direct email or by posting on this list. Cheers, Pawel -- Pawel Jachowicz, Computing Science, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada pavel@c... http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~pavel tangerine dream, christoph franke, edgar froese, johannes schmoelling klaus schulze, florian fricke, paul haslinger, klaus krueger, peter baumann Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6919 Re: Kluster & Con Schnitzler Vic Rek Fri 9/5/1997 3 KB 6924 Re: Kluster & Con Schnitzler TWeibre361@a... Fri 9/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 5, 1997 4:34 pm Subject: 'Dead Solid Perfect' still sealed for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... I have a copy of 'Dead Solid Perfect' still sealed, for sale. Anybody who is interested can e-mail me with an offer at TangerineC@a... Thanks. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 5, 1997 4:34 pm Subject: Re: Kluster & Con Schnitzler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: Pawel Jachowicz >I have obtained a copy of Kluster's first album released in 1970. The >title is 'Klopfzeichen' I think, but I am not 100% sure since I do >not have it in front of me. I was very astonished to find Conrad >Schnitzler as a member of the band. I wonder whether anyone knows, >if Conrad released anything outside of the Kluster trio (Schnitzler, >Moebius & Roedelius)? I have never run across any of his recordings >(outside of Electronic Meditation with TD) and now this Kluster album. Try his web site at http://www.conrad-schnitzler.net4.com/ He has about 20 releases on CD, Dozens of LP's (most very rare and expensive) and hundreds of 'Cassette Concerts'. He is now even suppling personal CD-Rs registered with him. He is a very fascinating musician. Good luck and kiss your wallet goodbye.. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 5, 1997 5:11 pm Subject: RE: Money ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I was just wondering when i order things on the internet and from other >persons how can i pay them when i dont have a creditcard. >Im from Norway by the way. You can't. You might be able to send a checque or international draft through a bank, depending on the site, but then it's no different than shopping via a printed catalog. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 5, 1997 5:39 pm Subject: Re: Money At 15:57 199709.05 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: Ole Brunes >I was just wondering when i order things on the internet and from other >persons how can i pay them when i dont have a creditcard. >Im from Norway by the way. Try CDnow, they offer payment by money order or cheque. I've already bought 3 Tangerine Dream CDs from them this way. The process just takes a little longer. 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 5, 1997 1:58 pm Subject: Re: Money ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Hi Ole, If you have a cheque account, your bank may be able to issue you a debit card that is also Visa/Mastercard. Works like a credit card, but is taken from your cheque account--no credit like regular cards. Hope this is of some help. At 03:57 PM 9/5/97 +0200, you wrote: > >Really-From: Ole Brunes > > >Hello Everybody. > >I was just wondering when i order things on the internet and from other >persons how can i pay them when i dont have a creditcard. >Im from Norway by the way. > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 5, 1997 7:27 pm Subject: THINGS ARE QUIET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Is everyone in mourning for Diana or something? MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6925 Re: THINGS ARE QUIET Plumer, Scott Sat 9/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 5, 1997 7:44 pm Subject: Re: Kluster & Con Schnitzler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-09-05 10:14:37 EDT, you write: << I wonder whether anyone knows, if Conrad released anything outside of the Kluster trio (Schnitzler, Moebius & Roedelius)? I have never run across any of his recordings (outside of Electronic Meditation with TD) and now this Kluster album. >> what a coincidence...yesterday i received two albums by this enigmatic figure: 00/106 (punch02) rot (plate01) the label says u can contact the label or mr. schnitzler @ www.conrad-schnitzler.net4.com...i got these discs at bent crayon.... tom w np: namlook VII From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 5, 1997 8:20 pm Subject: RE: THINGS ARE QUIET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Is everyone in mourning for Diana or something? Nope, Mother Theresa. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Specs from KLEMANIA THE SINGLES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi, Kiddies, I got ahold of a copy of the Chris Franke CD, KLEMANIA THE SINGLES. Yeah, I know; I said I would never buy a Chris Franke release again, but then, KLEMANIA is his best CD, is it not? ;) Anyways, there are three versions of 'Morphing Space' on this CD, and I'm not sure whether or not the third one is basically the same as the version on CELESTIAL JOURNEY. Here, then, are the specs of both of these CDs: 'MORPHING SPACE' THE SINGLES Chris Franke SI 8504-2-R 1995 Sonic Images Records 1. NAC Groove 3:41 2. Radio Edit 3:25 3. Ambient Mix 6:15 CELESTIAL JOURNEY RS0300 1996 Rising Star Records 1. Morphing Space--Ambient Mix (Chris Franke) 5:57 2. Coba (Patric O'Hearn) 5:56 3. Ixlandia (Jonn Serrie) 5:09 4. Chatter (Gabrielle Roth) 4:16 5. Sunrise (Dean Everson) 4:24 6. Left Where It Fell (Brian Eno & Jah Wobble) 6:58 7. Rites of Passage (Constance Demby) 6:41 8. Higher Ground (Steven Halpern) 5:13 9. Love Magick (Steve Roach & Robert Rich) 7:33 10. Twin Flame (Michael Stearns) 4:44 11. Lumiere (Suzanne Ciani) 3:55 Oh, two comments before I go: first, what the heck does 'NAC' stand for, and second, I thought I'd mention that the track, 'NAC Groove' features saxophone. Maybe Linda Spa was moonlighting? ;) Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: , and BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6928 Re: Specs from KLEMANIA THE SINGLES Hermes Guzman Sat 9/6/1997 3 KB 6935 Re: Specs from KLEMANIA THE SINGLES Dave Brewer Sat 9/6/1997 3 KB 6930 Re: Specs from KLEMANIA THE SINGLES Vic Rek Sat 9/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 5, 1997 11:03 pm Subject: Third International Fanzine Meeting ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Miguel Angel Esteban' Hi all again. Just a little advertising for these who publish magazines and/or e-zines Third International Fanzine Meeting (at the Barcelona Collectors Record Fair) 31 October, 1, 2 November 1997 Dear fanzine friends, The third FANZINE MEETING (ENCONTRE DE FANZINES) will take place in October at the 14th International Barcelona Collectors Record Fair (XIV FERIA DEL DISCO DE COLECCIONISTA DE CATALUNYA). We will have a space entirely devoted to the promotion of alternative music publications: fanzines. At last year's fanzine meeting, thousands of people had the oportunity of browsing and seeing for themselves first hand what a fanzine is all about as well as chatting with the forty fanzine editors present at the event. We had a fanzine exhibition with more than a hundred fanzines from all over the world. For this third fanzine meeting we expect to substantially improve the exhibition by having many more fanzines on display and to also increase the number of participant fanzine editors selling their own publications. Free lodging for participating fanzine editors is being studied. Among the activities that will are still planning we will have: Fanzine exhibition: 200 square meters inside the record fair. Fanzine Meeting catalogue: details of all the fanzines at the exhibition. How to obtain them, how can people get in touch with them, ... Fanzine Stalls: sell and inform about your publication (FREE stalls) Internet Zone: surf the fanzine net Other Activities: still to be planned The fanzine meeting will be advertised in national music press magazines, newspapers and FM radio stations and also on regional TV. It will also be covered by regional TV Canal 33, including interviews. We would welcome further publicity for this annual event. For your fanzine to be included at the exhibition and catalogue: Send a copy of your fanzine together with a brief description of contents and full details of subscription (by 1st October 1997). These will be included in the fanzine meeting catalogue. Sent to: P.O. Box 108 08200 Sabadell Barcelona SPAIN And please Fill in the Form To attend the meeting: Get in touch with us to work out the details and please Fill in the Form For further Information: e-mail: miracles@a... http://www.arrakis.es/~miracles/encontre.htm P.O. Box 108, 08200 Sabadell, Barcelona, SPAIN wwWWww [o][o] ------------------------ooO--(__)--Ooo----------------------------------- Fairlight Jarre Newsletter. Fanzine by the Spanish J.M. Jarre Fanclub email : fairlight_jarre@a... web : http://www.arrakis.es/~maec Price per issue: 150 pesetas ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question, the answer is no. ========================================================================= From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Specs from KLEMANIA THE SINGLES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Yo- > Anyways, there are three versions of 'Morphing Space' on this CD, >and I'm not sure whether or not the third one is basically the same as >the version on CELESTIAL JOURNEY. Here, then, are the specs of both of >these CDs: > >MORPHING SPACE SINGLE > 1. NAC Groove 3:41 > 2. Radio Edit 3:25 > 3. Ambient Mix 6:15 > >CELESTIAL JOURNEY > 1. Morphing Space--Ambient Mix (Chris Franke) 5:57 > > Oh, two comments before I go: first, what the heck does 'NAC' stand >for, and second, I thought I'd mention that the track, 'NAC Groove' >features saxophone. Maybe Linda Spa was moonlighting? ;) They are the same track, minus 18sec. on the _CJ_ disc. What really sucks is that they are also the same as the last 6:15 of 'Thru the Morphing Space' on the 3rd 'official retail' version of the CD! I won this from the first contest held on his website, and was really disappointed that it _wasn't_ a new mix! The only new bit is the 'NAC Groove' version, and it's ok I guess. BTW, NAC is Radio Programmer Speak for 'New Adult Contemporary'. Which tells those of you who don't have this all you'll ever need to know... goozer PS: Please stand by for a new FAQ...and contest coming soon! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6935 Re: Specs from KLEMANIA THE SINGLES Dave Brewer Sat 9/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 5, 1997 11:53 pm Subject: Baumann Issues (VitD, Wants, ???) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I've been reviewing some of my Peter Baumann vinyl items and comparing them against Voices in the Dunes (VitD). There seems to be some confusion on my part with the 12' solo singles and their catalog numbers. These references are specific to those that are in VitD. I have item 2.A. on page 418, but the catalog number says #601125-213, where in the book it states #12556. This catalog number corresponds to item 4.A. on page 419, but item 2.B. has the catalog number #600125. Maybe these differences have been discussed before, but I am very confused. Does anybody have any or all of these 12' singles. Maybe someone can re-summarized these three releases? Anyway, I'd like to trade for a copy of item #601125 if somebody has one to offer (or maybe just a tape will do). Sorry for confusing those without this book, but the 12' singles all relate to Peter's last album titled 'Strangers in the Night' (only on LP and cassette) whereby many singles were released with different versions of the title track. I'm asking this information not out of just personal reasons, but I want to present a summary to the list when I get all the correct facts and answers. Any help would be appreciated, so please check your Baumann 12' single catalog numbers and report back. Thanks, Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 5, 1997 11:57 pm Subject: Re: Specs from KLEMANIA THE SINGLES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >goozer > >PS: Please stand by for a new FAQ...and contest coming soon! > Oh please don't tempt us anymore :-) FAQ: What are the latest Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 6, 1997 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Mystery Tracks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Armin Theissen >Really-From: 'Ramachandran R.V.' > >Dear fellow TD friends, > >I recently returned from Singapore and was quite astonished to pick up two >obscure TD CD's namely Mystery tracks vol 1 and vol 2. I think there are >bootlegs since the quality on vol 2, on tracks like Barull blue, Chimes >and chaines, haunted heights, Oszillator planet concert are lifted from >LP's as did the Heartbreakers soundtrack. Any comments please ? also does >anyone know the period from which the tracks Baryll, Chimes and haunted >come from ? > > I *love* the Mystery Tracks because of Oszillator Planet! Live recordings from this particular TD period are not very frequent. Baryll, Chimes, and Haunted are from the 4 LP samper 'TD 70-80', released 1980 (or 81), at some time between Tangram and Thief. This sampler had a great picture booklet (which nobody scanned sofar to put it on the web). They all sound like late 70s or 1980 stuff, if you compare it with TD and Baumann solo music. Armin (who just returned from holidays in Sicily and struggled hard through 20 tadream digest mails) Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18695 Mystery Tracks JMJ Fanklubb Norge Thu 10/28/1999 1 KB 18697 Re: Mystery Tracks Owens James Thu 10/28/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 6, 1997 10:06 pm Subject: New Midi files available ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Philip Meyer I have uploaded some more midi files to my web site (http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk). The new ones are: Dolp.mid Strat.mid SunGate.mid Tula.mid Enjoy! Phil --Phil Meyer-------------------------- phil@h... amarok@c... http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk --------God loves his children, yeah-- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 6, 1997 12:12 pm Subject: NAC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox >Oh, two comments before I go: first, what the heck does 'NAC' stand >for, and second, I thought I'd mention that the track, 'NAC Groove'< New Age Chart---radio lingo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6934 NAC Michael Fox Sat 9/6/1997 2 KB 6945 Re: NAC PNaunton@a... Sun 9/7/1997 3 KB 6948 Re: NAC Michael Fox Mon 9/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 6, 1997 12:15 pm Subject: NAC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox >NAC is Radio Programmer Speak for 'New Adult >Contemporary'. Which tells those of you who don't have this all you'll ever >need to know... > Gooz is correct--which shows how much I recall early in the day From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 6, 1997 12:07 am Subject: Re: Specs from KLEMANIA THE SINGLES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > > They are the same track, minus 18sec. on the _CJ_ disc. What really sucks > is that they are also the same as the last 6:15 of 'Thru the Morphing > Space' on the 3rd 'official retail' version of the CD! I won this from the That's interesting... I guess the remix from the original version of Klemania to the final official release is more substantial than I was led to believe. I have only the original mix of Klemania, and I heard MS off of CJ, and didn't recognise any of the music! :-\ I did like that ambient mix track, tho. > PS: Please stand by for a new FAQ...and contest coming soon! > Cool, maybe it'll be something I know the answer to this time! :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: *How* Many Versions of 'Morphing Space'?!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Specs from KLEMANIA THE SINGLES >Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 17:07:38 -0700 (MST) >From: Tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Dave Brewer > >>Quoted From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) [re the versions of >>'Morphing Space' that are on the KLEMANIA THE SINGLES CD and the >>Rising Star Records compilation, COSMIC JOURNEY]: >> >>They are the same track, minus 18 sec. on the [COSMIC JOURNEY] disc. >>What really sucks is that they are also the same as the last 6:15 of >>'Thru the Morphing Space' on the 3rd 'official retail' version of the >>CD! I won this from the [...] Hold on. Now I'm getting confused. I thought the 3rd version of KLEMANIA was the *only* 'official retail version'! What version are you talking about??? As far as I know, there was a limited edition version which was sold at the Klemdag festival in the Netherlands, then there was the version available via mailorder from Sonic Images, and then the version made available to the mainstream record-buying public. As far as I know, this last version was/is the *only* version ever made widely available. I never heard the ltd. ed. version sold at the festival, but I have the mail-order Sonic Images version and the mainstream-available version. Are you talking about the latter . . . or yet *another* version??? I am especially confused since the versions of 'Morphing Space' that are on MORPHING SPACE -- THE SINGLES and COSMIC JOURNEY are not the same as the last 6:15 of the mainstream KLEMANIA CD, to the best of my recollection. (I'll go home and compare them tonight.) >That's interesting... I guess the remix from the original version of >Klemania to the final official release is more substantial than I was >led to believe. [. . .] The mail-order and mainstream version are very different. The main difference is that the mainstream version is a hell of a lot more polished: the mail-order version sounded like little more than a demo. >[. . .] I have only the original mix of Klemania, and I heard >MS off of CJ, and didn't recognise any of the music! :-\ [. . .] If you only have the mail-order version -- and it sounds like that's the one you have -- definitely pick up the mainstream version the next time you find a used copy. (I've actually seen copies priced as low as $2.00!) A word to the wise: I've seen this CD in four different sections, e.g. 'New Age,' 'Tangerine Dream,' 'Chris Franke,' and 'Techno' -- all depending on what store you go to and which clerk was pricing new buys on a given day. ;) >[. . .] I did like that ambient mix track, tho. Ditto. :) Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: , and BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6937 Re: *How* Many Versions of 'Morphing Space'?!?! Hermes Guzman Sat 9/6/1997 4 KB 6941 Re: *How* Many Versions of 'Morphing Space'?!?! Vic Rek Sun 9/7/1997 3 KB 6950 Re: *How* Many Versions of 'Morphing Space'?!?! Hermes Guzman Mon 9/8/1997 4 KB 6953 Re: *How* Many Versions of 'Morphing Space'?!?! Vic Rek Mon 9/8/1997 3 KB 6960 Re: *How* Many Versions of 'Morphing Space'?!?! Mark Dobie Mon 9/8/1997 4 KB 6969 Re: *How* Many Versions of 'Morphing Space'?!?! Vic Rek Mon 9/8/1997 3 KB 6984 Re: *How* Many Versions of 'Morphing Space'?!?! cosmos@c... Tue 9/9/1997 5 KB 6985 Re: *How* Many Versions of 'Morphing Space'?!?! cosmos@c... Tue 9/9/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: *How* Many Versions of 'Morphing Space'?!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Hey- >> >>>Quoted From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) [re the versions of >>>'Morphing Space' that are on the KLEMANIA THE SINGLES CD and the >>>Rising Star Records compilation, COSMIC JOURNEY]: >>> >>>They are the same track, minus 18 sec. on the [COSMIC JOURNEY] disc. >>>What really sucks is that they are also the same as the last 6:15 of >>>'Thru the Morphing Space' on the 3rd 'official retail' version of the >>>CD! I won this from the [...] > > Hold on. Now I'm getting confused. I thought the 3rd version of >KLEMANIA was the *only* 'official retail version'! What version are >you talking about??? Read my above quote as follows: 1st 'KLEM/Mailorder' version 2nd 'French retail remixed' version 3rd 'official retail' version As you can see, the 1st version was sold at the KLEM festival _and_ offered via mailorder; the 2nd version of K was the first remix _and_ retail version, available only in France; and the 3rd version is the 2nd remix/'worldwide' 'official retail' version. >I am especially confused since the versions of 'Morphing >Space' that are on MORPHING SPACE -- THE SINGLES and COSMIC JOURNEY >are not the same as the last 6:15 of the mainstream KLEMANIA CD, to >the best of my recollection. (I'll go home and compare them tonight.) Yes, they are _identical_! >>That's interesting... I guess the remix from the original version of >>Klemania to the final official release is more substantial than I was >>led to believe. [. . .] Yup. Went through _2_ different remixes! goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: French Version of KLEMANIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: *How* Many Versions of 'Morphing Space'?!?! >Date: Sat, 6 Sep 97 14:38:49 -0500 (CDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >1st 'KLEM/Mailorder' version >2nd 'French retail remixed' version >3rd 'official retail' version > >[. . .] the 2nd version of K was the first remix _and_ retail >version, available only in France [. . .] >remix/'worldwide' 'official retail' version. Okay, so how hard is it to get this French version of KLEMANIA, and it is sufficiently different from the other two to recommend seeking out at an import price? -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Excellent Overview on Krautrock ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, In my opinion, the following article is particularly insightful and non-trendy regarding 'krautrock' and the roots of electronica. Please let me know if it is *not* as great as I think it is. (I'll be sending copies of it to folk who think that techno and ambient are both brand- new artforms and that I'm an old fart who has no clue.) -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + The Washington Post January 21, 1996, Sunday, Final Edition SECTION: SUNDAY ARTS; Pg. G05 LENGTH: 1637 words HEADLINE: THE GERMAN INVASION; British One Got Better Press, But the Teutonic Influence Endures BYLINE: Mark Jenkins, Special to The Washington Post BODY: The Beatles are back on the charts again, but to the international pop music market it's almost as if they never went away: The Anglo- American alliance that began its dominance with 'I Want to Hold Your Hand' is as secure as ever. Countries as diverse as India, Japan and Argentina have developed their own pop stars, but few have proved exportable. Globally, the history of popular music during the last 25 years is an account of just three nations: the United States, the United Kingdom and, well, Germany. If judged strictly on Billboard chart position, of course, the latter wouldn't make the list. The occasional Teutonic commercial success -- Nena's chirpy 1984 hit, '99 Luftballons,' say -- is just the sort of forgettable fluke that proves that Germany (like such occasional hit-makers as Sweden or Brazil) is not a serious contender. Indeed, of the '70s-vintage German bands that are (once again) being discovered, only Kraftwerk ever entered the American Top 40: An edited version of the 22-minute 'Autobahn' made it all the way to No. 25 in 1975. Yet Capitol, the same label that's put the Beatles' leftovers in play, has also recently reissued such Kraftwerk albums as 'Trans-Europe Express' and 'The Man Machine.' Even less known in the United States is Can, perhaps the best of the spacey, early '70s German ensembles that combined elements from avant-garde composer Karlheinz Stockhausen and the Velvet Underground with jazz, funk, dub and other influences. This style is often called 'Krautrock,' after a song from 1973's 'Faust IV,' the final album by Faust, another German group of the period. Though discs by Faust and such other contemporaries as Neu are hard to find, Can's catalogue is again available through an alliance between Spoon, a French label, and Mute, an English one with American distribution. Spoon/Mute began reissuing the Cologne jam band's albums in 1989, although they didn't become widely available in the United States until recently. Its latest projects are 'Can: Anthology 25 Years,' a two-CD set, and 'Cannibalism 3,' the third sampler of solo work by the former band members. Though Can recorded for a decade, its best albums -- 'Ege Bamyasi,' 'Future Days' and 'Soon Over Babaluma' -- were made between 1972 and 1974. Kraftwerk hit its stride soon after, with 'Autobahn' (1974), 'Radio Activity' (1975), 'Trans-Europe Express' (1977) and 'The Man Machine' (1978). This period also produced Berlin's Tangerine Dream, whose burblings presaged much of contemporary 'ambient' music -- 'They sound like silt seeping on the ocean floor,' wrote Lester Bangs, not altogether unadmiringly, in 1977 - and synth-based movie soundtracks. (The group has composed a number of the latter itself.) Around the same time, Munich became a disco powerhouse with the success of Silver Convention ('Fly, Robin, Fly') and especially Giorgio Moroder, who produced a dozen Top 40 (and dance-floor) hits for American singer Donna Summer. Because Moroder's music was once ubiquitous and soon faded, his reputation is in decline. His artier contemporaries, however, have never been more prized. 'Kraftwerk invented the pristine, precise, surface-oriented pop phuture we now inhabit,' argues British rock critic Simon Reynolds, one of the most vehement advocates of the position that rock-and-roll is old-fashioned and space-rock is cutting-edge. (However valid this argument may be aesthetically, it's not exactly historical: Leon Theremin's pioneering synthesizer is a contemporary of the electric guitar.) Proponents of Kraftwerk and its Teutonic peers have long claimed that theirs is the music of the future (or 'phuture'). The suit-and-tie scientist look cultivated by Kraftwerk founders Ralf Hutter and Florian Schneider emphasizes their distance from messy, human rock-and-roll, and even the Dusseldorf band's advocates find it difficult to write about them without mentioning such German inventions as the V2 rocket and methamphetamine. 'In the music of Kraftwerk, and bands like them present and to come,' exulted Bangs in 1975, 'the machines not merely overpower and play the human beings but absorb them, until the scientist and his technology, having developed a higher consciousness of its own, are one and the same.' It may not have furthered a higher consciousness, but by the late '70s Krautrock had become a significant resource for experimental rockers (mostly British) dissatisfied with the relatively modest damage done by punk to traditional rock. The first big-time Brits to make the pilgrimage to Berlin were David Bowie and Brian Eno, who made two Kraftwerk-smitten albums, 'Low' and 'Heroes,' there in 1977. Public Image Ltd., the group founded by John Lydon after he abandoned the Sex Pistols and his Johnny Rotten moniker, drew heavily from Can, especially for its 'Second Edition' album. (After departing Public Image, bassist Jah Wobble made two EPs with Can's Holger Czukay, one enlisting U2 guitarist the Edge, the other Can drummer Jaki Liebezeit.) 'I Am Damo Suzuki,' proclaimed a song on British post-punk band the Fall's 1985 album, 'This Nation's Saving Grace,' in honor of Can's Japanese sometime singer, Kenjo 'Damo' Suzuki. Krautrock also influenced such British post-punk synth bands as Cabaret Voltaire, Prag Vec, Throbbing Gristle and (early) Human League. Within a few years, a new generation of bands had crafted a commercial version of these groups' synth-based sound. Depeche Mode, while retaining some of its English pop sensibility, recorded in Berlin and cultivated a Weimar graphic style; so did Nitzer Ebb, which actually tried to pass as German by designating its music 'Nitzerebbprodukt.' (The Chelmsford return address gave the band away, though.) As Kraftwerk's albums became less frequent, its influence grew. Perhaps the crucial event was hip-hop innovator Afrika Bambaataa's 1982 single, 'Planet Rock,' which borrowed its 'perfect beat' from 'Trans- Europe Express.' This Bronx/Dusseldorf synthesis was 'the start of hip- hop,' insists British pop-music historian Jon Savage, and it's true that early hip-hop and break-dancing was frequently based on mechanical beats derived, directly or indirectly, from Kraftwerk. Though heavy metal, jazz and many other influences were eventually incorporated, hip-hop's early pulse was often the robotic beat of the man-machines. (Locally, Trouble Funk's 'Trouble Funk Express' adapted the techno-pulse of 'Trans-Europe Express' to go-go's looser swing.) [I remember seeing an early 1980's issue of England's music tabloid NME (NEW MUSICAL EXPRESS) which placed at the top of its Top Ten Hip-Hop list Moroder's 15 minute- plus masterpiece, 'Evolution,' which was recorded and released in 1978, at his peak. This is indeed Moroder's best-ever achievement, as far as *I'm* concerned, and I've been a Moroder fan since 1977, ever since he produced Donna Summer's 'I Feel Love' and Munich Machine's 'Get on the Funk Train' (*another* 15 minute-plus bonanza). It's really a pity that critics continue to rant about Kraftwerk, Faust, Can, and Neu to the detriment of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Shulze and Giorgio Moroder. Moroder is much more responsible for Eurodisco and Hi Energy than Kraftwerk ever was. It is Moroder who is the father of the Pet Shop Boys and Erasure, not Kraftwerk. -- Steven Feldman] Reportedly overwhelmed by bringing their technique and sound into the digital age, Kraftwerk hasn't released an album of new material since 1986's 'Electric Cafe.' The band's most recent release, 1991's 'The Mix,' remodeled such tracks as 'Computer Love' to acknowledge the harsher, harder beats of such Germanic '80s and '90s successors as Einsturzende Neubauten, Deutsche Amerikanische Freundschaft and Die Krupps. (Recently, Tangerine Dream also issued an album of its standards remixed for the more aggressive demands of today's dance floors.) If Kraftwerk's influence has become as universal (albeit less acknowledged) as that of the Beatles, groups like Can are again the darlings of the underground. Virtually all the acts on London's trendy Too Pure label -- Stereolab, Th' Faith Healers, Laika, Moonshake, Pram, Long Fin Killie, Mouse on Mars -- are indebted to Can. (Most of the Too Pure bands are British, although Mouse on Mars has a Cologne return address and Stereolab's French singer, Laetitia Sadier, gives the band a continental aspect.) Such post-punk veterans as Sonic Youth and Julian Cope, who wore a Neu T-shirt when he performed at the Black Cat in November, have taken up the cause as well. Although Can's music is sometimes cosmic in a '70s mode that has failed to return to fashion, it augurs many of the most celebrated '90s bands that favor groove and atmosphere over melody and lyrics. This is the music that Simon Reynolds, while conceding its 25-year-old inspiration, has unconvincingly dubbed 'post-rock.' 'Basically, when it comes to psychedelic dance music,' opines Reynolds of Can, 'those crafty Krauts wrote the book.' Those advocating post-rock's inevitable triumph tend not to be thrilled with the pop music that's actually selling these days: grunge, Brit-pop, Hootie and the Blowfish. Indeed, one of things that commends Kraftwerk, Can and their followers to rock sophisticates -- their emotionlessness -- may be just what undermines them in the Anglo- American market. 'We are showroom dummies,' sang Kraftwerk robotically, and later devised a live performance in which the band members were impersonated by automatons. On many of its best-known songs -- 'Autobahn,' 'Trans- Europe Express,' 'Tour De France' -- Kraftwerk tried to embody not human exhilaration but the sensation of speed itself. Hutter, Schneider and company aspired to be 'man-machines,' creatures that wouldn't want to hold your hand -- and indeed might not even have any hands. Can's chilliness was less programmatic, but this band too eschewed popular music's customary emotional concerns. Frequently chanted and submerged in the mix, its multi-lingual vocals were simply another sonic element, texture rather than thought. Whatever connection Can makes with the listener is a matter of sound, not sense. Perhaps that's why Krautrock remains a storehouse to be plundered by pop's cognoscenti rather than -- as Depeche Mode's knockoff once proclaimed itself -- 'Music for the Masses.' Rock's history can't be written without Germany, but more people are interested in scraps of music from the Beatles' Hamburg days than with the world-altering sounds Kraftwerk and Can fashioned nearby. Krautrock's influence is vast, but few CD buyers are ready for the day when the machines play the human beings. GRAPHIC: Photo, photofest, Germany's Fab Four: Kraftwerk's Ralf Hutter, Florian Schneider, Karl Bartos and Wolfgang Flur. LANGUAGE: ENGLISH COUNTRY: GERMANY Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6940 Re: Excellent Overview on Krautrock GrafZeigen@a... Sun 9/7/1997 2 KB 6954 Re: Excellent Overview on Krautrock Plumer, Scott Mon 9/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 7, 1997 2:11 am Subject: Re: Excellent Overview on Krautrock ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... Thanks, Steven. It was indeed an 'excellent' article. And much food for thought and debate....especially after such a depressing week! Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 7, 1997 5:35 am Subject: Re: *How* Many Versions of 'Morphing Space'?!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >Read my above quote as follows: >1st 'KLEM/Mailorder' version >2nd 'French retail remixed' version >3rd 'official retail' version > >As you can see, the 1st version was sold at the KLEM festival _and_ offered >via mailorder; the 2nd version of K was the first remix _and_ retail >version, available only in France; and the 3rd version is the 2nd >remix/'worldwide' 'official retail' version. > OK, here is my version of the Klemania releases: 1st version - regular store release, 1993 (mine is pressed in the US) 2nd version - KLEM/Europe release, 1993 (pressed in Austria) (this one also contained the special numbered KLEM promo insert) 3rd version - regular store re-release with expanded booklet, 1995 Also tracks times: 1st 2nd 3rd 1. Scattered Thoughts of a Canyon Flight 22:05 22:05 22:27 2. Inside the Morphing Space (remix on 2nd) 20:07 20:56 21:01 3. Silent Waves 4:10 4:10 4:10 Two more comments. 1. I'm pretty sure I bought the first version in a retail store in 1993, so KLEM/mailorder is in conflict. 2. I never heard of a French only release? Please provide more supporting documentation. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 7, 1997 11:07 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #33 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Kepler Decloaking... Armin mentioned that there weren't any web pages up with the pictures from the booklet in the TD 70-80 box. I just happen to have recently scanned some of the photos in that book. So here is the address of my hastily and crudely assembled TD 70-80 web site: http://www.ipinc.net/~kepler/TD/index.html Be forewarned, that this puts me over my webspace limit at my ISP, so this site will be up for a _very_ limited time. Go out there and see it while you can. This is also a 'secret' page. There are no links to it from my main pages and I am only giving out the address to you fellow tadreamers. Thanks, Michael Kepler Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6943 Re: tadream-digest V16 #33 Gaza Grand Master of Gazitsu Sun 9/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 7, 1997 9:45 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #33 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gaza Grand Master of Gazitsu --- > Really-From: Michael Kepler > > Decloaking... > > Armin mentioned that there weren't any web pages up with the > pictures from the booklet in the TD 70-80 box. I just happen > to have recently scanned some of the photos in that book. > > So here is the address of my hastily and crudely assembled > TD 70-80 web site: whoaaa cool piccies thanks a lot mate they were bang on. I've never seen the 70-80 booklet, and was always disappointed with the lack of TD tour pictures in the Tangents booklet. Gaza From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 7, 1997 2:34 pm Subject: D:Solo Week 13 - Sep. 8, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This week we would like to hear comments on: Christopher Franke - Tenchi-Muyo! in Love ----------------------------------------- Please make subject 'D:Tenchi-Muyo!' when commenting. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 7, 1997 2:46 pm Subject: Re: NAC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-09-06 13:18:11 EDT << Really-From: Michael Fox >Oh, two comments before I go: first, what the heck does 'NAC' stand >for, and second, I thought I'd mention that the track, 'NAC Groove'< <<> >NAC is Radio Programmer Speak for 'New Adult >Contemporary'. Which tells those of you who don't have this all you'll ever >need to know... > Gooz is correct--which shows how much I recall early in the day>>> Are you sure? I was told that it meant, 'No Artistic Content', which pretty much covers the ground. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6948 Re: NAC Michael Fox Mon 9/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 7, 1997 6:22 pm Subject: Rubycon revisited.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Todd W Olson I found this album recently and am curious if anyone has any details on it. The CD itself is VERY sparse.. it only says Tangerine Dream rubycon revisited evil ear (the evil and ear share the same E). The CD has a cat# of evil001. The picture inside the booklet (the only thing inside the booklet) is a stylized (grainy like the pictures on US currency) picture of a quintet.. two violins, two trumpets, and a string bass. -Todd Biochemist at large Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6951 Re: Rubycon revisited.. Grant Middleton Mon 9/8/1997 3 KB 6952 Re: Rubycon revisited.. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n Mon 9/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: 'Phaedra (extended)' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Howdy All, Remember how there is a version of 'Phaedra' on the TANGERINE DREAM '70-'80 boxed set called 'Phaedra (extended)' that is a minute longer than the one on the record? Well, I just got ahold of the TD CD (on the Disky label) and momentarily got all excited after looking through various entries in VOICES IN THE DUNES . . . thinking that I'd found this long version on this CD, but a call to Lars revealed a much different story. It turns out that this long version of 'Phaedra' that used to only be on the boxed set is the *only* version that has ever appeared on CD--meaning that the only place to get the short version is on the LP (and, presumably, the cassette)!!! Now, ain't *that* a kick in the pants?!?! I will compare the TD items in question below, but first, keep in mind that Disky's TD CD and Virgin's SBM version of PHAEDRA both make the error of placing the kids-in-the-schoolyard ending of 'Phaedra' at the beginning of 'Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares,' which makes the songs' respective running times seem wrong. (The kids- in-the-schoolyard sequence lasts 46 seconds.) Virgin's PHAEDRA LP ------------------- Phaedra 16:30 Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares 9:32 Movements of a Visionary 7:46 Sequent C' 2:13 Virgin's TANGERINE DREAM '70-'80 boxed set ------------------------------------------ (first two tracks on) Side 2: Phaedra (extended) 17:33 Sequent C' 2:19 Virgin's Original PHAEDRA CD ---------------------------- Phaedra 17:46 Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares 9:56 Movements of a Visionary 8:01 Sequent C' 2:18 Virgin's SBM (Single Bit Mastering) PHAEDRA CD ---------------------------------------------- TIME LISTED ON CD / TIME ON LARS' CD PLAYER'S READOUT Phaedra 16:45 / 16:47 Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares 10:35 / 10:46 Movements of a Visionary 7:55 / 7:58 Sequent C' 2:17 / 2:17 Disky's TD CD ------------- TIME LISTED ON CD / TIME ON LARS' CD PLAYER'S READOUT Phaedra 16:43 / 16:44 Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares 10:35 / 10:38 Movements of a Visionary 7:55 / 7:56 Sequent C' 2:17 / 2:20 Since the problem of putting the kids-in-the-schoolyard part of 'Phaedra' only occurs on Virgin's SBM (Single Bit Mastering) PHAEDRA CD and Disky's TD CD, I've timed the part of the Disky TD CD that has the kids part. Being the opening of this CD's version of 'Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares,' it runs the first 46 seconds, then there are 4 seconds of silence, and then the actual 'Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares' starts at the 51 second mark. Making this adjustment, we get: Disky's TD CD ------------- Phaedra 16:43 + 00:46 = 17:29 Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares 10:35 - 00:51 = 9:44 Movements of a Visionary 7:55 Sequent C' 2:17 I don't have Virgin's SBM version of PHAEDRA, but I assume that the numbers work out in much the same way as those of the Disky TD CD. So, basically, the LP version of PHAEDRA runs 16:30, while the version on TANGERINE DREAM '70-'80 and all CD versions run between 17:29 and 17:46. Can I go home, now? ;) Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: , and BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 7, 1997 6:30 pm Subject: Re: NAC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 10:46 AM 9/7/97 -0400, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > >In a message dated 97-09-06 13:18:11 EDT > ><< Really-From: Michael Fox > > > >Oh, two comments before I go: first, what the heck does 'NAC' stand > >for, and second, I thought I'd mention that the track, 'NAC Groove'< > > << >> >>NAC is Radio Programmer Speak for 'New Adult >>Contemporary'. Which tells those of you who don't have this all you'll ever >>need to know... >> >Gooz is correct--which shows how much I recall early in the day>>> > > Are you sure? I was told that it meant, 'No Artistic Content', >which pretty much covers the ground. When I did the radio show (which was jazz/TD/whatever) and I had to follow these charts, I called it New Age Crap charts. Mike > >Phil Naunton > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: 'Phaedra (extended)'...not! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Yo- > Remember how there is a version of 'Phaedra' on the TANGERINE >DREAM '70-'80 boxed set called 'Phaedra (extended)' that is a minute >longer than the one on the record? Well, I just got ahold of the TD >CD (on the Disky label) and momentarily got all excited after looking >through various entries in VOICES IN THE DUNES . . . thinking that I'd >found this long version on this CD, but a call to Lars revealed a much >different story. It turns out that this long version of 'Phaedra' that >used to only be on the boxed set is the *only* version that has ever >appeared on CD--meaning that the only place to get the short version is >on the LP (and, presumably, the cassette)!!! Now, ain't *that* a kick >in the pants?!?! Yeah, it would've been, had there actually _been_ a 'short' version! > I will compare the TD items in question below, (...stuff cut...) And if you would have actually _played and timed_ the LP, rather than rely on VITD, you would have discovered that the LP is also 17:30! When I got VITD back in '93, I noticed the different timings for 'Phaedra' (among other things), and immediately compared all three (at the time) sources. And I just did so again, so as not to rely on old notes and memory. They are identical. > Can I go home, now? ;) Yes, and you must sit in the corner for 4 hours listening to _Rubycon Revisited_! ; ) goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: *How* Many Versions of 'Morphing Space'?!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Yo- >Really-From: Vic Rek >>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >> >>Read my above quote as follows: >>1st 'KLEM/Mailorder' version >>2nd 'French retail remixed' version >>3rd 'official retail' version >> >>As you can see, the 1st version was sold at the KLEM festival _and_ offered >>via mailorder; the 2nd version of K was the first remix _and_ retail >>version, available only in France; and the 3rd version is the 2nd >>remix/'worldwide' 'official retail' version. > >OK, here is my version of the Klemania releases: >1st version - regular store release, 1993 (mine is pressed in the US) >2nd version - KLEM/Europe release, 1993 (pressed in Austria) > (this one also contained the special numbered KLEM promo insert) >3rd version - regular store re-release with expanded booklet, 1995 > >Also tracks times: 1st 2nd 3rd >1. Scattered Thoughts of a Canyon Flight 22:05 22:05 22:27 >2. Inside the Morphing Space (remix on 2nd) 20:07 20:56 21:01 >3. Silent Waves 4:10 4:10 4:10 > >Two more comments. >1. I'm pretty sure I bought the first version in a retail store in 1993, so >KLEM/mailorder is in conflict. >2. I never heard of a French only release? Please provide more supporting >documentation. OK. All information that follows comes from Voyager (issues 6, 7, 8, 10), Beyond The Horizon (vols. 2/2, 2/4, 3/3) and Sonic Images press sheets. The first version was a limited edition of 3000 copies, provided both to the KLEM festival organizers (with insert) and via mailorder through BtH and Sonic Images (without insert.) These were pressed in the US, and some _may_ have ended up in a import/specialty shop for 'retail' sale. The second version was the first retail version, available only in France _and_ Germany. It had different mixes of 'SToaCF' and 'TtMS', and the cat. number, booklet and inserts were the same, save for the different running times indicated on the back. The third (and hopefully _last_) version is the second retail version, finally available here in the US, as well as the UK. The versions of 'SToaCF' and 'TtMS' are yet again remixed, with 'TtMS' having a new ending (the last 6:15, AKA 'TtMS Ambient Mix'), and an expanded booklet is provided. Hope this helped... goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 8:24 am Subject: Re: Rubycon revisited.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Todd W Olson > > I found this album recently and am curious if anyone has any details on it. > The CD itself is VERY sparse.. it only says Tangerine Dream rubycon revisited > evil ear (the evil and ear share the same E). The CD has a cat# of evil001. DON'T BUY THIS !!! This album is C*AP, SH*T and BOL**CKS !!! Got that ? Basically, this album is Rubycon playing in the background while someone plays irritating drum loops and sparse keyboards over the top. Sounds like someone invited his friends round to hear his new sampler and taped the result on a ghetto-blaster, but they were all so stoned that nobody remembered to switch off the CD of Rubycon that was playing. It's stupid, annoying and completely incomprehensible. DON'T BUY IT ! You'll only encourage him to do more. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 7, 1997 10:00 pm Subject: RE: Rubycon revisited.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' Hello, Todd: > Really-From: Todd W Olson > > > > I found this album recently and am curious if anyone has any details on > it. The CD itself is VERY sparse.. it only says Tangerine Dream rubycon > revisited evil ear (the evil and ear share the same E). The CD has a cat# > of evil001. The picture inside the booklet (the only thing inside the > booklet) is a stylized (grainy like the pictures on US currency) picture > of a quintet.. two violins, two trumpets, and a string bass. > > -Todd It's curious, because 2 months ago I wrote to the list for the same thing. Rubycon Revisited is overloaded with music of Enigma, Black Sabbath and Philip Glass, between another. The creator (of course: dark alquimist) isn't known. This bootleg appeared in 1995. Greetings. José Ramón From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 12:05 pm Subject: Re: *How* Many Versions of 'Morphing Space'?!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >OK. All information that follows comes from Voyager (issues 6, 7, 8, 10), >Beyond The Horizon (vols. 2/2, 2/4, 3/3) and Sonic Images press sheets. > >The first version was a limited edition of 3000 copies, provided both to >the KLEM festival organizers (with insert) and via mailorder through BtH >and Sonic Images (without insert.) These were pressed in the US, and some >_may_ have ended up in a import/specialty shop for 'retail' sale. > >The second version was the first retail version, available only in France >_and_ Germany. It had different mixes of 'SToaCF' and 'TtMS', and the cat. >number, booklet and inserts were the same, save for the different running >times indicated on the back. > Well Goozer, I guess we agree on the 3rd release, and thanks for the supporting information. But what get's me is that my KLEM promo CD (with the signed insert) is the 2nd issue (with the remix). Now explain that. Well, if someone told me that my inserts got switched with the 1st and 2nd release CDs, then that would explain everything and the case would be closed. Anyway, I won't argue with what Voyager or Beyond the Horizon wrote. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 12:24 pm Subject: RE: Excellent Overview on Krautrock ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >HEADLINE: THE GERMAN INVASION; British One Got Better Press, But the >Teutonic Influence Endures That reminds me: a couple of issues back (in the one w/ Keith Flint of Prodigy on the cover) Rolling Stone had a nice little article on electronica and its roots, and actually mentioned TD! Of course, they gave all the credit to Kraftwerk, but TD was mentioned in a positive light. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 1:42 pm Subject: Rubycon Revisited ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dr. George D. Choksy' Hoi y'all. On 7 Sep 1997, Todd W Olson asked about the infamous 'Rubycon Revisited:' > I found this album recently and am curious if anyone has any details on > it.... it only says Tangerine Dream rubycon revisited evil ear..., has > a cat# of evil001. Well Todd, you've stumbled across one of the worst fake 'bootlegs' I've ever had the misfortune to encounter. This has been discussed before at length on the Tadream Digest. It is nothing more than the studio album 'Rubycon' with some idiotic and extremely bad rhythm and blues drums and guitar incongruously and gruesomely overdubbed onto it. It's a worthless piece of shit, and whoever's responsible for it deserves a 9 mm enema. Avoid it at all costs. George Choksy@A... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 12:50 pm Subject: Beyond the Horizon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) Is this magazine still going and does anyone have an address for it? Thanks in advance, Lawry :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9757 Re: Beyond the Horizon AOutland Fri 1/2/1998 3 KB 9759 Re: Beyond the Horizon TWeibre361 Fri 1/2/1998 3 KB 9777 Re: Beyond the Horizon AOutland Sat 1/3/1998 3 KB 9781 Re: Beyond the Horizon TWeibre361 Sat 1/3/1998 3 KB 9852 Re: Beyond the Horizon Sturminatr Thu 1/8/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 1:31 pm Subject: French Klemania ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean While I don't have one, I believe it was released.... THere was a brief mention in an old issue of Beyond the Horizon.... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 1:35 pm Subject: D; Tenchi-Muyo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Just comments, not a review! I don't think there are a lot of copies in circulation... The music seems to follow two distinct themes: One pleasant, and the other brooding... The way they jump back and forth is unnerving to me so I often program the CD player to group all the similar pieces together... For some reason it reminds me of the music from Dr Quinn, Medicine Woman!!! Perhaps I'm just strange! I have heard ther are several different covers on this release...Who else has one? Mine is silver colored.... Mike J Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6968 Re: D; Tenchi-Muyo Vic Rek Mon 9/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 12:58 pm Subject: Re: Stratosfear 1994 or 1995?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung Hello, I recently compared my few versions of Tyranny of Beauty CDs and noticed one interesting thing: the Stratosfear track was either titled 'Stratosfear 1994' or 'Stratosfear 1995'. My little discovery is as follows: Dutch CD Virgin 7243 840275 2 0 'Stratosfear 1994' UK CD AMP-CD 027 'Stratosfear 1994' US CD Miramar 0900-2304-2 'Stratosfear 1995' Austrian CD TDI 002 CD 'Stratosfear 1995' I guess releases from other countries also exist (such as Italy). Can anybody add more to the list above?? Also funny is that this piece of music was intended for 'Tangent' (1994) but dropped. So why the TDI CD got it as 'Stratosfear 1995'?? Jeffrey Au-Yeung Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6962 Re: Stratosfear 1994 or 1995?? Kev Holmes Mon 9/8/1997 5 KB 6963 Re: Stratosfear 1994 or 1995?? feldon@p... Mon 9/8/1997 3 KB 6964 Re: Stratosfear 1994 or 1995?? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 9/9/1997 3 KB 6970 Re: Stratosfear 1994 or 1995?? Dave Brewer Mon 9/8/1997 3 KB 6965 Tangerine Ambience II Sean Montgomery Mon 9/8/1997 4 KB 6976 CD Now's TD list Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 9/9/1997 8 KB 6966 Re: Stratosfear 1994 or 1995?? Lawry Simm Tue 9/9/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 2:12 pm Subject: Re: *How* Many Versions of 'Morphing Space'?!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Dobie > Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > OK. All information that follows comes from Voyager (issues 6, 7, 8, 10), > Beyond The Horizon (vols. 2/2, 2/4, 3/3) and Sonic Images press sheets. > > The first version was a limited edition of 3000 copies, provided both to > the KLEM festival organizers (with insert) and via mailorder through BtH > and Sonic Images (without insert.) These were pressed in the US, and some > _may_ have ended up in a import/specialty shop for 'retail' sale. > > The second version was the first retail version, available only in France > _and_ Germany. It had different mixes of 'SToaCF' and 'TtMS', and the cat. > number, booklet and inserts were the same, save for the different running > times indicated on the back. > > The third (and hopefully _last_) version is the second retail version, > finally available here in the US, as well as the UK. The versions of > 'SToaCF' and 'TtMS' are yet again remixed, with 'TtMS' having a new ending > (the last 6:15, AKA 'TtMS Ambient Mix'), and an expanded booklet is > provided. > > Hope this helped... OK, I'm willing to take goozer's summary as definitive :-) Can someone put catalogue numbers to these? I have SICD 8110 and SI 8504-2. Are these 1 and 3 or 2 and 3? Thanks, Mark PS to Steven Feldman... SBM stands for Super Bit-Mapping Mark Dobie mrd@e... University of Southampton http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~mrd/cv.html <------ Queen discographies under here random signature number three From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 1:59 pm Subject: Redshift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) From this months SMD magazine :- 'Mark Shreeve informs us that work is nearing completion on the next REDSHIFT album, tentatively titled 'Ether', which is a recording of his Jodrell Bank appearance'. Pre-orders Ash? :-) Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6971 Re: Redshift Paul Nagle Tue 9/9/1997 3 KB 6982 Redshift Lawry Simm Tue 9/9/1997 2 KB 6991 Redshift Tom Coppens Sun 9/7/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 2:14 pm Subject: Re: Stratosfear 1994 or 1995?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Kev Holmes tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung > > Hello, > > I recently compared my few versions of Tyranny of Beauty CDs and noticed > one interesting thing: the Stratosfear track was either titled > 'Stratosfear 1994' or 'Stratosfear 1995'. My little discovery is as > follows: > > Dutch CD Virgin 7243 840275 2 0 'Stratosfear 1994' > UK CD AMP-CD 027 'Stratosfear 1994' > US CD Miramar 0900-2304-2 'Stratosfear 1995' > Austrian CD TDI 002 CD 'Stratosfear 1995' > > I guess releases from other countries also exist (such as Italy). Can > anybody add more to the list above?? > > Also funny is that this piece of music was intended for 'Tangent' (1994) > but dropped. So why the TDI CD got it as 'Stratosfear 1995'?? Aha! A little piece of confusion has been resolved for me. I entered Jerome'scompetition to predict which tracks would be played at the London concert last year. I put the entry together in a hurry and predicted that 'Stratosfear 1994' would be played (which it was). He subsequently sent me email suggesting that I had meant 'Stratosfear 1995' and I assumed that I had a little finger-slippage in the entry - after all, he wouldn't have got it wrong, would he! I've never gone back to check the tracklist. Since I have a copy of the UK pressing, I now assume that I was right according to the copy I had, but the official title of the track (at least according to Jerome) is 'Stratosfear 1995'. > > > Jeffrey Au-Yeung Cheers, Kev -- | Kev Holmes | email: kholmes@r... | | Technical Account Manager | | | Rational Software Corp. | Mobile: +44 (0)385 307337 | | CW House, | Direct: +44 (0)1344 462533 | | Cookham Road, | Office: +44 (0)1344 462500 | | Bracknell | Fax: +44 (0)1344 462501 | | Berkshire, UK RG12 1RR | URL: http://www.rational.com | From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 2:40 pm Subject: Re: Stratosfear 1994 or 1995?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 08:58 PM 9/8/97 +0800, you wrote: >Really-From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung > >I recently compared my few versions of Tyranny of Beauty CDs and noticed >one interesting thing: the Stratosfear track was either titled >'Stratosfear 1994' or 'Stratosfear 1995'. >Also funny is that this piece of music was intended for 'Tangent' (1994) >but dropped. So why the TDI CD got it as 'Stratosfear 1995'?? From what I know, this is simply a labeling mistake and in fact, all of the recordings of this track (94/95) are identical. Just to confuse you some more, TD also played Stratosfear in 1986... It sounds very good. It is not officially released anywhere. Morgan feldon@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6964 Re: Stratosfear 1994 or 1995?? Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 9/9/1997 3 KB 6970 Re: Stratosfear 1994 or 1995?? Dave Brewer Mon 9/8/1997 3 KB 6965 Tangerine Ambience II Sean Montgomery Mon 9/8/1997 4 KB 6976 CD Now's TD list Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 9/9/1997 8 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 4:15 pm Subject: Re: Stratosfear 1994 or 1995?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: feldon@p... > >From what I know, this is simply a labeling mistake and in fact, all of the >recordings of this track (94/95) are identical. Just to confuse you some >more, TD also played Stratosfear in 1986... It sounds very good. It is not >officially released anywhere. For those who don't know, it appears on the Sonambulistic Imagery boot. I'm not so keen on it. It sounds like 'Stratosfear Revisited', with some rather over-zealous and poorly timed (IMHO, of course) percussive accompaniment to the original melody. Mind you, at least the additions do sound LIVE, but lets not start that old thread again. ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6970 Re: Stratosfear 1994 or 1995?? Dave Brewer Mon 9/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 3:04 pm Subject: Tangerine Ambience II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery Well....I got my copy of this one on Saturday. Overall, I like it more than the first volume, but it's not spectacular. These songs are perhaps best compared to orchestras interpreting pieces of classical music, than to bands covering contemporary work. And on that level, the new interpretations don't add a great deal. The new version of Stratosfear is better than the one TD did themselves on Tyranny, but that's not saying much. :-) The White Eagle sounds too much like the X-Files theme for my liking. Tangram Part One, even if it was played analogue, sounds every bit as disjointed and jumpy as recent TD digital work that people dislike. Logos and Tangram Part Two are pretty good though, particularly the latter, which gets practically Dream-Mix like. I suppose the best that can be said here is that these bands seem to genuinely like and appreciate the source material (to the point of being content to slavishly immitate it), as opposed to The Orb's recent remix, which showed their contempt. Still, there is nothing here (even the Rubycon bits), can be called 'Ambient'! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'A paranoiac is someone in possession of the facts' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6976 CD Now's TD list Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 9/9/1997 8 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 3:23 pm Subject: Re: Stratosfear 1994 or 1995?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) I have the two versions and they sound identical. The only clue I can see is that one disc's copyright date is 1994 (the AMP release) and the TDI one's 1995. I only presume the title was changed to tie up with the year of release. Lawry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 4:24 pm Subject: CD Prices ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) I'm sure everyone in the UK knows what a rip-off UK CD prices are, but how about a nice illustration. Tangents is available for £56.99 and 220 Volt Live £13.99. Basically 70 pounds for the pair. I just bought them both via the internet from CD universe (www.cduniverse.com) after seeing them mentioned on the list for a grand total of $78 (includes air mail shipping) which is about 50 pounds. You people in the States dont know how lucky you are! :-) Lawry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 4:34 pm Subject: Re: D; Tenchi-Muyo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: Michael A Jean > >I have heard ther are several different covers on this release...Who else >has one? Mine is silver colored.... Here are the releases that I know of that relate to Tenchi-Muyo In Love: Full Length CDs: 1. Tenchi-Muyo! in Love - Japan Pioneer PICA-1097 Colorful animation cover, booklet + Japanese spine, 1996 2. Tenchi The Movie - US Pioneer/Sonic Images PICD-1001A Foldout digipak with silver cover, 1996 Other CDs: 1. Alchemy of Love (3 versions) - Japan Pioneer PIDA 1030 3' CD single in special foldout packaging, 1996 2. Panime Special Sampler: Tenchi The Movie/Armitage III - US Pioneer PICD-PROM1, promo only w/4 C. Franke tracks, 1996 Any others out there? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 4:42 pm Subject: Re: *How* Many Versions of 'Morphing Space'?!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: Mark Dobie >OK, I'm willing to take goozer's summary as definitive :-) > >Can someone put catalogue numbers to these? > >I have SICD 8110 and SI 8504-2. > >Are these 1 and 3 or 2 and 3? > Releases 1 & 2 have the same catalog numbers of SICD 8110. Release 3 has the catalog number SI 8504-2. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 6:35 pm Subject: Re: Stratosfear 1994 or 1995?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > > > For those who don't know, it appears on the Sonambulistic Imagery boot. I'm not > so keen on it. It sounds like 'Stratosfear Revisited', with some rather > over-zealous and poorly timed (IMHO, of course) percussive accompaniment to the > original melody. > This sounds like the Stratosfear performance on disc 3 of the 3 Tier Dream boot as well. (I know it's a different venue from SI, tho) Rather interesting, but I think that all the new parts that are added tend to drown out the original Stratosfear material, making it a little hard to follow at times. Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 3:16 am Subject: Re: Redshift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle On Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:59:41 +0100, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >'Mark Shreeve informs us that work is nearing completion on the next REDSHIFT >album, tentatively titled 'Ether', which is a recording of his Jodrell Bank >appearance'. I've just added a link to the new Red Shift page at www.softroom.demon.co.uk/tot_link.htm Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Redshift's ETHER ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman So, 'Redshift' is Mark Shreeve's pseudonym for TD homages, or is there another explanation? I ask this because I don't want to buy the second Redshift release just to find that this is Shreeve's tribute to (gack) Kraftwerk, (urk) Vangelis, or (eep) Tomita! ;) -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: No Such Thing as 'Phaedra (extended)'? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman So, am I right in gathering that the listing for there being a track called 'Phaedra (extended)' on TANGERINE DREAM '70-'80 was a gaffe on the part of Virgin . . . insofar as their listed time for 'Pheadra' on their PHAEDRA LP was incorrect in the first place? -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6999 Re: No Such Thing as 'Phaedra (extended)'? Hermes Guzman Wed 9/10/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 11:45 pm Subject: RE: Dominion MPEG3 File Now Online! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jim Moore >The 'Orange' MPEG-3 file is now zipped up and online at >http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/orange.html >Morgan Morgan, Let me express my thanks for makeing this available. It sounds great... My only regret is the download time; on a bad night it can take me several attempts to get a couple of meg down the pipe... Now... I've GOT to get the rest of this CD (R?). Anyone want to burn a copy for me, or does anyone know where I can buy a copy? - jim 'A committee is a cul-de-sac down which ideas are lured and then quietly strangled.' -- Sir Barnett Cocks jimbo@v... A.K.A. Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 7:46 pm Subject: Tangerine Ambience 2 in 'Musical Starstreams' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes 'Musical Starstreams' radioshow #7308 presented 2 tracks from the recent album 'Tangerine Ambience Vol.2'. The tracks were White Eagle (4th song in the show), and Rubycon Part 1 (10th). You can still listen to this show in RealAudio at http://www.starstreams.com/ There, you will find also the complete playlist for that show. BTW, you can't skip directly to the TA tracks, you'll have to listen to the former songs, just like on the radio! Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 1:42 am Subject: CD Now's TD list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Since there is always someone looking for something, here is the cut&paste off of CD Now's listing for TD. Prices can be beaten, I am sure, but the service here has always been outstanding. Now I wish I had bought some stock in the company. Lookee at the 'Tournado' American pre-release price. Sheeeesh.... and when I think about what I paid for it.....:-( Best to all, Andrew ------- Tangerine Dream SORT BY: ALPHABETICALLY The following titles have not been released yet, but they are available to order now. If you are unfamiliar with our policies regarding advance ordering, please read about advance ordering in our Policies. Tournado SALE BUY IT CD $13.96 In stock '93 220 Volt Live BUY IT CD $11.77 TAPE $ 7.98 Alpha Centauri BUY IT CD $12.77 '73 Atem BUY IT CD $12.77 '95 Book Of Dreams BUY IT CD $17.36 TAPE $ 9.98 '91 Canyon Dreams BUY IT CD $14.37 TAPE $ 9.77 '95 Dream Mixes BUY IT CD $14.37 TAPE $ 9.77 Dream Music BUY IT CD $15.36 TAPE $ 9.98 '95 Dream Music II-Movie Music Of BUY IT CD $15.36 Electronic Meditation BUY IT CD $12.77 '77 Encore-Live BUY IT CD $11.77 '81 Exit BUY IT CD $ 9.97 TAPE $ 5.78 '84 Flashpoint BUY IT CD $11.77 '96 Goblin's Club BUY IT CD $14.37 '97 Grammy Nominated Albums 'Brick BUY IT CD $37.37 '86 Green Desert BUY IT CD $12.77 Hyperborea BUY IT CD $11.77 Le Parc BUY IT CD $12.77 Lily On The Beach BUY IT CD $14.96 TAPE $ 7.78 '88 Live Miles BUY IT CD $12.77 '83 Logos-(Live At The Dominion '8 BUY IT CD $11.77 Melrose BUY IT CD $14.96 TAPE $ 7.78 Optical Race BUY IT CD $14.96 TAPE $ 7.78 Pergamon BUY IT CD $12.77 '74 Phaedra BUY IT CD $12.77 Poland BUY IT CD $12.77 '92 Private Music Of Tangerine Dre BUY IT CD $14.96 TAPE $ 7.78 '75 Ricochet BUY IT CD $12.77 '92 Rockoon BUY IT CD $14.37 TAPE $ 9.77 '75 Rubycon BUY IT CD $12.77 '76 Stratosfear BUY IT CD $12.77 '94 Tangents: 1973-83 BUY IT CD $54.77 '83 Tangram BUY IT CD $11.77 '94 Turn Of The Tides BUY IT CD $14.37 TAPE $ 9.77 '87 Tyger BUY IT CD $12.77 '95 Tyranny Of Beauty BUY IT CD $14.37 TAPE $ 9.77 '86 Underwater Sunlight BUY IT CD $12.77 White Eagle BUY IT CD $11.77 '72 Zeit BUY IT CD $12.77 IMPORTS Best Of BUY IT CD $23.88 Book Of Dreams (2cd) BUY IT CD $26.75 Dream Mixes+6 Track Ep BUY IT CD $25.32 Dream Roots Collection (5 CD) BUY IT CD $52.10 Dream Sequence (Best Of)(2cd) BUY IT CD $54.88 Live Miles (Remastered) BUY IT CD $13.72 Phaedra BUY IT CD $21.00 Poland (Remastered) BUY IT CD $13.72 Ricochet BUY IT CD $21.00 Rubycon BUY IT CD $21.00 S/T BUY IT CD $13.72 Tangram BUY IT CD $21.00 Thief BUY IT CD $19.55 Thief. BUY IT CD $21.00 Tournado BUY IT CD $25.32 Underwater Sunlight BUY IT CD $15.19 Limited World Tour Edition 199 BUY IT CD $22.44 Shepherds Bush BUY IT CD $21.00 Towards The Evening Star BUY IT CD $12.25 VIDEOS All videos (VHS and laserdisc) are in NTSC (North American) format unless specified. Canyon Dreams* BUY IT LD $32.70 VHS $14.90 Three Phase* BUY IT LD $32.70 VHS $14.90 Video Dreams* BUY IT LD $32.70 VHS $21.30 The Ultimate Band List Alternative Buyers Guide CDnow FastFind Language Select Copyright © 1994-97 CDnow, Inc. All rights reserved. Copyright © 1948-1997 Muze Inc. All Rights Reserved. For personal, non-commercial use only. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 2:21 am Subject: LIVE CD's wanted ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Herod, Galen (NBC)' Where can I find these TD live CD's: Acoustic LSD Patrolling Space Borders Coefficient of Aural Expansion I would settle for Audio cassettes. HEROD@N... Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6980 Re: LIVE CD's wanted Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 9/9/1997 3 KB 6983 Re: LIVE CD's wanted Michael Richard Tue 9/9/1997 3 KB 7001 Re: LIVE CD's wanted Michael Fox Wed 9/10/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 4:23 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'neil vanlaten' >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >I suppose the best that can be said here is that these bands seem to >genuinely like and appreciate the source material (to the point of >being content to slavishly immitate it), as opposed to The Orb's >recent remix, which showed their contempt. I'm both a big TD and ORB fan. I've read both positive and negative remarks about the Towards an Evening Star remix. Several ORB remixes lately (i.e. Rick Wright 'Runaway' promo CD5) exhibit the drum n bass style. I find it highly unlikely that the ORB have contempt towards TD, Rick Wright and others but instead admire them as fellow great artists. Anyway, just another viewpoint. Neil ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6993 Re: Tangerine Ambience II feldon@p... Tue 9/9/1997 3 KB 6994 Re: Tangerine Ambience II Sean Montgomery Wed 9/10/1997 3 KB 6995 Re: Tangerine Ambience II feldon@p... Wed 9/10/1997 3 KB 7004 Re: Tangerine Ambience II anunes@m... Wed 9/10/1997 2 KB 7056 Re: Tangerine Ambience II PhilPDX@a... Sat 9/13/1997 2 KB 8694 Tangerine Ambience II K.E Fri 11/14/1997 4 KB 12947 Tangerine Ambience II Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 4/15/1998 3 KB 12957 Re: Tangerine Ambience II Lawry Simm Wed 4/15/1998 3 KB 12961 Re: Tangerine Ambience II Kees Wed 4/15/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 4:41 am Subject: Re: *How* Many Versions of ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'neil vanlaten' Vic writes >Releases 1 & 2 have the same catalog numbers of SICD 8110. >Release 3 has the catalog number SI 8504-2. > Since both release 1 & 2 have the same catalog numbers how do we tell them apart? I believe someone mentioned the track running time is different. If so, it would be great if someone would list these referencing which release. Neil ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6990 Re: *How* Many Versions of Vic Rek Tue 9/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 4:45 am Subject: Re: LIVE CD's wanted ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 10:21 PM 9/8/97 -0400, Mr. Herod of NBC wrote: >Where can I find these TD live CD's: > >Acoustic LSD >Patrolling Space Borders >Coefficient of Aural Expansion > > >I would settle for Audio cassettes. >HEROD@N... [....] Mr. Herod, I am convinced that all the CDs owned by the readership of this list are inanimate. However, if by 'live' you mean BOOTLEGS, I am sorry to report that nobody here owns any. Regretfully, Andrew P.S. May I recommend a change in domains? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 8:15 am Subject: Stratosfear versions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Kepler Yesterday someone mentioned that they thought that 'Stroatosfear 1995' (a.k.a. 'Stratosfear 1994') on Tyranny of Beauty was recorded for Tangents. I just listened, and the ToB and Tangents versions of Stratosfear are very different. The Tangents version is a remixed and overdubbed version of the original recording and is over 10 minutes long. The ToB version is a new recording from scratch and is only a little over 5 minutes long. They are both good in their own ways. By the way, my 70-80 booklet scans are going to have to go away really soon because I have some other stuff I want to put on my web site and I'm already over my limit. Take a look while you can, it will be gone in a couple of days: http://www.ipinc.net/~kepler/TD/index.html Thanks, Michael Kepler Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6988 Re: Stratosfear versions Gabe Yedid Tue 9/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 8:26 am Subject: Redshift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) SMD introduced REDSHIFT as Mark Shreeve _plus band_. Implying that it's not just Mark and his TD tribute, but a group of musicians. Of course, only Mark is credited on the album so whether that was just for the live performance I don't know. Maybe someone who has had a look at the new REDSHIFT page (thanks Paul) can tell us all more. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 10:49 am Subject: Re: LIVE CD's wanted ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Richard Hi! > Where can I find these TD live CD's: > > Acoustic LSD > Patrolling Space Borders > Coefficient of Aural Expansion I've Patrolling Space Borders just in front of me. But it's not mine and I'm sure that it's not to sell. But if you want a copy, there's a possibility to exchange tapes... See ya! :) Michael (: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 12:26 pm Subject: Re: *How* Many Versions of 'Morphing Space'?!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: cosmos@c... tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > > Yo- > > >Really-From: Vic Rek > >>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >> > >>Read my above quote as follows: > >>1st 'KLEM/Mailorder' version > >>2nd 'French retail remixed' version > >>3rd 'official retail' version > >> > >>As you can see, the 1st version was sold at the KLEM festival _and_ offered > >>via mailorder; the 2nd version of K was the first remix _and_ retail > >>version, available only in France; and the 3rd version is the 2nd > >>remix/'worldwide' 'official retail' version. > > > >OK, here is my version of the Klemania releases: > >1st version - regular store release, 1993 (mine is pressed in the US) > >2nd version - KLEM/Europe release, 1993 (pressed in Austria) > > (this one also contained the special numbered KLEM promo insert) > >3rd version - regular store re-release with expanded booklet, 1995 > > > >Also tracks times: 1st 2nd 3rd > >1. Scattered Thoughts of a Canyon Flight 22:05 22:05 22:27 > >2. Inside the Morphing Space (remix on 2nd) 20:07 20:56 21:01 > >3. Silent Waves 4:10 4:10 4:10 > > > >Two more comments. > >1. I'm pretty sure I bought the first version in a retail store in 1993, so > >KLEM/mailorder is in conflict. > >2. I never heard of a French only release? Please provide more supporting > >documentation. > > OK. All information that follows comes from Voyager (issues 6, 7, 8, 10), > Beyond The Horizon (vols. 2/2, 2/4, 3/3) and Sonic Images press sheets. > > The first version was a limited edition of 3000 copies, provided both to > the KLEM festival organizers (with insert) and via mailorder through BtH > and Sonic Images (without insert.) These were pressed in the US, and some > _may_ have ended up in a import/specialty shop for 'retail' sale. > > The second version was the first retail version, available only in France > _and_ Germany. It had different mixes of 'SToaCF' and 'TtMS', and the cat. > number, booklet and inserts were the same, save for the different running > times indicated on the back. > > The third (and hopefully _last_) version is the second retail version, > finally available here in the US, as well as the UK. The versions of > 'SToaCF' and 'TtMS' are yet again remixed, with 'TtMS' having a new ending > (the last 6:15, AKA 'TtMS Ambient Mix'), and an expanded booklet is > provided. > > Hope this helped... > > goozer unsubscribe tadream From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 12:27 pm Subject: Re: *How* Many Versions of 'Morphing Space'?!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: cosmos@c... tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > > Yo- > > >Really-From: Vic Rek > >>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >> > >>Read my above quote as follows: > >>1st 'KLEM/Mailorder' version > >>2nd 'French retail remixed' version > >>3rd 'official retail' version > >> > >>As you can see, the 1st version was sold at the KLEM festival _and_ offered > >>via mailorder; the 2nd version of K was the first remix _and_ retail > >>version, available only in France; and the 3rd version is the 2nd > >>remix/'worldwide' 'official retail' version. > > > >OK, here is my version of the Klemania releases: > >1st version - regular store release, 1993 (mine is pressed in the US) > >2nd version - KLEM/Europe release, 1993 (pressed in Austria) > > (this one also contained the special numbered KLEM promo insert) > >3rd version - regular store re-release with expanded booklet, 1995 > > > >Also tracks times: 1st 2nd 3rd > >1. Scattered Thoughts of a Canyon Flight 22:05 22:05 22:27 > >2. Inside the Morphing Space (remix on 2nd) 20:07 20:56 21:01 > >3. Silent Waves 4:10 4:10 4:10 > > > >Two more comments. > >1. I'm pretty sure I bought the first version in a retail store in 1993, so > >KLEM/mailorder is in conflict. > >2. I never heard of a French only release? Please provide more supporting > >documentation. > > OK. All information that follows comes from Voyager (issues 6, 7, 8, 10), > Beyond The Horizon (vols. 2/2, 2/4, 3/3) and Sonic Images press sheets. > > The first version was a limited edition of 3000 copies, provided both to > the KLEM festival organizers (with insert) and via mailorder through BtH > and Sonic Images (without insert.) These were pressed in the US, and some > _may_ have ended up in a import/specialty shop for 'retail' sale. > > The second version was the first retail version, available only in France > _and_ Germany. It had different mixes of 'SToaCF' and 'TtMS', and the cat. > number, booklet and inserts were the same, save for the different running > times indicated on the back. > > The third (and hopefully _last_) version is the second retail version, > finally available here in the US, as well as the UK. The versions of > 'SToaCF' and 'TtMS' are yet again remixed, with 'TtMS' having a new ending > (the last 6:15, AKA 'TtMS Ambient Mix'), and an expanded booklet is > provided. > > Hope this helped... > > goozer subscribe tadream-digest From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 12:27 pm Subject: Curious place ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hello, I just wanted to give you this link http://gemm.com/ There use the keyword tangerine and you'll see every TD official CD or LP, the stores that has it and it's price. So you can compare the best buy for a particular record. You'll find a lot of curious things too.. Enjoy ---F From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 2:13 pm Subject: change to digest ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Suessmann unsubscribe tadream subscribe tadream-digest From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 3:18 pm Subject: Re: Stratosfear versions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Michael Kepler > > > Yesterday someone mentioned that they thought that 'Stroatosfear 1995' > (a.k.a. 'Stratosfear 1994') on Tyranny of Beauty was recorded for Tangents. It was. Virgin just about keeled over when they heard it and asked the band for something less radical, thus, the overdubbed version that did appear on _Tangents_. Edgar and Jerome liked the new version, though, and kept it for release on their next studio album--_ToB_. > > Michael Kepler Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 5:14 pm Subject: New Red Shift release ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ashok prema Gentlemen (& Ladies), Be Patient!! 'Ether' will be out quite soon - however, there is a tasty 8 min morsel on the forthcoming compilation which will be out sooner. In the US both Progtron & Eurock will stock copies - my advice is to get in an advance order with these - or at least register your interest. You have been warned!!! Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 7:03 pm Subject: Re: *How* Many Versions of ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: 'neil vanlaten' > >>Releases 1 & 2 have the same catalog numbers of SICD 8110. >>Release 3 has the catalog number SI 8504-2. >> > >Since both release 1 & 2 have the same catalog numbers how do we tell >them apart? I believe someone mentioned the track running time is >different. If so, it would be great if someone would list these >referencing which release. Yes, these issues were mentioned before so I'll include them here. Goozer wrote: > The second version was the first retail version, available only in France > _and_ Germany. It had different mixes of 'SToaCF' and 'TtMS', and the cat. > number, booklet and inserts were the same, save for the different running > times indicated on the back. I wrote: >Also tracks times: 1st 2nd 3rd >1. Scattered Thoughts of a Canyon Flight 22:05 22:05 22:27 >2. Inside the Morphing Space (remix on 2nd) 20:07 20:56 21:01 >3. Silent Waves 4:10 4:10 4:10 Note: These times are the ones listed on the back inserts. The second issue has '(remix)' listed after track 2. Hope this helps. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 7, 1997 9:26 am Subject: Redshift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Coppens Hi everyone, > So, 'Redshift' is Mark Shreeve's pseudonym for TD homages, or is there another explanation? I ask this because I don't want to buy the second Redshift release just to find that this is Shreeve's tribute to (gack) Kraftwerk, (urk) Vangelis, or (eep) Tomita! ;) -- Steven Feldman > Well, as I had an interview with Mark for KLEM some time ago: here a little preview ;-) Q: What's the general idea behind the Redshift project A:' Mainly to create an album of dark, flowing and true electronic music. I wanted to use heavy 'synthesized' sounds rather than trying to get a shit acoustic guitar type sound from a JD 800 or whatever. I wanted to capture an atmosphere of organic but somehow 'other-worldly' music ...therefore there wouldn't be many overtly strong tunes as such, but more in the way of atmospheric frontier music (hmm!) ' the interview will be published in a future KLEM issue (shameless plug ;-) )...But since many of you don't speak Dutch I'll also send a copy in English to the list when it's published and if enough people are interested. BTW, I also have a quite extensive Ian Boddy interview from last year and another one with Andy Pickford (which is in the latest issue of KLEM), someone interested ? Ian Boddy is in my very humble opinion one of the most gifted and versatile composers and performers in the EM bizz. Wave ~~~~ Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 8:09 pm Subject: tangents price ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) > >I'm sure everyone in the UK knows what a rip-off UK CD prices are, but >how about a nice illustration. > >Tangents is available for 56.99 and 220 Volt Live 13.99. Basically >70 pounds for the pair. I just bought them both via the internet from >CD universe (www.cduniverse.com) after seeing them mentioned on the >list [...] yes, you folks are getting ripped (my sympathies). so I probably shouldn't tell you that I saw a place in london back in may that had 4-5 copies of tangents for about 30 pounds each ... lars (finally coming up for air) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 8:27 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... Has everyone downloaded the 'Tangerine Dream Logos-Orange' sound file off my webpage who wanted it? If so, I'm going to take it down and upload about 3 minutes of Tangerine Ambience II. Anyone got any suggestions about which track/segment to upload? By the way, my short review: Tangerine Ambience I (overall 3AS) Tangerine Ambience II (haven't listened to it all yet) Stratosfear 2AS White Eagle 2AS Tangram 2 1/2 AS Logos 2 1/2 AS Morgan feldon@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6994 Re: Tangerine Ambience II Sean Montgomery Wed 9/10/1997 3 KB 6995 Re: Tangerine Ambience II feldon@p... Wed 9/10/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 8:27 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Anyone got any suggestions about which track/segment to upload? Overall, I like Tangram Part Two the best. I'd give it a 3AS. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'A paranoiac is someone in possession of the facts' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6995 Re: Tangerine Ambience II feldon@p... Wed 9/10/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 11:28 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 04:27 PM 9/9/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >> Anyone got any suggestions about which track/segment to upload? > >Overall, I like Tangram Part Two the best. I'd give it a 3AS. Agreed. That is an excellent version. Logos is really odd. They squeeze 21 minutes of it into 10 minutes. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: How About Stratosfear 94-95 in the TD FAQ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Stratosfear versions >Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:18:52 -0400 (EDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > >On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > >> Really-From: Michael Kepler >> >> Yesterday someone mentioned that they thought that 'Stroatosfear 1995' >> (a.k.a. 'Stratosfear 1994') on Tyranny of Beauty was recorded for >> Tangents. > >It was. Virgin just about keeled over when they heard it and asked the >band for something less radical, thus, the overdubbed version that did >appear on _Tangents_. Edgar and Jerome liked the new version, though, >and kept it for release on their next studio album--_ToB_. > >Gabe > >real email addresses: gabe@c... > gyedid@p... The above sounds like good copy for the TD FAQ. -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: KLEM Interviews w/ Boddy, Pickford & Shreeve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Redshift >Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 11:26:05 +0200 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Tom Coppens > >[. . .] I had an interview with Mark for KLEM some time ago: here a >little preview ;-) > >Q: What's the general idea behind the Redshift project > >A:' Mainly to create an album of dark, flowing and true electronic music. I >wanted to use heavy 'synthesized' sounds rather than trying to get a shit >acoustic guitar type sound from a JD 800 or whatever. I wanted to capture an >atmosphere of organic but somehow 'other-worldly' music ...therefore there >wouldn't be many overtly strong tunes as such, but more in the way of >atmospheric frontier music (hmm!) ' Yay! Thank you for this very encouraging news!!! :) :) :) >the interview will be published in a future KLEM issue (shameless plug ;-) >)...But since many of you don't speak Dutch I'll also send a copy in >English to the list when it's published and if enough people are >interested. Yes, definitely; please send a copy to this list!!! >BTW, I also have a quite extensive Ian Boddy interview from last year >and another one with Andy Pickford (which is in the latest issue of >KLEM), someone interested? [. . .] Again, yes, definitely. Too bad Elana's GoldTri list doesn't exist anymore, because that would be the perfect spot, since there're bound to some folk on this here list who will complain--although I'd just as soon read highly-informed info on Boddy & Pickford (neither of whom I am familiar with) rather than stuff about Klaus Schulze. >[. . .] Ian Boddy is in my very humble opinion one of the most >gifted and versatile composers and performers in the EM bizz. I've heard much the same said about Pickford, too. That's why I've love to hear what you and/or KLEM have to say about them! -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7002 Re: KLEM Interviews w/ Boddy, Pickford & Shreeve Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Wed 9/10/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: COMPASSION ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, I went to the website and did a search on Tangerine Dream. Among the items was a Virgin LP called COMPASSION, listed as new for $13.00. What in the #$&^%*@ is *this*? If this is a rarity, and someone here buys it, please make me a cassette copy??? -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7000 Re: COMPASSION Sean Montgomery Wed 9/10/1997 3 KB 7052 Re: COMPASSION TangerineC@a... Sat 9/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: No Such Thing as 'Phaedra (extended)'? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Hey all- >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > So, am I right in gathering that the listing for there being a >track called 'Phaedra (extended)' on TANGERINE DREAM '70-'80 was a gaffe >on the part of Virgin . . . insofar as their listed time for 'Pheadra' >on their PHAEDRA LP was incorrect in the first place? Ummm...my original Virgin first pressing of _Phaedra_ has _no_ track times indicated _anywhere_, nor does the 70-80 booklet list 'Phaedra' as being extended (I'm looking at both of them right now.) If there is an LP version that has the track times on it, and it lists 'Phaedra' at 16:30, then it is wrong. goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 10, 1997 2:34 am Subject: Re: COMPASSION ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > I went to the website and did a search on Tangerine > Dream. Among the items was a Virgin LP called COMPASSION Yeah, I see it now too. My best guess is that it's a mistake. It's listed as being an LP on the Virgin label. Would Virgin be making an LP-only release and just to one CD shop? Unless of course the Virgin part is what's wrong, in which case it might be some obscure bootleg. But I doubt it. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'A paranoiac is someone in possession of the facts'