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Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 8:05
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Subject: LAST CALL: STEVE ROACH/VIDNA OBMANA concert in Netherlands
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Really-From: 'Snelders, Eric'
ON NOVEMBER 1, 1997
----------------------------------------------------
STEVE ROACH & VIDNA OBMANA
----------------------------------------------------
will perform a unique, once-off concert in
THEATER 3-IN-1
HUIZEN
THE NETHERLANDS
with supporting act: FREE SYSTEM PROJECT
ORGANISED BY ALFA-CENTAURI (5 year anniversary concert)
BOX OFFICE OPENS AT 18.00 HOURS
FIRST CONCERT AT 19.00 HOURS
LAST CONCERT ENDS APPROX. 23.00 HOURS
TICKETS: ADVANCED BOOKINGS (until october 15) FL 20,-
BOX OFFICE: FL 22,50
more info: ALFA-CENTAURI, PO BOX 1131, NL-1270 BC HUIZEN, THE NETHERLANDS
or email: eric.snelders@d...
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Subject: Re: D: <> <> <> Electronic Dreams <> <> <>
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Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-10-06 10:48:11 EDT, you write:
<< lars
ciao
phil job good
>>
Happy to lighten your path.
Phil
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In a message dated 97-10-06 10:42:46 EDT, you write:
<< By primitive, do you mean the rather 'dated' sound with respect to the
instruments being used, perhaps?>>
Gabe >>
Exactly!! I probably used the wrong phrase. I actually _like_
these hand made instruments. It echos back to the dawn of time when the
musician made musical instruments from a variety of whatever would make a
sound. The computerization of waveform and post processing have removed the
function of making music from nature, somewhat. Probably why some people on
this list prefer analog synthesizers.
Phil Naunton
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Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 7:13
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Subject: Re: D: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE/ELECTRONIC DREAMS
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In a message dated 97-10-06 10:42:46 EDT, you write:
<< By primitive, do you mean the rather 'dated' sound with respect to the
instruments being used, perhaps?>>
Gabe >>
Exactly!! I probably used the wrong phrase. I actually _like_
these hand made instruments. It echos back to the dawn of time when the
musician made musical instruments from a variety of whatever would make a
sound. The computerization of waveform and post processing have removed the
function of making music from nature, somewhat. Probably why some people on
this list prefer analog synthesizers.
Phil Naunton
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Subject: KLEM
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Really-From: John Christian
Hi All,
We'll be there...home will be the SMD stand...or the bar.
I think RMI will still be on stage at 3:00: Plan B anyone?
How about getting together for some food and/or drink on Friday? How
many are arriving then?
JC
--
John Christian
for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc.
for AirSculpture
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Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 7:45
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Subject: robert forman are you still on the list?
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Robert Forman, are you still on the list?
if so, please contact me privately
thanks
lars jones
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Gabe writes:
>While one can debate about what constitutes 'orthodox minimalism', I'd
>say most of _Ages_ foots that bill better than _Epsilon_.
-- so, what do you think constitues 'orthodox minimalism'? -- please
define.
I'm not trying to flame or argue, inquiring minds just want to know!
lars
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: Whoops re EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE Title Track
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: Re: D: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE/ELECTRONIC DREAMS
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:53:38 -0400 (EDT)
>Really-From: PNaunton@a...
>
><< > This one I can really get into. The dark sentiment, translated
> >from the combination of ambient textures and colorations, is beautiful.
>
> Well, we agree, here, anyways. ;) :) >>
>Steven Feldman>>
>
> Steven, do you need to kick the dog when you get home? This
>is the only thing I wrote that you agree with? [. . .]
No, of course not, I just meant that here is one of the places we
agree very much. It is sort of rhetorical. The comment just seemed to
fit. I didn't mean to imply that I agreed with nothing else you said.
>[. . .] Can you at least respect my opinions? [. . .]
Yes.
>[. . .] I'm not exactly an iconoclast!
I used to be. I guess that's what gets me going, sometimes. ;)
I hardly ever contribute to the D: discussions, but since EPSILON
is my all-time fave TD-related album, I had to say *something*, and I
guess I just took the easy way out by responding to your pithy post
rather than writing something intelligent from scratch. I am not a
musician, so that's why I missed the point with your comment about
chords.
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: Apologies from a Graceless Computer Ignoramus
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: Re: Complaints from a Computer Ignoramus
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 22:13:23 -0500
>Really-From: feldon@p...
>
>>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>>
>> I don't know how to compress sound files. The recording is not in
>>stereo.
>> Let me make this clear to the people here who were born with a
>>silver mouse in their hands: I don't own a computer and never have.
>
>I was not aware of this. Please tell me where to send the $5 or whatever
>for shipping on this tape. I'll have it online within 24 hours after
>receiving the tape. [. . .]
Hmmm. This leaves me with two choices. Either I call Mark Filipak
and ask him to send it to you (for which I'll need your snail-mail
address), or you send the $2.00 the CD'll probably need to Mark Filipak
yourself (Mark Filipak; 333 Cobalt Way, Suite 107; Sunnyvale, CA 94086).
>[. . .] You have contributed so much to this list and I apologize if I
>have offended you. I too started learning the internet at a university.
Eep! I didn't mean for you to take it personally. I was just
griping about how too many folks on usenet assume that everyone online
is a computer science major or algorithmic prodigy. I apologize, too.
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 10:00
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Subject: RE: Dead Solid Perfect
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
YES 'JUST GOT IT THANKS TOM!!!! I LOVE IT!!!
----------
From: TangerineC@a...
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 1997 12:16 PM
To: BRUNO@c...
Subject: Dead Solid Perfect
Hi. Just writing to ask you if you got the cd yet. let me know. Thanks. Tom
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Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 10:08
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Subject: too early to tell
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
Preliminary indications say that C. Franke had some input into the new
Haslinger Video! Could be interesting...
MJ
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Shadhin.com server down temporarily...maybe?
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Subject: RE: too early to tell
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Preliminary indications say that C. Franke had some input into the new
Haslinger Video! Could be interesting...
MJ
Yes, but what are the chances this will ever be broadcast on MTV? next to none
I'd say. Maybe Vh1 or m2. By the way, do you guys know if Td or the like get
more airplay overseas? Are the regularly on German radio/tv?
Are their albums easier to find over there in shops? I've always wanted to know.
Chris
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Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 10:56
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Subject: Shadhin.com server down temporarily...maybe?
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Really-From: feldon@p...
My account with Shadhin.com is current (And paid too!), yet their server
has been completely dead for the past 48 hours. I've already sent them some
serious mail. Even their regular page (www.shadhin.com) appears to be down.
So for the time being, it's going to be hit-or-miss with that server. For
those of you with a little extra $$ in your pocket, you can easily find
10-15 MB of webspace for $10-15 a month as long as you get 'minimal traffic'.
Be aware that 'minimal traffic' varies from provider to provider. Minimal
traffic is sometimes as little as 1 gigabyte of traffic a month. Sounds
like a reasonable limit, right?
If 12 people a day download all of my MPEG-3 files, that's 12 people * 7
megabytes * 30 days = 2,520 megabytes, or 2.5 GB of traffic a month.
So if you've got $40 laying around and want to help out the tadream list
for a couple months (and get tons of ooey-gooey thank you mail), try to get
either one account with 5 GB limit, or a couple of accounts with 1 GB limit
and only use half the webspace for MPEG3's...
Morgan
feldon@p...
P.S. I am reviewing copyright issues. I believe I am in the clear, but I
can't be too sure.
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Subject: Re: I'll be out of touch for a bit
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Really-From: AOutland@a...
OK Scott. I stand corrected. Being new to these styles of
communications, I did not see the congrats inside the other text. It is still
hard for me to tell when one person stops and another starts. Also, not
knowing much about the Greatful Dead, I did not recognize the allusion to
their song. I have noticed another exchange on these pages in which there
seems to be a misunderstanding between what is being said as serious and what
is tongue-in-cheek. Perhaps we should all use a few more smiley faces. So, If
Deadhead is a compliment, I guess I'm a Dreamhead! 8-) Dell
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Subject: Re: I'll be out of touch for a bit
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See! I even spelled the name wrong: Grateful is it? Oh well 'J' Dell
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Subject: non-TD question....
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Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT)
Hi everyone...
I just recently purchased a CD-R drive, and something I read
somewhere
said that in order to record audio cds, the read-from drive had to be
a
SCSI drive...something about the format that CD-DA is written in, and
that
only SCSI drives were suitable for copying from....is this true ?
Can anyone
on the list that's familiar with creating/copying cds possibly be of
any
assistance ? Also, while trying to copy a data cd, I got a message
that
I didn't have enough system resources to write at 2X....I'm running
an
Intel 166 MHZ processor, with 64 MB of memory, and I'm using an 8X
cd-rom drive to copy from....what kind of system resources am I
lacking ?
The CD-R drive is a Sony CDU928E, 2X write, 8X read. I realize this
isn't
the purpose of this list, but there may be some of you out there that
create
and/or copy disks frequently, and there also may be some on the list
that
have considered buying one of these gizmos. So, any info will be
greatly
appreciated......thanx in advance....by the way, Aqua and EiMP are in
my
pile of never-to-be-played-again disks, along with a couple of
hundred others.
NP: Hisham - World of Absence
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: This Was on the Groover Web Site
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Hi All,
Saw the following on the Groover web site:
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
CDs for Trade
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tangerine Dream
Patrolling Space Borders '77
Ruby In The Sky '74
Live In Orange '75
Manchester Concert '76
Chichester Live! '74
Live In Sheffield '74
Live At The Berlin Philharmonic '76
Berlin Live '73
Mystery Tracks
Ardem
Me-Rad
Sound And Effects
Acoustic LSD
Soundtrack For Fantasy
Live! Improvised!
Rubycon Revisited
Rock Meets Klassic '81
Live In Munich '81 And Poland '83
The Keep '83
An Evening In Los Angeles '92
Berlin Werner-Seelenbinver '90
Banco De Gaia
Ambient Mix:
Desert Wind, Soufie, Shanti, Lai Lah (Deeply Sirius),Sheesha,
Shanti (Soupdragon), Last Train..(Extended Ambient), Shanti (Red With
White..)
* compilation of singles and Ambient Dub releases *
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Date: Tue Oct 7, 1997 2:44
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Subject: Re: non-TD question....
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Really-From: jinsuk Kim
Hello Stephen,
Your computer system(Pentium 166 MHz) has good enough performance to read &
write audio CD from/to the CD-R. I've got one CD-ROM drive(IDE) Phillips
CDD-26000 CD-Recorder(of course SCSI). I can read Audio-CD tracks from both
without any problems.
Use another Windows application that does the same thing. I'm sure you
already have got at least one CD-R control software like Easy CD 95, or Win
On CD, etc. Verify first they support your CD-R.
Don't worry about hardware. You already invested much money!!
Hope this helps,
jinsuk Kim, one of those tadreamers
jindor@m...
PS) And try to listen to EiMP again. Isn't it wonderful??? :-<
>Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT)
>
>
>Hi everyone...
>I just recently purchased a CD-R drive, and something I read
>somewhere
>said that in order to record audio cds, the read-from drive had to be
>a
>SCSI drive...something about the format that CD-DA is written in, and
>that
>only SCSI drives were suitable for copying from....is this true ?
>Can anyone
>on the list that's familiar with creating/copying cds possibly be of
>any
>assistance ? Also, while trying to copy a data cd, I got a message
>that
>I didn't have enough system resources to write at 2X....I'm running
>an
>Intel 166 MHZ processor, with 64 MB of memory, and I'm using an 8X
>cd-rom drive to copy from....what kind of system resources am I
>lacking ?
>The CD-R drive is a Sony CDU928E, 2X write, 8X read. I realize this
>isn't
>the purpose of this list, but there may be some of you out there that
>create
>and/or copy disks frequently, and there also may be some on the list
>that
>have considered buying one of these gizmos. So, any info will be
>greatly
>appreciated......thanx in advance....by the way, Aqua and EiMP are in
>my
>pile of never-to-be-played-again disks, along with a couple of
>hundred others.
>
>NP: Hisham - World of Absence
>
>
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Date: Tue Oct 7, 1997 4:54
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Subject: Re: too early to tell
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Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson)
Darn it! Here I call today to order Planetary Traveller on laserdisc
because I hear that it has finally been released. They then tell me that
it is on VHS only and will not come out on laserdisc until the end of the
year. Wah!
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Date: Tue Oct 7, 1997 3:46
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Subject: limited tape offer
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
For those of you who took advantage of my limited offer for concert tapes
and sent money for postage, please know your tapes will be in the mail
first thing tuesday am.
For those of you who have selected tapes but have not sent the money,
please do so ASAP.
If you are no longer interested, kindly inform me as there is a waiting
list of people who would like to get a few of these tapes.
thanks
lars
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>
> Gabe writes:
> >While one can debate about what constitutes 'orthodox minimalism', I'd
> >say most of _Ages_ foots that bill better than _Epsilon_.
> -- so, what do you think constitues 'orthodox minimalism'? -- please
> define.
>
> I'm not trying to flame or argue, inquiring minds just want to know!
OK...I'm a little sleepy right now, forgive me if this becomes incoherent...
Usually, minimalism in music exists at 2 levels: that of the bar, and
that of the phrase. The original minimalism--as pioneered by the likes
of Reich, Glass, Riley and Young--focused on repetition of one or a few
bars of music, each of which contained similar rhythmic patterns. Glass,
at least, later expanded his music so that whole phrases could run in
such cycles--repeated elaborations of a single, complete melodic idea, while
Reich has remained more or less committed to
bar-level minimalism, with glaring exceptions like his 'Tehillim'.
Both of these forms are well represented in both the TD and Froese
canons; phrase-level minimalism is characterized by such things as
'Mothers of Rain'--based on 2 subtly different chord cycles--and 'Ode to
Granny A' from _Ages_. Bar-level minimalism is represented--complete
with Reich's patented rhythmic construction devices--in 'Logos Red'.
Sometimes the two are combined, as in 'Maroubra Bay'--the sequencer lines
are at bar-level, forming a quasi-ostinato, and the string and synth-horn
lines are at phrase-level--they repeat, but the cycle of repetition is
drawn out over several bars before the same theme recurs.
The cleverest minimalist compositions make use of subtle, well-timed,
small changes to advance the musical progression. Reich's rhythmic
construction is a well-elaborated example of this, where he may work out
a bar 1 or 2 beats at a time by filling in rests with notes. Glass'
'Dance #2' is a less-obvious, slower-unfolding example, where quick
changes in rhythm--such as the quick double-timing and repetition within
a bar of one of his trademark arpeggios-- and tone create a quasi-static yet
slowly-evolving tapestry of sound (sounds like an album review, doesn't it?).
'Orthodox minimalism', as I think of it, strips away this slow (albeit
present) type of evolution in favour of more 'bland', unaltered repetition
of the preceding bar(s) or phrase. 'Ode to Granny A' is a piece such as
this, and episodes of such construction mar many of the pieces on
_Ages_. _Epsilon_, as a whole, remains truer to the spirit of
'interesting minimalism'.
Now there are other ways to be minimal. Minimalism as practised by
Reich, Glass, and TD in their best works does not rule out creating a
great deal of vertical complexity. Contrast this with Eno's _Neroli_,
where the structure has been stripped down to 8 lengthy, droning,
repeating notes. Now *that* is minimal. The closest TD's come to THAT
has been _Zeit_, I would dare say.
So how you define 'orthodox' minimalism depends how much you think it
adheres to the less-is-better credo, how generally 'insubstantial' it is.
And it can be so in more than one way. Usually, as I think of it, a
modicum of 'goal-directedness' is appropriate. Or you can go in circles
and go nowhere.
> lars
>
Gabe
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>Really-From: John Christian
>
>
>Hi All,
>
>We'll be there...home will be the SMD stand...or the bar.
We'll drink a beer or two, right John?
See you there.
Marcel
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>Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT)
>
>Hi everyone...
>I just recently purchased a CD-R drive, and something I read
>somewhere said that in order to record audio cds, the read-from drive had
>to be a SCSI drive...
This is correct, for the most part. You can try to force the latest version
of CDRWin or EasyCDPro software to copy off your 8x CD-ROM (IDE), but good
luck.
I try to explain SCSI vs. IDE:
IDE hard drives like to nap frequently. They also tend to get bogged down
and confused. This is my lame way of saying it's too complicated to explain...
Basically, even though an IDE hard drive (yours is 99% likely an IDE) and
an IDE cd-rom may say horseshit like '16.7 megabytes per second' on the box
or something like that, realistically, an IDE hard drive does about 2 MB
per second, tops.
Well, 2 MB per second is perfect for writing to a CD-R, since the CD-R only
needs less than 1/3rd of a MB per second, right? (300k per second)
The answer is that IDE isn't as time-intensive, caring, and loving as SCSI.
You can depend on SCSI to sling that information across as soon as it's
asked for. IDE hard drives tend to take coffee breaks all the time and it
can take up to 2 seconds to get a piece of information from an IDE drive.
Well... um... your CD-R doesn't have 2 seconds... assuming it's already
behind, it just ran out of stuff to burn... Now you've got a messed up disc.
The hardest part about buying a CD-R, is making the decision, can I afford
to buy a SCSI CD-R, and a SCSI-2 card, and a SCSI-2 hard drive, and a SCSI
CD-ROM (SCSI-2 is pointless for CD).... the answer is probably not. You're
going to play twice as much for SCSI drives as IDE drives, and there's damn
good reason. SCSI doesn't play games, it gets the job done.
>something about the format that CD-DA is written in, and
>that
>only SCSI drives were suitable for copying from....is this true ?
Never heard this... Sounds like fooey to me. The SCSI deal is raw speed and
*consistant* throughput.
>Can anyone
>on the list that's familiar with creating/copying cds possibly be of
>any
>assistance ? Also, while trying to copy a data cd, I got a message
>that
>I didn't have enough system resources to write at 2X....
What a silly error message. It means that your hard drive or CD-ROM source
is IDE, (and probably slow IDE at that...) and there's no way the CD-R
burner can depend on your hard drive or CD-ROM to get the data through on
time.
Is the CD-R an IDE or SCSI? I'm assuming IDE...hmm... IDE CD-Recorders are
a dying breed...
Welp, my suggestion is going to be for you to throw money at the problem.
Buy a nice SCSI-2 card (about $99 from Adaptec) for starters, and pick up a
SCSI CD-ROM, perhaps an 8x or so. This will give you a good source speed.
The next phase after that would be to buy an Iomega Jaz Drive ($379, $299
internal) and use it as your source drive for stuff you do make yourself.
If you need to burn some of your own files to the disc, you need to have a
fast source.
You may not know, but an Iomega Jaz, when hooked up to a SCSI-2 card,
transfers at over 4 megabytes per second...
I'm going to get a burner by the end of next week. I've got an Adaptec
SCSI-2 card, and an Iomega Jaz. Right now, my CD-ROM is an IDE. I'm going
to experiment copying from CD -> CDR, but I don't expect it to work.
>The CD-R drive is a Sony CDU928E, 2X write, 8X read.
SCSI or IDE?
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>Erm...are we just a _little_ angry? ; ) I was trying to be _diplomatic_
>about this! ; )
You're good at this, Hermes ;-) So good that I actually got the impression
that you had settled your issues with him and even joined his PR dept. ;-)
>goozer (who will have to leave his bat at customs, I'm sure!)
Heavy combat boots (used by skinheads and football hooligans throughout
Europe) can be found cheap and in big selection in the UK !
-klaus-
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>>something about the format that CD-DA is written in, and
>>that
>>only SCSI drives were suitable for copying from....is this true ?
>
>Never heard this... Sounds like fooey to me. The SCSI deal is raw speed
and
>*consistant* throughput.
Actually, this is *somewhat* correct:
1) SCSI drives have a standard command syntax, so for a
SW to extract audio, it will have to simply pass the standard
command for reading audio to the CDROM. With
IDE, every drive has its own mechanism, so you need to match
SW with supported drive.
2) Also, about 80% of all IDE CDROMS don't support extracting audio
at all (!), whereas about 80% of all SCSI drives will support it.
But since there is usually no indication on the box about this
feature, you need to do some research about what drive will
and what will not extract audio.
3) To make things worse, many of the CDROMS that will
extract audio don't do it very well, i.e. they cannot create
a 100% exact copy of the audio source CD. This can
create pops and cracks or even distortions and drop-
outs. Test: read the same CD twice to a file on HD,
then do a binary compare. You'll be surprised...
4) Finally, many CDROMS can only extract audio at
single speed (1x) so the data doesn't come in fast
enough for your CD-R burner. I expect that this
is what is happening with your system!
Luckily, as far as I know, ALL CD-R burners can extract audio,
so even if your CDROM does not, you should at least be able
to copy your audio CD to the HD and then back to a blank CDR
by using your CD-R as source drive.
A final advice: Before you throw *any* additional money at
your system which seems absolutely sufficient to do the job,
you should first check your configuration. In particular, see if
you have the latest updates for your SW, the newest drivers
for your burner etc etc.
Please contact me via private mail and I can probably help
you better.
Let's keep this discussion away from the TD list, ok?
Hilmar
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>Really-From: PNaunton@a...
>
>
>In a message dated 97-10-06 10:42:46 EDT, you write:
>
> Exactly!! I probably used the wrong phrase. I actually _like_
>these hand made instruments. It echos back to the dawn of time when the
>musician made musical instruments from a variety of whatever would make a
>sound. The computerization of waveform and post processing have removed the
>function of making music from nature, somewhat. Probably why some people on
>this list prefer analog synthesizers.
>
>Phil Naunton
Mind you people said precisely the same thing about analogue snyths when they
first arrives - souless, mechanical (if that's possible for something
electrical) and so on.
I'm almost postive that in 20 years time people will be yearning for sounds
made by those good ol' 16-bit samplers and sample+synthesis boxes.
Surely the origin of the sound is unimportant compared to the context in which
it is played. This follows hard on the heels of the revelation that the
didgeridoo (sp?) sound on Rolf Harris' 'Sunrise' was in fact generated by
a number of cellos all playing bottom E together for the whole track*. This
was because Rolf (at that time) couldn't play didge.
Alan
* surely the inspiration for Zeit!
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Really-From: Grant Middleton
Less than 4 weeks to go !
>Really-From: Armin Theissen
>
> concerning the anniversary of the Shepard's Bush Meeting -
> who finally will I meet in Glasgow on Nov. 1st, and *where*?
> Any Glasgow locals recommend a place to stay?
I'm originally from Glasgow, though I now live in the
East of Scotland. I'd recommend the 'Victoria and
Albert' on the corner of Buchanan Street and Nelson
Mandela Place. It is quite a quiet place and is within
staggering distance of the Royal Concert Hall. I'd
say about 3 o'clock would be a good time of day. I'll
be going through with Craig Cordrey, so we'll both
be going to the same place at the same time, whatever
happens.
As for a place to stay, I'd say ask the Glasgow
Tourist Board, as there is accomodation to suit
every pocket (even pockets empty due to TD
addiction).
I believe that Mr Hughes might be coming up to join
us on the day, too. Don't know if Jules will be
accompanying him, though (Dave ?).
Grant
Now Playing: Klaus Schulze - Mirage
Now Eating: Walkers 'Spice Girls' prawn cocktail
flavour crisps. Mmmm fishy.
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>is tongue-in-cheek. Perhaps we should all use a few more smiley
faces. So, If
>Deadhead is a compliment, I guess I'm a Dreamhead! 8-) Dell
OK, no prob. 'Dreamhead,' eh? I wonder what term we could come
up with that would flow as well as, say, Deadhead, Phish Phan or
Floydian. (I'm one of each, BTW). Tangerinies? T-Dreamers?
Scott
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Subject: Fall tour t-shirts
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
Any Yanks going to be seeing TD this fall? If so, I'd like to get a
t-shirt if possible. Contact me off-list. Speaking of Yanks, how about
that game last night? :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
Scott E. Plumer
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Subject: NGC891
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Message text written by INTERNET:tadream@c...
><< Forgive me if I missed an answer to this one, but 'ngc891' is
an astronomical name. I believe it is a galaxy, >>
If the 'NGC891' is a galaxy why are there so many airoplanes
roaring through this piece?
Phil (Devil's Advocate) Naunton
<
'Flight NGC891 is now departing for Alpha Centauri,
Plejades and towards the Evening Star...'
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Subject: how we listen
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Concerning what to call us (ex Deadhead,TrekkiesETC.)How bout Tangies?
On another note ,with the wealth of information many of you know about TD, and
the level of intelligent musical information discussed, I was wondering what
and how we listen to TD. Personally most of my listening is in my living room
with a nice set of Pioneer LEFT and RIGHT and a complimenting set of POLK
center, sub and surrounds. I also enjoy headphone listening but recently they
broke and I'm waiting to save up and buy a decent pair of electrostatic ones. I
prefer the headphones actually cuz it really puts you in 'dream'land so to
speak.Also SInce noone replied yet, what happened to the info on JIm and Pablo
on the TD site?, here one day gone the next. Another note is the statement that
a number of limited editions of the new soundtracks to be released by TD will
be availible to the readers of the site , lets keep each other informed!
see
ya!Chris
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>I just wanted to say that my top three TD soundtracks are (in order of
preference):
1. Sorcerer
2. Thief
3. Wavelength
Have a great weekend!
Vic <
Doh! Thanks Vic!
Now I'll have to find a copy of Wavelength somewhere!
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Subject: Re: TD in GLASGOW
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Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182
A good time to raise this again, given that there's less than 4 weeks to go.
Grant Middleton suggests that those wishing to meet up should do so in the
'Vistoria and Albert' bar, in Nelson Mandella Court (Grant will, no doubt,
correct if this is slightly wrong). This is, apparently, just round the corner
from the venue.
As for attendees, there will be myself and Grant, and a non-fan-but-curious
friend. Dave and Martin, are you still keen for a meet-up? And, of course,
anyone else who wishes to come along, feel free.
Sorry I won't be able to attend the 'annual Shepherd's Bush gathering'.
Hopefully, TD will have such a regular and full tour from now on that I won't
have to make that long journey again.
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Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g...
Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182
GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
Simulation and Training Division
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Subject: Re: I'll be out of touch for a bit
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>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> OK, no prob. 'Dreamhead,' eh? I wonder what term we could come
>up with that would flow as well as, say, Deadhead, Phish Phan or
>Floydian. (I'm one of each, BTW). Tangerinies? T-Dreamers?
>
> Scott
Surely it's just Dreamer?
As in 'I'm a Dreamer (with a capital 'D')'.
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Date: Tue Oct 7, 1997 4:58
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Subject: WARNING!!!! URGENT!!! LOOK WHAT THEY TRY TO DO WITH US!
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Really-From: 'Miguel Angel Esteban'
Look enclosed a forward with a message that has been received by teh
most part (if not all) of the Jarre sites in the world. Seems they're
trying to erase all the unofficial Jarre sites in the world.
What do you thing?
Be careful over there :-(
Miguel.
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From: duth@i...
To: fairlight_jarre@a...
Date sent: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:03:43 +0000
Subject: Respect of the copyright
Priority: normal
You are so much fond of Jean-Michel JARRE that you propose his
works in digital form on your Internet site. Do you know that
the diffusion of artistic works is regulated at the
international level ? (Berne Convention and WIPO Copyright
Treaty). A recording of infringement concerning your site has
been drawn up by an agent on oath of the APP, the European
organization of software authors and information technology
professionals (http://app.legalis.net/paris).
Nevertheless you have the possibility either to send us the
evidences of authorizations or to remove spontaneously the
elements you are not the author of and those you have not
obtained the necessary rights, within one week.
We address the present piece of advice to you in accordance with
the proxy you can consult on line http://www.iddn.org/jarre/
For lack of regularization within the allotted time we will be
led to make use of the necessary legal proceedings and technical
measures.
Thank you to acknowledge receipt of this message.
Daniel Duthil
http://www.iddn.org/
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On Sun, 05 Oct 97 19:57:51 EDT tadream mailing list
wrote:
> Really, I think it's
> the sound of a rain forest bird combined with a train and fed through a
> 'phase-shifter' (something Giorgio Moroder used to use). Lo-fi, but
> rather charming, to my ears.
I love that sound. It reminds me a bit of the bird noises on the last
track on 'Patrolling Space Borders', and as far as I'm concerned, that
is one of the points where technology and ecology get back together,
and the former creates a sensation directly inspired by the latter.
A point I'd like to add about the album as a whole is that I actually
prefer Epsilon to Maroubra Bay, precisely because it is so echo-y and
ambient. In this music, I feel like lost in the rain forest, slightly
dazed and disoriented, not knowing where to look or where to go - with
the important difference that I'm actually sitting in the comfort of my
home, rather than struggling for survival somewhere around the equator.
Maroubra Bay just doesn't do the same for me, it appears less complex
and somewhat less convincing to me.
Dennis
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Subject: Re: Shepard's Bush meeting?
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On Sun, 5 Oct 97 13:09:49 -0500 (CDT) tadream mailing list
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> Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
>
>
> Greetings all!
>
> So, how many of us here plan to be at the '1st Annual Shepard's Bush TD
> Concert Reunion'? And will there be another pre-gig meeting as well? I
> missed the last one due to a last minute shopping spree and a tube line
> closure! Looking forward to seeing you there, whomever you may be...
>
> goozer
>
To what extent is this an open invitation to meet before the upcoming
Shepherd's Bush concert, even if you haven't attended the legendary
last one? My girlfriend and I are trying to get hold of some tickets
for the 6th of November, is there any way to meet up with some of you
just before the concert?
Dennis
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Subject: Re: 'Digital Gothic' - my impressions
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On Sat, 04 Oct 1997 12:52:59 -0500 tadream mailing list
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> However, Scott's little book ('Mysterious Semblance') will still
> be my guide for organizing my TD collection.
Is that booklet still available, or can anyone send me a copy?
Dennis
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Subject: Dreamhead, T-dreamer etc.
At 09:07 199710.07 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> >Deadhead is a compliment, I guess I'm a Dreamhead! 8-) Dell
>
> OK, no prob. 'Dreamhead,' eh? I wonder what term we could come
>up with that would flow as well as, say, Deadhead, Phish Phan or
>Floydian. (I'm one of each, BTW). Tangerinies? T-Dreamers?
I've heard Dreamhead used on this list a couple of years ago, I think I
was Bob Forman who I saw use it first.
Given the Deadhead -> Dreamhead thingy, even non TD fans get the gist.
'Pete The Dreamhead'
Frequency Publica 91.5FM
Burning Man Festival '97
'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road.
/^\
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Date: Tue Oct 7, 1997 3:44
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Subject: Re: CD-R
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>>something about the format that CD-DA is written in, and
>>that
>>only SCSI drives were suitable for copying from....is this true ?
>
>Never heard this... Sounds like fooey to me. The SCSI deal is raw speed
and
>*consistant* throughput.
And be sure to have a good hard-disc.
I once had an 'old' Seagate with one bad sector on it. I discovered
it a few CDRs later! Every time it used that sector, my audio-files
were corrupted and began to repeat the music.
I recommend a Quantum Bigfoot (I have a Bigfoot 4.3 Gb).
You don't need a SCSI hard-drive.
I have the Yamaha CDR102. It can extract audio with no problems
whatsoever and I never had any problems with it.
On the other hand, I once extracted audio from my 6x IDE-CDROM and
it failed. Never did the experiment again.
Marcel
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Subject: Re: WARNING!!!! URGENT!!! LOOK WHAT THEY TRY TO DO WITH US!
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Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-10-07 11:04:52 EDT, you write:
<< You are so much fond of Jean-Michel JARRE that you propose his
works in digital form on your Internet site. Do you know that
the diffusion of artistic works is regulated at the
international level ? (Berne Convention and WIPO Copyright
Treaty). A recording of infringement concerning your site has
been drawn up by an agent on oath of the APP, the European
organization of software authors and information technology
professionals (http://app.legalis.net/paris).
Nevertheless you have the possibility either to send us the
evidences of authorizations or to remove spontaneously the
elements you are not the author of and those you have not
obtained the necessary rights, within one week.
We address the present piece of advice to you in accordance with
the proxy you can consult on line http://www.iddn.org/jarre/
For lack of regularization within the allotted time we will be
led to make use of the necessary legal proceedings and technical
measures.
Thank you to acknowledge receipt of this message.
Daniel Duthil
http://www.iddn.org/
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In a message dated 97-10-07 11:04:52 EDT, you write:
<< You are so much fond of Jean-Michel JARRE that you propose his
works in digital form on your Internet site. Do you know that
the diffusion of artistic works is regulated at the
international level ? (Berne Convention and WIPO Copyright
Treaty). A recording of infringement concerning your site has
been drawn up by an agent on oath of the APP, the European
organization of software authors and information technology
professionals (http://app.legalis.net/paris).
Nevertheless you have the possibility either to send us the
evidences of authorizations or to remove spontaneously the
elements you are not the author of and those you have not
obtained the necessary rights, within one week.
We address the present piece of advice to you in accordance with
the proxy you can consult on line http://www.iddn.org/jarre/
For lack of regularization within the allotted time we will be
led to make use of the necessary legal proceedings and technical
measures.
Thank you to acknowledge receipt of this message.
Daniel Duthil
http://www.iddn.org/
---------------------------------------- >>
the least they could have done was write their bs in legible
english...another sad case of money over fandom....so sue me chump....
tom w
np: orbscure trax
From:
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Date: Tue Oct 7, 1997 5:52
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Subject: Just a few TD questions....
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
Hi tadreamers,
I've a few questions:
* After the 1990 Bristol-gig (on the Garten Pharaos CD), Edgar introduces
the band. Apart from Linda, Paul and Jerome, he mentions a flute & sax
player I've never heard of. Can anyone tell me who it is ???
* For a long time, the 1996 Sherperd's Bush gig setlist was on Tadream's
homepage. Can anyone (who'd downloaded that) send me that setlist ???
* Is there a publication of all TD tour setlists or is there a very
fanatic TD-fan who has all the setlists in a kind of database ?? I'm very
interested to have this information to have all the titles from all the
tours, also the unreleased (not on a studio-album) songs. Also the tour
personnel information (additional musicians like Zlatko or Ralf
Wadephul) would be great.
* On which dates did TD perform in Holland ?? Any recordings available
from those shows, apart from RAI-Amsterdam 1976 and Melkweg 1997 ??
That's all for now and every answer to these questions is appreciated !
Wouter Bessels.
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Date: Tue Oct 7, 1997 6:01
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Subject: TD samples
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Really-From: feldon@p...
>From: stefan@b... (Stefan Stapelberg)
>Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:31:05 -0600
>X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail)
>To: feldon@p...
>Subject: TD samples
>
>Hi Morgan,
>
>I am the Webmaster of the TD web site and I am responsible
>for all issues regarding the Internet activities of TD/TDI.
>
>It has come to my attention that you are publishing illegally
>recorded bootlegs from Tangerine Dream on your web site. As
>you may (or may not) know, TDI usually takes legal steps
>against anyone who publishes such illegal material.
>
>It is one thing to make or give away bootlegs on a private
>channel such as by tape or email among fans (which is still
>illegal, but has been silently tolerated in the past), but
>it is a completely other issue if such bootlegs are made
>available to a broader public. If the management of TDI
>or other labels would become aware of this, they would
>immediately initiate all the usual procedures set forth
>by the lawyers to delete those bootlegs.
>
>I therefore suggest that you remove the bootlegs from
>your webpage before the TDI management becomes aware
>of this. It's not my intention to thread you, but
>rather want to give you a friendly invitation in
>order to avoid further trouble.
>
>Best regards,
>Stefan
>
>--
>Stefan Stapelberg Fon: +49-9352-89948 RENT-A-GURU (TM)
> Fax: +49-9352-89949 P.O. Box 1358
> http://www.netstore.de/ D-97803 Lohr/Main
>
>
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Date: Tue Oct 7, 1997 6:09
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Subject: Re: TD samples
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Really-From: feldon@p...
It is now officially know that there is a snitch, if not more than one, who
wish to drag us down and damage the Tangerine Dream fan clubs and this
mailing-list. Similarly, what is happening to the JMJ fanclub. Are people
really spineless jellyfish?
I am really starting to see human nature. There is a shocking percentage of
people I would not save from death. This is sad, but true. Whoever you are
who has told TDI's webmaster that I am *selling* bootlegs, I hope you are
happy with yourself. You not only victimize myself and this list by making
such a fraudulent and libelous statement, but you also stain your own hands.
Time for you to go to confession.
Morgan
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Subject: Re: Just a few TD questions....
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Wouter Bessels
>
>
> Hi tadreamers,
>
> I've a few questions:
>
> * After the 1990 Bristol-gig (on the Garten Pharaos CD), Edgar introduces
> the band. Apart from Linda, Paul and Jerome, he mentions a flute & sax
> player I've never heard of. Can anyone tell me who it is ???
His name is Hubert Waldner, I believe. He's the same guy who played
(very well IMO) on _Lily_ and _Melrose_.
> * For a long time, the 1996 Sherperd's Bush gig setlist was on Tadream's
> homepage. Can anyone (who'd downloaded that) send me that setlist ???
Don't have it with me, sorry...
> * Is there a publication of all TD tour setlists or is there a very
> fanatic TD-fan who has all the setlists in a kind of database ?? I'm very
> interested to have this information to have all the titles from all the
> tours, also the unreleased (not on a studio-album) songs. Also the tour
> personnel information (additional musicians like Zlatko or Ralf
> Wadephul) would be great.
Hmmm...Morgan, didn't you put together something like this? Or was it
Scott?
> * On which dates did TD perform in Holland ?? Any recordings available
> from those shows, apart from RAI-Amsterdam 1976 and Melkweg 1997 ??
This I wouldn't know either.
> That's all for now and every answer to these questions is appreciated !
>
> Wouter Bessels.
Gabe
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Date: Tue Oct 7, 1997 7:02
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: feldon@p...
>
>
> It is now officially know that there is a snitch, if not more than one, who
> wish to drag us down and damage the Tangerine Dream fan clubs and this
> mailing-list. Similarly, what is happening to the JMJ fanclub. Are people
> really spineless jellyfish?
Well, I have *never* written to the guy, so I don't know who it is, and it
sure ain't me. But, before we all fly off the handle, I should point out
there doesn't NEED to be a snitch. Something about your page could have
been 'harmlessly mentioned' in the TDI guestbook, which Stefan reads
frequently. Since, in the past, TD has usually turned a blind eye to
boots, why did anyone doing this think they'd care?
This could signal a change in that philosophy, though...
It could also be Stefan reads the list as a lurker, and finally decided
to do something about it.
Note to Stefan (and maybe to TD if they put him up to it): you want a
surefire way to alienate the fans *and* drop your sales no matter how good
your new stuff might be? THIS IS IT!
> Morgan
Gabe
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Date: Tue Oct 7, 1997 7:02
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Subject: Re: TD samples
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Really-From: feldon@p...
>
[...]
> Whoever you are who has told TDI's webmaster that I am *selling*
bootlegs, I hope you are
> happy with yourself. You not only victimize myself and this list by
making
> such a fraudulent and libelous statement, but you also stain your own
hands.
>
> Time for you to go to confession.
>
> Morgan
Morgan, I absolutely can understand your feelings and really have enjoyed
your samples.
BUT IT WAS YOU YOURSELF WITH YOUR POSTINGS IN THIS LIST, who gave the
hints.
I´m sure noone else but YOU had informed Stefan, the Webmaster of TD´s
website
since HE IS A TADREAM-DIGEST READER !!!!!!
This is an extract of a 'who tadream-digest' result:
spride@c...
stamos@p...
stefan@r... <------------------- HE´S READING WHAT WE ARE
WRITING !!!
steiner@b...
stuart@b...
teiwazbarana@h...
Kind regards
Jens
PS: Don´t be angry anymore, yes ?
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Date: Tue Oct 7, 1997 7:15
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Subject: Re: darkstar
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
>you put her down as a Deadhead. She should be getting
congratulations and
Who put her down? Her address was darkstar@s... and 'Dark
Star' is a very famous Dead song, so I assumed she was a Deadhead.
DARKSTAR is also the MIKE OLDFIELD Fanzine
MJ
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Date: Tue Oct 7, 1997 7:46
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Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-10-07 14:15:08 EDT, you write:
<< I am really starting to see human nature. There is a shocking percentage
of
people I would not save from death. This is sad, but true. Whoever you are
who has told TDI's webmaster that I am *selling* bootlegs, I hope you are
happy with yourself. You not only victimize myself and this list by making
such a fraudulent and libelous statement, but you also stain your own hands.
Time for you to go to confession.
>>
i seriously doubt anyone would go outta their way to 'snitch' on ur site
(unless u have a real enemy)... when oasis (the band) was investigating much
the same thing, they hired a guy (just like mr. rent-a-guru) who spent all
his time searching web sites for this type of abominable criminal
activity...as ridiculous as this type of thing, its all about money, or
better yet, the perceived 'loss' of potential income...as if the masses are
gonna run to ur site to download some tunes, at the expense of their shit
releases...ur gonna do what u have to do, but rest assured that there's
plenty of people in internetland that are appreciative of ur efforts and will
stand by you against these corporate vampires...good luck...
tom w
np: lee 'scratch' perry - vampires
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Date: Tue Oct 7, 1997 7:48
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Subject: Re: TD samples
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In a message dated 97-10-07 14:15:08 EDT, you write:
<< I am really starting to see human nature. There is a shocking percentage
of
people I would not save from death. This is sad, but true. Whoever you are
who has told TDI's webmaster that I am *selling* bootlegs, I hope you are
happy with yourself. You not only victimize myself and this list by making
such a fraudulent and libelous statement, but you also stain your own hands.
Time for you to go to confession.
>>
i seriously doubt anyone would go outta their way to 'snitch' on ur site
(unless u have a real enemy)... when oasis (the band) was investigating much
the same thing, they hired a guy (just like mr. rent-a-guru) who spent all
his time searching web sites for this type of abominable criminal
activity...as ridiculous as this type of thing, its all about money, or
better yet, the perceived 'loss' of potential income...as if the masses are
gonna run to ur site to download some tunes, at the expense of their shit
releases...ur gonna do what u have to do, but rest assured that there's
plenty of people in internetland that are appreciative of ur efforts and will
stand by you against these corporate vampires...good luck...
tom w
np: lee 'scratch' perry - vampires
From:
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Date: Tue Oct 7, 1997 8:02
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Subject: Re: TD samples
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Really-From: Vic Rek
>>From: stefan@b... (Stefan Stapelberg)
>>I am the Webmaster of the TD web site and I am responsible
>>for all issues regarding the Internet activities of TD/TDI.
Being 'responsible for all issues regarding the Internet activities of
TD/TDI' is a pretty big job :-)
Does this mean that the fan's activities are considered also as Internet
activities of TD/TDI?
Since this issue has been placed on the 'table', I welcome Stefan's comments.
Vic
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59
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Subject: Miracle Mile, Wavelength
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Really-From: aliEn
Hi, I'm new to this list (about a week now)
Has anyone seen 'Miracle Mile' or 'Wavelength'?
I have both of the soundtracks (I like them both, but they're not what I
would term classic)
I am interested to find out about the films they were scored to, and if
they were any good.
W>G>
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Date: Tue Oct 7, 1997 8:12
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Subject: Re: TD samples
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Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-10-07 15:54:01 EDT, you write:
<< Since this issue has been placed on the 'table', I welcome Stefan's
comments.
>>
who gives a shit about his comments? hes a corporate minion, paid to make
life miserable for the few fans that are still out there...first it was the
attack on beyond the horizon and when that went up like a lead ballon, they
are beginning a campaign against the only bread and butter they have
left...this, imo, is an affront to every fan out there, and further goes to
illustrate the selfish nature of this industry in general, and this band in
particular....flame away....
tom w
sp: lee scratch perry - vampires
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Date: Tue Oct 7, 1997 8:10
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Subject: Re: Miracle Mile, Wavelength
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> Has anyone seen 'Miracle Mile' or 'Wavelength'?
I saw Miracle Mile several years ago, and quite enjoyed it...although I
imagine its impact would be somewhat lesser today, given that the threat
of nuclear anhilation has lifted somewhat. To give you a brief
plot synopsis, it's about a guy who meets a woman and falls in love with
her...the very day that the U.S. launches its nukes as a result of some
mistake which (wisely) isn't explained. The rest of the movie takes place
in real time, as they try to get together and escape Los Angeles. Not
exactly a picker-upper, but I have a soft spot for depressing cinema.
Wavelength I have never seen. It looks rather cheesy. All the same, I
find it surprising that TD hasn't been invited to score more Sci-Fi flicks
such as this one.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'A paranoiac is someone
in possession of the facts'
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Date: Tue Oct 7, 1997 8:59
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Subject: Re: TD samples
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Really-From: Vic Rek
>Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
>
>In a message dated 97-10-07 15:54:01 EDT, you write:
>
><< Since this issue has been placed on the 'table', I welcome Stefan's
>comments.
> >>
>
>who gives a shit about his comments? hes a corporate minion, paid to make
>life miserable for the few fans that are still out there...[...]
Uh, Tom. What I meant here was that Stefan have an opportunity to comment
about this issue and maybe why he is doing this. We have not heard from him
so he should have a chance to 'speak' to this list. I am NOT welcoming the
comments he made to Morgan... I think you and I are on the same side - the
fan's!
Vic
first it was the
>attack on beyond the horizon and when that went up like a lead ballon, they
>are beginning a campaign against the only bread and butter they have
>left...this, imo, is an affront to every fan out there, and further goes to
>illustrate the selfish nature of this industry in general, and this band in
>particular....flame away....
>
>tom w
>
>sp: lee scratch perry - vampires
>
>
>
From:
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Date: Tue Oct 7, 1997 9:16
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Subject: Re: Shepard's Bush meeting?
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Really-From: Jorge Moreira
>
> To what extent is this an open invitation to meet before the upcoming
> Shepherd's Bush concert, even if you haven't attended the legendary
> last one? My girlfriend and I are trying to get hold of some tickets
> for the 6th of November, is there any way to meet up with some of you
> just before the concert?
>
> Dennis
What a wonderful idea. I and more two friends are Portugueses and we
will be there, London 6 of November, and it`s interesting to meet and
Known.
Best Regards,
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In a message dated 97-10-07 16:51:58 EDT, you write:
<< Uh, Tom. What I meant here was that Stefan have an opportunity to comment
about this issue and maybe why he is doing this. We have not heard from him
so he should have a chance to 'speak' to this list. I am NOT welcoming the
comments he made to Morgan... I think you and I are on the same side - the
fan's! >>
i understood what u said, and my reply was not meant as an attack on u...far
from it...my point is that mr. stefan has already spoken with his ludicrous
threats to morgan, and by extension, to all other fan sites out there...he is
doing this because he was told to do so...he doesnt care why this is being
done...he was ordered to do this, and he his doing it...what could he
possibly say here? 'i was under orders'? 'im philosphically opposed to this'?
who cares? the plain fact is mr. stefan issued an ultimatum and thats the end
of the issue, as far as hes concerned...does anyone really really believe
he'll apologize and say it was all a joke?
on the other hand, an analogous situation happened with star trek
sites...paramount unleashed the corporate scheisters but the fans fought
back...and the idiotic idea was dropped...so, unless we let tdi, et.al. know
how we feel about this, the 'fan be damned' mentality will continue....
tom w
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>This can be filled with the following: 'Cataract' (10:40)-the unreleased
>1st set segment from the '86 tour 'Promenade, Fractal Reality,
>Coronation' (13:48)- the unreleased suite from the '88 tour 'Lily in
>Berlin' (10:03)- unreleased track after the guitar part from Berlin '90
>
>So...what say you all...
I'm ready to throw in the weeds for WHITE smoke...
And, yes, the Froeses 'deserve' a #0 as a present ;-)
-klaus-
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DeadPhish maybe? LOL !:-)
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At 09:08 PM 10/7/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: aliEn
>
>Hi, I'm new to this list (about a week now)
>
>Has anyone seen 'Miracle Mile' or 'Wavelength'?
Both are wierd movies. In their own special way, I like both of them.
Wavelength is the standard 'US government is hiding aliens in new mexico'
story with a twist. The main (human) characters set out to free them.
Miracle Mile is about a guy who gets a call on a pay phone and on the other
end is a guy from Iran or something saying 'is that you, ? We just launched the missles to the US... are you there? answer me?'
Very dark movie.
>I have both of the soundtracks (I like them both, but they're not what I
>would term classic)
>I am interested to find out about the films they were scored to, and if
>they were any good.
Morgan
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Hi,
I finally got around to listening to a sampler tape Lars gave me of
IMPULSE by Free System Projekt and ATTRITION SYSTEM by Air Sculpture,
and I'm happy to report that this is some good stuff, people! They are
both TD-esque.
Particularly amusing is that the track, 'Impulse--The Closening,'
starts of with a squawking very reminiscient of that of the title track
to EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE--and it, too, occurs a second time in the
song. Great minds think alike, eh? ;)
Oh, and by the way, both of these albums are by list members. The
squawking song is by Marcel Engels under a group name (somewhat like the
case with Aphex Twin, I suppose).
-- Steven Feldman
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I mostly listen to TD in my car from tapes recorded from CD's. Not many
people around me are INTO TD as I am so there I can be alone and play them as
loud as I can ( but not as loud as I want since the system isn't that great).
Driving to work, TD can usually put a song in my head to listen to all day to
drown out some of the stress there. Driving home TD can revitalize my beaten
senses back to a more beautiful world. The best time I had recently was
listening to the much maligned Cyclone album while a terrific lightning storm
was going on. The crack of the thunder and swish of the windshield wipers
seemed to keep perfect time to the music. It was a wild ride and rather than
be afraid of the storm which was washing out the streets between me and home,
I was exhillarated. Dell
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You mean I'm not original? Darn! #8 - { You seem to like quotes. I have
read Mr Froese is fond of this one and I really like it also, but I don't
know the originator of this one either: ' A lie would make no sense unless
the truth were dangerous.' Good yes? Dell
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OK I'm going to go out on a limb here and defend stephan (rent-a-guru).
Morgan, this isn't meant to have any offense to you; it's just an analysis,
I've tried to keep my opinions about what you were doing out of this.
OK, people have posted to this list information about samples and photos on
web pages and lots of related stuff to this list since Stephan joined
(remember he's been at this for awhile -- january 97?). Hell, even the
bush tape tree has run openly in that time -- all of this without comment.
He never hid the fact that he was reading this list as a lurker, it has
just been forgotten that he was there. Hell, we all know there is a fair
chance that even The Man sees bits of list from time to time. If he hand't
seen it or had seen it and disapproved, you can bet tadream wouldn't be
mentioned on His web page.
I don't think TDI has changed its policies or that this is the beginning of
a vicious (sorry, can't spell tonight) attack on its hardest-core fans.
I really think Morgan brought this upon himself (Sorry Morgan). OK, let's
look at the facts:
You openly solicited tracks (yes you did say on one post: 'buy td's legit
albums'); you bought more web space to upload more samples, talking in some
cases about 3 megabyte samples; you encouraged lots of people to download
these samples; you even were talking about 20 people/day 2..5 gigabytes of
downloading/month. I think this is what got Stephan's attention. It could
seem like you were expanding well beyond the range of tolerable activity.
-- hey, you even said you weren't sure of the copyright implications and
were checking into it. -- you were asking for advice and he answered.
True, there wasn't anything in it for you; nevertheless, you were
distributing and (at potentially 2.5 gigabytes/month) in a more than
'modest' fashion.
OK, turning to Stephan's letter. Maybe he was writing at the behest of The
Man himself. maybe it was -- as he states -- just a friendly warning; I
tend to think of it as the latter. In comparison with the Jarre letter
posted earlier, I'd have to take him for his word. He's not talking about
reporting you and putting your name in some international database, he's
just giving you a warning; he says it's a friendly word of advice, not a
threat; maybe he's telling the truth.
No offense to the lawyers on this list, but the very LAST thing you want to
deal with is a lawyer, on the professional level (not as 'people') they are
paid to be scum with a gang-rape mentality (at least every one I've had the
displeasure to deal with).
I think the essential difference between doing what you were doing (and I'm
not trying to judge here) and, say, tape trading is that you were talking
(potentially) about mass distribution; a tape trade goes on between two
people and is a rather private thing. Similarly, the bush tree comprised
individual trades with no profit. had we proposed making and distributing
a list bootleg instead, you can be sure we'd be getting a letter directly
from that lawyer in london and not a private message from stephan.
I have very serious doubts that EF has launched a campaign against the
fans. I suspect it will be business as usual and that stephan was just
trying to do his job. Maybe we don't like his job but it is his job. I
don't think he intended to alienate you, morgan, or other fans; he did send
the letter to you privately and not to the list, right?
I'll withhold judgment until I see further evidence that TDI is on the
rampage against its fans; I doubt it will be forthcoming.
with apologies
lars
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Edited from Stefan's 2nd message to me:
I would be getting into serious troubles if [a lawyer/member of a label]
would notice this. However, I will ask Edgar, whether and in which
form he could permit distribution of such previews in a non-public
way.
I would not be very happy to be forced to remove the link to such
a useful resource like the mailing-list from TD's web site because
bootlegs are exchanged on this list. I hope for your understanding.
----Stefan
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I have not sent a reply.
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Wavelength will never be a classic movie, but I like the music even tho
some of it is found on other better albums. The movie is about aliens (
outerspace kind) who are presumed dead and are being studied in an abandoned
military base. However, due to an 'unusually quiet mind' a young girl living
nearby can hear their minds and knows they are not dead. She and her
boyfriend break into the base arriving too late for one of the aliens which
has been autopsied (his horrible shrieks unheard by anyone else except this
girl) and manage to free the other aliens. They are driven to the desert to
be reunited with the mother ship. Of course, the military can't risk exposure
of their secretiveness in not informing the public of these aliens so they
send the jets to shoot them down (to presumably call it a weather balloon
later, I guess if anyone inquires). They receive quite a surprise. I won't
spoil it for you in case you want to rent the movie. If you do see this movie
tho, I recommend your next rental be Starman. No, there's no TD music in it,
but I think you'll see what I mean. Dell
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Subject: 1990 Concert Sax Player
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> Quoted From: Gabe Yedid
>
> > Really-From: Wouter Bessels
> >
> > * After the 1990 Bristol-gig (on the Garten Pharaos CD), Edgar introduces
> > the band. Apart from Linda, Paul and Jerome, he mentions a flute & sax
> > player I've never heard of. Can anyone tell me who it is ???
>
> His name is Hubert Waldner, I believe. He's the same guy who played
> (very well IMO) on _Lily_ and _Melrose_.
Actually Gabe, I think Waldner was only a studio musician. From what I
remember reading in the TDIFC newsletter, the guy was Paul Griebach. (I'm
sure I spelled his name wrong :-) ) I should look it up when I get home
tonight. (yes, I do not have my own computer, despite the fact I'm
studying computer systems engineering... :-/ )
Dave Brewer
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At 04:36 PM 10/7/1997 +0100, Dennis Nigbur wrote:
>On Sat, 04 Oct 1997 12:52:59 -0500 tadream mailing list
> wrote:
>
>> However, Scott's little book ('Mysterious Semblance') will still
>> be my guide for organizing my TD collection.
>
>Is that booklet still available, or can anyone send me a copy?
>
>Dennis
>
Dennis,
You need to talk to the man himself. It costs us in the US $16. I
am sure he has a similar deal for you British. Scott's e-mail address is:
'Plumer, Scott'
Oh, BTW, it's not really a booklet. It's an 80-page spiral-bound
BOOK. Having not had the opportunity to buy earlier books on TD,
I just love Scott's work. I will be buying several copies to send
to friends all over the world.
Andrew
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Subject: 'GOBLINS' CLUB + 1'?
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Folks,
I just did a search on Tangerine Dream on the
super-website, and one of the entries was:
GOBLINS' CLUB + 1
TANGERINE DREAM
Genre SYM
Media CD
Release Date 6/25/97
Country NETHERLAND
Condition NEW (not used)
Price $21.50
RETAILER
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E-Mail ace@u...
Phone (31) 318 48 23 99
Fax (31) 318 48 69 64
po box 80
LUNTERN, 6740AA
Netherlands
Now, what I want to know is, is this something different than the
Australian version of GOBLINS' CLUB--which lops off 'Elf June' in favor
of 'Fort Worth Runway One'--or is it another (Dutch?) release that adds
'Fort Worth Runway One' without deleting 'Elf June'???
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
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Yes, I overreacted. Stefan did the right thing. And I can see how it looked
like I was gearing for tons of traffic. Actually, I was trying to make it
clear that 2.5 GB of traffic is next to NOTHING.
Bottom line is:
#1 My MPEG-3 page is down, permanently. Enough people visited that
either they've gotten a taste of live TD and they're going to trade
tapes, or they are going to ignore the whole thing. Either way, the
message on my page meant 'please buy legit TD, they deserve it!'
#2 I do and always will love Tangerine Dream
#3 I own nearly every TD release
#4 I have never been to a concert (and that's a damn shame!)
#5 I garner no harsh feelings... well, except for that JMJ asshole
Morgan
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At 06:43 PM 10/7/1997 -0500, Morgan wrote:
>
>I would not be very happy to be forced to remove the link to such
>a useful resource like the mailing-list from TD's web site because
>bootlegs are exchanged on this list. I hope for your understanding.
>----Stefan
>
>======================================================
>
>I have not sent a reply.
That is so silly. How the hell ANYONE even know that the TDI Web
site existed, if not from this list? OK, there are about three or
four extant fanzines. But TD gets more publicity from this list
(I bet) than all the other fan endeavors all together.
I haven't even looked at the Morgan's soundbites (just don't like
what I get that way), but I think that Lars is right: they are
reacting to (potentially) mass electronic D/Ls.
But I don't get all this noise! Jarre gives away his concerts,
fergoonessakes. I have 19 CDs of his. Somebody quickly count how
many boots as I must have, given that I have ALL the commercial
stuff he put out in 25 years. And I also have ALL TD's commercial
product! ALL. So I have over 110 CDs. Whatsit to them? It's not
like I am Red China or Bulgaria and all I ever buy is boots.
I just don't get it. May be I am dense. Those Deadheads who were
allowed to plug in directly into the boards at concerts must be
just a bunch of thieves, too.
Jeeeez.....
Recurring theme, here. It pops up every few years, then the
lawyers go away to chase some ambulances.
Can hardly wait.
Release the material in the vaults, TD, and we will be too broke
to bother with boots.
Andrew
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greetings,
i have Relativity LP (black vinyl) available, any offers?
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In a message dated 97-10-05 21:03:09 EDT, you write:
<< Side 1 boring vs. Side 2 great? They are both great! >>
I agree. Froese's finest hour. Well, 30+ minutes. :-) The 'Pinnacle' of
his solo career.
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>
> Hi, I'm new to this list (about a week now)
>
> Has anyone seen 'Miracle Mile' or 'Wavelength'?
Hi, and welcome aboard!
I'm catching up on my email this week and thought I'd drop my $.02 in on
something I know a little about.
Wavelength is a decent 'Hangar 18' type of movie about a pair of
relatively good people who discover that there really was a spacecraft
that crashed in the Mohave desert. I won't give away anything else about
the plot, but my opinion is that of all the Hangar 18 scenarios drekked
out by Hollywood, this one is probably the most intelligent. Sure beats
the hell out of the X-Files (awaiting flames on this one -- before you
send it, be aware that I'm a faithful watcher). Good for a Saturday
night.
Miracle Mile is your basic boy-meets-girl story. For about 20 minutes.
You definitely, absolutely, must see this movie. Definitely a
late-nighter movie, and a good one to watch with your S.O.
You should be able to rent these movies at any major or local video rental
store in the US.
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>
>Hi, I'm new to this list (about a week now)
>
>Has anyone seen 'Miracle Mile' or 'Wavelength'?
>
>I have both of the soundtracks (I like them both, but they're not what
>I
>would term classic)
>I am interested to find out about the films they were scored to, and
>if
>they were any good.
>
>W>G>
>
I have seen both movies and have them on video. Miracle Mile is
definitely the better of the two as far as a plot and acting, but both
are fun to watch. The music of course is great as well.
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Mellotron Frenzy !
This album, to me, is Edgar's finest hour (and a bit). I remember
reading in a now-defunct British e-music mag that Edgar basically
sat down at his 'tron and started playing after coming back from
tour, and let his musical impressions flow. I think the magazine
was called 'Electronic Soundmaker' and featured Ultravox on the
front cover. Many moons ago, so my memories are a bit hazy.
If the Mellotron's manufacturers wanted a showcase for their
instrument, then this must surely be it. Nothing in the world
sounds quite like those nasal strings, vibratos at different
rates and phases. The flute on the other hand seems homogenous
over the length of the keyboard - it's like a solo instrument
instead of a woodwind section. Edgar obviously has an intimate
knowledge of the instrument, selecting notes and chords
which work and avoiding the combinations which don't. His
use of the volume pedal is excellent, too.
Someone criticised the first track for being swamped in
echo. I think this is just a fact of life when you use
the Mellotron as a solo instrument - the notes stop the
instant you release a key, so you require some form of
artificial sustain, whether through reverb or discreet
echoes.
In terms of composition, I think this album is unequalled for
Herr Froese. The impressions of sunshine, sand, wind and
forest that I get are in the notes, not the sounds. This is
most unusual for me, a self-confessed texture fiend. I'd
say that this is the closest you'll get to 'Edgar unplugged'.
His romantic side is exposed like never before (or since ?).
I only have a couple of tiny niggles with Epsilon. The first
is that his use of sequencers and abstract sounds seems
a bit half-hearted and gratuitous. It's like he was sitting
in the studio and thought 'S**t, I'm at the 6 minute mark,
best get an 8-step pattern running in the background.' rather
than having it as an integral part of the composition, as it
would have been with Chris at the controls.
My second niggle concerns his use of the stereo field.
He seems to get bored with instruments staying in one position,
so feels that it's time to throw them about for no reason.
Gratuitous, again.
I personally think the cover is excellent (Did Mr. Nagle
take any inspiration from it for Earthshaper ?) and the
inner sleeve is the work of doting parents showing off
their pride and joy. I still can't wait to see Jerome's
face when I ask him to autograph it ! :-)
Grant
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On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
>>immediately initiate all the usual procedures set forth
>>by the lawyers to delete those bootlegs.
>>--
>>Stefan Stapelberg Fon: +49-9352-89948 RENT-A-GURU (TM)
>> Fax: +49-9352-89949 P.O. Box 1358
>> http://www.netstore.de/ D-97803 Lohr/Main
Just one thing to think about:
Most of the people who's trading boots have _all_ the REGULAR (legal)
TD-disks, too. I'm shure about it. So do I ! And I don't think Edgar and
the boys are getting bankrupt because of some good or poor fantapes, cds...
Rainer
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Hi,
since my _private_ mail to Morgan has been posted on this list,
I will reply on the list to the comments made here.
First, yes, I am reading this list more or less regularily and I
have always enjoyed the discussions going on here, although I am
too busy to actively contribute to those discussions. Second, no,
I am not getting payed to 'lurk on this list' or what you call it.
It was TD who asked me to support their activities on the Internet
including to report infringments of copyrights to their office if
I become aware of such. I am doing this 'job' (and also the whole
TD web site, BTW) in my *spare time* - so much for the reproach
of being 'corporate vampires', Tom W.!
In the past, TD has turned blind eye on bootlegs made for private
use (see also FAQ #66 in the Questions&Answers section of their site).
However, when bootlegs are made available *publicly*, the TD office
has to act accordingly - no matter what the intentions are to publish
those bootlegs and no matter whether they are being sold or not.
As for the announcements to put up samples for public access on a web
site, this is expanding beyond the range of tolerable activity as
Lars did mention in an earlier message. If the lawyers would notice
this, they would take actions against it - and believe me, they
wouldn't send you a friendly email before! First action would be
the order to remove the link to the mailing list from TD's web site.
And Vic, please don't do word-splitting about fan's activities on the
list being regarded as Internet activities of TD or not. If it comes
to infringements of copyrights visible to a broader public ('public'
here not meaning the semi-private mailing list, but any web site
without further access restricitions), it's surely becoming a serious
matter to TDI. This is especially true if people are asking for
recordings to create MP3 clips in the guestbook of TD's official
site (as has been done by accident just yesterday). I even have been
asked by someone to set up an area on the TD web site for exchange
of such bootlegs!!
My mail to Morgan was meant as a friendly advice to think about the
legal aspects of distributing bootlegs this way. It was not meant as
a thread or an attack against the fans - I am also a big fan of TD,
otherwise I wouldn't drive their web site in my spare time to support
(among others) YOU with the latest information. I even did offer to
help finding kind of an 'approved' or at least silently tolerated way
to distribute the clips among the fans non-publicly to avoid getting
letters like the one regarding the unofficial JMJ web sites. This
alone could get me already into trouble!
It is hard enough to get permission to publish certain material
on the official web site like, for example, the 1st part of the
Frankfurt concert currently being prepared for broadcast on the
net - it wouldn't be very conductive if there is a way to get
hands on any bootlegs by following some links on TD's web site.
And I would not be very happy to have to remove the link to the
mailing list from the web site - but there is a risk that I am
forced to do so if bootlegs are exchanged on this list.
What you do or not is absolutely your own decision - but don't
wine when it later comes to confrontations with the lawyers like
in the JMJ case. And don't blame ME for giving you an advice if
you asked for it in the first place.
Best regards,
Stefan
--
Stefan Stapelberg Fon: +49-9352-89948 RENT-A-GURU (TM)
Fax: +49-9352-89949 P.O. Box 1358
http://www.netstore.de/ D-97803 Lohr/Main
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Check out my Web page on this very topic.
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9240/listen.html
Best of luck !
Grant
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In a message dated 97-10-08 02:12:13 EDT, you write:
<< Edited from Stefan's 2nd message to me:
I would be getting into serious troubles if [a lawyer/member of a label]
would notice this. However, I will ask Edgar, whether and in which
form he could permit distribution of such previews in a non-public
way.
like i said, 'i only follow orders'....what a chump....
I would not be very happy to be forced to remove the link to such
a useful resource like the mailing-list from TD's web site because
bootlegs are exchanged on this list. I hope for your understanding.
----Stefan >>
and now they're extending the threats to 'bootlegs' also? the 'exchange' of
bootlegs is NOT illegal...the sale may be, but even the law in that area is
nebulous at best....and he hopes for understanding? give me a break....
tom w
np: tosca - fuck dub
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In a message dated 97-10-07 11:14:59 EDT,
<< Maroubra Bay just doesn't do the same for me, it appears less complex
and somewhat less convincing to me.
Dennis >>
Well said.
Phil Naunton
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It is my #1 priority to do NOTHING to make The Man unhappy. There are a
thousand reasons for this and I hope everyone understands that. Having
never been to one of their concerts, I have gotten wrapped up in this whole
scene of unreleased music. And what I thought was the next logical step
seems to have caused quite a fire.
I am, of course, extremely confused about the state of things in relation
to copyright law. Frankly, I don't want to press a point, but is EVERY note
of music that a band plays, while under contract, the property of that
music company?
#1 I'm not going anywhere. I'm staying on the list and will probably trade
tapes with people privately.
#2 I'm going to support Stefan and Tangerine Dream regardless of my
feelings about the whole thing. Copyright law is really starting to piss me
off. The people who *should* be protected, aren't. And of course, the other
way around.
#3 Absolutely, Tangerine Dream should get oodles of revenue from it's
official releases. We as fans are absolutely puzzled that there remain
hours of unreleased music. Especially considering the recent *release
ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING* campaign by the family Froese. I am extremely
anxious, as I think we all are, for The Man to start publishing this stuff.
I've already started garnishing my wages for when this happens.
Morgan
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Here we go again. . .
>In the past, TD has turned blind eye on bootlegs made for
private
>use (see also FAQ #66 in the Questions&Answers section of their
site).
>However, when bootlegs are made available *publicly*, the TD
office
>has to act accordingly - no matter what the intentions are to
publish
>those bootlegs and no matter whether they are being sold or
not.
I think we need to define some terms here. First, a 'bootleg' is
a CD, LP or tape mass-produced for profit through distribution to fans.
It is illegal, and morally wrong because the bootleggers profit from the
work of others.
'Fan tapes' on the other hand, are not mass-produced and not for
profit. They are illegal, yes, but they are morally right because they
hurt the bootleggers! I do not own a single TD bootleg, CD or LP, for
the very reason that I can get tape copies of them. Why pay $20 for
'Patrolling Space Borders' when I can get a tape copy for maybe $3 at
most? Concert taping and tape proliferation, I would argue, HELPS the
band. Let me explain: live tapes help expose people to the live music of
a band. In TD's case, for many years each concert was a brand-new
experience, so a listener of tape of their shows would see unique,
dynamic, creative band they are, and this creates the deisre for more of
their recorded work. Large lists of TD tapes circulating around the 'net
also build interest in the band. I'm on many tape trade sites and people
see the TD tapes on my list and say 'Tangerine Dream. I've heard of
them, what are they like?' Probably a dozen people have asked me this,
and about half I've converted to TD fans. Let me use another example.
About a year ago, a fellow trader, to balance a trade out, offered me
two Phish tapes in trade. I had never heard Phish before, since they are
not on the radio very frequently. I accepted his offer, and immediately
fell in love with this band. To date, I have purchased all 7 of their
releases, and not a single one of their bootlegs, and I plan on seeing
them in Cleveland in December. So you can see, live tapes helped make a
fan out of me. In Phish's case, I would argue that a large part of their
fanatical following is due to the fact that they allow people to tape
their shows, and have special sections set up to tape, just like the
Dead did. Until Garcia's death in 1995, the Dead the THE MOST PROFITABLE
band in history. Bob Weir said they hadn't NOT sold out a concert since
1971! TD, Phish and the Dead all, I believe, are live 'experiences'
rather than just concerts, and allowing taping, I believe, spreads the
TD gospel.
Sorry for the use of bandwidth.
Scott
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In a message dated 97-10-07 04:46:39 EDT
<<
Mind you people said precisely the same thing about analogue snyths when
they
first arrives - souless, mechanical (if that's possible for something
electrical) and so on.
I'm almost postive that in 20 years time people will be yearning for sounds
made by those good ol' 16-bit samplers and sample+synthesis boxes.
Alan >>
Too true. The natural impulse is to resist change, and remember the
'good old days' and 'Golden Years'. All we have are our memories.
Everything else is as so much dust in the road behind us.
Phil Naunton
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In a message dated 97-10-08 03:07:02 EDT, you write:
<< OK I'm going to go out on a limb here and defend stephan (rent-a-guru).
Morgan, this isn't meant to have any offense to you; it's just an analysis,
I've tried to keep my opinions about what you were doing out of this.
OK, people have posted to this list information about samples and photos on
web pages and lots of related stuff to this list since Stephan joined
(remember he's been at this for awhile -- january 97?). Hell, even the
bush tape tree has run openly in that time -- all of this without comment.
He never hid the fact that he was reading this list as a lurker, it has
just been forgotten that he was there. Hell, we all know there is a fair
chance that even The Man sees bits of list from time to time. If he hand't
seen it or had seen it and disapproved, you can bet tadream wouldn't be
mentioned on His web page.
I don't think TDI has changed its policies or that this is the beginning of
a vicious (sorry, can't spell tonight) attack on its hardest-core fans.
I really think Morgan brought this upon himself (Sorry Morgan). OK, let's
look at the facts:
You openly solicited tracks (yes you did say on one post: 'buy td's legit
albums'); you bought more web space to upload more samples, talking in some
cases about 3 megabyte samples; you encouraged lots of people to download
these samples; you even were talking about 20 people/day 2..5 gigabytes of
downloading/month. I think this is what got Stephan's attention. It could
seem like you were expanding well beyond the range of tolerable activity.
-- hey, you even said you weren't sure of the copyright implications and
were checking into it. -- you were asking for advice and he answered.
True, there wasn't anything in it for you; nevertheless, you were
distributing and (at potentially 2.5 gigabytes/month) in a more than
'modest' fashion.
OK, turning to Stephan's letter. Maybe he was writing at the behest of The
Man himself. maybe it was -- as he states -- just a friendly warning; I
tend to think of it as the latter. In comparison with the Jarre letter
posted earlier, I'd have to take him for his word. He's not talking about
reporting you and putting your name in some international database, he's
just giving you a warning; he says it's a friendly word of advice, not a
threat; maybe he's telling the truth.
No offense to the lawyers on this list, but the very LAST thing you want to
deal with is a lawyer, on the professional level (not as 'people') they are
paid to be scum with a gang-rape mentality (at least every one I've had the
displeasure to deal with).
I think the essential difference between doing what you were doing (and I'm
not trying to judge here) and, say, tape trading is that you were talking
(potentially) about mass distribution; a tape trade goes on between two
people and is a rather private thing. Similarly, the bush tree comprised
individual trades with no profit. had we proposed making and distributing
a list bootleg instead, you can be sure we'd be getting a letter directly
from that lawyer in london and not a private message from stephan.
I have very serious doubts that EF has launched a campaign against the
fans. I suspect it will be business as usual and that stephan was just
trying to do his job. Maybe we don't like his job but it is his job. I
don't think he intended to alienate you, morgan, or other fans; he did send
the letter to you privately and not to the list, right?
I'll withhold judgment until I see further evidence that TDI is on the
rampage against its fans; I doubt it will be forthcoming.
with apologies
lars
>>
lars: i think it goes alot deeper than this...what i see is a corporate
entity attempting to restrict what u talk about on this list (bootlegs) and
what people put up on their web sites...and what i see is a trend: the jarre
note, the star trek fiasco, the oasis persecution, etc...and what i fear may
happen, is corporate muscle not only taking over this thing we have called
the internet, but also restrict whatever is left over...it starts with simple
'friendly' warnings, then it goes to legal action, and then it goes to buying
off politicians to get legislative authority to unilaterally shut-down
sites...call me paranoid, but the internet is the last great frontier of
democracy, and i would hate to see it become another tool controlled by
business and money....i also think that td has begun a campaign against their
fans, and their better ones at that....remember the 'beyond the horizon'
maelstrom?...and now, as rent-a-guru's second note indicates, they are
contemplating removing the link because we discuss bootlegs? huh? this is not
illegal by any stretch of the imagination...neither is 'exchanging'
bootlegs...if they were going to go up against the large scale manufacturers
id have a bit more sympathy, but not against the people who have been with
them come hell or high water...what is lacking on tds part is any kind of
respect to the very people who are their bread and butter...it is so
illogical, imo, that it saddens me to see them stoop to this level...
tom w
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OK, we've heard stefan's side of the story; thanks stefan for posting it
here.
For my part, having publically defended stefan, I am now going to take
Stefan to task on one point. I hope my comments don't seem to be a personal
attack against you, Stefan, they are not meant that way:
Stefan writes:
>And I would not be very happy to have to remove the link to the
>mailing list from the web site - but there is a risk that I am
>forced to do so if bootlegs are exchanged on this list.
I have to say, no offense intended to you, stefan, that this really
irritates me.
What is exchanged between people is their business; if people meet on this
list and swap items, some of which happen to be bootlegs, that is their
business. if TDI wishes to sever this list's link to the TD website they
should do so *immediately* because bootlegs ARE exchanged by members of
this list.
But of course, TDI should just shut down the official TD website because
boots are also exchanged by other fans of TD who are not on this list.
They meet through the TD guestbook postings and exchange mail and bootlegs
that way as well. so, you see, YOU and TDI are supporting the exchange of
bootlegs just as you wrongly imply that this list supports the exchange of
bootlegs.
What I am saying is that we need to make a very clear distinction here.
There is a very big difference between private and sponsored activity.
Members of this list exchange bootlegs. that is a fact and will always be a
fact whether or not the list is linked to TDs website. It will also be a
fact on whatever list TD is discussed. This is not a sponsored activity
and has never been. That is to say, neither 'this list' nor the list owner
support the exchange of bootlegs. Further this list, unlike morgan's
website *unintentionally* became, is neither designed for nor intended as
the base for illegal activity.
Perhaps Edgar would just prefer to shut down all the lists where bootlegs
are openly discussed and, quite possibly, exchanged. But then this list is
a free arena of discussion. if offers and solicitations for the exchange of
bootlegs are made, that falls well within freedom of speech protected under
the First Amendment of the US constitution. Maybe Edgar would like to
waste some of his money challenging that in a US court?
While I understand that you, personally, may not have intended your
comments as a threaT, a threaT is clearly implied in your latest message.
You imply action WILL be taken against this group because of the action of
some of its members. You are suggesting that if some list members don't
change their behavior, all of us on the list are going to lose collectively
the list's link to the official website. That constitutes a threat
(whether intended or not).
We are free to discuss the exchange of bootlegs (whether they are really
exchanged is another matter requiring a burden or proof beyond a reasonable
doubt); TDI is free to sever the link to the website. I encourage you and
TDI to exercise that freedom. For my part, I have always found actions and
threats like this to be petty and vindictive.
Bootlegs are going to be exchanged by members of this list, space music,
gold tri, AOL's list, and those of any other list INCLUDING by those who
use the official TD web site guest book. Why not just chop out all the
links on TD's website?
TDI's real enemy is not the list but those who engage in these activites
for profit; be sure to make that clear when any threat is made. Of course,
most (but not all) of those who engage in this activity (exchanging boots)
are also TD's hardest of hard core fans. Most of the hard-core fans
already own all of TD's legitimate releases three or four times over (ie: I
own 5 or 6 different copies of Goblin's Club); I think Edgar knows this and
maybe that's why he has always turned the other cheek on *private*
activity.
So, now I ask the list members: The gauntlet has been thrown down. What's
it going to be? Are we going to be good little boys and girls and discuss
and exchange only the official TD releases or are we going to continue
exercising freedom of speech as usual?
I know that is not exactly what Stefan may have been implying, but what's
going to happen when the D:list turns to bootlegs? If we talk about boots,
must we fear action/retaliation from TDI because this implies that boots
have been and are being exchanged 'on the list'? When the D:list turns to
boots, solicitations to buy and sell are bound to appear because there is
no List Master controlling the content of this list. Are we as listmembers
going to receive some kind of mark just because we are members of this
list? are we going to have to fear that TDI's london lawyers are going to
single us out individually because we are members of this list or because
we have mentioned a bootleg or live tape? Will there be a knock at the
door after midnight? Will Edgar send his goons to seize any non-legitmate
release in our collections just because of something we said in public on
this list? Do you, Stefan (and Edgar too) see where this is going?
Let's take a vote! Are we going to be Mice or Fans?
Here's my vote: sever the link and cut the umbilicial cord to the web site.
this list existed long before the web site and is not dependent on the web
site for its membership. Of course, I am NOT the list owner nor do I
pretend speak for him. But I do consider this a fundamental First
Amendment issue.
enough?
lars
Oh, yes, then there's that matter of Antarktis and 20th Century Seranades.
What is exactly is the story about those BOOTLEGS, gee let's ask EDGAR!
Then there are TDs close and *personal* associations with numerous
collectors whom THEY KNOW own and exchange bootlegs. Will they start to
sever connections in their personal life as well? Oh yes, then there are
those TV and radio appearances. Stefan, did you know that most bootlegs
are made from radio broadcasts? Surely TD is aware of this as well. Maybe
they should stop broadcasting their concerts and music and interviews. Oh
yes, then there's photos........
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On Oct 7, 6:36pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Re: Miracle Mile, Wavelength
> Really-From: feldon@p...
>
>
(...)
>
> Miracle Mile is about a guy who gets a call on a pay phone and on the other
> end is a guy from Iran or something saying 'is that you, name>? We just launched the missles to the US... are you there? answer me?'
> Very dark movie.
>
Woo! Morgan, you're way off base about the call... The guy gets a call form
someone in a missile silo in Kansas, trying to call his father in California,
but who screwed-up the regional long distance prefix code ('Is this Orange
county?' he asks when he figures this is not his dad speaking at the other end)
And the missiles are launched BY THE U.S., against the Soviet Union, as a
pre-emptive strike and guy in the silo warns that, by the time the Soviet
detects them, they will retaliate within 3 hours. This also explains why all
the US congress, the senator, etc., already left the US (as the character
played by Denise Crosby finds out when she calls he friend the senator on her
cellular phone from the diner).
>
> Morgan
> feldon@p...
>
>-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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In a message dated 97-10-07 09:58:41 EDT, you write:
<< 'Flight NGC891 is now departing for Alpha Centauri,
Plejades and towards the Evening Star...' >>
LOL
Phil Naunton
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In a message dated 97-10-08 10:29:51 EDT, you write:
<< Here's my vote: sever the link and cut the umbilicial cord to the web
site.
this list existed long before the web site and is not dependent on the web
site for its membership. Of course, I am NOT the list owner nor do I
pretend speak for him. But I do consider this a fundamental First
Amendment issue. >>
thanks lars....tom w
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while we're onthe topic; one clarification is needed:
I (Lars) said:
> He [stefan] never hid the fact that he was reading this list as a lurker,
it >has just been forgotten that he was there.
Stefan said:
>Second, no, I am not getting payed to 'lurk on this list' or what you call
it.
>It was TD who asked me to support their activities on the Internet
>including to report infringments of copyrights to their office if
>I become aware of such. I am doing this 'job' (and also the whole
>TD web site, BTW) in my *spare time*
Clarification: a 'lurker' is not a perjorative; it does not mean
'informant' or 'spy'. It simply refers to someone who reads but rarely
participates in discussions on the mailing list. You admit reading it from
time to time but you have not participated in discussions. You and about
300 other list members are, therefore, 'lurkers.'
Having said, this, however, I would note that you do admit to acting as an
informant for TDI in your message:
>It was TD who asked me [...] to report infringments of copyrights to their
>office if I become aware of such.
Is this part of your job description? Are you obligated to report such
infringements? Did you ever mention this publically on the list before
now? (I can't find your original or your introductory post at the moment)
If you did, then there is no reason to feel guilty about being an
'informant' since that would have been stated publically. If, however, you
never stated publically that this was part of your TDI role, then you are,
in fact, a corporate spy on this list.
that's the nature of the game.
lars
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EdHeads,
What evidence is there that tape trading (etc) without profit is legal?
If I stood outside Tower giving away pirate copies of Rubycon I think
I'd be dumped on from a great height. Live music is no less copyright
than recorded music (although the copyright owner may differ).
I think the whole issue of tolerating fan taping is a difficult one. If
you allow blatant 'good' ripping-off to to go on with your knowledge, it
might come back to bite you in court when you try to sue a pirate. I
guess Stefan is worried by the link to the list being used as 'evidence'
of TD's awareness of it going on. And it would be hard to draw the line
(legally) between downloadable Keep extracts and downloadable complete
albums.
Still, it was good while it lasted. Thanks, Morgan.
For the record, Airsculpture explicitly allow recording and non-profit
distribution of our concerts.
JC
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Tom writes:
>lars: i think it goes alot deeper than this...what i see is a corporate
>entity attempting to restrict what u talk about on this list (bootlegs)
and
>what people put up on their web sites...
-- yes, I totally agree as you will see in my second post on this subject
which was being written and sent while your message hit tadream. I'm
trying to walk a fine line. on the one hand, defending stefan and pointing
out simply that morgan called down the wrath of the gods on himself and
stefan may have actually thought he was being a nice guy (I actually tend
to believe him on that point). on the other hand, my second post goes on
the attack because I think what stefan is saying in his second post is no
less threatening than the JMJ letter.
>call me paranoid,
-- the though never occured to me :-)
>but the internet is the last great frontier of
>democracy, and i would hate to see it become another tool controlled by
>business and money....
-- sadly I think this is inevitable but that doesn't mean I think we should
drop 'trou' and bend over
>i also think that td has begun a campaign against
>their fans, and their better ones at that....remember the 'beyond the
>horizon' maelstrom?...and now, as rent-a-guru's second note indicates,
>they are contemplating removing the link because we discuss bootlegs?
>huh? this is not illegal by any stretch of the imagination...neither is
>'exchanging' bootlegs...if they were going to go up against the large
scale >manufacturers id have a bit more sympathy, but not against the
people >who have been with them come hell or high water...what is lacking
on tds >part is any kind of respect to the very people who are their bread
and >butter...it is so illogical, imo, that it saddens me to see them
stoop to this >level...
-- I totally agree. whether Stefan intended to or not he spoke for TDI
because of his direct association with TDI as an employee (or 'volunteer')
lars
(see I'm not as bad as you think ;-)
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Howdy Dreamers,
Just weighing in with my 2 cents worth. I've got to agree with Lars on
the matter. While I do see Stefens point, I must admit this private forum is
not the place to start the threat of lawsuit etc. As a new inductee to the
world of private/boots I gotta admit I am thrilled when I can kick back after a
stressful day at work and 'go to a Concert' by my favorite band. I dont see the
harm in trading with friends who like the same thing. And when I spend a good
chunk of my paycheck on the Artists legit releases, I DO
expect a little leeway. When I have gotten all I can fom my local Best Buy or
Circuit City ( which ain't much) I turn to the net, and occasionally I find a
rare tune or two I want. Now if I'm getting that from a fan who loves the band
as much as I do.....wheres the harm? While I can find fault with selling mass
quantities of bootlegs-that's not what you will find here. There are no long
repeat lists of cd/tapes that are being sold by someone who could care less
about the different serial numbers in the lower right corner etc.
I gotta side with the 'take us off the TD link' group. I found intelligent fans
thru the site and If this is how they want to deal with us....it makes me sad.
Next thing you know , we'll all have to retort to snail mail again egad!
with respect to TD,
Chris
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On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> At 06:43 PM 10/7/1997 -0500, Morgan wrote:
> But I don't get all this noise! Jarre gives away his concerts,
> fergoonessakes. I have 19 CDs of his. Somebody quickly count how
> many boots as I must have, given that I have ALL the commercial
> stuff he put out in 25 years. And I also have ALL TD's commercial
> product! ALL. So I have over 110 CDs. Whatsit to them? It's not
> like I am Red China or Bulgaria and all I ever buy is boots.
> Andrew
HI Andrew !
Just wanna say: I AGREE 100% with you ! You are damm' right !
I have approx 60 LPs and approx 110 CDs, too. So I have (most) of
the commercial stuff ever released from TD in the last 30 years !
Some of my boots (I AM A VICTIM !) are poor - some are nice. It's
only a addon to the regular stuff. TD released 'TOURNADO' in the
last weeks: But why only the 2nd half of the concert ? Where's the
first one ? Now, a DIE-HARD fan like me is searching the first half,
too. The only possibility are boots ! But: I WAS BUYING TOURNADO !
And I payd 32 DM for it !
Am I with one leg in a prism ?! (like we say here in Germany)
We are only fans - nothing else !
Rainer
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In a message dated 97-10-08 07:58:53 EDT, you write:
while u have clarified ur involvement in this debacle, u have made the issue
far more inflammatory imo.. my comments are below ur paragraph breaks...
<< Really-From: stefan@b... (Stefan Stapelberg)
Hi,
since my _private_ mail to Morgan has been posted on this list,
I will reply on the list to the comments made here.
First, yes, I am reading this list more or less regularily and I
have always enjoyed the discussions going on here, although I am
too busy to actively contribute to those discussions. Second, no,
I am not getting payed to 'lurk on this list' or what you call it.
It was TD who asked me to support their activities on the Internet
including to report infringments of copyrights to their office if
I become aware of such. I am doing this 'job' (and also the whole
TD web site, BTW) in my *spare time* - so much for the reproach
of being 'corporate vampires', Tom W.!
>no, u arent a corporate vampire, u are much worse...a snitch...an
informer...u read the list, and then report on 'infringements of
copyrights'...and what, may i ask, qualifies you as a arbitrator of copyright
infringement? are u a lawyer? judge and jury? or is ur opinion,
automatically, evidence of copyright infringement? this is very dangerous...
In the past, TD has turned blind eye on bootlegs made for private
use (see also FAQ #66 in the Questions&Answers section of their site).
However, when bootlegs are made available *publicly*, the TD office
has to act accordingly - no matter what the intentions are to publish
those bootlegs and no matter whether they are being sold or not.
>so the past is no more huh? and there is a big difference between 'made
available' and sale and distribution...and yes, there is something called
'intent', a concept u seem to be unfamiliar with...possession of a bootleg is
NOT illegal....neither is discussion thereof....
As for the announcements to put up samples for public access on a web
site, this is expanding beyond the range of tolerable activity as
Lars did mention in an earlier message.
>how do u figure? so i guess that when beyond the horizon limits their scope
of print coverage of td that also warrants as expanding 'beyond the range of
tolerable activity'? and unless those ranges are defined, legally, ur
definition of that holds little water....
If the lawyers would notice
this, they would take actions against it - and believe me, they
wouldn't send you a friendly email before!
>well, especially if you've already reported to your superiors on what u
believe to be 'infringement of copyright'...
First action would be
the order to remove the link to the mailing list from TD's web site.
>trembling all over....
And Vic, please don't do word-splitting about fan's activities on the
list being regarded as Internet activities of TD or not. If it comes
to infringements of copyrights visible to a broader public ('public'
here not meaning the semi-private mailing list, but any web site
without further access restricitions),
>speaking of 'word-splitting'...
it's surely becoming a serious
matter to TDI. This is especially true if people are asking for
recordings to create MP3 clips in the guestbook of TD's official
site (as has been done by accident just yesterday). I even have been
asked by someone to set up an area on the TD web site for exchange
of such bootlegs!!
>so? just say no...if u dont do it someone else will....its called supply and
demand...
My mail to Morgan was meant as a friendly advice to think about the
legal aspects of distributing bootlegs this way. It was not meant as
a thread or an attack against the fans -
>bullshit,,,, to attempt to restrict discussion is an attack on ALL people,
including the ones who feed ur bosses....
I am also a big fan of TD,
otherwise I wouldn't drive their web site in my spare time to support
(among others) YOU with the latest information.
>yeah, like dont talk about bootlegs and dont put up samples on ur web sites
or we'll send the legal squad...
I even did offer to
help finding kind of an 'approved' or at least silently tolerated way
to distribute the clips among the fans non-publicly to avoid getting
letters like the one regarding the unofficial JMJ web sites. This
alone could get me already into trouble!
>what a joke...ur humanity astounds me....not to mention it being
hypocritical...is it illegal or not? and ur gonna control that site right?
It is hard enough to get permission to publish certain material
on the official web site like, for example, the 1st part of the
Frankfurt concert currently being prepared for broadcast on the
net - it wouldn't be very conductive if there is a way to get
hands on any bootlegs by following some links on TD's web site.
And I would not be very happy to have to remove the link to the
mailing list from the web site - but there is a risk that I am
forced to do so if bootlegs are exchanged on this list.
>ill take a hard working fan's labor of love before ur shitty webcast any
day...and bootlegs will continue to be 'exchanged' whether or not it's on
this list....
What you do or not is absolutely your own decision - but don't
wine when it later comes to confrontations with the lawyers like
in the JMJ case. And don't blame ME for giving you an advice if
you asked for it in the first place.
>again, ur humanity and sense of decency touches me....
Best regards,
Stefan
>>
>u really are pathetic...but u and ur ilk are becoming increasingly visible
on the net...ur priorities are all screwed up...this is what happens when
people are bought off...btw, theres alot of bootlegs being pressed in
bulgaria...have a nice day....
tom w
np: clash - police and thieves
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>EdHeads,
>
>What evidence is there that tape trading (etc) without profit is legal?
>If I stood outside Tower giving away pirate copies of Rubycon I think
>I'd be dumped on from a great height. Live music is no less copyright
>than recorded music (although the copyright owner may differ).
Um, the difference between a pirate (mind if I vomit?) and a bootleg,
(which contains unreleased music) is an important one.
>I think the whole issue of tolerating fan taping is a difficult one. If
>you allow blatant 'good' ripping-off to to go on with your knowledge, it
>might come back to bite you in court when you try to sue a pirate.
Define 'ripping off'... Is it ripping off to allow people to hear music
that only the people at the concert heard?
>I
>guess Stefan is worried by the link to the list being used as 'evidence'
>of TD's awareness of it going on.
TD *is* aware that there is tape-trading. So what? Now they can focus on
the pirate bastards.
>And it would be hard to draw the line
>(legally) between downloadable Keep extracts and downloadable complete
>albums.
It would be extremely EASY to differentiate between a pirate and a bootleg.
Who owns the copyright for the music played during the concert? A pirate is
a disgusting piece of excrement. A bootleg is the only way some of us are
going to hear approximately 1/3rd of Tangerine Dream's output.
>Still, it was good while it lasted. Thanks, Morgan.
I'm an expert at rocking the boat and starting conversation on this list,
aren't I? (waiting for someone to say, bloody moron gotta take center
stage all the time---true! and also a fault of mine)
>For the record, Airsculpture explicitly allow recording and non-profit
>distribution of our concerts.
:)
Morgan
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At 10:14 AM 10/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-10-08 03:07:02 EDT, you write:
>
><< OK I'm going to go out on a limb here and defend stephan (rent-a-guru).
> Morgan, this isn't meant to have any offense to you; it's just an analysis,
> I've tried to keep my opinions about what you were doing out of this.
I've re-read this message you typed Lars, and I'm looking at it fresh.
> I really think Morgan brought this upon himself (Sorry Morgan). OK, let's
> look at the facts:
I didn't bring a damn thing on myself.
> You openly solicited tracks (yes you did say on one post: 'buy td's legit
> albums');
I *what*? What are you talking about? Where did you get the idea that *I'm*
selling anything? It says buy TD's legit albums. Um... what does that have
to do with the price of tea in China? If I said, 'buy my bootlegs' (I don't
sell ANY of this stuff), then yes, throw me to the wolves. I was making it
clear that people should buy legitimate TD music. Um... am I
misinterpreting what you said?
>you bought more web space to upload more samples, talking in some
> cases about 3 megabyte samples;
Um, that a crime? I encourage people to buy more webspace. 3 MB sucks.
>you encouraged lots of people to download
> these samples;
Um, and should I not? Define 'lots'...
> you even were talking about 20 people/day 2..5 gigabytes of
> downloading/month.
Um, I was stating figures as to how LITTLE traffic 2.5gb a month really is.
I was getting 30 hits a day. I've operated websites with 80,000 hits a
month, so I know about traffic. 20 hits ain't nothin.
>I think this is what got Stephan's attention. It could
> seem like you were expanding well beyond the range of tolerable activity.
> -- hey, you even said you weren't sure of the copyright implications and
> were checking into it. -- you were asking for advice and he answered.
That's the only thing I agree with so far...
> True, there wasn't anything in it for you; nevertheless, you were
> distributing and (at potentially 2.5 gigabytes/month) in a more than
> 'modest' fashion.
Hmm...
> OK, turning to Stephan's letter. Maybe he was writing at the behest of The
> Man himself. maybe it was -- as he states -- just a friendly warning; I
> tend to think of it as the latter. In comparison with the Jarre letter
> posted earlier, I'd have to take him for his word. He's not talking about
> reporting you and putting your name in some international database, he's
> just giving you a warning; he says it's a friendly word of advice, not a
> threat; maybe he's telling the truth.
Well, the page is down. Now the next task is for us to lick our wounds and
decide how this affects the list and the free trade of our favorite music...
> I have very serious doubts that EF has launched a campaign against the
> fans. I suspect it will be business as usual and that stephan was just
> trying to do his job. Maybe we don't like his job but it is his job. I
> don't think he intended to alienate you, morgan, or other fans; he did send
> the letter to you privately and not to the list, right?
Well, I could have quietly pulled the plug, but that goes against my
nature. Maybe that's a personality fault of mine (one of many).
By the way, just to freak everyone out...
The US Senate is attempting to pass a bill (promoted by the copyright
people/thought police) that would criminalize possession of equipment which
has the sole purpose of making copies. This would include VCRs and
CD-Recorders.
Morgan
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I guess I should cancel my plans to make exactly 25 copies of Logotypes on
CD-R to celebrate the 25 year anniversary of the Logos concert (I know
Logotypes was recorded at a different show). I was gonna sell them for $4
plus shipping. Yes, CDs for $4 each... That's basically my cost.
Oh well...Maybe I should ask Stefan... :)
Morgan
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In a message dated 97-10-08 12:04:02 EDT, you write:
<< lars
(see I'm not as bad as you think ;-)
>>
i never said that, nor did it ever cross my mind...even though when u see my
response to mr. rent-a-guru, u may think that of me....read on....
tom w
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
I have refrained from saying anything in this whole bootleg discussion up
until now, preferring to let those with a personal stake in it make their
opening arguments.
Speaking as someone who does not actively particpate in the bootleg tape
circuit, I can see the validity to both sides of this argument. That
people who seek bootleg recordings already own copies of every legitimate
release is practically a truism. Many valid points have been made on the
side of the fans. Just to play Devil's Advocate, let me just say that I
don't think that Stefan is Evil Incarnate. You can say that he was 'just
following orders', but I find the implications of these words distasteful.
Consider the fact that he might just have been trying to cover your ass
before it gets shot at.
While there's lots of talk about democracy and free speech and yadda
yadda yadda, this is really about business. And TDI - like any business -
has to look after its interests. If you don't stand up for yourself, then
you'll get stepped on. That the Froeses have had numerous unhappy
dealings with labels and distributors is well documented, so it doesn't
surprise me that they would be getting a bit trigger-happy. They're only
trying to guard their work, and ensure that they'll be compensated for it.
I don't think they really care about the fact that fans are swapping
tapes. It's all about establishing a precendent. The danger of posting
high quality sound recordings on the net is that it opens the door to
copies of official recordings being distributed the same way. I'm not
saying that any of us would do that, but someone less scrupulous might.
This is going to become a common problem in the years ahead, as bandwidth
increases and quality gets more sophisticated. One might argue that this
is exactly why lawyers are being unleashed upon fans. Legal precedents
are everything. I think all Stefan was suggesting was: be more discreet
about it.
As for the internet being turned over to corporate interests, give it up.
It's going to happen whether we like it or not. There's too much money
to be made, and that's the way our societies work.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'A paranoiac is someone
in possession of the facts'
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Date: Wed Oct 8, 1997 7:26
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Subject: Re : TD Samples
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Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182
Well, this has really got a couple of people worked up, hasn't it? At the risk
of being called names myself, I'd have to say that some of the comments aimed
at Stefan appear to be deliberately offensive and personal, and I don't think
that's likely to help anyone. Especially since Stefan is doing his 'job', and
appeared to be giving Mrogan the benefit of the doubt in offering advice.
(Digging myself quite a hole, here, amn't I?)
There are one or two things which I'd like to have answers to though - if
Stefan and other list members could provide answers to some of these, then
perhaps we could all put the whole thing into perspective and 'decide' what to
do next.
1 - Stefan - have you, or anyone else, contacted and 'warned' the various
on-line mailing stores which sell bootlegs? I do not use on-line stores myself,
but I know that some stores did sell these items previously. Have they all
stopped trading, or is this an activity which you are willing to turn a blind
eye to?
2 - Stefan - have you, or anyone else, contacted and 'warned' the various other
on-line resources which provide photos and soundclips, many of which are
operated by fans like yourself - people willing to spend their 'spare-time'
talking about their favourite band and music, and setting up resources which
spread the word?
3 - Stefan - have you, or anyone else, considered ceasing contact with the
various members of this list who discuss and (possibly - I don't know for sure)
trade bootlegs and fan-tapes, but who appear to have pesonal contact with TD
and TDI?
4 - Members - how many of us have joined this list after seeing it on the
Web-page?
5 - Members - how many of us learned about the web-page via this list?
6 - Members - how many of us care if this list appears on the official web-page
or not?
Okay, I'll offer answers to the last three questions above :
4 - not me, I've been on this list for around 4 years now, way before the
web-page started.
5 - I did, as with most things the list was first with the news (for me, at
least).
6 - of course I care : there is likely to be some people who joined us via the
web-page. But do I care enough to allow the web-page to dictate the content of
the list? No! If this list wanted or needed a list administrator, Dave would
have allocated one when the list was started. First it'll be bootlegs, next we
won't be allowed to talk about ex-members (especially if their output is better
than TD's latest!).
As I see it, Stefan/TDI have three options :
a) Sue every member of this list, especially those who talk about boots.
b) Leave us as we are, but cut the link from the web-page.
c) Leave us as we are, leave the link from the web-page in place, and let us
get on with our business as we have been doing for the last, what, 7 years?
I also see that we members have a couple of options, too :
a) Take Stefan at his word, and accept that his 'friendly advice' was meant
with our best intentions at heart. Perhaps our activities need to be a little
less 'grand-scaled' (accepting that this is a subjective term which some
members may not feel was applicable in this specific case).
b) Keep up the personal abuse and make TDI/Stefan's decision for them/him.
I vote for option a).
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GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>What evidence is there that tape trading (etc) without profit
is legal?
Actually, no one's sure. I just talked to a colleague who is a
copyright lawyer, and he says that the US courts have been silent on
this issue. He thinks, though, that since it's a live performance, it is
NOT EXACTLY what's on the album, which is copyrighted. Also, concerts
are semi-public performances, to which you (if you're the taper) are a
witness, therefore you have the right to tape it, as long as your intent
is not to infringe on the owner's copyright. (I.e. not sell it or use it
as a reason not to buy legit releases). Also, unless the band could
prove actual damages resulted from said taping, they may have no legal
recourse. I.e., unless TD could show exactly how much money they lost
from Lars' tape collection, they'd have no luck going after him.
The US legal tradition differs from many in that the plaintiff
must prove he lost money, or someone made money from copying his work.
>If I stood outside Tower giving away pirate copies of Rubycon I
think
>I'd be dumped on from a great height. Live music is no less
copyright
>than recorded music (although the copyright owner may differ).
It is, but no one has agreed how it is different.
>I think the whole issue of tolerating fan taping is a difficult
one. If
>you allow blatant 'good' ripping-off to to go on with your
knowledge, it
>might come back to bite you in court when you try to sue a
pirate. I
No, I don't think so. Bootlegging is producing something for
profit, and is easily recognizable (you make the CD's, print cover art,
etc.). Phish, for example, pursues bootleggers, but allows fan taping. I
think the distinction is clear.
>guess Stefan is worried by the link to the list being used as
'evidence'
>of TD's awareness of it going on. And it would be hard to draw
the line
>(legally) between downloadable Keep extracts and downloadable
complete
>albums.
On the other hand, if I download a sample of the Keep, and like
it, I'll buy the disc, no? Free advertising!
>For the record, Airsculpture explicitly allow recording and
non-profit
>distribution of our concerts.
Cool! You're in good company.
Scott
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>yadda yadda, this is really about business. And TDI - like any
business -
>has to look after its interests. If you don't stand up for
yourself, then
True, but it's kind of ironic to see leaders of multi-million
dollar companies (NOT TDI) complaining about how home taping costs them
money. They're just trying to scrape every last pfennig they can. I'm
speaking of Warner Bros., MCA, etc., not TDI.
Scott
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
I absolutely agree with what you´ve sayed, Sean.
[...]
> This is going to become a common problem in the years ahead, as bandwidth
> increases and quality gets more sophisticated.
No, it´s STARTING to become a problem.
The public TV companies of Germany wanted to introduce a new kind of
fee/duty
for any PC which is used in a company and IS connected to the internet.
They wanted to introduce it ´cause 'Every Internet-PC is able to receive
TV-programs and audio broadcast' - Means a tax 'for the ability'
and not one for the usage ! Germans have to pay a fee for every TV-set,
since it´s
able to receive public and/or private TV programs, btw.
They put off the decision concerning the fee - only for a short period of
time
(one year or so).
Jens
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Subject: Re: Miracle Mile, Wavelength
At 16:10 199710.07 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>in real time, as they try to get together and escape Los Angeles. Not
>exactly a picker-upper, but I have a soft spot for depressing cinema.
You want depressing? Two weeks after the film released, the Pan Pacific
Theatre burnt down. This movie was the last appearance of this wonderful,
yet dilapidated example of Streamline Moderne architecture. In fact the
scene shot was an outdoor performance fund raiser to save the very same
theatre!
'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road.
/^\
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> True, but it's kind of ironic to see leaders of multi-million
> dollar companies (NOT TDI) complaining about how home taping costs them
> money. They're just trying to scrape every last pfennig they can. I'm
> speaking of Warner Bros., MCA, etc., not TDI.
It's not ironic at all. These corporations are in the business of making
their shareholders happy, which means crushing opposition and increasing
profit. Thus we pay 20 bucks for new CDs, 30 dollars for concert
tickets...and have most of what we see and hear controlled by 6
conglommerates. Their thinking mirrors that of the Pentagon's: roll over
the small nuisances to serve as an example to others. If you can't have
the people's respect, than rule with fear.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'A paranoiac is someone
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Really-From: Vic Rek
>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>Here's my vote: sever the link and cut the umbilicial cord to the web site.
>this list existed long before the web site and is not dependent on the web
>site for its membership. Of course, I am NOT the list owner nor do I
>pretend speak for him. But I do consider this a fundamental First
>Amendment issue.
Link? I never knew it existed since I rarely visit the TD home page. I'm
too busy with this list since all the TD information I need I can obtain
here. Threats? I say sever the link and let's get on with OUR FAN list...
Vic
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Subject: Legal Hickups
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Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner)
This is a comment to all the mails about the 'legal' messages Morgan
(and the JMJ fans) received.
Morgan: great respect to you that you realized your overreaction !
the flamers: guys, you're driven into being a (verbal) lynch mob
faster that anybody I've ever seen or heard of. And this
from Germany !
Stefan Stapelberg: thanks for your warning 'in time', and I apolgize
for all my overreacting co-listmembers, who would
neither read your message carefully nor use their
common sense. Du weisst schon... Amis halt... ;-)
To all: Please, face it: copyright laws do exist. And besides the single
------- exception of the Grateful Dead, no band on this planet has
excluded a good (the live) part of their work from it. And from then
on the bands have _nothing_ to do with prosecution - national and
international organizations will start those _by_themselves_ , as
law dictates them.
Don't flame the band, especially not in our case where low-profile
bootlegging is tolerated silently. German laws require the police
to take action in copyright cases whenever they get wind of them,
not only if someone files a specific lawsuite.
You may have recognized that so far none of the lurkers on this list
with direct connections to TD has done us any harm. And there are
quite a few. So let's be happy with the fact that we even have
lurkers who'll warn us before we risk any _real_ trouble.
-klaus-
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> By the way, just to freak everyone out...
>
> The US Senate is attempting to pass a bill (promoted by the copyright
> people/thought police) that would criminalize possession of equipment which
> has the sole purpose of making copies. This would include VCRs and
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> CD-Recorders.
Really? So you'd need a license to buy and/or MANUFACTURE even a
photocopier?
Xerox would not like that...
> Morgan
> feldon@p...
>
Gabe
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Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
There has been a lot of traffic over the issue of having TD samples
over some web sites. Some reactions were slightly extreme, but I am
happy to note that most were level-headed. If I may add my 2 cents,
here is what I would suggest:
make the (short) sample part of a review.
The copyright laws allow for some dispensations when re-publishing
meterial, and one of those is to support reviews and commentaries.
Obviously, if someone writes in a literary review magazine, it makes
sense that some passages from the book being reviewed could be quoted
verbatim in the critic's article. Same thing for a musical review
(e.g.: 'Now, listen to this part. You'll notice how the melodic line
compares with the previous work of so and so, etc...')
Of course, the idea is not to try to outsmart the law, so the samples
MUST be kept short. The idea there is that the commentary will support
the audio sample, and will have a didactic/critical review aspect.
As far as the bootleg issue is concerned -- it has been said many times
before -- only those people who have ALL (or nearly all) the legit CD
will bother with bootlegs. If someone wants to eliminate this trade,
then my recommendation is that TDI starts a company called TDBoot Inc.
That way, all the recordings will be available, TD will get to make some
extra cash that will support their next tour or equipment purchase,
and the fans will get to head soundboard quality music, without the
'Is this seat taken?' commentaries.
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Greetings all!
>Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner)
>
>Morgan: great respect to you that you realized your overreaction !
Yup, that takes grace.
>the flamers: guys, you're driven into being a (verbal) lynch mob
> faster that anybody I've ever seen or heard of. And this
> from Germany !
:D ROTFLMAO!!!!
>Stefan Stapelberg: thanks for your warning 'in time', and I apolgize
> for all my overreacting co-listmembers, who would
> neither read your message carefully nor use their
> common sense. Du weisst schon... Amis halt... ;-)
Please accept mine, too! Now where's that darn asbestos suit...
>To all: Please, face it: copyright laws do exist. And besides the single
>------- exception of the Grateful Dead, no band on this planet has
>excluded a good (the live) part of their work from it. And from then
>on the bands have _nothing_ to do with prosecution - national and
>international organizations will start those _by_themselves_ , as
>law dictates them.
>
>Don't flame the band, especially not in our case where low-profile
>bootlegging is tolerated silently. German laws require the police
>to take action in copyright cases whenever they get wind of them,
>not only if someone files a specific lawsuite.
>
>You may have recognized that so far none of the lurkers on this list
>with direct connections to TD has done us any harm. And there are
>quite a few. So let's be happy with the fact that we even have
>lurkers who'll warn us before we risk any _real_ trouble.
>
>-klaus-
This is _EXACTLY_ what I was in the middle of writing! Thanks, Klaus, for
saving me the wear and tear on my tendons! ; ) And BTW, _discussion_ of
boots on the list is _not_ going to get anyone into trouble. On the other
hand, posting info regarding mass reproduction and/or availabilty will! ; )
That's why in all the fanzines (even in your precious BtH), they have to
include the disclaimer regarding bootlegs (ie: information purposes only,
_not_ where/how to obtain!)
goozer (ah...here it is!)
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Really-From: Grant Middleton
My 2c :-
It has been stated almost as fact that fans who collect
boots (the illegal ones) have most, if not all, of TD's
legit output. In my case, this is not so. I have every
legit album from 74 through to 82 in one form of
another. I have little or no interest in anything after
1982, so I was delighted when Coefficient of Aural
Expansion came out.
The bootleggers made no money out of me, though - I
just made a tape of it !
FWIW, I think that Oasis were right to stamp hard on
anyone distributing 'Be Here Now' pre-release. It was
available in near-as-dammit CD-quality MPEG form. The
next logical step is to burn some CD-R's and sell them
to fans so they can be the first kid on the block to
hear the album. I DON'T think Oasis or their record
label lost anything, as the people who bought the
bootleg version would almost certainly buy the
official release, but they should be applauded
for any action taken against professional bootleggers.
Buying bootlegs lines the pockets of the bootleggers
(or worse). Buying legitimate releases lines the
pockets of the bands you want to support. Exchanging
fantapes hurts no-one. Finally, I think Morgan's
sample hurt no-one either, but it's still no
excuse for the dog's abuse handed out to Stephan.
Grant
PS The Constitution refers to the USA, not the
Internet.
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Date: Thu Oct 9, 1997 9:56
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Subject: Logotypes
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Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
>Really-From: feldon@p...
>
>I guess I should cancel my plans to make exactly
>25 copies of Logotypes on CD-R to celebrate the
>25 year anniversary of the Logos concert (I know
>Logotypes was recorded at a different show). I
>was gonna sell them for $4 plus shipping.
>Yes, CDs for $4 each... That's basically my cost.
Wow, that is EXPENSIVE. Since this anniversary
is 10 years away, and at the rate CDR prices have
been dropping, your cost should be no
more than 10 cents per blank CDR in the year 2007...
Guys, please don't ever buy from a man
who wants to make 4000% profit on this!
:-) :-) :-) justkiddingnoIamnotserious
Hilmar
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> > The US Senate is attempting to pass a bill (promoted by the
> copyright
> > people/thought police) that would criminalize possession of
> equipment which
> > has the sole purpose of making copies. This would include VCRs and
>
That sounds suspiciously like an urban legend. I can't see VCR
manufacturers taking that sitting down. Sounds like it came from the
same folks who gave us the modem tax rumor.
Scott
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Hi,
sorry guys, I just have not the time to answer each mail individually,
so here is a (last) statement to all those replies to my message.
First of all, calm down. Some of you who were replying seem to not
have understand what I was talking about. Maybe it's because my
English isn't very well, sorry.
1) I am NOT trying to control the discussion on this mailing list about
bootlegs or trading bootlegs. In fact, I was NOT posting my PRIVATE
message to Morgan on this list (so much for the respect of privacy,
which is beside free speech also a part of the constitution, at
least here in Germany).
2) To answer Craig's questions: yes, TDI is taking legal actions against
online shops which offer bootlegs via the web. No, they get no friendly
warning before. And no, fans who offer photos on their web sites are
not subject of such legal actions. Unofficial web sites from fans have
and will always be supported by TDI, for example by giving permission
to put sound samples onto their sites if they asked for beforehand.
3) As for support of you, the fans, I have for example hosted the Lyrics
on TD's web site because Dave Datta got a letter from the University
lawyers who were forcing him to remove the page from their systems.
However, I can't (and won't) do that with bootlegs.
4) It's not intented to threat or even sue people because they TALK
about bootlegs. TDI can not even take any actions against people
who give away bootlegs in exchange for other bootlegs or some other
goods as long as people don't try to gain monetary profit by doing
so and as long as they don't distribute them in a manner visible
to a broader public like on a web site. However, TDI will never
support any exchange of any bootlegs either. Please read between
the lines here.
5) The reason why the first part of the Frankfurt concert hasn't been
published on Tournado is the fact that the publishing rights for
parts of it are at the various labels, not at TDI. As for some of
you 'giving shit on the re-broadcast', thank you. It saves me lot
of time and money to not have to prepare this broadcast if people
isn't interested in it at all. To think that bootlegs therefore
are your only change to hear this is your very own right, although
I can't understand this regarded the fact that we try to offer you
a legal change to hear it. To publish the URLs for downloading such
bootlegs would be an infringement of copyrights, although in this
case not TDI's copyright, but of that of the respective owners.
(I am not associated with any record company, so if you later get
into troubles, don't blame me or TDI for it. Just think a minute
about what you plan to do and how you will do it.)
6) To answer Lars' question: Maybe people getting in contact via the
guestbook of TD's web site are exchanging bootlegs. As long as
they don't offer URLs to those bootlegs in the guestbook, we don't
care. If they would offer URLs in the guestbook we would delete
their message rather than shut down the web site. If fan's web sites
listed in the resources section would offer bootlegs or URLs to
bootlegs, we would have to remove their link from our page. If
the mailing list is used to exchange those URLs we would have to
remove the link to the list from our page. This is no threat but
just our free decision to avoid getting into further troubles.
We already have enough trouble with other copyright infringements
regarding our site such as theft of our software.
7) Please don't advice me about free speech, this is your right and I
don't doubt this. It's your private pleasure to privately exchange
bootlegs. TDI will (and can't) do anything against this. But please
differenciate between talking about or exchanging those samples and
making them available to the public without access restrictions.
If you would put a password on the web page, it would be no public
forum anymore.
Sorry for the waste of bandwidth. As for me, enough said now.
If you can't or won't understand what I try to tell you here,
it's not my problem. If you want to ask Edgar himself what he's
thinking about bootlegs and publishing them on the web, just mail
him via the feedback form at the bottom of the Q&A page at
www.netstore.de/tadream/qna.html.
Best regards,
Stefan
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Grant writes:
>PS The Constitution refers to the USA, not the
> Internet.
-- Grant, think about it. Jurisdictionally this falls completely within
the US. Tadream@c... and its list server are located in the US.
*If* Edgar wished to take action against the list-owner or server (eg: to
shut down or control the content of this list) he would have to attempt to
do so in a US court. The First Amendment of the Bill of Rights extends to
the internet--at the very least--when its pertinent components and members
are within the US. Certainly this list meets the legal definition of a
'publication' and thus the speech contained herein is protected. Therefore
any domestic or non-domestic attempt or threat to restrict freedom of
speech here (FYI the *ONE* point of stefan's posts that I found
distasteful) impinges on expressions protected under the Bill of Rights of
the US constitution. Simply put, the First Amendment protects my freedom
of expression on this list, just as it does yours.
You may not care one way or another about the issue but I and many others
do. I regard Freedom of Speech as THE fundamental component of a healthy
society; when government and/or business is/are allowed to restrict Free
Speech it sets a very dangerous precedent from which further erosion of our
rights is only inevitable. I regard Stefan's threat to remove the link to
the TDI web page because of the *content of expression* on this list as
intolerable.
As I see it, the essence of this discussion is not about the list-website
link (that is immaterial); it's not about whether exchanging bootlegs and
live tapes is legally or morally right or wrong (this is tangential); it's
not about whether bootleggers are making tons of money from Edgar's labors
(a point I seriously doubt); and it's not about copyright infringement
(that is another argument).
What this discussion IS about (IMO) is an attempt to restrict a form of
legitimate expression on this list. You, Stefan & Edgar may find that
particular form of expression distasteful; that is your right. Attempts to
restrict the content of our expressions on this list have appeared in the
past and, I'm sure, will continue to do so in the future. For my part, I
will continue to resist these attempts although I hate to waste the
bandwidth and my time in doing so. But if I don't who will? That's a risk
I'm not willing to take.
Now, back to the music:
Anyone have any bootlegs they wish to EXCHANGE?
lars
oh, yes, morgan, you might try using a dictionary before turning on your
flamethrower:
'Solicit: to make a petition to, too entreat; to approach with a request or
plea; to strongly urge; to entice or lure; to proposition, to seduce; to
obtain by request or pleas.' Translation: 'solicitation' covers buying,
sellling, exchanging [eg trading] AND the act of requesting and receiving.
You solicited tracks/samples; you solicited advice; you may not have
solicited this English lesson, but you've received all three of them.
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In a message dated 97-10-08 10:16:11 EDT, Tom W writes:
<< and i would hate to see it (the internet) become another tool controlled
by
business and money >>
Without business and money, there would be no internet. It has no
way of supporting itself.
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> >What evidence is there that tape trading (etc) without profit
>is legal?
> Actually, no one's sure. I just talked to a colleague who is a
>copyright lawyer, and he says that the US courts have been silent on
>this issue. He thinks, though, that since it's a live performance, it is
>NOT EXACTLY what's on the album, which is copyrighted. Also, concerts
>are semi-public performances, to which you (if you're the taper) are a
>witness, therefore you have the right to tape it, as long as your intent
>is not to infringe on the owner's copyright. (I.e. not sell it or use it
>as a reason not to buy legit releases). Also, unless the band could
>prove actual damages resulted from said taping, they may have no legal
>recourse. I.e., unless TD could show exactly how much money they lost
>from Lars' tape collection, they'd have no luck going after him.
I think that maybe part of the confusion is the difference between
UK/European copyright law and American. As far as I know, in the UK any
performance is automatically copyright. It doesn't need to be on an
album. This explains why some boots (Me-rad, the 83 Schulze thing)
claim to be from the US when they are plainly not.
UK copyright exists in the composition, the performance and the
recording. I think. I expect German copyright law is similar.
To me this seems a much better way of doing things. Is there a period
between the concert and the release of the live album when there is
copyright? What if the artist records every concert and sells exactly
one copy to their management for $0.01? What if I sell tapes of me
asking if this seat is free, with some annoying noise in the background?
Of course, the international nature of the net confuses things, but the
US is happy to stamp on people in countries that have laxer copyright
laws doing (perfectly legal) copies of US albums or software.
> The US legal tradition differs from many in that the plaintiff
>must prove he lost money, or someone made money from copying his work.
Do you think it would stand up in court if I got everyone who bought my
copies of Rubycon to sign an affadavit that they wouldn't have bought it
at full price, and only bought it because mine were cheap enough to
gamble on? I hope not!
> >If I stood outside Tower giving away pirate copies of Rubycon I
>think
> >I'd be dumped on from a great height. Live music is no less
>copyright
> >than recorded music (although the copyright owner may differ).
> It is, but no one has agreed how it is different.
>
Note the word _owner_
What I meant here is that TD will have signed the relevant rights of
Rubycon (in this example) to Virgin. On a contemporary boot (that has
never been released on album) then (in UK law) TD will still hold the
copyright on that performance (and as it was improvised, the composition
too). But in both cases _someone_ is copyright owner.
Hmmm...Piracy hurts Virgin, Boots hurt TD. When you look at it that
way...
> >I think the whole issue of tolerating fan taping is a difficult
>one. If
> >you allow blatant 'good' ripping-off to to go on with your
>knowledge, it
> >might come back to bite you in court when you try to sue a
>pirate. I
> No, I don't think so. Bootlegging is producing something for
>profit, and is easily recognizable (you make the CD's, print cover art,
>etc.). Phish, for example, pursues bootleggers, but allows fan taping. I
>think the distinction is clear.
I think most people would agree that fan-tapes are OK, and pirates of
released albums are bad. The middle ground occupied by boots is much
hazier. The no-profit constraint is a good one, but even that could
hurt you if people are allowed to give away high quality copies of your
album material (played live). It's obviously easier if you improvise,
because nobody gets at (non-live) album material, and that's one of the
reasons we don't mind. That's probably why it works for Phish and the
Dead too, but not for everybody. Zappa felt that bootleggers were doing
him harm by releasing his albums before he did, as he'd been playing the
pieces live, as part of the development process. Not for profit but
covering costs can cover a lot of ground too, what is a legitimate cost?
The medium? The concert tickets? The copying equipment? The copiers
time?
> >guess Stefan is worried by the link to the list being used as
>'evidence'
> >of TD's awareness of it going on. And it would be hard to draw
>the line
> >(legally) between downloadable Keep extracts and downloadable
>complete
> >albums.
> On the other hand, if I download a sample of the Keep, and like
>it, I'll buy the disc, no? Free advertising!
I must emphasise that I'm suggesting a _possible_ reason why Stefan
chose to make his point now. He may have other motivations, only he can
tell us.
There's a big difference between unofficialy knowing about tape trading
(or giving tapes of albums to your friends for that matter), and
publicly condoning it. You may disgree with the location of the line
between acceptable and unacceptable, but in the end it is up to the band
to decide that, and Stefan is closer to the band than us.
JC
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In a message dated 97-10-08 14:29:39 EDT, you write:
<< Well, this has really got a couple of people worked up, hasn't it? At the
risk
of being called names myself, I'd have to say that some of the comments aimed
at Stefan appear to be deliberately offensive and personal, and I don't think
that's likely to help anyone. Especially since Stefan is doing his 'job', and
appeared to be giving Mrogan the benefit of the doubt in offering advice.
(Digging myself quite a hole, here, amn't I?) >>
as this is most likely directed at me, yes i have gotten worked up about this,
and yes, my comments are deliberately offensive (i guess thats a matter of
interpretation isnt it? i kinda think ive been light on the guy) and
personal...the reason is, i consider this type of behaviour the morally lowest
one can reach...to spy on people and report them, using ones own ill-conceived
rationale, is totally base, imo...as someone who has been in an analogous
situation i can tell u that there is nothing worse than having an invisible
person snitch on you...and what makes this situation worse is that the
informing is not to the authorities, but to a corporate entity that is
attempting by their actions to influence the way we behave and what we
say...screw them i say...if they want to get a court-order thats one thing,
but dont threaten my rights just because u perceive some type of infraction,
which, when u come right down to it, is so miniscule, so petty, so stupid, it
becomes an insult to everyone who has supported you for so long....and the
'doing my job' thing doesnt cut it in my book...morality does not stop when
one gets to work...and if u buy into the immorality of ur job, then at least
have the balls to say so, dont hide behind innane statements like 'im giving
you friendly advice' and all that crap...tell the truth....
b) Keep up the personal abuse and make TDI/Stefan's decision for them/him.
the abuse, imo, was initiated by rent-a-guru and tdi...the problem is they
cant make a decision...do what u have to do, but dont attempt to restrict my
rights until u get legal authority to do so...
tom w
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In a message dated 97-10-08 13:03:50 EDT, you write:
<< I guess I should cancel my plans to make exactly 25 copies of Logotypes on
CD-R to celebrate the 25 year anniversary of the Logos concert (I know
Logotypes was recorded at a different show). I was gonna sell them for $4
plus shipping. Yes, CDs for $4 each... That's basically my cost.
Oh well...Maybe I should ask Stefan... :)
>>
please dont....tom w
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You guys have really gotten worked up! Give Stefan a break...
Free speech in a public forum is a wonderful thing, but lets be
responsible here...
Our list doesn't need to be a battleground, that's what politics is for!
Perhaps our host, Dave Datta has something to add....
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Everybody makes them....try to learn something from the experience...
I know I felt pretty rotten some months back when a small experiment I
tried on the list got some people so irritated that I almost lost my
service!!!
Relax already!
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>>What evidence is there that tape trading (etc) without profit is legal?
>>If I stood outside Tower giving away pirate copies of Rubycon I think
>>I'd be dumped on from a great height. Live music is no less copyright
>>than recorded music (although the copyright owner may differ).
>
>Um, the difference between a pirate (mind if I vomit?) and a bootleg,
>(which contains unreleased music) is an important one.
As a fan, I agree I can see the difference, but if you're looking at it
from the legal/business side, it's all much the same.
I don't think it's that clear anyway. What is the status of Antarktis?
Mystery Tracks? The Keep? Logotypes? They all contain music which is
basically the same as previously release recordings, with more-or-less
different versions. Would releasing Mojave Plan from the 81 tour be
piracy or booting? It's a couple of bars longer. But what about the 82
tour...
If TD were to release 'Live at Rhiems' would Live!Improvised! suddenly
stop being a boot and start being a pirate?
>>I think the whole issue of tolerating fan taping is a difficult one. If
>>you allow blatant 'good' ripping-off to to go on with your knowledge, it
>>might come back to bite you in court when you try to sue a pirate.
>
>Define 'ripping off'... Is it ripping off to allow people to hear music
>that only the people at the concert heard?
Sorry, I didn't mean to use an emotive word. I just meant 'illicitly
copying', no value judgement in there.
>
>>I
>>guess Stefan is worried by the link to the list being used as 'evidence'
>>of TD's awareness of it going on.
>
>TD *is* aware that there is tape-trading. So what? Now they can focus on
>the pirate bastards.
>
And if the pirate bastards are able to stand up in court and claim that
TD have condoned their activity, and so get away with it? I'm only
proposing this as a possible reason, but it seems plausible.
>>And it would be hard to draw the line
>>(legally) between downloadable Keep extracts and downloadable complete
>>albums.
>
>It would be extremely EASY to differentiate between a pirate and a bootleg.
>Who owns the copyright for the music played during the concert?
See my next posting about copyright [reply to Scott]...but I think that
_TD_ own the copyright of music played in a UK concert.
>A pirate is
>a disgusting piece of excrement. A bootleg is the only way some of us are
>going to hear approximately 1/3rd of Tangerine Dream's output.
Um, but you posted extracts from the Keep. So even if concert music was
copyright free, the stuff you had on your site included music from an
existing (albiet withdrawn) album: it's also one that they're about to
re-issue (aren't they?) so they may be sensitive about (possibly
innacurate) previews.
And look, Stefan didn't threaten to sue you/us to death. He pointed out
- accurately - that Edgar has been known to talk with his lawyers, and
if you are going to do stuff like tape trading, keep it quiet.
I thought your site was great, nice picture ( (C) Virgin records ;) ),
nice content, but I also thought it had maybe gone over the line and
wondered how long it would be up for. I wasn't quite expecting it to be
down quite so soon...:(
JC
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At 02:50 PM 10/9/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Really-From: stefan@b... (Stefan Stapelberg)
>
>sorry guys, I just have not the time to answer each mail individually,
>so here is a (last) statement to all those replies to my message.
>
>2) To answer Craig's questions: yes, TDI is taking legal actions against
> online shops which offer bootlegs via the web. No, they get no friendly
> warning before.
Tis a shame, but I get the feeling that there's a sharp dividing line
forming... essentially, tape is ok, but CD is a sign of 'professional
distribution/manufacturing' and is going to be challenged. Relax, Stefan, I
don't have a CD-R.... yet :)
Logotypes -> Why was I thinking 25 years? It's 15 years. Anyway... a
limited re-release woulda been cool and $4 is cheap. The discs are $3 and
the burner is $700.
> Unofficial web sites from fans have
> and will always be supported by TDI, for example by giving permission
> to put sound samples onto their sites if they asked for beforehand.
Before anyone gets any bright ideas... he clearly means samples from
*official* releases and no longer than about 1 1/2 minutes.
>5) The reason why the first part of the Frankfurt concert hasn't been
> published on Tournado is the fact that the publishing rights for
> parts of it are at the various labels, not at TDI. As for some of
> you 'giving shit on the re-broadcast', thank you.
I, for one have been getting tired of the bullshit on this list about 'Why
is TD putting up the crappy 2nd half of the show and selling Tournado which
is the second half?' This is rediculous. Get some class and respect. We all
know the difficulties of begging/pleading/finagling/arguing with lawyers
about this stuff. I'm suprised they succeeded in getting Virgin, etc. to
allow a netcast. Don't hold your breath for a CD.
Um... If you got all of TD's official releases, a fantape from 1986 and a
copy of 'Three Phase' on video, you've got most of this material from Set 1.
> It saves me lot
> of time and money to not have to prepare this broadcast if people
> isn't interested in it at all.
There are people who appreciate TD's legal wrangling to get this netcast to
happen. I listened to the entire 3+ hour netcast of the live show months
ago and it was great.
>7) Please don't advice me about free speech, this is your right and I
> don't doubt this. It's your private pleasure to privately exchange
> bootlegs. TDI will [not] (and can't) do anything against this. But pls
> differenciate between talking about or exchanging those samples and
> making them available to the public without access restrictions.
> If you would put a password on the web page, it would be no public
> forum anymore.
Delicious... but if I posted the password here would that again be making
it public? If not, I'm back in business, er... um, free samples. And Lar's
comment is pissing me off cause it's pointless. I'm gonna put 'Support TD,
buy their official releases, these are just samples of their unreleased
music' If you tell me that it's illegal to say that, I'm going to eat my hat.
Morgan
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>personal...the reason is, i consider this type of behaviour the
morally lowest
>one can reach...to spy on people and report them, using ones
own ill-conceived
You think that's bad, check out http://www.grayzone.com . These
guys do it for a living.
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>Really-From: feldon@p...
>
>I, for one have been getting tired of the bullshit on this list about 'Why
>is TD putting up the crappy 2nd half of the show and selling Tournado which
>is the second half?' This is rediculous. Get some class and respect. We all
>know the difficulties of begging/pleading/finagling/arguing with lawyers
>about this stuff. I'm suprised they succeeded in getting Virgin, etc. to
>allow a netcast. Don't hold your breath for a CD.
>
>Um... If you got all of TD's official releases, a fantape from 1986 and a
>copy of 'Three Phase' on video, you've got most of this material from Set
1.
Or get A'dam Eve. (I *don't* have it btw).
Marcel
Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm
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> You may not care one way or another about the issue but I and many others
> do. I regard Freedom of Speech as THE fundamental component of a healthy
> society; when government and/or business is/are allowed to restrict Free
> Speech it sets a very dangerous precedent from which further erosion of our
> rights is only inevitable.
Putting high quality recordings of music on a website and encouraging
people to come and get it is not about free speech; don't use that as a
shield. You can't expect to tell an airport customs officer that you're
carrying a bomb and then claim 'free speech!' Knowing your partner is
having an affair is one thing, finding them in bed with that partner is
another. Of course Stefan was going to do say something.
On the subject of 'healthy societies', governments and businesses
everywhere squelch free speech every day. They fire or demote people who
speak the truth, encouraging people to toe the party line. They sue those
who oppose them, silencing people who couldn't shoulder the legal costs.
They dispense propaganda, paying for opinion polls which attempt to create
the appearance of a social consensus. The internet may allow people to
talk freely, but having the license to complain is not the same thing as
changing the system or holding power. Elites have the cash, and they will
use it to guard their interests. Do not be surprised.
This discussion is not about whether people can have bootlegs. That will
continue. Besides, list members here have discussed boots for some time.
People have posted reviews, offered swaps, etc. And that will continue
too. So relax! Just keep invitations to download music in private
communications.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
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in possession of the facts'
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In a message dated 97-10-08 18:03:52 EDT, you write:
<< Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner)
This is a comment to all the mails about the 'legal' messages Morgan
(and the JMJ fans) received.
maybe u should have read more carefully also as it referenced everyone on
this list....
the flamers: guys, you're driven into being a (verbal) lynch mob
faster that anybody I've ever seen or heard of. And this
from Germany !
thats probably because some of us have a deeper commitment to free speech and
democracy...
Stefan Stapelberg: thanks for your warning 'in time', and I apolgize
for all my overreacting co-listmembers, who would
neither read your message carefully nor use their
common sense. Du weisst schon... Amis halt... ;-)
please, dont apologize for me...und, vielleicht mochten die anderen leute auf
die liste wissen was du meinst mit 'amis halt'...(for those who dont speak
german, im asking this individual to explain his easy to misconstrue german
comment above)
flame away, tom w
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tadream mailing list wrote:
> > If you would put a password on the web page, it would be no public
> > forum anymore.
>
>Delicious... but if I posted the password here would that again be making
>it public? If not, I'm back in business, er... um, free samples. [...]
>Morgan
You can possibly send that password by _private_ email, to the list
members who request it also by _private_ email ;-)
Antonio
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Hi Fellow Dreamers -
Sorry for the non-TD message...
Anyone that e-mailed me today, please re-send their message to me. I lost
all my messages that were e-mailed to me before 1900 GMT (2PM EST) 97-10-09.
Also, can someone send me the digest(s) for today. I would greatly
appreciate someone's kind help.
Thanks,
Vic
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morgan writes:
[...]
> And Lar's comment is pissing me off cause it's pointless.
err, exactly which pointless comment was that morgan? the defense of
stefan comment? the defense of Free Speech comment? the definition of
solicitation comment? and which way was the wind blowing--was it when you
agreed with me or after you changed your mind? and, since you seem to be
so keen to attack me for merely pointing out the obvious about your actions
(remember, I never attacked you), why don't we at least take this to
private mail and save the list's bandwidth?
lars
BTW thanks Stefan for clarifying your remarks. Your netcasting efforts and
work on the web page have always been appreciated.
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In a message dated 97-10-09 08:53:53 EDT, you write:
<< Really-From: stefan@b... (Stefan Stapelberg)
>>
As for me, enough said now.
ditto...thank you for the clarification.....
tom w
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Really-From: Alistair Hull
My thanks go out to Craig Cordey for his unbiased view of this whole
affair. I guess I'm one of these 'lurkers' who reads all for information
gathering and rarely feel I have to chip in my 2 penn'orth,
But
I really do feel that Stefan is doing a fine 'job'. It's not his job.
He's a fan like the rest of us. We're all in this list for the same
reason - namely to further our knowledge-base with regards to the music
of Tangerine Dream. Many of us have had this interest for OVER 20 YEARS,
and will probably still be fans when TD release their LAST ECER recording
- which - let's face it will happen one day. Internet 'censorship' is a
sensitive subject, and citizens of the free world don't like their
freedom of speech curtailed.
People DO trade bootlegs. Many of the unofficial releases and fan tapes
that are swopped about by fans take them further and further into
appreciation of this wonderful group we all want to hear more from. Yes,
bootlegs as unofficial recordings are copyright infingements, but the
music industry as a whole has for a large part i) turned a blind eye
whilst ii) NOT discouraged hardware research into such things as Minidisk
Recorders and CD-R. - They KNOW what people will use these things
for.....
I personally own almost ALL of TD's released works, and when 'The Keep'
and other soundtracks, along with Dream Mixes II hit the street I'll be
one of the first to go out there and get them. We dedicated fans DO OWN
almost all of the works of Herrn. Froese et al. We helped make him the
money to go on making more money and we do it without a second thought.
We need to try and keep to some kind of acceptable middle ground here.
No-one is going to individually sue everyone of us who has a 'bootleg' in
their possession. No-one is ever likely to stop dedicated fans from
exchanging tapes of concerts, or other 'unreleased material'.
Stefan was merely asking us not to extend our so-called 'piracy' into our
own personal web-pages. He is not trying to 'cut us off'. He is one of
us. And we're all here for the same reason - Edgar and TD. I like many of
you believe that the dissemination via our web pages would be 'so easy'
buth then it becomes a much more 'public effort than any private or
personal cassette or CD trade could ever be.
Let's not allow OUR LIST and our fan following get caught up in the JMJ
kind of furore which only serves to make the Lawyers of this world
richer - and if anyone here thinks that's the way it should be then go
ahead. Spoil our enjoyment too.
I know this is 'major bandwidth' here, but I've stayed on the sidelines
too long, and I for one appreciate every voluntary minute of Stefan
Stapelbergs spare time spent doing something he enjoys for OUR benefit.
How many of you have enjoyed the discography, the dissemination of when
releases are going to come, the connection to the Uk Voiceprint site, the
WebCasts - Just read the webcast guestbook to see. Stefan IS on our side,
but as a volunteer closely associated with TD as he is, we'd have to try
and mediate in the same way as he does if we were in his position. Turn
it around, put yourself in his position and think again about what he's
said. It was never a threat. It was sound 'friendly' advice of the sort
you'd probably give out yourself if you were him. So let's just all shut
the f*ck up and get on with what we're here for.
Regards
Alistair
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In a message dated 97-10-09 09:02:00 EDT, you write:
<< << and i would hate to see it (the internet) become another tool controlled
by
business and money >>
Without business and money, there would be no internet. It has no
way of supporting itself. >>
i used the word control, not supported...big difference in my book....
tom w
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>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>>personal...the reason is, i consider this type of behaviour the morally
lowest
>>one can reach...to spy on people and report them, using ones own
ill-conceived
>You think that's bad, check out http://www.grayzone.com . These
>guys do it for a living.
I just read their page. The Free-Thought Police strike again.
Freedom? Not in the US.
Morgan
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At 12:00 PM 10/9/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
>> You may not care one way or another about the issue but I and many others
>> do. I regard Freedom of Speech as THE fundamental component of a healthy
>> society; when government and/or business is/are allowed to restrict Free
>> Speech it sets a very dangerous precedent from which further erosion of our
>> rights is only inevitable.
>
>Putting high quality recordings of music on a website and encouraging
>people to come and get it is not about free speech; don't use that as a
>shield.
Obviously, you've decided to limit yourself to only the officially recorded
TD music; pity. You're limiting yourself to roughly one half of their output.
>You can't expect to tell an airport customs officer that you're
>carrying a bomb and then claim 'free speech!' Knowing your partner is
>having an affair is one thing, finding them in bed with that partner is
>another.
This has to be the least relevant comparison I've ever heard in my entire
short life.
>On the subject of 'healthy societies', governments and businesses
>everywhere squelch free speech every day. They fire or demote people who
>speak the truth, encouraging people to toe the party line. They sue those
>who oppose them, silencing people who couldn't shoulder the legal costs.
We know, so why your statement?
>They dispense propaganda, paying for opinion polls which attempt to create
>the appearance of a social consensus. The internet may allow people to
>talk freely, but having the license to complain is not the same thing as
>changing the system or holding power. Elites have the cash, and they will
>use it to guard their interests. Do not be surprised.
>
>This discussion is not about whether people can have bootlegs. That will
>continue. Besides, list members here have discussed boots for some time.
>People have posted reviews, offered swaps, etc. And that will continue
>too. So relax! Just keep invitations to download music in private
>communications.
Anyway, I'm just one person on the list, nothing more, nothing less. If
I've victimized TD, then tell me and I'll leave.
Morgan
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>Really-From: Sean Montgomery
[... previously Lars wrote:]
>> You may not care one way or another about the issue but I and many
others
>> do. I regard Freedom of Speech as THE fundamental component of a
healthy
>> society; when government and/or business is/are allowed to restrict Free
>> Speech it sets a very dangerous precedent from which further erosion of
our
>> rights is only inevitable.
>Putting high quality recordings of music on a website and encouraging
>people to come and get it is not about free speech; don't use that as a
>shield.
-- Sean, please re-read my messages! When you do, you will see that I have
never defended this practice nor tried to sheild it with the First
Amendment. In fact, my first post on this topic said almost exactly the
opposite. My defense of Free Speech has been solely concerned with the--as
I said intentional OR unintentional--threat made to the list membership
because of the 'content of expressions' on this list (e.g. the 'exhange' of
bootlegs). Since I have tried to make my position more than abundantly
clear in each subsequent post, I can only conclude that you just didn't
bother to read them closely enough to see that. Or perhaps you missed the
fact that after first defending Stefan on the downloading point, I took him
to task on a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ISSUE.
If you want to accuse me of something, go ahead, but please try to get the
facts straight.
I'll leave the defense of downloading to Tom and I'm replying to the rest
of your post via private mail since it doesn't (IMO) concern the list
directlly ;-)
lars
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Just to remind everyone who may have a hazy memory :)
My first 'really pissed off' letter was directed towards 'the snitch'.
Since it has turned out that there was no snitch and in fact it's the TD
Webmaster who read my notices, it's a different story. Mouth shut, big
smile, support the official TD webpage cause it's closest thing to the
'voice of Edgar' to me...
Morgan
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In a message dated 97-10-09 11:34:25 EDT, you write:
<< You think that's bad, check out http://www.grayzone.com . These
guys do it for a living.
Scott
>>
lol...u really want to drive me over the edge, huh?
tom w
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> Obviously, you've decided to limit yourself to only the officially recorded
> TD music; pity. You're limiting yourself to roughly one half of their output.
There are in fact quite a few recordings that I would love to lay my hands
on. This is a question I have longed to ask: how does one break into the
boot trading market without having anything to trade?
> This has to be the least relevant comparison I've ever heard in my entire
> short life.
Okay, okay. I was reaching! But I hope you at least see a semblance of a
point. You can't turn a blind eye to what's right under your nose.
I've allowed myself to get way off topic anyway. All the same, isn't it
great how this topic has stirred things up on the mailing list? :-)
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On Oct 9, 3:12pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Re: Das Boot
> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
>
> There are in fact quite a few recordings that I would love to lay my hands
> on. This is a question I have longed to ask: how does one break into the
> boot trading market without having anything to trade?
>
(...)
Actually, there are a few shops that do carry a limited selection of
boots. I found some at Rock en Stock here in Montreal. I'm sure some
shops in Toronto will have them too. Of course, the supply is highly
unpredictable (i.e.: if you see it, grab it for they may not get another
copy later) and they are quite expensive.
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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Is it time for a group hug yet?
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Really-From: Vic Rek
First of all, I lost most of today's messages about our emotional copyright
discussion, but maybe all the better by now.
Today is another day, and I'm moving on to discussing TD...
I am probably one of the few on this list that owns 'The Brick' 5 CD set. I
mailed for the free poster offer on the sleeve and I received today my
poster from Unapix/Miramar (not just Miramar anymore). I ordered the black
and white poster from the 1992 Rockoon tour - very nice! Somebody else once
described this poster here, but again it's a group picture shot is some old
run down building. I think I'll frame it!
Vic
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Really-From: Vic Rek
I just received my 'Dream Collector' issue today. As always, this is a very
nice publication and a must for any TD fan. The die hard and novice fan
will always find something here of interest.
I found two items in this issue that interest me. They are:
1. Phaedream
2. Lily on the Beach - from Italian Musica New Age Magazine.
If anyone has these items to offer or a source for these items, please
contact me privately.
Also, does anybody receive a subscription to this Italian New Age magazine?
I have tried to contact them, but I have never received a reply.
Thanks,
Vic
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>Is it time for a group hug yet?
That's what the Klem's for. See some of you there.
JC
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If you're going diving in Mexico, you should check
out these guys first, I'd say ! :-)
http://www.cozumel.net/bb/dreams/
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In a message dated 97-10-09 15:04:33 EDT, you write:
<< << << and i would hate to see it (the internet) become another tool
controlled
by
business and money >>
Without business and money, there would be no internet. It has
no
way of supporting itself. >>
i used the word control, not supported...big difference in my book....
tom w >>
True, you did, and my glib respose was a fragment of a thought
which mostly remained unsaid. Actually I was thinking that The Internet was
created by Business and Money to make more Business and more Money. Money is
Power. Power corrupts. Corruption eventually destroys all good ideas. Like
Atomic Power for example. Greed always proves to cause a debasement of all
worthwhile endeavors. It will be, therefore, inevitable that the worthwhile
elements of the internet will gradually become lost and unrecoverable as the
virus of profiteering and greed permeate the entire network. I predict that
in twenty years the internet freedom we have today will be totally, utterly,
and completely _gone_.
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Vic Rek was heard to say:
>I just received my 'Dream Collector' issue today. As always, this is a very
>nice publication and a must for any TD fan. The die hard and novice fan
>will always find something here of interest.
Vic, this list is for the discussion of the copyright of TD
unreleased live material. Please take your 'Dream Collector'
topic elsewhere. :)
Vic Rek , realizing the error of his ways, then typed:
>I lost most of today's messages about our emotional copyright
>discussion, but maybe all the better by now.
Not to worry, Vic! I'll forward all the postings on this thread
to you privately! :)
Sean Montgomery stopped grasping for shocking
adultery metaphors long enough to inquire:
>This is a question I have longed to ask: how does one break into the
>boot trading market without having anything to trade?
Two methods:
(1) Buy one bootleg. Then make some dubs, and start dealing.
(2) Find a nice list member. That shouldn't be difficult. Nice
list members with a little time to spare will make some cassette
dubs for you if you just send them some blank tapes and return
postage. Be sure to remember those helpful list MWoods when
you get a copy of something that your benefactor doesn't have,
like, say, _Coefficient of Aural Expansion_. ;)
MWood
(that's mwood@a...)
NP: _Patrolling Space Borders_ (which is almost over, at which time
I will put on _3 Tier Dream_. After that, _Antarktis_. Oh yeah,
before all that, I was listening to _Live! Improvised!_.)
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>Actually, there are a few shops that do carry a limited
selection of
>boots. I found some at ******** here in Montreal. I'm sure
some
I guess you didn't check out that link. GrayZone is a company
that snoops out boot traders & sellers for companies. They watch chat
rooms, mailing lists, web sites. They are probably not as omnipresent as
they purport, but still, keep the names of boot shops in private e-mail.
Scott
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>If you're going diving in Mexico, you should check
>out these guys first, I'd say ! :-)
> http://www.cozumel.net/bb/dreams/
Do you suppose they'd let Ed & Monika stay free?
Scott
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On Oct 10, 9:17am, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: RE: Das Boot
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
> >Actually, there are a few shops that do carry a limited
> selection of
> >boots. I found some at ******** here in Montreal. I'm sure
> some
>
> I guess you didn't check out that link. GrayZone is a company
> that snoops out boot traders & sellers for companies. They watch chat
> rooms, mailing lists, web sites. They are probably not as omnipresent as
> they purport, but still, keep the names of boot shops in private e-mail.
>
> Scott
>
>-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list
Well, the name of the shop was passed on to me and was frequently openly
quoted before in this very forum, along with several other avenues the
name of which does not come to my mind now. And as far as 'links' may be
concerned, I cannot check ANYTHING at all. The only thing that gets through
here is e-mails, I cannot go on the web.
Furtehr (and just to get anyone a bit more paranoiac) what if this GreyZone
company was to have agents join in a chat group like ours and, innocently,
asks that very question? Any answer, be it private or public, could be
used by them, right?
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
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>Well, the name of the shop was passed on to me and was
frequently openly
>quoted before in this very forum, along with several other
avenues the
>name of which does not come to my mind now. And as far as
'links' may be
>concerned, I cannot check ANYTHING at all. The only thing that
gets through
>here is e-mails, I cannot go on the web.
Sorry. Even still, I don't think it's a good idea to broadcast
their name all over the world. It's a good way to get the shut down. A
popular store in Cambridge, Mass. was recently releived of all their
boot stock.
>Furtehr (and just to get anyone a bit more paranoiac) what if
this GreyZone
>company was to have agents join in a chat group like ours and,
innocently,
>asks that very question? Any answer, be it private or public,
could be
>used by them, right?
They may indeed. Another reason to keep it dark.
Scott
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Subject: A pleasant surprise
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I was flipping through the Highsmith library suuplies catalog just now,
looking for some video tape cases, and what video was used in the
photos? Canyon Dreams!
Scott E. Plumer
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>Really-From: Grant Middleton
>
>
>If you're going diving in Mexico, you should check
>out these guys first, I'd say ! :-)
>
> http://www.cozumel.net/bb/dreams/
>
>Grant
Now that really is something the TDI lawyers should get stuck into!
BTW, a sudden thought struck me - if all you guys with web-pages that are
reliant on hits for your space called your page 'Oasis Page' or 'Spice Girls
Page' then you'd get thousands of hits every day. Okay, some Oasis or Spice
Girls fans might bet upset, but who cares? (Unless they're big and live close
to you, of course!)
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Subject: SMD HomePage Up and Running
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Some time ago there was some interest in the SMD homepage. At that time, it
wasn't fit for access (to put it politely).
I just visited there just now, and it seems to be okay. For those who've lost
the addres, I got there via
http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uk/
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> >If you're going diving in Mexico, you should check
> >out these guys first, I'd say ! :-)
> >
> > http://www.cozumel.net/bb/dreams/
I'll bet they'd be too hot for my chinchilla....
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
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in possession of the facts'
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In a message dated 97-10-10 08:59:24 EDT, you write:
<< It will be, therefore, inevitable that the worthwhile
elements of the internet will gradually become lost and unrecoverable as the
virus of profiteering and greed permeate the entire network. I predict that
in twenty years the internet freedom we have today will be totally, utterly,
and completely _gone_. >>
which is exactly why i got completely bent outta shape when i saw a corporate
entity attempt to interfere with the discussion on this, or any other,
list...is ur vision a foregone conclusion? maybe, but i hope not....i for one
will continue to (naively maybe) battle the 'virus of profiteering and greed'
whichever way i can...
tom w
np: serenity dub 1.1 a.m. (incoming! compilation)
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Subject: Vintage Synth Book
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Here is the poop on the Vintage Synthesizer book by Mark Vail.
Go to this URL--you can order it there--price is $19.95 US.
http://www.mfi.com/mf-books/vintsynth.html
There ya go!
Mike
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On Oct 10, 11:16am, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: RE: Das Boot
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
> Sorry. Even still, I don't think it's a good idea to broadcast
> their name all over the world. It's a good way to get the shut down. A
> popular store in Cambridge, Mass. was recently releived of all their
> boot stock.
That was in the States... That shop is in Canada. US police has no
juridiction here...
>
> >Furtehr (and just to get anyone a bit more paranoiac) what if
> this GreyZone
> >company was to have agents join in a chat group like ours and,
> innocently,
> >asks that very question? Any answer, be it private or public,
> could be
> >used by them, right?
> They may indeed. Another reason to keep it dark.
Sure. But this way NO ONE will know about them. Fact is, no one will even
DARE ask about them. There is a balance required somewhere...
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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At 04:52 PM 10/10/97 +0000, you wrote:
>BTW, a sudden thought struck me - if all you guys with web-pages that are
>reliant on hits for your space called your page 'Oasis Page' or 'Spice Girls
>Page' then you'd get thousands of hits every day. Okay, some Oasis or Spice
>Girls fans might bet upset, but who cares? (Unless they're big and live close
>to you, of course!)
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>Craig R. J. Cordrey
Craig,
I think this is already the case. i read an article how some folks 'key'
words into their pages so they show up at the top of a search return.
F'instance, I was looking for Keyboard Magazine. So I typed in
'www.keyboard.com' and got a BOXING site! I didn't stick around to find
what vaporous link KB had to boxing, but you see the point. BTW KB mag
is--DOH!---www.keyboardmag.com--my second try.
Mike
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In a message dated 97-10-09 17:13:12 EDT, you write:
<< Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Is it time for a group hug yet?
>>
I think SO!!! Who was it that was complaining about the lack of mail a few
weeks ago? Man, I'm about two days behind in reading my mail trying to keep
up with it all.:-) But it's been most interesting to say the least. I'm not
going to add my 2 cents to this, since I think it's all been well
covered...except to say that the copywrite laws are still very vague
concerning the internet and this kind of activity worries the artists and
corporations concerned. That's what this is all about really, IMO. They are
testing the waters to try and set some legal precedents. Things like this
will be occuring more frequently as time goes on, I'm sure. As the Sarg from
Hill Street Blues used to say, 'Let's be careful out there, People'!
Cheers (hug, hug)
Graf
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Subject: Beat the boots!
What with all the brouhaha about bootleg recordings, I think Der
Froese Konsortium should take a lead from one of Edgar's old sources
of inspiration, the late, lamented Frank Zappa. When FZ was confronted
with all of these boots of his material, he released 'official' versions of
the boots on his own label, at dirt-cheap prices (I think they were under
US$10 each). Beat the bootleggers at their own game and make the
releases easier to find (TD boots in Atlanta? You must be daft!). Plus the
money is going to the artists, instead of the bootlegger. All the good folks
win and the bootleggers lose out...
(My personal philosophy on boots is as follows: I will buy a bootleg recording
if it is not outrageously priced. In the case of TD, I have over 100 CD's (yes, there
are many duplicates in there) and have bought just about every one of their official
releases. Plus, I have every release up to OR on vinyl. I think that I, and many others,
had contributed greatly to TD's coffers over the years. I think that in all of my collection,
I own one LP boot (the Fassbinder tribute) and four CD boots. Looks like the boot-to-
official-release ratio is about 1:25. Total number of boots in my collection is probably
no more than 10 CD's, max. TD is the most represented, with Pink Floyd next and
then Camel. Sorry, off on a 'Tangent'! ).
obCDPlayer: Raymond Scott / Soothing Sounds For Baby Vol.. 2 (E-music for babies from
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Hi, All,
Since no one's said anything about the Netherlands CD pressing of
GOBLINS' CLUB that might have 'Fort Worth Runway One' on top of having
'Elf June...', I figure I might as well go and mention how this alleged
upcoming DREAM MIXES II would constitute the first time Edgar decided to
explicitly milk the market while also aknowledging the his fan base.
Allow me to clarify.
The fact that there will be (?) a DREAM MIXES II can demonstrate
only so many things. Among them are the following:
o Edgar hasn't gotten his TANGENT-izing mania out of his system, yet,
despite the existence of TANGENTS, THE DREAM MIXES, BEYOND THE STORM,
BOOK OF DREAMS, 'Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal,' 'Das Madchen auf
der Treppe 1997,' 'Order of the Ginger Guild,' and THE KEEP
o Edgar, realizing that DREAM MIXES I has resulted in the band's best
audience and critical reception of anything in the last 10 years,
decided that maybe lightning can strike twice.
o Edgar has decided to cater to the fans, finally. This possibility
is reflected in the fact that TOURNADO, however weak, is at least a
new wrinkle in that it isn't the result of studio re-tooling, and
the fact that Edgar himself might be responsible for the release of
THE KEEP, despite his previous claims about not wanting to release
old material in favor of forging ahead with all-new material in any
and all cases.
Regarding the last item above, think about it for a minute: time
and again, Edgar has always claimed that he never wants to go back to
a previous style, that the TD phases of the past are done and gone, and
yet now he is releasing a 1997 project that picks up where a 1995 album
left off? Come to think of it, OASIS harkens back to CANYON DREAMS.
Am I making more out of this than I should, or is Jerome making the old
man break down and realize that maybe, just maybe, appealing to the
buyer and aknowledging the generation gap between himself and same might
be a good idea?
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
, and BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty.
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Date: Fri Oct 10, 1997 7:22
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Subject: video dream mixes
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
my copy of the video dream mixes (VDM) finally arrived earlier this week.
I'd urge everyone to order a copy from their mail order source. I got mine
from CDNOW.com. quick & easy (thanks michael or sean for posting the url &
note). I tried to order a copy locally but I think most of the big stores
just toss those special orders into file 13 the minute we walk out the
door. I doubt these will appear in many US stores since they are,
apparently an import from the UK...
Sadly I didn't get a chance to watch it right away what with tending to a
sick toddler AND defending the free world (I know, what a super hero ;-)
Finally, last night my son had finished his two train videos and was in
this 'funk' about 'the other choo choo video' well, we don't have another
one and I wanted to watch VDM so I said 'here it is' and popped it in
(what a schmuck!).
Thank God for Edgar! There were trains a plenty in the first track (bride
in cold tears) and he was hooked for the first 30 minutes (then my wife
took control of the TV to watch Friends...) I've never known him to sit
that long for TD :-) and today we finished watching it but he only stayed
long enough for the trains in Rough Embrace? (I lost track). I guess he
would have to give it a 3AS meaning it kept his attention for 3/5's of the
length.
my review:
This was a really interesting video and watching it actually sucked me into
the music much more than I expected. Even more so than listening to DM
alone (I don't hate DM but it's not a top player in my changer either).
In general I though the video was pretty good (much of it seems to have
been shot by the Tangs themselves; I know that Edgar has video of me [and
Marcel too] so maybe we'll appear in VDM2??! ;-) some of the video was a
bit boring and some of the special effects and graphics were a little weak
(the pyramids). It was, nevertheless, quite interesting. on the liner
notes, Edgar (I assume) says 'The musical world of TD is, in principle, a
surrealistic reality.' ... 'the very force of TD's music finds it's
visionary counterpart in all the pictures, animation, anachronoistic and
futuristic images of this video.' That to some degree is true.
Nevertheless I have never been truely satisfied with a TD video and think I
could do better (I'd love to do 'Birdwatcher's Dream' from TOB) -- but that
is speaking only from my personal perspective. I'm sure that whatever I
would do would not be satisfying to many others. I guess it is good,
therefore, that VDM does not dwell too long on any theme... at least not
long enough to make a track 'thematic' -- well, except for that damned
carnival in venice stuff in catwalk... I also could have gone without the
gunfight and wild-western romanticism in rough embrace? (from the german
perspective where I understand it is quite popular; I just never imagined
that EF had succumbed to this as well).
The best tracks (understand that I am speaking of music+video now) were
Touchwood and Change of the Gods
watching this made me think back to the Bush video at the 96 concert. I
really think that much of that video was really outtakes from VDM.
Here's the official track list: (DM1 = dream mixes disc 1 etc)
1. Bride in Cold Tears 5:30 DM1
2. Catwalk 7:50 DM1
3. Jungle Journey 6:20 DM1
4. Touchwood 8:00 DM2
5. Change of the Gods 7:20 DM1
6. Rough Embrace 5:30 DM1
7. Little blonde.... 7:20 DM1
8. San Rocco 7:20 DM1
9. Sojus 6:10 DM2?** (I'm not sure if this a remix or just a shortened
version since it is 3 minutes shorter than the DM2 version)
Also, Firetongues (break freak mix???) is used as the end titles credits
although not listed in the official track list. I haven't had a chance to
time it and compare with that on DM1 but I suspect it is the same.
in a quick summary, I think it is really good but I'd still give it a 3+AS.
I can't yet compare it too 220VL. I urge everyone to buy a copy before
it's too late.
lars
BTW my son now says 'Edgar' (really 'egg-gar') 'Jerome' (the one with the
funny hair ;-) and 'Linda'
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: TURN OF THE TIDES Promo Poster
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Hi,
Anyone know where I can get a copy of the promo poster for TURN OF
THE TIDES? I really love the cover art to this album.
-- Steven Feldman
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: Beat the boots!
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:22:05 -0400
>Really-From: 'Craig Shipley'
>
>[...] I think Der Froese Konsortium should take a lead from one of
>Edgar's old sources of inspiration, the late, lamented Frank Zappa.
Huh?!? I never heard about this. Since when did Edgar say that
Zappa was a source of his inspiration? Was Zappa in the list of bands
given in the liner notes of TURN OF THE TIDES??? (I am not at home so
I can't check inside the jewel case.)
>When FZ was confronted with all of these boots of his material, he
>released 'official' versions of the boots on his own label, at dirt-
>cheap prices (I think they were under US$10 each). Beat the bootleggers
>at their own game and make the releases easier to find [...] Plus, the
>money is going to the artists, instead of the bootlegger. All the good
>folks win and the bootleggers lose out...
This is indeed a good philosophy, and yet, Zappa was always acutely
aware of his following and the fact that his very own work fell into a
variety of genres, each of which was a niche market in of itself. I
would hesitate to say that Edgar has anywhere near the insights into
his fan base as Zappa did.
Still, here's to hoping that Edgar gets wind of Chris Franke's
issuing ltd. pressings of separate TV episodes (of BABYLON 5) without
overcharging and making them available only at live shows half a
continent away. ;)
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Bargain-Priced Artist-Issued Pseudo-Boots
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
> Still, here's to hoping that Edgar gets wind of Chris Franke's
>issuing ltd. pressings of separate TV episodes (of BABYLON 5) without
>overcharging and making them available only at live shows half a
>continent away. ;)
-- speaking of which, I noticed the B5 episode cd art seems to have been
somewhat influenced by the world tour cd 95 (in that the tracks are only
part of the CD and it is clear with silkscreening over the rest allowing
you to see the clear disc....)
re: tangentizing... what's that matter steve, isn't one flame war a week
enough?
lars
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Subject: Re: TURN OF THE TIDES Promo Poster
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
I've got a small one (about 8.5 * 11) lying 'round somewhere...
Gabe
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Subject: TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 6.0
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TANGERINE DREAM POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 6.0, by Steven Feldman (10/10/97):
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| KEY: the first number indicates quality level: 1 for worst, 10 for best |
| --the 2nd number refers to the year; e.g., 70 indicates a 1970 release. |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
4 70 ELECTRONIC MEDITATION (gatefold cover w/ balloon attached in Ohr ed.)
5 71 ALPHA CENTAURI (gatefold cover for Ohr Records ed; no US vinyl until '87)
4 72 ZEIT (2-Record Set) (pic-insert in Ohr Records ed; no US vinyl until '87)
5 73 ATEM (packaged w/ ALPHA CENTAURI in UK in '76; no US vinyl until 1987)
6 GREEN DESERT (remixed & 1st rel. as platter 6 of IN THE BEGINNING in '86)
7 74 PHAEDRA (gatefold cover)
6 74 AQUA (gatefold cover) [Edgar Froese 'solo' programmed by Chris Franke(!)]
10 75 RUBYCON (gatefold cover)
9 76 STRATOSFEAR (title-less gatefold cover with clear title sticker)
7 78 CYCLONE (gatefold cover; inside is a pic of Franke, Froese, and Jolliffe)
9 79 FORCE MAJEURE (clear vinyl with sticker on cover and vanity label)
9 80 TANGRAM (vanity label; pictures of tangrams on inner sleeve)
9 81 EXIT (diff. cover: poster of back cover of US release is inside UK vers.)
8 82 WHITE EAGLE (vanity label; never on vinyl in the US; 1st US CD in 1994)
6 83 HYPERBOREA (vanity label; never on vinyl in the US; 1st US CD rel in '94)
9 85 LE PARC
6 86 UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT
5 87 TYGER (lyrics on inner sleeve; CD adds 2 tracks; 1992 remix adds 1 more)
3 88 OPTICAL RACE (die-cut cover with reversable cardboard vanity sleeve)
6 89 LILY ON THE BEACH (the last US TD release with commercially issued vinyl)
8 90 MELROSE
6 92 ROCKOON
8 94 TURN OF THE TIDES ('96 UK CD on TDI has bonus track 'Story of the Brave')
7 95 TYRANNY OF BEAUTY (UK CDs on Amp, & then TDI, have bonus track 'Quasar')
6 96 GOBLINS' CLUB (Australia CD has 'Fort Worth Runway One' instead of 'Elf')
LIVE ALBUMS
(no covers except for THREE PHASE & 9 mins. of LIVE MILES):
7 75 RICOCHET
7 77 ENCORE (2-Record Set; gatefold cover; first US CD release in 1994)
7 80 QUICHOTTE (Amiga Records, East Berlin only) [later re-issued as...]
7 PERGAMON (re-issue of QUICHOTTE; released world-wide in 1986)
6 82 LOGOS (never on vinyl in the US; first US CD release in 1994)
7 84 POLAND (2-Record Set) (vanity inner sleeves; also available as pic disks)
5 88 LIVE MILES (UK CD has slightly different cover)
6 93 220 VOLT LIVE (the video/LD THREE PHASE shares no tracks: diff. concerts)
6 THREE PHASE (video/LaserDisk; 1/2 the tracks are covers of studio cuts)
4 97 TOURNADO (gold foil on booklet; clear tray; all tracks are covers)
ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK RECORDINGS:
7 77 SORCERER (first US CD release in 1994)
7 80 THIEF (US vers. has 'Confrontation,' other versions have 'Beach Scene')
8 83 WAVELENGTH
5 RISKY BUSINESS (only half is by TD; 1st LP pressing is different & rare)
? 84 THE KEEP (200-to-300 copies Virgin Germany in 1984; mass release in 1998)
6 FLASHPOINT (also available as a pic disk or with movie synopsis insert)
8 FIRESTARTER (LP on MCA in 1984; CD on Varese Sarabande in 1992)
9 THE PARK IS MINE (released for the first time in 1992)
8 85 HEARTBREAKERS (German-only release, until 1995; then on Silva)
3*86 LEGEND (Euro soundtrack & CD by Jerry Goldmsith; US sndtrck & CD* by TD)
7 87 CANYON DREAMS (video differs from CD version, which was released in 1991)
2 THREE O'CLOCK HIGH (only half is by TD)
6 NEAR DARK (US version has photo cover, UK & European have painted cover)
4 SHY PEOPLE (photo montage on US & german covers; boat photo on UK cover)
3 DEADLY CARE (released for the first time in 1992)
7 89 MIRACLE MILE (unavailable on LP in the USA except as a promo)
4 DESTINATION BERLIN (German-only release)
8 DEAD SOLID PERFECT (released for the first time in 1991)
4 CATCH ME IF YOU CAN (released for the first time in 1994)
5 90 L'AFFAIRE WALLRAFF (a/k/a THE MAN INSIDE) (French-only release)
6 92 RUMPELSTILTSKIN (US in long-box w/ poster; Japanese has narration 2nd)
6 94 ZONING (video soundtrack; 1st released in 1996; w/ white tray & booklet)
7 97 OASIS (video sndtrck; clear tray in UK; diff. cover & bonus track in US)
? JIM & PABLO... (10 story CDs, avail. in English & German; music by TD)
COMPILATIONS:
6*80 TANGERINE DREAM '70-'80 (4-Record Set) (booklet; *1 non-LP side plus 1)
- 85 DREAM SEQUENCE (3-Record Set) [Virgin Records] (double-gatefold; booklet)
- 86 IN THE BEGINNING (6-Record Set) (booklet; first pressing of GREEN DESERT)
- 87 THE COLLECTION (2-Record Set) [Castle Communications] (gatefold cover)
- 89 THE BEST OF TANGERINE DREAM (2-Rec Set) [later re-packaged as...] (no gf)
- 91 FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK--TANGERINE DREAM--1973-88 (single-CD rehash of above)
6*92 THE PRIVATE MUSIC OF TANGERINE DREAM (*two previously-unreleased tracks)
- DREAM MUSIC ([Silva Screen] soundtrack compilation: DSP, TPiM, Deadly C.)
- THE STORY OF TANGERINE DREAM (German [Jive] 2-CD compilation, 1969-1988)
7 94 TANGENTS (5-CD Set) (almost entirely remixed, w/ a book & 1 all-new CD)
9 95 THE DREAM MIXES ([Miramar] 6 remixes & 4 all-new tracks; yellow CD tray)
6* BOOK OF DREAMS ([Essential Records] 2 CDs; Virgin *remixes; 12-p booklet)
7* DREAM MUSIC 2 ([Silva Screen] sndtrck comp *w/4 TD tracks by other bands)
- 96 ATMOSPHERICS [similar to the FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK compilation]
9 [UK:] THE DREAM MIXES (UK vers. of 95 rel has diff cover and a 2nd disk)
? THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD Set, with one all-new CD)
- TANGERINE DREAM (all of PHAEDRA, 'Rubycon Pt. 1,' STRATOSFEAR title cut)
- 97 THE BRICK ([Miramar] ROCKOON, 220 V, TURN, TYRANNY, and D MIXES in a box)
PETER BAUMANN (1972-1977) solos:
9 76 ROMANCE '76
6 79 TRANS-HARMONIC NIGHTS (never released in the US)
2 82 REPEAT REPEAT (two-sided, glossy, 12' x 12' lyric sheet)
1 83 STRANGERS IN THE NIGHT
- 96 PHASE BY PHASE ([{UK} Virgin Vault] compilation)
CHRISTOPH(ER) FRANKE (1971-1989) solos:
7 91 PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY
? McBAIN (limited release soundtrack from Chris' Sonic Images label)
3 92 UNIVERSAL SOLDIER (soundtrack composed by but not played by Franke)
5 93 THE LONDON CONCERT (live, w/ 3 covers [Vermillion Sands=Taking the Park])
4 NEW MUSIC FOR FILMS, VOL. 1 (sndtrck comp; mostly previously unreleased)
8 KLEMANIA (ltd ed; 1995 ed has different [better] mix & different booklet)
? 94 RAVEN (TV soundtrack; limited edition CD in 1994; released widely in '96)
4* ENCHANTING NATURE (PCH remixed; *4 new tracks) [from The Nature Company]
8 BABYLON 5 (ltd ed sndtrck; '95 ed adds 3 cuts, diff booklet & tray photo)
? 96 NIGHT OF THE RUNNING MAN (cabl TV sndtrck; w/ Berlin Symphonic Film Orch)
3 THE CELESTINE PROPHESY (based on the book)
? TENCHI MUYO IN LOVE--THE MOVIE (sndtrck to Japanimation movie; digipak)
? PERRY RHODAN: PAX TERRA (inspired by a series of sci-fi novels)
5 97 BABYLON 5, VOLUME 2: MESSAGES FROM EARTH (TV soundtrack)
? TRANSFORMATION OF MIND (narration by Deepak Chopra, music by Franke)
? BABYLON 5: A LATE DELIVERY FROM AVALON (1st TV ep. sndtrck; SI/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: Z'HA'DUM (2nd TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue)
? BABYLON 5: SHADOW DANCING (3rd TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: SEVERED DREAMS (4th TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: WALKABOUT (5th TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue)
EDGAR FROESE (1967-present; founder/leader of TD) solos:
6 74 AQUA (gatefold cover)
10 75 EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE (gatefold cover)
9* ELECTRONIC DREAMS (comp from above 2 LPs; *M. Bay is recorded backwards!)
6 76 MACULA TRANSFER (gatefold cover; not on CD; never released in the US)
5 78 AGES (2-Record Set; gatefold cover; not on CD; never released in the US)
8 79 STUNTMAN (photo-montage cardboard inner sleeve)
7*79 SOLO 1974-1979 (compilation featuring superior *remixes of many cuts)
7 83 KAMIKAZE 1989 (soundtrack; never released in the US)
6 PINNACLES (vanity label; never released in the US)
7 95 BEYOND THE STORM (2-CD Set; 1/2 is remixes of previously-released stuff)
(PAUL) HASLINGER (1986-1990) solos:
[See also LIGHTWAVE and COMA VIRUS (other bands featuring Haslinger),
listings for which follow the Tributes to Tangerine Dream section.]
6 94 FUTURE PRIMITIVE
3 96 WORLD WITHOUT RULES
JOHANNES SCHMOELLING (1980-1986) solos:
8 86 WUIVEND RIET [English: 'Wind-Blown Reeds']
5 88 THE ZOO OF TRANQUILLITY (rel on defunct Polydor sub-label Theta; no US r)
7 90 WHITE OUT (German-only release)
? 94 ZAUBERGEIGER SETTEMBRINI (narr by Martin Burkhardt, music by Schmoelling)
8 95 SONGS NO WORDS (not released in the US)
TRIBUTES TO TANGERINE DREAM
(Tangerine Dream Tribute Albums)
5*95 DREAM MUSIC 2 ([Silva Screen] sndtrck comp; includes *tracks by others)
? 96 TANGERINE AMBIENCE--A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM (Hypnotic [Cleopatra])
4 THE KEEP by the Fantasy Merchants (German; tracks from 6 diff TD sndtrks)
? 97 TANGERINE AMBIENCE II (Hypnotic Records [Cleopatra])
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
LIGHTWAVE
(only Lightwave releases with Haslinger are listed)
6 94 TYCHO BRAHE [pronounced 'TIE-co BRAY,' after an astronomer]
3 95 MUNDUS SUBTERRANEUS
COMA VIRUS
? 96 HIDDEN
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Date: Fri Oct 10, 1997 9:51
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Subject: FRANKELY SPEAKING
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Hello fello tangers,
Yesterday on the MOVIE CHANNEL they showed that gangster flick again and
I got the name of it, It's called' PUBLIC ENEMY No.1'. Christopher Franke did
the very Maurice Jarre like score. Very run of the mill as far as I could tell.
The film was about the Ma barker gang and starred Theresa Russell and the not
so famous other Stallone , Frank.
Also caught the HYPERNAUGHT's on the Disney channel. It seems to be a
failed pilot episode and the following 3 episodes jammed together into one
incoherant mess. It's about a group of young star cadets who get separated from
their main starship on a routine exploration of the system. They encounter the
usual meanies and space critters. While very poorly acted it did have some nice
effects, and the most techno esque score Franke has done in a while! If he
wants to impress any of the old fans, he should by all means release this
instead of the quieter /baby-lon suff. My opinion only of course.=+).
Christopher
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Subject: RE: TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 6.0
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TANGERINE DREAM POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 6.0, by Steven Feldman (10/10/97):
THANKYOU , this truely rocks and will make my spontanious shopping all the
easier, considering I'm not buying XMAS gifts this year
chris
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Subject: Re: Das Boot
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Really-From: Dave Brewer
> Quoted From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
>
> Furtehr (and just to get anyone a bit more paranoiac) what if this GreyZone
> company was to have agents join in a chat group like ours and, innocently,
> asks that very question? Any answer, be it private or public, could be
> used by them, right?
>
I could just see it now... 'I'm not going to tell you where I got my copy
of Spherical Harmonics until you prove to me you're not part of the Boot
Patrol!' We can't trust anyone around here, can we? :-) The computer
screens have ears... Are you really who you say you are, Vincent? ;-)
Dave Brewer (looking over his shoulder...)
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Really-From: AOutland@a...
To Mr. Wood: I thought this list was for the discussion of TD in any
way, shape, or form not just for their 'unreleased live material'. Am I also
in error? Because if so that limits this list to the discussion of bootlegs
apparently and we just had a big flap about that. The last thing I want is to
be cut off from my favorite group because I'm in the wrong forum. I came here
BECAUSE of the link to the TD web site and although I have not contributed
much to the discussions, I have enjoyed 'lurking' through them. Will someone
please give me a concept of what this list is really about? Dell
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>>Really-From: Dave Brewer
>> Quoted From: 'Vincent Goudreault' >
>> Furtehr (and just to get anyone a bit more paranoiac) what if this
GreyZone
>> company was to have agents join in a chat group like ours and,
innocently,
>> asks that very question? Any answer, be it private or public, could be
>> used by them, right?
>>
>I could just see it now... 'I'm not going to tell you where I got my copy
>of Spherical Harmonics until you prove to me you're not part of the Boot
>Patrol!' We can't trust anyone around here, can we? :-) The computer
>screens have ears... Are you really who you say you are, Vincent? ;-)
> Dave Brewer (looking over his shoulder...)
come to think of it daaaavvveeee.... who ARE you? we've met, exchanged
(only legitimate items of course, we practice safe trading ;-),
corresponded, etc. hell, I've even been to your band's web page! but do I
really know you? can you prove you're not some corporate mole? didn't you
say that you were related to Edgar? and aren't you 'studying' computer
science? hmmmmmm
lars
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Relax Dell, I *think* Marshall was just joking Say anything you want on
this list (well, sometimes discretion is called for ;-). Having said that,
and since you're new, I might urge you to buy yourself some flame-proof
underwear because it can get kinda hot in the kitchen. if you can't find
any locally, you can order them on-line:
http://www.justajoke.atyourexpense.com
lars
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Date: Sat Oct 11, 1997 4:34
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Subject: Rockoon Picture disc
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Really-From: Steve Quinney
While I was browsing through HMV in downtown Toronto today, I stumbled
across a picture disc version of Rockoon. Is this hard to find since I
don't recall seeing anything on this list about it. The disc seems to have
all the same tracks as the original disc but I noticed it was produced by
TDI Productions as opposed to Mirimar. I may pick it up when I get a few
bucks. I'm too poor this week. If anyone else has this disc, could you tell
me what the picture on this disc is ?
Steve Quinney
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Really-From: AOutland@a...
Thanks for the reassurance. Since I am not yet familiar with everyone's
style of humor on this site (I'm learning quickly though), I do not know yet
what to take seriously and what to smile at. Maybe I should sit back and just
watch for awhile, but half the fun is participation! So I hope y'all will
bear with me for a bit because I really like being here. Dell
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 12:45 AM 10/11/1997 -0400, Dell wrote:
> Thanks for the reassurance. Since I am not yet familiar
with everyone's
>style of humor on this site (I'm learning quickly though), I do
not know yet
>what to take seriously and what to smile at. Maybe I should sit
back and just
>watch for awhile, but half the fun is participation! So I hope
y'all will
>bear with me for a bit because I really like being here. Dell
>
You can safely assume that nobody is serious about anything on
this list. If anybody tells you something different, they are kidding.
Leaning back and watching the proceedings can be very
entertaining and instructive.
And don't believe anything I say, either.
But quite seriously, I think that, despite major APPARENT flames
wars, nobody stays mad at anybody for long. This list is a major
love feast. Mostly with TD. :-). Most of the players, with some
exceptions of course, are sensationally funny.
Andrew
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>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
>But quite seriously, I think that, despite major APPARENT flames
>wars, nobody stays mad at anybody for long. This list is a major
>love feast. Mostly with TD. :-). Most of the players, with some
>exceptions of course, are sensationally funny.
>
>Andrew
Well, there was that one seriously major bust-up a couple of years back when
two guys stormed off the list in disgust. One of them was called Mirai, but I
can't remember the other one's name (pity, cos I seem to recall he had some
good comments). Mind you, that was because they got into a 'slag the USA/defend
the USA' argument which got a bit out of hand.
Can't believe I sided with the 'defend the USA' guy. Sheesh!
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Thank you, Andrew. I get the feeling this place is like a large family:
squabbles break out from time to time, but the underlying love is still there
and all is easily forgiven. Dell
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Subject: Re: Rockoon Picture disc
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>Really-From: Steve Quinney
>.[...]The disc seems to have
>all the same tracks as the original disc but I noticed it was produced by
>TDI Productions as opposed to Mirimar. I may pick it up when I get a few
>bucks. I'm too poor this week. If anyone else has this disc, could you tell
>me what the picture on this disc is ?
>
On the picture disc is the cover of the album without the picture in the
upper right corner of Edgar & Jerome. It's also available from Voiceprint.
It says limited edition, but I don't know 'how' limited this is.
Anyone know what the release counts are on these limited edition TDI releases?
Vic
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Subject: Tangerine Dream weekend on the radio!!!
Well, not all TD, but the local classic rock station here in
Atlanta (Z93 92.9MHz) is having their Partly Pink, Purely
Progressive weekend again and I have already counted three
TD tracks. They have played parts of Logos Pt. 1, Dominion
and Tangram Pt. 1 (these are from the Tangents boxed set).
Something about hearing these tracks on the radio just makes
'em sound that much better!
If you are in the area, tune in! And if you want to, e-mail the
station telling how much you like this program (I did the last
time they tried it and got a response that it was an experiment
and they weren't sure if it would be repeated. Looks like it was
successful! I guess there are some radio stations that do listen
to what the audience wants!)
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In a message dated 97-10-10 22:41:54 EDT, you write:
<< Really-From: AOutland@a...
To Mr. Wood: I thought this list was for the discussion of TD in any
way, shape, or form
Will someone please give me a concept of what this list is really about?
Dell
>>
Yes, Dell....hang in there. This list is lot like the weather in Iowa where
I live - just wait a minute and it will change. Topics will run anywhere
from FAQs, 'anal type' minutia info, dry tongue-in-cheek humor to downright
vicious flame wars. All of it is always fascinating and fun:-) I think
you'll find we are all very similar personalities....intelligent, witty,
knowledgeable in many areas, humerous, forgiving. And TD is what brings us
all together. Enjoy:-D
Sincerely,
Graf
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Hello, Jim and Pablo anyone???????
All requests are being denied, the government will claim the 5th and all
questions will be answered with questions. No knowledge of this cd will be
given, this never happened , you did not read this........
I mean what the heck???? One day it's on voiceprint for sale, next day
nada.Same with the official site, one day in the TICKER, next nada what the
hell? No one in this free world seems to be forthcoming with any knowledge.
Lars??Gooozer??? Morgan???? anyone??
=) chris
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Subject: Frankie and Eddie?
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(Also a test to see if I can cut out the garbage that Outlook
Express dumped into my first post using it...)
As far as I can remember, I read an article that said that Edgar was
influenced/inspired by FZ's Mothers Of Invention. It may have been
when Edgar was still fronting The Ones or one of the first incarnations
of TD; it has been years since I read it (it also said Eddie was influenced
by Pink Floyd; I'd guess the Syd Barrett version...). I can't remember where
I read it or what publication it was in, but I think it had a picture of
Edgar playing
guitar and singing (he didn't have any facial hair), so I'll guess it was
while he
was in The Ones.
NP: Radio Z93 (King Crimson's 'Epitaph'!! Mellotron heaven!!)
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Subject: Jim and Pablo
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
I don't know a thing. I ordered mine the day(?) it appeared (well the
minute I read John B's post). I have yet to hear anything from Voiceprint
other than a confirmation than a 'thanks for your order.' (I'll never
order by e-mail again! I'm not sure they read it every day!) I've been a
little suspicious about this release myself and noticed (as did others)
that it had disappeared. The lack of pre-publicity makes me even more
suspicious. I fear another 'Keep' recall and think those lucky enough to
receive them (please God let me be one too!) may well have a collector's
item.
just think, one day this list will have some 'fanatic' ;-) on it 'out to
prove the Jim & Pablo soundtrack was really released in 1997' (it will
even say so in his signature line ;-) but everyone else will be telling him
that it never existed or that it was pulled due to legal wrangles between
the major players involved. And those few people who really own copies
will never want to confirm its existence for some unknown reason.
lars
OK how many people really did get copies of this?
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Hi,
Anyone know where I can get a copy of the promo poster for TURN OF
THE TIDES? I really love the cover art to this album.
-- Steven Feldman
So do I! I searched for a long time without any luck...perhaps there
wasn't one! Maybe we should track down the graphic artist....
MJ
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The only other place I've seen mention of them is on the Voiceprint
page...
Mike J
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[...]
>just think, one day this list will have some 'fanatic' ;-) on it 'out to
>prove the Jim & Pablo soundtrack was really released in 1997' (it will
>even say so in his signature line ;-) but everyone else will be telling him
>that it never existed or that it was pulled due to legal wrangles between
>the major players involved. And those few people who really own copies
>will never want to confirm its existence for some unknown reason.
>
>lars
>OK how many people really did get copies of this?
>
I got a copy. I called Simon at Voiceprint directly. Maybe that will still
work. I was planning to get an extra copy or two, but Simon said thay had a
bunch of them, so I didn't want to invest the cash. These CDs still should
be available unless they were recalled and replaced by the new 'The Keep'
CDs :-)
Vic
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Really-From: Jorge Moreira
> I just received my 'Dream Collector' issue today. As always, this is a very
> nice publication and a must for any TD fan. The die hard and novice fan
> will always find something here of interest.
>
> I found two items in this issue that interest me. They are:
>
> 1. Phaedream
> 2. Lily on the Beach - from Italian Musica New Age Magazine.
>
> If anyone has these items to offer or a source for these items, please
> contact me privately.
>
> Also, does anybody receive a subscription to this Italian New Age magazine?
> I have tried to contact them, but I have never received a reply.
>
> Thanks,
> Vic
Hello, Vic
I receive a spanish version of the Italian 'New Age and New Sounds'
magazine, here in Portugal.
Thiss is a nice magazine with a cd of music (New Age, Ambient,
Electronic, World, etc.).
Jorge Moreira
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Thank you Graf for your reply. I am fascinated by what I see here.
Intelligence of the highest order (I am awed, but not into submission) seems
to be attracted to TD more so than say, country music? However, the witty
part is what I am having trouble deciphering. I don't know when someone is
joking or being serious. I suggested earlier more smiley faces to help the
new people such as myself to know you are pulling legs. I get the impression
some of you guys have known each other for YEARS! This is great and I hope I
can be around after a couple of years, too. Dell
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Subject: No TD content :(
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> Actually I was thinking that The Internet was
> created by Business and Money to make more Business and more Money.
Nope. The Internet, originally the Arpanet, was created by the U.S.
Government with _our_ money (if you're a U.S. taxpayer) for the purpouse
of facilitating communications amongst scientists, presumably in support
of weapons development.
It continues to exist mostly because of private business interests, however.
It was not created by anti-capitalist idealogues such as yourself and
never could have been.
> Money is
> Power. Power corrupts.
Your statement is trite.
Triteness is annoying.
> Corruption eventually destroys all good ideas.
Support this absurdly absolutist statement, if you can.
> Like
> Atomic Power for example.
This is a particularly interesting assertion. When was Atomic Power
a purely good idea? What manner of corruption destroyed it? Atomic
Power, to my understanding, is a gamble, a calculated risk.
> Greed always proves to cause a debasement of all
> worthwhile endeavors.
Maybe you're just having a particularly bad day. I would hate to think
that this dark little cloud rains on you _all_ the time.
Greed is the cause of many worthwhile endeavors. Of course there
other motivations for worthwhile endeavors as well, just as all manner
of motivations can be the force behind endeavors judged to be less
than worthwhile.
> It will be, therefore, inevitable that the worthwhile
> elements of the internet will gradually become lost and unrecoverable as the
> virus of profiteering and greed permeate the entire network.
Yikes! You're so over-the-top here, I hope you're joking. Most of us
work for a living, which makes us 'greedy profiteers'. Unless you
would turn down a raise in pay in deference to your high morals,
you're no different.
> I predict that
> in twenty years the internet freedom we have today will be totally, utterly,
> and completely _gone_.
Excesses in adjectives aside, you are essentially correct. I predict that
in twenty years the internet as we know it will not exist. The internet
as we know it is in a constant state of change.
I don't fear business nearly as much as I fear government. If you consider
a concentration of power and money to be, by definition, a 'corrupting'
force, then the Federal governments are where these things are the most
centralized.
We're all grownups here, so he have to face the fact that we live
in an imperfect world where unjust things sometimes happen. All things
considered, I don't think it is nearly as nasty a world as you seem to
think it is. Of course, I have the good fortune of living in the United
States, where the only realistic fear of Government is the fear of
tax increases.
By the way, I'm a big fan of Tangerine Dream! Anybody know where I
can find a mailing list about Tangerine Dream?
Michael Kepler
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Anybody have the number to VOICEPRINT?
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Really-From: Jim Moore
> Really-From: Vic Rek
> I ordered the black
> and white poster from the 1992 Rockoon tour - very nice! Somebody else once
> described this poster here, but again it's a group picture shot is some old
> run down building. I think I'll frame it!
What's even more interesting is that Klaus Kreiger is in the shot, and
he never appeared on the tour! And if you look at the same picture
on the 220 Volt Cover, he's been mysteriously removed from the
photo...
- jim
'A committee is a cul-de-sac down which ideas are lured and
then quietly strangled.' -- Sir Barnett Cocks
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does anybody have the original Ricochet insert? (Voices says some UK stock
copies came with inserts) -- can anyone tell me what is on it? Text?
Images??
and while we're on the topic, if you want to trade it / sell it. e-mail
privately. If not, please just let me know about the insert.
thanks
lars
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there was a TOTT promo poster, I have it. it's really nice. a fellow
listmember was nice enough to give it to me ;-)
lars
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Subject: D:Solo Week 18 - Oct. 13, 1997
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This week we would like to hear comments on:
Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer
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Please make subject 'D:Macula Transfer' when commenting.
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Subject: Re: TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 6.0
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In a message dated 97-10-10 16:50:24 EDT, you write:
<<
TANGERINE DREAM POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 6.0, by Steven Feldman (10/10/97):
>>
Great job! Thanks Steven. (The man with the BIG pockets ;-)
Phil Naunton
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I've been off list for a few days. I hope I haven't missed
anything.
Could someone tell me where I can get some quality bootlegs ?
Sorry, I couldn't resist. Of course maybe it's too early for jokes
of this nature.
PRN
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In a message dated 97-10-10 14:33:53 EDT,
<< Raymond Scott / Soothing Sounds For Baby Vol.. 2 (E-music for babies from
1962! K00l stuff! >>
Craig, I have alot of Raymond Scott, but I've not run into this
one. What label is it on?
Phil Naunton
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At 08:11 PM 10/11/1997 -0700, you wrote:
>Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson)
>
>
>Anybody have the number to VOICEPRINT?
>
Contact Voiceprint at
PO Box 50
Houghton-le-Spring
Tyne and Wear
DH4 5YP
Tel 44 (0) 191 512 1103
Fax 44 (0) 191 512 1104
Freephone UK 0500 829 262
Freephone USA 1 800 567 9185
E-mail Rob@v...
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At 11:24 PM 10/11/1997 -0400, Phil jerks some newbies' chain:
>
> Could someone tell me where I can get some quality bootlegs ?
>
We don't got no steenkeen' bootlegs here!
Andrew
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Subject: Back from KLEM
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
I just got back from the KLEM-day festival.
It was great.
Great perfromance by RMI. Mellotron on stage,
lots of analog sequencer-stuff. I just had to
close my eyes and I was away. Superb.
Then there was Michael Stearns which was good
too. Not my kind of music, but a very big sound.
He used 6 channel (kinda like Omni-theatre).
I wish I had bring along more of my CDs, because
they were gone in no time. Luckily I have written down
the names.
Not that many weird TD-stuff. At least not for me, but
if you didn't have any bootlegs then this was the place
to be. I got Phaedraem, which is a performance of
the Royal Albert Hall, 1975. First track is different then
Coeff. 1 or 2. 2nd track, I don't know because I don't
have Coeff. right here.
Third track is actually another band, Neuronium. Which is
a very good track too. It's from their 2nd LP Vuelo Quimico.
Quality is good, just a little backgrnd-noise.
Info:
Phaedraem (sticker says japan import)
1. Movement of a visionary 12:44
2. Rubycon (part II) 20:08
3. Myst. Sembl. at the Stand of Nightmares 15:53
Yes, it's Stand.
No numbers on the inserts. It's not a CDR recording.
Very nice artwork, with the three on the front-insert and
on the back.
It was nice to meet some of you. Hi Kent, Airsculpture, Ashok,
and others. Jens, you were there too?
I finally bought Node. Oops, this is super-stuff! This group
MUST continue!!
Have a nice Sunday.
Marcel
Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm
Email :fsp@p...
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Really-From: 'Craig Shipley'
I was asked about where to snag copies of 'Soothing Sounds For Baby'
by Raymond Scott. I bought them from Basta Records in the Netherlands
for about US$10.00 a copy. They shipped the three CD's and a free sampler
to me in less than a week. Their e-mail address is:
http://eastsite.nl/basta
(For those of you who don't know who RS is, he was the man most well known
for the music used in Looney Tune cartoons. However, he was a pioneer of
electronic music; he built a keyboard controlled Theremin, the first
sequencers
and a ton of other bits 'n pieces. Bob Moog worked with him on a lot of the
early
stuff. The CD's that I mentioned were made in 1962 as 'parental aids' to
help
calm and entertain Baby. They are all electronic and are surprisingly
sophisticated
for 'baby music'. These are nice artifacts to own, even if you don't have an
infant.
There are a couple of long, annoying tracks that are just clock ticks and a
simulated
typewriter, but they do work on the intended audience! The CD's do have a
nice write-up
of his electronic music works. All in all, a very nice package for around
US$35.00 total.
obTangerine Dream: There have been at least 5 TD tracks played on the
'progressive rock'
radio program this weekend (and it is only Sunday AM).
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Subject: No TD: Analogue Sounds
Picked up a neat Xmas CD from Gourd Music called
_A_Toolbox_Christmas_, Woody Phillips has 13 Xmas favourites arranged with
power tools and hand tools and noises from stuff found around the workshop
(2x4 marimba sounds, Duct tape, and shop vacs)
A perfect gift for the home improvement aficionado.
Of course it's no surprise that he credits his woodworking hero Norm Abram
in the liner notes
'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road.
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At 06:44 PM 10/11/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Really-From: Michael Kepler
>
>> Actually I was thinking that The Internet was
>> created by Business and Money to make more Business and more Money.
>
>Nope. The Internet, originally the Arpanet, was created by the U.S.
>Government with _our_ money (if you're a U.S. taxpayer) for the purpouse
>of facilitating communications amongst scientists, presumably in support
>of weapons development.
Hmm... that's not what I heard. I was told that Arpanet was created so
that, in the case of a nuclear strike by the [former] Soviet Union, the
United States would still have an excellent means of communication. The
Internet is something like septuply redundant and of course the entire
system is designed so that messages (packets in technospeak) get through,
no matter what path is necessary for them to get there, be it telephone
wire(copper in techno-slang), fiber, wireless, or satellite.
>It continues to exist mostly because of private business interests, however.
>It was not created by anti-capitalist idealogues such as yourself and
>never could have been.
Hmm... From what I know, Colleges, and Universities didn't get access to
Arpanet until years after it was created... Businesses only recently
started to accept that the Internet is a means to make money. I always
thought that until 1992, most businesses saw the Internet as nothing more
than universities asking each other for library books and transferring
files and email.
>> Money is
>> Power. Power corrupts.
What a lame statement. Are you employed? Do you like people to listen to
you? I am employed, and I love when people listen to me. Ya go with what
works and help people in your spare time.
Don't you think that the people who have worked the HARDEST should have the
LARGEST voice? It is unfortunate that hard-working competitive people DON'T
get to the top.
I will sooner listen to a self-made man or woman, than to someone who has
lots of ideas and has never implemented any of them.
>> Corruption eventually destroys all good ideas.
Hmm... another general statement... Define corruption. Corruption is the
negative side of the coin. Problem-solving based on the best possible
results is the positive side.
>> Like
>> Atomic Power for example.
>
>This is a particularly interesting assertion. When was Atomic Power
>a purely good idea? What manner of corruption destroyed it? Atomic
>Power, to my understanding, is a gamble, a calculated risk.
The only thing wrong with Atomic Power is that people don't understand the
concept of calculated risks... (and that these contracts go to the lowest
bidder).
>> Greed always proves to cause a debasement of all
>> worthwhile endeavors.
>Maybe you're just having a particularly bad day. I would hate to think
>that this dark little cloud rains on you _all_ the time.
Ya, no kidding. You get fired recently?
>Greed is the cause of many worthwhile endeavors. Of course there
>other motivations for worthwhile endeavors as well, just as all manner
>of motivations can be the force behind endeavors judged to be less
>than worthwhile.
People want money, they create a business to that end. You call it greed, I
call it entrepreneurship.
>> It will be, therefore, inevitable that the worthwhile
>> elements of the internet will gradually become lost and unrecoverable as
the
>> virus of profiteering and greed permeate the entire network.
>
>Yikes! You're so over-the-top here, I hope you're joking. Most of us
>work for a living, which makes us 'greedy profiteers'. Unless you
>would turn down a raise in pay in deference to your high morals,
>you're no different.
Man, you are really set on this thing. Ya, there's money, smut, and
downright porn on the Internet. And there are money, smut, and porn in the
real world. Where the hell did this spotlight on the Internet come from?
The Internet mirrors real life, not some kind of information heaven.
I am a believer in Chaos theory and Entropy (although I don't thoroughly
understand these sciences). The expression 'Everything is going from bad to
worse' isn't a euphamism. It's fact. So just do what you can in your own
little corner of the world to help people. Hopefully enough people will do
this.
>> I predict that
>> in twenty years the internet freedom we have today will be totally,
utterly,
>> and completely _gone_.
>
>Excesses in adjectives aside, you are essentially correct. I predict that
>in twenty years the internet as we know it will not exist. The internet
>as we know it is in a constant state of change.
I hope the Internet grows so large that the government has absolutely no
control over it. Although movies like Bladerunner and other Cyberflicks
usually view the future through extremely dark glasses, I am kind of torn
between a bright future and a dark future...
The Internet could go 2 ways. The government could try to tighten its
grasp. Or the government could give up and let the internet providers
enforce things. It should be pretty obvious which one I like better, but
parents of small children would probably support the first one.
>I don't fear business nearly as much as I fear government. If you consider
>a concentration of power and money to be, by definition, a 'corrupting'
>force, then the Federal governments are where these things are the most
>centralized.
It is very clear to everyone that Corporations try to make money. What
turns my stomach is when governments keep crossing the line between church
and corporation.
>We're all grownups here, so he have to face the fact that we live
>in an imperfect world where unjust things sometimes happen. All things
>considered, I don't think it is nearly as nasty a world as you seem to
>think it is. Of course, I have the good fortune of living in the United
>States, where the only realistic fear of Government is the fear of
>tax increases.
It's hard to believe that the United States did not have an income tax less
than 100 years ago... All I know is, Income Tax law, as it stands now,
victimizes the people who work the hardest, and it victimizes people who
invest and save up money.
Morgan
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Subject: mark filipak
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dreamers
I spoke with Mark today. He's busy surviving and getting his head back
above water. He says that he hopes to get back on e-mail very soon but at
the moment other things in his life have higher priorities. I'm sure he
could use our support so send some good vibes his way.
lars
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Subject: JIM AND PABLO
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
Well if it turns into a rarity, I'm one who WILL admit having a copy...
One thing I noticed is that there is no info on the spine... like TDI 000?
There isn't a whole lot of music on there! Alot of the 'sounds' seem to
be from the early 80s...
By the way, has anyone catalogued all the TDI releases to date and their
product numbers?
MJ
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Subject: Re: No TD content :(
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Since I had a major part in beginning this stupid discussion with
my off beat sense of humor, I highly recommend the the discussion cease.
Particularly since it has 'nada' to do with TD and appears to be filling the
air space with all kinds of angst static. It can only end in tears.
Now, . . . . . . . . what kind of guitar strings does Edgar use?
Phil Naunton
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Subject: Horizon Music, Tournado, have you received it?
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Hello,
I was wondering if anyone has ordered Tournado through Horizon
Music? Wondering if you received yours, if you did. I haven't
received mine.
Thanks,
Martyn
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Date: Mon Oct 13, 1997 12:34
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Subject: Samples
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Thanks, Morgan, for the snippets you provided (for a little while, anyway)
on your page.
I eagerly await the legal, commercial, versions of these tracks (hint hint
TDI!)
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Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready)
On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:14:41 -0500 (CDT), Capel wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone has ordered Tournado through Horizon
>Music? Wondering if you received yours, if you did. I haven't
>received mine.
Nope, still waiting on Tournado & Oasis here. I believe they said 4-6
weeks after the end of August ... so I'm keeping an eye on my mailbox,
but nothing yet. =(
-Steve
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Subject: THE KEEP
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Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft)
>just think, one day this list will have some 'fanatic' ;-) on
>it 'out to prove the Jim & Pablo soundtrack was really
>released in 1997' (it will even say so in his signature
>line ;-) but everyone else will be telling him that it never
>existed or that it was pulled due to legal wrangles between
>the major players involved. And those few people who
>really own copies will never want to confirm its existence
>for some unknown reason.
Lars, you are cracking me up!
But: has it ever occured to anyone that the following scenario *could*
be possible and likely:
PHASE 1:
The year is 1984. A vinyl LP called 'THE KEEP' appears in a few record
stores, placed either in the TD bin, or in the 'soundtracks' bin.
It gets picked up by:
1) movie soundtrack collectors
2) *occasional* TD fans
3) maybe even a few *devoted* TD fans
Both of the first groups wouldn't be on this mailing list or check out
the TD home page. And as chance will have it, those few of group (3)
also happen to not be on this list. So we never hear from anyone that
has one of these rarities.
PHASE 2:
The story continues: The year is 1998. Record stores all over the
place stock a CD called 'THE KEEP'.
Members of groups 1) 2) and 3) who already have the LP see this CD.
They remember that this was a really good soundtrack which
unfortunately has been sitting in their basement ever since they
dumped their turntables in 1992. So they purchase it. Since it has
been so long that they listened to their vinyl, only few of them
notice that this CD is in fact a totally rerecorded and remixed
'tangentized' version of The Keep.
PHASE 3:
Some of these people decide to bring all that old vinyl stuff,
especially the albums they also have on CD to their local second hand
store to get some cold hard cash.
PHASE 4:
Finally, after all these years, we discover to our great surprise, the
original 1984 THE KEEP LP in a second hand store in our neighborhood.
Yippeee!!! And all this thanks to the CD release of the new, remixed,
tangentized 'The Keep' that we all bitched about upon its release in
early 1998...
Does this sound too good to be true? We'll see. Just don't give up
hoping...
Hilmar
(who fears the next TD album may be called 'Energy Trance ReMixes
based on themes of the original motion picture The Keep')
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Subject: Re: Das Boot
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On Oct 10, 11:04am, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Re: Das Boot
> Really-From: Dave Brewer
>
>
>
> I could just see it now... 'I'm not going to tell you where I got my copy
> of Spherical Harmonics until you prove to me you're not part of the Boot
> Patrol!' We can't trust anyone around here, can we? :-) The computer
> screens have ears... Are you really who you say you are, Vincent? ;-)
>
> Dave Brewer (looking over his shoulder...)
Of course not: I'm someone else, and so are you. Now, let's see if the Boot
Police can track me down...
Someone Else
On line since 30 minutes ago
First exposure: air
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>> Further (and just to get anyone a bit more paranoiac) what if
this GreyZone
>> company was to have agents join in a chat group like ours
and, innocently,
>> asks that very question? Any answer, be it private or
public, could be
>> used by them, right?
>I could just see it now... 'I'm not going to tell you where I
got my copy
>of Spherical Harmonics until you prove to me you're not part of
the Boot
>Patrol!' We can't trust anyone around here, can we? :-) The
computer
>screens have ears... Are you really who you say you are,
Vincent? ;-)
That's not a bad idea. No, seriously! I don't think we have much
to fear from the Bootstapo, but the folks on, say, alt.music.bootlegs,
or a list devoted to one of the more popular bands I would guess really
_do_ have something to fear.
On the Pink Floyd list, we would always refer to boots as
'ROIO.' (Recordings Of Illegitimate Origin) Using the B-word would get
you a reprimand from the listowner, and mentioning the name & location
of shops selling boots would get you booted from the list. I used to
think they were being overly paranoid until I read GrayZone's manifesto.
(For those without Web access, they state that they lurk on mailing
lists, newsgroups and chats looking for bootlegs and pirates and report
them to the authorities when they find them.)
Scott
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Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
On Oct 13, 9:57am, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: RE: Das Boot
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
(...)
>
>
> That's not a bad idea. No, seriously! I don't think we have much
> to fear from the Bootstapo, but the folks on, say, alt.music.bootlegs,
> or a list devoted to one of the more popular bands I would guess really
> _do_ have something to fear.
Now, that's an idea: let's create lots of sites called 'boot' or variation
thereof, and stuff them with wild goose-chase bogus info. The Boostapo
(I love this this designation, Scott!) will spend so much time in there,
they'll leave us alone...
>
> On the Pink Floyd list, we would always refer to boots as
> 'ROIO.' (Recordings Of Illegitimate Origin) Using the B-word would get
> you a reprimand from the listowner, and mentioning the name & location
> of shops selling boots would get you booted from the list. I used to
> think they were being overly paranoid until I read GrayZone's manifesto.
> (For those without Web access, they state that they lurk on mailing
> lists, newsgroups and chats looking for bootlegs and pirates and report
> them to the authorities when they find them.)
Hmmmm... Does it mean that now they check for the 'ROIO' acronym? 'A rose
by any other name...'
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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Date: Mon Oct 13, 1997 2:33
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Subject: Jim and Pablo
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
I heard that Jim and Pablo overheard the fracas last week on this here site and
became concerned over their cd release. Jim told Pablo he felt it would be in
their best interest to involve themselves with a less hostile crowd being that
the
Jim and Pablo-unplugged boot was now making the rounds.I have this from a good
source that the TDI version is now fetching upwards of $300.00 for a wrapped
copy.=+)
Chris
NP -Jim and Pablo: the Miramar years
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Subject: RE: Das Boot
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>Hmmmm... Does it mean that now they check for the 'ROIO'
acronym? 'A rose
>by any other name...'
They may by now. When I left the PF list a year ago (Hello, I'm
Scott, and I'm a Floydaholic, and I've been Floyd-free for a year now)
folks were calling them 'cookies,' a derivative of the phonetic
pronunciation of ROIO sounding like 'oreo.' Drove me nuts.
Scott
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Subject: Re: Horizon Music, Tournado, have you received it?
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> Quoted From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready)
>
> On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:14:41 -0500 (CDT), Capel wrote:
>
> > I was wondering if anyone has ordered Tournado through Horizon
> >Music? Wondering if you received yours, if you did. I haven't
> >received mine.
>
> Nope, still waiting on Tournado & Oasis here. I believe they said 4-6
> weeks after the end of August ... so I'm keeping an eye on my mailbox,
> but nothing yet. =(
>
I haven't gotten mine either. Been patiently awaiting them since the
start of the month. I am a little annoyed that Miramar is going to
release Oasis now, and with an extra track. Arrgh!!! More stuff to get
now... Here's to paying for Edgar and Jerome's new equipment. :-)
Dayv Bru'r
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SPEAKING OF TOURNADO,
the US release date was sept 30. but has ANYONE in the US seen a copy in
the stores (not an import copy but a stock copy) -- or has the release date
been pushed back?? I checked a little today but nothing and no help from
the stores either.
lars
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
I haven't seen it anywhere either I went out on Sunday and none of my local
shops had it, but it was in their database to order. I placed several orders in
hopes of one calling me back . We'll see.
Post note-I want your TD posters, mail me for yer cost wants.Thanks.
Chris
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> Now, . . . . . . . . what kind of guitar strings does Edgar use?
>
>Phil Naunton
>
HA! INDEED! It seems Edgar just wants to STRING us along! Posts up info,
makes everyone go all rabidy and drooling and all, then....BANG....it all
disappears! Not a word! Not a trace! AND SPEAKING OF NOT A TRACE...what
about those Aliens in Roswell....huh?.....eh?......government conspiracy is
wot.......(grumble)............................(walks away mumbling)
Mike
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>Really-From: 'Craig Shipley'
>
>
>I was asked about where to snag copies of 'Soothing Sounds For Baby'
>by Raymond Scott. <<
Craig, et al,
See the site http://users.aol.com/DevilDrums
Lotsa RS info and you can order all the CD's from there.
(Craig, didn't you post this URL originally?)
Mike
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Ah! Thanks for the update. If anyone speaks to Mark, let him know we think
of him!
Mike
>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>
>dreamers
>I spoke with Mark today. He's busy surviving and getting his head back
>above water. He says that he hopes to get back on e-mail very soon but at
>the moment other things in his life have higher priorities. I'm sure he
>could use our support so send some good vibes his way.
>
>lars
>
>
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There were some delays that I cannot discuss at the moment, but be patient
because all that have ordered them WILL get them :-)
Vic
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>
>Hello,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has ordered Tournado through Horizon
>Music? Wondering if you received yours, if you did. I haven't
>received mine.
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I also checked CDnow and see that tournado has been placed on back-order
status... hmmmm it's not looking good. anyone willing to place bets on
whether Oasis will appear on time? (although, since this is a miramar
release, it probably stands a much better chance of appearing than a TDI
release...)
has anyone heard anything?
-- let's see, so far we have:
New Studio released promised for this summer: never appeared
US release of Tournado: promised, undelivered
Jim and Pablo: here but vanished into thin air (if you blinked, too late)
--- and coming soon???!
US version of Oasis
Edgar's mega box set...
OST: (b/w film on transiberia RR)...
OST: the keep special version (150 copies -- or is this prerelease only?)
OST: the keep.... yeah...
dream mixes on laserdisc
oasis on laserdisc
EP for UK tour 97??*
new release available only/first on UK tour 97???*
vinyl picture discs of dream mixes, TOB, TOTT, rockoon, etc. etc.
did I miss anything?
oh yeah, the OST for Dante's divina comedia stage show in australia...
ciao
lars
*=pure conjecture on my part
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Subject: JIM AND PABLO
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
The following is from the official websit.I entered the following last week
regarding Jim and Pablo.Here's the answer.Iguess we'll have to stay tuned!
Posted last Sat, 11/Oct/97 19:3
Chris-I'm just writing because I wanted to know what happened to the info on
the JIM AND PABLO cd's that were spoken about on the site. They were availible
thru voice print
and now all info on them has disappeared. Why the removal?
Stefan>Hi Christopher, an update of latest news including Jim&Pablo is coming
soon now, please check the What's On page next week! - Webmaster
Later!
Christopher
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Sigh, as far as *I'm* concerned, there are only three good things
about MACULA TRANSFER. They are:
o the cover art (best-ever on a TD-related album!)
o the tip of the hat to David Bowie and Iggy Pop on the inside of the
gatefold
o one track, 'OS 452,' was remixed for the better with added sound
effects and guitar, and put on Edgar's SOLO 1974-1979 compilation.
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dream mixes on laserdisc:I have this Hooray!!!
Christopher
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
I also checked CDnow and see that tournado has been placed on back-order
status... hmmmm it's not looking good. anyone willing to place bets on
whether Oasis will appear on time? (although, since this is a miramar
release, it probably stands a much better chance of appearing than a TDI
release...)
has anyone heard anything?
-- let's see, so far we have:
New Studio released promised for this summer: never appeared
US release of Tournado: promised, undelivered
Jim and Pablo: here but vanished into thin air (if you blinked, too late)
--- and coming soon???!
US version of Oasis
Edgar's mega box set...
OST: (b/w film on transiberia RR)...
OST: the keep special version (150 copies -- or is this prerelease only?)
OST: the keep.... yeah...
dream mixes on laserdisc
oasis on laserdisc
EP for UK tour 97??*
new release available only/first on UK tour 97???*
vinyl picture discs of dream mixes, TOB, TOTT, rockoon, etc. etc.
did I miss anything?
oh yeah, the OST for Dante's divina comedia stage show in australia...
ciao
lars
*=pure conjecture on my part
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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>Subject: THE KEEP
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:32:16 GMT
>Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft)
>
>>just think, one day this list will have some 'fanatic' ;-) on
>>it 'out to prove the Jim & Pablo soundtrack was really
>>released in 1997' (it will even say so in his signature
>>line ;-) but everyone else will be telling him that it never
>>existed or that it was pulled due to legal wrangles between
>>the major players involved. And those few people who
>>really own copies will never want to confirm its existence
>>for some unknown reason.
>
>Lars, you are cracking me up!
Yeah, well, hardy har har! :( X-0 ;) :) I have a feeling
that Lars' 'little joke' is going to turn out to be not too funny
as far as JIM & PABLO is concerned.
>But: has it ever occured to anyone that the following scenario *could*
>be possible and likely:
>
>PHASE 1:
>The year is 1984. A vinyl LP called 'THE KEEP' appears in a few record
>stores, placed either in the TD bin, or in the 'soundtracks' bin.
>
>It gets picked up by:
>1) movie soundtrack collectors
>2) *occasional* TD fans
>3) maybe even a few *devoted* TD fans
>
>Both of the first groups wouldn't be on this mailing list or check out
>the TD home page. And as chance will have it, those few of group (3)
>also happen to not be on this list. So we never hear from anyone that
>has one of these rarities.
The above is probably *exactly* what happened.
>PHASE 2:
>The story continues: The year is 1998. Record stores all over the
>place stock a CD called 'THE KEEP'.
>
>Members of groups 1) 2) and 3) who already have the LP see this CD.
>They remember that this was a really good soundtrack which
>unfortunately has been sitting in their basement ever since they
>dumped their turntables in 1992. So they purchase it. Since it has
>been so long that they listened to their vinyl, only few of them
>notice that this CD is in fact a totally rerecorded and remixed
>'tangentized' version of The Keep.
Unfortunately--for *us*-- some *will* notice that the official
wide release is completely different and therefore not part with the
vinyl. :(
>PHASE 3:
>Some of these people decide to bring all that old vinyl stuff,
>especially the albums they also have on CD to their local second hand
>store to get some cold hard cash.
Yup, and they bring it to every record store that is not in the
vicinity of a TD fan with a computer. ;) :(
>PHASE 4:
>Finally, after all these years, we discover to our great surprise, the
>original 1984 THE KEEP LP in a second hand store in our neighborhood.
Don't hold your breath.
>Yippeee!!! And all this thanks to the CD release of the new, remixed,
>tangentized 'The Keep' that we all bitched about upon its release in
>early 1998...
This might well turn out to be the case regarding those who don't
realize that the new CD and the original LP/CS/CD are different.
>[. . .] the next TD album may be called 'Energy Trance ReMixes
>based on themes of the original motion picture The Keep')
Again, I fear that this is more likely that possible.
-- Steven Feldman
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On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>
> Sigh, as far as *I'm* concerned, there are only three good things
> about MACULA TRANSFER. They are:
>
> o the cover art (best-ever on a TD-related album!)
> o the tip of the hat to David Bowie and Iggy Pop on the inside of the
> gatefold
> o one track, 'OS 452,' was remixed for the better with added sound
> effects and guitar, and put on Edgar's SOLO 1974-1979 compilation.
>
> -- Steven Feldman
>
I don't think I've ever heard such a one-sided, one-dimensional dismissal
of an album, except the 'One Note Over Four Sides' attributed to _Zeit_
(which I do agree with by the way).
NP: Edgar Froese--_Macula Transfer_ (comments forthcoming)
Gabe
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>Subject: Re: D:Macula Transfer
>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:36:27 -0400 (EDT)
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
>I don't think I've ever heard such a one-sided, one-dimensional
>dismissal of an album, except the 'One Note Over Four Sides' attributed
>to _Zeit_ (which I do agree with by the way).
I recall seeing one on this list. I think it was typed by Mathew
Hargreaves. The album was DEADLY CARE. The comment was 'Deadly Boring.'
The funny thing is, I prefer DEADLY CARE to MACULA TRANSFER.
-- Steven Feldman
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
I spoke with world party music today and they are sure they can get more
copies of digital gothic in supply soon. they are $16.74 + shipping (cash,
visa & MC). if you want one, please phone or email them to order as he was
to speak with his supplier today. 610-566-9424 / fax 610 891 9657.
http://wpmusic.com
lars
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Subject: U.S Tour?
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Really-From: Hank Vare
Hi All,
Has TD announced any U.S. dates?
Thanks,
Hank Vare
King of Prussia, PA
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
Hhmm, after all those bad 'reviews' here's
a good one.
I love this album.
Lots of guitar and mellotron-stuff.
I don't have much time to write
anything more about it. But I was very happy to,
finally,get ahold of a copy.
Marcel
Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm
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Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson)
Where did you score Dream Mixes on laserdisc and how much was it? I am a
big laserdisc fan and would like to know a good source for TD material on
ld!
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>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>SPEAKING OF TOURNADO,
>the US release date was sept 30. but has ANYONE in the US seen a copy in
>the stores (not an import copy but a stock copy) -- or has the release date
>been pushed back?? I checked a little today but nothing and no help from
>the stores either.
The UK release date was supposed to be the 23rd Sept, but I haven't seen any in
the stores here either. I did expect to see some, because Oasis seems to have
had a good distribution here, appearing in all the major record stores.
PS - don't worry lars, I haven't forgotten. Soon.
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Subject: Micro Review: Digital Gothic
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Really-From: Grant Middleton
Hi folks,
Craig C. lent me his copy of 'Digital Gothic' yesterday.
I started reading at 8 p.m. and finished at 2 a.m. This
book is 'unputdownable' ! Even though I'm quite familiar
with a lot of the history, mythology and background of
the band, this book never failed to surprise. There are
also some places which made me laugh out loud. The author
is obviously very keen on TD (especially the Baumann
years, as he freely admits) but has taken a step back
and looked at them through a critic's eye. I agree with
his observations and opinions 98% of the time; I'm sure
the 'average' fan would be quite outraged by some of his
comments, though. 'White Eagle' fans beware !
Interestingly, since reading the book, instead of being
my usual fatalistic, apathetic self, I'm now intrigued
to find out which direction TD take in the next couple
of years. It would also appear that Edgar is set on
doing the 'Big Handover' to Jerome in the year 2000.
If you like TD, get this book. It's that simple. The only
negative comment I'd make is that there aren't enough
pictures and those that are there are grainy b/w efforts.
Grant
Fave comment: Steve Shroyder was dropped after 'Freaking
Totally Out'.
2nd fave : Edgar exploded at Schulze for playing organ
that was 'too extreme'.
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>Where did you score Dream Mixes on laserdisc and how much was it? I am a
>big laserdisc fan and would like to know a good source for TD material on
>ld!
Try Laserdisc Enterprises at http://www.accessdvd.com/
They have an 800 number (I think) that I don't have with me, but you can
also call 770-955-8909.
Good luck,
Vic
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Really-From: Micke Stark
Hi all!
I ordered JIM & PABLO 3-oct from
Anne Marie Hill (AM@v...),
and it arrived yesterday 13-oct.
Maybe they still have some in stock?!
Give it a try.
/Micke
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Subject: Strangers in the Night Complete
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Really-From: Vic Rek
I've been on a scavenger hunt for all different material released with Peter
Baumann's LP 'Strangers in the Night'. This solo release is NOT available
on CD. Totally different music than you would expect from early Baumann,
but interesting nevertheless ('80s new wave?).
I finally acquired all different versions of tracks and here is a summary:
Strangers in the Night (long version) - 5:40
Strangers in the Night (special version) - 4:57
Strangers in the Night (7' German promo version) - 3:53
Strangers in the Night (7' US promo version) - 3:28
Strangers in the Night (bonus rap) - 1:20
Fremde in der Nacht (German lyrics version) - 3:54
Welcome (long version) - 4:24
So if somebody really needs to hear all these different versions, please
contact me off list.
Vic
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Date: Tue Oct 14, 1997 1:09
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Subject: Jim and Pablo - Hurry!
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Really-From: Vic Rek
Don't worry, but hurry if you want 'Jim & Pablo'.
More info:
Voiceprint is the only place in the world that has this CD. This CD was
pulled from advertising because it is not an official TD release and it
looks like it can still be pulled from sale at any time (or sell out?).
Voiceprint tells me that they still have copies and they are still sending
them out. So go get them, and hurry!!!
But if all else fails and you can't get this CD, let me know and maybe I'll
be able to help ;-)
Vic
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Subject: Dream mixes laser
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
It's widely availible here in the states.Try KEN CRANES LAserdisc store at
http://www.kencranes.com/laserdiscs/index.html
I got mine for 39.99.
Chris
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Where did you score Dream Mixes on laserdisc and how much was it? I am a
big laserdisc fan and would like to know a good source for TD material on
ld!
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Subject: Re: No TD content :(
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> I don't fear business nearly as much as I fear government. If you consider
> a concentration of power and money to be, by definition, a 'corrupting'
> force, then the Federal governments are where these things are the most
> centralized.
Michael, I agreed with most of what you argued in your posting, except for
this paragraph. It reveals the extent to which anti-goverment propaganda
has infiltrated your thinking. The current trend is not towards
government centralization; it is towards downloading and privatization.
The federal level passes the buck to the state or provincial level, which
passes it to the municipal level, which sells it off to private interests.
Furthermore, what can be more bureaucratic, inflexible and self-interested
than a large corporation? The difference is that governments are
democratically elected and (in theory) accountable to the people whereas
private corporations are not. You can argue about accountability to
shareholders, and the power of the marketplace, but this only counts if
you have enough cash to participate in those processes.
Taxation is not some evil force intent on making your elected officials
rich at your expense. It has to do with the establishment of a social
contract, where we have a responsibility to one another: something that
North American society is losing sight of. It's everyone for themself, and
poor people deserve their fate. Sharing the wealth a little is not some
communist idea, it's common sense and untimately it's good business.
I could go on, but yes, this has absolutely nothing to do with Tangerine
Dream!
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
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Subject: Soothing Sounds for Baby
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> >I was asked about where to snag copies of 'Soothing Sounds For Baby'
>
Speaking of which, last night I was trying to get my screaming,
almost-four-week-old son to sleep. I put on a tape of TD from Adelaide
'75 (thanks John) and five minutes later he was fast asleep.
Scott
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On Oct 14, 11:10am, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Soothing Sounds for Baby
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
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>
> > >I was asked about where to snag copies of 'Soothing Sounds For Baby'
> >
> Speaking of which, last night I was trying to get my screaming,
> almost-four-week-old son to sleep. I put on a tape of TD from Adelaide
> '75 (thanks John) and five minutes later he was fast asleep.
>
> Scott
>
>-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list
Ahhh yes... The old mid-70's sound. 'Ricochet' and 'Rubycon' may be my
favorite TD, but I end up listening to them quite less often than I play
them, since those relax me so much, I end up dozing off. The same problem
is happening with 'Red Shift', which I received two weeks ago (thanks
Ranjiit!) since it was so much recommended (thanks to so many list members)
and which I STILL have to listen to properly (I tried again yesterday for
the 6th time and snoozed off), so you know it is *GOOD*...
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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Subject: D: Macula Transfer
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Macula Transfer is relatively new to me. I heard it for the first time
earlier this year when I borrowed the LP, along with Ages, from a friend.
I now have both of these converted to MP3 files on ROM.
I love Macula Transfer. It is very much akin to the work of TD from
earlier years, although somehow more 'personal' or 'private' in feel.
If one does not appreciate very early TD, one will not appreciate this,
although it is somewhat more accessible as it has a little more
conventional structure than, say, Zeit. I'm not sure why, but Macula
Transfer, for me, resonates well with Sonic Seasonings by Walter Carlos.
That could just be because I had also borrowed and recorded the Carlos
LP in the same batch.
As long as Gabe brought it up, I disagree strongly with him (and Jerome)
about Zeit. It is one of my favorite pieces of music. Zeit trancends
the 'space music' genre and is more akin to the works of modern composers
such as Arvo Part.
So how the heck does somebody from a small city in the USA get their
hands on this fabled CD release of Ages? Is Macula Transfer on CD yet?
Michael Kepler
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Subject: Re: JIM & PABLO
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Hi,
no need to spread rumors about the Jim & Pablo CD. The info has
been removed from the web site just because it is no TD CD in
the usual sense and because it is soon to be promoted elsewhere.
Here is the original info:
A Science Fiction Audio (German language) Production for Children. Jim &
Pablo are two child characters, who travel to various locations around our
planet Earth - in later episodes they travel to different planets - where
they experience a variety of adventures. The stories aim to arouse interest
in phenomena found in nature, technology and human life. It is suitable for
school-age children between 6 - 10 years old. This is the first of 11
episodes which will be released initially on CD and later on CD-ROM with
animation. The narrators include actors such as Erwin Leder (Das Boot,
Schindler's List etc.), Torsten Sense (who synchronizes various American
actors voices) as well as reknowned actors from Vienna and Berlin.
Tangerine Dream is responsible for the music and production of the series.
The idea of creating such a series for the German-speaking world stems from
a successful production in the USA for the New York company Rabbit Ears,
called Rumpelstilskin, with Kathleen Turner as the narrator and music by
Tangerine Dream, which was part of a children's series combining various
names from show business with well-known composers. The narration is in the
German language. The English version is planned for release next year.
Regards,
Stefan
--
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Fax: +49-9352-89949 P.O. Box 1358
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Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
On Oct 14, 11:17am, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: D: Macula Transfer
> Really-From: 'Michael Kepler'
>
>
(...)
>
> So how the heck does somebody from a small city in the USA get their
> hands on this fabled CD release of Ages?
Order through e-mail services; that's what I did. (Montreal is a big city,
but new stuff takes time to get in...). Note that 'Ages' on CD is missing one
track that was on the original LP.
> Is Macula Transfer on CD yet?
Not yet. 'Dream Collector' (latest issue, received late last week) claims that
it should be out shortly though (late October, if my memory doesn't fail me).
Again, you'll have more chance ordering from Europe or from 'Progtron', as it
may be several extra weeks before the CD gets to a store near you (assuming
that it DOES reach a store near you at all).
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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Subject: CD burner questions - NO TD CONTENT
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
Could someone who owns a CD burner for his/her PC please contact me? I
have a few questions.
Scott E. Plumer
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Subject: Re: JIM & PABLO
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Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-10-14 14:42:58 EDT, you write:
<< no need to spread rumors about the Jim & Pablo CD. The info has
been removed from the web site just because it is no TD CD in
the usual sense and because it is soon to be promoted elsewhere >>
adding to the confusion is that it has no label or catalog #...and no, i
havent put it in the player yet....kinda makes me wonder why i bought
it...oh, well
tom w
np: cee-mix - low flying fragments
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Electronic Dreams October 13, 1997
Edgar Froese
'Macula Transfer'
Published 1976
Purchased 1980
Brain Records LP
60.008
There is some fine Froese guitar work on the 'os452' recording. It is
not exactly a blaze of 64th notes but the continuity is great. The melding
of the playing into the timing of the echo-delay adds a nice built in rhythm.
One can almost feel Edgar's heart beating throughout this piece.
'af765' is OK but, as the longest piece on the recording, is nothing
really special, in my mind. It seems more like a collage in its structure.
In other words it is a series of not necessarily related items, none-the-less
pasted over each other, and made into a continuous artifact _after_ the
actual notes are played. The lead guitar line stands out here, but IMO the
lead line has a great deal to contend with in order to make its statement.
the foundation elements should have been edited back just a tiny bit, at
least in volume. The almost haphazard introduction and re-introduction of the
guitar line becomes distracting. The focus of the piece is eventually lost.
Of course this could be deliberate, knowing Froese.
SIDE TWO
'pa701' begins real tentatively and slow, somewhat reminiscent of Klaus
Schulze. The slowly phasing sequencer also begins tentatively before it
finally gains a permanent foothold. From there it maintains the heartbeat
rhythm running through the whole piece. I really love the way the sequencer
takes the place of the lead instrument. It never gets boring since it is
constantly changing personality. There is even a break riff with a 'guest'
sequencer before the theme returns to cap the mood.
The moody 'quantas 611' is my favorite off this LP. This is quite the
emotional ambient construct. God, I wish they/he would do something like this
today. This is like a painting. I have just the place to hang it, too; right
over the hi-fi. I wouldn't even need to play music any more.
'if810' shows up on the 'Beyond The Storm' double CD and, as is commonly
the case, the original is a better rendition. It has a more seminal quality,
even though the additions from 'Tangentization' are subtle. This older
version has a more spontaneous flow, rather like a jazz riff, where one can
really 'keep up' with the music and more-or-less conspire with the solo
musician.
I'm going to shave my neck and place it on the bloody chopping block,
and say that I prefer this recording to the, obviously more popular (on this
list at least), 'Aqua'. This is not to say that I don't like 'Aqua'. Au
contraire, mon frere. I think that 'Aqua' is wonderful. I just love the
intimacy portrayed _here_. There is a love of music translated here, which
just doesn't come close to being communicated in some of the flashier albums.
This is gutsy, raw, dripping with emotion, unlike many efforts before and
since (particularly recently, where the computer consciousness has virtually
wiped out the least vestige of personality). But I'm sure that is just my
particular take on the matter.
Well, enough said for the present. Talk to ya again, soon, I hope.
Unless the blade falls.
Phil Naunton
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Subject: jim and pablo
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
dreamers
jim and pablo arrived today... (deep breath & sigh of relief) now they can
pull it, I've got mine ;-) what about you Steven?
I'm listening to it now, there are some bits of interesting music, I just
heard a smidgen of Poland (remixed of course). not a lot of music nor are
the bits very long. Of course the language is German (so now I can
practice listening! ;-)
it has 11 tracks, with maybe less than 15 minutes of music (although I
haven't yet timed it) what I have heard of the music is pretty good
(although much of it is merely background/atmospheric music). although the
closing theme (about 1+ minutes) seems quite nice.
there are some very interesting liner notes about the role of fantasy (I'll
let someone with better/native german translate) -- at least because they
are associated with a TD release. It would be nice if they were coming
from Edgar but I doubt it. And, in the illustration of Jim & Pablo and the
Professor (I assume that is who he is), the Professor looks quite similar
to one Herr Froese well known to this list.
Here is the list of the 10 (in production?) CD releases (from the back of
J&P:DM):
'Das Haus der Welt'
CD1 Der Meteor (this one)
CD2 Der Kristallspiegel
3 Das Verborgene Land
'Das Buch der Koenige'
CD4 Die Eiserne Maske
5 Die Titanic
6 Atlantis
7 Im Land der Pharaonen
8 Das Grosse Labyrinth
9 Im Feuer der Sonne
10 Der Esplanet Krypton
lars
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
dreamers
sadly I haven't had the time to participate in the d:solo discussions at
all. I'll make a brief exception for Macula Transfer since I love it so
much. (I'll add my neck to the chopping block next to Phil's). Not only
that but I love the cover art as well. Fantastic guitar work too! I
hadn't heard this in years (but still loved it) until I found a copy in
London and had the shop owner play it (ostensibly to check out the quality
of the vinyl ;-) man did it sound fantastic! Now, it's nice to have it on
CDR.... pending the real release!
I'll have to give this one a 4AS!
lars
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Subject: UK tour: the 'tournado' tour?
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
I see in a flyer from voiceprint that TD is calling the upcoming UK tour
the 'Tournado' tour! seems a little ironic considering that Tournado was a
live album from the 97 European tour.... I can't think of another tour
named after an album from a previous tour... it's one thing to name a live
album taken from a tour supporting an earlier album (ie: 220VL is from the
Rockoon tour) but quite another to name a tour from a previous live
album... I can't think of any prior examples (and I checked vitd too ;-p )
I suppose they feel they have to tour in support of their latest album ...
the 96 Bush show was the Goblin's tour, i'd guess the 97 euro tour was in
support of Oasis (sold on tour); so this UK 97 tour must be in support of
tournado... but that seems kinda twisted....
maybe it's just me?
lars
PS: why not call it the 'Meteor tour' then they can release another live
album from the UK tour called:
'Metour'...
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> PS: why not call it the 'Meteor tour' then they can release another live
> album from the UK tour called:
> 'Metour'...
This occurred to me when I first heard the name 'Tournado'...how many
cheezy puns can you think of?
Touronto
de Tour
The Au-tour (film students will get it)
Tour-ah-loor-ah-loor-ah
Tourette's Syndrome
La Tour Eiffel
Tour Turtle Doves
....and a partridge in a tangerine tree
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
> This occurred to me when I first heard the name 'Tournado'...how many
> cheezy puns can you think of?
>
> Touronto
> de Tour
> The Au-tour (film students will get it)
> Tour-ah-loor-ah-loor-ah
> Tourette's Syndrome
> La Tour Eiffel
> Tour Turtle Doves
> ....and a partridge in a tangerine tree
What about
Tour be or not to be on tour ;-)
Jens
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>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>
>I see in a flyer from voiceprint that TD is calling the upcoming UK tour
>the 'Tournado' tour! seems a little ironic considering that Tournado was a
>live album from the 97 European tour....
Yeah, bang go my hopes for new, different music on the British leg of the tour.
Maybe I should hang-off buying Tournado until after (or at) the concert, so I
don't get too familiar with what they're going to play?
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Date: Wed Oct 15, 1997 8:49
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Subject: tournado release
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Really-From: Armin Theissen
>
>>SPEAKING OF TOURNADO,
>
>The UK release date was supposed to be the 23rd Sept, but I haven't seen any i
>the stores here either. I did expect to see some, because Oasis seems to have
>had a good distribution here, appearing in all the major record stores.
>
>
Hi,
I asked at HMV in Belfast. They told me that the release of Tournado
is postponed until October 20th.
armin
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Subject: Stranded in Manchester...
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Really-From: Klaus Beschorner
Hi UK folks,
shitty flight connections will leave me stranded in a hotel
near Manchester airport tomorrow Thursday, Oct. 16. I should
arrive there around 7 pm and leave the next morning.
Wanna join me for a chat and a beer ? Then give me a call
on my mobile phone +49 171 733 8969. Leave a message with a
return number if you get my voicemail, I´ll be driving through
some poor reception areas.
See ya. Just in case, I´ll take a good book with me...
klaus
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Subject: RE: tournado release
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Really-From: 'Poulton, Larry'
I just picked up Tournado yesterday in Bromley. It had a price sticker
dated 10th Oct.
By the way, it's excellent. Can't wait for the Shepards Bush gig on the
6th!!!!
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Subject: Re: D: Macula Transfer
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Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn)
>So how the heck does somebody from a small city in the USA get their
>hands on this fabled CD release of Ages? Is Macula Transfer on CD
yet?
>
>Michael Kepler
>
>
>
Try German Music Express, I got mine today. It took around 6 weeks
to get, but the price wasn't to bad for an import, $17.12 plus $3
postage. They take credit cards. As far as I know Macula Transfer is
not available on CD, but that may change since Ages got released just
recently. I hope Virgin puts the missing Ages track on that release.
Martyn
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Subject: UK tour: the 'tournado' tour?
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Ok Sean, you asked for it :-)
Tourah (the Israel tour)
tourch songs (the easy listening tour)
toureador (the Spanish bull-ring tour)
tourii (the Japan tour)
tourment (the what-many-fans-feel-about-our-latest-music tour ;-)
tourpedo (the USO tour)
tourpid (the stoned tour)
tourpor (the we-don't-care tour)
tourque (the twisted tour)
tourrent (the rainy-season tour)
tourrid (the sahara tour)
toursion (the twisted tour, part 2)
tourso (the body love tour)
tourt (the wrong tour)
tourte (the French tour)
tourtellini (the Italian tour)
tourtilla (the mexican tour)
tourtoise (the very slow tour)
tourture (the what-many-fans-feel-about-our-latest-music tour, part 2 ;-)
tourula (the Alcoholics Anonymous tour)
tourus (the Dunkin' Doughnuts tour)
Toury (the British tour, part 2)
Thour (the Scandanavian tour)
-- oh yeah, there's
tourban (the Middle-Eastern tour)
tourbid (the obscure tour)
tourbit (the birdwatcher's dream tour, part 2)
tourbo (the supercharged tour)
tourbulent (the riotous tour)
tourd (need I spell it out?)
toureen (the soup kitchen tour; in support of the homeless no doubt)
tourf (the stadium tour)
tourgid (the pompous tour)
Tourkey (the Turkish tour)
tournip (the vegetarian tour)
tourquoise (the blues tour)
tourret (the castle tour)
tourtle (the very slow tour, part 2)
-- still more?
brontoursaur (the jurassic tour)
captour (the amnesty international tour)
centour (the Greek mythology tour)
dominatour (the S&M tour)
Lobstour (the New England tour)
Minotour (the Greek mythology tour, part 2
fetour (the what-many-fans-feel-about-our-latest-music tour, part 3 ;-)
predatour (the Schwarzenegger tour)
raptour (the bird-watcher's dream tour part 3 / the bible belt 'ture'?)
rectour (the parish tour)
rhetour (the speaking tour / the Jim and Pablo tour)
senatour (the Washington DC tour; a one-off gig)
stentor (the very loud tour)
stertour (the put-you-to-sleep tour)
vetour (the cancelled tour)
warrantour (the gauranteed tour)
OK?
lars
BTW, I find it interesting that the general release date for tournado seems
to have been pushed back so that it's new release date (oct 20) and the
release of the US version of Oasis (oct 28) all roughly coincide with the
start of the UK tour (oct 29)... Stefan, if you're listening, will there
be a tour ep released on the european tour?? what merchandise will be
sold?? thanks!
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Subject: Edgar versus the Sampler Beasts
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Really-From: Grant Middleton
Hi people,
Edgar has always spoken out against the 'staticness' of samplers,
stating that once a sound is inside a sampler, it effectively
becomes flat. 'A two-dimensional postcard from Heaven' I think
he called it.
And yet...his main keyboard in the '70s, responsible for the
sound behind such Heavenly compositions as Epsilon in Malaysian
Pale, was a sampler. Didn't matter that the sounds were stored
on analogue tape, he was still playing a sampler.
Can anyone explain this apparent discrepancy ?
Grant
NP: Konception of Space by Mind-Flux (forget Dream Mixes, this is
the real spirit of TD brought into the '90s)
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>
> I just picked up Tournado yesterday in Bromley. It had a price sticker
> dated 10th Oct.
>
> By the way, it's excellent. Can't wait for the Shepards Bush gig on the
> 6th!!!!
So you're coming to that aswell, then? I mailed to the list
a few weeks ago, asking if us list members could meet up
for a pint somewhere just before the concert...only one
reply so far. Anyone interested? Any venue suggestions?
Dennis
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>>
>> I just picked up Tournado yesterday in Bromley. It had a price sticker
>> dated 10th Oct.
>>
>> By the way, it's excellent. Can't wait for the Shepards Bush gig on the
>> 6th!!!!
>
>So you're coming to that aswell, then? I mailed to the list
>a few weeks ago, asking if us list members could meet up
>for a pint somewhere just before the concert...only one
>reply so far. Anyone interested? Any venue suggestions?
>
>Dennis
>
>
I am up for a beer before the TD gig. There are three pubs I think near the
Empire. There's a 'Moon' (JD Witherspoon), a crap Aussie pub and maybe one
other. What time to we want to meet up for a beer ?
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Date: Wed Oct 15, 1997 9:00
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Subject: Re: Edgar versus the Sampler Beasts
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** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... :
>And yet...his main keyboard in the '70s, responsible for the
>sound behind such Heavenly compositions as Epsilon in Malaysian
>Pale, was a sampler. Didn't matter that the sounds were stored
>on analogue tape, he was still playing a sampler.
>Can anyone explain this apparent discrepancy ?
No, but it won't stop me trying....
The Mellotron was indeed a sample player. However, it had an amazing
amount of memory: 8 seconds of individually recorded sound per key.
This gave it far greater quality, atmosphere etc. than even modern
sample-based instruments where memory is at a premium and loops are
used to artifically stretch things out.
Also, the Mellotron's restrictions forced the composer to be
inventive. Something today's instruments rarely impose to the same
degree. When I think of the number of albums which used that haunting
flute/strings/choir/whatever I realise that the person had to learn to
actually play and arrange his music to make the most of the
limitations of the instrument. Like a 'real' instrument then. With a
sampler, you never really 'learn' the instrument as you simply pop in
another disk. You never get so intimately acquainted with individual
samples as there is so much greater choice.
Also, the organic quality of the mellotron meant that, depending on
the state of the tape heads, the sound actually varied. Sometimes you
couldn't even get constant speed or used speed fluctuations as a
special effect.
Also, hell, Edgar got and used whatever he could get his hands on at
the time that sounded cool. He still does.
The *real* odd thing to me about Edgar's dislike of samplers is that
most of TDs recent albums that I've heard use samplers or at least
synths which are essentially sample players with filters. They use the
same static waveforms that Edgar _should_ loathe. Many TD tracks I've
heard of late just use the synth presets out of the box - just as
uncreative as using a drum loop of whatever. It's weird innit?
Did I answer anything? Course not...you didn't expect that did you?
8-))
Paul (still spaced out from Amsterdam - sorry I missed KLEM, I only
missed it by about 100 miles...)
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Subject: RE: UK tour: the 'tournado' tour?
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Ok Sean, you asked for it :-)
Tourah (the Israel tour)
tourch songs (the easy listening tour)
toureador (the Spanish bull-ring tour).....etc,etc.etc.
Lars,
I think you have a lilttle too much spare time.....=+)
Chris
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Subject: Mellotron story on NPR
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
Last night on my way home I heard a preview of a story on National
Public Radio about someone who is restoring Mellotrons, but I wasn't
able to listen to the actual story. Did anyone hear it, and could you
summarize?
Scott E. Plumer
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Subject: Shepherd Bush meeting (was Tournado release or something...)
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>Really-From: dn3
>
>
>So you're coming to that aswell, then? I mailed to the list
>a few weeks ago, asking if us list members could meet up
>for a pint somewhere just before the concert...only one
>reply so far. Anyone interested? Any venue suggestions?
>
>Dennis
I just ordered my tickets today - however, since I will be going from work
then unfortunately I'm going to be pressed for time to meet anyone in
London before the concert (even the two friends I've got to hand tickets to!)
I'm interested and my position should be clearer nearer the time...
Cheers
Alan
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Subject: info for completists
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Really-From: Michael Fox
Hi Ho Dreamers!
In rooting through some old boxes I came accross the 1989 Int'l Music
Reference Guide. Below is the info contained for TD, EF, KS (no listings
for Hass/Franke). If anyone desires info on anyone else, e-mail me off list.
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Title Format Country Label Index
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Tangerine Dream:
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ATEM CD GB JIVE CTANG-2
COLLECTION CD DE CASTLE CCSCD-161
LP(2) UK CASTLE CCSLP-161
CYCLONE CD GB VIRGIN CDV-2097
CD DE ARIOLA 610379
LP HL VIRGIN 25843
DREAM SEQ. CD GB VIRGIN CDTD-1
CD DE ARIOLA 610651
ENCORE CD GB VIRGIN CDVD-2506
CD DE ARIOLA 610374
EXIT CD GB VIRGIN CDV-2212
CD DE ARIOLA 610025
EXTRACT/POLND CD DE TELDEC 8.26099
FLASHPOINT CD GB HMR HMIXD-29
FORCE MAJEURE CD GB VIRGIN CDV-2111
CD DE ARIOLA 610371
LP HL VIRGIN 200347
HEARTBREAKERS CD DE ARIOLA 610467
HYPERBOREA CD GB VIRGIN CDV-2292
CD DE ARIOLA 610373
LP HL ARIOLA 205801
LE PARC CD DE TELDEC 8.26135
CD JP CBS/SONY 32DP-263
LP JP 28AP-3070
LOGOS CD GB VIRGIN CDV-2257
CD DE ARIOLA 610381
PERGAMON CD GB ARIOLA 257684
PHAEDRA CD GB VIRGIN CDV-2010
CD DE ARIOLA 610378
LP HL VIRGIN 87761
RICOCHET CD GB VIRGIN CDV-2044
CD DE ARIOLA 610376
LP HL VIRGIN 89679
RUBYCON CD GB VIRGIN CDV-2025
CD DE ARIOLA 610377
LP HL VIRGIN 88754
SORCERER OST LP UK MCA MCL-1646
STRATOSFEAR CD GB VIRGIN CDV-2068
CD DE ARIOLA 610372
LP HL VIRGIN 28146
TANGRAM CD GB VIRGIN CDV-2157
CD DE ARIOLA 610380
LP HL VIRGIN 202169
THIEF CD GB VIRGIN CDV-2198
CD DE ARIOLA 253472
LP HL VIRGIN 203472
TYGER CD GB JIVE CHIP-47
CD DE TELDEC 8.26475
UNDRWTR SUNLT CD GB JIVE CHIP-40
CD DE TELDEC 8.26377
WHITE EAGLE CD GB VIRGIN CDV-2226
CD DE ARIOLA 610375
LP HL VIRGIN 204563
ZEIT CD GB JIVE CTANG-3
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KLAUS SCHULZ:
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DREAMS LP UK MAGNUM THBL-039
MIRAGE LP UK MAGNUM THBL-033
ANGST LP UK MAGNUM THBL-2027
BLACK DANCE LP UK VIRGIN OVED-23
TIME WIND LP UK VIRGIN OVED-24
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EDGAR FROESE:
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SOLO(BEST OF) LP HL VIRGIN 204574
AQUA LP UK VIRGIN OVED-20
EPSILON/PALE LP UK VIRGIN OVED-22
KAMIKAZE LP UK VIRGIN OVED-125
PINNACLES LP UK VIRGIN OVED-1444
SOLO(BEST OF) LP UK VIRGIN OVED-69
STUNTMAN LP UK VIRGIN OVED-21
END OF LIST!!!!!!!
I hope there is something there you can use. The list is stictly what
imports are available to the US in 1989 and is in no means a complete list
of all material available as US domestic.
Mike
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Subject: Virgin SBM Numbers
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Really-From: 'Jim Moore'
Not having an up to date discography on hand, I'm looking
for the serial numbers (or other identifying numbers) for the
Virgin SBM releases of the following CD's (and I assume
all are European releases -- basically, I'm wanting to order
them, and I don't want to order any non-SBM's by mistake) :
Phaedra
Rubycon
Stratosfear
Cyclone
Force Majeure
Thanks to anyone who can help!
'Book burnings in 1997... Did we learn nothing from
Footloose?' -- Paula Poundstone
'jimbo@v...' is James F. Moore -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA
Visit my website @ http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo
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Date: Wed Oct 15, 1997 5:52
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Subject: Re:UK tour: the 'tournado' tour?
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>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>live album from the 97 European tour.... I can't think of another tour
>named after an album from a previous tour... it's one thing to name a liv=
>e
>album taken from a tour supporting an earlier album (ie: 220VL is from th=
>e
>Rockoon tour) but quite another to name a tour from a previous live
>album... I can't think of any prior examples (and I checked vitd too ;-p =
) =
>I suppose they feel they have to tour in support of their latest album ..=
>=2E
>the 96 Bush show was the Goblin's tour, i'd guess the 97 euro tour was in=
>support of Oasis (sold on tour); so this UK 97 tour must be in support of=
>tournado... but that seems kinda twisted.... =
>maybe it's just me?
>lars
If I am not mistaken Genesis did tour in support of their 'Three Sides Live'
album which was a live album of their previous tour (but then again I could
be mistaken, I will have to check my ticket stub when I get home).
Hasta la vista
Marcelo G.
Lars
I see in a flyer from voiceprint that TD is calling the upcoming UK tour
the 'Tournado' tour! seems a little ironic considering that Tournado was=
a
live album from the 97 European tour.... I can't think of another tour
named after an album from a previous tour... it's one thing to name a liv=
e
album taken from a tour supporting an earlier album (ie: 220VL is from th=
e
Rockoon tour) but quite another to name a tour from a previous live
album... I can't think of any prior examples (and I checked vitd too ;-p =
) =
I suppose they feel they have to tour in support of their latest album ..=
=2E
the 96 Bush show was the Goblin's tour, i'd guess the 97 euro tour was in=
support of Oasis (sold on tour); so this UK 97 tour must be in support of=
tournado... but that seems kinda twisted.... =
maybe it's just me?
lars
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
THAT IS THE QUESTION.
Howdy gang, does anyone know whatever happened to Peter Bauman? His solo work
seems much harder to get hold of (I only have Romance 76) than Frankes or
Froeses. I never hear any discussion as to what he's up to. I assume
production? I mean if Franke can find work he should have no prob either.
Anyway if yall know anything .....SPEAK UP!=)
Also the note Stefan sent was the same info on the TD site they took down.Weird
to send the same thing.I've printed up everything in the TD site and put in a 3
ring binder so that's what I use for reference, aside from all the letters I've
printed off this list. I tell ya between all the stuff you guys know and the
stuff on the site and unofficial sites I dont see the reason to buy any books
on the subject....cept for collectings sake , but I'm flat broke as it is and
my collection is miniscule(sp?)
Later alligators!
chris
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> Really-From: 'Jim Moore'
>
>
> Not having an up to date discography on hand, I'm looking
> for the serial numbers (or other identifying numbers) for the
> Virgin SBM releases of the following CD's (and I assume
> all are European releases -- basically, I'm wanting to order
> them, and I don't want to order any non-SBM's by mistake) :
>
> Phaedra
> Rubycon TAND 6 ???
> Stratosfear
> Cyclone TAND 9 ??
> Force Majeure
I´ve
TAND 1 | Tangerine Dream | Encore
TAND 2 | Tangerine Dream | White Eagle
TAND 5 | Tangerine Dream | Phaedra
TAND 7 | Tangerine Dream | Ricochet
TAND 8 | Tangerine Dream | Stratosfear
TAND 10 | Tangerine Dream | Force Majeure
TAND 11 | Tangerine Dream | Tangram
TAND 13 | Tangerine Dream | Exit
Hope this helps.
Jens
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> Quoted From: Grant Middleton
>
> Edgar has always spoken out against the 'staticness' of samplers,
> stating that once a sound is inside a sampler, it effectively
> becomes flat. 'A two-dimensional postcard from Heaven' I think
> he called it.
> And yet...his main keyboard in the '70s, responsible for the
> sound behind such Heavenly compositions as Epsilon in Malaysian
> Pale, was a sampler. Didn't matter that the sounds were stored
> on analogue tape, he was still playing a sampler.
Yes, the Mellotron is a kind of sampler... But sounds it does not
sound flat to me. So maybe it isn't really a sampler in the strictest
contemporary sense. :-/ Someone please correct me if I'm wrong in the
following statment... One of the biggest fundamental differences between
the Mellotron and modern samplers is that each note on the 'Tron is
recorded individually on each of the tapes, giving a different texture to
the sound depending on the note played; whereas a sampler takes a single
signal (say that 10 times fast!) and uses the same base info for all of the
notes played, modifying it accordingly (changing pitch, etc). If you hear
one note played on a sampler, chances are you can guess what it'll sound
like on another note. I think that's what makes a sample sound flat. That
is not the case with the 'Tron. Take the string sound for instance. When
it's played higher on the register, the strings have a smoother, sweeter
quality. When it's played lower, they have more of a growling sound.
(remember the part towards the end of Phaedra, before the playground
sounds??) My keyboard has very good 'Tron flute and strings patches, but
of course they're not as good as the real thing. The strings don't growl
on the lower notes... But I don't think it's a sample, it doesn't sound
flat like one, and I'm sure my board is not a sampler.
So maybe the 'Tron is a kind of sampler, but it's definately a different
animal compared to a modern sampler. And if Edgar is against samplers,
why has he been using them so much lately??
Dave Brewer
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In a message dated 97-10-15 13:57:41 EDT, you write:
<< If I am not mistaken Genesis did tour in support of their 'Three Sides
Live'
album which was a live album of their previous tour (but then again I could
be mistaken, I will have to check my ticket stub when I get home).
>>
they also toured in support of 'seconds out'....
tom w
np: electronic dreams (nice virgin sampler with:
etoile polaire - philip glass
kiew mission - td
airlight - k.schulze
ocean of tenderness - ashra
phase by phase - p.baumann
specific gravity of smile - froese
black garden view - franke
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taurus 1 - oldfield
lauft...heisst das es lauft oder es konnt bald...lauft - faust
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At 08:38 PM 10/14/97 -0600, you wrote:
(Stefan Stapelberg)
>
>
>Hi,
>
>no need to spread rumors about the Jim & Pablo CD. The info has
>been removed from the web site just because it is no TD CD in
>the usual sense and because it is soon to be promoted elsewhere.<<<<<
Dammit Stefan!
The boys here were just starting to get a little lather up and here you are
throwing water on it!
Thanks as always for the info!
Regardless,
Mike
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>This occurred to me when I first heard the name 'Tournado'...how many
>cheezy puns can you think of?
> Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
If they did all the older CF tunes it could be the (drumroll, if ya haven't
already figured where this is going...):
The 'Tour de Franke'
Mike
(OUCH! Hey that was a rotten tomato!...)
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Craig Cordrey wrote:
>The UK release date was supposed to be the 23rd Sept, but I haven't seen any in
>the stores here either. I did expect to see some, because Oasis seems to have
>had a good distribution here, appearing in all the major record stores.
>
It's out in the UK! Coda Music record store in Edinburgh, Scotland had a
copy on the shelves on Monday (13th October).
I had a look but didn't buy.
--
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>Subject: Re: JIM & PABLO
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:38:59 -0600
>Really-From: stefan@b... (Stefan Stapelberg)
>
>no need to spread rumors about the Jim & Pablo CD. The info has
>been removed from the web site just because it is no TD CD in
>the usual sense [. . .]
Thanks for this piece of information. I now have absolutely no
reason to buy the CDs at this time. :) (Hey, and if I *never* get
them, I won't lose sleep over it, either.)
>[. . .] It is suitable for
>school-age children between 6 - 10 years old. [. . .]
Well, that counts me out. ;)
>[. . .] This is the first of 11
>episodes which will be released initially on CD and later on CD-ROM with
>animation. [. . .]
Great! That means 11 audio CDs in German, 11 audio CDs in English,
11 CD-ROMs in German, and 11 CD-ROMs in English. That's -- all chime
in now, class -- 44 CDs, each of which has about 15 minutes each of TD
that is almost too hard to hear. Maybe these numbers (44) will shake
some of the hardcore collectors up enough to snap out of buying things
just for the sake of its being TD. I worked in a comic store when the
first BATMAN movie can out. After three weeks of hype, after clipping
my toenails one night, I put the tailnail clippings in a baggie, wrote
'Batman's Toenail Clippings, $5.00,' brought it in to the store, and
pinned it up on the wall behind the cash register. Two days later, when
I'm not there, my boss is interviewed about BATMAN hype, and there is a
straight-faced mention of the toenail clippings in the article! Horrors!
>[. . .] The narration is in the
>German language. The English version is planned for release next year.
Oh, happy day. First TOURNADO, and now JIM & PABLO. And here I
thought TD was upset that 'the critics' didn't like GOBLINS' CLUB? I
hope TD isn't surprised when these two 'winners' strike out, too. ;)
>Subject: jim and pablo
>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:41:27 -0400
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>jim and pablo arrived today... (deep breath & sigh of relief) now they
>can pull it, I've got mine ;-) what about you Steven?
No. I'm not even going to try to get one, either.
>[. . .] not a lot of music nor are the bits very long. [. . .]
>it has 11 tracks, with maybe less than 15 minutes of music [. . .]
>(although much of it is merely background/atmospheric music). [. . .]
Oooo! I can hardly wait to shell out for 44 CDs-worth of stuff
like *that*. X-0 ;) :)
Well, considering the fact that there's so little *music* in these
story CDs, I'm going to bide my time until all 44 of these suckers are
out, the market is milked, and all that remains is for TDI to release
JIM & PABLO -- MUSIC FROM THE CHILDREN'S SERIES. Sounds like a plan,
if I do say so myself.
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Dans un courrier date du 14/10/97 03:21:42 , vous avez ecrit :
> I recall seeing one on this list. I think it was typed by Mathew
> Hargreaves. The album was DEADLY CARE. The comment was 'Deadly Boring.'
> The funny thing is, I prefer DEADLY CARE to MACULA TRANSFER.
>
Yes, you (we) must admit that some (any) tracks or albums can be wonderful
for some and boring for others. These are most irrational things. Rational
things (upon which we could discuss) are : (for example) melodic lines or
sound research.
I find the sound research interesting in Macula Transfer. But I wouldn't
listen to this album every day. It's like Vangelis' 'Beaubourg' : a bit
special ; it is said in the story that Vangelis did this to leave RCA
records!
If810 is for me the best melodic track in 'macula'.
Now, two things:
I promised discussing upon klaus schulze boring albums (he did some good ones
however). it's coming.
I also promised some pics in a web page. Some scans have been made and I now
speak html, so this page is nearly ready but I haven't enough time... and I
wonder whether someone would(n't) tell me : these pics are copyrighted!
get'em off! Does any one know what's the rights?
Ciao, tangies and dreamy people.
fred
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>Really-From: 'Jim Moore'
>
>
>Not having an up to date discography on hand, I'm looking
>for the serial numbers (or other identifying numbers) for the
>Virgin SBM releases of the following CD's (and I assume
>all are European releases -- basically, I'm wanting to order
>them, and I don't want to order any non-SBM's by mistake) :
>
>Phaedra
>Rubycon
>Stratosfear
>Cyclone
>Force Majeure
>
>Thanks to anyone who can help!
>
>'Book burnings in 1997... Did we learn nothing from
>Footloose?' -- Paula Poundstone
>
>'jimbo@v...' is James F. Moore -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA
>Visit my website @ http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo
>
Phaedra TAND 5 OR UPC 724384006228
Rubycon TAND 6 724384006327
Stratosfear TAND 8 724384006525
Cyclone TAND 9 724384025120
Force Majeure TAND 10 724384025922
SBM MADE IN UK DEFINITIVE EDITIONS
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>Really-From: Paul Nagle
> >And yet...his main keyboard in the '70s, responsible for the
> >sound behind such Heavenly compositions as Epsilon in Malaysian
> >Pale, was a sampler. Didn't matter that the sounds were stored
> >on analogue tape, he was still playing a sampler.
>
> Also, the organic quality of the mellotron meant that, depending on
> the state of the tape heads, the sound actually varied. Sometimes you
> couldn't even get constant speed or used speed fluctuations as a
> special effect.
I agree with all you're saying, Paul. The fact remains though that
the very same accusations that Edgar directed towards samplers
could just as easily be used against the 'Tron. It /is/ possible
to multi-sample 8 seconds worth over a whole keyboard these days
if you really want to. Remember that Edgar made his own custom
tape sets in the '70s, which must have taken bloody ages (no pun
intended). Where there's a will, there's a way. For example,
he recorded a multi-set of Franke's Moog for use on Rubycon.
And didn't he commission the BBC to make some custom tape sets
for him ?
It's also possible to make sampled sounds far more responsive
to different playing styles these days than it ever was with
a 'Tron. Velocity sensitivity, aftertouch, modulation, pitch
bend, etc.
> The *real* odd thing to me about Edgar's dislike of samplers is that
> most of TDs recent albums that I've heard use samplers or at least
> synths which are essentially sample players with filters. They use the
> same static waveforms that Edgar _should_ loathe. Many TD tracks I've
> heard of late just use the synth presets out of the box - just as
> uncreative as using a drum loop of whatever. It's weird innit?
And indeed, for that matter, you don't get more static waves than
what comes out of an analogue oscillator, do you ? A raw analogue
oscillator sounds crap until you add modulation, stick it through
a filter, phaser, whatever. You've got to put yourself into an
instrument to get something out of it and TD just don't seem
to be doing that these days. Whatever happened to all this 'plasma
technology' and e-ball and so on, anyhow ?
Personally, I feel that Edgar is just talking out his arse
because he doesn't like mainstream equipment manufacturers.
You always got more considered appraisals of gear from Chris
and Peter.
Grant
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Hi all,
I've just got back from my holidays and find I'm missing digests
62, 63 and 64 from the 6th, 7th and 8th of October respectively.
Would someone please mail them to me.
Thanks in advance,
Lawry Simm.
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Subject: Risky Business original videotapes for sale
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
Hi Tadreamers,
I recently visited a store specialised in videotapes in my area, and found
several copies of the original Risky Business video, which were overstock.
They're released by Warner Bros. and in Hifi Stereo. There's of course a lot
of TD music, some of which is not on the soundtrack, as well as music by
other artists. The movie itself is a comedy classic !
The videotape itself is sealed and comes in a hard-cover-box with the
original inlay with credits, etc.
The only drawback is that it contains Dutch subtitles, but ABSOLUTELY NO
voice synchronisations. The sound quality is excellent and the film is in
PAL COLOUR.
The price is only 10 UK Pounds, 30 German Marks or 15 US Dollars, with only
a small addition for P&P, not more than 2 UK Pounds, 5 German Marks or 3 US
Dollars.
I can get several copies, but sold is sold and if you want this long deleted
movie, please mail me off-list.
Wouter Bessels.
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Subject: frank stephen
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Frank Stephen
I'm trying to send you mail but it keeps bouncing back.... is your server
down or can't I reply to your address? please contact me off list
thanks
lars
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In a message dated 97-10-15 12:13:48 EDT, you write:
<< I'll have to give this one a 4AS!
lars >>
Way to go. I was beginning to think I was all alone.
Phil N.
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hi friends ,
I have new swap list . If anyone desires info, e-mail me off list.
jupe@c...
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http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/
JUPE
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For the latest and greatest on God's Own Sampler, the Mellotron, check out
this Web site:
www.mellotron.com
This is the home of the Mellotron Archives, which, some of you may remember,
was the site that I spammed y'all with about two weeks ago. There is a great
write up on the workings of the 'Tron, the various samples that are
available for the beast (yes, each note was individually recorded by some of
the virtuosos of the day (early '60's) and a boatload of other classic,
vintage keyboards.
And each 'Tron had its own little quirks (I.E. the 'Tron intro to Genesis'
'Watcher Of The Skies' was composed to take advantage of the chords that
sounded good on Banks' 'Tron). I have read a lot of performers ding the
samplers for being a 'stale' sound, unlike a good ol' analog synth that may
never quite sound the same way twice...
Have fun!
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Subject: Re: jim and pablo - still possible to order
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Really-From: 'Peter Ravn'
Hi
You can still order 'Jim & Pablo' online at least at oct. 16. 97 1pm
GMT.
Just type in: http://www.vprint.demon.co.uk/tadream/meteorcd.htm
and see the track list then click 'order now' and that will get you at
http://www.vprint.demon.co.uk/tadream/cdorder/meteorder.htm
On the main order page is it possible to read the following (by View
Source in Netscape):
The line 'REMOVED DUE TO CONFUSE-ED-NESS CAUSERY' is the most
interesting. This CD must be a sort of mystery....
Best regards
Peter Ravn
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Subject: Baumann
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
He released something like four or five albums, the last two with
vocals... The biggest project I know of was the founding of Private
Music... The lastest project was a collaboration with Paul Haslinger,
called the Blue Room, which was never officially released...
Anyone else care to add to this?
Mike J
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Subject: Haslinger
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
I just started viewing Planetary Traveler...
Yet another new direction in sound...
Anybody else care to TRY to describe it?
MJ
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At 12:02 PM 10/15/1997 -0400, Scott wrote:
>Last night on my way home I heard a preview of a story on National
>Public Radio about someone who is restoring Mellotrons, but I wasn't
>able to listen to the actual story. Did anyone hear it, and could you
>summarize?
Basically, they said that the Mellotron was a marvelous invention
that revolutionized music as we knew it. It was difficult to
play, it was inconsistent in performance, and it demanded a great
deal of effort on the part of the composer/artist. They commented
on the fact that today's digitized machines are easier to play,
require less training, and are rather 'plastiky' in sounds,
because you can make perfect sounds all the time and repeat them
as many times as you want them.
They also discussed the fact that there is a resurgence in
interest, especially among rock bands who want to attain a 'Moody
Blues'-like sound.
Old mellotrons are being dug up from amazing places (e.g. chicken
barns) and some outfit is making a mint rebuilding them and
making them fully functional. Prices have gone up, from the
original $1800, to $10,000 or more. Supply and demand.
If anyone is interested I will try to find the archive for the full text.
Andrew
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Perhaps this has been asked already, but is the music on this series of CD's
new, original material, or is it just rehashes of music already available?
Lawry Simm
PS. On the subject of favourite TD soundtracks, for me it has to be Sorcerer
with Near Dark (am I the only one?) a very close second.
I'm still trying to get hold of Wavelength, Deadly Care and Heartbreakers
so they weren't considered (am I missing much?).
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>
>PS. On the subject of favourite TD soundtracks, for me it has to be Sorcerer
>with Near Dark (am I the only one?) a very close second.
>I'm still trying to get hold of Wavelength, Deadly Care and Heartbreakers
>so they weren't considered (am I missing much?).
>
Wavelength is a great soundtrack in my opinion (in my top 3 strks by TD).
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Hello, Friends!
You'll now find many new additions to our Sonic Images page at
. Christopher Franke's Babylon 5
soundtracks have been a tremendous success, so much so that fans of his and
fans of the series have been demanding soundtracks for specific episodes!
While Volumes 1 & 2 are full length CD's, with extracts from various shows
comprising new compositions, each of these episodic CD's contains music from
a single show in its entire length. Cues play chronologically as aired with
an average total time of 30 minutes. These are available at a lower price
of $10.99 each. Those episodes currently available are Severed Dreams, A
Late Delivery from Avalon, Walkabout, Shadow Dancing and Z'Ha'Dum. You'll
find six more releases for Sonic Images sister label, Earthtones, at the
same page. Earthtones is dedicated to world music. The latest releases by
Primitive Instinct, Stonecoat, Celtic Forest, Nocy, Vox Mundi and the Spirit
of the Daughters of Mary encompass the music of Peru, Native Americans,
Celtic, Flamenco and even Gregorian Chant. Well worth your investigation.
Stonecoat is surprisingly electronic and reminds me a little of Deep Forest.
As most of you can probably tell, I'm not really fond of the major labels.
Let's face it, the major labels are not in it for the music. They are in it
for the money. They function like any other major corporate office. And
the way for them to get the most that they can is to cater to the lowest
common denominator in the music tastes of the public. Of course, if you
keep putting out crap, the public is eventually going to get sick of it.
And that has happened. Most people who work in the industry consider 1996
to have been one of the worst years for the music business in a long time.
So what have the majors learned from this experience? Absolutely nothing!
If anything, they have only further entrenched themselves in their old
habits. Major labels aren't looking for new talent as much as they're
looking to steal established artists away from the other labels. I don't
think 1997 is going to be much better of a year for the music industry.
While I don't really care a great deal what happens to the majors, it's
unrealistic to think it doesn't have a negative impact on the independents
as well. When the majors suffer, the distributors suffer. And when the
distributors suffer, that pain is passed right on down the line. As a case
in point, let's take a look at the distributor, INDI. A couple months ago
INDI was declaring Chapter 11 for restructuring. That meant they were in
financial dire straits. Well the restructuring didn't last too long as INDI
is now in the process of shutting down. This is certainly bad news for the
hundreds of independent labels they distributed. Not only do they have to
scramble to find a new distributor, but when a business just closes up shop
like that, they usually do so owing lots of money to lots of people. And
often that money is never recovered. To a small label, such an event can
mean serious trouble.
As it so happens, three of the labels in The Artist Shop were distributed by
INDI in the U.S. Those were Discipline Global Mobile, Sonic Images and One
Way Records. Now I don't mean to cause a panic by suggesting that the
demise of INDI will result in the downfall of any of these three labels.
All three are organized well enough to rebound from this incident. As far
as I know, all three already have alternate distribution in place. But I'm
willing to bet that all three got a fairly nasty sting from this incident.
I guess the bottom line in all this is that your appreciation and support of
independent labels is more important now than ever before. And I would
request that if you're a fan of DGM, Sonic Images or One Way, that now would
be a great time to show them that support. Remember, the money you spend on
them today is an investment in the future output of the music you love.
Thanks,
Gary
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I have the CD OCTAHEDRON which contains music by Paul Haslinger. Was
this ever an official release?
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> I am up for a beer before the TD gig. There are three pubs I think near the
> Empire. There's a 'Moon' (JD Witherspoon), a crap Aussie pub and maybe one
> other. What time to we want to meet up for a beer ?
>
The ironic thing is, really, that I don't know yet when the
concert starts (which is because I haven't received my
tickets yet). It's good, however, to find someone who knows
the pubs around the Bush, for a start. Given your
description, I suppose the Wetherspoon's would be the
better choice. Depending on the distance from there to the
Shepherd's Bush Empire and the time for the beginning of
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early evening (open invitation). We could confirm the
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>>
>> I am up for a beer before the TD gig. There are three pubs I think near the
>> Empire. There's a 'Moon' (JD Witherspoon), a crap Aussie pub and maybe one
>> other. What time to we want to meet up for a beer ?
>>
>
>The ironic thing is, really, that I don't know yet when the
>concert starts (which is because I haven't received my
>tickets yet). It's good, however, to find someone who knows
>the pubs around the Bush, for a start. Given your
>description, I suppose the Wetherspoon's would be the
>better choice. Depending on the distance from there to the
>Shepherd's Bush Empire and the time for the beginning of
>the concert, we could meet up there in the late afternoon/
>early evening (open invitation). We could confirm the
>details later.
>
>Cheers. - Dennis
>
>
As far as I can tell from my ticket, it starts at 7.30, with doors opening
at 7pm. Last time, they started dead-on at 7.30.
I am up for the Witherspoon's pub, but it all depends if I can leave work
early. If I don't we could all meet up in there afterwards.
What do you think ?
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Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm)
PS. On the subject of favourite TD soundtracks, for me it has to be Sorcerer
with Near Dark (am I the only one?) a very close second.
I'm still trying to get hold of Wavelength, Deadly Care and Heartbreakers
so they weren't considered (am I missing much?).
I like Near Dark too; but Miracle Mile is much better in a similar vein.
If you haven't heard Heartbreakers, you're missing one of the best
soundtracks that represents TD's strong versatility and verve. The track
'Desire' on this soundtrack is superb, in my opinion.
Wavelength and Deadly Care also are worth a place in the collection; they
are much more subdued and thematic than the others mentioned above.
Go get Heartbreakers!
Roger Smith
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Really-From: Neal McAuley
You wrote:
>I have the CD OCTAHEDRON which contains music by Paul Haslinger. Was
>this ever an official release?
I believe this CD was a computer show giveaway item. It was sponsored by
Microtech (the drive manufacturer). I own a copy and I don't remember
buying it but I do remember going to lots of computer trade shows and I'm
in the computer business.
Neal :-)
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Subject: RE: RE: tournado release
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> >> I am up for a beer before the TD gig. There are three pubs I think
> near the
>
I'm up for a beer before the gig too. Unfortunately, I'll be
drinking mine in Cleveland. :-)
Scott
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
>Old mellotrons are being dug up from amazing places (e.g. chicken
>barns) and some outfit is making a mint rebuilding them and
>making them fully functional. Prices have gone up, from the
>original $1800, to $10,000 or more. Supply and demand.
>
>If anyone is interested I will try to find the archive for the full text.
If anyone has got an old Tron kept away somewhere,
please don't hesitate to contact me.
Let's see how many react! (probably 0)
Marcel
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>
> > >> I am up for a beer before the TD gig. There are three pubs I think
> > near the
> >
> I'm up for a beer before the gig too. Unfortunately, I'll be
> drinking mine in Cleveland. :-)
>
> Scott
Drinking will impair your perception of the concert! Don't drink and TD!
Maybe it's a bummer on my part.. gee whiz.. only 18! That's okay, cuz I
think it's quite 'midified' and really, the 'performing' is on the
guitarist's and drummer's part..
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Subject: Recommended Soundtracks
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>Subject: Re: missing much?
>Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 14:10:46 -0500
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>Really-From: 'Roger Smith'
>
>>Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm)
>>
>>PS. On the subject of favourite TD soundtracks, for me it has to be
>>Sorcerer with Near Dark (am I the only one?) a very close second. I'm
>>still trying to get hold of Wavelength, Deadly Care and Heartbreakers
>>so they weren't considered (am I missing much?).
Uh, yeah. ;)
>I like Near Dark too; but Miracle Mile is much better in a similar vein.
?!?! These two don't really compare. I would have to agree that,
all in all, MIRACLE MILE is 'better' than NEAR DARK, though. ;)
>If you haven't heard Heartbreakers, you're missing one of the best
>soundtracks that represents TD's strong versatility and verve. The track
>'Desire' on this soundtrack is superb, in my opinion.
Yessiree, 'Desire' *is* one of TD's best, IMHO.
>Wavelength and Deadly Care also are worth a place in the collection; they
>are much more subdued and thematic than the others mentioned above.
Wow, but it sure is odd to hear WAVELENGTH and DEADLY CARE uttered in
the same sentence! ;) WAVELENGTH is a real smorgasbord, and is really
quite dynamic. DEADLY CARE is indeed subdued, although hardly dynamic. I
would compare DEADLY CARE to RUMPELSTILTSKIN: low-key, stately, quasi-
classical, understated, depressing even.
>Go get Heartbreakers!
Especially get HEARTBREAKERS if you like LE PARC. These two albums
go together in much the same way the following pairs go together:
o PHAEDRA and AQUA
o RUBYCON and EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE
o STRATOSFEAR and MACULA TRANSFER
o HYPERBOREA and PINNACLES
o WAVELENGTH and KAMIKAZE 1989
Sigh, I guess I should confess that my fave TD soundtracks are -- in
order of preference, from top-fave to lesser-fave: THE PARK IS MINE,
HEARTBREAKERS, WAVELENGTH, FIRESTARTER, BABYLON 5, DEAD SOLID PERFECT,
CANYON DREAMS, OASIS, KAMIKAZE 1989, and then MIRACLE MILE.
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
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Subject: Mark Filipak
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Hi, All,
Since I don't think there are any majorly unbalanced individuals on
this list, I think it's safe for me (and Mark) to type out Mark's phone
number here--seeing as he can't contact us--whereas many of us would like
to contact him, if only to wish him well:
Mark Filipak
333 Cobalt Way, Suite 107
Sunnvale, CA 94086
(408) 267-1131
As for his address, well . . . Mark includes it in all his e-mails,
so it's not like I'm revealing out something that he doesn't.
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Subject: Froese's 'Ages'
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Hi all,
I saw a copy of Ages today while browsing through Sam the Record Man in
downtown Toronto and I came across this album. It is a new Virgin
re-release copyright 1978,1997 but it was imported from England (I think).
It has Edgar's face on the cover. It is listed at $28 Canadian
How does this album compare to others he has done ? Should I grab it ?
Steve Quinney
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Subject: Re: Risky Business original videotapes for sale
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>Hi Tadreamers,
>
>I recently visited a store specialised in videotapes in my area, and found
>several copies of the original Risky Business video, which were overstock.
>They're released by Warner Bros. and in Hifi Stereo. There's of course a lot
>of TD music, some of which is not on the soundtrack, as well as music by
>other artists. The movie itself is a comedy classic !
>
>The videotape itself is sealed and comes in a hard-cover-box with the
>original inlay with credits, etc.
>The only drawback is that it contains Dutch subtitles, but ABSOLUTELY NO
>voice synchronisations. The sound quality is excellent and the film is in
>PAL COLOUR.
>
>The price is only 10 UK Pounds, 30 German Marks or 15 US Dollars, with only
>a small addition for P&P, not more than 2 UK Pounds, 5 German Marks or 3 US
>Dollars.
>
>I can get several copies, but sold is sold and if you want this long deleted
>movie, please mail me off-list.
>
>Wouter Bessels.
For fans of this movie who live in the Toronto area, this video is
available at Sam's ,HMV and Tower for around $12-16. Looks like a new
re-release.
Steve Quinney
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Tour be or not tour be... (: ^-)
I have a feeling we'll be pondering this question for the next week.
While we are on the subject of questions, I have one. I have recently
learned that TD has done the tracks for some 64 movies. I know of about 15.
Does anyone have a list? Thanks. Dell
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>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
>Last night on my way home I heard a preview of a story on National
>Public Radio about someone who is restoring Mellotrons, but I wasn't
>able to listen to the actual story. Did anyone hear it, and could you
>summarize?
>
>Scott E. Plumer
I haven't but try www.npr.org
ought to have something....
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In a message dated 97-10-16 02:14:27 EDT, you write:
<< I find the sound research interesting in Macula Transfer. But I wouldn't
listen to this album every day. It's like Vangelis' 'Beaubourg' : a bit
special ; it is said in the story that Vangelis did this to leave RCA
records!
If810 is for me the best melodic track in 'macula'.
Now, two things:
I promised discussing upon klaus schulze boring albums (he did some good
ones
however). it's coming.
>>
Should be interesting, but I wholeheartedly disagree. 'Beaubourg'
IMO is a masterpiece. When it was new for me, I listened to this almost
constantly for months. I still pull it out occasionally when I'm in the mood
for some inspiration. While it is true, it may have been a bit of a joke,
Vangelis could probably be recorded putting away the dinner dishes and be
respected for the musical aspects therein. He really is hard put to do
wrong.
In a similar vein, Klaus Schultz is a master of the kind of music
he produces. While one could easily say that his music has no real universal
appeal, he is consistent, imaginative, truthful to his ideals, competent, and
thoroughly enjoyable, from my perspective. 'Boring' would never, ever be the
word _I_ would use to describe his recordings. I often pick one of his albums
at random, from anywhere within his catalog, play it through, and amaze
myself at his unusual capabilities. While, as with most artists, he has weak
and strong works, even the weak ones have their place of fame. The best
albums, though, transcend the models of most modern music and become instead
masterworks of bio-mechanical interface, to make up a phrase appropriate to
the music style.
Phil Naunton
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>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>live album from the 97 European tour.... I can't think of another tour
>named after an album from a previous tour... it's one thing to name a liv=
>e
>album taken from a tour supporting an earlier album (ie: 220VL is from th=
>e
>Rockoon tour) but quite another to name a tour from a previous live
>album... I can't think of any prior examples (and I checked vitd too ;-p =
) =
>I suppose they feel they have to tour in support of their latest album ..=
>=2E
>the 96 Bush show was the Goblin's tour, i'd guess the 97 euro tour was in=
>support of Oasis (sold on tour); so this UK 97 tour must be in support of=
>tournado... but that seems kinda twisted.... =
>maybe it's just me?
>lars
If I am not mistaken Genesis did tour in support of their 'Three Sides Live'
album which was a live album of their previous tour (but then again I could
be mistaken, I will have to check my ticket stub when I get home).
Hasta la vista
Marcelo G.
Lars
I see in a flyer from voiceprint that TD is calling the upcoming UK tour
the 'Tournado' tour! seems a little ironic considering that Tournado was=
a
live album from the 97 European tour.... I can't think of another tour
named after an album from a previous tour... it's one thing to name a liv=
e
album taken from a tour supporting an earlier album (ie: 220VL is from th=
e
Rockoon tour) but quite another to name a tour from a previous live
album... I can't think of any prior examples (and I checked vitd too ;-p =
) =
I suppose they feel they have to tour in support of their latest album ..=
=2E
the 96 Bush show was the Goblin's tour, i'd guess the 97 euro tour was in=
support of Oasis (sold on tour); so this UK 97 tour must be in support of=
tournado... but that seems kinda twisted.... =
maybe it's just me?
lars
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Greetings,
Rented the video 'Planetary Traveler' (computer animation, i.e. minds
eye) a few days ago and enjoyed the music (synths). Read in the paper
yesterday that Paul Haslinger did the score, what a surprise! If this
information is indeed correct, I'll have to purchase the video.
Neil
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Subject: new Babylon 5 cd's available
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We now have blocks of all five recently released Babylon 5 episode cd's
available at Super Collector for only $50. If you want to order any you
can do it by calling 1-800-99-sci-fi or emailing
supercollector@s... Also a small footnote. Apparently
because of the fact that all these cd's look the same on the top (hence
you can't tell the episodes apart by flipping through them in the
typical waterfall display) they are changing the covers so you
collectors out there hop on it if ya want any. Also, my good buddy Vic
tells me they forgot a track on one of them so that will also be
replaced with the fixed version.
rock on,
Dano
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Anyone on this list into A.S.F.? (Alien Sex Fiend?? I believe) I just have
a computer game (Inferno) that has music tracks done by them. Although they
are technoish/rockish, I like the spacey background textures, exotic
sounds, and strong taste in percussion, sequencers, and beats-- along with
having a sorta thoughback analog brass synth which I love. It reminds me of
what TD could be today--I really like the imagination in this music.
Greg...
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>
>PS. On the subject of favourite TD soundtracks, for me it has to be Sorcerer
>with Near Dark (am I the only one?) a very close second.
>I'm still trying to get hold of Wavelength, Deadly Care and Heartbreakers
>so they weren't considered (am I missing much?).
>
>
I agree - Sorcerer and Near Dark belong to my most often played
Soundtracks (together with Firestarter).
Wavelength is cool too, but I don't like it that much.
Deadly Care - you're not missing anything.
Heartbreakers - some cool, and some crappy pop pieces. But the track
'Desire' is a *must*.
armin
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> In a similar vein, Klaus Schultz is a master of the kind of music
>he produces. While one could easily say that his music has no real universal
>appeal, he is consistent, imaginative, truthful to his ideals, competent, and
>thoroughly enjoyable, from my perspective. 'Boring' would never, ever be the
>word _I_ would use to describe his recordings. I often pick one of his albums
>at random, from anywhere within his catalog, play it through, and amaze
>myself at his unusual capabilities. While, as with most artists, he has weak
>and strong works, even the weak ones have their place of fame. The best
>albums, though, transcend the models of most modern music and become instead
>masterworks of bio-mechanical interface, to make up a phrase appropriate to
>the music style.
I totally agree with your comment Phil :-)
Actually I am very surprised that I've only seen a few comments posted on
his 'Jubilee Edition' 25CD set.
Vic
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
I msut admit total bafflement at all these recommendations of
soundtracks. Certainly there are many that are very good (Sorceror,
Wavelength & Miracle Mile) but there is one, IMHO, that is far superior
to all the others and may be the greatest film soundtrack of all time,
IMHO:
Thief.
Scott
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On Oct 17, 8:52am, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Re: Re : Re: D:Macula Transfer
> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
(...)
>
>
> Actually I am very surprised that I've only seen a few comments posted on
> his 'Jubilee Edition' 25CD set.
There are a few reasons for that:
1- commenting on something as massive as 25 CD is not really an obvious
proposition. We're talking about more than one full day of non-stop music,
here.
2- I would assume that not that many people got the Jubilee Edition. Let's
face
it: some people do say that TD's production is hard and costly to keep up with.
Now, the Jubilee Edition was not that widely distributed, and it would cost
more than a pretty penny.
If someone doesn't know Schultz work, buying 25 CD on faith alone is unlikely.
Then, if someone appreciate the guy's work, then one may face the prospect of
wanting to get all of his work (how many CD's has Schultz put out so far,
counting them as units, i.e. the Jubilee counting for 25? I would think nearly
50, right?) I have a few Klaus Schultz CD's myself, and I really enjoy his
work. But getting all of his stuff? This may be too costly to get hooked on
just yet, so I end up kinda avoiding him... My loss I am sure.
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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> While we are on the subject of questions, I have one. I
have recently
>learned that TD has done the tracks for some 64 movies. I know
of about 15.
>Does anyone have a list? Thanks. Dell
I think it may be time for a FAQ entry on this one. Here's a
fairly comprehensive list, from my book (I left out the articles so I
could sort the list):
Body Body
Canyon Dreams - video
Catch Me if You Can
City of Shadows (AKA Nightmare City)
Dead Solid Perfect
Deadly Care
Destination Berlin
Ein Fuer Alle Mal
Firestarter
Flashpoint
Forbidden
Future War 198X
Game of Love (AKA Tonight's the Night)
Geradeaus Bis Zum Morgen - their first soundtrack effort, for German TV
Heartbreakers
Highway to Hell
Identification of a Woman
Kamikaze
Kamikaze 1989 - Ed solo
Keep
Kneuss
Legend
Man Inside
Memphis PD: War on the Streets
Miracle Mile
Most Dangerous Game - Ed solo
Near Dark
Never Shoot the Bathroom Man - Ed solo, from 1967
Ninja
Oasis - video
Oedpius Tyrannus - a play, actually
Park is Mine
Rainbow Drive
Red Heat
Red Nights
Risky Business
Shy People
Soldier
Sorceror
Spasms
Strange Behavior (AKA Dead Kids)
Switch
Thief
Three O'clock High
Three Phase
Time For Heroes (music from the Special Olympics, not really a ST)
Video Dream Mixes
Visionquest
Wavelength
Zoning
That's 50 total.
I'm sure there are more. They've also done music for US TV's
'Streethawk' show, and for German TV's 'Tatort' show. Some of those on
the above list were unautorized uses, and one list member has reported
hearing TD in a porno movie. There are also several films scored by
Franke, and I seem to remember Schmoelling and Baumann doing soundtracks
as well, but I may be mistaken, and it's not in my book.
Scott
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Really-From: Vic Rek
From what I can tell, I think the missing/blank track in question from the
Franke Babylon series is track #16 titled 'The Truth' from the disc 'A Late
Delivery from Avalon'.
This track is on the CD, but is blank. Well almost. Actually there is some
noise recorded from the 1:08 to 1:14 mark.
Can anyone confirm this issue?
Vic
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Whatever happened with the TD concert in Poland that was supposed to be
broadcast in the fall???
MJ
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>Actually I am very surprised that I've only seen a few comments posted on
his 'Jubilee Edition' 25CD set.
>Vic
It's cuz I have to pay the rent and bills!!!!On the subject of soundtracks how
about all the John Carpenter soundtracks Tang has done? I mean he might as well
have had them score them he apes them so much. On the 'real' ST they have done
I gotta ssay I'm partial to FIRESTARTER and CATCH ME IF YOU CAN. Great driving
music.
Chris
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Hi gang,
I got my copy of Tournado today from my local Our Price store for 13.49 pounds.
When it came out though, I don't know as I've been on holidaight. No doubt
it'll be released again in a couple of months with a bonus
track :-(
Lawry
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Subject: Re:Stranded in Manchester
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Hi Klaus...
I only read your message today... ( :-( ) I was only 10 minutes away
in Altrincham. Maybe I'll catch you next time should you ever be unfortunate
enough to be stranded in Manchester again! :-)
Lawry
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Please contact me privately about MPEG3's.
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Subject: New UK tour info/Tournado
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Really-From: stefan@b... (Stefan Stapelberg)
Hi,
here are the latest news for the upcoming UK tour as published on the
web site. And to answer Lars' recent question about the Tournado CD:
Tournado was indeed released by TDI as planned, there was no delay.
Have a nice weekend!
Stefan
MEET THE BAND!
If some of you want to meet the band in person, look for local announcements
for their autograph sessions at various UK Virgin/Ourprice stores. The sessions
will be starting arounf 3 pm in most cities on the day of the band's concert
in that city. So clear your stocks of unsigned material and come on over to
Mr. Branson's mega-slots to meet Edgar, Jerome, Zlatco and Emil.
ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE
The 2 sets of the concerts will be slightly different from the gigs some
of you attented during TD's performance in spring on the European continent.
Some compositions you know very well from the TD catalogue will be performed
for the first time live during the approximate 3 hours of TD's performance
(20-30 min. interval after the first set).
MERCHANDISE
As far as the merchandise front is concerned, you'll have more than one
reason to save some bucks for your shopping spree before the gig starts,
during the 20 minute break after the show. Apart from the usual T-shirts and
other memorabilias, the fans will have the chance to buy the following CD's:
Tournado The live cut, record in Europe 97
The Keep A few pre-sale copies will be on sale (official release: Jan
98)
Oasis The high acclaimed US soundtrack
TimeSquare Dream Mixes II - start of pre-sales (official release: Feb
98)
Ambient monkeys In huge demand: the pre-concert music and sounds - strange
stuff!
World Tour Edition There are just a few copies left from this limited
Maxi-edition
THE WINNER IS ...?
The next competition is nearly ready to put up on the web. There will be a
vault to open up with seven questions - wait and enjoy the chance of dancing
with polar bears on the pole.
--
Stefan Stapelberg Fon: +49-9352-89948 RENT-A-GURU (TM)
Fax: +49-9352-89949 P.O. Box 1358
http://www.netstore.de/ D-97803 Lohr/Main
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In a message dated 97-10-17 08:59:05 EDT, you write:
<< Actually I am very surprised that I've only seen a few comments posted on
his 'Jubilee Edition' 25CD set. >>
its just so awesomely overwhelming....
tom w
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Grant Middleton
>
>
> Hi people,
>
> Edgar has always spoken out against the 'staticness' of samplers,
> stating that once a sound is inside a sampler, it effectively
> becomes flat. 'A two-dimensional postcard from Heaven' I think
> he called it.
>
> And yet...his main keyboard in the '70s, responsible for the
> sound behind such Heavenly compositions as Epsilon in Malaysian
> Pale, was a sampler. Didn't matter that the sounds were stored
> on analogue tape, he was still playing a sampler.
Actually, I thought Edgar did a rather creditable job of evoking the
Mellotron string sound with the string patch he used on 'Cedar Breaks'
from _Oasis_. There are a few times here where the breaks between
notes sound almost exactly like they would on a 'Tron.
> Can anyone explain this apparent discrepancy ?
Well he is not quite the synth/sequencer genius that Chris is/was, but he
wanted something ostensibly electronic and manipulable as such?
(Although by the time _Stuntman_ rolled around he did get the synth thing
quite downpat IMO).
> Grant
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In a message dated 97-10-17 09:32:12 EDT, you write:
<< counting them as units, i.e. the Jubilee counting for 25? I would think
nearly
50, right?) I have a few Klaus Schultz CD's myself, and I really enjoy his
work. But >>
alot more...the silver edition had 10, the historic had 10, and the jubilee
as u point out has 25...then i can think of 5 that he put out in the last 2
years alone, so theres ur fifty to 1995 working backwards...i think hes
closing in on the 75 mark myself....
tom w
sp - floyd - division bell remixes....
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Subject: D: Macula Transfer
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
A few years back I tried to make a case for relating each of Edgar's solo
albums to a particular painting style. I thought, at the time, that
considering his art background this wasn't too unreasonable.
If I remember correctly, it went something like this:
(although in hindsight some of them don't hold up too well):
Aqua: surrealist
Epsilon: impressionist
Macula Transfer: expressionist
something Phil N. said about this--about it being intensely personal,
internal, and reflective of Edgar's emotion--seems to confirm this choice
in my mind. Also, consider that a lot of expressionist art is darkly
themed and not overtly pretty to look at, something which could describe
most of _Macula Transfer_ pretty well.
Ages--minimalist
Stuntman--Futurist? Pop/Op art?
Kamikaze 1989--avant-garde abstract (but it really has elements of all
styles listed here, therefore, post-modern?)
Pinnacles--another tough choice...pointillist/impressionist? (due to
extensive use of iridescent timbres and 'pointed', almost staccato
sequencers).
Anyway, on to talking about _Macula_ a bit:
Is Edgar being sacrilegious here? I swear I can hear something that
sounds (to me) a whole lot like 'Jesu's gone to hell' in 'AF ___'
(Anyone ever tried playing it backwards?)
The year I first heard this album was also the same year I finally read
'Lord of The Rings'. And to me, 'qantas 611' evoked Mordor
*PERFECTLY*. Not to start another synchronicity thing, but I can't think of
any other piece of music that, through texture alone, so successfully
conveys a darkness so thick that it stifles, and retards thought and
movement. With those bass trombone-like irruptions near the end, one can
almost picture Sauron himself waking up to an afternoon stroll around his
domain.
Doesn't that sequencer line from 'pa 701' sound like a possible ancestor
of 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks'? And that rhythm guitar line that underpins
it I recognize from a more recent TD piece...is that it appearing again
in 'Birdwatcher's Dream' from _ToB_?
And, considering Edgar is first and foremost a guitarist, I'm really
surprised he never did more pieces like 'os 452'. This is a real
lazy-hazy-summer-day piece, yet tense and unsettling. Picture Ed sitting
on his front porch, strumming away with not a care in the world, all
while watching an approaching, menacing storm front. And he never used
guitar overdubs and effects like this ever again (except in the remixed
version)--producing a sequencer like effect not unlike that in 'Rubycon
pt. II'. If only he'd spend some quality time with a VG8...
oh well
Gabe
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Subject: soundtracks (released or not)
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Really-From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?José?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fernández?
TANGERINE DREAM SOUNDTRACKS
NOT RELEASED:
By alphabetic ordre:
1. 'Body Body'
2. 'Burning Point Brooklin'
3. 'Das Verbotene Spiel'
4. 'Dead Kids'
Nueva Zelanda, 1981. Directed by Michael Lauglin.
(AKA 'Strange Behavior' and 'Small Town Massacre'.)
5. 'Death Bite'
1982. Director William Fruet. AKA 'Spams'.
6. 'Ein Fuer Alle Mal'
7. 'Forbidden'
1985. TV. Directed by Anthony Page.
In 1998 official release.
8. 'Fury, The'
9. 'Future War 198X'
10. 'Geradeaus Bis Zum Morgen'
German TV.
11. 'Heisser Schnee'
12. 'Highway To Hell'
1991. Directed by Ale de Jong.
13. 'Identification Of A Woman'
Francia / Italia, 1982. Directed by Michelangelo Antonioni.
14. 'Keep, The'
USA, 1983. Directed by Michael Mann. In 1984 Virgin only in Germany
200/300 copies.
In 1998 official release.
15. 'Kneuss'
1978. Directed by Gaudenz Meili.
16. 'Mechanic Thunder'
17. 'Memphis PD: War On The Streets'
USA, 1996. TV. Directed by Vince DiPensio & Bill Guttentag.
18. 'Nightmare City'
AKA 'City Of Shadows'.
19. 'Ninja'
20. 'Oedipus Tyranius'
June, 1974. 'Overture' from TV 'V'.
21. 'Rainbow'
1989. Directed by Ken Russell.
22. 'Rainbow Drive'
USA, 1990. TV. Directed by Bobby Roth.
23. 'Red Heat'
Alemania / USA 1985. Directed by Robert Collector.
In 1998 official release.
24. 'Red Nights'
25. 1987. Directed by Izhak Hanooka.
In 1998 official release.
26. 'Soldier, The'
USA, 1982. Directed by James Glickenhaus.
AKA 'Codename: Soldier'.
27. 'Switch, The'
USA, 1993. TV. Directed by Bobby Roth.
28. 'Tonight's The Night'
USA, 1987. TV. Directed by Bobby Roth.
AKA 'Game Of Love'.
29. 'Vampira'
30. 'Vegetable People Soundtrack'
31. 'Vision Quest'
1985. Directed by Harold Becker.
AKA 'Crazy For You'.
Music of Tangerine Dream in film but not in soundtrack.
RELEASED:
By date of release (not date of the film):
1. Sorcerer (1977)
2. Thief (1981)
3. Wavelength (1983)
4. Risky Business (1984)
5. Firestarter (1984)
6. Flashpoint (1984)
7. Heartbreakers (1984)
8. Legend (1985)
9. Near Dark (1987)
10. Three O'Clock High (1987)
11. Shy People (1987)
12. Miracle Mile (1989)
13. Destination Berlin (1989)
14. Dead Solid Perfect (1990)
15. The Man Inside (1991)
16. Canyon Dreams (1991)
17. The Park Is Mine (1991)
18. Rumpelstiltskin (1991)
19. Deadly Care (1992)
20. Catch Me If You Can (1994)
21. Zoning (1996)
22. Oasis (1997)
23. Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor (1997)
SINGLES TV
1. Die Melodie Aus Dem Gleichnamigen Tatort (1982, Single 12', TV)
2. Madchen Auf Der Treppe / Katja (1982, Single 7', TV)
3. Daydream / Moorland (1983, Single 7', TV)
4. Streethawk (1985, Single 12', TV)
5. Streethawk (Radio Remix) (1985, Single 12', TV)
6. I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You (1991, CD Single 5', TV)
VIDEOS
1. Canyon Dreams (1987)
2. Three Phase (1993)
3. The Video Dream Mixes 1996 (1997)
4. Oasis (1997)
31 + 23 + 6 + 4 = 64
Sorry for my english!
José Fernández
Spain
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Subject: RE: TD Broadcast
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>Whatever happened with the TD concert in Poland that was
supposed to be
>broadcast in the fall???
It was. Some of us even have tapes of it. :-)
It was only a portion of the first set, with an introduction by
(correct me if I'm wrong) the same guy who introduced their Warsaw shows
in '83. Ed & Jerome also do radio promos at the beginning. A nice little
curiousity, but only 60 min.
Scott
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Subject: Help from you UK lucky fans!!
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Really-From: Claude Roy
Hi all,
Is there someone willing to buy me a copy of The Keep and
Time Square at one of the Uk TD concerts. Please let me know via
personnal mail. If you go to the Colston Hall in Bristol or Ryal concert
hall in Nottingham, and willing to help it would be great since these
pre-release cds will go fast!!.
Claude Roy
Longueuil, Qc Canada
Sites internet/Internet web pages
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http://pages.infinit.net/ozzz/cin/cinbienv.htm (Cinema/movies)
http://pages.infinit.net/ozzz/gci/gcimain.htm (Genie civil/Civil engineering)
http://pages.infinit.net/ozzz/tennis/tennis.htm (Tennis)
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Subject: Ouch
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Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm)
Well, after taking the best part of two working days (hope my boss doesn't
see this!) getting through a fortnight's worth of digests, all I can say is
'OUCH'.
That was some serious flaming I missed whilst I was away. (The first major
one since I joined up). I'm glad you guys are all chums again. I thought
a couple of you were going to start getting the nukes out!
Anyway... RE: Soundtracks. Okay, I think you've managed to convince me
(the easy part) to get my hands on (the hard part) Wavelength and
Heartbreakers. Anyone know of a stockist. I remember way back in '85ish
when I was only 14 going to the record store with my hard saved pocket money
and having to choose between Le Parc and Heartbreakers. I choose Le Parc
and I've _never_ seen Heartbreakers since. :-( (Copies of Le Parc are still
two-a-penny over here at fairs.)
Did you guys catch that bit on the mail from Stefan about the presale copies of
The Keep?!
Can't wait until the 4th (Manchester Apollo). Obviously, I'll let you poor
guys in the US know all about it on the 5th. (Providing I manage to get one
of course).
Finally, for today at least, I said that I would provide certain list members
with copies of the cover for a cookie :-) I acquired. I haven't forgotten
about that guys, I've just been a bit bogged down. I'll sort you out sometime
next week all things going well.
Keep dreaming,
Lawry
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Subject: Re: Recommended Soundtracks
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
Hi Tadreamers,
A lot of recommended soundtracks have been named, but I missed a couple of
others which I think are also very good in both performance and 'mood'.
They are:
THIEF and SHY PEOPLE
WHY THIEF ??? Well, if you have seen the movie, you will notice that the
music fits in very well, though not all of the soundtrack has been used in
the film. Most of the music in the film are parts of 'Diamond Diary'. But
the music itself is really cool and especially the Beach Theme with Chris
Franke's real drums is a highlight. Parts of Force Majeure are also
apparent, but the movie contains a bit of 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks' which
isn't on the CD.
WHY SHY PEOPLE ??? Just like the Tyger-album, this is a controversial record
according many TD fans. My opinion is that the vocals are quite good in
resembling the tragic mood of the movie. Also, a track like 'Dancing on a
White Moon' really has a nice melodic tune but ends after a mere 3 minutes.
OK, a lot of you shall say: Is this the REAL TD ???? For this kind of
movie...yes I think they did a great job. The title track in the movie
features different vocals than on the CD, by the way.
Also I must notice 'Three O'clock High', which I think contains nice ideas,
but none of them are really working as part of a soundtrack.
Any comments on my views ???
Wouter.
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Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
On Oct 17, 6:19pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Re: Recommended Soundtracks
> Really-From: Wouter Bessels
>
>
> Hi Tadreamers,
>
(...)
> THIEF and SHY PEOPLE
>
> WHY THIEF ??? Well, if you have seen the movie, you will notice that the
> music fits in very well, though not all of the soundtrack has been used in
> the film. Most of the music in the film are parts of 'Diamond Diary'. But
> the music itself is really cool and especially the Beach Theme with Chris
> Franke's real drums is a highlight. Parts of Force Majeure are also
> apparent, but the movie contains a bit of 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks' which
> isn't on the CD.
>
(..)
>
> Any comments on my views ???
>
> Wouter.
>
Well, there is a track on the Thief CD that is strongly reminescent of
'Thru Metamorphic Rocks'. Unless you mean that there is, additonnally to this
track, another bit in the film that is actually a part of 'Thru Metamorphic
Rocks'??? (but that would not have put on the CD, as it would have been too
similar)
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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Subject: More help from lucky UK fans
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
That's fan _in_ the UK, not fans of the band UK, or fans of the real UK.
I'd like to get a tour t-shirt from the UK tour, but apparently no Yanks
are going to the UK to see 'em, I'll offer this to any Brits (or anyone
else) going: I'll trade a copy of my book (and maybe a couple of other
things), sent air mail, for a t-shirt,. Please contact me off-list.
Scott E. Plumer
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Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Meeting
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>
> As far as I can tell from my ticket, it starts at 7.30, with doors opening
> at 7pm. Last time, they started dead-on at 7.30.
> I am up for the Witherspoon's pub, but it all depends if I can leave work
> early. If I don't we could all meet up in there afterwards.
>
> What do you think ?
>
> James
I received my tickets yesterday, and I can confirm that the
doors open at 7, with the concert itself beginning at 7.30.
If I can find the Wetherspoon's, I'll be there from about
five onwards. As for meeting up in the pub after the
concert; if they start at 7.30 and play a three-hour set
plus a 30-minute break, they won't be finished until 11,
when the pub closes. Is there a bar in the Empire itself
where we could all meet up?
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Subject: Catch me if you can (TD OST)
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Really-From: Rainer Rutka
If we're all talking about TD soundtracks: What do you think
about 'Catch me if you can'. IMHO it is one of the best. Short
pieces - but nice ;-)
Rainer
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Subject: Re: Mellotron story on NPR
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Really-From: Michael Fox
>If anyone has got an old Tron kept away somewhere,
>please don't hesitate to contact me.
>
>Let's see how many react! (probably 0)
>
>Marcel
>Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm
>Email :fsp@p...
Hi Marcel,
discussed this with Grant sometime back. I thought I had it all up and
running, only to find a few more bugs. BTW-the guts on this thing remind me
of the electrical wiring on any Italian car! What a mess! So, I'm still
working on it from time to time and, no, I don't want to get rid of it.
Whenever I get it working, I can send you the sound samples if you like
(made the same offer to Grunt). THis thing weighs a bloody ton!
Mike
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Subject: Re: Recommended Soundtracks
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Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson)
Speaking of the THIEF soundtrack, anyone who has access to a laserdisc
player should watch the directors cut version of that, in particular the
secondary audio tracks that contain narration by Micheal Mann (director)
and listen to his comments about the TD music.
THIEF has my vote for best TD sountrack, though there are many runners
up!
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Really-From: Dave Brewer
I think I'll jump in... I agree with a lot of people here in saying Thief
is one of their best, along with Wavelength, Firestarter, Near Dark, and
Canyon Dreams. But I haven't noticed Legend getting mentioned much. That
one's got to be my absolute favorite. I was soooooo happy when that
finally got released on CD! The day I got back from a backpacking trip, I
learned about it coming out, immediately ran out and bought it. (I think
it was the exact day it was scheduled to be released) It was almost like
finding the holy grail. (but I don't keep it on a pedastal surrounded by
candles or anything! :-) ) It was also great getting to hear the album
without the pops and crackles that were present on both of my cassette
copies. I think I'll put this disc on when I get home!
Dave Brewer
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Subject: Michael Mann's Comments on the THIEF Soundtrack
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: Re: Recommended Soundtracks
>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:31:03 -0700
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson)
>
>Speaking of the THIEF soundtrack, anyone who has access to a laserdisc
>player should watch the directors cut version of that, [. . .]
I've got the videotape.
>[. . .] in particular the
>secondary audio tracks that contain narration by Micheal Mann (director)
>and listen to his comments about the TD music.
Care to transcribe them?
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Re: Haslinger
At 09:41 199710.16 -0700, you wrote:
>Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson)
>I have the CD OCTAHEDRON which contains music by Paul Haslinger. Was
>this ever an official release?
No. Promotional Only.
'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road.
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Subject: Re: A.S.F. ??
At 22:17 199710.16 -0700, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>Anyone on this list into A.S.F.? (Alien Sex Fiend?? I believe) I just have
Alien Sex Fiend. I gotta couple of CDs. Now that you mention it.....if Ed
used vocals and developed it more, probably might sound like Nik, Mrs Fiend
& Johnny HaHa
'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road.
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In a message dated 97-10-17 08:59:05 EDT, you write:
<< Actually I am very surprised that I've only seen a few comments posted on
his 'Jubilee Edition' 25CD set.
Vic >>
Cost containment has a major contribution to the lack of comments
on my part.
Phil
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I happen to be listening to Near Dark right now and though it is not my
favorite soundtrack, it IS very good, very innovative. You would be missing a
great deal not to have both Wavelength and Heartbreakers in your collection.
I agree that Desire is one of the most beautiful pieces TD has written for
soundtrack and it is only one of many on that album that are excellent if you
discount Twilight Painter. Wavelength seems to incorporate a lot of sounds
used in longer, better albums, but Campfire Theme is another pretty melody. I
have only selected tracks from Deadly Care put out by Silva on the Dream
Music album: both The Hospital and Clean and Sober are very good so I wish I
could find the album. If you find it let me know. I have been looking a long
time.
My favorite track album, however, is Thief; again, if you find it, let
me know so I can buy it before you do. 8-) Dell
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To: Phil Naunton: I have been debating buying The Dome Event album by KS.
Would you recommend it? And why? Keep in mind that I am not a musician, so I
may not hear what you hear. However, I have the 72-93 album and love the
piece of the Dome Event that is on that. Is the rest of the album as
delirious? Dell
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Many thanks, Scott. I will be on the lookout for those movies in the
video stores and TV. Dell
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Chris: I do not understand the reference to John Carpenter. 'Starman'
is one of my all time often replayed favorite movies. Do you mean TD did the
soundtrack to that? No wonder I like it! However, it does not give them
credit for it. Dell
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what a time to get backed up in my work ;-(
>MEET THE BAND!
--sigh, and this time i'm stuck in the US... so what about that North
American tour guys?!
>ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE
>The 2 sets of the concerts will be slightly different [...]
>Some compositions you know very well from the TD catalogue will be
performed
>for the first time live during the approximate 3 hours of TD's performance
-- this sounds intriguing; I'm hoping they'll play 'cloudburst flight' live
-- has it ever been played live?? I told Jerome that I'd like to see him
take on this piece... it is one of the fans' favs and given the current
retro approach of TD, it is certainly possible. Be sure you folks have
fresh batteries and enough media!!!!
what other unplayed tunes would you folks like to see them tackle live??
this is a tough question... considering they call themselves a rehearsal
band, tons of their stuff has been played live in one form or another...
it's just the studio versions that haven't been played as much? or are we
talking soundtrack material here? or are we talking recent midi-fied
material? I for one am not expecting them to whip out quichotte part 2,
while edgar plays the long guitar solo....
>MERCHANDISE
>the fans will have the chance to buy the following CD's:
oh goody :-) more music! less money. are any prices available?
is anyone here going to bristol or nottingham? if so, please contact me
off list. thanks!
> Ambient monkeys In huge demand: the pre-concert music and sounds -
strange stuff!
-- is this by TD? and what is the exact title? AMIHD?
lars
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>Really-From: PNaunton@a...
><< Actually I am very surprised that I've only seen a few comments posted on
> his 'Jubilee Edition' 25CD set.
>
> Vic >>
>
> Cost containment has a major contribution to the lack of comments
>on my part.
>
>Phil
OK guys (and ladies), I've got the hint!
Three comments today relating to the price of the set? Yes, about $350!!! I
started a year in advance to plan for this purchase. So I can't say I just
saw it and forked out the cash - sorry, this hobby costs more than SCUBA
diving :-)
But, I have to say, that if you can afford to purchase this or have a friend
that can tape this for you - JUST DO IT! As you mellow as the years go by,
you will see that Klaus' music will transcend our decade, Generation 'X',
the year 2000 ('bug'), and our complex lives...
You just have to listen to this music or I'll just have to say 'shame on you'!
Vic
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Well done. Your English speaks to me just fine. Thank you. Dell
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On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> >MEET THE BAND!
> --sigh, and this time i'm stuck in the US... so what about that North
> American tour guys?!
If I were in your place Lars, I just don't know what I'd say to them,
besides the Wayne-and-Garth thing.
> >ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE
> >The 2 sets of the concerts will be slightly different [...]
> >Some compositions you know very well from the TD catalogue will be
> performed
> >for the first time live during the approximate 3 hours of TD's performance
> -- this sounds intriguing; I'm hoping they'll play 'cloudburst flight' live
> -- has it ever been played live?? I told Jerome that I'd like to see him
> take on this piece... it is one of the fans' favs and given the current
> retro approach of TD, it is certainly possible. Be sure you folks have
> fresh batteries and enough media!!!!
Be careful what you wish for Lars--with Jerome you might get Cloudburst
Flight (The Flaming Nimbus Mix). Or something.
I think they might play some of the Tangents remixes live...
I would love to hear 'Monolight'(Yellow Part) at one of their shows.
> what other unplayed tunes would you folks like to see them tackle live??
> this is a tough question... considering they call themselves a rehearsal
> band, tons of their stuff has been played live in one form or another...
> it's just the studio versions that haven't been played as much? or are we
> talking soundtrack material here? or are we talking recent midi-fied
> material? I for one am not expecting them to whip out quichotte part 2,
> while edgar plays the long guitar solo....
would 'Charly The Kid' go over well live you think?
Gabe
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On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: AOutland@a...
>
>
> Chris: I do not understand the reference to John Carpenter. 'Starman'
> is one of my all time often replayed favorite movies. Do you mean TD did the
> soundtrack to that? No wonder I like it! However, it does not give them
> credit for it. Dell
I think Carpenter does all his own soundtracks. Apparently he borrows
heavily from TD's style.
Gabe
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
At 02:04 18-10-97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: Claude Roy
>
>Hi all,
>
>Is there someone willing to buy me a copy of The Keep and
>Time Square at one of the Uk TD concerts. Please let me know via
>personnal mail. If you go to the Colston Hall in Bristol or Ryal concert
>hall in Nottingham, and willing to help it would be great since these
>pre-release cds will go fast!!.
>
>
Hi Tadreamers,
Sorry to say that I also can't go to the UK to see TD, but I also like to
have The Keep, Time Square and that CD with Ambient noises/sounds (can't
remember the name at this moment).
So if you could buy them for me I would be very grateful !!!!
If you could buy them for me, please contact me off-list.
Wouter. (e-mail: int1217@m...)
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> Ambient monkeys In huge demand: the pre-concert music and sounds -
strange stuff!
-- is this by TD? and what is the exact title? AMIHD?
oh wait! I think it's AMIHD:TPCMAS!
???
Isn't this the 'experiment' that was talked about on the TD page regarding
a TD trip to the orient(?) and a cult movie soundtrack?
lars
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Subject: off-topic. Delete it! --- TO JOSÉ FERNÁNDEZ
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> Really-From: ÿso-8859-1?Q?José?ÿ?iso-8859-1?Q?_?ÿ?iso-8859-> 1?Q?Fernández?
> Sorry for my english!
> José Fernández
> Spain
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>> >ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE
[...]
>>I'm hoping they'll play 'cloudburst flight' live
>>[...] I told Jerome that I'd like to see him
>> take on this piece... it is one of the fans' favs
>Be careful what you wish for Lars--with Jerome you might get Cloudburst
>Flight (The Flaming Nimbus Mix). Or something.
-- I'd take it and be quite pleased. I'll always have the original (and
the CD and the SBM....)--so why not something new? I certainly
think--after Stratosfear 95 which Jerome told me is mostly his work--that
Jerome is fully capable of taking on this piece and doing a masterful remix
as long as he leaves the guitar in... (so, you jerome bashers: phhpppttt
:-p ) Jerome, buddy, are you listening? ;-)
lars
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Subject: Jeromes MIx o Rama
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I gotta admit I too am a DREAM MIXES fan. It's probably my most often played
tangerine album . I was looking forward to TOWARDS THE EVENING STAR remix for
this reason , so imagine my disapointment. I think most of us agree that the
remix was a failure? I hope Jerome pushes forward with the new direction and
heres to em for it!
Chris
p.s. Now if Edgar could talk him into a ZEIT remix.........
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Hi Guys,
My reference was indeed meant as a joke. Although Dell, Starman is one of the
few soundtracks Carpenter did not do for his films (although as pointed out
earlier in the week, he stole the ending from WAVELENGTH). I have all of
Carpenters soundtracks (cept for Prince of Darkness) and I gotta admit he DOES
INDEED take most of his themes or cues from tangerine tracks.He does indeed
borrow HEAVILY.
Still i do admit being the synthesizer fan I am I still enjoy the albums.
If you guys are also into similiar tunes-try the ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK or THEY
LIVE soundtracks.Silva also offers a compilation of his themes called THE MUSIC
FROM THE FILMS OF JOHN CARPENTER but has musician Daniel Caine performing the
tracks. It includes the Starman theme , and Bad to the Bone as an instrumental
But these are not Carpenter compositions.
Keep Tangin'
Chris
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On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: AOutland@a...
>
>
> Chris: I do not understand the reference to John Carpenter. 'Starman'
> is one of my all time often replayed favorite movies. Do you mean TD did the
> soundtrack to that? No wonder I like it! However, it does not give them
> credit for it. Dell
I think Carpenter does all his own soundtracks. Apparently he borrows
heavily from TD's style.
Gabe
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Subject: another plea for the UK
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Howdy o lucky fans who live outside the USA. While we may have Mcdonalds and
Burger Kings on every corner and the 24 hour drive thru pharmacy, you get the
greatest band in the world!!!
This is of course in reference to the UK tour. If anyone could find it in their
heart to mail me off list, I would like to make a desparate plea for
merchandise from the concert. A t-shirt , the new Keep cd , maybe some ambient
monkeys......
Please help, I may just be forced to move to the UK this winter! =(
Chris
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PS
Lars , how do you keep talking to Jerome?You have a key to the PRIVATE ROOM
don't you?=+)
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Subject: Jubilee Edition
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Vic wrote:
>Actually I am very surprised that I've only seen a few comments posted on
>his 'Jubilee Edition' 25CD set.
>
>Vic
Sure, this is a fantastic set, but it is being discussed on the
'space-music' list
(although very sporadically). It seems that the new 'Dark Side of the Moog #6
has generated a few posts. Great CD by the way. People seem to be either hot
or cold in regard to liking his music with very few in the luke-warm category.
Count me as 'Hot as Hell!'
Oscar Dean
NP: Klaus Schulze - Jubilee Edition CD #25
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Date: Sat Oct 18, 1997 10:14
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Subject: Re: D: Macula Transfer
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Really-From: 'K.E'
A while ago someone were talking about what Macula Transfer actually
means and a lot of different ideas was put on the table.
Well, yesterday I read in the newspaper that a danish mountain-climber
had died in the Himalayas while trying to climp a certain Mount Macula.
Kent
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Subject: Goldtri Digest now operative
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Really-From: Elana who?
OK folks... now that Goltri is getting some major life into it, it's
warrented more than enough traffic to warrant a digest version of the
list.
If you want to join, email: majordomo@a...
You WILL be subscribed within a day or so, I've actually gotten more
efficient lately. :)
For new folks: GoldTri covered the musical territory bounded by these
three golden points: Progressive, Instrumental and Electronic. (This
also happens to spell PIE by coincidence, which is good because it make it
delicious and easy to remember. :)
ANYway... basically, there are lots of artists out there whose works are
reminicent of TD's classic period, and they are doing extremely good music
now and *deserve* to be talked about... except you really can't talk about
it them very extensively on Tadream without getting off-topic. You can on
GoldTri, because that is the focus.
For more info, surf the GoldTri web site (actually there are two, but they
are linked to each other) www.aracnet.com/~elana/goldtri.html
See ya on Goldtri! :)
-E.
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>> >ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE
[...]
>>I'm hoping they'll play 'cloudburst flight' live
>>[...] I told Jerome that I'd like to see him
>> take on this piece... it is one of the fans' favs
>Be careful what you wish for Lars--with Jerome you might get Cloudburst
>Flight (The Flaming Nimbus Mix). Or something.
-- I'd take it and be quite pleased. I'll always have the original (and
the CD and the SBM....)--so why not something new? I certainly
think--after Stratosfear 95 which Jerome told me is mostly his work--that
Jerome is fully capable of taking on this piece and doing a masterful remix
as long as he leaves the guitar in... (so, you jerome bashers: phhpppttt
:-p ) Jerome, buddy, are you listening? ;-)
lars
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I love Jerome's work.. especially on Goblin's Club and The Dream Mixes. I
absolutely can't get enough of 'Virtuality Fields'! Since it's my fav on
the album and Jerome names his page after the song, I'm not worried about
the direction that TD will go in the future!
Greg...
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Date: Sat Oct 18, 1997 7:07
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Subject: FW: John Carpenter soundtracks
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From: KRAUSENECKS
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 1997 9:24 AM
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Subject: RE: John Carpenter soundtracks
Hi Guys,
My reference was indeed meant as a joke. Although Dell, Starman is one of the
few soundtracks Carpenter did not do for his films (although as pointed out
earlier in the week, he stole the ending from WAVELENGTH). I have all of
Carpenters soundtracks (cept for Prince of Darkness) and I gotta admit he DOES
INDEED take most of his themes or cues from tangerine tracks.He does indeed
borrow HEAVILY.
Still i do admit being the synthesizer fan I am I still enjoy the albums.
If you guys are also into similiar tunes-try the ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK or THEY
LIVE soundtracks.Silva also offers a compilation of his themes called THE MUSIC
FROM THE FILMS OF JOHN CARPENTER but has musician Daniel Caine performing the
tracks. It includes the Starman theme , and Bad to the Bone as an instrumental
But these are not Carpenter compositions.
Keep Tangin'
Chris
NP-Adam and Eve
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: AOutland@a...
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>
> Chris: I do not understand the reference to John Carpenter. 'Starman'
> is one of my all time often replayed favorite movies. Do you mean TD did the
> soundtrack to that? No wonder I like it! However, it does not give them
> credit for it. Dell
I think Carpenter does all his own soundtracks. Apparently he borrows
heavily from TD's style.
Gabe
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Subject: No Td: Lp,Cd and cassette Auction
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Hey guys!! I'm Auctioning off these albums to whoever wants them. Contact me
off list at TangerineC@a... if you would like to make a bid. This auction
will end on Saturday November 1. That's approx. 2 weeks.
All Cd's and Lp's are a $5 minimum bid. Cassettes are a set sale. Updates and
winners will be notified by e-mail. E-mail me at TangerineC@a... for any
track listings or questions.
Cd's-
Coca-Cola Music Sampler Volume2- (featuring Elton John, Rod Stewart, Keith
Sweat, Tevin Campbell, Anita Baker, Randy Travis)
Celestial Navigations (a new age cd with voiceovers telling a
story.Interesting.)
Irving Burgie- Island in The Sun (Guitarist plays island music)
Lp's-
Annie-(Promotional copy,soundtrack to the movie)
Duran Duran- 7 and the Ragged Tiger
Breakfast Club(the 80's group, not soundtrack.)
Yes- The Yes Album
Zabriske Point(Soundtrack,with music of Pink Floyd and Grateful Dead)
Your a Big Boy Now(Soundtrack with music by the Lovin' Spoonful)
Pink Floyd- Dark Side of the Moon(re-issue)
Pink Floyd- Atom Heart Mother
Stevie Wonder- Alfie
The Doors- Soft Parade
The Moody Blues- Every Good Boy Deserves Favour(Original issue, not
shrinkwrapped but never played)
Moody Blues- Seventh Sojourn(Original issue)
Moody Blues- On the Threshold of a Dream(re-issue)
Moody Blues- Other Side of Life(Original issue still sealed!)
Moody Blues-To Our Childrens Childrens Children(Original issue)
Moody Blues- In Search Of the lost Chord(Original Issue)
Donovan- A Gift From A Flower To A Garden( 2 LP re-issue, still sealed!)
Donovan- Hurdy Gurdy Man(Original issue)
Donovan- Barabajagal(re-issue, without cover)
Donovan- Greatest Hits(some cover wear,Lp near mint)
Donovan-Mellow Yellow(In mono!!! Cover Wear,writing)
Dion and the Belmonts- Everything you Wanted to Hear By....
Dion and the Belmonts-Greatest Hits
Led Zeppelin- IV (Still Sealed!!!)
Art Garfunkel- Watermark
The Beatles- Revolver
The Beatles- Yellow Submarine
The Beatles- Rubber Soul(original Mono! Cover Wear,scuff marks but plays
fine)
The Beatles- Hard Days Night(soundtrack)(original Mono! Cover Wear,scuff
marks,ticks and pops, but plays fine)
The Beatles- Beatles '65(original Mono! Cover Wear,scuff marks,ticks and
pops, but plays fine)
The Beatles- Second Album(original Mono! Cover Wear,scuff marks,ticks and
pops, but plays fine)
New Edition- First album
Chet Atkins-The Other Chet Atkins(cover wear)
Chet Atkins- Finger Style Guitar(Mono!)
Chet Atkins- At Home(Mono!)
Chet Atkins- 3Dimensions(Cover wear)
Chet Atkins- In Focus
Chet Atkins- Carribean Guitar
Al Caiola- Guitars, Guitars, Guitars(Cover wear)
Jerry Murads Harmonicats- Cherry Pink(cover wear)
Johnny Cole- Dreams Of Italy(cover wear)
Johnny Smith Foursome-Volume 2(Cover wear)
Tommy Garrett- 50 Guitars Go South Of The Border(Cover wear)
Nat King Cole- Lets Face The Music(Mono! Record in perfect condition!)
Stars On- Stars on Long Play cover Rolling Stones hits on side one. Side 2
covers the hits of Stevie Wonder.
Mountain- Best of... (cover wear,record scuffed but plays fine.)
Soft Guitars-Mr. Guitar and Mr.'Y'
Les Paul and Mary Ford- Lovers Luau
Los Indios Tabajaras- Song of the Islands
Los Indios Tabajaras- Always In My Heart
Los Indios Tabajaras-Casually Classic
Ed Townsend- New In Town
Andre Kostelantez- Wonderland of Sound
Dean Martin- Greatest Hits
Ray Coniff- Say It With Music
Ray Coniff Singers- Somebody Loves Me
Frank Sinatra- Come Dance With Me
Return To Forever- Live
HoneySuckle Rose- 2 Lp Soundtrack by Willie Nelson(Still Sealed! $10 min Bid)
Percy Faith- Music Of Brazil
Percy Faith-Jealousy
Disciple- Disciple( metal band)
Trini Lopez- Latin Album
Trini Lopez- At Pj's
Freddy Gardner- Saxophone Star
David Carrol- Latin Percussion
Jerry Vale- Time Alone Will Tell
Chicago- Greatest Hits (original)
45 RPM Records
Cassettes-
(all cassettes are $2 a piece)
Robert Plant- Pictures At Eleven
Led Zeppelin-Song Remains The Same(2 tapes, soundtrack to movie) $4
Led Zeppelin- In Through the Out Door
Led Zeppelin-Presence(No Cover)
Led Zeppelin- II
Donovan- Greatest Hits(No Cover)
Donovan- For Little Ones
Phantom Of The Paradise(Rock Soundtrack)
The Who- Greatest Hits
Jimi Hendrix- Smash Hits
Beatles- Hey Jude
Pocket Songs: You sing the Hits of....( These Cassette tapes are Kareoke
tapes that come with a song sheet so you can sing along with your favorite
hits.Side one of each tape has the comlplete version of the song,Side2 has
the same songs without vocals.)
Pocket song sampler(with music of Elvis,Sinatra,Vanilla Ice,Paula
Abdul,Bonnie Raitt,Bette Midler)
Frank Sinatra
The Four Tops
Sly and the Family Stone
Elvis
The Beatles
Billy Joel
The Beach Boys
Christmas Favorites
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Subject: Here It Is !!
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Date: Sun Oct 19, 1997 3:13
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Subject: London Show Tix Availability?
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Really-From: Fausto Montoya
Hi,
Does any one have an opinion about whether the tickets for the London
concert will run out quickly? I'm wondering how much time left do I have
to pick them, because I will not know if I will finally be able to make it
to London till a couple of days before the concert.
I know that tickets do run out in London when well know bands are
playing, but would that happen with TD?
Thanks,
Juan
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Date: Sun Oct 19, 1997 2:45
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Subject: Re: Catch me if you can (TD OST)
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Really-From: AOutland@a...
This album has some excellent tracks on it. My favorite is 'The Clock is
Ticking' which sounds just like somebody tinkering with a motor: bom bom ba
bom ba bom ba donk donk. The shortness of the tracks makes it an excellent
filler for those last few moments left over on a tape you're recording.
While I'm here, let me ask an ignorant question. I'm not used to
computerese shorthand yet. What does IMO and IMHO mean? Dell
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Date: Sun Oct 19, 1997 3:21
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Subject: Re: Recommended Soundtracks
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THIEF is to die for. Would like to see the movie some day.
SHY PEOPLE was a good movie, not much music used in it; would like to
know how TD gets stuck with the absolute worst singers in this world.
THREE O'CLOCK HIGH was mediocre as a movie, but has some of the best
music in it by someone other than TD. Sorry, but TD was really reined in on
this one and left with only short bits and pieces.
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Date: Sun Oct 19, 1997 4:12
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Subject: Re: Klaus Schultze
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In a message dated 97-10-17 22:03:07 EDT, you write:
<< To: Phil Naunton: I have been debating buying The Dome Event album by
KS.
Would you recommend it? And why? Keep in mind that I am not a musician, so I
may not hear what you hear. However, I have the 72-93 album and love the
piece of the Dome Event that is on that. Is the rest of the album as
delirious? Dell >>
What is the name of the piece on '72-93'? I'll give you a
relational perspective, if you like.
Phil Naunton
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Date: Sun Oct 19, 1997 4:27
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Subject: Re: Catch me if you can (TD OST)
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Really-From: jinsuk Kim
Dell Wrote:
> While I'm here, let me ask an ignorant question. I'm not used to
>computerese shorthand yet. What does IMO and IMHO mean? Dell
>
>
IMO: In My Opinion
IMHO: In My Humble Opinion
Hope this helps :-)
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Date: Sun Oct 19, 1997 4:42
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Subject: Re: Klaus Schultze
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Really-From: AOutland@a...
The name of the piece is 'The Dome Event (live)'. It is almost 13
minutes long. I do not know how KS kept up such a frenzied pace for so long
since just listening to it leaves me breathless. However, someone else
emailed me and said the rest of the album is more cosmic using sounds without
structure and choral voices. This may be similar to Phaedra which is not my
favorite TD sound. The question is moot at this point since I just bought
Tangents for an early Christmas present and will not have the funds for
anything else for awhile. And when I do get the money it will go to the
January TD releases planned, not KS. No one else is better than TD! Dell
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Date: Sun Oct 19, 1997 5:27
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Subject: Re: Catch me if you can (TD OST)
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Thanks, guy! IMHO you are a big help! Dell
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: Near Dark and others: don't just listen -- watch
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Really-From: Winston Edmond
To me, Near Dark is an example of a soundtrack that can only fully be
appreciated after having seen the movie. That the music can evoke an
anticipation of how the approaching roar of the Sun at dawn feels, or
an almost tangible sense of Mae's character -- these are not things I would
ever have gotten from the music alone.
Canyon Dreams is a soundtrack I would have thought fairly uninteresting
were it not for memorable scenes like one of the flowing river where the
rapid notes were *perfectly* synchronized to the random twinkling of the Sun
off the water (possibly aided by the stopped-frame motion enhancement). I
also find the music for the flight above the canyon to be quite good at
evoking both a sense of flying and memories of the flight scenes.
Thief? It's precision, as were the plans of the thieves and the logic
of the situation James Caan got himself into.
Then again, maybe I'm just impressionable. :-) I liked Phil Collins'
'In The Air Tonight' much more after Risky Business, and 'Love On a Real
Train' just isn't the same to me if it doesn't have the simulated track
clacks at the end.
My point is just: if you think a soundtrack is uninteresting, try
watching the movie it came from before giving up on it.
-WBE
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
At 02:00 19-10-97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: AOutland@a...
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> SHY PEOPLE was a good movie, not much music used in it; would like to
>know how TD gets stuck with the absolute worst singers in this world.
Yes, IMO, the singer on Shy People is some kind of bad or 2nd hand Tina
Turner with some troubles with her voice: she tries to imitate her heroin
(Tina Turner) but she's not coming that far at all. Good choice that they
left that out of the movie !!
Cheeeeeeeeeers, Wouter.
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Date: Sat Oct 18, 1997 11:47
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Subject: RE: Klaus Schultze
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Really-From: Michael Richard
Hello there!
> favorite TD sound. The question is moot at this point since I just bought
> Tangents for an early Christmas present and will not have the funds for
> anything else for awhile. And when I do get the money it will go to the
> January TD releases planned, not KS. No one else is better than TD!
It's just a question of taste. Have you listened KS's Floating, Mental Door,
Ludwig II Von Bayern...? Really good songs! But we can't compare KS to
TD because I think Klaus Schulze is more spacial and Tangerine Dream are
more on-earth. Personally, I can't tell you what I prefer between Floating and
Coldwater Canyon.
See ya!
:) Michael (:
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Date: Sun Oct 19, 1997 1:11
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Subject: Is there anybody out there...?
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Really-From: Tom Coppens
Hi everyone,
Remember all of you thought Ash's idea of a sampler CD at a low price was a
good idea, well at KLEM last week, Ash had the CD ready (even after they had
been lost in the mail first). Here's a track by track review all of course
in my very humble opinion.
Is there anybody out there...?
Paul Lawler, Dead Roads
This is a gentle and laidback piece from one of the newcomers on the Centaur
label (he's got one CD out called 'Bronx Age') The track develops quite
nicely over the almost seven minutes, but there aren't too many big surprises.
Redshift, Ether (excerpt)
Oh my god !! This is pure magic from the first seconds onwards and showcases a
tremendously powerful Redshift. Glorious sequencerlines, wailing guitar and
all you could ask for. If this is the future of the past, it looks good.
Ashok Prema, Dancing Dust
Yes, for you who didn't know: Ash makes his own music. The track title is
for once a good indication of the music. Soft and swirling, slightly
melancholic, with a lot of acoustic sounds (guitar, piano, flute) in the
first half, it transforms into a more electronic affair towards the end.
Very nice melody
David Wright, Sygyzy
Not what you might expect from David Wright. This track is quite soft-rock
influenced: meaning a distinct drumtrack, some e-guitar and some keyboards
on top. Also some samples. Not really my style, but I guess if you like this
sort of music it's for you. I'd recommend his absolutely stunning work with
Code Indigo however.
T-Bass UK, Nemesis (Live)
Soft flowing music with sax, that tells you about everything and nothing
;-). It reminded me of some of the later TD work and also of the band Peru.
It works though, as this track has a slow evolving feel about it, ie it
doesn't bore you as some other music in this style might.
AirSculpture, Krell Metal
If you don't know AirSculpture, they're usually mentioned along the lines of
RMI and Redshift, but in my opinion they really don't have that much in
common with late 70's TD and co. Okay they use sequencers, but for the rest
I'd say that these gentlemen have completely succeeded in creating a style,
or at least a sound, of their own. This track has that same stamp on it and
is nice to have, although I don't consider it their best yet (which is
normal of course, but I
wouldn' t want you to get the wrong impression from one track 8-) )
Paul Ward, 10175
Heavily drum based, with a quirky loop. More into the 'power'department.
Could use a bit more variation in some points, but overall a nice track and
quite different from the rest of the CD.
Radio Massacre International, Pyramid
Okay, after 'Organ Harvest' I have faith again in this band, and that's
because I thought 'Republic' was too full of sounds, which drowned out about
everything. Also I missed some specific personal touch (I'm sure they'll
hate me for saying they sounded just like TD ;-) ). So how's this track ?
Very moody and dark with slow rolling waves of sound and noise, not as good
as eg the second disc of Frozen North IMO. But perhaps I'm just not in the
right mood at the moment.
Andy Pickford, 4QNRX
Hmmm, Andy's been a bit out of the spotlight recently (working on his new
album), so I was curious what he's been up to. This track is upbeat and
incorporates some really catchy Turkish sounding patterns. I suspect it will
probably be polished a bit on the final album version (as I heard that that
would be another concept style album).
John Dyson, Nazarene
A new Dyson track, only some two minutes long, but it's the perfect ending
to this CD. Slow emotional chords and not much else really, but it works fine.
So all considered, this is a good CD if you'd like to get idea about a lot
of British EM musicians, and the price is also very low. So let's get those
orders to Ash, because 'is anybody out there...?' is also a question to YOU.
(no, I'm not on commission ;-) )
Wave ~~~
Tom
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Subject: Re: Klaus Schultze
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In a message dated 97-10-19 00:46:14 EDT, you write:
<< And when I do get the money it will go to the
January TD releases planned, not KS. No one else is better than TD! Dell >>
not even an imo?
tom w
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Date: Sun Oct 19, 1997 3:37
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Subject: voiceprint
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Has anyone had any luck getting in touch with a human being at voiceprint?
I'm trying to find out what happened to an order I placed (they charged my
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the address on the web page: rob@v... I've tried leaving a
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their web site. And I've never gotten a single reply. Short of making a
transatlantic phone call, is there any way that people have used to get in
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Subject: D:Solo Week 19 - Oct. 20, 1997
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Subject: Re: Klaus Schultze
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Really-From: Vic Rek
Hey, let's get the guy's name right. It's Schulze - there is no 'T' in it :-)
BTW, a quick count of Klaus Schulze's releases comes in around 100,
depending on how you count them!
How many official releases does TD have?
><< And when I do get the money it will go to the
> January TD releases planned, not KS. No one else is better than TD! Dell >>
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Subject: Re: Recommended Soundtracks
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Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-10-18 23:25:43 EDT, Dell writes, and steps right in the
middle of one of Phil's favorites: Wimper! :-(
<< THREE O'CLOCK HIGH was mediocre as a movie, but has some of the best
music in it by someone other than TD. Sorry, but TD was really reined in on
this one and left with only short bits and pieces. >>
HEY! I like this movie! Some of the perspective photography, and
the editing are classic. Sure the story is fanciful and ends in orbit, but
the personal focus on the various characters, and way the director gets into
the face of High School as an institution is remarkable, IMO. The amount of
cinema going on in the Pep Rally, for example is beyond belief; there must be
a couple of dozen different levels of drama and comedy going on all at the
same time. This is the first time I can recall being frightened to death
with laughter. And that drumming done by TD during this same scene, at least
according to the CD, is unlike anything I've heard the band do before, too.
That first track on the CD (same one) _still_ sends shivers up my spine!!
Phil Naunton
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Subject: RE: Near Dark and others: don't just listen -- watch
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> Really-From: Winston Edmond
> My point is just: if you think a soundtrack is uninteresting, try
> watching the movie it came from before giving up on it.
Let me add to the list 'Creation' from Sorcerer: Not only is
it one of my favorite songs, but favorite movie scenes --
the rebuilding of the trucks (almost from scratch) with
continual reminder of the burning oil fields laced with
some of Froese's most insightful guitar playing... incredible!
(Even more so when you remember the music was composed
BEFORE the scene was shot.)
Also, _Dead Solid Perfect_, although often panned, is
an exact fit to the feeling and tension of the game of
golf in general. I don't ever recall reading that any member
of TD has ever played the game, but ever since hearing
the soundtrack (and seeing the movie), I can't get the music
out of my mind whenever I play...
Later!
- jimbo
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then quietly strangled.' -- Sir Barnett Cocks
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> Really-From: Michael Richard
> Ludwig II Von Bayern...? Really good songs! But we can't compare KS to
> TD because I think Klaus Schulze is more spacial and Tangerine Dream are
> more on-earth.
I see it like this: Tangerine Dream provides an abstraction that
can be related to the tangible, while Schulze provides abstraction
(which I like too -- L2VB immedately shot up to the top of my favorite
KS songs, btw).
- jim
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Michael, please don't get me wrong: I DO like KS other than
Miditteranean Pads. It's just that I can only spend so much at a time so I
have to get my priorities first and that would be anything TD over anyone
else. Dell
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Tom: IMO would be redundant. My opinion is there for all to see. 8-)
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Sorry, Phil, no offense intended to Three O'Clock High. To be honest,
the movie has actually stayed in my memory better than many others I've seen,
but that may be because it has TD music in it. When I rent these movies, I
find I have to watch it at least three times to finally get all the plot
because I am so busy listening for the music the first two times. I really do
like the music, especially the song 'Something to Remember Me By', but that
was done by someone else than TD. And the acting was very well done even by
the bit players. I still remember the scene of the school bully agreeing to
take on the fight in place of our hero for $400; all the while he is standing
there with a clay cup cradled gently in his large hands. There was a lot of
attention to detail I admit. However, I don't remember high school being so
dark, teachers and counselors so inaccessible that our hero had nowhere to
turn. That seemed trite to me, IMHO (are you paying attention Tom W? ;-) Dell
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In a message dated 97-10-17 09:32:12 EDT, Vincent Goudreault writes:
<< (how many CD's has Schultz put out so far,
counting them as units, i.e. the Jubilee counting for 25? I would think
nearly
50, right?) >>
Actually, the discography of him on his web page lists the total as somewhere
around 80, as I recall.
There has been considerable discussion of TJE on the space music list, 5
discs at a time, for the last few weeks. Mostly positive comments.
Phil Derby
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In a message dated 97-10-19 18:35:28 EDT, you write:
<< Tom: IMO would be redundant. My opinion is there for all to see. 8-)
Dell
>>
ok...maybe ud care to compare the works of mr. schulze and those of tangerine
dream and expand on ur opinion....
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Subject: Pre-Sale Vs. Special Ed. of 150 of THE KEEP
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>New UK tour info/Tournado
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:30:11 -0600
>Really-From: stefan@b... (Stefan Stapelberg)
>
>here are the latest news for the upcoming UK tour as published on the
>web site. [. . .]
>MERCHANDISE
>
>As far as the merchandise front is concerned, you'll have more than one
>reason to save some bucks for your shopping spree before the gig starts,
>during the 20 minute break after the show. Apart from the usual T-shirts
>and other memorabilias, the fans will have the chance to buy the
>following CD's:
>
>o Tournado - The live cut, record in Europe 97
>o The Keep - A few pre-sale copies will be on sale (official release: Jan 98)
>o Oasis - The high acclaimed US soundtrack
>o TimeSquare - Dream Mixes II - start of pre-sales (official release: Feb 98)
>o Ambient monkeys - In huge demand: the pre-concert music and sounds -
> strange stuff!
>o World Tour Edition - There are just a few copies left from this limited
> Maxi-edition
Some questions:
o Why is Edgar selling a US release to the UK, first (OASIS), for once?
o Will tIMEsQUARE be a double in the UK/single in the US affair, again,
and who will be releasing it here, this time? And material from what
albums, exactly, will be on it? If they don't want to duplicate the
other disk, that leaves only GOBLINS' CLUB, OASIS, and . . . THE
KEEP?!?!
o What's the chance that this AMBIENT MONKEYS thingee is a Jerome pet-
project: in effect, Jerome's version of a Haslinger solo, a la WORLD
WITHOUT RULES, perhaps? ;)
o What will be the difference between the 'pre-sale copies' of THE KEEP
offered at this show, and the limited, advance special pressing that
was previously mentioned on TD web site?!?!?! Below is a copy of the
relevant sentences for those with foggy memories of this:
|[. . .] One month prior to the official release a very special
|designed edition of just 150 copies will go to those of you, who
|place the order for one copy each - a special subscribers list will
|be set up next month on this website. [. . .]
>--
>Stefan Stapelberg Fon: +49-9352-89948 RENT-A-GURU (TM)
> Fax: +49-9352-89949 P.O. Box 1358
> http://www.netstore.de/ D-97803 Lohr/Main
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
, and BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty.
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Hi dreamers,
Just got back from a record show earlier today and nabbed some goodies!
Finally got Bauman early stuff a 7' of Repeat Repeat as well as the full album,
Transharmonic Nights, and a spare copy of Romance 76(all lp) so if anyone wants
Romance 76 mail me off list! Finally got 70-80 too. If anyone hasn't tried to
track this down get it! The photo booklet inside is worth it alone.A most
impressive package.Now I gotta get the Italian version with the different
cover,anyone got a spare?...... also Aqua, Macula Transfer, electra's Tyger
(with TD logo cover) , Time for hero's 12', also got a cdr of Antarkis-does
anyone have a transcription of the track listing...it's in German. Also got the
Madchen 12' and the 7' , also the volt live cd single with Dreams w/vocal and
...tada Oasis! Since I can't find it in my local stores, I shot over to Canada
and picked it up.Lucky I live in Michigan and they are fond of the English
imports! I love it by the way!!Most impressive packaging as well. So now all
I've got to do is move, set up my stereo and maybe then I can listen to my
purchases!
Chris
Ps dont forget anyone needs Romance 76 I got a spare!
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At 10:57 PM 10/16/1997 +0200, Marcel wrote:
>
>If anyone has got an old Tron kept away somewhere,
>please don't hesitate to contact me.
>
>Let's see how many react! (probably 0)
>
>Marcel
I tell you what, Marcel. If I had one, you certainly would be
getting it. ;-)
Andrew
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At 08:52 PM 10/16/1997, you wrote:
>>
>>Last night on my way home I heard a preview of a story on National
>>Public Radio about someone who is restoring Mellotrons, but I wasn't
>>able to listen to the actual story. Did anyone hear it, and could you
>>summarize?
>>
>>Scott E. Plumer
The NPR archive has the following. The full transcript costs a
mint. I think my summary (off the top of my head) was better. :-)
DT: Tuesday, October 14, 1997
RE: 971014.ATC 1st Rundown For All Things Considered, Tuesday 10-14-97
Hosts: Robert Siegel and Marcia Brandwynne
Newscasters: Corva Koleman, Ann Taylor, Corey Flintoff
[19.] [MELLOTRON REVIVAL] -- Charles de Ledesma goes to a garage in
Stafforshire, England, where two devoted craftsmen spend their
days repairing
broken and neglected mellotrons. The mellotron was an early home
entertainment
keyboard. It was a gigantic box filled with tape recorders and
tape loops that
allowed the player to select just about any combination of
instruments and
rhythms. It was an essential component of rock-and-roll from the
early-70s until
the mid-80s. The Beatles, David Bowie, the Moody Blues, and lots of other
musicians used this cumbersome instrument; but when synthesizers
and samplers
were invented the mellotron was forgotten. Manufacture of the
mellotron stopped
in the mid-80s. Now, there is a revived interest in the
instrument, and old
mellotrons are being refurbished and sold for top dollar to young
bands. (7:45)
[FUNDER 0:29 CUTAWAY 0:59]
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If the thread lately is to discuss favorite soundtracks, then I think:
A) Thief is the most complete, stand alone recording
B) Risky Business had the two most 'signature' tracks
C) Dead SOlid Perfect is great music despite the clip format
D) The Man Inside is my personal favorite. I know it's really
hard to find, but if you haven't heard it, you're missing what I consider to
be exceptional TD.
E) Sorcerer is overrated (let the flames fly!!!)
F) Shy People opens with a Pink Floyd lift too close to be coincidence
G) Three O Clock High is a plane that keeps stalling before it can take
flight
H) Wavelength contains one of the most annoying tracks ever recorded
(Airshaft)
I) Legend is missing the best piece recorded for the move (played live in
1986 in ABQ)
J) Park Is Mine sound sucks
K) Deadly Care is Deadly Dull
L) Flashpoint is a wee repetitive and would have been much better if The Gems
track was replaced with more TD
M) Heartbreakers was worth the rerelease wait
N) Firestarter's Crystal Voice and Charly the Kid make the CD worth the money
O) Near Dark is a little too dark for my tastes
P) Miracle Mile is miraculously mediocre
Q) Destination Berlin is Optical Race-esque pop, but it sticks in the head
R) Catch Me If You Can has become Find Me If YOu Can
S) Rumpelstiltskin is still sealed and looking for a happy home to the next
two or three buyers. Email off list, please
T) Zoning-except for the first and last track, I think this describes the
mental state of the band during the recording
U) Oasis-Yes, a couple of the tracks are like cool water, refreshing, and yet
can easily give you a headache ifyou consume too much too quickly
V) Canyon Dreams-One to grow old with
W) TIme for Heroes-One to admire in the collection and never really play
X) Streethawk-Exciting music that may never see the light of day
Y) The Keep-All I can say is I hope the official Edgarized release is more
listenable the shabby Blue Moon cd.
Z) Vision Quest-Will this music ever escape the vaults?
And now for something completly different:
Anybody know release dates for
Oasis US?
Tournado US?
Jim&Pablo US?
The Keep US?
TimesSquare US?
If anyone would like to work a trade of still sealed Rumpelstiltskin CDs for
items at the upcoming show, please email me off list.
Thanks!
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FOR SALE
Tangerine Dream's Synthetiseur Collector's Edition 3 Limited Edition Picture
Discs (Phaedra, Rubycon, Ricochet) on Virign. Used but only played a couple
of times.
ALSO!
The second set of 3 Limited Edition Picture Discs (Encore, Force, Cyclone) on
Virign). Also used but only played a couple of times.
EMIAL off list if you want either or both!
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Hi,
As the discussion about the soundtracks is 'hot news' at this moment, I'll
let you all know that I'm still trying to find new copies of 'The Man
Inside' and 'Rumpelstiltskin' soundtracks on CD.
Please email me off list when you have them !!
Thanks,
Wouter Bessels
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How can we order this KLEM collection?
Remek Kocz
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At 10:28 AM 10/18/97 +0200, you wrote:
> >Hi Marcel,
>>..er..I have one. It's in my basement awaiting still more parts. I
>>discussed this with Grant sometime back. I thought I had it all up and
>>running, only to find a few more bugs. BTW-the guts on this thing remind me
>>of the electrical wiring on any Italian car! What a mess! So, I'm still
>>working on it from time to time and, no, I don't want to get rid of it.
>>Whenever I get it working, I can send you the sound samples if you like
>>(made the same offer to Grunt). THis thing weighs a bloody ton!
>
>Ah great. Your the first one to react.
>I once read on the list that you had it.
>It must be difficult to find spare-parts, I really hope you succeed.
>Damn, not for sale. Well I wouldn't sell it too.
>
>As for the samples, that would be great!
>I have (and extensively use) the mellotron-choir, but I'm looking
>for good strings and especially the flute-sound.
>If you can send that to me, I will give you a free copy of my CD,
>Impulse (you don't have it yet or do you? I'm not sure) and a free
>copy of the next CD!
>
>Thanks for the info and later!
>
>Marcel
Hi Marcel!
Indeed, I do have Impulse! I think it's wonderful! My parts come from a
place in California and although they are quite knowledgable and nice, it's
slow-going getting the pieces. I have cobbled up a few pieces (like the
copper contact strips from the keys, but I fear if a dabble too much I'll
screw something up! I have the string, choir, flute, and a set of french
horn tapes.
I'll let you know of it's re-birth, whenever it happens! Currently one of
the cats has made it one of her fave places to nap!
Mike
PS--When is your 2nd CD due out?
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Vic wrote:
>........ the price of the set? Yes, about $350!!! I
>started a year in advance to plan for this purchase. So I can't say I just
>saw it and forked out the cash - sorry, this hobby costs more than SCUBA
>diving :-)
>
>But, I have to say, that if you can afford to purchase this or have a friend
>that can tape this for you - JUST DO IT!
>You just have to listen to this music or I'll just have to say 'shame on
you'!
>
>Vic
OK Vic. Expect 3 pallettes of cassettes to show up at your house this week.
I expect the KS cs (hee hee) back in a week. :-)
Jesskiddin'
Mike
(shame on me!)
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At 08:59 PM 10/19/97 -0400, you wrote:
><< Tom: IMO would be redundant. My opinion is there for all to see. 8-)
> Dell
> >>
>ok...maybe ud care to compare the works of mr. schulze and those of tangerine
>dream and expand on ur opinion....
>
>tom w
>
>np: ks - the dome event
Oh Oh...Tome goes into his lower case attack mode.........
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> Quoted From: AslanFan1@a...
>[...]
> D) The Man Inside is my personal favorite. I know it's really
> hard to find, but if you haven't heard it, you're missing what I consider to
> be exceptional TD.
>[...]
This is one I'd loooove to have! I have the movie on VHS, and while it's
interesting (mostly cuz it's based on a true story), the soundtrack music
is really good. I can only hope that the trend of reissuing TD soundtracks
picks up again with this as one of them.
'Hard to find' is an understatement... Wasn't it released only in France,
and for only a short time as well? This is one of those situations when
one has to ask, 'WHYYYY??!'
Dave Brewer
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I've seen this demo'd on the news...basically it seems like a digitalized
equivalent of the Theremin that you can interface with a sampler.
Gabe
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Hello dreamers,
can any of visitors of UK Tour buy for me one copy of Ambient Monkeys
on concert?
I can pay it or exchange for other rare material.
Please contact me off-list.
Thank you
Richard Bilek, Praha, Czech Republic
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Really-From: DJS
Here's some high comedy for those of you with a sense of humor. I did
NOT write this so don't bother flaming me. I am guilty of laughing my
ass off for a minute though. For those of you with no sense of
humor...STOP reading now. Enjoy...
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
Egdar Froese leaves the stage after the end of the second of two
performances (two nights in a row) at The Met in Newbury, UK.
'Hmph,' Ed thinks, 'eet ees quite awbvious dat de fans are
fokking seek
and tired of da band playeeng 'Love On A Real Train' und 'Girls On
Broadway.' Sheet, vee had bettuh deescuss dis weeth Jerome und his fairy
queen, that slippery-snake Zlatko.'
Next day at the 'big band conference' (at a London outdoor
cafe):
'Paw-paw,' Jerome whines, 'can Linda come bawck? She really,
really vants
to.'
'Shaddup! You dumb ninny! Dere eesn't enuff room on de payroll
for that
beetch to stand on stage and pretend she can play de keyboards! She only
stands dere shakeeng her tush at de fans, und giveeng us bad reviews!
Vee
need to direly change the live setlist. I dink vee should resurrect
'Diamond Diary' and 'Choronzon,'
merge dem eento a big twenty-minute medley weef a brand new sequential
middle section. Vat do you tink?'
'Aw, dude,' Zlatko says, 'let's play 'Smoke On The Water.' '
'Shaddup!' Edgar yells at that frightened Satriani-wannabe
Zlatko. 'Geet
your fokking tinking caps on! Maybe vee should get Chris back und stun
the
fans with a revved-up version of 'Monolight' dat makes 'Scrapyard' look
like 'Zeit.' Sooo?'
'Let's cover da Cure's 'Old Cats Are Grey,' Papa,' Jerome
suggests.
'You eediots! Schwingungen! Eunuchs! You youngsters are geeving
Tangerine
Dream a bad name!!!!!!'
'Yeah, Mr. Froese,' Zlatko remarks, 'but if you invite Chris
back into the
group, the fans will think you're getting soft in your old age, and that
you're doing it because TD album sales are low.'
'DAT--' Edgar explodes, 'ees EXACTLY why I fired dose wenches
Bobi und
Joanne! Insubordination! Harrumph!!'
'Eets not like we can touch Mark Shreeve or even that new guy,
Erik
Norlander, Papa,...' Jerome asserts.
'Hmm,' Edgar theenks, 'ees eet too late for Jerome to raise
seals?'
TO BE CONTINUED!
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Subject: D:Ages
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Good timing guys,
My copy is on order at Virgin, 10-14 days before I get it!
Maybe I'll be allowed to make a belated comment then. :-)
Lawry
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Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-10-20 03:52:13 EDT, Georg (without the 'e' ;-) writes:
<< Re: Klaus Schulze (will you americans ever spell it right? ;-) >>
What is this GENERALIZATIONS 'R' US ??
Phil Nanutno (ooops that's Naunton)
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> I would like to know how TD gets stuck with the absolute worst singers
> in this world.
> Hah! I guess you've never heard the Flashpoint soundtrack! :-)
Or how about 'Brother or Stranger' from City of Shadows....hee hee!
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>How many official releases does TD have?
Didn't you check my book? :-)
23 Studio albums
9 Live albums
14 Compilations
23 Soundtracks
33 Singles
Total: 102
Scott
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Really-From: Paul Nagle
** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... :
>It's a very good Froese solo record, although I prefer 'Stuntman' or
>'Pinnacles' above 'Ages', but that's just a personal choice...
I prefer Stuntman too - Ages would have made an excellent single
album.
The ideas are stretched out rather than developed.
But I still quite like it.
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Really-From: 'Monk, Chris'
Hi all,
Has anyone heard of a device called the Dimension Beam? Last week I saw
Duran Duran on Jay Leno and later in the week on Rosie O'Donnell. On
both shows I noticed keyboardist Nick Rhodes waving his hands over a
device on top of his synthesizers. Last night, Duran Duran were the
guests on a radio program called Modern Rock Live. Someone called in
and asked Nick what the device was called. He said its called a
Dimension Beam and its an infrared device that can be used to control
sounds, trigger samples etc. Sounds to me like some of the stuff Edgar
has been talking about recently (plasma controller, e-ball, etc.) I
found quite a few web sites that explain it and it seems like many
artists are using it such as Yes, Peter Gabriel and Kitaro. I guess my
question is, does TD currently use one of these when they perform live?
Just curious.
Thanks
Chris
NP: Duran Duran - Medazzaland
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>what other unplayed tunes would you folks like to see them
tackle live??
Birth of Liquid Plejades? Journey Through a Burning Brain?
Actually, I'd like to hear 'Teetering Scales' from Miracle Mile.
Scott
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> SHY PEOPLE was a good movie, not much music used in it;
would like to
>know how TD gets stuck with the absolute worst singers in this
world.
>
Hah! I guess you've never heard the Flashpoint soundtrack! :-)
Scott
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Greg....
Alien Sex Fiend is having the strongest influence on
me..
inexplicable mood this music will give to you...
Go out and try all their other stuff... I'm sure you're
gonna luv IT.....cheers andy456
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
Hi,
I first heard 'Ages' a couple of years ago, when a friend told me that if I
liked TD albums like Force Majeure or Cyclone, I was definitely in for 'Ages'.
It's a very good Froese solo record, although I prefer 'Stuntman' or
'Pinnacles' above 'Ages', but that's just a personal choice...
The recent CD-issue was a bit of a disappointment, because of the last track
being cut out. However, tracks like 'Icarus' or 'Tropic of Capricorn' are
nice composition and feature both guitar- and keyboard-work. And the record
is dedicated to Monica and Jerome (who was 7 or 8 at that time) !!
One question....someone mailed a couple of weeks ago that he was
disappointed of the exclusion of that last track, because 'a concept album
like Ages really doesn't have the proper ending' (or something like that...).
Why is it a concept album ????
But, anyway, let us all listen to 'Ages' today !!
Cheeeeeeeeerio, Wouter.
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Subject: RE: Near Dark and others...
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Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm)
Winston hit the nail on the head with that one. The main reason I like
Near Dark so much is that it fits the mood of the film so perfectly.
I cited Sorcerer as my favourite, but I haven't actually seen the film.
this one is more to do with the TD era in which it was created, and the
instruments used. Given the way that this one was written (music first,
film later) I must admit to being curious to see the film and see how
well the music and images tie in together.
Half of the problem is that TD don't usually soundtrack Hollywood blockbusters.
This means that (in the UK at least) videos of the films are really hard
to come by. A few turn up here and there as ex-rentals and it's through
this method that I got the few films I do have. (Not always that clever
a plan though, I bought a copy of CODENAME: THE SOLDIER and whilst watching
it for the first time, the tape was that crappy it got chewed up and trashed
my VCR in the process. :-(
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Subject: Re: Mellotron story on NPR
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
>At 10:57 PM 10/16/1997 +0200, Marcel wrote:
>
>
>>
>>If anyone has got an old Tron kept away somewhere,
>>please don't hesitate to contact me.
>>
>>Let's see how many react! (probably 0)
>>
>>Marcel
>
>I tell you what, Marcel. If I had one, you certainly would be
>getting it. ;-)
>
>Andrew
>
Thanks, Andrew. Your the 2nd one to react.
What I think I will do (probably next year) is buy a sampler alone
for the mellotron sounds. Sample each note and sound and don't use
loops but the original 7/8 seconds.
I hear a lot of people think, but hey you can do a lot more with a sampler.
I know, but I don't want more. I like limitations. Call me strange in these
things. (well I hope not).
btw: it's nice to see your face on the Goldtri-page. It was totally what I
had not expected. Please don't get this negative. I always form a picture
of the people from the lists. I was wrong with Vic Rek and Grant too.
I have a few pictures in my head from Mr. Filipak, Morgan Marks, Steven
Feldman too. I hope the pics match.
I hope others will put their faces on it too. I will.
Marcel Engels
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Subject: TD Soundtrack Opinions
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
Is it just me, or is it kind of backwards to listen to TD soundtracks,
when the most 'visually and spacially' abled band (IMO) does these motion
pictures, it defeats the purpose of how I feel for TD music. I have rented
a number of the movies that TD has done tracks for, I also have the Silva
Dream Music # 2 CD and the Miracle Mile CD. Some tracks are, yes, good, but
others are so monotonous and repeatative that I just skip past them. If I
could forget that these tracks are from a movie, and put in my own mental
pictures to the music, it would be wonderful.
Actors and actresses don't interact with the actual music in the
background, it only poses that a mood setter. I like to interact with TD
music, focus on just that, but when you're forced to follow a plot, the
music kind of fades in the background many times.
Maybe you can think of it as a cool fictional world where everyone listens
to TD while they go about there bussiness of bombing, killing, bullying,
love-making, decieveing, discovering, and listening to till the end of the
world comes.
Hmmm... =o)
From what I have heard from the Silva disc:
The Mark Ayres 7:22 Suite version of LEGEND is really great music,
especially the climax at the end. Not having heard the original, I can't
comment on which is better.
I like all (every changing part actually) of the original recording of DEAD
SOLID PERFECT - Suite 14:39 (on the Silva disc)
Heartbreakers:
-Footbridge to Heaven... A Le Parc type sound that I can get into. Very
catchy for first time listeners (in theaters where you hear it once or
maybe twice)
-Twilight Painter... 4 minutes and 16 seconds of no comments ;)
-Desire... Love this track, harmony keyboards and all.. not even Cusco
(they are great too) could beat this one.
STREETHAWK theme.. 3:13
Daniel Caine version... this is what would happen if Streethawk became very
popular and spawned off a cartoon.. the hyper happy version.
CATCH ME IF YOU CAN--
-Dylan's Future 4:43... This is good, love the piano and it really shows
the amount of talent TD has (had?) with doing something a little different.
-Dylan's at Home Alone 3:28... One time was enough but why another? It
totally loops within a sequence of loops! Not exactly something to listen
to while typing (maybe some kind of exercise ;), but I'm sure it works for
the movie.
-Widow -- Maker Race 2:45 ... Another upbeat and good track for a movie. I
like how it builds up on that 'time running out' theme.
-Dylan's Triumph 4:17... I can never get enough of this track, again back
with the piano. This is pure bliss as the heafty thumps follow the
sequencer to a drum solo, then outwards back buliding up.. the piano solo
again.. then a climax (in sync with the movie) followed by a piano to
conclude. This is story telling in itself.
--Catch Me if You Can 1:47 theme 1:47
short, and much like Dylan's Future. I like the stylistic transitions.
RISKY BUSINESS...
-Love On A Real Train 4:28
Mark Ayres version.
I liked his version of Legend, and I like this one too.
I *gulp!* never heard the real version of this song.
Simple melodies spread over heavy sequenced sections with ambient train and
vocal sounds.
Greg...
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Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze (will you americans ever spell it right? ;-)
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Really-From: Georg Veltmann
You wrote:
> << counting them as units, i.e. the Jubilee counting for 25? I
> would think nearly
> 50, right?) I have a few Klaus Schultz CD's myself, and I really
> enjoy his work. But >>
>
> alot more...the silver edition had 10, the historic had 10, and the
> jubilee as u point out has 25...then i can think of 5 that he put
> out in the last 2 years alone, so theres ur fifty to 1995 working
> backwards...i think hes closing in on the 75 mark myself....
Can't resist to post my $0.02:
A quick look on the KS discography at
http://www.klaus-schulze.com/disco.htm
will tell you that KS has released over 100 CDs in his career
counting samplers, collections and collaborations like Wahnfried and
the DSotM series, too.
And still he's going on producing fascinating soundscapes. I'm
still amazed over the Jubilee Edition, I just bought The Dresden
Performance and Inter*face and still can't get enough of that music.
My personal CD count of KS releases is 75 and growing...
TD content:
Just bought a couple of old TD releases. How come that Thief as
Virgin SBM is titled as 'Tangerine Dream Live' ?
I think it is a shame that all Virgin SBM have the same booklet
(cover pictures of all Virgin releases and that same story) The
Essential releases (just bought Livemiles) are a lot better.
Georg
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Subject: Re: D:Solo Week 19 - Oct. 20, 1997
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Really-From: 'K.E'
Edgar Froese - Ages
Well, I think it is his best solo record - It got a lot of accustic
atmosfere, which none of the other have.
Most of his other solo-recordings seem to reflect the sound of TD at
that particular time very close, while Ages has a life of its own
I must admit, though, while listning to it the other day, that I found
too many simple 4-5 note motives being repeated all to long throughout
each piece.
Great guitar...
Kent
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Subject: B5 Episode ...WOW!
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
Last week's B5 broadcast (US) was REALLY something, but I missed the first
half...did anyone tape it??
NP: The Man Inside S/T
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Date: Mon Oct 20, 1997 11:10
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Subject: Ages
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Hi gang,
Ages to me really reflects the other side of herr Froese, it is in my opinion
more experimental in it's arrangements. By this I mean that for it's time it
was a step closer to the Tad I prefer today. Maybe my age-27 speaks of my
preference to the more groove oriented Td and I find this in his solo work.
I just wish(old subject for me) that Franke had done some solo stuff at the
same time and baumann as well, kinda like KISS did with their solo albums back
in the 70's.
seeya!
Chris
NP - Phenemona/aka Creepers soundtrack
Dawn of the Dead soundtrack-Goblin
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Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze
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Really-From: AOutland@a...
Hello Tom: compare KS with TD? Ok, I'll try, but bear in mind I am not a
musician so my perceptions are purely emotional, not mechanical. I don''t
even know what a synthesizer is or any of that other stuff. In fact I like KS
what little I've heard; I only have the 72-93 album. Except for Miditteranean
Pads it is all very good with Dome Event being the best (IMO). So, why do I
like TD better? Why did I choose blue carpet instead of green? Maybe it's all
just a logical part of how you're brain was formed, what influenced you to be
one kind of person and not another. Perhaps it's just a matter of loyalty; I
found TD first. And their music has helped my through a lot of rough spots in
my life when KS was nowhere around ( I only discovered him last year). I know
this is not a precise and logical answer, but they touched something inside
of me that no other group or single musician has. You can analyze the
different styles all you want; you can dissect a poem down to the last iambic
pentameter, but the fact remains, there is no explaining taste, choice,
preference. Dell
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
%^*#@!~ &*^+?$% @#!~^&$!!!!!! :( :( :( :( That's just my
way of saying that I f***ing *hate* it when, after a letter is all set
to fire off to a mailing list, my f***ing mainframe connection decides
to die and take my letter with it!!! :( :( :( :( Arrrggghhhh!
I'll try to say what I said last time, or at least re-state the
stuff that I think really should be said. Here goes:
For those in the Boston area, I'd like to tell you that there is
finally a place to procure DIGITAL GOTHIC in person: at Waterstone's
Books, at the corner of Exeter and Newbury Streets. They have about
five copies left, and they're priced at $20.00 even. All of the copies
are in tip-top shape, so if mail-order company's tendency to use shitty
shipping methods -- despite charging $3+ for postage -- that mangle your
book(s) bothers you, here's an alternative. ;) :
Paul Stump's book, DIGITAL GOTHIC, is a rather modest affair, with
few photos and not a heck of a lot of text, either. Measuring 6' x 9',
with a page count of 160, and with text that is one-and-a-half spaced
(i.e., midway between single- and double-spaced), the fact that much of
what is said is a highly subjective stream-of-consciousness critique of
an avowedly favorite band is rather disconcerting insofar as the book
preaches to the converted, so to speak, in that only those who are
familiar with 90% of TD's output will be able to follow him at every
turn. Oh, and if it makes you feel better, there is nothing in Stump's
book as abstruse as that last sentence. ;)
Sadly, DIGITAL GOTHIC is not user-friendly for the idly curious or
the neophyte fan. It *does*, however, do a great job in creating an
air of mystery about the band -- if only because the text is probably
inscrutable to the extent of impenetrability for those not in the know.
The book is very well-written, yet a little bit of scholarly detachment
would have helped; self-absorption and pedantic terminology are a real
liability to understanding. I should know: I majored in semiotics, an
area that delights in the inscrutability of its jargon. ;)
It is gratifying that Stump regards CYCLONE more fondly than FORCE
MAJEURE (because of 'Madrigal Meridian,' which he & I adore), but strange
that he finds DEADLY CARE to be one of TD's best efforts in years, while
similarly dark recordings as THE PARK IS MINE, LEGEND, and NEAR DARK
are dismissed quickly. In fact, Stump has nicer things to say about
the singing on LEGEND's two vocal tracks than anything else (he says he
likes the singing, not the tracks per se, saying that the compositions
themselves are lame).
He really lays into RUMPELSTILTSKIN, saying that it's some of the
shallowest, cheesiest, and uninspired work Edgar has ever done -- which
strikes me as odd since in feel, this album is reminiscent of DEADLY
CARE! -- but champions ZONING, claiming that it features some of the
most interesting compositions of any recent TD album, even though the
album is nearly an Edgar solo.
Stump, thankfully, likes THE DREAM MIXES quite a bit, and also
thankfully, finds TYRANNY OF BEAUTY to be a real stinker. ;) The
problem is -- for me, anyways -- he thinks that TURN OF THE TIDES is
bad, too. But then, he thinks MELROSE was very good (yay!).
In all, the book reads like a 'I really like these songs, but I
think these songs suck' rant by yours truly had I been a musician and
a journalist. ;)
Oh, one last thing: THE KEEP is mentioned often, and listed as
being slated for 1996 release, and -- interestingly -- the reason given
for THE KEEP's being held back is because Virgin had supposedly made a
deal with MCA where MCA would release a few other Virgin properties as
well as just THE KEEP, but that MCA and Virgin wound up not seeing eye-
to-eye on this. Oh hell, okay, I'll get out the book and quote this
directly (from pages 94-95):
| Tangerine Dream signed a contract with MCA in America after
|SORCERER; a deal was done with Virgin whereby they would be able to
|release THE KEEP if the American label were able to release some other
|Virgin Tangerine Dream recordings in the US. The deal fell through --
|because of 'internal politics' according to Froese.
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
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Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty.
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| 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! |
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
I don't see what's supposed to be so bloody funny about that!
NP: Brian Eno--_The Drop_
Next up: Edgar Froese--_Ages_
Gabe
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In a message dated 97-10-20 13:27:18 EDT, you write:
<< TO BE CONTINUED! >>
I vass vaiteeng fur zee punchline, but alas eet neaver showed up.
Eet moost bee een zee next segmeent, no?
Phil Naunton
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>Really-From: AOutland@a...
>Thank you, Andrew. I get the feeling this place is like a large family:
>squabbles break out from time to time, but the underlying love is still
there
>and all is easily forgiven. Dell
Don't believe it. I hate all of you with a passion.
A week behind on his digests (again),
B. Kirby
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In a message dated 97-10-13 03:08:53 EDT, you write:
> Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn)
>
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has ordered Tournado through Horizon
> Music? Wondering if you received yours, if you did. I haven't
> received mine.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Martyn
I'm going to try and find out if I can get a status report from some of the
other Horizon Music people and report back to the list with some sort of
timetable.
I'd write something witty at this point, but it's almost 3:30 in the morning.
I'm a little tired.
Almost caught up (for now),
B. Kirby
PS - If it makes any of you feel better, I don't have my copies yet either.
If it makes you feel worse, just pretend I didn't say it. Well, I didn't
actually 'say' it, I wrote it. So pretend you didn't read it. In fact, this
message never happened, and I will deny having any knowledge of it ever
occurring in front of any Senate Committee you commies want to drag me in
front of! Furthermore, I.....sorry, lost it a bit at the end there.
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Subject: Re: Recommended Soundtracks
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Scott: actually, I really like the Flashpoint soundtrack song: 'Stuck
with the truth pounding in my brain'. Some really good lyrics there that
match the music. For a change, this singer isn't too bad! Dell
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Subject: Re: Thief - Tangerine Dream Live
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> Really-From: Georg Veltmann
>
> TD content:
> Just bought a couple of old TD releases. How come that Thief as
> Virgin SBM is titled as 'Tangerine Dream Live' ?
Because Virgin didn't give a s**t about presentation, just
squeezing more money out of their back-catalogue. The sound
quality IS markedly better, unfortunately, making it worthwhile
seeking out the SBM versions.
> I think it is a shame that all Virgin SBM have the same booklet
> (cover pictures of all Virgin releases and that same story)...
family Froese felt about the catalogue of errors that cropped
up in the SBM releases, and the axing of half of Monique's
artwork.
It all smacks of lack of time and respect, and the desire to
make a quick buck.
Grant
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Subject: Ages - the missing track
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Really-From: Rainer Rutka
On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> I first heard 'Ages' a couple of years ago, when a friend told me that if I
> liked TD albums like Force Majeure or Cyclone, I was definitely in for 'Ages'.
> The recent CD-issue was a bit of a disappointment, because of the last track
> being cut out.
Something differnt !
I made a copy of the missing track on a CD-R and put it into a double-CD-jewel-
case. Now I have the complete AGES ;-).
If somebody wants a copy - email me offlist ! I'd like to trade !
Rainer
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
At 02:01 21-10-97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>TD content:
>Just bought a couple of old TD releases. How come that Thief as
>Virgin SBM is titled as 'Tangerine Dream Live' ?
>I think it is a shame that all Virgin SBM have the same booklet
>(cover pictures of all Virgin releases and that same story) The
>Essential releases (just bought Livemiles) are a lot better.
>
>Georg
>
My copy of the SBM 'Thief' has the same error, just like the SBM CD of
'Exit'. Speaking of that 'Exit' CD, I wonder what kind of drunken person
typed the back cover and the CD. It says 'Purple of Pilots Twighlight' and
mentions 'Remote', instead of 'Remote Control'. Strange.......it's more or
less easier than a title like 'Mysterious Semblances at the Strand of
Nightmares'.
I agree that the Essential remasters are much better, the drawback is yet
another almost complete 'Poland'.
By the way....keep those TD jokes coming !!!
Wouter.
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
just another note on tournado... fans in the UK have found it but has
anyone found it in the US yet?? so far no one has answered. Stefan tells
us that it was released as planned. but I have heard from several reputable
dealers that the US release date has been pushed back to Oct. 28 -- the
same day as the US version of Oasis... perhaps Stefan is right but then
has anyone found Tournado in the US? Can anyone remember the distributor?
thanks
lars
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Subject: stamps/andrew j. rozsa/aslanfan1
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I have stamps to trade for electronic music CDs.
If anybody interested,please mail offlist.
Andrew J. Rozsa : Happy you are back!
AslanFan1 :Please send a price list.Thanks !
Bogdan
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>Really-From: Steven Feldman
(snip)
>Oh hell, okay, I'll get out the book and quote this directly (from pages
94-95):
>
>| Tangerine Dream signed a contract with MCA in America after
>|SORCERER; a deal was done with Virgin whereby they would be able to
>|release THE KEEP if the American label were able to release some other
>|Virgin Tangerine Dream recordings in the US. The deal fell through --
>|because of 'internal politics' according to Froese.
My recollection of seeing the LP copy of The Keep (before it was pulled) was
that
it came out on the MCA label. Thanks for the verification by pointing this out,
Steven.
-Erik
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** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... :
>By the way....keep those TD jokes coming !!!
OK.
Goblin's Club.
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Subject: Dali documentary on BBC1 tonight
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Really-From: Grant Middleton
The second half of a documentary on Dali will be
shown tonight on BBC1 at 11:00 p.m. The first half,
shown last night, covered his early life, so I'm
hoping that there might be some mention of the
'60s (and Edgar) in tonight's installment.
Grant
PS I'm video taping it, just in case.
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Subject: At the Border of Green Desert at 7:25 AM EST
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Really-From: Vic Rek
Well, I started another year today, so when I got in my car this morning I
made it a point to play TD first. But which tape? I chose the title track
from Green Desert for 2 reasons: 1 - it's length was exactly the amount of
time for me to get to work (I wanted to listen to 1 long track) and 2 - I
haven't heard it for awhile.
After playing it again, I have to admit that it is a cool track. Mellow
Froese guitar and nice percussion by Franke. But for some reason I kept
hearing Pink Floyd's 'Careful with that Axe Eugene'. I know people have
posted before of other tracks similar to Pink Floyd, like Shy People, but
has anybody made this correlation?
So, now it's time to make up that yearly TD/Schulze budget (NOT - it would
make my spreadsheet burn on the screen) and get to work making all those
Jubilee Edition tapes for those kind souls (Mr. Fox) that dropped off those
palletes of cassette tapes on my doorstep yesterday - just kidding :-)
Vic
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Really-From: Grant Middleton
> Really-From: Gabe Yedid
> I don't see what's supposed to be so bloody funny about that!
As Pickford/Boddy's Symbiont might say...
B.S.Y.T. !
And if you don't know what I'm on about, come on over
to the new, improved, spring-fresh, whiter-than-white
GoldTri and find out.
Grant
PS, I didn't find it very bloody funny, either. When
do we hear the punchline ?
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Really-From: ashok prema
Thanks Tom for your review - nice to see you in person at KLEM.....was
anyone else from the list there?? if you bought 'Is There Anybody Out
There' a brief review for other readers would no doubt assist them into
deciding whether to purchase it. But hey........the price is low to buy it
anyway! Progtron should receive a batch by end of this month.....and
those in the UK can contact me direct by e-mail - cost is 5 UK pounds -
and that includes postage.
aprema@g... .co.ok
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>NP - Dawn of the Dead soundtrack-Goblin
Great soundtrack! Even though the soundtrack music doesn't
appear in the film.
Scott
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Subject: Mellotron repair help?
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Really-From: 'Craig Shipley'
Folks,
If you need spares, schematics, repair tips, new tapes/frames, etc. for your
'Tron, go and check out the Mellotron Archive at
www.mellotron.com . They are supposed to have all of that stuff 'n more.
(Probably have a link for 'Tron help/spares for those of you on the other
side of the Pond). Neat reading for those of you who are merely curious. I
have no stake in this site, just trying to help y'all out... (Psst! Didja
know that the 'Tron was a UK rip-off of the US-designed and built
Chamberlain? 'Tis true! Read all about it at the Mellotron Archives!)
As far as sampling devices that replicate the 'Tron, doesn't the E-Mu
Vintage Keys have a couple of 'Tron samples that replicate the sound pretty
accurately, right down to the eight-second sample length? As this is a 2U
rack-mount jobbie, it seems that it would be easier to cart around than a
Model 400 (plus it has a lot of other old keyboard sounds available). Just
some bits of info that I have picked up here 'n there...
NP: Djam Karet: The Devouring (with TWO Mellotrons credited!!)
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You'll notice several other errors, not the least of which is the
incorrect band line-up!
MJ
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> Scott: actually, I really like the Flashpoint soundtrack
song: 'Stuck
>with the truth pounding in my brain'. Some really good lyrics
there that
>match the music. For a change, this singer isn't too bad! Dell
Don't worry, they can cure that with lasers these days. :-) Do
you like 'Caleb's Blues' from Near Dark as well?
Scott
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Scott, Caleb's Blues is one of my favourite TD tracks! :-)))
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>Scott, Caleb's Blues is one of my favourite TD tracks! :-)))
(Scot falls to the floor, clutching his
throat. As his co-workers look on in puzzlement, one comments 'He's
strangled himself rather than deal with the fact that someone might like
'Caleb's Blues.')
The Late Scott
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>Thanks Tom for your review - nice to see you in person at KLEM.....was
>anyone else from the list there?? if you bought 'Is There Anybody Out
I tried but somehow went to Rotterdam instead. They have some funny
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Can anyone mail me in private the complete Discography of TD!
TIA
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' They have the law behind them,
but the nerds were here first! '
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Heh heh, here's part two. If you don't get it...let me explain. It's
basically lifting the older TD above the crap now spewing from the band.
If you like the Spa days of TD, read no further. You might be offended.
Heh. As I warned before, do not read if you have no sense of humor...or
if you are just too damn uptight. If you are one of these people in this
catagory don't bother to complain. I didn't write this...I only agree
with it.
rock on,
Dano
EDGAR LOVES HIS SON, JEROME PT. II
(two months later, live on stage somewhere in Sheffield (NO it ain't no
Electronica or any other festival@&%$!):
The crowd is on their feet, cheering. The main set list is
over...
'Now eet ees time,' Edgar thinks, tuning his guitar. 'I'm going
to slay
all de fans by playing the guitar part to 'Cloudburst Flight' and then
segue eento that extended 'Monolight/Choronzon/Moorland/Diamond Diary.'
medley. Den I will blow dem away with my modern take of 'Invisible
Limits.'
Tonight belongs to me!' Edgar turns toward Jerome and Zlatko and
____________(fill in your name; even you could be TD's $@#% new member
at
this point), motioning them to follow his lead; everybody nods.
Five minutes later, the band is back onstage:
Edgar picks the opening notes to the guitar part of 'Cloudburst
Flight,'
wearing an expression upon his face best described as a cross between
mortal anguish and constipation. Wait? Is Zlatko dualling Edgar's notes?
Edgar smiles: 'Dat's a nice touch --NOW quit it! Dis is my solo!' Edgar
thinks, hoping Zlatko will read his mind! Suddenly a wall of distortion
emanating from Zlatko's platform nearly flattens Edgar, drowning out his
guitar.
'Vat is dat fool doing?' Edgar looks out at the audience;
everyone is
evacuating--one person with a Hawkwind tee-shirt is jumping up and down
with his fist in the air.
'Dat eedeeot!' Edgar yells. 'Dat fool is playing 'Ace of
Spades'! Aaargh!'
Edgar breaks off his vibratto bar; a rabid no-life kinda fan
jumps on
stage, seizes the object and swallows it before any other
less-than-worthy
enthusiast can grab it. Edgar backs off in fright--
--while Jerome is hammering away the drum part to 'Ace' on his
Octapad.
'Dees ees a mutiny! You eediots! You are all fired!' Suddenly
Edgar feels
a wave of calm come over him: I will beat dis b******t weeth my own
ingenuity! Edgar cranks up his guitar to '11' (he borrowed this one from
Nigel) for that 'extra added umph,' and begins playing a newly-revised
version of 'Beach Theme.'
The scene: EVERYONE STOPS IN THEIR TRACKS. CRIES OF GLEE
ACCOMPANY THE
STAMPEDING OF CONCERTGOERS BACK TO THEIR SEATS; MINOR CONFRONTATIONS
ENSUE;
THE BAR HAS ALREADY RUN DRY.
'Yes, dat ees more like eet!' Edgar thinks, the fingers of his
left hand
smoothly gliding over the frets, stopping every so often at a note, and
wringing more expression out of it with his callused digit than a
bleating
goat nursing its young.
Suddenly, he catches something out of the corner of his eye: it's Linda
(Spa) at Stage Right, smiling (sadly) and holding up a sign:
CAN'T GET A GIG***WILL PLAY SAX 4 U 4 FOOD
'Sheeiit! Schwingungen! Dat wench ees breaking my
concentration!!!!'
{pssst...could this be the end of TD as we know
it?.........naaaaaaaah!}
TO BE CONTINUED!!!!!!!
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Sean: Brother or Stranger from the City of Shadows: I am not at all
familiar with this one. Is this a TD release? Dell
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In a message dated 97-10-21 01:55:44 EDT, you write:
<< compare KS with TD? >>
(perceptions snipped....)
but the fact remains, there is no explaining taste, choice,
preference.
good answer....but I would urge you to try not to let those factors influence
ur musical environment...if everything u listen to is measured on a td
yardstick, ur gonna miss out on so much great music out there...and the
choice, imo, should never be 'either/or', it should be 'both'....
tom w
np: plaid - undoneson ep
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In a message dated 97-10-21 09:07:41 EDT, you write:
<< and get to work making all those
Jubilee Edition tapes for those kind souls (Mr. Fox) that dropped off those
palletes of cassette tapes on my doorstep yesterday - just kidding :-) >>
this is a real exercise in futility...if u figure out a way of dubbing this
without having to cut anything, let me know....ive given up on even
attempting to use complete tapes...and dont even mention video tape....
tom w
np: scanner vs sign ov chaos
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Scott,
It does but the US cut mixed it with libary music while the European
(shorter) cut used the entire GOBLIN score as well as some additional scenes.
It is availible on Japanese laser in a box set of both versions as well as
several boot companies. Its known as the ARGENTO EDIT.
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>NP - Dawn of the Dead soundtrack-Goblin
Great soundtrack! Even though the soundtrack music doesn't
appear in the film.
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> Sean: Brother or Stranger from the City of Shadows: I am not at all
> familiar with this one. Is this a TD release?
TD did the music for this movie, from 1986 I think, which I taped many
years ago and have since lost. The only thing I can recall about the film
is that it wasn't very good. The song 'Brother or Stranger' ran over the
end credits. Horrible. Cheesy 80s pop lyrics, a la Pat Benetar. I'd
hazard a guess that it was another case of the band not working with the
singer, and having the vocals tacked on my the movie producers in a bid
for commercial appeal.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
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>Really-From: 'Craig Shipley'
>As far as sampling devices that replicate the 'Tron, doesn't the E-Mu
>Vintage Keys have a couple of 'Tron samples that replicate the sound pretty
>accurately, right down to the eight-second sample length? As this is a 2U
>rack-mount jobbie, it seems that it would be easier to cart around than a
>Model 400 (plus it has a lot of other old keyboard sounds available). Just
>some bits of info that I have picked up here 'n there...
Actually, Emu got it backwards: their Mellotron samples loop while the
Chamberlin samples cut off. But yes, I much prefer carrying my Vintage
Keys to gigs rather than my Mellotron.
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>ur musical environment...if everything u listen to is measured
on a td
>yardstick, ur gonna miss out on so much great music out
there...and the
I agree, but I've always found that, after listening to TD, much
e-music just sounds like a cheap imitation.
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> It does but the US cut mixed it with libary music while the
European (shorter) cut used the entire >GOBLIN score as well as some
additional scenes. It is availible on Japanese laser in a box set of
>both versions as well as several boot companies. Its known as the
ARGENTO EDIT.
The one I have I taped from a friend who ordered from an ad in
Fangoria magazine. The first two tracks did appear, but the African one
and the country one did not, although the movie had the same _kind_ of
music. Not sure about the others.
Speaking of Goblin, have you ever heard the Tenebrae soundtrack?
It's also by Goblin, and very good. There are a couple of weak,
disco-ish tracks,but there are some others that are really good.
For the unitiated, Goblin is an Italian progressive-electronic
band. Their stuff is similar to Force Majeure.
Scott
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At 09:03 21/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>After playing it again, I have to admit that it is a cool track. Mellow
>Froese guitar and nice percussion by Franke. But for some reason I kept
>hearing Pink Floyd's 'Careful with that Axe Eugene'. I know people have
>posted before of other tracks similar to Pink Floyd, like Shy People, but
>has anybody made this correlation?
>
Hi, Vic
You speak about Pink Floyd. I can say you that all the first albums of TD are
very very influenced by PF, specialment 'Alpha Centaury'.
I'm sure that Edgar like very very much 'A Saucerful Of Secrets' (me also!)
Pepe
JOSÉ FERNÁNDEZ GARCÍA
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I am also a Goblin fan. They are just like TD, only they are more rock
oriented. If you just want to try a sample of their stuff, go out and buy The
Goblin Collection-1975-1989. You wont be sorry. It's incredible!!!!
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taDREAMERS,
Yes GOBLIN is very similar to TD in fact, it's what got me hooked on TD. Goblin
has done several movie scores, and their most famous member is CLAUDIO
SIMONETTI a keyboardest who's best work is on the Creepers soundtrack . He also
has several remix albums very similiar to the Dream MIxes albums. CHeck em out.
The two tracks to which Scott refers are in the original US and the directors
cut recently rereleased on video here last week.I do have almost all of their
soundtracks Scott on Vinyl and cd.
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> It does but the US cut mixed it with libary music while the
European (shorter) cut used the entire >GOBLIN score as well as some
additional scenes. It is availible on Japanese laser in a box set of
>both versions as well as several boot companies. Its known as the
ARGENTO EDIT.
The one I have I taped from a friend who ordered from an ad in
Fangoria magazine. The first two tracks did appear, but the African one
and the country one did not, although the movie had the same _kind_ of
music. Not sure about the others.
Speaking of Goblin, have you ever heard the Tenebrae soundtrack?
It's also by Goblin, and very good. There are a couple of weak,
disco-ish tracks,but there are some others that are really good.
For the unitiated, Goblin is an Italian progressive-electronic
band. Their stuff is similar to Force Majeure.
Scott
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On Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:29:17 -0700, tadream@c... (tadream
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>Heh heh, here's part two. If you don't get it...let me explain. It's
>basically lifting the older TD above the crap now spewing from the band.
Made me laff. Almost as much as Troll's Truncheon.
Anyone heard Tournado (groan - I'd want a brown paper bag for anything
as naffly-named as that) yet? I'd appreciate some idea of what to
expect at the forthcoming gig.
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Hi everybody!
A friend of mine is seeking tickets for the uk tour in november,
London prefered. Is somebody able to help him?
Please answer to: georgfrank@c...
I'm still unsure about London, but if there's a chance to get a
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>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:05:20 GMT
>Really-From: Paul Nagle
>
>On Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:29:17 -0700, tadream@c... (tadream
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>
>>Heh heh, here's part two. If you don't get it...let me explain. It's
>>basically lifting the older TD above the crap now spewing from the band.
>
>Made me laff. Almost as much as Troll's Truncheon.
Yup, I laughed pretty hard, too, even though I thought Part One was
better. By the way, what's this 'Troll's Truncheon'???
>Anyone heard Tournado (groan - I'd want a brown paper bag for anything
>as naffly-named as that) yet? [. . .]
You mean you don't think ROCKOON is an equally bad pun? Well, as a
warning, I must tell you that TOURNADO is only marginally better than
ROCKOON. It sounds like someone RUBYCON REVISITED-ized a bunch of TD
studio tracks and added some applause. ;)
Oh, and here's a joke I thought up while in the gym tonight:
BOOGIE NIGHTS: a movie about pecker snot for snotty peckers. Hee hee.
-- Steven Feldman
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Scott: Caleb's Blues sounds like a throw back to 60's rock n roll; since
I am familiar with that era, yes, I like it. Good Times is its equal. However,
my favorite on that album is Father and Son which seems similar to many of the
tracks on Firestarter, a personal favorite. It took me awhile, not being much
into Ambient, but I really appreciate Bus Station now, too. Dell Oh, excuse me
IMO. :-) (for Tom) LOL
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>
> >NP - Dawn of the Dead soundtrack-Goblin
> Great soundtrack! Even though the soundtrack music doesn't
>appear in the film.
>
> Scott
>
>
Scott, I recently purchased the directors cut laserdisc of Dawn of the
Dead and I do believe that some of Goblin's music is in the movie. I
will have to double check.
An excellent movie by the way!
- Matt
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Thank you, Tom; I was really afraid you'd come after me with teeth bared.
I bleed easily. I know what you say about missing other music is probably
true, but perhaps you can't miss what you don't know. Fact is, I do measure
everything by a TD yardstick. I'm open to suggestions, though. Any other sites
on this computer that has samples of music you think are good? I'll check them
out if you insist. Dell
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In a message dated 97-10-21 16:20:55 EDT, you write:
<< I agree, but I've always found that, after listening to TD, much
e-music just sounds like a cheap imitation. >>
agreed, but the key word is much, and theres much out there...
tom w
np: orb - denver 1997
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Previously on !tadream, tadream mailing list said:
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
> Yup, I laughed pretty hard, too, even though I thought Part One was
>better.
MAN! I'M GETTIN SO FED UP OF THESE 'OLD JOKE' FANS! DJS HAS THE RIGHT
TO TAKE THE JOKE ANY WAY HE WANTS. IF U DON'T READ AND LOVE EVERYTHING
U ARE NO TRUE FAN!
>By the way, what's this 'Troll's Truncheon'???
Just keep on the bad pun line, you'll get it.
>>Anyone heard Tournado (groan - I'd want a brown paper bag for anything
>>as naffly-named as that) yet? [. . .]
> You mean you don't think ROCKOON is an equally bad pun?
Amazingly, I don't think it is. I came across the word (probably in New
Scientist). In the early days of space launches they looked at a
combined rocket and balloon. The balloon floats the rocket as high as
it can to reduce fuel load. Of course when they got v.Braun they went
the ballistic missile route, but people are now looking at the rockoon
concept again.
Hmm, now I've written this it sounds pretty implausible. But I swear
it's true...or at least I dreamed it. I'm not making it up! Look, no
winkey!
JC
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In a message dated 97-10-20 17:22:31 EDT, you write:
<< Oh Oh...Tome goes into his lower case attack mode.........
>>
not at all...im always curious as to why people consider 'td to be the
greatest band of all times' and what their reasons are ,for example, to buy a
td release before a ks release....
tom w
np: stereolab - denver 1996
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Hi all,
Not being a dab hand at e-mail, I was just curious as to why when
I mail majorodomo I get a response usually within 1-2 minutes, yet
when I post to the list it takes about 30 minutes. It's not that
I'm bothered, but as they're are both on the same site, I couldn't
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explain that to an e-mail lamer? :-)
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Subject: Scott Plumer
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So sorry to hear about Scott's demise (at his own hands).
I hope you'll all join me in offering deepest sympathies
to his friends and family. :-)
Lawry.
np - Caleb's Blues! Track 1 - Near Dark Soundtrack.
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> The song 'Brother or Stranger' ran over the
> end credits. Horrible. Cheesy 80s pop lyrics,
> a la Pat Benetar. I'd hazard a guess that it
> was another case of the band not working with
> the singer, and having the vocals tacked on
> my the movie producers in a bid for commercial
> appeal.
Just to be different - I really like this song! I agree it
has some similarities to Pat Benetar, but what's so
bad to have a Pat Benetar song with TD doing the
music?
It is a nice little pop tune, probably one of the most
commercial-sounding TD has ever done, but quite
successful at that. Probably the closest TD ever
got to a 'New Wave' song, Jerome should be
happy...
And it definitely has one thing going for it: The
vocals (voice of the female singer) are among
the better vocal TD efforts. I think they are better
than Tyger, Shy People, Legend and Cyclone and
probably even better than Chi Coltrane's
I Want To Rule My Own Life Without You, though
I can see this last one being a matter of taste.
Hilmar
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At 10:16 22/10/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Not being a dab hand at e-mail, I was just curious as to why when
>I mail majorodomo I get a response usually within 1-2 minutes, yet
>when I post to the list it takes about 30 minutes. It's not that
>I'm bothered, but as they're are both on the same site, I couldn't
>work out why there was a huge discrepancy. Does anyone wish to
>explain that to an e-mail lamer? :-)
Maybe because a Majordomo mail must write you personally, and an owner mail
to the list must send about 300 copies of each message to the customes? };-)~
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I agree with a lot of the comments made on the list, Thief is ,IMO, TD's best
soundtrack, it is both the best stand alone piece of music and it also fits
the mood of the movie perfectly.
Probably this question has been answered on this list many times, but bear
with me, I am fairly recent subscriber to the list, the USA version of the
Thief S/T has a song called 'Confrontation' which was not written by TD, Does
anybody know if it was performed by TD? If not, who performed it?
IMO it is the second best song in the sountrack after 'scrap yard'.
Near Dark and The man inside are also excellent S/T
Bye
Marcelo G.
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>>Not being a dab hand at e-mail, I was just curious as to why when
>>I mail majorodomo I get a response usually within 1-2 minutes, yet
>>when I post to the list it takes about 30 minutes. It's not that
>>I'm bothered, but as they're are both on the same site, I couldn't
>>work out why there was a huge discrepancy. Does anyone wish to
>>explain that to an e-mail lamer? :-)
>Maybe because a Majordomo mail must write you personally, and an owner mail
>to the list must send about 300 copies of each message to the customes? };-)~
>Miguel
Yes, okay, I'll have that. (Fairly obvious I suppose.)
Thanks,
Lawry
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HI Vic
Happy Birthday!!!
lars
PS: Paul, don't listen to tournado before the concert! just go and enjoy
the vintage set, it was fantastic in the euro 97 incarnation! Silver Scale
(aka Logic) was just long enough to start me spacing! (or maybe that was
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: Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm)
: Not being a dab hand at e-mail, I was just curious as to why when
: I mail majorodomo I get a response usually within 1-2 minutes, yet
: when I post to the list it takes about 30 minutes. It's not that
: I'm bothered, but as they're are both on the same site, I couldn't
: work out why there was a huge discrepancy.
Because I have the mailer that processes all the mails to all of the
lists queue messages so they are processed once every half hour. With
Majordomo, each mail gets it's own process and is handled immediately.
The reason for this is when there is lots of traffic on the lists, a
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** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... :
>PS: Paul, don't listen to tournado before the concert! just go and enjoy
>the vintage set, it was fantastic in the euro 97 incarnation! Silver Scale
Great. Looking forward to it big-style.
>(aka Logic) was just long enough to start me spacing! (or maybe that was
>just the 'fumes' in the Amsterdam air--pity you didn't make it!)
I really kick myself for missing KLEM but I was kinda 'out of it'. I
think I had a good day, despite the accidental visit to Rotterdam....
Maybe next year....
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On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:58:55 +0200 tadream mailing list
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>
> Hi everybody!
>
> A friend of mine is seeking tickets for the uk tour in november,
> London prefered. Is somebody able to help him?
> Please answer to: georgfrank@c...
>
> I'm still unsure about London, but if there's a chance to get a
> ticket, maybe I will come, too.
>
> Thanks in advance, Stephan
As far as I know, you can still book tickets at the
Shepherd's Bush Empire itself. If you have a Switch or
credit card, call 0181 7407474, give them your card number,
and book your tickets (seated or standing, both at £16.50).
They'll post the tickets to your house after that, and in
my case, they were really quick (only about 5 days).
Dennis
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In a message dated 97-10-22 07:12:01 EDT, you write:
<< Thank you, Tom; I was really afraid you'd come after me with teeth bared.
>>
naaa...i save that mode for informers and/or people who attempt to infringe on
my right to talk about bootlegs...
I'm open to suggestions, though. Any other sites
on this computer that has samples of music you think are good? I'll check them
out if you insist.
i dont insist, but i dont think the world revolves around td either....its
kinda difficult to say 'td is the greatest' if one doesnt listen to anything
else, dont u think? in terms of samples, i guess they are pretty much all over
the place...all the labels and web-sites seem to have them, and id highly
recommend the hyperreal site for an intro to the 'ambient' realm...im sure
others on this list can also give u suggestions....
tom w
np: spawn soundtrack
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Subject: RE: UK tickets
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> As far as I know, you can still book tickets at the=20
> Shepherd's Bush Empire itself. If you have a Switch or=20
> credit card, call 0181 7407474, give them your card number,=20
> and book your tickets (seated or standing, both at =A316.50).=20
> They'll post the tickets to your house after that, and in=20
> my case, they were really quick (only about 5 days).
>
> Dennis
They will also hold the tickets at the door for your arrival
if mailing them to you is not appropriate.
Lawry
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To my knowledge that final track does not contain ANY TD music...
Am I wrong??????
To me it doesn't even seem possible...Quite unlike the mysterious closing
piece on THIEF (US version) composed by Craig Safan, but played by ?????
MJ
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At 10:16 AM 10/22/1997 +0100, Lawry wrote:
>Not being a dab hand at e-mail, I was just curious as to why when
>I mail majorodomo I get a response usually within 1-2 minutes, yet
>when I post to the list it takes about 30 minutes. It's not that
>I'm bothered, but as they're are both on the same site, I couldn't
>work out why there was a huge discrepancy. Does anyone wish to
>explain that to an e-mail lamer? :-)
>
Oh, this one is easy. Majordomo is an automatic responder. Quick
as mercury. Posts, though, go directly to Mr. Datta. He checks
the spelling, grammar, and TD content. Writes the posts down on
3X5 cards, files them in alphabetical order, cross references
them by urgency AND import, archives them, backs up the archives,
sends the posts to the local server censor, checks with
administration to make sure that he hasn't missed anything, then
mails them by certified mail to the FBI, just in case the post is
in a code of some sort. Then, and only then, it gets posted on
the newslist. :-)
But seriously... you can send a piece of e-mail next door to you,
same ISP, same server, and it may take as many as 25 hops (or
more) to get to its destination. Same piece of mail sent to
Australia (from the US) may take half as many. Same piece of mail
send three times, will take three different routes. Such are the
vicissitudes of the Internet. And its wonder.
All of the above, without knowing anything about the manner in
which our posts are actually handled by the cs.uwp.edu server.
Andrew :-)
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> Quoted From: Michael A Jean
>
> To my knowledge that final track does not contain ANY TD music...
>
> Am I wrong??????
>
You are right! (not right that you are wrong, but you are right that TD
had nothing to do with the song... :-) )
> To me it doesn't even seem possible...Quite unlike the mysterious closing
> piece on THIEF (US version) composed by Craig Safan, but played by ?????
>
question as well.
While on the subject of non-TD songs on TD S/T's, I'm sure that most
people here know that TD had nothing to do with 'Is Your Love Strong
Enough' on the Legend soundtrack. But I also seem to remember hearing
that David Gilmour played guitar on the track, and also the PF bassplayer
at the time (not Waters, but I can't think of his name) also playing
bass. Is this correct? (I might have heard it here, but I dunno)
Dave Brewer
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Mike Jean said -
> > To me it doesn't even seem possible...Quite unlike the mysterious closing
> > piece on THIEF (US version) composed by Craig Safan, but played by ?????
> >
Then I said (?) -
> question as well.
>
Actually, the server must've belched again. This is what it should have said:
question as well.
Not that anyone would really care, but this should make a little more
sense. :-)
Dave B.
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>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>PS: Paul, don't listen to tournado before the concert! just go and enjoy
>the vintage set, it was fantastic in the euro 97 incarnation! Silver Scale
>(aka Logic) was just long enough to start me spacing! (or maybe that was
>just the 'fumes' in the Amsterdam air--pity you didn't make it!)
Sorry to eavesdrop on this 'PS to Paul Nagel/Angel/Angle', but why is Silver
Scale aka Logic? I know it's aka Church Theme (from Wavelength). Is there
another version of it somewhere?
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> Actually, the server must've belched again. This is what it should have said:
> question as well.
>
Dammit! Errrrrr, forget it. I guess the server doesn't want me to share
the info. :-( Time to stop using up bandwidth, and get back to TD.
Dave B.
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> Scott: Caleb's Blues sounds like a throw back to 60's rock
n roll; since
>I am familiar with that era, yes, I like it. Good Times is its
equal. However,
Yes, but even 'Jeepster for Your Love' has some novetly value.
The producers of the film would have been much better off getting a real
rock band to do a song for Caleb, IMHO. I think that's probably TD's
worst track ever. Of course, it's not used in the movie. . .
Scott
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Really-From: Gaza Grand Master of Gazitsu
Hi
thought I'd come out of lurker mode to say I got my ticket for
Birminghan Symphony hall. Anyone else going?
Not many It would seem cos when I got to the ticket shop and asked
whether there were tickets available the young and rather attractive
lady had a look on her computer and answered 'oh yes rather a lot
actually' and got a seat about 10 rows from the front. Cool
Gaza
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>>After playing it again, I have to admit that it is a cool
track. Mellow
>>Froese guitar and nice percussion by Franke. But for some
reason I kept
>>hearing Pink Floyd's 'Careful with that Axe Eugene'. I know
people have
>>posted before of other tracks similar to Pink Floyd, like Shy
People, but
>>has anybody made this correlation?
>You speak about Pink Floyd. I can say you that all the first
albums of TD are
>very very influenced by PF, specialment 'Alpha Centaury'.
>I'm sure that Edgar like very very much 'A Saucerful Of
Secrets' (me also!)
It's interesting, though, that when Edgar lists the people who
have influenced him in the Turn of the Tides liner notes, he mentions
Roger Waters but not the whole band. . .
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Subject: Is your stomach strong enough? (was:RE: Flashpoint Vocals???)
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>While on the subject of non-TD songs on TD S/T's, I'm sure that
most
>people here know that TD had nothing to do with 'Is Your Love
Strong
>Enough' on the Legend soundtrack. But I also seem to remember
hearing
>that David Gilmour played guitar on the track, and also the PF
bassplayer
>at the time (not Waters, but I can't think of his name) also
playing
>bass. Is this correct? (I might have heard it here, but I
dunno)
I kinda doubt it, for a few reasons:
1. David Gilmour has a signature sound that is not present on
the track. I'm a big fan of PF and I've never failed to notice his sound
in the past.
2. Guy Pratt joined Floyd on their 87 - 90 world tour, but did
not play with them before then. Plus, they had no recorded output from
1983 (The Final Cut) until 1987 (Momentary Lapse). So they essentially
did not have a bass player from 1983 to 1987.
Scott
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Really-From: Jim Moore
> Hi
> thought I'd come out of lurker mode to say I got my ticket for
> Birminghan Symphony hall. Anyone else going?
For a moment I thought you were talking about
Birmingham, Alabama... Boy, that'd be a site...
'I object to all this sex on the television... I keep
falling off!' -- Graham Chapman
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
Sorry to bother you guys with some more plugging, but
I've uploaded some MPEG3 audio-files on my page.
The samples are from my new track and I hope to release
the new CD somewhere in begin '98.
I had to remove some WAV-files in order to 'fit' the other
files. Only got about 2MB.
Let me know if there are any problems.
Marcel
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>Subject: Re: TD humor prt 2
>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:58:35 +0100
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>Really-From: John Christian
>
>[. . .] IF U DON'T READ AND LOVE EVERYTHING U ARE NO TRUE FAN!
Uh, okay; I see: just because I have over 70 TD records and solos
(I've got doubles on some and some alternate pressings, and 12's), and
over 100 TD-related CDs, I'm 'no true fan' because I don't love every
little thing Edgar's ever done? Gimme a break. I might like the band
a lot, but I've got taste, too. Some TD is not God's gift to music. If
you don't think so, I'm happy for you. I wish I could derive as much
satisfaction from my fave band as you do.
>> You mean you don't think ROCKOON is an equally bad pun?
>
>Amazingly, I don't think it is. I came across the word (probably in New
>Scientist). In the early days of space launches they looked at a
>combined rocket and balloon. The balloon floats the rocket as high as
>it can to reduce fuel load. [. . .]
Yeah, well, the word is in my *Webster's*, too. So? Somehows, I
don't think jet-powered dirigibles is what Edgar had in mind. I think
it's much more likely that he was thinking along the lines of a pun on
'Rock on' and 'Raccoon,' as in the Beatles song, 'Rocky Raccoon.' Then
again, you *could* say that the ROCKOON album is fast and full of hot
air, which would, after all, make it akin to a rocket and a balloon. ;)
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Folks,
I am not subscribed to the spacemusic list, but nevertheless
received two messages from Chuck van Zyl about Klemdag that are not only
highly informative, but relevant to this list since there is quite a bit
said about RMI (Radio Massacre International), The Nightcrawlers, and
Ashra. For those who don't know, Chuck has two solo albums out on CD
and has collaborated with Nightcrawlers head honcho Peter D. Gulch for
years--both in the group, Xisle (composed of Zyl, Gulch, and D. Andrew
Rath)--and on CD on the album, REGENERATION MODE. Additionally, Chuck
has hosted a spacemusic radio show for over 7 years and is the co-owner
--with Peter Gulch--of the spacemusic label, Synkronos (which put out
the REGENERATION MODE CD, by the way).
Two highlights of what you will find below if you choose to read
it are 1) Wolgang Flur (of Kraftwerk fame) buying TOURNADO, and 2) the
fact that the Nightcrawlers CD made its worldwide premiere at Klemday.
Okay; on to Chuck's messages:
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Subject: KLEM Dag '97 Review
|Hello|
Chuck van Zyl here, host of 'Star's End' on WXPN Philadelphia. Last week I
went over to Holland for KLEM Dag '97. I thought that all of you might like
to learn about what the festival was like. I'm sorry for the length but I
wanted to be as comprehensive as possible... cvz
|KLEM: Kontact List of Electronic Musicians|
Based in The Netherlands, KLEM is an organization devoted to the promotion
of Electronic Music. KLEM focuses on Spacemusic and The Berlin School but
also New Age, Contemporary Instrumental and to a lesser extent Prog Rock.
KLEM publishes a wonderful newsletter/magazine several times a year, the
contents of which are written entirely in Dutch. In a typical issue the
reader will find: articles, music reviews, interviews, photos,
discographies, news, concert announcements, adverts, editorials, etc. all
relating to the international Electronic Music scene.
A web site with more information about KLEM can be accessed at
http://wwwps.uci.kun.nl/~matheu/klem/klem-en.htm
or KLEM may be Emailed at
klem@w...
KLEM is also well know for the KLEM Dag events, of which there have been
ten years worth. More like a one day convention, KLEM Dag takes place in
Autumn in the city of Nijmegen, The Netherlands. The highlight of the event
are the concert performances. Over the years KLEM Dag has hosted concerts
by well known and not so well know names in the field of Electronic Music.
The line-up is truly international and democatically selected; based on
votes tallied from the previous year's KLEM Dag. In years past performers
at KLEM Dag have included a wide range of artists in electronic sound:
Suzane Ciani, Patrick Kosmos, Michael Garrison, Paul Haslinger, Robert
Schroder, Ian Boddy, Solitaire, TeeKay, Mind Over Matter, Ron Boots, John
Dyson, Steve Roach and others.
When the live music is not happening in the main hall, video presentations,
demonstrations and (sometimes) more concerts are happening in one of the
smaller rooms in the complex.
In the reception area outside the large concert hall the KLEM Dag visitor
will find a variety of vendor stalls. Among them: labels, mail order
services, synth retailers, artists, used CDs & vinyl, magazines, radio
shows, space art and anything else you can think of relating to Electronic
Music.
As many as 2000 Electronic Music enthusiasts, mostly from Germany, Belgium,
The Netherlands and other parts of Europe attend KLEM Dag each year. KLEM
Dag is a very good place to meet others with a shared interest in music and
even a better place to meet: the artists making the music, the labels
putting it out, the businesses selling it, the radio shows presenting it
and the journalists reviewing it.
The admission price for KLEM Dag '97 was 33 Guilders ($17-$20US).
|KLEM Dag '97|
The concert line-up for KLEM Dag '97 was split into two sections, an
afternoon concert at 12:45pm with N-Force, follwed by Radio Massacre
International and an evening concert at 8pm with Michael Stearns followed
by the headliner Ashra.
Throughout the day videos were playing in the Videozaal. Baraka and Chronos
featuring music by Michael Stearns, a new video from Paul Haslinger, a
video presentation by Wolfgang Flur and others were scheduled.
The advertised Bernd Scholl/Nik Tyndal concert in the Annazaal, must've
been cancelled.
|N-Force|
The solo act N-Force, also known as Norman Friedenberger of Germany, opened
the concert portion of KLEM Dag '97 by performing pieces from his new CD
'Collector' (on Spheric Music). The music was warm, accessible, enjoyable
and not very demanding. I'd have to compare N-Force with Asana in that they
both seem to be interested in combining aspects of old school melodic
Electronic Music with the infectious rhythms of today's Techno. To achieve
this end, N-Force brought quite a bit of gear including a computer,
samplers, synths, mixer and modules. Making an already wonderful light show
even better was the addition of a laser. As the beams cut through the
theater one would almost think that a impossibly massive structure of light
was passing just overhead. The N-Force set lasted about 45 minutes with no
breaks in the music. At the conclusion, audience reaction brought N-Force
back for a very simple yet effective encore performed using only the
arpeggiator on one of the multitude of synths on stage.
N-Force on The Web http://www.memi.infotour.com/musiker/nforce
|Radio Massacre International|
RMI are a trio from England following the path laid down by Tangerine Dream
on releases like 'Rubycon' 'Phaedra', 'Encore' and 'Ricochet'. Using guitar
and both modern and vintage (Mellotron most notably) equipment, RMI use the
live environment to 'feel' their way through a concert with often lengthy
improvisational encounters. RMI must choose some kind of direction to
follow before proceeding into the concert because some of the pieces
performed coincided with tracks found on their new CD 'Knutsford in May'
(on Centaur Discs). RMI's KLEM Dag concert lasted well over an hour with a
few breaks and remarks to the audience. It was very refreshing to
experience a concert where the outcome is not exactly known. Through
improvisation RMI chart new sonic territory each time they play, the best
part being that they take the audience with them.
RMI on The Web http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~nsedley/rmi
|Michael Stearns|
The evening concerts began with Michael Stearns. Stearns lives in Santa Fe,
New Mexico in the USA and it was mentioned that this KLEM Dag appearence
was to be his only European concert. It seems ironic that I had to go all
the way to Europe to be at a concert by an artist from The States, but such
is the state of things here in the USA. I guess the reason Stearns does not
perform out live more often is because he is too busy working on music for
the film industry. Maybe this too is the reason why there has not been a
'proper' CD release from Stearns in such a long time. Recently we've seen a
3' CD, soundtracks, collaborations, edited re-issue anthologies and the
occasional contribution to a CD sampler, but not really music made by
Stearns expressly for the sake of and to be experienced as a full length
solo CD release.
Stearns began the concert rather uniquely; all that was heard was the
simple sound of a woman singing with gamelan accompaniment coming from a
boombox on the stage. Stearns soon made his entrance, took off his boots
and remarked to the audience that he'd wanted to give us some Small sounds
since there'd been so many Big sounds from the stage that day. To the music
coming from the boombox he slowly added layers of the typical huge Stearns
sound from his samplers, synthesizers and CD players and gently got the
concert underway. Stearns knew where he was taking us and we were going
inside, inside him and inside ourselves. His performance contrasted the
other concerts that day and actually contrasted itself as well. This
concert remains unique in my experience. Stearns covered alot of ground
sonically. There were very grand, beautiful moments where a piece would
build up with synth washes, deep bass growls and his own voice, producing a
feeling of bliss and light; later, just as easily, he'd be exploring the
darkest reaches of some sonic underworld, using subtle synth timbres,
samples of sacred stones, the Lyra sound constellation and his Beam
instrument. Stearns played for what seemed like under an hour. Personally,
it would have been more enjoyable if instead of breaking to talk to the
audience several times throughout the concert, Stearns had presented his
performance as one lengthy piece, bringing the audience into his Sound
World and keeping us there for a while.
Stearns on The Web http://www.nets.com/stearns
|Ashra|
After a brief intermission, the biggest audience of the day filled up most
of the seats, the lights dimmed, three musicians took the stage (synths,
guitar and drums) and we began to hear a loop from 'Echo Waves'. The
musicians started in and the music was going for a few minutes before Ashra
leader and founder Manuel Gottsching came out and began jamming on guitar
and later on synth. This was quite a wonderul experience because, having
listened to this piece and this music for so many years, it was
extraordinary to hear an updated variation live. I also had to come to
terms with what amounted to a living legend effortlessly performing his
art. It was a singular experience for me to hear the source, to hear one of
the founders of the Spacemusic genre, one who has influenced so many and is
so widely imitated. Every guitar player in the Spacemusic genre will no
doubt pay tribute to Gottsching, but hearing the real deal for the first
time was, for me, a significant experience.
Somewhere during Echo Waves I realized that the musicians were having some
serious fun up on the stage. I could feel it even though I was in the
balcony, in just about the last row of the hall. It was as if a feeling of
positivity was floating through the hall. I've been at enough concerts to
know when something is 'happening' up on the stage and I got this feeling
big time for Ashra.
After each set of music the audience responded very enthusiastically and
ultimately with a standing ovation, bringing the group back for an encore.
Ashra on The Web http://www.southern.com/mmm/ashra.html
|Everything Else|
Alot of attention is paid to the concert portion of KLEM Dag, but there are
other aspects to the event.
|Videzaal|
While waiting for the evening concerts to start, I went into the Videozaal.
Just by luck the new Paul Haslinger video was playing! I got a great
impression from just the few minutes I saw of it, but couldn't come up with
any information about its availability. Can anybody out there help?
|Vendors|
It is a great deal of fun to visit all the stands and check out new music,
and there is a ton of it. Many labels wait till KLEM Dag to release their
new CDs so there are always lots of people milling around the vendor
tables. Just about every vendor had means for the potential customer to
preview CDs before purchase, so if you wanted to check out the sound
quality of that live T Dream bootleg recorded in 1977 or hear what the
latest from Bernd Kistenmacher sounded like, you could.
|People|
From the minute I got to the front door till the minute I left KLEM Dag I
was running into people I knew or wanted to know: Steve Dinsdale (of RMI)
needed a hand carrying in CDs, Wolfgang Flur (of Kraftwerk) complaining
that he'd spent too much on the 'Tournado' CD, Dave Law's (Neu Harmony)
invitation to play live at Jodrell Bank, thanking Mario Schonwalder
(Manikin) for his fine work on The Nightcrawlers CD, asking Adrian Beasley
(Air Sculpture) about their concept of live music, Mark Jenkins' (Amp)
invitation to play live in London, chating up the Star's End Gathering CD
to Jorge Strawe (Cue), Arndt Maschinski (Ardema) and Mick Garlic & Carl
Jenkinson (Sequences), speaking with Dirk Serries (Vidna Obmana) about
coming to do a Star's End Gathering and introducing him to Andy Garibaldi
(C&D) and even meeting up with a friend from home. There is so much
opportunity at KLEM Dag. No where else in the world does there exist a
Gathering of this magnitude.
|Frits Cowenberg|
Although KLEM is run by what appears to be some kind of board or council,
Frits is the most visible. It is rumored that he spends upwards of 50 hours
a week working on keeping KLEM going. I assume that this is in addition to
his paying 'day job'. This is a great deal of work and commitment. It's a
tough job running the biggest and most prestigious Electronic Music
organization in the world. I sincerely admire and appreciate the dedication
shown by the people running KLEM and consider myself fortunate to have had
my life enriched though their fine efforts. So Thank You Frits and everyone
else involved in KLEM. I hope that you will somehow find the strength and
resources to carry on you work for years to come and that the rewards
continue to make KLEM a worthwhile cause for you.
Thanks,
Chuck van Zyl
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From: chuckv@p... (Chuck van Zyl)
Subject: KLEM Dag Pt 2: Travelling Backwards
|The Nightcrawlers|
Although there are many things to tell about KLEM Dag '97, I want to share
with you one of the main reasons I went to the event this year.
Manikin Records of Germany is one of Europe's many Electronic Music labels
that wait until KLEM Dag to release new CDs. Several months ago my friend
Peter Gulch was contacted by Mario Schonwalder about re-releasing the three
legendary Nightcrawlers LPs as a double CD retrospective on Manikin. An
agreement was struck and Peter sent copies of the master tapes to Manikin
and waited.
As planned, on October 11th, at KLEM Dag '97, The Nightcrawlers CD
'Travelling Backwards' was released and for the first time their music is
available on CD. It is hoped that now The Nightcrawlers will get the
recognition they deserve and their place be known in the history of
Spacemusic.
The group began as two brothers who, in the '70s, were so influenced by the
then new Electronic Spacemusic coming out of Germany, that they gave up all
other pursuits to focus attention on searching out more music by the heroes
of the day: Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Popol Vuh, Ash Ra Tempel,
Cluster and even Kalheinz Stockhausen.
Upon aquiring their own means of expressing themselves musically in the
German School mode, The Nightcrawlers formed and began taping jam sessions
in their garage, ultimately producing 35 cassette releases and almost
single handedly launching the cassette underground.
Throughout the '80s The Nightcrawlers were prolific concert perfomers and
should be given credit for contributions to the then new Electronic Music
scene here in Philadelphia. Before the introduction of MIDI and today's
more stable and compact music equipment, perfoming Spacemusic live was a
considerable task. Always showing up at concerts with a truckload of gear,
The Nightcrawlers would take hours to set up. Through their efforts in
concert, The Nightcralwers influenced many individuals to explore the idea
of making their own music, helped develop new venues and brought to the
attention of an unaware public that Electronic Music existed and is more
than just a studio art.
At the time of their first self titled LP, The Nightcrawlers were one in a
group of only about three or four American Spacemusic artists who
independently released their own music on vinyl.
A total of three LPs were released by the Nightcrawlers: 'The
Nightcrawlers' (1983), 'Space Walk' (1985) and 'Shadows of Light' (1987).
All tracks from the three LPs fit onto the 'Travelling Backwards'
retrospective.
Thanks to Mario Schonwalder of Manikin Records for working hard to bring to
light a piece of Spacemusic history.
Contact:
Manikin Records
Postbox 450274
d-12172 Berlin
Germany
tel/fax: +49 30 7121540
http://www.manikin.de
Email: manikinms@a...
Chuck van Zyl
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http://www.starsend.org
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Date: Wed Oct 22, 1997 10:57
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Subject: the meaning of macula transfer
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Really-From: 'Herod, Galen (NBC)'
A long time ago, I looked up macula and its basic meaning is 'spot'.
Its the root word of immaculate, which means 'spotless'.
Take a look at the cover if you have it.
Those pictures are the result
of Monique spinning a camera while photographing things.
She transfers spots from one place to another in those photos.
Therfore, Macula Transfer.
That's what I always though it meant.
G
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Subject: Re : Soundtrack
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Really-From: FredYargui@a...
Dans un courrier date du 20/10/97 08:20:00 , vous avez ecrit :
> H) Wavelength contains one of the most annoying tracks ever recorded
> (Airshaft)
Yes, maybe, but this track and one another featured in the tv-film 'miriam'
from a series with 'commissaire schimansky' (this is french version, does
anyone know the german version - original?)
you add moorland and daydream and you have the total film movie score from
this 'miriam'
ps for tv/film fans : this story (miriam) was a bit annoying... except a
touch of humour...
greetings to all, fred
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Scott: Actually, I just think it shows one more facet of TD's
versatility to play a rock 'n rollish song. They've tried every style except
country music it seems. Now, wouldn't THAT be a HOOT! LOL Dell
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Subject: Re: TD humor prt 2
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Really-From: John Christian
Previously on !tadream, tadream mailing list said:
>>[. . .] IF U DON'T READ AND LOVE EVERYTHING U ARE NO TRUE FAN!
>
> Uh, okay; I see: just because I have over 70 TD records and solos
>(I've got doubles on some and some alternate pressings, and 12's), and
>over 100 TD-related CDs, I'm 'no true fan' because I don't love every
>little thing Edgar's ever done? Gimme a break. I might like the band
>a lot, but I've got taste, too. Some TD is not God's gift to music. If
>you don't think so, I'm happy for you. I wish I could derive as much
>satisfaction from my fave band as you do.
Easy there! I wasn't making any comment on your musical taste...read
the original again, it doesn't mention music at all, just the joke.
It's a _spoof_ of exactly that attitude. Sorry if a smiley was
required, I thought the caps-on rant would be a bit of a give away. And
if anyone is not a 90s TD evangelist, it's me. I've barely heard
Rockoon (and that was plenty, thanks).
Next time, maybe i'll go for
>
>>> You mean you don't think ROCKOON is an equally bad pun?
>>
>>Amazingly, I don't think it is. I came across the word (probably in New
>>Scientist). In the early days of space launches they looked at a
>>combined rocket and balloon. The balloon floats the rocket as high as
>>it can to reduce fuel load. [. . .]
>
> Yeah, well, the word is in my *Webster's*, too. So? Somehows, I
>don't think jet-powered dirigibles is what Edgar had in mind. I think
>it's much more likely that he was thinking along the lines of a pun on
>'Rock on' and 'Raccoon,' as in the Beatles song, 'Rocky Raccoon.' Then
>again, you *could* say that the ROCKOON album is fast and full of hot
>air, which would, after all, make it akin to a rocket and a balloon. ;)
I imagined he'd picked on the word, and liked the idea that people would
think it was a lame pun, and then later be enlightened and think
how clever he was. It always seemed wrong that it was just a
play on words, because Raccoon has no significance, and isn't a cool
exciting word. He/they do seem to like these make-you-think words, just
look at the macula thread running now, the remote viewing thread some
time back.
--
John Christian
for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc.
for AirSculpture
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Subject: Re: Babylon 'Blank' Track
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Really-From: 'Janne Salmijärvi'
In Tangerine Dream Mailing List quoth tadream mailing list (tadream@c...):
> Really-From: Vic Rek
> This track is on the CD, but is blank. Well almost. Actually there
> is some noise recorded from the 1:08 to 1:14 mark.
Yeah, 'noise' is the end of the track with the usual end-of-track-crash.
> Can anyone confirm this issue?
Yes, I (and several friends of mine) have asked about this from Sonic Images
and they've responded (which I reported here earlier, some weeks ago) that
it is indeed an error on Avalon, and they're repressing (should be finished
by now) the disk, with the track corrected. First pressings are now collectors
items. ;-) The impression I got from the note was that they'd be sending the
replacement disks as they are finished to those who ordered and received
the faulty first pressing. We'll see ...
-jhsa
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
Well it seems some of you have problems
downloading the MPEG3-files.
It works perfectly with MS Internet Explorer,
but somehow it doesn't seem to work with Netscape.
I will try to figure it out asap. I just don't know what
I'm doing wrong.
It's best to stop accessing my page, untill I get
it all working. Damn computers!?*
Watch this space for the final 'go'.
Marcel
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At 02:03 23-10-97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>While on the subject of non-TD songs on TD S/T's, I'm sure that most
>people here know that TD had nothing to do with 'Is Your Love Strong
>Enough' on the Legend soundtrack. But I also seem to remember hearing
>that David Gilmour played guitar on the track, and also the PF bassplayer
>at the time (not Waters, but I can't think of his name) also playing
>bass. Is this correct? (I might have heard it here, but I dunno)
>
> Dave Brewer
>
Yes, that's correct. The bass player is actually Guy Pratt, a musician who
toured with the Floyd in 1987/1988/1989 and 1994.
Is Your Love Strong Enough was released as a single, and is also on some
pressings of the Bryan Ferry 'Bete Noire' album.
It is, by the way, great to have three personal faves of mine on one CD,
that is Tangerine Dream, Jon Anderson and David Gilmour, unfortunately not
all performing on one song. The rest of the CD, I mean the TD material,
doesn't move me at all. But the collaboration between TD and Jon Anderson is
a great one. TD performed Loved by the Sun as an encore in 1988 in an
instrumental version.
Wouter.
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Craig writes:
>Sorry to eavesdrop on this 'PS to Paul Nagel/Angel/Angle', but why is
Silver
>Scale aka Logic? I know it's aka Church Theme (from Wavelength). Is there
>another version of it somewhere?
-- I imagine the first name change had to do with legal issues... why the
second? maybe the same but I don't know; other verisons? yes, on some live
material from 1980 but, of course, it wasn't named ;-)
lars
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Subject: Elf June
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Really-From: Michael Hirschi
Does anyone have a copy of the sheet music for Elf June and the Midnight
Patrol that used to be on the TADREAM home page? I did, but I've lost
most of the pages.
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Subject: Wanted !
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Really-From: Rainer Rutka
HI !
Where can I get these CDs ? I'm living in Germany and can't go to the
UK-concert. (I have been in Munich).
The Keep A few pre-sale copies will be on sale
TimeSquare Dream Mixes II - start of pre-sales
Ambient monkeys In huge demand: the pre-concert music and sounds
- strange stuff!
(from the Homepage)
Thank you very much !
Rainer Rutka
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tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
>
>
> Well it seems some of you have problems
> downloading the MPEG3-files.
>
> It works perfectly with MS Internet Explorer,
> but somehow it doesn't seem to work with Netscape.
Well, Netscape users, stop calling names to Marcel ;-) because there's
still a chance that you can play the samples without having to download
them again. Go to the 'Cache' directory under your Netscape folder, and
look for files with the mp3 extension. There might be a chance that a
copy of Marcel's MPEG3 files are still there, and if so, they will play
perfectly.
This same problem happened a few months ago with Morgan web page. He
solved the problem when he zipped the files. Marcel, you can do the
same, or you can take a look at Grant's web page, because his MPEG3
files work fine with Netscape. I can't give you more help on this,
because I don't 'speak' HTML.
BTW, the samples are great!
Antonio
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I finally found a 'solution' for everyone.
Man, I tried and tried almost all day to figure
out what went wrong with the MP3-files.
The answer is: I still don't know!!.
I even copied bits of code from other sites and put in
my MP3 file instead of them and it still didn't work
whereas the others worked.
I now used MP3 compressor. With this program I can
compress the files as MPEG3 and save the file as a
WAV-file.
The only drawback is that is in mono. It doesn't compress
in 22050 kHz stereo. Only mono. It does stereo from
32000 and upwards.
First I used L3ENC and it compresses very well in stereo
but the output is only in MP3.
Well, I better stop now. Maybe I can find a program that
compresses in stereo with a WAV-output.
For Netscape users: click on the samples and wait till
the whole file is downloaded, now you can play the music.
For Int. Explorer users: click on the samples and save
it to disk.
I really wanted to present it in stereo, because it's so much
nicer. But it's just the way it is for now.
WHIOIAaaa (don't mind, this is how I feel right now)
Marcel
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Subject: Re: Planetary Traveler
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Really-From: Jorge Moreira
Hello,
Yesterday I received the 'Planetary Traveler'.
It is a marvelous, a masterpiece of sc-fi. work.
All that images was played by a computer.
The Music is from Paul Haslinger and he have a help by Cristopher Franke
with programing percussions and 'his' 'Berlim Symphonic Film Orchestra'.
Thiss is a Fantastic music and in my point of view, like 'Babylon 5' but
better.
I recomend all.
Best Regards,
Jorge Moreira.
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Subject: Finally 'Solution'
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
I've send this file about 2 hours ago and haven't
seen it on this list, so I'll send it once again.
I finally found a 'solution' for everyone.
Man, I tried and tried almost all day to figure
out what went wrong with the MP3-files.
The answer is: I still don't know!!.
I even copied bits of code from other sites and put in
my MP3 file instead of them and it still didn't work
whereas the others worked.
I now used MP3 compressor. With this program I can
compress the files as MPEG3 and save the file as a
WAV-file.
The only drawback is that is in mono. It doesn't compress
in 22050 kHz stereo. Only mono. It does stereo from
32000 and upwards.
First I used L3ENC and it compresses very well in stereo
but the output is only in MP3.
Well, I better stop now. Maybe I can find a program that
compresses in stereo with a WAV-output.
For Netscape users: click on the samples and wait till
the whole file is downloaded, now you can play the music.
For Int. Explorer users: click on the samples and save
it to disk.
I really wanted to present it in stereo, because it's so much
nicer. But it's just the way it is for now.
WHIOIAaaa (don't mind, this is how I feel right now)
Marcel
Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm
Email :fsp@p...
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Subject: Noise in 'Ages'
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Really-From: Antonio Nunes
I've posted this message a few months ago, but there was no answers
then. Now, since we are in the D:Ages week, I think this is the right
time to repost it.
Did anyone else notice a short noise in track #3 (Tropic of Capricorn)
of the Virgin CD 'Ages'? At 12:36 of this track there's a short noise,
as if a volume control or another device with a bad electric contact was
switched. Apparently, this noise seems to be present only in the left
channel. Does anyone else hear it? It is also present in the LP?
Antonio
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Fred: I just have to jump in here WMO: you guys are getting used to this
by now :-). Re: Wavelength, Air Shaft: I like it! Having seen the movie, the
sound here is a good echo of what it must be like to try to be silent while
crawling through a cold, dark ventilation shaft. Every movement would sound
as loud as that banging tune. You can even hear the voices from above
filtering down. You can feel the pinging drops of cold water, or cold sweat
falling as they near the place where the alien voices emanate.
If you want irritating repetition, how about Love on a Real Train? Why
would anyone want to put that on a compilation three times? The gauntlet is
thrown. Dell
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Subject: Title-less STRATOSFEAR Covers
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Howdy Guys 'n' Gals,
I came across a copy of STRATOSFEAR without the title on the cover
for the first time in years, and was wondering if this is a collectible
or if nobody really gives a shit. For those who don't know what I'm
talking about, the first US pressing of STRATOSFEAR had no title on the
front cover, but instead had a clear sticker on the shrinkwrap where the
title that we all know and love has appeared ever since. (The same thing
is the case with David Bowie's 1971 RCA album, HUNKY DORY, by the way.)
I looked for a mention of this in VOICES IN THE DUNES, THE DREAM
LIVES ON, *and* MYSTERIOUS SEMBLANCE (okay, so I forgot to look it up in
DIGITAL GOTHIC: I assumed it wouldn't be there), to no avail. How is it
that -- once again ;) -- I know something that they don't (or at least
didn't think to mention)? ;)
So, are copies of STRATOSFEAR without the title printd on the front
collectors' items, or no?
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Yes, TD *did* do a country song!
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>Subject: Re: Recommended Soundtracks
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:14:44 -0400 (EDT)
>Really-From: AOutland@a...
>
> Scott: Actually, I just think it shows one more facet of TD's
>versatility to play a rock 'n rollish song. They've tried every style
>except country music it seems. Now, wouldn't THAT be a HOOT! LOL Dell
Huh? Which is their rap track? Which is their reggae dub? Which
is their punk groove? ;)
Seriously, though: TD *did* do a country track, and it's pretty
good, even though it is instrumental (i.e., sans vocals) and only in a
movie, not its corresponding soundtrack album. What movie am I talking
about, you ask? FIRESTARTER. The tune in question plays at the point
where Charlie (the Drew Barrymore character) and her father (the David
Keith character), ride in the pickup truck down the driveway to the
country house of the Art Carney and Louise Fletcher characters. I wish
this was on the soundtrack album. It's not hootinanny music, but it
sounds more like country (or TD trying to do country like they tried to
do techno on THE DREAM MIXES, anyways) than anything else.
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
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FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty.
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Subject: Ok voila le message!!!
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Really-From: Claude Roy
Bon, il semblerait que tu n'as pas recu
le message d'hier, sorry!! mais la
j'utilise le nouveau logociel EudoraPro4. C'est l'enfer mais la, je crois
qu'il
n'aime pas ta machine!!!???
Voici le mail#58;
Salut Nancy!
Le p'tit s se fait avec alt et ; sur mon clavier francais. Si tu utilises
le clavier anglais, c'est la touche a gauche de 1.
Samedi j'ai pas ose te deranger ,tu semblais tres occupe. De mon cote, la
job de samedi et dimanche etait plate en chier!! pas grand action pour le
juge-arbitre. Et pis moi pis Yan, s'est pas l'amour fou (si tu comprends
ce que je veux dire!!). J'ai fait ma béa de la semaine.
Qu'est-ce qui rentre dans l'ordre, ma cher!
Comme ca on reprend du service sur le net. Installe InternetExplorer4 car
c'est tres bien. Et oui! je suis moins mechant face a Microsoft explorer.
Un tres bon gestionnaire dans le browser.
Pour ma part, je suis toujours en train de negocier pour un contrat avec
la fede et ca commence a bouger. demain jeudi je rencontre l'etat major
de la fede. Envoit-moi des ondes positives.
Bye bye!
PS si tu cherches des logiciels fait moi signe car j'ai surement ce que
tu cherches...Hi! hi!
At 16#58;25 97-10-22 -0400, you wrote#58;
>Salut Claude,
>
>Hé oui je suis toujours vivante.
>J'aimerais savoir comment on fait pour faire le petit s de
côté, c'est
>alt-xxx. Je ne me souvient plus et sinon je ne peux plus aller dans
ma
>pageweb.
>
>Alors quoi de neuf?
>
>Moi pas grand chose à part que les choses rentres dans
l'ordre.
>
>bye
Claude Roy
Longueuil, Qc.
Canada
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Date: Fri Oct 24, 1997 3:21
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Subject: Le cd arrive samedi!!
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Really-From: Claude Roy
Pour le cd d'echec, ca arrive samedi, Jef vient a Montreal
pour un party
de retrouvaille et il va revoir son ex pour la premiere depuis leur
separation (il y a 3 ans).
As-tu ton compte internet? grouille-toi.
en passant, mets toujours ton message avant mon texte car je viens
de voir des details de la jeune demoiselle et un peu plus et ca passait
inapercu tout ca. Reste calme, je sens que ca s'en vient plus vite que tu
le crois. les minettes sont ratoureuses!!
De mon cote, miss complexe m'envoit un message mercredi pour avoir
de mes nouvelles. Crisse je comprends plus rien. Je passe la journee au
complexe samedi et rien, elle me jase meme pas (trop occupe) puis la!
elle veut des news!! fouille-moi je comprends rien a son histoire. Je
suis le correspondant e-mail... un detail interessant mercredi est ca
premiere journee de travail depuis samedi. Que dois-je comprendre?
Rien calvaire, la grosse brume epaisse. On se croirait a Londres sur
le bord des Docks...
Une autre pas pire pour toi. Une copine de Jef veut me voir.
Semble-t-il
que je semble interessant? Je reviens souvent dans la conversation
de Jef et ca pique sa curiosite... commentaire: aucune idee sur le type
de fille. Jef me raconte ca live samedi ou dimanche. Il avait l'air bizz
quand y m'a compte ca.
What out ce weekend le nouveau movie de Mr. Shallowgrave et
Trainspottiing. Ca semble tres drole et je vais voir ca samedi avec
Phil!
Donne-moi des news de ta Nicky Skidly Didly!!
Claude Roy
Longueuil, Qc.
Canada
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Subject: Re: Yes, TD *did* do a country song!
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Really-From: Georg Veltmann
tadream wrote:
> Seriously, though: TD *did* do a country track, and it's pretty
> good, even though it is instrumental (i.e., sans vocals) and only
> in a movie, not its corresponding soundtrack album. What movie am I
> talking about, you ask? FIRESTARTER. The tune in question plays at
> the point where Charlie (the Drew Barrymore character) and her
> father (the David Keith character), ride in the pickup truck down
> the driveway to the country house of the Art Carney and Louise
> Fletcher characters. I wish this was on the soundtrack album. It's
> not hootinanny music, but it sounds more like country (or TD trying
> to do country like they tried to do techno on THE DREAM MIXES,
> anyways) than anything else.
Strange coincidence! Just yesterday I watched that scene in
austrian TV. I had only a short look into Firestarter on ORF1, just
to see some film with wellknown TD music in the background. And
strangely that country track popped in my ear. First I thought: No,
that ain't TD, but after listening carefully, I recognized the sound
of the instruments as TD. Very strange!
There are some other odd soundtrack pieces by TD which are played
in the background of a movie scene, if I recall right. Isn't there a
piece played only on the car radio?
Georg
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
First of all thanks to all the people sending me mail
about the MP3-files and the up/download thing.
I found it, I found it! (with a childs voice).
I found a program which compresses 22kHz, 56kBit/s,
stereo and saves in WAV-format.
So for the people who still wants to download the files
they can now listen to it in stereo.
For the ones who already downloaded the files, well they must
decide if they want to dowload and wait again.
I'm a happy man again. Now I'm going for Grants samples (didn't
got a change to listen to them).
And you're right, Grant. I don't want this list to be a Appreciation
Society too.
Marcel
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Now I'm going back to lurking mode.
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Subject: Re: Title-less STRATOSFEAR Covers
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>Really-From: Steven Feldman
> So, are copies of STRATOSFEAR without the title printd on the front
>collectors' items, or no?
I'm sure they may be worth something to the collectors which try to obtain
every TD release on vinyl - there are a few of these people around. Usually
they would want to trade for it instead of purchasing it, because it is
sometimes difficult to put a price on TD items.
But since you have a totally worthless item here, I recommend that you send
it to me immediately for my inspection - you have my address Steven ;-)
Vic
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Really-From: Michael Hirschi
Hello, Antonio,
I remember reading an article that answered your question. That noise
was
from an error in the setup of the electronics. The noise was noticed,
but
instead of editing out the noise, it was left in for effect. I don't
remember the exact details of the article and, I don't remember where I
read
the article. I do remember that the article was either on the official
TD
homepage, or some other TD homepage. I'll look for that article, and if
I
find it, I'll let you know the address of the page.
Hope this helps
Mike
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I've posted this message a few months ago, but there was no
answers
then. Now, since we are in the D:Ages week, I think this is the
right
time to repost it.
Did anyone else notice a short noise in track #3 (Tropic of
Capricorn)
of the Virgin CD 'Ages'? At 12:36 of this track there's a short
noise,
as if a volume control or another device with a bad electric
contact was
switched. Apparently, this noise seems to be present only in the
left
channel. Does anyone else hear it? It is also present in the LP?
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I made an error in my last reply about the noise in Ages. I said that
the noise was noted, but not edited out. The error I mentioned was in
Phaedra not Tropic of Capricorn. The article I was referring to is on
the official TD homepage under 100 and More Questions and Answers;
question/answer #85. Sorry about the misinformation.
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I've posted this message a few months ago, but there was no
answers
then. Now, since we are in the D:Ages week, I think this is the
right
time to repost it.
Did anyone else notice a short noise in track #3 (Tropic of
Capricorn)
of the Virgin CD 'Ages'? At 12:36 of this track there's a short
noise,
as if a volume control or another device with a bad electric
contact was
switched. Apparently, this noise seems to be present only in the
left
channel. Does anyone else hear it? It is also present in the LP?
Antonio
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Subject: TD also scored a 'footloose' track!
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> >Subject: Re: Recommended Soundtracks
> >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
> >Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:14:44 -0400 (EDT)
> >Really-From: AOutland@a...
> >
> > Scott: Actually, I just think it shows one more facet of TD's
> >versatility to play a rock 'n rollish song. They've tried every style
> >except country music it seems. Now, wouldn't THAT be a HOOT! LOL Dell
>
> Huh? Which is their rap track? Which is their reggae dub? Which
> is their punk groove? ;)
> Seriously, though: TD *did* do a country track, and it's pretty
> good, even though it is instrumental (i.e., sans vocals) and only in a
> movie, not its corresponding soundtrack album. What movie am I talking
> about, you ask? FIRESTARTER. The tune in question plays at the point
> where Charlie (the Drew Barrymore character) and her father (the David
> Keith character), ride in the pickup truck down the driveway to the
> country house of the Art Carney and Louise Fletcher characters. I wish
> this was on the soundtrack album. It's not hootinanny music, but it
> sounds more like country (or TD trying to do country like they tried to
> do techno on THE DREAM MIXES, anyways) than anything else.
Watch the pilot to Street Hawk and you'll hear a putrid rendition of the
title song for footloose when Jesse Mach is working out. It completely
dates the film. If nothing else, it's worth a hundred laughs. Its one of
the rare tracks I would pray they never release in any format.
Captain Dan!
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> Really-From: AOutland@a...
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> Fred: I just have to jump in here WMO: you guys are getting used to this
> by now :-). Re: Wavelength, Air Shaft: I like it! Having seen the movie, the
> sound here is a good echo of what it must be like to try to be silent while
> crawling through a cold, dark ventilation shaft. Every movement would sound
> as loud as that banging tune. You can even hear the voices from above
> filtering down. You can feel the pinging drops of cold water, or cold sweat
> falling as they near the place where the alien voices emanate.
> If you want irritating repetition, how about Love on a Real Train? Why
> would anyone want to put that on a compilation three times? The gauntlet is
> thrown. Dell
All this fuss over 'airshaft' and in the meantime...how many of you
listen to Schulze's repetitious boring, endless, mindless, overrated
droning sequences? Airshaft was a track obviously intended for ambience
and little more. The track does it's job and sets a dark mood. I happen
to like it. After all, it WAS scored for a movie and not a studio album.
Then we'd have a different arguement.
Regards,
Dano
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>The 70's may be back in the states, but the spirit doesn't seem alive
>in the U.K. Several wire reports late Thursday night have disco
>legends the BEE GEES storming off a British talk show after its host
>poked fun. The BBC's Clive Anderson joked and jabbed the brothers as
>the 400 strong youth audience jeered and heckled...
Anybody see this? Must have been fun!
Mike
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>Subject: Re: Re : Soundtrack
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> If you want irritating repetition, how about Love on a Real Train?
>Why would anyone want to put that on a compilation three times? [. . ]
I dunno. To make money, maybe? ;)
In case you didn't know, there already *is* a record with 'Love on
a Real Train' three times, but it's not a compilation album. Its name?
THREE O'CLOCK HIGH.
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>Subject: Re: Re : Soundtrack
>Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:22:59 -0700
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>Really-From: DJS
>
>> Really-From: AOutland@a...
>>
>> If you want irritating repetition, how about Love on a Real
>> Train? [. . .]
>
>All this fuss over 'airshaft' and in the meantime...how many of you
>listen to Schulze's repetitious boring, endless, mindless, overrated
>droning sequences? [. . .]
Not *me*! ;) Hee hee.
>[. . .] Airshaft was a track obviously intended for ambience
>and little more. The track does it's job and sets a dark mood. I happen
>to like it. After all, it WAS scored for a movie and not a studio album.
Yup. I once made a tape called A FEW PSYCHEDELIC TANGERINDE DREAM
TUNES FOR DOUBTING THOMASES, and 'Airshaft' figured prominently on it.
There is a similar track on Edgar's KAMIKAZE 1989 soundtrack that I
like almost as much (but I can't remember the name of it. I think it's
the third or fourth track on the album).
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: bauman lp
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I have a Peter bauman lp in mint shape for trade. It's Romance 76 and it comes
with an tape transfer of the lp ( for you vinyl impared fans). Trade preferred.
Email me off list at:
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tanks!
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Steven: I am not familiar with any country music in Firestarter: I guess
I will have to see the movie again. However, as far as the other styles you
mentioned:
rap: Change of the Gods-Dream Mixes
reggae: ok, ya got me there; as I listen to good ol Bob Marley, I can't
think of anything TD has done that matches that wonderful rhythm
punk: sorry, I have no idea what that is supposed to sound like: I'm
kinda outta the loop there
My point, however, was that TD seems to appeal to all different kinds of
tastes. I have seen people on the Web page rave over pieces that, though I
thought were ok, were not my favorites. Likewise, I have seen comments
against what I thought was wonderful. There is no classifying TD. I have
found them in record stores under rock, jazz, new age, ambient, sound
track-you really have to search for them sometimes. Ok, I won't look under
opera! LOL Dell
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Does anybody know if the Shepherd's Bush Empire ticket office
accepts American Express card? If they don't, what cards do they accept?
Could anybody post the phone number again? The post that dealt with these
arrived full of confusing non printable characters to me..
Thanks a lot,
Juan
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
I am looking for a mail-order source by which I can order Jerome Froese's
debut solo release, THE SHRUBS HAVE EYES. Loosely based on Les Krayven's
cult 70s B-movie. It is not an electronic album; Jerome locked his father
out of the studio. Jerome and Zlatko Perica share vocal and lead/rhythm
guitar duties, with bass chores handled by Bob Daisley (who's sharing an
apartment with Johannes) and featuring drums by T'iar Aigh'tow'ait.
Reportedly, the cd is sounds like a head-on collision between Steely Dan,
Steppenwolf and Dio. I have only heard the radio edit of the cd's first
track, 'Cheeks All Over U' on KLOS FM (Los Angeles). Any information would
be greatly appreciated.
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Steven: Make money from Love on a Real Train? Really? Somehow, I don't
think so. Or...... please explain to me,since I am not a musician, what it is
about this song that turns everybody on? There is sooo much that is better.
To me. IMHO
I re-listened to 3oclock and only found Love twice: Go to the Head of
the Class and Bonding by Candlelight. But no matter, once is enough. I do not
blame TD for using previous material. Time constraints must have been
strenuous on the number of movie soundtracks they had to work on. And yet,
some, nay most, of the music that comes out of the tracks is the greatest!
My reference to Love being done three times comes from a letter to this
page a few weeks ago regarding putting together an album of favorites from
the different labels. There is so much to choose from and I thought the
choices for the most part were fine, but I can't understand the hangup on
this one particular song. Please explain. If I were going to listen to a song
three times, it would be Death of a Nightingale or Dolls in the Shadow or gee
I can pick one from any album. Dell
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OK, finally got some time to post my comments about this one.
I listened to it twice this week, and I don't remember it being as bad as I
thought the first week I had, it after which I never listened to it again,
until
today--and that was over a year ago.
It's a perfectly middling kind of album--it lacks the technical and
compositional adroitness of _Stuntman_, but also doesn't share much of the
intimacy and emotion of _Macula Transfer_. Though Edgar has said it was put
together at a very emotional time in his life, I don't think this really comes
through in the music very well; how the album's almost austere minimalism
reflects what he was going through at the time, I can't imagine. Despite
comments to the contrary, I think this album is the least distinctive of
Edgar's
solo output (excepting maybe _Beyond The Storm_), in setting itself apart from
the contemporary TD. The music features a lot of sounds which would be used
over the next 3-4 years on future TD albums, especially _Cyclone_ and _Force
Majeure_--'Nights of Automatic Women' could be a warmup for 'Madrigal
Meridian'.
Also, I think that what sets Edgar's albums apart from the nearest TD is that
they usually tend to have a brighter, almost 'iridescent' concentration of
timbres, _Pinnacles_ being the most exceptional example (but that's another
D-week). By and large, I don't feel this is true of _Ages_, the only exception
being 'Children's Deeper Study'.
With this album, there is less stress on the Mellotron, and for the first time
Edgar is using real synths in a prominent lead role (although there is the
lengthy solo on Mello-flute from 'Era of the Slaves'). And it's obvious. The
tuning and vibrato on the lead voices is so off and excessive that it's almost
painful (for me) to bear. The guitar solos sound rather dry and grainy, and
are
delivered in what seems to me a very matter-of-fact kind of way, with none of
the intensity usually characterizing Edgar's guitar solos (but I don't think
Edgar had quite come to terms with his technique yet); although in 'Golgotha'
ypu can hear the groundwork being laid for some of the late '70s/early '80s
work, and this solo itself is, IMO, not too unlike the one on 'Magic Lantern'.
Most of the synth solos are nothing to write home about either, IMO, working
within an extremely restrictive harmonic compass and providing only mediocre
showcases for Edgar's keyboard talents (and I *know* he can indeed do better).
The minimalism, which works--programatically speaking--on 'Metropolis' (with
the
implied images of those big machines and their essentially robot-ized human
servants) is carried to its extremes on 'Children's Deeper Study'--otherwise
the
least melodically conventional piece (for Edgar)--and 'Ode to Granny A.' (aka
'Hobo march'); a more perfect piece of filler I've never heard. I am tempted
to
recall comments by Glenn Gould pertaining to his opinion of Beethoven's
'Appassionata' sonata when listening to this piece.
['Children's Deeper Study' has certain timbral and structural similarities to
the more recent 'Great Barrier Reef', which, despite its similar development,
is
a much better effort IMO, and never fails to carry me away for the short time
it
lasts.]
Yet, these times 'round, the album seems less painfully minimalistic than it
was
the first couple of times. The long buildup in 'Icarus' was tolerable, and I
could in fact visualize this piece in terms of the myth (if anyone wants me to
expound on it, I'll try). The drum intro to 'Pizarro and Atahuallpa' didn't
seem to drone on for so long. The sequencer line from 'Nights of Automatic
Women' seemed softer and less perseverative. Most strikingly, the piano part
in
'Tropic of Capricorn's' second section sounded almost like something that might
have been penned by the younger Paul Haslinger (and that was a big surprise!).
Yes, Klaus Kruger's drumming really did make a positive difference to many of
these pieces, on this only album of Edgar's besides _BtS_ where percussion
plays
such a prominent role.
Nonetheless, I am forced to say that _Ages_ does not enjoy an exalted position
in my album collection. I am forced to give it a 3AS for the same reason I
scored _Lily On The Beach_ the same way--there's some really bad stuff here,
some pretty good stuff (maybe), but nothing I think is so outstanding it ranks
with the artist's finest moments.
Gabe
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Um, is this somebody's idea of a bad joke?
If so, you've succeeded in stinking out the joint!
Gabe
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>
>
> Steven: I am not familiar with any country music in Firestarter: I guess
> I will have to see the movie again. However, as far as the other styles you
> mentioned:
> rap: Change of the Gods-Dream Mixes
Uh, do you mind explaining why this one reminds you of rap? Sure, there
are some trip-hoppy-type drum patterns throughout all of _Dream Mixes_,
but if any 1 track comes close to (c)rap, it's 'Bride In Cold tears
(Mowtown Monk mix)'.
> reggae: ok, ya got me there; as I listen to good ol Bob Marley, I can't
> think of anything TD has done that matches that wonderful rhythm
Nor anything that woulkd approach ragga, dancehall, joyride, tuk, etc....
> punk: sorry, I have no idea what that is supposed to sound like: I'm
> kinda outta the loop there
well, maybe some of their early '70s stuff is closest in structure and
concept ;)
> My point, however, was that TD seems to appeal to all different kinds of
> tastes. I have seen people on the Web page rave over pieces that, though I
> thought were ok, were not my favorites. Likewise, I have seen comments
> against what I thought was wonderful. There is no classifying TD. I have
> found them in record stores under rock, jazz, new age, ambient, sound
> track-you really have to search for them sometimes. Ok, I won't look under
> opera! LOL Dell
Amen.
real email addresses: gabe@c...
gyedid@p...
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Subject: Edgar Loves His Son, Jerome Pt. VI
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EDGAR LOVES HIS SON, JEROME PT VI
(THE FINAL COUNTDOWN)
THE STORY SO FAR: Edgar finally tires of playing 'Love On A Real Train'
live. Jerome looks like Roseanne. Linda rejoins. Zlatko quits. Jerome adds
more gel/mousse. (not necessarily in that order). And Steve Stevens,
formerly of Billy Idol's band, has joined Edgar on stage--both musicians
wielding Flying 'V' guitars--and they're ready to CRANK IT UP...
'Let's do eet, Steve!' Edgar yells (when did he change into that Rob
Halford-era Judas Priest leather outfit, anyway???!?!!).
'Ten-Four, man!' Steve acknowledges.
The sounds which next emanate from the pair's guitars are hard to
describe, but just play Blue Oyster Cult's 'Extraterrestrial Live' and
Slayer's 'Divine Intervention' (or ANY of their cds!) and you'll get the
idea *chng-chng-chng-chng-chng-chng-chng*
SUDDENLY--
--the power goes out.
'What?! Schwingungen!' Edgar screams. 'Dere's been a power failure
somewhere--or deed somewhere DARE downmix me???!!!'
'No, Edgar,' echoes a chorus of voices from Stage Right (no pun intended),
sounding divine, ghostly, yet very much alive and matter-of-fact, 'it's
US....'
From Stage Right, Klaus Schulze (all of him), Manuel Gottsching (holding
the plug), and Steve Shroyder (just tagging along) walk onto the stage. The
crowd goes into a feeding frenzy, human piranha spasming violently over a
sea of stained carpet and fold-up seats, cheering relentlessly. Yet,
somehow, over this obscene din, the Holy Tribunal of KMS shouts:
'SHUUUUUUUUT UUUUUP!!!!!'
'That's better,' Klaus says. 'Edgar, we can't let you do this...you've
profaned the Holy Sacrament of Electronic Music.'
'Yeah,' Manuel adds. 'Elana wanted to get all over your ass, but we had to
restrain her.'
'Once you were like a guiding light in an eerie, aural wilderness,' Steve
says, 'but now....'
***Steve Stevens: Man, what are these guys on? Where can I get some?
(leaves the stage)***
'You eediots sound like dat dumkopf on 'Days Of Our Lives,' Edgar says.
'What da hell are you talking about??!!'
'When you signed to Private Music, that was the edge,' Klaus says. 'Then
you signed to Miramar....'Turn of the Tides'? 'Goblin's Club'? Who do you
think you are? Pat Metheny?'
'Leave that stuff to Al Di Meola,' Manuel says. 'Oh, and Elana thinks I'm
a better guitar player than you. And she's being nice; want to know what
Archie thinks?'
'Yeah,' Steve says.
'I DON'T GEEV A DAMN WHAT DOSE DEGENERATES THINK!' Edgar shrieks.
'Tangerine Dream ees about emotional music. And if I make music dat elicits
emotion, even if eets negateev, den FINE!!!!!!'
'Oh, yeah?' Klaus harrumphs.
'YEAH! At least I actually play instead of holding down keys vit lead
weights, Klaus!!' Edgar shouts. The audience suddenly is very
quiet....Klaus looks out toward the concertgoers..people are crying,
beating their fists in the air, shouting obscenities...soon the chant grows
louder: Klaus...sucks! Klaus sucks!! KLAUS SUCKS!!!!!
'Er...eh...*ahem*' Klaus sheepishly grunts, then about-faces and trudges
right offstage. Steve leaves with him, adding:
'He owes me taxi fare!! See ya, Ed!!!'
'Well, what about me, Edgar?' Manuel asks. 'I really play, just like you,
and we both use sequencers ad nauseum!!!!!!'
'Vant to start up a band?' Edgar asks.
'Suuuuuure!!!!!' Manuel extends his hand to Edgar, and they both engage in
'The Clasp.' Ian Anderson (front row, kinda off to the left) stands up and
offers to perform 'The Clasp' with Edgar and Manuel, but is booed out of
the theater by concertgoers.
Jerome adds a small dab of translucent-green gel just above the right ear
(some things NEVER change!!!!)....
************************************
EPILOGUE
June 14, 1998: The first CD release by Tangerine Tempel: 'DreamRa, SunRain
in a Green Desert, Parts I-XV' is issued by TDI.
July 5, 1998: Melody maker interview with the band appears. Jerome fails
to show because he is stuck in a long line at the supermarket with a
shopping cartful of Alberto V05 Hot Oil Treatment(s).
September 28, 1998: the beginning of a twenty-two date North American Tour
begins--at the Wiltern Theatre in Los Angeles, of course.
December 25, 1998: Jerome leaves the band to raise seals in Greenland, or
somewhere way out there....Linda Spa is featured in a minor role in Quentin
Tarantino's latest blood-drugs-sex-crime epic.
THE END!!!!!!!!!!!
I lovingly dedicate this four-part mini-epic to Edgar and company, a.k.a.
Tangerine Dream and its members past and present, for all the years of
wonderful music that has resulted thereof.
Oh, yeah: MARK SHREEVE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Sat Oct 25, 1997 10:00
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Subject: D: Ages
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
I like this album a lot, although there are some, IMO,
very bad pieces on it. I always skip Children's deeper study.
Highlight of the album for me is: Tropic of Capricorn.
I like the piano-part with the low mellotron-strings on the
background.
Some tracks could have been worked out more, because
they stay in the same kind of mood.
On the CD-version they should have left Children's out and
let Golgatha and the Circle closes in, that would do the
album better.
I wonder if there's a CD-version with green fonts as there
were also a blue and a green version of the LP.
Anyone ever wondered why he called the album Ages?
Is it because of: himself, childern's deeper study (Jerome) and
granny A? Probably.
Marcel
Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm
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Subject: Re: Compilation cd
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> Really-From: ashok prema
>
> Thanks Tom for your review - nice to see you in person at KLEM.....was
> anyone else from the list there??
Yes, I´ve bought your sampler at the KLEMdag.
And I´ve asked you if you are THE ASH from the tadream-list...
> if you bought 'Is There Anybody Out There' a brief review for other
readers
> would no doubt assist them into deciding whether to purchase it.
The most interesting tracks for tadreamers are:
Redshift: Ether (live at Jodrell Bank Dec ´96) [7:32]
Styled like Ricochet/Encore;
It´s from the forthcoming new CD.
AirSculpture: Krell Metal [9:54] (exclusive release)
Great sequences with melodies/solos.
Berlin school sequencing with a fresh new sound and lots of ideas...
Radio Massacre International: Pyramid [9:52] (exclusive release)
Great mellotron stuff in the style of phaedra/rubicon.
Every single track is worth the money, IMO.
Most of the other tracks are good too.
> But hey........the price is low to buy it anyway!
Yes, go for it !
But be warned! If you´re suffering on a shortness of money avoid this CD at
all costs.
If you like 70s TD styled music, you´ll buy this one first, will be
addicted and have to buy
the complete catalogues of Airsculpture (beginning with the brilliant
Europa...),
Radio Massacre International (the new 'Organ Harvest' is a bit tasty),
Redshift (The new track is better than the first CD, IMO), etc...
The only thing which is missed on that brilliant sampler is an Ian Boddy
piece,
live at Jodrell Bank, f.e, but you can´t have all for 5 pounds ;-)
If you like to hear more abort the best british synthesizer artists you
should
subscribe the GoldTri-list.
BTW:The GoldTri list is a co-operative list where a discussion means
well-educated people talking
about something (no flame-wars at all). We are respecting our different
tastes.
If you confirm with these you´re welcome :-)
Jens (spelled 'Yense')
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Subject: Re : Re: tadream-digest V16 #77
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Dans un courrier date du 21/10/97 13:25:44 , vous avez ecrit :
> >TD content:
> >Just bought a couple of old TD releases. How come that Thief as
> >Virgin SBM is titled as 'Tangerine Dream Live' ?
> >I think it is a shame that all Virgin SBM have the same booklet
> >(cover pictures of all Virgin releases and that same story) The
> >Essential releases (just bought Livemiles) are a lot better.
> >
> >Georg
> >
>
> My copy of the SBM 'Thief' has the same error, just like the SBM CD of
> 'Exit'. Speaking of that 'Exit' CD, I wonder what kind of drunken person
> typed the back cover and the CD. It says 'Purple of Pilots Twighlight' and
> mentions 'Remote', instead of 'Remote Control'. Strange.......it's more or
> less easier than a title like 'Mysterious Semblances at the Strand of
> Nightmares'.
>
> I agree that the Essential remasters are much better, the drawback is yet
> another almost complete 'Poland'.
>
> By the way....keep those TD jokes coming !!!
>
> Wouter.
>
And I remember you that I already find out the 'REPBULIK' instead of
'REPUBLIK' on the remaster od PREGAMON (warf!)
drunken or dislexic?
by the way, isn't it 'remote viewing' and not 'remote control'?!
dreamy goodbyes, FreD
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Subject: gold tri
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'Yense' writes:
>BTW:The GoldTri list is a co-operative list where a discussion means
>well-educated people talking about something (no flame-wars at all).
>We are respecting our different tastes. If you confirm with these you´re
welcome :-)
-- so, what you're saying is that goldtri members are better people than
the uneducated and unruly masses on tadream? Snifffffff?, is that the
distinct stench of a holier-than-thou-attitude? And what's this about no
flame wars? Sounds more like mutual repression--call Dr. R when you're
ready for some therapy; you can't bottle it up forever! ;-)
lars
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>
>
> Could anybody post the phone number again? The post that dealt with these
> arrived full of confusing non printable characters to me..
>
> Thanks a lot,
> Juan
>
0181 7407474.
Dennis
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 08:44 AM 10/25/1997 -0400, Lars wrote:
[....]
>'Yense' writes:
>>BTW:The GoldTri list is a co-operative list where a discussion means
>>well-educated people talking about something (no flame-wars at all).
>>We are respecting our different tastes. If you confirm with
these you´re
>welcome :-)
[......]
>-- so, what you're saying is that goldtri members are better people than
>the uneducated and unruly masses on tadream? Snifffffff?, is that the
>distinct stench of a holier-than-thou-attitude? And what's this about no
>flame wars? Sounds more like mutual repression--call Dr. R when you're
>ready for some therapy; you can't bottle it up forever! ;-)
>lars
C'mon in, Lars..The water is fine! :-)
Andrew
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
'Yense' writes:
>>BTW:The GoldTri list is a co-operative list where a discussion means
>>well-educated people talking about something (no flame-wars at all).
>>We are respecting our different tastes. If you confirm with these you´re
>>welcome :-)
>-- so, what you're saying is that goldtri members are better people than
>the uneducated and unruly masses on tadream?
Oops, I´ve forgotten that some of the dreamers are a bit too sensible...
NO, gold tri members aren´t better than the masses on tadream since
most of them are members of the tadream list too.
No offence indeed, Lars.
> Snifffffff?, is that the distinct stench of a holier-than-thou-attitude?
Nope, gold tri is nothing else than an ADDITION to the tadream and
the space-music list. But if you´re talking ´bout a wide range of artists
(from TD Schmoelling aera influenced Rob Esser to the up-beaten Mind~flux
EBeatM)
it´s very important to care and respect the different tastes of the members
(compared to the tadream-list where most of the members have 50 or more TD
CDs).
That was my intention.
>And what's this about no flame wars?
Lars, you should answer this by yourself ;-)
>Sounds more like mutual repression--
Tell you what: Do you know why the gold tri list exists ?
Some people wanna talk about TD-influenced and new progressive EM artists.
Those discussions were forced into a new list - the gold tri list.
If this list would be opened for discussions ´bout other artists then TD,
CF, JS and PB
the gold tri list would never happened.
I know that you are a hardcore TD fan and respect that, of course :-|
To be prefectly honest - although I even like the last recent TD CDs
(especially Oasis and Dream Mixes) I prefer many other CDs to the
post-Schmoelling TD stuff: Rob Esser, AirSculpture, rmi, Ron Boots,
Mind-flux to mention a few, but TD (73-85) is still my favourite group.
My motto is: Just the jewels for me.
I own most of the TD jewels but I´m an addicted EM-fan,
wanna have more jewels ;-)
You gold diggers reminds me of some DOS freaks in the late 80s:
Wow, I´ve just found an unused 24 byte memory block while
other OS/artists used 4 GB virtual RAM ;-)
Just kidding!
>call Dr. R when you're ready for some therapy; you can't bottle it up
forever! ;-)
Huh. Do you mean the list member Dr. Rosza ? I´ve already consulted him
and he gave me some Eat Static and Ozrics pills ;-)
Keep on dreaming, Lars :-D
Yense
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Subject: TD Slated to do an Opera in 2000
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>Subject: Re: Yes, TD *did* do a country song!
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:12:34 -0400 (EDT)
>Really-From: AOutland@a...
>
> Steven: I am not familiar with any country music in Firestarter: I
>guess I will have to see the movie again. [. . .]
Well, it won't be hard to spot, considering that I explained what
precise scene the music is used in.
>[. . .] However, as far as the other styles you mentioned:
> rap: Change of the Gods-Dream Mixes
Huh?!? I don't hear any non-sung lyrics in there.
> My point, however, was that TD seems to appeal to all different
>kinds of tastes. [. . .] There is no classifying TD. I have found
>them in record stores under rock, jazz, new age, ambient, sound track--
>you really have to search for them sometimes. [. . .]
That's because most popular, trendy genres have disavowed them so
that they have been ghetto-ized in all manner of record store sections.
At three stores I know, they are in the 'Krautrock' section, so not
*everyone* is clueless, but still. Rock folks tend to think they are
New Age; jazz folks just plain hate them; ambient folks would like some
of the early stuff if they knew enough to check it out, the soundtrack
sections have RISKY BUSINESS and THREE O'CLOCK HIGH because they qualify
as collections; techno folks think everything past 1977 or 1981 is New
Age; punk and industrial folks only like ELECTRONIC MEDITATION.
The only context in which I would agree that TD appeals to all kinds
of people is in that they have five types of music:
o ambient -- 1971-1977
o rock -- 1978-1980 & 1992-1995
o electronic music -- 1981-1984
o Fake Jazz/New Age -- 1986-1989
o New Age -- 1990-1991
Yes, the above is really rather iffy -- in a *big* way -- but
that's more or less how I'd characterize TD to someone wholly unfamiliar
with them.
>[. . .] Ok, I won't look under opera!
Sorry, but--if the sentence in the last chapter of Paul Stump's
DIGITAL GOTHIC turns out to be true--Edgar plans on putting on an opera
in the year 2000, and then turning the band over to Jerome. No, I am
not kidding. (Maybe Stump was, but how can I know for sure?) I don't
have the book with me, so I can't quote the actual sentence, but it *is*
there, in the last chapter.
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Why Love on a Real Train is Popular
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>Subject: Re: Love on a Real Train 3 Times
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:06:03 -0400 (EDT)
>Really-From: AOutland@a...
>
> Steven: Make money from Love on a Real Train? Really? Somehow, I
>don't think so. Or..... please explain to me, since I am not a musician,
>what it is about this song that turns everybody on? [. . .]
I am not a musician, either, so it beats the snot out of *me*! ;)
Seriously, though, it is just one big riff, like the part of the Mike
Oldfield album, TUBULAR BELLS, that was used in THE EXORCIST.
> My reference to Love being done three times comes from a letter to
>this page a few weeks ago regarding putting together an album of
>favorites from the different labels. There is so much to choose from and
>I thought the choices for the most part were fine, but I can't
>understand the hangup on this one particular song. Please explain. [...]
I know. I'm the one who wrote that letter. :) And my choices were
not so much favorites as they were second-guesses of what the curious-at-
large would like to hear.
'Love on a Real Train' comes from the scene where the Tom Cruise
character finally gets laid and hence resolves the sexual tension in the
narrative. Also, RISKY BUSINESS is probably the biggest American box
office hit to be scored by Tangerine Dream, so more people know the
band by 'Love on a Real Train' than by any other tune . . . although
if techno DJs continue ripping off RUBYCON at the rate they are, sooner
or later, RUBYCON might become the most-recognized TD for Americans. ;)
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
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Subject: 3 o'clock hught
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Really-From: Christian von Toerne
Hi all,
I recently found a CD called '3 o'clock high' in a CD shop around the corner.
Seems to be a soundtrack, but with music by TD. The date says it's from 1986.
The funny thing is that I never even heard that some CD with that name
exists! Can sb tell me if it's worth buying?
Thanks for replies,
Chris
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Subject: midifiles
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Does someone knows a good place on the net where I can take good TD midifiles?
Thanks
Miguel
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Subject: ''Tyranny Of Beauty' Interactive Press Kit'
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Really-From: Elana who?
I've been cleaning out my room today, and I stumbled across an old floppy
disc from Miramar. It's the ''Tyranny Of Beauty' Interactive Press Kit',
for PC.
Advice wanted: should I make it available for trade for other TD fans or
just go ahead and reformat/recycle it? Please let me know if this is a
collector's item which should be preserved, or what.
Thanks! :)
-Elana
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Really-From: Vic Rek
Somebody on this list last week offered the two 3 CD picture disc box sets
on Virgin. I have deleted the e-mail, but I would like to know who offered
them and if they are still available?
Sorry for the interruption..
Vic
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Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
Elana,
I would hold onto the ToB IPK. I don't know if it has a value, but how
many IPK have you seen like that?
I still have mine. I called and talked to someone at Miramar to get
mine so I wouldn,t have to write a review for
Beyond the Horizon to get one.
Robert
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Subject: Re: TD Slated to do an Opera in 2000
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In a message dated 97-10-25 16:19:47 EDT, you write:
<< Huh?!? I don't hear any non-sung lyrics in there. >>
Cool, I just learned how to do the above! anyway, Steven, I am glad
there are no lyrics in Change of the Gods since I absolutely despise rap. I
was referring to the structured beat. But I'm no musician as I've said
repeatedly, so my impression of style is insignificant.
I have yet to find a store that has a section for Krautrock, but even
that would be limiting since so many electronic groups are not German. Seems
to me the simple classification would just be 'Electronic'. I coined my own
phrase years ago to describe their music: psycho-cybernetic:mind-machine. Oh
well, I will just continue to follow the pointing fingers wherever the store
wants to file them.
Re: the opera idea; sounds great to me. I kinda like it. Especially
Japanese Takarasque (spelling here is probably wrong). Dell
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This CD is very worthwhile getting; even though some of the music is by
someone else and one of the tracks has lyrics, it is all very good.
Unfortunately, most of the TD tracks are very short, but they are great as
fillers for the end of a tape you're recording. I played this CD over and
over again last night as I sat here with this computer and never got tired of
it. So, yes, get it by all means. Dell
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Subject: JPUU
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
Recibi tu email, Juan, pero no dejaste tu direccion <> para
respondarte!
Elias
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> -- so, what you're saying is that goldtri members are better people than
> the uneducated and unruly masses on tadream? Snifffffff?, is that the
> distinct stench of a holier-than-thou-attitude? And what's this about no
> flame wars? Sounds more like mutual repression--call Dr. R when you're
> ready for some therapy; you can't bottle it up forever! ;-)
> lars
I agree Lars! I was on Goldtri for months and NO ONE talked! I finally
left the group. They are all holier than thou over there and I find the
current round up of people there to be as boring as a fly walking atop a
pile of..er...you know. Oh, and there were flame wars....or perhaps they
call them disagreements because only us TD fans can have flame wars.
Regards,
Dano
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> Um, is this somebody's idea of a bad joke?
>
> If so, you've succeeded in stinking out the joint!
>
> Gabe
>
> real email addresses: gabe@c...
> gyedid@p...
Heh, the best jokes are bad ones. Unfortunately, it pokes fun at many of
the things that I can identify with, as far as TD is concerned. Stop
kissing TD's ass...they don't care.
Dano
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>
> Somebody on this list last week offered the two 3 CD picture disc box sets
> on Virgin. I have deleted the e-mail, but I would like to know who offered
> them and if they are still available?
>
> Sorry for the interruption..
> Vic
Hey Vic, I have a rare napkin that contains a coffee ring from where
Edgar put his cup when he visited thousand palms. I'll sell it to ya for
$500. You know you need it. Heh heh.
Dano
(Dan tells all flamers to shaddap cuz it's a joke & vic is a good buddy
of his which is why he gets all the TD promos I get from all my music
distributors cuz I only listen to TD but don't collect the she-ite....so
bah!)
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
Has anyone located a copy of a Promo-only Soundtrack EP CD recorded and
produced by Zlatko Perica--featuring two edits of a piece of Zlatko's music
used in the film 'Boogie Nights'? The catalog number is CK 315311 and the
cd is packaged as a digi-pack without a booklet. The track in question is
titled 'Diggler's Hanging Low'--edit 1 being 4:35 and edit 2 being 2:17.
These are obviously cues and nothing more. Apparently printed beneath the
cd clear plastic tray is is Zlatko's fan club/web site address.
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
So how many of you fanatics are fattening up Christoph--oh, excuse me,
ChristophER--Franke's bank account by buying those silly Babylon 5 episodic
score dics that just came out?
Does Edgar really plan to turn over TD to Jerome in 2000? That IS a joke
right? Because if it isn't, it's time for Edgar to be committed to
Schwingungen Sanitarium! I can't see it now: Yanni--live with full
orchestra! With Special Guests, Tangerine Dream!!!
What, me worry?
E-Man
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Subject: New Sound System?
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
Hey, everybody, what ever happened to that unique 'sound generation system'
the Tangs were supposed to dazzle us with...*heh heh*...where other
electronic artists were going to have difficulty following them and
mimicking their soundscapes...*hoo hoo*....and then VOILA!!!! They came out
with 'Rockoon' and it was Korg city!!!!!!
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Really-From: Paul Nagle
On Sat, 25 Oct 1997 17:42:55 +0100, tadream@c... (tadream
mailing list) wrote:
>Does someone knows a good place on the net where I can take good TD midifiles?
What would be the point? GM instruments are aimed at simulation of
traditional instruments. Even a GS or XG synth won't give you anything
like the sounds TD uses so why not just put on an album?
I heard someone recently asking for Vangelis's 1492 as a MID file! I
pointed out that GM cannot get close to a CS80 let alone a choir but
still people ask for this kinda stuff. Why?
Paul
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Subject: Re: SBM errors
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Really-From: 'W.W. Bessels'
At 02:01 26-10-97 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>> My copy of the SBM 'Thief' has the same error, just like the SBM CD of
>> 'Exit'. Speaking of that 'Exit' CD, I wonder what kind of drunken person
>> typed the back cover and the CD. It says 'Purple of Pilots Twighlight' and
>> mentions 'Remote', instead of 'Remote Control'. Strange.......it's more or
>> less easier than a title like 'Mysterious Semblances at the Strand of
>> Nightmares'.
>
>drunken or dislexic?
>
>by the way, isn't it 'remote viewing' and not 'remote control'?!
>
>
>dreamy goodbyes, FreD
>
Yeah, FreD, you're right !!!
It was already a couple of months ago since I listened to the Exit album, so
I got the titles a bit wrong. Sorry about that, it is indeed 'Remote Viewing'.
Wouter
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
Yeah, Steven, you are definitely on the money there! However, more detail
should be devoted to categorizing TD according to the genre-paths they
chose to follow:
* psychedeliambient: 1970-1973
* prog-ambient: 1973 (Green Desert only)
* 1973-1977: ambient
* 1978: wannabe progressive rock album! 'Madrigal Meridian' is a classic!
* 1979: perhaps my fave album next to Thief--more prog rock but even
better, killer
melodies and guitar playing! They'd never do another one like this one!
* 1980-1984: quintessential electronic albums...two septillion fans can't
be wrong!
* 1985: jazzy melodic new agey contemporary electronic instrumental
(JMNACEI--
hey!!! A new subgenre!! HAHA
* 1986: Underwater Sunlight--like above, but a classic album!
* 1987: whatever....I like 'Alchemy' and the bonus tracks, though
* 1988-199?: yep! fool's jazz! like Steven called it! And it continues
through TofT!!
* 1995: The Tangs move closer to traditional EMusic infused with rock a la
Rockoon
but they still have that fool's jazz virus. Hmmm...some great tracks
here!!
* 1996: Goblin's Club = total ****; or, let's just say this is the first TD
release I ever
bought which ended up at the 2nd-hand CD shop. No redeeming value...
* 1997: electronic/new age--Oasis (first came out on video last year)
bee-yoo-ti-ful! I
dig it!
Since everyone loves to discuss 'Love In A Real Brain' so much, yes I agree
that the Tangs milk it for all its worth because its one of their most
well-known tunes. It's their 'Tom Sawyer,' 'Comfortably Numb,' 'Even Flow,'
'Loser'.....heh heh
E-Man
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Miguel Angel Esteban wrote:
>>Does someone knows a good place on the net where I can take good
>> TD midifiles?
and Paul Nagle answered:
> What would be the point? GM instruments are aimed at simulation of
> traditional instruments. Even a GS or XG synth won't give you anything
> like the sounds TD uses so why not just put on an album?
>
> I heard someone recently asking for Vangelis's 1492 as a MID file! I
> pointed out that GM cannot get close to a CS80 let alone a choir but
> still people ask for this kinda stuff. Why?
Sorry Paul, some of us do appreciate midis. Coincidentally, yesterday
after lunch I downloaded the Yamaha S-YXG50 midi player, and I got so
amazed with the sound quality obtained with this software that I
remained listening to midis until 3 o'clock in the morning!
So, Miguel if you still have not visited Philip Meyer's TD midi site, go
to:
http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk
and enjoy!
Antonio
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>Really-From: DJS
>Hey Vic, I have a rare napkin that contains a coffee ring from where
>Edgar put his cup when he visited thousand palms. I'll sell it to ya for
>$500. You know you need it. Heh heh.
>
>Dano
I'll pass this time since I still haven't paid you for the napkin with the
decaf coffee stain.
But, I wanna know who let this guy on the list, heh heh? I mean, I'm on this
list only to obtain every last detail on TD and releated releases, such as
matrix numbers, release versions, etc. To actually have a laugh on this
list would be a crime, so again, who gave this guy the secret key to this
special 'tadream' discussion group? :-)
Vic
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>Has anyone located a copy of a Promo-only Soundtrack EP CD recorded and
>produced by Zlatko Perica--featuring two edits of a piece of Zlatko's music
>used in the film 'Boogie Nights'? The catalog number is CK 315311 and the
>cd is packaged as a digi-pack without a booklet. The track in question is
>titled 'Diggler's Hanging Low'--edit 1 being 4:35 and edit 2 being 2:17.
>These are obviously cues and nothing more. Apparently printed beneath the
>cd clear plastic tray is is Zlatko's fan club/web site address.
Oh no, another joker! Must be from California I'd say.... :-)
Vic
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In a message dated 97-10-25 18:28:44 EDT, you write:
<< Hi all,
I recently found a CD called '3 o'clock high' in a CD shop around the
corner.
Seems to be a soundtrack, but with music by TD. The date says it's from
1986.
The funny thing is that I never even heard that some CD with that name
exists! Can sb tell me if it's worth buying?
Thanks for replies,
Chris >>
I've had it for years. I like it, but it is not top notch TD stuff,
particularly due to the choppy nature of the compiled tunes. In fact, some
people on this list have shown some pretty negative opinions of it. It seems
to be a Dark Horse entry to the soundtrack collection. If you're a
completist, you'll have to get it. Of course completists have to get
everything and anything, right Lars?
Phil Naunton
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Subject: Re: Why Love on a Real Train is Popular
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In a message dated 97-10-25 16:19:57 EDT, Dell writes:
<< > Steven: Make money from Love on a Real Train? Really? Somehow, I
>don't think so. Or..... please explain to me, since I am not a musician,
>what it is about this song that turns everybody on? [. . .] >>
Because it is pure sex in every conceivable way.
Tom Cruise = Sex
Rebecca De Mornay = Sex
Risky Business = Sex
Trains = Sex
Love = Sex
The rhythm section = the worlds longest orgasm = Sex
The melody = the worlds most sensual titillization = Sex
Just the title gets many women in the appropriate mood = Sex
Just the title gets many men in the frame of mind also = Sex
What is the singular drive which is the primary motivation
of most people in the particular target age group? = Sex
The only thing you don't get is the train going into the tunnel,
which would probably put the whole idea over the top. But you do get that
electric flash at the very end of the scene, both visually and on the movie
sound track, but unfortunately NOT on the OST (which really pisses me off
BTW). If that isn't pure unadulterated Sex then, I'm sorry, you're hopeless.
Phil Naunton
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Subject: D:Solo Week 19 - Oct. 27, 1997
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This week we would like to hear comments on:
Edgar Froese - Stuntman and/or
- Solo 1974-1979
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Subject: Re: Chris Franke
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In a message dated 97-10-26 03:16:05 EST, you write:
<<
So how many of you fanatics are fattening up Christoph--oh, excuse me,
ChristophER--Franke's bank account by buying those silly Babylon 5 episodic
score dics that just came out?
>>
Umm, I guess one of them would be me. I don't know what an episodic
score disc is, but I did buy the first Babylon 5 CD and I think it's
wonderful. The TV program happens to be my favorite and I was doubly pleased
when I finally noticed the credits one evening showing Chris Franke. His
contribution to TD was tremendous. Are we supposed to hate him now just
because he chose a different route? His musical expertise is still excellent.
With the exception of a few sounds in the Babylon 5 CD (notably one from
Wave Length) he has completely broken from the TD sound and stands on his own
as a very creative artist. IMHO. Dell
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At 11:03 AM 10/23/97 +0200, you wrote:
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>Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
>Well it seems some of you have problems
>downloading the MPEG3-files.
>
>It works perfectly with MS Internet Explorer,
>but somehow it doesn't seem to work with Netscape.
>I will try to figure it out asap. I just don't know what
>I'm doing wrong.
Marcel, you need to ZIP the files to work with Netscape. I know that
ZIPPING an MPEG3 file is pointless because it doesn't compress at all, but
the act of ZIPPING the file 'packages' the file safely so that it will
survive a download. Basically, Netscape is removing the first .5k of the
MPEG3 file because it thinks it's a 'file information header' when in fact,
that .5k of data is music information.
>
>It's best to stop accessing my page, untill I get
>it all working. Damn computers!?*
I'm surprised no-one remembers this from my now-defunct public MPEG3 page.
Morgan
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On Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:17:24 -0700 (PDT) tadream@c... (tadream
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>Really-From: Elana who?
>
>
>
>I've been cleaning out my room today, and I stumbled across an old
>floppy
>disc from Miramar. It's the ''Tyranny Of Beauty' Interactive Press
>Kit',
>for PC.
>
>Advice wanted: should I make it available for trade for other TD fans
>or
>just go ahead and reformat/recycle it? Please let me know if this is
>a
>collector's item which should be preserved, or what.
>
>Thanks! :)
>
>-Elana
>
>
By all means you should make several copies of it and send them to fellow
TD fans for a minimal fee or trade. DON'T ERASE IT.
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Subject: Re: Why Love on a Real Train is Popular
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In a message dated 97-10-26 09:31:27 EST, you write:
<< Because it is pure sex in every conceivable way. >>
Hmmm, Phil, it sounds like you have a one track mind (pun intended LOL)
:-) Dell
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At 06:58 PM 10/23/97 +0100, you wrote:
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>tadream mailing list wrote:
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>> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>>
>> Well it seems some of you have problems
>> downloading the MPEG3-files.
>>
>> It works perfectly with MS Internet Explorer,
>> but somehow it doesn't seem to work with Netscape.
>
>Well, Netscape users, stop calling names to Marcel ;-) because there's
>still a chance that you can play the samples without having to download
>them again. Go to the 'Cache' directory under your Netscape folder, and
>look for files with the mp3 extension. There might be a chance that a
>copy of Marcel's MPEG3 files are still there, and if so, they will play
>perfectly.
>
>This same problem happened a few months ago with Morgan web page. He
>solved the problem when he zipped the files. Marcel, you can do the
>same, or you can take a look at Grant's web page, because his MPEG3
>files work fine with Netscape.
Hey Marcel, if you really want to bang your head against a wall, you can
e-mail your internet provider (I didn't bother) a message stating, 'please
add the file type MPEG3 audio to your server with a header size of ZERO.'
Obviously, neither your nor my server properly handle MPEG3 so Netscape
strips the first half a K of information, thinking it's a really cool
'info. header'.... Obviously, Grant's server is MPEG3 savvy, aka, it tells
Netscape, 'hey, there's no header, use the whole file'...
Morgan
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Subject: Re: Finally 'solution'
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>
>I finally found a 'solution' for everyone.
>
>Man, I tried and tried almost all day to figure
>out what went wrong with the MP3-files.
>The answer is: I still don't know!!.
I figured this out last month and talked quite extensively on the list
about it... hrrm....
>I even copied bits of code from other sites and put in
>my MP3 file instead of them and it still didn't work
>whereas the others worked.
Their webservers have been tuned to handle MPEG3 files. Yours and mine
haven't.
>I now used MP3 compressor. With this program I can
>compress the files as MPEG3 and save the file as a
>WAV-file.
Compressed WAV files will ONLY play back on YOUR computer because you have
the MPEG3 decompresser driver installed. Unless you want to put a link to
that on your page and have EVERYONE have to download this driver and
install it... whew, what a pain! And this will *completely* restrict the
listening to your sound files to Windows 95...
>The only drawback is that is in mono. It doesn't compress
>in 22050 kHz stereo. Only mono. It does stereo from
>32000 and upwards.
>First I used L3ENC and it compresses very well in stereo
>but the output is only in MP3.
This is exactly what you want! Use L3ENC and make your MPEG3 files. Then
ZIP the files and put em up. ;)
Make sure you have links to the proper tools:
Windows MPEG player http://winamp.lh.net
Macintosh MPEG player http://macamp.lh.net
Windows UNZIP tool http://www.winzip.com/
Macintosh UNZIP tool:
ftp://ftp.amug.org/pub/amug/bbs-in-a-box/files/unstuff/other-compression/unz
ip-2.0.1.sit.hqx
>Well, I better stop now. Maybe I can find a program that
>compresses in stereo with a WAV-output.
If you start outputting in custom WAV formats (other than regular), you
will alienate Macintosh and Windows 3.1 users.
Morgan
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>Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
> First of all thanks to all the people sending me mail
>about the MP3-files and the up/download thing.
>
>I found it, I found it! (with a childs voice).
>I found a program which compresses 22kHz, 56kBit/s,
>stereo and saves in WAV-format.
Actually, you can compress WAV files without any additional software.
Windows 95 comes with several WAV compressors. But now only Windows 95
users can play these.
>So for the people who still wants to download the files
>they can now listen to it in stereo.
>
>For the ones who already downloaded the files, well they must
>decide if they want to dowload and wait again.
>
>I'm a happy man again. Now I'm going for Grants samples (didn't
>got a change to listen to them).
>And you're right, Grant. I don't want this list to be a Appreciation
>Society too.
>
>Marcel
>Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm
>Email :fsp@p...
>
>Now I'm going back to lurking mode.
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: 3 o'clock hught
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Phil N. writes:
> Of course completists have to get everything and anything, right Lars?
huh? sorry I didn't catch what you were saying, I was too busy fondling,
recounting and re-organizing my 793 different TD LPs, 124 TD 7' singles
(including 2 auto'd copies of UT), 256 TD 12' singles, 1287 TD CDs and CD
singles--not counting the 341 from various ex-members and solo works (but
including the Zlatko solo), 4 studio tapes, 39 polish postcards, 87 russian
flexis, 783 TD fan tapes; 764 boots, 79 PAL videos, 149 VHS videos, 34 LDs,
17 DVDs, 447 posters, 139 concert tickets, 87 presskits, 13 CDROMs, 8
books, 93 magazines (with interviews), 7 napkins, 14 letters from the band.
Then there's the archived and cross-referenced discussions from the
tadream list... and I'm still missing things!, damn.
now what was it you wanted?
lars
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>>Has anyone located a copy of a Promo-only Soundtrack EP CD recorded and
>>produced by Zlatko Perica--featuring two edits of a piece of Zlatko's
music
>>used in the film 'Boogie Nights'? The catalog number is CK 315311 and the
>>cd is packaged as a digi-pack without a booklet. The track in question is
>>titled 'Diggler's Hanging Low'--edit 1 being 4:35 and edit 2 being 2:17.
>>These are obviously cues and nothing more. Apparently printed beneath the
>>cd clear plastic tray is is Zlatko's fan club/web site address.
>Oh no, another joker! Must be from California I'd say.... :-)
errr, ah Vic, he wasn't joking. It was a limited edition of 200 signed and
numbered copies. I happen to have *one* extra if you're interested in
making a deal... but these suckers are *pricey*
lars
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
It's taking all I've got to remain serious for a moment, Vic! I can't give
her any more, Captain! heh heh
'Stuntman' contains my two individual favorite pieces of music by Edgar,
'Detroit Snackbar Dreamer'--with its haunting Steve Reichesque (don't ask,
just listen!) bare bones approach and that beautiful melody--and 'Drunken
Mozart...' I won't get into the song's technical and melodic aspects, but
it's just a great tune.
E-Man
Hey, Vic, imagine if this were TaDream Instant Chat....heh heh...want to
talk about jokes...heh heh
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Date: Sun Oct 26, 1997 5:45
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Subject: Franke Babylon
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
Uh, oh! Sorry, Dell!
I should have made myself more clear: I also have >Babylon 5< and >B5:
Messages From Earth, and yes, I am quite fond of those two releases.
Sonic Images has just released five separate CDs which each provide the
complete score for a single B5 episode, including 'Z'Ha'Dum' (or something
like that). 'The Geometry of Shadows' and three others. Check out the Sonic
Images web site and you'll get the scoop. I, for one, don't intend to buy
these, as I listen to many artists besides TD & alumni and have many other
great CDs to acquire.
E-Man
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Subject: TD + Froese for sale/trade
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Really-From: Vic Rek
I have a few items available for sale/trade:
Edgar Froese:
- Electronic Dreams LP
- I also have other Froese, please inquire privately...
Tangerine Dream:
- Live Yorkminster Cathedral, UK 10/20/75
- ...In the Beginning #'rd 6LP box set
- Tyger original US CD with color booklet
- Oasis (strk) TDI CD
- Sorcerer (strk) US CD
- Catch Me if You Can (strk) US CD
- Risky Business (strk) UK CD
- Miracle Mile (strk) US CD
- TD Disky Comp. from Phaedra/Rubycon/Stratosfear NL CD
Contact me privately off list if interested in any of these.
Vic
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Date: Sun Oct 26, 1997 6:17
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Subject: Re: Chris Franke
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tadream mailing list wrote:
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>
> In a message dated 97-10-26 03:16:05 EST, you write:
>
> <<
> So how many of you fanatics are fattening up Christoph--oh, excuse me,
> ChristophER--Franke's bank account by buying those silly Babylon 5 episodic
> score dics that just came out?
> >>
> Umm, I guess one of them would be me. I don't know what an episodic
> score disc is, but I did buy the first Babylon 5 CD and I think it's
> wonderful. The TV program happens to be my favorite and I was doubly pleased
> when I finally noticed the credits one evening showing Chris Franke. His
> contribution to TD was tremendous. Are we supposed to hate him now just
> because he chose a different route? His musical expertise is still excellent.
> With the exception of a few sounds in the Babylon 5 CD (notably one from
> Wave Length) he has completely broken from the TD sound and stands on his own
> as a very creative artist. IMHO. Dell
I agree with You, Dell
Jorge Moreira.
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: Tyranny of B Floppy: Hold it Right There!
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>'Tyranny Of Beauty' floppy disc
>Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 11:11:34 -0800 (PST)
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Elana who?
>
>Looks like I have had some real interest in the 'Tyranny Of Beauty'
>floppy disc I have. Which means I definitely won't reformat it! :)
>
>If someone wants it, here are my terms of trade:
Waitaminnit!!!
o Making a copy of a record requires a cassette tape and 3/4 hour.
o Making a copy of a tape requires a cassette tape and 3/4 hour.
o Making a copy of a CD requires a cassette tape and 3/4 hour.
o Burning a CD-R of any of the above requires a CD-R and 3/4 hour.
Everybody following me, here? Okay, then . . .
o MAKING A COPY OF A FLOPPY DISK REQUIRES ABOUT 2-3 MINUTES!
So, if and when you feel you really have to part with the original
floppy, at least make a few dupes of it so that you can make some more
dupes from those, and more dupes from the results of those dupes, etc.
Is it really that much to ask?
I mean, get copies of this floppy to the active traders in Germany,
the UK, and the USA, and *everybody* will have it for the price of a
floppy and postage. It's not like it would require a lot of time and
effort to proliferate this item.
>[. . .] Mark Shreeve has a new album out called 'Ether' [. . .] the
>first person to get me that album gets my 'Tyranny Of Beauty
>Interactive Press Kit' floppy disc.
Well, if that's what floats your boat.
>Who wants to do this trade? Please let me know...
More like: who *doesn't* want to do this trade? ;)
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: STRATOSFEAR without the Name on the Front Cover
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Sigh, sorry, but it seems that the store where I *thought* I saw a
copy of STRATOSFEAR without the title on the cover did, in fact, *not*
have a copy.
What I did discover, though, is that subsequent US copies of
STRATOSFEAR have the title in thick white letters, whereas the UK copies
have the title in relatively thin dark red letters.
Sorry for getting your hopes up, Lars, Peter & Siggi, and Vic.
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: NIGHTFLYERS soundtrack by Doug Timm
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Anybody got a copy of the soundtrack to NIGHTFLYERS by Doug Timm?
This is a Tangerine Dream-esque soundtrack on the Varese Sarabande label
that came out around 1984 or 1987. The movie is conceptually interesting
but poor in execution--but the music! Yow! With all this whooping and
hollering about Node, Redshift, and Radio Massacre International, you'd
think that *someone* hereabouts would be familiar with this puppy. It's
like the Schmoelling period stuff, by the way, not the Baumann stuff.
Anyways, if any of you have a copy and don't want it, or know where
to get one, please let me know! :)
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
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Subject: GoldTri
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Hi,
Could someone please e-mail me with the specifics for subscribing to the
GoldTri list. I'm finally getting around to doing it, but I realized I
lost the subscribing details.
Thanks in advance,
Larry
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Subject: Eli's Edger Loves His son, etc.'
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Really-From: Elana who?
Eli sez:
> 'That's better,' Klaus says. 'Edgar, we can't let you do this...you've
> profaned the Holy Sacrament of Electronic Music.'
> 'Yeah,' Manuel adds. 'Elana wanted to get all over your ass, but
> we had to restrain her.'
EEEWWWWWW!!!!
[........]
> 'Leave that stuff to Al Di Meola,' Manuel says. 'Oh, and Elana thinks I'm
> a better guitar player than you.
I do??? *I* didn't know I had an opinion about that!
Eli is taking my name in vein here, it seems!
Actually, my all-time fave guitar player is Mark Dwane.
-Elana
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: Edgar's Opera: THE DIVINE COMEDY - no joke! :(
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Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Bearer of Ill Tidings, for the Nonce'
Well, I went home and copied down the part of Paul Stump's book,
DIGITAL GOTHIC, that mentions Edgar's opera planned for the year 2000.
Here it is (from page 119):
| The soundtracks and compilations kept coming, but in |
| 1996, the band resumed touring their European homelands with |
| a one-off gig in London and spoke as optimistically of the |
| future as always (more tours, more compilations, more sound- |
| tracks, and a planned choral-orchestral extravaganza based |
| on Dante's DIVINE COMEDY for the year 2000, after which Edgar |
| Froese claims he will have done all he needs to with the band |
| and hand it over to Jerome). |
Direct all anger and flames to TDI and/or Paul Stump, not me,
because I am not making this up. Those who have the book can turn to
page 119 and verify this for themselves! (*I HATE OPERA* more than I
hate rap, reggae, and hardcore techno, by the way.)
On the bright side, Edgar may choose to spare us all the indignity
of buying/owning an opera recording by releasing it under his own name
as a solo project rather than as an official TD recording. Let's hope!
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
That's funny....I had a dream the other night that I was shopping at Tower
Records and saw a new album by Zlatko and some jazz (!) musician!
MJ
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Subject: Re: Edgar's Opera: THE DIVINE COMEDY - no joke! :( / Jim&Pablo
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Bearer of Ill Tidings, for the Nonce'
> (*I HATE OPERA* more than I hate rap, reggae, and hardcore techno, by the
way.)
> On the bright side, Edgar may choose to spare us all the indignity
> of buying/owning an opera recording by releasing it under his own name
> as a solo project rather than as an official TD recording. Let's hope!
Steven, if you really hate opera, what about not buying it even if it´ll be
an official TD CD ?
You´d save your money for the upcoming gabber-remix of rubycon part one
with sampled Bob Marley rap-vocals ;-)
(gabber is faster than high-speed techno, btw, 230-250 bpms)
To be serious, I´ve decided not to buy every upcoming TD release.
That has been an easy decision after hearing a Jim&Pablo:der Meteor tape.
The story is quite interesting - even for grown-ups - if you are able
to understand the German language - it contains an awful lot of dialogues.
The narrator´s voice could be better - they should hire Peter Ehrlich
for the upcoming releases. If Peter would be the narrator I´d recomment
it to you. This is a voice ! My flesh begins to creep if I hear his dark
voice
on (Ex-Yello member) Carlos Peróns 'Ritter & Unholde' CD.
Musically 'Der Meteor' is crap, IMO, you can hear a few short so-so pieces
and a lot of sounds.
Wait until the English versions will be released, collect all of them if
you want but avoid
the German versions.
Jens
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Subject: Re: midifiles
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Hi tadream@c... (tadream mailing list),
>So, Miguel if you still have not visited Philip Meyer's TD midi site, go
>to:
>http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk
>and enjoy!
>
There has been an update to the Tangerine Dream midi's on my site. There's a
new one 'Dream Time', now listed...
Phil
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Date: Mon Oct 27, 1997 1:37
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Subject: Re: GoldTri
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 11:37 AM 10/26/1997 -0800, Larry Smith wrote:
>Could someone please e-mail me with the specifics for subscribing to the
>GoldTri list. I'm finally getting around to doing it, but I realized I
>lost the subscribing details.
send to a message that simply states
subscribe goldtri your@e...
See you there,
Andrew
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Date: Mon Oct 27, 1997 1:44
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Subject: Re: Rarity
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Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-10-26 02:57:24 EST, you write:
<< 4:35 and edit 2 being 2:17.
These are obviously cues and nothing more. Apparently printed beneath the
cd clear plastic tray is is Zlatko's fan club/web site address. >>
Hey, hey!! Way to go . . . . . (what was his name again?
Zlat-something?) . . . . . All the best from your loyal fans.
Yaaa-Who(?)!!!!
Right !!
Phil Naunton
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Date: Mon Oct 27, 1997 2:29
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Subject: Johannes, w-w-w-where R U?
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
Hey, everybody, where is Johannes Schmoelling nowadays? What is he doing?
When is he going to turn out another 'Zoo' or 'Reit' type of recording? If
any? Did he go off to the Kingdom of Wadephul? (anyone notice another word
in pronouncing Ralf's surname?)
E-Man
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Date: Mon Oct 27, 1997 3:32
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Subject: Re: Eli's Edger Loves His son, etc.'
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> Really-From: Elana who?
>
>
>
> Eli sez:
>
> > 'That's better,' Klaus says. 'Edgar, we can't let you do this...you've
> > profaned the Holy Sacrament of Electronic Music.'
> > 'Yeah,' Manuel adds. 'Elana wanted to get all over your ass, but
> > we had to restrain her.'
>
> EEEWWWWWW!!!!
>
> [........]
>
> > 'Leave that stuff to Al Di Meola,' Manuel says. 'Oh, and Elana thinks I'm
> > a better guitar player than you.
>
> I do??? *I* didn't know I had an opinion about that!
>
> Eli is taking my name in vein here, it seems!
>
> Actually, my all-time fave guitar player is Mark Dwane.
>
> -Elana
Yeeehahaha. Hilarious. Where ya been Elana?? It took Eli's joke to get
ya out of the woodwork. What's new?
Regards,
Dano
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Date: Mon Oct 27, 1997 3:35
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Subject: Re: NIGHTFLYERS soundtrack by Doug Timm
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> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> Anybody got a copy of the soundtrack to NIGHTFLYERS by Doug Timm?
> This is a Tangerine Dream-esque soundtrack on the Varese Sarabande label
> that came out around 1984 or 1987. The movie is conceptually interesting
> but poor in execution--but the music! Yow! With all this whooping and
> hollering about Node, Redshift, and Radio Massacre International, you'd
> think that *someone* hereabouts would be familiar with this puppy. It's
> like the Schmoelling period stuff, by the way, not the Baumann stuff.
> Anyways, if any of you have a copy and don't want it, or know where
> to get one, please let me know! :)
>
> Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
> , and BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
> Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
> Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
> FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty.
> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! |
> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Though I work with the soundtrack gods I cannot get this for you on
CD...er...but I saw the vinyl recently and can get it...but it's pricey.
$20 I believe was the price...if ya want vinyl.
Regards,
Dan
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Date: Mon Oct 27, 1997 9:29
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Subject: 'Tyranny' floppy
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Really-From: Elana who?
> So, if and when you feel you really have to part with the original
> floppy, at least make a few dupes of it so that you can make some more
> dupes from those, and more dupes from the results of those dupes, etc.
> Is it really that much to ask?
Errrrrr... something about this suggestion is really bugging my sense of
integrity, and frankly I am not sure exactly what it is, but... I dunno...
just that gut-level sense of 'something about this just isn't right' is
enough for me to feel like I cannot fall short on that.
Whoever gets this floppy in trade can do whatever they want with it...
make a coaster out of it, decorate their hat with it, make three zillion
copies with it, trade it with someone else, or whatever. That's THEIR
concience to deal with.
My own concience deals on a different level... in a way, I was kinda sorta
entrusted by Miramar with this disk, and even though I know that they'd
never remember me anymore or even care much by now about whether if I'm
the one to go actively copy/bootleg this disk, *I* ultimately care enough
to not actively copy. I have to, as an E-Dreamer. And that is all that
really matters.
-Elana
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Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #83
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Really-From: Elana who?
> > Actually, my all-time fave guitar player is Mark Dwane.
> > -Elana
> Yeeehahaha. Hilarious. Where ya been Elana?? It took Eli's joke to get
> ya out of the woodwork. What's new?
> Dano
I've been busy admin'ing Goldtri. The list has turned into this really
lovely warm-pool of a place lately, and I have been happily splashing in
the waters of the discussions over there. Lots of work to do on that
list... we're making cool stuff happen there.
-Elana
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Date: Mon Oct 27, 1997 6:00
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Subject: Ambient? Yeah, right!
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Eli wrote:
>Yeah, Steven, you are definitely on the money there! However, more detail
>should be devoted to categorizing TD according to the genre-paths they
>chose to follow:
>
>* psychedeliambient: 1970-1973
>* prog-ambient: 1973 (Green Desert only)
>* 1973-1977: ambient
>..
WHAT ???!? Eli, what have you been smoking? 'ambient'?!!??!?
So what you are saying is that TD secretly released an alternative set
of records 1973-1977 that are completely unknown to me and anyone else
in which they did ambient music? Wow, that is fascinating news, can
you tell us the names and catalog numbers of these albums and where we
may obtain copies?
Sorry, but I am getting really sick of every little piece of dogshit
being called 'ambient' these days. It is so ridiculous to have to
listen to an 'ambient mix' of a U2 single, which probably received
that title because it is 5 bpm slower than the regular release, or it
has 10db of extra reverb mixed in: Wow, man, listen to all that cool
echo, man...I tell ya, this is really *ambient*, dude.
I wonder what Brian Eno must think about all this. Driving sequencers
and 15-minute guitar improvs as on 'Coldwater Canyon'...unmistakably
the signs of ambient, or what? Yeah, sounds almost exactly like Eno's
'On Land' or 'Music For Airports'...NOT!
Hilmar
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Date: Mon Oct 27, 1997 7:47
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Subject: Goblins' Club ??? Not that bad, IMO
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Really-From: 'W.W. Bessels'
Hi,
I really can't understand why some people think that Goblins' Club is f**k
or other negative opinions that they gave to this CD.
I think that there are some wonderful compositions on it and a lot of
sequencer and guitar stuff that I hadn't heard for ages in the music of TD.
Especially songs like 'Rising Haul in Silence', 'Lamb with Radar Eyes' and
'Fort Worth Runway One' really have done me a favour and I prefer this CD
high above CDs like Turn of the Tides and Rockoon. Tyranny of Beauty is OK,
but still more or less the same kind of music throughout the whole CD.
The guitarists Mark Hornby and Gerald Gradwool have done a splendid job on
Goblins' Club and they surpass Zlatko Perica on all fronts, IMO. His solos
on Tournado sound very 'out of phase with the rest of the music' to me and
also occurred to me during performances.
Just to let you know this and everybody has of course his own opinion about
each TD CD !!
Cheeeeeeers, Wouter.
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Subject: recommended soundtracks
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
OK, I know I'm a little late on this thread, but I just wanted to mention
one 'soundtrack' that hasn't yet been mentioned:
Tangents disc 4
I think it's a great mix of soundtrack material; too bad DRC didn't have a
similar disc...
lars
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Date: Mon Oct 27, 1997 7:43
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Subject: Goblin's Club
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Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm)
> Really-From: 'W.W. Bessels'
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I really can't understand why some people think that Goblins' Club is f**k
> or other negative opinions that they gave to this CD.
>
I'm afraid I'm with Wouter on this one. GC for me is the best TD have come
up with since about 1992, (with the possible exception of the Dream mixes
which I feel turned some pretty mediocre tunes into some exceptional tunes).
Okay, so GC is not perhaps what I feel TD should be about, let's face it,
those days are probably gone forever. But if you took TD out of the
equation and this was released by A.N. Other EM musician it would probably
be raved about - well, at least IMHO.
Still, it'd be a dull world if we all thought the same way, and we weren't
able to offer our opinions. :-)
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Date: Tue Oct 28, 1997 3:18
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Subject: Ambient? Of Course, Hilmar!
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
THIS MESSAGE IS FOR HILMAR SINCE I DON'T FEEL LIKE PASTING HIS NOTE OVER
HERE:
Stop smoking, yourself, buddy, it was a JOKE!!! You obviously missed Steven
Feldman's earlier post to which I was responding. All I did was laughably
break up a number of years into three more subcategories and give them the
prefix of 'psychedeli-' or 'prog-' There ARE NO such categories (though
today there might be, heh heh). So chill out.
Besides, Hilmar, even Fiona Aple and Prodigy are ambient, right? HAHAHAHA
(Of course I wouldn't pigeonhole 'Monolight' as ambient...)
Sorry, everybody, but I still don't like Goblin's Club. Oasis was better
than that one. TD needs a sonic overhaul is all, but B4 we can stop
disagreeing, they may just blow us away yet!
E-Man
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Subject: Re: Ambient? Yeah, right!
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> Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft)
>
> Eli wrote:
>
> >Yeah, Steven, you are definitely on the money there! However, more detail
> >should be devoted to categorizing TD according to the genre-paths they
> >chose to follow:
> >
> >* psychedeliambient: 1970-1973
> >* prog-ambient: 1973 (Green Desert only)
> >* 1973-1977: ambient
> >..
>
> WHAT ???!? Eli, what have you been smoking? 'ambient'?!!??!?
>
> So what you are saying is that TD secretly released an alternative set
> of records 1973-1977 that are completely unknown to me and anyone else
> in which they did ambient music? Wow, that is fascinating news, can
> you tell us the names and catalog numbers of these albums and where we
> may obtain copies?
>
> Sorry, but I am getting really sick of every little piece of dogshit
> being called 'ambient' these days. It is so ridiculous to have to
> listen to an 'ambient mix' of a U2 single, which probably received
> that title because it is 5 bpm slower than the regular release, or it
> has 10db of extra reverb mixed in: Wow, man, listen to all that cool
> echo, man...I tell ya, this is really *ambient*, dude.
>
> I wonder what Brian Eno must think about all this. Driving sequencers
> and 15-minute guitar improvs as on 'Coldwater Canyon'...unmistakably
> the signs of ambient, or what? Yeah, sounds almost exactly like Eno's
> 'On Land' or 'Music For Airports'...NOT!
>
> Hilmar
DUUUUUR!! It IS ambient. Whether you like it or not, guitar rifts and
drums can't save a song from being labeled as ambient. Ambient is slow,
smooth, sonic wallpaper that does little more than create an atmosphere
to smoke a log of dogs$#t to or worship your Schulze crystal cd jewel
cases whislt burning incense made of the latest TD albums . Ambient
shouldn't even be classified as music. Brian Eno is only an established
'musician' because he was born before keyboards were invented and spewed
forth sonic garbage before the rest of us got the chance to get our
hands on a moog or Korg. Heck, I'd rather listen to farts reverberate in
a hollow mansion hall before listening to his prophecy theme from Dune,
and considering I'm a soundtrack appreciater that's pretty sad for him.
Regards,
Dano
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Date: Mon Oct 27, 1997 5:43
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Subject: Re: Goblins' Club ??? Not that bad, IMO
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t
> Really-From: 'W.W. Bessels'
>
> Hi,
>
> I really can't understand why some people think that Goblins' Club is f**k
> or other negative opinions that they gave to this CD.
Yeeeuuhhhh!?!?!? Have you listened to it yet??
>
> I think that there are some wonderful compositions on it and a lot of
> sequencer and guitar stuff that I hadn't heard for ages in the music of TD.
It's a good thing you think so. Guys like you keep the band in business.
> Especially songs like 'Rising Haul in Silence', 'Lamb with Radar Eyes' and
> 'Fort Worth Runway One' really have done me a favour and I prefer this CD
> high above CDs like Turn of the Tides and Rockoon.
yeeehhuuhh???? Over Rockoon!?! Do you have a copy of Yanni's 'In My
Time' in your collection? heh heh (jus a little joke there dude...relax)
Tyranny of Beauty is OK,
> but still more or less the same kind of music throughout the whole CD.
>
> The guitarists Mark Hornby and Gerald Gradwool have done a splendid job on
> Goblins' Club and they surpass Zlatko Perica on all fronts, IMO. His solos
> on Tournado sound very 'out of phase with the rest of the music' to me and
> also occurred to me during performances.
>
> Just to let you know this and everybody has of course his own opinion about
> each TD CD !!
>
Yes, this is true.....and mine is...Goblin's Club is the ONLY TD CD I
have listened to twice. Once to hear it for the first time...the second
time because I couldn't believe my ears. I had to confirm it was as bad
as I thought....and it was. Doh!
Dan
> Cheeeeeeers, Wouter.
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Date: Mon Oct 27, 1997 5:19
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Subject: Re: Ambient? Yeah, right!
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In a message dated 97-10-27 11:44:44 EST, you write:
<< DUUUUUR!! It IS ambient. Whether you like it or not, guitar rifts and
drums can't save a song from being labeled as ambient. Ambient is slow,
smooth, sonic wallpaper that does little more than create an atmosphere
to smoke a log of dogs$#t to or worship your Schulze crystal cd jewel
cases whislt burning incense made of the latest TD albums . Ambient
shouldn't even be classified as music. Brian Eno is only an established
'musician' because he was born before keyboards were invented and spewed
forth sonic garbage before the rest of us got the chance to get our
hands on a moog or Korg. Heck, I'd rather listen to farts reverberate in
a hollow mansion hall before listening to his prophecy theme from Dune,
and considering I'm a soundtrack appreciater that's pretty sad for him.
>>
tell me this is a joke...right?
tom w
np: muslimgauze - arab quarter
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Date: Mon Oct 27, 1997 6:04
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Subject: Re: Edgar's Opera: THE DIVINE COMEDY - no joke! :(
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Bearer of Ill Tidings, for the Nonce'
>
> Direct all anger and flames to TDI and/or Paul Stump, not me,
> because I am not making this up. Those who have the book can turn to
> page 119 and verify this for themselves! (*I HATE OPERA* more than I
> hate rap, reggae, and hardcore techno, by the way.)
Does this include ALL opera, all hated unequivocally?
I never much liked opera until oh, about 2 years ago, when I heard the
very first opera I liked. It was 'Gesualdo' by Alfred Schnittke. Gotta
love that dissonance and general ignorance of traditinal operatic
conventions.
> On the bright side, Edgar may choose to spare us all the indignity
> of buying/owning an opera recording by releasing it under his own name
> as a solo project rather than as an official TD recording. Let's hope!
If it's not too much like stuff by Verdi, it might not be so bad. If
it's a completely new approach to opera, why not give it a chance?
> Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^
'Opera is an outdated musical form.'
--Steve Reich
Gabe
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Subject: Re: Goblins' Club ??? Not that bad, IMO
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> Really-From: DJS
>
>
>
> > Really-From: 'W.W. Bessels'
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I really can't understand why some people think that Goblins' Club is
f**k
> > or other negative opinions that they gave to this CD.
>
> Yeeeuuhhhh!?!?!? Have you listened to it yet??
>
>
> >
> > I think that there are some wonderful compositions on it and a lot of
> > sequencer and guitar stuff that I hadn't heard for ages in the music of
TD.
>
> It's a good thing you think so. Guys like you keep the band in business.
I second that Goblin's Club has great compositions, but the guitar is a bit
strong in a couple songs.. more so seems seaperate from the music than a
part of it.
But then I thought Turn Of the Tides was really quite a sleeper for me
except for a couple tracks on it.
>
> > Especially songs like 'Rising Haul in Silence', 'Lamb with Radar Eyes'
and
> > 'Fort Worth Runway One' really have done me a favour and I prefer this
CD
> > high above CDs like Turn of the Tides and Rockoon.
I really like 'Rising Haul in Silence' as I find elements of the older TD
in it. Although a lot of the compositions seem kind of dark, I do think
they fit together in an album better than those of TotT and Rockoon.
>
> yeeehhuuhh???? Over Rockoon!?! Do you have a copy of Yanni's 'In My
> Time' in your collection? heh heh (jus a little joke there dude...relax)
The slower tracks on Rockoon are the best on the album, very ambient like,
although I'm not a sax fan.
They are as picturesque as 'Virtuality Fields' is from Dream Mixes.
>
> Tyranny of Beauty is OK,
Actually this is my fav of 90's studio albums.
esp. the power of 'Living in a fountain pen'
> > but still more or less the same kind of music throughout the whole CD.
I thought the other albums jumped to too many places for being seaperate
tracks and not a long storyline of a composition like Force Majeure or
Tangram.
> >
> > The guitarists Mark Hornby and Gerald Gradwool have done a splendid job
on
> > Goblins' Club and they surpass Zlatko Perica on all fronts, IMO. His
solos
> > on Tournado sound very 'out of phase with the rest of the music' to me
and
> > also occurred to me during performances.
> >
> > Just to let you know this and everybody has of course his own opinion
about
> > each TD CD !!
> >
> Yes, this is true.....and mine is...Goblin's Club is the ONLY TD CD I
> have listened to twice. Once to hear it for the first time...the second
> time because I couldn't believe my ears. I had to confirm it was as bad
> as I thought....and it was. Doh!
I was hurting until I heard the whole CD at least 5 times and the tracks
began to make sense. I used to own Encore a while back when I got into TD
and having been used to modern day TD, I could not stand the *noise* of
Encore, unfortunately I returned it, never to find it again. There is a big
adjustment between older and new stuff, learning to appreciate both eras is
work in itself, but rewarding.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > Cheeeeeeers, Wouter.
Greg...
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At 12:19 PM 10/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
>
>
>In a message dated 97-10-27 11:44:44 EST, you write:
>
><< DUUUUUR!! It IS ambient. Whether you like it or not, guitar rifts and
> drums can't save a song from being labeled as ambient. Ambient is slow,
> smooth, sonic wallpaper that does little more than create an atmosphere
> to smoke a log of dogs$#t to or worship your Schulze crystal cd jewel
> cases whislt burning incense made of the latest TD albums .
You can't be serious... so you don't think ambient is music... hmm... what
kind of TD fan are you?
> and considering I'm a soundtrack appreciater that's pretty sad for him.
Gee... you kinda discredit yourself here... :)
>
>tell me this is a joke...right?
I sure hope it is.
Morgan
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Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-10-26 11:07:48 EST, you write:
<< now what was it you wanted?
lars >>
I said, did you get the limited edition Tangerine Dream Tarot Card
set with illustrated book and compendium by the late Salvadore Dali. You
should have gotten it by now, I shipped it out Thursday. Each card has a
collage print done by Monique or Edgar and a three inch CD with an eight to
thirteen minute music selection referenced to the title of the associated
card. 78 cards 78 CDs all new, all one of a kind editions. The deck weighs
thity-six pounds and is difficult to shuffle. Limited edition - fifteen
copies - retail price $ 36,000.00 US.
Happy All Hallows Eve.
Phil Naunton
P.S. Errr, just in case - This is a joke. This is a joke. This is a joke.
This is a joke. This is a joke. This is a joke. This is a joke. This is
a joke. This is a joke. This is a joke. This is a joke. This is a joke.
This is a joke. This is a joke. This is a joke. This is a joke. This is
a joke. This is a joke. This is a joke. This is a joke. This is a joke.
This is a joke. This is a joke. This is a joke. This is a joke.
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Date: Mon Oct 27, 1997 7:20
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Subject: Re: 'Tyranny' floppy
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Really-From: Antonio Nunes
tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Elana who?
>
>
> Errrrrr... something about this suggestion is really bugging my sense of
> integrity, and frankly I am not sure exactly what it is, but... I
> dunno...
> just that gut-level sense of 'something about this just isn't right' is
> enough for me to feel like I cannot fall short on that.
>
> Whoever gets this floppy in trade can do whatever they want with it...
> make a coaster out of it, decorate their hat with it, make three zillion
> copies with it, trade it with someone else, or whatever. That's THEIR
> concience to deal with.
>
> My own concience deals on a different level... in a way, I was kinda
> sorta
> entrusted by Miramar with this disk, and even though I know that they'd
> never remember me anymore or even care much by now about whether if I'm
> the one to go actively copy/bootleg this disk, *I* ultimately care enough
> to not actively copy. I have to, as an E-Dreamer. And that is all that
> really matters.
>
> -Elana
Hi Elana,
The following text is a copy/paste extract of the file MIRAMAR.TXT
included in that floppy:
<<
WE HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THE DISTRIBUTION OF THIS INTERACTIVE PRESS KIT TO
ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY. GIVE IT AWAY TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU LIKE.
COPY DISKS FOR FRIENDS AND FAMILY. JUST DON'T SELL IT OR RIP OFF OUR
IDEAS BECAUSE WE HEREBY SERVE NOTICE THAT THE INFORMATION CONTAINED ON
THE DISK IS COPYRIGHT 1995 MIRAMAR IMAGES, INC.
>>
You see, they _encourage_ duplication. They even had the package
available for download from their web site last year, and that's how
I've got it.
And now I see why you want to get rid of that floppy. The program shows
a golden circle instead of a golden triangle :-)
Antonio
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Subject: Re: Why Love on a Real Train is Popular
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In a message dated 97-10-26 10:45:41 EST, you write:
<< << Because it is pure sex in every conceivable way. >>
Hmmm, Phil, it sounds like you have a one track mind (pun intended LOL)
:-) Dell
>>
Possibly. But the Chicago 'L' is a three track system, and it's
that third rail that will fry your giblets. Urban Legend has it that a guy
_was_ terminated by taking a leak on the Power Rail about ten years ago or
so. If so, I wonder if it was good for him. We'll never know.
So much for the one track mind. :-)
Phil Naunton
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Subject: Re: Goblins' Club ??? Not that bad, IMO
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Really-From: Dave Brewer
> Quoted From: 'Greg Heil'
>
> I second that Goblin's Club has great compositions, but the guitar is a bit
> strong in a couple songs.. more so seems seaperate from the music than a
> part of it.
I personally feel that Goblins Club is just about the best thing TD's
done since Melrose. (another fav) I'm still waiting to hear Oasis and
Tournado... (I hope they're coming soon!)
> But then I thought Turn Of the Tides was really quite a sleeper for me
> except for a couple tracks on it.
>
I think TotT is okay, not great enough for me to put it in the player
more often than about once every month or two. But I think Zlatko's
playing is quite good on that LP.
> I really like 'Rising Haul in Silence' as I find elements of the older TD
> in it. Although a lot of the compositions seem kind of dark, I do think
> they fit together in an album better than those of TotT and Rockoon.
Yeah, I like Rising Haul quite a bit myself. (probably for the same
reason)
> I was hurting until I heard the whole CD at least 5 times and the tracks
> began to make sense. I used to own Encore a while back when I got into TD
> and having been used to modern day TD, I could not stand the *noise* of
> Encore, unfortunately I returned it, never to find it again. There is a big
> adjustment between older and new stuff, learning to appreciate both eras is
> work in itself, but rewarding.
>
It took me more than one listening, but not that many. But I've found
most of TD took me more than one listening before I got into it. I
remember listening to Phaedra and Force Majeure for the first time at a
friend's house and making a lemon-like face. (but I did like Rubycon the
first time I heard it... go figure) Now, of course, I love FM and Phaedra.
Also, not too long after first discovering TD, I picked up a tape copy of
Zeit... My exact thoughts were 'What the hell is this??!' This was coming
from someone who had heard only Legend, Optical Race and Underwater
Sunlight at the time. (all are favs) I bought it cuz I liked the cover
painting, and it said 1985 on it (not knowing that was the reissiue date,
not the date of the recording... DOH!) Now I think Zeit is okay most of the
time, really good when I'm in the right mood, and Birth of Liquid Plejades
is one of my favorite tracks. (but I still like Alpha Centauri more overall)
Now, of course I like pretty much everything, but some does depend on my
mood.
On a side note, I actually had a TD related dream the other night... I
was in a record store, and actually found a copy of Froese's Epsilon in
Malaysian Pale CD. I was very happy! I guess that means I want this CD.
Funny, I listened to it a few years back at a used shop, and had a Zeit-
similar 'What the hell is this??!' reaction and didn't buy it. :-/
Sometimes, I just can't figure myself out...
Dave Brewer
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Date: Tue Oct 28, 1997 2:19
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Subject: Goblin's Club/Encore
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
TO DAVE BREWER: go get Encore again. The definitive edition sounds better
and each side-length movement is individually tracked (by the 'section...')
It's one of the definitive live statements of 70s TD.
TO DAVE & GABE: hey, I've been listening to TD since 1985. I know what I
like of their output and what I don't. Goblin's Club did not have one
'keeper' track. Melrose several. Rockoon was great, representing another
significant change in their sound (as did Underwater Sunlight,
Pergamon/Tangram, etc.) from a format they'd pushed since signing to
Private Music. Turn of the Tides was disappointing, yet interesting if you
pretend it's not TD.
Tyranny of Beauty is much better than Gabblin's Pub. Not one track on the
latter matches 'Living In A Fountain Pen,' 'Bride In Cold Tears,' (the
techno-ish single-only track, 'Quasar,' also!), etc. It's the humble truth.
But we know who TD are, and what Edgar Froese, Klaus Schulze (as the REST
of you like to say!), Manuel Gottsching, and Conrad Schnitzler and others
accomplished in establishing the 'Berlin School of Electronics.' Dream
Mixes is killer, too! Lays waste to Goober's Chub...
HOWEVER, when some great talent like Mark Shreeve comes along and, with
just a few albums, gives a landmark like TD a run for their money, despite
their extensive discography (AND despite Mark's sporadic release
schedule--step it up, Mark! Get that Red Shift/Ether vibe out of your blood
and pump out another Legion or Crash Head!!!!! you've got fans to
maintain!), then Edgar and company need to get that huge stone rolling...or
maybe they don't. I hope Ed isn't burned out. Nah. I know he ain't, he's
just teasing us before he drops the WHOPPER that's going to lay waste to
TD's imitators.....RIGHT, Edgar?!?!?!?!? (Better hope so...)
Love always,
E-Man
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Really-From: DJS
You can't be serious... so you don't think ambient is music... hmm...
what
> kind of TD fan are you?
i'm not a fan. That's short for fanatic right? I have several TD
CD's...but I am selective with the TD I like. Sadly, so many people like
everything they have done. If TD sampled cows passing gas so many guys
in this group would buy it and praise it. I call it the Star Trek Flu.
You see, Voyager really stinks but most Star Trek fans refuse to
acknowledge this because they are too damn loyal. The fact is, the
writing on the show sucks serious ass. For cryin out loud, have some
discernment.
> > and considering I'm a soundtrack appreciater that's pretty sad for him.
>
> Gee... you kinda discredit yourself here... :)
>
What does this mean? In what sense do I discredit myself?
> >
> >tell me this is a joke...right?
>
> I sure hope it is.
It's no joke. I hope you can still sleep at night.
Dano
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Subject: Miramar Oasis release
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Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves
Hello out there,
I just got a review copy and press kit of the Miramar release of Oasis. The
new cover is a red cloud sky with lightning bolts. The original cover art is
now the back cover. The new track 'Chia Maroon' is nice. It is in the Dream
mixes vein but more layed back. A good solid piece so the new soundtrack is
worth having.
Miamar #09006-23099-2
Happy hunting you lucky collectors and enthusiasts.
CHEERS...Matt
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Subject: Death Of A Band?
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> But we know who TD are, and what Edgar Froese, Klaus Schulze (as the REST
> of you like to say!), Manuel Gottsching, and Conrad Schnitzler and others
> accomplished in establishing the 'Berlin School of Electronics.' Dream
> Mixes is killer, too! Lays waste to Goober's Chub...
>
> HOWEVER, when some great talent like Mark Shreeve comes along and, with
> just a few albums, gives a landmark like TD a run for their money, despite
> their extensive discography (AND despite Mark's sporadic release
> schedule--step it up, Mark! Get that Red Shift/Ether vibe out of your blood
> and pump out another Legion or Crash Head!!!!! you've got fans to
> maintain!), then Edgar and company need to get that huge stone rolling...or
> maybe they don't. I hope Ed isn't burned out. Nah. I know he ain't, he's
> just teasing us before he drops the WHOPPER that's going to lay waste to
> TD's imitators.
The only problem is that every sound, every keyboard has been used. What
else can really be invented. Edgar's problem is he wants TD to be so
different and maintain a constant change. If he would just go back to a
melodic, progressive, non-popish sound (for god's sake get rid of that
damn rapper's drum kit yer using Ed!!) then I think the music would be a
lot more interesting. TD's music used to take me on endless journeys
when I turned out the lights and put my headphones on. Now the music
just makes me feel like I'm on some dance floor with my boogie shoes
flashing Mark Wahlberg a thumb's up for wearin' bell bottom white pants.
What a shame to go from Baumann to Franke to Schmoelling to Haslinger
to.....ahhh!!.....Jerome!! It's like asking Michael Bolton to take over
the band. Jerome's musical style is on the other side of the planet. I
can see the future of T Dream....and it rhymes with Scritti Politti,
When In Rome, The Cure and Culture Club. okay, maybe Jerome only LOOKS
like Boy George so we'll leave that last one out. Maybe at least Jerome
will spare us live performances of exact music we already have on CD at
home. After all, for those of you who have been fooled all these
years...TD DOES make heavy use of DAT recorders when they play live.
That means about 20% of the music you hear is actually live and
improvised. Now that's sad. Deny it if you'd like....I was there in 1988
when it botched...but that's another story.
Regards,
Dan
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> Really-From: DJS
>
>
> The only problem is that every sound, every keyboard has been used. What
> else can really be invented. Edgar's problem is he wants TD to be so
> different and maintain a constant change. If he would just go back to a
> melodic, progressive, non-popish sound (for god's sake get rid of that
> damn rapper's drum kit yer using Ed!!) then I think the music would be a
> lot more interesting. TD's music used to take me on endless journeys
> when I turned out the lights and put my headphones on. Now the music
> just makes me feel like I'm on some dance floor with my boogie shoes
> flashing Mark Wahlberg a thumb's up for wearin' bell bottom white pants.
> What a shame to go from Baumann to Franke to Schmoelling to Haslinger
> to.....ahhh!!.....Jerome!! It's like asking Michael Bolton to take over
> the band. Jerome's musical style is on the other side of the planet. I
> can see the future of T Dream....and it rhymes with Scritti Politti,
> When In Rome, The Cure and Culture Club. okay, maybe Jerome only LOOKS
> like Boy George so we'll leave that last one out. Maybe at least Jerome
> will spare us live performances of exact music we already have on CD at
> home. After all, for those of you who have been fooled all these
> years...TD DOES make heavy use of DAT recorders when they play live.
> That means about 20% of the music you hear is actually live and
> improvised. Now that's sad. Deny it if you'd like....I was there in 1988
> when it botched...but that's another story.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
Wasn't it really the technology, the thrill of the new technology that was
a big part of how TD evolved? When an artist gets new toys to play with,
creativity goes like mad! So maybe 'ole Digital synths that can do just
about anything have really, expanded the possibilites of sound to such a
high extent that any band who is well into sound as TD is, can be exhusted
by the vast possibilities offered! That's why I think limitations are still
important as a basis to build upon, as you pretty much know what sounds you
can get out of any particular instrument.
I disagree, kind of, about Jerome. I think if what they say is true, that
Jerome is into the Force Majuere/Tangram sound, that things wont be so bad.
I still love his tracks from The Dream Mixes, and I would enjoy more of the
same in that style as many others (I would assume) too.
So who really is responsible for the directions TD has made in the past
seven years? Was it the limitations of putting a then non-keyboard playing
musician on the TD lineup? But then Chris was just a drummer at the start
too! No matter what anyone says, Jerome is an awesome musician capable of
many things. Lets hope he has his father's taste in music as well. =o)
The future of concerts could be keyboards named after the musicians and
play themselves.. or even.. a fully mechanized concert where the 'boards
compose, sequence, and play the music all in one pop... *gasp the thought!*
Greg...
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>HOWEVER, when some great talent like Mark Shreeve comes along and, with
>just a few albums, gives a landmark like TD a run for their money, despite
>their extensive discography (AND despite Mark's sporadic release
>schedule--step it up, Mark! Get that Red Shift/Ether vibe out of your blood
>and pump out another Legion or Crash Head!!!!! you've got fans to
>maintain!), then Edgar and company need to get that huge stone rolling...or
All I'll say on this (I should probably keep quiet I know) is I'd love
to hear some new 'real' Mark Shreeve. He has a style worthy of
imitation (and it's been done). I simply ask you: 'who will imitate
Red Shift'?
There'd be no point; the message would be diluted. Imitation would be
based on the source not a copy (any of this making sense?).
A brighter thought occurs to me: that if anyone *can* take this style
further - ie. 'progress', Mark's a good bet. After all, look how the
symphony progressed from Haydn to Mozart and then Beethoven (OK,
stretching my point like a stretchy thing...).
Anyway, Red Shift is brill for those who missed it first time round
and as nostalgia for us oldsters. Sure I love it, I admit freely. But
I hope it's not the end of Mark Shreeve's own style which I feel is
ultimately far more important.
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>The only problem is that every sound, every keyboard has been used. What
>else can really be invented. Edgar's problem is he wants TD to be so
It's all down to musial invention. You could say that all classical
instruments have been 'used' but composers even today find new and
innovative ways round these 'limitations'. With synths it is just so
easy to dial up another preset or load another sample disk that this
hard work approach rarely happens. With an almost infinite number of
choices you are left with no choice. As Nick Rothwell once said : 'a
keyboard with 1700 sounds? That's not synthesis, that's Cable TV!'
This is one reason TD's music has become so shallow. With their
'limited' old synths, mellotrons etc. they had to add real creative
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>Stop smoking, yourself, buddy, it was a JOKE!!! You obviously missed Steven
>Feldman's earlier post to which I was responding. All I did was laughably
>break up a number of years into three more subcategories and give them the
>prefix of 'psychedeli-' or 'prog-' There ARE NO such categories (though
>today there might be, heh heh). So chill out.
Ok, sorry for getting so wound up. I did catch Steven's post and even
re-read it...I guess I get it now, but in all honesty, one can read
your post either way. No hard feelings...thus are the problems of
electronic communication I suppose. And hey, I *know* that
'psychedeliambient' is not a real category, I thought you were serious
about defining that one for yourself.
I agree though: its gonna be a matter of weeks only before *someone*
actually writes about 'psychedliambient' in 'Rolling Stone' or so.
After all, its Tuesday already and I haven't heard a new music
category yet this week...what's wrong?
Hilmar
still waiting for TDs Trashfloor or Acid-Rave or Gabba or Triphop or
Dream House or Goa or Energy-Trance Remix of 'Birth Of Liquid
Plejades'
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Subject: Re: Ambient
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>DUUUUUR!! It IS ambient. Whether you like it or not, guitar rifts and
>drums can't save a song from being labeled as ambient.
Yes, but what's your point? I was stating that TD 1973-1977 can hardy
be called ambient. Maybe parts of 'Atem' qualify, but that's about
all. Certainly not 'Encore' with its driving sequencers and guitars. I
know it is certainly possible to create an ambient track that contains
guitar and drums, but are you really saying that TD 'IS ambient'???
>Ambient is slow, smooth, sonic wallpaper that does
>little more than create an atmosphere to smoke
>a log of dogs$#t to or worship your Schulze crystal cd jewel
>cases whislt burning incense made of the latest TD albums
Yes, that is exactly what ambient is (and TD is not). Brian Eno
himself made it a point to classify his own music as 'wallpaper'.
Unlike you, he didn't mean this as a swearword though, he specifically
wanted to create music that does nothing else than setting a
background mood. He never asked to be compared to traditional pop
music. If that's what you do, no wonder you will be disappointed.
>Brian Eno is only an established
>'musician' because he was born before keyboards were invented and spewed
>forth sonic garbage before the rest of us got the chance to get our
>hands on a moog or Korg.
No, Brian Eno is an *established* musician because he was among the
first if not THE first to provide unique and interesting sounds to the
pop music genre with Roxy Music. While others have been there before
him in the experimental rock arenas (Pink Floyd etc.) he was among the
first to do so in a fairly pop-oriented band such as Roxy Music. He
also *established* himself with his non-ambient solo albums such as
'Another Green World' which contain traditional songs with lyrics, yet
were cited as being full of creativity and imagination at the time.
Note that I only reference your word *established* here, I am not
trying to argue wether he is a good or bad musician, or even if he is
a musician at all (as he doesn't seem to consider himself one
according to an interview I once read).
I am not a big fan of ambient and Eno's ambient projects myself. But I
certainly respect the man for his musical experiments and for
venturing into more unknown musical areas than almost anybody else.
Some of his experiments were succesful (e.g. with David Bowie or David
Byrne), others probably not. But at least he did them and is still
doing them, something which cannot be said for a certain band from
Berlin that labels itself 'the world's leading synthesizer band'...
Hilmar
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>Really-From: DJS
Ambient
>shouldn't even be classified as music. Brian Eno is only an established
>'musician' because he was born before keyboards were invented and spewed
>forth sonic garbage before the rest of us got the chance to get our
>hands on a moog or Korg. Heck, I'd rather listen to farts reverberate in
>a hollow mansion hall before listening to his prophecy theme from Dune,
You want bad? Bill hired Eno for that #&$&!!! Windows95 sound. I remixed
it backwards and have it play when I shut down my PC, just to remind me
that Bill is Evil.....
GDRFC
'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road.
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On Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:25:24 GMT tadream mailing list
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> It's all down to musial invention. You could say that all classical
> instruments have been 'used' but composers even today find new and
> innovative ways round these 'limitations'. With synths it is just so
> easy to dial up another preset or load another sample disk that this
> hard work approach rarely happens. With an almost infinite number of
> choices you are left with no choice. As Nick Rothwell once said : 'a
> keyboard with 1700 sounds? That's not synthesis, that's Cable TV!'
>
> This is one reason TD's music has become so shallow. With their
> 'limited' old synths, mellotrons etc. they had to add real creative
> inputs to make something interesting.....
>
> Paul (who else?)
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It certainly takes away a lot of the fascination that used
to be TD when the element of three men mastering an
unwilling bunch of instruments and doing all sorts of
interesting things with FX processors, recording
techniques, and a unique combination of acoustic
instruments, electronic instruments, and sounds that aren't
actually produced by 'instruments' at all has gone amiss.
These days, every 'Personal Keyboard' from Yamaha, Casio or
whatever has these features, and with modern computer
software it's just so easy to merge it all together by
clicking, dragging etc. Of course that has an impact of how
the music TD are playing is perceived; it just doesn't
sound special any more because you know (or at least have a
vague idea about) how they do it.
Dennis
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> That's because most popular, trendy genres have disavowed
them so
>that they have been ghetto-ized in all manner of record store
sections.
>At three stores I know, they are in the 'Krautrock' section, so
not
>*everyone* is clueless, but still. Rock folks tend to think
they are
There's a store near me that has no categories. Everything's
thrown in together: rock, classical, new age, country, etc. Their
philosophy is that there are so many cross-overs, how could you keep
them separate? Frank Zappa has done jazz, as have many other rock
artists; John Tesh could just as easily fit in 'easy listening' (for
who?) as New Age. And what of TD? Rock? New Age? Jazz? Better to pile
everyone together, they say. Not a bad idea. It's interesting to see TD
so near Talking Heads and James Taylor.
Scott
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Subject: Tyranny IPK /Antonio
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I can second what Antonio says about Mirimar's encouragement to distribute
the floppy...and can also confirm that is was available for download from
the website...
And for you REAL collectors...I know there are at least two versions of
this press kit...they are similar but one has more stuff than the
other....
MJ
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In a message dated 97-10-28 02:52:07 EST, you write:
<< It's no joke. I hope you can still sleep at night. >>
i sleep fine...especially when one of the 200+ fax discs is on the
player...but, since ur previous post about 'ambient' music was not a joke,
let me just say it was the most ignorant thing ive read on this list...let me
quote some of ur innanities:
Ambient is slow,
smooth, sonic wallpaper that does little more than create an atmosphere
to smoke a log of dogs$#t to or worship your Schulze crystal cd jewel
cases whislt burning incense made of the latest TD albums .
or this jewel:
Ambient
shouldn't even be classified as music.
or ur lucid conclusion:
Brian Eno is only an established
'musician' because he was born before keyboards were invented and spewed
forth sonic garbage before the rest of us got the chance to get our
hands on a moog or Korg. Heck, I'd rather listen to farts reverberate in
a hollow mansion hall before listening to his prophecy theme from Dune
maybe ud care to illuminate us on what brian eno compositions are sonic
garbage, besides the dune theme? and while ur at it, maybe u wanna share ur
definition of ambient and discuss some of the artists u associate with this
genre...and for someone to be on a list that discusses electronic music and
not recognize the role of 'ambient' in general and brian eno in particular is
pathetic...i dont know what kind of music u make, but i really look forward
to hearing it...then i can compare it to farts reverberating in a hollow
mansion hall...
tom w
np: ambient cookbook disc 2 (fax)
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Date: Tue Oct 28, 1997 4:22
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Subject: TD in the World Series
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
I've been forgetting to post this:
Last Tuesday during the World Series, I heard a snippet from Quinoa
being played at Pro Player Stadium in Miami. Anyone else hear it? There
must be quite a TD fan working there to play something from such an
obscure release!
Scott E. Plumer
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Subject: Jerome Can Rock With The Best Of 'Em
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
THIS IS TO GREG HEIL, AS I AM TOO LAZY TO PASTE HIS NOTE HERE:
Greg, if you like the Edgar and son variation of TD, then that's fine.
However, every young musician has time to grow, to nurture his
technique,...to become that player who inspires other musicians and
enthusiasts. Jerome is not quite there yet, he's riding on his father's
coattails--I'm not saying he's not a good 'musician,' but he hasn't
affected mwah yet in his own right as a composer; when I read a credit like
'J. Froese/E. Froese,' and Jerom's name comes first (signifying he came up
with at least the main, or one of, the main melodies, and a bridge, etc.,
or more), I have yet to distinguish, 'Aaaaaah, yes! That definitely has
Jerome's mark upon it! I can 'hear' Jerome's 'signature' on this tune!' I
know TD is not about that. that they endeavor to create one unified,
cohesive composition, usually--but back in the F/F/S or F/F/H days, it was
gratifying to discern who was doing what, especially with all that exciting
music flying around. 'Valley of the Sun' off the DRC is such a gem, I can't
believe there was this other entire 'lost album' versus a 'lost' track,
besides Green Desert, originally.
Regards,
E-Man
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>It certainly takes away a lot of the fascination that used
>to be TD when the element of three men mastering an
>unwilling bunch of instruments and doing all sorts of
I've said this before, but it bears repeating: I don't think it
matter _what_ they make music with, it's what they do with it that
counts. Would you criticize an author for not using a manual typewriter?
Does using a word processor make you less of an author? Not necessarily.
If, say, John Steinbeck had used a word processor, would he have been
any less? No, not unless his increased productivity made him put out
stuff on the par of, say, Robert James Waller. TD may be suffering from
overproduction.
On a side note, I've been listening to 220 Volt quite a lot
lately. I think it really rocks! I like it a lot!
Scott
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Subject: Dali programme : BBC
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I take it that there was no mention of Edgar in the Salvador Dali
life story programme on BBC1 last week?
Lawry
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Hello Tadreamers,
This is my first proper post to Tadream in about 2 years. Having
changed jobs twice since then meant I lost email privileges until now,
where I have a new job and new email address. It is good to be back.
Myself and two pals are driving from Ireland to Scotland (by ferry) on
Saturday to take in the Glasgow gig, then on to Leeds on Sunday for that
concert and finally on to Birmingham on Monday for our final concert.
We return home to Ireland on Tuesday. A bit of a pilgrimage in a way I
guess, but one worth it I hope you will agree!
Anyone else going to these gigs or doing something similar?
Regards,
Conrad Gibbons
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> ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... :
>
> >The only problem is that every sound, every keyboard has been used. What
> >else can really be invented. Edgar's problem is he wants TD to be so
>
> It's all down to musial invention. You could say that all classical
> instruments have been 'used' but composers even today find new and
> innovative ways round these 'limitations'. With synths it is just so
> easy to dial up another preset or load another sample disk that this
> hard work approach rarely happens. With an almost infinite number of
> choices you are left with no choice. As Nick Rothwell once said : 'a
> keyboard with 1700 sounds? That's not synthesis, that's Cable TV!'
>
> This is one reason TD's music has become so shallow. With their
> 'limited' old synths, mellotrons etc. they had to add real creative
> inputs to make something interesting.....
>
> Paul (who else?)
>
Extremely well put. Well, maybe something new will come up. After all, a
few years ago the internet hadn't even been invented. Who knows what may
come as yet.
Dan
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Date: Tue Oct 28, 1997 7:43
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> << It's no joke. I hope you can still sleep at night. >>
>
> i sleep fine...especially when one of the 200+ fax discs is on the
> player
If you listen to Eno...you should be in a coma by now..
> let me just say it was the most ignorant thing ive read on this list
And your opinion of my 'ignorance' means what to me?
> quote some of ur innanities:
>
> Ambient is slow,
> smooth, sonic wallpaper that does little more than create an atmosphere
> to smoke a log of dogs$#t to or worship your Schulze crystal cd jewel
> cases whislt burning incense made of the latest TD albums .
>
> or this jewel:
>
> Ambient
> shouldn't even be classified as music.
Like I said, anyone with a casio can make this garbage...hey...even YOU
can make an album dude.
>
> or ur lucid conclusion:
>
> Brian Eno is only an established
> 'musician' because he was born before keyboards were invented and spewed
> forth sonic garbage before the rest of us got the chance to get our
> hands on a moog or Korg. Heck, I'd rather listen to farts reverberate in
> a hollow mansion hall before listening to his prophecy theme from Dune
>
> maybe ud care to illuminate us on what brian eno compositions are sonic
> garbage, besides the dune theme? and while ur at it, maybe u wanna share
Pick an album...any album
ur
> definition of ambient and discuss some of the artists u associate with this
> genre...and for someone to be on a list that discusses electronic music and
> not recognize the role of 'ambient' in general and brian eno in particular is
> pathetic
But I did recognize it....as crap of course.
> to hearing it...then i can compare it to farts reverberating in a hollow
> mansion hall...
>
I'll let you know when my first CD hits. If you don't admire Mark
Shreeve, Pickford or Goblin then you wouldn't like my music. I'm
assuming you dig Eno so don't expect much.
rock on
Dan
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In a message dated 97-10-28 13:49:01 EST, you write:
<< Really-From: DJS
> << It's no joke. I hope you can still sleep at night. >>
>
> i sleep fine...especially when one of the 200+ fax discs is on the
> player
If you listen to Eno...you should be in a coma by now..
nope, still wide awake and constantly hearing things on albums that are 20
years old that i hadnt heard b4...wish i could say the same about alot of
other music...
> let me just say it was the most ignorant thing ive read on this list
And your opinion of my 'ignorance' means what to me?
what should it mean? if uve gotten this far in life its obviously benefited u
well.. doesnt mean it shouldnt be pointed out from time to time...
> quote some of ur innanities:
>
> Ambient is slow,
> smooth, sonic wallpaper that does little more than create an atmosphere
> to smoke a log of dogs$#t to or worship your Schulze crystal cd jewel
> cases whislt burning incense made of the latest TD albums .
>
> or this jewel:
>
> Ambient
> shouldn't even be classified as music.
Like I said, anyone with a casio can make this garbage...hey...even YOU
can make an album dude.
true...and maybe i have....but id rather leave it to people such as urself
who have something to prove...
> or ur lucid conclusion:
>
> Brian Eno is only an established
> 'musician' because he was born before keyboards were invented and spewed
> forth sonic garbage before the rest of us got the chance to get our
> hands on a moog or Korg. Heck, I'd rather listen to farts reverberate in
> a hollow mansion hall before listening to his prophecy theme from Dune
>
> maybe ud care to illuminate us on what brian eno compositions are sonic
> garbage, besides the dune theme? and while ur at it, maybe u wanna share
Pick an album...any album
guess uve listened to them all huh?
ur
> definition of ambient and discuss some of the artists u associate with
this
> genre...and for someone to be on a list that discusses electronic music
and
> not recognize the role of 'ambient' in general and brian eno in particular
is
> pathetic
But I did recognize it....as crap of course.
so u feel qualified to dismiss a whole universe of musical product as crap?
id hate to hear how u react to art or literature....
> to hearing it...then i can compare it to farts reverberating in a hollow
> mansion hall...
>
I'll let you know when my first CD hits. If you don't admire Mark
Shreeve, Pickford or Goblin then you wouldn't like my music. I'm
assuming you dig Eno so don't expect much.
quite the opposite...if eno is crap than i expect ur cd to blow me away....or
to simply blow...
rock on
Dan
>>
naaa...in trance baby....
tom w
np: laswell et.al. - sacred system chapter 2 ( but is it ambient? or crap?)
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Subject: Re: Why Love on a Real Train is Popular
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> > Steven: Make money from Love on a Real Train? Really? Somehow, I
> >don't think so. Or..... please explain to me, since I am not a musician,
> >what it is about this song that turns everybody on? [. . .]
This topic came up a few months back (something to do with the 'Woman and
TD thread, if I recall correctly). I happen to think it's just a
beautiful, atmospheric piece of music...but would agree that the secret of
it's success lies with its association with Risky Business. The sex on
the subway scene touches something primal in a lot of people, I think. A
lot of people I know immediately recognize the song as being from Risky
Business when they hear it. Movies speak to a lot of people's dreams and
fantasies; they are the myth-makers of our era. And here, TD gave one
particular myth a voice.
> although if techno DJs continue ripping off RUBYCON at the rate they
> are, sooner or later, RUBYCON might become the most-recognized TD for
> Americans. ;)
Just thought i should mention that a new 'Best of New Age' compilation
just came out, which features cover versions of a dozen or so 'best-loved'
New Age classics (by Enya, Vangelis and the like). TD is represented by
'Final Statement' from Miracle Mile!
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'A paranoiac is someone
in possession of the facts'
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At 09:25 AM 10/28/97 GMT, you wrote:
As Nick Rothwell once said : 'a
>keyboard with 1700 sounds? That's not synthesis, that's Cable TV!'
>
>This is one reason TD's music has become so shallow. With their
>'limited' old synths, mellotrons etc. they had to add real creative
>inputs to make something interesting.....
>
>Paul (who else?)
DINGDINGDING!!!
Paul hits the proverbial nail-head here! I've really begun to get disgusted
with new KB's 'cos of this exact thing. Gimme 'dem knobs! Give me credit
for a brain and the creative juice to make my own sounds.
Mike
Chew-Toy for Supermodels
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Subject: musical identity--Jerome vs. Edgar
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
I think that Jerome HAS developed a distinct musical personality from his
father. To take a recent example:
--listen to most of _Oasis_, and note how much of it sounds like older
TD, older Froese, or _Beyond The Storm_. I don't just mean the timbres,
I mean the overall approach to structure and melody, too.
--listen to 'Summer Storm', and remark how different it sounds from the
rest of _Oasis_.
--or even more obvious: 'The Conspiracy' and 'Missing Link' vs. the rest
of _Zoning_.
Basically, I think Jerome's approach to composition is a little more
'modern' than his father's. Most of us can smell a typical Edgar melody
over a mile away, and there's lots of them on _Oasis_. Edgar's melodies
tend to be very 'pure' and modal in nature (I think), whereas Jerome is much
less afraid of chromatics and dissonance--in his melodies, you can hear
intervals that are uncommon to nonexistent in Edgar's. His choice of
rhythms also tends to be more staccato and a bit more prone to rock or techno
'orthodoxy', and less quirky than Edgar's. And there is indeed some
difference in timbre preference there, too.
Also, (I should be saving this for D:BtS week maybe), Edgar is still able
to communicate a warmth and depth of expression in his music that Jerome has
yet to master, almost like he gets too caught up in the technical side of
electronic composition. This is mostly in his recent solo music, though;
he is tending to strike out more when he composes as part of TD. I'd
take just about anything from _BtS_ over 'United Goblin's Parade' or 'Sad
Merlin's Sunday', a track which, ironically, incorporates ideas from some
of BtS's best pieces and makes a mess of them.
Gabe
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Subject: Wanted UK tour cd-release
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Really-From: 'Florine Epure'
Hi,
Anybody going to any uk tour concerts can get The KEEP-pre-release cd
for me?
I can pay it or exchange for other rare material on cd or tape from my
new swap list. If you need more info please contact me privately.
Thanks,
Florin.
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Subject: No JIM & PABLO for *me*, thank you.
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>Subject: Re: Edgar's Opera [. . .] / Jim&Pablo
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 00:42:44 +0100
>Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
>Steven, if you really hate opera, what about not buying it even if it'll
>be an official TD CD ?
Well, I'll have to buy it, but that doesn't mean that I'll like it.
>To be serious, I=B4ve decided not to buy every upcoming TD release.
>That has been an easy decision after hearing a Jim&Pablo:der Meteor tape.
I've already made the decision not to by *any* of the 44 JIM & PABLO
CDs (don't forget: 11 German, 11 American, 11 German CD-ROMs, 11 American
CD-ROMs!!!). I'll hold out for a THE COLLECTED JIM & PABLO SOUNDTRACKS
CD, if and when such exists, but otherwise, forget it.
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: Re: NIGHTFLYERS soundtrack by Doug Timm
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>Subject: Re: NIGHTFLYERS soundtrack by Doug Timm
>Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:35:14 -0800
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Organization: Rakinik Intertype
>Really-From: DJS
>
>> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>>
>> Anybody got a copy of the soundtrack to NIGHTFLYERS by Doug Timm?
>> [. . .] It's like the Schmoelling period stuff, by the way [. . .]
>
>Though I work with the soundtrack gods I cannot get this for you on
>CD...er...but I saw the vinyl recently and can get it...but it's pricey.
>$20 I believe was the price...if ya want vinyl.
And why is it 'pricey'? Is it just because it had a low print run
and non-e-music soundtrack collectors tend to value something merely
for its scarcity, or . . . could it be that this soundtrack is indeed
regarded highly in some quarters???
At any rate, is the $20.00 for a sealed copy, or for a used one?
And what country is your company in, by the way? (Paying for overseas
postage is always an unpleasant experience.)
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Wed Oct 29, 1997 12:16
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Subject: Re: Goblin's Club/Encore
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> Quoted From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
> TO DAVE BREWER: go get Encore again. The definitive edition sounds better
> and each side-length movement is individually tracked (by the 'section...')
> It's one of the definitive live statements of 70s TD.
Thank you for the suggestion! But, I already have it. :-) You must've
accidentally got someone else's words put with my name... I got the def.
ed. right as it came out a coupla years back. It is superb, and even
better when followed by Patrolling Space Borders.
Dave B.
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: Netherlands GOBLINS' CLUB?
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>Goblins' Club ??? Not that bad, IMO
>Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:47:53 GMT
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: 'W.W. Bessels'
>
>I think that there are some wonderful compositions on it and a lot of
>sequencer and guitar stuff that I hadn't heard for ages in the music of TD.
>Especially songs like 'Rising Haul in Silence', 'Lamb with Radar Eyes' and
>'Fort Worth Runway One' [. . .]
Ouch! You actually *like* 'Fort Worth Runway One'?!? Yeesh.
Anyways, since you're writing from the Netherlands (if I'm correct
in assuming that the 'nl' in your net address means 'Netherlands'), I'd
like to ask if you know anything about there being a Netherlands pressing
of GOBLINS' CLUB that has 'Fort Worth Runway One' on it. I ask this
because I saw a mention of 'GOBLINS' CLUB + 1' being available from a
Netherlands dealer at the web site. I assume that
this was an error--that the dealer mean't the Australian CD that swaps
'Elf June' for 'Fort Worth'--but you never know. Maybe this CD *does*
feature both 'Elf June' and 'Fort Worth.' Does it?
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: TANGENTS Disk 4: the soundtracks
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>Subject: recommended soundtracks
>Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:42:03 -0500
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>[. . .] I just wanted to mention one 'soundtrack' that hasn't yet been
>mentioned:
>Tangents disc 4
>
>I think it's a great mix of soundtrack material; too bad DRC didn't have
>a similar disc...
Grrrr. This disk is a sore spot with me because it marks the only
time that a Virgin compilation has featured non-Virgin material ('70-'80
doesn't count because Virgin acquired the rights to ALPHA CENTAURI, ZEIT
and ATEM beforehand). Admittedly, this disk is very good. In fact, in
TOWER PULSE magazine's review of TANGENTS, it was remarked that this disk
was the only really worthwhile one in the lot!
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Wed Oct 29, 1997 12:40
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Subject: chia marooned
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
dreamers
the new US version of oasis arrived today on schedule! (now, if tournado
would just appear here...) the chia maroon track is a true bonus track,
that is, nothing has been deleted. I have mixed feelings about this track
(I've been listening to it for about an hour now, it's 4:10 I think). the
past 2 minutes sound related to oasis, but the rest doesn't seem to fit
with the overall scheme. it's just an OK track, with the first part
falling somewhere between GC and about what I expect DM2 to sound like...
kinda poppy. I won't complain too much. I still like the original Oasis
material much better and still give it a 4as
I have one copy available for trade/sale (of course you lucky brits won't
need to fight over it). please contact me off-list
lars
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Subject: Death Of A Band?
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>Really-From: DJS
[...]
>TD DOES make heavy use of DAT recorders when they play live.
>That means about 20% of the music you hear is actually live and
>improvised. Now that's sad. Deny it if you'd like....I was there in 1988
>when it botched...but that's another story.
-- do tell, please!
lars
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: Throwing the Baby Out with the Bath Water
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>Subject: Re: Ambient? Yeah, right!
>Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:38:48 -0800
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Organization: Rakinik Intertype
>Really-From: DJS
>[. . .] Ambient is slow, smooth, sonic wallpaper that does little more
>than create an atmosphere [. . .] Ambient shouldn't even be classified
>as music. [. . .]
Actually, you're right, but probably not in the way you mean. ;)
Really, now: it's unfair to equate, say Enya or Steve Halpern, to Eno's
better stuff or EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE. That's like throwing the
baby out with the bath water.
>[. . .] Brian Eno is only an established 'musician' because he was
>born before keyboards were invented and spewed forth sonic garbage
>before the rest of us got the chance to get our hands on a moog or Korg.
'Before keyboards were invented'? Now I *know* you're joking! :)
>[. . .] Heck, I'd rather listen to farts reverberate in a hollow
>mansion hall before listening to his prophecy theme from Dune, and
>considering I'm a soundtrack appreciater that's pretty sad for him.
Oh, brother; what brought *this* on? The only thing bad about this
Eno track is that it's the only one on the album! ;)
Have you heard the Passengers album (wherein U2 functioned as
Eno's studio band)? It's really rather good . . . except for the
track with Pavarotti on it.
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Re: No JIM & PABLO for *me*, thank you.
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> Quoted From: Steven Feldman
>
> I've already made the decision not to by *any* of the 44 JIM & PABLO
> CDs (don't forget: 11 German, 11 American, 11 German CD-ROMs, 11 American
> CD-ROMs!!!). I'll hold out for a THE COLLECTED JIM & PABLO SOUNDTRACKS
> CD, if and when such exists, but otherwise, forget it.
>
I agree with you whole-heartedly on all points, Steve! I may be somewhat
obsessive about TD's music, but to a lesser degree than that! :-)
On another note... Any new words on the Horizon Music Tournado & Oasis
orders??
Brewski
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Subject: Re: Death Of A Band?
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> Quoted From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
> >Really-From: DJS
> [...]
> >TD DOES make heavy use of DAT recorders when they play live.
> >That means about 20% of the music you hear is actually live and
> >improvised. Now that's sad. Deny it if you'd like....I was there in 1988
> >when it botched...but that's another story.
>
> -- do tell, please!
Don't get your hopes up, Lars... He may have confused a TD concert with
the incident at a Milli Vanilli concert! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) (I hope
Dano can see all these smileys! :-) )
Brewster
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: TYRANNY OF BEAUTY Interactive Program for Everyone?!?!
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>Subject: Re: 'Tyranny' floppy
>Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:20:51 +0000
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Antonio Nunes
>
>> Really-From: Elana who?
>>
>> Whoever gets this floppy in trade can do whatever they want with it...
Sounds like a classic case of Passing the Buck, to me.
>> [. . .] My own concience deals on a different level... [. . .]
. . . X-0
>Hi Elana,
>
>The following text is a copy/paste extract of the file MIRAMAR.TXT
>included in that floppy:
>
><<
>WE HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THE DISTRIBUTION OF THIS INTERACTIVE PRESS KIT TO
>ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY. GIVE IT AWAY TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU LIKE.
>COPY DISKS FOR FRIENDS AND FAMILY. [. . .]
Well, I guess that lets everybody off the hook, including Elana.
>[. . .] JUST DON'T SELL IT OR RIP OFF OUR IDEAS BECAUSE WE HEREBY
>SERVE NOTICE THAT THE INFORMATION CONTAINED ON THE DISK IS COPYRIGHT
>1995 MIRAMAR IMAGES, INC.
>>>
You know, that's an awfully nice attitude. It makes one wonder
just what it was about Miramar that ticked Edgar off so that he'd sever
ties with them after TYRANNY OF BEAUTY (even though he hooked back up
with them for OASIS!?!).
>You see, they _encourage_ duplication. They even had the package
>available for download from their web site last year, and that's how
>I've got it.
Aha! You know what *that* means, everyone! Okay, who wants to put
it on their web site for ***free*** downloading? :) :) :)
>Subject: Tyranny IPK /Antonio
>Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:59:32 -0600 (CST)
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
>I can second what Antonio says about Mirimar's encouragement to
>distribute the floppy...and can also confirm that is was available for
>download from the website...
Good, good . . .
>And for you REAL collectors...I know there are at least two versions of
>this press kit...they are similar but one has more stuff than the
>other....
Care to specify what the differences were/are? Also, what, in
general, was/is the content of this press kit, anyways? Are we talking
biographical info? radio station-targeted sales-figure hype? perks for
DJs who like the band? what? And what makes the program 'interactive'?
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: Nightcrawlers CD Now Available!
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Folks,
Well, I've managed to track down where to get the Nigtcrawlers 2-CD
set, TRAVELLING BACKWARDS. This package contains all 3 Nightcrawlers
albums--and the third one, SHADOWS OF LIGHT, is an all-time fave e-music
album of mine. Sort of like STRATOSFEAR/Baumann's ROMANCE '76/Baumann's
'Haunted Heights'/THE PARK IS MINE/Redshift, but really hard to explain
to anyone unfamiliar with The Nightcrawlers or at the very least the
Peter Gulch/Chuck van Zyl collaboration, REGENERATION MODE. Anyways,
below are forwarded messages that have all the relevant information:
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:16:50 -0400
To: space-music@c...
From: chuckv@p... (Chuck van Zyl)
Subject: KLEM Dag Pt 2: Travelling Backwards
|The Nightcrawlers|
Although there are many things to tell about KLEM Dag '97, I want to share
with you one of the main reasons I went to the event this year.
Manikin Records of Germany is one of Europe's many Electronic Music labels
that wait until KLEM Dag to release new CDs. Several months ago my friend
Peter Gulch was contacted by Mario Schonwalder about re-releasing the three
legendary Nightcrawlers LPs as a double CD retrospective on Manikin. An
agreement was struck and Peter sent copies of the master tapes to Manikin
and waited.
As planned, on October 11th, at KLEM Dag '97, The Nightcrawlers CD
'Travelling Backwards' was released and for the first time their music is
available on CD. It is hoped that now The Nightcrawlers will get the
recognition they deserve and their place be known in the history of
Spacemusic.
The group began as two brothers who, in the '70s, were so influenced by the
then new Electronic Spacemusic coming out of Germany, that they gave up all
other pursuits to focus attention on searching out more music by the heroes
of the day: Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Popol Vuh, Ash Ra Tempel,
Cluster and even Kalheinz Stockhausen.
Upon aquiring their own means of expressing themselves musically in the
German School mode, The Nightcrawlers formed and began taping jam sessions
in their garage, ultimately producing 35 cassette releases and almost
single handedly launching the cassette underground.
Throughout the '80s The Nightcrawlers were prolific concert perfomers and
should be given credit for contributions to the then new Electronic Music
scene here in Philadelphia. Before the introduction of MIDI and today's
more stable and compact music equipment, perfoming Spacemusic live was a
considerable task. Always showing up at concerts with a truckload of gear,
The Nightcrawlers would take hours to set up. Through their efforts in
concert, The Nightcralwers influenced many individuals to explore the idea
of making their own music, helped develop new venues and brought to the
attention of an unaware public that Electronic Music existed and is more
than just a studio art.
At the time of their first self titled LP, The Nightcrawlers were one in a
group of only about three or four American Spacemusic artists who
independently released their own music on vinyl.
A total of three LPs were released by the Nightcrawlers: 'The
Nightcrawlers' (1983), 'Space Walk' (1985) and 'Shadows of Light' (1987).
All tracks from the three LPs fit onto the 'Travelling Backwards'
retrospective.
Thanks to Mario Schonwalder of Manikin Records for working hard to bring to
light a piece of Spacemusic history.
Contact:
Manikin Records
Postbox 450274
d-12172 Berlin
Germany
tel/fax: +49 30 7121540
http://www.manikin.de
Email: manikinms@a...
Chuck van Zyl
Host: Star's End, WXPN Philiadelphia
http://www.starsend.org
chuckv@s...
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From: ManikinMS@a...
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To: AR402004@b...
Subject: Re: Nightcrawlers CD
hello,
ask the label, which release these famous cd:
the us-distributor is eurock, archie patterson, p.o.b. 13718, portland, or
97213, phone/fax 503-2810247, e-mail: apatters@t...
regards, mario
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From: 'A. Patterson'
To: 'Steven Feldman'
Subject: Re: Nightcrawlers CD: TRAVELLING BACKWARDS
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:52:35 -0700
Message-ID: <01bce0a5$9eb1a840$LocalHost@e...>
Steven,
The Nightcrawlers CD is now in stock - price is $25 + $4 P/H = $29.00. Send
a check to the address below with a note and your mailing address and I'll
post it right off to you.
Thanks!
Archie
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A. Patterson -- EUROCK
P.O.B. 13718, Portland, OR 97213
http://www.eurock.com
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Date: Wed Oct 29, 1997 3:41
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Subject: Re: Ambient? Yeah, right!
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Really-From: Vic Rek
>Really-From: DJS
>
>> << It's no joke. I hope you can still sleep at night. >>
>>
>> i sleep fine...especially when one of the 200+ fax discs is on the
>> player
>
>If you listen to Eno...you should be in a coma by now..
>
Hey Dano! I just came out of my coma in time to quote you Eno from my
favorite CD of his titled 'Apollo Atmospheres & Soundtracks'. This CD
evokes deep emotional exploration of the sub.... you know what I mean :-)
'Like everybody else, I sat and watched the first moon landing and the films
from the subsequent missions, but for two reasons this television coverage
left me unsatisfied. First, I felt that the small screen with its shallow
colours was quite inadequate to the vastness of space: it made the whole
enterprise look like an inferior edition of 'Star Trek'. Secondly, it
seemed to me that the fear of boring the general public had led the editors
and commentators to present the transmissions from space in an up tempo,
'newsy' manner that was unsympathetic: short shots, fast cuts and too many
excerpts obscuring the grandeur and strangeness of the event with a patina
of down-to-earth chatter. Late last year I received an invitation from AL
Reinert to make music for his film of the Apollo missions. Reading his
letter and notes for the film, I came to think that here might be the
definitive document of these amazing expeditions. Reinert has seen all of
the film shot during those missions - 6,000,000 feet of it, and had chosen
his footage from that huge collection.
He had also interviewed the astronauts who travelled on the missions,
discovering how they felt about the experience. All of the film he has used
is from NASA archives, and the only voices heard are those of the astronauts
reflecting on their journey or talking with mission control.
I was excited by this project. It afforded an opportunity to explore the
feeling of space travel: being weight-less, seeing the night-time campfires
of Saharan nomads from high above the Earth, looking back to a little blue
planet drifting alone in space, looking out into the endless darkness
beyond, and finally, stepping onto another planet. I don't see this as an
adventure film, and I have not written adventure music, what this film can
do is to present a set of moods, a unique mixture of feelings that quite
possible no human has ever experienced before, thus expanding the vocabulary
of human feeling just as those missions had expanded the boundaries of our
Universe. I hope this music will assist in that.' - Brain Eno, May 19th, 1983.
And as I fall back into my coma from listening to this CD, I throw on the
player one of Klaus Schulze's CDs (#20 actually) from the Jubilee
Edition.... <-- TD related content here!
And I smile as I drift back into a deep trance and picture some of my
friends rockin' to Mark Shreeve. :-)
Vic
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Subject: Re: Goblin's Club/Encore
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> Really-From: Dave Brewer
>
>
> > Quoted From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> >
> > TO DAVE BREWER: go get Encore again. The definitive edition sounds
better
> > and each side-length movement is individually tracked (by the
'section...')
> > It's one of the definitive live statements of 70s TD.
>
> Thank you for the suggestion! But, I already have it. :-) You must've
> accidentally got someone else's words put with my name... I got the def.
> ed. right as it came out a coupla years back. It is superb, and even
> better when followed by Patrolling Space Borders.
>
> Dave B.
Sorry Dave, that be my words Elias is referring too!
=) I need the definative edition of everything before Force Majuere! I
believe Virgin has done recent remasters (Chop-Em Out London or sumthin
like that) of everything till Pahedra, and before that, Castle has done (I
think) the remasters.
=o)
Greg...
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Subject: Re: TD in the World Series
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I love Quinoa, but am not a baseball fan.
Is OASIS out on laserdisc yet? Somebody has got to know!
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Subject: Horizon Music Orders (part 2)
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Howdy again,
Did I say this week? Not ten minutes after I sent my last message, I was
informed that the CDs are now being held up in customs, which means that they
will not ship until next week. My apologies again...
-B. Kirby
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Subject: Horizon Music Orders
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Howdy all,
For those of you who were wondering where your TD CD orders that you placed
with Beyond the Horizon were, they should be going out sometime this week.
Some of the discs did not get shoreside on schedule, hence the delay. Rest
assured, however, that everybody will be getting everything they ordered.
If anybody has any questions, feel free to drop me an EMail.
We know return you to our regularly scheduled list discussion.
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Subject: meeting in glasgow
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Really-From: Armin Theissen
>
>Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad'
>
>Hello Tadreamers,
>
>This is my first proper post to Tadream in about 2 years. Having
>changed jobs twice since then meant I lost email privileges until now,
>where I have a new job and new email address. It is good to be back.
>
>Myself and two pals are driving from Ireland to Scotland (by ferry) on
>Saturday to take in the Glasgow gig, then on to Leeds on Sunday for that
>concert and finally on to Birmingham on Monday for our final concert.
>We return home to Ireland on Tuesday. A bit of a pilgrimage in a way I
>guess, but one worth it I hope you will agree!
>
>Anyone else going to these gigs or doing something similar?
>
>Regards,
>
Hi Conrad,
remember me from Shepard's Bush, maybe? I'll go with three friends
to the Glasgow concert, leaving from Armagh in N.Ireland, take the
ferry already on Friday. Meet you in Glasgow then? We won't be on the
Leeds/Birmingham gigs.
You're living/working in Letterkenny? Much nicer area than Armagh.
Somebody once suggested to meet in a pub called 'Victoria and Albert'
on the corner of Buchanan Street and Nelson Mandela Place, apparently
just around the corner from the venue.
See you
Armin
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Date: Wed Oct 29, 1997 7:09
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Subject: Dutch Goblins Club ??
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Really-From: 'W.W. Bessels'
At 02:03 29-10-97 -0600, you wrote:
>
> Ouch! You actually *like* 'Fort Worth Runway One'?!? Yeesh.
Yes, and why not ??!! I would say that it's not my favourite TD track ever,
but it's not as bad as stuff from Rockoon or Homeless, to name a few.
> Anyways, since you're writing from the Netherlands (if I'm correct
>in assuming that the 'nl' in your net address means 'Netherlands'), I'd
>like to ask if you know anything about there being a Netherlands pressing
>of GOBLINS' CLUB that has 'Fort Worth Runway One' on it. I ask this
A Dutch pressing ?? No,no. I think there's a bit of confusion here.
There are TWO different pressings from Goblins Club.
One is the Castle (UK) pressing with Elf June... and the other is the
digipak version (on TDI pressed in Austriam, but for the AUSTRALIAN market)
with Fort Worth.... I baught my copy of the digipak at
and it IS a limited edition. I haven't heard the UK
edition with Elf June... but I will buy that one soon when I see it.
>because I saw a mention of 'GOBLINS' CLUB + 1' being available from a
>Netherlands dealer at the web site. I assume that
>this was an error--that the dealer mean't the Australian CD that swaps
>'Elf June' for 'Fort Worth'--but you never know. Maybe this CD *does*
>feature both 'Elf June' and 'Fort Worth.' Does it?
>
As I stated above, no, there ae no CDs known that feature both Elf June and
Fort Worth (otherwise it would save me a lot of money !!)
> -- Steven Feldman
>
Again Steve, please have sympathy with TD-fans who like numbers that you
actually 'hate' or 'dislike'. You know man,...if we all would be the
same....then TD won't make music anymore !!!!
And, of course I think that the late-70s and early 80s stuff (until Tyger)
remains the best that TD has ever done.
By the way, I read yesterday a question about what Johannes Schmoelling is
doing at the moment. Johannes is making music for theatre plays and lives in
Berlin. I heard rumours that he has his second resident in Holland (maybe
that's why he called his first CD 'Wuivend Riet', which is Dutch).
I think that the era Froese/Franke/Schmoelling is the best and I like
Pergamon, for instance, very much. (also, ask Lars Jones for his favourite !!)
Cheeeeeeers, Wouter.
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Subject: Join the Goblins Club today!
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Message text written by INTERNET:tadream@c...
>Really-From: 'W.W. Bessels'
Hi,
I really can't understand why some people think that Goblins' Club is f**k
or other negative opinions that they gave to this CD.<
What you need to remember is that the 'elders' of this list have Rubycon
and Logos coarsing through their veins, which is why GC seems inferior.
But I'm with you Wouter, I don't have a problem with GC, even when I
reminisce about the 80's.
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Date: Wed Oct 29, 1997 11:16
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Subject: Ambient TD?
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>>* prog-ambient: 1973 (Green Desert only)
>* 1973-1977: ambient
>..<
I think the nearest TD get to ambient is Sudden Revelation on Canyon
Dreams.
Real ambient, to me, means press a different key on the synth every few
minutes, while playing a tape of bird/whale song >-) .
I must admit, Sudden Revelation does fascinate me. Anyone care to explain
why it is so simple yet haunting?
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Date: Wed Oct 29, 1997 11:16
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Subject: Tyrrany Interactive thingy
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Really-From: Ian Shillingford
Regarding the Tyrrany of Beauty Interactive Press Kit, is this the same as
the Tyrrany of Beauty Interactive Product Preview that was on Miramar's web
site for all to grab a little while ago?
If it is, then you get a techno-plaything where dragging an image onto the
graphic from the CD's front cover takes you to a TD discography (Miramar
only), TD milestones (two pages worth), track listing (with samples of
Catwalk, Little Blond and Stratosfear '95).
An interesting bit of marketing.
OK, yeah, I've still got my copy of it!
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Subject: D:[V]V[V] 'Stuntman' [V]V[V]
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Stuntman October 13, 1997
Edgar Froese
'Stuntman'
Published 1979
Purchased 1980
Virgin Records LP
V12139
What a treat! I'd forgotten how really good this one is.
Amazingly coherent and musical. Edgar must have really been inspired to put
this one together. An obvious 'Labor of Love'
'Stuntman' is a joy. Its soaring melody is almost Franke-ish is
its scope and range. The pulsing one note rhythm with sample-hold VCF
component is beautiful. A very complete tune, which I am tempted to say is
very unusual for Edgar.
'It Would Be Like Samoa' previews 'Pinnacles'
with its ancient rhythms, chord structure, and simplistic melody line.
Wonderfully primordial. The melody almost makes a transition to a jazz riff
before it disintegrates into this harpsichord-like keyboard exploration. The
lonely guitar solo is a perfect accent at this point.
The character change dove-tails uniquely into the continuing
particulate mood swing. Soaring synthesize line melds into a spectacular
counterpoint with the urgent sequencer line, as the whole composition unfolds
into this 'night blooming flower' of a final chord.
'Detroit Snackbar Dreamer' A very lonely beginning, similar to the
guitar solo in the '...Samoa' piece, previous. But one knows this is not the
tenor of this piece. This is going somewhere. Although this piece is quite
short, it has a very distinct creative bent. This is one of the very few
Froese creations which has a clear, literal, and very present story line, one
which you can't easily argue with. The ending is relatively quick, but
Froese seems unwilling to let the tender thread go without a final
salutation.
'Drunken Mozart In The Desert' When Edgar decided to rework this
for 'Beyond The Storm' he must have been out of his mind. The whole mood of
'Drunken Mozart' on 'BtS' is crushed with that Mozart-ian introduction before
it can even get started. 'DMitD', the original, on the other hand, is a
master-work of contrapuntal themes and voicings. The lily should never have
been gilded. The delicate blossom was destroyed in the surgery. But that's
OK, I guess, at least I have the original to listen to. It's too bad that so
many others haven't had the chance to hear this piece in its original
splendor.
'A Dali-esque Sleep Fuse' begins unusually dark even for Froese.
He quickly turns the corner to triumphant advantage, however. This whole
piece seems to be a battle of good and evil, like in the movie 'Night Of the
Hunter' with Robert Mitchum from years and years ago. The dark forces seem
very strong here, but Edgars guitar line stays consistent and eventually
softens the bitter edge of the beginning of the piece. Then the electronic
percussion, which is introduced near the end of this tune, signals the
relentlessness of Edgar's stamina to deal with the theme dream. The chordal
representation at the end is not a defeated or victorious one. Edgar has
apparently made his stand as the lead drops out way before the final settling
phrases.
'Scarlet Score For Mescalero' while certainly not a triumphant end
title to a perfect album, which this is by the way, it does have a surreal
calming quality which fits the balancing of the 'ADSF' tune, just previous.
All in all a very satisfying recording. I'm so glad this finally
came up for discussion. I obviously didn't realize what a goldmine of
musicality and artistry I had just sitting there, for who knows how many
years, unlistened.
Phil Naunton
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Date: Wed Oct 29, 1997 2:20
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Subject: Re: Ambient TD?
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In a message dated 97-10-29 06:24:44 EST, you write:
<< Real ambient, to me, means press a different key on the synth every few
minutes, while playing a tape of bird/whale song >-) .
>>
thats new age...if anyone wants/needs an overview of what 'ambient' really
is, check out any one of the four volumes (2 cds per) of 'A Brief History of
Ambient' on Virgin...includes all ur favs, including td....
tom w
np: kw - phone call 12'
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Date: Wed Oct 29, 1997 2:40
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Subject: eno's apollo
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I must say, I do like this myself....
MJ
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Subject: Tyranny floppy
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
It wasn't a 'press kit' as such... No DJ stuff or photo prints etc...
I have used it for a while, but it was 'interactive' because clicking in
different images gave you different info....I the band member's faces sort
of moved around, there was some history of the band, MAYBE a little
music...Only so much data can fit on a floppy to begin with... I'll try
to dig it oout and give you an 'update' next week...
As far as the differences go, they were minimal...the floppy's contained
different version numbers if I recall....Like I said, I'll have to get
back to you...
Perhaps Elana can say more about it sooner...
MJ
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Subject: ReNetCast: first part of TD's Frankfurt concert at April, 18th
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Really-From: stefan@b... (Stefan Stapelberg)
Hi,
starting today, we will re-broadcast the frist part (Vintage Set)
of TD's Frankfurt concert at April, 18th. The ReNetCast will take
place three times per day, at 02:00, 10:00 and 18:00 Central European
Time (this is GMT + 1h). The ReNetCast will end at Nov, 6th.
The URL is http://www.netstore.de/tadream/livemusic/
Enjoy,
Stefan
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Subject: enjoy the shows folks
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
Just wanted to wish all you folks who are catching the UK shows a good
time, and good listening! Hope all the shows are worth it!
(Please do tell what the composition of the sets are though ;) )
Gabe
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Subject: Tatort Soundtrack, Part 2 ???
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Really-From: Richard Bilek
Hello dreamers,
I heard rumours, that new batch of 'Tatort' crimi movies starring
G.George as Komissaire Schmianski is now recorded in Germany.
Does anybody know, if we can expect any new TD music to this movies???
Greetings, Richard Bilek
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Subject: TD for Halloween
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Really-From: Dave Brewer
Hello all!
Since Halloween is approaching fast, I thought I'd pose the question:
What TD or TD related (solo, etc) albums/songs do you think would go good
with Halloween? Like, if you were putting together a haunted house, what
music would you play as the soundtrack? I think a similar question was
asked here quite a while back, but I figure it'd be good to ask again now.
Off the top of my head, I'd have to list the following TD music:
Rubycon (pretty much the whole thing)
most of Near Dark (it was for a thriller movie, after all!)
most of Sorcerer (especially the first track)
Atem (the whole album)
Phaedra, Movements of a Visionary
Opening, Goblins, Blue Room, Darkness, The Kitchen (from Legend)
Well, that oughta get the ball rolling! Maybe I'll think of some more
later... Meanwhile, let's see what others have to say.
Dave B.
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On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:31:58 -0500 (EST) tadream mailing
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> What a treat! I'd forgotten how really good this one is.
> Amazingly coherent and musical. Edgar must have really been inspired to put
> this one together. An obvious 'Labor of Love'
I haven't heard this one in a long time, but I agree with
you. It is so amazingly coherent (with the possible
exception of 'Stuntman', which due to its briefness and
song-like structure appears somewhat detached, that you
could almost call it organic. It is quite tempting to
regard the whole album as a single piece, but then each of
the compositions really seems to be going somewhere in its
own right. Whenever I play this album, I find something new
to grasp me, and it's extremely hard to get bored of it. An
excellent album, and thanks for the excellent review too.
Dennis
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Subject: Re: Sudden Revelation (was: Ambient TD?)
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> I must admit, Sudden Revelation does fascinate me. Anyone care to explain
> why it is so simple yet haunting?
It is one of my favourites, too. I think the reason why it
appears so peaceful and yet spooky is the instrumentation
they used on it - no 'hard' percussive sounds, no beats, no
metallic-sounding solo voices; in fact, none of the voices
is a 'lead' voice at all. The flute-like sound
counterpoints with the more string-like sound, one playing
predominantly upward, the other one downward progressions.
As you will have noticed, they hold every single note, some
even with an echo/reverb effect, and none of the notes is
short enough to qualify as an effect or rhythm voice. As on
some of their older compositions, this creates a more
cluster-ish structure, as opposed to a more linear
composition with a fixed beginning and end. If you want to
put it that way, it is static and not moving into any
particular direction. With the occasional breaks of
complete silence in the piece, it seems more like a live,
breathing, talking organism rather than a piece of music. I
think that's what makes it so interesting.
Dennis
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Subject: staatsgrenze west
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Hi,
first, sorry for my broken english.
I will starting trade/sales of some TD records.
I offer one record per e-mail, let you surprise.
First record is STAATSGRENZE WEST, vinyl is red/orange.
Let me know, if do you have interest. Send you offer
to my e-mail. subjekt:WEST
If do you want more info, let me know.
Tschuess
wolfgang
e-Mail: wsenfflebe@a...
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Subject: Re: Death Of A Band?
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> > >TD DOES make heavy use of DAT recorders when they play live.
> > >That means about 20% of the music you hear is actually live and
> > >improvised. Now that's sad. Deny it if you'd like....I was there in 1988
> > >when it botched...but that's another story.
(sorry, I don't know who this message is from)
him and went on to buy a few of their albums. He got deeply
disappointed when he read in some magazine that on stage,
about 70% of the music come from a sequencer...
It has always been part of TD music to use pre-recorded or
pre-defined patterns as the basis of their music (well,
maybe not always, but for quite a long time anyway).
Especially with their newer, more layered style, it is
inevitable that quite a lot of the music is _not_ actually
played live on stage. I agree with you that it seems
annoying when you see Edgar on stage, and all he seems to
do is to play some chords over the taped music (reminds me
of 'Tangents' in a way...), like the custard on the
crumble, or the like. But I don't think there's much you
can do about it, nor do I find it very surprising. Who can
blame them for making use of modern technology when they
no longer have to twist loads of knobs themselves?
Dennis
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Date: Wed Oct 29, 1997 9:17
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Subject: Re: Ambient? Yeah, right!
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> In a message dated 97-10-28 13:49:01 EST, you write:
>
> << Really-From: DJS
>
>
> > << It's no joke. I hope you can still sleep at night. >>
> >
> > i sleep fine...especially when one of the 200+ fax discs is on the
> > player
>
> If you listen to Eno...you should be in a coma by now..
>
> nope, still wide awake and constantly hearing things on albums that are 20
> years old that i hadnt heard b4...wish i could say the same about alot of
> other music...
>
> > let me just say it was the most ignorant thing ive read on this list
>
> And your opinion of my 'ignorance' means what to me?
>
> what should it mean? if uve gotten this far in life its obviously benefited u
> well.. doesnt mean it shouldnt be pointed out from time to time...
>
> > quote some of ur innanities:
> >
> > Ambient is slow,
> > smooth, sonic wallpaper that does little more than create an atmosphere
> > to smoke a log of dogs$#t to or worship your Schulze crystal cd jewel
> > cases whislt burning incense made of the latest TD albums .
> >
> > or this jewel:
> >
> > Ambient
> > shouldn't even be classified as music.
>
> Like I said, anyone with a casio can make this garbage...hey...even YOU
> can make an album dude.
>
> true...and maybe i have....but id rather leave it to people such as urself
> who have something to prove...
>
> > or ur lucid conclusion:
> >
> > Brian Eno is only an established
> > 'musician' because he was born before keyboards were invented and spewed
> rock on
>
> Dan
> >>
> naaa...in trance baby....
and with that comment.....I rest my case completely
The End
Regards,
Dano
>
> tom w
>
> np: laswell et.al. - sacred system chapter 2 ( but is it ambient? or crap?)
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Subject: Re: TD for Halloween
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
I'd toss in:
Horizon (the finale...with the creepy sequencer and snare-y drums)
Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares
Stratosfear
Flash Final (from Firestarter)
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'A paranoiac is someone
in possession of the facts'
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Date: Thu Oct 30, 1997 7:23
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Subject: Halloween Tunes!
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
Dave Brewer says:
back,
midlife crisis! back!), and that seven-minute edit in paricular (from
*Tangents*) of 'Monolight' still makes for some interesting chase music,
with those ghastly waves of mellotron and that *duntduntduntdunt*
sequence..imagine Michael Myers (B4 they went and screwed up such a cool
character) coming after you..your ass is runnning but he seems to catch up
despite his ten-foot-per-hour gait...heh heh HACKENSLASH HACKENSLASH
The title track from *Exit* (the original version) is a beautiful piece of
somber, depressing music, that either draws you into a peaceful lull or
depresses you even further. And with the title's analogous reference to
death, a dense, continuous rain conjures a river of mud, that slowly and
naturally buries a pit of fresh corpses... Richard Ramirez can pat himself
on the back for another job well done....hee hee
(These are the kind of images that make me feel all warm and fuzzy
inside... *it's all just fluffy white clouds*--Bob Voss, that dude on the
tee-vee who paints and has funny hair)
Regards,
Eli
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Date: Thu Oct 30, 1997 7:42
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Subject: TD's use of DAT in concert
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> > >TD DOES make heavy use of DAT recorders when they play live.
> > >That means about 20% of the music you hear is actually live and
> > >improvised. Now that's sad. Deny it if you'd like....I was there in
1988
> > >when it botched...but that's another story.
>(sorry, I don't know who this message is from)
>him and went on to buy a few of their albums. He got deeply
>disappointed when he read in some magazine that on stage,
>about 70% of the music come from a sequencer...
>It has always been part of TD music to use pre-recorded or
>pre-defined patterns as the basis of their music (well,
>maybe not always, but for quite a long time anyway).
>Especially with their newer, more layered style, it is
>inevitable that quite a lot of the music is _not_ actually
>played live on stage. I agree with you that it seems
>annoying when you see Edgar on stage, and all he seems to
>do is to play some chords over the taped music (reminds me
>of 'Tangents' in a way...), like the custard on the
>crumble, or the like. But I don't think there's much you
>can do about it, nor do I find it very surprising. Who can
>blame them for making use of modern technology when they
>no longer have to twist loads of knobs themselves?
>Dennis
As technology furthered itself, and with the advent of quick *realtime
edit* and *audition/rehearsal* functions available on current synth/sampler
workstations, many elctronic artist have compromised--to a small or great
degree? this is arguable, as always--portions of their compositional
prowess for the ease of instant compositions. In 1988, I was at the being
alluded to at the first excerpt above (the 1988 tour I still prefer very
much over the Miramar-release(s)-laden-1992 Tour)....it was one of the West
Coast dates. Paul's piano playing was live, as were other bits, and the
guitar playing, of course.
Now, what happened during the 'Optical Race' encore--which was the 2nd
time we managed to call the band back out, as it had been a great
show--someting happened. All sound was lost. Ralf, Ed and Paul looked at
each other and laughed. Ralf even hit a key on one of his instruments as he
walked out--that instrument was clearly mixed at a much lower volume than
the actual music. thus, the big rumor of <> began. Before Edgar left the stage, he also grabbed a
microphone and said: 'We're sorry, folks, but sometimes these things
happen.' Hmmmm...
A reliable source (who I cannot name) knew someone who knew for a fact
audiences were listening to a DAT tape. That individual also provided the
rest f the world with this memorable criticism: 'Paul is the only real
'artist' out of those three guys.'
Well, I'm sure this will open some debate or commentary...just thought I'd
relay what I'd heard about seven or eight years ago....
Regards,
E-Man
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Date: Wed Oct 29, 1997 9:28
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Subject: RE: TD's use of DAT in concert
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>much over the Miramar-release(s)-laden-1992 Tour)....it was one
of the West
>Coast dates. Paul's piano playing was live, as were other bits,
and the
>guitar playing, of course.
Which date was it? ANyone have a tape?
Scott
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Date: Wed Oct 29, 1997 10:02
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Subject: TD influenced artists/Airsculpture: Europa minireview
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
Hi, folks
This CD should be worth a try for those you love TD ca. 77:
Airsculpture:Europa [73:46] Neu Harmony 1997
01 Part 1a [15:16]
02 Part 1b [8:51]
03 Part 2 [10:14]
04 Part 3 [23:39]
05 Part 4 [8:55]
06 Part 5 [6:51]
My first Airsculpture exposure was Impossible Geometries, which is good,
IMO.
But Europa is much better:
Part 1b
is definetely the best track - it´s even better than coldwater canyon
which is one of the best TD tracks IMO. This rocks !
The soundquality is stunning too.
You can hear TD influences during the whole CD. Man! the sequencing.
Nice melodies and smoothy slower parts complement this jewel.
Part 2:
Gee! Unfortunely I missed that performance - you didn´t realize
that THIS stuff is played live at the ath Alfa-Centauri festival in Huizen.
I can´t believe that this is improvised !
Analogue heaven - those guys have a lot of ideas - other artists would be
glad to have 20% of their creativity.
Part 3:
Lost in space ! A dark but still hopefully atmosphere, you don´t know what
will happen next. After 5 minutes the first sequences appear,
more and more sequences, again nice melodies/synth-solo-work. It develops..
Wow! I love this varied 'rolling' sequences.
ba ba bebebe de beep ba doop...
And then a nice percussive rhythm is added - CF couldn´t do it better, btw.
At the 14 minutes mark the dark atmosphere starts again, this time darker.
Synth-flute melodies, mellotron and strange noises. Namlook should hear
this and learn how interesting slow parts can sound. Mind music.
Finally vocoder choirs chords keep you dreaming...
Part 4:
Synth-guitar ! Heavy multi layered sequencer lines... similiar to those on
part 3, but this part has more power. You can hear how the guys enjoyed the
gig.
The head bobs. I love this guitar-sound ! High-speed EM heaven !
Wush! Err, it´s over.
Part 5:
The final track starts with slow chords and some melodical fragments,
after 3:30 some sequencer lines appear and again!
the synth percussion and a nice synth solo. Could be longer but
73 minutes is enough for a single CD !
To sum it up:
This is a great CD in the style of TD ca. Encore/Ricochet.
But these guys have enough ideas to create a specific style.
I highly recommend this !
Jens
np: code indigo: live at Duisburg
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Subject: Re: No JIM & PABLO for *me*, thank you.
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 07:03 PM 10/28/97 EST, you wrote:
> Well, I'll have to buy it, but that doesn't mean that I'll like it.
>
Why would you by something you don't like?? Do you eat food you dislike?
Clothes? Do you need every style of Levi jeans just because they're Levis?
I mean, obsession is one thing...
Mike
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Subject: TD DAT Controversy(?)
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>much over the Miramar-release(s)-laden-1992 Tour)....it was one
of the West
>Coast dates. Paul's piano playing was live, as were other bits,
and the
>guitar playing, of course.
>>Which date was it? ANyone have a tape?
>>Scott
I don't have my ticket stub handy, but it may be Sept. 21, 1988, the San
Diego gig, NOT the Los Angeles Wiltern Theater gig two days later!!!
But hey, TD are responsible for so many great tunes, I don't even care,
anymore. I was born too late to even know of TD, much less attend their
1977 or or 1980 Santa Monica shows and catch them in their live improv
days....oh, well!!!!!
E-Man
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Subject: The Nightcrawlers: the Whole Story
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Sigh,
I realize that the following lengthy post will probably annoy some,
but seeing as it will probably do more good than otherwise, here it is.
[You can blame the fact that the first-ever Nightcrawlers CD, TRAVELLING
BACKWARDS, just came out as the reason for my posting this *now*.]
Twice in 1993, I listened to all of the Nightcrawlers' output back-
to-back in an attempt to write a comprehensive review on them for Elana's
i.e. Electronic Dreams' newsletter, DREAMS WORD, but it never happened.
I feel this lengthy post belongs on this list because the Nightcrawlers
bears much in common with Tangerine Dream's output between 1971 and 1975,
Klaus Schulze's early material, and even Conrad Schnitzler's, in places.
Those who like Klaus Schulze a lot (I'm not among them) will probably
like the Nightcrawlers even more than me, in a lot of cases.
As for connections to Brian Eno . . . MIDWINTER DAYDREAM, SHADOWLESS
VEIL, FORBIDDEN MONASTERY, EVENING REPOSE, 2031 A.D., and CYBERSUN 231
are reminiscent of both THE SHUTOV ASSEMBLY and the Misha Mahlin & Lydia
Theremin piece, 'For Her Atoms,' on MUSIC FOR FILMS, VOLUME III.
I'd say that my personal Nightcrawlers favorites are the cassettes
MIDWINTER DAYDREAM, SHADOWLESS VEIL, FORBIDDEN MONASTERY, EVENING REPOSE,
2031 A.D., CYBERSUN 231, SPACEWALK, SPACE RITUAL I, THE LARGO TREE, and
PARTICLE MIST; and the LP SHADOWS OF LIGHT. The fact that my first six
choices are the 'Crawlers' most Eno-esque recordings is no accident, as
I adore really good space music (Jonn Serrie or Robert Carty, anyone?).
Here is a list of what the Nightcrawlers i.e 'Crawlers head-honcho
Peter D. Gulch i.e. Synkronos Music had for sale as of 10/22/93.* Each
recording's original description is followed by a corresponding capsule
review by yours truly, so that the format of each entry is: title, year,
number of tracks, length of tape housed in the cassette shell, original
blurb as assigned by the band, and then my capsule review. First, let me
say that the Nightcrawlers were a three-man band, comprised of members
Peter Gulch, Tom Gulch and Dave Lunt. *Some post-1993 items have been
added in to the list for convenience's sake.
AVAILABLE NIGHTCRAWLERS RELEASES (10/22/93):
[KEY: title, year, number of tracks, length of cassette blank, blurb]
The majority of these tapes are available in the USA for $4.00 each
postpaid. Buy any four tapes and get one free. An amazing bargain! To
order, contact: Peter Gulch; 1493 Greenwood Avenue; Camden, NJ 08103-2929
CRYPTOSPHERE (1980) 2, C48 Lost in a misty labyrinth at dusk
Review: By 'Goricon,' an earlier line-up of the band. Side 1 is spacey,
like the sound effects in a 1960s sci-fi show. Side two has acoustic
piano over a drone and a synthetic vocal murmur. Good.
PLANETARY EXPEDITION (1980) 4, C48 Four-part interstellar adventure
Review: 'Phase II' is great, like the music to 'Forbidden Planet' (movie)
THE FALLEN SPARROW (1980) 2, C62 Meditative free-from collage
Review: Like slower Tangerine Dream circa 1971-73, with violin on side 2.
Good.
HALLUCINATORY EXECUTIONS (1981) 8, C62 Six chapter nightmare vision
Review: Horror-movie creepiness (no slashing violin shrieks or suchlike).
Good.
POLTERGEISTS (1981) 5, C48 Five impressions of the elfin underworld
Review: The band's 1st sequencered release. Side 1 is sorta Klaus
Schulze-ish. So-so.
SYNTHIMANIA (1981) 8, C62 8 varied aural tonescapes
Review: All tracks are sequencered with solos. Not so great.
SYSTEMA NATURAE (1982) 6, C48 Portrayal of the living earth systems
Review: Side 1 is generator-like; side 2 has sequencer with solo and is
somehwat Klaus Schulze-like. Not so great.
HORS D'OEUVRES (1982) 4, C62 Sampling of various aural palettes
Review: Good solos over evocative tones. Fairly good.
NARCOLEPSIS (1982) 2, C48 Waves for the alpha and beta state
Review: Side 1 is especially good, structured space. Fairly good/Good.
MIDWINTER DAYDREAM (1982) 4, C46 Mental wandering through a snowstorm
Review: Spooky drone. One of the best if you like ambience/atmospherics.
TANZWUT (1982) 4, C46 Four multifaceted dancing tone clusters
Review: Side 1 is a mixed bag (so-so); side 2 has lots of sequencer and a
Klaus Schulze-like interlude (over-long; the 1st LP remakes, shortens and
improves this side-long track). All told, not too great.
SHADOWLESS VEIL (1983) 2, C48 Ethereal drifting through spacetime
Review: Spacey with etherel solos. One of the best.
SUBLIMINAL SAILING (1983) C48 Streams of consciousness
[I Haven't heard this yet]
FORBIDDEN MONASTERY (1983) 2, C62 Two-part invocation of spirits
Review: Side 1 is great space; side 2 is space with a solo. Very good.
SPRING HOLIDAY (1983) 2, C46 Two works of evolutionary complexity
Review: Side 1 is like Wavestar's 'Voyager;' side 2 has a boring solo
over sequencer (remade better on 1st LP). Not so hot.
EVENING REPOSE (1983) 2, C46 Asleep in a meadow full of crickets
Review: Side 1 is like Tangerine Dream's RUBYCON with crickets underneath
and side 2 is great space. A must. . . . especially for Eno fans.
TRANSLUMINANCE (1983) 2, C62 Contrasting images of light and dark
Review: Side 1 has bassy sequencer with a solo. Bleh. Side 2 is slow
with no perks to speak of. So-so, but almost a downer.
CRYSTAL LOOPS (1983) 2, C26 Twinkling interplay of ice particles
Review: Both sides have sequencer with a solo. Each side is fairly good,
but the cumulative effect renders it merely fair.
NIGHTCRAWLERS (1984) 4, C48 Cassette version of 1st LP
Review: Fairly good or fairly bad, depending on your mood. Similar to
Tangerine Dream's 1971-1977 work in feel if not execution or sound.
2031 A.D. (1984) 2, C62 Floating journeys into the future of time
Review: Side 1 is brilliant evocative space; side 2 is loose space. Good
but not like side 1. Overall, one of the best . . . but ephemeral.
SPACE SHUTTLE (1984) 2, C46 Music for repairing space vehicles
Review: Side 1 has pleasant sequencers; side 2 has sequencer and space.
So-so.
OMBRA (1984) 2, C74 Pathways into other dimensional realities
Review: Side 1 is sequencer with hyper, repetitive solo; side 2 has
multiple sequencers & a fast solo in its 2nd half. The beginning of side
2 is the 2nd track on the 2nd LP. Almost a chore to get through; lengthy
NIGHTWALK (1984) 2, C48 Twilight excursions into wild forests
Review: Side 1 is interesting space; side 2 is similar to Tangerine Dream
track 'Logos, Pt. I' minus guitar and is great. Pretty good, overall.
CYBERSUN 231 (1984) 2, C48 Time warping into distant galaxies
Review: Side 1 is good semi-experimental space; side 2 is great space.
Interesting, atypical stuff: almost unique. A favorite of mine.
SPACEWALK (1985) 4, C62 Cassette version of 2nd LP
Review: Side 1 is very professional and terrific. Side 2 is a lengthy
extended space voyage that ultimately proves taxing if you listen too
intently. Overall, a very good offering, though. Get it for side 1.
SPACE RITUAL I (1986) 2, C62 Live concert sets from an ancient church
Review: aka SPACE RITUAL AT ST. MARY'S. Side 1 is psychedelic, while
side 2 has hot guitar. Both sides have guest (guitarist) Darren Kearns
(who recorded an excellent solo LP called OPTIMAL BEING). Great Stuff.
THE LARGO TREE (1986) 4, C74 Interceptions of signals from space
Review: The middle of side 1 is great; side 2 has an evocative solo over
a wash, then an excellent inverse of Tangerine Dream's HYPERBOREA title
track, and then a lame title cut. Good overall, despite the dips.
PARTICLE MIST (1986) 2, C62 Modern particle physics at its best
Review: Side 1 starts off great, but builds to nowhere; side 2 is good
(and is appropriated on the 1st 3rd of side 2 of the 3rd LP). Good.
SHADOWS OF LIGHT (1987) 2, LP runs 47:58 [$7.00; on vinyl only, then]
Review: Terrific stuff. Buy this! Here is a list of the instruments on
this dynamite LP> Oberheim: Matrix 12, Matrix 6, 2 Expanders; Korg: Poly
800, SQD-1, DW-8000; Casio: CZ-101, CZ-5000; Yamaha: DX-21; Sequential:
Prophet VS; Crumar: DS-2; Ensoniq: ESQ-1, DSk-1; Roland: Super Jupiter,
JP-6, JX-8P, MSQ-100, TR-707, MKB-1000, SRV-2000. A real must-have.
ENERGY TRANSFER (1988) C48 Contrasting energy patterns
[I Haven't heard this yet]
ALONE AFTER DARK (1988) C74 Solo Anthology [of various band members]
[Haven't heard this yet]
FLOATING PREMONITIONS (1989) 2, C30 Peter Gulch solo tape
Review: Fair-to-Good. No comments one way or the other other than that.
BARRIERS (1991) 12, two-C60s Not $4.00, but $15.00; 2 chrome tapes in
an oversized 4.5' x 5.5' plastic cassette box with accompanying artwork.
Review: More professionally recorded than most everything else they've
done (excepting SHADOWS OF LIGHT). Rather interesting, but not dynamic.
TRAVELLING BACKWARDS (1997) 10, 2-CD Set Contains all 3 Nightcrawlers
albums: The Nightcrawlers, Spacewalk, and Shadows of Light. Pressed by
Manikin Records, Germany, and available from: Manikin Records, Postbox
450274, d-12172 Berlin Germany; http://www.manikin.de; manikinms@a...;
tel/fax: +49 30 7121540; and from Archie Patterson at EUROCK, POB 13718,
Portland, OR 97213; http://www.eurock.com; apatters@t...; tel/fax
503-2810247, as of 10/29/97. Pictures of this CD, along with full track
listing can be found at the website.
has seven 2-min sound samples.
OTHER NIGHTCRAWLERS ITEMS OF INTEREST:
[Please note that CHOP'N'HOP, MEMORY BUBBLES, STELLAR--TUNNEL,
and SPACE RITUAL II are available, but the master tapes have
glitches in them, and hence their withdrawal from the list.]
CHOP'N'HOP (1984) 2, C26 [deleted tape]
Review: Side 1 is sequencer with a solo. Feh. Side 2 has a repetitive
sequencer but a nice solo on top. So-so.
MEMORY BUBBLES (1984) 2, C26 [deleted tape]
Review: Side 1 has innocuous sequencer and a solo; side 2 has a fairly
aggressive solo over sequencer and is good. Fairly good.
STELLAR--TUNNEL (1985) 2, C30 [deleted tape]
Review: Not by the Nightcrawlers, but by Peter Gulch and a Canadian named
Steve Brenner. One could say that side 1 is Tangerine Dream's RICOCHET-
meets-Klaus Schulze's TRANCEFER! The other side is very good also.
SOMNILITY (1985) 2, C38 Tom Gulch solo album [write & ask about this]
Review: Side 1 is great, and side 2 is very good. More like actual songs
than just side-long sequencer'n'soloing. Like SHADOWS OF LIGHT, this is
more professional and 'normal' than most Nightcrawler's releases.
SPACE RITUAL II (1986) 3, C80 [never offered on a list; features Xisle]
Review: Side 1 has Xisle and the Nightcrawlers together. This is a long
tape with only about 7 (admittedly great) memorable minutes at the end.
REGENERATION MODE by [Chuck van] Zyl and [Peter D.] Gulch (1995) 5, CD
Review: Released in the US on Chuck and Pete's own indy label, Synkronos,
and available via Eurock, Backroads, Windspell Music, Minette Music, Of
Sound Mind, or Synkronos. Go out of your way to get this! It's as good
or better than SHADOWS OF LIGHT! Amazingly odd sounds and textures.
Below is the band's own copy which appeared at the bottom of their
photocopied 1992 tape list:
'The Nightcrawlers (Peter Gulch, Tom Gulch and Dave Lunt) have been
experimenting with synthesizers and space music since 1980 and continue
to do so today. Drawing on works by the influential pioneers of the
genre (Klaus Schulze and Tangerine Dream), The Nightcrawlers have
produced a wealth of music both live and in the studio. Dreams,
nightmares, time travel, signals from space, interstellar travel and
portrayals of our own living earth are inspirations for the trio.
'The above cassettes are live, real time recordings made over open
air microphones on location, or at the Nightcrawlers' studio. They are
one-to-one copies from the master tape. All cassettes are $4.00 U.S.
Postage and handling are included. Please note: foreign correspondents
please add $1.00 per item for postage and handling. Payment in U.S. funds
is appreciated. Buy any four tapes and get one of your choice free.
Recordings are available by mail. Contact: Peter Gulch; 1493 Greenwood
Avenue; Camden, NJ 08103-2929' [Pete's net address: ]
Below is an excerpt from a snail mail letter Peter Gulch sent me,
dated November 2, 1987:
'First of all I would like to explain briefly about the sound
quality on the tapes. You are not the first person to object to the
overall sound quality on the tapes. You are absolutely correct. The
sound is deficient in many ways. Every single one of the live tapes was
recorded on a portable cassette deck and it has built in limiters which
can't handle the total energy of the raw live sound. So every time we
get powerful or bassy, the limiters would cut in and trim the volume
down. We probably will not be using that particular deck anymore since
it is broken.
'My philosophy with the tapes was: 'Did they for the most part sound
listenable?' If they did, I put them out. They are not studio tapes
and are not up to that quality. Why? Our original emphasis as a group
was not on recording but on playing music together live. At the time,
we didn't really plan on releasing any tapes for anybody to listen to.
When we got more serious about recording, we started to do albums. Then
the sound quality was infinitely better. The huge tradeoff is that to
get superior sound quality on a tape also takes inifinitely more time.
We just didn't have it. So in the earlier days (up to last year) we
ignored doing studio work.
'In the future, since we are always being criticized for sound
quality on the cassette-only releases, we have decided to go in the
direction of the studio only. This will probably mean that we may do one
cassette a year. So this will probably mean no more cassettes, only
albums.
'On to another subject. I am aware that in Germany and Europe
someone is bootlegging all of our tapes. That is okay. At least people
will know about us.
'We have just received the reference lacquer for the third LP, which
means that on the current schedule, we should have the album out in
January 1988. We took a long time with this album to get good sound
quality. It took almost 14 months, working on and off when we could. I
think that you'll like it.'
Below is a rather sad note I got from Peter Gulch (dated 8/24/92),
when I received the BARRIERS double-cassette set:
'This is probably the last Nightcrawlers work. Dave got married
and is raising a family. Tom has osteoporosis of the spinal cord and is
not doing well. There were no other NC tapes or anything since SHADOWS
OF LIGHT. So you missed nothing.
'I am still active as Synbion and work with Xisle. I think the NC's
are dead as a group. BARRIERS was our last jam together. But who knows.'
Well, there you have it, folks. The lowdown on my favorite group
after Tangerine Dream. I love Brian Eno's work dearly, but my love for
weird sounds and atmospheres is better sated through the Nightcrawlers
by virtue of their sheer output alone.
Following my sig are reviews of SHADOWS OF LIGHT and REGENERATION
MODE, followed by a note from Chuck van Zyl
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
, and BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty.
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[From DREAMS WORD 8, Summer 1990, page 11:]
THE NIGHTCRAWLERS 'Shadows of Light'
Synkronos Music - LP - 1987
by Steven Feldman
This is a dynamite and dynamic LP, with two long (23:00 and 24:50)
pieces. They run the gamut from baroquely gradiose sonorities, draining
Klaus Schulze-esque synth solos, and psychedelic soundscapes, to esoteric
noodlings. Imagine a cross between Tangerine Dream's STRATOSFEAR, LOGOS,
and the long opener from WHITE EAGLE, 'Mojave Plan,' and you'll get the
idea. SHADOWS OF LIGHT shows Nightcrawlers members Dave Lunt, Peter
Gulch, and Tom Gulch in top form. This astounding record, which provokes
highly visual daydreaming, is the 'Crawler's third (and last?) vinyl
release. Much more polished than their cassette releases, it should be
bought both by the idly curious and long-time fans who might have given
up on them, as well. Few electronic albums make me feel as much like
I've been put through the proverbial wringer as this one does after a
listening. This is an absolute must for Tangerine Dream fans who pine
for the long blowouts the band used to make. The Nightcrawlers are not
preeminent musicians, but what they lack in ability they make up for in
fervor.
[From DREAMS WORD 19, Fall/Winter 1995, page 38:]
VAN ZYL AND GULCH 'Regeneration Mode'
(Synkronos) -- CD #SYNK024 - 1994
by Steven Feldman
Chuck van Zyl's music tends to sound like that of 1970 Klaus Schulze
and Steve Roach. Nightcrawlers founder Peter D. Gulch tends to make
music that sounds like 70s Tangerine Dream and Brian Eno circa 1978-1983
(from MUSIC FOR AIRPORTS to APOLLO) and--sometimes--70s Schulze. Chuck's
strength is his solos, while his weakness lies in his overreliance on
sequencer runs. Peter's strengths are his ambiences, phrasing, timbres,
and unique sound constructions, while his weakness reveals itself in his
soloing. With the addition of one D. Andrew Rath, van Zyl and Gulch make
up the band known as Xisle, an ensemble that does not always mesh as well
as it could. It is perhaps surprising, then, that sans Rath, van Zyl and
Gulch accentuate each other's strengths and all but eliminate their
weaknesses on this release--which marks their first outing as a duo.
Tracks 2-4 meld into each other, so it is not wholly inaccurate to say
that of the 5 compositions, there are basically 3 pieces--or units of
sound, if you will--lasting 29:32, 22:32, and 10:48, respectively. So
varied and wonderful are these pieces that it is difficult to choose a
favorite. The first recalls Tangerine Dream's RUBYCON and POLAND albums,
with the airiness of the quieter passages from 'Madrigal Meridian'
(CYCLONE) and the sound effects in between 'Le Parc' and 'Hyde Park' (LE
PARC). The second sounds like a cross between the Nightcrawlers at peak
form and TD's STRATOSFEAR minus the neo-Classical trappings. The third,
which is the title track, sounds like van Zyl's solo work more than
anything else, but uncharacteristically devoid of any overt Schulze
influence. This track starts off slow, builds in power, and then ends in
an upbeat manner, like TD's 'Underwater Twilight' (UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT),
leaving you wanting more. This is an exceptional effort by two veteran
synth players, ultimately even more rewarding than the excellent recent
releases from Chris Franke (BABYLON 5) and Johannes Schmoelling (SONGS NO
WORDS) insofar as much of what one hears here defies description. A very
loosely structured affair, one could perhaps categorize it as Dark
Ambient, making for a logical progression from the epochal Nightcrawlers
LP, SHADOWS OF LIGHT. Available from Synkronos, POB 22, Upper Darby, PA
19082-0022.
[From 1995 Synkronos snail-mail flyer announcing REGENERATION MODE:]
'Two stalwarts of the East Coast E.M. scene team up on this classic
excursion into the realm of deep space electronics. The series of 5
compositions explore all aspects of space music from ambient, to low
intensity noise, sequencer patterns, and experimental sound scapes. They
incorporate the multiple elements into arrangements that transform
smoothly and shift dramatically to form a wall of sound that ebbs and
flows beautifully. This is light years away from all the current play by
the numbers electronic machine music.'
-- Archie Patterson, EUROCK
'Chuck (who released CELESTIAL MECHANICS on Centaur 1993) and Peter
(from the top-rated American synth band Nightcrawlers) have achieved what
must be termed as a real artistic accomplishment, with a long (one cut
almost hits the half-hour mark!) and varied CD that covers a lot of
ground for just one album! They've hit on several different electronic
styles to make this disk and they have done it very well indeed, mixing
pure Traditional Electronic, Space Music, Ambient, New Age (if you could
call it that?) and some of the more esoteric stuff montaged together into
a future age music masterpiece that they can be really proud of!'
-- Dave Shoesmith, C&D COMPACT DISC SERVICES
'Chuck has been on the electronic scene for many years, releasing a
number of fine tapes, but never having a 'proper' release until now.
REGENERATION MODE pairs him with the equally excellent Peter of The
Nightcrawlers. It's obvious that a lot of work went into this and as
Chuck says, it doesn't sound like someone cranked it out in just one
afternoon.'
-- Steven Feignbaum, WAYSIDE MUSIC
[From the REGENERATION MODE web page at Peter Gulch's 1997 website:]
'This impressive release casts its spell with dark synthetic hues, a
few industrial references, and plenty of space. We can think of more
than a few artists on bigger labels who could learn something about
timbral combination and free compositional structure from this duo.'
-- Robert L. Doerschuk, KEYBOARD MAGAZINE
'[They] have proved they can combine electronic, progressive,
ambient, space and sci-fi music together better than anyone else around
today. Eno, TD, and Schulze *wish* they could come up with stuff as
good as this.'
-- Jason Marcewicz, SYNTHESIS
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Really-From: chuckv@p... (Chuck van Zyl)
Subject: KLEM Dag Pt 2: Travelling Backwards
|The Nightcrawlers|
Although there are many things to tell about KLEM Dag '97, I want to share
with you one of the main reasons I went to the event this year.
Manikin Records of Germany is one of Europe's many Electronic Music labels
that wait until KLEM Dag to release new CDs. Several months ago my friend
Peter Gulch was contacted by Mario Schonwalder about re-releasing the three
legendary Nightcrawlers LPs as a double CD retrospective on Manikin. An
agreement was struck and Peter sent copies of the master tapes to Manikin
and waited.
As planned, on October 11th, at KLEM Dag '97, The Nightcrawlers CD
'Travelling Backwards' was released and for the first time their music is
available on CD. It is hoped that now The Nightcrawlers will get the
recognition they deserve and their place be known in the history of
Spacemusic.
The group began as two brothers who, in the '70s, were so influenced by the
then new Electronic Spacemusic coming out of Germany, that they gave up all
other pursuits to focus attention on searching out more music by the heroes
of the day: Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Popol Vuh, Ash Ra Tempel,
Cluster and even Kalheinz Stockhausen.
Upon aquiring their own means of expressing themselves musically in the
German School mode, The Nightcrawlers formed and began taping jam sessions
in their garage, ultimately producing 35 cassette releases and almost
single handedly launching the cassette underground.
Throughout the '80s The Nightcrawlers were prolific concert perfomers and
should be given credit for contributions to the then new Electronic Music
scene here in Philadelphia. Before the introduction of MIDI and today's
more stable and compact music equipment, perfoming Spacemusic live was a
considerable task. Always showing up at concerts with a truckload of gear,
The Nightcrawlers would take hours to set up. Through their efforts in
concert, The Nightcralwers influenced many individuals to explore the idea
of making their own music, helped develop new venues and brought to the
attention of an unaware public that Electronic Music existed and is more
than just a studio art.
At the time of their first self titled LP, The Nightcrawlers were one in a
group of only about three or four American Spacemusic artists who
independently released their own music on vinyl.
A total of three LPs were released by the Nightcrawlers: 'The
Nightcrawlers' (1983), 'Space Walk' (1985) and 'Shadows of Light' (1987).
All tracks from the three LPs fit onto the 'Travelling Backwards'
retrospective.
Thanks to Mario Schonwalder of Manikin Records for working hard to bring to
light a piece of Spacemusic history.
Chuck van Zyl
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Date: Thu Oct 30, 1997 1:35
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Subject: Edgar & Jerome: Altered States...
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>I think that Jerome HAS developed a distinct musical personality from his
>father. To take a recent example:
>--listen to most of _Oasis_, and note how much of it sounds like older
>TD, older Froese, or _Beyond The Storm_. I don't just mean the timbres,
>I mean the overall approach to structure and melody, too.
>--listen to 'Summer Storm', and remark how different it sounds from the
>rest of _Oasis_.
>--or even more obvious: 'The Conspiracy' and 'Missing Link' vs. the rest
>of _Zoning_.
Oasis and Beyond The Storm, indeed, I enjoy very much. Zoning did little
for the Tangs' reputation. Tyranny of Beauty seems to benefit from a
balance that was absent from its predecessor, TotT, AND its successor,
Grabbin' Chub. Edgar and Jerome split the lead writing chores almost
equally, and beautiful music like 'Catwalk'==with its Schmoelling-era
sequencing and Gerald Gradwool's tastefully-executed acoustic guitar
flourish==is the result. Jerome did a great job on 'Bride In Cold Tears' as
well==don't take EVERYTHING I say so hard, Gabe!!! If I wasn't a fan, would
I even subscribe to this? heh heh
>Basically, I think Jerome's approach to composition is a little more
>'modern' than his father's. Most of us can smell a typical Edgar melody
>over a mile away, and there's lots of them on _Oasis_. Edgar's melodies
>tend to be very 'pure' and modal in nature (I think), whereas Jerome is
much
>less afraid of chromatics and dissonance--in his melodies, you can hear
>intervals that are uncommon to nonexistent in Edgar's. His choice of
>rhythms also tends to be more staccato and a bit more prone to rock or
techno
>'orthodoxy', and less quirky than Edgar's. And there is indeed some
>difference in timbre preference there, too.
Yeah, Gabe, Jerome's approach is a little more 'modern,' perhaps, albeit
undeveloped, and Edgar's approach is far from dated. Edgar's playing owes
more to classical music (gee, I can hear someone saying, 'No shit,
Sherlock!!!') and though Jerome cites Bach and other classical musicians as
influences, his dad is still TD's prime mover (though he better grab a
BOBKat and start moving more earth than with G.C.!!!!!) Jerome is listening
to many artists these days, and gleaning concepts from them whereas Edgar,
of course, gleaned from the 60s and 70s rock/prog-rock of his day...
>Also, (I should be saving this for D:BtS week maybe), Edgar is still able
>to communicate a warmth and depth of expression in his music that Jerome
has
>yet to master,
DITTO!!!!!
almost like he gets too caught up in the technical side of
>electronic composition.
DITTO AGAIN!!!!!!
>This is mostly in his recent solo music, though;
>he is tending to strike out more when he composes as part of TD. I'd
>take just about anything from _BtS_ over 'United Goblin's Parade' or 'Sad
>Merlin's Sunday', a track which, ironically, incorporates ideas from some
>of BtS's best pieces and makes a mess of them.
YEP!!!! Me, too! I'd take 'Carneol,' 'Shores of Guam' or the new,
revised/updated, 'Upland' (I can hear all you purists out there screaming)
over ANYTHING from Goblin's Club anyday!!!!
Hey, Gabe, you ain't dat bad of a dude, afta' all!!!! And I'm even
thinking of getting Tournado because there's no sax on it! (Hey, I like
sax, so don't freak, just not in the TD environment...)
I love ya all (heh heh)!!!
E-Man
>Gabe
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Date: Wed Oct 29, 1997 9:07
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Subject: Re: Tatort Soundtrack, Part 2 ???
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 07:05 PM 10/29/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Really-From: Richard Bilek
>
>
>Hello dreamers,
>
>I heard rumours, that new batch of 'Tatort' crimi movies starring
>G.George as Komissaire Schmianski is now recorded in Germany.
>Does anybody know, if we can expect any new TD music to this movies???
>
>Greetings, Richard Bilek
>---
>from Praha/Prague, Mother Of All Cities
hee hee hee!
Mike
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Date: Thu Oct 30, 1997 7:08
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Subject: Re: Horizon Music Orders
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Can I order CD's through Horizon even though I am not a current member
(used to be)?
How do I get a price list?
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Subject: Get the scoop!
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
Wow, CNN sure covers all the bases! I guess Linda Spa's taking the prez to
the Supreme Court for sexual harassment!
* * * * * * * * * * *
I just picked up Dream Mixes, Volume Three at Circuit Shitty (they carry
Cds now, you know); more good stuff! My fave tracks:
* 'Rising Haul In Silence (Corrosive Dub)' 5:38
* 'Story of the Brave (Cowardice Dub)' 6:01
* 'Birdwatcher's Dream (Enofied Mix)' 7:25
* 'Flash Flood (Peyote/Reggae Remix) 6:59
* 'Sequent C (Hotwire Dub)' 8:32
You should all get this one!!!!
E-Man
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Subject: Re: TD's use of DAT in concert
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Really-From: DJS
> Well, I'm sure this will open some debate or commentary...just
thought I'd
> relay what I'd heard about seven or eight years ago....
>
> Regards,
>
> E-Man
I was at that concert with Eli. I am one of many witness' that can
verify that it indeed did happen. No wonder the music was a perfect
translation of the studio album. Throughout the whole concert I was
saying to myself...'gee, I might as well have just brought a portable CD
player and listen to Optical Race. Where's the improv??'. No to say that
I didn't enjoy the show...but that's all it was really, sans guitar and
piano of course.
Dano
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Subject: Re: TD's use of DAT in concert
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Really-From: Grant Middleton
My 2c...
I'd say that TD are right to use DAT's for live gigs and here's why :-
Sequencers in the 1970s were analogue or fairly primitive digital
devices. In general, the analogue ones were limited to 16 notes
with evenly-spaced timing, whilst the digital ones could usually
hold up to a max of 256 notes, sometimes offering the ability to
enter 'real-time' timing.
TD's sound (and Schulze's sound) in the '70s was pretty much born
out of the limitations of those sequencers - they made the very
metronomic regularity the focus of the sequencer part, rather than
trying to make it more 'human'. In the early '80s, Roland developed
the Microcomposer series of multi-track sequencers. These provided
the ability to control up to 8 voltage-controlled modules on a
synth simultaneously and some composers actually become quite expert
at writing music directly in through the numeric keypad !
Later still, the super-computer systems like the Farilight CMI and
NED Synclavier offered more extensive compositional software, but
of course this technology was only available to the lucky few.
As digital gear became cheaper and more powerful, the features
developed for these top-end systems gradually appeared on
equipment which was affordable to small studios and even home
hobbyists. Computer-based sequencer packages like the Atari
Pro-24 or Cubase were a couple of quantum leaps removed from
their analogue forebears.
The trouble is that a modern software-based sequencer is
actually more analogous to a multi-track tape recorder than
an update of the typical analogue pattern-generator. It is
possible to capture almost every nuance of performance
through the MIDI system and to replay it perfectly time
after time. It has become the musical equivalent of a
word-processor; On a word-processor you can type in a line
of text, remove single words, rearrange the order of
paragraphs, check the spelling of long words, find suitable
replacements through an on-line thesaurus, etc. With a
typical sequencer package, you can remove bum notes, tidy
up timing, play difficult sections at slower speeds then
restore them to the original tempo. Hell, you can even
draw graphs to make your pitch bends that bit MORE
expressive than when they were played originally.
However, this process is very much non-real-time. It's
an offline activity. When you read a book, or hear
someone narating an audio book, you are completely
unaware of the number of re-writes that might have
taken place, the cycle of write-read-edit is invisible
to the end reader. Similarly, when you listen to an
album these days, all the subtlety in a sequenced
backing track is the result of minute examination
and alteration of the 'recorded' MIDI data.
In the '70s, Chris Franke was 'playing' his sequencer
live, by twiddling pitch knobs, altering tempo,
changing filter settings, etc. He had to, otherwise
the backing would have been so much wallpaper -
endlessly repeated patterns going off to the horizon.
As it was, no two bars were exactly identical.
So what do TD do with a sequencer in the '90s ? They
use it as a non-real-time tool for editting and
refining their music, NOT as a real-time instrument
to be played with as much care as a guitar or flute.
Is there any advantage to using a sequencer on-stage
instead of a DAT ? Well, I suppose they could drop
certain lines and play them live on piano, etc.
depending on the mood of the crowd. The overall
tempo could be increased for an excited audience
and reduced for a more placid crowd. But, and
this is a very important point, have TD ever
DONE this, or do they just trigger off their
stack of keyboards and modules as if they had
just pressed 'play' on a DAT player ?
Now, if they do simply hit 'play' then they'd be
crazy to trust their work to a computer, some
MIDI cabling, several synths, a mixer, etc.
Much, much simpler to shove a DAT into a DAT
player and press play. Sound quality every bit
as good as the original, and a hell of a lot
more reliable.
So yes, Edgar. Play all your backing on a DAT
and put all your performance skills to work on
piano and guitar. Better to hear the same
backing flawlessly than to live life on the edge
and have the whole of Phaedra played on a
General MIDI sax sound because a module didn't
receive a 'patch change' command correctly.
Grant
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Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
>Really-From: Michael Fox
>
>
>>Really-From: Richard Bilek
>>
>>Hello dreamers,
>>
>>I heard rumours, that new batch of 'Tatort' crimi movies starring
>>G.George as Komissaire Schmianski is now recorded in Germany.
>>Does anybody know, if we can expect any new TD music to this movies???
>>
>>Greetings, Richard Bilek
>
>hee hee hee!
>
>Mike
Richard, while I don't quite understand Mike's comment to your post, I can
confirm that German TV are going to shoot a new batch of Schimanski Tatort
movies, at least this has been reported in various newspapers.
However, don't get your hopes up too high for a TD score. After all, they
only scored 3 of the Tatort episodes with Schimanski ('Miriam', 'Das
Maedchen auf der Treppe' and 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck'), and existing studio
material was used for one more episode ('Heisser Schnee').
In total there were at least 15 to 20 episodes with Schimansi, so unlike
Babylon 5 or Streethawk, there is no 'automatic' link between the series
and TD. Note that TD also scored one (1) non-Schimanski Tatort in 1976
entitled 'Kassensturz'.
Hilmar
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Did anyone go to the Bristol show last night? How was it?
Scott E. Plumer
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I just have to add to the J&P thread that, as a non-native German speaker
(well, OK, it's definitely NOT that good at all, maybe call me a
non-native German stumbler ;-), that I enjoyed the narration of der meteor.
I found the narration fairly clear and comprehensible--almost like
something that might be used in a 2nd or 3rd German language course....
so, for me, it was a plus to hear TD or to hear some TD and listen to some
German... I, for one, will be eagerly awaiting the next release even if it
is only for another 5 minutes of music...
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
well I've nothing to add to your 'scary td' list, I'd like to say that
'wahn' is the scariest TD track of all time for me, perhaps because of
association. my wife and I were going camping in the white mountains of AZ
and arrived there late at night, we were looking for someplace really
remote and so we were driving on really obscure 4x4 trails, deer jumping
out in front of us right and left (and the only way to get them to move is
to turn your lights off!), all of this while atem is playing, finally, wahn
comes on as we push deeper into the night, never knowing what is around the
next corner, the screams just about made my wife flip out and she was
asking me to turn it off but I was really getting into it since the
landscape with no moon in the headlights was totally surreal; the
road/trail got narrower and narrower then, finally, ended.... just as wahn
also ends and we found ourselves perched above some humongous drop off.....
plunging hundreds of feet down..... so ever since then, Wahn has always
seemed to me like some desert sirens' call luring passerbys to their
death....
so anyone else have and spooky TD tales to add to this thread?
lars
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
OK
well I'm sure elana going to end up trading here 'thingy' to someone else
(not of course until Ether is released, hey Ash, do you have a release date
set yet??).... so to all of you with the download, does anyone want to
trade a copy for say a concert tape? If someone's got an original and
wants to trade that for something else, please let me know.
please contact me off list
thanks
lars
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Really-From: 'Jim Moore'
>Throughout the whole concert I was
> saying to myself...'gee, I might as well have just brought a portable CD
> player and listen to Optical Race. Where's the improv??'. No to say that
> I didn't enjoy the show...but that's all it was really, sans guitar and
> piano of course.
After listening to some of the early 80's concerts, is this really that
new?
I mean, White Eagle sounded exactly the same wherever it was played
in that tour (with extra sound effects layered over).
'Book burnings in 1997... Did we learn nothing
from Footloose?' -- Paula Poundstone
'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
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>Since Halloween is approaching fast, I thought I'd pose the
question:
>What TD or TD related (solo, etc) albums/songs do you think
would go good
>with Halloween? Like, if you were putting together a haunted
house, what
>music would you play as the soundtrack? I think a similar
question was
>asked here quite a while back, but I figure it'd be good to ask
again now.
Great thread! Here's some of my choices:
Teetering Scales (Miracle Mile)
Remote Viewing (Exit) This is always on my Call of Cthulhu tape.
Lost in the Dunes (Flashpoint)
Igneous (Thief)
parts of Pergamon
most of Atem
Galley Slave's Horizon (TotT)
My spooky TD story: Well, it's not really a spooky story, but
when I was in college, my roomates and I made a habit of exploring
places and things we shouldn't: abandoned buildings at the State Insane
Asylum, abandoned farmhouses, old trains, old mines, etc. In Appalachia,
there is _a_lot_ of abandoned stuff. To maximize our thrills, we'd play
suitable music prior to our arrival at one of these locations. The music
we played was heavy with TD, plus soundtracks from several horror
movies, with some classical stuff thrown in as well.
Scott
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>My spooky TD story: Well, it's not really a spooky story, but
when I was in college, my roomates >and I made a habit of exploring
places and things we shouldn't: abandoned buildings at the State >Insane
Asylum, abandoned farmhouses, old trains, old mines, etc. In Appalachia,
there is _a_lot_
BTW, if anyone's interested in seeing photos of some of these
places, check out this page:
http://voyager.cns.ohiou.edu/~mcorbin/dragon.html
No photos of the asylum, but lots of others.
Scott
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> Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
>
> Wow, CNN sure covers all the bases! I guess Linda Spa's taking the prez to
> the Supreme Court for sexual harassment!
This is a joke, right?
> * * * * * * * * * * *
>
> I just picked up Dream Mixes, Volume Three at Circuit Shitty (they carry
> Cds now, you know); more good stuff! My fave tracks:
>
> * 'Rising Haul In Silence (Corrosive Dub)' 5:38
> * 'Story of the Brave (Cowardice Dub)' 6:01
> * 'Birdwatcher's Dream (Enofied Mix)' 7:25
> * 'Flash Flood (Peyote/Reggae Remix) 6:59
> * 'Sequent C (Hotwire Dub)' 8:32
>
> You should all get this one!!!!
Huh? This has got to be another joke...Dream Mixes *II* isn't supposed
to be released until February 1998!
> E-Man
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Really-From: 'Craig Shipley'
With All-Hallows' Eve a mere two days' away, I thought that it might be nice
to see what the list(s) idea is of the perfect Halloween electronic music
might be. In my opinion, the best e-music for background effects is
Lightwaves' NACHTMUZIK; dark and eerie, abstract and ambient, perfect for
spooking the li'l critters coming to your door (this is about the only time
of the year that this CD gets played, as it really isn't good for much
else). OB-TD reference for that list; this was before Paul Haslinger joined
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Dont forget some parts of Logos are spooky too.
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>After listening to some of the early 80's concerts, is this really that
>new?
>I mean, White Eagle sounded exactly the same wherever it was played
>in that tour (with extra sound effects layered over).
Actually I don't think they used DAT in early 80's; some examples:
-80 tour:the first set is similar, but it has very different run-times
from one show to another:you could have it to 35 min but it could even
go upto 45min (as in soundtrack for fantasy)-longer improvisations some
time
-82 tour:the Mojave plan part-has different run-times from 20 to 26 min
(as in raticon)-improvisation is clear in both examples
I'd even say that from the sound you hear in the concerts upto 83 they
didn't use DAT's. From 86 above the shows are much more 'similar' one to
another.
Florin.
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
Well, my favourite Halloween music would be
Halloween by Pulsar. It is very haunting and very
good.
Starts with a little girl singing acapelle. And then a
mellotron-flute comes in and shortly after that a guitar
with in the backgound a string ensemble (Solina).
This is typical for Pulsar's music. You really should try
it, their best is Strands of the Future.
As for TD, there are more then 1 record you can use for this.
Best would be the Phaedra/Rubycon time, IMO.
Marcel
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(new pictures after the concert on 1st November)
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>On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
>
>> Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>>
>>
>> Wow, CNN sure covers all the bases! I guess Linda Spa's taking the prez to
>> the Supreme Court for sexual harassment!
>
>This is a joke, right?
>
>> * * * * * * * * * * *
>>
>> I just picked up Dream Mixes, Volume Three at Circuit Shitty (they carry
>> Cds now, you know); more good stuff! My fave tracks:
>>
>> * 'Rising Haul In Silence (Corrosive Dub)' 5:38
>> * 'Story of the Brave (Cowardice Dub)' 6:01
>> * 'Birdwatcher's Dream (Enofied Mix)' 7:25
>> * 'Flash Flood (Peyote/Reggae Remix) 6:59
The peyote part told me this was bullshit.
>> * 'Sequent C (Hotwire Dub)' 8:32
sequent c isn't this long and I can't imagine them remixing this...
>> You should all get this one!!!!
>
>Huh? This has got to be another joke...Dream Mixes *II* isn't supposed
>to be released until February 1998!
>
>> E-Man
>
>Gabe
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Lars wrote:
>I just have to add to the J&P thread that, as a non-native German speaker
>(well, OK, it's definitely NOT that good at all, maybe call me a
>non-native German stumbler ;-)
I wouldn´t call you a stumbler. Never. I´m impressed. I´m always impressed
if a native English speaker is interested in another language. :-)
There are only a few...
I´d choose Spanish as 2nd language if English would be my first, btw.
>, that I enjoyed the narration of der meteor.
> I found the narration fairly clear and comprehensible--almost like
> something that might be used in a 2nd or 3rd German language course....
Agreed. I´ll give my tape to the kids of friends. I´ve already said that
the story is quite interesting - even for adults. But it´s suitable
for kids, as the cover´s saying. Is anyone interested to hear their
comments ?
>so, for me, it was a plus to hear TD or to hear some TD and listen to some
>German... I, for one, will be eagerly awaiting the next release even if
it
>is only for another 5 minutes of music...
Enjoy :-)
Jens
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Gabe wrote:
> >Huh? This has got to be another joke...Dream Mixes *II* isn't supposed
> >to be released until February 1998!
No, Sir. No joke
The webpage says:
>MERCHANDISE
>As far as the merchandise front is concerned, you'll have more than one
>reason to save some bucks for your shopping spree before the gig starts,
>during the 20 minute break after the show. Apart from the usual T-shirts
and
>other memorabilias, the fans will have the chance to buy the following
CD's:
> Tournado The live cut, record in Europe 97
> The Keep A few pre-sale copies will be on sale (official
release: Jan 98)
> Oasis The high acclaimed US soundtrack
> TimeSquare Dream Mixes II - start of pre-sales (official release:
Feb 98)
> Ambient monkeys In huge demand: the pre-concert music and sounds -
strange stuff!
> World Tour Edition There are just a few copies left from this limited
Maxi-edition
TimeSquare (Dream Mixes II) is already available - in the UK. (someone
(Stefan ?) already posted that, IIRR).
I´m glad that my friend Andy asked me if I wanna have a copy :). Thanks in
advance :-)
I hope to get my copy soon since Dream Mixes I is quite good, IMHO.
I´ll review it ASAP if anyone´s interested.
Jens
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In a message dated 97-10-29 13:27:41 EST, you write:
<< An
excellent album, and thanks for the excellent review too.
Dennis >>
A pleasure. I'm putting this one on tape to play in the car. Of
course, I'll have to erase one. I guess 'Rockoon' has to go. ;-)
Phil N.
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Glynn
Hi, sorry to do this on the list but my e-mail to your address has been
bouncing and everyone else seems to have lost touch with you as well.
Please contact me at this address.
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>> Wow, CNN sure covers all the bases! I guess Linda Spa's taking the prez
to
>> the Supreme Court for sexual harassment!
>
>This is a joke, right?
>
>> * * * * * * * * * * *
>>
>> I just picked up Dream Mixes, Volume Three at Circuit Shitty (they carry
>> Cds now, you know); more good stuff! My fave tracks:
>>
>> * 'Rising Haul In Silence (Corrosive Dub)' 5:38
>> * 'Story of the Brave (Cowardice Dub)' 6:01
>> * 'Birdwatcher's Dream (Enofied Mix)' 7:25
>> * 'Flash Flood (Peyote/Reggae Remix) 6:59
The peyote part told me this was bullshit.
>> * 'Sequent C (Hotwire Dub)' 8:32
sequent c isn't this long and I can't imagine them remixing this...
OF COURSE IT'S A JOKE, GUYS!!! SO LAUGH ALREADY!!!!
E-Man
P.S. HOW MANY EDGARS DOES IT TAKE TO SCREW IN A LIGHT BULB?
a: HE DOESN'T HAVE THAT ONE ANYMORE...HE SOLD IT ALONG WITH HIS MEMORYMOOG
AND HIS ELKA!!!!
HAHAHAHAHA
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Just a quickie:
Any of you at the Nottingham Royal Concert Hall last night?
Steve.
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>Glynn
>Hi, sorry to do this on the list but my e-mail to your address has been
>bouncing and everyone else seems to have lost touch with you as well.
>
>Please contact me at this address.
>thanks
>
>lars
Ah, it's nice to feel wanted :-) Actually, it's an amazing
coincidence that you should post this today, Lars - the day
after I re-subscribed to tadream! I finished college in July
and I started a new job, and I've only just got e-mail access
back. Everything happened so fast - from starting looking for
work at the beginning of June to several job offers by the beginning
of July :-) - that I didn't have time to post a message saying I would
be out of circulation for a while.
Looking forwards to the concerts in London and Manchester next week.
Especially Manchester, where I'm one of the Voyager readers going
backstage after the show to talk to the band. When I think of all the
questions over the years that I thought of to ask Edgar - now that it's
going to happen my mind's gone blank. Ah well, sure I'll think of something.
One particular outstanding issue - Fransisco, are you still out there? I
know
I still owe you some tapes from our last trade. If all goes well my
collection should be larger by the end of next week, so I'll send
these to you :-)
Please note that my e-mail account is shared and is supposed to be work-
related, so it's not ideal for people to post messages to me directly.
Please avoid if poss. (snail or phone preferred), but if you do, put
'To: Glynn Naughton' in the subject header.
BTW, a tangentially-related issue, in that most people who like TD seem
to like Floyd: We saw the Australian Pink Floyd at the Shepherd's Bush
Empire last week. Anyone who has a chance to see these guys should do so.
They were &$^$&*%^ brilliant. The keyboards player in particular is a real
boffin and a fabulous musician - he did everything from simulating the sax
solos to reproducing the big orchestral score on 'High Hopes'. And there
wasn't a DAT in sight. They did 'Comfortably Numb' and 'Shine On' better
than the real Floyd!
Nice to be back,
Glynn
PS:
Edgar and Jerome decide to spend some of their royalties learning
to fly. They buy themselves a plane and their maiden flight is,
predictably, a disaster - especially the landing. The plane slews
around and comes to a screeching halt.
'Mein Gott, that was a short runway!' exclaims Jerome, still
shaking.
'Right on,' agrees Edgar. 'But look how bloody wide it is!'
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Really-From: scooter@m... (John Von Pey)
Hello All,
I would like to introduce myself to this list. My name is John von Pey,
and I am a TD fan for quite some years now. My first album was sorcerer
(bought because it was cheap, and had an interesting cover). Before this
I never heard about TD, after this I was sold. I now own about 150 TD items,
and still can't get enough.
I have been lucky enough to see TD perform live twice now, dec. 1997 in
Shepards Bush (does anyone know if there is a registration of this concert?)
and in may in Brussels.
My other hobby's are (in music): Jean Michel Jarre, Meat Loaf, The Blues
Brothers and last but not least The Muppets. If YOU think this is a strange
list, you should see the faces of record sellers at fairs when I ask for
these artists :-))
Next to these I've got the following hobby's: working with ceramics, driving
my scooter (hence my e-mail adress), and invertrbrates (esp. tarantula's,
millipedes, stick insects). In the spare time I play slide trombone in two
bands, but I can also get away with a tenor saxophone, keybords and basic
percussion.
Because all this takes most of my free time, I e-mail at work. I am a lab
technician at a school (I have to assist the biology teachers with the
practical lessons, and also prepare these lessons). No, we don't kill
animals in these lessons, nor for use in these lessons. We do use the live
ones mentioned above for illustration.
Well, that's me, and I think this is enough for just a first message.
Tadream on,
John
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Scott Plumer wrote:
> Great thread! Here's some of my choices:
>
> Teetering Scales (Miracle Mile)
> Remote Viewing (Exit) This is always on my Call of Cthulhu tape.
Hey, I use for my dark roles of Lord Of The Rings and Fantasy all the albums
since 1970 to 1975, especially Zeit -the opening of Birth Of Liquid Plejades is
'terrorify' good-, Atem, Green Desert and Phaedra.
Greetings.
José Ramón
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> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
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> I just have to add to the J&P thread that, as a non-native German speaker
> (well, OK, it's definitely NOT that good at all, maybe call me a
> non-native German stumbler ;-), that I enjoyed the narration of der meteor.
> I found the narration fairly clear and comprehensible--almost like
> something that might be used in a 2nd or 3rd German language course....
> so, for me, it was a plus to hear TD or to hear some TD and listen to some
> German...
This message reminded me the time when I was trying to learn some German
language a few years ago. I was following the German course 'Was?' on
Deutsche Welle TV, and I got a pleasant surprise when, in a lesson,
together with some nice pictures of Germany, some TD music was used (Red
Roadster, from Rockoon, if memory serves).
Other lessons, called 'superlearning', presented some
electronic-ambient-spacey music composed by a certain Ljubo Majstorovic.
Does anyone know if this guy published any album?
Antonio
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Hi, is anyone going to the Glasgow gig on Saturday? I will be there, in
the front row with my Stranglers T-shirt on - if anyone wants to embarass
themselves by talking to me. ;-)
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but the nerds were here first! '
(c) 1997 Humble Joe
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Subject: Nottingham Concert and THE KEEP.
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>Really-From: Stephen Yensen
>
>Just a quickie:
>
>Any of you at the Nottingham Royal Concert Hall last night?
>
>Steve.
I'm sure some of you are waiting for first impressions, so here are a few
of mine.
Although changes have been made, the set wasn't massively different to the
first half of the European tour. Again, this was a concert of two halves,
with the old tunes being pushed out in the first half and the newer stuff
being given loving treatment in the second.
Zlatko has made a big improvement on previous years (i.e. he's become a
little bit subtler in the way he uses the guitar), although he can't match
Gerald Gradwohl on Stratosfear at the '96 London concert (nor Edgar of
course). Emil Hachfeld did sterling service on percussion, but he did seem
to make hard work of it once or twice.
Apart from spotlights on Emil Hachfeld when his drum solo came up and
Zlatko, Edgar and Jerome seemed to stay in the shadows and the background,
if that's possible to do whilst being situated centre-stage.
The lighting and video effects made up a great part of the show and this
proved the biggest change since the earlier part of the tour. Although
there was less of a theme, apart from a suggestion of pro-creation at the
beginning and sequences (lots of octopuses), the complexity of
the computer and lighting created images was greatly increased (must have
taken days of processing time), even if the computer images were not as
varied in subject matter as before.
That's my first impression.
Now onto THE KEEP. Whereas the Dream Mixes II and Ambient Monkey's CD's are
standard store issue editions, this is a limited edition version without a
catalogue number on the sleeve. The sound quality is superb but hang on to
your illegal copy lads and lasses cause several important bits of music are
missing (including my favourite bit), unless they're going to improve on
the 60 mins. running time for the full store issue (although I doubt it).
--Jason.
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>OF COURSE IT'S A JOKE, GUYS!!! SO LAUGH ALREADY!!!!
When the jokes start being funny, then we'll laugh.
>P.S. HOW MANY EDGARS DOES IT TAKE TO SCREW IN A LIGHT BULB?
>a: HE DOESN'T HAVE THAT ONE ANYMORE...HE SOLD IT ALONG WITH HIS
MEMORYMOOG
>AND HIS ELKA!!!!
See what I mean?
Scott
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Jason P. Hopkins'
>
> Although changes have been made, the set wasn't massively different to the
> first half of the European tour. Again, this was a concert of two halves,
> with the old tunes being pushed out in the first half and the newer stuff
> being given loving treatment in the second.
So, what were the setlists then?
> Zlatko has made a big improvement on previous years (i.e. he's become a
> little bit subtler in the way he uses the guitar), although he can't match
> Gerald Gradwohl on Stratosfear at the '96 London concert (nor Edgar of
> course). Emil Hachfeld did sterling service on percussion, but he did seem
> to make hard work of it once or twice.
Everyone else seems to think he's listless this year...
>
> The lighting and video effects made up a great part of the show and this
> proved the biggest change since the earlier part of the tour. Although
> there was less of a theme, apart from a suggestion of pro-creation at the
> beginning and sequences (lots of octopuses), the complexity of
> the computer and lighting created images was greatly increased (must have
> taken days of processing time), even if the computer images were not as
> varied in subject matter as before.
uh, yeah, but do you go to a TD show for THE SHOW, or the music?
> That's my first impression.
>
> Now onto THE KEEP. Whereas the Dream Mixes II and Ambient Monkey's CD's are
> standard store issue editions, this is a limited edition version without a
> catalogue number on the sleeve. The sound quality is superb but hang on to
> your illegal copy lads and lasses cause several important bits of music are
> missing (including my favourite bit), unless they're going to improve on
> the 60 mins. running time for the full store issue (although I doubt it).
What are the tracklists???? Just what is this Ambient Monkeys thing, anyway?
Is there a remix of 'Towards The Evening Star' on DM2?
> --Jason.
Gabe
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Really-From: Bill Lantz
Well, we dressed up for Halloween this year (I was a purple wizard and she
was Little Bo Peep) so we had some fun with the trick or treaters and I had
Sorcerer and Green Desert back to back playing in the background. It was
perfect - you could see the kiddies looking around over our shoulders -
and I never realized how well those two albums go together.
Speaking of which, when I listen to TDream, it usually is more than one
album at a time. Digging one LP out usually ends up with me digging out
another right behind it. My all time favorite combo is Phaedra into
Rubycon. Stratosfear and Encore work well too.
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> >OF COURSE IT'S A JOKE, GUYS!!! SO LAUGH ALREADY!!!!
> When the jokes start being funny, then we'll laugh.
>
> >P.S. HOW MANY EDGARS DOES IT TAKE TO SCREW IN A LIGHT BULB?
>
> >a: HE DOESN'T HAVE THAT ONE ANYMORE...HE SOLD IT ALONG WITH HIS
> MEMORYMOOG
> >AND HIS ELKA!!!!
> See what I mean?
>
> Scott
I think what Eli is trying to say is that you don't have to laugh if you
have not wit or you don't understand the joke....but also you don't need
to even comment if you don't get it. Personally, we don't care if you
get it or not OR if you find it amusing. If you don't get it...don't
comment. Just a suggestion for those stiff necks out there with the
airplanes flying over their head.
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
Hello People,
I'm here again, back from my ( late) holidays and I see there is some
fire in the list.
> OK, people have posted to this list information about samples and photos on
> web pages and lots of related stuff to this list since Stephan joined
> (remember he's been at this for awhile -- january 97?). Hell, even the
> bush tape tree has run openly in that time -- all of this without comment.
Agree, Stephan did a friendly advice, but regarding the Shepherd's Bush
tree ( and, also, the MPG3 samples) he has a confusion about the term
bootleg.
I understand both ( the bush tree and those samples) are infringing the
copyright law, strictly speaking, but they are not bootlegs.
A bootleg is a distribution intended to make money. Neither the bush
tree nor the samples were.
The Bush tree had a total of 80 members. Maybe samples were downloaded
by 150 or 200 people. I'm sure no damage has been done to TD in any
ways. My opinion is they did positive effects, and is as harmless as the
samples you might encounter in a net-store, specially in the second
case.
I understand Edgar Froese's rights to act legally, but, since no harm
has been done, it would be a waste of effort and time, maybe, even,
unwise, commercially speaking.
There are a lot of artists ( some very well known such as Bela Fleck,
Methalica, Phish etc) that allow concert taping, and even offer special
taper
tickets, having the better positions to tape, and access to the
soundboard. Those artists know the power and benefits of tape trading
and they don't see such activity as a threat to their official sales.
I know, Edgar is intelligent enougth to know it.
---Francisco
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Subject: Pre-release THE KEEP, DREAM MIXES II/TIME SQUARE, AMBIENT MONKEYS
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>Subject: Nottingham Concert and THE KEEP.
>Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 22:44:29 +0000
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: 'Jason P. Hopkins'
>
>Now onto THE KEEP. Whereas the Dream Mixes II and Ambient Monkey's CD's
>are standard store issue editions, this is a limited edition version
>without a catalogue number on the sleeve. [. . .]
You had to say the 'K' word, didn't you? Okay, now, everybody who
is not a monomaniac can skip the rest of this message and have a nice
day. The rest of you are invited to stay for as long as you want before
boredom sets in and you just can't stand it anymore. ;) ;) ;) :)
I'm sure that I speak for everyone when I say that it would be
great if you'd print the track lists for all three items, along with the
relevant credits. By 'relevant credits,' I mean copyright dates and
permissions given re THE KEEP . . . and who the members of this 'Ambient
Monkeys' thingie are (I suspect it's a Jerome project, but if it was, I
would've thought you'd said so) . . . and how many discs are in DREAM
MIXES II and what albums DREAM MIXES II draws on.
>[. . .] The sound quality is superb but hang on to your illegal copy
>lads and lasses [. . .]
Well, duh. Seeing as the 'unofficial' THE KEEP items are allegedly
taken from the engineering studio and hence are rough mixes, there is
bound to be a difference between them and what came out officially on
CD--even if Edgar *didn't* spend six weeks fiddling with the tapes.
For that matter, parting with the vinyl originals wouldn't be too
smart, either, because the chances that the boots, the original vinyl,
and the product of Edgar's six-week fiddling all matching up track per
track are rather low, to begin with. (Yes, I know, parting with the
vinyl original would be dumb, period, for anyone who has it, but there
*are* those anti-vinyl folks who will dump vinyl the second their CD
counterparts come into existence. I'm hoping that some of these types
will be too oblivious to care about the differences between the vinyl
and the CD and will bring 'em in to sell at their neighborhood used
record store! :) Hey, well, I can dream, can't I?)
>[. . .] cause several important bits of music are missing (including my
>favourite bit), [. . .]
Can anyone here think of one, single, solitary, lone Tangerine
Dream soundtrack album whose tracks match those used in the film track-
per-track, version-for-version? My guess is 'no.' Need I remind anyone
of the country track on FIRESTARTER or that the music used in the film's
climax varies significantly from that on the album?
>[. . .] unless they're going to improve on the 60 mins. running time
>for the full store issue (although I doubt it).
First of all, it should be obvious by now that what is now being
passed off as the THE KEEP soundtrack bears little in common with what
briefly surfaced in 1984, if only because LPs generally don't have more
than 48 minutes of music on them. The chances that this new CD has
everything the original album had and then some are possible if the
following scenario is true, though: maybe Edgar decided to give the TD
fans a break by issuing THE KEEP's original un-adorned tracks (including
those that didn't make it to the album in 1984) on the pre-release CD,
while releasing the product of six-week's fiddling to the rest of the
world at large afterwards. When I told Lars about this possibility, I
qualified it by saying that I didn't think 'Edgar is smart enough or
understands his fans enough to do something like that.' Lars said that
I perhaps was underestimating Edgar's understanding of his fan base and
his desire to make more money from making alternate versions of things
(such as the CLUB DREAM MIXES, the Australian GOBLINS' CLUB, and the
American OASIS). I disagreed, saying that Edgar hates for the band to
be represented by their past, and hence his insistence on re-packinging
the past (TANGENTS, DREAM ROOTS, DREAM MIXES, BEYOND THE STORM) in the
guise of the new, and that it was unlikely that TDI has enough capital
and enough initiative to actually master a different set of CDs with
such a low print run.
There is also a problem with what has been referred to as 'limited
edition's and 'pre-release version's. Has anyone, for example, seen a
*non*-limited TDI CD release of TURN OF THE TIDES or TYRANNY OF BEAUTY?
And has anyone noticed any difference between the pre-released OASIS and
the version that has been available via TDI since? Going by the logic
that Ashok Prema has used in not wanting to re-press RED SHIFT because
of perceived lack of demand, what if Ed/TDI has decided that the demand
for TURN OF THE TIDES and TYRANNY OF BEAUTY do not necessitate another
pressing, with the result that the limited edition pressings end up
being the *only* pressings?
Now, I direct you to a quote from the official TD website:
|[. . .] One month prior to the official release a very special
|designed edition of just 150 copies will go to those of you, who
|place the order for one copy each - a special subscribers list will
|be set up next month on this website. [. . .]
If there are, in fact, only 150 copies of this 'very special
designed edition of just 150 copies' of the THE KEEP CD, why in heck is
Ed selling them at gigs? I came up with the following possible reasons:
o More than 150 copies have been pressed ('If it worked with QUINOA, it
will work with THE KEEP,' might have been Edgar's line of reasoning).
o Ed decided that 150 people wouldn't request copies from their website
(even though this mailing list supposedly has 388 subscribers).
o There are--just as there was with Chris Franke's KLEMANIA--*two* pre-
release versions of THE KEEP CD: one for gigs, the other for the web.
None of the reasons are very reassuring, are they? :( :( :(
Anyways, I *would* like to know what sort of graphics the THE KEEP
CD wound up with--even if they differ greatly from the version the rest
of the world winds up with. I remember fairly clearly what the front
cover of the album looked like, and have a vague memory of the layout of
the back cover.
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
, and BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty.
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| 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! |
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> OK, people have posted to this list information about samples and photos
on
> web pages and lots of related stuff to this list since Stephan joined
> (remember he's been at this for awhile -- january 97?). Hell, even the
> bush tape tree has run openly in that time -- all of this without
comment.
Francisco,
Do you know what has happened to the european end of the S.Bush tree ?
I heard from Hilmar that he was getting his cd's and we arranged a trade
and I sent a video and cassette to him, but I have heard nothing now for
three weeks. I emailed him to ask if he had recieved my package but no
answer.
Do you know of anything wrong either with Hilmar or the Tree !
Hope you can help
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> OK, people have posted to this list information about samples and photos
on
> web pages and lots of related stuff to this list since Stephan joined
> (remember he's been at this for awhile -- january 97?). Hell, even the
> bush tape tree has run openly in that time -- all of this without
comment.
Sorry, this should not have gone to the list.
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In a message dated 97-10-31 07:28:13 EST,
<< I would like to introduce myself to this list. My name is John von Pey,
and I am a TD fan for quite some years now. My first album was sorcerer
(bought because it was cheap, and had an interesting cover). Before this
I never heard about TD, after this I was sold. I now own about 150 TD items,
and still can't get enough.
>>
Welcome to Tangerine Dreamaholics Anonymous. Everyone, this is
John.
John, tell everyone in the group how you sold your soul for a copy of
'Sephiroth Awakenings' the previously unknown TD studio release from 1987.
All kidding aside welcome to the group.
Errr, that was a joke everybody. There is no 'Sephiroth
Awakenings. Really. I was just kidding. Just made the name up.
Honestly. . . . . . !
Phil Naunton
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Hello there!
I'm looking for a girlfriend who share the same interests than me.
But, just to know, how many girls here (or how many do you know) are
under 18, like Internet and really love to listen to Tangerine Dream, Klaus
Schulze and related music?
I guess no more than 5 around the world, how many in my area?
I don't think I've chance to get one, heh? :)
See ya!
:) Michael (:
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>
> Errr, that was a joke everybody. There is no
'Sephiroth.... <------
sounds like the dude I'm fighting on Final Fantasy VII
heehee
> Awakenings. Really. I was just kidding. Just made the name up.
> Honestly. . . . . . !
>
> Phil Naunton
>
>
Greg...
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Michael,
First, there are only 2 maybe three females on the list.
And second...do you know the meaning of DESPERATE ?
which is the way your post comes across.
Third, I doubt you will ever find what you are looking for.
Robert
>Really-From: Michael Richard
>
>
>Hello there!
>
>I'm looking for a girlfriend who share the same interests than me.
>
>But, just to know, how many girls here (or how many do you know) are
>under 18, like Internet and really love to listen to Tangerine Dream, Klaus
>Schulze and related music?
>
>I guess no more than 5 around the world, how many in my area?
>I don't think I've chance to get one, heh? :)
>
> See ya!
>
> :) Michael (:
>
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Subject: 'The Sunday Times 1000 Makers of Music'
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A bit of information (I've waited 6 weeks for this) ...
This is the complete text of TD's entry from today's Sunday Times
'1000 Makers of Music' (part 6 - Sibelius to Zukerman).
====================================================================
'Tangerine Dream
German, formed 1968, prog-rock band
Under Edgar Froese, the Berlin band began conventionally enough,
covering the likes of the Doors and Pink Floyd, but following time
spent by Froese with Salvador Dali, opted for what was essentially
an electronic distillation of the instrumental portions of Pink Floyd.
Following their impressionistic first LP, Electronic Meditation (1970),
a new Tangerine Dream trio of Froese, Chris Franke and Peter Baumann
recorded Alpha Centauri, Zeit and Atem, hitting the LP top 10 with
Phaedra, their first LP for Virgin. A tour of cathedrals led to the
trio being banned from Catholic buildings by the Pope, and possibly the
most astonishing night York Minster has witnessed since the Reformation.
Many subsequent LPs have sold steadily without matching Phaedra and
there are loud echoes of Dream, especially from the early LPs, in much
contemporary dance music, making them as influential, in their way, as
the more highly regarded Can. Klaus Schulze has apparently recorded
50 LPs since leaving the original Dream after that first album.
Excessive, but rather him than Phil Collins, hey?
Keywork: Phaedra (1974)'
John Peel - Broadcaster, Disc Jockey.
There is a 5'x5' colour photograph of Chris Franke (!), dated around
1973
judging by his equipment, with the caption:
'Dream on: Chris Franke joined Tangerine Dream in time for the group
to be banned from Catholic buildings by the Pope'
========================================================================
I know that John Peel has been broadcasting popular, progressive and
rock music on the BBC since the 60's, and is still doing so today.
I remember hearing 'Movements of a Visionary' for the very first time
on his Radio 1 Show 'Sounds of the 70s'. I had heard them before, but
didn't really like their seemingly unconnected electronic sounds at
the time.
I think from that moment on, I was hooked ...
Steve.
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At 02:01 2-11-97 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Really-From: Michael Richard
>
>Hello there!
>
>I'm looking for a girlfriend who share the same interests than me.
>
>But, just to know, how many girls here (or how many do you know) are
>under 18, like Internet and really love to listen to Tangerine Dream, Klaus
>Schulze and related music?
>
>I guess no more than 5 around the world, how many in my area?
>I don't think I've chance to get one, heh? :)
>
> See ya!
>
> :) Michael (:
>
Well Michael,
Don't be that negative ; of course you'll find a girlfriend who loves to
listen to TD and other electronic music.
I had the same problem too for a couple of years, but.....last years'
KLEMdag really was my happy day. During the Paul Haslinger concert......do I
need to say more ??? Since then, we went to a lot of electronic concerts and
we have a wonderful relation.
So keep the faith and I'm sure your wishes will be fullfilled !!!
Cheeeeeeeers, Wouter.
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Hello!
> First, there are only 2 maybe three females on the list.
> And second...do you know the meaning of DESPERATE ?
> which is the way your post comes across.
> Third, I doubt you will ever find what you are looking for.
My message was almost to you to realize that there's no many girls who
like electronic music. If you saw 2 or 3 girls on the list, you saw 2 or 3
girls more than me. There's no many young people too who like it. I'm
wondering if I'm the youngest on the list with my 18? It wasn't a message
of desperation 'cause I'm not really looking for a girlfriend who likes
Tangerine
Dream, as you said, I'll never find what I'm looking for.
See ya!
:) Michael (:
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This week we would like to hear comments on:
Edgar Froese - Kamikaze 1989
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Please make subject heading 'D:Kamikaze 1989' when replying.
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Really-From: Michael Richard
Hello!
>> First, there are only 2 maybe three females on the list.
>> And second...do you know the meaning of DESPERATE ?
>> which is the way your post comes across.
>> Third, I doubt you will ever find what you are looking for.
>My message was almost to you to realize that there's no many girls who
>like electronic music. If you saw 2 or 3 girls on the list, you saw 2 or
3
>girls more than me. There's no many young people too who like it. I'm
>wondering if I'm the youngest on the list with my 18? It wasn't a message
>of desperation 'cause I'm not really looking for a girlfriend who likes
Tangerine
>Dream, as you said, I'll never find what I'm looking for.
>See ya!
>:) Michael (:
Get into prog rock, dude, there's more women than into that than emusic,
heh heh,
lots of cuties at Los Angeles's Progfest '97 back in May, heh heh, and I
was with one of them, hee hee
Really, the net isn't any place to pick up, bro. What if you desperately
like somebody, and she likes you, and let's say you live in the UK or
wherever, and she lives in New Zealand? Are you going to ask your boss for
a raise to save for a plane ticket?!?!?!!?!??!!?
Words of wisdom from
E-Man
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On Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:16:45 -0500 (EST), tadream@c... (tadream
mailing list) wrote:
>This week we would like to hear comments on:
>
>Edgar Froese - Kamikaze 1989
Co-incidentally I just copied this from vinyl to tape yesterday
although having listened to it again I'll probably wipe it. Stuntman
it ain't. Some better rhythmic ideas than recent TD but not a decent
tune on it and little development. As film music it may work although
the shots from the film aren't encouraging.
Sometimes (especially where film music is concerned) Edgar seems to be
unable to stop himself releasing any old tosh he generates. Sad if
there really is good stuff hidden in the archives.
Still, off to Leeds soon to see and worship the KoncertMeister (& son)
Fingers crossed that at least some of it is 'live'....whatever that
means these days....
Paul
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>Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
>
>
>Michael,
> First, there are only 2 maybe three females on the list.
> And second...do you know the meaning of DESPERATE ?
>which is the way your post comes across.
> Third, I doubt you will ever find what you are looking for.
> Robert
Aren't we cheerful today.
Morgan
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> Really-From: Michael Richard
>
> Hello there!
>
> I'm looking for a girlfriend who share the same interests than me.
>
> But, just to know, how many girls here (or how many do you know) are
> under 18, like Internet and really love to listen to Tangerine Dream, Klaus
> Schulze and related music?
>
> I guess no more than 5 around the world, how many in my area?
> I don't think I've chance to get one, heh? :)
>
> See ya!
>
> :) Michael (:
Uuuuuuh......yeah.
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> In a message dated 97-10-31 07:28:13 EST,
>
> << I would like to introduce myself to this list. My name is John von Pey,
> and I am a TD fan for quite some years now. My first album was sorcerer
> (bought because it was cheap, and had an interesting cover). Before this
> I never heard about TD, after this I was sold. I now own about 150 TD items,
> and still can't get enough.
> >>
> Welcome to Tangerine Dreamaholics Anonymous. Everyone, this is
> John.
> John, tell everyone in the group how you sold your soul for a copy of
> 'Sephiroth Awakenings' the previously unknown TD studio release from 1987.
>
> All kidding aside welcome to the group.
>
> Errr, that was a joke everybody. There is no 'Sephiroth
> Awakenings. Really. I was just kidding. Just made the name up.
> Honestly. . . . . . !
>
> Phil Naunton
Phil, been playing one too many Final Fantasy games? Heh heh.
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> Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>
> >
> > Errr, that was a joke everybody. There is no
> 'Sephiroth.... <------
>
> sounds like the dude I'm fighting on Final Fantasy VII
> heehee
>
> > Awakenings. Really. I was just kidding. Just made the name up.
> > Honestly. . . . . . !
> >
> > Phil Naunton
> >
> >
>
> Greg...
Hey Greg...how many Chocobo's need to breed before your wife leaves you,
your dog leaves you and you get fired from your job? The answer:
I think you know heh heh heh.
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> Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
>
> Michael,
> First, there are only 2 maybe three females on the list.
> And second...do you know the meaning of DESPERATE ?
> which is the way your post comes across.
> Third, I doubt you will ever find what you are looking for.
> Robert
Heh heh heh. There can be only one....chick! Heh heh....let's all fight
for her! Where is she??
D.
>
> >Really-From: Michael Richard
> >
> >
> >Hello there!
> >
> >I'm looking for a girlfriend who share the same interests than me.
> >
> >But, just to know, how many girls here (or how many do you know) are
> >under 18, like Internet and really love to listen to Tangerine Dream, Klaus
> >Schulze and related music?
> >
> >I guess no more than 5 around the world, how many in my area?
> >I don't think I've chance to get one, heh? :)
>
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Subject: Boy wants to meet 'Dream' Girl
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Hi, my name is Danny and I've been looking for a person of the opposite
sex for some time now to listen to Tangerine Dream with. She must also
be into prog because of my tremendous Pendragon & Hawkwind collection.
Also, I want her to be open to going to Tangerine Dream concerts and
viewing through kaleidescopes with me whist watching the show. I don't
mind if you are fat. It'd be better than nothing. Also, we can have cool
discussions on Babylon 5, Star Trek (and dress up as klingons at trek
shows), and maybe, just maybe...we can also play magic the gathering as
we listen to the greatest hits of the 80's cd's and the new remix of
Towards The Evening Star by the Orb!!. I hope you'll contact me soon...I
can't wait to watch Sailor Moon & Ranma 1/2 together.
Danny Boy
(now...in case there is a fat chick out there who wants me now...it was
a joke!!) heh heh
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Subject: Re: Nottingham Concert and THE KEEP.
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>> Zlatko has made a big improvement on previous years (i.e. he's become a
>> little bit subtler in the way he uses the guitar), although he can't
match
>> Gerald Gradwohl on Stratosfear at the '96 London concert (nor Edgar of
>
>Everyone else seems to think he's listless this year...
-- BS! don't lump me in with your crowd. I and several others have given
sterling reviews of Zlatko's work and think he is a big improvement on
gradwohl and hornby.
lars
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Subject: Another Forgotten American
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Really-From: Jim Moore
I, like many of my American Tangerine Dream fans,
am hoping that someone could scoop up an extra copy
of The Keep, Ambient Monkeys, and DM2 for me, as
there is no word of a North American tour yet.
Many thanks for anyone who can help out. I can pay
check, money order, etc.
- jim
'I object to all this sex on the television... I keep
falling off!' -- Graham Chapman
'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia
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Subject: Limited Editions
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Really-From: 'Gerry Fox'
At the Glasgow concert there was plenty copies of the Keep. The price was a
bit steep at 20pounds sterling. ref the recent comments about a limited
edition of 150, there must have been more copies than that last night. I
didn't get one as I wasn't sure about the style of the music. What other
albums/soundtracks is it similar to ?
They were also selling Timesquare ( which I got, it's excellent ), Oasis,
Ambient Monkeys - which seems to be Jerome/Edgar versions of classical
pieces, Goblins Club, the version with Runway One Fort Worth, Tournado and
the Keep.
The Keep came in a black card fold open sleeve around a cd case. In the
fold open part was a two page cd leaflet.
- I wish I had bought it now !
np Timesquare
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Date: Sun Nov 2, 1997 6:40
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Subject: Glasgow Concert
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Really-From: 'Gerry Fox'
There is not many people commenting on the concerts this week, so for those
going to any of the rest of the shows - Enjoy !
The first set was mainly older material and was superb. The highlights of
that set was Startosfear and , I think Beach Theme from Thief - or Beach
Scene. Whatever it ended the first set on a real high.
The second set was more modern. I am not great at identifying tracks,
others are better than me at that and I'm sure a full set list will appear,
but I am sure there was some Melrose material at the start of the set
moving, into more Dream Mixed material.
The whole concert was for me much more satisfying than the last time I saw
them in Edinburgh some 6 or 7 years ago.
It struck me today as I listened to some CD's and LP's at home that the
concert and the new Timesquare material was very similar to the FRosese,
Franke Schmoelling era. The familar sequencer patterns and drum rhythms -
real or sampled - reminded me very much of that time.
If this is Jerome's influence in shaping the future of the band then keep
it up! It blends the old and the new, certainly to my satisfaction.
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Subject: Ambient Monkey - Details
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Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182
I haven't had a chance to listen to this at all, so I can only give the track
listing and associated info. This is presented in standard Jewel case with a
rather plain cover showing a photo of something, presumably through a fish-eye
lens.
Intrigueingly, at the bottom of the front cover, it reads
'Dream folder #1 at Crimson's train lodge 'Myopia world''
I have not idea what this means, but given that one of the tracks is called
'Myopia world' I assume there is some connection.
Anyway, I'll levae you with these details :
Tangerine Dream
ambient monkeys
1. Token from birdland (E. Froese/J. Froese)
2. Symphony in a-minor (J.S. Bach)
3. The seventh propeller of silence (E. Froese/J. Froese)
4. Calyx Calamander (E. Froese/J. Froese)
5. Largo (G.F. Handel)
6. Riddle of the monkey tribe) (E. Froese/J. Froese)
7. Moon marble (E. Froese/J. Froese)
8. Concerto in a-minor, adagio (W.A. Mozart)
9. Lemon vendor Khaly (E. Froese/J. Froese)
10.Campera de Mon Glyan (E. Froese/J. Froese)
11.Virtue is its own reward (E. Froese/J. Froese)
12.Pantha rhei (E. Froese/J. Froese)
13.Myopia world (E. Froese/J. Froese)
Produced by Edgar Froese
Composed, performed and engineered by Edgar and Jerome Froese
Excerpts from 'Largo' by Handel, a-minor symphony by Bach and Mozart's Concert
in a-minor are arranged and performed by Edgar Froese.
Recorded 1997 at Fujiwara studios. Mixed and mastered by Jerome Froese at
Eastgate studios, Vienna.
This production has originally been used as pre-concert ambient music during
parts of the Tangerine Dream European Tour 1997.
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Date: Sun Nov 2, 1997 11:36
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Subject: The Keep - details
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Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182
Okay, for all you Steven Feldman's out there, here is the low-down on THE KEEP.
Once again, TD has produced a wonderful package for this soundtrack. No jewel
case, but a cardboard-style casing which, in the inside cover, has a small
pocket containing the four-page 'booklet'.
Page one is a copy of the front-cover.
Page two is a copy of the back cover (see below).
Page three contains four four film stills around a glowing cross. The stills
depect (clockwise from top left) Jurgen Prochnow, Scott Glen (with glowing
white eyes), a woman (presumably Alberta Watson?) and a scene which appears to
show a blown-up truck or jeep? Afficianados of the film will be able to better
describe this, I'm sure.
Page four repeats the track listing, along with the 'film credits' (producer,
stars, etc.)
Interstingly, the bottom of this page states
'Copyright 1983 Paramount Pictures Corporation
Soundtrack production by Edgar Froese for TDI Music'
Behind the 'booklet' when it is removed is the cross emblem which appears
throughout the album - someone will know the name of this type of cross
probably, but it doesn't have the upper most part in full, instead it has an
arc so that the whole thing looks like a capital 'T' with a hump at the top.
The cross is filled with a mixture of colours (green and blue to the fore) in a
marble-print type effect.
The front of the packaging says
'The Keep' in the same marbled effect
'Original Motion Picture Soundtrack'
the cross centred on the cover
'By Tangerine Dream'
'TDI Music Special Edition'
all on a black background.
The whole CD case fits inside a plain black 'wallet' whic has an oval 'window'
which only allows the cross to be seen. A striking image, IMO.
I'll leave with the information which is printed on the back cover. Hope this
satisfies your curiosity, Steve. If you have any other qauestions, chances are
I (or anyone else) won't be able to answer them since I think I've given you
everything that's on the CD. Comments on the music itself later.
The Keep
Original Motion Picture Soundtrack
Produced by Edgar Froese
1. Puer natus est nobis (Gloria theme)****
2. Ancient powerplant*
3. The silver seal**
4. Voices from a common land***
5. Arx allemand*
6. The night in Romania*
7. Canzone**
8. Sign in the dark*
9. Weird Village**
10.Love and destiny**
11.The challenger's arrival*
12.Supernatural accomplice*
13.Parallel worlds**
14.Truth and fiction*
15.Wardays sunrise*
16.Heritage survival***
Composed by : *E. Froese, **E.Froese and J.Scmoelling, *** Froese, Schmoelling,
Franke ****Thomas Tallis 1505-1585, Arr. by E.Froese
Recorded February 1983 at the Tangerine Dream Studios Berlin
Engineered (partly or in whole) by E.Froese, J.Scmoelling, C.Franke
All Guitars, Vocoder voices, Keyboards : Edgar Froese
Additional Keyboards and Drum computer:Johannes Schmoelling
Additional Keyboards : Chris Franke
Music Supervisor and Editor : Bob Badamy
Executive Producer:Michael Mann
Mastered on DQC(TM) for official release first time 1997 by Jerome Froese at
Eastgate Studios Vienna
This soundtrack is the first and only authorized release of the complete music
material from the movie.
Tangerine Dream Exclusive Management
Tadream Production, P.O. BOX 303340, 10728 Berlin, Germany
Phone : +49-30-211 46 88 Fax : +49-30-213 65 90
Please visit the official Tangerine Dream
homepage:http://www.netstore.de/tadream/
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Date: Sun Nov 2, 1997 12:45
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Subject: Glasgow - Concert Report
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Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182
WARNING - This post contains details of the music presented during the
Tangerine Dream concert at Glasgow Royal Concert Hall on Saturday 1st November
1997. People not wishing to have their own concert compomised by knowing tracks
played, etc. should not read this post (yet).
BEFORE :
Myself, Grant Middleton and a friend (Bill Henderson - a TD-Virgin) left
Dunfermline at around 15-00 and reached Glasgow around 16-00. We made a
bee-line for the 'Victoria and Albert' pub, where we hoped to meet up with some
fellow-listers. This took us past the concert hall where the lorries and buses
were parked out front. Surprisingly there were no posters for the show around
the hall.
Having consumed relatively small amounts of beer and food in the pub, we
eventaully met up with Conrad Gibbons and his friends (Mark and Sean, I think).
Conrad had already been at the stage door, where he'd seen Ed and Jerome
arrive.
Conrad also provided us with the most important information of the night - the
show was starting at 19-30, the time on the tickets was not 'doors open' time
but 'show start' time. Thank god for Conrad.
MERCHANDISE :
First stop upon arriving at the hall was, of course, to the merchandise stall.
There I picked up 'The Keep', 'Ambient Monkeys' and 'TimeSquare (Dream Mixes
II)' as well as a t-shirt (nothing too spectacular - plain black with large
blue TDI logo print on front). I passed on the Australian version of 'Goblins
Club' and the American version of 'Oasis'. I also passed on the posters
available (Turn of the Tides and Tournado) - I'm not a poster man and I'd
already spent all my cash!
PRE-SHOW :
We had good seats, six rows back from the stage, and only a few seats left of
centre. It was only just before 19-30, and there were lots of empty seats. As
the concert started and went on, obviously a number of people also thought that
the doors were opening at that time, because there were a lot of late-comers,
some (in front of us) not even getting in until about three-quarters through
the first set.
MID-SHOW :
At the mid-show interval, Armin coame over for a chat. We also tried to spot
Dave Hughes, who was supposed to be going, but weren't really sure what he
looked like. It looked by this stage as though the whole of the (previously
half-empty) ground floor was full. There were only a few on the upper lever,
and the top level was closed. Can't estimate numbers, I'm afraid.
POST-SHOW :
After the show, Grant, Bill and I headed round to the stage door and waited for
a while. Conrad and his mates managed to get in and see the band, as did Peter
Stoeferle (sorry if that's spelled wrong) who we chatted with afterwards. Ed
and co appeared an hour or so after the end of the show. I got my 'Ambient
Monkey' signed by Ed, Jerome and Emil (Zlatko moves pretty quickly, you know),
and Grant got Ed to sign Rubycon, and Jerome to sign Epsilon.
After that, we headed off home, happy that I had met and very briefly spoken to
a man who has had such an effect on my life.
THE SHOW :
When the music started, the thin white screen covering the stage was still in
place, and the back-lighting alternately showed images, shaped and silhouettes
of the band. When the screen drew back finally (and once the roadies had
unsnagged the curtains from a couple of sets of lights) we saw them :
Emil Hachfeld on the left, surrounded by a collection of drum pads and symbols
Ed, sligtly further back into the stage, with a two keyboard setup next to a
large computer thing (gearhead, I am not!)
Jerome, as far back as his dad and sporting a similar setup to my ignorant
eyes,
Zlatko Perica on the right and forward again, just standing with his guitar
They opened with Waterborne, which meant that all four 'participated' in the
music (sort of, you know what I mean). In many tracks, I felt sorry for Zlatko
who just sort of stood there and moved around, pretending to twiddle his
strings whilst the show went on around him. Emil was far better integrated,
with him being able to improvise around any music that was playing, without
'taking over'. I thought Emil was excellent and hadn't appreciated just how
much he adds to the music with small snatches of effects here and there.
After Waterborne, they went into Betrayal, and I steeled myself for the usual
Betrayal/Diamond Diary/Love on a Real Train medley they seem so fond of. But
know! First shock of the night, no Diamond Diary, and straight into something
from Poland (don't ask, I'm terrible at names). It soudned like something from
the main pieces, rather than rarebird or Polish Dance, but I might be wrong.
There, my memory goes a bit hazy. I'm looking at a listing of the tracks played
at Amsterdam earlier in the year, and from that I can tell you what they played
and what they didn't. They returned to that list by playing Sundance Kid (I
think, something from 220Volt, anyway) with Zlatko getting back in the action.
Silver Scale was next up, but I think (IMO) they went a bit over-the-top with
the overlayed 'extras', often drowning out the original sounds. A return to
Poland was next, with Warsaw in the Sun.
I don't think they played Exit, but I may be wrong. The definitely did play
Stratosfear 1995, and with the reaction it got from the crowd it's not
surprising that this seems to be one of the constants in their tour nowadays.
It was the first time that I think the crowd really reacted, and it probably
got the loudest cheer of the night.
They moved into Dolphin Dance, didn't play Logos (I don't think), played good
old Streethawk and then the surprise 'bonus track' - Beach Theme/Scene. That
really went down a storm too, although Zlatko perhaps should have stuck closer
to the original solo. However, it was great to hear this classic 'live', and it
was a great closer to the first set.
The second set was probably pretty much as per Tournado (I say probably because
I don't have that CD), and I've lost track with most of the track names these
days. Yes, they played Touchwood (yet again), Little Blond ... and a couple of
tracks from Goblins Club. They also played a track which no-one I spoke to had
heard before and, despite listening to the last track on Dream mixes II right
now, I still don't know what it was. Quite laid back with an underpinning beat,
it was both a surprise and a great piece of music.
Needless-to-say, the band left the stage to great applause and cheers, and so
returned to do three encores : Maedchen on the stairs, Thief Yang and the
Tangram Seal and then Towards the Evening Star. I though this was actually a
strange choice for the encore, but it seemed to go down well.
CONCLUSION :
All in all, this was a great night out. Of course the music was excellent, and
the computer generated images which accompanied (nay, took centre stage in some
places) the music were excellent. It's difficult to compare with previous
concerts, given that I've only been to two before (1990 and 1996, each of which
were special fortheir own reasons), but I get the feeling that the concert hung
together better as a whole. The contribution of Linda wasn't missed at all, and
there were no jarring interjections of sax at any point so there was a sort of
flow to the music through the sets.
Given that Edgar has apparently said he's handing the band over to Jerome in
2000, I wonder if we'll see him on these shores again?
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Subject: One Coma Virus Release, or Two?
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Hi,
Paging through Scott Plumer's MYSTERIOUS SEMBLANCE book the other
day, looking for any mention of the second and third releases of Chris
Franke's KLEMANIA (nope, it aint' there), I came across a 1997 entry
for an album by Coma Virus named 'De Umbris Idearum,' on a label called
Side Effects. I thought that the only Coma Virus release was HIDDEN,
from 1996. Can the following two items be one and the same or are they
two different releases???
1996 HIDDEN
1997 DE UMBRIS IDEARUM (on the Side Effects label)
-- Steven Feldman
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