>There is a 5'x5' colour photograph of Chris Franke (!), dated around >1973 >judging by his equipment, with the caption: >'Dream on: Chris Franke joined Tangerine Dream in time for the group >to be banned from Catholic buildings by the Pope' > >======================================================================== > >I know that John Peel has been broadcasting popular, progressive and >rock music on the BBC since the 60's, and is still doing so today. > >I remember hearing 'Movements of a Visionary' for the very first time >on his Radio 1 Show 'Sounds of the 70s'. I had heard them before, but >didn't really like their seemingly unconnected electronic sounds at >the time. > >I think from that moment on, I was hooked ... > >Steve. > > Thanks for posting this to the list, Steve. I was going to do it too, but you've beaten me to it For the benefit of those who don't have access to 'The Sunday Times', their '1000 Makers of Music' was a supplement in 6 weekly parts. The newspaper 'invited its panel of experts to choose the 1000 people most responsible for the way music sounds today'. This was split between 500 classical and 500 popular ('embracing show business as well as rock and jazz'). To quote the introduction: 'We started by asking: Who are the musical figures who have done most to enrich western civilisation? Who are the movers who force the pace?' The fact that TD made it into this selection proves their influence. Of course, we on the TD mailing-list knew this all along :-) Other figures in the world of electronic music to appear in the 1000 were Kraftwerk and Dr Robert Moog. Neither Jean-Michel Jarre nor Vangelis were included -- Simon W. Hood Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8463 Re: 'The Sunday Times 1000 Makers of Music' CMOSLover Thu 11/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 4, 1997 11:32 pm Subject: Re: Glasgow - Concert Report ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Simon W. Hood' Craig Cordrey wrote: >We had good seats, six rows back from the stage, and only a few seats left of >centre. My friend from Dundee and I were in the *seventh* row back from the stage, also left of centre. You must have been sitting just in front of us. I've never been as close as this to TD at a concert. You could see everything they were playing (or not playing, as was the case for a large amount of the time). For instance, there was a minute or two during the first set when you could see Edgar very obviously glancing at his monitor again and again. It seemed to me that whatever was in his machine was 'driving' him, rather than the other way around. >Silver Scale was next up, but I think (IMO) they went a bit over-the-top with >the overlayed 'extras', often drowning out the original sounds. It was disappointing they didn't play more of it. They spent a great deal of time building it up excellently, then just when I thought they were going to 'let rip', they faded it down into another bridge section. What a tease. >They moved into Dolphin Dance, didn't play Logos (I don't think), played good >old Streethawk and then the surprise 'bonus track' - Beach Theme/Scene. That >really went down a storm too, although Zlatko perhaps should have stuck closer >to the original solo. However, it was great to hear this classic 'live', and it >was a great closer to the first set. I agree, but Edgar should have played this. >The second set was probably pretty much as per Tournado (I say probably because >I don't have that CD), and I've lost track with most of the track names these >days. Yes, they played Touchwood (yet again), Little Blond ... and a couple of >tracks from Goblins Club. They also played a track which no-one I spoke to had >heard before and, despite listening to the last track on Dream mixes II right >now, I still don't know what it was. Quite laid back with an underpinning beat, >it was both a surprise and a great piece of music. > With the exception of the two pieces from the 'Dream Mixes', I was a bit bored during the second set because of Zlatko's endless guitar parts. This was also how I felt at the 1990 Edinburgh concert with Linda Spa's endless saxophone parts. How I wish they'd go back to using keyboards only (and *Edgar's* guitar). >Needless-to-say, the band left the stage to great applause and cheers, and so >returned to do three encores : Maedchen on the stairs, Thief Yang and the >Tangram Seal and then Towards the Evening Star. I though this was actually a >strange choice for the encore, but it seemed to go down well. > Towards the Evening Star was crystal sharp in sound quality, I thought. >CONCLUSION : >All in all, this was a great night out. Of course the music was excellent, and >the computer generated images which accompanied (nay, took centre stage in some >places) the music were excellent. Agreed -- Simon W. Hood Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8461 Re: Glasgow - Concert Report Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 11/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 6, 1996 11:31 pm Subject: TD live video 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'van hove' Hi Folks, I have two videos from TD for sale. I have the livevideo recordings from Sheperd Bush 1996 and the live video from Bonn(Germany)1997. These are full concerts: 120 minutes and in digital sound and vision quality. The price for these limited items are 15 GBP each, this includes post and package, aithin the next 5 days delieverd at your adress in Europe. If you are interested, send cash money to p o box 82 2950 Kapellen Belgium or call me mobile 00 32 75 900 553 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8465 TD live video 1997 John Von Pey Thu 11/6/1997 3 KB 8473 Re: TD live video 1997 Plumer, Scott Thu 11/6/1997 2 KB 8506 Re: TD live video 1997 van hove Sat 11/9/1996 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 3:17 am Subject: Paul Haslinger...HUH?!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >Paul has been doing alot besides Future Primitive...where have you been? >Check out his webpage.... GOLLYGOSHWOW! I completely forgot about his work with Lightwave and his post-FUTURE PRIMITIVE release WWR... I forgot about them because they were so, er, ah, forgettable. They just sorta came and went. WHOOOOOSH! Dig? Paul needs to put out something I FEEL like shelling out fifteen bucks for. E-Man P.S. DON'T take this so personally, people!!! If you loved these albums, then keep right on LOVING them! Don't paste my note onto your post and bitch and moan becuz I don't like Lightwave or WWR. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8445 Re: Paul Haslinger...HUH?!?! Dave Brewer Thu 11/6/1997 3 KB 8452 Re: Paul Haslinger...HUH?!?! matt knudson Thu 11/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 12:38 pm Subject: TD: Which Sound? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >>> Yep, I'm with you on this one, Gabe!!! Nobody but NOBODY,....!!! >>You could even put the same guitar and setup in Zlatko's hands, and it wouldn't be the same. Yep, you can say that, again! I'm a Pepper, you're a Pepper... >>> As to the synth parts, it could sound quite passable with the lead synth >>> sound replaced by the 'Private-era harpsichord', >> >> You've gotta be kidding, Gabe, I am sick to death of that sound, and it >> should never be used as a lead again!!! My buddy Dan has that sound on his >> DX7 II-FD (called 'stratotro' on his synthbank) and we both think that >> Edgar far more than OD'ed on that patch...AND we'll never use that voice in >> a composition thanks to ED!!!! Ed better whip his out Prophet and Jupiter >> synth-samples if he's ever to look for a replacement >FOR THE PURPOSE, I think the sound would fit well in 'Beach Theme', at >least to give it a more modern-TD feel. In fact, I could almost consider >the lead sound actually used on 'BT' an ancestor of that Stratotro patch. >With time and attention, I think a pretty good Sun Gate-like arrangement of >'Beach Theme' could be done well. (but not by MIDI-illiterate me) >> E-Man >Gabe Yeeech, Gabe!!! Dude, you better cancel your subscription to MAD magazine!!!! An you say? If that part isn't going to be played with a voice which has a root in a saw wave OR square wave, then I'd even rather hear it played with a Hammond Organ patch!!! 'Beach Scene' is a classic example of electronic ROCK, and is just too new agey a sound to substitute it!! Heresy!! Blasphemy!!! Case Closed! *sound of hammer upon gavel* E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 12:52 pm Subject: TD: Musicianship ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >Hyperborea, Pergamon and Underwater Sunlight. >These three albums are so wonderful compiled and every song fits into the >right place. I even like to call them 'concept-albums'. That they are, brother. What dey are, dey are... >Also the band does not fall into repetitions of previous albums, even when new >members have arrived. I mean, Pergamon is totally different to Force Majeure, and >that is also with Hyperborea/White Eagle and Le Parc/Underwater Sunlight. Yep, keep holding the hammer just like that... >Maybe I'm not far from the truth, when I say that the creativity in the >music of Tangerine Dream nowadays could only be 'saved' by either >Schmoelling or Haslinger. They had a massive influence on Edgar (and Chris >also) and Edgar mentions this in the booklet from the Poland-remaster, so he >certainly was happy with those years. That's why I wrote what I wrote! You see, people, I'm not bagging on Edgar Van Halen, er, Froese, he's a monster in his own right. With Chris, you had two of these monsters making music. (Baumann's cool, he was there, too...) But when you had Schmoelling, followed by Haslinger, you had THREE monsters in the same cave, learning the concept of fire over and over again! *ooga booga* Since the trio-motif is now non-extant, TD's suffered. The last CD that pumped my nads (*Oasis* since then, though, I dig it, and ToB was good) when I first heard it was *Rockoon*--unfortunately it doesn't maintain its creative momentum all the way through. 'Big City Dwarves'--quite a different tune from what I expected them to do-- is such a great fix, but 'Girls..' and that penguin song are on there, too. If Ed is really going to hang it up in 2000, then he just is. If Jerome really wants to kick things into high gear (although I feel some things should just END while they're still halfway good) as the new Tang Overlord, he should get TWO more synthesists, one who hopefully plays some other instruments to spice things up...that way, you might have three egos colliding with each other, but they're composing great music. Speaking of egos, did I ever mention that Dan and I are always yelling at each other: 'Turn it down, man! I can't hear myself play!' >By the way, Paul Haslinger performed a wonderful '1988 Tour like' piano solo >last year at the KLEMdag in Holland during his performance and after that he >played Dolphin Dance, Alchemy of the Heart and Canyon Voices incorporated in >a medley. The power-failure that occurred during this concert was >fortunately not during these songs !! Hey, buddy, ol' pal, chum,...if you've got a tape of that, you can be my new best friend. Just take a number...(hee hee) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 12:57 pm Subject: Paul Haslinger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >Elias, >I have forwarded your very complimentary email onto Mr. Haslinger, so you >never know, you _may_ even get an email back from him.... >Regards >Alistair Hull Thanks! Could you inform me about Coma Virus? That's Paul's current project, right? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Snap Judgments re Haslinger Product ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman FUTURE PRIMITIVE is rather good, despite its genre (world music). WORLD WITHOUT RULES is hyperactive, coarse, and too 'ethnic' for its own good. Lightwave's TYCHO BRAHE, despite moments of distant dissonance, is rather lovely and entrancing in a dark sort of way. Lightwave's MUNDUS SUBTERRANEUS is a masturbatory celebration of musique concrete to the detriment of making any sort of pleasing music. -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 1:57 am Subject: Re: Paul Haslinger...HUH?!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > P.S. DON'T take this so personally, people!!! If you loved these albums, > then keep right on LOVING them! Don't paste my note onto your post and > bitch and moan becuz I don't like Lightwave or WWR. > :-) I don't take any opinions here personally; they're just as viable as mine, even when they don't agree. Anyway, I enjoy differences of opinion- they're more educating and interesting than if everyone agreed on everything. Now, my point. I do like FP and WWR, and hearing both of these, I never would have thought that anyone would like one, but not the other. I know, I don't know anything! I do like Lightwave's Tyco Brahe sometimes, but I can understand someone not being into that one. It's more or less a contemporary-styled Zeit. I still have yet to hear Coma Virus, but it sounds interesting. (ditto for the Planetary Traveller video) Dave B. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 2:42 am Subject: Re: I dreamed a dream / what can it mean? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >How does the above fit? :-) If it does, you owe me 4 boots; if it >doesn't, it is a joke. -- if it doesn't, do you owe me 4 boots? lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8451 Re: I dreamed a dream / what can it mean? Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 11/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 2:41 am Subject: Oasis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Rich Maggio I just picked this CD up tonight. I can sum up my feelings for it in one word - awesome! I recall many of you had similar feelings for this CD when it was first available at TD concerts over the summer. I agree with you all whole heartedly! :-D This is the most refreshing thing I have heard from TD in many years! This is NOT at all what I expected. I was expecting something that would be about as exciting as Canyon Dreams (meaning, not very exciting at all! :-). The sounds are new - it doesn't sound like a rehash of the last 2 or 3 CDs that they have made. OK, the songs are not the 20 min. epics that we all love, but they are long enough to develop into more than just a repetitive melody. The songs, though they go together to form an album, are all different. The music is not very slow, but it is not overly 'Jeromicized' either - it has a bit of a beat to it without the beat taking over the music entirely. Is it me, or does this CD sound more like an EF CD than TD. This CD puts me in mind of the first time that I listened to Beyond the Storm for the first time. Now, if I could only get my hands on tournado. Does anyone have any idea what is up with the North American distribution of that CD? I have had it on order at my local CD shop for 3 weeks and they still haven't gotten it. Rich Maggio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9135 Oasis neil vanlaten Fri 11/28/1997 3 KB 9149 Re: Oasis Francisco Salgado C. Sat 11/29/1997 3 KB 9162 Re: Oasis matt knudson Sat 11/29/1997 2 KB 9209 Re: Oasis John Von Pey Mon 12/1/1997 3 KB 9658 Oasis Michael Fox Fri 12/26/1997 2 KB 10044 Oasis Colin Knowles Thu 1/15/1998 3 KB 10049 Re: Oasis Florine Epure Wed 1/14/1998 6 KB 10065 Re: Oasis Colin Knowles Thu 1/15/1998 4 KB 10068 Re: Oasis Erik Sanborn Thu 1/15/1998 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 2:59 am Subject: The Manchester Concert - Yeeesss! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Hi Steve Did you catch these comments: >Obviously I can't remember what was said >verbatim, but here are my approximations of some of his answers: >Is it true that you will retire in 2000? >Yes. ;-( >On improvisation: >I have no interest in improvising any more. ;-( -- perhaps the saddest comment of all! >He confirmed that old unrleleased stuff will be released >via the TDI label because 'I've finally realised that there >are lots of people who want to hear it', but bemoaned the >fact that doing so will be hard work because of the sound >quality of some of those recordings. Presumably he's >referring to the remastering effort required. -- see, ya see, it will happen so save yer pennies (although admittedly it doesn't sound like it's going to happen very soon!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 2:59 am Subject: The Manchester Concert - Yeeesss! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I know people are going to jump all over Glynn's wonderful account of his experiences but I just wanted to say one thing: >On improvisation: >I have no interest in improvising any more. -- this brings a certain sense of sadness into my heart ;-( lars (no, i'm not bitching about old v.new TD, this is a completely different issue) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: THE KEEP Discography (all 3 + Fantasy Merchants) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Okay, Below are the track names and running times of the Blue Moon boot, the CD-R, the six covers by the Fantasy Merchants, and the official CD of THE KEEP. Barring the original 1984 album, this is what we've got: (One question: the person quoted below who listed the particulars from the Blue Moon boot says that there was a booklet in the CD that had pics of Michael Mann & Edgar Froese on the set of film. I don't recall my copy of the CD having any such pictures.) -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | THE BLUE MOON BOOTLEG CD FROM 1995: | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + Subject: Re: Bootlegged Dreams Update #16 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 22:14:58 -0500 (CDT) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Really-From: 'Karl W. Reinsch' Tangerine Dream - The Keep Blue Moon Records BM-12/BMCD12 Total running time: 66:40 1. Dinu Pass (3:07) 2. The Keep (Main Title) (4:05) 3. The Black Soldiers (5:14) 4. Deadly Silver Crosses (6:31) 5. Brothers In Death (8:07) 6. Evil Healing (3:51) 7. Glaeken's Quest (4:38) 8. The Evil From Within (4:47) 9. The Black Soldiers (1st Mix) (8:57) 10. Gloria (3:05) 11. Romanian Road (2:52) 12. Fisherman's Morning (3:20) 13. Sailing Mission (3:00) 14. The Keep 'Mid Theme' (Remix) (1:50) 15. The Keep 'End Theme' (Remix) (2:22) Tracks 1-9: Studio master tape, 10-13 German radio broadcast, 14-15 remixes from rare bootleg CD '70/90'. Quality is ok, not superb by any means. Track 5 should be familiar to owners of 'Logos' - it is 8 minutes of that little snippet we bought 'Logos' for! The simple booklet contains a few photos including Michael Mann & Edgar Froese on the set of the film. + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | THE BOOTLEG CD-R FROM 1995: | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + Subject: Re: Boolegged Dreams Update #16 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 20:56:00 GMT Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >What is the difference between the 'regular' KEEP and the CD-R. I've >heard the regular one (the sound is not too bad, really), but I've seen >that the listing for the CD-R, titled 'The Complete Works of THE KEEP', >is about 75 minutes. The regular one is about 65-66 minutes. Do you >have exact track listings? Sure, but as the track titles are made up by the producers this may not be as much help as you expect. They are both based on three principal sources : four tracks that Edgar gave to WDR for radio airplay (those have his 'official' titles, #14-17 below), a tape of the rough studio mixes (#1- 13 on the CD-R) for the soundtrack, and the film itself. The track listing of the CD-R is : 1.Sailing Mission 3:52 2.Reign of terror 5:20 3.Dinu pass I 3:02 4.Dinu pass II 4:08 5.Mighty Castle 8:15 6.Leave taking 1:22 7.Crossing saver 4:02 8.Gloria 1:42 9.Denounce 3:45 10.Terrible 5:42 11.Fisherman's morning 6:44 12.Glow in the dark 8:20 13.The Keep theme 3:57 14.Sailing Mission 3:05 15.Gloria 3:06 16.Fisherman's morning 3:20 17.Romanian Road 2:52 By the way - whoever compiled a list of song titles on TD bootlegs - please contact me, we could throw our files together for the definitive TD-bootlegography... -klaus- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | THE KEEP BY THE FANTASY MERCHANTS CD FROM 1995: | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + THE KEEP: The Film Music of Tangerine Dream, performed by the Fantasy Merchants TSUNAMI TC1 0616 1st Floor - A First Floor Project (p) & (c) 1995 by First Floor AG THE KEEP: 1. The Keep - Main Title* 4:47 2. Glacken's Quest 4:25 3. Brothers in Death 8:15 4. Fisherman's Morning 3:37 5. Evil Healing 4:54 6. Gloria* 3:15 (Froese/Franke/Schmoelling) Publisher: Warner/Chappell FIRESTARTER: 7. Crystal Voice 3:15 8. Burning Force 4:28 Publisher: MCS Music Ltd. THE HEARTBREAKERS: 9. The Heartbreakers 2:34 10. Twilight Painter 4:15 (Froese/Franke/Schmoelling) Publisher: TADREAM Music Publishing NEAR DARK: 11. Caleb's Blues 3:09 Publisher: Silva Screen Music SORCERER: 12. Medley: Search/The Call/Grind/The Mountain Road 9:40 (Froese/Franke/Baumann) Publisher: Leeds Music Corp./Front Line Music Inc. RISKY BUSINESS: 13. Love on a Real Train 3:28 (Froese/Franke/Schmoelling) Publisher: Warner Bros. Music Ltd. All Music composed by Tangerine Dream Album produced by Thomas Karban Arranged and performed by Goetz Steeger and Gunther Laudahn *Sopran: Annette Kohler [with an umlaut over the 'o'] Mastered by Peter Harenberg .ham. + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | THE OFFICIAL THE KEEP CD FROM 1997: | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + The Keep Original Motion Picture Soundtrack Produced by Edgar Froese 1. Puer Natus est Nobis (Gloria theme)**** 3:09 2. Ancient Powerplant* 4:28 3. The Silver Seal** 3:07 4. Voices from a Common Land*** 4:06 5. Arx Allemand* 4:24 6. The Night in Romania* 3:15 7. Canzone** 2:51 8. Sign in the Dark* 4:19 9. Weird Village** 3:23 10. Love and Destiny** 3:31 11. The Challenger's Arrival* 4:32 12. Supernatural Accomplice* 4:07 13. Parallel Worlds** 4:29 14. Truth and Fiction* 2:52 15. Wardays Sunrise* 3:20 16. Heritage Survival*** 4:13 *Composed by E. Froese **Composed by E.Froese and J.Scmoelling ***Composed by Froese, Schmoelling, Franke ****Composed by Thomas Tallis 1505-1585, Arr. by E.Froese Recorded February 1983 at the Tangerine Dream Studios Berlin Engineered (partly or in whole) by E.Froese, J.Scmoelling, C.Franke All Guitars, Vocoder voices, Keyboards : Edgar Froese Additional Keyboards and Drum computer:Johannes Schmoelling Additional Keyboards : Chris Franke Music Supervisor and Editor : Bob Badamy Executive Producer:Michael Mann Mastered on DQC(TM) for official release first time 1997 by Jerome Froese at Eastgate Studios Vienna This soundtrack is the first and only authorized release of the complete music material from the movie. + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | THE ORIGINAL ALBUM OF THE KEEP FROM 1984: | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + ??? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8471 Re: THE KEEP Discography (all 3 + Fantasy Merchan Dave Lane Thu 11/6/1997 2 KB 8538 The Keep/Ambient Monkeys dn3 Sun 11/9/1997 4 KB 9128 Re: THE KEEP Discography (all 3 + Fantasy Merchan Francisco Salgado C. Thu 11/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 3:14 am Subject: Re: I dreamed a dream / what can it mean? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:42 PM 11/5/1997 -0500, Lars wrote: >-- if it doesn't, do you owe me 4 boots? >lars What boots? We have no stinkin' boots on this list! Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 5:07 pm Subject: Re: Paul Haslinger...HUH?!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) What about OCTAHEDRON? Don't forget that one. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 5:42 pm Subject: TD Musicanship ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >> >> I particularly think Johannes Schmoelling and Paul Haslinger--with their >> technical & classical proficiencies, are arguably the two best musically >> trained individuals TD ever integrated. >I agree that Paul and Johannes are the most proficient musicians to join >TD. But it almost looks like you attribute only technical ability to the >best musicians. I must disagree here if this is what you mean. I feel you >don't have to have years of training to be a good musician. Actually, I myself am somewhere in that zone between self-taught and technically-proficient (which I'm not very). Many of my fave recording artists are self-taught. I was just intersted to see who would debate me. Nope, I DO NOT only attribute technical ability, etc.,... >You need that training to be a good performer. You can play fast lines that dazzle >the ears without saying anything meaningful in the music. (I think some have >accused Zlatko of doing such things) Actually, that's what we're ALL bagging on Zlatko about; we miss Edgar's human, tasteful playing, such as David Gilmour vs. Yngwie Malmsteen (ugh! to the latter, I don't care how good he is) >To me, that means the musician knows his/her scales very well, but not much >else. Not to say that all fast playing is meaningless noodling; and not to say that >all slower, less technical playing is meaningful. Often, you can say more by saying >less, and often, etude-like melodies can be quite moving as well. I guess it >depends on who's playing. Absolutely. That's why I love Carlos Santana'a playing so much. His sense of timing and chord-splicing is what makes his fretwork so tasty!! >A good musician must also be able to interact well with the others in the >group. In high school, I was in a Jazz band, and in my senior year we had >two bass players. One was technically proficient, but usually stomped all >over the rest of the group (especially the soloist) with his playing, like >he was off in his own world. The other was self-taught, but came up with >lines that worked well with what was going on, and could adjust his playing >depending on who was soloing. Guess who I thought was the better bassist? >But that's a tangent. I guess I wanted to show where I was coming from. I agree! I was playing with another keyboardist and bassist and drummer in a garage, once, the year after high school. The bassist was heavily into jazz (he was also in jazz band, still in H.S.; the drummer was really into Rush (as was/am I), the other keysman was more into the industrial stuff (Skinny Puppy, Front 242), and my influences were prog & electronic, etc. So this one day, along comes this young guitarist to jam with us, and I'll I've gotta say is, 'Hi, Randy Rhoads! Nice to meetcha!' That damn punk was so loud and obtrusive to what we were trying to do, he (like a typical metal guitarist) was oblivious to our agitation!!!!! Not to mention so LOOUUUD!!! So I knw where you're coming from, Dave! This kid was only 16, and he could smoke, and if he hasn't burned out on something, maybe I'll even see hear him on the radio with some group! But to PLAY with him? No thanks,... >And if you (E-Man) *didn't* think that only technical skills made a >musician good, then I agree with you! :-) As you have read, not simply technical skills do a fine musician make, is what I say! I still emphasize, however, that the nuances that Johannes and Haslinger each brought with them hasn't been matched, and things haven't been as interesting to the degree, since, when they were around.! Cool discussion, man!! See ya!! E-Man Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8485 Re: TD Musicanship Dave Brewer Fri 11/7/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 5:57 pm Subject: Spotlight On Musicianship ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >I don't think we need Johannes or Paul back. I don't argue that they are >certainly talented individuals, and I enjoy their solo material too, but we all >know they'll never come back, and I starting to feel comfortable with that. If they did something as a guest for a few tracks or an album, would be nice, though, kinda like the Doobie Brothers reuniting... >The return of an old member would definitely knock Jerome (and Edgar) off their >current path, which would probably be a bad thing. >However, I still think they could do with that third mind to bounce more ideas >off. But a new (younger, i.e. Jerome's age, not Edgar's) guy (or gal), not one >of the old boys. Agreed. Someone of serious caliber, though. Has anyone heard Erik Norlander's debut CD, *Threshold*? STELLAR SHIT, DUDES! You all would definitely like it! His arsenal reads about as long as Mark Shreeve's if not longer! Analog Orgasmagog!! >Craig R. J. Cordrey E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 5:51 pm Subject: TD SEX WITH CHIX OST!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- >Really-From: Neal McAuley >My best experiences have been with 'Underwater Sunlight' and 'Pergamon'. Uuh, I hate to do this to all you TDers, but an ex-babe of mine & I bumped uglies 4 a really long time to Ozric Tentacles once. You know, you punch the 'REPEAT ALL' button... >I've lent these CD's to others and told them to get busy with their >significant others and they actually admit that I might have some shred >of musical taste (I'm usually pulling into work blaring something hard >rocking/metallic to wake me up) Same hear, er, here, dude! I need some CRUNCH in the morning!!! Like Eternity X, Fates Warning, Prong, good stuff like that! >Cheers, >Neal :-) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 6:25 pm Subject: Yet Another TDI Release ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' Another compilation (hoorays or groans?) rears its jewel case and cheesy photo-collage cover, this time from the shores of TDI itself: BIFROST: The tracklist: 1. Eyewitness News 5:11 2. Story of the Brave 5:17 3. Largo 4:12 4. Body Corporate 3:40 5. Turning Off The Wheel 6:11 Widow Maker Suite: (6-8) 6. Back To The Race 2:15 7. Racing Montage 3:40 8. Widow Maker/Widow Race 3:24 9. Alien Goodbye 3:07 10. The Blue Bridge (live) 3:47 11. Shy People 5:04 12. Funky Atlanta 4:00 13. The Conspiracy 5:54 14. Galley Slave's Horizon (Edit) 3:36 Alas, this too will have a limited run of 150 copies! You-Know-Who! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8460 Re: Yet Another TDI Release Jens Peschke Thu 11/6/1997 3 KB 8476 Re: Yet Another TDI Release DJS Thu 11/6/1997 4 KB 8480 Re: Yet Another TDI Release Plumer, Scott Thu 11/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 8:28 am Subject: Re: I dreamed a dream / what can it mean? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > >How does the above fit? :-) If it does, you owe me 4 boots; if it > >doesn't, it is a joke. > -- if it doesn't, do you owe me 4 boots? > lars I want Nike's...not boots. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 8:31 am Subject: Re: Best TD while having sex (WITH GIRLS!!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > In a message dated 97-11-05 10:36:20 EST, you write: > > << > >1. Hyperborea...man this baby flows...and it's looong heh heh > heh.Let's > >see...I think she...you know...5 times before this song > end....er....oh > >nevermind. > >> > > How about 'Wahn'? Just kidding. :) Heh heh...I'm afraid that would put her to sleep or make her believe she was stoned though she smoked nothing. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 8:27 am Subject: Re: Best TD while having sex (WITH GIRLS!!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > What are the BEST TD songs to listen to while making love to your girl > > (or hey...if yer into men..heh heh...GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!). > > What are ya..some kind of homophobe? You wouldn't come in here making > racial slurs, would you? Only if you were all nazi's heh. WHAT!?!? What do homos have to do with racism? Nothing! It was a joke...but I guess you are right. There is nothing funny about men boning men in the beeehind. Turn on your TV and watch some Southpark dude. Sorry if I offended thee..didn't realize you were a gay rights activist. Now get back to listening to Kenny G and relax. > > Anyway, I totally agree with the choice of Hyperborea. As for other > suggestions: > > - Love on a Real Train (what...no one has suggested this yet?) > - Song of the Whale > - Mothers of Rain > - Kiew Mission > - Charly the Kid > - Canyon Voices > - The third movement of 'Alchemy of the Heart' > - Bus Station > - Mount Shasta Hey, that's more than five! Just kidding dude...I can call ya dude right? Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8474 Re: Best TD while having sex (WITH GIRLS!!) Sean Montgomery Thu 11/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 7:55 am Subject: Re: Yet Another TDI Release ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > Another compilation (hoorays or groans?) rears its jewel case and cheesy > photo-collage cover, this time from the shores of TDI itself: > > BIFROST: > > The tracklist: > [...] > > Alas, this too will have a limited run of 150 copies! Me, me, me ;-) Don´t miss the forthcoming TDI016 CD 'The collected breaks'. This limited edition of only 666 copies will be available *only* at November, the 31st. It´ll include an extended 'Ambient duck-remix' of John Cages '4:33'. For further details call Dr. R., E-Man. Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 8:47 am Subject: Re: Glasgow - Concert Report ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: 'Simon W. Hood' > > >Craig Cordrey wrote: > >>We had good seats, six rows back from the stage, and only a few seats left of >>centre. > >My friend from Dundee and I were in the *seventh* row back from the >stage, also left of centre. You must have been sitting just in front of >us. > I was one of those irritating people whose bladder couldn't make it through the first set, and I had to nip to the toilet part way through the first set. I left at the end of Stratosfear and returned part way through Dolphin Dance (I think). I knew I shouldn't have had that last pint, but then I didn't expect the concert to start bang-on 7-30! ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 11:00 am Subject: Re: The Manchester Concert - Yeeesss! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: CMOSLover Hi all, > Some thoughts on last night's Manchester concert. > Yeaahhhh! This was a truly fabulous TD night, not Know what you mean! Last time I saw them (sorry I don't do the big follow them where ever they bit!) was arround '90 or '91 can't remember which (just after Melrose came out I think!). Last time was good (actually my first gig upon coming to uni!), Tuesday night was supreme. Excellent all round (wasn't as sold out as I would have liked..). Excellent lights, some amazingly bizarre genetic art computer graphics, and the best PA I've ever heard! Even with the bass extremes of 'Towards the Evening star' everything (cymbals, keyboards etc.) remained crystal clear even though we were only about 11-12 rows form front. BTW, anyone know how those percusion were miked?. I don't mean the drum pads, I mean cymbals etc.. As far as play list goes: they wondered abit from the one I was expecting, the one on the web site, but can't reaily say by how much. Not being an afficionardo of track names (I get as far as 'Oh this is the second or third track on 'Rockoon'), the onlt ones I immediately recnoginsed were 'Streehawk/Le Park', 'Beach Theme' and maybe on or two others but I can't remember. > version of 'Beach Theme', with Zlatko taking the guitar. Agreed that was the highlight of set 1. > The only musical downer came at the beginning of the > second half - the drum solo. Come on, fellas - drum solos Maybe its just me but I thought the drum solo was great. OK as a link it maybe wasn't the best idea ever, but it still worked (I seem to remeber most the other people in the Apollo agreeing!) > first time that I remember at a rock concert, it wasn't too > loud. I only spent about 15% of the whole show with True. Actually that's two gigs I've been to were the PA's volume has been alright (the other being Hawkwind). Its good to see. All in all, the best £14 I've spent for a while. Beat into submission the Jarre concert, and I may even have created a new fan (the guy I went with hadn't heard them before!). Colin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 11:05 am Subject: Re: 'The Sunday Times 1000 Makers of Music' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: CMOSLover Simon W. Hood wrote: > > The fact that TD made it into this selection proves their influence. But then again so did Bonzo Dog (Doo Dah) Band-not that I'm complaining. > Other figures in the world of electronic music to appear in the 1000 > were Kraftwerk and Dr Robert Moog. Neither Jean-Michel Jarre nor > Vangelis were included Not quite true. Vangelis wasn't but Jean-Michel got a one liner on the end of his father, Maurice. Colin Knowles From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 12:03 pm Subject: Oops ! (was : time square track in concert) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Armin Theissen > > > >Yeah, you're right, Armin - it's Mobocaster from DM II. I preferred > >the live version, as Zlatco's playing was (for once) very sensitive > >and sweetly melodic. The solo that he played is nowhere to be found > >on this studio track, though. > > > no, it wasn't 'Mobocaster', but 'Time Square' (last track on this CD). > > armin Oops ! You're right. Still, there is a definite similarity in feel between Mobocaster and Time Square, wouldn't you agree ? I'd say they put the rest of the CD to shame. I find 'Towards The Evening Star' in particular to be a bit weird, especially when they mix the opening 6/8 time rhythm with the 4/4 time opener of the original track. I'd still love to hear the track again, especially if Edgar looks out his axe for it. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Grant Middleton, Senior Software Engineer, Marconi Simulation, UK Phone: +44 (0)1383 - 828027 Fax: +44 (0)1383 - 824227 E-Mail: grant.middleton@g... Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9240/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8536 Re: Oops ! (was : time square track in concert) dn3 Sun 11/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: TD live video 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: scooter@m... (John Von Pey) Hello, -=> Quoting tadream@c... to John von Pey <=- ta> Hi Folks, ta> I have two videos from TD for sale. ta> I have the livevideo recordings from Sheperd Bush 1996 and the ta> live video from Bonn(Germany)1997. ta> These are full concerts: 120 minutes and in digital sound and vision ta> quality. ta> The price for these limited items are 15 GBP each, this includes ta> post and package, aithin the next 5 days delieverd at your adress in ta> Europe. ta> If you are interested, send cash money to I am interested in the Sheperd Bush 1996 concert. But I've got a few questions. 1. Are this fantapes (stupid question, I suppose yes) 2. Is there a cover around the tape or is it 'just' a tape in a blank box 3. Can I pay by Eurocheque, if yes, on which name can I write it? Tadream on, John From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 12:52 pm Subject: Why Do We Go To Concerts ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton After all the reports of the UK Tour and discussion about the 'liveness' (or otherwise) of the Froeses, I was wondering what it actually was that we hoped to gain from going to a TD (or any) concert instead of listening to the discs on your stereo. I've come up with a few reasons to go to gigs :- 1. You get to see your heroes in the flesh. 'Ohmygod ! That's the REAL Edgar up there !' This certainly applied to the UK Tour and, I guess, most gigs. Exceptions might be stadium gigs where you're half a mile away from the stage. 2. You might get to actually meet them and talk to them / get autographs, photos, etc. (Even if they ARE grumpy). This applied (in my case, at least). 3. The band might be technical wizards (tight as a gnat's chuff) and seeing them playing together is a transcendental experience. This IMO does NOT apply. The machines let TD realise the music they hear in their heads. I personally think that hearing them play 100% live would be disappointing. If you want to see some great musical performers, go and see Ozric Tentacles. 4. They put on a good multi-media show (lights, projections, lasers, dry ice, etc) I looked upon the show (before I went) as going to the cinema to see a movie about TD. It would be a pleasant audio/visual treat. For me, the more lights, lasers, slides, videos, etc. the better. Pink Floyd at Manchester 1988 was my fave show of all time. (Yes, Gabe, I DO go for the show, as well as the music. They're not mutually exclusive.) 5. The PA system lets you hear the music LOUD. I'm not a fan of music being so loud your ears are affected for days after. It mushes up the balance of individual instruments and could lead to permanent damage. At Glasgow, the sound level was PERFECT. Congratulations to the sound guys for not yielding to temptation. 6. You get to hear new interpretations of well-known pieces. Well, yes, they had new twists on old ideas. Personally speaking, I prefer note-perfect renditions of album tracks, but it's also nice to hear a re-work. 7. You get to see artists jamming and creating something new in real-time. No chance ! Every last microsecond was pre-mapped. To be honest, new material has to be catchy for it to work the first time you hear it. Choronzon was the only track I could recall after my first exposure. TD's later music generally requires a few listens before you see the depth in it, so what would be the point in pure improvisation ? 8. It's a social event where you get to meet members of the opposite sex. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. All in all, I enjoyed the show, precisely because I _wasn't_ expecting a return to the '70s. My senses were stimulated by the sights and sounds, my mind was kept active trying to spot old pieces when they started and spotting the differences as they were playing, and I got to meet The Man (and The Son, of course). A good night out, not a religious experience. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Grant Middleton, Senior Software Engineer, Marconi Simulation, UK Phone: +44 (0)1383 - 828027 Fax: +44 (0)1383 - 824227 E-Mail: grant.middleton@g... Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9240/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8468 Re: Why Do We Go To Concerts ??? CMOSLover Thu 11/6/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 5, 1997 7:39 pm Subject: RE: Best TD while having sex (WITH GIRLS!!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> >1. Hyperborea...man this baby flows...and it's looong heh heh >> heh.Let's >> >see...I think she...you know...5 times before this song >> end....er....oh >> >nevermind. > >> I was always partial to 'Dr. Destructo.' :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) >> :-) :-) >> >> Scott >Heh heh. Well, that's good for a lunch time quickie. So how did your >babe respond to music originally intended to be play while watching >James Caan blow up cars and buildings?? She suffered the 'little death.' :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 2:35 pm Subject: Re: Why Do We Go To Concerts ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: CMOSLover Grant Middleton wrote: > (or otherwise) of the Froeses, I was wondering what it actually was > that we hoped to gain from going to a TD (or any) concert instead of > listening to the discs on your stereo. Apart from an excuse to have half a day off work you mean? ;-) > 1. You get to see your heroes in the flesh. 'Ohmygod ! That's the > REAL Edgar up there !' Agree totally! Certainly applied to Jarre. Also Roger Taylor. > I looked upon the show (before I went) as going to the cinema > to see a movie about TD. It would be a pleasant audio/visual I thought the same with Jarre-but it wasn't. > treat. For me, the more lights, lasers, slides, videos, etc. > the better. Pink Floyd at Manchester 1988 was my fave show of Up to a point. There's no point having zillions of fancy effects if you can't use them properly. > 5. The PA system lets you hear the music LOUD. > level was PERFECT. Congratulations to the sound guys for not Manchester was spot on too. > 6. You get to hear new interpretations of well-known pieces. > > Well, yes, they had new twists on old ideas. Personally speaking, > I prefer note-perfect renditions of album tracks, but it's also Me to! > 7. You get to see artists jamming and creating something new in > real-time. > > No chance ! Every last microsecond was pre-mapped. To be honest, > new material has to be catchy for it to work the first time you > hear it. Choronzon was the only track I could recall after my > first exposure. TD's later music generally requires a few listens I knew the first time I heard the intro to 'Catwaik' that 'Tyranny' was going to be a good album. Similarly with 'Toward the Evenging Star' and 'Goblins Club'. The rest of the album took a while granted. Not as bad as trying to listen to Oldfield's 'Amarok' the first couple of times! > 8. It's a social event where you get to meet members of the opposite No, thats singles bars isn't it? ;-) > a return to the '70s. My senses were stimulated by the sights and > sounds, my mind was kept active trying to spot old pieces when they A film quote springs to mind-'The lights, the sounds, all wrap arround. Spooky yet sublime' Colin Knowles aka CMOSLover (I hate the stuff actually!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 2:42 am Subject: Why go to a damn concert? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >Really-From: Grant Middleton >After all the reports of the UK Tour and discussion about the 'liveness' >(or otherwise) of the Froeses, I was wondering what it actually was >that we hoped to gain from going to a TD (or any) concert instead of >listening to the discs on your stereo. >I've come up with a few reasons to go to gigs :- >1. You get to see your heroes in the flesh. 'Ohmygod ! That's the REAL Edgar up there !' That's right, it's the Norseman himself! So I usher a quick prayer Odin and scream at the top of my lungs for them to play 'Songs From The Wood'! >This certainly applied to the UK Tour and, I guess, most gigs. Exceptions >might be stadium gigs where you're half a mile away from the stage. Sorry, I could barely see (they were the size of ants) when they played the Los Angeles Coliseum in 1988. >2. You might get to actually meet them and talk to them / get > autographs, photos, etc. (Even if they ARE grumpy). > This applied (in my case, at least). Once upon a time, I would have died for Edgar to sign my vinyl copy of ELECTRONIC MEDITATION (the one with the coffee cup ring and a corner chewed off by a rat/roach)...but, at the old age of 26, I could care less about photos, autographs, trinkets, etc. Except tee-shirts, love those. I always need clothing, anyway. HAHA! >3. The band might be technical wizards (tight as a gnat's chuff) > and seeing them playing together is a transcendental experience. No, their DAT player is the technical wizard, hee hee! >This IMO does NOT apply. The machines let TD realise the music they >hear in their heads. I personally think that hearing them play >100% live would be disappointing. I'd like to see/hear them attempt it though. Unless Jerome and Edgar are simply forgetting to play their lines after they've composed them, sequenced, recorded, mixed, etc, and then 'What?! Forgot how that one goes!' > If you want to see some great >musical performers, go and see Ozric Tentacles. I missed the Ozrics last time they played Los Angeles. Next time (if?) for sure! Just to hear 'Dots Thots' and 'White Rhino Tea' alone!!!!!!! >4. They put on a good multi-media show (lights, projections, lasers, > dry ice, etc) I loved being 'fogged to death' at Los Angeles's Wiltern Theater in 1992. 1988's San Diego gig was kickass, though. And we sat close, only seven rows back, I think. I was the only guy headbanging to 'Logos...' >5. The PA system lets you hear the music LOUD. That's right!!! >I'm not a fan of music being so loud your ears are affected for >days after. I am. I love the ringing in my ears for a whole day after seeing Rush perform. I listen to music EXTRA loud on my headphones to simulate that effect. HUH? WHAT'D YOU SAY? SPEAK UP! It mushes up the balance of individual instruments Only Rush seems to have a problem wih a bad mix for some reason. TD's music is pre-recorded, so it already sounds fine, so long as they don;t turn it up to '11' >6. You get to hear new interpretations of well-known pieces. Too few and far between... > Well, yes, they had new twists on old ideas. Personally speaking, >I prefer note-perfect renditions of album tracks, but it's also >nice to hear a re-work. However, if a band CAN re-create something LIVE note-for-note, they also have the power to alter material LIVE which is much more interesting. If TD were suddenly able to throw in (program them, hell!) some cool tempo changes and play different lines or ideas, suddenly, their fans would probably be overjoyed and impressed. Instead you get this: >7. You get to see artists jamming and creating something new in > real-time. > No chance ! Every last microsecond was pre-mapped. Yep!!!! Hee hee > It's a social event where you get to meet members of the opposite >sex. >ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. DOUBLE hahahahahahahahahahahaha >Grant Middleton E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 3:09 pm Subject: Re: OFFTOPIC: Star Trek Auction? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dave Lane' >Ack! Cough! Star Trek!? Ack! SPitooey! Babylon 5....Ack!! Wait, they >made a film about people who watch Star Trek and B5 religiously. Wasn't >little Robby Carradine in it? Uh... Wavelength? --Dave Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8492 Re: OFFTOPIC: Star Trek Auction? Robert Grabowsky Fri 11/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 3:26 pm Subject: Re: THE KEEP Discography (all 3 + Fantasy Merchants) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dave Lane' Steven Feldman wrote: > (One question: the person quoted below who listed the > particulars from the Blue Moon boot says that there was > a booklet in the CD that had pics of Michael Mann & Edgar > Froese on the set of film. I don't recall my copy of the > CD having any such pictures.) This is true of my copy. --Dave From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 3:53 am Subject: Best Songs For... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' BEST SONGS FOR---- WASHING YOUR ASS TO: Stratosfear NOT PAYING YOUR TELEPHONE BILL TO: Network 23 SHAVING TO: Scrap Yard PULLING WEEDS TO: Monolight (Yellow Part) WATCHING ASIA CARRERA MOVIES TO: (hey, turn off the music and watch! HAHA) WISHING EDGAR DIDN'T LOOK SO MUCH LIKE A VIKING TO: Ultima Thule, Pt. 1 WISHING JEROME DIDN'T LOOK SO MUCH LIKE ROSEANNE TO: Le Parc TAKING A DUMP TO: Exit WISHING LINDA PLAYED MANDOLIN TO: The Hunt (by Goblin, hee hee) BREAKING UP WITH YO' HO' TO: Alien Goodbye WISHING KLAUS SCHULZE WOULD FALL INTO A Vulcano AND STOP RELEA- SING MULTI-DISC BOX SETS AND MAKING A NICE LIVING OFF DISCI- PLES, er, FANS PROCREATING TO: Creation TAKING TYLENOL P.M. TO: Journey Through A Burning Brain WATCHING LINDA EVANS AND YANNI SHMOOZE IT UP IN TINSELTOWN: Body Corporate Additions welcome!!! egards, E-Man Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8481 Re: Best Songs For... TangerineC Thu 11/6/1997 3 KB 8490 Re: Best Songs For... DJS Fri 11/7/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 4:34 pm Subject: RE: TD live video 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I have two videos from TD for sale. >I have the livevideo recordings from Sheperd Bush 1996 and the >live video from Bonn(Germany)1997. >These are full concerts: 120 minutes and in digital sound and vision >quality. Any chance we could get NTSC copies on this side of the pond? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 6:06 pm Subject: Re: Best TD while having sex (WITH GIRLS!!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Hey, that's more than five! Just kidding dude...I can call ya dude > right? > > Dano How come I get this mental picture of Senn Penn from 'Fast Times at Ridgemount High' when I read this? Gnarly, man! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'A paranoiac is someone in possession of the facts' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 7:23 pm Subject: Re: Best TD while having sex (WITH GIRLS!!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jim & Alicia Enigma.... I saw that movie too (Exit to Eden) I much rather prefer Green Desert :) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8503 Re: Best TD while having sex (WITH GIRLS!!) Michael Fox Fri 11/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 8:25 pm Subject: Re: Yet Another TDI Release ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > Another compilation (hoorays or groans?) rears its jewel case and cheesy > photo-collage cover, this time from the shores of TDI itself: > > BIFROST: > > The tracklist: > > 1. Eyewitness News 5:11 > 2. Story of the Brave 5:17 > 3. Largo 4:12 > 4. Body Corporate 3:40 > 5. Turning Off The Wheel 6:11 > Widow Maker Suite: (6-8) > 6. Back To The Race 2:15 > 7. Racing Montage 3:40 > 8. Widow Maker/Widow > Race 3:24 > 9. Alien Goodbye 3:07 > 10. The Blue Bridge (live) 3:47 > 11. Shy People 5:04 > 12. Funky Atlanta 4:00 > 13. The Conspiracy 5:54 > 14. Galley Slave's > Horizon (Edit) 3:36 > > Alas, this too will have a limited run of 150 copies! > > You-Know-Who! I heard it was called 'The Beard Of Heimdall' instead of Bifrost. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 8:28 pm Subject: Re: OFFTOPIC: Star Trek Auction? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Dave Lane' > > >Ack! Cough! Star Trek!? Ack! SPitooey! Babylon 5....Ack!! Wait, they > >made a film about people who watch Star Trek and B5 religiously. Wasn't > >little Robby Carradine in it? > Uh... Wavelength? > > --Dave Heh, keeeeep guessing heh heh. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 8:38 pm Subject: Re: Best TD while having sex (WITH GIRLS!!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > Hey, that's more than five! Just kidding dude...I can call ya dude > > right? > > > > Dano > > How come I get this mental picture of Senn Penn from 'Fast Times at > Ridgemount High' when I read this? Gnarly, man! > I'll take that as a compliment. Heh heh heh. And while I'm here: 'If you're here and I'm here....doesn't that make it....OUR time?' heh heh heh. Gnarrrrrly! Dan Spicoli From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 7:49 pm Subject: The KEEP S/T, Ambient Monkeys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tdune Can anyone who is going to any of the upcoming TD shows pick me up a copy of The Keep and Ambient Monkeys. Please contact me off the list if anyone is willing to do it to discuss how to send payment. I am taking the chance that Dream Mixes II that will be released early next year will be the same as the one being sold at the shows but I can not afford to spend any more money at this time. Thanks in advance Marcelo G. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8499 London Concert (plus Re: The KEEP S/T, Ambient Mo Dr. Alan Stocker Fri 11/7/1997 4 KB 8526 Re: London Concert dn3 Sun 11/9/1997 3 KB 8553 Re: London Concert Paul Nagle Sun 11/9/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 8:20 pm Subject: RE: Yet Another TDI Release ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I heard it was called 'The Beard Of Heimdall' instead of Bifrost. So I guess Ed is a Norse warrior, eh? Maybe Jerome's real name is Jeromengandr. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 6, 1997 8:44 pm Subject: Re: Best Songs For... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC I got one! GUYS WHO MAKE LISTS LIKE THIS AND CRAP A LOT: Movements of a Visionary In a message dated 97-11-06 14:33:00 EST, you write: << BEST SONGS FOR---- WASHING YOUR ASS TO: Stratosfear NOT PAYING YOUR TELEPHONE BILL TO: Network 23 SHAVING TO: Scrap Yard PULLING WEEDS TO: Monolight (Yellow Part) WATCHING ASIA CARRERA MOVIES TO: (hey, turn off the music and watch! HAHA) WISHING EDGAR DIDN'T LOOK SO MUCH LIKE A VIKING TO: Ultima Thule, Pt. 1 WISHING JEROME DIDN'T LOOK SO MUCH LIKE ROSEANNE TO: Le Parc TAKING A DUMP TO: Exit WISHING LINDA PLAYED MANDOLIN TO: The Hunt (by Goblin, hee hee) BREAKING UP WITH YO' HO' TO: Alien Goodbye WISHING KLAUS SCHULZE WOULD FALL INTO A Vulcano AND STOP RELEA- SING MULTI-DISC BOX SETS AND MAKING A NICE LIVING OFF DISCI- PLES, er, FANS PROCREATING TO: Creation TAKING TYLENOL P.M. TO: Journey Through A Burning Brain WATCHING LINDA EVANS AND YANNI SHMOOZE IT UP IN TINSELTOWN: Body Corporate Additions welcome!!! egards, E-Man >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Best TD for Boffing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman I'm no fan of Klaus Schulze, for the most part, and yet, the long first track (30 mins), 'Nowhere--Now Here,' off the BODY LOVE II album (the one with the nudie cover), is really good for the horizontal hula. And yes, I suppose 'Green Desert' would be really good, too. In fact, the end portion of that track would be good for the afterglow. ;) -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: BIFROST, My Eye! :( ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Yet Another TDI Release >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:25:49 -0800 >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > >Another compilation (hoorays or groans?) rears its jewel case and cheesy >photo-collage cover, this time from the shores of TDI itself: > >BIFROST: This *has* to be a joke, because too many of the tracks are stinkers that should not have been committed to vinyl in the first place, let alone CD. >The tracklist: > >2. Story of the Brave 5:17 Okay, here's *one* good one. >4. Body Corporate 3:40 >5. Turning Off The Wheel 6:11 Hard to find two worse TD tracks. >Widow Maker Suite: (6-8) >6. Back To The Race 2:15 >7. Racing Montage 3:40 >8. Widow Maker/Widow > Race 3:24 What the heck? >10. The Blue Bridge (live) 3:47 Hee hee hee. This *has* to be a joke: 'The Blue Bridge' is what destroys the momentum of 'Backstreet Hero' before going into 'Hamlet.' >13. The Conspiracy 5:54 Okay, one *more* good one. >Alas, this too will have a limited run of 150 copies! Strictly for the completist only. This would be the worst TD comp since ORANGES DON'T DANCE. -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8484 Re: BIFROST, My Eye! :( ;) Greg Heil Fri 11/7/1997 4 KB 8487 220V Track order (Re: BIFROST, My Eye!) Dave Brewer Fri 11/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 12:57 am Subject: Re: BIFROST, My Eye! :( ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > >Subject: Yet Another TDI Release > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:25:49 -0800 > >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > >Another compilation (hoorays or groans?) rears its jewel case and cheesy > >photo-collage cover, this time from the shores of TDI itself: > > > >BIFROST: > > This *has* to be a joke, because too many of the tracks are stinkers > that should not have been committed to vinyl in the first place, let > alone CD. > > >The tracklist: > > > >2. Story of the Brave 5:17 > > Okay, here's *one* good one. > > >4. Body Corporate 3:40 > >5. Turning Off The Wheel 6:11 > > Hard to find two worse TD tracks. > > >Widow Maker Suite: (6-8) > >6. Back To The Race 2:15 > >7. Racing Montage 3:40 > >8. Widow Maker/Widow > > Race 3:24 > > What the heck? > > >10. The Blue Bridge (live) 3:47 > > Hee hee hee. This *has* to be a joke: 'The Blue Bridge' is what > destroys the momentum of 'Backstreet Hero' before going into 'Hamlet.' > > >13. The Conspiracy 5:54 > > Okay, one *more* good one. > > >Alas, this too will have a limited run of 150 copies! > > Strictly for the completist only. This would be the worst TD comp > since ORANGES DON'T DANCE. > > -- Steven Feldman Please don't tell me TD is going the rooute of Yanni and his million and one complilations! Greg From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 12:59 am Subject: Re: TD Musicanship ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > Actually, I myself am somewhere in that zone between self-taught and > technically-proficient (which I'm not very). Me too. I took one piano class, which I breezed thru, and am self-taught on the drums. (I heard that Jerome and Paul are both self-taught on percussion as well) We should jam sometime! :-) > Actually, that's what we're ALL bagging on Zlatko about; we miss Edgar's > human, tasteful playing, such as David Gilmour vs. Yngwie Malmsteen (ugh! > to the latter, I don't care how good he is) I don't think Zlatko was ever as bad as Ingvay or Yingwee or however you say his name. But at the same time, I think he's been getting more tasteful as the years go by. [...] > I agree! I was playing with another keyboardist and bassist and drummer in > a garage, once, the year after high school. The bassist was heavily into [...] I hear ya, dude! > > As you have read, not simply technical skills do a fine musician make, is > what I say! Hear, hear! > I still emphasize, however, that the nuances that Johannes and Haslinger > each brought with them hasn't been matched, and things haven't been > as interesting to the degree, since, when they were around.! I think I agree with you on that. But nobody better say it's only because they had training! :-) They also had much practical experience before joining the group. Dave Beeeeeeeeeeee! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 1:33 am Subject: Orange Nightmare! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer Here's a new release from Virgin I've heard about: A new album by Orange Nightmare (a collaboration between Chris Franke, Peter Baumann, Johannes Schmoelling and Paul Haslinger; and featuring Steve Jolliffe, Steve Schroyder, Connie Schnitzler, Klaus Krueger, Klaus Schulze and Ralf Wadephul). This quartet of master electronic musicians have joined together to compose a double CD with 6 tracks (each featuring one of the special guests listed above) topping around 2.5 hours in total length. Don't call it a comeback or a reunion, but a new EM force to be reckoned with! This will be an *un*limited edition, cuz it's that friggin' good! ;-) Track listing and album title forthcoming from someone with a better imagination! ;-) Dave (don't throw anything at me, please!) Brewer :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 1:42 am Subject: 220V Track order (Re: BIFROST, My Eye!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: Steven Feldman > >[...] > >10. The Blue Bridge (live) 3:47 > > Hee hee hee. This *has* to be a joke: 'The Blue Bridge' is what > destroys the momentum of 'Backstreet Hero' before going into 'Hamlet.' > Yeah, I know what you mean. I don't know why they changed the track order around when they were putting 220 Volt together. IIRC, during the 92 show Blue Bridge was in the middle of the first set, Backstreet Hero was toward the end of the second set, and Hamlet was an encore. :-/ Dayv Bru'r From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 5:12 pm Subject: Best Songs For: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- >Really-From: TangerineC >I got one! >GUYS WHO MAKE LISTS LIKE THIS AND CRAP A LOT: Movements of a Visionary Oh, you love it!!!! I'm glad I inspired you to add at least one entry!!!!!! E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 5:37 pm Subject: Orange Nightmare: QUADRAX!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 7:04 am Subject: Re: Best Songs For... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > BEST SONGS FOR---- > > WASHING YOUR ASS TO: Stratosfear > NOT PAYING YOUR TELEPHONE BILL TO: Network 23 > SHAVING TO: Scrap Yard > PULLING WEEDS TO: Monolight (Yellow Part) > WATCHING ASIA CARRERA MOVIES TO: (hey, turn off the music and watch! HAHA) > WISHING EDGAR DIDN'T LOOK SO MUCH LIKE A VIKING TO: Ultima Thule, Pt. 1 > WISHING JEROME DIDN'T LOOK SO MUCH LIKE ROSEANNE TO: Le Parc > TAKING A DUMP TO: Exit > WISHING LINDA PLAYED MANDOLIN TO: The Hunt (by Goblin, hee hee) > BREAKING UP WITH YO' HO' TO: Alien Goodbye > WISHING KLAUS SCHULZE WOULD FALL INTO A Vulcano AND STOP RELEA- SING > MULTI-DISC BOX SETS AND MAKING A NICE LIVING OFF DISCI- PLES, er, FANS > PROCREATING TO: Creation > TAKING TYLENOL P.M. TO: Journey Through A Burning Brain > WATCHING LINDA EVANS AND YANNI SHMOOZE IT UP IN TINSELTOWN: Body > Corporate > > Additions welcome!!! > > egards, E-Man Here's more!! IMAGINING EDGAR AND JEROME HAVING HOT BUTT SEX TO: TangRam GOING TO A CONVENTION FULL OF NEW AGE ITEMS TO: Rubycon WISHING YOU COULD HAVE HOT PHONE SEX WITH A GIRL TO: The Call WATCHING AN AMAZING MAGICIAN ON THE BEACH TO: Coppercoast HAVING NIGHTMARES ABOUT MARATHON MAN TO: The Jogger WATCHING KLAUS COUNT HIS MONEY BECAUSE YOU FANS BOUGHT ANOTHER CD OF HIS TO: Silver Scale SEEING EDDIE GRANT ROCK DOWN TO ELECTRIC AVENUE AND CONVERT TO: Jamaican Monk KNOWING JESUS IS WATCHING EVERYTHING YOU DO TO: Lamb With Radar Eyes That should do for now, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 7:27 am Subject: Official TD Playlist & Times This might be very redundant, but this is the Official Playlist as listedon the Tangerine Dream webpage for the second part of the European TourAs listed below, encores vary from venue to venue!Greg...Part 1: Vintage Set#009;#009;released on#009;#009;#009;00:00#009;Waterborne05:45#009;Bridge 1#009;#009;06:20#009;Betrayal (Extract)#009;Sorcerer#009;#009;09:16#009;Diamond Diary (Extract)#009;Thief#009;11:58#009;Bridge 2#009;#009;#009;14:34#009;Sundance Kid#009;220 Volt Live#009;18:53#009;Bridge 3#009;#009;#009;#009;20:37#009;Silver Scale#009;Tangents Box Set CD 5#009;#009;28:00#009;Bridge 4#009;#009;#009;Mixes#009;29:30#009;Warsaw in the sun#009;Poland#009;#009;33:33#009;Bridge 5#009;#009;34:26#009;Exit#009;Exit#009;38:27#009;Bridge 6#009;#009;#009;39:06#009;Stratosfear 1995#009;Tyranny of Beauty#009;45:57#009;Bridge 7#009;#009;#009;47:14#009;Dolphin Dance#009;Underwater Sunlight#009;#009;52:12#009;Bridge 8#009;#009;#009;53:10#009;Logos 88#009;Three Phase Video#009;#009;#009;#009;58:44#009;Bridge 9#009;59:40#009;Streethawk/Le Parc#009;Le Parc62:35#009;Bridge 10#009;#009;63:30#009;The blue Bridge#009;220 Volt Live#009;#009;67:23#009;End Set 1Part 2: Modern Set#009;#009;released on#009;00:00 Flashflood#009;Oasis Soundtrack#009;#009;#009;06:53#009;Bridge 1#009;#009;07:50#009;220 Volt#009;220 Volt Live#009;14:45#009;Bridge 2#009;#009;16:07#009;Firetongues#009;Turn of the tides#009;22:30#009;Bridge 3#009;#009;23:18#009;Girls on Broadway#009;Rockoon#009;27:55#009;Bridge 4#009;#009;28:26#009;Little blond in the park (The Thai Dub)#009;Dream Mixes#009;35:37#009;Bridge 5#009;#009;36:06#009;Rising haul in silence#009;Goblins Club#009;43:30#009;Bridge 6#009;#009;43:55#009;Lamb with radar eyes#009;Goblins Club#009;50:47#009;Bridge 7#009;#009;51:37#009;Touchwood (The Forest Mix)#009;Dream Mixes#009;58:28#009;Bridge 8#009;#009;59:17#009;Towards the evening star#009;Goblins Club#009;65:34#009;End Set 2#009;#009;Encores (played in different orders at different venues):#009;#009;#009;Legend/Dallas Fort Worth (Legend Soundtrack & Goblins Club Australian Import)#009;#009;#009;The girl on the stairs/Thief Yang (limited Tour 97 Maxi, Shepherds Bush limited Maxi)#009;#009;#009;Hamlet (220Volt Live)#009;#009;#009;Catwalk (Dress up Mix) (Dream Mixes)#009;#009;#009;Dallas Fort Worth (Goblins Club Australia)#009;#009;#009;Purple Haze (220Volt Live and Dreamtime Maxi)#009;#009;#009; Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8494 Re: Official TD Playlist & Times CMOSLover Fri 11/7/1997 3 KB 8497 Re: Official TD Playlist & Times Lars R. Jones Fri 11/7/1997 2 KB 8502 Re: Official TD Playlist & Times Greg Heil Fri 11/7/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 7:45 am Subject: Re: OFFTOPIC: Star Trek Auction? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky >>Ack! Cough! Star Trek!? Ack! SPitooey! Babylon 5....Ack!! Wait, they >>made a film about people who watch Star Trek and B5 religiously. Wasn't >>little Robby Carradine in it? Try 'Revenge of the Nerds' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 5:06 pm Subject: CD's for trade ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) Howdy dreamers, I've got a few TD CD's I no longer require. Alpha Centauri Electronic Meditation Zeit Green Desert and Atem : CTANG1 - CTANG5 Jive releases with coloured geometric covers. Poland - Jive CHIP22 (3 track version) Tyranny of Beauty - AMP (can't remember the number) with Quasar. If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list. Cheers, Lawry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 11:38 am Subject: Re: Official TD Playlist & Times ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: CMOSLover tadream mailing list wrote: > Part 2: Modern Set released on > > 00:00 Flashflood Oasis Soundtrack > 06:53 Bridge 1 > 07:50 220 Volt 220 Volt Live > 14:45 Bridge 2 > 16:07 Firetongues Turn of the tides > 22:30 Bridge 3 > 23:18 Girls on Broadway Rockoon > 27:55 Bridge 4 > 28:26 Little blond in the park (The Thai Dub) Dream Mixes > 35:37 Bridge 5 > 36:06 Rising haul in silence Goblins Club > 43:30 Bridge 6 > 43:55 Lamb with radar eyes Goblins Club > 50:47 Bridge 7 > 51:37 Touchwood (The Forest Mix) Dream Mixes > 58:28 Bridge 8 > 59:17 Towards the evening star Goblins Club > 65:34 End Set 2 ie The same as the 'Tornado' album, except that there's an extra track at the beginng which is the drum solo start From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 11:40 am Subject: Happiness is a guitar called Hamlet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: G.N.P.Sutton@s... Went to Shepherds Bush last night. Excellent bar one thing - No guitar solo from Edgar. Eagerly awaited the Hamlet solo but it never came. Intead we got Zlatco bashing out a perverted Purple Haze. If edgar is retiring, isn't it about time Jerome started practising Hamlet. Regs, Nigels (Hamlet fan) (ps, two things, 15 quid for a CD - I'll wait til Feb I think) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Meridianen von Zymbiola ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: scooter@m... (John Von Pey) Hello All, can anyone on this list give me some information on the TD album 'Die Meridianen von Zymbiola' Thanks Tadream on, John Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8500 London concert (one more thing) Dr. Alan Stocker Fri 11/7/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 12:41 pm Subject: Re: Official TD Playlist & Times ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I looked at this list last night on the web page but I think it is the Euro (eg continental) play list since it doesn't jive at all with concert reports but is the same as listed on A'dam Eve... I dont think they have updated the list yet! lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 12:33 pm Subject: London concert report ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: sypower@o... OK folks, a quick bulletin from the London concert: It was another stormer Same set as Manchester except for an extra encore (Purple Haze) The Empire appeared to be full, or very nearly full, and the crowd was definitely more racous than Manchester The Keep and Ambient Monkeys were sold out, as were the t-shirts, but I got a bootleg t-shirt from outside that was better than the official ones. At half time I was chatting to an Irish guy sitting just behind me and found out that he was Mark Prendergast (of 'Tangents' and 'Dream Roots Collection' essay fame) He had some amusing stories of how he gets phoned up by ultra- hardcore TD fans complaining over factual errors or mis-captioned photographs I made a tape of the whole concert This means that I have complete tapes of both the London and Manchester shows Here's the problem, though: I'm out of the office for the whole of next week at least, and unless I can swing a temporary e-mail address at the company where I'm based, I won't be contactable via e-mail Potential traders will have to get in touch via phone on (+44) (0) 181 953 6154 (don't be put off by 'Andrew Lunt' on the answer machine - he's my landlord) PLEASE do not post any messages to me at this account until further notice as it's shared and they'll just clog up the mailbox Sorry that this e-mail has no full stops but the last one I sent had them all changed to those firkin quoted-printable =2E things: How do I stop that from happening? Glynn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 12:59 pm Subject: London Concert (plus Re: The KEEP S/T, Ambient Monkeys) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dr. Alan Stocker' >Really-From: Tdune > > > >Can anyone who is going to any of the upcoming TD shows pick me up a copy of >The Keep and Ambient Monkeys. Please contact me off the list if anyone is >willing to do it to discuss how to send payment. > You must be joking, the bloody things were sold out last night - i'd been to the cash machine as well. Ho hum... Anyway the concert... For those who have been to the Shepherd's Bush Empire, I was in the gods on level 2. A long way from the stage, but which did afford a good view of the what the band were up to. After previous posts I kep a close eye on Edgar's hands and IMO I think some of you have done him a considerable injustice. He certainly played the solo on Dolphin dance and on some of the other tracks There were a few mis-placed notes (either timing or note itself) at other parts so I would guess Jerome was playing at least something as well (I'm not implying that we would be more prone to this I'm just stating a case). Anyway, with that out of the way, what was the set(s) like. Well overall I enjoyed the concert - its the first time I've managed to see them in 11 years there's been some changes (like where's Chris gone 8-|). The set list was similar (if not identical) to those already discussed here. Highlights of the first set were Stratosphere 96 (97) and Beach Theme (Scene). In the second set, well the last two tracks kicked-arse and seemed to be popular and I certainly enjoyed them. Due to the vagaries of Midland Mainline Railways I had to leave the venue at 10.30 thereby missing all of the encores and as it happened nearly missing the last train from London anyway. Just one passing comment, Edagr looked very tired at the end of the second set - I am sure he is looking forward to his retirement. Alan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8526 Re: London Concert dn3 Sun 11/9/1997 3 KB 8553 Re: London Concert Paul Nagle Sun 11/9/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 1:02 pm Subject: London concert (one more thing) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dr. Alan Stocker' Sorry, just had to add one more comment - Emil is a brilliant addition to the band, he adds a lot of enthusiasm and flair - a genuine performer as well as an excellent percusionist (even if he did lose the timing on a couple of occasions) Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 2:22 pm Subject: Re: Orange Nightmare: QUADRAX!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek OK guys, I've seen this humor all week. Let's not beat it to death! >The quartet calls itself Quadrax, and this is their eponymous debut! Also, thanks to all the list members for providing their concert reviews. It really gave me a good feel for what I am missing. Thanks! Vic - with a sense of humor most of the time ;-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 7:03 pm Subject: Re: Official TD Playlist & Times I looked at this list last night on the web page but I think it is the Euro(eg continental) play list since it doesn't jive at all with concertreports but is the same as listed on A'dam Eve... I dont think they haveupdated the list yet!lars----------Sorrie Lars.. but the updated link to a 'slightly' changed playlistfor the second half of the Euro tour brought me to that page..hmmm...I'll check this out again!Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 2:35 pm Subject: Re: Best TD while having sex (WITH GIRLS!!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 12:23 PM 11/6/97 -0700, you wrote: I saw that movie too (Exit to Eden) You poor thing! I made it through the first 15 min and hung it up. Such crap! Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 9:34 pm Subject: WAV files ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Hello everybodreamers, I need to know how is coded the header of a wav-file, particulary where is stored the length of the sample. Another (related) question: mp3 compressor is a good tool to compress wav into wav mpeg layer3 format or even mp3 format. Win95's sndrec32 may load & save as mpeg layer3 format, but only wav files, not mp3. Is there a tool who can convert mp3 in mpeg layer 3 wav files, or directly in standard wav files? I think the two formats mpeg layer3 wav and mp3 only differs by the header that exists in the wav file. Am I right? What software handle mpeg layer 3 formats? cubase audio? wavelab? soundforge? Many thanks to anyone who can help me! Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 9:34 pm Subject: Subject: Re: Best TD while having sex (WITH GIRLS!!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Hi, TaDreaming People, > Anyway, I totally agree with the choice of Hyperborea So do I, and if I may introduce a couple of orgasmic tracks: 'Zeit' from Johannes Schmoelling (Wuivend Riet) 'Dreams' from Klaus Schulze (same album name) I think these 3 titles are made upon a same feeling / groove / er...mood / structure / mm... well that's it. Cheers, fReD PS: > Well, my fave TD is.....um.......well, it's Enigma's first CD. Sorry. Did you notice that Enigma1 has his source in '666' (vangelis+aphrodite's child)? Dis you notice that FSOL's ISDN features TOMITA's samples ('snakes hips' contains sample from Debussy revisited by Tomita)? Are samples copyrighted, eh? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 8, 1996 9:36 pm Subject: Re: TD live video 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'van hove' ---------- > Van: tadream mailing list > Aan: tadream@c... > Onderwerp: TD live video 1997 > Datum: donderdag 6 november 1997 11:58 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Really-From: scooter@m... (John Von Pey) > > > Hello, > > -=> Quoting tadream@c... to John von Pey <=- > > ta> Hi Folks, > > ta> I have two videos from TD for sale. > ta> I have the livevideo recordings from Sheperd Bush 1996 and the > ta> live video from Bonn(Germany)1997. > ta> These are full concerts: 120 minutes and in digital sound and vision > ta> quality. > ta> The price for these limited items are 15 GBP each, this includes > ta> post and package, aithin the next 5 days delieverd at your adress in > ta> Europe. > ta> If you are interested, send cash money to > > I am interested in the Sheperd Bush 1996 concert. But I've got a few > questions. > 1. Are this fantapes (stupid question, I suppose yes) > 2. Is there a cover around the tape or is it 'just' a tape in a blank box > 3. Can I pay by Eurocheque, if yes, on which name can I write it? > > Tadream on, > John > Dear John, It is a fantape, there is a nice cover and you can pay in Guilders, by eurocheque, 39 NLG. You receivethe tapes within the n,ext 10 days Best Wishes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 10:39 pm Subject: What do Eli (E-Man) and John Tesh have in common?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS Heh heh, sorry Eli...I have to tell them. Well, in the late eighties Eli and I went to a few e-music concerts. One of those concerts happened to be Yanni/Patrick O Hearn/and David Van Teigham. I believe it was 1988, same year we saw the Optical Race tour. Anyway, yes....I confess....before Yanni met Linda and she turned him into a squishy new age pianist he was quite an amazing electronic musician (see first 2 albums only....& Optimistique). Well, that night at the Wiltern Theater, we opened the program and discovered John Tesh was playing with Yanni's band (of course this was before either of them were sell outs). Since we had John's Tour De France albums (hey...they ARE pretty good...once again...NOT what he is playing now but rather what was used for the TDF bicycle races) we were pretty excited to see the man on keys. Anyway, mid-way during the Yanni set they break into a track on John's album, A Thousand Summers. Heh, all I remember hearing is Eli drowning out every man, woman, and nerd in the theater by saying 'Yeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!' Heh, well.....little did Eli know...John would release a sequel to Tour De France called The Early Years...and lo and behold...a live track from the 88 concert at the Wiltern Theater was on the release. And what do you know...it was A Thousand Summers! Heh heh, When the song begins on the CD you hear the audience cheer...and then it comes....'Yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!' Yeeehahahahahaaa! There you have it, undisputable evidence that Eli WAS at a Tesh live performance!! Heh heh...er.....hey I was there to see Patrick O Hearn...I swear!! Yeehahahahahahaha!!! Anyway, had to share....now how about it. What are some of your best concert stories. I know all of you have them. Let's hear them! Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8513 Re: What do Eli (E-Man) and John Tesh have in com Vic Rek Sat 11/8/1997 3 KB 8524 Re: What do Eli (E-Man) and John Tesh have in com Michael Fox Sat 11/8/1997 3 KB 8548 Re: What do Eli (E-Man) and John Tesh have in com matt knudson Sun 11/9/1997 3 KB 8549 Re: What do Eli (E-Man) and John Tesh have in com DJS Sun 11/9/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 10:41 pm Subject: Hilarious/Disturbing Concert Stories ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS DJS wrote: > > Heh heh, sorry Eli...I have to tell them. Well, in the late eighties Eli > and I went to a few e-music concerts. One of those concerts happened to > be Yanni/Patrick O Hearn/and David Van Teigham. I believe it was 1988, > same year we saw the Optical Race tour. Anyway, yes....I > confess....before Yanni met Linda and she turned him into a squishy new > age pianist he was quite an amazing electronic musician (see first 2 > albums only....& Optimistique). Well, that night at the Wiltern Theater, > we opened the program and discovered John Tesh was playing with Yanni's > band (of course this was before either of them were sell outs). Since we > had John's Tour De France albums (hey...they ARE pretty good...once > again...NOT what he is playing now but rather what was used for the TDF > bicycle races) we were pretty excited to see the man on keys. Anyway, > mid-way during the Yanni set they break into a track on John's album, A > Thousand Summers. Heh, all I remember hearing is Eli drowning out every > man, woman, and nerd in the theater by saying > 'Yeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!' Heh, well.....little did Eli know...John > would release a sequel to Tour De France called The Early Years...and lo > and behold...a live track from the 88 concert at the Wiltern Theater was > on the release. And what do you know...it was A Thousand Summers! Heh > heh, When the song begins on the CD you hear the audience cheer...and > then it comes....'Yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!' Yeeehahahahahaaa! There > you have it, undisputable evidence that Eli WAS at a Tesh live > performance!! Heh heh...er.....hey I was there to see Patrick O > Hearn...I swear!! Yeehahahahahahaha!!! Anyway, had to share....now how > about it. What are some of your best concert stories. I know all of you > have them. Let's hear them! > > Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 11:22 pm Subject: Re : Orange Nightmare ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... A new album by Orange Nightmare (a collaboration between Chris Franke, Peter Baumann, Johannes Schmoelling and Paul Haslinger; and featuring Steve Jolliffe, Steve Schroyder, Connie Schnitzler, Klaus Krueger, Klaus Schulze and Ralf Wadephul). Disc one 01 - Chasing the dream (Baumann) Trance Anharmonic Version 4:36 02 - Edgar is still alive (Schmoelling) Wuivend Toete Version 4:56 03 - Eclectic Leader Becomes Electrified (Alone) Leader (Franke) 3:00 04 - Band Without Rules / Primitive Leader (Haslinger) 15:34 05 - Lost Friend (Joliffe) Pathetic Version 9:33 06 - You have to pay (Krueger) Revenge version 3:17 07 - I always wanted to be a musician, Edgar (Krueger) 4:25 Disc two 08 - A momentary lapse of inspiration (Schulze) 76:59 (Extract from dark side of the moog, vol 37) Disc three 09 - Constellation (Schnitzler) Acid Jazz Version 30:30 10 - Noise Gate (Radephul) Clean Version 5:34 11 - Origin of supernatural group reminiscence (Schroyder) 15:55 Disc four 12 - Goodbye Linda (Franke, Baumann, Schmoelling, Haslinger, Jolliffe, Schnitzler, Krueger, Schulze, Wadephul - Guest: Popol Vuh) 48:12 This is a very special box set, available on pretty good stores and by internet at the following address: http://storenet.edg/OrangNightm/food/liquid/extra/bonus/cd/purchase/box.html (c) private jokes @ tadream list ++ fredY#5&63=zz Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8512 Re: Orange Nightmare FredYargui@a... Sat 11/8/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 11:33 pm Subject: Tad,Quadrax,Oasis and YOU ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS TaDREAMERS, Having not voiced in for a bit, Here I am. My comments are on the past few zany things you cats have been discussing. First: Thanks to all the posters for their discussions of the England shows. I have never seen TD and may soon have to move if Edgar is telling the truth. I really admire Jerome and his work , and am among the new gen fans. Although I grew up with Thief and Poland, I listen to GOBLINS, TYRANNY, and the like much much more. Hell last nite Aqua put me to bed. Second: Quadrax?? There is so much TD merchandise and 'LIMITED' releases going on I'm totally lost. Jokes I'm sure are humorous if they are pointed out as such, there is sometimes so much I can't sort em out. Third: Oasis.I've just shelled out an additional 17.00 buck for the domestic release with the added track CHIA MAROON. I love the added tune more than the rest of the album. I do however like TD's packaging better. I found the gold imprinting a real classy touch. As for the rest of the album, most enjoyable and definately a return to the 80's TD. Ambient, mellow with a little groove to hook on to.Most pleasant. Now that my comments are done- impress me with some TD detective work. Your assignment: decipher my ANTARKIS cd track listing.I have a cdr with the listing in GERMAN. If anyone has the listing in english please let me know. CHA CHA CHA CHIA-maroon-PET Chris np- Drive in VOL 1 KLAUSMEISTER From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 11:34 pm Subject: tapes for the brick? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Anyone want to trade a new, still-sealed copy of The Brick (with poster coupon) for some tapes? (the brick from you, the tapes from me) if so, e-mail me off list. Same deal applies to Haslinger's Lightwave and coma virus stuff... If anyone has some tapes from the UK tour and wants to deal, please contact me as well :-) thanks lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 12:26 am Subject: RE: Re : Orange Nightmare ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Now I am laughing very hard!!!! =+) chris ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Friday, November 07, 1997 6:22 PM To: tadream@c... Subject: Re : Orange Nightmare ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... A new album by Orange Nightmare (a collaboration between Chris Franke, Peter Baumann, Johannes Schmoelling and Paul Haslinger; and featuring Steve Jolliffe, Steve Schroyder, Connie Schnitzler, Klaus Krueger, Klaus Schulze and Ralf Wadephul). Disc one 01 - Chasing the dream (Baumann) Trance Anharmonic Version 4:36 02 - Edgar is still alive (Schmoelling) Wuivend Toete Version 4:56 03 - Eclectic Leader Becomes Electrified (Alone) Leader (Franke) 3:00 04 - Band Without Rules / Primitive Leader (Haslinger) 15:34 05 - Lost Friend (Joliffe) Pathetic Version 9:33 06 - You have to pay (Krueger) Revenge version 3:17 07 - I always wanted to be a musician, Edgar (Krueger) 4:25 Disc two 08 - A momentary lapse of inspiration (Schulze) 76:59 (Extract from dark side of the moog, vol 37) Disc three 09 - Constellation (Schnitzler) Acid Jazz Version 30:30 10 - Noise Gate (Radephul) Clean Version 5:34 11 - Origin of supernatural group reminiscence (Schroyder) 15:55 Disc four 12 - Goodbye Linda (Franke, Baumann, Schmoelling, Haslinger, Jolliffe, Schnitzler, Krueger, Schulze, Wadephul - Guest: Popol Vuh) 48:12 This is a very special box set, available on pretty good stores and by internet at the following address: http://storenet.edg/OrangNightm/food/liquid/extra/bonus/cd/purchase/box.html (c) private jokes @ tadream list ++ fredY#5&63=zz From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 2:52 am Subject: Re: What do Eli (E-Man) and John Tesh have in common?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: DJS >[...]...Yeehahahahahahaha!!! Anyway, had to share....now how >about it. What are some of your best concert stories. I know all of you >have them. Let's hear them! Too many to tell, and some I dare not publish on the net, but who in the hell was yelling 'EDGAR! ALL RIGHT EDGAR, YEAH!, EDGAR ,EDGAR, ETC...' at the Santa Monica Civic, California on the 1977 Tour? I have it on tape. I bet it was somebody on this list? ;-) It sounded like the beginning of a Led Zeppelin concert (or maybe even Rainbow)!!! OK, I confess. I was kicked out of the Frank Zappa concert at the same venue mentioned above in 1982 (I think) for being too rowdy. I just can't believe it these days, heh heh. At the same show, my friend started making out with the female usher. It was crazy. We show her our tickets, then I turn around and they're in a lip lock. Good ole Zappa, may his soul rest in peace. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 4:11 pm Subject: Babe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 4:18 pm Subject: Audio Trade ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 5:30 pm Subject: ***MORE***Best Songs For... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >> Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > >> BEST SONGS FOR---- > >> WASHING YOUR ASS TO: Stratosfear >> NOT PAYING YOUR TELEPHONE BILL TO: Network 23 >> SHAVING TO: Scrap Yard >> PULLING WEEDS TO: Monolight (Yellow Part) >> WATCHING ASIA CARRERA MOVIES TO: (hey, turn off the music and watch! HAHA) >> WISHING EDGAR DIDN'T LOOK SO MUCH LIKE A VIKING TO: Ultima Thule, Pt. 1 >> WISHING JEROME DIDN'T LOOK SO MUCH LIKE ROSEANNE TO: Le Parc >> TAKING A DUMP TO: Exit >> WISHING LINDA PLAYED MANDOLIN TO: The Hunt (by Goblin, hee hee) >> BREAKING UP WITH YO' HO' TO: Alien Goodbye >> WISHING KLAUS SCHULZE WOULD FALL INTO A Vulcano AND STOP RELEASING MULTI-DISC BOX SETS AND MAKING A NICE LIVING OFF DISCI- PLES, er, FANS >> PROCREATING TO: Creation >> TAKING TYLENOL P.M. TO: Journey Through A Burning Brain >> WATCHING LINDA EVANS AND YANNI SHMOOZE IT UP IN TINSELTOWN: Body Corporate > >> Additions welcome!!! > >> Regards, E-Man >Here's more!! >IMAGINING EDGAR AND JEROME HAVING HOT BUTT SEX TO: TangRam >GOING TO A CONVENTION FULL OF NEW AGE ITEMS TO: Rubycon >WISHING YOU COULD HAVE HOT PHONE SEX WITH A GIRL TO: The Call >WATCHING AN AMAZING MAGICIAN ON THE BEACH TO: Coppercoast >HAVING NIGHTMARES ABOUT MARATHON MAN TO: The Jogger >WATCHING KLAUS COUNT HIS MONEY BECAUSE YOU FANS BOUGHT >ANOTHER CD OF HIS TO: Silver Scale >SEEING EDDIE GRANT ROCK DOWN TO ELECTRIC AVENUE AND CONVERT >TO: Jamaican Monk >KNOWING JESUS IS WATCHING EVERYTHING YOU DO TO: Lamb With Radar >Eyes Fasten your seatbelts!!!! BEING LOST IN SAN FRANCISCO OR SOME OTHER GAYTOPIA: Midnight In Tool-a DITCHING YOUR BABE AT THE ALTAR FOR THAT HOT-LOOKING BARMAID: Bride In Cold Tears EATING A BOLOGNA SANDWICH TO: Bois De Bologne HAVING COLON CANCER AND DIARRHEA TO: Red Shift (sorry, Mark) BEING LOST FAR FROM THE BORDER OF THE MARSH FROM YOU-KNOW-WHERE AFTER DROPPING ACID AND HEARING Swamp Voices LUKE PERRY PONDERS HIS POST-BEVERLY HILLS 90210 CAREER: Dylan's Future DON'T Touchwood OR YOU'LL GO BLIND AND GROW HAIR ON YOUR PALMS YOU WERE ONE HEARTLESS BASTARD IN HIGH SCHOOL MAKING THAT Penguin Reference ABOUT THAT CHICK WITH THE BIG SHNOZZ AND THEN YOU SEE HER AT YOUR TEN-YEAR REUNION AND SHE'S NOT JUST J. GEILS' Centerfold *applause* Thank you, thank you, everybody... E-Man Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8520 Re: ***MORE***Best Songs For... Elias Granillo, Jr. Sat 11/8/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 5:43 am Subject: Audio Trade ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >I still have my vinyl copy of Electronic Meditation with a coffee ring and >roach-nibbled corner! Trade you? >E-Man -- sorry, all I've got to trade for this are 12th generation copies of those 2 Linda Spa porno tapes -- but I know you've already got them. wet dreams L-man Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8530 Re: Audio Trade Michael Fox Sat 11/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 5:44 pm Subject: Thanx 4 The {Concert} Memories ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >Really-From: Vic Rek >>Really-From: DJS >>[...]...Yeehahahahahahaha!!! Anyway, had to share....now how >>about it. What are some of your best concert stories. I know all of you >>have them. Let's hear them! >Too many to tell, and some I dare not publish on the net, but who in the >hell was yelling 'EDGAR! ALL RIGHT EDGAR, YEAH!, EDGAR ,EDGAR, >ETC...' at >the Santa Monica Civic, California on the 1977 Tour? I have it on tape. I >bet it was somebody on this list? ;-) It sounded like the beginning of a Led >Zeppelin concert (or maybe even Rainbow)!!! Hey, man, how old are you? HAHA did you get to see Hawkwind while Lemmy was still in the band? Do you remember The Nice? hee hee >OK, I confess. I was kicked out of the Frank Zappa concert at the same >venue mentioned above in 1982 (I think) for being too rowdy. I just can't >believe it these days, heh heh. At the same show, my friend started making >out with the female usher. It was crazy. We show her our tickets, then I >turn around and they're in a lip lock. >Good ole Zappa, may his soul rest in peace. >Vic Dan and I were stuck in serious traffic on the way to the Rockoon show in Los Angeles in '92 (FIVE years ago! when are TD gonna get their asses over here?). We're looking at all the sportscars and making faces at all the Donald Trumps and George Hamiltons behind the wheels of their Jaguars...looking at the friggin' smokestacks...we FINALLY get to the Wiltern Theater 20min. past start time (I think it was 8pm). The ticketguy takes a painstakingly long time to take our stubs and rip them in half...we F I N A L L Y get to our seats (TD were late that night) and WHOOSH! the concert begins! *whew* I was bullshitting with a friend of mine after opening act Mr. Big at the Rush *Presto Tour* concert (GWForum, Inglewood) and I don't even notice it's 8:27 (showtime at 8:30) WHAM the lights go out and I'm running back up (had 8th row seat with my buddy Steve) and Geddy Lee's silhouetted form comes on stage while my dumb ass is looking for Steve and crawling on rows of seats occupied moments before by asses and asses of concertgoers now on their feet....too bad 'Time' didn't literally 'Stand Still' that time! HAHA Regards, E-Man Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8576 Re: Thanx 4 The {Concert} Memories Plumer, Scott Mon 11/10/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 6:32 pm Subject: TRADE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' at 10:13pm Lars wrote: <-- sorry, all I've got to trade for this are 12th generation copies of From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 1:42 pm Subject: RE: ***MORE***Best Songs For... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Late lonely nite huh EMAN?? CHRIS np contamination/goblin ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Saturday, November 08, 1997 12:30 PM To: tadream@c... Subject: ***MORE***Best Songs For... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >> Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > >> BEST SONGS FOR---- > >> WASHING YOUR ASS TO: Stratosfear >> NOT PAYING YOUR TELEPHONE BILL TO: Network 23 >> SHAVING TO: Scrap Yard >> PULLING WEEDS TO: Monolight (Yellow Part) >> WATCHING ASIA CARRERA MOVIES TO: (hey, turn off the music and watch! HAHA) >> WISHING EDGAR DIDN'T LOOK SO MUCH LIKE A VIKING TO: Ultima Thule, Pt. 1 >> WISHING JEROME DIDN'T LOOK SO MUCH LIKE ROSEANNE TO: Le Parc >> TAKING A DUMP TO: Exit >> WISHING LINDA PLAYED MANDOLIN TO: The Hunt (by Goblin, hee hee) >> BREAKING UP WITH YO' HO' TO: Alien Goodbye >> WISHING KLAUS SCHULZE WOULD FALL INTO A Vulcano AND STOP RELEASING MULTI-DISC BOX SETS AND MAKING A NICE LIVING OFF DISCI- PLES, er, FANS >> PROCREATING TO: Creation >> TAKING TYLENOL P.M. TO: Journey Through A Burning Brain >> WATCHING LINDA EVANS AND YANNI SHMOOZE IT UP IN TINSELTOWN: Body Corporate > >> Additions welcome!!! > >> Regards, E-Man >Here's more!! >IMAGINING EDGAR AND JEROME HAVING HOT BUTT SEX TO: TangRam >GOING TO A CONVENTION FULL OF NEW AGE ITEMS TO: Rubycon >WISHING YOU COULD HAVE HOT PHONE SEX WITH A GIRL TO: The Call >WATCHING AN AMAZING MAGICIAN ON THE BEACH TO: Coppercoast >HAVING NIGHTMARES ABOUT MARATHON MAN TO: The Jogger >WATCHING KLAUS COUNT HIS MONEY BECAUSE YOU FANS BOUGHT >ANOTHER CD OF HIS TO: Silver Scale >SEEING EDDIE GRANT ROCK DOWN TO ELECTRIC AVENUE AND CONVERT >TO: Jamaican Monk >KNOWING JESUS IS WATCHING EVERYTHING YOU DO TO: Lamb With Radar >Eyes Fasten your seatbelts!!!! BEING LOST IN SAN FRANCISCO OR SOME OTHER GAYTOPIA: Midnight In Tool-a DITCHING YOUR BABE AT THE ALTAR FOR THAT HOT-LOOKING BARMAID: Bride In Cold Tears EATING A BOLOGNA SANDWICH TO: Bois De Bologne HAVING COLON CANCER AND DIARRHEA TO: Red Shift (sorry, Mark) BEING LOST FAR FROM THE BORDER OF THE MARSH FROM YOU-KNOW-WHERE AFTER DROPPING ACID AND HEARING Swamp Voices LUKE PERRY PONDERS HIS POST-BEVERLY HILLS 90210 CAREER: Dylan's Future DON'T Touchwood OR YOU'LL GO BLIND AND GROW HAIR ON YOUR PALMS YOU WERE ONE HEARTLESS BASTARD IN HIGH SCHOOL MAKING THAT Penguin Reference ABOUT THAT CHICK WITH THE BIG SHNOZZ AND THEN YOU SEE HER AT YOUR TEN-YEAR REUNION AND SHE'S NOT JUST J. GEILS' Centerfold *applause* Thank you, thank you, everybody... E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 3:59 pm Subject: Sherperd's Bush ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Colin Neal' Hi, I'm new to this list, (so HI everyone - nice to meet you) and would like to give my brief impressions of the first Tangerine Dream concert that I've ever been to. The one last Thursday in London. My friends and I got there about 4:30 and no one else had started queuing so we decided to stay and wait. Consequently, we got front row centre stage, standing by the barrier! It was excellent. I thought the music was excellent, apart from some tracks didn't get going as well as they could have (drums kept stopping and starting instead of breaking out into a definite rhythm). We were a bit disappointed by the interval that the band hadn't spoken, but the pay off came right at the end when Edgar picked up the microphone and said 'Thank you. We have really enjoyed our gigs in the UK.' Top bloke - I hope he doesn't retire. I didn't like the fact that it ended with Purple Haze. I preferred the first encore to be the ending (names escape me, sorry). Could someone please tell me what the first track of the second set was called, as I loved it! Getting to the front meant turning down every few minutes and watching all the merchandise gradually disappear. Nevermind. I did want a T-shirt though. I got 2 posters and the CD single. The crowd warmed up about 3/4s of the way in. I usually like to enjoy myself at concerts and started clapping to the rhythm when Streethawk started, but only my friends joined in so we stopped. Good audience though at the end. I'm looking forward to learning more about TD - I only have a selection of their albums (Green Desert is still my favourite) and would like to get into them a lot more, so bear with me! I'm a huge Jean Michel Jarre fan and have seen him 7 times this year, and went to Moscow where he played in front of 3.5 million people - me at the front again!). As far as TD's future goes, I hope that they add some new electronic artists (not literally) to the band to introduce some new blood. Their new stuff is okay, but it's all a pre-set piano sound. Come on guys get the old analogue instruments out! Anyway, nice to meet you all. Colin. ------------------------------------------------------- Colin Neal B.Sc. 32, Kerris Way, Lower Earley, Reading. Berkshire. RG6 5UW. England. Email : Colin_Neal@m... ------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 2:56 pm Subject: Cyclone ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Brian M. Frick' Hey, all you listers. I was wondering if anyone would be willing to *gasp* sell *urgh* his copy of Cyclone for $12 or so. Heaven forbid anyone wanting to sell that... Actually, I've been looking for it for a while, and I can't seem to find it at all. If anyone WOULD sell it to me, please email me privately. Sincerely, -- Brian Frick Homepage: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/index.html Equinoxe: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html 'Don't work for my happiness, my brothers -- show me yours -- show me that it is possible -- show me your achievement -- and the knowledge will give me the courage for mine.' - Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8533 Re: Cyclone Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 11/9/1997 3 KB 19444 Re: Cyclone Chris Richards Sun 11/28/1999 1 KB 19579 Cyclone colin_anderson@xxxxx.xxx Sun 12/5/1999 2 KB 23179 Re: Cyclone Chris Richards Thu 7/6/2000 3 KB 23180 Re: Cyclone Brian Stewart Thu 7/6/2000 2 KB 30152 Re: Cyclone John Marchington Sat 11/17/2001 3 KB 30158 Cyclone and Rising Runner (the meaning!) Re: [tad Gustavo Jobim Sat 11/17/2001 4 KB 30175 Re: Cyclone rubyconist@y... Mon 11/19/2001 3 KB 30154 Re: Cyclone mengels@w... Sat 11/17/2001 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 4:39 pm Subject: re: offtopic: Star Trek ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sturminatr@a... >Really-From: DJS >Ack! Cough! Star Trek!? Ack! SPitooey! Babylon 5....Ack!! Wait, they >made a film about people who watch Star Trek and B5 religiously. Wasn't >little Robby Carradine in it? Then I guess getting you the 'Captain Janeway Blowup Doll' for the holidays wasn't such a good idea, eh? ;) Make it so, B. Kirby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8532 Re: offtopic: Star Trek DJS Sat 11/8/1997 4 KB 8598 Re: offtopic: Star Trek Sturminatr@a... Tue 11/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 1:48 pm Subject: Re: What do Eli (E-Man) and John Tesh have in common?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 02:39 PM 11/7/97 -0800, you wrote: >would release a sequel to Tour De France called The Early Years...and lo >and behold...a live track from the 88 concert at the Wiltern Theater was >on the release. And what do you know...it was A Thousand Summers! Heh >heh, When the song begins on the CD you hear the audience cheer...and >then it comes....'Yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!' Yeeehahahahahaaa! I've got this! After I read the post I popped it on--hee hee heeeeee! Geez, Eli, can you autograph the cover for me? Mike (still cracking up--This would make a great little Windows sound event--boot up Windows and 'YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!') From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 9:09 pm Subject: ANTARKIS LISTING ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Impress me with some TD detective work. Your assignment: decipher my ANTARKIS cd track listing.I have a cdr with the listing in GERMAN. If anyone has the listing in english please let me know. And on another note, personally I prefer the SEVEN OF NINE blowup doll. CHA CHA CHA CHIA-maroon-PET Chris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8537 Re: ANTARKIS LISTING Dave Brewer Sat 11/8/1997 4 KB 8588 Re: ANTARKIS LISTING Michael Fox Mon 11/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 9:41 pm Subject: Re: London Concert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dn3 On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:59:14 +0000 tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Dr. Alan Stocker' > > After previous posts I kep a close eye on Edgar's > hands and IMO I think some of you have done him a considerable injustice. > He certainly played the solo on Dolphin dance and on some of the other tracks > There were a few mis-placed notes (either timing or note itself) at other > parts so I would guess Jerome was playing at least something as well (I'm not > implying that we would be more prone to this I'm just stating a case). I've seen Edgar playing (or I thought I saw him playing, from level 2) the lead sections on 'Warsaw in the Sun' and a few other pieces. And I noticed the wrong/mistimed notes too. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8553 Re: London Concert Paul Nagle Sun 11/9/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 5:27 am Subject: Wanted - complete recordings from UK tour ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'W.W. Bessels' Hi tadreamers, Now that the UK tour has come to an end, after only a couple of dates, I'm searching for people who have recordings from this tour. I prefer to have complete and digital recordings, but 'best sound analog' is also fine for me !! If you think you have something, please mail me OFF-LIST and we can work something (trading, swapping) out (like with my superior sounding A'dam recording from last April, digital, complete and far better quality than A'dam Eve). I will 'hear' from you !!! Cheeeeeeeers, Wouter. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 8:04 pm Subject: RB audio kit ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I was just listening to a great tape of the Risky Business Audio Kit... Chris Franke has some interesting things to say about what they call their music. He says something like 'we used to call it `electronic music' or `spherical music' but we've developed so many textures that one term can not adequately describe it.' I also think there is some unreleased TD material here and a slightly different version of LOART; guess I'll have to listen again! ;-) lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 1:49 pm Subject: Re: Audio Trade ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 08:18 AM 11/8/97 -0800, you wrote: >I still have my vinyl copy of Electronic Meditation with a coffee ring and >roach-nibbled corner! Eli, Whatever happened to the roach? Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 1:50 pm Subject: Re: Audio Trade ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 12:43 AM 11/8/97 -0500, you wrote: >-- sorry, all I've got to trade for this are 12th generation copies of >those 2 Linda Spa porno tapes -- but I know you've already got them. > >wet dreams >L-man MAN! You got 'Sax-maniac' AND '220V Blow Job'?????? M-man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 1:49 pm Subject: Re: Babe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 08:11 AM 11/8/97 -0800, you wrote: Eli wrote: >only if you don't think Dana Delaney's a babe, I guess. I don't mind some >films with excessive nudity, as long as the nudes aren't excessively >ugly!!!! HAHAHAHAHA > >what's your idea of a babe? Shelley Duvall? Olive Oyl??? PTUH PTUH! And it soitenly ain't Rosie O'Donnell! I don't mind nudity as long as there is a plot! Try 'Damage' (the scrumcious Julliette Binoch) for fireworks! Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 7:34 pm Subject: Re: offtopic: Star Trek ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Sturminatr@a... > > >Really-From: DJS > > >Ack! Cough! Star Trek!? Ack! SPitooey! Babylon 5....Ack!! Wait, they > >made a film about people who watch Star Trek and B5 religiously. Wasn't > >little Robby Carradine in it? > > Then I guess getting you the 'Captain Janeway Blowup Doll' for the holidays > wasn't such a good idea, eh? ;) > > Make it so, > B. Kirby Actually, if you gave me the colonel version of her when she starred in Remo Williams the Adventure Begins I might be into that...but seeing as you don't have that...er....uh...just send me the blow up Majel Barret doll. I'm a kinky guy you know. If you don't have one of those, send me the Edgar Froese dress-up Norseman outfit that includes two nordic axes, a thick parka, three legs of meat, two rounds of waxed cheese, a horned helmet and a copy of Antarktis with the limited edition single, To Valhalla nnd Back. Thanks dude...much appreciated. Dano Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 1:10 am Subject: Re: Cyclone ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:56 AM 11/8/1997 -0500, Brian wrote: [...] >I was wondering if anyone would be willing to *gasp* sell *urgh* his copy of >Cyclone for $12 or so. Ahem...no. However, I conducted a campaign of finding it, too. for a friend. The Net failed me, but I found it a 'Crow's Nest' in Chicago, when I visited there. Ask one of the fellows who live there (Michael Jean, for instance) to get it for you. It costs around 12 bucks. It nobody volunteers, let me know, and I will ask one of my friends from there to get you one. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 2:54 am Subject: Running Man -> Catch Me if You Can ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Can anyone supply me with a VHS NTSC tape of the movie 'Night of the Running Man'? Hey Dano, are you listening? Also, I have a sealed 'Catch Me if You Can' CD - USA version. I would like to trade for the UK version if it has significantly different artwork. Can someone get this CD for me or explain the artwork (CD graphics also) in detail? One more thing.. I am looking for a Yugoslavian TD LP. Does anybody have one available to trade - title makes no difference. Thank you, Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8552 Re: Running Man -> Catch Me if You Can DJS Sun 11/9/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 10:53 pm Subject: Re: Drum Solo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dn3 On Sat, 08 Nov 1997 15:21:43 -0700 (MST) tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Dave Brewer > > The drum solo > was a nice surprise, I was expecting something more 80's-ish, but got > something more mystical. I like how Emil got the crowd into it partway > through. I thought the drum solo at the Shepherd's Bush was even better, more melodic and musical in structure. I liked the chime sounds they played over it too. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 10:06 pm Subject: Re: Oops ! (was : time square track in concert) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dn3 On Thu, 06 Nov 1997 12:03:34 +0000 (GMT) tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Grant Middleton > > > > no, it wasn't 'Mobocaster', but 'Time Square' (last track on this CD). > > > > armin > > Oops ! You're right. Still, there is a definite similarity in feel > between Mobocaster and Time Square, wouldn't you agree ? I don't really think there is. Mobocaster is a remix of 'The Twilight Brigade' from Turn of the Tides, while I haven't figured out if there's an 'original' version to Time Square. I certainly like that piece, though, and it was an excellent conclusion to their live set. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 9:51 pm Subject: Re: ANTARKIS LISTING ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: KRAUSENECKS > > > Impress me with some TD detective work. Your assignment: decipher my >ANTARKIS cd track listing.I have a cdr with the listing in GERMAN. If >anyone has the listing in english please let me know. Okay, if you mean what the actual tracks are, not the translations of the German titles given them by the 'producers' of the CD, I can give it a shot from memory. I got a file from someone's post a while back about the Berlin 87 concert, including the tracklisting, but I don't have it with me today. The actual names of the tracks (from often faulty memory) are: Caspian Sea (Livemiles Pt 2A) Dolphin Smile Civilized Illusions Betrayal/Diamond Diary Love on a Real Train Canyon Voices Zen Garden Scuba Scuba/Untitled Piano Solo Dolphin Dance Betrayal Diamond Diary Love on a Real Train All but the last three are from the Berlin 87 show. And the last three are from the Bristol 90 show. Why they tacked those on at the end, I'll never know. Still, I like this disc! BTW, if you don't have the CD 20th Century Serenades, I suggest you seek it out, since it has the rest of the Berlin 87 performance. Now if you wanted translations of the German titles ('borrowed' from Popol Vuh titles, IIRC) then I'm sorry I typed all the preceding crap, and you'll have to wait for someone who knows the language. :-) >And on another note, >personally I prefer the SEVEN OF NINE blowup doll. > RRRRRROOW!! You like that machine love, don't you! ;-) You will be assimilated! Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 10:22 pm Subject: The Keep/Ambient Monkeys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dn3 On Wed, 05 Nov 97 21:50:34 EST tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Steven Feldman referring to the official 1997 release, sold at the UK concerts) > *Composed by E. Froese > **Composed by E.Froese and J.Scmoelling > ***Composed by Froese, Schmoelling, Franke > ****Composed by Thomas Tallis 1505-1585, Arr. by E.Froese I have the impression that TD have committed a bit of mis-crediting with the UK tour releases, The Keep and Ambient Monkeys. 'Heritage Survival' on The Keep appears in the first set of the 1982 Logos concert (the track which Morgan named 'Orange Part', for those who have Logos-Set One'). It is _correctly_ credited to Froese, Franke and Schmoelling. There are other parts on The Keep, though, which are taken from the same 'Logos' material, but credited to Edgar only ('Reflect' and 'Equus' according to Morgan's nomenclature, I don't remember how the tracks are titled on The Keep). Similarly, on Ambient Monkeys, the section called 'The Seventh Propeller of Silence' is quasi-identical to 'Astral Voyager' (Froese/Franke), but credited to Edgar and Jerome. The last track, 'Myopia World' is by no means new either; it's something off Optical Race, either 'Turning off the Wheel' or 'The Midnight Trail' (both Froese/Haslinger). Again, the sleeve credits on Ambient Monkeys claim that it is a Froese/Froese work. Strikes me as interesting and a bit fishy... Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 8, 1997 10:21 pm Subject: Tournado & Oasis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer Well, I finally got them from Horizon music yesterday. Right off, I've got to say I like both of them. Even though there is very little new music presented, I think Tournado is a very good live album. It seems to capture the feel of being at the concert. 220 Volt Live didn't do that for me. I like most of the new material on 220V, but the way it was mixed left something to be desired. To me it sounded thin, and more like a studio album. And the sound level fluctuations in some of the parts (especially 220 Volt) was quite annoying. It sounded better at the show than on the CD. And where's the crowd?? When listening to the CD at lower levels like I do for studying, it sounds like some faint static starts the CD. I remember the crowd roaring when Edgar stepped out for Hamlet, but you can't hardly hear the crowd's response on the CD. That's what's cool about Tournado, that place had a very good crowd! And they were mixed so you could hear them. The drum solo was a nice surprise, I was expecting something more 80's-ish, but got something more mystical. I like how Emil got the crowd into it partway through. Oasis seems pretty good as well, tho I've only listened once all the way thru so far. I like Flashflood and Waterbourne the best, and I can hear some nods to classic TD throughout the album. I hear some really neat sounds being used, and the overall sound quality is rich. Despite all these good things, one bad thing has to be mentioned. When I got home and saw the package, I picked it up and heard some tinkling noises, like little pieces of a demolished vase. Sure enough, the Oasis jewel case was shattered on one side, and part of the spine part of the rear card was ripped off. Man, I was a little pissed! Luckily, I had a spare case lying around, and the CD wasn't damaged. Surprisingly, Tournado was in one piece. You'd think the postal service would take more care, with all the money we pay for postage! :-( Dave B. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 3:42 pm Subject: Lonely? Only you!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 3:45 pm Subject: Looking For Mr. GoodCyclone ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- If it's the CD (obviously, haha) you want, I should be able to pick it up at Best Buy for you (if they still have it, you know how they move dozens of the Tangs' cds every day!!!) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 3:48 pm Subject: Roach! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' I still have my vinyl copy of Electronic Meditation with a coffee ring and <>roach-nibbled corner! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 3:48 am Subject: D:Solo Week 22 - Nov. 10, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This week we would like to hear comments on: Edgar Froese - Pinnacles ------------------------ Please make subject heading 'D:Pinnacles' when replying. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 3:51 pm Subject: Autograph ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' would release a sequel to Tour De France called The Early Years...and lo <>and behold...a live track from the 88 concert at the Wiltern Theater was <>on the release. And what do you know...it was A Thousand Summers! Heh <>heh, When the song begins on the CD you hear the audience cheer...and <>then it comes....'Yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!' Yeeehahahahahaaa! I<'ve got this! After I read the post I popped it on--hee hee heeeeee! Geez, From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 3:54 pm Subject: *ahem* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 4:07 pm Subject: Foreign TD for Vic Rek ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' it was part of some Columbia House deal. I'll let it go for $15,000 pesos. Caramba! You're making out like a bandido! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 5:21 am Subject: so Dream Mixes 2 is, in fact, a remix album? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Dennis, are we to infer from your comment about 'Mobocaster' being 'Twilight Brigade' in disguise, that the rest of _DM2_ is really remixes of recent stuff, just under new titles? (with the obvious case omitted) So this brings to 4 the number of past TD pieces appearing in new guises: Impressions of Sorcerer <--> Graffiti Street Convention of the 24 <--> Order of the Ginger G(u)ild and now: Mobocaster <--> Twilight Brigade Loved By The Sun/Unicorn Theme <--> Time Square ??? np: Jehan Alain--complete organ works vol. 1 ( :) ) Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8630 Re: so Dream Mixes 2 is, in fact, a remix album? dn3 Wed 11/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 5:49 pm Subject: Re: What do Eli (E-Man) and John Tesh have in common?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) On Sat, 08 Nov 1997 13:48:25 tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) writes: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to >majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: Michael Fox > > >At 02:39 PM 11/7/97 -0800, you wrote: >>would release a sequel to Tour De France called The Early Years...and >lo >>and behold...a live track from the 88 concert at the Wiltern Theater >was >>on the release. And what do you know...it was A Thousand Summers! Heh >>heh, When the song begins on the CD you hear the audience cheer...and >>then it comes....'Yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!' Yeeehahahahahaaa! > >I've got this! After I read the post I popped it on--hee hee heeeeee! >Geez, >Eli, can you autograph the cover for me? > >Mike (still cracking up--This would make a great little Windows sound >event--boot up Windows and 'YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!') > > I was there on the 2nd night at the 88 Wiltern Theater concert, Optical Race Tour. Incredible evening! - Matt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 8:13 am Subject: Re: What do Eli (E-Man) and John Tesh have in common?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Michael Fox > > At 02:39 PM 11/7/97 -0800, you wrote: > >would release a sequel to Tour De France called The Early Years...and lo > >and behold...a live track from the 88 concert at the Wiltern Theater was > >on the release. And what do you know...it was A Thousand Summers! Heh > >heh, When the song begins on the CD you hear the audience cheer...and > >then it comes....'Yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!' Yeeehahahahahaaa! > > I've got this! After I read the post I popped it on--hee hee heeeeee! Geez, > Eli, can you autograph the cover for me? > > Mike (still cracking up--This would make a great little Windows sound > event--boot up Windows and 'YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!') Heh heh heh. I still crack up when I hear it too. If you knew Eli you'd appreciate it more..but if you've been following his humor...you have a small dose of what he's capable of heh heh. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 8:19 am Subject: Re: Audio Trade & roaches ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Michael Fox > > At 08:18 AM 11/8/97 -0800, you wrote: > > >I still have my vinyl copy of Electronic Meditation with a coffee ring and > >roach-nibbled corner! > > Eli, > > Whatever happened to the roach? > > Mike You all think he's lying yeeeeehahahahahahahah!!! It's true. In Palm Springs we have GIANT roaches and they DO eat ANYTHING and THEY FLY! No joke! I saw the LP when I visited him last...and man....wheeeewwwwwy...it was a hungry roach!! Hahahahaa! Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 8:29 am Subject: Re: Autograph ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > > <>would release a sequel to Tour De France called The Early Years...and lo > <>and behold...a live track from the 88 concert at the Wiltern Theater was > <>on the release. And what do you know...it was A Thousand Summers! Heh > <>heh, When the song begins on the CD you hear the audience cheer...and > <>then it comes....'Yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!' Yeeehahahahahaaa! > > I<'ve got this! After I read the post I popped it on--hee hee heeeeee! > Geez, > > Absolutely, mon friend! I'll see you at the Fates Warning gig at the Whisky > and sign it!!!!! > > > No, dude, an even better sound bite would be Dan farting!!!!! yeehahahaha > > E-Man Heh, naw....nothing beats the ol' hispanic nacho Doritos Salsa Verde gas passing. Heh heh. We'll sample one of yours Eli when I come down to record the Goblin tribute tune. Yeeehahahaha!! Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 8:36 am Subject: Re: Running Man -> Catch Me if You Can ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > Really-From: Vic Rek > > Can anyone supply me with a VHS NTSC tape of the movie 'Night of the Running > Man'? Hey Dano, are you listening? > Well, when we put out the CD for some reason we got a promo copy of the VHS tape. I'll find it and send it to ya. Anyone notice that in the NOTRM insert there's a blow up dummy falling over the side of the bridge? John thought it would be funny to put that in there. It was heh heh. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 4:25 pm Subject: Re: London Concert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle On Sat, 8 Nov 1997 21:41:09 +0000 (GMT), tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >> After previous posts I kep a close eye on Edgar's >> hands and IMO I think some of you have done him a considerable injustice. >> He certainly played the solo on Dolphin dance and on some of the other tracks The injustice was done to any who expected him to play live - ie. physically manipulate an instrument throughout the performance in a way which affected the sound you heard. If he did some stuff for you at London that's great. All I can say is that at Leeds he mimed most (if not all) of the time or his keyboard has interpretive functions beyond anything I've ever heard of. All *I* personally hoped for was the occasional solo, bridge section or weird noise bit. I wasn't asking the earth. As I've said, I still enjoyed it because I knew what to expect. It's all down to what you call live performance. This was 'Edgar appears live', certainly not 'Edgar appears alive'. Just think how bad this would be though if every band did it? How easily a devoted audience accepts a prepared performance, perhaps because they somehow get confused with the power of the technology. If I went to see the LSO and they played their latest CD accompanied by a triangle player, would I clap? Can anyone imagine Rick Wakeman or Vangelis sitting at a MiniMoog and miming throughout a entire gig? If you want to hear some live Electronic Music, check out Ian Boddy's many gigs. It IS possible to play very complex (or layered) stuff and have a far higher proportion of it live than TD choose to do. But it takes a little hard work. So my point? Treat a TD gig as saluting the remaining TD hero and have a good time. Don't look for Edgar to prove he's a musician anymore - he probably feels he has nothing to prove to anyone. 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 11:22 am Subject: FTP Help ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Hello, everybody I receive the tadream list mail with the digest only; recently, I found out that I didn't receive #91 nor #95. I looked for the ftp site where the digests are stored, but my provider says it does not exist; can anyone send me the correct address of the site? e-mail privately, please, so that I'm sure to receive it! Thanks and read you soon Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 5:34 pm Subject: D: The River ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Boneheads1@a... I've been listening to a wonderful CD called 'The River' from Riley Roden (who is on this list). The music is extra-sensuous. The River is a beautiful experience of deep, peaceful/funky grooves. There is an undercurrent of deceptive simplicity throughout. The technique seems to be more concerned with being faithful to its inspiration than with trying to prove something. In this way it reminds me of Edgar Froese. I have listened to The River several times. That's because I just keep putting it back on. I enjoy it more and more with every listen. Thank you Riley. Your music is unique, and that's hard to find. Tim Scallon Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8556 Re: Geez! feldon@p... Sun 11/9/1997 3 KB 8562 Re: D: The River DJS Mon 11/10/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 6:14 pm Subject: Re: Geez! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... Forgive me if I am not responding to the tadream mailing list. 40 messages a day is just too much. I think it's great, but I'm really only reading messages with 'so-and-so CONCERT summary' and 'TIMESQUARE reaction', etc, etc. I got my chequebook here, anyone want to buy TimesSquare (Dream Mixes II), Ambient Monkeys, and Oasis CD for a guy stuck on this side of that big pond we call the Atlantic? Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 9, 1997 9:22 pm Subject: RE: London Concert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Daniel McLaughlin unsubscribe tadream -----Original Message----- From: tadream mailing list [SMTP:tadream@c...] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 1997 9:25 AM To: tadream@c... Subject: Re: London Concert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle On Sat, 8 Nov 1997 21:41:09 +0000 (GMT), tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >> After previous posts I kep a close eye on Edgar's >> hands and IMO I think some of you have done him a considerable injustice. >> He certainly played the solo on Dolphin dance and on some of the other tracks The injustice was done to any who expected him to play live - ie. physically manipulate an instrument throughout the performance in a way which affected the sound you heard. If he did some stuff for you at London that's great. All I can say is that at Leeds he mimed most (if not all) of the time or his keyboard has interpretive functions beyond anything I've ever heard of. All *I* personally hoped for was the occasional solo, bridge section or weird noise bit. I wasn't asking the earth. As I've said, I still enjoyed it because I knew what to expect. It's all down to what you call live performance. This was 'Edgar appears live', certainly not 'Edgar appears alive'. Just think how bad this would be though if every band did it? How easily a devoted audience accepts a prepared performance, perhaps because they somehow get confused with the power of the technology. If I went to see the LSO and they played their latest CD accompanied by a triangle player, would I clap? Can anyone imagine Rick Wakeman or Vangelis sitting at a MiniMoog and miming throughout a entire gig? If you want to hear some live Electronic Music, check out Ian Boddy's many gigs. It IS possible to play very complex (or layered) stuff and have a far higher proportion of it live than TD choose to do. But it takes a little hard work. So my point? Treat a TD gig as saluting the remaining TD hero and have a good time. Don't look for Edgar to prove he's a musician anymore - he probably feels he has nothing to prove to anyone. 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 3:59 pm Subject: Concert Throw outs! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Colin Neal' Hi, Did any of you at Shepherd's Bush grab Emil and Edgar's sweaty towels at the end of the concert? I just missed Emil's one - don't know what I would have done if I *had* got it though! Colin. ------------------------------------------------------- Colin Neal B.Sc. 32, Kerris Way, Lower Earley, Reading. Berkshire. RG6 5UW. England. Email : Colin_Neal@m... ------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8563 Re: Concert Throw outs! DJS Mon 11/10/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Signal to Noise Ratio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman The irrelevant postings to this list now actually outnumber the relevant ones. This has to stop before the folks with important things to say sign off in disgust. Where's David Datta when you need him? -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8564 Re: Signal to Noise Ratio Greg Heil Mon 11/10/1997 6 KB 8565 Re: Signal to Noise Ratio DJS Mon 11/10/1997 3 KB 8629 Re: Signal to Noise Ratio dn3 Wed 11/12/1997 4 KB 8566 Re: Signal to Noise Ratio DJS Mon 11/10/1997 4 KB 8567 Re: Signal to Noise Ratio Jens Peschke Mon 11/10/1997 3 KB 8586 Re: Signal to Noise Ratio DJS Mon 11/10/1997 4 KB 8589 Re: Signal to Noise Ratio Michael Fox Mon 11/10/1997 3 KB 8637 Re: Signal to Noise Ratio Plumer, Scott Wed 11/12/1997 3 KB 8659 Re: Signal to Noise Ratio DJS Thu 11/13/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 1:54 am Subject: I'm new to the list... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lpspins@a... Hello everybody! Just wanted to say that TD is one of my fav bands. I think that 'Zeit' is their best record and look forward to hearing more from the band. Lets see, I think I only have about 15 Lp's by TD and am always on the look-out for stuff I don't have yet. I encourage those of you reading this to contact me if you want to. I listen to ALL kinds of music [ have 6,000 Lp's ] so there's plenty to talk about! Changing directions, does anybody have any Michael Rother Lp's they want to sell to me? I think his stuff is also superb. That's it! Take care all...John Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8594 Re: I'm new to the list... Jeffrey Au-Yeung Tue 11/11/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 2:57 pm Subject: The Relevance Of Banality ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' < The irrelevant postings to this list now actually outnumber the Okay, Steve, just ask and you'll receive: We'll limit the number of IRrelevant to Relevant posts to a ratio of 20:1. Cheerio-ee-o, E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 5:02 am Subject: Re: D: The River ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > Really-From: Boneheads1@a... > > I've been listening to a wonderful CD called 'The River' from Riley Roden > (who is on this list). Heh, I think I remember this Riley guy....I won't share what I remember though heh heh. > > The music is extra-sensuous. The River is a beautiful experience of deep, > peaceful/funky grooves. In other words.....it's hardcore new age right? There is an undercurrent of deceptive simplicity > throughout. What does 'deceptive simplicity' mean anyway? The technique seems to be more concerned with being faithful to > its inspiration than with trying to prove something. In this way it reminds > me of Edgar Froese. Ahh....you mention Edgar to somehow plug Riley's CD and make it pertinent to the NL. Heh heh heh. Kinda like if I said Rush's Marathon tune has beautiful flowing analog bass keyboard in the background which reminds me of Edgar's wife, Monique and her amazing pictures. > > I have listened to The River several times. That's because I just keep > putting it back on. You mean to listen to a CD several times you have to put it back on over and over? heh heh. I enjoy it more and more with every listen. Thank you > Riley. Your music is unique, and that's hard to find. > > Tim Scallon You are right about one thing...Riley's music IS unique heh...and so is he. Dano (relax...he's just hackin on ya billy) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 5:05 am Subject: Re: Concert Throw outs! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Colin Neal' > > Hi, > > Did any of you at Shepherd's Bush grab Emil and Edgar's sweaty towels at the > end of the concert? I just missed Emil's one - don't know what I would have > done if I *had* got it though! > > Colin. > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Colin Neal B.Sc. > > 32, Kerris Way, Lower Earley, Reading. Berkshire. > RG6 5UW. England. > Email : Colin_Neal@m... > > ------------------------------------------------------- you mean you would actually want a sweaty towel from Edgar??? What would you do with it, sleep with it covering your face and inhaling Edgars sweaty aroma while playing your skin flute? Yeahahahaha!! Just kiddin dude...but what WOULD you do with it??? Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 4:27 am Subject: Re: Signal to Noise Ratio ----------> From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@cs.uwp.edu> Subject: Signal to Noise Ratio> Date: Sunday, November 09, 1997 5:57 PM> Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > The irrelevant postings to this list now actually outnumber the> relevant ones. This has to stop before the folks with important things> to say sign off in disgust.> Where's David Datta when you need him?> > -- Steven Feldman I don't want to make enemies or anything, but I kinda agree with Steve here thatthere's been quite a bunch of *odd* postings to this list. I know this is just another one of those posts, but I'm usually quiet and just lurk among thelist. If you all want to talk about yer love life (or lack), Star Trek, and what particular acts you use TD music for, well, maybe I'll go hop on the emotionless Kraftwerk list! heeheeI would like to thank all those whom posted reviews of TD's concerts andalbums! That's the great thing about this list! Reviews from REAL fans!Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 5:06 am Subject: Re: Signal to Noise Ratio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > The irrelevant postings to this list now actually outnumber the > relevant ones. This has to stop before the folks with important things > to say sign off in disgust. > Where's David Datta when you need him? > > -- Steven Feldman Uh oh...here comes the tight ass, Mr feldman. Lighten up dude. i notice you haven't had much to say lately anyway. Dan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8629 Re: Signal to Noise Ratio dn3 Wed 11/12/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 6:35 am Subject: Re: Signal to Noise Ratio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ---------- > > From: tadream mailing list > > To: tadream@c... > > Subject: Signal to Noise Ratio > > Date: Sunday, November 09, 1997 5:57 PM > > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > > > > The irrelevant postings to this list now actually outnumber the > > relevant ones. This has to stop before the folks with important > things > > to say sign off in disgust. > > Where's David Datta when you need him? > > > > -- Steven Feldman > > > I don't want to make enemies or anything, but I kinda agree with Steve > here that > there's been quite a bunch of *odd* postings to this list. I know this > is just > another one of those posts, but I'm usually quiet and just lurk among > the > list. If you all want to talk about yer love life (or lack), Star > Trek, and what > particular acts you use TD music for, well, maybe I'll go hop on the > emotionless Kraftwerk list! > heehee > I would like to thank all those whom posted reviews of TD's concerts > and > albums! That's the great thing about this list! Reviews from REAL > fans! > > Greg... Hey Greg...the 'lack of humor' newslist is being founded by myself at this time. Please feel free to subscribe. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 6:52 am Subject: Re: Signal to Noise Ratio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: DJS [Greg seconded Steves opinion] > > Hey Greg...the 'lack of humor' newslist is being founded by myself at > this time. Please feel free to subscribe. Dano, does this mean that you finally shut up ? To be perfectly honest I like some *funny* postings from time to time, but *now* it´s getting boring. I´ve deleted all the last recent messages from our *two coolest guys* without reading them, no need to say that. Maybe I´ve not enough humour. Thanks to all who had reviewed the UK concerts and the new CD´s. This is the kinda stuff I wanna read. The reviews sound really tasty, IMO :-) I envy all of you who were there and hope to see TD again before Edgar will leave. I´m looking forward to Danos -ing reply ;-) Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 7, 1997 5:20 pm Subject: Details of Glasgow, Leeds and Birmingham concerts to follow... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' Yo dudes, Since I have returned this week from a pilgrimmige to 3 TD concerts, work commitments have delayed me posting details of my successful trip to the UK Tour. However, hopefully next week I will have time to share some thoughts about the gigs with you all. Until then, Keep dreaming (Lars? I too have to admit that I have dreamt several times about TD playing in our local village hall - now no longer used!!) Conrad Gibbons From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 6:33 pm Subject: Sorcerer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) Hi, If anyone has a UK copy of the SORCERER soundtrack on vinyl, please contact me off-list. (I don't want it from you... just information). Thanks, Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28923 Sorcerer rubyconist@y... Wed 9/5/2001 2 KB 28924 Re: Sorcerer Synthhtnys@a... Wed 9/5/2001 2 KB 28927 Re: Sorcerer Michael A Jean Wed 9/5/2001 3 KB 28933 Re: Sorcerer john@p... Thu 9/6/2001 3 KB 28935 Re: Sorcerer goozer@a... Thu 9/6/2001 3 KB 28928 Re: Sorcerer tom807@a... Wed 9/5/2001 3 KB 28932 Re: Sorcerer rubyconist@y... Thu 9/6/2001 2 KB 28939 Re: Sorcerer BRUCE@F... Thu 9/6/2001 2 KB 28940 Re: Sorcerer john@p... Thu 9/6/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 6:59 pm Subject: TDI catalogue numbers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) Hi all, Who can tell me what TDI003 and TDI004 were? I know all the others, but not these two. Thanks, Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8571 Re: TDI catalogue numbers Vic Rek Mon 11/10/1997 2 KB 8573 Re: TDI catalogue numbers Lawry Simm Mon 11/10/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 1:21 pm Subject: Re: TDI catalogue numbers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) >Who can tell me what TDI003 and TDI004 were? I know all the others, but not >these two. TDI003 = Turn of the Tides TDI004 = Rockoon Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 1:46 pm Subject: Vermillion Sands ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Has anyone noticed that much of the Zoning 1987 soundtrack uses elements from the hard to find 'Vermillion Sands' track. Good stuff! Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 9:02 pm Subject: Re: TDI catalogue numbers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) > Really-From: Vic Rek > > >>Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) > >>Who can tell me what TDI003 and TDI004 were? I know all the others, but not >>these two. > > TDI003 = Turn of the Tides > TDI004 = Rockoon > > Vic Thanks for the info Vic. I take it these are TDI reissues in the same way as Tyranny of Beauty. Are they picture disks also? Are they diffent in any way from the previous releases? Thanks, Lawry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 3:00 pm Subject: Oh my gawd! PACIFIC BLUE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Yikes, I can't believe I waited six months for THIS!!! I've never had the need to be critical of Chris Franke's output before (though I realize many of you have), but this is AWFUL!!! I couldn't even get through five minutes of it... I'm suprised there hasn't been a MAJOR warning about this one... Perhaps I'll learn to like it , if I can ever bring myself to touch it again... Still in shock...... MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8578 Re: Oh my gawd! PACIFIC BLUE Jim Moore Mon 11/10/1997 3 KB 8585 Re: Oh my gawd! PACIFIC BLUE DJS Mon 11/10/1997 4 KB 8604 Re: Oh my gawd! PACIFIC BLUE Gaza Grand Master of Gazitsu Tue 11/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 11, 1997 2:58 am Subject: Regarding Humorous Posts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' <> Really-From: DJS <[Greg seconded Steves opinion] <> <> Hey Greg...the 'lack of humor' newslist is being founded by myself at <> this time. Please feel free to subscribe. -ing reply ;-) This isn't GoldTri. You're not going to get thwapped. Like I said, Dan and I injected 10,000 cc of humor into this newsgroup to separate the men from the zombies. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 3:29 pm Subject: RE: Thanx 4 The {Concert} Memories ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I've seen TD three times, and have stories about all of them: 1986: The concert promoter in Cleveland used to have this 'club' where you could pre-order tickets before the sale date and would get better seats, all for about $80 a year. My friend's mom was in the club, and was able to get us seats in the THIRD row at Cleveland's Music Hall. Before the show, I bought a German flag to wave at the show, just because I was a stupid teenager going gaga over my favorite band. At the show, my buddy and I bought some stuff, then wandered around a bit, trying to sneak backstage. We went down a corridor, but found it blocked by a stack of equipment cases marked 'E. Froese,' 'C. Franke,' and 'P. Haslinger.' Ed's cases also had stickers from some Western US tourist destinations. 'These are _their_ cases!' we exclaimed to each other. As we were reverentially touching that which Herr Froese hath touched, a large German roadie accosted us: 'You leaves cases alone or I crush you.' We went to our seats, the show started, and I was knocked out. It's still the best concert I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot. 1988: My wife-to-be and I were working on an island in Lake Erie for the summer. We both got the day of and the day after the concert off, and were about to leave the island via the first ferry of the morning. A fire broke out in one of the restaurants, and the ferries were all taken to ferry fire trucks, leaving us stranded. A friend of mine had a marine radio, so we called my father-in-law, who has a boat nearby on the mainland. He came to get us, but all the docks were full. He had no dinghy, so we had to _swim_ to his boat! Of course, our car was on the island, and Cleveland was an hour and a half away. Some coaxing convinced him to take us, by boat, to the city for the show. We redeemed ourselves by trolling for fish along the way (turning a four-hour ride into a six-hour ride) and catching quite a lot. The show was at the Nautica, and open-air stage in the industrial area of Cleveland along the Cuyahoga River. There was a dock nearby, where he let us off at about 3 p.m., in plenty of time for the show. The show was good, and the highlight was during 'House of the Rising Sun,' when a freighter went by behind the stage. 1992: Not nearly as exciting. We waited for 90 min. in the cold for autographs, only to be told they wouldn't be signing any. They did give us autographed photos, though. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 3:48 pm Subject: Goodbye y'all ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton Hi folks, Just dropping my last message into the Tadream mailbox. I've decided to concentrate all my efforts on trying to find a replacement for the TD I love - the Virgin years. My guess is that I'm most likely to find that over in GoldTri. Thanks to all the list members and administrators for the good work and good vibes. Long may your mailbox flourish. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Grant Middleton, Senior Software Engineer, Marconi Simulation, UK Phone: +44 (0)1383 - 828027 Fax: +44 (0)1383 - 824227 E-Mail: grant.middleton@g... Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9240/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8750 Re: Goodbye y'all AOutland@a... Sun 11/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 4:12 pm Subject: Re: Oh my gawd! PACIFIC BLUE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim Moore' > Yikes, I can't believe I waited six months for THIS!!! > I've never had the need to be critical of Chris Franke's output before > (though I realize many of you have), but this is AWFUL!!! I couldn't even > get through five minutes of it... I'm suprised there hasn't been a MAJOR > warning about this one... I have to agree on this one. I kept waiting for a decent song to come up, but one never did. I hate grunge... I guess you have to be a Jeff Spicoli to appreciate this one... I wish he would stop trying to be a musician of all styles, and focus on what he does well... In the same shipment, I received 'Perry Rhodan', which was a much better album over all, but it also adds fuel to the argument: Franke should stay away from lyrics. The way I see it, lyrics serve one of two functions (or both if the writer is a clever one): they are present for atonal purposes (best examples: Jon Anderson or Enya), or the word choice is structured more for content and meaning (eg. Neil Peart, Sting). Franke's lyrics provide neither... - jimbo 'Book burnings in 1997... Did we learn nothing from Footloose?' -- Paula Poundstone 'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 5:03 pm Subject: RE: Signal to Noise Ratio & Pinnacles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Uh oh...here comes the tight ass, Mr feldman. Lighten up dude. i notice >you haven't had much to say lately anyway. Make that tight-asses. I'm getting pretty tired of these 14-year-old-boys'-locker-room attempts at humor. Humorous posts are fine, but the key element in such posts is, surprisingly enough, HUMOR! 99 percent of the stuff the people in question have posted hasn't been funny, it's been stupid, poorly thought-out and juvenile. And I'm being polite. Ed & Co. are certainly good targets for parody, especially considering their recent perfomances (or lack thereof) in the UK. But one good message a day beats one hundred juvenile attempts at humor. I'm done now. Just so this post isn't a total waste: I listened to both Pinnacles and Stuntman over the weekend. Both are ab fab. It's amazing what a difference a couple years makes. Stuntman seems a lot like a blend of the styles of FM and Tangram. Does anyone else think so? Pinnacles seems like it coul have been outtakes from the Hyperborea sessions. I'm not saying that's bad, though. I think it shows how much influence Ed had over the band. I'd like to see a solo album from the 1990's. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8583 Re: Signal to Noise Ratio & Pinnacles & what's ne Gabe Yedid Mon 11/10/1997 5 KB 8601 Re: Signal to Noise Ratio & Pinnacles DJS Tue 11/11/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 5:59 pm Subject: D: <:::::[]:::::'Kamikaze 1989':::::[]:::::> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... Kamikaze 1989 November 10, 1997 Edgar Froese 'Kamikaze 1989' Published 1982 Purchased 1983 Virgin Records LP V2255 Late again!! I listened to this LP several times last week in preparation for this commentary, but I just could not get my thoughts together to write anything significant about it. I have read a couple of not-particularly-distinguished posts about this recording, and that still didn't get my creative energies in motion in writing something about this OST. But times change, and a simple thought came into my head this morning, which I will attempt to relate, but, hopefully, not bother or bore you all, too much. There is a warm section in my heart reserved for this LP, although (once again) I have never seen the film. For that matter I don't ever recall seeing the NAME of the movie anywhere. Therefore, I have absolutely no visual images to go with the music, and I pretty much have the take the music at face value, which in itself is not necessarily a bad thing. This is, for me, an 'Edgar Froese - A portrait of the Artist as a young man' notebook. None of these compositions are full-blown, complete, and finished works, but there is a continuity here which I find breathtaking. Whether the following is true or not, I can see Edgar being involved in this venture and going back to his musical roots to find themes and moods to fit the tenor of the film. Instead of developing brand new compositions, he may have researched his own catalog and found his own previously inspired creations, to fit the scenario as appropriate. Once the theme was chosen the piece was (probably/maybe/likely) fleshed out to fit the aspect of the drama more suitably. I have absolutely no idea if this was actually the case, but I like the feel of this theory, from my own aspect as a listener. There is a certain palpability to this music, as a grouping, which expands chronologically to fill a larger block of compositional time like none of Edgar's other solo works. There are some very 'up to date' (relatively) signatures and there are some very old ideas which have been developed and/or redeveloped much more effectively that some of his more recent 'Tangentized' tunes. One, in listening to this recording, can more clearly come to grips with Edgar's personal input into other Tangerins Dream compositions. It more-or-less allows us, as listeners, to use a magnifying glass to see that same artist within a flow of time. This, instead of only looking at the musician/composer as an individual creative force. The individual aspect is one which is easily seen with _any_ of Edgar's other solo releases. Not to belabor the issue, but I was talking to a jazz musician, friend of mine, the other day. We were listening to an old John Coltrane LP and he abruptly says that Coltrane could tell a complete and finished story with his playing. Coltrane was not a musician as much as a tale-spinner. He had the capability to start a story from a point of absolute-zero and engage the listener subtly, envelop the audience, lull them, develop the theme, build the tension, pull their focus, switch off the audience's internal dialog, and totally take command of the process of making, listening, and creating music. Personally, when I listen to Coltrane for a long period of time, I get exhausted. There are elements of this magic with Edgar's playing also. Not to say that Edgar is a John Coltrane type of musician, but there is a like connection in the process of listener engagement. In making a comparison between the music of Froese and that of, say, John Tesh, (I am perhaps comparing apples and oranges here), but Froese's style is much more introspective and revealing of the composer than that of Tesh. With Froese one is tempted to say that the music is a _primary_ source of _communication_, whereas Tesh is merely and primarily a performer. Comments welcome. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8614 Re: D: <:::::[]:::::'Kamikaze 1989':::::[]:::::> Michael Fox Tue 11/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Live recordings ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: scooter@m... (John Von Pey) Hello all, I've got some more information on the record 'Die Meridianen von Zymbiola'. But also another question. Recently I got a record 'The dremas are known to you'. The record itself looks exactly the same (blue label, no printed information). When I recorded both into my computer I noticed a great similarity in the graphic representation of the music. They both turn out to contain exactly the same concert. I'm gonna listen to audio noises asap to make a conclusion if it is even the same pressing. But in the mean time, can anyone give me some more information on both? Titel: Die Meridianen von Zymbiola Text on front cover: Die Meridianen von Zymbiola, Live in Seattle 1977 Limited numbered edition 50/40 copies Text on back cover: (including typing errors) This Tangerine Dream record is a special Graphic edition. The first 10 copies are four colour prints The next 40 copies are blue colour prints Every edition is numbered by the designer. The record has also a special matrix, stating the numberes of the front picture and has the coad - art two 1977 50/-. This edition is striktly limeted to 50 copies the pressing plates are distroyed. The sound quality is perfectly - you love it! Cover : A standard white cover with on both sides an attached sheet with: Illustration: Front: A deserted world with sharp rocks pointing upwards. Printed in blue. Back: Top part of a large globe with a diamond shape rising from it. Printed in red. On each side of the record is a matrix code that has been removed by scratching them away. The length of the scratched part is about the same as the matrix code of the following record: Titel: The dremas are known to you Front cover: Tangerine Dream The Dremas Are Known To You 1977 Live Kansas City U.S.A. rape priority xxx666 PIGPRODUCTION 100 copies Cover: A standard black cover with on the front an illustration. A blueish male, right leg bent, left leg stretched in front, holding a stick like object above his right shoulder . There is a signature stating: moebius 74 The record has blue labels, no printed information. Close to the label is the matrix code: TD - DA & TD - DB These letters are not handwritten. Tadream on, John From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Polish Postcards ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: scooter@m... (John Von Pey) Hello all, Here is the information about the Polish Postcards I found recently at a record fair: Polish postcards: Each has a red rectangular stamp on the back. Size: 6 cm * 3 cm. On the left there are two squares of 1,5 cm. The top left square states: Biem The lower left square states: 33 1/3 Rpm The top right states: TYT. The lower right states: WYK. All this text is also stamped. It looks like one big stamp is used. The top right rectangle also states the title of the song, in handwritten black inkt. The lower right rectangle also states Tangerine Dream in the same handwritten black inkt. The titles: the card pictures: Wall Street - Gdansk, Renesansowa Wielka Zbrojownia (lasta 1601 - 1609) Four pictures of Gdansk Brandenburg gate GDYNIA, Dworzec PKP Hotel 'Gdynia', Ulica Zwirki i Wigury Five pictures: three buildings, one ship in a dock, one harbour Alexander square Bydgoszcz, Glowny Dworzec PKP A building with the text bydgoszcz glowny on its front Hitchhikers point Inowroclaw, Miasto (prawa w 1240 r.) i uzdrowisko Three pictures, one of a church, one of an entrance, one of a garden. Peacock island A white pink basket with flowers, stating: Serdeczne Zyczenia Emperors Castle Bydgoszcz, Miejska Biblioteka Publiczna przy Starym Rynku 24 A picture of a large building As you may notice, these are the first six songs from 'Destination Berlin'. Can anyone tell me if this is a complete set, or should there be more? Tadream on, John Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8591 Re: Polish Postcards Vic Rek Mon 11/10/1997 4 KB 8606 Re: Polish Postcards John Von Pey Tue 11/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 6:18 pm Subject: RE: Signal to Noise Ratio & Pinnacles & what's next for Edgar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >Uh oh...here comes the tight ass, Mr feldman. Lighten up dude. > i notice > >you haven't had much to say lately anyway. > > Make that tight-asses. I'm getting pretty tired of these > 14-year-old-boys'-locker-room attempts at humor. Humorous posts are > fine, but the key element in such posts is, surprisingly enough, HUMOR! > 99 percent of the stuff the people in question have posted > hasn't been funny, it's been stupid, poorly thought-out and juvenile. > And I'm being polite. Ed & Co. are certainly good targets for parody, > especially considering their recent perfomances (or lack thereof) in the > UK. But one good message a day beats one hundred juvenile attempts at > humor. I'm done now. Add a #3. It's so nice to know there are people on the list less tactful than I am ;). Mostly I have just been ignoring any post that comes bearing the names of these boys in the header... > Just so this post isn't a total waste: > I listened to both Pinnacles and Stuntman over the weekend. Both > are ab fab. It's amazing what a difference a couple years makes. > Stuntman seems a lot like a blend of the styles of FM and Tangram. Does > anyone else think so? I personally think it's much closer to _Tangram_ and _Thief_ than to _Force Majeure_... > Pinnacles seems like it coul have been outtakes > from the Hyperborea sessions. I'm not saying that's bad, though. I think > it shows how much influence Ed had over the band. I'd like to see a solo > album from the 1990's. I think that _Pinnacles_ and _Hyperborea_ are very different in character, and in overall concentration of timbres (they were also recorded about 3 months apart, if memory serves). _Pinnacles_ has a good number of sounds that were used on both _White Eagle_ and _Hyperborea_, but only here were they found in these concentrations and combinations. And it is the album that features what is, IMO, *THE FINEST* TD solo composition of them all, 'Specific Gravity of Smile'. Definitely Edgar's most enlightened moments in the studio, as far as I'm concerned. As for a '90s solo album, we have _BtS_...there's certainly enough new material to make up a whole album, but it has basically the same sonic environment as current TD. And there's always _Zoning_, too... if what you meant is a 1990s album that sounds like _Stuntman_ or _Pinnacles_, um, keep hoping... I wonder if Edgar's impending retirement means a complete cessation of composing for him, or will we see post-TD solo Froese albums? > Scott > Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Record fair ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: scooter@m... (John Von Pey) Hello All, If you had the opportunity to go to the record fair in Utrecht, but did not go, get your baseball bat and slap yourself on your head heavily! I did go, and it was like heaven for me. I found a lot of TD items, but finally bought Undulation Thief 12' (Elektra promo) Towards the evening star 12' (The Orb remix, clear green vinyl with glitters) A set of 6 Polish Postcards The dremas are known to you (Live in Kansas 1977) Things I did not buy: 2 10' acetate discs (345 DM) 4 different tour programmes (25 to 45 DM) about 30 promo's (12' and albums,European and Japanese) (25 DM to a lot) the Oasis video ( 60 Guilders ) 10 different 7' singles ( 5 DM to 25 DM) Bicycle race in 2 different colours (45 DM Each) Canyon dreams (vinyl) two different colours (50 DM each) Why I didn't by them? Easy. I ran out of money. But you surely did mis something! Tadream on, John Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8590 Re: Record fair Marcel Engels Tue 11/11/1997 3 KB 8605 Re: Record fair John Von Pey Tue 11/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 6:59 pm Subject: Re: Oh my gawd! PACIFIC BLUE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > Yikes, I can't believe I waited six months for THIS!!! > > I've never had the need to be critical of Chris Franke's output before > (though I realize many of you have), but this is AWFUL!!! I couldn't even > get through five minutes of it... I'm suprised there hasn't been a MAJOR > warning about this one... > > Perhaps I'll learn to like it , if I can ever bring myself to touch it > again... Still in shock...... > > MJ Tell me about it. SI sent us a promo...and man did it stink. The first track was noneother than....gag choke.....a vocal...and a terrible one at that.Even if you are into B5 you might really want to stay away from this. The only use for this album is either a doorstop or to complete some collection somewhere (yes Vic, I'll send you all thepromo's on this baby hahaha). And MJ, you will NEVER get used to Pacific Blue...just try buddy heh heh. Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 7:11 pm Subject: Re: Signal to Noise Ratio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > > Dano, does this mean that you finally shut up ? ehhhh...not exactly dude. > > To be perfectly honest I like some *funny* postings from time to time, > but *now* it´s getting boring. I´ve deleted all the last recent messages > from our *two coolest guys* Why thank you Jenners, Eli & I will always remember you. without reading them, no need to say that. > Maybe I´ve not enough humour. Sometimes you need a little something different. How many times can you read bland mail such as 'Oh what a great album Dream Mixes is!' or 'I think Linda Spa is really pretty...gehehegeh'. I guess it's just too bad if messages appear that you don't want to read. If you had a life off of the computer perhaps you wouldn't mind so much. Just a suggestion. I find that people who sit in front of the comp all day tend to get a little too serious in newsgroups & such. I mean, how bad can your day job actually be? You haven't reached bottom though. You should see the Transformers newsgroup. They argue over if Brawn actually dies in the movie and such...so there's hope dude! Anyway, let's get back to what you love doing most jenners...let's talk TD. Let's be serious man! No more jokes man! Just for you man! Regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 7:40 pm Subject: RE: Pinnacles & what's next for Edgar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >if what you meant is a 1990s album that sounds like _Stuntman_ or >_Pinnacles_, um, keep hoping... >I wonder if Edgar's impending retirement means a complete cessation of >composing for him, or will we see post-TD solo Froese albums? Well, call me crazy, but I always thought that solo albums were supposed to be labors of love for the artists, not commercial ventures (Phil Collins notwithstanding) so solo albums were more of a look into the artist's heart & psyche. Thus, I thought Ed's solo albums were more of an insight into what he thinks TD should be. Have I been breathing too many exhaust fumes from my car or am I onto something? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 2:59 pm Subject: Re: ANTARKIS LISTING ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 04:09 PM 11/8/97 -0500, you wrote: And on another note, personally I prefer the SEVEN OF NINE blowup doll. DO NOT attempt this using only your lung power as you will pass out from the volume needed to fill the thing! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 3:01 pm Subject: Re: Signal to Noise Ratio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Steven, Note the last line from the disclaimer: >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Sorry if some find the off topic stuff trouble. Some find mind-numbing, extremely long posts about minutia or their own personal obessions a bit of a waste also. I'm NOT starting a flame war, here. It's just the ebb-and-flow of the list. Besides some irrelevance I've also read some wonderful reviews of the recent concerts and the merchandise available. It all goes around and this, too, will pass. IMHO, of course. Mike >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > The irrelevant postings to this list now actually outnumber the >relevant ones. This has to stop before the folks with important things >to say sign off in disgust. > Where's David Datta when you need him? > > -- Steven Feldman > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 8:11 pm Subject: Re: Record fair ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: scooter@m... (John Von Pey) > >Hello All, > >If you had the opportunity to go to the record fair in Utrecht, but did >not go, get your baseball bat and slap yourself on your head heavily! > >I did go, and it was like heaven for me. I found a lot of TD items, but >finally bought > >The dremas are known to you (Live in Kansas 1977) Hi John, I also went to Utrecht Jaarbeurs. (I'm coming from IJmuiden). I also saw The Dremas are known to you, but it was way too expensive for me. I mean DM 175,-!! Or did you get a special price from the german guy? Maybe we could trade some music? ( do you also have CDR?) Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8605 Re: Record fair John Von Pey Tue 11/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 8:52 pm Subject: Re: Polish Postcards ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: scooter@m... (John Von Pey) >Hello all, >Here is the information about the Polish Postcards I found recently at >a record fair: > >Polish postcards: > >The titles: the card pictures: > >Wall Street - Gdansk, Renesansowa Wielka Zbrojownia (lasta 1601 - 1609) > Four pictures of Gdansk >Brandenburg gate GDYNIA, Dworzec PKP Hotel 'Gdynia', Ulica Zwirki i Wigury > Five pictures: three buildings, one ship in a dock, one harbour >Alexander square Bydgoszcz, Glowny Dworzec PKP > A building with the text bydgoszcz glowny on its front >Hitchhikers point Inowroclaw, Miasto (prawa w 1240 r.) i uzdrowisko > Three pictures, one of a church, one of an entrance, one of a garden. >Peacock island A white pink basket with flowers, stating: Serdeczne Zyczenia >Emperors Castle Bydgoszcz, Miejska Biblioteka Publiczna przy Starym Rynku 24 > A picture of a large building > >As you may notice, these are the first six songs from 'Destination Berlin'. >Can anyone tell me if this is a complete set, or should there be more? > There are more from 'Destination Berlin': Down the Avus Midnight in Bear City The set contains about 20+ total, so there are many more of these from the various late 80's albums. I don't think they are the 'real' Polish postcards. Also, each postcard is different. So you probably won't see the same track on the same postcard. Hope this helps! Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8606 Re: Polish Postcards John Von Pey Tue 11/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 9:33 pm Subject: Re: Signal to Noise Ratio, Watch out Dano & E-Man ! ;-) (freaky smiley!!!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: DJS > > > Dano, does this mean that you finally shut up ? > > ehhhh...not exactly dude. (Imagine Krauthead Yense turning the AmeriDaniZed mode on bzzzz bzzz he he) Hu hu hu. Did you thought I was meaning it seriously ???? Ha ha ha. Nope. I´M JUST KIDDING. THIS WAS A JOKE. he he > Why thank you Jenners, Eli & I will always remember you. Huuuaaah - Don´t beat me. he he he I´m REALLY afraid now ;;;)))) BTW:Call me Yense. It roooollllss_ss_ss_s a bit better over the tongue. wussshh. bzzz bzz. > > Maybe I´ve not enough humour. I´M JUST KIDDING. THIS WAS A JOKE. he he [stuff deleted] CHOMP! CHOMP! yam yam > Anyway, let's get back to what you love doing most jenners...let's talk TD. > Let's be serious man! No more jokes man! Just for you man! Yes. This is exactly what I was meaning, dude! I really hate jokes, hate, hate, hate, he, he, he bzzzz bzzz Krauthead_Yense_goes_into_his_cellar_for_laughing No? he he he (Imagine Krauthead Yense turning the AmeriDaniZed mode off.) All the best for you :-| Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8600 Re: Signal to Noise Ratio, Watch out Dano & E-Man DJS Tue 11/11/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 10, 1997 10:35 pm Subject: Re: Orange Nightmare: QUADRAX!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' I love the super group's name, and the titles are a lot of fun. Maybe I'll use those tiles myself ( if I ever compose anyrthing electronic). ---Francisco > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > > > The quartet calls itself Quadrax, and this is their eponymous debut! > > DISC ONE: 1. Quadrattica 12:18 > 2. Deleria Around Cape Hope 7:47 > 3. (dichotymia I) 1:18 > 4. Kingdom Go 5:49 > 5. (dichotymia II) 2:06 > 6. Desperation Pt. 1 18:11 > 7. Chronytia 6:33 > 8. Desperation Pt. 2 22:58 > > DISC TWO: 1. Aquator 9:54 > 2. New Canaan 8:22 > 3. (dichotymia III) 1:43 > 4. Crest Unifiq 15:48 > 5. Q-Intercept 3:50 > 6. (dichotymia IV) 1:38 > 7. Desperation Pt. 3 14:42 > 8. Black Sands 10:12 > 9. Falling (dichtymia V) 7:17 > > There you have it!!!!! This album is everything we've been waiting for and > more!!!!!!!! > > Regards, > > E-Man > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 3:59 pm Subject: Re: I'm new to the list... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: I'm new to the list... > Date: 1997¦~11¤ë10¤é AM 09:54 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Really-From: Lpspins@a... > > > does anybody have any > Michael Rother Lp's they want to sell to me? I think his stuff is also > superb. That's it! Take care all...John Michael Rother's music is simple music at best. It's mostly short in duration but beautiful. It has wide variation of moods to suit to different times. Although his late album Esperanza was not as good as the previous works, and the extra tracks on the reissue of previous works were mostly mediocre dance music, his work is still highly recommended. Discography. 1976 Flammende Herzen 1977 Sterntaler 1979 Katzenmusik 1982 Fernwaerme 1983 Lust 1985 Suessherz und Tiefenschaerfe 1987 Traumreisen 1996 Esperanza Compilations: 1985? Glanzlichter 199? Radio Jeffrey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: Coming Soon... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! Well, I've just returned from my London vacation, and have been both amused and bemused by some of the discussions on the list. Especially as regards the Limited Edition CD's; more specifically, the Keep. I don't have the time or energy at the moment to engage in this lively debate; however, I _will_ be presenting a new FAQ this weekend that should make some of you very happy: THE KEEP FAQ! I will provide a brief history as well as a direct comparison between the new limited CD, the Boot and the film music itself, all cross referenced of course. This will take some time, so it may not be done until Sunday. There, will __that_ make you happy, Steve? ; ) goozer PS: The Keep Extended Version was actually originally (and only _once_, AFAIK) broadcast on NBC in 1992. Had I known it would've been with the _real_ ending, I would've taped it, both on my hi-fi stereo VCR _and_ my casette deck! But since I had the laserdisc, I didn't bother...imagine the feeling I had when the ending kept going...: ( From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 11, 1997 1:22 am Subject: meridianen Zy???? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Perhaps it is another one of those Jim and Pablo discs.... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: THE KEEP Film & Soundtrack: Which is Rarer? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Coming Soon... >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 19:11:17 -0600 (CST) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >[. . .] I _will_ be presenting a new FAQ this weekend that should make >some of you very happy: THE KEEP FAQ! I will provide a brief history as >well as a direct comparison between the new limited CD, the Boot [. . .] That's *boots*, Hermes. Don't forget the CD-R boot. ;) >[. . .] and the film music itself, all cross referenced of course. This >will take some time, so it may not be done until Sunday. There, will >__that_ make you happy, Steve? ; ) Yup! Even more than being able to use 'Nowhere--Now Here' or 'Green Desert' to enjoy a few hours with a ladyfriend! ;) >PS: The Keep Extended Version was actually originally (and only _once_, >AFAIK) broadcast on NBC in 1992. [. . .] What does 'AFAIK' mean? Well, it might have been broadcast only once on NBC in 1992, but *I* saw it broadcast on a local UFO channel, although I seem to recall it was part of a syndicated package of movies shopped to various local channels. >[. . .] Had I known it would've been with the _real_ ending, I would've >taped it, both on my hi-fi stereo VCR _and_ my casette deck! But since I >had the laserdisc, I didn't bother...imagine the feeling I had when the >ending kept going...: ( This might be 'the real ending,' but it apparently isn't the entire version of the film, since--according to the late mega-TD collector, Peter Grygorcewicz--there were at least 9 versions of the film made, many of which showed up only theatrically and some only in Europe! After reading the book, and watching the film again, Magda's comment to Molasar/Rasolom near the end of all (?) available versions of the film, 'It [the talisman] belongs to Glaeken Trismegistus, not Molasar,' implies that there is still a *whole lot of stuff* missing from the movie that we usually see when we watch THE KEEP. So, the joke is, the actual film footage is now rarer than the TD soundtrack! Ouch! :( ;) I have the end-portion music on tape. If it's not on the THE KEEP CD that Edgar just released, I'm going to be pissed, since it's the most intense music in the entire film! Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: , and BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 11, 1997 3:27 am Subject: Re: offtopic: Star Trek ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sturminatr@a... >Really-From: DJS >If you don't have one of those, send me the Edgar Froese dress-up Norseman outfit >that includes two nordic axes, a thick parka, three legs of meat, two rounds of >waxed cheese, a horned helmet and a copy of Antarktis with the limited edition >single, To Valhalla nnd Back. Thanks dude...much appreciated. That's it? Yeah, I've got a couple of them lying around somewhere.... Mr. Data, inflation factor 10...engage, B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 11, 1997 6:00 am Subject: Streethawk 12' single up fer grabs.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS If anyone is interested let me know and make an offer. I only have one. The LP itself is in great shape. The cover is a c-6 because it was a cut out. If no one replies Vic....I'll let you have it. I know you already have it but this one you can take in the shower with you heh heh heh. Regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 11, 1997 5:29 am Subject: Re: Signal to Noise Ratio, Watch out Dano & E-Man ! ;-) (freaky smiley!!!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > > Really-From: DJS > > > > > Dano, does this mean that you finally shut up ? > > > > ehhhh...not exactly dude. > > (Imagine Krauthead Yense turning the AmeriDaniZed mode on bzzzz bzzz he he) > > Hu hu hu. Did you thought I was meaning it seriously ???? Ha ha ha. Nope. > I´M JUST KIDDING. THIS WAS A JOKE. he he > > > Why thank you Jenners, Eli & I will always remember you. > > Huuuaaah - Don´t beat me. he he he I´m REALLY afraid now ;;;)))) > > BTW:Call me Yense. It roooollllss_ss_ss_s a bit better over the tongue. > wussshh. > > bzzz bzz. > > > > Maybe I´ve not enough humour. > I´M JUST KIDDING. THIS WAS A JOKE. he he > > [stuff deleted] CHOMP! CHOMP! yam yam > > Anyway, let's get back to what you love doing most jenners...let's talk > TD. > > Let's be serious man! No more jokes man! Just for you man! > > Yes. This is exactly what I was meaning, dude! > I really hate jokes, hate, hate, hate, he, he, he bzzzz bzzz > > Krauthead_Yense_goes_into_his_cellar_for_laughing > No? he he he > (Imagine Krauthead Yense turning the AmeriDaniZed mode off.) > > All the best for you :-| > > Jens uh....is this German humor? Personally I find Kraftwerk's remix of the Robots more hilarious. Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 11, 1997 5:49 am Subject: Re: Signal to Noise Ratio & Pinnacles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > Make that tight-asses. I'm getting pretty tired of these > 14-year-old-boys'-locker-room attempts at humor. Just because you don't get the humor or are, as Eli put it, a zombie doesn't mean that everyone on this list agrees. I've had numorous people on this list compliment me on livening it up. There are about 3 of you that really can't hang with a couple of witty guys coming in here and changing things...actually making them more fun. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE HUMOR...DELETE THE MESSAGE BEFORE YOU EVEN READ IT. DUH! Why even comment ?? Eli and I post serious posts and informative as well as humorous ones. We don't care if you read it or frame it. Humorous posts are > fine, but the key element in such posts is, surprisingly enough, HUMOR! humor is subjective, genius! Some people laugh at Jim Carrey...some don't! Just because you and three other guys aren't laughing doesn't mean the rest of the guys aren't. > 99 percent of the stuff the people in question have posted > hasn't been funny, it's been stupid, poorly thought-out and juvenile. Once again, your opinion...subjective and pointless. Hardly juvenile, perhaps over your head. As you said yourself, you are a strait face. > And I'm being polite. Ed & Co. are certainly good targets for parody, > especially considering their recent perfomances (or lack thereof) in the > UK. But one good message a day beats one hundred juvenile attempts at > humor. I'm done now. If that were only true. > > Just so this post isn't a total waste: > I listened to both Pinnacles and Stuntman over the weekend. Both > are ab fab. It's amazing what a difference a couple years makes. > Stuntman seems a lot like a blend of the styles of FM and Tangram. Does > anyone else think so? Pinnacles seems like it coul have been outtakes > from the Hyperborea sessions. I'm not saying that's bad, though. I think > it shows how much influence Ed had over the band. I'd like to see a solo > album from the 1990's. And wow, wasn't that informative and pertinent compared to the humor as of late?? This is the kind of redundant opinion and information I think most people on this list are tired of seeing....then again...maybe not....right Jens, Gabe? Just so this isn't a waste... I really liked Monica Froese's cover to Rubycon. ;-] > > Scott Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 11, 1997 4:16 pm Subject: The Dremas are known to you ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) You're asking the right bloke about The Dremas are known to you, as I bought a copy a couple of months back and asked the same question of the list. From what I could find out from some of our smashing chums, there was no gig in Kansas City in 1977. This record is actually a re-issue of the other well known boot Emerald Beyond. IIRC, that's from the Seattle gig (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong). Also, I paid 15 uk pounds for mine (about 38 DM I think) so 175 DM is way over the top. Hope this helps, Lawry. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8631 The Dremas are known to you John Von Pey Wed 11/12/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 11, 1997 6:47 am Subject: Free TD Stuff To Give Away Part 2!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS Okay, it's time for the second quote contest for free TD goodies. I have a TD Disky CD Picturedisc and Franke's PCH CD to give away and all you have to do to get em both is be the first one to tell me what movies these amazing quotes come from. Here comes the quotes: 1. 'Man, you better screw yer head on. Yer not just playin with your life you're playin with mine.' 2. 'See, we plan ahead....that way we aren't doing anything right now....Earl explained it to me.' 3. 'And YOU can count....on ME waiting for you in the parking lot!' 4. 'Someone's buckin for a promotion....probably that headerass Hannerhann'. 5. (and now the throwaway) 'Prisoner transfer from cell block 1138' There you have it. I'll be actually giving away some rare cool stuff in the future but I'm gonna give away my extras this time. Good luck. Regards, Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8607 Re: Free TD Stuff To Give Away Part 2!! KRAUSENECKS Tue 11/11/1997 3 KB 8608 Re: Free TD Stuff To Give Away Part 2!! DJS Tue 11/11/1997 4 KB 8650 Re: Free TD Stuff To Give Away Part 2!! DJS Thu 11/13/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 11, 1997 10:27 am Subject: Re: Oh my gawd! PACIFIC BLUE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gaza Grand Master of Gazitsu > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > Yikes, I can't believe I waited six months for THIS!!! > > I've never had the need to be critical of Chris Franke's output before > (though I realize many of you have), but this is AWFUL!!! I couldn't even > get through five minutes of it... I'm suprised there hasn't been a MAJOR > warning about this one... > > Perhaps I'll learn to like it , if I can ever bring myself to touch it > again... Still in shock...... Yeah I agree I checked it the samples on the C.Franke web site and gave up on it there and then. It sounded worse than Raven and thats BAD. cant believe this crap when u listen to the likes of klemania and the London Concert Gaza From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Re: Record fair ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: scooter@m... (John Von Pey) Hello Marcel, -=> Quoting tadream@c... to John von Pey <=- ta> Hi John, ta> I also went to Utrecht Jaarbeurs. (I'm coming from IJmuiden). ta> I also saw The Dremas are known to you, but it was way too ta> expensive for me. I mean DM 175,-!! ta> Or did you get a special price from the german guy? No, but next to the german guy was a british one, he sold this record for 15 pound :-))) Tadream on, John From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Re: Polish Postcards ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: scooter@m... (John Von Pey) Hello Vic, -=> Quoting tadream@c... to John von Pey <=- ta> There are more from 'Destination Berlin': ta> Down the Avus ta> Midnight in Bear City ta> The set contains about 20+ total, so there are many more of these from ta> the various late 80's albums. ta> I don't think they are the 'real' Polish postcards. ta> Also, each postcard is different. So you probably won't see the same ta> track on the same postcard. ta> Hope this helps! Definitely! The person who sold these to me told me he could and would get more. He'd call me first as soon as he got new ones. Thanks for the information! Tadream on, John From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 11, 1997 1:45 pm Subject: RE: Free TD Stuff To Give Away Part 2!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS 1. 'Man, you better screw yer head on. Yer not just playin with your life you're playin with mine.'DAWN OF THE DEAD 2. 'See, we plan ahead....that way we aren't doing anything right now....Earl explained it to me.'RAISING ARIZONA 3. 'And YOU can count....on ME waiting for you in the parking lot!'THREE OCLOCK HIGH 4. 'Someone's buckin for a promotion....probably that headerass Hannerhann'.-dunno 5. (and now the throwaway) 'Prisoner transfer from cell block 1138'THX 1138 HOW'D I DO? CHRISTOPHER From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 11, 1997 3:03 pm Subject: RE: Free TD Stuff To Give Away Part 2!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS No wait, 1. Dawn Of the Dead 2.Tremors 3.Three O'clock High 4.Slapshot(?) 5.Thx -1138 Howd I do Dano? Chris ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 1:47 AM To: tadream@c... Subject: Free TD Stuff To Give Away Part 2!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS Okay, it's time for the second quote contest for free TD goodies. I have a TD Disky CD Picturedisc and Franke's PCH CD to give away and all you have to do to get em both is be the first one to tell me what movies these amazing quotes come from. Here comes the quotes: 1. 'Man, you better screw yer head on. Yer not just playin with your life you're playin with mine.' 2. 'See, we plan ahead....that way we aren't doing anything right now....Earl explained it to me.' 3. 'And YOU can count....on ME waiting for you in the parking lot!' 4. 'Someone's buckin for a promotion....probably that headerass Hannerhann'. 5. (and now the throwaway) 'Prisoner transfer from cell block 1138' There you have it. I'll be actually giving away some rare cool stuff in the future but I'm gonna give away my extras this time. Good luck. Regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 11, 1997 2:32 pm Subject: PACIFIC BLUE: Torture!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- >Really-From: Michael A Jean >Yikes, I can't believe I waited six months for THIS!!! >I've never had the need to be critical of Chris Franke's output before >(though I realize many of you have), but this is AWFUL!!! I couldn't even >get through five minutes of it... I'm suprised there hasn't been a MAJOR >warning about this one... >Perhaps I'll learn to like it , if I can ever bring myself to touch it >again... Still in shock...... >MJ Holy Cow!!! You poor guy!! Subjecting yourself like that to PACIFIC BLUE! What torture! Somebody get this guy an ambulance! Hook up the IV! We need a Type O Negative donor! On the double! Kickstart his heart!!! I feel for you, dude! I would have never thought of buying that crapola, especially after RAVEN. NotRM wasn't that bad, but nonetheless, it was still just OK. I only listened to that once. E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 11, 1997 2:27 pm Subject: Tightasses: Vs. Jokers: Misunderstandings ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' <>Uh oh...here comes the tight ass, Mr Feldman. Lighten up dude. i notice <>you haven't had much to say lately anyway. >Make that tight-asses. I'm getting pretty tired of these >14-year-old-boys'-locker-room attempts at humor. Humorous posts are >fine, but the key element in such posts is, surprisingly enough, HUMOR! >99 percent of the stuff the people in question have posted >hasn't been funny, ***C'mone bruthah! Get it together! You're not just playin' with your life, you're playin' with mine!' (Ken Foree, DAWN OF THE DEAD)*** Hey, Gabriel Kaplan, 'welcome back, welcome back, welcome back!!!!' Cut us some slack: turn that '9' upside down and make it a 96! Or is 69 too much to ask? >it's been stupid, poorly thought-out and juvenile. >And I'm being polite. *yawn* Ed & Co. are certainly good targets for parody, >especially considering their recent perfomances (or lack thereof) in the >UK. But one good message a day beats one hundred juvenile attempts at >humor. I'm done now. >Really-From: Gabe Yedid >On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > <>Uh oh...here comes the tight ass, Mr feldman. Lighten up dude. > i notice > <>you haven't had much to say lately anyway. > > Make that tight-asses. I'm getting pretty tired of these > 14-year-old-boys'-locker-room attempts at humor. Humorous posts are > fine, but the key element in such posts is, surprisingly enough, HUMOR! > 99 percent of the stuff the people in question have posted > hasn't been funny, it's been stupid, poorly thought-out and juvenile. > And I'm being polite. Ed & Co. are certainly good targets for parody, > especially considering their recent perfomances (or lack thereof) in the > UK. But one good message a day beats one hundred juvenile attempts at > humor. I'm done now. Add a #3. It's so nice to know there are people on the list less tactful than I am ;). Mostly I have just been ignoring any post that comes bearing the names of these boys in the header... 'boys,' he used the term, 'boys'--so are you inferring you're actually a man? (Psst...dude, chicks like a guy with a sense of humor) (Psst...Jens, I knew you were joking...SO WAS I!!!) Let me transform myself momentarily into what you what are (and what Dano & I once were)...*ahem* 'I really like 'Sphinx Lightning. I love the way it segues from that long sequencer section and halts momentum gradually, while introducing the next movement [or what- ever] with that Middle Eastern-sounding twangy voice. The composition literally transports to inner/outer worlds whose shape and fabric is dictated by the very notes (and intervals between them) that Edgar plays during this track. I'm also deeply moved by his decision to play no guitar on this track...' *cough* Yeah, so, you guys, you really gotta shake the doo-doo outta your Levi's and take a walk on the wild side. This week, I want you to go to your friendly neighborhood import CD shop (or pick up the phone and order with your VISA/MC/) and purchase these releases for some smokin' diversions from hardcore EMusic: 1. CAST Beyond Reality OR Angels & Demons (newest release) 2. THRESHOLD Extinct Instinct (you need some prog-metal) 3. DJAM KARET The Devouring 4. GOBLIN Hits, Outtakes & Rare Tracks (much unreleased material here) 5. SPOCK'S BEARD The Light OR Beware Of Darkness Start with these, and you'll be a better man. C Ya, E-Man Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8612 Re: Tightasses: Vs. Jokers: Misunderstandings Gabe Yedid Tue 11/11/1997 3 KB 8622 Re: Tightasses: Vs. Jokers: Misunderstandings DJS Wed 11/12/1997 4 KB 8660 Re: Tightasses: Vs. Jokers: Misunderstandings Robert Grabowsky Thu 11/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 3:59 pm Subject: Re: Michael Rother ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: I'm new to the list... > Date: 1997¦~11¤ë10¤é AM 09:54 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Really-From: Lpspins@a... > > does anybody have any > Michael Rother Lp's they want to sell to me? I think his stuff is also > superb. That's it! Take care all...John Dear John I have 4 different Michael Rother's LPs. If you are interested, contact me off list for details. 1976 Flammende Herzen 1977 Sterntaler 1979 Katzenmusik 1982 Fernwaerme Jeffrey Au Yeung From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 11, 1997 4:55 pm Subject: Re: Tightasses: Vs. Jokers: Misunderstandings ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Let me just say this Eli: I *never* want to visit the parallel universe where Scott, Jens, and I are like what you and Dan are now. Some of us like to keep our TD discussions a little highbrow. Deal with it. If what you've been doing is the only way you know how, well, I think that's kind of sad. Chicks like guys with a sense of humour, that may be true. They also like guys with a sense of maturity. Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 12:06 am Subject: Dolphin Dance Live?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ashok prema Elias Granillo Jnr wrote: <> I laughed so much at the picture this conjured up! Actually, the lead played at the concert is pure mime!.....I saw them at Nottingham, and at the Bush - and again the previous Bush Concert - when it was Jerome who mimed...........the lead line is one which INVITES a musician to adapt to his own style pitch bending in a different place to give it that extra zap - I've emulated it many times - abd each time differently - it is then so suprising that it comes across each time at the concert as being IDENTICAL to the album - only possible if it came from DAT or hard disc. Initially I was terribly disappointed that so little of the concerts were actually live (the synth music that is not the drums or guitar) - but the Bush concert was enjoyed more - becauseI had got over that disappointment.......but it did make me think - how much of the 1991 or 1986 or 1982 concerts were actually live?? Certainly, Edgar, Chris, Johannes Paul H. made considerably more effort to at least give the impression that they WERE playing live - now they appear to have given up much of this pretence! The other thing is that in the days when Franke had his modular rack, the sequencer light moved along with the rhythm and would stop and start with various sequences - so somewhere along the way, there appeared to be a tie in between the music and the sequencer lights - could have been a simple triggering device - or the sequences WERE being played live and switched on and off by Franke. Also, pre -concert doodlings indicate that the machines were rigged to play at least some of the sequences during the Logos tour . I think Ms Spa would have added to the music. And Finally..........so the compilation is out - how many of those who showed an interest are going to be true to their word and buy one?? Come on guys .......don't procrastinate.......I've delivered the goods as promised....do your bit! Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8634 Re: Dolphin Dance Live?? TWeibre361@a... Wed 11/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 11, 1997 2:14 pm Subject: Re: D: <:::::[]:::::'Kamikaze 1989':::::[]:::::> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 12:59 PM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote: In making a comparison >between the music of Froese and that of, say, John Tesh, (I am perhaps >comparing apples and oranges here), but Froese's style is much more >introspective and revealing of the composer than that of Tesh. With Froese >one is tempted to say that the music is a _primary_ source of >_communication_, whereas Tesh is merely and primarily a performer. > > Comments welcome. > >Phil Naunton Ah! Phil! Exactly how I feel about Froese also. While a lot of 'new' music seems to be more an effort to display the talents (or lack of) of the performers TD has always seemed to me to be about communicating a mood, or in tne ST's, a story. I think thats why a lot of us drift into the music so deeply when listening--or perhaps engaging--in the music of TD, as opposed to merely 'listening' to other stuff. It's hard to put TD on as 'background' music. I've tried and my eggs are always burned. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 11, 1997 7:14 pm Subject: More new C. Franke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean I just picked up TRANSFORMATION of MIND over lunch... No review yet...Were we expecting this? MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8618 Re: More new C. Franke Jim Moore Wed 11/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 11, 1997 6:54 pm Subject: More new TD releases for '98 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes The electronic music newsletter 'Amazing Sounds' #40 mentions some other new TD releases in addition to The Keep and TimeSquare. They are: - The video 'Luminous Visions' by Yoichiro Kawaguchi (soundtrack by Tangerine Dream). Official release: January 1998 (Sony Music Videos). A soundtrack CD release is also planned. - Other '98 releases: 'Red Night', 'Forbidden' and 'Red Heat'. Edgar and Jemore Froese have composed the score for a experimental film about a journey on the Transsiberian Railway from Moscow to Novosebirsk. Does anyone have more info on these new releases? It seems that 1998 is going to be a very expensive year for TD fans! BTW, this same issue of 'Amazing Sounds' includes a review, CD by CD, from Klaus Schulze's Jubilee Edition. I've been receiving this newsletter via email, but it seems to be also available on the web at: http://www.amazings.com/ingles.html Antonio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 11, 1997 7:33 pm Subject: Go for Ashoks brilliant sampler ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: ashok prema > > And Finally..........so the compilation is out - how many of those who > showed an interest are going to be true to their word and buy one?? Come on > guys .......don't procrastinate.......I've delivered the goods as > promised....do your bit! I´ve bought my copy at the Dutch KLEMdag a few weaks ago and tell you what: If you´ve promised to buy one or not, just go for it! The sampler runs 69:05 and contains some of the most stunning British EM acts of the 90s. It includes 3 -let´s say- retro 70s acts: AirSculpture, Redshift and Radio Massacre International. If you love the style of TD in the 70s and don´t already know these acts you can taste their music at a low price. Wanna hear something like Ricochet part II ? Yes ? Then you´ll love the 7:32 track 'Ether' by Redshift. I´m not a huge Redshift but this track is a killer, btw. ´nuff said ? Don´t ask why.Just send an e-mail to Ash saying how much copies to you wanna have ;-) Regards Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 11, 1997 9:12 pm Subject: Re: More new C. Franke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim Moore' > I just picked up TRANSFORMATION of MIND over lunch... > No review yet...Were we expecting this? It's been on the SI page for a while, but without a release date... It be very interested in a review, especially after what happened with Pacific Blue... - jimbo 'And always remember the last words of my grandfather, who said, 'A truck!' ' --Emo Phillips 'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: AMBIENT M, KEEP, TIMESQUARE--not! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Tightasses: Vs. Jokers: Misunderstandings >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 06:27:33 -0800 >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > >>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > <>Uh oh...here comes the tight ass, Mr Feldman. Lighten up dude. Hey, you passed up a joke, there. You could have said, 'Loosen up dude,' in reference to the 'tight ass' comment. Then you'd have us on the run(s). X-0 (That was a dose of your own medicine: 'crappy' humor.) > <>i notice you haven't had much to say lately anyway. Outside of what I've said about AMBIENT MONKEYS, THE KEEP, and TIMESQUARE, you mean? Oops, I forgot: you skip the relevant posts to this list in favor of feedback on your two-man fanclub. >>>Really-From: Gabe Yedid >>>On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: >> >>> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>> >>> <>Uh oh...here comes the tight ass, Mr feldman. Lighten up dude. Nice to see you took advantage of using this charming phrase twice in the same post. >>> Make that tight-asses. I'm getting pretty tired of these >>>14-year-old-boys'-locker-room attempts at humor. [. . .] >> >>Add a #3. It's so nice to know there are people on the list less tactful >>than I am ;). I guess you guys don't really know me that well. ;) When I referred to what Dano and Eli had/have/might have to say as irrelevant, I have a feeling neither of them really understood the enormity of my statement nor the level of irrelevancy I was talking about. In other words, children should be seen and not heard. Heh heh heh. >>Mostly I have just been ignoring any post that comes bearing >>the names of these boys in the header... > >'boys,' he used the term, 'boys'--so are you inferring you're actually a >man? (Psst...dude, chicks like a guy with a sense of humor) Yeah, well, I remember that in my neighborhood, there was a real 'funny guy' who actually went so far as to hang kotexes from the branches of a tree in front of a bank--waiting for unsuspecting pulchritudinous women to pass by, whereupon he would ask them if they'd like to help him use these. And as regards the gulf between boys and men, I don't think anyone here really wants to hear my thoughts about what interest in electronic music--as opposed to other types of music--implies about one's abilities to interact with not only other people but the world at large. >*cough* Yeah, so, you guys, you really gotta shake the doo-doo outta your >Levi's and take a walk on the wild side. [. . .] Been there, done that. I'm 39 years old. If I want to relive my youth, I'll examine my conscience, not listen to you two 'wits' parade your immaturity. Almost 7 years ago, I started a listserv list with the express purpose of avoiding the sort of useless wastes of time your posts generally are. It worked. The offending list gets about 70 posts per day, most of which are infantile flames, whereas what was once my list (I've since turned it over to others) gets about 12. It is self- policed, and most people are greatful for it. (The list concerns Japanese animation. Odd how people into 'cartoons' have more restraint than folk into e-music.) -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8620 Re: AMBIENT M, KEEP, TIMESQUARE--not! Steven Feldman Wed 11/12/1997 8 KB 8623 Re: AMBIENT M, KEEP, TIMESQUARE--not! DJS Wed 11/12/1997 3 KB 8663 Re: AMBIENT M, KEEP, TIMESQUARE--not! Robert Grabowsky Thu 11/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 2:55 am Subject: RE: AMBIENT M, KEEP, TIMESQUARE--not! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Hi gang, ok- since I read EVERY thing on this list, TD or not I gotta voice my -er-voice. This whole debate on juvinile humor has gotten way nutty. I am also guilty of a silly comment every now and then, but one invited a -I FELT-somewhat harsh response fom Mr.E-man. Now my comment'LATE LONELY NITE >Subject: Tightasses: Vs. Jokers: Misunderstandings >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 06:27:33 -0800 >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > >>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > <>Uh oh...here comes the tight ass, Mr Feldman. Lighten up dude. Hey, you passed up a joke, there. You could have said, 'Loosen up dude,' in reference to the 'tight ass' comment. Then you'd have us on the run(s). X-0 (That was a dose of your own medicine: 'crappy' humor.) > <>i notice you haven't had much to say lately anyway. Outside of what I've said about AMBIENT MONKEYS, THE KEEP, and TIMESQUARE, you mean? Oops, I forgot: you skip the relevant posts to this list in favor of feedback on your two-man fanclub. >>>Really-From: Gabe Yedid >>>On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: >> >>> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>> >>> <>Uh oh...here comes the tight ass, Mr feldman. Lighten up dude. Nice to see you took advantage of using this charming phrase twice in the same post. >>> Make that tight-asses. I'm getting pretty tired of these >>>14-year-old-boys'-locker-room attempts at humor. [. . .] >> >>Add a #3. It's so nice to know there are people on the list less tactful >>than I am ;). I guess you guys don't really know me that well. ;) When I referred to what Dano and Eli had/have/might have to say as irrelevant, I have a feeling neither of them really understood the enormity of my statement nor the level of irrelevancy I was talking about. In other words, children should be seen and not heard. Heh heh heh. >>Mostly I have just been ignoring any post that comes bearing >>the names of these boys in the header... > >'boys,' he used the term, 'boys'--so are you inferring you're actually a >man? (Psst...dude, chicks like a guy with a sense of humor) Yeah, well, I remember that in my neighborhood, there was a real 'funny guy' who actually went so far as to hang kotexes from the branches of a tree in front of a bank--waiting for unsuspecting pulchritudinous women to pass by, whereupon he would ask them if they'd like to help him use these. And as regards the gulf between boys and men, I don't think anyone here really wants to hear my thoughts about what interest in electronic music--as opposed to other types of music--implies about one's abilities to interact with not only other people but the world at large. >*cough* Yeah, so, you guys, you really gotta shake the doo-doo outta your >Levi's and take a walk on the wild side. [. . .] Been there, done that. I'm 39 years old. If I want to relive my youth, I'll examine my conscience, not listen to you two 'wits' parade your immaturity. Almost 7 years ago, I started a listserv list with the express purpose of avoiding the sort of useless wastes of time your posts generally are. It worked. The offending list gets about 70 posts per day, most of which are infantile flames, whereas what was once my list (I've since turned it over to others) gets about 12. It is self- policed, and most people are greatful for it. (The list concerns Japanese animation. Odd how people into 'cartoons' have more restraint than folk into e-music.) -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 4:54 pm Subject: Regarding 'Juvenile Humor' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' OK, guys, regarding the 'atrocious juvenile humor' inconsiderably committed by myself and Dano, here's what I have to say: TO: (individually) KRAUSENECKS aka Chris: don't worry, man, I was joking around, too. 'Moron' is a term I use most liberally. I know you were joking around, too. You seem like a cool guy. I'll suggest that Dano just GIVE you those items. The parking lot (quote #3) one is a little tough, eh? GABE YEDID: DUDE...go take a valium. Get some bedrest. You're getting way too wrapped up in this. Sheesh (haha). As for your psychosis,...YOU deal with it. And don't give ME advice on what chicks like (haha the funniest part of your post)--you don't know me, and you don't the honeys I've serviced. Just ask Dan, heh heh. And I'm NOT smug about it, either. SCOTT PLUMER: 'Ditto,' maybe? Actually, I really don't give a damn. STEVE FELDMAN: OK, Steve, you've had your say. I'm not going to comment much on it. We can all post what we want. Look, if you see my name or Dan's in the header, just point to DELETE and click. Don't read the post if you don't want to. Nobody makes you read anything; you read them because you WANT to. I personally think you've enjoyed commenting on these matters. Dan and I aren't going anywhere, nor are we offended that you guys have been so affected by our posts. There isn't really anything more to say about these matters, so, to Gabe, Scott, and yourself, 'Hasta la vista, babeeeeeeee....' Sincerely, E-Man Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8624 Re: Regarding 'Juvenile Humor' Ken Alexander Wed 11/12/1997 2 KB 8662 Re: Regarding 'Juvenile Humor' Robert Grabowsky Thu 11/13/1997 3 KB 8633 Re: Regarding 'Juvenile Humor' Marshall Wood Wed 11/12/1997 3 KB 8664 Re: Regarding 'Juvenile Humor' Robert Grabowsky Thu 11/13/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 5:53 am Subject: Re: Tightasses: Vs. Jokers: Misunderstandings ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > Let me just say this Eli: I *never* want to visit the parallel universe > where Scott, Jens, and I are like what you and Dan are now. > > Some of us like to keep our TD discussions a little highbrow. Deal with it. > If what you've been doing is the only way you know how, well, I think > that's kind of sad. > > Chicks like guys with a sense of humour, that may be true. They also like > guys with a sense of maturity. > > Gabe > > real email addresses: gabe@c... > gyedid@p... Hey Gabe...I thought you didn't read our posts. Yeeehahahahaha!!! Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8660 Re: Tightasses: Vs. Jokers: Misunderstandings Robert Grabowsky Thu 11/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 5:59 am Subject: Re: AMBIENT M, KEEP, TIMESQUARE--not! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS It worked. The offending list gets about 70 posts > per day, most of which are infantile flames, whereas what was once my > list (I've since turned it over to others) gets about 12. It is self- > policed, and most people are greatful for it. (The list concerns > Japanese animation. Odd how people into 'cartoons' have more restraint > than folk into e-music.) > > -- Steven Feldman Sorry Steve...I didn't realize you were such an old fart. My mistake. By the way, I work with the largest Animation mail order store in the nation...perhaps the world...and I've met thousands of anime fans...and not ONE has been as much of a humorless sourpuss such as yourself...and that's sad. I've seen people I'd rather associate with at furry cons than such a person as yourself...and that's the saddest part. Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8663 Re: AMBIENT M, KEEP, TIMESQUARE--not! Robert Grabowsky Thu 11/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 5:31 am Subject: Re: Regarding 'Juvenile Humor' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ken Alexander That's it, I'm outta here. Somebody let me know if E-Man and Dano ever get uns*bscribed. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8662 Re: Regarding 'Juvenile Humor' Robert Grabowsky Thu 11/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 7:37 pm Subject: New releases ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' - Other '98 releases: 'Red Night', ORGASMOTRON! > 'Forbidden' Never heard it. Was told it wasn't that great. But since it's from the Schmoelling-era, I know I'll be purchasing it! >and 'Red Heat'. ORGASMOTRON PLUS!!! Killer!!! >Edgar and Jerome...have composed the score for a experimental film about a >journey on the Transsiberian Railway from Moscow to Novosebirsk. Sounds good. Maybe they'll 'experiment,' too, and we'll hear some good results instead of ROCTIDES-TYRANNYCLUB Part XVIII. >Does anyone have more info on these new releases? It seems that 1998 is >going to be a very expensive year for TD fans! >BTW, this same issue of 'Amazing Sounds' includes a review, CD by CD, >from Klaus Schulze's Jubilee Edition. I've been receiving this >newsletter via email, but it seems to be also available on the web at: >http://www.amazings.com/ingles.html >Antonio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 7:43 pm Subject: Regarding Juvenile Humor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 5:31 pm Subject: The funny postings ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) >Sorry Steve...I didn't realize you were such an old fart. My mistake. >By the way, I work with the largest Animation mail order store in the >nation...perhaps the world...and I've met thousands of anime fans...and >not ONE has been as much of a humorless sourpuss such as yourself...and >that's sad. I've seen people I'd rather associate with at furry cons >than such a person as yourself...and that's the saddest part. > >Dano Well, Beavis, I think Steven has 100 times more humor than you do. Strange, isn't it? The point is that humor is a very subjective thing. Ok, so you and Butthead have obviously seen 'Wayne's World' and 'Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure' a few too many times. And anybody who has a different sense of humor must automatically be a sourpuss, right? Actually, you are the one who is a sad sourpuss because you didn't even get the humor of Jens (Yense) at all. You sad bastard, get a life and lighten up, where is your sense of humor, man? One thing you should keep in mind, though: This mailing list is a very international forum, and not just full of Californians. There are very big gaps in culture, and humor is a very important part of what defines a culture. You have no right to call other people names because they find other things more funny than your posts. I for one actually didn't mind your postings and those of Butthead that much, but the fact that you can't accept any criticism and immediately dish out shows me that you two really don't have *any* sense of humor! For example in my culture (Germany), laughing about oneself and making fun of oneself is considered a very creative form of humor. Score for Dano and E-Man in this category: 0. I think it would be nice if you two realize that we are here mainly for TD. If we want to read funny things, we can go on the usenet and read anything from 'alt.humor' to 'alt.sick.perverted.jokes' depending on taste. An occasional funny post is great (for example Lars Jones has proven to be a master of *intelligent* humor). But to read the 26th 'funny' tracklist, ha ha, of a 'new' TD album is really beating an old joke to death, there is nothing funny about that anymore, unless you live in California and didn't get the joke the first 25 times around... Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8632 Re: The funny postings Gabe Yedid Wed 11/12/1997 3 KB 8641 Just say No Sean Montgomery Wed 11/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 6:40 pm Subject: My 2 cents ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) Well, if there's going to be a tightass convention, count me in too. Beavis and Butthead's humour is old hat now. Boring indeed. It's a travesty that people feel they have to leave the list, not because they've gone sour on TD, but because they're sick of juvenile comments. Don't begin to think I haven't a sense of humour either, many things make me laugh, but not this. I must admit to having smiled a few times to some of your posts, but this relentless tirade is becoming tiresome. How about taking a rest for a few days to give us all a break? :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8649 Re: My 2 cents Gerry Fox Thu 11/13/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 12:35 pm Subject: Re: Signal to Noise Ratio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dn3 On Sun, 09 Nov 1997 21:06:50 -0800 tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: DJS > > > Uh oh...here comes the tight ass, Mr feldman. Lighten up dude. i notice > you haven't had much to say lately anyway. > > Dan Don't you reckon that the recent silence of formerly more active members could have something to do with them getting pi**ed of about having to go through the tedious procedure of deleting tons of silly, meaningless messages every day before they find something interesting - and then, they know that when they send a reply (a) no-one will respond because they're all busy deleting silly, meaningless messages, or (b) it will get 'humorised' and the meaning diluted by the comments of people who want to have fun on the list through what seems to be making fun _of_ the list. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 12:39 pm Subject: Re: so Dream Mixes 2 is, in fact, a remix album? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dn3 On Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:21:51 -0500 (EST) tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > Dennis, are we to infer from your comment about 'Mobocaster' being > 'Twilight Brigade' in disguise, that the rest of _DM2_ is really remixes of > recent stuff, just under new titles? (with the obvious case omitted) 'Mobocaster' is definitely 'Twilight Brigade'. I don't know whether the rest of Time Square is derived from other compositions - some bits sound familiar, but the approach seems to be quite subtle. I'll have to listen carefully once I've got the time. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: The Dremas are known to you ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: scooter@m... (John Von Pey) Hello Lawry, -=> Quoting tadream@c... to John von Pey <=- ta> You're asking the right bloke about The Dremas are known to you, as I ta> bought a copy a couple of months back and asked the same question of ta> the list. ta> From what I could find out from some of our smashing chums, there was ta> no gig in Kansas City in 1977. This record is actually a re-issue of ta> the other well known boot Emerald Beyond. IIRC, that's from the ta> Seattle gig (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong). First, thanks for the information. But I've got new info to. Yesterday I compared the recordings I made of The dremas are known to you and Die Meridianen von Zymbiola. They are both exactly the same. And after listening to the audience noises I even can say I'm sure they are the same pressing! But Die meridianen von zymbiola states on the cover that the concert was in Seattle. I now have to compare these recordings with The Emerald Beyond it seems..... ta> Also, I paid 15 uk pounds for mine (about 38 DM I think) so 175 DM is ta> way over the top. This makes you think about prices on record fairs don't you? ta> Hope this helps, It surely did. Tadream on, John ta> -!- WtrGate+ v0.93.p2 sn 49 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 3:36 pm Subject: Re: The funny postings ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) > > > Well, Beavis, I think Steven has 100 times more humor than you do. > Strange, isn't it? The point is that humor is a very subjective > thing. Ok, so you and Butthead have obviously seen 'Wayne's World' and Durn, Hilmar, ya beat me to the punch. Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 3:51 pm Subject: Re: Regarding 'Juvenile Humor' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Marshall Wood Ken Alexander said, just before waving goodbye: >That's it, I'm outta here. Somebody let me know if E-Man and Dano >ever get uns*bscribed. Ditto. If I want to read that kind of crap all day, I'll go to some AOL chat room. The only time I laughed was when one of those guys recommended a Spock's Beard album. Another humorless tightassed sourpuss, MWood From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 4:30 pm Subject: Re: Dolphin Dance Live?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-11-11 14:24:11 EST, you write: << And Finally..........so the compilation is out - how many of those who showed an interest are going to be true to their word and buy one?? Come on guys .......don't procrastinate.......I've delivered the goods as promised....do your bit! >> whats the details on this? thanks...tom w np: bill nelson - the two~fold aspect of everything From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 3:59 pm Subject: Flashpoint CD changes hand for GBP50 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Hello For those who assemble archival material - The book 'The Complete Introduction To Record Collecting', compiled by Record Collector, includes an entry regarding Tangerine Dream. Pages 44-45 on CD albums mention that TD's Flashpoint CD (Heavy Metal HMXCD 29 - note: should be HMI XD 29) worths GBP50. On page 44 the text reads 'this soundtrack from the German veterans was issued when CD sales were still low, and was soon deleted'. On page 45 is a photo of Froese, Franke and Baumann in the studio with the caption 'Tangerine Dream, whose 1985 'Flashpoint' CD album currently changes hands for GBP50'. The writer seems to presume that the high price was due to the fact that 'CD sales were low', not being aware of the situation where a large proportion of the CDs are defective, as per 'Voices In The Dunes', so that good copies are very scarce. Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8643 Re: Flashpoint CD changes hand for GBP50 Plumer, Scott Wed 11/12/1997 3 KB 8658 Re: Flashpoint CD changes hand for GBP50 DJS Thu 11/13/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 4:51 pm Subject: Spock's Beard (Was: RE: Regarding 'Juvenile Humor' ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >some AOL chat room. The only time I laughed was when one of those >guys recommended a Spock's Beard album. What's wrong with Spock's Beard? Check out their hompage at: http://www.altura.com/jordanz/spocks_beard/ Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 5:10 pm Subject: RE: Signal to Noise Ratio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' . . . >> from the Hyperborea sessions. I'm not saying that's bad, though. I think >> it shows how much influence Ed had over the band. I'd like to see a solo >> album from the 1990's. >And wow, wasn't that informative and pertinent compared to the humor as >of late?? This is the kind of redundant opinion and information I think >most people on this list are tired of seeing....then again...maybe >not....right Jens, Gabe? Well, what the hell is the list for?!?!? If you'd bothered to read the list, you'd notice that we've had an ongoing discussion for over a year where we've discussed every TD (remember them?) album, then started every solo album. This week the topic of discussion is Pinnacles, so that's what _I_ was talking about. You might have contributed by discussing whether you saw elements of Hyperborea in Pinnacles or FM in Stuntman. Concurring with or refuting my opinion. I'm sure the silent majority of this list is tired of seeing what songs we should wipe our asses to. As for me, I'll wipe my ass with your messages, since that's about how good the 'humor' on them is. Watch a lot of 'Beavis & Butthead,' eh? Don't you need to get up early for junior high? Or are you a drop-out? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 5:27 pm Subject: Burn, Heretic, Burn! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...> E-man, about your comments: >> We can all post what we want. Look, if you see my name >>or Dan's in the header, just point to DELETE and click. Don't >>read the post if you don't want to. Nobody makes you read >>anything; you read them because you WANT to. Well, y'know, you're wrong. One thing to keep in mind, which I'm sure you're aware of: There are two versions of this list, the bounce version and the digest version. Not all of us (such as yours truly) can keep up with the bounce version dumping 30 messages a day into our email inboxes, so we subscribe to digest mode and get all the tadream e-mails as one big lump every day. Thing is, if we want to stay tadream subscribers, we don't have a choice but to look at all the messages on digest to figure out which ones are relevant, and which ones are shit. I, myself, don't appreciate receiving a 68K file every day filled with 65K of pathetic attempts at crude/vulgar/homophobic humor and 3K of TD content. I subscribe to tadream, not surprisingly, for the TD content, and sure don't mind tasteful, relevant humor, but I have to say that the maturity level of a lot of the posts I've seen lately is pretty close to, well, zero. IMO: If I wanted to read this kind of kiddie crap, I'd subscribe to the High-School-Locker-Room-Bullshit mailing list. Plenty of other list members, I'm sure, have grown well beyond that stage of their lives. In time, I suppose, you two will too. :-) This list works (or used to work) because its members have traditionally used a bit of discretion in their posts and tried (and usually succeeded) in keeping the discussion out of the gutter. Not to speak for the collective conscience of the list, but I would think we should all aspire to at LEAST maintain minimal standards of discretion and some semblance of good taste in our public lives. Anyone else care to join the crusade for a better tadream? I'll be passing out the lit torches and shotguns in a few minutes to anyone interested. :-p --John 'I'm a Holier-Than-Thou Bastard and Proud of It' B. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8640 Re: Burn, Heretic, Burn! Vincent Goudreault Wed 11/12/1997 3 KB 8665 Re: Burn, Heretic, Burn! Robert Grabowsky Thu 11/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 5:33 pm Subject: Administrivia: Complaints About this list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: datta@c... (David Datta) I am saddened by the current state of this list. I would like to think that the people on this list are of a higher class than the rest of the internet lists and forums. Unfortunately, there are several people on this list who seem to think idiotic behaviour and crass humour is fun. It is also unfortunate that this behaviour is on-topic and about Tangerine Dream. If I am to be held to my own standards, I won't censor them. There has never before been a time in the last 7 years that I have been running lists that I have wished that I set up rules to specifically stop juvenile actions. I don't want to even try to define such rules. I don't like even the idea of censorship. At this point, I feel I have 3 options. 1. Maintain my non-censorship stance and let things degenerate. 2. Change the rules and kick the offending members off and filter all of their mails from the list. 3. Simply shut down the list and not deal with the question. My inclination right this minute is option 3. To several list members: Please, please, please stop. Cool it. Please bring yourselves out of the gutter and try and make this list what it once was, a place for information and civil discussion. Consider carefully what you are posting before you post it. Do you want to be known as list destroyers or participants? There have been several polite requests from other list members, please take their advice. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8642 Re: Administrivia: Complaints About this list. Plumer, Scott Wed 11/12/1997 2 KB 8651 Re: Administrivia: Complaints About this list. feldon@p... Thu 11/13/1997 6 KB 8666 Re: Administrivia: Complaints About this list. TangerineC@a... Thu 11/13/1997 2 KB 8679 Re: Administrivia: Complaints About this list. Plumer, Scott Thu 11/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 6:13 pm Subject: Re: Burn, Heretic, Burn! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Thank you John, for precisely expressing my feelings. My silence should be interpreted as support to those who still consider this a forum to discuss Tangerine Dream (and related artists), not for pre-pubescent teen-agers and their lame conception of what humor is. Having been on this list for quite some time, those young dude should understand that most of us have 'been around' and that their childish attempts at humor have all been done before, and that we are no longer amused. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 6:17 pm Subject: Just say No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Well, Beavis, I think Steven has 100 times more humor than you do. > Strange, isn't it? The point is that humor is a very subjective > thing. I'm glad that *someone* is willing to make a reasonable argument here. So far, I have responded to the 'junk' postings the same way I respond to Howard Stern: I pay no attention. I have thrown out about 90% of my messages from the tadream list this week, on the basis of the subject header alone. Soon, everyone will do this, and the armpit fart humour will find an audience somewhere else. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'A paranoiac is someone in possession of the facts' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 6:44 pm Subject: RE: Administrivia: Complaints About this list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > Please, please, please stop. Cool it. Please bring yourselves Agreed. I'll leave it alone. I apologize for contributing to fracas. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 6:42 pm Subject: RE: Flashpoint CD changes hand for GBP50 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >worths GBP50. On page 44 the text reads 'this soundtrack from the German >veterans was issued when CD sales were still low, and was soon deleted'. On >page 45 is a photo of Froese, Franke and Baumann in the studio with the >caption 'Tangerine Dream, whose 1985 'Flashpoint' CD album currently >changes hands for GBP50'. Yow! CDNow has 'em for about $13. US releases, I'm sure. (So, am I going to the butt of brilliant riposte by E-Boy and Dan-0 from this post?) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 7:20 pm Subject: transformation of mind ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Short review: The music is sweet and serene, similar to Celestine Prophecy but with less world music elements. The disc is about 45 minutes long, with and additional 50 minutes worth of multi-media material. Unfortunately every track has Deepak talking about a lot of mumbo jumbo like 'Everyone has the right to consider themselves the center of the cosmos (indian accent & all). A welcome relief to Pacific Blue nonetheless.... MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8653 Re: transformation of mind Jim Moore Thu 11/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 3:49 am Subject: Dennis & Lawry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' ***Excerpts of responses from Dennis, Lawry & Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 4:07 am Subject: Hilmar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' (Hilmar said) >Well, Beavis[in reference to Dano] I think Steven has 100 times more humor than you do. Strange, isn't it? The point is that humor is a very subjective You mean OBjective >thing. Ok, so you and Butthead have obviously seen 'Wayne's World' and >'Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure' a few too many times. Only once and twice, respectively. >And anybody who has a different sense of humor must automatically be a sourpuss, right? Actually, you are the one who is a sad sourpuss because you >didn't even get the humor of Jens (Yense) at all. You sad bastard, get >a life and lighten up, where is your sense of humor, man? You're talking to Dano at this point so far, but I'll comment: Jens is a really funny guy, and yes, we DID get his joke. So you can sleep comfortably at night, now. >One thing you should keep in mind, though: This mailing list is a very >international forum, and not just full of Californians. There are very >big gaps in culture, and humor is a very important part of what >defines a culture. You have no right to call other people names >because they find other things more funny than your posts. I for one >actually didn't mind your postings and those of Butthead that much, >but the fact that you can't accept any criticism and immediately dish >out shows me that you two really don't have *any* sense of humor! You're still talking to Dano, but you referred to both of us in that last statement. #1: of course it's an international forum. How lame for you to think we wouldn't know that, especially with a band like Tangerine Dream. #2: Of course there's not just Calif's here, but let me tell you something, Hilmar: Calif has become a virtually melting pot of cultures, and many Europeans, Africans Asians and South Americans travel (or even move) to Calif. I've known many different individuals from these cultures, so I'm not the ignoramus you think I am. You probably think I'm Caucasian, don't you? Why don't you do some research on my surname...By the way, Dan is German. >For example in my culture (Germany), laughing about oneself and making >fun of oneself is considered a very creative form of humor. Score for >Dano and E-Man in this category: 0. How strange. That 'brand' of humor has run rampant here in the Western United States for as long as I can remember. We make more jokes about ourselves than others by a wide margin,a very wide one. >I think it would be nice if you two realize that we are here mainly >for TD. If we want to read funny things, we can go on the usenet and >read anything from 'alt.humor' to 'alt.sick.perverted.jokes' >depending on taste. An occasional funny post is great (for example >Lars Jones has proven to be a master of *intelligent* humor). But to >read the 26th 'funny' tracklist, ha ha, of a 'new' TD album is really >beating an old joke to death, there is nothing funny about that >anymore, unless you live in California and didn't get the joke the >first 25 times around... Haven't posted any 'new' albums/tracklists, for a bit, my friend. E-Man >Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 8:18 am Subject: Msg To Datta ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 8:56 pm Subject: Tatort Tracks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Hello, Tangerinies, I need some information about the tatort tracks; this is what I know: 'Daydream', 'Moorland' feature in Miriam episode ('Daydream' is the main title) Wavelength 'Airshaft', 'Alley Walk' also feature in Miriam 'Das Madchen auf der Treppe' is another episode 'I Just want to rule my own life without you' is another tatort track. Is this complete? Can anyone add information about this? Jose Fernandez wrote once about 'Die Melodie Aus Dem Gleichnamigen Tatort' What's the contents of this single? Hope that helps any other... Fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8652 Re: Tatort Tracks Jens Peschke Thu 11/13/1997 3 KB 8668 Re: Tatort Tracks Hilmar Kraft Thu 11/13/1997 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 9:13 pm Subject: Re: My 2 cents ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gerry Fox' > Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) > > > > Well, if there's going to be a tightass convention, count me in too. > Beavis and Butthead's humour is old hat now. Boring indeed. It's > a travesty that people feel they have to leave the list, not because > they've gone sour on TD, but because they're sick of juvenile comments. > > Don't begin to think I haven't a sense of humour either, many things > make me laugh, but not this. I must admit to having smiled a few times > to some of your posts, but this relentless tirade is becoming tiresome. > > How about taking a rest for a few days to give us all a break? :-) As a constant reader of the postings on this list and occassional contributor I am in agreement with the above sentiments. I was sorry to see someone leave the list due to the increaseingly vitriolic comments by a couple of, shall we say, misfits? But is that not what they want ?. They are employing what they think is anarchic humour, and anarchy is designed to upset the status quo. I am sure they are happy at what they have achieved. I am not a sourpuss, I like humour just as much as the next person, and there has been some fine, intelligent, relevant and subtle humour on this list over the year or so that I have subscribed. I will continue to stay with the list and the kids will get fed up and go away and annoy some other group, and the rest of us will continue with enjoying and discussing TD. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 9:10 pm Subject: RE: Free TD Stuff To Give Away Part 2!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS 3. 'And YOU can count....on ME waiting for you in the parking lot!' BREAKFAST CLUB?? I NEED A HINT ON 4.-IM LOST ON THIS ONE! CHRIS ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 1:47 AM To: tadream@c... Subject: Free TD Stuff To Give Away Part 2!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS Okay, it's time for the second quote contest for free TD goodies. I have a TD Disky CD Picturedisc and Franke's PCH CD to give away and all you have to do to get em both is be the first one to tell me what movies these amazing quotes come from. Here comes the quotes: 1. 'Man, you better screw yer head on. Yer not just playin with your life you're playin with mine.' 2. 'See, we plan ahead....that way we aren't doing anything right now....Earl explained it to me.' 3. 'And YOU can count....on ME waiting for you in the parking lot!' 4. 'Someone's buckin for a promotion....probably that headerass Hannerhann'. 5. (and now the throwaway) 'Prisoner transfer from cell block 1138' There you have it. I'll be actually giving away some rare cool stuff in the future but I'm gonna give away my extras this time. Good luck. Regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 10:10 pm Subject: Re: Administrivia: Complaints About this list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:33 AM 11/12/97 -0600, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: datta@c... (David Datta) > > >I am saddened by the current state of this list. I would like to think >that the people on this list are of a higher class than the rest of the >internet lists and forums. Unfortunately, there are several people on >this list who seem to think idiotic behaviour and crass humour is fun. It never works this way, Mr. Datta. Unfortunately, some filtering is necessary in every list, group, and organization. >It is also unfortunate that this behaviour is on-topic and about >Tangerine Dream. If I am to be held to my own standards, I won't censor >them. There has never before been a time in the last 7 years that I >have been running lists that I have wished that I set up rules to >specifically stop juvenile actions. I don't want to even try to define >such rules. I don't like even the idea of censorship. There will always be someone who doesn't deserve to be part of a group. The only right thing to do it to take them out swiftly after 2 warnings. Am I sounding harsh? I am sorry if I am, but having put up with such garbage in the past, solutions are limited. >At this point, I feel I have 3 options. 1. Maintain my non-censorship >stance and let things degenerate. You don't leave graffiti on a wall when you hold a paint can in your hand do you? Why let things degenerate on the TD list? >2. Change the rules and kick the >offending members off and filter all of their mails from the list. >3. Simply shut down the list and not deal with the question. >My inclination right this minute is option 3. If you are seriously considering option #3, then we need a moderated list and I am volunteering to run it. This would be unfortunte, since I think you, Dave, are integral to making this whole thing work, but I'll do it if I have to. We, the fans of Tangerine Dream will not choose or accept to be without a list. If you need a filter, (frankly, I think every organization needs an e-mail filter), then I volunteer. The software to run a mailing list is shareware and I've used such software before. I will *make* time to run such a list. I am a firm believer in 'solving problems'. Now whatever connotation you want to read from that is fine, but I take out the garbage and keep things operating smoothly. And, yes, that may involve kicking people off the list. In my job, if something doesn't fit, you take it out. You don't try to live with it. Why force ourselves to cope with idiocy, when the 'remove' button is so close and so easy. It's not censorship, it's not controlling information, it's called problem solving. Anyone here who has used IRC (Internet Relay Chat), knows that about 30% of the people on IRC are complete scum who you would NEVER want to meet in person. I operate 2 chat channels on IRC, and the list of people banned from those channels it at 30 people and growing every day. I don't feel guilt. I am happy, because the people who have fair, objective comments about the topic feel comfortable staying, knowing that the troublemakers will be removed. The traffic on the tadream mailing list is unbelievable the last 2 weeks. I have about 400 unread messages from the list. If a lot of this is off-topic or off-color, then it's unfortunate, and I'm going to privately e-mail the individual troublemakers. Morgan Marks feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 10:42 pm Subject: Re: Tatort Tracks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: FredYargui@a... > Jose Fernandez wrote once about 'Die Melodie Aus Dem Gleichnamigen Tatort' > What's the contents of this single? 'Die Melodie aus dem gleichnamigen Tatort' (The melody from the 'scene of crime' (Tatort) with the same title) is 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' (The girl on the stairs). That single includes some of the tracks you already mentioned (Flock, etc) too, IIRR. Hope this helps Scene_of_crime_watcher Jens P.S.: Someone (what´s his face?) has asked about the music of the new Schimanski (aka Goetz George) 'Tatort' (scene of crime) series. I´ve watched the 1st film last sunday. Although the score has been electronic it wasn´t made by TD. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 12, 1997 11:58 pm Subject: RE: transformation of mind ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jim Moore > The music is sweet and serene, similar to Celestine Prophecy but with less > world music elements. The disc is about 45 minutes long, with and > additional 50 minutes worth of multi-media material. Unfortunately every > track has Deepak talking about a lot of mumbo jumbo like 'Everyone has the > right to consider themselves the center of the cosmos (indian accent & > all). A welcome relief to Pacific Blue nonetheless.... How much talking? 10% 25% 50%? - jimbo 'I object to all this sex on the television... I keep falling off!' -- Graham Chapman 'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: D:KAMIKAZE 1989 & PINNACLES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Sigh, because of the all the ruckus, I wasn't able to rant a little bit about KAMIKAZE 1989. I was surprised that someone didn't like like 'Airshaft' (WAVELENGTH)--and that is because I usually equate 'Airshaft' to 'Krismopompas' (KAMIKAZE 1989) insofar as both seem to have dissonant clanging sounds in a style similar to 'Testlab' (FIRESTARTER) yet more ominous. Besides, I think the following album pairs hold up well: o WAVELENGTH and KAMIKAZE 1989 (both from 1983) o HYPERBOREA and PINNACLES (both from 1983) o THE KEEP and THE PARK IS MINE (1983/4 and 1984) Besides 'Krismopompas,' I think 'Vitamin C' is a really good track off KAMIKAZE 1989, and then there's . . . 'Snake Bath'! I don't think there are too many TD-related tracks better than this. I look at this tune as sort of a laid-back version of 'Mothers of Rain' (OPTICAL RACE), despite the fact that 'Berlin Summer Nights' (DESTINATION BERLIN), too, is a laid-back version of 'Mothers of Rain.' I made a 'music video' on Super-8 film for a film class using 'Snake Bath,' and the results were quite pleasing. PINNACLES was one of my all-time fave TD-related albums for a long time . . . then, about ten years later, I found that the big riff that constitutes the first ten minutes of the title track was a little too pat if one listens closely to the melody of the sequencer in the fore- ground. Then again, the opening track (I think it's 'Specific Gravity of Smile')--with its duelling water droplet samplings and synth droplets --is an amazing companion for the title track of Edgar's AQUA! Even though I now like 'Sphinx Lightning' (HYPERBOREA) more than 'Pinnacles,' 'Pinnacles' is still a wonderful track--as long, propulsive and evocative as 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' (FORCE MAJEURE) in some ways. I used to use a tape of 'Ricochet Pt. II,' 'Madrigal Meridian,' 'Tangram Pt. II' and 'Pinnacles' to lend to folks who thought TD was just a bunch of New Age hooey or second-rate Pink Floyd casualties. Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: , and BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8684 Re: D:KAMIKAZE 1989 & PINNACLES Gabe Yedid Thu 11/13/1997 7 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 1:42 pm Subject: FLASHPOINT CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >>veterans was issued when CD sales were still low, and was soon deleted'. On >>page 45 is a photo of Froese, Franke and Baumann in the studio with the >>caption 'Tangerine Dream, whose 1985 'Flashpoint' CD album currently >>changes hands for GBP50'. >Yow! CDNow has 'em for about $13. US releases, I'm sure. The One Way Records edition of FLASHPOINT could be found in stores belonging to the Best Buy music/stereo/comp. chain,a while back,...for a mere $8.99 U.S. dollars. Sealed. That's where I pickep up my copy. Haven't seen one for a while, though. E-Man Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8672 Re: FLASHPOINT CD Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 11/13/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 2:21 pm Subject: Regarding Tangerine Ambience ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' Does anyone have information on releases by Rey Project--responsible for their cover of 'Force Majuere'--and Supersonic Project, who covered 'Mojave Plan'--found on TANGERINE AMBIENCE? These artists really did a killer job of revving up these two tunes and making them their own. E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 5:04 am Subject: Re: Regarding 'JH' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-11-12 04:44:20 EST, you write: << Look, if you see my name or Dan's in the header, just point to DELETE and click. >> This is what I do. E-Mail is pretty much self regulating. If a person gets responses - well and good - if not - they will eventually fade away (posters will find that they are only sending mail to themselves) - a kind of natural selection results. It works - really - I've seen it time and again. Just go on about your business. P.S. - - Has anybody seen Tangerine Dream around here? Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 6:03 am Subject: Re: Flashpoint CD changes hand for GBP50 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >worths GBP50. On page 44 the text reads 'this soundtrack from > the German > >veterans was issued when CD sales were still low, and was soon > deleted'. On > >page 45 is a photo of Froese, Franke and Baumann in the studio > with the > >caption 'Tangerine Dream, whose 1985 'Flashpoint' CD album > currently > >changes hands for GBP50'. > > Yow! CDNow has 'em for about $13. US releases, I'm sure. > > (So, am I going to the butt of brilliant riposte by E-Boy and > Dan-0 from this post?) > > Scott Er....huh?? We have Flashpoint at Super Collector for $16.99. Our number is 800-99-sci-fi if you need any. Regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 6:10 am Subject: Re: Signal to Noise Ratio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: dn3 > > On Sun, 09 Nov 1997 21:06:50 -0800 tadream mailing list > wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Really-From: DJS > > > > > > Uh oh...here comes the tight ass, Mr feldman. Lighten up dude. i notice > > you haven't had much to say lately anyway. > > > > Dan > > Don't you reckon that the recent silence of formerly more > active members could have something to do with them getting > pi**ed of about having to go through the tedious procedure > of deleting tons of silly, meaningless messages every day > before they find something interesting - and then, they > know that when they send a reply (a) no-one will respond > because they're all busy deleting silly, meaningless > messages, or (b) it will get 'humorised' and the meaning > diluted by the comments of people who want to have fun on > the list through what seems to be making fun _of_ the list. > > Dennis Actually, as an active musician, illustrator, writer and CD producer I am quite busy and haven't had time to respond to all of the redundant moaning. I couldn't care less what you think about my comments or Eli's, personally. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 6:56 am Subject: Re: Tightasses: Vs. Jokers: Misunderstandings ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky GO DANO!!!!!!!! >Really-From: DJS > >Hey Gabe...I thought you didn't read our posts. Yeeehahahahaha!!! > > >Dano > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 6:54 am Subject: Return To Planet Earth ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS Well, no...I've not been quiet about all of this because I've been told to shut up. I simply have a lot of work to do (running a publisher, writing, illustrating and lettering books takes a lot of time and work...not to mention producing CD's (one of which Eli and I are working on for those e-music-prog rock freaks out there.) Anyway, let me apologize to those out there who I had previously misunderstood. Jens, you'd be one of them. I however have no regrets to the (I'm biting my lip) 'people' that have jumped on Gabe's band wagon to lynch Eli and myself for doing nothing more than sharing our views regarding Edgar and his cronies of past, present and future. The humor will continue in smaller doses out of respect for Dave and no one else. As long as it relates to TD, the rest of you have nothing to say about it. My suggestion is that if you have a gripe, email me personally & either duke it out or be my buddy. The irony is that all of you who are complaining about all of this garbage email...well....your responses are what's cluttering the newslist, hence that's what the garbage actually IS. Now, if you have something you want to say about this letter, be smart and don't post it here on this list...after all...who wants to read a bunch of garbage...right?? Regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 6:53 am Subject: Re: Regarding 'Juvenile Humor' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Are you a WIMP or what? You mean to tell us you can't handle a little humor? Robert >Really-From: Ken Alexander > > >That's it, I'm outta here. Somebody let me know if E-Man and Dano >ever get uns*bscribed. > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 6:58 am Subject: Re: AMBIENT M, KEEP, TIMESQUARE--not! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky MORE POINTS FOR DANO!!!! DO I SEE A FOREST FIRE? THE HIGHLANDER >Really-From: DJS > > >It worked. The offending list gets about 70 posts >> per day, most of which are infantile flames, whereas what was once my >> list (I've since turned it over to others) gets about 12. It is self- >> policed, and most people are greatful for it. (The list concerns >> Japanese animation. Odd how people into 'cartoons' have more restraint >> than folk into e-music.) >> >> -- Steven Feldman > > >Sorry Steve...I didn't realize you were such an old fart. My mistake. >By the way, I work with the largest Animation mail order store in the >nation...perhaps the world...and I've met thousands of anime fans...and >not ONE has been as much of a humorless sourpuss such as yourself...and >that's sad. I've seen people I'd rather associate with at furry cons >than such a person as yourself...and that's the saddest part. > >Dano > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 7:08 am Subject: Re: Regarding 'Juvenile Humor' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky NICW COMEBACK ELI. THE HIGHLANDER >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > >OK, guys, regarding the 'atrocious juvenile humor' inconsiderably committed >by myself and Dano, here's what I have to say: > >TO: (individually) > >KRAUSENECKS aka Chris: don't worry, man, I was joking around, too. 'Moron' >is a > term I use most liberally. I know you were joking around, >too. You seem like a cool guy. I'll suggest that Dano just GIVE >you those items. The parking lot (quote #3) one is a little tough, >eh? > >GABE YEDID: DUDE...go take a valium. Get some bedrest. You're getting way >too > wrapped up in this. Sheesh (haha). As for your psychosis,...YOU > deal with it. And don't give ME advice on what chicks like (haha >the > funniest part of your post)--you don't know me, and you don't >the > honeys I've serviced. Just ask Dan, heh heh. And I'm NOT smug > about it, either. > >SCOTT PLUMER: 'Ditto,' maybe? Actually, I really don't give a damn. > >STEVE FELDMAN: OK, Steve, you've had your say. I'm not going to comment >much > on it. We can all post what we want. Look, if you see my name > or Dan's in the header, just point to DELETE and click. Don't > read the post if you don't want to. Nobody makes you read > anything; you read them because you WANT to. I personally > think you've enjoyed commenting on these matters. Dan and I > aren't going anywhere, nor are we offended that you guys have > been so affected by our posts. There isn't really anything more > to say about these matters, so, to Gabe, Scott, and yourself, > 'Hasta la vista, babeeeeeeee....' > > > >Sincerely, > >E-Man > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 7:13 am Subject: Re: Burn, Heretic, Burn! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Seeing as I work in a Hospital I will now begin passing out the Valium, Thorizine, Lithium,Prozac and Zanax for those of you unable to handle a little HUMOR. You know there is more to life than Tangerine Dream. THE HIGHLANDER >Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...> > >Anyone else care to join the crusade for a better tadream? I'll be passing >out the lit torches and shotguns in a few minutes to anyone interested. :-p > >--John 'I'm a Holier-Than-Thou Bastard and Proud of It' B. > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 7:56 am Subject: Re: Administrivia: Complaints About this list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... O.k. since I've been doing a little filtering of my own of the TD list, I have'nt read all the postings. What are the complaints about, and why such an action to get rid of the TD list? Did someone threaten murder? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 8:14 am Subject: Pass-up the Lithium! > Seeing as I work in a Hospital I will now begin passing out> the Valium, Thorizine, Lithium,Prozac and Zanax for those of you unable to> handle a little HUMOR.> You know there is more to life than Tangerine Dream.> > THE HIGHLANDER> Ha! Stay away from the Lithium my friends!Having tried Lithium Carbonate straght from the ceramicsroom from my college.. that stuff is NASTY! (I could've killed myself in one big dose which I think I came very close to) And I thought it would could be any better than what TD has done to help my depression--not a chance!... Although it does burn a cool blue flame.. =o)oh.. and if you wonder what it does, well.. it makes yourheart race and your muscles twitchy.. some chest painsas well. I guess it makes a person more energetic, but it's entirely artificial feeling. (didn't work for me I assume)Akk! I hate drugs.. even asprin.. don't want to go there again.Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 5:32 pm Subject: Re: Tatort Tracks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) >Really-From: FredYargui@a... > >I need some information about the tatort tracks; this is what I know: >'Daydream', 'Moorland' feature in Miriam episode ('Daydream' is the main >title) >Wavelength 'Airshaft', 'Alley Walk' also feature in Miriam >'Das Madchen auf der Treppe' is another episode >'I Just want to rule my own life without you' is another tatort track. >Is this complete? Can anyone add information about this? Here is all the info you ever wanted to know: :-) 1) 'Tatort' is a series that is procuced by different regional TV stations in Germany, in which each station is responsible for 'their' own episode, thus adding a regional flavor to the show with different main characters. Every week, it is a different stations turn to show 'their' version. In that way, it is a very unique show since the principal actors change all the time. 2) In the eighties, one of the stations called 'WDR' produced about 15 episodes with 'their' main character called 'Kommissar Schimanski' played by Goetz George. While Tangerine Dream had already scored another 'Tatort' episode in 1976 entitled 'Kassensturz', this time around they scored 3 of these 15 Schimanski shows. 3) The first TD-scored Schimanski episode was called 'Das Maedchen Auf Der Treppe', 1982. It featured 2 tracks already available on the album 'Exit' plus 4 tracks that were new, later released on 12'. These were 'Das Maedchen Auf Der Treppe', 'Katja', 'Flock' and 'Speed'. The versions in the TV show were slightly different than the ones on the 12', for example 'Flock' was played slightly slower on the TV score and had extra instruments and a longer intro that on vinyl. A 7' was also produced that did not have 'Flock' and 'Speed'. 4) The second Schimanski Tatort with TD came a few months after in 1983 and was called 'Miriam'. It featured the tracks you listed, 'Daydream' and 'Moorland', plus music very similar to some tracks on 'Wavelength', I am not sure if it was Airshaft and Alley Walk or not, but I can relisten to Wavelength to find out. 5) The third Schimanski Tatort came much later (1990 or 91) and was entitled 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' and featured a lot of unreleased music (some 10 themes or so), most of which was incidental music, i.e. not fully composed as in the earlier episodes, but just a collection of short sounds, or simple melodies without much going on in the background. It did feature the vocal track 'I Just Want To Live My Own Life Without You' with Chi Coltrane and the Instrumental 'One Night In Medina'. Obviously, the music was very different to the earlier two episodes, as the personnel now included Jerome, Linda and the harpsichord sample :-) as opposed to Froese/Franke/Schmoelling. 6) There exists another 'Tatort' episode entitled 'Heisser Schnee' from 1984 that uses TD music, but apparently only material lifted from Hyperborea and possibly other studio albums. This episode was not a Schimanski, but featured Helmut Fischer. Therefore, reports that this was also a production of WDR-TV (info in Klaus Beschorners discog) is probably incorrect. 7) As Jens already posted, the new 'Schimanski' episodes from 1997 have just begun airing last week. No TD music so far. >Jose Fernandez wrote once about 'Die Melodie Aus Dem Gleichnamigen Tatort' >What's the contents of this single? Jens already answered this: It simply means that this is stand for 'The melody from the Tatort show of the same name'. It is the text that is printed on the cover of 'Das Maedchen Auf Der Treppe' to inform buyers that the single contains music from the Tatort show with this name, opposed to the single 'Daydream' which states it is 'music from the Tatort show Miriam'. Any more questions? :-) Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 6:04 pm Subject: tatort single ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Armin Theissen >Jose Fernandez wrote once about 'Die Melodie Aus Dem Gleichnamigen Tatort' >What's the contents of this single? This means translated 'The melody from the same-titled `Tatort'' (or something like that - excuse my english) and does not mean a title for the single but just an informing sentence on the cover for the people out there who recognize the photo of hero 'Schimanski' on the cover and wonder what that is. I only have the 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' single where it is written on. Don't know about the other Tatort singles. armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 11:14 am Subject: Re: Burn, Heretic, Burn!, Astral Landscapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-11-13 04:27:34 EST, you write: << Seeing as I work in a Hospital I will now begin passing out the Valium, Thorizine, Lithium,Prozac and Zanax for those of you unable to handle a little HUMOR. >> O.k. Now I see what the complaining is about. First off, you work in a hospital and cant even spell Xanax right? Let's start talking about TD. There is a lot of new stuff to be talked about. That's what this list is for, and i'm sick of deleting 15 letters a day because they have nothing to do with TD. I'll start a new topic. I tried this the other day and nobody responded. Has anyone heard of Astral Landscapes by TD? It's a compilation that's out or coming out, and I was wondering if anyone had any ideas of what was on it. It's a 2 Cd comp. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 6:57 pm Subject: Re. The funny postings ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) E-man, to your posting I only want to remark two SHORT points: >of course it's an international forum. How lame for you to think >we wouldn't know that, especially with a band like Tangerine Dream. Well, I have to think that (and still do) because that is the attitude that showed in your and Dano's postings. I was criticising the fact that you and Dano were unwilling to accept that there might be people on this planet who don't find your personal style funny, yet still have a very good sense of humor, only different from yours. >You probably think I'm Caucasian, don't you? Why don't you >do some research on my surname...By the way, Dan is German. ?????? What on earth led you to write that paragraph ???? I don't give a damn whether you are caucasian, hispanic or a little green man from the planet Zimbo. Where you are from has no impact on your ability or in-ability to appreciate how others might feel about your posts. Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 1:45 pm Subject: RE: FLASHPOINT CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS The One Way Records edition of FLASHPOINT could be found in stores belonging to the Best Buy music/stereo/comp. chain,a while back,...for a mere $8.99 U.S. dollars. Sealed. That's where I pickep up my copy. Haven't seen one for a while, though. E-Man I got mine there as well, also a vinyl copy for .99 cents! A bargain I'm sure chris ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Thursday, November 13, 1997 8:42 AM To: tadream@c... Subject: FLASHPOINT CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >>veterans was issued when CD sales were still low, and was soon deleted'. On >>page 45 is a photo of Froese, Franke and Baumann in the studio with the >>caption 'Tangerine Dream, whose 1985 'Flashpoint' CD album currently >>changes hands for GBP50'. >Yow! CDNow has 'em for about $13. US releases, I'm sure. The One Way Records edition of FLASHPOINT could be found in stores belonging to the Best Buy music/stereo/comp. chain,a while back,...for a mere $8.99 U.S. dollars. Sealed. That's where I pickep up my copy. Haven't seen one for a while, though. E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 2:03 pm Subject: Flashpoint CD - don't confuse with re-issue ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek The original Flashpoint CD post referred to the CD issued in the UK on the Heavy Metal label in 1984. So let's not confuse this (or the price) with the re-issue on the One Way Records label. This CD is extremely rare since most were destoyed due to bad pressings (too much acid in the ink I heard). There are probably just a handful of them out there that are playable, and yes they now cost way more than 50 pounds. Actually 50 pounds sounds like a bargain now ;-) I would also conclude that this CD is probably one of the rarest if not the rarest Tangerine Dream CD. If you are ever lucky enough to find one, make sure it is playable, and then get ready to sign away your bank account. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8689 Re: Flashpoint CD - don't confuse with re-issue DJS Thu 11/13/1997 4 KB 8698 Re: Flashpoint CD - don't confuse with re-issue Vic Rek Fri 11/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 2:03 pm Subject: RE: Astral Landscapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >I'll start a new topic. I tried this the other day and nobody responded. Has >anyone heard of Astral Landscapes by TD? It's a compilation that's out or >coming out, and I was wondering if anyone had any ideas of what was on it. >It's a 2 Cd comp. I'm curious too. Does anyone know where one can purchase this? What is the country of origin of this release? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8678 Re: Astral Landscapes CMOSLover Thu 11/13/1997 4 KB 8681 Re: Astral Landscapes TangerineC@a... Thu 11/13/1997 2 KB 8691 Re: Astral Landscapes TangerineC@a... Fri 11/14/1997 2 KB 13997 Astral Landscapes Vic Rek Thu 5/28/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 2:58 pm Subject: Not RE: Pass-up the Lithium! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>  Seeing as I work in a Hospital I will now begin passing out > I have a question, just out of curiousity: how come most messages start with the address of the sender & the 'complaining here is useless' but a few don't? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8682 Re: Not RE: Pass-up the Lithium! Plumer, Scott Thu 11/13/1997 4 KB 8688 Re: Not RE: Pass-up the Lithium! Plumer, Scott Thu 11/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 10:02 pm Subject: MIDI Files ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) First I'd like to congratulate whoever was responsible for the the Choronzon midi file I picked up from Phil Meyer's page. Good job! :-) I've finally got myself a pc at home, and I'm a keyboard player. I can play loads and loads of TD tracks and fancy a crack at making some midi files for a laugh. What I'm after is for someone to contact me off list so that I can discuss software requirement etc for me to be able to do this. Thanks in advance, Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16970 MIDI Files Anil Sahal Thu 6/24/1999 2 KB 16974 Re: MIDI Files Keith Richie Thu 6/24/1999 3 KB 16982 MIDI Files W³odek Thu 6/24/1999 1 KB 17005 Re: MIDI Files Joel Mullen Sat 6/26/1999 2 KB 17006 Re: MIDI Files Joel Mullen Sat 6/26/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 10:09 pm Subject: COMPILATION CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ashok prema Sorry to post this non TD info - but I'm getting e-mail offline which I have little time at present to handle. Th compilation is called 'Is There Anybody Out There' and contains 70 minutes of EXCLUSIVE tracks by : Paul Lawler, Andy Pickford, RMI, Redshift, AirSculpture, John Dyson, Paul Ward, Dave Wright, T-Bass(UK) and myself. In the UK : send five pounds to A. Prema 308 Church Road Northolt Middx. UB5 5AP In the States; Eurock (e-mail: apatters@t...) and Progtron (e-mail: ranjit@n... ) stock this item. In Europe: C & D Services, Neu Harmony, Cue Records(Germany) all stock it. Hope this answers all the queries. Sorry for the 'commercial' angle to this posting. Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 3:08 pm Subject: Re: Astral Landscapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: CMOSLover tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Vic Rek > > >I'll start a new topic. I tried this the other day and nobody responded. Has > >anyone heard of Astral Landscapes by TD? It's a compilation that's out or > >coming out, and I was wondering if anyone had any ideas of what was on it. > >It's a 2 Cd comp. > > I'm curious too. Does anyone know where one can purchase this? What Just been round my local stores-no one has heard of if. Apart from a load of Strawbs re-issuses the only 'usefull' thing I found was a 'tribute' album called 'The Ambience of TD Vol II' (or something close). Basicaly a load of re-mixes of some of TD's 'old' stuff done by anonymous people, and boasting that it is '100% analogue'-yipee! Anyone else seen this? CMOSLover. Thought of the day: 'For it is better to be noticed and ridiculed than never to be notaiced at all?' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 3:42 pm Subject: RE: Administrivia: Complaints About this list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>I am saddened by the current state of this list. I would like to think >>that the people on this list are of a higher class than the rest of the >>internet lists and forums. Unfortunately, there are several people on >>this list who seem to think idiotic behaviour and crass humour is fun. >It never works this way, Mr. Datta. Unfortunately, some filtering is >necessary in every list, group, and organization. On the contrary, I think an unfiltered list is best. Who decides what gets filtered, and how does he decide? My views on Dano & Eli's comments notwithstanding, I still think the list is better for their contributions. If we don't like what they say, then we should counter it with our own opinions. If we think their humor is not funny, we should come up with our own that _we_ think is funny. This includes me. For the record, I think Dave should let things go on the way they are. I don't want them kicked off the list, and I _really_ don't want the discussion censored at all. If the discussion degenerates, a gentle reminder as to what we're supposed to be talking about here might be in order, but I'd leave it at that. Can you tell I'm a member of the ACLU? :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 3:53 pm Subject: Heresy! (Towards the Evening Star remix) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I just played my vinyl copy of the Orb's remix of Towards the Evening Star (Thanks Lars!) and, dare I say it, I think it's better than the original! Of course, the remix doesn't sound much like the original. . . Can anyone recommend some Orb stuff that's similar? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8683 Re: Heresy! (Towards the Evening Star remix) Lawry Simm Fri 11/14/1997 2 KB 8685 Re: Heresy! (Towards the Evening Star remix) Sean Montgomery Thu 11/13/1997 3 KB 8687 Re: Heresy! (Towards the Evening Star remix) TWeibre361@a... Thu 11/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 4:01 pm Subject: Re: Astral Landscapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... O.k. here is more info on these cd's from an ad in Goldmine. It says brand new British release Astral Landscape. A 2 cd compilation. Due 9/22. That's well over a month ago! I'm going to e-mail the company and ask them what's up. If you would like to e-mail them too, the name of the company is Music Machine. E-mail address is musimac@a... Happy hunting guys and girls! Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 4:19 pm Subject: Re: Not RE: Pass-up the Lithium! Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' #009;>>  Seeing as I work in a Hospital I will now begin passing out> #009;I have a question, just out of curiousity: how come mostmessages start with the address of the sender & the 'complaining here isuseless' but a few don't?#009;Scott----------I tend to delete everything above the text I am replying to.So that might be why it goes through without the warning.I keep the name and e-mail address of the person I replyto as well... I'll see if the same happens to this message.Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 11:25 pm Subject: Re: Heresy! (Towards the Evening Star remix) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) I can recommend Orblivion and Orbus Terrarum. I have them both and find them both very good. Whether they're much like the TtES remix, I couldn't say. I know that they did a remix project (Auntie Aubreys excursions ... or something) but I haven't managed to get hold of that yet. Maybe someone can say whether it's any good? Lawry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 5:42 pm Subject: Re: D:KAMIKAZE 1989 & PINNACLES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > Sigh, because of the all the ruckus, I wasn't able to rant a little > bit about KAMIKAZE 1989. I was surprised that someone didn't like like > 'Airshaft' (WAVELENGTH)--and that is because I usually equate 'Airshaft' > to 'Krismopompas' (KAMIKAZE 1989) insofar as both seem to have dissonant > clanging sounds in a style similar to 'Testlab' (FIRESTARTER) yet more > ominous. Personally I wouldn't compare 'Krismopompas' to 'Testlab'. 'Krismopompas' has always struck me as being more gritty and avant-garde, 'Testlab' as being more spherical, and almost New Age, but in a pleasant kind of way; at some points it sounds almost like a slow part from a Messiaen work. I would say that 'Krismo' is closer to _Logos_ in feel, while 'Testlab' is more in the spirit of _Pinnacles_'s more meditative moments. That light cymbal sound is almost suggestive of some kind of um, 'Buddhist' ritual or something. (I love both tracks; haven't heard _Wavelength_ yet) > Besides, I think the following album pairs hold up well: > > o WAVELENGTH and KAMIKAZE 1989 (both from 1983) > o HYPERBOREA and PINNACLES (both from 1983) Curious, a lot of people here make this pairing, but these two albums just strike me as being very different in character. _Pinnacles_ is probably the apotheosis of Froese's tendency towards the use of metallic, iridescent textures, which gives it a colour and shimmer that I just don't find in _Hyperborea_ (except maybe on 'Cinnamon Road'). > o THE KEEP and THE PARK IS MINE (1983/4 and 1984) _The Park Is Mine_ is very much more animated than _The Keep_, but with the official release, this may not be so anymore... > Besides 'Krismopompas,' I think 'Vitamin C' is a really good track > off KAMIKAZE 1989, and then there's . . . 'Snake Bath'! I don't think Agreed. The overall aesthetic of _Kamikaze_ is minimalist, as on _Ages_, but here minimalist techniques and approaches are used competently and cleverly. I wish 'Vitamin C' was about a minute longer, though ;). I've also thought that 'Tower Block' was a pretty neat track; I love the sequencer rhythm and that oh-so-ancient-sounding digipiano sample. > there are too many TD-related tracks better than this. I look at this > tune as sort of a laid-back version of 'Mothers of Rain' (OPTICAL RACE), > despite the fact that 'Berlin Summer Nights' (DESTINATION BERLIN), too, The feel is very different. 'Snake Bath' has a sneaky, creepy undertone to it, whereas 'Mothers of Rain' is darkly romantic in the same way that 'Exit' is (all IMO, of course). > PINNACLES was one of my all-time fave TD-related albums for a long > time . . . then, about ten years later, I found that the big riff that > constitutes the first ten minutes of the title track was a little too > pat if one listens closely to the melody of the sequencer in the fore- > ground. Then again, the opening track (I think it's 'Specific Gravity > of Smile')--with its duelling water droplet samplings and synth droplets > --is an amazing companion for the title track of Edgar's AQUA! As I've said before, I think it's his finest oeuvre. I don't think he's ever done anything before or after that quite rivals the dark, transparent beauty of this piece. I was hooked instantly from the opening pedal-point (yeah, I think it sounds organ-ish, maybe that's why I love it so much ;)?). It's so incredible, the rest of the album is just that much weaker by comparison. Other high points for me include those warm, murmuring vocal samples on 'The Light Cone' and the sequencer line from the second part of 'Pinnacles'. > Even > though I now like 'Sphinx Lightning' (HYPERBOREA) more than 'Pinnacles,' > 'Pinnacles' is still a wonderful track--as long, propulsive and evocative > as 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' (FORCE MAJEURE) in some ways. I used to > use a tape of 'Ricochet Pt. II,' 'Madrigal Meridian,' 'Tangram Pt. II' > and 'Pinnacles' to lend to folks who thought TD was just a bunch of New > Age hooey or second-rate Pink Floyd casualties. I've always thought the sequencer pattern that underlies the second part of 'Pinnacles' was very evocative of the Ricochet era. I don't know about putting 'Pinnacles' in that company, though, as the album is an example, IMO, of just how different Froese could be from TD when left to his own devices. It seems to simply be a part of his musical nature to have a softer, less aggressive approach than when paired with the other TD members. In fact, I would say that much of Edgar's career has been defined by the apparent conflict between reconciling his rock past and his 'mellower' approach evident in his solo music. > Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 5:44 pm Subject: Re: Heresy! (Towards the Evening Star remix) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > I just played my vinyl copy of the Orb's remix of Towards the Evening > Star (Thanks Lars!) and, dare I say it, I think it's better than the > original! Of course, the remix doesn't sound much like the original. . . > Can anyone recommend some Orb stuff that's similar? The TtES remix is very much in line with material on 'Orblivion'. The 'Aunty Aubrey' Remix collection is instructional as well, in that I thought many of the mixes were quite good ('Satellite Serenade' in particular is quite nice), and thus I was expecting more from a TD/Orb steel cage match. I had hoped they would find a way to incorporate at least *some* of the original track, as many songs on the 'Aubrey' collection do. I suspect that they jettisoned the entire original TtES track and turned it into just another Orb song because they don't care for TD's current direction. Whatever the case, I personally prefer The Orb's earlier work, like 'Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld', which emphasiszed melodies over swooshy noodling. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'A paranoiac is someone in possession of the facts' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 6:13 pm Subject: Re: IRC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 10:22 PM 11/12/97 -0800, you wrote: >You've got to be kidding! I've been on IRC...and I NEVER thought you'd >be one to admit you are one of those complete idiots who actually thinks >he has power because he is in control of a chat room. I have only one >thing to say to you personally....stop using air smart people can use. I am in control of 2 chatrooms on IRC. I operate 3 protection bots in each channel and operate both with a group of friends who won't tolerate garbage. This is the last e-mail of yours that I will respond to personally. Morgan feldon@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20856 IRC Felna Greymane Sat 2/12/2000 1 KB 20857 Re: IRC Carlo Ruggiero Fri 2/11/2000 1 KB 21763 IRC Gustavo Jobim Fri 4/7/2000 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 6:26 pm Subject: Re: Heresy! (Towards the Evening Star remix) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-11-13 10:59:02 EST, you write: << Can anyone recommend some Orb stuff that's similar? >> imo, there isnt too much thats similar since this is really one of his poorer efforts...but, id recommend 'aunt aubrey's excursions' which is a two disc set containing remixes he did of alot of other bands... tom w np: polygon window - quoth ep From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 6:42 pm Subject: RE: Not RE: Pass-up the Lithium! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>I have a question, just out of curiousity: how come most > >>messages start with the address of the sender & the 'complaining > here is > >>useless' but a few don't? > >I tend to delete everything above the text I am replying to. > >So that might be why it goes through without the warning. > >I keep the name and e-mail address of the person I reply > >to as well... I'll see if the same happens to this message. > No, Majordomo does it automatically somehow. I just wondered why some messages don't get the header, but come from the list. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 7:43 pm Subject: Re: Flashpoint CD - don't confuse with re-issue ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Vic Rek > > The original Flashpoint CD post referred to the CD issued in the UK on the > Heavy Metal label in 1984. So let's not confuse this (or the price) with > the re-issue on the One Way Records label. > > This CD is extremely rare since most were destoyed due to bad pressings (too > much acid in the ink I heard). There are probably just a handful of them > out there that are playable, and yes they now cost way more than 50 pounds. > Actually 50 pounds sounds like a bargain now ;-) > > I would also conclude that this CD is probably one of the rarest if not the > rarest Tangerine Dream CD. If you are ever lucky enough to find one, make > sure it is playable, and then get ready to sign away your bank account. > > Vic Darn, I had one but I think I gave it to Bob Grabowsky, sorry Vic. hehehehehe. Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 8:41 pm Subject: deepak / Transformation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean What % of the time does Deepak speak.... It is hard to say, maybe 30%... I kept thinking about that thing on Saturday Night Live, Jack Handy's 'Thought of the Day' or whatever its called... It can be unobtrusive if you can tune it out... I couldn't help but roll my eyes and grin a few times... But again, compared to the rap-music on Pacific Blue... I thought I found a minute on 'PB' that I liked, but then I changed my mind! MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 9:46 pm Subject: Re: Astral Landscapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... o.k. this is the answer I got from the company selling this Cd, obviously it's delayed: Subj: Re: Tangerine Dream Date: 97-11-13 13:42:50 EST From: Musimac To: TangerineC Sorry...the AL CD is not out yet, & we don't have a track listing at the present time Howie @mm From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 10:25 pm Subject: Re : Kamikaze & Pinnacles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Hello, Everybodreamers, I would like to say some little things about these albums: When I discovered them, I was beginning to make music myself with some synths of my invention (no keyboard, just potentiometers!) or later with some keyboards with little keys (yamaha synth and organ); then came the roland sh101 synthi; to modify the timbres of the instruments, I used (as many!) guitar pedals such as phasing, flanger and I remember making a loop with a 3 head tape recorder to have an echo chamber; also, drum programming was made with sequential machines (dr110, boss) that you could plug to the sh101 to synchronize the percu with the sequence. All this can seem extra terrestrial with all the digital hardware we are using nowadays. So, speaking of these albums refresh my memory, the memory of the end of the analogue era. You can hear plenty of flanged tunes in kamikaze 1989. Most are sequenced, but I remember that I first hated 'Intuition' that wasn't. So was 'Flying Kamikaze' that moreover frightened me by the lack of melody; 'The 31st. Floor' was special too because of the sensation of apocalypse (=discovery) it gives, with this strange voice saying words (that I still don't understand). The nine other tracks are sequenced, but I prefer 'Vitamin C' and 'Snake bath' that someone also pointed out recently, but I wouldn't like to forget 'Tower Block'' that sounds like some track of 'Ages'. It is obvious that sound textures and sequences patterns have been re-used in 'Wavelength'. I also remember having made a tape of these two EF albums to a friend that told me 'having studied all the night, restless' : the music was (and still is) energizing, but not like (bad) techno can be : it's a cool energy that delivers this music, that can finally disappear (you are no longer aware of hearing it) to make you concentrate upon your work. (Me and this friend of mine were young students at this time.) We could use auto-reverse decks but this music brings yourself into a mood that lets you work (and the music is still in your head) even if the deck stops. My favourite track from 'Pinnacles' is 'the light cone' because it is the shortest one, the lightest (joke?) and the most melodic. But 'Specific gravity of smile' is funny both by the name (I often ask myself how heavy is a smile, or a feeling) and by the sparkling drops that rounds in the sequence. 'Pinnacles' (at this time, I didn't know the word - even in french - and I wondered if it wasn't a famous greek character!) is a superb three-part piece that begins like an energic dance. Panoramic effects and hyperborean sounds can be heared. The first part ends with this vocoder that fades into another long sequence... and again, another lead instrument sings upon different sequencers. Panoramic effects of distorted guitar deliver the final sequences that end the album, with more sparkling drops, thanks to vcf resonance. This track is a masterpiece. Right back to 1997, thanks for the trip, Greetings, Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Want to Censor This? *I* Certainly Would! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: A Tightass >Subject: RE: Administrivia: Complaints About this list. >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:42:15 -0500 >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >[. . .] Unfortunately, some filtering is necessary in every list, >group, and organization. > > On the contrary, I think an unfiltered list is best. Who decides >what gets filtered, and how does he decide? [. . .] God, but I hate this spineless, pass-the-buck argument! Why do you think there's such a thing as judges, jails, and mental hospitals? They are all made to do something about defective individuals for the better- ment of the rest of the world. If you want to get really all-or-nothing about it, you can yelp, 'Who are you to chose?' and accuse me of Nazism for being self-righteous about some individuals being defective, but tought shit. Some people don't deserve to be able to make decisions for themselves. If someone showed gay male s & m porno to your grade school daughter after school and said that liking pictures like that will make one a better person, would you still self-righteously claim that such persons exposing your daughter to such materials is perfectly alright merely because the alternative is . . . horrors! . . . censorship? I censor myself all the time. That's what acting civilized in a civilized society is all about. >[. . .] My views on Dano & Eli's comments notwithstanding, I still >think the list is better for their contributions. [. . .] Oh really? The only reason the guilty postings made by Dano and Eli make 'the list better' is by elevating everything else that is posted by comparison. It's like the situation where evil is necessary because without it goodness would have no meaning. > For the record, I think Dave should let things go on the way >they are. I don't want them kicked off the list, and I _really_ don't >want the discussion censored at all. [. . .] > Can you tell I'm a member of the ACLU? :-) What's the ACLU? Is that something like the PC (Politically Correct) Police? ;) >If the discussion degenerates, a gentle reminder as to what we're >supposed to be talking about here might be in order, but I'd leave it at >that. As a painful but perhaps necessary object lesson to prove to folks just how full-of-shit their fence-sitting self-righteous blather about freedom of speech, censorship, and individual rights are, I'm going to spew forth an ultra-mega-supremo-version of Dano and Eli's bile to put things in a perspective that will be undeniable in its extreme. I am doing this to demonstrate that censorship can be a good thing. I hope that as a result of what I am about to say that I am not kicked off the Internet and otherwise prosecuted for obscenity, but the following is a demonstration of what should *not* be allowed to appear in print, on audio, on TV, or the Internet (by the way, this sort of material is posted on newsgroups like alt.tasteless.humor all day every day): [Out of respect for people's sensibilities--and humanity as a whole--I will allow everyone and/or anyone here to bail out now and not read any more of the present post. If you are strong of stomach and able to see that I am trying to proove a point, feel free to scroll down two screens to the nasty stuff. For those who are subscribed to this list in the digest version, the best I can do is leave two screens of blank space after the offending material, as well.] [Last time to bail out. Quit this file now!] [Beginning of objectionable material:] I want to share with everybody my feelings out Tangerine Dream's new records: I'll tell ya, if I was a chick, I'd be rubbing my clit into a frenzy over how sexy the music in OASIS is, but as it is, it makes me wish that an ocean of hot cum could spew out of my cock like unto the borders of an island oasis (real funny joke, geddit? ocean of cum and an oasis)? By crickey, but I sure do love to make jokes that are about my fave band. They make me feel real proud of my wit, sort of like the time I raped an epileptic while she was having a fit and put a nickel in her purse when I was done because she didn't complain that I came too fast! Hee hee, har har, guffaw. I really don't get why Edgar gets other guys to play guitar solos for the band. I mean, if he's such a fag, why doesn't he just get Mark Horney (look who just made a funny, ho ho ho!) and Zlatko and Jerome to have a three-way daisy chain so that when he and Jerome have hot butt sex, he can suck his load out of Jerome's butt after he's done jizzing off in it. I hope nobody gets upset about my commenting about Edgar sucking his own cum out of Jerome's ass, because, seeing as everyone's entitled to their own opinion and humor is relative, sexual practices like these (it's called 'felching,' by the way), can be not only a real turn-on but funny, too! I mean, suppose the other guy farts first and your load shoots out all over your face before you can suck it out? Ick! Melts in your mouth, not in your hand--or face, geddit? I think that is a very funny joke, and if you don't, you don't have any sense of humor. Lighten up. I enjoy making jokes like this and think that it expands fans' perspectives on their favorite band. Oh, and I'm not a fag, by the way. I only let fags blow me if I'm bored. I think they're scum, and it makes me feel good to intimidate them into giving head to a straight guy who hates them. Har har. Gee willikers, but that gives me a real ego boost, sorta like when I predict that a certain TD album will sell better than another because it's not New Age crap but the sort of kick ass analogue (note the joke: ass analogue, wow! funny) wet dream that makes me feel like making my labrador retriever lick my children's genitals while my wife watches. . . . Okay, anyone had enough? I sure have. Now, I'll leave three screens blank so that people receiving the list in digest mode don't have to read any of it. [Conclusion of objectionable material] [Don't read the stuff spaced apart above this line. It contains objectionable material written to prove a point--the point being that censorship can be a good thing.] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8705 Re: Want to Censor This? *I* Certainly Would! Hilmar Kraft Fri 11/14/1997 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 12:22 am Subject: Tangerine Ambience II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'K.E' Well, somebody asked a few questions regarding the Tangerine Ambience project and I happen to know something about the second record. Tangerine Ambience II is a danish project. Three people was asked by Hypnotic Records - a danish label - to do some coverversions of TD pieces and I happen to be one of them. We were all asked because we are devoted TD fans and musicians at the same time and since Denmark isn`t that big everybody into TD knows each other here. I did two tracks together with a friend, Tony, and they are Stratosfear and White Eagle. We did it entirely for the fun of it. It is actually ment as a tribute to a band that has ment a lot to us over the years. I have actually spoken to Edgar Froese about our coverversions. Do you want to know what he said about it? No, you don`t - that`s private... ;-) About the '100% analogue' part I can only say; Hm...not my idea...we live in 1997 with computers and so on, don`t we? Why all the tracks has different artist names? Well, I don`t know but that was something Hypnotic wanted. They mostly release techno and it seems to be common to use different names in every mix. Besides this Tangerine Ambience project we all do our own music and if you are interested in hearing what I do e-mail me privately and I can send you a demo. I am doing some solowork under the name Timescape - see a review in the english magazine Sequences #18 - and together with Tony we are at the moment working on some music for an animated movie. And hopefully we will release some music together last year - we are gathering material. About Rey; No, he has not done any records on his own yet, but like us he is working on something that might surface sometime next year. Kindly, Kent Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12947 Tangerine Ambience II Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 4/15/1998 3 KB 12957 Re: Tangerine Ambience II Lawry Simm Wed 4/15/1998 3 KB 12961 Re: Tangerine Ambience II Kees Wed 4/15/1998 3 KB 12964 Re: Tangerine Ambience II feldon@p... Wed 4/15/1998 3 KB 12966 Re: Tangerine Ambience II Sean Montgomery Wed 4/15/1998 3 KB 13004 Re: Tangerine Ambience II Flemming Larsen Thu 4/16/1998 3 KB 13054 Re: Tangerine Ambience II Lawry Simm Thu 4/16/1998 3 KB 13516 Re: Tangerine Ambience II K.E Sun 5/3/1998 3 KB 13958 Tangerine Ambience II Lawry Simm Tue 5/26/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 2:04 am Subject: Zlatko's live action ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS I was wondering if anyone else noticed the fact that when Zlatko performs live he does this cheeseball dance and slaps his guitar when TD plays cues lacking guitar. Does anyone else agree that z-man should just walk off stage instead of standing there like a goon and doing his little 'I wish I had a riff to play' dance. After confirming that Zlatko was indeed NOT Joe Satriani on stage during the Rockoon tour I also noticed Edgar's fingering on the keyboards. They didn't match up at all with the music. I know the whole 'DAT' concert point has been covered in depth but I just had to bring up the question. Is TD worth seeing in concert anymore when the keyboardists aren't playing and the guitar solos are replaced by hiphop dances under a blue spotlight? I will still go, however, just to knw I am in the room with the great Viking of e-music. Regards, Dan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8708 Re: Zlatko's live action Plumer, Scott Fri 11/14/1997 3 KB 8711 Re: Zlatko's live action PENFOLD Fri 11/14/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 4:09 am Subject: new td music--first impressions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> just got some the new TD releases today and I wanted to share my first impressions: The Keep: wow! what a fantastic packaging job they did! fantastic music too! this is going to score high on the Armin scale! Hermes, we're eagerly awaiting your FAQ post! (no TDI catalog #) Time Square Awesome stuff as well. Td (jerome?) is definitely moving in a new direction and I like it. This is some great stuff. lots of influences here too folks. great artwork. (TDI009) Ambient Monkeys (aka Where the wild things are ;-) More intriguing artwork; this is some really interesting music. bits of green desert, largo from TOB... all playing in the jungle. This stuff really ain't bad at all. I remember alot of this jungle type stuff with music mix (with lots of epsilon-like music) was played before the 86 gig that I saw. I'm glad they have released this stuff. (TDI 011) Thanks Edgar & Jerome; I'll be listening to this stuff for quite awhile. I like your new direction so 'keep' it up! and please tour the US soon, OK? lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8699 Re: new td music--first impressions Lars R. Jones Fri 11/14/1997 7 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 5:36 pm Subject: The Video Dream Mixes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) I recently purchased this laserdisc from CDNOW, and aside from the running time on their ad being wrong (advertised at 109 minutes, but it is actually 59 minutes), it is quite good. Some of the videos look like they were filmed with a home camcorder, but most are very high quality and excellent footage of Edgar, Jerome, and Linda. For any of you out there who have not seen this, I would be happy to make a VHS copy of it for you (at no charge thus avoiding copyright infringements). Send me a private reply for more details. - Matt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 5:15 pm Subject: Re: Flashpoint CD - don't confuse with re-issue ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:03:40 -0500 (EST) tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) writes: Really-From: Vic Rek >The original Flashpoint CD post referred to the CD issued in the UK on >the >Heavy Metal label in 1984. So let's not confuse this (or the price) >with >the re-issue on the One Way Records label. > >This CD is extremely rare since most were destoyed due to bad >pressings (too >much acid in the ink I heard). There are probably just a handful of >them >out there that are playable, and yes they now cost way more than 50 >pounds. >Actually 50 pounds sounds like a bargain now ;-) > >I would also conclude that this CD is probably one of the rarest if >not the >rarest Tangerine Dream CD. If you are ever lucky enough to find one, >make >sure it is playable, and then get ready to sign away your bank >account. > >Vic I have this CD on the Heavy Metal label and it is indeed playable. Is it really worth as much as you guys are saying? - Matt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 4:46 am Subject: Re: new td music--first impressions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu thatsays: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in themessage body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with.The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless.------------------------------------------------------------------------------Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@compuserve.com>just got some the new TD releases today and I wanted to share my firstimpressions:The Keep: wow! what a fantastic packaging job they did! fantastic musictoo! this is going to score high on the Armin scale! Hermes, we'reeagerly awaiting your FAQ post! (no TDI catalog #) Time SquareAwesome stuff as well. Td (jerome?) is definitely moving in a newdirection and I like it. This is some great stuff. lots of influenceshere too folks. great artwork. (TDI009)Ambient Monkeys (aka Where the wild things are ;-)More intriguing artwork; this is some really interesting music. bits ofgreen desert, largo from TOB... all playing in the jungle. This stuffreally ain't bad at all. I remember alot of this jungle type stuff withmusic mix (with lots of epsilon-like music) was played before the 86 gigthat I saw. I'm glad they have released this stuff. (TDI 011)Thanks Edgar & Jerome; I'll be listening to this stuff for quite awhile. Ilike your new direction so 'keep' it up! and please tour the US soon, OK?lars----------Thanks Lars!I'm happy to hear some positive things about TD finally!I am eagerly awaiting these releases here stateside... and TD hasn't even begun to present a new studio album withtheir new line-up yet. My best guess is that thier probablyworking on that about now =o) What do you all think? Would their be a grand-finale before Edgar retires? What could this be.. something revolutionary?A new path for Jerome to follow? Or will he skip the mass attention and bring us another 'Seattle Years' type album?Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 5:18 pm Subject: Long Live Rek!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >>Really-From: Vic Rek >>The original Flashpoint CD post referred to the CD issued in the UK on >>the >>Heavy Metal label in 1984. So let's not confuse this (or the price) >>with >>the re-issue on the One Way Records label. >> >>This CD is extremely rare since most were destoyed due to bad >>pressings (too >>much acid in the ink I heard). There are probably just a handful of >>them >>out there that are playable, and yes they now cost way more than 50 >>pounds. >>Actually 50 pounds sounds like a bargain now ;-) >> >>I would also conclude that this CD is probably one of the rarest if >>not the >>rarest Tangerine Dream CD. If you are ever lucky enough to find one, >>make >>sure it is playable, and then get ready to sign away your bank >>account. > >>Vic >I have this CD on the Heavy Metal label and it is indeed playable. Is >it really worth as much as you guys are saying? >- Matt Probably not, if the same music is found on both releases! Vic, by the way, traded in a kidney for his FLASHPOINT! You're a hero, Vic! Long Live Rek!!!! E-Man P.S. Vic, has Dano got some goodies set aside for you! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8709 Re: Long Live Rek!!! Plumer, Scott Fri 11/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 4:31 pm Subject: Re: Heresey! .... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) > From Sean Montgomery... Whan an ace quote! :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 5:33 pm Subject: Flashpoint cd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ashok prema You wrote: >I would also conclude that this CD is probably one of the rarest if >not the >rarest Tangerine Dream CD. If you are ever lucky enough to find one, >make >sure it is playable, and then get ready to sign away your bank >account. > >Vic I have this CD on the Heavy Metal label and it is indeed playable. Is it really worth as much as you guys are saying? - - Matt It's probably not worth as much since the re-release obviously - but before the re-release, these cd's were changing hands for between 80 - 120 UK pounds.....I offloaded my own copy for around 60 Pounds even after the-release .....obviously to a collector who wanted the 'Heavy Metal' label version. Collectors pay crazy money for items they want......this applies not only to music but all other tangibles .......didn't the Japs pay 24 million dollars for Van Gogh's 'Sunflowers' (and now they find it is almost certainly a fake....ha! ha! ha!) Ash Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 10:33 am Subject: Marital Strife... We've just managed to get hold of a Technics SL-MC410, a CD player that holds 111 (that's one hundred and eleven, not a finger-slip) CDs. It's been on order for months and I've been dreaming of having the whole of my TD CD collection (50+) on-line with random play and everything... And then on Monday the wife says 'Okay, we'll put the Classical stuff in the first 30, joint discs (i.e. Pink Floyd, Chris Rea, Philip Glass, etc.) in the next 40, leaving 20 each for you and I as our own selections.' (For those that can count, the final space is a 'quick play' slot). Huh?!?!! Seriously, if you're suffering from the 'how do I store 100's of CDs in their jewel cases' problem, this is ideal. It displays the names and titles of the discs on an LED, and apparently track titles as well on CD-TEXT enabled discs. Plus you can define 5 'groups' of associated discs - i.e. the Classical stuff are in Group A, Joint in B etc., and cross-register them as well (i.e. Philip Glass is in both A and B). It's a really neat piece of kit. The resolution of the TD vs wife dilemma? Simple, I'm going to have to save to buy a second player dedicated to my stuff... NP: Chris Rea, Road to Hell/Texas Next up? Haven't got a clue! Cheers, Kev VCard Holmes Kev < kev@l...> Senior Consultant Lexington Software Associates 5, Tavistock Road Fleet Hampshire GU13 8EH UK Work: +44 1252 774394 Fax: +44 1252 774395 Home: +44 1252 812035 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8706 Re: Marital Strife... CMOSLover Fri 11/14/1997 3 KB 8710 Re: Marital Strife... Kev Holmes Fri 11/14/1997 5 KB 8735 Re: Marital Strife... Steve McCready Sun 11/16/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 11:00 am Subject: Orb questions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'neil vanlaten' Greetings, If you like the Orb's remix of TD, try locating Orb's remix of Rick Wright's Runaway (promo UK CD5) song. There are two brilliant Orb remixes on it as well as a William Orbit remix. Someone else mentioned the Orb Remix compilation project DCD 'Aunt Aubrey's Excursion Beyond the Call of Duty', be advised all the songs except four are recorded in mono. All of the Orb studio albums are great (except Promme Fritz) though they are more synth oriented than the drum n bass style of the two aforementioned CD's. If you have any Orb related questions send them off list. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 6:35 pm Subject: Re: Want to Censor This? *I* Certainly Would! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) >As a painful but perhaps necessary object lesson to prove to folks >just how full-of-shit their fence-sitting self-righteous blather about >freedom of speech, censorship, and individual rights are, I'm going to >spew forth an ultra-mega-supremo-version of Dano and Eli's bile to put >things in a perspective that will be undeniable in its extreme. No, my anonymous friend...you failed to make your point, quite the opposite, actually, you have proven how dangerous censorship can be. Let me explain. The problem: your message was not 'undeniable in its extreme' for *all cultures*. Different societies have different taboo themes. I can understand that your sample was probably offensive to, for example, many North Americans. But people in many European countries have a totally different attitude towards sex, even in perverted forms(!), they generally tolerate it. Then again, there are also big differences, e.g. between the UK and Denmark in terms of how they deal with the subject of sex. While I would *prefer* not to read stuff like yours, it also failed to shock me so far that I would call for censorship, even though this may be hard for you to accept (which I understand). The other way round: As a German, I have personally been very offended by some posts on the internet that deal with Nazis, Jews or racism. I hated these posts, but I had to realize that to someone else, they were only harmless humor. It was my own moral standards that made these posts 'dangerous' to me. My point is: if a list gets censored, it takes on the moral standards of the person doing so. But these moral standards are so different for an international group, that it will be impossible to cover all bases. We have people from Latin America, Asia, Eastern Europe here, can you imagine what all would need to be censored? Questions of Religion, Violence, Sex, Race, Humor(!), etc. are so different. And then still someone may get offended. Can you imagine how many people would get mad if they, for example, get a 'North-American-White-Christian' version of the TD list? Would you like to get a list moderated by, let's say, Chinese standards (just to pick any country)? I think the Internet is a wonderful thing in that it brings different cultures together, closer than it was ever possible before. Yes, you will be offended, but maybe you have to accept it as natural fact. People are different, and the further away you get from home, the more different they are. With the internet, these 'weird' people suddenly are in your living room (or wherever you read this). If you want to interact with other human beings (and you do, otherwise you wouldn't post here) you also need to learn how to interact with what are weirdos for you. You may ignore them at you own wish, but please don't tell the rest of us that we all have to follow your personal moral standards. Finally: If one big day we really can all agree on only 1 thing that is 'undeniable in its extreme' to all of us, then the human race will have made one big step forward to understandig each other! I fear that this day may be far away... Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 11:39 am Subject: Re: Marital Strife... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: CMOSLover > holds 111 (that's one hundred and eleven, not a finger-slip) CDs. It's Wow! You serious? > Seriously, if you're suffering from the 'how do I store 100's of CDs in > their jewel cases' problem, this is ideal. It displays the names and Considering the expense (how much does a thing like that list proce for?) I think I'll settle for the traditional rack system. Who knows it may actually take less room than the player! CMOSLover From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 6:46 pm Subject: The Keep ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) Lars, If you look closely at the CD, you'll find it should say TDI010. I think it's on the disc only and not on the packaging. (Probably so that when it's released properly, they'll have the same CD in new packaging which will also have the TDI number on.) Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8896 Re: The Keep Lawry Simm Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB 8905 Re: The Keep Plumer, Scott Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB 8915 Re: The Keep Michael Fox Thu 11/20/1997 4 KB 9094 Re: The Keep TangerineC@a... Wed 11/26/1997 3 KB 9098 Re: The Keep Plumer, Scott Wed 11/26/1997 2 KB 9100 Re: The Keep Plumer, Scott Thu 11/27/1997 4 KB 9383 The Keep Michael A Jean Wed 12/10/1997 2 KB 9384 Re: The Keep Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 12/11/1997 4 KB 9390 The Keep AslanFan1@a... Thu 12/11/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 4:22 pm Subject: RE: Zlatko's live action ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I was wondering if anyone else noticed the fact that when Zlatko >performs live he does this cheeseball dance and slaps his guitar when TD >plays cues lacking guitar. Does anyone else agree that z-man should just Well, he's gotta do something! :-) I saw Shadowfax a few years ago, and their drummer, during a drumless part, pulled out a magazine (Modern Drummer, I think) and started reading! I think it was more a joke than anything. >depth but I just had to bring up the question. Is TD worth seeing in >concert anymore when the keyboardists aren't playing and the guitar >solos are replaced by hiphop dances under a blue spotlight? I will still I'm wondering that myself. :-( Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 4:27 pm Subject: RE: Long Live Rek!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Probably not, if the same music is found on both releases! Vic, by the way, >traded in a kidney for his FLASHPOINT! You're a hero, Vic! Long Live >Rek!!!! Hey, that was pretty funny, good job E-Man. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 3:10 pm Subject: Re: Marital Strife... tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to > majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Really-From: CMOSLover > > > holds 111 (that's one hundred and eleven, not a finger-slip) CDs. > It's > Wow! You serious? Yep. > > > > Seriously, if you're suffering from the 'how do I store 100's of CDs > in > > their jewel cases' problem, this is ideal. It displays the names and > > Considering the expense (how much does a thing like that list proce > for?) I think I'll settle for the traditional rack system. Who knows > it > may actually take less room than the player! That was our reaction when we heard about it originally, but a price tag of just under 300GBP (say 500USD - but it's bound to be lower over there), was far lower than we expected. Actually, that's about the same cost as the previous CD deck and CD storage unit combined. As for size, well, it's a standard width hi-fi component, with the same depth as an LP deck. So roughly equivalent to about 100 jewel cases in volume... Kev VCard Holmes Kev < kev@l...> Senior Consultant Lexington Software Associates 5, Tavistock Road Fleet Hampshire GU13 8EH UK Work: +44 1252 774394 Fax: +44 1252 774395 Home: +44 1252 812035 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 7:03 pm Subject: Re: Zlatko's live action At 18:04 199711.13 -0800, you wrote: >Really-From: DJS >I was wondering if anyone else noticed the fact that when Zlatko >performs live he does this cheeseball dance and slaps his guitar when TD >plays cues lacking guitar. Does anyone else agree that z-man should just >walk off stage instead of standing there like a goon and doing his >little 'I wish I had a riff to play' dance. I was wondering 'bout that as well. Linda looked 'better' on stage than Zlatko because she was versed on keyboards as well as sax. Zlatko's sole mastery of guitar sticks him out. I would retire to a chair just off-platform or do *something* with some simple hand rhythm instrument IMNSHO if I was in his place. The 'patting the Axe' bit just isn't my style..... my$0.02 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 7:47 pm Subject: Upcoming Edgar interview ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I just got off the phone with the editor of Progression magazine. He told me he's trying to set up an interview with Edgar and wanted to know what to ask him. Here's what I suggested: 1. How much of what they play live is really live? (i.e., do they really use DAT in concert) 2. Will he really hand the band over to Jerome soon? 3. What's the story with the Keep? (Why it took so long, why that ST, etc.) 4. Why do they play exact duplicates of what's on the albums in concert? If anyone has anything else to ask let me know and I'll pass it on. Scott E. Plumer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8713 Re: Upcoming Edgar interview Vincent Goudreault Sat 11/15/1997 4 KB 8715 Re: Upcoming Edgar interview DJS Fri 11/14/1997 3 KB 8725 Re: Upcoming Edgar interview Paul Nagle Sat 11/15/1997 4 KB 8741 Re: Upcoming Edgar interview Michael Richard Sun 11/16/1997 3 KB 8778 Re: Upcoming Edgar interview Stuart Park Mon 11/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 9:13 pm Subject: Re: Upcoming Edgar interview ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Nov 14, 2:47pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Upcoming Edgar interview > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > I just got off the phone with the editor of Progression magazine. He > told me he's trying to set up an interview with Edgar and wanted to know > what to ask him. Here's what I suggested: > > 1. How much of what they play live is really live? (i.e., do they really > use DAT in concert) > > 2. Will he really hand the band over to Jerome soon? > > 3. What's the story with the Keep? (Why it took so long, why that ST, > etc.) > > 4. Why do they play exact duplicates of what's on the albums in concert? > > If anyone has anything else to ask let me know and I'll pass it on. > > Scott E. Plumer Yeah, I'd like to know when they plan to tour North-America (way overdue by my account...) C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: THE KEEP--SPECIAL EDITION, Blue Moon & LOGOS TYPE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Well, I've played Edgar's cockeyed idea of what constitutes 'the complete music material from' THE KEEP only once so far, but I can at least say with certainty that a certain E.F. is full of shit. There is more material from the film, 'The Keep,' on the Blue Moon boot than there is on the CD with the number TDI010! :( I compared the TDI010 CD with the BM boot and the LOGOS TYPE boot, and can now cite the specific correspondences between the items. First, to make matters a little clearer for those who don't have such data close at hand, here are the track names and times for the music related to the film known as 'The Keep' which appear on the official THE KEEP-- SPECIAL LIMITED EDITION, the Blue Moon boot, and the LOGOS TYPE boot: + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + º THE OFFICIAL THE KEEP CD FROM 1997: º + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + The Keep Original Motion Picture Soundtrack Produced by Edgar Froese Total running time 60:06 1. Puer Natus est Nobis (Gloria theme)**** 3:09 2. Ancient Powerplant* 4:28 3. The Silver Seal** 3:07 4. Voices from a Common Land*** 4:06 5. Arx Allemand* 4:24 6. The Night in Romania* 3:15 7. Canzone** 2:51 8. Sign in the Dark* 4:19 9. Weird Village** 3:23 10. Love and Destiny** 3:31 11. The Challenger's Arrival* 4:32 12. Supernatural Accomplice* 4:07 13. Parallel Worlds** 4:29 14. Truth and Fiction* 2:52 15. Wardays Sunrise* 3:20 16. Heritage Survival*** 4:13 *Composed by E. Froese **Composed by E.Froese and J.Scmoelling ***Composed by Froese, Schmoelling, Franke ****Composed by Thomas Tallis 1505-1585, Arr. by E.Froese This soundtrack is the first and only authorized release of the complete music material from the movie. + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + º THE BLUE MOON BOOTLEG CD FROM 1995: º + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + Tangerine Dream - The Keep Blue Moon Records BM-12/BMCD12 Total running time: 66:40 1. Dinu Pass (3:07) 2. The Keep (Main Title) (4:05) 3. The Black Soldiers (5:14) 4. Deadly Silver Crosses (6:31) 5. Brothers In Death (8:07) 6. Evil Healing (3:51) 7. Glaeken's Quest (4:38) 8. The Evil From Within (4:47) 9. The Black Soldiers (1st Mix) (8:57) 10. Gloria (3:05) 11. Romanian Road (2:52) 12. Fisherman's Morning (3:20) 13. Sailing Mission (3:00) 14. The Keep 'Mid Theme' (Remix) (1:50) 15. The Keep 'End Theme' (Remix) (2:22) + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + º THE LOGOS TYPE BOOT FROM 1997 (Berlin, 1992): º + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + Tracks 3-7 contain music not on LOGOS that sounds similar to that in the film known as 'The Keep.' 1. Track Three (5:09) 2. Track Four (2:37) 3. Track Five (3:57) 4. Track Six (4:18) 5. Track Seven (6:12) Okay. Now let's get down to business. I'll comment and remark on similarities between TDI010, the other two CDs, and film itself track- by track, in sequential order. 1. Puer Natus est Nobis (Gloria theme) (3:09) This track is pretty much the same as Blue Moon track 10, but it has nice instrumentation in the background which makes it vastly superior to the virtually a cappella version on the Blue Moon boot. 2. Ancient Powerplant (4:28) This is Blue Moon track 12--one of the three tracks broadcast on German radio--'Fisherman's Morning,' but this version is better. The song itself appears nowhere in the film. 3. The Silver Seal (3:07) This track, reminiscent of material on HYPERBOREA and of 'Love Phantasy' off the FLASHPOINT soundtrack, contains music not in the film, and not on the Blue Moon boot nor LOGOS TYPE. 4. Voices from a Common Land (4:06) This is Blue Moon track 11--one of the three tracks broadcast on German radio--'Romanian Road,' and seems to be identical to the version on the BM boot. The song itself appears nowhere in the film. 5. Arx Allemand (4:24) This is a jaunty, neo-classical tune that sounds somewhat like a combination of the styles of Tomita and Walter/Wendy Carlos, and brings to mind what a funkified version of 'Hobo March' (a/k/a 'Ode to Granny A' off Edgar's AGES album). This tune does not appear in the film, the Blue Moon boot, nor LOGOS TYPE. 6. The Night in Romania (3:15) Finally! A tune that is not a cover of a classical composition that actually appears in the film! This music comes from the climax where Dr. Cuza yells to Molasar, 'So . . . you prove yourself to *me*!' This music also appears on LOGOS TYPE as Track Six. It is not on the Blue Moon boot. 7. Canzone (2:51) This tune also appears in the film. It comes from the sequence wherein Dr. Cuza walks out of the sub-basement of the keep and past the silver crosses in the walls which light up as he passes them. It is not on the Blue Moon boot nor LOGOS TYPE. 8. Sign in the Dark (4:19) This track corresponds to LOGOS TYPE Track 5. This music, although quite Keep-esque, does not appear in the film nor on the Blue Moon boot. 9. Weird Village (3:23) This track is reminiscent of an early track on the WAVELENGTH soundtrack. I'm not sure which track. This tune does not appear in the film nor the Blue Moon boot nor LOGOS TYPE. 10. Love and Destiny (3:31) This track is reminiscent of material on the DESTINATION BERLIN soundtrack, even though DB is from 1989 and THE KEEP is from 1983! It did not appear in the film, on the Blue Moon boot, nor on LOGOS TYPE. 11. The Challenger's Arrival (4:32) This track is very similar to Blue Moon track 6, Evil Healing. At the 3 minute mark, however, this 'official' version diverges. The Blue Moon boot version is better IMHO because it is spookier. This tune does not appear in the film nor on LOGOS TYPE as far as I know, and yet, since most of what is on the Blue Moon boot is indeed in the film, I am not sure of this. 12. Supernatural Accomplice (4:07) This track starts off sounding like a track of the WAVELENGTH soundtrack, then has a portion of the beginning of 'Cloudburst Flight' (from FORCE MAJEURE), then is similar to Blue Moon track 4, 'Deadly Silver Crosses,' but the contents of the tune are in a different order so that the backwards-air sound at the end of 'Deadly Silver Crosses' appears towards the beginning of 'Supernatural Accomplice' (this track). This version of the song does not appear in the film per se: it is a variant. It is not on LOGOS TYPE at all. 13. Parallel Worlds (4:29) This music does not appear in the film, nor the Blue Moon boot, nor on LOGOS TYPE. It is unique and unlike anything else TD has done. I have all four of Johannes Schmoelling's albums, and it my guess that this track is 100% Johannes' doing since I don't hear any Froese influence whatsoever. 14. Truth and Fiction (2:52) This track, which does not appear in the film nor on LOGOS TYPE, has sounds at the end that are similar to those found on track 12 (which, in turn, corresponds to Blue Moon Track 4, 'Deadly Silver Crosses'). Otherwise, this track is all-new (to *me*, at least). 15. Wardays Sunrise (3:20) This track, which does not appear in the film nor the Blue Moon boot nor LOGOS TYPE, features a guitar lead similar to that on track 11 ('The Challenger's Arrival'). 16. Heritage Survival (4:13) This track, which does not appear in the film nor the Blue Moon boot, is basically LOGOS TYPE Track Three with guitar added, but it fades out, leaving the impression that, like 'Silver Scale,' it is an excerpt from a longer piece. This is great, majestic tune, similar to the ending of 'Logos Pt. II,' but more upbeat. It is more of less the high point of the LOGOS TYPE boot. So, there you have it. There are only three and a half tracks that appear in the film (track 12, 'Supernatural Accomplice,' being the half). One of the three tracks broadcast on German radio, 'Sailing Mission,' is nowhere to be found. The long variant of 'Moorland' in the film which clocks in at about seven minutes is not be found. Ditto the seven-minute ending that appears on the UHF-only syndicated TV broadcasts of the film. Actually, not even the end tune from the *regular* cut of the film is on the TDI010 CD! For those who like the film more than TD per se, a better bet than TDI010 would be the Blue Moon boot and tracks 3-7 on LOGOS TYPE (and especially the first 35 minutes of TD's 1982 Croydon concert). o LOGOS TYPE Track 3 = TDI010 Track 16 ('Heritage Survival') o LOGOS TYPE Track 5 = TDI010 Track 8 ('Sign in the Dark') o LOGOS TYPE Track 6 = TDI010 Track 6 ('The Night in Romania') It's not too late for us to get a more for-real THE KEEP soundtrack: maybe the *non*-Special Edition version will be more like the Blue Moon boot and actually feature a lot of music from the film! ;) Hey, and there's even the remote possibility that one of us will actually find a copy of the original 1984 issue of THE KEEP and we'll be able to find out if that version had as little music from the film as TDI010 does. Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: , and BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8718 Re: THE KEEP--SPECIAL EDITION, Blue Moon & LOGOS Gabe Yedid Sat 11/15/1997 3 KB 8748 Re: THE KEEP--SPECIAL EDITION, Blue Moon & LOGOS Hermes Guzman Sun 11/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 14, 1997 11:58 pm Subject: Re: Upcoming Edgar interview ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > I just got off the phone with the editor of Progression magazine. He > told me he's trying to set up an interview with Edgar and wanted to know > what to ask him. Here's what I suggested: > > 1. How much of what they play live is really live? (i.e., do they really > use DAT in concert) > > 2. Will he really hand the band over to Jerome soon? > > 3. What's the story with the Keep? (Why it took so long, why that ST, > etc.) > > 4. Why do they play exact duplicates of what's on the albums in concert? > > If anyone has anything else to ask let me know and I'll pass it on. > > Scott E. Plumer Good luck getting a straight answer from Edgar. Every interview I've read from him I have to read it 13 times before I finally understand what the heck he was saying. If he'd just speak using a normal dialect and refrain from trying to sound so darn prolific and mysterious in his conversations. Dan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8725 Re: Upcoming Edgar interview Paul Nagle Sat 11/15/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 15, 1997 4:09 am Subject: Observations by A Pole ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Quite an interesting week? There have probably been more than a few on this list that have taken notice. Well, here are a few of my observations (in brief summary): o Phil N. still continues to amaze me with his thorough reviews. I hope that the readers benefit from this. Keep up the good work! o Dano continues to amaze me with his unrelentless humor, heh heh. BTW, Captain Dan is a good man! He's a man of good word. Stay tuned... o Eli has to still try. Yes, a few good jokes put out to the list, but he needs to learn restraint. So Eli will you respond to this? You just have to since it's a post on the list (and your name's in it). o Yes, my enthusiasm for TD has led me to give up my kidney for a Flashpoint CD (original of course), but with all this stress and such a chemical society, I may someday trade it back for a liver. o Mr. Feldman (identified as a tight ass) continues his unrelentless pursuit of 'The Keep' encyclopedia. Sure he was tight (ass) last week, he was waiting for that Keep CD that has been guiding him since 1984. Keep up the good work, and don't forget about the Keep CD-R boot that contains even more music. o And Mr. Hilmar continues to make very profound and even smart comments about the actions of some controversial contributors. Keep it up, and don't forget about those samplers you own me. o And A Tightass responds with some supposedly obscene material that was supposed to make us hide our daughters. Good try, but no success. Go try somewhere else. o And the rest of these lurkers that want to learn something about TD, hang on, information is always in the queue, but you must be prepared to deal with the opinions of the list. o And me, Vic Rek, enjoying my 15 seconds of fame. Even though I didn't ask for it. Ya right! Have a great weekend! Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 16, 1997 4:21 am Subject: RE: Upcoming EF I'view in Progression ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 15, 1997 5:15 am Subject: Re: THE KEEP--SPECIAL EDITION, Blue Moon & LOGOS TYPE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Well, Steve, we were told that there would be a lot of music on the 'official' release that was not in the movie. I guess we just didn't expect *most* of it to not be in the movie. ;) It may not be a good representative ST album, but is it good as 'lost period TD', do you think? If you like what's on it, does it make a huge difference? (playing devil's advocate here). Maybe this is Edgar's vision of what HE wanted the soundtrack to be. Would this music have suited the film better than what was ultimately used as the ST material? Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 16, 1997 4:48 am Subject: RE: EF I'view ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 15, 1997 5:27 am Subject: RE: Free TD Stuff To Give Away Part 2!! (Little TD Content) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sturminatr@a... >Really-From: DJS >5. (and now the throwaway) 'Prisoner transfer from cell block 1138' Don't know if the stuff has been given away as of yet, but since a few posts have incorrectly identified this puppy, I have to give a hint to those interested. Namely, the line right before it: 'Where are you taking this...thing?' Address your thanks to, B. Kirby PS - TD Content - After finally listening to my own Horizon Music TD CD order, I have to say how impressed I was with Oasis. Was that a semblance of a sequencer rhythm I heard on there? The rest, unfortunately, was not Oasis. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 15, 1997 5:54 am Subject: Which album have you listened to most in your life? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) Mine in 'Low', by David Bowie. I worked out the other days that I've listened to it over 1500 times. I know, I need a life ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8722 Re: Which album have you listened to most in your Greg Heil Sat 11/15/1997 3 KB 8727 Re: Which album have you listened to most in your PENFOLD Sat 11/15/1997 3 KB 8729 Re: Which album have you listened to most in your DJS Sat 11/15/1997 4 KB 8730 Re: Which album have you listened to most in your DJS Sat 11/15/1997 3 KB 8731 Re: Which album have you listened to most in your Greg Heil Sat 11/15/1997 6 KB 8743 Re: Which album have you listened to most in your Antonio Nunes Mon 11/17/1997 3 KB 8806 Re: Which album have you listened to most in your Stephen A. Yensen Tue 11/18/1997 2 KB 8814 Re: Which album have you listened to most in your PhilPDX@a... Tue 11/18/1997 2 KB 8885 Re: Which album have you listened to most in your Luntow11@a... Thu 11/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 15, 1997 6:14 am Subject: Re: Which album have you listened to most in your life? Hmm..I'd have to say it's a toss-up betweenKraftwerks's 'Trans-Europe Express'and..Mannheim Steamroller's 'A Fresh Aire Christmas'P.S.I need more of a life!Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 16, 1997 6:45 am Subject: RE: 'Pole-r' observations ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' responds with some supposedly obscene From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 3:59 pm Subject: Offer of Risky Business pirate VCD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Hello I have a few copies of the Risky Business pirate double VCD I will offer for swap only. It is a double VCD with titles and synopsis in both Chinese and English language on both the front and back covers. It can be watched on the computer with software having movie function such as Xing MPEG player. I would appreciate offer of bootleg / CD releases from exotic countries such as Italy, Spain, Brazil etc. Please contact me off list and let me know your offer. Thanks. Jeffrey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 15, 1997 4:48 pm Subject: Re: Upcoming Edgar interview ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:58:54 -0800, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >Good luck getting a straight answer from Edgar. Every interview I've >read from him I have to read it 13 times before I finally understand For amusement you can keep track of the phrase 'musical integrity' which he used a lot when I interviewed him once. If he admits to miming in the light of this phrase I'll be fascinated how he explains it. N.B. The miming is unlikely to be to DAT since the MIDI rack modules are harder to trigger from DAT and they flashed away like flashing things at Leeds....my mate's theory was that they paid someone offstage to send MIDI triggers in time to the music and that this person was therefore hardest working 'musician' in the place..... Paul Beware - shameless plug! P.S. Anyone in the Lancs area of good old Blighty should pop into my gig tonight at the UCL Preston Arts Centre. There will be a DAT but it is for recording the proceedings.... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 15, 1997 2:51 pm Subject: Tatort ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Hi & many thanks to everyone that wrote a mail (on the list or privately) with Tatort information! Greetings, Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 15, 1997 4:39 pm Subject: Re: Which album have you listened to most in your life? _Exit_ by TD (my first TD album as a matter of fact) I have a girlfriend, does this still mean I don't have a life? 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 15, 1997 6:57 pm Subject: Re: EF I'view ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > > You mean like that one interview in the Argentinan EM mag where he preceded > each of his answers to the interviewer's questions with: 'I am Edgar > Froese, now I speak! Listen!!!' > > FAAAAR OUUUT! Words of wisdom from the Teutonic Titan, father of Jerome > (Son of Thunder), wife of Monica (Sister of Hera), and brother of Klaus > (Lord Of Drones)!!!! > > E-Man Heh, I do remember in an interview that Edgar said that if any of TD's albums could be considered new age it would be Phaedra. He also said (this was in 1988) that in his own subjective opinion 'they had moved so far along that he would no way consider themselves to be a new age band' What Edgar was actually saying was 'I, the great Norseman of Mount Valhalla, have nothing to do with new age...except for those few albums in the early seventies that were blips and bleeps...yes my sons...these were new age albums...but nothing after that! TD does not play new age! Linda Spa's sax has nothing to do with new age! That was just a trial phase. Now walk with me to the anvil whilst I forge Mjolnir for my son of Thunder.' Basically, Turn Of The Tides was, IMO, the greatest venture to become on with Yanni and John Tesh. Imagine, Edgar & friends live at the Acropolis! Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 15, 1997 7:05 pm Subject: Re: Which album have you listened to most in your life? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) > > Mine in 'Low', by David Bowie. > > I worked out the other days that I've listened to it over 1500 times. > > I know, I need a life ;-) Has to either be Transformers the Movie (the score, not the vocal she-ite) but since I haven't had that long enough...I guess it'd be ALL of Mark Shreeve's albums (minus Redshift of course)...which are currently on hiatus because I need a breather from it...shooooweeee. Out comes the Goblin and Rush! Eli, stop influencing me dammit! Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 15, 1997 7:07 pm Subject: Re: Which album have you listened to most in your life? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > Hmm.. > > I'd have to say it's a toss-up between > > Kraftwerks's 'Trans-Europe Express' > > and.. > > Mannheim Steamroller's 'A Fresh Aire Christmas' > > P.S. > > I need more of a life! > > Greg H. Heh, I wonder if anyone listens to TD the most. Hahahaha! Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 15, 1997 6:19 pm Subject: Re: Which album have you listened to most in your life? ----------> From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@cs.uwp.edu> Subject: Re: Which album have you listened to most in your life?> Date: Saturday, November 15, 1997 12:07 PM> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu that> says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the> message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with.> The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless.> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> Really-From: DJS > > > tadream mailing list wrote:> > > > Hmm..> > > > I'd have to say it's a toss-up between> > > > Kraftwerks's 'Trans-Europe Express'> > > > and..> > > > Mannheim Steamroller's 'A Fresh Aire Christmas'> > > > P.S.> > > > I need more of a life!> > > > Greg H.> > Heh, I wonder if anyone listens to TD the most. Hahahaha!> > > Danowell Dano, TD albums are more fullfilling so a person can take lower dosesof it.. and like many of us, we have large collections of TD and switch fromone to the next. I'd say Tangram for me, comes into a close 3rd place asmost listened to, and that's two (about) 24 minute tracks! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 15, 1997 8:01 pm Subject: Edgar interview question: answered ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Coppens Hi everyone, >> 3. What do you think of the 'retro' movement you're arguably responsible for? >> When I met TD after the concert in Brussels this year, Jason Hopkins, Paul Hanson and myself chatted with Edgar for some twenty minutes and we asked him what he thought of the retro movement. As Jason will also tell you his answer was (accompanied by a very expressive face): 'What !!???'. Edgar was quite surprised about it and really had no idea so many people were doing something like that. So we first had to explain it. He said he didn't mind them making music like that, but that he himself had no reason or urge -musically- to do something like that again. It was his past, no reason why he should go BACK instead of FORWARD. He was also a bit tired of people always droning on about the late seventies and how they would like TD to return to that style of music. If people didn't like the recent output then they simply shouldn't buy the CDs anymore he said. That's it. Wave ~~~ Tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8745 Re: Edgar interview question: answered DJS Sun 11/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Which album have you listened to most in y ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Re: Which album have you listened to most in your life? >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:07:23 -0800 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Organization: Rakinik Intertype >Really-From: DJS [Re the question of what album a collective we have listened to more than any other, two people responded, and then Dano said:] >Heh, I wonder if anyone listens to TD the most. Hahahaha! Errr, maybe second place. 1) DIAMOND DOGS by David Bowie 2) LE PARC by Tangerine Dream 2) LODGER by David Bowie 2) MUSIC INSPIRED BY BATTLESTAR GALACTICA by Giorgio Moroder (because of Side Two, which is the 15-minute track, 'Evolution') 2) ON LAND by Brian Eno Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: , and BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8739 Re: Which album have you listened to most in y Paul Nagle Sun 11/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Suggestions for Scott's Edgar Interview ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Upcoming Edgar interview >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:47:02 -0500 >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >I just got off the phone with the editor of Progression magazine. He >told me he's >[1] trying to set up an interview with Edgar and >[2] wanted to know what to ask him. [. . .] It seems to me that #1 is dependent on #2. ;) In other words: ask him too many uncomfortable questions--like, say, the extent of the Milli Vanilli factor during live shows re where he places his fingers over the keys--and you might be shit out of luck. (no smiley) >Here's what I suggested: > >1. How much of what they play live is really live? (i.e., do they really >use DAT in concert) Don't expect honesty if this question is dignified with an answer at all. >2. Will he really hand the band over to Jerome soon? I think in the case of TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II he already has, and in the case of AMBIENT MONKEYS he *should* have. ;) >3. What's the story with the Keep? (Why it took so long, why that ST, >etc.) IMHO, better questions re this music would be: o Why is so little of the actual music from the film on the CD-- especially since the claim, 'This soundtrack is the first and only authorized release of the complete music material from the movie,' is listed on the outside of the CD? There are only two tracks from the film on the CD, whereas there are eight on the bootleg!!! o Neither version of the film's highly-memorable end-theme is on the CD (there is an alternate longer ending to the film that contains seven minutes more of music which are more dynamic and invigorating than any other music in the entire film). Why aren't these there? o Why isn't the seven minute variant of 'Moorland'--which plays during the footage where the Scott Glenn character pilots a boat to Romania-- on the CD? o Are the tracks which were selected for the soundtrack's original 1984 release (tell Edgar that at least 3 list subscribers have seen a copy of this so-called non-existent record) the same as those selected for the recent release? o What is the story with the 3 tracks played over German radio: 1) 'Fisherman's Morning' a/k/a 'Ancient Powerplant' 2) 'Romanian Road' a/k/a 'Voices from a Common Land' 3) 'Sailing Mission' . . . only two of which appear on the official CD and none of which appear in the film itself? o Will any more music from THE KEEP appear on the 25-CD Set? >4. Why do they play exact duplicates of what's on the albums in concert? Good question. >If anyone has anything else to ask let me know and I'll pass it on. Since the FORBIDDEN, RED HEAT, and RED NIGHTS are being released, and there's reportedly 60 hours of material from STREETHAWK, what are the chances of a multi-CD set of STREETHAWK material? Did Edgar really have any compositional credit on TIMESQUARE? >Scott E. Plumer -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the Air Force has silenced it personnel.' --Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, the 1st director of the CIA, quoted in THE NEW YORK TIMES, February 28, 1960. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8784 Re: Suggestions for Scott's Edgar Interview Plumer, Scott Mon 11/17/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 16, 1997 4:04 am Subject: Re: Marital Strife... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready) On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:33:33 +0000, Kev wrote: >We've just managed to get hold of a Technics SL-MC410, a CD player that >holds 111 (that's one hundred and eleven, not a finger-slip) CDs. It's >been on order for months and I've been dreaming of having the whole of >my TD CD collection (50+) on-line with random play and everything... When my old 5-disc player died a couple months back, I was rather happy - it finally gave me an excuse to pick up one of the 200-disc changers that Sony puts out. >And then on Monday the wife says 'Okay, we'll put the Classical stuff in >the first 30, joint discs (i.e. Pink Floyd, Chris Rea, Philip Glass, >etc.) in the next 40, leaving 20 each for you and I as our own >selections.' (For those that can count, the final space is a 'quick >play' slot). D'oh! Fortunately, my girlfriend only has about 20 CDs, so there was plenty of room for the 50+ TD CDs and plenty more stuff. The group feature is nice (though the Sony doesn't let you 'cross-register'..) >The resolution of the TD vs wife dilemma? Simple, I'm going to have to >save to buy a second player dedicated to my stuff... Unfortunately, I still have around 125 CDs that didn't fit, so I need a second. I just don't have room for it, unforutnately ... it's a bit on the TALL side... =( oh well! -Steve sbm@p... Sacramento, CA From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: THE KEEP: More Grist for the Mill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Below is exactly what is on TD's website: | +++ 15/Aug/97 +++ | |[. . .] What the fans will hear on the soundtrack CD is most of the |material known from the picture plus some of those tracks which have not |been used within the movie due to director's decision. '[M]ost of the material known from the picture'?!? What the #$%^@~ does *that* mean?!?! -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the Air Force has silenced it personnel.' --Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, the 1st director of the CIA, quoted in THE NEW YORK TIMES, February 28, 1960. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 15, 1997 11:15 pm Subject: Streethawk Material? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >[...]and there's reportedly 60 hours of material from STREETHAWK, what are >the chances of a multi-CD set of STREETHAWK material? Pretty good. I already have it :-) Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8774 Re: Streethawk Material? DJS Mon 11/17/1997 4 KB 8791 Re: Streethawk Material? Jim Moore Mon 11/17/1997 3 KB 8795 Re: Streethawk Material? Vincent Goudreault Mon 11/17/1997 3 KB 8805 Re: Streethawk Material? DJS Mon 11/17/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 16, 1997 2:38 am Subject: Re: Movements of a Visionary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 97-11-03 04:27:07 EST, you write: << > Also in the early 70s I remember watching a really corny documentary about two surfers travelling the world in search of the perfect wave... >> Steve: could this film be titled 'Endless Summer'? I saw the movie but had no idea I was listening to TD music (not knowing the group at all at that time). All I remember was the usual Surfin' Safari -like driving rock sound that usually accompanied surfing movies. It was good though. Not much chance of finding that movie at the local video store I suppose! Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 16, 1997 4:51 pm Subject: Re: Which album have you listened to most in y ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle On Sat, 15 Nov 97 15:09:55 EST, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: I'm catching up with some more recent output but my all-time heaviest listens are still: 1) Jardin Au Fou by Roedelius 2) Full Circle by Colin Towns 3) Stratosfear by TD Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 5:33 am Subject: How many times... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- >> Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) >> >> Mine in 'Low', by David Bowie. >> >> I worked out the other days that I've listened to it over 1500 times. >> >> I know, I need a life ;-) >Has to either be Transformers the Movie (the score, not the vocal >she-ite) but since I haven't had that long enough...I guess it'd be ALL >of Mark Shreeve's albums (minus Redshift of course)...which are >currently on hiatus because I need a breather from it...shooooweeee. Out >comes the Goblin and Rush! Eli, stop influencing me dammit! >Dano Don't forget you love Magellan, too! Heh heh You're all the better for it, Dan, heh heh. First there was (too embarrassed to mention the band(s), so I won't, ha ha); then the Tangs commanded my aural focus; and so has Mark Shreeve (ASSASSIN through NOCTURNE) and Goblin (anything!); also, Rush (SIGNALS/GRACE UNDER PRESSURE--many, many times' plus, all their other albums, lost count long ago). As of most recently, Eternity X's THE EDGE has spun many, many times in my CD player. If you could burn out the grooves in a cd like on an el-pee,... I bought OASIS, which is great. But I finally (slap me) got around to getting JMJ's OXYGENE 7-13, and this one's definitely gonna unseat OASIS--it has everything I like: melodies, bass, great analog sounds, bitchin' sequences, another typically lame cover (ha ha)... E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 16, 1997 11:24 am Subject: RE: Upcoming Edgar interview ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Richard Hello there! > If anyone has anything else to ask let me know and I'll pass it on. No one tought to that? - Will TD tour on North America soon? - Will they add more suff than Stratosfear and Betrayal from the Baumann/Froese/Franke years? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 16, 1997 4:48 pm Subject: TDlive Baltimore 1992 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mak0shark@a... Does anyone have video or audio from TD's live performance at Johns Hopkins Shriver Hall (Baltimore, MD, USA) on Oct. 15, 1992? Please e-mail me back at: Mak0shark@a... Thanks, Stephen From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 16, 1997 4:48 pm Subject: Re: Which album have you listened to most in your life? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes Probably one of these: Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells (the very first 'exquisite' music I liked when I was a teenager in the 70's, I still enjoy this album). Tangerine Dream - Tangram (the first complete TD album I heard, taped by a friend. I only bought the album a few years later, but that tape was played again and again... ) Jean Michel Jarre - Equinoxe (the first CD I bought, and my favourite J.M.Jarre album) Antonio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 16, 1997 5:29 pm Subject: Re: I dreamed a dream / what can it mean? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 97-11-05 07:25:48 EST, you write: << I'm just left with this image of Edgar 'nailed' to a crucifix which is being raised by a crowd below; the scene is lit only by bright white spotlights focused on Edgar's figure I dreamed a dream and Edgar was playing Christ, so what can it mean? >> My goodness,Lars, you certainly do have detailed dreams! I've had a few TD dreams myself and thought perhaps I was getting too spaced out on this group so I'm glad to see I'm not the only one and maybe I'm normal ( or as normal as this group here gets :-) LOL, that's a joke guys!). Anyway, I'm no psychoanalyst, but I've read a book or two, plus the pages of this site so it seems to me the above section of your dream is fairly literal. In the days when electronic music was new and mostly improvisational on instruments actually created or at least improved by Mr Froese, he was GOD. I even saw somebody say that here some time back. The crucifix is the stage, the bright spotlight is on the performer, the crowd is the fans come to see the show. But his own fans are crucifying him. Just continue to read what is printed on this site to hear the whining and complaints of where Mr Froese is going with his music. Sure, you're all entitled to your opinions IMHO, but some of the out and out attacks have to make a true fan (read fanatic) a little uncomfortable. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 16, 1997 6:35 pm Subject: Re: Edgar interview question: answered ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS It was his past, no reason why > he should go BACK instead of FORWARD. He was also a bit tired of people > always droning on about the late seventies and how they would like TD to > return to that style of music. If people didn't like the recent output then > they simply shouldn't buy the CDs anymore he said. > > That's it. > > Wave ~~~ > > Tom Words of wisdom from the legendary axe hurler himself! I wish I could have seen that 'expressive face' he had. Somewhere between needing a dose of Metamucil or a spoonful of Mylanta? What is is with Eddie that makes him dislike the past and the fact that it pleases people. One thing is for sure, when Eli & I do a gig we sure won't tell people that if they don't like our music they shouldn't buy our CD's. That's like telling your child that if they don't like their dinner they don't have to eat it. Yeah, no kidding Edgar. Dan the happy man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 16, 1997 7:46 pm Subject: TD Soundtrack Answers (The Keep, etc) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS Why is so little of the actual music from the film on the CD-- > especially since the claim, 'This soundtrack is the first and only > authorized release of the complete music material from the movie,' is > listed on the outside of the CD? There are only two tracks from the > film on the CD, whereas there are eight on the bootleg!!! > o Neither version of the film's highly-memorable end-theme is on the > CD (there is an alternate longer ending to the film that contains > seven minutes more of music which are more dynamic and invigorating > than any other music in the entire film). Why aren't these there? > o Why isn't the seven minute variant of 'Moorland'--which plays during > the footage where the Scott Glenn character pilots a boat to Romania-- > on the CD? > o Are the tracks which were selected for the soundtrack's original > 1984 release (tell Edgar that at least 3 list subscribers have seen > a copy of this so-called non-existent record) the same as those > selected for the recent release? > o What is the story with the 3 tracks played over German radio: > 1) 'Fisherman's Morning' a/k/a 'Ancient Powerplant' > 2) 'Romanian Road' a/k/a 'Voices from a Common Land' > 3) 'Sailing Mission' . . . > only two of which appear on the official CD and none of which appear > in the film itself? > o Will any more music from THE KEEP appear on the 25-CD Set? > > >4. Why do they play exact duplicates of what's on the albums in concert? > > Good question. > > >If anyone has anything else to ask let me know and I'll pass it on. > > Since the FORBIDDEN, RED HEAT, and RED NIGHTS are being released, > and there's reportedly 60 hours of material from STREETHAWK, what are > the chances of a multi-CD set of STREETHAWK material? > Did Edgar really have any compositional credit on TIMESQUARE? > > >Scott E. Plumer > Unfortunately, in the soundtrack realm we have what is know as reuse fees. This basically means that if you want over 30 minutes of music you might have to pay a lot more. I don't mean only a few thousand more...a LOT more. This is why some of your favorite OST's might only have 30 minutes of score when over 70 exists. Why put out an OST (original soundtrack) that's 60 minutes long when you can do it for half as much and make just as much money? The soundtrack business is not as cheap or easy as you might think. Sometimes rights for every single track are split up between several people. Someone might just have gotten lucky and bought the rights for an extremely cheap price but won't resell them at a low cost..thus the track is omitted and forgotten. There is a good question that even I have a foggy answer for. Why is it that they release music NOT contained in the film on the OST but leave music IN the film unreleased. A perfect example of this would be Near Dark. Anyone notice Caleb's Blues is NOT in the movie and in the movie the main title is NOT on the OST? Why is this? There are a few people we can blame for this but which one? Could be TD but doubtful. They have NO say over what gets put on an OST if they sell the rights with the movie (which is usually the way it goes whether they like it or not) such as in the Silva Screen releases. Anyway, WHY isn't the awesome end title on this new Keep CD that has been put out? From what I have heard from Cd producers is that rights to the music have been split up...therefore I don't think Edgar has the rights to put certain tracks from the Keep out (or he's a complete idiot and just didn't like that track so he left it off). I personally don't know what the hell TD's problem is if they have all rights to The Keep and just decide not to put it all out. I can say that the company I work for endeavors to release ALL tracks to a score, no matter how 'unmixed' or 'unsequenced' it might be. That is how an OST should be released. Other than reuse fees or licensing disputes, there is NO real reason a score shouldn't be released in it's completeness. Unfortunately, I know how the deals get made in the OST industry and it's a shame that it takes so long. This is what eventually leads to people getting fed up and producing bootlegs. Uh oh, another thread. Regards, Dan the happy dude From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 16, 1997 7:04 pm Subject: D: _)(_ 'Tournado' _)(_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... 'Tournado' November 16, 1997 Tangerine Dream 'Tournado' Published 1997 Purchased 1997 TDI International TDI1008CD I was not in much of an 'all fired' hurry to order this one over the NET, at inflated 'sellers market'prices. But I may have been mistaken about its value. Messages on this list seemed a bit on the COOL side, so I decided to wait until I happened to see it in the flesh before I snapped it up. Finally found it at Border's For Books, just outside of Chicago for $9.99. Had to sit on it at work for a few hours. Then I got a chance to put it on a Mark Levinson CD Transport, Processor, Pre-Amp, Amp, B&W Matrix 802 system, and rattle the store windows late on last Friday night. Now, I am definitely Old School Tangerine Dream. I love that early stuff more than words can express. 'Rubicon', 'Phaedra', 'Force Majeure' and all that ground breaking stuff sends me into Seventh Heaven, and rightly so. (Smug little bastard!) I wasn't expecting much but retread tunes on this 'Tournado' recording, but actually I was (and am) blown away by the sound, musicianship, and liveness of this package. The dovetailing of the tunes in this performance is nothing short of miraculous. I love it. The actual performance must have been God-like in its execution. If the liner notes are to be believed, this was recorded in real time with no overdubs or editing, which makes it even more spectacular. I am hard pressed to find anything to complain about with this CD. OK, that little 'YES' chorus segment at the end of 'Touchwood' does burn me a little. I really hate that crap. Aside from that ten second stretch, however, I think this is the finest music that TD has put out in sometime. It is much more consistent than 'Goblins' Club' or any of their recent studio work. The 'Live' aspect of 'Tournado' easily surpasses '220 Volt - Live'. There is an energy running through this recording which I cannot describe very well, but it takes me on an unparalleled journey through much of the current and recent history of the group in a very delightful way. The itinerary is well thought out, the bridges are well executed, and the solo musicianship is virtually flawless. Even the Midi-Programming is about as live sounding as anything else they have done. If I didn't know better I would say that this all sounds like live keyboard playing. There is none of that computer driven artificiality which I have heard numerous times on some of the fan tapes. I am not saying that this is everybody's cup-a-tea, such is definitely not the case from what I remember reading, but I give it a personal, unqualified, rave review. Of course that may be because I haven't purchased any TD this year yet. Maybe it's only like a good meal after fasting for a few days. Perhaps even a recording of Edgar dropping his guitar on the stage would have sounded good, especially after this long without an addition to my TD collection. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8786 D: _)(_ 'Tournado' _)(_ Erik Sanborn Mon 11/17/1997 4 KB 8799 Re: D: _)(_ 'Tournado' _)(_ dn3 Tue 11/18/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: Re: THE KEEP--SPECIAL EDITION, Blue Moon & LOGOS TYPE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! The Keep FAQ will be posted tonight; I'm in the final editing process right now. And BTW, though it has a few errors, nice job on your comparison...but you are not a Jedi yet!;) goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: RE: Upcoming EF I'view in Progression ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > ><2. Will he really hand the band over to Jerome soon? >1. Why did you backslide/renege on terminating Tangerine Dream back in >1988/89? > Or were those rumors without foundation? Were you not asked this >question > backstage at the 1988 Philadelphia gig after the show? Because Paul left the band and Jerome wasn't ready to take it over by himself, that's why. He wasn't going to end the band, just retire from it with Paul and Jerome at the helm. Sure, he could've ended it anyway (derisive, smartalec snickering from certain of our group can be heard now), but instead opted to wait a little longer. He hasn't 'reneged' on anything. There are two constants in creation; one of them is that _things change_. Geez, some of you people out there really need to lighten up a bit! ;) goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 16, 1997 8:41 pm Subject: Re: Goodbye y'all ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... Wish you wouldn't go, Grant. As a fairly new person to this site, I was looking forward to intelligent discussions about TD (not what music to have sex with a blow up doll) and your comments were some of the best. I have even printed your essay about 'Stuntman' to better understand that album which I happen to like a great deal. I sure will miss you. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 16, 1997 8:22 pm Subject: RE: Free TD Stuff /MOST LISTENED TO ALBUMS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS HI. I SAID SO BEFORE STAR WARS STAR WARS STAR WARS STAR WARS!!!!! MY MOST LISTENED TO ALBUMS: 1. ESCAPE FROM NY-J.CARPENTER/HOWARTH 2. THIEF-TD 3. THE BURNING-WAKEMAN 4. FOXES-G. MORODER( LOVE THE BATTLESTAR ALBUM TOO!) 5. ZOMBIE(-BOOT) F. FRIZZI ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Saturday, November 15, 1997 12:27 AM To: tadream@c... Subject: RE: Free TD Stuff To Give Away Part 2!! (Little TD Content) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sturminatr@a... >Really-From: DJS >5. (and now the throwaway) 'Prisoner transfer from cell block 1138' Don't know if the stuff has been given away as of yet, but since a few posts have incorrectly identified this puppy, I have to give a hint to those interested. Namely, the line right before it: 'Where are you taking this...thing?' Address your thanks to, B. Kirby PS - TD Content - After finally listening to my own Horizon Music TD CD order, I have to say how impressed I was with Oasis. Was that a semblance of a sequencer rhythm I heard on there? The rest, unfortunately, was not Oasis. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re ENDLESS SUMMER: Never Say Never ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Movements of a Visionary >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:38:36 -0500 (EST) >Really-From: AOutland@a... > >[. . .] 'Endless Summer'? I saw the movie but had no idea I was >listening to TD music (not knowing the group at all at that time). >[. . .] Not much chance of finding that movie at the local video store >I suppose! Dell I saw a used copy of this video for $6 at a record shop last month. [But then, I'm the guy who claims to have seen THE KEEP, copies of the STRATOSFEAR LP with the title only on a sticker and not on the album, and UFOs in New Mexico in 1979--so you takes yer chances! ;)] I *did* see THE ENDLESS SUMMER video for $6, though, for *sure*. -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the Air Force has silenced it personnel.' --Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, the 1st director of the CIA, quoted in THE NEW YORK TIMES, February 28, 1960. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8788 Re: Re ENDLESS SUMMER: Never Say Never Plumer, Scott Mon 11/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: The TD Gospel According to Grant Middleton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Goodbye y'all >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:41:11 -0500 (EST) >Really-From: AOutland@a... > > Wish you wouldn't go, Grant. As a fairly new person to this site, >I was looking forward to intelligent discussions about TD [. . .] and >comments were some of the best. [. . .] I sure will miss you. Dell Oh good, now I have an excuse to forward this juicy posting to the GoldTri list that Grant wrote recently re TD. Enjoy everybody! :) (Please note that since Grant is no longer subscribed to the tadream list, that comments to him re the forwarded message below should be sent either GoldTri or Grant himself.) -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:21:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Grant Middleton Subject: [goldtri] A tinge of Tangerine ? To: GoldTri Mailing List Message-Id: <5926211013111997/A12107/SULLY/11BB6A951800*@M...> Sender: owner-goldtri@a... Reply-To: goldtri@a... Hi folks, I was wondering about the attitude (which seems highly prevalent at the moment) towards Tangerine Dream which credits them with just about every progress in electronic music since 1970. Now, don't get me wrong. I know I'm stepping on a potential land-mine by bringing this up on GoldTri (arguably even more so on Tadream). But I think it's worth giving credit where credit's due and looking elsewhere when it's not. In the '70s, TD were the masters of the genre, without a doubt. They had the most gear and were constantly involved with instrument manufacturers, making sure that new equipment was viable in a musical context. Chris Franke developed the metronomic, trance-inducing sequencer sound. Peter Baumann was very skilled at making abstract sounds. Edgar Froese made sure at all times that the _musical_ ideas were never forgotten in the rush to make something new and shiny. Are these, in fact, the three corners of a space-music triangle ? Rhythm, Composition, Abstraction. I don't think it was a conscious decision on their parts - the chemistry just appeared because it sounded right to them. So these three guys created a unique sound. But it had its roots in many other places. Rock was one; Edgar formed TD to be essentially a covers band, banging out a strange German blend of Hendrix, the Stones and The Doors. Classical music; Chris Franke had a classical upbringing and was also very interested in the modern classical composers like Stockhaussen, Cage and Ligeti. Pure electronics; Baumann was skilled in electronic engineering and also had a fondness for early electronic experiments like the Theremin, tone generators, echo units, Leslie cabinets, etc. One of the strongest influences was Pink Floyd. You only have to listen to early Floyd recordings like Saucerful of Secrets or Meddle to hear the prototype space-rock. Guitars used as tone generators, echo units being 'played' in real-time, liberal use of any studio equipment to make noises weirder than had ever been heard before. Underpinning this psychedelic chaos was a primal drumbeat and solid chord sequences and melodies. Rhythm, Composition, Abstraction. Now let's look forward in time. By the end of the 1970's, people knew the word 'synthesizer'. It conjured up images of large black boxes, littered with knobs, 'capable of making any sound imaginable'. (Yeah, right. Capable of making any weird electronic sound imaginable.) But how much of this was due to Tangerine Dream ? How much, instead, was due to Jean Michel Jarre, Brian Eno, Kraftwerk, Vangelis, Keith Emerson ? It wasn't only TD who used synths, and they were not the most publically visible users of the equipment. During the 1980's synths dropped dramatically in price, and it became the equivalent of the cheap 'copy' guitar. Punks with synths ! Electro pop was the order of the day, typified by such bands as the Human League and Depeche Mode. There was no mystique left. In the 1990's, another phenomenon happened - dance. Young people the world over were having a second summer of love. The LSD of the '60s had been replaced by the MDMA of the '90s. The distorted guitar had been replaced by a Roland TB-303 Bassline sequencer. The pounding tom-toms of the hippy drummer had been replaced by a MIDI computer sequencer. But one thing was missing; Where did the melody go ? Where did all these compositional niceties go ? The kids didn't need it - in fact they actively avoided it. Rhythm, Abstraction. The sound of rave is the sound of the moment. A metronomic beat tunes in to your brain and _makes_ you want to dance. Electronic abstract sounds are the icing on the cake; Baroque splashes of colour which dance around the stereo field like shimmering fractal images. A composition carefully built up, nurtured, had no place in the minds of the dancers - long-term attention now meant following a snare-drum roll building up over the course of 8 bars. This is what Edgar Froese hates about the public face of electronic music in the 1990's - there is no subtlety in composition. So long as the beat goes on and there's plenty ear-candy to latch onto, a composition in the classical sense has as much relevance as following the storyline of a movie while you're E'd up (none, so I've been told - never touch the stuff). For the same reason that Edgar would be horrified by rave music, the ravers would be horrified by the music of Tangerine Dream from the '70s. Yes, they introduced the sequencer, yes, they had a feel for cool sounds, but they also sound so damn MUSICAL ! Force Majeure is one of my fave TD albums, but it must seem interesting to a raver only when seen in its historical context. It's a bit like a Steve Martin fan looking back at a Charlie Chaplin slapstick comedy. The roots are there if you look hard enough - it can be _appreciated_, but how many times do you really laugh your ass off ? Rave came out of hip-hop and disco. It owes more to Giorgio Moroder than TD. The flip-side of rave is ambient-house (for want of a better term). This is typefied by large, cavernous soundscapes, subtle details to tickle your ears and again, this complete absence of melody or composition. Even in their most abstract moments, you knew that TD would 'come out the other side' and create something of beauty, something frightening, something rockin', whatever. Ambient-house pieces start, happen, then finish. No flux, just a continuum of sound so that you don't feel too lonely on your way down from the ecstasy of a rave. Look to New Age, not TD, for the roots. The real legacy of TD can be seen in those artists who are providing the three elements of rhythm, abstraction and composition. If any are missing, then the spirit of TD is missing. Who's got it ? Redshift T-Bass Mind~Flux Paul Nagle Jean Michel Jarre Node Mark Shreeve Ozric Tentacles Andy Pickford Who hasn't ? Elemental RMI All the above is, of course, my opinion, not necessarily that of every GoldTri member. :) Grant -------------------------------------------------------------------- Grant Middleton, Senior Software Engineer, Marconi Simulation, UK Phone: +44 (0)1383 - 828027 Fax: +44 (0)1383 - 824227 E-Mail: grant.middleton@g... Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9240/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8782 Re: The TD Gospel According to Grant Middleton matt knudson Mon 11/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 1:03 am Subject: the Keep (1984) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Steve, I think you were wondering if the 1984 VHS release of the Keep contained any different music than the later public release of the video. I have a copy of the 1984 version and nothing appears to be unusual about it... (ie. no long ending)... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 1:00 am Subject: streethawk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean 60 Hours? There were only 13 episodes!!! MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: THE KEEP FAQ (LARGE POST) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! Well, here it is! I hope you have more fun reading it than I did compiling it (let's just say that I'm all 'Keeped' out!) But first a few points: -Please use Courier (or any true monospaced font) to properly view the FAQ -Please set your window to 80 for the same reason -I did _not_ use the Keep CD-R for two reasons: I wanted to do a comparison that the majority would find useful (i.e: there were 2200 copies of the 'officially' pressed boot vs. about 40 for the CD-R), and...I can't find my tape copy of the CD-R! IIRC, the music contained on it is essentially the same, with just a few more bits (although I confess it has been _quite_ some time since I listened to the tape...) and in poorer sound quality. If I ever find my tape again, or if I finally break down and aquire the CD-R, I _MAY_ add that info to this FAQ. -The following sources were used in compiling this FAQ: The Keep laserdisc, The Keep TDI limited edition CD, The Keep boot CD, the Logotypes CD-R, the Logos CD, the Rubycon CD, the Daydream/Moorland single, the White Eagle CD, as well as various articles, interviews and personal conversations (special thanks to Edgar and Mark S.) where needed One more note; I have endeavoured to maintain an objective viewpoint regarding this subject, as I do with all my FAQ's. But on a personal level, this is a subject that strikes close to my heart, as I am indeed one of those 'fortunate' ones to have spotted the mythical Keep LP when it originally appeared. At least that what my mind has told me all these years, plus all of the other anecdotal 'evidence' I've accumulated. But until someone finally comes forward and presents a real, honest-to-goodness copy of the thing, I have to admit I may be wrong. And for crying out loud, Steve; please, please, _PLEASE_ give it a rest! I think Mulder and Scully have a few questions they would like to ask you...;) And now, let's get on with it! ++++++++++++++++++++ THE KEEP FAQ ++++++++++++++++++++ No other film score the band has done has evoked quite the passion - or controversy - as this one. The story of the original 'release' of the score is a far better horror/suspense/mystery tale than the film itself! I won't waste any time discussing the film itself; it really isn't all that good (murky, passionless, poorly edited), especially when you realize what it could have been. But the score, on the other hand... Coming off the very successful collaboration with Michael Mann on his previous film _Thief_, TD was asked to do the score to Mr. Mann's adaptation of the horror novel, _The Keep_. Tangerine Dream's score for the film makes you feel what the film should have been; dark, eerie, tense. It establishes the right mood and atmosphere for the viewer (and, although wasted, for the film as well.) The music in this film doesn't serve as a counterpoint to the action, it instead acts as an extension of the scene; a true, 'traditional' underscore, if you will. Unfortunately, the score cannot carry the film itself. However, I feel that it _can_ stand on it's own merits. There are a few interesting notes and anecdotes about this project that some may find interesting, although a little of it is common knowledge. This was the second film the band scored for director Michael Mann, with whom they had a very good working relationship. He was often cited by Edgar as one of his favorite people to work with, and had the band not already committed to score _Streethawk_, they would have instead scored _Miami Vice_, at Mr. Mann's original invitation. The band actually visited the location set during the shooting of the film, which was not the usual way of doing things for them. Mr. Mann also wanted to TD to adapt a theme from Eno's _Life in the Bush of Ghosts_ for the 'Release' scene (see below), which they declined to do, but they _did_ adapt a piece of a popular UK children's christmas TV special: 'Theme from the Snowman' by Howard Blake! This was used as the film's end theme, and is also the reason that it hasn't seen release, as they do not own the rights to publish it (although a another variant can be heard as 'Logos Part D'.) A few parts of the original music composed for the film ended up being replaced by themes found on the _Logos_ and _Logotypes_ CD's, for the usual directorial reasons; some of these themes are to found on _The Keep_ limited edition CD. And of course the most interesting fact is the tale of the original release of the soundtrack... As with all TD soundtracks (indeed, almost any film soundtrack), the music contained on the album was different than the actual film score in many ways. Several of the cues were remixed or adapted into new compositions, and some of the film's most important cues were left out. This was partially due to the fact that some of them could be found on _Logos_, so it was decided not to duplicate material. At the time, TD were contracted to Virgin, and without a US distributor. This is where things start to go a little fuzzy. The film studio, Paramount, had a distribution deal with MCA Records. So MCA entered into negotiations with Virgin to not only release the soundtrack, but other TD albums as well. At some point _after_ the initial albums were pressed, but _before_ they were to be shipped, the deal fell through. It has never been fully revealed as to why this happened. In any case, an initial shipment of the albums were delivered to various distributors, a consequently retailers, around the US. As there was already a recall order, any copies that made it out were pulled from the shelves, probably the same day. It is unknown whether any Virgin copies were likewise released. Again, I worked for the retailer that stocked the album in the first place, so I _know_ that it was actually _in stock_ at one time. As to whether or not anyone purchased one, I cannot say. But if indeed it was out there, then _someone_ must have bought one, and this person (or persons) is a elusive as the album itself! Now for a few comments about the score as used in the film. There is a grand total of 67:26 of music in the film. This can be broken down into 12 separate themes (plus one short 'sting'.) Four of the themes are used multiple times, forming 'suites', as it were. I've titled them so as to help everyone place them in the film (at least those who have seen it.) They are as follows, beginning with the 'suites': The Keep Theme- (1) Dinu Pass (4:41) (2) The Crosses (2:30) (3) Black Soldiers (1:25) (4) Glaeken's 'Death' (1:58) Glaeken's Theme- (1) Awakening (3:21) (2) Love Theme (4:11) Molasar's Theme- (1) Stiener's Remains (:45) (2) 'I Will Be Free!' (:25) (3) Incarnation (2:35) (4) The Evil Within (3:40) Cuza's Theme- (1) Reunion (3:13) (2) Renewed Purpose I (3:05) (3) Renewed Purpose II (:55) (4) Revelation (3:05) Stormbringer (Main Titles) (4:19) Release (7:20) Generator (:14) Manifestation (Gloria Theme) (2:58) Descent Into Madness (3:44) Betrayal (1:00) The Talisman (4:56) Final Conflict (3:25) The Price (End Titles) (5:01) I'll now provide a chart which lists the film cues in order of appearance and the corresponding tracks from the two Keep CD's: MOVIE CUES: THE KEEP BOOT: THE KEEP TDI: Stormbringer The Keep N/A (Main Titles) (Main Title) The Keep Theme Glaken's Quest N/A (Dinu Pass) The Keep Theme Glaken's Quest/ Supernatural Accomplice<2> (The Crosses) Deadly Silver Crosses<1> Release Brothers in Death N/A Glaeken's Theme The Keep 'Mid Theme' N/A (Awakening) The Keep Theme Glaken's Quest N/A (Black Soldiers) Molasar's Theme N/A N/A (Stiener's Remains) Molasar's Theme N/A N/A ('I Will Be Free!') Cuza's Theme N/A The Night in Romania (Reunion) Generator N/A Supernatural Accomplice<3> Manifestation Gloria<4> Puer Natus Est Nobis (Gloria) (Gloria Theme)<4> Cuza's Theme N/A The Night in Romania (Renewed Purpose I) Cuza's Theme N/A The Night in Romania (Renewed Purpose II) Glaeken's Theme The Keep 'Mid Theme' N/A (Love Theme) Molasar's Theme N/A N/A (Incarnation)Ý Descent Into Madness N/A N/A Betrayal Evil Healing<5> The Challenger's Arrival<6> The Keep Theme Glaken's Quest N/A (Glaeken's Death) Molasar's Theme N/A Supernatural Accomplice<3> (The Evil Within) The Talisman N/A Canzone Cuza's Theme N/A The Night in Romania (Revelation) Final Conflict ÝÝ N/A N/A The Price The Keep 'End Theme' N/A (End Titles) KEY: Contains 'Logos Red Part' with a choir pad overdub Adapted into 'Moorland' 'Logos Part 2a' Ý 1st 1:00 unreleased/Logos Part 2a mixed with 'Rubycon Part 2' intro _Logotypes_ 'Renewed Purpose' Actually 'Rubycon Part 2' intro mixed with 'White Eagle' intro sfx Adapted into 'Sailing Mission' (only 2 note bass part & flanged sting here) Adapted from 'Theme From the Snowman' by Howard Blake; also reworked into 'Logos Part 2d' ÝÝ Only cue unreleased in any form; mostly sfx, not remarkable <1> 'Glaken's Quest' mixed with mid-to-end of 'Deadly Silver Crosses' <2> Last 2:38 of track is a remixed version of cue w/o percussion <3> Just the opening processed bell sound, later used in 'Flying Kamikaze' <4> Both are the same remixed version of film cue <5> Small section in middle of 'Evil Healing' w/o percussion and sequences; see also <6> only 2 note bass part; see also So, as you can see, if you want to hear the _complete_ score, it's _technically_ not possible. But you can get almost all of it by loading both _Keep_ CD's, _Logos_ and _Rubycon_. Or you can just make a tape of the music from the movie and try to ignore the dialogue and sfx. Also, the boot CD which has been purported to be the final album master, is in fact a studio demo tape, which explains why there are _5_ versions of 'The Keep' theme ('The Black Soldiers', 'Deadly Silver Crosses', 'Glaken's Quest', 'The Evil From Within' and 'The Black Soldiers [1st mix]') _2_ versions of 'Stormbringer' ('Dinu Pass' and 'The Keep [Main Title]') and _2_ versions of 'Betrayal' ('Evil Healing' and 'Sailing Mission')! And most of these are different than the actual film cues! Finally, I'd like to provide a brief track commentary on the TDI _Keep_. This really is a very nicely done package, and it provides a wealth of material from the 2nd golden period of TD. The sound quality is great... and revelatory. I was always curious about the tracks that were originally broadcast on 'Schwingungen' to spite the labels intransigence in settling the matter. There are flaws evident, especially in 'Fisherman's Morning' and 'Sailing Mission', that I was never sure were due to FM noise, poor quality taping by whomever, or actual master tape flaws. Now I know. They were master tape flaws, which are still detectible, and speak to why Edgar said he spent 6 weeks preparing the tapes! And with only 4 remixing exeptions (AFAIK) which are all noted as 'modern', it's all original to the period. I've made a few notes about some of this in the following: 'Puer Natis Est Nobis' (Gloria Theme) 3:09- This is a different version of the film cue, and has a longer ending than on the boot; same tape flaw evident 'Ancient Powerplant' 4:28- This was also titled 'Fisherman's Morning', and it too has an extended ending 'The Silver Seal' 3:07- Has a _Wavelength_ feel to it; probable alternate cue; some clipping evident 'Voices From a Common Land' 4:07- This was also titled 'Romanian Road', also with an extended ending 'Arx Allemand' 4:24- Nice baroque piece; some tape flaws evident 'The Night In Romania' 3:16- Also known as 'Renewed Purpose' on _Logotypes_ 'Canzone' 2:51- The first of the modern remixes; contains the operatic sample from 'The Talisman' 'Sign in the Dark' 4:20- Also known as 'Desert Run' from _Logotypes_; probable alternate cue 'Weird Village' 3:23- Contains a bit of 'Running Through the Hills'; probable alternate cue; modern ending 'Love and Destiny' 3:31- Possible alternate cue; flaws in tape evident 'The Challenger's Arrival' 4:32- This was also titled 'Sailing Mission'; same tape flaw evident 'Supernatural Accomplice' 4:08- Contains elements of 'Release' and 'The Keep Theme (The Crosses)' 'Parallel Worlds' 4:30- Possible alternate cue; possible modern overdub added 'Truth and Fiction' 2:52- Probable alternate cue 'Wardays Sunrise' 3:21- Alternate version of 'The Challenger's Arrival' 'Heritage Survival' 4:14- Also known as 'Rush of Joy' from _Logotypes_; probable alternate cue; remixed with addition modern material ++++++++++++++++++++ END OF KEEP FAQ ++++++++++++++++++++ Well, that about wraps this up. I hope this was informative and interesting. But before I go... FAQ CONTEST #2! This is gonna be painful...especially if anyone knows this!;) Here goes: 'TD did have _one_ song featured in a Miami Vice episode; what song was it?' To win, be the first person to correctly name the song. If you can also name the episode, you need therapy! Also, please list your favorite live release. The winner will receive a very interesting and rare prize! Deadline for entries is Saturday, November 30. If there is no winner, I probably should have picked an easier question! Certain members of this list are excluded from winning (you know who you are!) to make it challenging. No purchase necessary. All rebates to dealer. See store for details. E Pluribus Unum. Good luck! 8P goozer PS: I'm too tired to proof this for a third time, so if any typos have slipped through, I apologize. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 1:05 am Subject: Firestarter/Country music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean I finally dug out the movie and listened to that segment mentioned last month (where they were driving up the road to the farm). It is indeed the most 'country' sounding segment I've heard to date... Mainly acoustic guitar sounds.... MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8763 Re: Firestarter/Country music The Guy Who Didn't Write the Mon 11/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Yet Another Different Ending to THE KEEP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: THE KEEP--SPECIAL EDITION, Blue Moon & LOGOS TYPE >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 97 13:43:16 -0600 (CST) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >The Keep FAQ will be posted tonight; I'm in the final editing process >right now. [. . .] Methinks you presume too much. What makes you think you're cut out for the job? ;) >[. . .] And BTW, though it has a few errors, nice job on your comparison... [. . .] Thanks. >[. . .] but you are not a Jedi yet!;) Okay, so what is it you know that I don't? I . . . o am one of the few here who's actually seen the 1984 album o am one of the few here who's read the book by F. Paul Wilson o am one of the few who has the commercial release of the movie on tape o am one of two here who has seen the syndicated-TV-only version of the end of the film o am one of three here (because of me) who has the syndicated-TV-only version of the end of film on audio tape o am one of the few here who has the Blue Moon boot and LOGOS TYPE and THE KEEP--SPECIAL EDITION (so far, anyways) o am one of the few here who can check for data on this movie in all four TD books (THE DREAM LIVES ON!, VOICES IN THE DUNES, MYSTERIOUS SEMBLANCE, and DIGITAL GOTHIC). Okay, so I still have yet to hear the THE COMPLETE WORKS OF THE KEEP CD-R. One can't have everything, can one? Speaking of MYSTERIOUS SEMBLANCE . . . because of something Lars said to me on the phone earlier today, I looked for info on THE KEEP in THE DREAM LIVES ON!, and found the following (which, somehow, I don't think is in your FAQ): From 'THE DREAM LIVES ON!' by Alan Vincent Michaels, 1990, 'The Tangerine Dream Movie Soundtrack Reference' section, page 3: Note that there are several different endings to THE KEEP. In the videotape version, Scott Glenn is shown dying at the end, and the end credits consist of red lettering over a black background. The USA TV shows Glenn floating around, with the end credit music from the videotape version. The woman re- enters the Keep and finds Glenn alive. The end credits consist of sky shots, wind noise, and white lettering superimposed over the background. The Japanese or European release of the film also has a different ending. What really shocks me about the above is the USA TV version to which Michaels refers is *not* the 'syndicated-TV-only' version that *I* saw! It's different! This, of course, means that *this* version, too, has different music. This, in turn, means that Scott should ask Edgar how many endings there are since he had to supply music for the three or more endings that we now know exist! X-0 -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the Air Force has silenced it personnel.' --Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, the 1st director of the CIA, quoted in THE NEW YORK TIMES, February 28, 1960. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8770 Re: Yet Another Different Ending to THE KEEP Hermes Guzman Mon 11/17/1997 6 KB 8773 Re: Yet Another Different Ending to THE KEEP DJS Mon 11/17/1997 5 KB 8780 TD books dn3 Mon 11/17/1997 3 KB 8807 Re: TD books Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 11/18/1997 3 KB 8821 Re: TD books dn3 Tue 11/18/1997 4 KB 8777 Re: Yet Another Different Ending to THE KEEP Paul Nagle Mon 11/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: THE KEEP--SPECIAL EDITION, Blue Moon & LOG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: THE KEEP--SPECIAL EDITION, Blue Moon & LOGOS TYPE >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:15:03 -0500 (EST) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > >It may not be a good representative ST album, but is it good as 'lost >period TD', do you think? [. . .] Well, it by definition is 'lost period TD' insofar as it is previously-unreleased TD, but 'good'? Yeah, most of it is good as opposed to awful, but good as opposed to great? It's too soon for me to tell. I've only played it twice, so far. >[. . .] If you like what's on it, does it make a huge difference? >(playing devil's advocate here). [. . .] Er, there are, after all, people on this very list who prefer, say, OPTICAL RACE to THE PARK IS MINE, so likes don't have to do much with anything. ;) And yes, it makes a difference. >[. . .] Maybe this is Edgar's vision of what HE wanted the soundtrack >to be. [. . .] I find this untenable. Most of the film's better compositions are not there, and what has taken their place is iffy material that in some cases doesn't even rank with what's on WAVELENGTH or BEYOND THE STORM. >[. . .] Would this music have suited the film better than what was >ultimately used as the ST material? No way, no how. Believe me: one listen will disabuse you of that notion. -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the Air Force has silenced it personnel.' --Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, the 1st director of the CIA, quoted in THE NEW YORK TIMES, February 28, 1960. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re the 1984 Video Release of THE KEEP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'The Guy Who Didn't Write the THE KEEP FAQ' >Subject: the Keep (1984) >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:03:15 -0600 (CST) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Michael A Jean > >Steve, > >I think you were wondering if the 1984 VHS release of the Keep contained >any different music than the later public release of the video. [. . .] I don't think so. What's on the VHS release is the same as what's on the cable version. I never thought that there had been different releases of the video in the USA. The versions that are different are those shown on network and syndicated American television as opposed to pay cable of any sort (although showings on Ted Turner-owned stations like TBS and TNT might invalidate this statement). >[. . .] I have a copy of the 1984 version and nothing appears to be >unusual about it... (ie. no long ending)... Good to know. That's one more question out of the way. ;) :) -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the Air Force has silenced it personnel.' --Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, the 1st director of the CIA, quoted in THE NEW YORK TIMES, February 28, 1960. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: That Squishy CD Hub in the THE KEEP Ltd. Ed. Box ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'The Guy Who Didn't Write the THE KEEP FAQ' When I removed the CD from that squishy clearish blue center hub, I noticed that there was residue on the outside of the center of the CD, and that there was even more of this on the back of the booklet that had been resting on it. Smelling this hub thingy, I noticed that the odor was/is much like that of playdough. I--like most people--have had playdough as a toy. I actually have a quantity of it right now that I found and use to weight down a flimy light Conair telephone, so I am not operating with a distant memory as to its properties. One of the things playdough does is exude a sort of oil. I cut a circle of white paper and placed it between the hub and the booklet, and the next day, when I opened the CD box again, I saw a ring on the paper where it had come in contact with the hub. Tonight, I will be cutting a circular section out of an old used mylar comic bag and try that out. It should work because mylar is archivally neutral and non- porous. It was Lars' idea for me to mention this on the list. -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the Air Force has silenced it personnel.' --Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, the 1st director of the CIA, quoted in THE NEW YORK TIMES, February 28, 1960. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Associations Between TIMESQUARE Tracks & Other TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman I've only played TIMESQUARE twice, now, but some sounds and tunes appeared to be familiar: 1.) MOBOCASTER Twilight Brigade (TURN OF THE TIDES) Dreamtime (220 VOLT LIVE) 2.) JUNGLE JACULA Roaring of the Bliss (THE PRIVATE MUSIC OF TANGERINE DREAM) 3.) TOWARDS THE EVENING STAR Towards the Evening Star (that was too easy, hee hee) 4.) DIGITAL SISTER (nothing yet) 5.) PIXEL PIRATES Dreamtime and Towards the Evening Star 6.) CULPA LEVIS Iowa (THE CLUB DREAM MIXES) 7.) TIMESQUARE Loved by the Sun (LEGEND) Change of the Gods (THE DREAM MIXES) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8854 Re: Associations Between TIMESQUARE Tracks & Othe dn3 Wed 11/19/1997 4 KB 8860 Re: Associations Between TIMESQUARE Tracks & Othe Gabe Yedid Wed 11/19/1997 4 KB 8929 Re: Associations Between TIMESQUARE Tracks & Othe AOutland@a... Fri 11/21/1997 2 KB 9025 Re: Associations Between TIMESQUARE Tracks & Othe dn3 Mon 11/24/1997 4 KB 9123 Re: Associations Between TIMESQUARE Tracks & Othe AOutland@a... Thu 11/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Firestarter/Country music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'The Guy Who Didn't Write the THE KEEP FAQ' >Subject: Firestarter/Country music >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:05:41 -0600 (CST) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Michael A Jean > >I finally dug out the movie and listened to that segment mentioned last >month (where they were driving up the road to the farm). It is indeed >the most 'country' sounding segment I've heard to date... Mainly >acoustic guitar sounds.... Told ya. :) >MJ -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the Air Force has silenced it personnel.' --Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, the 1st director of the CIA, quoted in THE NEW YORK TIMES, February 28, 1960. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 4:50 pm Subject: Live In N.A.? Wishful Thinking... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' If anyone has anything else to ask let me know and I'll pass it on. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 2:21 am Subject: 'The Keep' Long Ending ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >Really-From: 'The Guy Who Didn't Write the THE KEEP FAQ' > >>Subject: the Keep (1984) >>Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:03:15 -0600 (CST) >>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >>Really-From: Michael A Jean >> >>Steve, >> >>I think you were wondering if the 1984 VHS release of the Keep contained >>any different music than the later public release of the video. [. . .] > I don't think so. What's on the VHS release is the same as what's >on the cable version. I never thought that there had been different >releases of the video in the USA. The versions that are different are >those shown on network and syndicated American television as opposed to >pay cable of any sort (although showings on Ted Turner-owned stations >like TBS and TNT might invalidate this statement). >>[. . .] I have a copy of the 1984 version and nothing appears to be >>unusual about it... (ie. no long ending)... > Good to know. That's one more question out of the way. ;) :) > -- Steven Feldman Er, I forget *which* network aired 'The Keep' years back, but they did run it with the 'long ending' that Dano referred to, (the alternate ending which stayed truer to the novel, i.e. Scott Glenn's character lives), with the nice, juicy long end title. E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 2:36 am Subject: D:Electronic Dreams/Solo 1974-1979 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Not much has been said of these two Edgar Froese compilation releases, but I think some information needs to be posted. First of all, these two releases are only available on LP, so maybe this is a reason so few posted on this. If you take these two compilations and join them together, they give a beautiful insight into Edgar's solo career. I am so happy that this man made the effort to make solo records. There is not one that I can say I don't enjoy. Yes, I can critique some of the tracks, but in general his releases are top notch EM and consistent. And I can never get enough of Edgar's mellotron during those early years. Secondly, the compilations are misleading because they do contain somewhat new music. Here are the tracks: 1. Panophelia 2. Upland 3. Maroubra Bay (backwards!) 4. Drunken Mozart in the Desert 5. IF 810 6. Tropic of Capricorn (excerpt and re-mix) 7. Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (excerpt) 8. PA 701 (re-mix) 9. Stuntman 10. OS 452 (re-mix) 11. Pizarro and Atahuallpa (re-mix) 12. NGC 891 (re-recorded) It's quite interesting listening to Maroubra Bay. I'm not a fan of Edgar's re-mixes, but OS 452 is good and different (but I prefer the original) and we have a new look on NGC 891. Great music, even better when when it's easily being played on a single CD-R! Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8769 Re: D:Electronic Dreams/Solo 1974-1979 Steven Feldman Mon 11/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 2:38 am Subject: RE: Froese I'view < Progression ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >> >><2. Will he really hand the band over to Jerome soon? >>1. Why did you backslide/renege on terminating Tangerine Dream back in >>1988/89? >> Or were those rumors without foundation? Were you not asked this >>question >> backstage at the 1988 Philadelphia gig after the show? >Because Paul left the band and Jerome wasn't ready to take it over by >himself, that's why. He wasn't going to end the band, just retire from it >with Paul and Jerome at the helm. Yeah, then they could've stole David Bryan away from Bon Jovi and completed the trio!!!! HAHAHAHAHA > Sure, he could've ended it anyway >(derisive, smartalec snickering from certain of our group can be heard >now), but instead opted to wait a little longer. He hasn't 'reneged' on >anything. There are two constants in creation; one of them is that _things >change_. Geez, some of you people out there really need to lighten up a >bit! ;) >goozer Hey, gooz, can't you see Scott and I are over here? This is 'Progger's Corner' HAHAHA I laughed aloud at this one! Your response *lighten up* is exactly the same thing I told many people----and then they started hammering down on Dano and myself! Actually, we just want this question to be asked of the Blond Viking so we can read what he'll say. John Collinge is a fairly good interviewer, he did an exquisite job interviewing Fish (a 10+ pager!). You name yourself well, 'gooz'!! You know, I would have felt a lot more comfy with Ed leaving the TD reins to Jerome if Paul H. was still around...Shit, gooz, you think Ed would end TD and skip all those soundtrack deals? Why do you think they did so many? With up to five OST deals going at once (at one point in 'Tangstory'), you know he was able to afford some nice b-day gifts for Jerome!! 'Here, my son, have ANOTHER Trinity!!!' HAHAHAHA 'Would you like another LesPaul--or Fender--my son? Floyd Rose pickup or Kahler pickup? Eddie Van Halen sent you another signed whammy bar today!!!' Regards!!! E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 2:36 am Subject: D:Solo Week 23 - Nov. 17, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This week we would like to hear comments on: Edgar Froese - Beyond the Storm ------------------------------- Please make subject heading 'D:Beyond the Storm' when replying. This is the last week for Froese as far as the D: thread is concerned. So get in any late reviews/comments. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: D:Electronic Dreams/Solo 1974-1979 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: D:Electronic Dreams/Solo 1974-1979 >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 21:36:16 -0500 (EST) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Vic Rek > >[. . .] Here are the tracks: [From ELECTRONIC DREAMS:] >1. Panophelia >2. Upland >3. Maroubra Bay (backwards!) I've said it twice and will say it a third time: this song works equally well backwards, and is really cool. {From SOLO 1974-1979:] >4. Drunken Mozart in the Desert >5. IF 810 >6. Tropic of Capricorn (excerpt and re-mix) >7. Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (excerpt) >8. PA 701 (re-mix) >9. Stuntman >10. OS 452 (re-mix) Excellent! >11. Pizarro and Atahuallpa (re-mix) >12. NGC 891 (re-recorded) Really good. >It's quite interesting listening to Maroubra Bay. I'm not a fan of Edgar's >re-mixes, but OS 452 is good and different (but I prefer the original) >[. . .] Feh. Not me! >[. .. ] and we have a new look on NGC 891. [. . .] Yes, it's as different as the version of 'Upland' on BEYOND THE STORM! -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: Re: Yet Another Different Ending to THE KEEP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! >Really-From: Steven Feldman >>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >> >>The Keep FAQ will be posted tonight; I'm in the final editing process >>right now. [. . .] > > Methinks you presume too much. What makes you think you're cut out >for the job? ;) Hopefully this has now been answered! ;) >>[. . .] And BTW, though it has a few errors, nice job on your > comparison... [. . .] > > Thanks. You're welcome! >>[. . .] but you are not a Jedi yet!;) > > Okay, so what is it you know that I don't? I . . . (...) > o am one of two here who has seen the syndicated-TV-only version of the > end of the film Do not assume that only _two_ of us on the list have seen the US extended ending version! I personally know of a few more than that! > o am one of three here (because of me) who has the syndicated-TV-only > version of the end of film on audio tape See above... (...) > o am one of the few here who can check for data on this movie in all > four TD books (THE DREAM LIVES ON!, VOICES IN THE DUNES, MYSTERIOUS > SEMBLANCE, and DIGITAL GOTHIC). None of which were really all that helpful, to be honest (though I don't have _Mysterious Semblance_ yet) as I was more interested in the comparing the score, and none of them really discuss it in any detail. > Okay, so I still have yet to hear the THE COMPLETE WORKS OF THE KEEP >CD-R. One can't have everything, can one? Actually, yes you can...if you really try!;) And, no, I'm not interested into staging a pissing contest with anyone...it would be a waste of my time (as well as for most of you!) ;) > Speaking of MYSTERIOUS SEMBLANCE . . . because of something Lars >said to me on the phone earlier today, I looked for info on THE KEEP in >THE DREAM LIVES ON!, and found the following (which, somehow, I don't >think is in your FAQ): > >>From 'THE DREAM LIVES ON!' by Alan Vincent Michaels, 1990, >'The Tangerine Dream Movie Soundtrack Reference' section, page 3: > > Note that there are several different endings to THE KEEP. > In the videotape version, Scott Glenn is shown dying at the > end, and the end credits consist of red lettering over a black > background. The USA TV shows Glenn floating around, with the > end credit music from the videotape version. The woman re- > enters the Keep and finds Glenn alive. The end credits consist > of sky shots, wind noise, and white lettering superimposed over > the background. The Japanese or European release of the film > also has a different ending. > > What really shocks me about the above is the USA TV version to which >Michaels refers is *not* the 'syndicated-TV-only' version that *I* saw! >It's different! This, of course, means that *this* version, too, has >different music. This, in turn, means that Scott should ask Edgar how >many endings there are since he had to supply music for the three or more >endings that we now know exist! X-0 Again, my goal was to make the FAQ useful to as broad a segment of this list as possible _without_ delving into film version minutae. There was a lot of other purely film-related tidbits I could've included, but first and foremost people want to know about the _score_! Look, _none_ of the different versions contain any _new_ cues; the extension of the end theme doesn't count as _new_, just _different_! Editing down the existing full-length cue was most likely done during post-production without the band's involvement. And, BTW, the US/NBC version Mr. Michaels describes is the only other broadcast version, AFAIK! When was the last time you _saw_ the version you remember? I saw the NBC version just this past March on videotape. My guess is that you've seen the same version (not the same physical tape, of course), especially since I watched this original copy tape at a certain well-known collectors' house in Boston... Anything else I can clarify for anyone? Bueller...Bueller.... goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 4:14 am Subject: D: Beyond The Storm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' Look, the consensus may be that BtS's version of 'Upland' stinks, but I happen to like it a lot! It's updated, IMHO, with the snarling organ lead and thumpthump drum programming. 'Shores of Guam' is a good one, and so's 'Carneol.' But the two all-time Edgar smoker's are 'Detroit Snackbar Dreamer' and 'Drunken Mozart In The Desert,' both of which--voila!!--are immediately accessible for listening on BtS. Hasta lasagna, don't get any on ya!!! E-Man Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8789 D: Beyond The Storm Erik Sanborn Mon 11/17/1997 3 KB 8804 Re: D: Beyond The Storm Dave Brewer Mon 11/17/1997 4 KB 8927 D: Beyond The Storm Mark Jones Fri 11/21/1997 5 KB 8817 Re: D: Beyond The Storm Elias Granillo, Jr. Tue 11/18/1997 5 KB 8836 Re: D: Beyond The Storm Dave Brewer Wed 11/19/1997 3 KB 8934 Re: D: Beyond The Storm Hermes Guzman Fri 11/21/1997 3 KB 8992 Re: D: Beyond The Storm AOutland@a... Sun 11/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 6:18 am Subject: Re: Live In N.A.? Wishful Thinking... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 08:50 AM 11/17/97 -0800, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > > ><> If anyone has anything else to ask let me know and I'll pass it on. > > ><- Will TD tour on North America soon? > >IMO, I really doubt it, since they don't have a major financial backer or >label like Virgin Int'l, Private Music, Miramar, etc., to help them out. > ><- Will they add more suff than Stratosfear and Betrayal from the > >IMO, more wishful thinking on the part of the fans, since Edgar >more-often-than-not has to mention how TD pushes itself 'forward,' with no >reason whatsoever to explore the past (save the few obvious classics they >throw in to please the audience--that's why the Rockoon show was that much >less interesting than the Optical Race show), whether musically or >nostalgically. If Edgar would, at the very least, toss out 'Betrayal' and >surprise us with perhaps excerpts from 'Monolight' or 'Ricochet,' the show >would be that much better. Why doesn't Edgar just compose something new, but yet as aesthethically pleasing and with the same creative depth and skillful sequencing as some of the older music? Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 7:31 am Subject: Re: Yet Another Different Ending to THE KEEP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Subject: Re: THE KEEP--SPECIAL EDITION, Blue Moon & LOGOS TYPE > >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 97 13:43:16 -0600 (CST) > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > > >[. . .] And BTW, though it has a few errors, nice job on your > comparison... [. . .] > > Thanks. > > >[. . .] but you are not a Jedi yet!;) > > Okay, so what is it you know that I don't? I . . . > o am one of the few here who's actually seen the 1984 album > o am one of the few here who's read the book by F. Paul Wilson > o am one of the few who has the commercial release of the movie on tape > o am one of two here who has seen the syndicated-TV-only version of the > end of the film > o am one of three here (because of me) who has the syndicated-TV-only > version of the end of film on audio tape > o am one of the few here who has the Blue Moon boot and LOGOS TYPE and > THE KEEP--SPECIAL EDITION (so far, anyways) > o am one of the few here who can check for data on this movie in all > four TD books (THE DREAM LIVES ON!, VOICES IN THE DUNES, MYSTERIOUS > SEMBLANCE, and DIGITAL GOTHIC). > > Heh, that you know of, of course. I have a friend who is a Keep fanatic who owns every Keep movie version, every Keep OST (minus the new one as yet), and every Keep book. He's a freak, such as yourself, and thanks to me & a couple others he owns several items that even you don't have, mr Keep. I'd mention them but in my business that could be bad business. I still have yet to see this 'fabled Keep LP'. Anyone who has a copy could get some neat stuff from me if they can give me a glimpse. Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8780 TD books dn3 Mon 11/17/1997 3 KB 8807 Re: TD books Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 11/18/1997 3 KB 8821 Re: TD books dn3 Tue 11/18/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 7:20 am Subject: Re: Streethawk Material? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Vic Rek > > >[...]and there's reportedly 60 hours of material from STREETHAWK, what are > >the chances of a multi-CD set of STREETHAWK material? > > Pretty good. I already have it :-) > > Vic Except that there's only about 12 hours of music heh, which VERY few of us have. Keep your pants on everyone, we're looking into the possibility of releasing a 5 cd set but at this time (aside from rights fun & frustrations) we're not sure there are enough TD fans to make it worthwhile. Perhaps a limited edition at a higher price? Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 6:44 am Subject: Perry Rhodan for trade ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky I have an Extra copy of Chris Franke's Perry Rhodan: Pax Terra, that I would like to trade. I am looking for the the following CD's: Ambient Monkees most any TD bootleg Times Square The Keep Special Edition Klaus Schulze: DSOM 2 DSOM 6 Interface Aphrica LP Or feel free to offer something. I have all the regular TD releases. Please send your Trade Ideas to HGHLNDR@w... Thanks, Robert Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8802 Re: Perry Rhodan for trade DJS Mon 11/17/1997 4 KB 8819 Re: (HUMOR) Perry Rhodan for trade Robert Grabowsky Tue 11/18/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 8:03 am Subject: Guestbook Fake ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Anyone catch the 'fake' entry into the TD guestbook as Edgar Frose slashing at Jean M. Jarre about his compositions? I guess it really upset the TD offices.. Had me fooled when I first read it. Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8812 Re: Guestbook Fake AOutland@a... Tue 11/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 3:52 pm Subject: Re: Yet Another Different Ending to THE KEEP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle On Sun, 16 Nov 97 19:46:43 EST, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: > o am one of the few here who's read the book by F. Paul Wilson I loved the book. The film was OK. The Music Average. But the music and the film did not work together. It was very irritating to have apparently randomly-chosen sections of TD appearing totally out of context in what should have been an atmospheric soundtrack. My two cents, as they say in some foreign place.... 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 16, 1997 5:33 am Subject: Re: Upcoming Edgar interview ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Stuart Park > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:13:12 -0500 > Subject: Re: Upcoming Edgar interview > > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > On Nov 14, 2:47pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > > Subject: Upcoming Edgar interview > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > > > > I just got off the phone with the editor of Progression magazine. He > > told me he's trying to set up an interview with Edgar and wanted to know > > > Yeah, I'd like to know when they plan to tour North-America (way overdue by my > account...) I'd like to know if Edgar ever intends on touring Australia again.. a _lot_ more overdue than North-America. :) Stuart Park E-Mail: stuart @ banana.psd.com.au Melbourne, Australia From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 7:20 pm Subject: Tournado cd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ashok prema Phil Naunton wrote << I wasn't expecting much but retread tunes on this 'Tournado' recording, but actually I was (and am) blown away by the sound, musicianship, and liveness of this package. The dovetailing of the tunes in this performance is nothing short of miraculous. I love it. The actual performance must have been God-like in its execution. If the liner notes are to be believed, this was recorded in real time with no overdubs or editing, which makes it even more spectacular.:>> Ha! Ha! Ha!... Edgar and Jerome didn't play any live music either.........what's so spectacular about running stuff of a DAT or even sequencer?? Yes, the music is good......Tournado is my most played album currently.......and the show was good......but lets not have any pretensions about the live content of the synth parts!! Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8818 Re: Tournado cd PNaunton@a... Tue 11/18/1997 3 KB 8864 Re: Tournado cd DJS Wed 11/19/1997 4 KB 8900 Re: Tournado cd Plumer, Scott Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB 8908 Re: Tournado cd Sean Montgomery Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 12:14 pm Subject: TD books ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dn3 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > > >Subject: Re: THE KEEP--SPECIAL EDITION, Blue Moon & LOGOS TYPE > > >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 97 13:43:16 -0600 (CST) > > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > > >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > > o am one of the few here who can check for data on this movie in all > > four TD books (THE DREAM LIVES ON!, VOICES IN THE DUNES, MYSTERIOUS > > SEMBLANCE, and DIGITAL GOTHIC). ?????Where can you get these books from? Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8807 Re: TD books Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 11/18/1997 3 KB 8821 Re: TD books dn3 Tue 11/18/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 12:47 pm Subject: good job goozer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> thanks to Goozer for the in-depth Keep FAQ! (and to Steven too for his contributions to this discussion) good job! lars (now if I could just find a copy of that damned video!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 1:54 pm Subject: Re: The TD Gospel According to Grant Middleton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) What is this GoldTri list you all are talking about? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 1:08 pm Subject: Re: TD books ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jens Peschke tadream mailing list wrote: > > > four TD books (THE DREAM LIVES ON!, VOICES IN THE DUNES, MYSTERIOUS > > > SEMBLANCE, and DIGITAL GOTHIC). > > ?????Where can you get these books from? > > Dennis VITD is out of print, IIRR.DG is very good, IMO. Sorry, no source since I´ve got my copy as a gift :-) MS is from the American list member Scott.Plumer@t... and very good too, IMHO. Hope this helps Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8794 Re: TD books Plumer, Scott Mon 11/17/1997 2 KB 8800 Re: TD books dn3 Tue 11/18/1997 4 KB 8803 Re: TD books DJS Mon 11/17/1997 4 KB 8813 Re: TD books AOutland@a... Tue 11/18/1997 2 KB 8899 Re: TD books Plumer, Scott Thu 11/20/1997 4 KB 8901 Re: TD books Plumer, Scott Thu 11/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 2:46 pm Subject: RE: Suggestions for Scott's Edgar Interview ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>1. How much of what they play live is really live? (i.e., do they really >>use DAT in concert) > Don't expect honesty if this question is dignified with an answer >at all. In an interview from '86 he or Chris said about 60 percent of their music came from pre-programming, and I wondered how that percentage has changed. I wouldn't ask him 'Do you really just mime to a tape?' >>2. Will he really hand the band over to Jerome soon? > I think in the case of TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II he already has, >and in the case of AMBIENT MONKEYS he *should* have. ;) Rumor has it that he'll retire and hand ALL control over to Jerome. >>3. What's the story with the Keep? (Why it took so long, why that ST, >>etc.) > IMHO, better questions re this music would be: > o Why is so little of the actual music from the film on the CD-- > especially since the claim, 'This soundtrack is the first and only Now that I've listened to it, I'd ask that question as well. I'd also like to know what happened to the other 45 min. of music they did for Sorceror. . . Scott > 'Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to > believe > that the Keep soundtrack from 1984 is nonsense. To hide the facts the > record company > has silenced its personnel.' --Admiral Steven H. Feldmankoetter, the > 1st director of the KIA, quoted in THE NEW YORK TIMES, February 28, > 1990. > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 2:58 pm Subject: Ltd-edition Klaus Schulze/Ashra/Christopher Franke CD sets for sale! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jonathan Miller Hi everyone, I have the following limited-edition CD sets for sale in absolutely perfect condition, priced in UK pound sterling. Any interested parties should contact me via the details below: Klaus Schulze, 'Jubile Edition': a 25-CD set (!) of unreleased studio and live recordings spanning the last 25 years, released this summer to celebrate Schulze's 50th birthday, no less. I'm looking for offers in the region of £325 for this one! Klaus Schulze, 'Silver Edition': an autographed 1993 10-CD set of unlreased mostly early 1990s studio and soundtrack recordings, although it also includes 1975 and 1977 concert recordings. Offers in the region of £125. Ash Ra Tempel, 'The Private Tapes': a 1996 6-CD set of unreleased 1970s and 1980s recordings by Manuel Gottsching and his groups Ash Ra Tempel and Ashra. Offers around £100. Christopher Franke, 5 limited-edition 'Babylon 5' 'episodic' CDs containing music from the following single shows in its entire length: 'Severed Dreams'; 'A Late Delivery From Avalon'; 'Walkabout'; 'Shadows Dancing' & 'Z'Ha'Dum'. £80 ono for the set. Best wishes and continued success with your future projects, jsm Jonathan Scott Miller jonathan@j... MOBILE: +44 (0)410 264815 TEL: +44 (0)1582 563377 FAX: +44 (0)115 982 1205 'Snail Mail': JONATHAN MILLER PRODUCTIONS 159 Westmorland Avenue Leagrave Luton Bedfordshire LU3 2PT UK ============================================== ****** 'WORDS PAINT A THOUSAND PICTURES!' ****** ============================================== Best wishes and continued success with your future projects, jsm Jonathan Scott Miller jonathan@j... 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(tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 2:54 pm Subject: D: _)(_ 'Tournado' _)(_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) > Really-From: PNaunton@a... (snip) > I wasn't expecting much but retread tunes on this 'Tournado' > recording, but actually I was (and am) blown away by the sound, musicianship, > and liveness of this package. The dovetailing of the tunes in this > performance is nothing short of miraculous. I love it. I totally agree with you on the dovetailing of the tunes, but not with the following comment. > I am hard pressed to find anything to complain about with this CD. > OK, that little 'YES' chorus segment at the end of 'Touchwood' does burn me > a little. I really hate that crap. Funny. I actually consider that bridge between Touchwood and Towards the Evening Star to be one of the best of the album. I can understand that some may find it a bit trite but I don't find the vocalizations objectionable. To each his own, I guess. > Aside from that ten second stretch, > however, I think this is the finest music that TD has put out in sometime. > It is much more consistent than 'Goblins' Club' or any of their recent > studio work. The 'Live' aspect of 'Tournado' easily surpasses '220 Volt - > Live'. It's consistent with Goblin's Club, most definitely. However, my only gripe with Tournado is the lack of differentiation from the studio versions of the tracks. I really enjoy a live performance when it adds something new to a studio track, or alters its perspective. The performances on Tournado are incredibly well executed but they're not more interesting than the studio versions to me. I agree with your comparison to 220 Volt Live but I still yearn for the occasional 'shining moment' in a live performance, such as when Edgar picks up his axe and gives the audience a wailing good solo! (snip) > Perhaps even a recording of Edgar dropping his guitar on the stage would > have sounded good, I'd go for that, too. :-) Cheers, Erik Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8799 Re: D: _)(_ 'Tournado' _)(_ dn3 Tue 11/18/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 3:08 pm Subject: RE: _)(_ 'Tournado' _)(_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > There is an energy running through this recording which I cannot >describe very well, but it takes me on an unparalleled journey through much >of the current and recent history of the group in a very delightful way. The I got it over the weekend. I like it too. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 3:11 pm Subject: RE: Re ENDLESS SUMMER: Never Say Never ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >copies of the >STRATOSFEAR LP with the title only on a sticker and not on the album, I have a friend who has it! It's real! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 3:04 pm Subject: D: Beyond The Storm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > >Look, the consensus may be that BtS's version of 'Upland' stinks, but I >happen to like it a lot! It's updated, IMHO, with the snarling organ lead >and thumpthump drum programming. Snarling? Never thought of it as such. I don't like the BtS version of Upland because the organ/synth line and the thumpy rhythm doesn't go anywhere. Too much repetition, too little substance. To me, it seems like a cheap add-on to the original track. I find it rather lame. Glad someone likes it, though. :) >'Shores of Guam' is a good one, and so's >'Carneol.' But the two all-time Edgar smoker's are 'Detroit Snackbar >Dreamer' and 'Drunken Mozart In The Desert,' both of which--voila!!--are >immediately accessible for listening on BtS. They're good, but the track that does it for me is Magic Lantern. 'Hi, my name is Edgar and this is my guitar.' ;^) >Hasta lasagna, don't get any on ya!!! > >E-Man Pasta man~ana, Erik Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8804 Re: D: Beyond The Storm Dave Brewer Mon 11/17/1997 4 KB 8927 D: Beyond The Storm Mark Jones Fri 11/21/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Die meridianen part 3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: scooter@m... (John Von Pey) Hello all, The saga continues.... Yesterday I listened to a copy of 'The emerald beyond'. And yes, it is the same concert as registered on 'Die meridianen von Zymbiola' and on 'The dremas are known to you'. The copy I heard was entitled 'Acoustic LSD', and was a cd. So now we've got four different titles, but all from one concert. But which? The emerald beyond: Live in Detroit Die meridianen von Zymbiola: Live in Seattle The dremas are known to you: Live in Kansas Acoustic LSD: Live in Seattle And another question: Voices in the dunes say that 'The emerald beyond' is release on two different colours vinyl: Red vinyl with a yellow(?) label, and black vinyl with a blue label. Now the interesting part: 'Die meridianen' and 'The dremas' are also black vinyl with a blue label. Is there anyone one this list who can tell me/us if there is a matrix code on the vinyl of 'The emerald', and what this code is? At the moment I have somehow suspect that 'The emerald' is also the same pressing as 'Die meridianen' and 'The dremas'. 'The dremas are known to you' has the matrix code 'TD - DA' and 'TD - DB' engraved in the vinyl. I hope to hear something soon. Tadream on, John Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8797 Re: Die meridianen part 3 dn3 Tue 11/18/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 1:46 pm Subject: Re: Streethawk Material? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim Moore' > Really-From: DJS > Except that there's only about 12 hours of music heh, which VERY few of > us have. Keep your pants on everyone, we're looking into the possibility > of releasing a 5 cd set but at this time (aside from rights fun & > frustrations) we're not sure there are enough TD fans to make it > worthwhile. Perhaps a limited edition at a higher price? Well, how many bought the Babylon 5 set? - jimbo 'And always remember the last words of my grandfather, who said, 'A truck!' ' --Emo Phillips 'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 4:04 pm Subject: RE: Live In N.A.? Wishful Thinking... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' ><- Will TD tour on North America soon? >IMO, I really doubt it, since they don't have a major financial backer or >label like Virgin Int'l, Private Music, Miramar, etc., to help them out. If Ed says no, why don't we collect money for a tour fund, like they did with Marillion? (If you're not familiar with this, a group of fans from the Marillion mailing list collected money from fans to bring them to the US. They collected over $20000. That's twenty-thousand. They were here in September.) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 4:08 pm Subject: RE: Live In N.A.? Wishful Thinking... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Why doesn't Edgar just compose something new, but yet as aesthethically >pleasing and with the same creative depth and skillful sequencing as some >of the older music? Maybe he feels he is. . . Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 4:10 pm Subject: RE: TD books ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >MYSTERIOUS > SEMBLANCE, >?????Where can you get these books from? >Dennis Well, if you send a UK tour t-shirt to me. . . :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 4:08 pm Subject: Re: Streethawk Material? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Nov 17, 8:46am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Streethawk Material? > Really-From: 'Jim Moore' > > > Well, how many bought the Babylon 5 set? > > - jimbo I did. I received it 10 days ago but haven't had a chance to listen to it yet. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 4:20 pm Subject: KEEP Cue ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' Paul Nagle said: >I loved the book. The film was OK. The Music Average. But the music >and the film did not work together. It was very irritating to have >apparently randomly-chosen sections of TD appearing totally out of >context in what should have been an atmospheric soundtrack. I disagree. The segment from 'Logos' accompanying the German soldiers (the slo-mo wide angle particularly) investigating the keep: I can't think of another piece of music I'd want in its place. E-Man Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8811 Re: KEEP Cue Steve Quinney Tue 11/18/1997 4 KB 8829 Re: KEEP Cue Paul Nagle Wed 11/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 4:30 pm Subject: Re: Die meridianen part 3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dn3 On Mon, 17 Nov 97 14:14:25 +0100 tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: scooter@m... (John Von Pey) > > > Hello all, > > The saga continues.... > > Yesterday I listened to a copy of 'The emerald beyond'. And yes, it is the > same concert as registered on 'Die meridianen von Zymbiola' and on 'The > dremas are known to you'. The copy I heard was entitled 'Acoustic LSD', and > was a cd. > > So now we've got four different titles, but all from one concert. But which? > > The emerald beyond: Live in Detroit > Die meridianen von Zymbiola: Live in Seattle > The dremas are known to you: Live in Kansas > Acoustic LSD: Live in Seattle I haven't heard 'Dremas' or 'Meridianen', but as far as I know, 'The Emerald Beyond' and 'Acoustic LSD' are totally identical. My CD, anyway, is titled 'Acoustic LSD - The Emerald Beyond'. Mark Filipak (does anyone know where he is and what he's doing at the moment?) supplied some information on the concert this music is taken from, and apparently, it was not in Seattle at all. As far as I remember, it was a concert in the Ford Auditorium, Detroit, in 1977. I think Mark gave me the precise date, but all I remember is that it was during the Stratosfear tour, which also 'Patrolling Space Borders' is taken from. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 1:39 am Subject: Baumann's solo for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Richard Bilek Just quick information: Peter Baumann's CD Trans-Harmonic Nights is now on sale on: http://mcs.nl/groove/ Enjoy! Richard Bilek From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 4:41 pm Subject: Re: D: _)(_ 'Tournado' _)(_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dn3 On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:54:48 -0500 tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) > > > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > (snip) > > > I wasn't expecting much but retread tunes on this 'Tournado' > > recording, but actually I was (and am) blown away by the sound, musicianship, > > and liveness of this package. The dovetailing of the tunes in this > > performance is nothing short of miraculous. I love it. > > I totally agree with you on the dovetailing of the tunes, but not with the > following comment. I hope you don't mind if I disagree then. I thought the dovetailing of melodies was somewhat crude and abrupt during the European tour (during which Tournado was recorded), and a lot better executed at the Shepherd's Bush concert that was part of the UK tour. The bridges they used during the European tour mostly consisted of sustaining the last chord of the song just played, with Emil brushing his cymbals a little bit; then they played some fairly heavy-handed (IMO) chords over a steady note, before the sequencer part of the next song set in. The only exception from that template which I could spot was the melodic pattern just before 'Sundance Kid', which, being in the first set, is not on Tournado, though. I'm not saying that the UK bridges differed principally from those, but they seemed somewhat more elaborate and fluent. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 4:47 pm Subject: Re: TD books ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dn3 On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:08:09 +0100 tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Jens Peschke > > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > > four TD books (THE DREAM LIVES ON!, VOICES IN THE DUNES, MYSTERIOUS > > > > SEMBLANCE, and DIGITAL GOTHIC). > > > > ?????Where can you get these books from? > > > > Dennis > > VITD is out of print, IIRR.DG is very good, IMO. Sorry, no source since I´ve got my > copy as a gift :-) > MS is from the American list member Scott.Plumer@t... and very good too, > IMHO. > > Hope this helps > > Jens > Okay. So I've got Digital Gothic (I agree that it's good, but Paul Stump tends to be a bit in-your-face with his criticisms), I've ordered Mysterious Semblance (I didn't realise it was called that) from Scott, and I won't get hold of the other two, unless someone here knows where I could still get them, or wants to offer them for sale/trade...???? Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 5:47 pm Subject: FW: Upcoming EF I'view in Progression ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Helen Nemeth Hello, The following information is not much help when the person who subscribed has left the company & his email account has been disabled. The mail is now being forwarded to someone who does not want it. Please remove khomes@p... from this list, or send me the address of the list owner. Thanks in advance Helen ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ [Helen] Helen Nemeth Rational Software Corporation Olivier House 18 Marine Parade Brighton BN2 1TL Tel: +44 (0)1273 624814 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 624 364 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 7:37 pm Subject: Re: Perry Rhodan for trade ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Robert Grabowsky > > I have an Extra copy of Chris Franke's Perry Rhodan: > Pax Terra, that I would like to trade. > > I am looking for the the following CD's: > > Ambient Monkees most any TD bootleg > Times Square > The Keep Special Edition > > Klaus Schulze: > DSOM 2 > DSOM 6 > Interface > Aphrica LP > > Or feel free to offer something. I have all the regular TD releases. > > Please send your Trade Ideas to HGHLNDR@w... > > Thanks, > Robert Hey Rob ol buddy, how about I trade you an original sock that Adrian Paul wore while he filmed his great battle scene with noneother than the lead singer of the Fine Young Cannonballs! The sock is in excellent condition and if you sniff hard enough you can still smell his feet. Heh heh. Dano (PS, Conan tapes'll be sent out this week) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8819 Re: (HUMOR) Perry Rhodan for trade Robert Grabowsky Tue 11/18/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 7:42 pm Subject: Re: TD books ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: dn3 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > > > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > > > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > > > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > > > > >Subject: Re: THE KEEP--SPECIAL EDITION, Blue Moon & LOGOS TYPE > > > >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 97 13:43:16 -0600 (CST) > > > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > > > >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > > > o am one of the few here who can check for data on this movie in all > > > four TD books (THE DREAM LIVES ON!, VOICES IN THE DUNES, MYSTERIOUS > > > SEMBLANCE, and DIGITAL GOTHIC). > > ?????Where can you get these books from? > > Dennis We sell Digital Gothic for $25. Call SC at 1-800-99-sci-fi if you wanna order it. Dan the happy man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 6:40 pm Subject: Re: D: Beyond The Storm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) > > >Quoted From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > >Look, the consensus may be that BtS's version of 'Upland' stinks, but I > >happen to like it a lot! It's updated, IMHO, with the snarling organ lead > >and thumpthump drum programming. > >[...] > To me, it seems like > a cheap add-on to the original track. I find it rather lame. Glad someone > likes it, though. :) I agree, Erik. I always thought that Edgar turned Upland into a workout song on BtS. (c'mon, kick those legs higher! let's see some sweat! :-) ) > >But the two all-time Edgar smoker's are 'Detroit Snackbar > >Dreamer' and 'Drunken Mozart In The Desert,' both of which--voila!!--are > >immediately accessible for listening on BtS. Huhh?? DSD and DMitD are both immediately accessible for listening on Stuntman also... (those two are my fave tracks on that album) > > They're good, but the track that does it for me is Magic Lantern. > 'Hi, my name is Edgar and this is my guitar.' ;^) That is a fine track indeed. I just wish he didn't use a 1-bar repeating drum pattern and a fixed drum fill. (I could see him standing over the drum machine with his finger hovering over the 'drum fill' button, waiting for the right moments to punch it) > > >Hasta lasagna, don't get any on ya!!! > > > >E-Man > > Pasta man~ana, > > Erik > Damn, I'm getting hungry! :-) Dave B. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 7:52 pm Subject: Re: Streethawk Material? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Jim Moore' > > > Really-From: DJS > > Except that there's only about 12 hours of music heh, which VERY few of > > us have. Keep your pants on everyone, we're looking into the possibility > > of releasing a 5 cd set but at this time (aside from rights fun & > > frustrations) we're not sure there are enough TD fans to make it > > worthwhile. Perhaps a limited edition at a higher price? > > Well, how many bought the Babylon 5 set? > > - jimbo > B5 sells VERY well but that show has many many more fans than TD or Street Hawk. I wish I could base how many B5 cd's we've sold to figure profit margin for SH...but the fact is that most people buying the B5 OST are B5 fans...NOT Chris Franke Fans (hence the fact that Raven and Perry Rhodan sold for dung). B5 is a merchandising empire now, proof is the fact that we sell little B5 bubble buddies...and they sell! What is a bubble buddy? Don't ask. ;-p Dan the cool dude From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 7:08 pm Subject: Re: Which album have you listened to most in your life? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Stephen A. Yensen' Tapestry - by Carole King ... Logos comes a close second. TaDream on.. Steve. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 10:34 pm Subject: Re: TD books ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 12:14 PM 11/17/1997 +0000, Dennis wrote: >> > >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >> > o am one of the few here who can check for data on this movie in all >> > four TD books (THE DREAM LIVES ON!, VOICES IN THE DUNES, MYSTERIOUS >> > SEMBLANCE, and DIGITAL GOTHIC). > >?????Where can you get these books from? > >Dennis > 'Mysterious Semblance' was written by Scott Plumer, who replied asking for a T-shirt in trade. He is serious. Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8821 Re: TD books dn3 Tue 11/18/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 11:21 pm Subject: TD Tour of N.A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >><- Will TD tour on North America soon? >>IMO, I really doubt it, since they don't have a major financial backer or >>label like Virgin Int'l, Private Music, Miramar, etc., to help them out. >If Ed says no, why don't we collect money for a tour fund, like >they did with Marillion? (If you're not familiar with this, a group of >fans from the Marillion mailing list collected money from fans to bring >them to the US. They collected over $20000. That's twenty-thousand. They >were here in September.) >Scott If Tangerine Dream could promise us a good setlist, the return of Edgar's extended guitar spotlight, and some other interesting quirks, it might be worth it. Though I think Marillion fans are fanatics (I understand they're worse than TD fans), they did manage to raise all that money (I didn't, I'm not a fan of Hogarth-era Marillion). It might be something for fans to consider. Another plus would be them bringing over a cool opening artist with them, maybe someone from Ash's label or one of the other independent EMusicians. Waitaminit, why not have an established American EMusic artist open for them? They're not bound to contractual bullshit (yet), so they can choose their own warm-up act, or not have one at all... Feedback, anyone? E-Man Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8809 Re: TD Tour of N.A. Hermes Guzman Tue 11/18/1997 2 KB 8810 Re: TD Tour of N.A. Hermes Guzman Tue 11/18/1997 4 KB 8816 Re: TD Tour of N.A. matt knudson Tue 11/18/1997 3 KB 8826 Re: TD Tour of N.A. DJS Tue 11/18/1997 4 KB 8827 Re: TD Tour of N.A. DJS Tue 11/18/1997 3 KB 8850 TD Tour of N.A. Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 11/19/1997 3 KB 8863 Re: TD Tour of N.A. DJS Wed 11/19/1997 3 KB 8931 Re: TD Tour of N.A. AOutland@a... Fri 11/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: Re: TD Tour of N.A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! > >><- Will TD tour on North America soon? Both Edgar and Jerome shared with me after the show in London that they have tentative plans for a N.A. tour in '98. So of course I told them to add Dallas to their itenerary, to which they agreed...assuming that things work out for a tour, of course. goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 12:46 am Subject: RE: TD Tour of N.A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Hello all, on the subject of a NA tour, i think that to hope to expect the Froeses to submit to fan hopes would be a stretch indeed. Although nothing is impossible, I think the chance of a 'private' tour/one off gig is remote. I do belive that it could however be done on a smaller scale as many recent 'big'names tours have done, in more hall like settings. Here in Detroit, Prince, Duran Duran, Yanni, Tesh and many others play the FOX theater . It is a much more upscale setting with WWAAYYY better acoustic properties(and a few bars :) ). Anyway, I think the chances of TD playing here are better than JARRE or Schulze anyway. Snootchie Bootchie! Chris np THEY LIVE ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Monday, November 17, 1997 7:07 PM To: tadream@c... Subject: Re: TD Tour of N.A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! > >><- Will TD tour on North America soon? Both Edgar and Jerome shared with me after the show in London that they have tentative plans for a N.A. tour in '98. So of course I told them to add Dallas to their itenerary, to which they agreed...assuming that things work out for a tour, of course. goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 2:27 am Subject: Re: KEEP Cue ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve Quinney At 11:20 AM 11/17/97 , you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > >Paul Nagle said: > >>I loved the book. The film was OK. The Music Average. But the music >>and the film did not work together. It was very irritating to have >>apparently randomly-chosen sections of TD appearing totally out of >>context in what should have been an atmospheric soundtrack. > >I disagree. The segment from 'Logos' accompanying the German soldiers (the >slo-mo wide angle particularly) investigating the keep: I can't think of >another piece of music I'd want in its place. > > >E-Man Bang on ! That particular sequence used in the movie and on the Logos album is my absolute favorite TD piece, not the logos 88 version or even the live versions. I was hoping to have this on the new re-release of the Keep. I believe the version included in the movie is a little longer. I guess I'll have to make a good dub from my copy of the movie I have. Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 2:32 am Subject: Re: Guestbook Fake ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 97-11-17 03:11:16 EST, you write: << Anyone catch the 'fake' entry into the TD guestbook >> Yes, Greg, I saw it too and got really excited thinking, WOW, Mr Froese really does read this thing and interacts with his fans. What a downer to read the disclaimer. Then the anger that someone would presume to do such a thing. I sure hope that kind of idiocy doesn't continue. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 2:53 am Subject: Re: TD books ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 97-11-17 07:24:58 EST, you write: << ?????Where can you get these books from? Dennis >> Ditto the question. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 3:01 am Subject: Re: Which album have you listened to most in your life? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PhilPDX@a... I've been into emusic less time than rock, so most played would likely be: Tales of Mystery and Imagination - Alan Parsons Project Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd Most played TD is probably Tangram. Also, although it's hardly my favorite, I play Optical Race a lot, because my wife is partial to that one. Phil Derby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 3:13 am Subject: Re: Live In N.A.? Wishful Thinking... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 97-11-17 11:04:24 EST, you write: << why don't we collect money for a tour fund, >> This could work! First we'd need to find out how much the band charges for each concert. Then we'd need to figure out how many cities the money collected would cover. Then we'd need to pick out those cities with an eye to being centrally located to the most fans. How many fans do you reckon are in the US? If there are just 4,000 that would be a contribution of only $5.00 apiece, using your example of $20,000. Surely, there are more fans than that even. I'm getting really stoked here! Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 4:47 am Subject: Re: TD Tour of N.A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) On Mon, 17 Nov 97 18:07:14 -0600 (CST) tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) writes: >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >Greetings all! >><- Will TD tour on North America soon? >Both Edgar and Jerome shared with me after the show in London that >they have tentative plans for a N.A. tour in '98. So of course I told them >to add Dallas to their itenerary, to which they agreed...assuming that >things work out for a tour, of course. >goozer > Why you are at it making tour suggestions to the boys, tell then to throw a stop at SALT LAKE CITY into their agenda. They have never been here and I am sure they would enjoy it! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 6:32 am Subject: RE: D: Beyond The Storm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >Really-From: Dave Brewer >> Quoted From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) >> > >>Quoted From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > >> > >>Look, the consensus may be that BtS's version of 'Upland' stinks, but I > >>happen to like it a lot! It's updated, IMHO, with the snarling organ lead > >>and thumpthump drum programming. >> >>[...] >> To me, it seems like >> a cheap add-on to the original track. I find it rather lame. Glad someone >> likes it, though. :) >I agree, Erik. I always thought that Edgar turned Upland into a workout >song on BtS. (c'mon, kick those legs higher! let's see some sweat! :-) ) Heh heh, wrong track! You mean 'Moonlight on A Crawler Lane'! (what's with these corny titles Ed comes up with? 'Dome of Yellow Turtles'...'Bobcats In The Sun'... hahaha) That tune--like, totally, dude!--has that Jane Fonda drum programming down pat! 'Up, down! Do it again!!! Feel the burn!!!!' > >But the two all-time Edgar smoker's are 'Detroit Snackbar > >Dreamer' and 'Drunken Mozart In The Desert,' both of which--voila!!--are > >immediately accessible for listening on BtS. >Huhh?? DSD and DMitD are both immediately accessible for listening on >Stuntman also... (those two are my fave tracks on that album) >> >> They're good, but the track that does it for me is Magic Lantern. >> 'Hi, my name is Edgar and this is my guitar.' ;^) >That is a fine track indeed. I just wish he didn't use a 1-bar repeating >drum pattern and a fixed drum fill. (I could see him standing over the drum >machine with his finger hovering over the 'drum fill' button, waiting for >the right moments to punch it) Ah-ha!!!! THAT'S why you throw FORCE MAJUERE into the CD player instead, and punch track 2! Boom! 'Cloudburst Flight'!! You've got Klaus Kreiger's REAL drums and----next to 'M. Lantern' and the guitar-showcase on the Brussels 1980 audio (CD's coming REAL soon! heh heh)----one of Edgar's coolest hybrid Froese/Gilmour solos! Talk about 'Hi, my name ees Ed-gurr, und dis ees my gee-tar!' By the way, does anyone agree that, as far as 'Magic Lantern' goes,...the newly-constructed backing tracks (yes, Dave, including that repetitive drum-pattern) just don't fully 'mesh' (they sound like some TURN OF THE TIDES outtake that was never used) with that guitar track, which was obviously recorded, oh, I'd say, in the early-mid 80s and no later?!?!?! E-Man > > >Hasta lasagna, don't get any on ya!!! > > > >E-Man > > Pasta man~ana, > > Erik > Damn, I'm getting hungry! :-) Dave B. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8836 Re: D: Beyond The Storm Dave Brewer Wed 11/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 6:42 am Subject: Re: Tournado cd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-11-17 07:23:32 EST, ASH writes: << If the liner notes are to be believed, this was recorded in real time with no overdubs or editing, which makes it even more spectacular.:>> Ha! Ha! Ha!... Edgar and Jerome didn't play any live music either.........what's so spectacular about running stuff of a DAT or even sequencer?? Yes, the music is good......Tournado is my most played album currently.......and the show was good......but lets not have any pretensions about the live content of the synth parts!! Ash >> I guess I believe that there must be some humanity in the production, and I may indeed be wrong about that. Is it possible that TD could assemble the equipment on stage, hit the play button and go out for dinner and a few drinks, then come back two hours later and pack up? 'Now, here they are. Give them a warm hand on their opening. [ ;-) ] Tangerine Dream Unplugged.' <<<<<>>>>>> Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 7:00 am Subject: Re:(HUMOR) Perry Rhodan for trade ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Dano, If you can get me Tessa's or Amanda's panties you got yourself a deal. Robert >Really-From: DJS > > >Hey Rob ol buddy, how about I trade you an original sock that Adrian >Paul wore while he filmed his great battle scene with noneother than the >lead singer of the Fine Young Cannonballs! The sock is in excellent >condition and if you sniff hard enough you can still smell his feet. Heh >heh. > >Dano > >(PS, Conan tapes'll be sent out this week) > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 7:14 am Subject: Transformation of Mind ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Will the person who recently posted to the list about the Chris Franke 'Transformation of Mind' please tell us how he got it ir where he got it from? Thanks, Robert Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8830 Re: Transformation of Mind Michael A Jean Tue 11/18/1997 2 KB 8868 Re: Transformation of Mind TWeibre361@a... Thu 11/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 1:14 pm Subject: Re: TD books ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dn3 On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:34:27 -0600 tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > > At 12:14 PM 11/17/1997 +0000, Dennis wrote: > > >> > >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >> > o am one of the few here who can check for data on this > movie in all > >> > four TD books (THE DREAM LIVES ON!, VOICES IN THE DUNES, > MYSTERIOUS > >> > SEMBLANCE, and DIGITAL GOTHIC). > > > >?????Where can you get these books from? > > > >Dennis > > > > 'Mysterious Semblance' was written by Scott Plumer, who replied > asking for a T-shirt in trade. He is serious. > > Andrew Forgive me, Scott, but I didn't realise your book was called 'Mysterious Semblance'. As I said, you'll have your T-Shirt pretty soon...hope you are serious about the trade. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 1:34 pm Subject: Does the list have a name? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.' I've noted that our TD mailing list is called simply 'tadream'. I was wondering, should we give it a name? (in the same way the Rush list is called 'The National Midnight Star', the Genesis one is 'Paperlate', etcetera). I think it would be a good idea. (before you flame me: I've been subscribed only for six months, and I've never seen this discussed in this period - I don't know if this was discussed in the past) I'd like to make some suggestions: Electronic Meditation Birth of Liquid E-mail Big Sleep in Search of the Net Thru Metamorphic Packets Hyperborea Alchemy of the Net If this thread proves interesting, we might want to add suggestions to this list for, say, two weeks, and then vote on the most popular name. -- MIGUEL FARAH \ GCS/O d-(pu) s++:+>++: a26 C++ UL+>L++++ miguel@w... / P+ L>++ E--- W++ N+++ o+ K+++ w--(+) !O mfarah@p... \ M- V-- PS+(-) PE++ Y+ PGP-(+) t++@ 5++ http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel / X- R tv(+) b+ DI+ D++ G++++ e+(*) h!>++ #include \ r-- y? <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8823 Re: Does the list have a name? Jens Peschke Tue 11/18/1997 3 KB 8824 A thought Sean Montgomery Tue 11/18/1997 3 KB 8853 Re: Does the list have a name? dn3 Wed 11/19/1997 3 KB 8888 Re: Does the list have a name? AOutland@a... Thu 11/20/1997 2 KB 8897 Re: Does the list have a name? Plumer, Scott Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 1:35 pm Subject: Re: Does the list have a name? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jens Peschke tadream@c... wrote: > Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.' > > I'd like to make some suggestions: > > Electronic Meditation > Birth of Liquid E-mail > Big Sleep in Search of the Net > Thru Metamorphic Packets > Hyperborea > Alchemy of the Net > What´s about RubyCOM or RicoNET ? Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8824 A thought Sean Montgomery Tue 11/18/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 5:26 pm Subject: A thought ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery Here's a question for Edgar: He speaks frequently of the necessity of moving forward and not living in the past. Why then does Tangerine Dream continue to do cover versions of 60s songs like Purple Haze and Eleanor Rigby? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'A paranoiac is someone in possession of the facts' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 5:45 pm Subject: Map Reference ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:47:49 -0500, Craig wrote: >Well, everyone has flogged poor ol' RMI to death (I likes 'um!), so I'll try >and comment on another artist on your list. > >>Stephan Whitlan >> >>I have a couple of things by him; his solo release MAP REFERENCE and two >>tracks on compilation CD (SURREALITY and SEQUENCES 17). Think Vangelis >here, >>with SOIL FESTIVITIES as being a rough reference point. >Ok, that's all I needed to hear ... SF is one of my favorite CDs, so I >figure these are worth a shot. The question, of course, is WHERE can >the discs be purchased from? EUROCK (Archie Patterson) in Oregon stocks MAP REFERENCE> I'd give you the web address, but I don't have it handy. Do a search on 'Eurock Mail Order' or something,...actually, someone else here in GoldTri should have that info, or even Archie's phone number...Elana? E-Man >-Steve >sbm@p... >Sacramento, CA From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 7:30 pm Subject: Re: TD Tour of N.A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) > > On Mon, 17 Nov 97 18:07:14 -0600 (CST) tadream@c... (tadream > mailing list) writes: > >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >Greetings all! > >><- Will TD tour on North America soon? > >Both Edgar and Jerome shared with me after the show in London that > >they have tentative plans for a N.A. tour in '98. So of course I told > them > >to add Dallas to their itenerary, to which they agreed...assuming that > >things work out for a tour, of course. > >goozer > > > > Why you are at it making tour suggestions to the boys, tell then to throw > a stop at SALT LAKE CITY into their agenda. They have never been here > and I am sure they would enjoy it! Maybe they'll do a special 'Mormon' show at the Mormon tabernacle. Hey, they could do a special laser light show there like JMJ did in Houston. Eh, well, maybe not. ;-] Dan the placid pilgrim From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 7:25 pm Subject: Re: TD Tour of N.A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > > Greetings all! > > > >><- Will TD tour on North America soon? > > Both Edgar and Jerome shared with me after the show in London that they > have tentative plans for a N.A. tour in '98. So of course I told them to > add Dallas to their itenerary, to which they agreed...assuming that things > work out for a tour, of course. > > goozer Wow oozer...you must be real close with Edgar and Jerome for them to talk to you. (snicker snicker). Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 5:09 pm Subject: Famous last words ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) Hello everybody and goodbye ! Being a TD fanatic and actually enjoying the comments from _some_ of you made me swallow a lot of the $%# on this list. The fun started to deminish when general stupidity made this silly automatic header necessary. And we all remember the waves of blurb that came and went during the last year. None of this was enough to drive me off this list, but now it's happened. I read it in digest format through a BBS system. In the almost 7 years of my membership, only about 5 times a digest got rejected by this BBS' internet gateway for excessive length, and I got charged an extra fee. Now I get only about every third or fourth digest, and the bills keep flowing. I can't take it any longer. I will stay subscribed from my work account, but only for the purpose of archiving the digests, certainly not read them fully as I used to. So, if you want to get in touch with me, public postings on tadream will 99% go unnoticed. Before I go, three 'famous last words' 1) a good deal of questions concerning bootlegs can still be answered by having a look into my 'bootleggographies', still available from ftp://mirrors.aol.com/pub/music/ artists/t/tangerine.dream/mail-list/misc 2) quite a few of the rarities sought after can be obtained from my swap list. Excellent swap offers at the moment would be Cat Scan or Desert Train promo CDs, and all the stuff available during the recent UK tour 3) -klaus- # Klaus Beschorner phone : +49-7033-45142 fax : +49-7033-45631 # Drosselweg 6 klaus_beschorner@b... (mail limit 16 kBytes!) # D-71120 Grafenau klaus@i... # Germany Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8843 Re: Famous last words Hermes Guzman Wed 11/19/1997 2 KB 8844 Re: Famous last words Hermes Guzman Wed 11/19/1997 3 KB 8857 Re: Famous last words Hilmar Kraft Wed 11/19/1997 4 KB 8858 Re: Famous last words PNaunton@a... Wed 11/19/1997 3 KB 8869 Re: Famous last words TangerineC@a... Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 1:53 am Subject: Re: KEEP Cue ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:20:00 -0800, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >I disagree. The segment from 'Logos' accompanying the German soldiers (the >slo-mo wide angle particularly) investigating the keep: I can't think of >another piece of music I'd want in its place. That's cool. We all imagine things differently - that's the joy of perception (and on a slightly different parallel is a reason I rarely like vocals in a piece of music. OK, I didn't explain that well but.....). Just about anything from the non-sequenced sections of Rubycon would work well in this context for me and even this would probably be too instrusive. Personally, I doubt that Edgar saw the shot and composed this music especially for it.... I guess it's a philosophy thing about composing film music and what do I know about that? Bugger all is what..... 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 7:14 pm Subject: Re: Transformation of Mind ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean I picked it up at Crow's Nest in Chicago's Loop for 13.98. They also had a copy of KS/Namlook/Laswell 'DSOTM 5' LTD Edition for 17.98. Mike J. Where oh where has the TD website gone? Quote of the day: Keep Das Madchen in Timesquare with the Ambient Monkeys! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 8:35 pm Subject: Re: A thought ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim Moore' > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > He speaks frequently of the necessity of moving forward and not living in > the past. Why then does Tangerine Dream continue to do cover versions of > 60s songs like Purple Haze and Eleanor Rigby? Tangerine Dream's past, not the past in general... 'And always remember the last words of my grandfather, who said, 'A truck!' ' --Emo Phillips 'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Forwarded Bile re THE KEEP (TDI010 Version) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hey, It's nice to know that Scott Plumer and I am not the only list subscribers less than enthused about what snippets of THE KEEP Der Norseman has deigned to let us mere mortals have on TDI010. X-0 ;) I think the following forwarded message does a good job in saying a few choice things about Edgar's latest botch job that I haven't gotten around to saying myself: -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + From: 'Douglas S. Halfen (bs cmsc)' Message-Id: <199711170610.BAA17776@u...> Subject: Soundtracks & Holy Grails To: AR402004@B... Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:10:35 -0500 (EST) Steve, If you don't mind, I'd like to have a little gripe (read: _bitch_) session, and you at least would be a somewhat-amused party to this expelling of vile bile. Here I go! I am, to put the matter lightly, alarmed and horrified (read: sick-to-my- stomach and disgusted) upon reading your evaluation of the now-infamous 'Special Edition' _The Keep_ soundtrack. To put the matter in a brighter light, I am both intensely disappointed and struck so profoundly because what I have been looking forward to for such a long time is seeming to yet again dart away from me, back into the clouds that apparently sucked Molasar and Glaeken to their (film-script) fates. Now, I often ascribe to a message which Mr. Froese once paraphrased: if you do not seek paradise, you will find it. I usually let things pass naturally, with as little personal interference from myself as possible. I do not seek, and I often find. _However_, one of my particular exceptions to this philosophy is the music from _The Keep_. I was at a very impressionable age when I saw the film (aged nine years, to be exact - nothing else appealed to my mom and myself at the video store, the story thus begins...), and I was quite impressed with the music - bowled over, in fact, almost embarrassed due to its sheer power. I received an almost sinful level of pleasure as the German convoy wound its way through the cloud-shrouded mountains, as the convoy passed through the eerie, otherworldly village, as the priest knelt in his church and prayed, as the two soldiers tore at the block with the silver cross and awoke something awesome and terrible, as our hero passed through the Greek village and rode upon the boat, as the colossal figure of smoke carried Eva along stone hallways to the safety of her father's room, as Dr. Cuzar carried the 'talisman' through the cyclopean caverns to the courtyard, as the doctor confronted his 'savior,' and, finally, as the forces intrinsic to the story were destroyed in an overblown finale of overblown finales. Since then, I have sought (in vain) and awaited (apparently, presently, also in vain) a release of the film's music that presented such memorable music in all of the shining, pulsating glory with which it dominated its film. Thus, when I read the words 'official' and 'complete' in relation to a release of the sound- track, I sat here at this computer, opened a wide, satisfied grin, and said, 'YES!!!' Now, I have to choke on a distinct, 'NO,' from the folks who are supposed to be releasing an 'official' and 'complete' version of the film's soundtrack. If this 'Special Edition' is the same (and I see no reason why the non-special edition would be different - certainly, we are not instructed that such is the case) as the regular release, then I have no recourse - logical, ethical, rational, blah, blah, blahblah... - but to conclude that these folks are liars, deceivers who say one thing, mean another thing, and keep the public in the dark until it has shelled out a bunch of money for severely-mislabeled products. For instance, if you buy a cleaning solution that says it will re- move pen-ink stains, and then you wash something which is stained with pen ink in that solution and, afterward, the stains remain, I believe you would be mildly irked - peeved - even _pissed_ big-time! What has happened to you? The wool has been pulled over your eyes! Ah, that feels so cheap . . . Whether Mr. Froese feels one way or another regarding the soundtrack, I could not possibly care less about those feelings. What _I_ want is the music from _The Keep_, music which is both important to me as a source of inspiration and enjoyable to me as a source of rich, nutritious entertainment. When a person tells me that what I would be getting is, in fact, the music that I seek - after all, 'complete' and 'official' would normally, sensibly constitute that this _is_ the music which I seek - from the released soundtrack, and when I find out that I am being duped and am being given a few broken pieces of what I seek mixed in with assorted, wholly-unrelated stuff that I've never heard before, I can promise you that I will be _angry_. If the assorted, wholly-unrelated stuff were released on another disc, I would almost certainly buy the disc, because I'd be genuinely curious to hear the music on its own, in an honest, 'here-it-is' format. Am I making sense? YES! I've read that Edgar has said, 'If you don't like this stuff, then don't buy it . . . no one's forcing you to buy it,' or something that effect. Oh, I absolutely agree - I won't buy it. But when you tell us one thing, and what you give us is _substantially_ different, you are, as we say, 'in the wrong' - _CRIMINALLY_. This 'special edition' release is not what we have been told it would be, and it is not what we would expect it to be, and it is not, in any way, what we, the fans, deserve for having followed the band so loyally for so long. This 'special edition' - and, presumably, the regular 'official' soundtrack - is a sheep in wolf's clothing, passed on to unsuspecting consumers like pills mixed with cheese to certain dogs for which I care. However, as the pills are beneficial to the health and well-being of these dogs, I feel that my little deception's moral consequences are outweighed by the good outcome of the act. In the case of the soundtrack, the deception undermines Mr. Froese's credibility as both an artist and a businessman - well, as far as honesty and openness are concerned. I am very understanding - and _what_ I understand is that there is a product, released by one of my favorite artists, which makes a clear claim to be a product which it is _not_; instead, the product is something else, concocted for reasons that might be innocent but which, in execution, are absolutely deceitful, discrediting, and untrustworthy. I don't know why I can't listen to a mere 40-60 minutes' worth of music (that is very dear to me) in a form that is both of a higher-quality than the film provides and of a context removed from the film. What, might I ask, as a fan, is preventing me from enjoying such simple things? I'd just like an explana- tion - clear, simple, free of _bullshit_ and conjecture. Something like, 'Oh, I don't give a damn about you people and what you want, and I'll use and abuse you as long as you keep coming back to me.' Bad business practice, eh? Well, if this 'official' and 'complete' soundtrack to _The Keep_ is Mr. Froese's idea of business, then bad business is what he's all about, and I - as well as other fans - am a disappointed, betrayed fool. If his ancestor's ax is so important to him, he should place himself in my position and the music from _The Keep_ in that ax's position - maybe then he'll get a picture of how much this music means to me. I'm done now. ;-) - Doug Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8834 Re: Forwarded Bile re THE KEEP (TDI010 Version) Gabe Yedid Wed 11/19/1997 3 KB 8851 Re: Forwarded Bile re THE KEEP (TDI010 Version) dn3 Wed 11/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Eurock's Various Contact Points ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Map Reference >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:45:03 -0800 >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > >EUROCK (Archie Patterson) in Oregon stocks MAP REFERENCE. I'd give you> >the web address, but I don't have it handy. Do a search on 'Eurock Mail >Order' or something,...actually, someone else here in GoldTri should >have that info, or even Archie's phone number...Elana? The following is from my huge post re the Nightcrawlers: -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 20:30:45 EST From: Steven Feldman Subject: The Nightcrawlers: the Whole Story To: Golden Triangle mailing list , Tangerine Dream Digest , Archie Patterson, EUROCK , [. . .] TRAVELLING BACKWARDS (1997) 10, 2-CD Set Contains all 3 Nightcrawlers albums: The Nightcrawlers, Spacewalk, and Shadows of Light. Pressed by Manikin Records, Germany, and available from: Manikin Records, Postbox 450274, d-12172 Berlin Germany; http://www.manikin.de; manikinms@a...; tel/fax: +49 30 7121540; and from Archie Patterson at EUROCK, POB 13718, Portland, OR 97213; http://www.eurock.com; apatters@t...; tel/fax 503-2810247, as of 10/29/97. Pictures of this CD, along with full track listing can be found at the website. has seven 2-min sound samples. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 11:33 pm Subject: Re: Forwarded Bile re THE KEEP (TDI010 Version) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Steve, why don't you or Doug forward these comments to the band and even try to ask why what got issued as the 'official complete soundtrack' really isn't? However much we all might agree, it's not like we can try to set the record straight. Being a soundtrack insider, Dano's theory is the most plausible, but we'd all feel better hearing it from the horse's mouth, right? Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: No Alternate Endings Mentioned in THE KEEP FAQ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Yet Another Different Ending to THE KEEP >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 97 21:53:40 -0600 (CST) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >>Really-From: Steven Feldman >>>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >Do not assume that only _two_ of us on the list have seen the US >extended ending version! I personally know of a few more than that! Well, if any of these people have a recording of it other than an Nth-generation copy off *my* tape (which was bad to begin with), it would be much appreciated by everyone here if it was put on CD-R for wide dissemination. It is, after all, the most kick-ass music in the entire film, fer crissakes. Why hoard it like a hamster? Share the wealth! >Again, my goal was to make the FAQ useful to as broad a segment of this >list as possible _without_ delving into film version minutae. There was >a lot of other purely film-related tidbits I could've included, but >first and foremost people want to know about the _score_! [. . .] Well, without telling anyone the correspondence between scenes in the film and the various tracks on the bootlegs, the videotape, and the TDI releases, no one understands your comparisons, anyways. What in the heck are you talking about when you say 'cues'? Do you have a copy of the shooting script? And where did you get those names for the cues? Did you make them up? If so, thanks a real lot: that makes three sets titles made up by fans (the CD-R, the Blue Moon boot, and your list of 'cues'), fer crissakes! :( >[. . .] Look, _none_ of the different versions contain any _new_ cues; [. . .] 'Cues' again. What in the hell are you talking about? >[. . .] the extension of the end theme doesn't count as _new_, just >_different_! Editing down the existing full-length cue was most likely >done during post-production without the band's involvement. [. . .] What drugs are you on? Seven minutes of a ten-minute piece of music is missing--of which 4 1/2 minutes have no counterpart in the film, the CD-R boot, the Blue Moon boot, the TDI CD, LOGOS, and LOGOS TYPES--and you say its not 'new' but 'different'? By that reasoning, 'Silver Scale' would not be new, but merely different than 'Church Theme' (from the WAVELENGTH soundtack)! >[. . .] And, BTW, the US/NBC version Mr. Michaels describes is the only >other broadcast version, AFAIK! [. . .] Well, you're wrong. I taped it off channel 64 in Providence, RI-- which is a non-cable UHF channel. And who cares whether *you* knew about it or not? I'm not one of those people who has trouble figuring out that a tree indeed fell if and when told that a tree fell in the forest yet no one was there to hear it fall. >[. . .] When was the last time you _saw_ the version you remember? Four years ago. At the time, the only non-cable I watched was THE X-FILES, STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION, and STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE. In my neck of the woods, all three of these were only on UHF channels! >[. . .] I saw the NBC version just this past March on videotape. [...] And so . . . why didn't you include data from this version in your Exaustive, All-encompassing FAQ? And don't give me that lame excuse about it being 'a different instead of new cue' or somesuch. And thanks a heck of lot for not tellig anyone here on this list about your having seen a piece of footage from this film that the list subscribers at large have never heard about. (Hell, with secrets like that, I wouldn't be surprised if some of you secretive types actually *have* a copy of the 1984 release of the album but are gloating quietly, secure in your superiority and smugness that the rest of the world has to suffer just to make you feel good.) >[. . .] My guess is that you've seen the same version (not the same >physical tape, of course) [. . .] Well, Mr. KEEP FAQ, I've mentioned the scene I saw and gave the running times for each portion of the music *on this list* two or three times, so it's not like you haven't had the chance to compare the data, fer crissakes. In the version I saw, Glaeken zaps Molasar two more times and then carries his inert body down into the bowels of the keep, while the music goes bugnuts for about 3 minutes straight. >[. . .] especially since I watched this original copy tape at a certain >well-known collectors' house in Boston... Thanks ever-so-fucking-much for sharing! :( And who might this Boston collector be? I live in Brookline. Lars lives in Belmont. Paul Grygorcewicz lives in Chelsea. David Kuznick lives in Somerville (all are on the outskirts of Boston--with Brookline being adjacent). >Anything else I can clarify for anyone? [. . .] Yeah, how is that you hold out on us with crucial data on rare pieces of music from rare versions of the film, and then make lame excuses ('cues') for why such isn't mentioned in the 'Official KEEP FAQ'? Sounds like an Edgar manuever, to me--like the one he just made with the TDI010 CD (no smiley). Not even mentioning that there are alternate endings in the FAQ is a criminal omission, considering that the most intense music in the entire film occurs only in a usually-missing piece of footage! I saw STRATOSFEAR with a sticker-only title in 1978. I saw UFOS in new Mexico in 1978. I saw the THE KEEP album in 1984. I saw a UFO three months ago. I really don't care if you believe any of the above. It won't change the facts. I don't have to hear a tree fall to know it fell. Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: , and BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8842 Re: No Alternate Endings Mentioned in THE KEEP FA Hermes Guzman Wed 11/19/1997 14 KB 8865 Re: No Alternate Endings Mentioned in THE KEEP FA Michael Fox Wed 11/19/1997 2 KB 8846 Re: No Alternate Endings Mentioned in THE KEEP FA DJS Wed 11/19/1997 3 KB 8923 Re: No Alternate Endings Mentioned in THE KEEP FA Hermes Guzman Fri 11/21/1997 3 KB 9453 Re: No Alternate Endings Mentioned in THE KEEP FA feldon@p... Mon 12/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 1:03 am Subject: RE: D: Beyond The Storm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > >I agree, Erik. I always thought that Edgar turned Upland into a workout > >song on BtS. (c'mon, kick those legs higher! let's see some sweat! :-) ) > > Heh heh, wrong track! You mean 'Moonlight on A Crawler Lane'! (what's with > these corny titles Ed comes up with? 'Dome of Yellow Turtles'...'Bobcats In > The Sun'... > hahaha) That tune--like, totally, dude!--has that Jane Fonda drum > programming down pat! 'Up, down! Do it again!!! Feel the burn!!!!' Well... If MoaCL is the one I'm thinking of, that one reminds me more of Network 23 (I think just for the drum pattern; I think Network is much much better than MoaCL), and doesn't seem nearly as good for working out as Upland. But, to each their own. :-) In fact, I think the Upland remix is better for working out than 'All of a Dither' -- a track that was actually used for working out to! (in Miracle Mile) I think strange track titles are one of the best parts of TD's/Edgar's music. 'Penguin Reference' indeed! Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: THE KEEP: Alt. Endings & the 1984 LP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Yet Another Different Ending to THE KEEP >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:31:19 -0800 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Organization: Rakinik Intertype >Really-From: DJS > >> Really-From: Steven Feldman >> >> o am one of two here who has seen the syndicated-TV-only version of >> the end of the film >> o am one of three here (because of me) who has the syndicated-TV-only >> version of the end of film on audio tape > >Heh, that you know of, of course. I have a friend who is a Keep fanatic >who owns every Keep movie version, [. . .] :( Nice to see that Hermes wasn't/isn't the only one holding out on us here at the ol' tadream mailing list. So, Dano, feel like getting together with this friend of yours and re-writing the THE KEEP FAQ (no smiley; this is a serious question)? By 'every Keep movie version,' how many do you mean, exactly? The late Peter Grygorcewicz said that there were nine. Don't tell me that this friend of yours has that many! (Hell, with stuff like that, who needs the 1984 album?!?) >[. . .] every Keep OST (minus the new one as yet), [. . .] 'Every' being two, in this case (the Blue Moon boot and the CD-R), or do you mean the Fantasy Merchants thingee, too. ;) >[. . .] and every Keep book. [. . .] Now, *that's* interesting (to me, at least, since I read the first book but that's all, so far). >[. . .] He's a freak, such as yourself, [. . .] Yep, that's me: Dr. Anton Arcane (SWAMP THING in-joke). >[. . .] and thanks to me & a couple others he owns several items that >even you don't have, mr Keep. [. . .] Hey, it's not like I'm looking for presskits, stills, scripts, and suchlike. >[. . .] I'd mention them but in my business that could be bad business. Now *there's* an intriguing statement. Here's a 'suggestion'--take it or leave it: should any (or all) of these nine rare versions of the THE KEEP movie find themselves on a CD-R or a DVD sometime, there would be a lot of awfully appreciative people 'out there'--and I suspect that more than a few of these might be inclined to demonstrate their appre- ciation in concrete terms, if you get my drift. >I still have yet to see this 'fabled Keep LP'. Anyone who has a copy >could get some neat stuff from me if they can give me a glimpse. Well, when I get one, I'll see to it that it finds its way onto a CD-R with the 10-minute version of the ending. It won't come cheaply, however, since I'll probably pay towards $500 for the sucker and will be looking to recoup my losses--and my composure after having spent over 13 years telling people that this album is not a myth. But then, I'm fair: if I pay only $75 for it, the CD-R will cost no more than your run-of-the-mill CD boot. It all depends on what I end up paying for it. I could of course find someone with the album who wants more than I'm willing to pay, but after all the aggravation I've put up with, I really would like to be the person who ultimately *owns* the myth that everyone else will wind up only owning a copy of. (Don't worry: I'll post a GIF of my holding it on the web.) >Dano -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59 am Subject: TD tour fund ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' Scott plumer wrote: If Ed says no, why don't we collect money for a tour fund, like they did with Marillion? (If you're not familiar with this, a group of fans from the Marillion mailing list collected money from fans to bring them to the US. They collected over $20000. That's twenty-thousand. They were here in September.) Just a little more info here. The fund raised over $50,000 to bring the band here. Contributions came in from all over the world. Also, anybody who contributed more than $30.00 will receive a collectors item 2 disc set of the Rochester show from start to finish that was performed on 8/31/97. So, raising money for such a feat can be done. Frank Stephen Now playing:TD-Tournado Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8867 Re: TD tour fund PENFOLD Wed 11/19/1997 4 KB 8972 Re: TD tour fund AOutland@a... Sat 11/22/1997 3 KB 9038 Re: TD tour fund Michael Fox Mon 11/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Does this list have a name? Keep dreaming! :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Does the list have a name? >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:34:52 -0300 (CDT) >Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.' > >I've noted that our TD mailing list is called simply 'tadream'. I was >wondering, should we give it a name? (in the same way the Rush list is >called 'The National Midnight Star', the Genesis one is 'Paperlate', >etcetera). I think it would be a good idea. Talking to Lars the other day, he convinced me that the perfect name of a compilation bootleg (now, *there's* an idea: a bootleg that is a compilation of *other* bootleg sources) that really *does* have music *only* in the THE KEEP *film* that is not on RUBYCON or LOGOS (e.g. from the videotape, TV broadcasts, the Blue Moon boot, the CD-R boot, and the the three tracks on the TDI CD, maybe) would be . . . 'KEEP DREAMING'! You gotta admit. That's pretty funny . . . and accurate. :) -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the Air Force has silenced it personnel.' --Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, the 1st director of the CIA, quoted in THE NEW YORK TIMES, February 28, 1960. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Marillion Fund; KEEP Fund 6 Years Ago ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >TD tour fund >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 20:26:00 PST >Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' > >Just a little more info here. The fund raised over $50,000 to bring the >band here. Contributions came in from all over the world. Also, anybody >who contributed more than $30.00 will receive a collectors item 2 disc set >of the Rochester show from start to finish that was performed on 8/31/97. > So, raising money for such a feat can be done. Nice to know that Marillion fans have their act together more than TD fans do: one of the first things I did when I subscribed to tadream (almost 7 years ago) was suggest setting up a pool so I could get enough money ($70) to place a large display ad for THE KEEP in GOLDMINE RECORD COLLECTORS magazine. Only *one* list subscriber e-mailed to say that he'd donate the dollar I requested. Pretty pathetic, eh? (I've placed two ads in GOLDMINE for THE KEEP. As a result of the first, I received mail from Kipp Kilpatrick of the IEMA. [International Electronic Music Association] (and later, of Miramar fame) and a certain Peter Grygorcewicz. The second ad offered my copy of David Bowie's THE MAN WHO SOLD THE WORLD drag cover record (then worth about $400!). Then I placed an ad in FANGORIA, and a guy said he had a sealed copy of THE KEEP. I sent him the $30 he wanted for it, only to find out he had no such thing: he had committed mail fraud and I sicced the postal service on him . . . and wound up only getting $20 of the $30 back. I've placed three ads for something that supposedly doesn't exist. Ha ha. I'm not not laughing: that's crying in disguise.) Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: , and BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Trying To Reach You !! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: sillyputty1@y... UNSECURED CREDIT CARD AT YOUR DOOR BEFORE CHRISTMAS!!!! Selective Marketing has joined hands with one of the Nations Largest Credit Institutions in an effort to issue 20 Million Unsecured Major Credit Cards. We have tried to make the process of getting your unsecured credit card very simple and painless. You will not be asked to sign up with some network nor will you be asked to pay a monthly fee for the credit card. 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If mailing your processing form and processing fee, mail to following address: Selective Marketing 1291 A South Powerline Rd Suite #101 Pompano Beach, FL 33069 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8845 Re: Trying To Reach You !! matt knudson Wed 11/19/1997 2 KB 8852 Re: Trying To Reach You !! Michael Richard Wed 11/19/1997 3 KB 8855 Re: Trying To Reach You !! Vincent Goudreault Wed 11/19/1997 4 KB 8930 Re: Trying To Reach You !! AOutland@a... Fri 11/21/1997 2 KB 8940 Re: Trying To Reach You !! Vincent Goudreault Fri 11/21/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: Re: No Alternate Endings Mentioned in THE KEEP FAQ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! It's obvious now that Steve 'Don Quixote' Feldman simply will not let it go. I mean, I'm as rabid a fan as you'll find (4 of the 5 concerts I've seen involved major travel/expense, not to mention my collection), but I mean, come on! Am I missing something here, or is this too obvious: IT'S JUST ONE SCORE!! Great as it is, it's not even integral to the band's oevure! Sorry to have to do this, but... >Really-From: Steven Feldman >>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >>>Really-From: Steven Feldman >>>>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >> >>Do not assume that only _two_ of us on the list have seen the US >>extended ending version! I personally know of a few more than that! > > Well, if any of these people have a recording of it other than an >Nth-generation copy off *my* tape (which was bad to begin with), it would >be much appreciated by everyone here if it was put on CD-R for wide >dissemination. It is, after all, the most kick-ass music in the entire >film, fer crissakes. Why hoard it like a hamster? Share the wealth! Steve, I 'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but the TD universe does _NOT_ revolve around you! Or anyone on this list for that matter! What an absolutely arrogant and stupid thing to write; 'Well, if any of these people have a recording of it other than an Nth-generation copy off *my* tape...'! Are you _really_ that full of yourself, or are you just...well..._ignorant_! As to why _I_ personally haven't put the 'cue' on CD-R for 'wider dissemination' (since I can only speak for myself): one, I'm not thrilled with the quality; and two, _IT'S NOT AN ORIGINAL COMPOSITION BY THE BAND_!! I guess you missed that part of the FAQ behind the windmill there, huh?. Why havent _you_ done it, if you're so keen on this 'cue'? Or even better, let's put it on a CD-R with 'Confrontation', the 'Footloose' cover they did in _Streethawk_ and 'A Time For Heroes'! (yes, I know 'C' isn't performed by them, but a lot of people I know wanted it on the official CD release...) >>Again, my goal was to make the FAQ useful to as broad a segment of this >>list as possible _without_ delving into film version minutae. There was >>a lot of other purely film-related tidbits I could've included, but >>first and foremost people want to know about the _score_! [. . .] > > Well, without telling anyone the correspondence between scenes in >the film and the various tracks on the bootlegs, the videotape, and the >TDI releases, no one understands your comparisons, anyways. What in the >heck are you talking about when you say 'cues'? Do you have a copy of >the shooting script? And where did you get those names for the cues? >Did you make them up? If so, thanks a real lot: that makes three sets >titles made up by fans (the CD-R, the Blue Moon boot, and your list of >'cues'), fer crissakes! :( From the FAQ (with emphasis added **): 'Now for a few comments about the score as used in the film. There is a grand total of 67:26 of music in the film. This can be broken down into 12 separate themes (plus one short 'sting'.) Four of the themes are used multiple times, forming 'suites', as it were. **I've titled them so as to help everyone place them in the film (at least those who have seen it.) They are as follows, beginning with the 'suites'**:' and.. '**I'll now provide a chart which lists the film cues in order of appearance and the corresponding tracks from the two Keep CD's:**' I guess some of us need a little more help in understanding the descriptions. Knowing that this would be a large post, and since I didn't want to send a 47k file to the list, I decided to be as brief as possible in the titling the 'cues', while still indicating the emphasis of the scenes in which they are used. Yes, those who haven't seen the film are out of luck, _but_, those of us who _have_ should have _no_ difficulty whatsoever in placing them, as this is not a very complex movie to begin with! Only one example: can anyone here tell me what was 'Released' in the film? And during that scene, what 'cue' was playing? >>[. . .] Look, _none_ of the different versions contain any _new_ cues; >[. . .] > 'Cues' again. What in the hell are you talking about? I'm not even gonna bother with this one...look it up. >>[. . .] the extension of the end theme doesn't count as _new_, just >>_different_! Editing down the existing full-length cue was most likely >>done during post-production without the band's involvement. [. . .] > > What drugs are you on? Seven minutes of a ten-minute piece of music >is missing--of which 4 1/2 minutes have no counterpart in the film, the >CD-R boot, the Blue Moon boot, the TDI CD, LOGOS, and LOGOS TYPES--and >you say its not 'new' but 'different'? By that reasoning, 'Silver Scale' >would not be new, but merely different than 'Church Theme' (from the >WAVELENGTH soundtack)! Actually, since 'Church Theme', 'Silver Scale' and 'Horns of Doom' all come from the same source, your point is...what, exactly? They are _all_ edits taken from this one piece. Or do you not have any winter '80-'81 fantapes? So, which of the three would you consider _new_? And furthermore on this point, 17 _HOURS_ of _Rubycon_ is missing; does that have any relevance to what is on the album? Or the missing 45 mins. of the _Sorcerer_ 'cues'? Again, _most_ people in this solar system _haven't_ seen the extended version(s), so I felt it unnecessary to go into any great detail about it. I apologize to anyone out there who felt shortchanged in any way for not being able to read about an additional 7+ minutes to 'The Price' 'cue'. I'll consider adding it to any future revision of the FAQ. >>[. . .] And, BTW, the US/NBC version Mr. Michaels describes is the only >>other broadcast version, AFAIK! [. . .] > > Well, you're wrong. I taped it off channel 64 in Providence, RI-- >which is a non-cable UHF channel. And who cares whether *you* knew about >it or not? I'm not one of those people who has trouble figuring out that >a tree indeed fell if and when told that a tree fell in the forest yet no >one was there to hear it fall. Do you know what 'AFAIK' stands for? If you taped it from UHF, great. Did anyone else out there see it UHF? That's great, too. I'll wager that most of those who saw the extended version saw it on NBC. Which is actually neither here nor there. >>[. . .] When was the last time you _saw_ the version you remember? > Four years ago. >>[. . .] I saw the NBC version just this past March on videotape. [...] > And so . . . why didn't you include data from this version in your >Exaustive, All-encompassing FAQ? And don't give me that lame excuse >about it being 'a different instead of new cue' or somesuch. See above. > And thanks a heck of lot for not tellig anyone here on this list >about your having seen a piece of footage from this film that the list >subscribers at large have never heard about. (Hell, with secrets like >that, I wouldn't be surprised if some of you secretive types actually >*have* a copy of the 1984 release of the album but are gloating quietly, >secure in your superiority and smugness that the rest of the world has >to suffer just to make you feel good.) You _really_ have a persecution complex, don't you? If I _were_ 'superior and smug', as you say, then I _would_ have mentioned those very facts to rub it in, wouldn't I? >>[. . .] My guess is that you've seen the same version (not the same >>physical tape, of course) [. . .] > > Well, Mr. KEEP FAQ, I've mentioned the scene I saw and gave the >running times for each portion of the music *on this list* two or three >times, so it's not like you haven't had the chance to compare the data, >fer crissakes. In the version I saw, Glaeken zaps Molasar two more times >and then carries his inert body down into the bowels of the keep, while >the music goes bugnuts for about 3 minutes straight. Anyone else seen this version as described? The version I (and everyone else I've discussed this with, who number in double-digits) saw was pretty much as described in A.V. Michael's book (not to mention the actual book 'The Keep'). Instead of freeze framing on Eva at the end, it shows her running back into the Keep, during which shots of Glaeken floating down through a mist are depicted. She eventually makes her way down to the 'pit' where Molasar was held and finds Glaeken, seemingly dead. He eventually stirs, and we 'discover' that he has become mortal. The end. Yes, the music is extended, with little bits of 'cues' from other parts of the film, and it's all very cool. But it's ultimately not worth the grief you're putting yourself through (now, one more time, class: can you say 'A Time For Heroes'? Good!) >>[. . .] especially since I watched this original copy tape at a certain >>well-known collectors' house in Boston... > > Thanks ever-so-fucking-much for sharing! :( And who might this >Boston collector be? I live in Brookline. Lars lives in Belmont. Paul >Grygorcewicz lives in Chelsea. David Kuznick lives in Somerville (all >are on the outskirts of Boston--with Brookline being adjacent). The point of my statement was that you probably _both_ have the same version on tape, since you live in the same area! >>Anything else I can clarify for anyone? [. . .] > > Yeah, how is that you hold out on us with crucial data on rare >pieces of music from rare versions of the film, and then make lame >excuses ('cues') for why such isn't mentioned in the 'Official KEEP FAQ'? >Sounds like an Edgar manuever, to me--like the one he just made with the >TDI010 CD (no smiley). Not even mentioning that there are alternate >endings in the FAQ is a criminal omission, considering that the most >intense music in the entire film occurs only in a usually-missing piece >of footage! I'll say this just once more: I was only concerned with the _score_ and _NOT_ how many different film versions there were, nor the extended end theme that most haven't heard. To which I freely admit may have been a mistake (as far as the 'cue' is concerned.) Now, had the 'cue' been in fact _totally_ new, and not merely extended, I of course would have commented on it. So, again, sorry for not discussing a really cool extended version of a TD cover tune! As for the claim on the CD, have you ever stopped to consider that it may reflect most of what the band _originally_ delivered to Mr. Mann? Admittedly, it's a stretch, but you should know from your vast store of information that it wouldn't be the only time that they had to replace large chunks of a filmscore after the first delivery! Need I mention 'Risky Business' or 'Canyon Dreams'? In any case, I'm not an apologist for Edgar, or the band. I simply feel that it's generally wrong to jump to conclusions, or to assume the worst about anything _without_ direct knowledge of all the relevant facts. I cannot, and will not, speak to anything I don't know about, nor will I assume the negative about this. Feel free to do otherwise. > I saw STRATOSFEAR with a sticker-only title in 1978. > I saw UFOS in new Mexico in 1978. > I saw the THE KEEP album in 1984. > I saw a UFO three months ago. > I really don't care if you believe any of the above. It won't >change the facts. I don't have to hear a tree fall to know it fell. However, obsessing over said 'tree', instead of moving on to view the rest of the forest that still stands, is very sad indeed. If you wish to continue your myopic ranting over a mere score, please, go right ahead. But would you look up for a moment and see that some of us may be tiring of this tirade of yours, and wish that you would just move on. I know that I am. goozer (who is now more than ever 'Keeped' out!) 8P Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8865 Re: No Alternate Endings Mentioned in THE KEEP FA Michael Fox Wed 11/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: Re: Famous last words ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Sorry, everyone. That shouldn't have gone to the list! goozer (who _thought_ he changed the addy!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: Re: Famous last words ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Hey Klaus-- >Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) > > >Hello everybody and goodbye ! What a pity, as your 'departure' diminishes this list greatly! :( >Before I go, three 'famous last words' >3) deleted, as it's no longer my business> Well, some can't see beyond their egos to read anyway! I'm sorry you weren't in London! It was really great! Especially the warm greeting and hospitality of the band! Being invited in to see the soundcheck was a real surprise and treat for me! BTW, do you think you could make me a CD-R copy of the 'Complete Works of The Keep' CD-R? I can't find my tape, and I guess it's about time for me to get a good copy! You have the latest TDF list, but if you want to wait for something new, I'll of course send it to you as soon as it's available. Let me know... Cheers! goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 5:50 am Subject: Re: Trying To Reach You !! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) What kind of a scam is this now! Keep this crap off the mail list! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 9:37 am Subject: Re: No Alternate Endings Mentioned in THE KEEP FAQ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS TONS OF GARBAGE AND BOOKLOADS OF RUBBISH CUT... > would you look up for a moment and see that some of us may be tiring of > this tirade of yours, and wish that you would just move on. I know that I > am. > > goozer (who is now more than ever 'Keeped' out!) 8P ooze, Where did you come from, why are you here and how much do I have to pay you to leave and never come back? If S-dude likes the Keep...just accept it. I'm amazed by how much you are being affected by this soundtrack. Remember the end of Ferris Bueller? 'It's over...go home!' Dan the dude From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 8:44 am Subject: Suffer The Fanboys... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' STEVEN FELDMAN SAID (IN RESPONSE TO 'EL GOOZO'): < And thanks a heck of lot for not tellig anyone here on this list From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 9:01 am Subject: Ego-Trippin' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >>3) > deleted, as it's no longer my business> >Well, some can't see beyond their egos to read anyway! Yeah, no kidding, Gooz! (heh heh *snicker*) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 9:44 am Subject: $$ For Transients Or TD? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >Really-From: Steven Feldman >>TD tour fund >>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >>Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 20:26:00 PST >>Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' >> >>Just a little more info here. The fund raised over $50,000 to bring the >>band here. Contributions came in from all over the world. I don't know what flames I'm about to conjure, but if I were content to contribute $30 or more to a bring-TD-to-this-side-of-the-pond pool, I'd sooner stop myself and buy several homeless people lunch. Seeing Tangerine Dream perform in the States again would be fine and dandy, but if they don't, then they don't. >>Also, anybody who contributed more than $30.00 will receive a collectors item 2 >>disc set of the Rochester show from start to finish that was performed on 8/31/97. >>So, raising money for such a feat can be done. > Nice to know that Marillion fans have their act together more than >TD fans do: No, Steve, they're wierdos. A little off-from-the-center. I'm not kidding. (ha ha) > one of the first things I did when I subscribed to tadream >(almost 7 years ago) was suggest setting up a pool so I could get enough >money ($70) to place a large display ad for THE KEEP in GOLDMINE RECORD >COLLECTORS magazine. Only *one* list subscriber e-mailed to say that >he'd donate the dollar I requested. Pretty pathetic, eh? A dollar for what? To post an ad so you could reel in a copy of THE KEEP? They more than likely didn't cuz they wanted THE KEEP for their own prized possession (vinyl taxidermists, hahaha) and they knew you weren't going to buy it and cut it up into seventy pieces and divvy them out, haha! Just kidding, Steve, I'm sure you intended to dub everyone a copy... E-Man np Cast: *Angels and Demons* Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8878 Re: $$ For Transients Or TD? Steven Feldman Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB 8898 Re: $$ For Transients Or TD? Plumer, Scott Thu 11/20/1997 2 KB 8903 Re: $$ For Transients Or TD? CMOSLover Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB 8904 Re: $$ For Transients Or TD? Plumer, Scott Thu 11/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 9:52 am Subject: TD Tour of N.A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >> >> Why you are at it making tour suggestions to the boys, tell then to throw >> a stop at SALT LAKE CITY into their agenda. They have never been here >> and I am sure they would enjoy it! >Maybe they'll do a special 'Mormon' show at the Mormon tabernacle. Hey, >they could do a special laser light show there like JMJ did in Houston. >Eh, well, maybe not. ;-] >Dan the placid pilgrim Hey, dude, at least you know they'll make a stop just for us at the Wiltern Theater in Los Angeles! They can dedicate the show to L. Ron Hubbard and the Church of Science Fiction, er, Scientology. Maybe Chick Corea can be the warm-up act! HA HA HA HA Or better yet, Edgar will let John Travolta and Kirstie Alley em-cee the concert! HAHA John Travolta: 'Okay, let's bow our heads for a moment and feel L. Ron's astral presence reaching into our minds from the nether void...' (TD start playing an abridged version of 'Astral Voyager'...) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 12:23 pm Subject: Re: Forwarded Bile re THE KEEP (TDI010 Version) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dn3 Hello all, there seems to be a wagonload of disappointment around regarding the music contained on the 'official' release of the Keep soundtrack. I must admit that I've never seen the film and that I've never heard any of the music TD composed for it - accordingly, I can understand your emotional arousal and sympathise with it - but I can't feel quite the same way about it as you do. From an outsider's point of view, I think the CD is actually really good and, on musical grounds, does not deserve the rage waging against it on this list at the moment. I bought The Keep, Time Square and Ambient Monkeys at the concert, and The Keep is definitely the one I'm most fond of. I can understand that some of you feel deceived by being confronted with a soundtrack that isn't, but once all this wears off a bit, I suggest we start talking about the album on musical terms - which, after all, is what we usually do. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 11:27 am Subject: RE: Trying To Reach You !! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Richard Hi! > What kind of a scam is this now! Keep this crap off the mail list! And you know what? Look at this answer I received when I sent'em a message to never post here again: > : > User is over the quota. You can try again later. Fucking ads! See ya! :) Michael (: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 12:33 pm Subject: Re: Does the list have a name? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dn3 On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:34:52 -0300 (CDT) tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.' > > > > I've noted that our TD mailing list is called simply 'tadream'. I was > wondering, should we give it a name? (in the same way the Rush list is > called 'The National Midnight Star', the Genesis one is 'Paperlate', > etcetera). I think it would be a good idea. How about the 'Goblins' Club' or a 'Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares'? Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 12:37 pm Subject: Re: Associations Between TIMESQUARE Tracks & Other TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dn3 On Sun, 16 Nov 97 20:36:20 EST tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > I've only played TIMESQUARE twice, now, but some sounds and tunes > appeared to be familiar: > > 1.) MOBOCASTER > Twilight Brigade (TURN OF THE TIDES) > Dreamtime (220 VOLT LIVE) > 2.) JUNGLE JACULA > Roaring of the Bliss (THE PRIVATE MUSIC OF TANGERINE DREAM) > 3.) TOWARDS THE EVENING STAR > Towards the Evening Star (that was too easy, hee hee) > 4.) DIGITAL SISTER > (nothing yet) > 5.) PIXEL PIRATES > Dreamtime and Towards the Evening Star > 6.) CULPA LEVIS > Iowa (THE CLUB DREAM MIXES) > 7.) TIMESQUARE > Loved by the Sun (LEGEND) > Change of the Gods (THE DREAM MIXES) The only addition I have to that (for the time being, anyway) is that Digital Sister or Pixel Pirates (I don't remember which one) is quite reminiscent of 'Lamb with Radar Eyes'. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8860 Re: Associations Between TIMESQUARE Tracks & Othe Gabe Yedid Wed 11/19/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 1:37 pm Subject: Re: Trying To Reach You !! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Nov 19, 7:27am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: RE: Trying To Reach You !! > Really-From: Michael Richard > > > Hi! > > > What kind of a scam is this now! Keep this crap off the mail list! > > And you know what? Look at this answer I received when I sent'em a > message to never post here again: > > > : > > User is over the quota. You can try again later. > > Fucking ads! > > See ya! > > :) Michael (: It may get more complicated than that: what if this address belongs to someone who had NOTHING to do with this ad, and whose name was used by somebody so that he would get victimized... If indeed this user is over his quota, that means he already got spammed back up to his ears, but perhaps he is not guilty of anything (except maybe getting in the bad side of some clever prankster.) If someone in Florida could check out this 'Selective Marketing' and see if it exists, and if they are at the source of this $%@# ad, then let's hit them. But if not, lets keep our weapons safely aimed away from potential innocent victims... C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 1:18 pm Subject: looking for the HK guy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Miguel Angel Esteban Hi all and sorry fo this offtopic. Recently a was forced to format my Harddisc so I lost all the data on it ;((((( a guy from Hong Kong sent me a mail some days before but I can't answer him since I've lost his lettter. Since he's in this list. Could he resend me the mail? thanks. Thanks and sorry again for this off topic. Miguel. Maec@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 9:18 pm Subject: Re: Famous last words ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) >None of this was enough to drive me off this list, but now it's >happened. I read it in digest format through a BBS system. >In the almost 7 years of my membership, only about 5 times >a digest got rejected by this BBS' internet gateway for >excessive length, and I got charged an extra fee. Now I get only >about every third or fourth digest, and the bills keep >flowing. I can't take it any longer. Oh Klaus, what the hell are you doing on such a crappy BBS system anyway? It's the nineties, and if your system can't handle a 110KB text file, don't you think it's time to change to nineties technology such as an internet POP (e.g. germany.net: free of charge!). Besides, what nonesense: first they reject your mail and then they make you pay an extra fee for the non-delivered mail? I could understand that you pay extra for getting large mails, but paying extra for NOT getting them? This technical point aside, I can perfectly understand your view that you don't want to deal with the enormous amount of non-information that is being posted here. HOWEVER: you should think about this also: The Internet is growing every day, millions and millions of 'newbies' are discovering it daily. It is only natural, that there are more and more people who also read this list and start posting on it. Traffic on the tadream list *will grow*, no matter what! Yes, we have to deal with the things you mentioned (silly headers, dumb jokes etc.). But the *contents* is still in tadream, only covered by lots of dirt and noise. Why give up this part of your hobby when it is so easy to deal with this noise? All it takes is a good email program and email service provider and you can filter and sort the list and read the whole list very quickly without having to deal with much crap. I am very sad to see you go, Klaus, but I really think by leaving tadream you are depriving yourself of a very nice side to your hobby called TD, and only because you insist on driving your old bicycle on a 4 lane highway and then get mad at all these cars there... Hilmar (posted and emailed) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 3:57 pm Subject: Re: Famous last words ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-11-19 09:23:50 EST, you write: << I am very sad to see you go, Klaus, but I really think by leaving tadream you are depriving yourself of a very nice side to your hobby called TD, and only because you insist on driving your old bicycle on a 4 lane highway and then get mad at all these cars there... Hilmar (posted and emailed) >> What's a clear headed person like this doing on the TaDream list? Seems out of place somehow. ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 3:57 pm Subject: Peter Baumann - where are you? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Does anybody know what Peter Baumann is doing these days and how to get in touch with him? Does he have an e-mail address or a website? Just curious :-) Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8861 Re: Peter Baumann - where are you? Dave Brewer Wed 11/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 3:54 pm Subject: Re: Associations Between TIMESQUARE Tracks & Other TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > > > > I've only played TIMESQUARE twice, now, but some sounds and tunes > > appeared to be familiar: > > > > 1.) MOBOCASTER > > Twilight Brigade (TURN OF THE TIDES) > > Dreamtime (220 VOLT LIVE) > > 2.) JUNGLE JACULA > > Roaring of the Bliss (THE PRIVATE MUSIC OF TANGERINE DREAM) So this makes, what, 3 mixes of this cut? There isn't any of 'Jungle Journey' in this one, is there? (But God, what a title...has Jerome been getting into William Burroughs of late?) > > 3.) TOWARDS THE EVENING STAR > > Towards the Evening Star (that was too easy, hee hee) n-duh ;) > > 4.) DIGITAL SISTER > > (nothing yet) > > 5.) PIXEL PIRATES > > Dreamtime and Towards the Evening Star > > 6.) CULPA LEVIS > > Iowa (THE CLUB DREAM MIXES) Uh, is it more developed than 'Iowa' was? > > 7.) TIMESQUARE > > Loved by the Sun (LEGEND) > > Change of the Gods (THE DREAM MIXES) > The only addition I have to that (for the time being, > anyway) is that Digital Sister or Pixel Pirates (I don't > remember which one) is quite reminiscent of 'Lamb with > Radar Eyes'. > > Dennis So it seems like Dream Mixes II *is* really Dream Mixes II, not an album of all new tunes, unrelated to previous ones, being marketed under an 'eye-catching' name. But...why the new titles...? Unlike the previous DM, these seem to be 'medley mixes' rather than re/de-constructions of single pieces...(except 'TtES' of course) Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 5:51 pm Subject: Re: Peter Baumann - where are you? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: Vic Rek > > Does anybody know what Peter Baumann is doing these days and how to get in > touch with him? Does he have an e-mail address or a website? Just curious > :-) The last thing I heard was he bowed out of the music business completely, and is probably living a nice quiet private (no pun intended!) life somewhere. I wonder if he still has any mellotrons, ARPs or whatever in his basement (or wherever). If he does, I wonder if he still likes to jam on them occasionally, or do they just collect dust? Dave B. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 7:02 pm Subject: Re: (HUMOR) Perry Rhodan for trade ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Robert Grabowsky > > Dano, > If you can get me Tessa's or Amanda's panties you > got yourself a deal. > Robert > > >Really-From: DJS > > > > > >Hey Rob ol buddy, how about I trade you an original sock that Adrian > >Paul wore while he filmed his great battle scene with noneother than the > >lead singer of the Fine Young Cannonballs! The sock is in excellent > >condition and if you sniff hard enough you can still smell his feet. Heh > >heh. > > > >Dano > > > >(PS, Conan tapes'll be sent out this week) > > Sorry dude, those are already in the possession of Mr Elias himself. He sleeps with them over his face at night...crotch side upon his nose of course (I apologize to anyone who was disgusted by that last comment). BTW, Chris Franke needs to smile more (just so we're still on topic). Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 7:05 pm Subject: Re: TD Tour of N.A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS t at least you know they'll make a stop just for us at the Wiltern > Theater in Los Angeles! They can dedicate the show to L. Ron Hubbard and > the Church of Science Fiction, er, Scientology. Maybe Chick Corea can be > the warm-up act! > HA HA HA HA > Or better yet, Edgar will let John Travolta and Kirstie Alley em-cee the > concert! HAHA > John Travolta: 'Okay, let's bow our heads for a moment and feel L. Ron's > astral presence reaching into our minds from the nether void...' (TD start > playing an abridged version of 'Astral Voyager'...) > > E-Man Serously, who really WANTS to see TD anymore. I'd rather go buy the dircector's cut to The Exterminator and watch it at home. At least I'd get to see something new. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 7:09 pm Subject: Re: Tournado cd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS t > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-11-17 07:23:32 EST, ASH writes: > > << If the liner notes are to be believed, this was recorded in real time with > no overdubs or editing, which makes it even more spectacular.:>> > > Ha! Ha! Ha!... Edgar and Jerome didn't play any live music > either.........what's so spectacular about running stuff of a DAT or even > sequencer?? > > Yes, the music is good......Tournado is my most played album > currently.......and the show was good......but lets not have any > pretensions about the live content of the synth parts!! > Ash >> > > I guess I believe that there must be some humanity in the > production, and I may indeed be wrong about that. Is it possible that TD > could assemble the equipment on stage, hit the play button and go out for > dinner and a few drinks, then come back two hours later and pack up? > > 'Now, here they are. Give them a warm hand on their opening. [ ;-) HAHA! Eli have for years made jokes about how Steve Roach or Klaus would put on a sequence and leave for a few hours, have some coffee & donuts and come back to say 'oh good, my new album is finished'. This is why I have slid into the prog rock zone (Mark Shreeve included). I want human elements in my music. I want to hear humanity in the tunes. I can't actually believe I'm saying this but I'm looking more forward to the re-release of Buckner & Garcia's Pac Man Fever than I did to Tournado. How sad is that?? Dan the dude From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 1:26 pm Subject: Re: No Alternate Endings Mentioned in THE KEEP FAQ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 09:43 PM 11/18/97 -0600, goozer wrote: But >would you look up for a moment and see that some of us may be tiring of >this tirade of yours, and wish that you would just move on. I know that I >am. AMEN!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 6:51 pm Subject: RE: Tournado cd/ no TD content ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Pac man remixes 2??? say it's so , my vinyl's soooooo worn out. Chris ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 2:09 PM To: tadream@c... Subject: Re: Tournado cd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS t > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-11-17 07:23:32 EST, ASH writes: > > << If the liner notes are to be believed, this was recorded in real time with > no overdubs or editing, which makes it even more spectacular.:>> > > Ha! Ha! Ha!... Edgar and Jerome didn't play any live music > either.........what's so spectacular about running stuff of a DAT or even > sequencer?? > > Yes, the music is good......Tournado is my most played album > currently.......and the show was good......but lets not have any > pretensions about the live content of the synth parts!! > Ash >> > > I guess I believe that there must be some humanity in the > production, and I may indeed be wrong about that. Is it possible that TD > could assemble the equipment on stage, hit the play button and go out for > dinner and a few drinks, then come back two hours later and pack up? > > 'Now, here they are. Give them a warm hand on their opening. [ ;-) HAHA! Eli have for years made jokes about how Steve Roach or Klaus would put on a sequence and leave for a few hours, have some coffee & donuts and come back to say 'oh good, my new album is finished'. This is why I have slid into the prog rock zone (Mark Shreeve included). I want human elements in my music. I want to hear humanity in the tunes. I can't actually believe I'm saying this but I'm looking more forward to the re-release of Buckner & Garcia's Pac Man Fever than I did to Tournado. How sad is that?? Dan the dude Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8912 Re: Tournado cd/ no TD content DJS Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 7:45 pm Subject: Re: TD tour fund At 20:26 199711.18 PST, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' >Scott plumer wrote: > If Ed says no, why don't we collect money for a tour fund, like >they did with Marillion? (If you're not familiar with this, a group of >fans from the Marillion mailing list collected money from fans to bring >them to the US. They collected over $20000. That's twenty-thousand. They >were here in September.) > >Just a little more info here. The fund raised over $50,000 to bring the >band here. Contributions came in from all over the world. Also, anybody >who contributed more than $30.00 will receive a collectors item 2 disc set >of the Rochester show from start to finish that was performed on 8/31/97. > So, raising money for such a feat can be done. I'd pitch in a few $ to such a fund, on the condition that they play at Burning Man. If a non-commercial event such as Burning Man can do it for 10+ years, dedicated enough people can do some incredibly wonderful things. Besides, it's probably the coolest and most unusual venue TD will ever see. 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 9:23 pm Subject: Re: Transformation of Mind ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-11-19 14:21:01 EST, you write: << They also had a copy of KS/Namlook/Laswell 'DSOTM 5' LTD Edition for >> huh? what ltd edition? thanks, tom w np: pigface - a new high in low From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 9:28 pm Subject: Re: Famous last words ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... Yes. It is a shame Klaus is leaving. But we are here to discuss TD music, and although Klaus was perfect for information, there are others on this list who are just as keen on the subject of TD as Klaus was. I'm not trying to start a war here, it's just a fact. So even though it's sad to see him go, the TD list will live on. In a message dated 97-11-19 11:02:58 EST, you write: << I am very sad to see you go, Klaus, but I really think by leaving tadream you are depriving yourself of a very nice side to your hobby called TD, and only because you insist on driving your old bicycle on a 4 lane highway and then get mad at all these cars there... Hilmar >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Potshot at Steve Roach & Klaus Schulze ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Re: Tournado cd >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:09:04 -0800 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Organization: Rakinik Intertype >Really-From: DJS > >HAHA! Eli have for years made jokes about how Steve Roach or Klaus would >put on a sequence and leave for a few hours, have some coffee & donuts >and come back to say 'oh good, my new album is finished'. [. . .] Ho! I've been saying the same thing about Kraftwerk since 1978! -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8887 Re: Potshot at Steve Roach & Klaus Schulze Greg Heil Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB 8910 Re: Potshot at Steve Roach & Klaus Schulze DJS Thu 11/20/1997 4 KB 8919 Re: Potshot at Steve Roach & Klaus Schulze Greg Heil Thu 11/20/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 9:54 pm Subject: Two Replies & A Reprimand ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Douglas S. Halfen (bs cmsc)' Sean, IMHO, I don't think TD's cover versions of 'Purple Haze' and 'Eleanor Rigby' would constitute Edgar's idea of 'living in the past.' A 'good' cover accomp- lishes more than just an imitation of its original piece, and I'd have to say that both of TD's rock covers accomplish either a tribute (which is always nice, assuming you don't collect enough sap from it to drench a pile of 30 pancakes [yum!]) or a reinvention of their originals (though not to a jaw- dropping extent). TD's twiddlings with Mussorgsky and Handel, however, are less effective (though that's forever arguable, and I'm not ready to cast their master copies onto the fire anytime soon ;-). Regarding Edgar's comment, though, I'd have argue that one cannot live in the present without direct connections to both the past and the future. If one never looks back, then one loses a part of the self, and if one never looks forward, then one never knows where one is going (and runs the risk of stagna- tion, though this is not at all necessary). Edgar's comment seems a bit rash and silly (read: half-baked) to me, but I think he is really saying, 'I'm not going to stay here and retrace my steps for any lengthy period of time, since there's still so much ground for me to cover and so much territory to explore!' Edgar's said apparently-dumber things, so I believe that we have to give his comments a degree of leeway, flexibility, and understanding. (Of course, there are many areas which some of us feel that he and the band did not explore fully, and we wish he'd have stayed in those places a little longer, but at least we've got what we've got, for bettwe or worse, for richer or poorer [I'll shut up now].) ----- Gabe, The comments of Steve and me are just being voiced here because we at least have an audience to whom our complaints are more (even if just) than nonsense. You're our captive audience, so please don't mind us if we tuck our gripes into little corners. (Not much of a legacy, I know, but that's not the point! ;-) Regarding voicing these complaints to Edgar & Co. - hey, if I'd seriously thought that my complaints would be productive in at least eliciting some information from the band concerning why-what's-is-not-what's-what (what?), I'd have shipped a nice message off right after reading Steve's comments. Unfortunately, I believe that such matters are too obvious to warrant any questions and subsequent answers - obviously (ha-ha), if the band were inter- ested in doing the right thing, they'd have done the right thing, since I'm sure they at least know the difference between right and wrong. What they've produced is a dirty cheat of a product, and you don't do something like that without full awareness of its implications and consequences. :-( (At least, I hope not - that could indicate demonic possession, alien mind control, etc.) But, since you mention making my complaints known, why not - what could they hurt? (I'm just hoping the horse has a good excuse, and such an excuse would, IMHonestO, be worthless given the conditions of this 'soundtrack' [maniacal laughter] and its release.) Dano's theory is almost certainly _why_, I would imagine, I'm not getting what I want, but we should have heard it from the band way in advance (and _never_ following the release of the 'Special Edition' - _no_ soundtrack shenanigans [including the Varese Sarabande version of Dmitri Tiomkin's _The Fall of the Roman Empire_] have raised my ire or deserved a black mark more than this fiasco). ----- In advance, let me apologize for wasting the list's time with this reprimand. I would have sent it to Goozer via private mail, but his own public rudeness and insensitivity to Steve's concerns demand a terse, tart response. Hermes, you are obviously a rabid, devoted fan, but please control yourself when other folks are frustrated by some of your attempts (and claims) to be helpful and informative regarding a subject (and my passion for _The Keep_ should be painfully obvious). Yes, it is 'JUST ONE SCORE!!' and it may not even be 'integral to the band's oeuvre,' but it _is_ a big deal to at least a few of us. Your defensiveness eroded much of what composure I believed that you had, and your reponses to Steve (especially that hilarious bit about him thinking he's the center of the TD universe) display a shallowness in under- standing that should embarrass you, as well as a viciousness that is unwar- ranted. (Especially since some of your responses are quite erroneous and attack twisted segments of Steve's comments.) Your tone, in particular, is to be criticized. Scholarliness requires object- ivity and humility, neither of which are apparent in your most recent reply, and if you had indeed wanted to be helpful, you've come off the path a good distance. If you want to help, then giving in to one fan's incredulity and honesty through your own anger and resentment is not a good answer. For starters, go watch _Ghandi_. - Doug Halfen From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: There are Two Audio Tapes with Diff. KEEP Endings! :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: No Alternate Endings Mentioned in THE KEEP FAQ >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 21:43:38 -0600 (CST) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >It's obvious now that Steve 'Don Quixote' Feldman simply will not let it >go. I mean, I'm as rabid a fan as you'll find (4 of the 5 concerts I've >seen involved major travel/expense, not to mention my collection), but I >mean, come on! [. . .] Well, I've seen TD twice: once in 1986 and once in 1988. I thought the '88 show bit so hard that I haven't seen them live since and don't feel too deprived because of it. >[. . .] Am I missing something here, or is this too obvious: IT'S >JUST ONE SCORE!! [. . .] Yeah, and 'Ultima Thule' is just one song. ;) >>Really-From: Steven Feldman >>>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >>>>Really-From: Steven Feldman >>>>>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >>> >>>Do not assume that only _two_ of us on the list have seen the US >>>extended ending version! I personally know of a few more than that! Oh, really? Later in the post I'm currently quoting, you yourself demonstrate otherwise: that the version that you and all your friends saw is *not* the same as what I saw!!!!!!!!!! Duh!!!!!!!!!!! >> Well, if any of these people have a recording of it other than an >>Nth-generation copy off *my* tape (which was bad to begin with), it would >>be much appreciated by everyone here if it was put on CD-R for wide >>dissemination. It is, after all, the most kick-ass music in the entire >>film, fer crissakes. Why hoard it like a hamster? Share the wealth! > >Steve, I 'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but the TD universe >does _NOT_ revolve around you! [. . .] This, I know, considering how certain people seem to delight in witholding information and/or music from the subscribership at large. 'Voxel Ux' would be another example of this. >[. . .] What an absolutely arrogant and stupid thing to write; 'Well, >if any of these people have a recording of it other than an Nth- >generation copy off *my* tape...'! [. . .] If the version that you and your friends have was the same as the version that *I* have, I'd agree with you, but since neither you nor your friends have the same version, I stand by my statement; it is not arrogance: until someone else comes up with a different i.e. better recording of the version I have been circulating (and offered to put on the web), it is not arrogance but the truth. Sorry. >[. . .] As to why _I_ personally haven't put the 'cue' on CD-R for >'wider dissemination' (since I can only speak for myself): one, I'm not >thrilled with the quality; [. . .] Hey, I'm not thrilled by the quality of the version *I've* got, either--but it beats a blank. Mediocre sound is better than nothing. I think people are spoiled these days, anyways: I've got bootleg tapes from when I was a Bowie collector that are close to unlistenable, yet they are a source of enjoyment--strained that it may be--in that they have great versions of stuff unavailable otherwise. >[. . .] and two, _IT'S NOT AN ORIGINAL COMPOSITION BY THE BAND_!! I >guess you missed that part of the FAQ [. . .] No, I didn't. So, 'Theme from the Snowman' is a cover. The part of the song that I have been 'ranting' about that no one else seems to have seen or heard (correct me if I'm wrong, Dano and/or Eli) has no counter- part elsewhere in the film, nor on the TDI CD nor the Blue Moon boot nor LOGOS TYPE nor LOGOS. In other words, remove the parts with elements of 'Theme from the Snowman,' and there is still a good four minutes of stuff that has not been duplicated elsewhere. >[. . .] even better, let's put it on a CD-R with 'Confrontation', >the 'Footloose' cover they did in _Streethawk_ and 'A Time For Heroes'! I haven't heard the 'Footloose' cover, but I like 'Confrontation' and 'A Time for Heroes' more than 'House of the Rising Sun' and 'Eleanor Rigby' (as performed by TD). >(yes, I know 'C' isn't performed by them, but a lot of people I know >wanted it on the official CD release...) First of all, I don't think it's been proven conclusively that TD did not record the song. They did not write or arrange it, granted--but that doesn't preclude their having performed it. Besides, it's a good song; it's not like its comparable to 'Flashpoint' by the Gems! ;) >> And where did you get those names for the cues? >From the FAQ (with emphasis added **): >[. . .] Four of the themes are used multiple times, forming 'suites', >as it were. **I've titled them so as to help everyone place them in the >film (at least those who have seen it.) [. . .]** >with the 'suites'**:' Whoops. You got me there. I guess I got confused. >[. . .] I decided to be as brief as possible in the titling the 'cues', >while still indicating the emphasis of the scenes in which they are >used. Yes, those who haven't seen the film are out of luck, [. . .] So much for your FAQ being the user-friendly primer for greenhorns that you thought it would be. >[. . .] _but_, those of us who _have_ should have _no_ difficulty >whatsoever in placing them, [. . .] Well, I did. Try to be objective when you are trying to make something clear to large groups of people. >[. . .] as this is not a very complex movie to begin with! [. . .] I guess that explains why most people don't understand it too well, and film critics always say it makes no sense. X-0 >> What drugs are you on? Seven minutes of a ten-minute piece of music >>is missing--of which 4 1/2 minutes have no counterpart in the film, the >>CD-R boot, the Blue Moon boot, the TDI CD, LOGOS, and LOGOS TYPES--and >>you say its not 'new' but 'different'? By that reasoning, 'Silver Scale' >>would not be new, but merely different than 'Church Theme' (from the >>WAVELENGTH soundtack)! > >Actually, since 'Church Theme', 'Silver Scale' and 'Horns of Doom' all come >from the same source, your point is...what, exactly? [. . .] Just because all three parts can constitute parts of a proverbial elephant that a blind man is prodding doesn't mean that there can't be parts that no blind man has yet prodded. >[. . .] They are _all_ edits taken from this one piece. Or do you not >have any winter '80-'81 fantapes? I have no live tapes from 1980-1981 except for 'Staatsgrenge West.' I don't have much live TD on tape or even on CD. I prefer to spend my money on studio outtakes. >[. . .] And furthermore on this point, 17 _HOURS_ of _Rubycon_ is >missing; [. . .] Huh?!? That's the first I've heard of it. >[. . .] Or the missing 45 mins. of the _Sorcerer_ 'cues'? And that's only the *second* time I've hard about *that*. >Again, _most_ people in this solar system _haven't_ seen the extended >version(s), so I felt it unnecessary to go into any great detail about it. >I apologize to anyone out there who felt shortchanged in any way for not >being able to read about an additional 7+ minutes to 'The Price' 'cue'. >I'll consider adding it to any future revision of the FAQ. I'd like to see the version you have and the version I have put on a CD-R so that this music is *not* obscure any longer!!! >You _really_ have a persecution complex, don't you? [. . .] Only at those times when it's justified. I know for a fact that there are collectors out there who purposely withold information and music from other collectors. >>>[. . .] My guess is that you've seen the same version (not the same >>>physical tape, of course) [. . .] >> >>[. . .] In the version I saw, Glaeken zaps Molasar [three] more times >>and then carries his inert body down into the bowels of the keep, while >>the music goes bugnuts for about 3 minutes straight. > >Anyone else seen this version as described? The version I (and everyone >else I've discussed this with, who number in double-digits) saw was pretty >much as described in A.V. Michael's book (not to mention the actual book >'The Keep'). Instead of freeze framing on Eva at the end, it shows her >running back into the Keep, during which shots of Glaeken floating down >through a mist are depicted. She eventually makes her way down to the 'pit' >where Molasar was held and finds Glaeken, seemingly dead. He eventually >stirs, and we 'discover' that he has become mortal. The end. [. . .] Yeow!!!!!!! What you describe is *definitely not* what I saw. Now I'm glad I started this argument, becuase, otherwise, I would never have found out about this! Also, I now know why you think I'm making a big deal out of nothing: the version you saw probably doesn't have hyper-dynamic music that has no counterpart elsewhere in TD's oeuvre. >Yes, the music is extended, with little bits of 'cues' from other parts >of the film, and it's all very cool. But it's ultimately not worth the >grief you're putting yourself through [. . .] Maybe the version *you* saw isn't too exciting, but the version *I* saw most certainly is! When you get to hear it, let me know what you think. Mark Filipak, who has my tape, should be returning it to me soon and I'll see to it that you get a copy somehow. >>>[. . .] especially since I watched this original copy tape at a certain >>>well-known collectors' house in Boston... >The point of my statement was that you probably _both_ have the same >version on tape, since you live in the same area! Nice try. You saw Glaeken floating in the air. I saw him zap ol' Molasar three more times and then cradle him in his arms while he carried him down into the keep. >I'll say this just once more: I was only concerned with the _score_ and >_NOT_ how many different film versions there were, nor the extended end >theme that most haven't heard. To which I freely admit may have been a >mistake (as far as the 'cue' is concerned.) Now, had the 'cue' been in fact >_totally_ new, and not merely extended, I of course would have commented on >it. [. . .] I think it *is* totally new. That's why I am looking forwarding to finding out what your reaction to it is once you hear it. By the way, thank you for making it clear that there are fan tapes of at least *two* different endings that subscribers to this list have! *That*, to me, makes all the argumentation and fuming worthwhile. :) -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8877 Re: There are Two Audio Tapes with Diff. KEEP End Sean Montgomery Wed 11/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: SOBERNOST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi. Lars asked me to ask you all what the story on the Edgar track from the 1983 movie SOBERNOST is. I just heard it for the first time and was blown away. This (ten-minute!) track is so kick-ass that it makes 'Silver Scale' sound like a track of DEADLY CARE! I'm serious. So, does anyone know what the story is with this song? -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8881 SOBERNOST Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB 8883 Re: SOBERNOST Hermes Guzman Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB 8933 Re: SOBERNOST Hermes Guzman Fri 11/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: STREETHAWK Release(?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Suffer The Fanboys... >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:44:20 -0800 >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > >[. . .] As soon as the right people get a good-quality STREETHAWK >(hopefully a double-disc) release going, then that'll be the day. Huh? I don't get it. Who's got such a project in the works? Is there someone at Silva Screen or Supercollector working on this??? -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8913 Re: STREETHAWK Release(?) DJS Thu 11/20/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Mark Filipak Rises Again ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Howdy, Groovie Guys 'n' Gals, I called Mark Filipak three times today . . . and the 3rd time, he picked up the phone! It seems that he's sick with a bad cold or the flu and was out of work today . . . so . . . he's got a new job, folks! :) When I inquired about the status of the CD-Rs for the tape tree, he said that he'd get to it in two or three days. Things--except for his cold-- are looking up for Mark and those folks who have been dangling on the tape tree's branches. ;) :) -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- BTW, I loved that Admiral Feldmankoetter joke version of the sig below! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the Air Force has silenced it personnel.' --Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, the 1st director of the CIA, quoted in THE NEW YORK TIMES, February 28, 1960. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9027 Re: Mark Filipak Rises Again dn3 Tue 11/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 11:51 pm Subject: Baumann? He's living it up... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 11:43 pm Subject: Re: There are Two Audio Tapes with Diff. KEEP Endings! :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > This, I know, considering how certain people seem to delight in > witholding information and/or music from the subscribership at large. > 'Voxel Ux' would be another example of this. Hey, wait a sec....do you mean the Voxel winners making copies of the final 12 minute song? We don't have the final song yet!! At least, *I* don't. Sigh. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'A paranoiac is someone in possession of the facts' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: $$ For Transients Or TD? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >$$ For Transients Or TD? >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:44:19 -0800 >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > >>Really-From: Steven Feldman > >> one of the first things I did when I subscribed to tadream >>(almost 7 years ago) was suggest setting up a pool so I could get enough >>money ($70) to place a large display ad for THE KEEP in GOLDMINE RECORD >>COLLECTORS magazine. Only *one* list subscriber e-mailed to say that >>he'd donate the dollar I requested. Pretty pathetic, eh? > >A dollar for what? To post an ad so you could reel in a copy of THE KEEP? >They more than likely didn't cuz they wanted THE KEEP for their own prized >possession (vinyl taxidermists, hahaha) and they knew you weren't going to >buy it and cut it up into seventy pieces and divvy them out, haha! Just >kidding, Steve, I'm sure you intended to dub everyone a copy... I did intend to. And if I get the sucker cheap enough, I still will. However, if I end up spending big bucks on it, the asking price will reflect what I had to spend so I can recoup my losses. -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 12:18 am Subject: '92 Concert: Fizzled Out ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >Really-From: Steven Feldman >>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >> >>It's obvious now that Steve 'Don Quixote' Feldman simply will not let it >>go. I mean, I'm as rabid a fan as you'll find (4 of the 5 concerts I've >>seen involved major travel/expense, not to mention my collection), but I >>mean, come on! [. . .] > Well, I've seen TD twice: once in 1986 and once in 1988. I thought >the '88 show bit so hard that I haven't seen them live since and don't >feel too deprived because of it. Good thing you didn't go to a Rockoon show in '92, dude, you would've felt ripped off! At least the '88 show still had some semblance of the 'trio' feel to it, not to mention Paul Haslinger was still around--so you had dual-guitar PLAYING instead of single-guitar SLAPPING--got that, Zlatko? (okay, I'll ease up,...but watching Jerome doing those retro Eddie Van Halen hammer-ons on stage made me wanna yell: 'Get back behind your rig!!!!'). IMHO, the '88 show was good, but maybe I feel that way cuz I missed the '86 gig at Irvine Meadows Amphitheater... By the way, did I ever mention that Dano thought TD were a bunch of chicks making this kind of music (after buying FIRESTARTER & LE PARC?)? yehahahaahaaha E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 12:20 am Subject: (HUMOR) Mementoes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >Sorry dude, those are already in the possession of Mr Elias himself. He >sleeps with them over his face at night...crotch side upon his nose of >course (I apologize to anyone who was disgusted by that last comment). >BTW, Chris Franke needs to smile more (just so we're still on topic). >Dano Unless they're stained, then I shove that part under my tongue before I pass out! yehahhahaha yehahahaha SORRY PEOPLE! Just to stay on-topic: Chris Franke needs an Oprah makeover! E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 12:25 am Subject: SOBERNOST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' < Hi. Lars asked me to ask you all what the story on the Edgar track From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 12:23 am Subject: Don't Ask, Don't Tell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >> >>[. . .] As soon as the right people get a good-quality STREETHAWK >>(hopefully a double-disc) release going, then that'll be the day. > Huh? I don't get it. Who's got such a project in the works? Is >there someone at Silva Screen or Supercollector working on this??? > -- Steven Feldman PSSSST...hey, man. Let's do a new dance called the 'Clinton'...oooo yeah! Don't ask! Don't Tell!!! (heh heh) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: Re: SOBERNOST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Hi. Lars asked me to ask you all what the story on the Edgar track >from the 1983 movie SOBERNOST is. I just heard it for the first time >and was blown away. This (ten-minute!) track is so kick-ass that it >makes 'Silver Scale' sound like a track of DEADLY CARE! I'm serious. > So, does anyone know what the story is with this song? Yup. It's a very tasty bit from the TD winter '81/'82 european tour. The name of the track comes from an onscreen title during a TV show that featured Edgar playing this solo outdoors in '83! They are basically identical. You can also hear a bit of it in the movie 'Risky Business'; it's what's playing when Joel is frantically replacing the furniture while his parents are on the way home. Hope this helped! goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 2:57 am Subject: SOBERNOST on CD-R + restraint ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >< Hi. Lars asked me to ask you all what the story on the Edgar track > >Now I ask you, Steven: friend, brother, pal, chum, compadre, kemo sabe.. >Wanna tape it for me? *grin* > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Normally one would respond directly to the author with such a comment or request. But I've seen a few BIG egos on this list lately.... Anyway, There is a CD-R out that contains this track - it is called Oranges from France. But you must note that there are two different CD-Rs with the same name. One contains a 8:19 minute track of Sobernost, while the other is a great release of the 1975 concert in France. Hey Eli - I'm getting tired of your humor - 3 or 4 joke posts a day is too much (from you). I guess you didn't really HEAR the list last week did you? This is not a chat line. Will you ever learn some restraint? If you are going to post so much, then bring something to the table dude. Vic :-| From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 3:01 am Subject: Re: Which album have you listened to most in your life? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Luntow11@a... unsubscribe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8886 Re: Which album have you listened to most in your Luntow11@a... Thu 11/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 3:02 am Subject: Re: Which album have you listened to most in your life? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Luntow11@a... In a message dated 97-11-19 14:20:06 EST, you write: << majordomo@c... >> someone please remove me from this fucking list!!!!! luntow11@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 3:09 am Subject: Re: Potshot at Steve Roach & Klaus Schulze ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Ho! I've been saying the same thing about Kraftwerk since 1978! > > -- Steven Feldman Oh man.. that hurt! I believe most of Kraftwerk (IMO) is technically perfect composition. I find so much in that music--hard to believe eh? Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 4:02 am Subject: Re: Does the list have a name? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 97-11-18 08:38:32 EST, you write: << I've noted that our TD mailing list is called simply 'tadream'. I was wondering, should we give it a name? >> How about Tadream or not Tadream? LOL. Actually I like it the way it is. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 4:27 am Subject: Kraftwerk Vs. TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' Really-From: 'Greg Heil' >> Ho! I've been saying the same thing about Kraftwerk since 1978! >> >> -- Steven Feldman >Oh man.. that hurt! I believe most of Kraftwerk (IMO) is technically >perfect >composition. I find so much in that music--hard to believe eh? >Greg H. Correct. Their music IS technically impeccable. And by being so, it lacks that inate quality of depth emoted by TD's music. THE MAN-MACHINE...came out in 1979. But FORCE MAJUERE arrived that same year, and decimated it. I shouldn't say that. Their music is very dissimilar, and Kraftwerk indeed laid the groundwork for many industrial acts, including many found on the Wax Trax label, though those acts generally molded the aggressive shape of their musicks (I had to use that word!) off of SPK, Con(rad S.) and others. Actually, Greg, I've nothing against Kraftwerk,...except when I read in KEYBOARD years ago about their 'award' (from their native Germany, to boot) for 'more than a decade of [contributions] to synthesizer [music]...' I thought, 'well, I guess they deserve it. But the Tangs rightfully deserve that award as well. I guess reading that blurb rubbed me the wrong way. Peace... E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 4:36 am Subject: 'V' + 666 = AntiChrist? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > I have been listening to 666 since about 1972. I have gone through 2 >vinyl copies and am now working on a CD copy. I still listen to it on a >very regular basis and I guess I regard 666 as one of my all time top >ten favorite albums. 'Aegian Sea' and 'Break' are super cuts, but I >always listen to the whole album as it is a theme/story album. >-Storck- Man, that's a serious recommendation if I ever read one! Greg Walker (Syn-Phonic) still carries that title, too, I think...so that's HEAVEN AND HELL + 666 for the prog-rockers....how about SEE YOU LATER--any feedback on that title? Elias Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8976 Re: 'V' + 666 = AntiChrist? Larry E Smith Sat 11/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 4:41 am Subject: Re: Live In N.A.? Wishful Thinking... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lpspins@a... I'n with you on this idea! The last time I saw TD live was in 1977! It was a great experience to say the least. There is a record of the event called ' Encore '. Double Lp too! AND, very good sound to boot. Start with Side 4 - an awesome version of 'Desert Dream' - all 17:30 of it. Just the best. Everytime I play this record I go into euphoric-slowdown mode. 'Nuff said. Layterr...John Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8902 Re: Live In N.A.? Wishful Thinking... Plumer, Scott Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB 8971 Re: Live In N.A.? Wishful Thinking... TWeibre361@a... Sat 11/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 6:48 am Subject: MegaMail ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: WebGirlz@a... Webmaster MegaMail is never sent unsolicited. Everyone receiving this newsletter has either opted-in or has asked for information on services. If you feel that you have received this in error, please accept our apologies. 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More Services than ANY Other! http://www.phuk.com/asjoin.htm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8906 Re: MegaMail Patric Donaghy Thu 11/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 6:33 pm Subject: Voxel Ux ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) >> This, I know, considering how certain people seem to delight in >>witholding information and/or music from the subscribership at large. >>'Voxel Ux' would be another example of this. > No! To anyone who thinks that the 'Voxel Ux' winners 'seem to delight in withholding information and/or music': The Music: None of the 12 contestants in the game has the final track 'Voxel Ux', as TD only gave out *one single CD* as the prize (together with the trip to the Easter Islands) and that was *damaged* in sending it to the winner, and TD have not (yet?) sent a replacement, so basically, Voxel Ux does not exist even once. What does exist, is the contest entry tape, as of course we had to share our segments to assemble the entire track. The quality is ridiculous (12 different qualities). The Information: Only two or three of us have even heard the entire piece while we assembled it. The information about it has been posted here last year and an article also appeared in 'Dream Collector'. Now, if you have any further questions...why don't you ask them here? In general, it always good to check your facts before making accusations, especially when you direct them at a very specific group of people. Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8938 Re: Voxel Ux Hilmar Kraft Fri 11/21/1997 3 KB 22870 Voxel Ux Paul Fellows Wed 6/7/2000 2 KB 22872 Re: Voxel Ux Sean Montgomery Wed 6/7/2000 2 KB 22873 Re: Voxel Ux Hermes Guzman Wed 6/7/2000 3 KB 22874 Re: Voxel Ux Michael A Jean Thu 6/8/2000 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 6:56 pm Subject: Re: Kraftwerk and TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) >Wax Trax label, though those acts generally >molded the aggressive shape of their musicks >(I had to use that word!) off of SPK, Con(rad S.) >and others. SPK - agressive? Tell me about it. The most dangerous concert I've ever been to! SPK on a double bill with Chris And Cosey. Chicago, Cabaret Metro, 1988. Frontman Graeme Revell, now doing mellow hollywood music productions (another one?) was using a few oil barrels as drums - yikes these things are loud! Suddenly, he lifted one oil barrel over his head and made a gesture for the audience to move - one second later he threw the damn thing smack into the audience, luckily nobody got hit. Then he jumped down from the stage with a gasoline-powered metal cutter and worked on the barrel, the sparks flying left and right into people's faces. After he was done, he pulled out a thick metal chain and let it circle over the people's heads...lower and lower until we all had to get flat down on the floor so we wouldn't get hit in the face. That was about as bad as it got, but I wouldn't have been suprised if he had pulled out a machine gun next... Great concert, that! Glad I survived it, too. ;-) Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 1:48 pm Subject: Edgar Smiling + Sampler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Hey, for those that said Edgar never smiles or is grumpy when signing autographs, well it looks like TD has published some photos to change your mind. Look under the tour photos section of the TD web page and you'll have a good laugh. There are three (yes 3!) photos of Edgar smiling and two of them are while he is about to autograph some items. I just had to download these images. I may need them someday ;-) Also, there is a sampler out in the US titled 'Celestial Journey II'. This is on the Rising Star label and has a track by TD and C. Franke. I don't have the track listing or catalog number at the moment. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8921 Re: Edgar Smiling + Sampler Jeffrey Au-Yeung Fri 11/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 9:14 pm Subject: RE: The Keep ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) How about this line of thought. Whichever record company released the Keep originally (Virgin/MCA ???) and then recalled them must have records of how many went out, and how many came back. Agreed? Therefore, surely, they must have an idea of how many actually escaped into the field. Further to that, it's feasible that their records stretch to which individual stores didn't return their full quota of albums. This would then give a starting point to the areas involved for tracking them down. Ever thought of getting a private investigator onto it? :-) Just a thought. I don't really know much of the story other than what I've gathered from the _extensive_ discussion ( :-) ) of the matter, and thought I'd butt in. From what I can gather, someone somewhere has it. The world's a big place and we're all very very small. :-) Why doesn't someone try to narrow the playing field? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8905 Re: The Keep Plumer, Scott Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB 8915 Re: The Keep Michael Fox Thu 11/20/1997 4 KB 9094 Re: The Keep TangerineC@a... Wed 11/26/1997 3 KB 9098 Re: The Keep Plumer, Scott Wed 11/26/1997 2 KB 9100 Re: The Keep Plumer, Scott Thu 11/27/1997 4 KB 9383 The Keep Michael A Jean Wed 12/10/1997 2 KB 9384 Re: The Keep Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 12/11/1997 4 KB 9390 The Keep AslanFan1@a... Thu 12/11/1997 2 KB 9828 The Keep neil vanlaten Tue 1/6/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 2:36 pm Subject: RE: Does the list have a name? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> I've noted that our TD mailing list is called simply 'tadream'. I was >> wondering, should we give it a name? (in the same way the Rush list is >> called 'The National Midnight Star', the Genesis one is 'Paperlate', >> etcetera). I think it would be a good idea. >How about the 'Goblins' Club' or a 'Mysterious Semblance at >the Strand of Nightmares'? How about 'Walkers on the Cold Bent Sidewalk?' Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 2:39 pm Subject: RE: $$ For Transients Or TD? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> Nice to know that Marillion fans have their act together more than >>TD fans do: >No, Steve, they're wierdos. A little off-from-the-center. I'm not kidding. >(ha ha) They're not weirdos, they're _Freaks_. :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 3:19 pm Subject: RE: TD books ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Got it yesterday, and you're book & tapes are going in the mail today. Thanks a lot. Scott > -----Original Message----- > From: tadream@c... [SMTP:tadream@c...] > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 8:14 AM > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Re: TD books > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to > majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > Really-From: dn3 > > > > On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:34:27 -0600 tadream mailing list > wrote: > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to > majordomo@c... that > > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > > > > > At 12:14 PM 11/17/1997 +0000, Dennis wrote: > > > > >> > >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > > >> > o am one of the few here who can check for data on this > > movie in all > > >> > four TD books (THE DREAM LIVES ON!, VOICES IN THE DUNES, > > MYSTERIOUS > > >> > SEMBLANCE, and DIGITAL GOTHIC). > > > > > >?????Where can you get these books from? > > > > > >Dennis > > > > > > > 'Mysterious Semblance' was written by Scott Plumer, who replied > > asking for a T-shirt in trade. He is serious. > > > > Andrew > > Forgive me, Scott, but I didn't realise your book was > called 'Mysterious Semblance'. As I said, you'll have your > T-Shirt pretty soon...hope you are serious about the trade. > > Dennis > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8901 Re: TD books Plumer, Scott Thu 11/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 3:21 pm Subject: RE: Tournado cd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > I guess I believe that there must be some humanity in the >production, and I may indeed be wrong about that. Is it possible that TD >could assemble the equipment on stage, hit the play button and go out for >dinner and a few drinks, then come back two hours later and pack up? They did just that in Aachen in 1980. They left the stage, allowing the sequencers to continue, then returned wearing gorilla suits. I'm not making this up, just ask Armin, he was there. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8908 Re: Tournado cd Sean Montgomery Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 3:23 pm Subject: RE: TD books ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' ><< ?????Where can you get these books from? > > Dennis > >> > Ditto the question. Dell I think it's time for an update to the FAQ. 'Mysterious Semblance' is available from me. Please e-mail me off-list for details. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 3:27 pm Subject: RE: Live In N.A.? Wishful Thinking... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' ><< why don't we collect money for a tour fund, >> > This could work! First we'd need to find out how much the band charges >for each concert. Then we'd need to figure out how many cities the money Since I'm the one who brought it up, I'll contact the Marillion folks and see how they did it. There was also an effort by fans of Pendragon to get them here, but rather than money, fans contributed the legwork: they researched venues, arranged transport, lodging, etc., but so far it hasn't worked - Pendragon has not plans to tour the US soon. I tried to get Cluster to play Cleveland last summer (Hey, they'd played Boisie, why not Cleveland?) even booking a venue (across the street from me), lodging (my house), and transport (my van) but for some reason they bowed out. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 3:29 pm Subject: Re: $$ For Transients Or TD? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: CMOSLover tadream mailing list wrote: > >No, Steve, they're wierdos. A little off-from-the-center. I'm > not kidding. > >(ha ha) > > They're not weirdos, they're _Freaks_. :-) > > Scott Is this before or after Fish left? ;-) CMOSLover From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 4:16 pm Subject: RE: $$ For Transients Or TD? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> >No, Steve, they're wierdos. A little off-from-the-center. I'm >> not kidding. >> >(ha ha) >> >> They're not weirdos, they're _Freaks_. :-) >> >> Scott > Is this before or after Fish left? ;-) Still! Their mailing list is even called freaks-l. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 4:15 pm Subject: RE: The Keep ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Whichever record company released the Keep originally (Virgin/MCA ???) >and then recalled them must have records of how many went out, and >how many came back. Agreed? Therefore, surely, they must have an idea >of how many actually escaped into the field. After this long (14 years) they may not have any records on it, or they may be so buried that they don't want to dig them out. >From what I can gather, someone somewhere has it. The world's a big place >and we're all very very small. :-) Why doesn't someone try to narrow the >playing field? You'd think that, wouldn't you? But dig this: there are 388 people on this list worldwide, and no one has spoken up as owning a copy. Perhaps what we should do is ALL of us call ALL the used record stores in our area and ask for a copy. With that kind of coverage, I'm we'd find a copy, if there was one out there. We could also slip notes into the TD bins at our local stores saying 'If you have the Keep ST on LP, or know someone who does, call me at . . .' Albums usually get released in Europe before the US, so there's a better chance there are some copies in Europe than in the US. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 4:50 pm Subject: Re: MegaMail ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: patricdonaghy@w... (Patric Donaghy) remove Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 5:20 pm Subject: Re: Paris Edge Desc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: BDuke25@a... Could someone please give me a (brief would suffice) description of TD's 'Paris Edge' and '3 Tier Dream' cd's? Thank you Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8916 Re: Paris Edge Desc. Dave Brewer Thu 11/20/1997 4 KB 9455 Re: Paris Edge Desc. feldon@p... Mon 12/15/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 5:50 pm Subject: RE: Tournado cd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Is it possible that TD could assemble the equipment on stage, hit the > play button and go out for dinner and a few drinks, then come back two > hours later and pack up? Well, I know that this is how the New Order song 'Blue Monday' was born. The band love their alcohol, and used to fire up the sequencer and drum machine for a while at the end of shows so they could slip backstage to commence getting hammered. The result was a worldwide dance hit that spawned a whole era of 12' single dance mixes. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'A paranoiac is someone in possession of the facts' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 6:02 pm Subject: TRADE/SALES SOUNDTRACK FOR FANTASY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: WSenfflebe@a... Hello, now I do like trade/sales CD Bootleg Soundtrack for fantasy of TD. If interest, send a news to me. bye wolfgang e-mail wsenfflebe@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 7:09 pm Subject: Re: Potshot at Steve Roach & Klaus Schulze ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > Ho! I've been saying the same thing about Kraftwerk since 1978! > > > > -- Steven Feldman > > Oh man.. that hurt! I believe most of Kraftwerk (IMO) is technically > perfect > composition. I find so much in that music--hard to believe eh? > > Greg H. I agree with Greg. Kraftwerk is much more composionally sound than Steve Roach or, IMO, Klaus. Have you ever listened to Roach's Stormwarning for an hour or more. I did once and I felt like going to the nearest McDonalds and shooting everyone. Roach, with the single exception ofhis album Empetus, starts to grate the hell out of me after ten minutes of dedoedeodoedoeodeodeodoedeodoeodeodoeodoedoeodeodoededoeodoedoeodoedoeodeodoeode\ odoedoeodoedoeodoedoododededdedeededededededededede. I have NEVER had that problem with Kraftwerk. If anything they make me laugh while singing such hilarities such as 'boing boom chuk' or, 'we are showroom dummies'. I'll take a group of five Dieter from Schprockets anyday over the Californian tribal freak. Dan, the soundtrack dude From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 7:33 pm Subject: TD fan egos & trading ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > > >Now I ask you, Steven: friend, brother, pal, chum, compadre, kemo sabe.. > >Wanna tape it for me? *grin* > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Normally one would respond directly to the author with such a comment or > request. But I've seen a few BIG egos on this list lately.... > > Anyway, > There is a CD-R out that contains this track - it is called Oranges from > France. But you must note that there are two different CD-Rs with the same > name. One contains a 8:19 minute track of Sobernost, while the other is a > great release of the 1975 concert in France. > > Hey Eli - I'm getting tired of your humor - 3 or 4 joke posts a day is too > much (from you). I guess you didn't really HEAR the list last week did you? > This is not a chat line. Will you ever learn some restraint? If you are > going to post so much, then bring something to the table dude. > > Vic :-| Personally, I'd never ask Eli to have restraint. You want him to explode and make us all messy? Anyway... Okay, we all have TD or musical goodies to trade and goodies that one or the other doesn't have. Here is my opinion on the whole ego thing. When I first joined the original TDIFC years back I met several T Dream fans all over the place. Several of them helped me get things I would NEVER have found on my own, some of them put thier noses up and kept their precious rarities. It was out of their own hospitality that they gave me copies of rare TD tracks or live shows, something which i never even considered previously to even exist. Now, ten years later I have an amazing collection of TD and Emusic items thanks to several people, some of them even on this list. When someone asks me for an item, as long as I have access to an extra one, I gladly send them one because were it not for these cool people out there such as Mike Darnell, Dave Minton, Vic Rek or Bob Grabowsky...I'd have a pretty sad collection. As the years have passed I have been fortunate enough to work in the 'industry' of music. Now I get lots of goodies and I can pay back all the guys who helped me out. I don't charge money unless there is a fee involved for me and I heartily share and TD items if it makes a fan slobber. I wish everyone would have this ideal. It makes a lot of people happier and you never know when they might be able to send you something beyond amazement...perhaps it won't even be a TD item. Could be something more amazing from something else you care more about. So, be cool and trade without always expecting something in return. It will probably come later. Just a few thoughts... Dan the soundtrack dude Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8914 Re: TD fan egos & trading Vic Rek Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 7:51 pm Subject: Re: Tournado cd/ no TD content ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS ta------------------------------------------------- > Really-From: KRAUSENECKS > > Pac man remixes 2??? say it's so , my vinyl's soooooo worn out. > Chris > > ---------- It's very so. You can look at their website (do a search cuz I'm to lazy to get the info heh). I think it will either be re-recorded or just released on CD for the first time. Dan the 'I played a bit too much Dragon's lair when I was young' dude From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 7:47 pm Subject: Re: STREETHAWK Release(?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Subject: Suffer The Fanboys... > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:44:20 -0800 > >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > >[. . .] As soon as the right people get a good-quality STREETHAWK > >(hopefully a double-disc) release going, then that'll be the day. > > Huh? I don't get it. Who's got such a project in the works? Is > there someone at Silva Screen or Supercollector working on this??? > > -- Steven Feldman Silva Screen isn't involved at all...but I can say that we (STMGI) have expressed some interest in the project. The producers at SuperTracks really only care about what OST's will sell...so If I become convinced that Street Hawk would rival or outsell such OST's a B5 or any of TD's other OST's then I would gladly pursue it. I think limited edition copies would be the most ideal. Currently we're closing a major deal to produce a highly anticipated soundtrack (can't mention it yet here) so that's consuming a lot of our time. I'll keep everyone here posted. Stay Tuned.. Dan the 'I think Conner would kick Duncan's ass' man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 7:35 pm Subject: Re: TD fan egos & trading ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: DJS > >Personally, I'd never ask Eli to have restraint. You want him to explode >and make us all messy? Anyway... He did! But he's all patched back up again and in working order... :-) > [...] It was out of their own hospitality that they >gave me copies of rare TD tracks or live shows, something which i never >even considered previously to even exist. Now, ten years later I have an >amazing collection of TD and Emusic items thanks to several people, some >of them even on this list.[...] <[...] Now I get lots of goodies and I can pay back all the guys who >helped me out. I don't charge money unless there is a fee involved for >me and I heartily share and TD items if it makes a fan slobber. I wish >everyone would have this ideal. It makes a lot of people happier and you >never know when they might be able to send you something beyond >amazement...[...] Well put Dano! If you think you have everything and have all the contacts and close yourself off, you'll never know what may pass you by.... Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 2:52 pm Subject: RE: The Keep ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 02:14 PM 11/20/97 GMT, you wrote: >Whichever record company released the Keep originally (Virgin/MCA ???) >and then recalled them must have records of how many went out, and >how many came back. Agreed? Therefore, surely, they must have an idea >of how many actually escaped into the field. > >Further to that, it's feasible that their records stretch to which individual >stores didn't return their full quota of albums. As one who owned a record store I may have a spin (hee hee) on this. At the time of the initial release, I doubt if many stores bought direct from the manufacturer--most used suppliers--middlemen--to buy product from. If the record company called a recall (I went through a few) it was up to each store owner to, IN GOOD FAITH, return the product. If he said, 'Hey, I sold all mine', that was the end of it. As many of the jobbers (suppliers) have gone out of business by now, I seriously doubt if there is any real figures for what is what. This doesn't even bring into account the possibility that some of THE KEEP could have ended up with independent jobbers who buy up cut-out, over-production, left-over product. I've looked--yes, Steven, I really did--through some old catalogs I still had and found no reference to the album. Several on-line vinyl sources also have come up nill. For what it's worth. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 8:29 pm Subject: Re: Paris Edge Desc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: BDuke25@a... > > Could someone please give me a (brief would suffice) description of TD's > 'Paris Edge' and '3 Tier Dream' cd's? > Thank you > I'll give it a try! :-) I have 3 Tier Dream and 3 Tier Dream On, and Paris Edge was put together from both of them, if I'm not mistaken. The first disc of 3TD contains about 60 minutes of the performance in 1976 at the Royal Albert Hall. It's an audience recording with pretty good sound quality. The 2nd disc of 3TD has almost 70 minutes of the performance in 1982 at the Hammersmith Odeon (I don't know if that is the correct venue, but it's the one credited). It's another audience recording of pretty good quality. The 3rd disc of 3TD contains about 35 minutes of the performance in 1986 at the Paris Olympia, and two extra tracks. The sound quality of the Paris music is very good, like a radio broadcast or soundboard recording. The bonus tracks are Speed and Das Maedchen... played at 33rpm off the Tatort single, and the sound isn't that great. 3TD On contains another 40 minutes of the 1986 Paris show, and a demo mix of The Cliffs of Sydney as a bonus track. The entire disc is of very good sound quality. I think Paris Edge contains the Paris performance of 3TD and 3TD On, minus a few minutes so it'll fit onto one CDR. I hope this all helps you! :-) Dave B. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9455 Re: Paris Edge Desc. feldon@p... Mon 12/15/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 8:40 pm Subject: Re: A name for the list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Hello! Don't you think 'Logos' by its latin origin and meaning would be appropriate? Greetings, Fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8920 Re: A name for the list Gabe Yedid Fri 11/21/1997 2 KB 8925 Re: A name for the list Lars R. Jones Fri 11/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 8:52 pm Subject: BRISTOL '97. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jason P. Hopkins' Has anyone got a fan tape of the Bristol '97 concert that they'd like to swap? If so e-mail off-list. --Jason. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 9:37 pm Subject: Re: Potshot at Steve Roach & Klaus Schulze ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > > > Ho! I've been saying the same thing about Kraftwerk since 1978! > > > > > > -- Steven Feldman > > > > Oh man.. that hurt! I believe most of Kraftwerk (IMO) is technically > > perfect > > composition. I find so much in that music--hard to believe eh? > > > > Greg H. > > > I agree with Greg. Kraftwerk is much more composionally sound than Steve > Roach or, IMO, Klaus. Have you ever listened to Roach's Stormwarning for > an hour or more. I did once and I felt like going to the nearest > McDonalds and shooting everyone. Roach, with the single exception ofhis > album Empetus, starts to grate the hell out of me after ten minutes of > dedoedeodoedoeodeodeodoedeodoeodeodoeodoedoeodeodoededoeodoedoeodoedoeodeodo eodeodoedoeodoedoeodoedoododededdedeededededededededede. > I have NEVER had that problem with Kraftwerk. If anything they make me > laugh while singing such hilarities such as 'boing boom chuk' or, 'we > are showroom dummies'. I'll take a group of five Dieter from Schprockets > anyday over the Californian tribal freak. > > Dan, the soundtrack dude Those simple lyrics got Kraftwerk into the rock music store section. The reason I say there's so much in Kraftwerk is that I love substituting the lyrics with rhyming words.. 'It's more fun to rebute... It's more fun to shoot..' I can't tell you how many times my life has been threatened when I continually sing 'Neeee-on lights.. Shimmmmaring Neeeee-on lights and at the fall.... of night, this city is maaaaade of light.' That music makes me more happy than most of what else I hear.. TD is much more serious, and I respect their music much more in keeping with higher level topics/inspirations. Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 10:09 pm Subject: Re: A name for the list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: FredYargui@a... > > > Hello! > > Don't you think 'Logos' by its latin origin and meaning would be appropriate? erm...picky-point here..'logos' is ancient Greek. > Greetings, > > Fred Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 3:59 pm Subject: Re: Edgar Smiling + Sampler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' > Really-From: Vic Rek > > > Also, there is a sampler out in the US titled 'Celestial Journey II'. This > is on the Rising Star label and has a track by TD and C. Franke. I don't > have the track listing or catalog number at the moment. > > Vic > Celestial Journey II (Rising Star Records RS0340) 2) Mothers of Rain (4:59) - TD 4) Silence of the Eclipse (4:51) - Chris Franke Hope this helps, Jeffrey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Nov 20, 1997 11:36 pm Subject: item for trade ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jupe I have a copy of 'Patrolling Space Borders'CD for trade . Dream on ! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: Re: No Alternate Endings Mentioned in THE KEEP FAQ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: DJS > > >TONS OF GARBAGE AND BOOKLOADS OF RUBBISH CUT... > > >> would you look up for a moment and see that some of us may be tiring of >> this tirade of yours, and wish that you would just move on. I know that I >> am. >> >> goozer (who is now more than ever 'Keeped' out!) 8P >ooze, > >Where did you come from, why are you here and how much do I have to pay >you to leave and never come back? If S-dude likes the Keep...just accept >it. I'm amazed by how much you are being affected by this soundtrack. >Remember the end of Ferris Bueller? 'It's over...go home!' > >Dan the dude Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9453 Re: No Alternate Endings Mentioned in THE KEEP FA feldon@p... Mon 12/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Goodbye ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (peter stoeferle) Hello and goodbye... and it has become too much effort to seperate the useful news and intelligent remarks from more and more junk mails. In the last weeks, I received Digest versions of 50 - 100 KB which is the text equivalent of some 30 - 60 pages of typewriter sheets. It is not any longer worth to spend time on reading of most of that stuff daily. Thanks to all those who contributed ingenious messages and opinions. I invite all those who would like to stay in touch with me to mail me privately. Peter --------------------------- Peter Stoeferle Dream Collector magazine peter.stoeferle@t... --------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8939 Re: Goodbye Vic Rek Fri 11/21/1997 3 KB 16399 Goodbye Daventura Thu 5/13/1999 1 KB 16402 Re: Goodbye Joe Shoults Thu 5/13/1999 2 KB 27850 Goodbye E Neal Frost Mon 7/23/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 2:10 am Subject: Re: A name for the list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Don't you think 'Logos' by its latin origin and meaning would be appropriate? -- the origin of 'logos' is greek (it is a transliteration; sorry, I can't transcribe the greek characters here) check OED or a good latin dictionary... lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: An Open Apology re Voxel Ux ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Voxel Ux >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:33:03 GMT >Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) > >>> This, I know, considering how certain people seem to delight in >>>witholding information and/or music from the subscribership at large. >>>'Voxel Ux' would be another example of this. > >No! To anyone who thinks that the 'Voxel Ux' winners 'seem to delight >in withholding information and/or music': I apologize. In my zeal (no laughing out there, gol dang it!) to forge an argument, I incorrectly used as an example a song that was fresh in my mind from just having heard it. Bad analogy. Sorry. >The Music: None of the 12 contestants in the game has the final track >'Voxel Ux', as TD only gave out *one single CD* as the prize (together >with the trip to the Easter Islands) and that was *damaged* in sending >it to the winner, and TD have not (yet?) sent a replacement, so >basically, Voxel Ux does not exist even once. What does exist, is the >contest entry tape, as of course we had to share our segments to >assemble the entire track. The quality is ridiculous (12 different >qualities). Yeah, but it's emininently listenable: it fluctuates from a sound quality of about 7 to 10, IMHO, which ain't bad. >The Information: Only two or three of us have even heard the entire >piece while we assembled it. The information about it has been posted >here last year and an article also appeared in 'Dream Collector'. Now, >if you have any further questions...why don't you ask them here? Do you want to whip me publicly or privately? >In general, it always good to check your facts before making >accusations, especially when you direct them at a very specific group >of people. Guilty as charged. Sorry. Really. -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 3:34 am Subject: D: Beyond The Storm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Jones Gold clouds, iron wood, Bobcats in the Sun ... Each time I pick up a new endeavor by EF or TD, I spend a great deal of time trying to visualize the perfect visual soundtrack to accompany the movie I'm hearing. After playing around with manipulating the images suggested in the music to crudely approximate the various effects, it begins to dawn on me that it's just manipulation and remanipulation over and over again. It gets tedious. Boring. Where'd the fun in this go? So I put it down, go listen to something else. Do more of the same. And so it goes. And then finally, I come to a point several years later when I can no longer do anything with the music. No movietracks, no more visualizations. There's just the experience of being in the moment of listening to 'Genesta in the Afterglow' while driving down an empty city street after a good rainstorm at night and all the gold halogens are misty and gentle. That's an example. There's lots of others. EF says his music isn't for the marketplace, and inasmuch as he means that it's not something that's readily packageable, quantifiable and consumable, I agree. But there's another side to this, from the perspective of one of those who likes to sit in the odd corner of a cafe with a decent iced au lait and watch, and listen, to experience that rare moment when it all comes together and I can really see that paradox of separation and together, sadness and joy, at work in the real world. 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale' and one of the homeless walking through a surge in traffic, that sort of thing. I really need to start jotting more of these moments down so that I could actually explain what it is I'm trying to get at in concrete details, actually write a book instead of just dreaming about writing one, but that's the general idea. My vote for the track that makes my bone marrow sing: 'Vault of the Heavans.' I'm one of those who doesn't contribute very often because by the time I get to a lot of these messages, they're dead issues anyway, and when the flame wars have been raging, I've stayed out to let cooler heads prevail. I can only speak for myself, but I appreciate the fact that this list is still here despite the rather destructive nature of it of late. My discovery of TD was quite by accident and a rather solitary process -- I guess there aren't too many fans in Tucson, and Lars is no longer in Phoenix. Had it not been for the TD website and this list, I would have missed out on a lot of thinking, a lot of excellent writing, and a much-needed sense of the 'overall picture' of TD and this area of electronic music. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: The Two Different TV Endings to THE KEEP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Okay, several people have contacted me about the TV endings to THE KEEP, so I thought I'd share the results. First, there is the version that everyone who's seen it on TV but me has reported seeing, which is described by Alan Michaels, below: From 'THE DREAM LIVES ON!' by Alan Vincent Michaels, 1990, 'The Tangerine Dream Movie Soundtrack Reference' section, page 3: Note that there are several different endings to THE KEEP. In the videotape version, Scott Glenn is shown dying at the end, and the end credits consist of red lettering over a black background. The USA TV shows Glenn floating around, with the end credit music from the videotape version. The woman re- enters the Keep and finds Glenn alive. The end credits consist of sky shots, wind noise, and white lettering superimposed over the background. The Japanese or European release of the film also has a different ending. Then, there is the version *I* saw on a UHF-channel, which I have on audio tape. The length of the entire section of the movie which I taped is 12:32 (twelve minutes a nd thirty-two seconds) long. At the 2:20 mark, we hear the sound of Glaeken's energy rod activating as the talisman (the grail-shaped top part of it) is connected to the rod. The UHF-only stuff starts at around the 3:20 mark when Glaeken tells Magda Cuza, 'Take your father and get out of here.' We hear Glaeken's energy rod blast out at Molasaar three more times at the 4:24 mark. The actual song in question starts at the 5:00 mark. It is 7:32 in total. ||| The first 3:25 is the end theme from the laserdisk/videotape/cable version of the film, but instead of fading at the end to the sound of blowing wind, the song takes a turn into the gutteral and ugly. At the 6:00 mark there is a quieter passage with majestic mellotron, and then the familiar 'Theme from the Snowman' theme returns at the 6:39 mark. The song begins the same as in the regular version, but instead of a fade-out to blowing wind at the end, the song continues, and eventually ends--without wind sounds. Basically, the song is 7:32, with the old part 3:25 and the new part running 4:07 mins. Here, then, is an itemization of the song's actual length: TAPE TIME... 12:32 o 2:20 Glaeken joins the parts of the power rod together. o 3:20 'Take your father and get out of this place.' quote. o 4:24 Glaken's rod blasts Molasaar three times. o 5:00 Song begins... SONG TIME... 7:32 o 0:00 The familiar end-theme starts up. o 3:25 The unfamiliar part of the song starts. o 6:00 quietish mellotron interlude o 6:39 The familiar end-theme returns. o 7:32 End What transpires in the video portion of the music described above is that Glaeken (Scott Glenn) blasts the bad guy three more times, and then walks down into the bottom of the keep-- near where Dr. Cuza obtained the talisman--with said bad guy cradled in his arms. He walks along and near the inside of the steep cave wall that stretches upward into the gloom. I don't really understand the significance of Glaeken taking this long walk of his, but it does allow for some highly evokive music, that's for sure! I'd like to plea for a videotape of (the longer version of) THE KEEP that runs on local and/or network TV, i.e. not on cable. The version on regular TV has a 4 minute section at the end that does not appear on the videotape, the laserdisc, nor cable--and it contains the most intense music in the film. A couple of months ago, I re-watched THE KEEP videotape for the first time--since having read the book. It was really rather odd actually being able to understand how Michael Mann (the director) thinks inasmuch as I understood quite often how what he chose to film and how he chose to film it could and even should have worked in of itself--but how in the greater context of the entire film, it didn't really come together. I also was able to see where other parts of the film that had been filmed might have been chopped. For example, when the scene shifts to the weird pylons in the cavern below the keep--before showing Dr. Cuza rummaging for the talisman, there is an abrupt cut in the music. Also, when Magda Cuza comes to warn her father away from Molasar, she says, 'It [the talisman] belongs to Glaeken Trismegistis, not Molasar,' which is odd indeed, considering that neither of these names are ever uttered anywhere else in the film. So, if anyone comes across variants of this film, now you have some hints where to look for more atypical footage. :) Right now, I am tracking down a copy of the version that I don't have. I'd like to make a compilation tape of any other hard-to-get footage from this film. Whatever help is offered will be accepted and appreciated, and the results will be shared. Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: , and BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 4:09 am Subject: Re: Associations Between TIMESQUARE Tracks & Other TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 97-11-19 07:41:02 EST, you write: << Iowa (THE CLUB DREAM MIXES) >> Dennis, is this an album I've missed hearing about? I am not familiar with this one. Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9025 Re: Associations Between TIMESQUARE Tracks & Othe dn3 Mon 11/24/1997 4 KB 9123 Re: Associations Between TIMESQUARE Tracks & Othe AOutland@a... Thu 11/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 4:12 am Subject: Re: Trying To Reach You !! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 97-11-19 08:41:25 EST, you write: << If someone in Florida could check out this 'Selective Marketing' and see if it exists, and if they are at the source of this $%@# ad, then >> Vincent, I am in Florida. Tell me what to do and I'll try my best, but I am not familiar with what has happened here with this and I am relatively new to computers. I'll do what I can if you can give me some ideas on how. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 4:26 am Subject: Re: TD Tour of N.A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 97-11-19 13:12:37 EST, you write: << Serously, who really WANTS to see TD anymore. >> I DO, I DO VERY MUCH. Just to be in the presence of someone who has created music of this caliber, I wouldn't care if all he did was 'drop his guitar on stage'. Not only that, but being surrounded by like-minded fans would give me the warm fuzzies. If you are so negative about this group, why do you stay here? And I don't mean that in a mean way either. You have contributed many useful comments to this place, but why do you really stay here, Dano? Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: Re: No Alternate Endings.../Reprimand ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all Hmm...you know, it's usually those who squeal about being 'censored' that are usually the first to advocate it... >Really-From: DJS >TONS OF GARBAGE AND BOOKLOADS OF RUBBISH CUT... Some of which you should have read, as it's about to be quoted back to you... >> would you look up for a moment and see that some of us may be tiring of >> this tirade of yours, and wish that you would just move on. I know that I >> am. >> >> goozer (who is now more than ever 'Keeped' out!) 8P >ooze, > >Where did you come from, why are you here and how much do I have to pay >you to leave and never come back? If S-dude likes the Keep...just accept >it. I'm amazed by how much you are being affected by this soundtrack. >Remember the end of Ferris Bueller? 'It's over...go home!' Last of your points first: 1) In the last several years I may have posted...4 times? regarding the Keep. It's in every single one of Steve's postings (as part of his tag). I'm not the one who's being affected by this soundtrack! And before any of you think I'm attacking Steven again... 2) The full quote from my post: *'If you wish to continue your myopic ranting over a mere score, please, go right ahead. But would you look up for a moment and see that some of us may be tiring of this tirade of yours, and wish that you would just move on. I know that I am.'* At _NO_ time did I tell him to leave, shut up or suggest that he be censored! If he wishes to continue posting about the Keep, more power to him. Yes, I was harsh, but I will never suggest to anyone in a public forum such as this to 'go away' over a little disagreement. You'd have to be really offensive for me to even consider thinking about that. Which brings us to some of your posts... I don't recall asking _you_ to leave after your purile and infantile postings to this list. Why then have you not extended the same courtesy? At least Steven and I, though at odds, are _on_ topic _without_ being offensive to everyone else! 3)My parents; to discuss and trade TD with fellow enthusiasts; you'll never even dream that kind of coin. I've probably been here as long as you have, and will be here until this list shuts down. And no amount of 'trolling' by you or anyone else will change that. +++++++++++++ >Really-From: 'Douglas S. Halfen (bs cmsc)' >In advance, let me apologize for wasting the list's time with this reprimand. >I would have sent it to Goozer via private mail, but his own public rudeness >and insensitivity to Steve's concerns demand a terse, tart response. So sprinkling a reply with obscenities and accusing someone of drug use (even in jest) is not rude? If my reply was harsh, as I have just stated it may have been above, it was only in response to what was in the post that I felt was unjustly rude towards me. If anyone took offense at that, I apologize. In fact, allow me to apologize to you in public, Steven, if you felt in any way treated unfairly by my posting. It was not a particularly good day for me all around, and some of that may have come out inappropriately. >Hermes, you are obviously a rabid, devoted fan, but please control yourself >when other folks are frustrated by some of your attempts (and claims) to be >helpful and informative regarding a subject (and my passion for _The Keep_ >should be painfully obvious). Yes, it is 'JUST ONE SCORE!!' and it may not >even be 'integral to the band's oeuvre,' but it _is_ a big deal to at least >a few of us. Your defensiveness eroded much of what composure I believed that >you had, and your reponses to Steve (especially that hilarious bit about him >thinking he's the center of the TD universe) display a shallowness in under- >standing that should embarrass you, as well as a viciousness that is unwar- >ranted. (Especially since some of your responses are quite erroneous and >attack twisted segments of Steve's comments.) When you are attacked, you defend. Unless you don't believe in what you're saying/doing, in which case you shouldn't _be_ saying/doing that for which you are being attacked. As for _my_ shallowness, _I_ wasn't the one who made this statement: *'Well, if any of these people have a recording of it other than an Nth-generation copy off *my* tape...'*! His statement was arrogant. My response was sarcastic, not shallow. And as I stated at the outset of my FAQ, it's a subject that's close to my heart as well. Furthermore, since I feel it is always important to include _in context_ the full and revelant sections of anything I am replying to, please show me where I 'attack twisted segments of Steve's comments'? I do not paraphrase when responding to specific accusations or questions; that would only engender confusion and possibly anger. So please point out where I have done this so that I can make a full retraction. Also, please share with me (and the rest of us) what factual errors I made in my response. This is a serious question, as I do not claim to be perfect, nor in sole posession of all the answers, and will always immediately correct inaccurate information I have promulgated. >Your tone, in particular, is to be criticized. Scholarliness requires >objectivity and humility, neither of which are apparent in your most >recent >reply, and if you had indeed wanted to be helpful, you've come off >the path a >good distance. If you want to help, then giving in to one >fan's incredulity >and honesty through your own anger and resentment is >not a good answer. For >starters, go watch _Ghandi_. To the above I will agree in part: guilty as charged with mitigating circumstances; see above for apology. However, I do not resent anyone anything, nor am I angry. Frustrated would be a better description. And I have seen _Ghandi_, BTW. Great flick, great life, could've used a few burgers in 'im, though. ;) I hope I didn't offend anyone with that last bit! :) I also hope this helps to clear things up a little. goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: Re: SOBERNOST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! *ERRATA* I made a teeny error in my reply to this question; I have corrected the mistake as follows. Please forgive the duplication. >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Hi. Lars asked me to ask you all what the story on the Edgar track >from the 1983 movie SOBERNOST is. I just heard it for the first time >and was blown away. This (ten-minute!) track is so kick-ass that it >makes 'Silver Scale' sound like a track of DEADLY CARE! I'm serious. > So, does anyone know what the story is with this song? Yup. It's a very tasty bit from the TD Oct./Nov. '81 UK tour. The name of the track comes from an onscreen title during a TV show that featured Edgar playing this solo outdoors in '83! They are basically identical. You can also hear a bit of it in the movie 'Risky Business'; it's what's playing when Joel is frantically replacing the furniture while his parents are on the way home. Also, for those of you with _Three Tier Dream_, you will find this track starting at 10:00 into the disc _Digital Times_. Although it's labeled as London Hammersmith Odeon '82, it's actually Hammersmith Odeon _'81_. We all know which London venue they played in '82! Hope this helped! goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: Re: D: Beyond The Storm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all- >Really-From: Mark Jones > >Gold clouds, iron wood, Bobcats in the Sun ... > >(...)But there's another side to this, from the perspective of one of >those who likes to sit in the odd corner of a cafe with a decent iced au >lait and watch, and listen, to experience that rare moment when it all >comes together and I can really see that paradox of separation and >together, sadness and joy, at work in the real world. 'Epsilon in >Malaysian Pale' and one of the homeless walking through a surge in >traffic, that sort of thing. I really need to start jotting more of these >moments down so that I could actually explain what it is I'm trying to get >at in concrete details, actually write a book instead of just dreaming >about writing one, but that's the general idea. This is very similar to how I experience music as well. I'm always glad to see another person's perspective can be both a window and a mirror to my own. Great post! goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8992 Re: D: Beyond The Storm AOutland@a... Sun 11/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 6:48 am Subject: re: TD Books ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sturminatr@a... > > o am one of the few here who can check for data on this movie in all > > four TD books (THE DREAM LIVES ON!, VOICES IN THE DUNES, > > MYSTERIOUS SEMBLANCE, and DIGITAL GOTHIC). >??????Where can you get these books from? Horizon Music will be selling Digital Gothic in the near future for $16.95 (plus shipping) to both subscribers and non-subscribers. If any of you are interested, feel free to drop me an EMail at the above address. -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 6:48 am Subject: re: TD Tour of N.A. & My TD Concert Fantasy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sturminatr@a... >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >If Ed says no, why don't we collect money for a tour fund, like >they did with Marillion? (If you're not familiar with this, a group of >fans from the Marillion mailing list collected money from fans to bring >them to the US. They collected over $20000. That's twenty-thousand. They >were here in September.) Hmmm. Scott, assuming you know more details about this, how exactly did it work? I doubt that the Froeses would be willing to do anything of this sort if catering to someone else's demands was one of the conditions of the tour. They certainly have the right to that attitude, but I for one would hate to send in any money to help a proposed tour so that I could later blow another $30 on tickets, plus another $50 or so on merchandise so I could then watch Edgar punch some buttons to songs I only half-like and hit the bricks after the show faster than you could say 'Wahn.' Then again, perhaps I'm wrong (it has happened, you know). My TD Concert Fantasy is pretty sketchy in most details, but here are the ones that are crystal clear: -No songs from the Seattle Years (except maybe 'Big City Dwarves') -No guitarist (who needs 'em? You've got Edgar, for christ sake!) -Five Words: 'Cloudburst Flight (Guitar Workout Mix)' -Lots o' stuff I've never heard before -A CD for sale that compiles all the bonus tracks that have come out in the past five years ('Fort Worth', 'Story of the Brave', 'Oriental Haze', the two tracks from the Private Comp, 'Colorado Dawn', 'Vigour', the one on the Miramar Oasis, etc. etc.) Sure, I've got most of them, but it would be nice to have them all in one spot and who has time to make tapes nowadays? -The Keep three disc set (okay, that's really for Steve Feldman, but I'd buy it) -A chance to spend more than 5 seconds with the band Demanding little cuss, ain't I? -B. Kirby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8942 Re: TD Tour of N.A. & My TD Concert Fantasy Plumer, Scott Fri 11/21/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 7:07 am Subject: Re: Beyond The Storm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Really-From: Mark Jones EF says his > music isn't for the marketplace, and inasmuch as he means that it's not > something that's readily packageable, quantifiable and consumable, I > agree. But there's another side to this, from the perspective of one of > those who likes to sit in the odd corner of a cafe with a decent iced au > lait and watch, and listen, to experience that rare moment when it all > comes together and I can really see that paradox of separation and > together, sadness and joy, at work in the real world. I feel the same way as you do. I have always thought that Tangerine Dream music has much more and is quite special when compared to commercial music. I know people who could never 'get into' TD because commercial music has just become another method of speech.. words sung--something personal to the singer, something that we artists call 'too literal and spelling it out--leaving nothing for the viewer (listener) to discover.' Maybe I listen to too much TD because when I listen to the radio, only in my friends car... the words sound like jumbled sounds.. I no longer make sense of the words so much as listen to everything other than the words. I can listen to a song many times and never even once pay attention to what is being said, while the whole time, my friend sits there singing the song. > I guess there aren't too many fans in Tucson, and Lars is no longer in > Phoenix. well TD has a fan in Lake Havasu City, Arizona! =o) Had it not been for the TD website and this list, I would have > missed out on a lot of thinking, a lot of excellent writing, and a > much-needed sense of the 'overall picture' of TD and this area of > electronic music. >Mark Jones Same feelings here. Greg H. Greg@I... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8955 Re: Beyond The Storm Dave Brewer Fri 11/21/1997 5 KB 28653 Re: Beyond The Storm Dennis Nigbur Thu 8/23/2001 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 5:43 pm Subject: Re: Voxel Ux ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) >Really-From: Steven Feldman > I apologize. In my zeal (no laughing out there, gol dang it!) to >forge an argument, I incorrectly used as an example a song that was >fresh in my mind from just having heard it. Bad analogy. Sorry. Apology 100% accepted. >>assemble the entire track. The quality is ridiculous (12 different >>qualities). > > Yeah, but it's emininently listenable: it fluctuates from a sound >quality of about 7 to 10, IMHO, which ain't bad. Aha...you so have listened to it!?!?! Good evidence, that we haven't been that secretive after all, since you managed to get a copy, right? :-) Hey, don't worry, I know you were just trying to back up your argument. Keep up the good work on 'The Keep', I don't mind hearing all the tiniest details about it...it is still 100 times more interesting reading than most of the lame jokes from certain other individuals lately... Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 1:39 pm Subject: Re: Goodbye ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (peter stoeferle) > >Hello and goodbye... > >and it has become too much effort to seperate the useful news and intelligent >remarks from more and more junk mails. I met Peter in Warsaw, Poland this last summer (he's from Germany). A super guy and a huge TD fan. He is the editor of the TD fan magazine Dream Collector, which I highly recommend. Sorry to see you unsubscribe Peter. Hopefully soon we will be able to welcome you back. Note: Let's remember to try to edit out as much non-pertinent material as possible when replying to cut down on the length of the messages. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 1:54 pm Subject: Re: Trying To Reach You !! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Nov 20, 11:12pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Trying To Reach You !! > Really-From: AOutland@a... > > > In a message dated 97-11-19 08:41:25 EST, you write: > > << > If someone in Florida could check out this 'Selective Marketing' and > see if it exists, and if they are at the source of this $%@# ad, then > >> > Vincent, I am in Florida. Tell me what to do and I'll try my best, but I > am not familiar with what has happened here with this and I am relatively new > to computers. I'll do what I can if you can give me some ideas on how. Dell >-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list That request had nothing to do with computer per se, what I was suggesting was the someone look-up this outfit in the phone book and perhaps contact them and find out if they were indeed spamming us. If they were guilty of this, then they would be fair game to return 'saturation email', the usual net way of getting back at someone. Of course, and that is the important consideration, one does not want do hit innocent victims. A good example is this 'chain e-mail' of a few months back that maintained that the American Cancer Society would donate 2 cents for cancer research for every email they would get. Do you see the problem here? The American Cancer Society IS already doing and sponsoring research, they don't need email to give away the research money! Further, they get their money from grants and donations, so where the heck would they get this 2 cents from anyway? My gess is that this chain was started by someone close to the tabbacco industry so that unsuspecting and well intentioned web users would do their dirty work and 'spam' the ACS site, probably to get revenge for their position in associating cancer and cigarettes... Now, on to the TD content: Has anyone kept an eye on some reliable source for those latest TD CD (those that were released at their last gig, like this 'ambiant monkey' one) so that people this side of the Antlantic could get their greedy hands on them? We (well, at least *I*) would like to get an e-mail address of a distributor, either here in North America or in Europe but able and willing to ship to Canada. Many thanks for any info you can spare. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 3:59 pm Subject: UK Tour Poster ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Hello Could anybody who collects concert posters, please provide some information regarding tour posters turned up during the UK tour? Were they posters with words only, or with the Goblin's Club album cover?? Also for those who have spare copies available for sale or swap please contact me off-list. Thanks Jeffrey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 2:22 pm Subject: RE: TD Tour of N.A. & My TD Concert Fantasy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >If Ed says no, why don't we collect money for a tour fund, like >>they did with Marillion? (If you're not familiar with this, a group of >>fans from the Marillion mailing list collected money from fans to bring >>them to the US. They collected over $20000. That's twenty-thousand. They >>were here in September.) >Hmmm. >Scott, assuming you know more details about this, how exactly did it work? I I sent a message to Freaks-L, the Marillion mailing list, but so far haven't received a reply. I'll try someone else next. I'm not really familiar with all the details. >doubt that the Froeses would be willing to do anything of this sort if >catering to someone else's demands was one of the conditions of the tour. Nor should they. > They certainly have the right to that attitude, but I for one would hate to >send in any money to help a proposed tour so that I could later blow another >$30 on tickets, plus another $50 or so on merchandise so I could then watch >Edgar punch some buttons to songs I only half-like and hit the bricks after >the show faster than you could say 'Wahn.' I agree, but I still want to see them live again. Three times isn't enough! Perhaps we should voice these opinions on the Website guestbook. If enough of us made our feelings known, perhaps His Holiness would respond to us directly. >Then again, perhaps I'm wrong (it has happened, you know). >My TD Concert Fantasy is pretty sketchy in most details, but here are the >ones that are crystal clear: >-No songs from the Seattle Years (except maybe 'Big City Dwarves') Keep dreaming! >-No guitarist (who needs 'em? You've got Edgar, for christ sake!) Agreed. Zlatko's good, but Ed's, well, Ed! _My_ personal fantasy was for Ed to be the guest keyboardist/guitarist for Pink Floyd's tour in '94. My two faves together! >-Five Words: 'Cloudburst Flight (Guitar Workout Mix)' >-Lots o' stuff I've never heard before I think we'd _all_ like that. >-A CD for sale that compiles all the bonus tracks that have come out in the >past five years ('Fort Worth', 'Story of the Brave', 'Oriental Haze', the two >tracks from the Private Comp, 'Colorado Dawn', 'Vigour', the one on the >Miramar Oasis, etc. etc.) Sure, I've got most of them, but it would be nice >to have them all in one spot and who has time to make tapes nowadays? Yeah right. >-The Keep three disc set (okay, that's really for Steve Feldman, but I'd buy >it) I'm still waiting for the lost tracks from Sorceror. >-A chance to spend more than 5 seconds with the band That's still more time than I've spent with them, and I've seen them three times! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 2:43 pm Subject: The Man Inside Offer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I can get 'The Man Inside' original CD, but I'm not sure of the price yet. I'm taking offers, and I hate to inform you, but this CD will probably be over $80. Please don't complain about the price to me, I'm just the messenger. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8945 Re: The Man Inside Offer Vincent Goudreault Fri 11/21/1997 3 KB 8948 Re: The Man Inside Offer Plumer, Scott Fri 11/21/1997 2 KB 8962 Re: The Man Inside Offer Dave Brewer Fri 11/21/1997 3 KB 8964 Re: The Man Inside Offer DJS Fri 11/21/1997 4 KB 8966 Re: The Man Inside Offer Vic Rek Sat 11/22/1997 3 KB 8968 Re: The Man Inside Offer Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 11/22/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 3:30 pm Subject: tour cds ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> C.B. Vincent Goudreault writes: >Has anyone kept an eye on some reliable source for those latest TD CD >(those that were released at their last gig, like this 'ambiant monkey' one) >so that people this side of the Antlantic could get their greedy hands on them? >We (well, at least *I*) would like to get an e-mail address of a distributor, >either here in North America or in Europe but able and willing to ship >to Canada. Many thanks for any info you can spare. Voiceprint told me they will have these cds 'soon' so I'd suggest checking their web page regularly; if you don't have web access, something will certainly be posted on tadream, as soon as they appear at voiceprint (they take MC/VISA/AMEX & have a 800 number for orders; I don't know how this works from canada; expect to pay about $25US per CD). Of course 'soon' might mean the upcoming release dates in jan/feb... the Keep pre-release CDs were sold out and I wouldn't expect them to appear at voiceprint at all... count yourself lucky if you can find one at ANY price! You'll be best to wait for the regular Keep release (if it happens ;-) (sorry, I couldn't resist that)... the good news is that I have begun to see **TDI** CDs appear in US stores (e.g.tournado) for about $15 US -- so if you can wait until late april or may (judging by track record) you should see the stock releases of these 3 CDs in the US -- and, from what I understand, a month or so later in Canada.... lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8947 Re: tour cds Vincent Goudreault Fri 11/21/1997 4 KB 8949 Re: tour cds Gabe Yedid Fri 11/21/1997 3 KB 8975 tour cds Lars R. Jones Sat 11/22/1997 3 KB 9020 Re: tour cds Plumer, Scott Mon 11/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 3:42 pm Subject: Re: The Man Inside Offer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Nov 21, 9:43am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: The Man Inside Offer > Really-From: Vic Rek > > > I can get 'The Man Inside' original CD, but I'm not sure of the price yet. > I'm taking offers, and I hate to inform you, but this CD will probably be > over $80. > > Please don't complain about the price to me, I'm just the messenger. > > Vic > What do you mean by 'original CD'? Is this a label rarity related issue? Or do you imply that any 'L'affaire Walraf' CD is already worth a bundle? C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet 'If you are in touch with your inner child, is that considered pedophily?' H.S. Watson, from his non-existant book 'How to hypnotize a blind person and various other useless things that nobody should care for anyway' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 3:55 pm Subject: TD / MARRILLIAN TOUR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Hi guys, I think it is a good idea to have us post EN MASS the official website in order to find out if the PRIVATE tour is a real possibility. If we all posted on the same day we might just get an answer from the GURU or even Sir Froese( although Jerome would be a better bet. Since he seems to be the computer savvy one in der family Froese) . On another Keep note, the popular fan mag VIDEO WATCHDOG has had articles on the various versions of LEGEND in a past article, and they keep reporting to have a similiar article on THE KEEP soon. If they do I'll certinly post it. The legend article discusses all the various versions out there, with still photo's and the like. Also just a personal thanks to Lars and Lawry for brightening my as of late, messy life. I'm in the middle of a move, with no place to move.My condo fell thu, and your kind TD music contributions have made me smile every day! Thanks! Lets get some feedback and set up a day to post to the site OK? chris From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 4:13 pm Subject: Re: tour cds ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Thanks for the info, Lars. I don't have web access, so I'll be keeping an eye on the messages posted here. Anyhow, I can wait -- proof of this is the 5 Bab 5 CD set that I got two weeks ago and still didn't have the time to listen to yet. My main fear is missing the boat entirely (e.i.: the good stuff is sold out before I could get to it). Since I already have the Keep boot, I think I can wait for the official release and not shed too many tears on not having the pre-release version. Unlike you, I collect music only, so I am not too worried about every release there is -- though I wish I had the vinyl 'Ages' for that track missing on the CD... C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet 'If one suffers from multiple personalities, and one of those is paranoiac, can one be afraid the other personalities are going to gang on him?' H.S. Watson, from his non-existant book 'How to hypnotize a blind person and various other useless things that nobody should care for anyway' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 4:27 pm Subject: RE: The Man Inside Offer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> I can get 'The Man Inside' original CD, but I'm not sure of the price yet. >> I'm taking offers, and I hate to inform you, but this CD will probably be >> over $80. Heh, heh. I bought mine for $6 used. :-) Now I'm tempted to sell it. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 4:26 pm Subject: Re: tour cds ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > the good news is that I have begun to see **TDI** CDs appear in US stores > (e.g.tournado) for about $15 US -- so if you can wait until late april or > may (judging by track record) you should see the stock releases of these 3 > CDs in the US -- and, from what I understand, a month or so later in > Canada.... > > lars I haven't checked Sam the Record Man or HMV for some time, but Rock En Stock does have _Tournado_ now, apparently. However, I think I'll pass on it for the copy of _A'Dam Eve_ on the way...as soon as this bloody postal strike comes to an end... Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 4:27 pm Subject: Re: tour cds/The Keep special edition ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Lars wrote: >... the Keep pre-release CDs were sold out and I wouldn't expect them > to appear at voiceprint at all... count yourself lucky if you can find one > at ANY price! You'll be best to wait for the regular Keep release [...] I´ve noticed that this TDI010CD is a special edition but I´m wondering if it´s a limited one since their is no hint to find. Does 'pre-sales' mean that the other CDs will be different ? With a different cover ? With one extra or different track like some other TDI releases ? :-( If so, what the hell is Edgar doing ? I don´t wanna buy two different releases although I like the music of the special edition very much. (sorry, Vic) I´ll buy an AirSculpture CD instead. JTJFJ. Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8956 Re: tour cds/The Keep special edition DJS Fri 11/21/1997 3 KB 8958 Re: tour cds/The Keep special edition Jens Peschke Fri 11/21/1997 4 KB 8961 Re: tour cds/The Keep special edition Dave Brewer Fri 11/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 5:48 pm Subject: 1997 UK Tour - Account Imminent ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' Having had time to compile an account of my recent trip to three concerts, I now have typed it up for your information. I will post it here very soon. It is long, but hopefully most will find it an interseting read. All comments welcome! Regards, Conrad Gibbons Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8953 1997 UK Tour - Account Imminent Gibbons, Conrad Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Nov 18, 1997 5:12 pm Subject: Are Ozric Tentacles worth seeing live from a TD-fan's point of vi ew? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' Off topic slightly, but... Ozric Tentacles play Belfast on Fri Nov. 28th. Has anyone seen them on this tour/recently? How do they compare to TD's live performance? Would it be mainly instrumental? Should I go? Would you go? Regards, Conrad Gibbons Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8963 Re: Are Ozric Tentacles worth seeing live from a Gabe Yedid Sat 11/22/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 5:56 pm Subject: 1997 UK Tour - Account Imminent ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' This is my second attempt at getting this message to the list. It will be followed by my second attempt to post the account itself. E-mail problems somewhere along the line... Having had time to compile an account of my recent trip to three concerts, I now have typed it up for your information. I will post it here very soon. It is long, but hopefully most will find it an interseting read. All comments welcome! Regards, Conrad Gibbons From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 17, 1997 6:03 pm Subject: 1997 UK Tour - An account of 3 concerts by Conrad Gibbons ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' The luck of the Irish! Following Tangerine Dream on the 1997 'Tournado' UK Tour. (Compiled by Conrad Gibbons) This is a detailed account of events which took place during my recent trip to three consecutive Tangerine Dream concerts held in Glasgow (November 1st), Leeds (November 2nd) and Birmingham (November 3rd). Saturday November 1st: Destination Glasgow The morning immediately after halloween, myself and my brother Sean set off on the start of our successful trip. I drove us in my Volkswagen Golf Turbo Diesel from Derry (in north-west Ireland) to Belfast docks where where we met up with my good friend Mark Atchison who was keen to make the trip with us. We drove onto the 'Seacat' ferry and proceeded to enjoy the one-and-a-half hour crossing in ideal weather conditions for making such a sea-crossing. We arrived in Stranraer and were back on the road before 1 pm. I had prepared a tape of music most likely to be played at the concerts and it suited the scenic drive to Glasgow very well. In two hours we reached Renfrew Street and our hotel. We freshened up and went for a bite to eat at around 3.30 pm. Once we had obtained suitable sustenance we made our way to the Royal Concert Hall where we sussed out the layout of the building, locating the box office, auditorium and importantly, the stage door. I had written to Kennedy Street Enterprises the week prior to the concerts in the hope of being able to arrange permission to meet the band as I had done back in 1990 (at four concerts). I followed up my letter with a phone call to the tour promoter who explained that he had passed my letter on to the band's manager, namely Julia Snyder after the Bristol concert. He said that if I wanted to come to the stage door when I would get to Glasgow that 'we'll take it from there...'. We got to the stage door at around 4.30 pm and went inside. I asked at the security desk inside if it would be possible to speak to Stuart Hobday. Very shortly, by the power of portable phones Stuart descended the stairs and I did the introductions. He informed us that we had timed it nicely and that the band were being picked up from their hotel at 4.45 pm. I asked him about meeting the band and he said he would try to sort us out with after-show passes. I thanked him and said that we would hopefully chat later and that we were destined for Leeds and Birmingham in the coming days. We went outside to wait to greet the band. Half-an-hour later a coach with blackened windows pulled up on the busy street, adjacent to the stage door. I was standing nearest the stage door so I knew the Tangs would have to pass me by! First out were Zlatko Perica and Emil Hachfeld, followed by people I later learnt were Julia Snyder, Anja Kathmann and Rob Ayling. Last out came the Froese family. As they walked by me I greeted them with 'Hi folks!', to which Edgar turned to look at me and said somewhat surprisedly 'Hi, to you!'. Having been through the motions of standing around stage doorways in the past (both before and after concerts) I have always found it to be good policy not to hamper artists as soon as they arrive. For this reason, I waited over twenty minutes before attempting to make contact with Julia Snyder. Two people came out the stage door with a trolley and headed in the direction of the tour lorries parked round the corner. I asked one of them, a lady (who I later discovered was Anja) if she could pass a message on to Julia for me to say that I was at the stage door and was wondering if she had got my letter or not. She looked at me a little puzzled but agreed! After this Anja and the other chap returned with a trolley-full of boxes (two large 'Fruit of the Loom' and one medium-sized brown box with 'Tangerine Dream Ambient Monkeys' written with black marker on the side) before re-entering the stage door. Ten minutes later I could see the lady who I thought was most likely to be Julia standing near the desk inside (the stage door had a portal window you see!). She looked like she was looking for someone. Me, perhaps? I quickly persuaded Sean and Mark to follow me in. I caught Julia's eye and introduced myself. I asked if she had got my letter, and she said she had. She asked if we were going to more concerts, and I mentioned Leeds and Birmingham. She said that we would be able to meet the band after the show. She said that we could collect passes at the box office. I thanked her emphatically and shook hands once more. We exited in good humour, headed for the box-office only to be told that we were too early to see a guest-list and he suggested we call back in about an hour. It was now after 5.30 pm and we decided to have a browse along Sauciehall Street. Mark and myself headed for HMV while my brother nipped into Waterstone's book shop. I had arranged by e-mail to meet Armin Thiessen in a pub called 'The Victoria and Albert' at around 6.00 pm. To be in time, Mark and I left HMV in search of Sean in Waterstone's. While in Waterstone's I spotted an old friend and colleague, Siegfried Lindhorst with his friend Peter Stoeferle. We chatted for a while. They told me how they had been to the Nottingham concert and were going to Glasgow and Leeds before returning home to Germany. I asked them not to tell me too much about the Nottingham gig! They emphasised that the concert would actually start at around 7.30 pm and to be aware of this! I explained I had to meet Armin in the pub down the road, and that I would see them later. Sean, Mark and myself headed for 'The Victoria and Albert' pub. Once inside I hoped to see Armin (who I had met in 'The Moon On The Green' at Shepherd's Bush in '96) but also that I might spot some other TD fans who might happen to be there. Well, there was no sign of Armin, in fact he later apologised for not being able to make it. However I did recognise Craig Cordrey who had also been at the pre-gig pub meet-up in '96 at Shepherd's Bush. I reacquainted myself with him before introducing my entourage to his entourage. Craig introduced his friends to us. They included Grant Middleton who like Craig, is a regular contributor to the Tadream bulletin board. We had a right old chat and a few beers. I relayed the relevance of 7.30 pm. I wanted to have a look at the merchandise on sale so we departed from the Scottish lads around 7.00 pm. First stop the box office! No passes! Slight mix up - the attendant got on his phone and came back to tell us that the passes were sitting at the security desk inside the stage door. Out we went of the building, right and right again to the stage door which we entered. The security man at the desk recognised me and said 'Conrad Gibbons?' before handing me a white envelope with my name on it and '3 Passes' beside it. 'Thank you very much' I told the man before we quickly left and made our way back in to the building. We showed our tickets on entering before having a quick look at the merchandise on sale and locating our seats. An announcement said that the performance would start in one minute. We took our seats on the left terrace. We had a good view of the stage and the crowd. As is usual at Tangerine Dream concerts, the stage was covered by two large semi-translucent curtains which met in the middle. A number of lights shone from behind onto the curtain projecting the TD/TDI logo while the stage itself was bathed in a soft blue hue. The hall lights dimmed just before the concert started. The opening piece was recognisable as Waterborne from 'Oasis'. Mid-way through the piece, the curtains were pulled open but snagged on a row of lights at the front of the stage. Two of the crew quickly ran out to free the curtains and open them fully. Other recognisable music played included Betrayal, Poland, Sundance Kid, Silver Scale, Warsaw In the Sun, Stratosfear '95, Dolphin Dance, Streethawk and for the first time performed live on tour, Beach Theme. At one point sounds reminiscent of Edgar's 'Ages' were played as a bridging sequence. Emil played percussion on most tracks and added an awful lot of energy to the performance, while Zlatko played guitar occasionally and stood patiently the rest of the time. Edgar and Jerome looked engrossed at their keyboard workstations. The light show complemented the music and mood of the concert. Computer graphics were projected onto the screen behind the band, and this worked very well. Sean and I both had hand-held binoculars which allowed us a closer look at string-picking, bongo-tapping and keyboard-tinkling. After one hour it was time for an interval of approximately twenty minutes. Most people who got up from their seats headed for the toilets, but I headed towards the merchandise counter as I knew the crowd would be small. I was served straight away, buying 'The Keep', 'Ambient Monkeys', 'Time Square' and a T-shirt. By the time I was served a considerable crowd had built up behind me and I was glad that I had gone to the booth straight away! During the interval I recognised music from The Keep being played. I spoke briefly to Siegfried and Peter who seemed to be enjoying the show. A quick trip to the bathroom was called for to ensure an interruption-free second set. The second set began in a similar fashion to the Tournado CD with Emil performing a drum solo, though it featured an extra very Eastern latter half. This lead into Flashflood and then into 220 Volt allowing Zlatko to join in once more. The bridge sequence (as featured on 'Tournado') before Firetongues is a personal favourite at the moment and I enjoyed hearing it live. Zlatko played electric guitar for the start of Firetongues before taking a seat and playing Spanish guitar for the last part. As in the first set, the mesmeric computer graphics were easy to get into. Other music played included Two Bunch Palms, Little Blond In The Park Of Attractions, Rising Haul In Silence, Lamb With Radar Eyes, and Touchwood. The last piece of the second set turned out to be a new composition featuring interesting sounds and analog synth tones similar to that featured in Church Theme from 'Wavelength' together with chord progressions more akin to the Schmoelling/Franke/Froese era than present day TD music. Zlatko joined in too, but reserved his soloing to complement the piece. This tune seemed to go down well with the crowd and it brought the second set to a close. Edgar, Jerome, Emil and Zlatko all left the stage but returned eventually at the audience's enthusiastic response. The first encore played was the shorter version of Maedchen On the Stairs. This was followed by Thief Yang And The Tangram Seal. Both went down well with the crowd, particularly the Tangram and Thief parts. Once more the band left the stage while the crowd clapped and whistled enthusiastically. Finally the band returned for the last time to play Towards The Evening Star. Edgar introduced the band members and thanked the audience before leaving the stage followed by the band. On came the lights and so ended our first concert of three. We had all enjoyed it considerably. Having waited for the hall to empty, we made our way outside and round to the stage door expecting to find a small crowd gathered, however there were only three people - Craig, Grant and their friend. Mark, Sean and myself went inside and asked the security man if we could speak with Julia Snyder. Very shortly, Julia came down the stairs and told us that she would bring us upstairs to the band. We followed her back up the stairs and to the dressing room area. In the corridor outside the main dressing room Edgar appeared and both talked in German before Julia beckoned us in. We shook hands with Jerome, Edgar and Emil. Siegfried Lindhorst and Peter Stoeferle were already seated. Edgar offered us seats which we took, and asked about us coming over from Ireland. I explained how I had met with them before in 1990 at 4 of the concerts. Initially my brother Sean sat with Edgar and spoke with him about the concert. We then swapped seats and I asked Edgar to sign some items for me. I had happened to bring enough items for three nights of signing and Siegfried and Peter joked about this at my expense! I divided the bundle of cd inlays in two and handed one half to Edgar. Even he joked about it and asked me not to shock him when I handed him the second batch, but then told me that 'I forgive you!'. Jerome signed the appropriate inlays too. Zlatko entered the room and I shook hands with him. Emil and Zlatko were friendly lads. They too enjoyed signing stuff. Mark and Sean took some photographs for posterity. I asked Jerome about a schedule for next year and whether or not they would be likely to be touring the States. He seemed uncertain but said there was a possibility that they might go there in March. Edgar asked us about which other concerts we were likely to be going to, and invited us to come backstage in Manchester where there would be a get-together of sorts. I thanked him for the invitation and explained that unfortunately we would not be able to go to the Manchester concert as we had to travel back due to work commitments. He joked about 'Sometimes it is necessary to have to work!'. After a while we decided to leave the band and said our goodbyes, explaining that we might see them again in Leeds and Birmingham. As we left the dressing room I spotted Monica Froese who I recognised from the time I met her in 1990. We made our way back downstairs to the stage door. Once outside, I told Craig and Grant how the band were in good humour and would probably be coming out soon. Armin Thiessen and his three pals turned up around this time and we had a short chat. They didn't hang around too long though... Siegfried and Peter emerged from the stage door and we continued talking. Five minutes later the tour coach pulled up once more so I knew the band were coming out and that Craig and Grant would have a chance to nab them! Sure enough, out they came and made their way in the direction of the coach before being greeted by the lads. It was good that they too had a chance to greet Edgar and company. I said farewell to Craig and Grant before heading off with Peter, Siegfried, Mark and Sean in the direction of our hotel. It turned out that Peter and Siegfried had found accommodation next door to ours. We talked for a while before arranging to meet them in Leeds at 5 pm the next day at the Town and Country Club. Sunday November 2nd: Destination Leeds Having got up early and had our breakfast we left Glasgow at 10.15 am heading south for Leeds. We stopped off for half an hour after Carlisle for a lunch break and a refuel, before continuing south. We reached our accommodation in Leeds in good time (around 3 pm). The venue was less than a five minute walk away. We left for the Town and Country Club after 4.30 pm. As we approached the last street leading up to the gig a certain coach drove past and we were able to follow its general direction up to the stage door area. Just as we got there Edgar and Jerome stepped off the coach and looked our way saying hello before going for a sound check. At this point Peter and Siegfried turned up and we decided we should go for a meal in advance of the concert. The five of us had a very pleasant meal chatting about all things TD-related and generally becoming good friends. Siegfried explained how they would have to leave relatively soon after the concert as they had to drive south to Antony Ainsworth's house where they would get a few hours sleep, before getting up at 5 am to drive to Heathrow Airport to catch their planes home. Soon it was 7 pm and time to head for the concert. Once inside I asked about a guest-list before being handed a white envelope similar to the previous night. The gig was standing only (apart from two small balcony areas), but this had the advantage that it allowed mobility during the concert. 'Ambient Monkeys' was played as the pre-concert music. The running order of the tracks performed proved identical to the Glasgow concert, right down to the encores. In my opinion, the computer graphics did not work as well in Leeds as at Glasgow, as the projector was too close to the screen; they were even shining directly on the band's faces. At the interval as I spoke to Peter, Anja came up to him and spoke in German. He introduced me to her and she remembered me from Glasgow. Being right up at the front (and in the middle) allowed an excellent vantage point for the second set. The band were about six feet away and we could follow the band's movements - particularly that of Emil's percussion and Zlatko's guitar playing. The only drawbacks of the concert were the presence of a few intoxicated individuals at the front left who in their misguided enthusiasm persisted in shouting uninterpretable babblings at Edgar, and the presence of the idiot who decided to jump up on the stage, wave at the crowd and attempt to shake hands with Edgar before being swiftly removed by crew and bouncers. There seemed to be a smaller than expected crowd and later one of the house staff told me that there were only 420 tickets sold. Pity, it was a good concert. Backstage, Siegfried and Peter said their goodbyes as they had to set off on their return journey. I went upstairs to chat with Stuart Hobday to thank him for his co-operation. I returned shortly to find Mark and Sean on their own waiting for me. They told me that two fans (only) were in with the band. I led the way to where the dressing rooms were. Julia Snyder sat in the first room we met and she told us to go on down the corridor to the next room, which we did. I poked my head in the door, said hello and explained that we were not staying and that we just wanted to say hello and goodbye. Edgar said 'Come in, you would like a beer?' pointing to some beers held in ice. I said 'No thanks! Its ok!' (as I don't drink beer). Edgar wasn't having this though and pointing to my brother Sean jokingly said 'He looks like he would like a beer!' Needless to say Sean took him up on the offer and we entered the small room and began chatting. Jerome, Emil, Zlatko, Monica, Anja and a German couple were all present. I seized the opportunity to ask Edgar about something I had puzzled over for the last few years. I asked if he knew anything about Linda Spa playing as part of the Austrian entry in the Eurovision Song Contest which took place in Dublin in '95. He said that this was correct and that she was asked to play by some people in Austria. So folks, it was Linda! Anybody still got this on video tape? I think I still have it somewhere. I asked Edgar about the new track played at the end of the second set. He explained that it is Time Square from 'Dream Mixes II'. Sean talked at length to Emil about his energetic performances. Emil explained to him how he enjoys playing percussion and that he could go for a few months playing live and that this tour is too short for his liking! I spoke to Jerome about the computer graphics accompanying the show. He explained that they are done by a Japanese animist and that the music for the video project has been finished in Berlin hopefully to be released in '98. We talked about the graphics at last year's Shepherd's Bush gig. Jerome told me that most of the footage is on The Video Dream Mixes. I explained the difficulty I had experienced in trying to order it and how after a year and a half of trying to order it I still did not have it! He shook his head in dismay and said 'This video! So many problems!'. Having had a second successful evening we once more said goodbye to the Tangerine Dream entourage and began to make our way back to our accommodation very content. Before exiting the building, I spoke briefly to Rob Ayling of TDI who thanked me for taking the trouble of coming over for the three concerts. Monday November 3rd: Destination Birmingham With two concerts down and one to go we prepared ourselves for the day with a tasty continental breakfast at our hotel. We had a look round Leeds before setting off for Birmingham at 11.30 am. By 2 pm we reached our next B+B in good time. It seemed like a good idea to head into the city centre for a browse of the shops and of the venue. We did some shopping before heading to Symphony Hall to get our bearings and our after-show passes courtesy of Stuart Hobday who we met there. On our return journey to our accommodation, rush hour traffic combined with necessary tricky lane-switching manoeuvres (which didn't always go to plan) meant that it was well after 6 pm by the time we got back. Time for a quick freshen-up before leaving to go to Symphony Hall. A lucky encounter with a bus going our way allowed us to get to the gig with ten minutes to spare. As we went to go upstairs to our seats I recognised Antony Ainsworth in the queue waiting to buy merchandise. I spoke with him briefly. He told me that Siegfried and Peter had stayed with him the night before and had got up early to head off to get their flights. I was glad that things had gone according to plan for them. We had seats in the right hand side of the circle which meant that we were about 20 feet above overlooking the stage. Symphony Hall is a beautiful purpose-built venue - much nicer than Leeds, Shepherd's Bush, or Manchester Apollo for that matter. The acoustics are very good as one might expect from a venue that hosts an orchestra on a regular basis. Once again the concert was identical to the previous two nights. At the interval we went to the cafe to grab a bite to eat. On our way back I visited the merchandise stall to purchase a few items for some friends. Anja recognised me and we chatted a little. I could hear Emil's drum solo starting so I returned to the circle. I moved right up to the very front seat overlooking the stage as the seats there had been unoccupied during the first set. I was actually far enough forward to be in behind the main speakers beneath me so that the sound I could hear was coming manily from the stage monitors. The computer graphics were even better than in Glasgow and worked extremely well. Towards The Evening Star finished the show. Afterwards we went backstage for the last time. The attendant at the appropriate doorway used his mobile to contact Julia on our behalf. Very soon she appeared and greeted us with a big smile. 'Is this your last night??!!' she asked jokingly. 'Yes, it is' I joked back. We followed her into one of the lifts. She asked us which of the three concerts did we prefer? Sean and Mark enjoyed Glasgow the best while I enjoyed all three!! Once out of the lift we could see Edgar standing in the corridor. Julia beckoned us over and Edgar extended his right hand through the doorway. We said hello and went in to the room. Julia and Edgar followed and closed the door. There was a piano in the room so I tried to lift the lid off the keys but unfortunately it was locked. Edgar also asked us if this was our last concert to which we assured him it was. We talked about the possibility of Edgar coming to Ireland, to which he recalled being in Dublin and Cork in the early '80s. I clarified that if he ever wanted to holiday there that he would be very welcome to visit us. He said that perhaps someday he might! He then got up from his seat and apologised for the fact that he had some things to take care of, so we thanked him for meeting us each night and shook hands. We left the room and Julia escorted us back to the lift. I thanked her very much for letting us back-stage and shook hands until next time. I asked the attendant if I could speak with Stuart, so he kindly got on the mobile for me. Stuart came downstairs and we had a fairwell chat. He introduced me to Rob Harris of Voiceprint. Just as we were about to leave, Zlatko and Emil appeared and it was slightly amusing because they recognised us and they shook hands with us (rather than vice-versa). They too were now leaving the building (via the front door). We chatted with them on the way out, wishing them luck on the rest of the tour, and of course inviting them to Ireland! I was surprised by the lack in numbers of lingering fans. Are we too shy to hang around? Surely not. I was glad to be able to meet the band after the shows for the simple reason that very few others were making a similar effort, and in a way we were able to represent all fans. Similarly that is why I have written this account, so that other fans can share some of the events which took place. Next morning we set off for home. Our return sailing was at 6.30 pm which allowed ample time to get back to Stranraer. After our return to Belfast, Sean and I said farewell to Mark before driving on to Derry. Sean and I had driven over 920 miles. Hopefully some of you will enjoy this record of events, I certainly enjoyed preparing it. I must sincerely thank the following for this successful Tangerine Dream experience: Julia Snyder, Stuart Hobday, Edgar Froese, Jerome Froese, Emil Hachfeld, Zlatko Perica, Anja Kathmann, Monica Froese, Peter Stoeferle and Siegfried Lindhorst. Cheers! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8959 Re: 1997 UK Tour - An account of 3 concerts by Co Plumer, Scott Fri 11/21/1997 3 KB 9037 Re: 1997 UK Tour - An account of 3 concerts by Co Michael Fox Mon 11/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 6:12 pm Subject: Re: Beyond The Storm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: 'Greg Heil' > > > QuotedFrom: Mark Jones > > > > EF says his > > music isn't for the marketplace, and inasmuch as he means that it's not > > something that's readily packageable, quantifiable and consumable, I > >[...] > I feel the same way as you do. I have always thought that Tangerine Dream > music > has much more and is quite special when compared to commercial music. > I know people who could never 'get into' TD because commercial music has > just become > another method of speech.. words sung--something personal to the singer, > something that we artists call 'too literal and spelling it out--leaving > nothing for the viewer (listener) to discover.' Maybe I listen to too much > TD because when I listen to the radio, > only in my friends car... the words sound like jumbled sounds.. You've definately said it well, Greg! I listen to very little pop/rock music anymore (unless it's the older rock, like the stuff I was raised on). These newer bands just don't evoke anything within me, it makes better background noise than anything else... Something easy to ignore. Pop music is following closely behind TV in being a no-brainer. I'm glad I discovered TD when I did in 1989, cuz I was starting to really get fed up with pop music around that time. I would have definately liked to get into TD much earlier than that, cuz I was getting interested in electronic sounds in the early 80's (Wendy Carlos' Tron soundtrack is/was excellent!). But, I was too young and didn't have my own money or the knowledge of TD's existence. I guess it was better late then never! > I no longer > make sense > of the words so much as listen to everything other than the words. I can > listen to a song > many times and never even once pay attention to what is being said, while > the whole time, my friend sits there singing the song. And it seems like so many groups mix their albums so that it is hard to hear what they're singing over all the guitars and drums. You'd think you were at a live show or something. > > I guess there aren't too many fans in Tucson, and Lars is no longer in > > Phoenix. > > well TD has a fan in Lake Havasu City, Arizona! =o) And I'm in Tempe, a little bit closer to Tucson. There's also at least a couple of others in Phx. (at least on this list) Yeah, Lars is a really nice guy, but he's not the only one around here! :-) We should all get together sometime over coffee! Listening to TD is a solitary pleasure for me as well. None of my friends around here care for them, and dismiss them as 'video game music'. (I think they were just messing with me tho...) I do have some friends that are into TD, but one lives in Las Vegas, and the others live in Cottonwood AZ, so I don't get to see them very often... Dave B. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 7:17 pm Subject: Re: tour cds/The Keep special edition ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS -------------------------------------------------------- > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > Lars wrote: > > >... the Keep pre-release CDs were sold out and I wouldn't expect them > > to appear at voiceprint at all... count yourself lucky if you can find > one > > at ANY price! Eh, I'm not worried. One of my import distributors always gets the concert specials (Sheperd's Bush, etc) and they have em at a great price too. If I get multiple copies I'll let you all know. Regards, Dan the 'I think the Keep is pathetically overrated' man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Nov 19, 1997 5:59 pm Subject: 1997 UK Tour - An Account by Conrad Gibbons of 3 Concerts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' The luck of the Irish! Following Tangerine Dream on the 1997 'Tournado' UK Tour. (Compiled by Conrad Gibbons) This is a detailed account of events which took place during my recent trip to three consecutive Tangerine Dream concerts held in Glasgow (November 1st), Leeds (November 2nd) and Birmingham (November 3rd). Saturday November 1st: Destination Glasgow The morning immediately after halloween, myself and my brother Sean set off on the start of our successful trip. I drove us in my Volkswagen Golf Turbo Diesel from Derry (in north-west Ireland) to Belfast docks where where we met up with my good friend Mark Atchison who was keen to make the trip with us. We drove onto the 'Seacat' ferry and proceeded to enjoy the one-and-a-half hour crossing in ideal weather conditions for making such a sea-crossing. We arrived in Stranraer and were back on the road before 1 pm. I had prepared a tape of music most likely to be played at the concerts and it suited the scenic drive to Glasgow very well. In two hours we reached Renfrew Street and our hotel. We freshened up and went for a bite to eat at around 3.30 pm. Once we had obtained suitable sustenance we made our way to the Royal Concert Hall where we sussed out the layout of the building, locating the box office, auditorium and importantly, the stage door. I had written to Kennedy Street Enterprises the week prior to the concerts in the hope of being able to arrange permission to meet the band as I had done back in 1990 (at four concerts). I followed up my letter with a phone call to the tour promoter who explained that he had passed my letter on to the band's manager, namely Julia Snyder after the Bristol concert. He said that if I wanted to come to the stage door when I would get to Glasgow that 'we'll take it from there...'. We got to the stage door at around 4.30 pm and went inside. I asked at the security desk inside if it would be possible to speak to Stuart Hobday. Very shortly, by the power of portable phones Stuart descended the stairs and I did the introductions. He informed us that we had timed it nicely and that the band were being picked up from their hotel at 4.45 pm. I asked him about meeting the band and he said he would try to sort us out with after-show passes. I thanked him and said that we would hopefully chat later and that we were destined for Leeds and Birmingham in the coming days. We went outside to wait to greet the band. Half-an-hour later a coach with blackened windows pulled up on the busy street, adjacent to the stage door. I was standing nearest the stage door so I knew the Tangs would have to pass me by! First out were Zlatko Perica and Emil Hachfeld, followed by people I later learnt were Julia Snyder, Anja Kathmann and Rob Ayling. Last out came the Froese family. As they walked by me I greeted them with 'Hi folks!', to which Edgar turned to look at me and said somewhat surprisedly 'Hi, to you!'. Having been through the motions of standing around stage doorways in the past (both before and after concerts) I have always found it to be good policy not to hamper artists as soon as they arrive. For this reason, I waited over twenty minutes before attempting to make contact with Julia Snyder. Two people came out the stage door with a trolley and headed in the direction of the tour lorries parked round the corner. I asked one of them, a lady (who I later discovered was Anja) if she could pass a message on to Julia for me to say that I was at the stage door and was wondering if she had got my letter or not. She looked at me a little puzzled but agreed! After this Anja and the other chap returned with a trolley-full of boxes (two large 'Fruit of the Loom' and one medium-sized brown box with 'Tangerine Dream Ambient Monkeys' written with black marker on the side) before re-entering the stage door. Ten minutes later I could see the lady who I thought was most likely to be Julia standing near the desk inside (the stage door had a portal window you see!). She looked like she was looking for someone. Me, perhaps? I quickly persuaded Sean and Mark to follow me in. I caught Julia's eye and introduced myself. I asked if she had got my letter, and she said she had. She asked if we were going to more concerts, and I mentioned Leeds and Birmingham. She said that we would be able to meet the band after the show. She said that we could collect passes at the box office. I thanked her emphatically and shook hands once more. We exited in good humour, headed for the box-office only to be told that we were too early to see a guest-list and he suggested we call back in about an hour. It was now after 5.30 pm and we decided to have a browse along Sauciehall Street. Mark and myself headed for HMV while my brother nipped into Waterstone's book shop. I had arranged by e-mail to meet Armin Thiessen in a pub called 'The Victoria and Albert' at around 6.00 pm. To be in time, Mark and I left HMV in search of Sean in Waterstone's. While in Waterstone's I spotted an old friend and colleague, Siegfried Lindhorst with his friend Peter Stoeferle. We chatted for a while. They told me how they had been to the Nottingham concert and were going to Glasgow and Leeds before returning home to Germany. I asked them not to tell me too much about the Nottingham gig! They emphasised that the concert would actually start at around 7.30 pm and to be aware of this! I explained I had to meet Armin in the pub down the road, and that I would see them later. Sean, Mark and myself headed for 'The Victoria and Albert' pub. Once inside I hoped to see Armin (who I had met in 'The Moon On The Green' at Shepherd's Bush in '96) but also that I might spot some other TD fans who might happen to be there. Well, there was no sign of Armin, in fact he later apologised for not being able to make it. However I did recognise Craig Cordrey who had also been at the pre-gig pub meet-up in '96 at Shepherd's Bush. I reacquainted myself with him before introducing my entourage to his entourage. Craig introduced his friends to us. They included Grant Middleton who like Craig, is a regular contributor to the Tadream bulletin board. We had a right old chat and a few beers. I relayed the relevance of 7.30 pm. I wanted to have a look at the merchandise on sale so we departed from the Scottish lads around 7.00 pm. First stop the box office! No passes! Slight mix up - the attendant got on his phone and came back to tell us that the passes were sitting at the security desk inside the stage door. Out we went of the building, right and right again to the stage door which we entered. The security man at the desk recognised me and said 'Conrad Gibbons?' before handing me a white envelope with my name on it and '3 Passes' beside it. 'Thank you very much' I told the man before we quickly left and made our way back in to the building. We showed our tickets on entering before having a quick look at the merchandise on sale and locating our seats. An announcement said that the performance would start in one minute. We took our seats on the left terrace. We had a good view of the stage and the crowd. As is usual at Tangerine Dream concerts, the stage was covered by two large semi-translucent curtains which met in the middle. A number of lights shone from behind onto the curtain projecting the TD/TDI logo while the stage itself was bathed in a soft blue hue. The hall lights dimmed just before the concert started. The opening piece was recognisable as Waterborne from 'Oasis'. Mid-way through the piece, the curtains were pulled open but snagged on a row of lights at the front of the stage. Two of the crew quickly ran out to free the curtains and open them fully. Other recognisable music played included Betrayal, Poland, Sundance Kid, Silver Scale, Warsaw In the Sun, Stratosfear '95, Dolphin Dance, Streethawk and for the first time performed live on tour, Beach Theme. At one point sounds reminiscent of Edgar's 'Ages' were played as a bridging sequence. Emil played percussion on most tracks and added an awful lot of energy to the performance, while Zlatko played guitar occasionally and stood patiently the rest of the time. Edgar and Jerome looked engrossed at their keyboard workstations. The light show complemented the music and mood of the concert. Computer graphics were projected onto the screen behind the band, and this worked very well. Sean and I both had hand-held binoculars which allowed us a closer look at string-picking, bongo-tapping and keyboard-tinkling. After one hour it was time for an interval of approximately twenty minutes. Most people who got up from their seats headed for the toilets, but I headed towards the merchandise counter as I knew the crowd would be small. I was served straight away, buying 'The Keep', 'Ambient Monkeys', 'Time Square' and a T-shirt. By the time I was served a considerable crowd had built up behind me and I was glad that I had gone to the booth straight away! During the interval I recognised music from The Keep being played. I spoke briefly to Siegfried and Peter who seemed to be enjoying the show. A quick trip to the bathroom was called for to ensure an interruption-free second set. The second set began in a similar fashion to the Tournado CD with Emil performing a drum solo, though it featured an extra very Eastern latter half. This lead into Flashflood and then into 220 Volt allowing Zlatko to join in once more. The bridge sequence (as featured on 'Tournado') before Firetongues is a personal favourite at the moment and I enjoyed hearing it live. Zlatko played electric guitar for the start of Firetongues before taking a seat and playing Spanish guitar for the last part. As in the first set, the mesmeric computer graphics were easy to get into. Other music played included Two Bunch Palms, Little Blond In The Park Of Attractions, Rising Haul In Silence, Lamb With Radar Eyes, and Touchwood. The last piece of the second set turned out to be a new composition featuring interesting sounds and analog synth tones similar to that featured in Church Theme from 'Wavelength' together with chord progressions more akin to the Schmoelling/Franke/Froese era than present day TD music. Zlatko joined in too, but reserved his soloing to complement the piece. This tune seemed to go down well with the crowd and it brought the second set to a close. Edgar, Jerome, Emil and Zlatko all left the stage but returned eventually at the audience's enthusiastic response. The first encore played was the shorter version of Maedchen On the Stairs. This was followed by Thief Yang And The Tangram Seal. Both went down well with the crowd, particularly the Tangram and Thief parts. Once more the band left the stage while the crowd clapped and whistled enthusiastically. Finally the band returned for the last time to play Towards The Evening Star. Edgar introduced the band members and thanked the audience before leaving the stage followed by the band. On came the lights and so ended our first concert of three. We had all enjoyed it considerably. Having waited for the hall to empty, we made our way outside and round to the stage door expecting to find a small crowd gathered, however there were only three people - Craig, Grant and their friend. Mark, Sean and myself went inside and asked the security man if we could speak with Julia Snyder. Very shortly, Julia came down the stairs and told us that she would bring us upstairs to the band. We followed her back up the stairs and to the dressing room area. In the corridor outside the main dressing room Edgar appeared and both talked in German before Julia beckoned us in. We shook hands with Jerome, Edgar and Emil. Siegfried Lindhorst and Peter Stoeferle were already seated. Edgar offered us seats which we took, and asked about us coming over from Ireland. I explained how I had met with them before in 1990 at 4 of the concerts. Initially my brother Sean sat with Edgar and spoke with him about the concert. We then swapped seats and I asked Edgar to sign some items for me. I had happened to bring enough items for three nights of signing and Siegfried and Peter joked about this at my expense! I divided the bundle of cd inlays in two and handed one half to Edgar. Even he joked about it and asked me not to shock him when I handed him the second batch, but then told me that 'I forgive you!'. Jerome signed the appropriate inlays too. Zlatko entered the room and I shook hands with him. Emil and Zlatko were friendly lads. They too enjoyed signing stuff. Mark and Sean took some photographs for posterity. I asked Jerome about a schedule for next year and whether or not they would be likely to be touring the States. He seemed uncertain but said there was a possibility that they might go there in March. Edgar asked us about which other concerts we were likely to be going to, and invited us to come backstage in Manchester where there would be a get-together of sorts. I thanked him for the invitation and explained that unfortunately we would not be able to go to the Manchester concert as we had to travel back due to work commitments. He joked about 'Sometimes it is necessary to have to work!'. After a while we decided to leave the band and said our goodbyes, explaining that we might see them again in Leeds and Birmingham. As we left the dressing room I spotted Monica Froese who I recognised from the time I met her in 1990. We made our way back downstairs to the stage door. Once outside, I told Craig and Grant how the band were in good humour and would probably be coming out soon. Armin Thiessen and his three pals turned up around this time and we had a short chat. They didn't hang around too long though... Siegfried and Peter emerged from the stage door and we continued talking. Five minutes later the tour coach pulled up once more so I knew the band were coming out and that Craig and Grant would have a chance to nab them! Sure enough, out they came and made their way in the direction of the coach before being greeted by the lads. It was good that they too had a chance to greet Edgar and company. I said farewell to Craig and Grant before heading off with Peter, Siegfried, Mark and Sean in the direction of our hotel. It turned out that Peter and Siegfried had found accommodation next door to ours. We talked for a while before arranging to meet them in Leeds at 5 pm the next day at the Town and Country Club. Sunday November 2nd: Destination Leeds Having got up early and had our breakfast we left Glasgow at 10.15 am heading south for Leeds. We stopped off for half an hour after Carlisle for a lunch break and a refuel, before continuing south. We reached our accommodation in Leeds in good time (around 3 pm). The venue was less than a five minute walk away. We left for the Town and Country Club after 4.30 pm. As we approached the last street leading up to the gig a certain coach drove past and we were able to follow its general direction up to the stage door area. Just as we got there Edgar and Jerome stepped off the coach and looked our way saying hello before going for a sound check. At this point Peter and Siegfried turned up and we decided we should go for a meal in advance of the concert. The five of us had a very pleasant meal chatting about all things TD-related and generally becoming good friends. Siegfried explained how they would have to leave relatively soon after the concert as they had to drive south to Antony Ainsworth's house where they would get a few hours sleep, before getting up at 5 am to drive to Heathrow Airport to catch their planes home. Soon it was 7 pm and time to head for the concert. Once inside I asked about a guest-list before being handed a white envelope similar to the previous night. The gig was standing only (apart from two small balcony areas), but this had the advantage that it allowed mobility during the concert. 'Ambient Monkeys' was played as the pre-concert music. The running order of the tracks performed proved identical to the Glasgow concert, right down to the encores. In my opinion, the computer graphics did not work as well in Leeds as at Glasgow, as the projector was too close to the screen; they were even shining directly on the band's faces. At the interval as I spoke to Peter, Anja came up to him and spoke in German. He introduced me to her and she remembered me from Glasgow. Being right up at the front (and in the middle) allowed an excellent vantage point for the second set. The band were about six feet away and we could follow the band's movements - particularly that of Emil's percussion and Zlatko's guitar playing. The only drawbacks of the concert were the presence of a few intoxicated individuals at the front left who in their misguided enthusiasm persisted in shouting uninterpretable babblings at Edgar, and the presence of the idiot who decided to jump up on the stage, wave at the crowd and attempt to shake hands with Edgar before being swiftly removed by crew and bouncers. There seemed to be a smaller than expected crowd and later one of the house staff told me that there were only 420 tickets sold. Pity, it was a good concert. Backstage, Siegfried and Peter said their goodbyes as they had to set off on their return journey. I went upstairs to chat with Stuart Hobday to thank him for his co-operation. I returned shortly to find Mark and Sean on their own waiting for me. They told me that two fans (only) were in with the band. I led the way to where the dressing rooms were. Julia Snyder sat in the first room we met and she told us to go on down the corridor to the next room, which we did. I poked my head in the door, said hello and explained that we were not staying and that we just wanted to say hello and goodbye. Edgar said 'Come in, you would like a beer?' pointing to some beers held in ice. I said 'No thanks! Its ok!' (as I don't drink beer). Edgar wasn't having this though and pointing to my brother Sean jokingly said 'He looks like he would like a beer!' Needless to say Sean took him up on the offer and we entered the small room and began chatting. Jerome, Emil, Zlatko, Monica, Anja and a German couple were all present. I seized the opportunity to ask Edgar about something I had puzzled over for the last few years. I asked if he knew anything about Linda Spa playing as part of the Austrian entry in the Eurovision Song Contest which took place in Dublin in '95. He said that this was correct and that she was asked to play by some people in Austria. So folks, it was Linda! Anybody still got this on video tape? I think I still have it somewhere. I asked Edgar about the new track played at the end of the second set. He explained that it is Time Square from 'Dream Mixes II'. Sean talked at length to Emil about his energetic performances. Emil explained to him how he enjoys playing percussion and that he could go for a few months playing live and that this tour is too short for his liking! I spoke to Jerome about the computer graphics accompanying the show. He explained that they are done by a Japanese animist and that the music for the video project has been finished in Berlin hopefully to be released in '98. We talked about the graphics at last year's Shepherd's Bush gig. Jerome told me that most of the footage is on The Video Dream Mixes. I explained the difficulty I had experienced in trying to order it and how after a year and a half of trying to order it I still did not have it! He shook his head in dismay and said 'This video! So many problems!'. Having had a second successful evening we once more said goodbye to the Tangerine Dream entourage and began to make our way back to our accommodation very content. Before exiting the building, I spoke briefly to Rob Ayling of TDI who thanked me for taking the trouble of coming over for the three concerts. Monday November 3rd: Destination Birmingham With two concerts down and one to go we prepared ourselves for the day with a tasty continental breakfast at our hotel. We had a look round Leeds before setting off for Birmingham at 11.30 am. By 2 pm we reached our next B+B in good time. It seemed like a good idea to head into the city centre for a browse of the shops and of the venue. We did some shopping before heading to Symphony Hall to get our bearings and our after-show passes courtesy of Stuart Hobday who we met there. On our return journey to our accommodation, rush hour traffic combined with necessary tricky lane-switching manoeuvres (which didn't always go to plan) meant that it was well after 6 pm by the time we got back. Time for a quick freshen-up before leaving to go to Symphony Hall. A lucky encounter with a bus going our way allowed us to get to the gig with ten minutes to spare. As we went to go upstairs to our seats I recognised Antony Ainsworth in the queue waiting to buy merchandise. I spoke with him briefly. He told me that Siegfried and Peter had stayed with him the night before and had got up early to head off to get their flights. I was glad that things had gone according to plan for them. We had seats in the right hand side of the circle which meant that we were about 20 feet above overlooking the stage. Symphony Hall is a beautiful purpose-built venue - much nicer than Leeds, Shepherd's Bush, or Manchester Apollo for that matter. The acoustics are very good as one might expect from a venue that hosts an orchestra on a regular basis. Once again the concert was identical to the previous two nights. At the interval we went to the cafe to grab a bite to eat. On our way back I visited the merchandise stall to purchase a few items for some friends. Anja recognised me and we chatted a little. I could hear Emil's drum solo starting so I returned to the circle. I moved right up to the very front seat overlooking the stage as the seats there had been unoccupied during the first set. I was actually far enough forward to be in behind the main speakers beneath me so that the sound I could hear was coming manily from the stage monitors. The computer graphics were even better than in Glasgow and worked extremely well. Towards The Evening Star finished the show. Afterwards we went backstage for the last time. The attendant at the appropriate doorway used his mobile to contact Julia on our behalf. Very soon she appeared and greeted us with a big smile. 'Is this your last night??!!' she asked jokingly. 'Yes, it is' I joked back. We followed her into one of the lifts. She asked us which of the three concerts did we prefer? Sean and Mark enjoyed Glasgow the best while I enjoyed all three!! Once out of the lift we could see Edgar standing in the corridor. Julia beckoned us over and Edgar extended his right hand through the doorway. We said hello and went in to the room. Julia and Edgar followed and closed the door. There was a piano in the room so I tried to lift the lid off the keys but unfortunately it was locked. Edgar also asked us if this was our last concert to which we assured him it was. We talked about the possibility of Edgar coming to Ireland, to which he recalled being in Dublin and Cork in the early '80s. I clarified that if he ever wanted to holiday there that he would be very welcome to visit us. He said that perhaps someday he might! He then got up from his seat and apologised for the fact that he had some things to take care of, so we thanked him for meeting us each night and shook hands. We left the room and Julia escorted us back to the lift. I thanked her very much for letting us back-stage and shook hands until next time. I asked the attendant if I could speak with Stuart, so he kindly got on the mobile for me. Stuart came downstairs and we had a fairwell chat. He introduced me to Rob Harris of Voiceprint. Just as we were about to leave, Zlatko and Emil appeared and it was slightly amusing because they recognised us and they shook hands with us (rather than vice-versa). They too were now leaving the building (via the front door). We chatted with them on the way out, wishing them luck on the rest of the tour, and of course inviting them to Ireland! I was surprised by the lack in numbers of lingering fans. Are we too shy to hang around? Surely not. I was glad to be able to meet the band after the shows for the simple reason that very few others were making a similar effort, and in a way we were able to represent all fans. Similarly that is why I have written this account, so that other fans can share some of the events which took place. Next morning we set off for home. Our return sailing was at 6.30 pm which allowed ample time to get back to Stranraer. After our return to Belfast, Sean and I said farewell to Mark before driving on to Derry. Sean and I had driven over 920 miles. Hopefully some of you will enjoy this record of events, I certainly enjoyed preparing it. I must sincerely thank the following for this successful Tangerine Dream experience: Julia Snyder, Stuart Hobday, Edgar Froese, Jerome Froese, Emil Hachfeld, Zlatko Perica, Anja Kathmann, Monica Froese, Peter Stoeferle and Siegfried Lindhorst. Cheers! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8960 Re: 1997 UK Tour - An Account by Conrad Gibbons o Dave Brewer Fri 11/21/1997 3 KB 9021 Re: 1997 UK Tour - An Account by Conrad Gibbons o dn3 Mon 11/24/1997 4 KB 9137 Re: 1997 UK Tour - An Account by Conrad Gibbons o Gibbons, Conrad Mon 11/24/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 6:44 pm Subject: Re: tour cds/The Keep special edition ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Lars wrote: >... the Keep pre-release CDs were sold out and I wouldn't expect them > to appear at voiceprint at all... count yourself lucky if you can find one > at ANY price! You'll be best to wait for the regular Keep release [...] I´ve noticed that this TDI010CD is a special edition but I´m wondering if it´s a limited one since their is no hint to find. Does 'pre-sales' mean that the other CDs will be different ? With a different cover ? With one extra or different track like some other TDI releases ? :-( If so, what the hell is Edgar doing ? I don´t wanna buy two different releases although I like the music of the special edition very much. (sorry, Vic) I´ll buy an AirSculpture CD instead. JTJFJ. Jens ---------- I bet 'Special Edition' most likely refers to the Keep's packaging. When it gets here to the states, it will, for practical reasons, come in a jewel case.. so we miss out on the playdough CD holder. I think it would be a bit beyond expensive to mass produce the 'Special Edition' packaging for world distribution. Maybe this isn't so, any other ideas on what the 'Standard Version' of The Keep will be, and how much different it will be from the other version? Maybe Edgar is continually waiting/negociating in hopes of getting access to more Keep tracks before its official release. Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8961 Re: tour cds/The Keep special edition Dave Brewer Fri 11/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 7:42 pm Subject: RE: 1997 UK Tour - An account of 3 concerts by Conrad Gibbons ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Thanks for the narrative Conrad, I enjoyed it. No one has posted a setlist from the UK tour, have they? Based on Conrad's report, this is what I have: Waterborne Betrayal Poland Sundance Kid Silver Scale Warsaw In the Sun Stratosfear '95 Dolphin Dance Streethawk Beach Theme drum solo Flashflood 220 Volt Firetongues is a Two Bunch Palms Little Blond In The Park Of Attractions Rising Haul In Silence Lamb With Radar Eyes Touchwood Timsquare Maedchen On the Stairs Thief Yang And The Tangram Seal Towards The Evening Star I'm trying to compile this info for my book, so if anyone has any additions or corrections, please let me know. Any tapes extant of the UK tour? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 7:56 pm Subject: Re: 1997 UK Tour - An Account by Conrad Gibbons of 3 Concerts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer Thank you Conrad, for your very interesting account! I really enjoy reading stuff like this, especially when I couldn't make it to the shows myself. I remember reading and enjoying similar accounts in the Tangible Dream back around 1990. I think you were resposible for some of those as well. I'd love the opportunity to see TD at more than one show at their next NA tour, it sounds like fun! But the combination of school and work, and a lack of serious money would make it hard... Especially if they're coming this spring! (my last semester, hopefully!) Again, thank you for the account. I'll be saving it in a file for future enjoyment! :-) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 8:06 pm Subject: Re: tour cds/The Keep special edition ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: 'Greg Heil' > > I bet 'Special Edition' most likely refers to the Keep's packaging. When it > gets here > to the states, it will, for practical reasons, come in a jewel case.. so we > miss out on the playdough CD holder. I think it would be a bit beyond > expensive to mass produce > the 'Special Edition' packaging for world distribution. I hope you're right. I don't know about anyone else, but I HATE the cardboard packaging of full-length CDs. And I think the idea of the rubber hub for the disc sounds rather stupid. The CD will long outlive the packaging. Give me the good old-fashioned jewel cases anyday. They're tried and true, and last a long time (unless they're brutally attacked by the postal service!). I guess those cardboard cases aren't as bad as the slip cases (like for the earlier Miramar singles and the Shepherds Bush single). It seems like those things are designed only to scratch up the discs! Dayv Bru'r From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 6:58 pm Subject: Re: The Man Inside Offer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: Vic Rek > > I can get 'The Man Inside' original CD, but I'm not sure of the price yet. > I'm taking offers, and I hate to inform you, but this CD will probably be > over $80. > Ouch! I want this soundtrack, but not THAT badly! I'm hoping that someone will reissiue it sometime in the near future, so that I don't have to donate my body to science fiction to cover the cost! :-) Will it be Silva Screen? Or maybe One Way? Or Virgin?... Somebody?? Dave B. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 9:20 pm Subject: Re: Are Ozric Tentacles worth seeing live from a TD-fan's point of vi ew? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' > > > Off topic slightly, but... > > Ozric Tentacles play Belfast on Fri Nov. 28th. Has anyone seen them on > this tour/recently? How do they compare to TD's live performance? > Would it be mainly instrumental? Should I go? Would you go? > > Regards, > > Conrad Gibbons Well, if you are looking to see live musicians really play, then yes it is much more worth going to than a TD show. Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 10:21 pm Subject: Re: The Man Inside Offer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Dave Brewer > > > Quoted From: Vic Rek > > > > I can get 'The Man Inside' original CD, but I'm not sure of the price yet. > > I'm taking offers, and I hate to inform you, but this CD will probably be > > over $80. > > > Ouch! I want this soundtrack, but not THAT badly! I'm hoping that someone > will reissiue it sometime in the near future, so that I don't have to > donate my body to science fiction to cover the cost! :-) Will it be Silva > Screen? Or maybe One Way? Or Virgin?... Somebody?? > > Dave B. Sadly, I doubt anyone will reissue this OST because of it's unpopularity and the fact that is was a video release instead of theatrical. In any case, if anyone doesn't have this OST and is dying to get one for listening pleasure (at a cost FAR less than $80, email me for more info. Dan the 'I noticed Man Inside had a track on it that was on Tangents...which is LAME' man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Are Ozric Tentacles worth seeing live from a T ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Are Ozric Tentacles worth seeing live from a TD-fan's point of view? >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:12:47 -0000 >Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' > >Ozric Tentacles play Belfast on Fri Nov. 28th. [. . .] How do they >compare to TD's live performance? Well, they don't just twiddle knobs and fake playing instruments, if that's what you mean. There is lots of guitar playing and knob twiddling and occasionally one guy plays a flute, but the music is generally more hyper than on their studio albums. >Would it be mainly instrumental? Should I go? Would you go? Mainly instrumental. I saw them about five years ago. It was great. -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 10:01 pm Subject: Re: The Man Inside Offer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >What do you mean by 'original CD'? Is this a label rarity related issue? >Or do you imply that any 'L'affaire Walraf' CD is already worth a bundle? Sorry for the mis-leading statement. There is only one release of this CD, so the 'original' is redundant. So this 'L'affaire Walraf' CD might be worth something these days. I guess I'll find out the current street value soon. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Kraftwerk sample in 'Jungle Jacula' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman There is sample of a Kraftwerk track at the beginning and end of the second track on TIMESQUARE, 'Jungle Jacula.' I can't quite place it. I *think* it's from the RALF AND FLORIAN album. It's got a flute- like sound. Anyone know? This isn't the first time TD's imitated Kraftwerk. The other time is on the SORCERER soundtrack. I think it's 'Mountain Road' that has the melody and/or synth setting. -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8969 Re: Kraftwerk sample in 'Jungle Jacula' Gabe Yedid Sat 11/22/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 10:42 pm Subject: Re: The Man Inside Offer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:43 AM 11/21/1997 -0500, Vic wrote: > >I can get 'The Man Inside' original CD, but I'm not sure of the price yet. >I'm taking offers, and I hate to inform you, but this CD will probably be >over $80. > >Please don't complain about the price to me, I'm just the messenger. > While I will never pay this kind of cash for a CD, it does not seem to be unusually expensive. Schmoelling's 'Zoo of Tranquility' seems to be selling for about $68, while the rare fan club release of 'Quinoa,' goes for about 85 bucks. These, at SMD. Oh, before I forget, these CD are second-hand. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Nov 21, 1997 11:02 pm Subject: Re: Kraftwerk sample in 'Jungle Jacula' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > There is sample of a Kraftwerk track at the beginning and end of > the second track on TIMESQUARE, 'Jungle Jacula.' I can't quite place > it. I *think* it's from the RALF AND FLORIAN album. It's got a flute- > like sound. Anyone know? > This isn't the first time TD's imitated Kraftwerk. The other time > is on the SORCERER soundtrack. I think it's 'Mountain Road' that has > the melody and/or synth setting. Hmmm, so that's why it sounds so unusual for that time period... The only other TD canon track I can think of that comes anywhere close to 'Mountain Road' in style is 'Santa Elena Marisal' from _BtS_. But I would have thought that 'Impressions of Sorcerer'--later reborn as 'Graffiti Street' IMO-- was more evidently discoesque than 'Mountain Road'... anyhow, it would thus seem that Jerome does NOT share his father's opinions about sampling. And Ralf Hutter *has* admitted to being influenced by TD. while we're at it, how about the opening chords of 'Melrose'? > -- Steven Feldman Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 3:59 pm Subject: Re: Zoo Of Tranqility Theta ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > While I will never pay this kind of cash for a CD, it does not > seem to be unusually expensive. Schmoelling's 'Zoo of > Tranquility' seems to be selling for about $68, while the rare > fan club release of 'Quinoa,' goes for about 85 bucks. These, at > SMD. Oh, before I forget, these CD are second-hand. > > Andrew > I have a spare of Zoo of Tranquility Theta CD available for swap. In case anybody is interested Jeffrey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 22, 1997 1:47 am Subject: Re: Live In N.A.? Wishful Thinking... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-11-21 16:46:12 EST, you write: << I tried to get Cluster to play Cleveland last summer (Hey, they'd played Boisie, why not Cleveland?) even booking a venue (across the street from me), lodging (my house), and transport (my van) but for some reason they bowed out. >> YOU DESERVE A STANDING OVATION.... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 22, 1997 4:24 am Subject: Re: TD tour fund ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 97-11-21 20:08:50 EST, you write: << I'd pitch in a few $ to such a fund, on the condition that they play at Burning Man. >> No, no, Pete, no conditions. All for one and one for all. If we can get TD over here anywhere at all, we should be happy for those who can go wherever it is. I said before, the cities would probably have to be centrally located to the most fans to ensure the most commercial success. Without commercial success, we don't have a hope of enticing any further gigs. Besides, what the heck is Burning Man? Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9038 Re: TD tour fund Michael Fox Mon 11/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 22, 1997 4:41 am Subject: VA - Funfundvierzig ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek For those completists hiding in the corners... I guess I have to provide this information, no matter how much it may hurt! VA (Various Artists) - 10 Jahre Funfundvierzig - Germany Funfundvierzig 45, 1994 This is a sampler of various bands from this German label (the first u is an umlat). This is a very cool looking sampler. A blue white city scape on the cover and colorful flowers on the inside and on the picture disc. Many bands on this sampler have a reggae influence with a combination of techno, but that's not really a fair evaluation. Just a bunch of cool stuff assembled to make it sound like an album... The last track (of 15) titled 'Animato' is by Conrad Schnitzler + Thomasius and is 3:25 long. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 22, 1997 4:41 am Subject: Shepard's Bush - Let's move on!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek For you new list members, there was a 'tree' established to distribute the 1996 Shepard's Bush concert to any interested list members. This was to be a simple exchange with NOBODY making any profit - just for the fans. It looks like our North American tree trunk got held up by Mark Filipak (a past avid participant on this list) for various personal reasons. Since it seems that Mark is unable to fulfill his commitments, then I strongly recommend that we move on with someone else filling the spot. I have contacted Mark personally and spoken to him about this, even volunteered for him. He said he will still do it - that was two months ago - and no word! Enough is enough! Mark, I'm sure you'll read this (and don't take it as an insult) but we must move on! So somebody send me the tapes (CD-R preferred), and I'll fill his spot in the tree and everybody will have this soon. Francisco where are you? Time to get to work... Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8980 Re: Shepard's Bush - Let's move on!!! AOutland@a... Sun 11/23/1997 3 KB 9011 Re: Shepard's Bush - Let's move on!!! TangerineC@a... Mon 11/24/1997 2 KB 9041 Re: Shepard's Bush - Let's move on!!! Michael Fox Mon 11/24/1997 2 KB 9077 Re: Shepard's Bush - Let's move on!!! Francisco Salgado C. Wed 11/26/1997 4 KB 9078 Re: Shepard's Bush - Let's move on!!! Florine Epure Wed 11/26/1997 3 KB 9095 Re: Shepard's Bush - Let's move on!!! Michael Fox Wed 11/26/1997 3 KB 9096 Re: Shepard's Bush - Let's move on!!! Francisco Salgado C. Thu 11/27/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 22, 1997 4:59 pm Subject: tour cds ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Just a quick followup to our discussion the other day. I e-mailed voiceprint and this was the response I got: In message <199711211030_MC2-2907-D03C@c...>, 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> writes >Hi Anne Marie >Have you heard anything about the availability of the TD tour merchandise? >(the 2 posters, the ambient monkeys CD, the Timesquare CD, and The Keep >pre-release CD?) you had previously told me that they had been sold out >but that you would check and get back to me. > They are out for official release in the New Year! so, it looks like the situation is bleak for ANY pre-release / tour stuff. everyone will have to wait until after jan 1... lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 22, 1997 5:23 pm Subject: Re: 'V' + 666 = AntiChrist? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) I bought this (See You Later) on vinyl many years ago. I have most of Vangelis' catalog and this is one of only three that I do not like (along with the unlistenable Invisible Connections and the odd Beaubourg). Larry >feedback on >that title? > >Elias > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Kraftwerk and 'Mountain Road' (SORCERER) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Kraftwerk sample in 'Jungle Jacula' >Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:02:17 -0500 (EST) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > >The only other TD canon track I can think of that comes anywhere close to >'Mountain Road' in style is 'Santa Elena Marisal' from _BtS_. > >But I would have thought that 'Impressions of Sorcerer'--later reborn as >'Graffiti Street' IMO-- was more evidently discoesque than 'Mountain Road'... Whoah. Hold on. When I compared 'Mountain Road' to Kraftwerk, I in no way meant to imply anything about disco. While I like a lot of late 70's disco (especially that of Giorgio Moroder and Simon Sousson), pre- RADIOACTIVITY Kraftwerk is *not* disco-esque--and it was the stuff from before RADIOACTIVITY (1975) that I was referring to, particularly, AUTOBAHN (1973) and RALF AND FLORIAN (1974). -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8983 Re: Kraftwerk and 'Mountain Road' (SORCERER) Gabe Yedid Sun 11/23/1997 3 KB 9001 Re: Kraftwerk and 'Mountain Road' (SORCERER) Hermes Guzman Mon 11/24/1997 3 KB 9004 Re: Kraftwerk and 'Mountain Road' (SORCERER) Gabe Yedid Mon 11/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: THE KEEP Article in a Future VIDEO WATCHDOG Issue? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: TD / MARRILLIAN TOUR >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:55:28 -0500 >Really-From: KRAUSENECKS > > On another Keep note, the popular fan mag VIDEO WATCHDOG has had >articles on the various versions of LEGEND in a past article, and they >keep reporting to have a similiar article on THE KEEP soon. If they do >I'll certinly post it. [. . .] Gee, great minds think alike: Thursday night, it dawned on me to write to VIDEO WATCHDOG to request their doing an article on THE KEEP, but when I talked to Lars on Friday, he said that someone said that VW had just done a review on LEGEND and was planning one on THE KEEP. So, I brought up VIDEO WATCHDOG's webpage and did a search on articles on LEGEND and THE KEEP, but found nada. Then, I e-mailed VW to ask if they'd thought about doing anything on THE KEEP, and the magazine's editor e-mailed me back, saying that he personally didn't know anything about the film other than having seen it once in its first release. So, what I'd like to know is, when and where did VW mention a planned KEEP article? I seldom buy the magazine/digest, so I was wholly unaware that the film had ever been mentioned in there (even though virtually every genre film does, sooner or later, it seems). VIDEO WATCHDOG has an 800 number (800-275-8395), so I *could* call Lucas up, I suppose, to tell him about what I know about the film's variants and rumors of more. Perhaps Dano's KEEP-collector friend would like to attempt an article on the various versions of the film using the videotape copies he has in his collection??? Dano? Anyways, below is a copy of the e-mail the editor of VW sent me: -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:38:56 -0500 (EST) From: VIDEOWD@a... Message-ID: <971122133856_1660025334@m...> To: AR402004@b... Subject: Re: 9 Diff. Vers. of THE KEEP?! Steven -- I don't know anything about THE KEEP (I saw it once, when it was new), so whether we did an article or not would depend entirely on whether a good writer approached me with an article that I liked. Thanks for the suggestion. Tim Lucas VIDEO WATCHDOG Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8979 Re: THE KEEP Article in a Future VIDEO WATCHDOG I Steven Feldman Sun 11/23/1997 7 KB 8984 Re: THE KEEP Article in a Future VIDEO WATCHDOG I DJS Sun 11/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 22, 1997 9:27 pm Subject: RE: THE KEEP Article in a Future VIDEO WATCHDOG Issue? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Hi Gang, AHA , Mr. Feldman's keep -restless mind again stirs. On the subject of the Keep article in Video Watchdog, I gotta go thru my old articles( I have em all) and find out where I read it. The Legend article was a few issues back , and I copied it and sent it out to Lars, so maybe if the consensus is favorable it may end up here. I'm VERY SURPRISED that Mr. Tim Lucas had only seen it once. On the other hand he did'nt write the Legend article, it was submitted, so maybe the same author may do one.Anyway, I am sure I read it in there so.......perhaps this Keep vampire is playing mind tricks, EH? On another Keep note, I saw the film in it's initial release, having read the novel and remember being blown away, but disappointed in regards to the novel/film diffferences. Maybe seeing it at the drive-in (remember those?) had something to do with it. I do remember also seeing a making of special , and had a Fangoria with a few color stills(it was also on the cover). As far as the soundtrack goes, I too saw the LP at my local Harmony House record store. I had bought the Thief ST there and had it on my list of albums to get-alas never did. Now it is gone( as well as the symphonic score to HEAVY METAL that I never got either-DANO hint's?) and I may never see it. Chris ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Saturday, November 22, 1997 2:53 PM To: tadream@c... Subject: THE KEEP Article in a Future VIDEO WATCHDOG Issue? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: TD / MARRILLIAN TOUR >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:55:28 -0500 >Really-From: KRAUSENECKS > > On another Keep note, the popular fan mag VIDEO WATCHDOG has had >articles on the various versions of LEGEND in a past article, and they >keep reporting to have a similiar article on THE KEEP soon. If they do >I'll certinly post it. [. . .] Gee, great minds think alike: Thursday night, it dawned on me to write to VIDEO WATCHDOG to request their doing an article on THE KEEP, but when I talked to Lars on Friday, he said that someone said that VW had just done a review on LEGEND and was planning one on THE KEEP. So, I brought up VIDEO WATCHDOG's webpage and did a search on articles on LEGEND and THE KEEP, but found nada. Then, I e-mailed VW to ask if they'd thought about doing anything on THE KEEP, and the magazine's editor e-mailed me back, saying that he personally didn't know anything about the film other than having seen it once in its first release. So, what I'd like to know is, when and where did VW mention a planned KEEP article? I seldom buy the magazine/digest, so I was wholly unaware that the film had ever been mentioned in there (even though virtually every genre film does, sooner or later, it seems). VIDEO WATCHDOG has an 800 number (800-275-8395), so I *could* call Lucas up, I suppose, to tell him about what I know about the film's variants and rumors of more. Perhaps Dano's KEEP-collector friend would like to attempt an article on the various versions of the film using the videotape copies he has in his collection??? Dano? Anyways, below is a copy of the e-mail the editor of VW sent me: -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:38:56 -0500 (EST) From: VIDEOWD@a... Message-ID: <971122133856_1660025334@m...> To: AR402004@b... Subject: Re: 9 Diff. Vers. of THE KEEP?! Steven -- I don't know anything about THE KEEP (I saw it once, when it was new), so whether we did an article or not would depend entirely on whether a good writer approached me with an article that I liked. Thanks for the suggestion. Tim Lucas VIDEO WATCHDOG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Nov 22, 1997 11:55 pm Subject: Re: Shepard's Bush - Let's move on!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 97-11-22 11:55:18 EST, you write: << ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek For you new list members, there was a 'tree' established to distribute the 1996 Shepard's Bush concert to any interested list members. This was to be a simple exchange with NOBODY making any profit - just for the fans. >> I would like to be included in this tree. Please? Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 23, 1997 1:38 am Subject: TD stuff for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: JOHN BUREK <72241.2313@c...> Hello folks, Cleaning house today....came across a few goodies lying around taking up space. Email *privately* if interested in any of the items below. John 72241.2313@c... ------------------------------------------------------- First item up for bids: Two TD posters. Neither has ever been hung and both are in fine shape. $20 for both (postpaid in the USA, postage extra elsewhere) or best offer--selling only as a pair. I'll mail them in a sturdy mailing tube. 1) a very-large-format black and white photostat (approximately 2 feet by 4 feet) of a concert poster from the Brussels Vrije Universiteit November 8, 1982 concert, with the familiar Froese/Franke/Baumann (!!) heads from the cover of 70/80. Nice quality, unfolded, though there's a very faint line in the image where the original poster must have been folded. Still nice. 2) The Miramar tour poster from the Rockoon 1992 tour--black-and-white on glossy paper, with a big pic of Froese/Froese/Spa/Perica/Krieger (the last of whom didn't play the tour at all) and two Miramar album covers. Cost about $12 from Miramar back in '93. Not folded, mint. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Two Chris Franke posters: 1) Full size (appx. 2x3 feet) Virgin Germany promo poster for Franke's 'Pacific Coast Highway' album (folded in four). Full color, features an immense blow-up of the PCH 'collage' cover. 2) Full size (~2x3 feet) Sonic Images promo poster for 'The London concert'. Folded in four, full color, features the 'bird silhouette' cover. Neither poster has ever been hung and both are in excellent shape. Price: $12 (plus postage to wherever you are) or best offer--selling only as a pair. I'll mail them flat. Reasonable swap offers will also be considered. ------------------------------------------------------- Next item: Peter Baumann 'Strangers in the Night' promo LP (not the promo 12', the full-length, 10-track LP on CBS/Portrait, with a gold promo stamp on the rear). $6 (plus postage to wherever you are) or best offer. Used; slight wear on front cover; LP itself looks A-OK. Never released on CD as far as I know (is that right?).Reasonable swap offers will also be considered. ------------------------------------------------------- Next item: TD Force Majeure (USA) CD, on Virgin USA (not the SBM edition). $6 plus postage to wherever you are, or best offer.Reasonable swap offers will also be considered. ------------------------------------------------------- Next item: Three dubbed videos, all left over from a swap that never happened.... 1) Dubbed video of TD at Werner-Seelenbinder East Berlin, 20 Feb.1990. 79 minutes long, NTSC video on a TDK tape. It's a fan video, shot with a camcorder from the audience. Original must have been PAL and was transferred to NTSC somewhere along the line. Watchable/average quality (by no means excellent); generation from original unknown. Left over from a trade that never happened. Pretty good concert--lots of stuff from Lily on the Beach and Destination Berlin, but also some unreleased music. 2) Dubbed video of TD at Baltimore 15 Oct 1992. About 80-90 minutes long, NTSC video on a TDK tape. It's a fan video, shot with a camcorder from the audience. Some pretty inept camerawork, especially in the first 20-30min. Decent but by no means excellent quality; 2nd generation copy. Also left over from a trade that never happened. 3) Dubbed video of TD at Los Angeles 30 Oct. 92. About 110 minutes long, NTSC video on a TDK tape. Fan video, shot with a camcorder from a balcony. Pretty good quality; 2nd generation from original. Better camerawork than on the Baltimore tape. Once again, left over from a trade that never happened. *Each* video is $10 (plus postage to you) or best offer. If lots of people want them, perhaps I'll dig out the originals and make a few more, within reason.Reasonable swap offers will also be considered (preferred, really, in this case). ------------------------------------------------------------------ Last item: Used videotape of 'The Soldier' (soundtrack by TD); shrink-wrapped but marked 'Previously Viewed', and the sleeve shows moderate wear. $6 (plus postage) or best offer.Reasonable swap offers will also be considered. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8987 Re: TD stuff for sale Claude Roy Sun 11/23/1997 7 KB 8991 Re: TD stuff for sale feldon@p... Sun 11/23/1997 3 KB 8995 Re: TD stuff for sale Claude Roy Mon 11/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 23, 1997 4:44 am Subject: so, just who is Sylvester Levay? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid I had the opportunity to hear the ST for 'Three O'Clock High' for the first time this week. While I was expecting a mess of different styles here, I must say that this Sylvester Levay chap, whoever he is, did a fairly creditable job of aping the general sound and style of TD at this time. His contributions to the soundtrack fit in quite well with TD's own. Is this his particular 'talent'--to finish soundtracks which have been partially done by better-known artists, in the same style? Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8986 Re: so, just who is Sylvester Levay? Jim Moore Sun 11/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 23, 1997 4:50 am Subject: Re: Kraftwerk and 'Mountain Road' (SORCERER) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > > Whoah. Hold on. When I compared 'Mountain Road' to Kraftwerk, I in > no way meant to imply anything about disco. While I like a lot of late > 70's disco (especially that of Giorgio Moroder and Simon Sousson), pre- > RADIOACTIVITY Kraftwerk is *not* disco-esque--and it was the stuff from > before RADIOACTIVITY (1975) that I was referring to, particularly, > AUTOBAHN (1973) and RALF AND FLORIAN (1974). Well you didn't originally specify which era of Kraftwerk you meant. Anyhow, I've not heard _Ralf and Florian_, but a pre-disco-KW flute bit that sounds out in my mind is the intro from 'Morgenspaziergang', off _Autobahn_. Could that be it, or is the 'Jungle Jacula' sample definitely NOT off _Autobahn_? > -- Steven Feldman Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 23, 1997 6:13 am Subject: Re: THE KEEP Article in a Future VIDEO WATCHDOG Issue? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > VIDEO WATCHDOG has an 800 number (800-275-8395), so I *could* call > Lucas up, I suppose, to tell him about what I know about the film's > variants and rumors of more. > Perhaps Dano's KEEP-collector friend would like to attempt an > article on the various versions of the film using the videotape copies > he has in his collection??? Dano? I'll try to get these copies in my hands or the info you need. My buddy lives 7 hours away & he's not to easy to get ahold of. Not to mention, if everyone knew how busy I was you'd be amazed I even reply on this list. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 23, 1997 7:08 am Subject: RE: Sylvester Levay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 23, 1997 2:36 pm Subject: RE: so, just who is Sylvester Levay? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jim Moore > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > While I was expecting a mess of different styles > here, I must say that this Sylvester Levay chap, whoever he is, did a > fairly creditable job of aping the general sound and style of TD at this > time. His contributions to the soundtrack fit in quite well with TD's own. In case no one knows, Levay was also responsible for the soundtrack to the series 'Airwolfe' (a helicopter version of 'Streethawk', if you will). He started off the series with a more orchestral sound, but after a while he switched back to more electronic music. The only other score that I know of from Levay is maybe the 'Hot Shots' soundtracks.... - jimbo 'I object to all this sex on the television... I keep falling off!' -- Graham Chapman 'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia --------------> http://www.vivid.net/~jimbo/ <------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 23, 1997 4:47 pm Subject: Re: TD stuff for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Claude Roy' Hi John, I'm interested in the videos of 1992 (25$) and the 1982 TD poster (40$), please let me know if available. if not 1990 werner concert for 25$. -----Original Message----- From: tadream mailing list To: tadream@c... Date: 22 novembre, 1997 20:55 Subject: TD stuff for sale >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: JOHN BUREK <72241.2313@c...> > > >Hello folks, > >Cleaning house today....came across a few goodies lying around taking up >space. Email *privately* if interested in any of the items below. > >John >72241.2313@c... >------------------------------------------------------- >First item up for bids: > >Two TD posters. Neither has ever been hung and both are in fine shape. >$20 for both (postpaid in the USA, postage extra elsewhere) or best >offer--selling only as a pair. I'll mail them in a sturdy mailing tube. > >1) a very-large-format black and white photostat (approximately 2 feet by >4 feet) of a concert poster from the Brussels Vrije Universiteit November >8, 1982 concert, with the familiar Froese/Franke/Baumann (!!) heads from >the cover of 70/80. Nice quality, unfolded, though there's a very faint >line in the image where the original poster must have been folded. Still >nice. > >2) The Miramar tour poster from the Rockoon 1992 tour--black-and-white on >glossy paper, with a big pic of Froese/Froese/Spa/Perica/Krieger (the >last of whom didn't play the tour at all) and two Miramar album covers. >Cost about $12 from Miramar back in '93. Not folded, mint. >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Two Chris Franke posters: > >1) Full size (appx. 2x3 feet) Virgin Germany promo poster for Franke's >'Pacific Coast Highway' album (folded in four). Full color, features an >immense blow-up of the PCH 'collage' cover. > >2) Full size (~2x3 feet) Sonic Images promo poster for 'The London >concert'. Folded in four, full color, features the 'bird silhouette' >cover. > >Neither poster has ever been hung and both are in excellent shape. Price: >$12 (plus postage to wherever you are) or best offer--selling only as a >pair. I'll mail them flat. Reasonable swap offers will also be considered. >------------------------------------------------------- >Next item: > >Peter Baumann 'Strangers in the Night' promo LP (not the promo 12', the >full-length, 10-track LP on CBS/Portrait, with a gold promo stamp on the >rear). $6 (plus postage to wherever you are) or best offer. Used; slight >wear on front cover; LP itself looks A-OK. Never released on CD as far as >I know (is that right?).Reasonable swap offers will also be considered. >------------------------------------------------------- >Next item: > >TD Force Majeure (USA) CD, on Virgin USA (not the SBM edition). $6 plus >postage to wherever you are, or best offer.Reasonable swap offers will >also be considered. >------------------------------------------------------- >Next item: > >Three dubbed videos, all left over from a swap that never happened.... > >1) Dubbed video of TD at Werner-Seelenbinder East Berlin, 20 Feb.1990. 79 >minutes long, NTSC video on a TDK tape. It's a fan video, shot with a >camcorder from the audience. Original must have been PAL and was >transferred to NTSC somewhere along the line. > >Watchable/average quality (by no means excellent); generation from >original unknown. Left over from a trade that never happened. Pretty good >concert--lots of stuff from Lily on the Beach and Destination Berlin, but >also some unreleased music. > >2) Dubbed video of TD at Baltimore 15 Oct 1992. About 80-90 minutes long, >NTSC video on a TDK tape. It's a fan video, shot with a camcorder from >the audience. Some pretty inept camerawork, especially in the first >20-30min. > >Decent but by no means excellent quality; 2nd generation copy. Also left >over from a trade that never happened. > >3) Dubbed video of TD at Los Angeles 30 Oct. 92. About 110 minutes long, >NTSC video on a TDK tape. Fan video, shot with a camcorder from a balcony. > >Pretty good quality; 2nd generation from original. Better camerawork than >on the Baltimore tape. Once again, left over from a trade that never >happened. > >*Each* video is $10 (plus postage to you) or best offer. If lots of >people want them, perhaps I'll dig out the originals and make a few more, >within reason.Reasonable swap offers will also be considered (preferred, >really, in this case). >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Last item: > >Used videotape of 'The Soldier' (soundtrack by TD); shrink-wrapped but >marked 'Previously Viewed', and the sleeve shows moderate wear. > >$6 (plus postage) or best offer.Reasonable swap offers will also be >considered. >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8991 Re: TD stuff for sale feldon@p... Sun 11/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 23, 1997 5:58 pm Subject: Sylvester LeVay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' If you want to hear some early LeVay, check out the soundtrack to CAT PEOPLE. Other than the Moroder/Bowie 'Putting Out Fire' track, he did the rest of the soundtrack (if my memory serves correctly). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs@s... Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 23, 1997 7:39 pm Subject: jim and pablo, the music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> well, I put together a context-sensitive edit of the music from jim and pablo (with some dialogue where needed to preserve the integrity of the 3 important tracks) and it turned out to be a whole 10:30 (not counting my spacing between tracks)! or about $2.50/minute (by comparison, the Bush CD5 was about $1/minute) basically, there are 3 main tracks on this work (two of which play behind the dialogue) and several shorter cue/effect-like bits that run 10-20 seconds each. the three main tracks are: 1) 'Haus der Welt I&II' which is the intro and extro theme piece and seems to be the primary unreleased material on this disc (at least as far as I can tell) 2) A 'Barbakane' variation (especially about the first 3 minutes) that runs about 2 minutes in two appearances 3) an Alpha Centauri-Phaedra-Eno (Apollo)-like bit that runs about about 2 minutes in about two appearances; by this I mean that it reminds me a bit of Alpha Centauri (wahn without voice almost) but is as melodic as bits of Phaedra (or maybe rubycon) but really sounds like Eno (especially Apollo); it's the spacey-est most atmospheric thing I think they've done in about 20 years.... I definitely think there are some Eno samples in here so, in the context of our sampling discussion, it makes it quite interesting. additionally, the short bits contain 2-3 different unreleased segments that could be developed into nice pieces -- if it ever happens. so, in sum, we might say that there is really about 6-7 minutes of music here; maybe 2-3 of it is completely novel. so, over the space of 11 of these CDs, we might find enough material for 1 music-only CD... lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8990 Re: jim and pablo, the music Lars R. Jones Sun 11/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 23, 1997 8:17 pm Subject: Re: jim and pablo, the music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> 2) A 'Barbakane' variation (especially about the first 3 minutes) that runs about 2 minutes in two appearances 3) an Alpha Centauri-Phaedra-Eno (Apollo)-like bit that runs about about 2 minutes in about two appearances; by this I mean that it reminds me a bit of Alpha Centauri (wahn without voice almost) but is as melodic as bits of Phaedra (or maybe rubycon) but really sounds like Eno (especially Apollo); it's the spacey-est most atmospheric thing I think they've done in about 20 years.... I definitely think there are some Eno samples in here so, in the context of our sampling discussion, it makes it quite interesting. Odd how TD (Edgar actually) preaches not returning to the past and here is an example of showing this not to be totally true. Maybe Jerome got stuck with this one? Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 23, 1997 8:33 pm Subject: Re: TD stuff for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:47 AM 11/23/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Claude Roy' > > >Hi John, >I'm interested in the videos of 1992 (25$) and the 1982 TD poster (40$), >please let me know if available. if not 1990 werner concert for 25$. Uh oh, you sent this message to the list... guess you lost your chance... Just kidding. Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 23, 1997 8:58 pm Subject: Re: D: Beyond The Storm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... I think I know what you are getting at Mark. Sometimes I will put on a new age video, mute it, and put on a Tangerine Dream album instead. It will pretty much blend with the pictures going on. However, from the moment I heard Ricochet, the music came alive for me in daily life: the clinking of propane cylinders being unloaded from a truck, the slapping of chains on a flagpole, the blaring trumpet sound as you swing your car around a corner, etc. But I also create whole scenarios to certain songs which replay themselves in my mind like a movie, or at least a nature scene. You mentioned one: Bobcats in the Sun. I can see Momma cat dozing fitfully, stretched out in the sun near a tawny colored rock, almost hidden by the tall, ochre grasses. She keeps an eye on her two cubs which are tumbling down the slope, chasing each other and investigating curiously anything that moves. I agree that this is what we should be doing here; discussing the music, not slamming someone because their opinion is different. I don't often mention other musicians, but I think Aretha Franklin had the right idea. Respect is what we need. It was a joy to read your article. Thank you. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 23, 1997 9:35 pm Subject: Re : list name ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... >> Don't you think 'Logos' by its latin origin and meaning would be appropriate? > erm...picky-point here..'logos' is ancient Greek. Of course, you're right! I need some holidays... I received digest #108 & 109 AFTER #110... Did it happen to anyone else? Does the web postman need holidays too? Greetings Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 9:49 pm Subject: usubscribe tadream-digest ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'André' unubscribe tadream From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 23, 1997 10:32 pm Subject: Re: TD stuff for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Claude Roy' Oups sorry for this one !! I press the wrong button!! -----Original Message----- From: tadream mailing list To: tadream@c... Date: 23 novembre, 1997 15:48 Subject: Re: TD stuff for sale >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: feldon@p... > > >At 11:47 AM 11/23/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Really-From: 'Claude Roy' >> >> >>Hi John, >>I'm interested in the videos of 1992 (25$) and the 1982 TD poster (40$), >>please let me know if available. if not 1990 werner concert for 25$. > >Uh oh, you sent this message to the list... guess you lost your chance... > >Just kidding. > >Morgan >feldon@p... > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 23, 1997 10:55 pm Subject: Reims Cathedral concert questions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Hi, folks ! I´ve two question concerning the TD concert at the Reims Cathedral which took place in Reims, France, December the 13th in 1974. What other artists, musicians were playing there except Nico, who opened the concert ? Is it correct that it was released on a CD boot entitled 'Live! Improvised!' ? Thanks in advance Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8998 Re: Reims Cathedral concert questions feldon@p... Mon 11/24/1997 3 KB 9022 Re: Reims Cathedral concert questions Plumer, Scott Mon 11/24/1997 3 KB 9031 Re: Reims Cathedral concert questions Jens Peschke Tue 11/25/1997 3 KB 9044 Re: Reims Cathedral concert questions Plumer, Scott Tue 11/25/1997 3 KB 9047 Re: Reims Cathedral concert questions Vincent Goudreault Tue 11/25/1997 3 KB 9048 Re: Reims Cathedral concert questions Michael Richard Tue 11/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Nov 23, 1997 11:16 pm Subject: Re: CDs for Sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PhilPDX@a... Hi, Larry. The CD's I bought from you are still under wraps til Christmas. Oh, the torture! For whatever reason, I didn't ask you for the Boddy/Pickford disc Symbiont. You wouldn't perchance still have that one for sale for $7, would you? I'm sure it's long gone, just thought I'd ask. Phil Derby Portland, Oregon Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9003 Re: CDs for Sale Larry E Smith Mon 11/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 12:02 am Subject: Re: Reims Cathedral concert questions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:55 PM 11/23/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > >Hi, folks ! > >I´ve two question concerning the TD concert at the Reims Cathedral which >took place >in Reims, France, December the 13th in 1974. > >What other artists, musicians were playing there except Nico, who opened >the concert ? I didn't know there was an opener. >Is it correct that it was released on a CD boot entitled 'Live! >Improvised!' ? Yes, and it's got amazing quality considering how long ago the recording was made. It's 80 minutes, with (donning fireproof underwear), what I consider about 30 minutes of album-worthy material... The rest is noodling, but it's all interesting. Definately shows you Phaedra's and Rubycon's roots... Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 1:51 am Subject: D:Solo Week 24 - Nov. 24, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This week we would like to hear comments on: Paul Haslinger - any solo related releases ------------------------------------------ Please make subject heading 'D:Haslinger' when replying. Note: I will be a few days late in posting next weeks subject, so if you want to get a head start, the subject will be 'D:Hoenig'.